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South Carolina born and bred. Don't take credit for this. You had nothing to do with this. I'm too. What you talking about? So solemn. So solemn. Yeah, solemn. Yeah. And grissen cornbread.  Grissen cornbread babies. Wow, but that's crazy. So that's just naturally built that way. Yes. Wow. Now, is it night? How old are you now? I'm in my 30s. You're in your 30s. You were growing up. Did you always find that your body type was as appreciated as it is now? I feel like when I was younger, it was more appreciated. Really? Yeah. Because it was before you could buy it. You know? Yeah. Oh. Yeah. Because that's my assumption when I first saw it. I, because you have such a slim waist. Everybody's going to YouTube right now. Anybody who was listening on audio has immediately stopped their soundcloud. You know how long I've known Tammy? How long? 20? Maybe 20 years. Yeah, it's been about 20. So you saw the evolution of it. You saw it growing. You saw it growing. It should get out of control. What's happening over here? You're just one of the podcasts. Stop it. I remember when I met Tammy, I met Tammy at Big T's Barbecue. Yep. Right outside of Barbecue. You were doing it remote. Yep. But is this very real? Yeah. But isn't that so interesting? There was a time where you were completely unique and you're not completely unique, but it was very rare. Right.  That wasn't rare back then though. It wasn't. I mean, it was a lot of women in South Carolina that are built like me, you know? Okay. And what's going on down there? We eating cornbread and grits. In the suburbs, I need to take some of them grits to the cul-de-sacs.  You want to have your basketball party in South Carolina? Yeah. Charleston, here we come. But that's Columbia. That's the Metro. Oh, the Metro. Yeah, that's the 803. Okay. Okay. And now when you go to the Gitchy area, is it even crazier? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Because they eat rice too. Rice, cornbread and grits. Yeah. But how do you keep the waist in and then still have a robust bottom? I don't know. I don't know.  Yeah. And I talked to my dad about it.  He's like, just show him a picture of your grandfather.  What? Hold on. It's gonna stop. Really? I got you beat, fam. Let me see. Let me see that body. All right. Turn around. Let me see.  You think? Bring me some of that, damn.  Spray on.   I don't know. I wouldn't know. I wouldn't know. Over here, I wouldn't know. Zero recollection, bro. This is all tuna sandwiches. They never had tuna sandwiches.  Okay? Tuna sandwiches. Central Park West. Okay?  It got me stacked. Oh, man. But that's good. I'm glad that you appreciate the finer things in South Carolina. Yeah. I mean, no, it's obviously your beautiful woman, but it is like so unique. You know, it's something that I've never seen before. It's so unique. You know, it's sometimes like, I think that guys, we get in trouble for like objectifying, but sometimes things are so unique that you have to stare. Like you ever see somebody like, you ever see like a dark skinned, and I'll do, I'll make it male to male.   It's nothing sexual. Yeah.  And I think, well, in your case, I'm not saying there's nothing sexual, but there is, you know, I'm a fiance. I'm, I'm in the same position. You over here talking like, I feel like a magazine just opened up and a person walked out when you're here. Oh, thank you. That's a deal. Damn. That's what it feels like. Whoa. It's just crazy. And it's 100% natural. Yes.  Are you single?  Really? And you want to start dating white guys, you just said. I'm kind of open, open to it at this point. I think you should do some white guys.  Really? Yeah. Yeah. We don't even know how we're going to get in there. Yeah. Yeah. What do you mean?  You know, so it's just like, do I have enough length to really get to the bottom of it? When you see all that.  You don't even know her. You got to get to know her and court her and, you know, see if y'all are compatible. She might not even want to give you nothing. Right. Bro, what happened to you? What do you mean? I've always said that. What do you mean? I think that's the highest level of arrogance for a man to just assume they're going to hit. You know, a guy would be like, I'm going to hit that. How do you know? No, no, I never assume I was going to hit, but if it does go there and I really like you and I'm going to have, you know, a connection with you and we're going to build on something, you're going to need to be satisfied. And I think that's where the insecurity comes from. Like, will I be able to satisfy that girl? I think that's why they're interested. But you never know till you try, right? Exactly. You don't know. I think a lot of guys are intimidated. Obviously not a guy like me. From a woman's perspective, how was that tan from a woman's perspective?   How do you handle that? I mean, I'm willing to teach, you know. If I like the man, yeah. You can teach him.   Well, I'm going to send him back to the streets if he can't say this to me. Yeah, man. What am I supposed to do? We're doing a disservice to myself and to him at that point.  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And did you interpret it as him like trying to help or something like that? Like, he thought you were lost or something? Actually, the other night we were in Times Square. We were in Times Square and this white guy was like, hey, can you help me find Times Square? And I was like, yeah, that was it.   Yeah, around here, you gotta watch yourself. He probably was looking for it for real. So was he in like a Pikachu outfit or something like that? No, no, he was just dressed normally, but he wasn't my type. So I just kind of... I think you need to start dating some white guys. I say this to black women all the time. Just start dating some white guys. Just understand us. You know, you'll find a white guy. I have a great appreciation for you. You can walk all over them and then... I don't want anybody I can walk all over them. It's too difficult to walk all over, you know? I think it's too difficult. No, that doesn't sound fun. No, we've got generational wealth. It's a different thing. Just storm away in this big house. You just keep walking. There's never an end. I think it's too difficult to enter racial date in this climate. Really? Especially with social media. Really? Because as much as we try to act like social media doesn't influence our behavior, it does. So the moment you post the picture with your white king and they start calling you a bandwinch and a sellout and everything else, you start looking at him funny. You know what I mean?  Why? I don't know what it looks like. I just imagine a brat that hasn't been on the grill. A brat, like a hot dog. A brat worse. Yeah, I mean, it's brat-esque. You know what I mean? It's pink. It's different.  Yeah, so it is.  But it is what it is.  You know what I mean? It's fantastic. It's a different color. But we shouldn't judge people for the color of their skin. We should judge them for the content of their testicles. No. Don't judge them. You can work that one better. I was moving. I was moving. I was moving. I was moving. What else I got? What else I got? Come on, Sean. What else I got?  Is this for his character? No. What is it now? Don't judge me for the color of someone's skin. Yes, boom.  Judge it for the content of the cock. The testicle. The content of the testicle. Don't judge me for the color of my skin.  See, I want Andrew to work that one out, because that's one of them ones. That was the content of my testicles.  I got a bar though, right? Yeah, bars. You know what I mean?   Yeah, I think that's good. I think we get Taylor a white boyfriend.  No. Just try it out. You never know. Maybe you could pick up some things with the white guys.  And that's a standard that I, well, you know what? It'll never work. I just think culturally, we're just so different. Yeah, I can't see it. Not for them. I mean, I don't have a problem with interracial relationships, but I just can't see them in interracial relationships. Al? Is the product of an interracial relationship? You are? Well, yeah. My dad's black. My mom's Puerto Rican. Oh, that's like. Now Puerto Ricans have no identity. I see how it is. But it definitely has an identity, but it's like.  It's like the whole town, family's house.  Everything is different. They louder. They louder. The food's different. The culture is different. Everything's different. The language? Fried chicken. You know what it is though? It's not the same because it's not a history of like, you know, animosity between blacks and Puerto Ricans. That's the difference. Yeah. You know what I mean? I mean. We got off to a rocky start here in America. We did get off to a rocky start. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? But we're doing great. We're getting this moving. I'm sure people are doing great. You can have long lasting relationships. And you can have a nice, you know, pinky flesh colored dangling. Jesus Christ. I do want to know why tan bam is single. Why do you think you're single? I don't know. I'm starting to think it's me. Probably. I feel like I'm the fun girl. What's that mean? I'm the good time. I'm fun. I like to laugh and joke, but nobody takes me serious. They just want to have fun with me. I don't have anybody that I've ever dated that wouldn't come back. Anybody. But it just seems like nobody was really serious. Is someone in the room? Is there someone in the room? I'm not speaking. I know this wax is awfully quiet today. How you doing? Wait a minute. Did you guys have a relationship? We was talking about this. This episode has been brought to you by Bluetooth baby. That can't be right. We only three minutes in. No way. Impossible. Fourteen, fourteen. Hold on, hold on. What's going on? Let's get to the bottom of this. Nothing is going on. No, no. This was talking. I'm just speaking in general. But did you guys ever have relations or anything? Why do you think Tammy that... Why do you think nobody's ever taken you serious? I won't say nobody has ever taken me serious. I just feel like in recent years it's just all fun. And maybe it's me. Maybe it's the guys that I'm choosing as well. That's wild though because you're older. Can I ask you one question? There's nothing to do with whatever we were alluding to before. But when it comes to guys like not taking you serious, what would they say?  It was actions. There's more actions than words, right? Right. It's definitely actions. A lot of them weren't. Variety. You're something else. But see, it's wild though, right? Because you're older now. So I would think that the fun girl stuff would have been way back when. I'm just a good time. Like I like to have fun. I like to laugh. I like to joke. And I just feel like people keep me around for that. Are you setting boundaries though? Are you letting guys know you're looking for more than that? I do. Taylor shakes her head. I do. I ask questions like what do you want?  Or do you want a serious relationship? Yeah. And they be like, I don't know nothing. No, not that. They'll say something like, I don't know what I'm ready for. I don't know what I'm ready for. I send God's hands.  It's crazy though. Tammy, Tam-Bam, Tam-Bam is, Tam-Bam is, Tam-Bam is.  What I missed. What I missed. He's just having way too much fun with this guy here. Tam-Bam is clearly beautiful. She's smart.  Yes, I can. And she got her own business. Yes, I did. Yeah, hairdressing. You've been hairdressing for a long time. Long time. I had my own salon. So she don't need nothing other than just love. That's it. Built uniquely. Yes. All natural. You might not have paid attention. That's fair. But I wasn't going to disrespect you by not noticing you. You were seen. There's a lot of men there. Yo, for real, you are seen. You don't have to say that. These men come along. There's always somebody in my DMs. There's always a guy, but it's just never anything real. What's the other constant other than you? What do you mean? What's the constant in a relationship that you can point to? You can be like, okay, that might be the issue. There's something that you do that might turn the guy off. Black guys. Are you too pushy? Black guys. Meaning, meaning, are you too pushy? Meaning, like, I want to get married. I want something. No, I don't come off as, like, desperate, like, and needy. I don't think I do that. I think it might be the type of guys that I'm dating. I really do. What kind of guys do you date, ma'am? Rich, rich athletes, rappers. God. These type of guys. Any, like, chicken farm connoisseurs? Got it. Not in a long time. Not long. A very long time. Rich athletes, rappers. I mean... Not even just that, because it's, like, a professional man. I've even dated, like, guys who are just your everyday guy, but it just always goes south for some reason. And I do have a slick tongue. I'm working on that. You know what that does? Only a sucker, insecure man, to be intimidated by that. Yeah, I mean, usually, yeah, that's an advantage. Yeah. Yeah, but some people don't like that. I want a woman that speaks her mind. I want a woman that's going to stand up for herself. You know what I mean? Because that's the type of person you would want to be the head of your household. Right, but you also need to know... Talking about head in the household. What is a slick tongue? Like, just, you know, I can be sharp with what I say. Oh, got you. Yeah, not like that. I interpret that in a crazy way. Not like that. Just, I can be sharp with what I say sometimes.  Yeah, yeah. And I can use, like, a time where you decided to be vulnerable with me and then... Are you gonna take advantage of that?  