recording and I have to cut it all out before um okay I'm gonna go live all right I think we're live uh hopefully I haven't I I'm guessing that we have no audio whatsoever because there's no wait a minute hold on a second let me I mean I heard audio when the stream started up okay yeah the OBS window is so small on my smaller monitor over here that I can't see all of the the mixer so the mic mixer is off off the monitor so I I see no levels whatsoever while I'm talking okay so if if we can get some yeas or nays on audio I'd be appreciative of those of you who are watching uh these this is me Matt saying some words Tyler some words please this is me Tyler speaking uh hello and welcome from the south how you doing with auto the burglary virtualistic xp yeli docious so so we got we have the blurry redneck and then we we got mary poppins uh I can hear Matt and Tyler so you guys can hear Steve that doesn't make any sense at all can't hear me no I I think they could I I think that that message showed up before Steve talked so I think we should have a good sound good um you never know we you take a week off and things go crazy so all right well wait so are you using pipe wire no I'm using pulse audio um redcore does not come with pipe wire even installed and I when I decided I was going to try wailin the wailin version of plasma because the xorg version of plasma just crapped out on me I was like well you know maybe I will install pipe wire and I looked into the process and it's I don't want I'm not messing with it like pulse audio is working fine I'm not gonna touch it because if you touch it it's gonna break um where's josh josh is having uh computer issues he broke the challenge this morning because his uh gpu crashed so he hopped and he's still and then he tried to hop to arch Linux why why wouldn't he know that man knows arch Linux hates his guts yes the ironic thing is his guts his machine's guts well in this case I think it's a little bit of both he should he should have just done gentoo he could have compiled it a kernel in two hours would have been fine yeah well the funny thing is so I just I had I actually hadn't gone to redcore's website uh and I just have a quick question since you are using this now um why is there no like I don't see redcore anywhere other than the copy left at the very bottom all I see is who who dot okay that's because that's the blog framework whatever that they used ah he forgot to change the logo I'm guessing um but other than that yeah he has they did the whole custom url thing but apparently forgot to change the logo up there in the top is more either it's the the the blog framework that they're using or it's the like they bought a theme off from theme forest and and vato or whatever and forgot to change the default logo uh how how he didn't notice that I don't know either that or there's another story behind it I don't know I don't it's possible maybe that's like that's not his name he for sure it's not his name so I don't know um also the the font they use up there in the menu either misspelled bug or bug or the g just doesn't looks like a c I'm just out there all right anyways it doesn't really matter we do have to go ahead and get started so I'm gonna go ahead and go to the workspace that I have audacity on which is like 12 because I have something on every single workspace right now which is ridiculous um kind of while since I've been there so you guys got audacity or whatever you're using to record up and running yes also just got my phone ocean audio you're welcome brother I also just got um my phone silenced I don't know if you guys heard that I got like 16 instruments using my phone as a camera so it's silenced yeah I got mine on do not disturb all right good all right all right welcome guys to the live show if you got if you're if you're um catching this afterwards there will be timestamps that will show up in a few hours after the stream so if you want to bypass things you can do so eventually usually around eight or nine o'clock in the evening is when I get around to actually putting those things in eventually I'll do them right after the thing but I usually step away for like dinner or whatever after the podcast so if you want timestamps they will eventually be there okay I'm gonna go ahead and hit record oh I can't record there's no steve steve where'd you go are you just wait what happened oh my god he did just disappear like one minute steve was there in the next poof no steve wait no he is in the chair I see him his just his head's down steve what are you doing steve oh well now his webcam's just loading for me no I don't think he's there all I see is like a coat no his head is down I wonder if he got frozen I wonder if he's frozen very well could be it very well I wonder if I'm having internet problems is that is that is that because you're very out of focus yeah I see it on the stream I'm really blurry I don't know I mean this could this could be technical difficulties on discord side of things it could be seems more likely for being fast I'm gonna run a speed test that's a very technical way of knowing if you're having internet problems we want a speed test as well make sure it's not on my end because my my mom very well could wait no not speed what what speed test on that I'm getting 900 down let's see and 60 up ping is at one hell yeah 600 oh shit oh yeah average about 750 megabits down yeah I think we're good you're back you can't hear us you hear us steve yeah sorry guys my computer crashed excellent all good all good you should go you should go to windows like one of us here has hey come on we have to put that in context okay you can you can tell the story once we could go on if you want we do have to get started if otherwise steve's gonna have to light a candle or something no no no sorry guys my computer completely crashed and it's all good on its own okay all right we're gonna go ahead and get started you got you're ready to go everybody ready to go now yes sir all right now I gotta find audacity and all right so I'm gonna hit record and audacity you guys can go ahead and record I'm gonna hit record in OBS all right recording and uh steve uh go ahead and lead us off with some lovely claps that I'm sure we're gonna have perfectly timed all right three two one not even fucking close it might have all been a minute behind that was really bad oh wow can't do anything about that I live on in the north pole no you were dealing with the one that was furthest behind it was tyler I know it was because I waited for him to do it and as soon as I clap I'm like I'm like wait with latency that is gonna be so far off it's gonna be bad it's all right I'll line it up in post it's I'm sure it's gonna be great that's great um so I I asked I did a poll in the discord asking if it if people thought it would be okay if we just scrapped doing the live streams completely and I just posted an edited version of the podcast on saturdays um wait to copy me man hey I did that I did it that was my original way of doing it but the thing is is that almost everyone said no because the pre-show and the clapping was way too entertaining so trying to get guys I kind of did the same I kind of did the same thing and everybody wanted live because they they love mistakes and the issues because they the way they put it they said it feels more natural yeah it drives me bonkers because I want to have the fully edited perfect thing up there and I think it would get more views overall because it used to but also this is just way easier it just is easier because there's no editing yeah well well uh by the way Matt since you do audio also did you notice that anchor became uh podcast oh god I hate it with a yeah passion yeah same uh it's so bad especially because I have a I have a Spotify account right and that Spotify account is separate from my anchor account so because I've run two podcasts through anchor and it was a it was a mess trying to get to actually sign into the anchor one and then the the interface is just so bad I'm gonna be looking for something else I there has to be something else out there that is free well I'm not gonna since my podcast I just to convert the video into audio and I leave it as is and I upload it it's easy it's just the URL change probably one of the best ways of doing it for literally everyone out there is just scrapping trying to like put it out on iTunes and everything like like manually or like not manually but through anchor and probably the best thing to do would just be to upload it to the website and have it as a direct audio download from the website since you're using get out pages it probably won't I mean and audio well the reason the reason people do it is because the there's monetization well no okay that may be part of it but the real bit real is that there if you want people to listen to a podcast it has got to be on iTunes like it has got to be on iTunes and on Spotify now because there's the two platforms that they have to be on definitely Spotify and if you're not on those you can't get anybody to listen to your podcast but in order to be on those you have to have an rss feed in order to do an rss feed you wouldn't be able to use get get lab pages very easily one thing leads to another one thing right that's the reason why anchor was so good even after Spotify bought them it was fine because they didn't make any changes until just now like it was fine it was perfectly free you could upload as many episodes as you wanted to be you it could be any size episode you could upload like a four hour podcast if you wanted to they charge just nothing for it plus they did all the distribution work for you so you know it went to Spotify went to Apple went to Pocketcast it went to all you know you name it like 10 different platforms it went to it was so good they did all for you and now Spotify decided they were going to integrate it all into the the Spotify backend which is a god awful mess like whoever designed that needs to be fired is so bad um anyway I mean I do kind of understand them moving in that direction though because like if we're being honest Spotify has got to find a way to start making money like they are like they are burning through no but with uh I host that package on my repo Spotify ad blog you can enjoy Spotify without yeah audio ad um thank you Steve for getting us demonetized off from YouTube now I appreciate that uh it's a package on the arch repository I mean on the oh this this might be one of those one of those where Matt just takes down the live stream he's like I'm just not letting the edit version gonna cut out no it's funny I did a I did a video of the other day on virtualizing everything where I put I decided I was gonna do all my work and stuff in a virtual machine and one of the things that I was talking about was the alternatives to the Google based video platform that we're currently streaming on that I can't use the name of and there are alternatives to that that do like a Fernfet that also have other names that I cannot mention if I want to get you know literally I said the word one time and that video got demonetized like like okay so first of all fucking creepy uh Google how dare you have enough compute power to be able to listen to every single word every single youtuber ever says in their videos but also seriously just one time come on man it's just stupid it's dumb anyways the video the video I mentioned cheat the cheat thing in on whatever uh I'm drunk uh okay I'm like the only sober one here got flagged and here we go is that was that your power going out yep that's that's early oh but oh hello I'm in total darkness yet the internet still works yeah because it's on UPS UPS is empty hopefully it's just a temporary one and like they go and get your power back real soon it looks oh there it goes yes yes I'm gonna keep the the other screens off so the UPS lasts more than 30 seconds okay all right we need to just go and kiss we're out of deadline we can't we can't be asked no all right that's going to start uh me then Tyler then Steve uh Steve you're always gonna go last man I'm sorry you're just if we got the latency I need to know where you're at it's easier when you're last okay all right hey everybody welcome to Linuxcast I'm your host Matt and I'm Tyler now I'm someone Steve oh I forgot my own name yeah his power went out not only to this house but to his brain it's okay apparently I'm the only sober one on the podcast so we're having a good time it's a cock it's cocktail hour with the boys you know I if I would if you guys would have told me I would have brought something it would have been great I'm gonna get myself a mocktail or something anyways we're having a whole host of of technical difficulties uh Tyler's come you know like he looks like eight bit right now is is I mean I said not even 16 but he's eight bit right now Steve's losing power like in half an hour or something like that so you know this is the Linuxcast we're gonna we're gonna push through and it's gonna be fine I'm sure about it anyways we're gonna talk about some news today for those of you who are wondering where Josh is he's no longer part of the six month Linux challenge his GPU died this morning and he decided to hop um so he is freeze you that frees you from no it doesn't no it doesn't unfortunately I still have to get if I fail I still I lose I still lose the bet the bet was we had to make a six months it didn't mean we had to give up if the other person lost unfortunately but I'm still doing okay anyways uh so that Josh tried to install arch for reasons unknown we all know that arch just not like that boy um at all so that's the reason why he's not here he's probably installing gent to as we as we speak I'm guessing I told me to try right try record which would be hilarious anyways uh this is the Linuxcast we talk about linksy things and we're going to dive right in so uh I gotta find where all this stuff is so who wants to go first Steve you want to go first do you want sure which one's first last ones yeah and first the second time yeah okay uh what I've been doing this week zero Linux uh uh I just hopped onto uh the new uh Kalamars 3.3 finally it took me a while uh but uh as the Tyler saw uh it's looking at that yes it is it really is you've done some really good work yeah uh and uh since we had an interview yesterday uh he interviewed me and he had really good questions uh and I applaud you for that my friend I applaud you thank you uh I got I even got