It's gonna be a doozy today. We're we're both products Todd. Did you know that? I Am not a number. I am a real man All right, I mean a free man. You're right. Let's do this. You ready? I Am as ready as I'm likely to become That's just gonna have to be good enough You like me really I do it This is Siri the daily tech news show by Tom Merritt is brought to you by all of the supporters at patreon If you also want to support Tom go to patreon.com slash ace detect that is patreon.com slash AC Edie Tect and thanks as always for listening to the Daily Tech News show This is the Daily Tech News from Monday September 29th 2014. I'm Tom Merritt joining me today from out the geek radio Mr. Todd Whitehead Welcome back to the show. Mr. Todd Whitehead. Hey, how's your world? My world is round and I believe it's curvature of space is nearly flat Although we're still waiting for some more EMB measurements to confirm that that does Depend on your point of view but moving on. Yeah, everything's relative, right? Good to have yet. We're gonna talk about all kinds of interesting stuff today Including whether we are products in this world of Facebook slash. Hello Governor But also we've got we've got some interesting voicemails to get to on On iPhone materials and messenger apps, but let's start with the headlines Facebook announced it's relaunching its atlas ad platform with a new interface and the ability to track people across devices and Even bridge the gap between an online ad impression and an offline purchase TechCrunch reports Facebook is quick to remind us that atlas is not an ad network But is meant to measure and verify ad impressions Facebook calls it people-based marketing because that sounds friendly Although it also assures us that the data is encrypted and not associated with individual peoples So they in no way have little private dossiers about every single thing you've ever done in your life Not at all. Don't even just stop thinking that we're gonna wipe that thought for your brain The Verge reports cloud fair deployed universal SSL Offering free SSL encryption to any site that opts in including customers of cloud players free service Cloud flare says yesterday there were about two million sites active on the internet that supported encrypted connections By the end of today, we will have doubled that as long as they all opt in now. This is really good though I actually went and explored to make sure my cloud flare thing. It was in line for this I guess they're rolling out the paid people first and then the free people after that. This is great Money first the New York Times reports that all those folks waiting in line to buy iPhones So they could resell them in China may not have paid off As much as some may have hoped the iPhone 6 and 6 plus have not been approved for official sale in China yet So there's this gray market where you can buy it and the Times tells anecdotes of falling prices on those gray market iPhones One whole sale they're complaining. They have way too many iPhone 6's in stock Macroamers reports a leaked internal memo indicates the iPhone may be approved for sale in China soon hitting stores October 7th and going on sale in China October 10th You know, I just see this as a maturing customer base in China Who knows all I need to do is wait a couple of weeks and I'll be able to get it legit for way less money and Why pay the gray market price women all in these little patients? Well, I think you're right about that I think that is a factor and then Xiaomi and Meizu Are very popular phones that are often compared to iPhones and I think a lot of those mature people may go Well, I can just spend less money on a Xiaomi or a Meizu phone. Like why should I why should I even bother with these thousand dollar phones? CNET reports that Microsoft will open a flagship retail store in New York City on Fifth Avenue replacing a Fendi store Offensive or Fendi now no purse per store Fendi purses. I'm offended by purses. Okay Fair enough. I respect your right to Back when Microsoft launched the original surface back in 2012 the company opened a pop-up store in Times Square and they do have some Retail stores in the New York area, but this is their first permanent Manhattan location No word on an opening date yet merely walking distance from the nearby Apple store Aha, ours technical reports that Adobe is finally bringing Photoshop to Chromebook as part of creating the cloud as such The app will be accessed remotely not stored locally and be Streamed a streaming version of Photoshop will run in a virtualized environment. It will not have GPU support at launch though The network requirements are listed as 5 megabits per second max latency 250 and right now the program is in beta So it's only available to US education customers who also subscribe to Adobe's creative cloud Lenovo announced it will officially close its acquisition of IBM's x86 server business on October 1st CNET reports that will make Lenovo the third largest seller in the x86 server market IBM will continue to provide maintenance support on the service for a certain extended period of time So so went to the think-pads. So go with the server business Yeah, Lenovo is just eating little bits of IBM that IBM gets tired of I mean IBM's doing fine With their their their cloud services and solutions management and big iron and all the other areas that I'm not remembering right now that they're in And they just keep shedding these other more consumer-oriented parts to the more nimble. I guess Lenovo This is kind of good news for