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My name is Maria Mera, I'm going to be your host and I'm also a financial advisor with Edward Jones. And you know at Young and Hard we like to cover all kinds of topics but today is probably one of my favorites and I think you're going to enjoy it a lot. We're going to explore how to stay healthy through food. And I brought my guest today, she's a trained cook and she's also the author of one of the best-selling books on Amazon. One of the books that talks about how to bring farm to table. The name of the book, I'm having trouble pronunciating, I hope you guys understand me but I'm going to ask her for help. So the name is Boosles and Fist and my guest is Rina Thoma. Rina welcome to the show today. Thank you so much Maria, thank you so much for having me on the show today. Awesome, thank you for joining us. Just out of the door here, please, Boosles and Fist, tell us a little bit about the title and how you came up with that title and pronunciate it properly please. Yeah, Bushels and Fist, I think your pronunciation sounds great. When I was working on some of the marketing for the book, this was before I had a title for the book, I just wrote the sentence, it was something like transforming bushels of real food ingredients into healthy, delicious, everyday feasts. And I'm looking at the sentence and I just saw bushels and feasts and I just knew that was it. I had the title of my book and it was towards the very end, almost close to when I was about to launch the book, I still didn't have a title and it just as soon as I saw it, I knew. That was it, right? Sometimes you just fall in love with the title of your book but that's, so what are you passionate about? What is it really the reason why you wrote the book and you said a little bit just to inspire, but in your own words, what is your mission statement? There was just, you know, there's so many things, I think, you know, I just, I love food so much, I mean, that's why I went to culinary school, I just wanted to learn how to cook really, really well.  And then when I went to culinary school, I just, I went to culinary school in San Francisco, California and I just fell in love with the farm to table culture there in California. I fell in love with the restaurants, the chefs, the farmers, you know, I was in the Valley and Sonoma and wine country and, you know, experiencing farm to table cuisine at its best and, you know, I was very, very inspired by that and, and, you know, my husband and I shortly after that moved to Europe and we were in spent a lot of time in France and they have such a huge farm to table culture there. It was just, I just saw how these two worlds, let me stop you right there. Just for those who are not so familiar with their farm to table theory or the basis of it, what does farm to table mean? Farm to table basically means that we'll use a restaurant for an example. A restaurant will have a relationship with a farm and they get all their fruits and vegetables, they get all their grass fed, beef and pork and pastured chickens and, and, and it's their menu typically changes, if not daily, weekly, depending on what's in season, what's available, what's at its peak of freshness, of ripeness and so when you eat at a farm to table restaurant and these are all over San Francisco, all over California, you're, it's really a reflection of the market and, and what's available and in turn, the food is just so unbelievably amazing and delicious and, and, and, and we'll get into your travels and maybe more towards the second part of this. So, um, and, but I, I want you to compare a little bit, um, the, you keep saying farm to table in California, which I experienced myself living there for nine years, but, um, do you, since, since we both live in Hawaii and most of our viewers are in Hawaii, did you find, uh, did you find it easy to find that farm to table? Well, I, I live in Honolulu and, um, have you been to Miriamans by chance? Miriamans, he's a great chef and his restaurant is farm to table and it's right down the street for me. Um, you know, I think, you know, there's not a lot of farm to table restaurants here, but there are, there are a lot of chefs who are paying attention to the seasons and that their menus do change with the seasons and I love that. I don't, you know, um, I don't have to eat at farm to table restaurants and I, but I love to, um, because we, and we support our own local, uh, people, right? I, and actually I met you at a farmers market that funny of, so we're obviously both supporting that. Um, is that something that like, let's say for people who are starting, is that something that you would recommend to go to a farmers market and buy there or it really doesn't matter where you buy, um, your food? Um, I think a lot of people don't pay a lot of pay a lot of attention to, you know, where their food comes from and where they're buying their food. Um, but I, you know, with my book, I really wanted to inspire people to, to do that a little more often. Um, I really wanted to inspire people to go to the farmers market, you know, go there and have fun there.  And then of course the farmers are selling the most beautiful. You cannot get ingredients at the grocery store like what you're going to find at the farmers market. At least not as fresh, right? If nothing else, the logistics will bring it. Yeah, yeah. So let me, let me ask you one question because we have, we have a lot of good recipes to show to our viewers today and I think they are going to enjoy just even the pictures. Um, your, the cookies, 170 recipes, right? Yes. And they focus on, um, gluten-free and grain-free. Yes. So tell me a little bit more about that. Why, why did you go that route? Because you can do farm to table and just not need to do gluten-free. Yes. So after I graduated culinary school, I was probably the unhealthiest I had ever been. I was definitely the heaviest I had ever been, but my skin was a complete disaster. Um, I just had this really painful cystic acne and I've always struggled with, with acne and, and so, you know, not only was I wanting to lose the weight that I get in culinary school, I just wanted to look better and feel better. And I just said, you know, I have to figure this out. And so I just started doing a ton of research and I, um, I found a book called The Paleo Solution and which talks a lot about ancestral health and eliminating, um, a lot of these, uh, you know, eliminating things like gluten from your diet, trying to get back to the way we ate before the development of agriculture. And so I started doing that and it just completely changed my life. Not only did I lose all the weight and more, um, that I gained in culinary school, but I, my skin looked better than it ever has. Um, I just felt so much better. I, I really thought that, you know, bloating and gas and those sorts of things were just normal. And, and, you know, once I just eliminated certain things from my diet, I, I didn't have those things. I just felt amazing. And, and, and so did my husband. And, and, um, so we just, what's so, so excited is also it's, it goes inside, right? Um, so are you an advocate for gluten free for everybody or, or it's only for people who know, you know, I'm, I'm kind of like, you know, you just really have to find something that works for you. You have to find a diet that makes you feel good. Um, but if I were, and I'm going to help expert, but if, but I've done so much research and I pay attention and I follow the experts that have real, uh, you know, that, that, that can refer to for, you know, professional journals and science and research that say that, you know what, three things that you can eliminate from your diet that will make you healthier is one of those things is gluten.   I was like, you mean I could never eat cereal again or pasta or all those things. But now we have so many amazing alternatives for, we don't need to eat white flour. We can eat, you know, almond flour and coconut flour and cassava flour and there's so many other flours that are just healthier for you. And I think now the research shows that, you know, gluten does cause a lot of inflammation in your gut. And if you, you read about gut health, you'll find that, you know, it causes, it does cause a lot of inflammation in your gut and in your organs. And it's just not all that healthy for you. And there's just so many other healthier things. Yeah, if nothing else, um, educate yourself, right. And, and I would love, um, if you can, I guess we're going to show pictures of your recipes. So, um, people can do that. But, uh, it's like, I'm thinking of, of, um, my niece, right, who goes to, uh, the university and she starts cooking by herself. Um, what would you recommend for someone who starts cooking and see that saying, um, how, how do you choose the healthiest alternatives or, uh, for people who are initiating into, into cooking? You know, um, I, I think it's very, very simple. And, you know, whenever I'm, um, putting together a plate of food, whether it's for me or for my, my little girls, it's okay. 50% of the plate is going to be fruits and vegetables. And then 25% is going to be some sort of healthy protein, some sort of meat or fish. And then the other 25% is going to be some sort of healthy fat, like nut butters or avocado or nuts. Yeah. Avocado, you're speaking my language now. I'm liking everything you're saying. Basically, it doesn't have to be obsessive of waiting and everything you eat. It's just look at your plate and a little bit of portion-wise, right? Yeah. Yes. And so that's, that's how I always, you know, whenever I'm cooking, whenever I'm eating or shopping or things I'm focusing on. I, I like, I don't know if you agree with this, but I like to make my plate look pretty. I don't know if this is something that you good suggest to, or is that something like, at least if it's look pretty and appetizing, it seems like it fits, but it fits you more. Definitely. And I can, I can help you or anyone with that. I love who's styling. I'll let you, I'll let you cook for me anytime you want. I'll thank you all for that. So of those 170 recipes, could you pick one or two that are your favorite or your full two meals that you usually or that you would recommend? Yes. I always tell people to my, the two that are sticking out in my head are the blue cheese stuff dates with brown butter and lime zest. And I think we have the picture there. Yeah. Okay. I love, you know, it's just blue cheese inside of the dates and you just roll it around in some butter and, and you cook it so that the butter browns and, and if you've never had brown butter, it looks, it smells amazing, but it tastes amazing. And then with some lime zest on that, it's just so simple, but it's, it's like the perfect bite of food that you'll ever have.  