Welcome to Planting Commission members, staff and guests. This is the Planning Commission meeting of the City of Columbia for April 5th, 2021. We ask for your patience during this virtual meeting. Multiple staff members are behind the scenes with us today are Lucinda Statler, Planning Administrator, Rachel Bailey, Zoning Administrator, Jonathan Chambers, Land Development Administrator, and Andrew Chambers. We ask for your patience during this virtual meeting. We ask for your patience during this virtual meeting. During the meeting you will see live images or still images of Planning Commission members and the Administrator, however, images of the applicant and the public will not be visible. The public will be able to participate via free methods in addition to watching the meeting. The public may stream the meetings through City TV accessed at www.youtube.com slash user slash Columbia SC government. The public may submit letters and statements via email to COC board meeting at Columbia SC dot gov leading up to and or during the meeting as this account will be monitored during the meetings. The public may participate via phone. You may call<PHONE_NUMBER> and when prompted please enter the meeting code 3506. I'll go ahead and do a roll call. Mr. Frost. Here. Ms. James. Mr. Cohn. Here. Ms. Davis. Here. Mr. Hart. Ms. Hart. Here. Ms. Thomas. Here. Mr. Tupper. Here. And we have a quorum. Mr. Chairman, if you don't mind, I'd like to note a couple of changes to the agenda publication. Okay, great. On the original case number 11, which is a street name change SN dash 2021 dash 001 has been deferred as well as case 13, which is a site plan review SPLAT dash 2021 dash 0012. This is for the point at Chestnut Hill Plantation has also been deferred. Do we need a motion or anything except in the new agenda or? I don't think so. I think we can just proceed. Okay. With those deferred items as noted. So I'll give a brief meeting overview. Applicants with requests before the planning commission are allotted a presentation time of 10 minutes. This time should include but is not limited to an overview of the project case history and any pertinent meetings held this time. This time also includes all persons presenting information on behalf of the applicant such as attorneys, engineers and architects. This time limit does not include any questions asked by planning commission or staff regarding requests. Members of the general public are given the opportunity to address their concerns and intervals of two minutes. This time limit does not include any questions asked by presenters aware of when their time has expired. Planning commission reserves the right to amend these procedures on a case-by-case basis. The consent agenda to approve non-controversial or routine matters by a single motion and vote. Examples of such items include approval of site plans, annexations and street names that the general public will discuss an item on the consent agenda. That item is removed from the consent agenda and considered during the meeting. The planning commission then approves the remaining consent agenda items. So to start off on the consent agenda the first item is the approval of the March 1st 2021 minutes and then under the future land use map amendments that the general public will approve. The next item is the recommendation. Case number 2 which is a 2213 apple valley. This is a request for recommendation to assign land use classification of urban edge residential large lot and assigned zoning of general residential district for pending annexation. The property is currently classified as neighborhood and zoned RS HD by Richland County. Case number 4 is an 80 acre portion on the north side of Percival Road. The addresses are 40 to 40 acres. The next item is the approval of the March 1st 2021 minutes and then under the future land use map amendments that the general public will approve. The next item is the approval of the March 1st 2021 minutes and then under the future land use map amendments that the general public will approve. The addresses are 4621 4635 4651 and 4655 Percival Road request recommendation to assign land use classification of urban edge residential large lot and assigned zoning of single family residential district for pending annexation. The property is currently classified as mixed residential high density and zoned RS MD by Richland County. Under site plan reviews, case number 6 is a land use classification of urban edge residential large lot by Richland County. Under site plan reviews, case number 6 at 366 Lake Murray Boulevard request site plan approval for the construction of an 8,010 square foot medical office building for scent land holdings. The property is zoned L.S. large scale plan development. Case number 7 88 unit multifamily development to colonial creek apartments. The property is zoned RD2 general residential. Under zoning map amendments, case number 8 707 request to resend the parcel from heavy industrial plan development district to office and industrial district plan development district. Case number 9 is 1041 ponderosa point drive a request to resend the parcel from light industrial district to heavy industrial district. And those are all the items on the consent agenda. Thank you, Lucinda. So we've heard the consent agenda. Is there anyone from the planning commission that would like any item removed from the consent agenda hearing nine minutes? Is there anyone from the public that would like to have an item removed from the consent agenda when participating? Please provide your name for the minutes. You can communicate by sending an email to c-o-c board meeting at columbia-sc.gov. Please communicate via phone by pressing star two to leave a message. Please speak in person. We will pause to allow communication from the public. Again, the phone number is<PHONE_NUMBER> and the meeting code is 3506. Hello, Mr. Frost. Yes. I currently do not have any speakers that have any case they want to speak. Okay. I have no e-mails. Okay. No speakers on the line with no e-mails regarding the consent agenda. I'll entertain a motion. I move that we accept the consent agenda. This is Dr. Mandel. Got a motion. Can I get a second? I'll second. All in favor, please signify by saying aye. The ayes have it. The consent agenda is approved. The planning commission will now move forward with those items on the regular agenda. We will use the following outline for regular agenda items. The administrator will introduce the case. The applicant will have 10 minutes to make a presentation. Planning commission may ask questions. The public will be allowed to participate via e-mail, voicemail, in person or via the web. Planning commission may ask additional questions of the applicant. Then we will take action by the planning commission. The next item on the agenda, item number 10, is for the concrete point hd, and it's currently a plan development, residential district, they are hoping to rezone to general residential with a portion of general commercial along Bluff road. So it includes addresses along Bluff, Atlas, Cullover Road, Beamer Loop, Hungry Point Drive, Jerry Lane, as well as addresses along Point Set Loop. So, and this is an undeveloped planned unit development that they're just hoping to rezone to where, to base zoning districts so that they can do some development. So, and staff can answer questions as well as I believe the applicant is on the line as well. Okay, does the applicant wanna speak regarding the request? If the applicant is here, I'd be interested in just hearing a brief discussion of what they're wanting to do. So, and I shouldn't say the applicant, a representative for Bible Way Church, which has the PUD. So, DJ, are you on the line? Yes, I'm here. Can everybody hear me? Sorry, I was on mute. Yes. Yes, sir. So, we're looking at to, and I don't know, we have Michael Healy from Dominion who might be on the line to give you some more information on what we're looking to develop. He's our developing partner with the Bible Way Church of Atlas Road, but we're looking to create some senior housing. And I will let Michael take over from here, but it's a partnership with them to develop some senior housing along the Atlas Road and Fluff Road corridor. Hey, DJ, this is Nick Anderson with Dominion. I'm also on the line and I can take that and I guess provide an introduction to us and to the senior housing we have planned for the site. We have been working with DJ and the church on a rectangular shaped parcel that is furthest to the, I guess, northeast on the map that is shown there. So it's the rectangular shaped piece that is directly across the street from the parking lot of the church. What we have planned for that piece is a 196 unit senior affordable housing project. The project would be a four-story building with elevators. We would do one and two bedroom apartment units and rents would range roughly from about $75 to just under $900 depending on if it's a one or two bedroom apartment. We would also include as part of the project a community room, a fitness center. We have typically a card and craft room as part of this. We have a library and business center. So it's a really amenity rich project that we're thinking here. And we have provided to DJ some examples of other projects that we've developed recently that sort of shows what that space looks like. But that's the general plan for the site there that's kind of furthest to the northeast on the image that you're seeing on the screen now. And Dominium, just by way of background, we have a Southeast region development office that's based in Atlanta. So Mike Healy and myself, Nick Anderson, who are on the line. We work out of our Atlanta office and cover the Columbia market for our company. We don't have a large South Carolina area we don't have a large South Carolina presence right now but we do own and manage some projects in the Buford Hilton Head area. This would be our first in Columbia but we're not new to this type of project. We have a 50 year history in affordable housing. We have a long history of doing this type of housing. So we're very experienced at it and very capable of doing a project like this of this size and magnitude and everything. So we just wanted to be available for questions and kind of give that overview to the extent that there are any questions from the commissioners would be happy to address anything you guys have. And this is DJ from Bob away church. Originally we had a put that was restrictive and so we're just trying to just revise the put so that we can implement this project. I think a year or so ago or is that Rachel and Tim