She's going to be the hopeful character that rebuilds the Jedi order her her actual role like the plot of this movie is Ray does what Luke didn't Like that's what we know about it so far. They're not going to be building the Jedi order They won't let her fail making the order. It'll be like there'll be some tribulations in there But she'll succeed and it'll be wonderful She'll overcome bigotry There'll be a misogynist that she takes as her apprentice and she'll have to prove herself to them and that she deserves to be there Probably like that, but I think the bad guys Idris Elba perhaps Is that wait for real? No, it's just a rumor that I swear that like the the there's talks of Idris Elba being the uh The the dark side sith guy or something like that. Have they officially finished writing that? uh Because you know it was it wasn't finished before the rider strike and then after the rider strike happened They're able to start again. I don't know if I've heard any official word that they've like actually finished that thing yet Has to be close though. I don't think so, but you know what I found out that the stunt choreographer and the sword master for the film is a Stunt actress who apparently has never choreographed before Well, everybody deserves an opportunity, right? You know and I I I don't think I'm getting my facts wrong because who told someone who told me that would be someone that Everyone in this chat extremely appreciates and respects if you ever watch the prequel trilogy Ah, okay, so maybe someone who should be there coordinating stunts and lightsaber scenes and things like that. Yeah, maybe Man, it's weird that they don't pull people like that in it seems to be a common thread between Disney star wars and disney marvel Like you people are having the same compliance when the daredevil series was going through what they were going through And they didn't bring in some of the stunt coordinators They didn't bring in the people that worked on it before even though they were begging to work on the show Um for some reason people just want to use their own folks and we get You know awesome choreography like we got in isoka Yeah, dude, like I got flamed for saying that And it's like people don't understand that if you put side by side And it doesn't mean that I didn't like the show just means that Put the side by side of the the choreography between isoka and bail in or whoever else And anybody anybody in the prequel trilogy anyone I mean Dude when when hayden was there just having like hayden on set Like holding the lightsaber and flipping the lightsaber around you could tell like the ridiculous difference That he still has after years worth of muscle memory. Yep, and the way he loves doing it Played. Yeah, yeah, he was so into it. Oh him and him in slow isoka Yeah, I don't I don't know what was going on with that, dude But even like the way they made anakin move like they just made them like Well, do you remember? I don't know how you guys felt about it I don't even know how ryan felt about this but the part where anakin is uh disarmed by isoka They they put it underneath the camera. You can't even see what she does Yeah, and I was just like, okay. I get it. She's she's not necessarily winning the fight She's mentally overcoming something, but did you really have to just block it out like the move that she did to Okay, fine. Yeah, and then people are like, oh, she do kooed him. She did anakin's dooku move on him. No It's really annoying that that entire sequence When you know anakin's pushing her back and pushing her back and then for isoka to gain the upper hand it's like It's like he went in slo-mo Just like random above the head swing misses wildly and then like turns around just the right way And that's when we got into the entire people started. I get well, obviously He let her win so that she could make this choice and not kill you know what I mean Yeah, then we start to get into all the what I think is like super intentional vagary about the entire episode for the world between worlds episode I mean, absolutely. He let her win, but At the same time, like the the choreography should have been really indicative of like a proper battle that really uh recognize it and respects both of their abilities, but That's what you get when you don't hire nick gillard. It's you know That's just what happens and they don't seem to be keeping the same continuity It's like you gotta if I don't know why they didn't hire people from the prequels doesn't make sense Well, I for like for all for all the projects going forwards even like for the sequel trilogy It's like, why didn't you have people that worked on? like wouldn't you want the same sort of like Taste like wouldn't you want the same sort of like ingredients put in there? I made the mistake of assuming that since they were plugging hundreds of millions in I was like Farragher should be fine Like they'll nail because they'll that you can afford anyone which means you can afford the best people Which means you'll nail it and then you watch and you're like Yeah, and I think in like force awakens when when you see that duel we People were like able to excuse it because they're like, okay Kyle is swinging wild and he's injured like people made up all their own like excuses for it, which really is like Yeah That that's what disney stars has become right We see a little bit of potential and something a little bit of hope and something we're like Well, I could see how it could lead to this or this is why this happened. They're going to show this later um But for force awakens We saw that combat at the end. You're like, okay. I guess that's the lightsaber combat we get I can't wait for last jedi though.  Can I swear here?  Hey, I'll own it the first time through the throne room fight I was like that was real cool.   Okay, you know, people were like, oh, so that's not okay But luke's force kick quote unquote is okay in return of the jet. It's like It's like well It actually makes sense.  We need this cgi that out there. Yeah, didn't they do like one Big long take and then ryan johnson was like, yeah, we'll we'll do the rest and editing so good Let's move on. I'm pretty sure that was his attitude for that sequence right after they trained for ages on it What and then the thing with the with luke's hand Not falling to the ground and being taken with him as a force ghost.  Yeah, how does that get missed? Throughout an entire production process for star wars really dislike with fights nowadays and this is something I always noticed but also really Behind the scenes when I was interviewing Nick Gillard.    It's like yeah, dude, they're missing their mark all over the place And it's like, oh, well what you're supposed to do and that happens is reset Do it again. I know I know it think of like for So like the john wick movies Like how many times do you think they go through those? How many takes do you think they have all the training they do beforehand? Like it is dedication and those movies cost like, you know 60 million dollars to make You know 80 million dollars to make something like that when you're at a production like this You're putting all that time energy and effort You'd think that it's the same thing I said like when you looked at some of the isoka stuff And I don't know how much was rosario how much was her stunt double because we know they are using stunt doubles as well But it's like you're putting all that time energy and effort you think that you could it would look better Then it ends up looking you think it would look better than say A middle-aged isoka moving like an actual middle-aged woman Ryan how old are you? 35 well 34. I'll be 35 in a couple days. Really? Oh my god. I thought you were younger than me. Okay. I'm 33 Uh mallers 30. Yeah, do you guys remember new grounds? Oh, yeah You remember the the stick figure action like those of the flash anime and made on pivot and stuff yeah Those were literally the best so Chad, I'm gonna show you guys something real quick like in the early 2000s.  It's just a constant like Barrage of fighting I just feel like the choreography for the stick figure fight is so much better than any of the movies that we see today, unfortunately For whatever reason It is pretty wild I totally agree with you about when people are sitting there waiting for each other to fight Now you can certainly set things up where hey It might be detrimental to somebody to hop in right next to somebody depending on what kind of weapon you have Yeah, but the idea that you don't have people constantly with multiple sounds tacking from different sides is insane to me I know um and you can still do a lot of super creative things like that um from a Right choreography standpoint. Yeah, look at that guy. That's crazy Also, let rey have some permanent damage for fuck's sake of the Do a little she could just force heal herself even if she did so why? Yeah.  Disney just I saw reflected in doctor strangers movie where the attitude behind the scenes they were like You always get bored when they see the same spell. So we have to keep coming up with new ones Like it's not even true. We're fine if you see the same spell. In fact, sometimes we're like, oh, I know that one Well, you use it, right? You got to use it in creative ways for You know, like force choke. It's like oh, well, we've done that Like use them all kinds of ways all kinds of surprises and it can still be super impactful when you see it yeah, um like This is something I know you like theory. I don't know if Mahler's seen tales of the jedi um Tales of the jedi I think is I think that's the type of avenue that disney star wars should actually do more of Um, not maybe necessarily the character. I don't want more. Ahsoka tales of the jedi my god I've had enough Ahsoka. You heard it here folks.  I like her.  Um, I mean she's Died and come back to life. I mean, yeah. Yeah That's the way she's a god.  Um, it was pretty amazing when she said Yeah, but that's because she's a god now. What about this? She also Uh, I I do not like Ahsoka. Um, I I think that the characters Stuck around for way too long. That's all I feel about her at least. Yeah.  Um, one of my favorite lines from Dave Filoni is Uh, it's really no secret that george has always been in the Ahsoka dies camp and I've been in the Ahsoka lives camp Talk about the season five. Uh, let's talk about the season five finale clone wars when Ahsoka leaves the Jedi order yeah, and Ahsoka's purpose to me has always been to be Anakin's padawan Yeah, I kind of don't like the fact that george wanted to have a padawan But anyway, he wanted her boom But her purpose was that and her purpose was one to give Anakin responsibility and Two in my mind to give him a reason to distrust the Jedi because the way things went down between Ahsoka and Anakin in the Jedi order at the end of season five. Yeah I think that bringing her back So that that's how important the character is to me. This is how important the character has now become so say all that happens And then at the same time when revenge of the Sith is happening They never talk about it in a movie. There's never any reference to it but Ahsoka Tano a half trained Jedi comes back and takes half a battalion of clone troopers to Mandalore a planet full of the most dangerous warriors in the galaxy. It's being led by a former sith lord in Darth Maul No one talks about it to branches to this for some reason. I don't know I feel like that'd be important for ending the war But she does that defeats Maul escapes an entire ship full of clones survives Um goes to Padmé's funeral starts the rebellion Bites Vader again is saved from death by time traveling Ezra Bridger basically in the world between worlds To not die. Yeah, which is weird Somehow then still survives It still survives and it's present is present During like the time of the rebellion when Luke Skywalker's out there blowing up death stars Somehow isn't it doesn't actually do anything Doesn't help doesn't ever go to this guy and be like hey by the way, I kind of knew your dad We don't even know what their first conversation really looks like all we know is Luke Skywalker like looks at Ahsoka Luke looks to her as if to tell him what to do In Book of Boba Fett and now you have her medium Mandalorian and Grogu Um talking with Luke Skywalker about training Grogu traveling into other galaxies looking for grand admiral Thrawn Ahsoka has become this super all-important. She's become the most important character in Star Wars to me That's what she's become in an arrow where Luke Skywalker should be at the peak of his peak And that's my that's my problem with the character and how she's been utilized I agree That Luke definitely should be giving him given his spotlight and he's not but at the same time it's like You've created this they've created this character of Ahsoka and so how are they going to kind of separate her from The galaxy so that Luke can shine and so that's why I think Ahsoka season one was really just kind of like a prologue to What's going to come which I hope is going to be Luke? Essentially being the hero of the galaxy again because now she's trapped somewhere else Unless she like waits for the freaking space whales to come around and like hops in them Which is honestly probably what's going to happen as it was just going to be like Hey, my friends are stuck over in that galaxy. Can you guys go over there and give her a ride back hitchhike? So but at this point like I think Luke is literally The one who will save the day and if he doesn't I'm going to be like Where is he? What's he doing? I mean, I think they are I said Three and four years ago that they were going to use Ahsoka and throw on a setup like an heir to the empire style thing yeah If I I agree with you that they should if they're going to I hate the bastardization of Expanding universe stories that are now legend stories But if in this in this world which they do that I 100% do think they should use luke and make him the hero Yeah, the question is how do they do that? Do they do cgi luke? Do they actually recast luke? Which my mind is if you're going to make him that important in this story I think you have to do an actual recast for him instead of the weird cgi stuff they're doing now CGI's ass Absolutely, and I get the distinct impression that the overall moving away from luke That's what we've been seeing across all of disney's content Not been a fan.  Yeah, the andy gutierrez. Yeah, that was from that was from a while ago I think I have a fake geek tears actually right here um, but yes, that is from uh That that's an old story and I think some of that may have got a little blown out of proportion to be fair Everyone's like proportion.  I don't know so it's stupid But yeah, there's no doubt a lot of people wanted to move away from these traditional archetypal masculine heroes that we had in star wars um You know what 20s that luke isn't even like Super masculine.  It's like yeah, it's true Hey, but but like for star wars.    