Coming up on our final show of 2019. I think it's going to be a live whole event and EXO added that will be out this year. If you enjoyed that chaos, stay tuned because tomorrow begins right now. Good morning. How's everything up with you guys? What's today's roundtable about? It is about Space and Review 2019 and 2020. And I feel like today's roundtable should actually be about Bridenstine kicking butt and taking names and me not calling that at all. Yep. Right? Like in 2019 he just came in and was like, I was worried because he is a politician. Right? So I'm going into this going like, this is not going to work. This is just a whole big political thing. NASA doesn't need more politics. NASA needs engineering. Well, that's because prior to that, people like Charlie Bolden, who was previously an astronaut, was held a similar role. Griffin. Yeah. My Griffin was an engineer. Right. They said engineer as well. So we already had that kind of history of people who knew what, not to sound bad, but knew what they were talking about, kind of moved up through the ranks to then be in that kind of leadership. And so it's difficult when you have a complete outsider to know whether or not they're going to understand that they're going to trust that they're going to listen to anyone who does know what's going on or who has been there. Like that's, I think that's a different cause for concern or cause for pause at the very least. John says, the problem is NASA lives and dies by politics. Yeah. And that's actually why. Right. So Brian didn't come into NASA in 2019, but I feel like 2019 is the year that he was just, he just was like flipping tables and like, yeah, fix SLS or going somewhere else. And I think Boeing went, oh, I think he's serious. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think they kind of went, oh, we have to actually produce a product. It wasn't just something that was like the usual pipe dream on Twitter that you end up getting. Like he said that at a congressional hearing. Yeah. About SLS. Right. And that kind of made Boeing go, oh, build it faster, faster. But it's working. Yeah. Like, we just did a space news this last week where we destroyed a liquid hydrogen tank, but on purpose. Yeah. Like destructive testing. Destructive testing. The NDE. The N is missing out of non-destructive. There's this DE destructive testing. So we do this testing and then the week prior to that, I was like, oh, this is the SLS 2019 roundup video because we're not going to have any more SLS news this year. Like it's the end of the year. Somehow they had SLS news the next week. Yeah. So we're just seeing SLS after SLS, like SLS is making the news each week on good merit. Yeah. Not on, oh, it's delayed again. Oh, they dropped the tank. Oh, it's way over budget again.  Like they could actually start to make these launch dates. Absolutely. So this was the year where, like, I was really worried about Bridenstine when he came in. He started to win me over with some of the SLS of like, no, do better. And then this year is, I think, the year where I won. Oh, oh, wow. He's actually quite good for NASA. Yes. Like the rest of the politics aside, and some people are bringing up some things in the room that obviously I don't agree with. Yeah. Not relevant to this conversation from the NASA side of things. He seems to be kicking butt and taking names. Yeah, I was particularly worried, too, because of some of the past stuff that he had done in terms of like climate science, things like that. Oh, that's great. Don't you worry. Now I'm not bringing it up on the screen because that defeats, like, that's not this conversation. But, you know, yeah. There's a multitude of things. We all know. But like, I think what really won me over with him.  Because I was so worried about all these things happening. But I guess every time I can, I always try to admit, I was also, not only was I 100% against him, I was 100% wrong in how he was going to end up running NASA. He's blown us away and just been absolutely amazing with it. And what really set me up in knowing that Bridenstine was actually going to end up being pretty good, was that he went to JPL. He went to their climate science laboratory and sat down and said, tell me everything you know. Straight up. Just tell me everything you know. Show me the data. And like, I don't know a lot of people that have ever done that that have been in that kind of a position to come in. Also, most people don't have that position of power to be able to do it. True. But he was in that position and he didn't have to do that. No, he did not. He did his due diligence. That's exactly what I think we're all saying, is that he understood that maybe he didn't know everything about everything, everything about the industry. That is a hilarious picture. He was talking very hard. Oh, I feel like we could have done better. Like we're not doing him justice on the screen. We're all rusty and that includes data. Maybe this is... I'm sorry. I'm sorry. This is definitely his SLS face. Yeah. Really nice. But again, to be fair, and very much so to his credit, he did his due diligence. He went through, he talked to the people who do know what's going on and he figured it out. And he actually absorbed the information. He didn't just do it for lip service or for any sort of publicity of, I went to JPL and I talked to the experts. No, he really did it. And I think that should be commended. Yeah. I think what's interesting, too, is that he's made decisions that have been opposite of the people who threw him into that position as well. So he's showing himself that he's beholden to no one but NASA. That is a better picture. Much better. I realize it's not a resolution, but at least it's like an action pose. It's not all like... All up in your face. All up in your face. Yeah. What throughout that comment that was just out the center? Yeah, I thought that was becoming... I wanted to ask you guys about, do you know how much SLS is actually costing right now? Because I actually... We're up to 17 billion at this point? What? Several billion per year? Yeah. Yeah. Do we throw Aries 5 into the mix? So, yeah. Yeah, you know, actually that's a great question because where does SLS begin and constellation end? And I think the, I feel like the answer is everything is in the same bucket, right? So, SLS, all the words. Yeah. SLS is born out of Aries 5, which means that all of Aries 5 development should, like those cost centers should go into the total price of SLS because that's how all of that came to be. Yeah. So I think that's what's fair. To that point, like there's a whole lot of discussion going on because we're talking about Bridenstine how he's thinking about... I like this one though. I know. How hard can it be they had the engines, they put it together and that's it. Oh, yeah.  It's just like a... I mean, I'm sure it was super easy to turn Falcon 9 to Falcon Heavy. Oh, right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, it was a piece of cake to do that. But this is still the current gripe. The space launch system is making progress, but it's still too expensive and too expendable for the long term. I think it's part of the problem. The space launch system is a rocket that was designed in, you know, 2004. Wow. Right. Yeah. That's when Aries 5 came around. Yeah, sure. So, I mean, nobody was thinking about reusable rockets at the time that the space launch system was a thing. That is an untrue statement in unfair. Okay. So, nobody was working... Shoot him again! Yeah. So, nobody... Okay, look. I agree in aggressive real quick, didn't I? Okay. Let me go back a little bit here. Let me rephrase that. Internet didn't see that. So, nobody was taking... Nobody outside of a handful of companies was taking reusability seriously because everybody looked at the space shuttle and said it can't be done. Right. And we had the... Right. We even did history segments on Space News. It was the X-33, Venture Star, DCX. DCX. Yeah. It was X-33, yeah. Well, X-33 was in competition with DCX. Right, right, right. And it's one of the reasons... Those were the two. Those two, yeah. They were competing and NASA really wanted X-33, so they killed DCX. And then X-33 ended up sort of screwing up and not working. But the point is, those were NASA. Yes. Right? And so that was NASA making an expendable reusable rocket way before it was cool, way before... There you go. Way before SpaceX, before all of it. In fact, a lot of the reusable companies go to the data from these programs to figure out how they're going to do it. Yeah. So they had reusability in the brain mindset prior to Ares V and still... Yeah, there you go. Oh, my favorite. Yeah. You know what? Internet go and you need to search for... There's like really great video, oldie timey video of it launching, translating over and then hovering and then landing again. And it doesn't just... One of the videos, it doesn't just like translate, it like flip sideways to translate and then cuts back. Oh, I haven't seen that one. Yeah, it's called the swan dive flight because it kind of swan dives back to the ground. It's a beautiful flight. Oh, wow. By the way, this was all happening in the early 90s. Yeah, early... Just a reminder, early 90s. But that's ultimately my point. It's that NASA was working on reusability before anyone else. Why didn't they get there first? I know, this is 2019 in review. Now we're in the 90s. Oh, yeah. I'm afraid of that. I'm afraid of that. Go figure. Okay, but then you go back to up to space launch system. NASA was working on this in the 90s. Space launch system is using a fully reusable rocket engine. Dare I say, one of the most impressive engines ever, operational engines ever built to date. Dare you not say, it is the most impressive liquid propulsion rocket engine that's ever been made.  