Twitch chat. What's up YouTube viewership? What's up, man? This is the needed podcast This is episode eight as the eighth episode. I've done and honestly I really appreciate all the support you guys giving me all the steam of this show has picked up and how it's been rolling in the Community, I appreciate all you guys checking it out Whether you hit the like button on YouTube whether you comment below on some things you want me to talk about Or if you're in a twitch chat now you guys are the reason this keeps going and I really appreciate it We don't have a club series to really talk about last week We had my man figure on and we talked about the Eagles club series and some of the things that people did right and did wrong in that Tournament, but this week it's been a quiet week in the mcs really no club championships. I think The Minnesota Vikings are still having a club series. I did see man league ops post about that I think it's going to be December 15th Something like that could be wrong about the dates, but there's a lot of things that are going on You know, we're kind of right in the mix of everything and this is something that we talk about When we're talking about the format so much and that we're just so mixed Up with different modes that we're playing all the time like, you know When do we play solid cat? When do we play regs? When do we play draft champions? And they're kind of all different and that's ultimately a challenge that we're faced with But as pro man players that people are that are trying to attempt to win these belts and win these tournaments they should be able to Handle that be able to mix between a bunch of different modes But I know personally from experience when you go from draft champions When you have the 80 overall quarterback and the 80 speed linebacker and then boom all of a sudden now you're playing regs Where you have the deon jones user or you have tyree kill running down the field It's a little bit different And then you go to salicap where you have the yugioh cards Where i'm putting power gems on my defensive linemen to get them to play better And i'm uh, you know, and there's route chemistries to make my receivers run routes that they can't run on regs That is when it becomes a different problem But like I said, you got to get over that obstacle. You have to be able to um play every different mode I wish they were spread out like boom these two months you play regs Boom the next two months you play mutt boom the next two months you play draft champions so on and so forth But I mean we'll take what we can get and gotta get used to playing all the modes And probably our favorite mode since it's been instituted into the game has been salicap I think it's really something that I believe every man players should love even the hardcore mutt people that Spends so much time to get their mutt team better I think I think there's really a spot for salicap and everybody because Ultimately, that's where the fun is juggling where you want your weaknesses where you want your um Your strengths where you want to spend your money on what position is more important to you than it is to the next person And that's what we love about salicap and I think it is a place for everybody And salicap is what the mudhead league is ran on and the mudhead league is something that that really is becoming a big Stapled his community and becoming a big deal for all of us And we're in the fourth week of the mudhead league right now, which is a 12 game series 16 of the best man players in the world I was in this season I don't really want to talk about my experiences in this season because I did throw away a lot of games that I should have won and I really did not come up big clutch and a lot of moments in the games So right now currently i'm sitting here with a three and eight records We look at this how the mudhead league has turned out through three weeks. If you put this on the screen This is this is pretty much uh, what the standings are how everything's going And we're going to talk about what goes on throughout the uh, the next couple weeks or this week is pretty much What's going to determine who's going to make the playoffs and this is a $10,000 league So it's not for anything small And these are some of the best man players in the world. You see t davis who was the cardinals club series champion Joe rice who is the houston texans club series champion? Obviously serious mo who's a bell holder Drenny's bell holder beast mo max a bell holder A lot of great players in here And this is through three weeks. Some people have played there are week four games. I played two of my week four games You see i'm i'm down here. I kind of want to keep it off the screen But i am three and eight Did do away a lot if i look back on the games i played I really feel like i should be sitting around, you know Six and five or seven and four or something like that. I really do away a lot of games and uh I kind of kind of goes with with not playing as much I was not in the club's championship Not getting all those reps not really locking in on salary cab like some of these other guys really work And they're playing better than me. Honestly, I do away a lot of games. So i'm out of the playoffs. Boom But I did play joke this week and I did play serious mode this week And I did want to be in both of them So I definitely heard mo because he's definitely in the running right now between Honestly, pretty much everybody over here in division d is kind of still alive chaos even with five losses It's still kind of alive as you see down here with five losses Canes is definitely alive five and four So he'd have to Probably for him to make any pride to win his next three games finished with eight and four record His point differential isn't great And you see journey's looking strong right now with a six and three record tied with mo a little bit better point differential It's a beast more mac and joe rice pretty much They just can't fall apart in the last couple weeks. I mean beast mode has three games to play Joe rice looks like I mean he's got two games to play It's 12 game season, you know And then only two of these people make the playoffs in one wild card So the division winners in one wild card So if you want a pencil and joe rice and maybe beast mode if you finish it strong Those two guys are in And uh, you see between journey canes mo and chaos still has an outside chance So between these four guys, they'll definitely be fighting for one of the wild card spots Pay attention to a lot of the games coming up this week I want to Talk about some of the notable games coming up this week because I want to make sure you guys tune into them I don't know if you guys have been all been paying attention to the mud head league Obviously some of you watch when I play and you know when mo or or some of these bigger named journey plays or something like that But there's really a lot of games this week that are going to mean a lot as we go up here to the top This one's even more intriguing Because obviously see master gamer and my man cold. They're making me feel better about my record And strafing something pretty dark, although he's not all the way out of it record-wise, but negative 88 points is bad So pretty much you have Both of these divisions are up for grabs It's not like down below both of these divisions are for grab you see chicoby versus drag Both of them have nine games played. They both have three games this week to determine who's going to win this division Obviously the point difference was damn. They're the same So I believe they actually have a matchup that's going to go down this week That's going to be one of the bigger games of the week chicoby versus drag to see who wins that Obviously, I played a drag a lot. I have not played chicoby this year Uh, chicoby was always good But I mean if it comes down to a winner getting in situation with chic faulty I don't know if I like him at some point chicoby has to overcome his always folding into big moments At some point he has to win an important game and that's what we'll always be waiting for So we'll definitely be able to tune in regardless or not A chicoby big game is always worth the view no matter where you're at who he's playing if it's a big game It's going to be entertaining So let's see when that game actually is Boom boom boom. All right. These games got completed We got t davis Play chicoby. That's Wednesday 1 a.m. Jeez. So that's that's tonight But who we have tonight and we have Wednesday chicoby versus drag. That's it at wednesday 6 p.m. Tomorrow night 6 p.m This is probably the biggest game of their season mudhead between chicoby and drag We'll always be entertaining to see chicoby play in a big game So that's going to be probably the biggest game coming up on the schedule over here is a three-man race Pretty much all decent point of differentials Pavan just is one a half game back right now. He has two games to play So hopefully he go ahead and finish eight and four T davis and blocky and blocky t davis pavan. This is just this is all just one big cluster right here And we'll see who which one of these games Let's view all upcoming games Now at this point some people can play spoiler. This is a good game tonight chaos and moe Chaos still has the opportunity to win the game. No particular make the playoffs. You'd have to win out We'll see what moe. I know moe is thinking he needs to win His games by a lot. So this I'll definitely be tuning in for this tonight That's tonight if you're in the twitch chat now if you're in youtube, please I mean, hopefully you see this before but this game is going to be big time moe versus chaos Definitely going to be a big game tonight also tonight master gamer versus chicoby master gamer is one in eight chicoby needs this one You cannot lose a game to somebody that's one in eight that's playing for nothing So chicoby needs to win that game then at night tonight. We have moe versus westley Once again moe's holding on for life He's not is not impossible for him to catch joe rice because joe rice Oh, no joe rice has two games left. So it's not impossible. So that's going to be another great game tonight So you're going to have three games in a row that are worth watching tonight You know moe versus chaos master gamer and chicoby serious moe and then joe rice so a lot of moe tonight Then we have one a.m. So you're just this is just non-stop tonight folks. So we got 10 11 12 1 a.m. Boom t davis versus chicoby huge game because both of these guys are looking to get the playoffs chicoby can't drop any games because he's tied with drag T davis is right in the winning and then that's the four games for tonight That's a great docket all four games entertaining Then we go to tomorrow blocky. Once again against master gamer can't give up a game to 1 and 8 Then like I said drag versus chicoby wednesday Wednesday master gamer strafing both kind of out of the playoffs and then we have Cole versus blocky blocking these that win Joke first case these games are just that this point of the season man when you're out of it You're just kind of playing spoiler. We're kind of all I mean, I don't say I mean we are kind of all friends You know, especially how tight the man community has gotten this year I saw it's not really not that much colluding whereas you let somebody win So you got to kind of just play out all your games all the time Like if I'm going to play and beat mode the other night I got to play to beat all my games even though I'm knocked out I got to play all my games with the most integrity I can have because at the end of the day All these guys are you're my competitors, but I'm not going to One up another person. I mean none of these guys are my super close lab partners or anything. So just gotta keep playing And this is what over here drag got to win this game, but Saturday Afternoon man, Pavan versus drag. This is a huge game both good records both for cooking and getting to play All's blocky tea. David's right after that. So Saturday. We got some great games Sunday journey Keynes 4 p.m Pavante Davis Sunday. So all these games man, make sure you guys check out this schedule along This is on mud head. Obviously, we all go to mud head to go over here Mudhead season seven.  