I think it's it's less about communication and it's more about how you live. I mean, I don't think I don't think that we win the communication war. I think we I think we've already lost it. I think we're going to continue to lose it. I think the best thing that you can do is be an example is to is to live a life that's healthy that way that and and to be compassionate to others and have empathy. That's true. And and and let that be something that someone is attracted to and and seeks information and question why you everything's so bad in this world and I feel so terrible time and yet you are so positive and you have energy and you're happy. Allow that to shine through and allow them to look to you to ask like, what is it about you that makes you this way? And then that gives you the opportunity to present that because I tell you, I think just trying to yell it or scream it or argue or debate it. I think we lose. No, no. Yeah, I guess the hope there is like just all the resurgence of interest in becoming like a personal trainer, a coach or somebody that wants to make a difference. There's a lot of people out there that want to do that be that example. And I think that we just need to promote and lift them up more instead of just like keep promoting all this news and nonsense. Oh, here we go. I almost never do this giveaway, but I'm going to do it right now. And then I'll tell you why, because there's some crazy stuff going on here at mine pump headquarters. Here's the giveaway. This super bundle. This is the biggest bundle that we have. Here's what you get. Maps anabolic, mass performance, maps aesthetic, maps prime, maps anywhere. Okay. It's five programs. One of you will get that for free, but you got to do the following. Leave a comment below in the first 24 hours that we drop this episode, make it a good comment, subscribe to this channel and turn on notifications, do all those things. 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If you look at its effect on mental health, obesity and its health, you know, affects crush everything. And it has been for decades now. It's not like, it's not like a, you know, a current crisis that we're in the, in the middle of, you know, like COVID, it's like, this thing has been going on, this has been going on year after year after year and growing. You're getting worse, but it's more than that. Right. So we know what the deaths are, although I think the deaths are understated. It's somewhere in your 100,000 deaths a year and three or four million per year in the world. But I think it's more than that because it's hard to, it's hard to really quantify because obesity and self effects can lead to other things.  So I think the number is much higher, but there's that, there's the mental health effects, which we don't really quantify, but we know for a fact that poor health has a dramatic impact on anxiety, depression, bipolar disorder, paranoia. It definitely makes people feel more negative and less positive. Here's some other stuff. And again, we don't have the numbers to, to really point to with some of the stuff. It dramatically decreases productivity and innovation. We know this through some of the fitness studies that we've done or that we've seen with, you know, we did corporate memberships, right? Where we show that for every dollar a company spends on fitness. If an employee uses it, the company will get back $2 in productivity. We know fit and healthy people buy things differently, make different choices, feel more positive or more productive. And it's, it's impossible to even quantify what that could potentially mean for society, not to mention the cost on society from a dollar standpoint is going to bring up the cost of the healthcare system in terms of bankrupting in the future. If it was to proceed at the rate that it's going out. Oh, it's, it, it will bankrupt modern societies and modern western medicine doesn't have a solution for these chronic health issues. It's, it's, they're all behavior based. Nobody's really talking about it that way or talking about what it, what it's Now, why do, why are we so concerned about climate change as opposed to obesity? I think it's an easier political sell. It's an easier way to divide people and to provide a solution, right? Like imagine if a politician, Well, I mean, one of them, come on dude. Okay. One of them potentially ends the earth. The other one is ending people's lives. Two different things though. Cause here's the thing like that's something that Collapse society and by the way, I'm not, I'm just, I'm just addressing what Justin said about, I don't necessarily agree or not or disagree is so much as like, they're, they're two different things. Like one is like a choice that people are making, right? People are making a choice personally to over consume, right? And not take care of their health.  So they're two different monsters. It's actually not because if you think about this way, what's the, what do humans have that makes us really good at solving big problems? What have we always done to solve biggest problems that we've Innovate.  Just look at our markets, for example. So our markets respond to our needs and our wants. Go to the grocery store. This is an easy one to see. Look at all the food in there. What are the markets cater to convenience and palatability, right? Our habits, which are driven by our bodies and how we feel because this is a filter through which you receive the world, that drives a lot of stuff. And so, think about all the money that goes into innovating. So you're saying that because there's so many people that are unhealthy that we can't divert that money towards other things. And there's unknown costs. We don't know what advancements. I mean, you could also make the case. I'm just gonna play devil's advocate today. We could also make the case that all these sick people are forcing an urgency to innovate also. Like if we were also healthy, we wouldn't have all these issues that were happening or that wouldn't be so alarming. And because they are so alarming and growing and becoming worse, now all of a sudden we're looking into these things. So you could make that case too. Well, let me ask you this. What group of people is more likely to innovate better and produce better? Healthy people or very sick people? That's fair. But I mean, the healthy people are going to innovate because there are so many sick people. If there wasn't so many sick people, maybe they wouldn't be trying to innovate. Well, think about where they would innovate. It would be much more proactive rather than reactive. And what problems could we tackle? Let me put it this way. If I could snap my fingers and change one thing that would have profound effects on everything, I would snap my fingers and make everybody healthy. Think about that. Mentally and physically healthy people. If all of a sudden everybody was mentally and physically healthy, not that that could ever, I mean, obviously this is extreme, but imagine if we did that, what would that change? That would change everything. It would change parents, it would change companies, it would change markets, it would change the way we vote and the decisions that we make. So it has profound effects and we're not even, and you know what's really starting to get a little worrisome is that right now a majority of Americans, a small majority of Americans are overweight, but a minority are obese, but that number is growing. I think obesity now sits at like 30-something percent. You just said a small majority is overweight. A majority is overweight. Small majority, meaning it's like 50-something percent. So it's not like a big majority. I believe it's higher than that. Maybe look it up, Doug. I believe overweight, like 20 pounds or more, it's like 60-something percent and then 40-something percent is obese. So obese, I know, is not a majority, but we can look up. I mean, but 40, bro, that's almost half. You're right, we're getting there. And I think a majority is overweight. Yeah, so let's look up overweight, but I know obesity itself is not a majority yet, but it's getting there and what I'm noticing is that. I mean, I think we'll be there in a decade. Probably. Yeah, no, for sure. The way it's the look at it. Let's say, Doug, so we have 36.5 percent of adults have obesity. However, 32.5 percent of American adults are overweight. So you take those two numbers together and basically that would be what about 68, 69 percent of people are overweight or obese. No, it's not quite that way. Look up. Just look up what percentage Americans are overweight. Just look up that number. Are they deciding that based on BMI? Yeah, unfortunately, that's what they're using. I mean, that's what's skewed. That's the best number we have. They keep throwing out obesity numbers here. The last time I looked, it was something like this. You know why? Because we're moving the market. We know everybody's fat. Oh, we keep changing the definition of it. Well, if 32.5 percent of Americans are overweight and then an additional 36.5 percent are obese, and I would take those two numbers. I don't know if it's additional or if they both, if it's like one of the 10 diagrams. Does that make sense? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I read 60 percent are overweight, which we would make Doug's number right. 67, that would be 67 or 60. Well, yeah, 69 percent. Well, nonetheless, here's my point with this, because you're starting to see with obesity, because obesity is a whole nother category. As that starts to become a majority, what happens is politicians and media start to push to normalize and also victimize. We've already been doing that. We are, and it's getting worse. So now what's happening is, is this going to happen in our lifetime? Actually, probably in the next 10 years, you're going to start to see them be categorized as an oppressed class. And we're already seeing this, weight loss is fat shaming. Weight loss is oppression. And you're going to start to see this more and more.  And then targeting them will be considered bigotry. And this is when it's going to get really crazy. And it's just because we're here already, man. I mean, look at it.  Oh, heaven forbid, you say something. Yeah, I saw that.  And here's the thing that, okay, the companies are smart.  And I believe in the next decade or so, that is going to be the majority of our population, which makes the majority of consumers of products. So it's in their best interest to market to those people and normalize those people. Right. And as it becomes more in that direction, now I'm not saying it should be, we should make people feel bad. The answer isn't shame, but to normalize it is only going to move to your point that you started this whole conversation. It's only going to push us in that direction even further. It's not going to go the other direction. Do I think the answer is to shame those people? No, I don't think that's the answer either. But to normalize it and to celebrate it, and then to point out anybody who doesn't like it or disagree with it as a bigot, boy, are we heading in a dangerous direction. Very dangerous. And again, it's the downstream effects. We can't even quantify what this means. Look, you, okay, let me ask you guys, it's trainers.  