We demystify what goes on behind the therapy room door. Join us on this voyage of discovery and co-creative conversations. This is The Therapy Show, behind closed doors podcast with Bob Cook and Jackie Jones. Welcome to the next episode of The Therapy Show with Bob Cook and myself, Jackie Jones, and we're going to be talking about working with the anxious client in this week's episode, which is something that I see an awful lot of in clients. So it's probably the main reason that people make contact with me. Oh, OK. Perhaps we can start off with you. So if you gave a picture of an anxious client, you know, give me, I'll be interested if you work mostly with a lot of anxious clients. How would they present them? Usually talking very fast and giving me lots of information, probably before we even meet each other. They need me to know their story through an email or a message or something. They're usually very good at sharing things in my experience. So they talk very fast? Usually, yeah. Would you say they're highly energetic? Yeah, nervous energy. Lots of nervous energy and their words are tumbling out to try and explain their story even before they've met you. Yes. And then there's the other extreme. What's the other extreme then? Whether or not very good at sharing anything and they're quite critical and fearful of saying too much and everything. So those people, even though. So the common theme is nervousness. Would you say high energy? Wanted to. Yeah. And that's the common theme. But then you get different categories of people who want to share a lot. But others that find it hard to actually get their anxiety out. Yeah, need a lot of permission to be able to talk about things. You see, I think that's yeah. Let's start there then. I think what you just said there is very, very important, especially with somebody who's anxious, permission by the therapist to tell their story. And more than that, to take their time to tell the story. So this is where therapists might. And if you listen to the last podcast, we're talking about how a therapist might be instrumental in the pace of the clinical work in terms of rapport. This might be where it's very important for a therapist to slow down the procedure. And to be the best way to do it is where you just started off, Jackie, in my opinion, is to give the client permission. Oh, it's OK, just take your time. Yeah, yeah, just slow down a bit. I know I can see you're very anxious about this. So we've got a whole hour. So, you know, you start wherever you want to start. So I see, I think permissions for an anxious client is really important. It's like saying to them, you know, everything's OK, you know, the world's not going to. You wouldn't say it like this, but the inference might be the world won't collapse. OK, we've got plenty of time. You just just take your time here. I hear you might be feeling apprehensive or anxious, and it's OK for us to just talk, take our time talking or however you want to do it in terms of. Yeah, yeah. So I think to give permissions to because what you're really talking about, I think, is promoting safety and security within the therapeutic room so the anxious client can feel OK to talk. Yes. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I'm that I don't want to normalise what they're going through, but that it's OK, which might sound a bit, you know, simplistic.  You know, is this normal behavior? Should I be behaving all those questions? Oh, yeah. And I think it's really OK to just to talk like we have just said. So the child, the younger part of the anxious client feels that you understand them. Yeah. So I don't really think that is a very, you know, it may sound simple, but it's very sophisticated in other words. Yeah. If you don't do that, you can lose the client because they feel they may feel we're in the space for them to really talk about what it's all about. Yeah. And I think again, touching on what you just said then about the child part, I think it is really important and something I'm very conscious of is providing that safe space and being seen as. Strong enough to hold them in that, if that makes sense, because sometimes I think the anxious client feels like they'll overwhelm you. Yes, because they feel they're overwhelming themselves. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. That's why you've got permission to say it's OK. Just take your time here. We'll we'll get to what it's all about. Start wherever you want to start. Yeah. I mean, that's the bit that you're talking about. Now, it's hard to take several forms. So we have I just jotted a few down here, but let's start with them. We can have panic sorters. Yeah. For example, panic, fear and people get very anxious and they move into what might go into described as a fear or flight process. But let's stay with panic and they panic themselves and they get to a place of what I would call fear over fear. Yeah. And anxiety is very high there in that panic. And often with their panic comes palpitations. And of course, the panic is all about something. It's all really about Jackie. They're very frightened, very scared. So they panic themselves through. And the anxiety comes out in the form of panic and fear. Yeah. And palpitations, actually, is in the body. The heart races very fast. So once that's happened, it becomes super sensitive of any changes in the body. Yes, yeah, yeah. All the changes like they feel like their stomach is knotted up or they feel like, you know, as they get like that, they come very sensitive, I think, to to any changes by rear or constipation or any of these symptoms that really come with anxiety. Yeah. Yeah. No, you talk to you about those as well. So panic is another form of anxiety. Post-traumatic stress disorder. Yeah. There's a lot of anxiety with that. And what that means is that they have been triggered by something in the presence, which reminds me of the past. So some things happen traumatic in their past, which they've repressed. But then what happens, they get triggered by something in the present, which opens that door of where they've kept those stored traumas and that they come tumbling out and that provides a very. It's all based on fear again, you see, Jack, that that provides great anxiety. Yeah. Phobias also is another form of anxiety. We're talking about people have lots of phobias and are very anxious. But again, the real bedrock of this is fear. So as a therapist, we need to provide a very safe environment and also be a safe figure for them when you think of it in terms of safety and security to help the anxious person not be so frightened. Yeah. The fear, the, you know, if you think of this, that's what's behind the anxiety, extreme fear. Then that's where you need to start to help the person have a have a safe therapy to place as an antithesis to the fear. Now, the fear is usually driven by distorted thinking. So it's so usually fine with anxious people, they overthink. Yeah.  And then they worry about their thinking and then we have an escalating process. But they if you ask any anxious person or any client and has extreme anxiety, do you overthink a lot? They would, yes, immediately. And that produces fear, that produces anxiety. And then you're in that whole hamster wheel. Yeah. I see a lot of the overthinking and the planning and the preparation and everything that goes on. It's it's it's a survival mechanism. It's needing to control the environment. So they're not going to be caught out or nothing's going to. Sideswipe them or whatever it is. Well, that you're describing a paranoid client, then, yeah. So often they may have power and a high sense of paranoia with the anxiousness. But but what is the hallmark definitely around anxious clients is overthinking. The overthinking is usually a copy mechanism to keep themselves safe. Yeah. So with anxious clients, besides having a huge emphasis on safety and security, allowing them to speak, I will want to know what drives the anxiety, what drives the fear. It's usually the distorted thinking. So you need it again to go back to the past. To see what some of these belief systems are around self and others that drives the fear. Now, some of that fear might come from some of the what I'm going to talk about is deep trauma they've had in their history. So they've made then decisions about themselves and the world, which actually feed the anxiety, feel that, you know, feed the fear anyway. So we need to go back and look at some of their belief systems about other people in the world, which might drive the anxiety and fear like, you know, I'm not a very nice person. I'm not lovable. I'm not trustworthy. Other people won't like me. And people anxious will be constantly comparing themselves. They usually have a very high negative critic, which keeps them in a place of panic and fear. They're very usually very critical themselves. Because they've externalised this high critic. Interesting.  Traits of Generalised Anxiety Disorder. I thought I thought I knew it was this podcast. I thought I'd just look at what we could call or if you went to the doctors and gave you that type of diagnosis. So I looked at GAD and it says, right, some of these are the criteria for generalised anxiety disorder, difficulty in concentrating, difficulty in sleeping, a consistent pattern of fatigue. Having stomach problems, having over-sweating, rapid heartbeat. So, you know, it's all the picture we've just been talking about here in a way. But it's built on panic and fear. And at its base level, it's around security and safety, I think. And the third business play a lot of attention to security and safety and permissions. But they need to get to the story underneath it all, I think, because I've never seen an anxious baby. So a child, you know, usually what happens is that they make survival decisions again in response to think the environment around them. And then they have this storted way of thinking, these critical parents on their back. And then they get anxious and overthink and over all the things we just talked about. So you need to get to what the thinking feeling is and the behaviour that comes with that. And help them put more healthy coping mechanisms in place. But you need to get, I think, to the faulty decisions.  