So we'll start with reception. I guess welcome Sorsha any agenda revisions I do not So we can table that we'll move it down to future agenda items We didn't have a meeting on board goals should we attempt to add that in or Should we let's add it as a three points Let's do a discussion item if we get through everything else before 830. We'll discuss that. Does that make sense to everyone? So like 3.6 We'll call it 3.6, but I will go out of order and complete the action agenda before going back. So maybe we Will do it that way does that make sense? Yeah, perfect any other adjustments? All right public comments So on the agenda I have a 3.2 I think you said it's about born involvement in the hiring process and I'm Interviewing yes, I'm guessing well that was my question is the focus going to be on whether or not to interview the candidate or not Yes, okay So I guess That's on that and then please you guys do it As I would encourage you guys Certainly not to let the interview go and the board is still hiring entity meaning that the teacher cannot be released to the Romney community without your approval and I Think it's one of the most important duties. That's still under the jurisdiction of the board So two points to that. I mean one The personnel costs I think are the biggest costs at the school and you guys are the fiscal agents for the town I just as a matter of personal responsibility. I would hope you want to see this person and not anything to do with not trusting the rest of the process but Just as a checkpoint a responsibility to see just to check out Who you're sending over to the school and more importantly, I think Is the relationship between the board and the teacher this is your this is your first meeting point Even if you know you're going to approve the candidate that's sent over This is the beginning of your relationship and it's a board Action it's a board action and I think that's important more important than private conversations That might happen with the teacher after they're hired at Romney This is the beginning of your relationship and I would hope that you would want to be looking for ways to build on those points of contact as a board and I keep saying that because I think You know in the last couple of elections, that's been a big issue the relationship between the board the teachers and I and I've heard You and you and Chris too during the relaxed reelection talk about what a priority that is and I'm feeling a little disappointed about the lack of leadership in that direction and So when I saw this come up, I was like, you know, I know you guys are swimming against the stream a little bit I was on the BSBA when that the language concerning the hiring process got altered. So I appreciate that You're swimming against the direction, but I just wanted to come and encourage you please to Keep a hold of what you still have and build on it if you can Thank you Well, I thought that was going to be a focus, but I'm happy to add another Which is just I think that the statute and again, I was on the board those state board school board association and this was changing and this was a great concern to me that The hiring process would be more prescribed, but I think it's more prescribed on the superintendent side There is nothing that precludes the board from having an interview process that they feel more comfortable with There's nothing that keeps you as the board from interviewing the top two Candidates coming out of the hiring committee. You can't select somebody that the superintendent doesn't bring to you But you can gather more knowledge on your own if you're interested like I believe that this is true This is my reflection that You have a lot of power to create the policy that makes sense to you when looking at the hiring process, so That's an avenue too. I was I remember when the board decided to only interview one person and I thought that was a huge step backwards. So I think you can bring that back Hi, Kyle, we are on public comments and correspondence. Did you have anything that you wanted to share tonight? Okay great Approve the minutes of May 1st 2018 and May 10th 2018. Can I have a motion? Just a reminder we do a motion a second and then have discussion. So even if you have discussions Second Brian great Discussion on five point one. I had the same question So yes, I had a key, but I think that that may not have been So I ended up putting initials because I was it was hard to to type quite that fast So we had let's see Trying to see where they start here discussion It's a lot of page three Actually that was that was taken out so that was that was not me I didn't write a community member So I think Chris must have yeah, he must have thought that was better versus the actual Name yeah, so so I did I mean like I didn't know everybody's last name, but I tended to put in initials Marilyn MS Okay, so yeah, I think those were taken out And actually I don't even think oh, yeah, they're all listed They should definitely be listed as in attendance and they are I Did have an edit on page two which is the first page of the minutes It talks about it begins with Woden's explanation, which I do remember and then it just says discussion on whether the forum will benefit the community and board and Actually at that point Allison had spoken her point of view At length and I totally understand you were taking minutes, so it would be really hard to capture what you said as you're writing However, it impacts the next paragraph What's written is Caroline may express concern about a small number of people here being a representative sample for the community and Concerned that opinions of community were asked for versus board being asked and That's inaccurate the concern was that Woden had shared her thoughts Allison had shared her thoughts and then the the chair which was Chris turned to the community asking and it fell it was the I Guess lack of structure was my concern was that We heard from two board members then we were asking the community versus asking the community At the beginning of the discussion or at the end but giving board members a chance rather than Taking basically the synopsis that you had given as of the voice of the whole board Okay A particular way you would like to run that I can I'm trying to pull up the original notes I have because I pretty much wrote down verbatim what everybody said and Chris reasonably so found that deeply onerous It and I do remember that it was long Did not write how I would prefer it written so let me think I Guess instead of concern of opinions of community were asked versus board. It was more that Some board members were asked then the community so maybe that the process of the board's deliberation Was not being followed or was not clear the process I Don't want to change what was said like I want to be really because you know now looking at it. I could Say a lot of things differently. This is just about sort of correcting the minutes Sure, so if anybody who was there had a suggestion on how To best capture what I had said at that point if you I think I think you raised concerns over It's not allowing the board to have the opportunity to share their concerns before At least that's what I took from it before engaging the public Sort of was a started started with board and then went to public and then to the than the board members Had an info suit rather than it being The opportunity for the board to share their initial all their initial reactions Yeah, I'm not sure exactly how to capture it, but that Can we if we can give me a couple minutes to find the original this I don't have the same computer that I took them on Yep, then I can probably help us and if it's easier if we want to table it one more time Because Coming up with how to rephrase that Yeah, there were a couple others also But if Chris edited it in between and you don't have the original I can find the original is just going to take me a minute. Yeah Is anybody opposed to tabling 5.1 one more time Issues involving riding the bus to activities Buses I understand that that is that was what a step ever was saying More complicated than that the step number Particularly, so we can just ask say the staff member Stated that parents are not supposed to ride in buses and that the previous principal with parents Right on buses. I think that's that I agree Mm-hmm. It was the opinion of a community member not the whole group chiming in for that part, okay The community member who was yeah, I would put her name because it makes a little more sense, right? Yeah, and So do we want to do all the edits now and but still table it and come back. Okay, so that on page three Am I is this do I fix this and bring it back to somebody or is this being changed like in real time? Sorry, I would I would say you Got this in the first place I Would say you would do it. Okay Okay, so on page three second page of the minutes KM Do you see do you WT which is woden see the issue as being a 1617? I would just add school year because Okay, the way that it's or or do 2016-2017 so that people reading the minutes understand what I was asking her. Okay. Oh It also says that I asked about ongoing community engagement as a board goal and what would engage more parents and I thought that was Allison and It could have been that I also said it, but that was a big part of All right, so I have the original document here Discussion it's notably different. Can we move on to something else? So another another Part of the notes anything anything next while I can attempt to multitask and find what we need here My only