So That's definitely something you guys want to tune into shot the mud head for going ahead and uh really keeping this thing alive And I know rock is at my head has a lot of a lot of plans for competitive man I mean he's he's has the passion of competitive man More than anybody else that I've met, you know, and he really Is doing a lot to help man and that brings us into the friday night tournaments That actually happened last week was the first one. These are for a thousand dollars a pop every friday And it's definitely something For us to continue to look at man because every friday is going to give us something to watch and rockers took this idea I don't know if he took it from from the fortnight tournaments that used to be uh friday night all the time and uh It's definitely something that's going to help twitch It's going to help grow the game it's going to help get more eyes on competitive man It's going to help bring all the great man players together and really compete and ultimately that's what we uh That's what we love to do and that's why we love the game and the first friday tournament Uh, hollywood actually beat clef who toured the better players this year. Hollywood is one of the better players every year Even though last year he was disappointed for him. Uh, he definitely uh Definitely always one of the best players in the world So congratulations to holly for winning the first friday night tournament But now they're going to put all the sharks in the pool I mean he had a little fun with all the kitty games when they had all they wouldn't let the mudhead league players playing the tournament But hollywood had a lot of fun with all the all the little kids and stuff like that So once all the grown men are in the tournament this week We'll see how he does we'll also see how cleft does it's going to be a lot of fun this week because All the best players in the world are going to be there not just half of them So it would definitely be tuned into friday night. I'm definitely going to be playing in that tournament on friday So it's definitely something from here on out for the year It's going to be something that really Elevates competitive man both on twitch on youtube every little content all the eyes that are On the best players in the world is going to be a good thing for madden And we appreciate rockers and mudhead for drawing all these tournaments for madden people that just like the competitive side We know we use mudhead a lot for You know looking up our teams all this info on what's in the best car coming out what what trace these guys have It's really geared towards the You know the casual or just the mudhead type of player and that's that's where that website excels And it's great to have such a dedication to competitive men within that website. So it does what We continue to try to do is with branch the the casual mud guy And the competitive guy whether the casual mud guy has no desire to care about competitive man He still has to go look at this all the time. Maybe it drives him crazy. Maybe he's not interested But he still gets an eye on he still sees you know our faces pop up every time he loads up mudhead to look at his team And so hopefully that it give some type of branch between the casual guys and the competitive guys And ultimately that is what's going to propel mad into where I hope it goes someday And rockers is doing a great job of continuing to do that. So we appreciate that And something and now I want to get into something that is very passionate for me Very passionate for everybody in the man community, especially the top players that want to Make competitive man a career to make competitive man something they they want to live by and continue to do every single year Not necessarily stream Not necessarily, you know, do youtube or do things like that. They want to just compete They like the you know the avenue man where they compete against one another And try to win these belts and try to make live events and that's I believe a week ago the draft champions leaderboard open First of all, let me talk about the the draft champions to begin with I mean draft champions. I love the mode I think it's a challenge. It's something different than regular men and not necessarily super different But for me being able to pick a playbook, you know and make a little mini scheme Within that playbook for six games four games, whatever it may be I think that's so much fun personally And uh I really think a lot of people get stuck on on the playbook thing and me personally I am good at freestyling in different playbooks. I don't know if there's something you guys love, but it's definitely Something that I enjoy so I think it's a challenge and really Makes you expand yourself as a man player Now, obviously a lot of us you guys are locked into a certain playbook and you you want to use that playbook But the ability to pick one and run with it is something that really makes you better as a man player And the random players is cool. I wish The the player pool was updated. I've always said draft champions should be the first tournament one When we don't know the game that good. We don't know what playbooks are amazing We don't know what defenses are amazing You're pretty much just playing off from scratch that way You're forced to use different playbooks search the game a little bit And it's definitely a good thing for that and I always thought draft champions should be the first tournament one So the players aren't this much different Now if the if the tournaments this year, you know, I have base players with 70 speed Where bang all of a sudden now I get tirey kill who has 94 speed or 93 speed Whatever it may be he's so much different than anybody else Whereas if draft champions was the first tournament of the year, I can have my 80 speed base But now the best card I'm going to get is only 88 speed or 89 speed. It's not going to be that much difference Now it's pretty bad and I feel like Because it's the main mode now. This is the mode. We're going to be grinding the leaderboards I think it should be addressed a lot more. I think it should be updated almost weekly every new card They put in the game Just put a new Malcolm Jenkins card in the game my favorite player So I'm happy about that But I'm not going to be able to use him in draft champions until pretty much the draft champions season is over What aggravates me the most is because when there's not a tournament on draft champions I feel that they update the pool a little bit more than when there is But I don't think the pool is as egregious as it's been in the past I think the quarterback rounds should obviously be you know, this should only be 12 different quarterbacks you could pick from And if you're going to put Michael vick in the draft Give me some linebackers with a little bit more speed You know, but ultimately I think the the mode is good. I have a lot of fun playing the mode I've always been fairly successful with draft champions Never I've made two draft champions live events, but never really made a big run At one of these events mostly last year because protect the sticks. I gave up a fourth and 20 and that I'm still kicking myself about but I mean, I enjoyed the mode. I think I'm very good at it. So But the biggest thing with the leaderboards mind you this leaderboard. I think is for a couple months You know, it's not just one month. It's not just You know, three weeks. I think it's for a long time. You know, this is what I live for I love the leaderboards. I love continuously searching and playing good people Now I always wanted to be a guy that just could play my head to head and still make money and still get a good stream But to me it's just it's just too boring. You know, I can't play kids. I can't play people that aren't good I love playing good people that play the chess game of mat and that I love and that's what the leaderboards brought That's what the leaderboards always made me the best player I could be Whether it was draft champions any season man 16 I was one of the best Both in draft champions and in salary cap puts top five in both these leaderboards every leaderboard. That's ever meant something I've been top five at regardless, you know And it's something I saw it makes me better at the game playing good people always makes me better Makes you challenge yourself makes you improve your game And that is what made me a great man player was playing the leaderboards always playing the best players And you are who you play you are who you play against and that's what the leaderboards can do for all you guys You know, whether you're just an intermediate player or moderate player Whatever it may be if you start playing good people, you're going to improve your game That's why the leaderboards are so important to man Man 17 There were three leaderboards three We had the first draft champions Boom, then we had salary cap leaderboard. Boom. That's when I had that's when I made man bowl That's when I won the man bowl Then after that we came home The man challenged leaderboard So there was three full leaderboards where the top four meant something where it really was important And imperative that you continue to do well in these tournaments And that's pretty much what they have removed from man whether it be even last year Last year they had the man What the man classic had a little leaderboard was actually was a good one But now that I say that I think it was The way to structure in man classic was it was tough to have a leaderboard The top four didn't mean anything once you got into the top I think believe 28 only that you was cool And it was not worth because it was only 28. It wasn't worth playing to risk your spot So once you secured your spot in the top 28, it was you were cool There's no more need to play get into the tournament be cool Now that that was a little different because all the live events meant something to that tournament There was only so many people that were taken from online So I understand but then After that the club series is not a real leaderboard because it's so easy to qualify You know if you pick a certain team you're only qualifying with those people that picked that team So it doesn't have the same juice And the last one was the Man challenge the only tournament last year were top four meant something The only tournament where people grinded all year long and when I say people I mean the best man players in the world That