So it's not faulty in that sense, but it doesn't help them now. Yeah, that's a very valid point that is. And I talk with clients an awful lot of other. We do the best that we can with what we've got available in that moment.  You know, I don't know why I do this.  Why can I not go out unless I've got X, Y and Z in my bag?  You know, they can be really critical of themselves and the things, the processes that they need to go through. You know, if they've got social anxiety or if they get anxious when they're going out or whatever it is, they have lots of crutches that they need to take with them. And they often say it's ridiculous.  Well, let's start off with a philosophical you know, process where I just talked about. However bizarre the behavior, if you trace it back to where it was made, it's going to make logical sense in that context. Yeah. And this is what I'm talking about. If you trace the fear back, if you trace the social anxiety back, yeah, to where it began, it will be make total sense in that context. Yeah. And that's when the problem is they carry on as if it's the same. It's like a habit. They just carry on as if it's the same context when it usually tend to one, isn't? Yeah. And I think our brain, you know, is is really good at certain things and pretty rubbish at others. And it it gathers lots of information and connects the dots that then becomes all around the anxiety in certain situations.  I was reading a book on it called Apophenia, where our brain needs to connect the dots so it can hold onto it as a memory only connect random dots around fear and anxiety. Well, in transaction, I say they have a concept called script theory. Yeah, means an unconscious life plan which is formed in childhood and you play it out throughout life. And I think that's what we do. We make decisions to become part of a life plan and then we're carried out even when we don't even in the most unhealthy of situations. So a therapist needs to help the person, I think, change those decisions which are causing the fear and the anxiety and implement healthy ones and healthy. Coping mechanisms as well. Yeah, the first step, though, is right at the beginning is to help the person through permissions, have the space to talk. Have the space to slow down. Yeah, because though it may not feel frightening for the therapist in the room, the client, the anxious client is probably or might be petrified. Yeah, not necessarily. Of what's happening in the room. I think it's a really important point that you say to clients, especially anxious clients anyway, I know you feel anxious. However, that might be coming from a different time zone. So it's not that you discount their things in the present, but actually it might be coming from, it's a bit like Doctor Who. It might be coming from a different place, even though you feel it in the present. So in other words, you're helping them look for triggers. Yeah, and that's a really nice way of putting it. You know, it's not discounting the the feelings that they're, you know, having in that moment, but it's coming from a different time zone. Yeah, I like that. I should do write an article with Doctor Who phenomena. Yeah, it's it's like it's a very important that. You know, clients, especially from this framework, could start understanding that what they feel and think in the present isn't necessarily. Doesn't necessarily have a have its origin there. Comes a different time zone, and that's where we need to go to. Yeah. And if we change in that different time zone, then what's happening in the present will change. Yeah. So you have to connect those dots you're talking about. Yeah. And it's like the butterfly effect, you know, going backwards and in the present and backwards and in the present and just seeing and exploring. Our past without judgment, being curious about things without being critical. That's what I love in the therapy room. Let's just have a look and see what we come up with. That's right. What you're going to come up with with somebody who presents in an anxious way is that their narrative inside their head will be very critical. Yeah. Now, again, if you can get to a place where they start really take on board, it isn't themselves being critical about themselves, it's that they've taken on board. Somebody else is critical. South, you're halfway there. And for those people listening and, you know, one of the things that I love about transactional analysis is the parent, adult and child and the, you know, the pack. And from a very, very young age, we just absorb things from our parents and our surroundings without life experience to filter what's useful and what's not. Do I want that or do I not want it? We just absorb it all. And, you know, for me personally, my critical parent when she's in full force is amazing. There's a there's a television program, which is I just started to watch. So there's only six episodes. It's called Professor T. Oh, yeah, I started to watch that night. And he's a very disturbed professor, actually. And he helps the detectives. He's I think he's a professor of criminology, but he's very disturbed and he has internalized a very critical mother. And he can see he's a critical mother in quite a lot of things.  And the other thing about people are anxious, they often have a part of themselves that needs to be perfect. If they're not getting it perfect, then something awful will happen. So they'll always be comparing themselves to other people and things like that, because they have to get things right. Yeah. So non-judgmental attitudes really important for a therapist. Yeah. I I I like that. It's not so not so easy to do, by the way, because what you may think or what I might think as a non-judgmental transaction is often or can be perceived in a different way than you actually clinically mean it, and you'll never know. So the best we can do is come from, I think, as much as we can, a non-judgmental, judgmental attitude. Yeah. Yeah, and in the therapy room, I'd like to say that I don't think we can be 100% neutral in all our thoughts. But I would like to say that most of the time I'm in it, I'm okay, you're okay situation. Yeah, you might be. Yeah. Great, by the way. But the problem I think is, is that your clients won't always see you that way. No, but then that's something that we are that way. Yeah. Yeah. If you know about it, if they tell you, and if someone has had a very frightening parents, for example, then what you may think, do and feel is so opposite to their way of thinking, feeling and experience that you're in another ballgame. Yeah. You know, in psychotherapy terms, we then talk about transfers and things like that. Yeah. But I think that's why I love transactional analysis, because there's lots of diagrams and things that you can share in the session to explore and explain all of this stuff. Then it's not coincidence that these things happen. It's not a fluke that we shift from I'm okay to I'm not okay. And these things, if somebody's got that understanding, then I think in the therapy room, we can switch it on and switch it off. You know, if I'm talking about live scripts or the okay, Parallel or all this stuff, they get, they get what I'm talking about. Yes. I mean, I would call that agix to therapy. And I think it's a, you know, big space for educative therapy. So we're thinking, so on the last bit of this, I can leave the people who's listening to this with a picture. What is the most important thing for me anyway, in the treatment of somebody who presents anxiously, is to give them space to talk and to have a concentration on safety and security, so they will feel safe to be able to talk. And that will mean the therapist, I think, leaving their ego out of the room to enable the, to enable the space to occur so the other person can feel safe to be able to talk. And most importantly, feel understood. Yeah. Now, half the battle is, if they feel understood, they'll become less anxious. Secondly, is to help them put past to present. So it's the same with the depressive client in a way, if you can help them understand what drives the anxiety, how come they're so scared in the first place, then you're halfway there. Yeah, don't get fine for no reason. So the child of them has become frightened because of reasons. This isn't to do with them. No, no, and like you say, it makes sense. If you're trying to protect yourself from something that's big and scary, it all makes perfect sense. Yeah. So how then as the client become safe and secure with the therapist. So I think it's going to take time. They've got the space to talk. They're going to feel understood is the most important things because you're right. Usually they come from a place of they might well overwhelm the therapist because they've got so many needs and over needy or whatever they're saying in their head. So what you said, right at the beginning of the podcast, I really liked, which is about giving permissions for safety and security for exploration between the two of you. Yeah, yeah, I think that's really important.  