It's the day after Christmas most of the country still freezing, but don't you worry? We've got all the hot takes you could possibly want run it back starts now Good Monday morning day after Christmas. I just want to say hello gentlemen. Did everyone have a fabulous Christmas thumbs up? Yes, I Could tell okay everyone. Yeah. Oh, that's like that's teamwork right there as always we're joined by a stadium insiders shop Charania Chandler Parsons joining us as well and edgy on the end with a haircut no less Oh, fresh holiday start getting ahead on the New Year's resolutions knew you I love it. Um guys Christmas Day Was a lot and so we have a lot to get started with and we are gonna start with I guess a rivalry Kind of how about this Warriors blowing out the Grizzlies? Of course no Steph It's a 123 109 win Jordan pool had 32 clay 24 jaw With 36 in a losing effort late in the fourth clay hits a three and then does that the taunting of Brooks while he was on the ground There's so many technicals in this thing Chandler heading into this game. Josh said that he was quote Good on the Western conference as far as there being no competition for them to go through So I ask you this was this a humbling moment for this Grizzly squad Uh, yeah, for sure. I will say this game. There's so much to unpack here You could just tell the way that clay Thompson did that and celebrate like that these guys definitely Under their skin and at least bother them for him to react that way, but but yeah I mean this this this is how I'm going at the end of the day. It is just it's one game It's one loss, but yeah as the best player of it to have an up-and-coming team Josh shouldn't be talking like this You haven't necessarily done anything besides get to the second round and lose And then you you go and say you don't care about these teams when the West is stacked You look at Denver, New Orleans, you know Phoenix Clippers These are all teams that are gonna battle with Memphis in the West So I think that was a little premature on him comes like that and you know Dillon Brooks talking about a dynasty And when again, they haven't won anything so It's a little silly and then meanwhile you got stars like Yokech and Yanis who just keep their head down and are humble and dominating So it's a little exposing last night, but at the end of the day, this is who they are They are young. They are fun. They are exciting. They come out dancing. They they talk a lot of trash This is this is half the battle with them and they're a fun exciting team But yeah, this is a game that you can't lose this game on national TV with all those guys out Big big Sheen is a job try to 360 alley you down 15 like 20 seconds to go. I don't I don't think they're humbled if that's the question Their ignorance is bliss with this team But yeah, this is embarrassing loss No step Jordan pool gets his second set to start the fourth quarter and you're down 20 in the fourth anyway You have clay Thompson dancing over your grave. Essentially you have Dreymon You let you know the entire time that you shouldn't be talking to them at all I love this version of the warriors There's absolute arrogance that they have and and they've earned it in a lot of ways And I know people feel like they're front runners and maybe they are but I love this They're doing you know, they're a different team at home, of course, but uh, yeah for the for the grizzlies This is an awful loss and they've had a couple bad ones. This is in the last week or so So, yeah, are they humbled? No, absolutely not. They're gonna be this the entire time This it is what it is. But yeah, it's a bad loss and I think Kind of sets them down a tier in my mind of who the true contenders are in the western conference I'm bold I really want to see this in a in a playoff series Like I want to see these two teams matched up But what what I noticed last night and really the last few games is I think Steve Kerr finally has his rotation I think he has the guys that he wants to depend on seeing James Wiseman re-emerge in the rotation Jamaica Green is out and then last night two guys that Steve Kerr has really been vouching for behind the scenes Ty Jerome Anthony Lam both double digits Ty Jerome had a big moment in the second half of the game Where he really led that Warriors team in a crucial stretch So I think it was a big win for Steve Kerr You know a guy that I think a lot of people around the league and I think even Warriors fans have tried to malign a different points But big time game for a lot of the Warriors supporting cast members last night Big Christmas day. I I love the fact that they're the defending champs, but things still bother them clay I think is at the forefront maybe Jremond of things that get under their skin, but this is clay's comments after the game Play they've said that you guys are old That the road to the championship goes through Boston not necessarily golden state I think you showed Dylan Brooks what you think about all that, but what message did you want to send tonight? Man, they was talking about dynasty and all that you can't talk dynasty. We haven't won before I don't think people realize how hard that is the commitment and sacrifice to take I mean you got to sacrifice your body And I thought that was premature talk, you know to talk to even mention that word But they bring the best out of us and I think we do the same Which is really all you could want. So is this I guess this is a current day rivalry, right Chandler. I know we want these things in the league They that's what we crave as fans. Would you call this one a rivalry? Yeah, for sure And you can tell like I said, they're getting under the Warriors skin and this is what Memphis does You look across the league. There's there's the new Orleans Phoenix rivalry. There's now this one This is an exciting one because clay Thompson's right like they have no room to talk But on the flip side, Memphis is also right. They are old. They can be beatable this year Their time may be passing but you give me the Warriors fully healthy with Steph Curry and Andrew Wiggins in a playoff series I'm not betting against them against the Memphis Grizzlies and I love the Grizzlies. They're young They're exciting Desmond Bain was you know, had an inefficient game Dylan Brooks has got to find a way to be more efficient but They don't have the experiment experience, but they they do have the arrogance So in a way that helps them, but it also it hurts them and it's definitely a little immature on their part but This is what we want as fans as media as players These are the games that you can you know get up for in February and March because it's such a fun exciting physical game I Kind of love that the Warriors got 30 piece twice in New York and five words from John Moran was enough to turn them back Into the champs for a night I don't like I don't get it. I don't know why clay Thompson has this running list of just grievances and disrespectful Comments that he feels and in slights But it's it's hilarious that it wakes him up every time and he makes sure to let us know when he gets a mic in front of them Look, I'm all for it. I'm all for the pettiness. I'm all for the rivalry the beef whatever you want to call it They clearly don't like that team. They especially Dylan Brooks Like I'd imagine they have some loving their heart for John Moran, but that entire words organization clearly hates Dylan Brooks And yeah, I hear them talking After the game said hey, is this a good look for the league? Yes. Yes. The fans love this I don't I know it's a bunch of texts and I know there's you know, it's supposed to be professional This is great. We love these that these guys hate each other.  Hopefully they'll play in another series um to best rivalry in the league I don't know. I might go a couple others, but this one's fun for sure Okay, that one's fun. That's fair. I I worry sometimes that the window of arrogance and the window of um ability to pull it off will not match And they'll sort of miss that and I don't know if it will and I guess we won't for a while But Steph Curry was sitting on the bench She saw him doing a lot of coaching on the sidelines with Jordan pool rock in a suit that reminds me of every european child Growing up. So shams. Do we have anything on when he may return? Yeah, the good thing that I saw Steph Curry do on the bench Better than his outfit his Grinch outfit or whatever you want to call it He was putting both of his hands above his head And I think that is a good sign for Steph Curry It was just a week ago in brooklyn and in new york where he couldn't even he was even moving his hand It was really just in a socket in place Next to really his his his upper body But right now the warriors will reevaluate Steph Curry in about two weeks So he is still targeting and tracking to return sometime in the middle to late January with that labor of injury and I think the next few weeks of rehab Will be a lot of strengthening of that shoulder making sure that he's able to get um, you know Some power some strength back in that area so that he doesn't re aggravate it There's a warriors team that's two and six without him this year big win last night They definitely want him back ASAP But they know that they need him when he's going to be 100 healthy and not in a position where he's going to re-injure himself Chandler, do you think that they bought themselves any time with a win like this? Or is just one of those big-time wins that they've managed a couple times now this season I mean, no, this is just one win But look this is a huge sign moving forward and they're horrible on the road They're the worst team in the NBA on the road But they are on a the beginning of an eight-game home stand So I think as long as they can get you know five six of these eight games and kind of make a little ground up And you know kind of this jumbled up conference and to stay afloat until their two best players Uh come back, but this this was a huge step forward this games like this Give a team confidence whether it's the young guys, whether it's lamb whether it's tiger roam These guys haven't really played in many NBA games let alone games on national tv on prime time against your you know your rival This was a huge win and believe it you better believe it when they Play the grizzlies next or they line up against the grizzlies in the playoffs. They're gonna say listen guys We beat these dudes without our two best players like let's handle our business. Let's get to work Let's go but They need to be cautious with stuff But at the same time Honestly, they're so good when they're healthy They just got to kind of stay in the hunt in my opinion and then they can beat anybody in a series We did get a nice shoe drop yesterday on christmas day jaw had his signature shoe come out eddie feeling it. What do you think? I didn't like this colorway, but I did like the purple pair. He wore in the game um Yeah, I mean like nike likes to keep it simple with the first model in a signature line and I think jaw is the right athlete to choose. He's he's so he's marketable.  