Hi, it's Brigitte. Welcome to Above Life Channel. The purpose here is to inspire your spirit and to fill you up with hope. Today's channeling is a very good timely channel as we are entering into Mental Health Awareness Month. During the month of May it is an opportunity for all of us to recognize our mental health, which is just as important as our physical health as well, right? And so it's my pleasure to be able to bring forward issues of mental health awareness during this time. With that, I am responding to numerous requests that I've had to channel Chris Cornell in the afterlife. So some of you may recognize that his name, Chris Cornell, he was the frontman, the singer in the band Soundgarden, and he died a very untimely death and there's a lot of question about his passing and so I'm going to chat with him, not to get into the drama, but to recognize the truth and the power of the energy that we as human beings express and feel within ourselves and how our moods, our attitudes, and our mental health impact us as people. They limit us or they can provide us with incredible opportunities for expansion, growth, and happiness. So today I welcome in Chris Cornell. Hi, Chris. Nice to see you. He says, hi, nice to see you, Bridget. He kind of sits across from me at my kitchen table where the magic happens and he puts his hands on the table. He says, nice to see you, Bridget. And it literally feels like we're in a radio, almost like in a radio studio and we're chatting. We're going to have an interview. And so thank you so much. This is a very important time to raise awareness about mental health. And I know that channeling you will help to do that for many, many of the viewers. Now, your death has a lot of components to it. And for many, it's very tragic as you committed suicide by hanging. I know this. This was very public information. And I know that you were being treated for the mental health issue of depression. I believe it was depression. I think it was depression. I don't know that for sure, but we'll find out. Maybe you can clarify that.  So let's let's talk a bit about that. All right. He says, thank you. First of all, this is an important platform.   It's over. It's out kind of energy is what he's making me feel. He says, just because you think you're F'd up in the head, it doesn't mean like all hope is lost. It's not. And so this platform is an opportunity for me to get it into some people's thick heads that it's important to recognize mental health. It's important to recognize when you're not feeling right. And it's important to keep, keep just the tiniest bit of hope alive within you and to keep asking for help, keep reaching out. You're not a burden to the people that love you. You're not a burden. I felt, I felt like my attitude the way that I was feeling, the way that my mind was just f-ing. He's swearing a lot. He's using F word a lot. He's saying f-ing it up. And and just so you guys know, I don't have a problem swearing, but I don't know if YouTube will censor that. I don't know. He's saying just because your mind is F'd up, he says, it doesn't mean you're F'd up. It doesn't mean that everything's totally a loss. But he also says that I felt like I know, I know, he says, I know, I know. And he's very, his hands are very, he's kind of stable, like stagnant, like on the table, like his hands are crossed. He's just on the table and he's talking to me like this. And kind of his hands are very much and it's coming right out kind of from the belly, which is the solar plexus where the spirit chakra is. So he's speaking with soul, like real deep knowing. He wants the vibration to come through and resonance with resonate with you.  I know it affected my family and I know it affected my wife and my my children. He says children, child, I feel like there's one, maybe two. There's two kids involved somehow. One for sure, his and maybe I don't know if there's a stepchild. If there's two kids, I don't know. They're not all that old. It doesn't look like they're that old to me. Just so you guys know. And he says, and my music, my work, my band, he says, you let everyone down.  So it makes the depression energy, the depression even thicker. So, so Chris, it and diagnosis labeling is a necessity. I believe as Bridget, that diagnosis or labeling is a necessity at times because we need to have a multifaceted approach to mental health and wellness. It needs to be healthcare focused as well as counseling focused as well as alternative holistic homeopathy therapies. There needs to be a collaboration approach. There's not just mental health in the traditional physical medical field. There's not just mental health and just counseling. There's, there's so many ways that we can as a unique individuals work on this issue and become better people and a better society. So Chris, tell us about, talk about diagnosis and label. And what would you say that you closely identified with, like you said, your mind was effed up. So what was that for you?  I always just kind of had times when I was real, real low. And I thought it was just kind of a moody part of me. That was just who I was kind of moody. And it made for some really great music. He says, really great song.  I really want to use my hands, but he's not using his hands. But when I talk, I use my hands. You're searching for, for answers. Why? How, how can I, how can I feel better? How can I, why am I in this place? There's got to be a reason, you know, there's got to be a purpose here. It's got to be some kind of meaning in this. And, and you're searching for meaning. And that can create some really great lyrics, great music.   So I don't know what exactly types it was, but like party kind of drugs or rock scene kind of drugs is what he's showing me. He says, but you know, in alcohol, he says alcohol, which is sort of ironic. He says, isn't it? It's kind of ironic that someone who would be depressed would drink alcohol because, as you know, it's a depressant, not a stimulant. But he says, I think it's because your, your body wants to match, it wants some kind of commonality, understanding, it wants to be understood. And so when you feel depressed and you drink, it's not intended to pick you up. It's intended to help you escape. It's intended as an understanding, like the feeling of the alcohol that the alcohol gives you is a feeling that's familiar to you already. And so it comes together and then together there's like this. He says, just like this laid back, kind of flowing feeling. And it's not even a good feeling. It's not even a good state to be in. But it's better than the alternative, which is being really conscious of what you're not understanding, seeing or knowing what you're, what you're. How do you explain this? He says, it's better than the alternative, which was just being in darkness. And being alone. He says, I would describe depression as alone, alone, the darkest you've ever felt. And you're on autopilot most days and you're just numb. And in the days that you're not, you just feel so bad. It's hard for those of you who are watching, you, many of you can relate to this. At some degree, everybody feels depression. This is Chris Cornell saying this, everybody feels depression.  It's, it's like a, it's like an incredible weight or a burden that you carry that you can't explain. You can't, there's, there's not a way to really understand or to share, articulate with others, to explain it to others in a way that they can understand when they don't feel it. And so that creates more distance. And so for, if you, you ask specifically, he says, you ask specifically about diagnosis or label and depression definitely is one of them. But there's, there's another component for me. And that is with the high anxiety. You could explain it kind of as impulsive, almost triggered anxiety, almost like panic attack, but it's, it's sort of like, so he's making me feel like it's sort of like a manic episodes or manic, pranic, manic, like a bipolar, almost it is that more likely he says, yeah, that's right on. He said right on, but he says the, that's how it feels, he says, but that's not what's diagnosed. He says, that's not what's identified right away.  He says it's, it's a mystery. It's mysterious and everybody is affected, impacted differently. And he says, I had very, he's trying to explain like anxiety and depression together, but he said he would have times where he could be super productive and really on, which is almost a manic kind of a thing where you can focus hyper focus and really dig in and be really productive. And during those times he says, I really felt as though I, like this is a place state I want to be in, but it's really not the state you want to be. And if you ask anybody that's, that's has manic episodes or, or bipolar in any way, they would be able to relate to that, that you, you prefer that over the, the heaviness, the, the numbness, the, the extreme disconnect. You prefer the high, higher intensity of energy, but I don't. Okay. So he's making me feel like it wasn't necessarily the bipolar piece, wasn't necessarily diagnosed. And I don't think he was exactly that either. I don't think it was exactly that. I think his depression would go so low and then layered on top of that anxiety and so anxiety. Can you talk about that a little bit? Can you talk a little bit about that labeling or that diagnosis of, of anxiety, like what? So you've, you've done a great job in articulating the feeling of depression energy, but there's this shaking inside this pot bottle, fizzy, caffeinated, constantly feeling that doesn't allow you to relax. That is an anxiety that I can also feel coupled with that. But I'm not sure because surrounding your death, there was definitely some question and concern about the medication that you were then given for the depression energy, the anxiety energy that, I'm sorry, that the anxiety that it created depression. See, I don't know what came first, the chicken or the egg. Was it, did you have anxiety? Were you treated for anxiety? And then it resulted in depression that caused the, the action and the choices to the choice to kill yourself. Or was it depression layered with anxiety, but the depression was the focus for the treatment initially that it created a, because it almost like, it almost looks like it got worse. It had to get worse before it got better. And there's a piece missing, like whatever medication that you were given, I understand that you had a medication. Correct. Yes. He says, yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yes. He said, that's right. That's, that's right. Medication you were given, it's almost like there was another medication that needed to go with it in order for it to be balanced because it was like, it could be a shock to your system otherwise. And people respond very differently biochemically and to medications, especially psychiatric medications. And as we all know, because we've heard about that. And now I think as a fear and a phobia of mental health care and being, being on medication, people are scared of it all of a sudden. And in some cases, yes, there are side effects and extremes. So I can't tell if Chris, your anxiety was first. He says, anxiety, anxiety. Anxiety is bad. He said, anxiety is bad. He said, it's bad. You think it's going to make you productive. And that's the, the anxiety he's addressing with the manic energy. So when I feel the manic, it's the anxiety. And sometimes it pushes you, he says pushes you to do better, be better, because you're constantly alert and you're, you're really hyper aware of everything. And so you can be better with like your music and your, your ability to follow through and to make the connections. But he says, but that only can last so long. And then there's the low and the low is where the baseline he says of depression is.   