ACMI Productions are only made possible with your support. Visit patreon.com slash ACMI to learn how you can help. All right, here we're starting the next meeting with the Water Botanist Group, which is sequence preparation under Article 49. I'll turn it over to you to introduce yourselves and then we can start. And I would suggest if you reach a point where it's a natural break, stop and ask some questions and then you can move on to what else you'd like to. Okay, so we'll question you. Whatever you'd like, whatever you'd like. I'll give it to you. Okay. All right, so I want you to introduce yourselves and then go at it. I'm David White, Conservation Commission and Susan Chapnick, Vice Chair of the Conservation Commission. I'm Steve Ritchie, I co-chair with Brad Barber, the Spipeline Committee. And I'm Brad Barber, the Spipeline Committee. I'm Bill Reed, I'm representing Helen Reed, from Melodomy Rocks Park and Phyllis Pond. Okay, no. The water body's budget presents fully apportionable of dunking and dumping water bodies in the ground holes. Down the Mystic Lakes, Mystic River, Phyllis Pond, Reservoir, Phyllis Pond, Clinton Ponds, Nelson, Melbrook, Wildbrook, Reachbrook, Roninbrook, Ryderbrook, and Hibbert-Myowbrook. There's a great richness of water resources and many organizations and people are going to care of them. They're special thanks to the Mystic River Water Situated Association, which is anything that's going to create a larger park on Melbrook, ongoing voucher by the chestnut, at least, and managing an accessible sediment and flooding in Melbrook with a safe ground. And also shout to D.P.W. for the green infrastructure projects, which has written great infiltration centers in East Orleans. There's a lot of people and a lot of things that can't be water bodies in town. Today, we're talking about the bridge budget for care of four town-owned properties, which is recreational purposes. Spideshine, Reservoir, Phyllis Pond, and the Ponds and the Plain Park. Nelson, Melbrook, has a highly missed path to do the fiscal year budget and the water bodies future. The fiscal year starts in July, but water body activities run from spring through fall, over the next two fiscal years. That's what he planned ahead, and they request advance of the need and also learning about the local balance in the fund. My information that presents that is also included in the water bodies report, 2023, but I'm not going to talk much more. But first, about the architecture of Reservoir. The Redmore battle to boundary in Ellington, New Mexico, the northwest section of Ireland. It's prepared by Melbrook, which is mostly east of Ellington, and also the Greatsbrook, close to the Phyllis Park. Several stormgreens in Ellington, and then from Ellington, also described in Reservoir. In most years, there's been water flow year round to stagnation of the flows, turning that upon. The problem with the Reservoir, I think they see water testing points. This could fully cover the water circles and dense gaps making voting efficient possible. This could also affect water birds, the governor, as well as fish turtles, other creatures who live in the water. This is an annual plant that grows in seeds each year. The seeds can never be viable up to 10 years. Each year, the seeds from previous years root from the bottom, they create new plants that rise to the surface, that produces new crop seeds. The really only, these were meant to vanishing this plant, this vicious cycle group, as opposed to plants before they set seed. This partisan also needs water body health and human insurance as well. This is done by physically removing the plants. It was affected method in the chemical harvest year, which collects the plants on the surface, water surface, along the seeds. And then taking to show it, over disposal by DPW. This is supplemented by volunteer efforts, hand harvesters, plants, there's a two-shell effort of harvest year and also was accumulated in the season. Last year, volunteer organized by the Reservoir Committee of the Missing Group of Water Facility Association, I think it's around the summer. All together, the 11 harvesting events, over 200 volunteers, and over 1,000 baskets of plants collected by volunteers. And over the many years, we're going to have efficient funding for two weeks of mechanical harvest. This is not enough before they clear the water surface. In general, it's a northern section of the Reservoir with a heavy crop of plants and more seeds. Property management investigation needs to clear the entire surface. Over a number of years, that will reduce the seed bank, future growth will reduce, and that will easily be managed. It's important to do as much as we see recent growth as possible in the year. If the three-shell was not done, we'll just keep on harvesting the same amount of plants in depth of it. It's worth noting that my work in the harvesting water-trescent plant in the Missing River for years has now reached a point where less effort is required. I spoke to Patrick Cairn, Director of the Missing River Water Facility Association. He has just a say about water-trescent harvesting. Quote, perhaps typical basic plants in general, one-half measures all of those main values. Yes, obviously, 25% of all the benefits feels good. It was a certain amount of nutrients, but hopefully it does nothing to reduce the future population. Many populations will produce enough seed to fill the area back in the following year. We can clear 100% of the plants for four years straight. We can clear 10% of the original costs. And then virtually go lower and lower. We draw down that seed cap. And maybe the yield of plants are many as 15 million years. Definitely reduce the effort. So the budget request for this year is coming this year. There's a double mechanical harvesting from two weeks to four weeks. That's an increase from $27,000 to $55,000. I was just going to ask and question this point. Are you asking for how many feet to increase your budget over last year? Are you still asking for the same thing? We're asking to increase it from last year. It's in the budget. We have $55,000 last year. We're asking $55,000 this year. Now you have $50,000 last year. Total budget. Total budget was $50,000. Okay. We're asking to increase to $120,000. I was in this sheet that we said about. Do you have that? Yeah, I'll have that. So we're doing this piece by piece. That's a quick $55,000 with a budget work this year. It's coming this week. Okay. So thank you. So David, this is probably been around for decades, is actually called. Why don't we buy a harvest? We propose that. It's a good idea. We propose that last year and the year before. And DPW didn't support it. Park and Rec was concerned. Where would it be stored? Apparently there are logistical problems. Personally, the conservation commission still feels it's really the best idea because it would be the least expensive over time. And it would allow us to control the plants when we need to. So we're always at the mercy of our vendors. We get our contracts together, but they tell us when they can do it in a window. And sometimes that's not the best window to do the work. So if we had a harvest or as we could do it, we also could potentially rent it out to other communities. How would you do it? $100,000, between $100 and $125 or so. Thank you. Yeah. Annie and Ellen Johnson Grant. So if you had a harvester, who would operate it? Right. So we did discuss that internally and we didn't go too far because other groups were not in concert. But it's basically like driving a little boat. I mean, it's not very difficult to do it. It doesn't require. Like a one more. It's like a one more, right? It doesn't require a staff person. You would need somebody to run it unless you hire someone to run a tent boat. No. DPW didn't hire someone to help, so. Right. The question is the nature of that somewhere. Hold on. Right. Right now, college students or teenagers, whatever, I'm not sure. They should have run on a harvester or on a boat, so. Let's not just score. It's a very simple machine. It is very simple. But I hear what you're saying a little bit. So we didn't explore all the nitty-gritty of it because we told that was not good. It also is not very large. It doesn't take up a lot of space. It'll take up like one large parking lot space. Could you store it in the parking lot over the window?  Again, some shelter. No, have to have a space at the DPW. I think so. That would help. Al Jones. Thank you. Two questions. One, I suspect you're pretty frustrated with Lexington's inactivity. Is there any discussions or negotiations with them to their part? Would have in the past approached them and the conservation commission is receptive but the rest of town administration is lost. I think it's worth doing that again. There's different administrations. So our two conservation commissions are both in agreement that this needs to be done for the whole reservoir for the help of the aquatic environment. However, it's their finances or a town budget or a town meeting or whatever that doesn't get it approved. So I don't know who would recount, maybe town manager. I think it's a good idea to try again because no administrations change. Because it's probably what, is it 25% of the service? About half. About half, okay. So all of our reference will be feudal with the under half. No, we do the. We do part of their and we're proposing with this increase to do the entire res, which would be 50% of Lexington's. We would do it. Okay. Okay. Second question, there's been some, what seemed like fairly informed discussion about the res becoming too popular and you know, visitors disturbing natural habitat particularly nesting sites and such but any discussion about that? I know it's not exactly water, but yeah, the waters and the thermometers particularly around the berm and the scoring farm. My observation, most of the workers stay in the path. People fish off the berm. I'm not sure what to do about that. And I think there was a question about dogs on the berm. Yeah, there's a lot of dogs on the berm. Scaring off, you know, wild way. You talked about the, the berm around the end. Yeah, the berm around the scoring area, yeah. And maybe some of the other shoreline, but anyway, you know, are you concerned about too much wildlife to start nesting and stuff? Well, I'd say it's a concern. I'm not sure how large concern because of a lot of undisturbed area adjacent to the reservoir on near Millbrook, Contelo reservation, most of the way. So it's a, every time you have more use and you know, it's coming back, it's coming back. Okay, thank you. Grant? Thank you, I'm not sure. I have raised three questions, but I really appreciate what you're up against and the futility of it. And that there's no real good solution. You say that if you bought this, you know, one of the things you can rent it to other towns or something like that, and you also mentioned that you had spoken with the Mystic River conferred with them about the sort of thing. What other towns have this problem? Who will you rent it to? And have they even, you know, been contact with them about how few of their efforts? I haven't researched a dirt area. I know that Mystic River has hired commercial companies. You might rent it to them perhaps. But so we've explored the rental issue extensively. So it's the most common treatment with water chest outs and water chest outs are very common in farms that don't have a lot of movement, a lot of water movement. Oh, I understand all about that. It's the names of these other towns. Yeah, yeah, I couldn't, we didn't. All right, so we don't really know if it could be like that. There's any interest in it, so okay. They have, they're renting and using them. I mean, that's something that's easy to find out because there's only a few companies right that do this. But we don't know.  