Hello, my name is Nares Salem, and I want to talk to you today about how company culture affects product success and direction. A bit about me, I've been in B2B Enterprise software for 17 years, and those are some of my customers, partners, and companies I worked for. I've been in product roles for 12 years. I have owned different types of products, mostly technically complex and a lot of which are heavy on machine learning. I have also built both product and engineering teams, set product strategy and metrics, all things that are very related to culture, hence today's topic, and I'm also an amateur bird photographer. The agenda for today is I will start as a good product manager by talking about the why, the who, and the what of this talk, and the culture. I want to talk about different aspects of the good debate and the ugly, and then I will give some tips around building culture and assessing culture and some closing words. Let's jump right in with the why. Why culture? Well, product is so ingrained in the decision-making of a company that it ends up being highly dependent on company culture, and that is not the same for different organizations. Sales, for example, and sometimes have a culture that is sort of separate and removed from the rest of the culture of the company, but that does not happen with products. So product direction is highly correlated with company culture, and it is also a topic that is not often addressed, not directly at least, but I do think that it's important, and I think it might also benefit if you're not just looking internally, but trying to understand your competitors, their direction, their actions. And why now? Some of us might have seen recently in the news that there has been a push for productivity from companies such as Google, Meta, Shopify, and that is essentially trying to change the culture. So if that's something that you are thinking about, you have to be thinking about the culture because productivity cannot be separated out from that. So who is this talk for? A lot of people, number one would be product leaders. I think that culture is sort of the missing link that goes into a lot of what product leaders need to do, such as prioritization, the ability to have information flow up to you easily so that you're able to make good decisions and culture affects all of these things. If you're an IC, product manager, you will need to understand the culture in order to be able to work with it. And if you want to take on leadership roles, then you can also help shape it. And for everyone else in tech also to understand the decision-making, I have had conversations with people that have had maybe certain issues, and then I point out that the department they're working with has that type of culture which leads to that type of decision-making, which then results in the interactions that they are having. And people have found that helpful. So hopefully tips today will go along the same lines. So let's define the what. So what is culture? Well, this is the definition of Harvard Business Review. It's defined as the ways people in the organization behave and the attitudes and beliefs that inform those behaviors, i.e. the way we do things here, including formal, stated norms as well as implicit ways people work and interact. And that's a good decision, but Netflix has a simpler, more direct one, which is the actual company values as opposed to the nice sounding values. And these values are shown by who gets rewarded, promoted, or let go. So in essence, the important decisions. And I would also add that hard decisions can manifest in other places, such as incident response. So you cannot say that you are a people first company, and then if someone is mistreated in your company, things get shoved under the rug. And this does not necessarily have to come from male intentions, but I do think that this is something that culture affects a lot. Things like financial decisions. I want to quote Jonathan Nightingale of the Raw Signal Group, and I took their people management course and he mentioned a story in which a company talked about how they value diversity, and he pointed out to the fact that their office, their building was not accessible. They said that they cared a lot about accessibility. He still pointed out that their office was not accessible. So the financial decisions are also showed, show your values and your culture, and high pressure situations. And these can have very profound financial repercussions. So we probably remember the Volkswagen scandal in which the company essentially cheated on car emission metrics. And when this was investigated, it turned out that it happened because people felt that they were under a lot of pressure and that they needed to find a way to make these numbers work. Here is also another example of culture in action versus the nice sounding things again from Netflix. We know the House of Cards was a very successful Netflix show. And then when Kevin Spacey had sexual harassment complaints, Netflix decided to stop, took the decision to stop season six of House of Cards in 20 minutes. And that's a record time. And it didn't have to be sort of escalated to senior management. And that's something that deserves that we stop and think of how it came to happen because for them to be able to do that, that needed things to happen before the actual event, which was actually true because Netflix really cared about the culture. You were, if you're in tech, you're probably seen or heard of the Netflix culture deck. And they had rehearsed situations like those and that's why they were able to make the decisions quickly. So you have to be deliberate before you actually need to make a decision and actual events are the test and they tell you how well your culture is versus what you want it to be. So let's talk about more examples of the good, the bad and the ugly. Let's start with the ugly because it's the short one. Maybe a lot of us have seen toxic cultures. They're very difficult to deal with and I have a magical solution and it is you can just leave. And of course, everyone has different constraints and this is not easy. However, I have seen from a lot of people that I have mentored that they were in toxic situations and they felt the need to persevere and to sort of keep at it and that that would be the good reflection on themselves. So I want to give people permission to leave toxic cultures because I've seen it affect people's both mental and physical health actually. What about the good? What like, think for a second. What comes to your mind when you think about good culture of a product company? You will probably think about being product led, innovative, metrics driven, agile and experimentation. That's all good and nice but you have to keep in mind that every decision is a trade off and as easy as it is to fall in love with these ideas, they might not be suitable for everyone and they might not be suitable for everyone in all of their company's stages. So if you are a small startup that is just starting out and trying to figure out the product that they will build, it's, you cannot state that one of your values is being metrics driven. If you are in healthcare, you're doing a complex product then maybe moving fast and being agile and breaking things does not work very well for you. So the trade offs need to be taken and I think this is the tricky part that leads to the bad side of the culture. So let's talk about some of the examples of where these trade offs on a spectrum can go wrong. So for example, on the speed and alignment will probably be a different ends of a spectrum and you need to decide where you want to be. So if you end up in a situation that looks like this, everyone is running in a different direction then you're probably ended up on the extreme end towards the speed side. If you find that you are in a situation where everyone is super busy, everyone has meetings all day, everyone has a lot of work but results are not being achieved then you might be in a situation in which you have prioritized alignment and are spending so much time on internal alignment that it is really putting and damping up your speed. Keep in mind that we talked about this list of good things but too much of a good thing is a bad thing and it can end up being a spoiler to your culture. So here are some examples. Collaboration is a nice sounding great value but if you prioritize that too much you will end up in the situation that we were describing which I actually borrowed this just from Marty Kagan when he was talking about prioritizing stakeholder alignment versus following a product strategy. But here is something else that a lot of people are a fan of which is the agile software development process. However, if you take any process agile included to the letter you will end up prioritizing the process over the results and I'll also mention this code which is from Boss Tweed and if the name sounds familiar that's because this is actually a real life character that was portrayed in the Gangs of New York movie. I heard that quote in the movie and it stuck with me because I thought it was very profound and subtle and at the same time the appearance of the law must be upheld especially when it's being broken and I've seen that happen with the agile process. If you forget that the goal of the agile process is to make you responsive to customers and needs and the market changes and you get so hung up on the actual rituals then you're probably doing more harm than good. Being metrics driven is a great thing but we have seen that this can actually lead if you overdo it and you're hyper focused on the metrics that you have achieved in the past and how you can increase them in the future then you can end up losing touch with your customers and I personally think that this was one of the factors that have led to some of the recent tech layoffs that we have seen. There was an expectation by multiple product companies that the demand and growth for digital that they have seen during the pandemic would not just continue but would actually grow post pandemic and this doesn't turn out to be the case because there was not what customers wanted or needed. Experimentation is also a great thing but I have actually seen it as sort of an excuse in low focus and again to make hard decisions for what to choose and as Steve Jobs said innovation is saying no to a thousand things to a thousand good things because you need to choose what to focus on and you can just say well just keep experimenting in different directions because then you might end up losing focus. So we have said that culture is difficult to build and to change and to define even how do we even go about building culture? Well, the first step that you would need to do is to decide and you need to decide on your values. You need to decide on the trade-offs because they are trade-offs. You need to decide where you want to fall on the different spectrum of values and in order to do that, I have personally found that it is very, very helpful to choose people that are different and that what brings to light where your shortages are and extenuates these differences that might not otherwise show. So a lot of companies have culture fit interviews. I think culture fit interviews should be flipped on their heads and used as a tool to include people that have different backgrounds, different skills, different experiences and just diverse on so many different personal and professional criteria and that helps you see what your culture is and how you can change it. If people know Alain de Baton, he is a writer, philosopher and talks about self-discovery and self-knowledge which is a tricky thing. And he says that this knowledge is probably out there in the world outside you about yourself more than it is within you, which is very interesting.  