And so then the depression comes down to meet you in or the anxiety comes down to meet you in the depression state. And it creates a very deep hole. He says it's very deep hole. That's how he's explaining how his experience. This is all over the place. I'm like all over the place on this. He says that he says, Oh, I'm sorry, he says, Oh, I'm sorry, Bridget, that's intended to help you to feel what it feels like. Well, it does not feel easy. It feels extremely challenging for any of you who are watching that are dealing with mental health issues. Just know that please know that you're not alone, even if you feel lonely or alone or disconnected, you are not alone. You're not. Not only do you have people, resources, hotlines, counseling, all sorts of availability of health care providers and resources. And I don't want to hear excuses. Don't give me the read. Oh, I can't afford it. And oh, it's this. There's a 1-800 number free hotlines. There's all sorts of stuff.  I don't need to hear that. And neither do you. There's no reason to be to feel excused because excuses because your healing helpers are right here too. Like God, the universe, creator, source, whatever you believe is a higher power.  And the energy of the depression or the anxiety that you're feeling is simply a tool to inform you of the incredible capacity and the depths of the love and the compassion, the sensitivity that you have. You deserve to feel love, compassion and sensitivity within yourself. And that's the opposite coin of depression and anxiety. Embracing our natural ability as a spirit, as a soul, as an energetic being is the point of our life journey, of the process of being human. And sometimes it can make us crazy. Our minds can create some mental chatter and disconnection. And so we need to actively invite the mind into our human experience and not make it the ego, the villain, but incorporate it into our spiritual awareness, into our energetic flow states. It's a, it's a wholeness approach. So you are not alone. You're not, you're never alone.  You are, you are already all that. And so with this conversation with you, Chris, can you talk a little bit about the medication component? Because my understanding is what I feel, I was really sensitive about doing this channeling with you, Chris, because of the medication component, because I do not want anybody who's watching this, this channeling with Chris Cornell from the afterlife, as we're talking about mental health and medication. I did not want anyone to watch this and take, take away from it that medicine is bad. It is not bad. Medicine is not bad. Nothing is, is be all end all. Nothing is a magic pillar, a magic bullet. However, like I said, it's a collaborative process. It's a body, mind, heart and soul. It's spiritual. It's homeopathic. It's, it's energetic and it's mental and physical. And we have medications for a reason to help support us, but the medications and the diagnosis of what's going on is a mystery. And so you have to find a healthcare provider, a mental healthcare provider that really listens to you and understands what's going on for you, not just here's the canned approach. There's no off the shelf cure for depression, for anxiety, for bipolar disorder, for all of the other kinds of mental health things that we deal with as society, as people. Okay. So medication is not the bad guy. But Chris, I do know that you have a very strong message about that. So would you please share that with us? He says, you can't say medication is good or bad. He said, it's, it's, it's both. He said, and it's neither of those things. He says, in my case, the medication did contribute to my death. It was the direct link to the cause of my death. He says, but it wasn't an overdose situation. It created the energy in my body that allowed for a toxic situation, a toxic level of, he says, a toxic situation to be the outcome. There's pieces now, and there's pieces. Let's try to, he says, the medication levels in my body were toxic for me. It's not that they were inappropriately given to me. It's that the aftercare and the level of my autonomy, he says, my accountability, I could have said something I didn't feel right. As soon as I started taking the medication, I did not feel right. It was not right. And it was like the second or third try. And I just gave up. I didn't want to do it anymore. I didn't want to take the medication. Did you stop taking the medication because you didn't feel right, Chris? Is that what I'm hearing you say? You're saying you started medication. It looks like there was two or three, I don't know if there was two or three tries, different kinds of medication you tried. I don't know, but there's two or three. I see two or three and then or could have been two or three days, two or three days. He's no, he's making me feel like this is the first time that I got this medication. And it didn't work for me. It had the opposite effect is what he's saying. And that can happen. He said, that's why they're side effects. That's why you have to be monitored by a healthcare professional for a provider. He says, but you also have to recognize it for yourself. He says, I did. I recognize I wasn't feeling right. So I stopped, but I didn't, he's telling me I didn't. And that was a problem is what he's saying. That was a problem. It doesn't look like he, I don't know if he didn't tell his doctor, he stopped. Or if he tried to tell somebody, but because of the timing, they didn't get back to him. And it was affecting him so much that he it just made him, it almost looks like he cold turkeyed it and he just couldn't hand his bodies. When get me out of here now. And so he killed himself. And so it is a reaction to medication. But Chris Cornell is also saying, he's also saying that this can be, it can be prevented because it can be managed. He's saying that Chris is saying this can be managed. So do you believe that the medication was the bad thing or like, how could this have changed? How could this have been different? How could this have been different? He says, I could have, I could have advocated more for myself, but he says it's hard to do that when you're in a state of mind where your mind isn't right, you're effed up. He says, so the people around you become your biggest advocates. And at that time, I wasn't even with my wife. I was out, I was out. It looks like he was on the road or something. He wasn't with the people that really knew him, really loved him well. And I see a phone call and then I see something not right and seeming okay, but not totally okay and just kind of starting to say goodbye to let go himself, trying to, starting to decide that I'm done. This is over. And he says, I didn't, he says quite honestly, I didn't want to go through that again. I didn't want to go through this crazy medication bouncy house thing. But he said, if I cared enough about myself and about the life that I was blessed with, he says, the life I was given was a blessing. If I cared enough about myself and my, that life, the value of that life, the quality of it, I would have, maybe I would have recognized. He says, maybe I would have recognized that it was worth it. So did you need medication? He says, yes. There's no, there's absolutely no doubt whatsoever. No wavering energy. He's like, yes, he needed medication. Definitely needed medication. But he didn't have the right medication or the right combination of medication and he knew it. He could feel his body.  This is a great message. He could feel his body reacting not well. Then then you need to be contacting your doctor. Then you need to be talking to somebody 24 seven. Then you need to not be alone at all. Like even just to go to bed in a hotel room or what have you. You need to be with people that can help you get through that. And don't detox yourself. Do it with a healthcare professional. Maybe even talk to a natural pathic doctor, a homeopathy person.  Our bodies are all different, you guys.  