Hey everyone, welcome back to the Nintendo Prime podcast season two episode to 28 We have an almost full panel today It's been a bit of an odd one for starters my thoughts go out to Andres restart who's been dealing with some issues with this cat. It does sound like Ruby's gonna be okay, but It's been a very trying time and that's all I can really say about that So good luck working on your content man and trying to catch up after taking some time off to take care of your pet That being said we do have a nice crew here for starters Someone in the Green Bay Packers shirt is back. How's it going Eric? Good. Good. It's about time. Yeah, right? Man, it's been like one since the last month. Yeah For sure. Yeah, and then I don't know if I had missed the one before I think we're at that the one three weeks ago, and then you before that anyway Yeah, it's been a lot.  Yeah, no Work and then sick here. That's just it. So you're here. Let's just go right into Introduction then what you've been playing lately. Let's just get that done at the same time. What are you been playing lately? Well, that's a switch. Here's the kingdom Okay, you're in the Goron mines. Yeah, are you there yet? No, I'm in Goron city I'm just getting to work and work in your way I had more fun working my way to that dungeon than doing the dungeon Maybe my least I might even say least favorite. I just legitimately don't like the Goron mines. So Maybe you love it. You're gonna go through maybe you're gonna go through it and be like that's my favorite dungeon in this game right now It's possible I don't know one other one. So I don't really have any other space Hey, did you play it?  Or did you like actually? Oh, I'm gonna try to do it. I'm gonna cheat. I legit it. I annoying your your sentiment is that would then it's bad It's bad. It's just bad. It's just not a good dungeon I can understand why anyone would want to just zonite device zonite device and just It's bad. It's not fun. It's just not it It's just not fun but here's the funny thing about the Goron mines and tears of the kingdom is It's very much designed like some other Zelda dungeons that I really don't like from the past So, you know, I'm not really surprised that another one of these type of overly convoluted but so simple Dungeons is in this one, but you know, it's it's alright. It is what it is. The funny thing is If you guys remember the trailers for tears of the kingdom This is one of the ones I was most excited for all the riding minecarts always fighting an enemy to try to knock He looks so badass. Then you actually do it. You're like, this isn't that fun It looks so cool in the trailer. Yeah, it's one of those awesome trailer shot not great game That was definitely my least favorite one out of out of all the temples. That was my least favorite. You guys who did point me That's the last one I have Nice, well, you never know. Hey, here's the thing. It's not the last one you have Okay, all right. Yeah That being said I might as well just go now, I've been talking about tears of the kingdom I'm playing tears of the kingdom. I mean, I'm I joined this thing called the review crew And so apparently I review games on some once a month and we're doing tears of the kingdom first So my entire plan of like I'm not gonna beat the story until next year Well, that just got shot so I've just been like bum rushing to get to the end. I'm pretty much there Just completed the fifth dungeon. So Yeah, I'm basically there, but I stopped because You know, I have this feeling with my 12 hearts and my non-upgraded gear and my crappy weapons Then I might get shrekt a lot coming up So I don't think this last section is gonna be like a little quick half hour and done It might take me a couple hours of getting shrekt before I finally Get good. That's what I hope to be fair. Not a single Zelda boss has killed me yet in this game. So But there's a difficulty spike and I'm looking forward to it. So I can't yeah Yeah, I can't wait. It's gonna basically expect the time sink of a sixth dungeon. That's all say I was watching your stream and I you say you're screaming through it But man you took forever to solve there was a puzzle where there was a tower And you had to move the scales up and down you were trying to find all these objects to put on it I'm like you could just pull the actual weight itself down and then just reverse time it Here's the thing. There's a reason I don't do that I for part of my playthrough Um that that I've been doing I've I've been just cheating all the shrines everything and recall And I started realizing It's such a cheap ability That it sort of takes away some of the fun Because you can almost solve every puzzle with a combination of master a master hand and and recall It just legitimately solves a whole bunch of shit, and I'm just kind of like And look they clearly meant for you to put weights on it. I'm gonna make this work Just because uh, I don't know why the boxes kept dropping Why would just cancel why I'm like why is my master hand canceling I moved like a centimeter The ground is slightly uneven like just stop Anyways, can I only need two of them? Of course they all break but anyway, that's whatever I obviously got it but Uh, so I know and trust me. I was reading the chat the chat was roasting me so bad And I'm just like I was like guys. I know that you could cheese it. I just don't want to cheese it like it's too I've been cheeseing and I know if I'm bum rushing. Well, you should do it the quickest. I'm like Look I play how I play you play how you play it Look, I could build mega mechs and have them wreck everything in the game. Like it should be real That would be really fun. You know I made a homing missile in one like it shoots up and then there's like the turret one That looks for stuff and so you put a rocket on top of that thing So it shoots and if it shoots closing up to an enemy the turrets finds it and activates the second rocket and throws it into its It's amazing Yeah, well anyways, so I'm playing lots of tears of the kingdom and tomorrow I will beat the story. Well, I mean Hopefully look I plan for it to be like a couple hours But like if the stream turns into an eight hour marathon because I keep dying that much I might not be I'm pretty confident in my gaming ability that when I beat my head against the wall enough I eventually crashed through it.  We'll see. I don't want to get too cocky just because After I spent all this time, uh, figure out how to fight an ice gliac And then I faced a flame gliac for my first time on stream and I'm like all worried about it Because oh, it's it's like I'm it's on the bridge.  Oh, we got like 15. We got 20. We got 25. I'm like, no, I just got 12 I'm used to pretty much everything in the game will one shot me if I screw up at this point. So It's whatever. Oh, I'm fighting the boss. Oh, it's got a charge attack Yeah, when that queen thing hits me, it'll kill me.   Oh Good thing I popped that defense potion like literally 30 seconds ago Yeah, right Because otherwise I would have died. Um, anyways, let's you know a flam. You were just speaking. Let's have you go Welcome. Who are you? It's your second time here and then uh, after you get through your, you know, you can Show confess so much of a professional and tend to sin if you are by telling me what you play lately Of course Uh, hi, my name is flam. You can call me austin or flam or flam. Whatever works for you Uh, I do Nintendo variety content on twitch twitch.tv slash flam if you could guess I also do a lot of game shows. I do like collaborative content. That's kind of my thing Love love having other people on finding new people and lots of games The most recent thing is we do like a mario party tournament. So that's to give you example But what I've been playing recently is I've been playing a lot of pokemon tcg live here. I'm holding my phone up I've climbed halfway up the rank tree in a day and a half. That's how obsessed with it. I've been And yeah, it's been fun. I've enjoyed it And I organized my card collection I was talking about this before the stream because I was looking for these bad boys these little qr codes of Of uh, that give you more good stuff in the app in the game Because I have a massive card collection I also pulled out a lot of the cards that I can use in real life because I'm going to start going to locals and whatnot. So less video gamey still technically video game, but Yeah, that's that's been my week and then I know next week and the week after I have a lot of travel to do So I'm going to definitely get back into like Pikmin Pikmin 4 is going to be Play the demo finally and it's I'm so excited for the game. It's going to be so hype. It's going to be so hype I'm excited Nice Yeah, all right fusion 64 welcome back for the first time in probably a year at this point and spend so long How you doing bud? I think it was like six months ago. Maybe I don't know. How's it going?  I happen to pick up a persona 5 royale for switch bayonetta origins and This bad dog just came in the mail pretty excited Nice And by the way out of nowhere. It wasn't a prime day deal. They might have a prime day. It's just But it finally showed up. Here's the tears of the kingdom. They just counted to 51 dollars But was not a prime day deal. I just out of nowhere. I'm like what what is right? All right, cool. You don't have tears The kingdom no excuse Yeah, really now it's cheaper than it's cheaper than six Or should have been quote unquote See as they say quote unquote should have been it's one of the fastest selling nintendo games of all time Clearly was priced correctly For all the bitchin Cool. What are you been playing lately? Oh, I've been playing a ton of stuff Some splatoon three the sizzle season. I think that's what it's called Yeah I am hooked on like cosmetic stuff in gaming So like in part of this battle pass their catalog they call it There's all like a bunch of russia nintendo systems game and watch nes So i'm like, all right. Well, I have to I got to kind of grind out to get this stuff So but played a bunch of that final fantasy 16 came out a few weeks ago So i'm like 30 hours into that. Yeah the story in that game is amazing boss battles are amazing But everything kind of in between is just It's okay. That's yeah, that's what I've heard It's like there's tremendous highs and then it kind of gets back down and then So like you get done with a great boss battle and like some really heavy story And then you're going back to your base and you're doing like fetch quests and a lot of monotonous stuff And it's yeah, yeah, but it's really good. I love it. It's it's really good Nice, nice, and then of course tears of the kingdom. I just got the master sword today So that was exciting Oh Big point in the story. Yeah, definitely don't say anymore Definitely. No, I won't definitely want to ruin it for him. I'm just like I've been trying to Slowly chip away at it because I haven't gotten spoiled by the ending because you know, everybody said that The ending part is like It's like goes makes it go from like a nine to a ten basically and Yeah, I've heard it's one of the greatest endings ever and I'm like cool. That's all I want to know Right. Yeah I'm like 120 hours into that. I think I got like 95 shrines. So I'm getting there. I'm almost there I just I have Goran city left to do myself. So Been biting my tongue this whole time you guys are talking about tears of the kingdom. I'm just Oh Whenever we can finally have like a spoiler cast about it. I'm I'm so ready Yeah, well, let me just tell you I'm sitting here like Pretty sure that uh, once I beat the game here this week spoiler cast is happening pretty quickly after because I'm gonna want to talk Oh, yeah What's great about that game is is like you can play for 20 minutes and knock out a shrine or Yep, you know do anything else or you can play it for eight hours straight It's weird that it's an open world game that you could just be like a 20 minute session and be good It's so weird Right because usually open world games like I don't even want to if unless I have like an hour You know where I can dedicate to it. I'm not even turning it on really so Any other open world games? So It's nice when games appreciate your time like that Like it's it's especially like some games. They're just so grindy like yeah I get like sometimes you want to experience the grind But when games kind of appreciate your time like that where you can pick it up and put it down Or you can still grind it out if you want to it's just it's just the best feeling. Yeah And then back we have uh nick barrett over there. I'm sorry nick with no k with no k How's it going buddy? It's going good. I honestly I am Really sleep deprived.  Um So I'm looking forward to the weekend when I can sleep in. Um, but aside from that I Have been playing a lot of persona five strikers to get ready for Tactica coming out at the end of the year, but honestly I kind of want to go back to tears of the kingdom because I beat the story and then I was like, okay I'm going to take a break just so I don't like burn myself out on the game and end up hating it and now I've put it down and I see everyone on twitter talking about it I'm like because a lot of people are getting to my point where they're and they're finally getting to the end Now I don't kind of want to go back and play it. I got more shrines. I just got my um My guide This past weekend so like I can go through and get the stuff that I was missing There's some armor set some shrines and stuff So I'll probably end up going back to that in like I don't know next week sometime so But that's that's what I've been doing just persona and then eventually back to zelda Nice. I'm sitting over here trying to share the podcast on threads because it only works on phone Gotta be on all the social networks. Uh, yep, so We can just kind of hop into it. Yeah, Eric. You said what you played at. Yeah, you did I forgot you went first. Uh, all right. Let's let's get into our first time. This is kind of a interesting topic because it's still evolving as we go Talking about how the ftc is lost to uh, Microsoft Or as some people are calling it playstation lost to xbox, which is kind of weird Because the fc made it all about playstation when really this isn't about playstation And that was probably the number one issue with what they were doing is This really wasn't about playstation and they made it about it and the judge seemed pretty annoyed that they kept making it About playstation instead of talking about consumers That being said, there's a lot that's happened. It's like I got to recap for it and then an update that happened Uh shortly before our podcast went live because an appeal has been filed. We'll just throw that out there They did the ftc is appealing the decision, which doesn't really mean anything Uh, it just means it goes to the ninth district appeals court and they decide if they're going to grant the appeal or not That's about it. They could just not grant it and it's irrelevant Or they could grant it They're just going to look over the judge's decision glance at the evidence and decide if an appeal is really going to change really going to change anything and uh Based on a quick google search I did the ftc is not won an appeal in nearly 15 years So and they haven't been granted one since 2009 So i'm just going to go out on a limb and say the ftc appealing this probably doesn't actually mean that much And all the appeal can do if it if it gets approved. It doesn't mean the deal's dead Um, it would it would just basically mean that the trial kind of happens again with a new judge That's pretty much it and that the ftc doesn't have anything new to bring to the table And don't really foresee how it's going to go differently, but that's assuming that they even get the appeal granted because they usually don't um, that's just