is the beauty of the top four men you keep your best man players intrigued Your best man players playing and playing and playing, you know, so you're going to have kiv playing You know so many x amount of games 500 games You want to have joke playing 500 games you have ghosts playing 500 games These are guys that don't want to play and you know that aren't going to play the leaderboard like that because they don't need to anymore They're not going to be playing your game. They're not going to be seen as much playing your game As somebody that you know now that there's no top four In me myself, I mean I was always top four in every tournament, especially when it meant something I mean you locked in from from the beginning of the year try to get to that top spot Really try to keep your your foot on a pedal and always playing the game Especially for me if I'm going to stream it gives me something to continually watch And regardless obviously, you know jokes not streaming or skimbo is not streaming But if I'm going to stream or somebody on ps4 is going to scream You're eventually going to be matched up with these people and you're going to give people something to watch these players that you know People tune in to watch the big names in the game Don't have to play your game because you're not giving them any reason to play it and also what the top four did Was give the people that want to make competitive man a career It gave them an avenue to continually get back to these tournaments You know if you were good enough to win enough games and had enough time and devoted enough time to professional madden You were able to get into a top four spot. You were able to get that far in the tournament You were able to avoid all single elimination, which is the downfall from madden players You cannot rely on competitive madden if you continually have to play single elimination games And what the top four did it just allowed. Okay.  Okay. I want to play man eight hours a day I want to get good enough in madden. Now. Let me play these eight hours a day I'm good enough to win nine out of ten games. I'm going to have a great record and I'm going to be in top four I'm going to avoid single elimination I'm going to avoid the fluke of losing one game to anybody and I'm going to make a live event So now I just made myself ten thousand dollars for the year made myself extra amount back because I didn't have to play single elimination Top four allows that when I won madden bowl I did not play a single elimination game until I already earned ten thousand dollars And the first single elimination a game I played was against hollywood in orlando Because I was able to be good enough and grind enough to be top four I did not have to play single elimination That's a credit to how good I was at the game and how much I grinded the game There's no incentive to be that good at the game and to grind that much anymore without top four. It's something that's Very important for everything for the whole season Keeps everybody's attention on that particular leaderboard on that particular mode on that particular tournament that much more Not only for a weekend or so throughout the year But for three months throughout the year and that's something I don't understand How they look at all the formats in the last couple years and say this is a positive from the format That really worked well from the format. Let's continue to use that Top four is one of the best things that they have ever instituted in mcs format And they have just completely just forgot about it, you know Forget it that worked. Well, that was amazing. That was intriguing for the community But we're not going to do that anymore. So I don't know who made these decisions or why the decisions were made But the lack of a top four is detrimental to the leaderboard and something that's really Bad for somebody that wants to make competitive man in their career, but We'll see it's been probably a week and a half since the leaderboards have been out So I don't know if they're gonna make a change Hopefully they do and just give everybody a little bit more incentive to really grind the leaderboard Obviously you can see I'm passionate about the top four because it is the reason I have a belt And that's the reason why I won so much money in man, but Speaking of mcs speaking of winning belts, I mean Las Vegas is A week away two weeks away something like that and it's It's going to be a great event. I'm really excited about it What they had everybody do it's a completely free man event, which is really cool I believe the man challenge was I want to say ten dollars. I don't think it was 20 But it definitely wasn't a lot of money And it's definitely something where you went and signed up Boom, they made, you know, you sign up obviously a couple maybe a month before or so on and so forth and they have Excuse me Probably 500 slots or so on for people to join And they made you sign up before some people did miss the sign ups Didn't pay attention to it didn't take it serious because what we're used to in a man tournament is pretty much You can sign up all the way to the date and you can even come to the door and say here take my 50 dollars I want to play that's pretty much what the man community has been Forever really, you know and and for 500 people to sign up is pretty obnoxious I've never been so mad the biggest man tournaments. I've probably ever been to obviously the man's challenge, but I don't there's our 500 people with the man challenge, but in recent memory even last year I believe they were capped at like 128 the man challenges in the meaning of the year. They were pretty full I believe they filled out there, but even if it was capped at 200 I don't think they would have filled out 200, but for 500 people to show up to vegas I'm I'm really interested on how this works How many people actually show up and how many people missed an opportunity to sign up because they were a little late And all these 500 spots were taken up So it's definitely going to be something that I'm going to be tuned into. I will not be attending vegas I will not be attending the e8 tournaments and um It's going to be a fun time.  Enjoy yourself. Be safe I'm sure they want to have super security out there That was one of the reasons it wasn't just like a walk up and sign up. They really wanted to Do some background checks on every person that signed up and that's a good thing. So I can't really knock them for kind of how The registration for this tournament was especially with everything that happened They need to take every precaution available to who's want to show up at this tournament. So If you got a spot, please show up Don't waste your spot because I know there's a lot of people that you know Weren't able to sign up because all the spots were occupied So if you have it make sure you show up have a good time and play Play the win the game don't play not to lose play the win the game. That's that's some of the biggest advice I give people all the time Vegas is definitely going to be fun. I don't know what venues it's at I don't think it's at the same venue that the vegas tournaments have been in in the past But it's going to be a good time and I hope you guys enjoy it and Ultimately when we talk about the broadcast We talk about You know, what makes the broadcast great? What you know fuels What makes it intriguing not only for us madden heads that are going to be in the chat regardless Whether it's big bird or or, you know, burton urney doing the broadcast. We would still watch it But in order to really bring the intrigue another group of people that really Might not only be pulling from the man games, but be pulling from the broadcast Uh, scott coal who in my opinion is fabulous both at calling a man game He's clever smart very well spoken and does a great job calling the man game He does a great job with the mba2k league I've never watched any of his fours of motorsports or anything like that But i'm sure scott does a great job at those two. I think he's fabulous Obviously enough can't be said about how good our g is as well How much excitement he brings to the to the broadcast booth Also, how much knowledge he brings from being a player to that one a man challenge one a city So he's definitely has the experience that that is important When calling madden games man, because i've seen obviously watch a lot of events Every one of these different mcs events has different people and One thing that I don't I i'm kind of cool off the x nfl player called madden games That's not really my twist But I could see how it's appealing to you know casual fan that just likes nfl Just likes You know try to try to really bridge the gap between the nfl fan and the madden fan And that's kind of what the x player does. So I see a point for it, but they're really not good, especially if they're not good at it Greg olson when I won man bowl, he called part of me in skimbo's game and he was fabulous You know, he was very good And you know, I think you have to pick and choose who's good at that and who's not But like I said recently scott cole reached out to the man community and asked who would be the best broadcast options amongst the man players, you know A lot of people said me. I mean, I would love to do it. I think I really have a talent for I really have a knack for it I love talking about man calling a game and seeing how other people play the game and the decisions that other people make compared to the ones that I would make and um Obviously, I'm not going to be able to do that. It's not an option for EA or for me right now. So There are other options in the community that that are fabulous and you got to start with zanz and zanz really put a lot of work in In the last couple years to really, you know, do a lot for man And he really plays a lot. I've noticed zanz from the beginning of the year has been streaming a lot So he plays the game a lot Understands what's going on more than most people And he's also very well spoken. I think that's one of the most important things If not the most important thing being able to articulate your words and really communicate with the audience and like I said zanz also has the The knowledge because he played the game so much and he's had a lot of experience in the past So he's definitely someone that would probably be at the top of the list for some of these mcs events And then the next step for me, obviously I got to go with a big grocery and user who did all the millennial events Back on one of the man's challenge or the challenger events. I want to say they did one in 18 But they definitely did man 17 in the year between grocery And and user they're just a good combination grocery very smart like I said very articulate and then you go with user who's got the supercountry accent And it's just a fool is a real funny guy and he also plays mad And he knows what he's doing. So those two guys are very good along with zan And like I tweeted earlier. I love Cole shift got Cole. I think he's he's very funny Does a great job every time he's asked to broadcast. So those are probably the four options for me personally between zan grocery and uh user Also, my man shift got Cole. He's done a great job every time he's been asked to commentate anything like that very funny guy. So Hopefully ea does incorporate somebody's older players