What's up everyone? It's your girl, Kenty here from Layton Sports Cards and I am ripping 2021 Panini Prism Football Hobby, six box, half case break, number 37. Pick your team. Gonna go over the team to you real quick and we'll get started. Got Jose S. Cardinals, Ryan G. Falcon, Steve R. Ravens, Hank S. Bills, Jeffrey H. Panthers, Scott B. Bears, Sungik K. Bengals, Kwasing C. Browns, Charles B. Cowboys, Jeffrey H. Broncos, Gilouami L. with the Lions, Thomas L. Packers, James M. Texans, Ryan P. Colts, Harvey P. Jags, Thomas L. Chiefs, Joe O. Raiders, Jeremy S. Chargers, Jose S. Rams, Nicholas T. Dolphins, David F. Vikings, Nadzidha S. Patriots, Robert G. Saints, Hudson P. Giants, Michael B. Jets, Justin P. Eagles, Daniel W. Steelers, James B. Niners, Tong-L, Seahawks, U, Chul-C, Bucks, Ryan G. Titans, and Ryan P. Washington. All right, best of luck, everybody. Here we go. Again, let's get flawless football filled up. Big hit potential there, but it pulls some really beautiful cards out of flawless. Yes, he was, Blake. All right, here we go. Good luck, everybody. You know, Farley, Chasarot, we've got Blue Ice to 99, Bud 2 Pre, Titans, and Silver, Kenneth Murray. Elijah Moore, Jake Funk, got Red Waves to 149, Jared Goff, Lyons, and Hype of Joey Breen. Be second here. Got Mack Jones, rookie Patriots, Pete Werner, Green Hyper, sorry, just Hyper to 175, Jamar Jefferson, Lyons, and Silver, Devin White. Got Mills, Mafia, rookie Texan, shy Smith, the Blue Wave, Mike Alstott to 199 Bucks, and new recruits, rookie Devonte Smith, Michael Carter, rookie Ernest Jones, Purple Ice to 225, Tony Boselli, Jags, and Silver, rookie of shy Smith, Panthers. Sean Slater, big moves, rookie Steelers, Green Scope to 75, Allen Robinson, the second Bears, and fireworks, DK Mecca. I'm looking for some autos here. I'm Luzerrique, Greg Newsom, the second, Purple Power Rookie of Audi-Yingbo for the Colts, and Green Scope Rookie, Simifogo for the Cowboys to 75. Dallas with the Rookie Auto there, 34 of 75, Xavin Collins, Monty Rice, Orange Wave to 60 for the Bears, Akeem Hicks, and Kyler Murray on the Brilliance. Got Herbie second here. Rondell Moore, rookie Cardinals, Kylan Hill. We've got Purple to 125, Marcus Peters-Ravens, and Purple Power Sensational Signatures of Reggie Bush for the Dolphins. Wow, that's one you don't see too often. 35 of 49 on the Reggie Bush. Miami. Dolphins Reggie Bush. Got Jamar Chase-Rookie. Javon Holland, Hyper to 175, Marshawn Latimore Saints, and Hype Blue Ice to attack of Iloa Dolphins to 99. Downey Brown, Racing McMath, Red Wave to 149, Shane Buccelli, Chiefs and Silver all out, A.J. Brown. Right, Brandon, that's what I'm saying. I haven't seen that one yet. Dallas with Patrick, Elijah Molden. We've got Orange to 225, Brock Lesnar for the Vikings. That's sick. Minnesota. David F. It's pretty well centered too. Maybe a little bit low than high, but left to right looks pretty good. That is 236 to 249. We'll mag that, Lesnar. And Hargraves, the third silver. All right, let's see. Let's see where we are on Flawless, the one year badge. Still six to go on Flawless, everyone. Let's get this one filled up. It's coming up. There is the link. Again, all teams are on sale. All tier one teams left too. Big boys still remain in that.  Seth Williams, Kenneth Gainwell. Orange to 249, Fletcher Cox, Eagles. Jerry Judy Hype, Kille Herbert, Quitty Pay. Hyper rookie to 175, DeWayne Eskridge, Eagles. And Silver, C.D. Lam, second year. Greg Russo, Jamie and Davis. We've got Navy Campbell to 25, Rashawn Gary Packers. And New recruits, Rookie, Najee Harris. Tyson Campbell, J2 Felly. We've got Purple to 125, Rookie, Jalen Phillips-Dolphins. And Silver, Darius Leonard Lockdown. Calvin Joseph, Rashawn Bateman. Hyper to 175, Tyler Lockett-Seahawks. And Silver will fuller the fifth. Sam Ellinger, Tyler Wallace. Blue Wave to 199, Derrick Brown. Panthers, Silver, Jamie Collins. And everyone, only spots left with group breaks today. During the daytime is flawless football case breaks. Coming up after prism, Ian Buck-Rookie. It's ironic, we've got Purple to 225, Nicole Harmon, Jr. Chiefs. And Emergent of Trevor Lawrence. Let's get these filled up. And Force will be live starting at five this afternoon with some baseball, a couple basketball breaks, and then football. Cornell Powell, Jared Dokes. 249, David Montgomery Bears. And Silver, Rookie, Otto. Trey Sermon for the Niners. There you go, 49ers. Trey Sermon. Peyton Turner, Sante Samuel, Jr. Greenscope to 75, Carson Wentz-Coltz. And Derrick Henry, Brilliants. Amber Thomas, Amari Rogers. Purple to 125, DK Metcalf, Seahawks. And Silver, Rookie, Hunter Long, Dolphins. We've got Rookie, Kyle Trask, Jabril Cox. Red wave to 149, Jimmy G. for the Niners. Oh, 49ers, 143, 149, Calvin Ridley Fireworks. Truba Hubbard, Rookie Panthers. Dometric Felton, we've got Blue wave to 199. Davis Mills for the Texans. Mills Mafia there. Houston is James M. Nice hit there. That is 135 out of 199. We'll mag that Mills and Blue wave Rookie, Shai Smith for the Panthers to 199, too. I'm missing an auto out of that box. Just the Sermon. Only one auto out of that box, y'all. Box three. Kenneth Gainwell, Khalil Herbert. Rookie, Iced to 225, DJ Moore, Panthers. Mack Jones, Fireworks. The RPA coming up, y'all. Let's see a big one. Quitty Pay, Greg Russo. We've got Blue wave to 199, Rookie, Carlos Boogie-Basham, Bills. RPA, Rookie, Cornell Powell for the Chiefs on the three colored patch. Nice hit there. 51 out of 99 on the Cornell Powell. This RPA. Jamie and Davis, Ambry Thomas. We've got Orange to 249, Christian Wilkins, Dolphins, and Rookie, Trey Lantzbreak. Murray Rogers, Kyle Trask, Rookie, Bucks. Green Scope to 75, David Carr, Texans. And we've got to 99, Sensational Signatures, Dak Prescott, Cowboys. Ego Dallas, Charles B. On the Dak Auto. Congrats on that one. We'll mag that for ya. Harvey Second here. Cox, Chuba Hubbard, Rookie, Panthers. Purple to 125 at Oliver Bills, and fireworks of Joe Burrow. Metric Felton, Jacob Harris. Orange to 249, Elijah Mulden, Rookie Titans. Silver, Derek Carr. Chris Evans, Jalen Phillips. We've got Hyper to 175, Big Ben for the Steelers. And Silver, David Johnson. Eric Stokes, Micah Parsons, Rookie, Cowboys. Orange to 249, Kenyon Drake Raiders. And Silver, Kenyon Drake. Terrace Marshall Jr., Jamar Jefferson. We've got Navy Camo to 25, Deontay Johnson Steelers. And Rookie Emergent, Trey Sermon Niners. J2K Belly, Kelvin Joseph. Got Hyper Rookie, Elijah Mitchell to 175 Niners. And Silver, Antoine Winfield Jr., Bucks. Shot Bateman, Sam Ellinger. We've got Blue Ice to 99, Brian Burns, Panthers. And Brilliance, Nick Chubb for the Browns. Pryland Wallace, Seth Williams. Blue Wave to 199, Cortland Sutton Broncos. And Silver, Rookie, Racy McMaff, Titans. Right refresh, let's see where we are. Still six left, y'all, not budging on this flawless. Let's get this filled up. Again, Bangles, Cowboys, Texans, Patriots, Eagles, and Steelers. All left, all on sale. There is the link for that. Let's get that one filled up. All tier one teams too. Big hitters in that. Elijah Mitchell, Tray Lance, Rookie Niners. Hyper to 175, Derrick Henry Titans. And Silver, Irv Smith Jr. Christian Barmore, Scridge. Blue Wave to 199, Jalen Rigger Eagles. And Break Rookie at Trevor Lawrence. God, Joey B, second year. And Patrick Jones, the second. Purple color match here to 125, Chesterette Vikings. And Silver, Darius Slay. Junior. Mayor Smith, Marcette, Tray Nixon. 