the way it goes with the ftc because It's funny when you look at the history of the ftc cases when they lose them They usually lose them pretty bad Um, and if you read the judges ruling on this it does not look like the ftc presented much that being said Let's go into what was actually going on So the ftc lost its injunction against microsoft Which would have delayed the purchase of activision blizzard king for at least a year possibly longer In reality, this would have actually killed the deal as microsoft stated They were not going to litigate the purchase for years and they would have paid the fee to back out of the deal Which was reported to be a three billion dollar fee To back out of the deal So the injunction would have killed the sale But it would have effectively killed it because microsoft wasn't interested And waiting years and years and years through litigation to go through this this deal They want it done now by the way the deal is supposed to be done signed and sealed and Was it uh july 18th next week? Yep next week july 18th So it's super quick and then another thing about this appeal is if the appeal isn't approved Like let's say it gets approved later, but isn't approved before july 18th The sale still goes through So it's kind of this weird thing that the injunction can technically Possibly happen even though the sale has already gone through and it wouldn't actually stop the sale And then it goes into a whole bunch of other The injunction by the whether the the injunction they wanted to happen to delay the ability for the sale to go through now That was the whole point of the injunction But if the appeal doesn't have a decision on it before the 18th it won't stop that anyways And the injunction was never it's the injunction doesn't stop the sale once it's happened So it would just become something different and honestly the fdc's appeal would probably wouldn't even matter at that point That being said that's why it's a whole kerfuffle at the moment where obviously they found that now because they're hoping to get it approved Probably won't but we don't know it's up to the the appeals court So while this doesn't end the fdc's fight against the deal It does greatly lessen the chance that their grander case will be able to do anything They have two other cases that will take years to litigate out As it stands there's nothing in the united states for preventing the sale from going through on july 18th And that's still true despite the appeal being filed because it hasn't been approved The fdc's antitrust suit won't happen for another year or two and based on the results of this case It's likely that they probably will come up with nothing and the fdc Probably knows that that's why they're really heavily banking on getting this appeal approved and hopefully Getting a different judge to overturn the ruling Um, the fdc uh because oh And uh a big thing here is the judge stated judge corally stated uh pretty firmly that they believe there's nothing The fdc can provide that will show this meaningfully creates a monopoly or hurts consumers on the whole Uh judge corally was very thorough in the explanation on why they denied the fdc Are you guys can go read it if you want it's it's a couple pages long Uh, but she was very thorough in basically going point by point through everything the fdc brought up And why none of it really has anything to do with what they're supposed to be doing It's kind of funny if you pay any attention to the case you'll know they very much tried to pit it as playstation versus xbox, which They're supposed to be worried about the consumerism aspect and if it creates a monopoly not so much if it hurts sony a little bit Who's you know in the fdc's own word they called them the market leader Um interestingly enough five minutes after this ruling came down there was the cma backed off a little bit Uh, it's kind of weird because their initial judgment still stands but the cma isn't technically the legal body that can block The deal they just they're like the fdc of of the uk Um, they're trying to get the deal blocked in the uk, which microsoft has already stated publicly They could have the yield go through without the cma's approval Uh, this would mean they can't sell activision blizzard king games in the uk basically Is all that would mean that's how they could circumvent that you might go well if the fdc succeeded Could they just not do it? It's an american company. So like if the fdc won the injunction that it's done All right, so that's sort of the longest short of it. Uh, so the cma is backed off They're actually trying to uh come to an agreement with microsoft So sort of a settlement agreement getting microsoft to see if they can alter any of the possible terms of the deal without It needing to be re-litigated because there's some terms of these deals because it's a legal deal And it's a big purchase that they alter certain terms They would have to re-litigate everything across the whole globe. So like microsoft wants to avoid that Uh, so the cma and microsoft will see what could maybe be done to assuade their concerns Which their concerns for those that remember cma's concerns were entirely about cloud Uh, and i'm not really sure what more microsoft can do because they're they've signed like seven cloud contracts with other companies. I'm i'm not really I'm not really sure what more they can do but That's whatever. Um, that's not really the big part of it. That's just kind of a fun note Uh, but the deal is basically all but done pending if the appeal gets approved Which could basically just delay it another couple weeks Um, but it would still be done by by august at that point Basically the moment appeal case is over, uh, if it's still rules in favor of microsoft the deal would still go through And that's pretty much it Right now at this point assuming the deal is signed and done next week Good news for switch fans as we get call of duty for the next 10 years probably starting next year Finally i've been waiting so long What does this have to do with nintendo on an nintendo that's the only part of this that really has to do with nintendo and Well, and i'm gonna say this while the legal system really knows nothing about video games Judge corally did put in her statement that nintendo switches a direct competitor of playstation 5 and xbox series They completely dismissed the fdc trying to argue the switch does not count this generation They're like none and none and no it very much does And there's a statement she made in the thing where she said you could argue the switch This is the judge by the way said you could argue the switch is better than playstation 5 Because you could take it off your tv and play it in the airport. Yeah, damn. That was great Like you're trying to say it doesn't count because of the power difference Well, guess what this can do that the ps5 can't and it's like oh damn The judge even knows that it's like holy crud the judge knows more about video games than you This is judges aren't supposed to know things about video games. This is weird Anyways, by the way, that's not going to end the fan debate over whether it's this generation or playstation 4 But it was it was kind of funny where they're just saying hey, you can't just say the switch isn't a competitor so And the other thing she put in there and her final statement about how switch is a competitor She didn't just end it at oh that that little mic drop moment. She actually put in the final statement Because it has most of the most popular Games are also on there that are on the other platform. So like the fortnight's the minecrafts Um stuff like that mba2k extenders said well not all of them are there Most of the ones that are really really big that are on the other platforms also are on switch So you can't say it's not a competitor. It was basically her argument Uh, which is pretty much true. Obviously call duty was the one it didn't have And and she also went on to say the fdc failed to um, she actually said Quite the opposite of the fdc's claims The facts of the case find that microsoft's actually providing call duty and other activation games to more consumers Than what it currently serves at the moment So that was kind of a fun point because they were trying to argue that you know consumers would be hurt But how are they hurt when more consumers get access and it was sort of a Catch 22 the fdc never really explained in the case. So anyways, what are your guys's thoughts on all of this? Because i've kind of been dying to talk about this topic because it doesn't really pertain to my channel outside of Hey, we're getting call duty. Hmm. It's pretty wild. It's pretty wild stuff. Uh So I was just reading that I believe the cma Kind of said that any modifications to the current terms will need a new investigation So yeah for there for kind of working on it But they're kind of also trying to delay it Past next week because I believe that if it's not closed next week I think bobby codex said when he was testifying that they're not going to extend it or anything They're just going to take the three billion and walk away at least that's what he said when he was on the stand He was on the stand. Yeah, so Yeah, and that's basically the the game plan is there's both the fdc and cma basically is still kind of Just delay it because they know they're going to lose if eventually it does get litigated This this the fdc's entire appeal is their hail mary This is the hail mary if it's approved before the 18th sweet Maybe we killed the deal unless phil can get and be like hey, it's they're doing it next week like let us go one more Right. Yeah, right. So that that could be like an agreement. Hey, they're not extra. This isn't like extra months It's happening right now the appeals right now Um, or the appeal doesn't come through in time anyways, or it just gets denied like most people Sort of suspect that it will be denied anyways because the fdc is usually denied most of their appeals And this case was very interesting because the judge's finding I mean the appeal court would basically have to look at the facts Glance at the judge's findings and completely 100% disagree with the judge's findings That's pretty rare an appeal court that there's appeals usually work on something that was a very tight decision Or they I believe I believe they brought up to in the fdc fdc statement that the judge's son does work for microsoft But they knew that before They yeah, that would have been something they would have needed to bring up beforehand. Right, right So yeah, I think it's it's just a hail mary to kick the can down the road for like another two weeks really Yeah, and it might it might not even matter. So it's one of those it is a hail mary play We can't dismiss sometimes hail mary's land. That's why it's called the hail mary's every now and then it works uh, but The most most are kind of looking at this as as if you glance at everything And what could the appeal court see in the facts that would make them think that The fdc has anything at this point But again a lot of the certain lawyers the crazy thing is the lawyers are the ones saying that I don't know how an appeals court could could could grant them the appeal because of just how the the mounting evidence and the um Like everything the fdc said was focused on call of duty not being on playstation And they have microsoft and phil spencer on record Over and over and over again saying it's going to be on playstation. It's going to be on the next playstation yada yada yada Right, it seems that they've kind of went the wrong route by choosing The playstation route instead of like saying hey look they have all of this cloud Technology they're going to have all of the games and to go after the cloud. Yeah, right.  It's just the appeal might not matter So the the biggest thing obviously when people look at the cma Microsoft's already made their public statements that if the cma doesn't approve they're gonna go through with any way Which really just means the cma if they don't approve it and microsoft goes through with it Anyways, really just hurting uk consumers by eliminating games from the market Um, which I mean microsoft willing to give up that market which you might go isn't the uk really been working not compared to the united states Like if they have the u.s market, that's that's the breadwinner for them. They're not you know, it's the breadwinner for call of duty Um, and and they'll still have king which is really the okay. That's the money maker king There were 50 billion dollars on their own Like most of this deal is paying for king. Yeah, not call of duty So like and king's massive like the to put this in perspective. Did you guys know that candy crush is a multi-billion dollar esport? Yeah, wait a multi-billion dollar Esport Oh, wow. I don't know the esport. I know Yeah Now It's funny. You'll only see it every now and then on late night cable tv But it's actually all the korean nations. It's so massive there It's unbelievable. I don't I mean I after watching the couple.  I mean you could turn anything that's completing levels of it. You know Who does it's like Like when they when it was like tetris versus I mean they have to just survive long enough That's always a thing. So, um Yeah, no the Aren't microsoft and nintendo pretty buddy buddy So this is pretty this is also kind of a win for nintendo because i'm sure they're gonna get a lot of stuff out of this It's oh a hundred percent. I'm not thinking. Yeah, it all depends like for call of duty. I think So obviously the call of duty deal is pretty pretty easy Uh based on what we know because there's some people that thought oh, wasn't that deal just fake No, no, no the deal that it was a real deal was announced by nintendo and announced by microsoft publicly Uh, all that happened was there was an amendment to the deal before nintendo signed it Uh, because some people were like, oh, yeah call of duty will be there, but it'll be on cloud Mm-hmm Apparently the terms of the contract were local localized versions. So oh, wow, uh, which is which is cool Say It's funny when people so this comes up a lot like oh, here's what it's gonna look like a switch And then they show up some blurry blurry image moving at two fps I don't know if people know that call of duty can run on chrome books that are cheaper than switch Call of duty it The problem is a lot of people that say that only play call of duty on xbox or or playstation They don't realize that it's got a huge audience on pc and it's playable on a potato pc Yeah Now i'm not saying that plays well To be clear Is that 60 fps or anything like that, but for the campaign It's functional enough at 30 fps Um, and by the way, it's funny too when people bring up the switch in this it doesn't it didn't come until 2024 It might not even be on switch It literally could just be on the nintendo's next platform I can't wait to be in the airport playing call of duty with motion controls again Like I was on the wea just held my switch up and it was like Yeah, I can't I can't wait till they make us play on separate servers again because you know It's a 2 op compared to PlayStation Because of the motion controls And the funny thing is that came up with the wii u because they were having cross platform play with wii u And then they realized oh crap everyone we use just using wii modes. We got to stop It's unfair. It's an unfair advantage of black ops. We got to we got to put them on their own server That is crazy. That's like something that is a benefit with motion controls is the first person twitch stuff Well, I mean it's why they don't like pc gamers play with play like it's not fair to use mouse and keyboard against against a controller Um, and that's basically you gave us a mouse pointer The real question is is it motion controls are mouse and keyboard better at