All right, we've got Hannah clock. So, we've got everybody on the board. Except. Janine who should be joining us after having just received the invitation. And Melinda is joining us as a guest. Thank you, as well as Francie. And to the board members, I want to say thank you for. Figuring out you were missing an invitation, putting things aside, rearranging your schedule and being here. Your commitment is just great. I appreciate it. So, we have taken that we have welcomed our guests. Do we have anybody that wants to make a comment right up in the beginning as public or. We can talk about new business. We're good. We can. Move on to. Last month's minutes. Does anybody have corrections or. Notations. I do. It looks like we double posted. Under old business to see an H or the same. We could probably eliminate one of them. Okay. Sheila. And then just one other, I have a question. Under reports Roman numeral four. On the first line, it says Janine reported that there was a discussion of. I don't know what that was supposed to be. I don't think we discussed higher. So maybe you could just check with her. Sheila and find out how that could be corrected. Yes, I can't do anything. It could be. I will talk to Janine. So otherwise. As corrected. I motion that we accept. The minutes from last month. I'll second. Thank you, Art. So now. We're moving on right along to item five old business. And we've got a presentation of the senior support services. Hi, that is myself and Melinda. Amy, I think was going to try to join us, but maybe she's not able to this morning. Okay. Thank you. Brandy. Let me just, just for the board to understand, we call our support services team. Our four research specialists and our counseling positions. So right now that's Brandy. As our counselor. Melissa. Amy Veronica. Melinda who's housed within the LHA buildings. So that support services team will. Hopefully be six people soon. So we just have a, a portion of them today. So Brandy, I'll turn it back to you. Thanks. Okay. You know, we particularly wanted to have Melinda here today because Melinda is our resource specialist who doesn't serve the entire community. So we're going to have Melinda, who serves three specific housing communities. And the hearthstone, the lodge, which are senior housing sites with the alone one housing authority, as well as the sweets, which is a mixed property. There are Melinda, you'll have to tell us how many older adults there, there are quite a few. But they're also younger folks. Right. I think, you know, I actually don't have my list in front of me, but I think I calculated it was close to 30%, but I think it's just, it's, it's, it's a significant portion of the population here at the Swedish. And so, you know, our. Statistics here really encompass all of our work, the five of us. And a lot of this data is. Covering more of what Melinda, Veronica, was talking about, but I also provide some case management in addition to the counseling work that I do and I work with a lot of family caregivers on trying to connect them with services and resources. So this reflects some of my work as well. So I'd like to dive in and share some statistics. I'm going to invite Melinda to jump in at any time to talk about how that might look a little different specifically in her work with the housing authority. And what I'm really curious about at the end is. What you all might think is missing, but you, what you might want to hear about that you're not hearing in our statistics that could help you and others understand the story of the work that we do. So I'm going to dive in please feel free to ask questions at any time and again Melinda feel free to jump in any time as well. We served 704 new individuals in 2021. Folks that we had not met with in the past at the senior center, which is outstanding. That's a lot of new people for us. We served a total of 1142 individuals through those information referral, case management services. Our system doesn't break down how many individuals separately just accessed counseling and not those other services, but I estimate it's another, you know, about 10 to 15 people probably. We helped 334. Or we had 334 contacts for caregiver assistance. So these are family members or friends taking care of someone in their lives. Looking for all manner of resources for short short-term case management. We had 156 contacts. For information and referral. You know, this is really our big. Michelle's got a question or comment. Brandy, Brandy, if you could just do a quick on the difference between contacts and individuals. Sure. So for the caregiver statistics, we had 334 contacts, but it was 210 different persons. So as Brandy talks about contacts. That's a, an email, a phone call, a meeting. And an individual is our unduplicated. And that's a lot of information. That's a lot of information. That's a lot of information. That's a lot of numbers. So Brandy, as you go through, just maybe point that out where that's more. Importance, perhaps, or more impactful. Thanks. Yeah. For information and referral, people who are really just trying to get connected with resources. We had 1900. Contacts with 887 individuals. That is truly the brunt of our work. And how many times people contact us. For paperwork. We had 524 contacts with 304 individuals. But I have a strong feeling, and I want to have Melinda say something about this, that that statistic doesn't really capture the amount of time and energy that goes into helping people with paperwork, especially if they are Spanish speaking, but also if they're English speaking. Right. I mean, we're. We're not going to be able to do that. We're not going to be able to do that. So a couple of things I want to say. So these statistics, I think, are going to look a lot different. Next year.  And now that I think. Residents of the properties are more used to my presence. They're accessing me more. There's a lot of people that just in my case, they don't have to make appointments when they're seeing the, the specialists that are at the senior center. But in my case, they're popping by and they may just get something in the mail. Don't understand it. Want me to take a look. So that's, that's a little piece of just paperwork. Frequently, I'm helping them, for example, get their statement of their social security benefits for their rent. So we're, we're making a phone call to the, to social security. And we're, we're making a phone call to the social security. We're following up on an application for food benefits or. Long-term care Medicaid. There's. There's the paperwork that I'm doing with them. That's just kind of, you know, can be anything that comes in the mail or that they've been given that they don't know how to fill out. To then our own paperwork documenting it. So it's, it's, it's kind of hard to capture.  Is it important? Do I need to pay attention to this? Do I need to respond to it? And then for our Spanish speakers, I'm one of the bilingual resource specialists. Sometimes they're, they're getting things that aren't even in Spanish in the mail. So I'm helping them read them, understand them. I do have quite a few clients with some literacy challenges as well. So I'm just helping them understand what they have. When I was, I just want to add to that and Brandi, I know you have an example, you're going to share. I think that's helpful. But also, especially during COVID paperwork sometimes meant doing things online for people, because there was no hard copy paper anymore. And individuals who struggled with paper or struggled with technology, sometimes paperwork was actually walking people through an online paper. It's a good point. Process. So go ahead, Brandi. When I filled in for Melinda's position at the housing authority last year, I had one very eye opening experience helping someone with paperwork to pay for medical equipment where we were applying for grants from various agencies to get some medical equipment that she needed that Medicaid wouldn't cover. And it took hours upon hours to do that paperwork. And I actually got help from other staff, Amy and Melissa. And it really was a shining example to me of the amount of time that Amy Veronica, Melissa, Melinda need to spend doing paperwork to help people get the resources they need. And then helping people understand paperwork, helping people fill out paperwork, answering follow-up questions from grant agencies. And it's just very, very intensive. And especially so for our Spanish speakers is what I hear from the staff that the interpretation of forms and trying to help people understand them brings a whole other level of really case management need around paperwork. The volume of time we spend with people is really interesting. And I wanted to point out a little info there. The majority of folks we work with, we have contact with once. But, you know, a straightforward resource question, we meet with them, we talk them on the phone, we handle that. So about 559 individuals only talked with our staff once. Another 436 individuals had two to four contacts with us. 114 people had five to 10 contacts with us. And then there's this chunk of 30 people. Who we met with between 11 and 30 times. We meet with somebody 30 times. Think about that. That's almost once a week. That's at least every other week. And the way we enter our notes in our system is if we talk with somebody more than once in a week, we combine those into just one note. So there is a small group of customers who we meet with really intensely. They need a lot more time and energy and it's not just that kind of one or two shot thing to get their needs met. They need to have a lot more time and energy. And in my case, being housed. In the properties. I'm seeing the clients probably more frequently. Because they can just pop down and access me. Yes, Sheila. How many did you say. The small chunk is. You see. Once a week. How many people. There were 30 people who we met with between 11 and 30 times during the year. I thought you said 30. Yeah. Thank you. Sheila, for the sake of the minutes, I actually have Brandy's report in written form. So I can share that with you and Prudence after the meeting. Oh, good. Thank you very much. The way we contacted people and you've got to bear in mind here, the senior center didn't reopen until May. And we weren't fully reopened until September. We had almost 1500 phone calls with 764 individuals last year. We really learned that we could get a lot done over the phone that we did not think we could. I would say the majority of our customers really prefer face-to-face contact and kind of crave that. And Amy, if you want to jump in with any experience there, please feel free now that you're joining us. Yeah, sorry. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That ran late. But with that, I think part of what ended up happening during the pandemic was we would do a phone call, but then we'd be helping with an application that required a signature. So a lot of times the phone calls turned into a drive drive up where they came to the senior center. We'd go out to the signature. And then process or send in applications. So despite that closure, we still had 774 contacts with 432 individuals face-to-face. I want to talk a little bit about the big issues that we were working on. So we've got an at-risk category in our data set where we capture really, really difficult things folks are dealing with. So I'm going to talk about a few of those. We helped 45 people avoid eviction last year. And we were able to do that in a very long time. And it was huge. Folks who have actually gotten some sort of eviction notice and we helped problem solve that and we're able to avoid them being evicted. We worked with 54 people who were homeless when they walked in the door. We were able to help 93 people obtain affordable housing. So some of those folks were homeless. We were able to obtain affordable housing. We worked with 48 people who were able to maintain their housing. And so this may have been that we helped them with paying rent after they had a medical crisis or, you know, they needed for, for it's usually very short-term, like one month to redirect their funds to some crisis in their life. And we made sure they could get their utilities or their rent paid so that they didn't end up getting the eviction notice. So that's really important work. We also worked with 55 different individuals who clearly had cognitive concerns. So some sort of dementia symptoms doesn't mean they were necessarily diagnosed with dementia, but typically what happens when we work with folks who have cognitive concerns is it takes a little more work. Sometimes those are our short-term case management clients who need a little more hand-holding and time and attention to solve the problems in their lives that they're trying to solve. The very big issues that people came in for last year, our number one was financial assistance. Number two was housing. And primarily this is people seeking affordable housing, but also like we said, we worked with 54 folks who were homeless. The third biggest issue was caregiving. So caregivers who are stressed in seeking emotional support or who need to bring in new resources in their lives to make those caregiving situations more manageable or to find something like assisted living or skilled nursing if they can't keep doing the caregiving at home. We do keep track of folks who are coming in and reporting abuse situations to us. And the number one kind of abuse situation we were dealing with in 2021 was financial exploitation. And those numbers are not huge. And we have a category of self-neglect. So it's not that someone is abusing, neglecting or exploiting you, but that it seems you are no longer to meet your basic needs typically because of some sort of cognitive concern. And we worked with 14 people who seem to be experiencing self-neglect. Often in those cases, we will end up with self-neglect. And we worked with 14 people who seem to be experiencing self-neglect. Often in those cases, we will end up calling our friends at adult protection and seeing if we can work together to help people stay housed safely in the community and get the services they need. For caregiver needs, I wanted to give you kind of just the top needs caregivers were asking about. Home care was number one. We had 209 contacts with 155 people to try to get home care in place. Respite, which is usually a part of home care, but can be different. 101 contacts with 70 individuals. And then we had 79 folks, we referred to caregiver support groups, I'm sorry, 79 contacts with 67 people referring to support groups. And why that number is larger, like why it would be that 67 individuals would need 79, 79 contacts is that sometimes we have to talk about support groups more than once before somebody really says, yeah, okay, I think it's time that I try that out. And sometimes we refer people to support groups and they are not at all interested, but six months later they say, oh, okay, I think it's time for me to get that kind of support. From our counseling world, I have just a few statistics I wanted to share. We had 355 sessions with 49 individuals for counseling. So that was offered by myself and my licensed professional counselor. We had an intern getting a master's degree in counseling. And we have our peer support team. If you're not familiar, our older adults who meet with other older adults to provide support. We had 156 sessions for a support group for 42 individuals. So some of those individuals were in those groups together, right? That support group session number looks really high, but what it means is we were able to serve 42 individuals, some of them repeatedly many times in support groups, folks will often come to support groups for eight weeks at a time. If it's our grief support group or adjusting to life changes, or if it's a monthly caregiver support group, they will come every month. We spent quite a bit of time last year referring people to other counseling resources because when we opened back up, as the pandemic was sort of shifting last April, May, people started to come out of the woodworks looking for counseling support and many of them very specifically wanted or needed to work with a licensed clinician. So I ended up referring 37 people to mental health partners, 18 people to a group called a wiser mind who specifically work with folks who have cognitive impairment, 37 people to private referrals. So I keep a list of therapists in the area who work through Medicare and are licensed to be able to refer folks to. And that's kind of outstanding for us. I don't think we've ever made that many outside referrals before. And it was simply because the need became quite overwhelming. I still have a waitlist. I've often had a waitlist over the years, but my waitlist has gotten so long in the last year that I've had to close it, which is why we are hiring a second counselor. Yay. We're going to increase our ability to meet that need. That's the flooring. So while we're Andy has flooring, I want to just add in that. We are one of the few agencies that does case management. So over the years, lots of nonprofit agencies have stopped offering case management services. So we typically focus that service for a low income. Or and or unsupported individuals, folks who really don't have family or friends who can help them navigate systems and services. So. Last year. We had 170 contacts with 46 different individuals. And that's often very time as well as. Time intensive and also usually very complicated. Situations. Some of those individuals have been referred to us. Actually we're getting more referrals from the city of Longmont co responder team. As they are out and about with police and responding to situations. The Longmont co responder model is really a triage. It's really a triage. It's really a triage. It's a sort of approach and if they're an older adult, they often refer. Those folks to us for information referral and at times. Case management. So that's a, a service. I think somewhat unique to us. And we are also very mindful. It could quickly overwhelm us. So we're cautious. In our approach. But we are not. We are not. We are not. We are not. We are not. We are not full of what case management needs. Brandy, are you ready? She wrote in the. In the chat. And just said the top reasons people entered counseling were conflict with family. Grief support. And then caregiver support. So. And I was just going to jump in. We. We talked a lot together at the beginning of the year to talk about this data and say, just look at what's not reflected in these numbers. And, and we really. Figured out that there's a level of intensity and branding mind to talk about this before I hopped on. With our Spanish speaking cases. That doesn't really get reflected in our numbers. And then the other, other pieces that don't necessarily. We tend to squeeze them into our, our, into our data entry. And they're more of our philosophy or how. How we resource specialists tend to operate. Is that if there's an urgency or someone that's meeting our support, we tend to squeeze them into our, our. Schedules. And sometimes that pushes off our data entry. And so sometimes are the data. We try to keep it as up to date as possible, but sometimes it doesn't always reflect. So we put seeing the client before putting the note in. And we're working on that balance. Thank you, Amy. I was able to catch that. Are there any thoughts folks have about. Kind of what's missing in telling the story of our data. Transportation. A problem. Can you hear me? Okay. Or is there too much noise? Okay. So for transportation, it looks like we had a total of 128 contacts. About transportation. So it, in conjunction, I didn't give you numbers for those top concerns earlier. We had 2000 contacts for financial support. We had a thousand contacts for housing. Transportation was very small. So it's probably important to just put some. Parameters around the transportation question, Sheila. So during COVID. There was a reduction in some transportation needs because. Folks didn't necessarily, they were making different choices about the beauty shop or this coming to the senior center or that. And the only thing that was really important, especially in the sense, and other transportation providers is they really prioritized. A COVID related transportation. So transport, vaccines to testing, et cetera. Delivering groceries. So they kind of changed up. It'll be curious to see how that goes going forward. As we open back up. One of the growing transportation issues that we have seen we don't have numbers, it's kind of a tickler in our head is the number of folks who need transportation to a health care site and need someone to accompany them. So you all may know you go for colonoscopy you and I just did cataract surgery.  