If you're looking through their eyes, it all makes perfect sense. Yeah, as they start making new decisions on an emotional and thinking level, behavior will change. Yeah, there's something that always kind of, I don't know, it gets to me is when you see these online courses or certain therapists and I want them who they are, say that they can cure people of their anxiety and fear. What are your thoughts on that? What do you mean by gets to you? That, you know, anxiety is part of a human response to something that we think we need to be protected against. And if somebody says that you can be anxiety free for the rest of your life, I'm not sure whether that's a promise that we should be making. I certainly don't do it. It's part of the flight and it will always be parts of us as human beings. Yeah, I think there's a level of action that is existential part of the human condition. So, you know, without getting into the world of ethics here, which is not a podcast on ethics, but I think it would be unethical for somebody to claim that. Yeah. And alongside that, I think most people that come through, probably you can tell me you might disagree with me here, but certainly my practice. Anyway, I'm not practicing anymore. Most people who came through the door would project a father Christmas transfers on to me. In other words, that I can cure everything, take everything away and everything will be all right. And most clients that come in the door to see therapists will want to quick fix and want to want the pain taken away and hope that you'll do it. Yeah. Now, of course, we all know that's not true. But who are we to take that belief away? The problem is, is the people that in print say that or the people that actually I think we are on to the edge of an ethical process is then because, of course, it's impossible. However, I do think most clients are coming with that view. Or that desire, that unconscious process, even though actually they might understand that you can't fix everything and they they need to be part of that process as well. I think the child in that might have that desire. Yeah, 100 percent. If you're suffering from anxiety, the desire is so you don't want to feel that ever again. Yeah, I can understand that and that you can fix it. Yeah. And here I'm paying all this money to you and you should try to fix it quickly. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, I think it's unethical to actually advertise that way because you're advertising something you can't possibly do.  And we know that not not to it because the other person in the process, I the client has to take some responsibility in this because they made the decisions in the first place. Yeah. And that is a very important thing, I think. Which they have a choice. They made a decision at some point in their past and they can make a new decision. Absolutely. How it works a lot of the time in my therapy room when they have that realisation. Yes, I don't disagree with you. And it's how you get there. Yes. Yeah. Because you might have to go to the child, which is so broken to the place they didn't actually have a decision because they they were around the significant power for other people which were violating them, invading them, traumatising them or whatever words you want to use. They didn't actually have a choice. So they might actually fear in the regression, they might actually feel they haven't got a choice. Yeah. So we need to get to the place of healing so they can actually you know, differentiate out between what was and what is now so that they can start to do things differently. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because ultimately as human beings, I were I was aim is for survival and we do that to the best of our ability in that moment. Yeah. And yeah, you're right. I'm really giving a plea for the therapist to go to these places of regression, these younger parts of the self and the client to give them space for some healing before they can move to a place or they've got to make some decision of choice. Yeah. We have to go to the healing places to enable the person to get to a place where they believe they can make a choice. Yeah. I am all for autonomy and I'm all for somebody taking charge and all the things you're just talking about. But I'm also believe that we need to get to that place in the younger self of healing before the therapist can actually believe they can make those decisions until the client actually can get to a place where the broken parts have been healed enough for them to believe they may just be powerful enough to make a decision. But if you do it for them, they'll never get there. No. If the therapist does it for them or if the timings and it's so easy to do, by the way, if the timing slightly off then, you know, the therapy can go wrong. So it's a very delicate, very, very delicate process. What you're talking about in terms of dealing with people being highly traumatised and how they get to a place where they can believe that they can take back some of the power which was taken from them. Yeah. And it can be a very slow process. It has to be a slow process. And that's OK. Yeah. It's we're all unique and some people don't need that long and other people do and that's OK. And with the answers, Clyde, the more you give permissions in the beginning, I think the more they will calm down. Yeah, to go to these places we're talking about. Yeah. Yeah, without adding more fear on the fear, because often that with anxious clients, that can be how it feels. It's the fear of the fear and it's layer upon layer. It's, you know, yeah. So permissions, permissions, permissions. Order of the day. So they feel so cool. Until the next time, Bob. Yeah, till the next next time. And what is the next where we move into? We have a list. I don't know where we're moving to next time, because sometimes we keep changing. Yeah, I thought maybe we had on the list, we were thinking of things like how to deal with the traumatised clients, you know, we've got eating disorder, you've got many other things. But attachment, we had quite a few things in the mix. Yeah. So we could start with trauma. OK. How to work with trauma in therapy. Yeah. Could be. And that might go to one and two, but how to work with trauma is, I think, a really important part. And we need to we need to talk about that. And of course, another podcast, which I think is one and two, I don't think we can do it in one. But anyway, it's how to work with the sexually abused or clients.  I know, but we can split the two out. OK. Those will be the next two or four dependents on how it goes. That's it. OK, Dopey. Thanks a lot.  See you next time. Bye bye. You've been listening to The Therapy Show behind closed doors podcast. We hope you enjoyed the show. Don't forget to subscribe and leave us a review. We'll be back next week with another episode.


So today I'm on the way to Coronas Court. I'm literally just about to leave the house. I've sort of tried to make an effort. I've got my shirt on and my jacket. A shirt dress actually. What do you even wear to Coronas Court? Are you supposed to dress up? I'm supposed to wear my uniform. I don't even know. Hopefully this is okay as long as it's not casual and hoodies and things I think I'm all right. So we'll find out when we get there. I don't think I'll be able to vlog inside but anyway I'll let you know how it goes when I come out and update you on my day and how amazing it's been. Coronas Court. I'll do a little talk-through I think from start to finish on what happened and what experienced and all that jazz. So I got to Coronas Court around 20 to 10. I was 20 minutes early for the session and there was already people there. There was a family of the deceased that were sitting and waiting to go in and a couple of other student nurses. So it was nice to have a couple of students with me and sat with me so that was quite nice. And you feel so nervous. You're sat there and you feel nervous for the family that are sat there.   I had a similar situation I'll tell you a funny story sorry I'm going off track now but when I was coming back from Austria we had a coach trip and on the way back coming into England I got stopped by the security to check the passports and things like that and the guy just said to me so where have you come from where have you just been and I was like what why are you asking me questions. Obviously I didn't say that to him. I was thinking this in my head and then I started panicking in my heart started going oh my god where have I just been I don't even know where I've just been. Think Claire think think think and I literally I said to him oh my god I can't think my mind's gone blank I've literally just come back from holiday but I can't tell you where. I started laughing I was like I'm so sorry and luckily the person that I'd gone with was like oh we've just been to Austria and I was like we've been to Austria actually no because we stopped over in Germany on the way back so actually technically we've just literally come from Germany but then Austria before that and then he was like how long have you been there for and I was like seven days I think and then and then he was like so are we there for business pleasure blah blah blah I was like what is with these questions and makes you feel guilty makes you think oh my god I'm guilty of something what have I done what have I done in Austria did I drop litter did I do this no I'm fine I'm good just routine questions to make sure I'm not a suspect or something of that sort but anyway why do we always feel so nervous and guilty for things and it's weird why why do if you've got the answer tell me why why do we feel nervous with this so I was sat in coroner's court sorry I got sidetracked so I was sat in coroner's court panicking nervous I was sweating I was checking my phone I was scrolling frantically because I didn't know what to do with myself and then we got called in so then we were told that we had to sit on the back three rows so we sat at the back some family sat at the front bit and then somewhere on the side bit there was quite a lot of family there and then there was a doctor there there was a police woman there I was like oh um and again I feel guilty I'm like oh my god whatever done and then the coroner sat there in front of you and he just explains a little bit about coroner's court and what he does he says so basically if someone has died from anything other than unnatural causes it has to go to coroner's court so that they can decide the cause of the death basically and they're there not to point fingers at anyone or anything like that it's not a murder case sort of place