So I'm Paul Schacht and I'm the Director of the Center for Digital Learning at the State University of New York at Geneseo. We live in a world where collaboration is increasingly important and increasingly valued. So tools for social learning, including tools for social annotation, gives students the opportunity to practice those collaboration skills and to prepare themselves to participate in a world where collaboration is, again, increasingly important and valued. That's a main benefit to students. There are lots of, I think, pedagogical benefits to instructors, again, particularly when it comes to tools for social annotation. In addition to living in a world where collaboration is so important, we live in a world where content is increasingly locked up in walled gardens, whether we're talking about a particular platform for engaging with educational content or a platform for reading books or for consuming other kinds of content like audio or video. And those platforms are a barrier to collaboration. If collaboration is important, we need to be able to practice it in the world and in the classroom when we're working inside walled gardens whose forms of data storage and whose algorithms are different from one another, that are following different standards, collaboration becomes extremely hard. So open standards for a tool like annotation can help us take down some of those walls. I think the key principle here is interoperability. So Corey Doctorow illustrates the principle of interoperability by pointing out that any manufacturer can make a light bulb that fits in any light socket. Not every bulb fits in every socket, but the standard for making a bulb to fit in a particular socket is an open standard. So again, anyone has the ability to make a bulb to fit it. Even having our students in the Geneseo Center for Digital Learning, our student affiliates read about interoperability and some of its history in computing. For example, in the development of standards for web content, standards that make it possible to access content from any browser in any operating system. So as I said a moment ago, walled gardens that store data in different ways, that have locked gates. Those gates that can only be opened if you pay for the key, those walled gardens promote inequity by making privilege a condition of access. Implementing interoperable social learning tools that are developed with accessibility in mind, again, that removes barriers and it also helps institutions do a better job of living into their values of diversity, equity and inclusion. Every colleague that I've spoken to who's tried using social annotation as part of their pedagogy has been impressed by the power of annotation to create great focused conversations about texts. These conversations tend to be much more evidence based than the ones that are generated by broad discussion forum questions. And they also reduce the tendency of students to echo one another. Lots of different students answering the same question once they get in to answer. They see what other students have said are likely to echo what they have already seen written there. But if you give every student the opportunity to pick a passage in a text, pick their own passage, say what they have to say about it, you're much more likely to get individualized and authentic responses from students. Secondly, if you're classroom, if you want your classroom to be a space where students are not just engaging with the topic of the course, but they're acquiring and sharpening important interpersonal skills, the skill of collaboration that I talked about before, or digital skills, you want them to have an understanding, for example, of the principle of interoperability. If you want them to understand why accessibility matters in digital spaces, this is another reason why using these tools and ensuring that the tools are interoperable across platforms, that this is another reason why it's an important and worthwhile effort. And participating in the initiative then is a great way to be part of a broad effort best exemplified by some of the other partners, some of the major partners in the initiative, like HathiTrust and the Internet Archive, there is a widespread and really important effort going on right now to make both learning and the web itself more interoperable, more equitable, more accessible. Joining the initiative is a way to be part of that movement.