How much of your client changed as they became more fit, besides just their fitness? Oh yeah. I mean, like night and day. Personality. Personality, like the way that they're motivated to be productive at work, like their relationships. Everything. Confidence, energy, sleep, sex, relationships. I mean, everything. Yeah, there's everything. You don't operate better when you're healthy. I mean, bottom line. And so to not be able to promote that and think that that's a divisive thing instead of you're just trying to help people achieve a better version of themselves is absolutely absurd. Yeah. So my message to fitness professionals, because what will happen to a lot of people, and I remember being like this even as an early trainer, is you would see this message and it would just piss you off. And you'd be like, that's unhealthy. That's whatever. And what we need to do is we need to be empathetic, caring, but honest. You have to do both. Honesty. So this is the biggest thing right now. Yes. Who's going to be left that's going to be honest? Yeah. There's not going to be a lot of people left that aren't because they're scared. Well, I mean, what Sal is saying is so spot on though too, because it's such a, it's a fine dance here. Because you've got to be very careful. I mean, look what happened to George. Yeah, you want to push people away. Look what happened. Look what happened to George Pearson. Well, you don't have to be nasty about it. George Pearson came out and made a comment about that. Yeah. Shows the wrong words. Shows the wrong words. Totally did. Yeah. And so- So surprising. So missed the mark. Really surprising for someone who I think is so well spoken, tweeted out something in response to that. And that is not the way he communicated that. That's not going to help anybody. It's not. So you have to find a way to communicate to people that- Look, we made our careers on helping people in this particular situation.  You've got to be inviting. No, you want to be empathetic. You have to be caring, but you also have to be honest. And you have to, if they want help, you have to be able to help them. What does that say, Doug? 73%. Oh, wow. So it's even higher. 73% overweight. And that's from 2017-2018, which by the way, I bet you exploded. I bet you, yeah, after the pandemics even worse. So, I mean, this is a big problem.  Go ahead and do the numbers. Doesn't come close to how many people die and get affected every single year from this- Well, I just think priorities, right? Like, and I don't put that up there to deny it. It's just that like, what are our priorities? What can we control? Like, what can we really promote to like move the needle the most right now? And I think that obesity is something we really need to take a real close look at. And the problem is that there is no politician that's going to be able to have an answer for you because there isn't something that the government can do that'll fix that. They don't want to. They don't want to. They don't want to. It's in their best interest, not to. They're making tons of money off of medicating these people that have all these issues. And manipulating. Yes. When you feel this is true. That's what, the scariest part about all this, it's in the best interest of the people that have the platforms. The companies that have the money that do all the advertising, they're going to continue to market this way. The politicians that are making money on the back door and the medical system. There's a ton of companies that profit off people who are sick. Yes. That's a true statement. Totally. And also, when you. This is more of a wake up thing. It is.  Okay. It's the way we communicate on the show many times. The pursuit of that is very empowering. So when you feel empowered, you're less likely to be manipulated or controlled or fearful. Right. When you feel like you have more control over your health, which really expands the rest of your life, you're less likely to be fearful and manipulated.   They want people who are fearful and easily manipulated. So they're going to make you feel like informed without question.  It's not your fault. It's everybody else's fault. Oh, no, it's perfectly fine. Oh, no, it's actually healthy. And this is all cool. And because now they can manipulate you to get you to do what they want. And this is a nasty game that's being played. And because now overweight is actually a bigger majority than I thought, and obesity is getting to that point, this is a big voter block now. So when a majority of Americans are obese, who are they going to cater to? That. And what are they going to do? They're going to make you feel like a victim. And they're going to say everybody else is bad. Anybody who tells you you need to lose weight, they're being oppressive. They're being bigots.  No, no, no, no. There definitely are people that fat shame, but that's not what's happening. So and I wanted to bring that up because this is a big issue that nobody ignores. I think we ignore it because it requires more personal responsibility. It doesn't seem as scary. I don't I don't I'm so about this. Unfortunately, and I'm in the space, so I should be optimistic, but I'm super pessimistic about this. Like I don't think it's only going to get worse. Yeah, I don't think we can win. Yeah, I don't think we don't have enough power or voice to to combat the forces that are promoting the message that you're talking about. I don't think we and and add in the fact that that's the easier path. Yeah, people are people are always going to go the with the path of least resistance. Yes. And making change, self-awareness, looking inside, working, saying, no resistance. Yes, avoiding addiction, all those things. That's hard. So and then if all the messaging is telling you that the hard way is not the right way or why I go that way or it's oppressive and all the things that you're saying, I just how do we win that? And to add insult to injury meant the people, the popular people or the people getting the attention who are communicating weight loss and health do it wrong and communicate the wrong message.  He said, you know, how do you feel about when people go to the doctor, get bad, you know, blood work back or whatever the doctor says. Hey, you need to move more and eat less. It's like, well, it's like telling somebody who's on welfare, having struggling to feed their kids. Oh, you know what you need to do? Stop spending money. You need to make more money and save more money. Yes, it's a basic advice. It's not that simple. We're behavior based emotional creatures. It's much more complex than that. And so the problem is the messaging. And this is what we always try to battle, right?  That doesn't work. So now you're getting people who turn to, you know, the fitness space and say, all right, I'm going to do something about this. And they get this crappy information doesn't work for them. It's a perversion of the message. Absolutely. So how do we solve this? We got to talk about this in real ways. We got to talk about this from a behavioral standpoint. We have to talk about what it really means. We have to talk about self-care and not self-hate and how you should feel after a workout. You should not feel like you should feel good. I think it's less about communication and it's more about how you live. I mean, I don't think that we win the communication war. I think we've already lost it. I think we're going to continue to lose it. I think the best thing that you can do is be an example is to live a life that's healthy that way that and to be compassionate to others and have empathy. That's true. And let that be something that someone is attracted to and seeks information and question, why is everything so bad in this world? And I feel so terrible time and yet you are so positive and you have energy and you're happy. Allow that to shine through and allow them to look to you to ask like, what is it about you that makes you this way? And then that gives you the opportunity to present that because I tell you, I think just trying to yell it or scream it or argue or debate it, I think we lose. No, no. Yeah, I guess the hope there is like just all the resurgence of interest in becoming like a personal trainer, a coach or somebody that wants to make a difference. There's a lot of people out there that want to do that, be that example. And I think that we just need to promote and lift them up more instead of just like keep promoting all this news and nonsense that just keeps bombarding us. And when I talk about communication, I'm referring to that, right? I don't think you're not going to go and beat it into people because no one's going to listen. It doesn't work like that for anything. Definitely be the example. And then when people ask you or like us, people seek us out. We don't hammer our show into people's living rooms or whatever. They'll seek us out, communicate it in effective empathetic understanding ways. And remember, you're not talking to fitness fanatics. This is another thing I like to tell people in our space is we confuse, we think other people like we are. No, they're not. You work in the fitness space. This is your passion.  They are not. You cannot tell them what works for you. What works for them.  You just got to have discipline. You just got to get up and make it happen. And I love eating healthy because it's great.  Yeah, you're 1% dork. I'm trying to help the 90.   It's like, man, you are talking in an echo chamber of 1% of people that you care about. We've been doing this long enough. And even when we came into the podcasting space, I remember going like, dude, it's wide open for us because the podcast and the fitness influencers out there, they were speaking to other fitness people. It's like they're not even close to the majority. Well, I want to go help the majority. I'm going to go help the 76% that are out there that are either turned off by fitness or have never been introduced to it the right way. Like you guys can go all fight over the 1%.  I'm going to worry about trying to influence the majority who we're losing right now. 100%. That's the most important thing. And you got to communicate differently to them. And if you talk to them the way that you like to be talked to. And you know, the other thing too is what they do is they not only talk to each other, they assume there are the fitness fanatics, but they also talk to the average person when the average person is in that short window of self-hate and extreme motivation. Like this is what the fitness industry targets. They target people who, you know, they saw a picture of themselves on social media and they're, oh my God, that's it. I got to do something about it. I'm motivated. Well, they target themselves. Yeah. They target themselves. The same, I mean, and by the way, okay, I'm just as guilty of this stuff. I mean, and we've admitted this on the show, what drove all of us into this space was an insecurity. Yes.  And a good portion of them still haven't figured it out yet. Sure. Still are working through that insecurity. It's what drives them to never miss a workout and never not count their calories. And it's because they're so insecure, they've used that to fuel their motivation.  Like, and you're not, you're helping, you think you're helping because you're, all you're really doing is feeding into other people that have the same insecurity as you. That's all you're really doing. Totally. Totally. So it's like when someone comes to you and says, hey, I'm thinking about, you know, doing like, you know, maybe 15 minute walks, you know, four days a week. And then the fitness fanatic's like, nah, that's a waste of time. Shit. Get in the gym, hammer yourself. You really want to take this seriously. I mean, I remember doing that as an early trainer, myself. And I apologized. Come talk to me when you're serious. Yeah. I know, dude. Yeah. Hilarious. We started out with some church this morning, you guys. I know. It's a good time. Coming in hot. Anyway. Hey, speaking of that, this guy. Hey, I come in the other day. Okay. So I'm getting, Vicky's cutting hair, right? And so I always go first. Justin's normally like working out a little bit. And Vicky's like, and then I hear the music over there and Vicky's cutting my hair. She goes, is that, is that gospel music? And I, and I look at Vicky and I'm like, oh, it's probably going to watch it. It's going to transition to some like, dark metal. Yeah. Dark metal. Right afterwards, right? And then like 10 minutes goes by and I'm like, this might be gospel music. I said, Justin, what are you listening to over there, bro? Yeah. I'm into it right now. Dude, I'm like, I'm on gospel music.  