If a woman is anointed, understands the scriptures through and through and wants to be a pastor, what should she do? Simple. Nothing. Well, I have decided that when I see a woman on camera with a mic in her hand speaking about the Lord, no matter how good it sounds, no matter how even biblically accurate it is, I'm going to have to start assuming that she is either a pastor, a co-pastor, a bishop, a prophet, an apostle, something. Why? Because that's the state of the church that we're in.  Let's see what else we have. I don't know. Whatever else we have, can she fulfill those roles? And then more to the point, what roles can a woman fulfill? Now, before I go forward, I need to make it clear that not all men can fulfill all those roles as well. However, just a generic male, that particular male obviously is open to all of the positions that the Bible has. But what about a woman? And specifically, what about a woman as it pertains to an office, the organized body, the meeting of the body, the church? And so we need to go ahead and delve into that now. Before we get going, I'll make this point. If a person wants to, if a person wants to have any questions or any pushback, that's fine. We'll reserve that till the end. So if you want to have some sort of pushback, if you disagree, no problem. I welcome that because the hardest thing that I've found is to find a woman who wants to, or a man who wants to defend their point. So that being the case, I want to go ahead and look at a few things. Obviously, we need to look at some scriptures. Now, over the weekend, I posted a video and on the other channel, I think it was the other channel, I'm not sure which channel it was, but I used CC Winans. I had no idea that CC Winans was a pastor or co-founder of a church or what have you had. No, I did not. I'm not sure what role or what capacity that she's in. I did not know the clip that I use. She seemed to be speaking in front of only women, but then a flood of comments came in and said, Hey, she's a pastor. She did not know. Broke my heart. Broke my heart because obviously you can tell where I lean. She should not be in that capacity. But does that mean that women are in some way shaped from a fashion? Are they second rate? No, without question. Are they limited in some capacity? Well, as it relates to certain positions in the Bible, well, sure. Now, I kept the video up because the message that she was speaking was true, but she made a statement that if anyone were to see that she's doing something or saying something wrong, then you should run. But before you run, let her know. Sister Winans, you cannot be in that position if that's the position that you're over now. The question might be asked, what if she is, because I've seen some churches where they don't allow the women to preach and teach to the men, but she can speak or preach to the women and then they call her the women's pastor. Would I have a problem with that? Well, probably not. Probably not as long as that's conveyed. The only problem is that you might cause some confusion, a little bit of confusion. But that being the case again, we're going to look at the scriptures. This doesn't start off just out of thin air. This does not start out in the New Testament. Let's go back to Genesis three to the, as we would say, the scene of the crime and literally the scene of the crime. In Genesis three, we've got the Lord who has all of these culprits lined up. We've got the woman. We've got the man and we've got the serpent. We've got the devil lined up. And so what does God say? Well, let's just deal with what he says to the woman. He says into the woman, Genesis three, 16, I will greatly multiply your pain and childbirth. Well, that part is true. Not that I know from experience, I've just heard. I've been told that it's not the most pleasant of experiences in pain. You will bring forth children, yet your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you. So far, is that correct? Well, it is correct. It is correct. That simply means that he will rule over you. Now, does that mean that he should dominate over you? No. Does it mean that she is less than no? But can we just step out of the world that we live in and just be honest, keep it, keep it real? There's a difference between men and women. Now, I will say this, the biggest problem that we have with women is men. I know some guys are going to be upset with me, but hey, listen. If you want to be a man, be a man. The biggest problem with women is men. We have just abdicated so many roles and have just done a disservice to the body, to the world, to our families and to women in general. But that being the case, no, by the way, we're going to cover the role of a male in the body as well. So we're not going to just deal with the women. We'll also deal with the men. But in this case, what are the qualifications of a pastor? Because someone's going to come back and say, they're going to say, well, we see women in the Bible operating in certain capacities. We see a woman who's a prophet. We'll deal with about what does that mean for a woman to be a prophet or prophesy?  By the way, the women in the Bible do not function in roles of capacity where they have a headship over the men in the church, key distinction in the church. We do have a woman who prior to the church, Deborah, who did have some sort of leadership. Now, remember at this point in time, Israel had no real leader and they would come to the judge to get understanding, to get differences sorted out and so forth. But this was also a rebellious nation. And so, even in that point, we could even look and see how God had even determined whose faithfulness would be accounting in Hebrews 11, which is not hers, but it's right. Not to say that Deborah didn't have any faith. That's not what I'm saying at all. But anyway, let's go to the pastors and look at the qualifications because someone's going to say where Paul makes statements in Timothy. As a matter of fact, let's go to 1 Timothy 2 first because Paul makes a statement and then someone's going to come back and say, well, wait a second, wait a second, wait a second. The reason why that's happening is because the women in that church were just out of order. So, let's go to 1 Timothy 2. I've got so many passages up here. Here it is. Therefore, starting verse 8, therefore I want men, want the men in every place to pray. Now, the word for men is not Anthropos, meaning that it is for all mankind. I want men, I want males in all of the places to pray, lifting up holy hands without wrath and dissension. Part of the problem that we do have is the dissension with the men, but that's a whole other story.  The biggest portion of the problem is us.  Gnychus is the Greek word for women, one of the Greek words, to adorn themselves with proper clothing. What he's saying in the context, modestly and discreetly, not with braided hair and gold pearls or costly garments, so he's warning the women to present themselves in a modest fashion. What we see today, and let me just say this, ladies, y'all forgive me. I might get in trouble for this. I might get in trouble for this, what I'm about to say, but it's true. What I'm getting ready to say is absolutely true. Here's the truth. If you were to notice a lot of, and I mean a lot of, especially those that are maybe 50 and younger, how do I say this? A lot of women who are preaching, who are pastoring, who are taking certain leadership positions like to show their beauty and like to show their body and like to show their behinds. Let me just put it that way. Like to show the three B's, and I kind of cleaned the last B up, their beauty, their body, and I could have said they're behind. They're little booties. How about that? I said it. I said it. Why do I say that? Well, just look at them because they understand something. Because you can capture a lot of people's attention, especially males. You know what? You know what can make a man say, yeah, you know what? A woman shouldn't be up there is if she gives them or if they give them something to look at. She is sort of eye candy-ish. Are you with me? A woman. Now, by the way, there's nothing wrong with a woman looking beautiful. God makes women beautiful. Nothing wrong with that. But sometimes a lot of the ladies that are preaching, they want to show off, accentuate what the Lord has given them. And so you'll see things that are kind of cut low. You'll see some things that are tight fitting. You'll see some things where they're showing off their bodies. And so forget the message. Let's look at the woman. And so now all of a sudden, some men have a reason to say, yes, it's okay. It's okay because they like looking at them. I'm just going to keep it honest, guys, that I'm speaking from what I know because I've seen and heard a lot of them say the same thing. And then again, you just look at them. Even those that have gotten older, they steal if they've got a little something. I'm trying to keep it as PG as possible. They want to show it. I get that. And it's bad enough when men are preaching. There are women, this I know for a fact as well, there are women who show off too much in the sanctuary to other males, but even also to other pastors where they might lean forward to show things. It's bad in the church. And so if it's like that in the pews, you see that fall over into the pulpit where she has no business being in the first place. But now that being the case, going back to what Paul said, because Paul is saying that we should keep things modest for our ladies, but rather by means of good works as is proper for women making a claim to godliness. A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. Now, so I'm going to say, well, wait a second, this is because at this particular church, this is Timothy at the time of him receiving this letter from Paul, is an Ephesus. And there's a problem with Ephesus. We'll come back to that in a second, but they're saying this is big uproar with the women, women acting out of line. Okay, let's see if that holds water, but I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over men, but to remain silent. I do not allow a woman to teach or to exercise authority. Now, notice, I want you all to notice both of these verbs are in the affinity. The Dasgain is in the infinitive and so too is the authentic. That means both of these are speaking of the same thing, so he, she is not to teach over a man or to exercise authority over men. Now, this obviously is in the body in the church. Are you with me at the gathering? He does not allow that. Well, that's just Paul. Why should we Paul is saying that? But that's not what the Lord sent. But again, let's not be those people that will disagree with Paul when it fits us and agree with them when it suits us. In other words, most of the people, let's say, who believe in tongues? Well, tongues are okay. Why? Because we think that what Paul is speaking about his tongues, even though Paul's understanding of tongues is vastly different than what we see in the Bible, but the point is they'll take everything else that Paul is stating to suit them, but this. So he says, not to teach over a man or have authority over a man. Obviously, this is in the body. Paul is not giving some sort of rule against a woman being over the man in society because Paul understands that everyone is not a Christian. And so for example, if there is, if there is, let's say, some sort of woman who's in leadership or she is running something like we saw Paul, one of the one of the Jewish leaders wives was running was in charge of something. Well, he's not speaking of anyone outside of the church, but the church. Okay, now the question is, does this apply to just that one particular body that church at that time? Well, if it does apply to that one church at that one time, the problem with that is we don't have any writings, any scriptures to tell us that. But here's the bigger problem with that. Here's why we know this does not apply to just Ephesus. First of all, the statement is also made not just to those in Ephesus, but it's also made to those in Corinth. So are we going to say it applies to just Ephesus and just Corinth only at that time? We don't have any scriptures to state that point. And so this is where someone wants to make their ideology fit what the scriptures don't say, because the scriptures are clear. He says, I do not, by the way, here's how we also know that he's not speaking of just Ephesus, because he, one, he didn't bring up Ephesus. Two, he literally writes a letter to the church in Ephesus and doesn't bring this issue up. Three, look why he says the reason for him saying so. Verse 12, let's go back to 12 again. He says, but I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over man, but to remain quiet. 