it's more just to work out the how the why's the what's the where it happened the time it happened they have to confirm a lot of things so the name of the deceased the date of birth of the deceased the date the person died the medical cause of the death the howls and why's and where of the cause of death so that's that that was his main job so it's sort of fitting together pieces of a jigsaw to make a complete picture and he can write his piece for the death certificate it can all be put to rest the coroner was really really lovely he was really empathetic to the family he explained everything in layman's terms he said i'm going to read out this post mortem and there's a lot of medical jargon and things like that so it's not very good so i'm just going to summarize it for you into a more understandable way if that makes sense and so he was really really good like that and he was very he was he may try to make them comfortable and not panic and try to reassure them when they were upset and things like that he was just really good the way he handled it was lovely really appreciated him so after he's explained what his role is in coroner's court and what's going to happen he calls upon a family member just to give a brief description sort of characteristic of the deceased just to bring a little bit of i think sentimental value to it so we can get a little bit of a background of the deceased and how that person was before they passed and everybody's under oath so even if even though it's coroner's court it's not like a big jewellery service or anything like that like people have to swear by the bible or if you're not religious you don't do the bible you just say there's that there's that phrase isn't there that's in all the movies that you watch and actually they do it in real life something like i declared that what i say is going to be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth uh as far as my knowledge or something like that something like that um you know the spiel but it was just weird to see it in real life being done because you don't sort of think of those things that you see in films and things and just to see that really happening in real life it's like wow this is so strange it's like so surreal and then after that the after they spoke to the family and everything they call in the doctor so or well whatever witness is waiting so it could be the doctor it could be the police it could be if there's a paramedic or someone there there's there's a nurse any sort of person that's waiting to be a witness or to to give the evidence then they'll call those up to this the stand so then they go up to the witness stand and they swear on the oaf and then they just give their versions of events so like a timeline of what happened until that person died so it's sort of retracing the steps leading up to what's caused the death if that makes sense so they'll pick certain dates like okay so what happened on the first of april just talked was about that and then they'll say okay this person come into the dot let's just say doctor surgery i'm just saying this as um this isn't the actual story because i don't want to go into details of the actual story because confidentiality and everything so i'm just going to make up a story so let's just say this person visited the doctor on the first of april to get some form of medication or help or review or blood pressure something like that so then they'll just explain what happened on that day what services they provided to that patient any input that they think might be helpful to what the cause of the death might be that's what the role is if that makes sense i hope that makes sense and then once all of the witnesses have given their little pieces of evidence to sort of piece it all together the coroner will then go over the post mortem and what the results were from the pathology so when someone passes away they do the post mortem to find out the cause of the death and if there's anything else going on underlying so they'll do from head to toe assessment if there's any bruising acerations on the body anything abnormal or suspicious they will point that out at that point and then they'll do an internal so they'll check all the organs if there's any heart failure cancers tumors anything like that check all that and then they'll take also a urine and a blood sample from the body to check sort of medications chemical imbalances all that sort of thing so then they'll have a doctor review of that so they're sort of their own conclusion to why that patient might have died if that makes sense or that person might have died that's sort of quite a good bulk of the evidence i think because that's quite hardcore evidence that they go on so then once all the evidence has been given and this timeline of events has happened the coroner will say okay well so we're going to come to the conclusion they don't call it a verdict anymore it's just a conclusion he says that's what he told us anyway so then the coroner comes to a conclusion and it'll be confirming the name the date of birth date of death time of death and the place of death and then an overall conclusion on how that person has passed away and then he says to the family you'll get one copy of the death certificate sent to you would you like to collect it or emailed or any sort of way that you want to do speak to us afterwards and then he just asks if they'd like to input anything else at the end and that's it so what i have i don't want to i can't go into too much detail about what i personally witnessed today and just because of confidentiality so i just want to just think i just want to kind of not summarise but i want to point out a couple of things that i picked up on today in the court firstly it was really emotional it was quite an upsetting case the first one more so than the second one purely because the person that passed away had committed suicide and there was a lot of mental health problems and the family were really upset the um they weren't just upset but they were angry and yeah they were just it was really heartbreaking um the family were there and it just it made me think that there's more that needs to be done for mental health patients because listening to all the evidence from the people that were there and then also from the family side of it like it was really interesting sad heartbreaking but interesting for me as a student nurse to listen to the family speak and for them to say do you know what there's not enough was done for our family member and more needs to be done and i think there is massive gaps somewhere in mental health in fact a lot of probably a lot of gaps in mental health the services that are being run at the minute there's just there needs to be more of them there needs to be so much more people to help people with mental health issues and i'm now thinking i need i feel like i need to do something i need to help people with mental health i need to create something or my mind's just it's working at 200 miles an hour and i'm just thinking what can i do what can i set up what can i think of that's going to be a massive benefit to people with mental health that's going to take the time that i can take the time out to listen to people with mental health and make a massive impact on someone's life so that it doesn't get to that point doesn't get to that point where someone wants to end their life i get really emotional about these things i'm so sorry but it's just it's so sad to listen and think you know what more needs to be done for people and it's heartbreaking and if i can just think of something or do something to help someone um to save a life i just i need to do it and i don't know how something needs to be added to the services that are already there and i'm going to be rattling my brains for it so overall just to summarize coroner's core it's an absolutely incredible experience i think every student nurse um or even every healthcare professional should get in contact with your local coroner's court and get in there and sit and observe and just see what goes on because you never know you might be called up that one day you could be that person giving evidence and it's just really insightful to go in and know what's going to happen when you're in there and to be honest it does put even though i was nervous at the start and it was a bit emotional but it does put your mind at ease so now i think if something was to happen in a ward or something i had to go and give evidence i'm gonna be okay with it yeah i'll be a little bit nerve-racking but because i've seen it and i've witnessed what happens now you've got that little bit more knowledge about what goes on and you're not under trial or anything like that's nothing scary i think everyone should experience it and just prepare themselves for if what if that was to happen and what if you were to take stance really really good for your knowledge and i've learned so much today it's really made me think as you can see and yeah so if you haven't got any plans to go to coroner's court please look into it go and book in find out where your local one is and email somebody get down there get have have a look i'll put some links below about coroner's court and what to expect and things i'm gonna have a look and search for you so i'll put the links below and hopefully that gives you a bit of insight to what coroner's is and hopefully you're gonna go book it and i'll see you all next time


