Dear students, in this module, we are going to talk about what causes the poverty in Pakistan. So there are areas of varieties of causes of poverty in Pakistan. We will be talking about these causes one by one. So first, we talk about the lack of proper education or lack of quality education. The literacy rate in Pakistan is 59%. It means that almost more than 40% of Pakistanis are yet to be literate and people do not have any concept about the modern earning sources. So they need to be properly aware about the modern entrepreneurship or entrepreneurial skills should be imparted to them. The most people are unable to adopt technology due to the lack of relevant skills. And then we have the large scale import as compared to export that only in 2019 Pakistan's imports include 12.4 billion from China, 6.33 billion dollars of worth of export from United Arab Emirates UAE and 2.6 billion from United States, 2.4 billion from Saudi Arabia. So it means that a huge revenue is consumed each year because of the import products that which are very expensive like the products like IT related products, mobile phones, computers as well as the modern gadgets, the latest vehicles and different communication communication related commodities. So these large scale imports are having a significant burden on Pakistan's economy that is ultimately producing more poverty in the country. And then we have the lack of political will. It means that political elite is far less aware of the ground realities. While making the social policies, they usually adopt an idealistic approach which is not being really situated with the indigenous realities of the country. The policies are often based on the official surveys where it is usually portrayed that most of the things are going in the better way. The things are improving, which might not be the case, the ground realities might be different than what is being portrayed through the official statistics. And the implementation of these policies also lack the efficiency, why? Because there is no political will, there is no proper engagement of enthusiastic workers. So they half-heartedly try to implement those policies which ultimately result, usually result on failure. So these policies need to have a strong political will with strong dedication in order to reduce the poverty in Pakistan. And then corruption also makes a very important contribution in sustaining rather increasing the poverty in Pakistan. As we see that Transparency International 2017 Corruption Perception Index ranked Pakistan at 117th position out of 180, which is considered pretty shameful for the countries who fall very low in this index. So Pakistan's 117th position is also not a very good indicator. In other words, we need to control the corruption in our system. And privatization can be another important factor that government is unable to manage different departments. So sometimes these departments are being privatized and country has the lower reserve assets and a number of companies are sold to the foreign investors and says government cannot run those companies and when they are selling those companies or the employees are also being affected because they lost their jobs and services provided by these companies then become pretty much expensive for the people and for the citizens of Pakistan because they are the profit earning companies whereas the government is usually applying the policies of non-profit basis. And as we know that overpopulation is also another significant factor and Pakistan has one of the highest population growth rates in South Asia which is 2.1. The current population of the country is considered to be more than 200 million people which is the 5th largest population of the world and its growth rate and all these growing populations are pretty much contributing factors for the poverty. And since 1947 Pakistan's population has tripled. So you know the geographic area has not increased the resources has not increased where on the other hand the population is now threefold. So you see that how these problems have significantly increased and on to that we are finding some very unproductive trends of population in Pakistan. One of them is urbanization rather rapid and unplanned urbanization and because of that we see that more and more population is trying to dwell in urban areas as compared to the rural areas and in addition to that we are producing more and more housing societies by effacing the agricultural land by wasting the agricultural land that is also adding to the environmental degradation so all these issues are pretty much contributing to the poverty of Pakistan. So unemployment is ultimately of contributed to all these aspects which is 4.45%. It means that a huge chunk of Pakistan population is unemployed and it complicates the poverty because if you do not find the adequate opportunities of employment you would ultimately go to the other antisocial activities and by that the crime rate would increase and this all makes it a vicious cycle of poverty where everything is interrelated to one another so they are continuously cyclically contributing from one factor to another one factor to another and by that the whole poverty cycle goes on and if we need to break the poverty we have to have a holistic approach to address these issues so there are lesser opportunities for youth to utilize or to materialize and if this potential population of youth which is the huge chunk of our population if it is being realized that there are not enough opportunities in Pakistan that can become pretty much catastrophic for not only for the population of Pakistan but for the situation of poverty as well so other causes also include the worsening of law and order situation as you know the poverty also is the contributed factor to increase the crime rate and low national income GDP if GDP is low Pakistan's GNP is also low because we have more expo imports as compared to the exports so increase in the utility charges as you can observe that we have a higher rates of electricity higher rates of gas higher rates of water supply nowadays as compared to the past so it means that there is a price hike or inflation and imposition of unjustified taxes as well as low living standards so all these are contributed to the non-productive expenditures which means that we are spending more on the luxurious items as compared to being productive or being investing in those items which can further lead to generate the capital so backward infrastructure and is also another factor which means that if we do not equip our society with the latest available technology or modern infrastructure we would be lagging far behind than the developed countries and nepotism and landlord culture is also contributed factor to poverty because when there is no merit people are continuously being discouraged from being part of productive activities they are less likely to be part of the business philanthropy as well as of creative opportunities so landlords are also discouraging the labour population to be more productive by making their work less incentivized so all these factors are interrelated and if we currently observe poverty it is because these factors are contributing to the overall situation of poverty in Pakistan


Alrighty, so we're allowed to fly again. Super awesome to get up there and see what's going on on Yukon Striker. The bad news is nothing's going on on Yukon Striker. It seems like there's nothing on site. It seems like everything's been cleared out. There's no cranes. I don't see any construction equipment whatsoever either. Yeah, I don't see anything at all to be honest. I see one tiny yellow piece of construction equipment over by the vertical loop area, and I can't even make out what it is because it seems really small. I don't see any of the excavators. I don't see any of the bulldozers. I don't see any cranes. I don't see anything but people moving around. There are a lot of people down there on the construction site, so I don't know what that means, but there's no construction activity whatsoever that I can make out. I can make out what looks like the entrance sign over by the break run. I don't know if that's where the entrance is going to take place, but it is a very large structure that has gone vertical, slash is very wide, and from what I'm expecting of Yukon Striker's entranceway, it's going to be some sort of grand waterfall-ish entrance similar to flying canoes, not flying canoes. Soaring timbers, I was getting them mixed up now. On top of that, I'm guessing or I'm expecting some cool effects with Yukon Striker. Again, I think that the train colors are not going to be anywhere close to what the animation showed. I think yellow's going to end up being gold. I think there's still going to be some burgundy. I don't think it's going to be red, so I think you're going to see a lot of brown, like a golden eagle, golden eagle, a lot of gold, like a golden eagle, and the red. I don't think you're going to see any decals or like Leviathan eyes type stuff on the train. I think they're going to stick to just making them look like golden eagles. I think they're going to look very different from Vrall Ravens, yet similar at the same time, if that makes sense. But yes, that's all I can really say about what's going on with Yukon Striker right now. Again, the trains are not going to look like the animation whatsoever. They're going to look like golden eagle-esque type things. The colors are going to be very different. They're going to be gold, brown beige, burgundy red, and then some black in there, I believe. And nothing going on with Yukon Striker whatsoever, like no construction equipment, other than the one driving away from the site actually right down there. But yeah, very interesting what's going on. I have no clue what's going on whatsoever, so I can't even begin to predict. The vertical loop is not complete. They have one support column up for the vertical loop. And the vertical loop literally has former pieces to be installed, and then Yukon Striker trackwise is done. So there's just been a halt in construction, I guess, from what I'm seeing here. Nothing that I could begin to predict on or speculate or give you a proper answer on. Anyways, hopefully you guys enjoyed this construction update. That's not a construction update because there is no construction. Don't forget to hit that like button, subscribe, if you haven't, and share this video for others to enjoy. Thanks for watching, guys. Have a good one, bye.