first person shooters? Oh, it's crazy too Because if you really want to get hardcore at it and your friends aren't paying attention You can mouse and keyboard call of duty right now on xbox It literally works just people don't think about doing. Oh, I'm just gonna use my controller I'm like, yeah, but if you want to get you if you want to just click to win It's there What is xbox just gonna release like I I feel like at this point the xx box should just be little mini gaming PCs that you just plug everything up to and because I mean It's windows for yeah, exactly and it's already windows You can sell a mini game pc for 400 or 500 bucks and it can run like most games at like 10 60 frames, whatever I would buy that Yeah, everyone would buy that and and then it still has the same like functionality as like a you know a mid-range computer Easy that would that would kill that would play stages would be gone places to be out They'd be back to selling TVs and making fridges Oh, that's pretty that okay, that's pretty bad. I don't know that they'd be gone I mean you can argue that oh nintendo would be gone into my There's a lot of exclusives. That's so no, that's that's a gross exaggeration, but yeah That's that's the nintendo sim coming out that wants wants uh I want to see the world Bleed red no anyways Anyone else got some thoughts on this All right, I mean I can't believe the ftc while I can Would bring that week of a case I mean it just seemed like even the even the judge was like you said was just kind of sitting there dunking on them It's like no no Sorry, they can't be mctumbo. Yeah, no no stopping lines of questions, right? Stop asking about call of duty on playstation. It's been asked and answered after you rephrased it 17 times. It's just I It's just You figure you where's your 20 percent market shift number come from because I don't believe that 20 percent of playstation gamers become xbox gamers because of this Yeah, it's like yeah, that's a pretty stark shift. I don't think that happens when they still have call of duty. I don't really Did you did you do it? What was it? She said oh, so that 20 percent of call of duty when exclusive did you do one of call of duty stays on playstation? No, well then You literally have commitments here under oath It's staying on playstation and you don't have any numbers for you Silly because the pete sony didn't sign it. So no no It's inside the deal So the contract deal just contains one obviously the guaranteed access but it contains the revenue split, right?  It's not leave in playstation That's where most of the money's made on call of duty. They're not It's worth billions of dollars of revenue to Activision was not taking an office sony Microsoft cfo said like this deal has to make money. That's not a deal that they can like lose money Make money right away was not willing to write off 70 billion dollars and say we're good. Have a good day Like we need to make money Oh, man But yeah, it's yeah, it's quite interesting to me. I think what some of my favorite takes are uh, supposed switch fans that are mad and they're mad Because they don't want call of duty tainting our console I find that What I find those takes to be quite That's a weird thing. That is the most You get us not play Is it taint it more than fortnight? I'm confused. Those are the same people who say I don't want fortnight on switch because it taints The console then don't play it.   We we know Let's not become the things that we often rag on when other fans of other systems sometimes get super elite about Our platform. I know dude. We have fun. We're supposed to be the fun platform Everyone loves us. We're Nintendo Also the more games the better like yeah variety of games I don't I don't see what the problem is. We don't Does the switch have a big First-person shooter a big first-person military shooter definitely doesn't have a big military one. There's a couple a couple like sniper elite Couple others but nothing that's really super big military shooter wise. Yeah Um first person overall Overwatch by the biggest one, right? Maybe overwatch or maybe or maybe like to do maternal stuff For first person I mean, obviously we have fortnight and that's actually has a pretty big install base and switch but That's not first person. That's that's third. That's over the shoulder so It's kind of impressive how much I guess because it's just you know, children It's so easy for children Give you wanting for parents to give the children into just it just said for a child to operate a switch as well Like just that you give them the switch light and they just go I mean, it's just like when you used to get a game boy, right? If it had fortnight on game boy imagine Be crazy. I mean, does anyone think even after 10 years? Does anyone think xbox is just going to take call of duty exclusive? So I think the number one argument they brought up is hey, we've had Minecraft for more than 10 years And it's still on everything it would have to shift the console like they would have to be Selling way more than PlayStation order to do that then Yeah, so I would also think call of duty that are call of duty's value tanked so much That like yeah They give you like we'd rather get the extra subs or the a couple extra console sales versus selling on so many Because now it doesn't sell that much which at that point Well, then that just means call of duty finally crashed which uh a lot of people have been waiting for it to crash But it keeps coming back Yeah, and with war zone now. I mean it ain't going anywhere Ain't going anywhere war zone found its way and we'll find its way into that huge battle royale market. So Their call of duty is going to be around a while unless war zone two ends up tanking really bad I think they're launching war zone mobile this year too. So that's going to be massive And and call of duty mobile is really big too for them. Yeah, I think that's the biggest like call of duty mobile All the money made is going to be basically from call of duty king world of warcraft and then diablo mobile like it's They they're This is an acquisition yourself looks as a long term profits, you know Yeah, I feel like microsoft in general is playing the long game in this whole If out of the three, they're playing the long game the smart with the game They're just they're right now. They're consuming and then eventually the game pass is just going to have everything I mean it makes sense like it's it's it's a very Like reasonable deal They're basically gonna I don't know the strategy seems like they're trying to take like a netflix Like a streaming service model with it where it's like we have all the games and you buy access to the library And instead of you buying each and every individual game. I don't long term. I think it's a google stadium. I should have did Yeah, exactly their streaming service the streaming part actually worked How they chose to deliver games was was the mistake should extend the subscription service But yep, it is what it is. They missed out on that They left that open for microsoft, which it's funny because one thing we found out in this case is that microsoft At least the way they are framing they're always going to frame things into their benefit They were sort of framing it like they feel like they're failing in the cloud market Um, and I found their arguments for it quite interesting because the ftc didn't really have a response to it And I feel like that's where the ftc should have hammered them because microsoft's whole point on saying They're failing in the cloud market. Is it cost them more money? Per person streaming than they make and it's like, but yeah, it's a long-term play It's not you're not supposed to make money on it now. Like that's the point you press right tc is like you're you They just admitted they're taking losses, but not killing the service That's what you press that they're willing to lose money In order to dominate the streaming game And they the ftc like microsoft opened the door wide open to it and the ftc did not take the bait and i'm like man You are not this is exactly how the cma got them like they opened the door and the cma said no You're trying to dominate streaming the ftc is like When call of duty is gonna It's only going to be on your service, right? No, we sign deals with all these other companies.  They're doing that one, but Uh, it was it was interesting. Uh, there there's a couple other interesting facts that came out during the case that I thought was just um Just sort of it like the way sony has worded a lot of their contracts over the years because some of that details came out um About preventing games not just being timed exclusives But also sometimes just being you can't even release on xbox in 10 years or you're paying us money Kind of deals. It was kind of some weird uh kind of showing that sony for a long time has been making Uh deals to keep Anti-competitive Yeah, yeah, it's sort of the anti competitive deals, but also they weren't necessarily always buying the companies up Um and microsoft, uh, you know It came up that we found out and through this court case the sec why they bought zenamax Um It's on record now. It's under oath again. They could have reasons to lie. I don't really know About this but apparently apparently the word Um, it's not even the word of the street. This was said in the court case by microsoft That the reason they bought zenamax was because they had heard that playstation was trying to buy exclusivity for starfield and So and microsoft has never won An exclusivity for a game away from sony when sony enters the nagoa Sony just gets it gets the game every time microsoft has never been able to buy it away from sony So they said well what we can do is just buy the company Ha That is such a microsoft play Buy the company now it's ours So like That's kind of funny like oh you're trying to buy the game. Yeah, we'll just buy the company Um, so it's kind of funny how possibly sony continuing to try to block games from xbox might have directly led to xbox Making that purchase in the first place Again, this is under oath, which you would assume that you know under fear of perjury that they wouldn't lie But yeah, no, you know how the legal process goes obviously lies end up out there It's whether or not they ever get caught for it.  Okay, well because sony was going to is it believable that sony might have been trying to go after exclusivity for starfield Yeah, it's perfectly believable because look how many games they do that with all the time. So Anyways, uh, so we'll see what happens Um, I'm pretty confident that I'm going to wake up on the 18th and this deal is going to be done I'm I'm pretty calm. Yeah so I think one of the one of the I guess Better things to come out of this deal is maybe we can save Activision from all of their Yes scandalous Stuff that came out over the last year or so Yeah, oh I brought this up on twitter because everyone's like bitching about acquisitions or like give all these people are I'm just anti acquisition and i'm like, I don't think you understand that they have to sell Yeah, yeah, no their investors told bobby. They have to sell. Well, why did they? Oh, shall we revisit why they have to sell?  Oh and by the way through all of that discovery It came back out that bobby cotton threatened to kill his assistant way back in the day and activation blizzard just straight up said Yeah, we know And it's i'm no this company has problems and is being sued out the ass by the state of california and by the federal government right now And their only way out is to sell and let it be somebody else's problem Which it's not going to end up being somebody else's problem because This is how it's going to work. It's under new leadership. It didn't happen under us They're going to pass it all off to bobby and everyone else the deal with and that's what people kind of Like bobby cotton is going to get a massive payday when the deal goes through he always was one of the majority shareholders So he obviously was going to get a huge payday anyways But the thing is is that doesn't mean that he just gets right off into the sunset A lot of these lawsuits are still going to fall at his lap Um, and he's so he's going to have to go through all that now because he's super rich I mean he might just go live on a private island and just get a slap on the wrist. I have no idea How the stuff goes but because he's going to try to pass off blame to the directors and the other people running differently I I'm protected. I'm at the top. I didn't know it never made it to me As you're shredding documents. Yeah, they got called shredding documents as well By the way after he lied to the public that nothing happened. So like it's been really bad Like this isn't one of those things where it was as I said on twitter This isn't one of those things where they were accused of something and we haven't seen evidence They didn't even present it to the public until they already had the evidence They had the smoking guns and they showed the whole world and it's like Shit California was getting info for a while on on them. Yeah, they were working on the case for like three years before they made it public And it's like damn they they had everything Like there's just nothing they could do to deny this actually happened So they had emails. They had text messages Um, they had witnesses Like they had they had just the holes with the Cosby's they had everything All the sexual harassment that was going they had all of it Including what led to the unfortunate Uh, suicide of the one employee which which is very sad Very and a big abuse of power that led to that just Oh man, so yeah, they're in huge trouble And I and I brought it back up on twitter because I think people don't realize what this is really about This really isn't about microsoft versus playstation It's just about activision was an evil damn company Doing some super shady shit hurting people and actually leading to someone dying. That's what this is about So if microsoft isn't approved they'll sell to somebody else. It'll be 10 cent. It'll be apple. It'll be google It'll be the saudi arabia oil company like amazon Like yeah amazon and here's the thing you think about all those options How many of them sound like they might maintain the status quo is amazon really going to maintain the status quo They can't even get a game to launch Like Is anyone you want apple getting their hands on it because they definitely don't want anything on anything but apple Like that. They would they would exclusive that market share big. Oh, yeah I'm like in 10 cent. Oh, they might try to maintain the status quo. I suppose also that means like not fixing the company and leaving the right I feel like microsoft Maintain or would be able to give them the best like reset in terms of this one because they have such a Already well embedded corporate structure and then to yeah and their controversies with the similar stuff They they actually went through they didn't have someone die by the way. That's very like That that's a unique situation activation blizzard that that happened, but Microsoft had a lot of these problems under bill gates That's so long ago and they've restructured so much and they have so many females like there's even a new Head of gaming that's going to be coming up next year. That's a female like they clearly have the structure in place Where it feels like they would take this quite seriously like they would clean house Try to keep the talented developers, but clean house of the actual problems Yeah, and have the resources to maintain call of duty overwatch whatever Hey, I feel bad so bad for the overwatch community because I that's probably like half of the reason why the game is Just completely not in a good state of play right now. I just remember the number one thing they advertise Yeah, oh