Hello and welcome to e-app mini catch-up actually probably call this like the end of the Ragnarok official ending it rat Ragnarok, Ragnarok, Ragnarok. Yeah, we're gonna be checking out the messages that we had over the streams because obviously yes all three streams were extended and we were unable to get to them as quickly as we could. That's true we were jam-packed with think well y'all know why you all know why and you had plenty to say so we're gonna have to get through all that. Yes but before that we're just gonna check out that Mr. Synthetic Man had commentary for the video of course that's kind of imagine how he's gonna have responded to it but it happens to be the last two minutes in a new video we put out so we can give it a little look see I imagine well it's that time Lee the happiest with the coverage I can't imagine like he's ever happy not the happiest guy now obviously that that e-fap episode by the way this is kind of me talking to the audience right now you guys fucking really like that one holy shit not only like the re-watching of that episode by a lot of you but again all kinds of messages about how it's like everyone's favorite episodes so apparently we're not quite dead yet as a as an IP the old e-fap you know we'll put out some good episodes apparently. Can't say I'm surprised I figured that would be a pretty popular fun one that people would really like. Got a lot of ups and downs so to speak it was a quite an adventure anyway for those who are familiar with it this is apparently his response to what happened so let's have a look see. Cringe moments there were multiple woke moments that were obnoxious. God of War Ragnarok. What a great story I'm just trying to get to a different section right now. I won way too many awards but at the very least Elden Ring One game of the year so it's not like it was terrible. Now normally I would end the video here but as you may have heard there was some recent controversy involving me apparently for whatever reason a podcast called e-fap that I know many of you heard whatever whatever reason for whatever we already know you know you know they mentioned us why they need to mention this like yeah podcast called e-fap you know yeah what is that a channel that is in my recommended like by feeds whose hosts I specifically call out by name Mahler in particular whose episodes I claimed to have declined since Wolf had left which by the way my people may think like maybe you forgot what e-fap was no he's actually because there's a thing I was cursed to have watched all of his streams he talks about some recent e-fap episodes in one of his streams he talks about the philosophy to one he said he watched oh yeah yeah that's right destiny like right right off the bat just just try to come across as the cool guy was like what what is this what is this e-fap thing I don't know what what's that I mean also I don't know all of the the things about the hosts personally that I would make fun of yeah we have a clip of you you specifically said that if you came on you would say you know what to make fun of each of us for whether it's Jay in the trans stuff whether it's me and the not being straight I'm sure with Fringian Mahler he is plenty to say but come on you you can't try and be just a weasley little liar dude yeah when you you know don't act like you don't know because then of course you know we all know what he knows why would he be like why are they responding to my videos like yes e-fap's not known for responding to videos that have differing opinions or anything that's not like no it was predicated on especially not always I was it was a thinly veiled thing at the end of his like Ragnarok video and then yeah on top of like all the times in street when you shitting on you and a lot of people actually yep I would end the video here but as you may have heard there was some recent controversy involving me apparently for whatever reason a podcast called e-fap that I know many of you have heard of decided to make a video on my god of war Ragnarok review which honestly I don't really have a problem with as I've said many times of previous videos I don't script my reviews they aren't particularly well stop it stop it yeah the thing where you explain the reason why they're riddled with flaws well as opposed to trying to be better as the game desperately tried to explain like if you're gonna do it a certain way you need to own the fact that people are gonna respond to the things that you said in that video whether they're true or not they don't care how hard you worked on it they don't care what your methodology was all they care about is whether the things you said were accurate or not that's it and they were almost exclusively not accurate edited either and that's very much on purpose so I'm sure they get pieces of their exact but it's on purpose and he's the one who said yeah I know I get things wrong all the time and that's I'm not gonna change it why these can't really use this as a lot of logic to me I make it in a way that results in many flaws so like why what's the deal guys like why would you respond to it almost by implic like that's almost the implication leave me alone I feel like he's pretending as though there's not great okay well we said it when we were covering his videos just like if you're going to accept that your methodology results in significant errors then you have to expect results that include people basically pointing out how wrong you are right that's that's like that's how you made it like that's it's that simple nobody really cares like how you made it or how long you spent working on it all they care about is what is apparent in the video that's it yeah as I've said many times the previous videos I don't script my reviews they aren't particularly well edited either and that's very much on purpose so I'm sure they could pick it to pieces if they really wanted to do they could they could destroy it they wanted to if they really want to like okay what what do you what what is what does that even meant to me like I recognize that it is so deeply flawed that it could be torn apart currently probably wouldn't be hard for even me to do that to my own videos the whole idea of that is that like us we're supposed to be very good critics of ourselves we have that running at the all the time all the processes why why like yeah I could have ripped apart my own video if I wanted to it's like what we should have done that in the editing process that's part of making the good video and so I popped into the stream for about 10 minutes and what did I discover that Mahler had watched up to 20 hours of my God of War Ragnarok yeah you can already detect the tone I'm being shamed for this on eye yeah how dare he watch my stuff what a loser he is to watch my screen money like some of some of his audience surely watched his whole God of War Ragnarok life right that's kind of like the point of the audience would he look at the audience and go wow you watch 20 you know I mean like why he's constantly devaluing his own content but not in the way that we do because his content shit it's that like I can't believe anyone would actually like how terrible would it be I got to be able to denigrate Mahler for watching my stuff but I'm not gonna think about what that says about my audience that would be I'm sure the framing is gonna be that I'm obsessed or crazy or I guess it's kind of funny though right it's like you watch 20 hours in my live stream it's like yeah and you played the game for 20 hours like it's such a like people I guess it's doing the motivation farming shit that I've always hated but it's just like if only they knew the truth which is I was watching his video and I was like I wonder I wonder how he played the game helps me a lot about someone in terms of what they think of the game when I can see their entire playthrough oh he streamed it I guess I could watch it while I'm sorting out like how I'm gonna edit together his initial video and the future video so that like the whole reason of that all happened the way that it did is that I didn't want to have us basically like you know when he says like Odin offered a really great deal he should have taken it then we do all the the responses that he even his fans gave him and then he responds to that in the later video if I played the whole full video then then we'd have to repeat all of the topics as we come back to them in terms of responses I figured why wouldn't I just do it one by one that makes the most sense and then of course if ever I found stream footage that completely counted his opinions on what was happening in the game I couldn't help but put them in to be like this guy's lying to you by the way I popped into the stream for about 10 minutes and what did I discover that Mahler had watched up to 20 hours of my God of War Ragnarok streams and edited together a hit piece on me so if criticism and hit piece just let me know if yeah also if if it's just a description of the things that you do if it's just your own clips if that in and of itself is a hit piece then it does say a lot about you would describe that as a cell phone right like if yeah that's that's that's a good way to describe it so yeah if you just want to be playing as a hit piece against you okay dude interesting yeah pretty much like you can call it a hit piece if you want but it was it was it was work and it was a response to how bad you are as a game reviewer and then just highlights of how awful your personality is if that's what a hit piece is I guess the motivation would be like malicious but it was just this is this is stuff that I found I wanted to show other people it was all not it's factual so from his stream really understand like what's the problem you put your stuff yeah you know instead of actually spending that time making videos for that so first of all that is a video I made yeah that there's a video it was also it's not only a video you got to essentially double dip with it because in and of itself it is a very interesting observation on this character this synthetic man guy it's also the blueprint for a stream which is our job this is a weird jab wait it's what he already said this in the on the screen yeah I think YouTube videos don't last they're just yeah it's just the criticism of molar is that he doesn't make videos anymore right he's lazy and a fat complacent like just sitting on this pile of money that he does from this little dragon to be dragged it's kind of like you're you're almost trying to simultaneously imply laziness while shitting on somebody for spending a lot of time on a task yeah he's yeah exactly he's he spent 20 hours isn't that crazy that he did all this work instead of doing all this different work it's really something that's that's that's good to do is to like sit with your thoughts and try to reconcile incompatibilities between friends like oh you already said you could tear apart as he could even tear apart his stuff if he could be asked to but he doesn't he just wants to really really really annoyed that you did sorry I was watching you I wanted to take you seriously I wanted to see what arguments you had I was told by many people you had the best Ragnarok criticisms they were awful not the first time we this has happened to us though for his channel I wish I was joking but seriously they didn't just watch my review and the response video Mola was editing the stream to make you look bad I would love to actually have you explain how that's the case the problem is I couldn't edit it any other way it was impossible with the clips I had is how do I make him look good it's what he says it's his opinions they're awful they were really bad they were uninformed they were contradictory a lot of them were just lies also he's foul like what do you want to do with all that I can't show his video in any format that makes him look good not my fault yeah what we're out of context other people use for the last Jedi and rings of power on them can you like sort of just what what what is the deal like what does everything have to be built through these weird lenses I've seen loads of this like wow so more is using the same arguments that if you so I've seen the one where it's like do you remember the not so great debate where the guy said he's old Mola has used this as a defensive Kratos that it's been a long time since the original trilogy it was like wait they skipped the part where I was like that time was filled with development that we played through as the everyone forgets the end of God of War three bad exactly I was about to say the hugely important part is that God of War three kicks off the arc that he goes on in these two games like it's a giant magical sword I think beginning of the change in the character whereas what happened with Luke is that he was super duper happy and then saved the day and then we see nothing and then he's a hermit miserable asshole who abandoned his family and the galaxy yeah exactly we didn't get any of that information and it was a much shorter period of time as well we got we got hours upon hours upon hours of all these like discussions and inspirations he's had from all these different and we've got exactly retrospective information with Faye even in those few scenes a little bit of insight into how that relationship would have would have fed into the arc that he goes on it's not comparable this is like the tribalism shit man like if you disliked last Jedi and brings a power then you should dislike Ragnarok the thing is plenty of people are out there who are like no that's not how that works I don't have you saw one of the top comments I read was like why is he saying if you're right wing you should dislike Ragnarok like I'm right wing and I do not like feel that way I was reading stuff like that I was just like that's gonna be weird right like what the idea you're being like or dislikes being gay kept on your fundamental beliefs about life through a video game because of a game that you like yeah it's fucking bizarre but yeah I mean sure don't watch the coverage just go from what one person said in a comment oh no he was by what the other people said in the comments where they were like thoroughly impressed with the coverage the streams of the thoroughness of it the stream clips weren't additional context they were actually taken out of context so when he says the enemies are spongy and then I show clips of him saying he doesn't understand the mechanics he doesn't use the moves that explicitly say they deal more damage and he doesn't understand how to use certain moves because there's too many buttons you understand that his criticism that the enemies are too spongy is worthless it might be true you're adding context yeah that is additional content tells you how he constructed this opinion how was it not additional like it's it's categorically additional context it explains a lot about the argument that he made in his video and then trying to bandwagon with like oh the puzzles they're way too easy to solve and they give you clues anyways was pointless like everyone pretty much agrees with the criticism but then you see him solving the puzzles and like holy fuck dude people like you or why the devs made it this way well I thought we all agreed I thought we all understood the problem with the dean takahashi like cuphead thing I thought we did too yeah stood what that meant which if we don't the reason why it's really bad to see dean takahashi unable to complete the tutorial level in cuphead is if he made a review of that game it'd be worthless to me we're just not playing it the same way we're not on the same level of play you have to have some level of expertise in what you are yeah so like if I if you were to alternatively watch somebody who was able to play a game at a super high level of play that they could play it on a really hard difficulty