One of the most probably quoted statements that we find from Jesus is in John 19.30. It is finished. So before giving a whole lot of extra information or detail, let's just go ahead and go to that particular passage and let's just see what it says. John 19.30, he says, "'Therefore when Jesus had received sour wine, he said, it is finished." Let me move this, I'll move some of my computer cursor over just a little bit because I wanna make sure I... All right, there we go. He says, it is finished. "'And he bowed his head and gave up his spirit." I wanna look at while we're there, I want to, obviously in this case, we are going to have to look at the Greek to see really what he's saying. We're gonna have to look at what it actually is that's finished, but then we're also gonna have to see when it was finished. Because if we look at it just from the Greek, I mean just from the English, it looks like that Jesus is saying it is finished at that moment that he's saying it. But upon further review, when we look at it, we're gonna see that the tense of the verb is not present, it's what's called the perfect tense. The perfect tense, we don't have that in English, we have it in Greek. It is, and some people might even get confused with it. They may confuse it with what's called the heiress tense or the past tense. It's not a past tense. What it is, it is a completed action from the past. In this case, it has ongoing and future ramifications. So let's go back to it. This word, and you've heard the word in the Greek before, you've heard it as tetelestei. And what you see is there's this, it's from the Greek word teleo, which is to complete or to finish or to perfect. But when you have what's called in Greek this reduplication, in other words, it takes the first two letters of that word and then it duplicates it or we call it reduplication. And so the teleo, it is te, teleo or tetelestei. And we have also the ending. And so let's put it back on the screen again. It is, this word is in the single, it's a perfect middle indicative. And so what's being done is being done for the benefit of someone else. In this case, we need to figure out what the it is that was finished. And then also not only what it is that is being finished, but also when was this finished? And so my question to you guys is this, what do you all think that it is that was finished? Very important. As a matter of fact, this is singularly, well, this is one, I shouldn't say singularly, but this is one of the more important things that we can find out about why Jesus came, the point and purpose of it. And so my question to you guys is to be pretty interactive or as much as I can make it, what do you all think that it is that's been finished? What is the it that Jesus is referring to? And it is very important. Now, if you've been listening to me long enough, you should know this answer.  If you have not paid attention or you don't know, you're gonna wanna know that it that is finished is the atonement, but even more than that. And I use the it, let's back up a little bit before we go there. Jesus makes a statement. Jesus makes a statement in John, I'm sorry, not John, Matthew 5, 17. He says, do not think that I've come to abolish the law or the purpose. I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill. So Jesus has come to fulfill the law. That's his point, that's his purpose, what he says. Now, there's a little bit more to it than just that, because the question is gonna be, what does that mean that he has come not to abolish it, but to fulfill the law? By the way, let's look at what the word is. The word for fulfill is plurio, or in this case, in this case, it is plurio sigh. And so he is going to bring an end to it, to fulfill it, which is what the word is. What does that mean though? Does that word, does that statement give us enough to go off of? Well, what is the end of the law? What does, what's the requirement of the law as far as we're concerned? In Romans 10, 4, he says, for Christ is the end of the law. And by the way, there's that word that we just use that Jesus says on the cross, which is the word to complete, to end, that's the goal, for Jesus is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. Note, very important point. He is an end to the law, and what does he accomplish? He becomes righteousness for everyone who believes. Let's go back to that word again, for everyone who believes, and look at this word. This word is in the present active participle. Uh-oh, something's wrong with my cursor. Present active participle, this word, this is from the word pistol, which is to believe. So, Jesus is, or what will make someone righteous for that person who is believing. Now, I wanna stop there for a second because I think this part is very, very important. We need to understand, what do you mean by he is the righteousness? Well, what is the thing that God needs to have accomplished with us, through us, for us? What's the one thing that God needs to do? Or, more to the point, what needs to happen to us? What has to happen for us? Now remember, the requirement of the law, this is why some of you guys correctly said that sin must be atoned for, or the atonement, the requirement of law is that sin must be atoned for. I think oftentimes we miss that. I think oftentimes we get caught up a lot of times in our own theological and doctoral arguments and we miss the most important thing.  The most important thing that has to be accomplished on your and my behalf is that we be atoned for it. We all are born in a state where there is something against us. There is a debt that's owed for us and the problem is it needs to be paid. There is an issue that stands before you and I and God. That is sin. And so before we are in His presence, that issue has to be taken care of. That issue needs to be dealt with, that issue needs to be dealt away with. Okay, so back on the screen. It must be only accomplished for the benefit of those who believe. If you are not one of the believing ones, then guess what? You will not have this righteousness, and we'll talk about this word maybe later, imputed to you. It will not happen. You must be one of the ones who believe. A believing one. And notice it uses the present act of participle. Okay, we've covered this before about people who believe, who understand exactly like we do, who see what like we see, and know what we know about Jesus, but their belief is fleeting. There is either mental sin or it's temporary. That's not the kind of belief that the Bible ascribes to a person who is one of His. It is someone who is in a constant state of continual believing. We enter into the state one time and it's continual. And what brings about it being continual is the Holy Spirit. He's the one that makes this belief in us continual. Are you with me? So now, if you are not one of the believing ones, well, then you cannot be right. Why is it necessary that we have to have this right standing before us? Well, look what he says in, I'm sorry, wrong passage, Genesis 315. This is where sin has occurred in the garden and God has stated that I will put entity between you and the woman speaking to Satan and between your seed and her seed. Now, notice this is a singular seed. This is the singular seed, the Hebrew word, Yerah, which is a seed or descendant and it's singular, he shall bruise you on the head and you shall bruise him on the heel. So very important. Now, obviously at this moment, I'm pretty sure neither Adam nor Eve or Satan fully understands what's gonna happen here. But God has stated that He is going to fix this issue. The issue that Adam and Eve caused, this issue where specifically Adam, this issue whereby sin has now put in all of us a state of separation. We all come into the world on the same plane as Adam. Are you with me? This is why we say that this is why I believe that it says that we are all dead and Adam because we start off at the position that Adam puts us in. It doesn't say so, but I wonder, I wonder, now I can't make this point, but I wonder if there had been a child born to Adam and Eve prior to the sin, then would the children of that child that was born or those children born were their children be born without this state? In other words, let's say if Abel were born before the fall and then Abel had children, it just makes me wonder, I don't know for sure. I can't say for a fact, why can I say for a fact? Because I don't have a scripture and y'all, I think people get bothered with me, but I don't know why. I think that we should have a scripture for our arguments. I think we should. And of late, people are saying, well, we don't have to have scripture, we have the totality of it, but you know what, I can't think of one argument. I can't think of one