Coming up on DTNS Amazon announces new smart everything Oculus tries to wow VR fans with its announcements and match.com gets sued by the government This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday September 25th 2019 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane in Salt Lake City in a VR environment. I'm Scott Johnson and I'm the show's producer Roger Chang We were just talking about cheesy grits And a lot of other food related items on good day Internet There's always good talking going on on good day Internet You get that wider pre-show of us getting ready for Daily Tech news show by becoming a member at patreon.com DTNS let's start with a few tech things you should know Eba announced that CEO and president and company director Devon Wenig is stepping down with former chief financial Officer Scott Schenkel taking control on an interim basis Wenig has served as president since 2011 and replaced John Donahoe as CEO in 2015 Check this out Apple released TV OS 13 this added multi-user support a refreshed home screen with full-screen video previews a control center a new picture-in-picture option and It also supports a new little thing that I'm super in love with called Apple Arcade Which also includes support for Sony's DualShock 4 controllers and Microsoft's Xbox controller The wireless Bluetooth controller that they have in the current Xbox one and I can confirm both as controllers work as does the Apple TV Swimmingly the US Securities and Exchange Commission has charged comm score and its former CEO Serge Mata of fraud Com scores one of the main companies responsible for measuring internet traffic and is accused of misreporting the value of data swapping contracts As well as misreporting customer signups to give the impression of growth In revenue and signups when both were decreasing Mata and comm score agreed to settle the case by paying a combined total of 5.7 million Without having to admit wrongdoing Mata will also repay $2.1 million to comm score and is now banned from serving as an officer or director of a public company for 10 years model left comm score back in 2016 Tf securities analyst Ming-Chi Quo says that next year's iPhones, you know if you Want to think about the iPhone 12 at this point? We'll have a metal frame with a more complex segmentation design new trenching and injection molding procedures And sapphire or glass cover assembly to protect the trench injection molding structure Quo also says the design will be similar to the iPhone 4 If you can remember that Quo believes that the design will be more expensive to make but along with 5g will increase iPhone shipments to 85 million in 2020 from the expected 75 million in 2019 Google will now only show news headlines from european publishers in search results for french users Rather than headlines with a few lines of description Called a snippet often a new eu rule that one of those copyright directives requires search engines to pay news outlets in order to show snippets and thumbnail images unless the publisher comes to another arrangement with the search engine And france is the first of the eu countries to implement the new copyright directive eu countries have a year to do so They just got it done quick. All right. Let's talk about the us federal trade commission scott All right, let's do that the us federal trade commission as you mentioned file the lawsuit against match dot com You know dating Alleging match sent notifications to non paying subscribers for messages from accounts that match new were fraudulent Fake accounts the fdc alleged match received 499,691 new subscriptions as a result of the fraudulent communications between june 2016 and may of June 2016 rather and may 2018 the fdc further claims messages from fraudulent accounts Were not sent to paying subscribers the suit also alleges match made Canceling subscriptions very difficult Did not seem to honor a six month guarantee and locked people from accounts over disputed charges Match.com disputes the claims and they intend to fight the allegations Oh, I bet they do that that that match isn't is not accused of creating the accounts It's saying They knew the accounts were created by somebody as a bot or a fraudulent scam And it didn't stop them from creating the notifications for the free answers And let let's remember that this is not sort of like your average social network. This is a dating site, right? So if I a person who's like, well, I don't want to pay for anything, but Somehow, you know match.com is now sending me emails being like, oh people are very interested in you You should you know, you know get into that like that whole thing is I think It is it is sort of a like fishing scheme that is It's tough for people to Opt out of Based on the nature of what this is, right? Right, right I would be it would be easy for me to believe that this is not some conspiracy That match realized that these accounts were sending notifications and prioritized its engineering to fix the ones to the paying subscribers first Before making sure that the free subscribers knowing that like, well, you know that might encourage people to shine up So we'll get around to fixing it It's interesting to see how that comes as somebody who I mean, this is I won't give full disclosure I won't tell you who it was but they're defunct now. So it doesn't really matter but I worked for a dating site company in 2004 and 05 and We did this all the time. I shouldn't say we did but people at the top did this all the time We would see a bunch of new accounts come in We would know that