other one was on page four CM which is Chris McVeigh notes many strong viewpoints perhaps a community period. Yeah, what does that mean? I wasn't sure I've been watching a lot of arrested development lately and sounded like something that could have come But it was just Just above that I'm curious to know what perhaps your original notes had for what I stated I don't know if I've ever used the word preponderance in my life And Sort of the first half of it is Which page are you on I'm on page four second paragraph down so that all the way through the Our last meeting with the facility that with the facilitators and then that last couple sentences I do recall saying something along the lines of that opening part about not describing my feelings on others but What what follows just? Doesn't really make sense to me and I have some thoughts of what I said, but I'm not I think there was a lot of different things that I said at that point in time and I could try to Give you something, but I'm interested in if there's the original notes have Have more Yep, okay, I think I was responding in part to a comment from a community member about sort of the insider outsider Dynamic and something that the staff member talked about sort of along those lines as well Okay, here's what I originally said The saw so Won't describe what people have asked not a good idea hold on lack of parent involvement then DL who is Give more and brings back a broad view of which sides exist Brian The sides thing is hard. He has been through a restorative process and it was powerful last meeting It was nice and a good experience, but he did not come out of it feeling better BT does not meet To prescribe me to prescribe his feelings on others But worry that all needs may not be met or not even a preponderance of those needs It is mostly just about us being able to try and possibly it could make it worse So that was my best writing down verbatim what you said, but I may very well have missed them And actually that's pretty much exactly what it says here. Okay. Yeah, yeah, then so how would how do you feel? I would just I would say that Concerned of that. I think one of my concerns all along has had been that There wouldn't the all the voices wouldn't be in the in the room so to speak and so what Would we be able to accomplish what it is that needed to be accomplished with that process? And then also another issue that I'm concerned. I've had is that we can't answer certain questions that people have and so People's needs in that regard for information is not going to be met by the board So I don't so I'm thinking those are the What I was referring to Not sure about making it worse to be honest with you. Okay, so one of So BT one of my concerns all along is that not all voices might be heard and What the process would need to be and I kind of lost you there like to be helpful I think that we as a board we would be able to answer questions from the community People's need for information may not be met by the board. Yeah, perfect Okay, so just that that not all not all voices might be heard and that people's need for information. Okay, and Then since I'm now writing this down Carolyn, can I just make sure that I have what would be good for you? I can look it up the original if you'd like but the process of the board's deliberation was not clear, so you said something else like that that the Think you had to do with the process of discussion within the board before turning it to over to the public Yes I think I had said that I wanted it really clear when it was Time for community involvement and when the board would all have a chance to share their opinion Any other edits on for the May 1st, so can you bring another? Put another draft in our next packet Yes, so we'll table The May 1st minutes we still have a motion for May 10th any discussion all those in favor any opposed Great Board discussion or sorry discussion 3.1 board retreat Established date and time is this the SU? Lord retreat I wasn't at The full no, well, I think this is our board retreat. That was my understanding could the SU board retreat is Separate and has its own date. Yeah. Oh I didn't realize we were doing our own Talked about actually now it's time for discussion. I thought that you asked to be have it put on the agenda. No, okay I know it was on the agenda. I expressed concerns about that. Oh I had requested a retreat last year and we weren't able to hold one. So Any discussion do we want to go around Before we I agree I think being very clear and narrow And what we hope to accomplish And I put out there. Maybe it is again, I was I was not at the meeting earlier tonight So I know what was discussed around act 46, but how do we as a board sort of work over the course of the next? Year Until potentially a different structure. I feel like it's more important to have the Supervisory union retreat I Would agree to one for us if it was really about looking at how to best transition Our community from having its own board to being part of a larger board Allison any thoughts? I wonder why Look, do is that just not something that we go on a regular agenda? I mean not that I'm opposed to a retreat I just is it not something that we would put on a regular agenda? Is there there is more glorious? Yes, so there is benefit having seen this was my pitch last year having seen retreats that are done really well there's sort of a Similar to mediation like you just are in a very different space and you can talk to get down a little deeper on issues So that you come to where you have common ground and then you build from there and you just have more time to talk out things like vision goals In a way that you can't really do at a meeting that has So many items so I in the past have found them to be worthwhile and It makes the board a little stronger so As far as I can tell the act 46 it is what it is and so now we just have to attempt to meet those requirements No, this is the recommendation from the From this AOE to the state Right nothing. This is not there like students that there's no Power in this statement at all. It would be whether the state board accepts or rejects it So I would maintain that it's a bit or I'm totally willing to do that sort of thinking You know if and when we do go down that path I think at this point it's pretty preliminary So you think there's still a chance that things could be like my sort of understanding when I saw this like oh well I mean who knows how realistic it is, but the board of education can accept it. Yeah, but but it's not At this point we are a functioning functioning around the board. So I mean I would suggest using it as a moment to Set goals, you know since we were unable to have that meeting Yeah I would agree with that with goals And the other thing that I that I actually wanted to put on the goals that I thought might be kind of nice to have a little More time to talk about is is policy review. I was looking Well, I don't know a mother to go at all the policies that we have on the revenue website And there's a lot of them and many of them are kind of conflicting and It felt like maybe a cleaning of the desktop might be helpful to get people sort of to I don't know to get everybody a little more aligned if that's a Everybody being our board Yeah, no, no, I mean I think I'd asked about that and The policy committee has gone through all the SU policies that are required by the state and we have gotten all of those As of this past Couple of years ago, right? So we're all up to date in terms of the state now We have a whole bunch of policies from each individual board That may or may not match up with what the SBA does and so what the policy committee is doing is using the Vsba models as a way to sort of look at what our current policies are And so we'll get the policy model unlike community involvement and then they'll Compile all the existing policies that are So there's certainly Okay, so that's being done as a provisor union level Any thoughts or comments on the board retreat from the administrators who are here Kelly any thoughts Community members any thoughts on the board retreat? All right, so establishing a Date and time is everybody okay doing that by email Delegate Delegate planning Is there anybody who would volunteer to plan the retreat how much planning is required here a lot Depending if you share it with like central office who would facilitate You would want to plan the location communicating with the public What the framework would be The activities which you will love there's activity Usually you do like team building kind of I Know you can do it you can do it around goals But but you do you need to decide if we're like so for example if one of the If one of the agenda items is the goals What protocol are we using to discuss goals so that then it's So in that sense, I do you think it takes some planning or did you want to volunteer great? All right, so can you then send out the email about the the date and time and location can go under planning all of it Yes, I would agree with that I will bring a blender And I know Chris had offered to host last time so if he's interested I don't want to take it But if he's not I do have a hot tub and would host All right 3.2 If we're gonna do it we gotta do it right and she's bringing a blender so 3.2 board involvement so the agenda item is board involvement in interviewing But I heard that we want to expand that to hiring process and we want to take into account The public comments that we heard So let's go around. Well, can we start with Alice in this time? Thoughts on board