All right, separate traders welcome on back here to close out the week here this Friday November 5th Great to see all of us live inside the cyber group room Norman Bobby Michael Michelle Jeffrey Leda Michael Got Al got Chuck seal out and clear from him and alongside all of them all of us in social media Facebook live or YouTube Welcome on back. I'll tell you what folks. It's the bottom of the ninth last looks here Basically meaning it'd be only got about an hour left before the end of the week normally on Fridays Not as much that happens really that leads to a lot of volatility, but we ended up seeing a few things I mean, obviously the stocks on our watch list to begin We ended up having a decent morning from those picks But it was also seeing the market drop off going into the early afternoon that allowed us to follow some really good shorts So it's actually been a pretty interesting Friday here and to tell you the truth I mean, we'll see what happens here, but I feel like this could be the calm before the storm So, you know, we might happen to have one final outbreak first, you know Heading into the market close and if so then I would look forward to it for right now The IO and Q trade here could certainly be one of those and you know It's breaking all-time highs right now or at least, you know trying to re break it It just popped above resistance off of 19 bucks a moment ago here throughout the morning and going into the day Really, it's been very choppy around that price Really, maybe it was just like, you know 1910 or 1905 that was the true top or resistance But nonetheless, if it's gonna keep breaking over 19 if we keep seeing more buying coming in off a really strong level Then you'd like to think there's a pretty good chance that we're gonna happen to see a big move So we ended up seeing this IO and Q right before this meeting started just break over 19 again And you know, albeit it just shook back down to it You would like to think this would be the first time in which it could hold support off that level and now This is a big big point in time right now for this trade It needs to really explode off this 19 level right now sooner than later at least So for the meantime easily we'll put the IO and Q on the afternoon watch list just to start All right great to see Lee here and Jean inside the live trading room You know, I'll tell you what we did pretty good this morning Not every pick that we put on the morning watch list worked out in our way And we'll talk about the rework or rewalk stock here We ended up seeing this one drop off shortly after the market opened up You know, hey for what it's worth this stock, you know If for it to make as big of a move as it made in pre-market, you would hope to see this stock continue But once it popped but then pulled back after the market opened up Odds are and it's just gonna continue. So, you know, this only ended up continuing to dump off the other one What was the other one the the board trade BORR real cheapy But this one ended up also just dumping off once the market opened This one was trending up beautifully at least within the pre-market hours. It topped off around 140 I think there was a huge iceberg order We had called out early in the pre-market hours at 141 Simply put failed to break above it didn't even sniff it when the market opened up just dropped off much like the RWLK Now with this stock, I'll tell you what, I mean it did pull back just now here, which Isn't too encouraging, but this volume spike a moment ago catches my eye So I want to take a look we ended up seeing a bunch of prints come in. Oh 124 All right, I was expecting it to be closer towards the opening bell print from this morning at 129 Didn't touch it. I figure 127 128 24 So right now with this pullback right now I'm not as particular about putting this on the main list at least just yet You know hey in the next 20 30 minutes as I keep going if this ends up making a big pop then they'll reconsider But you know for right now, certainly 129 is a you know a really strong top at a minimum on this trade alongside those two OCGN now OCGN was more of a stock that we had on the pre-market watch list Rather than the C2 morning list, right? But you know nonetheless, we ended up seeing this stock just you know consolidate chop around it was holding Pretty much over 10 broke below it a few occasions But that's where I always kind of just say your best entries to buy a stock are not on the way down It's not trying to catch the following knife. It's a matter of buying a stock directly after breaks through a big level on the way up So, you know, it's easy to say in hindsight But this ended up creating a couple of good trades off the 10 level today took a while to get it going But once it broke through 10 going up it led to a nice little run You know if the afternoon right now not as particular for putting this trade on the watch list at least just yet You know a good sideless stock as always insurable so if it drops off perhaps that could be a further opportunity The Ailes Yen Ailes Yen was a great stock not not on our watch list But we called this out as soon as the market opened up Fausto was on top of this right out the gate ended up breaking above resistance off to 50 made over a 50 cent move Broke over three later on and topped off right around 335 336 And for what it's worth right now. It's making a second wind type of move here Now, I don't know how far I would expect this to continue going up on a couple of reasons stocks traded a lot of volume across the Across the day today 134 plus million shares it Prior to today is traded on average 2.6 million shares on average it was trading per day prior to this morning's pre-market So hey 2.6 that that's you know decent for what CTU scans for at any point throughout it throughout a day But this stocks trading like 70 times that right now. So, you know loosely speaking at least So I would feel more so than anything this stock would be more exhausted Now granted it's moving up But again, this is where the second thing comes into and where's resistance? I would assume the VWAP I would assume 3 the combination of those two prices that should be a resistance And then even even above that you have a 53,000 share order on the ask at 310 you know huge iceberg so I You know the ALZN I'll put on the side, you know come back to it if I need to at the end All right, and then hey, we'll go over the ENDP trade pretty quick But then from there we'll go right from top to bottom the endo trade ended up making a beautiful slingshot after the market Opened up this stack although it wasn't on the pre-market list We had called it out again as soon as the market opened up live inside cyber group at least You know ended up making a snap down and it's not to say that it you know bounced off of five I think it held just above it But you know more so than anything I think it just snapped right over its opening bell print made it made a huge slingshot off The opening bell print price and from their flu. So this thing ended up maintaining a steady trend as a really Really tight