What is going on guys welcome back to the channel critical overlord here? I'm literally running out of ideas when it comes to Jeepers Creepers So if you guys have anything you want me to talk about regarding this franchise any further Just go ahead and like leave suggestions down in the comment section. I'm honestly becoming I'm running drive my well of things to put out with this franchise, and I love it But getting into what I wanted to talk about as you saw in the thumbnail We're gonna talk today about what we possibly could have gotten had Gina Phillips and Justin long Not had landed the roles of Tricia and Dairy Jenner from the original Jeepers Creepers movie And we know Justin long had a brief couple of cameos He had a he basically was a glorified cameo in Jeepers Creepers 2 and we know we were supposed to have Gina Phillips back at the full front of the series in Jeepers Creepers 3 when it was titled Cathedral when we were supposed to get the movie We still are waiting for that's now been shifted to part 4 if it ever happens But she was a glorified cameo in Jeepers Creepers 3 too. I just wanted us to take a moment and recognize that isn't it quite odd I just noticed that our two leads from the first movie who are our focus of the franchise or of that story The sequels that we got They have been nothing but cameos in them at least they've been in them But they've been glorified cameos at best So I hope something happens and we get to see Gina Phillips in the focus of the story again with this thing But yes MGM apparently who we know is responsible for distributing and handling the first Jeepers Creepers film They wanted to have more like notable names at the time in 2001 when this project was still being Developed and honest and not even 2000 when that's when that's when the movie come out This would have been like around the late 90s mid 2000 the year 2000 as we know the movie was shot before 2001 of course They wanted more notable names, but Gina Phillips and Justin long I'm pretty sure all of us have seen the audition tapes of them Along with the Jonathan Brecks that are online for you to view in their entirety Some might be cropped cropped to fit certain certain aspects of a scene that many people have uploaded just to focus on that But they from their audition tapes and us growing up with its franchise I don't think any of us can see anyone else in these roles Trisha and Daria are Gina and Justin long That's that's their role. That's these are their characters it's like having screen 5 and We're gonna take Sydney Prescott, but she's gonna be portrayed by somebody else now Like a lot of us can't you can't see that in our heads That's that's not gonna sit well with not only myself, but I know a lot of you guys as well and to hear this Now all these years later. This isn't even new news I'm pretty sure a lot of you probably already knew this if you haven't this is new news to you as well I was just going through the trivia page of IMDb where I came across this MGM apparently wanted to have more notable names and The reason why we didn't get that is because Victor Savel who was pushing for him pushing for his two leads to stay put He had the assist by someone who had more control more of a leverage his his mentor Francis Ford Coppola Francis Ford Coppola went to bat for Gina and Justin and that's why they ultimately it seems like I guess That's why they stuck to those two actors because MGM had it not have been for Francis Ford Coppola We might not have gotten these two in these roles and I'm sitting here trying to think well Who else could have played these characters had Victor Savelas? Choices his intended choice has not have been able to get the role and the only two people I can think of is of course going to be I Can't think of like Kate Winslet maybe from Titanic and maybe getting her back together with like Leonardo DiCaprio And then we could have had I don't know. Let's say possibly the Jada Pink and Smith and maybe will Smith if they wanted to explore that route to have like an interracial lead We could have also had Drew Barrymore and some other actor It's just like trying to embody who else could have been in that role to play Gene to play Trisha and Dairy at this point in the game It's kind of impossible because they are those roles. They are Trisha and they are Dairy So I don't see how that would have come across. Well nowadays just trying to envision that in my head All I see is Gina and Justin long. So I don't really see how That I know for a fact it would just be something weird to witness because those roles belong to those two actors And I can't really think of who else could have done it better because it's been so long This movie is almost 20 years old to now find this out and consider what we could have gotten Maybe we've kind of got like Charlize Theron as Trisha and then some other actor. Maybe we've couldn't got an Angelina Jolie and Brad Smith I'm just trying to think of all of these different things or Brad Pitt Brad Pitt. I mean, I'm thinking about mr. And Mrs. Smith I'm trying to think about all these other options that could have been available for MGM or who MGM might have wanted to cast or who could have actually landed in these roles because what I would love to find out is that Other big-name actors and actresses did audition, but they went with these no names Well, Justin wasn't a no-name and Gina. I believe had done like one prior thing Justin I believe had done just like some some minor role that attracted Victor to him Victor saw him in some type of I think it was it was either a TV series or another film I don't know the name of it is off the top of my head, but that's what attracted Victor to Justin and You know, that's just the charm they give off from their audition tapes. I can see why Victor Would want to go with them that the same time. I Am now curious what could have been what could we have gotten out of two big name two big name actors or actresses We've could have gotten so many different things I'm sitting here thinking of all these different routes. We could have gone all these different actors and actresses that could have been I'd love to find out that again that many people auditioned but they ultimately got Justin and Gina, of course, I don't know anyone else who auditioned for Jeeperscreepers I can't think of anyone else who I know who has auditioned for Jeeperscreepers I know Ray wise and Jeeperscreepers 2 his character wasn't supposed to be portrayed by Ray wise That was supposed to be for another actor. I believe couldn't couldn't commit to the project But that was just an interesting tidbit that I saw on IMDB and I wanted to come talk about it See what you guys possibly thought of this. It's just very very odd to me because I don't I couldn't see this happening I couldn't see this happening whatsoever to sit down and have a Jeeperscreepers movie without Gina or Justin that just would not it just sounds so odd because it's been so long since that first film came out and To know that we almost didn't get them That's kind of making me more thankful that we got what we got because who knows what could have been and it's just fun to sit down and think about all these different options that were available, but they chose to go with these two smaller-time actor actors Just for whatever reason because when I'm looking at their audition tapes They and this is mostly just because I've seen the film before I've seen these audition tapes We as the fans, we're not gonna associate these characters with anyone but Gina and Justin So I'm glad we got what we got but who could have portrayed Jean who could have betrayed Trisha and who could have portrayed Dairy who could have betrayed these two characters? I'm I'm leaning towards us possibly getting Angelina Jolie and then I Know why I just feel like we could have gotten Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt I feel like they probably would have been the ones to start a Jeepers creepers movie. That's just me if not them Definitely could have seen I'm actually not thinking about from bird box her Sandra Bullock in a Jeepers creepers movie imagine that Sandra Bullock in a Jeepers creepers movie as Trisha Actually I'm senior think about it. I probably would have been more Accepting of that then Angelina Jolie. I'm trying to think of who could have given off that Atrisha vibe who could I see as Trisha and Angelina Jolie? Doesn't really do it for me Sandra Bullock though and the rain she has as an actress I could see her filling fitting this role. I could see her pulling it off. I don't know who would have played dairy alongside of Sandra Bullock, but I could see her fulfilling the role I just that's me going off on a tangent right there But let me know what you guys think about this in the comment section, of course had we not have gotten Gina and Justin who are at this point in their careers. I feel like they're they're synonymous with this ranch I feel like this is Gina's because I know Justin's career took off from this Gina has kind of been in just more smaller projects since this original hit she hasn't really done much and I think her most recent hit Is the camille she had from the original Jeepers Creepers. So who do you guys think could have been in these roles? Who could have who could have done it justice had we not have gotten Gina and Justin who do you guys think could have fulfilled the roles and are you glad we got a certain you're glad we got what we got But who who else could have fulfilled these roles who could have lived up to what we know We have already who could you see doing a better job if not on the same part? As Gina and Justin as Trisha and Dary and I'm glad Francis or Coppola did what he did Probably probably end up getting the better film for it But again, let me know what you guys think about all this down in the comment section below If you haven't already may she subscribe turn on post notifications Say never miss a video in the description. 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Sounds good. All right. So I see Alha, Chris, Dan, Hart, and Nathan. Any of the other TSC members joined yet? Hi, Todd. This is Greg. Can you hear me? Hey, Greg. Welcome. Hi, sir. I was struggling with the new mute. No worries. And it looks like mix here now as well. So we are at quorum. Awesome. Okay. Morning, everybody. Good afternoon. Good evening, wherever you are. Okay, so for today's agenda, we have our usual discussion of the upcoming hack fest. Hopefully that can be brief. A reminder about the internship program. Actually, can we, we will move the discussion of leaving incubation to the end. Okay. So we have some inquiry updates from requirements, and then from cello. We have project proposal renewal from caliper as recommended from the out of the performance and scaling working group. So we can finalize our discussion about whether or not you need to be out of incubate, pardon me, out of incubation before you hit 1.0. So any other items for the agenda, it looks pretty packed. Okay. So just very briefly in terms of the hack fest planning, I think there's a question about whether or not we want to have a hack fest pride at Amsterdam and I just don't see how we can squeeze one in at this point. Todd, do we have any even any offers. No, before we did that, I think we wanted to see if there was a hunger for it. Yeah. I just think quarterly, you know, this is sort of the direction we were heading in there. And we had our first quarter and technically June is still second quarter so I think we should stick with that. Okay. And then just a reminder again the registration is up for June in Amsterdam hosted by our friends at ABNN row.  