argument, one doctrine that I stand on where I can't find one scripture. I'm sorry. Yeah, there's a totality of scriptures that I can lean on as well, but also at least one scripture or two or three that I can lean on or whatever doctrinal statement that I believe. I believe that's the way it should be. Anyone that says different, I tend to worry about you because now I wonder, when you're saying something, are you making it up? Are you saying that I have to believe what you believe or I'm wrong, even though you can't find me a scripture because I say the same thing to the people who are casting out demons and we can't ask them a question. I say the same thing to the hypercharismatic people. I say the same thing to a lot of people and I need a scripture. Again, I believe the word of God is the most important thing and I believe what God wants us to know. He shows us in his scripture, everything else that we want to try to open up to our own interpretation, I think we get ourselves in a bit of a jam and a bit of a problem, what ends up happening is we fight and wanna kill someone because we don't see it the way they see it and we say show me. After the show me, well then pardon me for not seeing what you see if you're not gonna show me what I need to see. That's the way it ought to be. That's the way I was taught and so far I'm gonna go with that. So far it hadn't failed me. So God has stated that he needs to fix this issue. He's going to fix the issue. What's the issue? Well, the fact that now you have put yourself at him in a position that's opposite and empathetical to God. You have placed yourself in a position now God has this issue before you. God is a righteous God. I told you guys before and you're gonna hear more about this in the upcoming weeks when we start the class over again where God has these communicable attributes as well as these non-communicable attributes. The non-communicable attributes are the attributes that he doesn't share with us.  Now, his attributes are obviously more godly. They're fuller, they're perfect. Like his love is obviously better. We don't know how to love, but not to the same level or degree that God does. Are you with me? But then he also has in-communicable attributes such as he is omnipresent, omniscient, those things. We're not omnipresent. We're not all knowing. We're not all present. We're not all powerful. Those are his attributes and his alone. So two attributes about him though that seem to be the overarching attributes that he has that seem to be the two attributes where everything else flows from is this.  In other words, he's a just God. If he says X, Y, and Z, well then guess what? X, Y, and Z it is. If he says don't do this or there will be consequences, well then guess what? There will be consequences. He is not like some parents who say, if you do this, you're gonna get in trouble and then the child does it and then they don't get in trouble. No, he means what he says and he says what he means. He is righteous, he is just. He has a standard. Now, that can be a problem. It can be problematic for us if it weren't for the fact that of this other attribute that is just as important and prevalent that is the fact that he is a loving God. His love is the only thing. The only thing that can overcome or accomplish or satisfy his right, that's a better word, to satisfy his righteousness. That's the only thing. No excuses, nothing else. His love is the only thing that can make way for his righteousness to be satisfied. Now, we see that in Genesis five, where it states that Jesus, I mean not Jesus, that God has allowed them to bring an offering to him and so in some way, shape, or fashion, it has been given by God for them to some sort of way to allow them to be this sort of reconciliation where he still has interaction because God wants to be involved with his people. He loves them, at the same time, he's not gonna just deal with anything and so what does he do? He allows them to bring a sacrifice to him. Interestingly enough, the sacrifice that they bring is something that he's created. Here, I'll give you this and you'll bring it to me. Remember that, I'll give you this and what I give, you bring it to me. But not only the this, I want you to bring the best of what I've given. Very important guys, I want you as God, I want you to bring me the best of what I've given you and in doing so, we can be in the right standing. In doing so, you can be in a state of justification. Justification means to be declared right and treated as such. Now, I've told this story before and I like telling this story because I think it's, to me, it's the better analogy I can think of. I've said before that if you do something to violate me, to hurt me, to bother me, to offend me, then I've got the right to determine what it's going to be or what it's gonna take for you to satisfy my wrath or to atone. When we talk about this word atone or atone men, there are three elements. There's a covering, a canceling and a reconciliation. Reconciliation is the goal. We want to have this relationship but because of Adam, we don't have this relationship and everyone thereafter, Adam is in this state of being away from him and God holds this against you. God holds this one thing against you that he holds against Adam. That is sin. You are in a state where God has a problem and for you to be in his presence, it's a bother to him. In your natural sinful state, it's a bother to him unless you be in a justified state. Now he's the one that declares you just for, there's nothing like that when you become justified, it's not that your skin is better skin. It's not that your hair or your bald head is better. It's not that your eyeballs, your teeth, your eyelids are better. It's not that the blood in your body is better. It's not that the organs in your body has some sort of way been refreshed. It's not even that the heart inside of you is better. There's nothing better about you once you were redeemed or before you redeemed before you're toned for and after you. There's nothing about your body that's different. Your makeup is just the same way it was before and after. Now there's something internally that's going on. We'll deal with that later. But there's nothing about you that on this day you're not a toned for, the next day you are toned for and then you are right before them. There's nothing physically about you like, huh, now you can be my present because you've got perfect skin, no. You still have to deal with sin. You still have this nature in you even if you are in right standing. Don't believe me, ask Paul. Paul is the one who says, I find that there's these two nature, these two laws at war in me. I want to do this, but I end up doing that. So that doesn't change for the month, but now there's gonna be something that's gonna be given to you on the other side of the cross versus this side of the cross in Genesis. But the point is, I want you to see is that you stand as a person who before the Lord is unfit. You are unfit before the Lord. I'm unfit before, we all are unfit before the Lord. That's the issue. And so what God wants to do is to change that, to remedy that. Now only he can determine what is going to make you fit to be before him. In other words, what is gonna make you justified before him? And he is the one that has determined that it will be what? What has God determined that will make you justified before him? Well, one, him being satisfied. If, again, I say this, if you stole, I'll use a better example. I usually use a watch. But let's say because I see my man, Cowboy's five ring shows up. Let's say he did something wrong, did something really, really wrong. And I could see it happening because he's a Cowboy's fan. He stole my cup, my coach's cup. Stole my coach's cup and he walks up to me. Hey, Corey, what's going on? And he's got, he's got my coach's cup in his hand. He's playing around with it. And I said, man, that's not cool. That's just not right. And I'm bothered by that. He said, well, forgive me, I'm sorry. Yeah, but you got my coach's cup. Matter of fact, he says, Corey, forgive me, I'm sorry. And he starts drinking out of my coach's cup. How is that going to make me feel?    You don't care. But he says, Cowboys Five Rings says, I do care. I want us to be together again. I want, and you know what? I want reconciliation as well. I do too. Even though he's a, he's a Cowboys fan, I still want reconciliation. Now, he says, how?  Here's what you're gonna have to do.  You cannot keep walking around and flashing the scene before the very thing that's bothered me, you are putting it in my face. And it's not that you're doing it, it's that you're doing it intentionally.  