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And we're going to start with at the top left of your screen, folks. That is fdub world. We're stoked to have you. He's a YouTuber and he's linked in the description. Want to ask you fdub world, we are thrilled to have you here. And if you could share, what can people expect to find at your link in the description? Thanks for being here. Thank you, James. And it's nice to meet both of you guys, actually. But yeah, on my channel is sort of a, it's mostly my opinion and things that I find that I've been learning things for five years about. I've been learning things that I never expected to learn about the world and about a lot of different things. But on my channel, I go and I put some of that information out as much as I can. I see a lot of things happening in the world today that seem to point to certain things. And so I investigate those and that's, I guess, what my channel is mostly about. You got it. Well, we're thrilled to have you here, fdub world. And both of our guests tonight, we're excited that both of them are first time on modern day to date. We're excited to have you guys. And so we'll kick it over to life. So that is life at the top right hand side of your screen. Thrilled to have you here for the first time. What can people, basically, can you give us a background? So life doesn't have a link in the description at the moment. However, if you can share life just about yourself, your own background, your interests regarding this topic especially.  Thanks for being here. Thank you. Thank you for hosting me. I would say I'm a truth seeker. So this is part of finding truth. I'm currently doing a master thesis in philosophy. I'm from Norway, so it's two o'clock right here now. So middle of the night, but that's OK. I'm a night owl also, so that's no problem. And yeah, I think that's that that's enough. Absolutely. Well, thank you very much as well, life. We're thrilled to have you. And so we're going to get the ball rolling with fdub world with his opening statement as he is arguing on behalf of a flat earth. So thrilled to have you here. The floor is all yours. OK, thank you, James. So this might be not not the cleanest presentation because I'm not good at that stuff. I have friends like Nathan Thompson and Austin with with it that are really good at firing off information quick. I'm not good at that. So but I'm just getting to share with you what I've learned. About flat earth, I've learned that it's not just a debate happening about the shape of the world. I mean, at first it was for me, but please listen to what I'm saying because what I'm saying and I'm trying to share with all of you. It's changed my life and we're talking about the shape of the world. It shouldn't really be that much of a life changing topic, but it is. So if you haven't investigated these things, I would say that would be very important in my opinion to do simply because of my experience in my own life. So now there's a few aspects of this. There's there's the physical observations we can make. We perceive things about the world. And I'm going to have you do make make an observation right now. Look at the ground beneath your feet. And the floor in your house. And is there in your. In your perceptions with your senses that you have in your body, is there any way that you perceive that floor to be rotating or moving in any kind of way? That's a question I ask because if we answer these questions, honestly. There is something I would call it being ignored by the better part of the world. And actually the whole world up till about five years ago or so. So that there's another aspect where there's scriptures, old writings. There's the Bible, there's the book of Enoch and there's particularly the book of Enoch, the first book of Enoch has some information that I think if a lot of you understood what and we're going to I'm actually going to tell you these what it says, we're going to read it. Um, it talks about a time. Where something would be revealed. And it happens to be something about the earth. And the reason it would be revealed was because the whole world was deceived about this thing. And it's about valleys and mountains and hills. It's about the earth. That Isaiah 40, I'll just tell you that it's it talks about how the valleys will be filled or and the mountains and hills will be made low. I mean, if we think about that, valleys filled mountains and hills made low. And it says that that's the glory of God being revealed. And all flesh will see it together. That that's it repeated again in Luke chapter three. And it actually says, and all flesh will see the salvation of God. And it's talking about the valleys being filled and the mountains and hills being made low. So I know I'm not talking about a lot of flatter proofs yet, but I'll get to that. Now there's a verse in Enoch, the book of Enoch chapter 45. It says that God will transform the earth. And make it a blessing. And he will cause his elect to dwell there. But not the sinners. They would not set foot on it. So I know a lot of people don't give any, you know, credit or veracity to the scriptures or any of these old thousands of year old writings. But you must know that they say these things in them, because that to me, it's very important because if we are living in a time like what a lot of people would understand Jesus returning coming back, or we could call it the end of the age. There's, prophets wrote about a time and I think there's a good possibility we're in that time right now. And I know a lot of people doubt that and oh, it can't be true. Oh, you just lost all credibility with me because you mentioned the Bible. Well, let's separate the two out. Okay, because I'm a 43 year old carpenter and I have owned a business for 25 years. And I, that's what I've done in my life. So I'm not, I'm not an abnormal person. I just see some truth that I never saw before. And I believe it. So let's talk about the globe and the flat earth. The globe is a belief that most of the world has. And the flat earth is also just the same. It's a belief. So, and the reason why I can say that this is a belief is because nobody knows everything, only God. And there's a debate. That's how we know it's a belief. There's a debate and a lot of people will say, well, these are facts. Well, a lot of the facts that I see see on the the globes team are easily refuted and actually blatantly false in a lot of cases. So there's two parts of the earth that I want to talk about are two parts of our reality. There's the earth we live on. And then there's the sky above it. OK, so this is where I want to separate out observations and actual perceptions that we have versus a concept or an idea where you have to take your mind and go somewhere to perceive it. It's not you couldn't knock on on it with you with your knuckles, you know, actual observations we can. So like when I say we were all taught that the earth beneath our feet is orbiting around the sun, when actually every single one of us observes and perceives a sun coming up over the horizon in the east and going down, going over our heads and going down in the west. So we can't ignore that. That's an actual observation. So the the orbiting around the sun is not what I observe. And it's not what I perceive. It's actually an imaginary concept that no one perceives. We just have a lot of people believe that. And I personally, I think it's because we've all been taught that since we're children, but that a lot of people continue to believe that even though it's challenged because they don't. Want to jeopardize. What we feel confident in what we all feel confident in every one of us used to live on a globe. And now there's several people that have learned, well, there's another way to look at it. And so that's why I think it's really important is there's another way to look at it. There's things like the solar eclipse and I filmed it and actually I might do a little bit of video behind me if I can. The I went down in 2017. I went down and filmed a solar eclipse from Nebraska. And I was in the totality and there was a shadow. And here's the here's what the shadow looked like, a time lapse of it. And that that dark part of the shadow is two and a half minutes. I think it was about two minutes and 30 seconds. I'll just let that loop in the background for a minute. Because if you want to talk about. Reality that that shadow I filmed it, that's reality. And I'll actually play if I can find it. I will play the the eclipse. I got some film of it, too. So when that happens, there's a 70 mile, about 70 miles shadow on the ground, that diameter, 70 mile diameter shadow. And we can prove that that that is not the distance of the sun and the moon are nothing like what we're being taught in schools because of, let me find this video, things like this. I took my drone when you have when the sun is shining on something, you make a shadow, the shadow doesn't become a miniature thing of what is casting the shadow. Here's an example of that. I have my drone just on the road. Just watch the drone. Is it shrinking? Whoops, I'm in the way. Is it shrinking in size? No, it doesn't get smaller. So I think that the moon either has to be much smaller or or it's just something we don't understand. It's not a physical thing. So there's some some things like that. Curvature, water is a natural level and level is a horizontal line. I'm just kind of going through a few of the things that I reasons why I see some of these things the way I do. So I had a video of I don't know where it is. Of the shore. Oh, here we go. Or of the ocean, the horizon at the ocean. So we you guys can see that left to right. It's a straight line, level line, flat line. It isn't it isn't curved or anything. And so when we see ships starting to disappear as they go over the curvature, that's only about three miles away that that starts. So if that was the case, we would also have to see the curvature left to right. And we can actually see much farther left to right than we can just right in front of us. So it's an optical illusion that's making things go over a curve or make them appear that way. What are we doing on time, James? Do I got a couple of minutes yet? I'm almost done. You do. Yeah. OK, thank you. So there's things like that. There's a lot of topics that I'm sure we'll discuss tonight, the physical, you know, parts of the world. Now, I believe space. This is where I I'm going to be a little bit different from your other flat earthers, probably. And a lot of them know that I say this and disagree with it. Or, you know, I don't really it's not like we're in a battle or something. It's just I believe something different is happening when it comes to faking space. I don't think anyone's faking anything. OK. In fact, let me show you a video of. The space station that I took with my camera. It's not very good, and it's slowed down. It's pretty bad, but I'll have it playing in the background here. I'm going to move over to the side. You can tell it's the space station. So they launch that there's an aerospace industry that gets ignored by the flat earthers usually. So they they're not going to necessarily like me saying these things. But I I'm looking for truth, like like life said, he's seeking truth. That's what I'm doing. So I've found that I don't believe in a curve. I don't believe in a sphere. But I do look up and I see these lights and I take my camera and I zoom in on them and my telescopes and zoom in on them and look at them. And I look at the things in the sky. It's Starlink train or all the those strings of Starlink satellites. There's not those aren't on balloons, guys. If you say they're on balloons, it just means you're not looking into it. You're making an assumption and turning and running away. And unfortunately, I'm probably not making some of my friends happy. But but they know that I have said this for some time.  The the amount of energy that can be created with thrust. It's it's almost uncomprehensible. They're like with a shuttle with the solid rocket boosters. Those are.  