Not only did it have ridiculous specific impulse on it and efficiency and engineering with it, you could reuse it. Raptor and BE-4. So, well, I mean, okay. Okay, right. Should we rephrase that flown engine? Well, yeah, operation. That's why you said operation. Well, actually, never mind. Raptor's technically been flown. I'll bet, I'll bet, I'll bet like only 100 meters or so. Yeah, but it hasn't gone to space. Like there's got to be a, it went to space. Yeah, but those like flew 20, 25 times each. That's what I'm saying, operation. And only one of them didn't work on one shuttle flight. No, that's not true. More than, well, so you had an ATO. Yeah, STS-51F. They had to shut one down. Yeah, so you had to find out working. Because we had one where we stuck a, actually, you're right. It was only one, because I was going to argue STS-91, where the golden rod ripped through the engine bell in the beginning. Yeah, or 93. It's just 93. STS-93, you're right. You have that whole history. Yeah, the whole thing and go back. Holy smokes. We're like space debate. Oh, yeah. Are you familiar with STS-93? This is way over my head. Oh. I have no idea what's going on. All right, so check this out. So for anyone who doesn't know, STS-93 is my- Quickly. You have an entire video of this. My favorite asset as well. Don't worry. Yeah, it's like the ultimate asset. Oh, Jim and I, God. Yes. This mission is crazy, and it's real. Quickly. Ish. Okay, so STS-93, the engines ignite, and we lift off the pad, and moments later, a golden rod gets ejected out of the engine and rips through, basically to base the nozzle part of the engine itself, and it rips through the cooling lines in that nozzle. Now, you could lose five of them. It ripped three of them. Yeah, if you lose five of them, it's a loss of crew and vehicle. Game over. Game over, right? That's it. Like, vehicle can't survive that. They lost three. So they had, they were just on the edge. The problem is, is this the shot from STS-93? Yeah. Right up there. Because you can see- The starboard side engine with that. That, the combustion instability right up over there? This. Right? It's right there. That. Oh, I'm sorry. You're right. I'm just randomly pointing the screen. Anyhow, so- This thing? Yes. Yeah, so that's a little extra hydrogen. Right. But it's not like putting nitrous in your car's engine. Here's the thing though, that it ripped through a bunch of things, including the engine. So it also ripped through some of the sensors.  They clear the tower. Yep. And all of a sudden, you hear the commander from the vehicle call down. She says something like, we've got a pH fuel cell number one. Which is really freaking bad. Also, because the sensors on the vehicle and whatnot are basically saying, hey, these systems aren't working. And then the mission controllers start going, hey, we've lost engine controllers on the center engine. Engine controllers on the right engine. We're on backup controllers on this engine. This engine is not working correctly. We've got problems with the solid rocket motors. By the way, go at throttle up.  Well, and people talking over each other because, you know, this person has a problem. This person sees a different problem. This person sees a different problem. Everyone has to talk to Capcom. Capcom and like, the coordination is really amazing. The video that is done, there's an older video. There's a newer video. Both of them are done really, really well. It's hard to follow all of it. But it is amazing and it is incredible that it all ended up working. Anyhow, that's why it's my favorite mission. I love to show that one just because, like, there are too many people talking in the first 30 seconds. Oh, yeah. Easily. If you want to hear, by the way, yes, that at its finest. Exactly. Because it was like... Never once are you like, ah!  Yes, that is a thing. You have a thing? Great, you have a thing. You have a thing and you have a thing. How's this thing going? Your thing is okay. Your thing is worse. Your thing is better? Great. You have a thing? Oh, you have another thing. Like, they just... And then they're like, and go. Yep.  NASA at its finest. It shows... What year is this? 1999. No. Just search our channel for STS-23. Yeah. We have the mission control loops, raw, unedited, essentially. Yeah. Right? Not all of the loops, all of the translations up on the screens. Because you need those. You need them in order to follow up. Because there's people talking on top of other people. Much like the show. Yeah. That was a pretty big mission, too. That was Eileen Collins as commander, and this was the first time a woman was commander of a spacecraft. Wow. Yep. Look at how she did that. And also Shandra, which was the heaviest payload shuttle ever launched. Wow. That is pulling us back on task here, right? Yes. So there are four RS-25. I can't believe those beautiful pieces of machinery are just going to end up in the Atlantic. Well, maybe Jeff Bezos can go grab them. I hope so. It would be nice. I mean, probably. Maybe he could put one on a new shepherd. You know, knowing him, he probably already has. Just hasn't told anyone yet. Yeah, maybe. Yeah. How much of SLS is going to be reusable percentage-wise? Like, 70%? Zero. Wait, what? Well, maybe if you count Orion. Because Orion can fly multiple times. Yeah, I was going to say like the humans on board, I guess. The humans are reusable. Yeah. The spacecraft that sits on top, the payload it brings up, that's reusable. The rocket itself, the entire rocket, all of it. The avionics, the reusable engines. The engines are reusable. The engines were reusable. Oh, so that's not zero percent. No, no. That's not zero percent. No, no. The engines were reusable on the space shuttle. They were. We used them on the space shuttle. We're putting them on SLS. They were designed to be reusable. But on SLS, we're going to take the whole thing and dump it in the ocean. Yep. The engines included. And we will not recall. Including, wait, so John's asking about the solid rocket boosters. Same? Oh, yeah. Actually, I believe those are actually supposed to be expensive. They were going to reuse them? I know you asked, like, Hang on. They were going to reuse them, but now they're not going to. To maintain the recovery fleet, to get the boosters back, disassemble them, send them back to Colorado for reconditioning and putting more propellant in them, they think is too expensive for the number of flights that they're going to be making. And so they're not going to reuse them. They're going to be expendable. Right. Yeah. So, and that's the other thing with, so if you, because I know no one has their ears in it. Yep. Yeah. Donna basically said, they were going to, no they're not going to, it's too expensive to fish the boosters out of the ocean to reuse them. It's basically the same price to build new ones, which was the same case with Space Shuttle. Yeah. Which I don't necessarily, like the whole point of reusability isn't just to reuse it. It needs to be to lower the cost and access space. Yeah. And if you're not doing that, then do it different. Yeah. Figure it out. Lower your cost to space. Oh, there you go. There you go. That's the Orion capsule on the right-hand side and an earlier, or a later slit. An earlier model of this one. That's the later one. That's the later one. It doesn't look like, does it look like if you go Drax Corporation is launching it. All right. So I spent, I spent like 10 minutes on Bridenstein and SLS. Although I feel like, you know what? 2020 is going to be the year of SLS I think. You think so? Well, we're not going to fly in 2020. No. I mean, they say they are, but they're not. And I thought they pushed just, when was that? Didn't they push out to 2021? Oh, yeah. 2021. We all know it's 2021. Okay. But like this is, like just like these last few weeks, it's been like SLS positive news, SLS positive news. I think that's going to be a continuing trend because Bridenstein is going to force SLS to have positive news.  Yeah. You know? So that was my, it's good stuff. Yeah, it is. It is. I know he didn't start in 2019, but this was the year that really won me over. Absolutely. Nice. That was going to revert to something we were saying before about, well, yeah, I remember now. It was about, why is it that we were talking back in the 90s about reusability? And it's just now 2019 and we're finally kind of doing stuff with, I mean, even though SLS now we disagreed, isn't actually reusable? Great. But I wanted to bring up a point that actually I was watching on the last round table several months ago that was made. That was about, you know, obviously the changing is going to change the priorities as far as like programs go. So obviously I think that's a major cause, but I also think it's just like what's interested in like the public eye, like how many people are actually taking interest in this and how many people are actually voting for these types of things. So I think what I like about what Burt Einstein is doing, wait this is his name, right? Yeah. What I like about essentially what he's doing is that by bringing and pushing more of a positive message on SLS, that's not only getting to other like news outlets and media, but to people that are not even in space that are saying, oh wow, there's actually something really cool that NASA's developing that's like really going to possibly change your way that we look at space travel. Awesome. I think I'm going to like vote for this and then that can parlay into the next like maybe two to three more administrations beyond from now that we can even imagine. What do you think is doing that better? SpaceX or Bridenstein? Like if you were to vote on space and get excited about space, or for SpaceX, just because like that's really made more of a public eye and a lot more. I mean, there's so many memes about it. I kind of judge a lot of things based on how popular memes are on Instagram and Twitter. For me, the SpaceX bringing people and exciting them is kind of a double edged sword with it. There's some good that comes with it. There's also some bad. I always joke. I always joke that I remember when spaceflight now there was a comment section and then SpaceX came along. It was kind of like that. They say that a lot of uninformed people jumped into the game because a lot of those uninformed people are now very well informed about how rockets work because when you have to wait multiple years for something to actually happen, you end up learning that, oh yeah, physics is a thing and you can't circumvent physics no matter how bad you want to. Challenge accepted. Go for it. Uh oh, is that another, am I going to have to eat another rocket engine with that one? Oh yeah, that's right. 