Then, we will consider come to the measurement or how we generally get the value or how we compute the value of price elasticity of demand. So, if you look at how we are going to measure the price elasticity of demand in a typical demand curve. So, if you are taking a linear demand curve, here we take as price where you take as the quantity demanded. Each point of the demand curve it gives us the different quantity of price and quantity combination. So, this is P 1, this is P 2, this is Q 1, this is Q 2. Suppose, it is a point A, this is point B. So, when it come to the computation of price elasticity of demand, when you compute the price elasticity of demand at a individual point either at point A or either at point B, generally this is known as point elasticity of demand. But, when you measure the elasticity of demand in a segment like between A and B in the linear demand curve, what is the price elasticity of demand that generally known as the arc elasticity of demand. So, there are again two type of price elasticity of demand when it comes to the computation. One when we measure the elasticity at a point and second one is one when we measure the elasticity of demand in a segment or in a arc and this in the first case this is known as the point elasticity of demand and second case it is known as the arc elasticity of demand. Let us see what are the formulas to compute this point elasticity of demand and the arc elasticity of demand. So, in case of measurement of price elasticity of demand, we follow the same formula again that elasticity is the percentage change in the Q and the percentage change in the price and if you simplify this that gives you the del Q by Q multiplied by 100 and del P upon P multiplied by 100. If you simplify this, we get a formula where you say that E is equal to del Q del P multiplied by P by Q. So, this is change in the quantity demanded, this is change in the price, this is the original price, this is the original quantity demanded. This is the formula we use when we calculate the point elasticity of demand. Now, what happens when we are calculating the arc elasticity of demand? In this case also if you look at the formula or the basis of calculation remain constant, there is no change in that that is del Q by del P and P by Q, but here the P and Q because since it is in a segment, we take the average P between two point and we take the average Q between two point. So, this is like if you look at in the previous graph. So, if you are calculating between A and B, in this case to calculate the elasticity of demand, we require del Q by del P multiplied by P 1 plus P 2 by 2 and Q 1 plus Q 2 by 2 because since we are calculating in a segment, we need to take the average price between both the points when we are considering what is the original P and original Q before the change in the price.  So, this is the case when you calculate the arc elasticity of demand that is elasticity between two points. So, as you see in this slide also, this is arc elasticity of demand del Q by del P and that leads that is multiplied by average of P and Q. So, average P Q is like average price between two points and average Q between two points in which segment generally you are measuring the arc elasticity of demand. Now, we see how the total revenue changes in case of elastic demand and inelastic demand. Here we have taken a case of a demand curve, linear demand curve and how we generally find out the revenue? The revenue is the area under the curve that is price and quantity. So, if you are taking a specific point and you are finding out the revenue, then how do you find out it generally?  Multiplying price and quantity gives us the revenue. So, corresponding to the point as mentioned in the graph, the corresponding quantity is 100 unit, the corresponding price is 4 rupees. So, the revenue is equal to 400. Now, we will see how the total revenue changes when price changes in case of inelastic demand. In case of inelastic demand, the demand curve is more steeper, but in case of elastic demand, the demand curve is more flatter. So, in case of inelastic demand as you see and the first point price is 1 rupees and the revenue is the quantity demanded is 100 units. That leads to the revenue which is equal to 100 because price is 1 and quantity demanded is 100, P multiplied by Q that gives us the revenue which is equal to may be 100 rupees. Now, price increases from 1 rupees to 3 rupees. Remember this is the case of inelastic demand where the responsiveness of the buyer is little less as compared to the elastic demand. So, even if there is a change in the price from 1 rupees to 3 rupees, if you look at the change in the price is almost more than double, still the quantity demanded is just changing by 20 percent that is 80 units because this is the case of your inelastic demand. So, if you look at the that leads to the revenue which is equal to 240 rupees because price is 3 rupees and quantity demanded is 80 units. So, if it is a case of inelastic demand, if you look at revenue is more because even if there is a increase in the price, still there is no decrease in the quantity demanded. Next we will check how it happens in case of the elastic demand, how the total revenue changes when there is a change in the price. So, if you look at here look at the graph the demand curve which flatter because this is the case of your elastic demand. Initially the price is may be 4 rupees and the quantity demanded is 50 units. So, this is revenue is 200 units. Price may be increases from 4 rupees to 5 rupees. The quantity demanded look at the change in the quantity demanded. Again remember this is the case of elastic demand. Small change in the price will lead to greater change in the quantity demanded. So, the change in the price is 25 percent, but if you look at the change in the quantity demanded look at it is from the 50 unit to 20 units. So, the change in the quantity demanded is more than 50 percent. So, in this case what happens to the revenue? The revenue becomes exactly half if you look at because there is a small change in the price, but there is a greater change in the quantity demanded. So, there is a decrease in the total revenue when there is a increase in the price in case of the elastic demand. So, this is the case of a linear demand curve at the different point of the linear demand curve the elasticity of demand takes a different value. So, if you look at in the linear demand curve at this segment elasticity is less than 1, at this segment elasticity is greater than 1 and at the mid point elasticity is equal to 1. So, this is the elastic segment of the demand curve and this is the inelastic segment of the demand curve. In this case if you look at the elasticity is equal to 0 and in this case the elasticity is equal to infinite. So, if in a typical linear demand curve at different points the elasticity of demand takes different value. In case of mid point E is equal to 1, in the upper segment it is a elastic segment E is greater than 1, at the extreme point we get the value E which is equal to infinite, at the lower segment it is a inelastic segment elasticity is less than 1 and at the x axis corresponding to the x axis E is equal to 0. Now, if you summarize the relationship between the price elasticity and total revenue what happens when there is a increase in the price and there is a decrease in the price. If you look at the table then elastic the first column talks about elastic the second elastic demand the second column is unitary elastic demand and the third column is inelastic demand. In case of elastic demand there is a dominance of Q effect because quantity demanded changes more than price. In case of unitary elastic no dominant effect because the percentage change in the price is just equal to percentage change in the quantity demanded and in case of inelastic demand there is a dominance of P effect because the change in the quantity demanded is less than change in P. There is a increase in the price if it is a case of elastic demand total revenue decreases because small change in the price the consumer they become responsive to the change in the price they are sensitive to the change in the price. In case of unitary elastic there is no change in the tear may be the very insignificant change in the total revenue and in case of inelastic demand total revenue increases because when there is a increase in the price still there is no significant decrease or not more decrease in the quantity demanded. Similarly, in case of decrease in the price total revenue increases because decrease in the price small decrease in the price will lead to greater increase in the quantity demanded and that is the reason total revenue increases. There is no change in the total revenue or total revenue are very insignificant change in the total revenue in case of unitary elastic and in case of inelastic generally the total revenue decreases. Now, we will see what are the determinants of the price elasticity of demand because till now we know that price elasticity of demand the value is dependent on the by what percentage the quantity demanded is changing due to change in the price or how much the consumer responsive to the change in the price. Then we will see that why the buyers or why the consumer their responsiveness to the change in the price in a different pattern in a different time period will then we will see what are the underlying factors that buyers behave or the buyers sensitive to the change in the price. The first determinants of the first factors which decide or which determines the price elasticity of demand is the nature of the commodity. So, let me introduce the concept of different kind of goods or the different kind of commodity. We have basically three types of commodity or the goods one is luxury goods, second one is the comfort good and third one is the necessity goods. Necessity good is one which is necessity for the life or necessity for the survival. Comfort goods are one where at least we get some level of compatibility just not the necessity and luxury good is at the name suggest what we require for the luxury. But do remember here that across all the income segment the definition of luxury comfort and necessity good are not same. Like if you take the example for someone if the mobile is necessity someone it is comfort someone it is for the luxury. Take the case of laptop may be for someone it is necessity for someone it is just comfort and someone it is luxury or if take a case of your television or take a case of your branded