It was like striking a chord. I think it's just because I've just been consuming so much negative, uh, just information news, whatever, dude. I'm just like thinking about world problems and everything on fire.  I need some to, to, to, yeah. That ain't, that ain't working. It's not, it's just adding a little more grease to the, to the fire. You know, I need something that's like uplifting and positive and like feeds my soul. So yeah, I started doing a little gospel. And working out. That's great. Yes, dude, I died. Yeah. I seriously, I was, yeah, dude, it's weird.  Like it just like, oh, it's powerful. That's true. Yeah. Have you ever heard a Kanye and his group when they'll do some like gospel stuff? Have you heard something? Yeah, Sunday, his Sunday church. Is that what it is? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's pretty rad, dude. I don't know if I got worked out too well. Yeah, it's not.  Bro, I was crazy. I was dying laughing because it's so extreme opposite of what he listens to, like, you know, like I have my, I get that. Like there's, there's times when I feel the exact same way. That's typically when I listen to like country or like light or music or whatever it's when I do that. So, but I mean, that's not that far off from like my rock that I would listen to where Justin's like death metal and then he would gospel. Well, there was a little bit of a bridge. Like I started getting back into like blues and like real soulful kind of music. I love, I love blues. You know, something's got some emotion behind it.  Like, oh, this is the formula and this is pop.  And then it just kind of led me back to like people that really emote through their music. And then it was like gospels. Like I love, I think, I think the best decades for music. And I know, and these are not the decades I grew up in. 60s and 70s. I think that was like the pinnacle of like. Well, wouldn't you probably make the case? And I'm not like his musical historian and like probably Justin is or whatever like that. But isn't that when a lot of like, a lot of like sounds and stuff was created? No, the spear metal sound. Right. Like a lot of stuff. LSD and either, I mean, there's a lot of factors to that for sure. Like most, most everything we have today is connected somewhat to that. Right. Like, I mean, they're like somewhat of a, of a modification or expansion on what was created. Well, general media even, even if you look at movies in the 60s and 70s, there was a lot of original stuff. And slowly what's happened is that, that they figured out the formula to make money. So like literally, I was at the movies the other day and a trailer comes on. It's another Jurassic Park. Yeah, but it looks good. I'm like, come on. Look, yeah, see, but that's what they know. I'm hoping to see it. Well, I know, I mean, I've talked about this book before on the show. It's such a good read, you know, for this exact conversation, the hit makers. Yeah. I think Derek Thompson, I think is the author of it. But in that book, he would make the case that everything is tied to that. Sure. Like, so part of what attracts us to a sound, to a movie. A little bit of familiarity. Yes. It has to have a little bit of familiarity and, but then some sort of uniqueness to it, right? And some, an originality to it. So there's, it's a combination always of both. Something that is completely foreign, we normally don't like, but if it has some sort of. Every studio bought that book.  That's why I'm always trying to bring up something like Raised by Wolves. I'm like, this is so original. Yeah. It just was like something like I never had seen before. So I get excited when I hear some music like that. It's like, oh my God, I never heard this sound collectively. And again, there's the familiar element to it. It's like bringing in some blues, bringing in some jazz or like hard rock or whatever. Oh, yeah. I love fun. I was, you know what I've been listening to? Zap. You know, zap. More bounce to the ounce and do. Oh, bro. I was in the car at nine minutes.  It's wind and fire, dude. That's a new jam. Hey, speaking of media, now as of the airing of this episode, this will be out, but it comes out today when we're recording this. Ricky Gervais's special is going to come out on Netflix. And I saw a clip of it. I think I know why Netflix put out that memo to their employees. Oh yeah. Did he go hard? The little clip I saw, I was like, oh, he's trying. I think he's purposely, because you, because right now comedians are pushing the limit.  I wonder, right? I wonder if that's kind of a thing. Like they've watched each other's specials and they're like, hmm, like, I think I could go a little harder. And remember Gervais, wasn't Gervais the one that did, he was the last. He was the one who was, I mean, I didn't even really know who he was until he did that awards speech. Yeah, the Oscar murder. Where he killed all the. He was the last good one. He roasted every celebrity in there. It was so funny. And they were so awkward. Remember how I remember? Yeah. I mean, I actually really didn't know who he was until that. I love him. Like when that went viral. Are you seeing the office? Huh? He came out of the office. Well, I mean. He saw the American version. But yeah. Oh, yeah. The English version. I've seen the English version too. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So I mean like, like really knew of him. Yeah, yeah. Like you stand up. Yeah, yeah. That part of it. Like I recognized that, that's who that, what that guy was. But before that, I really didn't know of him. Yeah. When that went viral. Then I started. Bro, he goes so hilarious. He goes so hard. I can't wait. So do you think it's going to be harder than Chappelle's and stuff? I do. Oh, wow. I do. Well, that makes me excited.  He's a wordsmith, dude. He crafts like, oh, it comes in so like piercingly hard. Like whenever he like delivers it. And he's also, he's out.  That's a good point. Because Chappelle get away with it, right? A little more, right? Of course he can. Chappelle's like royalty when it comes to comedy especially. So it'll be interesting. Jervais, but Jervais really pushes it. If you listen to his comedy, he goes. Did he have, was he a part of actually writing the office? Or did he, so he did, he wrote some of the content. Even the American version. Well, yeah. Well, the whole American version is completely based off of that version. Yeah. And I like the American version better, but that's just because culture here is like different. Yeah. I think, I mean. But they're both good. The actors and both the actors in the American version are all hilarious too. Steve Carell is great in that. Yeah. I love English humor though. I'm a big fan of that. I mean, I think if I would have found the English one first, I would have enjoyed it as much or, you know, I don't know about more, but I would have enjoyed it more. I saw the original office and then I found out that it was based off of the English version. Then I went back and I watched that and I enjoyed it, but I still like the Steve Carell. Yeah. So I can't, I'm going to, I'll put that on tonight. Oh, I can't wait. That's going to be exciting. Yeah, that'll be great. And hopefully it brings. So this morning you guys know. So Netflix does like night drops. It's not out right now. I think it might be out right now. Is it out right now? It doesn't. We should have watched it together. I would have loved to have watched it with you guys. Because I got Warriors tonight. I'll be watching that. Oh no, I'm going to save it for tonight and try and lift my poor wife's spirits. Man, she is this pregnancy.  Because she's going to be reminded. Okay. That's the silver lining in this. You guys are probably like making the next Einstein or something. Is that something? Either that or this kid is like. You got to tell yourself, right? You got to tell yourself something like that right now.  It's good luck. It's good luck. I hope dude. It's good luck. I hope this baby doesn't wreak havoc like she is right now. Because Jessica literally just started getting over the severe. Like I've told people literally bedridden, throwing up. That's how bad the first trimester was. Started to come out of it. And then migraines are hitting. 3 a.m. last night.  You know, we don't have anybody to help. I'm calling my mom. My mom, nope, she's working. My aunt can't come. No one's going to try to figure this out. So I set it up so that I gave her a bunch of caffeine that helps with migraines but she's not taking any painkillers because she's pregnant, right? So I did that and I have an interview to do this morning. And I figured I set her up with the baby, gave him food. She's got food, water. The caffeine helped enough to where she can manage and she's like, okay, you know, go.  I'm going to try and make it over here. So I'm driving over here and I'm already kind of stressed out and lack of sleep. And I tell you what, dude, I got to say something. This is just my own experience, okay? The worst, most aggressive drivers are moms and minivans. I swear to God, every time I'm driving here. Coming after you, dude. I am driving here. When they don't have their kids in the car, okay? I'm driving. It's always a mom in the minivan, no kids.  And moms. Here's a big pet peeve of mine. There's space between me and the car behind, you know, back and front. So I'm going to change lanes. I put my blinker on.   But anyway, I got in anyway because I moved already but I can see her start to speed up. That's Silicon Valley driving in general. So then you know this warfare out there. You know what this lady does? So she tries to speed up to close the gap but I already got in. She's behind me. Thank God for that race car, huh? Oh, right. Yeah, the Jetta would have never made it in there. Arrow star would have smoked you. I can't imagine if he was in the Jetta. I don't know, man. I put my foot out the window. So I get in, right? And I could see her looking at me in my rear-view mirror and she's got this like face. I'm like, God damn, lady, okay. So we go up to the freeway. She's probably having a day, dude. Bro, we get up to the freeway. The on-ramp has a very short, and there's a lot of cars. We're all getting on because it's rush hour. The on-ramp has a short carpool lane. Not long, short. And it's for when the meter's on. This lady gets in the carpool lane with the big line, drives up as fast as she can and it ends like within like 15 feet.  Because she has to get in front of me. So I'm like, wow. So I let her in in front of me and I'm looking at her and I'm like, okay. I need to chill out, dude. I want to fight some mom. Yeah, what am I going to do, dude? But it's always a mom in the minivan. Like crazy, be crazy, dude. Let it be over.  We're going through it right now with Max. I mean, part of me is happy we're getting to the bottom of it. But then at the same time too, like I'm super nervous about my son going under. Like that's not going to be exciting at all. Like we got next week, we'll be putting him under to do surgery. Yeah, you said it was because ears aren't draining properly. So, well, two things, right? So it's, I don't know if I'm pronouncing this right. It's your adenoid. Yeah. Okay. So is that, am I saying it right? Adenoid, A-D-E-N-O-I-D or whatever. Is like, yeah, it's swollen. And because of that, like it also causes him to his back of his eardrums not to drain the water out and it sits in there like that. So it was, we went and saw a specialist finally, right? So this is our fourth ear infection that we've had. And so finally went and saw a specialist.  