Welcome to the town of Arlington board of selection meeting for Monday, September 9th years 2013 I want to remind everybody that this meeting is being recorded and it is going out live But a technical note came from ACMI that this will not be available for rebroadcast Rebroadcast it will only be available using their on-demand feature because of a technical problem But it is going out live right now I'd like to open I'll talk it's a sad note a former member of the board of selectmen passed away Robert Murray who served the town from 76 to 87 on this board He was a champion of affordable housing before my time and I would appreciate a moment of silence in his memory Thank you Also tonight, I'd like to note that this is Juliana Rice's last meeting with us and so I know I'm sure we'll get a chance to talk about this later in a new business But at the same time I will say upfront Valued your council and you've made me a better select one by being able to give me advice and I'm gonna. I'm gonna miss you a lot Finally something good to talk about town day September 21st Mr. Murray Cropelica informs me we have 340 vendors signed up tables up to 240 see that's what I get you just wiped out the waiting list And so September 21st make sure you check the tab of the website, you know of course fireworks dogs Booths the night before all that stuff and Murray will be talking about that more later on okay on To the agenda number one under is the consent agenda We were the minutes of meetings for August 19th 2013 And I note that we have on our desk a revised minutes and we're gonna be voting on the revised minutes That it were that are loose on your desk right now. We have a request for a contractor drain and layer license for Tufts Incorporated Request for two different one-day beer and wine licenses on 920 and 921 for the Arlington High School 50th reunion We have reappointments to the Arlington Preservation Fund of Clark Griffith Patrick Guthrie Albert Stevens to expire in 2014 and Andrew Fisher Amy Slade to expire on February of 2016 Carol Kowalski and John Warden to expire on July 2016 we have a reappointment to the registrar of the board of voter Excuse me board of registrar of voters Florence McGee and we have an approval for the St. Agnes School 125th anniversary fun walk run on September 28th. Is there anyone here who wanted to talk about any of those events? Go the approval second and just One note, I just want to be clear that it's my understanding under one seat the request for the two days that for 920 no the 921 event that there will be a police detail from six to ten But not on the Friday night one Okay, and and they're aware of that and that's okay That was recommended by the police department because they'll be going across Mass Ave The events at the wit Robbins Whittemore is not that much crossing. Okay. Thank you safety and well So we have a motion from mr. Greeley and a second from mrs. Mahan any further discussion all the favor, please say aye Next up request support Robbins farm dog statue project really check it is the dog leashed or unleashed No comment Thank you, mr. Chairman members of the board. It's nice to see you again This little a project of ours has been going on since its last January I Gave you some material ahead of time. Hope you got it. Yep We had and our annual meeting in January invited Bill Armstrong Armstrong ambulance The guest speaker turns out the bill lived over on Highland app so he grew up on Robbins farm When farmer Robbins was there he remembers farmer Robbins milking the cow Helen climbing the apple trees and sitting on the dog and one of the pictures that you have their shows of the dog that was installed probably in the 18 80s or so we're not we're not a hundred percent sure it was a cast iron dog and it was sat outside facing east We we think suspect we suspect anyway that mrs. Robbins really wanted that dog to be a guide dog Apparently it worked but Sadly when the house was demolished it was a beautiful house as you can see in that picture The dog disappeared We subsequently found out that perhaps the dog Went at the same time that the house was demolished We're not a hundred percent sure about that There's no real records. We have a record that shows on the house of demolition in the early 50s, but You know there's nothing about the dog, but There was an article published in the globe by Brock Parker about this whole project And that we were looking for the dog statue A few days later. I got a telephone call follow from Called and said I remember sitting on this dog, you know, yeah, that's wonderful. We have a number of people He said yeah, but I was doing it when the dog was in summer go So we suspect we're not sure but we think It went with the demolition contractor and it ended up in that backyard down there in Somerville So I said to him where's the dog now? He's Unfortunately has gone my mother's house is demolition. They have built an apartment house So that particular dog was gone. So we went then looking to find a copy Of the dog and what we were able to find and you'll see a picture I gave you there Is one in Houston, Texas Now we did look at four or five different dogs In fact, we looked at more than that But we wanted a dog that looked pretty much exactly the same as the one that was up there big enough for the kids to sit on And so forth and this particular dog Met those requirements we think we think the original dog Was done by a fellow named hoppins back in 1850 or so who Wanted to commemorate his dog Who woke up the family when the house was on fire? And so he made this dog and that dog stayed in Providence and the substance would have been relocated to the Roger Williams Zoo We contacted those folks, but had not we heard back from them. The reason we were looking for a dog that was already Existing meant that we could have a copy made rather than start from scratch So it saves some money and so we've been able to work cooperatively with a An artist in houston In cooperation with The people from the historic society they own the house Which is where the dog there are two dogs one faces left one faces right on both sides of the front sidewalk And we were able to negotiate to have The left facing dog Copied for us and then shipped up here in bronze Not cast iron Bronze is a much more durable material. I mean there's been bronze statues around since Who knows thousands of years and they hold up And so yes, the one we're going to have done is in bronze and the picture that you see here is That one I had one I had one call picture. I'll just pass it around so you can have a chance to See what what the bronze looks like Okay we're about 75 percent Along on the project we've already gone to the park and rec commission and made a presentation They gave us to go ahead to pursue this project There were some questions obviously that needed to be resolved not the least of which is where to put the dog There were several locations potentials and we haven't got that really decided yet So we're you know, we're coming along We are privately funded we found someone who was willing to help us out So there's no cost to the town other than Depending on the location We may have to ask the dpw to borrow a blob of concrete Somewhere up there to put the dog on other than that The cost is ours. We'll get it down and then we'll present it to the town and we think We think that the dog represents A commemorative feel Feeling for what mr. Robbins was really doing he had this wonderful Farm up there for many many years love kids Love kids and wanted to make sure that that Property went to the town sold it to the town for 33,000 dollars, which sounds like It might have been a lot of money in I don't know 1948 or nine or something Dropping the bucket compared to what it's worth now So it was really wonderful for him to do that and so that's really what we're doing here Our game plan is to come up with something to commemorate mr. Robbins and the farm itself So there you have it and so what you're looking for is our general approval Yeah, we'd just like to have your support primarily No, that's right. I was going to move love and receipt No, just want to move In approval of support and I probably why left-facing Because you put the dog this way it'll match what was there Yeah, I see the dog faced east towards the city But that's what we asked for This is my heart two things one I know you're contemplating the second one you may be and I'm not sure My preference would be and not being Silly or sarcastic for the tail not to be up like that Just for safety issues as well as somebody gets a little rambunctious A little controversial, but I agree with you Diane But I know this debate amongst the we ran into this same argument with pock and wreck right and so My personal solution make it a stub Yeah, yeah, but I know there's no handle being discussed. So I was really very concerned about the fact that that tail is pointed I don't want some kid putting his eye out and so I'm saying for safety as well as it's too You know someone wants to prove how strong they are So hopefully when we finish on the installation Around the dog on the base will be a six inches of wood chips So the kids fall over And then I don't know if you can incorporate this but I know Through our economic tourism development committee as well as some of the developers in the town I know sims 360 has done it with their memorial pock Um, and the chairman's going to have to help me with this Where they have statues and plaques and things like that. They have that Little square thing that if you have like an iphone or something it tells you a store. What's it called? What is it qr code qr code if you might want to explore that if there's a place that It can go there and it can explain the history of the dog that it's a replica, but it was Well, we are going to do a plaque right, but you can do you want to put the I didn't know you could do there Is that true? Someone want to explain it more. That's a great idea. Yeah, can someone explain it more often than I I think you've got it. I mean you point your phone at it and your phone detects What it is that it's qr code and takes you to a web page that has more information you can fit on a plaque And it looks like a black like warshack Thing or something I don't get when you ride the team That's really a good point because when we got some talking about a plaque The follow that I was talking to was a skylight studio is over in woven. It does these he said be a little careful It gets very expensive. They charge you by the letter. Yeah, the letter so it can be pretty costly Yeah, this thing is a little bit bigger than a postage stand. Thank you Further conversations Thing is good idea So we have a motion I think we'll take that one from mrs. Mahan because she started first seconded by mr. Greeley I do love the idea all those in favor Please say hi Five zero. Thank you. Thanks. We'll keep you posted. Next one. Thank you Okay, next up introduction of newly appointed zoning board of appeals member christian Klein so Last Meeting we appointed mr. Klein because there is pressing time Ordinarily we interviewed them as a board before we do the appointment, but in this case We did the order. We took it out of order. Thank you for coming Uh, can you tell us a little bit about why you're interested in the the board and what you bring to it? Sure. My name is christian Klein I'm a newport street resident here in arlington I'm a town meeting member a short-term member of the zoning bylaw review committee And I've been basically just looking for different ways to uh to help serve the town I served with roley on the friends of robbins farm park board And this opportunity arose. Uh, there were several spaces available. Um, I had the chance to talk with joe curow at a party for the aca and he recommended that this might be something I would consider and I appreciate, um Your faith in me having uh, essentially voted for me without having met me first. So thank you And you're an architect. Yes, I'm a practicing architect here in massachusetts Questions Approval and just one I also want to say work with mr. Klein christian on he's been very active in getting involved in allington politics When we sort of piggybacked on bill berkowitz's idea about having a precinct town meeting member review night um, which was really a good success for our first kickoff and um, You definitely were dedicated to that and made that event as successful as possible So this is yet another offshoot and I want to thank you for coming forward to do this That's caro. I just note that by virtue of being on the board of the friends of robbins farm park that mr. Klein is also a Recent selectman's honor awards recipient, so We're glad to see you stepping up for yet another. You got a hat trick going now. Here we go. Good year That's really yeah, I was thanking for the service you've already ready provided and so much for your willingness to do this Don't hate us after your first like Have you had your first meeting yet? No, the first hearing is done the 24th. Nice All right, so we have a motion I think to yeah to approve to approve the route to redundant But why not all those in favor? Please say aye. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you Okay, uh, next up would be the arlington cultural council, but that application has been withdrawn So I'm going to move on to number five, which is the approval of the interagency agreement with the police department I saw chief ryan Welcome Chairman honorable members of the board Chaplain this This agenda item is seeking your approval of an interagency Mutual aid agreement pursuant to chap the 40 section h g of the massachusetts general laws Back in 1998 Arlington town meeting adopted Chapter 48 g and we do have some more narrowly focused mutual aid agreements in place That rely on h e This one is wider in scope in that The goal is to have every law enforcement agency in middle six county enter into a similar agreement So that would be county-wide jurisdiction For all police officers who are on duty within the county and there are several reasons for that Back about 20 years ago Under a an sjc decision known as a calm wealth versus leblanc The sjc ruled that a police officer had to have an arrestable offense in his or her own jurisdiction Before they could follow the violator outside of their jurisdiction That rendered many intersections unenforceable for regular civil infractions River street at the medford line By the time somebody runs a red light by the time we get them stopped there in medford We can't enforce the the traffic signal park av at the belmont line same situation But moving fast forwarding to the recent terrorist attacks in boston We had officers deployed in boston and water town and i have no idea whether they had jurisdiction or not And you could argue that they didn't and so as a result of Of the recent tragic events combined with the day-to-day operational challenges That that decision presented to us I was tasked with chairing a committee of police chiefs I didn't know what the heck i was doing so i went to juliana and saw her advice and she Stepped up and completed a very difficult task and made me look intelligent And we put together this mo u. It's gone out countywide City councils and and boards of selectmen throughout the county are being asked for Approval as you are tonight And i would just point out one last point of information and that is That the police chiefs have gone to the legislature every year for the past 20 years And sought relief legislative relief And in fact right in the leblanc decision the sjc decision the sjc points out Is a very easy legislative fix to this problem And the legislature has failed us every single year it at implementing A solution to this problem And i'm not going to