involvement in interviewing slash hiring process Sure, so I you know taking with the Grinnell cell because I am still very new at this I did kind of wonder like what exactly we you know What exactly was our role like why why were we doing this beyond meeting the person? I wondered if we were stepping on Amy's toes. I wondered if she felt uncomfortable that here We were sort of reviewing her decision I I also just had some specific questions sort of like that I kind of want to know like well why was this person picked and why is this person making more money than this person is and I Wasn't sure what our role if any was in asking those questions and so I thought maybe being silent was best So I guess I I guess I'm really interested to hear you know what Because ultimately this is your decision to hire people and so do you feel Like do you feel put out when we're when we're looking at the candidates that you've brought forth? I Think it my concern is more logistical quite honestly Our pool at times is very limited some physicians. It's very variable I think it Isn't a decision I make solo So typically these decisions are met by consensus around a table of involved people While there may be varying of opinions we do try to Come to some agreements around around those things. I think that Given the amount of time that typically goes into these types of things with multiple rounds That if the board wishes to be a part of that It would make more sense to be a part of the whole process I kind of we had several people that You know we were in we'd gone back into the hiring pool three different times to try to locate somebody that had kind of a complementary skillset for our needs and that we felt like was a good the best candidate out there and Just by the nature of a board meetings and that type of thing Pairing a need for them to wait which was then also creating hardships in other districts So at one point I was hearing from superintendents as to what was going on with this person and You know is are they in or they out? You know because it creates a ripple effect within educational settings. You mean the time lag You mean the time lag exactly so we're creating hardships for other schools Which doesn't kind of extend that good will so? And you know harms other kids because you know they're at a Disadvantage in getting out for their hiring then too so All that is to just be said that you know I would welcome your participation on committees and Again, it was the delay that created hardships for others was another layer for many people that was a drive from a Have to commute down for a short interview That they had already come for multiple rounds of Interviewing so I think those are the logistical questions that I put forth because I want the best candidates to for our kids so And it is highly variable between jobs As far as far as the pay differential That's that's set by There are steps and their level of education and experience So that's why I figured it was set by a union, but yeah, yeah Yeah, so I guess the thing that occurred to me is also like should we be involved in the whole hiring process because it felt a little cursory to just sort of What I'm gonna say no, yeah, I mean well I put out a and part of it is your availability to know I know you guys are very busy Say that would probably make the most sense for the flow in just making sure that we're securing the right people So I had the same thoughts as Allison The same concerns that Amy brought up with the travel Particularly interviewing the special ed candidate. We don't vote on that position. That seemed like a big stretch for us to have involvement What has always been hard for me is The interview is one piece of what goes into a hiring decision and So without being privy to all of it, it's really tough to then make the decision So I much prefer having one or two board members Sort of a sign throughout the year to be part of the Search process so they would be on all of them. So they know how it works and can hear the whole process and then Report back to the board along with the principal's recommendation seems to be It seems to me to make a lot more sense Right Yes, I guess since I've been involved with the board and then for a little while when I was a minute taker this this kind of question has come up at different times and Historically in in my experience The board was serving as part of the hiring committee Meaning like one or two Representatives Where we're on the committee. I've never felt you know Comfortable or I sort of understood the board having being in that position to just sign off on something that we weren't Involved in the process to begin with but I hear for example what social is saying about our fiscal responsibility And I guess my my feelings along those lines is that we have a team of you know experienced educators Ideally, there's just there is a board member on that committee. There's a community member We have sort of a representation of the community that's Running that process is that we should trust that process and that's rather than sort of put the fiscal responsibility on ourselves to potentially Renegon someone you know on what the process might have come based on You know, I'm certainly not an educator that I don't have that background And so I I do trust others I think everyone who's in that process brings something to it. And so So I guess where I'm going with this is that I think that If we can get it back into the to the practice to the extent that's possible of having a board member or two potentially involved I think that would be a reasonable solution I again along with a special education hiring. I Definitely don't see that What purpose we serve in that and because it is you know, basically a An SCU decision and that's who they work for so That's Amy's point about I don't want us to be a poor team player and that we're thwarting other schools processes and disrupting these teachers are out Trying to find jobs and if we're slowing the process down and it's not really a Beneficial purpose for slowing it down So I guess I I I see more I see less value in Us being waiting on us to make a final decision, you know an interview I should say versus us being part Just one part of the process I missed one thing I had wanted to say do you mind Is I would I would much rather have The administration bring us a packet and be able to ask them questions, you know Like who did the reference checks when were they done and really ask questions about the process I feel like that would get us more into Being able to make an informed decision then meeting the person And then the other piece about you know like the pay and trusting the process I do wonder if we or maybe it would be more appropriate for the executive committee to look and do some spot checks on How that's done because when we see it as part of the packet You know, we don't really have a lot of insight and I feel like it is You know in my experience in education candidates sit with the superintendent who reviews the resume and bases it on years in education and Education you're like years of employment in education and then their Education to match where they fall is that ever checked to make sure that there isn't any Gender or other bias. I don't know if anybody ever checks it So as part of our system that would be something I would look at but in terms of interviewing Oh great, thanks Sally will do it and Bill confirms it perfect. I mean, it's so they have both eyes are on that We have a non-form. Yeah, we fill out that you see in your board packets and that's Usually filled out typically by the principals will do the preliminary and then the HR does the step in the salary great Thanks to Sally HR. Yeah, she replaced that. She's new. Yeah Well then You mean the way like One would be going to meetings to was reviewing a packet without being at the interview meetings And the third is the way we have it This Okay, so I really propose I think as the people who have the That's been more for our our Special ed one was our availability there's one other than on a bus to do but then the music with that I didn't see a call for that one. I Would have to go back to my My intention Invitation was extended and that we were having various hires You know, and I think that's something to also keep in mind a lot of times There's concurrent hiring cycles going on and as new viable candidates come up If we have if the committee has not seen Kind of a good match. It's possible to wait on it. We reconvene. So I mean just be aware of that level of involvement if you know, you go that direction is you know, We may can it's not always neat and pretty in that, you know, the first time you really convene the group Everybody's available. You've identified your date Nothing is found. So you have to go back and we can have you reconvene as much of the group as you can So I just think it's helpful to identify those three possible steps involvement I think as people who are, you know, the group that's legally responsible for the hiring we should have at least some involvement. I Think being involved in the hiring process makes the most sense. I think people are willing I'm a little concerned about having two one or two people responsible for all the hires in a year That seems to be like a fairly heavy burden, but I think if we can all commit to you know, at least one How many do we think there isn't typical that certain dividing up labor. I think that that pretty good work quite well I'm not totally committed to the interview. It was interesting that one of our candidates