Welcome back to the breakfast on plus TV Africa next conversation this morning is going to the of course a Reconciliation between that Tiku a bubaka and yes on weekend one of the stories that we shared in the news this morning is on the punch It says a Tiku Mitz weekend says a Nigerians waiting for the PDP in 2023 I'm gonna start with that And see how that that goes a good morning to our guests We have her first of all. Oh, sir and nanny who's joining us. Good morning. Thanks for joining us Great to have you we also have a risk management expert mr. Ibrahim or she know Thanks for joining us. Good morning All right, so let's start with the story in the punches morning the wait was reported it says a Tiku Mitz weekend says nine Nigerians waiting for the PDP in 2023 Have you both speak on that? I will start with mr. Sheena or quickly respond to that story Let's know what your thoughts are Good morning viewers and good morning friends and There's nothing really special about the headline Is Vice-president is excellent see a Tiku a bubaka visiting Govno wiki is no news He knows them the capacity of wiki when it comes to you know holding their practice Structure when it comes to funding when it comes to south south region and you know He's also working towards, you know nominating wiki possibly as his vice-president He knows that in coming back to Cliffs to tickets will be hard without wiki so wiki It's one of the strongest pillar of PDP. So It's not news at all. It's not a special about their, you know back to reconciliation, but what I'm against is Former vice-president saying is coming to take over from a PC. I think that's a daylight dreaming You know, so it's not a special about what they are doing. So wish them all the best and You are waiting for their candidates. Why do you just why do you describe it as a? Daylights dream like you've mentioned So many factors Yes, when the vice-president of this country, and he hasn't given so much opportunity to turn around things While he was there he refused to do that It's a Adam around the poverty level in that state is mongously huge Economist at that time when he was there, he didn't do much apart from privatization of few communication companies and of course It was actually championed by Former president So he didn't do much while he was a vice-president Rather he engaged in fighting his boss to stoop also. We are not expecting much from him, you know He's kidding. He's a delight economist now with a Ep of Formal of no big but of course we are sure that Even his relationship with the affair claiming that he's going to do Disopposedly, what is it called? Devolution of power. I'm very pretty sure that people Will not do that. Don't forget that it's member of a PC before is it found possibly found a member of a PC So we know what you can do. You have tested both side and we know him on both side as well So there's nothing special. It's just claiming of course Don't forget. I'm why is also dead a young man lawyer a former subgroups member a former speaker of Fira I probably don't know and the girl not a young man So and don't forget also. I'm trying to recall you which I'm sure you know as a as one of the sounding press Journalist I know you know that there is a huge relationship between wiki and Tamboa so Yeah, he's best shot in 2019. So I would like him to go on a retirement and See how this country I can support Episodes in terms of policy and of course if there are really a way he wants to resist point you can do that That's a lot. Okay, so let's uh, let's now move to us and Get your thoughts on this There of course has been have been postulations here and there with regards 2023 I hope that we'll have time to also, you know, bring in the possibility of These two persons that we've mentioned now instead supporting a younger more progressive candidate But let's start with your thoughts on their reconciliation first and also Statements with regards Nigerians eager to see the PDP back in power in 2023 Yeah Thank you. I thought we're coming on the political show. I didn't know it was a comedy show We're coming on just you know jumping off the back of the previous speaker's statements In 2019 articles called 11 million odd books. I don't see how any serious risk analyst I think introduced him as would dismiss the ambition of such a person Article was yes. He was vice president and yes He did need the private privateization exercise, which arguably was the most successful exercise that the passenger-led administration conducted between 1999 and 2003 So again, I don't see how you say he did nothing But then you actually point the only thing that arguably will be success the success story of that administration you remember the liberalization of telecom sector the correlation of the national industry including night help So it's really really curious when you speak about article and then you talk about the current state of Damawa for instance it I mean coming on here and talking about how it is you have failed and instead of blaming Buhari I start blaming Freddie by present the same banjo Article is a political force whether he's with the PDP or the APC Let's admit that just like we case a political force as well And it's instructive that I think we saw if it's to start his reconciliation tour with a visit to Port Harcourt and we case residents recall in the 2018 PDP primary there was a very public falling out when article one the primaries that was held that were held in Reversed this week at the time was also very public support in Tambua and I took a one that primary is in we case back You know, so it's it's good news I think for the party in particular that we are seeing this reconciliation and You know projecting forward to 2023 where President Buhari will not be on the ballot If you see these two political job in us coming together to push for people policies And to kick the PDC out of power. I don't think can you see what political analysts with dismisses That's why I started like by saying that, you know, I thought we're coming here to the Scott politics not To your to your actual question you asked about what this means for the PDP. I think And it's really unfortunate just giving the six years that the APC has been in power I I think the report card is out on them already You know, we're seeing record levels of unemployment record levels of inflation record levels of insecurity I think I saw a budget analysis come out that for every night one naira that Nigeria generates About 97 cobalt goes to service debt. We're even still boring more debt We just thought if you send news where the US are blocked and the sale of arms to Nigeria And you know, you just sort of like see a perfect storm Coming together against the APC and what about ten disease and be sure they may have Editing into 2023 and the PDP really doesn't have to do anything the APC seems to be on the course of inclusion you saw Kayamu the other time yesterday or a couple of days ago Writing that the APC primary slated for tomorrow shouldn't hold because of the Supreme Court judgment in the one door case You are seeing tensions and friction between the tinnable tendency and the Buhari tendency in the APC I'm worried, you know, because I think for democracy you need to have to buy brands Political parties sort of like butting heads against each other and I'm worried that an implosion of the APC might affect Nigeria's and democratic Journey, I believe the people will win, but I would like to see, you know a more coherent Political party or more coherent need actually from the party in power Okay, so let's move over from the PDP now and speak a little bit about the APC I would like to also speak about their similarities because there's a lot of people who are also saying they don't even want either of both parties in 2023 Miss Alshinol, let's get you to respond with regards to Implosion like Osean Nenny has just mentioned in the APC There seems to be some levels of crisis here and there with the newspapers this morning carry all of them are speaking about Boonee and the crisis with regards, you know his position in the APC Would you agree that the APC is imploding and you know, it's the internal crisis may, you know, be its biggest problem 2023 You know, I Would not want to join issue with you know Subsection of the media who believes that What the PDP agents, you know the cyber agents are doing all those people that is speaking for Maybe one or two presidential can be they trying to scuffle up what knows? Let me use this common word that common word, what knows into the affairs of the APC If you try to look at the Supreme Court the leading judgment of the Supreme Court He never that judgment never at any points against the leadership of his excellency Govnamin Malabuni as the leader of the party and I'm wondering where of course First of all, he had the right you know to submit his own legal opinion and we look at what the legal rights of the party Chivniya Ketola SCN He has made his own presentations and also scrutiny of the government, you know the government also does not Describe or ascribe certain positions on the leadership of the party So