How's it? How's it? It is awesome to see you. There is a real problem in photography these days certain so as far as I'm concerned that Something is missing There is a big Community-shaped hole in my life and that is something that I've not felt Since photo school really being in an environment that you are living Eating, sleeping photography Now all of our specific goals were somewhat different. We all found our own paths towards those goals But we all pulled in the same direction and that is what is Something I've been trying to recreate here through the photographic eye is this this sense of community where we share ideas Where where I act not as a lecturer, but maybe is like a third year student who gives you prompts who says have you considered this have you considered that and I Want to bring that to as many of you as possible and obviously I can do this through These videos and these videos have been wildly successful in a way that I I'm still amazed by and And it just has fueled my passion to share some of my experiences with you I'm going to recreate this photo school experience that each week for six weeks. We're going to have a Live session just myself and 30 students Talking about photography being given a Prompt for that week giving an assignment and that assignment can be fulfilled in any way that the photographer Wants to this is not about churning out portrait photographers or landscape photographers. This is about creating Photographers who can see the world and express in their own unique Way my first faltering steps into that world was as a fresh faced slightly long-haired out of high school walking into the interview there at the Petroleum Tech Photo School and Looking around being slightly overawed Turning around they're behind me and walking along the corridor with this giant guy was long Jet black hair and you know the biker Jack and I thought oh, Alex You are so out of your depth here, right? If this is what art school is about then you whoa this trouble, right? I didn't know at the time that he was a second year So he was coming from elsewhere So I was sat there in that interview with Harry and flip and Bertie and they asked me questions And I kind of fluffed my way through them and all that kind of stuff And then they accept they said look come along and that was that was my entree to this world That I didn't know it at the time, but it was going to shape so much of my life To walk into a photo school to be taught yes the basics the apertures f stops all that kind of stuff But also being shown that there were other ways of taking photographs That the world of photography was much much much wider than I had any idea of and I am in debt to those Lecturers who would say oh, you know Alex This is something but have you considered looking at this photograph? Have you looked at the that photographer? those students who were next to me who would on one hand They would Then we take the pee out of my work, but we all did you know what students are like We all send everything else is rubbish about some things that we do So on one hand you want to you want to impress and you want to go Do you know I'm gonna fight I'm gonna make it better if you think it's rubbish I'm gonna make it better so they challenged each other to really push on but at the same token Those people were so supportive That we shared a common passion for photography and we fed off each other's enthusiasm for it The first time I was introduced to Sebastio Salgado was when taste brought in I think it was workers put this book on the table and it was just like Wow, look at these epic looking photographs. They're just insane I'd never heard of him I probably wouldn't have heard of him for ages because this was sort of pre-internet days If I've not gone to photo school and because I want to help you Find your own specific goal your path towards being a great photographer That I thought, you know, what can I do to replicate that environment at photo school? And one of the things that then she came out because courses are all you know courses You do a course and you're doing it kind of by yourself. You pay some money. You download some videos and there you go But now Technology has moved on and we're able to have cohort based learning Which is a word that I don't know about you But I hadn't heard up until about like six years ago and now it seems to be everywhere But that's the beauty of the thing. We can put together cohort learning courses And that's what I've done being part of a of a live cohort means that I can help directly More of you at one time the one-to-one mentorships obviously are are fantastic and people get a lot of value from them But my time is limited so I can't unfortunately do those So this I think is a great way to take The basics of what you have Of your amazing photography that is inside you If only you knew how to get it out And take those rough edges polish them off And help you become the photographer that you know That you can be to take the photographs that will Stop people in their tracks and they will just go like wow. How did you see it the best? best piece of Praise I ever got was from A friend of mine who we went driving around South Africa on a road trip I stopped the car once and I jumped out with my little castle black 500c because you know Took a photograph Moved on when she saw the image. She was like oh my god. Like how did you see that? I was standing right next to you and I didn't I didn't see that photograph That to me melts so much that is one of the best things that has ever happened to me in my photography Better than awards and and making four figure sales and stuff like that that Recognition that somebody whose opinion I respect goes Do you know what Alex? You're seeing things that I don't see And I thought that's amazing.  This is about that crucible That I had at photo school that experience of being In a room with people who want to be there who have committed to being there to making an effort To all share the common knowledge I know an awful lot about photography, but I don't know everything I want you to bring your own unique perspectives your favorite photographers your way of approaching problems and ideas To the table so that everybody gets to enjoy this huge Banquet of experience The cohort Is going to start on the 12th of february with the first lesson Being on the 19th now it was limited as I mentioned to 30 spaces, right? That's I think a good number that we can also keep it Into I think my first year class was about 30 students To find out more about the cohort click on the link below and thankful every single day For the ability that I had to meet People my fellow students who encouraged me who were there to knock me down When my ego got too big and they built me up When I was feeling really rubbish about my work about the lecturers who were so generous With their time and their expertise and their knowledge Even when they were confronted with no little art students because you know what art students are like And I I would desperately love to have Your company On this journey as I see what you are capable in your photography of what type of photographer you can become Thank you ever so much for your time. It's been a pleasure to talk to you and I will see you again soon


I'm just introducing things, and then I'll step back. The goal here is really just to have a conversation, so audience participation is required and requested. We have four experts on Wikipedia and we can pick their brains over the course of an hour. We'll provide a little bit of structure though, and I'll start with introductions. So Sarah Barum is Senior Analyst Web Enablement, Government Information Services at Department of Internal Fears. Sarah has been an Information Management Consultant since 2012 and worked in Government online information services since 1983. Mike Dickerson is Curator of Natural History at Whanganui Regional Museum. He taught Digital Literacy at the University of Canterbury's Learning Skills Centre and runs Whanganui Wiki Wednesday, a community Wikipedia group. Courtney Johnson is Director of the Douse Art Museum and a past board member and conference convener of the National Digital Forum. We'll be facilitating the conversation. Stuart Yates is a Wellington-based Wikipedia with more than 10 years' experience editing Wikipedia. He has a day job now looking after a baby who's also here with us. So I won't take up any more time.  Kia ora koutou, everyone, and thank you for coming along. We might just start with a show of hands. Who is an active editor of Wikipedia for their workplace or in relationship to their job? Alright, alright. Who's doing it in their free time or based on interests? Alright, a few more. Who is thinking about a Wikipedia project for home or wanting to learn about how to do it for themselves? Who's nervous about Wikipedia? Alright, and who's here for another reason that I haven't managed to tap? What about for the professional or their institution planning a Wikipedia? Is anyone at an institution that has or is thinking of developing a Wikipedia strategy or project? Alright, we've got a bit of context.  Okay, so I'm Stuart Yates. I have a technical background. And I have a day job doing technical stuff at a tertiary library. I have my Wikipedia home page, user page. And the important thing to notice is down there I have a list of conflicts of interest. So there are two important things really. A list of conflicts of interest and those collection of links there that I use as a convenience. The conflicts of interest statements are very, very important because Wikipedia is trying to be a tertiary source and as soon as you have people who have conflicts of interest, direct interests in particular subjects, you have issues. And the primary way we deal with those is conflicts of interest statements which then feed into a whole lot of other things. I've been doing editing Wikipedia for more than 10 years and mainly I edit biographical stuff and probably most Maori people who aren't sports people and who have biographies on Wikipedia, those were started by me, probably. I haven't done a formal calculation, but because I went through all of the people who were in Dictionary News on Biography and who didn't have Wikipedia articles and created articles for them just to cross that bridge. And I'm currently working on a, well, scoping a project that might do a similar thing with New Zealand legislation going back to the 1840s and all the way to today. And that's 17,000 articles, so that's quite a few. I'll hand on to the next person. Do you want to finish? I have a better way to introduce oneself for Wikipedia than to simply throw up your user page which is, you know, it's a public document which anyone can edit, actually. Please don't. I'll know if you do. That's the thing. That's the great part. And of course I can instantly revert any changes if I don't like them. So I was interested in Wikipedia at the University of Canterbury because students were being told they couldn't use it. Not just cite it, use it. And that seemed ridiculous to me. So I tried to change that attitude amongst lecturers. At the end, people were starting to assign Wikipedia articles as writing assignments for their students, expanding an essay into a stub rather than just writing an essay to hand in. It was a great piece of public writing experience for them because they got to suffer critiques from complete strangers, defend themselves and give references to back up that defence. I continued this when I went to Whanganui here. I am interested in fostering community engagement in Wikipedia because the editors are very much dominated by, you know, white techie males. And so anyone who isn't any of some of those things is really, really encouraged to consider adding your perspective to Wikipedia. We have Wiki Wednesday, which has not been an enormous success in recruiting long-term editors. It's been interesting for people to pop in, make a few edits and then drop out. And this actually is a case with many casual editors. But I'm interested in strategies that will help recruit regular volunteers like any other volunteer project to continue working on Wikipedia. We have just received funding to have a Wikipedia in residence for six weeks and Whanganui to work on Whanganui-related pages, which are dire at the moment. Founded by the City Council, who has suddenly realised that Wikipedia is actually the world's number one way of finding out about Whanganui. So we rather too much mention of Michael Laws and Gains on the page.  