my gosh. I remember watching the interview and they're they're like working from home and like I mean other than working for home is bad But it's just like you could just kind of the vibe that they gave off was like It felt like their studio had regressed into the small team that is like barely keeping the game alive And I was like dang and that's so unfortunate because like, you know, I may be a valorant head But it's I hate to see a cool game with a huge community like that fail Yeah, and you hope that maybe with this merger now that maybe Microsoft can actually pour a little bit more money into it And bring that team back up to a point where they can actually fulfill that promise And get that to a point where The game the devs wanted it to be You know exactly and other was some hope from some that if Microsoft bought them Maybe they start caring a bit more about some of the other ip's they have Because they have all these other developers So like, you know, maybe putting more time into crash or Spyro That'd be cool Or other freeing toys from Bob did not have to help out at all with Call of Duty anymore Just letting them work on stuff like that Because Microsoft would have the money and obviously a ton of talented development people under them I mean just considering all the people they got from Xenomax as well That they could find a way to make all this stuff work. But the biggest bugaboo about that is They've already made a lot of acquisitions and we haven't seen a lot of fruit out of those acquisitions yet now Of course, as we've learned many many times over and we just saw this as nintendo fans Which here's the kingdom heck you can say we saw a mario We're getting our first and brand new all new mario game since 2017 as well And it's not even a 3d mario We're waiting even longer for that next one of those As that development of triple a games takes forever So just because they bought the studio four years ago, you had the game from them still might not come out for eight Like it's it takes forever to make these games the few that we have seen like redfall Yeah, I kind of fell on its face under delivered didn't quite do what they promised But people quite forget they have other ones high-five rush That one actually hit that wouldn't do good Microsoft flight simulator Pulled it off great game now. They have another one coming Um, they also did it with cycle knots too. People forget they bought that developer too and that game was really incredible on that with that predated Xbox series so like they've Is it they've they've shown that they can get some of the games out. They just haven't shown The consistent release slate that people are still looking for, you know last year Was nothing but the halo infinite campaign That's a rough. That's a rough one That's rough. That's all you got for a year exclusively. I could But now they have starfield this year is that gonna hit we hope Look Bethesda has always been super ambitious, but also fallout 76 so I just feel like star I hope starfield is like what tears of the kingdom is but like sci-fi The next guy room like that just that it just lasts forever and people are playing it for forever I mean People are there's rumors that it's gonna be like no My friends call this this is a little coca this and they call it no man's lie But no man's sky is is good now like they've added a lot It's like sea of thieves. It came out. They were like it wasn't really that great But then once they finally added all the end game content. Yeah, exactly So hopefully it won't be like that and they could have it or even if it is like that They can still kind of build on it and make it better Um, I don't know. We'll see um Because you know that space western would be so fun to play I watched that starfield gameplay. They did it.  Is that the one the ubisoft one? I think so. Yeah. Yeah, that one looked incredible Gotta see it come out though. Ubisoft got this thing where their games look really incredible, but then they don't always deliver Uh, but we'll see. Yeah, especially. Yeah, ubisoft makes me nervous. By the way Um Since ubisoft came up and we didn't talk about this because it's not necessarily Switch related. We don't know where the game is going. Uh, the creative director did pass away for we are good people too Oh, like I like the age of 48. So oh gosh Um, you just just want to put put a shout out out there to uh, that created I no one knows any idea. I mean creative director is a really big position in game development. So um, yeah You can sort of maybe understand why beyond Good evil two doesn't come out because this who knows how the person was struggling with stuff, but Um, just wanted to put that out there because that is a story that was out there that we didn't cover Because we don't know if it's coming to switch but it is I probably would come to switch anyways the next system at this point, but um Yeah, I just wanted to make sure we we we mentioned that loss in the industry For sure.  I wanted you to continue your thought if you had any more on that. I just oh, yeah equip little whatever I mean, I was just gonna say, um Starfield honestly made me kind of want to get an xbox like it put it put me on the radar To start saving and consider buying an xbox, which is something I would not have done I mean That was the one I was gonna get But I feel like at this point I need to just get this I mean, it's gonna be better on x obviously because well, I have to have a disc drive Because I have a ton of blu-rays and my xbox right now doubles as a blu-ray player Okay, yeah, then you gotta get the x so I gotta get the x just frustrating that there's no in between But It is what it is There is it's the black edition as you say your hard drive I think the s was 200 for prime day, I believe it was Five an xbox series memory cards were Super cheap for a bit and when I say PlayStation I understand that are m.2 drives with the approved m.2 drives replace station five Um, we're really low the last two days on Amazon. So um All right, let's uh move Somebody had brought up the wiki thing before we started. I don't remember who it was but That was fusion. Yeah, let's use it. Let him go. You wanted to be interesting to round out this topic FTC, let's go. So somebody hacked the fdc's wiki page and Changed their flag to the PlayStation look go before the podcast That's pretty good Yeah fusion you brought that up before the podcast I'm like we have to get that in there at least No, that was pretty good It's very fitting too because we have this risky gulmar guy in the chat He's always like talking down on on uh on nintendo talking to a graphics because of an earlier He said oh the fgc appealed you to change your title sony's gonna win this and it's like you're just kind of proving the point that that yep All right, baby. Yes, sony party, right? Um, let's get into this Next topic a bit more of a fun one Although a little concerned because none of us mentioned actually playing it. Uh, mary card eight So I'm saving us for saturday. I've I've seen it. I've been seeing people playing it But I have a group like the co-op thing. I was telling you about last podcast. That's for saturday So sure I'll get to it, but I have not yet gotten to it, but it looks it looks great Yeah, we got eight new tracks Cool. We got some new characters um Part of this we can we can speculate on because obviously it deals with the future wave, but Has anybody even like downloaded it? I hold the game so I know you don't I played it right before the podcast because I still had on the notes and I was like, oh I should probably play it I was gonna play it too and instead I ate dinner Oh, that's funny. The tracks are good. I I really enjoyed all of them But I also am not like I'm not well versed enough to be like, oh, yeah, that one is my favorite because I've just played them all once I also I'll be honest. I'm not super invested in them adding new characters because I have my one character that I use and I don't Change from that and most people who play mario kart Don't I think adding more characters is for like The younger kids who play who are like, oh, I want to play as this character today or this character today who don't really have like Oh, yeah, this is my mario kart loadout Regardless of whether I'm playing online or by myself or whatever So characters are cool for for the people who want them Yeah, yeah, no, the only thing I would say about that one would be You know if I'm playing somebody just because my favorite character is not in there and all of a sudden then they add my favorite character In that case then yes, I would probably switch But I agree with you. You normally you're set with the one character and you just kind of go at least that's me too I mean so Yeah, the the new character additions are neat, but also not something that I'm still playing with link It is what it is, right? Like I But it is cool. Um Apparently apparently no surprise when people are playing a lot of people playing the new characters Well, of course they are because they're new and they're just trying them out and Um, want to be different but then when you go in and it's link versus, you know, 11 come acts, um, you know What do you Do that very much variety there. It's the way it goes when they add new characters That's the way it was back in the day two and they added the original dlc By the way, this is the second dlc they've added because mario kart 8 had dlc back on we you Uh, and that's when they got link and I remember when when he got added everyone played his link So yeah, that's just how it goes Look, uh, I haven't played them yet. So I can't comment that much on them I my comments are pretty much the same as what I had when we talked about a couple weeks ago Dude, it looks great. I'm really glad they're adding it Obviously for those of us that don't play tour the tour tracks feel just like brand new tracks like anything else Uh, and obviously that bathroom one they did looks sick. I can't wait like that one that one looks like a lot of fun It is really fun. And I I enjoy the tour tracks, but I feel like I don't know there's something off about them like you can tell they're shortly different. Okay. Yeah, I feel like they were designed by somebody else Yeah Right, I mean that's the thing is designed for phones first, you know kind of thing Um, whereas I feel like because even though that bathroom track Um, all the new tracks by the way do come to tour. So like when we got that new track before it also came to tour Uh, but the thing is I feel like the ones that come to eight first through the dlc They feel like they're designed for eight and then just ported the tour Uh, because the tour tracks are neat because they're because they are different They do play different than the other tracks. So it is a nice mix up at times Especially with like the tracks that are every time we go a new lap. It's completely different course almost That's kind of neat But you could definitely tell they also feel shorter and this and it just kind of feels like it's built for phones because it was And I like that when they're adding the brand new tracks They feel like they're actually built for eight and then just ported over which to me is pretty cool And I'm sure that also makes tour fans happy too. They get new courses coming out of this dlc as well So that's good for them. Um, I mean, there's a lot of people that like tour I I've actually seen a couple people out in public playing mario kart tour now. I go First time I've really seen anyone actually play tour. It's all right. I've chatted a little bit And well, it's just like anything. What are mobile games best for, you know, short burst game session? Well, hey You know, I got this mario kart itch. I don't know my switch Grab two or quick and just do a quick race like that I wish they would have taken the costumes for each character and put those as dlc like they have a tour Like they have eight bit donkey kong. They have uh Mario maker. They got a lot of costumes. There's a lot of customs. Yeah Yeah, they don't have an eight. Yeah But I like it's not like I can sit here and complain with the eight No, well at the end of this we're gonna have Uh 96 courses Yes, I mean, what is it four way basically four or five games in one? I mean, uh, well if we go off the original mario kart, it's like seven. Yeah, right This is I can't complain. It's literally like the smash ultimate of mario kart. I don't even know You can't say they haven't supported this game Well, you know when it sells to oh, I know I over half of the entire install base of switch Yeah, that's wild to me. It wasn't even made for switch. By the way, right? Yeah Guys, it's a part. Yeah, they just keep they just keep making money. It's it's they're milking that cow and it's still It's still giving it to them But yeah, it looks it looks a lot of play at the sum of it should athens that yeah athens dash with the one Coming from a tour that I was most excited to try out. So chances are after the cast I'll probably I'll probably get a few rounds in and then we'll probably uh do a tournament at some point guys once they get Added to the tournament mode. They're always a little bit delayed getting added the new cups to the tournament mode. So Um, but yeah, it's it's gonna be dude. It's it's fun, man Mario course just fun. I don't know what it is. Like I'm honestly surprised We're at this point and Eric hasn't bought mario kart and not just because you've had reasons to because of my work But also because you legitimately love mario kart But yeah, I will say this Technically despite the dlc.  