that objective Yes, right. There are there are ways to protect him. Yes. He's only a six wound hero. Yes, of course. He's removable He's not immortal. He's not even close There's plenty of ways to kill him. He's not he is not a six wound hero. Stop If you've got blade masters near him, I understand. I know he they have blade masters He's a 12 wound hero. I understand anybody anybody masters you've got around Well, no 50 50 on average 50 50 They're going to take half of his wounds and so on average. He's going to go to 12 wins. Sure Now again, uh Here's what I will say about that about all that, right? Um The the trick with this game the Yes, this dude is removable and certainly there are some armies that aren't afraid of this at all because like They just happen to have the right like ranged power projection that they can go I see what you're doing there No, and they can like burn this guy down at such a range to just get rid of him early right Okay, fine right but But that isn't a huge number of armies honestly Okay, they can just like dump mortal wounds into him very early or hit him with enough High rent that he can't like penny his way out of it or whatever, right? um The trick with it is this game is often won by Like holding an objective for one turn longer than you should have right um And there are places where it's like can I keep the question you should ask yourself is Is there a way I can keep this guy alive until turn three? Right where it doesn't matter what bodies are on the objective with me. Can I bubble wrap him? Or whatever Right where I can just keep him alive until turn three in most scenarios If he's holding his objective till turn three and then you've got other things off doing the rest of the work It's a huge step towards victory Right So my uh So my point is is that That like first of all, I hope they keep the unique and I hope you can only take one Okay um The we just want to give him magic. I don't understand what man dollies is answering their page three of pitch battle of ghp Can only be included one. Yeah, of course. We know that I don't I don't know what you're answering there man dollies You'll have to tell me like nobody nobody was arguing you can take more of these guys I was saying imagine a world where you could right? Like where they where they where they say unique was a printed in error because he doesn't have named or anything No, people want to give him magic items because it's like yes I think you'd like it would be neat to give him magic items or whatever sure that would be fun Right because he's not it would but that open like my point is it's going to open up a new space because this would be the first unique non-named character Right that we have in the game and and the reason that He's like that is theoretically because again, I argue they they realized he was too powerful And they needed to cap him and we don't have a way to write zero to one Right Other than saying unique That's it Right, we don't have like a little entry like we used to have in our old war hammer fantasy books That said how many of the unit you were allowed to take Right Yeah, yeah uh No, but I don't have any other comments about this guy. I really like it the celestine prime is a unique named character I've seen multiple people say this go read his war scroll. I literally shared it on twitter today The celestine prime is a named character. It says it right there. His name is the celestine prime That is his name The lion of sigmar. Okay.  I already I've already been there. All right. Go ahead. Go ahead, martin No, I said some people say it's a lore seeker and I keep or no This is this is the the apology for the original lore master of howas and Maybe they overdid it but apology accepted I love like I love everything about like when I first wrote lists I was like I won all the lore seekers and all the blade lords and I just want all of that And I you know and obviously better judgment won over and I diversified my lists and stuff like that but like If I could just go with all that I probably would do that I just love it I love all the toys and all the fun stuff and the spells and the fighting and the magic and Yep Yeah, so at any rate this guy's real interesting like he's a fantastic tech piece and at only 160 points That's why it's not that there aren't more powerful heroes or something like that like the tech on this guy is crazy Yeah, for what he allows and like there will be w's you will put on the board Simply by this guy existing regardless of whether or not he's allowed to take magic items You know, even if he stays completely unique Even if they they ruled it like the pitch battle profile statement that occurs over top of the points This is unique things count as named and blah blah blah whatever Like that you will still put some w's up on the board solely because you've got this one guy in your list Because he will hold a point he will be blade lord guarded You'll bubble wrap him and it won't matter You know because the just your opponent will not be able to take the objective off of you I was corrected in the comment. By the way um blade lords It's on a two plus and on a five four plus so Uh 12 is not the right answer It's like You know a lot lot lot more depending on how many wounds of sword masters you have Yeah, it's it's a lot Yes Uh, he's again. I I stand behind to my statement. He is the best hero in the history of aos Uh, there you go Okay, cool. Uh, good stuff great tech piece. Uh, please stay unique Please don't break the game and fix that fix that Okay So there we go Little wind mage, uh, he's real fast You know six inch move five up save he gets a little better against shooting He can like knock arrows back at people which is funny and cause mortal wounds He makes uh, when he makes wind chargers, uh go faster if they start near him Real near him like super near him Which is cool And uh, he's a wizard. He actually has a pretty interesting spell His spell is kind of cool. This is the first spell I've seen written like this There might be another one that exists somewhere, but I don't remember any of the spells structured exactly like this So maybe that maybe the chat will know um But like the way his spell works is it has a casting value of five If successfully cast in your next shooting phase You can pick an enemy unit within nine of the cast or enroll a die on a two-up. They take d three mortal wounds That's interesting because that allows him to like cast it somewhere Zip forward 16 inches and then hit the dude. He wants to hit with it Like he doesn't have to be in range in the hero phase Yeah, but it's nine inches. No, I understand. It's it's a danger close spell Uh, but I mean it doesn't matter for reasons we'll talk about later in the combat phase when he's not engaged He's gonna go six inches backwards but like he's Like I I think it's a bad spell. I think I think I think patently it's a bad spell because it still has to double check to see if it'll fire off that d three Yeah, at too close range Yes, it's a two plus at close range at nine inches range. Like I just This guy's a five up save hard pass Uh, I think this guy goes to shows up in a ton of lists because of what he enables reasons. I'll talk about in a minute Like I agree. I agree. Like I he was like him with a set of wind chargers is in one of my lists So I I think that like Like I don't think he's terrible. I don't think I think that he shows up in lists But I think that his week. I think the weaknesses that he has inherently make him very unappealing to me Uh, let me I want to answer a question because this is an interesting conversation. This is going around So so John Byard said would anyone be seriously upset if models that were unique weren't allowed in competitive play? Yes, absolutely. I would be furious Furious beyond reason as would like a lot of people because in your head you're thinking of of you're thinking of stuff But like I'm thinking of the mask Half of my heroes in sladesh are unique The mask silask like no, I bought those things because I want to play with my toys We're not we're they're not all archae on and stuff like that the mask is a perfectly reasonable Unique named character and they're cool and they have flavor in character I want these characters in the world and I want to pilot them it's need to pilot a named character and There's no reason why they shouldn't be allowed in competitive play why we shouldn't be able to find a home and balance them That's just that's a complete overswing Like I'm not trying to call you out john I'm just like there's there's a there's a ton of interesting named unique characters in the game that aren't like Gamebreaking many of which are never taken most of them are honestly competitively bad Right, like light of authoritarian comes to mind Like there's only a few that actually are even worth putting on the table in competitive play And in a tournament I want to be able to take the mask the mask has been it is the single best unit in sladesh Period. Yeah, and it's not because it's overpowering. It's because it offers unique things It's the only freaking unit I have there's a reasonably priced for what it does Right, so it's funny. It's funny that you bring this up because Um, like there's an event that we regularly attend where you can't take unique characters, right? um, and actually like it forced me to take a double take with my lumineff because Over most of my heroes that I take in my lumineff armies that I fill Like on one of my list building are named heroes. That's not true anymore That's not that's not a true fact of that that event you're talking about Well, it was at least at one point. Yeah, but that's that's raw. That's not holy events and raw is very different Like holy events used to to not have um named characters and like that years ago four years ago. Yeah It's true. I'm just acknowledging that those events do exist. They have existed and And but the reality is is it's it's difficult if that is the rule Because it changes the entire way that many armies play 100 percent. Yeah, sure and like and so Like I may have a perfectly viable army competitively if I have a name character if it is not a name character It is not a character. I it is not an army. I can take to an event Yeah, sure. So anyways, that's so at any rate people you gotta be distracted there But let's go back to the windmage. He's cool 120 point wizard. He's fine super fast. I like his speed Um, like I'm down with him. He's cool I like what he enables I think he's fine Well as you take the wind lore if you're not if not taking tech list you uh, you have your get wind of the wind Lore here. Yeah, he's he's one of you. He's your teleport enabler, right? Because that's where the new teleport spell is in that lore Or or techless sure of course, but I think yeah, you don't go ahead No, I was saying it's like if you're not taking techless. This is your gateway into the wind lore for your army. Yeah Sure Yeah, and I my honest answer is I think this dude will show up in a lot of lists not because of what's printed on this scroll But because of the the tool is the tech he's enabling enabling the teleport Enabling the wind the wind chargers to go faster Right it like he's just doing a lot of other stuff that isn't written on that scroll And like yeah, sure he's five wounds on a five up save but in that army if you're shooting at this dumb dumb After turn one or two like okay like You know what I mean like that's that's fine And so John's point is should a model ever be so powerful that its inclusion warps the power level of affection And allows it to play in a competitive space. It's a great discussion I think that's honestly a whole show like what should be the power level of unique