everybody really if you're Lenovo It's good news because you become more you become bigger it's gonna be a cash machine for them and and it's the kind of thing that you want to be in and are excited being Versus like an HP or an IBM where you're struggling to make it work, right? And now the server business you can you can build those network surveillance hardware secret chips right in at the factory It's so much easier. Well and being based in dual headquarters in the United States and China They have the two biggest markets for that Not an accident. It's part. It's perfect Speaking of China and surveillance fire chat has become a popular tool for sharing information among students Demonstrating in Hong Kong the app allows communication in a mesh network using Bluetooth and Apple's multi-peer connectivity framework That when the cell data or the Wi-Fi don't work tech in Asia reports student activist leader Joshua Wong posted a message urging people to download fire chat in anticipation of poor cellular network connectivity and It is taken off Like fire chatting The the quit there's a lot of debate about how useful the information being sent over fire chat is It's not as it's not as mature of a platform say as Twitter, but it's working. It's working really well The underlying technology of this is what excites me. I'm waiting for the first application that brings it into the public's sphere of noticing things Because a mesh network with mobile devices is a potentially an incredibly powerful thing Imagine the times were at large conventions and the cellular service is useless the Wi-Fi is useless Using a mesh network of our own devices. We could stay in touch with each other much more easily We just need to teach people that the functionality is in a lot of their devices already. We're just not utilizing It's not turnkey enough for everyone and this is one of those events that can help popularize it Right, but it's not but people who think of it is like well I'm not in a protest You know what I'm going to use it for the fire chat people actually develop it for big events for things like sporting events and Conferences where the networks get overloaded. So yeah, I love the potentially have one person who is in range of a good Wi-Fi hot spot They can be the gateway to the internet for everybody else in the area Everyone talks to everyone then just passes it off to the internet. It's a wonderful portable personal cellular network I just I'd love to see it used at all really other than these few few things. We've seen Jenny our producer points out a great for Earthquakes tornadoes hurricanes disaster scenarios So something like that comes along that may be a situation where people end up using it And it gets some it's propelled more into the mainstream actually there've been some mesh networks not fire chap But there've been some mesh networks set up in the post Sandy post Katrina situations even as far back as that and and and it's definitely spurred development of that forward. Yep Time now for some news from you. These are submitted at our subreddit daily tech news show dot reddit dot com If you haven't popped by there, it's fun just to look at to see what the audience is into It tells me some things that are of more interest than maybe I thought some things that may be getting overlooked by the mainstream press That our audience is into so get in there and if you don't even submit URLs You can just vote on the things that other people have submitted daily tech news show dot reddit dot com Go wing DMC passed along a nine to five Mac report that Apple has removed an app called launcher from its app store for quote misuse of widgets First degree don't misuse your widgets The Apple out users to create custom shortcuts to apps from notification center users who already upgraded to the pro version of the app Through an in-app purchase will still be able to keep the pro capabilities But no one else will be able to purchase the upgrade going forward It's the same old thing if you've already bought it you get to keep using it Apple said there is no chance that launcher will be allowed back in the store with the widget functionality still in place So remember treat your widgets with kindness and respect people And obey zero rules Yeah, that apple says no Bay zero rules Habitrile Condolce pointed out the artist technical article on research out at the University of Central, Florida That indicated Google Glass is no safer than phones for texting while driving However, glass users did regain control of their vehicles faster than phone users following traffic incidents This adds to other studies that generally show the distraction of texting or calls is the danger not the form factor of the device Upon which they are accessed Distraction is a distraction is a distraction. Yeah, I'm I'm all for telling people they shouldn't talk on the phone or text While driving. I think it's silly to have a hands-free law. I don't think that makes you any safer It's the distraction of trying to think about a conversation where the person isn't there It seems seems weird people like well, what's the difference if they're there or not? Well, you know, what if it's a person in the back seat? You're not looking at them It there's been tons of studies that show that when the person is not physically present and it's not possible for you to look at them Your brain thinks about the conversation differently because it knows it can't get verbal cues And that is a bigger load on your brain Same thing goes with text message or