they looked fishy or outright knew they were fake or they were, you know, someone trolling or whatever But we kept them in because it helped Then say with some accuracy, we have this many users or every month we obtain this many new users It was a really common practice and I would be shocked. I mean, I'm not going to say That's what match is doing But it wouldn't surprise me if like the whole of that industry doesn't dabble in that a lot more than we think Yep agreed Google released an open source database of 3000 manipulated videos to be used to help research in detecting deep fakes Google recorded 28 actors speaking making common expressions and doing mundane tasks Then used publicly available deep fake algorithms to alter those videos A dataset of manipulations of youtube videos was released in january by technical university of munich researchers And facebook plans to release its own dataset by the end of the year No, this is great. This is good news We're happy to see facebook announced this earlier And of course the technical university of munich research are doing this so Getting more of these datasets out there for people to work on it's not going to solve The problem with deep fakes, but it's certainly going to help which is good Yeah, it's certainly going to help especially with in the development community Oh, yeah for sure. But I my big takeaway from this is It behooves google and everybody else with a with a big stake in this game of, you know Tons of users and huge services and whatever To get out ahead of it and so the show that they're doing work without being forced to or told to or regulated to Because if you don't that stuff's going to come. So For me, this is huge positivity and I hope others do it as well You see, you know, some of this stuff apple does with security some of this stuff You know facebook tries to do with with other other things and I think that's good Like get out in front of it before someone has to tell you that you're doing it or at the worst case You just have a really big pr problem where everyone thinks you don't care and this is google saying well We kind of care Folks to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes. Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com Let's take a deep breath And into the oculus six conference news. All right, we're going to break this up a little bit I'm going to start with the first announcements Regarding a hardware at the oculus six conference then we're going to have a couple more Oculus six things and then on in the amazon announcements Facebook CEO mark zuckerberg announced a software update called oculus link that will let oculus quest users connect their headset to a pc Using a usb c cable should work with most usb c cables and let the quest play the more graphically intensive oculus rift games Off the pc like if you had an oculus rift oculus link arrives in november the oculus quest will also implement some deep learning and model Based tracking to use its existing cameras for hand tracking through a software update expected to arrive early next year That feature will be an experimental opt-in choice for users So won't just show up you'll have to say i want this and of course oculus showed off a couple prototype headsets Half dome two is a little lighter than the previous half dome prototype Also has a smaller field of view at 140 degrees But like the first half dome lenses move inside the headset to adjust the focus and give you a little more immersion And half dome three doesn't even have moving parts using a number of stacked lenses to shift through 64 planes of focus Can i just say real quick this link thing is My favorite headline of the day and i just think it's amazing that they're going to let people do that and i'm also happy to hear that Somebody's finally admitting that usb c can do a whole lot more than they sometimes are letting them And if you're like me and you bought this thing for portability But you do kind of miss the fidelity you get from a top npc tethered to a headset This is there's it's a biggest no brainer ever heard of to buy this thing like i i just think that that's great It's also a sign that the quest probably sold pretty well for them Uh because you know making this more accessible across other Platforms is a big deal. I just cannot wait for that update or that they're getting rid of the rift And this is what they're counting on in the future Entirely possible, but if that's the case and we're not going to lose much in the transition in terms of fidelity Oh man. I mean that's a big deal. I think this is one maybe my favorite news of the last month And you're going to get hand control. Yeah, that part that part i'm a little more skeptical about but not because it's obviously That's where we're heading and and all things are possible with time, but um I guess i'm a little surprised that if it's just algorithm tweaking a new version of the software Machine learning all coming together to figure out a way to make us see your hands are tracked in 3d space That sounds really cool. But I don't know in practice I feel like we're going to have some herky jerky for a while and I just need to be shown different Hopefully that works well Of course oculus owned by facebook, so we had a couple social announcements facebook announced it'll launch a vr environment called facebook horizon in 2020 Facebook horizon will let you create your own avatars chat with friends play games with friends Move around with teleporting between various rooms Facebook spaces and oculus rooms are going to shut down