can let us know we revised the put because we're in talks with another development that's taking place with workforce housing on the opposite end of the senior housing within this 80 or so acres we have surrounding the church. And just to clarify this isn't revising the put this is getting rid of the put in 2017. They did carve out the portion that you see is our G2. They carved that out of the planned unit development and instead of continuing to just carve it up after a lot of meetings we all felt it best to just remove the planned unit development so they're not tied to such specific development. So we're just trying to figure out how we can implement patterns in the area that no longer are really applicable or in demand. Thank you staff and the applicants. I appreciate that planning commission. Do you have any follow up questions for the applicant or staff. I have a question. This is Harris come the portion of the existing plan. What is the plan is that going to also go to see three or is that it may be in there. I can't remember where I might have seen that. The portion along bluff road will become C3 while the rest of the PUD becomes RG2. Okay. What is the primary difference in the put as it is now compared to the RG2. It has very specific locations for where certain development is supposed to go. So it's supposed to go in one area. Town homes, garden homes. It's very, very specific in its site plan. So it hinders flexibility. Okay. The portion. One part is already C3 and then on bluff road and then that part extended up will also but also go to C3. Yeah. The C3 was one that was annexed in and so it'll continue on along bluff road just to give some options for because there was a commercial component to the PUD anyway. So it just gives some flexibility there. Thank you. Yep. And I assume that the neighborhood was notified and all of the appropriate signage was. Placed. Yes, we've gotten a lot of calls where we explained that. And there wasn't any. Particular feedback or. Not that I'm aware of most of the calls my staff fielded were just general, what is this? Just making sure it was nothing crazy. So we didn't get any off specific opposition. Okay. And so you know that the church has been working closely with the, the neighborhood and the surrounding community. And the neighborhood is being used as a temporary point, which is the Nate neighborhood adjacent to the property. And the church is directly across the street. So we've been working closely with them just to. So that they are aware of everything that's taken place. Great. Any other questions from planning commission? Yes. I have a brief question. As noted, there's 106 acres of land that's included in this. And I'm a part missing across the street from the church. And can you briefly tell me about what, what's in the rest of the property? I can address the. First part of the question, the senior apartment community that we have planned would be built on 12 acres. And then as far as the plan for the rest of the site, I would have to defer to DJ. And so the current property that's already zoned for our RG to, I believe it is. We are developing workforce housing with about 15 acres, 15 to 20 acres of that, with about 200 workforce development. Apartments there as well. And there is a planning going on right now, but nothing is concrete for, for the rest of the development. Thank you. Any additional questions at this time before we go to. So we'll go ahead and get a public comment. Again, we encourage those who would like to comment via email or the web to begin sending in letters and emails. Email should be sent to COC board meeting. At Columbia SC.gov. Or on the web at. HTTPS. Colin. Ford slash Ford slash public input. Dot com slash COC. PC dash. April or APR 2021. For those wanting to leave a voicemail or speak live, please call<PHONE_NUMBER>. And when prompted, please enter the meeting code 3506. Then you may press star two to leave a voicemail. Or press star three to speak live. Please be sure your computer audio is off to avoid any feedback. We'll give a brief minute to wait to see if any feedback or comments come in via email or phone call. I'm not seeing any emails come through. Okay. And likewise, I do not have any callers wish to speak. Okay. No emails and no callers on the line. I'm not seeing any calls. I'm not seeing any calls. Still no new correspondence, right? And any last follow up questions from planning commission. This is Harris. Is there. Rachel. No more on this. With the property backing up to the Columbia industrial part. Will that becoming a residential use. Place or impose. Any challenges on the people in that part. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. Is there going to buffers or setbacks. The plan unit development had residential in that area as well. It was a very residential heavy. PUD. So. Some landscaping may come into play, but if there's already developed parcels, it's not going to affect those. So, I mean, if there's already businesses in place in the industrial park, we're going to be doing that. So, we have a lot of this kind of work. I don't think there's going to be a ton of new developments. We don't have any new developments there. They won't, we won't change it or make it more intense. Any. Any other questions. Hearing none. I'll accept the motion. Anyone want to throw a motion out there. Mr. Chairman. Put a motion out to prove the number 10 on agenda. Can I get a second? Second. Got a motion and a second. All in favor, please signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed say no. Yeah, I'll have it. The motion is approved. All right, that's going to take us to the site plan that's at 3452 North Main Street, 3500 North Main Street, 1217 Sunset Drive. And 1205 through 1211 Phillip Street. Various TMS numbers. 09112-06-06. 09112-06-07. 109112-07-01. And 09112-07-06. And this is a proposal for the North Main Brewery, which is a mixed use development. And the project will entail the renovation of a 66,000 square foot manufacturing building that will contain a brewery, a tap room fitness center and a catering facility. It will also instill the construction of a 50,000 square foot three-story office building in the demolition of an existing building to create a parking line. The site plan, once you look at the site plan, you will be able to see here. Looking at the site plan, you will see that it entails part of the Avondale right-of-way, which is owned by SC DOT, as well as the city of Columbia as DOT. The city of Columbia, Phillip Street right-of-way, which will be utilized for parking. And I just want to, you know, for the record, that process will be handled through court action. And, but it is also a path for starting the Phillip Street closure. And we have informed them that, of course, that is part of the court action procedure. Due to the size of the development, we've requested a traffic impact study. And the traffic impact study, it's our understanding is underway, but it is not complete yet. And so staff has asked that if the commission considers this request that they give it a deferral until the next month, until we receive the traffic impact study. There are several comments in the case summary. And a lot of them are general in nature. Staff is generally favorable of the request. But again, we're waiting to see what the traffic impact study states with regards to off-site improvements and things of that nature. The applicant is present and I can believe, can explain their case if staff, if the commission doesn't have any questions for staff. So just to clarify, the planning department is asking for a deferral on this. Correct. Pending the traffic impact study, we have not received the traffic impact study yet. So we, from a staff perspective, we can't recommend approval of it waiting on that. Right. So we don't have it yet. Correct. We will have it next month and we could discuss it then. Correct. Okay. All right. So we've heard, Mr. Chambers, do we have any questions, any additional questions for staff before hearing from the applicant? Here at nine, if the applicants available, we'd love to hear any, any additional information. That's. Yeah. Can you hear me? This is, this is white Burnett. I'm a civil engineer with the land plan group. I'm the applicant, but I'm actually going to turn the floor over to Scott. I'm going to turn the floor over to Scott Middleton, who's the developer right now. So he can give you kind of an overview of the project. Then I'll come back online and kind of give you an overview of the actual site. And then can maybe answer some of your questions. Regarding Johnson's comments. So Scott, do you want to kind of give them a brief overview? And then I'll come back online and talk about the site specifics. Okay. I'm a little bit confused because we understood that the staff was a little upset about that. And we had been talking to the city all week, and that was not part of the plan. So I guess we knew need to address that at some point, because there, a lot of this is very time sensitive for us to move forward with this project. So, but just to give you a quick overview, this 62,000 square foot building, which was stone manufacturing company has been vacant for a large number of years. And the city and the community have been looking for something to put in it. It's an historic building that has already been approved for federal tax credits for the historic. It's a large space and it was really difficult really to find the right project to go into this space to be able to utilize appropriately. So we finally settled on putting a brewery in that space and have really been working diligently for almost the last two years on this project. Then as part of that project right makes door to it, we've decided because now it's an opportunity to move our pretty large South Carolina house calls, which is a business that and building an office building. So we have a 53 square foot office building planned on that site that will bring South Carolina house calls and South Carolina, the house called business employee on site about 350 people, but it will bring to the city into into the county about 650 jobs that will be related to this particular building. So that's really kind of the brief overview of it.  