That's right. We played it a lot We put like we might put a thousand hours in We unlocked everything. Yeah, thousand hours. Wow. Yeah, we unlocked everything back on we you on this game And then the dlc came out and we did it again And I mean we I mean we were trying to what whatever the fight it was a five star or everything Yeah, we were doing all the time Everything you legitimately and we don't do that for many games But like we wanted everything in a lot from all the records it was it's a I think it's it's like the definitive version of mario kart this or I would say double dash maybe just because it's my nostalgia goggles talking but this one is I feel like It's as definitive as you get and I really don't know how I saw us trending on twitter earlier Mario Kart 9 just because people are always, you know, something new comes out. They're always like, oh, what's next what's that? You know, well, we're also kind of hitting the end of this too. Like yeah, it's a thing You know, we have one more wave and we can make some predictions of what's going to be in that wave I know there's some leaks out there about it, but It's interesting because obviously there's a lot of a lot of other courses We can talk from two or a courses from other mario kart games come back um I One one thing is like I think there's only like one slot for a new character. Is it two slots? I can't remember left. That's yeah. Yeah, so there'll be two new characters. I don't know who they're gonna be I hope they're like completely new like Out of left field new. That's what I hope. I don't know what that what that means short hair zelda There you go Go with link like that's what they did in the last dlc is the the character Waselda with costumes short hair and long hair Ganondorf Oh, I Ganondorf in there the fully ripped Ganondorf that'd be sick have him pounding people like DK does with the tiniest little with the tiniest little bite you can find That would be hilarious um Does anyone here think that they're gonna pull a smash bros and announce like booster course Pass volume two and do another six spread over two years I feel like at this point they just need to do super smash kart to be real So I had I had this thing right It sells incredible and and what what mario kart 8 I think has become at this point You could argue it's sort of become like a fortnight like a never-ending game Um, and when you keep adding content, that's what happens It just literally becomes this never-ending experience And is it something where they want to stop at eight and just keep updating eight forever? or Do they think they can drive more excitement if they drop a nine that happens to have Say it has 48 courses at launch and they already announced dlc for it Obviously, maybe multiple packs So say say it's going to get to 96 But then they're also going to do another 48 on top of that So it's going to get like eight to 10 years of supportive new content But then in that initial 48 half the tracks are brand new That's really exciting all at once and I kept thinking like where can you go from eight? Like the mario kart brand's so big. I don't know that they could rebrand it But it does kind of feel like the next step is just full-on nintendo kart Yeah Like that's how you expand that's how you do like smash kart like Flam said Yeah, well like I feel like they still call it mario kart because it's a brand name. It's too big Like they've got us to call it mario kart right now. They've already got splatoon zelda and animal crossing Yeah, yeah, which by the way they added all that on the wii. They're not mario kart No, they're not I could see them from throwing in Samus or any of the other like fire emblem characters. Yeah, dude metro prime four comes out drop that samus playable character Yeah, that'd be amazing put ridley in there imagine like I can imagine if they don't go the Smash bros route or they include like everybody I could maybe see just like a Here's mario kart Ultimate or mario kart unit. I'd be like they get yeah I want to go away from numbers like like they say just like yeah, because nine's always a gross number mario party nine And people will be like is it is it really nine because we had two or we also had mario kart home Circuit exactly so I could definitely see them doing something where it's just like mario kart Everything and then it's they do the smash ultimate rather way say every card and everything it's been in every other game is here All your favorite franchises. Yeah, exactly Or even if they just include the stuff in tour like people would flip out because yeah, exactly There's so much stuff in tour. It'd be super easy to do that Yeah, you could you could yeah, if you just integrate all that and even out not even including the other franchises I mean if you always only will work or they do obviously more characters more this more skins more race courses But there's a lot more there's still more they could do one new item ideas There's always room for new item items like bring back old items. Yeah Bring back bring that modes that maybe like a double dash mode Like it's just a mode in the game where you can have the double character thing. Oh my god I would it's not like the full game, but it's a mode.  Oh, yeah, that's all the racing games. Why not this one? They did that in ds. Well, they yeah kind of You could do your little logo that was it. Yeah, yeah If I kind of one thing in a new Mario Kart game, I want more stuff to unlock because I've gotten to the point. I have like 10,000 coins collected and I have nothing to unlock Want to be fair it's because this game came out in like what 2014 2013 Spin those coins instead of being like, oh you cross the whatever coin threshold How you can have like a rotating shop and have you like oh spend your coins here Like yeah, that's why I said like customizing cards could always be like hey, it costs coins to yeah Every time you want to customize a vehicle or something Yeah, and you just collect and it's tied to profiles So then like if you're on the right profile that you get that color for another friend's of his profile against his colors It seems to work really well for Splatoon. That's how they do it They got that rotating item shop and you can go in which then also incentivize you to play more So you can see the shop when it refreshes. Yeah on nintendo It's right this What if they have what if they have global tournaments going on What if they have a rotating global tournament going on all the time like a splatfest? Yeah, that would be and they mix up a different collection of tracks every time They kind of do that ish Like at the I don't know if you go to like or yeah, you may even yeah, you were at packs like they do the Like the it's it's not as much online. They they started out online like the the tournament mode that they do to get people up The qualifiers and stuff. It's not like a ongoing though. It's not like a splatfest.  What if there was like special race tracks only available? You have tracks rotating season. Yeah Oh Take it out seasons I don't want to season pass but you can There's so many good ideas that they can still do that So I'm saying like mario kart 8 is amazing and just thinking of how much further they could still go if they actually brought on a new one I got it. I got it. So the next one's gonna be called mario kart infinite Here we go. Yeah, I just gonna keep going with it. Yeah, never ends never ends What would actually be really cool is if you could you know, um, I mean all the tracks all the characters whatever But like let's say like the new track that just released you can choose whether you want to play it in Super supers, uh, there's snes mode 64 mode. Oh Change the graphical styles Of each course depending on like where you want to play and then your character ends up kind of in that Graphical style too. We're all the characters end up in that graphical style As you're racing around as a flat link. That'd be sweet The old snest days That'd be difficult to walk where because it's like you have to design the courses for every single every single Yeah, and like the different versions of the game have such different like like especially from like double dash to Oh my god, double dash is such a distinct feel to you. Oh, yeah That's uh, I said double dash needs to be like it's on mode Yeah, sort of separate but but like I see what you're saying But the courses that like carry over into like, you know that have gone into different versions of the thing All you'd have to do is just say you play that course I mean So if you choose rainbow road from snes or you choose rainbow road from the gamecube, you know You played that version of the Of the course. I mean that that's already solves it there But like the courses that aren't in all the other ones It just kind of changes the graphical It doesn't change the course of all just changes the graphics behind it to match that That uh There's so many things you want. There's so many things I could do This is super nitpicky, but the only caveat to that would be like I don't know. I don't want to see things in gross in 64 polygons Then don't choose to play it don't choose to play it that way No, but like there's so many things they could do With mario kart. I I don't think eight's the end I think there'll be there'll be something that they'll go away from numbers And I could see them going with something that's meant to be like a 10 20 year game Which is always updated and stuff because it mario kart is so big Yeah, it's it's probably the single biggest ip they have at this point. I still have those like nothing sells like this so It'll be interesting It'll be interesting to see what they do next. Um, I mean a lot of people are curious to smash as well Like there's some assumptions that smash ultimate. It's just going to be ported over To a new generation with maybe another fighter pass and sure. Maybe that's what they do Uh, but at some point they're going to attempt a new smash.  I think it's Bro, I don't know what oh god. What's like think about this like mario kart eight deluxe at this point After this dlc is basically the definitive mario kart game like it. There's so much content We got the we have the definitive mario kart and the definitive smash on switch. So where do you go from here? We argue we have the definitive reboot Some zelda story base you can always go To the reboot point it would be sick if they brought because there's such a huge scene for melee if they just Ported melee over that'd be so sick and because they didn't have its own online And it would solve so many issues with like them and the melee have an s o and they always has online Just give us the game It seems like with game games the trend is not get putting it in s o and doing ports. So at this point next system The game is a classic at that point. I think nintendo would rather Have classes over before they acknowledge melee exists anymore So one other thing that I'd like to see from from that too would be more battle modes Sure Nobody talks about that anymore. Yeah, I will say this My kids play a lot of the mario kart 8 deluxe battle modes And there's actually a lot of people playing them online. So like it's got it's got an audience the one they have They just need more The more of them and they have like different modes in this one a little like I don't know if you guys play like there's ones where you're capturing opponents and putting them in jail Uh, there's also the balloon one. So like they've already sort of added multiple to mario kart 8 deluxe It's just you do more that there's so many more you could go like where's our capture the flag man Like that would be sick. You have teams and you're capturing the foot. That would be sick So like I there's like just so many modes they could do with it And you don't you think as we're talking about all this they might have been developing this game this entire time Like this could be in development for like eight ten years at this point since since mario kart 8 came out like For all we know they're about uh I do wonder if the dlc changing the only thing I could think the dlc changes like all right when we drop the next one It's got to be a bang out the gate Maybe they just bang out the gate with 96 courses, which I don't even I feel like that's the only you do Is that one much? You know what said is that once but then again, how does it work? Everything's not available once you got to unlock it So then It might not feel as overwhelming since you do have to work your way up till I unlock all the courses so Isn't that how it is in the Base game when that's been so long since I played A mode I liked again back to double dash, but I love the the bomb the bomb version and double dash That was so it's so chaotic I don't know how you would replicate that because I think it's something refused to bring f0 back The death wheel just put it in there. Yeah, that'd be cool. Yes. That would be sick. Yes I want to go back air ride stuff. I think it was fusion like mentioned in passing, but like a battle royale Let me yes That'd be that'd be fun. Not necessarily battle royale, but more of like I can't remember. There's another racing game I played I think it was forza where You have like your 12 players and then there's no number of laps, but there's a timer and as the timer runs out That's just elimination And then eventually whoever's left at the end they win. I think that'll be really fun A battle mode it doesn't even have to be a main mode. I think that'll be really fun Yeah, I can you guys play super mario 35 online Yeah, it's something like that if we're you like kind of what nick said where everybody's racing against the time The lowest timers get dropped until the the last person wins really something like that That was so fun I'll get you good at speed. I'm so you're like bringing up bad memories of them Oh anniversary's over. Goodbye game like not what I I love to still play that game. Come on. What are you? It was one of the value ads the nso Yeah, that was a game. What are we doing? It was so fun. They made it a temporary thing but Gotta get that FOMO FOMO for what it was free What would be Look yuck you pulled it with 3d all stars great Ended up being kind of dumb because it was still available physically for like years but but What what are you doing it with a free game? We literally have no other way to play it. What are you doing? Uh Whatever They should have been rotating art styles like every month like super mario 35 in super mario world style Yeah, that's what my brother's free the next month You can't tell me they can't do it because they take it away forever All those different graphical styles like in the mario maker games like it could have put they cut it I'm gonna i'm gonna leave it at that because i'm really salty over mario 35 Like very salty like it was I liked it as a mario fan. I liked it more than like the touchers 99 stuff because i'm like this is sweet Because they were what it reminded me of As an old school gamer I remember the og nintendo world championship tournaments where they were racing mario. Yeah And that's what it reminded me of was the og nintendo world championships where you're racing with mario I'm like this is sick Anyways pretty salty Is there anything else that we guys want to touch on today? The topic three is just literally anything else we want to talk about I I have a story for everybody a very tragic story um So I went on travel personal travel went to the pokemon to the pokemon ne I see correct So on the way home playing your switch, right? I'm on the plane I get off the plane and then I I take the I live in the dc area. So I take the metro home um I get home And I think about two days after the fact because I was still unpacking my room was a mess um missing a nintendo switch in my bags it is Gone I have no clue where it is I have contacted The airline the airport the metro lost and found Someone could have It's my my theory right now Someone pickpocket at it Or it fell out of my bag on the metro because I had like three different bags on me and it was I was kind of juggling at all um but Lesson learned and some tips for you all if you ever do lose your nintendo switch do all the things I just described But also you can call nintendo and they will like completely deactivate it for you like they'll just like Like they're not wipe it but they like make it not your primary console And they say if if you have like credit card information on there and you're afraid they'll like they'll wipe the credit card information off of it They can't like spoof it and figure out its location, but they uh Yeah, so you can call nintendo and they'll do do their best to do whatever but yeah So, uh, I had to buy not only that I had to buy a brand new tears the kingdom edition Which actually these are pretty easy to find I was really I was pleasantly surprised that this was pretty easy to get again And so far I've been all my data and stuff it takes like forever to download it all back onto a new switch But for the most part all my stuff was saved. I I picked up right back up with pikmin 2 where I was at Um, I put an apple air tag in the in the carrying case now So if I do lose it, I will know where it is and anytime my phone leaves home now I get a notification you left your nintendo switch behind. I'm like, okay cool. I'm glad that's working still um, but Yeah, so I have an extra set of like zelda doc and everything else, but that was Yeah, that was a really unfortunate. That's the first time I've lost something that big in a long time and Man, did it feel bad?  