The internship program is up and accepting applications so you know we've got some really good proposals out there so if you know of any student interns that would like to work with us this summer please get those up and get them to register. Okay. Quarterly update so requirements. What do we have on to do the requirements work group? Should be Clive I believe right Tracy. That's right. Okay so I'm not hearing anything so let's do then cellos. I think Tong is on. Let's do cello first and give Clive if he comes on. Thanks Chris. Yeah, I assume you guys have the link right you can open up should I share my screen instead. The link is in the rocket chat. Right right I mean everybody else can just go ahead click on that link and so you can see the cello project update page. I'll go over this very quickly. So cello project is very the community is very active. Things mostly happen on the rocket chat cello channel. We normally have a lot of questions. Ask how to use the project. Sometimes we have some generic questions regarding fabric as well. I think the maintainers normally respond to those questions very quickly. So that's that's good thing. We also use the channel to discuss new ideas features. So that we can gather some of the requirements or new work items for the project. So we started to have this weekly Friday meeting last week. We feel that it's important to have the cello channel on rocket chat. Also important to actually have, you know, voice conversation. So maintainers and whoever interested in cello can get on the Friday weekly call. So we can hear each other's voice and discuss stuff for the project. Most of the patch set gets reviewed within 24 hours. So we responded to those parts that quickly. That's a good thing. So in terms of issues, we don't have any urgent issues from the project point of view. We are planning to have some kind of like a test test net for the fabric. If the foundation can provide some machines for us. That would be nice. We can set up an older system than other parties can join. So this is more like the playground. So people can start sort of see how things work. New features can be presented. So that's what I'm thinking. If Linux foundation can provide some public facing machines, that would be very nice. So that's sort of like a request. If you want to do that, just use the info channel. And Ryan, Jessica and others will help out. Okay. I'll try that. Thanks. We had the two releases already. We're planning to do the 0.8.0. As soon as fabric get released, we'll release our own as well. Overall activities, I think I pretty much addressed that already. Current plan, ensure the release of 0.8.0. So after this release, we'll plan to integrate fabric composer to a cello. So the idea is that after you run the command, you set up the fabric network. You also have the composer ready to go. So user can basically use the browser to hit the composer start to develop their own business networks. So that's the idea.  So that probably a pretty big item for cello. We also wanted to create some video to help users to understand the project. So we plan to have a little mini series from the like a very basic idea what cello does to some advanced features. We also wanted to update some document so the user can get a user, have a user time to start using the project. We have currently three maintainers to from IBM one from Oracle. So we can cover both North America and either specific areas. We basically practice the common, you know, rules for the open source community. The people contribute most will be nominated as maintainer answer most of the questions we review most of the past set will get nominated. Currently we have 25 contributors. We in the last from last December, I think we have total of 62% merged. That's, I mean I consider that pretty active. So, a lot of cello developers also participate in the local meetup and other events such as a hack fast to promote the project. And help people to use fabric. So, yeah, I think that's the updates I wanted to give to you guys questions. Thanks Tom. Any questions for Tom comments concerns. Yeah, this is Brian Bellendorf. It's great to hear that there were 25 other contributors that you could point to. What do you think we could do to encourage them to be even more active in the project. Well, I think if you users have have more interest in the fabric product, the ego probably come to the channel more often. We have more features we want to add. I think people will contribute. Well, Brian, this is about I think you have a purpose though very well question and it also suitable for all the projects. And from my opinion, there are several things we can improve to encourage more developers. The first one, I guess we need to improve the quality of the documentation to help those new beginners and take and set up the project quickly. And for the second one, I guess we can try to help those very active and active and core developers to help to recognize their contributions. Like in our local meetups, we usually invited those who were active in the code developer to be a speaker in the meetup and to help give tutorials to others. And also certainly I would like to hear people's that's now this question. Yeah, I would echo that. That's the part of reason why I think in the current plan section, we wanted to create some more videos and update documents. That's the area that we wanted to put a bit more focus on to help people to get on the project easily. I think it really applies, you know, sort of to a lot of the tools, I think Brian, getting other people to contribute is largely going to be a function of people that are using it and having it scratch right. And so I think some of it is awareness. Some of it is documentation. Some of it is, you know, we're still sort of early days with some of these things. I think the more people started opting and using these things in an anger, as they say, then they start finding things that they want to improve or fix. And they start getting involved. I wonder if there's a way to widen the audience. Is it still an objective for cello to expand out of fabric and and provide capabilities for the other infrastructure projects and hyper ledger This question for quite a while. Okay. Yeah, exactly. As we have discussed in the hyper ledger summit, I guess cello from its scope is always open to all the hyper ledger blockchain frameworks. Besides fabric, we do have a plan to support like a sawtooth and your heart and we have created the GRI issue. However, I had to, I had to admit that we do not have too much resources on the on the support and your heart projects. But I certainly I would like to see if you can give any advice on that. I will be appreciate Actually, I have much more expertise in fabric. So in a cello just I miss muggling things means try to learning those things. If I will be become a expert on those things then definitely I will contribute. And apart from that, my this is my research area hyper ledger. It will be very helpful for me if we will get any internship program online or offline. So any any means I'm able to come China also. So if you if you would like you would like my work definitely because from Institute to be getting a stipend. So there is no issue regarding means money. So just we want to learn and to work on this hyper ledger product, this cello project. Okay, thanks, our mate. And we are very glad that we can hear from users like you, a new beginner have learned a lot that you think that cello is helpful. And certainly, yeah, we would like to hear more that you want to channel to have improved. Yeah, thanks. Yeah. Okay. Any other comments, questions, suggestions. If not, is, is Clive on for requirements. Okay, I'm not hearing anything. I think then we should move on to the proposal for caliber. Yeah. Yeah, hi, Mark Wagner here. I wanted to say that the caliber folks have been working with the performance scale working group hand in hand, contributing a lot to our efforts as well. And that, you know, we've passed the rough consensus there are no objections to the last two calls to us coming forward with caliber and getting it in as a project. Awesome. So they have the recommendation from the performance and scale working group. And I think the caliber folks will drive you through that work. Now. And I actually have to drop because I have to go to a doctor's appointment, but I think Dan and vipin can handle WG questions. And the caliber folks can handle the caliber work. Super. Thanks. Thanks, Mark. This is Victor on Chris. Victor is not online, but we have a very important developer for categories. How Jun, how Jun should be online. Super. Okay. How Jun are you there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm here. Okay. Also, I want to introduce different who is also from Huawei. He can help to introduce category for the current progress. If you have any technical questions, I can help to answer the question. Steven, are you here. I don't want to hear him, but how'd you want, why don't you just go ahead and, and. Oh, sorry. Sorry. Hello. Can you hear me now? Yes, we can. Thank you. Thank you. Great. Fumble there. Yeah. So thanks. Thanks to Mark for the, for the intro. As, as he said, caliber has spent the last while support. Well, two things. You know, we took the feedback from TSC the last time. And to go work with PSWG on some of the metrics definition. That's, that's produced some good results. And I think there were a couple of other comments. One was on representation and just to try to build some diversity in the community. And we think we've been pretty successful at that. So at the moment, wow way IBM folks from Sora Mitsu, then also the University of Budapest have all been pretty actively involved in caliber. And as always, we'd sort of encourage and welcome as many people as possible to join it. And we did post the latest updated caliber proposal document. I think both in the invite and in rocket chat, if people want to browse through that, the various teams are listed there for representation. And then the other comment that we'd received was just some concerns maybe about the focus of caliber or that people would take it to being in some sense a assessment tool. If you like, or in some way would be used to sort of, you know, bash different projects and say, my block chain is better than your block chain. And I suppose from, from, from our standpoint, certainly for, for a while away and more generally for, for the caliber team, we're not interested in that. It's not our intention that caliber be used as an authoritative tool to benchmark or to provide comparison between different hyperledger projects. We kind of see two users for caliber one, obviously the hyperlaborative projects, framework projects themselves, those dev teams would find caliber useful in their ongoing work for internal uses to, to get relative benchmarks as they're, as they're working through their own road maps and performance improvements. And to some extent for, for other companies or individuals to use it to evaluate the tools. But I think as, as we all appreciate performance is only one aspect of a decision. It depends if your use case needs those performance or if it's public or a private chain. And there's, there's just many reasons why you would choose one, one tool set over another. So we just wanted to be really clear about that and again, put that kind of as the intention and the start of the caliber paper that we're not trying to provide authority of results on behalf of, of hyperledger and publish results of the benchmarking. And the rest of the document just brings it up to date. Progress reports through. Sorry, is there a question? No, I think somebody just needs to go on you. Yep. So then the progress reports just to catch up clarified some of that and brought fabric up to 105. So we've got sawtooth support up to zero point date. And the latest developer release of a row. And there's specific questions on those. As I've just said, we can, we can take some questions on that. We've then folded in the, the output from the PSWG. So the results and the reports that caliber produces now, you know, correspond to the terminology and the definitions from the metrics document of PSWG. And then we have a little bit of a roadmap ahead because this will definitely be a, you know, work in progress on an ongoing project. And we want to build in more of the PSWG definitions. See, are there other. Hyperledger projects, either frameworks or tools that we could use. And we've, we've kind of an obvious eye on. Cello is that would be, that'll be really interesting to find ways to support that and use Cello to orchestrate some of the deployments when people are running caliber tests against tools. And just try to support the kind of cross-pollination of those, those tools. So I'll stop there and just see if there's, if there's any questions that, clearly there's, there's more to do on caliber. But, you know, we've kind of done our best to clarify the scope, broaden the team. And we'd appreciate the support from TSC to, to move forward with that as a project. Thanks, Stephen. Any questions for Stephen and how we're going to move forward with that? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Any questions for Stephen and how Jim. So I'd just like to hear from Dan and Vipin about the engagement between caliber and working group. I know that was one of the issues originally. Yeah, this is Dan. So when, when caliber was coming for proposal that turned out the first time to be a little bit awkward timing with having just launched performance working group. Our objective there was to try to at least get to common verbiage or common metrics on what we meant by performance and what's relevant in this space versus other spaces. So we wanted to make sure that if, if there was a performance harness out there that it, it wasn't sending conflicting messages or wasn't producing something in conflict with the direction of that working group. So we wanted originally was for that working group to quickly produce metrics and then kind of get out of the way of caliber or other projects. As I imagine the architecture working group can relate to maybe some of the other working groups is it's a fairly lengthy process to get all the thinking in place and then get the document organized. So what we decided a few weeks back in, in one of these working group meetings was it might be more efficient all around to let caliber evolve alongside these metrics definitions. So I think we are close to definitions in, in the working group, but one of the way to check to make sure if, if we're creating metrics that are measurable, that are useful is to have caliber see if it's feasible to be implemented within that tool. So it's, it's going to, I think evolve at this point to be a bit of a back and forth between caliber and the working group where, where both of those efforts are enhanced by the other's activity. That sounds like a really positive relationship. Good. So this is on Ohio guys. I totally agree with this. And, you know, I would feel very bad if we were to push back again on caliber because they clearly have done what we asked them to do, which was to establish this working relationship with the performance working group. And the, you know, on a practical level, I, it would be good to highlight the link. I mean, in the hip document, there's like a text that refers to the performance working group. Is there a document that could be linked to that kind of shows that, you know, this is an implementation of the outcome of the working group. I think it would be good to kind of formalize that and, and put a reference link so that I can follow and see where those metrics are defined. And, you know, can probably search for it on the site, but it'd be convenient if there was a link. But other than that, I think this is, this sounds like great, very healthy work going on there. So, I would like to add something. Actually, I have a partner. So they have a, you know, resources. They have given a red book related to blockchain, whatever they implemented. So very well documented and very well, very good manner. They prepared a video means how they implement, how it's actually work. This is their hyper laser in fabric with their scenario. So in this manner, is it possible for you to give some video lecture related to this project so that for, and the user for a new developer, they are able to understand what they, what you are supposed to do, exactly looking for using this project. So such type of things I'm looking for. Am I right? Or is there anything you have to add something? Hello. Yes. I cannot believe. Sorry. Are you asking as a question or? Yeah. I'm asking a question means in a, means in IBM blockchain, whatever they implemented using fabric. Oh, so very well documented and they prepared a tutorial means how this, their fabric is actually working real scenario with four notes. They are taking four notes and making a hyper laser communication using their environment. In the same manner, we are go for this project caliber. So is it possible to see their working in a tutorial fashion? So such type of things I'm looking for because this, this project caliper project, little bit confusing. I mean, it might be in a wrong direction. I don't know. So such type of things I'm actually looking for. Yeah. So I think, I mean, you know, absolutely all of the projects could use better. More documentation. And then actually Brian to your earlier point, you know, how can more people get involved? Or how do we, you know, documentation is equally as important as code. And sometimes it's also one of the easier ways to start engaging in a project because you are basically writing down and sharing with others what you're learning as you're learning about the project through the documentation. So it's a good way to sort of get, get rolling. I wouldn't necessarily expect that or make it a prerequisite for a project to have, you know, fully, you know, sort of product production level documentation for its production. And I do, I do tend to agree with what our, our know was saying a little bit earlier about, you know, they've, they've stepped up and they've done exactly what we've asked them to do, if not more. And I, you know, I think that, you know, certainly the, the partnership with the working group has been productive and a positive one, I think is Dan and Mark both suggested. So I think it's, it's probably time that we take a vote. Yeah. If anybody has further concerns or questions. I would like to add some one, one, one thing. If you teach me miss how your project actually work. So I will make a production ready tutorial for other guys so that they may be easily for them to contribute on those, but on this particular project like a fabric or sort of such type of things. I'm able to contribute. If you teach me how this project actually work and what should be means with code and they're running example so that I can make my own production related to this project. So such type of condition I'm willing to give for this project. Well, I don't see any objection. So we can go ahead with the vote and yes, I mean, you can contact the developers and yeah. Yeah. Okay, so. Whoops. Yeah, sure thing. So let's just do a quick vote. So for the nine TSE members that are on all in favor, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. All right. Any abstaining. Any opposed. All right. That passes unanimously. Great. Thank you very much. And congratulations to the caliper team on becoming the newest. Project. And I think the next steps then would be for, you know, Steven and, and, and how John and Victor to contact rye and he can. Help get you on boarded from a get hub Garrett.  Thanks. Thanks for that. Thanks to everyone for the support. Yeah. Yeah. Look, look forward to, to this. Awesome. Great. Thanks a lot. Okay. Go ahead and send out information to you on how to get. Started getting that into the gate hub of hyper ledger. Yeah. Great. Great. Tracy. Thanks. I'll follow up with you. Great. Okay. Last call for Clive and the requirements working. Okay. Todd, I guess we'll have to defer that for next week. Yeah. I emailed him and didn't get anything back. So I think that he just missed it. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So we're back to the discussion about. Leaving incubation before a 1.0 or, you know, whether it's a prerequisite or, or a strong suggestion or. Or not a requirement at all. So. I think we, you know. And again, I don't want to, you know, necessarily put words in people's mouths, but I think that the. You know, that there are arguments on both sides, as they say, to be made for, you know, the fact that. I think they're likely to be projects that maybe don't necessarily. You know, have as broad a. A community around them as others. And that will always be the case. And we shouldn't necessarily penalize a project. That has value and that is, you know, the value of the project. And that's, you know, the fact that a community wants to sort of establish. That in fact, there's some relevance here.  About, you know, the, the, the, the. The quality and the. You know, the completeness of a project. You know, oftentimes, you know, being at a zero dot something.  Because they're waiting for it to be a little bit more mature. So. So, you know, and again, there's a bit of a chicken and egg. The tween. People using something and then turning back and contributing as. You know, that aspect of the question. And then there's also the, well, but if you put in the effort to, you know, to satisfy the criteria for exiting incubation. And shouldn't teams be required to do that? We wouldn't necessarily want hyper ledger to be. Abused as a community for, you know, going to 1.0. Without necessarily really engaging. And, and, and attempting to embrace the community. That we have here. So. And essentially just using the name. To brand some. Largely proprietary project. So. I, you know, again, I think there's, there's, there's. There's. There's arguments on both sides. And I don't know, you know, others can, can weigh in here. You know, we have another 15 or so minutes. But I would hope that we could maybe wrap up this conversation and. And make a decision. And if we do decide one way or the other, then I think we should. Then leverage that to update our. You know, make a specific update in the project lifecycle. To either, you know, make it a criteria for. I should say to make, to update the project lifecycle document to say that exiting incubation is a prerequisite or not. Just so that it's clear. And then if it is. Then we should. Well, anyway, we, we, we should just update our, our documentation to, to, to accommodate that. So I think the, you know, there is general agreement that in the application exit criteria, there's a set of criteria that really, you know, pertain to organizational aspect of the project that we all feel like, yeah, this, you know, to qualify for one zero release, you ought to have all of that taken care of things like the CEI, the test, all this stuff.  And so it seems like there, the options we have, you know, to address this problem is either we agree that people can get to one zero with that getting out of incubation because they don't have this community aspect that can care of, but they're everything else. Or we, well, there are three options, I guess, either we, that, or we, we say, sorry, you have to get out of incubation. Otherwise you don't qualify to issue one zero. Or the third option is we water down the criteria to get out of incubation to say, well, in some cases even if you don't have a very broad community, you might still get out of incubation. And therefore you'd be allowed to get to active and qualify to one zero. I made a proposal on the TSC channel email, I guess, as well, that maybe there's a middle ground which is we allow people to, if you're an active status, you automatically qualify to, you know, for one zero release. But if you don't enact, if you're not an active status, then you can essentially it's almost like an appeal to the TSC to still, you know, be able to release a one zero. So the, if you're not an active status, it would, the one zero release would be at the discretion of the TSC. And the TSC would then do an evaluation, make sure everything else is taken care of. And on that basis could possibly say, yeah, okay, fine. We understand you can't build a big community, but you have all the other things taken care of. Therefore you can go ahead and release a one zero project. Is the problem the size of the community, or do we not want to vote for every project? Is that a concern?  