Hi, beautiful. Everybody seems to feel way too confident coloring their hair at home. I don't know what it is. I don't know who gave them that confidence, but it definitely wasn't me. Maybe it was. Today, people are picking up that bleach and they're crossing their fingers for the best outcome possible and we're definitely not gonna get something good. So let's see how this DIY color unravels today. Up first, we have a video by Leah the princess. I've had this blue-green thing for a few months now. When I initially dyed my hair and bleached it, I didn't get it as light as I needed to. Whenever the blue fades, it always fades to this very mucky green color because I didn't tone out any of the yellow. Yeah, see? At least you know what the problem is.  You definitely wanna make sure you lighten your hair to a nice pale yellow. There's a lot going on. She's got the dark spots of blue. She's got the light spots of blue. She's got some dark brown roots. All these spots need to be hit with either a different developer or at different times with the lightener to make sure everything develops to the same level at the same time. And that's the hard part. It's definitely not gonna happen. I'm going for more of a bubblegum cotton candy color.  So we're going to a pastel color.  I don't know how she's gonna accomplish that, but good luck. So what we're dealing with is fresh growth, virgin root, maybe this much, brown root color that we need to bleach out. Underneath the brown root color, we're dealing with spotting and hair that has never been dyed before and never been bleached. Down here, we're dealing with hair that has been bleached a lot. So I think if I just do this one process and lift everything, I can see where the dark spots are and go in with a second process. I like the concept. I think that's a decently good idea. I would go in with all the roots first with say a 20 volume, so it lightens very slowly. We don't want this lightened too fast because we have a lot of work to do. Then go in from the bottom up, take paper thin sections, go on every little dark spot with maybe 20 volume, maybe 10 volume. I don't know, I have to see it in person. Once those spots are all lightened, okay, to a nice yellow color, we're gonna then go in on all the lighter blue spots and get those lightened as well. And once everything is processed, it should all turn out one even color. And I say, should. Sometimes cyber permanent colors and lightener react weird. Sometimes you can't get the color out. Sometimes you have to do extra steps. Sometimes you can't get it right at all. It's a lot of work. Once we get it light enough, I'm going to go in with a toner to get out all of the yellow and then we're going to go in with the blue color.   We got a whole lot to do. The idea of trying to get this completed in one day, I just don't think it's going to happen. We're going to do the wolf cut method. You just want to make sure you're brushing all the bumps out and getting the hair to lay as flat as possible. We're doing a little wolf cut, which I think is also a great idea. Always do your chops before you do the bleaching because you don't want to waste money on bleach that is just going to be cut off at the end. Plus it's way less work if you do the haircut first because you have less hair to color. Nice, looking fluffier. Nice, shaggy. It's looking the same, maybe a little bit better.  How am I going to know? Let's just get to the color part. That's what we all came for. Come on. And as always, I'm using the L'Oreal quick blue powder bleach and 30 volume cream developer. Definitely a strong formula. I might use this if I were only doing her root retouch and I was doing it in sections, right? So if we're doing the back first, we can time that for like 35 to 45 minutes to an hour.  I don't think she's going to do that. 30 volume while she's correcting the ends is a lot of power. It's going to risk over-processing her roots and making things way too light at the top of her head. Honestly, I probably should be doing like these mid sections first. But again, I don't know where the color is and where the virgin hair is. I'd rather just have it all lift, see where the dark spots are, so. Okay, I mean when she pulled at her hair like that I was like, she's so screwed. I don't know how you're going to do this. Yeah, she has like two inches of regrowth. This way she's about to do it. She's going to end up with banding and light blue and dark blue and light blonde, all this that she then has to correct after. It's getting really scary now. I don't know. Whoa, your ends are going to over-process so much.  Your roots need a good 45 minutes to an hour of processing time and your mids and ends need like maybe 15 minutes with 30 volume, I wouldn't go past that because they are already pre-lightened to a nice pale yellow or a nice yellow like you said in the beginning of the video. This is really going to cause some major, major breakage. Don't do that. And we're applying with our hands. Where is the brush? Why are we starting here? Everything is really scary right now. She's going to end up with a lot of spotting on her head if she keeps applying like that.  I feel like my application process has been decent. Well, your application process, I would give it like a four out of 10. I would love it if you used a brush. You worked from the bottom up.  You separated into four sections before you started. That would make me really happy. All right, and you start with the back so you can rinse the back with a front. This would all help to make everything really even and not cause any breakage. The way you're doing it going to cause breakage and it's going to cause patchiness.  You can see the bottom sections are already pretty lifted. I can already tell that front hair, her hairline doesn't have enough light on it and there are spots everywhere that are going to be brown. If you can see through the bleach that much, you have not applied enough. It should be a thick white layer that you cannot see through. We're going to check it like every 15-ish minutes. Those ends are already lifting to a pale yellow and her roots are still brown.  She's going to still wait until those roots lift. Oh God, that's not a good idea at all. Oh nice. So yeah, the mid-sections, as I thought, are still kind of orange. Let's give it another 15. No, no, no. Please don't give it another 15.  