I don't think we're going to have a quorum, but I'm wondering where Alan is and. Sarah and brain just froze. Then Gordon on coming. Okay. So. Claudia is on, but I don't see her. Hello. Yes. I'm just trying to conserve some battery. Okay. So if you don't have a quorum, do you still want to have your discussion recorded? Just be able to refer back to. Yeah, thanks. Okay. Okay. How are you? Becky. I'm good. I'm just like. Buried with school work and stuff. So I've been like working so hard this semester to like. I've been like working so hard to get something done by the end of the semester. So I'm just like a little. Out of touch. It feels like with the rest of the world. How are you doing, honey? I'm good. I've been totally enjoying this nice weather. Yes. My pen went to. Somehow I'm like. I'm not like putting in the trash. I had to go back to the one. The, the link for this meeting that was sent to me like last week. Cause the one that was just sent like yesterday disappeared. And this isn't like the first email that I've been having disappearing. Is anyone else having to like a problem with Gmail? This is really weird. It's kind of weird. It's on our website always. So. Oh yeah. Excuse me. I like have had this issue where like. Emails sometimes don't come through on my phone on Gmail, but they'll come through on my computer. And so that's weird. And I don't know why, but that's weird. Like I'm, I'm coming in on my computer and I can't find it. I wonder if they're on my phone. Like what's. What's the deal, man? I'm going to text Alan find out if he's coming. Yes, I'm in a meeting now. Oh, six participants. Hold on. Oh, attendee one attendee. Yeah. I had some stuff for Girl Scouts that I was looking for yesterday that I could not find. And. Some stuff from the town earlier this. This month about election stuff. Or last month. It's been really super weird. Yeah. I wonder what else I'm missing that I don't even know that I'm missing, right? Cause like it's, if it's dropping me my emails, I don't know. All right, Henry, I'm going to make you the full host. And then I am going to exit out. Thank you. Okay. You guys have a good meeting. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Did you hear from Alan Henry? Not yet. I'm texting Sarah now. And Gordon. Gordon can't make it and Bennett can't make it. And, um, Gina is here and Claudia. Hi, Gina. Oh, look, there's Alan. Hello. What about Julian? Is he coming? I don't know. I thought so. So for the trivia team so far, it's me, Henry and Gordon, right? Those are the yeses that we've gotten. I think so. We need one more. Huh? How do we join? Well, I've joined, I've made the team. And then, um, I mean, I guess they're really waiting for the last second. It was kind of like that for the trivia B2. All right. Well, we're not going to have a quorum either way, but, uh, I don't know where Rana is either. So Gina, you're here. What's that? I just got your text. Okay. Yes, I'm here. Okay. Good. How are you? I'm doing well. I'm doing well. Thank you. And the trees are doing very well also. Good. The whole neighborhood admires them and it admires them all along the street. Truly, truly. I'm not joking. I think I forgot to send the reminder to Marian today. A list of everyone who I add in is getting longer. That's good though. I guess so only if they come. Gina's regular and, uh, Claudia, you're here too, right? Yep. I'm here. So, um, we can't, we're not going to have a quorum. Becky, can you take notes anyway? Okay. That'd be great. Thanks. Um, and we'll just go through what we have without Sarah. We can't do some of the things that anyone talked to her. It's going to do the September and October minutes, but we can't do that without a quorum. So we'll skip that. Um, how many hours do you guys have for volunteers? For volunteering for the last month. I have a zero. Well, we didn't, we didn't plan it yet. Well, you include the meeting. Ah, one. Okay. Claudia, anything besides the meeting? Uh, no. Give you one. No. It probably only be one Becky. Um, just the meeting and some extra time on the Instagram. Um, page. Yeah. We don't do half hours, by the way. Okay. Um, should I include the time I've been studying up for the trivia challenge or do you think that doesn't count? No. All right. Um, Let's see. Three, I guess. Slower time of year. Yeah. Where were you at the planting? That was since, or is that before last meeting? I don't know. Yeah. Cause that would be three. And then this would be four and then a couple extra hours for like the t-shirt and run around and. Okay. I'll put you down for six Gina. Other stuff. Other incident dentals. Right. But the planting, because of the way this month is falling. We had a meeting after our last planting. Okay. Okay. All right. Well, welcome. Those of you who are here and, uh, Um, We'll just have a unofficial meeting and discuss a few things. Um, I don't have the agenda. Let me get the agenda up. We're planting this Saturday, right? Yeah, we're going to talk about that because Alan thinks