You're doing all these different things. So I tell you what, I've got something for you that's gonna make me feel whole again.  I say, buy me two coach's cup, buy me a coach's shirt, a coach's cap, a coach's mug, a coach's thermos, a coach's blanket, and season tickets to the coach. That's what I want. That's what I want. And you say, Cowboys five reasons. Wait a second, wait a second, wait a second, hold up. I just took your coach's cup back. I gave it back to you, nope, nope, nope. You don't get to tell me what it's gonna take for me to feel whole again for me to forgive you. You can't tell me what it's gonna take. I'm the offended party.  So I get to tell you how it is. You say, well, you know what, I agree, you're right. And so what does he do? He gives me everything that I want. Now, after he does that, and I got my coach's season tickets and everything, and I got my coach's cup back, a year later, I cannot go to Cowboys five rings and say, you stole my cup last year. You did that to me. Now I remember it, but I can't hold that over his head again. Why? Why? If I'm righteous, I wouldn't do that. If I'm a just person, I couldn't do that. Well, certainly if that's what a just person would do, certainly a just and righteous God would do the same thing. And so not a coach's cup, but what does God demand as payment to satisfy his wrath? You all know it, blood, blood. See, you're kind of like, that's just me. That's just, wow, he said, Groupon coach tickets. Moderators, can y'all ban him and report him to YouTube? That's just, wow, that's just, that's me. It's funny though, it is funny though. It is funny. Probably won't get six free. But God has determined that it's going to be blood. It's going to be blood. How's that work though, God? Well, the way it works is you can't even give me the blood. Yeah, God, so what gives? I can't even give you the blood. I can't give you the blood. I can't give you what you're asking me for. So I'm in trouble. Now, what y'all think about that for a second? The one thing he wants, I can't give. Even if I could give, that's another thing. Even if I could give what God wants, I'd be dead. If I could give him the blood that he wants, if my blood was sufficient, if it were good enough, that would mean me dying. Well, I don't want to die, God. Listen, I know we want to be reconciled, but I tell you what, if I'm gonna die, I might as well die at the end of my life, then rather now.  He demands satisfaction. He does not want to look at you in this offensive state. So what does he do? The other great attribute of his kicks in, that is he's a loving God. And so what does he do? Because he knows that you cannot pay or you cannot provide the very blood that you need to give. He's gonna give it to you. Are you with me? So what does he do? Remember in Leviticus 17. Now we covered 16 where he talks about how the atonement works. The atonement, there's three elements. There is this covering, there is the candle, the other candle. And it's like he waits. He waits, he waits till I get on. He didn't want to come in the whole day. What I wish I could do, I wish I could do him like we did Copeland and take him and get fixed, but he's already fixed. I should take this cat to get unfixed and then fixed again. That will show him. But anyway, let me see if he'll go away. He probably won't. He probably won't. He probably wants to, because he's selfish. He wants to make it an entrance, but he keeps, I'm gonna get rid of this cat. I'm gonna get another cat. I'm gonna get a quiet cat. Anyway, so what does God do? He says I've gotta deal with this covering, this canceling, and that will bring about reconciliation. Covering what? I don't need to see this sin. So what does he do? He offers on the day of atonement sins, all of people's sins are confessed on the head of the scapegoat and then those sins are sent away out into the wilderness. Then I've got to make a payment. There's a debt that's owed. I want you all to remember this aspect of it. I cannot see the sin anymore. Metaphorically, it's sent away. The sin or sins, let's be honest, sins, plural, many sins are sent away. Two, the debt is covered. Talked about giving me the extra cowboy. I mean the extra coats, cups and the tickets and thermos and so forth. There must be a cancellation of that debt. There must be a cancellation of that debt. How was the cancellation done? By blood, by the shed blood. The priest brings it, springs it on the altar, and then what happens? Then God, almost like he's inspecting, now he knows, but he has to come and he has to accept the gift. He has to accept the blood.  And so God accepts it, and then payment is made. Now, you can determine, and in the example that I gave where Cowboys Five Rings stole my Coast Cup and brought it back and made, he made, atonement was made, and I said, now we're forgiven. But if he doesn't come around, if he thinks that I'm holding a grudge, if he doesn't trust that I've forgiven him, if he doesn't trust that I have forgiven him, listen up, ladies and gentlemen, if he doesn't trust that I have forgiven him, does that mean that we have been reconciled? No, he has to take place faith in me accepting it. This is what the day of atonement was. All of this happens and propitiation is made, but you do have to accept it, you have to place faith in it. If you don't place faith in what was done, well then guess what? Sorry, it didn't benefit you. Okay, now, there's one important passage, and move my Coast Cup out of the way, there's one important passage that's gonna bring us to Jesus saying it is finished, cause we've got to figure out what the it is. What is the it? Now you guys heard me say this before, some of you guys who are old enough that used to watch the 18 with Hannibal and B.A. and Face and Murdoch, and Hannibal was the leader, he would always say at the end with his cigarette, I mean, cigarette, I said cigarette, saying I love it when a plan comes together. When Jesus is saying it is finished, think about it that way. I love it when a plan comes together. Let's go to wonderful passage. If you like tattoos, tattoo this passes on your body somewhere too, if you wanna tattoo something, if you wanna graffiti something, write this down. If you wanna put little sticky notes all over your house or whatever, put that one up there. Whatever you wanna do, if you wanna mark it in your notebook or your journal, put this verse up there. Leviticus chapter 17 verse 11, this is where we see God's justice, His righteousness and His love come together. And I mean vividly in an awesome form. And some folks don't like this. I'll talk about those folks who don't like this in a second, but greater love has no man that he laid down his life for a friend. Look what God is saying here in Leviticus chapter 17 verse 11. He says, for the life of the flesh is in the blood and I've given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls. Why? For it is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement. What's funny is I've got things kind of moved around a little bit. And so I'm used to looking at this screen. The screen is a little higher. And now I see, you know what? Let me just read on this screen. One day I'll get my eyes and everything adjusted. I'm trying to get this whole setup and how we move things around and kind of play with things. So anyway, I'm looking.  I think it's important. He says, let's look at the very end of it first. He says, it is the blood by reason of life that makes atonement. He has stated that I want blood. I want blood, but God, I can't give you blood. I didn't say that. I just said I want blood. I just said I want blood and I need blood in order for there to be reconciliation. And so what does he say? He says, I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your sins. And we've covered this before where he says, I have given. That is the word not tatine. It's highlighted for you guys. That word means I have given. I have given. In English, you have to have the pronoun. You have to have the verb to be, which is have. And then the verb, I have given. Am I doing this right? Yeah, I have given. I'm trying to do it backwards for you guys to see. I, pronoun, have given. You don't need three words in Greek or Hebrew to make that statement. It can be all encompassed in one word. And so not tatine is I have given. But then something special is also present there. This is where if we go before the I have given, we see this word, I need. I, look at the bottom left-hand corner just in case you all are not following. I want you to see this for yourself. He says, I, myself, I have given. So it's I, I have given and it's taken or could be taken and probably should be taken. I, myself, have given. Let's think about that for a second. When I say, I, myself, have given, who is speaking? Who is telling us this? This is God. I, myself, have given. You've given what? I've given the blood. What do you mean I've given the blood?  