First up is public comment. This is comment on anything that's not on the agenda. Hi, training is Robin Goodall on behalf of the library board, just giving to give the weekly update, the monthly update, I guess. We wanted, we wanted the board to be aware that the library has closed for, I mean, I suspect you all noticed that we have closed for in person, most in person interactions. All electronic actions, business is still happening. We are meeting as a board of trustees weekly with Amy to make sure that we are keeping people safe, both the employees and the public. And we have two employees that are comfortable being in the library, Amy being one of them. And so able to request materials and pick them up with outside pick up. Great. So, and there are lots of resources, the newsletter is sending out lots of resources and the Facebook page has lots of resources for community members that are at home, especially so that that are also doing homeless things. And Amy, if I missed anything, you can feel free to chime in there. Thanks, Robin. Okay. Does the board have any questions about the the way the library is proceeding through this very strange time? Sounds good. Good. Thank you. Take care, everybody. You too. Thanks, Robin. We had somebody else join me. Somebody else joined the call. I'm here, Larry. Okay. Got that, Shannon? Just helping Shannon. Yeah, thank you. Moving on to approval of the agenda. I'm sorry to interrupt. This did have a question. Okay. I wanted to get an update on the status of the climate solutions resolution letter that the select board is supposed to be sending to our state representatives. Trini, I could answer that. This is Adolfo John. The select board discussed the crafting of the letter two meetings ago. Unfortunately, with everything that's happened since then, I have not had a chance to draft it with just issues coming up. But the board has given me direction on what to include in the letter to then bring to the board for their approval before sending to our legislators. Do you think the select board wants any assistance in drafting that letter? If I need any, I'll certainly ask. I think too many cooks in the kitchen would delay the process. It's already been delayed for a while, so... Yeah, but we're also dealing with a global pandemic. And I don't mean to be rude, but there are other issues at hand. Oh, I understand. Hence my offer for providing assistance, understanding that you are busy with other issues. Okay. Do we have any other out there for public comment? Yeah, so this is Amy, and I'm here as a representative for the RANDA Area Mutual Aid Network. I just want to give a quick briefing about the purpose and goals of Raman. This is a community-wide network, I guess we could call it, that is working to maximize the services that each organization can offer to support people during the COVID outbreak, also to keep one another informed and to leverage the resources that we share to help support our communities. We serve Randoff, Braintree, Brookfield, and East Grandville residents. There are three teams at this point that are active. There's a communications team, a fundraising team, and a volunteer team. The communications team right now is working on saturating as much as we can the communities with opportunities to know what services are available to them. And one of the activities that we're working on right now is to put together an every-door direct mailing. A lot of Raman activities right now are conducted, the robust webpage, which I hope you've had a chance to look at, also postings on front porch forum and so on, but that does no good for folks who don't live in the digital world. We're working to get a literature into the hands of every resident so that they know that there are resources available to them if they have a need that needs and they need support. So the fundraising committee, I think that one is pretty self-explanatory. People will be making contributions to support their community members and they're working on a mechanism to make sure that folks are getting the help they need. And the volunteer committee, which is working to take in information from folks who have needs, everything from needing deliveries of groceries to help moving to with the organizations and volunteers who have the capacity to help. So that's what we're working on right now. Do you all have any questions? It's like a lot of coordination and collaboration. It is. And Linda Anderson with Capstone Community Action has been amazing with keeping us on track and bringing together the organizations and agencies that can really support the community at this point. So hats off to her. Absolutely. Amy, this is and everyone, this is Tom Ayres. I've been participating in the weekly Zoom meetings of the ramen group and can only second part. Amy has said they've been doing some great work. It's perhaps best for me to bring this up during the other business portion of the meeting, but the ramen group has asked for the the towns of Brookfield, Randolph, and Brain Park or founding members of this network. And I would recommend that for a consideration. All that would mean right now is that we would have a official representative, if you will, at the table when we meet each week to represent the three towns. So just put that out there for everyone's consideration. Also, and Josh has also been participating in the meetings as their time allowed. Seems like the town kind of was a founding member just wasn't official. We had a discussion among the founding members, especially the people on the communications team, which includes Amy and myself. Over the course of last day or two as to whether we should officially ask the town through their select boards to be sort of sponsoring members of a group. We didn't want to be so presumptuous as to say. In my capacity as the president-elect of the Randolph Rotary Club, which is one of the participating entities in this process. But the participation by Josh and Adolph and myself was never really formally in an official town capacity as I understand it. Would we deal with that under new business? We would. We'll just need to understand what founding member means. Like what is it? Are you looking for the town to be at the table to help with coordination efforts and whatnot? Or is there what's the ask? I think that would be part of the expectation right now. All of the participating organizations and I can I can list those later in the meeting if you want or I can list them now. There are 16 participating organizations, mostly made up of area churches, social, the Kimball Library, the two Rotary Club, and the Orange County Sheriff's Office, a whole handful of groups. And really, they're all just participating in the discussion to coordinate different activities. At some point further down the line, there may be a modest financial ask or contribution of some of these organizations, but that's that's something that could come further down the line. It's not an expectation of participation. Great. Do we have anything else under public comment? Hi, Trini. This is Heidi and like to give a brief report on our park. As you know, we closed down our park area, so the tennis courts remain to be closed. We have had a lot of high traffic activity as well in the park and the playground, as well as in the courts, basketball courts. So I have multiple signs up closed as well as the playground. And that goes along with all the parks and playgrounds across Vermont. And Monday, Sunday night, we had, or during the afternoon, a couple of kids broke into a shack behind the skate park and a skate park in the ice rink. They pulled out a few old ramps that were there. I found them on Monday and I had a move afternoon. The police had been notified and we talked to several of the kids and we are trying to educate them like we get that you're bored and there's not much to do, but breaking into a shack is not one of the things to do. So I'm for this group of bikers and kids in the park is getting bigger. But everything else is cleaned up on ice rink and all the programs have been suspended. Baseball right now is the only one that we have and that is not. We're waiting for guidance from the leagues and the governor and hopefully we'll have an answer by next week if the baseball season will take off or be canceled officially. So that's all from, oh and then we are still hoping for summer camps, so that's what we've been working on summer and getting that staffing kind of ready, but that's also all pending and hopefully we'll have better clear guidance within the next couple of weeks. So that's all from the record department. I would tell you wherever you are tomorrow at 11 o'clock to tune in to the governor's press conference. We'll do, yes. It'll be live on TV and it'll also be on Facebook on his things usually and CAX lots of times live streams it on their website. Yes and we've been, I've been meeting with via Zoom with all the Vermont Parks and Rec directors and we're trying to stay all on the same page and so it's been really great about summer and the pool. Great. Any questions for Heidi? Thank you. Any other public comment? Hearing none, approval of the agenda? I was going to ask if we could add under other business the Ramon and other town would be an official founding member. We already added that under new business. We did, okay. Yep. I'll second the approval of the agenda. Okay. All those in favor? Hi. Opposed? Who should carries? Consent calendar? This is meeting minutes and warrants. In your packet you should have the meeting minutes for both the 12th and the emergency meeting on the 24th. Aria moves that we approve the consent. All those in favor? Hi. Opposed? Carries, new business, the VTRANS mileage certificate? This is a an annual process with TRANS. They ask us to certify our highway mileage. The areas in your packet say document that included a background material to confirm that we have the necessary items that show that we are up to date with our highway network inventory. So if the board were to approve this, we just need a motion and we could use our minutes and wall signature as proof that the board confirmed as opposed to all five signatures. Any questions? Emotions? I move to certify the roads. I guess this is the roads, right? It is the roads. Town roads and bridge standards. Is that part of it? It would just be the highway certificate title of document. Yeah, certificate of compliance for town roads and bridge standards. Okay, I move to do that. Opposed in favor? Hi. Hi. Opposed? Do we have one opposing? No, no, it was a late aye. Next up is the water wastewater payment process. The Water Wastewater Committee met recently to discuss what options they have available to them to rate payers in the water district and the sewer district. Concluding that meeting, our finance director reviewed some of the