Yo, yo, yo.  Yo, son. I'm working on that. I'm honest with you and I'm opening it up to you. Don't use that against me. Right, I agree. And that's something I'm working on. What's the one... Give me an example.  Okay, I had my last relationship. He shared with me that he thought that one of the kids that was his might not be his child. So then in an argument, it was something about the kids.  Whoa. See, and that was... Whoa. That's an example. What happened? Whoa. What was the argument? I can't... No, no, no. What happened? He broke up with you immediately. No, he did not.  I would rather you say things like that. Because I don't cuss men.  How did that make you feel when he said that? I felt bad. You know, I felt bad. I could take it back.  That's right. That's right. That's right. So, I mean, that was a growing thing for me. You know, I learned, like, don't cut so low, Tam. But now I just need a man to try it with. Like, let me try not to cut you. You know? Well, hopefully after this podcast, you might can find somebody. Yeah. Maybe. Well, I'm not... I don't want to find someone. I want them to find me. That's the best way to look at it. That's the best way to look at it. White guys, I'm telling you. Y'all want to get into some positively brilliant?  Can we just talk about Simone Biles already or DaBaby? Let's do it. Let's go. Let's start. Let's start. What do you think? Simone Biles. Simone Biles. I have a question to you. Who do you think went through more pressure in their life? In their professional career? Michael Jordan or Simone Biles?   Who went through more pressure in their professional careers? That's a great question. I don't know because I mean, probably Jordan's... I mean, it depends, right? Because it's different levels. When you say professional NBA, I'm gonna say NBA. Michael Jordan's first seven years probably was hell. You know what I mean? And he even said he had to get physically and mentally tougher. He said that's why he put on 25 pounds of muscle and to beat the Detroit Pistons, he had to get mentally tougher. And then once he got into that mind state, we probably never seen a will like this in any sport ever. He did not lose at all. But he also had to take a break. Yes, he did, Charlie. When his father got killed, because that was too mentally and emotionally draining for him. And not only that, he had won three in a row. And I think he had a conversation with himself, which was, I know what it will take for me to do four. I don't want to play this game and not win. I don't think I have what it takes right now with everything going on. Absolutely. Absolutely. In order to do four, I have to remove myself. Now, I'm not capping for Simone here. But what I am doing is taking what she said at face value, which is, because people are starting to have this conversation like, is it selfish? Is it brave?  Okay. And just to keep everybody abreast of what's going on, basically she pulled out of the group event in gymnastics. And individual. Now she pulled out of the individual overall as well. You clearly about. And so, and people are going, oh, this is incredibly selfish. I don't think it's selfish if... But I don't think it's brave. So like, there's two things going on here.  It is. You know what I mean?  You know what's so crazy about what you just said? It's not crazy. It's accurate.   That's what they say. You will your team to win. Success, yeah.  It do though. To push through. It do though. When you go out there, you got hurt ribs or something like that.  And that's true. That's something that does happen. Football and stuff like that. Willis Reid. Was it Willis Reid? Was it Willis Reid? Yeah, Willis Reid when he came limping out.   In certain places, but it doesn't hurt like she's an individual sport though. No, it's an individual team. Yeah. So yeah, it's individual the thing you do, but all the scores I guess get combined for the team thing.  You're going to hold back the other people, right? So I understand that. But I am taking what she's saying as truth. Like she was mentally unfit.  So I don't think that's selfish. Respect. There is bravery in facing the scrutiny after making that decision. So that I understand is being brave, but I don't think there's anything brave about going, I'm not able to handle the pressure of this moment, even though that pressure is immense. Well, guess what? She didn't say she's brave. Yeah, other people. All she did was tell people her story. You know what I mean? I'm going to tell you something. I respect her so much because I'm 43 years old and I just got to the point in my life where I tell people no. Because it's been times I'm not showing up just because I'm starting to have a panic attack. You know what I mean? I've been sitting at the airport. I remember one time, and I think I told you this before, every flight was canceled because of a snow storm.  I sat at that terminal and caught a panic attack so bad. I'm like, I'm not going. And I was supposed to go shoot at Mac Miller's house. God bless the dead. Me and Nesta for MTV too. I said, I'm not going.  I just let them know like, man, I'm not coming. I can't do it. I want to stay home. It's a snow storm. It's a blizzard. Blah, blah, blah. So for her to be that age to have the language to be able to express that and the education to know what it is she's experiencing and to let people know I'm not doing X, Y, and Z because of my mental health, I wish I had that experience. Now here's my question. Did she put some of this on herself? As far as what? I've saw her walking around with sandals. They had the goat on them. I saw her with a leotard. They had the goat and rhinestones. She was asked in an interview once, can anybody beat you? She's like, I don't know. She was definitely leaning into her own greatness, which I love. I think we all love. We love to see Floyd Mayweather, at least. I do call on himself the best ever. I think it's exciting for us to see these larger in the life characters live up to that. Like I said, there's a pressure that comes with it. You're adding more pressure on to that moment. If it's pressure that makes you not live up to the moment, do you have to take some accountability for adding to that pressure? We're assuming that she feels that way because of sports. We don't know what's got her mentally exhausted. We have no idea. We don't know. We don't know what's going on in her personal life and it's none of our business. We don't know what's going on in her personal life. We don't know what's going on in her family. We don't know what made her take the step back. She could be pregnant. Oh, God. Well, yo, honestly, I was having that conversation. We had that conversation on Flavor, right? It's not pregnant, but think about it. You've achieved everything you need to achieve. You're the goat, right? People recognize you as the goat. You're not going to be any more goaded by doing well in this Olympics. You are ready to go. So you can't be the only person you could be is yourself. We don't believe that gymnastics is a high-risk sport. We just don't think of it that way. I think dudes.  And gymnastics is one of the illest sports. Yeah, but we don't think this is, like, people four feet tall doing it, right? Anything I can't do? Anything I know I can't do like that? I'm just saying we don't view it as dangerous.  Yeah, and they do. That's nothing. When they be in the air doing all of this, I'm like, how is she going to land? Yeah, but it's soft. Like, that's all I tell myself. She was doing it on a mound the other day. She was about to pitch a ball, and she just did a screw.  No, that was a screw.  It was a screw in the back. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was unbelievable. I'm shocked y'all know what back hand touching stuff are. I ain't say back hand touching stuff. I got a daughter. Do y'all feel the same way about Naomi and Saka? Because she... Same exact way. Listen, anybody with mental health issues, you can't tell people why they're mentally exhausted.  But I'm literally just at the point where we can even have that conversation where people understand that language. That's part of the job. Mental exhaustion is part of the job, and the people that can handle that mental exhaustion better than anybody else are going to be the ones that exceed and excel at that job. And I feel like we're in a situation where our brains haven't caught up to what we've created.   And you're talking about right now the most recognizable athlete at the Olympics. I don't count the NBA stars, because they're not Olympians. They're the higher guns. This is an Olympic sport.  And then when they do, I can only name one person in the Olympics outside of NBA players, and that is Simone Biles. I don't know a single full name of another Olympian. I know two. But isn't that crazy? I know Simone Biles, and I know Raven Stunders, because she's from Charleston, South Carolina, the 843. How does she do it in the shot put today, by the way? Oh, yeah, I know Gwen Berry. Who was Gwen Berry? The girl who turned away from the ant.  And I know the women's player. I know Asia Wilson, because she's also from Columbia, the 843. Sure. But you understand what I'm saying. She's under immense pressure. She's a star. That's what I'm saying. Jordan didn't have to go through that. Jordan had the newspaper. He had Sports Center at night, and that's it. You could turn your phone off.  You see the text and articles every five seconds. Right. Not only that, she probably got 10 different deals signed, sealed, delivered if she wins the all-around again. Nike's going to cut her this check. Yeah. And her agent and her family that works for her gets a piece of that.   I saw her say that. I don't know if this was recent, but I read that, and I don't even know if that shit was real. But she said she feels like she's doing it for everybody except for her. Yep. How can you not respect that? Right. And for everything you said, everything you just said is the reason I respected it even more. Because she's at the top. She got all of this to gain. And she unplugged and took a step back because she wasn't feeling like she was where she needed to be mentally and emotionally.  Yeah, that's beautiful. I don't. Especially working so hard. I don't respect it. I don't respect it within the confines of the sport because that's part of the sport. I respect her as a human being, and I empathize with what she's going through. But I also recognize that that immense pressure is what you got to do. Like, if the president just goes, I'm feeling shitty today. I'm not going to be president. We're going to be like, hey, back to work. He probably does feel like that all the time. He just stays home and don't get on Twitter and tell everybody. Well, this president, definitely. I don't know if I can take all the time he wants. But you understand what I'm saying? Like, there are certain positions you can't just be like sad and then stay home. I remember when... But who decided gymnastics was one of them? It's not, except for one week out of the year. Out of every four years.   And if there are things that are bothering you, you got to make sure you weed those out. And I think the greats find ways to do that. The greats focus on these things and study. Easiest said than done because we... Like, when players have bad games now, we don't know why they have bad games. You know what I'm saying?  We don't know what... You know what I think about?  And you've held that against him. He's mentally weak. He don't got it. No, but I thought about it this morning. I'm like, yo, what... Because that's when everybody was saying it was that rumor about... The latte. Yeah. And I'm like, yo, we don't know... How that might have been impacting Bron at the time. Oh, we do know. But no, I'm saying... I don't know. But I'm just saying that's what the rumor was and we saw him play and something was clearly off. Wrong, yeah. So think about that every time you see a player have an off game. Yeah, sure, some people just have off nights. Some people just mentally might not... The head may not be in the game.  What do you think that means? Talking about somebody might be pregnant or something like that.    She's probably playing her future. I think she's 24 years old. She might have a boyfriend, right?  I know my life has been crazy after this. Let's get married.  Yo, when you start thinking about what you could lose, like you about to do this vault. You can land your neck. No more kids. Yo, I love humans. This is why social media is what it is. Why? Because think about all of these different narratives y'all done made up. Made up. You know what I'm saying? Y'all just made up a whole bunch of narratives simply because she said... She don't want to do it. I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it. But it could be all that stuff though. No, you ever thought about this?  Well, Kevin Hart just did that when they told Kevin how he could go to space. And Kevin was like, I'm not Kevin. I was like, no, I got kids. I'm living too good. Yeah. I got a career. Sure. You know what I mean? But in this situation, I just don't know. But I just think that sometimes when a person says, I don't want to do it, that should be enough. Charlamagne, you go cliff jumping now? I don't know. That's my point. So you're telling me if somebody is in a hospital and a doctor just said, I just don't want to do it? How much more you think they got? Please, doctor, if your head ain't in the game, don't operate on me. You know, I hear what you're saying, but what if everybody don't do that shit? Nobody operate on me. Somebody got to do it.  