I think you were married. It was either a wife or a partner, a long time partner. It's a woman who has a baby, a child of yours, at least one child of yours. And she's like, she knew, she just knew she knew something wasn't right. She knew you were off for a day or two. She knew it and maybe the guilt or the blame that she carries for herself maybe can be cleared through this contact and this conversation. Personal accountability and empowerment is so key and it's really difficult when our minds are not really running the show, not really all together and not really on board with the overall of what's going on. This is why you guys, it's not just, we don't just move through our human life with our physical bodies and our mind, we have an energetic component to us, which is our heart, our emotions, which connect us to the mind. They are messengers for us and our spirits. And so the heart is in between the mind and the soul in your physical body on purpose. It's an in between negotiator, a messenger. It's a beautiful connected place that gives us so much information about ourselves and we have got to stand in our power of our emotions in our spirit and our mood and our attitude. We've got to stand in the power of that. Even when we feel powerless, we have to find the power and sometimes it requires leaning on our friends, our families, telling them things that we know that is going to be difficult for them to hear, that you're suffering or you're struggling, but it's going to be better than the alternative, which is losing you and having to go to somebody like Bridget, like me and contact them in the afterlife. You don't want to have to have a medium to help your family understand why you left this planet, why you took your own life or to understand what you were going through after the fact. You've got to be able to get the support structures and systems in place that you need. And they're already here, your angels, your guides, your human friends, whether they're online friends or in-person friends, everybody has family that they can rely upon.  And we know that word for Freddie Mercury, too, don't we? Chris Courtault just went, Freddie, yes, Freddie Mercury, yes. And then Chris just got out of guitar and it's red with a little bit of black on it and then it's got white in the center. He just gets out of guitar. Now, I'm assuming did you play guitar? He must have. I don't really know.  I don't really know a lot about Song Garden. I don't really know a lot about Chris Cornell. And so I don't know. I'm assuming because I can see it. So there we go. All right. Thank you so much, Chris, for being here, for bringing up this very important topic. Lots of information shared, lots of information shared. And for you who are watching, if you are in a state where you know that your mental health is not in alignment for you, reach out, get some assistance. If it's in the early stages, you can check out, you know, do some things with natural pathic medicine or do some things to help your body, your chi, your prana, you know, maybe yoga, maybe alternative therapies like chiropractic care or energetic response therapies that may actually help to get your energy flowing. So your mood just feels better. Maybe you need some supplements. Maybe you need a better diet. You know, a lot of stuff that we do we take in our sugars and our, our excess carbohydrates and our caffeine, which I do have. Actually, I don't know if this is caffeine. I don't think it is. It's actually a natural based coffee. So it's different, a little bit different. But the things that we take in really do express in our feelings and our emotions and our bodies. Our bodies give us so much information.  So start listening to your body and allow yourself to make healthier choices for your life. That's how it starts. And if you're in a state where you need a counselor, go get one, a licensed clinical social worker, a social worker is a great counselor. If you don't want to go to a psychologist or you're not in a state where you want to go to a psychiatrist or there are a lot of programs through employee assistance programs with employers that you can go confidentially, you can look on your benefits package or on your employer website to find information about free counseling services often will be offered. And online, there are 1-800 numbers, crisis hotlines that you can call even if you're not in the depth of crisis, but you're not sure where to go when you need some resources. You can also refer to your local agency. So you might have a human service agency or a county government agency that you can look up online or find a phone number for that can give you access to mental health care resources. Sometimes public health organizations in your local county or city can offer those kinds of services to you as well. Also there's support groups, there's churches, there's religious organizations that provide support groups like AA or Teen Al-Anon, for example. So there is a structure already. You don't have to create one.  So this is Bridget, thank you so much for being here at Above Life Channel for this very important channeling message with Chris Cornell in the afterlife. Remember the purpose here is to inspire your spirit to give you hope because this is your life. This is your life. So live it, oh just live it. Thanks for watching.


Good afternoon everyone. I'm Kranti. My project is a smart IOT for tracking pure levels and applying digital intelligence. I'm Kranti from the National Institute of Technology Balangu, India. I'm doing my final year in competition. I'm an undergrad. So what am I working on? Digital background. So in 2011 or so, when I was back to home from my college, my mom asked me to book a cylinder. So in developing countries, we used grass cylinders for cooking like LPG. So I had to go to an office, book a cylinder, and we had to wait for seven days to get the cylinder. So by that time, we are low on fuel. So I found this problem interesting, and it motivated me to work on this. So last year, I took up this and worked on. So it's still a pressing problem in Indian subcontinent. If you take like India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, where they use LPG as the cylinder for cooking. So what is the main problem? The three factors. One is gas level indicator to know when you're running out of fuel and pre-ordering so that you can order in prior and get the cylinder in time. And on the vendor side, availability and on problems during search. So during festivals, people cook more and there are not a cylinders and even hotels, they have a lot of search. So vendors will get out of the store. So process how I've tried to attempt to solve this problem. So discover, I went down to the vendor, asked what the problem is, figured out a few steps, and then interpreted it, went to my mom, talked about what all happens in the kitchen, and ideated with my friends, experimented, tried out my hardware knowledge and some software, and then evolved into some prototype product. The solution is, this is my experiment. So you can see a load sensor here. There is a Raspberry Pi and also a GSM module. And we have a PCB, which is custom made. And this usually, this basically does your Raspberry Pi collects the data, it's posed to our server. Our server will then analyze and notifies the user. So features include pure level indication. It has an LED built in and also it pulls data to the server. So you can use your web app APIs to build your web application of mobile applications and social network integration.  So notify the user with recives based on the cooking fuel level. Maybe this is too a bit of feature to be given, but I thought, including that, when I'm shipping a pattern system and an inventory management system and also a daily usage analytics for the vendor. And this is our final stage of the product. It's the PCB still being shrinked so that we can develop that into your product and set it off. We are backed by Hylian Ventures and we got a second place in the School of Business Management project and a TEP program. And this is our web service, which is still being built. So that is being open sourced. You can find it at this address and you can send me any patches. It's still being very near. We have been working from just two months. So yeah, thanks. Any questions? Special thanks to Polysia and Open Hardware Community, Python, GitHub. All the tools we use, it's a totally open source and slides which I use, it's from SlideCannibal and photographs from Unsplash. Thank you.


This week on The Anxious Truth, we're talking about mindset, survival mindset, or defiant mindset. It makes a difference in the way you interact with your anxiety, panic, fear, and uncertainty. And as we have this discussion, if you're not sure what a defiant mindset looks like, I direct your attention to the fight scene from Rocky III, where Rocky takes on Clubber Lang, and what I think is a textbook example of what a defiant mindset really looks like. Oh, no, no, no, he's not getting killed, he's getting mad! Hello everybody, welcome back to The Anxious Truth. This is episode number 222 that is so going to get demonetized on YouTube, because I used clips and parts of the soundtrack from Rocky III. But, hell, I felt like being creative on a Sunday morning, so here we are. Plus, I think it helps illustrate the lesson of this week's podcast, which is all about mindset and specifically a defiance mindset. So before we get into that, if you are new here and just stumbled into the podcast on my YouTube channel, welcome, I am Drew Lincellata, creator and host of The Anxious Truth. This is the podcast that covers all things, anxiety, anxiety disorders, and anxiety recovery. I hope you find the material here and in all of the podcast episodes helpful and useful. And if you are a returning listener or viewer, then hell, welcome back, I'm always glad you guys are here. So today we're going to talk about anxiety mindset, specifically survival mindset versus defiance mindset. You guys might be thinking mindset, since when does Drew talk about that? Drew never talks about mindset, and that's true. If you follow the podcast or read any of my writing, you've seen me literally like say, no, no, no, this is not a mindset problem. And I'm sticking to that. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. This is not a mindset problem. Even though we're going to talk about that today, it still doesn't mean that recovery is a mindset problem. I don't like mindset because it's been sort of distorted and twisted by the sort of self-development and personal development and self-help gurus on the internet. And mindset is important, yes, but in the case of a disordered anxiety, we form such a maladaptive relationship with our thoughts and our feelings and our emotions that this is definitely not a mindset problem, right? We're not just going to change our mindset and somehow get better, so just be aware of that. But like it or not, we all do have a mindset toward our anxiety. Like we just can't help it. That's what human beings do. We'll create a mindset. You can call it anything you want. Call it a framework or a conceptualization, a platform that we stand on. It doesn't really matter, but we have one. You have one. And it does influence the way we interact with anxiety, fear, and discomfort. That is 100% true. You really can't deny that. And I think this mindset is formed over time. It's based on experiences. It's based on how we interpret them. It's based on our own beliefs about ourselves and our competencies and our weaknesses and our flaws and our courage and about the way we view the world in general. So a lot goes into that, right? And to a certain extent, our anxiety mindset does influence the way we approach anxiety, panic, fear, discomfort, uncertainty when they pop their heads up, when they make an appearance, right? So we got to deal with it to a certain extent. And this week we're going to do that. And I know that just to clarify the mindset thing and why this is not really an episode about changing your mindset to get better. And that's because, you know, that word gets warped and twisted, like I said. And in a situation where you are in the grips of disordered anxiety, which is internally generated anxiety, and it's based on how you feel or what you think or what your body is doing, that the threat comes from inside you, we have a little bit of a problem in that we get very overly and maladaptively attached to our own thoughts and our emotions and our feelings and what our bodies are doing. So really the recovery process is about learning to take a step back from that. That's really true. So it's not about thinking more or changing the way we think. I'm not going to teach you how to change the way you think today about anxiety. It's not it at all. But we got to be careful about that. So this is not about somehow magically coming to a new way to think about it, because we don't want to think more really, not that we could stop thinking, but we're going to maybe conceptualize our actions a little bit differently. And I know this is like super subtle and nuanced, but just bear with me. It is difficult to describe in words, but I think you guys are going to get it, right? So why am I using the word mindset this week? Like I said, because it can be useful sometimes if we think of it as a conceptualization, a jumping off point and something that we can use to inform our actions. So let me give you a little example of how mindset can matter without actually being like the primary mover and driver in a situation. So let's say that you have a party coming up and you get to the party and you say to yourself, I knew this party was going to suck. This is terrible. They are always terrible. I never have a good time. Why did it even bother coming? Nobody's doing anything. This is no fun. I am out of here. So that might be one mindset toward that party. The other mindset or conceptualization of the party that you might have could be very different. And that might be like, well, I didn't really want to come to this party. I'm skeptical about it. You know, I kind of always am. And it is pretty dull. It's starting pretty slowly here. But I see that the band is about to start playing. There are more people arriving. They're bringing the food out. I see a couple of my friends just walking the door. Maybe I can hang in there a little bit and maybe it'll get better. And who knows, I might wind up having a fun time in the end. Right. And in that mindset is very different. Right. That conceptualization of the party. Now, it's not literally what you're thinking about. The party is not literally changing the world in some way.  You knew it and it's not worth staying. So boom, you're out of the party. But is that automatically true? That's not necessarily automatically true. Right. So you make a little space for reality to prove us wrong to a certain extent. In the second case, you can see that you're not really enjoying the party yet, but you're willing to entertain the idea that it could change because I can see signs of change around me. So emotionally, I might not be a big party person and I might hate the fact that I'm at this party, but I can use my mindset to say, well, let me let reality chime in here and I can see a couple of my friends walked in and the band is about to start up and this might get better. So in this situation, you will stay at the party and it still might suck, but you at least have a chance of maybe having a good time. Right. So see how your mindset can make a difference because it will inform your actions. First mindset completely and utterly, I'm out of here. You leave the party. Second mindset, I'll give it a chance and you stay. Now, again, maybe it'll suck or maybe you'll have a great time, but you don't have a chance to have a great time if you run out. So that's why mindset sort of matters here. Now, in the case of anxiety and anxiety recovery, let's talk about two different types of mindset or conceptualization of the problem, if you will. The first one is a survival mindset. This is the mindset that basically is prevalent in the beginning for pretty much everybody, right? So as an anxiety disorder takes hold and starts to worsen and kind of get, you know, get bad, as your life becomes more and more dictated by our anxiety and more and more limited by it, you, most everybody winds up in a survival mindset. This is 100% normal and to be expected. There's nothing wrong with you if you're in this mindset. In a survival mindset, you basically see your anxiety as something that's stalking you. It's a monster. It's external. It's attacking you. When it happens, you feel like you get overwhelmed. You're completely powerless. You can't do anything about this. This happens over and over and over. There's nowhere to turn. There's nothing I can do to stop it. It's terrible.  You just devours you completely. When it happens, you see yourself at its mercy. And the best you could do is sort of hope and pray that it does not completely ravage and destroy you every single time. Right? It's important to recognize that every single time this is the way you view it. Here is this horrible thing that I am powerless over. And I'm just going to grit my teeth and hope that I make it through this time. That cycle repeats and repeats and repeats. You go into anxious situations just hoping and like trying desperately to hang on and just survive to get through it. I hope I make it this time just so you can kind of live to fight another day and repeat that cycle. And in the survival mindset, your expectations are pretty low. You're just trying to make it. And really, there's not a whole lot of room for, you know, a positive outlook there. Like your expectations are low. Your output, your outlook in terms of improvement is pretty dim at that point. And that makes sense. I get that. And again, I cannot repeat enough that this mindset is something that almost everyone dealing with an anxiety disorder either starts in or goes through at some point. I was in that mindset for quite some time. That is exactly how I conceptualized my panic attacks, my agoraphobia, my depression, my intrusive thoughts. Like that's the way I saw it. It was, it was not good, right? So if that sends familiar to you, know that it doesn't indicate, if you're in survival mindset, this is not an episode about which one is better or like how to just be a badass is nothing to do with that. But just know that if you're in survival mindset right now, that's really normal. It doesn't mean that you're weak or that there's something wrong or you're like lacking in character or you're not a badass. It doesn't mean that you're beyond hope or you can't get better. I promise it doesn't mean that. All it really means is like everybody else at some point in this journey, you're confused, you're afraid, you're feeling powerless, you're feeling frustrated. The survival mindset, it's like to be expected. It happens to everybody. It's really important for me to say that. I know that this is one of the reasons why I hate talking about mindset because a lot of times you will find that the army of life coaches and consultants or whatever they are out there that is giving you like, well, this is the right mindset and this is the wrong mindset to have. Well, in this situation, we're only talking about one that maybe fosters moving in the direction toward recovery and one that doesn't, but not because one is right and wrong. These are both sort of natural states that people naturally get in and out of during the recovery process, right?  It has nothing to do with that at all. And so be aware of that as we continue to talk here. So the defiance mindset on the other side is something that takes a while to get to, right? So some people can get to it sooner than others. That's true. But it's very, very rare that somebody comes into like the community, say surrounding the podcast here and immediately can develop a defiant mindset. It's very, very rare. I'm not sure I could think of a time when that happened to be completely honest with you. It takes repeated experiences. It takes time and I'll explain that in a second. But one of the things that are sort of underneath the, whereas maybe the survival mindset is based on powerlessness, hopelessness, feelings of weakness, feeling out of control.  That's when you start to develop the ability to get into that defiant mindset. So you need repeated experiences and that's why this usually takes some time because the repeated experiences tell us that no matter what it feels like, no actual harm has ever been done. Like we need to have those repeated experiences because if we take the simple example, say a panic attacks, people that have panic attacks and start to avoid them and retreat and maybe develop agoraphobia because of it, they're truly believed that, no, this is the right thing to do. I have to retreat from this. I have to save myself from this. But after a while, after enough experience that whether it's a panic attack or whether it's intrusive thoughts that make you think you're going to do something or that they're predicting something about the world, and it isn't ever true, just uncomfortable and really scary and difficult, you start to, and the logical part of your brain, and you know what, if the logical part of our brains could run the show all the time, I wouldn't have to have this podcast, we know that.   That was me.  