speak for for them and why they haven't stepped up, but not it. That's just a fact And um More recently the sjc took up a case up in northern esssex county Known as the Bartlett I forgot which jurisdiction it was carmel versus Bartlett and And they made a decision based on one of these mo u is very similar to what you have before you And ruled that they are in fact lawful and enforceable. So with all of that. I respectfully ask that you Authorize excuse me. Tom manager adam chaplain do go ahead and execute the agreement That's really more of approval Support or do you need more than that? That you know, we need your authorization for the manager to sign it under hg Second Discussion Joe has questions. Oh, i'm sorry. Thank you. Thank you chief for this I have to admit like as I often do on board weeks I was reviewing my packet really late after a Sunday night after a long weekend. Did that put you to sleep there? No, no, it woke me up as I I misread the phrase extraterritorial police authorities extraterrestrial police authorities. Whoa We're good, but we're not that good They're not that far That woke me up I just had two questions. I was just wondering I I know that a lot of times with details We have to rely on Other jurisdictions to send their officers over to cover details. Do they currently have this this type of? Yeah, that's actually a great question so right now we have a similar agreement more narrowly Defining our officers authority and only contiguous jurisdictions for details only This would enable all on-duty arlington police officers To cross over town borders for law enforcement for legitimate and lawful law enforcement purposes Thank you. The other question I had is um If an officer from one jurisdiction, uh, it goes goes to a neighboring jurisdiction and is activated or self activated Are they only authorized to enforce state and federal laws or also the the local laws of the jurisdiction that they're It would give them full full police authority. I should point out And you reminded me that we also drafted a model policy statement that will be issued by the chiefs of police and all the respective jurisdictions that really You know ensures the civil rights of all violators are being upheld and and all the traditional policy type statements you would expect from me From a chief of police But it would it would give them full authority Great. Thank you very much. Thank you for the work on this. Mrs. Bahana. Thank you chief. Good to see you I was going to call you today and things just got away from me. So I apologize. So very brief answers are definitely appropriate If I need more follow-up. Um The terms of agreement it says that it's going to be maintained by the secretary of the middle sex chief Of chiefs of police association or his or her designee. Do we know number one who that person is and or Is it going to be his or her her designee and then I have a piggyback question to that Currently the elected secretary of the middle sex chiefs is chief robert bonjono. You may recall that name Sounds familiar. Okay. Um, and uh He will be the keeper of the records. Yeah, we will also uh once all these agreements are executed We'll put them on file at all the uh district courts juvenile courts And the middle sex da's office as well Okay, and then the next question applies to this as well as the actual mou itself in terms of Who oversees the agreement chief bonjono? Is that a term? Every three years it comes up every five years or is it just ad infinitum? And the same thing with this actual mou. It's just going to be In perpetuity or is there some sort of thing where you all police chief's association sits down and does Right the mou is um effective Uh unless it's rescinded As indicated in the agreement by any of the parties And the secretary's term is two years, I believe in the middle sex chiefs of police And then under the notification 605 notification to receiving party of exercise of police powers. This is just because I can't see it in my head Um at the end where it says that to ensure that the police officer has properly recorded all the facts circumstances of the arrest biographical data Am I to understand that that the arresting officer? compiles all this information and then somebody else Either real time or peer review Looks into that like i'm just trying to see how that plays out in my head because i've never been a police officer So for example lexington police officer follows A suspect in arlington Conducts an investigation and makes an arrest The on-duty shift commander in arlington Has the authority to Get all of that booking data as we call it Before lexington takes the detainee back to lexington and you know, these are operational decisions and and Issues that occur in the field. I want to clear on my head because sometimes not with arlington or any of our Surrounding communities, but sometimes there's sort of a even though there's an agreement a territorial issue And if it's definitely clarified, I just wanted to know what that process was and then my I understand it's not necessarily the board of select men signing this we're going to authorize the town manager You don't need our signatures or just the chairs No, we need a vote of the board Okay, and then a signature and then my last question It isn't really I don't think It's probably just implied under the contract, but I want to check you have liability and indemnification My question would be if one of our officers responds And for some reason suffers a medical injury Who covers that is that's just regular your employee by us They're be covered by us no different than prela blank. Okay that question has come up a lot and my answer has been You know the same as it was before the black was was enacted the the employing agency Assumes responsibility for its employees, you know, I'd point out There was an incident really that motivated me before water town on this and how I got appointed to the committee We had a report of a a domestic down a boulevard road several 911 calls A couple had pulled off of the parkway in a motor vehicle And had gotten in a violent domestic altercation and there was an infant in that in that automobile And the victim was thrown out of her car and the perpetrator fled the scene in the car with the infant In a violent enraged state Um, we dispatched officers one of the officers came down a route two into l wife And literally saw the guy drive by with the infant And called his supervisor and said I see the car sides. What do you want me to do? So as I sat and listened to that that radio activity I realized that I was really failing our officers and not giving them the tools they need to do their job Because that sergeant was left with with two bad decisions One stop it To make sure the baby is safe and everybody's safe And lose the criminal case Or two don't stop it And wait until we can get camera to stop it and put the put the child in harm's way So, you know, as I sat back, I said, you know, I'm I'm failing our I know the legislature's failed me But I'm failing my officers by not and the reason this hasn't been done frankly is because it's it's it's a heck of a lot of work And somebody had a you know, finally after 20 years somebody had to take the bull And so our committee has done that and we're doing the work town by town and city by city So, uh, it's really giving our officers the tools they need to ensure a public safety, you know, it's it's very closely monitored by policy I understand the political tug of war and it is a simple fix But then you all I want to thank you in the middle sex chiefs of police association for all this Extra work on this and once again, I'm proud to say our police chief Is involved and I would say 75 of the questions that I asked you it really is just the court reporter in me They just want to be able to say and it was discussed, you know, I'm anticipating possible future not in allington So thank you very much, but you know, as I said juliana Thank you. There was the accolade Kevin so Thanks chief excellent work as always What if one community doesn't have as enlightened a board of selectiveness this one and support this What if what if a board of selectments says no or a mayor says no Then that then that jurisdiction will simply not be um a party to this agreement And that that's a likely possibility Although I will say that this is getting some legs statewide I know the statewide organization of mass chiefs have Have looked at this model and others and So I mean it's it's it's a cumbersome and difficult solution to the problem we recognize that having 251 cities and towns, you know entering into ag agreements But if our legislature is is is not concerned about situations such as water town And and officers not having proper jurisdiction and then we just need to Do the difficult work and I think framing him just voted then Yeah, we have about 20. I believe cities and towns that have Already acted on this and now we're going to be my second question. Are there other jurisdictions That have such an agreement already there are I mentioned the northern s6 county Bartlett decision So there were four communities that apparently share some sort of common retail area And they they entered into one of these ag agreements Um A while back and an officer Was in a neighboring jurisdiction witnessed a drunk driver driving very dangerously stopped the car and the sjc upheld the case We uh, we as the board and with adams Leadership looked at Always went to continue to look at regionalization opportunities And this is a formalization of such a thing, which is awesome. Thank you Thank you, sir. Steve. No, I just want to thank you as well chief and I just to piggyback off of kevin that We did have a regionalization forum last year and this is the um, you know direction I think all towns will be moving to You know going forward and are looking at how to kind of tackle big issues with each other's help And I really appreciate of the you, you know As you said grab the bull by the horn and uh took this one To the plate for us Chief I've got I guess two questions as well. Um First is so not at all police departments are created equal if there's someone if they're we have a Issue with um another officer in our linkedin Um, like if you know if someone complains to me, I know who to talk to right if someone do we know who to talk to Is there anything yes the policy Uh that goes along with the mo you that you that you don't have to vote on Leaves the employing agency to investigate any complaints against any police officers acting outside of the jurisdiction But it doesn't disempower us from Okay, participating in and assisting in those investigations Okay, um my second question is so this does this get boston involved at all or is this that's still just that's another Yeah, I mean there's stuff accounting right now the goal is to get all the middle six county agencies Signed on board the other issue here is you know crime is very different than it used to be We just talked about holding your iphone up to a dog and getting a web page, you know The electronic I want to see that by the way The anatomy of a dog on the web right but um, you know, so some of the electronic crime Criminal investigations that we're we're handling now bank fraud cases bad checks Cyber threats bullying a lot of these have Multi-jurisdictional elements to them and we're always hindered By who's who owns this well now if it's a middle six county packed You know, we can have criminal investigations across jurisdictions that Provide services to victims that weren't otherwise being provided There's nothing worse than having a victim come into the lobby With a terrible tragic story and say, oh, you know, you got that text while you're in cambridge Oh, you got to go tell the story again in cambridge, you know So there there are other value added benefits while those are not the primary intent of this mo you There are other value added benefits to the mo you that will Empower our staff to better serve our citizens Okay, thank you. Is there any further comments or discussion Ready for a vote. All those in favor, please say hi Hi Opposed hearing none five zero. Thank you very much. Thank you chief. Thank you again to juliana. Thank you chief Okay, next up uh Common victual error And wine and malt license to transfer christopher risa jj su and family to doing business as thai isarn cuisine The former tom young koon Hi, could you introduce yourself and honorable members of the board? Um, i'm chris for is i'm the president of the uh company jj su and family going to be um thai isarn cuisine are doing business as name And we're applying for a common victual error and wine and malt license transfer from the business formerly known as tom young koon Um, we've done some done even though not recommended or required. We've done trips uh tips trainings from for um serving liquor my uh my wife joy the treasurer vice president of the company and myself and um We've done the plan review process and we're just about ready to go This really are you sure she shouldn't be the president? I'm just wondering Uh, thank you very much. Probably a better public speaker than me, but Thank you very much for choosing arlington move approval subject to all conditions as said for second All right, we have second questions comment steve. Well, I did have one more question Samples did you bring samples? Not yet. No. Yeah, good answer Steve I want to thank you for providing the alcohol serving plan. Um, that's not something we see all the time In these applications and we just dealt with this, you know, over the past two meetings We had actually and I think these are that's you know, a proactive step in providing that to us um, I was wondering If you talk a little bit about the log book that you plan to have on premises Yes, and not the type of incidents you'll be putting into it. That was um, also in the tips training I thought was a good idea to implement that if something god forbid ever was to occur Can you give an example of what that? Um, yeah, it's basically um, it's a You basically like log like who the employee was who was working what the date the incident occurred and the description of the incident so if police ever need to be called or anything is a kind of a Step-by-step thing of what an explanation of what occurred Cool. Thank you. Yes, absolutely Other questions, um, I do have one to pick you back on Steve I was just I also I was glad to see that in here I was wondering if you had any thought to to actually Placing very prominently what your policy is as far as I being patron to the the patrons actually see Yeah, I was looking into um, I also work at a um a drugstore in paved air work CVS pharmacy And we have the um under 27 week hard Usually used for tobacco, but I'm looking into maybe getting a signage of something for alcohol But yeah, great. Thank you. Ms. Amon Um, piggyback and one no, I think many many years ago when I worked at ABCC The logbook is it correct? Like say you have an unruly patron and you have to shut him or her off Right, that's the kind of thing that you would document in there Especially if something came forth from that and you did have to involve outside police or other involvement You've covered that In terms of you know making sure you adhere to the don't serve anyone under 21 caught him if they're 31 or younger That's a sort of different kind of Okay, and then the only other thing I if you know and if you don't that's fine Are you going to be using the same trash waste removal company as the previous owner? We currently are yes Okay, I just want to make sure I mean it's just the apartments above a mess out that have people I just want to make sure they're aware Someone came in last week that had somebody brand new and I just don't want to I'm trying to stop the neighbors