Yes, faster than a bullet, a lot faster, because that's why they go up. They go out of the air. So then the question comes up, well, what's an orbit? Then how are satellites orbiting the earth? Well, they're not orbiting the earth. They're always up in the sky. And that's where I kind of have a different perspective. The sky in my what I believe about the sky is that it is heaven. And it is not a physical place. And you know how they're in zero gravity on the space station? They're free falling. They're free falling around the curve perpetually. Well, it's actually a lot worse than that. They're not free falling at all. They're in a realm of darkness. And I've learned from these old prophets, they told us that this stuff was going to happen. Enoch chapter 80, it says the whole order of the stars will be concealed from the sinners and the thoughts of those on the earth shall air concerning them. And they'll take them to be gods. And it says that they'll bring in their own destruction. And this is something I've started to understand. This whole world is confused about the stars and what the order of the stars is and what they even are. And I think now there's a way to see it more clearly if you can have an open mind. And because I'm not coming up with these ideas, if we look up at the sky, it is a it's a perfect clock throughout the year. It has the stars move. The stars are moving. Actually, that's another topic behind me. You can see this. No one should be saying that the stars aren't moving in the image behind me because they clearly are. And I have a telescope that I have a few of them, but a couple of them they have tracking and they'll follow like a side reel motor will go. And this proves that the ground is stationary. The ground is completely stationary and the sky is rotating. And then there's another aspect where you can go into that concept imaginary realm and you can say, well, if we lived in the stars and we look down, it might look like the earth is turning. Well, that might be so, but we don't live in the stars. Every single one of us lives all of our life right here on this ground, right here, the one that's beneath your feet right now that's not moving at all. If you could perceive it moving, please send send that over. And I'll I'll make an announcement on my channel. Oh, I guess someone showed us that the ground is moving. Because look around, I don't think it is. I think that's enough, James. I think I got a good, a good bit of information out there. You got it. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. We will kick it into life's opening statement. And so one moment as I unpin. Oh, that's right. Gallery. OK, here we go. So thank you very much. We are going to kick it over to your last life. We got two of me now, two moments. We're going to switch it into life's opening statement and want to remind you that our guests are linked to the description, folks, and life. We are thrilled to have you here.  That way we don't we don't have this happen again. And so thanks, everybody, for being here tonight. Excited to have you. This should be a lot of fun. And so want to remind you, folks, no matter what walk of life you are from, we do appreciate you being here and we hope you feel welcome. And life, I just want to be sure they can see you right when you launch in your opening. That's why I'm stalling. But they don't need to see me. They need to see the PowerPoint. You got it. So what I'm going to do is pull it open and then life. Thanks so much for your patience. The floor is all good. It's gracious. Almost the floor is all yours. Thanks for being here. Thank you. So the question before us is, is the earth flat? And I'm going to attack this problem from the perspective of the sun and how it would work on either the ball earth model or the flat earth model. And I'll just start off. My name is Leifegel Reva. I'm 32 years. I was a former atheist. I grew up an atheist and I'm currently a Christian. And that is due to my openness trait. So on the personality test, I score very high on openness, which also made me spend much time on the flat earth. So I love engaging with new ideas. And especially ideas, I think, do not make sense, which got me to become a Christian in the first place. After studying it, I found it to make more sense. And I'd say that the flat earth, it is able to make much sense. You don't need to... I know very many people ridicule it, but I think there is a conversation worth having, especially what it has going for it, is that when you prima facia look at the evidence, the most intuitive point is that it's actually flat. And since I have spent much time on the flat earth, I have found some objections that I haven't found answered any place. And those are what I will present here. Alongside another point, which I will probably not change my mind during this debate. And that is mostly because I don't like conspiracies. For me, it seems to be absolutely crucial to have a conspiracy to begin with. But I won't talk about that or use that as a point. Right now conspiracies could be, I think, but I would need to go way deep into that for even be able to actually change my mind here. But if I get answers on these questions, I will be way closer than what I am now. I'll simply give very, very few... I'll simply give very much of what flat earthers claim. And focus in on some few particular issues that I think does not work on the flat earth model. And also argue that this does work on a ball earth model. I won't argue against a whole lot of arguments because I think many flat earth arguments does work. And also I don't know enough here. So I recognize that most flat earthers have studied this theme very deeply. You need to study deeply to be able to change your mind from going ball earth to flat earth. That is quite a high toll to take. So I know many people here have a lot of knowledge. And I might just not have stumbled upon the flat earth answers to my arguments. I'll be talking about the sun and the south. I'll simply give that everything works equally well on the north side of the equator on both flat earth and ball earth. And on both in a sun and a season perspective. And I'll use three points of reference, primarily Pitharinas in south of Chile, Dunedin south in New Zealand and Port Elizabeth south in South Africa. The reason I use this is because we need to use the most or the evidence that we actually have. And I know people who have been to these three places. So at least it's second hand, even though I haven't traveled there, which would be better. I at least have my trust. Forgive me for my interruption. I just want to quick ask and I promise I'll give you this time back. Did you want your PowerPoint to be showing right now or you're so waiting to launch it? I wanted to show now. OK, if you go into screen share, the green button on the very bottom in the middle, that'll be the way that I can get it back up. Yep. Also want to let you know, folks, missing 411, we are going to have a debate on that topic tomorrow. That's been rescheduled as well. And so tomorrow night, I will be here. I am excited to see you folks then and back to you, life. Thanks so much. No problem. So can everyone see the PowerPoint now? Absolutely. That's great. So I will have seven arguments, the argument from seasons and an analog argument from the midnight sun in Antarctica, the argument from view distance on the sun, the argument from the sun path, the argument from where the sun is, the argument from the sun and the horizon and argument for a better model fit. I'll just say right away, I'll use the word model. I know some flattered others don't like that word, but it just means if it was like this, then this would be the case. And I think that that must be something we're able to do when we're talking about these possibilities. So the flatter the sun and the seasons are this this picture right here is what many flattered others would say is at least pretty accurate. But I would say it's it seems to be very accurate in the north side of the equator. So you can see that the sun goes makes up for the seasons in the north. But on the south part here, for instance, in south of Chile or in Australia, this this the seasons here would be changing between winter and super winter. There would be no summer in in the south part on this model. But what would make sense of seasons was if this was the case. Or this is this does not entirely make sense. It seems like the light source wobbles. So what would make more sense is if the earth is tilted. That would also make sense of of seasons. But I grant that this is not absolutely decisive. But but it does at least make sense of of how seasons actually work on the entire earth, not just in the north part. Then I'll go on to an argument from the sunlight and the spot light, because most flattered earthers would say that the sun works as a spotlight. Again, this works perfectly well within the northern part or northern hemisphere or northern part of the equator. But outside, it doesn't make sense at all. So if we if we bring our attention to south of Argentina or Chile, you'll see that it has sun for just a couple of hours or some hours at the absolute most. It's about seven and a half hours. And then and that's at the most in June. No, no, no, in December, sorry, where it's the closest. And then the days will just be shorter. And then the days will just be shorter in in. Yeah, it will be shorter. I'll illustrate it with how light actually works on a flat earth. In June, this does work. The model, it works north to south. But March to September, it's no longer a spotlight. It's a half piece swirling around the earth. And and in December, it doesn't make sense at all. So I'll even give that you're not able to do Antarctica trips. And we don't know that's all perfectly fine with me. You still have this weird shape that still makes a whole lot of problems, even if it doesn't go entirely entirely around. Also, can to to that earth position. And what does make sense of the sunlight and how we see it is like this, as if the. We had North Pole and the South Pole in the top and bottom, but what makes even more sense with from the sunlight is this, that the earth is tilted and a globe. And then we can watch at the sun and and how it places on the sky, because you still can go. You can see where does the where is the sun right now? You can go to a clock in time or night time and time and date. Dot com, which I have seen many flat earth refer to because they align with observations. And you would expect on a flat earth that these degrees are what you actually see the sun, because the sun is here. And at this point in time, but what what we actually see. Is that you see almost on the entirely opposite way. And on some sometimes and sometimes just really not where you expected to find it on a flat earth, but it would make sense if the globe, the earth was a ball with light shine shown like this. And especially if you tilted the earth and it went around the sun like this. And then we have a problem with the view distance and the sun on the flat earth, because as Joe here even mentioned, there is a problem with how far you can watch on or see on on flat earth. And to see the the sun in in June. This is how long you have to see, which is way further than a flat earth or would normally say we could see it, it would be only a couple of kilometers. And but I also can strengthen the flat earth position and say, well, it's about the atmosphere, the higher it is, the better you can see, because the atmosphere is less dense. But you still have a problem here, because you can see about this long in June. But in December, you would expect them the day to be even shorter, because you can see a smaller part of the circle. If you could see as long in June as in December. But what is actually the case is that we can see way much further, because the day in December is 18 hours instead of, no, 17 hours instead of seven and a half hours. So suddenly, you can see twice as long. And to further complicate the problem, there's an entire area where you can't see the sun at all. And I'm only talking about pure daylight time. Pure daylight time, so actually able to see the sun. Which is another problem, because when we talk about the horizon, this curvature here will be especially interesting. You can see the long curve here. Remember, this is actual daylight, so you actually see the sun. So that's next argument. Yeah, this would make more sense on this model. This is an image I've actually gotten from a flat earth to say that way. Wait a minute, the earth is actually flat. He says you won't expect this curvature to be the case in if the model was what I said. But if you were in Arenapanthus at the 22nd of December, the earth path, no, the sun path would be like this. Because you would see the earth, no, the sun for 17 hours. So that should be a 17-24th of a path. And this is by no stretch of an imagination what you actually see. It would, on the other hand, make sense if you