That's not the blood that he's speaking of. He's speaking of a more perfect blood, a more perfect scapegoat. And even he's gonna talk about a more perfect mediator, which is also a better high priest. We won't cover the high priest portion or the scapegoat portion. We'll talk about that maybe some of the time we've covered, but Jesus, if you don't know, Jesus plays the part of all three elements. The high priest, perfect high priest who does not need to have a sense of tone for it in order to enter into the holy holies. He plays the part of the land who takes away the sins of the world, not like the scapegoat. And then he plays the part of the substitutionary atonement, the propitiation, the blood. And in this regard, better sacrifices all around. And so guess what doesn't have to happen? It doesn't have to happen continually. Are you with me? And so Jesus is who God, I believe, is referring to when he says, I myself have given. And so when Jesus says it is finished, he is speaking of the Tetelestive. He's speaking of something that happened in the past that is completed. Now, we know Jesus says that I did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill the law. Fulfillment of the law requires that. What satisfies the law is that. Are you with me? Now, something else that he also says that he's speaking about why he came so we can know for sure. In John 17.4, he says, I have glorified you on earth having, look what he says, accomplished the work which you have given me to do. Now, look at the word that's used for accomplished. It is the very same word, Telos, which is what Jesus says on the cross or will say on the cross to Telos die. I have finished, I have completed. This is an heiress active participle. So he says, I've done what I've posted, what I'm supposed to do, what I was sent here for. I've done that. Don't let the, listen, it's not like Jesus just using these words just haphazardly. He's using these words for particular reasons. So he says, I have fulfilled, I'm sorry, not fulfilled, but accomplished what you have sent me to do. And the Bible says that Jesus in Romans 10.4 that said, Christ is the end of the law. Now, what's this word for end of the log in? It's the same word. The same word that he says on the cross to Telos die derived from Telos. And then the same word that's used in John 17.4, Telos. This very same word he says, Telos Garneumo. So I have completed or as the Christ is the end of the law. And so the right, he is the righteousness to everyone who believes. Now, what's important to understand is when he makes this statement, what should be understood in this statement? This is Jesus saying the plan has come together. What is finished, the atonement, when was it finished, way back when, it's just happening now on the cross, but he uses the perfect tense, Telos die. And what's important about it is how we know that Jesus is the fulfillment of the law. He's the end of it. He is what the law requires. That he is what the Bible is calling what God is calling for in Leviticus 1711. How do we know that? Because let's put on the screen the writer of Hebrews makes this statement. He says, therefore, when he, that Jesus comes into the world, he says sacrifices and offerings you do or you have not desired, but a body you have prepared for me. Very important, ladies and gentlemen. It was never the sacrifices nor the offerings that God cared about. That was something temporary. Remember the good news guys should be understood that it's not that salvation has come to the world. No, salvation has been in the world. It's not that salvation has come to not just the Jews, but everyone else. No, because even the sojourners like a Rahab could become part of this. No, the good news is that salvation has come to the world, everybody permanently. You could be atoned for not just for one year, but you could be atoned for forever. And how so, how does this happen? Well, he says so in Romans 10.4, he says to everyone who believes to the believing ones, to the ones that are believing. Tolling pistol aunties, which is to the ones who are believing. In other words, if you are believing, then atonement is made forever. Not just year after year after year and no, one time. And then what does the writer of Hebrew says? After he makes this, then he sits down at the right hand of the father.  Why is that important? Because the reason why a person goes to hell or the reason why a person does not go to heaven, the reason why a person goes to heaven or the reason why a person does not go to heaven, the reason why a person can be reconciled and in the company of the Lord, or the reason why a person cannot be in the company of the Lord is, depends upon whether he or she is in right standing. Depends upon whether this person is in a justified state, if this person is in right standing. How do you get in right standing? What makes you in right standing? Well, it's the blood, the perpetuation, and once that happens, there is no longer a debt that's owed. One of the good things, one interesting thing is when we look at any extra biblical sightings, which are archeological finds, historical findings of that day, if we find a bill of sales, a deed, something where something is being bought, they would often stamp on the bill of sales, a deed to tell us die. Why? Because it had become synonymous with a financial transaction as well. It has been finished, it's done. What we decided to do, it's been paid and it's been paid in full. That's why he can make this statement in Colossians 2. He says having canceled, look what he says, having canceled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us, and has taken it out of the way, having looked, nailed it to the cross. This debt that we have, it was nailed to the cross. This is where the shouting and jumping takes place.   The debt, now I'm not advocating that, but the debt is paid. The debt is paid, what does that mean? That means nothing else is due. You don't owe anything else. You don't have anything else to pay us. There's nothing else that is required. Did you hear what I just said? There is nothing else required. That is shouting music, Lisa said. Shondo, that's stomping music. Some of you folks that like to shout and scream because your favorite team scored a touchdown or won the basketball game and the baseball game won't have you. Shout at that. Rejoice at that, clap at that, cry at that, yell at that, run around the house at that. Go tell somebody else about that. That's the good news. The debt is canceled forever and it was nailed to, I'd love to know the heavenly metaphorical hammer that was used, it was nailed to the cross. Took three nails to do it. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. I'm pretty sure it wasn't that quick either.  There is nothing else left. And so when someone, by the way, when someone comes back and says to you that you still owe a debt, because when they say to you that you can place your faith in Christ and then thereafter lose your salvation, lose your place, lose your standing, you are no longer justified, this is where you gotta ask them, what in the world are you talking about? The Bible says that there is nothing else left to pay. He paid it all. Yeah, but his payment wasn't enough to cover your future sins. The devil is a lie. He paid enough to pay for everybody's sin a billion times over, past, present, and future. Only thing is required is that you believe that it's paid. That's the only thing that's required, that you believe what he did. Faith is how you can receive the payment that was made for you. Unfortunately, everybody won't. Unfortunately, everybody won't. But there it is, it would be that Christ would have to be, thank you, Jeff, Christ would have to be sacrificed thank you, Jeff, Christ would have to be sacrificed over and over and over. Think about how often we sin. He would have to be sacrificed over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. I mean, I can end the broadcast and come back, come back tomorrow, do another one and be over and over and he would have to be sacrificed over and over again. No, he paid, God stated what the debt is that's owed. He pays it and then somebody with a four year old mind would come back and say, no, the debt is still outstanding. No, it's not. Cause you don't understand salvation. You don't understand how this thing is put together. You ran in you and someone in your family or your pastor or your grandma or you read a book that told you, you didn't read the right book because if you read it from the start, he would have told you that the debt is paid. Understand what this means. Nothing else is due, could you imagine? And maybe some of these folks that make these statements, maybe some of these folks that make these statements have never paid a car off, never finished paying a mortgage off or never finished paying a bill off.  