And so that help transportation piece is probably something going forward that's going to be more on radar for us and for transportation providers cultivate has had a program that's been a good one that it's a reliant on volunteers so transportation is kind of emerging again and we'll see where that takes us but a great question. And I will I'm seeing it already in the Hearthstone and the lodge I'm getting more requests for help with transportation as via is apparently struggling to accommodate everyone I'm getting more folks coming in telling me that they're calling via but via doesn't have availability so. Um, it's definitely increasing. You're muted. I also am aware of the amount of time that they not necessarily be documented that you all spend on the phone contacting people, getting them to apply for lotteries getting them to apply for openings at different affordable housing facilities when they open up their waitlist and that's time that isn't even really counted that is ongoing and that you do a beautiful job of. Another transportation thing to throw out is the IntelliRide which is the Medicaid non emergency transportation and medical appointments. I have clients that are coming in asking for my help scheduling their ride because they're they're low income already they may have a data plan on their phone without a minute, a lot of minutes, and those calls can sometimes take up to an hour of waiting to just get an answer and schedule so. Just adding on the transportation piece some of our data to might reflect it when we talk to people about transportation it might end up being more than transportation so there's an overlap overlap between transportation and home care so like if someone's looking for a ride to a colonoscopy. It's talking about what's your support system. If you don't have someone that can drive you can we get you connected with a home care resource and what would that look like what are your finances. So and that's where it's hard when we check boxes on data entry. We could end up checking five different ones because it turns into a conversation that doesn't fit into just one resource category. And do we, I mean, are we making any home visits as well. Yeah, we never stopped doing home visits during the pandemic we just made some policies around how to do them safely. And we really try to keep home visits to individuals that can't get to the senior center or there's programs we do that require in home visits that we go to so. Because that could be difficult with a number of people and needs that we have. And I commend the staff for all they're doing to meet the needs of our community. My question is, are we breaking this down by ethnicity fighting. We have that data in our system when when people share that data. We have a data point in our system where we track language preference. So we, we can pull some reports on that data but because we don't always have it. It isn't fully accurate if that makes sense. And how many of the Resource Specialist are filing off. Wow, that's great. And on her Spanish and I work on my Spanish. Again, I commend you for all you're doing. So Sheila. Just a comment, not a question. Sometimes statistics are very dull, but listening to all of those statistics that you shared today, Brandy and Melinda. I am just as art was really amazed at the work that you do and I'm very thankful. I live somewhere where there are people who do this really is amazing worthy of congratulations to everybody. Thank you. And, and thanks to city council for giving us more staff these last couple of years. We've needed it. Yeah, and I just want to do a shout out to Jeanine because she is our resource volunteer and she has offered immeasurable health and some of these statistics actually reflect the work she has done in making calls and helping people with leap and various paperwork. So it really is a huge team when you factor in Jeanine as well as our volunteer peer counselors. And the other piece that I think Brandy didn't really speak to her anyone is our front desk staff. Make the vast majority of all the appointments for Melissa Amy and Veronica. And so that has streamlined things for our resource. But it also means our front desk staff do an awful lot of work to support what what we're doing. And in the back sort of you know so it's a definitely a team, a team effort for sure. Marsha. Thank you. I would like to say city council would like to take credit for those positions and everything but really the credit goes to the senior center itself and to in large part to the competent and relevant data that you're collecting because that makes it so much to justify the need. So, you know, a lot of times we get the answer from other supplicants for money, right that, well, we can either choose between doing the work or publicizing the data, you know, and you have obviously managed to do both. And that's one of the reasons why you're so effective. So, you know, all, all of the merit is belongs to the senior center and to this board, you're so effective. Thank you Marsha, and, and we as staff talk kind of regularly about what do we need to do to have time to do the data pieces because we know this data is not entirely accurate because we're missing when we just didn't have time to enter things, and we know that's really important. So thank you for just reiterating for us that it is important for us to do those pieces. David, we can't hear you. If you have a question you can put it in the chat. David's having trouble with his audio this morning I know. Why I'm not sure he's doing everything right but I think we're at the very beginning of the meeting Janine we actually could hear David but I don't think he could hear us we were trying to tell him we could hear him so I don't know if that helps at all. So, one of the things that Brandy said at the beginning is about the data and the telling the story so that is something we're really working on so as you think about what you heard today. There's something that really, you know, kind of resonates for you. We want to make sure that that we're telling a story that really does reflect the work and reflect what people need and what we're able to provide so something strikes you as you think about again what you heard. Let, let me know, because we, we don't want to just spew out numbers, we really want to paint the story and we're working with our marketing person around this and, you know, trying to be accurate as well as compelling about what it does to you. So, please feel free to follow up with me and the team and I will, we'll figure that out and weave that in. And just a huge appreciation Brandy and Amy or kind of our numbers people Amy tracks the all the finances and Brandy has really been working with our management vendor to make sure our data is what what what actually is happening. It's been great to have Melinda on board and now our data we can separate from LHA and non LHA. And Melinda's been super helpful and we also have some reporting we have to do for the LHA side that's a little bit unique. And I'm sorry Veronica and Melissa weren't able to be here that they're meeting with folks. So, looks like Brandy or Amy or Melinda you want to David's got some questions in the chat around looks like more like demographic kinds of things so maybe if one of you would like to look at the chat and respond. So that goes back to arts question about like, can we pull data by how many people are Spanish speakers and the answer is yes we just have to ask our case management system folks to create reports that pull that. And we have to make sure we're entering all of that so some of those questions about demographics. You know we don't ask those questions all the time unless there's a reason we need to right if we're helping somebody fill out paperwork where they have to fill in that demographic info. We do ask for phone numbers so we can contact people but we ask if they live in Longmont but we don't always get their address unless there's a reason why we would get that so it's it's missing some pieces. It's a little bit easier in the LHA properties because we know already, you know there's income qualifications and age. So, it's easier for for my statistics to kind of pull that out. And definitely changed up some of our demographic questions so that they are inclusive and appropriate in a world of 2022 so it's been good to be able to change up some of the, how we asked those questions as well. Ruth, did you have a question. Yeah, you said that one of the major concerns that present themselves for counseling was mental health. And so much. I think what you do is preventing issues and disasters and I think people like to see statistics also in a way that I mean that's hard to document prevention but that's what you're really doing. That's why we capture that data about how many people did we help maintain their housing before they got an eviction notice it's that's that's where we're trying to capture some prevention.  