When I say kill me, I'm talking about that feared outcome. At some point, our anxious brains are still afraid, but our logical brains say, yeah, but I'm starting to see here that everybody's right, this isn't going to kill me. Right? So you kind of start to get that, those experiences start to inform that logical conclusion that, yeah, I guess it's really not going to kill me.  So some of the statements that we hear that indicate the beginning of a defiant mindset is, I know I'm okay, but I just can't seem to face it.  Like, you start to hear frustration in people's voice and statements like that are sort of common precursors to the defiant mindset in my view, by the way. Other statements that let you know that defiance is starting to bubble in their revolver on themes of anger or impatience, resentment toward the anxiety and fear. Sometimes you're resentful toward yourself for sort of being in the situation, but you're really start to feel anger and impatience and resentment and sort of aggressive emotions or feelings toward the anxiety itself. You start to really hate it. Like, you begin to really hate it. We always hate it. Don't get me wrong. The person who has a panic attack for the first time hates that, but you begin to hate it as if it's an enemy or a person that you just want to punch in the face.  Like, then you start to feel that the defiance begins to bubble up a little bit. You maybe start to become a little bit resentful over the loss of time or opportunities. I started to get really resentful toward the anxiety because it was crushing my business and my livelihood, which was impacting everything else, you know, my family and whatnot, finances. So that was a place where defiance started to build up, right? And the best way I could think of to describe this is you spend almost as much time sort of shaking your fist and anxiety as you do being afraid of it or worrying about it or looking for it or trying to get away from it. Like you start to see like anger and frustration starts to express just as much as fear does. So now you are in a situation where you can begin to sort of tap into that defiant mindset, but at some point you have to make a choice to actually explore defiance as an approach, right? So you can start to feel those emotions bubble up and that gives you that place where, okay, maybe I can start to tap into this. And we've talked about this in different podcast episodes and in the social media community surrounding the podcast. We've talked about that. Sometimes anger is not a bad thing because we can use it to motivate us. We could tap into that. We could tap into anger. We could tap into frustration. We could tap into resentment sometimes. And that's sort of where the defiant mindset comes from. But to me, I think at some point you make a conscious choice to say, you know what, this thing has never killed me and now I'm going to tap into my anger, my frustration, and my resentment. And I'm going to use it to start to change, not so much change my actions, but bolster the actions that I'm taking, like sort of increase my level of courage and my willingness to go into these scary and uncomfortable situations. So when you start to have that defiant mindset, you start to feel a little bit more brave. You're still afraid. Don't get me wrong. You're still afraid. But you start to feel a little bit more brave and you start to feel a little bit more willing to go into these things as opposed to begrudgingly do it. Oh my God, I have to do this again. You start to realize, no, no, no, no, no. I'm done with this. Let's go do this now. You know, I'm done living this way. Let's go do it good this way. So remember, you're still going to be afraid and you're tired of being afraid, but you're willing to start to accept this change that has to happen and you're willing to do the things a little bit more that you need to do to break the cycle. You're still challenged, 100%, still challenged. It's not like defiant mindset suddenly, ooh, anxiety went away because I'm defiant. It doesn't work that way. But you have the ability to rise to these challenges in a little bit of a new way and then they become more productive experience. And this is the point where you start to really find true acceptance and surrender and tolerating or floating or whatever words you like to use. You can start to find that there. So I'm going to make a statement here that a lot of people sometimes don't understand. Again, these are hard things to put into words because there's a certain amount of emotion in here.  I don't know if you can hear it in my voice. I can still feel that bubbling in me. Hitting those moments of more and more saying you are going to have to come and take me effing out of this game because I am not doing this with you anymore. I got so angry and so frustrated that I began to be really defiant when it came to anxiety.  And that's the moment that I feel like I sort of shifted from a survival mindset anxiety mindset to a defiant anxiety mindset.  And it comes from in my bones that statement. I truly meant that and I still do to this day. So now the confusing part is that a lot of people think, oh, well, this means that I now I'm a warrior. Like now I'm going to go and kill this thing. Like, no, that wasn't it at all. And interestingly, I didn't particularly make that mistake but I think it just was the amount of work I had done and preparation I was doing kind of led me to this. But being defiant and adopting a defiance mindset does not mean that you start fighting. Let's sink in for a second. A defiant mindset does not mean that you begin to fight your anxiety. You do not ever fight it. We never fight it. We're not trying to stop it. We're not trying to crush it. We're not trying to kill it. We're not trying to run over it. We're not trying to do any of those things.  That's not it at all. If you want to talk about like use that sort of aggressive overtone that comes with the word defiance, you can become sort of a defiant warrior. But being a defiant warrior means that you understand that the only way to win the war is that you don't fight it. You let your opponent show you that it cannot defeat you. There's a difference. I'm not trying to vanquish my opponent.  So now I'm going to have to act like it's true. And you see how the defiant mindset starts to make a difference. There's there's no tensing. There's no bracing. There's no I'm not throwing punches at it. I'm not taking a flamethrower to it. I'm not doing any of those things. There's that's not part of defiance mindset. So when I got into that mindset for me when I when I experience anxiety or panic and this is true today as same as it was back then when I was doing the bulk of my recovery work. When I would go out and do my exposures and anxiety and panic would come and get me or I was having like rapid fire intrusive thoughts that were really difficult. I was still doing the same things that I had been doing. I was relaxing my body. I was like letting go of the tension. I was trying to put my focus somewhere else. I was trying to engage with the world instead of with the fear directly. I was doing all of the things that I talked about all the time just that I was doing them as an as acts of defiance as opposed to acts of survival. So I often use the word navigation right and we know that these like sort of recovery skills are acts of navigation not eradication. But I was no longer passively navigating. I wasn't just trying to get through and I think here's where the big difference is a lot of people's survival mode survival mindset means I'll use all the tools so that I can just get through it. For me these became acts of defiance.  Like I know I you know I'm trying to keep a family friendly here as best as I can. But that was literally my mindset in those moments was I am going to rag doll this because but rag doll doesn't seem like a thing a warrior does but it really was an act of defiance. So figuratively speaking and in some cases really physically my posture often changed as well when when I am in that complete acceptance surrender let it come and kill me I am doing that with my chest up my shoulders back and my chin out like there is an act of there is a defiant spirit in those actions which seem like passive actions but I swear to you that to me they become more active in voice even though they're passive I'm not I'm trying to not do things and just let stuff happen around me and to me there was still more of an active measure there than just passive passivity so those all of those things that we talk about surrender and acceptance and floating and allowing and tolerating it became a defiant willingness to let it come and kill me and not done from a place of weakness at all all done from a place of what I felt was strength and resolve so when I relax my body and I completely let go and I allow panic to reach its peak that is an act of pure defiance come and get me I know you can't right so see how there's no fight yet it begins to feel like a fight these are such difficult things to express verbally because they're oxymorons they're counterintuitive it doesn't make a lot of sense but I'm hoping I'm explaining it well the defiant mindset changed change the color of what my navigation through anxiety and panic and fear and intrusive thoughts and scary things look like it colored it in a different light so the best way I can think of the describe it in the end is that a defiant mindset means you still do the same things that you've been trying to do but now you do them as you are intentionally standing straight up you're dropping your guard if we bring it back to the silly boxing rocky thing from the beginning of the episode I am you are literally standing straight up putting your chest out and dropping your guard and letting your opponent you know clock you with a right cross to the chin because you know that you might wind up on your rear end on the canvas but you also know that you're going to get right up from that it cannot knock you out it cannot win the fight it cannot take you out of that ring it might put you on your butt for a couple minutes but you're going to get up and you're going to keep moving forward and here's the best part about it when we do that and you take that hit to the chin clubber Lang man in Rocky three bam like a sledgehammer and Rocky goes down but he gets back up and sooner or later clubber ran out of gas and that's what happens try to take me out hit me and then