Who else is going to be in her place? Nobody is going in her place? That's fine. But guess what? Heart surgery and gymnastics are not the same thing.   You know what I mean? It's not a life or death situation. It's not a life or death situation. It is a silly thing.   Wax it off. I'll get to the door and be like, I ain't going. We out. Yeah, we should normalize it. We out. But if it was a massive event and it was something really important, you wouldn't show up.  Man. That was my favorite to pull out on. Nah, but if it's a big one.  He ain't going to be there.   I can miss that one. You pull out on the big joint.  You just going to not show up? Well, it's different. You made it sound like the movie was already shot. Nah, I'm saying it's something that you need to be there for. Nah, you need to be there for. It really just depends, y'all. I'm gonna be honest with you. It depends. By the way, a movie is easier to do. You know why a movie is easier to do? Because I'm acting. I can go there and act happy. You know what I'm saying?  You can't be pregnant. Man, what is wrong with you? What is wrong with you? But you just have to think what she must be going through to make this decision. Word up. It has to be something huge, you know? Yeah. She's probably going through some stuff and she's got tons of pressure. But at the same time, it's like your job to prepare yourself for this pressure you're about to go through, right? Like, if you're going to assume the responsibility of being the goat. If you're going to lean into being the goat and that is who you want to identify as, you know, like, I keep thinking about Tom Brady, bro.  Like, everything to lose. One through bucks, me. Sorry, sorry, sorry. Leaving the Patriots, he had everything to lose. Going to the bucks. Everything to lose, bro. Like he's playing hot with house money. Nah, because think about it.  He needs Belichick to win. He can't win without... Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. It's a debate. It would have been a debate more so than anything. And now the debate is over. He took it and he basically squashed it. He's the biggest hater.  Well, I think Michael Jordan is a great example. Michael wasn't any less of a goat because he took a mental and emotional break because his postures got killed. Absolutely. You know what I mean? Plus, we knew though. We knew it was his father and stuff. Nobody knew what was going on. That right there where Wax said is the problem. When we don't know, we have to make ourselves feel better.  It's the same thing with Chappelle. Why would Chappelle walk away for 15 minutes? You don't know what he was going through. Why would Andre 3000 walk away? We don't know what they were going through. Why would Lauren Hilda? We don't know. We can always say what we would do, but none of us have been in that situation. And then once that comes out, everything starts to make a lot more sense. It makes more sense. We just want to know. Because for everything you just named, she's the goat, she got all these endorsements that could have come, all this money she could have made. Why would you walk away from that? I don't care what the reason is, I respect it because I know what she walked away from. And it don't make her no less than the goat. We're going to see a lot more of this, Hill. You're going to see a lot more of this in sports. No, we're going to see a lot more of it in life, but it's a good thing. I'm going to tell you why. If all of us for years have been saying, we have to have these conversations about eradicating the stigma around mental health, right? Now that we're in a place in our society where people feel comfortable talking about their mental health, why would we knock them? A lot of people don't know when they got mental health problems, though. They think they okay. You!  Stop! I ain't crying. I just yell. What's wrong with crying? No. You want me to cry right now? What you doing? Why can't we be young? What you tell me, yo? I cry? Yes. What's wrong with crying, though? I'm at premarital counseling. I'm like crying. What's wrong with crying? I was yelling and crying. What was you yelling about? Just yelling. I want some say-so in life.  Calm down. I don't think men guys... Calm down, breathe. Here we go. Take some deep breaths. Take some deep breaths. Men don't have say-so in life. I was just screaming, which I know is not going to happen. Men don't have say-so? Not no marriage or anything like that. No relationship. Men not going to have no say-so. So I get it. Why don't you have any say-so? Because if you win, you really lost because you beat her. And if you lose, you won because you let her win. Who told you that? The therapist. You learned it. I'm learning. I was a trash therapist. You need a therapist who's going to stand up for you. What? You need a therapist who's going to... No, you don't. You need a nice objective therapist. They're going to get in trouble. No, a nice objective therapist. Do you tell me that you stand up to your girl? Say what? Exactly. I'm going to tell you an ill line. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, right? The goats, the legends, the gods, the icons. They was on breakfast club. Who? Jimmy Jam and Terry... Don't be disrespectful. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis.  Where are they from? Are they Gucci? Minnesota, Minneapolis. Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis, They said the reason they've never had any argument is because when you have an argument, that means somebody wins and somebody loses. He was like, why would I want my partner to lose? I don't want to lose. So they just communicate. That's right. He said they have differences and they communicate their differences instead of having just arguments. I agree with that.  That's a good thing to learn. What? He now used to be invulnerable. See, that's the thing. That therapist peeling back them layers. That's why he yelling and crying. He was grabbing band-aids and snatching band-aids off. And I'm like, yo, that was healing. Be that alone. I was back there while you were asking. No, no, no. It wasn't nearly. It was just covered up. See how many times I told you that.  You know what I'm saying? Because you didn't clean it before.  You put some peroxide, and you was pouring on it. Then you put the band-aid back on, so you can actually heal. Right. But that's the hard part. It's all better. Healing? No, therapy sucks, though, honestly. Oh, Tammy, you just started going to therapy, too? Yeah, I did. I don't like it. It just feels like I'm in an episode of Grey's Anatomy. That's the point.  Every time I just feel upset when I leave. That's the point. I don't like it. It's supposed to make you feel uncomfortable at first. It's growth. Being uncomfortable makes you grow. I guess being in a frying pan. When you're in a frying pan, the food won't be done unless it's cooked. What? If it's not cooked.  Why? We didn't have the night talk about therapy. You said food being cooked, you need it well done. So you got to put it in a frying pan. You got to go through the heat. You got to go through the pain. That's right. That's right. For it to be good. I like diamonds. You got that pressure. Yeah, that pressure. You got that coal. Put that pressure on that coal. I can say a lot of things. I talk about cars that get mad. All right. Therapy will end up being the best thing for y'all. You've been in therapy, right? Yeah. You love it, don't you? You love it? I don't like it. It's not something I like. You know what's nice is just talking to somebody for 30, 40, 50 minutes or whatever and not feeling judged. Just get it out of the system. Maybe I need to do it by myself then because I get judged. Yeah, you should. Y'all should do couples therapy and then individual therapy. But you know what? If you're being judged by your therapist, then yeah, maybe that's not the right one. Give the therapist the right one. I wouldn't say judge.  No, I wouldn't be judging. I'd be like, yeah, you got a good point. And yelling out all these wax symptoms. You know what I mean? I feel like a fried chicken in the house. You know what I mean? I don't have no say on the grease that they put me in the pan with. What? I want to be the stairwell. Exactly. I want to be the steering wheel. I want to be the steering wheel.  I'm subscribing to prescriptions. You need to be seen as a kind of medication. The great thing that I do, I bring props and stuff. I put things around. Oh, I got a hint. You didn't tell me this one. This is great. What is the props?  Like what? Anything. I probably have little cars there. I probably have food and try to do half of the plate is supposed to be for us.  You're supposed to bring food to the therapist office? What you supposed to do? People don't understand unless you bring props and bring a knowledge. With little toy cars? So you're trying to tell a story with the food? They're props and stuff. People don't understand. They act like they're not paying attention. How many happy meals did you buy that come with the toys? No, I got kids. Oh, so you just bring the food? Yeah, I got kids and I got food. It's that easy. I don't think that's how therapy works. I don't think you're supposed to bring the props. I don't think that's how that works. This is not a conjugal visit. I'm just going to talk. I'm talking toys and stuff.  Why? We got one hour. Why? Why? What did the therapist say about your props? No, she loved the way I break things down because at the end of the day she's getting paid for every minute.  She's just trying to keep things cold. She's trying to stay safe. She's like no sudden move. She's probably telling herself, I don't want to say anything that could trigger this guy. It's good the way I do the knowledges and the props and stuff like that. You know, when like, you're trying to explain yourself. Yeah, I'm explaining myself but just bringing more things in. So it's like, like, I do it for dummies, for kids. I want to do it for everybody. You know what I'm saying? I just want to go ahead and hit a wide range of people when I do it. What's the last thing you explain to your therapy?  You don't think everything. Say that again? Not everything. You said that everything? Not everything. Wait, say that again? Because I was getting judged and I was like, that's not smart. That can't be like that. Why y'all think like that and stuff like that. And then I came to conclusion, like, you know what, you know what?  You know what I'm saying? It was like, certain things we just disagree with. Men and women got two different outlooks on certain things. So it's not done. Imagine going to the therapist because you've been going through life thinking that women.   I was just like, why would you think that? You just said that though.   I would say like, why would you say that? Including your mom? No, it's not like that. Let me say it.  I would just say it because I was like, that's dumb. Bust off the cars, bro. Yeah, we ain't suppose. Get the move. Yeah, get the move. Listen, my thing is it's like women and men always argue and all that type of stuff.  I understand that she got a point because that's the way she was brought up. That's the way she moved. Her perspective. That's it.  But now I'm learning that communication knowing that that's the reason why she came like that because of how she was brought up or whatever. But that's all of us though.  That's all of us. All of us are the product of our environments. I get it, but I relate more to men I guess because we went through the same things more than women. So instead of being stupid, that's just her. Okay. Tammy, have you ever dated a guy?  No. Okay. No. This is different. This is new. I just think he doesn't understand that women are more guided by emotion. Y'all are more guided by... No, I don't believe that. You don't think women are more guided by emotion?  No. You're just more vocal about your emotion. We're not allowed to be emotional. You're not allowed. No. Why do you say allowed? Men are more emotional because we don't know how to express... I was... Then we explode. Well, who doesn't allow you to be emotional? You, the world, society.  Yeah, why are you always emotional? Why are you being so horrible?    I'm talking to one of my girls right now. That ain't even your baby. Yeah, okay. All right. Touché. Touché. That's the reason why we can't say nothing. Tuff it up. Man up. Yeah, yeah. All right. You're right. Thank you. Okay, sister. I just felt like a setup. You just said you're right. I'm not used to women saying you're right. She goes, you're right. You're right. So where you going with this? So now you see what I mean? No, I get it.  They do that.  No, no, no. I don't think...  Andrew, please tell them again.  No, no. And don't put this behind it either.  I don't think I'm smart in you.  No, it's not. What's the difference?   I think I'm smart in you. Dumb. Dumb is just like... You're just like me. You're just like me. It's the same thing. It is the same thing. I understand how he uses it differently. Dumb is just not smart.    I'm smart for you. They're the same thing. I don't think they're interchangeable. No way. That guy's dumb.     Dummy is a person. I'm gonna add another wrinkle and make things even more difficult.      That's like...        Get out of here. I'll say that.  So imagine me at therapy saying that. That's all I'm saying.  Yeah, but that's different, though. But the context is different. I don't mean I am.  They're not trying to be funny. They're trying to be serious.    That's what I mean by woman.  Woman.  