Welcome to our newest chapter of the future of storytelling. After an introduction to the basics of storytelling, we spent last week discussing TV series, a media format that is not at all new but nevertheless still enjoying, if not still gaining, great popularity. One of the major reasons TV series are an important part in this course lies in its key role concerning the evolution of another serial audio-visual format, the web series and other serial web content. To think of the audio-visual web series as one format or one unified media content category is of course as wrong as to speak of the movie or the TV series as one always similar format and medium. No, to be honest, well, it's even more difficult, but we'll see that now. So, what is a web series? If you ask this question about five years ago, the answer would have been that a web series is in its core a series originally designed and produced for a web platform. It can consist of either single episodes or continued storylines. Episodes of a web series are usually called webby-sodes. When I got my first ever writing gig in 2008, it was to create a web series for a German team networking website. There were three major rules that were given to me by the production company. Create a series whose episodes are not longer than three to five minutes with less than four to five recurring characters and possibly make it play in one location, preferably an elevator or something else that is easy to design and cheap to rent. Why? The location and actors restrictions were completely based on the low-cost policy attached to web series because anything else was just not affordable for the production company. Successful financial models did not exist. If we look at the financing of international TV, the program and shows are either funded by commercials from the private sector like in cable TV or as for example with Germany's public service broadcasting by the taxpayers money called GEZ. Also, there is pay TV like Sky or HBO, channels that the audience directly pays for. Obviously, big-budget ads are only placed with programs that are attached to thousands, if not millions of viewers, not a fictional series that is unknown and presented on YouTube and therefore has no money to employ well-known actors or offer a high production value. Basically, it was a vicious circle. The missing funding resulting in low production value and little to no marketing for the series and the low production value and missing marketing resulting in low attention, little audiences and little to no funding. If we look at the TV ratings of one of Germany's most successful access primetime shows in 2011, Um Himmels Willen, for example, 6.5 million viewers were already called an all-time low compared to usually about 8 million viewers. If we compare this to the most successful German web series on former web series Platform 3 Minutes called Blutsbrüder, Blood Brothers, 170,000 clicks on the pilot episode were already one major success, the basically best success this platform ever had. Getting back to the rules given to me and my writing task, this explains the restriction of cast and space. But what were the reasons behind limiting the length of each episode to 3 to 5 minutes? Professor Dr. Jan Desemeier from the University of Applied Sciences in Potsdam describes the fear of web creators that is directly connected to its distribution platforms like YouTube or Vimeo. They are very afraid of the short attention span that you can switch on your computer from one item, from one show, from one formation, to a program like this one, to another. You switch without switching because most of the time you may have opened several windows and you can just switch between them just by letting UI passing to the next information or the next show or the next offerings in another window.


Who's the girl? This is Bonnie. Hi. Hi. Does anybody have to clip of me from BlizzCon? S-Fan running at BlizzCon.  That's me.  Bro, get this out of here. Look. I can't even hear it. I can't hear anything. My frequency is too high. And the louder I scream, the more I sound like I'm in the video. Punk-O-S-Fan will keep her ways. Hey, Bonnie. No, that's super weird. Yes. I told you. Well, yeah, but... Dude. Girl has conversation with a guy. Exactly. It's never happened before. Hell, yeah. Girl has casual conversation. Nice.  Yeah. All right. You ran super fast here? Okay. That was my idea. It was a great time. Does anybody have the actual video? That was the real video. That was not it. Get out of the way. Oh, is it? Is it me running four years ago? Don't get hit by the car, yeah? The Savickson Enrollment. Okay, awesome. Look at the speed. That's kind of super fast. Dude, this guy's going to need a lot of water after this. Dude, you ran so fast. Before the incident. Was that rocket booster or what? Dude, I'm telling you.  Look at this. You got traps. The traps in the show. Dude, like, I was rocked up, man. I was, like, a freaking titan of industry in the weight room as well. Keep playing again. I'm getting into it slowly. I don't want to get... I think you can get back to at least being, like, half that speed. I want to be 250. No, you don't. Yeah, I want to be 250.  Then why would you want to be smaller than that? Because I'm not going to be that strong anymore. Oh. I've just had too many injuries and stuff. Okay. I'm just too beat up. We just have to be on the Camp Canute Diet. My diet is already impeccable, but it's not about what I already know. I think if we're doing Camp Canute, we got to go all in. Is her hair real or did she borrow yours? She did borrow mine. You haven't even seen my hair. Yeah, true. Right now I look like Lord Fawquod, but usually... Yeah, what do I look like usually? A Muppet? Usually I look like... A Muppet? Muppets are a good one. Yeah. Same. What's your favorite Muppet? Grover. Grover's cool. Grover is cool because he doesn't have a family. He told me he thinks that I'm ugly. I did. That is true. Yeah, I think that's six months. Your hair is gorgeous. Thank you. My hair is gorgeous. Thanks. They were saying it to me. No, they were talking to me. Jan, were you talking to me or to Bonnie? Espen, do you have any male friends outside of OTK or are they all girls? They're all girls. They're all girls. Espen's hair. Me and Bonnie actually have same hair. Yeah, actually one of my hair is natural. This isn't natural. Right now it's just like half natural sort of. But they cut it. They cut it the other day before I left to Romania. I went to Romania to get my tooth fixed. Because that's what you do when you go to Romania. That's what you do when you go to Romania. That's what you do when you're homeless. And I'm not Iranian. Iranian. He's Iranian. Iranian. You started saying Iranian too because I always say it. Howdy, y'all. Howdy. I'm Iranian. A little bit Bavarian and some Norwegian actually. And a lot of homeless. And a lot of homeless. And mostly poor. This is Bonnie's deal. Bonnie is homeless. She doesn't have a home. She travels and does IRL and just lives in hotels and Airbnbs. Yeah, I'm a glorified hobo. I live in mostly long-term Airbnbs. And I travel from country to country. And I just, you know, work it out. Work out my existential crisis. And then I forced her to come to Austin. And he basically was like, yo, I got a ticket. Against your will, right? Against my will. Yes, against your will. If you don't come here, I am going to take away your house. And I was like, I don't have a house. And he was like, I'm going to take away your future. And I was like, wait. I was exactly what for. I'm going to take away your Airbnbs and your box. I'm going to take away your cardboard box. I need that. I need that. Huh? Cardboard box. Here. Yeah. See, that's why you need this. You need the razor chair. Brain damage. Dude, this is sick. That's a good treatment. And so made this. What? Dude, it's like Metal Gear. It's so beautiful. This is solid S-Fan. Is this a final draft, though? It's just a sketch. Well, he's not colored, but it looks good. It looks really good. Due to attempt at Metal Gear-ish S-Fan, feel free to make a cool version of your better than me. That's good. It looks like he does like comic artwork. Yeah, he does Twitch chat. Oh, yeah. Even better. Improve your energy for Game Canoe. Cold shower. Dude, this video is amazing.  Toy-do-ice baths. You know what? Just watch this.  During these past few months, I've been taking cold shower-ish and every single day. Starting from the 18th of September when I arrived here in Washington. That same day, I decided on my journey of taking cold shower and do business fast. This video's on Iran. Cold shower. This is on Iran? I was watching this on Miz on his stream one time. I thought this was actually Iran? No, no. This guy made this video, and he's like, hey, I worked really hard on this YouTube video. It took me a month to edit it. And will you watch it on stream? And I said, yeah, we said, yeah, let's watch it. So we were on Miz's stream, and we watched. Dude, this thing is amazing. Since 1980s, cold shower is so funny. It's so funny. With incredible amount of positive effect on your mind, body, and soul. Cold shower invigorates your sense and makes you feel alive. In addition to that, a cold shower has been scientifically proven to cure depression and anxiety among other mental disorders. The medicinal effect of cold shower has been used during ancient times. It caused South Asia, Europe, Africa, and the Middle East. In the U.S., businesses like Wall Street Journal and Forbes have described cold showers as bold and backbreaking. Some others describe it as psychopathic. In many cases, cold shower is recommended for people who want to achieve success in life. The benefits of taking a cold shower... Everything about this video is edited perfectly. It is really good. It's basically stronger. But then it's about cold shower. Yes. It makes you feel happy. After taking a cold shower, you will definitely feel more energetic and optimistic about your life and your future. It is also said that cold shower can help people stay focused on this industry. This is what happens when you 100% want some extra credit. Yeah. Like, where did you get all this stock footage from? This kind of mindset is what... It's not all of it. It's like $4,000. It's basically trying to get rich by following that emotion and falling to the scams. The recent thing of success is consistency. It's because when you believe in that, it's constantly improving yourself. No, $4,000. Every day, one day, you'll be good enough and you might make it. Like Jordan Peterson said. You get 1% better a week. And self-discipline is the key to good consistency and other skills that are needed. Example, this is one of the videos of me presenting.  