And we are organising an editor-thon and all-day Wikipedia workshop in November for River Week to try and encourage people to come out of the woodwork and try their hand at anything. So that's me. Hi, everybody. I don't have two jobs. I'm a consultant. I stopped working at the Department of Internal Affairs in the early 2012. I live in Dunedin and I'd like to say that the Hawken Library is a sort of a spiritual home for me. I had my first proper holiday, school holiday job as a secondary school student, climbing up very high ladders in the old Hawken Wing at the Museum, trying to squeeze more things onto the shelves. So it's been an absolute pleasure, of course, to come back to the Hawken to help try to shape the way that the University of Otago Central Library and the Hawken Collections share the collections that they have with the people that may wish to know about them. And the genesis of the project has certainly come from Sharon Dell, the Hawken Librarian. And she, coming back to Courtney, she heard Courtney talking about her project, I think, later, last year, was it, Courtney? And also she attended a conference relating to the Matareke Humanities Network of about, I think, seven universities where a person from Dartmouth College was talking about going to where the people are just to reflect back what Mike has just said. Wikipedia is a place where people go. They start there very often, as we all know. The other, so measuring one of the aims was to see if, of the project, was to see if, by improving and strengthening the information in Wikipedia articles with connections into the collections online at Otago, was to see if there was any measurable impact on use, so that was certainly also part of the genesis of the project. Another key thing was the launch of the Marsden Online Archive. And I don't know how many people have looked at that online, Marsden.atago.ac.nz. Not off my heart. Just the most extraordinary digitised collection of archived material, Church Mission Society material was fetched back from London by Dr Hawken. And do you want to say tiny bit about that, or you're the person that might know about that? Just how the Church Mission Society material came back to Hawken. Sorry, I missed the first of that. It's all right. It's all right. I'll carry on with that. So I've started editing. I suppose to finish the introductory remarks, because I'll talk about the direct experience that we've had. I think the word might be misunderestimate, and I was quite glad that George W. Bush coined that word, because I came into the project as a Wikipedia novice in effect, and so have very, very much learned on the job, and have been able to, you know, hopefully learn those lessons on behalf of, let's say, other people in this room, because we'll certainly, I'm sure, be sharing the results. Just for example, I talked to Stuart and Mike earlier on and Courtney, and Stuart said to me, that thing he just said about wikipedia is a tertiary source, and so, you know, the use of primary sources is, let's say, forbidden, and Stuart, you won't, I haven't said this to you directly, but I think in the back of my head, I thought, yes, but that can't possibly mean these online, digitised online resources for various reasons that will be really great to talk about, and so that was one of the lessons that we've learned how to address this question of primary sources of archival material, and I think that's, you know, a thing that you'll be interested to hear about. Sorry, that was a little bit long. All right, hi everyone. So so, so, so, so. My wikipedia history goes back a year, exactly. I made my, I think I made a user page sometime last year, but then I actually learnt how to edit wikipedia at a session run by Mike and Stuart as a workshop last year at wikipedia, which I came to with Mackenzie Patton, one of our interns at the DALS, to learn how to do that for a project that we were setting up.  That is one of my personal failings and the failing of the project that we ran, but that's all right. Look, it's got badges. They have these badge things. I added some badges. Yep. All right, so at the DALS we ran a wikipedia project over summer. Who's already familiar with it and doesn't want to be deluged in lots and lots of details? You're all new to it. That's great. Who knows where the DALS is or what the DALS is? All right, that's better. Okay, I'm not good to sense check that. So we were founded in 1971 and we sit in the really productive space between fine art and fine whatever it's called at any particular moment. Applied art, craft, decorative arts, contemporary object making. When I give a speech I try to use all of these terms so that I don't upset anyone by using the ones that they don't like. The DALS has kind of over the period of its lifetime moved somewhat between those two different poles. So it's had periods where it's been very, very craft identified and it's had periods where it's been very, very fine art identified and when that happens it tends to lose some of its stature and relevance and relationships in the area where it's not currently being seen as being very active and you all work in cultural institutions and you all know that a huge part of what we do is relationship maintenance and management and keeping the fires of those relationships warm and that's what this project was actually all about. Oh hey baby, you're okay. So our Wikipedia project we set out to write 100 biographies of New Zealand craft artists on Wikipedia. There were about four things that I was trying to do with this project. One was to partner with a trust who funded the project. They gave us $13,000 to do it and I've spent about nearly $9,000 of that so far. I'm happy to share all the budget and information like that and at some point I will get back up to publishing all of that. So they were set up many, many decades ago to support craft artists. They were winding up the trust and $13,000 was what they had left in their bank account. They wanted someone to pick up their existing website that was made in 2005 and hadn't been updated since that point and run that and I in our proposal said no, we're not going to do that I'm not going to take on another website and then try to maintain it. What we will do is we will use that money to hire two interns one of the real problems in the field of New Zealand's craft history is you can't go to a tertiary institution and study that history and no one is not being actively taught with a tertiary institution so when you're trying to staff an institution like mine and bring in younger professionals who know the history of this part of our art history they're not able to access that history because it's locked up in books and old journals inside of dusty libraries and it's not being kept alive so bringing through to new young researchers was kind of one of my second level aims of the project was just as important to me to actually writing those biographies writing the biographies was about trying to improve the visibility and the relevance of those artists we focused on post World War II artists New Zealand artists who may have worked overseas is a bookbinder for example called Edgar Mansfield who was a very influential 20th century bookbinder of New Zealand birth who also returned here at the end of his career so he was one of the people and our thing we went from Levi Bergstrom who made wooden spoons through to a bookbinder through to potters and jewellers so people who you might more naturally associate with New Zealand's craft history it was about just making those people available again and online there's a lot of written material written print material but it hasn't been put online the second part of the project which we're undertaking now publication, digitisation very much inspired by Tim and the work that he's done at Christchurch Art Gallery to put that I get my primaries and my secondaries confused occasionally so I think it's primary material primary secondary ish I know the distinction but I sometimes get confused when it comes to art stuff so putting that stuff online and the other thing that I wanted to achieve was two things maybe two things I wanted to achieve with the project was renewing some of our relationships in the craft sector and making sure that the craft sector felt cared about by the DOS by us putting our energy and attention into them that's kind of the truest thing you can do to show that you care about a community is devote your energy to them and also to try to move along some conversations about what it means to be on the internet as an artist and particularly around releasing images of your work in such a way that we can put them into Wikipedia and that is another part the second half of the project that we're doing which is going to be about going out to artists and asking them if we can upload images of their work into Wikimedia Commons so that we can put them onto Wikipedia pages of course in order to put them in the Commons they have to be public demand public demanded they have to relinquish all of their copyright claims over those images all of them and that is quite a new conversation so we're embarking on a really big conversation at the moment with artists about copyright and reproducing their images online and I've got a whole other talk about that that I might say about for next year once I've got some more thinking around it so the project was really really successful Bridget and Mackenzie were awesome they did awesome work I the eight and a half, nine thousand dollars that we've spent doesn't account for any of my time and I put in a vast amount of time more than I should have I should have been spending more time probably being a director rather than satisfying my geeky love of it was just so nice to use my art history degree for once you know to actually get to use this body of knowledge and put it somewhere where people might actually look at it was incredibly satisfying and I have continued even though we're kind of we're now just adding information as it pops up to those pages rather than creating lots of new pages but I found that I went off over my Christmas break and wrote about another 30 pages of my own that I felt needed to be made particularly around women artists from the 70s and 80s who have disappeared from the conversation and that's just my personal kind of commitment to that area we also have run two editathons we took part in the art and feminism editathon that was fascinating that's all up on our