That little light blue-ness going on will wash out in the shower and if it doesn't wash out in the shower, once you put your toner on your hair, it will go away. Toner has a funny way of lifting out just that little bit of leftover fashion color in your hair and it just completely goes away. My hair was completely blue. I bleached it. It had a little bit of light blue tint to it. I put a toner for blonde over it and it goes away. All right, it just kind of falls out of the hair strand once you rinse the toner for some reason. It is pretty even, which is good and there wasn't too much breakage. There's still a few pieces that have tones of blue and green towards the bottom, but that's fine. Oh God, something tells me we're not done with the bleach, are we, huh? No, we're definitely not and it looks like it's about to snap off. Fuck! We're still pretty golden, almost orange and I just don't think that these pieces are going to be light enough to be affected by the toner that I bought. Oh, that's a dangerous, dangerous section that still have warmth in. Where she has that orange band, it's between white and white, nearly over-processed hair. So if she even overlaps on that white part of her hair at all, which she is definitely going to do because in order to not overlap, she's gonna need to have somebody doing the back of her hair. She can't see the back. So if she overlaps on that white hair, it's going to snap. We can't put more 30 volume for an hour on those strands. They will snap off. I promise you. Okay, so this is where we're at. My hair is very dry, but it isn't breaking. And as you can see, we do have this midsection situation where it's significantly darker. I really don't want to bleach it again, but I kind of think I have to.  Give me oil, give me water, please, give me a deep, please. I'm a little worried this is where it all goes wrong and my hair breaks off. It definitely is, so get ready. This is the time that it goes wrong and it breaks off. That's really bad. That's like, fully stew brown. Oh, the back of her head is literally half brown.  The sections are so spooky. It is so, so spooky up there. Do you see that zigzag line she just took as a section?  I see so much color on her root right now and we got to avoid that. We have to. So it's definitely improved. Underneath it's sort of still not the greatest, but my hair is melting off now. We're not gonna do that anymore.  I'm surprised that was the only breakage that you had. Not gonna lie, you were doing a lot of things wrong. I'm sure it's apparent because I've been pointing them all out, but it was apparent. You've been doing a lot of things wrong. It looks a little bit better, but it's not great. So we have the ion cream in snow cap. Your hair is not light enough to be a snow cap and using an ion 10 volume developer. So happy she's not using 20 or 30 because that hair would have melted off to the ground, to the actual ground. Oh, I don't like that. I like that it's turning purple because you needed a lot of strength to kick that yellow out. Let's give this 30-ish minutes. Maybe ends are gonna come up nice and gray. Not sure about the top. I did not expect that I was going to be able to achieve such an even blonde. It's not perfect. Also, if I had been dyeing my hair intentionally to leave it blonde, I would add a slightly darker root, like a medium blonde root because it's a little too bright up here. This is not staying for very long, but this is where I'm going to end the video. And then after that, I am definitely going to the blue. The result is not great. It kind of green, yellow, silver, blonde, which always to me screams like either I used too much purple shampoo or I don't know which toner to put on my hair and I did it myself or a DIY blonde. But she did mention if she was going to keep it blonde, she would do a nice shadow root, which I totally totally agree. For me, like I don't love it. I'm not really vibing with it. I don't think it does anything for her skin tone. The blue would look a lot more optimal for her. I mean, like at least she got something that was decent because that was spooky all the way through. Oh, hey, wait a second. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm in a different outfit right now because I was just filming for Life-In and I was doing a cute little shoot for them and I wanted to show you guys the shoot because I like it a lot. Also love my Life-In blow dryer. Don't make fun of me. I was feeling myself today. Whenever you see me using a blow dryer on TikTok or YouTube, it is this blow dryer.  Let me tell you actually something. I haven't told anybody this. I haven't even told Life-In. When I first got this product, I honestly thought there must be something wrong with it. This is like a fourth of the price of all competing brands on the market that are up to par with Life-In. Second of all, this blow dryer is better than any other blow dryer I've used thus far. It is lightweight. It is sexy. It is sleek. It is powerful. It is so quiet. It dries your hair so, so quickly.  The technology built inside this is so innovative. If we take a look inside this thing, it is like a work of art. Like it is just incredibly well made. You can be sure if you try this thing once or twice or a few times, it's not gonna break. Like it is a heavy duty. It is ready to withstand anything you put it through. It has a majorly long cord and it has this beautiful piece. When you wrap up the cord, you put it around and you put this thing through that thing and the cord stays together. For people with OCD like me, keeping my cords organized and looking beautiful at all times is so important. This thing is beautiful. This shine, the luster of the product. This blow dryer is also not matte so I don't have to worry about getting colors stuck in it. It also lights up in beautiful colors as you blow dry the hair. This blow dryer is also great for everybody that's in today's video because this blow dryer will reduce damage on your hair significantly. It has a mode where it actually rotates through cool, warm and hot settings. That way your hair never overheats and you never experience breakage. You have different kinds of pieces for diffusing, precision blow drying, as well as rough drying. Plus it's in this sexy color. You can also see the other colors this blow dryer comes in with the link right down below on Lyfons website. Of course, I have a major deal for you.  This is Lyfons lowest price of the entire year. Get it now while you can. You will not regret it.  