So yeah, I think he's the right guy. I think it's just a good start I'd like to see some more colors Be interested to see what they cost and when these come out, but yeah Nice shoe good good start That's crazy. You got to wait till april find out what they cost and then who knows what they cost after that so Good luck everybody. Uh a lot of games yesterday another one. I guess we can call rivalry I don't know. I don't know the definition anymore buck celtics jason tatum had 41 in this a 139 118 win in the second quarter. Yeah, it's just he I'm posterizing yannis is not something that happens on a daily basis. He's now your favorite to win mvp according to fan dual sports book But let's just say chandler. You are in charge. Are you thinking tatum as your mvp in this moment? Say that again. Sorry. You think tatum as the mvp right now. Is he yours? It's him or yokich after watching yokich last the last night if yokich hadn't won the the last two I think we'd be talking how he's the mvp But you can't ignore what tatum's doing It's he's taken such a leap. He is an absolute superstar Um, they're the best duo in the mba. They've kind of been the most consistent best team in the mba, but I I can't ignore what yokich is doing over there. I don't care that it's his third time I don't care that you know, whatever you say have to take it, you know You don't want to give it to the same guy and this guy's a young budding star It's crazy what yokich is doing to my eyes, but yes, jason tatum as his game is on a whole new level It's it's going to come down to one of those two. I think Yeah, I I agree that it's those two right now. There's a lot of season left. We just we just hit christmas Um, I think they're the standouts in each conference I'm not mad at tatum being the favorite, you know He he's he has what has been the best team in the league pretty much the most of the season That's a big win for them against another contender a team. They've already beat in the playoffs They they just came off a final strip, obviously and he's he looks amazing He looks like he's elevated his game to another level Which is kind of insane to say because he was already an all-star He was already an all-nba player and he's added more elements today. He's got a little bit shiftier He's he's using the mid-range a little more and he's he's got quite the array of posters so far this season Jared Allen earlier this year got Yanis yesterday I like that these guys are focused on these big games. They've had a bit of a rough month But uh, they they showed up yesterday and took care of business Yeah, it felt a chris the christmas day lineup felt like people were taking it seriously Um, yannis and jaylen brown had a moment in the game. I love to see this these little I just call them moments They're scuffles. Whatever you want to call it. It led to a tech on yannis Marcus smart the nazis got into it Celtics coach joe mazula said that they are quote fortunate to have a whole bunch of defenders that they can throw at yannis So the question is seven game series Do you think the Celtics will have enough to contain them if it comes down to that channel? I mean, they're they're the one team the very few teams. I can actually match up well with this dude. They're smart They're tough. They have switching guys They really packed the pain on him and they're going to make these other guys kind of you know Make shots and and that's what they do and they have a guy with jason tatum and jaylen brown They can go toe-to-toe with the honest and scoring and then they have defensive guys Like grant williams marcus smart. Horford back is a huge lift for them Um, but yeah, these these are our two elite teams. There's a couple other There's one other that I really like in the east that we'll talk about later, but you know, these two teams are are Are really really good and the Celtics definitely have the personnel and they have the depth and they have the roster to kind of contain yannis as most I guess anybody could but It's hard to stop this guy As most yeah, yeah eddie who's stopping him I love that so much because there's not a lot of people that can um I'm now kind of curious who your other east team is maybe it's one of these guys How about philly and new york? Nick's tried they tried but despite that they lost 119 113 uh sixers winning their eight straight harden 29 and 15 mb at 35 Shoms as far as what's going on internally and what they credit all of this turning around to what is it? So you hate injuries in the game, right? So when james harden has that tendon injury tires maxi a small fracture You hate to see it But I think when you talk to people around the league when you when you talk to scouts that have seen the sixers The one silver lining and all that is that it allowed joel mb to really re-establish himself Because as this team was trying to figure out with all of these guys on the court together all this talent together They're trying to figure out what style do we play do we play more of that up tempo? Fast-paced style from from the houston days with james harden Do we play just that post-up style that joel mb? Has dominated through and I think we've seen them refine their the way that they play their style And the team really had no choice but to go back to the way that allowed joel mb to dominate They needed him and what you're seeing now with james harden back in the lineup is he's the ultimate playmaker 10 to 15 assists a night. That's really the sweet spot. He's even had one with 20 assists So that's really a sweet spot for the sixers for james harden. It's to be the ultimate distributor They have a lot of shooting now and some talent around them george ne'ang pj. Tucker The anthony melton tires maxi is going to be back relatively soon So this is a team that's found its identity and i'm curious chandler like we've talked all year I think probably before anyone did about the clashing of styles But now that they really I feel like have honed in on it How do you like what do you make of it and also the fact that they've done it with with guys dealing with injuries as well Yeah, this is that third team. I like cleveland, but I really really like philly and and this is a team That's so dangerous because when when joel mb is playing like this, they're a whole another They're a whole another team. This guy dominates the game.  He's making shots.  Tucker Tobias Harris they just have such a balanced deep team and They're missing freaking 23 points a game and 42 percent from three with tyrese maxi So they're only going to get better If this is giving these other guys time to kind of get in their groove shake melton has been great with these guys out And like shams just said james harden has seemed to take this onus of being the facilitator It doesn't have to do too much and they're still going to be nice where he goes and gets you 30 and 40 points, but They're going to feed the big guy and they have tyrese maxi who's that lightning fast guard They're going to come back, you know, you know, hopefully any day now and this is a tough team This is a team that outside, you know, the cell ticks and bucks are obviously the favorites And I've been I love the cast but the way the sixers have been playing now This just shows the nicks how far away they are nicks have been rolling, right? They got a glimpse of an elite team that they're going to have to go through in the playoffs and they have zero chance The little shade there at the end. Okay, fine. So that yeah, they beat the clippers as well And we're talking about harden Sort of owning up to what kind of role he should have here eddie So do you think they're on the same level as boss cinema walkie because it sounds like Chandler does I don't think they're on the same level as brooklyn. The other team was one eight game straight in the league right now.  James is playing really well Joellen beats one of the best players in the league. They're taking care of business I think their flaw still exists. I think their flaws are Even more so when tyrese maxi comes back and has to play defense as well And and that's going to take them out of their kind of defensive lineup that they've been using with thai bull and pj tucker who continues to Only score once a week But yeah, look, they're they're tough matchup for everybody But I think they have their flaws that you can exploit and uh, yeah, I think the team ahead of them in the standings is still better I'm kind of, you know, I I thought that was going to be Chandler's third team So I was just, you know, just beat the bucks ran the bucks off the floor. By the way, so I would listen. I would love to see affiliate brooklyn series. I just the brooklyn has no answer for duel and beat I mean, we'll see. We'll see I just want y'all to go back and forth like 30 minutes Okay, okay fair enough. Um There was some Some fun in dalas yesterday dirt and viscy getting the statue. However, we need to talk about this lakers win loss Whatever they're awful. Here's the deal 124 115 lebron the only lakers starter and double figures had 38 They were up by 12 in the third quarter at some point chandler. So If you're lebron james What else is there to do? Be frustrated. I mean this was Lebron was hot from the start and they were doubling luka and other mavs were missing, you know early shots and At the end of the day when the mavs have Help from luka like they did from christian wood and tim hardaway. This is a very tough team to beat And this is just super frustrating for for lebron because he's dominating, you know, no other starter and double digits is I don't know what else he can do They don't like we've talked about all year. It's it's we can't keep beating on the personnel that they have But they're just they're not a good team. They don't have Much they don't have shooting This is a game. It's i'm like feel bad for lebron in a way So it's tough and lakers try to go small on the fourth and it just it just didn't work But this is a game where you know, you feel for lebron and you they're just missing ad and there's so many issues with this team but You know, like I said, dallas huge one for them and when they get games like they did from wood and hardaway They're tough to beat But you feel that What more can lebron do he can he can break cream's record. There's nothing else to do in this season This season is cooked. There's no way around that Patrick Beverly played 32 minutes yesterday for some reason. They lost a quarter 51 to 21 What are we watching? I'm shocked that they like I know they have to have a christmas game because they're the lakers And because it's lebron, but why do they have a christmas game? Where are we watching out there that makes us go? Let's watch them play luka and get torched. This is fun Shout out to that statue though. That's like a physics marvel. I don't know how that thing stays Right. I'm amazed by that. Uh, I'd love to see like, you know, seven minute youtube doc on how they made that make sense But yeah, there's nothing left for lebron to do the team is awful. It is what it is. You know past kareem I hope, you know, we have A good enough advance notice like it's like a three point thing so we can buy tickets and be there But uh, yeah, just focus on yourself, bron. Commercials are great. You're doing well Uh, we'll look at that statue in a little bit here shams You know you know what i'm gonna ask you about because obviously we're thinking yeah Why was this on christmas with anthony davis? It would have been a much more fun game to watch So what's up with him? What's the latest on his timeline? Yeah, this this is a tough lakers team to watch especially without anthony davis They've relied so much on him and so right now from what i'm told it's a stress reaction injury to his right foot And it's really just gonna be a pain tolerance thing It's subsided in the last week from from what i'm told but the hope is that through rest rehab And really this time off that he's going to be able to have that progress necessary to return It's going to be at least a month like i reported that's going to put him at about mid january And then there's going to be a ramp up period to see if he can play through the pain That's going to and even when he comes back that's going to consist of you know Minutes restrictions can't play back to backs like they're they're going to be some Contingencies with a potential return of anthony davis But it is it's just unfortunate. I think everyone wants to get on him for getting hurt on that play against Denver where it looked like really nothing happened, but clearly this is something that was pre-existing That's usually how stress reactions are. It's really the prelude to a stress fracture So so hopefully for anthony davis, he's able to manage it and it doesn't turn into a stress fracture But right now all he can do is rest and that for the lakers is a sign that he's not going to be on the floor And they're going to be without basically the guy that led this team to to his resurgence this year There were two and ten then they finally pick up You know eight out of eight out of ten wins And and they're not able to sustain it because he goes down and so no ad for really a while now And on the flip side anthony davis is seeing this team watching this team and and