But I don't know, fine, it's fine. Another question would be about the payback on this is that, you know, it's an investment, you know. The best way, you might understand is that it costs us X amount of years to push this block up a hill and then have it fall back down again. And then if we bought this harvester, how many years will we recover the futility cost that we think we're doing something to do with it? So, would it be five years, 10 years, how long would that payback carry me? When we did it about two years ago, if we wanted to pose it and then we were told that it's not going to work, it was, I think, $110,000 for the harvester. And then we looked at hiring somebody and doing something. We thought it would be about three or four years from K-1. If we did the whole pun, like we're talking about, because if you look at the numbers, it's $26,000 for two weeks. That's part of the rest. And if you do double that, that's 56 or 55, sorry, 55. So, 55 every year, kind of do the math. It's just a few years. But the idea is we won't be pushing the rock up a hill anymore. The idea is if you do the whole pun for four years in a row, you can get the whole C-bang down to like 10%. No, I understand. So, but we have been pushing the rock up a hill. That's my point. Is this an alternative to pushing the rock up the hill? Absolutely. And it's hard to measure the payback of the gain, but you get some gain, but you have to measure it, I guess, is the question. So, now the third thing I was asking about, this is sort of obscure, but I believe the hydrostatic pressure part is a problem because you can't drain the res without draining the swimming. Is that accurate? Yes, if you drain the res, the swimming pool, swimming area also doesn't... You kept the same rock. And that's because it leaks out the bottom. It's permanent. The river's permanent. Oh, I'm sure it is. There ain't even, I know it's sort of a bigger picture, but it's also a solution to it because if you drain the whole res, you could easily get at this problem, except you'd sacrifice the swimming. I believe that was my understanding from the last couple of years. I'm not sure draining was still the problem. Because the three banks are in the sediment. So the only way to get them out, these are those really like, like quickly things that look like these pods with the... Devil's tetrahedra. Exactly, that's a great, yeah. That's exactly what it looks like. They can stay in the sediment for 15 years. So really, if you wanted to get rid of them, you'd have to dredge the entire reservoir. And then you would negatively affect all the entire environment and ecology of the area. You know, I think that was part of the rub that a couple of years ago, because we've heard that. Yeah. So the harvesters can take care of that either. No, it just gets rid of the growing plants so that you don't add any more seed oil. So the idea is each time you do that, then you're not adding any more. And eventually those ones in the sediment will not be viable. That's what the mystic is done. They blow the seed back, reduce the effort. And where do they do the harvest thing on the mystic? I'm not seeing it on the Medford. Is it Medford on the Medford side? Where? Medford, Medford. Well, they're like a section of it, because I mean, I see Medford all the time on the other side of the river. I don't see any harvesters there. Maybe there's a section of Medford that they do it to? I'm sure there is. I really don't. You can ask the mystic. We can ask the mystic river worship associate, because they're involved. And they don't own what they just have better access to. So that's a good point. We can ask them, why don't they own? They also have a very assertive volunteer polling program using corporations. They want to launch their programs. So they hand poll a lot. They hand poll a lot. Yes. OK. So what I would appreciate, I can't speak for other folks. I'm scared to speak for other folks in this committee. But what I would suggest is some most people might go hire a consultant to do a study. But instead of that, just find some of these other towns that don't know the names. How do they solve the problem? They probably don't solve it. But what do they do? And if you use the mystic river folks as an example, maybe we can get a little bit. And if they've been successful, then maybe we can find out a little more detail, because they still hand poll as well. Apparently. See, that's what I mean. They hand poll and mechanical. And they're the ones that told us that we're wasting our time if we just do part of the. I heard that part. I will say, though, it's still worth doing part, even if you can't do the whole thing, because it allows residents to to go in there with their kayaks or their communities and get around and actually use the area. Otherwise, it gets so choked out. So they cover it. Absolutely. Yeah. So there's that female issue as well. It's recreation. Well, I appreciate that again. So that's where the confusion is that, well, isn't really how much to solve it. And then these other people solved it, but they solved it without the use of one. And they still do hand pollings. So but all right, guys, thank you very much. And David, I want to also just commend you on your efforts on getting all the volunteers down there.   So then you've sort of done that a lot on your own. So I really think that's good. Michael and Jennifer? You mentioned there was a right time of year to do this for the best results. How many weeks are the right weeks of the year, which ties into how much utility we're owning the asset afford us? You should invest time in the late spring in June when the plants have reached the surface. How many four-week intervals could you get into a season if we were to investigate letting this machine out for or for profit? Because the growth is sort of fastest in the spring, in the late spring, as thick as in June. Is it feasible to think that we could make this machine available to other towns who would perhaps want it at the very same time that we wanted? You could also harvest in July, but that's not quite so effective. So I hear what you're saying. It makes a lot of sense that could we do it? So we have been pushed back either to May or July for years. We just did it because there is this difficulty in getting vendors to do this and scheduling them even right now. So I hear what you're saying. I think that if we did rent it out, then we would have to get our priority. And then the other towns would get, you know, we get to later than maybe they want it, but they don't get something. But as Grant was imagining, I think this is a very easy proposal to pull the facts together. That's all. And then you actually harvest the plants until August and the seeds start to drop. It looked beautiful. I swam a lot of the res last summer and I was imagining a boat rental concession at one end and, you know. Well, thank you. You're welcome to do so. John. Yeah, so as an advocate, I appreciate your efforts. So a couple of questions. Right now in the last few years, are we staying the same? Are we getting slightly better? Are we getting slightly worse? Where are we sort of? We've been doing like this minimal effort for at least almost 10 years now. It stays about the same. It's about the same. Okay. And I remember, so last year when this came up, the first thought that came to my mind is, this doesn't seem like the right thing to do for the Finance Committee, right? This feels like a capital planning type of thing.  You said they weren't that excited about it because there was a word to host this device. But I'm just wondering, do you remember hearing any conversation about it or anything? I'm just wondering how the conversations have gone with, I mean, can you go to capital plan by yourself and suggest this? It feels like it's a capital planning thing. It really is, it's very much a capital planning thing. More time departments, yeah. Yeah.  It's not sort of the thing that usually comes through sort of our process. No, absolutely. We're just looking to draw lots of support. Yeah, because frankly, if DPW doesn't want to do it, it doesn't matter for good capital plans. Yeah, no, I don't. Right. So we're just trying to draw lots of support. And now we can say at least from what we've heard from you that there is some support here or for this approach. I mean, it seems like that part of it isn't being used fully in the winter. So if there was any way to store it there, like building a shed or something, that feels almost like that version. I mean, there is a new DPW facility, but already it's built, right? I mean, there's no extra space. So I get the reluctance that DPW is. The parking lot is used to snow pound, snow pound. Oh, yeah, that's true. That is true. That's DPW may have found that. That's, I would say that's true. That's true. Yeah, okay. Caroline. So when we rent the machine from these companies, how many hours per day are they there and how many days are they there? It's about five days a week, seven hours per day. And for how long? The two weeks. So we have it for that for a full time for those two weeks. Yes. With the opportunity. That's a contract. That's a contract. But you want to double it. Because that only does half, less than half. About half, about half, just about half. And there's one month that it is best time to do this. It's the best time to do it. So if we bought one and asked other towns to rent it, we'd be asking them to rent it in off months. Or we would have them rented after we took care of the problem. The majority of the problem. So it wouldn't actually get rented for the first three years, unless there were towns that were willing to take the two weeks before that. And they might because that's what we do. We've done that when we haven't gotten to the vendors fast enough. They say, oh, we're busy. Sorry, you know, and we've done August. So, okay. So we could rent to one town, two weeks before and two weeks after, and then other towns potentially after that. Our first choice though. Okay. Because basically you harvest the plants until August when they start to drop the seeds. Okay, so we could rent through July and early August. So now you're talking two weeks in May and then at least July. And then four weeks. Because you know, you've got climate change is getting hotter and kind of move back, you know. Yeah. Okay. So. Has anybody thought about insurance? If we were to own it, like insurance on that and insurance on a town employee. I've not gotten there. I'm sure that would be interesting. Right.  Yes. So if the town were to rent it out, would other towns be expecting that we provide an employee to do this or they're going to have to organize themselves? No, they have to do it their own. Yeah. Yeah, and then maybe that wouldn't work. Right. It just, I like the idea that then I'm thinking in practice I don't know that these other towns are going to have an employee that has whatever license, whatever insurance to go put on a bill that they printed. No, it's a good point. I think though, if you look on return on investment even if we don't want to. Right. Which is fine. We still look at return on investment but I hear what you're saying. We didn't think everything through because it kind of like got stopped in the track. Okay. Yeah, I like to give it as I hear other people's questions. So I just want to be clear. So you're two week harvesting that you do now, you remove about 50% of. Around that, yeah. And if you went to four weeks, it would be almost a hundred percent. Yeah. Because some are too shallow, right? Yeah, you can't. And then we get the rest of it with the volunteer efforts that we do. And within four or so years it would be pretty special. That's what we expect. That's what we expect. That's what Mystic River Warshad Association is. And then when it reaches that point, how often would the harvester leave it? There'll still be seven weeks, maybe like two weeks, one week. But it still keeps coming up with a lesser degree. And maybe some people do hand harvesting. I don't know. And she might be a total summary at that point. I mean. Other questions on the rise? By Pond? By Pond. Yeah, I think you're right. All right. By Pond hosts at least four different invasive species that we have to treat just about every year. And the reason we do, by Pond has a problem with at least, I can identify with it, which is too much nutrients. And the nutrients get there primarily down the storm water grains that come down, lead to, down Glacier, the southern edge of Mass Ave. And I was throwing a head, I was trying to do a head count about my head count. It looks like there's about 27, 3,200 houses in that watershed versus the hundred of others that are right next door. And David mentioned that the DPW is working on things that will really, really moderate the influx of these nutrients. But in the meantime, I'm happy to do the treatments. So for 2,000.4, I'm talking 1,000.4, this is right now. We're planning two treatments. The first in mid-May, it'll be an in-water treatment to address perligate pondweed, duration of no soil, juvenile pondweeds, and niacs. Now each of these different plants has a different or stated growing season. And each of them at different times in the past that demonstrated an ability to cover good parts of the pond. But we're going with the soil treatment and we're staging it in mid-May with the hope of having the most overlap over all the species. I think the risk is going to be the niac will be showing up, perhaps on this, reach a larger harvest. And we're hoping it doesn't put the surface. The other treatment is to address frag mites. I think we're all familiar with the call with the frag mites plant, who was 20 years ago that the plants had occupied more than two acres of the pond and its banks. And then it was a major record undertaken by the town and the butters in 2009, 2011. Then it was a follow-up in 2013 and 2016. And we need another follow-up now that's starting to emerge. September, we're planning to treat the stands at the Elk's Lodge. And I say these are the addresses of most of this stuff is in the water and on the banks. It's at the Elk's Lodge. It's a visibitile image and it's quickly pushed right from the parkway. And these were, I thought of the epicenter. These were the major concentrations back in 2010. Now, the two vendors were using, we have the same problem in terms of access to the vendor. In our minds, ECR might have the best practice. They send divers into the different water bodies and they observe where the plants are and this where they are in their stages of growth. And when they're still, when they're there but still it's small, they hit them. And so minimize is how much the day goes into the body and how much oxygen did it really create. But it's an expensive process. So we're back, we're back for this year with the running treatment. That's got to be the CA and Biometal. We'll do a survey of the pond, midway, the borders of the fish treatment, do the treatment, and then they'll do a second survey in September in Czech folk. But we're still there. The surveys will identify the plant dates, plant dates, but also we have to document the presence of Engelman's flaxseeds. And Engelman's sedge is an endangered species. And anytime we go for an NOI or a permit, we have to also demonstrate to menace. Menace species. Yes, good. We have to demonstrate to know where the sedge is. So that'll be done in the pond. The other group, the other vendor is Essex Horticultural, they're going to deal with the phragmites. This is the group that's been maintaining the stormwater wetland behind Aleph Station. And I know that worked with some of the other members of conservation condition. So that describes calendar 2024, but 2025 we'll have to tone the program according to what we actually experienced. But the plan is an early spring treatment if the growth on wood potential may are doing treatment for the millfoil and then a third treatment to hit the friddle niad at the corner. These proactive treatments will occur when the plants are short, without seeds, without cruising bodies. This is the best chance for really long to come. That's all I have. Were you going to talk about the budget? Not me. Oh, okay. Brad, or you want me to do it? Why don't you do it? Well, let me say one more thing. Bipod is very complicated. H7 of the report lists all the issues with Bipod. It's very complicated, very managed. Okay, so as you've heard, we're changing the management for next year, particularly year 25, and potentially more treatments because we're trying to be a little more proactive and targeted. This year, we didn't end fiscal year 24 because we're trying to live within the budget that was included in it. And that's why we're asking for $70,000 for Saipan for fiscal year 25 versus, what did we ask for? 20. 