calling me Which they should call any one of us at 5 30 if they want and they do they just supplied me with a very alarming bill I didn't know I had to pay the following month also So I kind of just had a little bit of a wake up on that. So yes, my dad would say they get you Okay, thank you very much and good luck. Thank you So I wanted to You got a bunch of different questions and compliments on some of the stuff that you're doing on the alcohol policy I just wanted to Tell you I don't know you you probably don't come or watch every selectman's meeting and which is and you shouldn't There's no need to but we had A year ago. We had three restaurants that failed the alcohol inspection in this past year We had six and if you look at the people who failed there's often a pattern of They don't have a good system for hiring and training and maintaining and like retraining reminding new employees So I really encourage you to Think about that and figure out what system you can build That's not because I know you're doing a million things trying to launch your restaurant And I wish you the best of luck and I want you to be very successful Other things are in walking distance to my home and so And I so and I enjoy Thai food But I don't also don't you know We had like in concluding one of the restaurants are right across the street from you They opened and then four months later. They were here for all the wrong reasons So I just want you to I know you're busy and I know you're stressed out And I know there's a lot of things but build a system that's going to last you for many years So you don't run into any difficulties Okay Any further discussion any of the neighbors who want to hear who want to speak? All right, all those in favor Please say aye All those opposed Five zero. Thank you. Good luck. Thank you. Good luck Next up request common victual and all alcohol license new public entertainment outside seating and cafe permit Bob a Gwyn log lc by doing business as common ground of Arlington Mr. Leone Welcome Tonight Pops 45 here and his wife lorry want to open a new restaurant in Arlington at the abandoned gem site Is We're here for five different permits tonight the common victual or the all alcohol public entertainment awning and the outside seating and patio I think in your packages you've gotten pictures of the inside and the outside of the building I brought one here so they can see out in tv land. I'm sorry. Do you said five? But I only what's the fifth? It's victual or victual or all alcohol public entertainment and awning And patio seating we didn't advertise awning Or at least it's not on my agenda So juliana, do you mind contemplating that issue? But I'm going to have him keep going Sorry He wants to Abilitate the abandoned gem a site with 196 seat restaurant The front will be 106 seats for day-to-day service and in the back He's going to have 90 seats for an event function hall which will only be used for events and functions It won't ever be used for Day-to-day overflow seating for the front of the restaurant. You all should have this plan um, I gave Mary in one the other day showing The outside seating of 28, which is the outside patio seating The main area and the rear area That is his basic layout. That's what he's going to be going with Also, you'll notice on the plan the two spots designated amd a would be where the inside Sunday jazz brunch type Entertainment would be in in the back is where he would have the function hall entertainment. That's for the public entertainment The space is you just five thousand two hundred and sixty six Square feet He's going to occupy the entire space land As the air be required it was 57 parking places. We found all 57 within the legal perimeter The thousand square feet of the restaurant and he actually picked up two extra spaces In the back as part of his lease to put um employee cars or his own vehicle so they're not taken up town on public spaces Mr. O'grin believes this is the island center is essential It's the perfect place for this kind of restaurant. He wants a gastro pub. What's the gastro pub good food craft beer good drinks at a reasonable family friendly price He's been running a calming ground in awesom for a couple years couple of years in that time He's gotten 22 different awards for his foods He's not just a Burger joint going to come in it's it's good food. He's he's proud of his food. That's one of his main focuses What is important To note is what he is not going to be I don't know if you guys read the patch or any of these other internet blogs You've heard all sorts of crazy things. They've been portraying him as a college bar Beer hall a drinking bar. It's none of these He's not going to have a loud music in the front. He's not going to have Drinking games in the front.  He's not going to have any amplified music So he's not going to have sound coming out the front of the place Magically going down Broadway and turning down the residential streets to bother people It's going to be unamplified just the normal background music. So i'm not sure how He would be bothering any of the neighbors as we've discussed with the ARB And I gave you the mitigation plan. We submitted to them He's taking great pains and steps to not bother the neighbors To the extent that he's even going to provide the neighbors with contact information So if they have a problem with his place with the sound they'll be able to call him directly He doesn't want to have A crazy drinking place. That's not what he's after Um This would be a desirable for Arlington. It's a Kind of, you know, more or less. It's a dead space in the center That gem of space has been abandoned for a while even when it wasn't it wasn't fully utilized He wants to bring a vibrant cafe type atmosphere. Hence the outside seating Operable front windows so you can open it up that people walking by can see in they can become part of the Atmosphere of the restaurant and become part of the Center itself I understand mr. Curl that there are maybe some plans to redo that And you might be on a board for part of that group. Oh, no, that was um I was just checking with mr. Currow. Oh, he's the only select man I checked with that there was um a group of merchants down there that have Combined and initially this summer they were talking about having events every friday night And they ended up just doing the block potty. That's it. Bob wants to join in that group and he actually would like to Do any upgrades with the town's permission and and input to upgrade that Broadway plaza area to enhance it and to bring life to that section of the center, which is sort of dead his Function room in the back He's never going to have a live band back there with ticket sales. That's been proposed I understand on some of the websites that he's going to be running rock and roll shows back there It's not going to happen It's going to be for me or you to rent out have our family friends business meetings can go on in there That's sort of events not Rock and roll shows or anything of that nature In the front, he's going to have a tour two to three piece one two three piece jazz band on sunday for his brunches That's what all he's really and bought envisioning for the front Um, like I said, no amplified music in the front. There'll be no speakers outside. It'll just be a Open the air down cafe place It's ours operation. He wants to just do 11 a.m. Monday through Friday to midnight Saturday and sunday 10 a.m. To midnight line midnight Nothing else is open till midnight. Um the kind of pub that he's envisioning Would it lead itself to that kind of a crowd? It also has the Owner of the region theater said he would welcome that Because when his shows get out often his client his patrons have nowhere to go It'd be perfect the two of them would blend together So he would have That kind of a crowd coming in would also give people some way to go after a show What we basically have here is a great applicant with a proven track record He's incident-free with the abcc and the city of boston Um, he owns and operates common ground in in um, allston has had no instances there at all We've worked really hard with the arb. We had two meetings one of them with three hours long The other one was two hours the first one at least um, we were working with Mike mr. Burns the city inspector building Come up with plans for the whole entire building in the back entrances everything He's got a sound plan for building for parking the sound the commuting of his employees and the cooking exhaust Ventilation we've worked out a plan for that What I have provided you with also is a 10-point alcohol service policy We took the initiative and did that and provided that you just to be upfront that this is what he's going to do And in that you'll see that all of his employees are going to have tips training He'll do that as mandatory All of the employees are going to have to sign off on that policy so they understand it And he has his own rule of thumb in there if they don't look as old as your parents card them It's kind of a good rule of thumb because most people age 21 the appearance should look like me Oh I saw that So I have to approve all five of bob's license if one of them's not properly advertised we'll do that one later on down the road If you have any questions or bob wants to say anything Oh, here's a picture of the outside. I don't know if you saw that The only difference is we have up lighting here. It's going to be down lighting So it will be a aluminum sign here black awning and he's going to redo the front over here. So it's wood with The accordion style windows. It's also showing what the outside seating would look like If that is granted by the board. I don't know if you want to take a peek at that Thank you, john I just want to say that um I coming into this community. Hopefully as an asset Uh, my mentor jerry quinn who I worked with for 20 years It taught me that if you work in a community and you make money out of the community You need to get back to the community and I believe that hold hardly and 100 percent and when I come in I expect to try making it as attractive as possible for the whole community and for everybody to be proud to actually bring the family and visitors to And that's basically and just so you know the food is awesome. I have a chef from columbia He's really good with his meats and smoking and We lay again. It's unbelievable He likes duck Who's up first? Do you want to do public input first? So you want um, I'm happy if anyone does anyone want to jump in with any questions Or should we go to public input? Can I just do one just for clarification because I don't want to have the discussion if it's a moot point I had gotten a few emails and a couple of phone calls about Not the outside seating but serving alcohol on the outside seating Are you still asking for that? Because the reason I say that is I did ask town council julie and a rice On that and I don't know if you want to Provide a brief explanation that you gave me Yep, currently the board's liquor policy with respect to restaurants allows outside service of alcoholic beverages But only a privately owned property and that was an amendment that the board made uh, in september of 2012 Okay, but I don't know you may have withdrawn that request for that reason I'll I'll discuss with paul during okay, but that's it. I just wanted to so it is something to be discussed Okay, uh, then are any questions or okay. I think I actually have one Oh, yep, general point to clarification to two One question Paper here. Um, you you did state in your mitigation plan that there are no plans for the karaoke anymore Um, first of all, I never advocated at karaoke. Okay The reason why I think it was advocated or someone brought it up is because our place in austin has karaoke nights Again, it's the market couldn't call for that What I said was if you someone privately books the back room and wants to bring a karaoke in for their 50th anniversary for their birthday party. I'm not objecting to it That's up to them But I am not advocating to have a karaoke night The reason I ask is is because on the public entertainment license There's the map and there's a handwritten note that says jazz duo trio and karaoke. It's in the front. It's in the front That map is um, I gave a new one to we have the end the other day that eliminated that karaoke in the front of the hall Yeah, the karaoke is only Supposed to be for the back if someone books the room for and they want to bring karaoke in I'm not having karaoke up front. And also I'm wondering are you looking for the same hours on the on the um Sidewalk cafe is for the rest of the restaurant I actually have not thought about that because I makes an assumption that after 9 o'clock 10 o'clock most people wouldn't want to sit out in the patio I I assumed that it would be closed down because Share volume in general, but I I honestly didn't think about that. Okay That's all I had did I just okay All right, so then why don't you two gentlemen either step aside or take a seat or whatever And so I I'm guessing we have people who are here who who are neighbors or other residents who want to talk about the issue Is there anyone here who wants to speak come on up? So what I'll ask is that you address any questions or comments to the board And if there's a question that goes back to them, I'll be happy to relay it And if you could start by saying who you are and where you live welcome. Thank you for coming Yeah, mr. Chairman. My name is bob bob myrack, and I'm the managing partner of the legacy apartments Which are just about 200 feet across the street on on mass avenue And the apartments are comprised about 70 percent of them of elderly on the one hand and young families on the other At the redevelopment board hearing of july 19th I presented the board a petition signed by over 80 tenants Of ours who were in excuse me in opposition to the common ground proposal I should point out that in the board's decision No reference was made to that submission Of these these numbers of the names. I assumed that was an oversight on the board's part But I'd like to put it on the record if I could thank you More important than that that oversight I see by the boards that is to say redevelopment boards decision That's some state some steps important steps have been taken to mitigate some of our concerns and I appreciate that very much I do have a couple of questions though first about the hours of operation Now the redevelopment board with no discussion of operating hours Has sanctioned the closing of 12 midnight seven days a week. Let me repeat 12 midnight seven days a week Now no other restaurant in or near the center Operates with such hours Rather every restaurant in our length and center closes at 10 o'clock during the week and 11 o'clock on the weekends Now a common ground is Essentially a restaurant when I believe their representations What justification is there for these midnight closings? And will all the other center of restaurants be allowed to operate until midnight because you're obviously setting a precedent The only exception as I understand is the monotomy grill Which is the monotomy pub which is on the Cambridge line as you know, but that is not in a residential district at all So that's one issue namely the hours of operation Secondly noise abatement Now we thank the redevelopment board for requiring that the function room be soundproofed and as these gentlemen have said and I believe them but since uh And it's going to be soundproof because private parties can use that and they're going to bring their own amplification system And moreover, we're pleased by special condition 4b which states and I quote no amplified music With the exception of standard restaurant background music will be provided in the front main restaurant