Good morning again in case you're just joining us is the breakfast and plus TV Africa and it's time for our first hot topic And during governors, they're kicking against federal governments directives on refund of palliative fund They've been giving five billion error. Well, that has been approved for them already two billion error I've been given to them out of the five billion error But they've been told that they would have to refund the money and to that idea saying no if we refund it How is it a palliative? Well, I guess this morning is Mohammed Abdullah. He public affairs analyst And he's joined us to take a look at this. Good morning to you Mohammed Yeah, good morning Nigerians. There's a pleasure to be here All right, so Mohammed when this news broke out on Friday Thursday Friday when after they had that meeting About the federal government's approval of that money Well, we didn't get to know where some of us didn't get to know the kind of heated argument that followed that agreement You know that it was there was a shouting match over this Directive to have that money returned at the end of the day How do you see this? New development or how did you process it when it broke out on Thursday Friday? Yeah, I think I would like to side with the governors on this issue because if you are giving a grant or a Loan, I think that should be that there's a specific Difference between what a grant is and then what a loan is The government's I mean the federal government in this instance Is saying is a grant for you know the sake of palliatives in order to cushion the effect of the subsidy removal Then I don't see any reason why it should be tied to a loan repayment On the other hand, I think it would have been Wiser from the federal government to specifically mention at the beginning of all this that know this wouldn't be Like a grant or like a charity disbursement. It would be a loan. So it means Each state that is some that feels it is capable or that feels it needed that kind of intervention We're actually apply and get such loan We're in which all the repayment Plans would have been discussed and then you know acceptable by each party involved But you know, it's a different argument on this instance at the beginning of all this mention. It's you know It's just to question the palliatives of Is just to question the effect of subsidy and this is like you know to be disbursed as Palliatives and even gives a kind of guideline on how states should go about it and what states should expect So I think it's right for the government. I mean for the state governors to not in this time's protest, but at least You know complain about the idea of repayment mind you If you look at some of the challenge some of the complaints of the state governors is the fact that most times The sectarian of the Nigerian Governors for things like these are usually discussed first, you know, and then they take a Unified position at least majority of them will have taken a unified position before Accepting such kind of offer or they are making their own kind of offer to the federal government But in this instance is like the federal government just made a direct a directive Took a position alongside the chairman of the Nigerian Governors for I mean You know, it's like is binding upon all other governors So they feel is not proper. They feel that's not the way The procedures of the Nigerian government and I don't know this is wrong, you know So I think I side with the Nigerian governors in this instance So what you said to those who say who are side who would side the federal government and say look the federal government Is not saying that they should repay the hundred percent of it They're saying 52 percent of this money is given to the states as grants while 48 percent of the five billion Is to be paid back on an installment basis within 20 months to the CBN by the states and the local government areas In nature, you do not think that the federal government is being fair in saying that 48 percent of it should be returned Yes, you might be right to say in terms of fairness fairness, but again Was this discussed was this accepted by the majority of the people? I mean the state governors now to whom this This grant or you know this loan depending on what you want to call it is to be close to you know So that is the challenge, you know, you just The challenge for me. I think is the fact that the state governors were not carrying alone So they felt it's like a decision by the federal government the presidency and then to their dismay again Is that just one of their own who happened to be their team at their leader now? Accepted that without discussing with with them at their own level So I think that is even the major grievances because that seems to be like they have been handed out things without their own approval to their own knowledge and They feel to be a kind of secondary In the decision-making Opportunity that arises there So I think that is the major challenges. I understand that it's not a hundred percent that they're to pay back like you mentioned 48% of the 4 billion or 5 billion because that's another challenge. What we've been seeing here. We've had 5 billion But what we've been seeing flying online even in the communique is 4 billion, you know, but so What the challenge is the discussion the acceptance of the terms and conditions of either this loan or grants by the federal government So I think that is the major issue and I think this is is there should be a way forward there in Probably in some other decisions that will affect my gerians and particularly You want the state governments to to take charge? We need to have an inclusive discussion with all stakeholders so that this kind of a situation would arise I'm just wondering why did the governors even not say we are not ready because none of them seems to have a Register or Data that they're going to disperse this money. What are what are they going to do with the 5 billion? Are they going to to just give out to people who they call porous of the poor or are they going to put it in infrastructure? That will be beneficial to everybody and all that I know the federal government has dictated to them the kind of things that they Need to do but you know, if you make a calculation of 105 billion five billion times the 36 states will give you like a hundred and eighty billion that Naira and as far as I'm concerned 200 billion or 200 million people are the ones that are poor in Nigeria They're the rest the number that is above the 200 million will be the ones that are really rich So if you are dividing that by 200 million you will get just 900 Naira for every individual But the state governors didn't say we are not ready. We don't have data We don't know what we are going to do how we're going to disperse this money They're just fighting over the fact that they were asked to return this money They're not being selfish in some way. Yes, you're right But again if you've been following the proceedings you understand that for instance the choir state government for instance, which I know have come out with a kind of You know a template and a plan on how to actually disperse the money so perhaps Maybe the chairman of the Nigerian governor's forum has is one step ahead of his colleagues I don't know but I have seen online verify the Handle of the state governor. I mean Abdulrahman Mentioning what they intend to do With with the money disbursed. In fact, he they laid out a template of what they need to do From words to look at government and and so on and so forth Majority what I see is the is for instance taking the choir state government as an example Is that they want to use a lot of majority of the monies to to disperse food? Because that's the challenging thing here in Nigeria, you know, most people are hungry If you go online take samples in the social circles, you