And she hadn't even looked at him yet. And she's like, huh? She's like, yeah, does he, does he drool a lot? And she's like, oh, he drools like crazy. And she's like, has he had, has he had slow, is his having trouble with speech? And she's like, yeah, no, we've had a speech therapist and everything. She's like, oh yeah. She's like, I can tell already before I even looked at him. Because that affects how we hear his people talk. Yeah. Well, so I guess the way in so, and I have two, we had Katrina and I have two friends who both have kind of gone through this and then also had the surgery for the kids and then had the tubes put in. And I guess it's like crazy. You know where kids, or you see those, those stories where someone couldn't hear forever and then all of a sudden they can. Oh, I can't. Dude, those make me cry. I know, right there. So I guess it'll be like that for him. Like she's like, the day you, the day you do the surgery, he will all of a sudden start talking normal because he's, everything he hears has been hearing this entire time. He can understand everything. So it's muffled. It's all underwater. She goes, that's what he's hearing is underwater. So his speech has been off this entire time. Like in the speech therapist, when we saw the speech therapist, she discontinued with us because she's like, oh, he's fine. We only can, she's like, you can continue if you want with us. But they thought, oh, he'll just start speaking later on. He's just waiting because cognitively, she's like, he's there. He totally understands everything. So we don't see anything without any problems. It's just that he hasn't started communicating. That's what the speech therapist thought. But they didn't know any of this was going on, right? So now the specialist is like, oh, no, what it is is that he is, the way he's pronouncing things is the way he's hearing it. So when he's talking and communicating with you guys, he thinks he's pronouncing it correctly because that's how it sounds to him. So she's like, and you will notice it right away. It's going to be transformative. Oh, it's going to be totally transitive. So I mean, I'm excited to get to the bottom of it. We're going to be able to fix it. Yeah, that's the nerve rack is. But yeah, just the thought of my son going under. Oh, I can't. He's such a young age. Like, I mean, Katrina didn't know I was going to be. Thank God for modern medicine for certain things, right? I mean, that's a classic example. Yeah.  And I guess it's common that it starts there. And this is something that like back when we were kids, they weren't really aware of this. And what would happen is, I guess, bacteria would build up and then it would work its way into tonsils and then people end up getting their tonsils removed. And but all the things she starts saying, I'm going like, God, this sounds like me. Like I was a big drooler. I had to have my tonsils removed. Like I have had all those issues. So I'm like, I wonder if I had the same exact, same exact condition. Interesting. Yeah. And I had a lot of those people end up getting allergies because of the inflammation that happens in the adenoid. So I had no idea. And I'm like, God, I wonder if I had the same condition. They just didn't know to look for it or pay attention to it when I was a kid. And so, yeah, no, I'm excited to get it addressed.   Oh, poor kiddo, man. What sucks about that and what breaks my heart is that when they're that age, they can't necessarily communicate what's happening. Oh yeah, no, you. So you don't know. Yeah, no, you have no.  I know it's going to be, it's going to be wild to see. I can't, that's too much. I can't do it. That's going to, I watch those videos and it destroys me. And those are kids I don't even know. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't even know those. You know, the ones where they put the glasses on them and the kid all of a sudden can see it. Yeah, yeah. This is the first time, but. Bro, I literally, if I'm scrolling, and I see it scroll by real quick, because it makes me, I swear to God, I lose it. I'm the same, I can't do it. Well, I just can't, I think too, of like, it just, it makes me think like, oh, what a good kid he is, the fact that he's got all this going on and he's still and happy all the time. He's such a good kid. I know, it's like, and yeah.  Filling his underwater all the time and like constantly fighting fevers and fricking dead aches, I'm sure. Like, yeah, poor dude. Oh man. But I mean, we know now and we know what to do to solve it. And I mean, Katrina thought I was going to be all anti it and not want to do it. And I'm like, no. No, it sounds like a fix. Yeah, it is. And both, she's like, it's so crazy because she knew she had two friends that had already gone through this and they did the tubes in the year and everything. And she actually never thought to ask him like, oh, did you notice the difference in their speech? And both of them are like, oh, yeah, like it's the same day. You'll see a difference. Like the same day, he will all of a sudden, they said that the specialist said that we even have to be careful on like music. Like if we play a lot of music. Just stimulating. Yeah. Oh, because he can't process. It's too much at once. Yeah.  It takes a second to get used to. Yeah. So just keep that in mind. But he's so young, his brain adapts so fast. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, obviously we're not going to blast music right away on him. And he'll have a couple of days before he'll go back to school. Have a nice and quiet at the house. Yeah. So I think we'll be able to acclimate and run away. I think he's probably just going to be so excited to probably hear his parents and hear everybody like normal, you know. Wow. Can't imagine like listening to all you guys. If you guys were always talking and it sounded like he was underwater. Like Charlie Browns. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, it's funny because sometimes I feel like that's how he's talking. He talks like that Charlie Browns. Because that's what he hears. Like I'm his dad. So I get what he's trying to communicate to me. But the very few words he says really sharp. Like most everything he says is like a little muffled all the time. And I can put it together like what he's saying. But I'm like, and I was telling Katrina, just like a couple of weeks, I'm like, you know, I'm really wondering when he's so smart. He understands everything. You know, he's talking to us right now. When is it going to really come together?  And it was actually when you sent the video over your son. I'm like, God, look how well Aurelius is already pronouncing words. I'm like, he's so much younger than Max. And Max is not pronouncing those same words that clear. Maybe that's where I really started pushing Katrina to like, let's look into like why he's not there. I know the speech there. Thank God you did that, dude. Yeah. Because this could have gone on a long time without you realizing it. Dude, her best friend. And repeated antibiotics. Her best friend. Yeah. And that's really what promoted this, was the antibiotics. Because I was like, I don't want to do it anymore. I don't want to keep put them on antibiotics. Her friend went through 14 ear infections before they found. 14? Yeah. And Max is on four. That's why we're already on four already. And we're like, dude, I do not want to go through 14 ear infections before we finally saw all of it. Wow, well, that's, well, thank God, man. Yeah, good thing you got answers now. Yeah, next week. So, you know, everything hopefully goes well. And then, you know, I can't wait to see what he's like afterwards. It's really interesting. Wow. And you guys are on the same page with that too, which is good. Yeah. I, she thought I was going to be the one who was going to be all anti. And I'm like, no, are you kidding me? I was like, get it in it. She's like, do you want to wait first and try this? And I could go research the chiropractor and we could try some holistic.  This poor guy, he's been dealing with this for this long.  Oh, man. And I guess it's, I mean, they're under for like 30 minutes, you know? It's not long. Yeah. Doug, you went through this, right? With Rihanna? Really? You remember how young she was when she went under? Oh, yeah. She went under for other reasons. But she was, the day she was born, she went under. Oh, wow. Yeah. And then a year and a half after that, she had some adhesions and she couldn't have any flow through her body. So she was throwing up everything. So they had to go back in and remove the adhesions. Man, when I hear stuff like this, I don't know how parent, like I, it affects me so much when my kid has a little cough. Sometimes I think you get affected more about my kid than I do. Oh, I do. If I tell you anything like that, I have DeSalle's messaging me every 15 minutes. So she's been under four times.  I just hate seeing kids, you know, not feeling good and stuff, man. It crushes me. That's crazy. Hey, I read an article about speaking of couples and stuff. Most common silly fights that couples have. Silly fights? Yeah. So common silly fights. So, and they're all the stereotypical ones. It was actually a pretty good article. It's got to be like, one of them has to be about directions. You hit it. Yes. That was one of them. Getting, getting directions. Temperature. Temperature. That was the number one. Bro, that's last night we were fighting over the temperature. Really? Yes, dude. And it's a silly fight, right? It's not like a real fight. Like we're, I'm just like, It just happened so often. It just becomes. Yeah. Well, so the way we have our, our bedroom set up is, which I think is not normal, right? Isn't it normal for the man to be at the closest to the door? Isn't that like? Yeah. Because if the intruder comes in, you gotta fight the. Typically, yeah. Like you want to be the first one. So like most houses, that's, I've been that way. In this house on the other side and they're, I'm on the other side though, because that's where all the windows and then the door is. So if an intruder comes in, Katrina will slow him down while you get ready to throw. So he was funny about that is I usually end up picking the side. If I'm like staying at a hotel, like I'll go away from the door. And I didn't realize I was doing that subconsciously. So I started because I was like, well, you're getting stabbed. And I'm normally good about recognizing that. But in this house, it just happens to be on the opposite side is where all the windows and the cool air comes in. And so I sleep on the opposite side. Now the problem with that is, so I sleep with them open and then the door, I have open like we have a upstairs balcony where we crack open the door and the wind is, I love it. It feels beautiful blowing in there. Problem is our neighbors, if they, and they watch TV to like one of the morning, every morning and they have a big screen TV and they have those, they have a big, what are those like sliding doors? Like there's their whole house on the side is all window or all glass. And so the light comes through. So light comes through and it's, and because the way the doors angle, it only hits her. It doesn't hit me. So she constantly, so I get start the night off always open, wide open, let the air come in with that. And then she normally tries to wait till I fall asleep. And then I know she closes it, but a lot of times I'm not asleep. And so she'll get up thinking I'm asleep. And I'm like, Hey, what are you doing? So I can't sleep like we go back and forth. It's too hot. I'm going to have to leave. I had an uncle that put a lock box over the thermostat. He literally, he literally put a box with a little padlock on it. Because the ultimate move, right? Him and his kids and his wife would fight over it so much that he had the, and he only, he's the only one with. Bro, I told stories before. I think I've shared on this podcast. I'm paying the bill.  Like we never, we, and it was for money reasons, right? Like our parents did not want it, like ever run it either, either way. Saving money over a little thing.  And he, you'd hear him jump out of bed right away. Open the bed. Who turned on the thermostat? It's like, God damn, we moved like one degree up, dude. Just trying to get a little bit of heat dad before we go to sleep. And dad's spider senses.  