Definitely, uh, really mix them in the group with the commentary. But although like I said, I do believe Scott Cole and rg are fabulous I do wish somehow ea would put them in the game to come to commentate the actual game I think it'll be really cool opportunity for those guys. I think they would do fabulous with that They've also called some of the best man games of my career and definitely some of the best man games in the history of Madden and they do a great job. So if we can't get those guys commentating every single game Definitely those four guys I mentioned would be fabulous Those are the people I choose From our community to broadcast some games because they all have a little bit of experience And all have been very successful with it from here on out, man But we'll see what they choose to do. Like I said, I'm not in their plans But I appreciate everybody that really, you know said I would do a good job It's something I enjoy and I have done a lot, you know, both with mudhead and with, you know, nursery here talking about mad It's definitely my calling card, but We'll see what they choose to do Hopefully they're mixing a couple of these guys here and there and we can uh See some new voices if Scott Cole and RG can't do every single game because as far as I'm concerned I'd be fine with them doing every single game because they are fabulous, man Oh, and I definitely gotta give a shout out to my man bum Who was fabulous at the eagles club series champion championship, which was about a week and a half ago He would also be another one. He'd probably be my fifth option. They could get him out there Because the one thing bum has that not everybody else has is the streamer experience No, the ability to continuously keep talking about the mad game Also interact with the chat and keep that same energy for the entire time I think there's a lot of You know good that bum has from being a streamer And it really incorporates when he commentates, man So he's definitely someone else that needs to be out there If they have the opportunity man also shout out to my man rico because he he flew me in some eagles tickets I was able to go to the eagles game this weekend And thanks to rico who is unmatched in the broadcast capacity I think he hopefully he's definitely always in the mix for the for the mad events this year So we'll see what they have in store, man. It should be fun and that's coming up california I think is the last week of january. I'm not sure the dates And that's going to be a good time to it. So we'll see what they do but That's pretty much all I want to get to man. The mudhead is going to be a lot of games starting tonight 10 p.m So that's right now looking about three and a half hours from here. I'm going to be tuning into those eating some popcorn Having a good time watching those games All week doing the games like I said check out mudhead.com Hit them hit the season tab over there check out the standings Check out what games need to be played You can see the upcoming games when they're going to be played And it's going to be something you guys can tune into and really you know see who comes out on top And I told you a chicoby winning get-in game as any big chicoby game where he has to win is pure entertainment So make sure you guys check that out Because it's going to be worth every penny or any free penny It's not doesn't cost you enough to watch these games But it'll be worth all your time to check out chicoby because it's definitely going to be a barn burner regardless I said I wish top four is back. It's not So we'll see if they can change that somehow vegas going to be a good time and be safe everybody going out there And I told you guys my broadcast options comment below who you think would be a good broadcaster for these mentors going on here on out Not much went on this week But it's definitely a lot of stuff to talk about at the same time This was the needed podcast episode eight. I appreciate you guys


AutoLite and its 98,000 dealers bring you Mr. Edmund O'Brien in tonight's presentation of... Suspense. Tonight, AutoLite presents a true story, as we dramatize the diary of a man whose unfortunate task it was to set down a report on the death of his friends, ordeal in Donner Pass. Our star, Mr. Edmund O'Brien. Tomorrow's the day. Yes, Senator. The day when a lot of people will step on the starter and find that their batteries are as dry as a campaign speech because they forgot to keep them properly filled with water. I mean election day, Harlow. Right, right. The day when thousands of wise drivers will elect to get to AutoLite Stay Full, the battery that needs water only three times a year in normal car use. I'll vote for that. And that AutoLite Stay Full is a long time in office. 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If in the months that followed after we started to take the hasting shortcut to California, if in those months from November of 1846 to March of 1847, I was selfish, there were men guilty of worse. I'd done what I was able. I'd done what was the most any man could. If we had have read the signs right, it wouldn't have happened maybe. When Keysburg left the old man, Mr. Hardcoup behind to die. When Snyder attacked Mr. Reed and Reed killed him and got banished from the caravan, sent out alone without wife and child. If we saw the signs of losing all those cattle and trucky meadows, and the Indians sneaking up and killing half the rest, we would have seen the hand of nature working against us. And the crazy task of clearing a road through the Sierra Mountain wilderness by hand. 30 miles of road. We should have seen the signs. But the Donut Party only saw Missouri where they came from and California where they was going. We didn't see in between. Well, what's the code? What's the matter? Something go wrong again? Mr. Eddy is for trying to get over the pass again. I say it's crazy. Temperature must be near to freezing. And it gets worse near the summit up near the pass. Well, I've got my wife and children to think about, Mr. Donner. And so do I, Mr. Grave. And think about them. Don't stop here. You'll save their lives if you don't stop. It's colder and colder, Mr. Eddy. I tell you, get out of these mountains now. We'd have to leave most of our goods behind. And leave your goods. Leave our goods, as well as leave our money. And your money. You talk madness, Mr. Eddy. What would we start our lives with in California? Don't be fooled. Mr. Eddy, you'll make trouble for yourself. Look at the health of our party. The exhaustion, Mr. Eddy. Look at it. Now look at dead bodies if you don't move on. I know. I know that. But it's always been what could happen. Only some of my children, they complain. They need rest in a regular camp. Mine, too. And my wife. The last bluff we lowered our wagons over, we didn't have the energy to keep them right. Someone crashing down supplies an oil. The men just don't have the heart for it. You'll die. There's no going back to the Salt Lake. Some died there already. Try. At least try going over the pass again. Hastings route was apacalized. We'll take another route. Look up, Mr. Eddy. Look up to the face of the summit. Snow. Solid snow. No marks or signs. It's snowing again. And if we stay, it'll swallow us up. And look at the faces. Human bodies can only work so much, Mr. Graves. And no more. Only so much. It calls for a vote. No, not yet. Why a vote? No more argument. It wastes time. No, you gotta listen. We gotta talk some more. You gotta understand.  Stop it. Stop it.  Call the vote, Mr. Breen. Listen. The question is, do we go on for another try over the pass or stay? There's no going back. Mr. Donner? To stay. Mr. Graves? To stay. Mrs. Reed, with your husband gone, you have a man's vote. To stay, I suppose. I don't know. I cast no vote, Mr. Breen. Mr. Murphy? Mr. Kiesberg? We built three houses. One was already standing. The Graves family next to the Reeds. Our family in Kiesberg's next door. The Eddy and Murphy families in the joining cabins. And five miles down, the Donners. No windows and one door to each cabin. And like sentinels from October 31st, half our slaughtered oxen dressed in ready, split in half, stood frozen next to our cabins. On Friday, November 20th, 1846, I began my journal. We now had killed most part of our cattle, having to stay here until next spring and live on poor beef without bread or salt. It snowed during the space of eight days with little interruption. The remainder of time up to this day was clear and pleasant. Freezing at night, the snow had nearly gone from the valleys. My wife and my children asleep. They could not have attempted the crossing with Mr. Eddy, who started out with 22. My wife thought it better to wait. What? What is it? It's Mr. Eddy taking a group for another try. Oh, I wonder. It's no time for doubt, but doubt can mean terrible things. Do you think they'll make it? I have no facts to go by. Mr. Eddy's a courageous and daring man. Will they make it? It's only a feeling and it's the only guide we have. Will they make it? I say no. On November 26th, I slaughtered my last team of oxen. After this beef was gone, maybe Mrs. Eddy would sell me some of hers. There were some mules. There were dogs. And we waited. Monday, December 1st, snowing fast. Wind west. Snow about four or five feet deep. No drifts. Looks as likely to continue as when it commenced. No living thing without wings can get about. Tuesday, December 2nd, still snowing. Wind west. Snow now about five and a half to six feet deep. Difficult to get wood. No going from the house. Completely closed in. Eight days of storm and not seeing or hearing a word of life or death. Snowbound so that even the people in the next cabin were like a thousand miles away.  