13, here's the reason. For it was Adam who was first created. Notice what he says. It was Adam who was first created and then Eve. Well, what does that have to do with Ephesus? Nothing. What does that have to do with the church of Corinth? Nothing. It was Adam who was created first, then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived and fell into transgression. But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctify, I'm sanctity with self-restraint. Notice he didn't say that about men. Notice he didn't say that about men. Now let's go back to Paul invokes Genesis again. So let's go back to Genesis, unless God was incorrect. God is the one who said to the woman, yet your desire will be for your husband and he will rule over you. Well, that's their husband. That's not in the church. So if she's married and her church is there, well then how then does that work? Because many of these women that we see are married. How then does that work? Can she be the pastor and not be the head of the church? He's the head of her, but she's the head of the body. That's not how that works. Oh, by the way, oh, by the way, this very same Paul who is writing to Timothy, after chapter two of 1 Timothy, what comes next? Chapter three. So immediately after verse 15 comes 1 Timothy chapter three. And look what he says. It is a trustworthy statement if a certain person aspires to the office of an overseer. By the way, we've covered this before, so we won't deal with this right now, but we've covered before how a pastor overseer, shepherd, they're all the same thing. Okay. And I see someone talking about cultural context and so forth. Well, the culture is my friend is God stated at the very beginning, the whole world. That's the culture. God stated this in the very beginning. Now, let's deal with this cultural context if it is because that is a big misnomer. Paul says that now Paul is writing to Timothy. Where is and for all of you, you guys that believe this is a cultural contextual issue, fine. Paul makes this statement. Timothy is an Ephesus, fine. What about when he makes the exact same statement to Titus who is not an Ephesus? What about when a similar statement is made to the church in Corinth who is not an Ephesus? Let's continue. He says an overseer then must be above reproach. The here it is. Look on the screen, guys. Nias Ganiakas Andres, which is one woman man. He can only have one woman. Forgetting the fact of can he have multiple wives and so forth. It's a male with one woman. Look what else it says. Obviously, we know temperate prude and respect and so forth. Verse four, he must be one who manages his own household well keeping his children under control with all dignity. But if a man does not know how to manage his own household, how will he take care of the church of God? In other words, he is to be someone that manages his household well. Well, it couldn't be that it's a woman who manages the household well because that would mean her. She's also out of order because the husband is to do so. Are you with me? Now, continuing, we see this also again. Matter of fact, before we continue, let's go. Let's also look at what Titus says to see that Titus makes the exact same statement where he makes exact same statement to Titus. Let me put this on the screen. He says to Titus in verse chapter one, verse five. He says, for this reason, I left you in Crete. So where is Titus in Crete that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you, namely if any man is above reproach. The here it is again. Mias Gnaikis Aneir, one woman male. He must be a male. This is in 2023 where a man can marry a man and a woman can marry a woman. This is then where we had a little bit more sanity. Sad to think that in Corinth and in Ephesus in Crete, the first century, they had more sanity about this than we do. For the overseer must be above reproach as a good steward, not self-will, quick temper and so forth. Let's drop down holding fast, faithful word, which is in accordance with the teaching so that he will be able to exhort and sound, doctrine and refute those who contradict. If anyone wants to contradict this, well, then we've got a problem. If anyone thinks that what I'm saying is out of order, I'm wrong, well, then it is you are beholden to the scriptures to present your argument. If what I'm saying is wrong, then do us all a favor and enlighten us, because there's going to be somebody that's going to come back later. I disagree. I disagree. A woman can be anointed to this and that.  And that's the bigger problem with the church is that too many people want to say what they feel and what they think and will not go with the scriptures. You, sir or ma'am, whoever you are, please be silent. You should never speak if you are going to speak and not use the scriptures. The problem that we have in the church, whether it be women, whether it be even males acting up, whatever it is, people are not holding themselves accountable to the scriptures. And so because she can speak or because she's gifted or in some case because she's pretty or because she's the only one there to do it, she still does not have that right, that role. Well, Corey, what if no men are around? Well, then go find a church where there are some men. Don't you go and start one. You do not have a right to usurp God's authority. What Paul makes us say, not the Lord, but Peter, who is also an apostle, calls Paul's writings scriptural, calls those scriptures. And so therefore, we have to abide by them. Amen. Say, amen. If not, you're in trouble. Continuing, the Bible says this because people will think that, wait a second, because he also writes this to the church of correct. Now I want you to notice something. I want you to notice something. Let's drop down first. I'm going to go a little further and we're going to come back first Corinthians 1434. And then we're going to go backwards. The women are to keep silent in the church, for they are not permitted to speak, but our subject are to subject themselves just as the law also says. If they desire to learn anything, let them ask their own husband at home for it is improper for a woman to speak in church. Now here's the question. Someone's going to say, but what happens if, what if the person doesn't have a husband? Same thing. Ask your father or ask a male outside of, this isn't difficult guys. This isn't that difficult. So what we do is we go and maybe it's just the women that are acting up who have husbands. I don't know, but the question is someone's going to say this only applies to women who were acting up at that church. Can I ask you guys a question? May I ask you guys a question? Are there just women in the church at Corinth or in the church at Ephesus? Are they the only ones who acted up? As a matter of fact, when we go back and look through the Bible, especially at the churches, the letter to the different churches, whether it be at Corinth, whether it be even in Ephesus, whether it be in Philippi, whether it be wherever you name it, question. Who are the biggest culprits of disorderly conduct in the body? Males or females? Simple question. For all of you all that want to disagree, I see at least one or two who want to disagree in the chats. We'll deal with it later, but for those that disagree with anyone else, who is it that was the typical culprit of problems and disorder in the church? Male or female? It's not even close. Male. As a matter of fact, name the female, name the female that Paul, James, John, Jude, Peter called out. Name the female that was called out for her disorderly conduct. Name that female, because what's happening is people are assuming that it's just women that were acting up, and they know what you're doing. You're looking for excuse to find out why Paul said what he said or why others said what they said. There are none, but we can count the name of men. Yes, Alexander. There are men, they were the biggest culprits. How do I know? Let's go back to 1 Corinthians and let's see what it says. Starting in verse, let's start in verse 26. What then is the outcome then, brethren? When you assume that Paul is writing to the church of Corinth, and there's an issue with them as it relates to spiritual things, things of the spirit. And Paul is making a statement about the disorderly conduct that's happening in the church. Look what he says. What then is the outcome then, brethren? When you assemble, when you assemble, each one of you has a psalms, has a teaching, has a revelation. Every time we get together, you always have something to say.  Each one has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has interpretation. Look what he says, let all things be done for the edification. If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or three at the most, each in turn, and one must interpret. If there's no interpreter, that person should keep silent. He didn't say a woman should keep silent, didn't say a woman should keep silent. Look what he says, verse 29, two or three prophets speak, let the others pass judgment. But if there's a revelation made, another who has seen it, the first one must keep silent. Look what he says, for you can all prophesy one by one so that all may learn and be exhorted. And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets, for God is not a God of confusion, but the peace as in all the churches of the saints. So now he invokes all the other churches as well. He says the women are to keep silent. Here's my question, especially those that do not want to listen to what I'm saying and want to find other passages, which we'll go to, but stop your typing, pay attention, and answer this question. Paul is talking about the church. Why didn't if women were, because he's not speaking about women only being out of order. Also, there are men out of order. Why didn't if it's because of women who are out of order, why didn't Paul address the men who are out of order? In this, he simply said, women keep silent. That's the problem. There is no statement where it says the men, as disorderly as men have been, we don't hear him saying that. Why is that? Because that's not the point that Paul is trying to make. Paul is trying to make it clear that women should not be up teaching and preaching over men in the church. That is the truth. Now, again, if you find a scripture, and here's the truth, if you find a scripture that proves a woman can preach, I mean to prove that a woman is to be a pastor, you can have one or two things.  One of two things. But, Corey, what about some of these other female pastors in the Bible? What about Old Phoebe? What about Priscilla? What about Junior? What about Mary? What about the woman at the well? Well, what about him? Before we get there, let's cover a few more passages. Now, we've covered where Paul has stated that he wants a woman to be silent. But before we get there, let's deal with Paul dealing with the headship. Notice what he says, 1 Corinthians 11-2, Now I praise you because you remember me and everything and hold firm to the traditions just as I deliver them to you. But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man. Let me ask a question. Let me ask a question. If Christ is the head of every man, is this cultural? Is this just for the church at Corinth? No, it's not. No, it's not. Christ is the head of every man. And the man, this is Annair, I haven't highlighted, that's a male, is the head of a woman, Gniacus, and God is the head of Christ.  But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaped. But wait a minute, Corey. Wait a minute, Corey. She's prophesying. She's prophesying. Okay. I've never said a woman could not pray or give a revelation. That's what the word prophesying means. Now, to what extent? Don't know. Don't know. All we know is it cannot contradict what else was said.  