room That raises a question. I don't want to sound like a Philadelphia lawyer on this But I just wanted some clarification can private individuals Who come and like this? orchestra or the three-piece band that they're going to have On sunday morning, which is fine by us Will they bring in their own amplifiers in the front? We know that the company itself will not put any amplifiers there Do you want me to pause you right there and get that answer or do you want to keep going? Well, I have a couple of other questions. Okay, if that's all right, it's perfectly fine if you prefer So so the question is can the private individuals use amplifiers in the front room? secondly there's a comment under the edr number 11 of the board it states acoustic performers May be featured by the applicant in the dining room I don't know what an acoustic performer is and I wondered if since you You're the board that issues the entertainment license. You've had experience with this Perhaps the gentleman can explain to us so that we can have that in writing of what an acoustic performer is My third concern is parking as you know this raised a substantial concern at the board's hearing A parking study was proposed The petitioner was then asked to provide his own study The end result was reliance on a previous parking study, which the board accepted No wonder the one board member concluded that the issue of parking was no more than an educated guess And it really is a problem. But I believe the other people here will speak about the parking Mr. Chairman board members We're unhappy about the empty storefronts in Arlington center and we're encouraged that the owners here Have sought to mitigate their impact on noise And parking we do appreciate that Certainly a a pub will bring a new and needed attraction to the center I hope however that your board with its licensing jurisdiction Will properly set the hours of operation in line with current practice And clarify the issues about noise that I have raised I say this because as I said we are have do have elderly We do have a lot of children there and the prospect The question was raised about the outside seating open till midnight Um The board all the boards in town welcomed us and we were very happy to build our apartments there We do have families and I just think it's excessive to think that we would have noise Up till midnight every night of the week. Thank you very much Thank you So, uh, do you well, I'm gonna invite you so you ask some questions And I think I are probably appropriately posed to mr. Leone So mr. Leone, uh, first off just in terms of the request for midnight hours If you don't mind, I want to tackle these one at a time. Uh, what's Why do you seek a midnight hour? What would be the effect of an earlier evening? Yeah, well as I said before there's no other Venue in the center open till midnight It would provide a destination for not everyone goes to bed at nine ten o'clock like you and I People will be out at that hour They can stay out if they wish beyond 11 o'clock as the read the owner of the region came to the ARB said His shows get out at 10 30 11 o'clock. This will provide those patrons A reason to stay in Arlington And to come to this restaurant and go ahead and have a late-night meal as opposed to having to drive into Cambridge into Davis Square Whether folks like it or not Arlington is becoming a more vibrant community. We are stepping it up So that's one of the reasons he wanted the 11 o'clock hour Okay sees it as a real frankly business opportunity because no one else is open Can I just make a clarification on that or town council? Um, we just had an applicant at our last meeting that asked till 1 a.m I think it was golden taste on medford street and town council and we do have several other um tiki in a couple of the other Asian restaurants in the heights some exceptions too, but I think can you state what the um Right for so for a liquor license the board's policy is that uh any restaurant holding a liquor license can be open until midnight and a less special Excuse me a bit of a cold but Unless I'm sick of leaving us That's what it is Unless there are special conditions placed by this board on those lights on that license So the other restaurants in the center that make clothes Earlier do so out of their own choice I I do not believe that there's traditionally put any Uh hour of closing that's any earlier. They're the ones stated here um Under town bylaws retail food cannot be sold after 1 a.m So I think the issue with the golden taste was they didn't have a liquor license That's why they got 1 a.m. Versus right the 12 p.m. And it's probably 6 to 8 I can't I just wanted to make that correction. That's all cool. So question number two was um I related to the so when you have the jazz or whatever coming in the uh, will they be permitted to use the amplification? No, that's acoustic is not amplified. So the acoustic was the next one if yeah, if um, It's not amplified and we've stated. It's not amplified. It's in the um, a rb decision Requirements that it's not being amplified. So it's not going to happen. I think you I think that that's your so acoustic is It doesn't have a plug. It is not amplified Thank you. All right. Can we have one clarifying question? Um with So no microphones even Is that correct? Okay, no, I just wanted to clarify that Yeah, no, of course, but I know other brunches are you know kind of get involved with time Yeah, I think is And can I just sort of maybe re-ask as it was the acoustic? But then there was the individual vendors performers Would they be allowed to come in with their own amplification? No, no, right. It's not a coup. That was two separate questions. No amplifiers in the front period Right, so whether that will be the system. I'm sorry Whether Bob provides it or the performer provides it. No amps in the front Okay, it was two I knew acoustic is my daughter I'm going to have to correct something on that when we do have trivia He will speak and there would be speakers in the back, but it'd be going through the house system But it would be someone talking Yeah, but the question is you're controlling it. It's not So I'm going to come in and bring 10 o'clock amps of sound I would love that Was your last question about parking? No, I apologize He said that was a whole lot different. You're right. So I apologize. What was your last question? I wrote it down incorrectly Was it acoustic? Just the different music and parking study No, the definition of what acoustic Okay, then I think we answered all the explicit questions anyway So in other words when when I I did a survey of the restaurants I don't mean to drag this out, but I did a survey of the restaurants in Arlington Center and each one of them said open weeknights till 10 And on weekends till 11 And but you're saying madham counsel that they are permitted to Stay open till midnight one Midnight if they have a liquor license, what if they don't and and what if they don't one and they don't Oh, I see I mean, I don't know if any particular earlier hours were placed on any of those licenses I'm not aware of it But what I what I'm assuming is that they are allowed to stay open later They just choose no too and there have been a couple occasions where we've made special exceptions for requests from restaurants for things like New Year's Eve and stuff like that where we've permitted them past one But those have been Case by case bases Okay, thank you Thank you Who next would like to speak about from the public? If no one stands up, I'm gonna There's way too many people here for no one else to be able to speak Mr. Ruderman good evening members of the board Michael Ruderman live on Alton street around the corner from Broadway Plaza and I represent Prec nine in town meeting many of the restaurants in Arlington Center as well as many of the neighbors That I've been speaking with for the last couple of months about this issue Let me correct a couple of things It's not dead It's not abandoned. There's been a vacant restaurant space in Arlington Center For a while But I'm here to speak to a number of concerns that neighbors have That go beyond simply the existence of a restaurant that being the difference between this restaurant as proposed And the restaurants that have been there for the past 19 years Gemma crazy carries Panera back to the first Permit that the ARB allowed for conversion to to a restaurant establishment One is the outdoor seating the plan the picture that's been presented to you here Eliminates one tree One light pole And the entire raised seating area In Broadway Plaza you can like them or not like them But that plan eliminates them visually there is not room For those tables and chairs that are shown on that illustration That are shown on the paperwork in front of you. They don't fit So i'm going to ask you for three things tonight. I'm going to ask you one no outdoor seating What because it doesn't fit that plan the plan in front of you that picture Cannot be built as presented to you couldn't be built as presented to the ARB, but they didn't have jurisdiction either Uh, it can't be built Secondly, I echo mr. Myrax concerns about noise Especially in the later hours of the night when because of the absence of surrounding noise Everything there anything any noise sounds louder because it doesn't compete with with traffic noise So every every conversation every restaurant Of you know the typical clinking of glasses and silverware every conversation every car door slamming every car engine starting The later it gets the louder all of these noises appear to the neighborhood now. I live about Three car lengths down Broadway and four car lengths up And I can tell you the exact comings and goings of all of the businesses that front on Broadway It's simple acoustics the sound travels. I would consider Not that this is an abandoned or a dead space, but it's a neighborhood restaurant It's in a commercial block Uh in a strip of commercial blocks right behind it is the neighborhood So I ask you if uh if another restaurant surrounded by Residences wanted to be the one res wanted to be the one restaurant in town that was open till midnight Say, I don't know hypothetically olivios Do you think the sound would travel around the neighborhood? Maybe maybe go across the street go up the up winter street Do you think the residents would hear a pronounced and increased difference in the noise in the neighborhood as the hours went on And the only thing making noise was that restaurant on the corner? Yes. That's what they would hear. That's what they would perceive So for first request no outdoor seating the second request is that Is that we we've gone around and around you what's acoustic? What's what's amplified if you simply say no amplification front or back Wherever it is in the restaurant will be simple will be done with a matter tonight No amplification within the restaurant. That's my second request. Otherwise you put yourselves into the position of the restaurant police Because if someone says hey, it's loud in there and their windows are open and the sound is welling out and it's too loud Well, who's going to go find out? You know, what's going on? That puts you in a very unenviable position of being the enforcers of Of what was promised and asserted in good faith and accepted here in good faith tonight The third thing i'm going to ask you for is An 11 o'clock closing time With an asterisk i'll explain I'm afraid and many of the residents in the neighborhood are afraid that if there's one Pouring establishment as we used to call them growing up in arlington. It's open till midnight. That will become arlington's last call for Anyone anywhere from any venue not just the regent And and tell me if i'm just too old here But is arlington really the sort of place where people go out to dinner at 11 15 or 11 30 at night? Uh, I don't know. I think that's bar hours I think 11 p.m. To midnight is bar hours and i'm afraid and many of my Neighbors are afraid that being the one singular place with a pouring license till midnight makes that arlington's last call And so not only will it have its own Patronship, but it will have everybody else who wants one more And knows where they can get it Because they're the one they're the one and only place and i'm afraid that Not so much that you're going to have a parade out the door of other petitioners asking for the midnight hour But maybe you will and maybe you'll have to consider this You know multiple times in in short order But i'm afraid that the 11 o'clock hour will become will become arlington's last call of choice And our neighborhood will suffer all all of the sounds and noises and impacts and parking and But let me give you the asterisk we've heard a lot of Well-minded and very community-minded assertions and promises Both of the arb hearings the five hours of that and and tonight So i'm going to ask you if you'd like to continue this experiment that that your predecessors began some while ago in Having Pouring establishments in arlington. I ask you to hold off on The midnight closing hour Save six months Let's hold off on that until we've had Uh Some experience some observation. Let's see if the the many assertions That the proponents have baited here bear out and that they are as good citizens and good community members and good for the neighborhood As they're promising up and down that they will be not no restaurants ever incident-free Spoken with the community liaison Officer of boston police department. He didn't say they were incident-free down in austin. He said usual stuff I said, what does that mean? Not much the usual stuff uh The usual stuff is the drunken disorderly the the disruption the disturbances of the peace that sort of thing But let's see let's see how this works If you really want to grant a midnight liquor license in arlington the first first explicit one ever Let's see how this works Okay, so i'd like no outdoor seating because that plan is unbuildable on its face I'd like no amplification anywhere make it cut and dried and simple And don't give a midnight closing hour until we've had some track record to see how this restaurant fits into the neighborhood Thank you Thank you. Mr. Ritterman Who else would like to speak come on up It would not be a bad idea if you want to speak next to Perhaps stand underneath the monitor there and kind of form a line just so we can move it along Welcome My name is jay ebrilly. I live at 87 Bartlett avenue. My wife and I have lived in arlington for 25 years now Okay, um I guess i'm a little confused about the prior gentleman's uh testimony I was under the impression that all the restaurants That had liquor licenses currently in the downtown could stay open till midnight And so there's really at least to my mind it didn't sound like there was anything new here that we don't already have What I just wanted to talk about was that Over the last 25 years as a resident in arlington Really have enjoyed seeing the changes that have taken place the vibrance of the restaurant scene here Of the art scene of a whole number of different things that have gone on and If you look at my shoes, you'll see that they're a little unusual Because my wife and I walk everywhere. We moved to the downtown area So that we could walk everywhere to transportation to restaurants and so forth. We walked here tonight And um, I think a lot of the people will be taking advantage of this New venue will be neighborhood residents such as myself that we'll be walking Frankly, I don't know the um Owner of the proposed restaurant. I've never met him Simply have heard some of the talk that's gone on in the the news recently about noise about other issues and while I am concerned with that I Sounds a lot of a lot like some of the nimby concerns that We've heard in the past about