The most amazing bite of food I've ever had in my entire life. So that's something that I make whenever I have people over that's, that's what I'll make it just a little appetizer. I'll make that, you know, you're going to blow them away. Yes. And then my other favorite recipe is my roasted chicken with tarragon cream sauce, and it's just a whole chicken and you just rub it down with butter and garlic and, and fresh herbs. And then after it's done cooking, you finish it off with a little bit of cream and fresh tarragon. And it is just, it is just one of those things that This is how you're, how you're describing it. I think I can already sense how much you like it and how much you're, you're passionate about it. Let's, let's do a little break here and I will, we'll be right back. Just one minute and we'll be back with Rina Thoma. Thank you for joining us. Welcome back to our show, staying young at heart. We are joined today by Rina Thoma, a cook and the best selling author of a farm to table book, poosals and fish. And we were talking before the break, Rina, about your favorite recipes. I wanted to follow up on that. Is there any Hawaii local bees that you found that you're like, okay, this one, they nail it, or it has all the ingredients and all the one that really, you would be happy to join in the recipes of your book. Okay, so like a recipe that's not in my cookbook, but That is Hawaiian. So something local from Hawaii. Okay, so at Miraments, which is right down the street, Peter Mirament, I have his cookbook and his restaurant is very farm to table. He has this dish.  I have, yes. He does like an escargot with taco, which is like squid. And it's, I believe it is fish chair locally. And it's amazing. So he's taking his, Okay, hold on, escargot are like snails. Yes. So it's, but these snails are peaking the ocean, because snails are not usually, unfortunately, I learned this when I was a kid. They are not peaking the ocean. Correct. They come from gardens. Yeah. And so he gets this taco, which is like squid. So he puts that in like the escargot dish with water and the garlic and the herbs and brings it out and he makes this like amazing, like house made bread and you just put it on there and you, and it is, it is delicious. Yeah. Although I'm not sure that it's very Hawaiian, right? Like, okay. Locomoco. But yeah, but I, yeah, that, that, that will pass as Hawaiian because it's cooked here, right? Yes. Yes. And you know, he's using local ingredient too. So, okay. So can I answer your question or did you want a more? That one is, that one is good enough. But anything, any other thing from Hawaii that you find more appealing that you think, you've explored so much writing and so many cuisines around the world. Is there anything in Hawaii that you like, this is better here than anywhere else? Okay. I really, yes. I really, really, when I came back to Hawaii, that was the first thing I had to have. I missed it. Nobody, it just doesn't, it doesn't taste as good anywhere else than here. I love, love, love, love the poke. So I, I eat that all the time. I really enjoy that. You know, I love a Locomoco every once in a while. Why not, right? Yeah. Locomoco like they do it in Hawaii. They probably don't do it.  And tell me, tell me a little bit about the concept of an army wife. My husband and I have been together for 20 years. We met when I was 20 years old. He was in the army. He was in medical school. And we, you know, I have just been following him around the world. We are both from Pennsylvania. We moved out here to Hawaii. That's where he did residency. We lived in San Francisco. We lived in Germany. We lived in Seoul, South Korea for a year and now back here in Hawaii. And, you know, it's, it's not easy being an army wife or military wife. You, you move around a lot and really don't have an opportunity to really create anything of your own to stay in one place or one job for, for a long time to be able to recline a corporate ladder.  And I congratulate you for that. Yeah, just to play the voice advocate here.  And, and I'm sure your husband is amazing. So I don't want to, but, you know, you know, a lot of army wives have a really, really hard time. And I have definitely, my identity has always been my husband. And I've always been, you know, you know, the hardest question for me to answer was people would always be like, well, what do you do? What do you do? And I was always really hard for me. And, and I would just, well, just make them those dates with ruchis and they will know. I just, you know, would say I support my husband. And right now I'm working here and but we're moving and, you know, it's a team, right? Yours is a team. It's not an individual sport. Yes. And so, you know, this, this cookbook really gave me a new identity, which is one of the things that I'm so grateful for. And it's been, you know, one of the greatest gifts that I received since I, since I started working on this cookbook. So of all those places that you've been to, which one is your favorite as far as we've seen? And you've been to Spain, so don't disappoint. Well, I do have to say that St. Sebastian was my best food trip that I've ever had. Oh my goodness. It was, I mean, the food is unlike anything anywhere else. It is, it is only something that people would have to experience to understand. Those, those pinchos and yeah, there's something on that piece. Yeah. Now you were talking about your, you were talking about the chicken before I can talk about that siebas and, and the cocochas. Did you try the cocochas? Is that, is like the second scene of the siebas or the cod? I have an amazing itinerary and I went to like all the main, the major places of where to go in and there was probably like 10, 12 different places that we went in over the weekend. And you just go from place to place to place and have a couple of things here and a couple of things there. And the ingredients, the quality of the ingredients are like anything I've ever had.  So it, you know, it really does start with the markets and the quality of the ingredients and, and the access to the ingredients that they have there. It's really amazing. So if you, if you could choose the place to live, which one would it be? You know, it just, it changes. Sometimes I, you know, my husband, I mean, he loves to ski and he loves, he loves the food in France and he loves the mountains in France and Mount Bloch and Chamonix and you know, all that.  And, you know, I go back and forth between Italy and, and France. And yeah. Do you think is, are there any plans to maybe move back again? Yes, yes. You know, we are, you know, within the year we are moving back to the East Coast and we're so excited to get back to the East Coast and then just be so much closer to Europe because we want to, we really want to show our girls Europe and take them there as, you know, and spend a lot of time traveling in Europe as a family. Yeah. It's definitely really far from here. It's not. It is so far. Yeah. Yeah. It takes a while. How do you see or what are your plans for the next five years? Or how do you see writing another book or what do you think your plans will be? Yes. I, you know, I think it would be so lovely to write another book and this time it'd be about me and my life and my childhood, the food of my childhood. I am Italian. I grew up in a very Italian household and I really want to dig into, to Italian food and explore that cuisine a little bit more and, and recreate the dishes of my childhood and recreate dishes that, you know, that, that I love now as an adult and having been now all over Italy and having all these amazing Italian cookbooks. And so, so yeah, I would love to do a cookbook inspired by my life and, and Italian cuisine and also food that really defines me as a person, which is, you know, so many different things. I've been so many different places and have experienced so many different amazing cuisines.  And, you know, I, I just, I collected beautiful dishes all over Europe and at flea markets and, and you'll see them in my book. And I love looking at them. I think they're so beautiful. And I just, I would love little girls to have, you know, those types of options. So are your kids into cooking with you or do they like your food? What do they say? Sophia is three and a half and she loves everything that I cook. She, and she wants to be in the kitchen with me and wants to do everything. But she makes a huge mess. And so dangerous for her, but I'll, you know, she wants to always stir the pot.  And that was one of the reasons why I decided to do it or finish it, because I wasn't sure if I was going to actually finish the book. I, you know, was having work. Yeah. And I, you know, I just didn't know if I, if I wanted to sacrifice what I knew, I would have to sacrifice to finish it. But so, but I said, you know what, I want my girls to be a part of this. I want them to, I want them to be in this world of food and culture. And I'm sure just by looking at you, they are learning. So just to wrap it up, Rina, if they, if someone wants to see your book or see your work, so we send them to your website or what last words they, you want to share with our viewers today? Yes. If you're, yes, you can absolutely go to my website ladochirina.com. And you can read more about me there. I have tons of free content on my website, all, all sorts of recipes on there that you can print out. You can also look at the full book and you can, there's a link there that will take you straight to Amazon.com. You can buy my heart cover book. My ebook is available as well.  And it's, it's not about me, it's about my experiences and all of this beautiful food that I have been so blessed to have experience. And I just want other people to experience it as well. And I hope that I'm able to inspire people to, you know, just transform real food ingredients into healthy, delicious food. So thank you very much, Rina. You're in inspiration. I think, I think just by your words and how you're expressing yourself, we can see your love and just trying to make a difference. So, and I, I can tell everybody, if you go to the ladolcherina.com, you're going to get hungry. Those recipes look amazing. Thank you very much. We would love to, we would love to have everybody back at staying young at heart. Thank you, Rina, for joining us one more time. And happy Aloha Tuesday, everybody. Thank you. Bye. Thank you.