caught off guard in some of the questions so good uh because most most interviewers they out they regurgitate the same questions that others get asked uh but uh yeah uh the release is next week it's uh good it's done the ISO is done I'm going to upload it any any time uh but other than that I uh that's all I've been doing and the steam deck of course but I'm I've been rage quitting a lot of games but I want to install Zomboid uh Tyler got me hooked on it not hooked but hooked visually really want to try playing it uh it's a nice game from the looks of it uh it's very laid back no no no rage quitting there uh it's just in project Zomboid so from what I saw so far you'll probably rage quit at at some point only because like the game makes it very clear like like it literally when the game starts like this is how you die and so like if you go into it assuming that you can survive for months on end like you'll probably rage quit but it is it is it is one of those games where as long as you go into it knowing that it's a survival game it's difficult and you're probably gonna die and that's kind of like how you get better at the game then yeah it there's real it is very relaxing that's one of the reasons why I put in like I've owned it for less than a week and I put it over 80 hours into the game yeah I I keep seeing as your status on on discord playing Zomboid but uh I like I tend to prefer relaxing games these days rather than games with challenges uh with uh very hard challenges so that's why I'm playing asterix uh most of the time and as I said today on my podcast uh Tron Runner because Tron Runner is just running and avoiding nothing no big deal you die you repeat and it's fun uh because every time you repeat it's random it randomizes the obstacles and the the enemy other than that I haven't been doing much because of the power as you can as you saw this is why I'm trying to raise more money so I can afford the generator to keep the power on longer because now they're fighting us they want dollars instead of Lebanese pounds if we pay in the Lebanese pounds local currency they tell us oh okay we're gonna give you only uh four hours or six hours of power during the the entire day once you start paying us like we want you to in us d would give you power 24-step but when we pay them in usd they they increase the value whatever they due to whatever value they want to the dollar you need to hop in the car and hop across the border or something man you need to find yourself and going I'm going to my sister's wedding I'm gonna stay there for 10 days it's gonna be refreshing refreshing and seems like I'm gonna reset sis I'm not leaving I'm not going nowhere she's fighting me to find remote jobs and stay there should definitely figure that out all right anyways uh Tyler what have you been up to this week well this is me great I'm just gonna put this off I know uh so I know Matt wants me to talk about this so I before I go into like the really interesting part that Matt's gonna enjoy I will go ahead and say obviously I tried out zero G before doing the interview with Steve and it was it was actually really good I did I did encounter some things that like needed it needed to be fixed but Steve fixed them like no time like that's one of the great things if you ever want to try out zero G and you have a problem uh Steve will be there to help you and like if it's a problem that he needs to fix himself most likely in like less than two hours it'll be addressed and fully fixed so it's nice but um after trying it out and everything I came across a forum that and I I had never really tried using Windows 10 and because I know a lot of people like use use Windows 10 it will not upgrade to Windows 11 because they've removed all of the telemetry bullshit on Windows 10 and enjoy it that way and so I wanted to try out how like how broken or like what will break when you do remove all the telemetry stuff and I can firmly say that if you remove uh not necessarily every single bit of the Microsoft telemetry but if you remove an overwhelming majority of it um stuff starts to break pretty quickly and I as a domino effect yes I cannot believe that so many people on a forum were talking about how great Windows 10 was when you removed all of its telemetry one of the wildest things that I've had happen is Windows is really good so is KDE but um normally with a lot of desktop environments and stuff they struggle with vertical ultra wide monitors which is what I love and I have over here next to my my main monitor um I love it for like chat when you're streaming and stuff and there's a lot of text stuff that makes sense on this big tall monitor um and Windows is really good about like you know when you drag a window to the top half section on the side like it's going to split it in half or do quarters like it's normally really good about that um with Windows 10 if you remove a majority of the telemetry for some unexplicable reason that I cannot explain it just stops working um so all I can do is maximize a window but the really really really weird part is it now when I try to maximize a window on my ultra wide there's always like a little sliver of the screen that's just not being used um at all and like I can't get a window to automatically maximize and take up that space so I have to like manually click and drag it over and that's just a good example of stuff that breaks that has no rhyme or reason for why people don't understand like there's mini uh Windows 11 there's Revi 11 there's a million different mini versions of Windows 11 with all the telemetry and all unnecessary stuff uh removed but when you start using it and installing your stuff and making it your daily driver domino effect yep and it it it it's just been one of those things where like I am uh I'm very happy to say that I'll be moving uh moving back to Linux most likely before the days are over um although I'm not sure exactly where I'm going to go uh I told Matt before we started recording not zero well uh I actually told Matt before before you actually I don't think you were even in the call but uh I told Matt the right now the three distros that I'm looking at are zero g vanilla arch or Debian and Debian I can almost say with certainty will will not be the one I go with um just because of you know like I I do want stability but Debian stability comes at a major fucking cost like if you want a modern package like you're pretty much dicked like you're not getting this and uh I I don't know if I'm going to go with zero g I think I think I'm going to install zero g uh zero g like just to try it out to play with the godown edition um but I'm I'm not sure if I'm going to stick with it so if if I don't end up sticking with zero g I'm probably going to go to vanilla arch and then I'm probably going to have eventually and I'm not doing this to just placate Steve just so anyone's watching thinks this I'll most likely go back to zero Linux once you've gotten all of the calamaris updated stuff and all that gets released yeah I'll probably go there after vanilla arch uh and stick there for quite a while because I I really do like what you've done with the system it's very it's very nice and uh this is something Matt is going to like they released four updates for case screen in the past few days oh it's good but not my problem with that is that uh yeah they'll fix a lot of bugs but they'll have introduced like 30 or 40 more yes uh k k screen is just not that it's one of the issues but it's not the only one yeah it's it's it's one of those things like if you have multi-monitor just turn that service off it it will save you so much trouble it's off by by default and zero limit it's just just turn it off it'll be good all right so um real quickly what I've done been doing this week I I have two things to talk about first very quickly I've turned the steam deck on exactly one time in the last seven days so I'm not surprised it turns out didn't actually help my gaming habits at all all right so Matt you are my brother from another mother like I just it sits in its case and every time I turn it on it has like 12 or 14 updates for every game that I have installed on it and they're all like astonishingly huge in terms of size which is just come on with the exception of uh that's though yeah that's only like one gigabyte but there's I have like um I have apex legends on there which I've never played by the way I was looking for free to play games and that's one of them so I was like I downloaded I haven't played it yet uh the nba 2k one always takes up a lot of anyways I always have to accept that it sits there because you can't it will not update those games when the screen is turned off when it's in sleep mode uh no when it's in sleep mode the wi-fi will not yeah you have to you have to leave it on eventually the screen does turn off and it like will you know keep updating but the the eventually the that work gets shut off it's just the dumbest thing ever which means you have to let it sit there and just eat power while it's downloading 100 gigabytes worth of stuff it's yeah in the steam dex defense though like if the screen is off and it's on and you because I do that all the time I plug it up and I just like leave it because especially if you've got a large library of games on that steam deck like obviously there's going to be updates that need to be done um the one thing that I will say in its defense is if that screen is off and you check the power draw on it it's normally between one and two watts like it's nothing like it's less than a light bulb it's it's been it's been sitting on my uh on my couch here next to my bed uh for the past three days I haven't touched it in the past three days and it only lost like 5% that's fine I want an option just dude it's linux give me an option to say to say hey do updates at a certain time at night I will deal with the fact that the battery is going to be dead the next time I want to go play you know it's fine or just let me turn that on for one you know say hey schedule the updates for tonight I will know in advance to have it charged up and then I can turn this option off until the next time I need to schedule updates I don't want to have to come back to every time it's just um anyways that that's not the only thing I want to talk about I don't want to get into into the steam deck thing the other thing is that I I found a gentoo install script that looked really promising so I used it on my laptop and it turns out that there's a really good reason why you should never use a gentoo install script they just they're just gentoo is way too complicated for an install script they did a really good job on this one by the way it was really well put together they have a whole incurses menu it creates like a configuration file that it goes that the install script then will take your options from and they even have integrated butterfs raid support and all this stuff it's very well done uh if it worked but I think I'm going to try it one more time because the the the first two the first time it would not update or synchronize the times for whatever reason so I switched to another live environment to try again and it finally got past that part and I I did that third time get it to install gentoo install gentoo and I had a supposedly it's installed gentoo but I could not get it to boot it wouldn't even load grub so there is definitely it's oh it's always grub by the way like anytime you you mess up a gentoo install or an arch install or something like that 95 percent of the time where you messed up was grub like that's just or or doing a linux kernel like manual linux kernel yeah it was too right there well normally well actually you're right because half the times when you do your own manual kernel the problem is not the manual kernel but the grub plus most of the time I mean I don't think I've ever compiled the when I did gentoo the times you guys helped me and I would with red core now and with with the gentoo install script all of them use the kernel binary all of them so every single time I've ever had a problem with arch or gentoo it's almost always been grub like grub like look grub is fantastic but man is it not not also not that fantastic because it's just gonna mess you up all right anyways we do have to jump into the news because we're you know we're running out of time so uh Steve your first news item of the week all right it's the kde console now works on windows not surprising and more plasma whale and fixes and all these more updates for plasma but one of the ones that caught my eye was the timeout of inactivity before sleeping is now 15 minutes by default and will generate the correct power profile for the convertible laptops what was it before was it five minutes before something like that yeah and I believe it was it was really short yeah and the other one that caught my eye I don't know if it it's interesting to you but they improved the sdm login screen now works with touch screen in the plasma wayland session uh and fixing the way application could could crash under plasma wayland session when the display goes to sleep a lot of people complained about that okay so can I guys I want to like kde so much like I desperately want this thing to be so good because I love customization I want to customize everything but when I see a headline like the the top thing in this thing like one of the top things is console now works on windows yeah um could we I mean maybe here's an idea try to make your software less buggy before we make it work on windows where no one's going to use it and why why aren't they so proud that everything works on windows we're trying to move we're trying to move away from windows there are there are some there are some applications that kde is involved with that makes sense on windows like creta creta makes sense on windows right because it's you know it's a cross-platform thing you want to work whatever it gives people an alternative to photoshop and kden live yeah kden live another perfect example console probably not so much right so for chris first of all I mean I mean I suppose mate I mean no like lesbians they're really they're really someone who is sitting on windows at this exact time not not happily like I'll say that but as someone who is sitting on windows at this very moment I could not come up with any reason at all that I would want to run console on here other than I'm a kde developer and for whatever reason I'm on windows yeah that