when you're trying to compose and write and read It takes a part of your brain away whether it's right in front of your face or not I do think it makes sense that you would respond to an incident faster because you're already facing forward So that's where the hands-free part of it does make sense a little Diggs a lot submitted the BGR report that Microsoft may make Windows 9 free At least for some customers among the many reports on this Indonesian online publication Detic said earlier this week that president of Microsoft Indonesia Andreas Dianatro said Windows 9 would be free to existing Windows 8 users Microsoft has an announcement about Windows scheduled for tomorrow, September 30th. So we may find this out tomorrow Yeah, there'd be an interesting move on there part I mean the the most telling thing about Windows 8 was when I read the reports of on the Microsoft campus It was referred to as Vista 2.0 So not the held in the highest regard or not felt as their shiniest most successful release ever If they were to you know, give us the gesture of we're very sorry Here's here's one that's more like Windows 7 like you wanted at launch of 8 for free That would be a wonderful PR move the pre-reviews the release videos of the pre-release videos I've seen of Windows 9 look very nice and very much like a return to mouse and keyboard form for them And I can get it for free double awesome Yeah I think this this is gonna be very telling how they put out this announcement because some of the stuff I read said well What they really ought to do is give out Windows 9 for free to XP users because those are the ones that they Really need to get off the platform right that would be funny if they're like Windows 9 is free as long as you have XP Vista or 9 Windows 7 users you have a good product Upgrade I don't think they'll do that But I do think it could if they say Windows 9's free for everybody you got a Windows installation already You get Windows 9 for free if you don't have a Windows installation you will have to pay for it It would be pointing towards this idea that Sacha Nadella is trying to wean Microsoft off of Windows as Their might main money maker and and push things like office push services things like Skype As the way that they would monetize in the future because they wouldn't be giving it free to enterprise I'm sure the enterprise level if you're gonna have more than than than a family Installation they're still gonna charge your licensing fee. Yeah, so we're parallel to the gaming industry where It's like the the MMO maker is going to the free-to-play model And so Microsoft's gonna need to take their MMO there and flagship product give that away and make money up on all the things You do inside of it. Yeah, you know, we're gonna start buying little hats that can go on our heads in Skype and your genius stickers That's a look at the headlines All right, so we mentioned a little bit about Facebook Relanching Atlas they bought Atlas from Microsoft actually back in 2013. It measures and verifies ad impressions The way it does some of the cooler stuff in this relaunch is what's interesting Facebook saying cookies aren't good enough anymore It's not about setting cookies and tracking cookies because if you're on the mobile platform cookies don't work And you want to be able to track people in apps in a browser, etc. We can do that now They don't say how Wall Street Journal reported that the platform will be linking users add interactions to their Facebook accounts My guess is there are so many apps and websites that ask you or allow you to log in with Facebook That Facebook would be leveraging that somehow so it wouldn't be a hundred percent If you're not logged into Facebook, they wouldn't be able to track you would be my guess even more interesting here is the idea that I can Let's say I'm a Safeway customer or Ralph's or Kroger any of these grocery stores And I have a loyalty card right and I've given them my correct email address Well now the grocery store wants to buy some ads on Facebook Can give an encrypted version of that list to Facebook through or actually to Atlas and say Let us know if anybody on this list sees our ad and then we can compare if they end up spending more than the people who never did see the ad and that gives them some feedback on whether their ad worked or not and That level of interconnectedness between What we picture in our heads as disparate parts of our lives is exactly what freaks out privacy advocates When things you don't expect units you don't expect to be communicating with each other are suddenly on a first-name basis Now Facebook is quick to hastens to add that they don't associate this stuff with accounts These are encrypted lists that are just compared to each other for the raw data and then that raw data is spit out They don't they don't not maintaining a file on individual people They are maintaining a file on individual people with anonymously so you get assigned an identifying number because without there being an identity to form a you know A data field around right then it's this is not useful there So you need to be able to say okay XQ 3 5 9 2 loves to go to Bass Pro shops and loves to buy bass boats and His preferred bait you know you could you build the the profile of A number rather than a person the thing they promise not to do is ever put your real name on that profile But the profile is definitely out there and totally exists and it is you and your habits as they have tracked you The bit that they held hold back on is actually stamping