Up next we have a video by Savannah Durrow. We're doing something with my hair. These are the products we're using. Okay, 20 volume cream lightener. We should all know by now that I don't like cream lightener. I don't get it. I don't know how it works. It's weird. And then we have T14, which could work, but we never know because usually people apply it to their orange hair which doesn't really work like that because T14 is very blue. They put blue over yellow. You get green. Okay. Ha ha. It looks like we have enlisted our mother to help out with the process. Let's just analyze Ms. Savannah's hair for a second, shall we? Come close. Come close. Come closer. Come closer. Okay, back a little bit. Savannah has very light roots. She looks like a natural blonde, which I'm sorry, but if you're naturally blonde, you have two choices. Either you color your roots every other day to make sure you never have blonde roots because it just looks like when you have blonde roots and dark ends.  Or I guess there's a third option. I guess there's three options. You just wear your natural color. Pick one of those. I'm kind of seeing what's going on back there. I'm kind of not at the same time. There's always like a theme, right? There's always being something that triggers me. I guess I'm very easily triggered. That's also the thing. But everybody seems to start at the top of the head. Not at the bottom. It would just be so much easier if we started at the bottom of the head and not the top. But anyways, mom is, I think, just going on every single hair strand from roots to ends, which I hope she isn't because we should really do the mids and ends first and then do the roots once those lighten up. But we shall see what she's doing back there because I cannot see. Mom is diligently working on the back of the head and I can already tell that she is coloring everything from roots to ends. She is going to end up with hot roots. We are screwed. One thing I will say that mom is doing nice is being very, very thorough. All right, she is taking those sections paper thin and she is coloring every little strand back and forth, back and forth. She's doing all of it. So I can definitely appreciate that. Honestly looking really good. What? Are we looking at the same head of hair? Because you say it looks good and I say it looks terribly spooky and scary. And that's because your roots are made of boogie. Your roots are blonde and your ends are orange slash brown. You actually want to see everything being evenly lifted. So this to me is scary to you, maybe not. I did the first round of bleach and I washed it out. I don't know if you can see, but it definitely needs a second bleaching, which I expected because my hair was so dark, but it honestly got a really good amount of my hair and we have a toner that I'm gonna put on once it's all actually bleached, so. Ah, ah, ah, ah. Okay, so we have white blonde roots, yellow mid sections, bright orange slash nearly red, lower mids and ends and I hate it. Oh, this is going to be a kaka kaka kaka kaka correction that we need to do a lot of work on to make it look good. Good luck fixing that. Sorry, I was just drooling while I was speaking. What I would recommend doing is hitting those darkest parts first, let that process to a nice yellow, then go in on the yellow sections and do 20 volume and lighten it and then everything process until it's all even and then your fingers cross while you rinse it out and then you tone it and you say, oh, or you say yes, depending on what the result is. We're gonna bleach it again because it's not good. Oh, it's even worse in the back. So here's the deal, it was literally ginger so we bleached it again, trying to fix it. Didn't work, looked the exact same. I washed that second one out and then she cuts it, three quarters of my hair is red and I got a toner at the store, kind of see, it's like a bluish toner. I'm gonna rinse it out right now and I hope it is something, I have no clue. And then I got these at Walmart. It's just a purple shampoo and then a purple conditioner. Oh, whoa. We missed a whole damn chapter. So she bleached her hair for the third time and she cut it to her shoulders to try and get rid of the red and now we are trying to tone it with a blue toner. Blue over orange makes green, not a good idea and we're using purple shampoo as if that's gonna solve any problems, which is not going to because her hair is not light enough to use purple shampoo. Purple shampoo is a maintenance product. It is a toner, but it's like a maintenance toner. It's a very, very light, gentle toner. I just confuse you more than I. That's okay. This was the biggest flop of all time. Like the top is so good, the top is perfect, but the bottom is ruined from all the box dye I've done. No! We need those roots to match the ends. Screw trying to match the ends to the roots because that's just not happening today with this technique, all right? The easiest thing you can do right now is just color the roots darker to make it even. It's the next day. It was still pretty orange today and now we are bleaching it one more time. No! Do not bleach it again. The roots are blonde. If you have the desired color you want, why do we keep bleaching the spots that are the desired color? Just lighten the parts that are not the desired color. I'm not getting the logic. I rinsed it out, now we have toner in and this is the moment of truth. It's a lot better than it was. It's still not perfect. It still has these areas where it's kind of orangey so I don't know what I'm gonna do. So I think I'm just kind of gonna live with it and let it grow and keep touching up the roots and keep chopping it short because I do like this length on me. Here's some pictures, too. Oh no, I wish I was there to help you because this is so soluble. What I would do right now for you is if you wanted to be all one color, choose a level eight toner. Something that has some warmth in it so that you just toned the parts that are not that sort of yellowy color and then it'll make everything all an even more warm tone, sort of like gingery blonde, which will look really pretty on you. Or if you wanted everything really like much more ash silver blonde, you could do a root shadow with like say a level seven and then tone the ends at a level eight but more of an ash tone or sort of something more blue to cancel out that orange. That will look really good.   I can't really tell through the screen exactly what you need but generally that's what I would do. It's easily fixable. You just need the right toners. You could make this look so unbelievably good but right now it's missing the mark a little bit for me. Please don't go to black brown. Please don't. This looks better on you than the brown for sure. I love the blonde. Up next we're video by Ali Skye. Today I'm going to be bleaching my hair.  