They're just there to have a good time. So if we apply that to business for companies, for leaders, self-knowledge is not easy and you have to be, I think, listening to the ICs, listen to the leaves of your organization because they know but they might not be telling you. So listen to what they have to say and find the trends. You'll probably find differing opinions but you will probably also find trends within the feedback that you get and you might need to read between the lines especially if you're in the management position. So how do we go about then changing a culture? Well, if you have done the homework that we just talked about, you'll probably be able to gauge the delta between where you want to go and how things are on the ground. Everyone needs to be involved and you need to take a very close look at your reward system because that's, as per Netflix's definition, where culture really comes into play. You need to educate people, especially if there is going to be a big change, especially if this is, say, a startup that is scaling and hiring a lot of people quickly. Education needs to be a big part of it and keep in mind that change is a process. It takes time and get help if needed. This is an area where either an advisor or a consultant can contribute a lot if that's an area of focus of theirs and here is a litmus test or a thermometer that I will throw out there. Find out how minorities feel in your company and that's going to be a very good indicator to the culture and to the success of change. If you are out there to include different opinions or you want to collaborative culture or you want to prioritize certain things such as success in getting things done, minorities would be able to tell you a lot of how well that you're doing. Here are also some tips for you if you want to assess the culture in an interview. A lot of people tell me that they find it very hard to assess the cultures of companies they're interviewing with because when they ask questions, they only get ideal answers, which is tricky. That's true. But here is my advice to interviewees. I would recommend that you optimize learning. Look for companies that are not just similar to places you've been to in the past and things that you've worked on in the past but also carry some learning for you. That's very, very useful if you're starting out your career. It's very, very useful if you, for example, are in the middle of your career and you want to get into management. Seeing different things gives you way more experience than staying in the same company or staying in very similar companies. Doing your research, here is a real-life example. I was interviewing with the company and I checked their class door and there was a trend in the employee feedback. I asked about it in the interview and from the response I got I decided this is not really a company that I would like to work for. And ask hard questions and ask about the leadership. I asked if this is a product-led company or a sales-led company or a founder's-led company. And you would be able to assess a lot from the decision-making process of companies. So for example, if this is at 20 people start up and they just hired their first product hire and they're saying that this is a product-led company then probably something here needs to be dug into to be discovered more. So read between the lines and also ask the same question to different people because then you would be able to gauge how aligned people are. We've spoken about how alignment and speed are on the spectrum so it doesn't necessarily have to be a good thing. That's the tricky part. But if you ask for example, what's the primary goal of this product area and different people say different things then that's something that you might want to consider. And again, hereby I give you permission to ask to talk to more people other than the people that you have interviewed. It's okay for example, if you're interviewing with say a hundred person company and you're a product manager to ask to talk to the CEO because we have been talking about how decision-making is so related to product and it will affect the CEO will probably in a direct or indirect way affect your ability to succeed in your role.  Culture affects decision-making and product success. So you have to pay a lot of attention to it and educate yourself. You have to decide on your trade-offs. Nice sounding values will just not get you there. You have to decide what to prioritize and what to trade off with. And if you don't actively define your culture it will probably end up getting defined for you. And depending on your stage that might be a good or a bad thing but you just have to be aware. I highly recommend people who haven't checked out the Netflix culture deck to do so. Gibson Biddle actually tackled the issue of culture heads on. So I would also highly recommend his talk how Netflix built an innovative culture by Gibson Biddle. When Marcy Kagan talks about product strategy a lot of the things he talks about are related to culture like the stakeholder idea that I talked about. So that's also a great reference that I found. Thank you so much for listening. Hope this was useful. You can find me on my website, nahelasalem.com if you have further questions or you have a situation that you would like to discuss. Thanks again.


So I just finished up at the gym. I am so tired today because it was daylight savings this weekend and the clock went back. No, the clock went forward an hour. So technically we lost an hour of sleep. And I think it's still affecting me. Like my body thinks that it's an hour earlier. So I've been falling asleep like an hour later, but still waking up at the same time. So I think that's kind of messing with me because I'm like so tired this morning. And even though it's just like one hour, it still like makes a difference, okay? Cause I need my beauty sleep and I am, I always say this, I just feel like I run off of sleep a lot more than the average person, which may not be true. I get sleep like this weekend. I slept 12 hours uninterrupted. I didn't pee, I didn't wake up, knocked out like a solid brick, okay? That is literally the definition of my life. Like I just love my sleep. And I've been like this ever since I was a baby. My mom has always said like, you've always slept so long and so good as a baby. It just, it's just in me. Like it's just me. And when I don't get enough sleep, it literally affects me mentally, physically. Like I just can't function properly. And I know some people, like for example, my dad, he can get like five hours of sleep and he's completely functioning and he's fine. Some people just don't need that much, but I need like 12 hours of sleep. I feel great. And I don't actually get 12 hours of sleep every night. That's so excessive, but I get at least minimum, minimum, minimum, it's eight. And if I can get like nine and a half, that's like a sweet spot for me. But anyways, I'm really, really happy I got that workout done with because I was just tired this morning. And I didn't feel like doing anything because it's raining especially. Like what, what am I supposed to feel? Honestly though, next, I can't complain because next week is supposed to be sunny and 20 degrees like all week, which is beautiful. Next week is my birthday. So I don't want to jinx it, but there hasn't been a year that it hasn't been sunny on my birthday. And it looks like this year is going to be the same, which is kind of crazy. So that's a sleigh. My birthday's on St. Patrick's Day by the way. So it's actually just coming Sunday. Oh my gosh guys, at the end of the week, I'm also getting my haircut.  And if I don't book it, like I'm never going to go. So I just had to book it and I'm really excited. There's nothing like a fresh haircut. Anyway, so I'm just going to go in grocery shopping right now. I really just feel like soup for dinner. I don't know why, but I'm going to buy some ingredients to make some soup. That's the vibe for today. Also recently time, it's just been going by like extra, extra, extra fast. The weeks have been flying by like it's already Tuesday. I kind of adjusted my schedule a bit. So Monday, I kind of take the day a little bit slower and I clean, I reset, and I just do a lot of computer work. Like Mondays, I cut out filming because I just feel like I can ease myself into the week way better than that. That's why these vlogs are always starting on Tuesday now. I felt like I just needed one more weekend day, not weekend, because I still like do work and stuff, but more so just the day to not film and to just really reset the house, reset my life before I start filming for the week ahead if that makes sense. So anyways, I can't believe it's already Tuesday. I'm gonna aim to be in there for like 20, 30 minutes tops. So let's get her done quick. When I was shopping at the States just recently, I got one extra Trader Joe's bag. So now I have two of them. These are only like $4, I think, and they're the best reusable bags in the world. Like I will vouch for these. The quality is amazing and they're so huge. They're not like overly big. They're like the perfect big size. I don't even know how to describe it. These are the best bags ever. I really wanted to get their mini ones because I saw they came out with them, but they didn't have them at the Trader Joe's that we went to, which sucks. But these are like my go-to and I'm so happy I got two now. Bringing these in the summer to like the farmer's market is gonna be so nice. Here is the little grocery haul. So I just got some bone broth for the soup, some ginger ale, no, not ginger ale. These are root beer, ZPS.  Got some cottage cheese, got some kombucha, some sparkling water, some kale for the soup.  I hate when I get it and it's like all droopy, but this one is so fresh and big and nice. And then I just got these four bags of chips. These are made with brown rice and olive oil. So it's so, so good because there's no canola oil. These are kind of like a healthier version of a Dorito. But yeah, I vouch for these. These are so good. I'm just about to leave the house into the mall and then potentially back here. This is my outfit called my new Sambazon. Just wanted to be super comfy today. The weather's kind of awkward. It's like hot, but cold, but sunny, but raining. So I have all these sweats, just wanted to be comfy. And then I have a crew neck that I could put on, but I'm kind of hot right now. So I'm just wearing this long sleeve from Oritzia. This is from Garage, Oritzia and Oritzia. And that is a little outfit of the day. I just wanted to show you guys, but just waiting for her to arrive and then we're gonna get going. Hey guys, so I am now home from my outing. I just had dinner, just chillax for a bit and I had to get up my YouTube short, edit that cause I filmed it this morning and also my TikTok. So I got my little morning routine up, which feels good. And I literally finished editing it. And then my computer, I think I accidentally unplugged it with my foot cause I was like playing around with my feet. And then I completely deleted all of my editing.  And I was like, yeah, take a deep breath. I'm just gonna, it's fine. I'm just gonna re-edit it, took an extra half an hour, but it's fine, everything's meant to be. Anyway, so I hung out with Talia yesterday. As I already said, I ended up buying Madison's gift because her birthday was actually last week and I haven't gotten her a gift yet. I just told her her gift is gonna be delayed and I ended up just like shopping for her.  It was so fun, you guys. Like when it comes to spending money on myself, I'm always so like conservative and I'm like, do I need it? No, I'll save it instead.  Like I'm very conservative, but when I like, I'm shopping for a gift and for somebody, I am swiping that credit card.  