Yeah What separates him is his heart how much he cares or his friends Obviously, that's his weakness But it also turns out to be a strength because how he cares for his father How he's able to pull his father back from what everybody else had considered hopeless Yeah, um, and so I think that's why it's so disappointing to see the luke skywalker. We ended up getting Uh someone who has lost all of that hope So and and we didn't get to see anything I actually think this might be a hot take. I think that there's a way that you could get to a luke skywalker in the last Jedi I wouldn't agree with the path But there's a way you could do it over a series of telling stories It maybe you might understand something that happened But we didn't get any of that like they didn't do anything like that I think that in the day we tried to workshop like it would have to be that he can He sees himself as a great danger and the yes, maybe like snoke Whatever force of the time getting into his head and making him see shit That's not there and he's he's too concerned that like but as you just said like not a path We would even want to do Like at all it's like why would you choose this if they want to do if they want to Like we're stuck in this corner, but like if they want to kind of get out of it. I mean I could see them Doing a thing where they had literally the entire remnants of the empire trying to get luke's dna somehow and clone his ass And turn him into like luke, you know from air the emperor and he was like terrified of this And you know trained from I don't know if they want to bring the emperor back Sure, but they have him trained by snoke or the emperor or whatever like and Like like how what the emperor did with what palpatine did with maul They could do that with little baby luke Yeah, literally literally and and he knows how dangerous it would be So he has to like hide himself so they can't even get like a toenail from him You know to like clone his dna or whatever So it's like they let's say they tried with the hand and it got super close and it failed Or whatever or or like that luke died or something, you know Like that could potentially be a good answer as to like why he had to hide for so long But besides if you were writing it for them right now, maybe that's what they're gonna do theory This thing's been all about cloning, right? We think that's all focused on operation necromancer.  I don't want to say they copy but let the same time like It is kind of weird. So let me try to find it. Just just just keep riffing. I'm gonna I gotta look for this. Well, yeah, um, it was funny ryan when I think This met you started talking to star star stuff. I was always like pretty sure this is the guy who likes Dave Filoni stuff gonna be awkward I figured we might have like Conflict on because obviously coming in on the sequels. We were like, yeah, it's shit, but All the stuff surrounding it and it's just funny in retrospect. So I still think the three of us are still slightly different On the on the whole thing Yeah, I imagine. Yeah. Yeah. Is this So I made this I wrote this dude. I wrote this in uh five years. You're july 1st 2018 and like a lot of the stuff I put in here that I'm actually doing Oh man Whatever Except there wasn't luke that got elixir. There wasn't uh luke that raised it up It was It was it was him in in rise.  I think Um star wars has been around a long time. It is massively popular um Marvel as a brand obviously has been around for a long time, but the mcu is only a 15 year old product So yeah, all just kind of depends on what you're talking about. It's like when I talk about what I think the worst Say star wars disney plus show is The worst that I've seen is bookabob effect. I think that's the like the worst actual product The one that I hate the most and does the most damage to everything in my opinion is obi-wan kenobi So it depends what you mean by the worst, you know, I was gonna say like really I don't think obi-wan is I mean obi-wan has sure like cool moments But what what moment won't be cool?  What do you think of veda's voice? Uh, I can't really remember it. It feels like something only um, I guess Sort of like autistic fans would really get into but like I was I was not liking it I was like something's wrong and uh, I can't remember which episode it is on the moolah channel But we look at the credits and it says re-speecher is what's doing veda.  I remember that because it was uh There was some story out there that basically James Earl Jones like had given his permission to some company to digitally replicate his voice Um, it was a little weird Obviously had the moment where you know at the end where Anakin hit half the helmet comes off and it switches to Hayden Which is I mean cool, but what the beat Would brain I will tolerate Your weakness Yeah Like how he nunscape there he's like playing Snape Vader Yeah, yeah, it feels like someone trying to do a veda voice in this case.  Let's do The grand inquisitor means nothing Kenobi is all that matters now. Yeah, Kenobi. It's more should be like Kenobi It's it's too almost like quick. He's too fast with it.  That's what the robot got told. Well, you know what after more intense since I edited it and it took ages You could probably just back out the sequence I made on the About many what we did the links in chat. It's um one hour 06 31 I do like a side-by-side And uh, yeah, it's it's it's just on top of everything. Well, this is The faintness of it Yes, uh one hour. This was the only thing we had to talk about and that it wouldn't be that big of a deal But the void of humanity. What should I do about it? Have you heard of Lucas same problem back back home? I've accepted the truth that you were once Anakin's every one in the manover Sorry, did you say this is word? It was yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The veda one comes after this Can't believe he's gone You will find balance as well.  I didn't hear you give any ideas always get back up Yes, and it's it. Yes. Yeah, it's like you're like skinwalk of veda You are free to use any methods necessary But I want them alive No disintegrations Bring him to me.   Indeed. You are paul. Yeah, exactly as I thought just too quick Needs to be more dramatic And at least you can blame like this stuff on whatever ai or whatever they're using for it To me. I feel like it's a problem throughout the entire Mando verse Which for the Mandalorians you got the excuse because they're supposed to feel like they're in a cult because they are But I feel like characters like characters like Ahsoka Um, I feel like talk the same way almost every inner Was every interaction we had in the Ahsoka series felt like they were talking like this Without any emotion. Yeah. Well, cuz yeah, Brian. They're they're humans though That's what I'm saying like this has the excuse of being ai. I think it's a problem in star wars right now Awful as the emperor has foreseen fail me And you will not live to regret it. Oh, you did a little better job there.  Hey What is like and this thing I guess it would be I don't know it'll get good Good or uh, it'll be better at some point, right?  Because this is something I do it, right? Steven I think I think we are the biggest fans that you can get and I think you know These are the kind of conversations that disney would pay Perhaps even you know millions for to have pure fans like this really break down a lot of the nitty gritties Because it's not really coming from a place of shitting. It's coming from a place of love that we want We want it to be like it what it was when george had it dude. I cannot tell you how excited I was October 30th 2012 when I found out that disney was buying star wars Yeah, me too Because to me so for people that don't know I I'm a big stars expanding universe fan now currently known as legends and I got into star wars really during the prequels So I watched the original trilogy you know vhs of my dad had probably when I was like, you know five six seven whatever But when phantom menace came out I like really dove in and the books that I read along with You know in that time were the Jedi apprentice books with obi-wan kanobi and kwaigon and their journey together and from that point on I read everything I get my hands on then I got into all the air to the empire stuff the timothy zhan trilogy I get the x-wing series and I dove in headfirst video games everything and I loved it So for me when disney bought stars in 2012 I was like cheering I was so happy because I'm like I knew george was probably not going to make the movies But that might mean I am finally going to get to see some of the stories some of the characters some of the things that have been building up In this world, you know 150 novels thousands of comic books all this stuff. I thought I was going to get to see that play out and Slowly I realized that wasn't going to happen tried to give force awakens a chance even though I felt like This is just a bastardized version of jason solo and they gave him the name ben. How dare they? Okay, but I'll give it a try. This isn't I thought this might be jana or solo when she got jana solo when she got cast But that turned out not to be the case and to me force awakens was an empty husk It was a house of cards. It was built on nothing But like they disrespected the character of han solo what they did to him was arguably worse than what they did to Luke to be honest with him. I don't feel like anybody called it out at the time I hated force awakens and from that point on I was really turned off to what disney was doing Even now with the expectation that I'm going to hate pretty much anything they do I try to do my best to give like my legit honest opinion Because that's all I feel like we can do I'm going to make somebody toxic I think the best thing for star wars the best thing for a fandom is if people are actually honest Regardless of whatever your opinion is whether you love something or you hate it Well, you have no opinion or whether a little of both whether you appreciate something because of the work That went into the craftsmanship or the screws, uh, but maybe it didn't like the overall product I think the most important thing is being honest Not just uh, so fans can talk about it without any shame But also so the creatives can hear what you are saying and maybe make changes to that So I am still a massive star wars fan. I hate virtually everything disney star wars related and I don't think it's going to change But I'm still gonna give my opinions on it I absolutely agree and I think you know a lot of people that have issues with opinions that aren't like theirs Kind of just got to be a little more realistic and open-minded about things that hey not everyone's going to agree with you and look at the end of the day If you know, I always like to comment when it comes to money It's like oh you just want to do hate for hate for clicks or whatever. It's like if I really loved Everything they were doing believe me that would bring in so much more clicks and so much more money because The entire fandom would also love everything they're doing and it's like There are so many reasons why I choose my words carefully when it comes to talking about What they're doing these days, but at the same time it's like I have to be real about everything And it all stems from love it all stems from you know that feeling that we had when we were kids With star wars that made us really fall in love with this whole franchise And that's why we're so passionate about it and people are just like oh you hate it Well, it's like no We actually love it and we just wanted to go back to what it once was because we're having this company that came in to Just milk the shit out of it and they don't understand anything that goes into These characters or what went into them or where their character trajectory needs to go or Their path or anything and they just say stupid claims Like there's no source material or whatever else they want to come up with And then they're focusing on all these other characters that they just interject and create And the way that they bolster them is by killing off the ones that we love It's particularly strange as a sentiment to me because You know the goal and Brian's already made it clear I really like talking to people who are just like this is what I got from it. This is what I think and feel That's it. There's no ring attached from what I can guess Even though we're all very aware of how the audience are going to take certain takes That's why we try and couch them in an old way that's full of our arguments to try and help them understand but this doesn't work because Game of Thrones happened I don't know if how familiar you are theory with how that happened But that's another franchise that went down fucking flames Game of Thrones.  I was a huge fan and then the last season I was like Yeah, so I'm Among many people known as just one of the big old haters at Game of Thrones as well Uh, that how's the dragons announced and I'm asked on you can see all the streams that would have come out I was like, it's gonna be it. I don't care. It's fine. What uh killed my interest in Game of Thrones is done They comes and Gary's like you mind watching it so that you can talk to me about it on a show and I was like Yeah, okay. Yeah, I guess so I watch episode one. I'm like, I don't know It's not like terrible and you can go see that stream where I'm begrudgingly admitting these things I like and it is actors. I think they're doing good jobs.  Can't wait to see what's gonna happen Oh, do you think it's gonna be this? And by the end now season two when the trailers drop in and like all the the hype for that It's getting high and it's like how could it possibly be that me and Gary were like, you know, like almost hate merchants Why didn't we run that direction? Why did we turn on it? And then You know, I'm not gonna say this applies as much to you guys, but certainly to me I went into Star Wars looking to specifically be hateful of it.  What that was that wasn't even difficult for me I could have hated on andor so to speak plenty of people didn't like it plenty people didn't even watch it But it'd been easy, but um, no, I we made a full like eight hour episode talking about what we thought worked about it Dude, how's the dragon? I I'm totally with you. I I used to get called a hater by my buddy. I watched Game of Thrones with because in season six I felt like season six was so like hit or miss. I was talking like so was weird Like I don't like this like I was like point out things.  It was worse and then eight was a disaster Um, I thought House of Dragon was going to be garbage. So all these people out some commentary from behind the scenes I personally said I thought it was going to be trash. Uh, I didn't like some of the things they decided to do casting wise And I had as about as poor opinion as I possibly could And I could not have been happier to be completely and totally wrong Yeah, because now I have another show that I've rewatched probably five times since it came out I'm anxiously awaiting whenever they drop the season two trailer and I can't wait to do like watch alongs and stuff for Season two.  We're all gonna have our biases and like what we expect to happen when we go into things But I think that 95 of the people out there Are going to be open enough to if they changed their mind admit that like that was not what I was expecting I was wrong about that thing and I actually like it So you guys are excited for and or two I'm not particularly excited for and or two I'm anxious about it because I don't know what it's gonna end up as considering the first season was not well liked Like or at least liked enough that they would allow him to just do the season two that fits season one Maybe it'll get chewed up and left behind.  I don't even treat those shows the same way Ahsoka is better than Boba Fett and Kenobi I think I assume everyone here agrees I I think so too but I also Don't think it's very good I think that you just got as a prologue to what you think is like coming next I would kind of agree with that because typically in prologues There's not very much character arc or development or like important things And over eight episodes, we didn't have much of that Um to me Ahsoka and like watching along each and every week. It felt very much like Force awakens in terms of people seeing things and like theories and like trying to find explanations of what happened Yeah, and we went from talking about in episode three or four You know Balan and Shin the man. These are such interesting characters. I really like what they're building But now at the end once you get the full arc you're like They are nothing They're not characters when we literally we never found out any more about them than we knew in the first couple episodes We needed more we needed more like episodes Six five five five five five and six was like we found out some more about balan.  