said how much you appreciated that. That was not what I expected And I would just finally like to Great I think It might be nice if I really like the idea of being involved in the actual the interview process but it might be nice once new hire like as sort of a Part D subset of C Instead of interviewing the person as a stamp of approval perhaps once they're hired they could be invited to the next board meeting How's it going? Let's get to know you more personally. You met this person who was on the committee, but now meet all of us That might be a nice compromise between and some Some boards have like a personnel committee and whoever's on that Committee like policy is a committee whoever's on the personnel committee goes to all the interviews So it is a big undertaking, but usually the person who volunteers for it has either the time or the Desire to do it other thoughts administrators With special education where there's potential to lose candidates in a really challenging position When we have to wait a couple weeks for them to come and meet with you And it has the potential to put us in some precarious situations and not end up with qualified staff Did board members watch the executive committee meeting where they discussed it? It just speaks to what Kelly said it was a discussion It came out that middle sex was the only one still using it and it just had information from people who I don't know are Part of our board and our dynamics. So it was interesting All right community members anybody want to say something about that before we move on Decided the salary piece to that it sounds like for a lot of them it is kind of plug-in a number but I Think there are some situations like if the board is just create a new position where there might be some discretion in that And there might be negotiations and I think it's important for the board to be a part of that So, you know moves are really good candidate. Yeah during that stuff great Staff board relations and communication does anybody know specifics about this Reports But also creating other Sources and information so we have a very full picture coming from a lot of different stakeholders And one of them is the staff And so I would like to propose I don't have a model to propose but I'd like to propose that I go off and identify, you know four or five different models that other schools are using and bring it back and We can talk about But they are using for connecting with staff building relationships Great, I would just yeah add Sorsha brought up a really good point about the relationship being a priority so Just sort of tweaking what you're looking into with the focus around Building a strong relationship between staff and board Multiple models Great Yeah, I thought having our kindergarten teachers calm was Oh, that was nice And it was so nice to see what they'd been doing what they thought was going well how it integrated with some of Amy's plans It gave me a much better picture of What was happening and frankly it made actually Amy's report on sort of how the school was doing generally It gave it a quite a bit of meaning and made made more sense So that was really nice. I was wondering too like we just invite teachers Can you come and and tell us what's what's going well? What's not going well? I don't know if they would be willing You should look into I don't know who you would necessarily contact but Chelsea public school did a lot around community engagement and Connecting with staff and I'm remembering little Invites we had a logo like a lot of work was done around it. So they might have some ideas. It's K-12 is This is your thing would in this is the intent of this to impart obviously fostering stronger relationships, but to prevent the Kind of the end-around engagements that board and staff are have having now that's You're not necessarily Healthy Anybody have thoughts administrators I Think it would be great to have more highlights. That's been kind of an area that I've been interested in cultivating is We have little showcase pieces, you know to bring to the board just for awareness Also students showing their work. I think is as I've seen other board's work It's a great way to have some Deeper insight that's even whether you have kids on in the school or not, you know I'm totally happy to Supply that kind of triangulation Facilitate it Thanks community members any thoughts Matt any genius ideas Start budget discussion for 2019 2020 3.5 anybody Yes, we can table that Can you actually can somebody help me like I did not even know where to start with this and I I know during that campaign I attended to look into budget issues Completely over my head like I didn't even know what the lines and I didn't know where to get information on what does this line mean So can I like resources would be where do I find this Sarah? Yeah set up a one-on-one meeting yeah, I think we could wanted after We had wanted this on here so that we didn't get to October-November with a rough draft and not have an idea of what we wanted in terms of You know like a percentage of increase I'm not feeling like I Can really focus on that right now. Does anybody mind if we table it? I don't think we can do much without goals Good point All right. Yes, please We did and we added 3.6 Which was goals But we were going to make sure that we got through our action agenda before we moved on but And We have the SU goals the WC SU goals that have been put out and part of the discussion will be Do we use those as a starting off point? Do we want to just adopt those right? Reports the board did anybody have questions on the administration report which is in the Supervisory Union packet And did you have anything to add? That was my next point. Go ahead So as you can see we're doing a lot of set up for next year and really pulling together to do some thinking about the sort of practices and And those types of ways that we kind of support Students motivation and learning So we also been Some different ways to like share some of the responsibility around some of the social emotional learning That's really pulling in some of the tier one kind of instruction around executive functioning and Some of those things that sometimes will block kids from being as successful as they might and this is kind of an area that I really do feel like is cutting edge and People aren't maybe using the windows that we've got available to us in elementary school To to the optimum levels, so I'm excited to see what the team comes up with I did want to let you know that we've had an adjustment to our playground plan and I'll be Making personal phone calls tomorrow As well as sending out a message just that we're going to postpone the installation till the middle of July And we're going to let northeast playgrounds really take the lead on that and use volunteers for some of the smaller Aspects of installation. I want to ensure that it's installed correctly as we really got into mapping out the planning with The kind of oversight committee became clear that the level of tools were very specialized Not something you've got out in garage like likely you know was at the list that was sent out to us and Along with that their availability was limited to Father's Day weekend And you know, I think it's a hard ask When we started crunching the numbers between them hovering the cement if they do the install Versus us paying and I'll be paying Nate overtime for being there for two days As well as the risk to us not having a deep well of experience In a volunteer crew in installing playgrounds I feel like we're in better hands to go this route and just postpone it and have a nice celebration at the start of school with ribbon cutting and voila That would still allow for some community engagement as well as participation It's just the time So with their availability and of course even that weekend was not for sure based on That's kind of how that's been looking right now Just wanted to kind of keep you apprised of what went into that decision And Yeah, it's a $2,000 cost, but when you subtract out the cement as well as considering Nate's overtime I think that it's you know pretty reasonable to move this direction And then the other thought I had was you know, I looked at two days volunteer with no kids available Like that's just really hard to do and you know, it may be possible to find someone Well, and that's why I feel like the level of volunteering That we're looking at which is putting in the borders moving the mulch that type of thing as well as building the dog I've hit and volleyball post that kind of thing that stuff kids can be around but we've got heavy equipment moving and It just worried me and you know Kids that of course want to help You do make a good point because Wolfie has gotten into the grinder at home Which was one of the required tools and I will say things did not go well and it was shot shockingly fast So it's probably I mean no a lot of those tools were yeah, I was kind of taking score But would somebody use it? Oh, I know yeah, so and I that was the other aspect Breakage as well as it's a lot of heavy lifting and I sort of worry about the risk there, too so I think this level of participation and pulling together will be just right because it could be extended or for several evenings and Come for a couple hours hang out So just to be clear the difference between having Community members do it over one weekend with supervision and and having somebody do it in there Totally was $2,000 was approximately $2,000 the $2,000 for like 15 people So you tracked out when Nate calculated