pull off all of these crazy combos or something you'd be able to it's like oh you understand the game you have like a greater understanding of the game you probably have insights to offer that I wouldn't be able to pick up because I'm not as good at you with this like if you're like incapable of even playing the game at a base level anything you say about the game has to be filtered through the lens of oh but that was how you played it which is not going to be the way that I played it it's kind of the difficulty of like reviewing video games that you don't really have with something like a film or a television show where like I guess everybody has different levels of understanding about like the material in the story but there's no like skill influencing you know somebody's perspective on the mechanics like there isn't a video game I thought we all understood like what the problem was there I hope it wasn't just lol he sucked at the game haha like I hope it wasn't that simple people say like so if ever against sponsorships I was like did you listen to anything we said like anything at all no I'm pretty sure that we explicitly said like if you're gonna take a sponsorship taken from like if it's a good sponsorship that's good if it's a bad sponsorship that's bad you can take a sponsorship from Raid Shadow Legends especially people have no idea like have no interest or understanding of gaming as an industry and they're just like I don't know it's a product it's and it works they don't know like the predatory nature of mobile gaming and stuff but you can't have a guy who's like I'm the real dude about video games and everyone else just sell out your left man and then and then you chill for one of the like notoriously terrible games ever and then apparently the following video is like it's bad by the way don't go get it hmm well too late you already recommended it to me and I tried it so sponsorships are fine uh I thought we all knew they're for good things you've added well I should say sponsorships are neutral it's it's you need more information they're neutral they are absolutely neutral it depends on how you approach it and especially how it slots into your broader statements and goals as a creator so um oh yeah the other thing I was going to say as well like just because we that's like a gameplay example uh in in the puzzles and the combat but then also the story example right where he was saying like he was talking about one of the better seeds of the game he like complimented like two or three of them but he said like my initial grievances with this whereas the Treyas was being condescending and then I just showed like his actual commentary from that scene where he was like the characters are being assassinated right like what I think I'm glad you brought that up because looking at that last sentence the stream clips had no place being included because reviewers is actual thoughts up to completing the game it's like now it may well be the case because of course like the thing that you think first ideally if you're like you know trying to be really thorough in creating a review you might figure out things about a game or a story that are better or worse after you play through it your thoughts kind of coalesce you get them organized you know there's something to be said obviously about like uh like a definitive statement on something after spending a lot of time thinking about it and working through those thoughts but it's a little bit awkward when somebody says I initially thought this in their final review but then they said something totally different when they initially saw it it's like hmm that doesn't hmm you know he made a claim about what happened when he first consumed it that was just false and I and that's that's the point of seeing that it's like he's lying to you he launders his opinions to be more acceptable and remember he's not going to put in the video by the way guys I think you're part of the industry's problems if you listen to dialogue because that's a batshit insane take that is an insane thing to say if you don't think it's insane then you you have an issue you have a problem and by the way like I remember seeing on on his video as well it's like oh so they're uh they're complaining about you not taking it seriously not listening to dialogue and not like engaging with the game on its terms and yet they did what they did with the last of us two and I'm just saying they're like what engaged with it on its terms what I did we were totally we were listening why do we think we were able to give it such a comprehensive breakdown we listened we paid attention that's how we knew it wasn't good that your references are accurate like oh yeah most important thing I guess that's something that we didn't make clear to people as they even if it's something that we think is probably gonna be bad going in we do listen to it we give it its time of day that's how we know if that it's good or not at the end because we're not always because obviously you can't base your opinions off of just what your first impressions or your desires will be you have to actually check of course only a fool would think otherwise that time making videos for his channel I wish I was joking but seriously they didn't just watch my review and the response video no he edited together a bunch of clips put some of my points out of order and showed many parts that had nothing to do with any of my points but simply I mean he's technically true I did throw some stuff into that nothing to do with the game oh yeah I was taking in front of the Jewish conspiracy yeah and the the undesirable the the obvious flaws of my sexuality and things like that yeah it's just the things we noticed along the way even then I would say that those are related in some way well when you when you're working on a video where you're trying to discover the person's perspective on a lot of things and then you randomly come across fucking calls to war and aggression against particular groups of people that are yeah I was just like holy fuck I cannot believe this is actually happening this doesn't even seem real um oh and that's another thing we've been told I've been seen like that we've become cancel culture and it's like I haven't called for anything to happen to him haven't said a thing and uh I mean I'm surprised that anyone didn't know this but me freeing in rags are pretty liberal on free speech you know we're free speech extremists almost I think very pro I think you could call us that in reference to how the internet like the overtone window of free speech we're pretty extreme yeah yeah these days absolutely yeah just to my in some way and I was painted as some sort of neo-nazi or racist I I did I can't imagine why I did not paint you that way uh I played your opinion that way with your words if people come away with that perspective from what you have said that's a result of what you have said like to be fair this comment this is this comment isn't even untrue in last two hours more showed stream clips portraying you as a homophobic racist transphobic anti-center but that's not because I contextualized the comments and said that is the case we played them that was it those are the things you said yeah those are the things you said many times over that account is Cobain he was uh he's he's become known in the e-fab community is basically synthetic man's like sentinel he was there for like the whole stream apparently there's something and he did all of this just because I disagreed with him about the quality of a video why what actually acknowledge all the questions when you was chatting on him though why do you know so yeah well he doesn't know about he doesn't he probably doesn't know that I know about him because he doesn't look into this at all so if someone said all right Mola it's time to judge you I'm in like a big old courtroom they're like tell us what was your motivation to do this was it just because he said something about a game you like that you didn't like what he said I'd be like okay do you really think that would be it when e-fabs been going for this long we've covered so many people that completely disagree with us on on something why is it the like people have said the only other time anyway it feels like more has done this is with the the twitch react saga but even that wasn't as extensive so it's and that was when someone was coming after a friend of mine so it's like so so what is it it's like well for anybody watch the stream probably knows around about the part where he like shits on all of my friends me and the work that we all do and then he says that their sexuality is a character flaw and then said some other really bizarre and crazy shit after basically lying about a video game was pretty good yeah basically at this point i'm like well what motivation don't i have what is what is the golden motivation to have and then um do i not have that one i think i have all of the motivations something that i find interesting because i think it's kind of it's it's kind of like revealing right of the way that somebody else may think about all of this uh there's usually like some broader objective into like the goal broadly of basically like any episode of efap or any like coverage of a film or a video game or anything is to try and contribute to and improve the discussion surrounding media that's like the goal ultimately is to try and facilitate better discussions about storytelling yeah media you know video games everything there's there's like always that sort of working there to try and have better uh discussions which it seems like it's it can never be that right it's like oh well we're just talking about video games like we're just talking about video games or we're just talking about movies like it can't be more than that need to devalue what you're talking about it's really art is really important to me um storytelling is like super duper duper important to me um and i i want to i want to facilitate and be and participate in like discussions about it for the sake of like not just you know entertainment but to try and yeah like kind of have those better discussions about it where we're trying to use references and sort of develop an understanding of people's frameworks and to try and develop good frameworks that we can use it's not just about like agreements or disagreements or like petty arguments on the internet about movies it's kind of a lame way to view it you know i just think that if it was as simple as you said something about a thing that i like that was mean all vice versa it's like don't you think efap would be a very different show at that point like uh yeah yeah you think so there's a lot of people who hate ragnarok by the way synthetic man is one of many so what was it you know like surely it's more than that and i would say yeah and also remember it's more it's more than just a video game to a lot of people for the people who made it it was several years of their life and for a lot of people who played it it's like a really important story that has deep meaning to them and has like and has like lessons that people are pulling from it they want to try and apply to their lives that are like deeply important to them well thanks how much the game means to them and how much they think it's getting shut well funnily enough that's kind of i've said before that was kind of the motivation behind me making the soma videos was uh it was tipped over the edge when i saw the joseph anderson video was having a big effect and for all i know where it was like i don't want to see like that to play out yeah that could have contributed significantly to the creation of amnesia rebirth for all i know which really fucking upsets me but there's somos from that studio yes uh no no chance of getting another sort of thing because of that but yeah so what i guess i'm saying is yes the pursuit of of interesting discussions the uh expectation that through more deliberate conversations we can perhaps push the needle slightly in terms of the overall discussion the checkout points of view that are completely alternative to ours because you know coming away from ragnarok saying uh like like he had several quotes from his streams he was just saying like the story is just awful and then in his video he said that the gameplay is like the best part which i hadn't heard from really anybody most people i'd heard who didn't like the game shit on the gameplay quite a bit so like okay yeah you got that then you've got like he really has issues with me personally and with several of my friends personally do to a aggressive degree and to this day i think he thinks that i don't know about that or that nobody knows about that it's just like it's in your stream dude i think he thinks of his streams as like a secret yeah it's weird the the way that he operates on a stream and the way that he operates on his like normal videos it's like a a very very toned down version of who he really is so to speak because who you are in a live setting is arguably who you are in a more real this is kind of an interesting thought um do you do you think do you think that it's a bit more complicated than that in the sense that the way that somebody if somebody would have sit down you know like like there's instances where somebody says something it's like do you really think that and they're like no actually no i don't really think that that's stupid like if they're as soon as they have a little bit more time to think it through um they're like there's something to be said about a very well thought out scripted statement on a topic or a video being somebody's essentially definitive thoughts and it goes both ways right you could say something that is more honest that you wouldn't want people to hear because you're on a live setting or you could say something that you genuinely don't believe that just seemed right at the time and you're like yeah and then you exactly it's yeah that would that would basically be my conclusion but of course it's in this case it's a little bit more uh awkward isn't it one of the key factors for people discovering whether or not what you said was what you believe is repeat offenses and what you do when you're faced with it and what would you say yeah exactly if somebody says to you do you agree with that thing you said you got answers there's answers to that question that are available to you then we'll be indicative of what you actually think at that point yeah so the question is am i going to respond fuck no i'm not wasting 11 i was gonna say this is a response and also like it's kind of funny to be like haha i'm not gonna respond i'm not wasting my time on that it's like oh okay when we finished the coverage there was a question of like if he makes like a big old breakdown are we gonna respond to it and we figured no we like because there's so much shit we've got to do that it's probably not with it but the conversation also went to like he isn't going to do that like in terms of he's a pretty consistently written character if i can be a little clowny with it like he's he's uh what do we know about him it's like low effort and very much doesn't want people to know about some of the shit that he says when he thinks he's got a more core more passionate audience listening so it would be a very bad idea for him to do like if i were a friend of his i would not advise him to respond to it yeah i would say if you live you need to act as if this never happened carry on obviously your audience is retarded right you need to just keep sailing on with that i probably wouldn't have recommended this even no i do act as if you have no idea of it you're totally ignorant of it you've never seen it just let it go away be forgotten yeah just and then in live streams people ask you about this this horrible video that's been made about you should be like you