had a globe earth doing like this, but preferably it would be tilted so that it actually matched the observations we see. So to finalize everything, the argument from the models based on the south, if it was a ball of earth, if the ball of earth was true, one would expect that north and south was in many senses mirrored like in the aspects of seasons and periods of light relative to the year. But if the flat earth with the sun path as shown was the true one, one would expect that there was big differences in how everything worked while inside the circle, so in the northern part, and while outside the circle like seasons and periods of light relative to the year. On the flat earth model, there would be a huge difference in how the sun would be viewed through the year if you lived in the zone between the two extremities in the circle on the flat earth of the sun. I assume I haven't made myself clear enough, so I look forward to clearing up things in a discussion with Joe. Thank you. Thank you very much, Life. For that opening statement, we are going to jump into the open conversation, folks, so this should be a lot of fun and we're going to jump back into the dialogue boxes, so if you haven't had any questions, folks, forgot to mention at the start, feel free to fire your questions into the old live chat, and if you tag me with at modern day debate, it makes it easier for me to see every question to get it into that Q&A list. Also, tomorrow, Missing 411, the debate will be on between Tom Jump and James W, so that should be a lot of fun, and so don't forget to tune into that, that should be a juicy one, and with that, gentlemen, thanks so much. The floor is all yours. Well, that was definitely a good bit of information. I wrote some stuff down. The sun, now, of course, the conversation can be directed whatever way you want it to life, because I have an idea about the sun that it's not something I would be able to prove, but when I look at the creation story in Genesis, I realize, and a lot of the Flat Earthers point this out, that God created light three days before he created the sun, so I'm not saying I understand anything that you don't. I'm not trying to say that, but I do see the sun to be something that may not be physical. It may be of a nature that we don't quite comprehend in our physical material world, so here's an example. My brother lives in Florida. I live in Minnesota. He's like 1800 miles away, and at lunchtime here, or basically in the middle of the day here, I look up and I see the sun, and with the clouds beneath it and what the light does through the clouds and everything, it appears, it actually appears to be right above those clouds, but the same thing applies at the same time for my brother, 1800 miles away. Do you get what I'm saying there? I'm saying it doesn't necessarily make sense in our physics understanding. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, would you like me to engage with that right away, or? Yeah, go for it, yeah. So my biggest problem here is that I hear what you're saying, but to me it seems like the globe earth model would explain that in a very, very good way, so much so that it seems, it's okay, you could explain it in a way when it's just inside America, but when you do the same experiment with one from Chile, one from South Africa, and one from New Zealand, you actually get a superior problem, it seems to me. Like a discrepancy you're saying. Yeah, and it seems so massive of a problem that I'm unable to see how the flat earth is able to make sense of that. And that brings up the, you know, you brought up models and a lot of people don't like that word. Well, I kind of have like a thought in my head every time I hear the word model, I understand a map is a map. I could draw a map of my backyard and make it accurate and send someone out on a treasure hunt or whatever, and they'd be able to find what I, you know, with a map. So the maps are great and the model of the earth, we have all these different layouts that we use, you know, for flying and for lots of different things. And I think that they're, in general, they're made the way they are because they work a certain way. And I do think that a lot of that seems to be assumption, I guess that might not be the right word, things that we perceive and then we come up with an idea why we perceive it that way, rather than, and we don't really know. What I always say is the model, the best model I could come up with of the flat earth is the one that's out your front door and out my front door. When you look up at the sky and you look up, you know, you look at the actual reality we're in and it's quite amazing. And I myself, I'm never going to claim to understand it all. But but yeah, you can go ahead. So I agree with the sense that if you were to just go out and watch around the world like Nathan Thompson says, like the most intuitive point is actually that it is flat. I'm okay. Thoroughly okay with that. And I think that's some of the strength of the flat earth way of seeing things. It seems very intuitive. But then the question is if we do, if we look even further, like for instance with this sun that we need to we need to explain in some way that we can see the same sun from different parts of the world at different times. That's an obvious fact. And for that to make sense that you can see it at the same time in New Zealand, South Africa and Chile. And in the angles you see them like the red arrows I had. That lends itself to the only explanation I can see. I'm open to there being other but the only explanation I can see which seems as intuitive as when I go out and see I see the earth is flat. The best explanation of that is that the earth is actually a ball. And then we have to explain, okay, why does it seem flat? Well, that's how we get to for instance gravity and all the other controversial flat earth kind of. But that is to make sense of obvious observations like that. Yeah. And like you were saying in your opening thing, you're interested in truth. At the same way, that's why a lot of the things I can't make any assumptions. And I think it's because a lot of the things that we're talking about are it's something that we can perceive through like you're in Norway, you said. And I'm in Minnesota and James is somewhere probably not in Minnesota. What I'm saying is we have three different areas and we have sets of eyes and we can look at these things. All three of us and we can communicate all at once what we're seeing. And an example of this is I have a friend on Facebook and he's got a YouTube channel Dave Marsh. I don't know if you guys know him, but he films the moon a lot. And I can't remember exactly where he is. But I do know he's far enough away that the moon, it'll be nighttime and he'll film the moon while I'm filming the moon in the daytime. So it's interesting that we can do that and we can talk back and forth to each other. So that that is another thing that we do probably have to throw into the conversation at some point is a lot of these ideas and I'm not saying that I know them all or something, but a lot of these ideas that we have about like I'll call it the heliocentric solar system or whatever. A lot of them come from really old dead guys. So I'm just saying that and of course we talk about them today and so I'm you know I'm not trying to insult you. But I think that in 2021 we have far better optics than we've ever had. We have instant worldwide communication like what we're doing right now. They couldn't do this even 20 years ago or maybe 25 years ago. There's no way to do this. And so what I'm saying is with the technology we have, there is some kind of ways of seeing possibly ways that those old dead dudes were wrong. And I'm not trying to say I know everything, but I always it was Galileo that I think it was him that added a lot of credence to the idea of gravity because he had a telescope and he looked up at Jupiter and he saw moons and they were going around Jupiter. And I see that through my telescope. But that doesn't mean really anything about the ground. You know what I'm saying? So I a lot of people when I would say oh the earth is flat it's not a planet. Well they would say oh so everything else is a planet but earth isn't. And I say well you can look at it that way or you can look at it the way I look at it from my two eyes standing on the ground here and I say all those are lights in the sky and I'm on something solid and stationary that doesn't appear to I mean when you're in a jet the ground's always underneath you.    When you're flying in a plane you've probably seen a boat sailing away on a time lapse and if you look at the path they're they're trying to go in a straight line but they're over long distances it's going to be you're not going to be able to just point your steering wheel and go in a straight line over long distances you're going to be all over the place and so in a plane or a jet they're flying on a heading they're flying with the compass. So if they're turning slightly that there's really no way I don't think I don't think there's really a way to know that you're actually doing a circle because it seems like you're just flying straight forward but your heading is slightly changing as you're going around that's just what I think but go ahead sorry. Okay first off I'll agree that there are so many bad arguments against flat earth people who really really really do not understand the concept like for instance if you look up all other planet stars. Spheres. Yes spheres. Well that doesn't even engage with the flat earth model in any way. So yeah I'll agree that there are heaps of bad arguments. I'll say that the airplane argument you just used seems to me to be equally effective on or equally problematic on the flat earth as on the ball earth which is what I think of many many of the arguments going back and forth that they work or do not work basically equally well or bad because on the flat earth you still have the circle which you need to so the compass is still pointing to the north and you need to go to you need to turn just as much on the flat earth and I just see that as going either way equally plausible implausible doesn't get us anywhere is there something I'm missing then. No I think you have a good point you know I don't think that if a jet was going over curvature of the earth like that that would probably be equally undetectable as it would be doing a slight turn because I don't think I think it'd be a small enough amount that you wouldn't necessarily be able to even perceive it from inside of a jet or you know. So could I ask you do you acknowledge that if there was a midnight sun in Antarctica that would be a major problem of the flat earth? To be honest I can't really give much of an opinion on that but I guess the way that like I was saying I think some of these things I don't understand and I look at you know information from people and I don't understand how some of these things like how you were showing the sunlight having to almost wrap around on a flat map how it kind of has to wrap around to to match what we actually perceive in the world to reality. I don't understand that so I can't argue for or against that and I basically my excuse would be because I think the sun personally I think it's something that is not it's in a place that's not physical the same way that the earth is so light might be different and stuff like that so I can't really say on that. So would would you say that the sun is or the sun is at least that in in some sense the source of where at least some light stems from or? Certainly certainly I think there's sunlight and I mean I was talking about the shadow of that eclipse yeah exactly 70 miles wide I mean I'm not trying to change topics though maybe that's something we can talk about is the the size of the moon and then the size of the shadow it makes on the in reality something's wrong there okay but but as far as the it just seems like I can't explain a whole lot about the sun I know that it it is a light source for sure but then when you know when this before the sun comes up over the horizon and it starts to be daylight or you know that the light starts coming in I think that's a different kind of light myself and okay yeah they're like and I'm not gonna try to explain it but if you take some of those noble gases that we know are in that upper upper levels of the atmosphere they see I don't remember the chat or what's the chat Dan dimension is the channel that he's sent I think it's it's Dan dimension sent balloons