saying why why would I rush back like like Eddie just said this season Season is pretty much awash, man And anthony davis showed us, you know like he usually does like when he's out there He can be elite and he's a top five player when he's going but you know plan through these type of injuries It weighs on you and then you're in and out of the lineup And this is just something that we've grown to have to learn to do is as anthony davis is going to miss time This is just a weird dynamic now where if i'm him Like why risk my future why risk me having to have surgery Why risk anything for this, you know team that is not really going anywhere so It just seems like it's keeps getting worse and worse for the lakers and this is just obviously a huge blow Do you want to tell us again that you feel bad for lebron before I move on to the mavericks or Just want to make sure um speaking of the mavericks of my my sorrow here because I should have started with them But somehow we always get duped into talking about the lakers first But they did get the win it was just their second christmas day win You had luka you had christian wood they're now three and oh with wood in the starting lineup channeler Would you call this perhaps a season changing type win? Did this show dalis what they're capable of at all? I mean it was a good win But it was the lakers who like we've just talked about it's not really a tough beat these days But yeah, this this is a team where you know what you're gonna get from luka You know what he's capable of but when you get christian wood playing the way he's playing He completely took advantage of no size and no anthony davis out there Tim hardaway is making shots. This is you know, den witty's got to continue to get better reggie bullock I don't know what happened to him, but he's got to start making shots Um, you know, this is a team where it's going to take everybody and luka is obviously the focal point And has used to drain us through the roof But this kind of shows glimpses of how good they can be when they have that balanced attack when other guys are Knocking down shots and kind of relieving that pressure from luka But this is a big win. It was you know, you know national tv and then lakers everyone You know, everyone loved it, but we got to see more where it's not just the luka show That's what uh, that's what I think people are worried about this I I cannot believe if you were like me last night, you're like, oh my god, there's another game Yes, there was another game last night the night cap sons Nuggets yokic had 41 15 and 15 leaves his team to a 128 125 win this flow was exciting Um, you you've said you think he's the potential mbp right now But the question is this he's now won that award twice, but can he lead his team to the finals chaneler I mean, look, this was a this was a big win obviously when when book went out Honestly, I saw I saw a lot of heart from phoenix last night and this was one of the better games I've seen a really really long time From start to finish but this you know when book went out early. I thought this game was over It was going to be a blowout and they battled and they have something there with landish and met He's he's shooting the ball crazy damian lee, you know They get sparks from from those guys and ateon and mckel bridges are always going to be there and playing consistent but The the nuggets are tough and and now that they're getting fully healthy. They have porter back jamal murray's getting his legs He's trying to posterize people last night. He's coming off screens. He's playing aggressive Jokic is you know, I think he's the nbp right now He's such a special player with what he does. It just comes down to the defensive side of the ball With them and are they going to be able to kind of hold teams down? But the story of the game to me is and and really the seasons erin gordon with with porter out this guy He's not just a dunker. He's not he's he's taking better shots. He used to kind of force bad shots He's getting to his spots. He's so strong. He's the perfect small stretch for for yokic Um, and he's having a great year and this team again They kind of took them a while, but they're finding their rhythm now and yokic is is having a special season once again Yeah, I like the erin gordon point and not to minimize yokic and historic numbers he put up and and and his mvp candidacy, but Erin gordon has been a revelation for them. There was some criticizing the trade they made They gave up quite a haul to get him and there was a little bit of a ragged fit at first But he was great last night. He was the he was the x-factor He in a game that should not have went over time in a game They should have kind of going away with those numbers. He was the one who came through in the clutch for them Uh, we yokic today. Can they win a title? I still have the same issues You know, I'm sounding like a broken record, but I watched chris fall exploit drop coverage all night last night I watched the sun do it over and over and over to the point where landry shaman had 30 points Because well, I think that's 16 assists because yeah, if you're going to give him the space to just walk his way to the Frito line on pick and roll He's going to be able to pick apart a defense and he's not even that dynamic pick and roll Score at this point in his career. So imagine those guys imagine jamarant doing that with that amount of space Imagine stephen curry imagine whomever else whoever else you want to slot into that role It's going to continue to be an issue Yoke, it's just so great that on offense that he might be able to overcome Not being a defensive anchor on a championship defense and actually win for a playoff series But i'm just gonna have to see him do it before I believe he can until then they're flawed in a lot of ways This is a game that shouldn't have been this close at home on christmas against team who lost their best player two minutes into the game But why are you in overtime fighting it out to the death and need a replay on a massive dunk? Shout out erin gordon to actually win the game So, you know, I hate to be the woe is me guy or it's a kind of rain on the parade out there in dember But yeah, I still think the flaws are still there and it's going to be tough for them to overcome in the spring You're just our jibby downer eddie and we love you for that Yeah, no that dunk that we could watch that over and over again and we will this wasn't overtime And it was originally called a charge that was overturned But dunk of the year where we put in this one so far guys I mean this gotta be up there christ christmas day game on the line I'm just glad they got the call right. I thought when they went to the review They were just checking if he was outside the restricted area But this is definitely a block. He definitely shifts his body and and You can't take away a dunk like this this this was they need to change the rule though They got to make it so whenever there's a poster like this. You can't even call it a charge I remember last year anthony edwards got called for a charge and that one actually stood like That was by far the dunk of like the last five years the anthony edwards dunk This is right there on that same type of level. I think the way you posterize lander shaman But like you can't call the charge. They've got to fix that. I know it's not in the referee rule book But they got to fix that I agree.  This is this wasn't even the best dunk of the day I like take them over. Yeah, it's way better. I like take them over here at island way better Is that charmer ant dunk early? Yo, he dunked on a guy shorter than him standing there and leaning back like it great cross time I love it, but come on.  I was jumping at him trying to get in the way though. Like, you know, it's a little better But I great dunk great time to have the dunk. I'm gonna go JT over at goddess New haircut new Eddie. I love this person We're gonna take a quick break when we come back the latest on miles turner and christmas day means Fashion catwalk. Thank you. We'll be back That's a flop That's a flop He's an actor. I know he was in west side story He was officer captain I really think that that should be every game no matter what guys. Yes. We want robin locas mic That's that's what mic's ups for right like sometimes it's just lame I don't know if this is true, but I heard they share a house in somewhere in california. That's full disney themed I believe all of that Because that's shocking No, it's awesome. And I it has to be true and I chomps get on that We're gonna need a full update tomorrow with you live from the house. Got it. Great. I'm on it. I'm on it. Okay More serious news. Um Miles turner doing some instagram lately watching him put some videos out which I hope is a positive shams What's the update on him? Yeah, he's been in the willy or won't be traded for the last I don't know eight years. He's this is eighth year with the pacers But uh, I'm told uh him and the pacers have actually opened up Contract extension negotiations. He's eligible for a renegotiation extension up until march 1 The the pacers have 25 million dollars in cash right now That gives them the ability to give him about 19.1 million dollars on top of his 18 million dollar salary just for this season So this year he could make up to about 37 million in salary And then obviously drop down over the over the course of a contract extension So they're going to try to figure out if they can come up With an agreement that that allows a deal to get done There is a level of motivation on both sides to get something done I think the pacers will keep an open mind if a potential trade comes comes, you know out of the woodworks in the next Really month or so, but there is some level of interest. The pacers are playing Competitive basketball in the eastern conference. You're seeing tyrese halberton lead this group and I think miles turner I think he's enjoying playing with halberton with indiana right now this season. So Keep an eye on a potential miles turner extension That is good news Yeah, if you're indiana, you're in a good position I think all this talks about him and buddy hill moving they kind of you know, they want he wanted out But I think now they're on to something and I don't know who indiana can get much better than what miles turner provides They have this young stud and halberton. They have the pieces. They have a great coaching carlough At this point. Yeah, I would almost I wouldn't shut down trade conversations But I could definitely see them making him part of their future.  He's only 26 years old. It's crazy Yeah, but it feels like we've been talking you're right about where's he going to go next this entire time shams Thank you so much. We'll see you bright and early tomorrow morning and uh the fashion yesterday It was another gift under the tree for all of us and people did not disappoint and we got to start with luke Okay Here's the deal you don't touch your boots. You don't tuck your jeans in your boots unless you're working. They ain't working So No, he's not gonna work in the field He's not gonna get dirty I feel like at some point if you're on the maps you have to have a night like this And he pulled up in the old school classic the maps blue Yeah, I He'll never wear this again, but I think for the situation. I think it was okay I mean it's the bullow tie Bullow tie that's like but it was very like stiff. It looked like it was just a hilarious The whole thing was hilarious visual luke's living his best life. Like I'm jealous I love I love when the european folks give like their American spin on things like, you know, they give our accent and they start talking about hamburgers and stuff Like that's a look at it with this outfit He really did and it was like a double one because of texas. So it's like I felt it twice I was like, all right, I see you. I see what you think uh, james Harden go It's so bad. It's so bad Hey, what is it? It's it's outrageous. It's furry. It's mask. It's I know it's cold But my god, this is yeah, is it fur? Is it is it looks like something a costume's made out of? What is that eddie? Is that that has to be some Hella expensive designer. I just don't know what it is. Yeah, it's it's like a $3,000 jacket. It's I like marni. I don't like the mohair trend. What is marni? I think a lot of there I like a lot of their clothes. I like them. I don't know if this is a balacaba I don't know what the mask is but I think that this is a thing now everybody It looks homemade Yeah, everybody owes that one rapper a lot of of credit it and just do for doing this like eight years ago He who should not be spoken of but Yeah, you can't see in this picture the slippers in the bag. Yeah, that's right. He really went all the way out The back is like a it's a it's a Louis Vuitton with the the roses and then the shoes match the jacket It was that it looked look it looked so comfortable and on a day when none of us probably changed out of sweats. I hope Well done Well done, um Okay, that's jaymond green head to toe. Is that gucci head to toe? That's gucci looks like a big turd That's not that's not all that funny the travis scott air forces.  