Please, it was tight. What? Even though I'm tight, you don't even know what I was saying. Feels right, man. Feels right, man. Let's see. I thought if I don't improve myself right now, what would I ever become better? So I started counting. Three, two, one. And while writing the cold shower, we're flexing our entire body.  Just an idea? It did. The next day, somebody went to the shower. Somebody filming themselves, like, got you high-faring. Awake up. And then my fourth week started. This was on the 9th of December.  Winter's coming. Yeah, they're on fun. I started to get aslo with 35 form lines around two cells. And started to get real cold. I started to shiver a bit more. And the excuse started to come again. And this time... It's sensible. It makes sense. I mean, it's really getting cold. I've already did this for four months. How did it turn winter? So maybe this is... It was so cold, it started snowing.  Snow's coming. So I decided to just stop. I've already proven to myself that I can do it. One month is more than enough. I've got breaking rights. And I've become a more disciplined person. Then when I started this journey... True.  It was an amazing journey. I'm proud of myself. I'm proud of that. Every single day I was able to tell myself be disciplined and walk under that cold water. And with any challenges, and their rewards. And for this challenge, the rewards was an amazing, warm, cozy water. It was so strokeable. Honestly, I deserved it. By the way, warm water also has many benefits. I didn't know that. He said stroke. But in fact, relieve your muscle tensions and improve your blood circulation. He said stroke. I turned open the warm water. That hot, humid air mixed in much better. It was going to be the best shower I've ever had in my life. I love this video. But then I stopped. Something just hit me. I love this video, dude. I stopped. This is amazing. And I turned the heat to full cold. But cool. Welcome to the clock twist. He likes the call. And I did that until now. Four months later. Why is he shivering so hard? That something was my goal. Who I want to become. And the self-discipline that I need to shift. So this is my first video. We got you ahead of a ring time. What is your goal in life? Nice. You know what? This is like this guy's first video or something. I don't remember. That's amazing. It's basically the actual example of making something uninteresting, super interesting. And this video is actually really well done. It's really well done. Yeah. We watched it on Mr. J. It was great. So funny, dude. Bring it back, Saj. Hey there, first up. Train used to do these intros. Trainwrecks used to do these intros when Trainw was in Austin.  Like when you stay loud like flipping. Yeah. But then we did it one time and it was me. We'd do this. We'd always do this with me. Yeah. That's good. Yeah, I remember like, I've trained so much, dude. That's good. As then kills Gus Fring. Who's Gus Fring? Oh, oh yeah, yeah, yeah. From Breaking Bad, yeah. How are you? I remember the scene. I remember the scene. I remember the scene. Dude, making this connection is so perfect, dude. Making this connection is so perfect.  Actually, this is actually amazing. Wow. Amazing. Beautiful. The making that connection, damn. That is deep cut. That is good. We're going to do a little bit of a field test slash IRL shopping stream with the new camera. It is a Sony FX3. This is a uncharted territory for a group because we haven't used it. And FX3 is a cinema line camera. All right, I'll be right back. I'm going to go to the back chat. That's some looking stuff. Thanks, cute. Thanks. Yeah, that's because I shaved. And I started Camp Canoe. Ever since I started Camp Canoe, you know, I used to brag all the time about four years ago, but now that I started Camp Canoe, I actually can't say it anymore. No. Yeah.


can see and hear me fine. We'll just start it, but not bad. Okay, not bad. Let me fix the microphone a little bit. How about this? Is this better? That's better. Yeah, you have better. You have some static. There's some static. Let's see if I can fix this. All right, switching to a different microphone. Is this better? That's better. Yes. This is better. Okay, so I'll use this microphone. I have like four microphones. So it's good then. Yeah, really happy to be here. And I guess I'll just begin with a maybe very short 10 minutes introduction of the current work that we're focusing on. And then we just launch into a free discussion. Is that the idea? Yeah, you can go 15 if you want. Don't worry about it. I can go 15 if I want. Okay, that's excellent. If I want to share a screen, is that okay with you? Yeah, the boss is cherry, so shoot. Anything you want. Right, if you can, like if the screen sharing is activated. So let me try sharing my screen just a second. Because I have some cute dog pictures I would like to show you. And if it doesn't work through a screen share, then I just physically hold the iPad. That's my plan B. And let's see if we can get it to work. So sharing screen, sharing a application, sharing the air server application with any luck. Okay, maybe two cute dogs. Okay, it's good. Yeah, okay, excellent. All right, so let's get started. So hello, I'm Audrey Tom, time station minister in charge of social innovation and of a government also use engagement. My current work is to bring, I guess, the demos over demics, that is to say to strengthen democracy during the pandemic and also the infodemic. And our main idea is called humor over rumor, which solves both the pandemic and the infodemic with the power of fun. And what you're looking at is the spoke stock literally a Shiba Inu of the Taiwan CEC Central Epidemic Command Center. And this dog is telling you in not uncertain terms that please wear a mask to protect yourself from your own unwashed hand. And this is a beautifully crafted message, because not only did it appeal entirely to rational self interest, but also makes masks, a really kind of personal statement that you would like to wear even if there's nobody nearby. Other messages such as where must to protect the elderly, where must to respect others and so on, doesn't have the same basic transmission rate as this simple message. And our idea is very simple. For all the conspiracy theories, we counter them within a couple of hours with this very fun picture. This one talks about physical distancing, which you probably already figured out in terms of Shiba Inu.  And when we're dealing with a conspiracy theory, this is tissue papers are running out. We even have the head of our cabinet, Su Zhenchang, as you can see here, that's his front side, showing his back side and wiggling it a little bit. And this is a workplace that says each of us only have one pair of bottoms, because you see in Mandarin, it's a homonym to stockpile toilet, sounds the same as autumn's toilet. So this is basically saying you can't use that much anyway. And with a very factual table that says tissue papers are from South American materials, while medical masks are from domestic materials. And so people who laugh about it is literally immune, like vaccine of the mind from conspiracy theory involving tissue papers, because everyone will understand, while we are ramping up the production of masks from two million a day to 20 million a day, there is pretty much no way that tissue paper production would be hampered because of it. And because of that, we think just a couple of days, the panic buying just died down. So this is, of course, obviously, tackling both pandemic, but with no lockdown, and tackling the infodemic, and with no takedown, with no takedown by the administration. And so another thing I would like to highlight of this social innovation, which actually has three pillars, fast, fair and fun. And I spent, I guess, way too much time to talk about fun, because I like to talk about the part. But there's also the fast part, and also the fair part. The fast part pertains to the collective intelligence system, because in Taiwan, we have this social sector data collisions. That is to say, when people want to figure out what actually happens in Wuhan, and that's last December, people just upvoted on the PTT, which is the Taiwanese equivalent of Reddit, except, of course, it's not owned by a business sector. It's not by the public sector either. It's literally pet project, side project of National Tamil University students. And so it has been around for more than 20 years. And so it's the go-to place for this young doctor with the name No More Pipe, that reposted Dr. Lee, one else, with a blowing, and get a professional essentially triaging what's actually going on in Wuhan. And before long, actually within 24 hours, they get into this rough consensus that this looks really legit. And so the next thing we know, not only do we send an email to WHO, but we started health inspections for offline passengers coming in from Wuhan, thanks to this collective intelligence serving as essentially a early warning system. So the Malang literally saved Taiwanese people. Of course, you didn't get to save the Wuhan people, but anyway, that is because, of course, the difference in the civil liberties, in the freedom of speech, of assembly, of the press, and so on. According to the Civicus Monitor, Taiwan is the only jurisdiction in the whole of Asia where a minister's word holds the same power as a journalist's word, or for that measure, a random pseudonymus young doctor's word on the PTT. And so this enables us to build a very fast response that basically says anyone who watched the daily 2pm livestream can call this toll-free number 1922. Of course, there are high-tech ways like chatbots and so on. But for anyone, they just call 1922. And