characters That's a great show. Well, can I can I jump in? I want to flip that question I we don't have to engage it, but I want to ask instead the question of should unique abilities ever be Exclusively available on named characters that aren't on other units sure a great thing to talk about in that show Yep. Yeah, there you go Okay, uh like there's there really is this this that that the interesting thing that the lore seeker triggered there could be like a A whole show in and of itself because the presence of named characters and how prolific they are does raise interesting questions about how they get used Okay Oh, we're here at last. We're here at last boys tuck in Severeth Lord of the seventh wind The fox spirit in every furry's moment of celebration that they have representation in this game So, uh, that's not said with judgment You live your life You do you uh so The unique one is a hero The non unique one is not a hero very important to understand I'm good. I only have Severeth scroll up because we can just talk about you can just subtract two abilities from him and get the name He is the most mobile unit In the history of age of sigmar maybe ever Martin i'ma tell you a story All right Martin, I'm sorry. Martin. I you know back in the day. I used to play 40k. Do you know that? Um vaguely, but yeah Long time ago. I used to play 40k I played during third edition. I had imperial guard army and you know what I loved in imperial guard, martin um I'm gonna say rough writers You're not wrong, but also tanks. I love tanks Tanks are cool, right? Like who doesn't want like tanks tanks are sweet. They have big giant cannons on them right And one of my favorite tanks was the basilisk and the basilisk Had the super long gun like it was the world war one looking long gun, right? Yeah, kind of looks like a world war one type tank Same kid so around today. I'm sure it is probably the same thing. No, it is it is cool It's a great kid. I I love that tank. I might go buy one and paint one sometimes just for fun anyways, it uh that gun had a range of 120 inches 10 feet martin 10 feet Yes 10 it is all it is only surpassed by the death strike, which I believe has a range of 96 feet There you go. It didn't didn't exist when I was there 10 feet 10 10 feet man, and I used to think what a funny thing that is that's hilarious I can shoot tables at the tournament next to me. I can just start artillery shelling adjacent tables right and effectively the range was just unlimited and I love that the normal fox so the normal fox spirit not severeth his maximum move If you put everything into him He can move 121 Enches, that's right. He can outpace the basilisk He can go from bell to bell Like he can go across the table back and into the midboard before he stops in a single round Right How wonderful Uh, so there you go Uh, I now that's obviously an insane thing. It's never really going to be that but I thought that was a fun little factoid Uh, there you go. People are asking you the death strike the death strike missile is a meme It's apocalypse only I believe Um, I or you can use it in 40k now you use it to shoot someone's figure case in the parking lot Sure, of course. Yeah Anyways, let's talk about separate themselves. Yeah, 24 inch move five up save 10 wounds the uh, non named version the non hero version Has eight wounds still in a five up save Does have a five up after save. Let's talk about the rules with this guy though that matter because this guy does a lot of stuff So many rules In addition He subtracts two inches from the distance enemy models can pile in to a minimum of one while they're within three of this model Uh, remember he can pile in in any direction Uh, so he can like charge in and then pull out to three inches and make it so like if he does it right The guys on the edge can only pile an inch and he can kind of cause a traffic jam But people not being able to like pile around the people he's locking in effectively Like most of these guys he does have a three inch range And so he himself can still strike people if he's just towing the line at the edge of the three inch line Uh, so that's a that's cool Uh, by the way, we haven't I don't know if we've officially announced it, but the pile in wars have begun Yeah Begun the pile in wars now Yeah Someone asked, um, how does he move on to 21 just very quickly? There's all kinds of spells and other tricks that this army has just to like double move all kinds of crap just Yeah, zero It's being under the speed of haish and then using the helon command ability and being in the battalion is the short answer Yeah, I don't feel anybody like it's true. You'll have to trust me. The math is correct. Um So, uh, when he in addition Uh, you roll a dice for each enemy unit that's within Three inches this model when it makes a charge move on a three up they take one more to wound and get neg one to hit So that's cool. So he can when he charges into people He'll also give them neg one to hit further making sure that he can kind of stay alive if he ever does go into melee Which doesn't necessarily have to for reasons. We'll talk about a second Uh, he can scour so, uh, at the start of the charge phase You can pick a faction terrain piece and roll a die on a two up. You destroy it, but then he can't charge one inch Uh, yeah has to be within an edge of him. Yep So, I mean it like sorry obr your obelisks are just dead because like I would absolutely destroy the obr obelisk Because I could probably float him up to within an edge of that thing and still keep him really safe Because of the way they always put that thing right in the center of the board, right? So like that thing's dead But you know for the most part most terrain pieces are pretty bunkered in people's territory Uh, and so it's not gonna be super often used and the fact is it doesn't like pick up the terrain piece It just removes its special rules So like who cares if they destroy your idk boat like all right again Idk boats are annoying because they're just a physical object in the way Not because they sort of might do hit you for a mortal wound one sometime uh After he makes a normal move included This I love this. Okay after this model makes a normal move begin parins Including if it moves at the end of the shooting phase close parins, which is not a normal move Like what how win that's not you can't include that normal moves is a defined thing in this game It is And then they just said and also for no reason also jack in this other weird movement. He has Like which is also an FAQ question. Yeah, which I mean they're treating that other movement as normal move Which means they they can't move within three inches of an enemy It can't like it it it adopts all the limitations of normal moves It just didn't need to be there for this but anyways, so he can float over people pick an enemy unit Uh, he rolls a die on a three up. They take d three mortal wounds. So that's cool Yeah, uh spear of the wind at the end of the shooting phase this model can make a normal move of 12 inches But it cannot run or retreat In addition, this model can't in addition says like 17 times on this roll This model can retreat and still charge later in the same turn. So that's cool Which is actually really good because if you did want to keep bouncing people as they start trying Like you're holding them at an inch pile in and they're getting stuck So he can keep floating out and coming back in and hitting them and then sneaking out So he can kind of be bouncing off of them like this slowing down holding limiting their movement things like that, right? Keeping other pieces safe like he can kind of do that And then you could have like some windriders at three inches and they can't really get to them And the windriders also have a three inch reach blah blah blah blah. There's a lot of complicated stuff going on there Again, this is what i'm talking about with skill floor because if you want to use that hurricane and stuff well You have to like understand this like razor sharp positioning be using all these pieces exactly correctly Piling into the exact right place with the entire thing then retreating out then blah blah blah and so on and so forth The severeth cannot use helon the regular Guy can use the helon ability That's who that's why I said the normal fox can move 120 inches Uh, so uh, and then in your hero phase this model is within 12 inches of a friendly windmaze. You can also heal it so cool neat um The Yeah, that's because the normal version of him by the way loses the destroy faction terrain and loses the i do D three mortals on three up when I move over people Is also two fewer wounds one less rend on the bow Yes, he has only rend neg two and eight wounds instead of rend neg three and 10 wounds Oh, you know what gentlemen and this severeth himself is locked to yametrica There you go. Okay.  He is 300 points uh What's take um, I do appreciate that it's more um, it's not a A Like avalanor and the normal spirit of the mountain Yep, the spirit the normal spirit of the mountain I'd argue is one of is the most overcosted War scroll in this faction Like just the value that I think avalanor brings to the table is light years beyond what the generic version can do I agree. I've said I think I am on record saying I think avalanor The named one needs to go up 10 or 20 points and the non named one needs to come down 10 or 20 points Okay, continue. No it needs to come down like much more than that But anyway, um severeth and the wind spirit like the value between them is much more nuanced and you you gain Like it's it's a much the tougher decision to make and I appreciate that I appreciate how they made the two scrolls relatively similar in power There's real decisions to be made between these two Units and I like that and in fact like Severeth hasn't shown up in any of my lists, but the generic fox house Yeah, so I mean we need to address the elephant in the room with this guy Tom's video froze, which is funny because he looks very contemplative now. We can still hear you fine. Tom You just your video froze, which is funny. Uh, that's amazing My guess is your your laptop's about to die because you forgot to plug it in No, I'm at 100% okay. Yo, that's where that usually happens Anyways We need to talk about the elephant in the room, which is the off-turn 12 inch float that both he and his little non-named brother have Meaning that it becomes almost impossible to charge this guy in melee Uh, we all hope together that they FAQ that of course because yes, this guy can float 12 inches in every shooting phase Not just yours That should be FAQ to only be your shooting phase of course of course but Otherwise, yes, he becomes nearly impossible to charge because somebody moves up to within three inches Then you float back 12 You're out of charge range now. It's just that that's the math folks Uh, no You could just write it may or may be charged by marauders No, because they you're still not within 12 to declare the charge But you may be within 12 to declare the charge of another unit and then you just roll the hard dice A fair point a fair point prosecutors and I think the corruptus or war hydra Yeah, the unit said the war stomper mega gargant that I always build has a 3d6 charge. I can declare out to 18 inches. Yes As it stands now if they keep that you can float in every phase if they keep that like if that's FAQ he's immune to melee He's very very Immune is strong, but it's not that wrong Like it's close right like You have to track him hopes. Yeah, you gotta start like trying to surround him and and just like Which I love the idea of like I don't hate that idea. Sure uh That's a funny question. Stephen Powell so per scale how far is 121 inches and how fast is that in real life? I wish we had that table Oh my god, that would be so fantastic if we had like because you could do the dnd You know sort of things everybody has fun doing that of like how fast you actually running Well, six inches would be 30 feet equivalent, right? If that's what we're saying if that's are we just using the dnd metric here? So six inches no five inches would be 35 inches. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I guess normal humans move five inches So we're saying that's a 30 foot move, right? If we're just going to use the dnd metric, right? Right? Okay, it would be 300 feet at a hundred move Uh, well if it's five inch base then basically times that by five Right, let's just just keep it simple. Yeah, so he moves 150 feet Are you taking up? Yeah, whatever doesn't work. Yeah, it's 120 divided by five We haven't even gotten to the windriders yet times 30. That's the math Okay, so it'd be super fast. He runs real fast Yeah, so yeah, she got to go on a little fox hunt and try to trap and surround him and it's very hard uh so the um The answer is We hope they change that Competitively, I think this guy's interesting. I'm not sure like assuming they fix the float 12 inches Okay Assuming that is fixed as it should be then a Uh, that's a that's a good point. I think people people are working out the math and yeah, exactly You've started something here. Okay at any rate, uh, assuming they fix that I honestly think this guy's Probably fine Like it's weird for me to say that But he has a lot of rules Like he has a ton of weird rules but His damage is like it's okay. It's not You know, it's fine It's 250 to 300 points Like it's doing the appropriate scale damage, right even shooting For what he is. Yeah, he's four attacks on twos and threes his rend is fantastic. Yes right and He has and he does d3 damage, which is very swingy, right? Uh, which so it's it's sort of unreliable damage um Yeah, I'm not sure that You know, I I think of this guy surprisingly Somehow I think this guy's probably okay. I I think he's good. He's real good But i'm not sure he's like He's not overpowered or over the top I think that a lot like I think it's easy to look at all these ridiculous rules. He has which he does have a lot But I think that like if your army does have any kind of shooting and again if the 12 inches off turn gets fixed It's not that hard to chase down this guy and kill him because like He's got to go somewhere.  Yeah, I understand that like you can it might my point is the target He wants to shoot at he might not be at 18 inches for Right, but he's gonna move up 24 Shoot 18 and then move back 12. I understand that My point is if he's trying people the way people would want to use him four shots into a unit of 30 dudes It's not it's not cutting the mustard. Who cares? No, right? The way you want to use this guy as shooting heroes or something like that He's gonna remove strategic pieces. So he's on threes and threes effectively in that case, right? Yep. Yep and You know, like at that point his damage is again, it's good. It's not bad. It's good Uh, certainly against a four up save. He'll he'll resolve a decent issue amount of damage but Like then so let's say he's got to come up to like 12 inches to get your hero because you you've bunkered him six inches Behind the line, right and then he floats 24 inches away There's plenty of stuff in the game that will go catch that Sure Right. Yep. Yep So like yes, he's tough to catch And If you have shooting if you yourself have shooting This guy's in like You know, he's in danger Right Uh, like obr catapults or like destroy my Biopolis will show you foul villain Like at five up save is going to be a bad time for him when those five damage rocks start coming in Right. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm Uh that make the same attacks he does on on almost the same profile only five damage and no render the same twos and threes four attacks or whatever Uh, yeah, he's like despite how much this dude was hyped and I think he is good He's one guy Right, yeah, he's one guy on a five up save with a five up after save Like no, I think he is annoying Right, he will frustrate people and some armies will be much more prone to being frustrated by him So you're saying that he's gonna He's going to be a highly mobile Ranged attacking piece that will frustrate the opponent. Yeah So it sounds pretty like banging on all cylinders of him. Oh in restricting pylons To one inch sure if he wants to go get in melee, which again, is it it's he has some good features He may not he may not have a choice. Like he may be sure like somebody may come at him But all that to say that all sounds pretty MPE to me He very much could be very MPE. I think it will depend a lot on what your force happens to consist of right, yeah But yeah, I you know, he's I think he's Probably pointed correct He's gonna frust be frustrating But I think it's actually the right number of points No, I would agree with that It feels right it like I haven't played with him But it feels right just on on the read and knowing how he would play. Yes, and I agree keo will like Laugh at this guy because there's yeah, I can't he was like Oh, what do you got over there? Yeah, bring in the long guns. Let's get rid of this dude Okay, so yeah Yeah, uh, it it should be noted that he is not a monster No, he's not Um, so they can get cover And they can and they can stand on and he can stand on the shrine sure Because he is he is a hero Uh, he's not a wizard though. No, he's you've got to know. Oh, he's right. Yes. Yeah, if you Oh But he can he can stand on terrain, which is fun. He or he can garrison normal buildings That is true. He could go he could go hop in a building. Okay. Let's keep moving Huracan and wind chargers There we go. All right, battle line in helon incredible mobility Moderate range damage, but very hard to control good damage if they go all in I will point out that even outside of helon if you factor in the damage from their bow And then they charge and make their full attacks. They do more average damage against a four up save than a keeper of secrets I see no issues there. That seems completely reasonable I I'm sorry. I couldn't help myself with that one, but that math is uh fun um They their bow in melee does not get the helon bonus I want to be super clear here Okay, because like the it it will get the missile weapon when they shoot They will get it But they do not get the plus one attack with their Wind charger bow melee weapon profile because helon's ability specifically says missile weapons Missile weapons has a very discrete definition on this thing. It is this thing That's why it's under this this area called missile weapons Okay No, but now siri wants to talk to me Uh So, uh, yeah, that's fun slightly higher damage than a than a keeper of secrets for 130 points. It seems completely reasonable Uh, and they do have red donkulous movement shenanigans when you put them in the battalion. We'll talk about the battalion in a moment Uh, yeah, they're real good. We're we're not even three units yet. No, I know we're not a lot That's why we've got to keep moving These guys are good Best new unit that was introduced Super potent Again, they're damage as though even though I said it is slightly better than a keeper of secrets, which is true They their damage is still like, okay. By the way, what that is is about 7.15 or something like that all in Okay So it's not incredible just to lay that out, right Their bow does have neg 2 rend in combat because again, they turn their bow sideways. It's a kill shot That's why it's red too skill shot And uh, yeah, they can uh, they can move over terrain. Normally as they can fly they can also fly and become 16 if they start near Windmage and they can fly when they pile in they fly a lot is the point And um, yeah, and they ignore cover. Uh, yeah the Uh, the story I tell here all the time is in magic There was a creature called a wind drake Okay, and a wind drake was a 2 2 flying creature for 3 which is very unimpressive in magic And yet he became known as the wind drake And lots of different versions of 2 2 flying blue creatures for 3 got printed and they all collectively just got called windrakes Because oftentimes blue decks would win by simply controlling you and then pinging you for 2 with a wind drake every round and just slowly killing you Chinese drip torture style or whatever, right? Just good 2 2 2 2 2 and you're dead Uh, so sometimes even a humble 2 2 flyer can get there this guy I I love that in magic they were called wind drakes and it became wind drake hence win chargers Uh, there's no d on this worse scroll. My my worse scroll didn't come with a d. I don't know They don't have the d because They gave it to you so That's where This unit comes from It's after midnight we can Now um someone asked at the very beginning of the chat like I don't really have many thoughts on them They they play in a way that um, I like I really was like more of the combined arms the venari stuff like that That really hooked me this this plays in a way That just you you almost entirely play around your opponent Like the pilot the the pylon wars are currently Like they are winning the pylon wars. Sure. They pile out they they they pylon whatever direction they want instead of piling in the normal way With someone asked the very beginning of the chat like I want to say two or three hours ago Um, are these supposed to be like like mongols? It's like no, these are our allirian reveres Yeah, like they've been they've been bit by bit kind of remaking Some of the units from old high elves. These are your fast calf Yeah, yeah, that's that's allian reveres will be my counts as There you go For this unit. Yes Again one of the better units probably in the meta period right now They have everything they need to win between their their hurrican ability and their speed. These are an incredibly incredibly powerful unit Like yep to control the battlefield with their movement um, and because you know, so one of the uh, invents is like army how to You know lose friends or whatever one of hit one of the tactics that he proposed was moving up three of these units Like to to hold objectives or to screen or whatever and like you'll get into one of them But even if you charge to all three as after that activation Yeah, that's usually because You double activate the other two just leave combat. Yep And they can do that all game right like that's the key got to think about imagine I have three units of of wind chargers Okay, I've got three units of wind chargers blocking your space to where you want to come forward to the objectives You charge all three of them Okay, it's your turn. So you get to activate first. Okay. I'll activate and I'll attack this one Maybe you kill that unit of five dudes. Maybe you don't maybe I'm in seer and I double penny them. So now they're a three safe Okay, so you don't kill all of them my turn. I activate the other two wind chargers. I pile away six inches So even with your charge you can't get back into combat against them, right? You'd have to have a three inch range weapon Which most people don't have like giants could still catch them Or six inch enemy wardens or six inch violent. Yes.  Awesome Now I'm gonna, you know move in such a way as to be a hindrance or not, right now I just put them back and we do it again Yeah, and we do it and you charge me and I just leave. Yeah, I just leave I just spend the whole game going. Nope. Nope. Nope and pulling them back And I'm just I'm limiting you to basically going nowhere every round Right and so that one hero or that small unit on an objective You just can't get there right because there's always this unit in the way That you're going to charge and then it'll just pile back six inches and stay out of each of you all game, right? And heaven forbid separate whoever is in there Who's nearby who could reduce your pile into one inch?  