Oh, you don't like to you don't like to clash the designer logos Yeah, I feel like look he's a man of means he could have got a gucci a gucci toiletry bag as well if he was gonna do this, but I like the socks comfortable I don't know. I don't like I don't love it. I don't look this is not my favorite. Although. I don't know which one is All right. Here we go. I'm about to do something. I don't like to do let's say something nice about lebron It's great. All right. It's classy. You know what? I don't feel hey, michelle. I don't feel bad for him anymore At least he got to rock this home. Yep. Looks great. You can never go wrong with the coat. This is clean This is classy. I like the shoes. I like the coat. This is it. Yeah, this is it dad vibes I love when when lebron isn't doing like the street where he's doing the i'm a 40 year old dad fit I you can never go wrong with a good long coat. So you can't this is fit He did this. Good job. This is what's great about winter. That's when you get to wear that and then there's Hold on. I don't look at this closer. That's that's carmen san diego. That's uh What in the world? Okay, we just said you can't go wrong with a long coat, but then it turns out you can Nice coat. Nice coat But it's just It's costuming pants. That's what I was when it's like a rock star pan Great game. It's getting at it Great game. Although eddie wasn't that impressed by your donk. So I don't know what to tell you about that Oh, I could do this for our Yeah, I love it. I it's just yeah, it's hard to believe you found a coat that was too big. Um, coming up next Which wide receiver play in the nba plus the best donks Hopefully for eddie when we come back So we mentioned it dirt getting a statue yesterday before the game and it is a physics Marvel I mean guys That's awesome That's all I have. It's awesome. This is so cool. And by the way, they they changed it. They had this weird like anal bead type of thing coming from the ball last time And I was crushing mark for it and I hadn't talked about it since but I saw that yesterday And I was just dying waiting to see it and it's not there. So a few guys can get a glimpse of the first take of the statue Tell me i'm wrong Gonna be hard to google that one to get the first glimpse but no it won't. Yeah, I I love the statue Yeah, this is Again mark made a joke mark made a joke yesterday How dirk had his jersey retirement when he retired when they named a vitzki way. So yesterday he was just like, all right Here's the statue. It didn't say anything nice, which is hilarious, but Dirk's the goat man. He's the best. He's the best european player of all time. He deserves it Uh, can we get another one of him with the uh takeout plate? Can we get one of those like? That would be great That'd be amazing Maybe eddie i'm with you though. I hope there's a dot coming out or at least just a quick seven minute Snip it on how that thing got made and and erected and Actually So good. Um, all right, we do have some dunks here this now. I feel like this is a personal thing for eddie So we'll just rename the segment for eddie's delight. Uh, that man has a family lot of men Have families and yesterday some of them got Here you go. You loved this one, right? Yeah, that look that was uh last week pacers I think they beat the Celtics that day. But yeah, when you dunk on a guy and throw the ball at him Like you're kind of Couple posters this year for jt This is the type of stuff doing to MVP on my vote. Uh, what you think chanler? You like that one? Yeah, he's getting body. This was his teammate two a year before right? Yeah He is getting bodies. Hopefully we have the one from yesterday. But this was this was he goes coast to coast This is this is nasty. He's he's so strong. She was the one from yesterday weirdo His have you ever got dunked into the tunnel? Have you ever that ever happened? Yeah, I'm sure I have Do you think he keeps track mentally like he has a list of everyone he's dunked on this year? My right? All right, there's the swat that just I don't know seven rows back Yeah, you know, I like the You know the the the phrase is like sent it in the third row. This is really the third row. This is This is a And this is like what you do to like your this is like what you do to your son in the driveway like he barely He barely jumped on this block Yo I'm leaving the arena basketball, by the way. If I get that bomb. I'm leaving. It's curious. You have to chase me Yeah, just run I think you have good decent odds unless somebody else steps in trying to be a hero, but I think you you could make it Yeah, well, like why be a hero?  Uh, yeah, that's Good to have lamello back Yeah, this this is great. This kid's got so much game I think the kids say he got dropped off he gets That's not what they say. Okay, I'm never gonna keep up. Yeah This is always the worst too when you're trying to kind of down this the pick and roll there and force them the other way And it's just it always ends poorly Dang and it's a long three like there's just a lot in this one. Okay. All right, lamello ball. I see you That was good. That was good. Kevin porter sending josh. Oh Whoops. These are hard to tell these is it a put uh, the pointing at him is the most disrespectful point hurts Way room young fella way room. I mean Like it's not about the dribble at that point It's about the fact that I can just send you that far in court whenever I want. That's yeah, right man up I'll be honest with you. I feel like if you point at me like that. I'm going to do something on the next one It's gonna be violent I don't like the point. Yeah. No, I need to give me the ball when we go back. I don't Yeah, I don't even need the ball I see I see the the point is just so disrespectful. I The point is worse than anything It's worse than anything we show in the in the interoffice game I won't be I won't be on the floor long, but I mean at least I'll give it my all Exactly Old man, Jeff green. He still has these moments I You might be more athletic now than he ever has been How's that impossible? I like that his approach is just like I'm just gonna just throw it in really hard. I know no You know no glitter to this just I'm gonna jump up high. I'm throw it in. I'm gonna yell at you get out the way It gets like three of these a month. It's it's it's insane.  Just don't get on brandos like this. I can't wait I can't wait. I can't wait because that's 100 fact that is going to happen And I cannot wait for all the video that comes out Oh my yeah, I love it. Never never slow down. Jeff green. Just keep it moving. Never Well done. All right Christmas came and went maybe there's been a change in the vibe But when we come back it is your chance to win some money hint Don't do what Chandler says America's number one sportsbook just got even better because you can now bet on horse racing directly in the sports book app Not only can you place bets on live horse racing, but you can watch horse races live right from the app We make it easy to bet on horse racing with races going off every five minutes free picks And easy tutorials to help you learn about horse racing Bet on horse racing today directly in the fan duel sportsbook app or learn more at fan duel dot com slash horse racing. All right, so Former receiver and a file receiver devon funches says he wants to play in the nba He's got a video out there that's already gotten like three million views He knows he'd probably have to go overseas all that stuff. Yeah, he oughta, but It got us thinking a does he have a shot Chandler? I'll ask you that first What do you think? I don't know anything about him. I wouldn't assume so. It's not it's not that easy just kind of All right like that Yeah, I don't I don't I mean there's been guys like in tonio gates. Tony Gonzalez, julius peppers jimmy grand Those guys played like college, but it's it's no there's too many other good players that haven't made it But I really don't know maybe this kid has game. Well, let me ask you that If you had to could you wait, what's that? Oh You see all those guys went the other direction they went to football not the basketball Let's be real here devon. I had hoop dreams into my late 20s as well, but dreams Is there a professional athlete that you can look at Right now that exists in the world that has a shot at making an nba roster I mean, I know you mentioned some of those guys, but I mean, I don't know personally any of these I mean you could look at like body types and physicality and stuff of who could possibly do it We always do that with the nba to the nfl But I don't like when I went to florida cam newton these guys they always would go to the rec center and think they can hoop But to make the nba they did it like no There's a reason they chose the nfl like eddy's uh, no chance It's Chandler, no. All right fine. Uh, let's do some part. Let's win some money Or we'll try all the play at barlay from wednesday Look at that. That's what we left on before the holiday break. Chandler big old red l Looks about right I like that better than the checks. I like that a lot. Let chandler know what you're doing. Don't use an l's is It's more harmful. Um, I'm on a two. I'm on a two pick win streak So just i'm not telling america what to do, but you might want to listen to me when we do these Um, that's okay because we throw that away and we start one for tonight Three leg parlay eddy. Why don't you kick us off? I'm going with uh chandler's favorite non contender out the group of the top three teams in the east I'm gonna go with the nets on the road. You're giving the nets points eight game win streak Think it's a team they match it really well with and uh, I'm biased. So that's He is biased chandler. He's very biased I am taking the clippers minus five and a half at detroit Again, detroit's not trying to win the best players out Come on. Oh dear. I I don't feel good about chandler's for some reason. That's okay I'm gonna I'm gonna piggyback all of eddies and I'm taking kevin durant Uh the over of 27 and a half points that feels like a no-brainer to me Um But then what do I know but so far everything Uh 20 bucks wins you 100 by the way Our dollar amounts are going lower and lower. We have to get these guys We have to get them Okay, so that's what you got to do Good luck to you if you decide to put your money on that one you should We'll be back tomorrow bright and early For eddy for chandler for shams. My name is michelle. This has been run it back Enjoy all of the games tonight and we will do it again tomorrow. See you