249, Michael Karine, Jax. And Fireworks, Rookie, Justin Fields. Bears, pulling your leg. Uh-oh. Big Palm, Shremble, Orange Wave to 60, Gross Matos, Panthers. And Silver, Mack Jones, Rookie. Patriots. There you go, Pat. Great hit there. Patriots. Who had them? Nadeedza, S. There you go. Nice, Mack. Little dimple right there on the bottom left. Little dimple there. But we will nag that one for you. You took Steelers.  That'd be sick. Got Cadarius, Tony Rookie. Felipe, Franks. Red Wave to 149, Corey Littleton. And, speaking of, Naji here's Emergent. Got Travis E.T. and Junior, Gary Brightwell. We've got Jalen Waddle, Purple Ice to 225, Dolphins. Miami. Nicholas, there you go. Nice Waddle there. 176 out of 225. That is very well-centered, too. Very well-centered. There you go, Nicholas. We'll nag that one for you. Fantastic hit. And Greenscope, Rookie Otto, Gary Brightwell Giants. Right behind it. Three of 75. Yeah, Nicholas. Like I said, centering is very well. Aw, man, Sonny. Sure, there'll be more. Pick your teams for sure. There's still plenty of great teams left, though. You're looking for some flawless today. Speaking of, we've got Justin Fields, Rookie. Awosu Koromoa, Purple to 125, Javon Curse, Titans, and Darren Waller, Fireworks. Pats are still available unless you collect Fields Tutu, Darby, Red Wave to 149, Devon McCarty Pats, and Sean Alexander on the Sensational Signature Scope. 19 of 75. Seattle, that's a sick one, too. Seahawks, Tong-L. Nice hit there. We'll nag that one, too. Sean Wright, JC Horne. We've got Colliance Campbell on the Orange to 249. And we've got Gold, Fireworks, Kyle Pitt. Boom! And G on the Gold, Fireworks, five out of 10. Looks sick, the Gold, the Fireworks and the Gold. Wow. Congrats on that one, we'll nag that, too. Making Uzi work today on this prism. Even all day, the baseball's been hot, too, huh?  Sewell, Nico Collins. We've got Orange Wave, Rookie to 60, Felipe Franks for the Falcons. And Silver, Jalen Smith, last back box here. Backpack in box four. Tramacitty, we've got Najee Harris, Rookie Steelers. Yeah, this is a very nice box, huh? And Green Scope. The 75 will follow the Fifth Dolphins. And Silver, Robert Woods. All right, box five. There we go. Noah Gray, Givante Williams, Broncos. We've got a Navy Camo up next. Matt Stafford to 25 Rams. We are heating up 15 of 25. We'll nag that, too. Noah Phant Silver. Wow, heating up here at the end. That's for sure. Larry Roundtree, Devante Smith, Eagles Rookie. Hyper, T Higgins to 175, Bengals. And Fireworks, Najee Harris. Nick Bolton, Marquette Stevenson. Blue Wave, 199. Trevor, Lawrence. Jags, Harvey P. What is going on? 193 out of 199. Like an off-color match there for the Jags. Mag, that one. And Mike Evans Silver. Yeah, that was pretty OC, huh? We'll send a box of the Jags for you. That was pretty OC, like, more than usual. We've got Kellen Mann, Rookie. And Wang Wu, we've got Purple to 225. Juice McAllister, Saints in Emergence. Devante Smith, Rookie. PS2, Broncos. Minerts, Orange to 249. Darnell Mooney, Bears. Silver Rookie, Jake Funk, Rams. Think so, Sonny. Schwartz, Brevin Jordan. Blue Ice to 99. Antwan Winfield, Jr. And A.J. Brown, Brilliance. Jalen Darden, Chaserette. Blue Ice, Rookie to 99. Terrace Marshall, Jr. Nice color match there, Panthers. Five of 99. And Greenscope, Rookie Otto. Levi Anwuzarike, Lyons. 31 of 75. Elijah Moore, Rookie, Jake Funk. Purple to 125. Plexco Burris, Giants, and Ayuk on the hype. Mack Jones, Rookie, Patriots. Pete Werner, Saints. Red Wave to 149. Tom Brady, Bucks. Another one. Tampa, Yuchun L. All right, sorry, Yuchul C. Man, that is a sick color match there on the red. 102 out of 149. Well, Mack, not Brady. And we've got sensational signatures. Cracked Ice, Captain Kirk. There you go, Viking. 67 of 99. Kirk Cousins. Man, what a second half to this break. Box is getting hotter and hotter. Davis Mills, Rookie. Shy Smith, Panthers. Blue Wave to 199. Darius Leonard Colts. New recruits, Rookie Jamar, Chiefs. Michael Carter, Rookie Jets. Ernest Jones. Oh my goodness. Red Wave, Mack Jones, Rookie. Boom! What is going on in this sixth boxer? New England with another big hit. Wow. 72 of 149. Well, Mack, that one. Fort Uzi over here. All out, Silver CD. Last pack of Box 5. Rex Ryan, Rookie. Rashawn Slater, Pat Farham with Rookie Steelers. Purple to 225. Rashawn Gary and Silver, Javon Curse. All right, last box. Last box. Let me refresh here. Let's see where we are on Flawless. Got five, six, and nine. Five to go on Flawless now, everybody. Bengals, Cowboys, Texans, Patriots, and Eagles. Five to go. There is the link.  Then big teams still left in that one. Kenneth Gainwell, Kulil Herbert. We've got Purple Power. Kyle Rudolph to 49. Silver, Alan Robinson, the second. Burrow, second year. Quinty Payne, Greg Russo. Purple to 125. Keenan Allen for the Chargers. And fireworks of Patrick Mahomes. What's coming up, I think? Jayman Davis, Aubrey Thomas, Rookie. We've got Camo Navy, Rashawn Slater to 25 Chargers. Silver, Deuce McAllister. Debrille Cox, Shuba Hubbard, Rookie Panthers. Green, Hyper to 175. Chase Young, Washington. Annie Emergent, Travis Etienne Jr. Metric Felton, Amari Rogers. Purple, Iced to 225. Marvin Jones Jr., Jags. Silver, Rookie Chas, Serrat Vikings. Got Kyle Trask, Rookie, Bucks. Jacob Harris. Orange to 249. Dante Hall, Chiefs. And brilliance of Dak Prescott, Cowboys. We're now proud of your Dokes. Red Wave, Rookie to 149. Demetric Felton Browns. And we've got Forrest Camo, Rookie Auto, Quiddy Pay for the Colts. A lot of camos coming out too. That is 25 of 25 bookends. Colts on that one. Peyton Turner, Sante Samuel Jr. We've got Kyle and J. Chek, or sorry, Kyle Giusechek to 69ers. New recruits, Rookie of Zach Wilson. Tyson Campbell, J2Felly, Red Wave to 149. Ross Blacklock, Texans. And Silver, Sensational Signatures. Derek Carter, 149, Raiders. Nice hit, Raiders. We'll mag that. Calvin Joseph, Das Nussam, Blue Wave to 199. Akeem Davis-Gather. Bengels. And fireworks. Blueda, 99, Ice Jalen Waddle. There you go, Nicholas. Another nice waddle to go with the purple ice that you're getting. That is 12 of 99. Tacks left. Bateman, Ellinger. We've got Orange to 249. Givante, Williams, Broncos. Another pretty nice centering. A little bit closer on the left there. Up and down look good, though. There you go, Broncos, 114 out of 249. Dalvin Cook all out. Wallace, Seth Williams. Purple Ice to 225. Taryn Matthew Chiefs. And Silver, Byron Jones, Dolphins. Let's do a recap here. First up, Quidipay, Colts, Kirk Cousins, Vikings, Anusarike, Lyons, Braywell, Giants, Cornell Powell, RPA to 99 for the Chiefs. Trey Sermon, Niners, Reggie Bush, Dolphin, Simi Fajoco, Cowboys. And we have all of our mags here. The Derrick Carr to 149. Raiders, Mack Jones to 149. Patriots, Brady to 149. Bucks, T-Law to 199. Jags, Matt Stafford to 25. Rams, Gold, Kyle, Pitts, fireworks, Falcons. Sean Alexander, Sensational Signatures, Seahawks. Jalen Waddell to 225. Dolphins, Mack Jones, Silver Rookie Patriots. Dak Prescott on the Silver Auto, Cowboys. Davis Mills to 199. Texans, and Orange, Brock Lesnar for the Vikings. Wow, what a first half case. We've got the second half coming up in a few. Thank you, everybody.