So you think women are like that. Women is just like that. And they know they get away with it. See, comedians know they're gonna get away with it because it's a joke.   That's not true. You get out of here. This is what I tell Wax all the time. Wax will get upset because he can't get his way with a woman. A certain woman.  No.  Is that what you're doing?  You look so crazy. Is that what you're doing? Yo, this guy is so crazy. Why? I lied. You got another alley-oop then. If it's not the last one. I'm not gonna go too deep in it. This is a serious situation.  Listen, I'm gonna tell you this right now.   No.  I'm around a lot of women, and if I called you that, that probably... Call the therapist right now. We need more therapy sessions.  No. No, no, no, no, no. Okay, let me reframe. Thank you. Not all women. One in particular.   But if you're trying to get this person...   No.  No. Oftentimes... It's not. When I'm like, let's say me and my girl are arguing over something. You ever have it happen where like, it becomes less about the thing you're arguing and more about winning or scoring points? Yeah. Yeah, that's what I... Google argue over this.  We left that alone a long time ago. Yeah, now we just trying to see who wins.  And then maybe taking some, like, time away from it so you guys can come back, like, objectively to it. But to what are you earlier said, like, I think if your girl or anybody's girl does something wrong to you, I don't think it's okay to just beg, okay, you're right just to avoid the fight.   Alex, pull up, uh, never win through arguing. Sometimes that is okay. What do you mean? They just let them be right. No. Not if they do something that you don't like or you find, like, rude or disrespectful because now you're allowing them to treat you in a way that doesn't make you happy. Women shouldn't let us get away with that either. Like, sometimes I'm not even trying to do something that bothers my girl, but if that behavior bothers her, right? Like, I could be like, yo, I'm sorry, bother you, that wasn't my intent, but like, I'm gonna keep that in mind so that I don't have a relationship with you that's constantly contentious. Yes. I'm not even trying. Number nine in the 48 Laws of Power, win through your actions, never through argument. Any momentary triumph you think you have gained through argument is really a pirate victory. The resentment and ill will you stir up is stronger and lasts longer than any momentary change of opinion. So that's what you say is wrong. But let's just discuss our, we can discuss our differences. We don't have to argue. I'm not trying to win. Yada, yada, yada. You tell me what's the problem. I tell you what's my problem. Let's try to meet in the middle on a solution. I agree with you. I think that's a good thing. I think it's harder, easier said than done. For sure. All right, listen to me.  Like I'm not one of these people who can't apologize.  Like apologizing is like the right thing to do, etc. In the moment it might take a second, but afterwards I'll be like, yo, my bad. Very wise thing to do. I could do it. So I think that's one of those things where like, I also expect that of you.  My bad. And I am sorry. So I also want that from you. Absolutely right. Andrew. Girls don't have to do that. No, they do. That's not true. They don't have to do that. One more take things from the grave.   And he was you with him.  So what? You can lie to a woman, but you can't lie to a man. I'm just saying, Bob, we just all did.  We just used to do it. Do what? Just lie to women. Oh, y'all the only person that tell on me. But I'm just saying like, What are you talking about? What's going on? I'm just talking about my whole life. I didn't understand. Shitwax said this and that, but y'all the only person that tell on me.  I'm lost.   I can hear his voice just start to speed up. And show them what you're talking about. You know. If you have a brother from one of your boys, your boy be like, yo, I'm going out with this girl. And my girl call you whatever the case. You know, that happened to you before. That's what I'm saying. You lie for your friends is what you're saying. I'm sure we all lie for our friends before. Which one of your friends lied to you and said that sure fit? He lied to you and said that sure fit. He's my arm. Y'all hear Bill like, can't bam baby. But you know what I'm saying? I know what you're saying. No, you don't know what he's saying.  Listen, listen. I don't understand.  He cannot lie to another man. He can't lie. He can't lie. No, no, no, no. He can lie. He can lie. Why would I tell the truth? No, no, he can lie. But I think what you're trying to say is that like, if you already know that that person is doing that, you're not really asking them a question. The man come to you, he already know. He already know. The girl come to you, and you kind of get away with it like, I don't know. You know what y'all do? What's with your boy? I don't know. Y'all expecting you from other people. I don't know. We get this. That's what he said. That's what he said earlier. Which is not a bad expectation. Treat others how you want to be treated, right? But you'll always be disappointed. See, that's the problem. It's like, it's not wrong to feel that way.  You gotta see what I'm talking about. That's what you're saying. That's what you're saying. Yeah, I don't expect me from other people. Because I've been disappointed so many times in my life. So you expect me from everybody? No, I don't expect nothing. I do things because I genuinely want to do them and I know that at the end of the day, God's not judging me based off how other people treat me. He's judging me based off how I treat them. Three other people. That's it. You know what's interesting is like, sometimes I'll get into this with my girl. It's not even an argument, but I basically tell her, don't... How do I say it? We each do different things for a relationship.  Let's say I'm paying for rent or whatever the fuck, right?  Like, don't count one more because I don't want us to keep score. Just say we both do things and as long as we're both happy with the things that we're doing, I'm okay because you're never going to hear me go, well, I do all this. What are you doing? You realize there's a man how evolved that thinking is. Right, because most men don't think like that. That's right. A lot of us, we feel like we're the ones that's providing the money. It's all money that's paying the bills. So we look at women taking care of kids, taking care of the house like it's nothing. That's their job. That's way hard. I don't look at it like it's nothing. I look at it like we all have responsibilities. That's right. And as long as that responsibility isn't making you feel uncomfortable, if I felt wild and uncomfortable taking care of the home and the bills, if I felt uncomfortable about it, I would have to have a conversation with her and be like, hey, I'd like you to contribute more. Just like if she felt uncomfortable taking care of some of the stuff from the house, she would have to be like, hey, I need you to help out with the dog or I need you to help. And she has. She's like, yo, I need you to help out. You know, I even matter of fact, when we were moving to a new place and we're looking at new places, like we're looking at places that, you know, we're a decent amount of money. And I had to say, I was like, I need to know if you like this enough to contribute. Like, would you value this place so much that you would take some money out? And when she was like, yeah, I would. I was like, you don't have to, but I needed to know that you cared that much. You know what I mean? That's healthy. Now I feel comfortable. Now I got your back. That's all she's telling you. But yeah, I think, I don't know. You guys have always been, we've always spoken about that on a podcast.  But men do that a lot though. That's corny though. That's whack. That's corny.  Yeah, nothing. We're doing TikTok videos all day now. Yeah. I actually have to get better at what you talked about because I have this, like, I think that what women do is harder. Yes. Ah, so you don't think you're contributing enough? No, I think I'm contributing, but I just think what women do is harder. I think taking care of the kids, holding down the house, I think that's way harder. It's way more of a responsibility than what I do. But maybe I need to get on that level where it's just like equal footing. Equal footing, but also like of equal importance to self. Like if contributing that way makes you happy. Who am I to say that you're not doing enough? If I'm comfortable with your contribution and you're happy doing it, we've reached a good place. That's it.  Well, you sound like somebody with money. Not every relationship is like... 100%. 100%. 100%. I'm a very fortunate situation. Yeah. But if you're not, you guys got to find the balance between it and that's just what it is. Or you got to find some of those gaps. That's the hard part. You got to find somebody that, you got to find somebody that love to do what you hate to do. Boom. That's it. That's it. I don't like the way that sounds. No, but it's... I mean, that's... So much, bro. You need a point guard. You need somebody with rebounds. You don't need two people doing rebounds. That could be watching the kids, man. What you mean?  No, no, no, no, no, no. You're watching them. Come on. That's my kids, though. No, no, no. Watching them is different than being with them. Like the other day I was in the pool. And I had my two youngest in the pool with me. And my wife was like, I'm going upstairs. And I'm like, you going? Yeah, yeah, yeah.  No, no, no, no, no. You never like that. But it's just like... It is, man. It's too much.  Don't listen to that. No, no, no.  Like yesterday, I... Sometimes. She went to sleep early and I had the kids and I'm like, the baby is cool. The king is good. But the baby, I can't do nothing with the baby. When do I turn this off? That's the truth, though. What do I do? Like if he's hungry, I can't feed him. I don't have a breast. I don't... Like if he gets a certain age, oh, that's cool. We all day. You want to look for your kids now. Yeah, yeah. But now with the little baby, I cannot do this. I go to work for two weeks straight. You can do it. You can. Before I do this for two hours. And if we... See, that's not fair, though. That's not fair. She needs a break. She needs you to help in that way. No, she doesn't. People who come, she got... I called the nanny because I was tired the other day. Listen, please. There's a lot of... No way, I can't do it. Yeah, this is... I want y'all to know there's a lot of refugee problems because some people don't have... I call the nanny. Yeah, like sometimes she needs you to do it. What we're describing right now, though, is why marriage between culture within the same culture often works is because there's established roles for the male and female in a relationship and those roles fit together like a puzzle piece. Now, I know it's antiquated to say something like a woman has to do this and a man has to do that, right? Yes. Like my pops worked for my mom's business, right? So, it's like I didn't grow up in that specific household, but it is why it works. Like you guys enter a relationship, if you have like a religious or cultural background, it's like, hey, this is what we expect a woman to do in a household. And it's what we expect a man to do in a household. They don't know their roles. Oh, it's amazing. But that's changing so much now. Why is it changing? But here's the thing. It's changing. Because women are... It's not changing, but it's evolving. It's evolving. Yeah, it's evolving. But you need that structure, though. With that evolution, there's some problems. Keep the base. If you've got two people going into a relationship with expectations from the other person, they ain't going to meet up. The dude's going to go, you know what? I don't want to be the breadwinner. I want to stay home kicking with the kids. And the girl's like, you know what? I want to do that, too.  Two point cards. Or I'm going to make the money and then I need you to cook. And he's like, no, you cook. Yep. You go to work and come home and cook. Yep. And you're at home.  You know what's wild? And this is some more talk that's a little bit... But we was in Kabul and my wife had went to go do some souvenir shopping. So, I was at the place with the kids, right? And so, the homie texted me, right? And it was a f***ing text me, right? And she was like, hey, where you at? Why don't you come down to the whatever? And I'm like, oh, I still... My wife gets back because I'm watching the kids right now. And she was like, wow. She was like, I'm in watching the kids. She was like, I'm sure I have changed. I'm so happy to hear that. And I'm like, wow. Wife? Relax. My life is amazing. Relax, young king. Relax, young king.  A lot of fathers watch the kids because a lot of people don't even know what that is. You know what I'm saying? I think you threw up white power. That could have been a blood. That could have been a crowd voice. That could have been a crowd voice. Men in black. No, a lot of fathers watch kids, though. A lot of fathers watch kids now. I mean, a lot of fathers watch kids because they're not with their parents. They're not together all the time. So a lot of fathers do watch kids. But watching kids is not crazy. I don't even like... Yeah, I don't like the term watching you. They're your kids. They're your kids. They're your kids. Not as your kids. Spending time with your family is what we call it. I mean, like I said, when they went, went. That's the thing I don't like. That sounds wild toodle. Spending time with your family. What else would you be doing? Working. How about being home? Yeah, you're right. We're not home. When we're men home, bro. You work 12 hours a day.  