And in order to incorporate the proper, the parking areas for both of those businesses, we really needed to have that expanded space, which would call for the closing of Phillips and have it now. And I can get back into some of the site specifics. Scott did a good job of explaining, I guess the overall project. Jonathan, if you want to go and yeah, there we go. The site plan. So just to kind of give you a quick overview, we've actually already been approved by. The board is already appeals for a shared parking arrangement for the office. And the brewery. So those, because those activities won't be taken place at the same time. We've worked with the, the ERC and setting the setbacks of the new office building. We've gotten other variances for bumper yards and that kind of thing. But one of the things that's real important to the developers is to make this both a safe and functional destination site. And so one of the things in, in incorporating these two rows is doing is creating kind of a campus feel the, the access there at Phillips and sunset is actually in the railroad right of way. And so we felt like that was real important to actually move that out of the railroad right of way for about a separate driveway access onto sunset. And we've actually had discussions with the OT about all of this. And so while, no, we do not have the full triple report, we have their comments. And all of these are based on, on their comments. And like the fact the driveway location on sunset and closing sunset or closing Phillips, because of its close breaks, I mean to the railroad right away. And they also love the fact that we're taking over Avondale and that is a right in right out. And then they also love the fact that we'll have dated access North on Phillips to Miller, reception Miller in North Maine. That allows patrons to get to a stoplight. And so while we don't have that traffic study and completion, we have had lots of discussions with the OT to try to provide a workable plan, and it works for everybody. So that's kind of in a nutshell open myself up on the developer for questions. And we also have Josh with Lambert architects on the line as well. If you have any questions about the building. So thank you. Many questions from planning commission to the applicant. I had, I got one question. Do any of the parcels along Phillip street access Phillip street now today? So the brewery owns both sides of Phillip street. So they own a triangular piece between Phillips and the railroad. And then they own their main parcel. And so everything else is owned by the brewery. So so we're not, we're not closing off anybody's access on Phillips that isn't owned by the brewery. And Avondale for that matter. Okay. So yeah, maybe I was thinking about Avondale. Avondale is the road on the North end. Yeah, that's right. And the developer purchased two of the logs on Avondale. And so those are being incorporated into the project. And so there are no other parcels that access Avondale as well. So it's all kind of self contained, which is another reason why it made sense to close those runs. Okay. Thank you for that clarification. Sure. Any other questions from planning commission at this point?  I don't know what, what sounds like a lack of communication, but I mean, in terms of. From my perspective, we. Got this agenda on. Friday or whatever last week. And. You know, it clearly said that. The department was asking for a deferral. So. Don't know what happened there, but. Yeah. Yeah. So the bottom line is that the parking, I mean, the traffic information isn't fully available, though it's partially available, but we don't have any of that information. Is that correct? We sent in a summary of the traffic study and discussions that the traffic engineers had with the DOT. So we felt like we had addressed all of the DOT's concerns and things that would come up. And so, you know, we don't have all the. 100 pages of data that usually accompanies the traffic study. We do have the months and months of the information. Reflected on our plan. You know, with research discussions with DOT. That kind of thing. So that's why we elected to move forward because we did have all that. Kind of in hands of speed, although not. In writing per se. You know, you don't believe the traffic impact study once completed will change anything on your plan as presented today. Not according to my traffic engineer and discussions that we've had with Tyler Clark DOT. They're very much in favor. You know, the biggest issue that they had was actually Phillips. And that intersection and how it sends traffic into. The railroad right away. So, you know, they were excited that was going to go away. And we were pushing a driveway. To be further away from. The railroad right away. And adding that access point so that. Understood. Okay.  And I know staff would. Obviously want to review the traffic report. So, you know, I think that's a good point. And sometimes once we get that, and that, you know, obviously that would be okay. You know, we can, we can move forward with any of this without. You know, DOT approval. And here to. What do you want? So. There is kind of a, I guess a backup. So to speak. You know, we can't just go out and do this really nearly. We got to have DOT's buy in them on this. So, you know, I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that's a good point. I think that the traffic engineer did receive the memo. That's referenced. That was sent from the, their traffic engineer. And our traffic in the city's traffic engineer. Felt like. We still needed the traffic impact study. He is in receipt of the memo. Thank you. Any, any additional comments. Thank you. Thank you. We can't hear any more. We'll open it up for public comment. We encourage those who would like. The comment via the web to begin sending in. Emails. C. Oh, see board meeting at Columbia SC. Gov. Or on the web at H. T. Mas colon slash slash. Public input. Dot com. please call 855-APR-2021. For those wanting to leave a voicemail or speak live, please call<PHONE_NUMBER>. And when prompted, please enter the meeting code 3506. You may then press star two to leave a voicemail or star three to speak live. We do not want to avoid any feedback. We will pause briefly to allow any public input. Chair, I do have one speaker who would like to enter the queue. Okay. Put him through please. This Jim Daniel, can you hear me? Yes, sir, Jim. I'm a real estate broker with top of properties. I do not believe Chris Freeman is on this line. He's the owner of Sox and A couple of concerns. One, let me be sure I heard something right. Did y'all say that there would be 350 people that would be involved in the office building slash brewery that would need parking on site? 350 people? That's, well, not all at one time. This is a healthcare facility that works on tracks. And so that's how many people would be employed. Well, how many people would be there at one time? I mean, you've got a parking lot on Phillips, and then you've got the parking lot that you show on your site plan. And then you've got the brewery that's going to have ongoing operations. I guess one concern from the neighborhood would be where are all these people going to park? Well, we've actually worked out a shared parking arrangement and we've got 180 parking spaces that covers the needs of the facility. So that would be the most cars that would have any one given time would be 180. So what was approved in a shared parking special exception? OK, I wrote a letter to Jordan Stiles with LTC management on March 17, which was the individual that was listed as the contact person for the closing of the road. I also call Mr. Stiles. Mr. Freeman has called Mr. Stiles. We've yet to hear from him as to the plans or answer any questions. For a project that's been underway for two years, this seems to be a considerable lack of communications with the neighbors. Sox and Freeman has a number of large trucks with large pieces of equipment on them that have a very difficult time accessing miller or cook off of Main Street. They typically access Phillip Street as they come down Sunset Boulevard. So their concern is by closing Phillip Street, you've eliminated one of their best ways to get to their operations in the 3,800 block of Miller Avenue. I mean, Phillip Street. And this, I think Greg Minnerton finally got in touch with Mr. Freeman a week ago, but he's been really left out of the loop. And connecting elements also, not connecting elements, there's a warehouse at the corner of Cook and Miller that also utilizes large delivery vans and connecting systems. And they've also raised the same concerns about access to Phillips being eliminated. So we need to address that. My understanding of Mr. Freeman's conversation with Greg Minnerton is that they were going to get back with him. I don't know whether that's happened yet or not. So that's one issue that Sox and Freeman has. And I think one other large warehouse owner has in that vicinity that the elimination of Phillips is going to cause a problem with them. So are you representing the warehouse as well? No, I'm Sox and Freeman right now. But I'm not an attorney.  That's why. Well, Sox and Freeman and the other guys have expressed some interest to me. I'm not necessarily representing them. I've just told them and I've met with them. And they said, well, we may have the same concerns Sox and Freeman has. But right now, I'm not involved with them other than passing on what they told me. Thank you, Mr. Daniel Scott. Let's hear a public comment, please. At the end, you'll have an opportunity to speak again. Please. Any other public comment out there? Emails or phone calls? I have not received any emails at this point. Any other phone calls? And I, likewise, do not have any additional calls. OK. So we've heard some public comment regarding street closures. Does Planning Commission have any additional questions for the applicant? Or would the applicant like to say anything else prior to Planning Commission moving forward? Well, I'm not sure this Planning Commission was about the road closure at that point. I think that was a Department of Transportation issue. I will say there are quite a bit of issues, as I understand with DOT, about where Phillip Street is located now. Because in order to turn right down the street coming down sunset, you would have to slow down and nearly stop on the railroad track in order to make that turn. So it's a pretty dangerous situation. But it would be detrimental to the project, I think, if we have huge, large trucks continuing to flow through that space at fast speeds where we own the property on both sides. I do have a question for the applicant.  