the legal we have of course the party has set up their legal team Now we look into the judgment and how the Congress will hold and I can I'm happy to tell you that the Congress will hold But PDP don't mind all these, you know, you know, noisemakers on the on the new challenge, you know given, you know What's my friend didn't we see Bole Kaja legal advice on the internet the party will go on The party's Congress what Congress will go on a schedule tomorrow, and I can assure you that there's no legal because anyway So we are going on with the party Congress and simultaneously we're gonna go on with the world's role and the state and Finally the convention. So our advice Those who are submitting the opinions on the internet on the TV to keep that to themselves Particularly I will advise PDP to focus more on the party. They are losing in terms They are losing national assembly members. They are losing governors into our party. So I wonder this what's my friend Anna is saying About APC maybe he's not living in this country. Maybe doesn't know when article is the member of APC Maybe doesn't know when article is running up and down to come to a piece living one party to another Understand, so I I don't think it's living in this country Then if it does they should try and go back and do his research very well, okay You know I think I would like to touch on that people because he made some a fashion You're gonna allow me to make those point that APC The PDP does not need to do anything. Of course, you are not doing anything in most of the states You are you are not doing anything. That's what those close notes are leaving. San Fray left member in left The gentleman what was his name also left the other go down also about three governors left national assembly member Is a stronger the PDP Delta state left to APC so what I wonder what is talking about so I will advise that We should be serious. He said he doesn't know what why a risk manager should show a risk Of course Yeah, I'm letting you speak I'm just saying I want you to you know quickly say this the the reason the PDP governors are moving to the APC is it because the PDP is not currently seen as a strong enough party or the APC is doing exceptionally well and Everybody wants to be associated with it One let me tell you I am a Democrats If you look if you go through my profile, I'm a Democrat. I expect a very very bad position, you know Which is a condos leadership is in question One of the party member in a those that are sticking the leadership of issues a condos to cut We can have wishes a condos. They are knowing what a allegation of corruption on on the end of BLC led by Secondos So APC at this point in time This is a party that invested so much in human capacity development in terms of of course Let's minus the COVID era that took almost a year of this administration In terms of infrastructure in terms of what you know, the Greatest catastrophe that this country must have with it where we must have witness if the federal government did not manage the COVID issue very well and Everybody in this country including the foreign missions and all that and the West acknowledge the effort of President Monodewari by handling the COVID issue In this country US for that matter Almost almost 600,000 of their citizens lost their life to COVID. They started all the all they have at their disposal So I want that when somebody, you know You know, you know, you know, we need to be serious in this country Some people just come up online or on TV and say things without even Godfrey mind mine. What can you say? Nation that has so far the COVID look at India in this country this government this present episode of me Manage this despite all the shortfall in all capacity and revenue Manage the COVID issue All right They will see the effort of the federal government. They will see what the party is doing. That's why we are attracted to so many Nigerians That's why they want to All right, thank you Also, nanny quickly your response to that The the strength of the PDP as it stands currently the defections of its governance to the APC and You know, do you do you see the PDP currently as a stronger position party? as You know, so, you know, like I said, it seems I'm on a comedy show What's the the clearest measure of investment in human capital capital development? It's your education budget year on year from double gd is almost 20% Budgeting that the PDP was doing in 2014 and education were down to about 6% So how anybody we sit here and tell me that when you're investing 6% in your educational sector, you are investing in human capital It's it's it's frankly ridiculous, you know And at the point when we say what Democrats led the series So I'm a PDP member and it was this type of hubris that cost the APC in River states where they didn't have any candidates this same hubris It was what cost APC in Zamfara where they didn't have any candidates this same hubris It was the same hubris that cost them in Biosa an election that they won freely and fairly But this same hubris let them to lose it And if you are a Democrat you will say that every election should be a reflection of the will of the people But when you have political actors putting personal ambitions over their own laid-down principles and guidelines You have this type of chaos that APC is is is is projecting So, you know, you you say for instance that it is PDP actors who are talking about the understate judgement What APC is doing is not my business It is first of all a single advocate of Nigeria and the minister of state of APC That is warning the APC It is the specialist senior special advisor and political affairs to the president Ojutu senator Ojutu that is one of the APC. It is senator Ita Iyam that is one of the APC So how anybody will sit here and dismiss these these warnings as the postulation of social media Erads, I think he called it. It's frankly befodling and It confuses me and my con and my worry honestly my worry is that If it happens and APC holds the Congress, it's in all likelihood that we will challenge it And you might have a situation where you don't have APC candidates on the ballot and no Democrat wants that Whether the APC wins or the PDP wins. No Democrat wants to see a single state single party state and that's the direction the hubris of the APC pushing this country into You know, so I want you to also when you talk about the the Chances of the AP of the PDP in 2023. Yeah, I'm talking mostly about the defections now and and you know the strength of the PDP as an opposition party You know, he's pointed out three governors who have defected, you know, and some National Assembly members You know, what's your response to that, you know, and does it In Zamfara state for instance where Matawaji The governor who won that election and saying it's on television the governor who won the APC governor Who won scored about 500,000 votes Matawaji scored a hundred thousand votes Zamfara is an APC state so any politician who has is looking at his future and wants to to Continue succeeding or winning in the states. He had he literally had no choice He was not elected by the people. So we all knew in the AP in the PDP that he would defect The point is take off now who lefts made it made it was very clear that he was looking for space or Articulation of his presidential ambitions. That's why he left. It was for nothing else.  This democracy is barely 16 years 16 or the 22 years old And so you see people moving from space to space and it's funny He didn't mention the adult state governor who was an APC governor who left and came to the PDP and won an election And I'm not going to talk about that because in in in as as our politics evolves You will see people trying to find expression in spaces that they are comfortable in and now the adult state governor is Berserk is comfortable in the APC. We saw in 2018 Five PDP governors and 49 set legislators left the PDP to the APC. They have all come back Articul was one of them. Saraki was one of them. Shea Husani was one of them So when anybody comes here and says oh hang on people have defected so therefore that means it doesn't it betrays I think a lack of understanding of the nature of evolving And young democracies democracies like the PDP is I expect for instance that Leading into 2023 you will see a lot more defections from the PDP to the APC and from the APC to the PDP When their political ambitions are denied when we hold our primaries, it's inevitable And I and I and I think it's responsible to put it out there that that's the nature of our politics today When we have concrete ideologies, maybe in 50 years time when you know that if you are in the APC, you are a socialist And if you are in the PDP you are a republican or Conservative Democrat, then you see people start aggregating along those lines. But right now they are People used to express their political ambitions. All right quickly.  