it with your name Right and that is a Concern in and of itself because a you're trusting the company to keep that stuff anonymous B There have been plenty of studies going back to that famous aol study several years ago That show it's still possible to make a very good guess on who someone is even if none of their personally identifying information is available Just based on this kind of behavior behavioral information that is uh that is collected here So on the other side of this we have LO continuing to grab headlines If you if you haven't heard of it yet, we've mentioned it a couple times on the show ELLO.co It's an invite only social network right now And the the big thing about it is they promise never to sell ads that you are not a product They say that right up front If they make money, they're going to make money selling small features So they use as examples. I want to manage multiple accounts with one login Maybe I pay a couple bucks for that. I want emoji packs Designed by shepherd fairy or something like yeah, you pay a little extra for that I think if you don't have to have an office building full of people figuring out how to manipulate people into giving you more data It's really not that hard to run a network with a ton of people on it Says ceo budnitz about LO basically like look you got to have all these people Facebook because you got to figure out How to tweak the business model all the time To track these ads and keep people to do things that will collect data that you can then Sell to to marketers if you don't have to do that. You don't need all those people It's an interesting place to be because I found myself in the recent past looking at some wonderful open source projects that you can get to build your own facebook lookalike and run it yourself Have a private network of your own social network of your own friends and With the idea of building that and opening up to our Listener community of all the different networks that work together and just kind of build our own private little facebook with no ads no trolls and I mentally just kind of always stop short of opening it up because Everybody's on facebook. They're used to facebook. It was a huge cultural shift to get people using Facebook And I'm not confident I could get buy-in from people who like well no I could just see these they can see these same people on facebook It's already easy to find these so I need another account on another service That getting over the inertia of well, I'm already doing it this way And it's mostly satisfying my need to communicate with my friends and my communities Without and yeah, they are the ads are kind of annoying But the annoyance factor hasn't overshadowed the convenience factor yet So anyone elo trying to come in and take a piece of me look at google plus always trying to you know come in And take a piece of facebook's pie It's a it's a hard road to hoe to get the over that inertia of well I've already got the app on my device and all my friends are here How do you break that diaspora tried to do it identica tried to do it Oh played with elgin app.net tried to do it Lots of people have tried to do it. What's interesting is up until facebook It was the norm that was the pattern that you'll have a friendster rise everyone will go there They'll get tired of it They'll move on to my space and then my space will rise and everyone will go there and they'll move on to facebook And facebook put an end to that and now the conventional wisdom is well everybody's on facebook Why would you want to leave it takes a compelling Premise to get people to leave it makes what happened with Friendster my space and facebook was not enough people were there yet So when a compelling premise of whether it was music or whether it was like a better network came along people were willing to try it out Now there's inertia. So it's in my opinion. I'm saying it's going to take a bigger deal to move people over What's interesting about elo is I am seeing All of the people that I would like to see move over diaspora. I didn't see that app.net I didn't see that I'm seeing the same people that back in the day. We're trying out plurk. We're trying out pounce We're willing to give a flyer On a new social network, and I think it's because of that premise of we won't track you Uh people are very concerned about that on the other hand Getting tracked isn't such a bad thing. There's some benefits to it If facebook is not going to like build a secret dossier on you and do evil things What they're really trying to do is say we honestly just want to give you ads that are relevant to you You want to we want to give you things that you won't mind seeing because you want to know about them You want to view them and you want to purchase them and In that respect I I get the facebook argument which is like who knows you better than us For marketing purposes, wouldn't you like us providing the data to people? The the arguments against you know the data gathering and the data mining are always tremendous potential for misuse Until there is that headline of here is facebook We caught them abusing The stuff they said they would not abuse I don't think there will be a shift because People won't feel that there's anything wrong. So the wonderful service and it's free. Yes. I'm used to being advertised to I grew up in the television age Advertisements interrupting my enjoyment are not a new thing and they actually are less intrusive Even though but they're getting very good at making them as intrusive as old television