Is it something like that? No, no, it was really more the diversity of the community in the executory. We have this notion that you have built up a community and there's not like one entity in full control and the only one contributors, right? Yeah. So that would have been like, you know, hyperledger fabric initially, it was all IBMers for the most part, they were a couple of people from TSC. But that's, you know, pretty much all IBMers and we had to grow the community and get people from other organizations on board. So effectively with this, since becoming an active project requires a vote from the TSC anyway, effectively what this does, it just gives the TSC a chance to review anything that goes to a one oh, at least, I mean that effectively is what we're, what we're saying, right? Yeah, I think that's a good simplification of that. Yeah. Yeah, but you apply for different outcome though, right? In one case today, you only apply to get out of incubation move to active. In this case, you would have to the option to apply to reduce the one zero even if you're not moving to active. Yeah, I understand. I don't know. I'm just suggesting that what this does is it gives the TSC at least some visibility into the project and an opportunity to review its maturity, whether we review that maturity as a transition from incubation to active or review that maturity as a transition to one point or release at least gives us a chance to be on board with where the project is. And that's the part I like about this mostly. Yeah, so Nick, actually that may be the, maybe that's just the ticket here is that we just sort of say, you know, there are going to one that oh, or exiting incubation requires passing through and review by the TSC. And that sort of covers because then essentially it makes it a decision, a subjective decision essentially by the TSC as to whether or not they felt that either the maturity of the code or the community is, you know, is suitable enough for for reaching that particular milestone, whether it's exiting incubation or not. And we can choose, you know, to maybe handle both at the same time or to you know, to say, well, but we still think you need to work on XYZ, right? I'm just judging by how much hard time we gave the caliper guys back in the day. Remember, like with Mark when he was trying, he said, no, we want the requirements in and this and that, and actually it did work well. So I'm happy to have some authority, right, as the TSC and actually, and we're all happy to vote them in, we're all proud of the work that was done. And so I think it's not bad to approach the TSC from a time to time. Just my view. Because it allows us to also guide people, right, so they don't waste time or actually what exactly do we want from them? And then we see we cannot be proud saying, hey, look, this is exactly what you wanted. Thank you very much. Go ahead. Good luck. You know, and we all endorse it. Yeah, the vote for 1.0 seems like a totally reasonable thing. Right? Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Dan? Yeah, I totally agree. I'm not hearing any disagreement from anybody. Maybe there's a knit we'll have to work out with the phrasing of 1.0 versus some other sort of the GA terminology. Okay, Greg? Sorry, bubble boot. I have no objections. Okay. Ben has been on. I think Ben is out this week. Okay. All right. Well, I guess then I guess I'm not hearing any objections. So maybe that's what we do. We just sort of say that 1.0 and exiting incubation require TSC approval, you know, review and approval and maybe that that. And we can update the life cycle document accordingly. So unless there's any objection, I think I'll take the action to do that, you know, and present the update at the next call. Chris, can I just ask a clarifying question because I've heard two different things and I want to make sure that we're all on the same page. So is 1.0 regardless of whether you're active or incubation? I think it sounded to me like the last thing that 1.0 regardless of what status you're in. What do people think? I would think yes, but I want to make sure I'm not. I agree with that, but I think that generally we would expect projects to become active as it hits 1.0 or sometime within the same time frame. There are exceptions to that. And I think the thing I like about this is it allows us to handle that with, you know, a review of the TSC without having to make the rules too stringent or too cookie cutter where there is variation between projects and what each project needs. Okay, so I think the answer then is yes. I'll update the document and we can vote on the update. The answer is yes to what? Because Tracy, you're asking all questions you're answering by yes. I'm sorry. Yes. Yes, I know. Yes. Yes, the answer is both. Yes, it's either A or B. Yes. So I took that to be yes. Anything that's going to 1.0 has to have a vote from here. It has to have a review. Yeah, that's probably the easiest way to phrase it. And then I don't know if we want to make things harder on ourselves, but figuring out do we want to at the same time enforce this semver kind of labeling so that something that's claiming to be production ready is defined as 1.0. I thought we did that. I thought we had agreed that projects here in hyper leisure would use some semantic versioning. Yeah, we did that. We did that a long time ago, but it seems that when projects have come in, they've at times had their own versioning sequence. And so I think this was maybe the case for Indy. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's correct. Indy went to 1.0 right as we were entering right before we entered hyper leisure. Kick him out. Can we rescind to the project approval? That's right. Okay. I'll look at adding some reinforcement there and for that. Sound good? Well, would that mean that Indy, if this applies to any other projects, we'd need to reversion. And then if that's the case, can folks on Indy think about how bad that is? If it's bad. I think our strategy here would just be to hurry up and exit incubation rather than try to reversion. Yeah, that might be easier. I can see that. Who wants to change the version number backwards? I wouldn't necessarily say that you have to go backwards, but you should be using semantic versioning. If you were using bananas as your version number, then maybe you need to rethink that. Yeah, but that's not what I'm hearing. If they use 1.0, that's the problem, right? Yeah, but that precedes this decision. Yes, no, I totally understand. That was exactly one of the difficulties on our team is that we did that 1.0 because we reached the first phase and featured completeness and we hit the milestone where we can't break user space anymore. How about we do this? Because I think the criteria is going to be the first major release of a project under the Hyperledger umbrella requires TSC approval. Does that make sense? What does it mean, major release? Well, it means the one that you want to have the press release from Hyperledger. Nice try. I think it means the one that you want to have the big, you know, the horns blaring, you know, pinching on pins, heads, and all the things. It's not release. You don't want to get only one bonus in your lifestyle. You have to give it. Yeah. Does that make sense to people as opposed to 1.0 since we may have, like, Indy, have a project that's already passed that threshold? Yeah, I think that's reasonable. We can deal with the, you know, the lack of precision. You could say, and which is like, you know, IE10 for the project that follows some verb and, you know, and then aside from that, we say new project need to follow this and then we would avoid the... Right, but I don't think we necessarily need to have people reset to 1.0. No, but I agree. Right, okay. So I will update and I will share it via email and people can comment on the mailing list and then we'll review and... So just from my understanding, so we allow people to go 1.0 while they're in incubation or not? Is that... Yes. Yes, if we decide yes. In other words, it's a decision. Let's see, it's not... We're not saying that we are. You need to bring your proposal to the TSC. We will review it and we'll make a decision. Right, but we are allowing that as a possibility. That's the difference. No, because I'm reading the TSC channel and I'm just making sure. I want to do a PowerGravity, not this way. But again, it would also then encourage you, you could maybe do this and say, okay, we think the code is ready and we're also pretty comfortable with where we are from a community perspective and all the Garrett, JIRA, all the other things are in place and so therefore we think we're good. So, okay, I'll update the document. I think I have a good sense of where we are and I don't hear anybody objecting generally to this course. You can always email the diff, right? Yeah, sure. So that's a deal. Given that, I think we're at the end of the job. Thanks everyone and talk to you all next week, hopefully. And we'll see you soon. Oh, and congrats to Caliper. Thank you. Yes, of course. Congrats, Caliper. Welcome to the club. Thanks. Thanks again, guys. Talk to you soon. Bye.


So, I'm sure a lot of you are wondering what we do with the hour angle, because it's not something that we really ever used before in regular everyday language, right? But because so many of our mathematical calculations are in terms of angles, remember angles are coordinates in the solar reference, in the solar favorable reference. So when we normally have, you know, 24 hour time, we need to convert that time into something on the order of 360 degrees, or in our case, minus 180 degrees to plus 180 degrees, right? And so we're going to figure out a way to convert 24 hours of time to degrees, and those degrees are going to be found as the hour angle, right? So time is going to be in terms of decimal hours, so time in decimal hours. And we're going to make sure that we do that in a 24 hour time frame, so that if I were talking about 1.30 in the morning, I would represent this as 1.5, right? If I wanted 1.30 in the afternoon, based on the 24 hour system, that would be 13.5, right? Okay, so we have that understood. So in order to get the hour angle of time, right, we're going to start with time is going to be the hour angle times the conversion of 1 hour per 15 degrees of rotation of the earth, right? So that's going to give me my decimal hours, multiply them there, such that if I wanted to have the hour angle, I would have time times 15 degrees per 1 hour, in which case my time is in hours. The units of hours would cancel out, and I'd be left with a units of degrees, right? Now one of the things that you're going to find in your problems is the calculation of day length, and the day length in the textbook is shown by calculating the hour angle of the sunset. And we do sunset because it's a positive angular value. Basically if I were to, here let me do a quick diagram, if I were to put noon, right, 12 o'clock noon here, anytime before noon would be negative, anytime after noon would be positive. So this is where I have my negative 180 degrees going into the morning, you're looking back before noon, so you have negative degrees going into the afternoon, you're going after 12, so you're adding degrees, so it's positive. So I have a positive value for the sunset, right? And so if I wanted to calculate the sunset, we find that I need to calculate the arc cosine, or the inverse cosine of the negative tangent of the declination times the tangent, the latitude, v. And I might have switched these two guys around in the textbook, but you're going to get the same answer. So that will give me the time of sunset, or the hour angle of sunset, and the hour angle of sunrise is going to be the negative, the sunset. And then the last part that you're looking for hours in a day, right, is going to be two times, because the sunset hour angle times the conversion of one hour per 15 degrees, that's going to give you the number of hours in the day, and you're going to want that for one of your answers as well. Okay?