It might be too early There's still a lot of time, you know to make these decisions to hold congresses and to Possilitarian there But would you, you know, be feeling that it's necessary that we start to look for a young and progressive Minded candidate for the next elections. I'll start with the APC and of course You can also speak with regards to PDP Atiku Abu Bakar, you know, there's two rumors that he might want to run again Would you advise that he maybe should instead push a younger, you know, a more progressive minded candidate? Mr. Sashino, well, let's start with you with that Well, thank you. Um, we are of course the party has commenced the process of selecting our candidates And what I can assure you is that we're going to bring out the best of all Um, in terms of shown vibrance and, you know, and people's candidates that will satisfy Um, the need of Nigeria and so the process has commenced. Of course, we're starting our congress tomorrow That we'll be able to determine that in future. I can't actually say, you know, who and who is going to be the candidate of the party But of course those factors just mentioned Um, we'll be highly considered in terms of, you know Selecting our candidates Um, also, I would advise, uh, or say my dear friends to, um, use this opportunity of, you know, uh, revalidation We can still give him some time to join our party, you know I can see him as my friend who is also a young man who can actually contribute to our party You know, you can join. I'm giving you an invitation I can send you a link or ask one or two Registration of public from your state to give you the opportunity a waiver for that matter Of course, because don't forget I think we're still coming back to a pc So I can tell you that for free. So you ask my friend and I can I'm inviting you I'm using this medium To invite you to join the mpc. So I don't want them to leave you All by yourself at the end of the day. So I can assure you my dear friend that our party, um Who will bring out the best candidates that will, you know, that will suit the nicks of nigerians and don't forget What you mentioned about kiyamu kiyamu is the lawyer. I have known kiyamu in the last 25 years I know him too well, especially his opinion does not mean he's right My friend also continued to mention names and names and names But you forget to mention names for people Who have who are alleging? your Your party about embezzlement of funds Most of your governors are hungry with the leadership of the party. I can tell you I said something earlier about For my president article article is someone someone I respect so much You don't see I send power a lot of people But I can tell you this time around if they like they should take the part They should take the the the convention's weakest back at it can never Let it share all the dollar In the interest of time I can tell you the dollar will know what this time around All right, in the interest of time in the interest of time, let's bring in osan any to quickly also speak on that So, osan, please, you can join our party. I'm extending my invitation to you. Please my dear brother Would you um, you know look, you know that the pdp instead puts forward a younger more progressive minded candidate for 2023 Um, I want to thank my brother for the invitation to join the apc Um and now to urge all Nigerians, uh, you know get involved in politics whether it's with the apc or with the pdp But get involved in politics. It matters. Um moving ahead to potential candidates in the pdp and apc and I think we have a few shining stars for instance If was a simban job by president simban joe was on the apc ticket in 2023 I would be solely tempted to join if you see and support its candidates. Thank you so much. Don't worry I would I would monitor your money. I would monitor your membership number. Don't worry On the pdp on the pdp side, uh, we have People like bokola saraki His young his vibrant he has shown capacity as a governor and as a senate president We have peter b who was exceptional as an umbrella state governor We have people that share mark in the who who who is the young first time governor But who is sort of like raising the bar on what governor should be like? Um, and if you're looking at independent candidates, you know the star It's the standard performer would obviously be This gentleman professor kings the morgue allu. So we don't we don't lack for People across the political spectrum who can lead Nigeria and can govern Who are young who are progressive minded? And but I think the problem is and this is speaking to as a pdp member and also to the apc We have institutional structures and gatekeepers who sort of filter out these candidates So i'm hoping that you know, we we we see a more equitable representation of of Capacity and ability in our primaries in the apc primaries and in the pdp primaries Looking forward to it. And of course, we'll be here to have these conversations when these things play out Thank you very much to ibrahim Oshinawa for joining us and for sharing your thoughts with us this friday morning and to us and then he also I really appreciate you both. Thanks for joining us It was a pleasure Thank you. Thank you so much. All right on sports and the nigeria's Interest and performance at the olympics blessing or category, of course, I'll quickly share that with you qualified yesterday after heat She finished in 11.04 11.05 seconds. I remember But she has of course qualified But of course that will come up in sports this morning And of course the 10 athletes that have been, you know, sent back from the toky olympics As a result of a failure to do proper Testing This is where we wrap up this morning. Thank you for joining us. If you missed out on any of these conversations Remember catch us on social media. It is simply at plus tv africa on facebook and instagram Or subscribe to our youtube channel at plus tv africa and plus tv africa lifestyle. I am osao. Yeah, oh Thank you very much for watching


Now, today it's also saying I'm live, and I'm going to believe that it's telling me the truth, unlike yesterday. Apologies to you video viewers. YouTube just blew it. And even though it told us we were live, didn't stream for 30 minutes and didn't record those 30 minutes. So my wife works at YouTube. What are you going to do? You ready, Justin? Oh, yeah. Here we go. The Daily Tech News show with Tom Merritt is powered by Patreons like you. From five cents to fifty bucks, every contribution helps Tom and company produce fresh episodes of essential tech news. To learn more and support the show, visit patreon.com slash ace detect. And thanks for listening. This is The Daily Tech News for Thursday, October 29th, 2015. I'm Tom Merritt. Joining me today, Mr. Justin Robert Young, host of Politics, Politics, Politics, as well as Night Attack and many others. Yeah. No, I've launched a new podcast. It is covering the horse race of politics from a fairly detached point of view. You can check it out on iTunes and SoundCloud. But what I'm really here for is to bring you guys the straight dope tech news that you deserve as I bring that could be misinterpreted. I almost tried to split it up, you know, that old joke.  Yeah, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to do that. We're going to do that. We're going to do headlines. As promised, Nintendo announced the first smartphone game, Mi Tomo, M-I-I-T-O-M-O. It's first smartphone game. Game will have customizable Mi avatars that can communicate with other Mi avatars, emphasizing social interaction. They compare it to Tomodachi Life on the 3DS in the Verge article. If you're shy, the Mi avatars can handle making conversation automatically for you. Mi Tomo is free, but will sell in game purchases for character add-ons. And the first game is not coming until next year. They were expected to launch this by the end of 2015, but Mi Tomo won't release until March 2016. Nintendo plans to release four additional mobile games after that by March 2017, which the Verge says will be traditional paid games. Thanks to Guy from Trinidad and Jamfat both for submitting stories about this announcement in the subreddit. So what do you think? Nintendo's big move to mobile.  