this has to be for them but and I know this is a pharaonics a pharaonics article so they didn't do this but I'm assuming that they put these in the article in the order that Nate put them on the blog that's like number two on the list like this uh and and another thing to the stdm point you thing you talked about steve could I mean great that it works with touch screens and I'm I'm that's a big feature that I'm sure that needed to be happened but stdm is one of the buggiest pieces of kde software that exists maybe that's why a lot of that's why a lot of people have been pushing me to switch to light dm by default because every time people on hybrid graphics cannot log in they get a black screen I tell them just type two light dm and switch to light dm why not included by default instead of stdm because it's not customizable well light dm is customized if we're being completely honest not really not really no no no it no I'll stop you there it is completely customizable you can theme the shit out of it you really can't find it but you have but you have to use light dm webkit something yes yeah that's the main problem it's like it is customizable but nowhere near the level of stm or stdm or really for that matter most other login managers well gdm is not customizable at all okay well that doesn't I don't I don't really count that one wait because I I have a tool on zero g that chips on zero g called gdm settings yes but you're hacking it that's like that's the different it just changes because this by by default the way they meant it to be work is just the wallpaper that you can change right on gdm everything else that you can do through gdm is essentially the same way that you're doing it in gnom like you're applying it's gnom it's not really it's basically gnom tweaks right for the the display manager and that's you know that that's fine I mean that's just the way gnom works and the gnom stuff is never going to be as customizable as katie stuff expecting it to be as customizable as that none of that was was the point the point was the stdm is horribly buggy maybe they should it doesn't work with the hybrid graphics that's the as soon as you switch to that you're done you have to wait but what we're talking about is the difficult stuff to address and like that's really in katie and most katie projects like then this is not a diss towards them at all because most people prefer this and like this about katie is they are constantly adding new features or fixing the like the critical errors with stuff if it's not a necessarily critical error but it's something that needs to be addressed but it takes but having it work on hybrid graphics i think that would be part of the critical things the problem is not everybody has hybrid graphics i'm sure that it is hard to test because you know they'd have to have the hardware to test it but i'm sure that someone in their community with some developer knowledge could help that would volunteer to help them but that individual it's kind of weird it's kind of weird to address they need to work more on sdm it's the thing that gets the least amount of love yeah and we oh well it's it's overlooked if we're being honest it really is it's just overlooked and i understand why like there's a lot with the desktop that like there's a lot there's a lot of features that have recently been added and those require bug fixes and stuff and there's constantly stability stuff with the actual main desktop being worked on and really in all honesty as a developer i do understand it being hard to find uh or as as a development team i i understand it being hard to find developers wanting to work on sdm just because even if you do something really cool there a very very small portion of people actually uh i guess the best term would be respect it or like you know really appreciate it so i i do understand that but like i completely agree with you guys like it it absolutely does need to be addressed and like worked on more and in the article they allude to the third point release so there will be a third point release i thought it was lts and it wasn't gonna the last the promise they always so many new features they have to release point releases because they with every new feature they have to bring about i will say this again and i i've heard nicholas argument about why they can't do it i understand whatever i don't i don't agree with it but he knows way more about kd than i'm ever going to but a freeze in features for a year would solve this the problem is not only is it would it go away from their release schedule you know whatever but also guys we just have to admit that fixing bugs isn't fun adding new features is right so uh fixing fixing bugs trying to figure out how to fix bugs what's actually going on what's causing the bugs all this you know this triage that you have to do in order to fix stuff it's not fun it's time consuming and it burns developers out like crazy so the problem with kde it's not actual there's not a lot of developers in-house developers it's mostly community driven and community community developers are looking to have fun yeah like that's one of the reasons why kde's feature set is so wide it's like there's a lot to play around with with a desktop like if we're being honest well and they you know if there's not a feature there that you want you just go make it and kde is so great about just hey you know hey integrate this stuff it's really cool plus the the new features that they have garner you know attention and stuff right so and whereas bug fixing a bug i mean yeah us nerds are going to pay attention to it and yeah if you fix the bug but most people are gonna be like that's what you're supposed to be doing right but a feature the way i do it nowadays whenever i encounter a bug i don't report it on their bug reporter because their bug reporter is a nightmare well it's because it's so full is there just so much there and not only that it's really hard for a new user to find his way there and look at me i'm a distro maintainer and i cannot find my way yeah that that form is not easy to fill out you have to have some technical knowledge just fill that form so what i do is i just go to their telegram and i message them yeah i'm deal um which i i think in the future when it comes to a lot of like not just kde's kde's bug reporting but bug reporting in general it's going to move to more messaging platforms like discord telegram and stuff because it it honestly just makes more sense especially especially when the whole goal of bug reporting is to have normal regular users tell you what they're having issues with a normal regular user doesn't want to go to some random ass form that likes there's a ton of technical bullshit on you you're right but now since matt and i have set up a forum style in discord where people can create the uh threads forum threads basically uh to which we once it's solved we can just add a add a tag that's with the checkmark green checkmark to say solve which is great on you matt i didn't even think about that it was j it was j dogs uh idea it was it was all him i didn't know those things existed they were great but they're great you must admit that though having a forum in discord is amazing yeah it allows us to keep track of every issue it's the only way a bug tracker outside of an actual bug tracker would work because telegram would not like like guys i i understand you want a great way to go interact with the developers is probably like telegram but the last thing they want to have to do is start scrolling back through you know hundreds and thousands of messages to to actually oh this was here's a bug here's a bug whatever it's just not organized enough so it has to be a form of some kind it has to be a bug tracker and and i mean the problem really spending a lot of freaking time on this but the the the thing is is that a lot of people don't want to join discord like if you're in the open source community you don't want you don't necessarily want to join discord because it's proprietary and there's a lot of they don't want to do they don't want to give their number well yeah and in order to get a lot of the features of discord you do have to have 2fa enabled um which which is not something that like i know a lot of people who don't want to have to 2fa enable even if it is safer for them but they don't want to have to deal with that mess because let's just face it a lot of 2fa applications that people are going to use are from proprietary corporations now for those of you who don't have 2fa enabled but would like it use something like you know keypass xc that has it built in use bit warden that has it built in um and also especially nowadays like if you really like if you would like to use platforms that require 2fa and you don't want to have to give out your real phone number or any like private information like that for one i think it's like 25 bucks like usd pretty much worldwide to get a post like a fake post office box so you can get a fake address that you can use you can get a burner phone and like you don't even have to pay for service for it just get a prepaid one and only pay the prepaid when you know you're going to need it google like i know that cost google voice is also an option um for a lot of them but but i don't know if you guys have seen this but a lot of places that require you to give them their your phone number don't accept google voice numbers anymore yes they consider they consider it void and uh because it's void they won't they won't accept it all right we do nice weighty going on there's definitely something going on there i'm not sure what that is all right moving on to tyler your first one yes mine is about ubuntu uh and well mainly canonical ubuntu uh because this is kind of an enterprise thing but ubuntu now officially supports the microchips polar fire soc fpga icicle kit risk five board i'm going to stop you right there developers of software and hardware are like if you're going to do something like this don't name it just just don't even that's horrible actually no let's just let's just i'm going to spend a brief second on this please for the love of god if you are going to make a device a piece of software or something if you can't reasonably speak the the name of the device or the term for it whatever in a second you fucked up like i shouldn't have to speak an entire sentence to say your name like just please you need a comma or a semicolon in your name you probably named it something a little bit too long yes like you don't mosque with his children's names whatever yes like hyphen something like ridiculous that guy took the weed a little bit too far i'm just putting that out there as a stoner i can completely agree with that so but anyway with canonical that so they've released the support with for this risk five board which is actually pretty good because there is i mean that the the name for the device doesn't exactly tell you what it is it's a little overly descriptive but whatever uh when it comes to like risk five i am i i really don't think that risk five is going to be something where it's a desktop laptop or even mobile competitor for the next 10 years i i think it's going to take probably a decade before it really does become competitive in the space but for everyone who is open source minded free software minded this is something that is really good to see that's being worked on and if you are a developer then i would highly suggest supporting stuff like like these these types of hardware advancements just because if there is no one purchasing them if there's no one really buying them in the consumer space they'll they'll never really see a potential value in moving to the consumer space it has it has it has to be something that they the company wants first of all right but also it has to be you can't come out with a board right now and have it be less than the raspberry pi you know it has to compete compete with the raspberry pi if you go buy a a board it costs the same amount and it doesn't do as much then you're going to have a bad experience and you're going to want to go buy a raspberry pi you know so i really wanted the uh kadas edge too like the the thing about this guys is that this kind of stuff is going to happen because there are big companies behind risk five like apple microsoft google they're all supporters of risk five nvidia and and um um what's the what's the one that um even further than just the come the companies that want to get invested in risk five risk five as a platform is um incredible like the idea of having open open hardware like risk five risk five is it like just in case we don't know this risk five architecture is much much more similar to arm compared to x86 it's it's not like it's like arm or x86 but it's much closer towards the arm side of things so the way the architecture is set up it's it's it's much more efficient and the companies that are supporting risk five are really pushing for this idea of not just manufacturers but also consumers being able to custom build and pick out components for their hardware and one of the things about uh support coming to this kind of board and these kind of development boards coming out to the consumer market that makes them very very good is i mean this board for example has nvme slots on it it's got an sd card slot it's got two ethernet ports uh like it also that's the case you didn't know this it's got a gpu slot on it so if you want to throw a gpu in this fucking bad boy you can how would that even i mean how would that even what gpu is going to support what gpu supports risk five any of them well i don't i don't know that it necessarily have to support risk five as long as the risk five architecture is built to support the gpu yeah okay it should be fun uh so so they're really in all honesty i would i would be interesting to see if somebody actually like pops a 40 90 and oh my god well we also do have to do have you you do have to keep in mind that this the processor if you look at the board it's a very small ship and there's no heat sink on it's gonna set itself on fire that's what you're saying it's yeah it's not like it's gonna do 4k gaming or some crazy shit like that but these kinds of hard or this kind of hardware progression is really important for the future of open hardware which pretty much as it stands now doesn't exist there is no such thing as open hardware anymore i mean sadly enough even if you think about a think pad and you're