From Orlando, Florida, it's theCUBE. Covering Accelerate 19, brought to you by Fortinet. Welcome back to theCUBE's coverage of Fortinet Accelerate 2019 live from Orlando, Florida. I'm Lisa Martin with Peter Burris and we're welcoming to theCUBE for the first time, Jeff Foley, Senior Business Development Manager from Siemens. Jeff, thanks for joining Peter and me today. Thanks for having me, I appreciate it. So everybody knows Siemens in some form or fashion or capacity. Here we are at a cybersecurity event. Talk to us a little bit about what Siemens and Fortinet are doing together as partners and a little bit about your role in BizDev. Sure. So the organization, the part of Siemens that I'm part of is more of a digital industries. So what we do is a lot of in the operational technology environment area. So it's more of the harsh environments, oil and gas, waste water, rail transportation. So we do a lot of the communication and the cybersecurity around that. We were working with Fortinet in order to bring the best of the IT practices in cybersecurity into that OT environment. So we're doing a collaboration between the two because there's that communication that needs to happen. They still need that access point into that OT environment. Now explain why? Because IT guys have grown up presuming that everything was going to be connected and a lot of business leaders presumed that everything's going to be connected. The OT guys have had to work in a very, very different world where they've had to do real time work sometimes for 30 years. So take us a little bit through that dynamic and why is it that today we actually can start having conversations about how these two things come together, work together and generate value together? Sure. So typically from an operational technology environment when they put something together that's normally for a 20 or 30 year span they want to put something in the network or in the environment that's going to last, that's going to be out there. It's not, they don't change it, they don't upgrade it normally as they do in an IT environment which typically has like a five year life cycle. So in that OT environment what's happening no as times are changing and all these cyber attacks are happening they're being mandated to do this. A good example is in 2005 President Obama signed into a legislative order that we must in the US secure a critical infrastructure and part of that securing that is saying we're going to make sure that we're not going to be hacked because in the utility market if we take down four of the major interconnects between the power grid then it's stated that US would become a third world country in eight days. So what we're doing is- Let's not do that. No, we're trying to help prevent that. So by doing so we need to add security and historically from an OT environment it's always been about there's not been remote access there's not been that connectivity it's always been about electrical and mechanical devices but now as these devices are getting smarter they're getting more intelligent there's more information you're getting out of it you get more efficiency and more information out of it so you can do your job better. You can do remote access and like in Florida here we have a bunch of hurricanes. There's the ability to say after a hurricane I can get remote access or I can do that communication out to these devices where you wouldn't be able to do periodically in the past. So because of that connectivity we need to start securing our infrastructure to make sure that as we get access to that there's potential that the bad guys you get access to those devices too. So we're working with our product portfolio and partners like Fortinet in order to make sure that we're applying the best of the IT security in the OT world. So in this convergence you're talking probably with folks who are not used to change. Change is hard for everybody however as you said in back in 2005 this became a presidential mandate. But also it's- I think it was 2015 wasn't it? 2005 Obama signed into he wasn't president till 2000. I'm sorry yeah 15. Thank you for the math help. You should have been missing one. Yeah just a few years ago. And the math expert. So just a few years ago there was this mandate from President Obama which we clarified was only four years ago. So but historically folks that are not used to having to change systems so quickly yet here's this mandate. There's also this increasing abundance of cyber attacks. How do you have those I presume difficult conversations with the OT side about the opportunity for OT, IT, convergence and the benefits and why they have to get on board with this? So historically from the OT side they've been very reluctant to do something like this. They want to own their own environment. They want to do that. And it's always been the perception that if you bring that cybersecurity of the IT world into that OT environment it's going to hinder their operations. But that's not really the case. The convergence of IT and OT has been happening for decades now. I started my job with Siemens in 2000 in the telecom world. And when we were doing that convergence of IT and OT back in 2000 when we were doing voice over IP. Because that was happening back then. So this convergence of IT and OT is an ongoing thing. It's just in different markets or different industries. So now that we're doing that, we're bringing it in there. They're starting to have that conversation but then it becomes it's really who owns that the operation or who owns that security. OT still wants to drive their own. They want to own their own. Where IT is saying, look, we have the knowledge, we have the experience. Let's help you get there. So there's generally a demarcation point that they've come to an agreement on where IT will say, we're going to help you to this point. And then you can own all the critical assets out on the far end. So let's talk about that demarcation point. What constitutes, what characterizes that demarcation point? What are, where are we today? Because we're moving from hardwired, 30 year footprint to increasingly wireless, faster. We're moving towards that but we're, how far are we when you're talking to customers? What is, what are the attributes of that demarcation point? It's interesting because we still, that goes everything we saw of customers that are on dial-up communication, serial communication, Ethernet, fiber, wireless, LTE. So there's a broad range of that, what we call the pipe. So no, the pipe is the communication just between the IT side down to the OT side. So it really helps to find that demarcation is when you get down to what are the critical assets? What's really the operation or what's making money for that company? And those are the assets which really the operational organizations own. And then the IT side really provides that communication down to that point. Got it. So it's really business specific. But are we starting to see, are we starting to see, well, it's got a little bit more processing power or it's got a little bit more, there's these security attributes that are associated with it. Are OT guys picking up on IT related security, there's certain elements of it faster than others? They are. And it really, it's region and it's industry specific. And it's really what's driving it. So like in the US, like I mentioned, the utility sector. The utility sector has requirements called NARC SIP. And these NARC SIP requirements said you must do these things. And they get very specific to the point of, you must have something that will detect antivirus or malware, you must do this. If you look into Canada, Canada just recently passed OEB requirements for Ontario. And those are based upon framework, cybersecurity framework to do that. So it's really the industry that they're in and the region that they're in as to what's really driving that or how deep and far they're going to go. And it goes back to your original point that it's being driven by regulatory edict or past exposure and trying to make sure it doesn't happen again. They don't want to make the news and they don't want to be pushed by the government but those are really the two things in the operational technology or environment that's really driving for that cyber. So can you share one of your favorite success stories that really highlights the opportunities that OT and IT convergence have enabled for customers of 49 and Siemens? Oh yeah, there's a, and again, because I'm global experienced I've got around the world but actually one of the favorites is actually there's two of them that have happened just here in North America. One is in Texas and one is in Canada and both of these requirements came to say that they had a specific date that they needed to make requirements to meet the regulatory otherwise that they were going to get fined. And they came to us and both of them were pretty last minute. So what we were able to do is to say, look, we have this platform that's rated for harsh environments that's no into your networking that provides that communication. So then what we can do is we can work with our IT partners put that application on that OT environment and then install and get it certified for your application. So there was two of them, like I said, one in the US and one in Canada which we made the deadlines where they came back and said, thank you very much and they're very appreciative of that. And how quickly were you able to get this up in earnings that they didn't miss the deadline and were able to certain gleaning value from this? I just did a write up on one of them. We got a phone call on a Friday that they needed to provide a solution. So we worked over the weekend and on Monday, we proposed that solution. So once you do that, no, obviously they need to go through their value chain to get the sign off and we have to go through our process. But it was within 30 days, we were able to install it, make their deadline and make sure that they were compliant. That's a pretty good marketing message to deliver that. You guys could enable such a big convergence in a month's period. In a 30 day period, yeah. Pretty impressive. That was one thing that I think we all worked out there was a deadline, we all worked towards that. It was a trusted partner thing. The customer came to us, they were asking for some stuff, they trusted us to do that. So like I said, we worked over the weekend to help them do that. We felt we had the right solution to address their requirements. And at the end of the day we were able to meet that 30 day deadline. But the trust is not just with you. It's not just with Siemens. It's with an expanding array of companies that Siemens is working with. That's correct. What is it