It's not an action adventure game. It's not something that is a traditional puzzle game, which has a lot of female adoption traditionally in terms of that gender breakdown. This is something that is obviously youth-oriented. It is a communication platform, which is also very interesting. We've seen gigantic adoption and willingness to try new platforms from youth on mobile phones to talk to each other and communicate each other in different kinds of interesting ways. It's very, very interesting. This is where they look to go with their first game. What I'm curious about is why announce it when you're not going to launch it for another five months? Took the words right out of my mouth. They have been so good at not over teasing their smartphone games and building up unreasonable expectations. Everyone's kind of wondering if they announced this in March and it comes out the next day. I think a lot of people are excited to try it out. Now that you're going to have, you know, five months to think about, okay, so it's essentially a big version of the Wii startup screen. I mean, they can build that excitement back up and I'm sure they will, but it does seem like an odd choice. And it's also odd that it's not a big thundering IP, right? That it's not a Mario, that it's not a Zelda, that it's not a Mario card or something like that, which we've already seen clones of from all manner of, you know, Angry Birds and stuff like that. I can think of all kinds of reasons to say this is the the me, tommy, which will integrate with our Zelda game and our mark, you know, something like that and announce them all at once. But again, the timing of the announcement is weird. Yeah, I totally agree. Reuters reports alphabet has announced agreements with Indonesian telcos, a telkmosel, telkmosel, an Indoset to bring internet by balloons to Indonesia. Project Loon uses solar powered balloons at 5000 meters to deliver 10 megabytes internet through radio signals to ground based antennas. Alphabet will deploy hundreds of balloons over Indonesia in 2016. Alphabet's Mike Cassidy also told the BBC that Project Loon plans to launch more than 300 balloons worldwide next year to make a continuous string around the world in the Southern Hemisphere. It's Project Loonacy. They've also been talking deals with Sri Lanka, Argentina, a few others. And they're definitely going to launch this in the Southern Hemisphere, but it's become a race to see who can bring that rural internet. And I know when we say rural here in the United States, a lot of times you think Illinois farmland or something like that, we're talking about in Indonesia hundreds and hundreds of islands that make it very difficult to string infrastructure. Balloons floating over that can suddenly make that a lot more possible. On a larger level, and obviously this is something that Google or Alphabet can really sink their teeth into and try out different technologies and see where things are feasible with these developing countries in the Southern Hemisphere. But the larger picture here is internet and data as a commodity. Like the idea that we can see different and new pathways to everybody connecting for cheaper prices and specifically something that could, even if it's low capacity, not a lot of data, 10 megabytes. It's very usable for mobile or for what people get guaranteed in their homes. It's interesting to look at solutions that don't involve digging holes in the ground. And therefore in America and many of the Western world requires regulation and stuff like that. This is very interesting. Well, in Indonesia, it requires a lot of cooperation with the government. It's not pretend it doesn't. But 10 megabits per second is about what you're going to get from your LTE service. So, oh yeah, I think that. And Pat on the back to both of us for avoiding cloud services puns. Buzzfeed reports that Siri is coming to Apple Music on Apple TV, turning it into a voice controlled music player. Siri already is going to work for finding movies and TV shows on the latest Apple TV. Let's start in early next year. You can pick up your Apple remote, say play Taylor Swift's 1989 again and Siri will do it for you. Even in your wildest dreams, Tom, this out of the woods is something that, you know, when Apple announced the new Apple TV, it felt to me like they were going after the Alexa market or going after the like passive controlling a bunch of different things that this is their soft play into, hey, you want to know what? We can add elements of like, we can control your lights and we can control all this other stuff that, you know, and make it, you know, put it in the Apple ecosystem. So, this does not surprise me and it is kind of a continued victory for Apple on Siri, which much maligned when it's launched is incredibly usable on the Apple Watch and the iPhone and has continued to become more and more reliable. Other side of this story though is why didn't you launch with it? And when I pick up my Apple TV at the store tomorrow, why can't I use it to control music right now? Why do I have to wait until next year? You got to wonder if it, is that, is that a rights thing? Is that something that they got to clear? No, it's a programming thing. I'm pretty sure. So it just wasn't where it needed to be. It couldn't interact with the database. I mean, what they wanted to do is you'd be able to say like, show me some action adventure movies starting right in Gosling, right? And there's, there's some machine intelligence behind that. And so they just hadn't got the, the Siri working as well with the music catalog as they had with the television catalog. And I guess that, but that's a huge thing though, because they do want to keep that momentum. They want Siri thought of as a reliable way to interact with your devices and not the buggy mess that it was initially when it started. Twitch has launched a new landing page dedicated to non-gaming quote unquote creative content at twitch.tv slash creative. The page features hashtags for drawing, art, Photoshop, painting, cosplay, programming, cooking, and more. The company says creative content has been growing 40% a month, 40% month over month, twice the site wide average, which is promoting the launch by streaming all 403 episodes of Bob Ross's The Joy of Painting starting at 5pm Eastern Thursday.  Yeah, this is going to be our main discussion topic, but it mostly because of the, the strange, torturous journey of Justin TV to twitch gaming to fluffy little clouds streaming live to this afternoon. It just makes me, I'm looking over at my grandma's painting that I have hanging over there. I should have put it behind me that she made because she watched Bob Ross all the time and got into painting and thinking, wow, what would she think of this beat on twitch? And how would I explain what twitch is to her? Yeah, and how would you tell her how to turn off the comments? Yeah, exactly. Let's save that for the discussion, but cool. I think a very positive and cool and interesting thing, but I got thoughts. ZDNet reports that OnePlus announced an invite will be coming to you, maybe. Invites are coming for its new OnePlus X to start rolling out November 5th. The OnePlus X has a 1920 by 1080, 441 pixel per inch display, 13 megapixel main camera, micro USB port, two SIM slots. You can either do dual SIM if you're in one of the markets where that's popular or the manufacturer can make one that's one nano SIM and one micro SD card. Runs OnePlus's Oxygen OS, that's based on Android 5.1.1, but it's OnePlus's own spin, kind of like the MIUI. Black glass Onyx edition is going to sell for 269 euros in Europe, 199 pounds in the UK and 250 bucks in the US. Well, a limited edition ceramic model will be available for roughly 100 euros more. Do we want a ceramic phone? I mean, for 100 euros more? No. That was the lost version of the man with no name Trilogy, you know? We think of, especially because we were just talking about Bob Ross, I think we're both thinking like fragile ceramics, but don't forget ceramic tiles are used on space shuttles and stuff like that. I just think that they should promote it with the clip from the movie Ghost, and it should be Demi Moore making a ceramic phone. Samsung reported 51.6, is that an old reference? I mean, it's probably really good. We were just talking about Bob Ross, man, everything, all of it's good now. Yeah, this is straight out of 1991. Samsung reported 51.6 a trillion of revenue, up 8.9 over last year with profits of 6.39 trillion won, up 82%. That's 7.39 trillion. 7.39 trillion won, up 82%. He corrected himself. In spite of splitting the contract to make the A9 chip with TCMC or TSMC, Samsung semiconductor business powered the company with nearly half of the profits for the quarter. Its display panel business also was a strong contributor. Samsung also has devices, businesses which increased its revenue but saw profits decline due to lower prices. I think Samsung should get out of that phone business. It seems like it just loses the money. It is amazing where that's come too. This is something that five years ago, we were talking about the very idea of Android being permanently altered if Samsung decided to really fork that OS and make it their own. It was like the greatest worry amongst the Android ecosystem. Now, I don't think that what you said, you certainly said it in a humorous way, but it's not that much of a joke to Samsung. Why are they still building these? Why are they trying to keep up with the jobs in Apple and make these high-end devices that are getting crowded out of the market and aren't making them the money that it wants to. When people say, oh, Samsung's going to die, I laugh and I decide not to reply to their comment on the forum that I'm looking at because Samsung's not going to die. Samsung's got very strong divisions. Samsung phones, on the other hand, if you clarify yourself, I still don't think it's going to die, but that is a business that is very challenging to be in right now if you want it to be a growth business. Yeah, because it's a very mature market and they don't have a ton to differentiate themselves anymore. When the USFCC passed new open internet guidelines, many worried it would discourage investment. So John Brodkin at Ars Technica took a look at the first quarter since the