What would you say to them? What would you say to them? Do you think that, first of all, if you were Christian, you might not be Christian on that day, right? You might not be, you might not be that godly on that day when you had this conversation. What would you say? Oh, you what? No, no, no, no, no, no, you, no, I'm looking at your computers, you made a mistake. The bill has been paid. I don't owe anything else. Yeah, yeah, Corey, minor, yeah, yeah, look it up. Yeah, what do you mean I still owe? No, I paid all my, I paid everything. I got the receipts. It's written down, I wrote down all this stuff. Yeah, I'll tell you what, I'll see you in court.  Think about how offensive that is to God. Because remember, he supplied, I got a dog on it, let me go back to it. He supplied it. There it is. He says, I myself, I have given. I myself, there it is, I myself, I have given it. I gave it on the altar to make atonement for your souls. If I gave it, do you think I'm gonna accept it? I accepted it. Which one of you Yehues are gonna come back and tell me that I didn't accept the debt that I paid to myself? Because that's what happened. God pays the debt for himself. He sacrificed his offerings, he didn't desire, but a body he prepared for me. Not me, but Jesus, who is God? And so because of that, you can't come back and say, but you don't know the Bible very well. You don't know the Bible very well, you're gonna come back and say that there's a debt still owed. Why is this written then? Why is this written? That was, guess what, here's what's funny though. That's the standard in the Old Testament, under the covenant, old covenant, under the law. If the debt was paid, now this was a yearly debt that had me paid, but even in that, you stood right before the Lord.  When the priest had us in the tone four, there was nothing special about him. Nothing special about him. He goes to the holy, holy, same gray hair, same wrinkles, same blemishes on his body, same bad kidneys, all that stuff, same corn and calluses on his feet, all of that. But he is in right standing, not by his work, but by God's work, and so God declares him right. That's why, matter of fact, let me put this on the screen, I think this is important, I think we ought to go ahead and look at this. This is in Romans 8, move this cord out of my way. I didn't intend on going to this particular passage, but might as well. What then shall we say to these things? If God is for us, who is against us? He who did not spare his own son, but delivered him over for us all. By the way, that's important. This is though we're saying he spared his son, he didn't spare his son just because it didn't matter. Yeah, Jesus' life didn't matter. How will he not also with him freely give us all things? Here it is, who will bring a charge against God's elect? God is the one who justifies, that's important. I think we just look over this word justification, justified God is the one who justifies. So who is going to bring a charge against you? If you've been justified, who is going to bring a charge against you? The obvious answer is nobody. In order to bring a charge against you, you have to go to God, convince God that the charge that's against him that was paid by Jesus is still outstanding. That you did not place faith in him. And it didn't apply to you. He still, he still, oh, what does he owe? More of Jesus' blood? Because what he gave, what enough? Who, as he says, shall bring a charge against us? Who is the one who condemns Christ Jesus? Is he who died, yes, rather, who was raised with the right hand of God, who also intercedes for us? I can continue going on reading with it, but there's no one that's going to be able to stop Christ, who is now, he is no longer the high priest on earth who intercedes for us, but he's a high priest on in heaven. And I like this example.  These charges against you. And the judge is, this guy's been, you know, he's fair, he's an honest judge, but he's by the book. This judge is by the book and you're worried because the great accuser, he's brought a lot of charges against you. The problem with this great accuser who brings all these charges against you. Your honor, Corey has done this, this, this, this, this, Corey has done all these things. Corey has done all these things and then the judge is going to ask, I know it, he's going to ask, how do I plead? But my attorney, my counselor, my advocate says, don't worry, I got this. What do you mean you got this? Because that judge, it's my father. Really? Okay, you feel good about yourself. I'm feeling pretty good now. All right, so what do I do? Just follow my lead, just do as I tell you to do. The judge has asked, how do you plead? You consult your attorney, because you feel like lying. You feel like lying, I feel like saying not guilty, but your advocate, your attorney says, listen, not guilty, all right. Not guilty, is that right? Yeah, I did right, I did right. Yeah, you did right, you did right. Okay, good. Plead not guilty. Now, the judge is satisfied with your guilty plea. The accuser is certainly there happy that you plead guilty. Now, he would have looked, he was looking forward to prove all the deeds that you've done to show it, because he's got evidence. The judge says, well, I've taken into account what you stated. I appreciate the fact that you were forthright and honest, but based on our sentencing guidelines, these are heavily sentencing guidelines, my boy, but based on our sentencing guidelines, the only course, the only correct judgment and sentence is death. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait.  You told me that that was your father, but now I'm being sentenced to death. Just calm down, your counselor tells you, have faith. Okay, your honor, your attorney says, your honor, father, you are just judge and you have stated that death is prescribed. That, of course, you said that the soul of the sin shall surely die. You never stated that someone could not die in front of him, so I am going to take his place. If someone has to die, I'll do it for him. How much do you love your attorney now? How much do you love your attorney now, the fact that he's dying for you? Wait a minute, you gonna take my sentence for me? Yeah, not just you, not just for you. Your honor, everybody in court room, everybody. That's what he does. And because of that, once the judge has pronounced sentence, you are declared right. No more charges will be brought against you. You are free to go, go as he says and sin no more. That's what we're here to do. If the debt is paid, then there's nothing else owed. That is what Jesus meant when he said to tell us die. There's nothing owed, the plan that was brought out, brought about in the past. That's what the perfect tense is. That was brought about, the father has accepted it and there's no more debt. Therefore, don't let anyone ever, ever. I don't care if they mean well, but they can't spell well. They mean well, but they can't read well. They mean well, but they don't know the Bible well because it's clear, the debt is paid. And so let no one put you back in this fear of being in bondage, be one, how crazy would it be for you to always think and looking over your shoulders, thinking that someone's coming to take what you have when there's no one coming to take it, when there's nothing outstanding.  Do I have a warrant for my arrest? Am I in trouble? You can't even live come. You couldn't drive come, you couldn't go to work come. You couldn't sleep come because you gotta get up in the morning and get in the car again. You couldn't do anything with any kind of confidence. What kind of quality of life do you have? Even though he says I've come to give you life and life more abundantly, you can have no quality of life because you're always living in fear of God re-nigging and taking back what he gave you.  Don't let someone do that to you. I don't care how well they say it.  Misery loves company. It does, even amongst so-called Christians. They love company, fine. Let them have it, you all can have it. You all can have a Christian pity party over there. Over here, we're going to rejoice and what does the Bible says? Let the redeemed of the Lord say so. I'm redeemed, I'm gonna say so. How about you?