out how much the cement was going to be just that aspect is going to be $500 in the quote for them doing it they cover that so No, I'm just like shock that 15 people for two days was like $2,000 savings. That seems yeah Well, they're also extending it over a longer period of time, which made me also concerned when I started comparing numbers that perhaps they Were being overly optimistic about it taking a crew of volunteers today, so so I If the professionals if it's going to take them three to four Hmm Anyway, I think it's a safer and better option for us with out the loss of An opportunity for people to feel ownership around helping Fiscal any questions of what was in the packet any updates Amy? So there's three items. I want to kind of draw your attention to one is the utility savings 24,000 something 215 I'm sorry Is page 26 in addition we got a rebate on our student transportation Which the district then back to the schools and then finally the school-wide closed-down savings, which is typically related to a Staff salaries and that type of thing so that savings was 34,980 dollars And that will be finalized in the the final figure will be Arrived at at the August audit So you'll hear about that in September I Would say the the one thing I'm just going to surface is that I've had a request from teachers to actually have some help with building up their classroom libraries and That's been an area that they haven't Focused as you remember earlier in the year and did a rebuild of some of the small group instruction type of libraries But really the classroom libraries also are meeting a little bit of freshening up and I'm wondering if the board would consider Allowing us to act on that sooner rather than later as we also have math that's kind of breathing in the way waiting in the wings If we couldn't maybe consider utilizing a portion of the 32,000 Building up classroom libraries. What do you project the rough costs to be to do that? I think to just get started it would require a thousand dollars for her actual classroom So I would say nine to ten thousand would be what I would request of course. I'll take anything that you're willing to Consider That was something that surfaced out of our discussions today in staff meeting as we were considering kind of Supplies and our best ways to kind of arrive at those budgets and To meet the need for the same Winning registry for each classroom Parents when they come to the end of the year gift and they're not sure what to do Could then go to Christine that kind of site and buy her You know the quarter like for whatever and then The funds to supplement anything that doesn't come in I don't mention we'll get a lot of it We might get a quarter. I think I think that's a great idea a lot of Schools will do that through their You know like book Sales that kind of thing like with scholastic which you know doesn't always offer the highest quality right now I think the challenge is is that we've got this Cluster I think I spoke to you and Matt spoke about the Difficulty finding good fits for those early readers and those aren't typically things that we can get on Amazon So but I also think that there could be a place for us to say hey parents We're trying to build our classroom libraries. Would you consider this? Would be fine Something I did when I was a classroom teacher and had the kids sign each book and you know It's a nice little reminder of the year together, so Just something to consider. I thought of the surface that faculty Tonight because Lori Bebo has told me that if I if I wish to use that money, I need to have a Even a portion I think could get us started with some some They're expecting it to be a multi-year thing and having said that In my own like at ideal levels It was 1200 books in my classroom library that really took it to you know make a really robust reading program So that's what we're building toward. It's not what I'm asking for tonight. I mean we're talking about books for kids and From my point of view we were looking to spend $3,000 on a community forum. I can't imagine not putting Oh, I can imagine if you're signing We said we should put up because we should ask each question like how does this affect kids? What is the impact? Yeah, how how will the decision we make tonight? What I wanted to look at in your budget form was I knew that we were over the 4% threshold of Sort basic reserve funds available and Strongly recommended that you have 4% and we haven't had anything it's been a while since we've been around those numbers So we're about 6,800 dollars actually over that so I feel like there is some some room to Dispend some money. I don't know if it's all the 6,800 or not, but I don't know what other Meets that we Don't know about yet that might also play a factor in that but I think that's at least a starting point So this was one bit of feedback I got from a teacher just so you kind of know current status She said good fit. This is a first second grade teacher good fit nonfiction books in her range that she teaches Because she's stated that a lot of her nonfiction books right now are really too hard for them to read So they just dabble and look and there's a place for that But she wants some that they can actually read fiction books that are short but engaging several teachers talked about how a lot of the The read that they have may be not the high interest for the reluctant reader I have some of these but they're old and not super interesting to kids is her quote that's Plumbing And that we have the propane tank issue to do I believe all the PO's for that work We have not we've assured that that's been set aside you're talking about the Yeah, yeah, okay, so that's taken care of well It's good probably it most likely it's gonna hit your capital budget your general budget. It's buddy $300 The right to POS have been done. I remember saying let's put this to the capital budget. Okay, Brian I shared my Going around Allison, I don't know that we heard from you on this. Oh I I'm your Brian sentiment Like I kind of want to know exactly how much we have to play with and I would say that seems like an awfully worthy cause About the best there is our literacy numbers. We're not, you know So am I hearing that what Brian and Allison are saying is to use the $6,783 and make that the amount I mean it feels like we don't have that earmark for anything else at this point, right? So you need to be aware of that that 4% is just an arbitrary percentage There's not I wouldn't be doing what I wouldn't be cutting the line the way you are I would say if Amy has needs we should try to find those within you can see there's some savings from shutdown right there that go into that Total bottom so we could authorize her to spend that The auditor will not like us to do that right now at the end of this year. You will see an exception Would not like us to do what to go spend money this year's budget For next year of work because that's going to look like any buy from about May 15th on there like yeah You're just spending down the budget and you're not really going to use it this year. You're pre-buying It's a known tactic which is why Friday would kids touch the books before June 3rd June 20th That's what you have to prove the kids touch the books But I do hear you bill So if you want to set aside money To say next year go ahead and buy that for the beginning next year you can do that and you can do that now too I think it's good for the board to say we recognize This is where we're at and we want to ensure that some supplies are used out of where we are the funding To support learning or whatever project it is. I don't want to single out this project So now that I'm not a principal. I just want to say it's always interesting the like Auditors not liking something versus something being so here's something well, there There's very little there's a lot more that goes against general gap Generally accepted counting principles. Yeah, then there is in the legality and where it goes there Is then you start to go down the fraud road? Mm-hmm, and that's how you can get into And so it's better if one of the things that helps us a lot is That that we show we have a system where we follow our procedures and our practices So if we were to purchase something now, which is not allowed in our procedures To do and that was found they're going to say so how tightly bill or lorry In charge of the financial assistance do you keep people within the procedures? So would we got it? So would we be yet? How to step with the procedures that no not well This is where the board authorization helps out like we're saying hey we want you to go spend this money on this because That money is already in there. You see it at the sorry I don't my glasses. I say seven thousand nine hundred dollars and we move money in between lines all the time to do things But you need authorization because it's between May and June. I Don't it's it's because we're shutting down right now Once we hit shut down, which is starts the end of April Finishes by May 15th. Yeah, we're trying not to spend any our practices around this issue for years Well before I was here, but definitely through the 22 years of lawyer who's been here is we don't spend We encumber stuff and PO's and say we plan on spending this on you on June 20th, and that's okay We don't make decisions to spend. Yep after May 15th Because that looks like and so having the board say okay, we would like to have this money reserved to for this expense The jump the projected because you're in projected fund balance right now Your projected