blog, our findings from that they are completely unpredictable but really wonderful events and then we ran one during Matariki last this year focused on Māori and Pacific artists Bridget Riawesie who's one of the two interns who worked on the project has become sort of a bit of a Wikipedia editathon go-to girl so she went and worked with Playmarket on one that was around New Zealand Theatre to work on, she's helping Rape Crisis I think out actually Wellington Rape Crisis has approached her to help run a editathon around she was telling me last night it's completely gone out of my head but I just they're going to get a whole lot of old newspaper articles and use them to inform articles about something or rather that was really interesting at the time and it's completely slipped my mind but I thought that was fascinating that someone who's come through doing this in an art gallery is now being approached by a social justice social service institution to do this work so the things that we didn't do particularly well and I'm just talking for ages because I'm handing this over to these guys to critique so I'm basically doing this set up and then I'm going to try to be quiet for a while is and Stuart can talk about this particularly we were very bad at the back end of Wikipedia do you want something Mike? It would be great if we could see some of the articles or a link to the project maybe start with the project page and then click through to show a typical entry so here you go here is a project page that Stuart made for us because I'm useless and I don't know how to do these things so this was so helpful I had no idea there's the easy peasy bit of Wikipedia which I felt really comfortable in and it's the immediately satisfying part of Wikipedia and then there's like there's more of them and there really are cane and there's all this back end and I just get it wrong so I focus on the easy peasy stuff so here's our list of artists here's Stuart did this amazing table I'm pointing at the screen with the artists who were identified and sources of material on them because he can do things like that and I can't or I could if I tried harder but I don't have enough time so I settle for the easy wins here are some of the pages that we created Arita Wilkinson is a contemporary jeweler she's got an exhibition on at the Douse at the moment Malcolm Harrison was a very well known textile artist he was quite remarked upon for being a leading male textile artist when we still gentified all of these things Kobe Bossard is my bae I love Kobe so much he's one of my heroes he is a contemporary New Zealand jeweler who now lives in Middlemarch he played a really large hand in shaping what is contemporary jewelry so that was one of the other lovely things for me I felt like I got to shine a light on people who I really care about and people whose careers I really care about which leads me really nicely into the other major problem with the project as we ran it which is conflict of interest so conflict of interest is a core tenant of Wikipedia and and there's an official statement on it somewhere do you want to drive? I'll try alright you find that I'll move over here a little bit so there's an official statement on that and I feel like our project run by three people employed by a museum that specialises in producing exhibitions of these artists' work who collects these artists' work who is publicly funded to work with these artists probably played very very close to the line when it comes to the conflict of interest statement because we are inextricably funded in the careers of these artists on the flip side of that no one else was doing it and no one else has the knowledge well not that no one else has the knowledge but we had the motivation and the knowledge so I kind of discounted the importance of the conflict of interest stuff which true Wikipedians hold very very dear and I emphasised the value of just getting stuff done and knew that the community would come in and correct us if we were doing anything that was really flagrantly wrong but what but what we did do was we tried not to write it from the point of view of the Dauce so the Dauce was an incidental part of these artists' careers so of course if they had exhibitions at the Dauce or they were in our collection then that was mentioned and it's been very I will admit to shaping the list of artists that we picked a little in order to align well with our collection because we're just about to start a collection online project and what I want to do is suck these biographies through from Wikipedia and present them inside our online collection so that I don't have to maintain that information ourselves because we can't afford to I have a staff of 18, I have two curators two collection managers two 18 to 24 temporary exhibitions a year and manage a collection of 4,000 objects and I'm in charge of community art and another museum, I have two museums and I have a theatre as well so I don't be having time to manage all of that stuff so we tried to act with integrity and we tried to be even and open-handed but I think if you closely examined the work that we did and we hadn't had Mike and Stuart there kind of shepherding us through the project and contributing their Wikipedia mana to us a lot of our early articles would have probably been deleted by people who saw this as being too closely tied and Stuart himself has a history of going through and deleting things that he considers to be conflict of interest and he is doing his Wikipedia and duty in doing so I for example endorse the deletion of a couple of months ago a page about a staff member here at Tapa on the basis that I agreed with the argument that they were not what's the word what's the fancy word for not important enough not notable someone has been doing a lot of work on a particular high school and writing page after page after page about people who attended that high school this particular staff member came up because I really like him as a person but you don't actually warrant a page sorry sorry there's a whole world of people who don't warrant a page until their bits are published and you'll notice that lots of dictionaries of biography don't actually just living people because the power of the obituary is enormous a lot of stuff a lot of stuff the people are awesome for Wikipedia they're great alright so that was our project those are two things but in general I'm really happy it was really successful we expected more when we started the project we were you did a little picture of it I was terrified of the Wikipedia community I just had a mental picture of them being those trolls in the world and that this was going to be painful embarrassing discouraging and potentially somewhat damaging for these two younger professionals who I was working with and that wasn't true at all and that might just be because no one cares that much about New Zealand craft artists compared to Star Wars or Israel like frankly they are low risk areas to be dabbling in so I would really encourage people to not overrate the risk to their personal well-being by getting involved in Wikipedia but there are definitely ways that you'll do it and it will be good and ways that you can do it and it won't be good and that's where I'm going to hand over Stuart and Mike because I think they can continue on that point and then we will stop talking very shortly and give you guys a chance to ask questions or offer your own observations any questions on the conflict of interest listing there I'm interested in where the line is between a conflict between I'm interested in where the line is between a conflict in a person and a conflict in a concept that you adhere to or support so something that you're invested in in a research capacity or whatever there's no conflict there, it's only when it's about people there's a conflict anywhere conflicts of interest go from unpleasantness in the Middle East or Korean Peninsula through to I declare conflicts of interest with my grandfather whose article I contributed to and my father's article which I wrote by Wave Awake so it ranges from the whole from the international scale to the personal scale I would disagree to some extent and that if you look at the and because it's really important for panel discussions of people to actually disagree about things rather than just say you're wonderful, no you are and Stuart is wonderful but I interpret it more narrowly and saying that the biggest problem in conflict of interest is people trying to make their own Wikipedia page or edit their own Wikipedia page or edit the page of their institution which affects all of us we can't go and create a Wikipedia page for our institution if it's not there because we, even though we are of course morally pure and scrupulous human beings the appearance of conflict of interest is just as important as any actual bias we have to be hands off and we're writing about the public face of our institution or because people will simply interpret us as probably writing biased marketing rubbish and so we actually so we have this ridiculous situation sometimes where I go to the sergeant and say hey your Wikipedia page needs work you know, the museum page needs work too you want to help that? I'll do yours if you do mine and it's a bit ridiculous really isn't it but the biggest problem in conflict of interest is where you have a personal stake in something, a serious personal stake where you're writing about your employer and you don't have complete freedom to say anything you like or even all the truth about that subject if you are restricted in some way if you would get in trouble or lose your job if you said everything that's true about an institution or a place or a person then you have a conflict of interest that's probably the most serious and important areas where it occurs and it affects all of us in that way but so what then is there a commercial interest in a product or a concept or something surely that's a much more dangerous conflict but it's not covered by this the commercial ones are actually much less dangerous because they're really really really obvious but yeah it's still heavily prevalent that's two seconds work for me to delete your last six weeks work sure but that's resultant on you coming across it so my point here is I'm unclear why the Conflict of Estatement simply says it's about people when concepts are much more problematic than people in that regard I would argue I don't know I think the external relationship and the financial relationship it's really well covered the biggest problems in Wikipedia are people trying to make pages to promo their own stuff or B, folks who are working commercially as Wikipedia editors and PR people to beef up the Wikipedia pages of someone who pays them to do it and that's been the subject of a huge amount of scandal and soul searching in Wikipedia recently which Stuart probably knows more about than me anyway I'll sit down so there's another question there right okay I guess this kind of speaks to the inherent instability of Wikipedia because you know I have this philosophy that there's three types of truth there's his truth, there's her truth and then there's somewhere in the middle also because I am a librarian and I build and curate collections particularly around non-fiction I think it's really important to present to almost 360 degree perspective on a subject when you're going in and deleting material you're actually removing part of that 360 degree perception what do you think about that so we