commercials used to be Autoplayed damn you Why google announced a new ad form at full page text? So it's like a magazine ad scrolls down on your mobile device takes over your screen. I'm just going to nip off and shoot myself Um, but until until there is a plan Thank you. Uh, I could count on you the um until there is A major data breach or a major evidence of them using it in a way that really offends people's sensibilities I don't think people are going to want to move away from facebook They may become bored with it But they're not going to move away in droves because of some big Problem with their data being stolen or their data being used or personal private You know personal precious bodily fluids being used in the wrong way Yeah, facebook's weathered several of these mini controversies, right? There was no smoking gun like they've done something Absolutely horrible and unforgivable or illegal, right? They've even done some things that have been found semi illegal And they've had to agree to ftc monitoring and stuff like that But nothing that has done more than caused a temporary amount of internet outrage And all that's done is teach facebook to be more careful about how they roll these things out Uh, I this is the revival of a platform that they wanted to roll out before and I think they were just very careful how they did it I think that they can navigate these waters fairly clean if if they do it, right? But I do think that people are getting tired of being marketed to and I think that lo Has has eyes on it that it wouldn't have had a couple of years ago Thanks to snowden and just years of seeing these kinds of privacy stories in other areas So the question is can they can they convert on that right? Can they bring the people in and then keep them by providing them something else that makes them say Oh, well, I came for the not tracking, but I stayed for the x and I don't know what that x is What is the x other than right now the x can be I stayed because what you said earlier All the people i'm interested in hanging out with are here, right? And the and in today's world my next question to you is do they have a good app on all the platforms you wanted on? Right and right now they're just in browser based which I almost think is the smartest thing to do Because they're like we are just browser based So you don't have any expectation that they will be anywhere else yet And eventually their monetization plan would to me say yeah, we'll have an app. It'll be 99 cents, right? We're not going to we're not going to come out here like twitter with an open api that we then take away from people Uh, we're we're going to monetize the pieces of this that may get annoying to people down the road though We'll have to see Yeah interesting Speaking of ends of eras we're kind of talking about the beginning of a new era there possibly the calendar Shows us that tomorrow september 30th is the last day a tech net subscription Will be active tech net for many years has been a way for people to get lots of software for cheap from microsoft Tomorrow is also the last day for orchid Speaking of social networks being phased out. Goodbye orchid Even in brazil it's not as popular as it used to be It's a social media site owned by google if you didn't know everybody's being directed over to google plus Please exit the orchid safely Through the nearest exit uh microsoft is also having an event as i mentioned tomorrow in san francisco and i believe that uh Everybody else believes that we will hear a windows 9 whether it's called windows 9 or not Is is actually the big question Our pick of the day comes from dave popovich of steward florida who wanted to share a product that saved him Lots of medical bills because he's a network administrator for 500 users in nine locations And spends a lot of time at his computer using his mouse That meant i would drive home after work and massage my right forearm because of the dull ache of carpal tunnel I don't remember how i discovered this product, but it has really made a difference the Evoluent vertical mouse Been using the regular size right-handed wired version for years now at home and at work and have no more wrist pain Works by turning your hand 90 degrees. So you rest your arm on the outside bones and not the soft tissue Of the inside arm. They also make smaller mice and left-handed mice only caveats With years of training to use a mouse one way you are a bit less accurate at first using a vertical mouse It just takes a little practice. Also the mouse has lots of extra buttons Which i found got in the way But just go in the driver and set those trouble buttons to not do anything and it doesn't end up being a problem Uh, he says it really has changed my life and many vendors and computer service folks are very interested When they see it on my desk. If all you it's been around for a long time I know a lot of people who swear by this. I could never get myself to switch I tried it once or twice. Have you ever used a vertical mouse, Todd? No, I am a foggy of the old style. I old and set in my ways. I've tried some of the 3d mice you hold up in the air with accelerometers and things and it just has not I've never had a problem with repetitive stress So I've never felt you just enjoy repetitive stress. You don't have a problem with it Just Jetty adds that the mouse also has bluetooth works with windows and apple computers Has more limited functionality on unix linux and vm where but it does work with those as well Send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show dot com and you can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks All right, we got two voicemails today For our messages and the first one comes from chris He has a quick idea on why facebook might have separated out messenger. Let's take a listen Hi, tom. I've just realized the reason for separating messenger from facebook in mobile applications I'm just about to turn off Facebook notifications on my mobile device. However, I want to keep my messenger notifications on I get too many facebook notifications and they're not important enough to keep them on Um, thanks for the show ozzy chris melbourne australia What do you think of that Todd? Uh, it it gives you a little I I almost feel like this is an accidental Uh benefit of this, but what do you think it? I mean it's certainly convenient and rings true.  