2019 is the year you lost the bet about Star Hopper and Starship. Wait, what was this bet again? Remind me? God, I don't remember the details. Something on the lines. So we made the bet back in March of 2018, I want to say and it was basically if Star Hopper clears, I think it was 91 meters, something like that. Oh. Then I would eat once, potentially, once, accidentally. You know, that was a good, I mean hey. You know it's been even the control room laps. Go on. I can't, I can't describe the story. Much like Blue Origin, we found out about the second suborbital hop of, Explain to Athena what happened. Okay, so, so we put in a bet that basically, I jokingly said, I'm going to eat an RS-25, the Spatial main engine with mustard. If, if Star Hopper. Oh, is mustard in the fridge? Yeah, I was like, why is a fridge? Which I've eaten like a third of the mustard by the way, because it's delicious. And by the way, it's not fit in this room. No. Which Perian did not know when we first started tomorrow, slash, space vacasse back in the day. So, that you needed to fit an RS-25 engine. So we had the deadline of December 31st, 2019. And I thought, I actually had a chance that maybe I was going to win this bet. What would I have won? Nothing really. The thing is, I knew he had no chance and I was going to enjoy this moment. Okay, so whatever. Eventually, late August, I don't remember the best. Oh my God. We still haven't done it though. I have a great idea. We still have it because we've got to figure out a way to actually make this happen. How about I bake a cake of it and then you've got to eat the cake with mustard. Okay, here's the problem though. I would like this to be something that I would actually enjoy eating. Like, this is not jackass or fear factor. We get like a hot dog. Yes. Or something. I know. If an RS-25 was made of spare ribs, would you eat it? No, so there's Jared losing the first time. Yes. Now, here's the thing, Athena, he lost twice. I did. I can't comment on this at all so I will defer back to Jared. So, remember the Starship, you know, they were pressure testing it and it blew its top. Yep. So, and the top apparently flew higher than its first top. So, that means that I technically lost it twice because of that. We didn't say it had to fly intact. We just said that a part of, we just said Star Hopper has to make it. So, there you go, I lost twice. Wow. All right, Raul Santos on our chat room was trying to bring you this round table. Back, back into the whole thing. Asking favorite space of 2019. Athena picked one. Let's go around this way. Yeah. Favorite space moment. Kind of like, give me your top three if you can't decide on one. Three? Oh, come on, Jared. Start at the beginning of the video. So, I would say number three definitely has to be New Horizons flyby of Aracoth. Good student type. Thank you.  So far away, the sun has never influenced it. So that means that we're literally looking at the primordial solar system, which is literally us. Like, that's the stuff we're made of. Like, that is absolutely absurdly amazing and still downloading the data from the flyby, by the way, and probably still another year left in downloading all that data. So, gonna be really cool to see all the results coming out pretty soon. Number two, number two, it's so hard because they have to kind of like, do two things in one. I have to say, demo one was awesome and seeing Falcon Heavy become operational was awesome as well. With that, and then number one for me is definitely the Event Horizon Telescope, finally putting out the image of the Black Hole. Oh, my God. That was, like, that and the observing gravitational waves are like two holy grails in astrophysics and like, we got them within the same decade, within three years of each other. Like, holy smokes. That was just amazing being able to see that image and then like, realized that we were looking at something like, just a couple of times bigger than the solar system, you know, 50 million light years away from us. Like, we're looking at the Black Hole and like, oh, so, wow, we have like this incredible technology to pull that off. So, Athena, we're looking at demo one on the screen right now. That's the, yeah, that's the, wait, what is this? That's demo one. That's the Dragon Spacecraft. I believe it is currently docked to the International Space Station. There's some weird flares on the side, but the nose cone's open and I see it. Yeah. It looks like it's docked. So, this is demo three for you. This is my number one. Why? Why? Because when it came out, I actually, it was such a special day for me, because when it came out, I was actually on a shoot, shooting for like, some Macy's thing. I don't know. Anyway, so, I made everyone stop on the screen. It is a model shooting for Macy's. Oh, Athena. Oh my God. Just let the one go. Wow. What is happening right now? Wow. Wow. So anyway, yes, I was on this photo shoot and no, but I remember when the image came out because the press conference was going on while we had just started shooting. I made everyone stop the shoot and I pulled up my laptop and was like, we have to watch this. Oh my God. This is amazing. Oh my God. It was so good. Y'all need to do that too in your respective fields. Make people stop and watch these amazing space events. It was just, yeah, it was awesome. And I was like, you guys have no idea.  And I'm like, I know. And then like just telling them like everything about it and how like it shows the warping of space time.  But so that, that, that was really monumental for me. I mean, it's definitely was a huge breakthrough for, for astrophysics in general. The second event, I would say, although it was like odd New Year's day, it was one event Horizon flew back. It counts. It counts. Yeah. Because it had like, it was a special day for me. Like I was with my mom and brother and it was obviously New Year's Eve. And we had like the countdown happening on TV. So I think it was right around yeah, midnight for East Coast time. So we had just, I was going to bring it to set actually, the 3D printed one. Oh yeah. Should I go grab it? Yeah, go grab it. Totally. The peanut. So I don't know, this is just exciting because I was telling everyone about it. I did a random video where I built a cardboard box and saw me trying to make it look like New Horizons and went to my park in Brooklyn. Go to the camera and do it. Yeah, walk around that way. Oh, should I? In front of the camera. Okay. Hang on. You should go behind this. Oh, okay. Oh wow. This is going to be amazing. This is the cheesiest thing we've done. There's Ultimate Tulip flying by. Yeah. You're welcome, Internet. Wow. I'm sorry. I'm going to make that into a GIF later. That is incredible. You're welcome, Alan Stern. So I mean, that was just awesome. Again, because it was just a special moment and telling family about it and telling a bunch of people that aren't in space about it. It was awesome. And look at it. Oh, here. It's so cute. Wee! Yeah. I don't know. It's so cute. So it reminds me of Olaf from Frozen. Oh, look at that. Yeah. Snowman. Yeah. So I would say now the third space event of the year. I mean, I did love the hover test of Starship Hopper. I definitely think that was really cool because I'd say probably my third favorite. I mean, there were so many good launches. Also, like ISRO, Chandra Island 2, that was incredible. It was good year for ISRO. Yeah, really good year for ISRO. Yeah. They've been taking a button and taking the air. Yeah, they really had. Yeah. Yeah. So that was really cool. But definitely, I mean, just watching Starship Hopper because again, that was like a science fiction movie and the amount of people that I had shared the video with and seeing feedback from total strangers that aren't even in space. They just were like, this is like a movie. It's real. It's real. Yes. That's their GSLV Mark III, I think. I can't remember. Someone on the internet will correct me. How about you, Karianne? So cool. You don't have to do three, like just like... Yeah. No, I'm not going to do three. I mean, it is hard to narrow a lot of it down, but I think demo one. Okay.  Yeah.   Right. Yeah. The little earth. Yeah. Do you want to call them earthy? Little earth. Little earth. Little earth. Right? Little earth.   Yes. It's still on space station. Yeah. Excuse you. You put it in the capsule. I mean, SpaceX put it in the capsule. Not for them, it's deep. So that's fair game. It's fair game. Well, we're sending people to the earth at least. No, the bait? M&M's are earthy? No, no, no. No, no. Earthy right there. Not exactly. So, right there. For the the X Prize where you had to prove the, I can't talk. Somebody help me out here. They had M&M's. Okay. Oh, the Ansari X Prize. Thank you. Ansari X Prize. I'm like, the thing with the stuff with the other thing. There's a little, yeah. Hi friends. So cute. Which is funny in the capsule. You know, a humanoid. Ripley. Yes. Ripley was amazing. Yeah, yeah. She's really cool. And like all the different like nodes and everything that she had on her to make sure that everything would be safe for humans. Like that, that was really cool in and of itself. But there was something a little bit different strangely enough about this little, about this little plushie. And I just thought that that was really cute. And there she is. She's so great. Yeah. I think in a similar way to what Jared's reaction was to hearing about Falcon Heavy having the Tesla in it. Like that's a dumbest idea. Why would you do that?  