I decked my hair black and I kinda just want it closer to my natural color now. Okay, okay, okay, I'm gonna armpit a switchy. So she's trying to lift all of her hair to blonde. Oh God. We got the dark roots. We got the red brown and I feel like if I can see that right through the screen. Sort of a warm dark, dark brown that has been boxed dyed and then we get that blonde in the front. So we got a lot of things we gotta keep in mind here. So we're gonna wanna bleach those roots first then go in the dark sections. Probably about 20 volume on the roots, 30 volume for like 15 minutes on the ends or 20 volume. You know, there's a lot of things you can do. Here's this and then I'm choosing 20 volume developer as well. Okay, I'll take it. I feel like my hair bleaches really easily. Oh God. Oh, and there. I just wanna see somebody take a horizontal section. That is your challenge. Then again, if you guys do too many things right I'm gonna have no more videos to react to. I'm putting myself out of business. So maybe don't do it right. I see the blonde going into the bleach and I don't like that because that causes breakage. Ah! I see overlapping too. Ooh, this is scary. I'm curious why we're only lightening these roots and not the entire head of roots because she's trying to go blonde all over. So why not just do all the roots? I'm very confused right now. I wasn't sure if I wanted to keep this blonde piece which is why I let it grow so far. I don't know, I just wasn't sure if I wanted to have to deal with this all the time but I like it. Okay, that went right onto the blonde. Not even near the root. When we're applying this, if we're doing a root retouch we wanna start at the root and then drag the bleach down a little bit. Not onto the blonde section but onto the rest of the root area but we wanna start actually on the skin. Not on the blonde and work our way up. The other way. We're gonna let these sit for a little bit I guess. There's something. I don't know if they're done but there's something. Just until it's pretty similar to this color they have everywhere else. So just not too long, just a few minutes.  It doesn't look like it because my eyebrows are very dark. Oh, okay, so she's trying to keep that blonde streak in the front but then lighten the brown hair around it to a bit more of a natural color. Good luck. I mean, okay, I'm okay with that. You are okay with it, I am not. Your roots are yellow. The midsections are white and the ends are looking silvery pink. I don't know what you're okay with. We under process those roots for sure. Whatever. We'll do the bleach bath. Okay, we're doing a bleach bath which honestly I'm fine with.  That's kind of what she wants but she really needs to not touch those roots at all because it is her natural hair color but this much of it. And if she touches the bleach bath they're gonna lighten really quickly and she's gonna end up with really blonde roots. She's probably gonna end up with orange ends actually. This is gonna probably not look good. We're just gonna go for it. Ooh, it's nice and soapy. Okay, the thing with bleach baths too guys we have to apply so much of it. Like we wanna take that bleach and basically just dump it on the head and just continue to move it around until it's covering every single piece of hair. We are not going on the roots but it looks like we're going really close to them and it's still scaring me. I don't know. I feel like we're gonna end up with hot roots. Ugh.  Oh, there we go. We were doing so good. Sort of. And then we went on the roots.  I have no idea what this will come out like because I have so many different dyes on my hair. These results are gonna be disastrous. We put more light in there on the blonde part. The blonde part was already so damn light. And now it's gonna become even lighter. I thought we were just making the mids and ends lighter but now the whole head's getting lighter. How did we end up here? That looks great when you look at it from here.   It's spotty. It has blonde roots in some areas. It has dark roots in some areas. It's orange. It's yellow. It's everywhere. But nowhere that we wanted it to be. It's certainly something. We clearly have to do something about this. Oh, my God.  Like there is some spots where it's dark still.  I'm glad she's laughing because I am concerned. So I have an old box of dye. Here we go. We got an old box. I know where this is going. We're going back to brown, aren't we? I'm going to use this box dye that I had 5A. I'm going to try to just mainly put it on my roots. All right, well, I guess it's better than what we got going on right now, huh? Put more box dye on your ends, please. We just did so much bleach work to make them a little bit lighter. We don't want to put more box dye on them. It's going to be even harder to lighten the next time. So I just finished applying the dye. I basically did the entire crown of my head and I just kind of ran my gloves through the ends of my hair. I'm going to clean up once again. Leave this for maybe only like 10 minutes. I don't want it to be super dark. You don't want to under-process color. There's a turn in time. Usually it's like 30 to 35 minutes for color to work. It's lifting your hair, right? It's like taking the natural pigments out of your hair and then it's depositing artificial tone into your hair. If you take it off within 10 minutes, it's only going to get through the lifting process or maybe a little bit of the depositing process as well but not fully enough to give you the desired result you want. The only thing is you need to let it sit the full time or else it's just not going to work. So I just rinsed it out and I dried my hair obviously and it looks much better. I mean, it's still not great but it is a little bit lighter at the root still. Damn it, it's so patchy. This is what happens if you under-process color. And I did miss a couple spots that are a lot lighter. The overall is pretty good. Okay, well, I don't know. Just do another layer of the dark color because at this point anything else is going to be a lot of work. That's my advice for you today. Sorry, I don't have anything better. I am already exhausted from the last two videos. This has been a lot today for me. Woo! Okay, well, those are tragic. I hope you guys are okay. People from this video, I hope you're watching and I hope you're okay. I'm gonna hope your hair looks better now. If you wanna check out my hair clear line or my hair color line, you can do so with the links down below or go to xmodohair.com. Thank you for watching and I'll see you next time. Bye, beautiful.