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Hello folks this is Keith and this is you're listening to Talk to the Hand. I have with me this evening Brian Jennings who is going to be talking with me while I do some drawing. This is going to be a special video episode of Talk to the Hand and it will be recorded live. And while I do my little interview with Brian, he's going to be watching me draw a portrait of him. For those of you who don't know Brian Jennings, and he has a dog evidently. Brian is the son of, make sure I get your father's name right. He is William Brian Jennings as credit to the movie. Okay who was the sheriff in the original Manos the Hand of Fate and Brian here was cast as a sheriff in a sequel, an unfinished sequel that was filmed in 2011. We're going to be talking with Brian about about Manos and his father's experience with Manos and with his own experience with Manos. Jackie Ray Naiman is with us in the chat box and if you have any questions or if you have any comments type them in and we'll see them and we'll try to answer any questions you may have. Okay so I'm going to open up Photoshop here with a photo of Brian that I'm going to get started working on while we talk. I'm going to do my best to conduct the same kind of interview that I've done in previous episodes. I imagine there will be times when I'm somewhat distracted. I'm going to do my best. Thank you Brian for being here. You're welcome. Thank you for sending the photos. And take a couple of minutes to talk about your basic biography when and where you were born all that sort of good stuff. Okay I was born in Fort Worth Texas and my family moved to El Paso when I was two so I grew up in El Paso went to El Paso high school and in 1964 I graduated from there and went off to Texas Tech in Lubbock so I was gone in 66 when they were doing their thing out in the desert making Manos and I didn't see the movie until 1993 when Mystery Science Theater. So you weren't at the premiere at all. No no the rest of my family was but I was in college at the time. I noticed the the pictures you had of the premiere it didn't look like I saw you in it anywhere of course you would have been what 20 21 at the time. Yeah I was 20.  Yeah my long crock. Those pictures from the premiere by the way are amazing. They're so they're so what's the word for it the clothes and everything that everyone's wearing there's yeah they're so 1960s I guess. Yeah. Everyone dressed up like they're going to the prom it's amazing. Yeah it was a big deal. Yeah they rented a search light and rented a limousine and all kinds of stuff. Well tell me what did you hear much about it while the production was going on or did you even know what was going on? Yeah my parents kept me kind of informed on it. I had met Hal Warren previously and he and my father told me that they were going to make a movie and they were trying to get up money to do it and so I thought that was interesting. My father told me a little bit about the movie and I thought okay even more interesting but then I didn't hear a whole lot. Well my mother was the one who told me about the premiere and the aftermath of that. Oh boy what did she have to say? Oh she was she had invited all her friends and she dressed up and it was a big deal and she she said that she wished that she could just slink down under her seat and disappear. Oh that's sad. My father just didn't really say much after that. He didn't talk about it much. I can imagine. I mean as much as we love those of us who who are fans and were not involved as much as we love talking about it hearing about it I can imagine at the time the people who are involved it wasn't funny at all. No because they most of them thought that they were well-making as it as serious as you can make a cheap beam monster movie out in the desert but they didn't think it was going to be a comedy at that point. I imagine people who saw it at the premiere didn't think of it as a comedy either. I mean they might have been laughing but I doubt that they were. Yeah there were there were a lot of laughs and it got panned in the old puzzle paper the next day. Yeah. I don't know though I understand that Hal Hal said afterwards he said well you know maybe we could re-cut the movie and re-dumb it and and make it into a comedy but you never got the chance to do that. Yeah I've read that before and that was uh you have to wonder how serious he was at the time but who knows yeah this what I'm doing here by the way this is how I usually start with one of these portraits I start to finding the the essential lines that I want to work with and do I start out with basically just a trace job yeah and then and then I'll take that that trace sketch and use that as a starting point for a drawing and I'll put a lot more lines in here than are necessary the first pass. Yeah okay. I'm scratching all over it okay yeah so you didn't see the movie until Mr. Science Theater. No it disappeared pretty quickly. Yeah. Nobody knew where to find it we all thought that it was dead and gone. What how did you hear about it did you happen to see it on on television or did someone show it to you? Well that's that's the interesting thing it's just pure synchronicity. I checked into a motel room in Bandon, Oregon that afternoon January 30th of 93 and I turned on the TV and the TV was set on the the cable channel that played the Mystery Science Theater and there was something that they were showing something that was just really bad low quality and I was I was about to change channels. Oh boy. And then then a sheriff's car drove up and my father stepped out. Oh boy. And I knew immediately what it was. That's amazing. Yes I don't know how that happened. The monos the hands of fate works in strange ways. The hands reached across the years. Yes. And apparently they found they found the master that same afternoon. Yeah that's amazing isn't it? Yeah he was watching it from his home in Oregon that same day. That's a great story. Yes. What tell me a little bit about your first impression there when you I'm sure you dropped everything at that point. Yeah I just I just sat on the edge of the bed and watched it. It's kind of like watching the train wreck. I couldn't put myself away but yeah I well my impression was boy this is even worse than they told me. Yeah. But but still it had there was something kind of charming to it. Oh yes yes. But I at that point I mean that was Saturday afternoon cable TV. I didn't really think much of it. I didn't think it was going to go anywhere so I was even more amazed when the VHS tapes and DVDs and stuff started popping up and I started reading about it in magazines and all of that and and it our whole family has just been amazed at the whole process. Yeah well it's like he said there's there's a charm to the movie there really is. Yeah. As I said before on my little talk show here it's it's obvious that everyone in the movie was doing the best they could. Yeah. They were doing the best they knew how to do and there was sincerity in their performances and and that's what makes the difference. You see you see movies where the people who are making it obviously just didn't care and the movies are just unwatchable. Yeah. And as unwatchable as Manos can be sometimes when you sit and watch it and you think about these people in the El Paso Desert in 1966 working hard on making an independent film you can't you can't take your eyes off it. Yeah. Yeah. It has kind of a personal feel to it. You get to those people and you feel for them as they're out there doing. You do. And with with Tom Naiman just going whole hog and just really believing his part is the screaming murderer of lunatic. Yeah. He obviously determined to make it work. Yeah. And believe it while doing it. Yes. Well I guess maybe Jackie has told you that that he studied to be a minister and so he was just applying his ministerial skills to being the priest of Manos I guess. I did not know that. Is that true Jackie. We'll see if Jackie is going to respond to that. Speaking of which I had I had said in a earlier episode of talk to the hand that there was going to be an interview with the master and I think there will be. He is for those who don't know he is recovering from surgery and it's been a slow process but Jackie tells us that he has come along. Yeah. And so I think it will happen. He did a lengthy video interview with Ben Salove for material that is going to be on the Yeah. On the Blu-ray restoration of the film. So I was very pleased to hear that that's that that's been done and and as Jackie told us it was it was apparently a really amazing interview. Really looking forward to that. As Jackie says her dad went to Texas Christian University become a minister early 60s. Wow. Yeah. And he's he's quite a guy. I was at the interview when Ben did his taping. Oh really. Yeah that that was the first time I've met Tom. Really. Yeah and the interview was quite amazing and he's just an amazing guy all around. So I hope you're able to get something from him. But yeah he just opened up and talked about the whole thing and and I learned a lot of little details that I didn't know until then. Yeah. Well he's uh he's the guy to go to. He was right in the middle of all of it. Yeah. Tom and his his whole family really made manos what it is. I don't know what it would have been like if it had just been howl and his own ideas. Because Tom created so much of the stuff the hands and right the other things and his wife made costumes and of course of course Jackie was a little Debbie and I guess she has said plenty about her feelings about having done that. Yeah. Yeah. Jackie's been she's been on Talk to the Hand twice. I guess she's the closest thing to a regular the show has. Yeah. And then she'll be on again I'm sure. This is this is coming along nice I've got a nice nice tracing here. Yeah that's looking good. I'll I'll do line work and then I'll do color work as well and we'll see that coming up in a few minutes. Well tell tell us more about your dad but his how he got involved with the the local theater there and how he got to be cast of the sheriff or as much as you know. Okay he was he and my mom both went to TCU also a lot of a lot of coincidences between Jackie's family and mine. We were both born in Fort Worth we both ended up in El Paso went to El Paso high she didn't go as long as I did but my father my father went to TCU then he went off in the Navy in World War II then he came back and went to law school and became a lawyer and moved to El Paso so he was making his living as a lawyer though I think he would really have enjoyed being a professional singer and actor if he did that but he's just did a lot of amateur theater work and singing and and he got involved with the festival theater in El Paso just a little tiny cracker box theater that put on all kinds of plays and he and Tom and John Reynolds and how we're all involved in that so where they met and and that's how they all got involved in this this movie the movie was Hal's idea as I understand which which according to legend he got from a meeting with Sterling Sullivan who was in El Paso a few years earlier probably shooting an episode of Route 66 at the time and as I understand it they were having coffee together and and and Hal said something like it couldn't be that hard to make a movie and Sullivan said oh you'd be surprised and Hal said I bet I I bet I could make a movie and and Sullivan of course thought that he has taken on way too much but as it