fund balance is much higher than your actual fund balance So you can't your board your town is only giving you authorization to spend your actual fund balance This won't make a difference, but I just want to make sure that what you see on the bottom is the projection Your only fund balance. You actually know is what's at the top that hundred and seven This is and Laurie's done this for years is trying to keep the board's informed about what the projection is going to be I don't think it and with Laurie's good work That's never off more than The couple thousand dollars because she's that good at what she does and with her team so This is not my forte so trying to understand this if the What happens come July 1st? We so what happens July 1st? We don't know until about September First what the actual audited fund balance will be and once we know what that is Let's say it goes from the hundred and seven up to Hundred seven thousand to a hundred thirty three thousand Then that hundred thirty three thousand is available. It was a hundred and seven before and So you could you could do it then you could do it now. I'm not trying to stop you from doing I just want you to hear the knowledge of the the way the finances work here and so The and having you tell us to go do something right now or reserve it for July 1st or even spend it now That helps us with the otters say hey the board saw this as an important project and told us to go do it Where we usually in our practices Don't we're not we're not committing to something to spend after May 15th So what you're saying is that as long as the board authorizes yet? It won't be an issue with the issues if you guys just did it on your own, right? We yeah, it may not be a Audit exception, but it may be a recommendation. You need to be tighter on your procedures to you If you guys did it on your own versus if we yeah, okay Well, even us doing it though, you feel it sounded like at the beginning you were saying to be careful because we were getting right down No, what I'm saying I just want you to understand there isn't you were literally cutting dollars down to 4% and I want you to understand that 4% is somewhat Yeah, okay, got it. It's it's it's literally this It's not anything you know How would you get that to be a real number you'd start to say so how many what's the potential for a number of students that might be high-cost? Special education, what would their net cost be to us? What's the potential for the most major system to fail and run me right now? It's the oil boiler. You know, what's that cost? You know, where do you have money in the back? You had to do this risk analysis For $6,000, I don't think it's much but I just want you understand 4% is not a hard line But it's when you were down here with 2.3 at the beginning of year and you heard it from me. I was like, yeah, I'm a little worried for us So little thing so this feels okay to me We are we are not at me 15th and if we make a decision apparently that makes it I mean, I feel like we're meeting all the criteria for if Amy feels like when she needs money for books We can't approve that are we? Does anybody see any problems with this the only problem I have is feeling like if a decision is based because We have money will use it like using Like if you budget for something and then you spend it just because it's there, but this sounds to me for me It's hearing from the teachers last week about those book boxes that was huge and That was one grade level So now hearing that the whole staff shared similar Things it feels like it's it's a need and we're finding a way to make it work versus We have this money and we're deciding how best to use it. Does that make sense? That's where I went in my thought process based on our kind of previous discussions Today as we sort of fleshed that out. It was interesting to just hear kind of teachers perspectives One of my third and fourth grade teachers actually went back and surveyed her kids Which I loved and she asked them, you know, what do you think of our library and they identified gaps? They also told her that she had been on fiction organized wrong Which I loved so, you know, I think the reality is is As I was trying to trim kind of where our focus is to make the biggest impact I was hearing from my 5-6 teachers. They're like, yeah, they could go into the library and get stuff and sometimes I think they're just going into the library to just take a little mini field trip kind of thing So they were they were also advocating for perhaps building an in-classroom library I think it's certainly how we end up slicing that as a staff You know, we'll probably be slanted towards those early grades where You can't just fill it at Scholastic or Go and pick something out of the library. So it won't be exactly equal I'm just as far as the dollar amount just because the types of resources in their early grades cost more so So to that point is the library The library is the the outlet for the upper grades primarily What's what's the status of of the books there? Well, I think what we have to realize is that there's different purposes for library books versus independent reading books or Books that are utilized within classroom time I would encourage every child to have at least one book going from our school library every week and You know, that's a great connection point to home It gets gives long extended reads it allows for the older kids but they also need as Matt was pointing out this like Chunk of books that are in their bookbox that are accessible for during their reading time Because the teachers aren't connecting the students with the library books, right? And it's important for them to get to like to like follow their fancy there You know and they still can in the classroom, but it's just You know the library books that they check out They can be taken home and mom can read them or dad can read them at bedtime and older sibling could read them They could just book brows, but our time during our literacy block we expect them to be actually practicing the thing and There's quite a few grades that that wouldn't be my go-to place to get just right books for them and Read alouds are super important For just building understanding of literary features and interests and a lot of topics so Does that make sense? Reading it's the reading to learn versus learning to read Do I have a motion? So you said a thousand dollars per room nine to ten thousand dollars was your total request That was my ballpark. I can adjust if you guys want to be more conservative I totally understand that and I'm going to be trans. There's math needs brewing That I don't want to ignore it, but I felt like this was an opportunity to actually surface that teacher voice In what they're asking for I admit where I around with a discussion of a playground came up I probably would have fought to not actually improve a playground, but books you got me there Yeah, I would move to spend ten thousand dollars for books for our classrooms as designated by the principal's request as So Yes, do I have a second Discussion I'm I would vote in favor of the motion keeping it at ten Nobody else had comment. Sorry All those in favor I opposed no, thank you So on page nine It's pretty clear we are approving We need an authorization to approve Derrinda Corwell the Middlesex Town Treasurer Do I motion? Second modem. Thank you discussion All those in favor I and we need to sign and date And I will pass it around There is also a place in here for just Allison to sign as the Clerk the board clerk. Don't forget to pass it back to Allison We all there's like three pages for everybody in a special spot for Allison 5.2 award revenue anticipation note page 10 This is about the bid Do I have a motion modem. Thank you second from Allison discussions. Yeah, quick question Bill we previously with merchants and that's They've changed their name. I know I know they buy bought out. So I guess that's what I meant So it's always merchants Community back community back. Yeah, so it's okay. We're not changing. I don't think we're changing. I think we're in the same thing Laura would have told me that But it's not complicated. It's something you need for your taxes. It's a somewhat All those in favor Five point three award investment bid isn't that the same thing or there are two on the same page We need to separate doing different documents in the The Auditor and the bank like to see two separate motions one for investment one for the note All right, can I have a motion for the award investment bid? Second Discussion all those in favor Five point four approved first reading of D3 Romney school principal preservation policy. Do I have a motion? I Don't think we need to vote on moving it But I do have a question Bill it's listed here as a first reading and on our last agenda It was a discussion item and we weren't going to vote on it because it wasn't an Action item and now it's listed as first reading. Is there a difference in terms of something being a first reading? Does that mean that we So say there was a board member that didn't want this policy to exist Does having it listed as a first reading make it more difficult to have it disappear? No So you do nothing until that stage we don't vote it down after first reading to not whatever you want You can vote it down or you can do wherever you want or approve to move it on at any stage We've changed to this way of making sure because we've had some times in the past where people challenges I did you actually have a first reading and we said okay, and this was a couple years ago