Like did you have a ton of cartridges? Are you so yeah? I didn't so thankfully I keep I kept those separate from the case. I keep them in this little Actually, let me give me a second. I want to show you guys because it's actually really cool what I keep them in It's right here. So I keep them in this It's a little pokedex and you open it up That is really cool. So I only lost the game that was in the switch itself Which was pokemon legends arceus. So not a huge loss. I can get another one of those I think there was 40 bucks the other day. So Um, I can grab another one if I really need to but I haven't had the hankering to play arceus But yeah, luckily I kept this kind of I keep this separate from my dock bag thing So but anyways, yeah That one that one I I'm big I'm kind of both. It's like if I like the game a lot I'll get it physical if if it's if I'm just kind of like, yeah, I don't really care I'll just download it then I'll just download it. That's what I did with uh pigment the two pigment games I was like, I'm not gonna wait half a year to To get the physical copies. I mean I might but I I don't care about pigment enough to buy both digital and physical So I was like, I'll just get the visual But yeah Keep track of your stuff gamers. Don't don't lose a $350 console like I did like this. This is my Fourth switch I've bought now I bought technically fifth because I bought my previous girlfriend one But I bought the launch day one which is behind me with the pool Of things I got the first OLED and I bought the girlfriend that I bought The first one of this and then now this one I don't want to talk about how many switches I bought Yeah Um fuel those numbers, baby Look in my possession in my house right at this second there are Just in my office alone Four once Eric's five, but that doesn't count. Uh, so there are four switches Three of them OLEDs um But then yulia's got my uh my gen two switch and then Melody's got a gen two switch my daughter and my two sons have switched lights So like if you do the math, that's a lot of switches just in my house Then you count prior switches. I've already given away And now you might go, why do you have three OLEDs in your office? Two of them are giveaway prizes. They're already given away. I just have to ship them, but they're still here I still bought them. I still paid for them. So it's like I have bought a lot of switches um It is insane This I'll just throw it out there. I threw this out there a while ago. I haven't said in a lot of time I think switch is my favorite platform of all time It's for sure And then I've had some close ones with uh With uh, like I really enjoyed xbox 360 that era that era was great. Yeah um You know ps2 was obviously really really awesome. Uh, but I think a console tier list right now. Let's just do it console That's that's intense Nintendo switch Yeah As tier everything else is f tier. Yes. I just got out of here GameCube is only high because I should god if they just brought it back game I really the button layout on the game controller just makes so much sense to me, but yeah Yeah, there's the extra shoulder button. It's a perfect controller. Yeah, exactly. Just give it another I mean, I guess you could argue instead of a c-stick. It could just be a normal joystick, but Whatever if everyone used it like a normal on anyway I'm so nostalgic for the 3ds like that was that was my first nintendo System that I ever bought for myself Even though I say bought for myself my mom paid for half of it because I was like 10 um but I do It's hard because I want to say the switch is my favorite, but then I have so much nostalgia For the 3ds, but I can acknowledge that objectively. I think the switch Takes the cake. It's not it's not that much of a competition Yeah, like snas was like really big for me Um lots of nostalgia there all the third party all the first party. It was great Uh, but man a I don't I'm like I don't think I what was the moment that I realized a switch Was my favorite I was like, yeah, I had all these great games. It's had these great games for a while And I think it was probably around time metroid drag came out And it just kind of hit me That I am playing more games And spending more time playing games on this than I have since I was a kid And when I think about those old games as much as I love them I do technically Own more games on switch than any platform. I've ever owned in my life And there's a reason for that all the games have been played You have money to buy games No, I had more disposable income before I had children I will Like straight up had way more when I'm paying $200 rent And that includes electricity that included electricity So like I had next to no bills, but I I was The problem is a lot of times I was just spending the money on having a social life instead of I was going back to your childhood days Hey, no, no, no, because here's the thing. You would say that game rentals were a huge thing back then I played a lot of games through game rentals Uh, but no, I I legitimately look at it and I just go, you know I like My favorite Mario game it's on switch my two favorites all the games are on switch Some of my favorite games from the past. They're also on switch. I see ms. Oh Um, you know, like my favorite smash game. It's smash rolls ultimate my favorite mario cream. It's mario gaudi deluxe Oh, like my favorite animal crossing Um because of the terraforming it's animal crossing new horizons for me Other things I want back from the other ones. Yes, but the terraforming is that good. I love it Um, like all of my favorite versions of games are almost exclusively on switch And then even when I go like metroid You know, I really love metroid dreaded. It might be my favorite side scrolling metroid game Oh, well, what's my favorite uh, non-science going much for me metroid prime one Oh, what do we have on the system metroid primary master?  I'm like, no, it's just legitimately better I don't know what you want me to do like I can't I go back and play the other ones and I'm like, nope. It's just not as good I don't know you want me to do like I I just came to this realization at one point that like when I'm starting to say all my favorite games in a franchise are on this platform Or at least available to play on this platform in some form Then I what do you say like we are in a unique situation where this platform has more games on it than other ones Thanks to things like nso where you are getting that mix from the past They're also you have genesis games on a nintendo platform folks So the second one we got we got genesis on a nintendo platform I'm I just yeah, that's crazy like that was that was wild when they announced that I was I was floored. I was like really I was like man, the console the old console wars or You'd be imagine showing it somebody in like the 90s of they'd be like what that's crazy. What you're playing sonic on Dude, we have lots of sonic on a nintendo We have lots of sonic and mario even play nice and have an olympic game I must say it might as well be a nintendo property at this point Like I know sega's still technically separate which by the way Can we talk about the this I know this is like totally off-topic from what we just saw but the I would say sega's killed it recently minus frontier They got this the murder of sonic the hedgehog and then this new game that it's coming up Looks awesome. I don't know if you guys played murder the murder of sonic the hedgehog. It's like a it's one of those like story Uh visual novels. I don't know if you like those kind of things. It's fun. It's also free on steam. So like You know, you can only it's free. The only thing you're wasting is time at that point But it's very creative and it feels like sega recently is just leaning into like the sonic fandoms like once and wishes like even frontier was like It wasn't amazing, but it was still like It was still I don't know it had fun moments and it was yeah a lot of people Yeah, I found that a lot of people I mean I play sonic frontier and my big takeaway was I like the direction Needs more refinement. I'm excited for if they do another one. Correct. I think that's I think that's exactly where I'm at with it it's a good Demo slash.  It's just not all the way there proof of Just not all the way that's the word I'm looking for. Thank you proof of concept, but not necessarily a full game That's how I feel about rc. We kind of content. It's just I don't know I keep me like I don't it just needs refinement. I don't know what way the boss fights are great. Love it The worlds like the variety cool. Well, like it's just something. I just need a little refinement I'm not really I can't quite place it Some people just say it's a lack of content. I'm like, I don't know if it's a lack of content Like you got to go fast or can't be something to stop me every, you know, half second But I don't know. Yeah, there's some I don't I don't know how to like people go. How would you fix it? I don't know I honestly not my job to come up with it Just something feels off and I don't know what it is, but I do like the direction And I could tell that I don't know what they needs, but It's not that far off from being something that I would highly recommend I just don't know what what that something is But yeah Hey, it's not super stars too. Hey, it looks good. That's fantastic. I mean, it's like classic sound style. Of course it looks good um Man, I don't know man. This is just like an amazing generation for me. So I I Shame it's it feels like it's like about to come to the end which is again Why I think it's going to be the switch to I saw someone Had something in the chat. Yeah. Yeah, we got a transition to the back to this again Because I think there might be some updates small things. I can't remember um That switch to I think is going to be more of like akin to the new 3ds where it's like It's new but it's still Switch if that makes sense. I don't know. That's my gamble at least. That's what I think it would be I don't think it's going to be anything like It's not going to be like Oh, it's a game jump from like n64 gamecube or gamecube to we you know anything like that Nintendo switch wonder Oh, here we go. There we go 4chan 4chan It's let's go. That was funny Yeah Yeah, I'm just like I'm like look look look if this had come up before mario wonder was announced I might be like maybe that still is not right. They don't name a game in a system the same, but I mean Hey, at least you wouldn't have known the name of the mario game if it. Yeah. Yeah, I was saying it's before Yeah, they did it before but then announced mario wonder I still would go like I'll just be it's fake because they just got a lucky guess on a name But then again Well, no, maybe it wasn't a lucky guess Maybe what they meant by being in terms of wonder was just that it launches with mario wonder No, no, no, no, they mistyped it. It's actually wonder Yeah, I can't even believe that got posted over on the gaming leagues reddit Really somebody thought that was worth posting before jam on the What they're actually getting it confused for is a nintendo switch OLED edition mario wonder Yeah, yeah, that's probably what's gonna be you like a mario one. I mean, they'll do it They gotta tell something if they don't announce a new console although I do love That all the stuff that's coming out now Just keeps pointing to 2023 announcement and I'm There was announced this year it still will come out next year. Yeah, I know I still win though We got something in 2023 Yeah, it's announcement not necessarily the release Yeah, that the nicky person is saying that they mean it'll be announced this year, but I find it's interesting Um, we talked briefly. I think last podcast how they could maybe get away with that by like Downing the price to switch this holiday or something and maybe help them get away with an announcement this year But release it early next year There's also that as the person brought up and super chatted in a report out of taiwan That it's coming first quarter of next year. Of course, there's no clarification if it's first fiscal quarter or first yearly quarter But for you can for a first half of next year and that they're pretty accurate in the past People point to the switch thing. The funny thing is with the switch thing. They said in march of 2016 that it was coming out holiday Uh 2016 and it didn't come out holiday 2016 came out quarter one of 2017 So technically they were off by a quarter But still I mean that's pretty close and it probably at that point Maybe it was planned to be a holiday Like you can see you can see a world where they canceled we you and at one point thought they might launch it that year And then pivoted to the next classic for you know, holiday thing and pushing it out a few months Was the taiwan one the case manufacturer that was estimating it coming out? Yes, I'm like that. I think yeah Yeah, and they're pretty accurate because the reason the reason that they are pretty accurate is because of their information comes from the actual manufacturing plants so Because nintendo does manufacturer parts in taiwan and china for their components and stuff so Yeah, that so those tend to be a bit more accurate with reports and so whenever you see bloomberg say something like oh You know according to our contacts at foxconn. Oh, yeah, well part. That's a huge one that nintendo uses so um, usually pretty accurate and and that that seems to be inferred right now that whatever whatever is coming next is entering mass production like this month uh, which What does that mean? I don't know because I don't know how long they mass produce before releasing systems So I don't know what that means My gamble is september direct september direct. It's we're getting that they're gonna drop it on us. I swear That's that's my that's my they announce it That's the first time they've done it in a direct. I don't think they've ever announced or like It would be its own like oh like its own event. Yeah, yeah, it would be it's like a september event Hardware direct. Yeah, exactly. Okay, or it would be a direct of the switch Or it would probably be like 20 minutes long or something like that And they just say this is what it is and have fun. Get ready. It's coming Whatever because I mean again a lot of the recent announcements ever since post covid we've been getting they they announce it The either the fiscal slash seasonal quarter right before things come out Like mario wonder or whatever and everything else like I it's right before like we're announcing that summer and it's coming out in the fall So I again I could see a fall announcement and it comes out late winter easy. I don't know that's just me That I was I think we wish we'll think I think this is holiday next year It's all wishful thinking To be fair they I don't think they do the only what is it was the we holiday release Because the last switch was the this was just a marked release. Yep. They did we you and the holiday Oh, okay 3ds wasn't that was an early year Yeah, um all their good consoles minus the weird We're early spring, so I have to look up and snus got dropped. Hopefully that was holiday anyways. Um Going way back, but no, I mean, they can release it whenever it's up to nintendo when they think the timing Yeah, but I I I always say holiday because i'm just like holiday is always a great sales period That's why a lot of systems launch holiday It all depends on what they want to do and you know if they think You know, I was like would they announce and cannibalize holiday sales? I don't know they never have before But this is a new nintendo. We don't know what furikawa's thinking. He might be a madman He might be a madman ago. We ain't even look we have mario wonder we got mario rpg We got a peach game. We ain't worried about switch sales. We ain't worried about holidays We ain't gonna stop selling switch. No, that's why it comes out this holiday So they don't have to worry. We got we got this hot stuff.  That's legit. Let's announce the graphics update patch for pokemon I would I would rather you announce a performance Yeah, I know really. Oh my god, just or I mean, yeah Watch watch watch the new switch comes out. They announce a graphics enhancement update patch.  