Good morning. Good morning or afternoon or wherever you all are So I'm going to put the meeting notes in the chat If you're on a computer Please add yourself to the attendance if you're calling in say who you are and somebody will add you and we need two scribes if I Could have a volunteer two volunteers that would be amazing This is a going to be a working session So we're shifting towards having which we were doing about a year ago where we would have presentations every other meeting and then working sessions every other meetings so that You know people can decide if they have if they can't attend every meeting They can kind of pick the meetings that they want to attend to they want to attend And then we can do a little more prep and be efficient with our our meeting times Um, we the upcoming January meetings are visible in the planned meetings, which is above the agenda I'm very excited to have Jonathan Meadows who will be presenting open source training materials on January 8th And Justin Cormac have it has agreed to facilitate that meeting Would love to have people sign up for scribes ahead of the meeting and then we don't use have to use the meeting time for that Um, but uh, you know, we can always recruit people day of as needed so while people are gathering if you have We're going to do check-ins in the working meeting sessions So we'll ask everybody to talk a little bit about what you've been up to security wise Events you've been to things we should know about and then Also, feel free to take this time to add something to the agenda. I see that Some folks are doing that. Thank you so much. Put your name next to the item if you Have a thing And then if uh, I I'll talk about the intake priorities because that's my pr Although I hope Justin Kappos will chime in because there's a couple of discussion points. I updated the pr just now with notes With like most of the things that people have mentioned and I'm going to put the pr in here so um So let's just start with check-ins. Thanks ash. We need one more scribe I will start With a check-in all the most my name is sarah ellen if anybody is new um, I am one of the safe security co-chairs and um, I JJ dan and I are um Maybe you all have noticed but we are kind of taking turns with who is the responsible one to show up at meetings Or make sure that we have a meeting facilitator. So um, I volunteered for um, december january and so um, jj and dan Will attend when they can but um, but then it gives you know, it gives us a little um Ability to um, also attend to other things in our lives. So um So I think all of my other updates are on the agenda So next I will ask emily to check in Um, I am coming back after not being available for these for a while. Um I've got a couple updates already on the agenda that I will talk about later Great. Thanks, emily tabatha I'm still just getting my feet under me Um, do you want to I think you you're um, I think you're new to the group since kubekan Maybe we should each say like what we a little bit about any affiliation or what we do here at the sig Emily, you want to go back to like Your role just mention People know your Although we're gonna come in the agenda So yeah, I'll let it go be that I'm doing a couple of different things so far I've been doing a lot of the governance and documentation updates within the repo as well as the security day stuff with Michael and a few others, but I will talk about that later Thanks, emily tabatha Um, I really only represent myself and at the moment I'm just kind of seeing what's happening and seeing You know in what ways I contribute in the in what ways I can contribute meaningfully in the Time that I have available in my you know personal time So, you know, I'm interested in in doing security things and uh, you know in a lot of Advancing what's going on with attacking Kubernetes Great. Thanks, tabatha. Justin kappos I'm Justin kappos. I'm a professor at NYU for those of you who don't know me. Um A big piece of news today is our tough project Reach graduated status that was officially said so hooray And yeah, I also do things related to security assessments and have been working stuff with the landscape But both of those are on the agenda so we can just wait to talk about them Great Brandon lumb Hi, um, I'm Brandon. I work on tree out related things as well as um, I participated in some security assessments with the sick um Some security related updates. We just got encrypted containers merged into cryo So if you're using open chip, you can actually play a bit Uh, other than that, uh, I think most of the stuff that I want to talk about is in the agenda as well I've been working with jesson kappos on the um new landscape stuff super jesson kormack Hi, um So, yeah last week I was in seattle for the natury v2 concertina signing kickoff. We had Lots and lots of people there. Thanks for everyone who came and everyone who died. I think we'd um 16 people in person which was great. Um and So it's a collaborative effort with amazon and microsoft red hat vmware um jfrog and other uh docker and others to basically um Get um makes and changes to nature to basically Make the the the primary aim is to have Signatures in as in registry artifacts so they can be moved around But there's a whole bunch of secondary Requirements and we're doing requirements gathering process at the moment. Um, I'll paste the The working dock link in from there, but um, yeah, it was really nice to see so many people come together and work together on Other cnc project which is pretty nice Hi billus um ash I'll take notes while you talk Hi, so I'm one of the maintainers of the open policy agent project As far as updates are concerned not too much this week I'll be a reviewer for the cloud custodian security assessment And also I've worked with the SIG on the opa security assessment in the past Thanks. Thanks ash robert Hi, yes, uh in terms of update. We're trying to get the falco assessment kicked off. So, um kind of coordinated kickoff call January 6th And uh, also available to participate in the cloud custodian assessment as well Super Um, andrey vegas Thanks, our andres andres vega. I put the answer the wrong place Thank you. Dalligan from the road. I am product manager at sidetel currently involved in the soft assessment for strippy inspire New to the group since kubecon very interested to participate and contribute work to Landscape trail map work as well as any secure by default efforts that the group puts on Great. We are always brainstorming on how to be secured by default while not preventing everything Um capo Did I pronounce your name right? Coordinating courting all the meat buttons. Uh, so my name is capil. I work at amazon on the open source team. I'm also the primary maintainer on clock custodian and Uh, partly just trying to get used to the process It looks like we've got a bunch of people signed up for reviewers But we're still looking for a way to secure your review if anyone has time in in early january and yep General focus on security is trying to secure cloud control planes Great because none of us want our data leaked anymore Yeah, it's it's important stuff Um, and then I don't know I if we have anybody from any of the um partner sigs or working groups I didn't hear anybody chime in there Um, I will just uh from policy this is robert from policy work group We did talk about cloud custodian Um, and I think capil you presented to us a few weeks back Um, so there's interest, um, but we're a small group So I think I'm probably most of the bandwidth that the group has but we'll try to get some other recruits Um, but it could be it could be a good landing place for the project eventually Thanks one other update. Uh, howard has put forward a proposal for kud con For an our back discussion Um, so I don't know when they start giving feedback on those proposals But as soon as I get it, I'll relay it here right because the CFP closed Yeah, yeah, he got it in just just before the deadline So I don't know how long it takes them to to give up the thumbs up. I think it's mid january From memory. Okay, great I'll give an update as soon as I hear Great. Thanks for that update. You provide a little glue between the afternoon meeting and the morning meeting um so Where is our oh our agenda's at the top so now, um security assessment status, um, I am going to share my screen Right. So these are the minutes Um, there's a pr That um, I really appreciate all of the feedback on um, this I think we talked about it when it was a google doc sometime back, but that was a quite a while ago um, we for those of you who are new, um And most of the group is new since this started about a year ago Um, we started this assessment process Um about a year ago within toto, which was at one point um proposed as a precondition to new projects entering And then there was great discussions about how we prioritize these things and the toc was new And so lis who was appointed as our toc liaison and joe beta, but lis was the one we had a first meeting with um Suggested that we go forth and not be blocked by the fact that the toc hadn't determined priorities and so we worked through the process and we did in toto and opa and now we have a um A Prioritization rubric. So I just wanted to go through it. Um to see if um, you know, there's any feedback Which I think Here we are at So what We've um, we're changing the read me To have A list of ongoing projects because we needed to Refer we we didn't want the information about who was doing what Like buried in various documents of the repo. So the read me is where we keep the list of members So I added um The before I added this list of ongoing projects So I sort of filled in other projects as well so that um, the policy team is highlighted here. There's an open pr which is describing the policy team um That hasn't finalized yet. So this was kind of a comment from that pr that I just figured I'd pick up at the same time so to surface that security assessments isn't the only thing we're doing and then um related to this pr is um That justin capos is the facilitator and now we have a co-chair representative. So the idea is that Uh, and this has been