No, that's not what that means. What it says for her to be quiet. Obviously, we take that. If I say, hey, be quiet.  No. Obviously, in the context of what we're talking about, hush up. Quiet. Stop doing what you're doing. And so for the woman, he says, because he can clearly say that a woman and a man are equal. He never says that. Now, in terms of salvation, we are the same in terms of us being saved. But because he makes the distinction between male and female, that means that there are literally no more females or no more males.   For a man ought not to have his head covered. Why? Why should a man not have his head covered? Here it is. Since he is the image and the glory of God, but the woman is the glory of man, for man does not originate from what he invokes Genesis again, for man does not originate from woman, but woman from man. For indeed, man was not created for the woman's sake, but woman for the man's sake.    I'm misogynistic, clearly.  However, in the Lord, neither is woman independent of man, nor is man independent of woman, for as the woman originates from man, so also the man has his birth through the woman, and all things originate from God.  Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it dishonors him. But if one is inclined to be contentious, we have no other practice, nor have the churches of God. There are going to be those who are going to be contentious. There are going to be those who are going to say, yeah, but no, that was again, that was just for that context, that was just for that church. Well, then my question is, how many of you all who still, by show of hands, still think that what was written to Timothy, what was written to the church of Corinth, is just for that church? How many of you all still read 1 Timothy? How many of you all read 2 Timothy? How many of you all read 1 Corinthians? How many of you all still read 2 Corinthians? The very same people that would say that was for that church, for that context, two questions. Why do you still read it? And two, how did it make the cut? You do realize that Paul wrote more than 1 and 2 Corinthians, more than those two letters, he wrote other letters to the church of Corinth. As a matter of fact, Paul references previous letter or letters in 1 Corinthians. Why didn't the letter previous to 1 Corinthians make the canon? What we have all scriptures is God breathe, including this one. Paul makes a statement that all scriptures, including this scripture, is God breathe. If you disagree, please do us and yourself a favor. Throw your Bible away, you disobedient.  Throw your Bible away, you're not using it correctly. That's just the truth. Again, the Bible also tells wives, submit to your husband. Your own husband, I get that, your own husband, but it is a man as to the Lord, for the husband is the head of the wife or the husband or the man is the head of the woman. The same two words are used for husband and male or woman and wife, as Christ also is the head of the church. He himself being the savior of the body, but as the church is subject to Christ, so also let wives or women ought to be to their husbands in everything. Wait a second, in everything. Let me read it again. What does that word mean? And panty, which means in everything. So, not just, excuse me, ladies and gentlemen, not just at home, but in everything. Obviously, speaking to the church, so when we gather together, the same thing. Excuse me, all the detractors, I'm not hearing you. Now, what does Paul also say? This is the tightest, who is in current creed. He says, older women, likewise, are to be reverent in their behavior. Not malicious guys, enslaved to much wine, teaching what is good, so that they may encourage young women to love their husbands, to love their children, to be sensible, pure workers at home, to be workers at home. This is going to get me in some trouble. Ladies, y'all forgive me. Tyra Annette, y'all forgive me. Help me out, help me out. Diana, help me out. Janae, help me out. I'm going to get in some trouble. Workers at home being subject to their own husbands, so that the word of God will not be dishonored. I'm going to get in trouble. I'm going to get in trouble. Someone says, long debated topic. Every topic in the Bible is debated. Every, but what does Paul say? The time will come when people will not endure sound doctrine, but what does he say? Preach the word. Rebuke, I'm sorry, reprove those that disagree. This is 2 Timothy 4. Reprove, that is, if someone has an errant teaching, reprove them. If someone, like there are a few in the chat that still disagree, rebuke them.  That's why I'll even be so bold so you can have the challenge if I'm wrong. I'm not. We've covered this extensively and we'll keep it because there are still some people that say, yeah, but because they may have heard someone else say that, yeah, that was just for that context. That was just for that church at that time, but he didn't, he didn't rebuke the men. He never rebukes the men for their disorderly conduct. And oh, by the way, he did, he, so it was for that one church in Ephesus, but he didn't say that when he writes the letter of Ephesus. It's for that one church in Ephesus and that other one church in Corinth. Oh yeah. And that other one church in Crete. Oh yeah. And that other one church in Philippi. Oh yeah. And that other one church, please stop it. Or when God makes it, remember, we don't go very far into the Bible. We're only three chapters deep into the Bible when God sets the order. And he's not setting the order because women are so bad guys. It does not mean that women are horrible, that they're, that they're bad. No. What is the command for men in relation to women? To protect them, to cherish them, to love them. How so? As Christ loved the church. What is the command for women towards men? Honor, respect.  Now, should we respect our wives? Sure. Should wives love their husband? Sure. But there's a point that God is trying to get across and it has nothing to do with your emotions or how you feel. Nothing to do with your emotions or how you feel. But what he does tell is for the women to be a certain way. We even, listen, it's gotten to the point where even young women nowadays don't even want to hear from the older women.  And I'm just saying good luck, tongue in cheek. Of course, there's also saying is luck. But what does the Bible say? Older women are even being, women are even disrespecting men, but disrespecting older women, not willing to listen to a woman who's been through it. Who can tell you certain things? No, because I know better. Why? Because they have a desire to seek their own. I feel like, listen, I'm educated. I'm smart. I went to school. I even went to seminary. I know the Bible just as well as anyone else. Okay. You don't know it better than God. That's for sure. We don't know the Bible better than God. And so therefore we've got this issue that needs to be dealt with, and your opinions, your feelings do not matter. So what should a woman be doing? She is two ladies and gentlemen, especially ladies who are going to get upset with me. You are your primary, your first role is to your family, to your home. Yeah, I'm going to get in trouble. Yeah, I'm going to get in trouble.  Somebody is going to be upset with me, but it is the truth. This is what Paul is saying that women ought to, let's go to 1st Timothy 514. Look what Paul is saying. Therefore I want younger widows to get married. Well, why? I want them to bear children. Hold on, Paul, wait a second. Paul, Paul, Paul, Paul, Paul. Stop for a second, Paul. What's an insulting word for Paul? Misogynistic, egomaniacal, caveman. Paul, we don't have to get married. We don't find our worth in getting married and then having children says the woman who is 30 hadn't gotten married yet and is making TikTok videos about why there are no good men. Yes, Paul makes a statement under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. He says, I want you to get married.  I want you to get married and here's the problem, ladies and gentlemen. I want you to get married and bear children. Can I highlight this word right? This is going to get me in trouble. I'm in trouble already. I want you to keep the house. By the way, this word in the Greek, this word in the Greek, same thing.  Oika despotane, which is to keep the house, to run the household, to manage that. Now, the overall overseer of the household is the man, but you know who should be running the house? She should. For some reason, we've let the world tell us that it's a bad thing for the woman to do so. We've let the world tell us that it's bad for the woman to take care of the more important things. Y'all do realize that there should be this teamwork. Now, I don't want you all to think that the men have kind of carte blanche to do whatever he wants to. No, let me just stop for a second. Let me get off the women, go to the men for one second and make all of you men in the chat and those that will listen. I'm going to upset you because we're going to cover what men's role are, but I can't get past this. I can't, I can't get past this and this made me feel this small. There are times where my wife says, Corey, this, this, and this, and I'm like, dog, go on it. She's right. No, I don't tell her she's right right in there because I can't. Why? Because dog, I'm a man. I'll tell you, I'll tell you right later, right now. No, but she's right. But guess what the Bible says to you men? To you men, look what it says. First Peter, let's start in verse one, chapter three, verse one. In the same way you wives be submissive to your own husbands, we talk about that, so that even if any of them are disobedient to the word, they may be won without a word by the behavior of their wives. As they observe your chaste and respectful behavior, there it is for women. Your adornment must not be merely external. Don't just try to look cute, braiding the hair and wearing gold jewelry or putting on dresses, but let it be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable quality of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is precious in the sight of God. That's the person that you want to impress more than anything else. Yeah, Russ White, chaste. That's the person that you want to impress, not that you want to impress the man. You do want to, that's your husband, but you want to impress God that you would be precious in the sight of God. Look what it says, for in this way, in former times, the holy women also who hoped in God used to adorn themselves being submissive to their own husband, just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord. I said to my honey, I said, wife, how cool it be if you called me Lord? She looked at me, with her arms crossed. I'll call you, my lady. That didn't go over well. But just as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him Lord, and it wasn't as she was saying, you're all of that. That's not what I'm saying. But what Sarah was doing was recognizing that Abraham is responsible. And if things go bad, Abraham, you're the one that's going to get it. And he said, and you have become her children. If you do what is right, you have become whose children, Sarah's children. If you do what's right without being frightened by unfair.  Look what he says, guys, pay attention.  If you want to be something special, if you want to grow, maybe in your career, maybe in your health, maybe in your life, maybe even in your walk with Christ. Do not pray ever again if you don't take care of this woman, if you don't honor her, if you don't love her, if you don't treat her how God wants you to. Don't even pray. Throw your Bible away.   