Yeah, we put up notices and asked folks to call. This was the only one that we'd really heard from that was related to that. And from the, we've met with the homeowners associations out in that area and others. And they were very supportive of the project. I would say that building has been sitting and there's lots been sitting in people a long time and they're very anxious to see something different change for that community. Thank you. It sounds like there are some concerns, though, with the traffic, lack of clarity around what's going to happen with the socks and freemen trucks and some other concerns. And that's what we're waiting on is a full traffic report. And I guess that still sounds like it's hanging out there. Any other comments or questions to the applicant? Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion. I will move that we defer the item that is listed as number 12 on the Planning Commission agenda. OK, thank you. Got a motion to defer. Any other second or get a second? Got a second. Got a motion and a second. All in favor signify by saying aye. Aye. Any opposed say no. The ayes have it. The motion is to defer item number 12. We want to do a count of that, Lucinda. I'm just I just want to make sure that's clear in the record. And we can certainly do a roll call, sure. Yeah, I'm just not sure who else on the, you know, I would I just want to make sure that. Gotcha. Yeah, no problem. Mr. Cohn. No. Miss Davis. No. Mr. Hart. Miss Hart. Yes. Miss James. Dr. Mando. Yes. So we're voting on deferral. Correct. And so that was my concern. So yeah, I heard one no before. So yeah. Yeah, that's what I was confused about. So just to be clear, I mean, I hate to do this, but I mean, I think so the vote is I'm saying I voted for deferral. That was a yes. And mind she any is every other person that said no was saying that they did not want to defer. If that's not correct. I mean, I guess I just want to be clear. Sorry. Yes. Thank you for that because I did want to change my vote to a yes for deferral. I apologize, I didn't quite understand that vote. No, I think they got all confused. So listen, I hate to do this, but can you do this one more time and just do a roll call and say a vote for yes is a vote for referral. I mean, deferral. And just make sure we go through it one more time because I got, yeah, thanks. Correct. Okay. So the motion is to defer number 12, the site plan approval. Mr. Kohn. No. Ms. Davis. Ms. Davis. Oh, I said yes. Okay. Mr. Hart. Ms. Hart. Yes. Dr. Mandel. Yes. Ms. Thomas. Yes. Mr. Tupper. Yes. And Mr. Frost. No. We still have a motion that passes with five to two. So the case will be deferred. Thanks, Lucinda. I just wanted to clarify it was hard when- Thank you for pointing that out. I just- There were three nos, wasn't it? Three nos, yeah. Yeah, sorry, five to three. All right. Just trying to make sure it's hard in this format to hear. No, I appreciate the clarification. Absolutely. So we'll move to item number 14. All right. The final item on the agenda is a zoning text amendment. It's to amend section 17283C, table three of the code of ordinances to remove the special exception requirement for placement of wireless communication facilities on existing support structures. This applies in residential districts as well as it was a special exception for certain heights as well that is removed too. So it's just the overall special exception requirement is being removed for those. The small cell wireless, what is it? The small wireless facilities deployment act took effect in September of 2020 and that preempts a great deal of local control over the cell nodes. And it states that such review needs to be at an administrative level instead of at a boards and commissions level. So that's where this change is coming from. Okay. We've heard the case summary from Mrs. Bailey. Any questions to staff regarding this case? Here are none. We'll move to public comment. Again, we encourage those who would like to comment via email or the web to begin sending in letters and emails. Emails should go to COC board meeting at columbiasc.gov or on the web at HTTPS colon slash slash publicinput.com slash C O C P C dash APR 2021. For those wanting to leave a voicemail or speak live, please call<PHONE_NUMBER>. And when prompted, please enter the meeting code 3506. Then you may press star two to leave a voicemail or press star three to speak live. Please be sure your computer audio is off to avoid any feedback. We will briefly pause to allow any comments to come in via email or voicemail. Any emails or voicemails on this one? Lucinda or Andrew? I have not received any emails on this one. And likewise, I've not received any voicemails. I also do not have any callers that haven't even wanted to speak. Hearing no comments from the public. Are there any additional questions from the planning commission? Hearing none, I'll entertain a motion. Mr. Chair, I move that item number 14 be accepted as presented. Got a motion to approve item 14. Can I get a second? Second. Got a motion and a second. All in favor, please signify by saying aye. Any opposed, please say no. Sounds like the ayes have it. The motion is approved. Do we have any other business this evening? We do not have any other business that I'm aware of. All right, having no other business, I'll accept the motion that we adjourn. I moved. Got a motion. Can I get a second? I got it. Second, all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed, say no. Ayes have it, the meeting is adjourned. Thank you. Have a good night.


Around Dodge City and in the territory on West, there's just one way to handle the killers and the spoilers, and that's with a U.S. Marshal and the smell of gun smoke. Gun smoke, starring William Conrad, the story of the violence that moved West with Young America, and the story of a man who moved with it. I'm that man, Matt Dillon, United States Marshal, the first man they look for and the last they want to meet. It's a chancy job, and it makes a man watchful, and a little lonely. Well, there ought to be some way to lay the dust along the plaza here. Hello, Matt Briscoe. What is it done once a week, Chester? Sure, and they've mud up your knees for two days, and dust all the rest of the time. Well, I guess that's the price of civilization. What is? Dust. What civilization got to do with dust? Well, dust is growing, Chester. More people coming West all the time. Maybe we ought to move on West ourselves. Oh, where to? Oh, I don't know. Colorado Territory, maybe? Yeah, looky there. What? Well, that sign there, that story there. Laughing gas show tonight. Phenomenon. That's phenomenon, Chester. Well, Stafford Laughing Gas Show, amazing, hilarious admission, 25 cents. It looks like Dodge is getting some entertainment. You see, I told you it was getting civilized. If I could get me the loan of 25 cents, I sure would be there tonight. Yeah, and you'd probably enjoy it, too. Well, there ain't nothing wrong with them shows. No. 25 cents. That ain't a whole lot of money. Oh, you're right. And I could pay back whoever loaned it comes handy. Sure. For a senior pity to miss that show. Oh, all right, Chester, here. Here. Here's your money. 25 cents a quarter. Oh, no, no, no, no. I wasn't hinting or nothing like that. Well, thank you, Mr. Dumb. Thank you. Yes, sir.  Sit down. Thank you. Sam, bring over another picture of beer, will you? Right away, Miss Pity. It's nice to know the laws on its appointed rounds, even if it means friends that kept wasting. Oh, it's dark mad because he had to buy the first picture of beer. He's told Sam to put it on your belt. You know, I believe it. Here you are, Miss Pity. Thanks, Sam. Say, Doc, you know what we just seen down the street? A circus? No. A sign saying there's going to be a laughing-gas show here tonight. That's the same thing. No, Doc. There's nothing wrong with a laughing-gas show.  I ain't ever been to one. I met Mr. and Mrs. Stafford earlier today. They're the people that put the show on. They seem real nice. There's no reason why they shouldn't be. Mrs. Stafford's a pretty little thing. You see, Doc? Oh, pretty enough. I don't want to talk about it. What is it that bothers you, Doc? Have you ever been to a laughing-gas show? No. Did you ever take gas yourself? I did, you? Yes, in medical school. It's nitrous oxide and anesthetic. It's also an intoxicant. Miss Kitty, you're going to be a show? I don't think so, Chester. How about you, Miss Jones? I guess I might as well, Chester. You'll make life miserable for me if I don't. Good. I just can't hardly wait. Chester? Oh, Miss Chichilly. I never last to mention all my born days. They had Lord and Teeters up there on the stage and they'd give him his gas and sniff, you know, out of that contraption of all him bottles and burners and things. He got drunk as a Lord. Lord and Teeters? Yeah, he sang and he danced. He laughed and cried all at one time. He's kind of old to be carrying on like that, isn't he? Well, I'm just as glad he ain't going to be shaving me tomorrow.  Here's your dollar for volunteering. Now, sit down right there. Good.  That's it. Keep breathing in, out, in, out. That's right. It's all right, folks. It won't hurt him. Cloud Marsh ain't so bad when he's asleep. You come to in a minute. See, Mr. Young, when they come out of that gas, there's no telling what they'll do. But if Cloud Marsh comes out his real self, it might be quite a ruckus. It was a favor, Mr. Keep that fully under forever. Where is it? I'm going to smash you for this. Take it easy, Mr. Who wants to fight? I'll fight anybody in the place. Oh, for Cloud! You don't like me. You don't like any of us. But me and my brother will fight you anytime. And we'll get you. We'll get you good. Maybe you better go. I ain't going nowhere. I'll show you. You better help me here. The guys just made him a little argument. Come on, Chester. Let's get out of here. I've got some more apparatus in the back room. The show will continue in just a moment. Well, that dog gone cloud Marsh starting a ruckus like that. Well, Stafford said you become your natural self. And he sure did. Them Marsh boys just want to fight all the time, don't they? There could be trouble from this, Chester. Oh, why? My gracious, he's the one that started everything. But a man like Cloud Marsh can't take being laughed at. He'll make trouble, sure. You know what it says? This is old Fulpert. And I got a simple exercise for them what simply cannot keep in shape, you know? It is called the toe toucher. Here's what you do. You stand with your feet at shoulder width. I mean, don't put your feet on your shoulders because it's impossible. It's not worth the time you're going to waste, you know? Just stand with your feet at shoulder width and your hands over your head, see? Like it was a stick up.  