One of the things that we're working toward and I'm going to say this in a minimal minimal way is with our county area agency on aging and starting to look at how we better collect outcome data. Like what difference did you make, which is I think not exactly prevention which I totally agree with you Ruth but also what difference did you make. So, we have brandy and I have been a part of a team with the area agency on aging so that we can start to align a few of our data points so that we can start to really look at the outcome that what what what did it matter. And so, it's a great question and I'm just going to say keep asking us because I think that's the future we really need to do a better job about being able to document the outcome, and the outcome, which brandy gave the example is a good one. And, and I will say I did not pull a report, but we can on our closing evaluations when people do have counseling which is optional, but our return rate is pretty good. We almost never have someone say that counseling wasn't helpful, and that they would not recommend it to someone else that they know the feedback is really overwhelmingly positive. And both our peer support volunteers are in turn when they go to support groups we do offer that follow up evaluation to see did this make a difference. And I wish there was a way to capture. This is one of my favorite stories and we used. A gentleman a monolingual Spanish speaker gentleman who needed teeth needed some significant dental work and after he got it he came in and I think a couple of us were in tears. Because he was so appreciative that he could go out he was comfortable visiting with people and he was eating again. You know, how do you collect that you know that that was an outcome that made an incredible difference in his social and nutritional and health life. But, so we're very fortunate we get folks who express their appreciation in different ways and when he walked in here smile in the ear to ear. It was one of those moments that that I will hold for sure. So since we have a lot to cover. I think we should move on and brandy and Amy thank you and Melinda for all the information you've given to us prudence has joined us so she can take over taking the minutes. Sheila did that for you in the beginning. Thank you Sheila. Thank you so much. Thank you. And now we're going. So there was a conversation about how to measure outcomes. Was that correct. So one of the things on I'm a case manager, you know because I'm a nurse. I'm certified in it but one of the things that that we do because the value is how do you prove a negative for almost. And that's what you're really looking at. And one of the things is that what. I'm not sure whether this will work but this this projections you can use like how many people would have been homeless. So you have a base number, let's say, 5% of your population and long lines going to be homeless. And then you say out of those X amount of people X reached out to the senior center and X got housing or housing assistance. That's one way you could do it it entails a lot more work. So it's just like, okay, they got, I'll give you an example they got home health care. 10 people were eligible, eight of them went. So 80% of them did not return to the hospital. So that's kind of how we do it. Thank you. That's it. And then it's where are we on the agenda. We're on the position update on old business. Okay. Just a quick, we just posted the senior clinician to which is our counselor position. It got posted yesterday. It is posted until filled. So that is out there. And we're still on hold for our afternoon evening custodian, but that will be our next position that we'll read up so art. I've got your name down next to that to help. I believe David and someone else had offered to help with the counseling position. So Brandi is kind of taking the lead on that and we'll follow up with you because we have those notes. And as when we get ready to do the interview for the, the counselor position. So that's our position update. Okay. And then we have the 2021 annual report discussion. So do you want it? Sheila. You muted. Yes.  And that's because she was away. But still. Good to bad. Okay, Prudence. Okay, Prudence, take it away. Okay, so this is what I thought. I think there is. So I only saw two slides that pertain to senior advisory in the 16 pages. So I concentrate on those two because the other part of it is about. And actually I think these could be trimmed down, but I'm not to say so was about COVID. Because if you really think of 2021 COVID, you know, once people started getting vaccinated in February that changed the whole thing. I still think we did a lot. I'm not sure whether it needed three slides. However, I also understand that it may be something we want to keep in three slides. So that's, that's one thing. There's also a bunch of statistical information which I know Michelle has. So I left that those blank. I X them out. And that goes back to what you were discussing before about outcomes, how to really show that because to say I saw X, you know, I think it's, it's important. In the future, you may want to think differently about it as you strut as you struggle and I'll use the word struggle to reflect outcomes. When looking at the last slides. They had four. For accomplishments. So I kept it to four. And I put in a slide about what we need from the city council. Okay. And Julie's going to shake her head. Yes, the RFP for the foot care. I mean, I have never seen, but I've just dealt with, with something else with purchasing there. I'm not sure whether we should form the whole process out because it seems like the city is unable and does not have the bandwidth to take a look at an RFP for foot care without adding 15 other things. This seems, um, it seems it should not take over a year to get the foot care process going. In my mind, it should have been a go as soon as we open to attract more people. So that's, that's my two cents. I put down that we met with common I thought that was very, I was at that meeting, but I thought that was very important work that we did. I also noted that we met with the transportation person. And the, um, let me not forget everybody's favorite the web track. So we met with those four people. However, in the next slide, I say city council. We need support to accomplish these things meeting with people is all finding good. However, and having them back to tell us they haven't done anything is not all finding good unless it's finding good for everybody else. So crossing the street, you know, on main street and other areas is very important to the senior advisory council. He came and talked. Okay, I realize government moves slow. However, um, my haircutter was here yesterday and lives near there and she said that she has seen three people get hit in their wheelchairs. She said to her, they died. They're probably fix it, but they didn't. Um, so I just put in two slides, one what we did during the year, and what we need from city council help. I thought that on the whole I thought that 2021 was well put together. I would definitely change the pictures to reflect younger seniors, said they should be a mixture of those people younger so 55 to 70, then another slides with people who are 75 and over. Because looking at it, I have to tell you, I was like, Oh my gosh, these people are really old. And everybody on here looks so healthy and young that I have to say was like I was a little taken back. I didn't remember it from last year so those were my two slides that I put in and I sent them in to Sheila. And that was that so feedback is always welcome. Michelle if you have feedback I know that you're putting the statistics. Which I know that they, not the last meeting with the meeting before they went out but they were not supposed to come to us I think they were supposed to be discussed with brandy team first and they've done a tremendous job. You know, in really helping people sort their way. Questions comment changes you would like to see. A little woman, please. You're muted. I know sometimes my spacebar on mutes me and sometimes it refuses to. This is almost an aside, I would kind of emphasize the, the walk light programming issue a little bit. The reason being that although he, I think it was Tyler who came and spoke to Tyler. And he is going to Fort Collins with a promotion so you know it's good for him. And overall he has been incredibly responsible and responsive to me as a city council member representing people, but he is not an imaginative, imaginative person. And, and so he does sometimes have a hard time getting outside the book. And, and emphasizing that this is not senior friendly the way our automated light systems are programmed. You know, it might be something that the next guy could run with trying to prove himself. So let's hear that one doesn't get lost in the dust. And I also think Marsha and Jeanine brought this up in the meeting is that it's not only seniors. It's also parents with children. And third and Main Street, they really, I mean I've seen parents pick up the show with the kid in it and death. It's really kind of amazing to me because in other areas of the city. You know that is a 15 second light 1515 1413 other areas of the city alone can prep their longer. And you know they're trying to optimize the traffic and and reduce waiting, you know, lights cycling. And that's part of the problem. But you know we might want to make the point that if downtown we're more walkable. Few more people would choose not to drive there, but, but, you know, make take one public transit and stay there a long time rather than just zipping down. And, you know, it's another case for for again, I guess making the lights more mobility friendly or, or, you know, something. Young people as, as well as seniors. This issue. Young parents do. And cyclists because of because of this, the dismount rules you know they're walking their bike so it's awkward for them to get David should wrote that there should be more graphs rather than words. And Michelle if you need a hand in converting the numbers to graphs in Excel, I can certainly assist you and I bet you David could too. I sometimes wonder when contemplating all of this. What number of people that are driving through the cities, especially driving down Main Street are using that as a thoroughfare versus people that are actually navigating downtown businesses. Because I think that in taking everything into consideration, one needs to take a look at that. And I think I know of myself and certainly my sense is a majority of the traffic that needs to get going and get through is using Main Street as a thoroughfare. It's not because they're giving business to be to the companies on the street. Whereas the foot traffic is basically there for a different reason. And I think that needs to be considered. This is Michelle, you know, a prudence, I would. And I, and if I didn't say this clear enough throughout the last several months let me be really perfectly clear. The foot pair RFP delay is pretty much 100% on me, because it was not my priority for moving that forward and so when I got back in touch with her purchasing at the first of December, first of February. My contact and purchasing has moved it right along and it should be released by the end of this week, according to her so I just really want to be clear that's on me, and not on anyone else. So, so Michelle, wait a second. I can take that out. And I'm perfectly happy to do that. If, if that's, or you can add that the senior services manager as slow as belasses. No, no, but no seriously, seriously, however, if I heard you correctly. In February of 21. What happened after is it February of 22. Oh, no, I, I finally took it off my back burner, February of 2022. And, and re relit it, because it's been sitting with me. It just was not a priority for me and purchasing has responded really well. So, it should go out the end of this week. Okay, so I can, I can, we can delete that bullet. Thrash me it either way. I think we should delete that bullet. No, no, I mean that that's okay. Maybe is everybody else comfortable with that I'm pretty comfortable in deleting it. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. You know that's, that's not a big deal. I have another question I had and I should have asked this a long time ago. I have never understood and my fellow board members can educate me as why we are involved with the Longmont Housing Authority. Susan smiling so she may know. Well, there's a lot of seniors in Longmont housing. Six of the, six of the nine properties are for older adults. And through the funding of those properties. They can use that funding to hire resource people resident services it might be called a resource specialist. Because we already had a team of resource folks here. And because the majority of the properties right now are older adults, it made sense to put that person in that position under senior services, and I advocated for them. Because I think those folks need a team so Melinda is definitely a part of our team. And she also gets extra support from brandy regarding anybody who has behavioral health issues so we're working out kinks you know it's not a perfect alignment. But I think it makes good sense so the city general fund is not paying for that position. That's actually funded through the housing authority which is appropriate because that's where the funding comes. But it is housed, I think appropriately, and, and it's been good. That's my feeling, and I don't know if Marsha would want to add anything else as a housing authority board of commissioner. Yeah, I, I would in fact, because in fact it was a stroke of genius and a lifesaver to share resources with the LHA and the way that the senior center has done the. This is a nationwide trend that between the way HUD has been working especially during the previous administration, but also many previous administrations. And, and now that housing authorities reach this inflection point where they kind of crash and burn, and ours did that. And, you know, could not sustain itself, and the city of Longmont came in and with a truly heroic effort rescued it. And if our different agencies and most especially the senior center had not been willing to step up and had been resistant to that, it would not have succeeded. So, you know, maybe we can, we can hope that the senior center might get resources back in fact it already is right, you know, thank you for free new case managers, but, but it had to happen. And the, even, even in the properties that are not dedicated to retirees. A majority of the residents are over age 55. And, and so the synergy is, is there and in it was a, I can't emphasize enough it was a lifesaver. So, Michelle, thank you, thank you Marsha. So Michelle what we may want to do is replace all the covert stuff in the beginning with some such good work that you did in recognizing the synergy between senior housing and the senior center and the accomplishments of the counseling people. And that way that'll take away the RFP issue. What did she do with her time. Yeah. Seriously, seriously, one slide on COVID. And then I think that that, you know, as Marsha, and yourself explained to me, to me that I think that's a real accomplishment and that's something to be right like the survey you guys did there. I mean that was really brilliant. And that should go in the PowerPoint. You did a great job. You surveyed you got counselors for them, you know, the move in and move out with, you know, we doing it. That took a tremendous amount of work. Moving on. Are we ready. Yep. So we're on D goals for 2022. I thought we kind of came up with that last meeting but I don't know what to talk about again. I just suggest that we. I didn't update the goals that on the agenda so maybe this is best serve for April Susan, and that's what I was thinking okay. I'm not, I'm not up to date so I need to put that for April coffee with the council we who was volunteering I was on the 26 Julie was Jeanine was. And we are, we are definitely on for that and I found out that we can also have some baked goods now so I will make sure that not only we have coffee but we have something else. That morning and I will plan to be here probably between eight and eight 30. Okay. I don't know where I read that it was going to be by zoom. Maybe it was an older publication that I wanted to verify that it is going to be live and at the senior center right. 830 March 26 or my calendar. Yes. And I know that it says old business other does anybody have any old business other stuff before we give the floor to Francie and Lisa. I would just like to make a motion that we meet in person next month so we don't have to keep resending zoom invitations. So that's my motion. Does anybody have a discussion or disagreement. Second. We're meeting in person at the senior center. April 6 10am. Yay. So, this one Victor with Michelle mandate had come down to the city manager about being zoom wise. Is that okay to do that now. Okay. So I'm going to go back to the board and actually Marcia could speak to this but city council has also voted to go back and I did get direction that it was to bring it back up to the board and let the board make the decision. So this is perfect. Board has decided. So now we can welcome Francie and Lisa for their presentation. President of the board and the rest of the board my name is Francie Jaffe I'm the water conservation and sustainability specialist. Even though my job starts with water I'm actually talking about waste today. I'm also joined. I'm going to introduce Lisa no block the sustainability program manager. So, who will be supporting in us in this conversation. We. So I have a presentation that I will share. Hopefully I shared the right screen there. So we're talking about the zero waste resolution update and universal recycling ordinance. We are usually we're working very closely with Charles Kevin Edis our way services manager. Usually he would probably join us in one of these meetings he's out of town for the next two weeks. So, but if at the end if we have questions that we're unable to answer. Charlie is always happy to answer but it might take him a little bit of time since I think he is back in town in mid March. What I'm going to do is I'm going, I have maybe about a five to six minute presentation to give you all some context, and then we want to spend the most of our 20 minutes today to have we have a discussion question that we would like to ask you all to get some guidance on some direction as we work on these two efforts. And then we'll end with some kind of timelines and next steps and how to get involved beyond this, this meeting. So just to quickly highlight trash impacts our community in different ways, whether that's litter pollution contamination of our soil and water, and it can also impact our greenhouse gas emissions. So the city has a history of trying to reduce trash in our community. In 1990 we began recycling in 2008 we actually passed our first zero waste resolution that cassette guidance and for the city. In 2017, if you are in a, a single or duplex family home, we started the pay as you throw, as well as curbside composting. Last year, we are trying to expand our hard to recycle events. So our, our disability to do hard to recycle so we actually had our first event last year. And then this year we're doing an update to our zero waste resolution and in drafting a universal recycling ordinance that will be presented to council. So just to talk a little bit about the difference between those two, the resolution will really set our commitments. I'll be talking a little bit later about targets, our first resolution did not include targets we have some from our sustainability plan that passed in 2016. But we are proposing based on council direction to look at our, our zero waste programs more extensively more aggressive targets that I'll show later. And this resolution, once passed by council will really help guide staff moving forward with our zero waste programs. The ordinance really sets on different things into law, specifically, a lot of ordinance focus on, there's other communities have passed ordinance around looking at multifamily and commercial. So right now, a lot of our programs are in the residential but commercial other commercial haulers serve our multifamily and commercial. So a zero, zero waste, our universal recycling ordinance could start requiring recycling. So citywide, it could apply to different sectors like commercial and multifamily complex complexes, and it could also be phase so even if we pass it at the end of this year the first year could be education focus and not starting to do that enforcement until later on. So talking about recycling, it could be in future years that we bring in composting or we do composting for certain sectors like restaurants. So we're really trying to figure out the scope of what might be included in that ordinance. These are the guiding principles they these really tie back to trying to address those issues around trash that I highlighted earlier that we want everyone to live in a clean and safe community that we increase recycling and composting for all members of our community, and really acknowledging that reducing waste can help support the climate action goals that the city has set. Currently, we have from our sustainability plan have a residential waste diversion goal 50% by 2025. Last year, we are residents diverted 42% of waste from the landfill. And just to look a little bit more at composting we have an opt in program so recycling. Everyone has recycling been why composting you need to specifically request a compost bin, and we have about 24% participation. We, a couple years ago in late 2020 we did a life cycle. A life cycle analysis to better look at our greenhouse gas emissions from waste. And in that we had to proposed more aggressive targets for the city in our waste diversion that we are looking at for this resolution update. Both of them start with in 2025 50% of all sector waste diversion I bolded that all, because right now our goal is just residential. And this would be all sectors so it would include commercial and multifamily and construction and demolition. And the later years is where these targets diverge. The first