Why do I say that? Because he says, and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life. Look what he says, so that your prayers will not be hindered. Why are you praying? Why are you praying? Why are you praying if you won't take care of her? Now, we've got one person says that, I don't know, I guess the person is not fond of the Bible. But Cory, what's the difference between Cory and a Hebrew Israelite? Simple. I understand the Bible. I'm not a Hebrew Israelite. By the way, stop typing. Stop typing and pay attention. You are so far from the truth, it's like you're, you are so far from the truth as far as the East is from the West. I don't believe in multiple wives. I believe in the scripture. I believe that Jesus saves all if all places, if they place their faith in Christ. But we're literally using the scriptures, fellas, fellas, men, guys, if you don't honor her, do not even pray. Think about it, a useless prayer.  If you're sinning and if you have not honored your wife, it's hard sometimes. I get it, but still God didn't, God didn't give you a way out just like he didn't give her a way out. And so going back to the woman, he tells us that she has to manage the house. He's got responsibilities. She's got responsibilities. We are a team. You do your thing. I do my thing. And then let's see how it works out. It does not work out. Now, some are going to say though, some are going to say, but again, we're still going with the scriptures because he tells us, he tells why I've submit men, the headship and so forth. But what can a woman do? Are you mean tell me, Corey, that a woman cannot ever give the gospel? A woman cannot give a revelation? A woman cannot ever speak? Let's say there are men out on the street, amen, or men who don't understand the scriptures. There's a woman who has placed her faith in Christ. She's a child of the Lord. Can she ever say anything? Sure, she can. First of all, those men aren't part of the church. And two, she is to give a revelation. The Bible is clear on that part. How do I know? Well, let's go to the woman at the well. Where do I have? Oh, there she is in John chapter four. We see Jesus speaking to this woman at the well, and let's move to the good part. Jesus is speaking to her. And let's go to the good part, by the way. Let's go to where Jesus shows who he is. He says verse 16, go call your husband. Why do I have this right here? Hold on one second. I don't know why I have, oh, I know what I did. I was messing around and took, because I wanted to, I wanted to highlight the Greek, but I was showing different translations. So look what he says. He says to the woman, go and call your husband. That is Andra. That's a male. And come here. The woman answered him, I have no husband. She said, Luke echo Andra. I think this is so cool. Luke echo Andra. Jesus said to her, you are right in saying I have no husband. Jesus didn't say, Jesus did not say it the same way, Luke echo Andra. He stated it differently. He says, you're right in saying I have no husband, but how did Jesus say it? He says, instead of Luke echo Andra, he says Andra, Luke echo. He put the emphasis on the male, this man you do, a husband you do not have, and the one that you do have, five you have had, and the one that's with you now is not your husband. It's not your man.  Well, duh, duh, and duh again. But now notice what is stated over here. What does she do? He says, the hour is coming and now is here when the true worship will worship the father, the spirit and truth.  The woman says, I know the Messiah is coming. And so what does he say? I who speak to you and he echo and make what happens then then she goes and tells the people is this could this be the one? And so in verse 39, many submitters from that town believed in him because of the woman's testimony. Can a woman give her testament? Can she state what Christ has done for the world and for her life? Sure, she can. As a matter of fact, we all are to do so. But now, are we to do so in the confines of the church? No, we are not. Now, what about there are certain people in the Bible who seem to be doing so? What about Priscilla and Aquila? Well, first of all, it is her and her husband. She's not usurping authority. We don't see her doing anything by herself. We see her doing it with the husband. Now, to what degree that they're doing, we don't know. And so we can't assume that she's leading. We have no idea what we do know is Aquila is there with her. Amen. So you could not begin to say that. And oh, by the way, she's speaking to people who don't get it. Now, she does take a man. Matter of fact, let's go to Acts 1826 and he began to speak out boldly in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him aside and explained to him the way of God more accurately. Was Priscilla, ladies and gentlemen, a pastor? Was she a deacon? Was she an apostle? No. Now, the Lord could have chosen an apostle who was a woman. When they are choosing apostles to replace Judas in Acts 1, it said it must be, matter of fact, let's go to them. Let's go to Acts 1. I think this is important. Acts 1. Therefore, it is necessary that one of the men who have accompanied us all the time. So, qualification one, it must, one, you have to have seen Christ, but that's the second qualification. The first qualification is it must be a man. How do I know? Here's the word. Andron, that's a male. He could have easily, if the Lord has made it now to where women, the office is open to them, they said it must be a man, not an anthropos, someone of mankind, or a certain person, no Andron, a male. And even when they started choosing those to kind of help out with the orderly distribution of different things in the church, what was it that they chose? It had to be a male. They chose seven males amongst the males. Amen. So, but what about Cory? A woman can't be a deacon? Well, I say no, but you say, well, what about, what about Phoebe? Okay, let's go to Phoebe, and then we'll get to the one that everyone is talking about, Julian. I commend to you our sister Phoebe. I commend to you our sister Phoebe. I want you all to meet Phoebe, Phoebe, who is a servant of a church. Diaconante's ecclesias. She is a servant of a church. Is she a deacon in terms of an office? Or is she a servant? Because there has to be distinction. Everyone that serves a church, a servant of a church, are they in the office of a servant? Well, let's go back again to the qualifications. Let's not deal with Timothy. Since someone's going to say, well, he's just speaking to the church in Ephesus, although he makes the exact same claims, not just to Timothy, but he makes the same claim or the same qualifications for the church when he's speaking to Titus, who, by the way, is in Crete. So he says, let's find the roles for a deacon. I'm sorry, I'll be finding this out. Oh, I'm sorry. There it is. I'm sorry, ladies and gentlemen. So in Titus, he says, to appoint elders to move down, holding fast faith where there are many rebellious men. Now, by the way, I guess you could make the point that this is speaking of. Matter of fact, no, I'll take it back. He's speaking of this in terms of just everybody, not just men. Hold on one second. Let me type this in. Going to, matter of fact, let's go ahead and jump to Titus, Timothy. I'm sorry. We've covered the qualifications of a man. I mean, of a pastor, shepherd, elder, overseer, presbyter, Episcopos, deacons likewise must be men of dignity, must be men of dignity. Now, this word right here for Simeon, this is for males. Simeonus, this is for males. Semnus, dignity of men of dignity, not double tongue or dignity of much wine or final sort of gain, but holding to the mystery. These men must be also first tested, let them serve as deacons. Wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second. This is important. Deacons must first serve as deacons. Wait a second. Does that make any sense? Why would he say deacons must serve as deacons? Let's look it again. Deacons likewise must be men, the word male is used. These men must also first be tested, let them serve as deacons. Now, this word that's used here is a verb. Wait a second. If they are beyond reproach. So this word deacon here is the verb that says that they must serve as, before they have the office of a deacon, they must serve as the verb. Before they can have the noun, they must be the verb. Are you with me? Say that again. Yeah. I want to make sure you guys understand this. Before they can have the noun or be in the position of the noun deacon, they must serve as the verb deacon. Here it is. Your English says deacon, but the Greek word that's used here is daika netoson, which is the verb. So they must serve as servants. Before they can be the servant, the office of a servant, they must serve as someone who is serving. Well, who do we know does that? Well, we see another example of, by the way, this word servant or deacon is used of other people other than just Phoebe, but she is a servant. She serves the church, but she's not in the position. Otherwise, Paul, who writes this letter, would be contradicting himself, saying that Phoebe is a deacon, although deacons must be males. Are you guys with me? But then what about, let me type this one in, because people are going to want to have this question. Junia, Romans 16 verse 7. Greet Mary who has worked hard for you, greet Andronicus, and Junius, my kinsmen and fellow prisoners who are outstanding among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me. Question, is Junia an apostle? Because they're going to be with those who want to say that she's an apostle. First of all, we don't even know if Junia is a male or a female. One of the reasons why scholars would say that Junia is probably a male is because of what preceded or what's in that same verse. Go back to verse 7. Greet Andronicus and Junius, my kinsmen and my fellow prisoners who are outstanding among the apostles. Now, the question is, and we don't know if Paul is speaking of, that she also or he also or whoever Junia was, were they also a prisoner? Because he didn't say prisoner of Christ. You could say that it's ambiguous. But if he's speaking about a prisoner who was actually caged up in chains, well then it's highly unlikely that Junia was a female. But even more to the point, Junia was not an apostle who are outstanding among the apostles. Junia is not included as an apostle. How do I know? Because he says outstanding epistome, moe, and toys, apostles. Among the apostles, not of the apostles, not toys, apostles, no, among the apostles. So whether Junia was a male or a female, and again, we have no idea. There's just no way to know because there's not much mention of Junia. But even if Junia was a female, fine. What is clear is Junia was not an apostle, nor was Andronicus. Neither were apostles. So you can't turn to Junia and say Junia was an apostle. No. What about Mary? She's the first person that the Lord revealed himself to and sent her out as an evangelist. Really? Because the first to preach the gospel was not her. The first to preach the gospel were those 11 that he had, those that he handpicked and trained them. The very same people who the first received the Holy Spirit on the Day of Pentecost were those 12 apostles. But wait a second, Cory. The Bible says that, let's go to Acts 2, Acts 2, where the Bible says that the Spirit will be poured out on all men and male and females will prophesy. So what gives, Cory? Now you say that women, let's go to Acts 2, let's start in 17, and she'll be in the last days, guys, as I'll pour out my Spirit on all mankind, and your sons and your daughters, well, that's clearly female, shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall see dreams. I'm sorry, dream dreams. Even on my bond service, both men and female, I will pour, I will in those days pour forth my Spirit, and they shall prophesy. So can women prophesy? Sure. Don't have a problem with that at all, because the Bible just said so. Women can prophesy. We've got Philip, whose daughters didn't call, notice, Philip's daughters are not called prophets, they just say they prophesy. They prophesy. So the Scripture is not saying, not calling Philip's daughters prophets. He says they are prophesying. There's the verb issues there, nothing else. As a matter of fact, let's just go there. I didn't type this in, so let me go pull this up. Uh-oh. We're going to pull it because someone is going to say, Cory, what about them? So let's pull it up on the screen. Give me one second. All right. Oh, I went too far. Let me find it. We move down further. I know it's, uh-huh. Okay, I think I'm going to want it now. Wait a minute, I'm missing something. Wait a second. Hold on. Why can't I find it? I know this is an X. Did I go past it? Let's do it this way. This is easier to do it this way. Yeah, I thought so. I know I'm in the right spot. Oh, there it is. I'm sorry. I went too far. Okay. Now, this man had four virgin daughters who were, now, your Bible says they were prophetesses, and they were staying there for some days, a prophet in Agba's. Now, this word, prophetesses, is not the correct English word. Cory, how can you say that? Here's how I can say that. Go over to the right, and I'll leave it up so that you guys can see it. This word, do y'all see right below me? It says that this is a verb, present active participle, to prophesy. This is a verb. You notice the verb because it is in the sigma alpha iota. So these ladies prophesied. They're not called prophets. Are you guys with me? Now, does that really mean anything whether they were prophets or whether they prophesying? No, but the point is they didn't hold an official capacity. They were prophesying. Okay. Let me do it again. Someone says I want to take a screenshot. So what's highlighted here. So I want you guys to see that right below. If you guys can see it. Yeah. Wait a second. Uh-oh. Hold on. I don't think let me move this. Let me make this because I don't, I don't, can you guys see that? Is it showing up on your screen? Let's do it again. Okay. I want you guys, it wasn't showing. So they were, they were prophesying. The English is where sometimes the Greek does help. The English states that it's a, it's a noun, but the Greek is clear. This is a verb, prophet to a suicide. They are prophesying. Are you with me guys?  