understand that the major situation confronting Nigerians daily is the fact that The prices of food have skyrocketed people cannot longer feed probably three times daily is now one time or two times for those People are even privileged. So the choir state government for instance is saying yeah, majority of these things will go into Ensuring that the poorest of the poor Will will get to have food But mind you again, there is no clear template on how to like you rightly mentioned in terms of data on how to Indicate it who is actually the poorest of the poor, you know Government officials going to march on every street in choir state or even all over Nigeria to indicate Or to ensure or to know Who is poorest of the poor? How do they intend to do that and so on and so on that's where data comes in You know, we keep happening on the fact that we don't have accurate data I don't want to believe that we don't have data at all in any part of Nigeria I sincerely don't want to believe because we have a whole a whole lot of agencies The mbs Even the mpc and so on and so forth who are charged with this responsibility Yeah, but but I think the major issue is the accuracy of salt data and how updated it is for instance the last time we had sensors was must that was was more than almost I think 20 years ago or so or 15 or so years ago. So but How how how do we update these things? How do update the data that we have because we keep saying we don't have data at all Which I don't think is true But how we do update because as time keeps as as the years keep rolling by We needed to be updating what we have You know to to to to be accurate. So, um, but but but that's a big challenge I to I think to my understanding The each state governor will look at each sector What they feel is the pressing need in their respective state. There will never be a general template. I understand that So each state governor. I think is that the wins of the caprices of the state government respectively across the country to look at each sector that is That they needed to impute that money so that it will affect their citizens and their people The very best but they think sorry they the government that is the governor's even the federal government The same fire removed from what the people really are experiencing And you talk about data that they have it's just that it's not accurate Even the npc settled with the responsibility of getting our data The last time they told us about our population. They say it's estimated at maybe 210 or so they they are not even sure of the number let alone knowing who is in need of what and all that Now the my worry is a democracy should be About the people and what they want How much consultation? Have these governors even made with their people to know what they want? I give you an instance Morin always says I talk about my village, but if you go to my village I doubt if what they want is 990 per person or some other food that you're going to give us If you have money to buy a bag of rice people in my village will will prefer you giving us Cartoons of herbicides for instance that we can use to make our farms to weed our farms to clear the grasses and all that That way after they are during the harvest season We will have more food rather than giving us a bag of rice that we'll eat and finish or maybe share among us With money that could have bought more than a carton of herbicide. Do you understand what I'm saying? So the governors have not done anything to interact with the people and know what they really want they're just sitting in their state houses and thinking of the things that the people should want Do you think that is the right thing to do if you want to give palliatives to the poorest of the poor? It is not absolutely and that's what I mentioned earlier that it be hopes on each state government, you know to look at the respective Areas respective sectors in their respective state Where these funds will be best channel to affect their citizens and people the very best Yes, like you said you said quara has already done that did quara do the needful No, no, I mentioned I said they They made a template particularly on social media on how we wanted to dispose the money majorly in You know creating a kind of What I would call Food food palliative it for instance, but again still the challenge like I mentioned earlier is the fact that There is no clear template to indicate or to say These are the poorest of the poor that this will get to You know, so if you allow me come back to your to your to your to your statement earlier again Now, you know, you made mention of your village. What your village needs Even in I don't know where your village is. Let's let's say let's say reverse it for instance It is it's actually will be different from what probably even the next village that borders your village Need, you know, so so it's it's it's not a general thing. We are on the same Page yeah, there should be like you rightly mentioned Which I agree with there should be a kind of I don't want to use what investigation but a kind of Like like like check a kind of discussion with the stakeholders. Yeah, what are the people? You know to say what do you actually need? There shouldn't be a blanket general, you know Assumption from the state governors and the state government to say, okay, no This is who everybody just did a bag of right because that's in fact That seems to be like the general thing most of them probably are looking at just bags of rice here and there and then so on But I think it should it should be beyond that What does the people do the people need and then how best can we achieve this because even when we say food here Like you gave a very good analogy When we say food here, it doesn't mean yes, it must be rice. It must be maize. It must be that Yeah, we can also generate more food by ensuring that Farm produce are better farm produce are more like you rightly mentioned So if you have a herbicides, you know to produce more which is better You know than just say giving a cup of rice or even a bag of rice that might not take more than one month And it's gone So I think it's because of the government like I keep saying to actually look at properly What the the people need and how do they do this? It's not just like you said by sitting down in their governor's government houses and just assume it No, no, they need probably a town hall meeting. I know in most of the city for instance in Lagos Where I where I am at the moment. I know in my community. We have a community development association We have a chairman who understand the basic need of our community Immediately, so I think government can leverage on that probably call up a town hall meeting of community development associations of You know, maybe probably head of community development associations in their respective states and then discuss this thing and then From there, they should be able to pick up One or two things that really they are the various community needs in their various states. All right, so Mohammed, it does appear That we stand the risk of having this palliative bungled. We've been asking for palliatives palliatives The money has come. We're not satisfied that it's enough to achieve What we need to be achieved to effectively cushion the effects of the subsidy removal On one of the dailies this morning the Guardian newspaper. You have condemnation trails around the distribution of palliatives in Lagos It does appear also to us as I said that we may we stand the risk of bungling this the state Governors how ready are they in their own space to help their people fix the problems that have a reason from this you know fell subsidy removal that they are suffering from and do we also stand the risk of after now Whatever they decide to do with this five billion era either accept it or reject it Do we stand to see a situation where