My grandparents were the best about this. My grandma and grandfather would literally be, are you cold? And they would, they would go get blankets and jackets for us. So we'd be like, we're dressed like we're outside in the house. Okay, so I don't, I don't understand then why, uh, Chilly has not figured out a commercial for this because I feel like, Oh bro, I bet you they've saved so many marriages. 100% it is like the, it's definitely saved.  And if you, cause, okay. So, so people don't know it's a pad that goes under your, your, it's on top of your mattress, under your sheets. And it's, it uses water to cool or heat. And it literally almost negates your heater or your air conditioning. If your bed is cool or warm because of that, that you can turn everything off. And it makes that big of a difference. So it would save money. And I think you're right. I think a commercial showing how it saves couples. Well, I'm interested. I did look and they had the, uh, chili blanket too. So it's like, has a little bit of weight. It's like 15 pounds or something that like, just feels like those, uh, gravity blankets. And they still do the cooling, uh, through there with the tubes and everything. So it's like, yeah, it keeps the temperature. So it's like, you get from bottom and the top, if you want to like maximize. That's going to be you. I'm like, dude, I have to do that. Maybe an ice cream sandwich.   Dude, this seems way too much. Like generates heat. It's a duvet. Honey, get the duvet. No, ours is, we keep ours so different. I mean, I'm at this cold as it gets, which I think is like 55 or 52. And Katrina's got hers at like 90 something. So it is like dramatically different. We're in bed and Jessica's in a robe.  And I'm literally almost naked on top of everything with my legs out and feet out. Like, you know, whatever. You know, one of the best times for our relationship, as far as this, this silly argument was when she was pregnant and they went through the hot flashes. She went through like her first trimester, she went through like all these hovelies. And I remember her being like me. And I'm like, see, this is how I feel every day. See this? See how you feel right now?  You're like, well, I'm not quiet. Yeah, right. That's exactly what I blew up. I think I'm sure you sure that blew up. You lost that argument? Yeah. I'm sure I still lost. Not that uncomfortable. But I mean, like, because, but I think for the first time ever, she realized how uncomfortable you feel when you just run hot. And I'm like, I just run way hotter than you do most of the time. And so, and you can only strip down so much. You can bundle up. You can get in a robe and put three blankets on and shave everything. Yeah, you can go all the way, dude. It's still going to be hot. But you can only peel down so much.   Like you can be cremated. You can be buried and all this.  So there's an idea out there. It's so weird you're talking about this. I was just thinking about this yesterday. Dude, you can take. So I know yours is hilarious with like the whole like having a party and all that and like parading you around. I want to do this, dude. Like you could take your ashes, get cremated, and you could turn it into a vinyl record. Wow. That you could just like half play like forever. I'm like, so if you could do this, like what album would you do? Yeah. Oh, I wouldn't put, I wouldn't put music. I would put me saying something. Yeah. So my kids could play it and you know, it's me. Well, yeah, you could maybe you could do that, but also have like some of like like the ultimate playlist. I'm all sentimental just like, what? I put music on my mind.  Like, hey, there's grandpa's tunes, you know? Wow. I don't know, man. I don't know if I'd want to be cremated either. I think I don't think I want to be cremated. Oh, you're gonna get buried? I think so. Dude, I don't want them to reinvent. You're cremated too, right? Yeah. Me, Doug, what are you? I don't care. Doesn't matter to me. Oh, wow. You're like roll the dice. Well, I mean, so I'll all decide. Chop me up. Whatever's cheapest then we're doing. Chop me up beneath me. I don't care. We're like, wow. Can we see the budget plan, please? Doug really did care. So whatever's cheapest, that's what we're doing. We'll pre-made you and turn you into a dumbbell. We'll sell it on you. Buy Doug's ashes in a dumbbell.  I was watching, do you guys ever watch David Letterman's interviews on Netflix? Yeah, yeah, yeah.  One of the best interviewers. It is. It's like educational for us. Like, I mean, it makes, when I listen to him interview, I'm like, God, I want to get on that level. He's so relaxed and he's been doing it for so long. Right, right. He is a pro. I watch him back in the day all the time. He's so good. And his ability and range of the type of people. I mean, he could have Cardi B on. He could have Obama on. I mean, he could go any direction with type of guest and make them feel so comfortable and relaxed. Why does that make you think about dying? So there was a, no, there's a, he did. I was listening to the one with Cardi B and he actually took her to Roosevelt's house. And they, and they have like this beautiful property and they have the house all still staged and what it was like when he lived there and with that. And he's like buried on the property. And I actually had never thought about that before. Like if I could keep a property in the family forever, that's like this beautiful property. And I had, that's the only way I'd want to be buried is if it was like, I'm the only one with like Katrina on the property. And it's like a family, like big home that stays in our family forever. And that they grow like a fruit tree on top of you. So that the roots go in and then. Yeah, I don't know about that. Delicious people pick it. Adam apples. Right back to the garden of Eden. These, these apples taste terrible. That's what made me think about it was I was watching, I was watching. Why are these apples so moody? Stop telling people that, bro. Stop telling people all of a sudden. Yeah, I'm just direct. I like that idea though, on the property. Yeah, that's so, if I were to be buried, I wouldn't mind being like in a place where, you know, the family still comes and visits and then we kept playing. And then just haunt them every now and then. It reminds me of that joke, you ever had a joke where these two guys, like their best friends, they're like, hey, if one of us dies first, we got to come back and visit the other guy. And one of them does die and he visits the other guy in a dream and he's like, what's it like, man? And he goes, oh, it's wild, man. He goes like just green fields as far as you can see.  And he goes, that's kind of weird. I don't think heaven would be like that. He's like, no, no, I'm a cow in Montana.  Hey, speaking of cows. What a great commercial transition. Bro, you totally set that up. You get a 10 out of 10 for that one. Listen, this is a- 10 out of 10. Is this real, Doug? I'm reading this right now on the TV here. It's real. It's real. They're giving away seven pounds of meat when you first sign up for the butcher box right now. That's like your arm. Rib-eye drumsticks and burgers, seven pounds. So it's rib-eyes, drumsticks, burgers, seven pounds worth for free in your first order of butcher box. This is a great deal, especially how expensive meat is right now. Yeah, no kidding.  Seven pounds. And there's no contract, right? You sign up and you can cancel whatever you want. So technically, you could take advantage of them if you want. Doug and I cooked some ground beef together this last weekend. It was a special moment, to be sure. My guy's always trying to make us jealous. I know. Hey, hold on. Is it like the movie Ghost, except this time it's here. Your hands in the meat together? Just manipulate the grill. Doug's natural. I'm like, is this how you do it, Doug? Yeah. No, more like this. Yeah, Doug. More like this. No, seasoning. No, your hands are touching in the ground beef as you're like smashing. Less hips, Adam. Less hips. So what did you guys make? No, so I have this generic dish that I always make, and Doug put his little spin on that sausage. Stop. Stop. I'm stressed. I'm sorry. Too far. Please, that isn't it. Too far. Keep going. Justin, Justin, Justin. Too far. Justin. No, it's a go-to dish. Ground beef, mushrooms, diced up onions, and then just rice. And I normally just like season. Carson, you eat that. Yeah, and I just mix it with like a Montreal seasoning or whatever like that. But Doug gave me this. Is it a Thai paste? No, it's Korean. Korean paste. Yeah, gochujang. Is this the one that you did the time the Korean ribs? No, that's different. Okay. Yeah. Everything you make is good. Yeah, those are good. I know. Well, he did two things different to my recipe and just made it. Oh, and then we also, we crack. Actually, there's three things that he did way better to my recipe. It was much better than when I make it. One was the Korean paste that he added to it. Then he changed my rice to sticky sushi rice. And then he put the over-easy egg. And he taught me, I didn't, it's okay. I'm terrible at making eggs. Like, I can make scrambled eggs, no problem. That's my jam. But over-easy eggs are hard to make. Like, you know, the flip I always... No, you don't have to flip. You put a lid. I didn't know that. Yeah. I did. You never see me make, I make 12 eggs in the morning when we're up there. No, no, no. I try to avoid you with food.  Yeah, that's the way you do it. You put a lid, a see-through lid, so you can see them and you don't have to flip them. Yeah, I had no idea. You had water when you did that? A tiny bit. Yeah, yeah. That's kind of steam them. Yeah, I did not know that. I love eggs over.  Over-easy, over-medium is my favorite. Yeah, so then we, so we made that dish. Mixed all together, put that paste in there a little bit and then put two over-easy eggs on top of it. Right, and then the yolk goes in there. Oh, that sounds good. It was bomb. I mean, I already liked that dish, but with Doug's adding to it, it made it super bomb. So, hold on. Is this sale going on with them because of Memorial Day? Is that what's going on? Honestly, I don't know when it ends. Let me see if I can find out for you. You know, we have a Memorial Day sale going on already. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Huge one. Yeah. Yeah, ends on the 12th of June. Okay, so past Memorial Day. Are you talking about Butcher Boxes? Butcher Box, yeah. Okay, so. How long's our Memorial Day sale go? I think it's until June 1st. Now, let me be clear, and we can edit this out if I'm wrong. I don't want to steer people the wrong way. It's 50% off. All programs. Everything. Not bundles. No, all programs. Yeah. Every single program, 50% off until. June 1st. Okay, so we don't do this kind of a sale, except for maybe Black Friday. Black Friday or something like that. So this is huge. And then what's the code there? MD 2020. 2022. 2022, yeah. So if you go to mapsfitnessproducts.com, any maps program, you'll get 50% off with the code MD 2022. And again, we only do this usually for Black Friday. So this is a pretty big deal. So do it. Do you want to increase the usable amount of protein that you consume for your body? Would you like to digest your carbohydrates and fats better so that you get more energy, less digestive issues? Do you eat a high protein diet? You gotta check out this company by Optimizers. 