Now we'd like to ask Ethan to come back up and give us an overview of what's happening in the US. Ladies and gentlemen, Ethan Naiderman. Well, thanks Grant. I don't know if there's a hell of a lot to say. I mean what happened in the US back, I think in the late 80s, early 90s, was the federal government passed the Controlled Substances Analogs Act to try to get ahead of the curve, to try to criminalize any new substance. And, you know, I mean, it didn't seem to prove very effective. There's been a proliferation of these substances since. When I think about the consequences in terms of my own work, probably the principal consequence was at the time, and many of you may not know the name Sasha, how many people know the name Sasha Shulkin? Just raise your hand. And for those of you who don't, he is the brilliant genius really, who devised more psychoactive substances, hallucinogens in his backyard laboratory than all other scientists put together in human history. And also the one who's discovered the medicinal and psychoactive value of MDMA. And until the late 80s, he had basically discreetly worked with people at the DEA, he had friends in the DEA regulatory side, not the enforcement side, and they would sometimes ask him to assess the quality of the drugs, weird ones they were finding on the streets. And I was teaching at Princeton at the time, and I had put together a working group of distinguished academics to think through what would be the optimal drug policy. And a few people suggested that I ask Sasha Shulkin and his wife Anne to join, and people say, I don't know, he won't do it. He keeps a low profile. Then the feds passed a controlled substances analogs act and he joined like that because he felt that basically the federal government had criminalized his research, and that his research was not just about finding all sorts of ways for people to get high, it was also about the potential incredible medicinal value of these substances. As Rick Doblin talked about during the lunchtime session. So what's happening right now is that the substances have proliferated. Synthetic cannabis had a lot of attention. K2 spiced with the names that were applied to them. Then you got basalts became the new phenomenon, I think cathodone-based thing and all sorts of stories coming out. Then there's what we now call, or the word was devised by somebody at the harm reduction group, I think Dan Safe, what we call the alphabetamines. In other words, substances like MDMA with all these alphabet letters, but with an amphetamine base, a stimulant base, and obviously every time you change one little molecule that may put it then from a black area of the law into the gray area of the law. So there's a proliferation of these substances. And unfortunately, lack of quality control on what's being produced. And unfortunately, you know, some young people who will, you know, will parties where people will have a bowl of pills and they'll just take some for the hell of it, not exercising even the most minimal cautions. So the bad news is, is that right now there are two bills being introduced that have been introduced in the U.S. Senate. You don't need the details with SB 1322, SB 1323. And introduced by some of the pro-drug war Democrats, our New York State Senator Schumer, my state, California Senator Diane Feinstein. These are kind of the Democrats who go overboard and they don't want to be in terms of almost outflanking the Republicans on being pro-drug war, for ones who have pushed the mandatory minimum sentences that have filled our prisons. And they're responsive to political pressures at times, but the tendency is that need your criminalization of whatever comes along. And so the DEA, I understand, is feeling somewhat confident that they will just be able to slap the next layer of criminalization on these things. To, for example, shift the burden of proof that these things are not being designed for human consumption or whatever onto manufacturers, and on setting up an oversight body that's overwhelmingly DEA-driven. I don't necessarily have a major issue with the guys in the DEA who work to enforce the laws. I mean, we do have federal drug laws. Somebody has to enforce them. So be it then. The real problem with the DEA is the leadership role they play on the regulatory issues, the ones that Rick Doblin alluded to, the ways they provide obstacles to proper access to pain medications, the way they block research, the way they do all these sorts of things. And that's where the DEA has been a highly proactive prohibitionist agency that goes to that issue of whether the proper role of law enforcement is to enforce laws or to become advocates for the expansion of criminalization. I don't know what will happen with these two new laws in Congress. There's a decent chance that they will fly through. There is almost no organization working to oppose this. My organization, the Drug Policy Alliance, is becoming increasingly involved, but have not yet been able to focus on it. For those of you who want to interact with my organization this area, my two colleagues focused on it. One is Stephanie Jones. The other one is Grant Smith. The emails are S. Jones at DrugPolicy.org and G. Smith at DrugPolicy.org. So we're doing a little we can. We have had some success in trying to moderate some of the federal legislation. The question I'm wondering about is whether or not there's any potential because of our federal system to try to do some reforms at the state level. You know, what we've done with marijuana, right, where the states provide the leadership and ultimately we hope the national government will follow. Because food and drug regulation is such an entirely federal issue, I'm not sure that we can get traction there, but I hope that maybe with this breakthrough in the Justice Department allowing Colorado and Washington to proceed. And as I said earlier, in saying that if the focus is really on protecting public health and safety, then we have to look at the potential value of a regulatory approach, proving better than a prohibitionist approach and accomplishing those ends. So we're going to try to see if there's any traction to be gained at the state level. We're going to do our best to educate American legislators. With the New Zealand model, virtually nobody knew about it in the U.S. and so we were able to bring people to the U.S. with the help of Star Trust. We were also able to get the AP, the Associated Press, to produce a favorite report which went around the world globally. So we really see part of our mission in the U.S. as really trying to popularize awareness of your model here and to work to either modify the prohibitionist legislation that's coming through or to block it and to increase interest in this type of work. Thanks.  I feel pretty proud, eh? A lot of people are just like, yeah, they don't realize just how world-leading this policy innovation is and I think probably now, maybe thanks to some positive media that are starting to get, people are starting to recognize that and I certainly hope so.


Welcome to another episode of searching for Janus, baby This is episode four we're getting into it But do not skip through the video yet because I got something to show and tell you guys and give away to you guys First of all, but if you guys are new to the channel, I'm Noah host a kick in the best TV Be sure to hit that subscribe button and hit the notification bell as well We post three bangers every single week and it's some lit content So you need to subscribe also if you guys have been enjoying the content late recently Be sure to hit that like button and leave a comment below, but let me explain what we got going on behind me So I got a fish head primal vibe right here.  We got this excited square bill right here Then we got this monster bass swim bait So what I'm gonna be doing with these three baits right here is I'm gonna be giving it away to one Lucky winner who's watching this video right now people keep asking about giveaways I'm like man. I'm gonna give you guys one inside the episode That's what we're gonna start doing every once in a while We're gonna be throwing some giveaways inside the video so to enter the giveaway This is what you have to do one like the video to comment below What you've been enjoying on my channel or what type of videos you guys would like to see or you want to see more of So leave a comment below on that and also you have to be subscribed and hit the notification bell but also one thing I'd like you guys to do is head over to my Instagram and Go follow me on there and turn on post notifications because that is actually we're gonna where I'm going to Upload the winner of the giveaway but guys today. We're gonna be filming search for Zion Guys, I cannot talk right now. I don't know what's going on, but we're not redoing it We're filming searching for Giants episode four. All right, you guys have been enjoying the series You guys loved fishing for Giants, so we're adding another little episode on today We're gonna be fishing some new ponds that we've never been to before and we're gonna give that a try and see How it goes, but I hope you guys enjoy this episode. Thank you guys for clicking on it. Hey, I got one You're not big There is fish in here Got some old bass in it not a giant, but guess what there's fish in here. It's always always a good thing Before I throw oh my god That was a huge fish. Did you see him boil?  I don't know huge though My thumb is so raw Catching so I'm just killing my thumb That's how it was yesterday. I couldn't even put my thumb on my baitcaster. Just there he is My wife fell big. I mean he's not bad Not bad. Look at him choke it. Look at him choke it sometimes they feel good on that trap and he is so heavy Get these pliers out Thank you for biting buddy realistically That wind pushing up on that bank. There should be some bass sitting there All right, where I just casted yep Yeah, there's a little d song We just called that baby Well fatty literally just called that now wind is pushing up in that bank Those bass are gonna be sitting there for all that bait that's blows by and They're sitting there ready to ambush and that's exactly how they stage up on stuff like that Just textbook stuff easy easy stuff Pretty little bass Oh, man God Slam you right there Nice He ate me as I was pulling it up on the bank. There we go. Pretty bass. It's the best one today so far I'll take them. That's a pretty fish Look at that guy Thank you, buddy.  It only has two It didn't have that third right there and if that was there it would have stuck him He would have stayed on but man, that was my next cast. He's about the same size as that last one Or eat it at the bank every single time What the heck all right A quicker release What is this fish doing That fish came all the same way because of that back trouble I have to switch this out. I'm gonna end up losing a big one over it and I'm actually gonna get mad They're eating at the bank every single time. It's like they're falling in That's all three of those fish. I was like within five cast I'm more of a straight straight retrieve. I've been kind of this bank is a little bit steeper Than your regular ponds and I feel like they're sitting right along this bank honestly Or they're just falling in and hitting that last minute Yep, every time Every time every time every time guys, I'm like slow. I can't explain this really This is kind of crazy honestly I gotta change this trouble. I've literally missed three Or didn't like bank three fish because of that. They're all eating at the bank It's like I'm slowing it down at the bank. They're just eating it There he is Baby, baby, baby. Calm down. Calm down. Calm down, boy Calm down, Jimmy Little Jim Bob Thank you guys. We just came to a new pond Literally like my first cast caught one didn't even have my GoPro on at least he's not a giant But I did tie on a different trap that's really subtle. You barely even feel this thing vibrate And this might really smack them. I'm actually really excited to throw this There we go a little fatty.  Look at this one on this little trap Same cast he ate it right at the bank.   That is not a new sock.  Oh man. That's a good one. What the heck? Okay. That was I love how I was toying with him when it was like a three pounder. That's cool I was just toying with the biggest fish I hooked today Okay They're freaking feeding though. I can tell you that they might like this little subtle trap Golly Yeah Two and a half pounder That was back to bad cash. He's lost a three and then caught a two and a half It's a subtle trap Look at that one Freakin fatty at least try it There we go, baby. That's the biggest fish today a solid two and a quarter Look at him. He's clamped down my finger. Look at him bite me. Look at that. I could probably let go and he's still hold on God, he's on I'm not even kidding. Look, he's on me. All right. So this is Jesus Christ, man Calm down All right, so this is about solid two and a quarter. Um, I'll miss the three of the cast before let's get them back in the water I've never thrown like a trap. That's super subtle. They are munching.   