after now Nigerians are still wondering where are the palliatives? We need more palliatives and then what what then after that? Your questions are quite entangled, but Let me answer the best of my ability. I think I think firstly Yes, one of our challenges is that From from every facet of our lives in Nigeria. We don't really prepare. We like to be very reactionary You know, we like to react to things rather than be Approactive Like you rightly mentioned. Yes The party they have been removed something I've been removed now for at least two months or more but then there seems to be a slow pace from every Uh Part of government say federal state and even local government on how to really question this effect, you know So it's that that's a big problem. You know and now that A little I wouldn't say much is being done a little is being done in the in the case of this five billion being disbursed In which two billion has already been disbursed We we we we it is challenging again because we are not prepared. We actually don't know What to do particularly with these monies because at this moment it it it it would have been better that Each of the state government are actually prepared. They have their template. They've made their research They've done their community discussions. They've done their you know, stakeholder discussion And then as soon as the money comes in Boom is being channeled towards these things that are may identify to affect the people more But at the moment it seems this is even the right This is even the moment that perhaps most of the state governments will begin to you know Look at okay, where can we put this money in what can we do? Which which which is not good enough So it we needed to be more active in our actions. We needed to like think ahead You know beyond like just be active. So I agree with you Okay, go ahead, please Then secondly to your question of even being enough, you know, come on 200 million people Five billion or why it's something billion if you look at the total that's that's a very powerful song Has a very powerful song In all ramifications. So it's it's just like a drop of water in an ocean, you know So with the millions of challenges affecting nigerians transportation food Insecurity and so many other things that you can think of it's it's it's it's just like a starting point You know, you know when you just like you're trying to walk and then you are taking those baby crawling steps So I believe It's a starting point and then the state governors as well We we are here with this. We understand that from from july The the the was the disbursement to each governor's I mean to each government and state government was more Compared to what we used to have in the past perhaps from the savings of Subsidy removal. So I think these are also at the news for government for state governors to do more You know, because we we just keep happening on Concentrating on the federal government at most times in Nigeria But we needed now to you know start holding state governors accountable and probably even the local local government And so on if the autonomy because they've been granted autonomy if their monies are are being disbursed to them directly Also, they are the closest to their To the people and to the citizens We need to start holding these two tiers of government accountable for what they do with these monies In fact now that they have more Annotations as a result of subsidy savings. Indeed, but would you suggest that civil society groups begin to mount pressure On these leaders at states levels and local government levels too Let them know that just as all eyes on the judiciary all eyes on them too to see what they do with these monies because We have the two challenges of one the lack of trust, you know Confidence in these governors and the fact that they appear not to be ready at all to do anything They're not ready for the money they've gotten They're not ready to have done something on their own for their people had they not gotten any money from the federal government Yeah, I agree with you not only the civil society organizations in fact as as every nigerian I think is our responsibility to hold our government accountable from all levels I know the freedom of information bill has been passed and a lot of people Not only civil organizations a lot of people are taking advantage of that to Request for what government is doing. So I think it behoves on every one of us myself and yourself inclusive particularly the journalist here We shouldn't just rely on what the government turns out as As news, you know, we should go beyond that to investigate are these things really happening because yeah Like you mentioned there's lack of trust between the citizenry and the government So if the governor says or the government says like I even mentioned earlier The the the one five billion I've been moving around but what I'm seeing in the document is four billion if you calculate 2.80 billion that is said to be the 50 percent and one million nine and 20 that is said to be the 48 percent What I'm seeing is four billion. So I you know, there are some of the challenges So um, so we should investigate more. We should dig deeper and ask government questions as people government as sorry ask Let people ask government questions I I I don't understand the fact that sometimes we have One-on-one situations with these governors or even this local government chairman or even with the president and we ask them Uh question that doesn't really you know make any impact on the citizenry We should go deep and ask Nailed by two questions and ask what are they doing and why are they doing and how are they expending Taxpayers money and for what reason and so on and so forth. So it's very important that the government is held accountable by all and some do Not only the civil society organizations Indeed indeed. Thank you so much. Muhammad abdullahi for your time on the breakfast this morning Thank you very much. Muhammad abdullahi public affairs analysts has joined us on the first hot topic On the breakfast you take a break and come back with the second hot topic. Do stay with us


Countdown for Blastoff. X minus 5, minus 4, minus 3, minus 2, X minus 1. Fire! From the far horizons of the unknown come tales of new dimensions in time and space. These are stories of the future. Adventures in which you'll live in a million could be years on a thousand would-be worlds. The National Broadcasting Company presents X minus 1. Tonight's story, The Man in the Moon. Attention, attention. This is the Federal Bureau of Missing Persons calling all local agencies. Attention, this is a coded report nationwide. Missing since 9 o'clock this morning the following persons, Smigley, Jonathan, 5 feet 8 inches tall, brown hair, brown eyes, mastoid scar behind right ear, last seen wearing blue top coat and tan cap, wandered by Los Angeles. Hello, get off this wavelength. This is a restricted band. Hello, hello, Earth.  Tune out. This frequency is reserved for the Federal Bureau of Missing Persons. Hello, Earth. Calling Earth. Hello, Earth. This guy is loony. Taking transmission. Jake, there's Charlie in the code room. Some crackpot is on our frequency. Yeah, I heard him, Charlie. I've got CQ trying to trace a source now. We should have a triangulation any second. Well, hurry it up. Well, you're some hammers in for a good stiff find by the FCC. Yeah, they ought to take his license away. Oh, here comes Lenny with the direction fix. Right. Thank you. What's this? This is impossible. What's going on down there? How about it? Get that ham out of my killer cycles. Oh, listen, Charlie, unless this is a gag, that interference is being beamed from 240,000 miles away. Oh, now, Jake, you know there ain't no such thing as 240,000 miles away. Yes, there is, Charlie. Straight up. Oh, now, wait a minute. Charlie, that signal is coming from the moon.  