Thank you for joining me as I sit down with Pastor David and Marie Rosales from Calvary Chapel, Chino Valley. As we discuss marriage, raising children, and managing difficulties that arise in the family, we're ready to begin so let's talk marriage. You know in our marriages we have intimacy that includes mental, physical, emotional, and spiritual, but oftentimes the intimacy that's needed financially is overlooked. And here are some of the common complaints that I'm sure that we've all heard. My husband and I are never on the same page with money. Another quote is my wife wants to tie it but I don't think we can afford it. One quote says my husband keeps doing business deals that cost our family a lot of money. And then another quote says my wife keeps buying things for our kids even though we cannot afford that. What would be your guys' initial responses to any of those statements? You know I think that when somebody is having a problem with finances that's really a very serious problem because within the confines of marriage there are usually three basic areas that you have difficulty that can lead to divorce. Obviously one would be the quote-unquote communication, the ability to speak to one another and be understood. And then you have obviously the physical intimacy which causes a lot of problems for some in marriage and then the third problem that we hear quite often relates to the responsibility of management of funds, you know, of stewardship. And so that is a very severe problem in many marriages. A lot has to do obviously with the way you were raised and the way you came to see things that had specific value and I'll and for some people money is a pathway to happiness or to obtain that which I've always wanted. And so it really a lot has to do at least with Marie and me. It had a lot to do with personal responsibility prior to getting married. You know I and Marie both obviously we were not young when we got married by the standards of our friends. Marie and I were 24 and 22 when we met and we got married at 26 and 24. And so Marie already had completed her college, had received her degree, had moved out for a while. She was learning how to manage her money, pay her bills and things like that. I had spent time in the military. I had come out, I had part-time jobs and I was paying for my college because I was attending college at that time. So I was learning how to budget, how to put money away and be responsible with it. And so that was a path I already was on and Marie had already been on. And so when we married we combined our incomes, mine being almost nothing because I was going to school. Hers being what we lived on for a while off and on over the first few years of our marriage. And so we had to learn together what were the things that were most important for us as a couple. Again, every time you and I speak, every time we speak about marriage, I always speak of us.  And I spend what I make the way I want. It's always been a common purse. It's always been whatever I make, whatever you make, we'll put it in our common purse. It belongs to us. And together we will responsibly divide that. And the first thing we need to do with that, we decided was we need to make sure our bills are paid because we came from that background before my father was a Christian. My father still had had an integrity. So both of us came from the background where our fathers knew that paying our bills was very important. My dad taught me that it was an expression of my integrity. It was a revelation of who I am. It was what he used to say even before he was saved, he said, you need to take care of your name. Well, the scripture, the scripture speaks about having a good name, you know, and speaks often related to how we handle finances and things like that as it pertains to having a good name to be valued above gold or silver and things of that nature. And so we came into our relationship, both with this attitude that our bills need to be paid because it reflects on who we are as people, but it especially reflects on who we are as believers. Because the way that you use your money reveals where your heart is, you know, because your heart can be on the earth. It can be on material gain. Your treasures could be those things that you earn or purchase. And Marie and I made a decision that though it's important to eat and pay our bills and everything, we also need to make sure that God receives that which is his, seeing that all things come from his hand. And so it took us, I'd say, probably a couple of years of marriage until we honestly together came to the agreement that the Lord's offering, our tithe to him, our gift to him would be the priority. We speak of it as being our first check that's cut. Marie makes sure that the Lord receives that which is his first. And so that became fairly, you know, that became our way fairly early in our marriage. And I have made sure that we, and Marie obviously, her integrity is high in this area, we've made sure that we give to the Lord that which is his. And I think that that's part of our answer and part of the problem some people have is that they've never prioritized the kingdom of God. Because if they're thinking I could live better on 100 pennies than 90 pennies, they haven't learned the budget yet. And so I saw our giving to the Lord as being a part of our learning to live on less in terms of the amount that we had. Because I found out early on, Marie and I found out we can live just as well on 90 pennies as we can on 100 pennies. And I also felt that in holding back from the Lord anything that we in reality were robbing God. And that's something we both believe scripture says, but we believe that to be true. And so I think that when you have issues related to money, it's because you have issues related to priorities. And I think that sometimes not always, but sometimes the love of things on earth has eclipsed your faith that God can provide. And so we just made a decision. She and I fairly early in our marriage that we would make sure to honor God. And John, I can remember, I can say it like this. Sometimes people may be watching this and say, well, you're a pastor, you've got a mega church, you know, probably have a comfortable income and all of that. And people have a tendency of seeing what is right now and not knowing what was before. And what was before is not the comfort level that the Lord has provided over almost 40 years of pastor in this church. We had our first income. Again, if people want to go into an inflation calculator and begin to run the numbers, then and you can think that I received as an assistant pastor back in 1980. I received $969 a month. And I was paying that was pre-tax. Then there was the tax on that. Then there was the tithe and Marie and I have always practiced no less than a 10% tithe. And so you can begin to see that Marie and I were living on around $800 a month. And I had a $500 a month house payment. I had three children. And I also had a fourth, you know, two years into the ministry here. So we have four babies. And I wasn't making that much. When we planted this church, I was making $100 a week from the offerings of this church. And Marie was working as a substitute teacher. And she did that for a number of years. And even with Marie's income, which was around $900 a month or so that she was receiving, we still didn't have two nickels to rub together. But we also still made sure that our gifts went to the Lord because Marie and I actually do believe that the tithe belongs to the Lord. The gifts belong to him first and foremost. So that's how it's been for us, John. And so not everybody has done that. Not everybody has said, I really don't need this extra pair of shoes because I need to give the Lord back from what he's given to me. Not everybody thinks that way. And that's part of the problem. Because with Marie and me, we said, God comes first.  We did. We did. I remember crying, thinking, I don't know how we're going to pay the bills. And yet God provided.  I remember one day with Marie, you know, because again, John, we had a house payment in small children.  But she was a baby then she was maybe two years old and or so two or three years old. I forget how old I wish I could give you the exact number. I'm probably making her younger than she was. She may have been five or six. I don't remember exactly probably five or six. I'd like to be accurate when I give stories. Forgive me. But I do remember this. I do remember going through some pictures, you know, long after we had taken this particular picture. She was already a young woman. And so I was looking at these pictures.   Everybody who knows me knows that. I have a great love for my babies and I have memories of them. And as I was looking at this particular picture, looking at a little smile, I had never noticed her shoes and her shoes, her little feet were crossed in front of her and so I could see her soles and there was a hole in her shoe. And see how I get now. I saw that and it brought me back to when I couldn't afford a pair of shoes for my daughter. And she never knew that it hurt me, but we never, we never stole from God. We just didn't. We learned to live on what we had. And I forgot that my children paid a price too in some ways. You could ask them, John. They, to them, a big deal was to go to McDonald's and get a hamburger. The idea of going to Disneyland, we didn't have money to take our children on expensive things like that. We had enough money to take them to a very inexpensive hotel and get a roll away bad and bring it in. And for a long time Anna, our smallest, would sleep inside of the chest of drawers that you have. We would put a little blanket in there and our baby would sleep in there because we could not afford a room big enough for our children. We lived in a home with two bedrooms and four kids. And we didn't even know that we were living in a way that other people didn't live. We just learned very early that if you keep the Lord first and you and you invest in his kingdom, he'll take care of you and he teaches you lessons. And Marie will tell you, I'm speaking for her right now. I know what you're thinking. Those were good days. Those were good days because we didn't have a whole lot. And I remember buying a five-dollar couch for my friend's mother or something. Ten dollars. Was it ten dollars? Okay, sorry. I'm sorry. But it was more expensive than