25. 35. Right. 35, which is right. So that's set to 35. And those increases are basically increases in the treatments. Now, one of those treatments they have, we needed, as he said, we don't know if this finding adds gonna show up again. So we have a little bit of money in there, but if we don't need it, we won't use it. We can figure whatever happens. Right, right. And then the Fragmites, we have not been treated. So that was not in our budget last year at all because we didn't need to.  And then we have to do what we did for 20 years ago. Well, if we do nothing, it'll keep growing. It'll keep growing. So next year is why we need more money this year. I mean, in the FY 25, is that next year in the spring, we're gonna be doing choices, potentially twice as many treatments. And we won't be doing Fragmites. Fragmites for Fragmites is one time. No, we will be at fiscal year. That's right. But it's only this fall. Yeah, it's only this fall. But after the next fall, we won't have to do it, right? Okay, that'll take care of that. And the idea is to do it. And so this is something we've been trying to do and it's something that isn't really widely done. We're trying to do it. I think we've brought this up before you, previous years, right? We're really trying to do proactive treatment. We now know how to do it. And it's just a matter of planning ahead sufficiently to make it happen. And we've also made it, we're also getting fairly detailed records about what the growth patterns are. So instead of, as Steve was saying, like the DCR, they've been using divers, we can just simply do spot checks and say, okay, it's now growing and we've been doing planting algae reports pretty regularly. And we can see when the plants are growing up high enough that it's time to knock them down. So this is like when they're put are too high. So right now, we're treating them when they're basically this high, okay? And all of that decay happens as the plants grow, the algae comes up with them, they love the plants because it brings them up to the surface. So that's the plants to get them when they're low. They don't have any fruiting bodies. They're not, they haven't developing their roots like the region water mill foil. That's what they want to do is develop their root balls. Get them low. All right, questions about the slide on for that. Thank you. I had a question if there's any plant in the budget specifically for that algae because I know we've talked about it about the algae and by bondage, any of these things are about the algae's variable? Yeah, so we do have a contingency for a treatment for algae in here but for spi pond and for fields. Is that fair, we apologize? Is that fair, you said this on the field? I think rather than 3000 treatment, what we've also done is David Morgan who's our agent, a conservation agent, he's been working closely with Natasha Whedon of the Board of Health to coordinate on visual and doing testing of water for algae. Because what happens is that when somebody reports that there's algae, if the Board of Health goes out there and just visually says, yes, it's algae, you've got to close it. Whether or not you test it, it's really there and sometimes it's not the bad algae. So we're trying to coordinate better the conservation commission and the Board of Health so that we have closures, if we need closures, they're real and that we can open the water bodies in that kind of fashion by doing follower testing and reporting to DP about when it goes away. But yes, we have contingency budget for one treatment each for each of the water bodies. Just as a follow-up, when you say a closure, do you mean like the kids couldn't sail on it or something like that? Can't do anything? No, can't. Totally closed. Can't have dogs, can't sail, can't do anything. Yeah, that was a problem because we couldn't have the crews on. I mean, we're retrieving it, isn't that? Just in case I'm a little bit chattel. And then my second question was just, you were referring to like monitoring it so as the plant is small and you said knock it down, do you mean this is the loop of it that word or do you mean chemical? Chemical. Yeah. Chemical tree. Charlotte. Back to the algae again. I believe if you see algae there, none of you have to close it, but you can't treat it, right? You're not allowed to disturb it. That's what we were told a couple of years ago when we didn't like the response. No, that's not really true. Well, if you go out there and you see algae, there's all different kinds of algae, okay? So we don't know if it's the harmful algae. We call them harmful algae, algal blooms, HADs, which is cyanobacter. And to complicate it more, some cyanobacteria produce those toxins and some do not. So if it's there, if you see small numbers of it, you could proactively treat with a copper algae side to not to get rid of it. Early treatment. Early treatment. And that's something that we're looking at. We're monitoring now.  You have to wait for it to die off on its own. Which is what happened last year in Hills Park was close for a significant amount upon a lot of residents were really upset. That's the part of that. Yeah. So can you provide a preventative treatment before the algae comes? And when you see little bits of it, you can and actually also we were talking about adding an algae side to be proactive, yes. And will we do that? So Dicod is what we're using for curly leaf pondweed and Dicod it's often recommended to include some algae side. And the reason is because you've got the plants growing, algae is being grown with the plants on the surface of the plant. And when you knock it all down, that's a very sudden decay like within a week. And that greatly increases the number of nutrients that are in the pond. And algae love that. Yes. And also you're bringing more light into the pond. If you include an algae side with the Dicod it makes the Dicod more effective because it weakens the plant. It also wipes out the algae that is in there. So the algae is not a problem at that point, but by knocking out the algae, you basically start them over again on there. What happens is it's one of these things that increases quite rapidly. If you start from a low level, it takes it a while to just go. Thank you. Ask your doctor at algae side plus clotide is right for you. Brad. Thank you. I appreciate that we have this roll of these chemicals added and that smells effective way. And there's always a balance with everything. We know the downside or some of the potential impacts of these animals. Yeah. So the natural heritage is concerned about us using Dicod because of the potential effect. Dicod is what's called a, what is it? It'll kill everything. It's a general, a broad base, broad spectrum. So it doesn't target a certain type of plant. And that's problem because you can kill everything in the pond, which we have. We over treated it a year and a half or two years ago and it's got that where we had a different bender and things were not done properly. We changed genders. You're too much. Yeah. So you can, it's always a balance. I personally, I cringe at using chemicals for these types of things, but we don't have much of a choice. There are other methods, as Brad was saying, divers. There are methods about putting things on the sediment prevent things from growing with all these other kind of mechanical or can pull their way too expensive. We can't do them. And it's hard to get them to be effective for a very large area. So if you have small, you know, pond like the size of this room, sure. But it's my pond. But it's not going to go. It's not going to go. All right. Yeah. I can also appreciate what she killed everything. Then if you want to make the door for more invasive because that's why they're invasive. So again, it's just people. I know we're hoping that it makes a nice environment for the ones that are the natural ones. The native grow back, but it doesn't always. You're right. Sometimes it just makes a different invasive. I need a solution. All right. All right. I'm going to move to the next. I'm just going to do this grass. I think it's fine. No, it's fine. Bill. Bill. Chair, committee. I guess excessive nutrients seem to be the theme. And Hills pond is a unique water body because it has no outflow. Primarily a stormwater management and rain, cash in it, body. This result for nutrients are allowed to increase very quickly. They're at the wetland, the end of Churchill, that controls that inflow, if you will, some degree. But because there's minimal activity in the pond and current in the pond, the rest of it has a tendency to get to the point of nutrition for patients where they haven't yet. So algae blooms are an issue, chemical treatments, as well as we have an aeration system in the pond, helps control the algae bloom, as well as keeping any invasive pond weeds in check. So if you did new assistance of the water body fund, it's pretty vital to maintain the health of this particular pond due to its unique character as well in terms of purpose of the seasonal water body. Thank you. And we're requesting the fiscal year 25, $6,000, which is just a modest increase from last year's budget. And that's for paying a vendor in Water and Wetland to come out and monitor the pond monthly. Actually, no more. Weekly. No, every two weeks. I forgot the frequency. Frequently so that we can monitor for the algae, as well as the health of the pond itself, and do aquatic treatments as necessary during that time, and then also making sure that the area isn't working on the next year's budget. And replacing tubing or whatever we need to keep those questions on this pond. And that's a monotony. That's fine. Sorry. If you don't know. Call for that. I don't see any hands up. I'm seeing a question. So we'll go on to MacLennan. MacLennan Park Detention Ponds. I'm Rhys Brooke. They're on page 26 of your report. And many of you are familiar with these ponds. They were originally created a number of years ago when the landfill was closed there. And they were created as stormwater detention ponds, but also as a naturalized and restored area for wildlife. The ponds require a new survey to determine if the conditions differ from the design. Unfortunately, way back when DPW was supposed to monitor it and do a survey and figure out what should be the maintenance of these ponds. And that was never done. So we're now trying to survey them and find out are they designed the way they were supposed to be designed? Are they still functioning? Are they doing what they need to do? And this is a CPA application that the Department of Planning and Community Development submitted to do this survey. And if awarded, then these funds will pay for that survey in 2024. And I think you're hearing about CPA later. So I won't elaborate unless there are questions on that. The other thing that the Conservation Commission is directly coordinating with is it's making a buffer strip, making and monitoring a buffer strip around the water body, a no-mo zone for habitat values. And we have a modest amount of money in the budget, $5,000, to support this and other efforts that may come from the study that the Conservation Commission is trying to create a buffer strip. So the $5,000 will be in addition to the CPA funds. Yes. OK, questions on employment? Grant. I think the study is an excellent idea because we're trying to maintain stuff that we don't have a plan for maintaining. So I think it's a great idea, even whatever the cost. What's the timing of the study? So the study should be 20 to 2024. They would have to finish it by June 30th of 2025, right? If they get CPA funds this year? They can continue this year. They start this fiscal year. I always get confused with the fiscal year. So maybe Madam Chair, no. So if they get CPA funds. It's starting July, I think. It will be starting in July. July? I think it's schedule contractor. And they have to finish it by June 30th of 2025. Yeah. I think she's right. Sometimes it goes over. OK. When we did Cook's, we had to finish it by June. That's the fiscal year. I don't know yet. Oh, wait. What's going on? Oh, that's fine. OK. I can't tell you. It will start in 2024. That I do know. So if it's approved, it would start in 2024. With a reasonable chance finishing. But because it's a survey, it's not doing the work. I'm sorry. We're doing the work. Yeah. Yeah. Other questions. OK. Sorry. If I could just ask a quick question. The detention ponds at McClendon how old are they? 20 years. 