Somebody might be bouncing it like a radar signal. Radar on this frequency? Where'd you study basic radio? Now, listen, Flathead, you asked for a fix. I gave the best fix our instruments can find. Take it or leave it. Somebody on the moon is calling the Bureau of Missing Persons. What's the sweat, Charlie? Shouldn't you be broadcasting? Listen, Mr. Timkin, you know I'm a sober citizen, right? But once have I broadcast with the smell of alcohol on my breath, right? Right. In all your 12 years here at the Bureau, did I once ever... What's the matter, Charlie? We're picking up a message on our wavelengths. When did you report to the FCC? I ain't got the nerve. Well, what's wrong? You'll scream when you hear this, Mr. Timkin. You'll jump right out the window, but... We are getting an SOS from the moon. Flat City started unvoiced and switched to morse. The way the signal repeats sounds like a phonograph record or automatic sender of some sort. Well, what's it say? Uh, let's see here. Can you read me? Help, Otterburn. We'll contact when moon is in phase. Let's have that again. Can you read me? Help, Otterburn. We'll contact when moon is in phase. Otterburn. That sounds like a name, huh? Otterburn, Otter... Wait a minute! Something registered? Cranidius, Otterburn. Only jumping your hose up there. Hey, where are you going? Hey, wait a minute! What are you going to tell him? We just got a CQ from the man in the moon? That's exactly what I am going to tell him, Charlie. This... Just too much for me. Uh, let me have O'Brien on city desk. I love it. Seamus, Charlie Starbuck, down at the missing persons bureau. You want a hot one, no kidding. This will cost you a beer, okay? All right. Thirty seconds. Okay. We just got a radio message from the moon. Yeah. From the moon. Call me back when you're sober. Okay, Seamus. If you don't know a story when you see one, I'll... I'll send you the name of a good psychiatrist. Solong Orson Welles. How do you like that? He don't believe me. Otterburn, Mr. Wade. Now, does that name ring a bell? You're the man with the photographic memory, Henry. What about Otterburn? Cranidius Otterburn, atomic physicist. Reported missing from his home in Baltimore on June 5th, 1945. Just five years ago. Vanished completely. Are you trying to tell me you really think there's something to this man in the moon business? Henry, I'm surprised at you. This is some crackpot trying to jam the airwaves. Yes, but the name Otterburn is so unusual. So are a lot of names. I have a theory that... I was afraid of that. Henry, you always have a theory. Let's see, what was it last year? Oh, yes. That people disappear in occupational cycles. But it's true. Please, Henry, I'm a busy man. Expect me to believe that this Otterburn is sitting up on the moon, sending out shortwave messages. Well, he might be on earth bouncing the messages off the moon. But who's to say he isn't on the moon? Henry is chief of this bureau. I have my hands full trying to coordinate reports from 48 states in Alaska. I have no time to include the moon. But Mr. Wade... Out, Henry. But Mr. Wade... Out, I'm busy. Yes, sir. Oh, here. Take this folder of reports for the dead file. Yes, sir. And no more nonsense, eh, Henry? Yes, sir. I appreciate that you have a very dull job filing old missing persons reports. And I appreciate that you take an active interest in the affairs of the bureau. But no more nonsense, eh? No, sir. No more nonsense. Eh, pardon me. Hmm? You are Mr. Henry Timkin. That's my name. Permit me, Jefferson, file a scientific feature writer. Well, how do you do? Well, are you a newspaper man? Not exactly. I write as a hobby. Occasionally the papers give me leads on an assignment. If I may have a moment of your time. Well, certainly. Just sit down at my desk over here. Thank you. My, that's quite a stack of papers. Filing. I'm the records custodian of the bureau. 12 years and never misplaced a record. Magnificent. I admire the precise mind. Mr... Timkin. Of course. Now, Mr. Timkin. Mr. O'Brien, the editor of the Starlight, just said I might drop by and investigate a rumor.  That a message from the, uh, moon? Well, we aren't certain it's from the moon. It may be a bounce. They have bounced radar waves off the moon, you know. Yes, I know. I wrote the first newspaper article on it. Really? I'd be interested to read it. I must have a copy in my bookcase. Well, don't bother. Oh, but I insist. Oh, yes. There you are. I'll leave it on your desk. Oh, thank you very much. Now, about this message from the moon, Mr. Timkin... Now, we don't know for sure, as I said, but I believe that this message, wherever it originates, is from Cornelius Otterburn. The physicist? Oh, do you know him? I once wrote an article on his contributions in nuclear mechanics. A brilliant man, Otterburn. Years ahead of his contemporaries. Well, whoever is sending those signals, if he isn't on the moon, is at least using the moon as a sounding board, bouncing the signal. But why, Mr. Timkin? Why? And if you will come here tomorrow night at eight, Mr. Filo, we may learn the answer to that question. I've arranged with Charlie our radio man to let me use the equipment. May I consider this an invitation? You certainly may. Very well, sir. Until tomorrow night, then. Goodbye, Mr. Filo. Hmm. Let's see now. Akin, Abelard, Abramson, Ronno, Atch... That's funny. Now, where did this list of names come from? Paul Arons, astro-mathematician, Robert Simons, electronic engineer, Carl Parker, mining specialist. Well, this must have got mixed up with the papers on my desk by accident. A peculiar list of names. Oh, good morning, Charlie. Oh, hi, Mr. Timkin. See, we made the papers. Oh? And how? And as the chief steamed up about it, he really gave me what for. What did the papers say? Oh, mostly, ha-ha. Here's a hero, listen. Man on the moon contacts missing person's bureau. Missing atomic scientists sitting on the moon say bureau experts, et cetera, et cetera. What a panning. Well, no wonder Mr. Wade is hopping. Say, about tonight, Mr. Timkin, I don't know. Now, you promised you would give me a key to the radio room. Yeah, but I didn't expect this. I'll take full responsibility with Mr. Wade. At the time for the morning broadcast, we got quite a list today. Well, mind if I listen a while, I may hear Otterburn. Why? It's self-conscious. Just stick around. Yes. Attention, attention. This is the Federal Missing Persons Bureau calling all local agencies. Nationwide, this is a coded broadcast. The following persons are missing. Aaron's, Dr. Paul. What? 5 feet 5, brown hair, brown eyes. Scar on left side of chin, thick glasses. Aaron's. Occupation, astro-mathematician. Missing since 6 o'clock this morning. Okay. Being sought by Bel Air Police. Charlie. Repeat. Dr. Paul Aaron.  Hold it. A delay one minute. Listen, Mr. Timkin, it's okay to stay, but you can't interrupt. This is important. Did you say Dr. Aaron's was reported missing this morning? 6 a.m. We got the report from Bel Air less than an hour ago. Are you certain, Charlie? Positive. What is this? Charlie, what's the next name on the list? Uh, let's see. It's Simmons. Robert, engineer. What? Came in less than 20 minutes ago. 20? Hey, what's the matter with you?  