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Have you ever really wanted to buy something but it costs too much money so you couldn't afford it? Well, if you're smart or if you watch this video, it doesn't have to be that way. The question I get asked more than anything is I have this much money, what can I do with it? And the reason that question is so difficult is because every person is working with a different amount of money. Some people already dropped $5,000 on a PC and some people have asked me to build them one for $20 and some weird stuff. So no matter how much money you have, this video will show you how to get the most value out of your budget, including $20. Let's not click bait and I've done it. I'll show you how to get a computer with only $20. First of all, if you wanna ask more questions, find anything confusing or need more specific information about anything in this video, come to my Twitch livestreams. Most of the time I'm there to entertain but I also spend a lot of time answering questions so that people don't make a bad purchase. And it's not just me. We have a lot of smart people there too. So be sure to join the Discord server which is linked below and follow me on Twitch so that you know when I go live. That is the best way that I can help you. Okay, so we have a few notes to go over before we get into these lists. Number one, every list on this video will be good performance wise for at least two to three years and will only include brand new parts. As more demanding games come out, you will need to adjust your settings but you won't need to sell your PC and buy a new one. Number two, you might be thinking, Black Friday's right around the corner, why don't I just wait and buy a cheaper pre-built PC? Just know, any list in this video will be a better deal than anything you can find during Black Friday on pre-built PCs. Number three, not everything on these lists will be 100% concrete. If you know enough about computer parts, you can be slightly flexible in changing up what I recommend. However, if you know nothing and just wanna copy exactly what is in this video, you will still have a great PC for the budget. Number four, there is also some important information that you need to know on why I chose the parts and the way that I did, just in case any of you want to make a counter-argument. You'll notice that every list in this video has an SSD. I am not going to give you a list to build a slower computer. While there are some hard drives out there that can operate slightly faster than some of the slower HDDs that some of us might be used to or have grown up with, I refuse to think that in 2019, you cannot have a faster computer on a budget. Considering the RAM, every list in this video will be running two sticks for dual channel. Some of you might wanna point out that it is actually cheaper to buy one stick of RAM right now and then upgrade to a second one down the line in the future.  If you wanna use gaming as an example, you can check out Jay's two cents video on how memory allocation affects performance and you will notice there's quite a big dip in FPS if you run it that way. I promise you the five to $10 you will save on that one stick of RAM is not worth the performance drop. Considering power supply options, you will notice I used PCpartpicker.com and in all of those lists, I have what is the cheapest power supply that will support a graphics card as well as a CPU. Do not buy that power supply, there are actually 10 to $20 cheaper options available on Amazon or on the B-Stock site for EVGA. I have those linked in the description, so if you want to buy those, which you should, it's better value, just look below. Just note that Amazon is a little bit more pricey, so if you really wanna get the best value, buy a B-Stock EVGA power supply. You should be able to get a 600 watt one at all times for around $30.   For example, if you're someone who only plays Doom, which is heavily optimized by Vulkan API, you can get an incredibly trash cheap PC and still get a lot of frames per second. If you plan on playing Red Dead Redemption 2, which we've come to find out is really poorly optimized, you're gonna need something a little bit more expensive. And if you want a streamer and you plan on becoming the next Shroud or Ninja, you will probably need something even nicer than that. And lastly, if any of you are looking to hit a specific FPS number in any games that you might want to be playing, make sure you do a benchmark search for the graphics card in these lists to make sure that list will meet your requirements. Those are all the important things to know. So now let's get into the lists. First off, we have the no budget gaming PC. And I'll be honest, this is half a joke. But if you are someone who enjoys throwing money at things without a care in the world or if you need to compensate for something, then this is the PC for you. The entire thing is gonna cost you just under $8,000. In this completely unnecessary powerhouse, you are going to have a 32 core, 64 thread processor, 128 gigabytes of RAM and two RTX 2080 TIs. If you don't understand anything I just said, just know this is the Bugatti Veyron of PCs. Why would you get this?  So you've got a nice chunk of cash and you're looking for something serious that can do it all. This is a great system and it is very comparable to what I have for myself. With this, you'll be getting the Ryzen 9 3900X, which is a 12 core, 24 thread processor, which can handle it all from editing to rendering to streaming to gaming, et cetera. This thing can do it with ease. The graphics card is a major part of this budget, which is an RTX 2080 Ti. It's one of the nicest consumer graphics cards you can have right now and it can handle any game at any settings at any resolution. Whatever you wanna throw at it, it can handle it. This system has 32 gigabytes of RAM, which can easily handle your millions of Chrome tabs, which all definitely have safer work videos on them. If you're an editor or content creator, this is really nice to have because you don't need to open and close different programs to allocate more RAM for one program over the other. With this list, you're basically getting the same exact PC from the list before. The only difference is the graphics card. Instead of an RTX 2080 Ti, you will be getting an RTX 2080, which most of you will never notice the difference performance wise. The only circumstance in which someone will notice the performance dip is if you are a gamer who likes to play games at 4K. And to be honest, I don't understand those people. Why are you so extra? Okay, so we've dropped another $500. What's the difference? Well, to the average gamer, streamer, or even medium to high end content creator, there really isn't one. What I mean by that is the two major changes to this list are the CPU and RAM. The processor for this list is a Ryzen 7 3700X, which is an eight core 16 thread processor. Instead of a 12 core 24 thread beast, you are now getting an eight core 16 thread slightly less impressive beast. For those of you that don't know PC parts, just know that your average consumer has a processor from two to six cores. If you are ignorantly trying to get a top tier PC and think that you need more, please understand that this processor is still very top tier. For the RAM, we dropped the capacity to 16 gigabytes to accommodate this new budget. This is still enough to game and stream, but definitely not enough to have multiple content creation programs open at the same time. To explain this bill more simply, I personally could get by by using this PC. I stream and edit for a living. My livelihood depends on a good PC. I could do what I do now on this PC, even though it would be a downgrade for me. So if you're just casually gaming and streaming and still want an amazing experience, this will deliver that as well. Okay, so this list is similar to the previous. The only difference is the graphics card. Instead of an RTX 2080, we are going to be going with an RTX 2060 Super, which if you wanted could be replaced by an RX 5700 XT, if you wanted to save yourself even more money and you don't particularly care about the ray tracing technology that comes with RTX cards. If you don't know what ray tracing is, just Google it. Basically what it does is it makes the games that you play a little bit more immersive if the game supports it. In my opinion, it's definitely not necessary, but it is nice to have. The only regular consumer downgrade with this card is that you will no longer be able to game as well at higher resolutions. I'm talking to the people who like playing at 1440p or 4K. And if you are someone who likes to stream off of their graphics card specifically, you will need to drop your settings just a bit when you are playing seriously demanding games. Okay, so we dropped another $500. You're probably thinking, we're gonna start noticing some serious performance loss. To that I say, yes, but also no. In this list, the major differences are the CPU and graphics card. Instead of a Ryzen 7 3700X, we're gonna be going with a Ryzen 7 2700X, which I mentioned earlier. Remember, it is only 10% worse. But you should be aware of this. Price-wise, the 2700X is actually 30% cheaper than the 3700X. So if you're just going off value alone, the 2700X is actually a better buy. For the graphics card, there is definitely a decent downgrade here because this list utilizes the GTX 1660, which is about 30% worse on average in comparison to the RTX 2060 Super. Now you might be thinking 30% is pretty absurd. That's a huge dip. However, this list is $500 cheaper than the last one for what is still a pretty high end gaming PC. Now you might be thinking 30% is pretty absurd. That's kind of a big number. However, keep in mind that this list is $500 cheaper than the last one for what is still a top tier PC. If you're a gamer who also likes to stream, you're definitely gonna want to use your CPU and streaming off of this specific PC so that your graphics card can focus on allocating all of its resources to the game. If you're comparing it to the last list, you will still have nice stream quality because of how powerful the 2700X is. And honestly, you will still have a really nice gaming experience as well. Feel free to look up the benchmarks of the GTX 1660. It may not be the most amazing card, but if you're playing games at 1080p, you can still run just about anything on high settings. Okay, so we have definitely now entered the lower budget end of PC building. These