that. But we had what we needed, John. We had what we needed. I didn't consider as poor ever. We didn't have much, but we had each other and our children. And I think I'm thankful for those days. I am. I'm thankful. I'm thankful with what God gave us and during that time. And it just taught me a lot of lessons of thankfulness. And there are so many people that have nothing. And we had more than that. That's right. We felt rich. We felt rich. We may have not looked it. Well, in real life, in real life, we were at the poverty level. I mean, I was making $180 a week, not even that. And of course, you can figure in inflation now and all of that. But even so, you will never be poor when you have Jesus. I have learned to be in much. And I've learned to have very little, like Paul said. But I've also learned to be content. So we discovered that, John. God comes first. And we also discovered that he provides. We were sitting at the table and in my home in Ontario. And Marie was crying. We didn't have the money to pay the bills. And she was at the table. You'll remember, baby. She was sitting at the table and she had tears in her eyes when I walked in. And I walked up to her and I said, what's wrong? I don't know what we're going to do. We don't have the money to pay our bills. For us, our name means a lot, a lot. And paying your bills is reflective on my character and my integrity, my name. And I said to her, honey, I said, all I can tell you is this, I'm looking for work. I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. I'm not just sitting around waiting for a job to jump on my lap. I'm knocking on doors. I'm leaving applications. My God shall supply. My God shall supply. She just kind of shrugs her shoulders, you know, and like, what else can we do? And this is God's truth. As I was speaking, I saw the mailman come up and I went and got the mail. Well, we're going to get some bills. Might as well get them right. We opened it up. And one of the letters, it just said, David and Marie, I opened it up and there was a check in there for $200, $200, which we did not have the money to pay our bills. I still remember opening it, looking in and it was a cashier's check. They didn't want us to know who gave it to us. I still remember looking at it and I put it in front of Marie like this and I said, my God shall supply. And that really made a difference in me. Yeah. Yeah. But that's why I said God has always provided for us because it was something like that. I mean, that came just at the right time. At that moment, we were talking about it. And we were talking about it at first. I was shaken, very shaken, but I learned to rely on the Lord and he's always been faithful. He's always been faithful. And the next week, somebody, I had an engine we were trying to repair and it had fallen off the stand and it had broken the portion of the engine that we couldn't, you couldn't weld it. It was aluminum. And so it was useless. But it had a lot of extras on it. It was a racing engine that was given to me by a friend of mine. So it had a high rise manifold. It had a four barrel carburetor that was used for racing and it had pistons and a camshaft and things that were high level and very expensive things. And a guy came and gave me $50 for an engine that did me no good. Now, if he'd have gone out and bought all of those parts individually, he would have spent quite a bit of money. But seeing that it was of no use to me anymore and seeing I wanted to be generous to the person who was purchasing it, we sold it to him for $50. And I came in with $50 and I gave it to my wife because I've always given my money to Marie. I work for her, not as her being my boss, but as when I work for this is for you. So you can eat, you can do what you need. And so I always have handed my check to her because it's us. It's not just me. And I said, baby, look at what the Lord gave to us $50. So in one week, we received $250 with the cashier's check and that $50. And again, we were able to say, my God shall supply. What a faith builder. My God shall supply. He has always supplied. He has never failed. Never. My God shall never fail. What would you guys say to maybe those who are listening right now or watching who are going through that moment of struggle and they feel that I can't tithe, which is a big mistake. But yet they're in such a dire need that maybe they have young babies or they just find them soft in that place that you guys have experienced. I think it's great you're sharing this because maybe a lot of times they don't understand that you guys have gone through very, very similar experiences. What would you say to them, pastor? I try to be careful because I don't want people to ever misinterpret what my words are intended to communicate because I do not believe that anybody should be forced to be a grudging giver or test God and see that is just presumption and that's not faith. So I can only speak from myself and from my belief in my, my wife's and I can speak for us. This is something we are familiar with together. We just made a decision. It was a faith decision. It wasn't like let's see, let's prove now. It was a faith decision. God's word says that we are to give. Then we should give. It's the only place in the Bible that God ever says test me and see. It's the only place. There's one place where he says you're not to test the Lord, of course, but this is where he says test me and see if I will not open up the windows of heaven. You know, it's that one area and so I'm not testing him. I certainly wouldn't be presumptuous to do that. So for us, it's been a matter of no, God's word says this and he has promised and we really think this way and people think I'm manipulating them. There's always somebody out there thinking that that's just the way it is. Well, he just wants money. No, I don't. I can say that for Marie and me, my God shall supply is real. It's real. And so we just made a decision that because I know this is something he says, something that is actually tangible, actually a visible action of faith. I just chose to believe God. Listen, if I really believe that he raised the dead, then why wouldn't he be able to take care of the living? Why wouldn't he? You know, and so why don't we trust him? And so I can't tell somebody, and I'm not, you know, you need to give. No, we're not in a bind financially here at the church. No, you know, my children are all out of the house and and no, I'm not worried about finances. No, I'm not. God has supplied even in the midst of the coronavirus, even in the midst when nobody was here in the church, John, you know this, even, even, even there's not anybody out there other than staff members that I, as a senior pastor, provide income for, right? You know, God provided. God provided. He has always been faithful, always. I believe that with pretty much all of my heart. You know, he hasn't put me in a place where I have to kind of recalibrate and say, oh, you're going to now take care of me. But he did that when the coronavirus hit. He did that back in March when I, when I came in, I was sitting watching the news, and, and our benevolent governor was shutting down all the churches. And I said, you know, because we can't receive an offering. I've got, at that time, I think we had 50 employees. I've got a, I've got a massive building that we pay on still, and I've got 13 acres of land property that needs to be maintained. And, and I told my son, Joseph, I said, I didn't know. I told him this. I said, I knew that I was going to one day be removed from ministry. I know that you prepare yourself for the day when someone steps in. I said, I'm, I'm prepared for the day when the Lord takes me out. I'm prepared for it. But I didn't know it was going to be like this. And I cried. I cried. I said, I can't pay my bills. John, if you know me, and you'll get to know me better over time, you'll know that I don't like to have a bill, even when you have bought me something. And I said, what do you owe me? What do I owe you? I try to get away with it. You would let me, I don't like that. I don't like that. If I owe a man, I'm going to pay the man. That's me. And, and, and that's even with friends like yourself, where I know you'd be generous and, and give it, I know you would. No, if I owe you, I'm going to pay you. That's the way it is. So I take responsibility for the lives of every one of my employees who rely on me being able to make sure that they're cared for. Now, those who don't do ministry won't understand what I'm saying right now. I know where their minds are going. It's a business mind. It's not a faith mind. But see, I don't sell a product here. I don't have some kind of reservoirs of resources where, well, yeah, we ran out of these tennis shoes, but we still have several crates of them. We'll be able, if we strategize, no, this is a week by week ministry. We rely every week, like Jesus taught us. He said, you know, that God will provide for you day by day. Well, you know, He does. He provides for us. It's a week by week for us. So every week we need to receive X amount in order that I can pay all the outstanding bills on this property. And suddenly it's dried up instantaneously. It was gone. It's nothing. There's no guarantee that people who, who call this church their home, there's no guarantee they're going to stay here. A lot of them left. I have seen thousands over the years who at one time have walked up and said, oh, I love my church pastor. I love you only to see them on a Facebook page talking about their new church. I got a letter from a guy who said to me, pastor, I just want you to know how special and important you are. This happened not that long ago, John. How special and important you are. I've been with you for so many years and you fed me and I just love you. And then three weeks, two weeks later, I look at the Facebook page and he's talking about his new pastor and his new church. I've heard that so many times over the years. I cannot rely on man. I rely on God. I rely on God.  