implementation of the rules in June to see where we are. Here's a sampling. You should definitely go read the article if you're interested in this. Comcast increased capital expenditures 12.8% compared to the prior year as of September 30th. Time Warner Cable increased capital expenditures for the year, year over year, Q3 remained even though. Verizon wireless capital investment is up 8.4%. T-Mobile is flat year over year, AT&T up slightly, just a little bit year over year and Sprint hasn't reported their numbers yet. They won't do that until next Tuesday. So overall, the first quarter under open internet guidelines showing moderate to robust investment. We'll see if that continues. And of course, if you're one of the people who still believes that it's a drag on investment, you can always argue that they might have invested more had they not had these guidelines to deal with. But it's an interesting look at this that Brodkin did over there. And it is ultimately so hard to understand what wasn't spent. And it is the source of argument amongst economists until the end of time. But at the same time, this is such a tangled issue on whether or not their arguments pan out or is almost kind of, I think, missing the boat on what exactly these regulations do, how much these companies have held back investment and fought against, you know, investing more or smarter technology. So it's very interesting to watch. Samsung will begin selling its 18 inch tablet, the Galaxy View on November 16th in the U.S. $599 gets you 32 gigs of storage, 802.11 AC Wi-Fi, two gigs of RAM, and a 1.6 gig processor and micro SD card slot. An LTE version is coming, but the carrier is yet to be announced. 18 inch tablet also known as a small table. I don't want to get too much into picking on a particular reporting of this, but the Verge made a big deal about the $599 price tag on this as being too expensive. And I don't know that I agree. I feel like if you're going to buy an 18 inch tablet, I think the bigger question is what are you going to use it for? There are uses, but I don't see them as being massively adopted. But $599 seems like a perfectly reasonable price for that. What I think people are missing with the massive tablets is that they, and you see this a lot in the Bay Area, that tablets, although maybe not the consumer devices because of the lack of ubiquitous mobile data and the way that we have them on our larger phablet kind of phones, are gigantic when it comes to non-consumer uses. There is almost every place that I go to has an iPad or some kind of branded tablet as a cash register. A lot of people, I wouldn't be shocked if you saw a lot of these larger tablets in the middle of tables at restaurants. So two people across from each other could each look at a menu and hit buttons. There's a tremendous opportunity for these larger things that I think we're kind of missing because we're just thinking, why do you need an iPad or a consumer tablet? I went to an event last night and instead of going to the normal lobby and signing in at the kiosk they have there, they had like a dozen tablets out, which was very smart. We're expecting a big crowd.  Yeah. DJ Sikhani wanted us to mention the stern warning. Google Chrome engineer Ryan Sleavy gave Symantec over the issuance of browser security certificates. If you hadn't seen this, Symantec was caught issuing thousands of unauthorized transport layer security TLS certificates and as a result fired several employees. So as of June 1 next year, June 1, 2016, Chrome has warned it will require Symantec to publicly log all certificates at issues or risk Chrome flagging sites with Symantec certificates as potentially unsafe, which would essentially ruin the market of anyone wanting to buy a certificate from Symantec. Sleavy also expects Symantec to undergo a point-in-time readiness assessment and third-party audit, something that certificate authorities usually only do to become certificate authorities in the first place. The article at Ars Technica calls it getting called into the principal's office essentially. Yeah. How often do we see stuff like this? Very rare. Yeah. Because it seems like this is somebody's full-time job to look into these kinds of issues and talk to these companies behind the scenes, but going public with something like that seems very, very, very rare. It's not something that I remember reading about. It's a symptom of a breakdown in communication. I mean, the story behind this story here a little bit is that Symantec originally said, yeah, well, okay, we see some weirdness. Google, you're right. There's 23 weird certificates. We're going to look into this. It affects you and Chrome and a couple other people. And Google said, keep looking. And they found thousands. And so the fact that they didn't even do the first response well implies that there's a little bit of a breakdown in trust and communication going on here. Sony continued good financial news buoyed by profits from its gaming sensor and semiconductor units and favorable foreign exchange rates. It's sensors, which has been the cash cow for Sony, saw an increase in profit 29% year over year and semiconductors saw profit rise of 15%. Meanwhile, gaming saw profit rise of 10% that outweighs drops in profitability from the mobile and financial division. Now, I held back some of what I wanted to say about the Samsung story because it applies to Sony as well. We're seeing two companies struggling, Sony much more than Samsung, let's be fair, in making mobile profitable. Sony's had a bigger problem since they took it away from a joint venture with Ericsson, really making Sony phones work. And a lot of people think it's going to go to the way of Vio, where Sony just spun Vio out. They said we're not in that business anymore. And I think it is part of what may be a larger trend of companies who saw telephones, cell phones as a profitable expanse of their portfolio, realizing that this is a startup game now. This is a commodity game and it's not something that's going to bring in the bucks and growth that it did. And so you see Sony and Samsung maturing into parts makers essentially where they can make lots of money off sensors and chips. Although Sony for as troubled as they can be in other issues, they do have one big famous area in which they are doing well, which is gaming and console gaming is something that on the other end, it's big competitor here in the United States is the Xbox in the battle for the living room. And that is the division that you've heard now for what, two years that that Microsoft might want to spin off because it doesn't mesh with where they are looking to go. So good on Sony for making, you know, seeing. Yeah. And I won't make too much out of this, but being successful in game consoles right now is not a guarantee of future success. No. I may be wrong about this game consoles may find their niche as basically your living room computer. It's very likely that they will. And Sony can take advantage of that if it happens. But it could also end up being, hey, I was number one in PDAs in 2005. Oops. You know, our number one in GPS devices. Game consoles may come under threat from other devices. I'm not saying it's going to happen one way or another. That's a questionable arena, though. It's not a guarantee. And the big question is we are kind of at the end of the super hotness new baby a period for both the Xbox One and the PS4. You know, after this Christmas, you would we now get into the reduced price console. And, you know, you better hope that you have the games that keep people wanting to come and adopt your platform because everybody who wants it, unless they're just, you know, they're five and turning six and they're able to, you know, bug their parents for one is, you know, they're going to kind of have it already. And it's going to start to be old hat. And Nintendo looks like it's going to accelerate its console cycle. It's not going to ride the Wii U as long as it rode the Wii. So that may put some pressure on people or I may not. We'll see. That, my friends are the headlines. Thank you for submitting your suggestions. It really does help us. Please do submit your votes. Let us know what you want to hear. If something gets five votes in our subreddit these days. That's that's not a lot. That's not enough to pay attention to. So get in there and vote on the stories you want to hear us talk about daily tech news show dot reddit dot com. And that is a look at the headlines. All right, man. Twitch TV just in TV found founded in the mid 2000s was all about streaming because it could be done. Yeah, then it noticed. Hey, you know what? That gaming section of ours is really taking off and they turned it into Twitch. They basically spun it out. It was kind of a controversial decision at the time. Like really, it's been in the just gaming. And of course, as we all know, that was exactly the right thing to do. They ended up closing down just in TV, sold Twitch to Amazon for millions. It is one of the most successful websites out there. It's certainly the premier gaming streaming video site in existence. And it's now doing the same thing