one just has a 85% goal by 2050. The second one that 85% goals moved to 2035 but just for the residential and commercial sectors with 60% for construction demolition. Construction demolition is probably the hardest sector for us to increase recycling in that sector, just, and it has a lot to do with current infrastructure that exists that there's a lot of regional efforts trying to figure out how to address that sector but that's why it splits that goal at 2035 and then 2050 a more ambitious target of 95% of all sectors, a waste diversion. So just to kind of summarize what I just said, our main goals is that we want to set more ambitious goals for the residential commercial and multifamily sectors. Right now for the universal cycling ordinance at a minimum, we're looking at requiring recycling for commercial and multifamily and residential. In the future, we're thinking, we're starting to think about what, where does composting come in where just construction demolition come in. We're really at the, the early process of developing our zero waste resolution and the ordinance and are engaging you all and other members of our community to really help us draft the resolution in the, in these items. So our main question that we'd like to discuss with you today with these increased targets that are much more ambitious than our current targets. What are specific considerations for older adults. We started to think about what if someone was living alone and didn't need those big recycling and big composting cards. If someone was living in a multifamily building. What are different considerations to factor in thinking about different places that you frequent in the community, and also what info access and education would be needed to help us achieve these targets. So I can I can either leave the question up if that's helpful, or I could drop in the chat and then stop sharing my screen so it's a little bit more conversational. Yes, Council Member Martin. I just wanted to, I don't know where you'd put it under these topics, but for the people that this board represents in particular, many live in multifamily settings, and all are, if they get a utility bill at all, are really concerned with the magnitude of that bill. So, we would like to understand for the different programs, you know, in in the 85% composting version, for example, is that going to be mostly paid by businesses or whatever. And, and also, you know, are there going to continue to be options that allow people to keep their fees low, like pay as you throw, you know, if you if you use every other week landfill diversion with the small bin, then it pays for your composting opt in, for example. And, and I think those things are going to be really important so I would just like to explicitly introduce those two items to the discussion. I'll just jump in really quickly. Thanks, Council Member Martin. As Francie mentioned, I know a lot of you, but if I haven't met you before I'm Lisa Nabok, the sustainability program manager. And part of this process will also be doing data analysis so looking at those two different scenario target scenarios that Francie talked about, and doing a cost benefit analysis of what policies or programs would we need to put in place to meet those different scenarios and what would the cost be so that we can have a really informed discussion around, you know, what are those cost implications and where might the, the revenue need to come from in order for us to make sure that as you're saying Council Member Martin that that those costs don't undo we burden different folks in our community so we don't have that information yet but that's part of this process for us to learn that. And I'm going to be chatting about this in a minute but but we also want to come back to this group before we take a final resolution to Council so that you all can see whatever is in there, and make sure that we didn't, you know, miss anything or accidentally put anything in there that might have some sort of unintended consequence to that effect but thank you so much for bringing that up that's definitely. So that's a comment we're hearing from from a lot of folks as well. You know everybody's getting squeezed and we know you really going up and we want to be mindful of that. So do we know what the barriers are to composting. I think to a few about that's definitely some of the feedback we would love to hear from you all with regard specifically to older adults so currently the our curbside composting program as Francie mentioned is only available for folks that are served by city services so whether it's multiple family homes or multi family multi family complex complexes up to eight units that opt into our service so not all of those multi family units do. So just access in general so folks that you know live in a multi family complex and the property owner property manager doesn't, you know, subscribe to recycling or composting service, obviously that access piece is a lot harder for folks. Obviously it's still an education component, you know that we're trying to work with folks on, you know, what is compostable what are the items that you can put in versus, you know what are the items that might go in a recycling bin.  There are years that we know the other thing and this is something that we'll look at in that cost cost analysis I just talked about is the current composting facility where city compost goes is in Keensburg which is pretty far away and so the costs associated with the that transport and everything is pretty hot especially compared to recycling and just landfilling. And so that's part of what we really need to look at is, if there's not a closer facility and I know that's some conversation that regionally is happening. That still could be a considerable barrier. Janine. My question in terms of certainly as a senior cost and rising cost of services in general is a consideration, but I also wonder if, if, you know, Longmont Housing Authority, if their facilities do composting if they do recycle and and trash bins. And if they are not currently doing it, if they, if, perhaps, it could be done at one or two or three of those facilities to assess the actual price. And not only that, but how many people would participate in the program. Now that's a great thought thanks to me. David messaged. Right. I have to look at his message again. I'm going to bring some detail on what David has to say. Okay. He's talking about mobility and what kind of issues, you know, they might have. So, I know that was one thing that I wanted to mention was, you know, the, the bins at the size that they are now currently. You know, with a recycling bin, even though it's recycling and it's empty containers, those, those containers can be very cumbersome for seniors to get to the curve side. And so I think that there needs to be some conversation around potentially redesigning those in the sense that for seniors they have a different design that's a little bit easier for them to use. It's smaller. However, if we go smaller than it makes sense to rate that financially, you know, accordingly. And Lisa, I don't know the you and Francie get out to actually see some of the multifamily dwellings. I'm extending an invitation. You can come to Southwest Longmont and see 200 condo units and see what we're up against with recycling. Anytime, be glad to show you, but I don't see how it's going to work here. Actually, some people have tried it. And Charlie said, oh, that's not going to work. And so they had gotten every compostable bin. And they took it away, even though we have city services here. And is that largely just Susan, I think we'd love to take you up on that up on that. I think that'd be really helpful. Anytime you let me know. Yeah, we can connect with you. I'd love to know is that is that mostly just space issues or education issues or kind of what we're seeing things both. And I just want to add in, and it may have changed and I apologize if I'm not current information but I think the LHA properties have a contract for waste. And I don't know if the city is even picking up waste stuff. But what I remember when I was in and out of the facilities more a year ago was there was no recycle or compost bins anywhere in the properties, but that could have changed. And so we have a meeting on Friday and Lisa and Francie and I'll just kind of raise that and try and update myself on where we're at with that. Another piece that has sort of emerged and this is across the community not just in the LHA properties is how we help older adults get rid of large items or items they cannot physically manage so we actually help with some of that in terms of the cost but at some point I think that larger item or too difficult cumbersome heavy to move. I don't know where those items fit into a waste removal plan but happy to talk to you about that at a, at another time. Did you say we're transporting our compost to Kingsburg. Is that correct. Yeah. So it doesn't seem worth it to compost financially. That's kind of what I'm hearing is that correct. There's definitely a big cost barrier right now where it is like I said there are conversations regionally to try to get a composting facility closer. I don't know where those conversations are at or at what point in the future that might come but that definitely is a consideration. So some cities do and you're probably aware of this is that they give the public to compost if they give them free mulch. So that is a big for people who mulch. Big come on. Oh we'll give you free mulch and then the city uses the compost to mulch instead of buying mulch so that it's a course savings for the city. And it's an inducement for people to get mulch from the cities. So that's that suggestion I also wanted to add out to your to your first question about that the cost. I just wanted to highlight our pay as you throw rates are set up if you are, if you're adding the compost bin and are able to decrease your trash size, because of that, that is that is more, it does make more sense to have a compost bin recycling bin in a smaller trash bin so we do try to incentivize in that way at this time. I wanted to put out there, um, prudence that, you know, down at the recycling center, you can actually go and pick up city mulch. It's all the yard waste that's been been processed and then they dump it there so that folks can go go get that for free. But I don't know if that includes the