list going forward will be the list that definitely compete and beat out any Black Friday pre-built PC that you're gonna find. Like I said before, anything in this video is going to do that, but these ones specifically will give you much better value than anything even comparably priced. I say that because there are actually some decently priced pre-built PCs coming from CyberPowerPC during Black Friday. If you don't want to build your PC and you want more information on that, follow me on Twitter. I am posting a Black Friday guide for all things tech related, including those pre-built PCs. So make sure to check it out. Anyways, this list is my favorite out of all of them. This is the one that I use most often when I'm trying to surprise someone with a new PC or get them into gaming, and I really want them to have a great experience. Here you are getting a Ryzen 5 2600, which is a 6-core 12-thread processor, 16 gigabytes of RAM, and an RX 580 8 gigabyte graphics card. Now I know I said earlier that the average consumer processor can be anywhere from two to six cores, but don't think for a second that this processor is underwhelming in any way. This is actually one of the last processors I would recommend if you were looking to start streaming seriously, but are on a budget. The quality of this thing is capable of is actually just good enough to make you look professional, can handle any game you're going to want to play, and can also handle medium levels of content creation. As for the graphics card, the RX 580 8 gigabyte variant is actually my favorite budget graphics card. You can run a great stream out this thing as well as play most games on high settings at 1080p. For eSports tiles or shooters that require high FPS, you can also drop the setting slightly in game to reach that 144 sweet spot or maybe even 240 FPS. It depends on the game. Let me say this again. This is my favorite list out of all of them in this video.  Now we're getting into the area where we're making sacrifices. I'll be honest with you. This PC is not very pretty. This is the only time I will point that out because the rest of the budgets going forward require you to get the cheapest case possible in order to stay under budget. So if you can find something cheaper than what I've linked below, feel free to change it. That said, what this PC lacks in looks, it makes up for in performance. This PC uses the Ryzen 5 1600 which is also a six core 12 third processor. It's just slightly weaker in the previous generation of the Ryzen 5 2600. We also have to drop our RAM capacity to eight gigabytes which makes multitasking on this PC a lot more difficult. What's crazy about this build is you are actually still able to stream as well as game. That's right. You can have a gaming and streaming processor for $400 using new parts. The processor is the only thing you were going to be able to stream off of because the graphics card is the GTX 1650. It's not so much that that graphics card is incapable of streaming. It's just a weaker variant of the 1650. So you're not going to want to use that for any encoding. That said, it's not that bad of a card. It can still play a lot of games pretty decently on 1080p. I would recommend keeping most of your games at medium settings. Content creation is definitely still possible on this PC. However, I would strongly advise against longer form 10 minute videos because that will start to burden your editing software. This is mostly due to the smaller RAM capacity. Overall, this is a solid system. If you're just gaming, this is an awesome option. And if you want to do a little bit more than that, this PC is still capable. All right, so from this point onwards, you are getting a slightly improved gaming console. This system is for gaming. It's not great, but it's definitely not bad. If you're someone playing at 1080p, just running eSports titles, you're going to have a good time on the system. If you're someone who wants to load up more advanced titles like Red Dead Redemption 2 or the new Star Wars game, you're definitely going to have to drop your settings to medium, maybe even lower to enjoy them at a reasonable frame rate. In this PC, we're using the Ryzen 3 1200, which is the weakest processor of the non-integrated graphics Ryzen series. It is a four core, four third processor, which is fine for gaming and productivity, but not streaming and content creation. If you surf the web and play games, this is fine. The RAM and graphics card are actually the exact same from the previous list, so no changes there. The only time I would recommend buying this specific list is if you have $350 to spend now and plan on running into an extra 250 in the future to make a nice upgrade. Now that might sound like a total of $600 when you're thinking, I should just wait till I have that much money. But remember, when you buy newer parts, you can sell your old ones to subsidize the cost. So at this budget, you can no longer afford a graphics card. This PC runs off what is called integrated graphics. That means the processor handles both the computing tasks as well as the graphics tasks. Now, if you don't know much about those, then you're probably wondering, what is the performance like on something like that? To be honest, it's not great. However, I actually recommend this list over the $350 list and here's why. The processor on this list is the 2400G, which is a four core eight thread processor. That's better than the Ryzen 3 1200. In the last list, a logical upgrade will cost you $250. That's because I assume you would want to upgrade the CPU as well as the graphics card. For this list, you would only need $150 to make a logical upgrade. The reason I say that is because you could in theory buy an RX 588 gigabyte graphics card and spend a total of $450 eventually on this PC. Once you buy this new graphics card, the 2400G only has to become a CPU and the RX 580 can handle all the GPU tasks. The best part is when you do make this upgrade, you don't even have to sell any of your old parts to help subsidize the cost. Aside from that, the 2400G alone is actually not that bad for gaming. That's if you are someone who just wants to run the games and doesn't care that much about graphics. You won't be able to run any seriously demanding games off the 2400G unless you consider dropping the resolution down to 720P and keeping games at low settings. If you're okay with doing that, you can actually still have a decent time. Just a quick note, for this specific list, there's actually a really good bundle deal that gets two of the parts you need to build this. If you want to make it even cheaper, I think this gets down to $200, so make sure you take advantage of that. Anyway, so finally, we have the cheapest budget in this video. I made this because I figured for those of you that want a PC over a console, I need to make a list that is similarly priced to a console. This PC is running integrated graphics as well, and it utilizes the 2200G instead of the 2400G. In case it isn't apparent, yes, the 2200G is weaker than the 2400G. I only recommend this list for people who are looking to get into gaming right now, only have $250 that they want to spend, and that's all they foresee themselves having in the near future. That said, an eventual $100 on a graphics card would actually be a very substantial upgrade to the system if you find $100 somewhere. 720P or 1080P at low settings is what you'll be looking at for almost all the games you play. Lighter eSports titles like League of Legends or CSGO should run fine, but more demanding games like Rainbow Six Siege or PUBG will definitely struggle. Just to reiterate, this list is for people that do not have high standards when it comes to gaming on PC. The target audience for someone who might be okay with a list like this are 10 to 16 year olds who have never had a gaming experience on a computer before. At this budget, I personally would spend my money on used parts locally on OfferUp, Craigslist, or maybe even eBay and try to get a better deal. That does require knowledge of how to build a computer and knowing what parts are compatible, but like I said, it's up to you. Ah, and lastly, I said I'd cover this at the beginning of the video, the $20 PC. How do you build a PC for $20? Well, I've done it, and I'll explain it to you now. Let me ask you something. Right now, if you go to Facebook Marketplace, OfferUp, Craigslist, try to find an ad of someone who's trying to buy older iPhones. I did this in the past, but basically this is how this hustle works. If you have 20 bucks, try to buy an iCloud locked 6S+. I guarantee you can find at least one desperate person in a month's worth of time selling it to you for $20. What you do is you take that phone and then you resell it for parts because there are people who have the skill set of utilizing those parts and using them to replace or fix other existing iPhones. I have a video I've been working on for about six to eight months now where I started with $20 and ended up with a thousand. And let me tell you, you can take that $20 and keep re-flipping it until you have enough to build a PC that exists on any of these lists. Does it take a while? For me, it took two weeks. It's up to you if you're willing to put in that hustle. I'm just putting that option out there. If you really don't have the money, it is possible to work your way up. So I hope out of any of the budgets or any of the information I shared here, you're able to get the PC of your dreams for this holiday season. I hope it helps out. Just remember a few things. Come to the live streams. If you have any questions about anything on this video or if you have a more specific question that wasn't addressed here, there is a huge Black Friday guide coming out that I will be posting on Twitter. And then finally, thank you guys for watching this video. I hope you found it creative, entertaining and more informative in any way, shape, or form. And as always, have a great day.