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I was just athletic in general, just an outside kid. But since getting into it, I lost about 70 pounds initially. I was originally 230, and then I dropped all the way down to 156. Then I started bringing my weight back up to at least 190 to 200. I'm six foot, and I sit at 205 today. But the concerning thing that I saw getting my test results back was that I am a low oxidizer, which I didn't understand. I'd never really heard before. And I kind of went over with my health coach what that meant, and she said that this kind of means a slower metabolism. And she gave me some foods and fruits and vegetables that I should specifically be eating, because what it meant was that my body wasn't digesting things properly, so I needed to give it what it needed. And I guess typically with a low oxidizer, it requires higher carbohydrates. So you're looking at like a 60% 2020 ratio for what you're taking in, and that my body right now isn't breaking down proteins correctly due to a mold infection that they discovered in my digestive tract. So I'm working with them to do the cleanse and get that taken care of. So my question today is, what should my focus be on? If I'm still trying to build muscle, should I even try to attempt to build muscle right now with my protein ratio being so low and me needing to focus on having carbohydrates to have more sustained energy? That was the main reason why I took the test was I have been experiencing so many lolls in energy recently. And it turns out that I'm just not eating enough carbohydrates to give my body the proper energy. So that's my question. 60 2020, by the way, is not, you're not low, you're fine. Yeah. Percentage wise, that's a pretty normal diet. Yeah. So the way I understand oxidizer, I remember, by the way, back in the day, we used to do these questionnaires to determine if someone was a fast, moderate or slow oxidizer. And essentially that basically means how quickly you convert food into energy. And I used to have this whole presentation around it. Anyway, they now have testing that's much more accurate. And so here's the question I'm going to pose to you, Greg. Which version of you do you think is going to build more muscle? The healthy version or the less healthy version? Obviously, the healthy version will build the most muscle. That's right. So when we give advice on the show, eating high protein and doing certain things, we're talking to a general audience. But if you put someone in front of me as an individual, sometimes my advice changes. I've had clients who do way better on a more vegetarian diet where the protein was much lower than what you might hear us recommend on the show because their digestion was better. They felt less inflamed. They had more energy. So because you're working with people who are working with you as an individual, you're working with experts who are looking at your profile, they're looking at your blood test, your urine, and your hair, they can give you individualized advice that I can't give you right now on the podcast. So I would say take their advice. Now, on the other end of it, you say, okay, well, how can I build muscle? How can I still focus that? Well, that's the workout part. You let us worry about that. That's our expertise. Now, let's still take their advice on that as well. They may tell you that you need to work out less intensely, more intensely, or whatever. But as long as you send that muscle-building signal and you train appropriately, the diet that you follow that they recommend to you that's better for your health is going to be the one that's going to contribute to the best gains and the best results. I think he understands that. I think the question is the last part you just said that he was really looking for is, should my programming change? Because I'm focused on my health. I'm not eating as maybe high protein. I'm eating more carbohydrates. Does that mean I shouldn't be focused on building muscle? And so the short, easy answer is no, absolutely still follow a MAPS program and still focus on trying to build muscle. The one thing that I would just caution is your health comes first here, right? And you're going to be getting advice from a nutritionist who's helping you along the way. And to Sal's point, they may say, hey, it seems like you're overreaching or training too hard intensely. So you would just scale back. So that I wouldn't reckon, it's like someone in your situation, like I would never say, go follow MAPS PED, right? Like that would be terrible advice. You'd run something like anabolic or performance, maybe even aesthetic. And then I ran anabolic here recently and I did pretty well the first time around and that's like a break. And I started running it again and I just hit a wall. Like it was hard for me to get past the first phase again because it just felt like I was going nowhere. Like I just kind of plateaued and again the whole energy aspect came into it. And I obviously at the time when I was running it, I wasn't eating enough, I don't think, to have sustained energy for the program. But I recently had bought symmetry. So I was wondering, like, if you think that would be a good program. That's fine. That's the perfect one to do. Great program. And you're addressing the reason, sounds like you're really addressing the reason why you felt the way you did. With Dr. Steven Cabral's team. So symmetry is great. I would follow that. And if it feels like it's working, if you feel good, you stick to it. Another program I would say that might be good would be strong. But I like symmetry for you. I'd say stick with that and follow their advice and I think you'll start to see things moving in the right direction. And by the way, we just, I mean we just finished finalizing the contract last night or the night before Doug and I with Cabral and we're in the process right now of starting the forum. So like we have a hormone forum, like we have our private forum, we're also now going to have a forum specifically for people that have questions just like this from Cabral's team. So that it's going to be managed by them. They'll be, it'll be somebody in there pretty much around the clock answering questions. They'll come on there every week and do live Q&As. So that's coming for you guys. That's a, and it'll be a free service for mind pump listeners to have access to that. So just know that's coming. Oh, that's awesome. Cool. Awesome. Thanks, Greg. I hope that helped you. Oh, thank you so much. Excellent. Yeah, so I'll use an example, kind of what I was talking about, because I do think this is an important point to make. We've made it before, but I think it can't be stressed enough. You know, you look at like people in the extreme end of the diet spectrum, like Dr. Paul Saladino, right?  And for him, it radically improved his health. Now, generally speaking, a carnivore diet is inferior to a balanced diet when it comes to building muscle. There's, there's tons of studies that show this that eating carbohydrates and fats and having a balanced diet is probably better, or definitely better for performance and strength. But in his individual example, those were terrible for him, because whenever he ate anything aside from meat, he had an immune response, inflammation, reaction. So for him, the best diet to build muscle was the carnivore diet. So I'm using an extreme example, just kind of illustrate what I'm talking about, where if your health is bad, I don't care what you read or what you hear as advice. If it's not working for you and you feel your health being poor, don't stick to it just because you heard, you know, podcasters and influencers and read a study on it. At the end of the day, your individual body is what counts, not what works for most people. Yeah, getting yourself healthy is the utmost priority always. And so that's why it's always going to shift in terms of whatever you're doing or whatever advice, you know, general advice we're kind of putting out there to the individual what's going to move the needle the most is to have all of your systems working at its optimal ability. And I like, and I was going to kind of suggest symmetry just because I always feel like if there's something you're working on health-wise, like to also like kind of slow down and take that time to address other things. So maybe it's like joint health and maybe it's like, you know, stability, mobility, things that like you would, you would totally not have as much fun doing, but he's low energy right now. And it's something that he can kind of focus and it tends to kind of mirror that process nicely. I like that advice because I got the impression that that's what really he was looking for. I think he, I mean, I don't think we need to convince him anything about what he should or shouldn't do diet and nutrition. I think he's on board with that. I think his big concern was now that I'm focusing on my health and really trying to get that in order, can I still try and build muscle, cyanotase, or can I still train in a manner that would be, you know, advantageous to lifting and heavy and building muscle? I think that's where he was, what he was really searching for. So, and I think the answer to that is, yeah, and but you still listen to your body, right? Like anabolic, I think is great. I think symmetry is great. But if you're going along and it's taxing and you're not recovering, like then I would scale back on the intensity on that. But more than likely with him feeding himself in this manner, he's probably gonna feel better. He's probably gonna feel great. He'll build more muscle. Yeah, you start reading. He's gonna build more. And I was referring to the written part of the question where he's pretty specific. And he's like, how can I build muscle with lower protein intake? How is this gonna work when I'm eating so many carbs? That's why I wanted to address that. I noticed people listening who may feel better on a diet that is not the quote unquote ideal muscle building diet. And they question it, wait a minute. I know I'm supposed to eat this way because I read about it, but I feel better this way. Am I gonna lose muscle? No, if you're healthier, you're in a better position. Well, the irony of that too though is, 60, 20, 20 is pretty much the standard muscle building diet that I would put somebody on. So that's the ratios I put most clients on, unless they have a specific condition or they don't like that much carbs, they prefer a little bit heavier fat. But for the most part, a 60, 20, 20 is a very balanced, normal split, and you can build tremendous muscle off of that. Our next caller is Rachel from Illinois. What's up, Rachel? How can we help you? Hey guys, thanks so much for having me on today. You got it. All right, you want my question? Yes, I do. Okay, so I'm a full-time personal trainer. I've been doing this for eight years. And then I'm struggling right now because I'm full-time training in the gym as well as teaching classes, and I'm virtually training people, still coming off of COVID. Some people prefer to do the virtual stuff still. And I'm struggling to get motivated to train myself. And I know you guys' background as trainers and stuff like that. I didn't know if you had any advice for someone like me who's in the gym all day active and all that, but I just can't find the motivation to actually train myself. I like this question. Is it just because you want to get out of work because you're in the gym, so you're like, I want to leave when you're done? It's more so, I think, yeah, just to get out of there or just there's so many distractions from other people coming up and interrupting me if I get into my workout. And I don't know if that's avoidable, but just kind of getting in my old routine. I used to train five days a week, break it up, and now I'm struggling to even get into a routine where I'm feeling like I'm actually building strength. I mean, I'm maintaining because I'm active all day, but I'm just not finding that five days a week where I'm lifting heavy or making any gains in general. You know, I remember that.  