Giving a gift to me is so much better and such a more like rewarding feeling than getting a gift. I just thrive off of giving gifts. Like I love seeing people happy after I give them a gift. You know what I mean? Like I just love giving and it's just, even with Christmas, like I'd rather buy someone something and see them open it than me get a gift from them. I don't even think about that, you know? Anyway, so I just had the most fun time shopping for her. I got her a butter workout set. I'm not gonna unbox now because it's all like packaged, but actually I'll show you a couple things because in this bag, this one's something that's open. So I just don't want to open them with TS stuff. How freaking cute. I'm actually really disappointed that I didn't get myself one. What was I thinking? But so cute. And then I got her also a little summer Fridays mint lip balm.  But like, why am I so conservative when it comes to myself? I need to treat myself like this all the time. But I feel like as a bigger sister, I have like a duty to spoil my younger sister. Like it's just how it should be, you know? And the reason why I chose to get her clothes is because she always spends her money on shoes, at least she used to, and she would never buy clothes. And I was always the opposite where I would always buy clothes and she would always buy shoes. And so like, I have a pretty good amount of clothes. Like I'm always kind of buying new clothes and I never really spent my money on shoes. So I have like an abundance of clothes and she's like the opposite.  Anyways, I have a 7 a.m. workout class, power core class tomorrow at Oxygen Yoga and Fitness. So I'm gonna get to bed now. It's already nine o'clock since the daylight savings time change happened. It's been getting darker so much later. And so that is like screwed with me mentally because when it's like eight o'clock, I think it's like six o'clock. And then I'm just acting like it's six o'clock.  So it's already nine o'clock. I need to go to bed in like less than half an hour. So I'm gonna get myself ready for bed, wash my face and everything. And I just had leftovers for dinner, so nothing really special. But anyways, I'm gonna go to bed. I love you guys so much and I'll see you tomorrow. I got coffee, got myself ready for the day and I've just been editing. I'm about to finish last week's vlog today so that I can upload it either tonight or tomorrow, but probably not gonna get uploaded till tomorrow realistically once I finish the thumbnail and everything. I wanted to get it done by today but I just don't think that's gonna happen and I hate rushing videos. There's like a lot that actually goes into uploading a YouTube video. It's not like, oh, slap something together, upload it and it's done. You have to create the title, you have to create the thumbnail, you have to upload it, make sure there's no copyright strikes. You have to export it, make sure it's all good. You have to do the end screen, like to do the links. Like there's a lot that goes into it more than you think. Anyways, so that's the vibe right now. I completely forgot to vlog my breakfast but I had like a yam egg bowl this morning. It was so good. But you guys have seen it before, just my regular. I just got a package in from Amazon and I got some shoe spray because as you guys know, I'm in my shoe era and I have just been wanting to purchase more shoes recently since like that's something I've never really thought about and put money into. I've always just bought clothes for myself. So anyways, been in my shoe era so I bought this spray on Amazon. It was really like $13 and it's called MB Protects Water Seen in Protector. So I'm gonna spray on my new shoes with this. I only have two new pairs of shoes right now but like I am planning on ordering more. So this is gonna be nice to have around because I am somebody that is so clumsy. I'm so messy when it comes to eating, when it comes to taking care of my clothes. I always spill. And so I already know that's a recipe for disaster when it comes to my shoes because I'm just gonna get them so dirty. So at least having this Protector Sprite is gonna make me feel a little bit better. That's a tea I will link this down below because it was so super cheap and had really good reviews. I was just like planning out my content and I'm gonna be filming a spring reset pretty soon. So I'm really excited. I think I'm gonna do two separate videos.  I wanna deep clean everything and I feel like it's just gonna feel so good. But I'm excited to do that. I'm actually probably gonna do that next week. So yeah, but anyways, I'm gonna go upstairs right now. I'm gonna do some laundry because I wanna get that done and then I'm probably just gonna spray my shoes outside right now real quick. And then just hopefully finish editing the video and I need to film a night routine tonight because that has been so highly requested.  So it'll already be up. So go check that out. That is the tea, nothing crazy going on. Let me know, comment down below if you guys like seeing home blogs better or do you like when I take the camera out or do you like a mix of both? Cause like I don't know why personally I just love seeing people in their house. Like I love a good home vlog. Sometimes when they go out and do too many things I don't like it. Like I don't know why because I'm a homebody at my core. But let me know like what kind of content you guys like to watch from me specifically if you like when I'm vlogging in the house if you like a mix of both or if you just like really vibe with the home concept. We put up some new frames, let me show you guys. So we just hung this frame I showed you guys in my last vlog. I got it from Ross mistakes when we went across the border but how cute. I just think it really adds to our little living room here. And I think that it just looks so cute. This wall was really blind before and I just needed something. It looks kind of small on camera but I promise it looks really good and it like fits the space in person. Definitely could be a little bit bigger but I really like the little dainty sides of it. I think it looks really, really cute up close of it. I think it's adorable and I love like this type style of painting. It's like a vintage-esque flowery painting. I just love this style so much and the frame is super, super cute. And I just think it really completes this room because I've been wanting to put something on this wall for so long now. So it's just perfect I think. These were the shoes that I was talking about that I showed you guys in my last vlog that I'm going to spray right now with this little spray. I'm gonna just put them on the deck and just spray them quickly and then I think it needs two coats. So we'll do the first one right now and then finish them off later. Just sprayed my shoes and I hope it works. I mean, I can't really tell. It doesn't look like there's a coating on them which is a good thing but they should be water repellent, et cetera which most of the fabric already is because they're like leathery on this part but this is kind of like fabric so I extra sprayed that. But hopefully I can keep these clean so pray for me. But I'm so excited to start my shoe collection you guys. I'm gonna be buying a new pair like every month because I'm obsessed. But anyways, successful spray. They're all done. I just transferred my laundry. I'm just currently still editing and just for reference how long these videos take me to edit I wanna show you guys this. So this is my whole timeline, okay? And this video is 41 minutes and 50 seconds. I already rough cut everything and that took me a few hours in itself just to rough cut and now I'm going and adding all the text, all the music and everything making sure everything is good. I still need to add the intro, still need to add the outro. Anyways, as you can see the overlay is I only have edited until there and I still got this whole video to go. This section already took me two and a half hours to edit. Imagine how long it's gonna take me to edit the rest of this. Like editing is no joke. It is very, very time consuming. I am going to be filling a night routine tonight. So I'm going to end this portion of the vlog off here and I won't see you guys till tomorrow. But if you wanna see how my night goes and what I do for my night routine then definitely watch that video because it's already up if you haven't already. So go check that out to add a little bit of oomph to this vlog or you can watch it after. You can pause this, watch it or watch it after. But yeah, so if you wanna continue the night with me go watch that. Most of my night is just gonna be cooking dinner, editing this vlog, et cetera. So yeah, I feel like I have not done an actual night routine in so long. So I'm excited to film this and show you guys what I do. It's very, very chilled out. It's very realistic. Like I'm not adding anything that I don't do that I'm gonna fake. You know what I mean? I've been really trying to keep on top of my editing because I always leave it till the last minute because I'm filming all week. I'm editing other things like I have my short form I edit and stuff. And I always leave my videos for like the last second to edit and then I'm working on the weekends which I hate doing. And so I've been trying to really, really get ahead with my editing and just get it all done a few days in advance so that I'm not scrambling last minute. And I always underestimate the time it's gonna take me to edit a video and then I'm like so overwhelmed and it's also cause these videos are super long so it takes like double the time of like a normal 20 minute video you would see. And I'm also really, really picky about the music that I put in my vlogs. I think one of the longest parts it takes me when I edit is finding the music. I have a subscription to Epidemic Sound but it's like I need the perfect songs in my videos. I am so specific with the music that I choose and I need it to be perfect and fit the whole vibe of the video cause essentially I'm making a movie. Like I'm telling a story, I'm making a movie and the music needs to be perfect in order for my vision to come to life with the vlog. I feel like the viewer sometimes doesn't notice these things but when you notice some of these videos you're like wow I really like them I feel like it's always a combination of like they're editing with their personality and the music they choose, you know what I mean? I'm just very, very picky with how my vlogs are edited, how they look and that's why I don't know if I can ever get an editor because I'm just like have trust issues with that and I just need my hands on the video even though it's very, very time consuming. Anyway, so that's what I'll see on the background of editing and stuff but I probably spend more than the average person time looking for music cause I'm so specific. I also don't use the same songs over and over again cause some YouTubers do, they just literally reuse and recycle their songs which is fine but personally I like to make every video super different and change up the font, change up the music so it's not like you're watching a repetitive video every week even though it's like still me and the stuff I do is kind of repetitive I wanna change up the vibe of the videos to make it a little more interesting cause you never know what you're gonna get. A lot more time goes into just that than you would think so it's not like oh I just slapped a round of things together like this is all thought out, you know? But anyways, I'm gonna go for my night routine now start it cause it's already 4.29, wow it's 4.30 it just like does not feel like 4.30 to me like I've already said cause daylight savings that's just like messing with my head.  This is the painting we put up in the bedroom I love it so much it matches the one downstairs it's the exact same frame, exact same size and I think it's so cute it just adds like the best aesthetic to this room this wall was so plain before. Thank you so much to Squarespace for sponsoring today's video. 