So, when I played Othello, what was I thinking? Well the first one is that it clearly seems that if I play with white then having more white stones on the bot is better than having more black stones. That can actually be a bad strategy if we only focus on that but that kind of seems right. The second observation that I had when I was playing it is that corners are great because once you have a corner no one can take things away from you. There's also sometimes there's pieces that are safe where you can like know this piece can never again be taken away from you. But there's also something about local configurations that's very hard to describe but like if I locally look at the bot there's certain things that feel good and certain things that don't feel good. So you could say that could be basis of maybe value judgment. Now we want to distinguish three different strategies here. The first one could be snap value estimation. I want to choose the action that brings me to the bot with the highest estimated value. If you give me a really great value estimator this is a really very nice strategy. Alternatively we could say we could have snap policy judgment. I look at the bot, I see the right moves there and I simply choose the action which I estimate to be the best. And then there's the possibility to use planning where I can say I can look into the future maybe using snap policy judgments to decide where I should go with which probability. And then of all the possible futures that I can foresee there I might want to choose the future that has the highest associated value. So you see there's like different subtle ways of thinking about how we should play. They all feel in a way right and they all in a way feel incomplete. And you will find that this kind of property of real world prompts happens very often in the context of deep learning or general in machine learning. Now let's first see if we can get away with just relatively simple strategy. This one possibility plan plan until the end of the game. Go through all possibilities. In that case we don't need any value judgment no like we go all the way to the end. And in fact there exist some games like tic-tac-toe that are simple enough that we can plan through all of them. Alternatively you could say if I would have a perfect value estimate I would know the probability of winning given optimal play for every possible bot. No need for planning on that. But let's first see how good we can do be with such a strategy where we do value-based snap judgments. Value. What do we expect the value evaluation to look like? Well if I'm going to win I might expect that my value of the bot should be one. If it's going to be a draw I might expect the value to be zero of the bot. If I'm going to lose the value should be minus one. And you can say if we are farther away from the end of the game we maybe might want to be somewhere between one and minus one. Now let's implement a pure snap judgment based on values strategy to see how good it plays. We will build a system that tries to estimate how good a given position is. The value here is defined as the difference between the probability of winning and the probability of losing. And we will solve this problem and many others with deep learning. And you can see how deep learning fits very natural. Like we are looking for a mapping of a complex structure like the bot onto the difference between the probabilities of winning and losing. But before we go there solving it with deep learning we will use the strategy that previously had been popular which is let's try to solve that problem by hand. So that's what you will do first now.


Hello everyone, I'm Alicia Anderson and welcome to the Fort Worth Report. Are you searching for great food and service at reasonable cost? Well you can visit the Culinary School of Fort Worth on Camp Bowie for a monthly themed dinner and Sunday brunch. Our themed dinners primarily are for students to get real world practical experience. The students organize it, plan it, cook it. The last one we did was ended up being 11 courses and it gives our students a chance to get out of the realm of a classroom and deal with real people and that's pretty helpful for us. Sunday brunch has the same purpose in mind. The brunch is to get practical experience for the students and utilize what they've learned in class on a larger scale where they can truly see the customer enjoy the food that they've made. We have two artisan soups that we do. We have a salad bar. We have an omelette station. We have a pasta bar. We have live entertainment for the guests which is nice classical guitar. And then the student takes the order and brings it back and then the customer has the opportunity to do three different entree choices. You get great food and the students get a real life experience. They don't know what to expect. Most of them have never worked in the food service. This is the first time for a lot of them they've ever done this for real and they're very nervous at the beginning but then the people that come know it's for students. The people that are here eating want the students to succeed and they really try to help them. They're very friendly. We're really lucky in that way and then at the end of the night the students are all they get a little cocky after they've done a couple of them and go we got this. Leave us alone. We're doing it. So yeah it works really well that way. Our student typically finds out that it is a lot of work. You know you're on your feet and it's very fast paced and you have to keep a track of a lot of information but every time they get through with that they're tired but it's a very rewarding experience because they get immediate reaction from the customer and how nice the food was and how nice the service was and they get immediate feedback. If you're inspired by their cooking you can join the school. We are a school that is designed for both people who want to become professionals or people who just want to cook better at home and they all go through the same program. Our philosophy is that if you learn to cook as a professional you'll be a better home cook. You'll be faster. You'll be cleaner. You will not waste your food dollar by wasting food but if you want to be a professional when you walk out of here you are ready to go be employed somewhere and the chef there will be happy to have you. A reservation is required for the theme dinner and the Sunday brunch. Visit the culinary school of Fort Worth website for more information. Here's a look at other events happening in and around Fort Worth in the next few weeks. For a listing of more events and city meetings you always can check the calendar at the city's website.


The Bemidji Area School Board is asking for the public's help in their search for a new superintendent. A community meeting is set for next Monday on February 5th so people can express their opinions regarding the strengths and challenges of the district. The meeting starts at 6.30 at night and will be held in the district board room. The meeting will be facilitated by consultants from School Exec Connect, the company hired to aid the district in the superintendent's search. The group will also discuss the goals for the district as well as the characteristics and skills they would like to see in the next superintendent. The search process to find a new superintendent is expected to last through May. If you enjoyed this segment of Lakeland News, please consider making a tax-deductible contribution to Lakeland PBS.


So the other day I got a call saying that I have $10 million waiting for me in an African bank account. And all I have to do is send them $1,000 in order for me to have that $10 million. Very good deal, right? That is the type of scam that I get all the time. And that's the reason why I want to shoot this video for you to show you the different types of scams that restaurant owners get approached with all the time. So then that way you can avoid it at all costs. So make sure you guys keep watching. Hello friends, my name is Wilson, your friend in helping you build a profitable small business and a thriving food business. Number one scam is that you need a social media agency to run your Instagram, to promote for your restaurant. Now I get approached a lot by these different agencies and I'm not trying to throw shade at them. Some of them might actually be quite reputable. And actually I do know a few that are very, very good. But to start off with your restaurant, you don't need to invest in a social media agency. You can take the pictures yourself. You can do the outreach yourself. You can do the research on this channel, learn how to run your campaigns and do everything yourself. And you should definitely invest in learning and executing it yourself because not only are you gonna save a ton of money, but a lot of times these different campaigns might not get you the results you're looking for right away. And that's the reason why. Why do you think investing in these agencies would get you return the promised returns that they always claim? Majority of time, it's basically three months of contract and you're not happy with them and you basically cancel with them. And now you're $10,000 short. So definitely don't invest until you have to do the proper due diligence. 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Everyone in the restaurant industry knows for the fact that if you want to get rich, restaurant industry is definitely not your first choice. And on top of that, in the first few years you're going to be putting in a lot of hard work to get your systems in place, to hire the right people and to actually learn the trade.  I want to make sure you have the right mentality when going into this industry that you're passionate about this industry. You're passionate to create food, passionate to create something that is novel, great, that someone can enjoy. That is where that whole inspiration should come from. And when you have that mindset right then this would become a success for you. For us at 720 Suites, we worked a good five years before we were able to see some sort of success and was being able to get acquired. So definitely put in the work, have the right mindset to set yourself up for success. If you guys enjoyed this video and find value in this video, make sure you guys smash the like button and let me know this is the type of content that you enjoy. Now back to regular programming. The third scam that is a must avoid at all times is that you need more marketing. You need to buy Facebook ads. You need to buy Instagram ads. You need to buy a billboard ad. That is the wrongest, wrongest.  The reason is because if you have bad food, if you have bad customer service, then nothing can solve that, right? Because the fundamental is just not there. When you put money into driving people into your restaurant, when your food is not good and when your fundamentals are not right, people will come and try it out once but they're gonna hate it. They're gonna write you a bad review and on top of that, they're never ever gonna come again. Then why are we spending money and bringing people in? Shouldn't we switch that around a little bit and just make sure we built the right foundations? 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So next time when someone is approaching you, selling you on marketing service, bringing in more traffic, you know for a fact that that is a scam. That is no good. Work on your fundamentals.  And that is something that is the biggest, biggest disservice that anyone can do to you. And why is that the case? It is because when your fundamentals are not right, when you don't have a proven method and a proven model, you would not be the next biggest chain in the world. And the chances of you being them is quite slim when it comes down to it. If you don't learn from people who have been there, who have done that and who have actually made all the mistakes, that can consult and gear you towards the right path.  