up and some of the video he catches is just beautiful but I think it was him that also did took some some of these gases and uh like energized them I'm I don't know all the right words but put electricity to him or whatever and and they light up and be a certain color like argon and all the neon or whatever all those yeah that's and they seem to be almost the the colors that we see at like sunset and and sunrise as as the sun's coming in we get these colors you know and so it seems to me like maybe that somehow the sun is making the air around the sun like for you know further away from the sun and maybe that's has something to do with the blue sky and daylight you know and and then of course I do I I do acknowledge that the sun is also a very clearly a light source so I would like to have some some sort of engagement I do respect that you can't talk on on things you you don't understand the same way I can't talk on things I don't understand so so yeah I I respect that but is there any of the arguments I made that you think that that actually seems like a something we could discuss or I do have I the stuff I wrote down there is a topic I hope you don't mind if I get for a second um Paul wrote something in Romans that uh so if we're if we were going to be talking about models you know how I'm actually going to try to pull a video up here and get it just in the background um but Paul seemed to have written about possibly written about this topic right now that we're talking about um and saying that maybe maybe I think maybe we've been born into a time where the this whole world was truly mistaken about almost all of this um which is I know sounds crazy excuse me but okay so I I named this little clip it is called epic fail because epic is the satellite that uh took it um but when we look at when we look at that uh now I know this doesn't necessarily go with like what you were saying about the sun but it sort of does because if we are misunderstanding one thing it could make us misunderstand many more beyond that that are related you know um but one thing is in Romans one Paul said uh let's see it was in verse I can just start in verse 21 it says because that when they when they knew God they glorified him not as God neither were thankful but became vain in their imaginations and their foolish heart was darkened professing themselves to be wise they became fools and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like two corruptible man and two birds and four-footed beasts and creeping things and I when I read that um it even says in verse 25 it says who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshiped and served the creature more than the creator who is blessed forever amen um I think this is just my own opinion but if we try um let me think of an example uh a folk called pendulum or whatever if we take a pendulum and swing it we find that it it turns it seems to turn right as as it's swinging um I think if we if we're not careful we could make up an idea that has nothing to do with any science but more or less that's just it it gets a little bit of a left or right uh you know movement in it and then over over an hour or two hours or 24 hours or whatever it starts turning um it could just be a simple physical thing that's happening but if we you know tell ourselves that it's because of something turning or rotating or we give it credit you know in a certain area we and we're wrong that's going to give us like a false confidence in what we're actually perceiving and observing um and I and like like it said in their professing themselves to be wise they became fools I mean we can we can try to learn a lot with science but um there's there there's things that when when they uh seem to contradict or or clash with each other that it seems like uh most of the science community is very good at ignoring these things um one of them oh go ahead go ahead so I I'd say that um the arguments I I try to to use um is thoroughly on the the typical flat earth premises uh they're based on observations from the normal people everyone can go see them we can just make a chat like this and connect people and so I'm trying to do to do these arguments on the flat earth premises so that we we don't need to get into conspiracy theories or what is actually science what is controversial does gravity exist um all these kinds of the base I'm trying to avoid because they clutter the conversation did Adam have a belly button I'm just kidding exactly like that yeah yeah yeah yeah so so um that's why um I would like to talk about these arguments and in that matter I I probably should have sent them to you at first oh that's fine um I have no problem with because I was listening to to I was listening to what you were saying and I I can't say that I disagree with all the things that you're saying because you're coming at you're coming at this from a very uh it's it appears a very open minded um actual truth seeking and so that's I think it's important that we don't become biased towards one side or the other and it's not a battle like that it's actually it should be more like people pointing things out and saying well I guess we don't know because we can kind of have some different ideas here I guess we don't know this um and that and then we can we can just learn that's all we can do is learn more when we talk about it you know um and conspiracy I I kind of agree with you on the conspiracy thing too yeah I kind of figured that since uh you don't want the entire space space uh uh so could you talk about how you see the space how does that work on your view okay um you ready somewhat I just I know I have a different point of view than a lot of people and it yeah that's exactly why it comes from these old books these old books yeah just what I'm finding in them it's insane it's it the the subject matter in my mind doesn't belong in an ancient script where where it's talking about the future and it's talking about this debate it's talking about this subject you know uh Jesus himself he said something in Matthew 24 when when his disciples asked him privately they were they asked him what is going to what's going to happen what's going to be the sign of your return when you're going to come back and he said all of these different things but one of the things he said in in verse 14 in Matthew 24 he said in this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached unto all nations as a witness and then shall the end come and to me what I think he's talking about there is new Jerusalem which in Revelation John sees new Jerusalem the temple of God coming down out of heaven from God um and I I I'm just going to be blunt and honest that's what I believe flat earth is part of um I'm not saying that the earth itself is new Jerusalem or something but uh there's there's scriptures uh uh second Ezra as it was one of the books that was taken out of the 1611 King James um that that was uh Ezra and one of the things he said in chapter seven I think verse 26 he said that the time would come when the most high would start to rescue people from the earth um I think that's what that verse but it says and the the land that is now hidden will be openly displayed there's verses like that second Baruch 51 verse 8 it basically says the same thing uh the the the world that they can't see now will become visible to them and the time that they can't see will become visible to them um so yeah go ahead I'm not yeah I'm not sure I want to go um into the biblical material okay no that's I I would like to uh just hear your thought why you think that matches better with a flat earth uh view than a globe earth view I don't see how how it matches better better at all um which aspect are you talking about like uh for instance the hidden hidden world hidden uh yeah hidden aspects of the world why does that work better on flat earth well I think it's um I think it's something that probably a lot of people haven't thought about before um or haven't considered it in a certain way you know if people people would say oh uh bible says flat earth it's you know they say that that it says that the bible biblical cosmology is a flat earth or whatever and I I agree um but I but even I think another aspect that that seems to be um not noticed very much is the the prophecy I guess it would be like the the prophets that wrote these old books they wrote of a time when the stars were gonna fall and this you know that that whole thing uh this and the sky would roll back like a scroll and um I think that that I kind of I kind of lost my train of thought where I was going with that um go ahead uh yeah I um from what I heard now you use new places which actually uh at least in a possible way uh does engage with uh is it flat or uh whatever but uh but but the uh places you have already been to like romans won second asteris and these places to me it doesn't seem like you're making an argument for a flat earth like okay I understand yeah I understand what you're saying now um so that that I was kind of where I lost my train of thought was this aspect that a lot of people may not have have considered before is if it was if the old prophets wrote that there was a time that there would be a different world revealed revealed by god like it like not you know it'd be supernatural um and that's what it appears like uh in Isaiah this is something that we could go over that does really lend a lot of uh credit or whatever to the flat earth do you want to let you guys know that we'll probably be going into into Q&A shortly okay sounds good uh Isaiah 40 I'll just read uh two verses and you'll get the idea um because we know that valleys and mountains and hills these are what make the shape of the earth and that they make the ground and it says in verse four in Isaiah 40 every valley shall be exalted and every mountain and hill shall be made low and the crooked shall be made straight and rough places plain and the glory of the lord shall be revealed and all flesh shall see it together for the mouth of the lord has spoken it so that to me that if we have valleys and we fill them if we have mountains and hills it becomes you know so the concept is there um but a lot of people also telling me that's not talking about the earth and I say well I think it's specifically talking about the earth because that's what valleys and mountains and hills are so if I were to respond to that I would say like oh um I'm a very big fan of just giving as much as I can so let's take let's give your interpretation uh I would say well uh god could just say that uh the new creation would actually be flat but this creation is not we observe that it's not and that's that's one thing where I think with our optics that we have we can observe that yeah we can see past a curve so so I agree many of the flat earth experiments are really fascinating and I'm not sure I can answer many of them for instance how far you're able to see I'm able to concoct something while the atmosphere bending light blah blah but what I do see as clear arguments are the ones I've given and and those seem so strong that I would need someone to to engage with those specific arguments not um using local arguments like how far you can see or uh so so take the the sea distance I engaged with that I said that uh suddenly uh if uh how far you can see is actually a problem that's so much more a problem that you can see the sun or whatever the light source is from a distance that should equal about from South America to Australia that that seems like something that cries out for explanation then I would have to agree um if I was going to say that I had any understanding how that can happen I I wouldn't have any words because I don't understand how I mean I don't a lot of the things that we see happen in the sky seem to be the same here as they are uh so far away at nearly the same time um and then of course we have we have seasons and and then we also have day and night at the same time like I can understand some of those things because of what the sun does I mean it doesn't do this every day but I think we've all seen images of the sun literally appearing to go past the horizon appearing to go down into the ground if that's what it appears to do um but when I when I really start thinking about some of these observations I I tend to I actually have an explanation for them uh that it's pretty easy to see on your own um just by paying attention that like when you're driving down a road and you get that mirror reflection uh uh you know of the road in front of you if you're