That's what I'm supposed to do. And you remember, you know, we would come here on the church grounds when there's nobody here. It's just us and a few of the staff who decided to show up that day and I think part of the reason they did is they knew I was here. And so, but remember what would happen, John, when people would pull up to bring their gift to the Lord and see us and wave at us and visit us, or we'd pray with them and minister to them. Remember that? We didn't put that in the newspaper and advertise. Look at what we're doing. We didn't say, what a great pastor and what a great church we are. We just did what we do because that's what Christians do. That's what Christians do, right? And God provided, I remember, I remember when my administrator, Dave, came and spoke to me and said, and I said, so what are the damages? You know, because I was crying and the Lord had said to me just the day before, as I was driving to the office and things were drying up, and I said to Jesus, I said, what am I going to do? And he said, I didn't raise you up to let you fall, which is something he had said to me 30 some years ago. Same thing, same voice, same word. I did not raise you up to let you fall. And I remember coming into the office and I said to my administrator, I said to Dave, what are the damages? Because I have to make some decisions about this church and staff and I was going to stop receiving salary. We were going to do all of that to take care of people. What can I do? And he said, the Lord is provided. The Lord is providing. And our offerings were there and have been there. And for several weeks when nobody was showing up, their checks were and their love was, God is good, John. God takes care of us. And there are things that we don't need that he lets us remember. And there are things that we do need to have a pair of shoes and to have a meal, all of those things. Those are needful for us, but I don't need 50 pair of shoes. And I don't need to eat at Fleming's every night, right? Maybe Sonor Town. Sonor Town once every two weeks is probably a good thing. May I ask you guys a question in regards to your practical tithing? You know, you mentioned something interesting, Pastor, when you're talking about when you guys tithe and maybe it will bring some clarity to some of the people. And I don't know if this would be a personal preference or it's a guideline throughout Christian believers regarding tithing. When a Christian is to tithe, are they to tithe before any check is cut for anything else before any other bill is paid? Is it like the first grain offering to the Lord? Or does that, is that significant? I think that when you begin to ask yourself, how much can I give? It's also a way of saying how much can I keep?  Because you have, we'll say, we'll say you get $100 just for the number. But after taxes, you're getting 86. So you tithe on the 86. Oh, I see. See, some people do that. And then some say, no, I made 100 even if it was taken up by the government and so others may give their gift on the 100. I think that's a matter of personal preference. I know there are arguments and other theological statements that are related to that. Now you give your first verse, first verse would be the 100, not the 86, because Caesar's getting 14. I know those arguments and all of that. So that's why I lean more towards Paul says, a man should give as he purposes in his heart. And so that has kept me from being legalistic, from kind of bartering with God. Because oftentimes what you're doing is you're arguing with them to see how much more you can keep for yourself. Right. That's what it comes down to in a sense it is. And again, that's no condemnation to anybody who's living from hand to mouth. I certainly would never, I would certainly never say to that person, you need to give to God because you've got no faith in all of that. No, because it's interesting how a lot of pastors live off the faith of other people. You know, now you need to end and they themselves aren't generous. So no, I, I'm not one of those. And I think that's very wrong. I believe that the Lord says to give it as you purpose in your heart. And, and it's not of your, because some people say, well, I tithe off my time. No, no, the time already belongs to God.  I serve in the children's and no, no, no, you're supposed to serve the Lord anyway. You know, no, this is something of your substance. And so you need to make a decision based on what you with the cheerful heart and to the extent of your faith, what can you give? And you give out of a cheerful heart and with an attitude of faith, but you never give your responsibly presuming upon the Lord because I've seen plenty of TV preachers telling you to do that. These are the guys who are buying themselves very expensive airplanes or living in multi, multi-million dollar mansions telling you to live off of faith when they've been concealing from you. And that that makes God angry. And it makes me sick because it's wrong. So as a man determines, as a man purposes, as Lord has blessed, you know, you can look at 2nd Corinthians eight and nine, I think that chapters eight and nine are are related to the church and the church's practice of giving. I believe that each person should give though, not just of the talents and not just of the time. Those are things that you should be doing anyway. But I can't pay the electric electric bill on somebody's talent or time. I have to, I have to pay that bill with cash because the electric company doesn't take, you know, volunteerism as a talent check, right? Exactly. Thanks again for tuning in. Let's Talk Marriage is a ministry of Calvary Chapel Chino Valley. If you've enjoyed this video, then please like and share it. We will see you again next week on another episode of Let's Talk Marriage.


But why is free speech so important as a principle? Because if that's not your principle, then inherently you're saying that there should be someone else who decides what you can and cannot say. And there's nothing to me that's scarier than that. I mean, and I'm somebody who, it's like I've never been the target of hateful speech.   With the exception of Anthony Weiner, probably not, right? Right, probably not. And, but to me, it's like when people say, okay, what about this speech and what about this speech? And then my question to those people always is, okay, well, then who would you like to see making that decision? It drove me nuts throughout the entire Trump presidency. How many people would call for hate speech laws but then also say that Trump is literally Hitler? So how can you have those two views at the same time? So you want the government to be controlling speech, the same government that you yourself just said you think the figurehead or the head of the executive branch is literally Hitler. And you don't see how those two don't make sense together. If anything, the people who really hated Trump and thought he was Hitler should have came out of that presidency more for free speech, but that's just not how it worked out.  The comedian who, I actually, I'm a big fan of. I think she's very funny. I think my life on the D list was great. But she, as I think the audience will remember, she got in big trouble, including bounce off of Twitter but then put on a no fly list and was being harassed by the TSA and by the government for having done a kind of stupid stunt where she had a kind of mannequin head of Trump, a severed head, et cetera. You defended her speech. And that must have been hard in a Fox context, right? I did. I wrote a column about it for national review at the time. And because at the time there was people, I mean, it was a pretty calm intake on conservative Twitter that she should be, you know, prosecuted for this. And like you said, we're talking about, nobody really thought, no sane person really thought that the star of my life on the D list, as you mentioned, was actually planning to assassinate the president. So I think that you could say you thought it was gross, you could say you didn't like it, but saying that it's not protected speech is that's a super dangerous take in my opinion, especially because we are talking about Kathy Griffin.  Something along those lines, I quoted it directly in my book, but we can't really be shocked that she did something like this. And again, conservatives, a lot of them who consider themselves free speech said, okay, but this should be prosecuted. It's like, well, no, because the First Amendment, the main purpose of it is to criticize people in power without government retaliation as a check on the government. So I don't care how you feel about it, you have to stand against it to make sure that that's never used against you in the future. So one of the other things you talked about, because I think most of the people in this audience probably are like, okay, yeah, speech shouldn't be banned, but then maybe certain types of speech should be disapproved of in such a way. It's almost the same as banning it. Or one of the examples that you talk about in your book is blackface in old TV, actually not even old TV shows. We're not talking about Amos and Andy, but we're relatively recent sketch comedy where when these shows go up on places like Hulu or Netflix or whatever, they've pulled the episodes that deal in blackface, even though without exception, it's a critique of the world that gave us blackface. But talk a little bit about why, I'm blanking on the exact title of the chapter right now, but it's something like nothing should ever disappear. Yeah, don't erase anything, right? Including blackface. Yeah, in the summer of 2020, they called it, I think the New Yorker wrote a piece called, saying how many different streaming services pulled episodes of things, or different series. I mean, it's always sunny in Philadelphia, 30 Rock, How I Met Your Mother. There was so many different episodes. Who knew, who knew, yeah. The interesting thing about How I Met Your Mother was, there was somebody who is more on the left, her name, I don't remember it's in the book, who was saying, we shouldn't erase anything because then we can't talk about it, we can't have that conversation. And I agree with that, but the example that she gave was the Yellow Face episode of How I Met Your Mother, where they sort of dressed up as kung fu masters, and there was this debate at the time of, is this Yellow Face, is this just silliness? But she actually got the character wrong, that was actually dressed like that, because it's a lot harder to have those conversations when it doesn't exist anymore. And the past, it happened, whether you acknowledge it or not, and there's no purpose for wanting to erase things, except for wanting to delude. It's kind of the same thing as, if you don't like how your life is going, you want to go out and get fucked up and forget all about it, that doesn't mean that your life's any better, it means you're just ignoring it, and it's always better to have more information rather than less.  