They're just giving you compliments just to give you some confidence boost, just to have good manners. So definitely don't fall for that. Make sure you have the right mindset. Make sure that you guys always, always keep, keep learning. 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last year and a half or so, since we're doing the meeting on zoom. So we're suing to government code section 54, 953 E and the recommendation of the health offer officer of the county of Sonoma economic development subcommittee will be participating in this meeting as a webinar. Rafael, it's the SRTBIA advisory board. Oh, of course. Yes. All right. So members of the public may be may view and listen to the meeting as noted on the city's website as noted on the agenda. Madam secretary, could you please see a request to record the meeting? Yes. So I will go ahead and just let everyone know the members of public wishing to speak during item two public comment or during any of the scheduled items will be able to do so by utilizing raised hand feature or if by calling in by pressing star nine on their phone, they will then be given the ability to address the board. All right. Thank you. I noticed that the disclosure got a little shorter. So anyway. All right. So moving on to them. So if you want me to do the roll call, roll call please. Uh, member rumble. Present. Member Roberto. Present. Member Renteria. Here. Member Anderson. Present. And let the record reflect that all the members of the board are currently present. Excellent. All right. So moving on to item two. Do we have any public comments? Yes, we do. Just one moment. Please allow me to share this. Thank you. And Mr. Frazier, if you would please confirm your ability to see the screen and introduce yourself if you so choose. That would be wonderful. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks. That's that's very clear. I'm loud and clear. This is Eric Frazier and I'm recognized as Truth in Tourism. But lately, of course, we've also been involved in the short-term rental community to push back on ordinances that were passed quickly in the city of Santa Rosa. I'm pretty sure everybody on this call is familiar with that. So I did want to give a little update on that because the special normal community contributes in a more growing and substantial way to this BIA fund and committee. So although our fund is incomplete, it looks like from your 2020 employer is about $800,000 from the short-term rental community. And now it appears like it may be 100,000 or so a year coming into BIA. This is important because the ordinance impacted quite a number of people. Obviously, the short-term rental community needed to be hyper-organized and continues to be in a growing way. So there's now hundreds of people that have joined an organization. But most disconcerting of all really are the people that were affected that were hosted rentals. So predominantly these are retirement age people, predominantly women that would have spaces, bedrooms in their homes above all the travelers. And this was a significant impact. So what we saw before the ordinance, about 70% of short-term rentals were these hosted operations. And then after the ordinance, that ratio completely reversed. So the cost of the ordinance is actually going to drive up BIA that comes from this sector because it's basically the commercial operators. But left in the track are hundreds of Santa Rosa citizens that were brutalized by the Surgency Ordinance. And they'll be organizing their stories. And in a couple months, we'll be ready for outreach to visitors, which is where we'll be coming back to this board to ask for a financial commitment to pay for this outreach. So that's one thing. The other thing is because of now the growing influence of the short-term rental community, surely it would be strategic on the part of this board to invite STR community officially into this board. And even though there's some things to be resolved, yet about the appropriateness of investment, just the same, I think it would be a great idea actually in the time is right to build strong relationships with the STR community. Thanks. I appreciate you being able to have three minutes of your time. Thanks so much. Have a great meeting. Thank you, Mr. Grazier. We have no additional hands raised at this time. I thank you, Eileen. And there seems to be some background noise. I'm wondering if everyone could mute themselves or, Eileen, if you could mute everybody and then when they're ready to speak, they can unmute themselves. Thank you. So moving on to with item number three is the approval of the minutes. And Eileen, if you don't mind, if you could please promote Charlene as well. And thank you. She has received my invitation and hopefully she'll be popping over to the panelists in just a moment. Okay, perfect. All right. So item three is approval of the minutes, actually 3.1. It's under item 3.1 is the approvals of the minutes from our meeting held on November 18, 2021. And do we have any discussions regarding the minutes before we approve the minutes? No? All right. So I'd like to hear a motion to approve those November minutes from last year. Anybody like to make a motion? I will make a motion to approve the minutes. Okay. Someone want a second? I'll second. All right. So any public comments regarding minutes? There are no hands raised at this time. Okay. Further discussion? I don't think so. So all in favor to approve the November 2021 minutes, say aye. Aye. Raise your hand. Any opposed? Great. Thank you. The minutes approved. All right. So moving on to event support applications, item four. So we have item 4.1, the 16th annual California Artisan Cheese Festival. Hopefully everyone had a chance to review the applications and we're going to go ahead and dive into that right now. So let me see here. I believe this is a returning event. I use, I typically just give you guys a quick overview. Our request is $10,000. They spend a quite significant amount of funds to run this event. It is returning. They did take a post during the COVID period. They plan to sell 1,500 tickets and recruit up to 500 volunteers. It's held at the Grace Pavilion in Shade Park. What kind of funds do we have available? Yeah. Good question. Since it is a new calendar year, I believe, you know, Santa Rosa usually allocates the $25,000 and then the CDE has the other $25,000. So it's typically a match. So $50,000. Yes. Do we know how much we've donated to the Cheese Festival in the past years? I do have that list, but I didn't... Geez. I don't recall off the top of my head. I do have the list here. Take me a second to look. It looks like we, in 2019, we awarded $5,000 for their event and I don't have any prior years. Yeah. So in 2019, it was a total of $5,000 awarded. In 2018, we actually also awarded $4,000. All right. So any further discussion for this line item or this application? The event organizers on the line would like to say a few words. Very well. And this is Judy Walker and I believe Tom Birdzall is also available to speak if he can be unmuted. We do appreciate your support in the past. 2018 was the first year we moved to Santa Rosa and so it was very important for us to get the word out that we had moved locations and that we were expanding. 2019, we started to add more activities and then of course, 2020 and 2021, we were shut down due to COVID. So we are moving back and we were supposed to be in March, but due to the pandemic, we had to move our event to May. So we will only be one day this year and hope that we can raise enough funds to be able to be back in person with a three-day event in Santa Rosa next March. Thank you, Judy. This is Tom Birdzall. Can you hear me okay? Yes, Tom. Go ahead. Okay. Thank you for having given us the opportunity to present. We appreciate the past support we received from Santa Rosa. Yeah, Judy's captured it. We're trying to restart, you know, the in-person event this year, May 7th with our largest event. That is a track of 15-liter people. And as our application states, we've tracked a lot of people from outside the county to 65% and from people from all across the country. So this is a year to sort of get things back going in person. We did just yesterday evening, the Summit County Tourism has renewed their support for us, which is very helpful for hoping you would also renew your support to help us really get the word out about this festival for people outside the county. So that will promote overnight visits. Festivaling with Judy's great help, of course, creating a one of really the I think probably the best artisan chief's festival in the country. So it's yet another reason besides beer and wine and food and, you know, all the great things about Sonoma and Santa Rosa, we have one more thing to offer to people. So we appreciate your support and happy to answer any questions. Thank you, Tom. Yes, and per the application, there's an estimated of 120 rooms during that night, guests and vendors and new funds would be utilized for facility fees and marketing. So we awarded 4,000 in 2018, 5,000 in 2019. The request is for 10,000 this time around. Anyone ready to make a motion? I'll just start with an overall comment in that I think the festival is wonderful. It brings a lot of folks to town. Just like Tom was saying, it's a it's a nice further definition of what makes Santa Rosa, Sonoma County unique and special. So agree with all of that completely. Just an overall comment that has nothing to do with the cheese festival is the number of requests that we have on the agenda today. And if you count up the total of the requested amount, it is well oversubscribed to the funds that we have available. So just looking at everything with that sort of lens. But also that is in no way a, you know, disparaging comment on the value of this event. So I would love to support this event. I hope the committee agrees and the real question I think is the dollar amount. Thank you, Peter. Any other comments, Todd? Yeah, I agree with Peter. I think it's a great event. Not real thorough all about the date, but I mean, it is what it is. I think it is a great event and I think it brings rooms into the area. And as Peter mentioned, I think the amount of support that we could potentially offer is in no way reflect, you know, how we feel about the event. It's and we have six applications in front of us and only $50,000. So I guess I'd make a motion with a stipulation that it goes to marketing. And I would agree with that. Todd, motion to approve $4,000. Donna? Seconded. Second. Let's see. Any other discussion? Just make the comment if the motion maker is and the second is willing to consider maintaining the level of support that we had the last time around at $5,000 rather than going down to $4,000. I'd support that. And it's not a sort of interested in dying on. So happy to get any funds that we can to the organization. Thank you. Public comments? Actually, the member Anderson has a stand raised. Go ahead. Oh, Todd, did you have, did you want to say something? I wouldn't be opposed to five. Okay, so we'll take that motion back up on that. So Todd's making a motion to approve $5,000 for the 16-annual California Artisan Cheese Festival. And Donna, did you want a second or Peter? Or I'll go ahead and second that. I think Donna would either technically have to agree to that or remove. All right. I'll agree. I'll agree. Okay, Donna. Second. All right. All right, we had a discussion in the public comments. We have no hands raised at this time, nor were there any voicemails or emails for this meeting. Okay. All right. So all those in favor to approve $5,000 to the 16th annual California Artisan Cheese Festival taking place on May 7th of this