You charge me Like one maybe one dies. Maybe one doesn't the other two just leave six like leave six inches Right, and then on my turn I go back to three inches away And so you're locked in combat again, right? And so like I've made your move speed of your army three inches right Right because you can go back in Lock them in combat and then as soon as they would attack, you know Like and then pile of pile back out. It's just Hope you gotta be a rich weapon It's gonna be really frustrating. Yes, like that. This is what i'm talking about. This is how you This is this is like a key strat in my how to lose friends and alienate people army Right because meanwhile what i'm doing is holding all the points behind you Right and just winning the game like I set up my lore seeker He's holding a point is he's fine You know like again if you can shoot him down great you shoot him down but for melee focused armies like Whatever What happens if I get double and you just spent two turns killing five models, right? Yes, exactly because the set you get to pick one. Okay, you double me. I go back six inches. You're three away. You charge me again Okay, right activate one you kill one of my maybe you kill one of my units Maybe you don't you get one unit activation and when that one unit activation is done I'm going to take the other two combat Right, you cannot kill more than one unit per your per combat base period yeah Unless you get into more than three units at a time right and more than three Which by the way, I would make it so you're getting into three units at a time Like ideally you just take like five units of three or something layer. Sorry, you know, I'm saying five units Yeah, right. And yeah, you just let and you just layer them so that like you can continue to stagger and delay and yeah Yes Yeah, and as we said, they're always get better range and better rend in combat because they turn them sideways It's a kill shot. That's it's written in the lore. I'm pretty sure page page, uh 742 of the lumeneth realm lords book the Wind chargers turn their bows sideways for kill shots. Okay, and may I uh ballast ease Let's talk about the ballast ease Uh decent but uh reasonable ranged output probably compares poorly to sentinels But it's an easy throw in unit at a hundred points Uh, they have two attack space. They go to three if they don't move four in the battalion I don't think you'll take the battalion very often for reasons. We'll talk about a minute Um, the shooting is okay, you know 30 inch range is good. Certainly. That's very great Um, but you know threes and threes neg 2d3 damage Yeah Yeah, they're fine Right. I mean like Yep They get a six up ward save Okay Yeah Like it's fine They they can once per battle make somebody neg one to hit so it's more neg one to hit Uh coming out of these guys another opportunity at neg one to hit which is great This is again going back to the skill floor thing, right? Like being in shining company and knowing when you're gonna get charged and then making sure you know that unit's gonna charge You know, so you hit him with the neg one to hit something when they come into your shining company You're neg two or neg three because the other thing's going on because you've also got a big stone mountain guy Hanging around and he's giving him a neg one and suddenly like now You're holding your point with a neg three to be hit and that one turn that you really need to hold it for And if you execute that at the right moment and have the units in the right position Then you just win out of hand if you do it wrong You lose right like that. So I think this will show up as a winner In a lot of lists because it's neat to have a neg one to hit Kind of on tap for when you want it and it is the cheapest unit in the book Uh, yeah, I I just I I only I only just now realizes the cheapest unit of the book I love that that was like wait a minute. He's right. Yeah It is I mean like in building lists, I kept having a hundred points left or something round about that and I was like Well, the the scenario like the one like the one scribe is hundred points. It's And I that's sure. Yes. He is the other he is the other What would you rather what would you rather have an auto Eclipse every other turn or a or a crossbow that doesn't turn sideways in melee. I'm taking other things for my for my All right, you'll find 20 more points and put in 10 more bodies somewhere. Sure Uh, so anyways, yeah, but this is cool. I I think it's fine It's it's fine. Listen. It's fine. Yeah And it it does both of our things it does both of our things. It's not like Crazy, it's not blowing up units. It's damages again. It's you know d3. So fine like okay Doesn't break rules No, it's this is just like yeah, that's why it's so weird to talk about because it's just like, okay like a ballista Sure, it shoots like three times on threes and threes at neg 2d3 damage. So it's like Fair so it's just like a it's like a ballista Like a normal artillery piece that we would expect to see it in army Yeah, okay, cool. It's like, all right cool Yeah, it's fine Venari blade lords All right. All right. Here we go.  I stand behind that I don't care that they're actually probably not the best role, but that's fine Uh, they they have sun metal weapons, but they don't actually have sun metal weapons I know on the scroll it says sun metal weapons That's a lie. I really want to know the backstory to these like was that pulled at the last moment because it was too powerful I have to believe the answers. Yes in like late stage play testing They were like, oh, it's way too powerful if these guys can swing in in chopper mode with with sun metal weapons So we got to pull that Their main role is as the bodyguard for scenario, which I think is actually really good because as mentioned they do bodyguard Scenario models on a two up they take their their wounds, which is really which is really strong Especially because you have scenario like the lower seeker.  Yeah, go man Yeah, I because this has already been a long show and I don't want to drag it down too much but it was like this this this like I was I was hoping this was the opportunity for us to get a true hammer like glass cannon unit sure like This game already punishes elite infantry enough Yeah, like it's going to be five to ten bases in a unit like for their max 15. They're small bases Um, there's technique. They're technically slow. I get that you can ramp that up, but like I um I would think the balancing factor is building So much around them to create the delivery system like either between techless as the umbrella to protect them from damage And then buffing their speed Would be the balancing factor of saying let them doing ridiculous amounts of damage But they are a blade of wounds for a wizard Dressed up as samurai They are I was I wanted this to actually be the killing power Like a killing unit in the army and it's not and I Yeah I wanted more I they are worth the points of for the utility they provide as that bodyguard Absolutely like it is not it is not quite a bad unit um But yeah, I did not get what I wanted out of this unit sure Tom you like these guys right? I like the stock Yeah, sure like I just I I like them I do And like I wish that I could in good conscience run more of them Like the list that I that I'm leaning towards only has 10, but I'd love to run 30 of them I just I can't in good conscience like they don't do enough As martin is kind of saying to actually have to to fill all of those other roles right so But I think 10 are great, especially Either as a bodyguard to the twins Yep Or as a bodyguard to a lore like a lore paper Gentlemen, I added a slide since I shared this with you earlier. Would you like to see a tragedy in 2x? Sure A story of tragedy in 2x which I will call the pain of testing On the top of this slide which will come onto your screen in just a moment here Is the current profile of the venari blade lords and the slancor fiend bloods I use both of these because they're both instructive On the bottom of these two scroll on the on the bottom here I have the rules for the that unit as it existed when we got a preview of it in mayari's purifiers and the dread pageant And in both cases I think both this is the one place where lumeneth and slanesh Are completely combined We stand together that it probably would have just been a better unit Had it actually just been the thing that was there in the actual preview from The underworld's warband Meari's purifiers greatsword.  Yep instead two attacks views and twos Two attacks twos and twos neg one one damage, but He has sun metal right So Doesn't have the rend two of the perfect strike or the auto hit doesn't have the big sweepy thing But two attacks on twos and twos neg one with sun metal meaning they can get super choppy and get pushed to like a five up Right by somebody like the lord regent sure Same thing by the way with the fiend bloods If we if we had just got like that profile of four attacks on forest three's neg two two damage for this for the fiend bloods Instead of the joke in the scroll we got Everybody would have been happy. This is what I call a tragedy in two acts, right? We all got excited By this little spoiling of information We're gonna get these dudes are cool Like okay, that would be a I love these guys. I am in Like that martin that would have been your hammer unit you wanted. Yes, absolutely And instead we like got to the real scroll and and they lost their way Right, they were just like no, let's give him this bodyguard rule And we gotta have something to shrug off the magic and the magic flag Yeah banners and and we'll have them bodyguard people and it's uh Well, I uh Doug Doug could tell you that um You know even even in warmer fantasies sword masters were always the secret police and guardians of the mage So it makes sense that they have like a mage bodyguard rule. I just wish that wasn't the main attraction, right? Yeah, get rid of the spell thing Like I think the right answer for this unit is get rid of the spell thing move the bodyguarding to a four up So it's not as reliable, right? Yeah Uh and then turn there get rid of their dumb dual weapon profile and just give them standard sun metal greatswords And move their points up to like 140 or something like that Done yeah, there you go Now you've got a great elite fun Uh hammer sword master unit Yeah Yep Okay, but that's not what we got Okay That said I still like them like sure I oh they're in my list. It's just yeah. Yeah like um I think we're all just sad that they're not what we were hoping they were Sure You know what my big like my my two stage tragedy was I really want to talk about battalions, but sure go ahead That's fine Was knowing was like realizing what their role was in the bat on the battlefield Yep And then discovering that checklist didn't have the scenario you are Sure, sure. All right uh battalions So New battalions we can wrap these through these pretty quickly. We're almost through this folks Appreciate everybody hanging in there. Hey, thank you all for hanging in there. You know what I like all of you You know what you could like this show just hit the button. Okay. So at any rate, uh New battalions the there you go good man the huracan temple which consists of severeth Or the regular dude, uh the wind mage and one to three wind chargers Units in that move six inches in every combat phase regardless of enemies. That's not what it says It says they count as charging every round as long as they're near a hero, right? What