this news, which came through just a short time ago. Ian Rappaport saying that Washington quarterback Michael Penicks Jr. Set to have dinner with the Patriots brass and coaches tonight in Foxboro. And he has a top 30 visit tomorrow sources saying New England continues to do all the quarterback homework. So let's bring in Tommy Kerr, Phil Perry right now as we can. Phil, what do you make of this that Michael Penicks now added to the list of guys who've been brought in? Yeah, really interesting because he's not in that class in terms of being a high end first round pick. That's not how he's considered by the league and so now they're broadening their search. And I wonder if they're broadening it because there might be some of that same disagreement, lack of consensus that Tom and I had off the very top of the show on J.J. McCarthy. And if they think, oh, the best thing for us if we can't get settled on one guy at three overall, if we do end up trading back, now we're open to the second tier of quarterbacks, whether it's Michael Penicks or Bonex or maybe even further down the line Spencer Rattler, people like that. For me, Tom, he comes with a variety of concerns. Michael Penicks does, he is off the charts in terms of the intangibles stuff. Tough, he's been through a lot personally. He's dealt with two season ending knee injuries, two season ending shoulder surgeries. So all kinds of grit there and he's played some really high level football the last couple of years, but there's a lot that makes him a second round prospect as opposed to a high first round prospect like some of these other guys too. I think it's good that they kick the tires on every single prospect that they could conceivably cross pass with. And I think that Michael Penicks while there are aspects of his game that aren't delightful including the injuries, including the relatively older age, he's 24 now and will be 24 as a rookie. There are elements of his game with the arm strength, the ability to just move the ball with a flick of his wrist, the leadership skills, the toughness. Now, when Gerard Mayo and Elliot Wolfe discussed all the quarterback prospects, they talked about the toughness and it's more germane when it comes to McCarthy, Penicks and Drake may to me and Jayden Daniels too, but if you figure he goes to the commanders, whatever. All of those guys are tough and it's absolutely indispensable to have physical and mental resilience when they get here. So Penicks to me, if you end up trading down and getting Michael Penicks and having artillery to fill wide receiver, offensive tackle, cornerback edge, all those places or most of them, that's awesome. That's great. That's why I again circle back to the conversation we had at the top and I eventually folded my tent on JJ McCarthy because you can't go wrong in many ways. The Patriots should not be able to go wrong in this trap. They can screw it up after the player gets here, but the player they select is going to be worthy of being an NFL starting quarterback. But you wouldn't take Michael Penicks at three overall, for example. I would not, no, no. So for the folks who are tuning in and say, Penicks at three, I would highly doubt that. Okay, so in this scenario, would it then, do you think it's more likely that the Patriots are trading down, getting a package of picks and then you're looking at Michael Penicks and say, you said second round, do you think that there's any chance he jumps to the end of the first round? I do. I think there's a chance he gets taken in the first round. There seems to be a lot of buzz around the Raiders and Michael Penicks. Raiders are quarterback needy. They're right in the middle of the first round. And so maybe they feel comfortable there, taking them there. There's a lot though that should give you pause as a franchise that's investing in this guy as the face of your franchise. It starts with the injuries to me. Two torn ACLs to the lead leg, so his right leg over the course of his career that doesn't bode all that well for his long-term health with that particular knee. His accuracy in the short range isn't awesome. He is thought to be and he played in an offense that was thanks in part to three quality NFL receivers that are all get drafted this year. And a great offensive line. I believe they won the award for the best offensive line in college football this past year. They threw that thing down the field, down the field again, again, again. And again, so if he was going to a Bruce Arians type of offense, Tom, that's your guy right there. But if you want to be able to dink and dunk a little bit more, he's probably not it. That's why scheme fit to me, sorry to you, is so important with Pentax because if you look at that, what he was so great at and why he was absolutely scintillating in the national semifinal was his downfield throws an accuracy, but as we all know, it's easier to track a fly ball than a line drive. You're going to be a more accurate quarterback down the field if you can keep it on the grid if you have a pension for doing that. J.J. McCarthy rarely threw downfields compared to the other guys, but he was as accurate as could be relative to, for instance, Drake May on the underneath. He blew May away in terms of accuracy underneath. The Patriots don't have the artillery to be a downfield passing team. End of story and it's going to take years for them to build that up. That's why if you look at a McCarthy versus a Pentax or even a May, there's a better fit for the personnel in some ways. I look at the due diligence has to be part of this as well, right? They're doing due diligence by talking all these quarterbacks. What else would there be to gain? If they're not planning on trading out of that number three pick, what else do they stand to gain by meeting with all these different quarterbacks here, leading up to the draft when you're kind of coming up on a short clock? Yeah, not really though. I mean, you've already, no, I think right now you're into talking about, okay, who's going to go undrafted? Who are the UDFAs that we want to chase? You're looking at medicals and trying to establish things like that. I think right now is the time that where you try and dye your eyes and crush your teeth because you don't know what Oakland's going to do or Denver's going to do or the Giants might do. So what do you gain by all these interviews in Michael Penic?  How much are you going to give us? You're going to give us this, this and Devante Adams? All right, let's do that. Say the bag that we've been talking about for weeks. Say it's overwhelming on draft night. And wow, we weren't planning on trading out of three but we do have some concerns about the quarterback that falls to us there. Maybe we should take said bag and now we're in the mix for a day two quarterback, whether it's Michael Penic or one of these other guys. I would say to this, the real, the story is interesting to me is because this does represent somewhat of a shift, at least publicly, meaning they didn't meet with Michael Penic even at the combine. Now he was at the senior bowl. Patriots had representatives there, although Elliot Wolfe was not there.  I believe his pro day was on the same day as North Carolinas. So they had, I think it was Cam Williams who's the director of college scouting, hugely important guy in their front office for draft weekend, but it wasn't Mayo and Elliot Wolfe. And so if they think there's any chance they might be in the day two or late day one quarterback mix, it behooves them to get as much information on all these guys that they can. But if this does feel like a little bit of a shift, Tom, because it felt like for weeks, months even, boy, they haven't done almost anything on Michael Penic as far as we know. There's all sorts of private workouts, Zoom calls that you can do with these guys. So they may have been doing all this stuff with Michael Penic and we just don't know it. This is the first bit of public information that we have that says they're gonna spend hours with this guy.  Not to say they're gonna do it, but more or less if this and this happens, well, then we're out of the quarterback market, which is what our default is as we sit here right now.