know i uh i've seen a lot of people have made responses i uh i haven't looked into them or whatever because this is the thing when you said stuff stuff that he said less eyes the better absolutely the less explicit about that himself thing you need is people watching oh yeah this makes sense seven hours of my life watching that shit i don't give a shit what they called me the fact that they couldn't just do a normal e-fap episode hey he said he can't just do a normal e-fap he didn't know what e-fap is yeah also this is what we do buddy that is that was a normal e-fap response it's just like people he's not aware that it was classic e-fap they did dude it's becoming people's like favorite episode of all time which doesn't surprise me i guess because of doesn't surprise me at all it's pretty funny that he was to say a podcast name e-fap but yet he can speak about the format so casually it's just you know i think we normally do we have done that format before the twitch saga was that format yes except twitch streamers are actually aware that you will look at their streams for some reason youtubers i guess or at least this guy is like what but also you do care because you made this response at the very least yeah load on my videos really says a lot about them so i'm it says a lot about us what is it no like tell me what is it say about us i'd be curious like is it sad that we care is it sad that we defend our friends is it sad that we have the effort that we care about art that what does it say about us really or is it just sad soy pathetic da da da da da buzzword buzzword i'm not gonna give them the attention they so desperately crave you took that from me the whole point was that your attention the whoring like crazy they we don't care about breaking down games properly you just do it really quickly for whatever's coming out and whatever's popular that's your whole thing because you're trying to get more numbers you're trying to get more attention you have the clips where you're clearly upset and jealous that the people who are above you right now don't agree with you on what is woke or not and then remember when someone is chatting like why are you talking about baller so much he's not even like like who cares he's not relevant he was like yes he is he's on several podcasts like yeah it's a little bit it's kind of funny right it's again the way that you talk about it on a stream is interesting but then when it's the video you hit a lot of standard like points that are a lot more easily agreeable like ah yeah their attention seeking ah yeah i don't care like i've got better things to do in my life like those sorts of easy it's just funny it because that's really like the easiest way to distill the difference between like his his videos and his streams his videos is like he filters through to make everything more palatable but it's like not truly reflective of like how he feels or like what his actual perspectives are on a lot of things like we saw examples of that in the coverage it's really interesting is all because it's so clear cut and i suggest you do the same this is the last i will ever mention this in a video no it's see you next time guys i guarantee you i'm not gonna watch him but guarantee you he'll say it in streams he'll be like from that i think the fact that he very specifically said that i think the fact that he said that like it's indicative of the fact that he will talk about it in streams well he can't let me i mean he couldn't he couldn't help him well he couldn't help himself when it was just shitting on you like during his life and and lots of people too like it's funny because he's like he's like oh you come after me did all this just because i just like it i think differently of the quality to you it's like dude we saw the clips where you're like getting angry every time any like cutscene plays you'll just pause they go baller likes this by the way like it upset you that i like it it's fucking really comparing yourself to moller and in the same way that you are comparing yourself to many people we could see it in your personality well do you remember the part where he was like very madly talking about Alana Piss and she works at Santa Monica so i guess that might be an example of right somebody moving onwards and upwards and doing well in their career and that seemed to piss him off oh quite a bit yeah he said he couldn't say what he wanted to happen to him because he'd get him banned like what is that you know that's like what are you doing that's a little bit weird so i guess that's the response there there you go this thing it's fine with us like there's nothing for us to do the videos there go watch it if you want well the coverage is done yeah that's it yeah um which yeah leads us into we're gonna start responding to all the things we were sent yeah all across all power many hours that coverage ended up being a total three streams in totem nice very very long streams all right there's a lot we'll go chronological so it'll go from just talking about ragnarok as a story and then into the synthetic man coverage we'll probably note the change because of the tone of the messages will likely do you even need to know that it will be a parrot it will be a parrot yes so first one is count dooku i've been looking forward to this yeah a lot of people were very excited to see us do a breakdown of not only a game but a game story with full access to all of the reference material how cool is that absolutely spent a lot of time watching the uh watching the video to learn about what happens even those of us who didn't play it we watched the cut scenes and listened to the dialogue and the interactions now that it's december what's y'all's favorite version of christmas carol our favorite version of christmas carol i think my favorite version is the the one with uh the muppets mickey mast no the the disney one oh i got you where scrooge mcduck yeah i've always that is a good one i think i'm gonna go with the muppets though i remember really liking the muppets one but man it's been a long time since i've even consumed a christmas carol as a story yeah maybe i should did any of you guys watch the uh i'm not sure about i think i watched at the the robert zemeckis the the one with jim carrey no i didn't the animated one yeah i'm not familiar with that i feel like i i'm pretty sure i saw that i think no but i i really like uh i really like the scrooge mcduck one one of my favorite moments was from mawler's playthrough was him using a realm shift to outrace mill near back to thor i remember that i think i was running toward him while the realm shift was activated i could see be all there was like a big back to him with me i was just like oh jeez rough estimate all of mawler's god of war streams amount to five point five days uh would that include the original 2018 stream the new one and then all the set of the originals plus ragnarok so wow fun time though uh this story was a 20 hour fangasm i would say there was a hell of a lot of fan service but it's funny because a lot of people i guess feel that it destroyed god of war as a franchise if you say so careful mawler you're covered in bifrost yeah he says that a lot in the game you're not saying that a lot if i say sonic is good because you eat mushrooms and save princess from giant turtle i'm objectively wrong the response i got was that is lying not being objectively wrong oh this is so this is the example about how we can at least prove there is some basis about speaking on media objectively speaking like um and i think the example you often give for me is just like you'll describe the title of something and then the content of something completely different if you like see i am objectively wrong i guess the the counter-argument is no that's just a lie so how do they deal with people who just don't know what about people who actually get it wrong yeah but they weren't lying like what i said yet should impact is about max if you're lying you're wrong right you're wrong about the fact so it doesn't even you're just kicking the can down the road it's like meaning what you are saying something that is incorrect with intention to mislead i guess but yeah you're right there's still half of that it's still a thing but it's happened before i said when i was trying to describe what genshin impact is without having any clue what it is if someone said yeah you were lying i'd be like i don't i don't think i was lying i just thought that i knew what it was but i didn't so this happens all time right it's just i don't know it feels like like the nature of having a discussion about a piece of media while trying to appeal to what is in the story it doesn't mean that there's like a definitive correct statement about something it's still a matter of using those references to support arguments that may or may not be convincing to you know a certain degree to a great degree or to a lesser degree yeah what is it called when understanding of certain facts wrongs but i mean nevertheless right like it's still a good idea to try and appeal to the material in the story surely and what is it called when if i told my dad because he does nothing about this sort of stuff i'm like that's mario and then i point to the princess and be like that's princess sonic now i need you to to recant that like like as information to pass a quiz when when fringy comes in here and asks you and he's like okay and you're like what's princess's name and he's like sonic and then you just go you're lying it's like what no i i had it on good authority you know yeah it's the the difference between like a line just being wrong i don't think most people when they get something wrong they're not lying they're just incorrect they're operating under the wrong under bad information they're they're conveying information to you that they believe to be correct so we do the thermometer example because no one's going to claim the thermometer is lying like no it's broken that's not the same thing yeah and if they say lying it's almost certainly you know just a colloquialism but yeah when you lie you have malicious intent you're intending to deceive somebody you know that what you're saying is not true or you're being irresponsible i'd go as to say is if you're if you're repeating something irresponsibly that you know is very likely not correct but you're saying it very boldly i would i would classify that as a lie as well i think um i've been looking forward to this with a little smiley face good stuff look good look up r34 fringy i promise you won't be disappointed yeah fringy look i love rule 34 no i'm good i'm at a rules rules are what bind us together as a civilization it's what separates us from the animals hi rags hello i'm allin hello hi fringy hey hi all have you thoughts to offer regarding the cocaine bear trailer looks funny i've not seen the uh cocaine bear trailer weird kind of movie i hope it does well about a cocaine bear a weekend with mauler and the gang dissecting and gushing over a shining example of storytelling in video games greed uh jk have a good one oh the greed me oh i'm sure there are many who would say that yeah i stayed up all night catching up on god of war streams you would enjoy them i hope so yeah i hope you did through the streams we've seen mauler and metal struggle with one of the deadly sins oh that'd be greed against it greed boy maulie you're awfully brave of you to go on your stream of many to say that atreus is just a simplified and less impressive elizabeth comstock you trying to trying to meme me you when you're prided yet in here that's a lie also i know this may pain fringy but i'd love to hear his thoughts and anyone else's on the latest mario trailer and not just on the voice casting uh i'm sure i would have talked about it so the thing i uh there's the there's a new clip that was uh shown at the game awards where it was like mario toad is like leading mario through the mushroom kingdom he's jumping around going through all these platforms and using pipes to get around to get to princess peaches castle and um it kind of like that scene kind of reinforces my feeling about that film which is that the animators and the artists are like working very very very hard to create something really cool i don't know if the writing is going to be of the same quality because the film looks fantastic talk about avatar too but uh yeah no like um the the animation looks great there's like a lot of neat little like very subtle nods to the specific games um the score is like incorporating a whole bunch of different tracks like it's got tracks from super mario brothers got bob on battlefield and like the overworld theme for super mario world it's uh it's it's got a little um it's it's got a lot of these really neat like things injected into it like clearly a lot of care went into the animation but i mean in terms of like the jokes that are happening right like the joke of oh look when toad goes through the pipe it's like really easy for him when mario goes through the pipe he's like crashing into all of the walls it's kind of like right so that's kind of like what we're going to be getting then in terms of the jokes probably going to be like pretty um pretty standard pretty dull yeah and we're probably not going to do anything particularly crazy by way of like any interesting thematics and someone might be like well it's mario to which i would respond yeah and i really like mario and i kind of like i don't know man i feel like it might be worthwhile to try and do that now i could be totally wrong maybe that film will come out and blow me away in terms of like having some really core message that's super important um i remember when i was playing the new mario card eight uh tracks like the new courses that have been added to the game something i was thinking about i think i'm talked to rags a little bit about it when i was telling them the seems like the premise of the film is that mario and louisji get separated and louisji gets taken in by bowser and so mario has to go and save louisji and like work with princess p go save louisji i can see that as being like that actually seems to me like the kind of obvious choice to make in terms of writing the story because you'll be like well yeah because louisji is his brother so that's going to be like an easy sort of narrative thrust to get him going on this adventure um whereas in a sense the more unconventional choice would be to have peach be abducted and then mario louisji work together to save her uh but i can't do that well i guess the thing is that something i've been thinking about is that if you wanted to push a theme that was trying to leverage what we already understand and know about mario and and like and the characters in that world for as straightforward as they are what if it was a story where it is mario and louisji having to work together to navigate through this new world and mario being sort of the the very you know he's pretty like quintessential hero character right goes out there saves the day very brave and everything i mean what louisji is much more tepid and reserved he's he's more obviously more introverted maybe well so what i was thinking was what if you had it so that the the the point of the film is meant to be like some sort of statement about the way that you need to try and like move through life and and like the mushroom kingdom is kind of almost sort of this allegorical world for that like it can be a literal place that exists and you know has a real thread what if what if the nature of that story in terms of a core theme is that mario is kind of reckless in the way that he just barrels into dangerous situations uh and he gets himself into a lot of trouble but conversely louisji is too reserved and too held back that like he can't take any action and he can't be like affirmative and and do what he