they can say, we didn't quite get what the minister was saying, Chen Zhizong was saying. And so please repeat that to me slowly again, explain like M5. Perhaps the caller is 5. And so the call center people will always explain no uncertain sense. But sometimes it's also a feedback look like a social innovation look. For example, there was a young boy, like really young, who called I think 12th of April saying, you're rationing out masks. And all I get is a young boy are those pink medical masks. And I don't want to wear pink to school. My customers will laugh at me, do something about it. So the call center people doesn't know how to handle this call. And so it got escalated all the way to the CECC because I was there when it was escalated to the CECC. And then very next day, all the medical officers regardless of gender in the daily livestream press conference were pink. And minister Chen Zhizong even said that his childhood hero was the pink panther. And so the young boy become the most hip boy in the class where only he has the color that the heroes wear. And I guess also heroes wear for some value of wear. And so all the trending brands actually changed their avatars on social media pink. So for a while pink became the most hip color. And then of course, a lot more people is willing to wear masks and wash their hands because of that. And so the solution is not only gender mainstreaming also promotes social innovation because now people know if you call one or two to do with a random idea, chances are that ministers will actually amplify your idea to the country. And so later on, there's a professor lecture that's actually got experiments going with the traditional rice cookers and says, if you don't add water to the traditional rice cooker, you will very quickly heat up and kill the virus but doesn't kill the mask. And so you can end up using the mask quite a few times using the dry cooking, dry steaming method.  It sounds ridiculous, but it's scientifically true.  While professor Legend explained the theory on the press conference, so that's very quick and also collective intelligence is not a top down thing. And finally, I want to talk about fairness. In Taiwan, there's this movement called G0V or GOV0. We look, we, because I wear two hats, we look at all the government digital services, which is always something that GOV.tw and fork taking it to a different direction, then build alternative websites, something that G0V.tw. So just by changing O to a 0 on your browser bar, you get into the shadow government, which is always more fun. And it's based on the same public data, but it's also offered in a free of, like free as in freedom way to allow more forks in the civil society. So case in point, there was a young civic technologist in Tainan city named Howard Wu. What we have seen is his work, making sure that the people who can look at a map on their phone, they can find the nearby place that has the most mask in stock. And this was in like very early February. And so once we discover that his idea went viral, then we decide to trust him with the open data in real time. When open data becomes real time, it's called open API. So we ask all the pharmacists to publish their mask availability every 30 seconds. So it became like a distributed ledger where more than 100 different tools, including chatbots and so on, all can visualize as you queue in line. You can see the person queuing before you take their national health card, which covers 99.99% of people, and look in real time that this become 186, meaning that they use a child's IC card and purchase 10 medical masks per day, two weeks, that's our rationing. And so because of that, if you see rather the number increase rather than decrease, when the person before you queuing in line, purchase something, you would call 1922 right there. So this is participatory accountability, just like distributed ledger where everybody gets to audit the system. And this increases the trust throughout the country and also makes sure that people who look at the distribution can actually analyze the trend, just like a real exchange. And then there was a MP, a member of parliament that said to minister of transition, join an interpolation, it looks fair on the map, but if you zoom it out using open street map, you can see it's actually unfair because for people in the more rural places, the distance may look the same on air, but actually using public transportation, they will have to spend hours to get to the pharmacy. Maybe the pharmacy is already closed by then. So it's actually silently unfair. And minister instead of defending, simply said, a legislator teaches because we have the same evidence. So we started co-creating with the community and the very next day, we wrote out this 24 hour pre-ordering mask and you can pick it up in nearby convenience stores. And so not limited by the opening hours of the pharmacies anymore. So go home and member of the parliament who was VP of data analytics at Foxconn Group said yesterday's interpolation become tomorrow's improvement. And so that is actually evidence-based co-creation. And in the time of the pandemic, this is what makes everyone in Taiwan feel that we can actually be part of this collective intelligence and join, of course, also on helping the world. And a lot of this playbook you can find in Taiwan can help that us. And so I don't think this is 15 minutes, but I would just stop here.


All right good afternoon. Good morning. Whatever it is Morning, so it's for one more minute. Okay. I'm Jim Christie from the Department of Defense cyber crime Center And this is the meet the Fed meet the ex-fed and meet the TV feds So so we're changing up a little bit this year. What we're gonna do is we're gonna start off with Spot the Lamer.  Yeah, okay No spot the lame Need about two or three more Okay, what we're going to do while while we find the last couple of the rules are we're all going to take a Turn asking each of you a question guy answer the question and Answer it loud enough over there. There's speaker the microphone trade over there Answer the question and then we're going to have the audience vote Who the Lamer is okay might win big prizes a Date with David McCollum Okay Would you like to ask the first question, okay, okay for the husband and wife couple here The question is where do you store your porn? Where does he store his porn ma'am so what you're saying is you are his porn I Didn't hear did she answer I'm gonna get myself one of these So where does she store her porn? It's actually in a shoebox under the bed She's old school Okay, David, would you like to ask a question the microphone's right there? Who am I asking here? Pick one pick one the gentleman right in front of me right here What websites do your neighbors frequently visit? Facebook Gmail You got a little Twitter action going on as well and there's a lot of gay porn surprisingly That might be my roommate sure it's your roommate sure it's your roommate. You don't count sir Okay, Andy I'll ask my crush question to the lady in front of me.  I didn't have any my husband does the firewall.  There's no flipping There's no flipping was the answer John All right, we'll go to the guy down the end here Finish this sentence the internet is for porn a Very good question. I've got to go back to the first speaker The internet is for whatever we want to make it useful for Okay, Justin Let's do you have you ever had a lightsaber battle in public?  It wasn't my mother it was yours Rich you got a question down there Rich had a bad night. So rich are you actually allowed to operate domestically? I had a great night He hooked up with a midget last night Jim can you explain the donkey I get the midget actually it was actually it was three midgets They're very dear friends of mine They're members of the little people of America. We're on Facebook.  Some of my best friends are midgets sir. Is that what you're saying? I Well, we're walking too far there priest No longer have don't ask don't tell so that's that's true Maybe that's what she tells you Next dude What are your plans for the first Saturday in May not that I'm asking for a date, okay? He is but I'm not This guy. Yeah, the one who looks puzzled Sadly, I'm moving Say again, I'm moving. Oh big whoop Okay, what we're gonna do is need the audience to vote You missed the blonde Okay, I'll ask for a blonde new skipper. What's wrong? Does your wife don't cuz she's here. I think Did your last romantic relationship involve any human contact? All right, we're gonna vote couple number one All right sit down The blonde You have been eliminated. You've been voted off the island. I'm sorry All right, this gentleman tough crowd.  