like working with a company like Fortinet to try to ensure that these new domains that are characterized by enormous uncertainty, technological, operational, organizational are not undermined by challenges of crafting that solution together in such ways it can be implemented quickly and with a high degree of facility. I think it's a great opportunity for Siemens and Fortinet to be working together only from the fact of Fortinet has got the history, they've got the technology, they've got the name in their market space and they've got the capability to deliver that. Siemens and if you look from our customer space in our environment, no, we are very well developed and well entrenched in our customers. So to be able to bring the technology and the experience and the know-how and bring those IT cybersecurity requirements which are now being pushed down into the OT environment in no amount of time. It's not, there's no development needed, there's no additional stuff. Fortinet already has that knowledge from the IT space. So to bring that into the OT environment is very beneficial I think to both of us in order to help drive their customer opportunities in our market. And they talked a lot this morning during the keynote about where they are from a competitive leadership perspective. That was peppered a lot throughout the first at least 90 minutes of the keynote. But presumably obviously everybody has choice, everybody likes choice, Siemens has choice there. I'm just curious to get your take on some of the announcements that came out today from Fortinet. Does that excite Siemens, were you involved in that in terms of being able to take the next set of customers who have the same challenge that you described with the Texas Space and Canada-based customers and show them we can help you together, Siemens and Fortinet, transform in 30 days? I think it's very exciting with Fortinet's doing in the new capabilities and functionality that they're coming out with. I think that's really going to be able to enhance our offering because it's really a differentiator for us. If you look at us from the operational technology side, there's not a lot of people out there that can actually do what Fortinet's able to bring to the table. So all these additional features and functionalities that is coming out by Fortinet to be able to put it onto our platform and our environment and to be able to offer that in the operational technology side, it's I think it's a big differentiator from our competitors for both Fortinet and for Siemens to be able to jointly provide this offering to our customers. Can I just one question about your competition? A lot of companies like Siemens, especially that are especially strong in the OT space, not just your customers, but suppliers like yourselves have also struggled a bit as they try to find, as they try to navigate that way forward to convergence of IT and OT and appropriate convergence of IT and OT. What is it about Siemens that has allowed you to not stub your toe or cut off your leg like some of the competitors? I believe that's because we've had a long history in both the IT and the OT space. If you look at the vertical or the digital industries that we're in right now, it's been very much OT centric for the last 25, 30 years. But we have Siemens is 379,000 people worldwide strong. We're very embracing the newer technology and the newer capabilities. Myself starting with Siemens 20 years ago with an IT background, being able to bring that knowledge to that ability and doing that convergence of the IT and OT within Siemens for so long. I think we understand our customers and we've been listening to them and then we're partnering up with companies like Fortinet helps us bring that technology and that capability to our customers. So that expertise, that partnership, what's your recommendation as we wrap things up here for customers who are at the precipice of being able to understand why IT and OT need to converge? What's your recommendation for them to tackle this challenge successfully? I think the best advice I could have is let's sit down and have that conversation. Let's see what the requirements are. Let's see what they're trying to accomplish because I believe with the solutions that Siemens has between the communication, the network and the security and then the technology and the capabilities that Fortinet's bring to that table, we can help design a customized solution for their environment in order to make sure that they can address their cybersecurity needs. And do so quickly. Well, Jeff, thank you so much for joining Peter and me on theCUBE this afternoon. We appreciate your time. Thank you for having me. For Peter Burris, I'm Lisa Martin. You're watching theCUBE.


This is State Tech Hawaii, Community Matters here. Aloha! How are you doing? Gordo the Tech Star here. Welcome to another exciting and thrilling episode of Ibachi Talk. This is going to be fun today. We're going to talk about Bitcoin mining in more detail than you could possibly want, but we're going to make it so that actually you can actually understand it and not open up your own mining farm unless you've got a lot of boatload of money. Anyway, I got Andrew, the security guy with me. He's not feeling well. He's a little under the weather. Too much, too much, too much time. And I got JD, Jay Maurice, but I also actually call him JD because we go back since your first birthday. We've known you for long.  I watched you grow up through this whole industry. We'll talk about what you've done and we'll talk about what's happening in the Bitcoin mining space because you've been there, done that. So we're going to hear from someone who's been there first day. So grab a libation, pull up a chair, sit down. We're going to talk about Bitcoin mining past, present, and future. Oh, and happy new year, everybody. That's right, happy new year. Have a great new year. Nice to see you. JD flew all the way in from Japan just to be on this show. That's true. True. So hang on.  I'm from Honolulu. So you grew up in Honolulu. And my family, you were the president of the board of the condominium that we lived in. That's right. So my family and you go way back. Yes. And I've been told you attended my first birthday party. I did. I attended your first.  I hope you still have it. Yeah, yeah, John Young. I got a lot of John Youngs actually. Yeah, that's awesome, awesome. So he's a rested soul, was a great artist here in Hawaii. For sure. And your mom, a special lady too. Unfortunately, she's not. Well, she's watching down on us right now. I'm sure she is. Yeah, so cool guy. But you've always been in tech. I've always been in tech. I started, I'd say I dropped out of school at 14 to work at a internet startup downtown. And what was that startup? That was called Pacific Interactive at the time. But then it was known as Systematrix later on. Yeah, so Earl Ford. Earl told you to drop out of school. Don't do the head shake in the eye flash. Wow. We love Earl, but I mean, jeez, 14 years. He gave me my first job. Were you like an intern? I was an intern at 14 at Systematrix. At 14. That's awesome. Yeah. At 14. You were in Pacific Business News at one time, if I recall.  Which is DR Fortress Resurrected. Yes, Pihana Pacific, then Equinix, then DR Fortress, yeah. So we're talking to this young man. This young man has grown up in this industry here. Sounds like true. And then I moved to Tokyo when I was 20 years old. And I think I had something to do with that. Yeah. Yeah, I think you did. Actually, that house party. That house party. Yeah. What happened? You got even trouble? We had a little house party, and he got introduced to a number of ladies from Japan. Oh, I see. So he chased some interests. And now you speak and write Japanese fluently. Well, I've lived in Tokyo for about 12 years. And I had a lot of time to pick it up. And also been on the countryside recently, so. When you moved there, you just fell in love with the culture, the. Yeah, I mean Tokyo is such a great city. And it's like the biggest metropolitan area in the whole world. And they have everything. They have huge companies and international business, everything, the culture, everything, the language. Everyone's so polite like Hawaii, but it's on a much larger scale. Yeah, I always felt when you moved there that that was going to be your spot. And so, and I met your fiance the other day there, lovely young lady. So that's congratulations on that. So, tremendous future ahead of you.  Yeah. So, and you were actually, you know, when I was, became the director of IT for the city and county of Honolulu. I had the swearing in ceremonies. I remember that. JD showed up. Right, of course, I was there. He couldn't believe he actually made it. Yeah, he couldn't either. He wasn't sure if he was really seeing what was going on. But he was, I have a picture of him in the movie and the whole gang. That's right. It's great to have you there. So, so let's kind of jump now into the, into the tech side. So, you know, you've been in tech, you built servers for him. So what did you do in Japan? We're going to do they keep that short because I want to talk about Bitcoin mining. So when I first got to Tokyo, I opened up my little consulting office and I had some consulting customers in Hawaii, but I didn't really know the Japanese language or the culture. It wasn't connected to anyone. And so I got a job at a Norwegian software company called Opera Software. Oh, very famous. Yeah, making web browsers. And I worked with all their Japanese customers. So every Japanese TV, we worked with like Nintendo Wii, Panasonic Blu-ray players, all these random Japanese devices, we would make the web browsers. They wrote the opera software that was the web browsers for all of those. Yeah, they made the software, they made the browser in Norway. We would port it to their, you know, proprietary CPUs. Oh, their chip, okay. Yeah. And we would deliver the browser to their customers in Japan and did that for a few years. Okay. So you did that for a few years and let's just fast forward in the when did you first start getting involved in Bitcoin and cryptocurrency? I guess about five or six years ago during the Mt. Cox days. Mt. Cox was a big one, right? They went belly up. Yeah. Yeah. I got my first Bitcoin at about $8, but I didn't get into it more serious until $8. Yeah. So I started getting into more serious when it was around $100. Me and a few friends, at the time Mt. Cox was, well, they had some issues to say the least, and you couldn't withdraw, you couldn't deposit money to them very quickly for a number of reasons unless you had a Japanese bank account because they were based in Tokyo. Okay. So I was able to get funds into Mt. Cox very quickly, purchase Bitcoins, and basically do some arbitrage trading. This is when Bitcoin was around $100. Yeah. And we kept doing that a few times. We would make 10, 20, 30% a week just doing arbitrage, arbitrage. Wow. Until the music stopped and Mt. Cox just kind of shut down. He went belly up. Yeah. So everyone... What happened to Bitcoin? What happened to it? What did it drop to? I mean, it spiked up to about $1,200. That was the peak of that bubble. And then when Mt. Cox crashed, it just crashed all the way back down to a couple hundred bucks. That can be easier. It was a couple hundred bucks. Yeah. So it wasn't dead, but... Right. But all of our Bitcoins were in Mt. Cox. That was the problem. And the problem is they couldn't get them out. Yeah. Well, they were already gone. Yeah. So they had taken them away. Yeah. Yeah. No insurance behind the Bitcoin. It didn't help solidify that as a particular form of fiat-like currency. And also, there was the... I think there was that in the broader industry, there was a lot of illicit things going on at Mt. Cox that they were selling, right? So everybody thought, well, that's what that's all about. Like, you know, the broader... Yeah. Those days of Bitcoin... People that didn't know, didn't know... Spice Road and all those days are gone. Right. Silk Road, yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. Silk Road. Well, I think the dark net markets are stronger than ever, actually. Mm-hmm.  