material that the committee discussed and pulled together an action item sheet for the board to consider and the recommended motion is included. To add more information, this would essentially mimic what the board had previously done with tax payments instead of it being a three-month delay on tax liens or delinquent water and sewer bill penalties. It would only do it for 90 days because 90 days more closely resembles when bills are mailed out for water and sewer payments. Any questions on this? Have we got any feedback that this will be a problem or curious why the committee was discussing that? The there may be a requirement for being to place a ballot or an article on the ballot that asks rate payers for permission to retroactively approve this. That is a hold back. The challenge there is that the rate payers can say no and this year it would be roughly between three and five thousand dollars where the rate payers would have to then reimburse the town as a whole if the town voters were to decline this. This doesn't have anything to do with the town wide. This is just the water district. It would just be the water district for delaying of the penalties in the interest. We may still have to go to your right, Trina. We would have to have to go to the water district. That's right. Larry, when this was being discussed in committee, did they see any problem with that passing by the voters? No. The sense of the committee is that it was a good idea. We didn't have the authority as a committee to make this decision. We did talk about it and think that it would be pretty nice for at least a small group of people and thought it was worth doing. I think as it also points out, the amount of money involved is not so large that we really thought that no matter which way it would go, whether the district ultimately approves it or doesn't, it didn't seem to be a significant factor. When we do our bill for water and wastewater, are we going to be able to, if somebody's delinquent multiple quarters, will we be able to break out that this one quarter doesn't incur the additional fees or are we waiving it for their entire bill? That's one of the things we ran into with the property taxes. Yeah, I'd have to re-confirm with Cliff. My understanding was that it would be easy enough for us to break out this 90-day period for fees and interests, but I would have to double-check with Cliff. Any other questions? I remember correctly when we were looking at some of the issues with folks that hadn't paid, it was broken down by line item according to when the billings were made. Dolpho and Trini, this is Cliff. Hey, Cliff. On the billing system, Trini, can you repeat your question again? When we were looking at waiving the penalty for property taxes, it was going to be real challenging to break out for those that had delinquent taxes prior to the period we were looking at. My concern was that we didn't back you into a scenario where these people, somebody hadn't paid their prior invoice, and you had to try to decide how to break out the interest or penalties on just this span of time. I think we can do it because of the way the billing system works. Impose interest finances from a certain date back, and I believe the motion is written so that the board would be putting a similar 90-day moratorium on those bills so that it would be essentially one billing cycle. So if it's the cycle, just so we're clear with me given some of the questions we're going into with the property tax piece, if I didn't pay my last bill and I'm already collecting fees and penalties, is that amount that I owed before this billing cycle going to collect tax and fees during this period, or does the motion need to be done so that there's no tax and interest in penalties accrued during this 90-day period? No, we can continue to accrue interest on the old balances. Okay. That's what we did with taxes, right? That is correct, Larry. Pat. That's what I meant to say. Just want to make sure we give you the motion so that you can implement it easy. Yep. In all your spare time right now, out doing your photography this morning. That was done last night. That was not done this morning.  That's what I heard. There was a lot of emails going around this morning too, so. Well, by the time it got to me, we already had A&R on site, so multiple paths. Anyway, a different issue. I need just a few more. Okay, so any other questions on this? If not, we'll entertain a motion. I move that we use the suggested motion that it also has in our paperwork. I'll second that. Okay, we have a motion in the second. All those in favor? Hi. Hi. Opposed? Motion carries. Thanks, everyone. Thank you. Next, we have the proposal for swimming pool, sanding, and painting. A draft RFP that Heidi and I have reviewed and pulled together. It has a lot of detail in here that provided by Heidi on what is still needed at the swimming pool. And much of that has been discussed by the board in the past, and it's mostly just the sanding, taking away of the old paint, and resurfacing and applying new waterproof paint. And this is just approval to send the RFP out? Approval to send out the RFP, and then also we would need a motion to allow us to essentially use the $40,000 in the Recreation Equipment Reserve Fund. The bids would come back to the board if we have multiple bids. The challenges in Heidi is much more familiar with this because she's been dealing with the issue more directly. But the challenge is that there are very few people in our general area that could perform this work. So we may have to do a single source option at that point. The board wouldn't have to review the bid again, but we can bring it back. Absolutely. I'm here. Sorry. Do you have any questions on it? Well, I think even if you only have one bidder, it needs to come back to the board for approval. Just given the refresher course I've recently taken on our procurement policy. So what you're asking for right now is permission to send the RFP out, or RFPs should go out with language in it that allows us to not accept any of them. So I don't see any harm in sending the RFP out. Okay. Anybody have any questions on that or other thoughts? I might make a move to send out the RFP within the budget amount. I'll second that. The motion in the second. All those in favor? Aye. She carries. The culvert on the Beanville Road. This is a project that's been ongoing for a number of years.  We are still working or I'm still working with Two Rivers and V-Trans to craft more appropriate. And we're also hoping that the town won't have to pay for this project if funds are made available for infrastructure repair through federal bills. But for now, I would like to ask the board for permission to once this proposal is complete and has Two Rivers and V-Trans edits, that I'd be allowed to send it out. I could also delay sending it out and wait to see what federal legislation does. The reason I say the last part, the latter is because I learned today from V-Trans, our representative Chris Bump, that they would be more than willing to extend our existing grant form expire in 2021, which gives us a whole other year to work with. Yeah, I think the only concern I have with sending this out now, the way it's drafted, is it has none of the pieces in it that will be required for a federal grant. Yeah. And there are coming, this is a prime project for us to get 100% funding on. It's awesome that we're poised and ready because a lot of towns aren't in that boat, which is going to make us a lot better positioned to compete for these funds. But I think we need to take this bid document and my recommendation would be to hang on to it a little bit and by next month, whether we're going to be able to go for federal funding for this or not. I like the idea of it being able to be paid for by 100% federal funding, so there's no cost to the town. And I also like the idea of maybe potentially being able to package it with some other projects at the same time, whether it's Maple Street or some of that, if we can get all of them funded. But that would be my... I agree, Trini. Yeah, if it's okay with you and the board, I'd like to just ask the board to skip this for now. I'm agreeable with that. I am as well. Sounds good. Do we need a motion to table or... No, we just skip over it. We'll see you again on another agenda. You might have a little fancier name on it though. That's a question on possible funding. Do we have any idea what applications would be due on? No, they can't even agree on how to put the bill together in Washington, so there's no... You know, the guidance isn't out to the town level yet, but the conversations are taking place, some of what their intent is. I've been in on conversations of that and what types of projects they're looking at. We've got some projects in Randolph that we would like to do that are like expanding water and sewer down the Beanville Road that don't really bring in a lot of long-term jobs, but will allow us to be poised to bring in additional businesses or to connect some of the folks up on Route 12. We wouldn't compete well in the normal funding because they're usually looking for sustainable jobs. Some of this money is going to be looking at jobs that you can get people into right now to do. They're looking at how many people are going to be employed while that job is taking place versus what the end benefit of the jobs is. The Beanville Road culvert, Maple Street, redoing Maple Street, the water wastewater, connecting the town reservoir, those projects all will compete very well for that type of funding, and they may have already been packaged up and put a bow on and put some big numbers on to try and just give some examples of types of community projects that would benefit from this type of stimulus money that don't compete in normal funding pots. So we'll see what happens. Do you or Delpho have a list of what you're thinking so that the rest of us could be looking at that too? Well those are the projects that we have going on anyway, so it's connecting the wells, the new wells to the water system, which is a project that's out there that we've been hammering on looking for funding to deal with the manganese issue. So that's one of the projects that we have. Maple Street and our challenges there, you know, while we're looking at Maple Street and the, you know, you've got the issue of power poles and nobody wants them on their side of the street, so we might still just increase the size of the project and bury all those power lines while we're at it, right? So that takes away that problem and we may have gained what we need to put the sidewalks down through there without having to make it go to one-way street because the funding limits aren't really on us as much there. This culvert has been a historic project that's haunted us to get all the funding for. That's on there. We have the