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Good morning you guys I'm just about to leave the house to the gym it's currently around 6.50 so not too early today, not too late I just kind of wanted to get everything done before 10 o'clock cause I also need to go grocery shopping after for some reason I just have not been into the gym lately like I have been having to force myself to go usually I go through phases with the gym like sometimes I won't mind it I'll like it and then other times I'm just like I do not wanna go and that's how I feel today I was talking to my friend Talia yesterday and we were saying how it's so much easier and funner to go to the gym when you have a gym buddy because they'll kind of hold you accountable you guys can drive there together they can pick you up and then it's like it's just a more fun activity you could get like a smoothie afterwards or something it's just more motivational but I don't know why what it is about going to the gym solo sometimes it's just so unmotivating there's one part of me that does like being in my own world in the gym where it's like I put my headphones on but like on podcast music whatever and then you're just like on your own I do like that but at the same time it's like sometimes it just gets super like boring and you want you almost sometimes need that extra kind of motivation you know and sometimes when I go to the gym I leave and I don't feel like I gave it my all and sometimes I'll just be like I wanna leave now and then you could just leave like it's not a class that's why I am up ride or die and workout class and girly and apparently there's a Pilates studio coming somewhere near me soon like a new one so I am so excited to try Reformer Pilates cause I've never tried that before and so I'm gonna sign myself up once that arrives hopefully try out some Reformer Pilates and get more into that and then maybe I won't go to the gym anymore or maybe I'll go once a week to the gym we'll see but right now my split is twice a week at oxygen you'll go to fitness which I love and then twice a week at the gym so I go work out around four times a week which is like perfect for me and they're all like really hardcore workouts so anyways, that's the vibe I'm just really having to force myself to go to the gym here and that's why I wanted to wake up earlier and do it because I get lazier as the day goes on I almost have to just wake up and literally just push my butt out the door in order for me to follow through with it so that's the vibe today but sometimes it's like even though you don't wanna do something you know it's gonna benefit your future self and that's like a big goal that I have for myself this year is to do things in the moment that are gonna benefit my future self because I have always put things off I'm a procrastinator and I just know that like forcing myself now to go to the gym is actually really healthy because I'm gonna be so happy I did it right after it started I would like thank God I did that because now it just feels so good you know so anyways I've just not really been in my gym era I've been not liking the gym as much and it just always ebb and flow but I want a gym buddy Tali and I were like I wish we could be gym buddies but she lives like half an hour away from me so it just really makes sense anyways I'm gonna go leave the house and I will talk to you guys later when I'm grocery shopping I'm so happy that I went I just feel like when it comes to working out it's like through my videos I feel like I always make it look so easy I always make waking up early look so easy but to be quite honest with you it is not like waking up early for me is so hard and I really really really have to push myself to do it and just like basically force myself but that is like the version of myself that I want to become and when you have a version of yourself that you want to become you can become that just because I know myself for not being a morning person and not being able to wake up early in the past doesn't mean that that dictates my future that's something that I'm taking on in 2024 if you wanna become a certain type of way if you wanna become the best version of yourself a certain type of version of yourself you could do it you just have to kind of change things if you wanna become a morning person start sending your alarms a little bit earlier you know what I mean if you wanna be somebody who works out start with one workout a week and then build from there and then eventually you're gonna be that person that you want it to become and people are gonna end up knowing you for that you know so you're the one who dictates that it's like I can live my whole life by saying oh I'm not a morning person I always sleep on lazy in the morning I don't have a routine but then I'm literally just making that into my reality like I'm the one manifesting that and I'm the one physically doing that so it's like if you wanna change things you could change things and you can make yourself a morning person it might be a little bit hard at first but I mean it's still like to this day I've been waking up early for a while now and it's still pretty honestly hard for me to do it but it's worth the sacrifice because that's how I wanna show up for myself at the end of the day and so you just kinda have to decide that for yourself like how you wanna show up for yourself and it feels good to really push myself and challenge myself and see what I can do obviously with a healthy balance between like listening to my body and still working within my parameters but at the same time I love a good challenge I love a good structure I love routine because I would say naturally in my past I'm just not a very structured person but I really have become more of a structured person and more of a routine girl and I just love where I'm at right now so yes even though I did not wanna go to the gym I'm gonna force myself to go to the gym because I know I'm gonna be really happy I did so anyways that's a little rundown about like if you wanna change things in your life you can do it don't put any limiting beliefs on yourself because those are the only things that are gonna get in your way cause at the end of the day you could do whatever you want and you could do whatever you set your mind to it's all in your head it's literally all in your head you create those boundaries for yourself and you break those could break those boundaries for yourself so anyways the weather has been so fricking sunny and it's so beautiful I think today is technically in the weather the last day of sun and then it's gonna go back to rain which sucks but I'm gonna enjoy today as much as I can maybe go on a walk later too cause the sunrise was so beautiful this morning when I was driving to the gym oh my goodness but I'm officially 24 guys my birthday was over this weekend actually my birthday was on March 17 I know this vlog is not gonna be out this week so I don't know when it's coming out but I'm 24 and it feels like I'm entering kind of a new era and I'm really excited about it and every single year I get older it's a little bit scary I'm not gonna lie but at the same time it's like you have to be so thankful for every single year you turn because not everybody gets to live as long as you do and so it's like I'm trying to look at it in that light rather than like oh my gosh I'm like literally in my mid 20s now which is crazy or almost in my mid 20s I don't know it's 24 mid 20s or early 20s still I feel like it's like borderline but I think it's I think it's mid but it's like yeah I'm just trying to look at it rather than being scared of getting older I'm trying to look at it in a way of like okay this is actually a really good thing and I'm so grateful that I'm 24 like not everybody gets to see this age and where I'm at in my life like I'm super happy and there's all these like expectations that come with every certain number like oh by 23 you have to have a stable nine to five job and then make a lot of money and then by 28 or 25 or whatever you have to get married and start a family to buy a house whatever but it's like you don't need to actually abide to any of that your journey is your journey your path is your path and if that looks different to another person your age that is okay and that is a whole point of having a unique journey because if all of us live the same life things would be so boring like what would be the point of that so anyways long story short I'm 24 and it's going to be a slay year I also follow the year so I'm a 2000s baby I'm going to go grocery shopping now because Joel needs oh shoot it's already nine I need to be out of here by nine because Joel needs the car for work today so we actually have to schedule I literally talked for so long just now I already have my grocery list pre-written just got to get a few things not too much so I'm going to go in quickly let's get shopping here's my little breakfast I did an omelet two egg omelet with bacon, onion and spinach and then put avocado over top this is the goat cheese and then some raspberries and then obviously I'm going to probably put some Sriracha over top but how yummy is that you're good after gym meal lots of protein and so I'm going to munch this up right now omelets are so easy and quick to make I feel like I never make them anymore so underrated I'm definitely going to be making more omelets so I got these two floral printed shirts how freaking cute the neckline is just so good and they fit so nicely like the cuffs are so nice and they're long, they're not like cropped and they're just like perfect little baby tees to hang around the house in put on whenever I'm just like need, you know cute shirt moment but yeah, I love myself just like really soft nice shirts like this so I like I said I've been a little bit bored with my wardrobe lately so I thought I would get a couple new shirts to wear when I don't know what to wear they're from the brand Harlow I got them a boat house so you guys can look online but this brand actually has such good things I've realized and then you guys I might have bought myself a new pair of shoes look at how cute are you kidding me I just love the color of these the green I am so obsessed with and I just think that they could spice up an outfit and they were only a hundred bucks $99 which is pretty cheap for like a shoe like this and yeah, I've never honestly like I haven't seen these online I just kind of walked past them in the window and I'm like, oh wow, those are cute and I tried them on and I really liked them so these are a sleigh and I feel like wearing these with jeans and just like a basic top would be really cute they're called the grand court alpha so I guess they're technically tennis shoes I don't know one thing about these is they are so comfortable they have like the memory it says like cloud memory form at the bottom I could probably walk in these for like five hours straight and my feet wouldn't hurt they're so so so comfortable and I feel like they're not really hyped up right now so get them while you can because these are so nice I personally really really like them and they're from famous footwear so that is a sleigh but yeah, wanted to show you guys my little mall hall Hey guys, I just got ready because I'm about to go hang out with a friend we're gonna go thrifting I've been itching to thrift lately so we're gonna go thrifting and then we're gonna go, we're gonna go get a coffee and then we're gonna go thrifting and we're going to this value village location that's apparently really good excuse the vacuum, dual vacuuming right now but I'm just about to leave the house and yeah, I just wanted to show you guys my little outfit, this prunic is thrifted and then I'm just wearing my sweats that I got from Garage they're like wide leg with my Adidas Sambas a cute outfit and yeah, I just wanted to be super comfy because when I'm thrifting I like to be able to have my arms just like, you know this is like a good thrifting outfit because it's