clothes for someone again it is necessity for someone it is comforted for someone it is luxury goods. Now, who are the someone here the different income group and the income group is again categorized into three types of income group one is low income group, second one is the middle income group and third one is the high income group. So, if you look at for something for a typical good if it is necessity for the high income group may be a comfort for the middle income group and for a luxury for a low income group. Like owning a house in a metro may be it is a necessity for a high income group may be a comfort for a middle income group or may be for luxury for a low income group. So, after this definition of this different type of goods let us see how this nature of the commodity generally influence the price elasticity of demand. The demand for luxury goods is more price elastic than the demand for the necessity and comfort. Why the demand for a luxury good is more price elastic because this is not necessity this is not comfort you can postpone the purchases like if it is there is a increase in the price you are not going to buy it immediately you can postpone it because this is not required for your may be survival. So, in this case what will what generally the consumer do the consumer wait for a time when the price comes to again to a moderate level or there is a decrease in the price and they postpone the consumption of the luxury good. That is the reason the demand for luxury good is more price elastic because the buyers they are more sensitive to change in price simply because they can postpone their consumption at a later period of time when price comes down or price comes to a moderate level. On that basis it can be said that the demand for luxury good is more price elastic than the demand for the necessity and the comfort. The demand for necessity good is price in elastic because it is necessity for life you cannot postpone the purchases or you cannot reduce the purchases whatever may be the price still you have to do the purchases still you have to consume the product and that is the reason the demand for necessity good is price in elastic. When it comes to the comfort goods it has be more elastic demand than the necessity and less elastic demand than the luxury. Even if it is a comfortable goods you cannot postpone the entire all the comfort goods required and that is the reason it is partly elastic partly in elastic but it is more elastic than the necessity because this is not required for survival and less elastic demand for a luxury like if you are taking a case of buying a two wheeler. You know when there is a price when there is a increase in the price maybe you can postpone it for a few months buying this two wheeler you can still use a public transport. But it is less elastic demand than the luxury you cannot postpone it maybe for two years maybe for three years to a longer time because it gives you a comfort when you cannot travel maybe when you have a capacity to own a two wheeler maybe you will always prefer to go go by that because it is a comfort for you and you can maybe just wait for a few months to come the price comes to down but you cannot you wait for a longer time period for two years three years and that is the reason this is less elastic than the luxury. But when it leads to look for a asset like maybe it is a jewelry it is maybe a house or it may be something in that category you can again postpone it the purchase is for two years three years maybe one year down the line till the time price comes to the moderate level. So, the comfort product is one which have more elastic demand than the necessity but the less elastic demand than the luxury. The second are determinants of price elasticity of demand is availability and proximity of the substitute. I think we have already introduced the concept of substitute goods like tea coffee or maybe petrol, diesel these are the substitute goods because you can consume one it gives the same level of utility both the goods they give the same level of usefulness of same level of utility. The higher the degree of closeness between the commodity and its substitute the greater the price elasticity of demand for the commodity. So, higher the degree of closeness between the commodity and the substitute the greater the price elasticity of demand for the commodity. Like if it is tea or coffee if you are considering these two they are closely substituted if the price of tea increases the consumer will be more sensitive and they move to the coffee because it almost give the same usefulness to the consumer. So, in this case more is the availability of the substitute and the proximity of substitute higher the degree of closeness between the commodity and its substitute. Then the third determinant of price elasticity demand is the what is the proportion of income spent on the commodity or the goods by the consumer. The larger the proportion of income spent on the commodity the greater will be the elasticity of demand for such commodity and vice versa. So, if you look at suppose if you are spending from your monthly budget you are spending 20 percent on transport. If the price of transport increases it will be more elastic because you all you will prefer to move to a different mode of transport because you are spending 20 percent of your monthly budget on that. So, in this case the demand is more elastic. But suppose if you are just taking one cup of coffee in a day which cost you just 6 rupees 7 rupees if the price of coffee increases to 8 rupees may be you will not prefer to change or you will not prefer to look for the other alternates or the substitute available in the market because the proportion of money what you are spending on this good is insignificant less as compared to the other goods in the in your monthly budget. So, if it if you are spending less proportion of your income on this product then the demand is in elastic the buyer is less responsive. But if you are spending more on it more proportion of your income on a typical goods and if the price of goods increases you always look for the alternate immediately the consumer is more responsive and the nature of elasticity of demand is elastic. Similarly, time it plays a get greater role when it comes to determinants of price elasticity of demand. The longer the adjustment time the greater is the price elasticity of demand. If you see that the time is there immediately there is no you do not have to make the changes in the quantity demanded you always look for alternates you know that the price like you take the example of LPG the price of LPG is going to increase. Now, there is a time available for the consumer to do their adjustment whether they are going to a different mode of cooking different mode of water heating. So, there is a longer adjustment time in this case people they will be more sensitive to the change in the price. But when something happens immediately like you come to know that the petrol price is going to increase from tonight in that case you cannot restrict your travel for the next few weeks because you are not going to do the immediate arrangement with respect to change in the price. So, the longer is the adjustment time the elasticity of demand is elastic the less is the adjustment time the elasticity of demand is may be inelastic or less elastic. Then there are two more determinants of price elasticity of demand that is durability of the commodity and item of addiction. If it is a item of addiction whatever the change in the price the consumer is not going to change the quantity demanded because someone is addicted to that and in this case the demand is inelastic. But if you look at if it in this case we can consider the goods in question cannot be a normal goods. So, that is the reason it the demand has to be inelastic and when it comes to durability of the commodity like if when you are buying a durable good and when you are buying a non durable good it will be more sensitive to the price change for the durable goods because you know that you are going to use it for the longer time period. But it will be less sensitive to the change in the price of the non durable good because you know if you are buying something in 5 rupees today tomorrow also if you are going to you are just using it and tomorrow again you are going to do a fresh consumption or fresh buying. So, that is the reason you are not changing not reacting much to the non durable good, but you are reacting much to the durable goods because you are doing it a one time investment and there is a lifetime you are not changing very frequently. So, it is the proportion of income spent on the commodity what is the nature of the goods what are the substitute available in the market whatever the time period for adjustment durability of the commodity item of addiction these are the some of the factors which generally influence the value of the price elasticity of demand apart from this also there is one more factor is there like what is the usability of the goods like if you took the case of your energy right electricity electricity you use for cooking you use for lighting you use for your comfort goods you use for your laptops you use for various reason. So, when there is a change in the price of electricity people they will be more sensitive because the consumption is more because it is for the multi usage. So, in this case the what is the usage of the commodity that also plays a greater role in identifying the value of price elasticity of demand because greater is the value of or greater is the usage greater is the value of price elasticity of demand and greater is the the demand is more elastic as compared to the other goods. So, today's session because decided we started our price elasticity of demand like what is elasticity of demand what is price elasticity of demand specifically on the what happens to quantity demanded when there is a change in the price then we talked about the measurement of price elasticity of demand like point elasticity of demand arc elasticity of demand how to measure in next class we are going to do some exercises like how to find out the value of price elasticity of demand using the point elasticity method and the arc elasticity method and we will discuss few other type elasticity of demand like income elasticity of demand and cross price elasticity demand. So, these are the session references for this typical chapter and we will continue our discussion on the elasticity of demand again on the next session.