water and sewer lines to connect down through to Central Supplies and down the Beanville Road to all the way to the Vermont Castings Building. So these are all basically legacy projects that we have out there that the opportunity is there and you're looking for a place to dump some money. We have a place we can give it a home. You know, earlier this week, I would, Adelpho and I participated in the East Valley Group meeting and throughout the idea of, rather than go for smaller grants and have to do, put a lot of energy into fundraising, that project is a project that could potentially be packaged for this type of funding and I'm sure there's a bunch of others. Yeah, I was going to say we have other paving and water and wastewater infrastructure projects that are, you know, in the pipeline as well. Yeah, Adelpho was working with the highway guys and whatnot to try to look at where we have paving and there was three or four I think I don't remember three or four that just, you know, came off the top of people's heads but you know, we definitely should be doing a search right now of what types of projects do we have in town that we'd like to advance but funding is an issue. If you have any thoughts, send them on up. Yeah, there is and some of this is going to depend on what they put to us, right? The first stimulus bill is going to be, it's got to go and be done construction within 12 months. So that goes towards these projects that we have ready because we've got most of the environmental stuff and all that completed and we can get tied up in environmental and permitting for over a year on some of these bigger projects but, but yeah, if anybody has any ideas or anything, you know, we should be flushing them out. Yep, that's what I was wondering. And see what we can do with them because when it hits, it's going to hit fast. So we do have several of our more challenging roads on a working list. They're there, it's right up the town like Trini mentioned, Maple Street, we've got a few others that are in some dire need of repair. And in some cases, we're not going to have time to go out and get bids or estimates or whatnot for some of these projects. So we're going to have to use our, you know, just educated guesses at them because the process is going to move so quick. And so, you know, people that I've been working with in other towns, I've been telling them, target your number high. So round up, you know, we just, it's interesting, it's interesting times, that's for sure. Give me a holler, I'll work in. I don't think I've been this busy in a long time. All right, moving right along, sick leave bank policy. The town recently reconvened an old committee. It was called the sick leave bank committee. The committee is comprised of town employees that are contributing to the sick leave bank policy bank. And that committee has decided to recommend changes to the sick leave bank to essentially make it more inclusive of all employees, whether they're participating in the sick leave bank or not. I believe Amy is still on the call. She had offered to speak about the committee's proposed changes. Yeah, I'm still here. So when I sent the but also there was a question about whether town employees qualify for the family's first COVID response act or the family's first act extension of sick and family leave. And I think we've come to the conclusion, yes, indeed, town employees do qualify for that. Given that the committee was revived really response to COVID-19 outbreak and with concern that some employees might be sickened or have family members who were ill or whatever because of coronavirus, there was some time pressure to make changes to the sick leave bank policy to make sure that they had access to adequate adequate sick leave paid leave. My feeling now, since the family's first act does extend sick and family leave to town employees, is that it would make a lot more sense to take the time to revise the policy fully rather than act now on the sort of major recommendations the committee has and then come back at it again in a few months. So that's where I stand on it. I do all have questions about the changes that the committee is recommending at this point. Can you just walk us through how this works? I was reading some of this and I'll be honest with you, I probably am not able to have gotten through this and get the whole picture. I get it. So the policy as it stands now basically limits access to the sick leave bank to folks who have contributed to it in the past. And the way the bank works is that in order to participate an employee has to contribute 40 hours in the first year that they are a member and then contribute 16 hours subsequently. The problem with that is that the folks who are most likely to have inadequate paid sick leave are the folks who don't have 40 hours to contribute in the first place. And so that's such a barrier that I think there are only six town employees right now who are members of the sick leave bank. We feel that that is a barrier that just makes no sense. So our point of view is that the point of the bank is to support folks who don't have adequate sick leave and the barrier is just too high at this point for that to happen. So we would like to remove that restriction entirely that rather than requiring folks who I'm so to speak from the sick leave bank to have participated by contributing previously, we would like to see that all non-employees who are eligible for paid sick leave are automatically enrolled if you want to look at it that way and therefore eligible to withdraw sick leave if they need to. Would there be less incentive for them to contribute in the first place? Well considering that there are only six members, I would say the incentive. I just don't see that this is an effective structure at this point. It does not achieve the goal that it was intended to achieve basically. The way it was set up that was people gave hours because they became members, right? No, actually my understanding is that it was set up for one specific town employee who was so new that he did not have any sick leave. And so right there the ways that the sick leave bank was established already didn't follow the rules of eligibility. So the reasoning behind it being such a draconian limited policy I cannot explain. I was not there for the for the creation of this policy but I I do know that the feeling of the folks who are participating in it now is that it it it's too limited. It makes no sense basically. I'm not arguing with changing it. My question is I could get hours built up that people can use boost if they don't have to donate hours. Well there are a couple of ideas for that. One of them is that you know I I contribute. I think I contributed 80 hours last year because I'm almost at the maximum of the sick leave that I've accrued. So I have no qualms about donating time. That's a personal decision. I could have kept them for myself but I feel fine donating that with the understanding that I may have colleagues who don't have adequate sick leave for their needs. The other idea which I really like is that if folks have reached their maximum does the maximum that they can accrue that the time that they would accrue instead gets pushed into the sick leave bank. I think we are almost at the maximum time that can be accrued anyway under this policy which is how much 2040 hours I believe or 2080 hours and we're roughly at about 1800 hours at this point. So I don't I don't see that there's any problem with there not being adequate sick leave to support a colleague who who needs it. I could always add to the bank too. But Amy all of these are now that you're requesting to the board to not take action at this point. All of these items could be discussed within the committee and then brought back to the board in the future right? Oh absolutely and there are some substantial changes to there there are points in here that are just unclear. Yeah there's a lot of work that needs to happen on this policy. So one of the resources out there Amy that you might want to look at is coordinating with Adolfo and having the legal cities and towns get us the policy some other towns use and how they do it. That might instead of reinventing it maybe there's one that works really good out there we can just borrow their language. I am definitely in favor of not reinventing them all out for sure. That might be a good resource. Thank you for that. And Amy you said this agreed with were you talking about a law that it agreed with? Maybe you're referring to the Families First COVID-19 Response Act is that yeah I think Pat what Amy had mentioned was that there was an urgency to adjust the sick leave bank policy so that it can be used by current staff whether they're a part of the sick leave bank or not but in the wake of the the new federal legislation that has been released to protect employees who may be ill or become ill or caring is home because they're not in school now there is no sense of urgency to amend the sick leave bank policy because these federal bills extend protection to town employees. Yes so some of this the act that they're talking about Pat is the one that's protecting is making that has different size limits and some of what we looked at at the state level and I reached out to adults and said hey you know maybe the town's eligible for some of this reimbursement stuff too so the big it's out there the language is out there the big problem is getting clear interpretations of what it means for different organizations and whatnot and that seems to be a much slower trickle coming in. Looking forward to more clarification sounds like a good idea. Okay all right so I'll continue to work with the committee and and get you a fully developed revised policy for your review and approval. Sounds good thank you. Okay thanks goodbye everybody. Take care. Next up is grants. Nothing under grants. Whoops wait a minute under new business we had the ramen group. Yeah okay. Added that under other business or new business this is some as I said earlier the ramen group I don't need to pull up I sent you all a document today spelling out the group's work thus far I'm going to pull that up on my computer here so I can reference it. So this is a group that came together in the immediate wake of the of the governor's edict relative to COVID-19 and it is being coordinated by capstone community action but it includes 16 other member organizations ranging from Bethany church and St. John's Episcopal to Safe Line the Randolph senior center the food shelf and a host of others as Amy mentioned earlier during the public comment period we are meeting weekly via zoom on wednesday afternoons there's also a communications group of which I'm a part of the half of the Randolph Rotary Club that is meeting on tuesday afternoons to talk about getting word out into the community about the the