Now, your right toe with your left hand back to hands over your head. This is a stick up, remember? It's all there is to it. Of course, I don't care if I never do it again. Some of you guys may have a little trouble with this exercise. Especially you individuals who cannot see your toes when you look down. But a few weeks of exercises like this and one called pushing yourself away from the groaning board or the table, as the Probean folks say. And you'll not only see your toes, you may even see your knees. And they're kind of pretty, ain't they? All it takes is like, you know, 15 minutes a day. So don't wait, un-wait. Get the slogan. I want to tell you something, boy. Madison Avenue lost a great mind when I was in the Army. So get your surface pamphlet on physical fitness today. And move it. One, two, one, two, one, two, one, two. Hello, Matt. Morning, Doc. There's some coffee on the stove. Help yourself. How was the show last night? I got there late so I didn't see it all. But Chester said I was fine. I suppose Chester got up on the stage and made a fool of himself. He probably would have, but he didn't get the chance. Cloud Marsh took some of the gas and wanted to fight everybody in the place. Then he started crying and busted up all the equipment. It's a good thing those only brothers of his were down at the long branch instead of at the show. They'd have busted up the whole store. Yeah. You know, Matt, nitrous oxides are a dangerous thing to mess with. Too much can be fatal. I remember this boy in medical school who took this... Hey, Doc. Doc, I've been looking all over for you. What's the matter, Chester? Mr. Stafford, he'd been hurt bad. Well, Mr. Stafford didn't say just that he got beat up and she needed to dock down to the store right quick.  All right, Doc. What happened, Chester? When? Oh, I don't know, but it couldn't have been too long ago.  All three who? Yeah, Cloud Marsh and them two brothers of his. He just ought to be tarred and feathered. Mr. Dill and all of them could. Yeah. What in the world was they after beating Mr. Stafford near to death? Well, I told you last night that some men can't stand being laughed at. Come on, Ed. Let's go. Chester, you better come along, too. There's nothing to do now, but let him rest, Mr. Stafford. How long is he going to be like that, Doc? Unconscious, I mean. He's had a bad concussion. Sometimes it takes only an hour or so. Sometimes days. He'd have to wait and see. But isn't there something I can do for him? Just let him rest.  Earl and me don't want no trouble, Marshal. Yeah, but they almost killed your husband. We signed a complaint now and the Marshes had really come after us. Earl wasn't always a man to run from trouble. What? I know who Earl really is. Miss Stafford, I've known her since you first came to town. But how? He's earned his stubble field, isn't he? That's all behind us, Marshal. He's forgot about being earned his stubble field. Matt, what's this all about? Earl Stafford's real name is stubble field, Doc. He had quite a reputation up on the Red River. Four killings. And he did some time for the last one. Marshal, after Earl got out of prison, he come to me in Missouri.  Sick with all the fighting and killing. He pleaded with me to marry him so we could start over. And when I found out he really meant it, we got married. As Mr. and Mrs. Stafford, huh? As long as he was earning stubble field, there'd be no peace. Huh? Does he still have his gun? He keeps it in a trunk, but he's changed. He'd never use it. Not no more. I see. No, you don't. If he ever used that gun to kill another man, even in self-defense, the whole terrible business would start all over again. So he ain't gonna use it. Never. Sure. Second, you're not gonna sign a complaint then, huh? Marshal, I ain't gonna sign nothing. All right, ma'am. And I'm still gonna throw Cloud Marsh in jail until you leave town.  Andrew, they're Marsh boys. They don't like that kind of talk. Well, John Brown come down to Creek and murdered all fire settlers. Now, you ask what over there? He ought to know. That's what he was named for, Pottawater, McCarty. Hey, come to think of it, old man Marsh named the other two boys to the county's day. He was born in two. Oh, Sage and Cloud. You know who you talk to for. You're gonna get in trouble, Andrew. We've been sitting listening to you, old man. You sure feel you're liquor, don't you? Well, I didn't mean nothing against you and your brother's Cloud. No, you didn't mean nothing, but you do like to drink, don't you? Well, I guess there's one or two to get started in the morning. I don't think it one or two is enough for an old man. So I'll just give you this whole bottle. Hold him, Warren. Hold him, Warren. Let go of him. Let go of him. We ain't doing nothing, Marsh. We're just giving old Andrew his morning bottle. Let go of him. You're coming with me, Cloud. Where? In jail. Well, what for? Disturbing the peace, breaking up the show last night. How do you want a walk or you want to be carried? Okay, I'll go with you, Marshall. But I'll tell you something.  Warren J. Bennett again with another little-known item of American military history. The general wished he'd said it, and the reporters gave him credit in the headlines. But it was somebody else who made the greatest ad lib of the First World War. Lafayette, we are here. It happened when the First American expeditionary forces reached Paris, and the French-ass General John J. Blackjack Pershing to deliver an address commemorating the event at the tomb of the military hero Lafayette. Pershing, however, designated Colonel Charles Stanton to handle the oratory, and the Colonel Dooley delivered and concluded his speech. We pledge our hearts and our honor in carrying this war to successful issue. Then, remembering the Frenchman's great help and friendship for America in revolutionary days, he saluted the tomb and called out, Lafayette, we are here. General Pershing was persuaded to speak briefly after that, and somehow the newspaper men put the famous line into his remarks. But the general himself later wrote, I have often wished it could have been mine, but those words were spoken by Colonel Stanton and to him must go the credit. Incidentally, Lafayette is buried in American soil that he brought back to France after the Revolutionary War. Pershing was right, he didn't stay in jail long. Within an hour, Watt and Osage walked into the office with a writ from Judge Bent. They paid his bail, and I had to turn him loose, there was nothing I could do. I had hoped to hold him in jail till the Stafford's got out of town, but since I couldn't, I told Chester to keep an eye on him. Well, nothing happened all that day, and that evening I was sitting over coffee with Doc and Kitty at Delmonico. Well, nothing like a good dinner to cheer you up, even if it is a little greasy.  Of course. How's Mr. Stafford tonight, Doc? I guess he's coming a little alright. He opened his eyes for a couple of minutes late this afternoon, and then he dropped off again. His wife hopes they can leave town tomorrow. Mr. Dillon? Yeah, what is it, Chester? I've been looking all over for you. I thought maybe you'd be over at the long branch, but you wasn't. Well, you don't mind if Matt buys me a dinner now and then, do you? Oh, my goodness, no, but I sure did waste a lot of time trying to find him, and they already left the Texas Trail 10-15 minutes ago. Who was that? Them Marsh Boys, all three of them. Were they drunk? Yes. And he was talking about giving somebody some of that gas a dose of his own medicine, they said. Stafford.  Now, come on, Doc. Chester, let's go. Yesterday I put on a show for you, and you're gonna put on a show for us, Mr. Stafford. Please. You may sing, you may dance, you may make the fool of yourself. I ain't not even calling him laying down conscious in the back room like he is. He ain't about to help you. Can you do this, please?  Now, sit down. Sit, and you take this mouthpiece. No. Please, little. No. That's it. Breathe in, breathe out. No. That's like that. You need a little more gas to put on a good show for you. Let me go. Why, you just ain't nowhere near happy yet, Mr. Stafford. Give him another whiff. All right. Turn around, Cloud. Well, looky there. Old man Stafford got up out of bed.  Now, that ain't no way to talk. Can I go with my wife? Cloud, he's got a gun. Earl, don't shoot. Don't worry. He ain't going to... Don't shoot. He ain't got the strength. Stand away from her. Not likely. Don't you forget I got a gun in her back. All right, hold it, all of you. I'll handle this, Stafford. Can you stay out of it, Marshal?  There's three of us, Marshal. There'll be a fool, Cloud. Now, turn her loose. All right. Now, turn her loose.  I'm afraid of hitting your wife, I guess. Thank you. All right, you two. What, old sage?  Now, you keep on riding. Yeah. You'd better get Earl back to bed. Yes. Did you see the look on Miss Stafford's face when she found out Earl missed Cloud that he didn't kill him? I'd admire to have a picture of that. That was a nice thing you did, Matt. What thing? What do you mean, Doc? Chester, Matt's bullet hit Cloud Marsh in the hand. The shot that killed him came from the other direction. You were aiming for his gun hand, Matt, and you know it. It was Earl Stafford that killed Cloud Marsh. Well, we dug up. Yes. It's a mighty nice thing you did for both of them. Directed by Norman McDonald, stars William Conrad as Matt Dillon, U.S. Marshall. Featured in the cast were Parley Bear as Chester, Howard McNear as Doc, and Georgia Ellis as Kitty. George Walsh speaking. Join us again next week for a special transcribed story on gun smoke. The United States Armed Forces Radio and Television Service.


There can be some changes in the universe that happen regularly at a certain time such as such as a change of seasons or Night and day some changes happen like this But there are some changes which do not have any fixed time and can happen any time such as such as rain a Storm an earthquake or or a flood they can occur at any point in time, right? These type of changes are called irregular changes and there can be many more examples of these kind of changes So regular changes are those which happen regularly at certain times and Irregular those which can happen at any point in time and you can try and relate it to to your activities as well You wake up every day, right? That's a regular change But you might be doing different things in a day You might not do you might not repeat your activity the next day For instance, you might play cricket on day one and you might just draw draw things on day two So your activities might change. That's an irregular change. It's not repeated over a certain period of time Why to do think of some more examples now?