I'm Chris that I said, you know, so make a lot easier for you Okay Great a point representative to the negotiations committee are there any nominations And negotiations is usually long Is it up this year or no, yeah, yeah, so you're talking big commitment And then towards the end it goes till What this is about is this And when It depends on the year we start sometimes we start in September some years we started It's when both It usually lasts five to six months and it can go anywhere from a couple of months to did you sign these? In my time here, we haven't gone past Chris has served as the alternate yeah in the past for you. It's either been Lowry or Yes, that was a very very She's very good at it This is something that I could potentially do December January and February Maybe March so we have we have a rule that's agreed upon that everybody stays at the end No, that whoever starts starts, but no one can come in and sub for you Right, so you can't if you if you can't and if you miss a meeting just miss a meeting That's usually that has been in the ground rules the past three times because it's they've had experience where people came in and out of Conversations there's different people And especially in the IPV process If we table If we table that till Chris is here because if Chris was willing and wanting None of us would need to would it hurt the committee to not have a middle-sex member Right now it is not there is some There's some hope that things might start early Okay, I Can't say we can try to acknowledge me and see if he's available. There's that not allowed. I don't We could nominate him While we're waiting was there anything Else that the community members wanted to share or say before the end of the meeting Kyle so On the future agenda answer, I guess when is the next meeting because I am wondering about the Act 46 stuff is you talked about having a meeting later this month But this board is not going to be before then right I So generally this is it and we try not to meet in July I don't sit. I'm not going to presume much with you should come back in office. That's been our pattern Do the retreat sooner than later I mean essentially like the AGS proposal that every board We too is a policy document and the area's opinion of it does not resemble them. So their names are So I wouldn't expect that like the district where it's need to Everybody made you feel that the Doty board will meet into the conversation with our community today to get started But I don't think every district board Is It's really it's at the state board this all the boards have said to your position And I guess I just felt like the This is sort of what the state had wanted all along so the agency of education was our best shot, but I could be wrong Do You didn't get him didn't get him. All right, I'm gonna table it then Do you want to say that yeah, you can say I mean It is It is a policy that a board member put forth a Little over a year ago and that would give the board more involvement in Decisions regarding the principal We got we paid and got advice from our attorney who advised against it And we have a board member who still wants to move forward What yeah, yeah By something I would see in a board packet for a few reasons and I guess I should say again You know I've served on the boards, but I'm also So I'm very Sensitive or overdeveloped appreciation for like roles of responsibilities between the board and the executive And I guess to the root there's four things that kind of relate you know the first is my understanding is that it's Possibly what I would call like quasi-legal or sort of my reading of the legal comments that we're on You know it conflicts to some extent with existing state statutes And maybe within the board is perfectly to pass it anyway or that there's some gray area there But in my experience when boards take decisions in gray areas of the law It is increasing the risk of lawsuits essentially Because you're just creating space Where people can say well, this isn't clear or the law says this and the policy says this and they're not like in sync with each other So that's just one sort of practical Consideration the second is why I alluded to earlier, which is that You know we essentially have policy across about hiring and firing in the role of the superintendent in that process And so to have a district that you know sort of intentionally takes a Divergent path on such a critical issue Seems to me both bad policies from the organizational standpoint And also a particular moment in time Exactly the kind of thing that I think You know The other two issues are one is that you know the Hiring and firing is one of the most critical responsibilities of the executive that we hire for the board to be meddling in that or to be Crotain like trying to modify that ability in some way or control it is essentially for all intents and purposes of avoid no confidence In your executive and it's okay. That's your sentiment But I would argue this isn't the way to express And the last thing I would say is that it really sounds a disturbing signal, I think And a ripple across the system. I'm not sure is crystal clear You know on its face Which is that you're essentially signaling to People that work for the superintendent That they are not actually accountable to him or her in full That there may be chinks or avenues or Gaps through which they can appeal or develop relationships with board members or Kind of get around the recording process. I think they're not only To people that report to the superintendent But also to the people that report to those people, you know, they also feel the same I have had some experience with the board to Go in directions like this and it is Unpleasant and does not work. Well So I just felt like I really Thank you Kyle were you saying something before then? No Appreciate that this seems like it's coming from a very specific situation obviously that it's still in my mind very unresolved and It seems like the logical avenue of some sort of restorative justice process Has been decided you're not you decided you're not going in that route as I understand it and so Doesn't surprise me police that other avenues pop up to try to address this Situation that happened at our school and tour our community apart Thank you 6.0 approved board orders. Do I have a motion? 39,422 dollars and 27 cents. Do I have a second? Discussion all those in favor Any opposed and our next meeting is The board retreat so we'll get Emails Before we adjourn did the Communication that won't and I have been working on Did anybody have comments? Is it are we ready to send it out? I did have a comment on that I'm so sorry. I had forgotten. Yeah, all about it until Kyle's Meeting on the 14th then so that our next meeting would be in July And or when the retreat Okay, we're doing it by email. You didn't miss anything. Do you have a copy of that is that anywhere should have brought it? No, you emailed it to us. Didn't you recently? Uh, what and did Here we go, um, I think it would be nice if we could start to get away from We don't agree like we couldn't agree as a board as a board We've been unable to agree on the goals and parameters of such event to more of a statement that Presents that this is a board we talked about it and the majority decided this thing so this is the board's opinion as opposed to I Don't know. I feel like we're constantly just perpetuating this idea that we can't agree we can't agree But we can agree we can agree that a majority means a majority and sometimes that opinion is not going to be the opinion shared by all but as a board it should be the board's opinion and I feel like maybe it would be I Would be nice if we could get to that place where we could all feel like yes, you know I mean somebody could ask and maybe this wasn't my opinion, but I could just without saying my opinion The board decided this, you know, we talked about it and we're a bunch of smart people who try really hard and So I guess I would propose In the second paragraph the second sentence Changing that from as a board we have been unable to agree on the goals and parameters of such event to And we received mixed messages about its potential usefulness to As a board the goals and parameters of such a such an event Was to be hard to do on the flyer Seemed unclear to us and we received mixed messages about its potential usefulness That you don't like that You wanted to say that we can't agree or you could say without saying we can't agree the board voted three to two It's We why? The right so you it's in the minutes from May 10th. You could say the or it was it from May 1st You could say the board did a straw poll Brian Allison Caroline voted no on phase one voted and Chris voted yes on phase one You could just take it right from the minutes, which have not been approved yet I Thought that we had a different vote than that that makes sense now that it was at the other meeting It was more I don't even know that we voted me Nobody was in favor of it by the second meeting. Yeah, I mean the majority was Not in favor of moving forward We could say as a board we had different visions on the goals and parameters as did the as did community members who attended the meeting Would that be like everybody had lots of different opinions? I mean, I don't really this is all just wording It doesn't really matter that much. I just sort of feel like as a board It would be really yeah, it'd be nice if we could move towards That one voice that we talked about the unibrow. Yeah I would I would say in regard to the community