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Well, despite the cold and snow, it wasn't too early for some people to hit the trails on a bicycle at Lake Bemidji State Park. Josh Peterson shows us in this week's Northwood's adventure how the Northland Fat Bike Rally continues to grow. For just one weekend in the winter, the trails in Lake Bemidji State Park open up to cyclists that have the itch to pedal their way through the ice and snow.  All over the state and there's some Winnipeg people here so we got kind of an international event now. All right. But otherwise, roughly around two hours away seems to be Fargo, Grand Forks. The fat tires on the bikes flew through the snow covered trail system throughout the park. While it may look easy, fat tire bikes require a little more strength when pedaling. For the most part, maybe a little more endurance to kick those big tires around but for the same reason, I mean that's why we fat bike, we love mountain biking in the summertime. We want to be on our bikes as much as we can. The rally features a 10 and 28 kilometer route and new this year is a kids rally all because of increasing numbers each year. In the three years of holding the rally, they have seen continuous growth, crediting some of that success to the growing popularity of the sport. Fat bikes have been around for about 10 plus years now but in the past three years I'd say it's just really boomed. Now the visibility is out there, people realize that it's not just some big goofy bike. While the rally is not a race, awards are presented to the cyclists with the fastest finishing times. With the real winners coming from this rally will be the students from Trek North Charter School. We're hoping to use this money here that we raise here to purchase bikes, to purchase kits, mechanic equipment as well and really like have a solid amount of bikes for kids to use next year. A bike ride with a purpose and a goal to not only rally along the trails but to rally interest in a growing sport. With this week's Northwoods Adventure in Bemidji, I'm Josh Peterson, Lakeland News. If you've enjoyed this segment of Lakeland News, please consider making a tax-deductible contribution to Lakeland Public Television.


Hello and welcome to this episode of the security angle. I'm your host Shelly Kringer, Managing Director and Principal Analyst here at theCUBE Research and today I'm joined by my long-time friend and fellow Anas, Zia Sikiravala. Zia, welcome. It's great to have you. Hey Shelly, how are you? I am great. Thank you. So today, obviously the security angle, we're going to talk about something security related and I thought that it made sense. I know this last week you were in Vegas at a Fortinet event, so that's what we're going to dive into. So to set the stage here a little bit, in November of 2023, first part of November, Fortinet announced somewhat of a reorg of the company's focus areas and with a view toward focusing on high growth, differentiated markets, smart strategy, right? The three key market focus areas that they that they honed in on at that point in time were secure networking, universal SASE and security operations, converging networking and security, consolidating their product points into an integrated platform was according to their CEO and co-founder, Ken Sia, very, you know, that was their path forward. So again, I'm a strategist. That makes perfect sense. And speaking about these three areas of focus, you know, the TM in these three realms is pretty significant. You've got a total TM in 2023 of about 125 billion, expected to rise to about 199 billion in by 2027. So that is, you know, there's every reason for vendors to be focusing in on these markets, right? So when we talk about just briefly, we talk about secure networking. It's about a $62 billion market today. That's network firewalls, secure switches, access points, 5G gateways. This is expected to grow at about 9% annually, reaching 86 billion by 2027 security operations, also important area of focus, EDR, SOAR, CM, NDR, integrated enterprise grade security tech, all these things enterprises need, right to get insight into operations that are distributed today. This is expected to grow at 14% annually, hitting about 78 billion by 2027. Lots of opportunity there. And universal sassy. It's kind of a hot topic these days. That's at 17 billion today. And this is all different kinds of things, you know, SD-WAN, SWG, CASB, DLP, all different kinds of things, cloud networking, cloud native networking, security tech, everything around designing to simplify the implementation of zero trust strategy, which most organizations are focused on today. Sassy is expected to grow at about 28, 20% annually, hitting 78 billion. So 17 billion today, expected to hit 78 billion by 2027. So there's every reason for them to be focusing on these three market areas. And of course, you know, Sassy has lots of opportunities there. So we've got not quite six months into that shift for Fortinet. And as I said, they had their annual event, Fortinet Accelerate in Vegas this past week. I know the audience was kind of big. I mean, I saw there were like some 4,000 people in attendance. So CSY, do you see the audience, the Fortinet audience growing so quickly? Yeah. And by the way, I think you could say any given week you were in Vegas. So yeah, it was interesting to see the growth. I think part of that is what you reflected is there is a change going on at Fortinet. I think historically thought I was a security company. They've certainly got networking chops now. And so there were more network professionals there. I think also just the relative importance that security is continuing to grow, right, especially the AI cloud driven hybrid work era, where you need more security and more places, the breadth of solutions has grown. I think those three key areas you mentioned as well, reflected at the event. In fact, in Kenzie's keynote, he actually put up a slide which talked about the transition and this next wave of green 4 shorted net where they started off as a just a really good firewall company.  And they created a next generation firewall and they did a good job of becoming one of the leaders in that. And now they're moving into the sassy space where it's about taking these new functions. You mentioned a bunch of them, Swig and CASB and in a ZTNA and bringing those into one platform as well. And that's actually going to fuel the next wave of growth and they've coincidentally grown out their networking for portfolio quite nicely. So all those were all the things that you brought up, I think were reflected the security operations piece. I think they're going to address through AI. They gave a nice little demo of how it could work. We're obviously really early at the stages of, you know, I of this, I talked to John Madison as their CMO, but he's also a head of product there about, you know, are we at the point now where you could use a generative AI interface to be your buddy sock analyst, kind of like Iron Man had Jarvis. And I think you could. It's a big leap of faith. I don't think most people would fully trust it yet. But I think that's certainly the path we're heading down. I think once these things got trained a little more on the data, I do think that that we're heading that way. So I think the reorg that you talked about was well reflected Alex, Alex, and I think the increased audience is because of the increased breadth of product, both in as well as depth that they have today. Well, yeah, that makes perfect sense.  But when you're actually there, you're sitting in on the keynotes and having, you know, briefings and stuff like that, you really get a sense of, you know, kind of the company's messaging and strategic focus and that sort of thing. So, you know, talk with me a little bit about what you hear from Fortinet about how they talk about the value of their platform and what they feel is unique and differentiating about their story. Yeah, this concept of platformization and security isn't new or unique, right? Powell talks about it, Cisco talks about it. Everybody approaches a little differently. Fortinet's approach is to deliver their breadth of products through one hardware platform built on their ASIC, right? They're, they call it their security processing unit and also a single operating system, 40 OS which runs across all the products. Now, their thesis, I do like their thesis on the SPU, the security processing unit, the analogy they've used is when you think of, you know, why do we have a GPU, right? Because CPUs weren't good at doing graphics, higher graphics. And so we had to create a specialty processor to do graphics and that became the GPU which evolved into other things. Same with network processors. Cisco, Arista, companies like that make their own network processors because CPUs don't do that type of processing well. Similarly, you're off to shelf Intel processors. It doesn't do a great job of, you know, pack a processing for security encryption, decryption, things like that. So Fortinet spins their own. And between that and the operating system, what that does is it gives them a consistent set of features that spans all their products. And so if you want to turn on a certain policy, a certain feature under small firewall that goes in a person's home, you can do that. And it's the same procedure as turning it on. They're a large one. It's the same process of turning it on in the cloud.  