comfy, I'm not gonna get irritated and yeah, so I'm gonna leave now I will take you guys shopping with us and I'll give you guys a hold when I'm back if I get anything but yeah, I'm excited I just got to the cafe it is pouring rain today the weather has just been like up and down it's been like super nice and then all of a sudden just like pouring torrential downpour stormy skies but I guess that's spring, right? April showers brings May flowers but we're almost in May now so it's like, okay, where are the flowers and where is the sun? It's so funny because we're so used to having rain in Vancouver here it rains basically in the winter I'm not even joking, every single day and it's so funny when I see people that live in LA and stuff in their vlogs rain is literally our everyday life here it's actually insane now that I think about it anyways, yeah, if you guys ever come to Vancouver come in the summer because that's when you're gonna get the nice weather but anyways, I'm just waiting for Marilyn and then we're gonna go get a coffee don't you kind of perceive it differently? I think it really suits you personally what, made well is it made well? yeah okay, that's $160 for sure for sure oh, that's... you're like, rain and cycling wait, wait, wait do you accept this, like, kind of, we don't know? okay, but I think I can do something with it like, you can't tell me I can't do something with it it's just amazing the part that's confusing we don't... I've known is like, what to wear here yes, like, like this where did the boobies go? it seems to be not out yeah, that's the goal the nipples can't be shown that's a sleigh this is the top section and I think it's like the perfect length because it's not too long like, it's the perfect length it literally is the perfect length it's teeny tiny, but like... yeah hey guys, little thrift haul I ended up really refining the pieces because I just don't wanna buy anything that I don't love and I'm not gonna wear so I got this vase how cute this is perfect for spring and I love this color combo, the blue and the white, so cute and I got this cheetah print dress you guys, cheetah print is so in right now and I'm obsessed and it's basically just like a tight, cute little dress where's the front? here's the front but how cute for the summer this will be a sleigh and then I just got this as you guys saw already I think this bow, little tank thing lingerie piece except I'm gonna use it for like a going out top don't know what the situation's gonna be for the undergarments but I just couldn't pass it up because I just think that this is so adorable I couldn't say no to her so I'm gonna have to figure out how I'm gonna style this let me know if you guys have any recommendations down below but I just love this piece so much I could not pass it up yeah, I feel like this would just be so cute with a black mini skirt I've been wanting to get like little more little cute tops like this but I just, I don't know I haven't been able to find them and I feel like thrifting is such a good way to accumulate unique little pieces so I definitely wanna amp up my tank top game for the summer with just like really cute, unique pieces like this the last little piece I got is this tank it's kind of like an athletic tank top but I like how it's not cropped and I don't know, I really like the neckline and like the white around here and I feel like this would be just super cute with like a jean skirt or something I don't know, I really see a vision here for the summer, just like a casual tank with even like jean shorts I was expecting to come home with more but I really, really like the pieces that I got so I'm happy


So I should never talk into this okay okay hello I'm trying all my check this is like I've got on And we get to ignore those right okay, so don't Would like to ask you to take your seats We will start in a minute So I hope you are ready and full of energy and Excitement for the for the next talk So I think we are Ready guys So please warmly welcome Brian Exelbeard and Navi shake Thank you very much It's great to be here. I want to thank the conference organizers for what they've done It's been fantastic. I hope you all are ready for this. So I'm Brian Exelbeard I work for Red Hat. I work with project atomic I work specifically on the atomic developer bundle with my colleague Who I'll let introduce himself. Hi, this is the beat I work for red hat and I mostly have one atomic developer bundle and it's Connection with the client side tools. I'm from India And I guess I'll add I'm from America But I live here so you can ask all of your check language questions to someone else Because I'm yeah struggling So anyway, we're here to talk about the atomic developer bundle today, but we had a couple of questions first How many people here would describe themselves as mostly on a dev or mostly on the dev side of the equation just by show of hands? Okay, so for those watching the live stream that was about 4,000 people in the audience And how many of you would describe yourselves as mostly on the ops side of the equation and so I'm assuming the other 3,000 people showed up today to find out how computers work Okay, that good love to see that Second question is how many of you work in an environment where a hundred percent of the computers are all running the same operating system? And I'm talking about the desktops or laptops Okay, I want to talk to you guys later because I'm very interested in how that happened So I'm seeing that like 99% of the people here on a mixed development mixed Environment for their local computers and that's good to hear so we're here to talk about the atomic developer bundle and Naveed take it away. Yep. Oh, wait. Sorry. I'm the first love So what's the problem? Well, we're trying to make Linux container development easy That's the goals of project atomic and we want this to be easy for developers of all stripes We want to look at uniform development environments. That's what everybody wants in their organization The problem is that developers tended like diversity They have their own particular setups. They like their own particular tools. They like their own particular builds They like their own particular editors, whatever the case may be So we need to find a balance between what's going to make what comes out of the process great for operations But what goes into the process has the level of feel that's going to make developers productive We want to help developers concentrate on development. We want to help operators concentrate on operations We don't want a lot of people to spend a lot of time doing things across the work where it's not productive work So for example, if you're deploying a new orchestrator for your containers Your developers just need an environment they can dev in they shouldn't spend three weeks learning how to configure an Orchestrator just so that they can get started The other thing is since 99% of us work in environments with mixed operating systems Not all the operating systems support what we're doing in production. You can't run Linux containers natively on Windows and Mac we need to help people out there and We're also seeing that a lot of the tools that have come out in the market to try and solve some of these problems They're not necessarily all open and they're not necessarily all generic in their usability A lot of them have very specific use cases or trying to feed very specific tool chains Yep, so Solution to the problems that we have so we have come up with a platform independent developer environment tool Where a developer who is running on Windows or Mac or Linux should be able to develop on containers So this basically we have come up with a vagrant box Which is platform independence so that developers running on non-linux platform should be able to use these of vagrant boxes this vagrant box to Containize their of them containerize their applications and to be able to to enable them to work on containers So what all things we have in this? Vagrant box so we have pre-configured tools for example different types of Orchestrators like Docker Kubernetes open-shift mesos marathon. This also this box is extensible So this does not this work does not enforce Developer or DevOps to use particular stack for example a stack from a particular vendor like Docker Docker machine It does not Enforce a developer to use particular set of a stack. So a developer is free To choose the orchestrator that developer wants to containerize its application upon and pull the respective box and start hacking so We also we have also come up with the liquid specification visit which is a way to Define your application in a way that your application is Is packaged once and is able to be deployed on the different orchestrator So to demo about the vagrant box or adb we have come up with three different use cases command line with Carla ID Igor and my environment Mike. So Let's start with the demo So command line Carla so Carla wants just a command command line She doesn't want rest and she doesn't want to pollute her machine With the development tools that she's going to configure on this box So in this demo we are going to see a Sample vagrant file which we have in our repository and this vagrant file configures a vagrant box With the Kubernetes So as you can see you can pull in this vagrant file just Have it and do vagrant up So Carla has a vagrant box which is adb and it has Kubernetes pre-configured in it in it now Carla gets gets access to Kubernetes So as we can see the Kubernetes is running here with a single note set up So we have configured Kubernetes with single note set up here master and minion is residing in the same box And we also have we also can we have also configured Docker here So the Docker which is running here is running on local units you unique socket as well as the TCP port so that The color can run the Docker locally as well as from the client from different client like the Docker client from offset The box and using the eclipse So here Carla gets Access to the box Using command line with different tools pre-configured now if Carla wants to Deploy his application and test his application using Kubernetes She does not really need to worry about setting up Kubernetes on the box She just need to do vagrant up and start with start with hacking the second use case that we have is ID Igor so Igor always works on ID so the example that we are going to demo here is of eclipse Igor does not really want to know about that Does not really want to know about the underlying is stuff. That's happening Igor just cares about That this is my application which is in my eclipse and I want to containerize my application So Igor gets and so we have enabled this tooling using different plugins One of the plug-in that we have come up with its name is vagrant even for which is going to be renamed soon So I'll talk about that. So this plug-in this configures Igor's environment and In a way that different client-side tooling can connect to the Docker daemon or different services that are running inside the box So I'll demo point So here all Igor needs to do is get a vagrant file. That's it And since we are using virtual box as a provider via we have configured the private networking Vagrant up Yep, so I already have the vagrant box up and running and I need to execute this plug-in. So I'll show you Plug-in name is vagrant adb info So here as you can see The plug-in is doing doing two things one is first It is copying over this required client-side search for Docker client to connect to the Docker daemon Which is running inside the box because as I mentioned earlier the Docker daemon inside the box is configured to run over TCP And it is protected using the TLS So for any client which wants to connect to Docker daemon inside the box the client need required client-side search So this daemon is doing This plug-in is copying over the search from inside the