Smaller ones have showed up. Yeah. And I think that market is probably doing just bigger. I'd say it's doing fine in ransomware. It isn't at space. So then, when did you get into the... Because you were an early miner of Bitcoin. Oh. No, Ethereum. Well, I started just as a hobby with Bitcoin. Okay. And the first serious mining farm I did was Ethereum. Ethereum. So we have a... I'll show you a picture of you and your mining farm when you were mining Ethereum. That will be one of the first ones. So there you are. Yeah. And where is that? So I built this farm in Compton, Los Angeles. Oh, another high district area. Yeah. We leased the dirtiest warehouse we could find, but it had a lot of electrical capacity. Okay. Wow. And me and a bunch of guys, we built about 100 or so GPU mining rigs. Okay. And it was really cool because with this farm, we kind of started Ethereum Classic. When Ethereum... Okay. Yeah. There was a smart contract called the Dow. Right. This was about a year or so ago. The Dow got hacked and Ethereum wanted to change the entire consensus rules of the system to basically refund the investors in the Dow. Okay. And... This is not the Dow as in the... The DAO. DAO, right. Yeah, DAO. And I said that goes against everything that cryptocurrencies were invented to fix. You can't reverse transactions in cryptocurrency. You can't just do a chargeback. You might as well just run a bank if you're going to do a chargeback. Right. Or do a bailout. So, I set all my miners to mine on the old consensus rules, which said that, yeah, you can't reverse the Dow's transactions. And that blockchain became known as Ethereum Classic. Okay. So, for a brief time, for about three days, I was the only mining farm mining Ethereum Classic. So I mined about 26,000 Ethereum Classic in three days. Wow. And then the first exchange, Polenix, started trading at like $1, $2 each. Right. Now I think it's about $35. Yeah, it's about $35 for that. So you did this, but what happened to that? We're going into too much detail. What happened to that mining farm that Ethereum mining farm? Well, let's just say we had some internal disputes and attorneys were involved. Okay. And we're leaving it at that. We're leaving it at that. And we're leaving it at that. So that was your first venture into this. So you got to know it and understand it. That was the first serious mining farm. I made a lot of mistakes, some with people, some with technology, some with trading, but I learned the industry. That's right. We learned by trial and error, not by trial and error. And your entire life has been a trial and error. I heard you say GPU. So we're using like NVIDIA. So were you, because they were early into GPU and GPU huge now with the new Titan and all that stuff. Yeah, they actually make GPUs specialized for mining right now. Okay. We were using totally off-the-shelf parts. Yeah. And it was just, a mining rig is basically a computer with several power supplies and lots of GPUs just running this mining software. Wow. And you just build a lot of these and you put them in a warehouse and you put lots of electricity into it and you overclock everything with custom BIOS ROM hacks. Wow. Crank it up. Yeah, sometimes fires break out. Yeah, I'm worried about that. And then the largest miners right now, so we'll go back to Bitcoin from a Bitcoin perspective. The Linus miners are rare. Can we hear about a bunch of places? Yeah, the Bitcoin mining is all centralized in China right now. Okay. Actually, one big mining company called Bitmain, they make these ant miners. Yes. They control the majority of the hash power in Bitcoin right now. And they mine almost half of the Bitcoins right now. Wow. And they're located in China. Yes. So I heard there's Bitcoin farms in Iceland. Yeah. There's many farms there because they have geothermal power. Okay. And it's very cold there. And so it makes sense to get cheap electricity and good cooling. There's a lot of space there. It's a good place to do it. That's how I originally started thinking about how to do mining is to get the electricity really low and the cooling and everything. And I realized that if your strategy and business sense with mining is correct, actually the electrical bill can be an insignificant part of the business. Okay, so cool. So we're actually, believe it or not, we're coming up on the break. Sure. And then what we're doing is we're going to come back and we'll talk about how much money you can make in Bitcoin mining or not. And then what you're doing going forward in this because you're starting a whole new project in this space. That's true. That's going to be awesome. Awesome. This has a sign he found during Christmas. A treat? He wants to show it to everybody. Right on. So we'll do that. Anyway, Gordo the techs are here. Andrew the security guy. Jay Maurice the Wiz is here. We're talking about cryptocurrencies Bitcoin and the next wave of our lives. See you in a minute. Game plans are made with responsibility in mind. Celebrations are underway. Ready for kickoff. MLS clubs and our supporters rise to the challenge. We make responsible decisions while we cheer on our heroes and toast their success. Elevate your match day experience. If you drink, never drive. History. Please join us. Hey, everybody. Welcome back to think tech studios. This is a boxy talk. We're talking Bitcoin. We're talking cryptocurrency. We're talking mining. And right now we're talking to Angus Angus. What's up, buddy? Good brother. Awesome. I got a little bit closer to my father. You do? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's nice to meet you. You're like my brother. You know, it's one thing to watch you on TV. It's another thing to be right next to, you know, right next to you. The famous guy. I can meet you. You feel the heat. To meet me in personless. Anyway, you know, Christmas has passed, but you know, the other day I was walking around during Christmas, and we always have a ghost, Mr. Rick Trejo, our Hispanic ghost, and I found this for him. So show you, we signed on this thing, you know, it's for lease, not me dad. I agree. I love, I love people have intuition and do all these great stuff. That's a nice interpretation. It's a nice, it's New Year coming up. Yeah, Hogman A as we call it in Scotland. So you don't get to get black coal to you on Hogman A, so make sure you enjoy it. So as I say at the end of your segment, let your wing gain free. Where are you be? Aloha. Give me some more Bitcoin. Wow. Thanks Angus for that. For lease, Navidad. You get that? That's pretty, pretty sweet. So let's get into some. Let's get into some paper tech. Tell me, I want to know about the future so I don't want to put my money. So you obviously built the Ethereum mining farm in anticipation of making some good money. We did. And okay, glad to hear that. That's supposed to happen. And then so now you're getting back into this, but why would you get back into it when you've got like the big players like China and those players and such like that? There's, you know, Bitcoin is so huge. There's plenty of room even for small fish. Okay. You know, I'm kind of moving into Bitcoin mining now. Okay.  These are very different from the GPU mining rigs that I have. These are the new ones? Well, Bitcoin has been only ASIC mine for a long time now. But the newest, newest ASIC miners, you know, I'm placing order for a few hundred. And they say the smallest order they have after me is, you know, in the thousands of mining rigs. So it's, we're out. We're very small fish, but it's still big for us, you know. Yeah, I wish I had a picture of a mining rig because, well, you had a photo, but unfortunately it didn't convert across. But essentially it looks like a generator with a computer on it.   And we put them all into this small warehouse and, you know, we connect a whole megawatt of electricity or more to run all of these miners and we blow a lot of air through it in the countryside, in the mountains. So your next one is, for security reasons, is your next one in this country or is it in another country? No, I'm mining in Japan now. Okay. And the electricity there is very expensive compared to USA where I was mining before. How's it compared to Hawaii? Hawaii is insanely expensive. It's like 36 cents a kilowatt hour here. Yeah. I mean, if you have the best miners and you have a very efficient setup, you could probably still do very, very well in Hawaii. But if you are starting out, you'd probably want to do it somewhere in the Nevada desert, you know. Yeah, where they've got solar and they've got ways. I mean, I was talking to some of our legislators just last week and they were saying they want to get involved in this, be able to enable this kind of thing to happen. And I like to look on your face right now and I went and they said, actually I was talking to the governor and he said, why can't this not happen? I said, two reasons. One is cost of electricity.  