All the time, yeah, people would come up. That's why I love the over-the-ear big headphone trend. I love that trend. And then the hoodie. Yeah, I love that trend came so he could hide. You know what I used to do, Rachel, is I used to work out at a different gym. So I would manage gyms and then I used to get interrupted because I'd work out and then I'd hear my name on the intercom, you know, Sal up to, I was the general manager, right? So Sal up to the front desk, I have to answer question. Member would come up to me, staff member would come up and my whole workout would get ruined. So what I used to do is I'd have my time to work out, which usually was from 12 to 130 and I'd leave and I'd go work out at another gym. Now you may not want to do that, but I would ask you, are there other forms of physical activity that you do enjoy besides working out in the gym? That goes along the lines of the tip that I was going to give that I think has been crucial to the, you know, two decades plus of training that I've done is, I've been in this situation multiple times and what has helped me is completely shifting my focus or my goal. So what sometimes it's hard to get motivated to go back and do kind of the same thing that I've been doing for nine years of, you know, getting stronger, getting leaner, building some muscle. It's like, how about radically shifting like your focus? Like when have I ever trained just to get a bigger vertical or to move faster or to be more mobile or, you know, pick an exercise that you never do, like a Turkish getup and get really good at it? Like I think that helps fitness professionals. When you've done this for a really long time, sometimes the same old lift in to be strong, lift in to look good goal all the time gets boring. Yeah. Totally. And so I love when I get in a rut like this, if I feel that way, I'm like, well, you know, I feel this way.  I've already done it. I've already proved myself, I can get hella ripped. I've already proved I can get hella strong. It's like, but you know what I haven't done? I've never got really good at Turkish getup, you know, or I've never said, I'm going to write a program to increase my vertical by six to eight inches and see if I can do it. Like that has always helped me to get out of those ruts and to just kind of refocus and switch my goal. Yeah. Totally to piggyback on top of that.  And I had to like practice it continuously because then that drove me a bit more to incorporate that in the workouts.  Oh yeah. I was just going to say that. So it's just one of those things. Like there's plenty of those now out there. And I've been looking at them a lot. And I'm kind of, that's one of my one things where I'm like, ah, you know, doing this is amazing. But also if I was still just being a trainer, there's so many of those like modalities that are popping up out there that are so interesting. Like one of them is like landmine university. I don't know if you've seen that yet, but look into their stuff. Really, really cool what they're doing. But there's just a lot of examples of that that you can look and seek to, you know, enhance your education as well. Rachel, do you still enjoy training people? Yeah. I love my job. That's the thing. And I do love actually listening to your guys' podcast. Came upon it like a couple months. And it's really helped me with new ideas and just like information and stuff. So I feel like that way, like I'm learning new things to do, which I then do myself. So that's been really helpful. And I do like that idea. I enjoy all sports being in the Chicago area. The weather is just terrible. So it's like finding something I can do inside because, you know, like I love to run. But then again, listening to you guys, like running is like... No, no, no. Listen, listen. I want to be clear. Okay. Running is better than nothing. It's better than nothing or doing nothing.  You work in the space. So, you know, it'll probably happen. You run for a while and then you'll probably be like, yeah, I feel like I want to lift again or I want to do more mobility work. I mean, that's an amazing, by the way, it's a very good way to have your lifestyle around fitness is to weave in and out of different modalities, different training methods. And then as a trainer, and this is why I asked you if you still enjoy training people, Justin made my favorite point, which is as you do different things, you become a better trainer. You just do because you have different insights. Not necessarily new information. You don't necessarily learn new info, but as you implement different things, you get more excited about them. You maybe notice things in your clients. Bring creativity back. That energy and that creativity makes you a better trainer. So you might be stuck in this rut of this is how I should work out, but how you exercise, I mean, there's a million and one ways to do it. Forget about your goals for a second.  I mean, there's absolutely nothing wrong. Or just radically change the goals. And then part of the goal could be have fun. So it doesn't have to always, I think we always get, we always default to the get lean, lose body fat or build muscle. You know what I'm saying? That we always default to that as trainers and coaches, I feel like. And even like members, it's like, there's so many, this world of health and fitness is so broad. And I agree. I love Justin's point that he's making since we're talking to a coach. Like, man, go dive into something that you're really unfamiliar with. If you've never gone deep on kettlebells, go deep on kettlebells. You've never gone deep on landmine. Go deep on it. If you've never gone deep on May spells and like build your entire routine, go learn, take a certification, do your whole routine around that. And what you'll see is like, you're going to find so many things that you're going to be able to apply to all your clients. And I think it'll rejuvenate both your own training and then also what you're doing with your clients. Completely. Now, at the risk of potentially angering Adam, do you have a Maps Prime or Prime Pro? No, I didn't. Since I started listening, I haven't. She's only been listening for a month or two, bro. All right. Oh, okay. Yeah. So, yeah, yeah. It's only the ones that have been listening for years that I ran along to. Oh, okay, all right.  There's a lot of stuff in there that you might not be familiar with. So take a look at that and maybe that'll spark some, you know, some of that motivation, some of that inspiration. Thank you. I really appreciate that. That's great advice. No problem, Rachel. Thanks for calling in. All right. Thanks for having me. Thank you. You know, if we were to, if you were to compare like two different individuals, one person follows the perfect routine but really doesn't enjoy it that much. The other person doesn't really follow the perfect routine but loves what they do all the time over the course of a lifetime who's going to be more fit and healthy, right? And happier. And happier. So there's nothing wrong with that. The problem is when you, believe it or not, the big problems happen when you stick to one thing all the time. You never move outside of it. Then issues start to develop. And also, again, just like the previous question, we communicate to a general audience but talking to Rachel, it's like, okay, so what? You don't like to work out in the gym? Go do something outside. Go do something else. Nothing wrong with that. You're still active and as a trainer, it just makes you better. Our next caller is Aaron from California. Aaron, how's it going? How can we help you? Good. How's it going, gents? First off, just like to thank you guys for the opportunity to come on your show and ask a question. But I guess I'll just get right down to it. So I've been listening to you guys for about four years now. So I've heard a whole bunch of different training tips and things from you guys. But I first bought a program about the Map Starter a couple years ago that came with the Maps Prime program in it. And been kind of messing around with it. I didn't really get into it when I bought it about two years ago because I had active duty military and had some training and a deployment that came up that kind of took me away from my fitness goal. But basically what I'm trying to figure out is based off the Maps Prime program. I just bought Maps Performance as well that I'm starting to run. And I'm trying to see should I be using the separate workouts from Maps Prime zones do like one zone per day and just focus on those priming exercises or would you guys recommend kind of picking and pulling from different zones to kind of focus on trouble areas like if I've got shoulder mobility issues or ankle or knee or hip just kind of what you guys recommend as far as building a priming session before I go into a workout. All right, Aaron. So first off, I want to thank you for your service but let's get into your question here. So for someone who's listening right now and not familiar with Maps Prime Maps Prime has an assessment portion it's called a Compass test you do the test and then that'll direct you in terms of what priming movements you should do before your workout which will be correctional in nature. So it'll help you fire muscle a little bit better it'll help you get better recruitment patterns get into the groove faster and really maximize the effects of your workout workout, right? So did you take the Compass test, Aaron? Yeah, so I did did the three Compass tests and like I said notice some kind of mobility issues to my back or my shoulder I've got bad shoulder, bad knees so I assumed it was kind of a focus on the problem areas if the workouts from that workout day are going to be the focus but it wasn't 100% positive so Yeah, so based on your test that will direct you and tell you how many priming movements per zone you should do before your workout. So I would do those priming movements from those zones that you did the worst in so if you did like really bad in zone one then you'll pick I think two or three priming movements from that zone if you did really well in zone two then maybe just one and so on so that helps individualize it for your body and then what you do is you do the priming session before your workout so if you're following mass performance the first 10 minutes or so will be your individualized maps priming session and then you get into your workout and then afterwards if you have time you do what's called the post priming session and that's how it's individualized and it'll work alongside with your body in essence to add a little bit to that because there's a good question for a lot of people that have have the program and have the similar type of question sometimes what happens is someone will take these compass tests and they fail like miserably and there's like all kinds of all kinds of issues going on and in that case I normally tell someone to pick you know maybe two areas to like really focus on and every time you go on or like what you notice helps you move better the best in the workout and then we'll eventually work our way through the last so I don't know how many areas that you saw issues in so if you had like four or five things that you that were really glaring I might pick just two of those and say let's let's let's fix these two big rocks let's say in your case because you mentioned knee right away that comes to mind for me is like hip and ankle right or you mentioned shoulder so I'm looking at the shoulder mobility stuff right so I might pick two or three movements that one that helps your shoulder one that helps your hips one that helps your ankle mobility and those become your staple priming movements every single time before you work out in addition to that you want to get in the habit of doing that as much as you can because we're working on on mobility in a joint where you you lack it then it doesn't hurt to do that too three four times a day so now that you have those priming movement that the idea is I always do this before I lift and when I'm watching TV or down hanging out with the kids or doing something like I'm always trying to do these little movements to five minutes and this is where we kind of individualize it because it depends on the severity of what you need to correct right so if you and you'll notice like the distance like for instance it it it took for you to get your hands to touch the wall or your elbows all the way back or you know and just in terms of your external rotation your shoulder so if if you know depending on the severity of it like I would repeat those movements like whenever you think about