There's no home. You go to war. This recent history... We really gotta provide. ...just home all the time. But it's the same for women, too, though. Women always used to be home. Yeah, but now we're working. And now you're pissed. Yeah, we are pissed. I'm mad. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You want to gotta take care of you. You want that. You want the structure. Nothing wrong with the structure. I promise you. I don't want anybody to take care of me per se, but I would... Yeah, you're right. I do. Yeah, man. Come on, man.  I'm not a feminist. Take care of me. Isn't it lit to be taken care of? Isn't it kind of dope? I don't know. But wouldn't you... To have a partner... To have a partner... You do realize we like being taken care of, too. What does that mean? Does that mean financially or...? I think M.D.K. Williams broke it down the best I've ever heard when she said I will be the curator of the house. Amazing. I will be the caretaker of the house. Yes. I'll make sure you got home cooked meals, hot foods. She said I will take care of the kids. Close watch. I'll take care of your kids, meaning even if you got a mother kid. Amazing. I'll be cool about... She was like, but I don't want to pay no bills. Right. I don't want to have to work. That sound good to me. I'm good at it. But that's what we're saying. When people don't have to work. When you know your roles. And I know I'm the point guard. And I know I got to throw the alley to you.  That's not cool. I don't know. Know your roles. I don't know what that means. I'm sorry. Sorry.  Andrew, you don't understand what I'm saying. I understand. Thank you. You break it down in a way that I can do. If you're a point guard, you need to throw an alley to a guy who can dunk the ball. Thank you. So if you got another point guard, y'all just going to throw an alley to each other. Nobody's going to dunk. But point guards can dunk, too. We understand that, but they usually don't be the dunk. But the metaphor, like you don't want to see Chris Paul dunk, right? You want to see... You're honest. Yeah. You want John... You want John to dunk the ball. You want Chris Paul to throw it to him. But you expect John to dunk, though, right? That's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Expectation. So you expect the woman... Okay, I get what you're saying. Jesus Christ. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All y'all do is be a little dumb. Yeah. You're overthinking it, bro. You're overthinking it. So smart.  So you want to pass the ball to your girl so she can dunk it is what you're saying? Or you want her to pass you the ball? If I'm... If I'm John is I'm supposed to be the one dunking the basketball, all the dirty work and stuff like that, being down there and doing what I got to do downstairs. Yo, she's supposed to be up there dribbling the ball and make sure everything good. Yeah, I actually think the... You saying the woman is the point guard, right? Woman is the point guard all the time. She's the head. You know what I'm saying? She makes sure everything is good. We make sure we do all the dirty work. We go to work. We make sure the lane is clear for her to come in and drive and score points first. Not all the dirty work, though. No.  You ain't changing no diapers. But that's traditional gender roles. That's her score on points, though. Her changing, her cooking, being able to cook. We do all the dirty work since you get the money for the food. Our jobs got too easy. Now, I'm not saying what we do is easy, but it looks easy. Like if I ever post on my story of what's happening at the studio, my girl thinks I'll never get any work done ever. She's like what?  That's what I'm talking about, man. Boxel at T's and Alex. Like, we don't... We just play games for them, right?  Exactly. Yeah, that's all you did.  Like you did nothing, right? So, I think what happens is like when that's the perspective, it's easy to think what you do as a woman is much harder.  You know what I'm saying? Yes. No. Yes, I'm sure. Hell no.  Feminism just popped up after coal mines. No, bro. They closed the coal mines I'm sure. No why?   I promise you, bro, it's more... She also wasn't at work at all, you know? Who was? The woman whose husband was in the coal mine. She was always at home. That's the thing. Yeah, these women are working every day. They have to do everything that you're doing and still come home and take care of kids. Why do you think that? You think that these people came home from the coal mines and the wife didn't...    Let me ask you something. Do you think that women try to go ahead and get all this money because they don't trust that the guy's going to provide or protect or beat it with them forever? Absolutely. That's what I think it is too. We have to have our security, you know? Especially as black women, where a lot of times we come from families where our moms were single parents, a lot of us. So, we feel like we have to provide for ourselves, you know? Even when we have a man, we still have this little safety net. So, whenever you just let go as a woman, you're basically saying, I'm giving all to you and I think we're gonna be together forever. We're gonna make this work. It's hard to do that. It's hard to say, I trust you wholly to... But why would you say... Tammy bought him a good point that you're missing, bro. Talk to me. The fact that you probably saw that happen with your mom in her relationship. Trauma. So, being that you're traumatized, you are just expecting this guy might not be around anyway. He might walk out and... Let me go get mine. Let me go get mine. That's a great... But then you look at certain cultures where, like, the dudes stay, 100%. They don't leave.  Like Latin women. What's Latin women? What's Latin? Like Puerto Rican, bro. Yeah? Yeah. No, mine is good. Yo, what else is Puerto Rican? They Latin what else? Oh, my God. Caribbean? What else? What else? Ask your fiance. Ask your fiance. I know, but no... Spanish? You got so many... Okay, Spanish. Obviously Spanish from Spain. I never heard of what you said before at all. African? Native American? Indian? Yeah. It's the whole...  It's the whole diaspora. It's the whole diaspora. They're children of the diaspora. Okay, so what do we think about the baby though? Let's pay some bills and come back and talk about the baby. Oh, let's get it. 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You want to come out? Bring out. Bring a nice white boy. Okay. Have a nice date. But yeah, Charlotte, come out. Dallas, Houston. We added some shows. Another one in San Francisco. Added another one in Chicago. Added another one in Austin for the special taping. That's dope. Philly, just go to the Andrewshows.com. You get the full list of shows. And yeah, thank you guys so much for selling out all these shows. And it's pretty incredible. I'm excited to perform in these venues. It's going to be wild. So we're going to do some things to fill the space. It's going to be very special. Hazard, big tour money! Wax, you got instruction after this? Sir, go get that Who's Wax and Dispensaries in LA. I got my gummies outside. I gave Charlotte some. I know you're going to really like these. It's like the Delta Aces that you're going to store. So I'll be in stores out here. How many milligrams are there? 20 milligrams. So, you know. Eat half of that, you know what I'm saying? Because I had somebody eat one yesterday. It was gone for 12 hours. They was gone. So, yeah. I got the Who's Wax gummies out here. And also I got the paintball fight. And I want to do the paintball wars. The podcast wars. So, I'll get your teams up. I'll get your teams ready. And let's make it happen. It's really dope. We also got the bully and the beast. I want you all to listen to us every Wednesday and get that Patreon so you get it on Mondays. Tam Bam, you got any treasure announcements? Yes. You know, listen to us. We talk back. It's on Black Effect Network. Hey! Yeah. Just tune in to us every Thursday. You can find us on Apple. You can find us on Black Effect. And anywhere you get your podcast. There you go. We talk back. We talk back podcasts with Tam Bam and AJ. And make sure you go to blackeffect.com. Also Anita Copax, Shallow Waters will be out August 3rd. I don't know why I have it. I don't have the copy of the book with me, but it'll be out this Tuesday, August the 3rd. It's a young adult fiction book. It's a young adult fiction book about the African deity of the sea, Yemiah. And it'll be out this Tuesday on Black Privilege Publishing. It'll be out this Tuesday on Black Privilege Publishing. Atria, Simon, and Shoes too. Everywhere you buy books. But you can pre-order. If you're listening to this on a Thursday, you can pre-order the book now. You can pre-order the book now. Or you can just wait until Tuesday when it comes out on August 3rd. All right. Now let's get back to this show. Now we had Adam Mussari. Adam Mussari? I want to talk to you about that. Let's discuss. You guys had the CEO of Instagram, Adam Mussari. Yes. I met him a couple of years ago, actually. And I love how you guys asked him about Boosie and getting his Instagram back. Boosie ain't never getting his Instagram back after what he said about Lil Nas X today. Wow. What did he say?  For what? For dancing in front of men. Exactly. Why should that matter if those men want him to dance in front of them? People just need to mind their business, but go ahead. Well, there's no male strip clubs out here, right? Yeah, there are. Chippendales. Then why he not mad at them? I don't know. Yeah, exactly. There's a lot of other people that Boosie could be mad at. Yes, it's silly. I don't know. You know what's so genius about what Lil Nas X is doing? Is that outrage marketing is the most effective type of marketing, right? Like that's how you get eyeballs, quickest to anything because it's something people are passionate about. And if people are passionate about something, they're going to talk about it. I don't think he's talking. I don't think he's trying to spark outrage. No, no, no, no. Not necessarily. Maybe I give a little pushback there, but that being said, what's genius about what he's doing is that he doesn't have to fake the thing that people are outraged by. All these political pundits that lean into these positions, they may or may not really believe, but they know that it could lead to dollars. But that's why they don't want to rip. Right. But Lil Nas X, the beauty of it is that the thing that people are outraged by, he actually really loves and is passionate about. But that's my point. He's living his truth. Yeah. He's being who he is. Yeah. And it's causing people to have strong opinions about it. That's every great everything. Yeah. And he's on the right side of history. That's right. Whether you're a pundit, sports analyst, radio personality, podcast host, if you have a strong opinion, right? People are going to agree. Some people are going to disagree. But as long as they have some type of strong emotion about you, you win. 100%, man. That's it. 100%. It's just so, it's cool to see it work out like that. Like we just seen all these like political hacks, like pretend to believe certain things because they know they could give them a career. And it's nice to see someone be like, nah, I'm gay and I'm cool with it. And then all these people, how the fuck? And they try to like, they try to fold it into all these other things.  That's the most hilarious thing where they're like, oh, I'm religious. And how dare he talk about the devil? And this is like, bro, you had nothing to do with when Hellboy came out and Hellboy 2 came out and we didn't see you. We didn't see you anytime. We didn't see the devil anywhere. We didn't see you anytime. We see the devil anywhere. You violate everything in the Bible. Literally. Every single one. You violate every single thing in the Bible. Look at what you upset about, bro. It's real. Yo, I'm telling you, it's the weirdest thing in the world to me that people care about other people's sexuality that much. I hear heterosexual men talk about who gay men are sleeping with more than I hear gay men talking about who they fucking. It's the strangest thing. Yeah. So I was just curious about what your thoughts were about their like policing policies. And like, I also thought it was interesting what you were saying about like, should they be regulated? They definitely need FCC rules and regulations. And explain what FCC is and like, give me that whole break now. I think people think that when I say FCC rules and regulations, I'm talking about censorship. No, I'm just talking about that there should be certain policies that broadcasters have to follow like this. I can't say anything. You know what I mean? Howard Stern couldn't say anything when he was on Terrestrial Radio. Russell Limbaugh couldn't say anything. You would be held liable for certain things. I get lawsuits presented to me all the time. I get cease and desist all the time. Not all the time, but I've gotten them before is what I'm saying.  There's not rocket science here. I give pushback about that because I love the freedom, but I think it's not freedom. No, that's my point shows.   There's no freedom of speech. Freedom ain't free, but you're allowed to do it if you could pay the price or... Yeah, really not, though.  