should keep libel in there pardon so we should keep libel in there I'm asking you that question we struggle to be a tertiary source and anything that doesn't look like a tertiary source will get removed it may not be removed for six months or six years but it will get removed eventually and we have gone through and deleted the entire contributions of editors with years of work because they were found to have conflicts of interest or systematic copyright abuse so one of the things that Stuart is saying here is that you don't put anything new on Wikipedia everything that you put on Wikipedia I thought of it as sentence by sentence referencing every sentence I wrote on Wikipedia had a reference to something that was published elsewhere and that can be very frustrating when you know better or you know that there's more but that was the approach that I took I never make a statement that can't be linked directly to a source that explicitly supports that so never where ever possible I got into some trouble but earlier on I can be a little florid and I wrote some slightly florid because I was talking about art and it has aesthetic qualities and when you talk about aesthetic qualities you use into scribing words but not on Wikipedia so I got a couple of weasel word accusations and remedyed my way so now I use other people's description words and quotes and a lot of direct quotes in my articles so that I'm not trying to describe what John Parker's pots look like or what Carl Fritch's rings look like I let someone else carry that weight for me it's not my result it's not my job I'm trying as hard as I can not to make assertions whilst being very conscious that my act of writing this page is an assertion in itself so there you go that's cognitive dissonance in Wikipedia in one sentence and some of the examples I recently wrote I recently spent some time trying to balance New Zealand academic biographies for gender and race and I was trying to find examples of gay, lesbian or transsexual academics and I found a lot of people who were to my eyes clearly gay or lesbian or bisexual or what are different not heteronormative you know that'd be my editor of the Journal of Lesbian Studies but unless they had somewhere that they were lesbian I couldn't make that inference and it is insanely frustrating because you have it's clear from their persona you've met them they're campers at a row of tents but unless you have a reliable source that says they have the gender identification and you can cite that source you can't use it maybe if we just hold your questions for two seconds and you make your point what I was going to do was illustrate some of this with some examples of what we've done with the Otago University project if I may so we came up against this issue around the use of primary sources which not a good thing for Wikipedia we came up against this and we were a little bit I suppose we were taken aback to be honest so we sort of regrouped and very much Stuart and the rest of the panel certainly allowed us to think of some different ways that we could in effect achieve some of the purposes of the project so what I'm going to show you how I do that is that working we so I'm going to start with Samuel Marston because we have you may want to make the screens for me control minus that's alright hopefully I can remember these all off my heart now while Sarah's typing I'll explain a little bit about the presentation of Samuel Marston's original letters and diary she used a couple as references to make a statement in Wikipedia about where Marston was and what he was doing on a particular day and then gave the reference to that page in the Diary of Archives but that's using a primary source like Marston's diary which may or may not be accurate and so that's why Wikipedians get antsy about using primary sources to back up statements in Wikipedia to review articles after they've been filtered through a fair few layers of historicism and criticism in academic writing because those things are probably more reliable than just relying on primary sources however there is a role for primary sources I think and Wikipedia I so don't agree with that totally let's do this first so just one example so we sort of went round in a couple of small circles can't get it to work I'll just have to page down and sorry and we did add as you'll see right at the bottom we added a link to the Marston online archive as an external link so that was one of the one of the more important things that we did sort of following on the other thing we did was this was particularly a recommendation of mikes to think about the use of images and adding images that the Hocken owned to Wikimedia Commons in a way that can be used as sources for articles and Anna Blackman who you may know of curator of archives at the Hocken we've actually got this image in the archives that shows Samuel Marston that is an not well known image it looks like a man that could be sort of dashing from backwards and forwards between Australia and New Zealand and planting grape vines and being everywhere at once compared to this image potentially so we added that image into the Wikimedia Commons and then have used it in the article so that was just one example of that changed use just if I may just say a little bit more about the Commons question what we are working on doing at the moment as we're building up there's a William Fox sketchbook in the Hocken collections and we're going to add a representative sample of those images into Wikimedia Commons we're going to try and do it geographically spread as we possibly can for New Zealand and those images will then be free use for anybody and so those are the sorts of slightly different tax that one of the examples of the slightly different tax that we've taken with the project so I'll stop for the moment I just wanted to ask a question about if Wikimedia wants to be a tertiary resource and you've written about artists if someone who works in a cultural interest institution has written about an artist for whom they hold an object in their institution I would have thought that would be one of the best people to write about that artist and given that you've had this input are you satisfied that you guys have stayed out of trouble and what you've come up with as a workable model? Yeah I think we're clean and what we did is the difference between us and the Otago project and why our path was very smooth and yours has been rockier is that our project purposefully started out to not be about us it's not about the douse the douse benefits but my central tenant is to create more value create more value for your community than you try to capture directly to yourself and that way value will accrue around you so our project was not about trying to drive traffic to the douse's website we didn't even have our collection online so pointless it was about trying to raise the profile of those artists and so I wrote several pages about I created pages for other galleries and important dealer galleries and stuff that we didn't have that we needed in order to create those kind of wikipedia link circles and in that way I think we kept up we kept down noses clean and I do stuff like I have quite a big crush on Chris Salisby the typographer like quite a big crush and he was on the radio in the weekend talking to Kim Hill you should totally listen to that if you haven't already thank you so I went and updated his page on wikipedia and I think that's the conflictier of interest because I know Chris a little bit and I think he's amazing and I wanted to make his page better who knows a friend of mine, Rowan Simpson wrote the blog post that started off the whole red peak thing and we were talking about wikipedia and he was like my name's not even on the page and I was like I can fix that for you so I'm writing pages about my friends but I trust myself actually I trust my intentions, I trust my education and I trust my knowledge of the situation I think trusting your professional in-states we're all trained here in some cultural institution some cultural whether they're librarians or archivists or museum people you know if you stay true to those core principles you can't go wrong and as a I've got a postgrad in history and I got very interested in oral history and what that showed and a lot of people were very upset about it because as you probably know in oral histories you get lots of contradictions and actually you get changed stories if you change the environment you actually get a whole different story and so which one was true and I had various colleagues arguing that their version of the notes that they took when they had interviewed these people and yet I had these oral histories which pointed to other truths about this person and so I thought so I got very interested in how you write about these people because I thought you know I had the truth on them but I didn't I had all these contradictions that were coming up throughout the oral histories and so I realised that there are many truths to people and that the ones I pick on reflect me and the ones other people pick on reflect them and so the only thing I could really do in publishing these biographies on these women there were a group of women mountaineers in New Zealand in the early 1900s was to reflect my own bias and who I am and why I'm interested in them and that would justify me writing about the way I wrote about them I completely agree two things first if you write about them and be clear about the manner in which you're writing about them don't do it under false pretenses don't say this is their entire life when you're only writing about the mountaineering and the other thing is as Wikipedia goes international huge problems with oral cultures where the entire history is oral can anyone tell me what are secondary sources in oral culture so basically the entire primary secondary tertiary concept is based on the print technology so Wikipedia is looking at ways that one can cite oral traditions and oral accounts as legitimate sources and pages for this very reason and it's even worse in cultures where you have one language for a small facet of the culture i.e. church culture if it's a western church and all the rest of the culture is oral all your written sources are only about one aspect of the culture and there are only about yeah history already has to be visible to be put into Wikipedia so i mean that's the other role that we play is writing those next level accounts so that they can go in and i am so grateful to Teata NZ History the Long Biographies on Tapa's website in my case any art collecting institution that took the time to write two paragraphs about anything or anyone who has encouraged a bit so what i found was when i published these articles on these women was that there was a huge argument about who should be in and who shouldn't be and so it was interesting it was controversial i suppose it always is going to be but it would be nice if Wikipedia could be structured in a way that could support the differing stories or the different truths that make us up because it makes it interesting right we can then all find something to identify with i just don't know if Wikipedia is exactly like i'm just thinking on the fly here and i don't know if it's the place for thrashing out differing truths or at least that's where the history page on any page on Wikipedia is for and again i've had to jump in the talk page i've had to jump in and defend my creation of pages occasionally and sometimes that's about you haven't