And by conversation with Johnny, he used the analogy that FortiOS for them is like iOS and Apple, right? On an iPhone, the consumer functions, right? The camera, the music player, things like that. And then all the other products are like the watch and the tablet and things like that, which create this big ecosystem. And so I do like their approach. I think one of the misunderstandings of Fortinet is that they're for small businesses only. I think they do have a very significant price performance advantage. Sometimes customers don't believe it, though, because their price points are more in line with SMB pricing than they are with large enterprise. And Ken Z, their CEO has been pretty firm with the fact that he knows the margin he wants to get. That's the price the product is not going to raise them artificially, just to make them seem to be a bigger product. But I do think that that OS combined with silicon is Yeah, it's a differentiator now. They're never going to be first to market, right? With that approach, they do, if you're going to put stuff in silicon, you need to make sure that that market's a real market. And so they wait for products for markets to hit that on hockey stick inflection before they roll that in. So I look at NVIDIA's GTC, Jensen said, we're not share takers, we're market makers. I think that's the opposite. They're not going to make the market, but they're going to take to share once the market matures. Well, you and I've talked about this separately. It's smart strategically to kind of, you know, trying to create the market to be first to market is heavy lift, but trying to see, you know, but when you can see something developing and maturing, and you can slide in there using that momentum and the awareness and everything else. I mean, that's really smart. Yeah. And if you look back into their markets, nobody buys a standalone IPS anymore, it's built into the NG firewall. So they're trying to, that was sassy now that they assume that customers will eventually want this consolidating down from one vendor. And that's what they're building now. And that that was online. And what you had talked about the transformation of the business being, you know, really around sassy as one of the core pillars today. Well, and, you know, Fortnett claims to be the only company with a sassy function that can perform all functions in the cloud, in an appliance supported by that common operating system, networking, security stack and management console. So that, I mean, that makes it a pretty attractive operate. Yeah, part of that is your definition of sassy though.  Yeah, every vendor's got a different definition. That's and to me, that's a problem for me is there's no universal definition of what sassy is. Yeah. But they do have a lot of functions. So, you know, for the more functions that customers want, they do have them all and they, they can deliver them out of the cloud or even a lot of them are on prem too. So I think one of the things that's interesting to me about Fortnett is that, you know, so okay, so we think of them, we think of them as a security company, oh wait, they're a network, they're a network security company. Oh, wait, they, you know, they just ended up in the leader quadrant for wireless and wireless land. I mean, you know, now is so people think of Fortnett as a security company, but they keep doing things in areas that we don't expect them to have a presence. Talk a little bit about that. Yeah. Historically, I think if you think of a company like Cisco, they're a networking company that sells security and you thought of it as a security company that sells networking, but they've actually been in the leader quadrant in the wired and wireless land. I think shows that they can stand alone as a networking company. They also have a great SD WAN product and there's been this movement to bring networking and security together and no vendor has done a better job of that than Fortnett. I think they were, before SD WAN, they had relatively, almost no presence in the WAN, but they use that transition and build SD WAN, the Fortnett product and now they're one of the mainstream SD WAN players. They built out a very good Wi-Fi product and a very good LAN product and they're selling a lot of secured wired and wireless LANs. I asked John that question, should we be thinking it was a networking company? He says, no, we should think of it as a security networking company. The problem with that is you don't go to an enterprise and say I'm a secure networking buyer. You have networking people security and they do tend to balance that line. I would say most of their sales are still security led versus being networking led, but their product is getting awfully close to the point where they actually could lead with networking if they wanted to. Speaking of that though, if we begin to think of Fortnett as a networking company, then all of a sudden their competitors are Cisco and Palo Alto and Juniper and Sonic Wall and Trip Point. How do they stack up against those players in the market? Well, I'd say it's a different play. It's a bit of a different competitor of landscape. I think even from a channel perspective, they need to get more networking channel partners. They need to be able to speak the language of network administrators versus security administrators that buy networking. There's obviously a learning curve to do there. I think being in the leader quadrant of the MQ certainly validates their approach, but they are up against, like you said, Juniper, HPE, Cisco, Xtreme, some big heavy weights in there. I do think in the mid-sized enterprises, I have seen a lot of companies consolidate network unit security functions. It'll be interesting to see as they go up market though, when the larger companies where those fiefdoms still live, how successful it will be. I thought Cisco was the same problem the other way though. By far, the market share leader in networking and they've been trying to crack the code on how it went security for a long time, but bringing those two functions together isn't easy. I think Fortinet has done a good job with product, but now there's a bunch of other things that revolve around it, including go to market, your partner community, certifications, things like that. Yeah, no, absolutely. Your point on Cisco is well said. We were just actually together at some Cisco briefings in the last couple of weeks, but I think that the fact that Cisco has deep security chops is not new. That's been a foundational part of what Cisco does for a very long time, but you're absolutely right. That's part of the challenge for them. Yeah, there's still only a single percentage. The market doesn't know this. Yeah. And it's clear when you spend time with Cisco leaders, it is clear their passion for security and how important it is and how it's baked into everything, but they do have a similar challenge here, the opposite challenge is communicating that to the market. And a lot of this comes down to messaging and marketing, market perceptions. I feel like one of the big challenges here is for a company that is largely thought to be an SMB solution to crack the enterprise opportunities, I think that becomes more challenging. And that's really where your messaging and your market presence plays such a big role. Yeah, they do have, for it does have a lot of big customers. I just think the perception of them tends to be more midsize. And I'm not sure why they're there. I guess part of it is that's where they came from. I think initially people thought of them as almost like a Barracuda competitor, but I do know there's, when they get a bake off against the other large enterprise players, they do very well. It's a matter of perception right now. And you got to get the opportunity for that bake off, right? Yeah. Yeah, you got to fight your way to the table. So I noticed as I was tracking the event online that unlike most events today, there was not a huge focus on AI. I mean, we're all the same events. It's just AI this and AI this. And that surprised me a little bit because especially with regard to its Fordegard AI, which is its AI-powered security offering, security services offering, but that was released in 2018. So Fortinet is not new to baking AI into its solutions. And one would assume over