Give me some more info on these guys and then nothing Literally nothing and it's like where balan ends. It's like all right Uh Now we gotta wait years Couldn't you give us a little more? Maybe he walks into that that glimmering mountain like It's it's really just like uh, it's a mystery box, dude He could have had like in that final episode They could have had like an extra few minutes with him And he's like walking and he like he let's say he sees the freaking glimmering mountain And then at the very freaking end He's at the the base of it Maybe climbs all these stairs. We switched to another scene with a soca and I don't know the hugging Ezra or something and then we switched we switched back to balan. He's like at the top He goes in and it's like this Freaking crazy old-ass catacomb He just walks in with beautiful architecture and like the music is building and we get let's say The camera angle of him walking through the door And then there's a chair and it pans around the chair and then like some dude or a hand like moves Or something and it just ends like an old an old like withered hand something man, or like or like I've been waiting for you.   What the hell's going on? It's like she pops up in the The scavengers or whatever the skies are called Uh that randomly decide to follow or not follow people at different points in time. Yeah, um yeah, like Sabine I have so many problems with the isoka series. Sabine is a character. I didn't like her in rebels Um, so I was not a big fan of her in rebels. So that you know, I wasn't expecting to go and really like her that much I feel like She didn't really face any repercussions for Anything like she never actually had to answer to ezra about what she did Anything that they do in isoka that could possibly be compelling. They never address like It would have been interesting to see sabine be forced to admit to ezra that I really fucked up And I should have destroyed this but I wanted to see you because we have this platonic relationship Uh, I really wanted to get here and see you So I led I like gran admiral thron get what he needs to get back to the galaxy But here I am and then to see ezra dealing with the fallout from that realizing that I spent 10 years Like of my life because I didn't want to get back to galaxy and you gave that up But at the same time realizing that you gave that up to see me and how important that would be to him personally Yeah, that's actually some good character shit that we could see some repercussions for her Some feelings of actual guilt for her having to come face to face with what she did But instead we get her on the wing of the starship and isoka, you know coming down like the cheshire cat Uh, basically forgiven her for everything come on dude I was I know that was wild as shit, especially as someone who hasn't seen The majority of the content that would make that interesting, right? We had someone on our panel that would tell us like Oh, just the key points of where these characters were and why they move to where they are now just so we could follow it and we were like Ezra's been here for like 10 years and it's like Yeah, and it just feels like I feel like we don't see that on him at all other than the fact that he's aged up I was like this doesn't Okay, 10 years on this planet.  They go to another galaxy And they find exactly where they need to be within minutes like No trouble no anything nothing, but Ron and that's what I'm saying like There is so much missing from Ahsoka that that needs an explanation That needs an explanation. Why and I think you could plausibly come up with one If you like are And halfway decent writer at all you can come up with a reason for why Thrawn and Ezra are separated And why he didn't kill him Like there's stuff there that you could do Whether it's because they were working together at one point and then they had a split because of something Thrawn What to do maybe they were actually like working together and they were aligned and they became friends over that time Like because of the situation they were in. Yeah Um or you you have to come up with something to excuse why Thrawn doesn't kill Ezra take care of that because why Ron's own words. Well, this fake Thrawn's potbelly Thrawn this Thrawn who says never underestimated Jedi He says that like three times yet. He continuously underestimates Jedi throughout the entire series Um, including the one that he left alive on the planet for 10 years 10 years now.  I'm like, well, what if he's just not real? What if it's like something that the witches did to just distract Sabine so that he can finish his loading? You know, oh, yeah, yeah Going in the MCU back when phase four was happening and everything was falling apart You can see it on some streams me and Gary were like, what if what if the what if Mephisto is behind all this? He's making everyone insane Like maybe that can Answer this.  Like how could she be there though? Okay, so I feel like we all agree on literally everything um What Well, I want to I want to talk a little about Dave about Dave. All right, so I was gonna after this but I ended up to Let's say they gave you the keys. What would you do? Me well, let's talk about Dave right now. Okay. Well, so With all of this I feel like this is what it was weird to me I feel like you're a massive Dave Filoni fan This is my impression of you from like watching some of your content and stuff like this I felt like you're a massive Dave Filoni fan Like you didn't think Ahsoka was like the best thing in the world But you thought it was good star wars and then it felt like star wars And then when I heard uh when I heard you're in Mahler's conversation and you described Dave Filoni's content as like a half eaten sandwich that someone threw in the dirt that's rotting But you happen to be starving so you ate it And And that was like surprised to me because I didn't think that That's how you would have described what Dave Filoni's putting out But is is that how you feel about Ahsoka as a whole? No, that's not how I feel about Ahsoka as a whole But I would say the last two episodes were just very disney and very safe and very boring But I'd say the first six episodes for me Okay, so We I see things George Lucas star wars Pinnacle epitome you can't beat it because that's what that's created the whole thing Then under that you got You know who you have Who do you have who all right you sorry? Yeah, you're saying individual creators. I thought you meant you were like ordering well The thing about this question is like are you talking about who do we know who likes star wars and is talented? Or are you saying like who do we know that like that likes star wars as much as dave is as as uh respectful to george lucas and the legacy as dave because that's Really a major thing here is that no one is as respectful Like nobody who gets hired for star wars is as respectful to george lucas I think not kathy Not ryan not jj not all these dudes who just basically You know suck on his balls, but at the same time just like destroy everything he's created So I I think that Dave talks about that a lot, but at the same time we just talked about a character in Ahsoka that Went on this massive arc that george did not want her to go on Like exclusively and this has now become felonies pet project that he will not let go of that He will not let die that he continues to make the most important character in his star wars universe Now that george isn't calling the shot. So to me I I understand what you're saying um, and I think felonie does a very good job of You know talking about how much he likes george and honoring that stuff, but some of the stuff I see Like the Ahsoka stuff doesn't necessarily show that um To me and that's one of the now I I've had problems with Dave for a long time I had a problem with clone wars because when clone wars was coming out Um, it really we had a very aligned I'm sure you'd know this we had a very aligned timeline for the clone wars Like week by week through the clone wars You could you knew like who was wearing on what different planets based on comics and uh, you know based on comic books And based on novels and shit like this right And and of course, you know the The Tartakovsky clone wars series specifically that writing a rhizas or brevetches writing a wrench of the set ass freaking I love that. It's amazing. It's perfect and it fits with the movie. Yeah, um, and then tcw comes along And there starts to become a lot of differences and george was certainly part of that.  Let's make him an admiral in clone wars But he wasn't he was a colonel So they had to like write in a retcon for him to like retire and like going to the imperial security bureau or something like something really dumb Yeah, but he got called out at a in like 2009 or something got called out at like a convention and got like butt hurt about it the e-fans But then from that point on it seemed like just a lot of things And I am in the minority clone wars fans are in a minority section of star wars fans in general Yeah, but e-u fans are an even more minority. So I understand that But for me, I hated a lot of things they did with say Dathomir and the night sisters the changes they made like that.   I was like Okay, uh And then he came back as a spider and I was just really confused Yeah That was when I what that was when I stopped watching clone wars. Um Like even though I really didn't like it. I hated what they did to grievous I felt like they nerf grievous I I hated the fact that they made obi-wan and anakin fight dooku every other saturday Even though we know that they didn't see each other after genosis until right there above coruscant We know that didn't happen. And so when you see that stuff happen I feel like it takes away From the george lucas moments that we got in and of course george is involved in clone wars Not saying he's not but it takes away those moments That we see in the movies and I hate that stuff It's one of the reasons I hated what they did with obi-wan and in the dark vader series Because they did not meet in between the movies. Hell. No, they didn't know I had the same criticisms for clone wars that I do for things like obi-wan kenobi Do you know how much the last episode of kenobi like rips a bunch of payoffs from revenge of the sith and just repeats them Like to re to rebind back into the into the story.  Which ones It's the same thing. He leaves him like obi-wan beats him. Yeah, and instead of finishing the job He leaves him He ends up in a desert which made more sense way more sense in revenge of the sith than it does in that show They they make it explicit in the show that he's like I don't I don't I don't remember I'll kill you because you're like you're anakin He's like not anakin definitely not anima monster as far as you're concerned killing people Make your choice obi-wan that he's like nah and walks off and it's like And also in the novelization for revenge of the sith they don't make it super clear in the movie But in the novelization for revenge of the sith obi-wan knows palpatine is like right there Like he knows cedius is coming and there's not even really much Like opportunity for him to sit there and think about it and he just scoops up the lightsaber You gotta get out of there.  We should kill you No, it's not gonna happen and then he sees the ship flying the shuttle flying overhead He's got to get out of there I mean it wrote it in the book and stuff and you know the book is Canon because you know, george did read over it a lot But at the end of the day like what is most canon of course is the first six films and then the clone wars And then if you want to bring the books in there, yeah Because he did read them and he did have to approve a lot of the stuff going in there, but for sure. Yeah And that was what when tcw came so before tcw was a thing That and also, I don't know if you know this. I've never been able to find a single instance of george lucas himself uttering the words canon Never unless you're referencing like a kind of world war or world war one battle or something. I don't know, uh, but um He always referred to his different things. He would say the different pillars of star wars or or things like that are my vision versus my company's vision things like that um but When it came to lucas film they had george's movies Then you know novels comics things like that video game like canon I'm not canon, but like mainline video game stories that you were supposed to do like the right ending um Then below that I know you've been covering some like infinities and stuff like that. Yeah alternate endings like maybe dark side Cotor playthrough things like that. There were alternate endings. Those were like the Smallest or the worst level of canon possible then tcw came in and they needed to create a new canon Because it didn't fit with the movies and it didn't fit with the books.  It was so cool. It's a cool storyline.  I guess it's not yeah for the record. I don't think force unleashed is perfect in any way shape or form But it's I mean compare it, you know, that's the thing. Nothing's perfect. Nothing like the prequels aren't perfect The originals aren't perfect, but At the end of the day, it's like them being imperfect is perfect because it's like, oh, yeah, okay, you know recognize all this All the clunky dialogue or whatever else happened in the originals that people don't like you can rip apart everything but I would say the most The things you can rip apart the most and when it comes to the sequel trilogy why there's so much discourse is not because Well, there are bad films in my opinion, but it's not because they're like It's not because they're subjectively bad films It's because they're literally the third installment in a nine film saga of films where you had six Before that made by one guy who created the whole thing and then the last three were like Fish mash a completely different company which had a different vision if you could even Call it that which is being generous But you had like different in different people writing each episode Well, the people said I've never seen a trilogy hate itself so much, right? No equal despise the previous film It's weird. It is weird. You just don't see that No, you don't see that like nine literally just shat on eight the whole time and How sequel fans don't really want to acknowledge that to me is just like well You gotta be delusional or something because it just doesn't make any sense I have have you how many people do you tend to come across that are a fan of seven eight and nine? Most of time I see people who are fans of eight and then sometimes seven really have a nine People who love eight don't love nine when I've noticed. Yeah.  Oh, look at their chemistry. Oh, they've been through so much. Oh, yeah Look at it.  