presence. I like to think that that informed our discussion, but didn't Losing the word at the moment, but you know sway our discussion because again, I want to you know, it's that whole idea of All voices and Although if I'm honest, I was pretty swayed by what Ursula was talking about I mean she seemed very clear like what she expected from something like that was very different I really got me wondering what other people expect from this and then you know, especially piece of you What happened sort of at that training event? I went to and realize I mean how many hours it takes to get a good result And that isn't in those minutes. That's the piece that you said that didn't get in the minutes of May 1st Okay, well, maybe we should add those too Yeah, I thought that was really I Mean, I you know, I'm not gonna I don't want to be a big lie in the I think it makes sense that if we're sending it out And it's taken over a year We don't want it to say Because the reality is it is so much deeper than the board couldn't agree. It's yeah I mean, yeah Different vision on Maybe we've as a board we've been unable to define the goals and parameters of such an event I like Allison's wording a lot. I think it's honest and I think it Encompasses at all She said as a board we were unable to Determine the We had different goals for the I think we all Our goal was that yeah when we move forward we're gonna come out of it in a better place I mean, I'd like to think that's what everyone's think that's true But the parameters were very different. It might have been yeah, there might be a people might have had different Me my memory is that some some like for instance Carolyn I thought you felt like we should definitely try to restrict the conversation using guided mediation to help make sure that we stayed focused and on topic and woden my impression of how you felt about it was more that you felt like what people needed to bring up they needed to be able to bring up and Yeah, I guess I felt more like woden did I just felt like an impossible task It felt like there was no way we could possibly accomplish that in one community forum. So why waste the money? I don't know. It just seems After learning a little more about it like there was like what we needed was simply not happening without tremendously more resources than we had yeah, but And then Brian I'm sorry to say I can't actually remember how I can't remember how you came down on it I Had For me it wasn't as much around the parameters as it was around the proposed process and The investment and What what could realistically be accomplished With you know with sort of the structure that we had been presented And I did have concerns about that my opposition to phase one was that it felt like It we could go to spend money and go through a process that was very inclusive It felt to me and come out of it that or exclusive. I'm sorry and come out of it with Not we decided not to move forward anyways, and so like we've invested money. That's not Really well spent and we've potentially created more riffs because of nature in which at least I saw in that process Was going to take shape so I think those are some of the Issues that I had Could you put a note see the board video from we don't have a video tonight In the in the letter if they if they if you want more detail Well the last one that was on the table was Go ahead as a board. We've elected not to move forward on holding a community forum instead we've chosen to use direct those resources as well as others to replenishing the classroom Libraries it's a little disingenuous. We didn't actually do that. That's true. Well, that's true Although if I were fighting with my husband, I would totally But I will true, but I but I do remember the I remember because I said it at our last meeting what after the presentation from the kindergarten teachers is that $2,800 And there seemed to be consensus amongst the group on that so But Our But I'm happy to reframe it more positively that I do think it's important to note that they are having very different ideas about what this event would do and That was part of what we're doing. I've been on board What have you all agreed on the on the goals of framers we you know, we've all done it So You know, I'm happy to reframe it I Again, I'm push I'll push back on the goals because I mean unless Yeah I think so, yeah I mean what I what I'm kind of bringing out like as a board we felt that the resources that would be needed to meet the varying needs of Community members were beyond what middle sex had available But it's kind of that's cutting the Gordian knot and completely skipping past sort of the sentiment that you wanted to say and replace it with another I'm okay with it. It's as as amended Can you just read it one more time? Is that accomplishing what you would hope to accomplish with this else I mean not exactly compromise. Maybe we get there exactly. I feel like this is It's okay. It is no surprise that it's it's an ongoing process. So Well, we sort of just I think we I think we said it out because we had decided at the last meeting it Sort of that we would just send it So I think we have to get it out And I I'm sorry. There was one little In terms of the questions that we received You didn't think We would be remiss not to talk about equity of opportunities for students as well was a was something that we tried to So I would just say that Loden and I were paired intentionally and Because I did remember the question about equity of opportunities we felt that policies and procedures was a compromise and We both had lines in there that we thought would be descriptive both of us removed one in lieu of policies and procedures and My fear would be as much as I agree with you Brian. My fear would be to put that back in Would only then fairly open it up to more. I Thought this I thought it was actually very well done. I thought it was very actually that was kind of clever Yeah In fact, it looked to me like you had bolded it, but I Was just the copy that I got I'm getting I could be I'm getting a laptop I just my friends have to delete their stuff first and it's taken six weeks So I'm like I would have just got a bottom. Anyway Yeah, so I was doing it all from an iPad. I don't know what was So I guess for me, I'm okay with it as is I do feel like it's it is a compromise between Odin's version and mine and I Just want it. I just want it out before the end of the year and So people know where we are and can raise questions and communicate with us, maybe It would guide our retreat. Maybe it wouldn't but But I get some communication. I just said someone who advocated for it last year and throughout this year If I could have made that mean I think I said that no Supported it and I haven't talked to people who have done these types of processes and suffer early Tim and I Guess I didn't even fully understand there was that that you were looking at not doing anything I understood the process was more setting that parameters so When I heard from someone last week out of the blue that the decision was actually not to do what was promised in February 2017 Really took me by surprise and I am disappointed. It'll just voice that it's obviously been a difficult process and I understand it's very complicated but That might be some of the feedback you get or maybe it's just It wasn't clear to me that was what was actually At issue. I thought it was just how is this for me? Are you clear on how you're distributing? So I think we had talked Over a year ago that we were going to put it in the school newsletter On front porch forum not put it there But put that there was a link to the website the board's part of the website So So what That was what we had said last year I think blackboard message is fine and that way it's very clear that it's from the board I kind of would like us to Not always publish in the school newsletter, but that's just me Well the front porch forum just says where they can find it. It's not actually I mean now that it's so short Front porch forum might work, but And the board website Personally, I don't want it in the school newsletter. I just it's We can put something how about we do this we put a newsletter There's a comment the board posted some information about their statement about I'll take it right from what's in there But something that you know, maybe we'll take it right from there But say you'd like to know see the whole statement Let's go to the school board website If you'll send a list of the blurb, she can put that in Okay, so I should write it just a very brief word saying whatever you want the statement in here is very funny Okay, and then the last thing was a blackboard I Like getting it at that, you know, fun or something like that I'm sort of a soldier I was just thinking But yeah, please if you want it seen then I'd send it out on my board Otherwise, you know, it may not be seen in this people are busy with Congratulations Blackboard just an email through And possibly also on the I have recently learned there is a middle sex community Facebook page So can I give a tip about Facebook? You have an official Facebook page for the board you have official website Well, you have a there's a Facebook for the school that can point people to it for the Facebook for the school you You can use Facebook if you wish But your official site is your school board, right? We're just trying to make sure So yeah, I would just post it to the school board This is on the middle sex family. Sure. Well, okay All right Yeah, that'd be great. All right, we adjourn at 929 one minute shy