needs to do yeah individually you know individually they can't they can't do it but together learning something about each other and their ways of maneuvering through the world yeah they complement each other's strengths and they can cover for each other's weaknesses and that like and that nice sort of teamwork is really great um just because you know just because you're not perfect yourself doesn't mean you can't work with other people to achieve incredible things and cooperation is great it brings out the best in our it's really really nice approachable you know safe kind of messaging stuff that's using mario and louisji to do that i think i think it's a pretty safe message but i think it's also like a pretty worthwhile message very apt yeah absolutely and of course in terms of building character it's like well mario and louisji maybe at the beginning that they're not quite as good friends and then over the course of the story as they begin to understand each other a little bit better they uh they come to trust each other more and then each of them get something from the other that they didn't have so like louisji finds courage and mario finds i guess like not intelligence but um discretion a more methodical yeah exactly and then the two of them working together you know save the day the real one floating this is because i get the impression that the mario movie is not gonna i don't know i i i i don't i get the impression that in terms of like a core theme which a lot of my favorite like animated films tend to focus in really heavily on like walley the Incredibles finding nemo and stuff um shrek like i'm not that's funny it's kind of like a meme but like shrek is a great film and that's got like a really valuable i just uh i don't get that impression based on that trailer i get the impression that for as as great as it's going to look and for as much effort has clearly gone into it on that front i just get a little concerned that the writing is going to be like very mediocre and very like straightforward that aside from a mario film story and the message i feel yeah i think that's that's kind of how i'm feeling and i i don't i don't know man i feel like people do remember like the ending of super mario galaxy where they kind of tried to do something that was a little bit different tried to do something a little bit more emotionally resonant and i think it kind of works like i feel like mario was entirely capable of doing that and i i'm not sure if they're going to do that that's that's kind of i could be totally wrong though maybe maybe the film come out and blow my mind so interesting yep there's he has um who's hotter freya or sif um honestly they're both in terms of they're both very attractive right like they're both very physically attractive people so i think this will come down to who you find personality wise or maybe their role in the world which you find more attractive um that maybe it's probably whoever will mesh best with your personality that you'll find to be the most attractive because obviously they're both very very lovely ladies but they have they seem to have the they're they have strong personalities but how that sort of exhibits itself is in somewhat different ways freya is far more outgoing about it but she's of course in a different place to do it than sif is um they they're both very family oriented they both are willing to do things that are potentially i mean certainly very dangerous uh in order to try and you know help their families out in the best way that they can um they're both maybe sif is a bit more supportive um and freya is more i guess more aggressive in that kind of way um i mean they're they're both especially considering how little of sif we get it's kind of nice to see that we get you know a character there and how important she ends up being but i don't know uh honestly i would probably go with sif but i think this is you got two winners here both pretty powerful too yeah they're both powerful they're both i mean they've both clearly been through a lot one the their suffering has been in different ways both at the hands of odin but in totally different sorts of you know like i said sorts of ways i mean whether the way that odin treats thore is different than how yeah the way that odin treats the state of their kids yes yes the their children are very very important to them they're very well i guess what i'm saying is that both of them in some sense failed it's just that maybe freya is as much more uh apparent and significant yeah because ultimately sif did fail to like protect magne and moody for it's like what she said right odin threw them like at the at a mountain face and like for what and it's like but she didn't stop it which is probably what's motivating her right now to be more like i wonder what she could have done she understands better yeah yeah her position is not like she doesn't have because freya is obviously a very powerful warrior she knows incredible magic we don't really know about what sif can do that wasn't really uh something that we got to see in the story much we don't know if she's just very charismatic or if we don't really know much about what sif is capable of we didn't see that part of her manifest in the story um so that would be it would be interesting to know those things because there must be there must be something about her it just wasn't important to the story to see that element of her not sure why people call good yes not sure why people call kratos soil woke the whole arc was for him to open up and be better not to go back to how old what he was but something new a father a leader a friend a brother kratos is full of his complete yeah the problem is that when you say be better there's a lot of simpletons who fixate literally on just the words be better and any sense of nuance or context just goes completely out the window and it's a damn shame because freya and kratos they're like i guess freya in their own separate way but everything in god of war has some build up some explanation behind it there's some sort of reason for why things are the way they are it wasn't they didn't just throw in a phrase or a word and want that to preach to you they put a lot of work into it and if people can't realize that then that's just well they just have to write great advice in there you are not your failures is a really good thing to think about when it absolutely worth now some simpletons might have thought that the the scenes in which we got those messages were nothing but filling and it's just padding and pointless wasn't anything of substance yeah that it was pointless and that it was just a glorified loading screen but of course those people are fools the fact that the first giant jellyfish and freya's wedding missions weren't core story baffles me because they are so important to the characters yeah they made i would argue a lot if not all of the side content is important understanding the whole story the fucking fey one super important all inside i'm really happy with christopher judge's craters loved him as teal see teal teal in stargate and now i also love oh yeah that's right yeah he was yeah man craters was in space crazy right i suppose hope to see him in more projects yeah yeah cool uh how much he cares about this one it'll be interesting to see if people can disassociate yeah or if every time they hear him they'll be like yo that's kratos or if you'll you know ever be able to not be kratos i think he really wants to be more kratos or with anything they used to go with next don't blame up for that at all this just says woke uh so g o t g h s referenced go w best tv special ever i mean is that the galaxy or the whole special referenced god of war i call oh yeah i remember they for some reason people looked at drax and said he's kratos uh god of war all right i see i forgot most of what happened in that special wow i'm not sure i even understand how you look at drax and think ah kratos what could be big muscly guy okay i know i i that's that's all i got i don't know is it because he's got like tattoos or something like mox on him kratos has a big tattoo i guess so it's just the the coloring is so different yeah coloring is very different white um best villain award goes to odin or silco oh damn uh i'm a huge fan of both of those i think i'm gonna go with silco i like them both a lot but we get a lot of that's thing we get a lot of silco get a lot of odin too i i'm gonna go with silco personally but they're both super great villains i dole so much about them and i'm just like the more i remember about silco i look forward to rewatching our k info in seasons who comes around because remember how like he like completely tears down vanda what he believes is like a complete breach of his principles and then he ends up doing the exact same thing when you hit ali yeah there's just there's so much about silco that's great he's he's one of the best villains all right um i'm gonna i'm going to go with silco is my favorite though i don't want that in any way to undermine how much i really like odin what are you bringing i don't know i'm uh that's tough it is it's legitimately difficult because silco is my favorite character in arcane um oh damn i think silco might just just a little bit uh been out on just a little bit though but does any character from arcane beat up kratos oh i don't know i don't know i don't i don't think i don't i'm i don't know because kratos is one of my favorite characters now just in anything oh yeah i don't know any of you guys checking out or revisiting the witcher three now the next gen update is coming out this month um very possibly actually i'm i've i've only played through to completion the witcher three once and i haven't finished all the dlc i haven't finished blood and line yet but um i i am very interested in playing it again now that the next gen stuff is out uh it could be the excuse that i need to get you know into it play it again experience it again and hopefully anyone who hasn't played it yet i would highly recommend it i think it's a great uh fantasy world and i really like a lot of the quests and the dialogue in it and it's a you know it's a fun game to play i really lost myself playing the uh i really i it's a game you could lose yourself in i think the world's really awesome and great i like so much about it so probably yes to answer your question probably yes i would like to play all three of them someday i haven't played the first um i hear that it's of its time in jenki uh but i didn't play the the second one i would also recommend though that is a that is a difficult game witcher three definitely modernized it in a way but i enjoyed three or two quite a bit it was one of the first games that i played that was like oh shit this is like a difficult game that like success isn't guaranteed i need to really work hard i need to be good and pay attention and do all the side content and things it's it's insane looking back at the last of us two after god of war five and just seeing the stark contrast on how the developers treat their characters and the intelligence of the audience yeah uh when you think back on the last of us two it spends a decent amount of time trying to achieve very little it does it has one point it drills over and over and over again and its whole narrative like squashes that point anyway i don't even do it well meanwhile there's a lot of things that uh there's a lot the ragnarok has to say it's got a lot of characters to work with and because all the the characters are different in their own way you can have all kinds of different messages yeah a lot of the kind of opposites in terms of uh writing discipline thoughts on the designs for these new pokemon low kicks king gambit and uh backs caliber and clod sire um could would you copy those into the discord and i can look those up while you're carrying on with super chat so once i have pictures we could uh very well address it all right my biggest criticism is that odin wasn't defeated by throwing mamiya's head horned first at odin it's been cool wasn't all fucker in the final fight though so it does well that would be that was what uh that's what that's what brock called him yeah he says that one was for brock also thoughts on the new mario movie and indiana jones trailers all right well you got the mario one you know jones i'm just depressed yeah that's about it if we got the vibe of here we go again yeah probably gonna rewatch the four of them before the fifth one of course i like how they play the music from the movies that at this point at how many years old now 40 the give it a lot of people yeah well it's just kind of funny it's like yeah remember this music from a movie that isn't this movie it's like yeah i do i was talking about it on i do i think it was open bar and saying like you guys remember like 12 years ago we said he's too old for this yeah and now how old isn't harrison forwarded his late 70s it's insane man like you know henry cavill would make a fucking great indiana jones oh sorry how to make a great anything at this point it could probably yeah i mean he's like james jones james bond i mean it was super mad formally but yeah yeah yeah it's it's one of the greatest fucking gams of our age of our generation was that you had henry cavill the perfect superman and that clown snider just completely squandered him and they're like look you turned up a black adam now he's fired and now now the rock is not following water brothers or like the black adam twitter account on his instagram or something he unfollowed because it's over it's over before it began well it might not have been it made a lot of money i suppose yeah i guess you're right if it didn't make over a billion it would have been an interesting time oh absolutely yeah but i don't think that was ever going to happen not for because now it seems like it's gonna be a hard reset everybody's done i mean if if henry cavill is out that means everybody's out surely otherwise that seems deeply unfair well that what a horrible coincidence that patty jenkins shit is happening too because that might not be necessarily connected it could just be a you know really bad shit that's happening because of a foreign other stuff and it's just like if we've got wonder women's on the ropes we've lost superman and we've lost batman at least that batman yeah it's really not an enviable position to be in at all to be no matter what guys that dc guys and be like what the fuck do we do there's no decision that you make that won't piss people off and the reality is that the correct long-term decision is probably to just rip off the band aid into a hard reset and stop hobbling along with this this this deeply flawed universe make it very clear we are it is a fresh start these characters are not their old iterations we are uh we are moving forward i think that's the best you can do yeah we're about to say mubes um remind me what was the what was the thing that was said uh what about the wonder woman stuff oh yeah so i was gonna say man of steel was that 2010 13 13 so imagine you know they started in 2013 and their intention is to build something as powerful as the mcu and you asked them in 2022 how are we doing and they're like uh we've lost we ever got any of our headlighters like oh you've already killed superman of you and it's like well uh i mean technically in the meta yeah like in the second movie we killed him it's like second movie you're like what we brought it back you're like what are you saying it's like but we've lost him now how do you lost him how did how did superman die again it's like no no the actor he's gone he's gone uh one one we you know two movies two two one one movies she's out now possibly and you're like why you're like so i don't know i mean it's like the most successful movie is aquaman it's like aquaman yeah it made like it made more