we should do a planting and we're not, he couldn't get the trees for the nursery. We'll talk about that in a minute. Let me. Um, bring up the. I'll share the screen with them. The agenda. Okay. Share a screen. Where's the agenda on my. Hold on. It's not coming up. Stop sharing. Okay. Let me try again. There we go. Okay. Hey, everybody see it? Yes. Yep. Everybody's gotten very small here. Okay. So we're called to order such as we are. Any announcements or public comments? Hearings. No, any hearings, Alan? No. We did number four approval of minutes and volunteer hours. Okay. I've had some good luck. We were talking about, um, Doing a planting at the brook and some of those apartment buildings. So I spoke to someone at the boulders and they're presenting it to their management company, but I haven't heard back from them. And then someone from the brook called me and hooked me up with the, um, Whoever's in charge of grounds there. And I was like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Was that the brook at eight o'clock this morning. And he was a no show. So he apologized and I'm going to see him on Thursday. Um, We can't use. Town trees there. Because it's a private road. But about the same time that he called, I got a call from the sky Felix who offered to give us. A bunch of, um, Washington, Hawthorne trees and some persimmon trees. Um, The brook and I think they're actually going to buy some full size trees to add in. And we can do that as a spring planting. So hopefully I'll meet with them and we'll get that straightened out. Um, and then if. The boulders call, then we can arrange to do a planting there too, maybe. So, um, that's that. What else do I have? Um, I'm not sure if we're still, like, What are we doing with things like that? Yeah. I mean, I'm just, uh, Keeping a list of people who want trees. And, uh, I'm not guaranteeing anything at this point because I'm not really sure. What's going to happen. I'm not sure when I'm going to. Use up the last of the money is getting down. Be far. So. Okay. I don't have, you know, I don't have, uh, Uh, Funding to purchase trees. So. Okay. Once this is gone. So. Okay. So yeah, we should think about how we want to deal with that. If we want to use some of our money. When people request trees. Or, um, Yeah. Or if we want to. Petition the town to. Stop putting a line item in for trees. Which I think would be important. Any comments. You're muted. Shashana. Oh, you're talking to somebody else. Um, I was just looking at the, uh, I heard my name. Oh, sorry. I thought you were talking, but you weren't talking to us. Yeah. I was talking to me. For a second. So I was, I was pausing it. Okay. Right now. Anyway, I was just checking on 20 strong street. So that particular property has power lines along their side. So everything we do over there would be a setback planting on private property. That between. Ever source helping us take down the declining sugar maple trees. There and some of those trees were theirs that they had to take down as well. But they've got all sugar maple trees in front of the house that are all. Slowly dying. So. All right. All right. Maybe. I'll talk to them. Maybe we have some. Any trees or any other trees available. You're breaking up. You're buffering. Sorry. Do we have any other trees in Ruckston or any trees available? No, we don't have any trees. All right. We don't really have any tree trees. I have a question. I know we used to be able to request trees online. Since that, I understand Alan has been taken down. How do people get on this list? This list of wishes. That's a very good question. And I had somebody ask me that question today. So I just request that people put in a. A C-click fix. Work request. So the town C-click fix system. And that will. Put all the requests in a queue for, for new trees. Help me keep track of everything. What does, what does C-click fix stand for? I guess it's an online platform for work requests. I think that's a good question. I think that's a good question. I think the main web page and right on the main home page is a link to the work request system. Okay. Thank you. Hey, Sarah. Hi, I'm sorry. I'm late. That's okay. We're not going to get a quorum either way, but. We are meeting. I see it on his own also. Here. Ron is on. Hi, Rana. Oh, hello. Okay, good. So. There you are. Hi. And Gina and Claudia are both here too. Bennett and Gordon both had family commitments come up. So. No quorum. So it's an unofficial meeting today. So what else? Oh, in terms of getting new members, which is really important because that's one of the reasons we get a quorum. There's a list of like eight people who want to be on the committee who have submitted. Citizen activity forms. Rana, you have not submitted that form. Did you get my email about that? I did. I just didn't want to take somebody's spot when I. I don't have much time to commit to tasks beyond attending the meeting and the occasional. Saturday planting. So I give priority to someone else who has more time to