turned out Hal did make a movie and and Hal didn't live long enough to see it come back with a vengeance in the 90s right Sterling Sullivan did oh he did yeah Sterling Sullivan lived well long enough to see to see Manos the hands of fate do you know do you know if do you know if Sullivan had anything to say about it I've I've never heard that he said anything it would be interesting to know if he did yeah it would be I wonder who would who would know I imagine it would have been very possible that he would have been aware of Mystery Science Theater and Manos without knowing what it was yeah that's really interesting I don't so there after after it came back and became popular on Mystery Science Theater the the legend got around so much about Sterling Sullivan's bet with Hal and a lot of the other legendary stuff that I feel like he must have heard about somewhere along the way yeah those those maybe questions we'll never we'll never have answers to when did Hal pass away it was like 1985 86 something like that maybe Jackie could refresh my memory yeah he he died I think he died of lung cancer um but yeah I don't believe I knew what he died of I knew he died in I thought for the longest time he died in 1980 I thought I'd read that somewhere but it was but no it was the mid 80s I remember so he missed uh the rediscovery of Manos by almost a decade yeah so it wasn't exactly a close miss but yeah I don't know we we all wish he could have seen it yeah did you have any involvement with the the theater um had you uh done any work with the little theater with your dad or with company no no I've I've been in I've been in two scripted performances in my whole life one of them was a performance at at our church and the other one was the sequel to Manos well um when uh uh when did your father pass away what year was that in the uh December of uh well it was 2005 oh oh that uh yeah that wasn't uh that long ago oh I I had no idea so he he saw the revival of Manos then wow he was well aware what did he have to say about it he mostly just shook his head and disbelieved he didn't talk much about it my mother thought it was pretty funny uh to the point to the point that one year at Christmas uh I was down there in Texas missing with him and uh uh I had a videotape of Manos uh with me and and she invited a bunch of her friends and and we had a Manos showing them and they were all quite amazed oh that's wonderful I I had uh I had no idea um uh Ben Salovey I believe uh mentioned to me that uh and you said earlier that uh uh your father did some singing but Ben thought that he uh was an amateur opera singer he was um I I don't know if he actually did any real opera well well yes he he did amateur opera he did some with uh in El Paso they had the college community opera which was uh uh UTEP and members of the community would put on performances and he did sing some with them but but mostly he preferred to uh uh sing in the Broadway musical type shows or religious songs with the church choir okay well that's um uh when Ben uh said that to me that made me pay attention to Ben because my father was an amateur opera singer and uh when I was uh very young I have uh dim memories of him participating in uh Gilbert and Sullivan uh productions you know the gondoliers and yeah and uh things like that so okay I'm gonna have to um think of more to talk about while I'm trying to draw at the same time what else can you what other stories do you have well talk about your experience with uh working in the new movie okay just tell whatever story you like while I yeah yeah and uh in I guess early 2011 uh the guy who's making who's trying to make the sequel to Manos got in touch with me he had uh he had met my nephew who is a commercial filmmaker does commercials and promotional films and such in Austin Texas and he had met my nephew and had found out that that he was the grandson of the sheriff in Manos and and found out that I existed and uh and he was trying to get together people to do the sequel so so he got in contact with me he called me and asked if I would like to be the sheriff uh and I said sure sounds like fun so so so he hired me on right there and he got together a really talented group of people in El Paso in December of 2011 and uh spent a week there shooting just a lot of scenes probably about a third of the movie uh but uh he didn't have the money or the technical stuff at that point to finish it a lot of us thought that uh we we were wishing that we could just go ahead and shoot it all right there go out in the desert and do it like Hal did but he had some ideas about doing green screen and uh generate and stuff and and fight scenes and whatever that we're gonna take studio work and he didn't have the money for those at that point so uh so we had a lot of fun in El Paso I met Jackie and uh I met Diane who played Margaret in the movie and she's still alive and doing quite well uh and we we had some fun but uh I I don't know he's still trying to get it together trying to overcome financial and copyright issues and so I don't know what's going to come up but I I'd really like to see to see it finished or to see a sequel finished even if somebody else wants to do some yeah yeah it's going this far yeah now the the sheriff that you played was this was this character the same sheriff that your father played or was this no this this would have been the son of the sheriff that my father uh like Jackie had aged the whatever 46 years uh and and so they were using the today Jackie to play the grown-up Jackie and Diane uh also uh well Diane uh they they put some some rather hideous uh monster scar makeup on her so so even though she looks pretty good in real life in the movie scene if you ever saw that it's uh she's pretty gruesome but they they were playing themselves uh 46 years later and and I was playing the son of the sheriff from the previous movie okay yeah that was uh that was something I had I had wondered for some time I knew that uh Jackie and Diane had to be playing their original characters but I just I didn't know what uh yeah which role you're in but that's that's very interesting um the uh one point that I uh wanted to make when you mentioned Diane and I've mentioned it on the show before is that she is very much alive and the uh uh the rumors that uh that she was not alive no idea how or where they got started but they're wrong uh and uh and um I had seen um pictures of her at these uh various man of events like the uh like the rift tracks event and yeah and uh I had seen pictures of her on people's uh Facebook pages like yours and others without knowing who I was looking at yeah and uh you know it took me some time before I realized oh that's Diane so yeah yeah she she still still looks pretty good she's close to my age she would have had to be 14 years old when Jackie when Debbie was born to be Debbie's mother uh yes I I do think it's amazing that uh she was she was 21 years old and uh um I and all the times I've seen the movie I never once questioned that that she that she was mature enough to be the mother of that little girl yeah um I think uh I think Hal was right uh to realize when you met her that she was uh that she was a star material and didn't belong in the ranks with the the nameless wives yeah yeah I she I didn't realize how young she was for some time after I'd seen the movie uh um because she I guess she uh just acted more mature in the movie she did though I I did realize that Hal was was pushing it to be her husband see he was about 25 years older than she was like he he made the right call though she was yeah she was the right girl for the job um yeah I think without her um um it would be a much more uh difficult movie to watch she's the only uh I think she played the only stable character in the movie and she did it she did it so believably let's see how this is looking doing the um doing the line work like this it always looks kind of like a kind of haunting for a while and zombie like yeah people without eyeballs and yeah uh this is how it works well uh brian I see um every time I see uh an event on uh the official manos fan club that jackie runs there at uh at facebook um it seems like uh your picture always shows up in the bunch you're you're everywhere yeah so um you're uh you're up for I think you said in one of our emails you're up for anything manos oh yeah pretty much I'm I'm I'm semi-retired at this point and uh and I have time to do silly things like this and and this is kind of this is kind of the legacy my father left me he didn't leave me else so uh so I've been having fun going to manos events and yeah yeah that's nice um I'm going to try to uh race through these uh these parts of the drawing here with the hat and the clothes and everything that require less detail mm-hmm so we can get on with it and get some color on here before uh before the full hours up I wanted to get get it done in an hour yeah um this is uh this is usually about how fast I work um even when I'm working without an audience but I am uh I am rushing here a bit of course when I'm not uh when I'm not doing a performance I'll I'll stop and leave things and uh sometimes for days or weeks at a time but um it's interesting how uh I started off as a as a caricaturist at uh at an amusement park in Houston and it's interesting how turning art into a performance affects your your art yeah um it uh I'm not sure how to describe it it makes you it makes you more efficient I guess it keeps you on edge uh I guess like any other kind of performance you hear anyone who's in any kind of performing or acting or singing or sports or whatever so when they're uh when they're in front of an audience when people are watching their performances tend to be uh tend to be uh some of their best work and it's true for artists as well mm-hmm it it uh for the most part it improves my art I think yeah um so anyway I um uh I do these uh I do these portraits let me look at what color your hair actually is here so your hair is light yeah kind of a graying sandy yeah I do these uh these portraits I I sell these portraits and part of the um part of the package is doing a a live recording like this if people want and uh giving them a not only do they get to uh see it live but they get a recording that they can uh that they can put on YouTube or is keep for themselves or whatever um it makes it more interesting yeah um what color are your eyes actually a blue kind of a steely blue okay okay I noticed Jackie Jackie tells me to uh talk about events I've been to for monos El Paso LA Seattle uh yeah I my wife and I went to the the rift tracks live show in Nashville as special guests we got free seats all we had to do was pay for the trip to get there but but that was a lot of fun there were several of us there were some of the original monos people and some of the uh monos the sequel people in the and and that was a lot of fun and really a big cake um and then uh okay in December of last year uh Jackie and I both went to the uh to Ben's showing of his restoration at the Hollywood International Film Festival and did a Q&A afterward and and so that was fun and it kind of amazed us uh how much better the the worst movie ever made looks like with restoration it is astonishing isn't it yeah in fact uh I told him not to make it look too good or it might lose its ranking as the worst movie ever made and he said oh he didn't think we had to worry about that but it really is amazing how how blue that little blue room was and yeah and you had no idea and how