Everything is supposed to be a joke. That's right. I'm saying things that I'm basically going, hey, I'm doing this for comedic intent. You always get out. But even comedians get in trouble, though. Yeah. I hear what you're saying. It's a little different. It's a lot different.  What about this idea? This is something that I've been thinking about a lot. I saw it happen in music and I'm curious to see what happens with the other social media platforms. But for like a five-year period, the record companies that usually dictate and control who the superstars are in music didn't have control during this whole sound cloud area where everything transitioned to music online. And then you saw a bunch of artists pop up that were really just promoted by the people. The people really listened to their music and we pushed them to the top because they're like, oh, this is what we like indulging in. And now that the record companies have figured out how to manage streaming and developing those relationships and the playlists are the new function, the similar way that like radio function back in the day. And they've basically found a way to get control again. And they can like blacklist artists if they want. They can basically remove artists from the playlist. And that's where the streaming money comes from. And that's where dictates album sales and all those other kinds of stuff. And that's where they found their control, right? When it comes to like social media, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube, all these different things. TikTok is a perfect example. TikTok is like real strict policy, right? On like what you can and can't say certain words. And what they do is they basically have an AI, right? Listen to every TikTok you post. If they hear certain curse words, it flags it for review and then it could just take the audio straight off or whatever. But they took me down because I was burning Polysanto on TikTok. There's probably bully and assumption. They thought it was a sick. They thought it was a joint. Oh yeah, exactly.  I did five. I was doing five positive tips as I'm burning the Polysanto and they took it down. And you know what? I guarantee that's an AI that just recognizes what it looks like, right? No different than like a camera can recognize your car running a red light or something like that. So they just see it looks kind of enough like weed. Okay, let's take the video down. So my concern with TikTok, right, is TikTok right now is the fastest place to grow your audience means the algorithm is so robust.  You noticed that?  It's unbelievable, right? So if a creator wants to get attention, they're going to work within these rules much like back in the day with TV. If we want to be funny on TV, we got to work within the rules of TV. We can't use certain cursors. Different networks. You got cable, you got screaming. You got all 100%. Right. But what that means to me is these young creators are now going to be creating within the confines of the TikTok algorithm. So TikTok dictates what comedy exists on its platform and affects how comedy will exist kind of on all platforms. If that's your main one, right, you're going to continue to do things that are kind of like this. Same thing with the Instagram algorithm and the Instagram policy and the YouTube policy. The more constricted those policies get, the more they curate what comedy is and then what other art forms are, what music are. For example, if they just say, hey, if you curse some of your music, we're not playing that show on Spotify. Guess who all of a sudden ain't going to be cursing that much. Yeah, but guess what? It'll be a million other places that will play. Like we're acting like these rules and regulations don't already exist and we haven't been living with them our whole life. But here's the thing. We went away from them and there was this period of freedom where we could have a crazy podcast and I could build an insane career not only from this podcast. Did we go away from them? Son, YouTube and all this freedom, everything was free for me. I could literally go from doing like a comedy club with 50 people in it to doing theaters with thousands of people.  I think you're putting yourself on the same level as a broadcast at all. Dave Chappelle's not Dan Rather. Dan Rather, you know what I'm saying? Here's the difference, Dave Chappelle. Not to cut you, but a guy that's as big as Dave Chappelle is worth the risk for the network, right? So like the network will go, okay, we're gonna have a bunch of trans people that are gonna be very upset about this joke that he says, but he's so prolific that it's worth any pushback. Yeah, but broadcasters, news announcers are different than comedians. It's a different license. It's a different way to do things. If Dave Chappelle gets on TV and says fucking, well, nowadays it's different, but if Dave Chappelle gets on TV and tells people some misinformation about the vaccine, it's like, oh, that's Dave Chappelle. So somebody on CNN, MSNBC, Fox. That's important. A radio show gets on there and says it's trouble. That's an important distinction I should have made, which is like we have a little bit more artistic license. Like when we had Alex Jones on our podcast, we basically put up a disclaimer and we were like, yo, this is fun. Don't trust any bit of science here. Weaver. Don't trust, sorry. Don't trust any bit of information. Like we are doing this for parody, I think it was called, right? And we're protected under the parody laws. And YouTube basically has a law that says, you're allowed to bully. I don't want to phrase like that.  That's bullying. But both people are signing up for it. So it's okay. It's not going to be looked at as like sexism or hatred or something like that. I guess I'm saying is, and I'm curious what your guys' thoughts about this is like, at least for comedy, because that's the thing that's nearest and dearest to my heart, is like how much will these algorithms and what they say is okay and not okay to say, affect how the comedy of the future is portrayed.  That's number one. And there'll always be a platform for it. We're acting like it's not uncensored platforms. I'm talking about specifically FCC rules and regulations for broadcasters. Yes. So because the misinformation is what's ruining the society right now. Not the comedians, but are we broadcasters now here? Yes, but we're not doing news. I'm a comedian. I'm not a broadcaster. We're not doing news is what I'm saying. Some of these people set up their shows and they talk like they're news casters. They talk like they're reporting news and they've got stories about people. They got this gossip and they're like, who, like, no. That's a good-ass point. It's like, if you are operating as a news source, then you should have the same responsibility. That's all I'm saying. The news source has. But if you say, hey, this is a comedy show and this could apply both for the breakfast club, this could apply for Flager and a really neat. It's like, if we're saying, well, breakfast club's a little bit different because there's journalistic portions of it, but there's also just comedy. I've gotten lawsuits for literally giving somebody donkey of the day for what they actually did. Yeah. Like, literally, they actually did that. But that's tricky. I think you should have artistic license of the donkey of the day. I think you should be able to make jokes and it should be comedy. But at the same time, if you're interviewing a guest, I like the fact that you have the expectation of that being traditional journalism. So it's like, if I'm you, I'm like, no, this is conflicting. Don't give me one set of rules. For this, I'm doing comedy. For this, I'm being a journalist. All I know is I'm a broadcaster. And so being that I'm a broadcaster, there's just consequences and repercussions to the things that come out of your mouth. All I'm basically saying is but everybody that feels like they want to do this, they should have to deal with the same cost that we have to deal with. Right. Because all of these people feel like they're on the level, right? They think it's an even playing field. Like, oh, we got our YouTube show. You got your radio show. You got your pocket, whatever. Okay. So since you think we're on an even playing field, let's be on an even playing field with the FCC rules and regulations.  That's not even true. The people are terrified. Like if you just say, every single day you start your podcast or your title of your new show, whatever it is on YouTube is like, a new variant of COVID is killing eight out of nine people. Bro, I saw a headline yesterday. It's like, of course I'm a click it. Bro, I saw a headline yesterday that said, woman gets legs amputated after getting a vaccine. And they got, that happened. It just had nothing to do with it. It had nothing to do with it. Like what the fuck? Right. It just happened to be after. Yes. But I clicked on it. And I was like, Click V. Have to. Yeah.  But I just want everybody to have, comedians and musicians, creatives, they're different.  You think Wendy Williams ain't never got sued? I don't know.  That's really interesting, especially when you answer the blog, to the blogosphere. Like what expectations do we have for blogs? At least have some, man. The shade room, like do they have to tell the truth? Do they not? Listen, everybody's entitled to have their own opinion. You're not entitled to have your own facts. I don't know. No, you can't have your own facts. You just can't. If there's actual facts out there, you have to report the facts. That's interesting. That's it. You can have your own opinion all day long, but you can't have your own facts. And you can have your own opinion about the facts. Yeah. Just report the facts. Make sure you got the facts. Even if they say, Hey, this is just gossip. Yes. Oh, it still has to be facts.  Oh, yeah. Because back in the day, that was considered planned and defamation. You know what I mean? I don't know how the laws are now, but back then, absolutely 100%. I didn't know that. You couldn't just say anything? Chloe just, who did Chloe just send a cease and desist to? Probably me.  All I'm saying is I just want everybody, it's got to be some rules and regulations. I'm not talking about censorship. I understand what you're saying. I think that that would resonate more. I think when people hear censorship, obviously we're fearful, because we're worried that we can't say certain things. I still want you as a journalist to say certain things on your network, and I don't want them to be censored by the government if it goes against what the government might want. I think that's a fear. But you just basically like, hey, if we're out here calling ourselves the bearers of truth, let's make sure that we got some truth. That's right. By the way, there's nobody that y'all love. Everybody that y'all love. I guarantee you, they were on TV and radio. They played in that FCC. So they know exactly what it is. From the limb balls to the sterns to whoever.  And I thought this was really interesting. I think like Norway said that they were proposing a law. If you are using Photoshop to augment a person's picture to sell a product, should you have to mention that in the ad? Yes. I agree too. Right. What you're doing is you're falsely portraying how the product works or how someone looks in it. Like 100%.  It's like, do you look good in your skin suit? Or do you look good after Photoshop makes you look good in the skin suit? Right. And it creates like an unfair expectation of what you do. But that's kind of the same thing you're talking about just physically. That's like, you're presenting something that's not real that is making people feel uncomfortable in a way.   Absolutely. You do? It's fun. It's like a thing now for girls. Everybody loves the filter. But they go away. You think it'd be less pictures? If it go away, you think it'd be less pictures? No, it wouldn't be less pictures. It's fine. It's another one. People might be unhappy, though. I know a lot of women would be unhappy. That's the other problem too, man. I'm telling you, social media is impacting people's regular human behavior. My mother's got low self-esteem, insecurity, self-worth. I'm watching other people's shit, though.   Women are literally going to the plastic surgeon with a filter picture and stuff to say, make me look like this. I don't even think we realize the impact social media is having. You said something earlier when we first started this convo. I forgot how you worded it. But they really don't understand the power that they hold. Bro, they do understand, and that's what's scary. I don't think they do. Adam said yesterday, Adam said, when we first started this stuff, it was just like an outlet, right? But he was like, and when I asked him, should they FCC regulate, he said, yeah, because these platforms have turned into broadcast networks. I'll be honest, it's bigger than broadcast. Easily. Broadcast was filtered, right? The talent that we're going on broadcast?  At seven o'clock, you have five people who tell you the news. That's it. On five different channels. Those five people had to tell you the facts. They had to say facts, or they had to at least, you know, disclaim in some way. They had to at least share the news as they saw it with the information that they had. But I think that social media, since every person is on it right now, I think you almost got to look at it like a utility, like water, you know, like. It's a tool. Yeah, but like, I think it's got to be, I think there has to be somebody at least looking after it in the same way like you can't just give people shitty water. You know what I'm saying? That's the FCC. So I'm not one for censorship. I'm not talking about censorship. I'm talking about regulate rules. It's like an N1 player that can ball out and haul them. But he get on the NBA court. It's different. It's different. But how about this? If TikTok, now they say that they're not owned by the Chinese company, it's completely separate. Sure. But if TikTok starts getting rid of any video that's critical of the way that the Chinese have, you know, imprisoned the Uyghurs or anything like anything critical of China, right? What did you say? The Uyghurs. Andrew said at 207. Wait a minute, Andrew. At 207.48, he finally said it. We got him.  