I don't get it Biggins Yes, sir. Yes, sir Dink city On the old trapperoo You got one too golly They are digging the baby traps peeps Heck yeah Got a little double like double up action going on just in case he decides to be a little slippery boy Hold it Good job on the double up.  So Yep Hey, I'll see Fitz throw on the bank right here. Come on the other side of me Throw right on this bank. I'll see him eating big. Oh god. Got him Yeah, throw in there See if we can get another double up. That's a better one There's They're just chomping this trap He choked that thing That is no Deal. That's that that is just how guys if you're wondering, you know when a fish when you're throwing the right bait That is when you're throwing the right bait right there When you got the old birds chomping too the birds are looking for the bait And then the fish are choking it. Yeah, you're in the right spot with the right bait right now This is all steady retrieve too like earlier this week All of them have been from me stroking it and now it's just when you put a smaller one on Are you know like this? What are they schooling? Oh, yeah, they are let's get back in there Right there Game over. Let's see if we can get another double up. I'm about to get slammed. I feel it Come on right there Throw in there They fight so hard You can just tell they're so active today. This is literally like next cast Just like back to back to back to back But it's just the small traps like it's the small like if I had to my normal trap We probably only have a few bites right now, but since we put that one on it's just every cast Oh gosh That's a decent one.   This is insane.  There he is. That's a better one At least it feels like it. Look at them running. I feel I can't tell if these fish if they're big or not All right, go on. They're so strong I've never seen fish so I mean look at them Oh Yeah, that's not a bad one. Oh that's two pounder. Can we get another double up? Beam another cast out there guys. This is literally this good Like I don't feel like I feel like every cast and I'm probably gonna invite But it has to do with this bait too 100 down sizing that trap to a little smaller one that has a tighter small wobble It's not too loud pretty old bass Getting a little better. I want to see if there's really big ones in here. It's hard to tell All these small ones smunching it up Game over It's like every cast you just like, okay We're about to catch one Just like that.  Will they come back? Will there be another one? There he is Another baby. We're about to fish this drainage pipe. Can we double up beam one towards that thing? Is it gonna happen? No It's not gonna happen Oh god, that's a good one. Oh, no. Oh, no. Oh, no Oh It's not a bad one Heck yeah, girl. That's my bad one.  No. Yeah, I thought your drag was running or something. I used my thumb on my line Take notes peeps the nest traps Think it's the new move. I'm trying to match the hatch in these ponds There you go. You want to release them? Let me see them one more time. Hold them up. Hold them up. Yeah Good job. It's like fish what 30? Here it goes guys fishing this little drainage pipe. This is game over on the drainage pipe. I already know You got one Small one Oh, god No Guys, that was a big one. I just missed a really good one. Oh my god. Look at the boil. How do you just come off? He came right out of that pipe guys He freaking came right out of that pipe It was right when I got in front of it. He just laughed it hard Got him.  He's a monster. Oh my god Yes Pounder. Yes Yes Yes, he broke my hook. Look at that another one. Yes. I broke another one. They got one over there, too Hey triple. I got four pounder. There we go guys Beautiful bass right there the solid three and a half three and three quarters That is a freaking fatty I missed a big fish right before this one and if you guys can tell by that drainage pipe right when I got in front of it I just I mean I caught up. So this is it and I missed a big one right before it and I threw back in there Because he got it That is a quality fish right there. They fight so hard in here.  Want me to get him? Yeah Oh my god, what do you mean not that big?  That is awesome. There's actually toads in there How am I holding a fish this big like that? Look at look at it. I got you boy That's a toad. There you go. That's a that's a toad That's a toadie. It's probably around four pounds right there. That's good. That's one of your biggest fish lately, right? Are you kind of like That's a good one though. Good job Good job Let me see one more time. There you go. Good job. That's a big one That's easy to hold in this crystal Crystal blue water. Look at this guys. This is really blue Yeah, get him back. 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I do believe that we will be safer than many of the grocery stores, despite the fact that they're pushing hard to get safe systems in place too. And part of that is that we're outside, that we can easily control access and the environment in a way that's challenging inside of a store environment. What we have found is that over the last couple of weeks there's been a pretty increase in people signing up with farmers directly for coming to the market and pre-ordering, and that it's good because the farmers in our market anyway are the vast majority of them are really dependent upon these markets for their year-round economic liability. Without it, they're not going to be in business. They're not going to be able to pay taxes. They're not going to be able to pay their farm workers. So the farmers need a plan now. They needed it a month ago because they're in the midst of their growing season already. In order to deliver spinach this week, they had to plant it months ago. They had to overwinter it. They need cash now to be able to plant seeds so that we can have tomatoes and egg plants in the summer. None of these products that we can get locally are readily available in local supermarkets. I know that, for instance, I do a lot of shopping at the Hunger Mountain Co-op, but even there I can't get the quality and locally grown produce that's available at the farmer's market. So it really is essential. I'm thrilled to hear Abby's comments that there will be some guidance coming out even late this afternoon. We're ready to move and implement as strategically as we can on Saturday morning and have what we're terming is a market-sponsored pickup location. We'd love to have face-to-face pickup as well, if that's possible. If you have any questions, I'm happy to answer them. Yeah, Abby, what do you think about John's suggestions? Those things that you've already talked about or will have an opportunity to deal with? Yeah, so John, I do appreciate the update on what Capital City Farmers Market is thinking of, and I know that your market has been frustrated at times with the information coming from our agency, and I'm sorry for that. I mean, I can speak from personal experience having been a farmer's market vendor for many years as a producer, and I know the importance of markets to kind of build your customer base and test your products and grow your business. So I personally can relate to both you and the Capital City and other farmer's market vendors and markets support staff. So I think much of what you're describing is captured in this updated farmer's market guidance. I think I'm reluctant to give you quote unquote approval to move forward, and I feel like that information will come tomorrow morning once we have a final version approved by the governor's office. And I think, again, this speaks to that desire for black and white and the fact that we're going to function in a little bit of a gray area even going forward. The agency of agriculture is not going to be in a position to approve or grant kind of permission. The process is going to be, the guidance will be provided. It'll be clearly communicated. Folks will have access to it, and the expectation is that people will follow the guidance and adhere to the expectations. So that's the benefit of this next phase of increased clarity around what are the specific expectations. And there will be some individual market questions that are going to still come up. And I think that between a conversation with commerce and the agency of agriculture, we'll still have to do our best to clarify and interpret that guidance to meet individual markets questions and needs. So I don't expect that we're going to unveil guidance because it's not 13 pages long, it's one or two pages long. So it's not going to answer every permutation that every market is going to have starting today through August. So it's really designed to just give guidance and information for right now, right immediately. And that may change going forward. We suspect that it will change going forward. And it will also evolve based upon the parameters of the stay home, stay safe, executive order over time. So I know that's not that exact answer that you hope to hear, but it's the best answer that I can give right now. Thank you. Abby, I'm wondering in many grocery stores, you know, face to face, when you walk through the checkout, not that I've been there, but I've been told that they put up like plexiglass. And I'm wondering if, if like John was saying face to face, if at the counter where they're going to have or be able to put the I'll get you Matty, where they're going to put the, you know, the one pound bag of spinach, if they add a plexiglass up there, so they're really can see each other, but they aren't directly, you know, face to face. If something like that, you know, is already happening. And maybe Matty, you've got an answer to that. Yeah, we have some thoughts and I don't want to interrupt. I really appreciate the discussion, but I didn't know if I was still on your screen or if you can see me. So yeah, we at NOFA have some specific guidelines that we are proposing that I think align really clearly with what John is talking about and social and we have very specific guidelines for that, including eliminating entertainment activities, children's activities, any seating for consumption of prepared food, that kind of thing, as well as some of those really, you know, strict social distancing guidelines and specific types of like physical barriers that vendors can place between themselves and their customers. I think that these guidelines that we have put together, and I will say also that we really, we've been in close touch with the agency and really, really appreciate their hard work on this and their collaboration. But we are continuing to push for a little bit more of a modified market in the way that John is talking about with limited person-to-person contact in a similar way that grocery stores are allowed to operate currently. We are, I'm glad to hear that the agency is considering how to include access for Snapshoppers in these guidelines, because that I will say is one of our biggest concerns with this sort of online pre-order site pickup model that Snapshoppers are not able to use their benefits online currently. So that's really critical for us that Snapshoppers are able to have access. But in addition, we really feel strongly that markets can operate safely with these clear guidelines in place, which are much more in depth than, you know, just to do an online order and curbside pickup model. But we've seen these markets working in other parts of the country, even in New York City, frankly, the green markets are able to operate with this very careful, limited person-to-person contact model. And if they can do it in New York City, which is really the epicenter of this virus right now, we feel strongly that it can happen in Vermont. So I've shared with the committee what NOFA is proposing in terms of these modifications, which are going to some pretty great detail. And we would love to see markets able to adapt these