red uh Diane's hair was and you can't tell when you saw it on tv yeah yeah the the print they found was ahead doled with age quite a bit but yeah it's just amazing how how good the photography was how good the yeah the pictures actually came out but anyway this this year april of this year brian cook in portland restaged his uh stage play of monos which he had done a few years ago and he wrote it and added things to it and so i was there and i guess you know jackie was doing voice for jackie the puppet yeah debbie the puppet debbie was the puppet a a very large doll in the play in portland and jackie was in the sound room doing the voice for little debbie which was a switch on the original movie where somebody else a grown woman was doing the voice yeah for jackie that must have been strange that must have been because i did uh i talked with brian about that and i've talked with jackie as well but of course i haven't seen it uh and i'm having trouble picturing what that must have been like that's all kind of crazy yeah yeah and he's uh i guess he's going to have a dvd of it that's yeah that's what he's planning and and then in uh august and we all went to seattle ben was there jackie was there and i was there uh for uh uh racial jackson's uh monos the hands of pelt puppet play which was just just it was hilarious just uh they just had a lot of fun with monos i did get to see uh a video recording she had made of her previous production of that so uh so i do sort of know what what that was like but yeah you have been everywhere haven't you yeah i just all of monos around the country okay i'm gonna do i'm gonna try to slap on color here real fast okay it's um it's amazing how these um these uh these drawings will snap into three dimensions when you start putting the color on them i think you can start to see it happening already with the eyes yeah i'm gonna put a some gray blue eyes here steely blue eyes yeah put it yes piercing steely blue eyes for the the sheriff of alpasev county yeah well what's uh what's coming up do you have any plans to travel to any manless events or anything else for that matter i'm not at present time i'm just waiting to see what else comes but who's gonna do something else there were some people in chicago who did uh musical of monos and uh i think jackie's tried to get in touch with them and uh i i have from what i from what little i've read or heard about that it uh it it wasn't very well received uh as one can imagine uh which makes it fit the whole pattern i guess yeah i uh you mentioned it i do recall hearing about that uh they made it uh it was the one with had a poster with um all sorts of other uh all sorts of other retro movie restable references like ghostbusters and and stuff like is that the one you were thinking of i i don't recall seeing that i i don't know yeah i have i have a few pictures from it that i found on a website somewhere um so i've seen some pictures from the production thing that's about all i've seen and there have also been at least a couple of video games made of monos the um the guy who made the the um uh the 8-bit retro game the nintendo style game he was one of my interviews and uh he just completed when when i interviewed him he said that his next his next dream was to do a video game based on the angry video game nerd and uh the the nerd and his people saw his manos game and contacted him and actually asked him uh if he wanted to make a game and he said well i just happened to have this he'd already been working on it and uh it just um just this weekend became fully available and it is um right up there at the top of purchases for for the week on on steam who uh where it was officially released and right behind some of the biggest name uh biggest video game names and uh yeah it's just real pleasing to see he yeah it's pretty cool manos uh the hand of manos is far reaching yeah i notice uh jackie comments that she's talking with the creator of monos rock opera a fate on tuesday so maybe we'll hear more after that oh is that the rock opera fate is that what we were talking about yeah yeah yeah i think that's the one yeah yeah if they decide to restage that one i might have to make a trip to chicago or wherever they wherever they put it on what is this uh my delinium of yours look like that's gold yeah the little texas star which that belonged to my father so that's that so i could have something of his when i was uh shooting the scenes in the movie that's nice okay this is uh this is coming along nicely for uh as quick as it's been done yeah it's looking good what uh okay we're just about at the uh at the end of the hour i'll do a little bit more then we'll wrap things up okay this has been uh this has been nice i hope i get to uh opportunities to do more uh live art streams like this in the future yeah uh and this was a this was an easier an easier job than it often is because of the quality of the photo yeah i didn't have uh you know it was nice a large clear uh photo it's um it can be difficult when um you're limited on the photos that you can work with i'll show you what i mean in a minute um excuse me let's put a little bit of uh shading here let myself to uh a little bit of uh just a quick shading work mm-hmm it'll make uh it'll make quite a bit of difference just uh steven i hope um i hope it actually shows up on the on the on the live picture jackie says it does yeah looks good to me doing it this quickly doing it this quickly i always run the risk of overdoing it yeah so if if i do overdo it just keep in mind i'll correct plenty of time to correct it later okay let's take a look at the photo and see how the the shadow of the hat yeah you were saying earlier that you're feeling a bit congested yeah just had a cold and bronchitis for the last few days i think i'm getting over it now i have to go go to work at seven in the morning so you're going to work yeah that's right you said you're semi-retired yeah what is it you do well right now i'm driving to school bus about 32 hours a week i'm getting my social security so i i quit my other job my second job which was driving the bookmobile also long and saturdays during the school year oh bookmobile that's awesome yeah yeah it was a lot of fun but i decided after 14 summers spent doing that i'd like to have a little more free time to go to monos puppet plays things like that and that's that's great that's awesome this um putting in this shading here makes you look very serious yes well i'm the toughest sheriff in america nobody no matter what joe joe arpaio in phoenix says i like the hair a little bit darker i'm working a little bit too redheaded there a little bit of a bit of shading in the hair just these little bits just a few hints of of shade just one or two little hints of it can make make a huge difference yeah um this is pretty good this is coming up to that's looking really good i'll uh i'll do some finishing up work on the uh and it's going to need some more darker shadow up around the cap there and i'll even do a little bit of uh see how i can drop in a little bit of highlights here mm-hmm uh wanda says it's a very handsome sheriff yeah this is um uh this has been a real pleasure uh i want to thank you again for for uh participating that's uh uh interview was very uh informative and enjoyable this particular instance given me an opportunity to uh to show more of uh um to show more of what i do yeah you know i talk about my art quite a bit and i talk about my ideas about a graphic novel and everything but for people to actually see what i'm doing it's uh well it's it's enjoyable for me and uh i think it gives people a better idea what of uh what i'm doing what i had in mind was um putting the uh the two of you together and uh on a poster like this yeah and uh i can 11 by 17 size uh print okay yeah i'll uh i'll send that to you boy that that'll be really cool i really appreciate that yeah it's my pleasure it's been a great deal of fun but i'm noticing is how much younger he looks than i do because he was about 20 years younger when he made the movie and right that's amazing isn't it we are uh done i believe uh just the same i hope people enjoy watching what i was doing here and i certainly enjoyed uh hearing what you had to say this has been great fun i hope we can talk again i'm sure i'm certain that we'll run into each other at some point i think it's unavoidable yes we're in the hands of fate now yes we are okay all right um i'm going to uh i'm going to stop the uh the video feed here in just a second those of you who are who are watching on the chat thank you for coming it was nice seeing you all here and i hope you enjoyed it i'm going to be turning off the uh video stream here in a second and uh brian and i will talk on uh on skype uh okay good night everybody good night well listeners that's it for this special video episode of talk to the hand at almost a full hour it is our longest here's a look at the completed drawing with some finishing work and some touch-ups on the color my thanks again to brian jennings this was a great fun be sure to look for the next episode of talk to the hand i'm not sure when that will be you can follow me for news at recastingmanos.com or at talktomanos.tumblr.com talk to the hand also has a page on facebook all guests have talked to the hand understand that the conversation has been reported that it will be edited for time and content and that it will be made available to the public through the internet with a creative commons license thank you see you next time


Ukrainian forces achieved an important success on the Burdiansk front. Ukraine's defence forces are making gains in southern and eastern Ukraine, advancing 1,300 metres on the Burdiansk front, 1,200 metres on the Krzysivka front, and 1,500 metres on the Khurdiyumivka front. Hanomalia, the Deputy Minister of Defence, reported this on Telegram. Our defence forces are continuing to mount an offensive on the Militopol, Burdiansk and Bakhmut fronts. They are clawing back every metre of our land from the enemy in tough battles. They are making gains. Meanwhile, enemy forces are continuing their attempts to advance on the linemen Avdivka and Marinka fronts but are unsuccessful. Enemy forces are amassing all their reserves, even a marine brigade that had earlier fled Kursyn. On the Burdiansk front, Ukraine's defence forces have advanced by some 1,300 metres, she said. Malia also reported that Ukrainian defence forces are also making gains on the Rivnepol, Volodyne axis, where they are currently consolidating their recently captured positions and inflicting significant losses on Russian forces. They are practically bleeding the enemy's offensive capabilities dry, destroying their equipment, storage depots and command centres and killing their personnel. On the Bakhmut front in eastern Ukraine, Ukraine's defence forces have regained the initiative. Russian forces are attempting to hold their positions and conduct counter-offensive operations but are suffering losses and slowly retreating. Ukrainian forces advanced by some 1,200 and 1,500 metres on the Klesivka and Khurdumivka fronts, respectively. Malia said that fighting on Bakhmut's flanks continues. Our forces are making gains. They are currently consolidating their positions on the liberated territories. The deputy defence minister also reported that the Bakhmut front is once again hot with intense fighting taking place across the front. Russia is deploying its reserves there and trying its best to maintain control of the city.