the course of the last five years, five or six years, that that's really, their focus there, their sophistication there has increased. So this security services portfolio integrates with security system solutions across the Fortinet portfolio provides capabilities of tech apps, content, web traffic, devices, users, regardless of where they're located. So talk with me a little bit about, you know, again, this isn't this portfolio is not newly launched or anything else, but you indicated they didn't really talk all that much about AI. Why do you think that is? I actually, why do you think that is? Well, yeah, I did make it into the keynote. It wasn't, you're reading a kid over the head with it, like I have been at every other conference. And actually it was refreshing. I do think too, Shelley, when it comes to cyber, there's a lot of caution around security. I think the downside risk of doing security raw is, I mean, I'm not even sure you can quantify it, right? But people lose their jobs, companies shut down, data gets stolen, right? So companies lose their job. Eyes are going to be dotted and he's going to be crossed before companies roll this up production. What they did show though was a gen AI demo where someone was able to interface, and it's funny too, because the investors were sitting right behind the analysts, and that was the area they were most interested in. The rest of it, I think it went over their heads or whatever, but they were really interested in this where somebody could interface with the foreign net system and ask you questions about which systems are most at risk and how should I patch them. And so it's there. I think the first phase of what they're going to do is what John Madison mentioned and just almost have it be this just another SecOps analyst that you can bounce things off of. Security operations perspective, it's a way of just maybe doing some balance and checks initially and then being able to roll it there to a recommendations engine and an implementation engine. But I think in security in particular, this is going to be a long road to hoe. And so they brought out some practical things you can, they're looking at right now. But I think the days of having a fully autonomous AI driven security operations that are, I think we're a long way up from that. And the one thing I can say about that is they never outmarket their capabilities. You're not going to see them on TV talking about these pithy things where they can go, they're a very practical company. And I think right now the reality of where we are with AI and security at the very early stages and they treated us. So they didn't want to, I think they were, they're talk tracking them in the, in their key lifts was much more about the here and now and how I can help you do your job today versus what I might be able to do for the future. They did give a glimpse of what that does look like. They just, like I said, was overhead with it. And I do think for this type of event that was refreshing. Yeah, I like that as well. And I will say that I tend to be a very pragmatic person. And I think some of this comes from early in my career. I spent about a decade as a paralegal working for a trial attorney. I think about risk mitigation. I think about risk management. I think about, oh, how exciting it is to go all in on something new and somewhat unproven and untested. But I also think about the guard rails that you need and how you need to approach it with caution and what we need to do internally to train people, you know, all those sorts. There's so many moving pieces here and not just from a security standpoint, just from a utilization of AI throughout the enterprise in general and all that sort of thing. So I like that more pragmatic approach. I like, you know, being grounded in here's what we can deliver today. There are great things ahead on the horizon and we are very much demarced in looking at those things. But here's what we're able to, here's what we're delivering today and we're excited about that that resonates. It depends on the market, sort of, you know, Zoom screws up your meeting summary. You know, you might go into a meeting looking a little foolish. If Fortinet gives a wrong recommendation on how to protect against a threat, like we said, there's some big implications that, right?  And because of that, they're being very pragmatic and like I said about Fortinet, they never want to really market ahead of their capabilities. Excellent. I like that. So I want to wrap this conversation. I think, I mean, I know my answer to this question, I'll be interested to see yours, you know, the challenges ahead for Fortinet to my way of thinking, it's, you know, it's brand messaging. It's, you know, marketing. It's really kind of working to gain more share of voice because more share of voice leads to more share of market. I mean, this is a crowded space, especially in the three areas that they are focusing in. So to me, you know, sometimes that investment in marketing and customs and that's, that's a really important part of the equation. But what do you see as the biggest challenge ahead and, you know, what Fortinet should do in the next six months? Yeah. Well, I'd like to see Fortinet become more of a marketing machine than I'm going to.  They're an engineering company, NZ's an engineer, Michael Z is brothers and engineer, right? John Madison, there's CMO's an engineer. So when you're marketing person, engineer, what does it tell you about the company? I do think for the security industry and Fortinet's back in the middle of this, I guess that the concept of convergence and consolidation down to a platform is real. I do believe customers want to come down, bring down the number of vendors. I think highlighting how your platform is different and the value that brings like you look at the approach between Palo Alto and them couldn't be any more different. Palo Alto's platformers do a lots of acquisitions. They, they very much market ahead of their capabilities to try and set the vision for the industry. For and it builds on capabilities, they market to where the, to where the industry is now, but they can both legitimately say they're a platform, right? And so how customers view these and how they test them largely depends on the vendor they're looking at. Unfortunately, they're the partner they use. And I think so for a Fortinet perspective, it's actually been able to quantify the value of their platform. What does it mean to you operationally? What does it mean to you for cost perspective? Things like that. And so I think it's going to be interesting to see what other vendors pop up their head in the platform game, crowd-strakes making some noise there as the skitters are picking up, but Cisco certainly is. And so the word platform in security isn't a new one. It's becoming more used by more companies, which creates confusion in the industry. So I don't think there's any question that Fortinet from a product perspective will make the shift to sassy. But as that becomes the foundation of their platform, they do need to be able to, to your point, be able to, to market tells customer stories, be able to qualify the value a little bit more. And you know, that's something historically that they've struggled with. And the, they rely, I can tell you one thing, the customers love them, right? You talk to the customers there, but, but sometimes they don't get as many swings at the bat because of perception. And well, that's really, that's really where marketing comes in. And you know what? I've worked with engineers my whole career. And I love engineers, but there's more to success with a product and growing and scaling a company and grabbing market share than just having a great product because, you know, it is that awareness and it is. And again, you're, we're talking about, you know, almost a 200 billion market by 2027. There's so much opportunity here. I'm not suggesting that they, that Fortinet, you know, sit around and, you know, be quiet or rest on its laurels in any way. But, but the reality of it is a great product and great messaging work together to grab more market share. So that's what I look forward to seeing from Fortinet, moving forward. And you know what? We'll see what happens, right? Yeah. You know, like I said, that from a product perspective, they do an excellent job. But it's, I think it's helping customers understand the value of their platform with respect to all the other ones out there. Yeah. We'll see you as Caravella. I thank you so much for joining me today on this episode of the security angle. It is always a pleasure and to our viewing and listening audience. Thanks for spending time with us. And we'll see you here again next week. All right. Thanks, Sean.