I'm guessing I'm taking an extra space on a device for something. I don't care about um This that doesn't feel like quite enough to motivate them to to build a whole new app to support No, I I think there are other reasons and I and I think it has to do with diversification You know wanting to to at least get people who want to use messenger into the ecosystem Without making them use everything else just making it cleaner But chris you definitely hit on a benefit of doing it that way because it can give you a little more fine-tuned control over it Our other voicemail comes from linda. She has a theory. It's theory day people have got good theories She has a theory on why apple might have chosen aluminum for the back of the iphone Hey, tom linda from san jose here just wanted to mention In response to your conversation yesterday about the materials that apple uses when they make the iphone One reason they may choose not to use plastic is because it's recyclable. It's because it would be less recyclable Than metal. I am guessing I am not even in the same universe as an ecologist scientist But I thought that was a thought take care. Bye. All right. So that could be A concern is to say well, we're going to choose this This case material because it's greener apple is definitely trying to win points on their environmental Support, right? Every time a report card comes out apple makes a big deal of how much it improved if it improved Is aluminum Going to be the better choice than plastic there. I couldn't find anything definitive on this It does seem that all the report cards are much more concerned with the toxic chemicals that make up The chips and the boards and things like that than they are with the case material Yeah, there's there's nasty heavy metals and stuff in there But you consider plastic is a petroleum product And aluminum a bauxite is really easy to get out of the ground That's one of the reasons we love aluminum so much is it's it's not deep underground We know not a lot of refinement required. It's a fantastic material So it may just have been when they added up the list of okay. Yes, it's it's greener. We're not supporting Pulling more petroleum out of the ground. Oh, yeah, that's wicked cheaper too Yeah, because I because they could have gone with recycled plastics thing like you know I've seen lots of phones with cases that are made out of old tires and stuff like that But that's actually a more expensive material. I believe So it's I who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men what went into this one May may have been to satisfy users expectations Many of the most popular android phones Have that aluminum back to them or at least an aluminum looking back to you We have magnesium versions and all the different so it may just been let's join the crowd We're joining them with the 5.5 inches. We've got near field communications. Even they're not allowed to use it and Let's look like what a 5.5 inch phone is expected to look like now You're going to get a lot of apple people going apple doesn't join the crowd They design what they think is right and that's a whole separate conversation But I think you're probably on to something which apple definitely Is more concerned about the design and look of their phones And this is plus looks gorgeous if the case were if I had been able to find evidence The case were more important in these environmental ratings. I think blended beyond to something It doesn't seem like the cases is important But if anybody out there knows how these ratings are put together Send us and send us a note feedback at daily tech news show dot com It'd be good to know Thank you linda. Thank you chris and thank you. Todd whitehead Alpha geek radio dot com if you want to listen to not only daily tech news show when it's live But reruns of it as well as loads of other amazing shows.  Are you a nerd? Now come on. You're listening to daily tech news show. I know you're a nerd Come on over to alpha geek radio.com click on the shows tab We have stuff for everybody with an ever-growing list of shows and we just want to spread the good word Share the love come tune in listen. What's on the stream? Click on their link go to their page download their stuff and spread the good nerd word I thank you to 4304 patrons Who have helped us spread a little bit of that nerd word? 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See you then Yeah Hello Quality merchandise people quality merchandise merchandising merchandising That's where the real money in the movie is made Today good title. Oh, yeah Yeah, let's take a look Quality let's take a look Or if you live in new york, it's me I like there's always room for elo I like that That's funny Uh, but also I know social networks.  