Hi, my name is Lynn Griezmer and I'd like to talk with you about the challenges I see for our town and the contributions I hope to make as a member of the New Town Council, representing District 2. This will be a major transition for our community and I want to help it to go well. That includes listening, finding common ground and moving forward. We have one chance to make a good start. I'm not running to grind any particular acts, but I do have strong feelings about some key issues. I think we need to have a more coherent approach to the linked issues of development, the quality of our neighborhoods and the residential tax burden. Residential property taxes cannot continue to bear so much of the burden for schools and services. I want to apply my experience in economic development to broaden the tax base and provide relief to homeowners. But economic development must serve our values. A vibrant downtown and sensible village centers require better solutions for parking, balancing businesses and housing and respecting our small town character. I also believe strongly in sound stewardship for the school's municipal and library facilities that generations of taxpayers have paid for. Kicking the can down the road on necessary capital projects helps no one and I will be a forceful advocate for balanced and financially and environmentally responsible capital planning. You should know a little bit about me. I grew up in Allentown, Pennsylvania with parents who demonstrated civic responsibility every day. My father was a local attorney and my mother was a social worker and housing advocate who showed my sisters and me what it meant to be well educated, involved and independent. Something that wasn't common among young women back then. By the time I was 18 they had both passed away and I found myself raising two younger sisters. The power of our obligation to each other and really hit home as I went to college, worked and raised the girls with the help of family, friends and social security. My first job out of college was a math teacher in rural Appalachia. Those years made an indelible impression on me about the power of public education and our obligation to bring out the best in every child. After that I spent my career working to build strong public and educational organizations. First at the University of Rhode Island, then as executive director of a seven state educational collaborative and for the past 31 years with the UMass Donahue Institute. Along the way I took a deeper dive into understanding how strong public institutions work through the mid-career program at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government. That's also where I met my husband of 25 years, Brian Harvey, who served on the Amherst Finance Committee and the Select Board making local government part of our daily diet. My record of professional and volunteer services provides a good idea of the kind of counselor I will be. I've been involved in town government as a town meeting member and as chair of two committees working to replace our woefully outdated central fire station and public works building. That gave me the opportunity to help renegotiate the zero energy bylaw, which passed most recent town meeting with a resounding 149 to two votes. For the past decade I've had the privilege of working with the Amherst Survival Center. I chaired the capital campaign for our new building and I am now president of the center where we continue to provide food, clothing, health care, wellness and community. My professional life has been very, very rewarding. I started with the UMass Donahue Institute as a program manager organizing training for union workers and providing services for dislocated workers. As executive director and associate vice president for economic development for the university system, I've led statewide programs in public service and policy analysis, including workforce development, economic analysis, national training and head start, the annual STEM summit and the biannual academy for new legislators. I have no illusions about the challenges the first group of counselors will face, but I love a challenge and this is a good one. The issues we face are not easy and will require careful listening, discussion, creative thinking and principled compromise. This is how I have approached just about everything in my life. Before closing I want to thank Amherst Media for providing this public service to the citizens of Amherst. Thanks for listening and please remember to vote on September 4th and if you live in District 2, I hope you'll consider me for one of your two votes. Thank you.


Good afternoon and thank you for tuning in. I'm Elizabeth DePampe with Stabled American Veterans and I'm joined today by Chief Communications and Outreach Officer Dan Clare to talk about DAV Patriot Boot Camp. This month marks one year since DAV acquired an entrepreneurship program designed for business founders in the military connected community. Now known as DAV Patriot Boot Camp, the program has had an exciting first year. Dan is here to talk about how it's going so far, what's in store for 2023 and how you can support veterans and spouses as entrepreneurs. Dan, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for having me. So DAV hosted its first multi-day entrepreneurship boot camp in October. Tell us what that looks like. Well, October was super exciting. We had a couple dozen, or I should say just over a dozen folks who had been through the program before. So it was kind of a litmus test for us just to meet some folks who had been through before, but also to connect them with some great resources. There we had some folks who were alumni of the program, some folks who were just completely new to the program, but we had great speakers, great mentors. It was a fantastic way to kick things off with people who were already through it. They knew where they were coming from and we were able to provide them some really great resources. So we had great feedback. The net promoter scores for these events have been super high and the folks just, it's a passionate community. They care a lot about what they're doing. They care a lot about giving back and they care a lot about DAV and Patriot Boot Camp as a community. So you kind of alluded to this. We had a couple of events last year. So we had the event for returning alumni and then we also had an event for new founders. You mentioned business leaders and mentors. What kind of feedback specifically are you getting from mentors? The most valued thing that we get actually from participants is the importance of mentorship. That's far and away always the highest rated thing that we get. And we've been able to tap in here. Both events were held here at DAV National Headquarters last year. And what we were hearing from the folks involved, we were able to tap into our local community. We had a bunch of national level folks who came out, people willing to donate their time, but not just their time, their money to travel out here in many cases to mentor folks. And they say it's great for mentors. They're able to look at some of maybe the mistakes or some of the paths that they took earlier as entrepreneurs themselves or working with entrepreneurs and kind of give that advice to people to put them that much further ahead. People love mentorship and it's an area where we need help. I also like to point out that a lot of alumni return as speakers or mentors, which I think says a lot about the program. So after the October event, DAV hosted its first DAV Shark Tank. Can you tell us about that? It was great. You can go watch it through our channels, through our YouTube account. It was fantastic. Every time that we have an event, we have an entrepreneurship pitch contest. And the folks who go through that process, it takes a lot of guts to do that. Even if you're a veteran and you're used to doing some brave things, it's not easy to do. And the folks who participated in our first DAV Shark Tank, they got a lot out of it because not only did they win money, and it's thousands of dollars that are being given away in non-deluded funds. But also they got some great coaching, some one-on-one coaching. Jonathan Cunningholm finished first. And here you have a Marine veteran amputee who's creating a prosthetic device that's going to change the world for other amputees. So it's exciting just to be a part of that. It's something we're looking forward to doing more in the future. And it's also an opportunity if people know someone who's interested in helping veteran entrepreneurs to solicit on our behalf or connect us with some folks who want to sponsor that because it's a responsible opportunity as well. Can you talk about how DAV engages the entrepreneurship community and supports founders outside of these boot camp events? Sure. There's a lot of different ways that we're involved in the community. One of the big ways really is our National Veterans Entrepreneurship Council. So we had Patriot Boot Camp was its own charity. It was kind of acquired by DAV even though it wasn't a financial thing. It was about making that a DAV program. And now we have the folks who are on the board of Patriot Boot Camp as a 501c3. They're now part of DAV's National Veterans Entrepreneurship Council and they bring some expertise. They bring some credibility in that community and some services, frankly. They donate their time and effort to help DAV put things on. In addition to that, we're doing Caffeine Connects. Patriot Boot Camp has been doing that type of digital programming for a long time and that's going extremely well. We have an event coming up the Thursday after this Thursday with tech stars to talk about mentoring on National Mentor Month. But we've had some great, great folks on there. Everyone from an actual ABC Shark Tank winner to just a lot of different folks. And they're really trying to bring an expertise there and provide a service for our entrepreneurs who are able to tune into those. So it's really exciting. Caffeine Connects are really fun. They live on in archives. You can check those out. We're also working with the Small Business Administration and their Veterans Business Affairs Advisory Committee. So that's another area where DAV's just taking some leadership role in the entrepreneurship community and trying to make sure that veterans who are participating as ventures and federal contracting are getting the set of sides that they've earned. I want to ask you what's in store for 2023. But first, what for you is the big win or the big take away from the first year of DAV Patriot Boot Camp? I mean, it was a huge adjustment to become a DAV program. So making that adjustment was a big deal. Getting that community to buy in and stay engaged with us has been really exciting. That I think is a win. And I'll tell you, one of the things that's just fantastic about all of this is that we're bringing in these entrepreneurs and they have all these great ideas. Well, they're coming back to DAV and they're taking their knowledge, their experience, their creativity and trying to move the ball forward for DAV, not just with entrepreneurs, but with other services we offer. So it's been a joy. It's been a thrill really to have Patriot Boot Camp as a DAV program. And we're excited about everything that folks are doing. For 2023, we're looking at three full programs. The next one is in February. And so that's going to be hosted here at DAV National Headquarters. We're looking at it looks like and we'll have more information on this in the future. But in May, we'll have another event likely in Lehigh, Utah. And then we'll have another event in October and those will all be the close to 50 person cohort Patriot Boot Camp style traditional events. And we're also looking at the potential of doing an accelerator event in conjunction with DAV National