Like Back to me Yeah, I know okay, so going forwards. What is there anything they can do to actually Bring a lot of the old star wars fans back. What would they need to do one question? I was I was just curious because I'm trying to find something that we definitely stand on different areas on And I'm sure if Ryan's with me on this one, but I won't Dave out That's my opinion, right? Okay, I I want we did it We found something I want I want every so if you're asking me what I would do to fix star wars or whatever You clean house completely a lucas foam You have to start over fresh like you need to turn over a new leaf and that's everybody Ahsoka is Dave's baby. I don't think there's any other writer on it It's him And I although I didn't think it was as like Dumb and stupid as Boba Fett It was a really I thought a really incredibly poorly written story I thought it was poorly directed. I thought it was poorly acted. I thought it was so it was bad. Um And everything else I've seen him involved with Mando season one to me is the best Overall thing we've gotten Disney star wars like Disney plus star wars wise And to me that story is probably about a four and a half out of ten Um, damn Well, there you go. I mean Ryan can disagree because I think Andal is the best thing they've made I have loads of issues with Mando season one I so Here's what I think about andor. I think andor is The most like technically proficient thing they've done. It's the like the most well written But I'm not interested in it. I'm not interested in the story if that makes sense So that's how I feel about it. I do think that Tony Gilroy turned out like a great product It's not a story that I'm interested in Um, which I wasn't enjoying it very much But if you like maybe take an isolated thing and give it a like a number out of ten and or would probably be Seven out of ten. Just like grading wise. It's just not something I'm interested in. You'd rate and or over Mando season one Like in terms of just a show in and of itself Yeah, yeah, this is what I mean theory. I'm like once again, you proved if you'll excuse me If ever you want to you know, in depth dive into even badness is the one On between what I think is acceptable and sometimes I'm interested in it was Mando season one for me Yeah, if that makes sense. That was fresh. It was new goddess.  I could I could have fucking I wish that dude We got thrown in a dumpster somewhere But For real What I What I was hoping to get out of Mandalorian when it was first announced and everything was a story about a bounty hunter going basically town to town or planet to planet doing jobs kind of the dark underworld side of things and separate From these galactic level events And that to me is what I think if you're going to tell stories within This era of star wars where you're crammed in with all these events that have happened and you can't do anything without screwing up continuity Have to stop trying to make everybody run into everybody else If you're going to tell stories in that era make them not with focused on cameos Make it focused on small character driven narratives about people that are living within the star wars galaxy things like Andor But I I just wasn't invested in that specific story. They decided to tell but mando I think you have episode one two three seven and eight They're like a solid You have a solid story there Or five and six are stupid. I know this episode. You can throw them away.  Even though it's the entire life. Right. It was a cw show. Yeah, um Five was the prison break episode. I think and then okay six. Uh, I forget what six is but I don't remember but I was just gonna say seven and eight I have huge problems with them off.  Yeah, they did but Don't even get me on mando three because that no, yeah, that's completely disastrous But that's the thing bro.  Well, this is why I said to you that I want clean house Because I don't take any risks get rid of the rot wherever it exists get it out But you could be right. Yeah, but the the reality is Does that mean that we just have to keep tolerating it until k.k leaves and then we can finally have felonian favo beef They can I My assumption is a soaker is the way that feloni wanted to be I think that'd be genuine I don't think he's gonna tell us his show because like uh, there are industry stories all the time And the mcu is Countlessly filled with these where they bring in artists make the thing and then they leave and swear off working for them ever again You're like, whoa, why he's like I had no control. I am making shit for them Like oh, okay And I just don't get that impression from feloni or favro though with favro I've got my own theories on that because I think we spoke last time theory about how Favro did complain quite publicly and artistically in chef for example about the state of marvel and how he left You know, I'm man one. I'm man two.  Okay, and then I saw what he made and I was like, no I think that I think that we in general I will defend Kathleen kennedy for a moment here. I know you thought I was toxic I'm gonna send a kathleen kennedy three bedroom. I think that We are way too quick to jump and assume that oh, we don't like something that must mean kathleen kennedy interfered with it We like this thing that must mean she never had her hands on it I don't think she's involved that closely in like that way. I think she hires people to do things um Now I certainly think she'll get upset at things or whatever when controversies arise But I think she hires people that she wants for the projects And I think she hired john and she promoted dav feloni like kathleen kennedy did that dav feloni has only got promotions Uh at lucas film since she's been there um, and I personally think that it's because They're fine with her leading. You know what I mean?  Is he still here? I'm right here. What happened to him? I'm right here Well, I just think like it's to me it ends up being like a cop out because We're theorizing Well, you know dav feloni did this thing I like so it must mean kathy wasn't involved. Yeah. No, I know what you mean I see that all the time. It's like people say it on twitter and they're like, oh, so you like something So it was kathy not involved with that one. I'm like So yeah comment really have this happen all the time say about it Why brought up ridley scott? It's like did ridley scott miss with prometheus or is he just Not very not as good as he used to be and it's like, I don't know Don't have to say Um, but for me, I think to move forward I think you need to clean house now personally I would do something that probably a lot of people wouldn't do I would erase every single disney thing that's been made I don't care if you like it.  I'm erasing it from existence Everything that's come out disney wise every book every piece of content and you start from where you were before Yeah, before the I I know the stories that I would like to tell I need to be a continuation from where we were in the eu also Weaving in a lot of george's sequel ideas that he was talking about george's bit because george's had like Several different He's had so many right. Um, he was on record When force awakens came out. He's like, uh, you know the sequels about the grandchildren That's all in the books and the novels and everything. He said that he's talked about his idea for the wills We've heard the darth mal clone Darth talon type like there's a lot ideas out there And I think you leave all those together and make that and continue to tell that while exploring all aspects of star wars He wasn't supposed to be a clone Well, he was when someone told george that Darth talon lived 150 years after darth mal did and he's like, well, he could be a descendant or a clone or something Oh, okay. Okay. So when is rey coming to this story? Uh, never She can she could be a fart in the wind.  There's so much freedom. You have to tell stories within those time frames Um, you can do so much stuff and I think that that's where people I think a lot of people Would be okay with that doesn't mean we're not hurt from what happened before doesn't mean We're not still salty about the things that happen But as you see people continue to come back to stars and give things chances even when they think it might be bad You got to move forward. You got to move way back and for the stories like I said that are in The prequel to rise of the empire just a little bit after the fall of the empire rising in republic in those eras You have to stop trying to link Everybody whose stories you have already fucked up like into it.  Let them be and tell other stories in that universe You know george's like idea for underworld Um, it was going to be a lot of kind of like disconnected stories But all set, you know in in this kind of underworld setting of course on that's what they need to focus on They're not good at keeping things straight. They're just not Dave Filoni can't even keep his own continuity straight so I think that That's what they should do if I were to like look at stars realistically That's what I would tell them to do over public stuff. Please. Let's get jedi mandalorian wars now I think they're gonna screw it up. I think they'll screw that up to anything they take if they touch revan They'll screw them up But that's the way that I think they should move forward for star wars Yeah, you know what? I get behind that completely. I but it's also my concern is like Even if they get rid of everybody There's still someone pulling the strings of like who needs to be filling in all of the new roles So it's like they're probably just going to get in the same kind of person. Well, I think it's all I don't know if ryan would agree But you think filoni's bad enough that you'd rather take a dice roll and a random creative in the world For me. Yes. Um, I think I'm probably in the minority in that I used to get a lot of hate when I talk bad about Dave Filoni. I don't get as much anymore Um, but for me because I really dislike his I dislike his storytelling I dislike almost all the projects he's done. So for me, no I would not like filoni. I still think he's the only thing we got and I think he's he's Sometimes he goes pretty outlandish for those ideas, but at the same time it's That's what he's doing. He's still leading us in a better direction than anybody else can Except for and I say this, you know Kind of worrisome, but I do think That sam witt were would potentially be better than Dave Filoni and john fabro combined. I think so I mean, I like salmon. He's a big. He's a massive star wars fan. He knows a lot. I have no idea in terms of um Production experience what he has like I know he's obviously Super talented voice actors done a lot of live action acting as well. I don't know What his experience and that I I don't know either but to be honest I don't think you really need all that much experience when it comes to If you're if you're at the level sam's at, um All you got to do is write good stories the role we need him on is just You know, he can see the thing they make and be like yes consultant. Yeah, essentially just director of Go run a maybe of stalls Exactly like what george did for the the original trilogy for five and six like he wasn't director, but he was literally Standing around corralling everyone to make sure that they do it the way it's supposed to be done His story I think sam witt were would be the perfect person for that and he did that a little bit with solo at the end If you listen to that that bit he talked about where they came to him and they're like, hey, what's the deal with you know Maul and the lightsabers that he because they were going to give him his regular lightsaber And it's like well that wouldn't have it during this time period No, it doesn't make any sense and and that's also the problem with a lot of these guys Coming into writing or direct star wars.  It just doesn't work It's got to be a Dave felony a john fevro or a sam witt were or a you know You want to get tony gilroy?  I don't think but You know, you never know Well, that's the thing though I don't get the impression that Dave felony respects canon slash continuity seems to play with it constantly doesn't really care and To be fair. I love george Um, he he messed with his own stuff a lot. He was constantly tweaking things changing things To me, I even though I don't maybe like some of the times he did that That's his baby and it's his right to do it. Yeah, man. I don't have that same feeling when dave does it Looks like the uh, you know, I mean the ending to did you ever watch my interview with nick gillard Did you ever see the the part at the end where he's talking about how there was an alternate? demise to anakin with anakin and obi one and and Hayden and you and even went to george and they were like, please do this This would have been so much better and george's like no So Did you see that part? I I remember I don't know if I've seen it from is behind the scene stuff, right? No, it was my interview interview with him like nobody. Oh your thing you did with him. Yeah, nobody knows this it's out trying to find the clip because he explains it so much better, but um, essentially there was like A couple you guys keep talking. I'm gonna find it. Okay. Yeah, um, yeah, like I feel like felonius very cavalier with it and One of the things that they did when they decided to get rid of the expanded universe They made a statement and they made a promise to people going forward that everything that we do is going to be in line That everything we publish book wise combo. Everything's going to be in line. And so then we get anisoka novel and then The parts that we get say in like tales of the jedi or her lightsaber color and like things like this are Off when dav does the continuation of the story Not that they needed to be you could have fit it in there He didn't want to and is are many people really going to care about that? I guess not the people that read the novel and thought that that was going to be probably do same thing with kanan and uh kanan's as well, uh, not kanan, but uh Whatever he was the jedi his escape from order 66 same thing. They decided wreck on that in bad batch Yeah, they did wreck on a lot of that. Hey Yeah, and and and i'm speaking of i'm speaking to someone that is not attached to that stuff Right, but it i don't i don't really care about the asoka novel. I don't really care about Rebels all that much or kanan as a character But sticking in continuity is important to me when it's something that You're not being it's out of convenience. Say the dark saber. That's an important one, right? When you establish the dark saber you introduce the dark saber you have sabine and all the stuff that she does with the dark saber and then For no other reason other than you can't figure out a way to write it better You decide to change the rules of the dark saber suddenly that oh, well You need to beat somebody in a battle to become the leader of mandolin Like that was wild to me That they actually went ahead and like established that in mandalorian Yeah, that was just laziness and no care about what came before Mahler you need to see I miss these days when people actually gave a shit. I know right Dude, I was just thinking about this like how if we did get the keys and we got to wreck on it And then we made a new sequel trilogy.  That's a billion percent on board and as far as I can tell disney don't really care They're right there. They're ready to go. They could make Who knows how much star wars god debt?  They could do they couldn't they could do it They literally do everything But yeah, what's with this von rum guy has been trying to give you the answer about if kk or others You guys should bring him on really quick. He's an insane story and ran at the fabro two weeks ago Who's is this uh YouTuber von rum not familiar. No, okay. I have no idea all right They're setting up the sequels on his well That's the thing also his movie is essentially going to be the first sequel trilogy that we're going to have If you think about it Well, I mean to me his movie is just leading into the sequels I got the entire mando verse to me is tying into the sequel trilogy Yeah, he might be trying to give us a bit of fun beforehand, but we're having there I think he's gonna do his own thing man. I don't know I would hate it if he did that. Okay here. I got it. I got it. I got it Forgot that I actually clipped it Yeah, like to me, um Uh, oh there it is there it is Thought for most of all was the high ground thing We we hated the high ground It's the biggest meme now everyone.  