Though many reported feeling better on Dr. Kempner's rice and fruit diet, he refused to accept that as evidence of success. He wanted objective measurements, the most famous of which were his so-called eye grounds photographs, taken with a special camera that allowed one to visualize the back of the eye. And in doing so, he proved that not only could diet arrest the bleeding, oozing, and swelling you can see in the back of the eye of people with severe kidney hypertensive or heart disease, but actually reverse it. Something never even thought possible. Here's the before, here's the after. Reversal to such a degree that even patients who could no longer distinguish any objects have been able to read fine print. A reversal of blindness with diet. The results were so dramatic that the head of the Department of Ophthalmology, a duke where Kempner worked, was questioned as to whether they were somehow faked. He assured them that they were not. In fact, he wrote in one person's chart, this patient's eye grounds are improved to an unbelievable degree. Not only had he never seen anything like it, he doesn't even remember ever seeing a patient with such advanced disease, even being alive 15 months later. The magnitude of the improvements Kempner got were surprising. Reversal of end stage, heart, and kidney failure, simply beyond belief. But as Kempner said as his closing sentence of a presentation before the American College of Physicians, the important result is not that the change in the course of the disease has been achieved by the rice diet, but that the course of the disease can be changed at all. Now that we have high blood pressure drugs, we see less hypertensive retinopathy, but still a lot of diabetic retinopathy, with the leading cause of blindness in American adults. Even with intensive diabetes treatment, at least three insulin injections a day, with the best modern technology has to offer, like these implantable insulin pumps, the best we can offer is usually just a slowing of the progression of the disease. So we can, in the 21st century, slow down your blindness. But a half a century ago, Kempner proved you could reverse it. Kempner started out using his plant-based ultra-low sodium-fat cholesterol protein rice diet to reverse kidney and heart failure, but assumed it would make diabetes worse. He expected a 90% carbohydrate diet would increase insulin requirements. However, the opposite proved to be true. He just took the next 100 patients with diabetes and walked through his door that went on the rice diet for at least three months, and their fasting blood sugars dropped. Despite a drop in the amount of insulin they were taking, but this is what blew people away. 44 of the patients had diabetic retinopathy, and in 30% of the cases, their eyes improved, from like this to this. That's not supposed to happen. Diabetic retinopathy is considered a sign of irreversible destruction. What does this mean in real life? Unable to even read headlines to normal vision. The remarkable success Dr. Kempner had, reversing some of the most dreaded complications of diabetes with his rice and fruit diet, was not because of weight loss, the improvements occurred even in those patients that did not lose significant weight. So it must have been something specific about the diet. Maybe it was his total elimination of animal protein, total elimination of animal fat, total elimination of cholesterol, or radical reduction in sodium, fat, and protein. In general, we don't know. But how do we treat diabetic retinopathy these days, with steroids and other drugs injected straight into your eyeballs? And if that doesn't work, there's pan-retinal laser photo-quagulation, in which laser burns are etched over nearly your entire retina.  Why would they do that? The theory is that by killing off most of the retina, the little pieces you leave behind may get more of the blood flow. When I see this, along with Kempner's work, I can't help but feel like history has been reversed. Like, yeah, can you believe 50 years ago, the best we had was this barbaric burn out your socket surgery? But thank goodness we've since learned that through dietary means alone, we can reverse the blindness. But instead of learning, medicine seems to have forgotten.


For this last video of the research and writing workshop that we have here I want to talk a little bit about the next steps that you're going to be taking in this overall process and So that that includes thinking a little bit about where you're going to be going in terms of drafting and becoming familiar with the resources that you have that support you along the way so Just once again to reiterate the the overall model that basically what you want to be doing is taking that inquiry question That was talked about at the beginning of the workshop and be transitioning that towards a thesis or a main claim And then in turn your sub questions are going to be transitioning towards subclaims where they have those Those separate sources speaking to them and they're going to be using those rhetorical moves in order to speak to those subclaims And the subclaims in turn also have rhetorical moves that they can be used in terms of how they they speak to your Thesis and a good way to kind of illustrate how this plays out is to use an example of what you what I would recommend You don't do and contrast that with some an example where it would be a good example of how to do it So in this example what you see on the screen right now It's basically much more like it's closer to an annotated bibliography than it is to actually Examining a literature in an actual review of literature within a paper or essay And so in this case you can see that we're leading with the sources every single time Martin and Pesco Solido and and took and we have our citation in there and all that's fine But the problem is that's just a standalone paragraph that just has to do with the source And then we list another source and then we list another source It's not very engaging for your reader to be seeing something like this, but it's also You're not as likely to be exploring the ideas and inserting your own voice into the overall process and adding critically to the dialogue around an issue Instead what you can do is lead with your claims those sub claims that you're gonna be making so in this case You see what is highlighted and green those are the actual claims And then we provide evidence within the paragraph that backs up each one of those claims And so the citations show up later on They're not going to be in the lead sentences because this is not an annotated bibliography So it will build it out in that way and you're gonna be structuring something This can be much more engaging for your instructor to read and anybody else that it might be reading your paper Now to conclude things I do want to note that linked Below this video on the workshop page that there are these resources the hackerel research and writing studio Is a resource to support you in your overall research and writing and reading process? So any any part of the the process along the way we have staff that are available to help you and we are Available online so and so that you can Chat with us live or you can submit papers to us, but we also have a library information tutorial that is linked there where you can Get some more background information on the overall research and writing process if you choose to do that So you have these resources that are available to you Please take advantage of them because they're great resources and also the I'll just note that the submitted drafts Feature that we have on the research and writing studio website is one of our more popular resources And the way that will often respond to you is to make a video screencast similar to this one Where we'll be going through your paper and talking about strategies That you might be taking in order to improve it along the way But just to be clear in terms of expectations one of the things that we don't do is we're not a copy editing service So we're not going to mark up your paper and tell you everything wrong with it and tell you what to fix exactly or fix it For you instead what we're going to do is work with you on the strategy so that you can implement Steps in order to make the paper better yourself Because we are a learning service to support you in your learning of the writing and research process If you have any further questions don't hesitate to either contact me directly or contact the research from writing studio staff And we'll be happy to work with you