Hi everyone, Joe for Jasby's casebreaks.com. Coming at you with a blaster box prison football from 2020 with three of those spectrum number block spots being given away. I mean, I might Rex. I might. Here's everybody right here. There's everybody over here. And let's do the break first. Five and a six, 11 times for names and teams. One, two, three, four, five. And 11th and final time. Five and a six, 11 times for the teams. Two and 11th and final time. All right, now let's see. Could be some surprises in this box, you never know. All right, there's the first half of the list right there. Second half of the list right over here. And let's print and rip. All right, no trade windows in these filler breaks. So the list remains the same, hot off the presses. Thanks everybody. And we'll re-randomize that list with a different dice roll. See who wins those spectrum number block spots and that's coming up in the next video. And then the break itself will come up in the video after that. Let's see what we got here. Minshu on Jennings. Nothing crazy here, but it's crazy. Someone's gonna win those number block spots for a fraction of the price. Let's gather all those names, new dice, new list, and just the top three, fingers cross everybody, just the top three, after three and a three, six the hard way. One, two, three, four, five, and six. So a lot of sad faces here, especially spot four.  Appreciate you trying though. But only the top three can advance to the next round. That's gonna be Robert, Joe, and Robert with two of the three spots after six. Congrats to the both of you. I'll see you in the next video, jazpiececasebreaks.com.


Welcome back to the nonprofit show. I'm just assuming all of you have joined us previously, but if you haven't, and this is your first time finding us or joining us, welcome. We're so glad that you're here. This week is a little different than all of our previous episodes because it is a nonprofit Power Week and it is dedicated solely to your part-time controller and so many amazing representatives from their team. In fact, five of them will be joining us this week. Sorry, yesterday we kicked off with Hatsy and it was a wonderful conversation. Today will be also equally as wonderful. So thank you for joining us. We have Teresa Henderson with us today. Teresa, we like to call it the hot seat but it's really nothing to be afraid of. It's a wonderful conversation. You're the expert in this. And Teresa joins us from your part-time controller and she's here to talk to us about associations and your nonprofit. 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If you haven't checked out these companies, do that as soon as the show is over because they have helped us to produce nearly 900 episodes coming up on our 900th in October. But if you missed any of our previous episodes, including yesterday with Hatsi as we talked about NICRA, which my note, my cheat sheet here, right? Negotiated indirect cost rate agreement. And so you can find that episode on our app. I know, it gives you all the warm fuzzies.  So you can download the app and you can find all of our episodes there. You can also find us on streaming broadcast as well as podcast platform. So enough about that.  Thrilled to have you joining us. So again, for those of you watching and listening, we are thrilled to have with us today, Teresa Henderson. This is a heck of a title, Teresa. So association specialization leader at your part-time controller, welcome to you. Thank you, thank you. Excited to be here. Yeah, and I'm curious, do you ever, just like we refer to your part-time controller as YPTC, do you ever just, you know, ASL is your title, association specialization leader? That's a great idea. I have not come up with an abbreviation just yet, but now you've officially given me the task to do so. Well, talk to us then before we, like as Jared said, turn up the fire in the hot seat that you're sitting in today. Talk to us about what association specialization means and how YPTC is leaning into this because it's, I mentioned this to you in the green room.  Talk to us about what you're doing. So sure, so we are definitely still bean counters. We love counting our beans. But, and I will say that for associations, YPTC is really, we're in our 30th year and we're really leaning into, I like the way that you said that, leaning into concentrating the knowledge base around certain areas that we've always worked with. So we've always worked with associations. In fact, I've been with YPTC for 10 years and my first few clients in the very beginning were associations. And so we've always worked with them, but now what we're trying to do is kind of internally create if you like to think about it as centers of excellence, right, where we're pooling all the people who have really deep experiences and helping us internally, formalizing how we help each other internally, but then also helping clients and potential clients understand what are some of the challenges that happen within specific lines of nonprofit world and in the area that I work with as associations. Wow, I love that. And I, and thank you for bringing up the 30 years of business because that is an incredible accomplishment, especially in our sector, because as we use you know, and I'm sure anybody watching or listening to this knows or it has been realizing, the accounting practice and procedures and processes are different from for-profit to nonprofit. And sometimes it's just nomenclature and it's a different word that we use, but I love this concept and I think this is gonna be a really interesting conversation with you because there's a lot going on with associations and everybody and we are no different on the nonprofit show. We've been talking a lot about technology, a lot. We started talking about it, you know, at the pandemic point because it was like the way it was our savior to get us, you know, operating and moving forward. Now things are a little different. We're coming out of this. Talk to us about the synergy between associations and technology and that's, this is somewhat of a thing I'm not familiar with. Sure, sure. So associations tend to, so if you think about associations, they're really about bringing people together, right? And supporting different groups of people and in particular areas. So in professional organizations, supporting people within professions, so like accountants like myself and medical, there's a lot of different medical associations. And so they support, help them with their professional credentialing. They help with networking, with education. And so that means that they have to retain and synthesize and make available a lot of information. And that's really done via technology. And so while not all associations have what I'm about to talk about, many have what is called an association management software system that forms kind of the basis of their information system. So it tracks information about dues and about conference registrations