It just needs to not like I was trying to grind a team for any I was actually planning to competed pokemon international tournaments for video game And it is so miserable to grind because of like the water areas and stuff. I mean you literally you're running like 15 20 frames per second like and just like steady. That's the frame rate and it's miserable Um, no if they drop september and it said hey, it's it's coming out this holiday. I would I I would eat a shoe Yeah, let's let's talk about a feature All right, let's talk about this this came up on my twitter today I'm not going to dive into all the specifics, but there are a lot of people out there particularly fans of other consoles Even pc that love achievements A universal achievement system What are your guys's thoughts on Maybe achievements in general and whether it's something nintendo should like nintendo has achievements in specific So you can't say like they don't ever do a change. I mean even here's the kingdom has 100 achievement but What do you guys think about a universal achievement system and if the nintendo should consider that for the next system? I think if you asked me Five to ten years ago not ten five years ago. I would have been all for it But ever since like the xbox 360 era has kind of died. I don't I don't know I don't find achievements to be necessary in any gaming thing anymore to be real Like I don't play the games anymore to get to get the gamer score to get the The the things on steam or the trophies.  Like don't get me wrong. They were nice. It's just It's very much. It was a product of that era in my opinion and I don't think it's necessary I think it would it wouldn't hurt to have it Um, as long as it is, you know Doesn't enter like interrupt gameplay, but otherwise I mean, I think I think it's just a product of the early 2000s really And then it was just something that's it's just persisted in some things And I think you're really starting to see it kind of phase out because there's a lot of other ways to incentivize people to Complete your game and have fun with it and gain some sort of exp and whatnot. So but anyways, that's that's just me I mean I Never really got into achievements. I was never A hardcore xbox player even when I did play an xbox a ton. I wasn't A big achievement hunter. So I think Nintendo not having it is okay because That's not why I play video games. Like I'd honestly rather have something In the game that is an achievement rather than A little thing outside of it that shows up on my profile that says, oh you did this thing in zelda. Okay I did it in the game though.  So I don't think it's necessary. I think the people who want it are Really, I mean almost I would say probably more hardcore xbox playstation people who nintendo is not their Main console because I feel like a lot of nintendo Gamers don't really care About achievements in the same way that xbox and sony players do You never hear complaints from nintendo players about achievements. It's mostly. Yeah xbox and playstation players about the complaints Yeah, but I would like it for the retro games and give me incentives to go back and like Complete some of those but sometimes that throws me off in games like Uh, the trophies on playstation. I'll look at it before I play a game or is the platinum achievable Okay, and then I start doing stuff that I normally really wouldn't do to try and get this trophy or that trophy And then sometimes it burns me out in the game where I'm like, okay I'm not enjoying this trying to get the trophies and so yeah, I don't think I would really want it Maybe just for the retro ones though Yeah, like one thing is nintendo does dabble in it a little bit with some of their some of their games It would be interesting if they just made a universal system since everyone else has a universal system You know third party games take advantage of it I So I've never been someone that cares that much about achievements You know I was talking to eric about this sort of day Like what was the last game that I actually looked at an achievement and thought about like getting in In world of warcraft maybe like there were some raid achievements I wanted to get sometimes But those raid achievements I wanted to get were also like things I was going to do anyways I wasn't I avoided achievements that were like out of my way like go collect 7 000 pelts from a wolf like no I'm not going to do that like that's not fun. No, thanks But like achievements achievements of like beating everything on heroic mode in In this raid. I'm like, well, yeah, that's our plan anyways So sure I want that achievement because that that's the plan and the achievement is nice to look back and reminisce on that specific memory of That that run we did where we took out all the heroic boss fights in one raid and like yeah, that's cool But it's something we were going to do anyways so I will say that like when you have an achievement the only nice thing about it Is if you're someone who ever decides to glance through your achievement list on games Sometimes it can trigger a memory that maybe you forgot about um, that's kind of cool But I also will say and I said this on twitter and I I tried to understand Why people be like how do people become achievement horrors? How do people really start caring about platinum to start caring about their gamer score so much like why does it matter? For some people that are really into it because like some of the arguments out there like, oh, yeah, like You that memory is only for you, but I have that gamer score forever And I'm like, yeah, but I can't remember the last time I purposely went on xbox Looked at someone's profile to glance at their gamer score Or went to somebody's profile on ps5 to check out their trophies like I don't care what you did only you care what you did Like it like I don't really Having the achievement doesn't change that it still only matters to you Um, I and and maybe there's just whole communities out there where it becomes a big bragging rights thing So maybe there is That that sense of like oh check my profile check my achievements check my platinums and I'm sure that's a thing I just feel like that's a teenager thing. I don't really think that's something I'm like I'm approaching 40 I don't I don't really care I don't need to prove my my gaming problem. I you're better than me at games I'll just say it right now. Are are you younger than me playing a thousand hours a month? Do you have I'll say right now All your tears of the kingdom players you got hundreds of hours in I'm about to beat the game sub sub 80 hours.  It's cool I can accept that. I don't really care. It doesn't affect It doesn't affect my enjoyment. It's like I don't really care how Good or bad other people are the only time I cared was when I was trying to play like competitively Yeah, like I don't really do that that much anymore so And even if it's where the word your achievement was competitively, I care that when you're on my team do we win It's more like the bragging rights thing where especially like with final fantasy six people like hey Just got that platinum in final fantasy six 16. It's my 159th platinum on twitter people post stuff like that It's like, all right. Well, I'm not beating the game twice to get the platinum. Sorry. So have fun. Go ahead No I'm shocked that I was even brought up again.  Yes? No, and you can change it On off whatever Or and I mean living like Eli said, you know, if you do bring that Like achievements and give you uh silver coins for or platinum coins for your your switch account To redeem for some of the Yeah, I don't have the stickers and calendar and the wallpapers But yeah, I guess that's cool because it adds like a value to it I don't know man. Like right I always look at it as I'll never play a game because it has achievements It's not the purpose of me playing but there are so many people that like I need to get the achievements I need to get the platinums. I need to this it like makes you feel More fulfilled. I think sometimes for some people When it was brought up like a bragging rights thing. Oh, I platinum this cool and I'd like to see the okay So you're a bigger spider-man 2 fan than me when that comes out because you platinum it and I just beat it I think the achievement the achievement of first person in the world to beat this I don't know how you tracked that but that would be a cool achievement That was one thing. Oh, oh That'd be cool. Yeah, that and see that existed in world of warcraft But it was tracked by outside websites for that was that was a that was a big thing back in my hardcore Rating days was like being world first and certain raid kills Yeah, that that's probably still a thing. I don't know I'm not a seer hardcore raider anymore I'm sure it's still a thing for guilds chasing the world first kills Achievements give me super. I know you can like turn them off. It's an accessibility. Yeah.  I just have tears streaming down You know in the middle of a cutscene. Oh my god. I just beat a boss I got the achievement for the boss and you're popping up in this emotional cutscene. Like what are you doing? Yeah, like I like to get immersed when I play and you guys You guys saw this happen when I was streaming like tears of the kingdom yesterday my six hour stream There were moments. I was so into the game. I forgot I was streaming.   You I'm like, I'm so into this right now people in the chatter.  I just It's a good thing you're not When you're in well, but when you're so in the game like that the last thing I want to pop up on my Damn screen kicking me out of the game Like I just because it's a reminder that it's just a game and you kick me out I'm like, but no, I'm so immersed right now. Let me just go and enjoy Like I don't play games for achievements. I play games for the I I mentioned this before like is a movie better because if you got to the end It gave you a 10 point gamer score for completing the movie Imagine They give you a little I'm on season five of suits and I get an achievement because like I went five episodes. I watched the entire credits Here's your hundred points. You are code at the end that you does that make it a better show or movie No Yeah, my score would be so high. I can grind that score out. I'll take that I wouldn't be happening because I'm doing it.  Probably because I just play a lot of games on so it just happens Would I have a lot of platooms? No, I don't 100% anything. I don't do any. I don't I just I want to I play games for fun. Like when I see people say that they need like an ROI. This was a big one I need a return on my time investment. Isn't it the entertainment? That's the return And if it's that's not good enough You need a score on top Then do you really like playing video games or are you addicted to the score? So I often wonder because I know there are achievement horrors out there And I often wonder do they even like playing the game or they just addicted to the score? They just want the bragging, right? But they don't really fundamentally Have fun when they're playing I think I had a moment when I was growing up where We would I would be playing we would I was also like on the achievement hunter grind for a bit because I watched achievement hunter and I watched those people and I watched them, you know I had a moment of like Like of consciousness where I was like, oh, I have free will I don't need to be doing this We were like hunting achievements and stuff because you know, we wanted to be like them and we They're we downloaded this free game called Doritos crash course It's fun But for anybody in the chat who knows it was a wipe out esk 2d platformer that you you could do it multiplayer with your friends So it was free. It was multiplayer. It was fun but It was we we would grind it to get like the free thousand gamer score out of it And when I was playing I again I just had this moment of like because it looked like it had it used like the shitty Xbox avatars that and and you jump through the stage And yeah, all that stuff. It was fantastic game. Like don't get me wrong. It was great for what it was But man, I just had this moment of like Getting sucked down. I'm like, I don't need to be hunting these fake points anymore. Like, you know, like Oh, I'm I'm part of the problem or not problem But you know what I'm and that's what I wonder like when I hear people say I need my return on investment I'm like, well if the the joy of playing a game isn't a good return Yeah, then like you need to find something you actually enjoy in life You're kind of just wasting your time doing something you actively don't enjoy for points that don't matter It's like it's like whose line is it anyway when they're handing out all those fake points and they don't really matter Like yeah, the points don't matter. It's just a joke. It's an in joke for the whole show And they really don't matter Okay, but this isn't a joke. You think it matters. It means nothing. Oh, I mean that did all this stuff Okay, can you tell me the last time you had fun? um Well, dude, I did have follow I I do when I was playing warzone I checked this one knife that bounced off a fire hydrant and it bounced off a helicopter and headshot somebody that was fun Was it an achievement? No. Okay. Well, then How'd you have fun? It wasn't an achievement Uh It should be a petitioned. I'm like Just enjoy have fun like the memory of like I don't know like I understand Oh, here's the thing. I'm not anti-achievement. I want to make that clear. I'm not anti-achievement. I literally have always stated I'm cool with nintendo as a universal achievement system but there are people Already right now running around bragging about their 100 completion the game says In tears of the kingdom. I know it because I've seen it I don't care that they 100 like no matter how much They want to brag about it. I literally do not care that they want 100 of the game. It's irrelevant to my life I don't think you could pay me to get all those core oxy's Yeah, that's right. That's the big one completed. If you could get all the quest school You know, you got all the shrine school. You did all the light roots The core oxy's man. Did you really need to go get another pile of poo? No, yeah Just to get 100 yeah, I gotta have the hundred percent. It has to say has to say it I had someone Messaged me after my stream Yesterday because I'm gonna I'm gonna be those asking after these people asking I will be beating tears of the kingdom on stream tomorrow during the day at some point What's interesting is I had people message me after I was done with the stream Being like, are you really gonna beat the game at some 80 hours? And you've only done what 50 shrines and And and and and but like like you're not even a real gamer if you do this You're not playing the game the way you should be playing it And uh, how can this be your favorite game of all time? You've only played like 10% Like what I don't know what percent I played.  