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Everybody, we're back. This is Dave Vellante. I'm with Wikibon.org, and this is theCUBE. SiliconANGLE's continuous coverage of Dell World 2012. We're here down in Austin. We've been covering this event wall-to-wall. We had Michael Dell on yesterday, number of leading executives, and you know, when we come to events like this, we talk about solutions, we talk about the hardware, we talk about the software, we talk about the products, but where the rubber meets the road in this industry and has for decades is the developer community. And we're here with Barton George and Dave Coté of Dell. We're going to talk about that. We're going to talk about those trends. We're going to talk about DevOps and all the action that's going on there. Gentlemen, welcome to theCUBE. Thank you very much for having us. So you guys are very active in the developer space. You've got, we're going to talk about Project Sputnik, which is this new thing you guys have going on. So why don't you talk about your general approach to developers and what's going on here at Dell World, and then we'll get into it. Yeah, so the way we got into this is that my day job is the head of the web vertical. So basically we're focusing on those people from the startups in the dorm room, all the way up to the Googles and the Facebooks. And how do we better understand and serve them as customers? As we started digging in, and Coté helped out quite a bit with this, is we realized, of course, as you say, rubber meets the road. It's the developers specifically in this community. You can't go anywhere. You can't do anything without the developer. So what we did was we started looking at solutions that we could create that would target these developers specifically. And what we came up with was Project Sputnik, which is this whole idea of taking an XPS 13 laptop, which is our thin ultrabook, putting Ubuntu on it, the OS of choice of most developers, and then connecting it to the cloud. And so that was the basic concept behind that. Okay, so where are you at with Sputnik? Is it something that you just recently launched? Yeah, it came out nine days ago, basically, the 29th. And I think the thing that's really exciting about this is it started its life as a Skunkworks project within Dell. So one of the things that we've been trying to do is Coté, along with a couple other folks within the company, has set up an internal innovation incubation program. So basically, they're acting like a little angel fund within Dell, saying, hey guys, there's probably a lot of people within Dell who have ideas locked up in their heads that probably wouldn't make it through the normal processes. So if we get those people to come to us and pitch them, we'll pick the ideas that we think are the ones that are most likely to succeed and then back those. And so Sputnik, which is what I pitch, was the first one. And so this was back in March 15th. It was basically slideware, and we got the go ahead. We announced the project, as a project, the Ubuntu Developer Summit on the 7th of May. We then announced, two months later, a beta program. We got 6,000 applications from people around the world who want to be part of this beta program. And that was what really pushed us over the edge and said, you know what, this is realistic for a true product. And so we then set the wheels in motion, announced it at OSCON, and then pushed it from there, and then it finally came out as a real product here in the States on the 29th. So Dave, let's talk a little bit about DevOps.  I mean, you go back to Agile and Scrom, and now we're seeing this DevOps movement take off, and I think many, many more people are familiar with it now, but essentially, you're seeing examples where DevOps is being implemented as having, delivering massive improvements in developer productivity. So I wonder if you could talk about that a little bit, explain the concept for those who might not be familiar with it, and then we can talk a little bit more about Dell's angle. Sure, so like with all the emerging theories of software development, there's probably like five different definitions. But I like to focus on the reasons why people do it, and essentially the idea is in starting in the consumer space, and then more and more in the business enterprise space, like to be competitive, you want to get new features out and new software out as quickly as possible, right? Like you open up some app on your phone, and if it hasn't been updated in a while, you probably are bored with it, right? Like you want new features. And so a lot of where DevOps came from was this idea of how do we accelerate development so we can push more features out more frequently, like a couple times a week or maybe even more instead of waiting six, 12, 18 months. And so also in a cloud context, what becomes important is you have to worry a lot more about the infrastructure and the cloud platform you're deploying to, not just the software you're writing. So developers are forced to be a lot more system administrator minded. And so what DevOps is trying to do is fold together those two ideas so you can really accelerate the delivery of your software. And also, there's all sorts of phrases like, I think software defined stuff is like the new way of putting it, but basically you look at your infrastructure as programmable, right? You look at your infrastructure as just an extension of your application. And developers are a lot more interested in knowing how they can program that to get their software out quickly. And there's a whole bunch of tools and other stuff wrapped around it. But that's the general idea of DevOps. Yeah, so what do you see as the skills around that? I mean, is it DevOps or are you seeing ops dev and how are the successes occurring in the marketplace? What do you see as working? I think the main thing, like with a lot of shifts in development, you need a developer who's tolerant of being curious, if that makes sense, right? So, you know, they've got to be willing to get their hands dirty with system administrator stuff and kind of understand what's going on below their runtime level, outside of their area of comfort. Now, thankfully they don't have to like do that perfectly because there's a lot of tools like, one of the things we use in Spudnik is this open source tool Chef that seeks to automate a lot of things. And then there's Puppet and CF Engine and some other things. But what's been interesting to occur is a lot of those tools, most of those were written by system administrators who became very good programmers. And so it appeals to programmers a lot and it's a much more programmer friendly approach to doing system administration and doing system admin stuff. And so a developer just has to be willing to like, you know, use a man page every now and then understand like what's happening at the lower operating system level and just sort of expand beyond the sort of sandbox comfort that we like the dot net and Java error made us pretty comfortable with way back in the early 2000s. Yeah, so you guys are doing a lot in the OpenStack community. Everybody's now hopping on the bandwagon, right? I mean, my sense is a lot of companies are joining OpenStack because they don't want to get left out of the open conversation. I mean, you guys were there in the early days. What do you see is happening in OpenStack? Clearly a lot of developers are excited about it. You go to the OpenStack events and it's developers are saying, hey, this is the real deal. It's going to happen. I've actually said to a lot of CIOs it's not ready for prime time yet there's a lot of big companies behind it. What's your take on OpenStack and particularly in the context of the discussion we're having here today? Well, I think what we've done, it's not for the faint of heart quite yet. So I think you're correct in that assessment. The labor of love. But what we've done with Sputnik is we've taken it, as I said, as a client to cloud solution, the idea of being that OpenStack is where you're going to be deploying it to. Now you can also do it to Amazon. You can also, we're trying to get it so that it also works to our vCloud. But the primary target we're thinking of is OpenStack for it. And we think there's going to be a community around that to develop it. But I'll turn it over to Kote to talk a little bit more broadly about this as in his day job as the head of strategy for our cloud efforts here. He can give you his own thoughts there. Yeah, we actually have a group that's been bringing OpenStack to market for a while now. And the types of customers they have are what I would call sophisticated people. They're users and customers who know what they want and they're willing to put together the parts of OpenStack. But increasingly, we get a tremendous amount of interest on people coming to us and just saying they want to use OpenStack to run their private cloud. Or they're interested in the compatibility that OpenStack would promise between a private cloud and an open cloud. And so I think it is, if you think back to the Linux days, right? Like it is, the state of OpenStack is like the early days of Linux. Kind of like, I don't know, let's say 99, 2001 or so, right? And like today or was it yesterday? But sometime at Dell World here, we announced a very strong commitment to OpenStack. And I think increasingly, as you see more big commitments like that from the players. Again, to be analogous to the Linux