the bike path and so forth and as long as The owner adheres to our laws and You know, there's not a problem created Then I don't see any reason to deny this Looking for new activities in the downtown and this sounds like a good one. So anyway, that's my testimony. Thank you very much Come on up. Welcome My name is uh test Hartwell and um, I'm sorry just test Hartwell I uh, I own a home in Arlington. Um, I own a business in Arlington I'm here tonight to speak in support of common ground's proposal. Um, specifically the patio seating I have two children one who's just gone through the Arlington school system and one that's at the high school And I moved here about five years ago Because I like the community. I thought it would be a good place to raise kids I still very much feel that way and um, I think Uh, you know, I've spoken to a lot of our friends and neighbors who all feel like Arlington, you know is in some ways missing that vibrancy that um, that we'd like to see I think that this proposal would open up the door for For that type of vibrancy and to help stimulate the local economy And uh, I also think that as a bicycling community and a lot of people walk as the previous gentleman said I think that that will alleviate a lot of the traffic situation the parking situation That people are concerned over personally. I both bike and I drive and um, when I've driven I have never had a problem trying to get a parking spot either in the evening or during the day So I think that this is exactly the kind of thing that Arlington needs to continue to Stimulate the local economy. Thank you very much So anyone else who wanted to speak Amplify Believe it or not, there isn't one So the microphones we've got here, uh, they go out on the cable to the recording But we don't actually have any speakers in this in this room. So unfortunately, sometimes the acoustics are a problem There are a couple seats that are up front that are open But because definitely when we have a soft spoken speaker, it's definitely sometimes difficult for the audience Hi Hi, I'm Kathy Zollner and I live on Russell street from The parking lot behind the Arlington catholic school My husband and I moved here as empty nesters from belmont in 2005 and I have to say that we really love the community We weren't expecting Armstrong ambulance to come into our neighborhood. We live on a wonderful historic street So we've had to deal with that. But I think that's part of Part and parcel of living where we live and being so close to the center And so we've had to learn to adapt to that instead of complaining about it One of the things that I'm I just found out about this restaurant today coming into town And I'm also on the board of the Arlington chamber of commerce And I am not speaking on behalf of the board, but I'm a business owner as well and I'm very interested in businesses flourishing in Arlington and seeing successful business because it helps Bring more people into the town and helps with the vitality And the economics of our of our community I'm tired of going outside of town to find an outside cafe I'd love to be able to walk from my home Go up and have a drink and I'm sure the chief of police who's left would have loved to have heard that too So that I could walk up get a cocktail and walk back home and I too like to exercise And I also The chamber itself we have a really hard time finding venues that are large enough to accommodate Larger group gatherings So it would be wonderful to have a larger seating capacity restaurant in the town for for that reason Um And I know parking is an issue But we also have difficulty with parking on our street from the department of social Services and also from the students from the Arlington Catholic school So I acknowledge that in general we have a parking issue Um, I don't have a problem with them being open till midnight because I don't think it's it sounds to me Like it's not going to be the kind of establishment That would it would pose a problem Um I too go to the Arlington film festival. It's a great festival But you get out late at night and there's no place to go So we've been having folks to our home afterwards for our food and beverage It would be really nice to be able to have a venue to go to Um the plaza I guess this is up for discussion But I'm very disappointed in the way the plaza has been kept up And I feel like this would really boost the real estate And the appeal of the plaza and I also like the interest that you have In investing into the plaza and the way that it looks And if you go over to union square in summerville, they have wonderful outdoor plazas And those a lot of those businesses in union square are but residential neighborhoods So I don't have a problem with that Um, I guess that's it and I just thank you for the opportunity to be able to speak. Thank you Welcome Do you want to come Hi, um, my name is Nancy Knoff. I live on at 87 Bartlett ave and along with my husband We have lived here about 25 years. He spoke earlier. I won't take up too much time I can tell by the shoes And I just wanted to say that I was very excited when I had first read that the gastropub was thinking of coming to Arlington I thought it was a done deal and then when I started hearing that it was very controversial I decided that I wanted to come and I don't know anything. I don't know any of the players It is simply as a resident of Arlington I think it's a wonderful opportunity to have I like the idea of a pub a public place where people can gather I think it beats the heck out of the Arlington list, you know, let's get people face to face Let's get people out and in the community. I think it's a strong Suit of Arlington and when you have kids in the public schools or when you have dogs You know, you're out and about and you get to see your neighbors. My kids are done. I don't have a dog anymore So this is a new opportunity to get to see my neighbors and that is the strength of Arlington I think is the strength of the community and so Keeping in mind that everything is done correctly and keeps everybody happy. I think it's a wonderful idea and I fully support it Thank you very much Anybody else out there not seeing anyone mr. Greeley. So Um, what I'd like to recommend, uh, mr. Chairman is that we separate these votes Um, I personally think everything is fine other than the outdoor seating and that is an issue That we would have to change our policy to allow that for the consumption of alcohol. I want to make it clear though. We don't We are not licensing pouring establishments. We are licensing restaurants where we allow them to serve alcohol Where we have already allowed a license till midnight for the monotony village It would be unfair to another business not to allow them that same opportunity. It's not the only place in town for someone to go for a last call So I'm sure my other members of the board have a lot to say I'd recommend we keep that the public seating one last and I'd like to move approval on the common victorlers license Subject to all conditions are set for starting easy, are you? I thought I'd take the first pitch and Uh, is there a second second from uh, mrs. Han. I do. I think we do separately just Ms. Rice, do you are we going to be able to consider the awning? Uh, I say no not because it needs to be advertised, but because it's known on the agenda Okay, mr. Leone. I think I'm going to accept that recommendation. So we'll only talk about four I've spoke to the board administrator. I'll come back on the 30th after convene. Okay. Thank you Uh, who wants to speak about common victorler or in general? I guess, uh, Joe I guess I'll just say just a few general remarks to and I agree with separating them although there may be some problematic pieces Um, I I also think this is an asset to the town. I think that particularly that the uh, the Function space we hear this again and again that there's just a lack of function space We do the best we can here with town hall. I mean, certainly we we you know, Patsy Kramer does a great job here But it's always booked It's always booked and beyond that Well, we have the sons of italy. We have the american legion are really the two most most common ones sometimes the kfc Most of which are surrounded by residential areas too um So I mean, I think it's it's a real benefit. I think, um It's been frustrating me to see that that space vacant especially where it's in the heart of Of town and I think having an establishment that is complementary to the region Which I consider to be the anchor establishment for the center Um In the evenings particularly I think is is very important the one question I'm going to have and I support the common victorless license the motion um I had asked a question about the hours that you're you're seeking on the sidewalk cafe What I want to ask town councils Where where my thinking is if we are to go forward with the outdoor seating and I understand with separating that um I probably won't be able to support the same hours for the outdoor seating as for the the um the indoor establishment And I'm wondering do we have to set that limitation here in the common victorless license if we were to set a limitation on the hours of operation for outdoor seating or do we have to set that um In the out in the sidewalk cafe Permit as a condition if we were to if it were the board's desire to do that Well, I I think you could it probably makes sense to do it in the common Vic license if you do it on the Otherwise, I mean you could do it for the outdoor seating, but The outdoor seating really relates to placement of the furniture So what you have is the placement of the furniture and by limiting the hours of the common Vic you're saying service can't take place After a particular hour, so let me tell you what i'm trying to get at and I don't know if my board my colleagues will agree And and maybe you can tell us how we could do this I mean, I agree with with granting midnight operation for the the restaurant function hall I only feel comfortable with the 10 o'clock for the outdoor seating How would we do that? Would we do that in this motion or in the outdoor seating motion? This is the common Vic. Yep, I would do it in this one because At the current time, I think you're not going to entertain allowing service of alcoholic beverages on the plaza Because I'd be the current policy. I can't count to three on that now Right, so I would do it on the common Vic I would say for the common Vic the hours are till midnight Except for the outdoor seating portion that the hours are only till 10 or whatever the board says to go Just a point of clarification What this argues for is we really should take up the outdoor seating and and approve it or deny it right now You know, that sounds your issue All right, let's let's go let's go around and then let's go, but I think it's a good advice, mr. Really Do you guys want the outdoor seating if you can't serve alcohol out there? I would say yes because I saw some people who would prefer to sit outside as more of a Cafe to our windows is that can extend extension of it to make it a better feel an atmosphere? Prefer to have the alcohol, but I mean It's And I and Just on this portion of it. I um I would be open to having you know a more in-depth policy discussion on Deserving of alcohol outdoors. I don't think this is the right time for it But So that's how I feel about the outdoor seating All right, so then I think so I feel like we have general support for the common Vic We just have to figure out the language. So let's put that motion to the side for the moment and Let's talk about outdoor seating and if anyone wants to make a motion. That's fine But if we don't want to and we just want to talk about it, that's fine with me too Uh chairman. Yes 10 8 10 p.m. Is fine for the outdoor seating Okay, we'll whatever you want to do. I wasn't thinking about all right So I have a question for the applicant about the outdoor seating. So I'm looking at the physical Layout and looking at the plan that was the architect just throwing it down And because we were trying to decide whether it should be up against the building We're trying to figure out the pathway. So we don't actually have a real seating plan Right and I'm good at revisiting this in three months from now when I have a better As understanding what's going on is so yeah, is there anyone so my thoughts on so here's what I suggest I don't think anyone's good. We're not about to approve outdoor seating We don't have a plan But let's give them the benefit of a discussion about things that we think are important and let so to make the plan That comes in a better one. Is that Miss really can I can I just clarification what you just said When do you hope to start? When would you hope to open I would hope to open based on it either by december or january 1st Okay, and that's why we're saying I would be visited once I got in Addressed and then see more about the outdoor area. So that's what I'm saying. Are you willing to delay Applying for the outdoor seating until after you open. Yes Yeah, well, that's awesome. Well, so let's just give it a general quick general discussion Do you have any comments from hon? Do you have? Um, I I want to agree with uh, Mr. Kira I'm not sure we made that right now our bylaw says You can only serve alcohol on private property and I think tonight's meeting We need to have a future meeting where we discuss that if we want to make a change to that. Is it a bylaw? Yeah, it's the alcohol policy But not bylaw So and I mean where the outdoor seating still isn't really cemented down I would be leaning towards what mr. Kuro had suggested 12 a.m for the restaurant and 10 p.m for outside and I would note we do have And maybe maybe to some of the neighbors monotony tavern and grill when east allington was first developed And I know I was involved with the east allington neighbor committee There were lots of concerns, especially with all these restaurants coming And I think a testament because they're sort of in the later stages in east allington with restaurants and other businesses And developments that when monotony tavern and grill came in and you do have a lot of residences I know the box ashes and everybody on caught caught a chap in teal street and people who live on mass av And this historic home directly across from that One of the things that really works that I think helped the neighbors down there which which is brand new here Is they've gotten used to they see the benefit of having a lively Capital square they call it as well as and I think I heard this but I just want to follow up on two Um items. I think you referenced that you are committing to or exploring Monotony tavern and grill and other establishments, but they are open until midnight. They have outside outdoor seating, but it's I shouldn't say their private property. It's the owner's private property that they lease They have contact people. They're really good about You know getting in with the neighbors and I think I also heard you either talking about joining the chamber and all the Broadway Plaza business group. I'm not committing you. It's not I'll commit myself. Don't worry about it. No, I I plan on getting involved into the community as much as I possibly can Like I already talked to the horticulture about the the potted areas I want to take that over and beautify it and spend my money on it because I wanted to look nicer Then when you look at the center, you go, wow, it looks nice. Let's go check it out. I'm all about making it look nicer. I've heard owner The shop of this complain about how dirty it is. I'm like, well, then do something about it. It's your place clean it up That's how I was taught to do and that's what I do when I come in I try to make it as best as possible With the community help and stuff and I