happening informally, but of the three co-chairs If there's anything that you know, if anybody has a question that needs to be Either from the toc about the security Security assessments or from the security assessment team to the toc that i'm You know, we have these chair syncs with the toc liaisons and generally the chairs Um attend the toc meetings. So then that should streamline communications Of course, anybody should feel free to talk to anyone But then i'm the official point person If it comes to either contention or just making sure that communication happens by mentioning things in the various meetings that i'm in so um So then that's basically establishing the fact that there will always be a co-chair who is you know the responsible one um Of course any chair um can chime in and help but it's good to have So that we don't rock the ball have one of us be responsible to the group um And then um and then jj has been doing this informally where he syncs with howard on the policy stuff now and then and so we're kind of Generally having this um and this is reflective of the project process That is um described as somewhere in our governance so um, so then oops So how do I navigate this thing? Oh, so if I go to security assessments Then a break we're in this context. So now there is an intake process document and um There's a lot of words here. I welcome reviews, but I think we We need to go through final word smithing, but basically this is the highlights that um A a precondition to starting an assessment is that the project is either already a CNCF project Or it needs to assert That it's cloud native So we're still like It's not like we have a really clear definition by some people's perspective Some people think it's obvious what cloud native is and When it comes down to it And some is if somebody asserts that's not so cloud native then Usually there's a little confusion there um, so I think that um, you know, that's something we'll just iterate on that definition and then um The key thing that is actually blocking most of the projects right now is that There needs to be both an identified project lead And a written self-assessment and those are sort of the external things So that once those exist then our security team um, like Comes into action um, and just and maybe can chime in a little bit about how that happens um and then um The priority so these are the priorities we've agreed on with our toc liaisons, which is um The top priority which actually has never happened But we want to reserve the right for the toc to say okay Here is our top priority put it at the top of your list um And with the agreement that they're not going to interrupt something that's ongoing This is just for the q of not started things um So they can just request that something jump the q or be inserted in it And then but generally we don't we have not gotten very Um pointed feedback from them. They're just like great. You're doing stuff And so The other the next priority is that if something has already received a security audit We Are generally De-prioritizing them But if a year has passed Since their audit and we want to like Pay attention to them so And this is more of a bootstrapping because This assessment process is new a bunch of projects already had an audit when we started this process um and then um cncf projects that request a review are next right or they could be invited by a sig member we could just May occasionally want to or need to do a little outreach And then they're generally prioritized by project maturity. We do graduated projects before sandbox And then lastly we are um You know, it's totally fine if we decided it's a good idea to do non cncf projects or for them to approach us We would just prioritize cncf ones about that generally So um, and then there's a little note about this annual review all idea There was some discussion should be bi annually or so forth I kind of think that annual is like it's more likely that somebody was around who did it last time and um I think that for a lot of projects that may be just a Hey every like the project says Here's a pr updating my assessment and somebody says okay, you fixed a few bugs and it all looks good, right? If there's no features added there may it I expect it to be a very lightweight process and even some features may not really affect the assessment itself um, so The big news is that we now have a github project That um, can I jump in and just say one thing real quick, please All right. I our goal with all of this isn't to have there be like a big um bureaucratic set of rules that follows every possible way of doing it.  So um, don't interpret anything said here as um We have tied our hands in a way that we shall exactly do only these things um Like fundamentally for instance, let's say that the spiffy spider assessment, which is about to start You know, um, we have a hard time getting the lead reviewer for it and you know Some other project comes along and we have all the people ready to go You know it You know, I don't think these guidelines say exactly what happens in that case and that's good because you know We'll have to play it by ear We may have multiple assessments going on at the same time Even if the groups are disjoint or if the load seems reasonable or one stalls So just treat these more as thoughts about how this might go rather than You know a shall must You know a sort of thing in terms of a standards document Thanks, Justin. I think that that's a really important point like we're trying to get things written down to help People understand generally what we're doing and to get to align us so that we can just you know Sometimes it's non-controversial and we just are like, okay. Well, how are we going to arrange these things? um, typically It so far it's been fairly non-controversial um But it you know it sort of establishes guidance. So are there questions about this priority list before I go on to logistics All right, so we have I think the biggest question is We should just have people comment on the poll request with all the questions they have and things like that Or just go in and do that, right? Yeah, absolutely. I just thought sometimes there's uh Just depending if anybody has live stuff Cool. Yeah, so don't be shy to weigh in and do that. Um, you'll see a big chain of those kind of Edits from a bunch of people already. So and actually they're Speaking of that There was a comment from you Justin that I had A question about Which was um Way at the bottom here That's I think a detail I have to find So, um This is about the security audit being higher prior the projects that have received a CNCF security audit I guess it's the um Two versus three Um, and like what I wanted to I I'd be rich is sort of interested in different people's perspective on This not that you know, like we Like Justin said, this isn't like super important. Just good to have feedback um Where I think mostly we're bottlenecked by Bandwidth and getting everybody getting the whole project together, but like If they were a project like spiffy is inspired come to us and they've written a sales assessment and that's um That's a big unblocker, but if there was another project, right? I guess it's been about a year Since we started this process. So almost all you know, we've got a queue of like five projects that have received audits but haven't Don't have an assessment and what I was thinking is there's a value to The assessment which is completely different from the audit and And some value to having that body of work um, whereas something that hasn't Given like much attention to these security things the assessment is a lot more work and so I was kind of thinking these would be like sort of easy to knock out But maybe that's not the price like so there's like there's the value to the project And then there's the value to the outside world Which wants to take a look at a a number of projects and be able to assess them quickly So and let me be clear about my my comment. I'm not saying that three should be higher than two But I don't actually think an order here really matters. I mean, I think Saying these are things we could take into account and we'll adjust Makes more sense than trying to decide on a rigid order now when We haven't I think we haven't seen enough it if if this were becoming a very politicized problem that Projects were fighting and we needed someone to step in because there was an issue then I think I'm all for then trying to set up a process, but I think we're kind of trying to Put structure around something that I think that I think I'll say that I think that fairly soon almost all the projects will have had a security audit so it won't be so relevant Because they're going through them They're going through them pretty quickly now So I talked to so if there's only been about Six and there's like 35 projects. No, no, no, there's there's there's at least 10 Well in any case there are a lot more audits to do Then have been done and what I talked to chris about chris a about um in Uh A kube con is of making because now he's got a whole queue of audits, right? And that it would potentially streamline the process to now that we have an assessment process to say The next person who wants an audit to do an assessment first And then we can get into that pipeline kind of thing. Does that make sense just in karmic? Yeah, that would make sense. Yeah, we could do it explicitly by that. Yeah Because it like sort of the the assessment queues up the like initial narrative of the audit in some ways Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I think that yeah, if we coordinate it I think it was a bit of a problem with falco where we almost did them simultaneously Yeah, that's sort of like it's in this cost of us getting our process together great any other thoughts on this Thanks, justin capos appreciate your both of both of your justin's perspective on this so um justin capos and I got together earlier this week and um Made this project where we the idea so we have these blocked ones which are generally blocked by It's you know, there's a tag for need self assessment If it becomes a contentious if it comes