written enough yet and someone's just come in an immediate delete and you're like no wait i'm getting to the good stuff can i talk about another example of where the project is possibly going one of the suggestions again that Mike made in the June or so was to try to work on the Samuel Marnston article and bring it up to what was known in Wikipedia terminology as a featured article standard so those are the articles how many would you say they're asked to do it they're not that many are they it's less than 1% of the articles and traditionally it was the same level as Britannica it's evolved since then as Britannica's evolved but is that kind of this is a comprehensive traditional Wikipedia article so we as it was scavenged about and have found two history experts Marnston experts who may be able to help us with that article one is Professor Tony Valentine who's just become a PVC Humanities in Targo who did a lot of work on the Marnston article himself and another who's an admin sharp who's currently writing a biography now so that's it's the doom of an idea because there time to do those sort of things is let's say limited but Tony is particularly interested and we may be talking about this next week what it's sort of potentially moving towards even further is and again we're really exploring this as an idea is a collaborative effort between Targo University Library Hoblin Connections and potentially faculty about strengthening and improving the quality of articles now there's all manner of potential let's say pit bulls but but I really think that's something that we're pursuing a little bit, not leastable because it probably will tease out a lot of issues about what we're at university this university in particular these family members are thinking about what does the Wikipedia or provide now so that's going to be quite interesting to test. We've got 10 more minutes so I want to make sure that if people have got questions they get a chance to get them out. Mine's more of a I was really interested yet no I've been terrible aren't I but I was actually just concerned to hear all you lovely people who I respect greatly saying I trust myself as a curator and as a researcher to make the right decisions I come from a place where I spend every six weeks training PhD students in implicit bias so that we can try and break down the particularly bad gender problems in physics in the beginning and then get to some other places next and I'm just wondering what conversations Wikipedians have around implicit bias and we all here in this room have them it's a fact yeah so that's just that's my question it is a question we have comprehensive conversations and what you will find is that no matter what article you create you will not be the only editor I've created 1700 articles no it must be I'm missing a decimal place there a lot of articles, thousands of articles and none of them are only my creation they all have third-party input and it's a question of getting a greater diversity of editors editing and that is the core challenge is the total lack of diversity in Wikipedia editors and that was one of the tiny little things that our project it's not like it's hard to hire women in the humanities but at the same time it was good to bring two young women into Wikipedia because and that's just the beginning of the diversity mountain bringing more women and that's the whole point of the art and feminism thing but I completely agree with you on the understanding or even knowing where the boundaries of your privilege end but I will probably stick to it's if you're doing it in good heart it's better to do something than be so concerned that you do nothing because I'm concerned now with the project that I'm working on around women scientists in New Zealand that I have to now make sure they've all got massive amounts of secondary sources which nobody else seems to care if anyone wants to write about women scientists in the 19th and 20th century please do because then I can create Wikipedia articles I would actually rather write about that than about giant flightless birds in which whenever I look at an article I go oh my god there's so much here that is still debatable and being argued and I find it so much more refreshing and easy to move to an area slightly outside my own heartfelt discipline where I can more objectively read the literature and write about stuff I decided to pick up on that comment about the relationship between primary and secondary sources not having that much experience with creating Wikipedia entries the comment related to one being preferred over the other secondary over primary but surely the concept of it is all about just acknowledging your sources and surfacing sources and letting the user use it aside right so then my question is secondary sources which have all the biases inherent in humans preferred as citation over primary sources which are the core root of the secondary of the secondary source let me pose you a hypothetical question if you were writing about New Zealand history would you use any secondary source before 1917 yes of course you would you would use combinations of sources primary and secondary we know almost well studies since the Murray Renaissance have shown that pretty much all of the sources basically it's only biased before about then and if someone would add sources from that period about New Zealand history I would certainly raise that as an issue because the government basically lied about so many things so many of the interested parties have undercleared conflicts of interest of time that have remained basically I think what's coming out here are the biases inherent in that let the sources speak for themselves and let the users just decide and use their critical faculties let's make a new Wikipedia so you want secondary school students to have critical faculties when they read the encyclopedia and that's who we're aiming at we're not aiming at us we're aiming at 10-year-old, 12-year-old, 13-year-old kids and journalists sorry 5-year-olds no that's me on that point too though I think it's an interesting point where historiography is relevant about how something has been represented over time is still legit in terms of referencing that kind of stuff and I think you couch it in those terms and there's certainly been bits that I've written where it was like, at this point, this was said at that point, this was said but it is this interesting, challenging thing because you can imagine a sentence that says from his perspective he thought he was doing this that it would make a lot of sense to reference the actual source where that person had said that yes if you're editing in medicine the standard is 5 years so you need a review article in the last 5 years before you say anything and that's fairly strongly enforced and I think it's important to bring a little bit of nuance because I see both points if I was restricted to material published in the last 5 years I wouldn't have been able to do my project because the material does not exist just because it's old doesn't mean it's been doesn't mean it's wrong and also doesn't mean it's been outdated by following on stuff because it's not always following on stuff Interested in what you were saying, Steve about the audience Thank you Thank you Interested in the comment about who the audience is I mean, is it genuinely genuinely writing articles for 12, 13, 14, 15 year olds? Because I use Wikipedia all the time and if I hit articles that were pitched at that level it would be dead to me it doesn't exist So the idea is that we lead the reader through the subject and so the lead, the first paragraph should be comprehensible to every high school student that's 12 year old, 13 year old that kind of age But there's simple Wikipedia which is the kind of dumbed-down version of Wikipedia or what's the relationship though You'd have to ask them I've never read this That's a goal and obviously in some areas particularly technical areas the articles are written to a much higher level and whether you want them to have a comprehensible first paragraph or not it's debatable but that is a goal to make the articles understandable by surely students, why not I think it's like when you talk about writing more labels for a 12 year old there's a difference between writing for a reading age of 12 and writing for a 12 year old's perspective on the world and I am writing for an adult perspective on the world but I am trying to keep it as simply couched as possible We've probably got time for one or two more questions I don't want people to not get stuff out If your questions, we don't have time for your questions you saw our user pages before Google us on Wikipedia or whatever find us, ask us questions We're all around, happy to ask questions I've got maybe a final question The nature of encyclopedia This discussion about primary secondary sources really folds back to what is an encyclopedia and Stuart you've mentioned that it's a tertiary source Does that sort of cut to the crux of this panel of what Wikipedia Editing is about because the nature of an encyclopedia goes back to the Enlightenment it's got a rich definition attached to it No one's sure that it's going to last either There are different arguments out there that Wikipedia is dying on the vine No, I disagree Wikipedia is 15 years old now and they were arguing about how long it's going to last from the year after it was created It's certainly outlasted Britannica The information Wikipedia can be pulled down saved and reused by anyone for any purpose Even if Wikipedia pulled the plug tomorrow on all servers, everything in it is archived and could then be simply relaunched by someone else Regardless of what happens to Wikipedia which isn't a very happy stable state the corpus that it's created is now by default the summary of the world's knowledge or the number one resolved on Google or whatever you want to call it and it's just simply going to continue to be built on because no one else has come up with anything approaching it So do you think that regardless of the various issues associated with Wikipedia that Wikipedia now defines what an encyclopedia is? There's a school of thought that says we should essentially buy out Britannica and maintain it No, as a mirror because when there's only one thing it's hard to get a perspective Well, you look at what Tiara and the 1965 encyclopedia and so you can go back and see what New Zealand thought of New Zealand in 1965 and that's actually really valuable to be able to see our changing perspectives on ourselves No, they're not There's a very interesting discussion which we don't have time for and we would love to talk about the differences between something like Tiara supported encyclopedia and an encyclopedia like Wikipedia the strengths and the minuses of each but that's another day We should have thought of that at the start of the hour Thank you so much everyone it was really nice to have so many questions