Well, it's just thinking. And that went face to face with the governor and I just said that. I was thinking HECO doesn't pay as much for their power as we pay for ours so maybe they could get in the money. Yeah, do you think they would? Yeah. Right. Think the PUC allowed that? Hey, the PUC just gave them an increase on us after doing all this solar stuff. Anyway, we digress. So come back to this. So now you're building or have built? We're building it now. Building it now. And we're probably going to start mining with our first farm in Japan in the next few months. And it's a one megawatt facility. Okay. And yeah, we just got the latest A6 and it's going to be awesome. So how many transactions can you say with a megawatt per hour? What do you project? So the way mining works is you're trying to solve the next block in the Bitcoin blockchain. Okay. And even with a huge one megawatt facility, I mean it's huge for us, we are only going to be able to solve a block maybe once every eight or 10 days after this thing is turned on. And you're going to get a small percentage of that, which will create another transaction that needs to be authenticated. Every block you solve in Bitcoin right now is 12 and a half Bitcoins for the block reward and maybe one or two Bitcoins for the transaction fees for all the transactions you include in that block. So you're looking at, let's say for the sake of argument, 14 Bitcoins. So 14, when you solve every time you solve one. And I'm going to sit here and do the math here while I'm sitting here. If you solve 14 every 10 days. 15,000 times 14 equals... What's the paper? Matt, did I just read that right? Yeah, if you solve one block in the Bitcoin blockchain, it's about a quarter million dollars right now. Yeah, $210,000. So what is your... How does it work? What are you looking at? Every 10 days, $210,000? Well, that's the thing, right? In the whole world, all the miners are trying to compete and they're coming out with new chips and the Bitcoin network readjusts the difficulty to make it harder to mine Bitcoin. So over time, the mining farm will mine less and less Bitcoin. Right. It's very competitive. Wow. So you've got to keep rolling out new versions of farms every...  After a year or two, you might want to rip out your old gear and put in the newest gear. What about the software behind doing the Bitcoin mining? I mean, can you improve that to make it more efficient? Not from a consumption standpoint, but from a speed standpoint on how that's been coded, because you've been coding for decades. Well, everyone uses mining pools and we run our own private mining pool. But the mining software and the mining pool software, it's all pretty much the same. It comes down to raw computational power. Okay, so let me ask you this question. So I don't have the money to build a farm and do all this kind of stuff. Is there a way that someone can invest into someone like yourself who is building these farms and then you're like a startup? So I think it's Shark Tank or something like that where I'm going to put some money into this and then you're going to not guarantee me, but say essentially you could possibly get this return. For sure. The way we structure the new business is we're kind of like a vendor. And if you have space and power and the logistics to do it, we will essentially build a farm for you and we just take a percentage of the audience. Oh, my house on the big island. That's not a bad deal. Which is freaking cold all the time. It ain't that cold. This is a lot of heat. This is a lot of heat. It might turn your place into a mall and mall cabin. I could put it in the garage, man. It's like the garage is always in the 60s. I don't think it's big enough. I mean, you usually want to do at least one megawatt to start. Yeah, well, I don't know how much power you got there. Yeah, Helco thinks a lot. I'd be really happy if what I'm spending a little bit of it.  I would have no power forever. Yeah, so in Hawaii, it's kind of tough, but there are many places in the world where it just makes up. So legislators, can I just insert my little comment? Hawaii is kind of tough. Again, once again, you shut down Coinbase here.  You make it real difficult for me to start up my ATM for Bitcoin purchasing. And now you've got an electricity bill that's, you know, off the scale and you said, oh, we want to bring Amazon here or we want to bring someone still here. Yeah, right. I just don't dream anymore. I'm going to compete. What's the future look like? I mean, so where's this going?  Using Bitcoin to pay for it. But I mean, yeah. I mean, the future of Bitcoin, it's the new global financial system. Yeah. You know, we're talking about disrupting banks and government and this is going to change the world more than the internet has, right? It seems to be as quickly as anything I've ever seen. In our lifetime, you know, the internet has only had a few apps that really took on and they're mostly just communication or sharing some data. This is money. This is the internet of money. Yeah. And it's going to disrupt everything. Yeah. It's going to change the world. It's the biggest transfer of wealth in our lifetime. That's true. So think about it, the biggest transfer of wealth in our lifetime and governments think they're going to shut it down. Yeah. Well, how many, I mean... You know what? I can ignore the government when it comes to this. What's the market cat for to just augment it? On Bitcoin today, it's $260 billion today. $260 billion today. So what was it four years ago? What was it last year? Oh, it was like... Half of that last year? No, not even that way last. And we haven't started using it to buy things yet, which we can, though. A lot of us are holding it. Right. Right now, Bitcoin is really good at a store of value. Yes. And next, you're going to see the Layer 2 payment networks coming online. This is the Lightning network and all these payment channel things where it's going to be almost free to do transactions. And then not only will Bitcoin have the store of value, really solid, but it has the medium of exchange function of money. So here's the dilemma we have, and we're going to watch it unfold over the next number of years. I'm sitting on a US dollar that's worth so much, but it doesn't fluctuate in value like Bitcoin does. Sure. So I can go buy my Starbucks with it and so on. I'm sitting on a Bitcoin right now that can go from $20,000 like it was seven days ago to $13,000, which it was seven days later. So do I sit, hold on it, whatever? So I'm not... Personally, I'm not using it to buy anything yet. At what point do you think people start using it to buy things? Well, we used Bitcoin for years to buy a coffee at the cafe and whatnot. That's true. You gave me my first Bitcoin to buy Starbucks. I didn't even want to think of what I paid for that Starbucks. Yeah, that was inexpensive. In today's terms, yeah. But he's from the mining perspective, I love how they're making new Bitcoin. They're creating new Bitcoin by solving it. Right. Because until Bitcoin reaches a certain critical mass of mainstream adoption, the network collectively rewards the miners for providing that security, for running these big data centers of miners. And at a certain point, the block reward will get smaller and smaller, and the transaction fees will get bigger and bigger. And at that point, the miners will just be purely compensated on transaction fees alone. I see. That should not come close to the transaction fee on a credit card. But I'm saying but it's still... I hope not. Speculative now to be building mining. Silly jar, because you're betting on going to still make a bit more coin. I think it's going to make... You're going to be able to mine Bitcoin for years and years. Oh, so you're talking about maybe a decade or four. It's going to be a while before it comes down to... I mean, when Bitcoin is $100,000, or when Bitcoin is $1 million, when more and more people join the system, even if you can only mine a tiny fraction of a Bitcoin, it's going to be worth so much. And there's a finite number, 21 million, when the final number is worth $16 million. 21 million is going to be the cap on the books. The cap. So we can't print more coins. We can't print more money. Did they print coins? Actually, there was a guy selling them and there were actually... I saw a guy in New York was selling the Chuck E. Cheese coins. Chuck E. Cheese is going through Bitcoin.  People bought them. So, okay, we've got not too much time left. So what's your commentary on the future of where this thing is going and what's happening? I mean, simply put, Bitcoin is the future of money. You're talking total crypto-anarchism where banks are going to be printing money like crazy, but because of the fixed supply of Bitcoin, it's going to gain value very rapidly. You're going to see a hyperinflation of fiat currencies. You know, one Bitcoin is going to be worth millions of dollars because of the fixed supply. I mean, how many people do you know who own one ton of gold? You know? Yeah, true. Fort Knox, I don't even know what they own. That's a lot. I mean, if you do the math, there's only 21 million Bitcoins. How many people are in the world, right? That's right. There's only 5 million in Bitcoin right now. I think about 17 million have been mined already. Okay. And quite a number of them have been lost. No, but individuals, people that are invested, it's only like 5 million people who have invested in Bitcoin. Right, hardly any people are using it. So this is really the biggest transfer of wealth in our lifetime, and it's going to replace banks and fiat currency. You know, it'll be like the Internet. Maybe it takes 20, 30 years to reach mainstream adoption where everyone has Bitcoin in their pocket. It's coming. Pretty cool. That's all there will be. That's so awesome. Anyway, we've burned through 28 minutes. JD, we're going to, we'll Skype you in for an update. We've got to bring you in when you go back to Japan. We'll Skype you in. I'll come back for you, Gordo. Thank you. He's a millionaire sitting on all those Bitcoins. Mind you, he's lost. That's another story. This is not for the faint of heart. We've told everybody we're not giving investment advice. Cryptocurrencies are not for the faint of heart. Volatile. It's very volatile. You've got to believe in what's happening in the future. Anyway, we have somewhere around here, an autographed solo cup. I'm not quite finished yet. Number 145 in the series. So don't lose this puppy. It could be worth, well, it's only 145.000. Bitcoin could be one day. There's going to be a lot of zeros in there. Anyway, thank you for coming all the way from Japan. Celebrating Christmas with us. You head back shortly and keep us posted on what's going on. We didn't give you a heads up on this on what we do at the end of every show, but we'll do it and you can just look into the camera and look smart like you always do. So like we say at the end of every show, when you enjoy the show and he brought you talks to people, listen, one, two, three, how are you doing? Thank you. That's awesome. I could spend another two hours on this. Good job.