I don't get it. The whole nine and Starman of course. Yeah. See, that's the, I love it. The best thing about the plushie was like, really? There's a stuffed animal thing we're putting up there. Like, that's what's going to do a thing. And who really, oh, it's going to be floating and who really, I don't know, I had all of that going into it. The whole thing. And that's how the company sold out completely. Yep. All over the place. And they didn't expect it. They were like, we don't know what happened. Oh, God. I was just saying, Uphick Riffin Observatory, we had those for like a couple hours. A couple hours. Couple hours. Oh my God. Yeah. As soon as anyone heard that they were anywhere, everyone got sold out. And I think that's really amazing. And there's, there's something that says something to me about that connection that's, you know, absolutely. And that's, that's what touches me. And so that was the most significant thing to me, even though there were other things that were really amazing. And, you know, for human spaceflight and for not necessarily human spaceflight, you know, a couple of people in the chat were mentioned, like China on the dark side of the moon, right? The ultimate hule was amazing thing. The unfortunate part that ISRO's Lander didn't really make it, you know, but the order. But it was still an event. It was. It was a really cool event. Exactly. And it really, it brought a lot of people together. That's exactly it. The thing too is that ISRO got data out of that. Yeah. They, they got a tremendous amount of descent and landing data out of that. So they, I'm pretty sure with Sean, you're on three, they're going to do it. There's this weird. I agree so as well. Like binary, either you succeeded or you didn't. Right. So you crashed in the moon, you didn't land, you didn't meet your primary objective. So you failed. And I don't think, like in aerospace, that is not how it works. Yeah. At all. And that last step, doesn't mean that you didn't get every other step in between correctly. Yeah. And that you didn't learn a lot of things along the way. What's the thing? And cooler things. You know, with failure, you learn a lot more from failure than you do from success. Yeah. Success just basically says, yeah, you've done this all correctly.  With failure, you really learn a lot. And that's, that's tremendously important. Chris Huckman was funny and Gary just put it at the bottom of the screen which is looking forward to the next year Oh my God. Yeah. Those big events as well. Maybe a laugh. Poor thing. It's not going to be able to drive around. Maybe a laugh. I'm going to get stuck. Also, we'd be good. Did make note that we have a teeny tiny round table for our round table discussion. You're welcome internet. Yes. We actually have a few round tables going on here. Yeah. Which seems legit for us. Seems legit. Yeah. Yeah. The moon. What are you looking forward to in 2020? Well, you didn't answer the question though. Yeah. I like all of this. Actually, I think I tend to favor the kind of the answer that Carrie Ann had which is anything that touches non space people, anything that kind of creates a little bit of a ripple through humanity and touches the general populace so that they go, oh wow, that's really cool. I'm excited for that. I'm excited for this better future. And so I think demonstration mission one from SpaceX did a little bit of that. That was kind of this, like there was a little ripple. You could feel that ripple. Moving past backwards before 2019, Falcon Heavy demo one was also another one. That was a bigger ripple. I feel like that one, that was a little more of a shock wave. Yeah. Just a bit. Yeah. And so, I like those ripples. I think the beer sheet lander was a little ripple and I thought that was a really cool one. I thought demo one was a little ripple. And I think anytime that you see things like that occur and that's why I'm not, you know, we're really hard on SLS on the show, mostly because it deserves it. But what I'm excited for with SLS is creating that ripple and having humanity go, wow, that's an incredible rocket. Price doesn't like time, price, whatever, that ripple matters. That caching of humanity matters. Landing on the moon is something that I'm excited for. The Artemis project program, which is a program? It's a program. That's actually kind of exciting. Yeah. Gateway not so much, but Artemis itself, like landing on the moon. Yeah. Like that, I can get behind that. Oh yeah, there you go. That's the, that's a beer sheet. Beer sheet. Yeah. With some unannounced tardigrades. Tardigrades. Yeah. Yeah, so that's what I enjoyed. I enjoyed the space moment. There's, our neighbors are playing very loud music because we all started listening to their music. Yeah. It's not good. You probably can't hear it on camera, but like it's, I can kind of feel it in the floor. Yeah. It's creating little ripples. Yeah. Yeah, my coffee is there. T-Rex is coming. Let's go around, let's go around for what you're looking for forward to in 2020. I have a lot that I'm looking for. All right, we'll give it to us, Jared. I'm looking forward to the, the, the ignition of interest in human spaceflight again. Do you think that'll happen in 2020? Yeah. Because we're going to start flying American astronauts in American vehicles on American rockets. Mostly. Right. To the international space station. Only six months out. Which I mean, pretty, pretty cool that we're doing that. And a lot of people have noticed that. I feel like there's going to be the sort of like SpaceX is going to bring in people and then also Starliner with Boeing is going to bring in people too. And just, don't you beat me to my thing with it. I'm going to debate you on that. Don't leave them out. Because Virgin's also going to start flying people and hopefully Blue Origin will tell us that they're going to start flying people. Blue Origin tells them they already did and it's fine. I want to give Blue Origin props because they have, they have been webcasting their experimental flights. Yes. How many companies webcasts experimental flights? Not very many. Yeah. I mean, there's one. Okay, there's one. Two. Blue Origin. Other than Blue Origin. That's my point. Like I, yeah, they do run quietly and as space nerds we want to get excited by Blue Origin because what they're doing is exciting and we want them to like tickle our humanity is the word that came to mind but I don't know. That's, help me out internet. What were the real words for that? Inspire. Yeah. We want to be inspired by Blue Origin. We really want to and I understand where they're coming from which is like, we'll get there. Yes. But let us figure our stuff out first and then we'll loop around and inspire you and we're all like what we want to know.  You don't have to. You don't have to. There's no expectation. No one has to. They're private companies. They don't have to do anything. Right? So kudos to them for doing that. So obviously like lots of human spaceflight happening at that time. I'm also like super excited for what will be the beginning of... You believe 2020 is the year that humans will really start going into space? Yeah. Like N-Mass. Like I'm counting Virgin Galactic as going into space. N-Mass? Yeah. Right now Russians are bringing up three people at a time. N-Mass is any more than three. Yeah. What kind of, yeah. Okay, I just want to be clear. I'm not saying at a time. You say N-Mass, like hundreds of people. I wasn't going to say 20, 20, 20. I think we're going to see three to four times more people fly to space in 2020 than we have in 2019. I think that's fair. 100 people will go to space in 2020. No. Yes. Yes. No. Internet. Internet. 100 people in space in 2020. Yes. No. Yes. This is why I want the audience to be here. I am going to be an optimist for the first time this year. And say yes. And I'll eat the mustard this time. But like, no. Wait, is that an official bet between you and Jared? Is there a mustard bet of sorts occurring right now? I mean they're all going to be called mustard bets at this point. But you're like that's the future of it. Because we lost too much money to Peter Beck last time. Never bet against Rocket Lab. That was my takeaway in 2019. You're welcome, Peter. I'm also looking forward to what will hopefully be the kickstart of the Renaissance for exoplanet hunts. I was going to say that. And looking for that. Because you've got TESS, the Transient Exoplanet Survey Satellite, which is really starting to crank out the data now. Like it's already at 1,000 planet candidates. And they're like just barely sifting through the data. That's like a quarter of what Kepler has found in its entirety. And that's like one frame. And then also the European Space Agency is about to launch a space telescope on, I think it's Tuesday actually, called CHEOPS, Characterizing Exoplanets. And that's going to also be very, very cool. Because that's going to actually look at sizes and very precisely try to figure things out. Like what's the mass? What atmosphere should even potentially be there if they can massage that data enough? So that's going to be really, really cool with that. I'm also looking forward to, okay, how do I say this? Both looking forward to and dreading in some cases, the increase of launch cadence, which should occur in 2020. Why are you dreading that? Because it's going to have to report on them. Well, first of all, I have to report on it. The launch date is going to be at launch 27 minutes. What we'll do is we'll break launches out of the new, wouldn't that be cool? Exactly. Where there are so many launches, we actually have to break it into its own show. I would love that to be a show of nothing but launches. That's all it is. And then I'm dreading it because, holy smokes, Starlink. I think that's really all I have to say in that respect, which is that there are things that are happening. You and I are imposing sides of that particular argument. I don't feel like we are on opposing sides. It's just we have different arguments and in my opinion, Starlink is a Kobayashi Maru. There's a no-win situation for anybody involved. That is a magical Star Trek reference. I love every moment of that. I mean, seriously, look at that. You can't pull data out with that. No, but it's also very pretty. Isn't there also one web? It is very pretty though. One web is like... In one web? In Europe? In Kuiper and all of the other stuff that's coming up, it's just one of those things that's like... Yeah, here's the thing that astronomers are going to have to understand. It's not just a SpaceX thing. No, it is