spread filled in order book, you know liquid order book I should say so it was a great level one or two stock to follow And it usually is but you know not every day does it make this type of move at least so you know We caught it early. We weren't late to the party on this We were we were on top of this pretty quick and we were able to make most of it You know we saw the volume die off shortly after the peak once it ended up reaching right around 680 and then Just snap back down so again That's where I'll say when the volume dies off for a stock Typically the stock will look to begin to go the other way Talking about right here when it breaks out first and then of course we have the spike But that's where we have a lot of selling volume coming in at the time support breaking likely on the bid and from there The stock just got crushed after All right I don't know the stock still is tradable because because of the fact that it's at least shortable You know if it's not gonna break higher and break out over 620 then I'd like to think it's gonna break lower And it actually is shortable. So, you know, maybe I'll come back to this if I need to at the end I like the ALZN more actually shoot going back to the ALZN trade This one at least is also easy to borrow So if anything, I think I'll kind of promote the ALZN to the watch list here I like this more than the endo trade. We'll keep endo on the side list for right now the NDP that is To realize that right now I'm looking at the gainers list I don't see the HB abbreviation next to ALZN so, you know, should this fail to break higher then at least You know again, we could try and capitalize on a potential short All right So we do have Bitcoin to talk about at the end not a whole lot to really happen But you know, I want to just make sure that you folks know what I'm thinking going into the weekend We'll catch back up on Monday with that But we'll go right from top to bottom. Otherwise, we'll see what else we got John M shouting out the bet bet beyond trade actually so before anything we jump to that I'm sorry because that was actually one that we did call out going into the late morning the early afternoon That is right huge pop out of nowhere broke out from 20 Ended up making this two-point move initially and then pulled back but shot up another three points from 21 to 24 So, you know what? Let me pull up Benzinga pro. I'll take a quick look to see what happened on that trade I don't know if it was any sort of news or unusual options activity or whatnot Whoa, how about that bet bet beyond shares trading higher after Citron research is issued a long report And you know, I'm surprised by that because Andy left and Citron research is famously known for going short on on stocks And giving short reports them like Hindenburg research, you know, there's a couple other no firms that specialize in going short So pretty surprised. That's them that issued issued the long report today on bet bet beyond But yeah, I forgot about this one John. I appreciate you bringing it up I'm sure we would have gotten to it anyway Actually, I don't know because we got a lot of stocks are up right now percentage wise So maybe I wouldn't have found this going down the gainers list. So I do appreciate it. Yeah for right now, though I don't know. It's just trading in a tight range Volume did die off on it. It is shortable. So, you know, perhaps there's another drop in coming for that trade, too I'll put it on the side if I want to just jump back to this at the end like I'd said before, you know With the end EP I will All right quick water break right there folks. Let me just go across the gainers list first We'll see what else we got though. Otherwise How about this stock? This is like throwing me off here. It's like a cheapy below a dollar I'm not even gonna turn over to the chart, but it was his ag bar I have no idea what that what that stock is.  Otherwise, I see LT RYW Try saying that three times fast All right Rev number seven at least here at least the stock Revlon making a huge spike up over the last few days I don't think we've really traded the stock, you know Recently it probably just off low volume even right now trading about six hundred eighty-four thousand shares total today So, you know, it's not really trading the type of volume that we would really want to look for in Any trade so, you know, it's pushing up pretty nicely on the chart, but I'm gonna pass on this for right now Kidney KDNY. It's not the name of the stock here It's some therapeutic company But no ended up making a huge squeeze up earlier in the morning likely the same with this as we just said before on rev You know typically trades low volume day-to-day basis today three million shares total But thin liquidity out there on the order book and prior to today I mean, I was trading just around a quarter million shares per day. So that's that's really thin All right the ASRT is this starting a Not really starting to I guess it's kind of been coiled up all across the day today 135 I thought was a pretty important level at least in pre-market. So that's why I was kind of interested at first But I'll pass on this going back to ENDP, you know, again, if it's not gonna break higher Perhaps this could be an interesting short heading into the close good for about 15 20 cents Goose not a whole lot hat. I'm not a whole lot out there folks so far You know some expensive stocks on the gainers list Shaq, you know, if you have an options play on it, perhaps But otherwise just you know Really bad order book $92 stock Ah Here's our QRT QRTEA we ended up actually putting a stock on the afternoon watch list yesterday albeit We didn't really focus focus on it as much we're more focused on the for trade the proc trade heading into the market close So heading into the afternoon yesterday this one ended up making a nice little bounce But it was before or right as the afternoon meeting started So, you know, once it ended up making its way back over eight it moved up, but it was pretty slow Today only continued. So, you know, it looks like a popped after the market opened up Just smooth sailing really across the whole day So, you know, obviously you could say it's been like a decent swing trade back-to-back days here at least going into the afternoon, but I Don't know not really too particular about this one right now All right, we got John saying bet bet beyond popping now. It's popping. Oh, it's popping I'll call that a pop. There we go.  This is this is a pop here. I like that. So great call from John I like that I put that bet beyond on the main list kind of promote this one also There we go. And David, how about this? David? I just made a dollar 35 on ELF.  