All right, you're gone The old fart Dan Yen Okay, second round of questions starting with this gentleman here How old is your my space account? Okay, okay question Okay, David Here it comes have you recompiled your colonel yet today I Think I'm the wrong sex for that No And it sounds so much dirtier with a British accent too Okay for when you go to support supplies at night you head to the kitchen of the nearest late-night fast food place That would assume that my trip is for food so neither My drug dealer delivers When you exit the gate of the base is that a laundry a 7-eleven and then what is it madam dragons? Somebody help me. I can't remember. It's over the June So when you exit the base gates, what what's the first shop on the on the left? Just outside 8 on H Street, right? That's madam Yeah, madam dragon. You've been drinking today already We used to do spot the Fed but it's gotten so easy now That we're not really doing anymore. They're not very bright. So you ask You ask them leading questions like that you can kind of see the wheels turning and they say like something like that which is It's a bit hold that thought Okay, Leon last question Which do you best relate to? bachelor frog socially awkward penguin or paranoid parrot I'm not sure. I know what all those three are but the the paranoid parrot Maybe maybe that one's the one for me because I'm good at repeating stuff and yeah Actually the longer I've been in this business the more a paranoid have become every day Lamer All right, now we're going to do the final vote. Okay Contestant number one Contestant number two All right, you're eliminated contestant number three. See ya Contestant number four. I think we have a winner contestant number four So if you'd step right up here, sir, we've got a couple prizes for you. We have the Lamer t-shirt We have a Cybercrime Response team t-shirt Folks have gifts for you view it You know the last time we had an Air Force hookup the girl slipped in the picture Hey, you're missing out on it. You got some good stuff. I don't the best one This is a etched Old-fashioned drinking glass You can drink beer in it, but I'm hoping that you're mature enough now to start drinking whiskey And the beauty of this cup is that it's from NSA, so you'll never lose it Enjoy it in good health We also have a a paid vacation for you And have a nice fucking life Thanks, Brice Now what we're gonna do is we're just we're gonna the panel's gonna introduce themselves to you and talk a little bit about what they do And then we're gonna open it up to you folks for questions So the microphone's up here if you want to start lining up for questions David My name is David McCallum and I do a television program called NC is And I am Extremely fortunate. I just signed a new contract in a couple of years from now I shall be heading for my 80th birthday, so When I hear I think I'm used to jeans as much as anything and the care that my good wife Catherine here takes of me But what is fascinating about my life is that whenever you act and they do a job You get a script you get a part and you learn the lines you go along you do it But when it came to this particular show, I had never heard of NC is and I had never I knew nothing about pathology So you're looking at someone who has spent ten years Very much involved with the real NC is we've just in back come back from Washington and been down there with them and Been working with the Marine Corps Scholarship Foundation, and it's a whole new life that I have as a result of the show and Additionally, which is the fascinating part for me. I have become obsessed with the world of pathology having done full autopsy with Chris Rogers in in Mission Street in California and witnessed many many autopsies and Also, I've worked with commander Malik who's now captain Malik the chief Pathologist of the armed forces Institute of Pathology So my life is now divided into my life as an actor and my life as a crazy actor who just loves to do all this other stuff and I have been exceptionally fortunate in doing that and it gives me great pleasure to be here just to give something back From how much has been given to me. Thank you My name is Andrew free. This is I think by 14th Def Con Retired been a long time. I was much younger back then I'm retired internal revenue service slash Treasury and It's TSA you're supposed to hate not IRS We hate those some pages to IRS never approached you with rubber gloves on saying bend over What a shitty thing to do anyway Since I've retired I have a company called D tech those of you that are interested in Online sinkholes and research. I have a talk at five o'clock with Paul Vixie where we're gonna talk a little bit about what we did with the DNS changer stop pretty much now since I'm retired I don't have to worry about most laws or at least not the unimportant ones So I'm pretty much out an online vigilante looking doing a lot of research for Span trap passive DNS and some other other stuff My name is Leon Carol and I am a retired NCIS agent and I currently work on the TV show NCIS And I'm from Chicago, Illinois I'm a six year was a six year Marine officer and then 23 years in the real NCIS and there are a few NCIS agents out here in the audience pick out the Fed and My job on the show is to wave the bullshit flag I Get to read all the scripts that come in 212 and 213 now over nine seasons and Thank goodness. I don't get to wave the flag too often, but they do listen to me when I do I know nothing about computers my wife Jackie sitting down taking pictures right now Does all my computer work and thank God for that Hi, I'm John. I don't see I'd like to first thank Jim Christie priests and the rest of the Defconn sponsors Jeff Mosfer Giving us this opportunity to come here. I work at white canvas group. We sponsored the speaker party on the rooftop of the Rio I hope some people were able to make it. I Spend most of my time in the military in the SEAL teams Unfortunately, I tried to catch a bullet in 2007 which I don't advise I Still won, but it was a it was a long process In the meantime, I kind of switched gears and began doing a lot of different Digital operations both for the special operations forces and for other government agencies Make no mistake about it If if the government and or units that we work with Is out to find you they will it's not a question of Do you think it might happen? It's a question of it will happen and how much time and resources so We have some of the world's greatest and talented not just programmers, but creative minds I think at the end of the day Creative minds can be used both for military purposes, but also humanitarian for purposes education and Just making the world a better place so fortunate to be here and look forward to your questions My name is Justin whites. I currently work at the national white collar crime Center We are actually a nonprofit organization that's actually paid for mostly by government grants We have some grants from the DOJ and internet crimes against children task force My primary job is a Instructor and trainer I go ahead and I travel all across the country and we teach the state and local law enforcement Try to give them the basics and computer forensics Mostly a lot of the stuff I've done now has been focused more on the cell phones Which is fine, but I miss the computer stuff I don't get to do it very much and the downside with being an instructor is you end up spending so much time teaching the basic stuff You start to forget all the cool crap you learned Which is why I've been coming to Def Con for the last few years to at least remind myself that you know I don't have to just remind everybody what a zero and a one is Before that I was in the army for five years as a counterintelligence agent That's the only time I actually had any kind of investigative authority at all and because the army is the army I only actually spent about two years doing the actual counterintelligence stuff Which is where I learned all the computer forensics well beginning of my computer forensic stuff before that You know if you have the word intelligence anywhere in your job description. That's what they thought you did So in Korea I handed out security clearances in Iraq.  I Think that's about it next Good afternoon, my name is Riley Repco, and I also like to thank Jim and all the staff here at Def Con I recently left the Department of the Air Force the operations side of the house I got brought in from the private sector So when people asked me what it was like working at the Pentagon I usually tell them what an opportunity to serve at some of the finest 18th century minds around My focus is all about leveraging you all the wizards what I did for the vice chief Was to build a bridge Between the seeker us that have a requirement and the solver all of you out there sounds trivial But when you deal with a lot of parochial silos gets pretty challenging, but I left government I'm now at Virginia Tech as a research fellow, and I'm also building that box So I'm all about again connecting and delighted to be here and thank you very much Hi, I'm rich Marshall, and I want to be Jim when I grow up that guy's just absolutely phenomenal And there's some serious questions as whether I ever will I've had a checkered past I'm the only lawyer on the panel. I Specialized an information warfare law so that makes me kind of a unique individual in some people's minds How many of you've heard of eligible receiver 97? You know the scary thing is the number of hands that come up when I asked that question at DEF CON Get smaller every year, and it shouldn't Every one of you need to go back and Google eligible receiver 97 and here's why I Was a legal architect and led the red team for eligible receiver 97 And the issue was the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff at that time Did not think information warfare was real it was only a laboratory experiment and the idea of moving ones and zeros across the world to do good and bad was just not intellectually or electronically possible So they wanted to have an exercise to demonstrate that it was Okay We downloaded techniques from the internet Study them very carefully in the laboratory so that we would not have any unexpected Consequences and we use those techniques many of which had been developed by DEF CON graduates Vulnerability researchers, I hate the word hackers I always encourage people to use the word vulnerability researchers because that's really what you're doing We use those techniques and brought down a war fighting sink in a matter of hours now We had to do an awful lot of reconnaissance ahead of time The importance of that exercise was that it demonstrated to the senior military leadership in our government and to our top political Leadership Bill Clinton at the time that information warfare was real Computer security needed to have a top spot at the managed senior management level Now my transition point how many of you are CEOs out here? Yeah, not that many but a few Go back and tell your CEO how important it is to have computer security to protect the intellectual property To protect your business operations Most of the time when you use the word security, they think of guns gates guards and money that they never recovered They don't get a return on investment But if the CEO does not do his job or her job correctly in terms of protecting their assets They will get an ROI It's called risk of indictment rather than return on investment So that's message number one Message number two, and I'm very very proud of this as I encouraged an Air Force colleague of mine who led a very special Air Force team to come out to DEF CON Wear his uniform get on a panel and recruit from the audience He did he's now at Microsoft, but his