october 25th So if you're like wait, you can kind of do that already Well after october 25th you won't and you won't be able to do it at all until facebook horizon launches sometime next year And a new facebook powered social feature will come to oculus later this year Chats will let you message oculus friends from your headset or outside of it event planning For gathering together in vr was also announced and you'll be able to post to facebook from oculus Probably meant for things like clips of your gameplay and stuff like that Well, it doesn't surprise me that facebook spaces oculus rooms shutting down to be relaunched as facebook horizon next year Whether or not it's going to be the you know the same environment is yet to be seen But that makes sense that facebook is like, okay, we're taking this seriously and you know, we We want people to you know to get excited about it My big takeaway from that is Having used what's currently there Um, I always felt like facebook was holding back a little bit and being too upfront in the service or being too upfront in the platform I think they thought there was some wisdom in hanging back and sort of being like amazon is with twitch Don't fiddle with it too much. Let let rift and oculus Brand up and be strong on its own Don't facebook ourselves in there too much and I think this actually spells A change in that thinking that that now we're far enough along that they can come in here and create the social space And tie it directly to facebook and have that Branding and stuff all sort of be together because they're just not afraid to do that now But I think there was some hesitance in in recent years to Well, and I front of people I think they also realized that nobody was really using facebook spaces or oculus rooms At least at the level of engagement that they wanted and so it might as well just like you say sarah Just shut it down and replace it next year Now it is a little weird to not leave it running until you replace it But that just tells me there wasn't enough people using it to matter So why not just shut it down save the save the resources only ever saw one other human being in there by the way Yeah, so there you go And a few more announcements from oculus six facebook announced it's building augmented reality glasses Along with having the facebook reality labs developed something called live maps So they didn't talk much about the glasses, but they talked a lot about live maps The idea is to recreate the planet in a 3d map So that you won't have to scan your surroundings to overlay things. You'll already know what the surroundings are It's a big big project live maps is being built using machine learning as well as Supplemented by geotagged images from the facebook user base So they know what the world looks like in various places that technology is a few years away What's not a few years away is fandango now launching on the oculus go and oculus quest headsets To become the place to buy or rent movies and tv shows or access your previous purchases Fandango now is part of movies anywhere. So if you buy something on google that's part of movies anywhere It would show up in fandango now and show up on your headset fandango now will feature in the oculus tv app It didn't say they're getting rid of the native Facebook movies Thing if you've bought any of those they should still be there But it does sound like they're moving fandango now into that space to become front and center Disclosure my wife works for fandango and finally respawn entertainment revealed metal of honor above and beyond a virtual reality take On the classic world war two franchise coming next year Can I just a tiny note on that respawn entertainment? respawn is the company that was infinity ward that made the call of duty series Call of duty in effect put metal of honor in the grave And then for like 10 years those guys did that and then there was a falling out at activision And they left and started to respawn entertainment and lately they're known for the new upcoming star wars game And the current um, I forgot the name of it, but their battle royale game is very popular at the moment. I can't think of the name they They them taking over metal of honor is the most ironic thing I've heard In a really long time and that is even to speak to whether to be good in vr Not I don't know there's lots of shooters in vr and they range from terrible to I kind of okay Nobody's really cracked that egg So maybe they'll do it. That's a big team and they're really amazing But the fact that they're on metal of honor a game they basically killed With call of duty all those years ago is kind of a hoot and that's all I wanted to say about that bit Also, you know the fact that facebook was like, well, we don't really want to talk about our you know our vr glasses But we're definitely going to recreate the world in 3d The the latter part of that i'm like that's amazing. I love that But why don't you want to detail the fact the fact that your vr glasses are you know in the works Because that that is a huge selling point that you know, many companies have have have have fallen short No, super smart super smart. Don't put something up there that you're not ready to show just say look We're working on augmented reality glasses. That's all they did they put the words up on the screen So we don't have anything to show you but let me show you what it's going to be able to do But if you put the glasses up means that if you put the glasses up too early Then people are just going oh, it's got this flaw that flaw. It looks bad Whereas instead you focus on this is what it'll be able to do which is impressive Perhaps perhaps, but I feel like it's like if it looks Crappier than snaps latest spectacles then that's why they're not talking about what it looks like Well, they're not ready to put it out for a couple of years So they probably don't even know what it's going to look at like yet Why show you something where it's not even finalized?  