in bottleneck, then we could have like need lead reviewer Right now. There's a small number of them. So you just look at the issues and figure it out um And then spiffy spire did their um self assessment Um this week. So they're now in the backlog um and so Justin capos, is there anything that you want to like sort of chime in on on things that you would like People to do or help with or just perspective on this thing I'd like people who are interested to please go on these issues here um the assessment issues and Say, hey, I'm willing to do this. You do not have to be Experienced in this since there's only two of them that have been completed There's a total of I don't know six people or something that have ever done an assessment So don't worry too much about that Even if you feel like I haven't really audited code or really know what to look at or look for Even just saying hey, I kind of know what I'm doing But I just want to help out as I can that's useful because you know You'll build that skill set and then you know by the time some of these other projects are ready Maybe you're ready to take a more active role and maybe even lead a future assessment And then do you know by memory justin which ones are in particular need? I think Um, I think we ideally want at least one more person for spiffy spire Um, especially because I I did almost like the prototype of this myself um So I I think this will be a pretty easy one to do but um like it's a I almost didn't want to be on it again because I've already kind of You know given all my feedback Past but I also wanted to do it because I wanted to see how easy it was to redo it and how much the project had changed Um, so having at least one other person on here. I think would be really helpful as an additional reviewer Uh, the other projects were missing a mix of things in some cases. We're missing a lead in some cases We're missing a couple of reviewers So, you know, just uh, just take a look and see what's of interest and we'd love to have people Jump in and and help out. Uh, and I appreciate everyone who has already volunteered Um, one thing that we will not do if if you end up do end up signing up for two things You know or something like I think I have We're not going to go and try to make you have to do two things in the same two weeks or something crazy like that um But you know also don't do that for everything because at some point we might try to do at least some minor parallelization But we'll keep in mind who's on what as a way of prioritizing it and then um A few people have asked whether we're doing stuff over the holidays and my assumption is that we won't really kick off any Of these assumptions until the new year or somebody correct me if that's not correct for one of these If it's the case that that brandon and evan Are excited to work over the holidays and that you know because they're going to be doing this initial dumb question phase They can kick that off whenever if they want to wait until after they can wait until after um But like emily myself and whoever else A chimed in and wants to join will be will be helpful In those early phases, but most of our work will go A little later in the process Yeah, so i'm going to be probably traveling in the next couple of weeks. So Um, it's not a good time for me to kind of be I'm responsive then so um I I think That probably after the new year. So the first couple weeks of january. So the first week of january. I'll be free um, so if I'll coordinate with evan and And brandon, I know we have this sort of weird before the holidays things But I would love if you would be willing to be a little bit of a guinea pig to pick the moment the pick the start date, right? so that we can track how long it takes because we I think we're working on um, um, like Having a reliable timeline for these things This will be a weird one though because they've already effectively done this almost like the assessment before Yes, and Yeah, okay. Okay. Sorry the things that took a long time were due to In the in opa in my mind were due to our lack of coordination at the end about like who is doing the slide thing and so forth So I think there are some optimizations that have nothing to do with the content But our like handoff and who does what that um since brandon has also been very involved in like Working on our repo and our triage and the github issues. I think is really well positioned to like anticipate where We might not have a clean handoff and tighten that up because this should take much less time but Like we will have to make sure it doesn't all right, so please chime in on things and now To the next agenda item security landscape update, justin Okay, yes um, so I worked a bit with brandon on this and also had some nice feedback from A few other folks on a really rough write-up. We did Basically the update I wanted to give is number one. We had discussed giving a broader update at this meeting and I We're in agreement that we have a good concept and we're really happy with it But we actually want to flesh it out a little more than we've been able to So we'd actually like to request that Amy or someone at the CNCF Get us a little bit of someone who has some of that Nice kind of javascripty foo Thing where we can do little images that you click on that expand out and talk about things as part of the process and so if that is something we could arrange then in You know, I guess depending on uh, since we're going to be busy with spiffy spire depending on Like how all that shakes out, but I feel like we could get something together to show the group pretty quickly just doing You know 10 percent of the actual work that would need to be so people can take a look at it and And then understand if they think the concept is is really solid But it's one of these things that you know either that or I can spend 30 minutes trying to explain to everybody with post Cart post it notes and stuff when otherwise it would be like a 30 second thing you play around with So I think getting the CNCF to do some work To help us would would be a good ask here so I think we need to Maybe we can like offline figure out what that is but like, you know, just also like does the group want to hear Anything more before we advocate spending I think we have people on staff who can help with this but Just in terms of priorities and you know, I don't think we have anything else we're asking for money for but for staff time for um any feedback So is the idea to hold off from seeding content? Once we have a framework to present it in or Yeah, so what we'll basically do Yeah, what we'll basically do is take a small part of Like what would happen in a cloud in the cloud native landscape for how this would all work We'll do a very tiny part seed some initial content that ends a draft To show how this would look how this would work what the utility of it would be And then if we all like it then we go ahead and we flesh the whole thing out and if we want to make changes It's easier to see Um the limitations and problems and ways in which we make changes with something that's more concrete rather than You know look at you know, imagine you have this post-it note and imagine you have that post-it note and so on kind of thing So yeah, and so for folks who are new we um about it I don't know nine months ago or so Small sub team came up with a security landscape structure. What are the categories and our goal was to make it so that More often than not one project would be in one category, but that these are Are these are kind of different way of looking at the whole cloud native security landscape of cloud native land It's completely different from The cloud native landscape because we want to sort of look at the security projects and potentially the non-security projects differently, right Would like you know kind of it's not like security and policy is one thing Right, there's many things and people need to know how to apply these projects. And so this has been Different people have had different perspectives and and On that maybe this is a good way to look at it or maybe these categories are explained well and so By I like this idea just in which if I'm interpreting this correctly Is that you you and brandon have some different? ideas about how to adjust the the buckets and the landscape structure And that it would be easier to talk about it if there were projects in the buckets That that's true. It's it's a bit more than that It's um and I think it's one of these things easier to see but it'll be an easier way for people to find things an easier way for people to understand the pros and cons and an easier way to just sort of locate in and wrap their head around what They should do from security what security products protect against what they don't protect against and so on in the cloud native space So like I said, we're going to do this for a tiny part. We're going to do this for things that are kind of in the CICD like, you know Get development stuff like that stages of it because it's just easier For us to to work it because that's part of wherever our expertise is And then I think then it'll become a lot clearer like the way we've been this and how we're cutting things Great, so it's sort of like a prototype of uh Exactly Brandon, do you have anything to add there? Yeah, and I think another kind of um direction that we're seeing if this is by looking at the processes Of talk native and how security advice is this it kind of provides a good foundation for If and when we want to write a white paper as well It let us give it gives an opportunity to think about a lot of the the details there Um, yeah, I think that like we that's a that's a good thing to raise The the idea was that the this landscape or the Or some thinking from the landscape would go Into the white paper. So they're kind of dovetailed together And we haven't quite figured out like are they cross linked or is part of the content go and one or the other but it's Part of the point of the white papers to understand the landscape. And so they're very related great Um, anything else on that topic? No, thank you. I need a drop though. So thank you. All