that Justin did, which is saying, Hey, we've noticed that a bunch of people are doing this and it's pretty popular. The creative side, the artists, the painters, the makers, cosplay people have been growing their viewers at 40% per month while Twitch on average grows at a very healthy 20% a month. So it seems like a smart thing to do to say, well, we're going to create a place for them under Twitch and see how it goes. But Justin, you know, as well as I do, that Twitch has been also very much about cracking down on people if they don't do gaming content. Yes. Now are you ready for this, Tom? I'm ready. I have a disclosure to make. I was born ready. My wife does a Twitch creative stream cooking and has been for the past month or so. It is very successful so far and popular. So please take my bias for what it is and that hopefully can add to the rich tradition of wife disclosures here on this show. Especially regarding streaming video companies. So here's what's interesting is that what Twitch realized is that the medium is the message. It wasn't just the jack of all trades. Hey, here's a live streaming solution because that will always be a commodity and we know because we've traveled between, you know, as independent content creators who love to live stream and love to connect with a live audience, we've migrated from the Ustreams to the Justin TVs to the Google Hangouts and eventually we wound up rolling our own because that was just what was easier for us. What Twitch realized is that you can't just have it be a thing. It's got to be the place for this getting streamed. And so that's why gaming blew up. Gaming blew up because they grew a culture around that product. It was involved in the chat, in the emotes, in the fact that there's trend pieces being written about the Kappa icon. It was recognizing a culture and fostering it. When you say they grew it, it wasn't like they grew it from nothing, right? They noticed a culture and like let's lean into that. Yes, of course. It was there. People loved gaming. People loved watching other people game and people loved YouTube tutorials about gaming before Twitch blew up. But what it did do is create its own culture. It is now distinct. It is something that they have their own in-jokes. They have their own, you know, part of the motivation for people to get partnered and to get bigger on Twitch is to have your own emotes and then being able to show them off in other chat rooms and people coveting them. Everything kind of drives itself internally. What is fascinating here is we are now seeing that Twitch, that their grand plan is, hey, we're always going to get pushed on, well, is this exactly gaming content? You know, is it enough to talk about games? If you're doing a podcast about talking about games, how much of that needs to be game content? If you want a 15-minute digression into whether or not Bernie Sanders will be president, is it up to the Twitch mod to yank your stream because that's not gaming content? Scott Johnson and Brian Ibbid have fought this when they were doing the morning stream talking about not gaming and some mod came in and threatened to shut them down. Yeah, absolutely. So where you are now is understanding that there's always going to be pushback and by keeping those boundaries, which has led to the success of that site, you need to sanction different fiefdoms. There have been people who do great creative content, including our friend of our group, Viking Last, who does an amazing art stream on Twitch Creative and has for months. Domestic Dan is another cooking streamer that has done particularly well on Twitch Creative. This is something that is vital for the continued expansion of Twitch. Twitch will always succeed until there is some game-changing kind of technology or YouTube gaming continues to do. If that does really well, then you'll see some competitive market for the game streamers. But for Twitch to continue to build outward, they need to build these fiefdoms. This is crucial. But it's a different way of going about building them because in the past, and what JustinTV did, and this is probably where they decided to learn and do something different, you would say, everybody can do whatever and then we'll see what takes off. And what Twitch has done here is said, no, you're doing gaming. At least has to be connected to gaming. But then noticed that, hey, there's some people who do gaming who then switched to cooking or painting or something. And because they do gaming, sometimes we're fine with that. We're not going to try to do a heavy hand. But we noticed that those particular creative ones are taking off. So let's loosen the restrictions a little more. Let's say, hey, those of you who were never into gaming, but want to do a painting or cooking or robotics making channel, you're welcome here now. We've changed our policy to specifically allow you. Now, the interesting thing I wanted to look at was the new rules of contact of conduct, because they say the process of creating an entirely original work or original content that could be copyright protected. I think that's an interesting way of going about it. In other words, they're trying to say, basically, you can't do public domain remix with creative comments here. They're saying it has to be your original work that you could claim a copyright on. Broadcast that involve replicas or derivative creations, remix stuff of other copyright holders content may be subject to takedowns by a rights holder. So they're being very strict about this. And they're also saying performances will be allowed as long as they're about original works. Broadcast that focus entirely on performance of preexisting material are not permitted. So that said is basically like, look, you have to be doing something, you have to be creating something, you have to be showing something, and that's fine. They call it tangible. And then they say a song is an example, and a song is not tangible. But they're basically saying you have to be creating an end product that's yours to do it. We're narrowly defining it that way. But then they specifically call out cooking, PC building, showing your Twitch broadcast setup, furniture hacks, as long as you're not just assembling a piece of IKEA, but you're modifying it some way, that's allowed. Model making, those are the things that they specifically in the rules of conduct say yes, these are examples of things you can do that you can do now, not listed there DJing, right? Or let's say you're performing a play that normally you have to buy the rights for even if you're a high school, you know, you got to buy the rights to Peter Pan to do it. This is this would be not allowed. This would be just replicating a preexisting work, even though those are understood artistic avenues. I wonder if we could do this show on Twitch creative. That's the thing that that was the fact and not that I want to, but would it qualify because we're not creating anything original, except for a podcast. And if they call a song a tangible product is not a podcast episode tantamount to a song, as the Bard said, I don't think that's what they're after though. They really want people to be making things on camera. Here's what they want. They want their community. They want their culture to sanction it before they give it the official blessing. Well, and what's weird about that is so therefore I have to do something else on Twitch first and to do something as a sideline before that sideline can get popular enough to be accepted. Absolutely. And but you want to know what that it's an awkward dance to be sure, right? But that's what allows them to keep a definition to not just become the big blob of a bunch of people who don't talk to each other. What they what the benefit for a streamer inherent into coming to Twitch is that I'm now going to learn a new language. And I'm going to learn how people interact with each other. I'm going to learn the customs. I will have a benefit because it's easier to collaborate. It's easier to communicate with other chat rooms. A lot of people hop all day from one place to another. And now they can go and experience a creative stream. If some of those creative streamers decide to start streaming podcasts and and it's about what they're doing. Well, it's got Johnson's doing it, right? What was that? It's got Johnson's doing that. Got Johnson's already doing it. If that becomes in Twitch culture again, but that's the thing is is Scott still, like many of us, we do what we do to our for our audience that also streams on Twitch. That's not the same as people who live on Twitch. Twitch natives are of Twitch culture. If they start to do podcasts either via the gaming thing or the creative thing, I wouldn't be shocked if there was a live podcast creation channel that they wanted to that they wanted to launch. But it would happen the community first.  