Yeah, yeah, true. Which I want to point out in the book, she says that she has never done blackface. No. So you should be standing all of her social media. Well, I mean, we live in a time where, within recent memory, there was this great moment where the governor of Virginia, Ralph Northam, or the ex-governor of Virginia, was shown to, he was either in blackface or in a KKK, in his medical school yearbook. Yes, we still don't know. Yeah, I've never done blackface. There is, I write about this in my book too. I mentioned this book. I was a black Labrador retriever for Halloween when I was a child, because my cousin had a lab retriever. There is an uncomfortable photo of me with like when I took the ears off. But my brother was like, I'm gonna cancel. I'm like, I'm like six years old, maybe, you know? You don't even know what that is. But I was Pocahontas for Halloween when I was like seven. Whoa. I know. What about, you also talk about Roseanne Barr, who, now this, I mean, it's interesting because this, again, is in legal prohibitions. But then there's questions about, okay, how does society organize what is acceptable and what is not. Roseanne Barr who mounted, you know, hands down the most successful reboot and comeback in recent TV history where, you know, the new Roseanne show was a massive off the charts hit that hadn't been seen in decades really.  And that's it. What's your take on that broader kind of moment? I mean, it was a tweet which she later said I was, you know, on Ambien and a couple of other things, which I don't know, I take Ambien almost every night and my Twitter feed never rises to that level. That's never happened to me. So what should happen in that case is that not simply, you know, the Vox public, I don't know, the public voice, the voice of the people saying, you know, what we don't want that kind of person in our life anymore. You don't have to have any kind of person in your life that you don't want to have in your life. I think that Roseanne, what she's a very interesting example of is just how much, you know, Twitter is pretty much never worth it. You know, it's like, not only do you not get paid, but you also can maybe get fired. But it's the, it's the dopamine. It's the most dangerous drug in the world. It's the dopamine hit.   I was gonna say that for me, it was really alcohol and cocaine, but yeah, dopamine's in the top five, you know? You're better off not drinking. I love that. But also alcohol, part of that is because of dopamine, right? That's part of why people seek out alcohol. She had everything going for her, but she still couldn't resist this one thing. I also think that what's the point, and Sarah Silverman said something about this once, what's the point of being a progressive if you can't allow for progress? She actually was speaking in the context of a friend of hers who used to be a literal Nazi, not the way people say literal Nazi now, but like an actual Nazi, who now realizes how disgusting that is and says I was looking for that. If you can't progress and if you can't learn from mistakes and you're just canceled forever, then what are any of us even doing here? What are any of us doing anywhere in trying to educate people or in trying to express our beliefs or say this is why I think this is wrong and this is how I feel, it doesn't matter anyway. We're gonna talk about the roots of your libertarianness in a bit, but I mean, you're very libertarian, but then I'm also thinking you treat this in the book, God is about a decade ago, whenever Fukushima was Gilbert Gottfried, a very funny comedian who I think is dead now, right? He is not just figuratively dead, he's literally dead, but after the Fukushima nuclear power plant explosion, he was the voice of the Aflac duck, which was kind of a great gig, right? Nobody wants to lose that. And he made a bunch of jokes that were completely in keeping with his public career and persona about Fukushima, and he got bounced from Aflac. You would say definitely that's within Aflac's rights to say we wanna distance ourselves, but do you think that's a good decision? No, because especially for a professional comedian when it couldn't be more clear what your job is.   I mean, that's like, if you're firing somebody, that's probably what you would be thinking, but nobody actually thinks that, you know?  It is the job of comedians to make jokes about things that are dark and we shouldn't be canceling them for doing that. I think that intention is what should matter. There's this really dumb idea out there now and people actually say this.  Of course intention matters.   We all know that and it's dumb to pretend that we don't. Is there a moment where like intention just kind of flew out the window and was there a time when people were like, okay, we're gonna look at, at somebody says something that is considered awful or beyond the pale, but we're gonna look at it holistically or with intention. I mean, clearly we don't tend to do that now. Or what do you think has contributed to the idea? People on the right and the left are just like ready to pounce whenever. Why is that? I think that it's tribalism and I think that it's fear. I think that people are afraid of being canceled for sure. I think that it's also easy to pile on on Twitter, for example, if someone's getting canceled, you don't have to actually face that person when they get fired. You don't have to get up off the toilet.  And like, and then you're like, I'm one of the good ones, you know. And if you have a side, there's certain sacred cows on your side that you need to show that you see as sacred or else you might be jeopardizing your place on that side.  And also because studies show that on at least Twitter and Facebook, they're historically moral, emotional words and grandstanding, they get more engagement than other posts, which think about how different that is from real life, right? If you had a friend who would only talk like that, you wouldn't wanna hang out with them anymore. But on social media, it's actually rewarded.


From around the globe, it's theCUBE, presenting, Cube on Cloud, brought to you by SiliconANGLE. Hi, everybody, this is Dave Vellante. We're back at Cube on Cloud. And with me is Moodoo Sudhakar.  Welcome, my friend. Good to see you. Good to see you, Dave. Pleasure to be with you. Happy elections, I guess. Yeah. Yeah, so I wanted to start, you know, this work from Home Pivot's been amazing. And you've seen the enterprise collaboration explode. I wrote a piece a couple of months ago looking at valuations of various companies, right around the Snowflake IPO, I want to ask you about that. But I was looking at the valuations of these various companies, Spotify and Shopify. And of course, Zoom was there. And I was looking at just simple revenue multiples and I said, geez, Zoom actually might look undervalued, which was crazy, right? And of course, the stock went up after that. And you see teams, Microsoft teams, Microsoft doing a great job across the board. We've written about that. You're seeing WebEx is exploding. I mean, what do you make of this whole enterprise collaboration play? No, I think look, there is a trend here, right? So I think this probably trend started before COVID, but COVID is going to probably accelerate this whole digital transformation, right? People are going to work remotely a lot more. People are not everybody's going to come back to the offices even after COVID. So I think this whole collaboration through Slack and Zoom and Microsoft Teams and WebEx, it's going to be the new game now, right? Both the video, audio and chat solutions. That's really going to the how people are eyeballs. You're not going to spend time on all four of them, right? It's like every day on my consumer side, you're going to spend time on your Gmail, Facebook, maybe Twitter, maybe Instagram, so like in the consumer side and your personal life, you have something on the enterprise, the eyeballs are going to be in these platforms. Well, the winner is going to take everything. Well, so you're right, there's a permanence to this and I got a lot of ground to cover with you. And I always like our conversations, Moodle, because you tell it like it is. So I'm going to stay on that work from home pivot. You've got, you know a lot about security, but you've seen three big trends, like mega trends in security. End point, identity access management and cloud security. You see in this in the stock prices of companies like CrowdStrike, Zscaler, Octa, SailPoint, I mean they exploded, you know, as a result of the pandemic. And I think I'm inferring from your comments that you see that as permanent, but that's a real challenge from a security standpoint. What's the impact of cloud there? Look, first is all these services required to be cloud, right? See the whole idea is for you to collaborate and do these things. So you cannot be running an application, like you can't be running Confluence and SharePoint on-prem and try to collaborate on a Zoom and MS Teams. So that's why if you look at Microsoft was very clever, they went with Office 365, SharePoint 365, now they have MS Teams. So I think the cloud is going to drive all this workload that you have been talking about a lot, right? You and John have been saying this for years now. The adoption of cloud and SaaS services aren't the vehicle to drive this next generation collaboration. Yeah, well, so cloud obviously is the topic. I wonder how you look at the last 10 years of cloud and maybe we could project forward.  