right. Thanks Justin. So um quick Call out for help on logistics. Um, we don't have to spend a lot of time in like in like in less people have great ideas, but like If we could have an automated Markdown linter with link checker. It would be amazing I don't know if people know of these things or somebody would volunteer to look for one But um, the we we're a bunch of technical people with tools Yay Um, thank you I'll I'll write up an issue with the kinds of things that we um are looking for And assign it to you or you could write an if you would open an issue Then I can assign it to you Otherwise I have to get you to comment on it before I assign it to you Okay, I'll go ahead and open it. Thank you um, then there was a uh Comment on the chat that maybe there are some transcription tools we could use Instead of scribes and I was wondering if anybody knows that Robert are you here still? Yeah, well, I know aws has one But uh, obviously it's a commercial tool. So I don't know if there's anything open source or We could you know someone I could kick in some money for a commercial tool. What does might make it easier If there's a commercial tool that's you know, well, it's a reasonably I mean I think we should look for open source stuff because we're kind of open sourcey But I you know, we use open, you know, we use netify which we pay for We use I mean, I don't know. Maybe we're under their open source license, but the cncf does pay for something so um And then some of the commercial tools will make them free for open source Products open source projects and nonprofits So, um, that could be looked at would you are you volunteering to look into that Robert? Uh, you sure right and I think capill you're from aws. So I don't know if you're still on but maybe we can Chat offline about what Sure And Robert will you open an issue? Yes So Before I get to the error, but there was a pr that you open about the transcription stuff Um, what's that from the service that you you mentioned that cncf provides? Well, that's um, we used a service. Um, and so that If we had that that's very asynchronous like you put in a ticket and you know, you put in an order and you get it within 24 hours um I think there are also real-time systems that may be lower quality but maybe But as good as any of us typing um, you know And so I think that'd be like I think there's a there's sort of two aspects of it, right? One is the real-time meeting notes kind of aspect um, or just getting it automated so that It would happen at post meeting um, so I think we The service that I we were using for that is not practical for this It's not just expense. It's also like having a human who has to go Submit a ticket and you know the back and forth. So we were only doing that for presentations where it's really high value And the idea is to take those transcripts and turn them into something that would be a page on our microsite um But if we could do it routinely both in terms of it's if there is something that was more real-timey or less expensive Or we could do it in an automated way um, right after the zoom meeting it You know real-time would be amazing. We don't need as high fidelity for something that is meeting notes as opposed to presentation Well, so we upload the meetings to youtube and I thought they had some for transcription facilities as well We have seen that on youtube as a user, but I haven't seen how to make that happen. So maybe People could if you if you're know of that Maybe we can chime in on the issue and we can sort of take our collective knowledge Because I think also that sometimes I've looked at things several years ago and then new features appear And I'm not aware of them. So it could be yeah that we just have to turn on a checkbox on youtube, which would be great um, so uh, so yeah, I think a little google searching and Looking at what options are out there would be very fruitful um all right, so yeah, um so being at the at the end of The globe now I get reminded about meeting times being not very practical for the east side So I'm wondering whether I know we talked about this before a little bit where we wanted to rotate the time so that We could get some participants from asia, especially, you know when we have the cube cons in china so I am wondering whether You know how we should go whether we we want to do this and whether we want to kind of like Maybe do a rotating thing where you have a meeting Um in one time zone and then just like two set times and this would take between the two of them I think it would be amazing to be more geographically inclusive. I've just struggled to know how to manage that um one idea that I Like I just thought of while you were talking I'm curious what other people think is it could be like a round cube con because we have like we tend to have cube con centric conversations before and after cube con So you could say that like A month before and two months after or like whatever the right interval is We sync with the cube con time zone I like that So then this meeting would like rotate it. There'd be like three times that we pick as Friendly to the cube con time zone plus another Right and then we could make sure that we have um like so like I like we've been talking about like How like dan's chair um Term he he he picked the short straw And he will be or the long straw. I don't know. Maybe I got the short straw. Any he's going to be um his term is up in um the mid year and You know, I think in my dreams There would be a future where we we have a chair from They have chairs across different geographies, right? So that It's so that everybody doesn't have to travel across the worlds You know, I don't know Then it's sort of like it it sort of helps the the local events and now they're doing these um forums So what do people think about that kind of? synchronization and rotating around the time zone Or are there other ideas about how to make it feel more stable? It seems relatively fair and motivated by practical concerns Okay So I think we should make it brandon would you I think we should make it a suggestion on github Yeah, make sure that we get input from people and would you Volunteer to actually pick some times That are like and how exactly it would work. I think it's just you know There's a lot of different ways to make it work that would be fair and appropriate I just You know, somebody needs to write it down Yeah, I'll create an issue with kind of like the generic problem segment and then Well, I try and figure out how it will work. I think if if we get ideas from people that'll be great as well great Super Did I hear somebody else say something? Okay cloud native security day Emily Um, so we wrapped up our retrospective a few weeks ago. My time is a little weird But we finished our retrospective. It's linked in the meeting notes for anybody that wants to take a look at it We had some great conversations about how we can iterate and improve on the next one for kubecon europe So take a look there You there's also a new ticket number 305 also linked in the it's coming text So if you have some more ideas About what we can do to improve it that we missed in some of our feedback feel free to comment on the ticket We'll be going through them We're looking to start scheduling timeframes to meet up and take how Take the information from the retrospective and how we can apply it and incorporate it into the kubecon europe I see that there's a comment about red team blue team demo session. I think we had that in the original ask not specific to chat ops But within the submission content and i'm i'm not clear if we got anybody that was interested in it But definitely comment on the ticket with that information Thanks Any questions suggestions? thoughts for cloud news security team And is this a link to the github issue Can you link to the github issue about? Um the amsterdam cloud news security day so that people have Other questions like a chairman it's there in the Meeting agenda under it's coming Oh, okay, great The if so right now, I believe Michael and I have both agreed to Coordinate and plan and run the event again But we are definitely looking for more volunteers to help While it is it was rewarding to see how many individuals gave submissions to it Trying to cram and a few people reviewing all of the submissions was a little challenging So if you're up for volunteering on something small like reviewing submissions with us Or assisting with planning or even day of coordination and all hands on deck that would be fabulous Please also comment in the ticket We also have this idea. I want to mention to everybody that um of having more of the sig members like actively participating and like distributing them and like having some responsibility to Be there as somebody who would Um kind of be visible and tell people about the sig and connect people to each other and so forth We haven't quite figured out what the responsibilities are but um So and also the cncf does do travel grants I think it might be an opportunity for us to kind of reach out to our members or prospective members who are in europe and See if that we can have good representation of the sig there And if there are people who would like to be involved and willing to volunteer who You know might need some financing There are grants if we get our act together early enough to ask so I want to kind of put that out there Um for the caveat that you know like emily and michael are still working on like the what and the details but if people are if you or somebody you know is in europe in the region And is like I don't know if I can go Because my company won't sponsor it or you know Like financing would matter Then um, then definitely would love to have someone help think through how we could organize some You know that um though anybody who's been active certainly can submit a travel grant to cncf and We'd be supportive at least verbally supportive of that all right any um Last announcement so we're eight minutes before the hour we can definitely end early But I want to give a chance to open the floor if there are questions that We haven't covered or thoughts that people want to add or announcements All right, thanks everybody. Oh, and we will not be meeting on christmas day In fact, we have canceled the two next meetings and so our next meeting is january 8th Thanks everybody. Thanks ash for taking notes Hey Great job ash. Thanks