composting aspect. I was shaking my head but I'll also verbally say it does not include the composting aspect at this time. Any other questions. In reference to on post containers. It appears. I mean when I look at my neighborhood anyway trash days that there's very few people that have those compost containers. I'm wondering if it's a little more education needed on that and letting them know what, you know, what is the result of composting versus throwing in the trash or whatever. And I agree with cost to I mean, you know, I live here in Curry Village and there are several seniors in this area. I mean, I can understand a year. They are not going to pay what is it $72 a year to for a compost that they'll use for where there's very minimal amount of compost materials that are going to go in there other than during the summer months of course. Janine. Well, I look at it in two different ways in terms of compost. One is the compost scrap stuff that we use and cooking and preparing foods and things like that and then the bigger compost, which is leaves and yard debris, and, and they're really very separate things. And you're right are that the compost containers for household compost are really quite small. And even though they are sealed when my neighbor put her put serves out, she has to kind of protect against the animals that come in. And they smell there. There is reason why people are real anxious to do compost and they wonder if this little, you know, pale of compost is really going to make a difference, unlike the yard waste leaves compost, which that's a different issue. The recommendation for education is definitely helpful I will I am also I don't have the specific numbers off the top of my head from our life cycle analysis but I'd be happy to share some of the findings we had there that we did find that increasing recycling and composting can have significant impacts on increasing or avoided greenhouse gas emissions. So just thinking from our kind of our greenhouse gas emissions standpoint but I can share some of that information with the board. After this meeting if that is of interest. Yeah, you can probably send that to Michelle and she can send it on to us. That'd be great. Thank you Francie. Any other questions or are we ready to tackle the next up Michelle. Just another thought Francie and Lisa to tuck this away but I think that there are some opportunities within public works overall to look at how we support older adults. I have a solution and I hate raising something without some thoughts in mind but whether it's getting your trash bin to the curve or your compost to the curve or in the winter looking at how you get snow removed so you can take care of that. There are issues over the years with some older adults and individuals with varying level of ability physical abilities who can participate physically, and some of those. And at some point I think it's worth a chat about how do how do we find out who those individuals are who would want to participate but may need some additional support to do that. I think that's the role of senior services or somebody else in making that happen. So, as an example, when my mother was living independently, she could no longer get her trash bins to the curb, but her neighbors did that her neighbors did her trash and her neighbors did her compost or not compost recycle every other week. So we are looking at working more with community and neighborhood resources and talking about some neighbor to neighbor connections, but I think there's some opportunity there to really look at how we support people participating, because the desire might be there but the physical ability maybe challenged in it maybe even particularly challenging during the winter weather. Just excellent. See, yeah, thanks so much Michelle I appreciate that and I think that would be worth the conversation we we work closely with the community and neighborhood resources. And this year are actually expanding a position to have a full time neighborhood sustainability position housed in community neighborhood resources. I think sitting down with us and and Carmen and Wayne, you know, at some point in the not too distant future. I think there's a lot of opportunity there and then and then I do think, you know, I, if there needs to be or it's opportunity for some other conversations with some of our PW and our folks, you know, on the operation side we can sit down with folks to see if there's just some. And that might be more than neighbor to neighbor stuff like you're talking about but if there are some other, you know, small changes that we can make that help help people participate like you're saying that, you know, we can talk about that. Thanks. Anybody else. Francie. Yeah, I just, if no one else has any comments I just had a two more slide one just to share with key dates, as well as a couple ways to continue to stay involved in this effort. That I can share. So just really quickly as Lisa mentioned earlier we will return in May. We're aiming to have this zero race resolution presented to Council in June, and then have the universal recycling ordinance presented to Council in December. We dropped this in the chat as well, but we recently lost and gauge Longmont page. I also put my phone number, the general sustainability email that both Lisa and I will receive, or if it's easier, feel, I think Michelle's always happy to take comments and then forward on to Lisa Charlie and I so thank you so much for having us today. And we really appreciate your comments and ideas. Thank you. Well, so we can move on to the revisit ordinance change request. Michelle. Yeah, this is just a day for Michelle to reflect on all of the things she has not done. So, where the board had made a decision to revisit our ordinance and increase our board membership from seven to nine. And that absolutely took away back burner during coven. So it's time to revisit this is some new players on this board. But this was a decision to really address the fact that the board at that time did not really think the alternate position was the way to go that rather than seven plus an alternate we should just go to nine. So, I sent you out a copy of the current language. It's really just one change which would be the board shall consist of nine members versus seven. Right now the language is a majority of whom will be at least 55 years of age and residents of the city is an overall requirement. So what I need to know from this board is do you want to pursue that. And then this does require going to council it's a charter. There's change it's. And that's fine and we can do that I just need to get it in the hopper and move this forward so thoughts, questions. And we would eliminate the alternate Sheila. You're muted. Just one question. And it's really one word and it's why the board at the time had thought that that would address the all. We just would no longer have an alternate position. Do we have to have an alternate position. Well at the time we got it, we did. Marsha want to jump in here at any point. The new boards can set their own, their own rules. It actually came up I think if I'm remembering correctly as part of a discussion.  The real discussion was have the council interview fewer people and have the, the boards have a bigger part in, in nominating board members themselves. There's a lot of dissent on council about whether that's a good or a bad thing, but everybody agrees that the five minute interviews are kind of insulting, given that the people who apply are usually pillars of the community and deserve more. You know, the answer is that you can decide what would make the best board for yourself. And everybody really does recognize that this is, you know, one of the most competent boards that we have in the city and there's a lot of trust so you know, do what you think you should. You will be doing something more about recruiting and recommending than you are doing now. And while I've got the floor, I have to leave 15 minutes early. So if we have, if you have other questions like to ask me as a council member. I should do that soon. Next week's council meeting has a lot of stuff about LHA on it, if you'd like to, you know, if you're following that, but nothing of nothing that other than that. That's particularly relevant to this board. Michelle quick question. So you're saying with the audience or audit ordinance, you have to put it together and then go to city council can it be sent to city council and then city council just votes by email. I mean this is, you know, to take up your time trudging downtown when it could just be an email vote. So I think the package is that whole section on composition. You have two choices of board. You can keep it at seven. You can make it 25. I mean the number of board members, you can make your recommendation. The second paragraph we would ask to be eliminated based on the prior boards choices there would be no more alternate. So it is about getting it on the council agenda as an ordinance change, and they would just vote at a council meeting. They have to do it at a council meeting they can't do it by email because it's an ordinance that I, you know, I think the council probably needs to we look at that. I mean, you can vote for things important things by email. So that that I'll leave to Marsha to think about. So at this, at this point, it's an ordinance change and I have to get it on the council agenda. And I really just need to know, and you all, it would be helpful to have a motion. Do you want to remove the alternate parent paragraph regarding the alternate from the ordinance. Do you want to change the number of board members and what do you want that to be. Okay, I don't particularly care about increasing numbers of board, the whole reason to eliminate the alternate was that it was basically a non voting fill in position, and most people that applied to the board, want to be engaged. That was the whole reason for this, not that it was felt we needed more people on the board, but that we did not feel that the alternate position was something that most people applying for boards really wanted. Encourage them, let me say, in the way we wanted them to be engaged. Because this was a prior boards direction which I did not follow through on a timely way. I would appreciate some new direction today tell me what you want me to do and if you want me to make the change, I will start the process and make that my motion that we make the change to nine members. That means we'd have a quorum of five and eliminate the second paragraph and just get this through and off the table. I second. It's in your hopper Michelle. You need a vote Susan. Oh, all in favor. Sheila, you're not in favor. In favor of seven not nine. Right so with simple majority favor. 