close enough down to the ground you can get get kind of that I think they call like uh mirage or whatever um if you take and you if you just lower your head uh a foot or or whatever you'll be amazed at how much that changes just by going up and down a foot and you're looking hundreds of feet in front of you and you see it it drastically changes uh from almost none to just by moving your head just this much and I noticed that on my motorcycle as I was riding and I was going well what's causing that then that's actually gotta be the limit of what our eye can actually resolve because and that's I think that's what that that horizon or that that vanishing point is and so there's a lot of you know I I do I'm able to see how the sun sets below the horizon like that but it's actually above us in the sky the whole time just going really far away um because that's anything above you in the air that's moving away from you the apparent direction it's going is down also away it appears to go down so I'll give you a chance to respond life before we go into the q and a because there are a number of points covered there and then we'll jump into it so um again and I just um I'd give that point and say well okay maybe it's um possible to explain on on the flat earth it seems like they have an explanation on the ball earth also so there we have a dead point yeah if you're saying a person could choose either way yeah yeah exactly yeah yeah all right I'm open to questions so yeah with that we will jump into the question and answer and so I want to say thanks so much everybody for those questions we're excited to get into these and we appreciate all of your support thanks so much sephirin for your let's see I saw you had a super chat but the question came in after so I'll read the question that came in after they said question for fdup world what causes the moon phases in the flat earth model um the the moon phases are there that's the moon it's a light that's it's a cold light that's another part of the uh something that science wants to ignore we have infrared thermometers that we didn't have 25 years ago or that they weren't available to the public or whatever I mean I maybe they had them I don't really know when they first started making those but it's technology that we didn't have at us and then at a certain point we did have and I've gone myself um with these and I've done several nighttime experiments and the moon makes surfaces cold and I know there's a lots of arguments so that's just the the the earth cooling down and the radiating heat not and I just say well it's it's very consistent uh that the side of my house becomes a different temperature uh quite literally colder if it is uh in the moonlight and then the shaded areas are warmer now I can't explain how that happens um I don't know of such a thing as cold light I really don't know how that works but it it appears and it's something that you could try yourself it so uh I don't know if that answers that at all you got it thank you very much Anna Gruber this brings the hammer down says so sad we have to debate this oh well be patient with those those globies out there you know it's um I know it's obvious but the globies okay John I'm kidding I'm teasing you globies we love you whether you be a globy or a flatty is that what it's called flatty globy yeah they're a flurfer or flurphy oh flamie oh thanks for your question said no flat earth or can tell me the caliber of the weapons the assault penguins use to protect Antarctica from investigation hmm can you cite these penguins I want to see these penguins I want to see these penguins I don't know what you're talking about gotcha so but I think what they're maybe trying to ask through a satire is maybe they're trying to grill you trying to say why is it that Antarctica like what's really protecting Antarctica that stops people from actually being able to go there weather gosh I think if you go if you go far enough south it gets really cold and it's hard to survive and there's certain rules that they do have like bringing fuel and things there that that is limited so I'm not saying they're trying to keep people out of Antarctica but it sure is hard to uh like if you wanted to go explore it how are you gonna do that you'd have to have quite the resources gotcha thank you very much and we have let's see so I'm just sorry if you notice I'm like trying not to laugh it's just that someone in the chat has been uh they most reason super chat was hardcore darkness says after world is a global sympathizer this they say you're you're friends and the enemy and his arguments do not reflect flat earth at all bring Nate Thompson on now well here's the here's what I gotta say about that Nathan Thompson's one of my good friends and I like what he says I don't agree with everything he says and he doesn't agree with everything I say but we're still good friends um if we knew everything if we knew everything then nobody would be having a debate right that's true so could I just quickly chime in so uh what one of the reasons I agreed to to speak with you Joe was that uh I saw your conversation with Nathan and you also recommended recommended the witsit debate here on yeah and and because of your demeanor actually being very nice and yeah so so your gentleman a it's possible to have a good conversation here so without it going sour right yeah I agree you're the same way you're very polite and um I think it I think debates work the best that way when people can actually communicate instead of yelling at each other or something you know but interesting you got it so we'll go to the next question thank you very much this one comes from apocalypse here who says for fdp world how do you know that the old testament and other jewish texts are talking about the earth as we know it and not what they perceive as the world around them given they didn't explore it fully like we have I don't think you have gotcha and this one guy thank you for your question says please allow p marz to debate I don't I'm I'm open to I feel like p marz I've seen that name in the chat but I might be wrong I'm open to it whoever p r p marz is let me know if they send me an email I'm just new to their name thanks for your question communist propaganda says question for fdp world who's paying to cover up the flat earth and why I don't think anybody's paying to cover up the flat earth I don't think that it's covered up at all I think that the reason why we're seeing some of these things come up in debates is because one big reason is technology and then I think the other reason is going to be debated no matter who you're talking to and that's I think it's spirit spiritual in nature I think it's coming from heaven gotcha and thank you very much for your question this one coming in from parody shrimp says modern day debate besides or uh they're saying uh let's see besides enok what other books does fdp world add to the traditional canon um I guess enok would probably be the only one that I would say would be an addition uh I have a 1611 king james bible that has several books that were removed out of it and I also that I think they're called apocrypha um I also read those and there's a lot of information in those books uh that that were removed out of the king james bible back I don't know when it was 1800 something I think yeah gotcha and catholic still used those books okay and thank you appreciate that and then question the answers thank you for your question says I love your show james I'm also christian and flat earther joe hill aka fdp world is a false teacher he drives people away from truth fact well for the part that was complimenting our show thank you they all take it bring it a chance to respond after world in defending yourself I will say this send another super chat to james and please be specific so that I can address what you're talking about if I'm being false that's specific parody shrimp thank you for your question says can after world explain what he thinks stars are in more in-depth way in a more in-depth way than quote lights in the sky what are they made out of they're made out of spiritual stuff they're angels that's what I believe um there there's this also and another thing in the book of enoc where in in chapter 71 and if you guys hear me saying bible verses or or book of enoc scriptures look them up because I'm only giving you just my little part that comes out of my mouth enoc has a lot more to say about all of these things but enoc chapter 71 enoc talks about how he was translated up into the heavens and he saw this crystal house and he saw all the angels in circling that house and so when I just realized um what that is as far as what I believe and it was those star trails like when we look at that if I can find them again oh here we are if we look at what these are doing I believe that the the star in the center and this this does raise another question that I know life right now is is like ready to ask me about the southern hemisphere um this is the north star and they go counterclockwise around this north star and enoc was talking about how these angels they were in circling that throne of god so I I personally think that that north star has something uh of great interest there and I don't necessarily know exactly the details but gosh and hardcore hard x-core darkness strikes again says bring Nate Thompson odd after world is a globy troll and does not support flat earth facts go to my channel go to my channel and then type the do a search for flat earth and see how many flat earth videos I made in the last five years juicy and thank you for your super chat from our dearest friend sigibrado sorabia he has been here a long time we appreciate it he says leaf or life sorry did I call you leaf earlier I'm so sorry if I did I think you've been consistent on life it's good thank you life so life is good they said how does a midnight sun not work on a flat earth on a flat earth if your model has sun getting closer to the arctic it happens on December 23rd with resurrection on the 25th how is it possible when adding a tilt or a phenomenon I'm gonna guess that's for leaf life yeah it was um could you repeat it I'm not sure I understand the question could you repeat it that's okay that's normal they they asked how does a midnight sun not work on a flat earth if your model has sun getting closer to the arctic so if so let's say it gets closer after so 23rd on 22 25th let's say that's exactly what happens that seems like a slightly minor problem to explain let's say there's something in the atmosphere I don't know but on the other hand if it is like the entire time on a flat earth that's a substantial major problem which cries out for an explanation which you can't just waddle a little bit with how light works or perception or some small details like that gotcha and let me double check someone said that was for for aft up world let me I could have sworn oh that one yeah it said life for aft up world though Sigefredo had a follow-up question saying how high is the sun does the bible give a hint um it's I think the the best I could do on that was it says I think in song I might be wrong there or it might be Isaiah it says that he set a tabernacle for the sun in the clouds I think gosh um so I think that's that's what comes to mind anyway you got it and remnant art thanks for your question said hello from Singapore hope you are well James thanks remnant art we appreciate the love that means a lot so excited I've been to Singapore right so anyway thanks for saying hello friend hard hardx core darkness strikes yet again oh my goodness he is just after you so hmm so is this uh no oh we've read that one don't worry obscure yes we'll take it easy on you aft up world obscure references though says seems there are flat earthers all around the globe oh so I think they're referring to that famous meme Joe was this meme oh I just realized the picture swapped on me uh let's see Joe are you still well that's okay I was just yeah I was they called me up to the space station so for a quick I just hopped on a dragon and rode up here so back to the question sorry you bet no problem it looks like a great time up there let's see let me start to breathe pull you into your spot here I am as I had mentioned that question had asked seems oh no they were referring to the meme the old meme of allegedly I had heard maybe you can let us know if this is fake or not so this kind of famous now meme of a flat earth group allegedly put out a statement saying we have flat earthers all around the globe