There was a stock that sounded familiar to ELF That I called out earlier EAF. I was calling out EAF earlier going into the afternoon myself And this stock we would have found on the gainers list here at some point, but yeah, you know right now this EAF It's at the highs right now. I don't know if it's All-time high. I don't think it is to see it trade that slow 52 becai here roughly around 1417 that was back on May 17th this year. Oh, yeah, not all-time highs like close I don't know. I mean, it's trading about 70,000 shares per minute. The order book isn't really too filled in or too thick so I feel like this has a chance to make a pop at some point You know, I'll put this on the list just at the bottom. Yeah, yeah All right. Let's see if there's any other stocks to round out the gainer side here folks And the WTTR pop earlier, I don't know if it died off the volume died off So, you know what I'll say about that And just about does it on the gainers list if there's anything else that that move that's moving up Then let me know I already got a couple of shouts here right now I'm just gonna jump over to loser side though. I DC pH, you know This is where we'll say for a stock that's down as much as DC pH was you certainly hope for you know What we call the DCB the dead cat bounce, right? I But if it's not gonna make that move Then you can't hope and hold so myself and Fausto earlier today were you know in this stock I ended up doing kind of alright I you know made like I forgot even the amount of money, but it was just tinier profit not not the best thing But ended up just dropping back down right it goes back to what I always say if it's not gonna break higher There's only one other way the stock is gonna go So or at least at the time So you just don't want to hope and hold and have this happen to you throughout the course of the day, right? You're talking about the stock in class this week. Look at the AR AR DX and not even from today This stock actually was like a pop and drop today from pre-market But you know you could just look at the weekly chart then and I'll go back to daily But this stock ended up making a huge gap down in pre-market one morning Never ended up making its way back up never even close to a dead cap bouncer or some sort of retracement up So unfortunately DC pH, I don't know You know it seems like that won't be coming back for a little while now I'll tell you what I got two shouts right now on BB IG second time on the Chatboard chatboard of ours here. I Know this one's not really worth watching yet if anything. I mean it's it's crawling it's crawling up not really What I'm looking for right now, you know, if this made a bigger pop like bet-bath beyond that's obviously different Yeah, I don't know Checking on proc if we need to you know if it looks like that, you know BB IG then I'm not gonna put it on the list either But how about this? Whoa? We got blue here blue. It's like kind of flat, but at the lowest of the day shortable And Otherwise if it's not gonna break a lower coming up going into the final hour Maybe we'll get a nice squeeze up here on the stock here So, you know what kind of right above the EAF but still kind of near the bottom of our watch list so far We'll put we'll put the blue trade on there and I say that here because this stocks down 44 freaking percent So, you know going into the close you would like to think this stocks gonna make a big move either way up or down If it continues down, I don't know if it's at all time lows That would be a more attractive opportunity to see continues a short Yeah seems to be seems to be All time lows. All right, so even furthermore Edgi I this one doesn't have as liquid of an order book definitely pass on this Peloton Definitely will have a filled-in book for a $56 stock So, you know a little outside our price range if you want to follow this if you do well on peloton on a day to day Basis as a day trader or if you follow the options on it and then have a put on it. That's different But yeah, I'm gonna pass on the equity at least All right, what a break number two. I'm running low. You're also so we'll try to finish up pretty quick the AOI I feel like at some point this is gonna be some sort of monster short squeeze I say that just knowing them the longer term chart, you know the monthly here now But you could see the stock squeezed from 10 to 100 dumped all the way back down to five and You know event eventually who knows might be like a year from now.  It'll be a fantastic trade Yeah Right now it kind of slow D-vax out D-vax at the low of the day here as well trading a little bit more volume per minute compared to the others still within our price range It'll be hard to not put this on our list here. All right All right, so we're starting to fill in pretty nicely here folks with our watch list so far if there's anything else already Just let me know I got the Nikola trade which is also near the lows right now. It's it's like kind of slow So, you know, this already made such a big drop from earlier this morning going into the afternoon And I was wrong with with what my initial thought this stock would do today would be I you know, I thought it would end up continuing to move up, you know from yesterday's move ended up dropping down to 14 I got in all 14 and I did pretty good on the first trade. I got I got about 33 cents on it But then it pulled back down. I tried jumping back in all 14 a few times I got chopped around. Hey, if it's not gonna break higher, right? So, you know, I didn't go short on this but thankfully from that point I stopped trading it and then it continued to drop off and I guess there was no looking back, right? So, you know for right now it might continue to pull back, but it's just a little slow slow here for my liking I think it's already made the brunt of the move already. I think that just about wraps it up your folks I mean, hey, there's a lot that's down So maybe not just yet, but I'm looking at some of the other stocks here on the losers list Not too many other familiar names So normally if there's not as many familiar names on the losers list here Then I typically kind of just skim through so this is one that is familiar canopy growth And that's the last one I was thinking about checking out I don't know this one's like kind of slow as well, but definitely tradable. I mean easily a tradable stock I don't know what the other pot stocks are doing till ray This one's even slower for the meantime Chronos has got to be like watching the grass grow here turns the chart things are slow here on my end Yes, it's pretty slow. So for right now a CGC. I don't know. I mean, it's tradable I don't really have a need to put this stock on the list If you want to give it a shot, this is definitely one where I'll say, you know, hey if you want to Give this a look go ahead either way, you know, it's not like it's a level 4 stock where I'd say Hey, you know, you do well on the stock specifically, you know who you are You know, this stock has really tight spread really good order books. You know, I like that Michael says lucid moving higher. Yeah, this is definitely one I would take a look at here So, you know, a little more volatile compared to CGC. This is more of a, you know, level 3 stock I'd say but you know, definitely liquid book on the way up to the highs right now and 40 50 and Really outside of this squeeze from the beginning of the year. This stock is getting close to, you know, relatively uncharted territory