like oh a think pad is completely open source if you think that you're fucking lying to yourself it's not there's multiple pieces and especially if you're using a half decent wi-fi card i bet you that bitch is not open source guarantee so one of the things that this article did kind of make me feel happy about is even though these kinds of boards right now are mainly aimed towards developers and obviously the more enterprise environment there's nothing excluding especially price wise from the consumer developer market getting in on this and i think that's probably going to set us up for success if you're a developer and you have a couple extra hundred bucks to blow on some you know risk five boards to mess around and play with i think it would be especially beneficial for the future of open source and linux and everything else for the growth yeah for you to go ahead and get it and start working on this kind of stuff it if a lot of applications especially now have unnecessarily good risk five support that's only going to benefit us for the future because i i do really really hope that in the future we can move towards especially in the open source community having our own kind of separate hardware that is competitive and think about it this way think about it this way i think imagine you have a washing machine or a dryer or whatever running on risk five it's more it would be better for that to happen so at this point we know everything that's running on that it's open open stores you can at least check it because now your fucking toaster might have some proprietary hardware in it that's and you have all the guys yeah the toaster and pay the toaster repairman and the washing machine repairman and whatever with risk five that opens the door for you to be able to do your own self-repares and and and also just feel comfortable that the because i mean like a hallway or whatever is a good example of you know hardware manufacturers doing something not necessarily proven to be malicious but very very possibly being malicious at the very least in the future for if we're able to get more risk five integrated into things it's going to be much more comfortable to rely on the community around the hardware to know whether or not if it's community support and community support like the raspberry pi has a huge community behind it that's why it's loved by so many people uh it's it's an amazing thing to start using the things that i would hope so biggest issue guys is going to be the traditional linux open source problem and when you create something that's open everyone's going to create their own version of it and doesn't mean that those things are necessarily going to be interoperable right one of the reasons why raspberry pi has a huge following is because when you want to develop for raspberry pi you can develop for the raspberry pi and it will work across the vast majority of the hardware right that's not going to be the the truth about risk five because you know you know microsoft can make their own risk five thing and and apple and uh system 76 or you know whatever every company is going to make their own thing and is everything going to be interoperable if if somebody makes a an application that runs on risk five will it run on every risk five well i think the big the big thing it will be when it comes to risk vibe itself it is open in nature so i feel like it's probably going to be one of those things where i mean apple or whatever big companies are going to have their own versions with some hardware that they've specially made added in there but i think in the vast majority of cases they're gonna close source it they're gonna yeah yeah of course they are but at the same time i think it's it's going to be one of those things where if risk five development is being done at an enterprise level widely the the odds that that trickles down and improves the consumer market for open platforms is much better like if you think about it like this one of the big things hardware wise that like system 76 and all of these different open source manufacturers struggle with is they can't get deals with yeah bigger manufacturers and in all odds if if there's 15 different manufacturers for risk five and like you know the variance in quality is very little between them all the odds that those open source manufacturers can strike a deal you know with with one of the other manufacturers or you know for hardware specific component hardware pieces it's going to be high there isn't a scenario here where one manufacturer one maker of risk five becomes the most popular and that's the one every thing uses but the thing that you guys we have to take an account here is that one of the reasons why computers have become such a big thing in the world personal and enterprise and all this stuff is because of standards right x86 is a standard it may not be an open standard but it is a standard that companies use and it means that if i want to run an application it doesn't matter if i have an intel cpu or amd cpu i can run that application it should work right the the thing that linux and open source software hates the most is standards okay case in point system d system d is a standard right but you have those guys out there uh the hate system now it's a small portion of you know the community right but they're there right and you know that's obviously a huge you know example but there's you name it there's an example for this you know you want a different grub or different boot menu than grub it exists right if you want a different uh display manager you you can choose between 10 different display managers we don't have standards and that's just the nature of open source because if you don't like something you can go create something yourself and it's going to be the same thing with this and that's what worries me most about risk five is that if someone doesn't like the way this particular cpu works they could go make their own cpu which is a fantastic thing to do but the interoperability there then ceases to exist unless they come come up with some kind of way to make that work now i'm not i'm not a technical guy any at all so maybe there's ways to get around that but we do have to move on uh to the to the next one so my first one is that uh vanilla os has ditched a boon to and moved to debbie and uh they're moving to debbie and sid which is like i thought that they'd move to debbie and stable but no they move into debbie and sid um and what they bring up multiple reasons the biggest one they said that they want to be closer to uh the they want to be closer to the stream of from genom so they want to be closer to the development of genom for whatever reason they think debbie and it's going to be that and apparently they were using a boon to his version of genom which they because of boon to makes a whole bunch of changes so they want to be as close to vanilla genom as possible i don't my question then is why they didn't try to base it on fedora but you know what probably because silver blue already exists but whatever uh the second reason that they gave was snaps um i mean are we surprised at whatsoever that snaps and then the third reason that they gave was they want to be in charge of its own release cadence which is more possible because debbie and literally never changes um i mean i mean they're gonna be completely in control because they're gonna be able to control you know if they want to include some of the stuff from back porch they can do that if they want to do whatever they want to do in order to keep their the kernel where it needs to be or whatever they can do that um all valid points all valid yeah i i think some people are going to see this as a uh as a kick to uh in the pants to ubuntu but i don't think canonical gives a rat's ass about this oh they don't right i mean i i saw some people in the comments saying like oh you know uh this is really bad for ubuntu like first of all vanilla if you guys have tried a vanilla west it's still very very early in development it has some and there's the reason why they can move from ubuntu to debbie and not really worry about it so much because they're still basically in alpha mode you know and and and it's it's been kick started by a single guy the creator of uh bottle yeah yeah um but you know so they're so fluid and be able to move this because they're still very very early in in the development but also canonical doesn't care who bases stuff off from their thing there's a bit i mean the the mint the mint developers have had so many really horrible things to say about ubuntu over the years canonical still doesn't give a rat's ass right they just they just don't care um the corporation ubuntu is a corporation they don't those are small fish they don't care about yeah i'm still surprised that they chose cid which is more of a rolling release style it's good they chose cid i i saw it as a great move uh uh well when i when i read the article i was like great job on moving to cid because imagine imagine vanilla moves to arch right come on yeah another arch history like it it is one of those things where i find it i find it very interesting that they chose cid because for one most people wouldn't assume that's what you move to so like that's good because again like it like like matt said i most people i would assume are like me and assuming yeah well me and matt we both assume that they would move towards something like stable which makes more sentence like for for a immutable destroyer it seems to make more sense but also cid gives them access to more recent packages it's not necessarily i don't think that it's the rolling release nature of the the destroyer that they particularly care about more that it gives them access to newer packaging which is more important than using the crusty old shit that debbie and uh stable will give you debbie and stable is still correct me if i'm wrong is on 5.15 for its kernel which is just i mean that's that's a four-year-old kernel at this point i mean i don't know if it's actually four years old but it's really old where like six point two now six point three is in development six point four you know i don't even i don't even know if my hardware supported by that like my graphics card like 515 is real now obviously you can get back ports and stuff on stable you can get up to six that's and i know you can get up to six because that's what josh was trying to do he was he was stuck on six he wanted he needed to get to six point two but it was not in back ports yet and maybe not will probably won't be because they're moving to bookworm pretty soon so you know the problem with stable is that it's so crusty and so far behind even with back ports so cid makes a hell of a lot of sense because it gives them control over the versions of what they have but it doesn't go as far as going the whole arch thing and they want to be stable and they want to be more uh on something that can be stable so i'm like i want all the arguments they presented in the article are all valid i don't see any anything wrong with any of the choices they made so congrats on the move because i was wondering why did they be why did he begin basing it on ubuntu uh i was like he should have gone debian in the beginning because i don't want to number one i don't want to see yet another arch distro josh brought up a good point see ubuntu uses debian sin for like a lot of their stuff too i guess where they pull a lot of their stuff and it is actually a good thing that they didn't go anywhere else because like i i do get why they would go with ubuntu out of the start because if you're trying to make a new distro um you probably want to use something that a lot a lot of people already familiar with at least in some way especially with something like vanilla os because it does do a lot of different things that set it apart but at the main core of you want to have something that people can start using right away and like at least have some familiarity with um the interesting part about it is them moving away from ubuntu because of snaps or at least like using that as one of the top three reasons for moving away which ironically to me i i kind of agree with you steve like why would you even like if if all of the developers are not enamored with snaps which like let's be honest like there's like five percent of the consumer market out there that's like yeah we love snaps and everyone else it's just like can we not like flatpacks work great somebody somebody out there has the snap t-shirt i guess as a snap d logo on it or the the cap or whatever the only one they ever sold as a distro maintainer i didn't include snap support on zero linux by default but they can add it of course later on nobody we complain about it yeah zero absolutely zero people complain about no snap support it's because flatpacks are a thing and i and then flatpacks are just better i know i i watch dt's video on on on app images and stuff again he's 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steve your last link my last link is about box x86 and box 64 released for running linux x86 64 programs on arm why did i choose that because i own an raspberry pi and i always struggled with running x86 applications that don't exist as are that don't exist for arm on that thing that's one of the reasons why it is that they're gathering dust but with this update i don't think it will be getting dust anymore because now it allows us to uh uh to run normal applications on the raspberry pi on the likes of the raspberry pi and it also brings with it better gallium 3d gallium 3d 9 and d3d 9 support so yay raspberry pi lives again sounds really cool and that's obviously one of the biggest things you have to worry about if you get an arm like a you know a pine book or something like that you have to be able to use your applications and there's not a lot of ones that do it natively um and and now and now with this with this uh update it also allows me to build packages from the a u r that were supposed to run on x86 or x86 64 architecture to run natively on the raspberry pi which is an arm to buy yeah um nice yes it's loving it really cool all right uh tyler your next one lightning rod guys yeah we're doing great so mine is linux 6.4 is slated to start removing old unused and unmaintained pcm cia drivers if you don't know what those are don't it doesn't matter because you probably have never seen one uh and you're buying it yeah if you're buying one of these i don't know what