box to the host machine and displaying that this information These required environment variables are necessary for any client to connect to the daemon inside the box So the last line in the output as you can see if you just Well Evaluate all the environment variables the client should be ready to work So in eclipse we have a docker plug-in which consumes the TCP APIs which implements the TCP APIs and It can connect to a docker daemon So here I have docker explorer, which is a view for connecting to docker daemon and as you can see that all I have to do is Fill in the information so this view can also connect if you have the local docker daemon running on your box You can connect to the daemon using the Unix socket or if since we are connecting to the box ADV box, so we need to input the URI so since the daemon which is running inside the box is Is protected using search so no any so that No any random client should connect to it So that the connection should fail if we if we do not provide the part to The search so the ping now fail, but since if we give the right path of the search as you can see I just bring up the box once again live demos Okay Yep, so we'll move to the next demo. I'm sorry about that live demos We apparently didn't make the correct sacrifices before we started. We are very sorry But we're now really going to tempt fate with the next demo This is my environment Mike and we wanted to show off some cross-platform functionality But we didn't have a Windows machine available. So did you actually screw that in? No Who screws that in? So we brought a Mac instead one second, okay, cool it worked Okay, so what we have done on this Mac is we have downloaded virtual box because that's the supported one of the two Supported hypervisors and the only one supported on Mac We have downloaded vagrant so that we can run the vagrant files And then we've downloaded a set of tools from the upstream Because the community is already producing tools for us. So we've got the Docker client Version 182 in this case for the Mac We have the current open shift actually I think this is a little behind on open shift, but it's the open shift client OC and then we're actually running cube control from Homebrew if you've used the Mac they have a side packaging system called homebrew and cube control is actually packaged So you can just brew install cube control On the Mac, let's find my terminal Is that big enough in the back? perfect, okay, so On this let's take a look at like Docker info So we've got some images and containers already running and part of the reason for that is that I brought up an open shift box Which is why I downloaded the OC client So you can see here for example that I can do a Docker images. I'm not going to bother to run anything in part because The network here is not allowing me to pull images this morning I do not have dot in my path.  That's somewhat interesting I can actually run cube control and I think there's a pod running. Oh I'm not allowed to list pods in this particular project. I'm sorry OC Oh, I deleted the project. That's why Let's take a look at the CLI or the OpenShift web demo here I Actually deleted that project. That's kind of embarrassing. So I can prove that OC works By running a new project for you. This is a lot harder when you're holding a mic in one hand So we created a new OpenShift project and again I'm not going to launch anything inside of OpenShift because that requires a pull and we don't actually have network at this conference So as a consequence, I can't actually show you that part But we've got all of the client tools wired in this user does not have to SSH into the box They don't have to deal with the fact that they're running a Linux box if they don't want to they don't have to deal with any of the Connectivity issues everything comes pre-configured including OpenShift So those are our three personas command line Carla ID E Igor and my environment Mike We have a clips so I Missed up with my environment variables. So now I have them here. So as you can see that Here I have a Docker Explorer view and I'm repeating the demo that I did earlier. So here We have to give the name to the connection because you are eclipse Docker to link can connect to multiple Docker clients so we can give the name like DevCon and This is the URL of the vagrant box and two three seven six is the port where Docker demon is running And as you can see that these are the search Where the client required client sets are residing. So we need to provide the direct detection So pink is now succeed. So this is a pink to the Docker demon inside the box from my client and Now here you can browse different containers and images that are inside the box So if you want to pull an image so you can perform all the operations that you are doing from the Command line using the eclipse itself So I can do a poll Finish or network. Come on. It's just one and me Okay so here we have the image and If you want to create a container to fit just right click over the image name run and you have the detailed Options that you can provide to create the container out of image. So here I'm providing this a command eco command and as you can see that There are different options that you can use if you if you want to attach some data volume you environment variables you can just Put in here and if you want to limit the CPU that you want to provide to this container All the all the operations that are available all the options that are available via the command line is now Is in the run container view? explanation Okay, so yeah, yeah, so the output that is being exported by the container inside the box is copied over right to eclipse So so as a demo this is To show showcase the eclipse connection with the adb box Right here. So now the eclipse developer can directly containerize your jbos or Java application right from the eclipse inside the box Yep, so So, how did we how do we make these source? So this vagrant box that we have now support Two different or or kiss two different or provide us one is virtual box and live word and it is also made up with different set of utility scripts and like as I said earlier that the Docker Docker demon is configured for client-side tooling to connect and Oh Kubernetes as well as open shift is there We have a vagrant plug-in for client-side two links and we are using sent us seven as the base OS for our adb box And we are using sent us build system for building this adb boxes and putting them on atlas ashikop so as of now we have five different Five different providers that can run your containers or your application TLS protected Docker demon Kubernetes single note setup mesos marathon Open shift the open shift that we are providing inside the box is running inside the containers So the open shift is configured inside the box is in different set of containers that Together provide the open shift service inside the box. We we have atomic sale in the box so that you can use the atomic sale I and pulling your container images leverage the labels that you have embedded inside your Docker images as well as deploy atomic and the liquid images and the liquid apps We are currently building the box that's on hessie core using sent us and we chose sent us because of its stability The community of users that it has and the fact that it has a special interest group system that allows us to build the box Easily within their environments this box can be built on any distribution So we would encourage people in other areas who are interested in seeing this come out for their distribution of choice to work With us on that we'd love to do that The CIDC says CICD system and sent us will probably begin to be used soon so that we have a master test environment as well So it's what's for dinner? You can actually use it right now You can download it from cloud that sent us org You can also pull it from hessie core using the standard vagrant methodology the client CLIs for your various Non-Linux systems or Linux systems are available upstream. You can get Docker Kubernetes and open shift Obviously if your distribution or operating system packages them, we would encourage you to use those But otherwise go and get the correct versions from the upstream There is I'll if you'll pop back on there is one note You can just type vagrant a knit project atomic slash adb if you're running virtual box You do have to make one modification to the vagrant file Otherwise I'll live vert it runs out of the box But we have sample vagrant files that will bring up cube open shift And Mesa's marathon so you should use those if you want to use those environments Everything is online on github under the projects atomic organization It's in the adb and the vagrant adb info for the plug-in as we've mentioned We are renaming the plug-in and adding some additional functionality, so you'll get a pointer soon for that We do everything in the open on a mailing list on the container tools mailing list It's a mailing list shared by most of project atomic Which allows all of the pieces of the project to stay in touch with what everybody else is doing So I'd encourage you to join we hang out on nula cule and atomic on free node And we have meetings twice a week related to this part of the project We meet an IRC on Mondays and we meet over video conferencing on wins excuse me on Wednesdays. Yes Wednesdays So what's the future like and how can you help us? Well first use it help us find the rough edges help us figure out what your use cases need that we don't think about Join the project give us your input We're looking at more hypervisors. We're always looking at more orchestrators, especially where there's a use case for more orchestrators We're improving the plug-in to have a more service oriented architecture So that we can increase the amount of things that a user can do from outside of the box We are working on some rather big issues right now. We've got some TLS certificate generation problems So if you happen to love TLS, we'd love to talk to you We've got four potential solutions for a late certificate generation issue And if you know something about this, we would like to talk to you As I mentioned, we have a new vagrant plug-in architecture. So if you like writing Ruby, you like writing vagrant plugins There's a space for you here We are looking at doing Docker image caching currently the CBS is being extended to allow that it's not there yet We're gonna want to look at other distribution build systems as well where there's desire for that kind of stuff We're looking at folder synchronization between the local workstation and the vagrant box We want to make sure that whatever we choose is both completely open and has unlimited rights of redistribution So we're looking at alternatives to the traditional hypervisor provided Opportunities there in part because we want to try and maintain Uniformity in terms of the way the box behaves across different systems. So we're looking at SSH FS if you've used it There's a space for you here. Please come And then we're also working on DNS support because use cases like OpenShift really need DNS support to be useful in particular this has been a bit more of a challenge under windows because Ruby forking has changed a bit and doesn't quite work correctly under Windows and Like three layers deep in the pile of turtles. There's a problem with a Ruby fork We think we've got it fixed, but if you like digging in piles of turtles This is good for you So this is the part where you ask all of the questions and I make no need to answer them I don't think either of us personally have looked at the successor program So it's hard to offer an opinion on it If you've got information about it It's definitely something we need to bring up and discuss on the mailing list and figure out what the right path for our project is And the question was about the successor to Vagrant that has she for has come out and what was the name of it again? auto So that was the question for those thousands of people watching at home One more question and you get a scarf by the way, please come see us You'll be very warm. Yes The question was does the vagrant file bring up one virtual machine and right now? All of the providers are configured to launch a single virtual machine where they operate in a client server or master minions style We are running everything in a single machine. There's certainly an opportunity for this to launch multiple machines So that for example, you could see it say an entire Kubernetes cluster And we'd certainly take a look at a PR on that other questions and you get a scarf to go with the scarf you have Everybody gets this car Okay, cool So everything is online and get hub if you want to see some of the demo scripts that we ran through Or tried to run through in a couple of cases. These are the project URLs. We strongly encourage you to take a look and visit us I'm not Naviche. He is I'm still Brian Exelbeard. Here's our Twitter and email address Thank you very much So Oh Oh Oh Oh Okay, guys, I see that your laptops are dying so you have charging like sockets in the desks. Yeah, so you don't Search for them in the corners of the room. 