without realizing that they were using the word globe and I have to ask you I've heard that that was that was faked is was that fake or was that the real deal hope it was faked because that's pretty sad if they actually because I think for most flat earthers the word globe is like oh watch what you're saying like if I say the word planet it really feels wrong to me because I don't think I think the planets are deceiving spirits and they take those forms so that we're deceived to defile man mankind so take take note gotcha what a tasteless joke and next thank you very much for your question this one coming in from Joe Knowles says after a world seems like a decent guy all things considered well that's nice here it comes I mean he's no Oakley am I right he is however a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic oh come on that's all right that's all right I pack a lunch when I go to work so nice and yeah I mean I'm sure they've never been in the space station so stick that in your pipe yeah there you go thanks remnant art for your other question says why is there still no functioning flat earth map and yet there is a globe mat map which works perfectly all the time well um I don't think there's ever gonna be a flat earth map that works perfectly all the time because there's not a globe earth mat map that works perfectly all the time either that just means you haven't actually tried to do anything with it there's lots of problems with a globe one being curvature there's no curvature that we can that we can find uh it appears that it curves sometimes in front of us but that has to be some kind of illusion because left to right it doesn't so spears curve in all directions uh uniformly so I think it would be kind of be a rule that it would have to have some curvature water doesn't take that curve shape so that's a that's another kind of tough one to answer juicy next question the answer says Joe aka fdb world you literally told someone they will lose their salvation if they don't believe that the international space station is a prison for fallen angels you deny this happened yeah I don't say that it's a prison for fallen angels the international space station is just a tin can that men launched up on rockets and they ride around on they're thinking they're doing science gotcha well let's see see prison the prison for fallen angels would be the solar system gotcha and thank you very much for your question this one coming in from Jamie Russell good to see you again Jamie says can the flat earth advocate fdb world point which way is south with his arm all directions that apply I can't while I'm in the space station I guarantee that I could flip my mic but that's about all um maybe just south south would be uh the opposite direction of north I think gotcha and thank you team oh your love in the chat totally appreciate it appreciate all of you guys in the chat by the way as a side note we've got more questions but I do want to give you guys love as we appreciate you guys being positive supportive thanks so much for doing that we do appreciate all your guys support we're thankful to you and we just appreciate you guys always being so for us and so next question this one comes in from you guessed it obscure references says is it difficult to find an astrophysicist or grad student willing to debate flat earth or is it so easy to debunk flat earth that anyone can do it that's a good question once you look at the screen man my my part see what do you think juicy well we do want to let you know while we're at it folks in terms of upcoming debates next saturday I didn't get to make the thumbnail yet so the event isn't up yet but fight the flat earth craig he will be debating alex stein on whether or not the moon landing was faked so that should be folks that should be an exciting one we hope you don't miss that and so hey as I mentioned don't forget a lot of times youtube may actually the the rumor is youtube sometimes will turn off your notifications so make sure that bell notification next to the subscribe button is clicked so that the bell is ringing so it has a little ringing symbols that way you won't miss that debate next corey asks thanks for your question says i'm from minnesota as is fdp world by the way i lived in minnesota eight years loved it and was going to ask a question regarding the north star polaris but never mind he thinks it's all angels or whatever is that true i think it is well you think that the north star is i think the north star is possibly the throne of god i'm not trying to say i understand it but it's a possibility you know chapter 71 thank you very much and oh we've got more questions folks don't worry ryan price says for flat earth side his name is on the screen so if the ground isn't moving why do drones that travel straight up seem to drift they don't i got a nice drone it doesn't drift at all i can i actually hacked mine so i can fly it a mile in the sky and comes right back down in lands of right where it lands right where it took off doesn't drift at all and thank you very much this question coming in from rabid raccoon says who came up with this conspiracy globe manufacturers that's a good question there that's a good question there i actually don't believe that there's a globe conspiracy i think that we were all born every single one of us i think we were born in a time where we've but we've inherited lies it's not like our parents did this on purpose or that they had any knowledge of it it was something that was hidden something that was hidden supernaturally and like inoc 45 verse five says that god's going to transform the earth and make it a blessing and so this this is possibly what someone was talking about salvation in one of the questions um it says that god will transform the earth and will cause his elect or and make it a blessing and cause his elect to dwell upon it but the sinners and unrighteous won't step foot on it think about that gotcha and thank you very much for your question this one coming in from anthony dickinson says okay i have a question for life why does he keep referring to the lights above us instead of the ground below us uh probably because um those are references you need to account for and i see the better evidence uh on the south side because because in the nature of the flat earth so how the flat earth map works the weakness is south side in relation to the um lights in the sky uh that that is where the biggest weakness i can see is so so that's where i need to point gotcha thanks so much sygephratos arabia has entered the building yet again saying both what is the color of the sun you go ahead life the sun color i don't know i'd say yellow but it's probably right i would say yellow and then just what life said uh it appears that someone was watching meal to grass tyson in the last two weeks uh because he did a video about the sun being white so great question juicy and thank you for your question this one coming in from b b says did god say there's a flat earth and what's the point of nasa and the government lying to us and saying it's a globe except for me yes good because it gives me an opportunity to explain that i don't think that nasa is lying to anybody maybe some flat earthers do but i believe that uh nasa is just people like us like everybody else and they're doing going to their jobs and they're trying to reach up into the sky kind of like the people that built the tower of babel did just like that they believed in it gotcha and with that let me just double check do i get this uh yeah so that is it for the questions folks want to say thanks so much for hanging out with us it's been an epic one and we got another question that just came in question the answer says no joe that's not what i mean you can look on his old facebook videos he's a liar fact you know what i'm talking about joe and so does god i don't who asked the question i don't know what he's talking about i think they were the person that said that you had claimed that if people don't believe that the international space station is holding angels then they will not be saved okay they don't understand what i do say because i i the only thing that i'm saying is that the things that i'm reading in the bible like uh out of the book of revelation the whole world was deceived not part of the world or not most of the world not everybody but some elite was deceived it was the whole world so gotcha and so we wanted to we do want to say thanks everybody another one obscure references thanks for your question just came in said after world how do you tell biblical metaphor from symbology or i'm sorry sim symbolism um i do it just by reading uh like an example is the book of revelation um that's the testimony of jesus christ because it says in the first few verses that it is for the serves of god to show them what must come to pass as a vision of the future delivered to john in the alipat most for him to write down for people that live in the future and it said john bear record of the word of god and the testimony of jesus christ so that's what that book is we have to read it that way it's a testimony that john wrote down of what he saw gotcha and we do want to say thanks so much to our guests it's been a true it's been a truly good time yes i see brought my buddies up with me that's right and and nathan that's very and i look too comfortable we yeah we i know that nathan i can't tell allegedly okay let me show it now the audience can see it a little bit better let me just make okay screen a little bit bigger for him and i might get fight the flatters craig in there too if i have time we'll see yeah you might have to do that and as i had mentioned he will be back next week he will be debating alex stein and so that should be oh there's craig there i'm i'm putting in front of nathan there there we go me and craig and dan are are taking a rocket ship up in the air to see if we can see if it's flat or a globe that it's uh well it's quite the trip i appreciate you still fitting us into your schedule like kori s says if i print a bible on a ball we'll after world stop believing in the bible nope gotcha i won't and with that we are excited though folks as what we are going to have is next week i haven't i'm like i'm like why have i not made the thumbnail for this that's insane folks this is going to be a huge debate it is going to be fight the flat earth who you are seeing oh you were seeing oh i just got rid of him sorry about that that's okay he is going to clean up my act he'll be on next saturday first time in a long time it's been maybe like four or five months and so that should be a fun one that will be against alex stein the bad boy of the conspiracy world you you might say the kind of twin brother bad boy with nathan thompson uh there's a lot of bad boys very very bad austin are you talking about austin no no actually this in this case uh it was is that neil okay let's see shout out to austin wisters and nathan thompson and flat earth christians facebook facebook group gotcha and so yes that is going to be an epic one though and so oh i should have but the thumbnail will be up for that soon and so we should uh we should see you then and so thanks to our guests it's been a true pleasure to have you both joe aka fdp world and life thank you guys and i want to give folks i want to give a huge credit and huge thanks to life as we usually go at apm and life was willing to stay up incredibly late because as you've probably noticed life is far far away in the this is all i mean i just want to say life thank you so much for staying up so late yeah thank you life i i appreciate it's it's for four four and a ninth no so oh wow so we are we really we're indebted to you we appreciate you and so yes we are excited and that's right well it was all tusses from sweden but if i remember right you instead said you're norway that's right okay but close to you and so tusses i guess i never knew she's in sweden i knew europe but i didn't know sweden so yes uh not too far from you there tuss and so we do appreciate you folks i'll be back with a post credit scene to talk about some of the upcoming debates and want to say thanks to our guests though we really appreciate them it's been a true pleasure guys thank you thank you for having me it's been our pleasure be right back folks that was epic you guys i am so grateful thanks so much to effed up world and life for hanging out with us tonight that was a great debate you guys ever wanted a civil flat earth debate so people were starting wondering like is that is