There's nothing, Charlie, except that last night, quite by accident, someone left a list of names on my desk, and that list included the names of those two men who were reported missing within the last hour. What? Oh, that don't sound right to me. Well, it isn't right, Charlie. It gives a big question to be answered. Who would make up a list of missing persons before they were missing? Not after. And you say this list of names was left on your desk accidentally? I believe so, Mr. Wade. Do you have any ideas, Henry? It's hard to say. Mr. Filo left some papers from his briefcase. Mr. Filo? A science feature writer. Let's see. You were the leak on that story, then. Yes, sir, I'm afraid I was. I didn't think it would be treated as a laughing matter. We'll deal with that later. Yes. What's this Filo like? Well, he's a strange old duck. Bald, thick glasses, tall. He walks stooped over. Seems to know a great deal about scientific data. But of course, being a science writer, Is there any other possibility? I believe that this is all hooked up with the broadcast from Otterburn. That seems to be a very remote possibility. A missing persons bureau deals in remote possibilities, Mr. Wade. I do not require a statement of policy. Yes, sir. What's the theory? For some time now, it has been my contention that in a country like ours where even the cleverest criminal can be ferreted out and located eventually, there is no such thing as a missing person. I was afraid of that. For 12 years now, I have kept the central files where information from all over the country is channeled and recorded. I have made a private study. This is beginning to sound familiar. And I have discovered that each year literally thousands of persons vanish leaving no trace. They are never located. Where do they go? Nobody knows. And they disappear in interesting cycles. What sort of cycles? Occupations, for example. One year we will have a run on, well, say coal miners. Next year the proportion of engineers increases. And then scientists. What do you think happens, Henry? I do not know, Mr. Wade, but I am beginning to suspect that somebody else has discovered the same phenomenon even to the point perhaps of being able to predict who will turn up among the missing next. Hello. Hello. I do not know. But I would like to find out. And you think Otto Byrne may be a part of this picture? Mr. Wade, I definitely do. Henry, do you honestly expect me to buy an idea like that? Well, it is more than an idea. The two top men on this list are missing. Maybe so, but the rest of them aren't. Parker Watson Gibbs. Why I saw Parker in the restaurant where I had lunch today. Yes, but...  Well, I... Excuse me. Yes. Hello. Wade speaking. Yes. Yes. You see. What name? Just a moment. Henry, let me see that list again. Here you are, sir. Go ahead. I see. I'll get back to you. I guess I owe you an apology, Henry. Sir? Harold Parker was just reported missing. Parker? Third man on your list. Holy mackerel. Exactly. Henry, for a good many years now, I have ridiculed these theories of yours. I don't know. Perhaps I have underestimated you. Maybe this time you've really stumbled onto something. What do you intend to do, Mr. Wade? I don't know. I haven't thought it out yet. I was planning to listen for another broadcast tonight in the hope that Otterburn might try to contact us again. Good idea. I believe I'll join you. I also invited Mr. Filo the feature writer. Oh. I'll be glad to meet him. I'm beginning to get interested in you, Mr. Filo. Wade, you don't think... That he's mixed up in this? Yes. I don't know, Henry. But it suddenly strikes me that we don't know very much about him, really. We ought to contact the police. No, Henry. I think we're better off keeping this between ourselves for the moment. We're dealing with the unknown. And in solving an equation for the X factor, it's often easier to limit the number of terms. Follow me. We don't know, Mr. Wade. There may be more danger in what you have discovered than you are aware of. Let's keep it quiet. You agree? Maybe you're right, Mr. Wade. I haven't thought of the danger involved. It's eight o'clock. When Mr. Filo is late... He said he'd be here. He strikes me as a man who keeps appointments. Look out the window. Yes. The moon is almost in direct phase. We can't wait much longer. That's a perfectly clear knife for transmission. If anybody's sending, we ought to pick it up with this equipment. You'd better switch on the set. Yes. I never realized how eerie this office could be when it was empty. I left a light in the hall for Mr. Filo when he comes. Are you getting anything? Just some foreign stuff, I think. That's a peculiar transmission sound. That sounds like something. Let's see if I can work the selector. The moon is in phase. Yes. I'll try to return. Hello? Hello? Hello, do you hear me? Who are you? Can you hear me? Who are you? This is Professor Cornelius Otterburn. Hello? Go on. I hear you. Not much time. They're on to me. You hear me? Go ahead. Keep talking. I've only enough oxygen for a few minutes more. Where are you? I'm on the Earth's side of the moon. You get that? The Earth's side of the moon. A volcanic crater. Start that recorder, Mr. Wade. Go on. Explain, please. Explain, please. Listen closely. There is an Earth's colony on the moon. There is an Earth's colony on the far side of the moon. Made up of renegade scientists and criminals. Professor Ernst Halsman. He died in an insane asylum in 1938. Professor Ernst Halsman discovered nuclear rocket power in 1935. He turned his plans over to escape inmates of the asylum. They took off and set up a colony on the far side of the moon in 1938. Go ahead. We're recording you. Each year, they recruit new colonists from Earth. Slave labor mostly. I was kidnapped in 1945. I know. Keep talking. They wanted me to work on atomic drive for their flying disk. Still getting you? Go on. Last month, six others and I escaped. Speak louder. You got to stop them. Stop who? The Moon colony. Planning to take over the Earth. Invasion. Hang on. No oxygen. Hard to breathe. Listen. They have agents on Earth. Agents on Earth? Where? Hello? Hello? Agents on Earth. Henry, look out. Someone at the window. Get down. Henry. Are you all right? I think so. Shots smashed to the transmitter. And the lights. Strike a match. Careful. It was close. I got a look at him. From the description it was your Mr. Filo. We got a recording anyway. But not the most important part of the message. Poor Otterberg. Suffocating to death. Henry, we've got to get you out of here. He said they have agents. Filo was probably one of them.  The police. Do you think the police would believe a fantastic story like this? People being kidnapped to the moon as slave labor. Moon colony planning an invasion of the Earth. But Henry, believe me, they'd trap us into straight jackets before we could finish. We've got to do something. We need time. Time to get through. You don't think my theory was bunk then? I know it wasn't, Henry. Right now my only concern is for your safety. But we can't walk out of here. Filo's probably waiting. Listen. There's a service elevator that leads to the basement garage. Yeah? We can get down there. There are some delivery trucks parked there all night. We can probably get one started. Change doors off the ramp, work from the inside. We'll start the mechanism and make a run for it. I don't know. I think if we call the police... By the time the police get here, we'll be dead. You think Filo will wait outside all night? Come on. That's an order. Okay. But what about the recording of Otterburn's notes? We'll leave that here in the safe in my office. They'll never get into that. Let's go. You buzz the elevator while I hide the recording. This is the basement. Come on. Keep to the side. Yes, sir. Let's try that delivery truck over there. I'll get in. All right, Henry. You start the mechanism to open the garage door. Then jump on with the truck. Yes, sir. We'll make a dash for it. Where can we go? I have a farm outside Chevy Chase. It's private. Miles from the nearest neighbor and completely hidden by trees. We'll run for that. Go ahead. Start the door up. All right. Quick. Jump in. Cross your fingers. We made it out all right. Anything doing? There's a blue coop behind us, Mr. Wade. It seems to be following. I'll cut up Pennsylvania Avenue. Now route one toward Baltimore. It is following. He turned with us. Can you go faster? I'm much faster. He's gaining on us. I've got an idea. Hang on, Henry. Yes. Why did you stop? I'll turn off the lights. It