Oh, it's pronounced Uyghurs. I saw that. I thought that was a good one. You got a hell of a backlash for that. No, no, it's anything.  No, but do you know the word I'm trying to play? Uyghurs. Yeah. White people that want to be black. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I caught that. But I didn't know what Uyghurs looked like. I knew what Uyghurs were. I didn't know what Uyghurs looked like. I was lost. The Uyghurs are the Muslim Chinese. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know that. Concentration camps. But yeah, so it's like if a bunch of videos on TikTok are up there criticizing them for that, and then all of a sudden those videos disappear, you know, like Reddit is, I think, I think owned like 50% by like China or something like that, or they owned some large stake in it, and you can't find a video about free Hong Kong, whatever, on Reddit without it getting wiped off of any page. So like there's going to be influence on these platforms.  Would you let that happen? It's a utility now. Yeah, some of these people would be lying though, because yesterday when Adam was on, people were saying like, they take down all the free Cuba stuff and all the, you know, free Haiti stuff in Palestine. I'm like, I see that on my page all day long. What are y'all talking about? I mean, I see both sides represented, but I don't, I see it all the time.   At this point. And yeah, it's easy to say, yeah, it's great that we got creatives and comedians and this and that. Now it's way bigger. When you got world leaders on Twitter tweeting. But who decides truth? That's the tricky thing. Like government decide truth? I don't want that. I don't think the truth was hard to find. It is, bro. They get to decide what the truth is. Man, we got so much video. The problem is there's so much truth. I can find some truth that supports you. I can find some truth that supports me. But the reality is most of the truth fits in the middle. I mean, like when we're doing the Netflix special, those turn your phone videos, we would kill ourselves finding the truth. It would take the longest part of that whole process is just finding what really happened. What's real.  Yes.  People want confirmation, not information. I don't think that's truth though. I just think that's information that's out there that confirms whatever you think are. Well, that's what people want. They want the information that confirms. But they also want to match what they said. Exactly. That is the problem. 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I think my boy Ben Uyeda was the one who came up with this theory, brilliant guy. He built this studio for us with my boy Mike Montgomery as well. But he said, you gotta look at it like your diet, right?  It was like hamburgers, fries. They said everything was fine for you. Cigarettes were fine for you.  But like there was no nutritional facts that were put on the packaging or nothing. You just ate everything. Everything was fine.  You won't have a man. You won't have a man. Obviously, very bad. So we started going, okay, I gotta ease up on certain things for my diet so I can be healthy. And I think the same thing goes for information. Like what if we get to a point and Ben was saying that he's like, why don't we get to a point where we could distill what is healthy information and what is unhealthy information?  Maybe you don't say he can't say that, but you can say something like, we can't confirm that these things are real. I'm not exactly sure what the censorship would be or how it is, but I do understand the idea of a healthy diet. That's it. And that's what the FCC... Of information. The FCC will make sure that there's a healthy diet of information that is screened via social media. But did that, I mean, are they doing that for the channels that exist right now?   None of them are truthful. These are the ones that are monitored by the FCC. Matter of fact, if you didn't have independent media, you didn't have guys like Rogan and shit, they were actually letting people speak and giving a platform for truth.  I think Fox, CNN, MSNBC, they all know how far they can go. Yeah. They're not gonna ever step over. And don't get me wrong, Fox gets sued quite often.  As they should. Absolutely.  What happened? You gotta go? No, I just want some water. Oh. They all...  Simple as that. Like, get fined something. I just want people to have consequences.    They're alternative facts. You can't sue social media. That's the problem. Those platforms aren't being held liable for the false information that they're spewing. I asked Adam that too. Do you think y'all should be held liable? We're like, nah, we're just a space for people to put this... No, he didn't say no. He just said that, you know, it's tricky. But the same way if I... They don't just say... They don't say Charlemagne. They sue Charlemagne. They sue Charlemagne. They sue I-Heart. You know what I mean? They sue Power 105. Like, there's entities that they go after. It should be the same way on social media.  I'm coming after this person for slandered defamation and liable and malicious intent and the platform. Because y'all gave them the platform. Yeah, I disagree. I-Heart only has so many employees and only so many employees they're actually saying things. Whereas Instagram has probably billions of people that are on it. They don't. You can't possibly monitor billions. Well, that's their fault. Who faulted that? They making all this money?  So somebody monitoring something.  Right, right. I hope not. Alright, let's do some asking idiots, guys. Thank you. You guys tell us what you think a good idea would be, man. I am actually really curious to the answer. I think FCC rules and regulations have to happen, bro. I just really do. Especially for social media. Only because- And mainly because of their broadcasters. Not because of the creatives, the comedians, the musicians. Music is never going to be censored anyway. It's the freaking broadcasters. You want news. You want news to go through some sort of filter where hopefully there's some truth in it.  Sing about whatever you want.  I don't think that many people would disagree on that. It's just finding who the arbiters or truth are going to be is tricky. Okay, what we got?  Man, I go- Tell jokes back and forth with myself. That's it? Yeah, to smoke weed with myself. Really? Freestyle rap with myself. Oh, can you freestyle? No. But on drugs, I think I can. What if you was with yourself, Tami, and you were like, damn. I see why you single. I don't like you. Oh, you know, I guess that would be a good way to have some awareness about who I am. Just to sit down with a clone of myself. That's actually a good thing. Now, we all should do that. Like, you can look in the mirror and have- I'm about to say it. Why don't you look in the mirror? You'll be two people. Yeah, it's not the same, though, as having a conversation with a clone. You're going back to- Right.  That's the hardest thing. It's so easy for us to keep it real with other people. How real can you be with yourself? Yeah, that's true. Like, because you know you're better than you. No. You know what I do? I just tell myself- You know better than you than anybody else does. How real can you be with yourself? You know what you do? Just bring yourself all the way down to the bottom and then anything else would be a little bit better. Like what? Just keep telling yourself that you're not the best and everything like that and then everything else that do happen. Anything somebody tell you would be better than what you think about yourself. But I'm just talking about being honest about your flaws. All of them. I think you need- All of them. Physically, emotionally, spiritually, mentally, everything that's wrong with you. That's hard. I don't think you should. No? What? Something must be wrong with me. I think you should be kind to yourself. But you should be honest with yourself, too. Yeah, I think you need a certain amount of honesty and I think you need a certain amount of delusion. And I think that you have to like find that balance and I think the delusion is what's going to drive you. Drive you to go. Like you got to be delusional to think that you should just talk into a microphone and then millions of people will just listen and be entertained. Gonna have balls.  I don't think that's delusional. Because you're delusional. But no. Yeah. Because you're delusional. No. That's why you don't think it's delusional.  Somebody said I was good at it so I just kept doing it. By the way, and I've never had the mindset you have to like me. No, no, no. What I'm saying is like... More for entrepreneurs, though. Yeah. If you want to build that thing, right? Like if it helps like thinking big, dreaming big and not really just blacking out what the criticism of that could be because if you want to be 100% real to yourself you could sit down there and think of all the reasons why it wouldn't work. I do, though. Yeah. 100% I don't. No, you can't do that because it's like a cancer. Once you get that negativity, it can just feed on itself. I don't even go that way. When I hear that, I do not even let that tap into me. I keep going forward. Like why should I just sit there? I know I'm delusional. Look at all the companies I've always got. I'm always got something going. I'm very delusional. No, you're not. Because listen to what you just say. It's not like we don't hear it. Right. We dismiss it. You know what I mean? So you can tell yourself why this wouldn't work, why that wouldn't work. It'll be other people telling you why it won't work, why it won't work. Like whatever. I'm gonna still give it a shot. Yeah. But that's what he's saying. I'm delusional to think that all these people are going to be grabbing who's wax. I'm going to different companies. I don't think that's delusion. I think we're using the wrong word. Yeah. Okay. So maybe it's not delusion, but basically what we're saying is like in order to do great things, you need to think differently than people, right? Outside the box. Yeah. Yeah. So it's like, and all of us have a little bit of that in ourselves and that allows us to have like a huge advantage over those people who go, I could never do that. There's so many people trying to do that. I've never thought like that in general, but I do recognize that some of my thinking might seem to others to be delusional, but to me it's completely reasonable. Like completely reasonable. You know why? Because it's your dream. Yeah. Right. Then it's no longer delusional. That's right. Exactly. But other people might think it. They might describe it that way. To me it doesn't seem that way. I think God designed us all a certain way. He all gave us something. And when we tap into that something, we accomplish our goals in our dreams. Somebody, something tapped into you and said, you know what shows? You should be a comedian. Yeah. Something hit Tammy and said, oh, she should be a hairdresser. Something hit Wax and said, Wax, you should be Wax. Because there's nobody that can be Wax. Right? I'm serious.  So it's just like, what's that thing?  A mermaid. A mermaid. What's that thing just turned on? You can't turn it off. Yeah. So that lets you know it's a part of you. What if you heard somebody got five, four times from the same job? Would you like think like, maybe that job isn't for them? No, I'd have to know. I'd have to hear the reasons. I'd have to hear the reasons. What if a rapper gets dropped from a label four times? Do you think he's still trying? I'd have to hear the reasons. Alright, maybe that's different. I understand what you're saying. Because one way to interpret that could be, oh, this is not for me. This is a sign from God. And then another way, someone who might have a little bit more dreaming in their thinking or delusion, whatever you want to call it, might go, nah, this is just the road less traveled and it's harder to get there. And these are all travel tribulations that I get there. I guess sometimes you need to have enough insecurity where you want to improve and be better, but you need to have enough delusional confidence where you keep on track and know that that's the thing you must do and nothing will stop you. You got to be done. What if we just call it confidence? Yeah, confidence. Yeah, confidence. That's what it is. I'm using delusion as like a hyperbolic term.   Exactly. Are they really crazy? No, but that type of thinking might seem crazy to someone who is... I always say stay dumb. If I'm too smart, I'm going to go past it or something like that.  A smart person will not be there. Because they're going to look and be like, it'd be too difficult to get into the week market. Yeah, they read the books and worry about, oh, this is going to cancel you. When you're reading all that shit, it's going to definitely deter you from all the things that way I went in. I went in a totally different way. You know what I'm saying? Amen. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Those kind of like a forest-gump kind of thing.  