We don't have a woman of, we don't have a pass of a woman being in named New Testament church office. Not one. Now what can they do? Everything that every, everything that every male can do in the pew, every woman can do. Sing, pray, praise. Can she be in the choir and sing? Sure. Can she sing a solo? Sure. Not a problem. But in terms of giving direction and leading males in the church, she cannot. So I want this to be bundling clear. Corbyn, we talk about this a lot. We're going to talk about it forever. We're going to talk about it probably a thousand more times until Christ comes. We're going to talk about salvation a billion more times till Christ comes. We're going to talk about tongues a million more times till Christ comes. We're going to talk about the Sabbath, tithing, giving, love, fellowship, everything in the Bible we're going to constantly talk about. Now, if you disagree, that's fine. I didn't write the Bible and so if a person disagrees, here is now the time that if a person wants to say, Cor, I disagree. Here's the reason why. Now the floor is yours. So if there's anyone that disagrees, by the way, before I'm saying this, let me also thank you folks for the Superchats, OG McFire. Thank you so much for the Superchat. Also for Horace Reed. Thank you, brother, for Superchat and Monologon. Thank you as well. Now back to this. Let's see. If a, if a woman preaches, is it a sin? What depends on where she preaches at? It depends on where she preaches at, how she do it. If she's in the pulpit doing so, well, yeah, that's a problem because again, the Bible says so. Okay. So, but for anyone else, listen, if you disagree, no problem. If you got a question, if I disagree, put a Q or a giant question only on this topic and then we can cover it. Can God use a woman to, can God use a woman to teach men and women? Yes or no? Well, if she is, let's say in the, in the, as far as Priscilla and Aquila, she's got her husband with her and they're a team. She can be used. Can she be used outside the church to a person who is not saved? Sure, let's say she's by herself. Sure. How silly would it be if there's a man who's unsaved once the other gospel, there's a woman around. She, I'm not going to do it. Now I can't do it. Well, no, we're not going to let them go to hell. That's, that's not what the Bible is speaking about. Okay. What about women teaching Bible studies like young adults Bible studies? If these are men there in the Bible studies, she can't do it. Well, he, but he's 21. He didn't know any better. Still, he's a man. Now, someone going to make the distinction. Let's say if they're teenagers, I think that's okay if they're, if they're children, I wouldn't, I wouldn't personally have a problem with that because the Bible doesn't say that she could not, because they are to teach the, the young women and their children. But as a man, no. If a, if men are under a woman as a pastor, does that show that they are weak men? I don't want to say that they're weak men. They could just be ignorant. They could just, just be unknowing.  Don't say that I am sending. Tell me why I'm sending. I think if I say you're sending, I'm going to give you the scriptures. So give me, give me why, give me why. Here's the problem. God, give me how I'm sending. She says, God never said women couldn't be preachers. Paul did. Okay. God sold. My question. Do you read Romans? Do you read the book of Romans? First and second Corinthians? Do you read Ephesians? Do you read first and second Thessalonians? Do you read Philippians? Romans.  This, I've been, I've been waiting for, I've been waiting for this moment. Let's help. Let's turn this on and I will do this. Let me copy the link and give it to you. All right, my dear, there is a link. You are God's soul. You are invited to come on. Now only matter of fact, let's do this. Anybody else who believes I'm incorrect about this, you are more than welcome to come on. Not someone to talk about anything else, just about this. Been looking for women who were willing to do so. And so we'll go ahead and have this conversation. Problem is because there are just too few women or men who disagree and are willing to say why they disagree. So I've got you already queued up and so forth. So whenever you are ready to come on, let me know. Matter of fact, let's do this. Let's unlock that so that way I can bring you on. Oh, by the way, while I am, well, if you, okay, I'll tell you what, you can call in.  That's fine. I'll do that for you. But let me put the link. The link is on the screen again. Let me do it again. That's the link. If you so, if you see the link, you are more than welcome to come on. So I've only asked for this because I could be wrong. I could be wrong, but I can only be wrong if you give me the scriptures. So I'm open to that. And I will listen. I will take this channel and all the subscribers on this and that one and so forth. And I will say, don't go on it. I was wrong. This young lady showed me the scriptures and proved her point. However, if you cannot prove your point, I would also humbly ask that you repent and you say, you know what, I'm wrong. I'm wrong. I want to be a pastor. I want to be a preacher. I want to be that could be the case. That could be now me. What do you mean? There's no link there. The link is you is actually there. Diana just put the link up again. So do you, can you see the link? Let me know, sweetheart. If you can see the, can you, can you, can the rest of you guys see the link? Maybe it's just, maybe it's just me and Diana that can see the link, but can the rest of you guys see this link? Okay. Yeah. If everyone else can see the link, everyone can see the link that I put in that I put in so everyone can see the link. So I just want to make sure I see the link also in the live stream chats, but the issue is going to be because guys, the bigger problem in women, the problem has nothing to do is, is not so much about women preaching. The problem has everything to do with people exceeding the text, not doing what the text says. Let's go to this passage. I love this text, by the way. First current things. Now we probably can't use this text. Why? Because Paul's not God and Paul makes this statement. Paul says, now these things, brother, I have theoretically applied to myself and Paul for your sakes. Why? So that in us, you may learn not to exceed what is written. What does the scripture say? And we don't want to exceed that. We don't want to go beyond the bounds of the scriptures. Amen. Okay. Here we go. Let me, let me do this. Click on that. Alrighty. Okay. Here we go. So Hello. Hello. Can you hear me? Can you hear me? I can hear, I can hear you well. Okay. So now tell me where, where I am. I'm wrong. When it comes to female preachers, you're definitely wrong about that. Why? Well, because this, the main scripture that you always use and most people use to validate the reason why females can't be pastors or ministers is in first, I think it's second Timothy chapter 12. I mean, I'm sorry. Second Timothy. Let me look it up real quick. Hold on. Because I'm like, hold on one second. Hold on. Okay. Hold it up on my thing here. First Timothy 2, I think it's verse 12. Okay. So the King James version. Let me go to it. All right. So yeah, that particular scripture, it clearly says, but I suffer not a woman to teach nor to use authority over the man, but to be in silence. But that scripture is saying, but I suffer not. It doesn't say God said that women are not supposed to teach or to have authority over a man. It doesn't. Okay. Now that's not the only passage I use, but so are we going to say everything else that Paul says is to be taken away as well? Not that it should be taken away, but that we should be able to rightfully divide the word. Because there are some things that Paul says as well that he clearly says he is saying and not the Lord, but it's scripture. So there's another passage where back in Genesis where God said that when he looked at Adam and he said that it's not good for me to be alone, that I will make you a help me. But then when we go into Corinthians, I believe it's in Corinthians where the apostle Paul is saying that he will rather that we be as he is. But if we cannot, we cannot contain, then it's better to marry than to burn. But Paul was saying that based on his preference on his opinion, but not what God's word says. So he said, I command, he said, this is not a command. He said he was like, this is not a command, but this is something that he was saying. And then other other scriptures, I believe it's later on in that same chapter, he's clearly saying, I am not I, but the Lord commands this. So there's certain scriptures where he's saying that he's speaking. And then other scriptures where he's saying that the Lord is speaking. And so he clarifies that. Okay. Let's go to that passage. That's in 1 Corinthians 7. So he says, he says, but to the rest, I say not the Lord, that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever and she consents to live with him. Now, here's him saying, he says so, but not the Lord. So it seems to be that he's clearly giving his opinion, right? Correct. And I'll agree with that. He is saying this, not the Lord, but I, right? But if we go back to 1 Timothy, he doesn't say that, but I do not allow, as a matter of fact, the word that's used here, it is, let me just, I'm going to go through this kind of slow out because I know some guys might not understand the Greek. It says, the Dasgain, the Gnaika, the Epetrapo. So he's not saying, now the I is implied, it's embedded in it, but he's not saying that it's I, me only. That's not how you can take that Greek. He's not saying that it's just me, the Lord is okay with it, but I'm saying so. Even in the English, the English doesn't say what 1 Corinthians 7 says. He's not saying in 1 Timothy that not the Lord, but I, he's saying I do not allow, but Paul is using the Greek verb that comes with the possessive pronoun, the first person possessive pronoun in that. Paul is not saying though that it's okay. It's okay. I just would rather you not. Okay. Because if we're going to say that, well, then all of the other things that Paul says in regards to this, all the other things that we're going to have to say that Paul shouldn't be taken the same way. Paul, because what, what, when we read the rest of 1 Timothy, do we disregard that or 2 Timothy or the rest of 1 Corinthians or 2 Corinthians or Philippians or Ephesians? Peter says that all of Paul's writings are scripture. So here's