The big squeeze up so there's of course data to work off of on the daily chart once it pops But you know, otherwise not much Right not as much compared to the consolidation we had around 30 and 25, so Yeah, there we go and about it like a we got a stack of icebergs on the ask right now It's at 40 40 and 40 50 Keep that. All right, cool. Great call from Michael there on lucid Really good call from William D. There you go. M Y and Z Got in from five out at 10 Heck is that true boy? I don't know what this company is. Is this like a new IPO? You may have been to write in from 10 out at 10 20 20 some profit. I think that he made New IPO, I don't know trading four and a half million shares just very big order book or a very big spread right now And thin thin order book What else we got here from Buster? He says when recovering that one's I know pretty expensive. So let me just say Yeah, I mean, you're not wrong covering And you're the highs up over up near 7% It says RM and I good company with two days major retracement 30% yesterday and 7% today. Oh, so perhaps looking for like a short I mean otherwise right now, I mean, it's made a double bottom and if it's not gonna continue to break lower This is what I appreciate. I appreciate this call out as well I mean this one definitely more than a price range and as it has a tight spread filled in book for right now and Huh, I haven't really focused much on this trade here It's a little slow for right now, but it's definitely what I'm writing down on the no pad like Monday morning. I'll take a look at this RM and I Doesn't seem to treat a lot of volume on a day-to-day or at least on a more consistent matter, but You know drops like these. I mean, you're gonna get more volume traded over time That's for sure All right, folks gonna go into crypto world here for a quick moment really just Bitcoin Otherwise, you know, if there's anything else as I go just type it in the chat board Anything else that makes a big move a nice pop like the Lucid motor straight that Michael called out or anything else Otherwise All right, so I got a little funky here with my lines So I wanted to show this because you know, it's just to say simply that Crypto Bitcoin, you know, whichever here's Bitcoin, of course But you know it's to say that it trades just like a stock now what I mean by that is you know In the case of seeing resistance become support support become resistance and so forth So you could see and you know, these aren't going to be picture-perfect support resistance lines on every occasion, right? That also is the case with stocks, but it's to say right around here right around 50,000 800 I believe this line is you know, I drew pretty decent support broke under and over it And then once it rebroke Well, it ended up holding as resistance pretty well false breakout When it broke above it, well, it just shot up pretty nicely. I Don't think at this point that Bitcoin's gonna pull back as low to this line God forbid if it ever if it does then you know, I would look to buy I would anticipate that to be support But you know, otherwise we've already seen this line hold the support pretty nicely and then this one here naturally I believe this is the 60,000 line here where my cursor is So it's just simply to say that you know resistance becomes support over time And if we happen to see this break over this line that I drew from Wednesday, you know, that was a quick line I drew I think that was right off of 63,700 No, again, these lines aren't going to hold picture perfect on every single occasion, right? So if you're into Bitcoin trying to follow the price action like I'm showing, you know Keep in mind that it still may dip below that 63 7-line once it breaks above it But it is to say that once it runs from that price I would anticipate on that being a stronger area of support much like the other levels have been Now let me just get the other moving average lines up and I'll make things pretty confusing to read probably but You know, you can get the 50 up for right now, which I don't show often The six the six hour chart by the way, I always really go off of for me It's like the one hour the six hour and then into more the daily weekly monthly I'm not as big into you know The shorter term time frames like I am as a day trader with stocks But you know, it is to say though, otherwise that you know, hey from Wednesday and not a whole lot really has happened It's just to say that it's holding above the 100 moving average on the six hour graph pretty nicely and if it ends up making a pop over this trend line here off The highs this is where I think that we're gonna get the real big move over the 63 7-line here I think that'll be kind of a simultaneous reaction All right, so really that's all you got for me with crypto folks I can go into Cardano and Ethereum and you know Phantom and Solana and all that but I don't think that we really have enough time Talk just about Bitcoin and we'll go into the others next week if you'd like alright folks if you have any questions for all this in social media or if you'd want to want me to go over any of your Altcoins or whatever it may be you can always send over a quick email send it right to my email address Josh at c2 trading calm And then we'll go from there All right for all this love inside the trading room for all of us on social media again last call if there's anything else that I missed here just type it in the chat board There's a little pop-up for you buster on that RM and I The view op 750 I said if I needed to I check in with the endo trade, right? I don't feel like I need to but I will I like the stock Look at that ended up moving back up at least Ended up retracing back up held support pretty nicely off the chart although it broke below six It held support pretty nicely off of like 595 there and then ended up inching back up Yeah, it wouldn't hurt me to slip this on the list here at the end how the endo trade We are familiar with the stock live inside cyber group here We've called the stock out off of earnings off of news Off of news with other pharma companies like my Lin which is delisted and Tiva You know this stock has moved with those stocks in the past so we are familiar with this trade at least It's not like I'm throwing a 30 cent spread stack on the watch list, you know And someone gets their account blown up trading it MTCR from Donnie Also a stock that has a decent spread decent volume on the book up 8 plus percent It's inching up You know if this ends up showing more signs of life then we'll call it out further live inside the the room here Donnie So, you know not a bad call. I think I'm gonna stick with what we have here for the meantime All right, so that makes in total now two four six eight stocks to work with so not not that big for me here folks All right, so for all of a sudden Facebook and for all of a sudden YouTube enjoy the weekend That's all you got for me there. Otherwise, well, we'll catch back with everyone on Monday. All right folks talk to you all soon. Take care