Yeah, we're at the track covering the sport of Kings coming up in a packed presentation this week Sprint ace Domina's DQ'd after winning the Barbados feature at the Garrison Savannah In Jamaica champion trainer Jason the Costas Philly too hot for her rivals in the Kaz Hosey trophy a Colony leading 14th stakes win at Canada's Woodbine for jockey Patrick Cousbins his barbarian colleague Ra'shawn Lachman also grabbing some steak spotlight at Charleston in West Virginia and we recap two massive events shown live on Sportsmax The six million dollar breeders classic in California and Australia's richest race the Melbourne Cup Plus the weekly stats on Caribbean success on the North American continent our opening story from Barbados We're a fit-looking Dominus paraded ahead of Friday's main event as racing resumed at the Garrison Savannah after a seven-week break Dominus the three-horse a two-to-one second favorite for the US $11,000 welcome back feature fairly competitive betting for the five and a half furlong sprint number one Bode tap at five to one as is the two-horse sir Jimmy number four Ziko is at seven to two five Jocular the eight to five favorite and number seven show the money is at four to one Neil Gale in the Combox calling a predictable front-running show by Dominus They've done the opening quarter in 26 and four and it is Dominus still in front now by a length and a half make it two lengths Joculars train her her level best to get there then comes on yesterday's Bode tap as they come with just about a furlong One and a half to go and it is Dominus in front Nobody about two three lengths and trying to widen as they swing to the judge and it is in front Dominus The others will have no response, but it is Dominus in front. It will dominate spin it. Yes He will he will win this quite well Easily done well done Dominus Celebration though for Dominus short lived the stewards after a look at this incident where Dominus shuts off this rail Move by Bode tap is disqualified And placed second the 2020 Sander Lane Gold Cup runner-up behind a night prowler Bode tap gets a fourth garrison Savannah win Promoted to first with the jockey Leicester Edwards his third win this aboard Bode tap for trainer Remel Lavel and 2023 Sander Lane Gold Cup winning owner Mark Goodrich Andrew Nunes disappointment as Dominus's trainer coming after he had won the previous race the play park handicapped seventh race with his six-year-old Guelding undisputed topping a good field that included former trip across winner people's champ and Nilos who won the 2022 tango at stakes Ricky Walcott and the yellow cap on one of his three winners on the evening Fending off the mild challenge of Rapunzel's dream To score by two and three quarter lengths at three to one odds for ex-champion trainer Nunes on disputed clocks 144 60 for the 7.8 furlong trip for his fifth career win and first in just over two years Jamaica's came minus park card Saturday feature the Casio shade trophy six furlong sprint run in honor of the brilliant 1982 horse of the year a big field of 14 here including the favorite Duke and second favorite Madeline sunshine both having run some good races So far this year, but each with just one win in 2023 ace commentator Brown Rickman picks them up coming off the final bend as you're about to arrive at the 516th Madeline sunshine attempting to go gate to wire with that lead turning for home stepping just off the rail The ban is closest to it on the outside here comes the favorite Duke the gray But it is still Madeline sunshine bounding along inside the final 316th And now the stick comes out in the left hand of Action pack rayon louis and it's Madeline sunshine Streaking away from them being chased all the while by the ban and juke race car is warmed up out wide But Madeline sunshine will not be caught and will take the Casio shade by maybe five lengths The ban is second Carlton Watson's US bread Madeline sunshine uses her telling speed to dominate here closing a triple four leading Jockey rayon Louis enjoying his best day in the saddle since his September 16 five timer Madeline sunshine by five and three quarter lengths over the nine to two bet LeBan clocking 113 for the six furlong Casio shade willing trainer Jason the Costa just won away now from 100 winners this year 73 in Jamaica and 26 in the USA And don't forget we have big prep races for December's moot a mile coming up this weekend at K Manus Park including the Jamaica Cup which will be live on Sportsmax now to that Patrick husband story from Canada no rider so far this season has more stakes wins at Toronto's woodbind and the 50 year old Barbadian and here's how he won number 14 Husbands in owner Gary Barber's pink silks aboard the 41-bit with waters ran about to leave the rail for his winning run in The Mazurine Stakes for two-year-old Phyllis mystic lake triple Lena bit for his ran the inside then uphill dance and mystic lake still in front Here comes a bit for his ran Electric move off the inside by Patrick husbands as spurred into the front triple Lena chasing But Vitt vort as Rand is running away with a Mazurine stakes in magnificent fashion and had a lot left one by three Husbands has so many records in Canadian racing other Caribbean jocks a meal ram Sammy of TNT and Jamaican Georgia sang had won The Mazurine before but no rider even close to husbands with a record eight wins now in the event Wit waters ran by two or three quarter lengths in her second win in three starts for husbands and champion trainer Mark Cassie defeating the favorite triple Lena and the clocking 143 72 for eight and a half furlongs The Barbadian jockey Rashawn Lachman is having one of his best seasons in the USA 77 wins so far Three stakes victories and all of those added money successes up or the fillet direct the cat And here's the latest coming in Saturdays James and Eleanor Casey Memorial Stakes at Charleston in West Virginia Pretty much gate to wire on the 32 year old Beijing jock direct the cat Rashawn Lachman just took a confident look over his shoulder and he gives her her cue and she is strutting her stuff again She continues her dominance over the West Virginia bread ranks direct the cat Cruises in the James and Eleanor Casey Memorial does it by seven as one to nine favorite direct the cat makes it look so easy for her third consecutive stakes win following up on the Rachel's turnstakes in September and the West Virginia Breeders classic stakes in mid-October Lachman aboard direct the cat by seven and a half lengths locking 12601 for the seven furlong James and Eleanor Casey Memorial one of three wins for Lachman in the past week at Charleston where fellow Barbadian Kimar Trotman had four wins including a Saturday double One of World Racing's richest meets the two-day Breeders Cup festival was in California this past weekend at Santa Anita Park The main event the Breeders Cup classic worth six million US dollars And it provided a solid win for a horse that you've seen here before on at the track Previous to trade by Barbadian staff a Joseph white a barrio was the Florida Derby winner last year for Safi and the Great Colts on the outside here is en route to a massive win in the classic shown live Saturday on Sportsmax Safi Joseph lost the white a barrio to new trainer Richard Dutrow in May in a bizarre sequence of events Safi had two horses die unexpectedly in the week of the Kentucky Derby at Churchill Downs where the authorities crashed Joseph's entries from races That week and suspended him the New York Racing Association Subsequently wouldn't accept stakes nominations from Joseph either so white a barrio needed a new trainer the suspension which Joseph insisted was on fear because Instigations had not served up evidence of wrongdoing was lifted weeks later by the way But by then the owners had taken white a barrio to Dutrow because they wanted to race in Belmont's Metropolitan mile in early June Why to barrio is the 5 to 2 favorite in the Breeders Cup classic winning by a length on the jockey irad or tis jr. Beating the 26 to 1 Japanese entry dermis Soto Gake and clocking 20287 for 10 furlongs. I Should tell you that Safi Joseph had two third-place finishes on Saturday's Breeders Cup day card with his four-year-olds the Philly Three witches in the Philly and Mir sprint and skip along stocking in the dirt mile Let's head to Australia now. Shall we for the Melbourne Cup worth eight million Aussie dollars 23 runners going two miles and so many of them had a shot at victory heading into the homestretch What a race it was the world in Australia stops for the Melbourne Cup and let's pause to show where the winner came from Jockey Mark Zara in the yellow sills in about 13th position here trying to find a way through In front After winning the Melbourne Cup last year aboard gold trip who was a 92 bet to repeat Zara chose without a fight as his mount this year and is vindicated with his decision as he wins and gold trip finishes 17th Without a fight shows. He's Australia's best stare. He clocks 3 1837 for the two mile Melbourne Cup Zara also becomes the first jockey in 44 years to win back-to-back Melbourne Cups on different horses Our usual week Italian wins for Caribbean racing men in the USA and Canada before we go in the past week since our last show I've counted 32 victories among them the Barbadian trainer Safi Joseph junior with four weekend wins at Florida's Gulfstream Park Barbadian rocker boy and wrote five winners four of them at Mahoning Valley Veteran Jamaican jockey Barrington Harvey had a triple on Sunday at Los Alamitos And there are two wins at Laurel Park for the Jamaican trainer former jockey Joseph with it We've been at the track covering top stories and exciting races in the sport of Kings Check us out again next week


The end goal isn't supposed to be anything in particular. The end goal could be sleeping with lots of women. The end goal could be getting to date lots of women so that you learn about the type of woman you actually want in your life. The end goal could be the quality of women because you actually wanna find a woman who you would like to settle down with. It doesn't actually matter what the end goal is because the metrics that you use are gonna change. They're gonna be different depending on what you're after. Like I said, you use the same system if you're trying to make a sale or if you're trying to build business or if you're trying to meet girls. So no, it doesn't actually matter what you're after but this is not designed just to get lays or just to get makeouts or just to get dates. It's designed to get more of whatever it is that you actually want. You just gotta measure the things that matter for that outcome. All right, we have another question here. Is systematizing the greatest parallel between sales and dating? That's an incredibly good question. Is it the biggest parallel? You know, that's a really hard question to answer because I've never actually sat down and tried to list out what the biggest parallels are. I think it's one of the biggest lessons that sales has to give us. It's up there with the top five. I can't tell you if it's the biggest or not but it's definitely, it's been one of the most influential in my success, my personal development and the development that I have with guys that I work with. How has this process improved other areas of your life? Wow. Yeah, that's a really good question. Well, obviously I use this exact process in... Actually, you know, this process, I didn't learn this process from trying to get better with women. In fact, I use it in a far more profound part of my life. I started off in my early years after my first relationship with a serious anxiety disorder that led to horrible crippling depression and I was trapped in my room for a number of months and I developed, well, developed, I stole this basic way of thinking to actually coach myself to get out of my room and start being a normal human being. It never started about women or about girls or about business. So it's, to that effect, that was the first area that I started using it. How did I do that? I