world, you probably remember back when IBM and Oracle were like, yep, Linux is a big deal. And then that helped accelerate OpenStack work. And like you're saying, there's a tremendous amount of vendor interest and effort around OpenStack. But also a tremendous amount of people who really just want an open platform with a rich, vibrant community around it. And that's the sense that people get, is that of all the OpenCloud platforms you could choose, there's lots of stuff hanging around it. Yeah, well, every decade or so, we see this confluence of events. You mentioned IBM and Oracle. Not really teaming up, but sort of going in the same direction, frankly, against Microsoft. I mean, I remember Steve Mills said, we're going to spend a billion dollars on open source. Exactly. And it was a really effective way to compete. I mean, in a way, I look at OpenStack and I see Amazon charging into the enterprise and I see a lot of people saying, whoa, wait a minute, there's maybe a better way that's more open and something that we can participate in. Is that, do you think that's a fair assessment? Yeah, I think that the way I think about it is, there's, if we put out mainframes and AS 400s and those older platforms, there's basically two giant platforms at the moment. There's Linux and Microsoft, right? And those are big platforms for just generic IT. And I think increasing the way you'll see, and then VMware is sort of substrated around that as another, I don't know if it's a full platform or a half, but it's a thing you run IT on, it's very important. And I think as you see OpenStack emerge, it'll be whatever the count is, it'll be another platform over the next five or 10 years and things will just run on that platform. And that's what's exciting for us at Dell and all the other people who are interested in the industry is like, there's a whole new platform. And so it's kind of like a nice green field that you can go out there and bring your customers along with you and actually build that platform out to fit the needs that they have and also put a nice business around it. And so I think that's the opportunity we would have with OpenStack. You mentioned VMware. What do you make of the recent moves to spin out Cloud Foundry and all the cool kids have set up their own shop now under Pivotal. So it's sad. Pivotal Labs, you mean? Yeah, yeah, there's a lot of fun assets they have in there. I was always a big fan of Spring Source. I'm an old Java developer and I really like the work that they did. Yeah, they've got a good collection of stuff there for application developers. Well, I think there's, I have to say, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I'm not as nearly as close to the space as you guys are, but the developers I've talked to felt like they were sometimes getting mixed signals from VMware in terms of the commitment. So, you know, maybe this'll solidify that. Yeah. Well, it was interesting, I think, just seeing Paul Moritz over the last couple of years and talking about VMware, how he went from focusing more on the traditional VMware. The last time I saw him speak, it was all about Spring Source. It was all about Cloud Foundry. It was all about this new stuff. And so I think he was laying that foundation, sort of dropping the hints, and now it's been set out. In fact, one of the things that we've got here showing, here is called FastPass, which is a pass offering that we have that's built on top of Cloud Foundry. And I think one of the things that this shows is also illustrative of is the fact that we at Dell are trying to do things a little bit more experimentally. In other words, not wait until they're completely baked to get out there. For a lot of these things like open source, like this pass solution, get it out there. Get people to react to it in much more of an agile kind of a DevOps way and then take it back, take that feedback and correct on it. In fact, that's the way we ran the entire Project Sputnik was from the very beginning, getting people to blog on it, to talk about it and idea storm. What do you like? What do you don't like about it? And take that feedback to course correct along the way. And I think that that's something that we're going to see more of us doing doing more of in the future. So how about the Hadoop and the big data crowd?  I mean, you guys developing Absolutely, in fact, we have a lot of, to throw HPC into the mix, but let's just say grids that do a lot of data crunching. Like the open-sac business we have does a lot of interesting work in standing up Hadoop clusters. And yeah, I mean, there's a tremendous amount of interest in. And again, starting with the generalized thing of HPC and maybe the way you solve it is with Hadoop or maybe there's all these ways. But yeah, there's a lot of interest in doing things with data. And I think that's one of the things that's attractive for Dell about cloud is because of the, not only the economic shift of cloud making things more affordable, but also because of the agility that it brings. In my opinion, it means that it makes enterprise class technologies applicable and easy to consume by the wider market. And that's where Dell does really well is like, you don't have to be like a giant bank to have like a really good data crunching cluster, right? Like it can be easy to stand up a Hadoop thing and affordable and then you can like rent a supercomputer for 10 minutes, right? Give the underdogs an advantage. Right, right. Or the levels of the playing field, I guess. Yeah, and it's like, it's always great when like a previously esoteric, expensive, but interesting technology gets just like spread across the market to see what they do with it. I mean, there's kind of no predicting what happens. Like, you know, like, what's an example? Like square is an interesting example, right? Where like, you go to the food truck wagons around town and everyone's got a square device. And it's just like, what? Like, I mean, that's fascinating that that happens. So, and I think we, and we do actually have an offering based on Cloudera's distribution of Hadoop. And that's what we've partnered with. So that's something we've been looking at. We've got partnerships also with Pentaho on top of that. And who else have we partnered with, you know? It's mostly Cloudera and the Hadoop. It's a CDH, you package it up solutions for Hadoop. So you don't have to be, you know, map-reduced genius to deploy. Exactly, yeah. Great. And actually the second incubation project we have is this project called Riptide. And it's not a Hadoop thing, but it's based around the idea of how do we easily package up business intelligence for people to buy. And there's a little, well, little compared to Dell. They're a big company. But there's a small company down in San Antonio that does sports equipment. And they're using this Riptide product to just analyze their sales data and just find out how they can sell things better, find their top sales performers, like companies that buy all of their equipment, like all this raw data. And it's a good example of how you take what was previously a very expensive, hard to use technology and package it up and simplify it so that it's just applicable to lower parts of the market basically. So it's BI in a box? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like one of the other guys, this guy at NAMDI, who's my boss now, who also helps run the incubation fund, he, I think when this project was pitched to him the previous week and he'd seen a Magic Jack commercial. And he was like, we got to have Magic Jack for BI. Just like, it's an easy thing to plug in. And that's totally what the intention is. It's like, plug it in, hook it up to Salesforce, hook it up to your on-premise database or whatever, and it'll just kind of integrate things together with you. And we use Boomi for that, which is a data integration asset that we have. And, you know, we have hardware laying around every now and then we can do something with. And it's nice. Well, it could be, could you play? You could connect it. Exactly. Yeah, right. And you can imagine that you could burst out to cloud to like do some, you know, renting super computer stuff and things like that. And it'd be interesting. Well, we've heard a lot this week, people walk around the show and they see the solutions, they go, wow, I didn't know you did that.  It's pretty impressive. It's pretty staggering just to look at all the things we've got here. I'm impressed. That worked here. It's a big organization, no doubt. But you guys are really focusing the messages, you know, in a few key areas. And so we're always pleased. We love the developer angle and really appreciate you guys coming on and thanks for sharing your insights. Thanks, Dave, appreciate it. All right, this is Silicon Angles theCUBE. We'll be right back with our next guest. We've got a big lineup coming. My co-host, John Furrier is coming back. We've got Steve Felice coming on. We've got Karen Kintos and Pete Kors might even show up today. So keep it right there.