it means is that in every combat phase yours and the enemies Every combat phase regardless of where there's enemies near I could have some wind chargers Just standing over here all by their lonesome nowhere near an enemy in the enemy turn They just move six inches Because when you charge you always are able to pile in and when they pile in they can always move six inches And they can pile in in any direction. So Every combat phase every unit of wind chargers and the wind mage Assuming they're near a hero and then the all the wind mages and severeth in the fox if he's near a hero Just get to go six inches Well, thank you john in any drug Yes in any direction This is the best battalion in the book. It is the best battalion in the book. It's 180 points worth it every time This is like the core of every list I've built out with this army when I was just playing with armies I'm not gonna play this army, but like if I was boy, oh boy, would this be my foundation every time? Uh Ridiculous I am officially trying to get rid of a boggert because this is ridiculous Okay Uh, your next one is the star shard battery, which is the caligrave mr. Penn pointy shoes Uh and three to five ballastee Uh, and they get plus one attack as long as they're kind of near each other is what has to happen And they get plus one attack and their warding lantern becomes a five up Okay, yeah Neat if you're if you're heavy in on ballista, it could be a cool strat. I mean, it's very fragile That's the problem with with ballista, right? It's like it's five wounds on a low save with a six up feel no pain or a five up feel no pain If it's done. Yeah, and blade lord host ipsum lauram blade lord host ipsum Hey, I like it Sure, like I started here. It's funny. I started with a blade lord host Uh, because I love having Uh, you know, like I can slap a hero in there and there's a lot of scenario or venari heroes that I want to take well, I uh I just want to ask something and this I think this is where the hidden value of blade lords comes in um because of the the Introduction of the lord regent. We have that fast that fast cavalry hero which can tank a little bit um And another thing like we no longer need to lower our drops as much as possible Unless we're like kind of taking techless So the question then becomes it's like you you have to have a higher level of scrutiny on the battalions in general Before you want to take them. They could just be more bodies now the question The main penalty is that you don't you know, obviously you don't have the choice of who takes top of one But that that leaves you vulnerable to your heroes getting shot And you no longer have to worry about that as much because most of your heroes will be guarded by a unit of blade lords, which is not only bodies even if it's only five bodies But it's also cheaper than every battalion in the book Sure, right Yeah, and it should say that like if you're taking a couple Of those heroes like they are making the blade lords battle lines You are filling out both like probably critical heroes you were already going to take and battle line with the blade lord host Thank you very much to john and isaac. You were correct. I that is something I misread and put in my notes Which is they don't it doesn't cause an extra plus one attack. It's a replacement text So it just replaces the other text on the thing that gives them plus one attacks. They're still at three. Thank you Thank you everyone. I apologize for the confusion and as well. I don't think it's a bad deal like honestly If you look at the numbers most of the time I wouldn't do the precise strike most of the time I would do the a you're doing sweeping blows. So suddenly you're on threes re-rolling ones. Yeah, right Again, you know if 50 attacks off of five or 10 model or you know, so many whatever many models Re-roll ones. I mean that'll begin to do some work like that's not a bad bonus to have Yeah, because Like especially if I'm getting a lot of attacks it would not be unreasonable to spend the command point and get re-roll ones Sure, and so that means that every time those units are fighting, you know, you can save those command points or something else I don't know. It's it's it's fine. If you're going in on like if you're gonna have a nari scenario heroes, which by the way you are Right like yeah, just like that. So like one of them can go in here, right? And you and if you were gonna have like if you if you like the idea of bladelords and are willing to have two units of them And you're gonna have another venari or scenario hero in your list Right then Like obviously not in this battalion, but that means that both of those bladelord units you take our battle line Yep Right.  Yep, and then you've gotten you filled out two or three battle line right there It's not bad. Yep with a cheap battalion It is a cheap battalion, which is nice. That is it like we cannot underestimate the value of a hundred point battalion like that is cheap, yo By by the standards of like most of these battalions Okay, yep Yeah, so they're fine I think a lot of the old battalions will still be used as well and we'll like the the traditional battalion will still be used as well You could get out a lot armies You could get out of Like this battalion with under 500 points Uh, yeah, that is true. Yes, that is true I mean that's That ain't bad No, the min cost for this is 440 points Right. Yeah, like there's not a lot of battalions in the game that you can get out that sheet. Sure Yeah, that's fair It is a very good point, Tom. It is a very good point Uh, and that could be 440 points again. That's filling out like Some actually valuable stuff Yep, okay Cool. Oh, jeez summary finally gentlemen. We come to it to the end of the show the summary of Uh, and the closing of the the lumineff 2021 Uh, here's my summary, but I I want I'll go first and I want you guys to wrap us up and then we'll call it tonight The new units spells and options make this a full army with multiple viable lists The new spell lure is has some nice options including a teleport which is great Because now with a teleport one of the things we didn't mention before but it's relevant that you can return units to shining company Right if they break out you can teleport them and reset them up in shining company I'm still not sure it's something I'm going to super do but it's a it's an option which is good Uh armies can now be built with extremely high mobility effectively the highest mobility in the game The army does lack some hammers, but it can do damage But it does have to rely on synergy and are multiple combined attacks The new terrain piece could be very impactful between the command points and the ability to control board space And there are a lot of potential FAQs. We are waiting for answers on It is a powerful army probably in the top six of the game It will have a lot of npe baked into it. It is an overcooked book It has too many rules that should have been cut out Uh, it is certainly not unbeatable, but I think it will be powerful Uh, that's my summary Martin what are your thoughts? Yeah. Yeah, so I just have a quite um for anyone who's going to get this far I still don't understand the the bin versus sin argument because that tells me you have either two options A trash bin or two sin and I don't understand how one is better than the other Rob found a rhyming scheme he liked and I I did discuss it at all I completely disagree with Rob's entire framing device He was talking about some good ideas But he used a terrible framing device for it because it came up in one of his shows and he really liked the Rhyme of it. It's a bad framing device Rob And if you want it, I'll come on the show and I'll give you and like it just should be talked about differently. Anyways, go ahead Yeah, yeah. Yeah. No, um, I I um, I said this online earlier this morning, um, how it's like we we The play style did not change. It is still relatively defensive reactive. You have ways to Change that a little bit, but it's mostly going to be playing around your opponent not really um, taking proactive action Plunt like aggressively with units that do lots of damage upfront um And in some ways I appreciate that. Um, there's just so many options Not only with how to build your army now, but with how to play every turn out All these different levers you can pull all these knobs you can turn Um, some of that is good. Some of that is way too much Yes, it is it is gloriously burnt uh If that could if that's put it just say lumineff gloriously burnt I'll put that on a t-shirt that to replace my mountain stand shirt. Uh, Yeah, yeah, it's uh, I I look forward to a time in the relatively near future When there are events again, um on in mass So we can really see how long people stick with the army Uh continue to either like see maybe do well or not do well I'm look I'm looking forward to to that. Yep Yeah Tom Yeah, I'm gonna reiterate what everyone else has said here. Um The only other things that I would add is that I think that this is going to be a notoriously difficult army to balance moving forward Sure because It is going to like it is a low body army High Like technical side Where a lot of things are resting on the abilities themselves of the book and of the war scrolls not on points And so what's gonna happen is is you're gonna get into a situation where all the mpe that this army generates can't be adjusted for by points, right? Um and and said what you're going to have is you're going to have a lot of Like people are going to want to adjust it with points and if you do that it'll become unplayable And so just because like it can't like there's some things that you just can't adjust for and you're just you'll get to a tipping point of having Not enough bodies to even be able to play the game and so I I am concerned about the long-term health of this army Either as a meta crushing monstrosity if if the points shift positively in its direction Or an unplayable mess if it shifts the other way and so In true blue fashion, it's really hard to balance Yeah, control has always been the hardest thing for magic to work out, right? Right Because it too is way too good. It's the best spell in the entire game Counter spell of four is trash that nobody uses in a deck, right? Like Yeah, right. And so where is that middle ground and three isn't actually the right answer It's like 2.5. Well, we can't get to 2.5. So then what do we have to do in order to make it like Too good not not too good but good enough um and so I I think that in the long run I have serious concerns about just the Literally the army of abilities that are sitting in the in the battle tome and on the wash rolls And I just don't know that there's an easy fix there um I'll say this. I love the army Um, I love the way that it plays Um, I love all the tools that it brings Like I said, I can file off numbers and do head swaps and stuff like that. That's fine Um, it actually now has it now feels like a whole army If you go and watch our other review one of my critiques and the reason why I didn't take the army was because I said it didn't feel done It felt incomplete. Um, and this is why it's because it was and now we have the whole book um at least this version of the whole book and I'm Uh, I'm overwhelmed by the options Sure I look forward to you getting your thousand points ready so we can take it to to holy havoc at the end of the year It's gonna be a great tournament and make everyone just hate us Well, last time I had slanesh so everybody hated me while you were playing fun night haunt this time I'll be playing a fun army. So there we go. It's true. All right. Well, thank you so much everybody for watching This was a long one. I hope this was helpful. I hope we got into it I hope we gave some insights and more than just, you know, reading the scrolls off the page or something We we try to really make sure we're breaking things down and give any insights We are going to have to see what happens how the faqs come out lots of undercover there martin Thank you, sir. So much for being here. You're welcome. 