worked. He shot right past us. Now we'll double back and go out another route. I don't see anything. I think we've lost him. Good. I think everything is going to be all right now. We can beat my farm in less than an hour. Not much longer now. Is anyone behind us? I thought I saw the blue coop again, but I was mistaken. This place is really hot in the wilderness. You can stay here indefinitely until we'll figure out the next move. Now just up this dirt road now, there's the house up ahead. You're not going toward it? No, I have a better idea. There's a big abandoned wheat sallow on my grounds. It's down a hollow where it can't be seen except in the air. And even then, the oak trees shielded. We'll hide you out there. Now we leave the truck here and it'll be seen. Come on. Yes. How did you ever find this place, Mr. Wade? I've always liked seclusion. I bought it about 12 years ago. Come up here in the summertime to get away from it all. There's the silo. It's certainly well hidden. There's a small door around the side. Come on. Careful of those bushes. Yes. It's hard to see them in the dark. Do you suppose Philo will find us? Are you sure you, Henry, Mr. Philo will never find us here? Not in a million years. Here's the door. It's pitch dark. Hold my arm. I know the way. Just a few steps up and another door. Steel. This is an unusual silo. It's almost double walled wood outside and steel inside. Completely fireproof. An army couldn't break it. We're inside the inner shell. Careful. We're in a circular room. Stay here a moment. I'll go outside and see if the coast is clear. In a moment your eyes will become accustomed to the darkness. I'll bring back some food and water. Don't be long, Mr. Wade. This place gives me the willies. Just a moment. Mr. Wade. Where are you? Mr. Wade. What's happening? There is something. Good lord. There's someone in here. It's locked. Oh no. This must be a light switch. People in 15, 20. Speaking of the intercom. Mr. Wade, there are people in here. 15 or 20 of them. They're sitting like statues just staring at me.  Who are they? The gentleman seated before you, the one with the scar, is Dr. Paul Erics, the astro-mathematician. Next to him is Mr. Robert Simons, electronic engineer. Teams on the list. Yes. They've all been, shall we say, recruited. They'll work with Professor Horseman's group on the moon. Moon? Then you... You're one of them. Of course. Oh yes. There's one whose name was not on our list. If you'll turn around, Henry, you'll recognise the drug to form of your old... Well, but I thought... He was part of the conspiracy. His snooping made it necessary for us to include... Please put the man in the window. The one who finds the shot. An agent of mine. What ship? This silo is camouflaged for a rocket launch that will slide back for the rocket's takeoff. A rocket ship? In exactly 70 hours, you and your companions will join Professor Otterburn on the moon. What? You see, there was another name. Bon voyage. I've been since eight o'clock last night the following persons. Timkin, Henry, age 45, height 5 feet 8, 165 pound records custodian. Repeat, Timkin, age 45. In just a moment, a word about next week's adventure. Tonight by transcription, X minus one has brought you The Man in the Moon, an original radio drama written by George Lefferts. Featured in the cast, where Louis van Rooten as Henry, Santos Ortega as the chief, Ross Martin as Charlie, Sidney Smith as Otterburn, Bob Hague as Jake, Joe DeSantis as Philo, and Ed Latimer as O'Brien, your announcer Fred Collins. X minus one was directed by Fred Way and is an NBC radio network production. And now, next week, the sign on the window said Perigi's Wonderful Dolls. A woman and a child waited outside. The little girl peering eagerly through the window and the woman glancing impatiently at her wristwatch as if expecting someone who was late for an appointment. And there was nothing about Perigi's doll shop to warn them that they were waiting to keep an appointment.


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Dear students, I welcome you in the course of Leadership, Emotional Intelligence and the CN Making. This is module number 61 and we are going to talk about be whole, act with integrity, seeing your life as a system. When we talk about system, it would include yourself and obviously your stakeholders, your four-way dimensions, your four-way wins. Basically we have to see that what are our expectations from them and what are their expectations from us. So when we talk about seeing the life as a system, remember our leader must understand the expectation of all the stakeholders, that what are those expectations and how we are going to meet with those expectations. And this is the responsibility of the leader to meet up with the followers. So for that particular purpose, there is another exercise we have to talk about and this is exercise number 9. In this exercise, we have to see that when we fill the stakeholder expectation grid in our previous modules 59 and 60, we will have to see what ideas we are getting there and what ideas we can use to achieve our four-way wins. Where we can see gaps, where we can see the signs that we need to improve our expectations. Same is the case, when we jot down those ideas and list them down, then we have to ask certain questions related to our stakeholder expectation. And those questions are number one, in which domains are you doing best in meeting expectations and where we are performing the worst. Therefore, remember that when we identify where we are doing good in our relationships with our stakeholders, we will make those things as a benchmark for ourselves. And where we feel that we are doing the worst, we will mark those things because there is a need for corrective action. The second thing we need to look at is, is the solution to be found with you or them? You will have to see that the grid we filled in module number 59 and 60, we have to see where you need to correct and where they need to be corrected. Because remember, to meet expectations, it is a two-way process. And in a two-way process, it can be a mistake on both sides. The third thing we need to see is talking about which relationships would be easiest to change. You have to see who you are more comfortable with, who you move more in the comfort zone. Which stakeholders you can communicate better with, meet their expectations and meet your expectations. After identifying those stakeholders, you will see why such a relationship is with them. What are the constructs, what are the variables, what are the aspects, on which your relationship with them is on a stronger basis. Because it is possible that the same kind of basis, the same kind of aspects should be established with other stakeholders. So remember, we have to see that which would be the hardest. You have to see that which stakeholders are showing difficulties to deal with you. Where there are more conditions and constraints. Where you have to face more enemies. And why are their reasons? What are the reasons? So that we can know those reasons and try to get rid of them. In exercise number 9, the last concern would be that how can you improve the satisfaction and performance in one domain by improving the performance and satisfaction in other domains. Because remember that your personality is not isolated.  And in one domain, if your relationships and relationships are good, then its effect will be on other domains. And if your relationships and relationships are bad in the other domain, then its effect can be on other domains. Dear students, if we conclude everything, then remember that we have to be sensitive about our relationships. And until we value our relationships in true meanings, it will be difficult for us to meet expectations and to bring priorities on this basis. So that we can bring our decisions, creativity and innovation. Thank you.