20 years maybe. I have to look that up. I don't remember exactly. It's when the landfill was closed there. So this has been a problem that's been going on for a long time. Now it's getting to a point where somebody needs to do something about it. Yeah. So what's happened is these ponds are a nice amenity.  People love to walk around there. But it's supposed to be to hold, you know, flood waters and stuff like that. We are now getting a lot more flooding. We're getting complaints from residents about flooding. We're getting complaints that these ponds are silty. We don't know. They talk about the water levels rising. So, and we did do some studies a number of years ago, if you might remember those, if you get were on the fin calm, maybe five years ago, we did a study in the ecological study. We did a study in the ecological study. We did a study in the ecological study. We did a study around maybe five years ago. We did a study in the ecological study just to find out. Are these things affecting the ecology of these ponds because they are a resource area? And the answer there was no. So we did some chemistry. We did some habitat evaluation. And things look healthy. But the storm water piece wasn't, wasn't studied. It wasn't functioning as a storm water detention. That wasn't a question. So now we need to study that. Also because of the MS4 permits, which some of you are aware of, that the town needs to comply with. They need to have a plan, a monitoring plan for these detentions. So. And so the $5,000, it's really just more of an, is it more of an ecological survey than it is to study whether or not the storm water is running correctly? Oh, the $5,000 is not for a survey. That's separate from the CPA. So the CPA, which you'll hear later, is a lot more money and that's for the survey. So the $5,000 is almost a contingency for us to maintain the NOMO area for the habitat. And if there's some small things we could do, like signage or whatever that DPW comes up with, that can help them or through the CPA survey, it can help them. So it's more of a contingency. No, thank you. And I just wanted to make sure I understood how the funds were being spent. I thought $5,000 for storm water. I agree. Thank you. Yeah. My favorite question is $40,000. Other questions on the fund. So I'm going to go on to the Mystic River. So part of the Mystic River, as well as the Mystic Lakes, which we all know and they are a resource of ours. I will just start this with where we're not requesting any budget for the Mystic River because we have other funding sources, but I'll just explain what we're doing and what the other funding sources are very briefly. So the Mystic River water quality is generally acceptable. According to DEP standards. Those of you who have been on me, think on for a while may remember the Mystic River front restoration project, which we got grant money from the state to build a storm water swale and in a rest restorative area right by the river, where we had an oil spill years ago. And that area is being maintained. We actually had severe storms in 2023. I went down there a few times, Bill Copperthorne, our account engineer, went down there a few times, you know, to make sure everything is functioning and it is, which is great. DPW has taken over maintaining that area. Maintenance is basically removing invasives because they have to grow in the swale and in the infrastructure that we built, the main infrastructure to help clean the water, then that's not going to work. You know, you have trees growing now. So they've taken over that maintenance, which is, which is very helpful. So over the years, DPW has taken a watershed approach to the Mystic. I have to, because of course we've got Medford, other towns along the Mystic, Winchester, and they've been installing infiltration trenches in East Arlington to help, that's upstream to help clean the water before it gets to the Mystic River. They have an aleife, right, an aleife. They've included, they've installed 88 infiltration trenches. These are green infrastructure. And actually the town of Arlington was recognized from 2023 as the winner of a stormwater award because of this work, which has been spearheaded by Wayne Shuanard, who's our town engineer. They plan to, there is a little diagram to just show you where all the trenches are, but they plan to add 30 additional ones in 2024. And these are to be in compliance with the MS4 general permit. And monies for these come from lots of different areas. They come from DEP grants. They come from section 604, the water quality management grant, coastal zone management grants, different areas. So that's why we're not requesting money from the water bodies fund to support this effort. So we will just continue to support DPW in these efforts, but we're not requesting much. Charlie. Thank you. So, first of all, I would like to comment is that I thought your report was fantastic. Really, a complete, well done, understandable in most respects. The one thing I would like to get an explanation of how do the infiltration trenches work? What specifically do they accomplish? Well, unfortunately, we don't have an engineer here, but I'll do the best I can. So very simply, they create a space for the water to go through soil, for the initial flush of the water to go through, through gravel and soil. And going through that takes particles from the initial flush and the initial flush generally comes from, you know, roadways. So there's a lot of tire particles that have nasty chemicals on them. It comes from material. Right. Organic material. It comes from lawns and things that have fertilizers and nutrients. And it traps that in the soil. And then it has some kind of a function underneath to hold particles so that when the water slowly percolates and comes out to go into the storm drains, it doesn't take the particles with them. Now, these trenches need to be cleaned sometimes, you know, depending how their, what their structure is. So some trenches need to be cleaned annually. Some trenches don't. They've got trees and things in them that are supposed to help take some of the nasty chemicals. And I don't know which, which are which, but that's kind of. Any program to reduce nutrients. Right. So thank you very much for that explanation. So. Can these infiltration trenches be employed in other areas like to help protect spypond or. Maybe. So one of the reasons they put them, I understand they put them in the store. How to do with the soil quality and the soil levels and the depth. So there are some engineering concerns and hydrogeology that affect where you can put them. But yeah. Thanks. So I, I don't know. Yeah. That would be a question for engineering. Yeah. Wayne would love to, love to participate on this, but I can't. I have one more question. And that is. You're, you're asking for about $120,000, right? And the man town manager's budget has $50,000. How managers budget for. Well, his, his documents that he has posted. It has the water bodies. $50,000. The war article didn't have a mountain. That's what I saw. I didn't see his. So I don't. That's yours. Yeah. Right. Yeah. He does. He does have water bodies. 50. They're asking for 120. The budget last year was 50. Maybe. Yeah. So he's got 50,000 in there for water bodies. I'm just asking. We can have a war here or. What, what is the. I deferred it. She's next in line. And then Alan Jones, go ahead. So this has happened with. It appears every single. Committee budget. The new town manager did not realize that. This information doesn't come to him before. It comes to town meeting. And so he did this across the board. Where he just level funded stuff. You have the same issue. But with the HRC and the conversation. And we had last time it was here. You brought that up. So he has not, has assumed. That nothing is changing in any of the committees. Because no one came to him. And so I had to explain to him that. People haven't come to any of the town managers in the past. Around this is my understanding. And that what you're requesting is something new. So that's true across the board for any of these committees or commissions. So. Not just the water bodies who are foreign. But both foreign articles together. How do they fit into the five year plan? I mean, I haven't done that analysis. You have to. You have to look at that one. Plan. Everything else being equal changes. So. You have some money has to come. Some arbitration. It has to take place. And that's been going on for decades. I'm not saying it's not. I'm just trying to understand where we are. Thank you very much. Great report. I don't remember. If somebody asks again, then I'll. I only want to quickly mention that our 10 engineer, Wayne, is a special.  Sand from here to the Charles River and the basin. And. I don't remember. Somebody asks again. I don't. I only want to quickly mention that our 10 engineer, Wayne, is a special. Oh. So. Questions you have. And. Well, they have to go with those models. So. Just plan from here to the Charles River and the basin. And so it's easy. It's an easy resource for putting in these charges. Anything else that you need. Covering tonight. Does anyone have any remaining questions. I have one. It's prioritization. Okay. We have two. We have two. We have one at Elwys. And at McLean we have neighbors who are. Suffering from flooding and sewer. Overflows. Would you say to the argument that we shouldn't be spending any money on. Hills or spy or the reds. But that we should be throwing all of our money to those two You want to answer? Well, I think theailwork is a complicated issue because most of the water comes from other tools. There's a process in place to develop a new plan for the next year's study on going down. Today, like the settlement planning, theailwork, the state money, organized by the Mr. Drift was, so I think next ongoing efforts there outside of the water by the stream. Right. The combined sewer overflows that cause a lot of flooding. None of them are not. We don't really have direct control. So we really just have to input. We have to be players in with these other communities, which we are. I mean, I know. There's a front development of long term control plan at the state level. And we did get money for that. Yeah. And we're supporting that. We're supporting that efforts. Right. And the Clinton, what we're trying to do. Through the CPA grant is really figure out the root cause of what why this isn't working because I think anything else would be abandoned. And we feel as the water bodies group, we don't have that expertise. The local department of public works and the engineers who need to, to, to get active on that. Frankly, we've been trying to light a fire under them. Our number of years about this. And we had been unsuccessful until the new MS. What permits came out and town needs to comply with them. So now we're, we're more successful. In that respect. And I feel that. money at it because we don't have the expertise in the water bodies group to do that work. It's better to go through the CPA with GPW because those are the engineers, like I'm sorry. I don't remember your name. The gentleman down there said Wayne Schoenard, not only is he an expert, he is an expert in the state. People have used his designs in other municipalities because they're so innovative. So we have to leave it where the expertise is. I think. I also mentioned that the state has made about $100,000 to study the airway flooding sedimentation issues. Nothing managed, but in Michigan, so those efforts on the way to try to pick scale work. All right. Well, thank you very much. I appreciate it. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. Thank you. I'm sorry. No. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Have a good evening. Good to see you. It's nice to see you too. Have fun. Thank you. Hello. Okay. So that was. I'm tired. He has quite a bit of fun. The only reason I have to be here. I've been in bed by now. I have. So I want committee. And the money lanes over here. I have your presentation and behind you. Behind me. Yes. Okay. So I am going to turn this over to the chair. And thank you very much. Leslie can be back here. She said I want to thank you. That's my bad time. So there are some of my wonderful. Many members. It also includes. Leslie there. And as you all know. You want me to open next slide? Next slide. And then the next slide. As you all probably know. open space and recreation and community housing. And the next chart shows what we have to spend every year, 10%, I mean, that's great. And it's on a CPAC administrative example, and only 25%. And basically so we can spend 65% of what things will be more. Next slide, please. And so in the housing category. Where we're very proud that we have had. A very good spark. They're almost all of our. I'm going to be housing. And I mean, spark, because we don't have that much money, but we bring in a lot of money. And Annie will now tell us how we get the money. I will tell you how you did last year. Yeah, but that's how I meant in terms of our matching funds. Oh, leverage, leverage. Yeah. So leverage is what happens when you're able to put a lot of money into say the pot of money needed to finance building construction, and that makes it easier for, especially if it's money that doesn't make it easier for your property and cash flow, cash flow being that whatever. So that's coming into the property matches the expenses. Mortgage. This is a mortgage. Makes it look better than being a tax commercial support as well. And other things. So. So. And in fact, a lot of. Both CPA money and CDD money. Produces a lot of leverage. With the state internal government. And it's the reason we have so many projects. And this first one is the beginning of a project like that for special needs. That will be