just want to add in terms of my family experience Which they have no vested interest whatsoever with the chef the nocera family with the chateaus They've gone into similar circumstances with chateaus and noceras and sometimes when it's a brand new idea Well, not a brand new idea, but a brand new idea for that area the same concerns arise And I think the big thing that makes it work is that the owner and or his designee really has something Established and gets the word out and anticipates everything beforehand and I think I'm seeing that Any comments on outdoor stuff briefly well I just want to clarify the monotony grill where we have allowed it You have to enter the restaurant You cannot enter it from the sidewalk. That's a big difference. That that's that's obviously the issue here But and I think it's very, you know Very nice that they're willing to wait and say look, you know, give us let us open and get it going and everything We'll revisit which we need to revisit, you know So what we need to do what we can to increase and help foot traffic While being concerned and fair to the neighbors, I mean it's I'll say so my thoughts on the plan was I had real questions even beyond the physical stuff Just the number of seats in the space available the density was Seemed I didn't I don't think I couldn't be careful with the density is my feedback on that and I would definitely I went I lost this vote last year, but you know this year and next year is a new year Having I'm okay with having alcohol on the sidewalk In the right in the controlled ways and I point to some examples in Cambridge that are They're pulling it off and doing it pretty smart. It's not for everyone. It's not for every location, but I don't Like that we ban it, but we don't have to We don't allow it. That's a nice way. Exactly. So that's my that's my opening salvo for a fight that we're not fighting tonight 25 years I've been fighting for All right, so I think then we're gonna We're gonna call that outside seating I think we should call it withdrawn and we'll revisit when it comes back Early next year. Okay So now we have three the common Vic the all alcohol and the public entertainment So I think let's come back to the common Vic from and put mr. Greeley's motion back on the table Okay, Steve One potentially two questions looking at the The plans here the back door outside of the door outside of the back room the event room Is that going to be open for patrons to you know, not at all That is an emergency and one of these two back doors actually one in the function hall, which will be an emergency exit which empties out onto a Well, you'd have to look at Google or like an alley. It's like, well, it's a big area You can spin a dump truck around back there, but that goes on to an alley which should strictly be used for pick up and deliveries And emergency patron entranceway out of the building onto the public way No one will be out there. That's good. Yeah, I didn't want it to be a place where you know people that were inside The party would be they don't want to go outside And I'd also you know after hearing Mr. Myrax some of his concerns for his residents potentially You know, I'm completely support having Your place open till midnight may be shutting the windows around 10 o'clock say Just to you know quiet it down a little bit for and maybe I think that might be a good compromise to work with the neighbors in Boston. It's 11 o'clock Just because it's And I I would agree to 11 o'clock because it's a bit too late anyway at that time No, but I mean, you know, we're we're not but we're not in, you know, Boston This is a learning curve for the town to and I think You know, I think we're really trying to work there I think that might be a good compromise that you and the You know surrounding community, you know a good way to start out a positive relationship If you'd consider that yeah, again those windows will Not be open eight eight months of the year. Yeah. No, I know I I completely understand that John But I think that's definitely something to consider and I hope you'd support that And I really do appreciate all that you're planning on doing for the town I like that you're getting involved Right off the bat and I think, you know, this was a very, you know It was an excellent packet that you provided and with a lot of information. So I thank you for that This is mohan If I could, um, I know again from my family as well as we have this with a few restaurants in east dialington like olivios And I'm not sure what monotony where their back door and where their workers are And also the restaurants Punjab Because there's residents right there even though there's a pocket They've all when complaints of command I'm trying to be pro pro active that you know People are working till 11 midnight And you know when you're working late at night to you, it's nine o'clock at night. Um, and you know, lots of times there's lots of dumping and and you know Doors in every door and window open open And what what the neighbors have asked for and other restaurants have done is has sort of trained their employees that You know, even though we're back here to 11 12 midnight We have to kind of go I don't want to say a quiet voice, but you've been in the restaurant business I think you know what I'm referencing. I know there's different Could you speak to that? Um, well, it's like I do in Austin. I have my employees. I have certain times when it's time for cleaning Things get dumped and you can just basically they're gonna know not to go out and they just don't things against the wall And in reference to people coming out and stuff There's a timeline because if I see people out at certain times, what are you doing? We only have certain breaks during certain times and they can go to the employee area If they're smoking then they they quick cigarette break outside. Yes and keep it quiet But I mean like nobody's in reference to cleaning and stuff It's all done within a timeline at the end of the night. You might well have a trash That needs to be dumped in the middle of shift, but it's not going to be Continue throwing anything. Yeah. No, it's it's all done in shifts We try conserving as much and try as little trash as possible because If you look at our food, we don't throw really any food away Most everybody eats everything it takes at home. So we only thing we have is maybe some Um, some wrappers or something from opening containers or something out Okay Conditions on the ARB special permit is the dumpsters have to have plastic lids So they won't be those big old metal ones banging and waking everybody up at all hours They'll be Quiet and just so you know, I don't know how these people have been doing Some of the deliveries in business But you can dictate to the people who are doing deliveries and pickups and everything What time they're going to come and I dictate 100 because I like to see make sure everybody's aware of what's going on Joe one thing I wanted to reference was the the parking and you know, I appreciate the mitigation measures here I think it's important to keep Stressing that that the russell commons and railroad at the places to go I also think at the same time that we have a responsibility. I think we we had a discussion about the center parking Situation in the study that was undertaken There were some short-term measures that we were looking at to improve the signage in the Russell commons law to make clear that it's Three-hour limits during the day and that it's free at night, which I know this is something I've heard from some of the businesses operating At night and I was wondering if the manager might have any update on on what we had discussed So I recently spoke with michael rata-macher at public works And he's working with dan warren to create a decal to clarify the two hour versus three hour parking issue And he's still having discussions about Creating some directional signage to get people in to improve the way people find The town's parking lot. So we we've not implemented those short-term Fixes yet, but we are working towards them. Thank you. I think it's important I mean because I've heard it from the center merchants and I think if we're You know on a road to approving you know an establishment like like this where we we have Had some parking issues flagged I think it's it's doubly important now that we make sure that the parking resources we do have there are clearly marked and Accessible because they really aren't that far away from the establishment So my comment is on the common Vic. I like the restaurant idea. I think it's very neat. I look forward to it a lot I think it's I think it's going to be a really enjoyable place and I'm really looking forward to it I will definitely say that I think that steve's on the right track with talking about the windows closing at 10 The the thirsty scholar on hampshire street Pretty sure they close at 10 for them They do it for the exact same reason because I know that I've been a patron there enjoying the windows And they close the windows and I'm like keep the will but it's nice And they're like no the neighbors don't think they're nice So I I think steve's really on the right track and I think you should strongly consider that I'm not ready to make it a condition but It would be one of the first things that I would that I would think about All right, uh, we need to vote on that. Yeah, is there any are we ready to vote on the common Vic? All those in favor, please say aye. All those opposed Okay, five approval on the all alcohol subject to all conditions is set forth Second second for mr. Byrne any discussion on the all alcohol I just want to clarify. Is this the last one we'll be giving out Unless we revisit the issue. I'm not saying that's an issue. I just want to make sure that's before us So we may have an alcohol agenda item policy discussion later. Okay Any other discussion on the board on the all alcohol was there a second? Yes, mr. Byrne My comment is the exact same one that I gave the previous Applicant who you just saw we had three violations two years ago. We had six violations last year It's too many And I absolutely understand the year we've got a million things in the air and you're losing money until you actually get People coming in and paying and I completely understand that that is incredibly stressful But build a system such that It's it lasts and that you train you retrain and you teach people because it'll really Be unpleasant if we have to come back and talk about You as one of the three or the six or hopefully next year zero Actually one thing to add on though I think that you know, we heard tonight from Some residents that you know owning the or the establishment in brighton might not be a good thing And they might bring that to arlington, but on the other side of it I think that might be beneficial in that they um as we've heard they are responsible there and they know You know, I think that having that be a vital part of their business somewhere else will only benefit arlington when it comes to You know safety And that's it. Thank you Uh any further discussion All those in favor, please say aye five zero Move move approval on public entertainment for for no outdoor amplification Acoustic music within the restaurant and ample amplification allowed as necessary in the Function hall as provided by the Well, no the band comes in You might have weddings and stuff there, right? Yeah, so that would be typical of a function hall sir second Second second Joe you look like you have yeah, no, I'm just I'm just trying to I'm just I'm I'm absolutely in line with the goal of the no amplification in the In the front. I'm just trying to work through in my head Well, what we've been presented and how that will actually work in practice, you know a jazz duo or trio I mean typically there's a piano. You can have a piano on the acoustic piano on the premises or you're going to be elected They would have a keyboard Which is technically is a form of amplification. So I think that's why I'm just I'm afraid of us tying ourselves in knots In a way that would make it unworkable How do we how do we better define that so that it's not Loud amplification. Yeah If you say really a microphone in the restaurant, I mean how we really advance this myself I would do it at trust although. I don't think they have a microphone There's a number of places I've been in Ireland to that has jazz bands and stuff But they do have an electric piano So let me let me try to split the hair this way and say Instrument only without addition like without additional amplification And so thereby you're saying like you've got you've got a You know admittedly it's a fine. We can't You're right. We're not going to write ourselves watertight, but that's a perhaps a shade better. I don't know Okay, I could Well, I want to make sure we give proper latitude without without May I ask You seem pretty sharp You already have a group of Acts, you know that are coming in that you would use for like a brunch. Yeah, it would be like a violin It would be maybe electric piano or or just a acoustic guitar non amplification Basically, that's the style that you have you might get a harp and they don't have any amplifications It's a bond just to put it on the table one solution might be that we Support mr. Greeley's motion and should the situation arise we can bring them right back in immediately and You know revoke some pot or all of the permission I think what joe's concerned is correct me if i'm wrong is that that piano Like an electric piano would violate the terms that mr. Greeley is proposed Because it plugs in basically it seems like it'd be a pretty common instrument See I have a bias because my daughter does Does acoustical and she does a guitar and she does the keyboard and you really can't jack it up on that But I'll let you I'll let you guys I I wanted to disclose that Can we change? To can we say no amplification beyond the instrument itself in replace of the no amplification and then Just say we all know what we're talking about and hope it's good enough. Is that okay? Yeah, yeah, okay that we can say that You can imagine tell me you still want to open this place I wasn't planning on having to entertain me in the front anyway, except for Everyone happy with that any further discussion All those in favor, please say aye Any opposed Five zero. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much outdoor seating. So yeah, we'll see the awning when we have it Sorry, we don't have it there and outdoor seating. Let's talk about it later Thank you We need a garage on rustle common and a garage it being nine o'clock. I'm going to call a five minute recess Okay, it is we'll be back at 9 0 5 Thank you everybody bringing us back to order next up licenses and permits Request for a secondhand dealer license barber molly marley doing business as buzzy's bazaar Hi Welcome I assume you're miss marley. Yes. I kind of like to Think of it more and a more cache a kind of terms Is taking things from people that no longer want them and giving them to people who want to love them now It's kind of changed the whole idea that it being secondhand I think people like things that have some age to them and some interest. I was a former high school English and history both in stoneman and lexington and I started collecting as a child I was always interested in everything that people didn't want anymore and why and I would try to restore it And I was a docent for the art deco committee and help barbara capitan build South beach as to what it is today And I had a lot to do with lecturing for the art deco committee And trying to inculcate in people in interest in all kinds of things And I I feel that you know, it really is the future Of of collecting and saving things Dying a girl or somebody else doesn't want or somebody Would you believe that back until may we were so rude as to call them junk dealers? Because it really isn't it's wonderful thing So thank you, we've thank you for coming we've read your applications any questions or a motion from the board Move approval subject to all conditions as said fourth. Is there a second second? Thank you, mr So coming from south beach, how does one pick arlington for a business? I think it's a wonderful place your your arlington is a wonderful town And um, I've been involved with arlington for years years ago with arrow Pontiac. I worked there for five years And um, I I love being there and I love being back there And I think it's close to cambridge and medford. You meet all kinds of people.  