and their credentials. And that really forms, like I said, kind of the basis of their operation and is very closely aligned with how they implement their mission, meaning how they meet the needs of their members. Theresa, that sounds like a lot of different transactions and can get kind of like garbily goop. That's gonna be my official term for that, right? But it sounds like this system really is designed specifically for associations because I personally have not been involved in a system that tracks all of those variations. Yeah, that's right. And for folks that work with nonprofits, it might be analogous, if you think about it, it's a little bit analogous to the donor management system, but keep so much more information. And kind of if you compare a charitable organization and an association of the same size, probably the number of transactions they have to handle on a given day. So there's so much more for association. So I think the median number of members for associations that there are so many different kinds, but median number may be between 2,000 and 4,000 members. Those members might pay on a monthly basis. So just the sheer volume of transactions that they have to manage. And for me as an accountant, I'm used to the general ledger being the main system of record, right? That's my buddy, that's my best friend. This is the GML, right? But in an association, it's that really the association management software that's got most of the information. So that's another thing for me to make sure that I'm factoring in when I'm trying to do my job as an accountant. You know, I am so floored by the advancement of technology. And I feel like I say this almost weekly, but going to more and more conferences in the last two years, seeing how technology is really, I'm gonna say leading our sector, right? Like really leading our sector. I'm imagining there is some special budgeting, some special cash flows that we need to consider. What does this look like as we look from the lens of the association, Teresa? Sure, sure. So kind of when you talk about conferences and we talk about dues and members, those cash flows typically come in for associations. They might come in in periods and big periods, right? So maybe if all your dues are being renewed in January, you might get a big influx of cash in January. And you have to plan and make sure that that meets your needs for all year long. Same thing with events that you might be hosting. Again, maybe you have to put money out ahead of time and then you're going to sell tickets or sell registrations and it'll kind of pay you back for what you've already put out. So for associations, they have to think very carefully about planning their cash flow. So it may not be enough for them just to develop one operating budget. They might have to make sure that they're thinking about how can I allocate that budget, at least in quarters and ideally each month? When am I going to get cash coming in? When am I going to have cash flowing out? Those are things that it just really helps in terms of trying to make sure that they can do what they want to do. And then to your point about technology, they also have to think about, what do I need to set aside in terms of reserves or to build something so that I can plan for the future, so that I can make those kinds of larger investments that I need to make. You know, it's so interesting because I think that, and you brought this up, it was brilliant. Just the medical profession, the number of associations are vast and sometimes they are so obscure, but you got to believe they really help those members. And I'm wondering if you see this ecosystem changing and growing for the nonprofit sector? Because so many of us, I mean, we all know AFP, Association of Fundraising Professionals, but you know, they're not a lot of associations, so to speak, compared to other sectors. And so I'm wondering if you could talk to us about what you're seeing specifically for the nonprofit sector and chapters and affiliates and some of that growth that can ultimately help support our sector. That's a great point. And one thing I'll say is that after a couple of years, and I think a lot of people are experiencing across a lot of different industries, right? But how much the activity has rebound since the pandemic, right? I mean, associations are all about bringing people together. And I think they went through a crisis period when you plan ahead a year in advance to try to have a conference and anyone who had a conference after March, 2020, that was very scary for them and whether or not they were able to make it through. And many associations were able to make it through those lean times, again, with that budget and planning and making sure they were able to have reserves. And now they're really rebounding and attracting new members. And now, and maybe even trying to expand their membership and think creatively about membership, how can they have different kinds? And in terms of the number of associations, there is an association for everything, including an association for associations, right? I've spoken to them before. Yeah, this is one of my favorites, the association of association. Absolutely, a great resource for anyone who wants to learn how to be a better association professional, right? So there are associations for everything. And I think any association that's trying to, again, trying to meet a particular need of a particular audience, they have a lot of things they can use as resources to help them reach those audiences. There's a whole, I wanna say infrastructure, there's a lot of resources for associations in terms of, we've already talked about technology, but marketing, membership, how do you think about dues pricing? There's a whole infrastructure ecosystem. I think that's what I'm trying to say for helping associations do what they do better. So that would be helpful for any association that was trying to reach a new particular more segmented audience, I would think. You know, Teresa, I love that you mentioned that. I was privileged enough to lead a strategic planning retreat for an association. And that, I wanna say the majority of the conversation of course was around membership. How do we attract new members? How do we market to a younger professional, right? And even beyond those that they have typically marketed to. And so really looking at innovation. And I love seeing how tons of organizations, associations included are really looking at innovative ways to attract new individuals, new perspectives, new lens into the associations. I can only imagine why PTC sees this from the global level because you yourself, I