Convention. That's not locked down yet, but we'll have more news on that. It's going to be an exciting year and probably in terms of programming the fullest year Patriot Boot Camps ever had. Outside of participating as a founder, how can people get involved and support DAV Patriot Boot Camp? We need mentors. Honestly, we're always looking for mentors. We're looking for people with very specific skills in most cases. I mean, a Patriot Boot Camp cohort is going to have classes on everything from legal mistakes to avoid funding, mergers and acquisitions, team building. People with experience in those areas and other areas specific to entrepreneurship are welcome to sign up and reach out to us at info at PatriotBootCamp.org if they're interested in mentoring or they know people who are. We do need sponsors for our events. We've gotten a lot of help. Patriot Boot Camps is our likely sponsor for that event in May, and they're a great company who's been involved with Patriot Boot Camp for many, many years. So there's all kinds of ways to help. And the biggest thing that I'd encourage people to do is sign up to get information from us at PatriotBootCamp.org. That's the best way to connect. You can find information about past events and other resources, but also just get on there and get your name on the list. And we'll let you know when there's opportunities to volunteer or programming or resources that we're putting out there. Great, Dan. Anything else you'd like to add? I mean, just thank you. Thank you to everyone who is involved in the acquisition. Thank you to the Patriot Boot Camp community at large who have been incredibly supportive. Thank you to all our members of the National Veterans Entrepreneurship Council for DAV. That body is going to be doing a lot of great work for us. So we're really excited for their contributions. And thank you for your time too today, Elizabeth. Well, Dan, thank you for being here today. Thank you for all of your work on DAV Patriot Boot Camp. Congratulations on having your first year behind you. Lots to look forward to in 2023. Thank you all for tuning in. 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Live from Cambridge, Massachusetts, extracting the signal from the noise, it's the CUBE, covering the MIT Chief Data Officer and Information Quality Symposium. Now your hosts, Dave Vellante and Paul Gillan. Hi everybody, welcome to MIT IQ. We are in Cambridge, Mass. This is the CUBE, SiliconANGLE Wikibon's continuous coverage of MIT IQ which is MIT's Chief Data Officer Conference. Nikola Havanovich is here, he's the Director of Data Science at Intel. Nikola, thanks for coming to the CUBE, good to see you. Absolutely, thank you for inviting me and having me. So your role at Intel, relatively new terminology thrown around. Data science, it could be argued, has been around for a long time, but you're increasingly seeing that title take shape, certainly over the last three, four, five years. How did it come about at Intel? So I think, generally speaking, the role of a data scientist, it was about to happen. In terms of Intel, a lot of people think that Intel is just a hardware company, but it's not so. We've been in software for a number of years and anything from making investments and developments of open source Linux at the beginning of 2000 and then around 2005, 2006 when the virtual environment, virtualizing environment came about and Intel made a significant investment in the VMware and their line of hypervisor products. And then around 2009, we saw a move to the cloud and if you know, last year we made a significant investment in the cloud era and Hadoop. And we believe that Hadoop is going to, it's a major inflection point and it's going to dwarf all the previous inflection points because we believe that Hadoop's ability to ingest these heterogeneous types of data sources, structured and structured, semi-structured, and it's increased ability to analyze effectively these data sources will continue changing business and how it's done. So what does a data scientist do at Intel? You analyze data obviously, but talk more about how you apply that. So our organization, we are a customer facing organization, right? We are part of the data center group and we work in a number of verticals, right? So we have a number of different, our team works in a number of different, for different organizations and some of the, we do a lot of interesting work. Everything from the healthcare and life sciences arena, FSI, manufacturing, you name it, right? Some of the interesting use cases and as a matter of fact, I'll be giving a talk later this afternoon, one of them is actually from healthcare and life sciences arena and it's about predicting readmissions for the healthcare providers, right? And a lot of the hospitals are interested in doing that because, for example, if the patient gets treated for a specific condition, right, let's say pneumonia, and then 30 days later gets released from the hospital and 30 days later gets back to the same hospital for the same condition, obviously something went wrong and the condition wasn't treated properly the first time, it's called the readmissions, right? And if that happens, the hospital doesn't get reimbursed for the second, neither for the first nor second visit, which is a really, has significant financial implications, right? So a lot of the healthcare providers really looking for the new ways of improving their quality of service, providing the right type of service to the patients in order to reduce these type of conditions. So we have developed a set of advanced analytics, analyzing their different data sources internal, as well as we brought in a number of external data sources to enrich the data sources that they had internally, to build an analytical model to help them predict and prevent the readmissions. When you think of companies that are traditionally in the short list of players, the major players in the Hadoop market, Intel is usually not among them, your investment in Cloudera aside, why should Intel be on that list or how should people think of Intel when it comes to Hadoop in this inflection point you're talking about? So I think that Intel is constantly earning its right to be a trusted advisor in the market. So when we deal with our customers, we often build a relationship in order to establish ourselves as a trusted advisor. And additionally, we are trying to be market leaders in developing new types of technologies and driving the market towards these, letting the market take advantage of these new technologies that arise. So I think that's, I hope that answers your question, right? Well, there's certain technologies you can point to, open source technologies perhaps where Intel has been a major part of that development effort? Yes, absolutely. So during our investment into the Cloudera, we have developed a number of security-based features for Hadoop that were now integrated into the roadmap of the Cloudera. And one of them is called Project Rhino, which enables a cell-level security access controls for HBase, which is a database for Hadoop. So this is something that was developed by Intel. And by the way, Intel, everything that we do, we put into the open source. We are 100% open source, right? So Project Rhino is an open source product, and anybody can take advantage of it. And Cloudera has integrated that into their roadmap. In addition to that, we do a lot of things on the hardware level to make sure that the processes that underpin Hadoop performance run best on Intel architecture. So you think about, you mentioned cell-level security in each base. I can't help but think of a cumulo. I don't know if you're familiar with it. Yes, I am. So help us understand sort of how those fit together. You got multiple open source projects. Is it just sort of put it out there? Can a cumulo utilize some of the Rhino technology? Can HBase utilize some of the cumulo? How does that all sort of fit together? So a cumulo and squirrel company. Local company here, right? They, that's their own separate product, right? That they are going after and they are developing and supporting. HBase, it's part of the standard distribution of Cloudera. If you look at the Hortonworks, they use HBase. They don't use a cumulo. You can use a cumulo on top of those distributions if you choose to. But they are not, it's usually not the part of standard distribution, right? And the same thing for Cloudera. They have HBase as their default standard database, kind of key value store database and they support.  The capabilities of provided by Rhino are similar in terms of cell level security as those that are provided by a cumulo. But they are for HBase and HBase being a standard portion of the distribution of Hadoop from these major providers of Hadoop as that's the value. So how does this all roll up to a business for Intel? So I don't think of software.  Or does this come back somehow to the hardware that the company designs to support these kinds of technologies? Very good question. So at the end of the day, it does come. So first of all, it's all about the customer's experience, right? So we do want the customer, enable our customers from a variety of perspectives. From the business case, of course, we are looking for all of these things to run on Intel hardware and Intel architecture. So we're driving these major markets and the adoption of these major markets of big data market is multi-billion dollar market and it continues growing. So by enabling customers and the adoption of these technologies, our hope is, of course, that it will run on Intel architecture. So without asking you to pre-announce products, can you speak to how these might manifest themselves in Intel chips in the future? You're talking about the hardware? Well, things like optimizing Hadoop or like secure Hadoop or securing Hadoop. Okay, thank you. So yes, there are a number of things that we are doing. One of them is specialized. So essentially what we're trying to do in these cases, we're trying to push all these very intensive jobs that are typical of Hadoop. The IO, the encryption, decryption and other things, heavy analytical cycles, down to the silicon. To give you an example, there is an instruction that is component of the standard part of the chip right now that Intel has, which is set instructions that are called ESNI, that allows you to do the encryption much, much faster, right? To do it on the silicon level instead of the application level. And to give you some numbers for comparison, if you were to do this in the application layer, you could suffer, if you were to do the encryption, the encryption of the data as it's coming in, right, and into your environment. You could suffer anywhere from 8 to 12% penalty. If you do this in silicon, it's probably between 1 and 3%, which is a much easier thing to accept as an organization to keep you safe, right? That's not going to hinder your, usually it's not going to hinder your production process. What's Intel's perspective on, or your personal perspective on Spark? Do you know for Batch, a lot of people talk about how Google and others will obviously map reduce inside of Google. It's sort of old news now, they've moved to Spark, even that Spark being old news now in memory type of technologies. What's your thoughts on Spark? It's ability to change sort of that nature of Hadoop from Batch to near real time. So, no, I think obviously it's extremely useful, right? You do eliminate this unnecessary need in many cases to between mapper and reducer to write data back to the disk and then read it back from the disk for the reducer, right? That's an unnecessary bottleneck. Anytime you hit a hard drive, that's a problem, right? So from that perspective, Spark is extremely useful. So this in memory kind of distributed processing is extremely useful. One thing that I can say, and this kind of goes back to the previous question from the hardware perspective, what Intel is also developed is, and developing, is this capability of using solid state drives to complement main memory.  