dedicate. And I also want to ask you about what is actually the time commitment beyond these meetings and the Saturday. Yeah. So the time commitment is whatever you can put into it. And then I like everybody who's on the committee to take on the project at some point. So Sarah's working on the tree ordinance and she's Sean has been working on. The Facebook page and the t-shirts. And things like that. Gordon sends out the monthly newsletter. Not Gordon Bennett says that. I don't think Gordon actually has a project at this point. So can I be an unofficial member? Yes, everyone's always welcome to do that. We would like to get two more people on the committee. So maybe some of these people, some of them I've never met. Julian's one of the people, but it's kind of odd that people. Submitted form, but then haven't come to meetings or plantings before some. Anyway, hoping. Okay. I'll block them in the way right now or on vacation at least. When he gets back, I'm hoping we'll schedule. Interviews. So if you change your mind, Rana, then submit that form as soon as you can. Okay. Can everyone hear me? Am I still coming in or am I fading? No, you're good. Okay. Cause I have my internet is pretty. Flimsy here right now. Okay. So what else? I'll see you on the next slide. Okay. Next slide. Okay. Yeah. Oh. There's a nice strong street. I'd like three different notes. I got to go back and forth. Oh, show Sean. I put out a thing about Arcadia sanctuary was doing a flood plain forest restoration project. And I went down and help plant and. Wasn't as gorgeous as the first day. 400 the day I was there. I was kind of cold and overcast, but there were 30 people showed up and we're walking through the muck planting all kinds of trees. And, you know, they gave a little quick introduction to planting trees and Allen would not have been happy with how they were planting trees. So I spoke up and explained a couple of things and the organizers really appreciated me speaking up. And that was nice. It was great to be out in the meadows of Arcadia planting trees, you know? And they were smaller trees. The holes were already pre-dug with an auger. So it was pretty easy. It was great fun. All different species that are floodplain species, sycamores, red maples, different things. And cottonwoods, which I thought is kind of like a weed, but I guess that's a place for cottonwood trees to grow. So that's good. So it was nice. Really nice, lots of people and, you know, good effort at reforestation. I talked about the brook and boulders. I spoke to the guy from Glendale Road or Glendale Street who wanted trees for his son's house that he just bought and he's gonna actually seek out all the neighbors and try to put together a planting for us in the spring. So I know his... Do you know what address he was at? He's at 35 Glendale. And then the guy next door, close hitter, close hitter 116, he also wanted a couple of trees. But he's gonna count his neighborhood and put out a little notice to let them know that we wanna do a planting. So that's good. We have lots of places to plant next year already. We just gotta come up with the money in the trees. Henry, when do planting start in the... Oh, sorry, when do planting start in the spring? April, do second Saturday in April. Okay, thank you. Yep. All right, that's about it for my report. Oh, the placards have been at the printers. The printer just moved to Hadley from Amherst and they can't find the grommets. So they assured me they will have the grommets and probably hopefully by tomorrow, the next day. So the placards are done and we'll be able to put them up soon.  Shoshana. Great, okay, good. So I will get them to you as soon as I get them. Great. Okay, Alan, you wanna do your tree warden report? Sure, not much to report. We've had some beautiful weather. We've been able to get a lot of our tree work done, which is great. We had a potential tree herring for Leverett Road, the scenic road, where we just had a tree herring for another, there's a series of lots there that have come on the market. Once the property owner heard it was gonna cost nearly $6,000 in tree replacements costs, they changed the way out of the driveway so that we didn't have to cut down many trees. So the intent of the replacement cost to make people reconsider their projects and reconsider saving trees versus cutting them down worked again. Yeah, I think this is a big success for us.  