that a contradiction is with the universe implode if there was a civil flat earth debate well now you've seen one that was a pretty civil one folk i mean like it's hard to complain if you want a calm debate where they're actually really trying to sift through the issues and not make fun of each other or put up pictures of each other wearing strange things you have to give it to these guys did a great it was great tremendous job and you guys you have a lot of epic debates coming up you're not even gonna believe me so many i will show i will show you just a few so one you see at the bottom right of your screen missing 411 so this is the idea if you're if you're not familiar with it let me explain what missing 411 means this is based on a couple of documentaries and a number of books basically a former police officer now you could say kind of unofficial investigator slash uh documentary maker writer author he has noticed a number of disappearances of people throughout national forest primarily in the united states and he noticed that they have there's this uh somewhat of a pattern to them i don't want to take like sides on this so i'm trying to explain it in the most charitable way on behalf of david i think it's pronounced polities uh basically he argues that these disappearances they have too many unusual things in common one being that oftentimes the people when they disappear they can't find them like if they they oftentimes don't find them at all even with you know search dogs and everything else but also interestingly they if they do find them oftentimes their clothing is removed and oftentimes it's near a boulder field so uh all of these kind of facts put together and there are more facts than that that he argues happen to be strongly correlated in these disappearances they he argues are best explained plausibly by the paranormal so not necessarily spiritual but maybe something that is not earthly something that is potentially whether it be like creatures or aliens or bigfoot of some type uh i think he's definitely a bigfoot believer and so that is going to be if it's going to be interesting it's going to be tomorrow and we are excited that's going to be james w you've seen him on before he's argued on behalf of alien abductions at least being probable he is going to be debating t jump so for all of those i think most of the flat earthers are not fans of t jump but he will be here tomorrow i think they call him a mainstreamer because t jump he uh oftentimes cite the mainstream but we uh we do appreciate you guys hanging out i want to get to say hi flawless d uh thanks for hanging out with us we appreciate it said goodbye guys well if you're still here thanks for coming by davie 313 says later everyone be blessed thanks for your kind words davie we appreciate it same to you and paul levy says um let's see kind words for fd up world we've got a lot of fans of fd up world we've got fans of you could say life and the globe model as well and don larson jr thanks for being with us question the answers glad to see you i think this is the first time we've ever met randy co cran thanks for being with us appreciate it friend mandelbrot sat thanks for hanging out with us appreciate it the dark cloud and sea i feel like i'll use a lot of new faces tonight hope you feel i hope you feel welcome friend thanks for being here club aka kaleb thanks for being here man good to see you again tuss beatbox says great debate james loved it thanks for your positivity and all street cred to the debaters we love those guys and what is here thanks what for stopping by paul levy good to see you says shalom from under the dome brothers and sisters and nicolas kato strode says it was super civil thanks so much nicolas i hope you liked it estaban ill baka thank you for hanging out with us i hope i pronounced it right let me know if i didn't and joe mama is back as well as parody shrimp glad you're here flat earth viking is here says it's 2021 and globes are still crediting bob to be the only one to prove sky rotation big daddy sheep new zealand it's been a while since i missed the dumpster fires don't worry friend i think if you were looking for a dumpster fire next saturday it may be too hot to handle you guys it it's going to be an epic one and so that's going to be fight the flat earth against alex stein and x forbidden one gaming says love you james thanks friend that means a lot we appreciate that that means a lot and jay says didn't know larry the cable guy was a fluff it's not what we say okay next up oh says flatter there's denied pressure oh well let's see i don't want to take sides um after world good to see you there buddy says look much love everyone and let's see hope hope thanks for hanging out with us says look up microwave tech and much more got love for all y'all thanks so much hope hope that means a lot and hosey jg says shout me out stoke you here hosey jg jg it's always fun appreciate it nice shades or i should say not shades but nice sweet spectacles in your picture po poe glad you're here as well as colin lorenz long time viewer good to see a colon and cyker one one one thanks for hanging out with us buddy appreciate that let's see we got general e shady says what refer to all science in caps but big daddy she says did you happen to make a killing on gamestop shares too no i didn't that's funny good for the people who did i'm happy for them i i got to be honest i i hope that all turns out i don't know if it's gonna turn out as pretty as you might expect the only reason is that i i think that there are going to be some financial casualties among some of the people who jumped in on the game share thing um if the stock plummets some of the people who bought at the upper prices like i i just hope that they're okay but i mean they i'm sure they thought it out so it'll probably be fine but brian steven says i tried to be alpha and failed any advice thank you brian steven's for your authenticity man you know i think the real trick is you'd have to ask gman nobody is more alpha than gman cyker one one one says thanks james sir great stuff thanks buddy appreciate that and yeah oh other debates coming up you guys i forgot you got many believe me here let me pull some of these up so as i had mentioned now oh this is an interesting one brand new topic we've never had this topic it's going to be pastor dug wilson who was you could say good the dark cloud nc says i bought 25 dollars in game stop and i'm up 630 good for you buddy well i'm glad i i hope it works out and it sounds like so far it certainly is so good for you i'm always like i try to be happy for people and that is for anybody and so in other words like we are so excited for your friend and this debate on the bottom right of your screen basically pastor dug wilson who was the co-star with christopher hitchens in the epic documentary collision so he and christopher hitchens had traveled all over the place doing debates on tour and so he pictured at the basically right next to me that's not it right here there you're seeing him right there he is going to be on debating against professor ben on whether or not atheism is immoral so that should be juicy you guys that's going to be next month that's going to be a big one i'm excited for it as both of those guys we are honored to have them on uh influential people in the world and let me show you another one this wednesday a triple threat debate with first time on the show david fits gerald who you're seeing pictured right here yep right next to me he is a jesus mythicist he does not think that jesus existed and he will be debating a christian namely cj cox and a buddhist who you're seeing in the picture there brenton big brain brenton as some of us like to call him that would be a triple threat match and that's going to be epic so i highly encourage you check that out you guys it's going to be great and so with that i want to let you know about another one they just keep coming you guys it's nuts if you were hoping to see the kent hoven debate last week it was not on friday i can't remember i think it was wednesday right i can't even remember what was it last night because i i know did we do we didn't do a stream last night did we what was it was that supposed to be the hoven one that couldn't have been what day is it is it saturday it is saturday did we not i can't remember what did we do last night did we not do a debate it must have been that we were planning on kent hoven but then it didn't happen i honestly can't remember what were we going to do yesterday um oh no missing 411 was going to be yesterday that one got rescheduled to tomorrow it's going to be epic that's why i'm all confused the hoven one that one was scheduled for i think it was tuesday or wednesday it didn't happen just some miscommunication frankly we we appreciate hoven he's helped us a lot in terms of getting the channel like growing but he did forget so like he owned it though he owned it you have to give him credit and you have to say and i've forgotten before one time my old buddy john singleton this is like if you if you remember john singleton you've been around here since like our start uh john used to basically co-mod with me uh loved the guy great guy he's still alive but he's just not on the show anymore and he just left he was never upset there was no bad blood but long story short one time john said james are you you having a debate i was like what are you talking about i just got home and he's like there are people waiting they think there's a debate right now and i was like oh and i i just forgot to take the event page down very embarrassing but you guys kent hoven owned it and i appreciate that he did so you have to give him credit because he he sent me a he sent a voicemail he called me and he said he's like hey you know i at first i didn't know what you guys were talking about when you said i was supposed to be at a debate but i really screwed this one up and so i just i'm like i really appreciate that because you know like i said kent actually has done a lot to help the channel get started and so he's never asked anything he's never asked for a dime from us i have some speakers like once in a while we have speakers that will pay you know 250 bucks milo enopolis that was 500 bucks to get milo enopolis so i just appreciate that kent hoven has never asked for anything and so uh what is truth said hello modern day debate how did the debate go it was great i thought it was a lot of fun it was pleasant the both the guys were gentlemen in class acts they were really respectful and so if you wanted a calm peaceful flat earth debate this one was it folks so you you should watch it if you didn't get to see it germia gallagos thanks for being with us buddy appreciate you coming by robert page good to see you as usual and let's see we've also got benton g good to see you appreciate you coming by mine ben 256 thanks for coming by buddy and mccalion thanks for coming by appreciate you kory s glad you're here with us thanks for your questions earlier methaeus vesturgard thanks for coming by i feel like a lot of these names i i'm like have i not it's like i must have seen you before but same thing with blue thanks for coming by is it maybe a new face we appreciate you if it's the first time live but yeah let's see brian stevens is right shocked milo is 500 yeah if milo if it would have been in 2016 when milo was at his peak in terms of popularity we we've never gotten a response back he never would have come on maybe for like if we paid him like five or ten thousand dollars he might have but but yes it's true that milo you know he actually won't even respond to me now but to be honest i didn't do a great job when we hosted them i spelled his name wrong on screen and that was really embarrassing so i i feel bad about that um but yes rob hd ez thanks for being with us buddy and let's see blue says i'm a physicist and we absolutely have no idea what gravity is well thanks for being here blue always good to have a physicist physicist and cruise said can't wait to watch thanks buddy appreciate that and oh jadeen rn says i finally made it live good morning oh well thank you jadeen for being with us and it just says it says gb does that mean you're in great britain methaas vesturgard said thank you bro moderator thank you methaas for hanging out with us we appreciate it but yes we are excited about the future folks these are just some of the debates you guys so the hoven debate that'll be epic as we we haven't had them on in a long time and let me show you some of