legacy lives of the 67 people he recruited over two years at DEF CON Over three-fourths of them are still working for the Air Force now. They have tongue studs and earrings So they're civilians, but they're making a contribution And just as my former boss said yesterday, I retired from NSA in December after having been there for a number of years What you are doing is critically important The message that the press needs to put out is that you are making a valuable contribution to our economy and To our way of life and this is not a nationalistic sentiment This is a worldwide issue We're all over the world with this and we all need to work together to address this problem Third point and then I'll shut up Cyber education Stam education science technology engineering and math does not get enough attention in this country We provide sports scholarships for people who go into the professional sports and have a shelf life of five or seven years I think we'd get a better return on our investment if we do scholarships for people in stem At our major universities and colleges over half of the of the postgraduate the master's degree and PhD students are Not us citizens They graduate and under our current immigration policies. They have to go home They go home and create jobs and develop technology that we intern I I call that reverse colonialism I'm a strong advocate of stapling a green card to every one of their diplomas to keep them here Okay I'm Jim Christie Are you done yet down there? I'm with the Department of Defense Cyber Crime Center and talk a little bit about what they do We have the world's largest accredited digital forensics lab We have over a hundred digital forensic examiners We're accredited by the American Society of Crime Lab Directors Laboratory accreditation board asclat lab. That's hard to say We have a training academy and we train all the criminal and counterintelligence Investigators in the Department of Defense on how to do how to conduct a cyber crime investigation and how to do digital forensics and then there's other portions of DC3 but one of the to piggyback off what rich was just talking about them about stem We get folks coming to DC3 to be digital forensic examiners and they may have a degree In digital forensics and they can't meet our standards So what we've done is we've created a stem program called The Center for Digital Forensics academic excellence and we are partnering with multiple two and four year and graduate level universities to create standards for digital forensics and Certify not only the program of the school, but also certify the individual students so that We can produce Quality folks out there, and you're not buying a pig in a poke either as a private sector or a law enforcement agency A lot of you I've seen several of you have come up and talked to me this past week on our challenge We run the DC3 digital forensics challenge. We have about 900 teams from 51 countries currently participating I would I would encourage you to go to our website DC3 mill check out our challenge and And if you have kids Since since all of you have grown up here over the last 20 years and have kids now Get your kids involved in digital forensics force because we really need Quality people coming through Another thing that we have going for Defconn kids Where we've we brought in our team from DC3 brought in three digital crime scenes So Nico did a terrific job with the hotel and we have three suites upstairs And we have a digital crime scene each one and so the kids the Defconn kids are being scheduled And they have a half hour to do a search of these crime scenes So if you're interested and you have kids that are here, you know, please sign up for that one of the other things We have is an online an assessment on Digital forensics and cyber crime investigations that's called CSI cyber you go to our website and and we'll give you a link So with that what we're going to do is now open it up to questions and you're up first Actually, I had two questions, but if you're one I know but since you just signed your contract that I know I think duck duck He's gonna live I have seven grandchildren and they all need educating Here's my question You know how this is long ago before we actually had networking communities used to Try to do things to save the community such as like in Mekinos. They've changed their streets around so that the pirates couldn't attack them And now that we're in networking It seems as though, you know the army and all the other organizations they have their own farce each do them controls that and Like just recently about a year ago one of the army bases got hacked into and it made the news But anyway, this the the new thing that's going on is they want to take all these forests and collapse them down to one Big forest and when I look at this I just see it's a better way to get into everything And I wanted to know what your opinion was regarding collapsing the forests. I Don't see much security. No, I I personally think That building one single castle is a bad idea. I think it's bad strategy I think the future of security is a decentralized dispersed and otherwise at times Seemingly innocent-looking colonies of data. I think if we centralize we Look forward to and welcome extinction because we just kind of it's bad planning Thank you. I'd like to add to your point. I think your observations spot on this domain is man-made Okay, that means the preponderance of intellectual capital resides out there folks like yourself the various ecosystems globally We need to figure out as a means in which we are able to Grasp into those various communities in real time. Okay, so I think you're spot-on. I mean we talk about the mix Okay, the challenge here is the mix is made up of people like yourselves the patriots the wizards, etc That have insight and knowledge that we need to leverage the key is how do we do that? So I think you make a really good point Let me just kind of add up on observation Lawyers are peculiar in the way they think they think about analogies and When we look at the internet today and what it does in terms of information sharing and communication I looked back and I wasn't present at the time But I compare it in many respects to the Roman roads that were used for logistical purposes and Communication purposes that went from Rome all the way up to the Hadrian wall and just south of the border of Scotland I also look at the Silk Road The Silk Road was not a paved path It was a series of points and you had to know who to talk to to get from A to B to C to D and E Etc. Etc. And I'm drawing all of this from Marco Polo's autobiography The Silk Road was security by obscurity it worked The Roman roads was an open system and as long as the Romans Had collaboration with their neighbors to protect that pathway. They were safe But when they did not work together to keep that protected than the Goths the Vandals and the other gangs From us Europe came down and massive disruption of Rome and I realized that's a very strong simplification But as we move through this domain As my colleague mentioned we need to work in a collaborative way To help keep it safe and secure and useful for all of us Thanks expression Microphone because I could hardly hear her questions. All right, sir Yeah, I'm an investigator down at Fort Hood and I was wondering if to the other investigative agencies if you all are seeing prevalence or rise in incident in child pornography and if so is that because of the Utilization or is that just because of the thoroughness in your investigative techniques? I'll take a stab at that. I think that child pornography is probably the number one cyber crime everywhere in the world I think the Computers Enable that the technology enables the crime, you know way back in the old days, you know 20 years ago If you wanted to do child pornography you had to have your own photo lab You couldn't send it to write aid for development, you know So you had to produce it yourself and then distribute it by mail So us customs and us postal service were the ones that were involved in the interdiction of child pornography Today there is not a single person in this room that doesn't have the ability to produce and distribute world-wide child pornography and Unfortunately, it is a plague that that every law enforcement agency in the world has to deal with So Anything we can do to put these guys away, you know, if you see something say something notify the cops, you know We you know, but it is a plague Actually, let me add that the laws against child pornography Actually make it much more prevalent in some ways and that sounds like a stupid thing to say But the reality is that if you have possession of any kind of pictures You're subject to arrest The problem is that there was no real exemptions given other than for the center for missing exploited children So if somebody complains with ISP that they've come across an email that points them to a pornographic site The ISP is not going to go to that site to see because the mere clicking of that link puts the copy of their machine and Would subject them to arrest in reality? What happens is there's an awful lot of private Trust groups, I guess for lack of better term that operate on the internet to constantly feed Different people including federal agencies and other government agencies information and even in those groups They will not click on links if somebody suspects Child porn in one case I have a spam trap set up that I get about 10 to 15 Million emails a day on and I have all sorts of reg X's and Juristics that I use to look for stuff I will not look for child porn because I am not going to click on it and find out whoops it is So unfortunately the way they've done the law is made it much more difficult to detect because nobody wants to check to see if It's there kind of like a catch 22 Sometimes we get leads from ice so they'll say hey sorry what sometimes we will get leads from ice They'll come and say hey we in this area. We have these Individuals and then we'll do a joint Well, there's a lot of child pornography out there There's some fake child pornography, but it's been a problem It will continue to be a problem and it's made it's Exasperated