money than the dark night it's like how why why china it's like okay but what what have we released recently black adam solo movies with justice society it's like oh and it's at what fighting shazam no he's never gonna fight shazam it's like why it's like oh the rock just doesn't seem to want to it's like we know what anything step by step how this all became this way but like when you look at it broadly from you know 2013 to now you're like holy s*** guys in nine years you this is a calamity i was just scrolling through twitter and it's screen rant it says uh a new report reveals more insight into the decision to reverse henry keville's dc return to superman according to a hollywood insider keville was a pawn in dwayne johnson's quote-unquote failed attempt to control a piece of dc is that yeah but who said that though is that actually is that like a reputable source or is that just like i mean that's i mean surely like the rock is done right like i figure like there's no way to from that it sounds like he might be here oh uh apparently no that was a hollywood reporter okay so there's probably some truth to that hmm that's kind of that's kind of lame i i mean presumably it is a hard reset right like it's i i've talked about like angry joe's been very mad about it and something that he's been tweeting a lot is like essentially the notion of if you're going to get rid of henry keville then you have to out of like fairness get rid of your people too like get rid of uh get rid of john senor's peacemaker like they already did make a mountain say that the big reason they got rid of him is just he's just not young enough for the role well yeah so the the point is that the new Superman film is going to be him and is is earlier years is like a reporter and metropolis and so henry keville is too old just to be in this 20s by that logic then you know james gunn doesn't necessarily have to do anything else uh well i think the thing is is that because if you if you told me if you put me in a position where i had to be in charge of this universe i would just like i'd just be like hard reset with we're stopping there's no point to continue it just like this franchise it's not working gotta have to be working we have to do a lot of hurt but we're hurting now the thing is for now but saying this on um open bar but surely that is what they're doing it's just the if we're in that boardroom and you suggest that and we all agree the next step is okay but we've got several movies coming out that are that are coming out we're not exactly in the position of just announcing this is done as a timeline but also these movies like we'll probably announce these things after these movies come out yeah like wait until maybe give it like a bit of time and go radio silence and just put some distance between the current dc stuff and then whatever you're gonna do next but that's not what they're doing they're gonna announce stuff next year at the beginning of next year they're uh full steam ahead seemingly um whereas i would recommend taking like a year or a couple years gap between everything not just to create physical space or i guess temporal space in between the old and new but to really make sure that you have your ducks in a row so to speak on the story and your overall dude i can see them being like james please save us save like whatever it is that you need to do we actually have no idea what's going on if if if you wanted to try and maintain some of the bridges with some of the acts that you already have i think that the easiest way to do that would be to give them a different role give them someone else so like um like if if henrik evil can't play superman ask him if he wants to play hell jordan or something like you know see if there's like another role that he wants make him buy a superman village just to rub it in the fans would find it really cool they make him play zod holy shit like yeah i think fans would appreciate he would make a great zod he probably would i mean he was a great lot of things i mean he was the villain in fallout essentially in a way so yeah it was really good and that like the reality is that henrik evil just needs to be paired with people who are as talented and enthusiastic as he is and often it's been they're enthusiastic but they're not talented or they're neither obviously the hope is that 40k project that'll be the one now please because he's executive producing that as well which means that he has he has a handle he cares about warhammer he clearly cares about warhammer so that could be awesome if he gets to have exercise some level of control over it which he may well it seems like at this point he's kind of like sort of the de facto spokesperson from warhammer because it's like this incredibly charming and handsome british man like basically james bondon real life is like yeah no i play with like warhammer figurines it's like the best PR that you could ever have at this point company may as well have been made in a lab at this point but it's kind of like wow you uh knocked out all entry so it's kind of crazy that he's not winning more like he is obviously winning at the game of life because he's like a super successful you know but like you think that he would be off of his game right like he would be he'd be having no trouble well i think that all of this it's it's gonna be i think the long run all of this will be a very advantageous hump to get over yes you can call it that because he's we're gonna he's gonna be around for a long time i think he's going to 30 so he's still got a lot of years ahead of him absolutely he just gives me that that pierce bras and then energy i think i can imagine a an older wiser kind of like you know a a 60 year old Henry Cavill who is just he's he's just he's got the silvery beard experience look to him he's just he he's gonna be he could be essentially the almost like Christopher Lee in a sense where i get that i get the feeling with Henry is it cavill or cavill i say those often because i often forget about this now that i'm thinking about it but he he strikes me as the kind of person who's like William Shatner or Christopher Lee who's probably i just they're just gonna drop dead one day they're not gonna retire they're not gonna stop they just have a huge passion for it and they want to keep doing stuff and so we're gonna have just kept going hey you know what maybe like in 20 years he can play uh he can play Superman's dad he can play Jonathan Kent or something this circle will be complete i mean yeah except he'll be a good Jonathan Kent where he won't be like telling him that he should let people die he'll be instilling good lessons that's kind of funny because like we have to play Jonathan Kent right um maybe but it was uh wait what was that sorry it was like another actor that we wasted we got we got um i i can't believe i'm forgetting his name now i literally just had it yeah Kevin Costner yeah we had him as uh you know well you had a lot of people right you had Amy Adams as a lot of slain it's like Amy Adams is a pretty great actress but like she didn't have anything yeah as Perry White like damn that's some real good casting there yeah and then you have these weird ones like Gal Gadot is Wonder Woman it's like why it's not yeah you know why like it was an obvious choice in some ways it was a good choice because like people wow and that's that's that's true but i mean it seems like at this point we're acting though yeah it's uh it's so funny because i i i'm aware of like whether we're making you know Buffy and stuff that Joss Whedon was like whip-crack type director in terms of getting performances out of people which is you know there's this controversy over that right like if you get some of the greatest art ever at least from your own POV is it with actors being shouted out to actually do their job properly yeah people yeah because then you're like oh so what if we take an actress like Gal Gadot who seemingly just can't do it and a person like Joss Whedon what happens like he gets fucking destroyed because he probably was mean to her a little too much maybe even because of that maybe he held some resentment that way but also like the writing stuff and like oh yeah that's that's where it would have backfired because like you get a lot of people saying stories about some of the most classic like auteur directors were assholes like makes you wonder about how art gets made in it um i wonder um like i'm because if there are if we if they're restarting and like it seems to me if they have the motivation to get like somebody in their 20s to play Superman that they're trying to think like very we want people who are going to be able to stick with us for 10 15 years that uh i wonder if that like informs i guess there is that looming question right about the batman about what's happening with that universe that is like very much not part of the dceu but was like successful and well liked what's going to happen there because i think i don't like the idea of that getting folded into a broader universe but at the same time if the other option is that it ceases to exist i don't know you know like i'm not sure what i would want if those are my two choices but it's going to be awkward if you have two batmans at the same time i think that's just gonna confuse people oh what an awkward situation for that and joker and that like it feels uh i'm sure joker feels a little bit more segmented i think i think joker feels a little bit like it helps that there was no like it doesn't matter how segmented any of them are the big question all the suits boardrooms are like listen if these things are successful on their own then they can help basically attach like a bloodline to our big universe and so do we incorporate them and funnily enough joker and the batman as universes feel like they fit together more than those two fit together anything in the dcu which is funny considering that they weren't designed to fit together at all yeah like they're just their own things but like i worry about that because if if a joker two comes out and it's hyper successful then i feel like it's it's just ready to be preyed upon they'll be like all right we're gonna have to involve it in a universe walking phoenix you ready to play joker for five more years we're gonna put you in the joker avengers movie as i as i understand that there are some level of compartmentalization with some of these things like the the executive producers of uh of like joker are not the same as the like the executive producer of a lot of other dc stuff so like it's kind of a level of you know how like with giant conglomerations like and how it works it's never really dated didn't they not think much of anything about uh todfield's going to make joker when they like this this will probably not work that well not only had a 50 million dollar budget it was pretty cheap yeah they didn't believe in it as i'm at a million dollars yeah that film surprised the fuck out of me as well i did not expect to be coming away thinking like holy fuck that was great yeah and it's ready to get a movie that's almost entirely reliant on like the performance of a character that's like the joker we don't expect because god we've had like all kinds of joker results haven't we uh we've had yes we have it seems to it seems to be either great or horrible just seems to me no really but think about it like i like jack nickerson as i love him as i like his joker i obviously i really like heath ledger's joker i like what keen phoenix is joker a lot so really it's and and i like mark hamill's joker a ton so it's really not hit or miss most people do a great job is that the guy you haven't mentioned yet is that one guy that the ideas guy is aware plaque i'm an idea yeah well that was embarrassing i actually heard that they wrote that and then it made it through the actors and then everyone saw that and they kept it in like made it through the cut yeah then it's in the final cut clearly that joker watched a lot of viva vendetta like this is a real cool movie and i should place my whole personality after it on that yeah and by the way that's not me throwing shade at viva vendetta i like it no i don't it's like putting yeah hugo weaving next to what's his face ha ha ha hugo weaving next to it's a morpheus he's got his name down darryl lester what's his name darryl ledger yeah i he he's just he's just that cloud actor guy like that he played a clown you know well that was about to say he's known as the clown actor guy but not just because of the literal playing of the he was at one point he had respect at one point but it's just gone now because the morpheus and joker killed it i think it was with joker it was like he talked about all of his method acting and everything like he talked about all of these extreme lengths he went to to get into character and the character was shit like it's just really awkward the method act is only cool if it's good yeah it's good exactly and at this point it feels like people are starting to turn against method acting in general people just feel like it's an excuse for someone to act like an ass yeah didn't ryan johnson ruined version of expectations well i can't remember method acting i can't remember who said it but someone said something along the lines of like people only seem to method act when they're playing assholes they never like method acts when they're playing like a really great guy you know i guess christian veil is desperately trying to keep the concept of method acting it's good he's well because he yeah because he's i'm pretty sure he does the thing where he tries to maintain like the action yeah he has drastic it like weight loss weight gain kind of well there's that but i what i meant with the accent is like because he's not american but like when he was screaming on the set of uh above of uh terminator salvation he's got that american accent there and it's like are you are you still like maintaining that as part of like getting into the role like you tried to carry the hurry yeah well how was it i hope it was good because it's worthless now isn't it that would never not be funny i'm sorry it's it's hilarious he's so mad and it's it's funny because he's getting so passionate about the acting for terminator salvation well i mean we look at uh Thor Love and Thunder the movie that everyone's already forgotten he was it's a shame that his his character was i think it holds a record for the fastest 180 yeah that a villain ever gets um might be yeah but damn like he's you could tell he's a very talented actor who is just given crap to work with yep my god take care of us though i hate you all gods must die now wait what what is next scene oh no this god is dead this god was nothing but nice oh that sucks it's like wait what the kidnaps children it's so the characterization of a gore was so fucked up it was just totally scatter shot and i bet you on set like he had no idea like what i mean even said working on on uh like green screens he had no idea where he was at any given moment that must be he probably hadn't even figured it out yet feeling yeah it's probably incredibly difficult to perform if you don't have a good director who's really kind of arranging these things for you and telling you like here's where you are here's a picture of it this is what we're going to do this is yeah i'm a subject yeah it's something you see with uh like for video game performance capture like often they'll have to try and paint a picture for them right but it's probably because they isn't that kind of interesting because like video games when they're doing performance capture they'll have like concept art typically or like some sort of yeah this is where that thing is this is where that thing is like this will be there and that will be there and you need to try and visualize it but here's some images to help you