That's not even close Uh, I can think it but I can't say it. Yeah, me too. My cosby impression is perfect in my head Yes, I'm getting Rooney Uh Do I have two mics? That's that's a dubious question. No, she has two turntables. Does it sound like I have two mics? I don't know Well, if you don't hear it, then no, um, all right The other ones I really think it's there's always room for elo, but I also must recognize. I am a product Facebook shrugged I get it and round joke. Yay I thought that is a qualifying factor mesh network toehold and then elo goodbye You say hello and I say bye And uh, I also like oh this podcast will now cost you eight million dollars And also I do like I have to recognize atlas bugged which is Uh, nice So, um, a lot of oh and personal favorite of mine. We didn't like the fire chat Um, elo, is it me you're looking for is damned clever as well elo And also correct because searching stuff on elo is still very Looking for Yes, that is true. Oh, so it was what my microphone looks like is pop screen shoe at hand Um, well when we reach our 20 thousand dollar patreon goal and go to an official video feed I will address We've got those pop screens.  So there you go. That is a literal closet. Isn't it? Yes, it is That's impressive. It works very well as uh, I need I need to do some remodeling to make it even more so but as a recording space and Space when my wife needs to be on her conference call in the main office and I need to be in my conference column here works great How long has that been your setup? uh Courtified like five six months now And how far into it did you get tired of closet jokes? I don't generally let people know that it is this way So I've avoided it up until the moment you started it. That's good. No, I'm trying.  Yes, that's yeah I figured does it already been made after five or six months? I just don't I don't talk about my closet activity It's okay, Todd.  We're still streaming away. You could talk about it. It's fine It's perfectly natural What am I looking at here?  No, I'm I am looking at something that looks like Oh, that is terrifying It's a It's a picture of brian with the spiky hair Oh Yeah, that used to be the normal used to be terrifying when he had his hair down everybody's like, whoa, who's that? So funny, but it goes along with the words. Hello, is it me you're looking for? With a with a schward photo bomb, huh? That works Now there was uh last time I was in vegas Uh On the inside advertising space of the elevator. They had a local magician ironically who was doing the same super spiked blonde hair This schward night. Oh really make sure to take a photo and put that on say hey Schwan's good to know your hair has a recurring gig in vegas Um, and he quietly see the tattoo himself He did kind of give it a Oh mistel box finally came through with the 20 off on all coffee today In half as in a celebration of coffee day coffee day Uh, so use the code best day I don't get anything from that code by the way, but that just got it on email and you get 20% off coffee day is best day That is not an advertisement. That is just me passing along an email Hooray Dog catcher people you won't hear this because you listened to the show on dog catcher, but I just got the rss feed url approved by soundcloud. So That will solve an issue that we were having with dog catcher Excellent Yay Well, wait a minute what? Well, it says it says that I have it but Lies it's one of those one of those things They're like if you don't see it try logging out and logging back in which I did did you turn it off and on again exactly Have you tried turning it off and turning it off again? My favorite bits from that Which is not yeah, that's not moss or Roy, but with moss you see the see the episode with moss was how helping the bomb squad with their robot Mm-hmm It's okay. We can fix it. What operating system is it running?  Why would you put vista on your bomb robot I gotta go rewatch all of those that that entire series is amazing. It does not get old. It is so it is such a wonderful continuation into my adult life of like the young ones Same kind of sensibilities without being quite as haphazardly acid trippy based Well, did you ever watch father ted? Only in passing I watched it after I had been Introduced to the it crowd or it crowd as some people say they're both right And I can see why like at the time father ted would have been the most hilarious thing ever But after seeing it crowd, I'm like, yeah, this is I would be as excited about father ted if I was a priest As I am about it crowd because I'm into technology Yeah, oh you like technology time It's okay Sometimes I don't like it very much at all It's only like the the Gravity well around which you orbit Yeah Sometimes it orbits me I mean it sends me into orbit. That's what I mean Slingshot gravitational slingshot Um, so did we decide what our title was We did well, and by we I only mean me, but I decided there's always room for elo Uh, and if anyone has a problem speak now before I upload because it's my last chance to change the ID Yeah, it was close though. I started to lean toward elo is it me you're looking for there for a second Because they're both good They both work two ways, which is good exactly Served two ways for you today Oh, let's say we're going with like I don't know why you say facebook. I say elo It was good though the other one I'd like to know was the Hello, elo. Good. Bye orchid Or orchid I really liked it for a month or two That's I went I went in, uh, right before or right after they announced that they were going to wind it down And I I took a look at my fans of turn signals group that I had been a part of one last time It was just the the group picture. I had forgotten this till I looked at it was a guy in a car Doing the left turn signal but making a gesture with his finger That's not the boy scout salute. Oh jeez tvz gone It's too late.   