activities of this ramen group and ramen stands for Randolph area mutual aid network it is prominently featured on the front page of this week's hurled in the lead story on the front page highlighting efforts the three-town region to support people during this crisis there is a website that has been set up under the umbrella of RACDC that is also referenced in the document that I sent to you earlier today and at this point the group is simply asking for the towns of Randolph brain free and Brookfield the tri-town area to come on board as supporting members of this ad hoc organization and that that simply means having someone at the table at the meetings each week which I would be happy to do on behalf of Randolph and I'm already doing it on behalf of the Rotary Club they're not asking at this juncture for any financial support or resources beyond whatever town could bring to the table in terms of supporting messaging efforts in the community there may be a modest ask of the organizations involved further down the line to support things like printing of postcards to go out in a direct mail piece some support for postage for such a piece and that kind of thing but that's not part of the ask they're simply asking that the representative at these weekly meetings this is Pat I'll make the motion that we affirm that we support this group and they're one of the founding members I'll second that isn't paper hi hi hi posed do we need to appoint somebody or is Adolfo going to those meetings already correct Adolfo Josh and I have been at most of the meeting since this group came together yeah Josh and I but you're there is the Rotary correct right yeah in that realm I mean you're there to represent the town too but we really should have somebody there who's representing the town I will I will participate formally in the days that I cannot be there Josh will most likely be there so we'll be covered yeah we'll actually have two representatives right two for the price of one we have for that cool yeah okay great uh old business land use regulation signature page uh I meant to remove this from the agenda it was an error on my part so there's nothing to consider at that point nice highway dump trucks the board had previously authorized the town to accept bids for two new dump trucks a cliff had taken the lead on securing financing for the trucks in your packets you have an action item sheet asking for you to accept one of the finance companies that offered us a 2.31 percent interest rate at the best we could do class I think you may have left the call but uh we we waited around a little bit we bounced around we pressured some more uh some other folks and yeah this is the best rate that that was out there yeah I think that's pretty good so I would be in favor of accepting that rate I'll make a motion to that effect I'll second that I'll second that we got a motion and all kinds of seconds are those in favor like that right I opposed stained and here's other business managers report uh just a few items uh one is that we received notice today that the COVID-19 issue has received a federal disaster declaration um for a few more months that we've been we've been tracking all of our time uh and all the resources spent on issues so we will start filling out paperwork soon or request uh federal federal support um we have been working with our partners at the sheriff's department and with gifford gifford has been preparing um in case we have a massive influx of cases at this point uh we seem to be one of the better fairing counties we roughly we have roughly uh about I think we have cases so far uh so we're the third fewest cases in the whole state with grandile having three in Essex having one so so far we're doing well um but the sheriff's department has some COVID related um issues that have been springing up that they're dealing with um domestic issues as well as a few suicide attempts uh so they're keeping track of their time and billing the second office with a COVID-19 uh header on their invoice uh we uh I've asked cliff uh cliff actually didn't ask him he just pulled this together for us he did a uh a very long-term projection of where he feels we're going to end this fiscal year uh some of a very loose numbers which cliff will tighten up in the coming meetings in the coming months but in the in the very preliminary numbers he believes we will end the fiscal year with a surplus in the general funder $75,000 and we may have roughly 30 to 35 in the in the highway budget uh we just had a a wicked hard winner and some other issues pop up but again these are preliminary numbers and cliff will report more detail in the coming months uh and then another news is that we received word from Chandler from from uh uh and are continuing to work with Chandler that they have secured an anonymous donation of $25,000 to match the $25,000 in the town's facilities reserve fund to repair the the leak in the roof so um we're waiting for that $25,000 to materialize to be directly given to the town and once we have that we can start building an RFP for the work and once the RFP draft is pulled together I will bring it to the board for its consideration and um but for now uh that's really it one last small item is that we initially thought we were going to have an issue with bearing um you know we we're getting into warmer weather we haven't been able to have any any burials because of the the COVID-19 issue but uh it turns out that we're our ground seam is working with our local mortuary and it doesn't look like we're going to have a major problem with that and that's it great anybody else have anything to bring up um I just want to say the fact that I brought it up uh in the manager's report at the at the first meeting that I attended last month and in response to John Pimentel's comments during public comment today uh while I realized that COVID-19 has really uh derailed all of us and it consumed all of us the past month I would be willing to sit down and work with you on uh on a letter relative to the climate uh change uh issue uh between now and next month's meeting if uh if you would welcome my input yeah absolutely um yeah I think it's yeah it's welcome to help um from the the guidance that the board gave me at the previous meeting it seemed like it would be fairly uh not so challenging to task but um it's just a matter of finding the time but yeah absolutely I would welcome the help all right all right I'll uh I'll take a shot at maybe where it's submitted together then over the course of the next couple of weeks great thank you Tom sure didn't didn't John make a similar offer earlier in the meeting yes uh yeah I think he I think he may have so you know we could we could loop him in as well but you know I think drafting a letter um to share with the board with three different voices would be challenging but you know we could certainly we share a letter with with with John but I don't I don't think it's a letter that we would need community approval first it was it's supposed to be a letter from the board right right and I would just point out that you know getting some input maybe from John or some activists that have been pushing it forward might make sense but in the end the resolution uh a town meeting called for the the board and the town to draft the letter so the onus is really on us and not on them um so long as we as we uh I think hold to the to the intent of the resolution um we should be we should be okay once you've got the letter done I'd be happy to proofread it or give you my opinions on it or anything that's absolutely that seems appropriate you do the work and then I'll read it you're gonna do that you might as well share it with all of us yeah yeah but we went through this uh when we talked about it right after town meeting uh night thought we had hammered out pretty close to what we wanted in the letter yeah I think we did in the minutes of that March 12th meeting would reflect that yeah Trina you're right I think the the comment from the board and from you and from Perry and everyone else was language from the town plan um sharing in the letter that sharing the entire article that was presented by the voters and then confirming that the work created by the community led to the creation of this letter but also using word from uh a wording from the town plan that's my recollection as well yeah yes other topics I'm used to dealing with multiple editors in my life so two questions training go ahead first one first one is uh for Adolfo I'm assuming we anticipate that 50 000 plus or minus will do the roof of Chandler uh we hope so we had a uh a high end roughly of about 80 000 that number didn't come from an actual source other than an actual expert source it came from uh Michael Penrod who assumed it would cost that much uh folks with a little more expertise in in in that type of work I have told us that 50 000 it shouldn't cost more than 50 000 good as long as we do a good job and don't have to redo something in a few years right yeah absolutely and Trini I had a question for you uh I think something Adolfo sent around said that was the league suggesting with votes that were taken by phone if there was a phone conference or a meeting and votes were taken if it wasn't unanimous you get an individual vote on that that seemed like a good idea to me we're all unanimous tonight that you get a that you ask each individual what their vote is yeah yeah we didn't have anybody saying nay or abstaining tonight so right what could we do that in the future if it's so that yeah we can yep and just so uh just to share with everyone that um there we have work media recording this meeting so um you know if it fails the loose wording of the state legislature is changing to the open meeting laws no big great any more topics hearing none we have one final item on the agenda I'll second it all those in favor hi hi hi great if anybody has any uh ideas on projects forward them up or anything else uh you know tomorrow at 11 the game changer so it's we're gonna hear some more on the uh April 15th of date you know rest assured that date's changing and we'll be probably having to shake up some plans with staffing and whatnot after that's announced but if anybody after you watch it if you want to anybody from the board thinks we need to consider the impacts to the town um reach out and we can schedule a conference call I can tell you my day looks like hell wow definitely but we'll make time to go over that and other impacts and oh coming and maybe how to get ourselves positioned to get the maximum benefit for the town out of this so I will tell you that um being at the table for a lot of these conversations for funding coming in to help with uh things both at the state level and the town level um randa I don't know in a lot of different things that we probably wouldn't be otherwise and we