And after the sixth day, our ration was barely enough to keep a baby alive. And then the storm stopped. We got to have meat. I'll go out. Slaughter the mules. Aye, the mules. Help me with these boxes. Door is jammed. Step aside now. When I pull back the last hide, snow will fall through. What are you talking about? We didn't tie the stock. They ran off the stock. Oh no, no. They couldn't have gone far, not in the storm. They got to be here. Look for the cracks. The cracks have begun. Covered up. We should have tied them up. Yeah, we should have tied them up. I can't dig anymore. Mr. Green, Mr. Graves, Bayless Williams is dead. Will someone help take him from our cabin? Graves, will you help? I cannot. I've got to save my strength. I cannot. Come, Mrs. Green. We'll give Bayless Williams the final rest, poor man. Mr. Green, have you any ox meat for my children? There's almost none. A little. Just a little for my children. We have children too, Mrs. Reed. Sorry. It's starting to snow again. I'm sorry. And getting colder. Maybe we should call him fortunate, Mr. Williams. The night is bringing you Mr. Edmund O'Brien in Ordeal in Donner Pass. Tonight's presentation in Radio's Outstanding Theatre of Thrill's Suspense. Say, Harlow, who do you think will win tomorrow? Why, the man with the auto-light-stay-full battery, Senator. You just can't lose with that rare, rugged and reliable battery that states right on the case. Needs water only three times a year in normal car use. But both candidates have an auto-light-stay-full, Harlow. Then they have long-term power insurance, Senator. Fiberglass retaining mats protect every positive plate to reduce shedding and flaking. And give that auto-light-stay-full longer life, as proved by tests conducted according to accepted life-cycle standards. Yes, but who are you voting for, Harlow? Why, for my auto-light-battery dealer, he's the expert on all makes of batteries. And if a replacement is needed, he'll recommend an auto-light-stay-full. The battery that needs water only three times a year in normal car use. To quickly locate him, phone Western Union by number and ask for Operator 25. That's right. Call me Western Union Operator 25. And remember, from bumper to tail-light, you're always right with auto-light. And now, auto-light brings back to our Hollywood soundstage Mr. Edmund O'Brien in Elliot Lewis' production of Ordeal in Donner Pass, a true report well-calculated to keep you in suspense. Maybe you said it was cruel of me to turn aside Mrs. Reed, but I had eight mouths to feed. She only had five. Figuring life and death and numbers. What else could we do? December 31st, 1846, last of the year. With God's help, we spend the coming year better than the past which we propose to do. Burger died, Reinhard also. If only almighty God will deliver us from our terrible situation, which is our prayer. Amen. Morning, cloudy again, wind east by south for three days, past freezing hard every night. Looks like another snowstorm. Snowstorms are awful to us. Snow is so deep now, so very cold. Some of the children too weak to get from bed. Nothing but hides in the children's starving dog. Sunday, January 3rd, 1847, freezing at night, wind about east. Mrs. Reed talks of crossing the mountains with one of her older children, leaving others behind. Provision scarce.  No, not alone, Mrs. Reed. With milk. No. And Eliza in Virginia. Ten strong mountain men couldn't do it now. I must, I must. There isn't enough for all of us. Can I leave James with you? I'm going for bread, Tommy, to get bread for you and everybody. Child. What a time. To the gravestones. Will they take him in? I can only ask. Will you help take him over? Hurry, hurry, Mr. Breen, for God's sake, hurry. You can help Mrs. Reed. The fine and dandy Mrs. Reed. I only ask you with some charity. Take in my baby, Tom. We've got nothing to share with the son of your husband. Cut out your tongue, Mr. Graves. This isn't your concern, Mr. Breen, none of it. I've taken in James. And it's your bad luck. How can you talk so selfish? For all of us one problem, all to help each other. We're more alone than ever alone. From the man who fights the hardest, wins his life and life for his family. You ask a price? There's still some animal hides on the roof of your hut. I thought to share them for all the children. And let the others care for your precious baby. Mr. Breen? He can have some of them you give me. And there's silverware you brought. A foul mind and a foul body. No father than the stink of your own cabin living like animals. But you've become one. Then there's a golden bracelet my wife saw you wear. You can have it. And fine linen cloth. Any of it. Enough!  You asked for another thing and I turned my hand against you. I'll kill you if you ask for another thing. Please, Mr. Breen. I got all I wanted. I got all I need. Monday, January 4th, Mrs. Reed, Milt, Virginia and Eliza started about a half hour ago with the prospect of crossing the mountain. Our God of mercy helped them. It was difficult for Mrs. Reed to get away from the other children. Friday, January 8th, Wind East froze hard last night. Very cold this morning. Mrs. Reed and company came back this morning. Could not find their way on the other side of the mountain.  From January 10th to the 14th, it snowed without stop. Difficult to get wood even after the storm broke. There is little energy from much but sitting. Saturday, 23rd, blew hard and snowed all night. The worst storm we experienced this winter. The sun came out a while. No sign of any game. No birds. No Indians. Even they leave us to our fate. January 31st, Landrum Murphy died. The sun don't shine out brilliant this morning and it froze pretty hard last night. February 21st, 1847. We sat in our cabin. The hides was rotting from the heat inside and snow on top of them. But even those we boil and eat. We hear from the donors up the trail. All Jacob donors dying. Many were dying. Patrick, how long can we last? Not long, if all we talk of is death. What was that? Something's happening. Gone mad? Have some gone mad? No, I think it's more. Who sent you? How have you come to us? Reed told us he got us to come. Reed? The man we banished, God forgive us. The man we cast out. You brought some flowers and salt. We had to leave a lot behind. Enough to get us over the mountain? How many are there? Every night there's less. We hardly see each other. Keep that man away from the pack.  Put a guard on the food. We'll give out what we can. Not all of it. There's got to be enough left to go back. How many? Maybe 20 of us. Not all of us? Well, all of us go. None of us will make it. 24 went with the brave seven men. We left with no more food than we had when they came. And those who were left moved into only two cabins. We lived like animals then. We was little more. March 13th. Now I remember the day by counting it out. But I hardly knew then. The smell. We'll freeze if we go outside. Build a fire on this snow. If the others help, we can. At least not to live in a room with the dead. We come from built up country and cities.  We built it on snow. And it cut a well into the snow. We all moved down to it like a cave. We was too weak to move from the wet ground, too sick to care. At least it protected us from the wind. 14 of us was all that was left alive. My wife Peggy, Mrs. Graves and her baby. What do you have there? Nothing. Nothing. You hid something under your shawl. I didn't hide anything. You put something to your mouth. No. You got some food. You've been holding on some food. Go back, Peggy. Leave her be. I won't. Under her shawl. Give it back. It's only a bleached out bone, Peggy. She ate all that was on it. She ate. Don't, Mrs. Graves. Don't. She held out. It was only an empty bone. It had been boiled over and over. Held out. An empty, empty bone. Empty. Mrs. Graves' baby died that night. And in the morning of five-year-old son, life went from her all together. She died by the time the sky was light. We did not have energy to take them out of the pit because we didn't have no energy to get out ourselves. Close to 90s started. Half died. And on the sixth day in that cave of snow in the ground, sitting like animals in the mud. Not caring or even hearing. I can't pray. Don't. I can't even remember my prayers. In that place five months. We'll never forget. Some of us were selfish. We will never forget that no matter what we done that was wrong, a lot of us tried to be decent. I'd done what I was able. I'd done what was the most any man could. April, 1847. You're always right with Autolight. Next week, a true story taken from Captain Walter Kerrig's battle report, Korea. The facts concerning the mind-clearing operations in Wonsan Harbor. Needle in the haystack. Our star, Mr. William Holden. That's next week on Suspense. Suspense is produced and directed by Elliot Lewis with music composed by Lucian Morrowick and conducted by Lud Bluskin. Ordeal and Honor Pass was adapted for suspense by Arthur Ross. Feature in the night's cast were Paula Winslow, Mary Lansing, Charlotte Lawrence, John Daener, Joseph Kearns, Harry Bartell, and Parley Baer. Edmund O'Brien may soon be seen in The Bigamist, co-starring Joan Fontaine and Ida Lupino. And remember next week, Mr. William Holden in Needle in the Haystack. You can buy Autolight Stay Full batteries, Autolight Standard or Resistor type spark plugs, and Autolight Original Service Park at your neighborhood Autolight dealers. Switch to Autolight. Good night.


Welcome to MCH 2022, the abacus stage. And I'm very happy to introduce Breno de Winter, talking about open cat security through cat's eyes. So take away Breno. Yeah, thank you very much. Yeah, you are going to see a lot of cat pictures in this presentation. So be alert and be aware. If you hate cats, bad luck for you. I'm Breno de Winter. I'm the harbormaster and at the Ministry of Health, Welfare, and Sports, I'm the Chief Security Privacy Operation for the Corona Tech. We talked about it yesterday, just a quick reminder. This is my cat, Brani. Brani Benani is how I cuddle her. And that was the name of a project. So we started the website.  This is Hiro, Brani, and Keiko. In a government system, it looks like this. Then somebody said, like, stop using cat names. Then the minister said, you can use cat names. So this is what we are going to talk about today. And with the Corona Tech, there are a few projects that we have to do. Contact Tracing, Contact Tracing App, the Brani Benani I talked about, the EU DCC, the QR codes. We built a EHR for hospitals in six weeks times. We have exception routes. We do fraud protection, red teaming. And we're also supporting the other nations in our kingdom, Curacao, Ayruba, and St. Martin. So that's a lot to deal with. And then what do we need to do? Of course, the continuous monitoring. And you have all the occasional issues, the shortage of people, the high stress level, especially the political environment that you're in, and then all the tasks you have to do, starting with pentest and code reviews, ending with your risk assessments, and your weekly starting at 7 PM on a Saturday DDoS. It's those standard things you have to deal with all the time. And with a small group of people doing that, that is kind of a hard thing. Now, I've been in security for over 30 years and nearly 40. And one of the things I've learned from the thousands of incidents I saw is whenever shit hits the van, a configuration management database is totally different from reality. On the left-hand side, you see Amsterdam in 1538. And that is generally the map when you end up at an incident that they give you. This is Amsterdam in reality. So, yeah, and for my colleague, Cleo, sorry, but this is the harsh reality. So this needs to change. And this is an issue for us as well. And then what we're doing to prevent incidents is basically finding the famous needle in a haystack. And as I've shown you, we've got all sorts of projects going on and different nations to support. So basically, I'm searching in more haystacks than basically would fit on a PowerPoint slide. So far, so good. Then the game this day when we had this corona testing facility that was hacked by the Dutch news outlet, RTL News. And basically what they found was a Google Firebase that was in development mode. And yeah, then you can go through all the data. And Parliament said to the minister, you have to investigate all these parties. Yeah, but it's not our job. Yes, you have to. So we started continuous monitoring. And that was for up to 70 companies at the same time. There isn't a single security company that will say like, oh, sure, we'll help you with this one because it's highly political sensitive. It's all open. So there we were. So we did a lot of manual scanning in a weekend, found hundreds of vulnerabilities at these facilities. And then the next question came, OK, now we've sent the information over. How do we know for sure that it was all fixed? And then you start scanning again. And then this company will go