my question. When Peter says that all of his writings are scriptures, what do we do with that? Well, if Peter is saying that all, all of Paul's writing is scripture, then that would be actually inaccurate. When it, when you actually look at the scriptures, because there's some things apparently that Paul clearly said that it wasn't the Lord who commanded it, but him. So it, again, like we have to consider the scriptures. We have to be able to divide it rightfully because again, God is not going to contradict himself. And when we look back in judges chapter four, this is just one example. He had a prophetess who was also the judge of Israel at that time and she judge Israel. I'm not exactly sure for how many years you may know that, but I know she judged Israel and she gave them also instruction from the Lord. So and she instructed the men in particular on what they need to do for battle. Okay. We don't know how long Deborah judged. We're not sure, but a couple of things about Deborah judging. One, Deborah is not, Deborah was not a priest, nor she was a prophet, nor was Deborah a pastor. We're talking about the church. And by the way, no one could ever say that God doesn't use women. No one's ever said that. I wouldn't say that. But in what role, in what capacity, Paul is not contradicting God and God is not contradicting himself. Paul gives his opinion or a preference and Paul in that point tells us it's his preference. It's him saying, given us good wise counsel, do this. Is it a command for those women? I said exactly his preference, not God's preference. So wait a second. Israel, when you mentioned the church in Israel, it's really symbolic of the same thing because Israel was God's chosen people. Israel was God's chosen people. Those were his people that was considered his church, his body at that moment, at that time in that era. And now we are still his body. So God can use anybody. If God can use a female donkey to speak and rebuke a man, he can use a female woman to speak and speak and give instructions from him. Let me help you out. Yes, God can use a donkey. Our donkey's called to preach. We need to stop using the fact that he used a donkey. He didn't call, he didn't, he didn't, the donkey didn't give the gospel. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Deborah never once gave the gospel. We need to understand what a judge did. A judge just simply, they would go and they would make their decision. Deborah gave the word of God. Don't separate the gospel and the word of God. The word of God is the gospel. The word God, Deborah gave or Deborah gave, prophetess Deborah gave the men of God or the men of Israel instructions, direct divine instructions from God that none of the other men in Israel could hear. Deborah gave the word of God. The gospel of Jesus Christ is the very word of God. It's the good news to tell them that they no longer need to sacrifice lambs and oxes and sheep for their sins to be forgiven. It's the good news. So let me ask you a question. So what is your example? What is your definition of preaching? Because preaching the gospel is just given the word of God to someone else. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. But it has no gender attached to it, sir. Hold on, hold on. First of all, we do have passages where gender is attached. You said, what is the definition? How do we know? I didn't say a woman cannot give the gospel. As a matter of fact, I just said that a woman could give the gospel.  Sure they can. I just used the four daughters of Philip. Clearly a woman can. That's not the question. The question is, can they give the gospel or can they serve in a certain capacity? If the Bible gives us qualifications of a pastor, do we say that now those qualifications are no longer valid? So when Paul gives us qualifications in 1 Timothy and in Titus, are those no longer qualifications valid? It's not that it's not valid. It's that you have to consider the error that you're living in. At that particular time, the error you're living in, women didn't even have rights. We literally, women as women, we just got rights probably within 200 years ago, even in the United States. Women didn't have certain rights at that time. So he was speaking, that's why he clearly said, but I suffered not a woman to teach. He said, I, he didn't say that the Lord said that. Nowhere in the scriptures does it say that the Lord did said that.  It doesn't say that your daughter shall prophesy to women only and teach women only in the church. It doesn't specify that.  Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Let's go back and forth. Here's my question. Here's my question. Someone prophesying is that the same as being a pastor? It's not the same as being a pastor, but it is the same as speaking to anyone, male or female, when it comes to in the church. Wait a second. Wait a second. Wait a second. I asked the question. And now what you're doing is you're adding to it. So prophesying is not the same as being a pastor. Do what? What? I said prophesying. Prophecying is not the same as being a pastor. I agree with you. It's not when the Bible gives us qualifications for a pastor. By the way, let's be clear. You cannot come back and say that in that context, the women didn't have rights because in Ephesus, that is not a Jewish enclave. They did. As a matter of fact, we had women who we had different deities for these pagan cultures for the women. The women did have more rights and more freedoms in Ephesus and other places than they did in Judea. So when Paul is making this statement, he's making this statement, not the Jewish. He's making this statement too. I'm sorry? Based on what proof do you have? Because as we can even see with that adulterous woman that they all wanted to stone, she had to commit adultery with someone else. But unfortunately, she was the only one there. Hold on. That's Judea. What was the man at? She had more rights, but she was the one condemned. You're conflating things. You're conflating things.  You're bringing up what happened. I'm sorry. I'm tying the scriptures together as an example. Hold on. Hold on.  You don't have proof that they had more rights. Do what? It's what I'm saying. You don't have proof that they had more. Hold on one second. I'll be there in one. Just give me a minute. I'm sorry. You don't have proof that they didn't have rights. That's just your opinion or your assumption based on what you have researched. Hold on. Hold on. If I don't have proof that they had more rights, you don't have proof that they didn't have rights. I still have proof because what is written, Paul said, but I suffer not a woman to teach in the church. But as we can clearly see and before the New Testament, that there were many women of God, even besides the Borah, but we're going to stick with the Borah for this conversation that had authority over a man. You've got one woman. Wait a second. Hold on. Wait a second. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Deborah was a prophet over Israel. And a judge. And a judge. That's fine. She was a judge. She judged Israel. Hold on. Hold on. Paul is talking about a specific office. But now that being the case, let's run down the list of women who had authority, who had biblical authority over either Israel or the church. Let's start naming down the women. We got Deborah. Let's not go through all of that. Let's stick on to where we're at. The reason why you can't go. You said earlier that she doesn't qualify or women doesn't qualify as pastor. Hold on. I'm going to come back to that. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. What is your name? He never gave the definition of pastor. He gave the definition of a bishop. A bishop is not the same as a pastor. Rachel. Rachel. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Listen. You said there are, before when I'm asked a question, you said there are many women who have had, okay, other than Deborah, name one. I don't want to go into that because then we're going to go into other topics with these other women. Okay. That's fine. That's fine. Rachel, the reason, Rachel, the reason why I asked that question is because when people make the statement that there are, that God has always used these women, so many women. And then when I asked them to name the so many women, they can't. That's the point. They can't go and name women. That's your point that you're trying to make. I'm trying to make the very point up on topic. Whereas women can speak or be met or woman of God in the church or be pastors in the church. I'm not saying that they can be apostles or bishops or anything like that. I'm just saying that they can teach in the church. They can speak unto men in the church. It doesn't take just a man, a gender of a man to speak to God's people. It does not. Okay. Rachel, what is your definition of a pastor? A pastor. So a pastor is someone who God said in the Old Testament that he will give pastors after his own heart. He did not specify male or female. He said he would get pastors after his heart. And Timothy, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, slow down with me, hold on, hold on. I'm not crying. Paul is explaining the office of a bishop. No, hold on, wait a second, wait, hold on sweetheart, wait a second. I'm trying to, I'm trying to catch up with you. You said that in the Old Testament guys said that he would give pastors. He would, yes, he said he would get pastors after his own heart. Where? Okay. Let me find it. Hold on. I'm coming. Just give me a second. All right, go to Jeremiah 315. Jeremiah 315. Yes. You can breathe and put it online. Okay. There we go. That I will give you shepherds after my own heart who will feed you on knowledge and understanding. It shall be in those days when you are multiplied and increased in the land, declares the Lord, they will no longer say the ark of the covenant of the Lord, and it will not come to mind nor will they remember it, nor will they miss it, nor will it be made again. Okay. So now, so this is, this is you saying this is what a shepherdy, I'm sorry, put it back on the screen. This is you saying this is what a shepherdy is, right? Can you go to the King James version please? Can you go to the King James version please? Okay. I'll give you the King James version. Hold on one second. I'll put the King James version. Okay.  Okay. Fine. And I will give you pastors according to my own heart. It's the same Hebrew word. The Hebrew word that's used there is the word row, which is a shepherd. That's what the word, the word, the Hebrew word literally means shepherd, which is fine. I don't, because a pastor shepherd is the same thing. And so in the New Testament, do we have, and so now my question is, what is a shepherd in the church? What is, what is a shepherd or pastor in the church? What's the definition? That was the question I asked. Well, my definition would be someone who watches over the flock, basically God's people. They teach them the word of God, which gives the people of God faith and increases their faith and their learning of God. That's what a shepherd is. A pastor is, is basically someone who watches over the sheep, teaches them the word of God, and you know, just basically watches for their souls. Okay. So do we have anywhere where there are qualifications for a pastor or shepherd? I'm not sure. I know there's some things that it just says about as a whole, like everyone is still required to be holy.  