had an example we put forward a list of rail projects and the new england central rail project has um a million dollars in it to fix railroad street in randa um and you know do we get funded is another issue but um you know every chance I have to add anything that's to the benefit of randa is in there um the siding on hall street is in there for rail also um you know if we had an airport I could help you out on that front too but since we don't have to be able to add anything in there but um yeah we have one over in south randa so um you know and I yeah and we just need to be poised I think for some of these others and let's see how we can do on those two shana this is a small thing that she brought up railroad street the would would that also include the the nearby crossing on um where crosses pleasant street in that area because that's a pretty bumpy crossing right there right now I can tell you that um we had uh I had all of maybe 45 minutes to put the list of projects together statewide and so I was extremely generous with the dollar amount I put in that project because I have no idea what it's going to take so um since then I've looked at it some more and I think there's probably more to do some work even further down the line with with the allocation if we get it so yeah I would say we can look at that crossing and we can probably look at that crossing anyway one of the programs that I manage is is rail and the crossings are in it so we can look at whether there's any work we can do on that approach for it but I'll write that on one of my lists Larry and if I can find it tomorrow well while we're at it we should we should have a pedestrian crossing on that on that street too across the tracks not just a road crossing as in a sidewalk I don't think you mean a true pedestrian crossing rail crossing yeah something yeah I meant I meant something on something for but like yes some sort of sidewalk or something which would keep the you know which would be a you know would be a separate place for pedestrians to walk on out in the road well we might be able to add that into the railroad street right if we're going to put you know what does railroad street look like when we're done and we're going to we'll have a little bit of time the positive of where this funding got out it into is it is it's just a request now so we don't have it but it is in a pot of money that would go to the railroad so the railroad would have to take the plans and do the construction and oversight of them so yeah you know I think we will have time to look at that and decide what it looks like right now it's just getting the getting the project on a list and a dollar value associated with it cool so yeah we'll see what happens great does anybody anticipate there being so much money available it's going to be hard to get no we don't um the money that's coming out is coming out so far because some of it is you know you got 12 months to finish construction all the way out to four years we would love to have the problem of too much money to spend but you know if we can get some of these public works projects out of the way at in you know it it doesn't have to hit the tax doesn't have to get supported by taxes raised off the backs of property owners in Randolph that's that's huge um oh yeah I agree we're doing and everything that we can get in that's water and wastewater improvements that can be done you know with 100 funding is not only does it save that group from having to pay for it it means more people are in paying for the usage of the system and that helps also that helps right yeah it's a win-win but yeah we'll see what happens if anybody has any ideas though you know hear them because when I'm sitting in these meetings it's my opportunity to stroke of a pen add something in I can use a new water line from the top of the reservoir down over Fars Hill for my snow faking looks like I have plenty of time to do it I think I got all summer to build whatever I want to build out you all said good news this week didn't you Perry well we got a little we're not quite out of the woods yet but yeah it might become my new career I might become a dirt mower because right now I don't have any events right up until the middle of July so we're pretty much gonna be dormant for a while wow yeah I got uh waiting on Dartmouth to make a decision tomorrow whether they're gonna move forward with any of the air stuff during the June process but I'm willing to bet they're going to not do anything so that'll take me out of we're not worry about much going on in June and then I got the word the other day they're canceling the Prouty and they're canceling the do good faster so and then I've got numerous brides that are starting to get paranoid so we'll see I take up a new career we're gonna mow lawns or something I don't know find something to do I'll be playing some golf maybe hey well they let us on the golf course yeah well I think they'll do that all right okay well thanks everybody thank you thanks everyone thank you


All right. So this has been in discussion for a while that the new user experience is not exactly ideal. We kind of throw people in the deep end and Galaxy. When you first show up, you kind of get bombarded with all of the information, but no real way, no real info on how to actually use it. You have a massive list of types of tools. You don't actually see most of the tools themselves, which can be very overwhelming to somebody who has never used the platform before. The, the masthead. Well, again, once you know what you're looking at can be pretty informative. You don't necessarily know what the, what a workflow is what the different types of visualizations we have is or how to access shared data. You have an empty history panel that like, maybe we want to put a button that not when it's empty that says upload data or something like that. That's a whole other conversation. And the center panel has no real on main at least has no real information on how to get started. This is me. I just created a new account just to see if it was just me or what. Sorry, Jen. But to that ends, there has been discussion on how to revamp the user's first experience to get them into Galaxy faster, let them know how to use it more easily. And also, as a more involved, like how to use Galaxy, if you've been using it for a while, but you don't quite remember something you don't want to jump over to training. So priorities for new user, provide an optional tutorial that you can easily exit on on the start of a new account to very easily differentiate any server for what you can do and what it specializes in very rapidly, make it in depth enough to easily get not enough that the user has to spend an hour and a half getting to know every faceted Galaxy. Anything more in depth needs to go to training. It needs to be really easily modifiable so that we can quickly add in new things on new releases as they come up or on different servers. Make those really easy to make. So this is what we have now. It is, we have built in kind of three levels of welcome. So you have the main one, which is this is what you would see on your first login. Obviously this can like the images can be shifted out. But the most basic version focuses on data tools and workflow. In each of these you have some topics, each of which leads eventually to a slide show that I can show in a moment, but a user can navigate through this very easily and learn on any aspect they they have not yet had the experience with with a workflow that they can do with a slideshow that they can quickly and easily parse three that has text and images that they can skip around and look things up and very easily. So the very the most default version, as I said is data tools and workflows. The data has topics on upload remote retrieval sharing and and the data and metadata modification tools intro to the standard tool form and visualization tools. I haven't made one for it is quite yet. And workflows is how to extract from a from a previously run analysis how to import remotely and how to share. The actual mechanism for this is pretty basic. It is a standard one pulls an npm package that contains a bunch of images and a couple JSON files that it needs to get an imports into as a single based on objects, and serves on the welcome page. I changed this, however, with a new variable in the galaxy email file which is welcome directory by changing that out, we're using web packs dynamic imports to not pulling the npm package and allow a user or an admin rather to create their own chase on files and folders and directors of images and sub directories and help like there's a structure that I can explain more in depth later that they can very easily customize one for any given server and import there. You can also change the existing one by pulling the npm package and altering the files, you can use it as a basis and then go from there. So blocks. We need like pack five is like pack five has a dynamic imports. We can't currently change the imports depending on on the variable. Dan has PR in this, and it is mostly complete he unfortunately most likely cannot join this meeting as he's having a bit of a child emergency. So I'm hoping to get this up and running by GCC. If it were not sure it will be on main by GCC but should be able to be on main by GCC. And I'm also looking for any comments on additional standard contents that we might want to add other than it is still need to write that. Default node package with the default contents is that going to be presumably that's going to be managed via GitHub in a new repository. Yes, I have one that I'm using right now but once once it's up and running I'm going to fork it and just hand it over to Dan and on galaxy. Okay. And so we'll just need to make sure that the version of that package that's pinned with a galaxy version sort of matches the version of galaxy. Yeah, it is. The main reason is because it will massively increase upload times if the user has to download has to pull the images every time. It's, it's, it's not a massive file system like number of files but it is a large group of images, and that can be a bit of a slow down on startup otherwise. Yeah, no. Ideally the whole app would be this way right ideally we could. The whole client would be pulled down from MPN also and yeah, the back end would be decomposed into pieces that we pulled in. Yeah, and that's really cool. I mean I like that I just Once it's in Webpack 5 it becomes much easier. Awesome. Have you know the training people have looked at it you think training should be part of the default content. We already have the link out on the mast head to training that exists a little cap icon. I think that training definitely I will, I think it's probably a good idea to add a link underneath for the primary welcome page which says for more in depth welcome for more