guidelines, you know, and if it feels like the best possible approach, submit those health and safety protocols on an individual basis to be approved. And I also want to share that we have a consultant on hand from the Farmers Market Coalition, which is a national organization, to help us in supporting markets with this transition. So we have some expertise available to help markets meet these guidelines. So those guidelines are available for members of the committee to see. And if you want to look through them right now, Linda is able to put them up on the screen. I'm not sure that that's necessary, but we do feel that this limited person-to-person contact model is possible. And we'd like to see that allowed sooner than later. Yeah, we just really feel strongly that markets are a critical food access point. And if we can do this in a limited, you know, careful person-to-person way, we don't see any reason that markets should be being treated this differently from grocery stores, which I will say in my own personal experience, I respect so much the work that grocery stores and workers and shelf shoppers are doing right now to keep food available. But I will also say that there is not a lot of consistency across stores in what practices are being used. In my town, for example, there are not plexiglass shields and cashiers are not wearing gloves and masks. And so we're proposing that at markets there are much clearer guidelines that all markets are required to follow. I also want to say that as the parent organization to the Vermont Farmers Market Association, NOFA Vermont feels really strongly that we have an opportunity to do great direct communication with individual markets to share these guidelines in ways that there may not be as direct a communication line to all of the grocery stores across the state, for example. So we do feel like we have those communication channels and that we can ensure that all markets are aware of these guidelines and able to put plans in place to meet them. Any questions? Sounds good. Are there questions from other members of the committee? Anthony? Yeah, you're on mute, Anthony. You're muted. That was Linda doing that, I think. Oh. I just want to, you know, I think this is good. I'm wondering, mostly kind of for Abby, I guess, because John and Maddie laid out specific ideas, pretty specific ideas. And I'm just wondering, Abby, if you think that your folks are close together on what you think, I know you can't say for sure what the guidance is going to say, but the stuff that Maddie's outlining and that John outlined in a letter to us a while ago seemed pretty comprehensive. And I'm just wondering if those are things that are all on the table for you, Abby. Yeah. So, Senator, I think they're on the table. I think the question and the difference may be around the timeline in which they're implemented. And what I mean by that is I think there are probably be some stricter expectations for the immediate implementation for farmers markets that's beyond what John and Maddie shared. And again, I don't know if that will be in effect for through the end of April and that once market season for the summer time starts to really pick up in May that we can shift to that slightly more relaxed option. I'm presuming that that's what will happen. And so I think the hard part is going to be being comfortable with what we have for the immediacy of where we are right now and communicating that so that there's crystal clear understanding of what's permissible today and then making the shift once either the executive order changes or the guidance for markets and other businesses can be implemented that's slightly different than today. And I think that when that will happen, I don't think that any of us or even the governor or his staff are able to anticipate that quite yet. And I think it's all going to be dependent upon what we see around the COVID cases and in circumstances around pandemic flattening curve. I know you already said this, I know, but once these guidance comes out, we will no longer be doing this case by case basis, basically people just get the guidance. So adhering to the guidance, they can go ahead. Unless they have specific questions that they want to ask you. Yeah, and I think we'll still welcome both at commerce or at ag the specific questions as people will have kind of permutations and nuances that they are going to want feedback on. And we expect that and we'll do our very best to give again clear and consistent feedback. I think the bigger challenge is going to be, you know, if the guidance says prohibited person to person contact and only preordering for curbside pickup, which is my guess, that's different than what both Nova and John have proposed. It's not that different, but it is, it is a slight modification. I certainly hope that you folks can work together on this and get these fresh fruits and veggies out to our people as easily as possible and safe as possible. Are there any other questions? And Maddie, you got another one? Yeah, I just want to add a point that I didn't include earlier, which John touched on a little bit, but I think I just want to stress that one of our concerns with the sort of online preorder and curbside pickup model is just access for those tools to certain folks in the community who really, you know, are potentially at risk in particular ways. We're concerned that, you know, elderly folks or limited access to the internet are really going to be cut out of an online preorder model. And I think those are the folks who were really trying to ensure have access through allowing this limited person to person contact model. We definitely don't want to be supporting a proposal that, you know, places a greater disadvantage on folks without necessary resources like access to the internet, for example, to be able to participate. So that's just another concern I really want to highlight. John, you had a question, but I think Abby, your hand was up first. Yeah, let me just, I just want to respond to what just for further clarification again. So I feel that we're in a tight spot and that I don't have final guidance that I can reference right now during this call. I'd hoped that during this committee meeting we would have been able to, but unfortunately we can't. My understanding though is that it would not just be online order, so you would not need to just have access to the internet, but it would need to be a preorder. So you could have a phone conversation with a farmer, and you could even do payment on site. So that could be cash, that could be check, and that's the avenue that we're thinking should be able to work for SNAP and EBT cards. So again, and people can, people don't have to drive up to the market, curbside pickup location, they can ride a bike, they can walk there. So there's other kind of assurances to do our very best to make sure that these would be accessible. This arrangement would be acceptable to, to, you know, most if not all citizens or for moners. Yeah, thank you. John, yes. Is that Chris? Yes, I have a question. I'm happy to go after John. Yeah. Okay, John, you're up. Thank you. And Abby, I really appreciate, even though you can't give us guidance today that the inference is there, that we may be able to preserve some sort of basically preordering on site, which is what we have in mind. And we won't have plexiglass, but we'll sort of do the six foot dance back and forth across a table that I think, you know, people could say that there would be a menu of items that are available. I could preorder my spinach. I could pay for it. Somebody could pick it up from the farmer, bring it to the table. I could then pick it up from the table. I think all that can be done quite easily and very safely and leave that option open to farmers to sell additional produce and customers who don't have access to preordering or who forget to preorder the ability to have access to that food. So I hope that's the way it turns out tomorrow morning. Thank you. Well, sometimes John, you have to use your imagination a little bit. Chris. Yeah, Abby, thank you for all the work you're doing. And I guess in some ways we're lucky that it's just the very beginning of April here. And I'm hopeful we can sort this out for our farmers and consumers. I'm struggling to understand the justification of how I can go shop at a supermarket in a confined aisle doing my best to keep away from people, but that I can't similarly walk around a park that has tables appropriately spread out and shop that way.  And I wonder if you can help us understand that to the extent that we're not treating these two food shopping experiences the same. Yeah, good question, Senator. And we're hearing that a lot these days. So I'll give a point. But if Steve Collier is still on, I know that Steve has done a lot of thinking on this as well. I think one difference would be at a typically oriented farmer's market, you're not able to have interactions with just one person, like one checkout person, which would be typically the way a farmer's market, I mean, typically the way a grocery store arrangement is that you just have one point of contact at your checkout. But it's true, there are other people kind of in your vicinity shopping, but it just sort of speaks to the nature of individualized transactions at individual tables at a farmer's market that's very, very different than a grocery store experience. Senator Stardow, I don't know if you want to encourage Steve to share his thoughts on this topic as well as he's as he's noodled on it for a while. Steve's working on this too? Yes, thankfully. Yes, Senator. And good morning.  So I'm used to this. So I do think it, I mean, Abby's done a great job explaining it, everyone's points are so incredibly valid. And I think it's, it's helpful to have a little bit of the backdrop of exactly what's going on. And that is, and we all know this, but the whole point of the executive order is to keep people apart. And that can't happen perfectly because we still need to do a lot of things, including eating. So that that is the principle point that sort of frames all of this dialogue is, whether people are apart. So to the extent possible, the governor wants to keep everyone apart. Since that's not possible to do that, we have critical services that are defined. And when those critical services are implicated, then we do allow limited person to person contact. And so there's a lot of confusion about this, what it means person to person and whether social distancing applies or whether no contact, the only, the only way that the, that the social distancing kicks in is if you are essential, if you are an essential business, then you are allowed to have person to person contact. But you have to employ all of the social distancing techniques that we're now familiar with that we never heard of two months ago. And you also have to telecommute whenever possible. So agriculture is absolutely essential. Agriculture is not being thwarted or stopped in any direct way. A farmer can produce and a farmer can sell. The market raises a different construct because what it does is it gathers people together. And it's a great question about the difference between supermarkets and farmers markets. And you can make an easy argument that there is no difference. One potential difference is that while everyone goes to the supermarket, not necessarily everyone goes to farmers markets and most people don't get everything they need at farmers markets. They also go to supermarkets. So there's at least the question if you have an open farmers market, are you creating an additional avenue for people to get food so that people are both going to farmers markets and going to supermarkets and thereby increasing their exposure to other people. Another issue, which I don't know whether or not this has been a factor in the thinking so far or not, but in a normal supermarket, you don't have your farmers in the middle of everyone. In a farmers market, you're introducing by the very nature of it, farmers to the consumers, which we all of course, in ordinary times, want to do. There's a question about whether right now, when we're in the middle of a global pandemic, you want to put farmers in the middle of the community because that does create some additional risk for them. And whether or not that's something that you want to do or don't want to do, and I don't pretend to have the answer, but I think that's something that's worth considering if you're taking farmers out of their normal place where they're fairly isolated and sticking them in the middle of everyone, whether that's potentially to their detriment. So, I mean, those are some of the many issues that are arising, but also please keep in mind that when you can't have person-to-person contact, you can still do everything as long as you're not having person-to-person contact. And that's where the curbside delivery, all of these other alternate mechanisms like restaurants doing take out and delivery only. Like even if you're not a critical business, you can continue to function provided you're not having any person-to-person contact. And where a lot of confusion has arisen on that ground is the person-to-person contact is not only between business and customer, it's between employees. So, if you have, you know, 15 people in a greenhouse all working to sell flowers, like to homeowners right now, the agency of commerce has asked people not to do that. You can maintain your plants, but you can't get 15 people together all working together to produce flowers to homeowners because at this juncture that's not considered a critical service in the middle of the pandemic. Now, that guidance is also subject to change, but it's all very nuanced and it's difficult and at its core what really everyone is trying to do is to make sure that people aren't having contact with others unless it's important. Does that make sense?  