That means that your Spark processes can fully run in the main memory. So, and to add to that, of course, the SSDs are never going to be as close. I mean, they're not going to be as fast as the main memory. But they're persistent. However, they're going to come very, very close because they're going to sit in the express PCI slot. So that's, that's, that's. And they're persistent, of course, yeah. Intel got out of the memory business many years ago. Is there, are you saying that you can get back and do it? So now we're coming back. We have our Intel brand of solid state drives and a technology which allows to use these solid state drives to expand your main memory to, you know, to enable some of these. Is this technology you're building yourself or are you, are you outsourcing this to, to other companies? Well, that part, this is something we're building ourselves and obviously probably in collaboration with some other parties. I mean, Intel's, you know, your approach has always been to create standards, promulgate those standards throughout the industry and let the whole thing grow. And then you sell your technology into that. I presume that's similar roadmap or playbook for this initiative, this sort of SSD as memory extension. Right. I think this is a very natural and very useful initiative, right? Because as you want to do more in-memory types of analytics and bring the capability to Hadoop, well, nothing is really truly real-time. Things are pseudo-real-time or near-real-time. But in order to be able to do that, there are certain steps that you need to take, right? So, and allowing people to have these large amounts of main memory to support their spire processes or flink processes, right? That is very crucial in the future. There's a lot of talk about Moore's law in the industry. People say, oh, Moore's law, for years they would say Moore's law, it's coming to an end, Moore's law is dead. But I think the industry generally has underestimated human innovation and ability to do things, whether it's cores or however, you know, the basic concept of, you know, doubling performance every 18 months has been achieved. So what do you say? What's the scuttlebutt inside Intel when somebody, you know, you see an article in Wired Magazine, you know, Moore's law is coming to an end or other prominent people or your competitors now, of course, IBM doesn't sell X86 anymore, so they're happy to sort of, you know, talk about that. What's Intel's take? So we are believers in the Moore's law. There are, of course, so I think there is, as you mentioned, yourself. In terms of never underestimate the innovation and the brilliance of people, I think they will be able to come up with new ways, right?  But given that, there may be some other opportunities that we will be exploring in order to address that and keep doubling the performance and keep growing the power to support the overgrowing demand of doing things faster on more data and... I mean, Intel's marched to the cadence of Moore's law for, you know, many decades and it's driven innovation in the industry. You're increasingly investing in software. Is there a software analog to Moore's law? Well, from the data perspective it sure is, right? The data keeps growing exponentially. Of course, unless there's a World War II, then all bets are off, but until then the data will keep growing. I think one aspect of the data and the way the data is growing, right, we all know that people describe big data from the perspective of three Vs, right? Volume, velocity, variety, maybe some people add some other Vs, but one important V gets often left out. It's the value, right? Because even though the volume of the data keeps growing exponentially from year to year and so on, the value present in that data unfortunately doesn't grow exponentially. So you are facing the situations where you have to compute and go through more and more data much faster, right? So that's, in a way, something that you have to live up to if you want to continuously maintain a competitive edge for the business or your organization. So Hadoop is sort of this filter, bit bucket, filtering mechanism, if you will. Does the spark need Hadoop more or does Hadoop need Spark? Well, that's a tough question. I think they both complement each other really well, right? You need distributed storage and you need distributed compute somehow, right? So you need to have them side by side in order to do things quickly, right? You want to bring your compute to the data, not the data to compute. So you want them to be together, right? So from that perspective, I think that's an equal partnership. But then let's not forget, I've heard people say that Flink is going to do to Spark what Spark did to MapReduce, so who knows? You are a real live data scientist and we're hearing, a lot of companies are hearing that they should hire data scientists right now. On the other hand, there are those who say that data scientists will become obsolete eventually. That software will essentially make, will do the work that you do now for the end user, what's your perspective on that? Okay, so in my vision and also this is part of Intel's vision, you do need the right type of big data platform to analyze these humongous throws of data that arrive, right, and that you have. And in order to do that, you need the right type of platform build, right? We see the four key layers of that platform. The first layer is your infrastructure layer and surprisingly, right? This is your networking, storage, and compute. And this is a very important layer because later on if you're doing analytics, let's say on your data that run in an iterative fashion, and during each iteration, most if not all of your data sifts through the network, you better have a good network backbone to support that. Now the layer on top of that is actually where you store the data, right? That's where you bring the data, integrated, mungid, perform, make it available for the analysis, right? Now, and after that, once data is readily available for the analysis, you need the right set of tools in order to take advantage of that data. But not only that, you need the right type of context, right? So you take these analytics or algorithms, you need to have the right context to apply these analytics to the right types of data and execute it, right? So when it comes, in several years, they don't call us data scientists, but they call us something else. There still will be a need for the person who will know which algorithm to take in this specific context and how to apply it to these types of data to get the value to the organization. So I do believe that data scientist role will continue to exist, even if it gets renamed. Well, whatever they call you, according to Hal Varian, they'll call you sexy, right? So, I'll take that. But how do you see it evolving? I mean, as you move up the stack, essentially, does data scientists become more of a strategist over time and less of a technologist? Or how does that evolve? I mean, it depends on the definition. There are some key things that data scientist needs to possess. So the context of the business that you do your analysis in is obviously very important. But also, you're kind of background knowledge, right? So the machine learning, data mining, graph analytics, some statistics probability, and kind of just open-minded, right? So you don't function. Quite often, you have to be unconventional and function outside of the box, right? So this is not about doing different things, doing things differently, right? So you have to be innovative and always come up with new ideas. So, from that perspective, I think, you know, that's obviously an important quality to have. So that's, I think, these different components when somebody's looking for a data scientist, right? Those are something that you need to know. Now, a lot of organizations fear that the data scientists are not being, let's say, readily available or there's lack of us or something like that. And the truth be told, I think it's the same as with any other profession, right? There are a lot of doctors, but to find a good one is challenging. However, these, so for data scientists, I think it's somewhat similar, right? As for any other profession, the education, you know, the university and the educational institutions, they keep producing and they have been producing people with expertise in machine learning, data mining, graph theory, statistics probability, right? All the applied math type of areas. So that hasn't changed. I think the key part is this context, the knowledge of the domain that you're working on that comes with experience. So that's a great point. So what are some questions that a company who's looking to hire a data scientist should be asking itself before they go out looking for people like you? Well, I think it depends on the company, right? It's not an easy question to answer, right? As I described- Obviously the domain is important. What do you want to do? What do you want to accomplish? But what are some other questions? So if they are technically astute, if they are willing to learn, I would say that I've seen data scientists who don't think right off that they have the answer to the problem and have this kind of more open, more agile mindset do better than the people who think that, okay, I'm just going to fit this template to every problem, right? So I've seen that work better. But other than that, I think there are a lot of kind of standard procedures that you still follow. Does this individual fit into the kind of the culture of the organization and the, and other standard things. But from the technological, from the kind of technical perspective, I think it's machine learning, data mining, graph theory, those type of areas are key to have. Just quickly, I mean, your PhD is in machine learning and this is something that I think is not well understood by many people what machine learning is. Can you define it? What do we need to know about machine learning? Okay, so I think there are a couple of portions, right? So you have your data mining and machine learning and simply speaking, a lot of, I guess the bulk of the work that's been done in these two areas is around either analyzing and exploring the data and that's more in the side of the data mining, right? All your kind of exploratory functions and algorithms to help you understand the data and things like that, right? From machine learning, you try to identify specific patterns or specific things you try to learn certain things that are present in the data in order to be able to predict in the future if something is going to work out one way or not, right? So I think it's all about learning patterns and understanding patterns. All right, so we have to leave it there we're up against the break. Mikola, thanks very much for coming to theCUBE. My last question though is your role here at the MIT CDO IQ, what's your take? You're given a talk this afternoon. You know, what's your impression of what's going on here? So far it's a great event. This is my second time attending this event. So I'm really happy to be here. It seems really enjoyed the keynote speaker this morning. Very interesting body of work that he presented. So I was really impressed by that. And overall, I think we have really great audience, great attendees, and I look forward to the rest of this event. That's great. Well, thanks to you for coming on theCUBE. Really appreciate your time and your insights. All right, keep right there. We'll be back with our next guest right after this. This is theCUBE. We're live from MIT IQ, MIT CDO IQ in Cambridge. Right back.