probably located. Where you see it on the left. And the idea is to have a small house that will be. Really for really needy. People. And we are giving the housing authority $200,000. And they are leveraging that. And the next slide is sunny side. Which I'm sure you all have seen. And this is going to be a wonderful project down in East Darlington. And it's got a roof garden and. It's an old industrial site that's been cleaned up. And we're giving. And this is our second. Contribution to the HCA. For 500,000. Okay. Right. They also were very concerned about. Starting and keeping up a homeless. Prevention. Program that they've started. So we gave them 50,000, which is what they asked for. And then next slide. Oh, sorry. Yeah. Okay. So we'll do a little bit of. HCA homeless. And then the next one. Is the summer. Summerville homeless coalition. Wonderful organization. The heaven actually lives in Arlington. And what this is is a rental differential. So that landlords always know they're being paid. a difference between the rate that they would pay and what they can afford to pay in. So is this sort of similar to what Section 8 culture review or something along those lines? In other words, it supplements the revenue for the tenant? Yeah, basically that's what it's doing, but it's they get to know the owners of the units and the owners of the units know that they will be getting their money. So it's a very successful program. They've worked successfully with the, you know, in the New Garwoods where we had a lot of homeless lives and they got them out of there and got them house. And then, yes, Michael. How long did 16,800 dollars last? One year. So they've been coming to us for a while, always for this sort of burning sums. No, it's been between 16 and 26,000 a year as great organization. Next slide, please. This is the Shea House, which is on Wellington Street. It's actually owned by the Salvation Army. And what we're doing them is replacing their roof. And it's, again, it's a good home. And it's a very good neighbor. And it's a beautiful old house. All right, let's stop there and ask if anyone has questions on the housing projects, grants, and then we'll back down. Thank you. Just one. The very first property that you, what was the address? It's right by Malthus and Cemetery. It's Chestnut Manor. Chestnut Manor. It's the front of Chestnut Manor. Okay. On... Mentor Street, but then... Mentor Street? Mentor Street, I think. It comes from Mentor Street. It's still mentored at that point. The Chestnut Manor's address is on... I'm sorry, where is it? We haven't had the address for... Mentor Street. It's Mentor Street. It's right before Mentor Street. And right after is Malthus and Cemetery. I think I know it. Okay. If you see the brick wall from Malthus and it's right before that. All right. Thank you. Rebecca. I have a question about that thing property. So it's currently... It's that open space. So this will be to fill an entire building and... A small building. Excuse me? About how many residents are in fact... I can't remember exactly. Five. Five individual units or five people that's board of house and what's shared? No, five rooms within a house. Yeah. Thank you. I don't... This needs a lot of care. So does this mean that that sidewalk will disappear? That access to the senior housing behind it? I think these are very preliminary plans. Certainly ask. Okay. There is a fair amount of land behind that white house. And that may be where they're putting it rather than where the sidewalk is. We were just given this picture. Okay. It's at the beginning and I'll ask them. Yeah. They may be able to build it on the land. Yeah. Jack Nagel is very cooperative. And I think he will be able to play to get a question. Jennifer. So I also think the Somerville Homes Coalition is a great organization. But you said very quickly that the homeless population where our woods was no longer there. Is that right? I'm sorry. I didn't move our woods. So there's no longer homeless population. I remember... I wouldn't say that. Okay. I remember in the previous years it was we shanked people. See who was willing. And that was then only a small percentage of the people there were willing to... I look whenever I drive by. Okay. And I see charts. Yeah. Okay. You know it's... Yeah. Especially the winner. I know it's okay. Okay. No. I have no idea. Other questions, Michael? These projects are all composed by entities, organizations, non-profits, they all submit an application to be considered. Yes. Has no one submitted an application for the at-laws? It's not that well... I'm going to ask that by CPS. I'd like to see the at-laws. That's actually... That's a very complicated project. Has anyone submitted an application to that? It doesn't... It's only a place to be asked. It's privately owned. You'd have to ask the redevelopment board why it's falling apart. We've actually had somebody come to us to ask us to please make it a project, but I've talked to their lawyer and I can't answer them. Go ahead. Backward to the ideas. Go ahead. The 10th sunny side, the $500,000. What was the $500,000 being used for? Was it planned for construction? Construction. The plans are pretty much done. Very good architecture and feel. I was just curious what the $500,000 was going for. It'll be nice to finally get that garage moved from that area. Sure, I will. Will that... So it looks as if the first floor will be lobby and parking? Because the front half of that building is in the flood zone. Yes. Although they don't think it's in the flood zone. It is if you look around. That's what everybody tells me. That's not my jurisdiction. But I have been told that before. John. Yeah, I think you mentioned that there was already... That's the second $500,000 grant for that project. No, as you said. I'm just curious. Does Arlington retain any rights when they turn over this money? Or does it just go right to the HCA? No, it doesn't. We do watch where our money's done. Christine and I have to look at absolutely every invoice. I have to sign off on every invoice. But the only sort of rights we have for CPA is a historic preservation where they have to give us an preservation piece. When you say you sign off on a reimbursement, just curious. Because I would think that the HCA is paying the bills and building it. So when you say invoice, is it just the $500,000 invoice? Or is it just the $500,000? Yeah, we don't pay more there. I understand. I wasn't when you said invoice. We wouldn't have any money. Building materials and everything now. I mean, you can look at the last stage of this and you'll see. I mean, we're a very good variance. A little over $2 million, if you got it. Yeah, so HCA takes control. We're just talking about a reputable organization. And this was a better plan. Thank you. Certainly. And I don't know whether this was part of what you were getting at, John. But you understand that what the system of use is permissible and affordable. At 80% though, actually 60%. It's all affordable. 60% of AMI. 60% of AMI? I think so. Yeah. So 60% of the area needed income would be 12. So 60% of the area needed income or below is the income limit for the benefits. So it's kind of a, yeah. Sure. And then Housing Corporation of Orlando and Tennessee, that's what they've done. I would guess that they're actually going to own the property. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. And they have a lot of, a lot of good affordable new buildings and things that I always say, CPA was the spark because we're the local match and they don't get state or federal money without a local match. So with our 500,000 that we gave last time, they got a lot of money to do the design plans and the construction. Yeah. No, it looks like a youth building. Yeah. I agree. Let's go off to historic. Yeah. No, open space. Open space. I think open space. No. Let's work from there. Nope. Wait a minute. The digitizing. I'll go backwards. Okay. And then this is the historic preservation section and the clerk has come to us to ask for getting the marriage records digitized and preserved. You can see from the picture that there are terrible books. And anytime they're asked for information, they have to get the old books out and copy them. And so we're granting her the 77,000 to start digitizing and will not pay for everything. And I can't remember how many years it pays for it. Do you remember? This is what we have for ask. Yeah. I think her ask was for a specific number of years, but I don't remember. I'll give a sense of just 5% of the records or 20% or 1% or something. She didn't say, but she did say to getting them out of the basement, which if anybody's been down in the basement of town, it's not just the marriage records, but all that stuff. I just wonder, is this a 50-year project? I'll ask her next time. I think she might be back. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It seems like this is maybe every year. Yeah. I mean, just one of the things about CPA is it allows the many valuable pieces of paper that we have and haul that we did such. And the planning department has come and started doing that process with some of their larger own maps. So it's something that we encourage. We're not the only municipality reading this. No, we're not. We certainly are. No, and the Boston Public Library actually is putting together a fund that's sort of grant program to help people with this. And yeah. So I gave that information to Julian to try to get more money, of course. Okay. The next preservation project is something that we started a while ago. And that's the Winterfield, Winterfield Province Memorial Garden Restoration. As you know, that wonderful pool, reflecting pool was redone mostly thanks to our town manager, Jim Thule, who oversaw the work very carefully. And this is the rest of it, which is to restore the flooding that was trampled on. The garden was originally designed by the Olmstead Brothers, which is a famous landscape architecture firm. And this should finish off the project. So we're very excited about it. And then the last preservation project is the Foot of the Rocks Fibre Memorial. And there's someone here who knows much more about it than I do. Actually a couple of people that know much more about it than I do. But this is a very important place in Arlington. I first learned about it from Howard Lincoln. And Howard used to tell me, Larissa, you've got to do something about Foot of the Rocks. And then he moved in to do what he calls West Arlington, which is actually Lexington. But he thinks of himself as an Arlingtonian. And I told him that Al Tosti was now doing it for him. So this is a very exciting project because if you know the history of Arlington, the bloody battles started here. And then when I went down to the Basin Russell House, and maybe we'll talk about that a little later. But it's a very exciting project. Questions on historic location? Caroline, Michael, and Charlie. The designs for this was really cool. Like, I was one of the people that voted on which designs I liked better than others. So that was something. I can't tell it was a landscape work. Yeah, it was very fun to see that and play around. Oh, no, I think I like this one. No, I like this one better. It's a wonderful guy. Michael. Does this remove some of the mature trees that are behind the monologue or not? I think I recall seeing what I would. But they weren't part of the original. Oh, I don't think. I think it removes them now, unless they were normally made. But I don't think so. Charlie, they're great trees, but I don't think the Olmsteads. No, they didn't play at all. Going back to the digital unitization of those records. This is probably not in the purview of the CBA committee, but is anybody thinking about how to maintain the integrity of the digital records over time? I have in my own house. I've got different media that put records on. You can't read it anymore because they don't make those things. That was a big topic of discussion in the committee. We are hoping that the people that get these grants are thinking about that and also planning for it. So that the work, the money that we're spending is thought about as part of the maintenance, your re-maintenance. I know it's not your problem, but it's something you have to worry about. Other questions on historic preservation? I have a question. Where does, in your grand scheme, the town hall? In my heart. I see there's no money for it this year. There was no ask this year. I'm hoping there will be an ask again as probably, you know, soon the people is going to be gone and we will be not as distinguished a building as it gets taken down and it's been digitized already. That whole, you know, all the ways that it's put together and it will be put back eventually. But there's an awful lot of work to do in town hall. And I'm hoping that the town hall will come back to CPA to ask for more money. That's my hope. It's a very important project. I'll talk to you then, John. I just want to mention about the foot of the rocks. It's one of those things that just, you know, nobody ever stopped to look at a plaque in the rock and they can hardly read. But on April 19th, 1775, it's about almost 249 years ago, as the British were retreating from Concord and Lincoln in Lexington, 1,800 British soldiers were confronted with 1,700 militia organized from 35 companies from all over Eastern Massachusetts. And it was, it was a battle. You know, Lexington was a mistake. Lincoln and Concord were skirmishes. Burlington was a battle. And it started bloody mile all the way down through the Jason Russell house. I'm hopeful that we can get this construction project going in July to finish for April 19, 2025. I think we're doing okay now. We're looking for private donations. We'd like to get four $25,000 donations. So if anybody's looking for good tax deduction, this is an ideal place. Well, it's optimistic. I'm in the construction deal. If he gets it done by April next year, a year after, I will eat my hat now. I'll make sure it's really tasty. The thing is, it's going to be a wonderful thing for Arlington. That's the most important thing, whether it's done by the birthday date or not. Even if it has to be up 2025 November, try to get it done. And I bought two lottery tickets. So we'll see. John and then now I'm done. Yeah, thank you. I actually have two questions. So the first is, what is the coordination between the CPA and the Calvary Planning Committee? Just because I would think that they have a lot of shared goals. So do they coordinate? They, yes. And they do coordinate. Usually they give us all their parts and recreation projects to fund. But we work cooperatively and we talk to each other. Both Chris Moore, who's now the chair, and I talk about it. No, it's very collaborative.  