what I see consistently is developers want to develop, right? That's what gets them up in the morning. That's what gets them excited. They want to build these applications that have an impact on their customers or on their business or whoever they're supporting. And I think anything that gets in the way of that is an issue for them. Hi, this is your host, Soplin Bharti and welcome to you. Let's talk. And today we have with us Mark Krister, VP of Strategy of Progress, Chef. Mark is great to have you on the show. Thanks, Svangal. It's great to be here. Yeah. And I was looking at the kind of topic you suggested what we should discuss today. And it was like, has DevOps lost its luster? So I will like, when I look at the topic about, hey, this is interesting, which also kind of threw me to a lot of discussion that I have. We do talk about all these culture movements. And we say, you know, DevOps should not even be in your job title. It's kind of process. You know, it's like practice it within teams. So just these are labels. But if you look at the basic word that is going on is, you know, the dev teams creating new packages, new software that adds business value, and then ops team, we actually run that. And that takes me to the old time of Linux sys admins, you know. So if you look at it, that we can change all those like fashions, but there are certain specializations will also be there. People will always be specialized in networking, storage, security is a very specialized field.  So before we get into deeper into this discussion, what I do want to hear from you as you talk to a lot of customers, clients, but you keep an eye on the ecosystem, how we have seen the evolution of developers, dev teams, where they are trying to balance themselves between, you know, that own what you have built, like the whole developer culture versus maintaining a distance from operations, because we talk about dev ops, we talk about DevSecOps, a lot of things are moving in developers pipeline with shift left. So talk about what you're seeing there. You know, I think what I see consistently is developers want to develop, right? They that's what gets them up in the morning. That's what gets them excited. They want to build these applications that have an impact, you know, on their customers or on their business or whoever they're supporting. And I think anything that gets in the way of that is an issue for them. And so, you know, we've moved to agile and now we're moving to dev ops. And the whole notion of being able to reduce the amount of time it takes to set up the infrastructure. As you talked about it, you know, doing maintenance or being involved in the security aspect of it. So I don't think there's resistance for developers to do those things. They just tend to want to develop. And I think, you know, there's a lot of good things happening with dev ops. And of course it was tongue in cheek in terms of whether dev ops has lost its luster, because it can be very important and shares a lot of values with what's happening with platform engineering as well. But I think the key is just to automate and provide self service is what developers are really looking for. How is the whole ecosystem making it easier for dev teams so they can continue to focus on building, you know, application that at business value and remove a lot of complexity that comes in the way? Yeah, I think it's a great question. And I think especially a lot of times what we see is as people move to the cloud or try to adopt cloud native technologies like you said, Kubernetes, then they do that kind of hand in hand with a dev ops implementation. And you know, our desire is to be able to have a single dev ops framework that works regardless of where your applications are running, what type of applications you're running, whether you're, you know, in the public cloud, hybrid cloud, whether you're managing applications on the edge, no edge devices point of sale. It's really using a single framework that we define or like to refer to as policy as code. So policy as code provides the benefits of human readable. So it helps people collaborate across different siloed teams, but also machine enforceable. So that's really the core of the automation. So that's, that's kind of what I think about in terms of, of how people are moving forward with relative, you know, relative to like cloud native and making that transition. If you look at organizations, how they are embracing these practices, like when we talk about dev ops or platform engineering, and these are like, there are tools also, but mostly these are practices, cultural movement. And we cannot just paint every organization with a broad, you know, stroke, depending on how big you are, depending on, there are a lot of early adopters, there are a lot of companies who are very, you know, beginning stage, they are still embracing it. But broadly, what kind of trend you're seeing how organizations are kind of embracing deploying dev ops and platform engineering principles, or they are still struggling. Hey, what is dev ops? What is platform engineering? When I look at kind of the foundation of each, you know, they're while dev ops, dev sec ops, I don't think there was a lot of vernacular around developer experience. It really was trying to improve the experience for everybody involved in the development side from dev to IT ops, and then to from security as well. I think automation is at the heart of all this as well. So automation in terms of automating configuration, checks, compliance checks, and then to auto remediate as well. And then we see that, you know, on the foundation of policy as code, which can be extended to what's happening with platform engineering, because, you know, we want to use smart automation to allow developers to kind of do the things that only they can do and automate the, you know, the routine, the redundant stuff that we need to do. And I think the other thing that ties the two movements together is really this notion of self-service, you know, which is going beyond kind of self-service for organizations, for developers to do code, test, and deploy, but also to bring in the security aspect as well. What happens to developer experience, you know, because that is also very important. How can organizations kind of maintain a balance between two, with all these things at the same time, kind of also maintain a developer experience? So they continue to do the kind of things they need to do. I think it's really, you know, getting the right set of tools and practices in place. Like you said, you know, DevOps is not just around technology, but a lot of this around process and culture. So I think kind of working together holistically to put together the right set of tools that constitute that platform versus thinking of it as a heavy weight platform, you know, you can even go to, you know, this notion of composable services. So, you know, it's kind of, I hate to go back to service oriented, but, you know, the more things change, the more things, the more they seem to stay the same. So services oriented component based is really important for that as well. These days, we