there is yeah so we're ready to we're getting ready to load a log and we're gonna build out some tuba for us yeah we got some pretty small logs yeah they're really small they're basically what some people might call sticks yeah well they they would probably throw them in the call pile oh yeah forget about sawing anything out of them yeah they'd be winners at the toothpick mill but yeah and a lumber mill they probably get thrown away yeah they would be ground up as biomass so i milled last night if you guys saw that live and i left the mill dry so there's nothing on it so what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna go pick up a log with donny we're gonna pick up one of the bigger ones at the top we have uh we have five little guys left we're gonna pick one over up and come bring it over and load it up somebody says bogan xc says hello guys so we got people already on there donnie we got people commenting we're up to seven we're up to 13 we're up to 15 people already donnie so this is donnie's first time live guys make sure you welcome them uh throw a comment on there they're saying hello donnie we're a bit of bad or indifferent yeah we're gonna keep this way to a minimum yeah we're gonna try to keep the injuries to a minimum to andrew petty welcome buddy we're gonna so i'm gonna fire up this cabota and donnie and i are gonna load up a log and we're going to show you guys how we mill a log but like i said this is donnie's first time being on live for youtube so we're pretty excited about it fired right out first shot let me see if i could turn this camera around so you guys could see what i'm doing you're gonna hear some beeping it's a stupid emissions thing on this tractor we tried to run it through the other day and it just didn't do a good job so put her in high gear two hands for this job like it you clear let's see if we can grab it yeah we got it little guy yeah i think i could work with that donnie all right guys we've got a hemlock log here ain't much of a log it's a top but we're not going to waste it we don't like anything going to waste that's something that donnie's reached for years especially with a renewable resource like a tree or a forest so we're gonna load this on the mill right now i'm bringing her over and with the grapple hook and i'm gonna show you how we guys how we do it i'm gonna put her we're running out of minutes i'll slow her down when i get closer but it's hard to do with one hand a lot of operating all right so got her close i'm gonna slow her right down i got it donnie yeah i think i can get under that cable there's a cable up top there i gotta watch for but i also gotta get the log up as much as possible too all right here we go look out guys this could get ugly in a hurry nope nope looking pretty good i'm gonna slowly lower it as slow as i can oh watch out donnie watch your fingers there she is he's gonna take that grapple and i'm gonna back her straight up you all right beautiful she's a thing of beauty we are loaded we are loaded taint much of a log fellas i'm gonna show you what she looks like ahead of time donnie's gonna get it so yeah we're just gonna turn it so it kind of sits on all the box yeah as best as possible it looks pretty flat to me it looks pretty good yeah i'll lock her in everything's a little bit harder on the hand but i'm happy i got two and one so we're locked in there um this is a hemlock once again guys i'll i'll get you a dimension it it ain't much i'm gonna tell you that i'll tell you right now she ain't much we're trying to get about three or four four by twos out of this thing that we can use for building and for a measurement i got it's just under nine inches so jeez so we don't have much to work with there uh i'll do my best i'll shave her down thin for you but i'm gonna set you guys up in the tripod so that way donnie and i can can uh can work actually why don't i bring you over to the mill first let's get the mill running i'll show you that you got your ears on yeah this mill is pretty loud fellas you might want to put your your volume down right now but yeah put your earmuffs on so we got to take this can off that's our mufflers that aren't really mufflers and what we're gonna do is we're gonna staff this old 40 year old mill up we got enough gas to do this log right yeah we should yep so normally we fill it but here's my choke this is my water for the blade to lubricate the blade this is my on off donnie's already tightened up the saw blade there and we're gonna see if she starts all right guys so that's it we just got uh we got four four by twos studs that we're gonna use to build this wilderness camp um donnie'll show you the wane on one of them and how it's acceptable yeah and these are these are an honest two by four you know they'll have a tiny bit of shrinkage but if you look right there that's uh that's four inches and solid two two this way right there so those those are ones we're actually going to use we're going to build with them we ended up getting four out of that little tiny log so you know that's why we don't waste anything you know that that tree took a long time to grow right that was not a young tree so we're not going to waste the top of it and we're going to take her down as much as we can until we can you know get four or less you know maybe anything less than three I guess wouldn't quite be worth running the mill right but I mean these are three bucks each are a little bit more so there's there's $12 in a couple minutes and what we're gonna do now guys we'll show you how we actually stack these um we'll show you how we stack these and and how we we uh prepare them for for uh the time being before we get to build so donnie's gonna show you guys how to do it and I'm gonna hold the camera how's that work out pretty good I'll bring one over yeah it works out real good for me I gotta hold the camera donnie's just like when we go fishing he catches a big fish but he doesn't know how to run the camera so or I tell him I don't know how to run the camera so I gotta hold the fish and you take the picture donnie but this is our stack right here and you know guys it's growing you know four at a time you know four at a time and we could rip out a bunch of logs it grows you know so you know it's not done over you know in one day we don't get it all done at one time it's not something that you could just get done it takes a little bit of patience and and uh kind of staying out of it like the the rabbit and the hair right donnie these are our stickers one inch pine stickers it looks like we got about 17 in the row 14 16 or 17 in a row and right now we got eight rows high so there's 128 right there I think and this one's going to make 129 and there's one more on the mill but yeah we got a we got over 20 people watching donnie I'll look for comments good day from making sawed us he said that's that's for sure yeah and we got like you guys see this old roof and that we saved from like an old junk building we just throw that roof in over the top of this so it stays dry you know with the rain but it still gets airflow all the way through it it looks like a radiator you know so so air can get through it that way and we're a honeycomb but donnie so we got 20 people on here and 20 of them some of them might not know what we're doing with this lumber why we're milling it do you want to let them know yeah we purchased a piece of a lease up north of Maine way to heck and gone back in the woods and on this lease presently is an old trappers cabin which is in deplorable shape it would take quite a bit of effort to get it revitalized and and going so we decided to build a new camp there so that's where we're going to start the new camp sometime in probably September or work on it through October hopefully to get it weathertight by snow fly and so that's where all this stuff is going it's about a with a load on it's about a seven hour ride from here yeah seven seven and a half and it's as I say back in the boonies just where we want to be uh it's not on any lake or anything of that sort but there's plenty of ponds and lakes in the area which will provide us with a little fishing and and uh great bird hunting area deer hunting moose hunting uh so it's just just in the wilderness and uh and believe you me there's a lot of wilderness left in Maine yeah and then guys I'll interrupt just for one second because there's something that Donny and I've done for years and years and years that we really enjoy and I'll let him tell you why we do it and how we enjoy it but we both have the means to go by this lumber you know like lumbers come down quite a bit and you know we could afford a little bit of a lumber but we really really prefer to cut down the trees ourselves and mill the lumber and Donny's fortunate enough he's got a couple a hundred or a hundred plus acre of wood lot here that he's been managing for as long as I've known him you know to to preserve it but also harvest it too rather than just let all the trees die and fall down so I'll let him take over from here and tell you guys why we like to mill our own stuff and why we and build with it too well you know we I've owned this my parents owned this lot previous to me and and uh so they they gave it to me and and uh we uh I do selective cutting here every year I take out a little bit of that big growth because some of it actually is going kind of going by some of the big pine it's kind of going by probably should have been cut you know half dozen years ago but you as you can see there's some tall pine right here and so anyway during the winter months we had my friend Jamie come in and he skidded out a bunch of pine forest and this hemlock which we're sawing right now for this camp yeah yeah And if you guys don't know that or haven't done it before I know a lot of you guys are into fishing and hunting on my channel as well it's really similar to like going out and shooting your own deer and cutting it up and then getting to feed it to your family you know and use it for a while and it's kind of the same feeling wouldn't you say or like catching a mess of crappy and cooking them up and then getting to feed them to some friends and you can't meet it it's it's kind