like, no, no, no. There was nothing wrong. It's a false positive, or it wasn't really a problem. And then we found other stuff as well. For instance, one of these facilities basically said, OK, we've got secure mail for health care applications. We let them be part of our system. And then somebody by accident discovered that they turned that off because you have to buy a subscription of a couple of euros per month. That apparently was too expensive. How do you monitor that altogether? So there were a lot of issues. And it's not even that simple because there's one other issue as well. It's not only about security. It's also about what makes us as team, but also the minister vulnerable. And that might also be security issues that aren't there. So we stopped talking about security. And we started to talk about everything that makes you vulnerable. That really doesn't skill down the problem. So we decided to go for a tool. And since we're talking about vulnerabilities, the Dutch word is Quetsperheden. And we want to analyze them. And it's a tool. So we called it the Quetsperheden Analyser Tool. And full behold, that's the Dutch word CAT. For the ones that were in my lecture yesterday, this is our team logo. That is perfectly fine for the tool as well. So we learned a couple of lessons. And one of the things that we should do is prove that if we found something, that this is really true. And if something changes, I want to be alerted. And I don't know what can change. But if anything changes, I want to be alerted. And then we found that there were basically no tools that really understood the Dutch context properly, let alone the medical context. So long story short, we needed something that would be able to scan, would be able to do other stuff, but also doesn't violate the Dutch laws. Or one could say, I was looking for an ayah-leek in the Wolmiigzaal. So how do I realize this? Help. So I found my friend Jan Klopper and said like, Jan, help. And Jan is a hacker. Oh, I know I have aged a bit. Yes, it's true. So yeah, we had a problem. And Ben had decided on calling me. I don't know why, but these things happen.  This is true, yes. But you didn't know that back then. Yeah, and the first thing you said was, Brennan, stop throwing data away. Yeah. So what we see in the general availability of security tools that you start scanning, and the end product is always the vulnerability that you find. The end product is always this report saying, you have to fix this, you have to fix that. But to get there, you're probably going to do a lot of queries, collect a lot of information. And all of these tools next to each other do that again and again. Every time they do a DNS query, do a connection to the server, collect some information, parse it in their own way, make their own answers, put the answer in the report, and you get only the answer in the report. And we decided to do it a bit differently and say, OK, each one of these little steps should be a little program by itself, the UNIX philosophy. And every time we do one of these little loops, we're going to collect the information both raw, so we can actually prove that we did it. And we're going to collect whatever comes out of it in the database, in a corrupt database. How do we prove it? Good question. So we decided on running all the tools in containers. Very fancy. But it's not a means to an end in it. It's actually something that helps us. And we run the container, for example, Nmap, very simple tool. We run it. We collect the information that goes into the container, the IP address. We collect the version, the hash of the image. And we collect whatever comes out of it. And that gives a pretty good, pretty good complete answer of what the tool did. And then we allow someone else, an external party, to sign that package, hash it, sign it, timestamp it, so we can actually prove what we did. So basically the external timestamp service makes sure it's forensically sound. Correct. And then we do that for every step along the way while collecting information to build this graph. Yeah, and this graph we built in a cross-time database so that we can see the status of an object in all moments in time. So I can compare an object on January 1st around midnight to the status of the object right now. Yeah, so we have the graph. And the graph that we have today might be slightly different than the graph we had yesterday. And that allows us to obviously see the differences. But since we have this database of information, we have all the little nodes of information, we can use that graph to then and only then start looking for patterns, start looking for objects, start looking for things that we don't like in our graph, in our reality, within our set of business rules. So if you put everything in objects, you put needles with needles and hey with hey. So if you say I'm looking for a needle, then basically you can say, hey, here's a batch of needles.  OK, the question is, how do we get the data and we get data with Bufius? You're going to learn a little bit of Dutch as well. Bufius is the Dutch word of Reskel. And basically, it's a plugin. Yeah, so we have a bunch of different plugins and Bufius is the first one. And it's the one that goes out and gets data. It goes on the internet or it goes, look at the various tools or APIs, or maybe internal or external databases. And it only has a question. It goes and fetch the raw data. It doesn't really matter which format it is in. And it collects it to be stored in our forensic database. And they are just facts. So in a regular tool, for example, if you run Nmap and a lot of tools will immediately say, oh, you got port 22 open. Don't do that. I don't care about port, it's fine. Do whatever you want. I get that a pentester probably has a reason not to do port 22 on the internet, but that's a business rule. And the business rule comes later. Because we made a distinction between facts and conclusions. I have got this guy walking around along Kneterman. And he's basically always doing a finding and then saying, OK, you have to decide if it's important for you or not. So he says, OK, Brenno, I'm looking at your house. I see smoke coming out of the roof. And flames, if this is important to you, the logic step would be to dial 112 and ask for the fire brigade. Optionally. Optionally. Optionally. I don't know what your context is.  We have a whole bunch of plugins already. We need a lot more. So I'll do the shout out now. Come to your open cat tent and join the scene. But then I've got data. And data is still something that is unstructured. Yeah. So by now, we've ran all these boofyers and we collected all this raw information, probably just command line outputs or JSON blobs from somewhere. And in that data is a lot of extra information. We need to process that to actually make sense of make needles. And what we do is we have a separate set of plugins, normalizers, or whiskers, as we call them. And we couple each whisker either to a boofy or to a mime type and say, oh, let's see. We have text HTML forensic proof. What can we do with that? We have end map output. What can we do with that? And we scan that data from the store, check it. And if we find something that we understand, then we add it to the database. But Jan, today I understand only so much. And then all these people are going to help. And then I understand a little more. Yes, I know. That's very interesting. So imagine having this vault of data that you collected over many, many years over systems that you have in production. And you had done this, as you would, because Brando asked you to. And it's a good morning. You wake up and you notice there's something wrong with your website. CPUs are spiking. Every time a browser visits it. And you find a bit of JavaScript code in there. And it's Bitcoin mining. So it's essentially destroying the planet. You find that bit of Bitcoin code, the crypto miner. And you notice that you obviously missed it, because you didn't know it was there. What you can do from that point on is collect that information. You write a normalizer that looks for this specific bit of JavaScript, add it to cut, to open cut. And it will probably find another few of these injected bits of HTML or JavaScript in your various sites, because we had already downloaded all the HTML. We had already collected the proof. So you can immediately start fixing these things. But you also have all the historic information in your forensic store. So now the normalizer can start working backwards, overall that collected data, and pinpoint the moment in time, because we have a cross-time database where we saw that bit of JavaScript for the first time. And this obviously helps with pinpointing when you were attacked.  Because seeing a bit of JavaScript in your website is one thing. Knowing how they got in is probably very expensive research. A bit of expensive research, yeah. Yeah, and then we store all the data in bytes. Is that one of my cats? Definitely not. It's Simon's. Simon is here. But we store it forensically in our data store. And then basically we go for the business rules. Yeah, so business rules. Very enterprising name, I know. Business rules are more or less like complex CSS queries. And you have a set of data. You have a tree of information. And what a business rule actually does, we have one on screen here that says, okay, every time an IP address is added to the graph, I'd like to be ran. So it's more or less a state machine. And it does collect some other additional IP information. So an IP port and a website might be related to this IP address.  We collect some ports. And if we have all the ports at this IP address, and we can do this bit of logic saying, okay, if port 80 is open, or port 443 is open, or not, then there's probably something wrong. If so, we'll add a finding, we'll yield a finding to the database. And what this does is it creates a new object in the graph. So if A exists, B must also exist. But A or B or C, this might be more complex queries. We try to keep them simple. And that opens up, for instance, one possibility is that you say like, okay, yesterday you had five ports open. Today it's 12, maybe your firewall configuration is no longer good. Yep, but there's more. If I see that you're running a bit of software, for example WordPress, I can do a query over all software instances. I can see that you're running WordPress. If this is WordPress, then there must also exist these other 1,568 dependencies. It's deduction. It's very simple. It's a simple business rule, and the business rule feeds on external information, and it handles every bit of WordPress in your site, or whatever you want. Yeah, there was this nice example of this Corona test street. They were using WordPress, and a new common filmability exposure came out. And that basically gave a CVSS score of 9.8, which is kind of serious. So after we downloaded it, I phoned the director of that testing street, and within 10 minutes of getting the alert, the website was fixed. I can't prove that we prevented the hack, but likely we did. Yeah, so the business rule was triggered again when we renewed the list of CVEs, and this thing that happened, we added all the extra facts to the database. Yeah, there's only one thing. The booths just get the data. The bytes feed them to their whiskers. The octopus is what we call the system that basically does all the handling of the data, and then ultimately it ends up with bits, and bits is basically... Sorry, we rerun the bits, and then basically you can do your reporting, et cetera. We've obviously got the interface for that. One of the interesting... Yeah, no, I'm not happy. Oh, yeah, go ahead. One of the interesting things about these bits is that, like I said, they add data and objects back into the graph. They don't have to be findings, but they could be. And once you alter the graph, you can then have another set of bits looking at that data again, and say, oh, wait a minute, if you have that little technical issue, then you're not compliant with, for example, internet.nl. And if you're not compliant with internet.nl, we've added a finding for this thing, oh, you're not compliant with this. Then we can add another business rule saying, oh, if you're not compliant with internet.nl, you're not compliant with NTA7516. 