happening. It is happening. And there's nothing they can do to stop it. You're right. I mean, at the top of their lungs only makes it worse for them, because now people don't want to listen to them anymore. Yes, but the thing is, one of the things about this is that this is not some sort of new idea. I mean, I know when Shotwell got in front of everybody and said, we didn't think about this, astronomers didn't think about this, that's HS, because yeah, we've been thinking about it. There's papers that go all the way back to the early 90s in astronomy that talk about mega constellations and things like that. We had to contend with Iridium in the mid-90s as well, working with that. So this is not some new idea. And yet able to contend with Iridium. Well, Iridium was 88 satellites total. I mean, we've got to figure out, look. My point is, problem found a solution. Problem might be able to find a solution. Not saying we'll find a solution. Exactly. And with the upcoming flight, they're going to have one dark satellite on there, which that's progress. That's definitely like incredibly appreciated that they're actually putting some effort into trying to make that happen. But at the same time, it's just very interesting. I just find it very disingenuous in the idea that nobody thought that this was going to happen. Like seriously, astronomers have been talking about it since the mid-90s, and then the people who want to build a city on Mars didn't think about this. Like they overlooked this part. Like, come on, get real. Don't shove that in.  Seriously. Fair. So yeah. Now, Athena, before we go into your favorite 2020 stuff in the comments, we had the bet as to whether there will be 100 people. They're just putting a host. Are you putting it all in host? I'm near positive. Oh, no, not even close. All right. So let's see here. I got to scroll back up a few seconds. So what's our bet for the next tiny round table? So would there be 100 people? It's no bet on it. That's funny. No, no, not in 2020. James says it's doable. No, no. So many hosts. Now, counting suborbital, yes. Now, yeah, right? The bet isn't into orbit. The bet is over space. The bet is space, and we would say the proper Karman line. Not the 100 kilometer Karman line. That is not the actual Karman line. The proper Karman line, which is somewhere around, it fluctuates is the problem. So if you were to go 60 miles, or you could do what Theodore von Karman himself calculated, which was 83.1 kilometers. Right. And Virgin Galactic will pass that. And they have passed it. He was ready for that. That was great. That was a moment that I just enjoyed. So Virgin Galactic flights will count towards humans in space. Yes. Eight at a time, I believe it is. Because it's pilot co-pilot. It's either six. It's six passengers at a time. Yeah, it would be eight at a time. But are we counting dupes? I think we should count dupes. So no dupes. Yeah, all right. Yeah, no duplications. Because we don't, in the over-ons. So in other words, you're going from 500 astronauts to 600 astronauts in the year 2020. That's what you're saying. Yes. Or whatever number. Yeah, exactly. It's just over 500 right now. Yep. I think it's like 503 or 508. Absolutely. May I be bold and say that? I think it'll cross over 700. How many of these things do you want to eat? I mean, I like. All right. We're going to call that a bet extension. The original bet is for, all right. So hang on. Well, let's go back to our chat room. It makes you so sick. Because there's a whole lot of no-chairs, just so you know. Oh, I don't care. And then continuing in the chat, we've got no. No. No in 2020, but yes in 2021. Okay. And a no-virgin doesn't pass the Carmen line. Actually, they do. They just don't pass the 100 kilometer line, which is not the Carmen line. Yes. Because we believe in what Theodore von Carmen themselves said. All right. Sadly a no. Who's the one that said 100 kilometer there? Oh, Tony. All 100 will be on one space. Wow. There's something to consider that I haven't thought of. That's ambitious. That's probably not going to happen in 2020. I don't think SpaceX has even said that. But like, think of that in a moment where the total number of humans in space right now is a little over 500. In one flight of SpaceX, once they have like 100 people on board, one-fifth of all of the people who have ever been to space will be on that one flight. Again, assuming there's no duplicates. Is it actually 550? It's something close to that. A 3D blaster very specifically says 72 persons. I like that. Vernon says maybe in 2022. Do DNA samples count? I feel like no. That's disingenuous. An actual living meat bag is what we're talking about here. Definitely. Let's see here. Graham says max 30 people juggling less. It says fewer than 20 human meat bags in orbit. In orbit is not the bet though. Yeah. We're not betting in orbit. We're betting overall. Over into space. Crossing that point. Crossing into space. Subwardable counts. 47 and a half people. Half. Half of people. We'll talk about that later. Well, I guess they'll get like... Maybe Icon tells you everything with that one. I think they'll get like, they'll just get to the point where like the common line like reaches the waist. Troy says yes. Nice Corvettes, Troy. Vernon says well it depends on what we mean by space. I think we've done that. Gosh, what is space? How do we define space? Oh, that's actually a very deep question. Okay. Blah blah. What are you looking for in 20 years? 20 years. Well for 2020, I'm definitely excited for, like you were mentioning exoplanets. That's one of my main excited things about right now. It's just because Tess is bringing back so much information. And then I'm correct about this, but is James Wegman going to be launching on Arian 6? 2021. 2021. On an Arian 5. Arian 5. You could have just stopped it. Is James Wegman going to be launching March 30? No, it's going to launch. Sure. It better. I sure hope so. It will. James Webb Space Launch System. James Webb Space. Which one goes first? Oh, God. Okay, let's talk about Dragonfly. It goes first. James Webb Space Launch System. James Webb. James Webb. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's, I mean it's been working out for so long and there's no humans involved as far as like going to space. The first flight of space launch system will not have humans on board. Is not going to humans? No. But it's a human-rated vehicle. Up here. But the launch vehicle is already made and ready. That's going to be launching James Webb. So, I would say James Webb. Well, James Webb's not fully ready yet. It's not. Yeah. I mean, I've seen it. It ain't ready. I mean, it's sitting, it is sitting in that configuration right now in a gigantic clean room. And then it has the clouds, right? About 20 miles west of us here. Yes. In the LA area. And it is awesome. Yeah. It's amazing. It's so cool to see it. Where is it again? We're at Northrop Grumman's facility in El Segundo. Go over there. So, if you're planning an Ocean's 11-style heist, I just told you everything you need to know. I don't know how you could even begin to think about heisting that thing. Well, that's why you need the Ocean's 11 crew to do that. All right. So, we will continue that bet later. I actually think it's an interesting one. Space Launch System or JBS. I guess we're going to have to do all these bets in the potion. We're going to have to get a bet tracker. Which, if you remember, you can see that. A bet tracker, yeah. All right. So, you're excited for James Webb. I forgot about everything else I was going to say now. You're welcome. I keep trying to remind myself everything. There's just so many conversations happening. I am excited for Ariane 6 coming out, because that's going to be, I think, the end of the year. So, it's going to be a whole new, obviously, launcher. And then... Which is an answer to SpaceX, essentially, right? Yeah. But then not fully reusable. Not fully reusable. So, what did they answer there? Cost. Did they? Supposedly, it's supposed to be $90 million for flight. Yeah. Now, that I don't know, because... Because that matters. I am not an expert in terms of Ariane space and their dealings with Europe. That's fair. Yeah. You said that so shiftily, though. Just everyone. Well, I legitimately don't know, so... No, I know. And I know you well enough to know that, but you're like, I don't know anything about this at all. Okay. Cool. I think that was more just me disappointed in myself that I don't.  I'm looking forward to also Dragonfly, so going to Titan, that's going to be for a while, but I'm excited for seeing kind of like more of its development. Wait, which one's Dragonfly? That's the one that goes... Dragonfly. The burrows... No, no, that's the drone. That's the drone. Nuclear powered drone. Yeah, it's like the quadcopter. Yeah. I'm so excited. I should have worn my T-shirt. Oh, I have a T-shirt. I want a little Dragonfly model drone. Oh, wait. Are they making that? That would be cool. Maybe I could put a little plutonium in it, too. I could grab my Americanium 241 from the smoke detector and stick it in there. This image is so resolution. I love that you know that.  Yeah, that's its pathway. So when it arrives, you need a parachute because it's how we ride. Yeah, look at it. Lands and then look at all the... It's so cool. Yeah. That would be a really cool drone toy. We should definitely like... CPU2K6 is asking, what about the Mars 2020 rover? Yes! Oh, yeah. Very valid. Sorry. Sorry. Yes. I'm slightly excited about it. You like to follow up with that? Of course you do. Because it's launching in July. And I actually want to try to fly out and see the launch. Oh, it's in July. So I'd love to try to do that. What is it launching on again? Atlas 5. Atlas 5. The 5.41 configuration. Okay. What's that mean, Jared? That means it has a five meter payload ferry and four solid rocket motors and a single engine sent to our upper stage. So, yeah. Are they going to fly the first vehicle in two configuration? In just a few... In just like a week and a half. Yeah. Starliner here. Yeah, yeah. Although that's not the first dual engine sent to our upper stage. I thought it was the first... That's just the first one in a really long time. Oh, I thought it was the first dual engine sent to our upper stage. Yeah, they used to fly them back in the like the 90s. I think they were really odds too. They had a couple. Oh, all right. Well, never mind.  