the fuck you're doing they they laptop for those kids out there laptops used to have like actual expansion card slots in the next time and i'm not talking like an sd card like actual like you could put i think they actually made like a gpu that you could put in there gpu's disc drives like every sound cards like sound cards were the big one because you wanted if you were an audio file another wi-fi card as well yeah another big one that you mentioned on my podcast earlier because we mentioned we talked about that subject uh was the credit card swiping oh my god that's right i totally forgot about that you could do that i remember those they were a ton of these things but they weren't popular in terms of like every manufacturer made them like you know they were some companies still use them so dropping this hold on let's be completely honest some companies still do use them however it would cost about $40 for them to the thing here is that companies that still use them i guarantee aren't using the most latest kernel those guys are all using an lts kernel from like 10 years ago almost guaranteed they're gonna this is not going to affect those companies at all and at least not for a very long time matt matt matt good news government electricity so you don't have to go as fast hold on a second guys before i just i just want to comment on the unpredictability like like there's just like some Homer Simpson like guy at the power plant like so you want i think today we're gonna give them some power and then if he's not drunk enough the next day or he forgets or something like that shut that damn thing off you don't need it i agree it's just too busy eating donuts it's random it's random this is how i live my life in Lebanon it's random either that or there's no guy at all and somebody just wrote a bash script and it's like it's it's it's our it's slash dev random and that's how they probably figured it out probably yeah before i forget because one part of one part of this article that i do want to stress is uh a big kernel developer Bergman uh i don't know if anyone has ever heard of him i've seen him mentioned quite a few it's not like i know the guy or have ever heard or spoken to him directly but he's he's a pretty big kernel developer and he made a comment on on them removing this on the mailing list and his comment was the two important use cases that i see for the drivers slash pc m c i a error card bus devices on old laptops which work with normal pc i device drivers and cf card storage just for embedded systems if we can separate the two by moving native card bus to drivers pc i hot plug but drop support for 16 bit pc m c i a devices and card bus slots so hopefully get a lot easier um if you don't understand anything that i just said or you've read the article yourself and you're like i confused literally what he's talking about is there is some there is some of these old devices that can that do have a valid use case still and most likely don't need to be axed completely okay can i get back at this guy just for a minute remember i'm not a linux developer of any sort developer of any sort really i'm just i'm just getting started with pythons so don't tone at me but linux the linux kernel guys need a poll system straw poll or something like that that they push out and say hey we're thinking about removing this thing how many people actually use it because the the link they need to stop supporting code for four people okay yeah like like this guy brings up such a niche use case yes of of anything right i guarantee that okay maybe there are 10 people in the entire world that have this scenario that that's not justification for keeping it in the kernel right now if it was a thousand people sure fine whatever i don't know what the cutoff or whatever it should be but if it's just a very small amount of people like we had this argument a year ago when they removed floppy disk support from the kernel like guys who four people has to shed some way well you cannot continue with becoming so big right exactly i will play the devil's devil's advocate here get your horns out most most likely if they're supporting code let's say a use case of four people globally most likely one of those four people are you know a big wig at one of the linux support like supporters like microsoft like whoever's donating a shitload towards the linux kernels development um if they're one of those people that have that you know uh super odd use case because like in the back of one of their server rooms they've got you've got an administrative pc that's using these types of cards and like super old like like legacy code um i i totally see i can i will defend them in saying we can't access it because we don't want to piss off somebody who's giving us no no no no no no no no no no guys uh hip dad basically said something similar like he said that they're the thing is that most of the this is still usable most of these are still usable systems and i agree with that but the these systems are at least 15 years old okay at least 15 years old not a single one of them need to use kernel 6.2 okay vernal version four point whatever is still in support for another like two years vernal version five is going to be in support and various versions of version five are going to be in support for another 10 years continue to use your crusty old systems on those kernels it's not going away they're not gonna backport this change to version five that whatever let's let's be clear let's be clear sorry to cut you off tighter but uh it's uh let's be clear if you really are rely on on drivers or whatever to be in the kernel for the pc mc i a card and you are one of those very niche people who still use that ancient technology uh you are uh uh you should be maintain maintaining whatever works for your device on your own the kernel the more the kernel grows the more it's if we kept if they they kept everything for every support for every single piece of drivers dating back to the to the 70s uh it's gonna be like it's literally it's literally windows windows the windows problem windows is notorious for keeping legacy systems like there's printers out there that still work on windows out of the box that were developed in the 1980s okay there's and then have all been destroyed right there was actually a literal example of one of their driver like their old legacy driver code that was still in microsoft's code base and none of the printers still exist yeah no one is saying take all the support from every single kernel that is supported right now that's it's just from the future okay from the from from from a kernel that's still at least six months away let's go ahead and remove this stuff and and and because if you're using such old hardware you're probably not using a newer kernel anyways and if you are i mean are you running gentoo testing on i mean i don't know these things i mean what are you doing if that's the case i want to talk to this person who's running a rolling release on a system like this i agree i agree with you guys 110 percent the the thing though is is playing the devil's advocate i i i will say look when when it comes to getting like financial support and backing most of the people that are over the communication between between you know the linux devs and like let's say microsoft for example or whoever's giving them a shitload of money i i totally see those people not being developers or like really understanding so if you have two million dollars to support canonical or the the linux kernel or whatever surely you can take i don't know 150 000 of that to pay a developer to do just this you know what i mean no no again i'm not playing the devil's advocate like you're not doing it very well okay i'm just saying you know i'm not i'm not but at the same time like i do understand from the linux like developers perspective they would rather just be working on the shit that they need to get done that have to explain to some dumb ass red like like no just because we're removing support in the new linux kernel doesn't mean your system's going to break you're fucking fine like please continue to give us your two million dollars exactly that's exactly along the lines of what matt just said it's like if they're using that the ancient hardware they must be on an ancient version of the kernel they're not going to be on the latest and greatest rolling and chances are if they're reading news about kernel development they're probably technologically savvy enough to know that the kernels that they're on is not going to be something i'm spoken to enough executive like high high ranking reps at companies to know assuming they're smart people is not it's not always a good idea because some of those people have just failed upwards their entire career i'm sure that there are plenty of dumb people in the in the corporate strings of all the companies but just just a side note uh guess who joined the steam deck uh rank oh it wasn't josh oh really on the kde development he said i don't know if i should get the steam deck and now he got it i just got a screenshot from it's about time that i mean the steam deck uses kd like come on like you like let's just kind of work on something for the steam deck great excellent more new features it's gonna be great speaking of the steam deck let's go ahead and move on to the last one here with this is mine and i have a feeling we're gonna have some conversation about this because we have two steam deck fanboys here and me who doesn't use you know i have one sits in the box right and and steve is waffling right um so valve has come out and said that the next steam deck steam deck two is going to be at least a few years away um now for those of you who are playing uh valve bingo you guys probably all got valve bingo right now because this is this is so valve it's literally tattooed on their forehead like the index now is six years old or something like that it's been around for ages um and where's the sequel not here uh the the the steam controller has been around for at least four years probably longer no sequel you own a steam deck yeah they came out with a steam deck too like six months for now wouldn't you be upset i'm not saying they have to do one every year dude i understand the way oh no i know i know i'm just saying like if they announced that they were going to do one here real soon like in six months to a year you like oh man come on i just got it that's the way technology works sometimes you buy a laptop and then the new one comes out the next week and you're like this sucks but it it happens and it has happened to everyone but i mean they don't look guys you you can't this is my opinion on this whole thing when you basically have reinvented a market sector because gaming handhelds were controlled by the switch for the last three or four five years or whatever there was there has been no other gaming handheld out there that has been worth it's weight in money other than the switch for a very long time prior to that don't you know it was the 3ds and stuff like that nintendo has owned this space for 20 years even sony couldn't break into it like they had the psp they had the vita and those things were so neglected that they failed in they failed as as what they were supposed to be but the for the homebrew people oh yeah yeah fine whatever i don't i don't that's great but that's mad you you do have a good point there like yeah this it's not a marcus segment that you can rest on your laurels is what i'm saying you can't go six seven eight years i mean i hopefully won't be that long but i'm just saying this is valve we're talking about there has to be a sequel in the next couple years in order to not only ensure that the triple a games that you're so proud of that actually work on linux and work on your steam deck new triple a games are going to come out and eventually they won't play well on this hardware it's going to happen very soon technology just moves that fast games move that fast ray tracing is the thing and you know uh despite the people who poo poo on ray tracing it is eventually going to be something that people actually want because an nvidia wants it it currently works only on one game doom eternal yeah no no well well ray tracing works on plenty of games the problem is is most people like especially if we're being completely honest with a majority of gamers most people have monitors that are not high enough quality where you're really eating it right and you do have a good point that the the importance of them upgrading here in the next couple of years is really important and that them saying another few years does worry me because i know how valve works and if they're not like if they're really on something like essentially i don't like we don't have to go feroidian with it but let's go there like if they're if they're you know it's aren't hard about something that they just stop focusing on it and a good example would be halfway three am i going to get to play half by three come on it's never going to happen it's they're not even working on it is sitting somewhere you know they started it it's now sitting somewhere in a in a linux directory structure on an external hard drive buried in the basement of steam headquarters and that's where it's going to die forever it's never going to happen and this was one of my primary like we took tyler when when the steam deck was announced you and i were doing the podcast already together which is hard to believe we've been doing a podcast together for two years now and when when it was announced you and i talked about our biggest worries about the steam deck and one of the ones that we that i said was that if it does come out my worry about it is that it will be good and then that will then abandon it because they've done it with every single piece of hardware they've ever come out with and it feels like they're doing it again like this thing is a six this thing blew everyone's mind you have people on like the verge and gizmodo talking about this this linux device in such glowing terms they made me buy one okay well even we have steam uh steve here is a great example of a steam deck and like steve was like it's probably not gonna be all that good like ah maybe i'll play just retro games on it am i wrong steve when you got it it was fucking awesome it blew your mind blew blew my mind for a week and now i'm just sitting there i think steve you and i are similar in that we're you know we're old school we're