So I think it's great. Thank you. Yeah, you have more? That's it, really. I don't really have much. Okay. And Sarah, the treasurer's report. I didn't call because I forgot again, so I'm sorry. I'm not being a very good treasurer. Shouldn't have been any changes. There have not been any changes. Yeah. Okay, well, it'd be good to see that actually, well, the money is going to pay for the placards and the t-shirts. Right. Yeah, so I just received the receipt for the t-shirts the other day. So that paperwork is being filed. So you'll see that money probably next time, the next meeting you'll see that money has been spent. So, okay. Let me bring up the agenda again. I'm not leaving it up because then I can't see if more people are joining. So there's the agenda. All right. So second Saturday plantings of 2021 and actually we should talk about this Saturday also, but we have possibilities of Glendale Road, The Brook and is there anything else on our list for potential plantings? I don't have a list with me. Just you said possibly the boulders, but I don't know. Yeah, okay. That's pretty iffy at this point. Actually we talked about doing Mill Street or Mill Lane, whichever it is. Yes, yeah. Let's keep that. That's correct. Okay. Much there unfortunately we ended up planting. We had to move three trees from the dog park, the old landfills off old Belchamere Road. So we planted those, some of those over there. So we took a couple of the park tree locations already. Oh, you put trees in so that's fine. Yeah. Good. So keep your eye out for spots that we could do a planting next year. Yes. Good thing to think about for the winter when you're driving around town. All right, so this Saturday we had talked about doing the nursery and then Alan you had trouble getting trees. You want to talk about that? Yeah, so John says if we want to get some Beirut stock or smaller, even just getting smaller containerized stock or grow bag stock, you have to give them a months in advance notice like six months. So we need to rethink if we want to do a nursery this spring, we should come up with a list of trees and give it to him this like January or something like that. So when he does his purchase of nursery stock to plant he can buy those at the same time. So let's table that for now then the nursery, but do you want to do a planting this Saturday? You had some trees you need to get in the ground? Yes. So on East Hadley Road, 301 East Hadley Road, there are four or five trees, linen trees that are going to get planted. And then over in Nani's neighborhood at 97 Farview Way, there's four more trees going in. So if the committee wants to plant those, I have the trees already and they'd be, it's a relatively easy locations to plant. Only troubles is two different locations, so. Yes. The other thing is this lovely weather will not be here on Saturday. No, if you want to just do one of them, if you just want to do farview way and plant those, that's fine. If you don't want to do a planting, that's fine too. What do you guys think? I have to help my mom this weekend, so I won't be in town. So I'd, yeah. I'll do it. I'll go. I can go also. Gina, was that Gina? Oh, yes, sorry. Yes, Gina. I can come for at least an hour or two. So maybe I might not make it to both locations, but I could definitely come to at least one. Rana? I have to check location and bus schedules and all that. Rana, this is Gina, where are you located? If I'm in town, I can join. Rana, it's Gina. Where are you coming from? Downtown Amherst. Well, I'm in downtown Amherst. If you want to go, I'll send you my phone number. And if you want to go, I can drive you. Thank you. We can ride together, not calling it driving you. We can ride together. OK. So you just want to do the if you want to do it, we can discuss it through. Email exchange after the meeting to see if other people are interested. You just do just do the far view way. Yeah, let's do that. Is that good? Yeah, sure. I'll say 930. OK, OK. And 930 at far foot. The number address 97 far view way, which is off of North Pleasant Street just after the roundabout at UMass on North Pleasant Street heading north. Take a left. Let me see if I can get the other connector street from the road. Shoshana. Yeah. Do you want to call Nani and see if she'll join us? OK. I did stop by and I gave her a card and she sent me a card saying thank you. She's still not talking to me, but we very established connection. So this is Gina. Rana, do you have a phone? I mean, do you have a pen? I'll just give you my phone number now. Otherwise, I might well forget to write you. I'd be I just would say be careful giving a phone on these because they're recorded and people watch them afterwards. Oh, OK. Good idea. Thank you. Gina, I have Rana's email address. If you want to email me your phone number, I will send it to her. I'll do that. Thank you. OK. So what was the address again? 