Sorry. Everything. All right. Yeah. It's the helicopter. It's the helicopter. The actual helicopter they're going to fly on it. I totally forgot about it. Carbon fiber blades. Look at that. Yeah. And it's going to fly out in like scout areas for the rover to go. But it's also going to like take pictures of the rover in the environment there as well. Oh my God. That's so unfortunate. Yeah. That's going to be really awesome. And then you know the internet's going to go fake. Yeah. How could they do that? It's fake.  And then Mars is what it starts. This is so cool because this is like literally like a program that's like totally a JPL kind of thing because they were basically like do you guys think that we could get a helicopter to work on Mars? And they're like, yeah, let's attach like these blades to a CubeSat and we'll just stick it in our thermal vacuum chamber, pump out all the air to its Mars atmosphere and then we'll just see if it can fly. And it flew. And then NASA's like, okay, here's 20 million to make it happen. Wow. And JPL was like, oh, we got like four months to do this. JPL. Yeah, that's right. Never, two things, never bet against Rocket Lab. Never bet against JPL. Yep. Never. Also, you know they're going to mess with you somehow. So in its flight pattern, there'll be some Morse code that says JPL or something. You know it. You know they did something. There's some JPL Easter egg on that thing. They found a way to put it in there. Yeah. Yeah, that was probably one of the most accurate things in the Martian which is JPL gets it done. What? Yeah, it's also the most accurate thing ever said on this show. There you go. Cool. I mean, yeah, I'm done. Are you? That's hilarious. Sorry. No, I think I'm also looking forward to the abundance of human spaceflight in 2020. Yeah. I don't think it's going to be 100. No, I really don't in any way, shape or form. I'm really excited to see astronauts in the Under Armour version galactic like blue spaceflight suits. I was surprised it was blue. I figured it was virgin galactic. It would be like red or red. Black or red, I think it would be cool. I know it shouldn't be white. No, it shouldn't. None of them should be white. There's hints of blue on White Night, so I guess that's where it hints of blue from. It's on the golds. It's like, oh. It's not bad. It's not bad, but I was expecting this sleek future 2001 space honesty.  Well, yeah, because this woman is a thinnest size and you are not. Or this man. This man is a guy. That's a mistake. Virgin has a dude. This is hard to tell. I mean, you can have hair that short. They're pretty cool. They're like running. It's whatever you want.  Excuse me. We should get virgin galactic to give us a few of these and then we'll wear them on set any time we do news. So you can see a real person wearing them? You know, ironically, I missed a shoot for this. Yeah, yeah. Get on that. Yeah. Oh, there you go. Oh, there you go. Richard Branson wearing it. And he looks massive comparatively. The expanse sure has changed. The expanse. You're not wrong. It just kind of looks like that. Oh my God. But I'm also excited again for the human moment of Under Armour putting out like for everyday people like the shoes that they made or variation of the shoes. Oh, yeah. Boots. I'll buy it. Yeah, I will buy smart shoes. Yeah, I was going to say Adidas. I'm already wearing purple but Adidas literally came out with shoes to work with Boeing Starliners. Yeah. Suit. Right. So like how cool is that? Right. That's awesome. I love those little moments. Those are sick. Yeah. How much? Under Armour. How much Under Armour? I will buy some. If I wear those at SpaceX would I catch fire when I enter the building? Oh, no. I actually am legit. Like I think it would be awesome if we can find someone at Virgin Galactic to help us get the spacesuits. We should wear the spacesuits on this show that we always wear week after week. Yeah. Everyone who's on camera who's on this set would be required to wear it. Okay. Yeah. I'm attempting to try and get some. Well, I'll tell you one thing if you like get those shoes they are not staying here if I'm around. You're saying they will be not worn. Don't know if you noticed. Don't be worn. I'm kind of. She's a man who wears a size 13 anyway and can't fit into her size 10s no matter what. Yeah, well, you know. So they can stay here just fine. No, like yeah, I'm excited for the demo mission to the potential of mission one. You know, yeah, I'm excited about the humans flying, but like again, that's me. That's that's what I get excited about. But I am really excited about this kind of like crazy fashion statement and anything else that comes from it. I just recently saw that Gillette has a moon landing anniversary razor and I was like, yes, I need one of those.  It's 2020 the year that we're going to start to see space fashion. I mean, maybe. Are we not all right? Are we not already? We're already there. I feel like it's starting to get a little bit. Well, now with Ariana Grande having a song called N-A-S-A. Yeah. I'll be the universe and you'll be N-A-S-A anyway. Right? So I feel like it's already. That's how it goes. You'll be the universe and I'll be N-A-S-A. Wait, no, it's the other way around. I'll be the universe and you'll be NASA anyway. I mean, just in the shoes last year, Vans teamed up with NASA and released an entire NASA collection. Those were like sold out. Yes. And I went to 13 different van stores to find a pair. Same. And I got one. You got one, yeah. Jesus, that was hard to get it. It's tough. Also, Nike is selling a NASA shoe right now as well. Yeah. So this is not like something new. Other than having the wrong logo, I think that's amazing. I mean, actually on that shoe, that does look good. That's amazing. I was going to say, not only does it look good on that shoe, it looks good on anything. I like the worm. I mean, yeah, there's the Nike. Not that one. Okay, I like those. I would get caught in those. These are the ones I wanted. I had them on pre-order and all of a sudden they vanished and then I was like, Oh yeah, they vanished. It was, I was so upset. I put that on there. Yeah, it's not. I like this simple, I like this simple style the other one. Yeah, they're more of a basketball kind of shoe. Yeah, you're not a sneaker. Yeah, those are also the Nikes as well. Different color. That was, I think, what you probably reserved, Athena, was that. Those are nice. I like those. That tracks also has the correct logo. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like those. Those are definitely, those are, I wore them. Yeah. Yeah, I think space fashion has already kind of been out for probably the past like few years and now it's just like booming. The fact that we could find it like in almost any store. Yeah, Forever 21 has got like a huge section all the time for like no good reason. Urban outfitters like you can get NASA meatball t-shirts at Target. It's readily accessible. This fashion also helped educate people on what we're doing in space. How do you tie those two together? Or is it just going to end up being like, yeah, space stuff, look how cool it is and then people buy it and just don't, never. I don't know. I think it almost doesn't matter though, right? Because if space fashion is cool and enough people get excited about space fashion then eventually it doesn't matter. It's so infiltrated into our common psyche. Oh my God. You know what I'm saying? Like a vocabulary now. Yeah, exactly. People research. Helldesk, that is one so many. Oh, wow. How long it's going to take us to get those underarmor shoes? That is a pretty good place to end the show on.  Yeah. Same thing though. I'm excited for the additional ripples that we're going to create through humanity because that's the analogy I'm using for this particular show. Yeah, but then you switched to tickles. And then I switched to tickles. Don't know why. Just saying. I did. For the extra moments, I think DM2, crew one, anything that's putting humans into space and like moving that cadence faster and faster and faster. I think it's about fricking time that humans live and work in space. We don't just go to space. We don't just have up to seven astronauts, well, I suppose up to 14 astronauts on the space station. We have hundreds of people living and working in space followed by thousands of people living and working in space. And I'm not sure if 2020 is quite the year where we definitely don't get there in 2020. Right. But we're creating those foundation movements. Yes. Like a lot of this work has already been done in the years prior. And 2020 is kind of the year where we start to visually be able to see the fruits of that labor. And then I think that will open up kind of the consciousness of humanity going, oh, I see where they were going with this. I understand this now. Tomorrow is going to be exciting. Tomorrow is going to be better. It's going to be incredible. And hopefully it can get us out of this kind of rut that we put ourselves in. Yeah. I'm really hoping that it's the beginning of like Drard K. O'Neill's high-front team. You know? Like that kind of level of people leaving the earth. I hope that 2020 is like that's the start to it. Yeah. Yeah. 40 years late, but better late than never. I'll also say that 2020 we're going to be changing up tomorrow a bit. Some people know what's well, no one knows what's going on, but in my head and even then what's going on. So we will be having a hangout for all of our citizens. 