Yeah And it was about it really was about hayden hayden and I used to walk to this restaurant at night in bondai And and there was a big grass slope and that was the quickest way but he fell over it He fell the first time we went he's Upended himself and slid all down the bank and said I'm never going that way again And in my head, I thought oh, he's you know and Vader is bad on a slope. It gives you something to work with Um, but that's sort of how that happened. But we had a different version of that where that didn't happen and um Oh because arms and his legs off a different way I mean there was a version where there was no high ground There was a version that the whole volcano thing where they land on that droid wasn't there originally they swung and landed They swung off that great big rope And they just landed on the side of the volcano on the lava Right next to each other and straight away anakin just grabbed him by the he disarmed him Grabbed him by the throat, you know, you've got him and obi savers down on the ground And anakin says i'm sorry has to be this way my master and actually Let he lets it go obi Hunches to get away from it sucks his sabre up As he pulls his sabre up and cuts through anakin's arms almost by mistake And then chops through his legs almost by mistake and the whole body fell off of his legs And then he you know, it was more of a defense gone wrong kind of move It was strong even the boys that uh, you and and had and Went to george and said george this and he was he was having none of it But it's george lucas, you know, he's yeah, yeah He's like we wouldn't be having this conversation if it wasn't for george. So I think it's foolish second guessing him It's foolish, but you know That's awesome. I know dude. I think that would have been way cooler Have you uh, do you play the revenge of the sith game? Yes. Yeah, I'm like ps2 or whatever Bro the alternate ending for that game is like my favorite thing ever. Oh dude, it's wicked.  And there was a portion after uh, after Basically when palpatine where anakin and mace bought And it was like this awesome fight and i'm in the theater Like as the scene's like happening anakin's racing to the to the chancellor's office I'm telling my buddies like bro This is about to be the coolest fight you've ever seen anakin and mace are about to fight I was like hype it up and then he skits there. He's like I can't I need him Out the window and my all my friends just like look at me. I'm like I don't know what happened I don't know like who invited this camera Yeah, but yeah, that was wait while because the novelizations used to be put out before the movie Like no one cared about spoilers like they do back then No, because it wasn't disney freaking he was promoting Everything as much as he could dude. I had a darth malt t-shirt. I had the episode one book before the movie came out. I had Uh, dude darth malt was on everything It was crazy. It was a crazy time Remember as well. How old was everybody here when they would have seen revenge is in the theater because 15 Because I would have been I was uh Well, yeah, I was I guess 16 or so you've been 16 or 17. Yeah, yeah seven plus it doesn't five, right? Wait, would I've been 13? Yeah, you'd be 13. I was you were 13. I was 15.   This is the best part Oh shit, I remember this. Yeah Excellent work by apprentice There are none left to oppose us The galaxy is ours now You're a new weapon lord faker It was troopers No, the galaxy belongs to me They go that's it. That's the alternate ending. I love it. It's weird like the weird flip. I'm just like I'm gonna distract the emperor with this cool flip Pretty much what's you got? What's your favorite star wars video game? Uh, dude, I really liked I really liked, um Fallen order Really? Okay. Yeah The one that made me the most excited as a kid was probably I mean nostalgia reason jk2 Jedi 2 Jedi outcast Yeah, like you're dead at Jedi outcast is amazing Jedi academy is also great I prefer that lightsaber play to pretty much anything Although like Jedi survivor is slick and cool and feels good But in terms of the level of control and how much a lightsaber actually feels like it's a lightsaber Um The Jedi night Jedi outcast and Jedi academy games all way Hunter me. I agree. Yeah, um, yeah Alfred too for me That is just because I loved playing that whole galaxy map the world and taking over as all different factions and Feeling like, you know, this is what would have happened if they did this My favorite was cis by the way because you kept getting Darth Maul and Count Dooku as your heroes and stuff And I was like, oh, cool. And uh, what are my favorite things? This is a little bit.    Let's go to the story.  I'd be okay.  I had a little joystick and everything. I'd spend hours down there on the computer Um galactic battlegrounds empire at war if you're talking about like more strategy based games were awesome Obviously night's the old republic. I like night's the old republic two actually better than the first cotour I never played especially never played the second one. Oh my gosh, dude you have if you play it you have to do the restored content mod because Cotor was such a massive success That they wanted to get another one out straight away. They had like a nine month turnaround time um, and a different studio did it um A different studio did it and they got some of the um, whatever you call it The files and everything, uh, whatever they did for cotor. They got some of that from the other studio and all that stuff Yeah, um, and obviously made a lot of their own changes But the story is way more full They cut a ton of content to be able to release it So if you do it get it on pc get the get the restored content mod to play everything they originally intended it to be It's awesome.  I was called for dinner and I was like, I was like, okay And I just like went back to my computer, but I don't really have much memory after that sadly So I think you'd be really interested just because of the way you really like to look at the force and things like that um kraya is a super interesting character. Yeah, um and is kind of known as one of the more Convoluted and complex characters that we've seen in like that kind of element of star wars Yeah, and we especially get so much dialogue over the course of a, you know, 25 hour plate or whatever it is So, yeah, dude.  You know who interests me is sion if I would just keep living Darth signa basically and that's always the answer that I get when I say don't like mall It's like, well, how do you feel about Darth sion? it's like Well, so Darth sion is a guy who lives on the dark side and like he's so angry that you just can't kill him now In the video game. It's basically portrayed as you bring his health bar down and it goes back up Right, what does that really mean if I chop his head off will he live?      He's like, you know, maybe a mace is alive. Yeah, sure I'm fine with that could be Yeah, well, and that's the thing and To me Ultimately and I know george was involved in that decision to bring mall back, right? He greenlit that thing, of course um, but to me that Does start to become a problem and we're starting to see it now and like in current star wars content because if If you set if you establish that That someone can survive that Well, why can't you reasonably justify that someone else could survive this or that or that or that? And now I feel like It doesn't feel like anybody legitimately has ever really gone even book a boba fett um when you think Tim of the elephant you think Tim of the elephant's dead No, yeah, no, he's alive. No. Oh, what about ming now when she gets shot in the gut? No problem She's fine. Oh my god.  About sabine getting a lightsaber through the gut. I watched Darth Maul get cut in half and he's alive I know what you're just surprised a lot of that But there's so many things to argue about that because it's like He has the dark side. None of these people have the dark side reva Yeah, reva. Exactly. There you go. She doesn't know it's like bro. There's no character that kid Jedi This is me off more than reba And also because she just took the whole show Yeah, you hate women. Oh Yeah, yeah, I guess well, I I saw a bunch of people being like because I have you in the stream now It's like they're seeing a whole bunch of stuff. You must you must do this your racist. You hate I have not been paying too much attention to the chat to be honest Yeah, whatever I have so I have no I have no real idea what's going real idea what's going on, but I love you chat. You're awesome We got 3,500 people in the chat consistently for the last While now so if y'all could hit like I'd really appreciate it boys. I'm sorry. I'm going to do a quick plug I just dropped my merch. So if you guys Want to go and purchase some merch? 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Yeah, like for me My favorite era of star wars is Post return of the jedi Post return of the jedi expanded universe Seeing luke skywalker and han and leah their kids raising their kids rebuilding the jedi order The grand kid or not the grandkids, but the kids and what they're able to go on and do My favorite star wars character in history is jason solo Like that's my favorite star wars character. Really? Yeah, and The arc that we see him go on Is phenomenal and the legacy of the four series The legacy of the four series really shows a lot it really is a jason series and May or may not end well I don't know and you have to get to the ninth book before you find out but It just brings it pays off, you know decades worth of reading these books and learning about these characters So like to me, that's my favorite part of star wars Which is why I was so excited when disney bought it because I thought at least I was going to get continuations of these stories But no not only they decide to say hey, we're going to wipe us like clean So we can have creative freedom going forward, but also we're going to stop telling any of those stories So it's done That sucked for me That sucked for everybody man. There's so many people that were bent out of shape over it. I think you know half of chat is well Actually chat.  His name is thron, but the way he's portrayed in rebels and now in live action Is not drawn so I don't There's a lot of different opinions on it. I'm of the opinion that You left it. You said hey no longer doing these things. We're rebranding this cannon Do your own shit Yeah, I it it doesn't feel good to me to see a character that I loved done poorly and you expect me to thank you for it That's what I don't like. Um, I think there's some people out there There's some people out there that just want to see it. Hey this character that I know from a book. That's cool That's not me. Um, everybody's different.  This is great Like ask those same people in half a year and they'll be like, oh, yeah Yeah, and it's like a little hints are like a character name here or uh A rep people were like, oh, don't you think the zombie storm troopers are cool?  What's so awkward is you don't even need choreography.   Maybe it works that way in their that universe Could have chopped their arms off and they literally could have just walked at you and bumped you not done anything The oldest powers that we had in the games was just a forced throw with your lightsaber Yeah, what the hell just hey guys stand far back It would almost be boring like in a funny way like so could be like this is easy. I don't even know why they tried this We're like force push them down the stairs You know like What's the big deal and then they shipped at some point like there's a little edit cut Uh where they like bounce back to morgan and then they bounce back to them and instead of being like zombies They're just like running down the corridor fine Yeah, I'm so confused that point. I was like, wait, are they not zombies anymore? Are they like people again? Are they fine now? They're and then the troop is the um asra and sabine fight I was like, oh, they're already zombies. Okay It's been zombies for a while.  Yeah I don't know dude. I was hoping for something a little more like I knew we'd we'd get zombies from them I knew there were zombies, but I was hoping that we would potentially get some like a big villain and like, you know when she was going around Uh when she was going to fight elspeth and then sabine and asra just like leave her I'm like well, you guys could just literally fight her right now for two seconds killer killer real quick Go move on but no But maybe she was afraid that you know, they would die or something. Maybe a sucker was afraid So she sent them off on their own It it was weird and especially with the themes of like sticking together and stuff and how that hasn't paid off well for them Like literally just a couple episodes ago Dude, Brian, they practically lampshaded that it's like, hey, we're supposed to stick together Then so it's like cod let's roll get away though. It's like, okay, so let's stick together Yeah, that's kind of where I saw it too. Yeah, I know I don't know dude. It's I was really invested in bailing the whole time and I was hoping that we would get you know, maybe a little bit more at the end of them But I guess we're gonna have to wait. That's why I really call it like a prologue Soca season zero It doesn't even need to be called a soca Yeah, uh current events Yeah, this week this week in galactic affairs literally. Yeah Luke Skywalker still missing It's not even missing though, that's the thing. No, he's just well, I mean it if no one talked about him though Well, what I guess no, no, because I assume you make it the same point, but it's like he's very Mundanely accessible. He's just on that planet.  Are they actually gonna set us up to have a kyla red kill grogu? Yeah, oh, that'd be cool. That would be cool That'd be badass man. Let's do it. It has to happen Um, but that's what I'm gonna say dude grogu is gonna be the character I guarantee you he's gonna be in the rey movie They're gonna. I don't make sense. Yeah, not be surprised. I would not be surprised at all everybody He's he's the mandalorian jedi Dude, he's he's gonna be 300 years from now. There's a grogu Yeah, probably he's an infinite like character. You know what I mean? Because he'll live for like 700 years forever and they started him off as a baby A 50 year old baby. Yeah, but you know what's weird is that yoda said at uh, What do you say he's 800 years have I trained jedi which means and he was 900 years old almost so like he started training jedi at 100 Yes, so so what's the that that is of growth spurt? So yoda yoda became a jedi master at 100 um Like at least in previous in previously established continuity you did Grogu is already a jedi knight.   I don't know how they could take season three and just So how do you feel about Mando season two as a whole Obviously the Luke Skywalker thing at the end. Yeah. Yeah, how do you feel about the whole season? Yeah, I liked I liked season two But it was I I thought I thought that season two Was a drop-off from season one and mostly because I didn't feel like there was a very Throughout story it mostly felt like cameo the week to me um And it changed from yeah, it's like okay. We got the bokeh ton episode.  We get the luke scowark episode so in in two weeks Mando runs into like super important people just happens upon it, you know what?  