Don't have any information about that? Well, because they're not because it's not a product yet. That's what that's all that means Yeah, it feels like they were just like hey That's not all we're working on some other cool stuff not ready to show it That it feels very like it's almost like an e3 presentation from a Console company is not ready to show their new controller yet or whatever. Yeah, I think that stuff comes out in time. It'll be fine All right, let's talk about amazon We're going to start with the echoes the echo dot with clock Brian, it'll be very happy mentioned about the clock on the morning stream this morning Has an led display embedded in the usual fabric cover the display can show you the time Your timers your outside temperature stuff like that also lets you tap the top button for snooze It does not have a camera pre-orders are available now for 60 dollars. No word on shipping the third generation echo Just the good old fashion amazon echo third gen has better sound neodymium drivers three inch woofer Comes with a twilight blue color option now pre-orders have begun for a hundred dollars and the echo studio That's the one with the 3d audio support in dolby atmos It can use the microphones to calibrate audio for the room So it takes in an into account the echoing and the bouncing off the walls Has three mid-range speakers a tweeter and a woofer can support stereo pairing with another echo speaker And his position to work with amazon music hd As well as amazon saying it's working with studios to get more tracks that support 3d audio as well The echo studio available for pre-order at 199 dollars And then the echo show eight a mid-sized echo show with an eight inch hd display in a privacy shutter All the echo shows are getting drop in on all that's a group chat with anybody else in your family has an echo Kids bundle called free time is coming to echo show devices The echo show eight is available for pre-orders at 130 dollars and this time they said it will ship in time for the holidays so they give you a rough idea there and Kind of involved with all these echoes amazon will be selling subscriptions to food network kitchen launching in october It's a service available on your phone your tablet your fire tv or your echo show to offer recipe saving and cooking directions along with live and on-demand cooking classes kind of like a peloton for cooking With the likes of bobby flay and alton brown teaching classes service will cost you seven dollars a month or 60 dollars a year man How smart is that of amazon to be like? Hey, we're launching a cooking show and we're going to talk about lots of devices that you should probably buy for your own kitchen Hungry after your subscription peloton workout make some food with your subscription I mean it is genius chef's kiss Thought this one up, but also the echo show has shown to be the perfect I think for a lot of people the perfect kitchen device, right? So they're they're fulfilling A potential need there that everybody bought their echo shows for or that they're going to buy the new ones for And take advantage finally of that screen because honestly, I don't hardly use it But my wife does constantly for like recipe stuff. She's going to totally do this Like this is it's a brilliant way to tie a service into a thing people already have or maybe upgrading to one of these better ones It's a smart smart thing All right, let's talk about the amazon voice services announcements Multilingual mode which lets people speak one of two languages at this point It'll support more in the future But right now one of two languages without having to switch a setting So in the united states you can have english and spanish on at the same time whatever you speak to it It'll recognize that and answer back in canada english and french in india english and hindi There's also a neural text to speech model that lets the voice be more emotive and expressive Without having to rely on recorded phrases Which is the way these voice assistants have usually worked up till now recording phonemes and mixing them together It's gonna launch with a free samuel l jackson voice Which apparently he didn't record. They just used his recordings to create it That also has an explicit mode if you want it and additional celebrity voices are coming next year that you have to pay for 99 cents each The ability to ask the echo tell me what you just heard is now live So if it answers weird, you can say wait a minute later this year You'll be able to ask why did you do that? And amazon has added an auto delete feature to its privacy hubs You can erase your video recordings after three or 18 months automatically and i'll exit communications for kids We'll let parents whitelist context that their kids are allowed to talk to on echo devices Couple more here amazon voice services come into chevy buick gmc and catalog vehicles in the first half of next year Through a software update. So if you have a model 2018 or newer car, but you don't have to take it in You'll just get a software update and get amazon and next year ring doorbell elite Users will get a feature to let amazon voice assistant answer