So when we talk about payment system innovation, it's about economic growth and resilience. ECB is very happy to partner once again with the National Competitiveness and Productivity Council this year for their week. The focus of their week is embracing competitiveness through research and innovation and I am particularly proud to be a employee of the central bank because you know when you have central banks you think of an institution that's far removed from what is happening on the ground and what is happening in country. But my central bank, our central bank is in the forefront of competitiveness and innovation. We were the first bank, we are the first bank in the Caribbean to come out with a full suite of polymer notes. We did that, we launched that earlier this year and I think that was just amazing. For a little bank, it countries the smallest in the Caribbean and we were able to come out with a full suite of polymer notes, new notes for our people in the ECCU and in addition to it being a full suite of notes, we are the only ones with a feature for the blind and visually impaired and if that's not innovative I don't know what is. And I think we stopped there, no, we went on. Everybody's talking about digital currency, Bitcoin, cryptocurrency and the likes and all the other currencies and we, through our governor, looked at it and said how can we use that to make the lives of our citizens better and he came up with the idea of a digital EC dollar. So you have the EC dollar that is backed, well backed and now you have it in another format which will open up so many avenues for the people of the ECU and Sybil is here today to tell us about this digital currency. Sybil has worked on, Sybil is part of the project team at ECCB that's making this happen and so I am very pleased that the governor was in full agreement to having Sybil come in person to do this presentation for us. The World Economic Forum opines that over the next decade 70% of all value created will be based on the digital economy and hence the ECCB's venture into a digital EC currency is to ensure that we in this eight member state are present in our future. It's about ensuring that we are transforming our economies in a manner that allows us not to be behind the curve but to be with and even ahead of the curve. So here we are today talking about DXCD, the Eastern Caribbean Central Bank's digital EC currency pilot project. The project has been captioned the name DXCD Carrivo. Taken into consideration both our digital trajectory as we move forward as well as our Caribbean essence. What is the digital EC currency, this DXCD? Many persons, the first thing you want to know about your money is security right? So it is a secure, it's very accessible, accessible whether you have a bank account or not. It's innovative, it's leveraging technology and it's providing what other alternative electronic payments cannot provide which is real-time settlement. The only other payment instrument that provides real-time settlement is cash. But we know cash is sometimes cumbersome, you have to have storage, you have to think about the security of it when you're moving around with it, it is costly to move around. And so what we have done is said what are the pain points for consumers, businesses, institutions and how can we address the pain points by making more efficient payment systems? And we say money makes the world go round. Well the speed at which money goes around helps to drive efficiencies into our institutions and into our economy. So if we can have a faster payment instrument that is secure then we are helping to transform our economies and to make them very much appropriate to drive the growth and all of the expectations and aspirations of our people. In 2017 when we launched our strategic plan, five strategic plan 2017 to 2021, Governor Antwine in his remark said imagine an Eastern Caribbean currency union where businesses are globally competitive. Both businesses and industries are globally competitive. Where young people are productively engaged and full of hope and our people are not just striving but they are thriving and it's that imagine that has brought us to this point of a digital easy currency. Now I want to start off to let you know what it is not. I told you what it is. Let's make sure you clearly distinguish between the EC's digital currency DXCD that is in development and what has been out for the last 10 plus years. Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies. There's a big difference. A cryptocurrency is a private issued currency. There is no guarantor. You get in and you are supposed to ensure you understand the risk. If something goes south there's nobody to call. So it is get in, understand what you're getting into and so there goes the difference between this digital EC currency DXCD in development and cryptocurrencies. This you have trust. The issue of where is the back where is the guarantee with your easy currency whether it's physical or digital you know who the guarantor is right. The guarantor is the issuer ECCB and what makes you confident in that guarantee is that we have foreign reserves. Those are investments made mainly in U.S. denominated securities that ensures that you can freely move between EC and U.S. currency. So that is why you don't have exchange rates restrictions. Okay. You don't have exchange not exchange rate but exchange restrictions. You can go to the financial institution and you can get your U.S. currency once you provide all of the know your customer source of income information if it's once it exceeds a certain amount. And so it's that issue of trust in the EC currency which gives confidence to our currency whether it's digital or physical in a cryptocurrency. No one has that liability or that guarantee. And that is a distinction. So when you're talking about digital currencies understand that a sovereign currency from a central bank is completely distinct from a private currency whether it's in digital form or not issued by a private entity. We're clear. We're good so far. So what are these features because if it's digital it means it's not physically tangible right. You can feel it. You can touch it. It is not like your paper your polymer. But what it does have is the characteristics that gives you that confidence in our currency. It is sovereign. It's legal tender. It has the same parity with the U.S. dollar. We say 2.7 of fixed exchange rate for your physical EC notes and coins in the same way your digital EC DX CD it's 2.7 and both of them are interchangeable with each other interoperable. So one digital currency equals one X CD physical EC coins and notes. It's we spoke about who is the backstop. Who is the guarantor. It's easy CB. But we are not our intention is not to get rid of cash. No we want to reduce cash to a point at which we have an optimal level of cash but it will continue to co-circulate with physical EC notes and coins with other payment instruments like your debit cards and your credit cards we're hoping however that we will reduce the use of checks and we will reduce the use of physical notes and coins. Our objective is to get cash down by 50 percent and to reduce significantly the use of checks. They're costly. The whole idea of reconciliation and chasing bad checks takes up resources that could be put to more productive use as opposed to transactional use. It will be distributed by our financial institutions our banks our credit unions and other approved service providers and because it's digital it's going to be transacted on a platform that you and I are accustomed to. That is your smart device be it your tablet your cell phone or other smart devices that we use to communicate with. When we look at the region the region's penetration of cell phones is almost two hundred percent. It's almost 200 percent. What we have to then change how we use the phone not just for talk but to use it for more productive means and here lies where we can leverage a digital EC currency to achieve that. It is not a savings instrument so once you take off X amount from your bank to move into a digital currency it no longer leverages interest. So you're only taking off that amount that you need for transaction purposes and that allows for planning and for the stability of the financial system and for your own wealth creation. So we don't want this to be a competition between bank deposits but what we want to allow is persons would save what they need to save and move to a transactional platform leveraging the DXCD to make their payments more efficiently more effectively in a frictionless environment and so when we talk about frictions we're talking about cost right. You and I know it costs a lot for a checkbook. It costs a lot to merchants to have a card infrastructure. Some persons may have to pay three and a half percent or more if you're in a business where your margins are slim that three and a half can eat into your bottom line and make it really a disincentive for you to allow those card payments because remember you also have to pay for the machinery as well. So we have to pay Visa, Mastercard, AmEx all of these persons that's money going through the window which is not being used for productive means. So we have to change how we see productivity that we need to maximize how our money gets back to us and that's part of building growth competitiveness and resilience into our financial infrastructure and architecture. It's a peer-to-peer architecture, peer-to-peer you to me which means as we speak about bringing the region closer together regional integration we say we have a single financial and economic space and the sea that divides us should not be an impediment for us to move as if we are one solid productive block. If we are sending money to another person in another country regardless if it's the same financial institution or not there should be no reason why if I'm to send $200 to send Lucia I'm going to pay 50 something dollars to send it right away that creates barriers to integration and those barriers really impede our growth and development because it impedes what can be as our governor says and what should be. It impedes the possibility of new business formation of new business creation of business expansion of payment efficiency so that when I as a small business gets paid it should not take me three or four days to get funds into my resources because then what I have to do then is maybe take an overdraft until those funds come so my cost of operating actually erodes my potential to survive in that industry and so when I go belly up then all the creditors now end up with a non-performing loan you see it's an ecosystem a vicious cycle if we don't make it more efficient and more workable for us in our mission we said advancing the good of the people of the eastern caribbean currency union by ensuring stability at both at the monetary level and the financial level but also advancing development and growth and for development and growth to happen there has to be a transformation it can't be business as usual because for growth to happen you must advance there must be something that changes and more than just change around the edges for growth to happen you must have transformation so why a digital e-c currency matters it matters for everyone whether it's the eccb whether it's the financial institutions whether it's businesses or whether it's consumers it matters because what you have in a digital currency is information economic intelligence business intelligence and