So we're really approaching $100 billion for these three. And you hear stats like only 20% of the workloads are in the public cloud. So it feels like we're just getting started. How do you look at the impact of cloud on the market? As you say, the last 10 years and what do you expect going forward? No, I think they're very fascinating, right? So I remember when the cube, you guys were starting over 10 years back. Now it's been what, more than 10 years, 15 years since AWS came out with their first S3 service back in 2006, right? So I think look, cloud is going to accelerate even more further. The areas is going to accelerate is for different reasons. I think now you're seeing the initial days, it's all about startups, initial workloads, dev tests and QA tests. Now you're talking about real production workloads are moving towards cloud, right? Initially it was backup. You didn't really care for backup that you put there. Now you're going to have cloud have your primary services. Your primary storage will be there. It's not going to be an EMC. It's not going to be a NetApp storage, right? So workloads are going to shift from the business applications. And this business will be running on the cloud. I'll make you understand the prediction. Take customer service and support. Customer service support, again, we should be running on the cloud. You don't want to run that thing on a Dell server or an IBM server or an HP server with your own hosted environment. That model is not because there's no economics of scale. So to your point, what will drive cloud for the next 10 years will be economics of scale. Where can you take the cost? How can I save money? Like if you don't move to the cloud, you won't save money. So all those workloads that are going to go to the cloud are people who really want to save. Like cloud will drive your cost, right? If you stay on the ASP model, a hosted, you're not going to save your cost. Your cost will constantly go up from a SaaS perspective. So that doesn't bode well for all the on-prem guys. And you hear a lot of the vendors that don't own a cloud. They'll talk about repatriation, but the numbers don't support that. So what do those guys do? I mean, they're talking multi-cloud. Of course, they're talking hybrid. That's IBM's big play. How do you see it? I think, look, see, to me, multi-cloud makes sense, right? You don't want one vendor there. You never want to there. Having Amazon, Microsoft, Google, it gives them a multi-cloud. Even hybrid cloud does make sense, right? There'll be some workloads. It's like we are still running on-prem environment. We still have mainframe. So it's never going to be 100%. But I would say the majority, your question is, can we get to 60, 70, 80% workloads in the next 10 years? I think you will, I think by 2025, more than 78% of the cloud, my position by the next five years, 70% of the workload for enterprise will be on the cloud. The remaining 25 may be hybrid, may be on-prem, but at that point, it really doesn't matter. Your 75% of your business is running on the cloud. That's your cost saving. That's where you'll see the economics of scale and that's where all the growth will happen. So square the circle for me, because again, you hear the stat on the IDC stat. IBM, Ginni, Rametti puts it out there a lot that only 20% of the workloads are in the public cloud. Everything else is on-prem. But it's not a zero sum game, right? I mean, the cloud native stuff is growing like crazy. The on-prem stuff is flat to down. So what's going to happen when you, when you talk about 70% of the workloads of being the cloud, do you see those mission critical apps moving into the cloud? I mean, insurance companies going to put their claims apps in the cloud or the financial services companies going to put their mission critical workloads in the cloud or are they just going to develop new stuff that's cloud native that is sort of interacts with the on-prem? How do you see that playing out? Yeah, no, I think, absolutely. I think very good questions. So two things will happen. One thing, like if you take an enterprise, right? Most businesses, what they'll do is the workloads that they should not be running on-prem, they'll move it out. So obviously things like take, as I said, I use the word of SharePoint, right? SharePoint and Confluence, all the knowledge stuff is still running on people's data center. There's no reason. I understand, I've seen statistics that 70, 80% of the on-prem for SharePoint will move to SharePoint on the cloud. So Microsoft is going to make tons of money on that, right? Same thing, databases, right? Whether it's SQL server, whether there's Oracle database, things that you are running as a database, as a cloud will move to the cloud, whether that is posted in Oracle cloud, are you running Oracle or MongoDB or DynamoDB on AWS or SQL server on Microsoft, that's going to happen. Then what you're talking about is really the app concept, the application themselves, the app server. Is the app server is going to run on-prem and how much is going to leverage outside? There may be a hybrid cloud, like for example Kafka. I may use a bus running on Kafka as a service or I may be using Elasticsearch for my indexing on AWS or Google cloud, but I may be running my app locally. So there'd be some hybrid place, but what I would say is for every application, 75% of your components will be on the cloud. So think of it like that there. So even for the on-prem app, you're not going to be 100% on-prem. The component, the billing materials will move to the cloud, your bus, your storage. Because if you put it on-prem, you need to hire all the whole things to buy it and hire the people, so that's not going to happen. So from a component perspective, 75% of your bill of materials will move to the cloud, even for an on-prem application. So, and of course the SaaSification of the industry in the last decade and my three favorite companies last decade, you worked for two of them, Tableau, ServiceNow and Splunk. I want to ask you about those, but I'm interested in the potential disruption there. I mean, you've got these SaaS companies, Salesforce of course is another one, but they started in 1999. Do you, what do you see happening with those? I mean, we're basically building these sort of large SaaS platforms now. Do you think that the cloud native world that developers can come at this from an angle where they can disrupt those companies or are they too entrenched?  I mean, just amazing how much they've grown and you feel like, okay, nothing can stop them, but there's always disruption in this industry. What are your thoughts on that? No, very good, but I think they'll be disrupted. So to me, actually to be to your point, ServiceNow is now close to $100 billion now, $95 billion market cap, very crazy. So from a valuation perspective, so I think the reason they'll be disrupted is the SaaS vendors that you talked about, ServiceNow and all this plan, most of these services, they're truly not a multi-tenant, what do you call the cloud native and that is their ecclesia. So because of that, they will not be able to pass the savings back to the enterprises. So the cost economics, the economics that the cloud provides because of the multi-tenancy ability will not. The second reason they'll be disrupted is AI, right? So far we have, we've talked about AI is the core. So it's not only cloud native, Dave, I look at the AI native piece. AI is going to change. See, all the SaaS vendors were created 20 years back, if you remember, was an operator typing it. Like I remember SpunkAdministered will type a Spunk query. I don't need a human to type a query anymore. System will practically find it. That's how the whole security game has changed, right? So what's going to happen is if you believe in that, the AI at its core will disrupt all the SaaS vendors. So one angle SaaS is going to have is the cloud. That's why you, to me, the cloud will take out because the SaaS application will be cloudified. Being SaaS is not cloud, right? Second thing is SaaS will be also, I call it will be AI-fied. So AI and machine learning will be trying to thrive at the core so that I don't need that many licenses. I don't need that many humans. I don't need that many administrators to manage or I call them the tuners. Like once you get a driverless car, you don't need a thousand tuners to tune your, your Tesla and Google WebO car. So the same philosophy will happen is your DevOps, your administrators, your service management, people that you need for service now and these products then there's, with AI will tremendously will disrupt.  And I guess you're, I guess I'm inferring saying, yeah, but a lot of the problems that they're solving, you're going to go away because of AI. Is that right? And automation and RPA and things of that nature. Is that right? Yes and no, I'll tell you what, sorry, you're asked a very good question. Let's ask that, let me rephrase that question. What you're saying is why can't the existing SaaS vendors do the AI? Yes, right. And there's a reason they can't do it is their pricing model is by number of seats.  It's the same reason why a Ford and General Motors never build an electric car. They're selling 10 million car gasoline cars. There's no incentive for me. I'm not going to, any AI I'm going to put, I'm not going to come to you and say, hey, buy me 100 less licenses next year from me.  But at the core, if you really implement the AI with, you take the driver out, how are you going to change the pricing model? And being a public company, you got to take a hit on the pricing model and the price and it's going to have a stock impact. So to your earlier question, will somebody disrupt them? A person who's going to disturb them will disturb them on the pricing model. Right. So I want to ask you about that because we saw Snowflake, you know, and it's IPO, we were able to pour through its S1 and they have a different pricing model. It's a true cloud consumption model. Whereas, of course, most SaaS companies, they're going to lock you in for at least one year term, maybe more. And then you buy the license, you got to pay X if you, if you don't use it, you still got to pay for it. Snowflake's different. Actually they have a different problem that people are using it too much and the CFO, driving the CFO crazy because the bill is going up and up and up. But to me, that's the right model. It's just like the Amazon model, if you can justify it. So how do you see the pricing, that consumption model? Actually you're seeing some of the on-prem guys at HPE, Dell, they're doing as a service. They're kind of taking a page out of the last decade SaaS model. So I think pricing is a real tricky one. No, you nailed it. No, you nailed it. So I think the way in which the Snowflake did, how they disrupted the data warehouse, they disrupt the open source vendors too. Snowflake disrupted, imagine the playbook. You disrupted something is the $0, right? It's an open source with cloud era, hot and works, map are, that whole big data that you and me talk, that market is decimated. They're disrupting data warehouses like NetEase, Terrarata, buy it. And they're charging more money. They're making more money and disrupting the $0 because the pricing model is by consumption that you talked about. The same thing is going to happen in the ServiceNow, Zendesk world because their pricing model is by number of seats. People are going to say, however my users are going to ask, right? If you're an employee help desk, back to your original, how collaborate. I may be on Slack. I could be on Zoom. I'll maybe on MS Teams. I'm going to ask by using usage model on Slack to my employees to service now. Is the pricing model that people want to pay for? The more my employees use it, the more value I get. But I don't want to pay by number of seats. So the vendor who's going to figure that out. And that's where I look. You know me, I'm right over at the CU at Isla. That's what I'm trying to push that model look. I love that because that's the core of how you want to change the new game. I agree.   