So only thing that I remember seeing from, you know, from my recollection is the bishop. The bishop has to be blameless. The husband of one wife and things like that, but not the pastor, not saying that the pastor is not required until holiness as well. But just as far as the bishop, yeah, there's something definitely there for the bishop, but I haven't, I don't remember seeing for pastors. So you don't think that the pastor is the same as a pastor shepherd is the same as a bishop, a bishop or an elder? Elder, I think that elder is just kind of hot. What's the word I'm looking for? It's like it's kind of like a one word fits all for anyone that is in leadership of the church is considered an elder of the church. Let's go ahead. Bishop is like a bishop. Honestly, a bishop is an apostle because I know you talk about that too. That'd be a whole number, another conversation, but a bishop is actually an apostle. Okay, let's let's let's go to first Peter five one. Okay. Therefore, I exhort the elders. Okay. Now the word for elders is the word presbuteros. I exhort elders among you as your fellow elder, which is what Paul is also. I mean, Peter, Peter says he's a fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed. Here's this word shepherd the flock. This is from the Greek word. In this case, it is. So a shepherd is the same as a point. The reason why I say and the reason why it's important to understand what a point man point man is, is let me put something on the screen. Also, let me type this in. Let's go to Ephesians. Ephesians, I'm sorry, I typed Ephesians wrong. Ephesians four, eleven, and he gave some of the apostles, some as prophets, some as evangelists, and some as, here's that word, pastors or shepherds. The word for pastors is the word point manas. Going back to first Peter five, the same word for shepherd is used there of an elder. Okay, so an elder is a shepherd. Oh, by the way, this same word presbyteros. Let's go to Titus. Let's go to Titus one and see the word the shoes there. Qualifications of an elder. Guess what this word is for elder. So he gives the qualification for the elder, the shepherd, the pastor. It's the same word for the same Greek word presbyteros. Okay, so a pastor shepherd is the same thing as an elder. And so what's the qualification of this elder pastor shepherd? He is a man, same qualifications. Okay, so the pastor elder shepherd same as a bishop or overseer, a male, you can't get past that the shepherds are males. Okay. So you that's not what that means. That's not what means. That's not what that means. You just, you made it because there's a lot of times in the Bible where it's just referring to man, but it's actually talking about men and women. Okay, let's go back to it. Then that's fine. That's fine. Listen, he says, namely, hold on, wait a second. I know what you're going to go to, because it says about a husband, a one wife. I understand that that is written there. What I'm saying to you is we still need just like your time, you're going back and forth from the Greek to the, to the Hebrew Bible, you're going back and forth to this, to, you know, to the scriptures, and you're tying the same words and things like that together is the same way that the same thing we got to do with the scriptures. Because like I said earlier, it clearly says, but Paul said, I suffer not. It didn't say God said. Wait a second. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on, Rachel, let's back up. You said I made that up. No, not that you made that up, but that you're just, you're making, you're taking scriptures that's fitting your narrative of you not wanting a female pastors or females to be preachers and of the gospel or in the church. But wait a second. He says he gives the qualifications of them being males in acts. Hold on, wait a second. Wait a second. In acts. Where did God say it though? Where did God say that? Wait a second. Rachel, hold on. Rachel, Rachel, couple of things in acts. When they chose, when they chose deacons, when they chose apostles, the qualification had to be males. When they chose deacons, males, women cannot be deacons. At that time, at that particular time, they were not, women were not allowed to even probably come outside with her hair. Okay.  Now go ahead and prove that women couldn't have that at that time. What passage, what is your proof to say that, that the women in Crete or the women in Corinth or the women in Ephesus didn't have those rights? Because of what he said, he said I sought women to teach or to have authority over the man. No, no, no, no. We're talking about, wait a second. We are talking about his qualifications. That's evident right there. What, no. So every, so, okay. So from now on, if what Paul said in 1 Timothy 2, you take that as first of all, what he says in 1 Corinthians 7, he says, I don't allow, you're going to say that now that's just Paul's opinion and not God. So, and then you're going to, hold on. And so then, let me see if I'm following you though. So Paul makes that statement in 1 Corinthians 7. You then extrapolate that and apply that to what he says in 1 Timothy 2. So are you also applying what Paul says as his opinion in Ephesians, in Philippians, in Romans 1 and 2 Thessalonians? Are you also applying everything else that Paul says as his opinion? Sir, I'm sure the, the, the author of the epistle is not divided against himself. He's not going to say one thing in one letter and then another in another letter. His doctrine between letters are going to be the same. Okay. So, of course, so when he says, so when he says in 1 Timothy, of course, is going to tie together when it's coming from them out of Paul. But again, I said to you, I clearly showed early, earlier where, where God is commanding him to say something, he, he makes that known. And when he's just given his opinion, just like I said earlier, I'll say it again, that when God said in the very beginning in Genesis that it is not good for man to be alone, I will make him a help me for him. Okay. I believe it's Genesis chapter two. So he said that God said that, but then Paul said in 1 Corinthians that it is good for man to be alone. My question, even as this is what Paul said, but that's not what Paul said. That's what Paul said. Who wrote that? So what I'm telling, listen to me. Okay. Don't tell me, I'm good. So what I'm saying is, is, is the same thing. You have to be able to tie that together once at one scripture. Paul is speaking another scripture. God is telling Paul what to say. It's not always just because, okay. So if you look at it, just give me a minute.  Sorry about that. So just when you look at it, like, look at it like this, if I was a new person coming into the gospel, right? And so I looked at the scriptures and I read, somebody just came to me and said that one scripture where it says, it's better for us to be on that Paul said, and I don't tie all the scriptures in together or tying what God said. I would think in my heart, oh, well, maybe I shouldn't be married. Maybe I should, I should only be by myself so I can just have more time for God and no time for anything else because it would interfere with my relationship with God. So in my mind, that's what I'm thinking. But without tying the scriptures in together, he's saying, I say this, not the Lord. He's clearly saying that. So if we don't go up to the scripture rate of it and Lord said, I say this, not the Lord, we will think that the scripture that he's saying below it is for us without tying in the fact that God made man for women or women for men. So all I'm saying is that we need to tie them together. And of course, like I said earlier, apostle Paul is going to say the exact same thing throughout all his epistles that he wrote or had someone else write. Like Timothy wrote some of those epistles, but Paul's the one who spoke them. So and we know this. So he is going to be the same thing. He's going to say the same thing. And of course, I said before at in that time, at that time of, you know, when they were, when they were preaching the gospel and things like that, of course, but God, okay, so he's my question. He's going to be able to, he's going to pour his spirit out on all of us. Women are going to be able to teach, women are going to be able to preach in miniature because that's just how God has it. So here's my question. Here's my question. Who wrote Acts? I don't remember who wrote Acts. Luke wrote Acts. Luke wrote the book of Luke and the book of Acts. Okay. Okay. And so Luke gives an account of them choosing apostles and choosing deacons. Okay. Not an opinion. This is what, then this isn't Paul. So here we have in Acts, we have Luke given this verification. Oh, by the way, who tells Luke this? Well, the other possible is more unlikely. Most of it probably came from Peter. Peter is the one that talks about elders and shepherds being the same. Okay. Moses tells us that a woman will have a desire for a man. She will want to, there's going to be this striving, but he shall rule over her. Now, does that only apply to just in the household, but not the church, not the body? Well, no, it applies to all of it because we saw where Paul says this is in all things. Now, what you can't do, Rachel, nor can anyone else do, you cannot pick and choose which parts of Paul is authoritative and the rest are just his opinion. When he tells us his opinion, then finally we take that. I would rather that you remain as I am, but if you can't, rather than burn, get married. That's not Paul's opinion there. That is, that is a fact. Rather than go out and list what I'm about to tell you. That is Paul's opinion. You're not hearing what I'm saying. You didn't hear what I said. You didn't hear what I said. That is, that's not Paul's opinion. That's a fact that if you go out and you sin, then you're going to be in trouble. So rather than sinning, get married. That's the point I'm trying to make. You cannot take, you cannot take, you cannot take. Let me ask you a question. Let me ask you a question. Do you believe it? And I'm going somewhere real quick with this, but I want to see if you can prove my, if I can prove my point with you. Just yes or no. Do you believe in, in tongues? You there? Rachel? Okay. I don't know. I don't know if we got, if we got cut off or not. Can you ask again if it's out? Okay. Yeah. Do you believe in tongues? That's me. Do you believe in tongues? Speaking with other tongues? Yes. Okay. What are tongues for? Tongues for the believer. It's to edify, edifies the believer. Okay, stop. That's all I wanted. Okay, hold on. Don't ask me to stop. We're not going to do that. That's disrespectful. I'm not being, because I don't, I don't want to go forward. Okay, go ahead. Go ahead. To edify the believer's spirit, edifies the believer's spirit, and it gives you a direct communication between you and God. Tongues is, that's what tongues are. Okay. Now you're speaking tongues. You're speaking in a language not to man, but unto God. Okay. I'm not trying to have a conversation about tongues. I just wanted, I just wanted to see if I could prove a point. Okay. Here's the point that I'm trying to get you to understand. You said that tongues edify the person. Right? Where did you get that from? You literally got that from Paul's writing, and you didn't take that as an opinion. You took it as fact. So here's my point, and this is where I'm trying to get you to understand. You will take, like everyone else will take what suits you from the Bible. But when it comes to tongues, since you, since you believe in tongues, you're going to take Paul's understanding of tongues as fact. When he says in 1 Corinthians 14, that tongues edify. Well, how come that is a fact? That's true. But when Paul says women should not preach, that's his opinion. That's my point. And see what happened is, and let's just be honest. I understand. I'm pretty sure that you are a lot younger than me, which is fine. I understand what's happened. And the reason why I bring that up is because it's very important. It's very germane. Right now, there are a lot of women that feel like they are being left out, posed at what have you, and you are sitting fighting against one descriptors, but maybe against society. I don't know. But when you made the statement, you just made the statement, don't tell you to stop, that's rude or whatever, as though I was disrespecting you, because what happens is a lot of women today are feeling as though they are being disrespected, as though they're being thought of as less than honey. I don't think that of any other woman at all. What I'm trying to give you is the scriptures. You cannot come back and use Paul's statements on tongues or anything else as a fact. But then when he talks about women and the order, that's just his opinion. You cannot do that. You are taking away almost half of the New Testament. That's the point that I'm trying to make. Your argument is invalid. You know why? Because I never dismiss all of Paul's, because