do it you think that they would do the same on film and maybe they do but maybe maybe it's a matter of direction right some directors know how to do that and some directors don't and if you're working on video games you have to get good at that because that's what performance capture is that's the only way that you're gonna that's like that's the way you have to do it you know yeah um before we move on to the next question um we have a pokemon yeah so i've got my pictures here so at the top we have lockix who just looks like an edgy beetle not really a fan i'm uh i'm kind of neutral on him underneath that we have king gambit that one looks a bit silly that one yeah not nearly as much of a fan of this one his mustache is very big that's rocket hands i think he might it could be just like just general cartoon hands because a lot of pokemon they don't have like individual fingers it's very cool you see the sword on the sword too yeah he's got a sword on the sword to let you know he's very he's very sharp very dangerous um next up we have backs caliber it was my uh i kind of like i i think he's not overly complex he's kind of got that godzilla vibe to him uh don't think this is too bad at all i i think my i think my favorite is the last one here yeah claud sire claud sire yes yeah we went in order of worst to best i think maybe yeah he's the best look at him yeah look at him yeah i like him nice and simple i like him a lot big ol face he's just hanging out you know for a fact he just he hangs out near the water and he's just happy exactly he's very happy we could all learn a lot from because i guess is he related to quags I he looks like him probably he does i would i would reckon that he is what he evolves into quagsire I guess not certain uh quad sire okay look at him he's he's so happy yeah he's just happy little he gives me this hot little fella he gives me those kind of empty mind vibes like a possum almost where he's just carrying on having a good time not much he's gonna get him figured out oh I love him he's he's pretty fantastic he's uh man he's really cool I like him a lot I'm so glad that I know he exists now puts a smile on my face all right then um here we go I've studied Norse mythology for years and the only characters that are truly accurate to myth mostly are Thor, Sif and Odin the rest are a unique interpretation God of War has always done this with its mythology though it's the pretty normal approach this is what we should have expected anyway you when Kratos goes to Egypt right like if or when that happens and let's say we were the writing team and they're like he's gonna go to Egypt now go tell a story we'd be like all right there's two modes we've got here one figure out what kind of story we want for Kratos what are we gonna have him learn what what's the hardship gonna be you know all that stuff and then we're like now need to go and read up on Egyptian mythology see what the greatest and most well known and inspirational stories are see what roles each of the main gods have and then we're gonna try and have to hammer them into Kratos's story and there's gonna be some that'll fit right in be like oh look at this this character does this this this that's perfect we'll put them there they'll do that there we go and then there'll be one was like oh we we can't use that that's that's kind of that's useless but give an example uh they they had in the 2018 game I think what actually happens in mythology which is uh Jormungandr bites Thor and then Thor kills him with a with a hammer strike and then Thor dies of his wounds that's like that's what happens to those two in a fight I'm pretty sure anyway I could be wrong but my point is they saw that and we're like okay we can have him fight but we can't have Thor died at Jormungandr we we need we we're doing two for Kratos yeah and then someone would be like so you just go in within an accuracy it's like yeah but we are doing something else we're trying to make a different point I'm not beholden to I'm just I'm just not beholden to the source material I don't have to follow 100% first off I you don't really want that you know I think anyone who thinks they want to be faithful to a lot of these old stories is yeah I think you are I think you are not considering how fucking batshit a lot of early in particular mythology is like if they go to Egypt next like y'all ain't fucking ready for like I mean Norse is one of the crazier ones too it's just a lot of crazy shit happens it's okay to be like you take the good and leave it bad it's probably a really good idea or to use it as some kind of a blueprint but to think that you should be just you have to be beholden to it in all these ways is I just don't think it's something you really want or will be consistent with I guess the point that Mola was making though is that it's it's the goal seems to be we have a story that we want to tell on certain themes that we want to get across let's look at the mythology and see what we can leverage and see what things we can change in order to facilitate and I think they are invested in a sense of especially after knowing so much of what happened in mythology versus what we saw in the game they want to portray a lot of stuff as you know it to be a Norse fan it is the big epic battle that results in the death of Odin Thor and destruction of Asgard yeah they obviously are like we need to at least like we're gonna have plenty of things that big Norse fans will recognize and they do um like you know thanks to this game I'll I now know more about Norse mythology than I ever did um well it's it probably was the same with uh I guess the problem is some people would be like well yeah but you might know some things are the wrong that's accurate yeah that's fair but like I'm not even suggesting remotely that I'm I've got accurate information I'm just saying that thanks to this game I now have more appreciation and I'm aware more not I know to pronounce certain things now or about the fact that I even know that the Acer and the Vanier and the Giants are like a thing yeah I didn't know that before these games I had no idea um and now if I see that in some other context in some other place or for example if someone's just like who holds Gala horn I'll be like oh well Heimdall I guess I'm assuming would be my first guess so you know and then it's just something that that someone would be like how do you know that it's like oh it was a video game you know and they they use plenty of the names because I saw some people saying like oh you know I wish Kavassia was more accurate to what he was like in the in mythology versus what they did with him in the game and it's like yeah that that'd be an example probably of someone they were like we need we're gonna have him collect poems who can be the person who wrote them it's like well we've got this list of names of people we who are famous in Norse mythology we still haven't used yet throw Kavassia on it you know something like that um yeah it's not an accurate representation but it's the kind of thing that is I think is is neat where they they're doing what they can I didn't get a sense that they were disrespecting Norse mythology but plenty of people have made that claim so yeah it's yeah the whole look it's a very strange thing to talk about respecting old mythology and stuff um especially mythologies that like virtually no one you know believes in uh anymore I'm sure there's a few running around out there but uh you know it where where do you draw the line when it's okay to part from it would they would they treat all mythologies the same you know especially nowadays with you know Christianity being you know as popular as it is and you know such a big force in the world that people actually believe is real um you know where does that you know stop where does that line get crossed or not um I didn't clearly care I do agree they clearly cared yeah and and if you were like you they didn't care enough like okay okay I just I mean they've got way more references in there than what one would expect if they didn't give a shit I would happily concede that uh Mike Flanagan disrespected the source material for Hill House he I think the only thing that survived is his names of characters was it um I'd be curious what the counter arguments that might be though because uh when I wonder if maybe he would never actually seen his commentary on that um so yeah in in regard to um the accuracy for Thor siphon Odin I mean it's cool to hear and that they've got everyone else's sort of unique interpretations yeah I kind of I imagine that's the result you'll get if they do Egypt well they did thoughts on story and characters of the red dead redemption games surprise Mola hasn't played them considering he likes long things stories and games I've never I've never played it's a broad question yeah yeah I just couldn't speak to it myself neither can I I really like John I really like Arthur and I find Dutch super interesting the problem is it's like how much more do you want because there's a lot of characters in those games and there's a lot to be said about about them and what they're gone for is up to you how much you want I know that there was a uh there's a particular like there's a side quest of red dead redemption in the first one that's really cool at John just as he's in his travels he just keeps bumping into this guy dressed in a black suit I think he's wearing like a black hat as well he just he just knows things about John's past not good things things that he did in his past were pretty bad and he just was like devil allegory or something well so what's interesting is I think at first you're just like oh he's just this guy who's just hanging out and he knows these things and then it all leads to he's standing on top of a hill overlooking John's property and and John's like you know what are you doing here like you know who are you and he's like I'm an accountant of sorts like you know I like I think he's yeah I think he says like I'm an accountant of sorts and he says like you know like tell me your name where you know me from and he's like oh like I know you're from I know you're from like here I know you're from back out west I know you're from all over and then I think John says uh tell me your name or I won't be responsible for my actions um and then the guy says oh you will you'll be responsible this is a fine spot see around cowboy um and he just starts walking off John's says damn you whips out his gun the guy says yes many have and then he shoots two bullets but nothing comes out and then the third one like doesn't work gems um they are standing on the hill where uh his son buries him and uh his wife um and he's the last one left and then he you know goes on and kills a guy killed John and then he's turned into an outlaw as well so the cycle continues so it's like this really cool sort of foreshadowing where um I think it's safe to say the two bullets he fires represents John and his wife uh and then the third bullet jamming that's that's his son on the place where they bury him at the end of the game it's like pretty cool they didn't need to do that but they didn't this was like this really awesome just like side story that you can totally miss um and I'm pretty sure that the uh that guy uh he doesn't show up explicitly in red dead redemption too but I think you see his portrait in a couple of places around the map so they kind of carried that through so yeah I think it's safe to say that he's meant to be deaf um he's sort of he he knows things that he shouldn't know and he's like there and he's he's just for some reason he's kind of like messing with John um and it's kind of like the necessary acknowledgement the story needs to have about the nature of like John's past and the fact that like the nature of his redemption is a little bit more complicated than like a clear cut oh you're a good guy like that doesn't really exist for him are you familiar yeah yeah no no I was just gonna say that's that's like something that I really appreciated in the first game I really like that subplot there is a in western stories there is often this element of you know the devil existing as a character whether he's at some crossroads or or whatever there because in a lot of western stories there is you know western ghost stories and you know stuff like karma coming to catch back up to you and so you know especially you know in christian mythos you know the devil coming to collect is a big you know it's a thing that pops up a lot in the western stuff that I've always really kind of kind of liked um well so the thing is is I wonder because would you say that you're a fan of westerns like as I uh um like as a genre I would I mean I like westerns I don't off I don't watch things because they're westerns but I like watching westerns if that makes sense right so I would probably say yeah red dead redemption is like a massive homage to like to westerns it's it's like very clear that it's a uh that that um it's kind of like we've talked about the people who watch you know the writers behind the simpsons clearly watched a lot of movies and a lot of tv shows they had a lot of references that were really neat and clever it's pretty clear that our rock star are big fans of westerns um like there's there's so much about it that's like an homage to that entire uh entire like genre and I mean I I'm not I'm not like super familiar with westerns as a genre but I mean even that comes through clearly to me and if you're talking about like yeah that there's often a figure who's actually meant to represent the mysterious stranger the man in black the the the the the the dubiously supernatural devil character who knows what people do and can get up to and you know the the evil things that they've done you know I the have you on a similar note fringy have you played witcher three I played a bit of witcher three but I I've tried it twice and every time I've stopped at some point and I couldn't tell you why like I just sort of stopped and didn't keep going there is a there is a character in the hearts of stone expansion named gaunter o'dim that would be very interested to hear you one day maybe talk about or give your opinions on but if you haven't played it and you haven't played it I will okay well I mean if there's that new update that might be a reason to check it out actually he's one of my favorite characters antagonist something in in fiction I really like him so okay interesting I've mentioned him in the past every very very intermittently but I really like it but it kind of ties into this in a way um I asked someone if gimli wanting Frodo to die is a subjective argument and he said yes because you can interpret the scene that way that's when I gave up on debating him I think we're being really generous to the word interpretation of that point right like yeah I just see something is not what it is yeah if that's what that means then the fucking interpretations are meaningless like anything yeah like if somebody looks up at the sun and says I think that's like I think that's made of cotton candy well that's your interpretation that's your interpretation of reality all right then there is a uh you want to you want to always for pretty much all of your opinions unless they unless it's it's good to have a reason for why you believe the things that you believe and if it's stuff like favorite color or favorite band like it's not as important but it's still you know good to you know have a reason even if you know even if it's not like a super big deal like not knowing not knowing why blue or green is your favorite color it's it's not that's not gonna really change anything it's not that important but if you go to like what's your favorite band is like why well like yeah I guess you just like the way that they sound sure but you know why do you like the way that