the other ones these i haven't made thumbnails yet so they're not up on the channel i'd already mentioned the one you know fight the flat earth and alex stein that one i told you about but let me tell you about some other ones that i have not made the thumbnail yet for but it will be up we will have on friday february 5th an in-person debate i can't between my classes i can't get out of my teaching to make it down to this debate so i've got to teach in like the late morning and there's just no flights i could catch to make it to this one in person however we will have this live streamed from that location in georgia so not far from atlanta it's going to be t jump and samuel nasan debating so hope you guys enjoy that but yeah i'll definitely you know i'll be here watching live with you even though um i gotta think about how could i do that is there a way that we could get it so that i don't know i'll find out how that works because i'd still love to be able to introduce it but i can't we're not going to be there so i can't do that but we're trying to set up another debate with vegan gains and a new person who happens to be a professor i can't tell his name we keep it on the down low for some people they asked to be you know uh anonymous a person named camille uh converse is setting up a debate with someone named camille k a m i l i guess they're a discord debater um so that should be a good one that is uh i i don't remember the topic i know it's on religion though and then tag team debate on socialism versus capitalism that'll be cider and cider and steven or no cider a k a steven formerly known as religion is bs and leo versus smoky and cj and then i'm trying to set this up no promises i don't even actually i want to like be careful about it because i don't want to say it when it's not for sure and we but yeah we do have we're trying to set up one with apostate prophet though and we're looking for a muslim who is willing to debate and basically defend islam in a debate on the title would be whether or not islam or atheism is more dangerous that should be epic but jadeen are oh no sorry jadeen so said my name's jadeen like janine but yes janeen so jadeen jadeen let me know if i'm saying it right jadeen we are so happy to have you here and she had said i'm in yorkshire england well worth real to have you i'm trying to remember i i don't think i've been in yorkshire let's see shire because i unless let's see let me just see here let me check it out on maps northern england no i haven't i'm sorry that i didn't get to see it um i had only gotten to see london and then uh just slightly outside of london when i i loved england though i'm very serious about that the people were really friendly super rich history super interesting to learn about and also it was awesome seeing ever since i was a kid you guys i had wanted to see london getting to see so i mean it was a total blast i loved it like if i remember the london eye um and it was like i was sleep deprived when i made the trip and it's so it's like the memories are a little fragmented at the moment because i'm also tired now but i loved it and let's see but yeah we do appreciate you guys hanging out and just like janeen it's judeen so judeen yes got it now let me know if i didn't and uh but yeah we are a stripper liquor good to see you judeen thanks 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encouraging because if there's ever a glitch too or something if something goes wrong and we're not showing on a podcast app it helps us if you guys let us know that we're not on there or that we're not showing on there so we can fix it as soon as possible so kory s thanks for letting me know that i'm stoked to hear that i know pod beam is like kind of one of the biggest out there especially in terms of distributing and then ocd tracy says give yourself some credit james thanks so much i appreciate that i'm just a bro just a guy sending emails you know it's like keeping it real question the answer said you have a super premium quality show people are entertained and can interact always a good thing i see the show growing tom's i don't know who this tom is but i like the sound of him so thank you for that friend and ocd tracy says everyone have a great night thanks james timo says thank you so much james awesome to be here thank you timo man you were like one of the biggest supporters you and lili aja and tusk beatbox and many others i just have to say i appreciate you guys so much seriously that really does mean a lot when you guys are kind of like plugging us in the chat and and reminding people to show support because it's like i totally understand like a lot of times people are like they're they're totally engaged with the show and and they're like oh i forgot to hit like and so thank you for hitting like you guys that does help out and thanks so much for those of you reminding people to hit like and stuff like that so that means a lot but yeah i'm pumped you guys thanks tusk beatbox who says it's all love james thank you tusk appreciate that by the way what do you guys think about this idea one last thing i know i say goodbye eight times but i just appreciate you guys it's fun to hang out just to actually like one on one spend time with you thank you say everything in terms of how much i appreciate you what are your thoughts on this youtube has a poll so i'm kind of like should we have a poll on whether or not should we have a poll on who is more persuasive in our community tab on youtube because i didn't even realize we had that we can do that and so i'm like hey that'd be a piece of cake to put that out you guys think that's a good idea i'm only saying like who would be most persuasive because we don't want to you know if people just vote according to what they already believe in it's like it's not very fun but if people are voting on like hey i gotta give it to this person even if they you know theoretically if they said even though i don't agree with them i gotta you know i gotta hand it to them they're more persuasive or i'm like i'm a little bit worried like i don't want to debate or well i mean hey um if a debater is willing if they have the comment if they ever look at the comment section i'm sure they've got thick skin because um so yeah i'm definitely going to put a poll up and you know it's like the comments are sometimes brutal so i think we're gonna give it a shot um ferron salas thanks so much for your super chat friend thank you appreciate your super sticker that says keep it up thanks friend that's a great analogy i love it is that my goal is to keep modern day debate going the rest of my life like i'm i'm very serious like i don't see myself getting sick of it i love it and i'm excited about the future trying new topics new gas doing big new things especially in person this summer that's our goal lord willing we can't guarantee it but that's our goal and so that's a good way to see it is like this is like it's all about like working out and i know that i'm thinking you but you're like oh james you're thinking too much into the super sticker but i'm serious so much of life it's like stick with it just like if you stick with working out the advantages come but you have to stick with it it's not going to be that fast and so i appreciate that that's a great reminder i'm even going to do like a screenshot of that just to remind myself because i seriously just appreciate it so much and i couldn't agree more so thank you for saying that because it's so true if we keep at this channel i'm very serious i believe we are going to do big things i believe that the future of modern day debate is going to be gigantic folks we're going to learn new ways of doing things we're going to put on bigger and batter shows that capture the attention of the internet and people are going to say hey i like that this is fair people get a shot to make their case on a level playing field and so we believe in that vision and that is the way it's going to be and i think as well that other channels will be influenced by it because they'll say hey we're going to do that too we're going to say we're seeing what modern day debate is doing and people are loving it and so we're going to do ours more fairly as well and i don't claim to be perfectly fair we're working on it we're not perfect but we're striving for it to do this create this platform that people say hey i like that that's fair and people are treated well and i'm excited too joe mama thanks so much appreciate your super chat said thank you for another great debate show joe mama thanks so much for your support that seriously means a lot i am like seriously i'm like touched like thank you that is like super encouraging that support means a lot so yeah we are pumped you guys as yes we are pumped about the future to you guys it's going to be big we are determined and i'm i'm telling you guys we are determined to be a monster platform you might think this is nuts i'm serious that in 10 to 15 years my goal is to have modern day debate be something like the joe rogan podcast it took joe rogan 10 years to get where he was we're currently on year three it's true you might be thinking like oh it's just too big of a goal to get to where joe rogan is you know by year 15 let's say because that's another 12 years like can you really get there by 12 years like i i seriously believe we can we're going to do especially the kickstarter plan i think that helps a lot if we do kickstarter events and we have huge name people on i think that's the trick is joe rogan has had huge desirable people that are fun to listen to we're going to keep doing bigger batter debates and so we are excited about the future and so believe me folks i really do i'm very serious about this i'm determined i'm a competitor i'm very big on like commitment and hard work and so i am very optimistic about the future being very bright and i appreciate you guys being so supportive thanks communist propagandist for your support says the pull idea is great just my two cents or well two dollars thanks so much communist propagandist i appreciate that feedback and for your super chat appreciate it mark read thanks for your positivity says i believe james thank you mark read seriously i'm telling you people underestimate what they can do in 10 years for real 10 years from now it really could be the case that we're something like the joe rogan experience like i'm excited about it and so michael lyon says i'm so happy and grateful that you give so many an opportunity to speak their views michael lyon thanks so much for your kind words that seriously means a lot that appreciation seriously is encouraging so thank you friend and after world says thank you again james thank you after world for being on with us tonight it was a blast so we're excited about the future though and so pharen salas says there there is a debate idea debate of hosts james versus joe i would love debating joe it would be epic and so yeah i uh i am excited about the future though you guys it is actually i'm i'm absolutely pumped it's going to be epic so believe me folks don't bet against us i'm serious it's going to be epic seriously communist propagandists 10 years ago i was a pimply high schooler you can do it james thank you so much communist propagandist for your support i appreciate that and so we are pumped you guys as yeah absolutely i could go on and on about how i i'm serious i believe in this i believe in the vision it's going to grow it's going to capture people's hearts they're gonna say hey i buy into that everybody gets their fair shot on equal playing field and so we're gonna do it folks i'm excited about it and so thank you guys we hope you have a great rest of your night keep sifting out the reasonable from the unreasonable i'll see you tomorrow night as i'll be here to personally moderate our debate on missing 411 thanks everybody and by the way yeah i'm gonna link in fact tomorrow's debate in the live chat before i go and that way if you haven't looked at it well once this stream closes you can check it out as i think it's going to be epic and it's going to be cool as we're going to have james w and t jump so two you could say seasoned veterans in the debate world they've debated plenty on here in fact link to tomorrow's debate so i just linked that in the chat and so thanks everybody appreciate you guys this huge support it's going to be huge guys we're excited about the future so thanks so much for all of your support we're going to do it i'm excited for it i hope you have a great rest of your night