It's only got 200,000 creators right now compared to what you've got 1.7 million broadcasters in general and Twitch. But let's say it starts to get up there. Should Twitch spin that out and make a creative channel that's separate from Twitch on its own like they did Twitch with Justin TV? I don't think so, only because unless that culture became walled off from the gaming channel, then maybe, then maybe you start to call that creative or to Twitch creative. I don't know, I'm not good at names. So maybe, but I think again what they have learned and what I believe Twitch's end all be all is what does the community want? If this element of the community wants to be separate, they will think about that if it is better because there is just a natural flow between people who want to watch Twitch.tv slash fake gamer girl cook vegan food and then go watch man versus game play overwatch and that's what they like to do, then that is what they will continue to do is tether them together. Yeah. And I think that's the really interesting thing here is my instinct is you should make things open. And so the idea of restricting it like Twitch does rubs me the wrong way. But what Trump's that is what you've been saying is, yeah, but they're doing it because that's what their community wants. And so they're adapting to what their community wants. They're not keeping it restricted. They're listening. And I think that's that's an important point. Our pick of the day comes from fur. It's a small thing. But he said when Microsoft included the Starfield screensaver in Windows XP as a science fiction fan, I loved it. I've dragged it forward to newer versions of Windows and they had it before XP even. But now I don't need to. There's a modern graphics accelerated version available at this website Trimcore.CZ. Now, listen, folks, we have not vetted this website. So Kaviott M Tour or Visitor M Tour, Kaviott Visitor. Anyway, be careful. 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I wanted to call in and talk about a show item from yesterday with Scott and Patrick with regard to the Singapore Mall being run by SingPost. Now, this is a mall where you can go in and actually see items and then the Singapore Post is actually going to mail them to your door. This is not really a new concept. We actually have these here in the United States in limited areas. Specifically what it made me think of was foreign trade zone locations. Now in some foreign trade zone locations you can actually go in and peruse items. They haven't necessarily been imported into the United States yet because they either have high duty value or there's restrictions on bringing them in or something a little bit nutty, but they do exist. I was in one in Miami, Florida a couple of weeks ago. It's a very interesting area where you can go in and look at something and if you decide, yep, this is what I want to buy, then you can buy it and that's when they import it into the United States and that's at the point that they pay the high duties and taxes. Is this something that's going to be the way of the future? Is it something that's in the past because now we have Amazon? Possibly, but I think we'll see a little bit more of this, but not a huge amount, but that's just my two cents. I'm just outside of Westchester, Ohio. I'm Big Jim. So Big Jim is describing something specifically meant for import-export, but it is an interesting parallel. I tend to think this could be the kind of thing that you would see Amazon getting involved with at some point. Yeah. No, I think it's entirely possible. Put in some lockers, have a showroom. I mean, it's just showroom. We used to have a JCPenney catalog store in my hometown. It's not much different from that. And Chris from Sunny St. George, Utah talked about how 30 years ago he was sent to Singapore on a business trip and he remembers just how expensive it was to have a car there. And he says, I don't know how much it's changed over the last 30 years, but if you're in a place where owning a car is as expensive as it was then, this idea of going to a mall where you can just have everything mailed to your house could be even more appealing. But at the same time, how much of that is rectified by the ubers and lifts of the world? I mean, that's all I got. Oh, and I was in Singapore two years ago. That's all I got around was, you know, I think it's the convenient. I think the fact that we have people who showroom now, right?  There is that part of you that just wants to see the thing. That's why people go into Apple stores. That's why Apple stores actually are designed. That's why Microsoft opened their new flagship store in that kind of world. This situation where they're like, you know, a validly, this is a showroom for you to see the thing and hopefully you'll buy it from us here and have it sent to you because that's more convenient and cheaper. Alan wrote in and said, I think that given, as you say, gaming will drive a lot of the initial VR experience. I think it makes sense that VR will follow video games in terms of adaptation through console versus PC. Kind of makes sense that people looking for a plug and play experience will prefer a console while people who want to squeeze every last bit of performance and customization out of their system will use a PC much as they do in video gaming. I think that non VR video gaming has improved for most games that you don't need a decked out PC to have a good time anymore. There was a time where people would scoff at the idea of a gaming laptop, but VR looks like it will push PC gamers to the technological edge again. I think that was always one of the things that pushed people towards consoles for gaming instead of PCs. It's interesting that you guys only touched on the relationship between frame rate and latency. I'd be interested in knowing what the frame rate was that Patrick was getting because latency can cause that nausea sometimes, and so latency would seem to be much more important to frame rate when you're talking about VR. Yeah. I mean, I guess always the problem when we get into these topics are, what will that look like? What's the difference between the PC VR experience and what we would think of as the console VR experience since the entire market is so tinkery still? It's still like hinting at retail ready. Yeah. I think that you will see a breakdown very similar to consoles versus PC gaming. I think Alan's right, where people who want to squeeze every last bit of performance are more likely to maybe want to buy an Oculus or an HTC Vive with a tie-in to Steam, to a Steam box than they would the Sony PlayStation VR, but people who are blessed and happy using their PlayStation 4 are going to jump right to the PSVR because it fits right into their ecosystem. But I think the one thing that we were skipping over and what we know has already happened in video gaming as we traditionally define it is that video gaming had to prove itself before we could have a splintering. We are still in a proving ground for VR. We've yet to have the moment where we all realize, wow, VR is great and now I have opinions on exactly what I value in it. That's a really good point. We don't know as he asks, is latency still better than frame rate or is frame rate becoming more important because the latency is not an issue? Those are the technical questions. The other questions are, what do I want to do with it? Do I want to play games all the time or do I want to play games sometimes and watch movies or is there some other virtual experience like walking around on Mars that becomes the thing that I want to do? Part of that HTC Vive demo that people have raved about is painting and creating art. That's the thing. Will the hollow lens and the magic leap just move past all of these headsets and we'll wonder why we were ever interested in any of them to begin with? Yeah. Certainly that scrappy company out of Plantation Florida, Magic Leap, it's the most fearsome company that nobody knows anything about. A little bit more. A little bit more every day. Speaking of Florida, Justin and Robert Young is partially out of Florida. You're not straight out of Florida. I'm a graduate, proud graduate of South Plantation High School. There you go. You could find more of Justin and Robert Young everywhere on the Internet if you look hard enough. 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Back for a classic Friday with Darren Kitchin and Len Peralta tomorrow. Talk to you then. This show is part of the Frog Pants Network. Get more at frogpants.com. Diamond Club hopes you have enjoyed this program. Bojack, boom. Boom. Boom goes the dynamite. It certainly does. Happy little cloud service. Yep. That's good. I love that. I kind of, I kind of, that just wins. I'm sorry. Yeah. This is one of those days where that's just gonna win. Yeah. Agreed. All right. I got a Halloween TBT here. What is that? My Halloween TBT. Gonna make it big to really see it. Wait, is that the Winnie the Pooh outfit? It's me wearing a Winnie the Pooh outfit in second grade. How come you're wearing a headband? It's like the mask? The Pooh, I guess, I don't know why. Winnie the Pooh doesn't wear a mask. Yeah, maybe in this costume he did. I don't know. It was the last time I wore a big costume like this because it was very I actually reminds me. I gotta head down to the Army Navy Surplus in Alameda to, I need to, I need to get my Fidel Castro costume. I realized it was the easiest costume. Oh, wow. So you're going with a tribute costume, huh? With a what? With a tribute? It's not long for this world, I would expect.  