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We have been talking about what are all the traditional practices that agriculture we are doing it and is there an assessment and what are the mid-course correction means. What with any activity when you do it, you plan it in such a way that everything will be smooth. When you are executing it somewhere in the middle of your execution, you find that there are certain parameters, certain activities which you have to correct yourself and so that you will get the full fruit of that particular activity. Now here our agriculture practices have left to salinity and other land degradation problems. Now we are likely to have some set of water shortages because of the climate change as well as we may likely to get some extreme weather conditions. So assuming these conditions are going to happen, so what are all the corrections in our practices which we have to do? One way of doing it is there is a flood irrigation which is very prevent in the agriculture practices. Now water shortages have come up. How do you feed the plant? This is one simple thing which we can talk about it. So that is what we are talking about as a mid-course correction. The water supplies and the demand need to be balanced. That means the irrigation water should be always available or based on the availability of the irrigation and your water, your irrigation quantity should be balanced. That is what I wanted to say in this play. Now the second one is or the other one is water supply management and the intersectoral water allocation. What is that mean? Whenever we construct a large reservoirs and many of them in the initial stages of 60s, they were there only for irrigation and power supply. Over the period what has happened is for water supply also they have been included from the same reservoirs. So this type of allocation for agriculture, allocation for drinking water, allocation for environmental issues, allocation for industries, they need to be balanced. So depending upon the growth, depending upon the sectoral allocation, we have to manage the existing water resources available in the reservoir. That is what is mean by allocations. Then we have been talking about aquifers. Aquifers, they are the sources for the groundwater. What is happening right now is if I do not get a surface water for my agriculture, what I try to do is I will go for a bore well and then try to tap the groundwater from the aquifers. And this aquifer withdrawal is so heavy, the water level is coming up in a big way. Water level movement is going coming up in a big way. There are certain aquifers or areas where it has been totally it is a dry. And this recharges for this aquifers takes lot of time. That may be more than 7 years or 10 years and this type of aquifers need to be conserved so that the future generation could make use of the groundwater. Otherwise the groundwater will be completely depleted. Then another thing is we may have to try to think. We have been going about short period crops, high yielding variety crops. Now we have to think on one more problem is available land and water based on that only we should be able to grow our food. That means maximize the yield from the same area which we have done. And many times you might have seen in and around the urban areas the local agriculture lands they have been converted into settlement problem. This way what is happening is we are losing our potential agriculture area from our system. Now another thing is about water resources development technology. This technology may be a delivery technology or it could be a technology which could capture, reuse and then reuse it for the same purpose. So you may have to create some affordable technology. It should not be more of a costly technology so that we will not be able to afford to that. Now when we are talking about the innovation for the futures what we have left out is our traditional technologies like a roof water harvesting, harvesting technology, storage technology which have been adopted and time tested things are available in many parts of the Asia including India. Those things need to be looked into whether it can be rehabilitated. Yes that is the one which we can do that because we cannot afford to have a new reservoirs in many of our areas because already urban sprawl has come up. Now in total or it to sum up sustainable agriculture growth is the way for food security. That means we should not already some amount of damages have happened to the lands as well as to some amount of water quality has been deteriorated and water availability is less. So keeping all these in mind the agriculture sector has to do the livelihood and another thing is many of them many of our people they depend on agriculture for their livelihood. So that needs to be understood that needs to be maintained. Now another one is about the large growth in projected population expected to be in the agriculture economical areas. Now you might have heard that the lot of suicides and lot of activities are coming up coming on the human friend and that is because the poor we may have to increase the income for the poor farmers so that they have access to the food and they have access to the livelihood too. Now what is the technical support which we can do for this type of activities or now as initially I said it is about our entire agriculture practices is oral generation to generation it has been passed on from the elderly people to the younger one, younger one to the youngest one that is the way which have been followed. Now with this digital world there are lot of data lot of knowledge from a different parts of the agro climatic zones they are all available and the same time they do have how to get away with the vulnerability assessment and adaptation of the existing or the forthcoming situations need to be ready. We have to be ready for the vulnerability of the forthcoming features with this type of knowledge and information whether it is available from the nearby area or it is from a far away area. Another concept is sustainable and climate smart management this is for land, water and biodiversity what does it mean is we know smartness that means with the existing material existing resources you prove you go for a cropping and you get the maximum yield. This maximum yield that is what the sustainable agriculture means whereas this sustainable agriculture should take into consideration what are all the climate changes which are possible in the area of your interest or in the geographical area of your interest. So that needs to be done in terms of the land, in terms of water and in terms of biodiversity. Now we may have to use technologies, technology in the sense water delivery technology then pest and other things as well as the practices how we do that ploughing is one thing then water giving that is a irrigation is another thing and these are all the small areas wherein we will be able to change our practices little bit so that we will be able to get a good food crops as well as to take care of the food security. Now this is a general thing okay you are talking about a general what about me what about the globe why should I bother about it or what type of things which can happen that is the next question which we have which you will be asking and which I have to answer you. Now agriculture depends on seed, water and soil fertility these are all the three major issues which affect the agriculture and pest to some extent. So what we have to do is so this is concern of the people scale means area or how many people are there then frequency of information is how frequently this information is needed what all the modern monitoring devices which we may have to have it for continuous monitoring and upgradation or correction courses. Now let me start with the seed I need a farmers as a farmer I need a good seed okay so good seed that means good variety should be there as well as it should need a high variety. So what is the testing which I have to do is monitoring devices only in the laboratory before buying the seed you try to check it up or buy something which is tested and then given where the next one is the seed need to be planted the planting there are growth factors need to be considered one thing is the fertile soil second thing is about the water availability sunshine then pest control. Now what we can do is sunshine yes that is left to the global activity pest control it is a seasonal thing then what we can do is we can talk about only the fertile soil as well as water availability will be concentrating over here. Fertile soil you can add fertilizers you make the soil fertile but water availability you may have to make sure where it is available how it is available these are all the things which we need to do that what is the scale of operation which we need is the information is 1 is to 100 or 1 is to 1000 is the scale that what is what do you mean by scale scale means if on the ground if 1 centimeter is equivalent to 100 centimeters on the drawings that is what the scale means. So what is the type of frequency of information which we need to do is daily to observe a plant growth right what is the another one which we want to do is supplementation and pest control so that you will be able to control the pest so that the crop growth or the fruits they grow on its own. What can I do for this is it is a CCTV it is like or it is by a sensors okay what these two instruments which do is they monitor the plant growth may be in one place or over a period of time with representative places you can have this and then monitor the growth. So if there is going to be a difference in the growth pattern that either as shown in the leaves or in the stems then you will be able to do a corrective actually. It is not why we have to do this is I can go around my field and do that so yes you can do it all around the periphery but you will not be able to see it