in depth tutorials go to training. I think that's probably a valuable thing. Also this is accessible at any time from the health drop down by the way. It would be nice to see how closely we can get that integration so for example you can launch the training materials on galaxy instances that have been set up with that proxy configuration. So that you can click the buttons in the training and fill out the form so it'd be good to make sure that we maintain that nice integration. Yeah, I think this is really good usability enhancements but yeah similar to Dan I just there's all these like images and little, you know, the training material repo just added this new concept of like, like a fact like a people ask questions with little snippets of like just short little quick things and it kind of looked a bit like what was in the how to upload data to galaxy for instance. And I know that there's like a slightly different audience. And so that's fine and slightly different use case but to whatever degree we can sort of, you know, merge with them would be nice, but I don't know if that's possible and I don't I don't think that should this should block anything it's just, you know, a comment. That'd be nice to sort of work on on sort of synchronizing that but this is this looks great I mean obviously this is galtz needs this so that's fantastic. Any, any topics I might have forgotten that might be a good idea for a base welcome. Can you show the topic again. Alex I just had a question about this slide that last one. Yeah. So, um, when you don't include borders to show to show the navigation it's hard to know what this means. You know, it's a hover, sorry, these turn turn gray on hover, but yeah. Okay, so like, but it doesn't show you that you need to click on upload data. And there is a, this is an image. This is an image this isn't the actual model. Right, so I'm wondering if this should include something within it that has like this upload data, and then an arrow and this is what you get. I'm sorry this is part of the slideshow like the next slide focuses on the button. Okay, and then there's a there's a tutorial in the GTN that's specific to it are we going to include links for how to on the slides. So, again, we can we can edit the content as much as we like this is a this is a file that can vary like it's a JSON that we can very easily hyperlink from. That would be really like nice. I know you just added a lot of their slideshow so kind of it just kind of add a little context like okay what is that and then you go in and you can find, but everything looks fabulous this is great. Thanks. Thanks yeah so with that static image would it be possible to some way actually embed the widget, and then use tours. So, the reason originally that we took it this direction was because tours weren't working for a little while. I don't know if they currently are. So, the answer is, possibly, I need to double check if tours currently function. Yeah, because it'd be awesome if you could actually interact with the thing as it's teaching you right. Yeah. So, the way that the way that the way the slides are set up are those in JavaScript like is that something you'd be able to embed a component in. They are through, they're done by a view serving a JSON object. So I don't know that like the way it's written right now that it would be able to just showing it's part of a bootstrap you slide. Hey Alex, I'm, I called him from my phone. Sorry I'm a little late. Yeah, so we could, we could totally do that and embed actual components, the problem is going to be the mounting and context available. So if you wanted to embed like an upload model or something like that have it pop up automatically. So I have to think about how it actually gets strapped in, given the configurability of the component here. In other words, like so if, if, if use gasey.org wanted a tutorial with an upload component and that you did not. How is that specified in the, the extra bundle that gets built for this thing. What's that configuration or what's that a YAML configuration or something. Well, so it's again I mean it's a JSON blob but where do you actually specify that so in in covered, you know use gasey.org for embedding components in markdown there's there's like a library that handles it and plugs it all in and all that. Yeah, I'm not sure how easy it'll be to, to make that embeddable from that end. I think we can do it though. Um, yeah I mean this is awesome so it sounds like a lot of work so make sure you have something for GCC if that's what you're aiming for. Yes, that's exactly it. Yeah, I think we make the first pass today. Yeah. Also just a quick note about the tours. They are currently non functional. I've been working with Helena a little bit just to, there's a PR open on the training materials GitHub repository. We're investigating how difficult it would be to get them functional again there's been some changes in the UIs. The CSS selectors mainly have changed so they don't really work anymore and we're taking a look to see how much effort would be to get them in line and sync with the UI again. And feel free to change whatever plugin or back end libraries being used for that too right I don't think we're. Yeah, so there's there's also there's an open PR on Galaxy for swapping that from bootstrap tour to bootstrap tourist, which is so bootstrap tour got abandoned a couple years ago. And I think incompatibility incompatibility with that and see their jQuery or something is what's causing a lot of the issues right now. So there's a tourist PR open that should fix up most of that. And bootstrap for swap. Awesome. We should coordinate on those PR so that's if there's something on the training material site, I haven't seen that. So I have some minor suggestions. Can you show the welcome page again. So I feel like the icons are way too big in contrast to the text. Maybe that's just me, but it's not just you we talked about it when we initially discussed it about two months ago. Data tools. This should be more balanced. Right. And then if you can show. So I would suggest for the right and the next one, where you have the slides. So since these are images. I don't want, I mean, I would suggest that we, that it might lead to confusion because in some cases we just like our two form also has no background. And so it you can't really distinguish visually if you can click on it or not. So I would suggest to put the slides, maybe in a box and with a light gray background or something so that it's that it's kind of differentiated from our regular components. I would help just like the whole thing in a small box and like rounded and then was a slight great background and the return button, but these are minor things one can talk later about it. I would probably put to the upper right left. Right. Yeah. So because we had the issues which with big screens that that the return button would be then at the bottom. It's just like some disbalance but the upper left right would probably be good but here as I said like one round box and then the whole thing in there. Then one would see that it's kind of not clickable. That should be docked at the bottom. Yeah, mostly because otherwise it moved along the size of the images and I spent multiple hours trying to get that to not happen. Okay. Yeah, this great of course this will improve definitely the first arrival for new users on the page. So the font awesome stuff as you can tell but like, that's not strictly necessary if people have preferred images to represent any given thing I'm totally cool to use those two. Yeah, it's first pass right if we have nice sort of professional graphics mocked up for tools workflows data kind of thing that'd be, that'd be amazing. I mean, it seems like a lot of people. I mean like I'm very curious to get in there and like look at the initial content, although I'm not really the person that should do that but we should maybe like have a meeting with I don't know, Jen and Helena and like some developer, presumably Alex or Dan and or somebody so that we could like, you know, have more users hacking on that, the initial content and a meeting to walk through all that might be good. Yeah, so the plan was to have a meeting with the goat group working group to look at it and like the next. Yeah. Sometime this quarter. So that's a good idea and already in the works. Okay, I'm yeah the other thing is that that could be around table to potentially just like go through the content if we have an open weeks slot sometime but the goat group might be more focused and so that conversation might be more productive that way. But yeah, awesome. Okay, anyone have else have any comments. I guess everyone would be happy to. Yeah, I guess I said it when there were only a few people on but this was I told Anton I had a time this is going to be a pretty short one because it's not particularly complex. This is true. But it's very extensible such that if we wanted, you know, I think we should stay focused and get something done, but if we wanted to build on it and add additional vignettes be straightforward to do. And hopes Jeremy would be here because he was the one most excited about this from last few times. Well, he'll see it on main soon it sounds like so this is true. Awesome. I'm going to stop recording then I guess. Any like release related stuff or anything like that we want to talk about do we want to just that to use this time just the testing group still need more people. Yes, I was just about to put out a call for participants. I still need a few people to round out the group so if anybody wants to volunteer and you know potentially spare their mates for my random number generator that I'll use to select the team. If I don't have volunteers that'd be great. Because I'd like to send out invites. You know, ideally tomorrow if I can so we can meet early next week. Maybe actually start the testing next week as well and get done so we can get issues and notes to the dev team to wrap up. You know so it's a small release so you know, if you do it now will be less work the next time around. Yeah, exactly so if you you know volunteer for this one it's an easy release there's only a few issues to test out you'll get off easy whereas next time. You know might be a lot more work so get it out of the way well it's easy feature surge. Or you can volunteer a friend. Don't forget to submit abstracts. Monday. Just to clarify, do we need to submit. We don't need to submit an abstract for the training tutorials, or do we. That's built into the schedule those are happening. Period. I think you've been tapped to do one of the trainings then there's no abstract to submit. It's a different part of the program. Do we have any water stand on, you know how abstracts and registration is going. I guess that's a no. I guess no Dave today so I have a usability question is it