7516, which is safe email for the healthcare, yeah. So you build these really big compliancy questions and strip them down into smaller technical questions, simple queries. Yeah, there's only one thing that I'm totally not happy about. And that is, so far I have to do everything myself. Start it, click it. So we've got a scheduler. Yeah, Mula, another cat of one of the developers. Mula is our scheduler and we're now kind of in the volume of search engines. So we have lots of objects and every object that we add to the graph either triggers a bit or business rule, but they can also be input for another set of Bufius. If we find a host name, it doesn't matter where we collected it from, then we can probably do a bunch of things like DNS queries. We can try and see if there's any subdomains. We can look for certificates via transparency records. So deciding on which Bufius to run and in what order is something that the scheduler does. Also deciding on when to rescan. Some things don't need to be rescan every day. Some do. So if we're rescanning, then I can also see that if somebody fixed something, it is fixed. Correct, yeah. So if we see something broken today, we collect proof of that and by the time we rescan either manually or through the scheduler, we also collect evidence on when you fixed it, which is obviously very useful. Yeah, but now we need to use the real life practices and we need some help for that because I don't know how to do that. So I would like to invite Oscar Kuro. If he still dares. Well, actually the actual joke is that this is a government approved picture in an actual interview that I gave. But let's face it, with respect to what my day job is because my night job is, well, having fun and doing stuff, but on the day job site, my responsibility is for an entire ministry. It consists out of, depending on how you count, either 11 or 25 or even more organizations. So I know what kind of things are coming to me with respect to how to prove that you're compliant, how to prove that you have your security in control, that you prove that your privacy controls are, if you can test them with technical means, that they are okay. Yeah, but before we do that, now that we are the three of us, we need to get the open cut out. Yeah, and that needs to be published. So when did we do that? We did that on July 1st, at 2,200 hours. And in the next morning, we got a call from Davey Day, the nice guys who were before us and good going. And we had the information disclosure. So I dare to say open source seems to work. Yeah, so thanks to the work of them that they actually looked at the code so quickly, so fast and found something that we've missed. That's the thing that I think it's what open source should be. Well, it not just us. I think it speaks to why we do open cut. Yeah. Many people have been looking at open cut, including some companies, and we all missed it. And I think this is also one of the examples again because we've seen all kinds of other improvements that we've had in the talk that we've had with Breno and Ron in other days. That open source can work if you actually put your mind to it and do the right steps. And then this can work again. So it's really appreciative. Okay, but your mission is really to make cat holistic, MCH. Make cat holistic. I'll slide, you know, I'll let it slide that this one is not what it came. So one of the goals is that we can scan all the resources that we can actually get from the infrastructure. And if we can't then use the agent services, which is gonna be a lot because the amount of organizations that you had to deal with with the pandemic, that's fine, that's a lot, but the ministry itself has at least three... It's a bit bigger. It's a bit bigger and I've got more suppliers even to deal with and each of them need to be compliant and the compliance rules and regulations will improve because of all the... Yeah, this thing only works if the objects are being filled. So if you've got sufficient assets to add. Discover assets. Well, this is one of the things that I had to do myself in the weekends because that's the night job, is try to scan the infrastructure itself and then discover, oh my gosh, we have more APIs, we have more things to do, more things to control and everything is getting more and more. So we need to have scale in what we do. And this is why I think this is a cool thing that we have now is that we have the opportunity for scaling. Yeah, and the cool thing is if you really understand this, think of Log4J. What did most organizations do? They started scanning the moment the house is on fire. Collecting where Log4J was even included. We didn't know, I didn't know what it was. I mean, I know Java, but that's about it. But we already knew where it was. Yeah, so one of the... Yeah, Fridays, if I'm not mistaken. I looked at the code. Kudos to the North Wave guys because I thought that was the most readable Python implementation of scanning Log4J. Then extending that and then, well, telling to the guys, hey, look, I've scanned the entire ministry, at least from what I could get. Please help me. I need to make it into the service. Yeah, and sharing is caring. Sharing is caring, so... So yeah, what we also do is we also have to be open to Parliament and state, look, this is what we do. And one of the important things is that we don't just keep it to ourselves, but also make it available for all the other ministries who have the same challenges. Well, not just ministries, I mean...  And why limit ourselves to that? Yeah, we've got our friends at C-Sert who are going to scan hospitals with it. So that's kind of cool. There are so many opportunities. Yeah, well, this is basically the overview if you want to know more. There is time for questions. We deliberately left some time for questions. We can think, we can understand if it's hard for you to think about questions. So we thought of a couple of questions for you. I still have questions, so you should have questions as well. Exactly, and if you don't dare to ask questions now, come to the OpenCAD tent and ask questions then. Any questions? Hi, I was wondering if there are plans for an API. Yeah, so the question was if we have any plans for APIs, and I'm guessing you mean to extract data from CAD and use it somewhere else, right? Yeah, also to configure it. Yeah, sure, sure. So CAD is OpenCAD is built out of various containers. As you saw, we have bytes, the forensic store you can use and interact with that. If you skip the boofies part and inject data right into bytes, the normal system will pick them up. You can also query bytes as well and get data out of it. Octopus, same story, you could add objects there. You can query octopus for objects at any time. Yeah, just as with prani-banani, what we did is make a big problem. That's actually what I learned from MendoMobar.  So what we did is that's why we have all these little projects so that you make it a little bit smaller. Yep. Hello, congratulations on building and releasing such an excellent tool. I have a question regarding the forensics collection and the keeping data of why discard it. Do you keep the P-caps of all your scans? And if not, why not? Very good question. Thank you. Yes, it's on the roadmap. And yes, we have promised this. And no, we don't do it yet. So since we're running all the containers with the boofies in there, it's a very logical question, a very logical thing to also collect all the network traffic that is being generated. Because Nmap might just output something, but it might have seen something else. It might have been collecting data. And once we have that data, we could easily make normalizers to scan through that data as well, to scan through the P-cap files, and pick them apart, and collect even more data points from there. Because we might not know what we're looking for until we discover this in the future. And also have to prove what kind of data we've actually sent out over the network per scan, or in this case, per container. So one of the reasons we do this, there's actually two main reasons why we do this. We want to make sure that if we scan, that we have a proof of that we actually scanned. This is something that's missing from lots and lots of pentesting reports. Did you actually scan this? I don't know. So if, for example, you do end mapping on an IP address, and if it doesn't return any IP addresses or ports, does it show up in your pentest? I'm guessing not. How do you prove that you've actually scanned it? By showing that you have the input, you have the output, you probably have the P-cap file somewhere, then you have actually a proof that you've done your work and that you didn't find anything. But if, for some other reason, Nmap is broken in that version, and it skips port 22, I want to make sure that I have proof of running that specific version and doing my job. I have run Nmap. There was a very good reason for that. There was this one case where I was involved in this incident with a city in the east of the Netherlands and they got fully ransomware. And then I stumbled across this pentest and it didn't say that RDP was open. But the funny thing was when you went to Shodan, I could see that all the days of the pentest, except one or two, this port actually was open. So how can that be? And this is why you want to have that proof. Excellent answer, thank you. Also, if you're negotiating secure connections like TLS, keep a copy of all the keys that you've negotiated. We do, yes, thank you. Thank you. So my question was about your CMDB. You said it was not complete enough. Is OpenCAD more complete than your CMDB? Or is it more than the CMDB? No, I would not say that at this moment, definitely not. But this is why we are focusing on the asset management. Because this is what you really want and of course we'll draw all your inferences from that. Modern CMDBs have extra modules to scan the network and have from actual collections of whatever agents or whatever data input you can then state, oh, look, the CMDB is not complete in these kinds of elements. But today, yeah, and today we got actually an offer of somebody who is looking in making a boofy that connects to ACMDB. So yeah, this is what we want to trigger as well. Yeah, there's two routes there actually. So you can use your existing CMDB or admin panel or whatever to feed into OpenCAD saying, hey, I have these assets, please scan them. You could go the other way as well and