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your family back here. Aloha. Welcome to another episode of Think Tech Hawaii, Movers, Shakers, and Reformers, Politics in Hawaii series. I'm your host, Carl Campania. Thanks for joining us today. Sorry, I have a little bit of a cold, so my voice is gonna be a little off today, but I'll do the best I can. Today, our guest is Ms. Marshall Rose Joyner. I'm thrilled to have her here. She's an advocate of many, many things, a fierce advocate of many positive, good progressive issues, good Democrat issues. She's also a grassroots maven. She knows how to organize. She knows how to bring people together. She knows how to get people out to vote, get people registered to vote, and she's someone that we all can and should learn from the policy politics world. So with that, I welcome you to the show. Thank you, Marcia, for joining us. And where do I mail the check?  Think Tech Hawaii. Think Tech Hawaii. No, I truly appreciate that. And I think I'm one of the people who believes that we need to make sure that we are all at the table. What, you did this 40 years ago. You know, you're doing that today. Today, today. You were active and busy today. And you know how to do it from 40 years ago. So you know what? We need to be able to listen to you and learn from you. For the people who are just starting now, we need to make sure there's continuity in what's happening and how. Yes, yesterday is over. Yesterday won't come back. No, no it won't. But just to let your audience know, I have not missed an election since 1958. And yes, there was such a time as 1958. There was a 1958. There was a 1950. Yes, yes. And I call me a political junkie. I've never seen a cause I didn't like. So yes, you're right. Fiercely out there. Absolutely. Making sure that people are taken care of, making sure communities are taken care of, making sure that people's voices find a channel, find a path. And that's so huge. It is. Too many people don't take advantage of that. And that's where I'm always grateful for the people who know how to get more people going. So I think that's great. So now we're going to transition. Seriously, the way do I mail the check? We're going to transition now to what we're going to talk about today. Today we're going to talk about what I refer to as life planning and then Medicare for All and how that comes together from a policy perspective. So just to start it off, when I think life planning, I think from the time you're in high school, from the time you're going to school and you're thinking about everything from education to finances, to career planning and all of those goals, to family planning. And that brings you right up to end of life. End of life planning. And oh, please jump in from there. And one of the things with life planning, as you mentioned, all of those have choices. Now we come to the state who says, we don't have a choice at the end of life. Ah. And that's the policy piece we're at right now. That's the policy piece where we're at. We all should make those plans, make those choices when you're healthy, with your family, with your doctor, with your minister or spiritual guide and make those plans now. Make those choices now. Be aware of what those possibilities are. Know what your insurance possibilities and other benefits are. Know how each, as we look at all of it, each phase of life planning impacts you and impacts your family. So we have to look really at the end of life. And that's my big issue now is end of life. When you get to be 78, the end of life looks like any day. I was never going to age you. I was never going to age you. Any day now. Any day we got to deal with this. The point that I'm getting at is that when the state can determine what you can and cannot do at the end of life, therefore we need to make those choices. We need to tell the state to back off, this is my life, I need to choose. And part of that choosing, we need to be aware of the finances involved at the end of life. You can't have one without the other, as we know. Because of the ripple effect. Yes. If you are hooked up on these machines in the hospital at $10,000 a day, and you leave a person hooked up like that, then all of grandma's estate is gone, and you are left with the bills. And then when it comes time for you to think about your children in college, that's gone. This ripple effect.  Because the whole, because that's one of the things that happens. I know that with my mother and my father when they passed, myself, my brothers and sisters, we thought about it and we went through the whole process. No one ever wants to let go. You want them to stay there because you don't want to let them go. And that's one of the things that you go through, the grief process, how you finally make it OK for yourself to let go. And it is more about you than them. Than them, exactly. It's more about, whoa is me. How am I going to live without you? Oh, you hear all of us, somebody done somebody wrong songs, right? How am I going to do it? It's not about the person. It's not about the survivors. Yes. And we need to think about it from the perspective. Yes.  We talk about sanctity of life. We talk about all of these, well, none of that suggests how we are addressing end of life. Well, for me, yes, the end of life should be as sacred as the beginning of life. It makes sense. It should be. And culturally speaking, throughout the generations, thousands of millennia, people have had those ceremonies in the beginning and at the end. And we do have those ceremonies today. But it's an emotional ceremony. It's a religious ceremony. It's not otherwise personally avoided. Yes. And for most funerals, it's for the living. Yeah. And it comes after. After Bishop Eric Montemoto was telling us that they have, he's a Buddhist, they have an appreciation ceremony before the person passes. So the person gets to say goodbye. And how wonderful it was having you in my life and all of those things. I think that is such a great idea before. Before? Before. Yeah, and give them a chance to go through their process. Not everybody has that chance. Sometimes it's much quicker. Oh, sometimes it's an accident, yeah. We all know what happened with some of our beloved actors and actresses and performers this year, how quickly these things can happen. Carrie Fisher and Debbie Reynolds, two people that have impacted so many people in their own ways and have them just like that. Gone, yes. And it's like, okay, that family had really no opportunity. And when Carrie Fisher goes and then, because of a heart attack at age 60 and then mom the next day. She willed herself into that one. And that's one of the questions. You look at it and it's like, well, okay. How did that happen? Well, her son said that, I'm just going about what he said. Yeah, exactly. And you can do that. You can see that. You can see sometimes that when my father passed, my mother immediately was like, well, okay, he's gone, when do I get to go now? And we're like, hey mom, how about you stick around for us for a while longer? You're healthy, you're fine, you're doing great. Time went by, another 12 years goes by. And now her life is beginning to degrade such that, okay, she's not all there with every faculty that she needs. Much harder for her to get through her day. She needs a lot more care and support. Well, were we prepared for that? Well, we were more prepared for that for her than we were for my father. But she tried to will herself into it. But you know what, that's not how that works. You don't have control over that as much as you might think sometimes. I guess maybe depending upon age, I don't know. I don't know. We had my mother at home for the last year of her life with hospice in my home. And one day everything was fine. The next day I'm a caregiver. I was like, oh, now what do I do? And no one's ready to, and no one's prepared for that. No idea. No one knows what to do. And then all of your life gets turned upside down because now what do we do? Now what do we do? And I now have to figure out how to, I thought I was done with daycare. Now I have to go back to it. Yes. And so, and if you're not ready for it, if you haven't been planning, if you haven't been thinking about it ahead of time. No, no we haven't. So you had mentioned, and I wanna jump into this a bit more and see what we can pull out. You mentioned the state, I guess nationally and then from the state level. We get to end of life and we don't have choices. Right. Tell me about those choices and tell me about where we currently are with policy and then what we might want to be looking to achieve. Okay. If we look at compassion in passing and for the state to get out of the way. Right now we're looking at a bill. I don't know what the name of the bill is that allows us to make choices at the end.  So you wanna have a choice. Do I take medication? Do I stay on this life support system and run up the bill or can I have some kind of a cocktail to everything it is? So right now we don't have that choice. Right now it's sorry. Sorry you can't do that. The doctor say, the doctor first of all will keep you, apologize for my voice again, the doctor will keep you plugged in for lack of a better word until the family says, okay, we put them plugged. And that's all there is to it. And honestly, I don't know that I could have pulled the plug on my mother. Well she wasn't hooked up. But what I'm saying is that now I get to choose the moment of death. Why can't you, the patient choose that moment? Why can't, you know, what is it that we don't allow that person, that option? Right, why are we not recognizing the value of that choice? Why are we not appreciating that person's life? Respectfully, yes, the death with dignity thing, but we can set that aside because it becomes jargon. Oh I can't, I don't like that phrase. Exactly, it's appreciating that person's life and recognizing it and valuing it in a ceremonial sense and recognizing, okay, not only is this probably better for this individual, it's better for this individual's family. Yes. And then a bigger picture going back to policy. It's actually better for the state and for the US government because of the costs. As we're looking at Medicare and Medicaid and how that balloons up. That's for a person in the hospital, it's $10,000 a day. That it's largely covered by Medicare or Medicaid and or insurance and then whatever's left over the family. Family gets to pay. And that's a big piece of that. So we have to take a quick break. So we're gonna take a quick break and then we're gonna come back and we're gonna talk more on how that feeds into Medicare for all and we're gonna go from there, okay? Thank