actually measured my emotional state six times a day. I just made a note of it and what was happening and I'd try something new every week. I'd try exercising or I'd try meditating and I'd try, because we were awful judges of how we feel, how we think about the last week is really just dictated by how we feel right now. So I actually measured it six times a day, just set an alarm and that was how I started testing and measuring consistently what worked and what didn't. I credit that massively with escaping out of my bedroom with my anxiety. So that's been a really, really big one outside of business as well, yeah. Would working in a pushy sales job be a good way to learn cold approach? Yes, yes it is. I'm not a fan of the pushy salesman. Actually I don't think sales is supposed to be pushy at all so I'm not sure that I'm 100% eager on that term, pushy salesman, but any sales role where you have to do the approach, where you have to approach someone, yeah. Because it teaches you a couple of things. It teaches you not only how to handle and deal with rejection, which is rough. Every salesman has to go through it, but it also teaches you how to see the bigger picture. Now if you understand, look I'm gonna approach this girl and she may reject me, she may not, but I know that if I talk to 10 girls who I really like, I know that seven of them are likely to wanna talk to me. Or in sales, if I approach 10 people to sell them something, I know at least two of them are gonna buy from me. You start to realize, eh, you get rejection, but you get the good stuff and the rejection is just a step along that journey to getting what you like, if that makes sense. It's an important thing that you learn with sales. You said that this was one of the top five so I'm curious to what the other four you have in mind. Ooh, with sales? Sales parallels? Sales, yeah, sales parallels. Well I mean, I've kinda mentioned two of them here which was one was learning to deal with rejection and learning to see the big picture. Boy, now I'm on the spot and jet lagged. I couldn't give you another two straight off my head. My brain is just not functioning 100%. But there are, I mean, there are a massive number of parallels between sales and dating relationships. Probably learning to be persistent is a really big one. If you, for example, you gotta learn to hear know a lot of times, right? With girls, you're gonna hear know a lot. Know in a lot of different types of contexts. And sales, the same thing, know in a lot of contexts. And one of the things you're gonna start to hear is the apprehensive know. Is like the no, I don't know if I should.  You're really cute. I'd love to grab your number. Let's catch up sometime. I don't know if I should. Yeah, that kinda know, the apprehensive know. They're like, oh, I could totally be pushed over the line. Knowing how to turn that no into a yes. Knowing how to persist without being like, cause you're not gonna go, give me your number woman. You could and it might work. But that's not always the best strategy, right? The best strategy is to be able to persist in a way that's playful, amicable, and non-offensive, right? And if you can do that, if you can master that, that's a really big skill set. So that would be another one that comes to mind, just to give you one more. So what would be one of the biggest differences between a top salesman and theoretically, he's bad with women? What would be, how would that be possible? Okay, so it's been my experience that guys who are salespeople and guys who've run their own companies, who've started their own companies, again, a lot of similar skill sets, the easiest to coach. So often what it comes down to is they're bad with women cause they've never actually ever put any effort in. But when I take these guys out, and of course I get guys like this, I do get awesome sales guys who are terrible with women. It happens lots of times, they do exist. Doesn't have to be that theoretical. But they get the biggest results the quickest. And the reason is, cause all they're doing is learning to apply the same skill sets in a different context. So yeah, it's totally possible. And often it's just lack of experience. It's like, I don't know, ice skating or rollerblading. You take someone who's used to ice skating and put them on a rollerblading, on rollerblades, it's gonna be weird at first, but they'll get good really quickly. Kind of a similar analogy if that makes sense. Good morning, Damon. Yes. How does a systematizing improve things that seem like they're not quantifiable? I believe, can you give me an example of what you call non-quantifiable? The quality of woman you date.   It's a good day. Yeah. But maybe she's not that interesting or you don't have that connection. So if you're doing really well, you go on the first date, things go really well on most of your first dates or most of your second dates, but it doesn't seem like that's the type of person you wanna date. How can you use a system to improve the type of women you date? Okay, so I just wanna rephrase the question just to make sure I've got it clear. So really what you're asking is what, how would you create metrics around the type of woman that you're meeting? Is that really? That was my example. But your system, I think what you're expressing here about measuring things and by measuring them they can be improved, works really well in business because you're ultimately after money, which is quantifiable, it's a number, it's a commodity. But with dating women, if your end goal is phone numbers, that's quantifiable. If your end result or end desire is sex, that's quantifiable because you have this goal. But if, what you're ultimately after is to be happier with the people that you're dating because of the chemistry or how you feel about them, how can you implement systems to get better results? So what I do when I work, especially if I'm working with ladies when I'm doing women's dating coaching, I still do the same thing, they still have to measure and of course they're not after, generally they're not after just trying to shag as many men as possible. So I use them as a great example. But what I do do with them is they have to be very clear in a couple of things. You've got to be clear on what are the six biggest things they've got to have in a partner that is most appealing to them. And some of those things may actually be hard to quantify. Does that make sense? Like a really great sense of humor is really tough to quantify. But you know, you know Wincher's got it. So a lot of these things we know Wincher's got it and we could take it off or cross it off on a list. And then you've got to know the five things you absolutely won't put up with someone. And that's always the basis starting point because most of the things that you can qualify, sorry, if you can't count them, if someone else can't count them, usually you can. So even if you were so, and it's not very scientific to have a spectrum of how much did I enjoy the date with this girl, right? In other words, I'm looking for girls who I enjoy at least eight out of 10, my first date. Does that make sense? Or who I think about still for the next week or whatever that measurement might be. I know it's not a scientific measurement but I use this measurement with women all the time because you've got to have something to go on. You've got to have something to measure. And you can measure emotions. I mean, for yourself, as long as you're the one doing the measuring, you can measure emotions. Like I said, with my anxiety and panic attacks I just measure how I was feeling six times a day. But you can still measure yourself, how did I feel after that date? No, it's not scientific. No, it's not gonna stand up in a scientific experiment but it's still gonna be a very useful metric to be using. So yes, it's definitely not limited to things that are very superficial. Real quick follow-up here. Can you briefly discuss the things that you go over when you're coaching women? Ha ha ha, very interesting question. Okay, very quickly. So the thing is men struggle with women is this meeting women on the whole. When meeting women is our biggest struggle most of all for guys. For ladies, meeting men is not quite the same problem. You can sow some side boob, a bit of leg, you're gonna get guys interested. The biggest problem for ladies is finding the right quality of man, not a man at all. That's problem number one. Problem number two for ladies is what they tend to do is date the same guy over and over again with a different name. Okay, and the same guy has the common set of traits and oftentimes if they've come to me for help, in fact almost every time if they've come to me for help, those set of traits are actually detrimental to her well-being, one way or another, to her emotional well-being, to her enjoyment of a relationship. You know, we've all kind of seen that where we have female friends who always seem to date complete douches, we've seen that and yeah, it's over and over. So what happens for a woman is that most of the time I should never generalize but most of the time what happens is that if a number of triggers and they're different for every woman but once those triggers get flipped, it becomes an emotional connection. And just as with men, we've all done it, a lot of the men in this room have dated the wrong person and we knew it kind of that the emotional triggers were switched. Well for a woman, this is the problem. Once those triggers are switched, it's really hard then to walk away. It's really hard to step away because you've got a habit of connecting with the same type of guy over and over again. So when I work with ladies, what I have to do is I have to teach them how to screen. I mean you, if one of your female friends shows up with a guy, you know straight away, right? If he's a douchebag or if he's a good guy, you can feel it, you know it. And you could tell her but she can't. So it's one of the things ladies have to learn is how to screen men for the right kind of guy. Another thing they have to do is learn to screen him, to learn about him. Like what are the traits that I keep tripping up on? Does he have them? Yes? Cool, it's nice to meet you. You've got to go back to my girlfriends now. That's a sort of a very quick snappy rundown of a woman's difficulty in dating. Women suffer just as much if not more than men with dating relationships. You guys may be surprised with that but wow, the pain that the women go through is no more or less than what I deal with with guys all the time. What else we got guys? One second? Not a question but just a comment perhaps in regards to now that you're coaching women for dating. Yeah. Your McDonald's example? Yeah. McDonald's sales were down 12% last quarter. It was attributed to millennials because they want to eat healthier and they're going to mainly Chipotle's instead.  Yes, yes. Every big business is using their strategy. I think McDonald's is the biggest and everyone knows it and it had a funny image of McDonald's. That's why I'm not surprised they're going down. I secretly hope they go down further.  But thank you for the input. It's good to see. All right gents, let's give a round of applause for this awesome guy. Man, pleasure seeing you. Always great. You can find out more about him. Awesome guys. Man, pleasure seeing you. Always great. You can find out more about you at the School of Attraction. Absolutely. Let's keep moving through the day. Cheers guys.


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