Yes, indeed further questions All those in favor, please say aye. Hi five zero. Welcome to arlington. Good luck. Yes, good luck I'll be in Next up citizens open forums Except in unusual circumstances any matter presented for consideration of the board shall neither be acted upon Nor decision made the night of the presentation in accordance with the policy under which the open forum was established It should be noted There is a three-minute time limit to present a concert request Is there anyone here who would like to speak to the citizens open forum? Welcome Welcome. Thank you for the time. I'll be brief. Uh, paula marinelli precinct two. Thank you Uh, it's past my bedtime. So three minutes is a good idea. Um It's a near and dear issue to my heart which is uh, roadway safety issues And uh, I haven't stood before you in probably three years now But it was just brought to my attention the other night that um You're going to be doing some repaving up in arlington heights And uh, there's some pedestrian crossings up there that were installed about 14 15 years ago at the cost of An excess of ten thousand dollars a piece. I've actually used some examples of those crossings In a little piece idea on beacon hill last year Trying to get the commonwealth to adopt The international crosswalk design that we see in this photo Which dates back to the late 40s in great britain Arlington adopted this design to go forward with this back in 01. I think it was Warren article number 41 And I was also under the impression that uh Going forward in the heights. We realized that the brick pedestrian crossings up there I think there's about nine of them We're crumbling We're rather invisible to oncoming motorists. That's really the objective of a pedestrian crossing Anybody with any type of mobility impairment is obviously not a fan of it seniors community disability community And uh, I stayed up past my bedtime tonight to to appeal to you as the um Um The way I understood it as um The party that's responsible for traffic decisions in this city of town This paving Projects supposed to happen next week And I was made aware that they're going to attempt to preserve some of these invisible crossings and um I got a picture of one of these crumbling ones for you that I actually used on beacon hill to say Look chapter 90 moneys Across the commonwealth of being used for roadway initiatives and pedestrian crossings And I urge you if if we're going to be using chapter 90 moneys Let's make them as visible and as safe as possible to oncoming motorists I've got a series of these from 100 200 and 300 feet and uh What i'm going to do is i'm going to hand these to adam and as well as a copy to you the select man And you can see how They just don't work Yet if you were to put these down in thermoplastic They can be seen from easily 300 feet if done properly Typically a cost of one of those is less than 500 dollars as opposed to close to 10 grand Now I don't know the scope of the project and the heights the paving project Uh, I got wind that maybe uh end star was involved with it I don't know if they're paying for the project, but it seemed like the time Is the roads being ripped up to go forward and do this properly Um, I did take a couple of notes. I will be very brief We know these work. Well, first let me hand these out. You got like a minute left We know they work They're inexpensive We'd like to see consistency And clearly the primary objective of these crossings is safety So I think if you looked at the condition of those if that was concrete There would be no question you tell the contractor you got to rip this up and do it right Yet for some reason we turn a blind eye to this So I'm begging you For your consideration to make this change in the next week before this happens Um, you have the authority to do that I'd love you to discuss it tonight I realize it's on the citizens open forum Um And I can answer any questions you might have So thank you In just one other thing there were two other things I would like to ask you to pass along to tack And I can do that afterwards if you'd like. I'm sorry say it again There were two things I'd like you to pass along the tack to have them put on their agenda Okay, okay. Uh, do you want to mention them really briefly? Sure. One of them is was actually uh Brought to their attention twice in the last decade and unfortunately. It's such a big project It keeps getting shuffled to the bottom of their deck and the last time I inquired about it. They said they couldn't even find it. However It's what I consider the worst crossing in this municipality And it's one of the reasons I got involved in this in the first place And it's the crossing at park av wallaston and paul revere that I asked that that be Placed back on their agenda and a working group be established That's such a wide dangerous place. It's horrible for all roadway users. What's the other one? The third one is They recently repaved mystic valley parkway in the last 12 months They have two non mechanized pedestrian crossings one at palma and one at arizona unfortunately D o t o d c r did not put that international design in And I would ask that we give dc r or d o t A nudge as well as the pedestrian crossing on the root 2 axis road by the pedestrian bridge Uh, do you mind scribbling those down and passing those to murray so I can follow up with them? Sure. Thank you So I'm afraid that we aren't I because it's open forum We can't discuss it or act on it hasn't been pre announced and so on and so forth However, the person you really needed to hear so the who needed to hear this was the town manager And he heard you and so We'll leave it in his hands. Mrs. Mahon. Just one clarification when The o1 board of selectmen was sitting here myself and mr. Greeley included, but I'm speaking from my memory not There was when tac was originally formed mr. Herd was involved with that That's when the issue of international crosswalks came before us The then board adopted a policy With the then town manager and dpw director that going forward in the future We would a look at where we could do thermoplastic Crosswalks and I haven't really seen that been implemented recently And I think it's just because of the transition and I think Mr. Marinelli and paulo for bringing that back before us as well as it was discussed about the brick sidewalks and You know trying to move away from them and my only personal concern is We seem to be retaining them all and I know from dpw That when we have a winter like we had last year Those things get ripped up like crazy and there's big huge craters. They're just not efficient. So as the chair said The town manager heard that I'd really like to see some follow-through on this because I think it's an easy fix But so may I please chair? So What you heard is is correct It's a national grid who had been doing work for the past two construction seasons on both sides of the road Is actually going to be starting paving from the bus barn All the way down to richardson on mass av. So it's not it's not the town's contractor It's national grids contractor coming in doing that paving. We've been sort of Hammering on them for a while to do that And while we've been doing that microtomacher and myself have had Probably three to four conversations about what are we going to do with those crosswalks? For a number of reasons you can see and even in some of the photos you passed around There is a trench from the pipes that cuts across some of the crosswalk So there was the issue of what would we replace it with and then there was the issue of all right So if we're not going to do a brick crosswalk, how is the the business district going to feel about that from sort of the You know safety side aside the community development sort of district planning side of things But I think where we are right now is The cheapest fix for national grid is to just Put cobble back in Where those patches are but i'm happy to have a conversation before they start working See what we can do If I could add to that I know that uh a few years ago when this came up at the tack meetings Uh, I was led to believe that going forward up there As those projects went forward that those brick pedestrian crossings would be removed because they realized Number one, they weren't cost effective. They were basically invisible to oncoming motorists. They were crumbling And as far back is uh over 10 years ago And if you look back in tack notes, you'll see that They were looking for ways to make those more visible to oncoming motorists So one of the issues was just to change the yellow signs on the sides Those were never done. Those were supposed to be changed to fluorescent yellow But so this is on tax rate. Uh, and and I believe they were surprised that these were going to be preserved So uh tax meeting this week I don't know if it's something that you can direct tack to discuss and perhaps We can discuss this this week before this happens next week You know, i'm very happy to follow up on it. Thank you. Anything else? No. All right. Thank you very much Thank you. Anyone else who's here for citizens open forum? Nope Okay, isn't that one tooth? No Carol uh, we're next up is the discussion of the master plan progress carol klasky director Thank you very much. I want to especially thank you for the time We've already contributed to the master plan process Especially with the interviews the stakeholder interviews with the consultant And I want to thank mr. Byrne for serving as liaison to this board On the master plan advisory committee You received a memorandum in your packet telling you a little bit about the the the interest at this point is As the master plan advisory committee is working with the consultant right now to on a draft vision statement and draft goals for the master plan It's important at this point to elicit Any official agenda the board has For a master plan. It's not required But at the same time We don't want to overlook any official objective This board has or the redevelopment board has or any other keyboard This is the time to gather that you may not have considered whether you have an official Board objective or agenda for the master plan and that's fine if if this board does not But of course you can recognize that it's important that if you if the board does have it's It's it's appropriate at this point to consider that So i'd like you to give it some thought i would be happy to provide you with the drafts Knowing that they're going to change They're a work in progress the master plan advisory committee will be working on them So they may change but having the vision statement and the draft goals now might help you Consider whether you want to issue an agenda and put it into the mix I can come back at the meeting. I think you meet again on the 23rd if that's an appropriate time So give it some thought i'll provide through the town manager Or through the board of selectman's office The draft vision statement and draft goals now so you can see what's been shaping up If you feel comfortable with that that's perfectly adequate, but if you've held Uh Like a latent agenda that you want to see realize to the master plan now is the time to try to articulate and determine if the board If it's if it's a jointly held objective of the board as a body My thoughts, uh, just off the top. So having Not participated not as much as mr. Byrne, but at a number of the meanings is that I felt like the direction and the concepts that are being talked about are the right ones and uh So I think a draft would really help me to give me something concrete that if I feel like I need because for instance You the master plan committee decided the parking was not in the purview and you just didn't want to talk about it at all I'd be like no, I really think you should talk about parking some but I but you've been talking about parking and I don't see You stop stopping it. So I think for me personally a draft would be very helpful just So that I know but I can certainly say that everything that I've seen I feel like you're covering the important things already It's very further. No, I'm not just real I'd be glad to look at the vision and and the a draft but I feel the interview and if they had to say I was listened to so I'm sure it's Been included or rejected at this point I'm sure they took everything. No, I didn't have any specific recommendations anyhow, but I'm glad she's coming back And that we can look over those materials Thank you and Kevin don't worry. I said I advised them at the last meeting not to listen to one thing you said. So I think we're going in the right direction I'm kidding obviously Second I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Move will you adjourn? But um, no, I I couldn't be happy with how open this process was I um If you had an opinion you were listened to and you had ample opportunity To be involved and that's a testament to carol and the team of advisors that Are working on this and Also to the members of the committee. They um, they're working quite hard on this. They are logging quite a few hours And I'd like to thank them as well And um, it's been a great process to be involved in this fact. Thank you Quick consensus a poll board. Is there anyone who has something that they have in the back of my mind that they So, let's assume we're going to get a draft from carol assuming the draft. Is there anyone who says, yeah, I know I suspect there's something I'm going to want to talk about No, I don't want to see what's there and see if there's something that triggers something that I don't say good That's perfect. Sure. All right. Anything else? I think we're all set then. Thank you very much. Thank you All right next up is Talking about the ale life greenway. Oh, no, sorry. Yep. I checked something off Democratic appointee of the board of registrar So unfortunately one of our members of the board of registrars passed away And that leaves a vacancy. And so the board um through worry kripaka Invited the democratic committee to recommend some names And they have come forward and recommended three people for consideration for the Democratic seat for the board of registrar Uh, we've all had the information our pocket. I guess I'm looking for a direction or a motion or a comment Would you want to well, maybe you don't want to see Thank you, um, I just wanted to state just just an interesting full disclosure that I'm actually a member of the Democratic town committee. So I was present at the meeting Where three names were were were put forward my understanding of the process and I Confirm this with counsel is that the three names that were put forward by the DTC really are the only three names that we can consider for the For the position In my own opinion, I think that we have three candidates who've You know given a lot of service to the town and we have three excellent candidates Knowing them more or less see each of them makes it, you know As it always is all the more difficult to to make a recommendation Myself I I would actually like to Move that we appoint, um Miss crouse and