the doorbell and talk to the people at the door for you So that will be fun to see the videos on youtube once that's done. Wow, this is getting uh pretty deep Scott are you a ring doorbell person? No Um, I have a camera out there, but it's separate and it's tied into some other stuff So I kind of am accomplishing a similar goal with what i'm doing, but I never did buy into the ring thing That never really convinced me Are you do you have one of those going? No, no, I have one. I I don't tom does. Yeah, I mean, okay, so tom. I mean This You know the let me just let me just stop you right there. No. I'm definitely not going All right, I have my ring on lockdown. It doesn't it's not allowed to do anything All it's meant to do is tell me when someone's at the door and let me see who it is So I can decide whether I want to open the door or not. I don't need amazon voice services to answer for it It's not going to be good enough at this point. This is a gimmick. I think Oh, it's a huge gimmick and I think it's I actually think this is going to go no place. I don't think anyone cares about this I like it sounds neat on paper. Yeah, it's really just them saying Hey more ways to talk to your google assistant and this here's a way that you probably don't need to Zero interest in this this is let me ask you Will you be adding Samuel l jackson as the voice of your amazon? I probably I probably won't although, you know, I respect him wonderful man What I do think that people will take advantage of is multilingual mode um, I I I happen to live upstairs from a family who is, you know, anguish in spanish You know, it's it is it is a very um, this is something that you know, based on grandparents Children parents and and people who are you know going in and out of A situation where the speaker might be, you know, something that you could get an answer from That is actually a really big deal Yeah, and I think that that'll make that'll make a big difference to a lot of families I'm noticing. Oh krego says he loves google call screen I'm not imagining that the ring doorbell working with amazon voice services is going to work as well as google call screen If it does it might change my mind. I'm imagining it works the way amazon works now In which case it's just going to be a hilarious parade of misunderstandings between the person at the door Because they're not going to quite realize they're talking to an echo even if they know what one is All right, finally more hardware So we're gonna we're gonna go through a bunch of hardware announcements from amazon the ring indoor cam pre-orders now for 60 dollars The stick up cam for ring for outdoor which can run off battery wall power or through a solar power add-on You can pre-order that now for 100 bucks. So that's cheaper than the previous version Ring security cameras are going to get a home mode in november So it'll just stop recording when you're around. That's nice and the ring alarm retrofit kit Kind of a diy thing to integrate into your home's existing security system hub With a ring alarm setup that's coming in november for 200 bucks or you can get it bundled with an alarm hub for 376 dollars Don't forget amazon owns a euro. We got new euro mesh routers much cheaper 99 dollars each or three for 249 dollars available in the u.s. Today in europe later this year They didn't clarify if their wi-fi six. So i'm thinking they're not But you can now use voice to turn guest wi-fi on and off or use your voice to pause wi-fi access For a specific device like, you know pause scots amazon fire tablet and it'll cut it off Those voice controls are not limited to euro. They're coming from tp link acis linksus and eras as well The echo flex is a tiny little voice assistant that just plugs right into your wall outlet It has a usb port for device charging includes a slot to plug an additional nightlight or motion sensor That's 15 bucks each if you're like i just want to be able to tell The echo something but i don't want to have a full speaker somewhere. This is for you An api will let developers build other accessories for it too. That's available for pre-order at $25 The echo glow is a lamp That doesn't have voice assistant in it, but it pairs with your echo like a smart device It can do a sleep timer to gradually dim play music and flash lights in a dance party mode It can cycle through rainbow colors pre-order in the us costs 30 bucks And the amazon smart oven remember last year was a microwave this year. It's not just a microwave It's a smart oven. It can do convection cooking air frying Food drying typical microwave functions as well You can use the amazon app or an echo show to scan food labels from whole food products for automatic cooking programming Pre-orders today for $250 with a free echo dot thrown in for some reason and finally echo buds Wireless earbuds with amazon voice services and bows noise reduction You just say the wake word and she'll wake right up Or you can tap and hold and use your device's native smart assistant Whether that's google assistant or siri or something else pre-order the echo buds now for 130 bucks Oh, man, there's so much there I think the flex the flex is my favorite of these announcements because I do a lot of things that don't even require Her to give me an audible answer. Like it's just a beep to let me know i'm good To turn off some lights to turn on some lights to shut down a certain part of the What I have in the house connected all this stuff. So I think it's great. I would say my overall Take away again here is that google assistant Is something