You can include I guess what I mean to say is You can include it in the rss feed without Making it downloadable Those are two different and independent So I would grab just the description and no download link. No, I think it would I think it would work It's just not going to give you a download link on the sound cloud Gotcha. Oh, you're experimenting with the sound cloud podcast support. Yeah, how's that going? Well, it's been going great. I've been using it to host the files lately And the only problem was with the dog catcher folks because There was just no way to convince dog catcher Before I got the rss feed turned on that my little url hack wasn't the same file every day Um, it wouldn't update then Yeah, so so I was trying things like putting wild cards after a question mark and things like that and to varying degrees I was waiting for the rss feed From sound cloud to get approved so that I could get the actual url um To the actual file And then Dog catcher should be fine Dog catcher is finicky, man. Mm-hmm It's catching dogs XML in general. There's there's so many Unspoken forks and subtle changes and enhancements to it. It's like why do we have standards people? This is why we can't have my standards. Well, and this is that's why I don't want to say dog catcher It has a problem. I don't think they have a problem It's it's that their standards comply at half the time that causes the problem And the fact that nobody else is means that it works for everybody But them because they're actually trying to implement things correctly I I don't I don't like blaming them We're singling them out just But we did Well, I singled them out, but then I tried to make the caveat All right, let's make sure this feed actually works Yes, it does it downloads the right file The file seems to be the entire show Good good all of all of ticking all the boxes here I'm always it's always a fun thing to see what my import widget makes of your your content Oh, yeah Oh, you made a change a couple weeks ago. I think in how you're publishing it comes through much more right side up now Um, I used to get all kinds of html As part of the feed So basically you would have black on black text until I until I got in there manually edited it Oh god, okay recent recent weeks. It's been very nice. It's actually even grabbing your dtms logo and bringing it over automatically White on black text, which is a plus I'm gonna get me that a voluent mouse. Oh, yeah, you like it. I could never I could never use it But I know lots of people have loved them. I definitely sense like it would be a challenge but I think it's a challenge I want to try to overcome because uh Damn my wrist hurts all the time because I have that Apple trackpad One and it's just not quite right for um You know, you kind of have to hold your wrist up at a weird angle. So I would give anything to have a mouse that was Um less stress on the soft tissue Challenge accepted It is on my amazon wish list So family you have been duly notified All right, uh Everything is uploaded archive video or no not video archive.org audio with the org file happening soon and soundcloud and I'm out of the post. Would you like some um show notes? Yes, please. Would you like a jelly baby? Would you like a jelly show note? All right, thanks everybody on the videos. Goodbye


I'm going to call the License Hearing and Public Safety Committee to order on September 27, 2023, 4, 15 p.m. Roll call. Alderperson, thank you, Alderperson Heidemann, Alderperson Decker, Alderperson Barfeldi, I am here and we're hoping that Amanda will be here shortly, if not she's excused. Pledge of Allegiance. Stand to begin. I pledge allegiance to the party of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Okay, introduction of committee members. I think we pretty much covered that. How about our guests? I'm Melissa Fosfender from the clerk's office. Liz Mejera is legal. Kathy Hoffman city attorney's office. And Dave sitting in a corridor. I'm looking for approval of the minutes from September 13, 2023. Who's approved? Second. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Chair votes aye. Motion passes. I'm on number six now. I'm on number 44-2324, direct referral by city clerk submitting a license application. Okay, anybody want to start us off here? So this has to do with a building request, something else, somebody has to do something to get this license? It's a request to change the premises. So, Vrikes, this is an existence. Gotcha. They're 935 Michigan. They want to use a portion of their building, which is 933 for storage, and they want to add a door between the two. I will make the motion to approve. Second. Upon final building inspection confirmation, the tenant has been removed and connecting ways are probably installed. Second. Okay. Any other discussion on it? All right. All in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. Chair votes aye. Motion passes. That wraps up our agenda. So next meeting date will be October 11th, 2023. Do I have a motion? Oh, that's a good turn. Thank you. All right. And all in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed, nay. All right. We are adjourned.