We send our information to the capital planning. And if need be, they call us into their meeting. Got it. Thanks. And then the second thing was, as Christina mentioned, you know, the town hall, like we had heard another session that, you know, some of the CPA money potentially could be used to fix town hall, which it sounds like it's in pretty rough shape. So, but I thought I heard a pretty large price tag for that repair. So I was just wondering, should maybe some of this money be put aside for that project? Yeah. And I think it should be in capital planning as well as the CPA money is, you know, we have $2 million. I believe capital planning has a little bit more. That much more. But it seems like nobody's putting it aside for, you know, $10 million bill. That we have, yeah. Which all you need to do is go into the clerk's office and look at their move, go into the select board office now in the boardroom and look up at all the water damage. Yes.  We have a big need. Yeah. And that's why I keep hearing it. But I'm just wondering, like, you know, Francis, like, you know, the monotony rocks aren't played, I think Gary, that's wonderful. Awesome. Great. But would that be better to be put that put aside for city hall? I mean, to fix town hall. And, you know, obviously you need more than $400,000, but the $400,000 starts to add up.  Yeah, we have to, we have to be asked. I mean, that's one of the things we wait until we get the applications. And we try to at least give some money to every application. So no one would request to be, you know, any money. Not this year. We did, we did the funding of the CUCA World Bank, you know, and the, the plans and digitization of that work. Okay. Thank you. All right. Allen Jones and then Michael and Jennifer, your child. I was actually thinking April 19th, I sure it'd be a really good time for groundbreaking, for open shelves, all that. So the question about four rocks, was there, is there sufficient coordination with the redesigned and intersectional is going around saying that. In fact, I was the landscape architect, because we were a small group in Boston. He asked me of something else. And he was very excited about the traffic calming stuff that was happening at Appleton, and how that was going to change the intersection. Because he felt that it would be more room for the rocks, which is great. Is there any consideration for the space created in front of Nicole Pizza? There's going to be like, you know, maybe that's a later. Maybe, I mean, I don't think that at the moment. And then the second question is more a longer term related to that. And then there was some, I heard some discussion about potentially CPA committee bonding larger projects, and then doing a debt service for future. Yeah. Well, Mr. Tosti called me about bonding this year. And I reminded him that when we adopted CPA, it was the finance committee that told us we shouldn't be bonding. Who was the chair of that? I don't know. He'd been there for a long time. In other words, no serious dissolution. What's the most serious? I must have missed that. It was brought in front of the committee, and the committee had never bonded. And we thought that probably town hall would be a good one to bond. But basically what bonding will do with a little amount of money we have is make the pot much smaller for other. Other subjects. So, you know, buying a new barn land, doing town hall. I think that was good. Thank you. Michael. Steven, Al's question about coordinating with road design in the same area, there might be a way to bring back the water and trough that was removed from the scene by what was it? An automobile. An old swivel, I think. Not really the right way to do landscape work. But they had pieces there for an awful long time. Pieces have been collected, and they might end up at a reconfigured foot of Appleton and the street that goes up beside the church. I'll take out the name of that street. Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah. Anyway, there might be a pump out there.  That could be a place where, where that landmark, which was a gift to the town from Carolisa and Third Robbins. They're all, you know, a gift to the town that really deserves to be maintained, restored and, you know, put back up the way it was built. Jennifer, just a quick question. So foot around the park, it's just, it's very small, it feels like. And I was just wondering, there, what's the perception of how many people gather in there and where they park and, you know, so if it is to become an attraction that we really like to draw people to, how many people put it in there? Well, I don't know how many people exactly. We should show you the design. It's a wonderful design. I've been looking at the design, and I go into the space. My mind is very small, but I don't know when it's redesigned. Obviously, it's going to look different. What we're doing is making the usable space, the closet in front, which is on Mass Avenue, much bigger and making, you know, having walls and an accessible path through the site and upstairs in the back. So it's a much more usable space than you could imagine now. And with our being across the parking, do we know? Well, you're not concerned about parking. We imagine people, you know, getting out to see it on foot. There'll be much more space available in that very acute angle as we push back away from Mass Avenue and raise the grade of that very severe fall off. There's enough room for interpretation. And there's an excellent woman engineer working on that Appleton street who happens to be that part of my working from Mass Stop, I believe. Charlie. This is not about foot on the rocks, but a historical project. Didn't the CBA really undertake improvement of the cemetery next to the UU church number of years? Is that project now complete? Pretty much. I didn't hear the question. Is the work in the cemetery in the old bearing ground complete? Yes. Yes. That what they got was the A grant for yes. There are some other ideas. And George, can you tell them about the British soldiers? There are 40 British soldiers from the battle on 19th of April, 1775. We're buried in a mass grave. We have historical literature that supports that. We also have physical evidence. We get ground penetrating radar studies of the old bearing ground. And you can actually see where it is disturbed soil just about where the historical records say these guys were buried. In addition, you can also see two other individual graves, and they probably represent the two British soldiers that were wounded in the battle. And because no antibiotics, they inevitably died, but they died weeks later. And the town of Arlington kind of not only then took care of them until they died, and then petitioned the state legislature for funds to for funds to become to compensate the town for their care. I've raised about a little over $10,000 for this memorial. The first order, first payment went in quite recently. It's going to be very much like the enslaved people's monument. One of the innovations on it is on the reverse of the monument. There's going to be a porcelain flat that has a QR code that will lead people to a webpage at the Arlington Historical Society that I still have to talk to Alan about. But there'll be more information about who was buried there, the battle, who funded this. It's a lot cheaper than $8 a letter in Granite. This is not a CPA project. No. This is, I mean, that's one of the things about the Jason Russell House and the Arlington Historical Society is they are very good about getting grants to compliment any CPA work. And they've done a wonderful job of it. And they turned back money to the CPA. Thank you. All right. Open space. Okay. Open space. McLennan. This is a small grant, but it's to start beginning to fix up the McLennan detention pond. And a survey means it's going to be probably a bathymetric survey to find out how much sediment there is in the pond in order to clean it up and then have it work effectively. Next slide is the public land management. This is the second grant to the planning department for a real look at how our public lands are managed. And they had another grant. I think it was about 50 to 75,000 a couple of years ago. And they figured they couldn't really complete their work. So they've asked for a second phase of the work. And I think it's a wonderful thing because one of the hardest things for us in Arlington is having open space that we don't maintain. And so we need to get going on it. The next one, next slide. The Minuteman Bikeway redesign at Ryder Street and Edwards Arena. This actually came in as a higher request. But because it's part of the Minuteman Bikeway, it still is owned by the MBTA. And any kind of work on the bikeway has to be approved by the MBTA. And so we decided to give the planning department $50,000 to look into the project to understand how expensive it is because you have to put up insurance. We actually had a CPA project up in the heights adjacent to one of the new housing corporation projects that we funded and couldn't be built because the teacher turned it down. So this sounds like a great idea, but it's complicated. So we gave them $50,000 to begin to do some more studying of it. It's also at Ryder Street, which is no public way. So it's even more complicated. But I think it's a good idea. That area could be a really nice place to sit and stop. And it's right by the Arlington. So I think it's a good idea, but we didn't fully fund it. The next one is Rosby Park. And this was the controversial one at the year because the Park and Recreation Commission had it open. They showed a design that had, I think, maybe four basketball courts and a lot of pickleball. We got a lot of neighbors on the, when we were reviewing it, what it really is, is just the beginning. And they need to go. Park and Recreation needs to go back and really do the beginning to have public meetings to find out what the neighbors want, what the neighbors don't want. They don't want a lot of pickleball, I can tell you that. I think people have been reading about it in the globe. I haven't worked, I've worked in a lot of communities and all I hear is about pickleball and noise. So anyway, I know that the Park and Recreation will go and have their usual process of going to the community, hiring somebody to do some designs, going to the community and finding out if this is what they want. So that's the first step in the law open project. Next slide. And the last one is Menonomy, Rocks, Park, Play and Picnic Area and $400,000. I believe there are at least two people in this room that built the one that had to be torn down because it was, I guess it's prime, but it's a wonderful area. It's a place where you can have a shaded playground. My son who's now 37 was very upset when the spaceship was taken down because it wasn't safe. It was a metal thing that you could fall and hurt yourself. And he's never gotten over the loss of his spaceship. But playgrounds have to be replaced. They say 15 years, but this one was 30 years old. So I think this is going to be a good process. I think it's in a great place and people like to go and have a picnic there and enjoy the woods. And so those are our projects. And Christina is here to answer any questions about once I answer questions about open space, she can answer any questions about the money. And it's just a time. Let's have questions. Oh, yeah. Thank you. I had a question about Crossley Park. You said this is just the beginning, but just to get a sense for how large the project will eventually be, are you just looking at the heart surface of Crossley? Or is it also a sport field and a playground and all of that? It's the playground, but it's not a sports field. It's like a lot of sports. Thank you. You're welcome. Hello, John. Oh, thank you. The McClellan Detention Plan Survey. Water bodies are just here and they're requesting $5,000 to work around that same park. Is there any overlap there? I don't know. I think they were talking about signage and naming the NOMOSome, so it's not related to the survey. Okay. I assume, you know, it's David Morgan. He's very careful, but I will ask him now. Yeah, okay. And then a general question, and I think this probably answers, the plans are considered to be open space under the CPA. So going forward, if water bodies had a fairly larger project, they maybe should come to the CPA. So I don't say if you let, if it's okay. It's quick. So we had a water body set a meeting Thursday night, and we were presented the details about that by David Morgan. So, yes, there's, there's a lot more. And the $5,000 is for the land around it to keep, to create, prevent them from mowing and make some signage. But the order. Yeah. Okay. So the Minuteman path between Ryder Street, that's got to be designed. It sounds like it might be some more, like more of a rust area. Is that kind of a good general? That's, that was his idea. It's a great idea because it's a, you know, place.  