I assume here Such a shame that he's being sidelined in his own show When like I've just been waiting for him to be interesting to me again Instead of being a ping-pong ball that goes through everyone else's stories But it's weird because You know he's sidelined boba Yeah, he gets sidelined by bokeh tan And I assume you know about the quote from uh, pager pascalary.  I don't think he wants to play din jaran anymore.  No, I don't think it is I don't think it gives him very much like clout or anything off it. I don't think he gets paid a ton for it First of all, no, um based on what we know about some of the salaries for star wars and stuff like that But also when your helmet's on the entire time, it's Obviously hardcore fans do identify Pedro with that character, but I don't know if a general public does We don't see him. He can't be like look mom on tv Like he can't you know because no one really knows but at the same time We don't need Pedro to be mando Give me a i voice. Who was it the grandson of john wane or something like that? Yeah, the other ones are actually playing him. Yeah, he's the one that is like literally walking around in the mando suit and doing all the stunts and everything so Great. Well, that was change from season two to three, right? And the that's where you can see I'm assuming things went wrong behind the scenes and that he was probably on the cusp of leaving and then they got Because the theory of course Forgive me if you guys have already know more than this than I do But this is just from watching it. You can tell like they had to scrap Assumed production on season three of mandalorian because of issues they would have had and then they rush out boba And then fill in two episodes of mando that they completed Into that season and then because that's clearly the beginning of season three Like yeah from what I heard there were real problems with Pedro And a lot of people felt like he was gonna walk um and Babbro kind of said well Fuck it. I'll replace you with somebody else.  Yeah Um, that's why he was still like not in great shape, too. You know, I mean like he he That I think that the boba fett Entry into season two was last minute and that's why he was so out of shape and everything. Yeah Um, so I I do think that a lot of that drama is probably the reason boba ends up getting pushed into that Which is also the reason for the final mission. He is like he's just a taxi for them Instead of actually like taking part in what they were doing even tomorrow Like he wasn't didn't seem that's the way I read it. It didn't seem too happy with Yeah, you know mandal coming in and taking over his show And at the end of the day mandal's supposed to be Kind of a taking second seat to boba Boba's always got to be number one But now you have it where mando is like The new guy. He's like the new number one. So the when boba shows up.   I love tomorrow's response um and like how he said yeah, I hope uh I hope I don't talk as much next season if we do another season. I think I was talking too much You just stand there be intimidating.  Why would? Is Don't you remember I was a kid on camino. Yeah, that's like, yeah, I know I know what why would Why does it matter it's so much weird dialogue in disney, but then also what happened to the uh the tuscan lady Wait, which husband lady remember the tuscan? There was a tuscan warrior. Who's a girl? Oh, didn't you just get killed or whatever? Did any kill them all? No, she escaped I think yeah didn't she I thought they all go along this by the uh the bikers or whatever right? I don't remember anymore I yeah, I thought he like brought slave one back that they didn't call slave one because they're not offensive anymore I thought that he just like trashed them all or no that was a speeder bike gang, wasn't it?    Oh, no, but we know it's just gonna be just good lady Whatever your name is that's what we title it at least cad bane's alive We know that much Yeah, of course cad bane's alive. Why no, I wouldn't it be um, it would be stupid to see me died from that Meanwhile, all these other characters are surviving what they survived literally I did think um, I thought that was a pretty good live action representation of cad bane That was pretty solid again. It's oftentimes. It's not like they've got the actors.  They're just like not getting it. I don't know what I don't it's not that hard This it doesn't feel like it should be does it? No, it's really not I think when you get Hollywood studios and things like that and these corporate things. I just ends up like that when I look at Lucasfilm now There are a lot of people That we're working there when George was there That never would have done stuff in terms of interacting with fans or pushing stuff like that They never would have done that when George was there because they didn't we saw that it they didn't But for some reason I mean I was like Pablo, right? He's he was there for a long time There's something about the leadership that's there now that enables people to Be maybe who they always really were Um, I think it's just a big problem with leadership and it's run so differently than I think the way George did things Um, George hated Hollywood. George hated the studios. Oh, I know.  There's a long line. Yeah, whatever is what it is Um Well, I guess we should get to reading some soupies. Did you guys want to stay on for that? They usually took kick quite a while It's up to you. Yeah, I'm fine with that. Especially if they're directed in any way to us That could sound for a while. Yeah. Yeah. Okay, cool. Let me uh bring in the boys as well They've been I told them I might have them on today Depends on our conversation goes in there if they're around but come on Um, let me just refresh my whole thing because it's do you guys ever use stream yards? I don't yeah, does it ever lag for you sometimes? Sometimes there's been something weird going on with stream yard and are you on chrome right now? Yep There's been something weird going on stream yard in chrome for the past like week or so I feel like been like a month for me. It'll just yeah Lagging I can't see things it doesn't pop up like Harry hates stream yards right now in terms of function out Some of those are problems with it It's tough to tell when he's complaining about technology if I got him problem or not Even when He's doing good What he read the word cloud is clued He has problems reading I was thinking about when so theory when you sent the tweet out last week, hey Uh, you know Ryan's gonna be on next week and then you tag Gary and a couple other people and you're like, hey Feel free to come on Right and he replies you he's like sorry. I missed this Catch you on the next one And it's like this is for the next one Gary. Like what are you talking about? I know Boomer brains the the cloud clued thing was funny because he called out extra girl for misspelling clouds And she was like yellow ud that he just stared at Clued Uh, yeah, I I found out that I am uh six percent Welsh by the way Don't hold that fenced you I don't know if we've got any superpowers. I hope you do Totally get the criticisms of Dave's story telling But why did some people drag his wife into the mess due to her social media posts?  This is the first I hear this And you see condamn on stuff like that. I completely agree with you. I actually talked about that. There was a lot of uh, what happened? so A lot of people took, you know, Dave's wife's on instagram and I think her and I would not agree on a lot of things like socially or politically Um, but she had some pretty divisive stuff about like abortion and things like that on there And people were like taking screenshots of that and being like This is who Dave Filoni's married and blah blah blah and oh, I was like, listen I have so many things that I can criticize Dave Filoni for when it comes to star wars I don't need to talk about his wife. So it's his wife's name. He and I forget he and Convary I think she's written like one or two episodes of clone wars before Okay um But yeah, I I didn't uh Problem with some of the things people were saying about her Yo, will What up dudes chat welcome will that is not the right microphone. Are you echoing? Me You're echoing hard He sounds cool. He sounds like he's on his webcam microphone. He's got his re-speecher I was doing my Kyla red impressions. It's still bad.  I don't see anything. It's from it was from uh Like a month ago or something. Oh crazy It started going around on twitter people just taking screenshots or whatever Listen, I'm off. We're going after people I've gone after Dave Filoni in terms of like his work or like some of the things he said at women's conferences Or stuff like that a lot Um, I don't need to drag his wife into it. Yeah, you never drag people's family, man You got something to say about them say it about them, but Ryan's been a lot to a lot of women's conferences I'm very familiar with them It's a great place to pick women up Oh damn feel good Filoni over tony killjoy and killjoy Oh Oh, yeah, well, so this is the problem feel good Filoni. I fucking wish I felt good watching this stuff, but I don't I was annoyed I feel I feel like I'm watching a Like a cartoon That just has been turned into live action With none of the heart behind it But with all of the kind of a little bit more maybe juvenile level writing That's how I feel when I'm watching Filoni's live action stuff So me and will we we didn't feel and or that much right will? Uh My co-host Tony is the biggest fan of and or that you could possibly imagine on dark side secrets myself Eh It's fine I I enjoyed it was cool to watch like if I was looking for a series on hbo max To kind of just watch as I'm walking around You guys don't love mason rail Like he's one of my favorite stullest characters of all time now being this he's a very compelling character But I don't know enough about him to be like I love him You know what I mean, I don't like all the the the puppeteering he does all the decisions He has to make especially the whole like sacrificing a whole faction of your team So it looks like you don't know.   This is cool I can't wait to see how each was amazing What did you think about mon mothma like going through all this stuff for like A couple hundred thousand credits or something which seems like She was like nothing Is the credit amounts like change throughout the different shows and movies in terms of what everyone has access to Yeah, they probably should have left out vague in terms of like selling her daughter off That was wild It was like a because it just seemed like not a lot of money I mean in the grand scheme for someone like mon mothma, right I'm sorry to say salty sand man. I think you were like fifth He identifies as first he's got it Call them will be ray shields ray shields wait, we're smarter than this.  Yeah in that book he's um Secrets of the sith that there's this literally a device that like brings back the dent Oh, well, that's how kyla is going to come back then probably my god. I'm drivers never touching this franchise again You kidding me? No, he's seen it way. He's out of there He's he's got that attitude that a couple of actors that have gotten installed have been like, yeah This would be a good idea.  That was a mistake. I'm back to like indie move. I know Did you guys see that uh that most recent clip of adam driver that was going around on twitter?  It was hilarious.    Can you bring can you find that dude? I'll look on twitter. I saw it the other day Yeah Yeah, the guys like the guys like so in this movie the chase scenes are cheesy and the explosions are bad What do you think about that and he goes? I don't know.    What's up, man? Chillin chillin man See you got that shin hottie in the background. Oh, yes Crazy eyes.  Are you is everyone here okay with melvin? Sure. Yeah He's like, it's gonna it's a melvin Or is he just cool? Oh, you'll find out I will have to see melvin and mauler interact I put that adam driver clip in the chat the private chat for us while I just sent him the link so The only good part of isoka was hayden christensen fighting years later He's still fast as ever a soaker herself looks slown and confident But by comparison, you know, you can't have her out do the master I mean to to be a little more mean to her like I thought she was looking pretty awkward and slow in the early before Hayden even entered the show Well, for sure. I mean she's not going to be Again, it comes down to the instructions. I think you know, whoever they have for choreography bless their hearts But you know, you can't have the standard of the prequel trilogy choreography and then anything but that Did you guys watch a lot of the bts stuff when you have the choreography characters? Some of it, uh, like especially for the world world between worlds episode. Yeah the sabine stuff that I forget her name the actress who plays sabine posted it's a show something whatever it is. Um The behind the scene stuff looked a lot more intriguing than what we actually saw in the show Like on her instagram and all that like it was so much. It was a whole lot faster. It was moving quickly It looked to me it was like, why don't we just see this? Yeah, whatever the big thing you lose from Filming to the final product oftentimes with disney star was just clarity I don't know what they do when they chew up all of the scenes and like harsh edits and cuts But it's like see like you just said you see some of the behind-the-scenes stuff Looks so bad. Yeah Was there choreography better in mando? I can't really remember.  So like you got lightsabers. You've already won She's not gonna. Yes. The matter. You can block them. It's the you understand what i'm saying, right? You can always angle the lightsabers when you lock so she's just dead. There's nothing she's doing about that It should have and she you know can use the force that too I you know, I don't know why that didn't come up in that fight. Well, she doesn't want to win it honorably. She can use magic We didn't we didn't speak but we didn't know that or see any of that there I know what you know, so i'm saying like nobody even used any abilities or powers It's like why are you guys it's like it's like dragon ball. It's like 50 episodes and then it's like I'm now going to use half my power I'm at 50 another 50 episodes. I'm now going to use 75. I've been holding back Okay, let's go and then it's another like four seasons A lot of us as uh choreography for that too She was like just popping around the woods and they they hit it in smoke and fog and stuff for that beginning scene So you really didn't see her. It was cool. But like It was you didn't really see her too much. It was just Away, it was kind of like uh woods. Yeah, the Kenobi, uh, like what they did for force unleashed Why was genus firing more public than rape parks if you indeed even got fired that is Ah It was like obviously it blew up on social media. Uh, they specifically did it to Um, in my opinion satisfy a lot of the activists that are like within lucasfilm They wanted to shame her they wanted to embarrass her.  Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean like also, you know Gina's and the active production of a major popular show rape park wasn't Really, it's not like we have like a Darth Maul show. Yeah, wasn't she getting her own show Gina potentially? Like the rangers of the republic. Yeah Also, rape park didn't get cancelled. He Posted something that you know objectively you shouldn't really post No, um or or got hacked. Whatever the whatever the whatever happened Um, I believe in rape park. I trust him. I believe in rape park too. Me too.  It happens sort of Who cares?  Hey, how's it going like? Oh, yeah, what was your favorite part of the phantom minutes? Well, okay.  I don't care what he posts on instagram. I don't care dude. He's a good guy He's a good guy.   