all talk about generative AI, you know, gen AI. It can be seen in two ways. One is, of course, new workloads that are leveraging. At the same time, it may also move in developer pipeline where they will start leveraging it. And this is already happening, you know, generative AI, I mean, AI has been around for a long time, but generative AI can also become a very good tool to kind of, you know, it's like it's going to kind of augment their work, not like take it away. How do you see, it may be too early, that generative AI will also help these teams, DevOps team, developer teams, DevOps teams to further improve their processes. So once again, they can focus on higher level of stuff. From our perspective, being a chef, you know, DevOps vendor, obviously, when we get in and we're using our tool set to actually help organizations kind of speed development and productivity, we collect a lot of information, right? And of course, that's secure and it could be on premise. So it's not access to information that we're worried about, but it's the potential to mine that data to help in some ways get to automation. But even before you get to automation, being able to mine that information to do some of the things that you mentioned in terms of SRE and being able to kind of measure their efficiency and how fast that they are developing great experiences. So I think for us, I think it's let's walk before we run, let's not get overly hyped on a all things to AI, but let's think about more practically what we can do. So I think the first thing is a use the data that we have more effectively and analyze that with whatever algorithms are available to bring the most value out of that data. And then over time look for areas where we can automate processes either with or without AI. It's really kind of how do we automate, use the best technology to automate? Sometimes we jump on the AI machine, but there's a lot of automation that can be done even without AI. What kind of trends you're seeing in this space where you're like, you know, yes, Kubernetes has solved the problem, it has become not the next because you still need the Linux kernel there, but it has kind of become a stable piece of technology like kernel or you're looking at some other technology which are emerging, which you feel will be disruptive again in this space. You're right. And you alluded to this. First of all, you need to pick the right technology for what it is that you're trying to do. And sometimes an older technology is just perfectly fine.  So I think really what's driving the success of Kubernetes is really the architecture. The architecture model, you know, is really efficient. It allows organizations to kind of build things, you know, and construct them together from components with it. But, you know, I think the thing that people struggle with the most is how do they manage that? And so I think, I think before Kubernetes really takes off, it's going to take, you know, a lot of work on each team's part to figure out how best to organize, you know, and to move forward with that. So, you know, I guess I'm not answering your question about what I think, you know, AI, of course, is out there. But I think, you know, it's not so much what's the latest technology, but what, how do you string together the right mix of technologies, which is really back to, you know, a lot of work that people do around the software development lifecycle, you know, they're thinking about, well, what should I do for CICD, what should I do for testing, what should I do for so on and so forth, which is the right thing. But they want to, should extend that to what needs to happen on the ITOPS side, you know, on and down the road, like observability and infrastructure management and even load balancing to make sure you've got the right security built in. So I think it's, I think I don't focus so much on what the bleeding technology is, it's how do we get the existing technologies together in a way that really drives the most productivity. What would be your advice, what would be the right approach for organizations to build internal culture, which will be about, of course, the whole devos, platform engineering, SREs, chaos engineering, so that irrespective of what kind of technologies come in, the organization is prepared, you know, one of the footage in like something stable, and they can still keep dipping their toes in the shiny object. No, that's a great question too.  And so I think it's almost starting small, right, get the right people involved in your dev ops or platform engineering efforts and design the right framework that they plan to use to propagate out to the rest of the organization and be very thoughtful about change management, you know, cultural issues and things like that. And I think at some point, you know, don't oversell what the end point is going to be. But I think, you know, if you see how hard it is for organizations to hire and retain people, the best people, I think the best people want to go to an organization that's thoughtful about these processes, is thoughtful about how best to structure the work, what tools to use that will allow them to really, you know, to be their best at work. So I think kind of focusing on the long game. And then there's no end, right? You don't put together a dev ops project plan and say, okay, we've achieved dev ops, it's continuous work that you need to do to keep on top of things. Like you said, swap in terms of new changes, new technologies, but we can always improve, right? We can always learn from what we've done in the past and make small incremental changes, which is another good thing about platform engineering. It's not in dev ops, it's not, you're just going to gain efficiency in one area. You have the potential to, you know, gain efficiency in everything that you do. And those maybe small efficiencies end up to be something significant for the business. Can you also talk a bit about the role that you see of progress chef in this space? How you folks are, once again, making it easier for teams to consume these latest technologies without having to worry about the complexity? That's a great question. I mean, as most of the viewers know, I mean, progress chef has, well, chef has been, you know, instrumental in terms of the dev ops movement, progress acquired chef a number of years ago. And we want to think very holistically about not only dev ops, but kind of infrastructure management. And so we complement what we do with chef. And, you know, we're way beyond just doing configuration management. In fact, our bigger focus in terms of what our customers are doing is all around compliance. So once you've got something configured correctly and it meets your policy, then continuous scans in terms of making sure that that configuration hasn't drifted, and then auto remediating that and then being able to use that same approach on cloud assets as well out to the edge. But I think kind of going forward, it's, it's, you know, looking beyond that to say, okay, what else do we need to do with network monitoring and observability application lifecycle management. And to kind of think about that holistically, just like you piece together the SDLC tools, think about how that infra ops or infrastructure management capability can be brought together. Because that's really how you're going to get layered security. That's how you're going to meet your, you know, zero trust requirements and to be able to move the organization forward by both delivering applications, but making sure they're secure and compliant. Mark, thank you so much for taking time out today to talk about this cultural shift and tech tools and everything else. And I would love to chat with you again soon. Thank you. That'd be awesome. Thanks so much.