it does and you may wind up on your butt but then you get right back up and when you get up the other guy anxiety your opponent in the fight if you will air quotes fight is now hunched over gasping for air at a juice he has to recharge he cannot throw any more punches because that's the physiology of panic like he's going to recharge at some point and you might have to go through it again but in that moment you took the hardest shot and you got up and you kept walking and now he is just hunched over and gasping for air and trying to pick his hands up again to hit you can't and then you walk away and to me because I'm a smart ass I always visualize like I'm walking away from this you are hunched over you are gassed and sweating you cannot throw another punch because you are spent and you still couldn't take me out you still couldn't take me out that I am laughing at you as I walk away from you and I know we will meet again tomorrow or maybe later today but it's just going to happen again in the same exact way you will not take me out that is a defiant mindset but you have to be willing to let your repeated experiences where you don't die you don't go crazy you don't pass out you don't fall over you don't lose your whole family like all of those things you have to let that be true because it really was right if you're not willing to accept those lessons and so much of this stuff I've done podcast episodes in that are you willing to accept the lessons of exposure are you willing to let reality be reality and when you begin to let those things pile up and you are beginning to at least accept well maybe it is true maybe I could take a leap of faith there's still courage in here there's still a leap of faith all the principles still apply but now you begin to approach these activities in a defiant way I am done with you anxiety you better take my ass out of this game permanently or I'ma get up laugh at you and walk away when you hit me see the difference there and I know silly rocky analogies some of you are not even old enough to know the rocky films but if you go to the show notes for this podcast episode which could be at the anxioustruth.com slash 222 because this is episode 222 I'll insert a youtube clip that shows you the fight and you'll get an idea of what it looks like it's a dumb movie the rocky movies are silly they're good like Sunday afternoon in the winter if you run across them you watch them but it does illustrate what I'm talking about here in a way you know rocky is right up in clubbers face and he's come on champ knock me out you ain't so bad you ain't so bad that that is a defiant mindset man and it can really change things in a big way it does not solve the problem by itself it does not magically make your anxiety go away it doesn't magically make you unafraid it doesn't magically make you a mad ass warrior that runs over anxiety but it does make you stand up a little taller make you a little more willing to have those experiences make you a little more open to them make you a little more open to the lessons and you can tap into the victory afterwards again you failed you didn't take me out you loser and by loser I mean I'm talking to anxiety I'm beginning to taunt it poke it I'm not fighting it not throwing punches at it every time it fails to take me out which is every time I'm going to poke it a little bit and taunt it a little bit and it makes me feel more and more capable and it makes me feel like I do have agency I do have control I do have power the defiant mindset is part of that it's part of the lesson so that is my rant that went on for way longer than I thought it would I'm back to a 28 minute podcast episode I hope you guys hung in there because it took a while to get going but I think this is really important the defiant mindset and adopted to a certain extent when you're ready for that it can help you turn the corner when you think maybe you have been stuck and in the end the defiant mindset allows us to understand that every time we have experiences like this we didn't just survive we prevailed and in that moment where we realize I prevailed in this moment I didn't just survive that's a huge lesson and those are the lessons that get us where we want to be and there you go that is episode 222 on the defiant mindset you know the episode is over because music that is afterglow by my buddy Ben Drake it is the song that you hear at 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Yeah, welcome to politics for the people we changed the name of the show from American finding its way We didn't want to confuse it with with Tim Apichella show on Wednesday So we changed the name to politics for the people on Thursday But the same show as before and Tim Apichella joins us. So does Winston Welsh today. Welcome to the show you guys Good morning. Thank you, Jake Our title is peril by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa a very Important interesting well-written well-reported books. What does it teach us about Trump? And there are revelations in that book as have been revealed not only in reading the book which is on Amazon I bought it this morning but also in the various interviews these guys have had with various Cable reporters and it's really important that we understand that and the public understands what these Revelations are but Tim What are the dots to connect? There are so many things that happen including the revelations But not limited to the revelations in the book. Can you connect some dots for us and show us the context? Sure. Thanks, Jay. Good morning. Hey, um, you know, I think we have to look at all this the separate intersections where Donald Trump or his directed aides attempted to Overturn this election or or taint the election before the election took place So without any particular order, let me just kind of go down to talk about the dots Remember we had the big one which was Donald Trump's call to Ukraine President Zelensky Trying to get him to initiate a an investigation to Joe Biden and that of course prompted his first impeachment Then we had throughout the election period Donald Trump saying it's fraudulent and if I lose it's only because it's fraudulent There's no way I can lose if I do it's fraudulent and then remember he he had a postmaster de joy Slow down the mailing system to dismantle sorting machines and take mailing boxes out of communities So that for the purpose of slowing down bit mail-in ballots that possibly wouldn't be Arrived in time and counted as as a legitimate vote We then have election night and about 2 30 in the morning Donald Trump declared himself the winner and he said I'm the winner and this thing is changing and it's it's it's the biggest fraud against America That started really off the the the the intense claim that this election was fraudulent Then we move fast forward to December 15th where he had the Department of Justice Rosen come into his office And he said I want you to set up Legal briefs to support my lawsuits that are going before federal judges And then he also wanted a separate special investigation to look into the Dominion voting machines And to basically try to prove that they were fraudulent and switch votes to Joe Biden December 18th 2020 Trump calls in Michael Flynn and Sydney Pound they go over a strategy on how to seize the voting machines And maybe declare martial law December 22nd Mark Meadows chief of staff for Donald Trump He goes down to Cobb County, Georgia And he wants to see what's going on and they refuse to let him in because they're trying to certify signatures in a You know a secluded room. He then goes meets with Francis Watson Who is the election head investigator in Georgia and lo and behold the next day on December 23rd Donald Trump calls her and Basically says you have the most important job to do and when your right comes you'll be praised So he was asking her to you overthrow the ballots in Georgia Donald went Trump on December 27th called Rosen again And he's this is the one he said just say the election with corrupt and then leave the rest to me and the Republican congressman a Pivotable moment in Donald Trump's fingerprint on how he's trying to overthrow the election Then we go to the big one January 5th where Donald Trump is in the room with Mike Pence and he's basically saying you have the power to reject all these fraudulent chosen electors and The rest which is a detailed in the book Parallel the biggest quid pro quo ever known and that is Overturn the election electors and I'll be your friend and if you don't do it. I don't want to be your friend So these are just some of the data points where Donald Trump has overtly either through his aides or Agency has or himself has gone above and beyond the call of duty of trying to reverse a Democratic election we go from there. Okay, let's go from there Winston, you know Some some things that Trump did were fair aggressive, maybe but fair Some of them were unfair And too aggressive Some of them were unfair and illegal much too aggressive Some were unfair and you know downright outrageous and illegal and Some were clearly an effort to throw over the whole system not parts of it, but the whole system so my question to you is How do you take the dots that Tim referred to that he mentioned and that he mentioned by by reference? How do you characterize them was was this a coup? Was it something other than a coup taken together? Is it a coup taken separately? Is it a coup? What is it? Well, I don't think that Donald Trump or his supporters would consider it to be a Coup attempt they were just trying to right the wrong that had been thrust upon them with fake ballots and And and dead people voting and all the things that were claimed which of course is as even his own Attorney general who was solidly in his quarter said there is Nothing to support any allegations of massive voter fraud anywhere and these elections are sound and Then resigned shortly thereafter because he didn't want to be caught in all this fallout You know, Jay The thing was we knew what was happening before any of this because he already told us if I don't win It's fake election. So we already had the outcome of what his plan was going to be it was just a now a matter of Seeing because we are a legalistic society seeing where this system could be tripped up To try and get into some legal loopholes