in the center of the things. So there are other ways which are coming up is the plot size this is regarding a plant plant growth and you have a CCTV as a sensor it absorbs all the growth patterns that is what is happening plot is nothing but agriculture area where you are doing it so it is a first thing is micro level variation micro level variations are nothing but ups and downs which are there in the soil conditions the soil quality is more important if there is going to be a ups and down depressions or ups and down variations then there is a water stagnation is possible and other materials salt materials can get accumulated over there and also the water holding capacity may increase in some places okay this is what the concerns about the field. Now what is the scale in which you want to apply measure it is about 1 is to 1000 preferably it is a daily or it is even if you do it in every 2 days 3 days that is fine so what type of action which I have to take it is I have to take a supplements to soil supplements to soil water that is a irrigation plant supplements if anything is needed which we may have to do that. So what type of monitoring instrument which I have to have it sensors as it is sensors are there for humidity temperature and all other activities the cameras see the cameras here it has to be just focusing from the top or it has to be there on the sides so or it could be a unmanned aerial vehicle that is what we call it as a UAV or it is a drone type of activities which you can do that I may not increasing my cost per production of cost of my crop production yes definitely you are doing it so how much you lose it if you lose the crop yield by different pest and other activities so that economy needs to be work out this is regarding a plot wise what is it on a village wise so this is we are coming down from the seed plant plot villages what happen is so it is a we are growing like a agriculture is everybody expect agriculture to be good food security should be there with us so when you come down to the village level the supporting resources the supporting resources for this is the water and there should be a fertilizer available in the nearby area so that they will not be any problem in the distribution of pesticides as well as fertilizers. Now in the water resources activity the so storages should be good the storages see you might have seen lot of tanks around the world or in India so either they are all degraded or silted and they are not able to store as much as water which they are supposed to store so that way what happen is there is a reduction in the storages when there is a reduction in storages the quantity which is needed by the crops and the settlements are not able to get made it out by this way then another one is distribution set structures. Then structures are nothing but it is a canal or it is small drainages which supplies water from the storage area to the agriculture plot so we have seen over the years these canal these structures either they have caved in or they are blocked or there are some growths of weeds all along these structures so by preventing the water from moving from one place to another place. Then that is storage then another thing is about the rainfall rainfall whether in this every village or every group of villages they should have a rainfall very rain gauge measurements so that the distribution of rainfall from one place to another place will be measured and we will get a better idea when we are doing for the water of calculations. Now another one is important is about the groundwater level groundwater level either it you can do it on the open dug wells or you can do it on the bore wells also this type of information is needed at 1 is to 10,000 scale or 1 is to 5000 scale this is the scale on which village maps are being prepared so that maps can be used and the GIS mode to get a integrated approaches. So what is the frequency which we want to do this information or it is about a weekly so can we do that yes we can do that if you are there in the local micro level village level basis you will be able to do that the assignment so it can be collected from the individual villages then it can be premed up and for that it will be used for the national level planning and progress. Now augmentation of water resources what does it mean by augmentation? Augmentation is if there is a possibility for increasing the storage is one thing then possibility of having one more structure local structure is also possible so this is all the things to get a new storages new quantum of water an additional quantum of water which you can have it up. Now what is the type of monitoring device you want to know is low altitude aerial coverages so it can be a it can it may not be a drone it can be a unmanned vehicle or it could be a low flying aircraft information which you will be able to do that. So this is then what is the aerial extent aerial extent means group of villages they form together that is what I mean by aerial extent. Here important aspects are whether that is temperature variations rainfall variations and things like that then it is a natural disasters see natural disasters depending upon the physiographic condition it could be drought it could be rainfall it could be anything. Now the communication should be communication between the village and the area it should be a pukka so that there will be a direct movement or communication can be done in case of positive activity events as well as for the negative events. Now most important thing in any of the thing is preparedness and management. This preparedness is for the worst so we what happen is always we think about positiveness in case in case if something happens what are all the damages which are likely to happen how do I come out of that and how do I manage it so either a positioning person trained personal or positioning the instruments or positioning the medical supply which can happen these are all the preparedness and management activities which we can do that. The scale on which you want the information is 1 is to 25,000 so this 1 is to 25,000 scale information is available with the survey of India map so that the existing map can be used on a area basis on a village level basis that is a cadastral maps which are there only thing is which we may not have is the plot wise information. If you create a plot wise information then all these things can be integrated and it can be used in a better way. Now what is the activity which you want do is advisories as well as the management issues advisories are sharing the information management issues are nothing but how did I come out of this activities. Now the monitoring systems which we can think about is you can have a satellite images as well as you can have a airborne images so these images they will give you about the surface conditions these surface conditions can be synergized with the plot level so that agriculture growth or the crop growth can be monitored continuously if there is going to be a problem in terms of the growth parameters we should be able to amend and get the maximum yield from that area. For this purpose we may have to it is not only area wise it should not be village wise it should be plot wise all the people the owners of the field the owners of the Mukia of that particular village as well as the regional people all the people need to work together for a food security as well as a crop production increase. This is what we want to say in this lecture is crop yield and crop production it is not that you leave a seed and water it and come out it is not that it is like a baby growth you need a continuous monitoring and if something happens what you should be able to do it this type of information are very essential and it is not only in one place it should be on all levels plant field as well as the village level and all these information suppose if I am the person I collect data if I keep it with me it is of no use to others. So this need to be integrated geo reference what is what do you mean by geo reference geo referencing is nothing but the position of the measurements includes latitude and longitude with reference to the global conditions. So that the global information can be downscaled and it can be used forever in climate change impact assessment thank you.


Quest is a high-tech treasure hunt that the Institute has organized in collaboration with the Arboretum and what people do is they come to the Arboretum, we lend them a GPS unit and then they use that to go around finding hidden boxes of treasure that we've hidden in the Arboretum. So inside those boxes there's lots of fun physics activities for them to try out, things like you know making a paper helicopter or measuring the UV index. Quest is inspired by a hobby called geocaching and geocaching follows a very similar principle where people, someone will hide a box that they call a geocache and then upload the coordinates onto the internet, someone else can then come along, download those coordinates and go and find the cache themselves. So we've taken that idea and just added a bit of physics to it. Yeah it's been going really well, it's brought in a completely different user group to the Arboretum and I think they're really enjoying getting out and about and visiting a site they've not been to before. So I think Quest is a really great way for people to explore the Arboretum and make the connection between physics and the world around us because a lot of people might think you know there's not really much physics involved in trees or nature but there is loads and so we want to show people that physics isn't just about you know people in lab coats, it's actually something that everyone can get involved in. They've all seen to have got something different out of it, they've all learned something different out of it that most people have learned things that new things that they haven't come across before. A lot of people will think perhaps that physics is boring and it's something that they're not interested in but then if they realise that physics kind of relates to everything then how could they possibly not be interested in physics?