it throughout the day like this is just one of those things we're re-teaching the body that this is a priority to be able to maintain and hold this type of position and to get in this range of motion so the more frequently you can do that and connect with it this isn't about like intensity and this isn't an exercise where it's damaging this is something that where you're reprogramming your body to be able to form into these positions okay yeah that makes a lot of sense actually all right perfect I'm glad we could help thanks Aaron all right thank you very much you got it yeah um if if people really knew the value of proper priming I mean nobody everybody would do it well it's a little complex right that's why I like that question and I like addressing this because if you own prime and you've got a lot of issues going on it could be a bit overwhelming you know it could be like oh my god I've got I failed all three tests and where do I start what do I do and do I do it before workouts do I don't even do another workout and all I do is prime so and there and you know it also presents one of the greatest challenges that we had building maps fitness products right is we knew that there's such an individual variance that there's no such thing as a single digital program that's great for everybody so it's like we took some core principles that we know would help the majority but the idea of this podcast the forum you know the community that we've built is to be able to give people access to these big rocks that we think they'll help them and then teach them how to modify it and mold it into for themselves yeah for themselves in their lifestyle and we try and simplify it right because that was the biggest thing was like I know a lot of these like movement assessments and you know from physical therapists and really like brilliant people that and then they're pretty elaborate but it's like how do you apply that how do you apply that every day how does this make sense to your everyday average person and so you know to simplify we need to keep having these conversations to be able to get people to understand like there's a simple way to address it and move the needle the most our next caller is Aubrey from Nevada Aubrey what's happening how can we help you hi how's it going guys first of all I just want to start like saying thank you just like everybody else um I've learned a lot from you guys just helped with schooling and everything so I really appreciate it awesome um I want to start kind of just giving you some background on my life so I go to the University of Nevada right now I'm studying kinesiology and nutrition um I'm a senior so I'm almost done have another year left but um I also work two jobs so I work a full-time job have about 16 credits usually on a typical semester and then I also have a part time job at a PT clinic so I'm very very busy so I get up around like 4.45 every morning um to get to work at 5.30 and then I work pretty much till noon to one um and then I go to school until around three and then I work at the clinic from three to around 7.30 to 8 um so super busy and I'm just kind of wondering how to program around that so I have a very unpredictable schedule things like that I've been trying to follow programs some of your guys' programs but it's just very difficult so I'm just kind of wondering how I can program around that and when I should prioritize like sleep and things because I have to get up so early and if I go to work out sometimes after work I won't be getting very much sleep yeah Aubrey before Sal steps in and answers I have a question for you um have you had the hamburger tacos at taco shop I haven't oh my god oh bro what a sin man you have to get up I wish we could send you some right now it's downtown from you oh okay you said the taco shop yes okay I'll have to go there you will have to it's a little alleyway it's hard to find okay look up look up taco shop and you gotta go there and you get the hamburger taco cheeseburger oh excuse me that sounds good excuse me cheeseburger tacos thank you cheeseburger that's like it's like an abomination right there American food it is amazing so Aubrey first off I want to say you're a champion I mean you it sounds like you're paying your way through quite the workload you're learning a lot you're working hard like you are a champion it's not always going to be like this until you have kids and it'll be like the skin but I'll say this okay so sleep has got to be our priority okay it has to be a priority because if your sleep goes down your workouts don't matter anymore so make sure you prioritize sleep and I'll say this you're you're probably better off following a workout program where you can throw in workouts when you have time in other words not super scheduled so what might be good for you would be a program like map suspension where you have suspension trainers hanging somewhere in your room or take them in your car and when you've got 30 minutes put them up and do some exercises and that would be the way that I would do it because your schedule is crazy I mean you're literally you know 445 to 8pm and that doesn't even include studying so it sounds crazy to me and it sounds like you might have like one or two days off during the week like Saturday Sunday which you probably want to sleep most of the day yeah I I have Saturday Sunday often yeah Saturday is kind of like my I don't want to do anything day sure and then on Sunday me and my boyfriend basically meal prep all of our meals throughout the whole week so that way I'm not not eating because if I don't meal prep I won't eat so we do that Sunday and then those two days I kind of don't even worry about trying to get into the gym because it's like I need those two days to just kind of like reset of course yeah you're I mean you're again you're a badass I would I would get do you have map suspension no I don't I was I'm working trying to work through map symmetry right now because I noticed that I'm very unsymmetrical and my side to side from my right side to my left side so I've been trying to work through that but like I haven't even gotten through a full week and I'm supposed to be starting phase three this week so well if you want to follow map symmetry then the way I would follow it is I would do someone you can and then wait for the next yeah in chunks then that's another way you could follow map symmetry so I know it's laid out a particular way but you have to modify it because your lifestyle is is I mean I so hectic I like if I like maps anabolic one day a week and then suspension trainer sprinkled throughout when you can through the week so if I could if I could mold like a full body workout once one day a week because you hit everything and just and choose the day that you feel the best you got the best rest and you and you feel great you make sure you get one good lifting full body routine at a maps anabolic and then I would have that so I love the suspension trainer advice I would have that tool at my house somewhere strapped up to where oh man I got a little 15 minute window or 20 minute window right now and I feel pretty good like I'm gonna go over there or maybe I've been sitting studying for the last two or three hours take a break so I'll take a break and move for 15 or 20 minutes I'll go get out on my suspension trainer and do some moves on that I like that so if I were to customize something based off of what I'm hearing from you I would love to see you train one day a week at a full body maps anabolic type of routine and pick one to just pick one of the three days every week when you're whenever you can fit it in there and then the other times I love the advice that Sal gave with a suspension trainer so that would be my yeah that's a good idea my advice yeah just break it in chunks I mean it's you're gonna get it when you can get it and so you'll know what that looks like and if there's somewhere around where you can hang that strap you know at work or you know wherever you can get it like or do pull-ups where it's available so I mean rubber bands are good for this as well but I like this I like the advice of suspension Doug's gonna hate me for this but I we're also creating something right now that I think would be perfect for you I know man I wish you could promote it I'll sing it the same thing yeah so we got we got something for like someone just like you who has we've been thinking about your needs yeah so so for now for now I think the advice that we're giving or hook you up with the program stuff so I think that's a good place to start but look out for what we got coming in the next couple months we'll send you anabolic and and suspend do you have anabolic I have anabolic yes well we'll send you suspension we'll send you suspension by the way so what do you start are you gonna be a physical therapist is that what you want to do yeah so I'm sending kinesiology right now at UNR and then I'm minoring a nutrition and then hopefully I'm gonna start applying to PT school this year because I graduate next spring hopefully I can get into PT school by next fall look into Luna okay Luna is a company that allows physical therapist to kind of moonlight like uber and uh really awesome way less paperwork you actually make more money too and it's uh it's totally changing the physical therapy industry so look into Luna it's a great company yeah I think I remember that episode you guys talked about that and I was like that's a good idea so thanks Aubrey thanks for calling in yeah best of luck to you thank you guys you got it you know I will say this right it's uh it's not ideal to live your entire life this way where you're like just grinding all time but I will say this this is a phase the time to do it is when you're that age you don't got kids you don't have those responsibilities and this is when when it's it's a good time to see what you're made of and to push yourself and to set yourself up so that later you don't have to do so much right oh yeah no it's it's it's the most ideal time to really push and grind and uh establish that that foundation that then you can you know pull yourself out of that being said when you guys say push and grind I'm thinking pushing grind on all these things that she's having accomplished the gym should try and compliment correct yes right that's what I mean so I think that's the mistake that probably I made at this age you grind everything right you grind everything it's like no sleep in the same shit like sleep's overrated I'll do it when I'm dead shit like that it's like so you're you're also smashing it grinding at the school dance yeah you gotta stop doing that right you're grinding grinding everywhere and I this is a perfect example she's she's killing it in so many other aspects of her life that you know the workout piece you don't you actually don't want to take the same probably approach in mindset as you have it all these other things and you should be thinking more what can I do to compliment well it should always be that way your exercise routine should always be designed or applied in a way that improves the quality of your life in the current context of your life how can I work out in a way to make my life better right now and that means your workouts are going to change as your life changes so yeah but somebody at somebody at this age sometimes we'll we'll misinterpret that feeling of like pushing in the gym as like oh what do you mean sometimes probably most of the time and then what you don't realize is and I'm glad you started with the like the number one thing that we want to focus on is sleep first because then you sacrifice the sleep and then what you don't realize is how that kicks up cravings and then now how the how making good food choices is a dominant effect yeah right then you're adding caffeine that's right then you're adding caffeine and then you're you're sleeping you know you're smoking crack in the back alley it's just it just escalates just you don't want to do that real fast