Live from the Austin Convention Center in Austin, Texas, it's theCUBE at Dell World 2014. Here are your hosts, Dave Vellante and Stu Miniman. Okay, we're back here at Dell World 2014 in the Austin Convention Center. Stu and I have been going all day, we'll be here all day tomorrow as well. Tom Burns is here, he's the Vice President and General Manager of Dell Networking. Tom, welcome to theCUBE. Thanks very much, it's great to be here. Networking, lots of changes coming, right? The compute scaling out, the storage is scaling out. Is the network going to scale out? The networking is absolutely scaling out. We're having to meet all the various needs of our customers around cloud, big data, analytics, mobility, security, and all this is demanding much higher bandwidth, much better latency and performance, and the capability really to give customers the choice to maybe start in the mid-range and scale up over time as they add additional applications, users, and so forth. I mean, you're seeing some real interesting shifts in the networking space. You've got a dominant player in Cisco, has 66% of the market, and then all of a sudden, VMware's making some moves, and then it's just a really interesting dynamic. I talked about the scale out. It feels like there's a little earthquake happening. What is happening? Networking is cool again. For so long, there was not a lot of change. Cisco was dominant, you had the seven dwarfs, yet you were really basing all the technology on traditional proprietary hardware and software, hundreds of protocols that no one really used. But you know that the world is changing both coming from the various things from big data cloud, like we talked about, but also the technology that's underlying is changing it. And I think what's really cool at Dell, we embrace open, standard space technology. And if you look at the network, what's really happened, this is all available. Third-party silicon, we're starting to see third-party software, common tools for orchestration and management that really help the company look at the network similar to how they look at compute and more and more at storage, agility, flexibility, and really being able to point at their users rather than managing a black box. So I think it's a great time, and Dell is absolutely embracing this transformation. Yeah. Tom, I don't know if I can say that networking's cool yet. It's definitely interesting times. It's no longer just about Cisco. It's my generation's. The line between virtualization. Networking database are cool too. Yeah, yeah, yeah, come on. You know, the physical and virtual world. And I want to dig in a little bit more to the open networking, because that's definitely interesting and a hot topic. You guys have partnerships with Cumulus. You're opening up to kind of create an operating system. Can you unpack that a little bit for us? You know, what does open networking mean? What should customers be thinking about? And what's the offerings that Dell has? Well, sure. You know, getting back to how the technology evolved. If you go back two decades ago, you had the mainframe computer. Proprietary hardware, proprietary ASICs, proprietary software, challenging orchestration, very expensive management tools, right? And so companies such as HP and Dell with the help of companies like Intel really pretty much standardized that hardware platform, incorporated third-party software, proved out the scalability and the performance and the support, and really transformed the compute industry to where Dell is obviously number two in the world, number one here in the US and in Asia-Pac. We believe that change in technology to third-party ASICs, to open available Linux-based software, to more common orchestration and management, the time is now, it's there. And so we made this announcement about a year ago. Our first contract and partnership was with Cumulus Networks. We then signed in April an agreement with Big Switch. They're kind of sitting in different paths of SDN. If you look at Cumulus kind of from a programmability and maybe virtualization, and helping companies accelerate in that particular path of SDN. Whereas Big Switch is more traditional open flow, but offering a great service with their big tap operating controller, really looking at application monitoring. Again, virtualizing some of the products coming from Gigamon and Nixie and so forth about applications. So I think the underlying basis of open networking is the tradition of Dell. Make the complex simple. Standardize on commodity-based, commercially available hardware. Offer customers a choice in software and then wrap that with great consultation, great support, great logistics. And we've seen tremendous traction, and I must say all incremental traction. These are accounts that simply are looking to make a change from networking. They're not just looking to make a change from Cisco as an example. They want to look at networking in a much different way, get everything closer to compute, much simplified, much more easier to manage, more flexibility and agility. Yeah, Tom, I think you're bringing up a great point. One of the challenges with SDN is, first of all, what does it mean? And it's not simple. There's so many pieces. My overlays, my underlays, how does it fit in my environment? The open networking attacks a specific challenge that customers have. I want to talk about another solution set that you guys are offering, which has been seeing revenue, and it's simple, which is the network function virtualization, or NFB. Yep, really not targeted to the enterprise, but the telco. Can you talk a little bit about what you guys are doing this week with NFB? Well, very simply, I see NFB as the SDN for carriers. Carriers have been managing very complex, very expensive, multiple types of networks to deliver their services. And more and more of this can move to an x86 environment and more virtualization. So two weeks ago at the World SDN Congress in Germany, we announced our NFB strategy, which is very similar to our SDN strategy. Open, standards-based, commercially available, but also creating an ecosystem of partners giving customers that choice. And we created basically the Dell infrastructure for NFB, which incorporates our 13G server, our open networking product, and our Dell storage and Dell software. But also today we actually announced the relationship with Brocade and Intel, where we're incorporating Brocade's Viata software onto our 13G server, powered by Intel, and we're giving companies the capability to virtualize those edge routers. And so again, it's about taking advantage of the existing infrastructure, trying to eliminate the number of pieces of infrastructure, putting more of it towards compute and really optimizing cost and focus, flexibility and agility. So what's happening at the skill sets level? Because practitioners are still heavily wired to sort of the old way. And they've got certifications and sort of set in their ways. So what are you seeing in the customer base and how are you sort of helping people reskill, retrain and think about the new? You know, it's absolutely a very important question. It's a great question and we hear a lot from our customers today. Traditionally you've needed these certified networking engineers in order to do these physical changes to the network, to manage it, to monitor it, to configure it. And as you move more to a simplified set of technologies and more common tool sets, these needs diminish a bit. At least at some of the core parts of the data center is that simplicity enters in a software defined data center. I think the answer is you reskill. I mean, these are very intelligent people that know a lot about the data center, know a lot about the traffic and the applications that are impacting the network and you reskill them to focus on users, on the rolling out of those applications. And really it's not about getting rid of CCIEs, although I would like to say that three years from now, five years from now, CLI is not needed to run networks. Let's go to a common set of tools, a common set of language in a Linux based environment and that should actually have those particular skill sets focused towards the users and not towards the box. How are metrics changing in the networking world? And what are people focusing on as cost per port? Well, I think it's latency, it's performance and its capacity. In addition, more and more power requirements, cooling, et cetera, and that's where Dell networking has done very well. We've actually capitalized on a lot of the intellectual property that our server team has done. A lot of our top of rack switches are now naturally are cooled. Our current top of rack 40 gig is I believe about half the power requirements to some of our competitors to provide 40 gig. So tremendous cost savings as you look as a TCO over about three years. So I think the focus is big data and analytics. I need more capacity. I need to have some of the security built into the network. I need to make it more manageable. If you look at BYOD, the trend that's been happening for some time, I need to authenticate, manage, deploy, and potentially cut off those mobile devices within the network. So I think a lot of the dynamics are around those concerns, certainly security being one of the strongest, but still a lot of focus on the network, that's for sure. So Tom, you also handle some of