Fancy meeting you here. This is our typical opening to my what I eat in a day. Sometimes I'm like oh I won't film in the car but you guys always comment and say that you actually like me being in the dark filming in the car on my way to boot camp so that is exactly what I am doing. It is currently 4.56 a.m. I'm a little later than usual. I saw four minutes before it starts and I'm maybe two minutes away but I am on my way to boot camp. It is Wednesday that I'm filming this video. I this is my last boot camp session before I head to Hawaii so I'm actually pre-filming this what I eat in a day. You guys will see this when you guys see this. I am in Hawaii. I actually flew to Hawaii this last Friday and then I fly home tomorrow. The day you're seeing this Wednesday I fly home on that Thursday. I'm sure I'm having an amazing time. I am very very excited to go. Like I said make sure you follow me over on Instagram and you're in my Facebook group because I will be posting pictures and things of my trip there. I'm not vlogging my trip. I prefer to just be in the moment and my friends don't always want to be on camera. I mean they're usually pretty good about pictures and things but they don't necessarily want to be in a vlog. So I don't vlog it but I do post a lot on Instagram and Facebook. Today I'm really focusing on getting videos edited and uploaded and description boxes filled out so that you guys have content while I'm gone. I'm also going to be figuring out what I'm going to be packing snack wise and food wise to go to Hawaii. So I want to share that with you guys kind of how I navigate the snacks and food that I bring when I travel so that it helps me stay on track.  So I'm very very excited. I'm excited to take you guys along with me today. I also drank a little bit of my protein coffee this morning. I have to have coffee before boot camp or listen I'm not functioning. I don't have the energy to work out so I did have some of my protein coffee. I'll finish that up while I get ready for the day and I will see you guys as usual at breakfast. Well good morning. I promise that you would see me at breakfast and this is technically at breakfast. I am in the car on my way to do my weekly grocery shopping. Troy is going to do a few things with his dad today so I wanted to hurry up and get to the grocery store and get home before he leaves. I am focused on getting him food mainly this week for while I'm in Hawaii and then of course having some things that are on hand and healthy for when I return. I'm pretty good on what I need to bring to Hawaii but I may pick up a few other things. So because I'm on the go this morning and because I didn't have time to actually make breakfast before I needed to head out to the grocery store again I want to get home before Troy leaves for the day. I'm also bringing a few things home for him to take with him today that I'm having breakfast on the go and for me that's going to be a protein bar. Now is a protein bar a solid breakfast? Not really. However I did have a protein coffee this morning so between the protein coffee and the protein bar I feel like that's a pretty solid breakfast and sometimes listen life happens and we have to eat breakfast on the go and today is one of those days. So I'm having my fulfilled chocolate salted caramel bar it is 150 calories 15 grams of protein and then of course I had my protein coffee which gave me another 30 grams of protein. Now I am going to be bulking up snacks and lunch today because like I said this really truly isn't enough food for breakfast but sometimes we just got to do what we got to do. So fulfill bar for breakfast let's get some grocery shopping in and get home. Morning snack time and like I mentioned in the car I just had the protein bar for breakfast so I'm actually getting pretty hungry it's been about in almost two hours since I ate breakfast so I need to up the protein. I need to up the protein and have a little bit bigger more balanced snack so I'm going to do half of a cup of good culture cottage cheese my favorite cottage cheese and then I have some raspberries that I need to eat up before I head out of town so I'm going to weigh those out I'll use up the rest of these raspberries and then I think for crunch I'm going to do half a serving of the pannouf crunch peanut butter puffs I shared these in last Wednesday's what I eat today these are so good I love them and I usually have half of a serving which is half of an ounce or about 14-ish pieces that's only 65 calories and you're going to get three grams of protein so it's a nice crunchy treat they remind me of the Trader Joe's Bombas but these ones actually have protein in them and I think they're better so let me put together my snack so here's my snack I have half of a serving of my little peanut butter puffs I really love these I forgot to mention these are made from navy beans rice and peanuts so a nice clean snack and then my half of a cup of cottage cheese and I had 70 grams of raspberries so I'm in my office and I mentioned earlier that I wanted to do a little organizing of my vanity so what I had previously with my makeup vanity which is this right over here is I had this pencil type of holder where I put all my bottles like my foundation my setting spray my toner my primer all of that in the little container and it just was a little bit cumbersome to get them in there and then if I use something that wasn't a bottle it was hard to organize it and keep it in that space and keep my vanity nice and organized you guys know I love makeup I love skincare I have a lot of it so I decided to organize my vanity just a little bit better and I knew and so I bought this three piece stackable drawer set from the brand Synthes right off of amazon it's a stackable makeup drawer set they're acrylic you can actually use them in any room in your house I love it for my vanity you can put it under your sink use it for skincare in your kitchen your pantry it is three separate drawers that are fully stackable you can stack all three together stack two of them together or put them all singly they're actually made from acrylic they are scratch proof and shatter proof the molded handles slide in and out really easy the drawer actually fully comes out and there's two built-in side rails inside the drawer which keeps it stable when you stack it even when you pull the drawers out it doesn't move you can again use them anywhere in your home but I decided that they would be best served in my vanity so I have the two sitting on my vanity the top and then I have the one that I wanted to use for small eyeshadow palette since I'm out of room and my other little drawer set for eyeshadow palette this is one of the highest quality acrylic drawer sets for really the most affordable price synthis is such a great brand they have some really amazing products and again you can pick the drawer set up right off of amazon I will link it down below for you I am going to make up a coffee I have a coaching call and I feel like I need a pick me up of coffee during that call we've got coffee so you saw that I did the pumpkin I did the pumpkin AF let me actually show you the coffee so this is my cold brew draga pumpkin AF I talk about this a lot this is the only cold brew cold brew for halloween cold brew it's a tongue twister that I can even stand so this is what I use and then I make it in my little glass pitcher off of amazon I'll link these down below for you I actually have a discount for 10 off draga and then I did some cold foam just using heavy whipping cream sugar-free syrup topped it with some pumpkin pie spice and then I used my cliffia farms creamer and this is so good solo calorie so decadent and the cold foam on top I feel like because it's heavy whipping cream and there's some fat in there it keeps me full so I really like having that as an occlusion in my coffee it's all the pumpkin goodness that's made at home way less money so I highly recommend draga highly recommend the glass pitcher off of amazon so I'm going to work on my second coffee of the day during my few coaching calls this morning and I'll see you guys back for lunch are you ready for special bone special bones for special bone they've been good dogs all morning right now we've got the smart bones made with real chicken I buy these off of amazon I think they're the most affordable I'll link them down below for you oh yeah somebody came for their special bone there you go buddy here you go honey bunny good job lola all right so I just warmed up my lunch for the day my bowl's really hot hang on let me get a towel I can't even lift up the bowl because it's so hot but I just warmed up my lunch it is the pumpkin pasta that I made in my meal prep so if you miss my meal prep you guys this is incredible it has walnuts in it has pumpkin which is part of the sauce it has spinach ground turkey it's amazing high protein lots of veggies I used to protein pasta it is absolutely delicious so I'll link my meal prep down below if you guys missed it this was last week's meal prep and since I won't have a meal prep this week that'll be a good recipe for you guys to try out so this is going to be my lunch for today so I'm going to head into the kitchen to pack up my snacks for my trip to Hawaii and I wanted to show you this little set that I bought off of amazon these are packing cubes these were so cheap I want to say the whole set was like $10 and there are so many different sizes I'd actually never use packing cubes this is going to be my first experience with them but I usually overpack and I bring a lot of stuff so I think this is going to be really helpful but there are just a ton of different sizes some of them have mesh bags some of them are more solid there's literally I think just 10 different bags including makeup bags and then a big shoe bag and I think what I'm going to do is utilize one of these bags for packing my snacks I this one I was thinking about this one because it's a drawstring and then I was also thinking let's see I want to keep the bigger packing cubes for clothes