that might have stopped this thing And try to stay in office try to take over the government as President when in fact he didn't win and knew it. We all knew it The question is whether that's a coup and if it wasn't a coup before the insurrection was the insurrection a coup Well, I mean a lot of people would certainly label it a You know plans for that it didn't happen obviously because Joe Biden is in Office and I think probably a number of people finally had to sit and maybe I maybe Ivanka or for Jared sat down with him and said sir, it's it's over You need to leave you can you can still carry on from from Florida or wherever you want to carry on from but right now you need to leave and And in fact, that's exactly what's happened There's been no repercussions really to any bun and and there won't be there won't be that the Q and on shaman You know he he's played this essentially insanity that he joined the cult and that's about all that we've heard There will be other people that maybe Have some repercussions, but I don't see it out there and it's not It it's scary for what's coming up in in 2022 or 24 when the stage is being set to already have this and mass but You know if I didn't read the poll this morning that said that 51% of Americans thought that Donald Trump had did a better job as president right now Joe Biden It's having a terrible week, but we have to think back. This is This is This is sort of a mass hypnosis about the truth of what happened I mean even if you take this awful example of the Haitians on the border in Texas and all of that and the Incredible photo you have on horseback. This is a fiasco, but Immigration a mess, but even then do we're forgetting that that the past president she media past president Was talking about putting alligators and votes On the on the border People forget so Tim you were shaking your head.  Yeah, I have to disagree with my good friend Winston on this one I think there is a basis for someone with standing to challenge Donald Trump in the 14th amendment paragraph 3 I think there's enough data points of evidence to be called together and have a very clear pattern That Donald Trump proactively worked to overturn a democratic election That alone should be enough to disbar him from public office in the future Whether he gets criminally charged or or not. I think Winston's correct, but I don't think this The findings that the select committee in the House of Representatives will come up with in that report plus all these data points and all the testimonies That's going to be hopefully obtained through subpoenas I think we'll have a clear picture on just how effective he was or not effective But how close he came to overturning a democratic 2020 presidential election so The 14th amendment section 3 constitutional provision is undoubtedly going to have to be interpreted in court It's not self-executing doesn't happen by itself Somebody is going to have to mount the lawsuit or Donald Trump will not lead for sure voluntarily So that'll go to the supreme court. How confident are you that the federal court system? Which is bristling with his appointees most if not all of whom are completely political And selected on the basis of loyalty rather than confidence How confident are you about the political system that would interpret? The 14th amendment section 3 Well, that's a great question Jay because we just saw a Roe v. Wade Being ignored by the supreme court probably out of political consideration So your question is well-founded and so to answer it. I'd say it's a 50-50. It's a twin cost So, you know one thing one thing that troubles me about your question Winston Is that we were all here including, you know, the blue the red the republicans the democrats through Trump's administration And if that poll reads out at 51 thinking Trump did a good job They were sleeping at the stick Because it's not a question. Well, I guess it is a question of comparison But the fact is it much if not all of the problems that biden is having Were were laid in his time bombs and booby traps by trump as part of trump's legacy And then trump is the complainer in in chief. He's always, you know, he and his friends are always criticizing biden for everything including things that biden has no responsibility about So, um, you know, they've they've been sleeping at the switch somehow if they vote 51 But here's my question to you Just suppose They connected the dots the way tim has Just suppose they get on, uh, kindle and order the book What is it? peril by by woodward and and costa And read it and begin to understand the the dots and the connection And the people involved all around trump all the things he did Do you think the 51 percent would change then for me? I don't I don't think so. I think that People have very short attention spans. Do you remember what the big topic was two weeks ago? Afghanistan Afghanistan how It's not even in the papers So, uh, because you have a steel trap mind you can remember that for the rest of us You know, even the uh, you know, I I mean it's it's We we forget the daily hours hourly onslaught that we had to endure and so You know While joe biden isn't there wagging his finger at macron and you know telling him some choice words in french um Instead of saying, you know what we really do need to consult with our allies You're important to us and we messed up on this one. He's eating crow just because uh, You know somebody made some missteps underneath them. He deals with things differently It does it he's a sane rational competent human being in office and because we've had someone who rants and raves and storms about and throws things That's much more entertaining The fact that we've come to equate that with presidential is um a little bit disconcerting and and scary Because there was nothing presidential about that And I think we need to harken back to a time where the president is is a person who is respected by The majority of the population who is who carries The command of the office. I think joe biden does that that poll didn't say Do you do you respect joe biden in office? Just so which one did you like more something along those lines? or Maybe it was who who seemed more presidential whatever it was. It's disconcerting, but I think joe biden does have respect of of people But again, we're at a 50 50 in the in the senate This information from costa's book. It's all you know Pressuring the secretaries of state pressuring the state legislatures trying to get the courts to overturn Uh trying to get mike penns to overturn um, and then and then the The january 6th, you know mom as the atlantic uh lays out very well None of this is going to really have any effect right now joe biden's job is as I've said before just a poor baking soda all over the nation because it's been on fire And he needs to calm people down. He needs to get us back to some norms Some regular behavior And it may be boring it might not be exciting to have someone not kicking and screaming and throwing things and calling people names But you know what that's what a mature saying responsible adult does and that's what the leader of the free nation does Tim I want to ask you about the rule of the press in this, you know, I mean to my observation They have me for about three hours a day No kidding and I find that the first hour is good the second hour repeats the first hour and the third hour repeats the second hour Is there not enough news? Why aren't they covering The important things the kinds of things we cover. I'm sorry that we cover right here Instead they spend in ordered amounts of time on precious stories stories of Local crime stories of I don't know all kinds of things They're not as important to the continuation of the country Um, and I think they look for raw meat And if it's raw meat if somebody throws a some raw meat down they all go for it And they forget about doing what you did connecting the dots So the public is suggestible And the public buys the raw meat and the public doesn't suggest the dots Do you place blame on the media for the fact that people feel that trump did a job that was better than by Yes, I do Also, I place blame on those federal agencies that are allowing the reporting of lies and misinformation particularly about covid vaccines and and cures um This is irresponsible media reporting and our government agencies seem to be letting this go with Unchecked and yet their purpose is to make sure that these things are checked You know, you mentioned raw meat. Well, remember the old adage in media if it bleeds it leaves So sensationalist reporting has seemed to win the order of the day because it attracts people That's why donald trump does so well. He's a reality tv star with You know craziness to his actions and words, but people just seem to be attracted to that like a moth to a life So, um, yes, the media has been remiss and to explain why They repeat the same stories over and over again is because to allude to what winston said People just can't handle new topics In an avalanche Fashion they can only Comprehend so much at one time So the media knows that and I think that's why they repeat stories over and over again Yeah, that's one of the reasons I have learned to watch The bbc Because there's a lot of things happening that a regular american cable channels simply do not cover Winston i want to i want to turn to you and ask you about the the debt ceiling, okay The debt ceiling is a very interesting Competitive strategy scenario each one wants to blame it on the other McConnell wants to somehow leave the public thinking That the democrats are at fault for blowing up the the debt the debt ceiling and of course in fact seems to me that that McConnell and the republicans are at fault But how is this going to play out in terms of that poll? How is it going to play out in terms of who gets blamed for this really? catastrophic cliffhanger that we have here which will be resolved very soon Well, Nancy Pelosi said that she uh is not going to let the government shut down But um, you know when the government does shut down The president always wins no matter who the president is that you generally speaking if in the prior government shut down that I remember they The president pretty much said bring it on And people got sick of not getting their paychecks and and the whole freak out about that Of