And then I'm just curious, both Rodby and, you know, saying it's open space, I think about it's more black. It is, but, but it's open space recreation. Okay. But it's just, that would have just kind of. Yeah. I mean, when CPA started, it was just open space because there was a certain Senator, Senator who said, I don't want all this money going to those yellow trucks because she thought it would be all be used for maintenance. But then, and I, you know, CPA was signed in 2001 and then it was amended and after that sometime in that decade to make sure it was recreation and open space. Okay. No, I meant more just, you had some label as recreation and some as open space. Oh, I see. Rodby was open space. Oh, I see. I can't put out of you. Rox Park is obviously open space. Yeah. Playgrounds was talking to us more about it. I should have been more careful. I was just here. Thank you. What last question that goes, last year. How much money have been outweighed for Hills Hill? Because I know there's more to come up. Well, we haven't outweighed all of the money yet. I realize that. But that's what I'll say because it's. Do you know how much has been outweighed? Pre-survey, I don't know. It's mostly the design work. Yeah. They have to come back to us before they can. I realize that. Yeah. But one of the things, there's been a lot of staff turnover in my beloved little committee. And Christine is doing two people's jobs for a little bit longer. And I'm hoping eventually to have a database with all the CPA projects and a description of them all and some way for people to Google it so they know exactly what we spent.  But I don't think that's going to happen yet. All right. Thank you. I'm very grateful to Christine. Michael. You mentioned the oversight of making sure that every invoice gets approved before it gets paid.  Do you look and say, you know, this pathway that was supposed to lead up to the church's community room so that it could be a resource to the community to the community room to get built? I have had a really good construction supervisor for a very long time. He just became town manager in August. So we will have to make sure that that happens if he's not doing it on the slide. He loves construction. So we'll see. But you're right, Michael. We have to find somebody to do it. That'll be my job. When she has some help. All right. Allen Jones. Well, I only mentioned to reassure you, yes, and all of the products that are in the Jason Musselhouse, there's been detailed inspection of everything. So make sure that that's correct. So wait. Oh, wait. I understand. I'm not as professional as projects that happen on the product. All right. Any more questions? All right. Thank you very much for your question. Now we have. Battle road. We have battle road. We have tourism and we have 250. So we'll do the battle road. See if my way committee is the three of us. That's why there was so much laughter in the hallway during the water bombs.  All right. Yeah, let's all let's do this. Also a foot of the rock. Yeah. And I'm putting the rocks. So we have three requests. One for 5,000. The tourism committee is 4275, right? Yeah. And the highway is 5,000. And the 250 is the 25,000 now. Yes. All right. So let's just expedite this tourism budget is level funded. So and we have to be provided with a detail of what they set to spend the money on. So let me just ask, does anyone have any questions about the tourism request? The level of funding. You mean they took it? Yeah. Yeah. That's 4275, right? All right. So so let's let's hear from the byway and then the 250. Okay. I usually request 3,000. That's what I've done for the scenic byway. The scenic byway. That road scenic byway. It is a project of Arlington, Lexington, Concord and Lincoln. And Minuteman National Park because that's where the scenic byway goes. What we have done in the past with our $3,000 is we have a wonderful logo of Palmer Bear on the horse. We have a very good website. And the reason I put in 5,000 this year was because our website, which needs to be coordinated with the 250 website, which is on the Chamber of Commons site, is lost in the town of Concord. The website goes with whoever the chair of the Federal Road Scenic Byway was. And I was the chair and the wonderful Allie Carter that secured a low put together a wonderful website. And it needs to be updated needs to be updated with the 250. Information for Arlington. That's what we want to do. And at the moment, I'm not sure where the website. So when your chair, which I was for a number of years, too many. Not enough, exactly. It then went to Concord where the chair was located. And it seems to have disappeared. I think I can get it back. Because the man that designed it is a graphic designer in Arlington. But the idea was to update the website from for the last three years and start putting the 250th work on that website and incorporate what's already in the Chamber of Commerce website and just make it more sort of trying to tell Arlington's story. I always call us the poor sister because now everybody says, oh, the battle road, that's Lexington and Concord and maybe Lincoln. But they forget about Arlington. So I'm tired of that. And we are tired of that. And so the idea is that we would take the website. And honestly, I haven't had time to get a quote from Al Avery, but I will get a quote. And then obviously we would turn back any money that we can use. All right. Questions on city highway, Allen Jones. Just that point. I own the domains Arlington 250.org and Monogamy 250.org. So I can point from wherever the committee wants them to be. Maybe he could do the website. Of course. Save this OBL and you're the only one. I can not believe it. Just. I registered a music. Good for you. Other questions. Okay. I have a few questions. Why would we want, aren't these competing websites for the 250th? Why would they be competing? Why don't need them? I guess, I guess, why, why would we need different websites? And if this go, if this website, it attaches to the scenic highway committee, which is not Arlington centered. It is partially Arlington center. But not entirely. So our other communities putting in extra money to develop. How much are they putting? I don't even want to ask about Arlington. But how much of the other movies? I don't, well, Lincoln won't be put again very much. You know, the 25,000 for the 250th. Sandy Cooler said to me, how much did I ask for next year? I said, oh, I think 25. And he said, well, I had to come up with that finger. I said, this Lexington was 50. So I don't know that it will be helpful, but I think it will be helpful. Arlington 250 is focused on that event and in history. The scenic highway website is focused, is much more broadly focused. It's the road to revolution, not only the American revolution, but revolutions in literature, technology and social things. It's quite, it's quite a bit broader in scope. The website is available on your cell phone. You can actually look at it and we encourage people who are looking at Arlington to take a look at that website because it points out various historic and cultural landmarks in the town. For example, Bill Schwann-Mill wasn't part of the APO 1917-75 bit, but it's on the scenic highway website, as is the Dallin Museum. And tell me again, who controls this website? Well, at the moment, it's been, at the moment, I don't think anybody did. It was in Concord. The person that was doing the work in Concord left. It's now being run by Lincoln and I don't know that they've taken it over, but it was designed in Arlington. I can get it back. So the other thing that's happening is that each town on this battle road, Arlington has our 250 community, Lexington has the 250 community, Concord and Lincoln as well, the National Park doing its thing. I think it's very important that we have some financial resources to take this battle road website, not to compete with these others, but to me, there's a big void for cross-linkage. And it's going to be a huge floodline of publicity on this whole area, starting in, I don't know, six or nine months from now. A lot of tourism coming associated with 250th anniversary of the American Revolution. To me, it's very important that all of these various town activities, including the battle road, are linked up and communicating in a very user-friendly way.  If we're throwing money into this, don't we want a bigger say in how it's controlled? Maybe Lincoln or Concord three years now changes the whole thing again. I don't know what to say. The chair of the battle road, Scenic Byway, has just started and I haven't asked him about that. We didn't ask him, did we? I mean, the website is up and running and we said we don't have it, what do you mean, that nobody knows how to update it? Correct. Correct. All right, any more questions on Scenic Byway? All right, Charlie. Can you somehow describe the impact that Scenic Byway has had on whatever, whether it's tourism or commercial activity or we, did we have any idea that, do we have any metrics? We don't have a metric. I wish we did. One of the things that I actually started at it because of my desire to get more people to come to Arlington to realize that we were just as important in the revolution as our rich sisters were. And I think, you know, we'll see in the birthday, but I think we have to be out there. You can't just say. Yeah, I'm not arguing against it. I'm just asking if we. It's a good question. It's a good question. And we probably offer a visit counter on the website. Yeah. So we can know how many people have entered the website. And maybe in one of those counters and we'll put it in front of the Jason Russell House when birthday weekend comes. Any other questions on the Scenic Byway? All right, let's talk about the 250th. And we've seen a budget and now if you reduce budget, what can you do with the reduced budget? I just, I want to point out that Stuart has joined us online. Yeah, so Stuart on 250, he represents ACAC and 250. And we're also starting by coordinating with, and I just want to point out Jacob Schiller is the monotony men events representative to 250. And Nicole is on it. She's one of our new members. Okay. So for 250, so the 25,000 that we're asking for right now is to cover the second year of the internal municipal agreements. We just had a conversation about how we need to coordinate with our battle road partner communities and elevate ourselves. So that when people come, they're not just coming to Lexington and Concord, but they're coming to Arlington and Concord is one of our big goals. And Lincoln has the National Park too. So we entered into an internal municipal agreement. And this is actually municipal. So it was signed by all four town managers approved by each of the towns and it's with the town staff and that's for marketing and publicity and event coordination. And we also have a lot of cooperation and discussion about things we're going to about transportation and security issues, particularly for 2025 when we're expecting a very large number of people. So the commitment was $25,000 for each of the two years right now. We already did the first 25 and we need the 25 for next year. So that's the 25 we're still asking for. And in conversations more recently with the town manager, just there's new information that we believe that we'll be able to make up the other money that we need without probably coming to the town budget. So for some discussion of the legislators, it looks promising that we'll get some state money, not as much as maybe we want. We'll also be doing some private fundraising. And there could be some other sources of money, for example, from the parking improvement district and some other flows of money that we could access so that we don't have to impose on the town budget for the other 25,000. Okay, any questions? Caroline. So so far we've approved 25,000 for last year. We're looking for 25,000 for this year. But none of that money actually goes to activities within the town. That money is simply for the inter-town organization. That's the future for the agency and the municipalities. Yeah. Which pays for a consultant that's going to help us do the planning and security plans. And so there is a lot of work we are getting for communities to get it. Okay, okay. But that's more consulting, like giving you a plan, it's not. So it's not actually money that will go to the activities in town that will happen at that time. They're planners to help us make sure that they're not doing, they will have staff on site during the event. Oh, they will. Okay. Yeah. But they're not actually running, they will be beside us running the events. Correct. Other questions? So have we, has the town set us on the money for our own activities? For like the events themselves, whatever those events will be? So that'll be the money that we're going to look for for other sources. So I can just tell you too. So we're just, we're getting ready to launch my policy. So for 2024, we were, we were given a little bit of earmark or recovery money. So we did, we're finding part of the, we were able to find part of the monument for the British regulars. So that's considered to the fee project. And then we went out and leader bank is giving us a significant amount of money for this year's Patriots Day events, which are a larger than ever reenactment and a bunch of other stuff that we're going to put out at beer hall and we're promoting restaurants through Tavern League. And we've got, you