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Oh, I need to invite Tom and David on mute. I'll set. Good evening and welcome to the South Burlington Development Review Board of Tuesday, October 17th, 2023. My name is Don Filibert. I'm the chair of the board and I'd like to introduce other members of the board. Mark Bear, John Muscatelli, Quinn Mann, and to my right is staff member Marlekeen. I don't think we have anyone online, do we? No, board members online. Okay, good. This meeting is being recorded. Thank you for attending. There are, if in fact anyone is attending, the auditorium happens to be empty tonight. We'll explain why in a minute. So for the sake of the board, I'm going to explain the emergency evacuation procedures. There are doors in the back in each corner in the event of emergency. We would go out those doors and turn either left or right and we would be outside. Are there any people who are actually attending virtually? No. Okay. I won't bother to give them an email or tell them to sign in then. Let's go right ahead and move to number two on the agenda. And that is asking if there are any additions, deletions, or changes in the order of agenda items. I suppose technically not. And that technically will become clear in a minute. Okay. Are there any announcements? Oh, sort of a scuttle butt, but did you see that there's a counselor position open? Tyler Barnes stepped down last night. You're kidding. Tyler Barnes, he's accepted a job in Colorado apparently. No kidding. Yeah. Yeah, that's all I know. I found out at 428 this afternoon. Wow. Okay. Yeah, so there's a big announcement on our website. We're looking for interim counselor until the general election in March. Okay. Good. Good to know. Okay. Any other announcements? No. Comments and questions from the public not related to the agenda since there's no public. There's probably, there probably aren't any. Okay. Item number five. Master plan application MP2301 of John Larkin, Inc. to establish a master plan for an approximately 40 hour, pardon me, 40 acre existing PUD consisting of 270 residential units in eight multifamily buildings, a 20,000 square foot of movie theater, 22,500 square foot restaurant and medical office building, and a 3500 square foot restaurant with a drive-through. The master plan includes four phases and consists of adding approximately 92,105 square feet of commercial space, including a 110 room hotel, approximately 281 homes and multifamily and mixed use buildings, six homes and two family buildings, approximately five acres of programmed and passive open space, and extending a city street at 1185 Shelburne Road. Due to a complete master plan application not having been submitted prior to expiration of the six months after the conclusion of the sketch plan meeting for the same project, this application is not ripe for review. Staff recommends the board continue this application to November 21st. Did it convey the message? Yes. Excellent. So what's going to happen with this one if you accept the continuation is at the next meeting on November 7th, you're going to hear a new sketch plan. We've worked with the applicant to sort of highlight the things that have changed from the first sketch plan to the sketch plan and then highlight some bigger issues, not that they're like big problems, but just the big subject areas. Highlight the big subject areas and then talk about how this project relates to the new project that you reviewed last meeting, the Allenwood Estate, because now at the time you reviewed the sketch for that project, the Allenwood didn't exist. Okay. So they all understand all this and so we'll have back-to-back sketch and then the next meeting will be the actual master plan. Okay. But we're working with them to kind of clean things up if they can since we have a little extra time. Okay, good. So I would entertain a motion to continue MP 2301 to November 21st. I'll make a motion to continue MP 2301 to November 21st. Thanks, Mark. Welcome back. Thanks, John. Any discussion? Okay. The motion is carried. Next agenda item. Continued site plan application of SP 23036 of Engineers Construction Inc. For after-the-fact approval for a contractor's yard and alteration of grade, the project consists of authorizing the continued use of a contractor's yard to place fill materials at 24 Barad Drive. Marla, tell us what's going on with this, please. So this was the one where the board finished their review and said make some modifications to the Southern driveway for safety. They came up with a sketch they sent me a couple weeks ago and I asked them some questions, sent them the staff report, and then they came back yesterday and said, you know what? We tried it with a truck. It's not going to work. Okay. They have a proposal to move it into the straight section of road. They've sent me a sketch of that, but none of the details, none of the grading, none of the stormwater erosion control, that kind of thing. So they just need a little bit of time to work out those details and come back. The earliest we can accommodate that is November 21st. Okay. I would entertain a motion to continue site plan application SP22036 to November 21st. So moved. Thank you, John. Do we have a second? Thank you, Mark. Discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Aye. The motion is carried. Okay. Minutes of September 19th and October 3rd meetings. I think only in the October 3rd was available at the time I published. So that is in your packet, but September 19th will be in your next packet. Okay. Any, um, anyone want to make a motion to accept the minutes? Move to accept minutes of October 3rd. Thank you, John. Uh, second. Okay. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Great. The motion is carried and the minutes are accepted. Any other business? Okay. Um, that concludes our meeting tonight. Thank you all for attending. We're not. We're not. All right.


If this one thing everybody settles within themselves, we will use this mind to the best of its capabilities. Without a personality, you cannot function in the world, but you don't have to be stuck with one persona. When you consciously wear it, it is there for the function, but you don't become that. Because there is information everywhere nowadays and everybody is just one sitting like away from the information and there is this overwhelming information everywhere. So how to shape up our own individual personality and preserve our individuality? Like is there a balance between adapting to the change time or changing time and saying to yourself? Like how? See, when you say individual personality, see what the word personality comes from a root word called persona. Persona means a mask that you wear. To perform a certain kind of function, you have to wear a certain mask.  When you are on the court, you have one kind of mask that is needed. That mask must be aggressive, bringing fear in your opponent if necessary, whatever. You need to wear that kind of a mask. You don't wear that mask at home. You don't wear that mask with your friend. Because this mask means you must be able to wear by choice and take it off. In this virus time, everybody is masked, no choice, a different kind of mask. But that is what personality means. To perform different types of activities, we need to structure ourselves in a certain way. But what happens over a period of time? By the time people are thirty-thirty-five, they've gotten stuck with one mask. They're not able to take it off. Everywhere they are the same way. Now it will become a painful experience.  But slowly it becomes so grave and long, simply because they're stuck with their own personality. One mask they wore and they can't remove it. All the time it's stuck. So we don't have to crystallize our personality. It's very important we keep our personality so flexible. To perform different types of activities, we should be able to put on different kind of masks. Without a mask, you cannot work. Without a personality, you cannot function in the world. That's for sure. But you don't have to be stuck with one persona. You can be a different person. As the situation demands, you can be that kind of a person.  It's a prison that you build and get stuck to it. If somebody impresses you, that is unfortunate but understandable.  But that's what is happening to ninety percent of the humanity most of the time. But, well, to this... and sir, we just asked that, talking about masks, but I feel that it's not just to yourself.  But it also depends on the other person that you talk to or you react to.  So what do you do for that? Like, for example, you're talking to a person and you don't like that person and you have to act accordingly to what he say. And you might say like, okay, you know what, that is what he said and I have to act in a way that, okay, I need to be nice to... So how do you react to that? Because a lot of times it happens like for everyone, I'm sure. Tell me, tell me, who is that guy first of all? No, no, no. This is going to be news in the country. No, no, no, no.  Like for example, your best friend is doing something and you know, you might not like it, but then you're like, it's okay, you know, never mind. You can't say it on their face saying that, you know, I didn't like it, don't do that. They might get offended, is what I'm saying. I'm usually saying it on that face most of the time.  You know, I sometimes can't tell or, you know, there are a lot of people who can't tell on their faces. See, Sindhu, the thing is, it is not about people being right and wrong. It is just that every human being is acting and living an understanding life according to their understanding and their intelligence. Not everybody can perceive life and understand life to the same extent. If you see people are the way they are because of the limitations that are there, you would strive to see how to help them to break their limitations rather than making a judgment they are right, wrong, good, bad, all these things. There are different types of people. Everything that everybody does, it is not necessary that you must like it or I must like it. It's not so. But there is no need for us.  But right now the problem is the mask sits so tight on your face, you cannot distinguish which is the mask and which is me. So when I say a mask or a persona, what it means is you consciously wear. When you consciously wear it, it is there. It is there for the function, but you don't become that.  