they sound um you know those are pretty low-tier things but when you talk about like your political opinions or how you think of other people why you like or dislike certain you know ideologies or you know just people that you know or that you've heard of good to have a reason why tie it to something objective you know ask yourself why you think what you think yeah I would have then you end up like certain I would gatekeep it as a not allowed to be an interpretation I'd be like you can't interpret Gimli wants to kill Frodo you can't there's nothing that supports that at all you all you've said is something that's just like Gimli is clearly Sonic the Hedgehog it's like no he's not it's like okay that's an invalid interpretation no it's not where are you getting that from unless of course you have defined interpretation to be just a random errant thought slash feeling you just happen to have that has no reference to anything that has no reference to anything you want everything to tie back to something in reality that would be really cool certainly verifiable by another source another human being that would be good it's a it's a great way to check and see if you're not hallucinating or that yeah you're believing something's actually real get that independent verification from someone else get someone else's opinion maybe they notice something that you didn't vice versa predictions for next story question mark uh well I think I I guess forgot a war I presume Egypt is up next if we ignore wherever he's going I imagine it's like what have we done in totality it's like angry man destroys entire pantheon through revenge and then angry man calms down and tries to find an alternative way of solving the problem of evil gods doing evil things without just killing everybody and involving collateral throughout it and he's leads to the point where he's actually being praised for his great efforts and he's come to understand the value of life beyond himself you know and the ones he loves even so what do you do with the next it's like well we can make him go face to face back to Greece you know we could we you know that's going to have some heavy implications and what can he do to because he's he's rebuilding the Norse world that's his goal and I think he's going to be 100 successful and so in the next game could be the Norse lands get attacked and he's forced to leave to find out like what the hell's going on and why they would do it or that he decides he needs to take his um you know positive impact on these worlds and go back to where it all began and fix his uh his bullshit highly or as as the expectation going to Egypt what would that include it's like could be the Egypt attacks uh you know the Norse lands and he has to go there himself or the maybe um we're saying that the possibility that maybe he wants to be more proactive in terms of doing like you know the hero thing well you could have like a uh Sindri wants to go there to talk to the gods of the dead over there see what he could do about Brock and the so he goes I really like the idea of Anubis being like a major character I really like the idea of him being one of our important Egyptian characters like pov characters who we fuck yeah Anubis I think I like the idea of making Anubis and seeing if you can have him be like the misunderstood like he's actually like he's kind of you know he gets a bad rap um he's the he with the way that the the Egyptians were super super focused on like the afterlife and what happens after you die in the idea of a god whose job is essentially the god of mummification the god of the I'm the person who resides over the preparation for the next world in a sense so a god that's all about um like judging people seeing into their hearts and what they think because he's seen so many people pass on from this life to the next and you know this maybe he's the cynical guy that Kratos needs to uh maybe he's um or better and I don't know I because he'd come across a lot of really good people too um certainly from as far as I'm aware Egyptians thought very high they thought very highly of themselves um so they they'd often paint their you know people in a good light but I think it would be interesting too I mean we talked about the the concept of pairing Anubis and maybe Osiris to you know death relevant gods and one is you know more of an optimist one's more of a pessimist but it would be good to have that super sagacious kind of character who can have his own personality of course whether he takes the you know he's he's very upbeat and charming and he's you know he he doesn't let you know he doesn't see death as a bad thing he's like yep you've done this part of your life now the next part of your life's about to again uh to begin I'm about to I'm the one who sort of takes you there or explains things to you and I mean I think that I think it would be interesting to have a death god who's very optimistic and happy and you know very wise and fatherly very yeah very easily Egypt set could be pretty chill and that they are attacked and they ask the Norse lands for help could be that I think I just I just want Kratos to hang out with Anubis I feel like that could be a really cool dynamic I'm almost ruling out Roman and Celtic because I feel like they're too close to Norse and Greek but um I think the the narrative power of bringing in like the Roman pantheon as a result of like what he did to the Greeks or something well maybe that's maybe that's why he's not right like he's in Egypt and then that's because Egypt is closer to Greece and and uh and uh Italy yeah like imagine that's the tight like the the the bait for the next game is at the end like Jupiter just fucking lands in oh yeah yeah we get Jupiter Mars pulls him out as like oh and could you imagine if it then is is like it's war between the Roman and the Egyptian pantheon and then and then Kratos has to figure out how he's gonna like mediate that conflict yeah and and he has like immense guilt for the Roman pantheon if it's like it was born out of the death of the Greek one but at the same time if if it's like rag said the the Egyptian pantheon is like super chill and everybody's nice and friendly over there like what what would he feel compelled to try and fight to save here you know what maybe in this scenario both the Roman and the Egyptian panthers have the motivation to destroy each other they're in like a full-on war and that he feels he should stop it step in but how can he do that how's he gonna do that because as much as I agree that like the story's complete we don't need anymore my concern is less so with how the story's complete don't move it on it's more so with I don't know if we're gonna guarantee the talent to move it on I really don't want to move it on it's gonna be bad but if it's good oh we have plenty of places to go if it's good if it's really great like if we got told that the next arc is going to be as good as Ragnarok and and God of War 2018 it's like holy shit let's let's talk about this but like I think that I agree that the wise choice is to have Atreus go for like a whole game now don't don't bring him back even though it seems like he said I think it actually works better that he goes on his own crazy adventure comes back the next time we see him he's a full grown man that would be really cool absolutely I mean just to share time that would be six seven eight years potentially well just what would be awesome is if the payoff is that when Kratos is off on his own again and he's in Egypt and everything's going on it gets really really really difficult for him it gets really challenging and then right at the end Atreus returns and like yeah and he's grown and he's gone on his adventures and he's potentially eight or so years just wiser and more skilled and he's seen so much more of the world um yeah that would be a neat idea he's all you would go he's always going to be there to come back whenever you need you know they are in an excellent position for storytelling they can go any direction they want yeah they can they're in a good place they there's a lot because even though like you said Kratos' arc is complete it's like there can always be another one like there's always more to do right he's on the path now I feel like I mean even if he becomes a static character that'll be totally justified in a way well because we can have other characters who go on arcs maybe Anubis has an arc he needs to go on Oratyrus or Arc Kratos becomes the you know more of a teacher in a way yeah he becomes less of a fighter more of the old wise man who he's the one who gives the quests and offers you your advice and things like that thank you we get another one though we're gonna have to have a mamiya you can't have this without mamiya anymore uh he's like integral um super useful from a perspective of having conversations just in general between parts of gameplay they're boring a chad of water you know if mamiya is in a land that he doesn't understand so well I would pay good money to just have Kratos and mamiya commenting on egyptian landscapes and stuff yeah and I mean I feel like it's gotta be because before it was north it was gonna be egypt that was a plan it was gonna be egypt before they decided to go to uh to the north mythology yeah and if you ask anybody egypt is up I think if you did like a public vote on what should be next egypt would win I think everybody's heard of it everybody's heard of it but I feel like uh in the west we don't have a great understanding of it in culture like which we should because we were extremely heavily influenced by the egyptians the egyptians were like really cool um and and if you're working with a game sort of setting just the just the aesthetics of egypt are so unique and interesting and there's nothing I can get you to the box art right now the box art of kratos there with the the pyramids in the background pyramids yeah the pyramid that image alone dude you already know all the enemy types are built for you there's gonna be mummies of course there are yep we'll scale them out of the floor yep there'll be those yeah I just gotta have a big focus on especially it'll be really important for kratos because like I said egyptian mythology and culture was super not obsessed but super focused on the afterlife and dying and going on into the next life so thematically for a potentially much older kratos that could be very interesting as a concept to explore imagine if an uber said something like some of your victims of you know like i've i've met him i've talked to them they told me a lot of things about what happened to them you know yeah he's like totally in no way surprised about kratos like he knows everything about him already he's heard so much we'll see that's another thing right like i think that they could drop cindy entirely now or they could have him go they could drop tear entirely or they could have him go they could drop frayer entirely or they could have i think it would be good to have tear tag along that seems like a good opportunity because he's traveled around maybe he's like the guy who can because maybe maybe that's the thing with anubis right because he judges people and he looks at kratos and he's kind of like he can't quite figure him out it's like hmm you know like you're uh you're an interesting figure for me to figure out your scale is well because of your life is a release exactly because like there wouldn't be many people like kratos so that could be cool for anubis right where it's usually pretty straightforward for him like looking at kratos is kind of like hmm especially because he's about twice plenty of people i've seen a lot of you know changed people come through here but very few like you and i know what you you know it's like i know what you did like it was it's like i know exactly what you did but i know what you did in in the north slands too and it's like you know everything you did good and bad what's your goal what is your objective so maybe maybe it'll be interesting is it ever they wanted to do the payoff of kratos being released from the blades of chaos and getting the ash removed i wonder if they'll ever do that or that would be the final culmination of this arc it feels like it would be the end if they were going to do that that would be the end that would have to be the end it's all it's funny because it's like that would be an incredibly powerful moment but you have to handle that with incredible care yep yes you would man that would be an incredible payoff though they nailed it i think they've they're still pretty mysterious about the origin of the blades and the nature of the curse in terms of if it's got even potential to be removed imagine if it came from egypt that's where the blades of chaos actually have the power to do that i think i think someone said there was an origin for them in a comic or something that is canon oh okay i think someone said heffestus made them but of course you can argue that he used materials from egypt or something like that yeah anyone again if you're going from like egypt in a way is like the proto-greece like the amount of stuff that the greeks took or i say took in a very in a generous sense but you know took from the egyptians is insane the the greeks loved egypt they were super fascinated by egyptian culture and their discoveries and their you know aesthetics and art and their culture so it would be very appropriate for his greek origins to tie into you know egyptian stuff people just don't understand or know about how you know influential egypt was to the greeks yes uh very excited in the second that they have that tiny tiny teaser trailer where they just show the pyramid and then they show the god of war symbol and then they have the and that's it i will i will go nuts along with the whole world and and then the trailer the teaser trailer will come out and it's like older kratos with maybe a bit more of a grayish beard yeah like walking in the desert or something and that's it for that teaser too and then it's like coming in three years from now and i'll be like fuck we're an antagonist though for an egypt who would it be would it be raw you have uh you could be raw it could be osiris it could be it's sechmet it could be all kinds of gods a lot of gods were very um i still think your best friend and your worst enemy that sort of thing um yeah really interesting twist to have it be that there are there are roman gods over there doing stuff and that they are the villains of this even though we're in egypt refugees from the greek pantheon go over to egypt no like i i think that we we would argue athena athena brought in a new very strong new world she birthed it out of what kratos left behind and that they've all been brought up and understood that kratos is a monster that he's gone dead and a coward and he backstabbed all the gods and this is what i want to deal with i want i want kratos to know that all of them have been lied to about how everything went down and that they all hate him because he destroyed everything yeah and then they want to kill him for it and he's like no like how does he deal with that it's like and he's this is a different dynamic again the norse and greek that he's having to kill gods because they believe him to be something he's absolutely not and that they have a good grievance to have with him but it's not the the accurate one so to speak um i mean it's yeah that that would imagine the boss fight between kratos and jupiter like that could be so cool as well i like the series because you can have it have these really meaningful stories but it's still like epic battles between the figures from the holiday well known and jupiter could have like immense respect and love for zeus even though we know zeus is a piece of shit in that history um and he could talk about like all the horrible things were done and yeah and you