There's a solid chance he will outlive all of us.  Doesn't matter.  If there's one Razao Gul in the world, it's Fidel Castro. I bet you he has 89. He probably has a partial state of suspended animation when he goes to sleep. I wouldn't doubt it. There's literally nothing about Fidel Castro that would surprise me. He is he has been a very interesting, you know, specter in, in, you know, anybody's life growing up in South Florida. There's there's always, you know, a very strong opinion about Fidel Castro permeated in here. I wonder if his brother ever dresses up like him. Raul? Yeah, he just pretends like he's his brother.  Raul's a little slibbier.  Oh, just for himself. Let's go hang out of this mountain for Halloween. It's probably what he does. Yeah, we're going to have the same awkward if you guys are at the same party. Doubtful that that will happen. Raul Gul. Raul Raul, more like. Do you see a sports report here? Don Mattingly landing as the manager for the Florida or Miami Marlins for, you know, a year until their scumbag owner gets tired of them and fires them like he does every manager. Well, you know, that's that's typical of many scumbag owners to be clear. Yeah. Not all scumbag owners are like bizarre art thieves as well. Wait now, hold on. Art thief.  All right. Is he actually been convicted of stealing art? No. Okay. Let's check it. I'll just say he fits very well in Miami, the fraud capital of the world. In the world. It's a, you know, because I grew up in Illinois. Now I grew up on the other side of Illinois from the interesting politics, but Illinois politics, mostly because of Chicago are pretty entertaining. And then I moved to Texas. And as we all know, Texas politics are very entertaining. Oh, yes. But man, I would sit in Austin and with friends from Illinois who were going to UT with me, former University of Illinois folks that I knew.  And then Florida just trumped us every time with something. It's an amazing, it's an amazing place.  The weird thing about it is that it Florida in general, what, what kind of adds that extra level of spice that makes Florida so weird is that we get all the shady grifters from everywhere else. Like when, when the shady grifter in Illinois and in Texas burns out all of his contacts and he's got to leave, you go to South Florida. You'd think that would be California, which by the way has some pretty crazy politics of its own. I believe we elected the terminator as governor. I submit that. That wasn't, that wasn't that crazy. There were some pretty crazy shenanigans. I mean, and Jerry Brown and Ronald Reagan. Yeah, also, yeah, that we've like, now that I'm a California resident, I can, I can say we, we reelected the old governor that's like, you know, that's that. And so now that dead Kennedy song makes sense again. I am governor, Jerry Brown, except for soon I will be president. It's probably not. Cindy managed to, uh, offload the whole governor, moon beam reference. Yeah. It's true. Drove out that Linda Ron staff association too. I was, uh, I was at, uh, an indie wrestling show, Hoodslam in Oakland. And all of a sudden Jello Biafra came out and sang that song. No kidding. Like Jello Biafra himself. Jello Biafra himself was up on the, on, on the middle turnbuckles sitting in California, Uber Alice. It was among the most surreal. That is fantastic. California, Uber Alice. That should be the state anthem, don't you think? It's, it's shockingly prescient. Yeah. Like it is, it is folks, get a little culture in your life.  This song was written, God, when? Late eighties, I think. No, mid eighties. Was it mid eighties? I don't know. It's been so long on that deck. Because it was not dead Kennedys. It was Jello Biafra, right? California. No, it was the dead Kennedys. It was still dead Kennedys. Uh, written, released in 1979. Oh, 79. She's okay. I'm way off. And the, the lyrics basically completely predict that egg that Jerry Brown is still, you know, the governor in 2015 is hilarious. But the idea of, uh, the, uh, the, the well meaning hippie movement becoming its own suffocating, uh, fascist, fascist, uh, you know, uh, movement. Uh, I don't know, man. If Jerry Brown's running for president in five, 10 years. Listen, it's, it's pretty, it's pretty insane. Like, you know, the idea just whenever anybody looks at me, uh, like I just ran over a child with my car because I threw my trash in the wrong sorting bin. Uh, I just have this flashback. California, Uber, Alice, you know, uh, one of my favorite Jerry Brown moments when I was living in Oakland and he was still mayor of Oakland, uh, at the time. Uh, there was a, I guess it was a road, road mud slide up in the Oakland Hills.  He lives nowhere near there. No. And he just walks up. Oh, what are you doing? I was just out walking the dogs.  And like, just totally disrupts the live shot. This is amazing. The amazing piece of politics. Uh, dude, it was done. It's so good. Apparently the updated version when Schwarzenegger was, uh, was, uh, was elected, uh, California, Uber Alice 21st century, uh, when Biafra was with, uh, touring with the band, the Melvins. And now we can just go back to the original lyrics. Yeah. I guess I had a, uh, I had a Jello Biafra solo album that he sang California, Uber, also, and that's why I was getting confused, uh, about the timing because I used to listen to that in college all the time. Uh, yeah. It's something that I only kind of really got turned on to, uh, kind of later in life. But yeah, same here. Amazing. Um, amazing. But California politics have always been shady, like ever since it was founded, I guess the difference between Florida and California though is we have a desert trying to keep people out and Florida has a swamp. Trying to keep people out. Yeah. You know, that's, that's the hurdle that the shady people have to make in cases to get in. The problem with Florida is that you, everything's so transient. Like, so there's, there's always people coming and going. So you can always be someone new. You know, that's kind of true in California, don't you think? Well, California is more of a settling kind of place, right? Like California is where you go when you want to reinvent yourself into something much better. But I guess there's almost an honesty in that more. It's because the whole idea is that I'm going to move out there, become a star, celebrity.  As opposed to, I think even like the, there's a difference between, I guess what I'm trying to describe is that there's a difference between looking to reinvent yourself honestly and looking for new people to run your credit card scam. And I think that there's plenty of those in, in, in South Florida, which of course makes it as, as the interesting place for which I love. All right, gang, I got to go, but I love you. All right, Jen. All right, good show. Good show, good show. Right? Good show. Well done. I think your pickup is a yes. Thank you, Ellie. His wife streams on Twitch. Oh, it's probably demon speech. That's my guess. She floats. She's a witch. Does she float when you give her a bath? She cries. California. Uber Alice. California. I just want to start another podcast. You do? Yeah, actually I did. The Star Wars. Did I tell you, did I, were you on the call when I told Jenny that? No. Yeah. So it's a seven episode series called Pretend I'm Dumb About Star Wars. Boy, that one I heard, but that was, that was with Justin. Was it in here? Yeah. No, that's a cool idea. That's all I'm saying. And if California falls into the ocean. That will never happen. Like the mystic saying, statistics say a wound. Plan to move us from underneath. We lost Jenny. I'm here. What are you reading? Oh, I'm putting in stuff. If there's a PM show today for a TMS. Ah, okay. You had, you had a reading look. Yeah. Actually, another unique thing about California is how much of its development has been spurred by federal intervention. Like not just the economy, but like the state was, I mean, they got the land after the Mexican-American war. Sure. And a lot of the, the bare republic rebellion. The bare, the bare republic. Originally some, I read somewhere that it was originally supposed to be a pear. What? Oh, a pear, not a bear. Really? Is that true? I don't know if that's not true. But when they, when the person got the name for it and started sketching out a flag, they thought it was bare. Which, I mean, there are bears in California, so. Pair republic. Yeah. Bear is much fiercer as a name than pear. Yeah, but there are no grizzly bears left in California. But it's not, there are brown bears. And there were. Not black bears. Black bears. The Spanish kind of killed them all off.  That's not the bear represented in the flag. Well, okay. So the artist took some liberties. Well, the artist probably remembered the last bear that was still alive in the state. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps. Okay. Well, that's it folks. Glad we streamed the whole time today. I hope everything saves. We'll talk to you tomorrow.