of the same feeling for us you know you know watching these trees grow and Donnie just doing such a great job selectively harvest and him and Jamie for for decades literally and then you know taking taking what needs to be taken harvest the trees off and then cut them down into in the dimensional lumber you know logs first then lumber and then then we're gonna take all these that you see here and all these here and we're gonna build a wilderness camp that hopefully lasts longer than both of us and yeah Stevie's involved and Stevie's daughter she loves the outdoors and hopefully she gets to enjoy it someday and maybe bring her kids there you know and something that we can enjoy for the rest of our lives so we're really excited to do that yeah yeah and we're in an area up north that's just beautiful a lot of game you know beautiful beautiful area yeah and anytime you get the north main woods it's it's an adventure it is really yeah and this trip I mean you guys are gonna watch us build and Donnie's Donnie's a professional builder don't let him tell you otherwise I'm a hammer or maybe on the nail I don't know but but you're gonna watch us build and there's a hundred different ways to build things a funny thing was is I own an ice cream shop it's a community center to you know it's the center for the community and Donnie and I built my axe shop there my woodworking shop and I bet you we had about oh probably ten different carpenters from town you know this is a pretty carpenter strong area they would get go get an ice cream and they'd walk over and they tell us how they'd build it they wouldn't quite say we were doing it wrong but the funny thing was you know if I wrote down how everybody built something it'd be ten different ways but the results gonna be the same you get the same result yeah so there's more than one way to skin a cat exactly so that we had a lot of fun with that build and and Donnie so humble he listens to everybody and all the carpenters and even though he's built a hundred houses he still listens to him and you know we we try things different ways too so we know there's there's different ways to build so um so this build that we're gonna do is one heck of a project I think the hardest part is gonna be the logistics of getting everything up there tools you got a stat out level otherwise you're running a problem all the way through a building process yeah frame this up on six by six he is in and so go from there and getting that getting that decking level is a little bit of a challenge takes a little bit of time but after that is on why it goes pretty pretty fast so we appreciate you guys supporting us supporting the channel I read the comments to Donnie one of his or both of his daughters watch the channel now right yeah and they read you the comments when I don't get to him so yeah he gets them I get them by mouth yeah I I don't do the computer so they want to know how big the camp is gonna be Donnie we're gonna try to answer some of you guys's questions the camp is gonna be 20 by 28 which isn't a huge camp and then it's gonna have an 8 foot farmer's porch which will be 8 feet by 20 the whole length of the whole length of the cabin and that'll be roofed over be open open to the elements other than the roof being over it yeah which will provide us with a great place to stack firewood winter and put your coolers out there what you're cool yeah whatever hanging deer if we need to yeah yeah and then what are we doing on the inside a third loft or we're doing a partial loft yeah it's probably gonna be about an 8 8 8 foot loft or 10 foot loft and the rest will be cathedral ceiling with we're gonna cut some spruce poles to put across the tie every tie the two walls together nice and that'll that'll that'll certainly add to the look of the place and then eventually we're gonna get it V matched inside and which will probably happen this year but just to get it closed in and usable for this wonder is what we're aiming for yeah and then we'll you know when we're up here in the winter time and we have some V match up here we can stop insulating and V match in it just pick away yeah just pick a way I think it was Kevin or Keith said that that ash that we cut milled yesterday on the live would make some nice furniture or make something nice a table or something nice in there beautiful you know butcher block top you know for a countertop or whatever if you guys got any have any questions for us I got Donnie standing right here and they could be questions about the build or whatever else you want I'm able to read the questions as they pop up right now and I'll read them to Donnie as they're coming so if you guys have any questions feel free to fire them our way if I don't know the answer I'm gonna give you don't make some now yeah yeah but I'll give you all as a treat for you guys tuning into this live in the middle of the day I'll give you guys a story a couple of my favorite building stories with Donnie one of them I wasn't there for one I was there for I'll let him tell you the one about with Eric but I'm gonna turn the camera my favorite one about when you said it was because it was so hot when the when you guys run out of nails you go home donnie donnie was the boss you know I had a couple kids in the summertime to help me build and so it was a real hot humid day we were we were bored in a roof and and the end walls and it was like a two-story building and it got so hot about 1 30 in the afternoon I said look we're not pouches are empty of nails we're gonna head up he would reach in his pouch to get a nail and he'd pick out three or four nails and three of them would drop in one in his hand he'd nail that and every time he reached in his pouch he dropped three or four nails so he ran out of nails pretty fast he wanted out of there so we get out of there pretty quick yeah was that the kid that wanted to get paid by the hour oh jeez that was another funny one I had a kid for the summer and I had him painting the trim before we put it up and about one hour an hour and a half into the painting process he said this was his first day on the job he said what when when do I get paid on this job I said well usually I pay every week or every other week but I can make a check out you know every hour if you want me to pay you by the hour he thought ten bucks an hour meant ten bucks an hour we have a good time when we were building and it was a lot of fun and I'm sure a good experience for teenagers to help out on that type of job so guys can you hear Donnie now let me know in the comments I think I had my hand over the microphone so so yeah so they said they couldn't hear you very well so I I think they turned it up but I think I've moved my hand enough now but yeah that was one of my favorite carpentry stories with Donnie and a question came through someone asked if we're gonna be doing two by six walls so I'll let you let him know we're just gonna use two but these two before is that we're milling out they have a well they have different types of insulation now the old five fiberglass obviously and and they have a high density insulation which you can use it's a little better off actor in a two before wall and then you would get out of normal insulation so we're considering that and we're also considering a new type of insulation which is kind of friction fit it's not five a glass it's some other product very well insulate has good qualities of insulation it's all so wrote it would be a plus area and you know you get more and you get a variety of different you know small animals that could get up into your bill they cannot make a bed or insulation that we're thinking of using this something rodent proof they will they get into the blueboard usually they don't chew that up too bad because we plan on using some blue board right two inch blue board in the on the on the subfloor and then we're going to use that van tech which is a man-made product for the for the flooring you know over the the two buttons so pretty much what do we what do we buy in for building material like just the subfloor right for wood yeah you know the advantage is about all we're buying for that and then everything else is pretty much well except for the insulation right so forth but as far as like the construction part where we're pretty much milling everything right yeah just about everything we'll probably buy the V match because you know we don't have a means of making V match for one thing and and that'll be kiln dried and yeah but all the framing and boarding and the roofing material is going to be metal which we'll get from the Amish and yeah and that'll be a lasting lasting roof yeah I talked to Wayne Jones yesterday and he told me that he showed me the actual bend that they'll put for us for that overlap it's a seven inch overlap yeah yeah and they'll bend the ends for us yeah okay I was curious on how they did that I I know on my folks by and they they roofed that and they and there was quite a quite a serious it came down really steep pitch and then it kind of leveled off on a pitch and they put a piece of metal in there rather than bending it yeah I just had a question come through I just took the phone out of the case hopefully that's coming in a little louder for you guys I don't know maybe if I turned it around while we're talking but I got a couple people comment it's been harder to hear Donnie so we'll try to figure that out on our end but what questions came through asking if we were within a snowmobile ride of any big lakes for ice fishing the state of Maine's really funky they they've not done a great job with their laws in my opinion on what's open to ice fishing they close the whole northern part of the states close to ice fishing unless it's open by special rule per lake or body of water which to me it's like the king the king's telling you what what lakes you're allowed to fish it is and what lakes you're not and it's it's not because there's a management plan I think it's just it's a broad broad paint brush they're putting over the whole northern zone anyway getting off my high horse there's there's a really good ice fishing like nearby that I've never fish called car upon that we can snow be