by the fact that the people that are out there that are monitoring for things Will refuse to even look for to try and refer it to other people? Good afternoon. Thank you for coming about 13 years ago I worked for a software company that provided a Database that tracked gang members in California, and this was a non prosecutorial Database meaning you couldn't use it in a prosecution against somebody, but you could use it to Track somebody or investigate somebody and these databases are growing and growing and you know It's gangs or it's this or it's that and it's more guilty till proven innocent My question is what are your thoughts on this and is it valuable to you as officers? Or do you see it as an invasion of privacy? Be honest, it's all right It's tough because if you look at this and you think about this think about it in your mind when you answer the question These are 13 year old kids. Most of them are minorities who are in this database and they've done nothing wrong, right? So I haven't been out of the system for about 10 years I can tell you going back and being in LA which at that time was probably one of the They were the largest gang gang activity in the world The databases do help the officers on the street do get that information But you're right sometimes innocent young kids get caught up in that because of their Association so it becomes guilt by association, but I think long term. It's good to have bases We just have to be careful that we don't Give that moniker to young kids they carry on with them later in life Thank you First of all, thank you all gentlemen for taking the time to be here today and speak with us Hopefully next year maybe some lady feds as well as we have more girls in the other on the next panel Bricks, I'll be here to see them as well So I'll keep a question short and sweet mostly too rich from the NSA But I'm happy to hear all of your Experienced thoughts about this you mentioned that eligible receiver you spent a lot of time doing reconnaissance There was also a DARPA research about red team activity back from the 90s That showed that 80% of their time or the attackers time was spent on reconnaissance and intelligence gathering about the attack Not just the the actual attack time was 5% of the whole thing Do you think in this day and age is that still relevant or as the exposed electronic? Attack surface made the whole reconnaissance and intelligence gathering stages much easier for the attackers. Thank you Wow Things have changed a lot, you know the the understanding level Has changed significantly in terms of that issue. Let me give you an example a year after we did conduct of the exercise We were given permission to brief the National Security Law Division of the American Bar Association in Washington, DC and It took place the day after Galaxy 4 went off station now satellites as you know are Geo-synchronous, but they kind of wobble around like a bumblebee coming in for a landing. They just don't stay stuck The satellite got off track just a bit and so for that particular afternoon and evening No one could use their credit cards Because the credit card information was Bounced off the satellite to a processing center in St. Louis at that particular time You cannot also use what we call pagers and you'll have to probably google that I heard about those yeah museum maybe yeah So I'm giving the president you just before giving the presentation, you know You do the socialization bit with these senior lawyers and everyone was complaining about the fact that they couldn't use their credit card the night before and NPR which is always accurate with the news as you know Commented that the satellite had gone off site and that was the problem The general counsel for the company that owned galaxy was there and he said and listen carefully to what I'm going to tell you He said It did not happen. It was not galaxy's fault because if there'd been an issue he would have been paged We don't have that issue today You know people are becoming more and more educated Whether they buy a merchant associated with the internet and computers and I think that's a good thing I think that's a good thing It does open the door to a broader attack service But because we're smarter We should be able to handle that We should always be ahead of the bad guys and girls because we're smarter and I truly believe that and I hope that answers your question. I have a hard time hearing sometimes. I'm an old guy So I hope I answered your question correctly Well, partially, but I'm gonna let these guys ask their questions too. So thanks a lot and Yeah, could you speak up really that because we really are having trouble understanding the questions up here Acceptable. Yes. Thank you. So Generally federal agencies are staffed by well-intentioned individuals and so I was wondering to what extent Programs that this audience finds alarming are Considered problems within those agencies and if so what actions are taken to fix them? Well, we didn't track anybody at the IRS I couldn't answer that Let me let me let me answer that with a somewhat political answer and I'm not a politically correct person by any means but In the federal government anytime you You store data it becomes what's referred to as a system of records And in order to develop that system of records you have to get approvals like way up the chain So ad hoc databases of that kind of information whether it be Personal information or gang information or whatever never will exist in the federal government at least in the civilian side Without system records being advertised, you know publicly So the data that is stored is generally clear data It's published what it's used for how it's to be used and who has it where it's stored So you don't have these under the table ad hoc type databases sitting around and in order to general or to justify Any system records you have to talk to people up upstream of you and justify You know, how long you're gonna have the data how you're gonna purge the data Who's gonna have access to the data what kind of foyer request could be answers from the data and whether or not it's it's Gonna be permitted for any kind of like prosecution type stuff, so it just doesn't happen out of the clear blue sky and How about I don't I didn't work for DHS like you know, that's not that's an old chart, so that's a problem there With regard to your comment if you look at the military agencies, this is something as a retired military officer myself I mean, we've got the best World-class best fighting force in a free world We're so regimented think about that so regimented and therefore predictable That my challenge there that could be our nemesis especially within the cyber domain Riley I'd like to jump in on that one of the biggest areas that really shook the bureaucracy and and really rattled the Lattice work of plumbing and inside the bureaucracy with regards to data was the Arab Spring in social media There's this continued ongoing debates about Facebook and Twitter and what is public and what is private? What does this all mean at the end of the day though? You take in an online environment like YouTube that is in many cases Changing people's lives whether you're a potato farmer in soy Kenya That's able to find out that sprinkling ash on your crops saves you and your family money in lives Or you're using YouTube to learn about America or some other country or etc. So where does the social media? data fit into the existing lexicon and I'll tell you the government Just by nature defaults to we need to really look at this for the purposes of privacy That is the number one gateway discussion before any of this is taken into consideration. So right now I would say there's a there's a Continuing discussion and I haven't seen any verifiable resolve unless you guys have Where how do they fit this into the framework of of government data of for the good of saving people for for the good of? understanding there's a disaster or some of the other nefarious objectives, so it is it is something that is forever changing and And it's the nature of the bureaucracy to default on the side of protecting the people's privacy Let me also add that all of the really good data isn't being stored by the government Maybe with that with the exception of I to say because I don't know what they have But when it comes to a lot of the information that's on the internet There are private companies that make their living getting collating collecting and analyzing that data and It's very easy for somebody like when I was an investigator if I had a problem I could send the note out to a certain mailing list and say hey Does anybody have any information on this IP address and I'd have 20 investigators or researchers coming back Saying well on so-and-so date. We saw that address, you know accessing toward and we saw this address being used to Spend out cut whale mail and everything else probably one of the funniest stories I had to tell is that Very very early on IRS was one of the very first government agencies to actually get targeted by fishing sites fishing schemes and We had one that was in Japan. I just couldn't call anybody and get it taken down So I put a note out on one of these security lists that I was on one of these secret squirrel type lists that you know Only people that know each other get on to and I said I'm having a problem with this ISP in Japan You know does anybody have the ability to take this site down? Now I got a note back about five minutes later. It says hey, I had no problem. I took it down So I wrote back to him and said you know any chance you give me the logs of that I really like to see you know where the FTP logs were sent up To see maybe where we can track back the fishing site the actual source and he wrote back about 20 minutes later I said yeah, no problem. Here's the logs. Here's the data. Let me know if you do anything else And I wrote back. I said thanks. Are you the system administrator guy wrote back and just said no Let me add I know nothing Let me add one brief twist to your question I share your fear about those who collect information But I don't fear the government. I fear the private sector There is so much oversight Properly so on the government and in the United States. You're protected. You've got constitutional protections and People who violate that in the government are punished You do not have that constitutional protection from the private sector and I'm not going to mention any of their names Other than the ones I've mentioned already There are the ones you have to watch for there's something I learned very early in my career anytime the government tells you You should do this because it's good for you. They're lying. I personally trust the government less I do private industry having been there for 20 years Okay on that note You