If you pay more, it's only because you're getting more value out of it. So I wanted to flip the switch here a little bit and take a customer angle, something that you've been on all sides. And I want to talk a little bit of strategies. You've been a strategist. I guess once a strategist, always a strategist. How should organizations be thinking about their approach to cloud? It's of course different for different industries, but back when the CUBE started, financial services cloud was a four letter word. Of course the age of company is going to matter, but what's the framework for figuring out your cloud strategy to get to your 70% and really take advantage of the economics? Should I be mono cloud, multi cloud, multi vendor? What would you advise?  Actually you are, John taught me that to remember we used to talk about what was the tech stack, like the lamp stack. I think there's a new cloud stack needs to come in that. I think the bottom layer should be is, first of all, anything with storage should be in the cloud. You should not be, I mean, if you want to start, whether you're financial doesn't matter. There's no way I come from cybersecurity side. I've seen it. Your attackers will be more with insiders than being on the cloud. So storage has to be in the cloud. Then companies compute, Kubernetes. If you really want to use container and Kubernetes, it has to be in the public cloud leverage that, have the compute run there. Databases, that's where it can be like, if your data is so strong, maybe run it on-prem, maybe have it on a hosted model for when it comes to database, but there you have a choice between hybrid cloud and public cloud choice. Then on top when it comes to app, the app itself, you can run locally or anywhere, the app and database. Now, the areas that you really want to go after to migrate is, look at anything that's an enterprise workload that you don't need people to manage it. You want your own team to move up in the career. You don't want 1000 people looking at a, like you don't want to have a, for example, IT administrators to call central people, to people to manage your compute storage. That workload should be more, right? You already saw CRM moved out to Salesforce. We saw collaboration already moved out. Zoom is not running locally. You already saw SharePoint with knowledge management moved out, right? With a box, dropbacks, you name anything. The next workload will move out is SaaS workloads, right? I think workday itself is running there, but workday itself will go into the cloud. I bet at some points, Zendes, ServiceNow, either they run it on the public cloud or they have to create a product on public cloud. To your point, these public cloud vendors are like, they're $2 trillion market cap there.  Yeah. So I am ServiceNow. I mean, that's a $2 trillion market cap if I'm Amazon and Azure, I'm not going to compete with them. So I want to take this workload to run it there. So all these vendors, if you see that's where Shantanu from Adobe is pushing this, right? Adobe, Workday, Anaplan, all the SaaS vendors will move them into the public cloud between these vendors. So those workloads need to move out, right?  That's where the RPA comes in. See, the other thing that we didn't talk about, back to your first question, what is the next 10 years of cloud will be is the RPA? The third piece to cloud is RPA because if you have your systems on-prem, I can't automate them. I have to do a VPN into your house there and then try to automate your systems for your procurement, et cetera. So all these RPA vendors are still running on-prem. Most of them, whether it's UI path, automation anywhere. So the cloud should be where their brains should be. That's where the, I call them like the octopus analogy. The brain is in the cloud, the tentacles are everywhere, they should manage it. But if my tentacle has to do a VPN, go into your house to manage it, I'm always will have a failures. So if you look at the why RPA did not has the growth, like the snowflake, like the cloud, because they're running it on-prem, most of them still. 80% of the RPA revenue is on-prem, running on-prem. That needs to be called cloudified. So AI, RPA and SaaS are the three reason cloud will take out. Awesome, thank you for that. Now, I want to flip the switch again. You're an investor, multi-tool player here. So if you're, let's say you're an ecosystem player and you're kind of looking at the landscape as you're an investor, of course you invest in the cloud because the cloud is where it's at. But you got to be careful as an ecosystem player to pick a spot that both provides growth but allows you to have a moat. And that's why I'm really curious to see how snowflake's going to compete because they're competing with AWS, Microsoft and Google. Unlike Frank, when he was at service now, he was competing with BMC and with on-prem and he crushed it, but the competitors are much more capable here. But it seems like they've got, maybe they've got a moat with multi-cloud and the whole data sharing thing we'll see. But what about that? Where are the opportunities? Where is that white space? And I know there's a lot of white space, but how do you, what's the framework to look at from an investor standpoint or even a CEO standpoint? Where do you want to place your bets? No, very good question. So look, I did something we talked as an investor on the board with many companies, right? So one thing that, see, as an investor, if you come back and say, I want to create a next generation Docker or a compute, there's no way nobody's going to invest. So that brick and mortar of, even if you want to do a object storage or a block storage, I mean, I've been an investor board member of so many storage companies. There's no way as an investor, I will write a check for a compute or a storage, right? If you want to create a next generation network, like Ethernet switch between Arista, Juniper, Cisco, there's no way. But if you come back and say, I want to create a next generation Wi-Fi for remote working environments where AI is at the core, I'm interested in that, right? So if you look at how the packets are dropped, there's no intelligence in Ethernet switching today. The packets come, I do it. The intelligence is not built into the network with AI level. So if somebody come with an AI, what good is all this NVIDIA, GPUs, et cetera? If you cannot do wire speed, packet inspection, after looking at the content and then route the traffic. If I see, if it's a video packet between you and Boston, there's a high interview there, they should be routing our packet faster because you're a premium ISP. That intelligence has not gone there. So you will see, and that will be a bet people will happen in the network switching, et cetera. So that is still an angle. But if you move up, then comes the platform services. Remember when I was at Pivotal and with VMware, Paul Moritz was my boss, that whole PS as a platform service is a game already won by the cloud guys. So Silicon Valley investors, I don't think you want to invest in past services, right?  Let's say you want to do a time series database or some metrics database. There's always some small angle, but the opportunity to go create a next generation database there, it's very few. So I'm kind of eliminating all the black spaces, right? Where the white spaces that comes in is the SaaS level. Now, to your point, if I'm Amazon, I'm going to compete with Snowflake, I have Redshift. So this is where at some point, these cloud platforms, I call them aircraft carriers. They're not going to stay as aircraft carriers. They're going to own the land as well. So they're going to move up to the SaaS space. The question is you want to create a SaaS service like CRM, they're not going to create a CRM like service. They may not create a sales force and service now. But if you are going to a data warehouse, I can very well see Azure, Google and AWS going to create something to compete with Snowflake. Why would I not? It's so close to my database and data warehouse. You already have Redshift. So that's going to be like same reason to look at Netflix. You have a Netflix and you have Amazon Prime. Netflix runs on Amazon, but you have Amazon Prime. So you have the same model here, you have Snowflake and you'll have Redshift. They both will help each other. There'll be what you call the coexistence will happen. But if you really want to invest, you want to invest in SaaS companies. You do not want to be investing in a company and players. You don't want to be a feature. Yeah, that's great. I appreciate that perspective.  And I wonder if people often ask the Andy Jassy, you're going to move up the stack.  But I wonder, and we were talking to Jerry Chen about this years ago on theCUBE and his angle was that Amazon will play, but they'll play through developers.  