Chris, does that help you at all? It helps me understand the thinking. I can't say I'm convinced. I really, you know, there are little Asian markets in my neighborhood. We let them stay open because they sell food as we should and I think we're making a really odd distinction here of kind of what is quote-unquote the normal way of people getting food and what isn't. I guess I'm not convinced and I hope we can keep working on this because I think it's pretty important, especially given the pandemic. Yeah, it's very important. John? I appreciate also the comments and I think it's curious that we're trading the help of agricultural workers in middle of California who are growing and producing and sending produce to Vermont for in exchange for, you know, keeping the farmers out of the farmer's market so that they can be healthy. I think there's way to preserve face-to-face essential face-to-face interchange without endangering anybody beyond what is reasonable. I just do. Well, I think we want to get on to the community gardens issue and whether or not that's going to be a problem as we move forward. Has there been any comment on Abbey in regards to allowing them to operate and set up or not? Yeah, so maybe again Steve and I can address this one together and maybe one last comment that I might make related to Senator Pearson and John's comments are that farmers can still sell food and I think that's a really important reminder here that we're not saying that a farm can't sell food at this time. They absolutely can. I think the guidance around a farmer's market is more of some guidance around what the sale of that food looks like in a public location for pickup where there's other people and other vendors and other farmers but we have great success and wonderful stories of farmers that are figuring out how to do online payment other farms that are doing sales out of their farm stand or their garage or their front stoop to customers that are looking to buy product and we recognize that that's not as convenient and that may be more of a limitation for the elderly or for people that don't drive or for some of the SNAP recipients. So again, I think there's value in having this market allowance with stricter guidelines but I do think it's really important to acknowledge that farmers can still sell food and consumers can still access food directly from farms. So the community garden piece again I'll share a little bit and then Steve has had some communication with agency of commerce as recent as this morning. We've sort of looked at it as it's a place where people can still garden and till soil and have their hands on the dirt and it just may be something that they need to do while practicing social distancing and it's not really the jurisdiction of the agency of agriculture because generally that food is not being sold that's generally food that people may be just growing for themselves flowers you know food items for their own individual family but I think the issue has always been about wanting to limit that person to person contact and if you're able to achieve that with social distancing um that that may be 100 acceptable. The Vermont Community Garden Network has some great resources on their website about how to do that how to manage hand washing and practice social distancing and and take into consideration public safety. Yeah but Steve was there something you wanted to add or something that I missed? Uh Steve you're muted. Can you hear me now senator? Yes. Okay thank you just just briefly I think the bottom line is we don't know exactly the status of community gardens yet you know we feel that they could be permissible with social distancing as Abby said it's not really specifically an agency of agriculture question and it's it's um I think the big question will ultimately be is is having a community garden does that create a gathering of 10 people so that if you allowed more than 10 people so would that be an issue and then the other question is and it's I just don't think it's been answered yet because it hasn't arisen with any urgency just yet but we are talking about it is um is it a permissible reason to leave your home because underlying all of this there are outlined reasons why each of us can leave our home and exercise is probably the one that this would fit into right now and the question is is um gardening and your community exercise and I don't think that's been interpreted just yet. Any other questions for uh in regards to the farmer markets or community gardens Anthony? It's not really a question I just want to remind Abby to please send us a copy of the guidelines when you share them with others send it to Linda and Linda can distribute them to the committee because I was going to suggest that I would like to be on the call tomorrow morning but and I remember and I think the Senate's going to be on the floor tomorrow morning I'll believe it or not so 9 30 Anthony. Right so even with all this zooming we can still only be in one place at a time so I won't be able to make the meeting with the farmer's markets folks but I'd like to get the hold of the guidance as soon as possible. Happy to share it there's no reason why we wouldn't um and I can send it to Linda and just for clarification Senator Polina the call with farmer's markets will be from 8 to 9 a.m. tomorrow morning so if you're feeling up in early and chipper and want to join before you're on the floor that you're certainly welcome. Okay it depends what else I got going on I don't know about the shipper part. Yeah um any anything else in regards uh Rose? Yeah I just want a clarification on the guard the community gardens thing um because I'm looking at the guidance at the Vermont community garden network and Abby and Steve um I know it's not generally under the purview of agency of agriculture but I'm I'm still unclear uh will there be guidance coming out what should we be telling people I I've been trying to share as much with my constituents through regular communications and but I don't want to send them this link to this guidance on the community gardens network if it's gonna if it's not what you are recommending or you're not sure if community gardens should be happening what what should we be telling people uh Steve thank you senator so as Abby um pointed out I've briefly looked at what the Vermont community gardens network posted as well and I think all of the suggestions are perfectly great suggestions I think from the state's perspective and implementing the executive order the question just hasn't been answered yet so you know definitely if anyone is out in a community garden they should be uh practicing practicing social distancing without question that's something we should all be doing at all times whether or not a community garden that has 25 people potentially gardening simultaneously is something that's permissible under the executive order just can't um answer that yet we do realize that it's an important question and as Abby mentioned we have posed it to the agency of commerce who's been working tirelessly trying to get out um information and I think another important thing for people to just think about is they're trying very hard and and we're helping them then in that endeavor trying to not to be answering individual questions because we don't want people who have contacted the state to have some sort of advantage or disadvantage as opposed to everyone else who may not be directly contacting the state but instead is reading the guidance so what we're really trying to do is publish guidance that's as clear as possible and it's never clear enough as we make up this new economy on the fly um but we're trying to give people guidance that can be uniformly understood and followed instead of specifically saying to one person yes you can do this no you can't do that and it's not that we don't want to but with the number of businesses and people who are uh involved it's very difficult to do that so absolutely if you're out in a community garden you should be social distancing whether or not that is a reason that the governor envisions for leaving your house right now we're just not certain yeah thank you Dave um so I guess as long as there isn't 25 working in the garden maybe two or three or four different ends of the field maintain their distancing uh they're they're okay to go Steve as senator you know I I think at most right now what would happen is if some local officer thought that wasn't appropriate they might talk to the people in the garden I you know I don't think it would be angry growing your own food we all want people to be growing their own food it's just that question of what exactly are you allowed to communicate to be close to others with right now and so we do hope to answer that question more clearly but if people were in their garden two or three at a time socially distanced I mean I you know I think that um at most that would be a conversation to be had right now yeah very good Ruth does that sort of answer your question yeah sure it's sort of I mean I think this is a whole a whole new world we're all trying to figure out and the answers are not always clear so that's I I get that that's fine thank you yeah any other questions in regards to the community gardens and if not and farmers yes matty I'm gonna I'm gonna leave you all because I think we're done with the the topics but I just want to make a closing point um in reference to you know Steve's statement about you know us creating this new economy I really feel like I have to say this and I didn't because I sometimes assume that it goes without saying but I really feel like in this new economy that we are creating especially in this crisis it's very important that food security food sovereignty access to food access to starts for people to be able to grow their own food even if they are not commercial farmers should really be centralized within the policies that we're creating right now and that's it's so critical to no permission that I would feel remiss if I didn't stress that point and I think that's just sort of our overall comment um on some of these policy decisions coming down from the administration that all of these food access points including access to home gardeners to grow starts should be looked at as critical pieces of our food sovereignty um that we take really seriously and really want to be preserving as essential as everything else so thank you so much thank you