Oh my god, literally bro. Uh, I think The person to probably buy star wars next is the the real most realistic is apple I don't think disney's I don't think disney's selling star wars um Is as much as we've seen like the struggles and stuff like that At the end of the day simply having the rights To the six original movies with distribution rights merchandising rights Simply that is such like a windfall and I just I have a really hard time seeing them selling this ip that has that much future potential earnings Well, I think bob auger just said in a article I think recently like last week or something Uh, or even less than that. He said that we're not going to pawn off our major Yeah, he's like marvel or star wars So it's insane. We're in a timeline where he has to like acknowledge whether or not disney going to start selling their assets like holy shit, like yeah and It's crazy because you you you sort of certainly I do like passing through a lot of communities at once in terms of fandoms and stuff And it's like you see you hear the same thing across so many of us like oh star wars like we you know It's drought it needs some help, but it's like you look over at marvel It's like they do it way worse in a way that it's like look over at everywhere. Indiana jones, man. We just Poor Indiana Jones fans It's so over. You know, I didn't even see it. What's going on with marvel right now Mom's disaster man. Absolutely destroyed. Hey, so falling apart man So there's been a lot of over the past couple weeks. There's been a lot of stuff That's finally come out about stuff going on behind the scenes The blade movie has it's like third director and fifth writer It is getting completely rebuilt from the ground up after they decided that the thing a blade movie needed to be about Was three women learning life lessons and marasha Ali was the fourth lead in his own movie ridiculous yes, um captain america 4 which used to be called New world order until they realized it might be a little too on the nose and they shifted that to brave new world um That which finished filming in june Has just been delayed till february of 2025 because they need to do five months worth of reshoots on it after it or test screenings yeah That sounds like a disaster The marvels is the worst box office flop for them in history. Yeah, it's a it signifies like a really big I kind of see like captain marvel to the marvels as What's the this big story in there that's going to be talked about You know decades from now more than likely because they were a juggernaut and they absolutely killed themselves Four years they went from being Well, like the dining movie industry, you know trophy on the hill To the point where they're in the character and no one respects them and everyone's embarrassed to be a part of them It's like yeah, how did you do that? I know um, I think about so much content on disney plus in these streaming series and it's like Uh Not a lot of it has been very very bad I've seen a lot of praise out there for loki finale mauler. Have you seen a lot of that out there? I'm What sorry about the finale is for No, even in my own uh community.  I feel bad for him when he was um You're supposed to portray like all these different emotional states You're supposed to try and sell to the audience that kang is this horrifying villain that we have to stop Otherwise, it's all over.    Yeah, and then like he's because he's green Wanda will become the reality. So it was like stop We're just matching colors at this point Yeah, literally Thanos is going to be revived and be the power stone Like these are the new theories that are out there, but then just A little a couple hours ago a new report came out that there's internally They do think they're going to move on from jonathan majors as kang and instead Potentially focus on something else or maybe just cut the kang and i to see out all together doom Please be doom. Please be doom like we're at a point. But here's the thing though as bad as all the news is There is a positive about it, which is they are finally they have finally realized that they need to change Yeah They haven't been listening to us for a long time the mainstream hasn't been listening to these complaints that we've had out there About what's going on in the mcu for one reason or another But now no one can ignore it and marvel internally is in full panic mode. They're ripping stuff up They're starting from scratch. They're changing everything because they've they've failed Will it be good? I I have my doubts what they do change it, but at least they know there's a problem You know, we end up having discussions on like who would you like to see introduced? Would it be doom? Would it be galactus? Would it be mafesta?   It's like no, I know Yeah, that's yeah, I know but I'm with you guys. I want to see an awesome doctor doom I want to see him intimidate and I want to see him be cast and what do you think about a dead pool three? That's getting reshots as well. Isn't it? Yeah, I don't think it's been it's just not done shooting yet.  I'm assuming you guys don't do or don't know but like X-Men origins wolverine that film was killed by the 2008 riot strike, right?  Oh, that's the one where he goes to tokyo. Yeah. Yeah.  Um I I just think the idea of Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman back and there's gonna be cameos galore I think it is gonna like bring people back to the theater just interest level because those they'd like those actors Yeah, I have no idea what it's gonna do what they should do is go full on Deadpool Deadpool kills the mcu and Just like in the comic books that go Deadpool kills the Marvel universe go through Do it in a funny way a jokey way make fun of yourselves make fun of how stupid the multi versus become make fun all the mistakes you've made and Erase it from history and start fresh Use Deadpool to introduce at the end of Deadpool 3 just have an already established x-men unit already established fantastic four unit And you boot the mcu. That's what they should do to be honest It's so funny too because if you said yeah, and I assume ryan you're on the board with this But like, you know, what's the solution for malice like clean house get them all out Same thing as tall as get them all out reset Right from the foundation.    What's going wrong and in she Hulk? There's like a meta reference to how perfect heaven foggy's formula is And it's like, yeah Really? Yeah, I didn't really pay attention much. I just tried to see the Hulk scenes, but that was it. I guess I'm just sexy Yeah, see the whole See watch a three minute recap. Yeah Yeah, and then yeah, and then I just stopped watching and I saw what they did to his son Yeah Whoever lined that dude up is gonna lose his job green chatting Baller you made a good point something something's happening right now I'm not the Jedi I should be I want more And I know I shouldn't Hello, dear. This is dark melvin leader of the knights of melvin What up guys? What's going on?  We know who's behind it We know what they're doing. This is the most toxic stream in history We just need jeremy gary. We need uh j I don't know who else j you think jay's toxic Isn't he known as like the toxic guy We drink three of these friends of jena My jay is like uh All the all the crybaby shills. They say jay is like the the lightest one of geeks and gamers Yeah, he's the nicest one. He's the least bad. Who's seen as the worst Surely jeremy, right? Oh gary. Probably me I'd say Oh, jeremy takes the mantle. Okay.  Yeah, I don't know I think jeremy used to but I think gary's often seen as like the Ringleader evilman sort of thing Yeah, he's got like 900,000 subs or whatever I have like like from that side of like people that are just perceived as toxic I feel like there's a lot of people that don't like me Oh, yeah, you're you're definitely hate. I said to theory that like you're getting trouble for talking to me and these I'm talking to ryan is like, oh, okay. It's fine To be fdm Whereas like after the shoes like you're gonna get a lot of trouble.  I don't want those people. I don't want my content to show up on their timelines. I don't I had a much better time making youtube videos when I was at like 500,000 to Actually even even 250,000 to a million subs. That was like the sweet spot.   It's just two people talking Yeah, I know it's unfortunate, but you know this long in the game that I've been in Man, I don't care anymore about followers and viewers I like lose them all As long as I got my core audience, it doesn't matter, you know The people who like I really care about and that have got me this far is that's great But the stragglers that want to judge me on this and that or judge you guys or whatever Don't need them just like in life. So Yeah, I think the reality is in our current space of entertaining across the board When people have so many different options so many for youtube channels are scrolling through tiktok or instagram podcasts, whatever People are really just looking for authenticity Yeah, right They just want someone who's going to be real with them and tell the truth And you might be more partial to maybe someone who's a little rough around the edges might swear Might you know, whatever Or you might be used to maybe you were looking for somebody who's a little bit more positive about each and everything Regardless, everyone's going to find their space. Not everybody needs to be alike Not everybody needs to have the same opinion Not everybody needs to think the same way about a piece of material and it's okay to say you don't like something At the end of the day, everyone should just be honest about how they feel about something and not feel compelled to Oh cushion this or cushion that because of how other people might feel about it The other day if everyone's just honest about how they actually feel about something The the content we get I think will be better because I'll have people's actual opinions to use as feedback instead of the Kind of the the stuff that you see from some people who might be too scared to go one way or the other some people are Things You know what what we're scared to like things because they might be in a community where They don't like that thing and they're scared to put out their real opinion Well, it's no different than like high school or whatever. It's like, I can't like that It's not cool Like I remember star wars wasn't cool when I was growing up dragon balls He was not cool when I was growing up but Like the guys that go to parties and stuff in the 90s 2000s They're not talking about star wars like that would be you know the dudes in the comic shop Or the guys who don't get invited to the parties that talk about it But now it's like, you know so much more mainstream or whatever But you always have to just be true and I think that you know today's world where everything is just so fake and plastic It's just really refreshing to talk to people that don't give a fuck about the narrative And aren't going to put a goddamn muzzle on themselves and pander to one side or the other so that they can make a buck And that's why I'm spending my time with you guys because you guys are real And I think a lot of people in chat notice that and recognize that and If they don't then those aren't the really the people that I care about. So It's all good in the hood, baby. All right, let's do it best dollars movie. What is it? revenge of the sith Well favorite is revenge of the sith best is empire My favorite best would be empire I'm revenge of the sith all day empire Empire is the best but return of the jedi is my favorite.  Yeah, nub nub commander A return of the jedi is sick return of the jedi I would say is I always fluctuate between revenge and return of the jedi. Yep Return of the jedi is my second favorite for sure You'll see that the shills they always shit on the prequels and they'll always like give the originals some respect But the one movie they shit on Is return of the jedi Really why never saw this They didn't even talk about the age fans I feel like people don't talk about the original so much at all Uh, right. Well, they'll say like empire new hope is good, but return of the jedi that's low on the rankings It you know, I have watched Uh The stars movie I've watched more than any other is attack of the clones Yeah, I watched that more times and I think it's probably because how old I was when it came out how much I watched when I was a kid Uh, I I watched every single behind the scenes thing and deleted scene for that like over and over and over and over again But I've seen attack of the clones more times in any other star wars movie, which is weird I think uh Think about how excited you were for episode three. I mean that plays a part in it. Do I still remember the trailer? It was on like a disc I got a magazine. That's the first time I saw it.  There were so much story. There was so much building Uh worlds and the jedi and the clonors and everything in there but people just like Skip it because like Dude Oh, dude, when I come across people will like, okay, the sequels might be bad, but they're not prequels bad. I'm like, what are you talking about? Yeah, yeah, that's crazy I think uh, the the one that I've seen the most Is a new hope and hot take I like a new hope better than empire But I think that's because I grew up just watching it like crazy Like I had it on vhs in the early 90s and I would just watch it over and over and it just that's what got me hooked It's perfect because it's just like one encapsulated story, right? That it would have ended there and we never got anything else like you could still just watch that and like be happy for forever Yeah, you're fine Do you even need it exactly?  I was like, oh, I was so interested to think about all the stuff He says about the force and then you know luke invader and best bid I got that um the visuals of that all of that lives in my head forever. It's just The uh the smoke and the this is why by the way, I'm annoyed at like how many times they've used smoke To generate visuals that are like super impressive in the latest stuff because I'm just like Oh, man, I feel like you're dampening every time you bring it up now Like every it's the reason every single time a jedi user or any kind of light saber user of any significance comes in There's always smoke surrounding them now It's like, yeah, I mean it looks real good, you know Is he gonna deny that It was pretty smoky. I guess when luke came in mando season two was hella smoky Yeah, I probably have seen this but at least the robots getting destroyed would lead to some smoke You know, I can like walk through a halloween party right before or something Halloween horror nights Yeah I'm hoping next year for the 25th anniversary of phantom minutes that they put it back in theaters Yep, I would kill to see it in i max and hear duel of the fates on those crazy sound systems That just would be amazing next year if they do that Okay Like it reviews What I think they're funny. Um, and I think there's some points they bring up that are valid I disagree with a lot of them, but I like red letter media. I watch almost everything they put out and I think I probably agree with half their takes Um, but I think they're really good at making making videos on shit If that makes sense, I can appreciate it even if I disagree with their take on the movie I usually start with saying I find them incredibly entertaining Red light media as for whether or not I agree with them on film is like, yeah, it can be 50-50 We covered on eFab their revenge of the Sith video and we disagreed with a shit ton of what What he said But like those videos were so influential to like not only people starting up doing reviews in general But also like the perception of the prequels on the internet To be referenced and shared a lot by a lot of people and it's just interesting to think about in retrospect because The prequels then recovered with like their meme phase For internet stuff and at this point now Whenever you talk to any Star Wars fan, you don't know what you're gonna get. They might hate the prequels.  