97 97 far view way. And if you come down North Pleasant Street after the roundabouts roundabout at Eastman Lane, head down North Pleasant Street. Take your first left on Old Town and you take your first right after that. And that's far of your way. That's in the neighborhood where Nani lives. Yeah. Yeah, great. OK. So that's planned. Significant tree ordinance, Sarah. So there's been some comments. Um, I think I it still needs another round of compiling and revising and then editing again before we're ready to start reaching out to Town Council or any other groups to to get some drafting ideas. So I think I'll compile everything that everyone's kind of submitted so far. Gordon sent some comments yesterday and send it out for another round. I'm thinking this is going to be a slow kind of process. You know, better to get it right the first time and, you know, submit something that we think is a really solid document that has a good shot than trying to rush it. So I think it needs another round of editing and revisions before we're ready to broadcast it further. Would you like help with that revision and stuff? Or is that something you want to do and then? I'm happy to compile the edits so far. But if anyone is interested, I think it'd be good to have someone do a dedicated edit, like, you know, like just read through and really do a hard edit for, you know, clarity of ideas, which is kind of what we've been talking about so far. But really also things like grammar and punctuation, spelling errors, you know, the flow of the document. So if anyone's interested in helping with that level, that'd be great. Otherwise, I'm happy to do it. I haven't had as much time this week to this month, sorry, to spend doing that level of editing that I wanted to. So I'm happy to take that on if no one else is interested. OK. Ben, that's probably the best person I've ever seen. OK. Ben, it's probably the best person for that, since he writes professionally. So I'll ask him if he wants to do the edit for grammar and clarity and all that. Sure. That'd be great. OK. Good. What's next? T-shirts. Do we have T-shirts, Shashana? Not yet. They have to get paid for it first, and then we'll have them. OK. Yeah. It'd be nice to have them Saturday, but I guess it's a small planting anyway. But yeah, well, it was it was confusing because it's like, you know, I told him I told the guy, Greg or whatever his name is, like, OK, sends the invoice to the the place that you you gave me. And and then like, he didn't get back for a little while. So then I'm like, send the the invoice to the thing. And then he's like, you send it. And then I was like, you know, I don't have a printer. I was thinking I had to like print it out and bring it actually in. But then I just like sent it to Alan on email. And I was like, just all right, screw it. That'll be enough, I can hope. That's perfect. Yeah. That's weird on his part. Isn't it like it seems like, you know, he would want to like get paid as fast as possible. OK, so we talked about the placards website. Ben, it's not here on Facebook. I'm working on a little sign for our tree planting this Saturday right now. Great.  And and Sarah sometimes sends me some some good leads and I put those on there. So keep that up. That's good. Good stuff. Good stuff. Good. Any time I I see a fun tree thing, I think of you and send it for them. And I've added a few things, too. We're still not getting massive amounts of response. We don't have 6,000 followers yet. So we got to work on that. Well, I'm hoping that tomorrow's trivia thing will help like get some of our some of our name out there so that people know we exist, you know, that's part of my my whole plan on why I'm putting together this team. When we sign into the Zoom, we'll change our names like on the on the thing here to, you know, tree committee or shade tree committee and then our name. Great. So we'll be identifiable and people will see it. OK, that's great. Becky, Instagram. I had to unmute. I haven't, I don't think added anything to our Instagram page since the last time, but I've been like on it, like liking and following people to get them to like like and follow back and stuff like that. It's just really interesting. I think I said this before, but to see like tree committees and other towns on Instagram and see what they're doing and and just like you know, other tree people out there. It's cool. Great. Yeah. Yeah, I I've liked the Arlington and the Greenfield tree committee and on Facebook so I get their things. And yeah, I forwarded something from Arlington. I forget what it was, but I have a great photo, but it's on my phone. I can't seem to get it. Get it onto my computer, but I found a sassafras tree that I could hug and wrap my arms all the way around and not quite touch up in dry hills in Montague. So I thought that was kind of cool. So and I was thinking some people use sassafras as a street tree, particularly for the south. Alan says they're not the hardest wood, but I'd like us to consider maybe adding sassafras to our mix here. I love the trees. They're very good. I mean, that might be something if you want to because they're not that. Nurseries don't carry them a lot. So that might be a tree to see you get some bear rootstock in the spring to plant a nursery. Yeah, I would I would like that. So. Anybody else have. Thoughts going once, no. OK, the junior tree committee, I think, is not happening because they can join the regular committee and Julian has put in the case. Yeah, is our wind interested in joining officially or now she wants to just be a satellite figure. OK, all right. And other diversity is a shortage of men, at least at this meeting. But. Yeah, all right. Statewide efforts, we're not going to really talk about