what's going on guys welcome back to another video you guys are new to the channel make sure you guys hit that subscribe button real quick today's video is gonna get a little juicy little informative it's been a minute it has been a minute we haven't done a Q&A in a long time she has a couple questions I got a couple questions who want to go first um you could go first I go first yeah alright so we're gonna start off pretty I don't know if a lot of y'all noticed this but some of y'all did and I was waiting for you guys to say something about it you guys deleted a lot of your spicy content why and can you re-upload it oh wow that was a good one um so do you want answers or you want me to answer okay so basically we had a lot of like spicy content up on our channel and they did great as far as like you guys liking it and all that however YouTube was not a fan of that so we basically got a I'm gonna call it a notification from YouTube or email whatever and they said yo you guys got to take this down or you guys aren't gonna be getting paid from us so we had to clean up our whole channel and yeah that's why you guys no longer see that spicy content that was once there yeah they were threatening to remove our whole channel like it wasn't like not only about not getting paid they were just gonna delete our channel completely yeah I personally don't think it's fair because I know a lot of people who still do spicy content and they allow it so I was people that do a lot worse yeah full-on crazy stuff and somehow they get away with it I feel like YouTube doesn't like us low key I'm being straight up like if you want my answer questions I'm being straight up like I really don't feel like they like us and they pick and choose creators that they like and they don't like oh you're really saying how you feel it is what it is like honestly like we're just trying our best to like put out content that everybody loves and that's really all that matters trying to keep it clean we're trying to keep it clean yeah we got other things going on to behind the scenes and all that but we we try to keep it clean so YouTube doesn't have a hundred percent of our time anymore like it used to but yeah that's what happened with the whole spicy content situation and why it got deleted when are you guys planning on buying a house so do you want to talk about what happened back in March or not I mean I don't even know how to like all right so basically back in March we were supposed to close on a house and certain things came up and we basically had to back out of the contract but we were so so freaking close on closing on a house and God was just like yo it's just not the right time right now so on and so forth but we do plan on buying a house sometime hopefully this year if not definitely it has to be done next year because this is something that we've been this has been one of our like biggest goals to accomplish literally that's like all that we're really focused on well me personally but I just want to have a home and then everything else will follow but I just feel like that's my main priority right now we're trying to make big people decisions yeah when is your next trip out the country so our trip out the country was supposed to be back on my birthday unfortunately she got really sick and we had to cancel that we were supposed to go to Costa Rica couldn't do it though but as far as when's the next time we're going out of the country there's really no telling I feel right now when's our next time as of right now it's in December oh yeah yeah true true um we can't talk about that one you know not yet but it'll be fun you guys will have a lot of fun I think watching that content but there's gonna be a lot of content with that type of stuff but as far as right now we know where we want to go there's a bunch of places we want to go but we just I don't know we have to plan that stuff out like I said we're trying to make big people decisions yeah handle some other important stuff first yes so vacation right now isn't my huge priority but it's something that we obviously still want to do if I was forced to trade in my m3 what car would I pick and why yikes so I would probably I really would never want to trade in or sell my m3 that's my dream car since I was in high school however if it has to be done it has to be done but I think I would trade it in for a Porsche I know you do GC3 hours I wanted a McLaren but now everybody and a grandma they got a damn McLaren literally now I don't want to look like I still want to learn don't get me wrong I'll say take I would still take one but I think I would take a Porsche either GT2 RS GT or GT3 RS they're just race cars man just there's nothing else to say look look it up they're just fire but you get this all the time especially me when am I proposing and when are we having a baby we get this question like 20 times a day I will never tell you guys when I'm going to propose okay that is a secret that only to this day only one or two people may know when it's gonna happen and that's all I'm saying all right you guys will never know you guys are just gonna see one day a video is gonna go up and it's gonna be like the proposal Janice and I said proposal boom it's up that's when you guys are gonna find out as far as when we're having a baby I don't know man we I think you have a question about that so I think we'll skirt into that topic when you get to that question but I think that was all I have all right so onto my questions do you feel left out that you're not pregnant or have a baby like your friends I guess we got right into it so honestly to answer your question no I don't feel left out I just don't feel like it's something to feel left out for you know what I mean however I do feel the pressure because like I want my kids obviously to have friends their age and all of my friends already have are having babies so it kind of tells me like time is ticking but we're only 25 yeah like we have a long time and another thing is it's not about just you guys feel left out a baby shouldn't be made and where to fit in you know what I mean like a baby should be a thing that just happens and that's it no we don't feel left out it's just not our time right now yeah when will our time be it might be tonight I wouldn't be able to I just feel like right now since everyone is having babies it's become like pressure for people who don't have kids that are like okay this is the content that you guys love to see you guys love to see family content but you have to also realize that this is real life and we personally like I feel like there's a lot of things I would like to do before having kids and like other people have lived their life to the fullest even though we're like older younger than them or whatever like everybody has different paths in life and there are things that I would like to accomplish prior to you know dedicating my whole life to a child yeah that's pretty much it on that I do want to have kids I would love to have kids now but I just feel like things aren't in order and I want my child to have the best we still got things to do before we want to have a kid if it happens it happens great but we're not gonna especially we're not gonna have a kid just to make content you know we're not gonna do that just to give you guys videos of family stuff we're not doing that if it's gonna happen it's gonna happen naturally and that's the way it's gonna be list your three favorite things about each other all right you want to go first for me you go first favorite three things about you does it have to be looks or just overall overall overall okay I like how you're very like nurturing like you're very like caring I like that a lot because I'm not gonna lie in any guy who says he doesn't like it he's lying guys like to be baby don't act like you don't know you like when your girl is like pampering you and stuff like that don't act like you don't because you're lying so I like that you're like that I like how your style is different from everybody else like the way you dress your aesthetic is just completely different compared to everybody else and then my last one would probably be your smile you have a really so why are you gonna cover your mouth when I just said you have a smile you have a very nice smile I like seeing you smile thank you babe so I would say off the top of the head those are three things that I really like okay so three things I really like about Isaiah is that it's not hard I feel like you're very patient with me not with you yeah I have a lot of patience yeah like I can be a lot like I take really long doing things like I'm kind of stupid sometimes not stupid but like I'm clumsy as hell or like I don't consider like time in my brain doesn't exist and I feel like a lot of stuff we have to do is I'm a time crunch so like I feel like he's very patient with that another thing I like is that I said this before but it's true like I love how you take care of your family like interest thing like you always put like your family first and like you always make sure that they're good no matter what and I just feel like once we have our own family that's something very important because you make the people you love your priority and physically for the last one I love your freckles oh my god and nobody notices his freckles but yes they can't tell like on camera if you guys saw me in person I have dirt spots no they're cute freckles I guess thanks babe he gets it from his mom his mom has a scene heavy same freckles so cute if you weren't doing YouTube what would you be doing and I don't know why I've been thinking about this a lot