possible to download when like you have a tabular file in history and you click download to download it with a custom extension like text or something as opposed to that. You should never download with that. But it would be the predefined one. So the one that corresponds to the data type. It's always one to one mapping. Yeah. I mean if you know the special invocation you can change the header. But it's not super. Wasn't a center working on a tool that would switch the data type of the collection or something like that. I see she's here. Yes, I'm here. Um, it's not ready yet, but you can change the data type of the collection using the converter tools right now. That's just for like a whole collection of known with a uniform homogenous type right this. And this is asking about a direct file conversion from a to B or something like that. So just a single data set for a collection. Again, it's once a single data set right. It was a single data set. Yeah, but like just on download not. Not within galaxy not actually change the data type just that download time downloaded as a custom data type. You should be able to get the same file. Yeah, extension. Yeah, so you can. So now when you hover over it it shows you. But if you hover over the download button it says to X something something so I think since last release, you know you could type in the extension you want and then you get the extension back that that's. Yeah. So the time it should be that is when it's a actual data formatted data type. Right. Yeah, it's that it sounds like something's going wrong. Yeah, download a band file you get a dot band file. Yeah, if you don't something's broken. Thanks just double checking here. But in that regard is always annoying is when you download a tabular file and you know your setup knows what to do with TV with CSV where it doesn't know what to do with the tabular right. Wait, would it make sense to download a tabular just to default to download on a tabular to a CSV or something. Yes, we better. Yeah, TSP is what I would say but because we actually have a CSV right. We have CSV CSV and tabular and the tab the TSP is more strict. So, I'm not sure it's 100% win if we change that the TSP is more strict. I would expect TSP and CSV would be identical except for tab instead of a comma right. No that that is identical and I think they use. Okay, just the CSV parsing in Python but the our tabular data type is not a strict I think. And that's why we have them separately which is, yeah, we should have unified that at one point, but at this point I don't think they're exactly the same so we'll be tricky to do it. Is it white space handling or something. Okay, I think I think it is. Yeah, something like that. Okay. And like also, you know that TSP parsing in Python is a bit. So you have to choose a dialect and it's. You can do that stuff in the client now though I mean we could, we could very easily stream the text and do a file object and manipulate it and then, you know, as part of the I mean if it's something you really want and it is something that we could build specific converters for we can look into doing it in the client. I think most of what we're talking about here that wouldn't be reasonable for the client to. So we're talking about gigabytes only be good for like, simple previews. Yeah, yeah, yeah for like previews and stuff absolutely. Sorry. No, no, no, go ahead. Okay, data types with like a default download extension and so we could like, yeah that that's the file that's a galaxy extension by default but for just for tabular we could download them as TSP and then if we had something else like, I mean there's other places we have dots in there like raw.gz or something where we might, you know, we might want that to be slightly different. I would have a download extension on the data type or in the data types XML file or a list though. Is it, is it maybe this is the like the display applications 2.0 kind of thing we were talking about right where you can have each data type has multiple ways to display it's all linked in and different visualizations, whether it's charts or tracks or whatever. And then download is just a different version of that that has multiple output types. Yeah, I just, I just wanted to point out that the modern client you can in fact stream all that data into a file object and even if it's large you could pass through dump it to a link that you click on it's it's the kind of thing you really can do in the client nowadays, even for big files, maybe not gigabytes but pretty big files. It doesn't have to be all or nothing. It doesn't have to be a simple trick text transformation modern the modern native JavaScript objects are pretty, pretty beefy. Something to think about if you really want it. I mean somebody wants to give it a shot I'm not sure it's a really thankful task to do it. And it's tricky to get it right. No suggestion is not bad but like what happens if we use the downloads tabular file tabular data type file gets a T is the absolute uploads it back again, and then selects T is the things that you can just go on because he may not be able to read. So what is the difference. Like why, why do we use that I mean is if we, if a tool is to output a TSP what it displays equally in Galaxy. Display yes but because they're not exactly the same. They don't inherit from each other so they're not, you know, unless the two said I accept both. It's not necessarily working. Looking at the code the tabular data type definition does a lot more with metadata than the TSP type definition so there's a difference there. I'm just saying it's tricky. Right. I mean it's not something you can do in an afternoon. I think I'm fixing tabular to download as a TSP. I mean you're right that you could, you would upload it and it might not strictly be a TSP. I don't. That's a weird who is downloading files from Galaxy and re uploading them and not sniffing like it's. I don't know that that's a problem, I guess is what I'm saying. Your TSP web browser extension or it not opening in Excel or whatever seems like the bigger problem than like upload and download sort of matching. And then that extension could be I mean I could do that and you know it's it's like four lines of code right just like when you, when you like look at the data set to generate that extension to get that download link, you know you could change it. It's just a monotype right. I mean the content attached. This is completely configurable right I mean it's not even four lines as a single line, but. Yeah, so the mind type and the extension are different. But yeah you just set the extension that sets for the download. But I'm not so sure we wouldn't get into user issues that are subtle. I mean, just being able to click on it and I have it open in whatever thing your computer knows how to display TSP is also worth it. So I don't know. I mean a dot tabular extensions kind of worthless right like that doesn't exist outside of the galaxy only concept right like how is it. How is it ever useful to have that that tabular type I don't. Yeah you would think it would be either TSP or CSV. And then tabular is an abstract parent that can have a concrete. Yeah. I think it's easy to have like a fixed number of columns right also is that my making that up whereas I don't think the galaxy tabular type needs to have a fixed number of column. Yeah, I mean the tabular data type can definitely do something like, you know, one column first to come second 15 the third, not complain about it. Tabular can be whatever we want it to tabular is whatever Dan decided tabular was 15 years ago. The other problem with CSV files is there is no real CSV standard everybody that writes a spreadsheet comes up with their own, how they're going to handle embedded columns or embedded quotes or what not so it's CSV files are very much a moving target depending on what you want to program you're trying to load it into. Yeah, just to make it easy we display CSV files to click on the icon icon as tabular. So you have to add is on the peak. Yeah, it's in the peak view it's correct but if you display it it turns into tabular. I mean that's a good thing right because who would want to look at commerce in your table. It's a good thing for someone who knows what they're doing. But if you're not sure, like, I guess I just answered so many questions about people who don't understand, but like, I'm looking at my data, they're like it looks like as columns are trying to append it into a tool it doesn't accept. Or maybe we should start parsing comma separated data to see as speed data as tabular when it gets input to tools. If it's expecting a tab file. I mean we do I mean if it's possible we do that right but you know galaxy does a lot of these things like we display bam files, as you know the same representation. We display compressed files without you know showing them garbage. I think that's a good thing we should keep doing that. Maybe the UI should reflect like hey this is a display you know this is a view. This is raw data, because the problem is is people are going to select all copy put into a work document and then try to run Sam tools on it. I need to kind of get back to the thing I mentioned before the next version of display applications of visualization forever you want to think about it. Maybe that that makes that delineation more clear where look you're viewing data but this isn't the raw data that you download. Yeah, I mean this will be amazing because I also make it much easier to have like custom display. Yeah, you know, you know, the eye can can be one of the visualizations right that's what you're saying. Yeah, yeah exactly right. I'm just playing notebooks directly, but will be my first thing I do. Also, we should, you know, maybe see if we want to do something about the peak, because the peak is not stories HTML and it's in most cases we don't actually store HTML in the peak in the database so we actually either have like, I don't know, we have, I don't know, CSV or we have Jason. I don't know, maybe that's something we can think about that, you know, that's not super hard to like to declare what what that content is, and then client render it appropriately. If we want to do what I just described for the peak. I don't like passing HTML back and forth over the API either. It would be good if, if we could do exactly what you just said, if I could feed into a file object and then render it in some kind of preview. You know, on the client word, that's where the client rendering should happen. Right. Yeah, that's exactly what was pushed for and a recent PR. We should totally do it. Do we sanitize at HTML. It's on the client side right. No, I'm sure the HTML we're putting in the database and we want to get away from that anyway so that's yeah. We want to get away from it immediately or we probably do to some extent right so only I mean that's only generated by the data set class. So hopefully we haven't screwed those up. I mean, even if the peak is gone. I mean, let's put it that way most of the peak, you know show peak implementations actually generate the peak if it's not there. Of course that's terrible because it happens in the front end. In the webpanger. Right we don't want file access during that operation if we can avoid it. But you know we do that actually. When we, well, I am not sure we don't actually touch every file object we display when we click on the details view currently. So if we do we should fix that. Yeah, we have that was part of the reason for having a peak accessible from the database in the first place. It could also be just when you're administrator I don't know, I didn't check. I don't know, maybe a priority for 21. What, I don't know, the last to your title. Yeah. Well that'll be 2201. Well we will have one more starting this year right. Yeah after 2109. So it'll be 2201 is the next. Yeah he has the release yeah. I think that's great. I'll plan anything you want for next year. All right then, I guess all. Now I'll stop recording. Oh, I thought we did.