Our little camp is a little bit messy. I think if I would do the trip again, maybe I would even get a bigger tent. Okay, I better leave him for a little bit longer. Thank you, sweetheart. A few moments later. Good morning guys. Welcome back to our Guinness World Record attempt to become the youngest pair to circumnavigate the globe by motorcycle. Good morning, Bumblebee. We are here in the city of Pompeii in Italy and we're just having our breakfast inside the tent because there are so many mosquitoes everywhere. And we picked up some really nice Italian cheese from the supermarket. They actually had the cheese in like giant wheels. So you know that it's like really really good cheese. And then we have some breed cheese as well. Yesterday we had a sightseeing day and we visited the ancient ruins of Pompeii. But I'll tell you guys more about that when we hit the road. So let me show you where we're heading today. So we are here and today we are heading past the city of Naples to a small town called Cereto Laziale. Somewhere around here just outside of Rome. We're heading to Cereto Laziale because our good friend Giulio is living there and it's right next to Rome. So we're going to be spending the weekend with him seeing all the amazing sights that Rome has to offer. Yes, it's about a four hour ride to the town and we still have to pick up everything. It's already 11 o'clock so better hit the road. Let's go. Oh no. Guys, I don't know what's happening here, but they really love all these boots. That is absolutely a disaster. Look at that. Oh no, they're like everywhere. So former apparently ends really love the design of your boots. Yeah, very tasty boots apparently. I don't even know how to get them out to be honest. Yeah, maybe your idea is good. Maybe we put like a piece of cheese just next to the boots and then they'll all come out. Should we try that? I have cookies. Okay, so here's the cookie trail leading out the boot towards the cookie mecca. Come on guys, out you come. Tasty cookies. Come on. That's really nice. 20 minutes later. So it's not really working fast enough so I'm going to take some salt and I'm just going to sprinkle it all inside the boots so that it's very like salty and then they're going to be like, eww, salty and then they're going to leave. Do you think salt helps as well for really smelly boots? It might do. I don't know what it will do to the boots. I want them to think that it's a really terrible place to be. They've got to get out of here. So we're leaving there for a minute. Five minutes later. Okay, so it's mostly gone now. There's still a few of them running around but it's about as good as we can get I reckon. So the rest of them are just going to have to be squished. Sorry guys. Oh let's see if we can turn it on after a day off. No, we can't unfortunately. It's dead again. Okay.  Yeah, we just got all our gear on. Okay, well we're going to have to go and ask somebody then hey. Found someone. Hey, let's see. It's not that long anymore. Please stay alive. Thank you. Bye bye. Nice. All right, there we go. Small hiccup in the morning but we can hit the road. Yeah. I say the morning. What time is it? Oh, it's 12 o'clock probably. I think it's nearly 12 o'clock. Yeah. But anyway guys, this camping here super cool called Spartacus Camping Bungalows.  Here pretty much the entrance to Pompeii is here. These are the ruins right up on this hill. Yeah, exactly. That's how close this place is. How cool is that, hey? But we are going on this road here towards Napoli Roma. Is this the right one? No, it's probably not the right one, is it? Is it automatic? Or is it with a person? I don't know. Please in search card as shown. Oh, there you go. Done. Okay. So here we can see in front Mount Vesuvius. The main reason why Pompeii is still visible today because just under 2000 years ago this volcano erupted and completely engulfed the city of Pompeii covering it in a huge layer of ash and pumice. The city was then buried and because of subsequent eruptions in I think 500 A.D., the city was then further buried and further buried to the point where people forgot that it even existed. Can you believe that a whole perfectly functioned city here suddenly totally forgotten? It's absolutely crazy. So for nearly a thousand years nobody even remembered the name Pompeii or that there was even a city there. It was just a sort of countryside land, just a hill. You couldn't see any of the ruins. Yeah. And then one day I think in the 1500s they were digging to do some construction to build some sort of underground aqueduct system and they came across the ancient walls of the city but it took hundreds of years and it wasn't really until the late 1700s and the 1800s that they really started to excavate the site and realize what they had there. And what they have there is really one of the most incredible Roman sites in the world. A huge city of at the time 11,000 people entirely preserved. All the streets, all the houses, all the bakeries, the laundrets, pretty much everything that you needed to run a city. All of these buildings are preserved and they're preserved to such an amazing detail. You can even still see the frescoes, the paintings on the walls of the people's houses. You can see all of the mosaic flooring. So when you're like walking on the streets of Pompeii it feels like you're just walking in a normal city but actually nobody's been living there for like 2,000 years. Wow really a goosebumps place for sure. Yeah I mean we'd seen Roman ruins in different places so far like in Pamocale but this was just Roman ruins on a massive scale. There was a 20,000 seater amphitheater, there was a marketplace, there were temples. Yeah it was just so interesting to see how advanced the Romans were like they had entertainment, they had like restaurants, they had bakeries, you know they had like laundries. We could read on one side they talked about how they did their laundry and apparently they used a pier. Yeah they used a pier in a big bath where then the slaves apparently stepped on the clothes because the pier was apparently very good to remove all the dirt from the clothes. Can you believe it? It was really really cool to walk around there. I think we walked in total 12 kilometers just up and down the streets and you know what the most incredible thing about it is? This is absolutely crazy but the people who stayed and got caught