You're just For the memes. Yeah, you just saw a meme pop up once in a while on instagram.  Yeah waving. Yeah The vines used to go around and I like those Decade ago. I mean how many people Mustafar battled Like the right before the you will try like that whole People will recite that or like it comes down to the meme of like if your girl knows how to recite this with you Then she's a real one and then it'll just be that dialogue I think that yeah The funniest copes from all this is the the prequel status that they have that the sequels will get there one day like No, they won't that it happens.  Nobody cares.  In between episode eight and nine like the two worst Like movies it blows my mind because if that if that experience would have been like prequels or ot I would have spent that crazy money.  It looked like fifth element It's just wild how like how inclusive disney claims to be but they alienate Six whole movies worth of fans in their park experiences. Yeah, you know what they can do man They just got to make a statement and they be like, hey look We know that we've made some pretty bold decisions. We've divided a lot of the fandom We're not saying that we agree or we disagree but we recognize and we want to make it right So our next projects are going to be focused on uniting the fandom blah blah blah and bringing all Dude, that's all you got to do. That's all you have to do instead of ignoring every all the people on the other side Which we know which side they really really like cater to Okay, like the person running the twitter for star wars is probably some like 17 year old with blue hair. I bet They just it's not it's not the same company anymore. She's a chiss. Yeah, what if I was to tell you it's like a 40 year old dude who just kind of Likes that kind of culture with blue I wouldn't believe you I think that the idea of them something, you know, I've heard some things Uh, I so anyway, I think that when it comes to like the idea of them putting out a statement like that I think that's there's no way but if they do it through their content Then I think that's That's a reasonable expectation if they start putting stuff together like that um, I think The galactic star cruise hotel Failed on a lot of levels including the way they made it.  Yeah, just do a normal ass hotel Make three different wings of the hotel prequels sequels ot each floor can be a different planet themed a different way You don't you don't have to like reinvent the hotel space like just do do it So when people stay there they're surrounded by star wars stuff That's all they want and maybe have a couple little of these games in different places throughout the hotel But just theme everything star wars in the same way all the other hotels are themed like pixar or animation or whatever People would eat that up. They'd make a crap ton of money But they wanted to know if you did have a prequel sequel ot section like the sequel or just gives bailey any book You should have been able to pick your path of like you live in the ot you live in the prequels Or you live in the sequels and let the people paying for it decide where they want to go Exactly that way too like it gets exclusive of the consumer of like okay If you pick sequels you have to stay in sequels and that means you can't go prequels or ot or if you go ot You can't go sequels or prequels So then the people come back and they pay to get those different experiences every time But instead you just see ray with an inflatable lightsaber Aren't they changing that to a marvel edge was a good idea What that should be fired. Yeah, well they're changing it to a marvel thing now, aren't they? I heard that river. Yeah cruiser hotel or something like that A marvel cruiser hotel. Oh my god, they linked the park with the hotel like this is a big major plan um for this super chat For this super chat the cloners micro series so the 2003 again each krakowski clone war series. Yeah, it's amazing I love the there's a lot of stuff from george around that time too talking about it How they designed it to specifically lead right in a wrench of the sip Yeah, they show how grievous got his cough from mace windu kind of crushing him Uh, they show all the stuff with shock tea They they show why grievous is like intimidating and should be feared Which I feel like he lost out a lot on that in 2008 tc w Where he just kind of turns into another Saturday morning cartoon character that they escape from constantly The way windu was in that show is my favorite interpretation of mace windu. Like that's the best He's like just beating the battle droids with this. He's just punching It's the best. He's flying all over the place with all the battle droids. It's the best and you get to see anakin You get to see anakin actually go through his journey to knighthood. You see him pass his trial. Um, like That is it's a small tide. It's only a couple hours to watch the entire thing But it to me it's a perfect connection for episodes two and three That lightsaber battle between ventris and anakin is one of my favorite lightsaber battles in star wars Like with the the raindrops hitting the lightsaber and the lightning and everything dude. It's awesome. That's best Yeah, I made sure to put that in vader episode three Hell, yeah That was like one of the things that's because there's a part where they all start fighting and there's this Massive opening in the catacombs.  Nice Oh, yeah badass Raina soka are living each other's shadows at some point. Disney has to decide who is going to replace luke's Kind of funny to think about It is actually hey like yeah Bro when feloni like the day after rise of sky walker came out and feloni post that picture of gandalf and asoka and it's like Some people thought I was dead once too because her voice was at the end of rise of sky walker I want to throw up on my mouth um Yeah, I don't know anybody talked to one another for that Like like jj didn't talk to anyone.  I don't really understand. It's like I just watched the season seven finale of flash Balling my eyes out. Oh my god.  It's the best thing to ever happen to me Oh my god, my life's complete Like what about the flash ryan? The cw series Well, he was actually involved with cw. I just made that up that part. Okay Um, I would not be surprised if you found that out But he was actually doing like after the show shows for cw uh air over stuff during that time too But yeah, like everything seemingly he has supposed to picture and cry about Rogue one created a Plot hole for a new hope because vader's interrogation with leo now looks dumb As fucked because he literally watched the plans get transferred onto her ship It's um, yeah, it's not clean I would also I would also argue even Even vader being able to move the way he does just you know Days before we see the way he moves in the fight with obi-wan I would also say the idea that vader didn't just force grab the plans Yep Is I think really supposed to buy that he doesn't see it. He's just killing everyone I think he purposefully let it go because he doesn't want he doesn't like the death star because he felt Intimidated by it because the emperor Liked it. He thought he wanted to be the main power in the galaxy Not a super weapon Don't be so sure of this technological quite a theory instructed.   What do you do? What do you mean? Bloody wall so when I interviewed gary witta who wrote the screenplay Uh, he actually had vader show up on Scarra on the ground.  Yeah vader on south beach.  I gotta get rid of all of disney canon wipe it clean Speaking of philoni like A lot of people think that it started with disney ruining star wars.  That's right. We were just talking about the micro series like after that fight with ventris and passing his trial. Yeah and so He's knighted about like two and a half years after attack of the clones According to tcw.  They're giving him an apprentice Doesn't make much sense And the people over at wukapedia.  So I mean the canon like really reset with him I Think he's all we got man. I think we got to keep him. I think he's all we got so it's like that's why I say like You know, we got to get further like no no disney canon. No tcw. Yeah, just go like I would rather And I mean there were some projects after 2008 where it gets complicated because they got a they got to respect tcw is the canon When that's not really the truth the Multimedia project is the true canon It was a shock to the the system when they did tcw and a lot of things started changing There's a lot of authors and people that were Like keepers of the holocronism I got that really had to do a lot of shifting to try to justify some of it There was actually one super interesting explanation. I think in a west end games uh In a west end games journal or something where They viewed tcw as war propaganda from the republic And so that's how they explained away some of the inconsistencies because they pushed it as like war propaganda And if you think of like the way it opens war our heroes are you know what I mean? It's like kind of those old videos that you'd get during wartime So that's how they kind of try to portray which I thought was an interesting way To try to explain some of like the real key core differences between what they decided to do with it Interesting at least So the the really other time that there's a big shift in what people had to do to adjust for canon was when the prequels came along because Up until that point like the bantam novel era um, george Had told people And he he had his plan for the prequels obviously, but he shifted some things around in terms of maybe how old Anakin was going to be the time period that went between original trilogy when the clone wars happened So he told people stay away from these era stay away from these things And then when he eventually did the prequels obviously he picked a lot of stuff He liked from it and he also did some stuff differently But the timelines ended up having to shift a lot for things that had been written before when they referenced the clone wars happening Like 50 years prior because that was the original timeline george had kind of set out is interesting Yeah, there's definitely a lot of inconsistencies, but it's the thing is like we don't have george anymore and Dave is it still has like a he's I think he still calls george.  Oh my god.  Let's just focus.  I didn't even think of that. What if it's ray? Oh my god training fin Because they do all those training. Okay, then then i'm done tells the new jedi order.   It's like maybe Maybe it won't be addressed in felonies movie because how many years is that before the sequel trilogy? But it's like yeah people just kind of like shut down when they hear ray But they should be shutting down when they hear this is so the bullshit and Oh nando season three I think like to me The way I feel is that if the star wars we're going to get is going to be like it has been I would rather than not put anything out. Yeah, I would rather it they'd stop publishing star wars to the end of time Then continue it to do what I view is like damage to the brand damage to the property The situation we got forced into there are a lot of people settle for is like well We're not getting tlj level of shit. We're getting like a soca levels and it's like I don't want either of them man. I want I want something way way way better something that rises well above the line because I know there there are people here who consider at least the first maybe half of a soca to be strong enough to keep but like I don't know. I kind of hated the whole season just I I did too. I I I was trying to Justify things in my head not justify but like trying to give benefit the doubt And I did a lot of these things I was like well, maybe they might be doing this And maybe they might explain this and why he didn't why you didn't kill Ezra Maybe they'll explain that next episode. Those are the type of like things I was doing To try to like have some good will We don't like but like to me if if Dave Filoni is the tallest midget in the building That's not good enough. You know, um episode one, right?  I need to like refresh myself What was this? What was this map? And it's like was a conversation She had with Morgan who directed her to this planet with the map that's going to have the coordinates to the galaxy that Burgles die Which is very likely where they were taken when Ezra I guess activated them. It's like, okay. There's a couple of stretches in there But one of the main things is why did Morgan tell the truth? Why wouldn't she've just told a soca? Oh, it's on planet flim flam. Definitely a hundred percent. Yep Or it is and then secondly even if she did tell her the truth a soca didn't go there straight away We know that So had anyone else gone there bad guy affiliated then they could have gotten the map before a soca did and then I was like Wait, is it a bad guy map or a good guy map or a neutral map? Why is it in like a zelda temple? Who put it there? How did the pergola make that with his fins?  Like that's literally a new hope Yeah, and you even get the the chase sequence with the with the fighter Um, we obviously got very like direct callbacks to phantom menace with shin Um, was it the opening episode or the second episode you guys know what i'm talking about It might have been the second one. Yeah, like dark mall. It's right before she goes to kill sabine the tracker and everything Yeah, oh man. My uh, my memories again.  Let him board I know I know Just let him on But again, it was to I think remind you of phantom menace, right? I think they were like Like for sure. I think there were some of that that was cool, but We just watched two false jedi.   It's all on camera years.  Oh, I can't call this person. Are you kidding me?   We know where he is. I don't know Does he care right? Is he secretly I don't know what they do they just get in touch with the player I want to know what balan skull's plan was in the first episode He sent so be or he sent shin To get the map from asoka Or he sent her to to uh sabine to get the map Hmm but Like like how does that going to work out for them like it worked out in the show But i'm like wondering like what balan was thinking like how is he going to get the map? Yeah, because if asoka was there at the time I didn't want to just ran off I guess But like how does he know that sabine was going to steal the map and then just be like by herself for like a few minutes Slice and dice or not slice and reva her Takes the map because if like she can't handle asoka on her own Definitely can't handle her if uh ray 2.0 is with her. Yeah, so i'm just like wondering like what his plan was If she gets a hold it she gets a hold of sabine like I could see that But what if she doesn't have the map on her? So they got to lure asoka to them Which she can't handle asoka or is she gonna like take sabine back to balans skull And then asoka is going to come to them like he like just said like a couple word store and she left There wasn't much communication there, you know, I blame dave feloni for that Yeah, because what you're describing I feel like what i'm describing whatever one's talking about here is like the minutia of Details that connect everything together and I like I have no faith in feloni's ability to tell stories like this. I see Breaks everywhere loads of these pieces where I'm like, why did that happen?  So sabine like did the move disarmed her, you know, it's good move But like she runs away from her then and I was wondering like watching like uh, did she get her lightsaber? And