I never dismiss all of Paul's epistles. I never said that everything he said was wrong. I never said what I did say was certain scriptures. I'm sorry. Okay. I'm sorry. I'm being disrespectful. Go ahead. You can speak. What you did was, and this is what I've been asking for the whole time, and I'm trying to belabor this point because there's going to be some other woman somewhere that's going to say the exact same thing you did. You own every time Paul makes a statement. I don't know if you heard this. Go back and watch this video. Every time you made a statement about Paul and women, you said that was his opinion. But everything else Paul says is not his opinion. That's God. You don't get a chance to do that. Again, Peter, who was called the first among equals, Peter said that all of Paul's writings are scripture. All of them. Paul is the one that says all scriptures are God-breathed. So when Paul makes a statement about women, sweetheart, they are God-breathed. And so it's not that you're fighting against what Paul said or his opinion you are fighting against what the Lord said. So now, sir, we don't need to, we don't need Peter to validate whether what Paul said was scripture or not, because obviously every scripture in the Bible is scripture. Every one of them is considered a scripture. Do we exercise and practice every single scripture in the Bible today? No, we do not. The ones that pertain to us, we do. The ones that pertain. All of those. Listen, all of those that are prescriptive. Which ones that pertain to you? Listen, Rachel, every single passage that is prescriptive of the church, we follow. Do we follow when God tells, when Elijah tells, naming to go dip himself in the river seven times, do we follow that? No, because it wasn't prescribed to us. Do we follow when the Bible tells, Joshua to have the children visit, go walk around the city seven times? We know that wasn't for us. But when he makes a prescriptive text for us, a teaching text for us, for the church, we follow those things. That's the point. And so what you're doing is- You don't follow those things. You don't. You don't follow all of those. Like speaking with other tongues. You don't believe in speaking with other tongues. I didn't say that. You don't even believe that there's apostles today. When did I say that? In your other videos, you said you don't believe in speaking with other tongues. You said, if someone, you said it in multiple videos, there's actually videos that go to my shorts. There's videos about what you said that I corrected. Let me say it again because you did not listen. You didn't pay attention. I said, I didn't say, I don't believe in tongues. I said, I don't believe in tongues that we see. I said, if we see tongues that are just like in the Bible, I'm fine with that. I'm not, I'm not a cessationist. What I am is- What tongues just like in the Bible? They were actual languages. So now, but listen, I don't want to get off topic. Oh, okay. So if they were all actual languages, all the tongues in the Bible were actual languages, then why does Paul also say that we don't, we don't know what we're speaking, but we speak unto God and not unto man? Why would he say that? Did Paul contradict himself? Because Paul writes a letter to the church of Corinth rebuking them for their misuse of tongues. Paul is telling them that they don't know what they're saying and he says, I want you not to be ignorant. I want you to know what I'm saying. But again, I don't want to get off topic, but listen, here's the point. No, no, no, stay right there. Stay right there. No, we're not going to have a conversation. No, you're not making sense. No, we're not going to have a- Listen. You're contradicting yourself right now. If you say so, if you say so, but we're not going to have a conversation about tongues, we'll be here another hour. But you shouldn't have brought it up. No, I asked you a question that you picked and choose. Well, you should have brought it up to try to ask a question and I asked you a question and you were wrong. Again, I said, you're trying to say now Paul contradicted himself. Rachel, let's be clear. Let's be clear. Let's be clear, Rachel. Let me say it again. Everything that the Bible tells us to do, we do. One, the Bible doesn't tell us to speak it. Listen, let me say it again. You're not paying attention, Rachel. You're not paying attention. The Bible does not tell us or me or you to speak in tongues. If a person speaks in a language, then fine. Then fine. If a person wants to hear, listen. So what is the Holy Ghost? What is the Holy Ghost that John the Baptist says that Jesus baptized us with? All right, Rachel, you're not listening. Okay? You're turning something that has been edifying. Well, it is the Holy Ghost. You just said that God said that he didn't tell us to talk. Let me give you a few minutes to go and say what you want to say. Paul actually said, I would rather that you all speak in tongues. So what scripture are you coming from? That Paul, that God said that we shouldn't speak in tongues. What scripture is that? You're making up stuff to try to prove your point and you're wrong. All right. All right. Listen, thank you, sweetheart. I appreciate you. I pray that you would, I'm going to go out and let me assume that you are probably near 20s and 30s. I'm going to go out and assume that I might be wrong. But my goal, my prayer, my hope is that you end up one, letting go of the emotional side, because you are getting, and it's pretty obvious, you're getting a little bit emotional and you're not listening. No, you're getting proven wrong. So therefore, now you want to cut the call because you're getting proven wrong. You can prove what I just said. Okay. Okay. You said what? What did you prove me wrong? Let me say it again, because you can go, anyone? Because you said, let me say that we should speak in tongues. I just said that. Listen, what I just said. First of all, Paul says, I would wish, I wish that you all would rather that you will all speak in tongues. Okay. I would, I would wish or rather find that you all would speak in a language or in tongues, but rather, but rather. So here's an actual example of Paul. That's to prophesy. Here is an actual example of Paul. If you want to say he's given his opinion, but the point is I've never said that we should not do, we should not fall in those things. I've said before, if a person wants to speak in tongues, if a person says they prophesy, they have to get the healing, whatever it is, fine. All I know is we've got the Bible to hold them accountable to it. That's why I call myself a biblical. Tell me if you've heard this before. Let me finish, a biblical continue. You're not listening. You're not listening. You're not listening. I call myself a biblical. Here's the word. Continuationist. And so if the gifts are continuing, as long as they look like the Bible tells them, I'm fine with that. If you say that the person is an apostle or a person's a prophet, fine. Point them out to us. Let us see who this, who's this great apostle, this great apostle. Let's go and see because the apostles today have bad doctrine, have bad prophecies. Oh, by the way, he gives literally the Bible, not Paul, but the Bible gives the literal qualifications of an apostle, which one you have to have been there to see the resurrected Christ. So they haven't done that today. My point is, I'm fine, whatever the spirit does, but I am to do what John says. Don't accept every spirit, but judge it how? By the scripture. Now going back to our conversation, I asked you, I asked you, wait a second, I asked you a question. I asked you a question, Rachel. That is because you seem to be implying that what Paul was saying is not authoritative, but his opinion. And when I asked you another passage relating to something, I said, I don't want to go to that whole thing, which is what we're going. I don't want to do that. I just wanted to find out, do you take and choose other passages that Paul would say and make those authoritative? It seems as though everything else that Paul says, you take authoritative. But when it comes to women being preachers or having leadership, you take those as his opinion, his letter to Timothy, his letter to Titus. Because of what he said. It's what he said. Okay. So listen, let me just say this. If you have to still consider what's being said. I appreciate, I appreciate you taking the time to come on. You weren't, clearly you weren't persuaded, which is fine, which is fine. I would say, go back and listen to the conversation again. If you've got more questions for me, I'm more than happy to, I don't have questions for you. I'm telling you what you're saying and what you're doing is wrong because you are going to have to answer to God for giving everyone on your channel and other channels is false doctrine that women cannot be teachers or ministers of the gospel in the church. Because if they do not walk in their car, that God has called them to ordain them to because of your false doctrine, their blood is on your hands. If a person doesn't become a pastor, their blood is on my hand. Okay. This is why ladies ignorance abounds. And number one, this is a young lady who is clearly, clearly emotional.  You made them feel bad. You were the stereotypical woman. Ladies, y'all forgive me, but a lot of cackling, a lot of very emotional. You stated that what Paul was saying was his opinion. You stated that. And then once I asked you, because I knew what you would do, I knew that you would also agree with tongues. And that when I asked you, what's the purpose of tongues is the reason why I asked a question that you would say that is to edify. Well, where'd you get that from? You got it from Paul, the very same person that you said we should be taken as, we should be taken as opinion.  You can't follow where I was going with that use. You also stated that an elder or a pastor is different. A shepherd, pastor is different than an elder, different than the bishop. I go through the scriptures and I show you that that elder or pastor shepherd is also an elder. I show you the Greek. You say, no, I'm just, I'm making that up. I'm twisting. I literally put the scripts on the page for you. That's fine. Sweetheart, let me just say this in all due respect.  This world is not fit for somebody who is emotionally all over the place and immature. That's just the case. And so anyone else that has this conversation, I don't have this conversation. I have, would you say? Yes, she will today. Yes, she will. They tend to do that. They tend to do that. But by the way, I've always asked so as well. Anyone that is these apostles and prophets, I've named the prophet, who is the apostle that we ought to be listening to? Who's the prophet? No one says, well, there are apostles around when anyone, if it's the one that we know of, let's just look at their doctrine because yeah, these, for some reason, God has chosen these, these, these apostles and these prophets to have bad doctrine. Some have chosen these women to have bad name the, name the female preacher. I'm not asking I might be wrong. Name the female pastor that has good doctrine. Name them. That's my point. So anyway, guys, thank you all so much. I want it. I want to do this. And I, I could not pass up the opportunity because I have, I've had it out there for the longest and it's still gonna be out there for some, maybe next time someone will put their, their face on, but I would love, I would love to have another woman who believes this to come on. But anyway, guys, love you all so much. And I should, by the way, let me just say this again in, in, in, in me saying this. Do me a favor. I've said this before. You'll, you'll see me say this at least for the next couple of days, maybe a week or so.   There are different tiers. One of the tiers is free. You can become a free Patreon. We'll start adding more and more stuff, more in-depth stuff, more studies and so forth to Patreon. Remember what this stuff goes to, not to me. This stuff goes to support Bibles and teaching material to those in prison, those in different countries, such as parts of China and North Korea and so forth. 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