if eccb has better intelligence in real time its policies can then be more prescriptive because it has real time information so it knows how money is moving in real time to various sectors it can analyze and really assess what's going on in the economy in real time you know sometimes you see us put out statistics because we have to liaise with the the the statisticians on the ground in the offices of the government ministries you will see a lot of times we have estimates because the data is not available now the whole idea of data management and data analytics is that you get information that allows you to make informed decisions and that goes for all of us you know you have your your your financial information in your head you go to the bank you say i need this i can afford this and it asks you for financial statements and you know you don't have financial statements but if you can pull the information from your digital transactions you can then show the bank cash coming in and some cash going out and that allows you also for your own planning you don't have to say i had x amount of money i wonder what i spend it on and the small business operator won't have to be looking around the shoulder every time someone gives them money for goods and services and they pull out a big wad of money and they feel uncomfortable wondering can i potentially be a target because i've exposed all my business and think about the young people who want to go into business but can't afford an online payment infrastructure that they can leverage this and they can offer businesses and services not just in their own country but outside of their country leveraging the buying potential of the region imagine the amount of consultancy services i can stay from my home and advise persons i can counsel i might be a fitness expert that i can counsel you i mean might be someone in health expert i can counsel you and get paid and as one pastor said to me well now i can have my online ministry and everybody just send me their tides because one dollar fills up basket right he says i get from my us listeners paypal it takes another month to come but i get it but my all nationals all they do is send a text and say love the sermon pastor but nothing comes okay and so we have to expand our thinking of what is possible and as our governor says what could be and what should be so new payment channels new business models reduction in cost um if i could just pull this up for businesses operational inefficiencies how much time we spend if you are big business trying to tally for your sales clerks and you're out twenty dollars you're out a hundred dollars and you spend all night chasing this outage and then you pay three hundred dollars in overtime to find one hundred dollars how much time businesses have to be dealing with paper records and the storage of these records when if we had some other alternative which is secure which gives us the efficiencies that this will facilitate that and in doing business invariably when you're dealing with cash money goes through the door it walks away it has legs whether because of mistakes or because someone wants to increase their pay in an unauthorized manner with a digital architecture this can't happen and while someone might say well we have infrastructure right now the cost is prohibited so being able to access something has a lot to do it can i afford it in order to say it's accessible in doing this architecture governance for any sovereign currency governance is critical one wants to make sure that the profile of the e-c currency that we have trusted since 1965 remains intact and so governance issues covering regulatory compliance ability to monitor the process integrity the legality the data analysis all of these are embedded in the architecture of the e-c currency the digital e-c currency dxcd so users will be able to leverage all of the features of security legal tender confidentiality which speaks to having privacy and trust payment efficiency innovation and governance and also it's important to talk about the user experience you and i want to use technology that is easy to use seamless to use that when we're using it we don't have to think about it just like how you log on to your amazon app and you shop till you drop which you shouldn't but sometimes we do because what amazon does it uses that data analytics you ever realize every time you go it has a new suggestion based on your patterns even if you just say a word it looks like the phone is listening to you it is it gives you recommendations to a conversation you may have had that's the business intelligence imagine if businesses can leverage that data analytics instead of sending a generic ad to everybody the day i got office furniture from a business i don't need office furniture but the things i need based on my shopping patterns they're not able to tell me those but a digital currency can provide that information in a cost effective manner so what does this framework look like who are the components of the ecosystem well eccb is at the top most the certificate authority it's a sovereign currency we are the only authorized institution to issue ec the same as the only authorized to issue digital currency which is a dxcd so we as a central bank will authorize other participants financial institutions and other institutions approved to facilitate the circulation of the currency at the first level and then these institution financial institutions and and agencies will then authorize or onboard consumers and merchants and so what you have is a sort of tree sort of architecture that branches out allowing to ensure governance security and convenience every time we talk about the digital economy one has to talk about cyber security that is important because you want to make sure that the architecture is trusted now unlike bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies when you hear about blockchain technology all blockchain is not the same you can have one that is permission private or you can have one that is public bitcoin is a public and so everyone goes on everyone can facilitate mining which produces more bitcoins and everyone can have a view of the ledger to get a sense of who are the persons on there there's no privacy there you may not know the exact name of the person who is at that address but you can see what's going on but you don't want that for a sovereign currency where confidentiality trust and security and privacy are paramount in the minds of users and so this architecture is private and permission permission meaning you only can be part of this ecosystem if you are granted access and the access to one person is not the same access to another person you get the credentials for the level of access you are granted so of course as a consumer I would have a different level of access to a financial institution to a merchant to other ecosystem players and that allows for that confidentiality and that security and that's important so you recognize that you have secured credentials management and you have encryption of all information end-to-end from the source to the destination and at rest and only those everybody understand encryption right you encrypt something it means remember when we were small we would be telling stories and we make up a language and only those who are in the group would understand that language that's encryption so we say I don't know what that means but somebody in that group sometimes you would use the first two letters of the word and the last two letters and you create something we used to call it pig latin or something you all didn't have any or you creole okay but no creole is not a creole is not an encrypted language because it's a language that is understood by many okay and I don't speak creole but because of the French I can understand if I break it down slowly so that's the issue of encryption it means that even if someone gets access they can't understand the information you see enough of those spy movies right with Tom Cruise okay but that's the importance of that that is to ensure privacy and security the issue of you have to be authorized the issue of authentication and the issue of making sure you have multi-factor authentication meaning it's not just one thing that someone is going to ask you the system is going to ask you to verify you are who you are you have multiple several things that you have to do to prove that you are who you say you are before you are granted access and that is important for that we spoke about the issue of authorized permissioned entities and employees and just to give you a little idea about how this blockchain works why is it called block and chain well and I must invite you to to visit our website where we have our first newsletter dxcd times where we speak about what blockchain is about and some features of the digital ec currency that you can share with your colleagues and family members but imagine when you think about a ledger a ledger is just an accounting framework where you keep information so what this distributed ledger or blockchain does is just to make it electronic but the benefit is that you have by being distributed even if one copy of the ledger is compromised you don't lose the information if one copy of the ledger goes down for example if something happens you don't lose the data because you have other copies and all copies reflect the same truth but why is it called blockchain because the information the data is aggregated into a block and each subsequent grouping of data is linked to the one that went before it previously creating a chain and this gives the strength because you it makes it tamper tamper proof because to tamper with one you have to tamper with all which is impossible so because each one references the one that went before it and so that is what gives the idea of resilience and security in this architecture now how do you and I come into this you're going to have an app that you download whether from the android or the ios the apple store so it's both compatible whatever platform you're on you're going to download the app and you're going to link to a service provider be it a bank a credit union or some other authorized provider and i'm going to give you a poster to look at in a little while for you to tell us if the poster speaks to what you're looking for and how we can enhance it now you download this you select your service provider you will go through your kyc know your customer and it's important remember we said there's no illicit business on this network you have to be able to identify who you are it's not that anybody's going to be watching what you're doing but to get on to so one time a one time screening you give information just like how you do when you're opening a bank account you give information detailing who you are that gives you access and you can onboard electronically so you don't have to physically get to any institution from the from your privacy of your home you can just stay there and upload information that is required using your business id your national id some approved id take a picture of yourself so that the two can be verified using biometrics and once the information is validated by the institution you go ahead you'll get access you can then buy your mobile um banking or physical but it might be easy if you do it mobile you then decide i want to take a hundred dollars from my credit union account for my banking account and i convert it to um digital currency you can also have the ability to go