you. Thank you for joining us. Sorry, this is Think Tech Hawaii's Movers, Shakers and Reformers, Politics in Hawaii series. Our guest today is Ms. Marcia Rose-Joyner and we'll be back in one minute. Thank you. Aloha, my name is Josh Green. I serve as Senator from the Big Isle of the Kona side and I'm also an emergency room physician. My program here on Think Tech is called Healthcare in Hawaii. I'll have guests that should be interesting to you twice a month. We'll talk about issues that range from mental healthcare to drug addiction to our healthcare system and any challenges that we face here in Hawaii. We hope you'll join us. Again, thanks for supporting Think Tech. Hello, my name is Crystal. Let me tell you, my talk show, I'm all about health. It's healthy to talk about sex. It's healthy to talk about things that people don't talk about. It's healthy to discuss things that you think are unhealthy because you need to talk about it. So I welcome you to watch Quok Talk and engage in some provocative discussions on things that do relate to healthy issues and have a well-balanced attitude in life. Join me. Aloha, welcome back to Think Tech, Hawaii's mover, shakers and reformers, politics in Hawaii series. Once again, my guest today is Ms. Marjoros Joyner. And we've been talking about life planning and as we transition towards end of life planning. And now we're going to transition and see how that fits into our concept of Medicare for all, which also gets used in various different terminology, whether it's universal healthcare, single payer, however you want to phrase it, it's how we can better address the nation from a state-by-state and the nation perspective from a healthcare perspective and how end of life can fit in. So thanks again for joining. Well, that's how it fits into end of life. How it fits into end of life. There you go. Okay, see, I'm very happy to learn. When you look at this estate that you may or may not have, let's assume you do, in Hawaii, there's no house under a million dollars, right? None.  Or however much you own your house still. Yes, or whatever the banks is.  And now what do we have? This $10,000 a day is eating it up. Is $10,000 a day state of Hawaii cost? Is it national cost? That's a national, that's an average. That's an average. Okay. That's an average. And I don't know what it is today in the state of Hawaii. I know that according to the state, there are 300,000 people in the state of Hawaii who are on Medicaid, that's the state's portion. Right. 300,000. 300,000 people. That's a quarter of our population is on Medicaid. And that's the state. And we know, just because that's the way life is, that 300,000 people will pass. Exactly. Yeah. We know that. Within the next few years. We know that. That's a given. Exactly. So, what that's costing is about, of course no one knows the exact figure, about $50 million. About $50 million. Yes. There were other statistics we were talking about before the show started that a quarter, 25% of the Medicare national budget goes towards- The end of life. The last year of life. So the last year, 25, so wrap our head around this for Medicare perspective. The last year of life on an annual basis for people who die in that year is one quarter of the cost of our annual Medicare budget. That's significant to understand. It is. So, locally we're looking at a bill, hopefully, I don't know that there a bill exists, at looking at universal health care and that is what some people call single payer. The single payer just means that instead of the insurance companies, you know the insurance companies are gonna work hard to kill this, but instead of the insurance companies calling the shots, you have a single place that the money goes to. It would save the state an incredible amount of money by having this one source, one place. So if the state, for instance, had this universal health care and they had, what, a million of us that live here? A million plus, right? 1.2. Okay, 1.2 million. Then if we were paying a premium, paying just that and not all this other, we would save money and the state then becomes big enough that they can negotiate, they can negotiate the cost of prescription drugs. Because that's what the VA has, what they can offer because they have that power because they're so big. So the state would have that same option with, they would have to create an entity that would be a state entity. And so, well yes, you would pay more in tax, but you'd pay less in your health care bill. So it would kind of even out. Yeah, so that would have to be done on an actuarial basis to see how that goes out.  And the bills have come to the state level, they've come at the US level. I think it's important to recognize the costs. And that's why we bring up a quarter of Medicare. We bring up how Medicaid comes in and that's the state level and how if we could reduce those costs. And that goes, that also applies, by the way, to our unfunded liability aspect, as well. We talk about $18 billion of unfunded liability for all of our state employees and union employees that we have to continue paying after retirement. That's the unfunded liability part. Well, you know what, if we have a plan, if we actually address it from the medical side, if we address it from the policy perspective insurance side, if we create a single payer system that can step in and fit in. And this is what you're saying, that can help alleviate some of those costs. Yes, and then your out-of-pocket is different. Yes, you will pay more than in taxes, absolutely. But you will also not be paying what the insurance company is asking you to pay. And that's one of the other things. Now you know the insurance company's gonna fight hard. Well, the insurance companies fight this because they know they're in charge of all of the medical charge. Right now they're in charge. And that's what the Affordable Care Act, Obamacare, was trying to do is make an adjustment. And one of the interesting challenges with those people who want to repeal Obamacare is for all of its flaws that can be worked on, it was actually able to get all of the parties at the table to agree. All of those special interests within the medical world to agree so that it could pass. So that is an interesting perspective from a policy side. Now what I want to understand better is, and this is something that we'll explore a little bit now but then in future shows, is how end of life and how single payer and how the repeal, potential repeal of Obamacare and how that all comes back to the impact in Hawaii. Yes, and it does. Because we can't think of end of care without thinking of the cost.  They are. They are very real. Anyone who has had to experience it knows the shock. Yes. And so that we need to, I don't want to call them companion bills, but they are because they affect our daily life. They affect our day to day living. And we need to see that they do. I know most people- We need the single payer or Medicare for all. We need that to be able to better address the end of life needs. Needs. Because you're, you know, we're looking at that last year of life that the majority of the money, and who knows where that goes? That's just, I don't know who pays that. It's just somehow it gets paid. It gets paid through Medicare, Medicaid, insurance, and then out of pocket. Out of pocket. Yeah. Mainly, but it's the out of pocket that just stuns you. I've known people that knew that Uncle So-and-So was going to have to go to a nursing home. And in order to pay the nursing home, they had to sell all of his property. So that that didn't take- We had to go through that. When my father passed, and when we, before he passed, it took him three and a half years for his pulmonary fibrosis. He had his own business that he was running. He was running a trucking company. So we had multiple trucks. As we went through that process, we had to sell off a truck and then another truck, and then sell off the business. And then we had to go through this process to make sure that everything was covered so that he was as comfortable as possible. And he wasn't on a ventilator. He wasn't on any of that stuff. It was just the doctor saying, we don't know. We don't know how long it's going to take. So that's my next question. We say, okay, the last year of life is the most costly. How do we know, and how can we know, and how we best, the doctors have to come into play here, when do we know that, okay, now we've reached what we think is the real last year? I don't know. I don't know. Like I said, one day everything was fine. Next day, I'm a caregiver. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. You don't know. She did last a year. But even that was amazing. And watching her struggle, she had an emphysema. Watching her struggle, every breath. And it was really hard to watch. She's the strongest woman that ever lived. You know, she raised the sun and the moon and the stars at night. And then to see her struggle, to see this. Yeah. See, this was, I don't know. How do you know when the last year? It's heartbreaking. It's demoralizing. But that's where, that's the last place you wanna then start thinking. Yeah, you can't. About how you're gonna pay for this, how you're gonna address this, how should I address this? So thinking about it ahead of time, having some policy in place that can give you options so you can start to include that. She was in the hospital in Baltimore because that's where the accident happened. And so my daughter and I are off to Baltimore. And my cousin said to me, sell while she's in the hospital now. And we kept asking the hospital to keep her, keep her. And it took us three weeks to pack up everything, to sell off everything, to give away everything. He says, because he had been through it. He said, sell while she's still in the hospital, while she can still make the decisions. But she will never, ever be able to be alone again. Right. Right. So, and again. Three weeks, we had the same time. We don't have an opportunity to plan ahead. If we don't bring in these possibilities and try to address that sort of, those costs of end of life care. And the planning that has to happen from the medical side, from the family decision-making side and everything, if we're not, if there's not something in place to help us make those decisions earlier, because otherwise, yeah, it can happen a little sudden. Or it can even be prolonged. But in either case, you're not in the right place mentally necessarily to make solid, reasonable choices all the time. So, okay, we only have a couple of minutes left. Okay, Friday, this, today's Wednesday. Friday. Friday. That's what I wanted to bring up here. Friday. So Friday, January 6th, there is a meeting regarding and to discuss universal health care. And it is at the Democratic Party of Hawaii office, main office, which is 627 South Street, suite 105 here in Honolulu. And it's to engage in the conversation to talk about universal health care and how it can support end of life, how it can support life planning and how we can really approach. And I think we do need to consider the whole picture from a Medicare for All and as we think about all of these costs throughout your life, but then also how all of these issues that are coming up in the repeal of health care, how everything can impact the state of Hawaii and what we need to do to accommodate that. Because we have to remember, of course, is that we're the only blue state out there. So we can't expect that the... I call us a blue state. No, we're blue in terms of what we elected. And what we elected based on what people said they were. And yeah, a whole different thing. Unfortunately, we're out of time. We're out of time. We can always go on for another three hours. Thank you for joining us. This is D.Tech Hawaii's Movers, Shakers, and Reformers. Many thanks to my guest today, Ms. Marshall-Roth-Joyner. And you didn't tell me where to mail the check. D.Tech Hawaii.