12345 democracy says we're going to nine. Okay. Hey, I will make it happen. Thank you. Okay. And then we move on to the eight March or April resource fair in Landon Park. Interest. Yeah, so we'll be doing another resource fair in Landon Park for the Landon Park neighborhood. There are a couple of older adult communities up in that vicinity as well as just in the community and neighborhood around. There are board members who are interested in being there and being outside with us, we will have a senior services resource table there, and you can just put your name in the chat, and I will get a hold of you. I don't have a date, but generally speaking it will probably be later in April because it'll probably be like an afternoon, early evening, or it may end up being a Saturday. So we make sure we reach folks who maybe have a typical work schedule. So if you're interested in being a part of that resource fair, please just put your name in the chat or email me, and I will let you know when the date gets set. Okay, any other new business from anybody. So now we're on to the supervisor report. Um, I just want to make this really quick. I have a list from the last get acquainted. If anyone is willing to make those calls, Susan, I'll scan it and send it to you. Thank you. There is seven people.  If nobody else wants to join me, I'll do seven. Okay. The second thing is, we have talked about changing the name of the senior center. I talked to Erica, our marketing person, and have tentatively invited her to the April advisory board meeting to start talking about that interest in what a name for the senior center might be. She and I talked about the possibility of maybe contacting one of the local universities, marketing and communications departments to see if an intern might want to take it on as a research project we talked about possibly hiring a consultant. Um, some different options. So I think she is interested and excited to come to the April board meeting if you want me to put her on the agenda for that first discussion about the name. So, Yes, yes, yes. Yes. Okay, any names shout out a name. No nays and then just the last thing is, I have officially put in my letter of retirement and June 3 is the date I have selected so just to let you all know that and that's where I'm headed. I think that's it for me. I know we're short on time. You'll love retirement. Janine, we can move on to you. If you have anything for us. I will try to go very quickly. The area on aging met on Friday, the fourth, just a couple of days after we met. We discussed issues that are coming up from them. And some recommendations they're looking at developing what they call a cupid crew for supporting people that are isolated discussed how they need to recruit some volunteers. They have developed a project and they have developed a website if anybody is interested in pursuing that. There was quite a bit of discussion about the Marshall flyer and how they were assisting people, certainly by trying to get Medicare cards for them and Medicaid cards for them. They had over $5 million that was donated and distributed. And they're starting to look at, as a result of those fires emergency response for especially for seniors. In any area. So, addressed issues with elder rights and developing an ombudsman program that would be independent of a an assisted living or a nursing home to work as an advocate for complaints by both residents and their families. There was discussion about bills that are currently being considered and one that probably won't be passed but was offering $500 to people over the age of 55 to rent out their homes. This creates major concern because of people being taken advantage of and also safety issues in and around a program like this. And once you bring people in your home out and you get them out so they were hoping that this bill would not be passed. I'll know on Friday whether it was or was not. The other bill is a bipartisan bill that wants to develop a commission on aging. It has some very fine goals. Unfortunately, it could be in fact competing for services efforts and monies that are currently being given to the different counting area on aging so much discussion went on about that and whether it should be supported in its in its current form. So, that's it for triple a We'll move on quickly to the friends. They, their new business discussed continuing magazine subscriptions for the front lobby, and they agreed to sign a three year contract so we'll have those magazines that people seem to enjoy The Sunshine Club which provides funding for dental care for seniors is withdrawing their funding and focusing now on children, which was the focus in the beginning. And the reason for that is they're not getting the income that they were and they think it's pandemic related. And then they have a new grant opportunity to get some funding through Frazier meadows, and we'll know next month, whether or not that comes through. So that's the friends report. Anything for the Latino coalition. I just like was saying, like they were saying earlier about the numbers. And for me there. Add information that they are in the data with people that are needing assistance for undocumented workers that they're encouraging people if you're looking at working on citizenship that you call it. Right now, or when at the last being, there were approximately 50 people on the waiting list, and many more coming in on a regular basis. The other thing is Louis Lopez talked a lot about and sing with a mile. So glad that we're going to do this after a couple years. And I think this as a board we should consider putting a booth out for that also. But the other thing that Louis Chavez from from the school district said that there are about 1200 students that were affected by the Marshall fire. And if we know of anybody that, you know, falls into this category, if we have them call the district because they know there's still a lot more out there. And, you know, there's a lot of places that are helping seniors with taxes but I'm just wondering what shall we have that that's your income taxes. Yeah, we're doing them here and in person art and they're busy Tuesdays and Thursdays. We are following the national AARP guidelines so you do have to be masked. You have to get assistance from the income tax volunteers. Robin has put in the chat that our appointments are full, or our appointments are full and we are on a waiting list, but we do have some information about some other support that's out there. And while I had the mic art if I could just add Veronica has been in touch with Louis Lopez, and I think senior services will definitely have a booth at Cinco de Mayo. I just don't have any information yet so absolutely if the board would like to participate in the Cinco de Mayo, a booth that we will have. I hopefully I'll know more, know more about it in April. So we have a presence. Thank you. And I believe that's all I have. Thanks or Julie anything from economic development. Nothing. Okay. David can't talk, but we had a whole discussion on sustainability and engaging caring communities has not met we will meet again next week and have an update next month. Can I just jump in real quick. Michelle, or, or Jeanine, who do I need to contact about the long month you can melt economic development partnership and did we decide that that there's there either getting a hold of me and that they're not that we're not joining those meetings anymore or those meetings are quarterly I think the last one, or the next one is in May, and I did contact them and give them your name and number. Okay. I did do that. Okay. So, Susan there, I did attend the sustainability meeting in Dave's absence and there were a few things that I would like people to be thinking about. The presentation was really focusing on recycling compost but the electrification goals for the city are still proceeding very aggressively. There are some barriers that we all need to be thinking about. First and foremost is that they have their goals for 100% renewable energy by 2030. However, when they did a survey a majority of individual people were not willing to convert what they had until whatever they use be it a gas furnace or whatever breaks down and they have to actually get a new system. The other issue is that 95% of use is residential and only 5.3% is commercial at this time. I think they are working hard to change the building code so that things like heat pumps have to be considered. But it is important to know that as we learned with the fire that using heat pump systems to replace what's already in the home costs about 20 to $25,000. So, even with a rebate $7,000 rebate, these issues may in fact become a barrier for being able to achieve what needs to be achieved in the time frame that they want to achieve it. Another issue to be considered is that we currently get our energy from gas, wind, hydro, and solar. And it's important in electrification that we make sure that we actually have the ability to provide that electricity, primarily with focus on wind and solar because frankly our water levels are going down and what's available with hydro as our drought conditions in the mountains increase really and truly need to be considered and to be looked at. So is it realistic to believe that in eight years we're going to become electrified? The answer is, in my opinion, no. But it's important that we all engage in this and we all seriously think about it in terms of what we can do and what we cannot do. You see Lewisville is going to roll back the green initiatives because they estimated at less than $5,000 where people are going out and getting bids and it's close to $100,000 for some things. I mean, it's a horrible thing that happened but I think it has allowed all of us to really take a look at what potentially is doable and what is less doable or at least continue to have goals but have them be achievable goals over a reasonable period of time. Well, it's after 12, do I have a motion to end the meeting? Motion to adjourn. Seconded by Sheila. Thank you everybody.