say, let's scan everything that we can find and then have a business rule saying, if there's something in the OpenCAD in Octopus in the database which is not present in my CMDB, there's a finding, right? Something's missing in your CMDB. So you can use both ways as whatever you wanna do with it. You said you scanned log files and is that from outwards, inwards? The reason for the question is like, if you have normal users using the system, you log IP addresses and then maybe the GDPR comes into play. If you say you have them hashed, subscribe that this wasn't changed, how do you handle that? We're just looking at it, we're not just figuring out the answer. Yes, yes. So a bunch of questions in there actually. So yes, we are currently scanning from the outside in and that means that we're not collecting information on clients, for example, but we are working on having more runtimes, so internal runtimes like in your network, in your VLANs, possibly even agents that are on your server and collect raw files, collect forensic information and then we can normalize that and build the graph. Once you start doing that, obviously, you might get personal information in there and then you obviously have to deal with that. The way you do that is defined in the model and we don't have it yet, but we can probably add something like encrypted models saying this has a key roll over after so many months and it gets destroyed through that means. At the moment, we don't have any objects that actually collect private information because we as the ministry don't want to do that. Nothing's stopping you though from creating these models and adding these boofies yourself. And also, of course, we already have the namespacing that makes it possible to do internal scanning as well and we've already got a project name for that and that is kitten cat on a pie. Small cat, kitten. Okay, thank you. Hello and congratulations on this beautiful product.  It's that more people want an open cat and one day a different ministry or hospital is going to come along and says we would like to get an open cat instance, but we would like to get help with that. Is there a company that can do that for me? And the question is, have you given any thought about a hybrid commercial ecosystem around this because the question is going to come. Yeah. Jan and I had a lot of Thursday evenings. So one of the bullet points missing on my slide is serial entrepreneur, because it's so cheesy. My mic is canceling sometimes, but yeah, have been thinking about this, but obviously we just want to do this within the industry first. Someone else is bound to take the source and take it, build some cloud platform out of this. We do have the name for it though. It's gas. Cat has a surface. So, you know, we have in fact done half the work already. But Brenno, how much introductions and stories do you tell? How much presentations do you give about cat to how many people? We have, don't like dozens and dozens of presentations. Per which timeframe? I think dozens, per. No, I think we've done about 150 demonstrations in the last six months.  Oh yeah. Very much, and I speak from experience, I would very much urge you to get the thinking done early. Bert, it's open, so hey, here's your commercial option. But I must say, look, open, yeah, but it's not open. Look, it's on GitHub. Download, clone, do what you want. No, no, it's the thing that I like about this is that it's being told. There's a story being told. There's a story behind it. Why? A philosophy. And this is also being told at each of the presentations, not just to, look, how cool this tool is. No, why did we do it? And how do we do it? And this is also one of the first, well, let's face it, tries from a ministry perspective to share something that we've built for ourselves to a wider community, way beyond the scope of what we have. This is not quite the place to hash this out, but let me, I want to tell you I'm super enthusiastic and I'm more worried that it will be, that it will get too hot. So I have a theory about this. If you're in this kind of space and you're innovating, what happens is as soon as a commercial company stumbles upon something that makes money, the sales drones come in. And that could become terrible. But let us, I'm available for further discussions because I did it once and it nearly failed. But I've got the feeling that we are going to have some Grappa at the Italian Embassy later. I'm looking forward to it. But, yeah, thank you. This is my view because we have a Grappa emergency. There is a Grappa emergency going on on MCH. There is no more Grappa at the Italian Embassy. What? So tonight at 10, we will be having fun at the Open Cut Village. Yes. And because Jan was so kind to present the original design of her. This is the original, original, original, original one. My sister is the designer of this. She made this and we'd like to opt it off for the good cause. It's the only one in existence, so.  Can I start bidding now? I have already made a 250 euro bid. So 250 from this gentleman here? Yeah. Who is offering more? I'm offering 300. Open Cut Village. We can do that later. But tonight at 10, Open Cut Village, guys, come over, we'll have a blast together.  I have a very serious question. And that is, what is FreeCut? And how does it work?  And I don't like it. The funny thing is, Anayon presented FreeCut to us after we launched the Open Cut website. And I couldn't resist and put FreeCut in Open Cut, the software. And then I asked Anayon, where are these?  Yeah, exactly. Older than the poster. So in that case, is the relation between FreeCut and OpenCut comparable to the relation between FreeBSD and OpenBSD? No. At this moment, it's complicated. It's politically charged. I think it's complicated. That'll be the status. Okay, I have one statement and one silly question. The first statement is, I have some experience in open source stuff and government. Please listen to Bert. Please. We will. So, why the Comic Sans? I'll give you the question. Okay. Well, I was one slide because to be honest, I actually find the content of the Comic Slide kind of interesting. Yeah, the Comic Sans was basically made because I wanted to annoy Anayon because I can. And there we have him. Hey, Anayon, that's so good to see you. I still have one more question. That is, why was FreeCut released five minutes before OpenCut? I'm guessing four sites. It's complicated. Thank you. I guess there are no more questions. I've got a question, actually. So, if we want to implement Cat ourselves, is there a KitCat to help us do that? The name? I don't know if we get that one, but hopefully, I'll try. Yeah. No, that's been really interesting. Thank you very much. So, any ask, comments, and the auction, just to repeat. I was just wondering, I expected really somebody to ask the question, is MCH 2022 in control, but nobody did. Tell us, we've got a few minutes. Okay. No, we don't think so, because those are all the findings. But there we go. I think that's the false positives, unlikely. Thank you very much indeed for a very interesting talk. Thank you.


Hey guys, welcome back to The Nova Show, it's your host International Nova and in today's episode we've got some cool music news and a freedom partner spotlight, so let's get right to it. And in today's news, Martin Shrekli has been arrested by the FBI. Now if you guys tuned into our last episode, I did announce that Martin Shrekli is the most hated man on the internet. He is known for buying a life-saving HIV drug and hiking up the price from $13.50 to over $700 for the pill and is also the person who purchased the Wu Tang album for over $2 million. Now just a few days ago, Martin announced that he would bail out rapper Bobby Shmurda from jail and would also cover his lawyer fees. Now the very next day he was arrested by the FBI and charged with fraud. Now get this, Martin posted bail the same exact day for $5 million. Now in other news, R&B's supergroup, TGT, which consists of Tank, Tyrese and Genoine, have just announced their breakup over Instagram. Now according to Tyrese's Instagram post, it seems that Tyrese and Tank are moving on and are looking for a brand new third member to the group. Now over the past few years they have been known for having small fights within the group, but it seems like this breakup is official. Congratulations go out to R&B singer Tiana Taylor and her fiancée NBA player Iman Shumpert on the birth of their daughter just a few days ago. Now just a few nights ago it seems that Tiana went into labor without realizing it and essentially delivered her baby girl in their bathroom floor with the help of Iman and a pair of headphones. Now apparently Iman used a pair of headphones to tie the umbilical cord until a paramedics arrived and were able to do their thing and take Tiana to the hospital. Hey guys we're back in my home studio and today's freedom partner Spotlight goes out to a partner by the name of Alexander Obitz. Now one of the great things that I love about the Nova show is that we feature a spotlight with different artists across different genres of music. Rappers, singers, producers, you name it we spotlight it here. And today's freedom partner Spotlight is no different. He does a lot of cover songs and does have some cool original music as well. And I'm actually really really impressed by his potential. So let's go and check him out. You gotta change my answer in machine now that I'm alone cause right now it says that we can't come to the phone and I know it makes no sense cause you walk out the door but it's the only way I hear your voice anymore. Now there's a few things I do want to touch on that hopefully can help you make some better music and some better quality recordings.  Now with cadence this has to deal with speed, delivery and your melodies. As a vocalist you want to find the right speed or the right cadence at which you can sing your vocals and still being your natural breath pattern so you don't sound out of breath. Now as far as tone, as a vocalist, as a singer, as a rapper you want to find the tone that is right for you. As a musician you want to find the right tone, you want to find the right key at which you're comfortable singing at and at the same time sound your best. Now as a singer you don't have to sing at every key, you just have to master your key and your range. Neal is a great example of this, he doesn't have a huge vocal range but he's mastered his range and he sounds amazing in his tone. To learn your range find out which key you're most comfortable in and master that key. Now lastly is presence, you want to make sure your presence is felt on every single record and you want to make the record yours. One thing I did notice in your covers is you're not singing the song the same way the original artist sang it which is great. You're making the song you and that's part of your presence okay.  Now aside from these things I think you have amazing potential and I would love to see you grow as an artist. I would love to see you become a partner of beat which is our music label here at Freedom. So guys please go follow Alexander, his link is in the description below, subscribe and join me in watching his progress grow as an artist. Now guys that's it for the Nova Show, until next time I hope you guys take care.


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