in the big pyroclastic flow that came down from Vesuvius on the second day of the eruption these people were completely preserved in exactly the positions that they died in in their last moments. The pyroclastic flow apparently came at 70-80 kilometers per hour through the city and the people were effectively preserved in the ash and then over time their body decayed and the bones decayed but what was left was basically a hole which was exactly the outline of their body and the first archaeologists that were excavating the site they noticed that there was sort of these cavities as they were digging down but at first they didn't realize what it was but then one really clever archaeologist he realized that these were the outlines of the bodies preserved in the ash so his idea was to then inject plaster into the cavities and then they got rid of the ash all around and what was left was a perfectly preserved outline of the body and you could see everything the faces the clothes they were wearing and the positions that they were in. Yeah it was really hard touching actually because you could see families as well like there was one example of a mom holding a baby or we saw other people with jars of food or anything like this in their hands so frozen in time it's incredible. Yeah that whole place is just a perfectly preserved frozen in time moment from AD 79 and when you're walking through those streets you really feel like you're transported back there it was a really really special place to visit. Yes of all sites we have visited on this trip I think this is number one for me and I'm not even that interested in the Roman Empire. So for now we're just going to be following this highway for the next 100 miles before turning off onto some smaller roads heading into the countryside for the beautiful little town of Cereto Lasiale. Well I just checked the prices inside here at the rest area and it's like easily 10 euro and more for a meal so I bought some baguette which was like 2 euro 50 and some Italian mortadella. Mortadella Bologna. And then anyway we still have some cheese left over as well so we would just have a picnic outside here. Yummy. That's not a baby belly that's a biker belly I can't even close my trousers anymore. Do you think we have too much cheese? Okay after the trip we're going to stop eating cheese for a bit and we have to start working out. Well I had no idea but here in Italy they have like two different prices for fuel depending on whether you fill it up yourself or if somebody else fills it up for you which they call like Servizio. So it's like 1 euro 94 per litre if you do it yourself or 2 euros 21 if they do it for you. Isn't that crazy hey? That is absolutely crazy. That's absolutely crazy. I mean is it really worth that much for them to fill it up for you? Well we can do about ourselves hey? Absolutely. Okay and we I already have somebody to fill it up for me for free. I think last time we actually went to that one by accident. Yeah. So I think we actually overpaid by a lot without realising it. 30 euro hey? Geez. All right we are coming off of the highway so now let's take on some nice Italian countryside roads. Italy is beautiful so so beautiful. Look at that hey? Wow yeah this is a really nice area. Yeah. Just beautiful winding roads and the hills and loads of olive trees. Look at all these olive trees. Actually we have yet to have olives here. Yeah I don't know in my mind I knew Italy is beautiful but I didn't expect this you know I wasn't prepared for so much beauty. Hey guys editing Oli here whilst we bask in the beauty of rural Italy. I wanted to tell you guys about this video sponsor On Vacation Doctor and their super handy app for people travelling the world like us. The On Vacation Doctor app connects you to top English speaking doctors in any country in the entire world including here in Italy with over a thousand doctors in the Naples region alone. 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Yeah and Julio was one of the awesome people that we met during that trail. He was hiking the trail. We both finished like within a few days of each other and we had a big celebration at the end. Yes and since this actually Julio invited us like two or three times a year to come and visit him in Italy. I don't know why but we always had to miss it because we weren't close enough or we had other plans or whatever reason. Yeah even in our trip around Europe in the camper van we didn't come to Italy and every time Julio was messaging us and he was always disappointed that we never made it to him. We are finally here Julio! What do you think? We've made it finally. It's so cool, really really cool. But Julio is such an awesome guy and it was so nice walking with him camping with him along the way. He even wrote a book about the trail. Yeah it is in Italian but it's really cool because he studied philosophy so it's really really nice just to talk to him you know because he has a lot of ideas, he's a really creative person. So it's going to be really cool to spend the next few days together and explore this beautiful area with a beautiful old friend.  Welcome to Saretto L'Aziale. Well look at this town, it's like right on the edge of a cliff. Like so many towns here in Italy hey? Yeah they seem to like building towns on the edge of cliffs. They're like I don't like the flat island, I like the nice view. I'm sorry if my Italian accent offends anyone. Well look at this area. Incredible. Such a nice place Julio lives in. Wow. Julio has sorted us out with an Airbnb for the weekend so here we go. This is Piazza Monte Ruffo. Okay. And apparently we are meeting him somewhere here. Okay look at that hey what a nice place. Are you okay? Yeah very good. Saretto L'Aziale. Saretto L'Aziale. Little village. Saretto L'Aziale. Fantastic. Fantastic. Fantastic. Now we are going to the Airbnb. Okay. You can rest and after that just an easy dinner pizza. That's a good place. This is nice. I like it. Yeah. Okay he's coming and we can wait there. Okay. Cool. It's a castle. It's a tower. It's a tower. It's a castle. That's cool. After dinner we go. Nice. Oh nice. Okay. 70 years old Vespa. Look at that. This is what we want to be riding around Italy on. Wow look at this place. Here is the owner. Ciao ciao. And look at the view out of the window. Look at this. Wow wow wow. And it's got like marvel window sills. Ciao ciao. This place is beautiful. Yes. You are the owner of Cerreto. Exactly. And it's not only the bedroom but it's like a whole apartment. Look. Look. Look. It's got a whole kitchen. What is this? Oh. You can do some sewing. We're not sewing. But Julio says that we're not going to have to use the kitchen because his mother is here. Yes. You are in the country of food you know. Okay. You are my host. I'm so excited. My family host. So we are in really really good hands here in Italy. Yeah. How did you like this? So that's it from us today. We hope you enjoyed the video. If so please give us a thumbs up. Subscribe to the channel. Share the video with your friends and family. Comment below. See you next time.