year at the fairgrounds. Say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. Motion passes. Thank you. Very well. Moving on. We have now the Item 4.2, the 30th annual Sonoma County Hot Air Balloon Classic. And the request is for $20,000. The total amount of the event is $200,000. And it takes place in June at the fairgrounds. Again, it's another very exciting event. I think they took a break during COVID. So the last time they had this was it at the fairgrounds or this is the first one because I know the others were canceled. Is this the first one that's going to actually be held at the fairgrounds? I believe so. Yes. Do we have, yeah. I don't think we have any representatives from the organization. But well, yes. I mean, here for the application, this is a returning event, 30 years. I believe it was in Windsor, Kaiser Park. And I got a feeling that it's the first time that would be taking place at the fairgrounds. So in the application, it states that it's the first year at the Santa Rosa Fairgrounds. Yeah. Yeah. Estimated general booking, 80 plus rooms, lots of families. So things like it's a very well attended event. Any further discussion? Yeah. And again, given the amount of funds that we have available, I think the total of these six applications comes up to close to $50,000. Do we know how much we contributed to them in the past? Let me check on that. Let me take a look. Any to that event? I think we may have. So it was canceled in 2020. And no, we haven't. We haven't funded this event. They put in the request in 2020 and it was canceled. So we probably made a motion to approve something. But again, it was, we did not make the award because of the cancellation. All right. So anybody wanting to come motion to approve that support for? I think, in my opinion, you know, I think it's a good event. I'm not thrilled about the dates, but, you know, I like those bringing people into the area. And this goes back to the previous concern is the amount of money they're requesting. I don't know. Someone has an amount of mine off top of my head. I'm thinking five, but I don't know where everyone else is at. That's just my thoughts. If that's a motion, I'd second it. And I will agree. All right. Yes, it's a motion. I'll second. Okay. So Todd made a motion to approve $5,000 for the 30th annual Sonoma County hot air balloon classic. Peter's second. Any, any other discussion? Any comments from the public? We have no hands raised at this time. All right. So all those in favor to approve $5,000 for the 30th annual Sonoma County air balloon classic taking place June 4th and 5th this year at the Santa Rosa Fairground. Say aye. Aye. Any opposed? All right. Motion passes. Thank you. Moving on to 4.3, monster truck nationals. And I think I just know the sign over at the fairground. So it must be happening pretty soon. The request is $2,500. The total amount to run the event is about $60,000 according to the application. Generates according to what they mentioned in the section about overnight 100 to 250 room nights. Possibly. I don't know how they tracked that down, but oh, they do say something about the Sandman. 50 rooms, Bomingo, Double Tree, out of town, and so on. Well, double trees out of San Rosa. But anyway, it looks like a fun family event. And I think we have funded them in the past too. We have multiple years. The amount has not been particularly significant that we funded them, honestly. It's fairly, fairly small amount of support that we've provided. So 2015, it was $1,000, $16,000, $2,000, $17,000. So we have been funding them throughout the years. It is a returning event. And their request is $2,500, I think in 2019. I'm thinking the $2,500 that they're asking, I think we can do $2,500. Okay. Is that a motion, Donna? Yes. To approve $2,500 for this event. Someone want to second? I don't know. Second, huh? I'd be more comfortable with like $1,000 or $1,500. I mean, we've been supporting this event for many years. It's not a non-profit or anything like that. I'm sure they're making money or they wouldn't keep coming back. Yeah. I think the funds would be better used for other organizations. I do think, I mean, I'd be willing to support $1,000 or $1,500 or something along those lines. But, you know, the majority rules, that's just my two cents. So we don't know what kind of room nights they've brought us in the past? I don't have that information, unfortunately. According to the application, they say they generate a range of 100 to 250 rooms, room nights. I attend these. And they got the Flamingo and the Sandman is sponsored most hotels? They mentioned that they're working with the Sandman on rooms. And according to the application, they get about 6,000 people attending the event. And they even have it broken down to about 2,000 out of the area, about 4,000 within Sonoma County. I'm okay with $1,500. You know what? I'm going to agree with that. Okay, so motion to approve $1,500 for event support for the Monster Truck Spring Nationals. Someone want a second? Todd, did I hear you? I will. I'll second it. Okay, Donna, so I made the motion. Donna, second. Any further discussion? No? Comments from the public? We have no hand raised at this time. Thank you, Eileen. All right, so all those in favor say aye to approve the $1,500. All right. Any opposed? Motion passes. $1,500 for the Monster Truck Nationals event, May 13th, 14th of this year. All right. Moving on to item 4.4. This one's actually kind of an easy one, but I have instructions that we have to vote on... This is the... Yeah, okay, this is the... If you may recall, back in November, we did approve the Wine Country Distillery Festival. It's also a big event in Santa Rosa, and they have proposed an earlier date, and because of the pandemic, they propose a new date, and all we got to do, I understand, is just to approve the new date, which is now August 13th. So any discussion regarding that item? We have already approved $3,500. I believe their request was $5,000, and I believe the total cost to run the event is around $150,000. I have that wrong, but they also claim to generate a lot of night stays, and yes. This is just moving the date, so... Yes. So yeah, I'll make the motion. Okay, motion to approve the new date, which is again August 13th. I'll second that. All those in favor to date change? Say aye. Aye. Okay, any opposed? All right. So motion approved to do the date change for the Wine Country Distillery Festival. All right, thank you all. Moving on, we have the returning event, 4.5, our annual Sonoma County LGBTQI Plus Plus Pride Parade and Festival. And this time around, the organization is requesting or the event support asking $7,500. The event has a budget of $130,000. It's throughout a three-day weekend. I know it's a very busy event. How many roommates? $7,500. And I think this would be our... This is the third time they apply for funds. And funds would be destined for marketing and printing. I think that was the last year's request. I think... I don't remember if we funded them last year. I know they had the banners and some other things, but anyway, any discussion? And can we check and see if we have funded them in the past? And if so, what are the answers? Yeah, let me pull that one second. 2019, $2,500. 2020, we approved the 20, $2,500. I don't remember if... Because then you pulled the event, if we took that back. And then 2021, $2,500. Rafael, I just want to interject for one moment and let you know that the event organizer is on the line. So I'll go ahead and... Oh, yeah. Okay. Wonderful. Welcome. Chris. Oh, hello. Welcome. Thank you. Thanks for having me. I'm on my cell phone, so if you can't hear me, I'm sorry.  I think the first year was $2,500. The last two years was $5,000. Just so you know, this year we're requesting $7,500. We're returning to Old Courthouse Square. We've also teamed up with Visit Santa Rosa, so our event is now starting on June 2 with a Pride movie in the square in conjunction with Visit Santa Rosa. And then Friday night, usually we do not have any activities in downtown Santa Rosa. This year we're doing a meet and greet sort of cocktail hour on the square utilizing our stage. And then we're teaming up with the local restaurants in the downtown area to offer some sort of meal deal or some kind of incentive to get our folks off the square into restaurants. And then Saturday, we start with our parade. And the festival will be on the square. It sounds like we're going to actually be expanding the festival to take over more of Fourth Street as well. And then Sunday, we have a pool party in planning mode. It's either going to be at Great Rancheria or the Flamingo. We're waiting to ink our documents. We're still negotiating. So and then we also have additional events, plans later in the year. We have a family affair event which will be in July. But for the main part, we're here for the that weekend festival. About 30% of the people that attend the festival are from outside of our area, meaning like Sacramento, East Bay or San Francisco. And those numbers, all the demographics are in the package that we submitted at the time of the application. But I'm here, if you have any questions, thank you so much for your support. And thank you. Yeah, Chris, thank you so much. And good luck again on the event. All right, well, there you have all the information. And I'll start us out in the conversation just to thank Christopher and Pride, just a tremendous partner for everything that we're trying to do in Santa Rosa. Just, I can't speak highly enough of the partnership and what they're doing, particularly with their events and would really encourage us to stretch on this one if we can. I think this is just like we were talking about with food and beverage. We have one of the largest LGBTQ TI plus populations in California here in Sonoma County. And we should be celebrating that as often as possible. So, you know, I'm comfortable making a motion for the 75. We're currently at 15 right now. But just open that up for the conversation. I'm wondering if this is a three-day event, right? Correct. And it looks like it's starting a little earlier. I was thinking it was Memorial Day weekend. But I'm looking at my calendar. I mean, nope, that's not right. My thoughts are, I think it's a good event. It is kind of a already a high demand weekend. I'd be in favor of supporting it, but I'd be more comfortable around the $5,000 mark. Any further discussion, Dana? So my thought is with the dates that there is in question, I would say $5,000. That's a busy weekend anyway. Okay, yeah, it's a wonderful event. Been very supportive of, you know, bringing folks downtown, the parade, all of that takes into account. And just it seems to just really engage our city. I mean, all kinds of people come down to courthouse square. And I think I've even participated in the parade before, along with Santa Rosa PD. But I'm willing to go with six.  