Hey everyone, welcome back to San Francisco. Lisa Martin and John Furrier, live on the floor at VMware Explorer 2022. This is our third day of wall-to-wall coverage on theCUBE. But you know that, because you've been here the whole time. We're pleased to welcome a first-timer to theCUBE. Saeed Wiesal is here, the CEO and founder of Zedida. Saeed, welcome to the program. Thank you for having me. Talk to me a little bit about what Zedida does in Edge. Sure. So Zedida is a company purely focused on edge computing. I started a company about five years ago after Edge. So what we do is we help customers with orchestrating their edge, helping them to deploy, secure, monitor applications, services, and devices at the edge. What's the business model for you guys? We're going to get that out there. So the targeting the edge, which is everything from telco to whatever, what's the business model? Yeah, maybe before we go there, let's talk about Edge itself, because Edge is complex. There's a lot of companies that call them an edge company nowadays. If you're not a cloud company, you're probably an edge company at this point. So we are focusing something called the distributed edge. So distributed edge is when you start putting tiny servers in environments like factory floors, solar farms, wind farms, even inside machines or well sites, et cetera. And a question that people always ask me, like why would you want to put servers there? Aren't servers supposed to be in a data center, in the cloud? And the answer to the question actually is data gravity. So traditionally wherever the data gets created is where your applications live. But as we're connecting more and more devices to the edge of the network, basically customers now are required to push the applications to the edge because they can't get all that data to the cloud. So basically that's what we focus on. People call it the far edge as well. You know, that's the term we've heard in the past as well. And what we do and our business model is provide customers a software as a service solution where they can basically deploy and monitor these applications at these highly distributed environments. Data gravity comes up a lot. I want you to take a minute to explain the definition as it is today. And people have used that term, you know, with big data going back to 2010 Lisa when we covering the Hadoop wave which ended up becoming, you know, data bricks and snowflake now, but a lot's changed. But what does it mean to be data gravity? It means that staying local is just what's specifically described and defined what data gravity is? Yeah, so for me data gravity is where you need to process the data, right? It's where the data usually gets created. So if you think about a web app where does the data get created? Well, people click on buttons, they interface with it, they upload content to it, et cetera. So that's where the data gravity therefore is. Therefore, that's where you do your analytics, that's where you do your visualization, processing, machine learning and all of those pieces. So it's really where that data gets created is where the data gravity in my view sits. What are some of the challenges and opportunities that data gravity presents to customers? Well, obviously I think every enterprise in this day is trying to take data and make it a competitive advantage, like faster decisions, better decisions, out-compete your competition by being first with a product or being first with a product with a feature, et cetera. So I think if you're not a data-driven enterprise by now, then I think the future may be a little bit bleak. Okay, so you're targeting the market distributed edge, business model SaaS, technology, secret sauce, what's that piece? Yeah, so that's where the interesting part comes in. I think if you kind of look at the data center in the cloud, we've had these virtualization and orchestration stacks create. I mean, we're here in VMware Explorer as an example. But basically what we saw is that the edge is so unique and so different than what we've seen in the data center in the cloud that we needed to build a complete brand new purpose-built orchestration and virtualization solution. So that's really what we set off to do. So there's two components that we do. One is we built a purpose-built edge operating system for the edge and we actually open-sourced it. And the reason we open-sourced it, we said, hey, edge is so diverse, depending on the environment you're running in a machine or in a vehicle or in a well site, you have different hardware, different networks, different applications you need to enable. And we will never be able to support all of them ourselves. As a matter of fact, we actually think there's a need for standardization at the edge. We need to kind of cut through all these silos that have been created, traditionally from the embedded way of thinking. So we created basically an open-source project in the Linux Foundation in LF Edge, which is a sister organization to the CNCF. It's called Project EVE. And the idea is to create the Android of the edge. Basically what Android became for mobile computing, a common operating system. So you build one app, you can run on any phone in the world that runs Android, build an architecture, you build one app, you can run on any EVE powered node in the world. So distributed edge, you get the tech here, got the secret sauce, we'll get more into that in a second, but I want to just tie one quick point and get your clarification on. Edge is becoming much more about the physical side too. I mean, so when you talk about Android, you're making the reference of a phone, I get that metaphor to what you're doing at the edge. Wind farms, factories, alarms, light bulbs, buildings. I mean, that's what you're talking about, right? We're getting down to that. Very, very physical, dark, distributed locations. We're going to come back to the CISO CSO. We're going to come back to the CISO versus CSO question because is the CISO or CIO or who runs that? Anyway, so that's true. What's the important thing that's happening? Because that sounds like old OT world, like operating technology is not IT, information technology.  It's a great question. So what we're seeing is, first of all, there is already compute in these environments. Industrial PCs have existed well beyond an industrial automation that has been done for many, many decades. The point is that data has been collected but never connected, right? So with edge computing, we're connecting now this data from an industrial machine and industrial process to the cloud, right? And one of the problems is, it's data that comes of that industrial process too much to upload to the cloud. So I got to analyze it locally. So one of the things we saw early on in edge is there's a lot of brownfield. Most of our customers today actually have applications running on Windows and they would love to make in Linux and containers and Kubernetes but it took them 20, 30 years to build those apps and they basically are the money makers of the enterprise. So they are in a transitionary phase and they need something that can take them from the brown to the green field. So to your point, you got to support all of these types of unique brownfield applications. So you're saying, I don't really care if this is a customer, how you get the data. You want to start new, start fresh. That's cool, but if you want to take your old data, you don't take that. You don't want to rebuild the whole machine, you just want to, yeah. And they can lifecycle it out on their own timetable. Yeah, so we had to learn, first of all, how do we take and lift and shift a Windows-based industrial application and make it run at the edge on our architecture, right? And then the second step is, how do we then siphon off that data that this application is generating and do we fuse it with cloud-native capabilities? Cloud-native capabilities. So your SaaS is your open source that you're giving to the Linux Foundation as part of that EVE project. That's available to everybody. They can look at the code, which is great, by the way. People want to do that. Your self-service, I'm assuming, is your hardened version with support? Well, we took what the open source companies did. Open source companies traditionally have sold basically a support model around the open source. We actually saw another problem customers has, like, okay, now I have this node running and I can do this data analytics, but what if I have 15 or 20,000 of these nodes? And they're all around the world in remote locations on satellite links or wireless connectivity. How do I orchestrate them? So we actually build an orchestration service for these nodes running this open source software. So that's a key secret sauce right there. That is the business model, that taking open source and allowing it to run. And you're taking your own code that you have, okay, got it, cool. And then the customer's customer piece is key, so that's the final piece, I guess. Who's using it? Yeah, well, and... And one of the business outcomes that they're achieving. Oh yeah, well, so maybe start with that first. I mean, we are deployed in customers in all in gas. For instance, helping them with the transition to renewable energy, right? So basically we have customers, for instance, that deploy us in how they drill wells is one use case and doing that better, faster and cheaper and less environmental impacting. But we also have customers that use us in wind farms. We have, and solar farms, one of the leading solar energy companies in the world is using us to bring down the cost of power by predicting failures ahead of time, for instance. And when you're working with customers to create the optimal solution of the distributed edge, who are you working with within an organization? Yeah, it's usually a mix of OT and IT people. So the OT people, typically they're- Arm wrestling? Or are they getting along? Actually, I think they're getting along very well. Okay, good. But they also agree that they have to have swim lanes. The IT folks, obviously their job is to make sure everything is secure, everything is according to the compliance, it's the best TCO on the infrastructure, those type of things. The OT guy, they care about the application, they care about the services, they care about the company business. So how can you create a model that too can coexist? And if you do that, they get along really well. You know, we had an event called SuperCloud and it's at the urlsupercloud.worlds, if you're watching, check it out. It's our version of what we think multi-cloud will merge into, including Edge, because Edge is just another node in the network, as far as we're concerned. Hybrid is the steady state. That's distributed computing. On-premise, private cloud, a public cloud. We know what that looks like. People love that, things are happening. Edge is like a whole other new area that's blossoming and with disruption. There's a lot of existing markets and incumbents that need to be disrupted