so let me see what I have that are kind of odd shaped so there's four kind of odd shaped ones so there's the drawstring bag we have this one which actually zips down the front I feel like this is more of a shoe bag so I might keep that we've got the makeup bag and then another smaller makeup bag these are probably too small for snacks I'm thinking I'm going to utilize the drawstring and then also the zip top because I can put bars and things in here and then some of my bigger snacks in here so let's go into the kitchen and let me show you what I plan on bringing snack wise and why on my trip to Hawaii all right so I'm in the kitchen again I'm using the drawstring and then the little zip top which I think is meant for makeup so typically when I pack for trips I always bring pre-made protein shakes because I have my protein coffee every morning it's how I start my day it's also how I make sure that I get in my protein first thing in the morning I can actually control the protein that I'm having by bringing protein shakes so I'm going to pack enough for my trip I'll need five protein shakes because I won't have time to grab a protein coffee before I go to the airport on Thursday so I'm going to bring protein powder that I'll be able to mix into a coffee to still get in my protein and just utilize the powder instead so I'm going to pack five pre-made protein shakes I'm also going to pack enough protein bars to have one every day because again I can control that is a snack and make sure again I'm getting in my protein and then fill in all the gaps with the rest of my meals and snacks throughout the day so in the drawstring bag is where I'm going to put my protein shakes so I have I always have a million different varieties on hand so I'm bringing out cookies and cream a cinnamon roll a quest salted caramel a premier caramel and a premier pumpkin so I have my five protein shake gear protein I have a misfits bar and then I have a monk pack bar oh this is more of like a granola bar than a protein bar so let me go so I want to make sure that I have a protein bar for Saturday Sunday Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday and then Friday the day I fly down so I actually need seven protein bars so I have seven protein bars one for every day so protein wise I'm going to have a bar and a shake every day those are my two protein supplements and that will again ensure that I'm getting in my protein during the day and then for snacks I like to pack a variety so our plan is the first day that we get there so Saturday morning we're actually taking a snorkeling trip but before we go we're going to hit up a local grocery store so that we can get food so we buy everything we need for breakfast so we can eat breakfast at our hotel it saves money and again we can control our breakfast so I'll be buying a lot of protein packed things like cottage cheese yogurt fruit those are all things that I bought last year food is very expensive in Hawaii so I wanted to bring some snacks that I could not only eat on the plane it's going to be a very very long travel day for me but snacks that I can have throughout the week that I'm in Hawaii so I just don't have to spend as much money at the Hawaiian grocery store so some of the snacks that I'm going to bring are the skinny dipped almonds pumpkin spice I bought those soft juicy mango so I always like to bring a dried fruit or a fruit snack I think I'm even going to bring out a pack of my solely fruit snacks just so that I have the option for a fruit and then I do have one little pack left of the cashews the 100 calorie pack so I'm going to throw that in there I am also going to pack this little pack of peanuts and pistachio so nuts are a really great snack to bring on the plane are really great snack to bring for travel because they don't have to be refrigerated I'm also going to pack a huge handful of my little mini meat sticks from Archer Farm I am going to pack a few of my little chalk x o little chocolate squares these are great for after a meal if you're craving something sweet because they're portion controlled so I'm going to bring a handful of those I always bring some ginger chews with me I usually chew one of the these after a meal which actually really helps with digestion starbursts little singles for my water I'm bringing one clean simple eats protein single serve pack I do have a discount for clean simple eats I'll link it down below for you this is for Thursday when I fly home since I won't have time to get a protein coffee I'll be able to mix this into some hot shots of espresso at the airport and still get in 20 grams of protein and then I'm going to bring my box of I've been saving these for this trip specifically these are the simple mills crackers they're an individual little packet 120 calories a packet and they're pre-portioned out so I've been saving this box for this trip and then I'm also going to bring my simple mills sweet things chocolate brownie again this is just kind of a sweet crunchy snack I thought I'd bring those with me as well and then with the simple mills crackers what I like to bring is these tuna packs it's a great way to get in protein and this is something I eat at the airport a lot for a quick lunch on the go and if we needed a snack or a lunch before a tour that these would come in really handy so I have four pouches left I have a sweet and spicy a tuna with lemon and lime a tuna with lime and basil oh and two sweet and spices so I have four tuna packets left I'm going to bring all of them and what I like to do is have my tuna packets with my simple mills crackers this is a really good way to get in protein and these crackers are made with almond flour so they're low cow low carb they're really delicious so this is a good lunch or protein snack option great for travel and then the last snack I'm going to pack is some freeze-dried fruit so I'm going to pack both of these freeze-dried fruit options as well they're convenient again they don't have to be refrigerated and it's just an easy way for me to get in some fruit so here's everything that I'm packing just kind of an overview it looks like a lot but you have to remember that I'm going to be gone for almost an entire week and I'm all about setting myself up for success so here is everything that's going into my actual suitcase so my simple mills crackers we have the little drawstring bag packed with goodies and then we have the little mini zip top bag this is where I ended up putting my protein bars as well as my dried fruit and then this is what's going in my backpack so this is what will actually be with me on the plane I have about a 12 hour travel day I will be getting lunch most likely on my layover in Vegas I have a five hour layover but I wanted to make sure I had snacks and had a way to get in my protein so I am throwing in a pack of my crackers so that I can eat it with tuna so that'll be a good snack or even a good lunch if I don't find something at the airport I have my solely gummies I have a little chocolate square a couple meat sticks some pistachios a protein bar that will be my second protein supplement I will be having protein coffee in the morning and then I'm going to bring my dried fruit and then my simple mills cracker so all of this is going in to my backpack so those are just some tips some tricks for when I travel just to make sure that I have healthy options on hand and I have a way to breach my protein goal I will tell you most of the time I eat 90% of what I pack so a lot of this will be gone and with having the protein shakes and stuff out of my suitcase I mean this is really heavy that'll allow for some extra room for souvenir so that's another really good way to think about it when you're packing all this stuff is once it's gone while you eat it and drink it throughout your trip you'll have room for some extra souvenir so my snacks for hawaii and the airplane are totally packed so I'm about to get on my third or fourth coaching call for today I have a couple more so I am having a snack and I've been really craving meat cheese and crackers so here's what I'm having I have some pepperoni some light shredded light not light shredded light cheddar cheese and then I have a package of the simple mills almond flour cracker so I'm going to do a whole meat cheese and cracker concoction so I'll go ahead and put the point calories macros here on the screen for you all right it's the end of the night I'm going to go wash my face do my skincare put my pajamas on and have some dessert I'm keeping it simple tonight I was really craving popcorn so I almost did my lesser evil popcorn and then I realized I was out of my favorite one which is Himalayan salt and we do have the butter one but I'm going to save that for Tori especially while I'm gone so instead I'm going to do this this is the just air like air like air cinnamon bun popcorn it reminds me a pirate's booty that same kind of texture and also like a puffed Cheeto and the cinnamon bun is so good it literally tastes like a cinnamon roll I love it I love it it's a hundred calories per bag it's the perfect dessert love that it's proportioned as well I would have taken some of these to Hawaii with me but I feel like I have plenty of snacks packed and I'll just keep these for home because I do tend to eat these a lot for dessert so that is my final little meal of the day thank you for joining me for today's What I Eat in a Day on WW I hope you enjoyed spending the day with me seeing what I pack when I travel to stay on track don't forget about the stackable organizing drawers I love them I'm thinking actually that I may pick up one more set they're just really nice that you can stack them or use them individually and off of Amazon it's so convenient so I'll link everything I shared with you in today's video down below as well as nutrition coaching links and discounts to my favorite things and come join my Facebook group and follow me on Instagram so you can come along with me to Hawaii I hope you're having an amazing week and I'll see you in the next one bye