lately if I weren't doing YouTube I would love to be in like the investment world like stock trading currency trading like that type of thing if not that probably something to do with cars but the investment thing is more there's more money in that personally I'm a go-getter so whatever makes a lot of money I'm gonna go for it but would you be happy with the investment so I personally would be but yeah like I was saying the things that I would love to do the most is top one be a tattoo artist free tats my tattoo artist has been like wanting me to go in to train to do tattoos but we're so dedicated to social media that I won't have time for both I would love to be a tattoo artist but it's just not the cards for me right now and if I weren't doing that I would go to school to be in ultrasound technician or an aesthetic nurse but that's a lot of school so that is a lot of school yeah but I just think about like low-key as jobs and I would love that like just do something low-key don't have to use social media nobody knows why I am it's a lot to not have that that pressure but yeah things I think about obviously when are you doing a house tour we gave you guys a house tour no we didn't yeah we did it was just it just wasn't furnished I know so I mean you guys got the house tour if you guys want a furnished house tour I guess we could give you one as soon as we finish our project upstairs yeah we're working on stuff right now so like it takes it's taking us forever to like get our shit together when it comes to furniture but like I'm a professionalist and I need everything to be literally exactly how I envision it there's something fire something fires going on upstairs and you guys are gonna see it when it's done it's gonna be crazy I was so excited this was for me actually is Janice gonna pursue her music career question all the time what's crazy is it I'm gonna say this you already have a couple of songs not 100% done but you know they're recorded it's just the fact of you making a little bit more and then putting some project out yeah I think I think that I'm my biggest enemy honestly because again like I said I'm a perfectionist so it's like if it's not perfect then it's not going out I have been more lately than ever like wanting to dedicate myself to my music and I've been working on it but it'll come out hopefully soon her words not mine that's all I have to say on that would you guys switch up content instead of doing pranks we would however we feel like the one of the very few things that is being put out right now is family content and at the moment obviously we are not family we don't have a kid and like I said we're not gonna make a kid just to put out content right but as far as that I mean is there anything else that you guys want to see like any type of challenges or anything any ideas you guys got drop them down below and then we'll look at them and we'll figure something out but you know we're kind of just going with the flow literally and honestly it's kind of sucks to see when people are like messaging us saying that our content isn't up to par our content sucks or we're not putting in effort we're just having fun with it like we are we're trying to have fun and we also like everyone's doing family content like you can't expect us to do what everyone else is doing and change our life and our routine but at the same time it's like there's things that we enjoy like doing food content I love doing food reviews so if you like that let us know but yeah just let us know what else you want to see but besides having kids right now because it's just not happening at the moment last question is for you babe how's Isaiah's pinky bro alright so backstory real quick if you guys don't know about maybe I would say a month ago your boy was carrying a scooter that folds in half an electric scooter I'm carrying it while it's folded and somehow it just unsnapped and my finger happened to be in the part where it snaps together in place and it was really bad really painful I was leaking all over the place and yeah I thought I broke it I didn't I don't know if you guys can tell it is still black and blue it works fine alright so I mean it's just ugly but it's good like you know I can squeeze I can pull I can punch it it works it's cool it's functional so that's all the questions that we have we hope that we answered enough questions for you guys don't worry we will have kids eventually God willing so yeah guys that is our updated Q&A again if you guys need any other questions answer drop them down below maybe we'll do a part two sometime soon but what all that means that you don't think I'm supposed to know that's it alright guys so we'll see you in the next video


This is Chris Pipe. My friends call me Big C. I'm back in action today. I'm back in the saddle on Freedom Central. It's been a while. Did you miss me? Well guys, here's the thing. I've been talking to George recently and he's been filling me in on all the amazing things that are coming with the new heartbeat tool and I'm talking analytics studios, monetization that's in the works, you know, taking snaps of your favorite moments on all of your own YouTube videos or other people's videos that you enjoy. There's just a ton of stuff going on there. A great tool and I want to go ahead and create videos for Freedom Central featuring some of the best heartbeats or the heartbeat moments part of me that I found across the internet as well as some of my own heartbeats. I would like to feature some of your heartbeats. If you use the tool and you've got some videos and you've gone ahead and downloaded it and of course you can just click to George's little video here where he shows you how to do it. Just download, install it, create some heartbeats. I love to feature your content too. So yes, I'm happy to be back. I'm in the saddle. Let's roll today. The first video I want to show you or the first heartbeat moments that I want to talk about is the new League of Legends cinematic called Still Here. It's awesome. It's got lore in it. It's got. All right. So like I said, I'm going to go over the new Still Here Season 2024 cinematic featuring music by Forts, Tiffany Aris and to W.E.I. And if I said that wrong, I apologize. I'll say it up front here. I'm not very knowledgeable about League of Legends lore and all that, but I play the game a little bit and I love to watch the, you know, the big season finals and all that kind of stuff. So here we go. Now I've identified in this one, I've got about 12 moments and here we go. So I'm on heartbeat.love and I'm inside the video and watch this. It's just as simple as this. I'm going to click on the first one. You'll see it says Tryndamere CG drone shot as a cinematographer. I really enjoyed this. Check this out. Bang. Top-down CG. Beautiful. This is a incredible shot. I skip forward a little bit here. You'll see here Tryndamere genuine emotion.  If you want to watch it again, you just click on it.  Like this is probably the best cinematic I've ever seen and I've seen some really good ones. Riot does some really good ones. And I guess Active Vision Blizzard used to do really good ones. I don't know if they still do. Let's move forward here to 57 seconds. I'll show you another one here that I really like, Ludacris Cam. It's called Move, Be Word, Get Out the Way. What could this be? And bang. Thrown into the ground. I bet they wish they had full self-drive or that Tesla full service driving, but no luck. But there we go. Got atrox jumping, smashing into the ground. How cool is that? Morgana and we've got Kale even before they were like really who they became. Look at that. They've got the armor on. It's just really, really cool stuff. Let's go forward a little four here. I've got one that says atrox is bound. It's another moment I like. You can see here that Morgana has bound atrox with her purple CC. So atrox will be, you know, CC'd for the next 45 seconds like in the game. And just, I mean, look how good this is. And I mean, there's more here. I mean, let's look here. Kale looking up to the heavens. Really enjoyed this shot here. Click it on the moment. Bang. Here she comes. She comes forward. She looks up to heaven and boom. Fire. I mean, so good. There's so many good shots here. Now, if I wanted to show you another thing here, I also heartbeated the video by Necret. Now, Necret, he makes a 29 minute video about a four minute cinematic. So let that in.  This guy knows all the lore and he has an amazing opinions on things that is just like it's backed by lore and it's just awesome. Here's a couple of moments that I found. Let's go here. Let's click on this one. Still here. Fully Canon. So if you listen to him there, it says this is the first league cinematic that is fully Canon. Enjoy that moment. Maybe I'll jump forward a little bit here. Tomorrow is a hope, never a promise. Click on that. You can hear a quote. Tomorrow is a hope, never a promise. All right. That's a pretty cool thing. That's a big part of the song. So there we go. I like that. And then here's a cool one with Tryndamere getting defeated in battle. There he is. There we go. We got him down. And then here's Tryndamere's famous helmet. Fallen off. You can actually see it here. And there you go. You can see the helmet's fallen off. And I mean, you can see here what kind of fun I'm having here. But this is how you go ahead and just flip through videos. And then finally, if you wanted to do the same thing as me, you just go ahead and get the Chrome extension. Link is in the description below. And then I would just hit play here.  I would just press H. Moment is created. I click up here and you'll see here. I've created a moment. I just rename it. I would call this Morgana purple eyes. I don't know. And you can just have fun here. And then bang, that's it. I'll just save it. And that moment is added in there. So that's me. This is my first video. Glad to be back on freedom. I got a ton more stuff, ton more heartbeats coming up. Leave a comment. Let me know if you were making heartbeats. I would love to feature your channel, feature your videos. And I'll also add you on Discord. Feel free to add me on Discord, my link and all that information is in the description. Thanks for watching.