gonna prefer regular pc gaming over console handheld gaming i think that that's plus we're not big big gamers right and and we prefer a certain type of very neither one of us are gonna go out and play call of duty okay we're not we're not call of duty we're not league of legends dota 2 whatever right give me a relaxing game i would play on the steam that's me give me yeah so the reason why ours is sitting in their cases just collecting dust is more of a personal thing than the steam deck being bad the steam deck is fantastic but it had forgive the pun it has a half life that is very short right in order for because nintendo's don't no no hold on a second let me finish this all nintendo has been doing the exact same thing with the switch they've been resting on that one switch that has been a very very successful for them over the course of the last five years and there has been no talk of a sequel they have come out with an OLED version or whatever but it's basically the same hardware that it's been for the last five years that's basically what they said what valve said if we are going to release a new version anytime soon it's just going to be an iterative update with a better screen that's literally what they said actually yeah as far as i know valve said that they're going to add an OLED yeah and you know like to the top tier not to the yeah mid-end lower here i'm just so front like like look look the steam deck it turns out was exactly what i thought it would be for me a waste of money and i'm uh no not for me well so like what i was going to say earlier matt was really at all no no you're good that was the uh the thing about the steam deck that really sets it apart is like if you don't have like the problem with all three of us in this call is we all have like not necessarily monster but we have much better desktop systems that we spend most of our time at anyway and so there's really not like the one thing that this year it's been kind of a blessing and a curse like i've got a lot of vacations this year which is really nice to be able to get out and go on these vacations but you know stressful planning for and everything but the one thing that i have said that's really fucking incredible about the steam deck is if you're somebody who has to travel a lot or you go you go on vacations pretty frequently with your family that's where the steam deck fucking shines because there is yeah i agree and the thing is is like it shines right now tyler like it's it's it's going to be great and it's this is the type of hardware it's going to be like the psp it's going to be like the vita where it's going to live on forever because it runs linux very well it does retro gaming really well so it's going to be one of those things where people can use it for a very very long time but the problem comes in is that it has now garnered a reputation because it has been so successful with having triple a gaming available to it obviously there are exceptions of course but for the most part if you want to play elden ringer whatever on it which plays better on the steam deck apparently than it does on windows or at least it did at the beginning right you know if you want you can have triple a games that are on there but that's only going to last so long until the triple games no longer work on there and that's going to be the worded matt perfectly worded but the issue the the good thing about the steam deck is it's gonna garner a lot and i'm not talking about a few hundred i'm talking about hundreds of thousands retro gamers because on that thing it supports up to ps3 and tyler here is downloading currently going to start downloading a one terabyte image for me which has ps2 ps3 xbox roms on it that run on the steam deck at 60 fps not a single drop frame i want that too but um hey tyler i'm really sorry i'm really sorry about your bandwidth it's going to be really bad i know the funny thing is is now that that's been said publicly i'm going to be getting hit up by so many people and there's probably going to be like an fbi fan sitting outside of my house like is he really down he really got that many torrents you should definitely put that on a torrent site somewhere i'm just saying uh anyways the the the whole you're right steve is that this is going to be a retro gamers dream machine for a very long time but for triple a as you said it has a very short helpline right and that's and that's going to be one of the things that's going to really challenge valve like i'm not saying like i wouldn't say that it's this is one of those things where like when valve ever says something i always take it with a grain of salt whether they're saying it's going to be few years to like 10 years before they do something or if they're going to do it next week i always take it with a grain of salt no no no most people don't know them uh well hold on give me one second see so most people don't know steam like or valve as a company they as far as i know they have like about 30 employees yeah they're very very small yeah they're a very small company especially for how major people they have too many projects like yes and i think that's going to be one of the most challenging things for valve because they have hit a fucking gold mine with this they they need to drop the index completely that's obviously not going to get updated anytime soon they need to drop the controller if it's taking up too much thing they need to focus 100 percent i mean i mean the thing is that they do games too like they have games that they still develop on and stuff like that so they they need to get bigger i think that they need to get bigger but the the thing that i want to say about this is that the steam deck has garnered mainstream support unlike we thought that it like i had it was always going to be big in the linux community because it runs linux it was always going to be big whether it was a success or not it was just always going to be that way what surprised me the most is that i i'm constantly seeing articles on mainstream tech blogs actual cnn you know sites like that talking about how good the steam deck is that positive momentum only lasts as long as the steam deck is good you know i mean if if the steam deck hardware is still good and recommendable in a year from now sites like cnn and the verge and gizmod are whatever going to continue to recommend it but once the hardware starts showing its age they're going that positive attitude is going to go downhill because and it's not even like if it was microsoft or nintendo even even though they've shown a resistance to updating this the switch you know sony whatever it was it was a major corporation that had a long term history of developing hardware and then releasing sequels to it valve would have some you know they'd have a cache of of goodwill towards them that you know they could take a few years to do the next one they don't have that they have a reputation like google has a reputation for cancelling products okay valve has a has a reputation of putting out hardware and then never doing anything with it ever again okay and again i've been playing devil's advocate so i do have to say you haven't hit a gold mine like this before i know that's why that's why we're all they were all we were all hoping that this was going to be the you know the because they hit such a you know a home run with this thing that they would change their ways but i mean no they hit it's true they hit a home run but that's not going to make them change no it's not it's it's it's going to get so high into their heads get to their heads uh to a certain degree where oh we have this gold mine why should we work on anything else it's like it's it's not even it's not even nasty would it surprise you steve if i told you right now that they haven't even started working on the next one that instead they've started a new project that wouldn't surprise me i i i would bet money that that's exactly what they're doing because they are so small as tyler said they're a very small team they can it really feels like everyone there adhd they're not hd style yeah their office manager or whatever the person who does all of their the project management is very very anal retentive right he he has a team that is very focused but they can only be focused on one thing at a time okay and it's whatever he thinks is fucking sick right that that year and that guy once product is done he never wants to revisit it you know and that's what i what it feels like it feels like they have this culture there that you know they just have everybody working on one project that project gets done and then they move on to the next thing now i think that the steamback is going to be a little i this is my hope that the steamback is going to be a little different because they have done a phenomenal job with the software making it better since release right it's not it's not about the hardware itself as much as it is the blow they have they have done to the linux as a whole to the linux world as a whole it's even if they don't continue it now they have opened so many doors with this little machine that they created they don't need to somebody else will pick the torch pick up the torch and continue and and other companies it would be one of the things it'd be awesome if that happened but i don't think it's will yeah i think i think one of the more interesting things is because valve worked with amd to make the like you're right steve a lot of the a lot of the amazing work they've done has been with the software side of things however you don't have to like you can't also discredit the fact that they did work with amd to create a custom ship that does really set it apart from competitors and it works really well with the with the software that they have it's very integrated and i think one of the more interesting things would be i i think probably one of the most likely motivating factors for us getting a newer steam deck would be if so when it comes to linux especially um like valve has completely changed the way linux people view gaming on linux like drastically and i think one of the best ways that they can get funding and at the same time really really further the linux um space which is what valve has oddly trying to do like they've never been public about them trying to improve the linux space like as a goal it's always been a byproduct of what they're like they're doing at the moment there's somebody we need to ban in the chat i'm reading this pervade verbatim i have a steam deck i eventually installed windows on it i'm just saying that guy needs to be banned well read the last i saw that too i just felt like seriously what the hell is wrong with you man i'm kidding i'm not banning i'm just i got look i got one two and i did the same thing i had to try and i had to see what it was like and it shit like it's so bad but i didn't do that so yeah so so i think one of the interesting things with valve and one of the reasons that we might get a new steam deck and it i mean it on valves part if they do this like the not just the linux space the computing and tech world in general fucking explode if they work with nvidia to produce an nvidia-based mobile handheld yeah for one no one at first like i'm saying this and i won't get wiggling that's for sure yeah well let's see here's the thing gaming on linux was fucking shit until valve started on it and valve can work so next oh man yes and but the thing is is nvidia loves money like they love money and if if they can work a deal with valve where it's it's more profitable for them to work with them for a short period of time to produce a custom ship for a handheld device i i genuinely do believe this will make it to where nvidia as a whole has better linux support okay and you will get a device that has better performance i thought you were just drunk not also high i'm just just putting that out there there's never that's never ever going to happen but before we move on i have to do a mandatory neofetch so on camera there you go right core linux right there it's still working very good but moving that challenge no i have won the challenge right but josh has it all out um as we all knew i mean it's a hot like i said in the chat it's a hollow victory because he ended problems you know i thought although yesterday he did ask if he could switch if he could switch to a different version of debbing because he was bored so i figured that the end was near but anyways it doesn't i just go back to the steam deck tyler i don't know what the hell it is that you're you're vaping there dude but that's never going to happen um but it's just nicotine and i know it most likely won't happen but at the same time valve producing a piece of hardware that people who are not in the linux space enjoyed um yeah i i'm extremely low i understand the odds of valve working with amd and producing a custom chip just for them super low so well i don't want it okay so they're more likely to work with amd again to do the thing that you're talking about yes yes than they are to work with nvidia here's here's what's more likely and is actually possible because steam os is open source and based on linux other manufacturers could take it and run it on their shake now it has not happened yet and that's the reason why i'm very cautious with saying that this is possible because the problem is is that as josh is experiencing right now linux is very finicky on what hardware it runs on perfectly right it has to be very dialed in you you when you're designing a piece of hardware to run linux it has you have to know does the wi-fi card going to work you know is the gpu going to be supported by the kernel for any amount of time you know how stable is it going to be all these things right windows will fucking run everywhere like you could put that thing on a potato it's going to run like shit but it will run um and that's the reason why the the other gaming consoles that cost way more like because they have to pay windows licenses and stuff they cost like 13 or $1400 i forget the name they're like a neo there's like a whole bunch of one that has neo right all those they cost way more they all have windows on and there's a reason why they have windows on is because windows will run on those things they use regular off-the-shelf cpu's you know laptop cpu yeah you yeah right and they all have atrocious battery life and they all whatever and they've gotten mediocre reviews for years and years um but there's a steam