know, there's toys with Jason Russell house and there's stars and maybe there's something at the Dallas museum. So we've got a pretty good schedule that's coming out. And that's considered a dress rehearsal for 2025 when we want everything to be bigger. But then we also will be doing, and just to put out too, and the, the history is important and that day is important. But we selected a theme of the untold stories for this entire celebration, which is starting in 24 mobile all the way into 26 where we want to talk about, for example, the British soldiers that are buried in a cemetery and people who lived in monotony, you know, Jason Russell had an enslaved person and that's an important story to tell. And David Lamson led the, the wagon capture. And there's a lot of other stories that we want to tell that are both history and contemporary. And so, you know, we'll be looking to, you know, to find work with our community partners. There's a lot of groups interested in doing these kinds of events. ACAC is one of them, you know, they're looking at programming and the potential for spending some of their projects on the 250D right along with the 250D committee. So I know one of the things that we said for this night was a discussion about the coordination between all the committees. And you can see that there's lots of crossover between all of the groups and ATED has always supported the reenactment. We did the lunch for the reenactors. So we're definitely all talking together and we'll be doing that outreach and community events too. Patriot's Day 2024 is just a little over three weeks away from what I'm seeing. There's going to be like a record number of reenactors coming here to start for this year. And we haven't had that in Arlington for a few years with a pandemic and other things. So it could be a really big event and I hope you all get there and see parts of it. And, you know, our aim as a collective group is to expand this story, including going all the way up to the foot of the rocks when 2025 comes around and we start looking at plans for a reenactment then. Just so everybody knows it's starting at Grove Street. They're going to simulate a portion of the money battle this year. It's going to start at Grove Street.  There's the battle with the traditional battle with the Jason Mussel House and then there'll be another flanking maneuver and some more battle reenactment actually in the Town Hall Gardens one. Anything else for any of you want to add? I think some people in Arlington might like to know that the security part of 250th being overseen by a citizen of Concord whose name is Fred Ryan. I think we were in pretty good hands. Thank you very, very much. I appreciate all the work. Thanks, everybody. Let's knock off some minutes. Okay, sorry. They should. We only have one. No, I think we have two. Let me just do a little bit. Okay, so we're looking at the minutes of March 11th first. And I had a question on item seven. There's a question about the balance of potential care as Oh, yes. I have a question. So I have, I had that the balance in perpetual care was eight million six seventy three eight ninety two. But in the recording, I think Jennifer said seven ninety two. But I wanted to just check that. Why don't we say approximately a six, seven, three, eight month two. Okay. Change by now anyway. I've got the numbers. Perpetual care eight million six hundred seventy three thousand seven hundred ninety two. Seven hundred. Okay. Do you need lots of graves? Is it one, four, five, three, four, seven? Yes. Okay. Thank you. All right. So perpetual care is eight, six, seven, three, seven, nine. And other corrections, I'll pass the money. This is just on your own. On your own. Yeah. I mean, other changes, corrections to the minutes of March 11th. Do I have a motion to approve the minutes? So moved. Second. All right. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That's to please three, 13, March 13th. I'll pass the, if you have a correction on March 13th. Yeah. On the appropriation, transportation infrastructure. Call. Numbers. Oh, article 42. Correct. Okay. If I remember from reading them from your copy of the minutes, this money was to be spent entirely on blue bikes, which I don't think is what the manager said. I think he said that money will be spent on blue bikes and other road infrastructure. I think he said blue bike. The whole thing on blue bikes? Yeah. Yeah. Can we re-vote that? That's why someone asked, we raised, how much money are we making? Are we at least working even on that? I actually have notes saying if I'm having blue bikes. My fiscal notes say it's on complete streets, sidewalks, other safety improvements, and the operation would be like that. That's what I have from that video. I thought you said change. But my scratching notes that aren't pink. I thought you said that that's what the transportation infrastructure fund could be spent on. Should be spent on that. He was spending it on blue bikes. Yeah, I don't remember. Sure. So that's what the video will be. Yeah. It's just. Definitely. We're going to get better at age. We can say that I can be on the video. I think it's acceptable. What the men say is recommendation from the town managers to use these funds to support the blue bike network. I don't think that's incorrect. The question is whether what they're entirely. Yeah, what would people like to do? Is there a, are there any other corrections to the men? Rebecca. I had a question on number 10, which refers to article 55 for the library construction. The first son said the town manager's office has to reduce this arbitration. Is that correct? I thought that, oh, he said he was just getting the money from his other place. Right. But they're not requesting the whole 150,000 though. No, no, that's right. Yeah. Okay. I remember that he didn't account for the entire 150,000. So he's spamming. Exactly. And I did. He didn't hire him for it yet. That's right. Yes. That's what I was told. He's done it to 100,000 and. He's 50. I'm sure. He's 50. Sure. But not that that would be. But I don't think he recommended. Maybe he didn't take a vote on it yet. But I think, I think what he said was he plans to repress, to request no action on 57. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So that to, to allocate the money. The library. The library. That money for the library. Hey, you mentioned that the airport was applying for. Okay. So if I get rid of reduced this article for appropriation, and as I recommending. So how many of your office plans to request no action on article 57? And I'd love it. Love to reallocate. Any other questions? So the only issue is the language regarding this. Do people feel as accurate as written? Well, I think I heard the possibility of a range of things to include. Blue lights as, as one of them. That's what I heard. But that's what I've been hearing from, but I don't know. And I wouldn't go by on my hearing in the station. Is there a motion to approve this? Or do people on table this? Or once in a while? It's the table. Second. I could just remove this part about the blue light network. We did something. Let's table this and bring it up on Wednesday. And on Wednesday, we're going to have insurance. In modern store along with articles 43.4. Then we will deal with, we still have human rights commission. Disabilities and everything we heard tonight. And then we have a couple of more articles we have to talk about. This is going to be a very busy night. Wednesday night. We have seven minutes left. I will attend a motion to approve. It was the tourism request, which is level funded. So my approval. Second, second. All right. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? All right. Okay. Please. Amen. Thank you. How do people feel about taking a vote on the CPA? We don't, we don't just declare. We don't approve or not. It's just we endorse it. We just endorse it. So I think that we endorse the CPA budget as well. Just a second. All right. Questions down. Yeah. I think I'm going to vote against that just because I think between the $16 million and the capital planning budget and the $2 something million, $2 million in this budget, I think something should be put aside for town hall. If that's fallen apart, I just think that those, that would, that prior would come for some of the items I sit here. So I 100% agree with what they can't do it. The town manager doesn't ask for it. Someone should reach out to the town manager. I'll reach out to the town manager tomorrow and I'll say she asked for it. I just, I don't think that's a good reason to spend $2 million. Just, you know, if the town hall was falling apart. And I asked about it with the capital planning and he said, everything in there was urgent. Okay. Everything in there is urgent. I guess we have to spend that $16 million. I don't think everything here is urgent. So I just, I'm not going to agree that this stuff's all urgent. Yeah. On the capital plan, bulk of that is bonded. $6.5 million is bonded. $4.9 million is a current spend. $4.6 million is spent primarily by the water. So we don't have access to the water and so on. So it's the $4.9 million. The bond that would have to come from a project request. Yeah. And to town hall right, really would exceed the capacity of the capital. I don't buy that it's too big of a project that we can't put money aside for it. If you just took the Monotomy Rocks Park. You can't put the bottom of Monotomy Park. If you put the $400,000 from Monotomy Rocks Park aside, that's potentially 5% of the town hall. You know, if you find another $400,000, it's 10%. You find something in the capital budget, you have to 20%. Yeah. You get the same.  One at a time. Okay. I'm going to point that maybe. So I just feel like you can't. It's too big to spend. All right. You two are arguing against each other. One at a time. Daryl? So again, like I said the other night, those projects are all projects that. That's full of $0.9 million. That people with prior types of meaning to be funded. So that's what you're saying. What you're saying is fine. If people are willing to prioritize that way. So, man. Sophie, Charlie, and I think the first frustration that I hear and that I feel, I just don't know what to do with this. How do we as a finance company let the town, you know, not have brought up the state of Town Hall before this year to let it get to that point? And how do, how do we get the town manager to make a request? He didn't this year. I don't think we can force him to do it. But oh my gosh, how didn't you do it? And how wasn't it done the past 10 years given this data? So what can we do? And I think this vote, I think the proposal to vote against maybe is a way of just showing this content, not that it's going to solve the problem or that the money. It's just a way to show discontent of the past maybe 10, 20 years of. I don't know what should have been done. I just point out that we have a new town manager to who didn't control last year's right like this, but long and I know. But as a finance, you know, what shouldn't be doing? Charlie. So, John, in response to your comments. And also just sort of describe the environment that Darrell's working in. There's really two ways to finance capital projects of us that have done within the limits of proposition two and a half, which is with capital plan and capital budget. The first way the state sits aside or has a legislative mechanism called stabilization funds where you can put money away. You know, for a new fire trucks or building or something like that. And it takes a two thirds vote of town meeting to get the money out of the stabilization fund and many towns and cities. I don't want to say cities, many, many towns use this method for capital spending. And most of the towns that do this are small towns, you know, maybe with a budget of the $20,000 a year or something like that. The other way is to, a way of practically of setting aside money is to bond.   That's what the capital planning process is. So, so that, I don't know, put it's $9 million as a debt service. Is that what it is? Something like that. That's paying for prior prioritized projects that have been vetted through a multi-year process on the capital planning committee. And if the town manager didn't come in four years ago to ask for the couple of it to be fixed or whatever it is, it's not going to be in the capital budget. You're not going to solve it by putting money aside in a little piggy bank. I'm not trying to be prestigious. I'm going to say it's not the way the process works. And the reason why the town chooses to bond these projects and chooses to go this method is because municipalities pay relatively speaking, a low interest rate. And it's much better to go this way to fund these projects and to put the money aside and then hope that we get, you know, a higher interest rate in the bank that would eventually allow these funds to grow. So this is, this is a process that's followed. And, and, you know, many times I disagree, especially now I disagree with what the capital planning committee does. They didn't disagree. They go through this process to figure out what is appropriate to do. So you can't just say, yeah, I agree with everything you said. But all right, wait, wait, wait, wait, we're not going to argue this. That we have other people who want to make points. It's now 10 01. If someone invokes the merit running rule, I will end this up. All right. Is there a second to the second adjourn, run and roll. And I think I can do that because I'm just the next person who's going to say. All right. So all of your favorite journey and taking this up on Wednesday, say hi. Hi. All right. All right. All right. 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