and there's also new capabilities that are coming that we don't yet see. So we're seeing it with the SuperCloud idea that these new kinds of clouds are emerging. Like, there could be an Edge cloud. Why is there a security cloud? Where is the financial services cloud? Where is the insurance cloud? Where is the... So these become SuperClouds where the capex can be done by the Amazon, whatnot. You've been following that. Is Edge cloudable? Can you make that a cloud? Is that what you guys are trying to do? And if so, what does that look like? Because we're adding a new track to our SuperCloud site, I mentioned, on Edge, specifically. We're trying to figure out, and if you share your opinion, it'd be great, can Edge clouds exist and be run by companies? Or is that what you guys are trying to do? I mean, I think first of all, there is no Edge without cloud. So when I meet any customer who says, hey, we're going to do Edge without cloud, and I'm like, you're probably not going to do Edge. And the way we built the company and the way we think about it, it's about extending the cloud experience all the way into these embedded, distributed environments. That's really, I think, what customers are looking for because customers love the simplicity of the cloud, they love the ease of use, the agility, all of that greatness. And they're like, hey, I want that, but not in an Amazon or Azure data center. I want that in my factories. I want that in my well sites, in my vehicles. And that's really what I think the future is going to be. And how long have you guys been around? What's the history of the company? Because you might actually be that cloud. And are you on AWS or Azure? You're building your own? What's the... Yeah, so...   So the company's about five years old. So when we started focusing on Edge, people didn't necessarily talk as much about Edge. We kind of identified the... It's like, how do you find a black hole in the universe? Because you can't see it, but you sort of look around. That's where you read it. And so we were looking at it like, there's something going to happen here at the edge of the network because everybody's saying, we're connecting these vice upload the data to the cloud, it's never going to work. My background is networking. I worked at companies like Juniper and Ericson, ran several products there.  And it was very evident to me it's not going to be possible. My co-founders come from open source, companies like Pivotal and Cloudera. My other co-founder was an engineer at Sun Microsystems, built the first network stack in the Solaris operating system. So a lot of experience that kind of came together to build this. Cloudera, it's a big day. That's where theCUBE started, by the way. Yeah, so we have, I think a good view on the stack, the cloud stack, and therefore a good view of what the ad stack needs to look like. And then I think, to answer your other question, our orchestration service runs in the cloud. We have, we actually are a multi-cloud company, so we offer customers choice where they want to orchestrate the nodes from. The nodes themselves never sit in a data center. They're always highly embedded. We have customers are putting machines or inside these factory lines, et cetera. Are you running your SaaS on Amazon web services or which cloud are you using? We are running it on several clouds, including Amazon. All of them, pretty much the cloud. Yeah, so some customers say, I'd prefer to be on the Amazon set. Another customer say, I want to be on Azure set. And you leverage their CapEx on that side. On behalf of the cloud. Yes, yes. But the majority of the customer data and all the data that the nodes process, the customer send it to their clouds. They don't send it to us. We don't get a copy of the camera feed analytics or the machine data. We actually decouple those still. So basically the IoT and production data go straight to the customers cloud and that's where they love us. And they choose that. They can control their own desk. They control that, yeah. So we separate the management plane from the data plane at the edge. That's a good call, actually. Yeah, that was another very important part of the architecture early on. Customers don't want us to see their highly confidential production data. And we don't want to have it either, so. We had a great chat with Chris Wolf who works with Kit Colbert about control plane data plane. So that seems to be the trend. Data plane customers want full management of that. Control plane maybe have multiple versions. So our cloud consumption, what the data we store is about the apps, their behavior, the networking, the security, all of that, that's what we store in our cloud. And then customers can access that and monitor that the actual machine data goes somewhere else. Here we are at VMware Explorer. Talk a little bit about the VMware relationship. You just had some big news the other day. Yeah, so two days ago, we actually made a big announcement with VMware. So we signed an OEM agreement with VMware. So we're part now of VMware's edge compute stack. So VMware customers, as they start using the recently announced edge compute stack 2.0 that was announced here. Basically, it's powered by Zdita technology. So it's a really exciting partnership. As part of this, we're actually building integrations with the VMware organization products. So that's basically now extending to more, you know, other groups inside VMware. So what's the value for VMware customers? Yeah, so I think the benefit of VMware customers, I think VMware customers want that multi-cloud, multi-edge orchestration experience. So they want to be able to deploy workloads in the cloud. They want to deploy the workloads in the data center and of course also at the edge. So by us integrating in that vision, customers now can have that unified experience from cloud to edge and anywhere in between. What's the big vision that you see happening at the edge? I mean, a lot of the VMware customers here, they're classic IT that have evolved into ops, now dev ops, now you got second data ops coming. The edge is going to right around the corner for them. They're dealing with it now. Probably just kicking the tires, telling the water kind of thing. Where do you see the vision going? Because now, no matter what happens with VMware with Broadcom, this wave is still here. You got AWS, got Azure, got Google Cloud, got Oracle, Alibaba internationally and the cloud native surges here. How do you see that disrupting the existing edge?  I mean, I was talking to a telco person and they puked at the word open source. I mean, these people are so dogmatic on their architecture, they're going to get disrupted, it's a matter of time. Where's the new guard come in? How do you see the configuration changing in the landscape? Because some people will cross over to the right side of the street here, some won't. Open source will dominate, cloud native will be key. Yeah, well, I mean, I think again, let's take an example of a vertical that's heavily disrupted now as the automotive market, right? So look at Tesla and look at all these companies. They built software first cars, right? Software first delivery of capabilities and everything else. And the incumbents, they have only two options, right? Either they try to respond by adopting open source, cloud native technologies like these new entrants have done and really compete with them at that level or they can become commodity, right? So, and I think that's the customers we're seeing. The smart customers go like, we need to compete with these guys, we need to figure out how to take this technology in and they need partners like us and partners like VMware for that. Do you see customers becoming cloud, super cloud players, if they continue to keep leveraging the capex of the clouds and focus all their operational capital on top line revenue generating activities? Yeah, so I think the capex model of the cloud is a great benefit of the cloud, but I think that is not what's the longer term future of the cloud. I think the cloud operating model is the future, like the agility, the ability, imagine embedded software that, you know, you do an over the air update to fix a bug, but it's very hard to make an embedded device smarter over time. And then imagine if you can run cloud native software and you can roll out every two weeks new features and make that thing smarter, intelligent and continue to help you in your business. That I think is what cloud did, ultimately. And I think that is what really these customers are going to need at their pitch. Well, we talked about the value within it for customers with the VMware partnership, but what are some of your expectations? Obviously, this is a pretty powerful partnership for you guys. What are some of the things that you're expecting that this is going to drive? Yeah, so we have always operated at the more OT layer, distributed organizations in retail, energy, industrial automotive, those are the verticals. So we've developed, I think, a lot of experience there. What we're seeing as we talk to those customers is they obviously have IT organizations. And the IT organizations, hey, it's great you're looking at computing, but how do we tie this into the existing investments we made with VMware and how do we kind of take that also to this new environment? And I think that's the expectation I have is that I think we will be able to talk to the IT folks and say, hey, you can actually talk to the OT person and both of you will speak the same language. You probably will both standardize on the same architecture and you'll be together deploying and enabling this new agility at the edge. What are some of the next things coming up for Zedita and the team? Well, so we've had a really amazing few quarters. We just closed a series B round. So we've raised, the company's raised over 55 million so far. We're growing very rapidly. We opened up new international offices. I would say the early customers that we started deploying with a while back, they're now going into mass scale deployment. So we have now deployments underway in the 10 to 100 thousands of nodes at certain customers and in amazing environments. And so for us, it's continuing to prove the product in more and more verticals. Our product is really built for the largest of the largest. So for the size of the company we are, we have a high concentration of Fortune 500, Global 500 customers. And some of them even invested in our rounds recently. So we've been really honored with that support. Well, congratulations. Good stuff, Edge is popping. All right, thank you. Thank you so much for joining us, talking about what you're doing in Distributed Edge, what's in it for customers, the VMware partnership. And by the way, congratulations on that too. Thank you, thank you so much. Nice to meet you. All right, nice to meet you as well. For our guest and John Furrier, I'm Lisa Martin. You're watching theCUBE live from VMware Explorer 22. John and I will be right back with our next guest.