PewDiePie posted a pretty insensitive meme about Demi Lovato's drug overdose and since then he's apologized. Now he says that he understands why it was so insensitive but does he really? What is up everybody? This is Chris from the Rewired Soul where we talk about the problem but focus on the solution and today's topic is perfect especially since yesterday I was talking about the stigma around mental illness and around addiction. So PewDiePie has been in the news lately as well as Demi Lovato and here's a little backstory about what happened. So the other day PewDiePie posted this meme and it says mom can you give me money for a burger to buy a burger? Yes actually buys heroin like a boss. Alright so PewDiePie posted that and the internet blew up as it always does and a bunch of news outlets and stuff covered it and I think that news outlets you know they sensationalize everything and they make a much bigger deal out of everything than they need to especially when it comes to PewDiePie. Anytime PewDiePie makes a wrong move the media is all over it because he is the biggest youtuber on the platform and he's an example of the platform as well as an example for a very young audience. So since then PewDiePie took that meme down he apologized and then he released a video today and today in his video he further apologized and discussed the story he discussed where his mind was out when he posted the meme he also explained that he uh read up on addiction that night and he understands now that you shouldn't ostracize somebody who has an addiction because it might make them spiral down worse into their addiction and absolutely absolutely I totally agree but from the things that he says I don't think he really gets it. Now before I continue and get into my opinion and talk about how PewDiePie doesn't really understand what he did or where his head is still at I do want him to say this I love PewDiePie I love this guy so much I know that he does not do anything in a malicious way I know that for a fact he is a very good hearted person you can tell that just by watching his videos he tries to teach his young audience about things and explain you know what it's like to be a youtuber and he warns people before they jump into this career I also love the fact that he's kind of dabbled in starting like a book club and trying to get his younger audience to read like this is amazing PewDiePie is a very good guy but when it comes to addiction like a lot of people are just ignorant and this clip really explains how PewDiePie still doesn't really get it. Also a lot of people are saying that I was making fun of mental health which no that wasn't the case at all I was making fun of them me and her poor choices. So this is the main problem right here people don't get it they don't see it they don't see the connection they see as addiction and mental illness as two separate things so while PewDiePie is defending himself and saying oh I'm not a hypocrite I was talking about addiction not mental illness no they're all the same thing addiction is a mental illness the leading cause of addiction is a mental illness so like in Demi Lovato's case she was self medicating her mental illness which led to an addiction do you understand you see how these things go together addiction can also cause a mental illness so one of the things that PewDiePie believes and he says is this isn't a mental health issue Demi Lovato is in this situation because of the poor choices that she made now I've done plenty of videos about the difference between addiction and a choice and how they're the same thing in many cases and how we need to relate it to other choices right like here's the thing so in PewDiePie's scenario where he talks about how addiction is a choice not a mental illness so would you ever tell a war veteran would you ever tell a war veteran who is suffering from PTSD that his PTSD isn't really a mental illness because this soldier made the choice to go to war like I want you to think about that for a second like when we're trying to decrease the stigma and raise awareness we need to start understanding like this unconscious bias we have towards addiction like why is it like we need to look at these things and say oh wow they are kind of the same like depending on your life circumstances like man I've said this a billion times like if any of you met the people that I work with at my addiction treatment center you would understand you would understand that over 90 percent of them had terrible terrible life circumstances that led to unfortunately unhealthy coping mechanism which involved drinking and using drugs for me for those of you who don't know me I just celebrated six years clean and sober a lot of mine came from mental illness as well as being raised by an alcoholic mother so it's not really fair to say that all these addicts they made this terrible choice like you don't know their past you don't know their history you don't know what they've been through like it's really difficult to tell somebody who has had this traumatic traumatic childhood that oh you just made some bad choices in life now something else that kind of rubbed me the wrong way about Pewdiepie's quote unquote apology is that as he's trying to get you to understand that he's trying to educate himself about addiction which you can't do overnight by reading some articles online by the way he tries to say that the media is blowing this out of proportion but then he goes on the defense and says the media is saying I shouldn't do things like this because I have a young impressionable audience but then he shifts the blame over to Demi Lovato and he says well she has a young impressionable audience she's the one doing drugs shouldn't she be going after her for what she's doing like let me make this very clear this is not how you apologize this is what we call the but what about technique now what I find really really fascinating about this whole video that Pewdiepie released today is that he segues from this straight into the new Casey Neistat and Logan Paul interview and Pewdiepie is unable to see the parallels between him defending himself and what Logan Paul's doing and I think this clip is a pretty good example there's a difference between culturally insensitive and insensitive but it also doesn't matter and you don't seem to understand why one is offensive anyway so so here's the thing because I'm a fan of Pewdiepie because I watch a lot of Pewdiepie's videos I understand why Pewdiepie doesn't see the parallel between what he's criticizing Logan Paul for and what he's actually doing when it comes to addiction okay so Pewdiepie loves Japan Pewdiepie loves Japan he loves Japanese culture whenever Pewdiepie goes on vacation first place on his list is Japan Pewdiepie understands Japanese culture he understands what is offensive to them so when Pewdiepie is criticizing Logan Paul he's basically saying that Logan Paul doesn't understand why what he was doing in Japan was offensive not the suicide force thing but when Logan Paul was running around in costumes and just doing just acting a fool up in Japan like Pewdiepie gets it but Logan Paul doesn't well here's the thing since Pewdiepie isn't familiar with addiction since he doesn't know or work with a bunch of drug addicts and alcoholics he's unable to really see the parallel and say oh okay well what I'm saying is really offensive when it comes to addiction what I'm saying when she made choices what I'm saying when she's being a bad example to this audience oh wow he doesn't get that he doesn't understand that because it's not something that he was really that well educated about here's some food for thought for you here is something I want you all to think about so Logan Paul is out there trying to rebuild his name rebuild his credibility do a bunch of PR and stuff like that because of what happened in the Japanese suicide force he's trying to raise raise awareness about suicide and mental illness and things like that and Pewdiepie says that you know he advocates for illness and mental health something that Pewdiepie has done is he talked about the Nicole Arbor video well let's take a look at the statistics so in the United States alone 44,000 people each year die from suicide but in the United States alone over 65,000 people die each year from opioid addiction now this statistic does not include addictions to other substances alcohol cocaine benzodiazepines meth and all the other ones so that 65,000 number is actually closer to a hundred thousand number okay and something that's also not taken into consideration is a lot of people commit suicide because of their addiction because they feel so hopeless because they don't see a way out I've known many many many many people who have committed suicide after quitting drugs and alcohol because they no longer know how to live a life so I just want you to think about that a little bit and think about is Pewdiepie really getting educated about what addiction really is and how it actually is a mental health crisis but I would love to hear your thoughts and opinions down in the comments below so lay them on me all right and please do me a favor we're trying to fight the stigma when it comes to mental health when it comes to addiction addiction and mental health are the same thing all right so do me a favor and share this video let's educate the world together all right but anyways if you like this video please give it a thumbs up and if you are new here i'm always making videos to help you out with your mental health click that little round subscribe button and big big big thank you to everybody supporting the channel on 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