I don't You're right There's a lot I haven't done yet. You know what that means If I'm already this happy like look if I have 80 hours of pure bliss in a video game That is amazing that that doesn't happen often And the fact that there is so much more for me to go do and continue having bliss with And I'm not even getting into the crazy builds yet I'll do that when I'm late in the game and I've done everything I want to do and now I'm just fucking around taking out king leox with the crazy mechs and stuff like I Yeah, I can say legit say it's my favorite game of all time. I don't need to 100 something to say that That's my favorite game. You're not a real gamer unless you I'm not a I'm not a real you're not real I was in a real Zelda fan once because of stuff like this and I'm like get the That's fine. Oh my Let's go. Oh my Go ahead and tell me I'm not I don't I don't 100 and replay all the games all the time Look, I got the fierce deity mask in majority. I get out of here. There's times I go all the way But it's just I don't do it that often anymore. Why I'm older. I have other shit going on And every game now like seems to require hundreds and hundreds of hours to do it I used to not be that way back in the day to 100 games growing up. It didn't take 500 to a thousand hours You know, you can be 30 hours and 100 percent of game. I can't that's just not the way it is today Every game is Wants all of my time. No, the game gets the appropriate amount of time I'm willing to spend with it and if I loved every second of it Cool, I want to rate it appropriately on my on my list of games Based on my experiences not based on how much I haven't experienced yet Um Okay, I have a totally off topic because again, it was this is kind of you said it was kind of just Open mic, right? So what's I don't have one off top of my head But do is ever does any everybody here have us like a sleeper game or a like an indie game that On the switch specifically that you would highly recommend playing to either chat or myself Uh, because I like to find I've been looking to try and find some small games I mean, they don't they don't even have to be cheap just things that maybe aren't as like to main She's got a great multiplayer one for you.   I got introduced. I don't mean to choose my kids to it They're gonna get so addicted to it. It is so fun It's got two different modes in it all these and I think it's got online as well. Oh, it's crazy. Yes Yes, that's a that's a good one That I don't know how many people know about that one and everyone's talking about that diver game now on steam Uh, that's coming to switch later. Dave the diver. I've heard about that one Yeah, that one's coming to switch later this year. So I might be wanting to watch out for okay So you said boomerang foo? Yeah, write this down I don't know if the day that everyone does much of a sleeper since everyone's talking about it now Yeah, it's it's kind of blowing up But I mean it's blowing up because it's good. I've watched the people play it. I'm gonna do this as far This is crazy. This is awesome Nick, what about yourself? It's a great concept for a game. Um, I'm gonna say One that I have all guys Maybe Like two people talk about Is it's an indie game called katana zero and it's like It's a It's a Scott. It's a side scroller But it's Really, it's really fun because the whole premise is you can't get hit at all. Yeah, like you can maybe But then if you take any more than that you restart The level but you have all these cool like time slowing powers and you can reflect bullets with your sword And I like that's probably the most fun I've ever had with an indie game This looks like um, that's a very good game. What's that? What's the multi? What's the party game where everybody's running?  I love that. Yeah, it looks like it looks like speed runners, but with like Oh, man, what was that? I keep I can't hyper light.  You destroyed boomerang food The completely different kind of games I played katana zero on such a whim. It was like 10 bucks on the e-shop. I thought it looked cool And I was like, okay, and I looked up the how long to beat. It's like five hours I was like, okay. It's a pretty simple game. I've loved it. Honestly. I want to go back and play it again Because it's been a while That's how I usually you got a sleeper. I'm there. Yeah, I got Three here. I'll go with the most scary one that I have. Oh, I'm gonna be eating good. Okay. Well that's dusk It's actually a pretty solid uh first person shooter Kind of reminds you of like old school quake. Yeah, uh single player. Oh, I see. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say Yeah, quake. Yep Okay, I don't I wouldn't recommend picking this up now because there's probably nobody playing it But Friday the 13th on switch was excellent Okay, uh, and then coming next month. I'm sure people have heard of those vampire survivors Oh, yeah, it's an amazing game. I put that on my phone. It's good. Yeah, I love it. Yeah Oh, yeah, I love that I love I love finding like little indie games or just like little I don't know games that are just like take a couple hours to be just little your whole snacks Um Yeah, I don't I don't think I have one. I mean Ultimate chicken horse is very much mainstream. So I won't call that a creeper But I love ultimate chicken horse. If you've never played it definitely play it. I'm like looking at my library. I'm like, uh Some of it's not my library is not fully downloaded yet because of my yeah I know I have a bunch of indie games for my other switch I never reinstalled any because I already beat them and I was like I'm trying to remember which ones they are because I have to go back to the e-shop to look at it Yeah, for sure. Um Cool Oh, yeah, human fall flat's great. I've played that before that's a good one excellent Yeah, there's I see that there's a bunch in the in the chat here lumberjack lumberjack bear tiny can I've heard a little bit. I've heard a little to the left. I've seen I saw someone stream that one uh That's the only thing what's that sucks about um the Game like that where it's like when you've seen it happen once if you watch it then it's like kind of ruins the game The only thing I would say I watched it unpacking once and unpacking is similar to that But I will say it was I thought it was going to be like that But then I played it and it was still different because you can kind of put everything in the house Where you want it to be it just kind of spoils the story of it. That's all Doki doki literature club. Oh my gosh. I love that game. That is Genuinely my my number five game of all time. It's a good game. Damn I didn't think I was gonna like it because I don't like I mean, I wouldn't really consider it a horror game Especially when compared to I would definitely consider it a horror game. It is pretty close Locked up psychological. Oh, yeah, absolutely I would want a hundred percent considerate horror in some vein. I didn't think I was gonna like that Uh, and then I played it and initially I was kind of skeptical and then I played it again And I enjoyed it so much more. It's actually the only game. I've ever double dipped on I bought it digital and then I ended up buying the physical because I loved it that much Nice visual horror novel that's maybe the best way to it is it is definitely Horror and they they they do a very good job at the beginning of the game of being like, hey This is not suitable for kids Do you want to read through the trigger warning? This is not for everyone. Oh, don't you don't get Oh, this sounds like a fun game to give from my kids a literature club reading No, no anime girl You need that there, but it also like slightly I find it best when I booted up for a friend and then like Then we they have more of the shock value of like They don't see the warning and stuff. They just kind of we kind of obviously you need to make sure that they're like Okay around that. Yeah, but that's honestly the best ways I've experienced that is with like a group of friends Someone else has booted it up and we're all just like experiencing together and half of them don't know what's going on And then boom, you're like, whoa It goes crazy. Oh, that's a great one. Is that that really sense which already spirit fair I played I played it on pc but that was that one's spirit fair is great That's a very good one Oh, yeah, I've seen this game. This game looks really good. Yeah, they've had they've had under a couple indie worlds before Yeah, I've seen a lot of people like it has like a really cute story and it's like Isn't it about like basically people like passing into the overlay? Yes. Yes after all excuse me You're in you're the boat fair like fair Yeah, that's so cute. Oh You're really staying august 18th of 2020. Yeah. Yeah, I've I've heard of this You know, it's really good. No, no, no site. So This looks like a game you should play on switch. It has that art style Yeah Highly recommend cadence of hyrule if you have I have played that I got it when it came out Such a really good. I haven't played it in a while, but I know how you play it I've you played crypt of the necromancer. That's the big I have it. I know it's the same concept, but I bought it. I don't so you got cadence because you like zelda, but you even tried what Well, the music and cadence was really that was a cool Music and crypt of the necromancer is also pretty great. All right, I'll give it to you because that's that's the crossover That's the last time it's crossed over. Yeah That would be cool. We should get If they did what do you guys I think we talked about I don't know was it you guys that we talked about this or wasn't you guys But Nate did we talk about this last podcast? We were talking about like spin-off zelda games Like why don't they do more of those I guess because a lot of them were such flops back in the day except for cadence of hyrule well So they've actually had some pretty good success when they've done spin-offs Um, they they just haven't ever really gone all in like they have with mario, but like links crossbow training sold incredibly well I want to links crossbow training too. Is it actually good or is that just like a meme? It's pretty it's pretty good It's not like the greatest light gun game yet Not even having it next to him ready to whip it out. That's amazing He's about the way I'm gonna be stuff lately. So I gotta quit a bit of uh, we games over here. Oh, that's funny Yeah, links crossbow training is pretty fun Um, but I mean if you think about it, it's basically like hyrule warriors cadence of hyrule links crossbow Like there isn't a ton. I'm trying to think of like a dud crossover game for zelda I can't really think of one unless we go back to the cdi games, which aren't really crossover That was just a bad deal Like I mean, like they're spin-offs like the tingle games, but those aren't bad either if you actually play them Yeah So I don't really I mean that's all I think we should remaster the cdi games and bring him to switch I think that's the next move post Hotel mario nsl, let's go mario teachers typing include a keyboard that mario time machine your doc Graceful explosion machine, uh, I think that came out round the launch time graceful explosion machine and uh, Mr. Shifty We're fairly solid. I like Or these two more. Okay. Yeah Yeah, yeah Um pretty solid on the spin-off topic. I don't keep just I keep just few and I keep just going.  Can we can we just get it ported? I'll just take a port. Yeah, just port it. Yeah Like I know the one minigame like the one mario minigame wouldn't technically I mean you could just have it as long line play But or yeah, it would be really hard to do because you would then you would need um Like you wouldn't be able to do it locally you'd have to be all online But I mean most people do that online anyway. Was that mario chase or something? Yeah, because that one the whole point of it is you take the game I guess a lot of those are Like mario chase You could still you could still do it. Yeah, you just use a phone They're already doing it with everybody's one to switch. Oh, yeah, true Or you could even do a thing Because like a game master when you're running around like you could you could do that with a touch screen That's not a big deal. That if they did that with the phone that would like Really because then I make it really accessible just to like every party. That's why they put out everybody's one to Oh, here we go. They just needed to make that idea work Yeah No doesn't work very well, but it works sort of Now Welcome to the new VR experience next generation with all those patents involving phones and VR headsets I can't wait to have my nintendo switch two inches from my face and when I say phones and VR headsets It's not putting the phone in the VR headset.  It was really annoying I VR is sick. I've I've done a lot of stuff. I have a oculus quest one The one that has a wire on it before they like locked it So like that one is it's really easy to like upload or like do steam stuff Because the quest two you have to like you have to break it and then you can access steam things Um, I don't know. I'm oh, yeah, there it is by the switch But yeah, it's I mean, I like I like VR a lot. Um, I just I think I think it's it's almost there not quite yet given another 10 years Not quite. I think we'll be there. I think the google there are the excuse me the apple Google uh headset the apple I think it's the most that's the most promising if if what they showed in the Trailer thing that they have is like what it actually looks like and how it feels when you're using it. I think it's really promising I just think it needs to be not 300 Yeah And I get the idea behind it is support like why it's that much is because it's supposed to replace everything Like it's supposed to replace all of one device. Yeah, yeah, it's supposed to replace all those things That's why it costs so much, but It's it's a step towards the promise of google glass. It's a step towards it It's definitely the most promising vr piece of technology in the space I will say that and I think if it performs the way that they advertise it which apple usually it does I think it'll be I think it'll be We're really moving in the right direction. So but anyways I really want to test out those glasses that you plug your console into and then it projects it Oh, yeah Yeah, are they good or they weren't they're not they they they're actually pretty solid Um, so I wasn't really so we did a sponsor video and some other stuff on it And I I just thought they were you're kind of gimmicky a little bit But also they did work like just straight up they work But then I I used them I this is like like me just consuming content because that's all it is. It's just projecting a screen um, so I was laying in bed and um, I just uh, I was on my switch and I'm like, you know what we have hulu on here I never load hulu on my switch. I have hulu. Let me just go watch the show quick And I'm just laying in bed and I'm like, this is the most comfortable I've ever been in bed watching a show in my life And then I realized Holy shit, let me get tears of the kingdom back out Grab my joy cons put them down at my side. So I'm not holding the controller up here I'm laying in bed on my back and I'm like this is oh my god.  I haven't been in a situation yet, but I could see myself using them on a plane I could definitely see myself using them. It's like it's very useful in commute situation. They're so cool Uh, you just have to get the right nosepiece on so it's adjusted right so you can actually see the full screen man Send me a pair. I'll try them out Yeah, let me let me get right on that a thousand bucks. Let me just $1,000 No, it's 500 for one. It's 500 for one. I think that includes the back with the one but still It's cool, but I feel like the technology is not quite affordably yet Yeah, they need the the only level they need to go from is Right now all versions of them whether it's this or there's a couple other companies that do them as well Um, right now, they still take up like the top like quarter to a third of your glasses that you're wearing Um, and because that's like the actual projector then if they can get away to shrink that down so it doesn't do that Um, so you have more of the available vision of the full glasses because when you're looking at it You're kind of looking down this midge to see the whole screen Uh, which to me doesn't wait to me which to me Isn't a big deal because my glasses are always down like this and I'm so I'm constantly looking down anyway So I'm kind of used to just looking down to see things Uh, but not everybody's used to that And I don't know I mean I have really big lenses. Yeah.  They do have an adapter. I think four people with glasses. Yeah, they have a they have a glasses adapter. Yeah And they have a version with adjustable lenses depending on if you if you're someone that doesn't have