os that's just sitting there and it's possible in a more perfect world i should probably should say that they that companies take steam os and make steam os devices now like i said i don't think it's such a there those companies you already exist just so you know there there are already manufacturers that have made their own devices that do run steam os out of the box or i believe i believe most of them run like a hollow iso is what they run but you know i would love to see a link to one of those things there is i've never seen one i a neo i think or another one i forget which one that's putting out a premium device for $2100 that has dedicated gpu from nvidia from nvidia uh custom made for them with a custom amd cpu that's hybrid graphics linux will be atrocious on them yes and and that's really my main point with what i was saying with with valve working with nvidia is i'm not saying it's very likely but if it does happen that's our best chance for getting much better nvidia support it's because like let's be honest nvidia will never fucking do it themselves but they are just pieces of shit everyone got so excited six months ago however long it's been when nvidia open sourced some of its blobs right they're like oh like people like freaked the fuck out like oh my god nvidia open sourced the driver first of all no they didn't no they didn't not even close they they just open sourced the same things that amd had already open sourced like ages and ages ago that's what they open decades ago source right um so everybody everybody was like well this is just the first step on the road to having better nvidia support on linux like just calm down maybe in 150 years nvidia is notorious i mean for hating linux it's just notorious they they it's not i don't even know that hate is the right word they just don't care about linux they have no we we should we should all thank the linux lords that we have what nvidia support we have right now because it is shocking that it is as good as it is you know um truly it's truly it like it truly is a blessing but there is there is no way around it but you there's one guy that works in nvidia who they've assigned to work on linux support there's just one dude you know he has the smallest office he has no windows and he gets he gets picked on every day when he comes to the work they call like they tell me he's got a small dick like he's like they use his office for storage for other things because they forget that there's actually a person that works in there so there's like boxes sitting behind him in brooms and and chemicals and stuff so that's the guy who who does nvidia support his office is is filled with his bestest he's also he's also not the greatest developer in the world he he's just you know the he either they hired him right out of let's be honest he was the one guy in the office that they're like that if we lose them it's really not right it was it was the intern who happens to be the nephew of someone who's not a really all that important you know but yeah it's it's uh but i i i need i need to say thanks to vault for creating this themed out because i've always if there's one thing i've never had growing up was a handheld gaming company never had i've always envied my my cousins and my friends having a gameboy and a game gear and a jaguar uh so uh with uh with the steam deck for me the steam deck will live on for years and years and years and years and years why because the whole point of me getting a steam deck was not steam it was retro gaming yes the main goal i got it for uh and that's why for most people it will last so obscenely long as long as they don't try as long as they don't try to emulate ps4 or ps5 in the future uh they're good well i mean like really in all honesty if we're being honest like when it comes to the steam deck one of the biggest biggest like long longevity factors with it is is not not even just how it performs right now but like let's say you you really love it for retro gaming you don't use it all the time for the same cost that you bought the the device for you can buy pretty much replacement parts for everything other than the complete main board itself for the same cost of the device and you could shove it back and only take it out when you want to play retro games and then when the battery dies you can slap a new battery in it with like you can do all of the openness aspect of it and plus you know how the the PS Vita like and the PSP they had to be hacked be able to run homebrew and do all this and they have all these community hacking community around them the steam deck it's already open you don't need to do anything and to do a hard job it's right there you can just in case anyone doesn't know this if you want like one of the coolest things I don't know if anyone had a PSP back in the days but there used to be a homebrew version of nazi zombies that you could get for the PSP and play on it I actually tested it that homebrew version for the PSP of nazi zombies you can run on the steam deck and it runs like it runs so much better than it did on my old PSP back in the day like it's wild it's the thing about like the steam deck is I genuinely do think that we're going to see a lot of a lot of modding and yeah customize customization and ironically I don't think there's going to be nearly as many people pushing for a new version as we would like to see because a new version is going to be important ironically the person who's who's pushing for it most probably is going to be me who doesn't actually use the original that much right because because I this the steam deck is so important to keep in the the the limelight that it has to keep a positive reputation and in order in order in the retro world right yeah that's basically talking about 10 people you like I know I know that's a lot more than that but when you're comparing it to the people who it's important to now the mainstream gamers you know it's the retro gamers are such a small portion of that right um the the you say that you say that but those are the people who are going to keep it alive for the longer yeah but it's not going in the media longer it's not going to keep people to buy the thing right it's not going to bring in new people to steam is a company that has to make money and like all companies and in order to do that they're going to have to have a new product eventually now the problem with steam is or the valve they have a tendency to and as we talked about and a prod project to move on to another one to go to the next project and you know that's that was fine when they continued to have flops the steam machines no one cared that there were version twos of the steam machines because they were bad no one but there was no games uh even even the steam controller which has a cult following like a retro gaming following if you will right and it's not the same it's not the same you know people but you know there's a very small community that's very passionate about the steam controller vast majority people don't give a rat's ass about the steam controller because it wasn't good right it just wasn't good you know i i loved it but i can see objectively how somebody was saying it's weird it's weird it's weird and that's the reason reason why it wasn't a good guess valve has had the xbox controller yeah valve valve has had its first hardware success and it's been astonishing because it runs linux when you have a success like that you cannot say ah in a few years we'll get around to making a second version i like look i wasn't i was not expecting them to say hey we'll have a new version in 2024 no company's ever going to say that because it will immediately kill anybody from buying it right now so a few years would make sense to me if or it'd be fine for me if they said this and then they had a history of following through you know that's that that's my what they made us expect of them that's gonna cause them more harm than good yeah exactly all right we guys wish to i knew as usual i always say the one that i know for sure we're gonna talk about the longest as the last one because it's it's i hate me when tyler first got his steam deck all we talked about was the steam deck it was constantly like it was like seriously i think we're three i'm pretty sure you use it is your thingy of the week for like four weeks in a row yeah it was i really annoyed you i knew i was it was bad and i don't want to make every podcast about the steam deck but they've done such a number on linux game like prior prior not only linux gaming you're getting a gaming device and the laptop at the same time yeah i'm not sold on the whole desktop mode thing that people are actually using it normal people i don't think even yeah i i still don't even know how to get to it so um and i've had the damn thing for a month never try it you never have you never never turned it off in the settings no no i've never you hit the steam button you go down to power and then there's show desk or go to desktop um because you're you're technically it's two different environments i don't i don't i guys i don't want to hook this thing it's a mobile thing and if you're trying if you're trying to tell me that i should go use kde on a seven inch screen you're out of your bleeding mind look this is the same thing we argued with with steam about before he got it exactly let's make this turning to me just just plug it into a monitor like no no no no no no no no no no i have a computer here i have a computer behind me even if it's not working right now i don't need a portable computer like that i have a laptop for this that's what i said but but as soon as i hooked it up to to a monitor i turned it into zero mix and i enjoyed it i have very no no i have negative interest in ever doing that i have okay so one final thought on and i've talked about this the the the biggest problem i have with steam back and one of the reasons why i don't turn it on all that often is because i when i you go into the games that are meant for bigger screens the text is so small it is like i have my guys i have really i have bad eyesight like i'm an old man i have bad eyesight i wear glasses okay and for those of you can't see me i'm putting the glasses back on because i went blind there for a second it's not it's not like guys i can see stuff but i can't read anything without the glasses just so everyone in chat doesn't book like doesn't say anything to matt all right look i'm i am under 25 years old and i wear contacts and if i take these bad boys out like i can't read fucking text on my 4k monitor with the text enlarged i'm blind as shit so it's not just about age for anyone who's gonna defend it feel like about age i'm i'm just saying that the the my biggest problem with the steam deck is that that text is so small small now supposedly there's a key binding that you can use to zoom in on just the text supposedly that does exist somebody told me what it was i immediately forgot what that key binding was um and i've just have no interest in looking it up maybe eventually i will but the game like there's some in fact i'd say the vast majority of games weren't just designed for the steam deck and they have no interface to say hey make the text bigger you know i mean if anything it's increased the resolution and make the text smaller you know because it's not actually it behaves like it's running on a laptop this is yes yes it does it doesn't thing and no it's on a steam deck it just behaves on a laptop so the resolution is this big okay this is the scaling that comes by default for this resolution so uh just as a question both of you guys have dead cells right i i actually don't have dead cells yeah i have dead cells yes it's a good game okay i'm bad at it so have you tried playing it on the steam deck on a separate 1080p monitor no i've seen someone do it like what do you mean like docket and then play dead cells from the steam deck on a 1080p monitor yeah it runs fine doesn't it yeah and the character everything is big and everything is why would i do that i have a computer no no and that's that that was gonna be my next point man like what you're saying is completely valid because for for most people like us who are like already nerdy and doing stuff on our main desktop there's not that particular use case but the steam deck is $400 and there is a ton of people out there yeah i'd like to get a laptop but plus you made an excellent point earlier about how good this thing is on vacations and taking it you know playing a game while you're on your way to work although i don't think that that's as big of a use case as most people like it'd be simply because that thing's going to be downloading on mobile data like crazy you know because it's constantly downloaded not if you don't connect it and you're retro games those those steve don't require the internet connection a lot of AAA games require you to have it connected to the internet in order to work especially especially if you're like matt and you download apex legends that bad point which possibly when i say matt i'm just gonna do you like a huge solid here please do not play apex legends on the steam deck because if you do a like a squad and which most people that's how they play apex is like with a squad i know zero things about apex i've never played it so it was just free to play so i was like hey i'll download this thing i have space it is a really good game but on that steam deck for one apex legend is not it's a it's a really fast-paced first person shooter so i'm gonna go dead well not just that the like playing on a controller when you're versing pc players like to the apex scene like people are super competitive the first time i played i i told my team that i was playing on the steam deck i had just gotten it and i was testing it out and all of them told me to go die and rot in hell because they knew they were going to lose because of me we did lose but um they they'd probably lose if i was using it the thing tyler we you know i've talked about this before before we went to four people when i was still waffling over where they're not to buy it one of the reasons why i didn't buy is because the nature of the gaming that i do doesn't do well on the steam deck like understand my my the biggest game that i play the one that i in my steam library that i've played the most one that has the most hours logged is city skylines you want me to play that on the steam deck i mean that's just that i mean you you can do it i've