Yeah. Yes. I would second six. All right. So we have a motion for six. I think Donna, it was your second on that. Okay. So I'll make a motion for, to approve the 6,000 for the annual Sonoma County LGBTQI Pride Parade and Festival. Donna, second. All those in favor for six. All right. Any opposed? All right. That motion approved. Good luck, Chris. Thank you very much. Thank you again for your support and everything you do for the city of Santa Rosa and our public. All right. Moving on. We have, let's see, 1140. We got just two more items quickly. And thank you again for being here today. The 2022 DJ FE, and that stands for Dana Jones Fitness Foundation Triathlon. And it is a triathlon race series. It's on, it's in May. It's around the, uh, family, uh, community center and such. Anyway, the ask is $6,500. Sorry, $2,000. The total cost of the event to run is around 6,500, according to what Dana states in the application. And, uh, we've funded them before DJ FE. There was an application back in, uh, 2021. And, uh, I cannot confirm if we did not make the award because of COVID, but it was 70, uh, 750 times two. So, uh, we awarded the $5,500. But I'm not, like I said, I think the event may have been canceled and apologized. I don't have those notes. And that is the only time they've, they have come forward with an application. So this would be the second time. And again, the request is $2,000. And they want to utilize the funds for, I think, marketing. Yes. I'll make a motion to approve the, the $2,000 level. Okay. I'll second it. Okay. Thank you, Dana. Any, uh, further discussion? Okay. Any, uh, comments from the public? We have no hands raised at this time. Thank you, Eileen. All right. So, uh, all those, uh, in favor to approve the $2,000 for the DJ FE triathlon, uh, take a place on May 1st. Say aye. Aye. Okay. Opposed? All right. Motion approved. Thank you. All right. And last but not least, we have the returning Wednesday night market, Santa Rosa. Uh, now this one is kind of interesting. I believe it's the first time applying, uh, their request is for $6,000. You know, you guys know that to run this event, it's very costly. Uh, it's a Rambal Parfigure of $300,000 and $1,500,000. And, uh, this will be going on actually, uh, from May 18, which we're very excited about through August 31st of this year. I do have some notes here. Their request is to actually pay for a stage in, uh, and then regarding room nights, I mean, that varies. I know that there's a lot of musicians that come from out of town, uh, visitors. And of course, it'd be great to see, uh, the event back in action here in Courhouse Square. Any, uh, discussion? If somebody listed as public on the attendees, I just, I wonder if that's, is that the organizer by chance or is that somebody just from the public? Emily, do we have, um, public comment or do we have, uh, I will go ahead and I will go ahead and allow that person to speak. Um, I, because they're named public, I don't know who they are. I don't mean to force anybody to speak. It's just if, if that's the organizer, kind of like to hear from them since this is a slightly different request than we typically get. The individual who has signed in as public, um, I, I'm just going to give you a few seconds. If, if you are the organizer for this event, um, you have the ability to, to speak. Um, if not, well, I'll just go ahead and let you just continue to listen to the meeting. And if you have any difficulty speaking, you can go ahead and perhaps write a comment on the chat and then we'll know who you are. The chat is disabled. They have been given permission to speak and have opted not to. So I'm, I'm going to go ahead and, um, assume that this is not the event organizer. Raphael, if I may, I could add a little context for this one. Please, Tara. Hi everyone. This is my first time sitting in on this meeting. I'm Raphael's backup as city staff on the board. And, um, so I thought I could just add a little bit of context about the Wednesday night market. I'm the arts and culture manager for the city, but I also issue all the special event permits for events, um, that are on city property. So some of the ones that you are approving support for today, but not all. This one is, I think the first time it's coming to you, mainly because unfortunately the city has a separate event funding program called the community promotions fund, which is, um, not available this year to sponsor large events, community focused, free community focused events run by nonprofits. Those funds were reallocated during our COVID shutdown years. And so they will not be available again until 2023. That means that the Wednesday night market and a handful of other events that are run by nonprofits that are free for the public to attend, um, won't get the city sponsorship this year, which in most cases involved a lot of in crime services, police staffing, barricades, things like that. So, um, I think that they are seeking other funding, obviously to help with the event this year. And that's probably why they are there that you have an application before you. Thanks. Thank you, Tara. So do, um, we're ready to make a motion to approve. Um, again, the asking is $6,000. I personally am not in favor of this. I don't feel, um, that this is, again, I think if this is a great event and I think it's good for the community and, you know, I like going down the Wednesday night market, but I don't feel that this is what our funds are designated for. I feel that I don't think it's going to bring any tourists into the area. Again, it's a great event, but I personally am not in favor of supporting this. And I would agree with Todd, because as many years as it's been going on, I've never seen anybody stay here at the hotel that's come for the Wednesday night market. Thank you, Donna. Do you mind if I make a comment, Rafael? Yeah, absolutely. Please. I would just like to add a second layer of consideration for you that perhaps exact correlation to Room Nights is not apparent with this event. It does add to a community vitality and the destination that people do want to come and visit to have an event like this here in Santa Rosa.  Obviously, there's other, I think, resources that visit Santa Rosa put towards making sure those things are, are a part of this assessment fund. And so I would just, I would just urge a little bit of a broader perspective on what makes Santa Rosa attractive to tourists to begin with. And this is one of those events. Peter, any comments? Yeah, I mean, everybody knows that that's my, my view as well. And, you know, I would, I would be in favor of providing some support for Wednesday Night Market at 6000. That's, I, you know, I see that request different than some of the other requests coming in. And so, you know, I think it's totally legitimate to have a conversation about what amount is appropriate. But yeah, I mean, I agree with Tara in that I'd love to support events and, and make investments that, that build the, the vitality of the destination as a whole.  So I get it. All right, thank you. What amount are you thinking, Peter? Well, I'm not sure that I came in with a preset notion. We're at 23 by my math right now out of, so we today spent about half of our available funds. Charlene is here with us and I know that she's got a vision on what additional events might be coming through and y'all one of mine's given her some of your time for a second to, to highlight a couple of those maybe. Charlene? Sure, thanks. Thank you. I was also going to mention I believe the the amount 3,500 for the wine country distillery was last year's approval budget. So just maybe some clarity in that. But yes, we do have some larger events that will be applying and probably will come forth in the May meeting. So to keep those in mind, they are returning annual events such as the senior hockey tournament and possibly a few others in regards to beer fest. We've got country summer coming back and, you know, trying to touch base with those folks as well. So we've got a great year ahead of us with a lot of events returning, a lot of our annual events that we're so grateful to have that they've weathered the storm and they're going to be back, you know, with us. And certainly we all love to be partners with them and support what they do. Thank you Charlene. And the only thing I wanted to add was they do, you know, their own marketing, they market a lot of Napa, Marin, and, you know, sometimes that could potentially bring, you know, overnight stays. But I go back to, yes, community vitality. It puts Santa Rosa on the map. And I think they have a big plan for concerts. So there'll be some well-known musicians at the Wednesday Night Market this year. For a little bit more context on that, and Charlene, thank you for the information about additional events. You know, not to spend money or make decisions on applications, not before us, but, you know, things like country summer and the hockey tournament are certainly things that I would want to support. The Wednesday Night Market will be in the coming year, and hopefully many years to come, sort of a centerpiece of additional events in the square that, when combined, I think, would have a greater opportunity to bring in visitors. The Chamber is going to, for example, have a summer music series on Thursday, the following day, from the market, as well as have movie nights midweek, and then is looking at another potential Friday event through the summer. So all of those things put together and marketed collectively, I think, have probably a stronger opportunity to bring in overnight stays versus a singular event on its own. So I'd put that out there as a consideration as well.  Thank you, Peter. Any further discussion before we make a motion? I mean, I'd be willing to give a little, like, maybe 500 or something, but I don't, you know, we have several good events still coming up this year that I think would be more beneficial and are more in line with what I feel the funding is for. I'd be willing to do a small amount, but not 3,000. Can we do a 1,500 or 1,000? Given that I'm not so sure, well, the promotion, community promotions grant is not available. I think they're also running into some other costs, but some in-kind that was going to be provided, but no longer there. Is everyone comfortable with 1,500? No. I'll do 1,000. I don't, I really feel for the ones in the market, and I understand that they're in a bind, but I don't feel that our purpose is to bail out other organizations that are having a struggling right now if it doesn't fit into what we're doing, you know? I just, I would do 1,000, but that would be most everyone of you. All right. Member Anderson made a motion to approve $1,000. I'll second that. Donna, seconds. Any further discussion? Peter? I think Charlene raised your hand real quick. I was just going to throw in just saying that we're welcoming back our annual events, and I think that, you know, part of this is a renewal again, and giving folks some seed money again, and I think that we do have the opportunity to work with some of these events, like a Wednesday at market that we haven't worked with in the past, and maybe can look at some additional marketing opportunities for Visit Santa Rosa, for the destination, and so forth. So just another layer of thought. Thank you, Charlene. Yeah, I appreciate that, Charlene. As I was kind of alluding to before, right, where we'll look for we'll look for ways to support the Wednesday night market as well from the from the chamber and all of our programs, and so I'm ready to vote on the motion in the second. I think we do need to check the public comments. Yes, public comments. We do not have any hands raised at this time. All right, so all those in favor to approve the thousand dollars for the Wednesday night market, say aye. Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, motion approved. Thank you. We are about to finish. However, there is a department report. Department reports, yes, of course. So quickly, we will be planning a special meeting, and I do apologize for having to pull you back for a special meeting, but we need to vote. We have identified a potential member to the board, and we like to make a motion to approve his participation, and we also have two alternates, and that is my colleague Tara Thompson and this is Senator Rosa Charlene Lennon who will be joining us at these meetings. So that is about all I have to say, and anything else? Well, good work, everyone, and oh, Todd, you were going to... All right, well, great to see you all, and please look out for that day for the special meeting. I hope to make it in the next couple of days or so, and then, since I'm getting the staff report to send to the council. Thank you all very much. Have a great weekend, and we'll see you soon. Thanks, everyone. Go back.