the converge solutions out there and if you look at most of the converge infrastructure solutions, the networking, if you talk about compute, storage, network, and management, networking kind of is usually the smallest piece. I mean Cisco obviously has a strong focus on networking, but as we look forward to some of these new applications, it's high bandwidth, really low latency, things like RDMA over convergent internet, Rocky, SMB3 for Microsoft environments are very important. Can you talk about kind of that line between the networking and the convergence and how that plays into your teams? Well, you know, the advantage that Dell has is having a foot put in each one of the domains, right, and networking, servers, and storage, and we work very closely together to an essence, put more and more of the capability towards compute or at least closer to the compute. I mean, if you think about the introduction of our Blade networking products when Force 10 was first acquired, that was about bringing 10 and 40 gig into our 1,000 E, putting the network closer to, you know, the compute helping with east-west versus north-south traffic, that helps performance, that helps latency. If you look at the convergence that we introduced with our fiber channel ethernet switch, eliminating a top of rack switch from a fiber channel perspective, giving the combination of fiber channel and ethernet in this same fixed RU top of rack product. Vertex, bringing server storage and networking together in a small office branch office environment. What's cool about that is not just the fact that all of it is in this kind of encapsulated product, it's all singly managed. So what we've done is we've eliminated, again, back to the complexity of network. We've simplified the networking capability. So the same, you know, compute administrators that using OME or CMC from Dell is able to configure and manage the switch. And now with FX2, as far as I'm concerned, we've taken a step ahead in the industry. We've combined server storage and networking and two RU, giving customers options of different modules. We've got an IO aggregator in the back that provides eight ports of connectivity per module from the inside, four ports externally. You can add two modules that comes in copper, fiber, or a combo of fiber and fiber channel, excuse me, and ethernet as well, and really lowers the, in essence, the wiring, almost eight to one. So if you're connecting eight, 10 ports from the server into the internal, we basically can take that out to the top of rack with one cable. So tremendous, you know, consolidation, eliminating steps, but lastly again, all singly managed by one management system across all three domains. So I think that's what's key for us. We've studied this notion of, we call it a single managed entity and how it saves time. We had Sam Greenblatt on just now and we were talking about, I was lamenting about how labor-intensive our business is, and he said, you know, I got a new BMW and you open up the hood, you can't touch anything. It used to take a half day, now they can do in minutes and they've driven the cost down. But so it's saving time, you use the automobile industry, so that's clearly coming to the IT business. What are people doing with all this freed up time as a result of these sort of converged infrastructures and the like?  Customers are really looking for that lower portion below the virtualizer to be, you know, in essence, maintenance and management free. They just want it to run. So they're going to divert resources to the upper layer, the upper APIs, doing those service applications and delivering more and more. It's what we call the Future Ready IT, right? The traditional IT managed boxes. The Future Ready IT has to work with its users, deliver services, has to go from doc to rack to deliver if these applications must faster and has to eliminate those steps that you talked about out of the process. So I think, you know, these people, they're focused on their users. They're focused on using the technology to create differentiation rather than managing, you know, three silos of the infrastructure and really creating competitive advantage. I mean, that's truly why I'm in this business. I'm passionate about using technology to help companies create, you know, competitive advantage. And so presumably that's touching the application more, supporting the application development, new business models and the like. Somebody remarked a couple of years ago that the hyperscale guys, the Amazons, the Googles, they'll spend, you know, engineering resource to save money, but IT guys, they'll spend money to save time. And they're looking to buy a brick of, a block of infrastructure that they don't have to mess with. And that's really what you're providing here. No, absolutely. I mean, if you think about the first concepts around software defined networking, the belief was, well, the switch is going to become cheaper. So your CapEx is going to get reduced, right? That's what everyone kind of thought. I mean, you talk to customers now, you're looking at deployments. In fact, we just had Medea, one of our customers on Cumulus and with our 40 gig. The things that he talked about was the time to reduce and getting those stages rolled out on his applications and facing his users. He's a software as a service provider. He's providing customer relationship management on demand for up to, you know, multiple customers to as many as 100,000 users instantaneously. He's got to be focused towards them. He hasn't to have to be thinking about how do I roll out the switch? How do I bring it together with my storage and my compute? He wants that to be seamless, consistent management. So, you know, SDN, SDDC, whatever you want to frame it, it's about handing more flexibility, more agility to the customer so that they can focus on what's important to their company rather than, again, managing boxes. Tom, how about quality of service as we move to this sort of elastic, pay-by-the-drink environment? What should customers expect from quality of service in terms of their ability to essentially policy it, control it, and deliver to their constituents? Well, I think, yeah, it's a very important question and I think obviously quality of service is still absolutely critical. And I think when you and I are using the network when something happens, we're upset. And so, the quality needs to be there. The question is, is how do you manage, in essence, virtualize that quality of service between the various applications, whether they be voice, data, or video, and basically change that on a real-time basis based upon demand. And so, actually, that's where we see some of the current SDN deployments. It's really in this multi-tenant environment where on a real-time basis, you can, in essence, adjust the network from a software perspective, applying more QoS to a particular department or application, maybe de-throttling certain other areas where you don't need that sense of quality of service. So, absolutely still critical from the network performance standpoint, but I think the whole area of software-defined and putting more of that control at a software level, vis-a-vis programming, a controller, or a hypervisor is absolutely critical. What about, and we got to end it here soon, but let's end on this. What about sort of thinking ahead to the future? What are customers wanting from you? What should we think about the network and the converged infrastructure going forward? What's it going to look like? What are the requirements that the industry's not meeting today that you guys think you can solve in the midterm? Well, I think we're solving some of it, and in fact, I think it's back to the overall Dell enterprise strategy, which ties in well to the Dell strategy. These are the industry trends around big data, cloud, all the things that we've talked about. How do we take an IT from the old IT to the new IT? How do we have them compete with the likes of a Microsoft, an Amazon, a Google, which provides real-time services on demand to their users? How do we create that environment? And part of that is bringing server storage and networking together, improving the management, the agility, and the flexibility, meeting the demands of their particular users, and I think that's what we're focused on. I think the other thing we'll see now, if you thought about this 20 years ago, converged infrastructure existed. It was these huge IBM machines that had server storage together, and they took up probably at half of the size of a room. If you look at our FX2, which incorporates high-capacity compute, storage, and networking into a two-RU fixed module, starting from the small SMB, being able to scale up, being able to stack, we're looking at actually making the data center smaller, easier to cool, less power, and just as much capacity and scalability as there can be, again, making it kind of that platform rather than three silos of server storage and networking. Excellent, all right, so giving the folks in IT an ability to behave like mega-server suppliers is really what the mission is. Absolutely, I think that's the plan. All right, Tom, thanks very much for coming to theCUBE. Thank you very much, appreciate it. All right, keep it right there. Everybody, Stu and I will be back with our next guest right after this. We're live from Dell World 2014 in Austin. We'll be right back.