So it's going to be interesting to see how directly Amazon plays. But at some point you got TAM expansion, you got to play in that space. Yeah, it is. So I'll give you an example of knowing, I don't know if I've ever told you, I got acquired by a couple of times by EMC. So I learned a lot from Joe Tucci and Paul Moridge over the years. See Paul and Joe, what they did is, if you look at how 20 years, and they're very close to Boston in your area, Joe, what EMC did is they used to sell storage, but you know what he did? He went and bought the apps to try them. He bought Legato, he bought Documentum, he bought Captiva. If you remember how he acquired all these companies as services, he bought VMware to try them. So I think the good angle that Microsoft has is, I'm a SaaS player, I have dynamics, I have CRM, I have SharePoint, I have collaboration, I have Office 365, I have MS Teams for users, and then I have the platform as Azure. So I think if I'm Amazon, I'm missing that. I got to own the apps so that I can drive these workloads on my platform. Interesting. Just going to developers, like I know Jerry Chen, he was my peer at VMware. I don't think just living to developers and that model works in the open source, but the open source game is pretty much gone. And not too many companies made money. Most open source companies pretty much gone. Yeah, he's right. Even Red Hat's not part of the idea, but it's very interesting what you're saying there. And it's like, hey, it's why Oracle wants to have TikTok running on their platform, right? I mean, it's going to drive that vertical integration. I wanted to ask you something you were talking about. You wouldn't invest in storage or compute, but I wonder, and you mentioned some commentary about GPUs, of course, NVIDIA has been going crazy, but they're now saying, okay, how do we expand our TAM? They make the acquisition of ARM, et cetera. What about this DPU thing? Have you followed that? The data processing unit where they're like, hyper disaggregation and then they re-aggregate as an offload and really to drive data-centric workloads. Have you looked at that at all? I did, I think, and that's a good angle. So I think, look, it's like it goes through it. I don't know if you remember our career, we have seen it. I used to get Silicon Graphics. I saw the first graphic GPUs, right? That time, GPU was more graphic processor units. Right, yeah, workstations. It's more NVIDIA time, you got 3D effects. So then become NPUs, effort processing units, right? There was a TCP offload engines. If you remember, right? There was like vector processing unit. So I think every once in a while, the industry, we create this separate unit as a co-processor to the main CPU because main CPU is inefficient and it makes sense. And then Google created TPUs and then we have the new world of the NVIDIA's GPUs. Now we have DPUs. All these are good, but what's happening is all these are driving for machine learning AI for the training period there. The training period sometimes is so long with the workloads. If you can cut down, it makes sense. But the question is, these are so specialized in nature, I can't use it for everything. I want ideally the algorithms to be paralyzed. I want the training to be paralyzed. I want so having DPUs and DPUs are important. I think where I want to see them is more the algorithm. There should be more investment from the NVIDIAs and these guys taking the algorithm to be highly paralyzed them. And then the DPUs, and I think that still, they has not happened in the industry yet. All right, so we're pretty much out of time, but what are you doing these days?  Are you still in stealth? You give us a little glimpse. Yeah, no, I'm out of the stealth. I'm actually the CEO of ISRA now. ISRA is obviously, I invested with them, but I'm the CEO of ISRA. It's funded by Menlo Ventures, Northwest, True, along with Coastal Ventures. And Ram Sriram is a big investor. Ram is on the board of Google. So these guys, look, we are going after the collaboration game. How do you automate customer service and support for employees and end users, right? In this whole game, we talked about the Zoom, Slack, and my MS Teams. That's what I'm spending time. I want to create next generation service now. Fantastic. Mudo, I always love having you on. You don't pull punches. You tell it like it is.  Thanks so much for coming on theCUBE and participating in our program. Yeah, it's always pleasure speaking with you, sir. Thank you. Okay, keep it right there. There's more coming from Cubon Cloud right after this break.


So now we got part A, we're going to move on to part B, determine the period of oscillation. And again, I'm going to ask you, don't just fast forward through this. What is the symbol we use for period of oscillation? And what is the equation that relates that to the other things that we've seen? Well, the period of oscillation is our capital T and is related to the angular frequency by 2 pi over the angular frequency. So again, we know these values and I can plug those in using my 2 pi and the value I just got in part A, 3.61 radians per second.  Again, make sure you do the calculation so that you can understand how to find these answers.


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What expectations do you have of your squad? I think overall, doing better than last, or the last couple of seasons, but obviously in my time here. Good work done enough to make sure we're in the division, of course. That was the biggest challenge, and then from there, can we take, you know, some of the stuff we've learned from that forwards and improve? I think that's the first step. I'd imagine you've got confidence that they can do better than last season. What gives you that confidence that they can do? Yeah, certainly I've got confidence. I think having a pre-season with the players, we've had a few, for different reasons, came in late and stuff because of internationals and a couple of injuries, but generally having a pre-season with them and, you know, rubbing off hopefully more with what we expect from them. And some of the things that I think are important. So, you know, the truth is when the whistle blows, you know, but so far I think during pre-season, it's been a pretty solid pre-season. There's good performances and a good energy and belief in what we're doing. So we want that to obviously go into the first game and beyond. You have spoken about difficulties in the transfer market. I wonder how many more bodies do you feel you need to get in before that window shorts? Well, there are challenges. That's been apparent. We've been linked with many, that's always the case. No, I think it's not really an exact number, but I think I spoke last year and I think everyone knew it, certainly Evertonians. There was a big imbalance in the squad, you know, too many players in certain positions. So we're having to, and we've somewhat done that, we're having to rebalance. So therefore we need to find that balance so the players can fill in the slots, if you like. But obviously have a quality that we think is appropriate and finding that right mixture. You know, we have got some experience here. Can we find the next young players as well to add into that experience and build the squad in a different way than that has been in the past? Obviously I have to throw names at you. Wilfred Nonto was left out of the lead squad last night. I know it's easy for us to put two and two together, but what indication is that that there is a deal to be done there because we hear that Everton have had approaches knocked back by leads? Well, as you know, I don't tend to speak about other players. Me as a good player, there's lots out there. What I will speak about is Youssef. He's nearly in a situation for me to be clear on. It's very close now, so that's why I'm happy to speak about that one. So hopefully that'll get done and that's a young player, of course, who can, like I say, add a different layer and a different dimension to rebuilding or adding to the squad. So yeah, there's a number of players out there. I've said all along we're working hard, which we are doing. So let's see what we can open up. Youssef got some of the qualities that Dominic has in terms of whole playing.  For starters, he's young. We're not putting any kind of pressure on him at all at this stage. You know, he's very young in his career on the pitch and off the pitch and his natural professional understanding. But we think he's got the raw talent and ingredients to be a good player. So that's why we've got him here. And are you able to tell us any more about Higo Ekitike? Because we hear that there's been at least contact with PSG. No, not to my knowledge. Is that no contact? No, there's not to my knowledge about him. Demari Gray, in terms of potential outgoings. I mean, what potential is there that he could go to? Demari, the players that are here are still here. That's the truth that, you know, the links with people like whether it's him or the ones I keep reading about him, Mace and Andre Gomez, you know, people like that, they're still here. They're still absolutely part of the club.  Standard. Absolutely. What do you expect from Fulham then, obviously, first game of the season? Marco has also had his own fair share of problems, trying to build on what they managed to do last season, of course. Yeah, I mean, we all know it's a very strong season from last season. They did very well. But like I said, the challenge of football is not just ours. Every club has its own difference sort of challenges. Ours have probably been more obvious to all and more reported on. But no, I'd expect, well, after viewing them last season, obviously at the end of pre-season, you're never quite sure. Equally, they won't be sure about us either. We'll wait and see, but they had a very strong season last season. They've still got some very good players. So, yeah, we have to be ready for every challenge and we'd learn that. That is something the clubs learned over the last couple of seasons. There's absolutely no gimmies in the Premier League. It's something I've been preaching for many, many years. So you have to be ready for everyone, whether it's the first game or the last game, you have to be ready. A couple of things around the team. Is it confirmed that James Tarkovsky is vice-captain now? And if it is, how difficult was it to tell Jordan Pickford? Yeah, it's one of them. To be honest, there's a reason I spoke to Jordan and I spoke to Sheamus. So to be clear, Sheamus is club captain and team captain as long as he's fit and he's well and he's playing, of course, and he's picked. I just wanted an on-pitch, as in, literary on the pitch, you know, from a keeper's point of view. And I remember Tom was captain for a while in the absence of Ben Mee and things like that. But generally speaking, I was like an on-field captain in the sense of, you know, higher up the pitch, can affect more. Jordan is his own kind of captain anyway. You know, he's