believe you said you're in the DC area, you have representatives on your team across the nation at YPTC. What are you seeing by way of innovation? This is a curveball question, right? But what are you seeing by way of innovation specifically in our association areas? Great question, yeah. That is a great question. One thing that I think is interesting is now how, again, coming out of the pandemic, we weren't quite sure what was gonna happen when we were gathering together. Will people continue with in-person? Will they cut out the remote? And I think it's been interesting to see how they're combining in-person and remote activities so that maybe people can't fly across the country for a day or two-day meeting, but there are people who still wanna do that. So combining the opportunities for people to still get that education, to still get that net, and to still also do that networking. And I think you also hit the nail on the head with trying to say how are they attracting, but also not just attracting, but engaging the younger members so that they can ensure that their mission and how people are engaged and how people are helping and support their mission really can extend into the future. So many associations have kind of a, and I am in this set, so there's no shade to what I'm saying, but so many associations are dealing with median age folks who are in their 50s, and that's not sustainable, right? You've gotta engage younger people. So a lot of activity is around trying to make sure they're engaging and that they have a viable organization going into the future. There's so much to unpack in what you said. We've talked again here at the nonprofit show nearly 900 episodes, and really how to attract, and as you said, engage multi-generations. And if anyone has the recipe for that, right, that is just going to reach the pinnacle of success, yes, please let us know. We'd love to have you here. How are you seeing this really take shape across the nation? Because with associations, right, we're really looking at this from a very broad perspective, local versus regional, national. Talk to us about the associations as it relates to different geographies. Yeah, as it relates to, I just wanna say, just kind of going back to one other thing is technology. I think that's kind of, that's connecting a lot of and engaging and interesting a lot of younger people. And younger people almost seem to know and sort of intuitively how to engage and might be doing some of the more forward thinking ways to engage like AI and chat GPT and all those kinds of things into the normal work process. And I think, again, that's probably true on a local level as well when we think about how do we make, that's really where all the work is done, right? So in the national office, they're trying to make sure they're tracking all the information about their members, but their actual members live in localities. They engage, they attend meetings, they get to know each other on a local level. And so that's really where, that's really important. That's what another, I won't say struggle, but another emphasis that most associations really have to focus on is, how do they make sure that their local members are getting the information they need and are they are given the platform and the resources that they need in order to be able to, to again, further the mission, learn more about whatever their industry is, learn more about whatever their profession is. Local level is really where all that activity is taking place. So then let me ask a follow-up question to kind of to what Jared had asked previously. And again, another curveball, get that capture is met up. Do you find that within our nation that there are cultural differences or regional pockets where communities are more apt to be involved in something like this or where other parts of the country where they're like, yeah, we don't really need this? Do you know what I'm saying? Because there's a social construct to this. Yeah, I do think that, I have worked with several lately, several kind of national offices trying to make sure that they're keeping track of what's happening on the local level. Sorry, I'm trying to keep track of what's happening on the local level. And there definitely are differences, meaning in terms of the size and the level of the types of activities, meaning some larger cities, as you might imagine, there are more people. And again, it kind of depends on what the association does. But wherever I guess I would say the center of activity is for that profession or that type of industry, though the local levels are larger, those events are larger in those areas, right? But then in other areas, maybe not as much. I won't necessarily say that it's not needed, but it's just how many people they're able to bring together.  But it really does depend. I mean, there are associations for more rural type activities and then maybe it's not as big in New York or Chicago because there's not as much activity happening there. So it really does depend on what industry and profession that industry is focused on and where the activity is going to be the busiest and the most active. So then my follow up question to you along those lines is we're coming out at this time of tremendous change and our budgets have changed and maybe we're like, okay, we're ready to go back out. We're ready to invest in this. How would we as a nonprofit look to see if a certain association is gonna be a good fit? Like how do we, if you will shop it, right? Because it's kind of one of those things that in our sector, there hasn't been a lot of choice. I feel like what is the ROI of association membership, right? Like how do we value or define success of that? Yeah, that's a great question and probably because Jared just came from a strategic planning, you've got that kind of question on your mind but that is really one of the things that distinguishes I think a successful association in terms of attracting members is can they, do they understand their own value and what value they are bringing to their members? And again, kind of going back to that technology, sometimes those association management systems helps to understand what do members really like? What do members really get value from? So understanding themselves, what value they're bringing to their membership and then being able to communicate that to not only their members but to the public and to people who are maybe just outside, are they hosting events that might attract people who are adjacent to the immediate area that you're focused on? So accountants maybe technology people because accountants have to use technology systems. So are you