I'll tell you why I think second I think that All of these candidates are excellent. If you look at them, they've they've been involved in the schools Some of them have been involved in town meeting and such miss cross has been involved in that also, but many many years And I think we also we send A message although we don't have the problems that that that you have in other parts of the country I think that miss cross is Long Demonstrated commitment as a member of the civil rights committee the fair housing task force Working with the housing corporation of arlington through calvary Methodist Shows a commitment to the disenfranchise and I think sends a message at a time we're seeing At the national level, I think An erosion of voting rights and commitments to that fairness. I think that it makes her particularly Excellent candidate I put that forward as a motion. So it was moved to seconded by uh, Mrs. Mrs. Mahan Was there any Further discussion or other candidates to why I was just going to make the point that uh, it's hard for us I know mr. Logan from town meeting and certainly know miss crouse. So But we haven't had a chance to interview them or anything but since joe has I certainly support miss crouse Okay, I think it's right for a vote then all those in favor of the motion to point to this cross. Please say I Opposed five zero Now we're getting to discussion in my greenway Mrs. Mahan, you had asked that we put this on the agenda for tonight to talk about Please take it away. Um, and I don't know if it does the town manager want to speak first Okay, I asked that this be on the agenda Because of the ongoing issues now that the greenway has been completed pretty much as Last year the town manager mr. Greeley the then chair myself and Other town officials from ollington met with the then commissioner Lambert of dcr Discussed about a dozen issues Issues that had already been discussed and not followed up and issues that arose out of the project So I asked this to be put back on the agenda because I contacted the governor three weeks ago and got that Department of energy and conservation. I can't remember who one of the chiefs of staff to call me back On the myriad of issues unfortunately, um, and I'm not speaking for the town manager, but Initially there was some conversation And seemed to focus on the signs on boulevard and lafayette. They've finally been done dcr is ready to come out and Coordinate with the town and put those back up But all the other and not that that is not an important issue But on the list of 12 that was probably 11 or 12 You know it's really the you know They also dcr also came in and accidentally inadvertently Mowed some of the wetlands So I did speak to the town manager about that and asked if concom can get involved with that but basically this Phone calls really aren't getting Returned and we're not getting the appropriate answer. I know the town manager and deputy town manager. I've tried Reaching out calling doing everything. This has been a five-year process and for some reason then mdc and now dcr really Is not doing right by the town of valentine on this project. So what I wanted to do tonight was Since we have the signs and everything everything's ready to go and I spoke to officer quarry rato who's in the parking department Um The signs are up because it's a state law. It's illegal to park On budding conservation land That's why the signs were up there originally but as a matter of housekeeping since we can get this one thing done Um, I'd like to make a motion that We vote to amend our traffic rules and orders article five section two schedule one parking That the no parking sides Um on the east side boulevard road Mass av to lafayette street be posted as no parking. So those signs go back up. It's also On the neighborhood. We do have You know Boulevard lafayette we have her but both sides of that is posted no parking the reason why the signs were there before The neighbors are begging for it because especially on the lower end where it's really it is very narrow It's just all commuter parking and you know getting out of the driveway So i'd like to make that motion to allow us to get these signs back up and at least cross that off Your motion is there a second? Any discussion But I I would I the only question I would have or for the board is whether or not Taking the parking full without the parking issue having been on the agenda as it would be of concern Yeah, I wondered about the neighbors whether they should have been informed If you want if you want to do with that, I just it just seems like we can get this done But it's whatever the board's pleasure. I let's put it on the agenda and Advertise it as that's fine. The streets. No, that's fine. Yeah, and then we can I know the neighbors They've been like come on but but I I agree and then the only other thing I would say and I've had a conversation with the town manager I'm just going to contact the governor again and say there was initial Um response when we started to move forward and it's just stalled there Would you like us to add a letter that we I would love that so it maybe if I could Yeah, I so I mean just to reiterate what miss mohan has said the dcr In my opinion has fallen short on their maintenance commitment in the new greenway I I think the greenway is a wonderful asset for the community I think a lot of people in the community and from outside of the community use that greenway coming to and from Ey for for recreational purposes But if you walk it bike it run it whatever you do I think you can see primarily the knotweed which is that invasive species that we've become familiar with is Has not been tended to in the areas that are board boardwalk It's growing over onto the boardwalk And in the wetlands area Particularly in their sunny side the maintenance is just not being kept up with so I've been very disappointed in dcr's lack of keeping up with maintenance Okay Mr. Greeley, why don't we have uh view diane and adam Yeah, or adam write a letter that you to approve and then bring two Yeah, and then I'll come and what I'll do is I'll forward to the selectman's office They already have it, but I don't want them to look at it the original list of items that mr. Greeley The town manager and the then dcr commissioner discussed and there were resolution of how they just so you all have it Is that why I put that on the letter actually? Okay These are the things that we agreed to these are the things that are done these are the things that aren't done So I'm I personally think I'm all on board with that so I made a motion to the second by mr. Greeley So nothing with signs, uh, so that we're not going to do the sign We're going to ask you to sign off on a letter that you haven't seen yet, but you understand what we're trying to do There you're relying on the good judgment of the town manager. I've done it before so I'll do it again And I apologize for kind of wasting our time with this is an agenda item, but Oh, okay. I'm happy to know All those should be All those in favor, please say aye So mr. Manager, we left that in your court for I think the next step and I'll be happy to help them Next up discussion approval board of select minute and manager goals Second the motion and a second. This is chapter lane Uh, so in the board's packet, uh, have are the updated goals coming out of our goal setting session back in, um, in june Updated them revised them as we discussed Attempted to capture best the the board's comments for both the board's goals and then make the town manager's goals match Appropriately or correspond appropriately So I I wanted to provide them to the board And if the board is comfortable with them after reviewing them in the packet We could approve them tonight if there's further discussion. We could do that as well and make further revisions So I'm hoping to what the board's prerogative is in that matter. Well approval. You already did that, mr. All right, just a shake I've fully fine with everything but um, you know Thompson schools on both Oversee the completion and opening. Can we just take those off at this point? Would that be appropriate or we could approve them and check them off as I was going to say Yeah, we have to get some good start at the end of the year sounds good and the last shall be first seven B Continue to recruit and hire qualified professional excellent employees at all levels of the organization is rice You're gonna hire back With this like Exactly. We're so friendly. All right, all though continue to elect No All those in favor, please say I All right Correspondence received Move approval and recommend that we refer the letter from Ms. Dayhill Hughes to the public memorial committee Second In addition, can I suggest that mr. Harrington's be referred to the town manager? He's the Thank you and the bylaw changes from john warden Do we have to I don't I'm not familiar enough with that organization Do we have to approve those are we just he's being I don't think so Right. No, that's a He's just a private organization, right And also asking if they have two openings if somehow we could aid In gathering. I don't know if he's asking us to post it as an opening. Maybe We can certainly comment Thank you that part of that notification, which I appreciate for mr. Warden is that the preservation fund is looking for a couple board members And that's part of the reason they made this change is because they're looking for a couple specialties Down the bottom of page one finance officer and a real estate agent. Yeah who want to join their organization All right, so we have a motion And i'm sure we had a second This is behind i'm sure something Second mr. Burn seconded it all those in favor, please say I Why wouldn't you second it because mr. Burn already did I jump I jump quick on the On our goals Shortest in history great Thank you His rise Thank you, mr. Chair I'm not good at speeches, but I would just like to take the opportunity to thank the board And The town manager's office for all of your support over the past five years that I've been here And I'm gonna miss you all So I'll stop now Thank you. Thank you So on That topic I want to let the board know they were provided with a notice today that we will be celebrating Juliana on september 19th at five o'clock in the select matter and we'll be saying goodbye to juliana So please attend and let anybody else Know to attend that you think is appropriate And I just like to say this being juliana's last meeting before the board. It's been My great professional pleasure to work with juliana and I know we have our work cut out for her finding someone to sit to my left here on every other monday night But I wish juliana the best In the future in her future endeavors One other thing I want to add Those of you who were not at the 5k race yesterday are in the company of Four Athletes in this room here tonight. So I'll let some of the other board members talk about it But it's two board members uh an appointed official as well as a member of the media were uh We're on the uh on the race in the race yesterday. So it was a very successful event That's great Kevin How did you finish? Out of these four Oh Well you first is all I care about you were first Out of these four Yes, out of these four So I only listen listen I was just trying to make sure that nothing happened to them along the track So I came up in the ring and I drove it and I got there ahead of you was But no the only thing you know where we do have another meeting after this I just would like to also publicly thank juliana For her outstanding service I hope that these five years you have enjoyed Working with us here in earlington as much as we've enjoyed having you here And we will be calling you weekly to get things done in the ag's office, but uh, thank you juliana. We'll be less without you Dan Um, I didn't I'll probably echo all the remarks that I said about miss rice juliana The night she announced that she was moving on to a position position with the ag's office, which is that I'm really thrilled just as a woman That we have such a qualified professional woman who now will be going going on to bigger and better and representing everybody well I know she'll succeed and I said it's a testament to her credentials And her experience that this opportunity has come along really hard to pass up I I know you thought long and hard about it because you certainly have missed yourself In earlington and develop the proper skin that you need Especially this town council dealing with the many different entities Entities and I know the attorney general is probably taking note of that that you've continued on and weathered that storm And have come out the better for it. So I wish you nothing, but Good luck good success in your career and good help to you and your family. Thank you Joe I mean, it's just the same note the big big big big hole I mean you've helped you've been very helpful to me not only here But also, you know when I was over at the school committee And I did want to say one thing I forgot to say the last time is that uh, right after Steve and I were elected. I think the first one of the first people who called us and said Um made themselves available to sit down and really review things with us was juliana She said would would you like to have a briefing on you know policies and procedures and and you know matters of Import to a new board member and she's a big manual that she put together and she she went through that with us and She called and contacted us and and offered that and it was um, it's just a great stack to this this Stint so, um, we hope to see you were around Around town. Um, I just had a couple other Other other, um, just brief pieces The race yesterday was was great. Yes. The chaplain was 20th For I think was 126. I was 200th And we want to congratulate mr. Wall was third in his age group. So Which is uh, quite impressive what you can run by your age group Um There was someone in their 60s who finished before me. I saw so No, that's fine and there were a lot of volunteers out There were a lot of people with signs and such around around the town as well as well as the police So it was really well coordinated and a lot of involvement and uh, I think last year they raised about 5 000 they had to raise more than that this year. They're 275 runners. So Uh, great great event. I hope we can keep it keep it going. Um One of uh, remind everybody about Thompson on Those around I think it's this sunday at two o'clock is the official opening although all reports are that the kids have been going Even great and the school is beautiful. I haven't seen it yet. So I hope I get a chance Then um, and lastly, um And this propel commension town day the um ATED is working with um, uncle sam committee This month actually marks the 200th anniversary That uncle sam was recognized as a national symbol in the country and town meeting you may recall approved one of those classic Metal tourism signs and it's going to be unveiled at one o'clock on town day. So You're all invited to to come down and help with the unveiling at at one o'clock to Pick that up and help beautify that spot And we ATED is hoping that that very soon will have the tourism information food there, but the sign will be a great for us a good start Yes, uh, those volunteers joe mentioned were the allington high football team So they were out helping out and uh, that was great of them to get involved Um, that's why they told me to drop and give them 20 Um, other than that, I'll echo everyone else. Just thank juliana. She'll be missed Um, personally and on a professional level and um, I'll see you soon. I'm sure thank you. Yeah, we will Uh, yeah, I don't have anything in the vision to say. I don't have any new businesses. Move to adjourn. We have a motion second We are adjourned