a very, very experienced player. And he was absolutely understanding of the situation. It was a very simple thing. But like I say, nothing's changed with Sheamus. So if Sheamus is fit and well, when he does get fit and well and he's playing, then he's captain. Tarky fit for the weekend. Also, what chance that Dominic can have in your life? Yeah, we were more being cautious over the last couple of games, as you can imagine, because the squad is still a bit skinny. I mean, you know, we've got a couple in and loans and stuff. A couple of injuries still that are going to take a bit of time. So, yeah, it's more managing the players. But no, he's fine. He's earlier. Yeah, but he just needs game. He needs game time, Dom, because unfortunately, the games have just ran out in pre-season for him. You know, if it could have been a couple of weeks earlier, we could have got more game time in. But he's fit and well as we go. Generally, we're just finishing off the games program. And as long as he comes through that, then he'll certainly be... We'll be looking forward to having him back. Can he possibly be on the bench against Fulhamer? We'll have to make a call on that. I've spoken to him about it anyway, and how he's feeling and stuff like that. So we'll make a call on that. And just Dwight and Seamus, any update on when they might be available again? And Deli as well? Yeah, Dwight, yeah, Deli, unfortunately, he's had a setback. He's fine in himself, which is important, of course, after, you know, the recent news. And he's well in himself. But obviously, it's a bit of a setback when he was just getting fit and he was just back in training. So that wasn't ideal. So he's a bit of a time. Anyway, he's got time anyway. We know that to make sure he's well on the pitch and off the pitch. Yeah, Dwight, unfortunately, it's not going to be days. It's going to be weeks. I mean, not loads of weeks. We're waiting to see, but certainly it won't be days. So yeah, that's an unfortunate one. Excuse me. An ankle ligament injury. He's never, in my experience, not been injured very often. So we're hopeful that his body deals with that pretty quick. Seamus? Seamus is just on his way. Yeah, a natural part of his rehab will come in through the natural part of his rehab. So this is more of a timescale thing as regards to the plan that was in place for that type of injury. Gresham, good luck. Thank you. Thanks for going to the Premier League, good opportunity. Obviously, the last couple of seasons have been a sort of a battle to survive in the Premier League. What do you think of the realistic aims and ambitions for this campaign forever, too? Well, like I mentioned, I think it has to be progress. You know, we've got to look at progress. Just staying up for two seasons, and I mentioned at the end of last season, you know, we can't just keep relying on that. There's got to be more to it. So we're looking to build on the squad mentality that's here. We're looking to bring some of their qualities more to life, if you like, and then also bring in where we can, you know, and achieve a more rounded squad. So certainly the idea is to be better than last season. Hopefully on a weekly basis, but certainly on a seasons basis, to be in better shape than last season. That's the first marker. In terms of Premier League experience, he brought in Ashley Young, who's got vast Premier League experience. What has he brought in, and has he had an impact on the...? He's brought in a reminder that I'm old, as I was his captain, and he made his debut. So that was a bit of a reminder to the truth of my life. And we'd see him once in the building. And he's at the end of his career, and I'm like, where did that go? That was good. But, no, he's a great pro. He's a rounded pro, obviously, very experienced, very fit, looks after himself, and he's still got that edge that you need as a player. Never been too bothered about age, me, as long as I've got that edge that it is, that competitive edge, and he's certainly got that. Could be the last full season of goodness, but I just wondered if that's an added motivation, and it ends well? No, I think that's more an historic thing.  Then that's a different ball game. I've been here two minutes in the grand scheme of things, so I'm just more worried about the team, getting that sorted out, organising the club the best icon of my share of it, but the stadium and all that situation, that's more, that's deeper than just me, as a manager. Good luck, thank you. Thank you. Hi, Sean. When you came to the club, the second half of last season, there was obviously a very specific goal in mind, and a lot of pressure, and the pressure is always there, of course, but how does it feel now? Excited are you for a new season? You've had the summer, a pre-season? Do you feel like you've got a bit more space to breathe, if you like? Yeah, I think so, there's still pressure, because it's inherent in the job anyway, but certainly at a club like this, besides the Everton Football Club, the history and all that sort of stuff, but yeah, it was a much more pressurised situation last season, because of the situation the team and the club found itself in, so, but there's always pressure, there's pressure you put on yourself as much as anything, and to make sure you're working hard with the team to perform, so, yeah, I'm not too, if you get what I mean, I'm not looking at like as a breather though, I mean, there's no time for a breather, it's going to be whistle blows and we're off and running again, so there's been a lot of work done pre-season, you want that to pay us back, and you want us to pay us back straight away, but no, a different kind of pressure, pressure's always there on what you do as a manager, and particularly, as I said, at a big club like this. And for all coaches now this season, there are some new rules being brought in, and one of them is, and we saw it last week in the EFL, the amount of added on time to matches, how much do you now have to factor that in, in terms of how you manage the game and your substitutes and things like that? Yeah, it will play its part, we're all been more or less assured of that, if I've made a decision, I don't know who gets consulted on that, but we certainly weren't, so the decision's made, that's it, so we all go along with it and prepping for it, mental preparation as well for the players. In an era when you talk about health and safety and players playing too much football, it's been an odd one, I think, but that's the way it is, so we get on with it, they're the rules, we play too.  You'll see, I mean, he had a good season last season, we know that, he's unfortunately missed about two weeks, 10 days, two weeks in pre-season, we're nothing too desperate, so I mean, he's okay now, but yeah, we've liked what he's offered since he's been back at the club. Thanks Ian, we'll go to Carl, the press, on some issues. One question on Delhi, I mean, that's the sum of the major event in his life, talking about it. I just wondered how well the club was set up to deal with it and how important is that pastoral side of the care? Well, he felt very well, I saw his interview and I thought he spoke very positively and fairly about what we tried to support him with, and I think he's come through it well in his own grounds, you know, not just on any support we've given him. Yeah, I mean, look, I remember saying at the interview probably seven or eight years ago, I think it was the Henry Winter, I said, he said, what do you think the future is? And I said, health and well-being, because the demands are the job, the demands of social media, the demands of modern life, sorry, modern football life as a player, they're getting harder all the time, so that was my true then, and it still is, you know, I think it is a future of what's going on, I think, you know, the health and well-being and the mental well-being is gonna be a big part of the future of football, and he's come out, said what he said, he's in a good place now, I speak to him every few days, not with too much depth, just checking in, you're okay, and he's in a good place at the moment, other than his injury, which he's very unfortunate with to just re-injured slightly, so we're waiting on that to settle down. In your last press conference for the season, post-match after Bournemouth, you spoke about the need for change, I just wondered what that change looked like and how much has been implemented? Well, it looks like a slow, gradual change, because obviously you can't change a whole thinking of a club in sort of what, well, from last season to this season, about five and a half week pre-season, a close season of similar, you know, you can't change everything, but I think we're beginning to make steps in the right direction, re-balancing of the squad on the pitch, looking for that mixture with younger players as well as older experienced players to find a sort of healthy balance off the pitch. There's some of it, obviously, I'm not in control of the very top of the club, but there's certainly a shift in mentality, I think, towards what the club's going to need moving forward, so we want to build on that and continue it. Thanks, Carl. Any further questions in the open section before we move on? Gosh, boy, I need luck, must be chucking up. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's a fair one, yeah. Hi, John. George Pease with Liverpool World. Just want to talk about the striking options you've got this year. You're looking like you're going to have at least three or four players who could potentially play down the middle, and maybe one more coming in. Does that fill you with hope, given that you were the least-loved scorer last year? Well, it's something that, a trend that we have tried to affect last season with goals from other areas, obviously, Dwight and Duke being two players who certainly adjusted to that challenge. I don't think it's just about strikers. It's very helpful if you've got strikers who are scoring in on form, that's obvious. But we've found different ways of affecting games. So statistically, we hope that the stats come back to us because it's unlikely you have another season where three strikers get, I think, of its four goals. So that's unlikely. You never know, but that's unlikely. So that alone, we want to change that start and help them to do that as strikers. 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