downloaded it it works okay but it literally fries the cpu um and that's that's like with no population whatsoever it like that thing runs 300 000 degrees when you're trying to run it and it's just a small screen you can't you can't do a city builder very well at least not that type of city builder maybe a mobile city builder but not a full-fledged you know not not not every game was made with the steam deck even if they run on the steam yeah but the ui and well i mean i play day z i play day z and it is fucking not made for a steam deck at all okay and i and i understand that like i'm not trying to shoehorn it in but that's one of the reasons why this the steam deck hasn't been as useful for me as i'd hoped it would be because because it's for the niche gamer my style of gaming is not first person shooter i think i think it's i think it'd be fantastic for first person shooter it's great for side scrollers it's it's great for runners fast both side scrollers it's it's probably great for clickers you know as hex dsl calls them clickers things that you just you'll click it'd be good for survivors it's fucking blit yeah it has games that it's really really good for but none of those games are games that i'm particularly interested in yeah here's no and i totally understand that here's here's what what the steam deck did the gaming community know those indie people with indie titles and indie mall uh yes yes i know where you're going with this i love it it's it it's it has shown a light on those people's products so big and so wide they used to make next to zero selling uh their games when before the steam deck but when the steam deck came around and being those games being so awesome on the steam deck their sales went off the roof you literally brought up a point that i don't think may and matt or any of us have ever discussed on the podcast ever but that's one of the things the steam deck has done like the steam deck has increased indie revenue streams fucking times like you know what valve needs to do is they need to do a better job of of getting to the to verifying the free to play games because they've completely ignored though that whole category for verification bring them i understand why but as someone like guys i don't i have spent a crazy amount of money on steam games that i've never played i do that every time valve has a sale like it like i said with you brother i got almost 300 fucking games i'll probably play like 40 of them in one day i spent six hundred dollar yeah um the like i don't get me wrong i do spend money on steam but the the thing is but most of the games that i want to play you know that look interesting to me i spend my every time i get on the steam deck and i'm looking for a new game to play i go to the free to play games because i don't want to have to spend six hundred dollars in a day i don't want to buy i don't want to we discussed it we discussed it me and me and tyler uh about uh having demo games on on the steam deck before you need to test before you buy especially now on the steam deck they have they have not existing what the hell wait so you can't use the steam demo mode on the steam deck no you you can but the thing is is there's a lot of games that don't have demo they don't have they're right okay yeah that makes sense but the my point was is that they have this whole free to play section they've done a crap job of doing the verification for steam on the first steam deck on it they need to do they do that's this that's the my first thing is the text that i can't read that's the biggest problem that's i mean i challenge anybody like okay everything goes back to pizza for me but you guys get a frozen pizza and you want to read the the instructions on the back and i don't know if you guys know this but they've made the instructions so small and usually they've chosen colors that don't really go well together so you can't so i find myself having to pull my phone out take a picture of it and zoom in you know the amount of times i've had to read the cooking instructions that's like painted in white or not white yellow text unlike unlike unlike it's not like regular yellow it's like like pastel yellow on on like a dark yellow background or something like it has it's not legible whatsoever and it's not just size but my point was is that that's kind of the steam deck for me is like it has this really small test and i text and i challenge anyone even with perfect eyesight to go read it you know it's just i agree 100 it's just challenging on a lot of games especially the games like for example you cannot put god of war in this in this category because god of war has text this big on a big monitor yes so but yeah there are most the games like counter strike for example and i don't know oh that is yes that is a good if you look at the text it's barely readable on the steam deck you put it on the desktop oh finally you can read okay so the the worst one that i've seen is a is a free to play game called i think it's called drift it's a racing game it's like a rally racing game and they're they're menu system and that is like really like gray text on a white background yes yes it is you cannot read that what so ever i know because of this because of this believe it or not you never played the game i just launched it saw the menu it was really confusing and really this light gray on a transparent white background it's like yeah who does i like i'm not gonna bother with this and that's not that's not even a steam deck that's just like whoever designed this game is a fucking moron that's those colors don't go together i i raced one time and then i haven't launched it since i need to uninstall it's just taking a memory at this point constantly updating itself probably taking all the bandwidth anyways um guys uh yeah yeah oh that's right we were gonna end the podcast i totally forgot about that we're pushing we're pushing two hours by the way okay never mentioned the steam deck again it was a good conversation okay so we really need to um get on to and i apologize if the video just went away because i switched to the wrong workspace so i apologize for that i think you gotta fix moving on to the thingies the week we could have called the section anything but we've decided thingies of the week which is probably the best thing because it's not trademark like apps of the week or the pics of the week or the trips of the week whatever thingies of the week get your mind out of the gutter that's not why we called it that just saying that anyway so uh tyler your thingy of the week we basically know what this is rat boys so let's get into the real shit all right project the zombie if you don't own it add it to your fucking wish list on steam okay it's fucking sick if you'll like if you like uh survival games if you like zombie games if you like a game where you can go baseball if you like a game where you can put on makeup and like also dress in a very odd way um then like it's games it's literally has everything it's fucking sick there's thousands of mods out there for it if you want to mod it to shit you can um if you want to if you've got a certain type like if you wanted to find out how you would survive you know six months into a zombie apocalypse you wake up having like like the walking dead style like shit you've been in a hospital with a coma for forever like whatever type of play style or like scenario you want to play out you could do it in project zombie it's lit it's twenty dollars on steam i highly recommend if you don't want to spend twenty bucks on it you want to save some cash or whatever wait till the steam summer sale because it's almost always on sale throughout the summer sale which should be coming up here in like a month or a few months i can't remember exactly when the steam summer sale starts but wait for it get it then you'll get a heavy discount you forgot to mention that it's isometric top down view oh yes yes it is isometric top down which is one of the reasons why i never bought it because you mean top down view like the original gta games not really it's like no not not really the gta game was more 2d than yeah like floating down top down this is more like if you take the camera turn it at an angle yeah perspective perspective weird um it and it it really does if you go to the steam like page for projects on void one of the reasons that i never really actually played it was just because of the isometric view and the art style of it i i didn't think it would really be all that fun never judge a book by its cover i could not tell you how wrong i was it is an insanely fun game the graphics um like you you would think they would cause issues or whatever no it makes it way more enjoyable like i i don't i don't know how to explain and and and it doesn't suck as much battery as other games yes if you want to play out also here's another thing if you want to play on the steam deck it doesn't work on the steam deck that it is verified for the steam deck although i will say uh for me i had to go in and enable like the steam virtual controller in the settings to get everything to work properly um but like i don't really think that's that big of a deal um it's really in all honesty it's a really fun game i would recommend you wait till you get it on sale also if you're broke and shit and you really want to play it but you like you know like even in months you're not going to have like five to ten dollars to put towards the game that's totally fine when the steam summer sale hits i plan on buying like eight to twelve copies of the game okay they've got a four pack that's normally 60 bucks i'm hoping that should be juicy on sale during the steam summer sale i'll pick up multiple versions of that just message me and like let me know on discord or whatever that you cannot afford it he would like to get a project sound voice for everybody guys on me there's already been a few people in my discord that have gotten it i have not played multiplayer yet um i'm really excited to check that out and forever who everyone who's watching or listening uh he got me on board he's so convincing all right i'm really glad another thing he's the one who got me on board the steam deck who got me to get the steam deck you guys are brothers it's great i really guys desperately we need to get this podcast done uh uh uh steve you're thinking of the week please quickly quickly i need to get i need to get out of this chair i gotta please i gotta pee i gotta pee okay mine is very short it's shortwave radio it's a gtk app it's an awesome little thing that you can run in the background but without ads well of course the radio station ads of course because you're listening to radio stations but uh for me it was a way to listen to my favorite radio station locally i was surprised and i swear to god not a single radio station application i i used before had lebanon in its repertoire this one does and it has a radio station called nostalgie it's a nostalgic uh as the as it sounds the as it sounds it's all oldies but french oldie and i really hope there's like a french version of robin williams doing hello lebanon or there's something well it's it's it's a really awesome thing because i love this radio station i don't care about the ads the ads are very short they don't have long ads uh they cannot afford long ads but uh it's awesome to listen to my favorite music because getting them on spotify i can't find half those songs they play on this radio station in spot on spotify so this is a cool app to check out it's a gtk app very small to install it's available on as a flatback or from the aur for arch people i recommend the flatback of course not the snap please god forbid it's very slow to launch and it disconnects a lot that version so uh grab it from the flat hope sounds cool probably also in the gen 2 riposte i'm just saying that's gonna be the quickest man no i this is gonna take like two seconds is this name please let's move on my voice i gotta piss let's go uh yeah uh term down is mine basically it's a clock that runs in the terminal it's not a clock that runs in the terminal it's a timer or a stopwatch or something that runs in the terminal you can start it it will go up or down so if you are so i've been using it now for speed runs for racing and stuff and you just put it on there it counts up and it will it'll count things and you don't have to create a script to do any of that stuff or whatever and it looks nice are you watching a christy to stack video recently no i've been using term down for years um uh oh christ i recently do a video on it christy's text deals stuff from me i guarantee that christy's tech doesn't know who i am i'm just putting that out there so so don't at me like oh he's not actually stealing stuff from me trust me i know he's not actually stealing stuff from me he has no clue that my channel exists it's fine although i did see that brody had him on his podcast so they're like damn brody's really making easy going from the linux cast is christy's tech he's really gone far really like anyways that is it for this podcast god if guys if you were if you watched this whole podcast in the live chat or even afterwards and you made it to the two hour and one minute mark god bless your little soul also before we go real quick i will just do a public service announcement just so you guys know if you're on discord and you want to talk uh me and my mom are going to go like right after this podcast i'm going to go down some drinks we got we got a bottle of moonshine that me and my mom got to finish off for reasons uh so after that i'm going to be in discord and i might do a live stream on youtube so but if you do have discord and you want to come over hang out on my server just to let y'all know post moonshine tyler is the best version of tyler i'm just going to put this up there okay anyways if you want to support me on on patreon you can do so patreon.com slash linuxcast thanks to everybody does support me on patreon you guys are absolutely amazing if you support me on youtube you guys are amazing too obviously everybody who supports me you're fantastic i love you guys are also damn much thank you for your support i truly do appreciate it you guys can catch the linuxcast report this live every saturday usually every saturday uh at three o'clock p.m eastern time we usually end it before five o'clock but but today jesus christ we did not even come close i've got to pee so thank you guys for watching we'll see you next week