So you were not born like this. You were born just this much and now you became this much. This is just accumulation. Body is just an accumulation. Similarly what you call as my mind, my thought, my emotion are accumulations. What we gather belongs to us, cannot be us, isn't it? It is not us. Right now this clothing, it may belong to me, but it can't be me. Similarly the body, similarly the structures of the mind. If we become conscious of this, what is me and what is not me? If this one thing everybody settles within themselves, if they are conscious of this, all these are not a issue. We will use this body, we will use this mind to the best of its capabilities and that's all, especially for you as a sports person. Using your body and mind to the best of its capabilities, all that matters in the end. So right now you yourself would have noticed, as every human being would have noticed in their day-to-day activity, because you are a sports person I am saying for you, because the consequence of you not functioning at your best is immediately right there. For others, if they don't do something well today, it may take two years before the results come to them. For you it is immediate. There's a bad shot right there if you don't function well at that moment. So because of that it is far more easier for you to notice this that how many times in your life your own thought, your own emotion, your own ideas and opinions become a barrier to your function. So in the world there are many, many challenges. Right now we are in a very challenging time, alright?  That is the most important thing every human being should do. What the world will allow us to do or not, we don't know. It depends on the times we are in. See today because you are in twenty-first century you're welding a racket, but probably if you were here a thousand years ago you would be welding a sword or something else, you know? I'm saying it is the times which is allowing us to do what we are doing. So at this time as there are possibilities there are challenges.  If you just remove this one challenge, in your life you will perform to your best. Your best will be the best in the world, we don't know. That's... that is subject to various realities. But the important thing is whether I am the best in the world or not is not important. To your best you are always on.  Other barriers in the world we will have to cross.


Hello everybody and welcome to this rendition of stuff is late on trends, but I really I really I saw this Starbucks cup because recently moved we didn't have any Starbucks near us and then I saw Starbucks cup and I was like this is nice I Could paint on that. So I'm gonna paint on them today using these glitter posca's which I don't know about you guys, but I've never heard of them before and I was like Second there are glitter posca pens what? So we're gonna try them out today But before we start guys, please just a public service announcement that if you would like to be my patron You will get this print reward this month Which has a soft touch finish and is a heavy cardstock print of pride and prettiest ladies in my style and Also, these two stickers which are very much like and I couldn't decide to make it holographic or Normal people are getting two stickers this month. So if you guys want to be savvy with rewards Please go check out the link down below. Thank you very much. Please don't leave this video We're gonna paint now these posca pens how glitter I need to calm down. I need to calm down First of all, we need to get them out of there like plastic grave This is my favorite part of art supplies is when you have to like Get them out of packaging It's a lie that sarcasm by the way if you guys know about my jelly paint videos with opening those plastic lids Which I'm sure everybody now because those jelly paints are so popular. I think everybody has been through that Situation if it wants to open So yeah, oh there we go just twist it. Oh my gosh guys. I'm really excited I've also got a spray-on varnish for this. So once I've done the Posca pen pen paint pens. I'm hoping that the spray-on varnish will keep it safe. Obviously. I won't like Completely submerge some water, but let's see. Maybe it's not for drinking out or after But look I don't know if you can see that but the um the lid and this yellow like blue blue Tip are glitter Well, they have glitter in the plastic and Then there's also like a hollow thing here. I don't know if you can see that but Attention to detail you're gonna love it. Okay. Let's do my twisting method again. That seemed to work There you go guys. There's a pro tip for you. You've got plastic on a pen twist it off. Oh Twist it you get These are so excited Honestly, um, I am actually really excited to try these out because I saw them online and I was like really How have I never heard of this? I obviously I think I'm just dumb Because I'm pretty sure I'm always late to the game with art supplies. I forgot to mention I also got these two Posca brush pen ones and I've been using these quite extensively. I talk a little bit about them in my recent vlog, but They are amazing. I love brush pen anything. So Posca brush pens The only thing that could make it sweeter if these were brush pens as well Yeah, so I'm gonna be using them as well I was like maybe a base here and there because I don't know How opaque these pens are gonna be because even though they are Posca pens they're glitter So usually what happens we've glitter stuff that tends to be a little bit transparent I want to see if they are gonna hold up for the thick color that I want Excuse me rude the twist method Has prevailed lovely jubbly. I don't know why I've had a coffee in case you can tell and I'm excited to get into this Come on. Come on. You're the last one. Don't be difficult There we go. Whoo. Why was that so difficult? Let's just get rid of this packaging Ah, I don't know where to start. I'm really excited in case you can tell from the hundred times I said it. I don't know whether to paint the lid or not. I think I'm gonna keep the lid free Come to this plastic straw, which is great Let's see In my design, I've done some like the Japanese writing of Tamagotchi Oh, well, I don't know if it says Tamagotchi. I'm assuming it does I could say something rude and I'm just like So I'm gonna do that first But I'm gonna do it with my paint pen and then I'm gonna go in with The glitter ones. Oh my gosh. I'm a bit nervous. Okay. Let's just go through it I'm presuming I have some time to just like wash off any mistake Before it dries Do not know because Posca pens are meant to like paint on stuff. So I'll just do the outline first and then I can fill it in. That's probably The best thing to do. I'm very sorry if I butcher this writing Yeah, this probably doesn't make sense because it feels like it needs to be written going down and It probably doesn't make any sense going To the right, but It looks cool. So I probably need to do a couple of coats of this because it's looking quite opaque I hope that isn't the case with the glitter ones because it's gonna be we're gonna be here for a while if that's the case So that's like the basis of it. What do you think? Looks cool, right? I like it. We just need a thousand more layers It is drying which is you know a good sign. Obviously Posca's are kind of made to Go on stuff and be permanent Especially with the because I got a spray varnish, but you know, I've never done this before so I'm not completely sure that it will So guys in the comments, let me know like your care tips if you've done this before maybe I should put like a Maybe I just won't drink out of it as well Which is probably what most people do Even though it would be nice to drink out of it. It'd be cool. Um, but yeah, let me know your care tips. Maybe I can put Like some sticky back plastic on it maybe or something even though you can't really wash that but I just uh, yeah, I think I just won't drink out of it if it turns out to be really nice If it's if if I don't do a good job then I'm drinking out this Ha ha And then I want to try the glitter Let's keep going Oh, that was quick That was super quick. Okay outline this. Yeah, as I thought it is quite transparent So I might need to grab Some more pens so glittery I love it. I'm so glad that it's like actually glittery Oh, it looks cool. Actually Yeah, it is Maybe if I do a few layers like the pink it will become Okay, let's see if it works. It doesn't look that good on camera, but in person it's super glittery Maybe if I shine it in the light It's cool, right? Okay in the light you can see it like shining And it looks good with the contrast of the matte uh Color which I still need to go over again, which I probably should have done before I did the outline But you live you learn so my plan now is to completely decorate this whole thing with in that tamagotchi style I'm going to make this uh the center of the tamagotchi egg and try and do like a little Area where you can see the egg cracking like they do the screens And then I'm just going to paint like different icons from the games The different tamagotchi that can get and then like trying to emulate that kind of 90s Here is the final look. I'm really pleased with the way that it turned out. I think it's a really fun uh mug mug Plastic cup and I really like the shiny glitter poskers. They worked out really well They look a little bit better in real life, but they layer down really easily like they're really quite glossy and watery I don't know if watery is the correct word, but I try to incorporate a lot of tamagotchi kind of symbology and imagery And yeah, I really like the front. I think this obviously looks the best Part of it, but I think it's great and I'm going to leave it there. I'm going to spray this now So hopefully once they do that it will all be good to just Not chip off And that should be all fine. So let me know what you guys think about this in the end And uh, do you what do you think of these glitter poskers? I think they're really cool. And uh, yeah, that's it That's the video and don't forget guys if you want to join patreon, that'll be really awesome And yeah, I really enjoyed making this and I hope that you guys enjoyed watching So hopefully see you next time. Bye