could obviously bring athena back there's there's nothing stopping you from doing that which would have very heavy uh drama why do i imagine like kratos worked his ass off to save and sort out egypt and then he went back at the end and found that like the norse willed had been ravaged by the roman pantheon something while he was gone oh yeah that'd be that'd be a gut punch wouldn't it and the reasoning for it is because of what he did to the greek one it'd be interesting like what kratos and and like set would uh like those sorts of interactions could be cool there's just like a lot of a lot of interesting interactions of just kratos with this guy kratos with that guy you know it's just yeah when you characterize as strong as kratos is now it's because it used to be i want to see kratos kill this person this person this but now it's like i want to see kratos talk to this person yeah i want to see kratos talk to rah or osiris or set like the most beautiful thing that happened with kratos and thor wasn't their fight it was kratos compelled like trying to compel him to stop to put down the hammer that shit was so good mm-hmm way better than the last fucking thor we saw yes it's not even comparable one of them is a clown one of them has a great character uh you're right back just one second that'd be good seriously just excited if you guys say something is bad it's only bad according to your standards right so how can you say it is universally bad you guys stand as just that solid also hello rags if we said something is universally bad i assume we're referring to just it's generally considered bad or something but also i've said something is universally bad um generally we say like something's generally regarded as universally good or bad but that a thing is universally bad i mean i don't know what we'd refer to as it would probably be something that is just bad in all of its categories it has no redeeming qualities um they said hello rags oh hello reya is of royal vania blood the vania earth god so her doing this is reasonable are we talking about when she uh crashed the whole forest around kratos in the opening yeah uh we've already seen her do foresty stuff um or with the giant like that that didn't seem like a shock to me at all um also hi rags hello do you think kratos is woke because he isn't no i don't think kratos is woke i have a brain oh uh if you if you think kratos is woke you legitimately you have like mind rot you need to cleanse yourself of the the goggles that you view everything in the world through grow up phenomenal game but i hate odin's design characterization great voice great but his look it's so bland and boring i don't agree that it's bland and boring i can see why people wouldn't like it but i think it fits him pretty well i am quite fond of it uh i just think it all matches it's how i would expect the man to dress this i i think he holds himself the way i expect him to with how everything was shown to me of what he is what he does and yeah i was just very happy with it as for people finding it to be bland and boring it's like yes fair whatever i thought and odin were both very controversial and yes if if the biggest complaint you have about odin is his appearance hey pretty good stuff honestly yeah i was just really happy with the character i remember being so sad that it was like another 15 hours into the game before i even got another scene with him because i was just like please i want more odin and Thor um and i did get it uh i love the approach McCreary takes with his music his efforts are what make Godzilla king of the monsters one of my favorite soundtracks it wouldn't surprise me that that soundtrack is yeah i just i can't remember anything about it personally but it's it's been a while and i just remember charles dances in it and he says like three lines or something yeah then he's gone and also that they knew portland or something boston boston i can't remember like the boston and they have a terrible cover of godzilla at the end credits because movies just love terrible covers movie was weird and there's an even weirder one that came out we have what kong versus godzilla oh i thought you meant because i was about to say remember in the episode of willow where they have that dog shit tier cover of black hole sun i i actually ate the person who made the soundtrack for a willow they need to be stopped you need to be told to sit down everyone involved in making that show needs to just consider a different career path started from a mirror and ask yourself why why did you do it what possessed you and warwick please take some acting fucking lessons please a little bit yeah in a game where everything else is so richly designed odin's average appearance feels so out of place he looks nothing like the craven monster he was built up as in 2018 how about that i i was about to say why do you think that is why do you think that when they tell us he backstabs everybody he distrusts everybody steals things he annihilates like worlds he punishes and tortures everybody when you meet him he's like hi how you doing how about that you don't look like a backstabber yeah i think that i think you've just summed up the point perfectly in as little words as possible it's uh i quite love it i i loved his uh his vibe when he first walked in because of the fact that like looking back anyway at the time i was still like really trying to figure out what we were dealing with because even with thor uh he makes a really quick good impression but you still want to have the whole game uh or rather the whole story so that you can understand exactly what was being done but um just mami is part of what clued me on to being like oh man this is this is super interesting was mami is like almost desperate anger when he's uh he's he's pulled out of his little hiding spot um yeah because like it's it's just like you know calm down odin's being chill and it's like no that's that's kind of the point he's really like he's and he does it again when atreus talks about going to asgard he's just like what the fuck is wrong with you like i have been trying to tell you for ages anything you're thinking about in terms of oh no it'll work because this is like that's all a part of it that's all the the fucking pantomime he's putting on stop i have told you this a million times over stop trusting him and then synthetic man i was like he seems like a kind old chill dude like what i don't get it he seems so nice like yeah that's because you're a fool yes uh he doesn't rely on physical might or appearances can be deceiving doesn't mean his design had to be devoid of any kind of character see when you said bland and boring that's one thing but saying it's devoid of character i'm gonna have to say you're wrong on that one it's um it's very like uh uh grounded his appearance right he's wearing clothes he's remember as god is built like pragmatism his clothing will be pragmatic his approach to everything is like he's just he's a very like nuts and bolts type of guy but for the purposes of getting everything he wants and needs he's smart enough to try and look like that's not what he's doing what did heimdall say real power doesn't reveal itself until it needs to or something like yeah i think so odin for you i know nothing about god of war but i'm already crying probably about the fan ring the thing yeah which people still like wow you guys were defending that even though it's just like look if you can't deal with the arguments go away it's funny i was watching uh andle because that that our uh breakdown that'll be coming up um it'll be fucking rejoiced for many of your fans i imagine and uh you know um it's like the episode literally passed the one that we watched up to three and uh remember security guard man that we were quite fond of uh yeah yeah yeah yeah so uh we see him like i think the first time we see him in episode four he's gone home like his his original home i think to see his mom opens the door and i think uh i think she slaps him and then hugs him because obviously what's happened and i can't remember if he's tearing up or not but it's clearly sold as like a quite an emotional moment and i was just thinking to myself like if people really not get it like because you can make this argument for everything i'd be like i don't know this woman i've never met her before how am i supposed to interpret this scene how am i supposed to feel anything it's like plus his mom and she's probably slapping him for the mistakes he made in that operation and then she's hugging him because she loves him and he's trying to remain as stalwart and professional but it's the woman who raised him and so he's gonna crumble a little bit in front of it right like we know this because we know what mothers are typically speaking well a lot of us had them uh as well as we've seen you live with them you really get to know them well you've you've seen other stories in which there are parents so what i'm getting at is the same thing as fanrear it's like these uh these are basic things like usually the complaint comes in when there's zero context to understand the emotional stakes of what's happening i know atreus i know what it's like to have a pet it's sad when they die pretty simple if you're gonna be like that's just manipulation um i just i just start to wonder i might even think that i need to think about how i would categorize what is manipulative and what isn't yeah that would be an interesting discussion to delve into because i would probably start out by getting a bunch of examples being like well this one probably we don't i don't feel this is manipulation i feel like this is why let's find out why what what are the differences between manipulation and just i mean just i don't even know what's the inverse of manipulation being convinced well yeah because synthaniman called the uh the the bear thing manipulation is like i mean it just seems would we say earned or it is what it is it's just the same playing out as you would expect it to like when luke says i am a jedi like my father before me just like manipulation you're trying to manipulate me into believing that he is a jedi like his father before him um because yeah if uh you know if if you're watching a story unfold or that it just cuts to a little puppy who's dying slowly while suffering and then it cuts back to the story are they like we put that scene in there to make people feel sad i would be like what the fuck it looks like what are you doing but yeah you know we'll probably go over that the next time we feel like something like that happens i mean the zero one is a lot of what people want to reference in elasvis too and yeah it's just it's because it's so incredibly blatant and it's so poorly constructed in terms of uh there's one goal in mind and it's to make you sympathetic for that guy so that when he dies you can feel what abbey feels and then you can be on his side they did it so badly and it's so absurd to the scenario and yeah before the event happens too it's so funny if you can see through the in universe thing to just see what the purpose what what it's trying to tell you or what its purpose is that might be a way to sort of solve it i think yeah because that is probably one of the better examples to try and figure this out because if someone said like don't you think what he did is a good thing though i'd be like yes yes it shows that he's he's of a character that will rescue animals that are in need and stuff sure any problem is that doesn't really change what he does in the fireflies and what that decision means for example like if i'm beating someone to death because they uh they cheated in a game of cards you're like wow that's that's terrible and then you're like ah but you don't know the context behind it all or additional information it turns out they killed my whole family or something like oh okay but in this case it was more so do you know that yesterday before more did all of that he saved a cat from a tree like that doesn't change much of anything actually sure that's there's a good that he did that but you're not going to make it so that i now feel bad that joe killed him that's not happening you have to do a lot more than that the only problem is of course they to do what they want to make me feel on abby's side so to speak you need to change what happened in the last one but it's too late you can't it's its own done or it's never too late to try it oh they did try yeah meanwhile like you know ragnarok is just building its story it's not contradicting anything so that may be how i how i would try and uh sort of decipher what would be manipulation but like i said i um some people have asked like why i don't do more writing and it's like part of it because i'm still trying to figure out what i think of when i'm breaking down all these different stories and methods and now to be one for the the future to think about maybe digimon of the day is vaikmon vaikmon all right what do we got man you just don't know what you're gonna get with digimon do you really you legitimately don't which is uh yeah the fuck how come he wasn't in god of war it looks like it looks like an abominable snowman it's mixed with blastoise price you you could like see some of the ideas that they were having have just lashed hard you're like what's uh what's what's the goal here exactly do you like well it was some kind of addable i hazard to guess it was some kind of it then they like want to go with like a viking influence possibly but then also just those big fists i'm not sure what's going on there he's very strong he is he's a big fister not a fan personally i'm not a fan either i love when fringy says stuff with finality and confidence like that should have killed him he is absolutely dead he's dead i know yeah i hear it in fringy's voice yeah yeah also play ddlc dumbo's perhaps maybe one day maybe usually did you play the lost spirit side quest in vanaheim they reveal quite a bit about phased character that was previously unknown i did i was in part n or 11 of my playthrough but yeah he done made a mess in the hopes of stopping thaw which really helps out the uh additional understanding of the character uh but what if chris redfield punched boulder oh i hear puns that's existed like all this time it's probably the most famous thing about that game is that chris that isn't it absurd that there's like a quick time event where chris has to punch a boulder to death to solve his problem it's funny uh when you fight a boulder that you do have a moment as great as we punch big old stone wall to knock out portions of it to then throw it on to him but it's like yeah but he's a god like chris is a guy and he punched a boulder and chris is just a man whose biceps are as thick as his midsection right he's uh two-thirds of his width is just his arms uh love the game but here are some of my complaints fey confirmed near powerful as thaw thaw not the thaw from the last game he beat his own son to death pointless giant mass suicide via marbles you just well so fey went toe to toe with him because of the axe i thought that was the implication they made the axe in order to have it put up with uh put up a fire against thaw i think that was the idea um we don't know the nature of their fight exactly but yes she was uh fey being lau fey apparently she was like quite an incredibly impressive warrior giants are obviously judging from the game you get all kinds of different results if you're a giant you could be huge you could be small you can have different magical powers fey was a very strong warrior um he mirrors kratos quite a bit in terms of her abilities from what i think the implications are hence their kindred spirits sort of thing but i don't really have any problem with that uh it doesn't contradict anything from my knowledge and then pointless giant mass suicide via marbles i mean as d