physically to a service provider and provide them with cash and you get digital ec currency dxcd which is why we say you don't have to have a an account with a bank or a credit union you there are ways to meet the needs of various participating persons who are part of the ecosystem for the pilot and then you go to a merchant who is part of this pilot project and you just use your dxcd app to scan to pay once you scan you pay and within seconds you get a transaction confirmation and settlement happens instantaneously so it's not that you have to wait three days the merchant doesn't have to wait three days the same when you have to transfer you're putting the person's um address and you're putting the amount you want to transfer and the money is transferred you see a confirmation in your wallet application if your balance was 500 and you'd spent a hundred your new balance would reflect 400 and the person's balance will reflect the increase of the hundred with whom you did the transaction with now we have two models we have two models there's the value base wallet and there's the registered base wallet the value base wallet says i don't want to leverage the custody the custodian services of any service provider to secure my credentials that is my credentials to authorize payments i want these credentials to be securely stored with my smart device and i'm responsible for ensuring the protection of that device what is clear for that so you don't have to leverage the services of any institution for custody the second is the registered and the second says and businesses would want this i don't want my security credentials to just be resident on my smart device i want those credentials to be able to be stored by some service provider and when i i want to accept or make a payment some interface some application program interface would facilitate the messaging between my smart device and the service provider who has custody of my security credentials and this happens seamlessly within a matter of two seconds so there's no pause in that payment but you're behind the scenes it is happening and so you have two models because we know it's not a one size fit all there are various needs by various entities be they consumers or enterprises that will allow for the customization of this architecture what are we speaking about in all of these things we had the industrial revolution so now we're at the fourth revolution now the digital economy revolution and as i said at the eastern cabernet central bank we are pursuing this because we want to be present in our future we want the region to be present in what's going on in the digital economy that's taking place we don't want to be left behind so we're pursuing sustained ecu transformation that improves lives this goes back to our mission advancing the good of the people of the region through monetary and financial stability as well as driving economic growth and development so when we talk about payment system innovation it's about economic growth and resilience the more that we can make our economy resilient it's the more that we can ensure that we can sustain shocks of hurricanes world economic changes the more we can ensure the livelihood of our people it's about financial inclusion the more we can bring the informal sector into the formal sector it will be to their best interest to give them the security and the innovation that will help to increase their business potential it's about the competitiveness of the region at the central bank we have established that we want to be in the top 50 in the ranking of ease of doing business think St Lucia is around 93 from 2019 so you're far still from 50 but you are the closest there because at the the other spectrum we have Senkets at 140 Grenada 147 somewhere around there so but 93 is not where our target is it's at 50 and part of the ease of doing business is what is the architecture for persons to transact in businesses to get access to credit to open a business and it's a digital economy that will allow for this transformation and so the digital e-c currency the dxcd is part of this entire framework and vision of a ecu digital economy in his book flawless execution the author says if you're going after a particular goal everyone must understand what success looks like so for us everyone residents citizens businesses governments all sectors must know what is the success benchmarks where do we see the regions payment architecture five years after mass deployment of dxcd we see cash being reduced by 50 that is the goal not away from cash but allowing cash to be reduced by 50 which is optimal right now cash takes up about 80 to 90 percent of all transactions and about 44 percent of all value that is a lot of transactions in terms of inefficiencies in terms of cost that is weighing down the productivity potential of the region we need to reduce it by 50 checks business said to me if you can get rid of checks you would solve all my problems at least 99 problems just leave in one it is costly for reconciliation it is costly for all of the things you have to do with checks not to mention it goes against a green economy so if we can reduce checks by 80 percent we're there credit cards will continue this is not a credit instrument it's a payment instrument you can't overdrive cash in the same way this is cash just in digital form so it will not impact the prospects of credit cards for debit cards it will still they will still continue to increase because your debit card can be used outside of the region and easy currency is only legal tender within the region so you only can use your cash within the region whether it's digital or physical the same applies electronic payments electronic funds transfers we're hoping that institutions and governments instead of writing checks because we want to reduce it by 80 percent we'll use the electronic funds transfers in many modern economies checks do not exist and then the green the light the new growth the green shoots our dxcd eccb's your digital ec currency will take now all of the reduction usage from cash and checks will then be used in digital currency that is the vision do you get the picture do i hear the picture over here that's what we're looking for that's the vision a more efficient payment system that can drive eccb's growth competitiveness resilience and financial inclusion as i close just want to to get when we spoke about this how you do the process really in four simple steps you download the digital wallet application from whether it's the apple store or the android store you select a participating financial institution or service provider to gain access to the network that means you have to go through your know your customer and then you just request cash either from converting some of your deposits to digital currency you're going to get a poster to comment on or you can use physical cash ec notes to to make that cash in cash out you make your payment once you scan the payment is made instant payment settlement and then almost instant confirmation of your transaction it's really about secure simple accessible innovative payment instrument so merchants will be able to use the app to do your point of sale you would be able to have only small requirements a tablet a smartphone can work you can create your digital qr code which is just a code that you scan or you can actually have it paper based where you just take it to the wall of your truck if you're or your store and the person just scans it with their app on their phone and so it allows you to either be fully electronic or not in terms of what hardware that you want to leverage with this and it has a telefeature where for those merchants who are part of the pilot arrangement and based on what eccb's policy is it could allow merchants to also provide cash in and cash out facilities this is on the discussion of how we would pursue this within the issue of security and confidence in the currency um i just want to let you know where we are at we're now several months into the project 12 months is for development and six months is for actual live testing of the digital currency where customers will on board they will convert their deposits to digital currency that portion they want to spend during the pilot or they will cash in physical ec notes and coins for that and then they will then spend of course during the six months all who sign up to be the pilot and are given access will have incentives like any promotion any pilot we want to make sure everyone is involved everyone has the ability to access this to spend it and to benefit from that experience because while you're benefiting from that experience we are learning your patterns your behaviors what you like what you don't like and so of course we're going to incentivize can't tell you what that would look like but i promise to you that you will enjoy the incentives that i can guarantee so as we conclude what do we want you to leave with that the vision is for the digital ec currency to be part of a new digital economy for the region to move the region into a modern economy many times we think the Caribbean has to be last forget that we are smart enough we are innovative enough to lead our own trajectory towards competitiveness growth and inclusion holders of this digital ec currency dxcd will enjoy the same benefits that they have when they're holding physical ec notes and coins they can use it with vendors on the street they can use it with brick and mortar stores they can use it online and as securities paramount in our architecture design we want to let you know that the security is based on best practices built in to the architecture so we're at this juncture where we recognize that our growth needs to be at a minimum of five percent and none of our regions economists have reached five percent and five percent is just the minimum but we also recognize we are at a watershed moment where we need a transformation to get us to that and beyond that five percent growth we recognize we need our government the debt to gdp should be 60 percent minimum 60 percent that should be the maximum of your debt to gdp not minimum maximum your debt to gdp maximum should be 60 percent it's now around 68 percent on average across the region only one country sank its and nevis reached that 60 percent to date on the regional level it's around 68 percent which is good because a few years before i think around 2014 it was about 78.2 percent it's now about 68.1 give or take a little basis points and so we are moving in the right direction but we recognize that it just takes a hurricane or something else if we are not having a new economic paradigm for us to slip again because guess what we are in all cyclical industries what does that mean it means cyclical industries require persons to have surplus income so given that we are open economies and we trade and we depend on persons having a lot of surplus income to drive our tourism and manufacturing exports and other businesses that now we can then leverage those into jobs through construction real estate services if we do not have a new paradigm to drive that resilience it means as the economies keep going up and down so will ours but with technology you can create what you call a defensive economy so you mix both your cyclical service and industries and your defensive industries and a lot of those are in technology and so we're looking for this transformation to drive our regions resilience and competitiveness it needs transformation we're on board are you