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Live from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE. Covering Edge 2016, brought to you by IBM. Now, here are your hosts, Dave Vellante and Stu Miniman. Welcome back to IBM Edge, this is theCUBE, the worldwide leader in live tech coverage. Callista Redmond is here, she's the director of OpenPower. Welcome to theCUBE, good to see you, thank you for coming on. Thanks for having me. So OpenPower, you know, when it started, there were a lot of skeptics and oh, okay, you know, it's sort of a Hail Mary by IBM, but healthy skeptics, but I think you've proved that this is a real deal. Thanks, thanks. So congratulations. So give us the update on OpenPower. Well, you know, we're about three years in and we've successfully gone from five members, the initial sort of renegade crew to 262 members. So we've had tremendous growth. I mean, these are folks who are really investing in the architecture, investing their time, resources and energy to make Power a very compelling platform in the market. Not just a viable one, but a compelling one. So that's a good point, right? You got to have viability, but viability in and of itself is kind of table stakes in this game. So what does it mean to OpenPower? That means basically everything, all the IP that IBM has developed put into the open source. So we are basically making it easy for everyone to have a starting point. Whether you're coming in at the chip level, the board level, the system level, the integration level through the software and being able to really optimize through every layer of that stack. And now we're even moving from software into industry specific instantiation. So we're getting into a lot of the traditional HPC space through personalized medicine, instrumented science, really seeing some compelling differentiation that you can achieve on Power. We're also moving very quickly into cloud and enterprise workloads. In many ways, it's a little bit of HPC for everyone. We've all got a lot of data to sift through and value to glean from that. So we had Tom Rosamillian earlier this morning and we were talking about the hyperscalers and he said, hey, we're an arms dealer. We as in, not IBM, but the systems division. I want to sell into those hyperscalers. It seems to us that the best chance of doing that is power and generally an open power specifically. So talk about hyperscale as an opportunity for you and what kind of traction you always see. Google was one of the five rogues. And so they're a hyperscaler, I think. So... They're pretty sizable, you know? What's the opportunity there and how are you guys doing? You know, I think it really speaks to the consumption model. I mean, the consumption model for systems generally has bridged beyond the traditional systems providers. It's not just a game for IBM or any of the other big systems houses to be in. But in some measures, those hyperscales are going directly to manufacturers in Taiwan. We want to be the arms dealer to that platform, right? So whether they are going directly to engaging with a manufacturer or whether they want to engage directly with IBM, we're here to help, you know, move that forward. The other consumption model shift that we've seen is obviously in cloud. I mean, you can't talk to anyone right now that does not have a cloud strategy, whether it's private hybrid, public cloud strategy, that is essential for open power. And we truly believe that we can be the arms dealer for those cloud providers as much as those hyperscalers. And, you know, so those two consumption models, whether it's direct in the manufacturer or through cloud resources, you know, on-prem, off-prem, what have you, we need to be able to serve that need. And to do that compelling, in a compelling fashion, you have to have workloads that really take advantage of that hardware. So Clista, how important is little Indian in that whole equation in terms of binary compatibility with all the applications that are out there? And what kind of catalyst has that been for your business? So I think the decision to go from big Indian to little Indian or byte ordering was as important as to the open power strategy as it was for us to take an open approach to the architecture, right? Because without the capability to migrate workloads quickly and easily, to port and recompile and get to parity with your x86 systems, and then to start adjusting the dials and start getting your magnitude improvements, without making that decision, the hill was too high to climb. Okay, so you're basically attacking this, I know, Stu, you want to jump in, with an ecosystem approach. What are your aspirations for the ecosystem in terms of its market penetration? I saw some data the other day, about 20% of the market that you're looking for by some certain point in time. Can you clarify that first? 20 by 2020 would be good. 20 by 2020, is that? Yeah, yeah, so we really feel that power is a compelling differentiator to kind of aggregate workloads on the platform. And for us to effectively do that, we have to put a stake in the ground and go for it. To do that, we need to continue building out that community. And that community is not just composed of the ISVs that are coming to the platform. It's also the in-house developers that are already tuning their own workloads to best perform in their data centers. And so for that, we're doing numerous POCs. We're adopting and embracing many open source databases. And that's a true statement that you'll see across the IBM portfolio. It's not power alone. Callista, so often open source equates to drama for those of us that watch the environment. Take back to the earliest days of Linux. Watch OpenStack for the last bunch of years as to who owns it. Even more recently, Docker is getting a lot of discussion as to, is Docker having too much control over it? IBM, of course, the founder of power and doing open power. How have you avoided stroke that balance between allowing the ecosystem to grow, making sure that IBM can still make revenue and allowing the ecosystem to flourish? By making power much more relevant and more compelling to the industry, to our stakeholders across the community, not just to the software providers who want to diversify the platforms they're on, but to the end user who wants freedom of choice and a long-term durable strategy. Just as much as each one of those has a cloud strategy, they also have an open strategy. I mean, open is very much mainstream now. It's not relegated to some corner cases in the data center. Having the ability to have the base building blocks across your portfolio of workloads, of software that you're deploying in your data centers is completely critical to your strategy. And it speaks to the price performance as well.  And containers are going to be a big part of that, right? Can you speak to kind of a global impact that open powers have? I guess especially want to understand how China sees this as an opportunity. China has done a lot with open source and know there's interest in open power there. So China is very interesting. I would say that they are the biggest highlight on sort of the domestic IT agenda. They are very keen to have a local IT economy. What country doesn't want that, right? They want to invent it, produce it and consume it in China for China. And you can start with a blank sheet of paper, or you can take an open approach to that. And by providing an open approach to that, by ensuring that we are with them every step of the way, we are providing them with the most durable strategy to go forward. And for that, you've got to have sort of the state level permissions and levels of support. And we've been able to sort of build that trust, build those relationships. And that translates to volume, right? That translates to volume. So China clearly wants to be self-sufficient, not only just for local markets, right? Potentially for global markets. It's got what, some number four, maybe of the top 10, top gun supercomputer results, maybe even more than that. It's got its own Linux operating system.  And why is IBM comfortable with that? Because it's part of your sort of ecosystem? It's part of the broader community, absolutely. I mean, we have use cases that are very alive in China that we've talked about through China Mobile, through Tencent of large-scale deployments that are comfortable on power and who are investing in power. So that gets you volume, drives costs down, brings adoption up. And brings additional workloads. It fosters that broader community. The community is the end user. It's the software providers. It's the hardware providers. Everyone is looking for that traction to get going in particular markets. And IBM is part of that value chain, obviously, with software and also hardware components, integration components. Where specifically does the IBM power group within the systems division play in that whole ecosystem? Where do you make your money? So where our business model is really at all steps of the chain, right? I mean, we can come in with systems. We have a great portfolio of power systems to offer to those clients. We have a great portfolio of services that we can offer. We have a wonderful stack on the software side that runs really well on power. And so across the value chain, as power becomes more compelling in the market, we can participate in many parts of that. And we also participate in some of the IP licensing aspects as well. Okay, and let's talk about OCP. You mentioned you were there this year. Open compute, yeah. What's the state of open compute? What's IBM's role? So you can imagine for yourself a nice Venn diagram. Open compute is very focused on a particular form factor. Open power is focused on a particular architecture. You overlap those where we can do an open power, open compute form factor together. With Rackspace, we've really sort of honed in on a great model with the barrel-eye system. And that is available in market today. That's an excellent example of cross-community collaboration. There's no reason that open power needs to come up with some brand new form factor when we can sort of leverage the inertia that open compute is already gleaned in that space. So Rackspace is a consumer of that platform. Is that right? They're a consumer. They're also a developer. And an inventor, if you will. Yeah, exactly, exactly. So they're playing multiple roles here. In fact, at our open power summit in April, we got to hear from Rackspace and Google together saying they're happy with what they're seeing on power eight. They're already developing for power nine.  