they're trying to put in everything you mean amazon voice service. Sorry, man Amazon voice services. I keep doing that. That's that's a problem by the way But that might be a me problem But anyway, they want to have it in everything and they want third party vendors doing it They want to put it all throughout their own products This is the right strategy because you need to if you really want to win that voice assistant war thing that May come down to it in the future You got to be the one that put it in the most stuff and it feels like amazon's ahead of the game in that regard I gotta say the smart oven. I kind of want it Yeah, because it can do more than just microwave, right? I'm not sure how often you're going to use the scanner Even if you do shop at Whole Foods It's not like unless they're pre-prepared meals at Whole Foods are looking pretty good and you can just stick them in the oven I don't know, but uh, maybe that maybe that's what we'll take off with it Yeah, it could be and also, uh, I think they throw the dot in there Because this may be a good entry point for people that have never Oh, yeah, that's true. Because it's not I think you know because tom you were like what why would they do that? I think that's probably why that makes sense. Yeah All right, but wait, there's more. This is the last of the episode announcements They just went forever and they were at the same time as Oculus, but we we took that hit for you We're here to help you understand it all Sidewalk from amazon is a low bandwidth long distance wireless protocol meant to connect iot devices It has better range than bluetooth and wi-fi at up to a mile And is apparently more power efficient and simpler to implement than 5f It uses the free 900 megahertz spectrum and amazon will publish the protocol for other device makers to integrate The first product will be the ring fetch meant to track your dog coming next year Amazon also announced the certified for humans program to make setting up smart home devices easier Devices in the program will have a reduced number of steps to connect to amazon voice services Support automatic firmware updates and it does another requirements That's a thing you can put on your box to say like hey, if you got an echo This will be really easy to set up And then something called the day one addition program where you have to be invited to buy these products But if you are you get to try out some experimental stuff from amazon and the first two examples are echo frames Those are frames that you can put your prescription lenses in that have an integrated mic and small speaker So that you can talk to it and get voice assistant access through your glasses 180 dollars and the echo loop a titanium frame or a titanium ring That pairs with your phone and has a haptic engine to vibrate So it's activated when you hit a discrete button and you can hold it up to your mouth to talk to it Hold it up to your ear to hear responses And if you could like a phone call or something it'll vibrate to 130 dollars again These are both through the day one addition program that lets you try stuff if they let you I don't know how you get invited though. I want the dog one right. I need to ring fetch That's exactly the whole time. I was like can't wait Let's try it not day one addition That's just coming as an example of a sidewalk protocol device next year sometimes I would just say hurry up with that because I I feel like Like last night I couldn't find the dog. I don't know where she went This is just in the house.  So I would love something like that Especially yeah Um, but also something like echo frames. All right, so I mean two out of three of us are two out of uh Three out of four of us if we're including roger are wearing glasses, right? So if you could have the glasses that you already wear, but it has um Amazon has such an enabled Capabilities that's cool, right? I actually think I you know, maybe they're too expensive for what they do but You know 180 bucks that's a lot, but then a pair of glasses often this is before the lens is Okay, this is just the frames, but uh, sometimes frames can be that much So I like the idea that I could have these paired with my phone and be able to get some notifications and stuff I probably wouldn't use them as much as I think I do but this seems like a very elegant and very focused use of glasses I will say that for 180 bucks.  No No, no, no with the lenses $380 for your frames without the lenses Wow fancy boy No wonder you don't run your air conditioner Ah, geez No, but you're right, right all kidding aside, right? If you're spending a lot for all of this already Wouldn't it be cool to be able to you know have some smart capabilities? um That are uh bundled in well what roger needs roger needs a little I don't know like a tracking device that can latch onto his existing pair of very expensive glasses So that he hasn't lose it in the same way that we don't want to lose our dogs See, that's what I want. I want more tracking stuff And I know some of the stuff exists and you can go buy little wi-fi trackers and things like this But I really like this protocol for just what's the stuff I lose all the time my glasses Where's my wallet? Where's my whatever and I want to stick one of these on everything? That's how my life to be that'll be interesting. I I like that they're making the they're publishing the protocol I'd prefer it be an open standard. That's all that's all I'm saying Mm-hmm Well, thanks everybody who participates in our sub reddit. 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