Well, this is awkward So YouTube team keep it clean what's going on is engraving here with another video And if you've been paying attention for the last couple of the even if you haven't even been paying attention for the last couple of days You know that there has been a lot of craziness going on with the Baltimore Ravens and their running back room Of course after all the workouts after all the rumors after all of this and that that The Ravens ended up signing Levy on bail to the practice squad And they said that he's expected to be on the active roster soon enough when that time comes Hey, who knows but we'll see if it's sooner rather than later But like I said in yesterday's video, I'm sure it's a very humbling experience For one Levy on bail being on the practice squad after being one of the best running backs in the league just a couple of years ago, but Before Levy on bail was officially added to the practice squad We all had our thoughts on who the Ravens should sign who they should bring in I thought that they should bring in Devonte Freeman I thought that he is a better fit than Levy on bail But with them bringing in Levy on bail Even though he has a different style from what the Ravens do Maybe that change of pace could end up being good and especially I know everybody's been talking about His hands this dude can catch like a wide receiver which we know in which we appreciate and we also know that with JK Dobbins He was expected to get very much more involved in the passing game Gus Edwards is as well so with Levy on bail hey, why not and Again worst case scenario because I know it's been a lot of people freaking out about the Levy on bail signing Oh, man, what if he starts acting up? What if he doesn't work out? What if it's this? What if his dad? What if he doesn't look so good? They'll cut him It's not a big deal Worst case scenario. He doesn't look good. He doesn't look explosive. They cut him But you got to feel like with the Ravens and the way that these dudes run the ball That even if a running back hasn't looked himself over the past couple of years even though again chiefs They're not a running team. They're not and the Jets they barely even a team. They're not So you can't really hold those teams and that lack of production that Levy on bail had with those guys Against his overall career. So I'm excited to see what these Ravens do with Levy on bail I'm happy for Levy on bail that he's getting another shot and We getting the motivate extra motivated Levy on bail We saw how he updated his bio to everything that everybody had been saying about him But anyway, somebody else whose first name just so happens to start with an L They were released from their team yesterday before Levy on bail had but before it was announced that Levy on bail had became a member of the Baltimore Ravens practice squad and that was one Latavius Murray and like we talked about yesterday is funny because There's been a lot of people on both sides of the whole Levy on bail should the Ravens sign them Should they not sign them and after they did sign them. There's been a whole lot of people on both sides Oh, I don't think it's gonna work out. That's a ways in. Oh, no This thing could really do some damage in a good way to opposing teams defenses But and then I know somebody was like man, imagine now Lamar Jackson Levy on bail when they get on that back Y'all football too. Oh Anyway So with Levy on bail there was that 50 50 split with the Vonte Freeman the same thing and with a lot of other players And whatnot is always that split and that's fine. Everybody's not gonna agree on everything But yesterday when Latavius Murray was released. I literally saw all the Ravens flocking unison Everybody was on the same page with that and we could all understand why this is a running back I had a good average for yards per carry last year as a backup had a good average yards per catch last year as a backup for the New Orleans Saints So when you think about that and he had a he's had a pretty productive career He played with the Raiders. He played with the Vikings as well And he's usually been a backup guy He's had some stints as a starter now and he's been productive when he's a starter But he's always been a productive running back and if he that Ravens would have added him to the mix I don't think anybody would be complaining but He himself He wouldn't be complaining either because it seems as if Latavius Murray is actually still interested in the Ravens And I'm not sure if when this came out. Maybe he hadn't got the memo yet Because we know that timing is everything, but let's look at what he said when speaking to one. Josena Anderson She said just got off the phone with running back Latavius Murray. He told me and she quoted these are his words not hers I'm willing to discuss an opportunity with anyone interested in me Okay, cool. Well, that's the obvious, right? Like I'm willing to discuss in it in an opportunity with anybody that's interested in me Okay, we get it because he right now. He doesn't have a job. He does not have a job And real quick just to get into that with Saints releasing him Shannon shop made a really really good point yesterday And I'm sure many players have gone through this as well And I'm paraphrasing because I don't remember the exact tweet But he talked about how with the Saints just the timing of it was just nasty Because he said the Saints they sort of backed what they thought they back Latavius Murray into a corner Because they could have asked him about this whole little pay cut They could ask him about it in March They could ask him about it a long time ago But they waited and waited and waited and waited and waited and waited and waited and waited until a couple of days before the season's getting ready to start and So to where you sort of like I a he's stuck now Let's ask him to take this pay cut. He gonna take it because he ain't got all the options Options will be becoming a free agent You going to be a free agent at this time the market is it's not done But it's it's really slow right now, especially for running backs We got it right where we want it. So the accident take a pay cut now instead of way before and he said no So their plan may have backfired and they're like, all right, you know what just buy you're out But anyway Back to the quote said I'm willing to discuss an opportunity with anyone interested in me at the same time Baltimore is a team that was impacted by injuries has a great chance of winning and a great coaching staff. I Just want to get to work So he sounds like he is very interested in the Ravens because he brought out Several things that make a big difference and I know a lot of people have talked about. Well, what about the money? What about the bread? Well, if you got a player that just got cut and they speaking about these things Then it seems as if it may not be all about the money Because with Justin Houston again, it was not all about the money. He saw an opportunity And he knows what these Ravens are capable of He jumped on it And we've seen plenty of players plenty of times They with the Ravens, they love the culture there man. They love it Lot of them take less money, you know Ravens. They love giving less money too, but a lot of them would take less money Just so they could stick around Mark Andrews Enough times with contracts, especially with quarterbacks, but we're really with any position. It's not always about who the best is It's not It's not always about who the best is it's about the timing of the deal Remember Joe Flacco. He got paid highest paid quarterback. He was never the best quarterback in the league Now he did come off a Super Bowl So he was the most recent successful quarterback in the league at that time But he was never the best quarterback in the league So he ended up getting be becoming the highest paid quarterback at that time twice two times in his career He was the highest paid quarterback and it's like in one of those times where he was coming off ACL injury, but anyway with Mark Andrews, he doesn't have the highest average salary now It said that over the next four years. He'll get the most money by a tight end, but Maybe Ronnie Stanley will probably be a better example He's the top left tackle in the league He's not the highest paid though Marlon Humphrey, he's the top cornerback in the league and you can seriously make a case that he's number one For everything that he can do moving inside outside and all that but he's not the highest paid corn in the league So you get my point with with the Ravens guys will they'll take less Just to stay because these guys could easily leave they could easily come out. Hey, I want to be traded I don't want to be here anymore. I'm trying to be the highest paid I'm trying to be a high-spay that and Ravens wouldn't want to trade him, but Ravens will be like, you know what? All right, let's get some draft capital form by But these guys end up taking less staying around So this says a lot about Latavius Murray to and to me It shows me that it wouldn't be all about the money now. It would also need to be an opportunity to and with the Ravens having Levy on bail in a practice squad now Devonte Freeman he's still in town Canon they expected to sign him. We'll see what happens With that the running back room it can go from being Not crowded to crowded really fast So we just got to see how things develop over these next couple of days and after the Levy on bail signing I don't expect him to get signed by the Ravens, but You can never say never so we'll see how it all goes down team keeping clean. I love y'all. I appreciate y'all we out