Does that then tie in with OpenStack? Rackspace obviously has a very diverse offering now, but at their core they were one of the creators. Exactly, so we're not here to create new wheels where we don't need them. Leveraging the best in class across different pieces of where that system will play, from the firmware through to the board and the chip, these are things that are very important to us. When you talk to customers like Rackspace and others, what's their motivation? Is it workload specific, data intensive workload? Is it they're trying to cut down on power? What's the business case for them? So in the case of cloud providers, they want to get more VMs on a machine. They want to lower their cost dimensions. They also want to make sure that they've got the pricing right. So if we're able to lower those costs, which we've been able to effectively do with our cloud providers, then that presents a case for them to move to power. They would also prefer that the underlying architecture, their underlying infrastructure is transparent to some and others don't want to think about what's under the covers. They just want to drive the car. They don't want to look under the hood. So that becomes very important as well. We want to be able to present things that are easy to consume and making those as consumable as possible through opening up the APIs, opening up the level of integration and design as much as possible. So 20% by 2020, what are the kind of phases that you have gone through and have to go through to achieve that objective? So the chapters that we're on, we've gone from whiteboard in year one to here's the vision, here's a couple of PowerPoints on why this is strategic, not just for today, but going forward to year two, really felt more like a science fair where we had 15 pieces of hardware that hadn't existed before, lots of proof of concept things going on. To now we're in year three. This is about adoption. This is about deployment. This is about real use cases that are being deployed in data centers that matter. And that sort of starts to get the wheels turning across multiple parts of the industry. And then beyond that, it's roadmap. You mentioned Power 9. What can you tell us about Power 9? So Power 9 is great. We're going to be doing a couple of different versions of the chip, one for scale out, one for scale up. We're going to continue to have as many autobonds as possible attached to that chip. So we'll continue to have NVLink. We're going to have Cappy, PCIE4. These are the interconnects to the chip to really take advantage of that. Performance are very useful to our system designers and our integrators. And some of this is radical performance. You talk about Cappy, we're talking about major advancements in performance relative to what we've been used to. It's a huge step function. Isn't it, is my understanding correct? I mean, no one is going to switch architectures if you're only able to glean one or two percent improvement. You've got to get one or two magnitude improvement, right? You've got to multiply that. And then that transition hill is easier to climb. So at least 10x is kind of where this is headed, right? 10x for some. Maybe 100x. 5x for others, you know. We can hit the 100x on some workloads. But it is really important that we're able to get that magnitude improvement. Otherwise, it's just the hill is too high and the return is not big enough. And that one to two order of magnitude improvement is it might necessitate new thinking about how you write applications and so forth. But the justification is there. I think everyone is starting to reevaluate how they're writing applications. Because in our estimation, systems of the future are all going to include acceleration. So for that, you're going to need to offload particular parts of your work to those accelerators in order to get that parallel processing. And that's going to be essential in systems as we go forward. Well, when you think about how applications are written for decades, it's been, OK, there's going to be some spinning disk, which is super slow. And I'll be able to do other things while that happens. And even Flash hasn't dramatically changed that. Certainly, it's sped that up. But in terms of application design, you still have that horrible storage stack and that IO that takes place. You're attacking that in new ways. So you would think that that's going to allow developers to take the gloves off and really create new types of innovation. Are you seeing more than glimpses of that today? Or are you seeing even glimpses of that? Biggest glimpses of that are where we're seeing a leverage of open databases, the Connecticut examples, how much you can do in a very small amount of time, gleaning value from multiple sources at the same time. Not just one spinning disk, but many. So being able to capitalize on that is not only going to change how you can get performance out of your existing applications, but also where you can leverage and move industries forward. Is this where we come to the next Uber, the next transformation of a particular industry? Exciting times, Kalisto. Thanks very much for coming to theCUBE and sharing what's going on with open power. Really appreciate it. Thanks. Thanks for having me. You're welcome. Keep it right there, everybody. Stu and I will be back with our next guest. This is theCUBE from IBM Edge. We'll be right back. Oh, hey.


And a lot of my friends are just losing weight because they're not going out as much. Obviously people are drinking, well, some people are drinking more, but I think just going out less is helping and contributing to weight loss. Do you guys do a lot of D to C? Have you seen during COVID the grocery store section, you know, has obviously at least in America is the only thing open for a long time. And so a lot of the grocery stores are just running out of things. How have you guys coped? Well, COVID has been really, really tough for the bar, the bar category. So on the go just kind of has been decimated. So at that first, you know, March, April, we started kind of looking at the numbers and then we get, you know, weekly, in some cases daily, but we look at weekly sales and we're like, whoa, you know, like it kind of like the category is just down and massive numbers and essentially it's kind of like a tumble. And then we're like, OK, you know, come back for back to school. And nope, you know, with kind of whatever the second wave and whatnot, like on the go really took a nose dive. So we, you know, we're kind of fortunate that the had had the brand been a year younger than where we were. I think we would have been caught in this vortex where you're trying to launch your brand and you're just cut off at the knees, right? Like you you need awareness and trial and you need to be on the shelf. You need the discovery of your bars and consumers are literally going in the stores with their mask, with their mission, with their listens. Like I don't want to just I don't want to stand at the bar shelf and see what's new and pick bars. So we're fortunate enough that we were already in 14,000 doors and we had some discovery, the brand had enough momentum or the the strongest keto bar on the shelf or in most of the accounts that we got listed were the fastest new bar on the shelf. So we're we're very fortunate that, you know, we're kind of breaking through the clutter because a lot of new brands are going to you know, we're going to have a really hard time launching and kind of surviving through covid. So we're doing OK. Considering the bar category is really kind of gone down and we're a new brand. But the discovery is not as not there.  And that's and that allows the the bar category to do so well. And that's not happening. Initially, it's now different. But the first six months, people just ate bread, you know, drank wine and ate bread. So, you know, ice cream, wine and bread and bread makers, you know, we track on Google Trends, you know, bread and keto, right? And it just did look like it went like this. Like now it's kind of coming back.   So now I think a lot of people have been touched by someone getting sick and realizing that, you know, if you just kind of inhale like carbs and and don't take care of what you're eating and you're putting on, you know, five, 10, 15, 25 pounds is what we're hearing. And then, you know, there's still covid around. Like, first, you feel miserable and second, you know, the preexisting conditions are really, really damaging. So now there's a pretty big return to, OK, I'm not home, but I still have to, you know, work extra hard to eat clean. That's a great point. Yeah, they still have to take care of themselves and be very disciplined about that more so than before, because now they can't escape. You know, you're literally just and you have dogs, kids, all sorts of. That's a good insight. I remember I talked to Christie, who introduced us from Mother Raw and, you know, one of the things we talked about was my generation, in particular, we would never go into the freezer section. And I gave her the analogy or the story of like my brother-in-law.  They're early 20s and you go in there in their fridge and it's everything you'd expect. You go in the freezer and it's just ice, right? And so what I was telling Christie is what's what's been interesting and Google Trends alerted me of this is people have been googling like frozen milk, frozen goods, a lot more frozen bread. And so what ends up happening is it's almost like this this market, this 21 year old, 22 year old who never used the freezer. Is all of a sudden now, you know, looking at the freezer section way more and it creates an opportunity. And these are just fascinating things to learn, you know, from my perspective. I'm not in it.  Well, the behavior shift is is massive in so many instances. We bought a freezer right in our home. It's just like, OK, we need a small, like not a full size, not the full size coffin freezer, but the half freezer because we're like, who knows what's going to happen with our food supply? And then we're thrilled, right? Because the shopping trips are no longer pleasant. I love shopping and it's no longer a pleasant kind of experience to go in these gorgeous stores and to try stuff. All of the, you know, a lot of my meals were like I lived. I think I visited over 90 whole foods in the US in the first year because we we launched and we had national distribution at Whole Foods last February across the country. So I literally went to visit as many as I could.  Thank you. Thank you. Take pictures, give out a free box to the staff. So I went and I kind of hit the pavement on as many stores as I could. And I would eat out of the, you know, the meal, the the warm food bars. We're not eating out of the food bars anymore. Like they're all shut down and I don't know when that's going to reopen up. So the behaviors have really, really changed. So it's important to to adapt and to kind of make sure that we kind of keep keep on pace with the changing behaviors. It's so true. It's for me, there's a company where an investor in it's called Good Milk and they basically make a four ingredient almond milk. So it's just almonds, water, sea salt and dates, all natural, super clean. And because there's nothing in it, there's no shelf life. It only lasts about seven days and it always came in these freezer packets and then you just add water and that was it. And so we have like a tremendous amount of these and so I was talking to Brooke, the founder, and she was the one that said, you know, we've never been we've never done better because now everyone kind of to your point around the buying freezers and you have the option to store and it's mega healthy, which is great. I mean, I just love that the world is moving in that direction or at least is aware of that. Hey, everyone, thanks for checking out that clip. If you enjoyed it, be sure to hit the like button down below. And if you're interested in hearing the full episode, it's out right now on our YouTube channel. We've had a lot of great guests come on this show before and we've got a lot of great guests coming up in the future. So hit subscribe so that you don't miss a single episode. And one final note, we're always looking for new ideas and new companies feature on the show. So if you know of someone or know of a company, write us a comment down below letting us know who they are and what they do. We'd be happy to have them on the show. Till then, I'll just be here waiting for your comments. So see you later.