able to we're not too far from that I guess we can we can snow be all the way up into Fort Kent go for some of them musky too up on the on the like Glacier and bow I think is the St. John's River the St. John River and then we should be able to snow be able to big much lake fish River Lake I don't think it's open yeah which is so dumb to close a lake to ice fishing you know when I talk to the commissioner directly on this and and she has opened quite a few lakes you open up some up in the range the area of ice fishing that have been closed you know forever and you know basically she said unless they have like a specific management plan they should be open so I I think they should too but but Donnie's still here we're still here we're still live we got a couple more minutes left if you guys have any other questions I may have missed some let me see if I can figure this out bears yeah there's a lot of bears where we're going to be yep so it's a short snowmobile ride the plan is definitely to snowmobile do a lot of snowmobile and up there snowmobile into ice the road that we're on I would doubt very seriously that they plowed this that road in the winter time so that's a snowmobile ride into our camp the main main road I'm sure is plowed but some of these sub roads you know off the main road unless they're working in that particular area one of the one of the people asked one of viewers asked if you'd live in Maine your whole life I sure have I'm a real maniac yeah in fact right now I live about 200 yards from where I was grew up born in Denver Scott of Maine and I did move away for a while to school and work out of state from I guess probably two years but other than that I've been right here in state of Maine nice well that's I don't see any other questions coming through you guys we'll give you a couple more minutes for any questions otherwise Donnie and I gonna end this live and maybe get back to work we might call it a day too I don't know this has been kind of a split-up day you know with the Joe had some duties he had to do with his business and so we're kind of late getting going and but we might mill up a couple more of these small logs and get those out of the way now we have a big tractor here my son's tractor got fixed so that we can put some heavier stuff on the mill and we get a mill on a serious amount of two by eight 14 footers yeah for the roofing rafters so that's gonna take some big stuff and with my little tractor we were unable to do that that's why we're milling the small stuff but we do need to before so we're not wasting our time at all and so you know what you will see us milling some big stuff come first of the week or maybe the end of this week we'll be doing some of that so there was one last question from Jared he want to know if we have any meet-ups planned coming up like the one we did that ice fishing yeah that was a great that was a so successful and everybody I think that Joe's talked with and that I certainly have talked to found that to be a super thing and and I think maybe if ice conditions ice conditions this past winter were really pretty darn poor and it was iffy to do it to do it you know just for a safety factor but if we get some serious freeze ups this winter I think it may happen again you know it's it's in the works I'll say that yeah it's it was such a great day and such a great it was a picture perfect day you couldn't ask for a better day for families to come out and yeah and set a few traps and learn a few things and see so the 350 350 Mack wants to know how far home is from camp so we got two different answers for that depends if we're loaded loaded was seven and a half hours five and a half five yeah yeah I think it was five because we stopped at the Chick-fil-A to get my sister some chicken and stuff remember that took a little while yeah so probably five and a half when they say and it's downhill you're going up to up up the camp up to camp it literally seems like when you go up the interstate and up some of those hills through Patton and into Ashland it seems like you're going up to northern Maine yeah I mean it looks like it's a gradual uphill climb and coming home they call it downstate downstate yeah so there's something to that yeah yeah and then 350 back is also he sent out the invitation he's talked about Vermont before have you spent much time in Vermont donnie I've been to Burlington and you know to the museum the you know and so forth but I guess we did go to Ben and Jerry's where they produce that was great you know I've traveled through it and it's a beautiful state I would say as beautiful as Maine is yeah to me it's a little seems like it's more rural than Maine yeah obviously southern Maine has really developed and built up in other Maine is very very wild still and yeah that's why we like to go there and but I never go south in the summertime no it's just too busy for my for my bones and if I were going anywhere it would certainly be no yeah but I gotta admit Vermont is a beautiful thing yeah the green there is a different color green than I've seen anywhere else yeah yeah oh they want to know if I found Dudley's secret seasoning no I haven't found it yet well I got a little bit left and I've been I've been keeping it in case I gotta run it through the lab but Dudley I mean he's had an open invite since he's been here he wanted to try to get back and but I'm pulling the open invite until he brings up either more of that secret seasoning that we put on the fish or until he gives us all the rest of you but I'm gonna get that I'm gonna get the seasoning mix for you guys because you guys have earned it in my opinion but Donnie I think I think I gave yeah Donnie had some when we were on the river remember that season and when we were on the river when I cooked up that fish yeah it was some good and and I caught a mess of crappy the other day I took out one of my ex-girlfriends wanted some fish to eat so I took her out and we filled up half a pail and Donnie said yeah he said just give him some meal I think I only gave you like two right two fish like four filets I mean the filets were big I mean they must have been pretty big crappies yeah they were decent size yeah and I can't I heard you ate with something pretty good too was it the was it baby potatoes and new potatoes this year's new potatoes which are about as big as a half dollar mm-hmm and you just leave the skins on cut them in half and boil them up and put plenty of butter on them yeah and salt and pepper boy you just can't beat that if I only had some fresh peas to go with it but I didn't yeah that would have been it frozen peas had to work and yeah fresh peas oh my gosh you can't be fresh peas yeah oh they want to know Tommy Carbon there he is when they could order the shirts we're gonna we're actually gonna make some Tommy we're gonna make some shirts like like I'm wearing right there this is this is a design I made quite a few years back and we made some with like moose and bear too and Donnie and I just we like wearing t-shirts Donnie's running low on them as you can see so you know I got a farmer's tan I don't know if you can see the hell yeah I got a farmer's they call us a farmer's tan I'm really tanned here you pull whoa cover your eyes that's a farmer's tan because most farmers just wear short sleeved shirts or t-shirts and and they get a nice tan on the low around but man yeah exactly but yeah we'll be getting we're gonna do some merch you know I I don't know if it's worth it you know if you lose money like I at my ice cream shop I order that couple thousand dollars worth of t-shirts I used to order every year and and I'll lose couple thousand dollars on it pretty much I mean you can't really make money on merch because of how much it costs to get into it I know there's some sites that'll do everything for you now but but you know I use it you know it's more like a marketing and tax write-off and I like wearing shirts so I called my shirt guy actually yesterday after shooting that live and and asked him to get me a quote for some of these I hope you got some green yep I told him green is my fate he's got a red state of Maine I like the green one yeah I told him get us get me a quote on like on greens reds and then maybe like an army green colored shirt with like a dip like a white state of Maine yeah maybe the bear and the moose and then of course some ice cream shop ones too well we're printing that because he does it's a screen printer it's a local business I like to support local businesses I you know having one especially it's really important to support your local businesses yeah I know there's other ways but we got company oh he's not gonna like me on camera he probably doesn't know we're shooting live but but that's Greg's son right there he's coming out check on the mill make sure we haven't broken anything they said the back of her legs are like Donnie's arms she fishes in a kayak and her backside is Casper white yeah we can show you our backsides but not on the live video but yeah we're gonna we're gonna tune out here Greg's just getting here to the mill there's Greg Greg you're on live so so no swears yeah we're on YouTube live right now Greg's Greg's got this fixed he got the mill fixed for us he's just coming behind us and fixing stuff so that's been his job lately but but yeah so that's gonna do it for for today guys we're about to get serious out here and get some work done but we appreciate you guys support in the channel appreciate you tuning in and if you leave any more comments or questions we'll get to him after this publishes so I'm gonna hit that X right there


Bemidji and Rozo volleyball wishing each other good luck, but not too much luck. Rams up 6-5. The nice dig by Taylor Wade leads to the Emma Muller kill to tie it up at 6. Later in the first, a perfect pass by the diving. Grace Dunham. The set over to Casey Borovic. They go up 16-12. The Jacks come roaring back, but Rozo serving 24-23. The pass right over the net to Riley Berkley. Rozo takes the first, but Bemidji played lights out after that. They win the match. If you enjoyed this segment of Lakeland News, please consider making a tax-deductible contribution to Lakeland PBS.