that today. Nutri inventory just stays up to remind us. Any other comments from the committee? So is fire view one word or two? Far view, far view. Oh, far view, like it's far away. Yes. OK. And it's one word. Yes. Man, good thing I asked extra because. Because I would have messed it up. Far away. Auto correct charge changed. It's a fair view. No, it's far view. I have a comment, a suggestion. I was thinking for the tree placards for twenty twenty one, it might be fun to do the trees that are along like in downtown Amherst or in on the green. Just because with people dining outside and social distancing and if we had the trees that are right in town with IDs and signs on them, people would might see them more and kind of know what the tree placards are about.  They'll kind of know what it is. So even if their trees are small, if we did them in an area where a lot of people see it, we'd get more people interested in in the tree committee and in trees and street trees. And I thought it could be a fun idea to do at least a couple of them as a an ID event. So we could invite people to ID the trees with us, which we could do when we hang up the signs. So that is just an idea. I know with social distancing, probably for a long time, we might not want to draw a crowd in a place where there's a lot of congregation already, but it could be a way to kind of get people more interested in the street trees that are in highly trafficked areas. That's great. This is, you know, I like that idea of having the placards on trees in well-frequented areas. I like that idea. It'd be an Arbor Day activity. Oh, that's a good idea. Yeah. I was also thinking about tree placards for like the next round and maybe including, I don't know, but like the age of the tree or something like that, I always find it really fascinating how, you know, trees have such long life spans compared to us. And so one of the things that I tend to like to think about is how, like, you know, what this tree must have like seen in a way compared to us. So maybe including the age or some or estimated age of the tree on there. Oh, yeah. Like maybe like what was maybe some sort of like news event that was happening when it was a seedling that might be interesting in the future of, you know, for something like that. Can say come up with a reasonable estimate for an age. Yeah, some of the trees you might be able to if they're in, you know, areas that historically, you know, we have records for, especially this downtown, we can kind of get an idea of, you know, to the use of photos and other things when the tree was planted. And we can guess that's great. Well, we can start thinking about jumping spider. It's not a cat, but it's a anyway. All right, that's great. I like that idea, both ideas, the event, having it as an event and getting the age on the placards. One problem with the smaller trees is the numbers are going to be very low. So maybe we don't put the, you know, this tree is valued at $62, you know, but we don't have, we can redo it to add other pieces of information.  So, you know, we want to encourage you to plant trees. You can say you plant tree today, you know, the next generation, this tree will be providing X number of benefits. And every year it gets better and better and does more and more, which is, you know, unusual for most of our infrastructure starts degrading as soon as you, you know, build it. Trees get better. Yeah, that's a good idea and a good point, Henry. I can draft up a secondary placard so we could have, you know, one that we use for the more mature trees where we do the monetary value and then we could do something that's maybe a different version about projections and maybe a little bit more focused on tree ID characteristics or species characteristics that could go along with future benefits of the tree. So I can draft up an alternate version and we can move forward with that concept for 2021. Awesome. Sounds like we got a plan. Great. All right. Anything else? Anything from you guys in the peanut gallery gallery that we can't see? Rana, Gina and Claudia. I found to be the third day if I'm in time. I didn't hear that it cut out on me. Yeah, it was very. It was buffering up. Can you repeat that, Rana? Can we lose you? Oh, I'm sorry. Can you hear me now? Yes. OK, I found that Saturday planting location to be close and easily reachable by bike. So don't worry about giving me a ride. OK, great. OK, everybody go on the Facebook and like my little thing, I just put up there for the tree planting so that if it's get if it like gets more likes, it'll get more seen the way that Facebook does it. Nothing to add for me. And I'll go make sure to like post on Facebook. OK, anything else, Claudia? Hope that that was me. Oh, OK. And I'm fine. Thank you, Henry. OK, well, I think. Unless there's something else, our meeting can adjourn. Thanks, everybody. Saturday, 9 30 at Farview Way. Thank you, everyone. Have a good evening. You too. Be well. Bye.


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