Dear students, in this module, we are going to talk about what is sociology. So we will discuss its about its definition and about its subject matter. So keeping in view sociology is formal definition. It's the scientific study of society and human behavior. It seeks to understand the patterns and dynamics of social interaction. It explores how social structures and institutions shape our lives and identities. So when we talk about sociology, we talk about the environment of our religion, we talk about the traditions of the people. And we see how people have a relationship with each other, what are the patterns of their interaction, and what are the traditions of their religions. So sociology talks about the environment of our religion and the society of our religion. So it also helps us to question and challenge the assumptions about the word around us. This means that we take many things for granted, we have no idea and in our society, the things that we are learning from childhood, we think that maybe this is the right thing. But a sociologist who observes things in detail, observes and sees how our traditions are scientifically understandable. So when we talk about sociology, we actually talk about an asset discipline in which we can't typically take things for granted, which is part of our education. Maybe some of them are wrong, many things are right, we don't know them properly, because we are looking at things from our point of view. Sociology is considered an objective study of society. By objectivity, we mean to say that we can separate ourselves from things, and look at the traditions of our religion, and understand them. So it provides us with the tools to analyze and interpret the social phenomena. The way different natural scientists study things empirically in laboratories or physical world, they don't let their personal biases and prejudices get involved in it, and draw conclusions from it based on objective observation. Similarly, the social scientists, particularly sociologists, try to understand the environment of their society, or the traditions, and objectively understand the traditions. So sociology can be used to address the social issues and promote social change. In a way, our goal is the betterment of society. So for betterment, we see that when we start doing something in our own way, try to understand the society, or try to understand the same things, then the solution that we have proposed should not sit properly in that context, it should be beneficial for a few people, and it should be beneficial for a lot of people. So in a way, it helps us to understand a broader picture, which can later on help us in policy making or policy formulation. And it is a broad and diverse field that covers a range of topics and approaches. It is not limited to the micro level, it doesn't study two individuals, but it studies on the macro level as well. For example, how is the relationship between two countries with each other? The larger groups or communities interact with each other in this way.  This means that not only does it help us to understand the environment, but larger societies and globally speaking, it also helps us to understand the interaction between many societies.


Hi everybody it's Sam here, I just wanted to do a video showing you how to put together the Christmas pudding. You could do the cupcake as well but I am just going to focus on the Christmas pudding and I just think it's nice to have the one video so you've got something quick to be able to go to. So if you haven't seen the Christmas pudding this is what it does, so you pull the top and then up pops in this case a snowman. You can also just use this shape on its own so I've just created this like snow mound and again you've got the snowman popping up there. You could also change the colour so I've done like a sound colour here and I've used the meerkat, very very cute. Here's the cupcake but I've taken the top off to make it look like a Christmas muffin and I've done the holly on the top there and this time you have bow bear pops out the top and then this one I've done this very nice glittery like it's meant to look like ice really, well give the illusion of ice because anyway the penguin pops up and is skating on the ice and then the last one here is the elf popping up there as well. Like I said we're going to do the snowman it's very quick to do but I just wanted to have it in a tutorial so that you've got something that you can look back on. This is the die set here so I've already gone ahead and die cut everything so I've got my main piece here and this is using the mechanism which is this one. Run that through your die machine and it will give you these two slots so there's one here and there's one just down here. You then want to die cut this piece in whatever color you want to do so because I'm doing the Christmas pudding I've got this brown color and then choose your topping so I've got the icing here and I've die cut that one there okay you've also got the cherry you've got the holly which will die cut the stamped image in the stamp set which is here just there or you can just die cut that in say green and then die cut again in red and just peep you know paper piece it together so that's everything there and then you also need your pulley which is this one you have die cut it twice in 300 years and cardstocks it's nice and strong just stuck those together okay so it's very easy to put together you just want to go in from the top slot and then come back out from the bottom one just like so okay now whatever you stick here will become the stopper so it will then you know stop it popping up but you want to make sure that you just run a thin amount of tape the thinner the tape the better because then more of your image is going to pop up or whatever you have there already people have been sharing they've been put photographs of like family members on there and it looks really really good I love that idea so you don't always have to use you know the stamps that we've given you to put with these so I'm just going to take the backing off there and then I have my lovely snowman here so there's also the elf which I've shown you and I've just colored these and those again are all from that stamp set here so we're going to use the snowman today so just lay him on the back here and you want to make sure that you have him on an angle like so so he fits inside okay and then if I just bring this down with that same angle just like so and then when I stick that over you can see he's hidden behind there okay and then I'm just going to grab some of my foam tape here I'm just going to cut a little bit just to pop on each side the phone will help because there's obviously a little bit of dimension I'm actually just going to half that again you don't need much you just want it to cover the sides obviously everybody's will vary depending on what you have inside this snowman is quite wide so you just want to make sure that it's not going to touch the sides so now I can just stick that down there and then he will pop up okay then we've got the top in I'm just going to use this piece of foam here I'm going to attach that on there actually before I do that I always forget I want to stop my sentiment so for this one here because of the way the snowman is I'm going to do the I love you snow much but you've also got merry Christmas pudding happy birthday cupcake you got chilling this Christmas maybe I'll do chilling this Christmas actually I haven't used that one an awful lot so let's do chilling this Christmas so now I can just pop that on the back then I'm just going to lay that down the top like so I then have my holly that I'd already cut out here so I'm just going to stick that down with a little bit of glue just that then I've got the pull which also comes in the stamp set just down there so I'm just going to ink that one up and just stamp that if you want to do that before you put it in you can do but it's easy to do now as well and then I have a six by six card blank just cut this from a piece of 12 by 12 in half and then fold it in half again I like to have these as top-folding but you can have them side-fold if you want and then on the back here I'm going to use my Kalau glue so it's going to add some strength just go all the way around here when you get near the mechanism just go a little bit lighter with the glue because you don't want it to spread out too much when you stick it down and then just hold it like so and then when you lay it down you'll get a nice white border around your card these are brilliant cards to batch make because you can just go ahead and die cut all of these pieces have them all stacked up ready to go and you can see there just how quick and easy it is to put together so whether you have your elf or your snowman you now just pull the tab and up pops that wonderful snowman so that's the finished card also I should mention the papers I had them sat there but I never spoke about them but these are the papers that you would see me use across all of these ones again you've got your snowman you've got your elf you've got a penguin you've got a bear you've got a meerkat you have another snowman and the snowman again there as well so you know that's just some of the ones that you can use I'm sure you'll have lots more things in your own stash that you can put with these cards they're lots of fun to make and yeah I can't wait to start giving these out to people so thanks for watching I'll link everything that I have used in the description box below and I'll be back very soon with another video bye