If I was smart, I would not be doing the things I'm doing right now.  No, I don't think it's dumb. I know that way yet. He has like a forest-gump thing kind of going. But I'm just saying, if I'm not smart... No, no, no, forest. He's like smart but presents himself. Yeah, literal all the time, but just exceptional at the same time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just know myself. Do you? I do. I think therapy is paying you apart. No, it's not. Listen, I know exactly... I'm pulling back those layers. No, I know exactly who I am. It's just that that's what I do the things that I do. I don't try to do things that, and that's not my land, that I know I'm not supposed to be there.  Now, see, that's an interesting tool. I know my place. Shouldn't you step outside of your lane, though? He did. But he started doing weed.  I was doing chickens. We were talking about it. Chicken farm. This is like, you ever heard somebody do anything that I do? But you just said you're staying in your lane. I stay in the lanes that I know how to do. You see me raise the book anywhere? So you like chicken? You like paintball? I'm just saying these are things I don't mind doing outside the box, but you're not going to see me be like, oh, I'm about to be a librarian.  Yeah, all right. You know what I'm saying?   No, it's not. It's actually going to make your brain even better. I don't... I like to put other things in my brain. All right. Like experiences more than like words. I got you. Okay. All right. Very revere the advice from my guys on how to get over a six year relationship with my girl ending. Wow. That's you, Tammy. How's that mean? Somebody told me it was in three six year relationships earlier. That was not me. Somebody just said that. Somebody just said that. Six, six, six.  You're right. Yeah. Yeah. You got to... Damn, bro. Watch a lot of porn. It's going to take three years to get over a six year relationship. Yeah, no way. Not for a guy. To fully get over it takes half the time. Not for a guy. To fully get over it. Nah, you be out of there in a minute. Just next time you like a girl, you don't even have to...  You're going to get under something. You can be all right.  Once you like a girl, you're going to... It might be a career change. It might be something else. Does that work for y'all? It might replace something else. It might replace a job. That love might replace something else with a guy. Six years? Ouch. I don't know. Also, how small a town? Do you have to bump into her and shit? Yeah. You'd probably get a wife. Maybe that's why New York is easier.  Now you're going to be all right, bro. You're going to be all right, man. Find new people. That's it? More penises? And then we try to be better. So usually when we break up with someone, we try to get in shape, make more money, look better. That makes us feel better. What he's missing out on. Yeah. You could have had this. This could have been us. Y'all. That's what we do. The get in shape part is the most important. Yeah, we all do that. We change our hair. We start getting in shape. If I'm only checking on you on social media to see how you look. So you start looking that girl. Are you glowing up? I'm happy. You know what I'm saying? You get fat. You start looking crazy. That's why I left. I'm dodging the bullet. Yeah. But at the same time, if you lost that weight while we were together, maybe we'd still been together. Whoa. Not both. Not in like a bad way. So you dumped her because she was fat. I didn't dump her because she was fat. That's what you said. She broke up with me. She was social distancing. She wanted more space? That's it. You know what I mean? She hated our bed. Yeah. She's like, I think we should take some space.  Look at you.  All right. John M. 1021, would you rather have our oceans 100% explored or 25% of space explored? Ooh, that's a good one. That's nice. If you rather have our oceans. Would you rather have 100% of our oceans explored or 25% of space explored? 25% of space explored. Nah, bro. The ocean might be a lot. Ocean, bro. Because you know what? The ocean is actually the space. Here we go. No, no. I'm telling you, some people told me like the moon makes the water move. That's the truth. Come on, talk to me. I can actually do this a little bit. Yeah.  I don't think nobody ever won up there. Can we even determine what 25% of space is? That's what I'm saying. We might have already did 25%. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. No, it's a great point. Space is infinite. No, space is so big. How do you do 24%? Or at least the galaxies. I mean, there's one galaxy in the Milky Way. That's what I'm saying. Like if we did 25% of space, we would for real know if there was other life forms out there. For sure. For real know. That's the only reason I want 25% of space. That being said. But what's down there, though? Those aliens could be living down in the water. That's what I think they had, though. The ocean would be way more poppin'. That's such a smaller area compared to space. And we can't go down there. Nobody's going to go down there on vacation. You know how big the water is? The water is 90% of the world. Every star you see is like another sun. Earth is 90% of the world. No, it's 70%. What? What? How much? How much of what? Earth is 90% of the world. Oh, you're saying the ocean is 90% of the earth. 100% of the world? No. It's the 100% of the world. The water is 90% of the world. What's the last 10% of the world, though? Water. How much is water percent of the world? 75. That's cool. A couple of percent off. So water is 75% of the world. Of the earth. What's down there? 75% of the world is water. Yes. Probably aliens down there. They probably think it's all look up for no reason.  I'm not going to lie. The ocean is way more interesting. Is it, though? I think so. Because I know it's out there in space. No, you don't. No, you don't. It's things. We want to find out what they need. And what's more in the ocean? Just fish. We don't look at fish. No.  You don't know what aliens look like. We don't know what's all the way down there. And I'm going to say something else. I got another theory. You know what UFOs are? The rich billionaires from other planets. Ooh. Mm-hmm. That's great. We got dough cards. Ooh. Big engines. I saw that team, too. Yes. Big engines. Jeff Bezos of another planet. UFOs are the wealthy people of other planets. They either the wealthy or I was thinking about this, too. I was like, are they the richest or are they the poorest? Right? Not thinking about the people that came to America. Right?  Motherfuckers trying to get away from oppression. Like, are they just trying to leave their country where they're getting by the Cubans? They ran over the wall. Are they space Cubans? They're space Cubans. What if there's so much wealth on other planets and so much intelligence? Do we got the broke motherfuckers? That's right. That even the poor and disenfranchised can travel through. Mm-hmm. But then it would be more of them. We would see them more, don't you think? Yeah. I think we do. We don't see them another time. You think you see them every single day? I think we do, bro. I think we wouldn't know an alien if he walked up to us right now. How do you know that I'm not an alien? That's what I'm saying. You might be. That guy there might move every night.  I am both. That's an alien.  I am an alien. And I am Andrew Schultz. Listen, what if I told you guys right now that I'm an alien? I would believe it. I would believe it. It would explain everything. A whole lot. Remember how earlier y'all were trying to explain small and bothersome things? That would explain everything to him. Okay. I don't think I'm an alien, but I do have a curious thing about my birth that nobody has understood and my parents cannot describe. Let's go there. Let's go. Explain. My mom doesn't remember giving birth. My mom doesn't remember her water breaking. My mom, my dad, wasn't there for it. My mom was pregnant with me, with my dad. And a week before the birth, nobody can account for it. Amazing. So maybe they were adopted. Adopted. She was pregnant with me for nine months. That's what she says. How would you know? You were there. You were exactly. What would you know?  Well, I guess so. I do have blood work and everything that says that I am. Allegedly. Yeah, true. Did you do it? Say what? Did you swab the mouth? So I swabbed my parents out. So what do you think that is? Do you think it's possible? I think it's possible it could be adopted. Okay.  Or it's possible that I could be in an alien and that my mom was artificially inseminated. Or he was in a manger. In another life form. And they had to deliver me because obviously I was going to be different than a regular baby. I think it's that one. I think it's adoption. I think it's an alien. Well, either way, I'm adopted if I'm an alien, right? I'm adopted by my mother. You superman, bro. I'm superman.  And I've asked them about that. And they're like, yeah, we just really don't know.  That don't bother you? Yeah. It bothers me, Charlemagne. Yeah. So for a week before you were born, nobody knows what was happening. Was this the 70s? 83. I was born. 83. I was born.  But like, yeah. So yeah. What's the other weird shit? It's like certain places we can't go. Huh? This is amazing.   What are you talking about, bro? There's just certain places we're not allowed to go. You're really Mexican? No. Bro, what do you mean? There's certain places we're not allowed to go, dude. Where are you? In America? Like multiple places. Like for example, I went, when I went to the, you guys are going to be like, I forget it. No, no. I need to know. I went to the pyramids in Egypt. And my parents promised me, they made me promise. Don't cry. That I, the big pyramids in Giza were fine. They made me promise that I would not go to, they made promise that I would not go to another pyramid thing. Actually the original pyramids that were like further south. And I was like, we don't have any plans on going there. And then they're like, okay. Why? I don't know. I don't know. Random request for two people from Manhattan to make them pass by. Huh? Yeah. And that is a random request. I went to the pyramids in Mexico. And they asked me what time of year I was going there. And I was like going there close to the summer solstice.  And then that's all he said.  And then I just don't ask about it. Government, we investigating the wrong aliens. What are we doing? We investigating the wrong illegal aliens here.  I don't know. It was fine until you got to that part. Now I need to know mom and dad.  This is, this is, um, yeah, it's just this is really an experiment about how dangerous fake news is.  No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't try to scream. No, no, no, no, no. Don't try to scream alternative fact now. No. I believe that.  You are Superman. You are Clark Kent. People believe that anything you put out there. What's Superman daddy named? Clark Kent. The son of, uh, Collel. Collel. Collel. Collel. Collel.  You a son. It's okay.  But isn't that interesting? Like, you have an alien story, motherfuckers.     I'm not lying. You had a whole theory in my head. I was like, I was the one that was believing you the most. I was like, I was like, you probably went out in the pyramid. You probably saw the wire of Glyphics.  That's what I was looking at. Who do you look like? I just thought your parents would do drugs, baby.   You remember when you posted that picture from East? Me next to the Sphinx?  And he put the nose on the sphinx. Cause the sphinx was missing the nose.  But I was there, bro. Listen, if y'all die with y'all brother going to the going to the ocean or to the space?  Yeah, I think that might be the best thing for all of us. That'd be really dope. Like why would you want to go on the ground? Just go on space. As always. Tammy, thank you for joining us. Thank you for having me. Make sure you tune into the We Talk Back podcast with Tam Bam and AJ comes out every Thursday. Correct. iHeartRadio podcast network. I think that's it. We did it, right guys? As always, if you listen to this podcast and think we're smart, you think we're intelligent, you think we're brilliant, you're absolutely right.   Thank you for listening. And you never know where we're all from. You never know. I believe you. Me too. I still believe you. I still believe you. You never know. No, I know cause he was like cracking up his voice. He was like crying about the cry. I heard it. I got good at it. Did I get you at all or no? I felt you were in the beginning. In the beginning, I believed you were. When I said pyramid, you were like, no, he's just going. You got Mexico. I knew that that would get him. And I was like, nobody would believe this. Like if I say I went to the pyramids and they say, don't go. That was like, there's just no way. But I knew that you would believe that. It's because early I was talking to Troy from Ernie and Elysia and they just came back from Jamaica and his mom was born in Jamaica.  I can't remember the neighborhood of the neighborhood, but don't go back to the neighborhood. But she had a valid reason because it's so dangerous. Spanish TV. And so she went, he went anyway. Spanish town. Had her on FaceTime and she's on FaceTime saying, I told you not to go back. Like there's nothing as dangerous, yada, yada, yada. So that, so when I, you know, I just heard that story earlier. So I was like. You lost me when you said Mexican. I said, you're not Mexican at all. He said he went to Mexico. Turn off the podcast. Turn off the podcast. No, stop the podcast.