communicating your message in a way that not just your core but then people right outside your core that might also benefit from the information? So it's kind of incumbent upon I think the association to get the word out but if you're looking into it, you can hit that Google and just say, I'm interested in, I'm a nonprofit professional and I wanna know more about, and you said there's a fundraising and we know there's a fundraising association but if I'm a nonprofit CFO or if I'm a nonprofit grant manager those associations do exist and so if you're trying to find one that helps to match your skills, Google it and then you reach out to that national association and they can connect you to that local level because that's really again where you get a lot of benefit where you get to meet other people who are doing what you're doing and you get to talk to them kind of face to face and so just some Google searches basically and then follow up and do your research. Great response and really as we look at really wrapping up today's conversation I just, I feel like it's so important to mention many of our US workforce is now distributed, right? So looking at what are the offerings of the association as you had mentioned earlier, Teresa are they in person, are they remote are they offering a hybrid or as I've learned this asynchronous, right? Which I think we've all probably learned as well over the last three years. So really looking at too, how will we as a person and a professional be most engaged with that association, right? Are we looking for more in person or are we really looking for that remote? You know, again at this conference there were so many staff members that worked across the nation that we're also getting together in person for this conference and I imagine YPTC says sees the same as you're in DC I forget where Hatsi was joining us but we have five of amazing leaders from YPTC joining us this week across the nation again, in a distributed workplace. Yeah, absolutely. And you know, it's interesting I think I have gone to annual meetings before I've gone to conferences over my lifetime but I think that kind of the joy that we see when people get together in person now is it's just heightened. Is that a new level? Just because we have been kind of remote and still for a lot of us we still do work remote like you said in a kind of distributed way I work with Hatsi I get to see her actually a couple of times a week sometimes via this method, right? But then seeing her in person it's a whole another level of excitement and joy. So I think, you know, again, associations with one of their key responsibilities being to bring people together that's something that they're keeping in mind is both things are good and have helped them to succeed. Yeah. Well, you've been a joy and you've really brought us together today on this amazing part of day two of Nonprofit Power Week. Again, Teresa Henderson Association Specialization Leader coming to us from DC when you were first on with us two years ago you came to us from Houston now you're in DC and you can check out what Teresa and her team are doing at yptc.com. Somebody asked yesterday, Jared, if the slide deck was gonna be available and how they could get back to this and we have our methodology through the Nonprofit Show but shortly yptc.com will also put up these episodes on their website along with many, many other things that they do. They have amazing resources specifically for the nonprofit sector and it is free. There's no gatekeeper there in a technological way. So check them out. Why- And real quick, Julia. So yesterday's show, I just saw, thank you is up on the yptc.com website already. So you can find it not only at our broadcast archives but also here at the website we're showing. But for those of you listening, it is yptc.com. You can hear Hatsi's conversation with us yesterday as we talk about NICRA. Today's conversation with Teresa will be up in just a couple of hours and then look at this lineup for the rest of the week. So we've got some really amazing leaders in our sector, thrilled. I'm honestly thrilled that today's only Tuesday because I mean, we still have so much more to come. Teresa, thank you for shining your light on associations. As Julia said, I don't believe we've done a dedicated show on this. So I love that there's a center of excellence within yptc focusing on this. Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. It really, really has been a lot of fun and we're thrilled, Teresa, that you would come on and give us a different way to look at this. I think it's been a lot of fun. You guys make it easy for people who are accountants like me to even talk about this stuff, so. Well, we have never been let down by yptc. We will tell you that.  So you make our days easy because the conversations just flow and I've witnessed this before. Finance, accounting is not my bailiwick. It is not my jam, a nerd I am, but really not within accounting. So I love, and this is a compliment, Teresa, that you have on your nerd glasses today because we need all of you to really be here for our sector because as we mentioned earlier, it's different. Our nonprofit community and sector and accounting is different than the for-profit community and sector. It really is. And we learn that all the time, as Jarrett mentioned, about the differences. And as we wrap up, we wanna make sure that we extend our gratitude to those that sponsor us and the nonprofit show because without them, we wouldn't have these conversations. Our partners include Fundraising Academy at National University, Bloomerang, Your Part-Time Controller, American Nonprofit Academy, Nonprofit Thought Leader, Staff and Boutique, Nonprofit Nerd and Nonprofit Tech Talk. Again, these are the folks that are with us day in and day out to help guide these conversations that really strengthen the nonprofits that we support across our nation. Okay, Jarrett, day two of Nonprofit Power Week. Super cool, don't you think? I know. I always look forward to Nonprofit Power Weeks having these conversations that really dive deeper into an organization, a topic, and again, every single topic this week as well as all of our shows, they deal with everything, the ins and the outs as it relates to nonprofits. So thank you for joining us, Teresa, and to Hatsi yesterday and the amazing leaders from YPTC that will be back tomorrow. Thanks for all of you that also joined us. We are thrilled that you're here. We invite you back tomorrow and as we end every single day, we invite you, encourage you and remind you to stay well so you can do well. Thank you, Teresa, and we'll see everyone else tomorrow.