course, they got them eventually and they know that they will But it's it's playing a little bit of chicken now given the uh, you know The debt that said I don't think people really care about the debt But we just increased the the the money supplied by 40 percent last year Yeah, you know, this is all in some sense Do people know what a trillion is how many how many you know, 1,000 millions is a trillion? They don't know they don't care. That's not really important to them What they miss is their their entertainment and that's that's what that's I think what that poll reflected was that you had this Apologist and then entertainment wrapped up together in one and to get back to your question about the supreme court what they would have done I think they would have come down on the side of of justice and and right and the constitution as they interpreted Um in a conservative fashion, which was that he did not win because you remember they did um act to not Allow some recount in pennsylvania or some something there. Maybe they did in michigan too I can't remember what it was, but there was something where they didn't even hear it So they just wanted it to play out and I think that uh, they would have done that as far as a roby way That that one's gone. So whatever remains is to be seen. We'll see but that can't be Uh, I don't I hope can't be conflated or equated With what we saw regarding article 14 section three Hmm no remains to be seen um, you know tim You know, we've had At least in recent memory a dozen books From insiders around trump and now reporters Who have been able to talk to insiders around trump? And indeed as you pointed out, there's a lot of thoughts to connect Are we done? Do you have the sense that this is it? Or are there more books going to come out and how influential are they going to be this one's pretty influential But what are we going to see going forward more of the same less of the same? Um, are we going to see republican type of books come out? I think if I was an author, I'd wait to see what the select committee comes up with testimony and documents and just dedicate a book to the specifics that was discovered that quite a clear direction to donald trump and his attempt to overthrow a democratic election So there's a there's a book waiting to be written I think they just need a little more information and and quite frankly, um, all the information they've gathered so far Could be synthesized in another summary book so Again, it's so much that it's hard for the the general public to get their arms around it and really understand to what degree donald trump and his His mischievous aides and agency heads have tried to do to overthrow a democratic election and it's crazy, but um There's more to come I guarantee it you know the carl is Understands one thing and then his timing is everything Look how he blew up the second impeachment by by crafting a time strategy. You know, it's really that was really smart And um, you know and he knows too that the longer you wait before you get the revelation The less the less of a revelation it is And so, uh, we're we're into uh, october already soon enough Um, and it's been a long time since last year's election been 11 months actually Um, and as winston said, uh, you know, they they don't care about a lot of things they should care about And they don't they don't care about the debt ceiling even though it could be a crisis Um, what do they care about and and do they care him? Do they care about this commission? That's now a select committee That's now 11 months after the fact Do they give a rip about what it finds and what it ultimately concludes? It's like the mother report. You're sitting wait on pins and needles after a while, you know, you don't care What do you think? You know, I I guess I have a a a personal story that might shed some light on your question and that is Last evening I was uh having dinner with a very good friend. He's a republican I wouldn't call him a trump. I but he's he's a conservative republican and We talked about the election and what's in this book peril And um, he didn't deny that there was overt attempts to overthrow a democratic election. He didn't deny it But what he said is well, at least we'd get rid of joe biden And I said, are you serious? I said, so the ands justifies the means in order to get rid of joe biden You're willing to swallow the overthrow of a 240 year tradition of democratic election and the rule of law And did I get that right? Well, he was he was mum after that point and I asked for the check And I paid the bill and that was the end of that night because I don't want to sit down with people Who want to throw our democracy under the table under the bus? And if that's their philosophy is that? Well get rid of joe biden and the democrats. What the hell? um, I don't want to be in that that conversation anymore And if anyone's following donald trump after january 6, I don't want to be with those people either because Uh, there's words for him and I I don't want to really say it out here on on air But I just don't want to be associated with that kind of thinking.  And he said yes, I'm a trump or Quote this is a quote. Would you rather have hillary clinton? It's the same kind of thing You know because somehow The trumpers and trump pasted her retrospectively made her look bad That was the big thing and then they argued would you rather have hillary clinton? And now it's I it sounds like we're in the same mode You know, I I wouldn't rather have biden than than trump and that means that his strategy Of criticizing everything that biden does is working It's working j. It's okay to criticize. It's just like is it okay to overthrow our democracy for us I mean the the the the the choice between a and b is Is you know, it's just not comprehensible. I can't understand it because I understand you don't like hillary clinton I understand you like joe biden You know, don't get mad as obama used to say don't get mad vote, but don't overthrow our democracy to do it Yeah, well, you know winstead it goes again to the question of timing We have merit garland who really hasn't done much And whose investigation everybody was thinking that he could move with fleet with fleet foot Back in when he was you know When he was confirmed On investigating in the department of justice In the fbi what happened to the insurrection? Which is the most shattering thing that ever happened to this country Um, and he hasn't really done anything as far as I can see Uh likewise, um, you know those prosecutions about the insurrectionists You don't hear much about them. They're old news and they're not going anywhere Whole thing is like flat already And and I I just uh, I wanted to ask you I mean, isn't it true that if these things get old and there's no action taken If these things are Layed up on the shelf somewhere Doesn't doesn't that hurt biden doesn't that hurt democracy? Isn't that the same thing as the select committee not not actually doing a whole lot? I'm sorry. I missed the last five words. You said so I was watching my ticket Isn't it the same thing as the select committee the select investigation committee? I'm not doing a whole lot I'm being facetious I of course I'm focusing 100 on you, but I'm saying the masses are on the tiktok feed It's a five second feed and that's the attention span Select committee The words don't even register for most people and the the the reality is December And the Quinnipiac poll it was Quinnipiac, but said seventy seven percent of republicans felt there was election fraud that was probably a Constant and it stayed that room it stayed that way now Donald Trump left office with a 29 approval rating according to pew which I think a pew research says Is it is a sort of a pbs? You know of polls? Look jay nothing's gonna happen out of this So there's no political will to fight this The of the work we're hanging on by our nails here What we need to focus on is to work that joe biden is doing quietly behind the scenes, which is rebuilding these institutions shorting them up pouring the concrete putting in the steel rebar's and and hopefully getting that done before 2022 because if it doesn't happen then Uh, you know, and I don't think donald trump's gonna run I think there's enough that was unleashed with him that there's so much fury that's going to come around the marjorie Taylor greens are just the beginning of all of this so We have a lot more pain with this coming from but I am convinced that my fellow compatriots will say enough of this already We share so much in common in this great and good land that we need to focus on that and Hopefully people will come back to that because we've been We've been swinging so far that each half the nation feels agrees Every time every election and that is not the way that we can run this country I don't know who's there to bring it together. If such a person exists I I don't know if we if it would become a multi-party model. I really don't know how that happens, but We're not really Working it well right now and yet. There's such a death If we're not working it well, it means that people aren't necessarily going to vote for joe biden come around They're not necessarily going to vote for democrats come around there. The burden is clear You know, let me go to tim for a minute. You know tim we started talking about the book The peril book right and connecting the thoughts of all these conspiratorial things And the the co-conspirators have essentially gotten away with it And for that matter trump essentially has gotten away with it It's it's really awful and and you know the thing I wanted to ask you about is to How can we explain this book comes out? Okay, and all these dots get connected and more people at least in my world understand How very I'm not sure what the word is, but how very much like a coup this was We're talking about treason here that turned over the forceful overthrow of the government And yet the newspaper tells us just as the poll Is that the number of people who are on the republican side is somehow Miraculously increasing it's increasing that seems to be clear from what you read What's what's happening here? Well, I don't think it's correlation just with you know, what happened on january 6th, you know President biden's having the calamity hit his desk on everything. So that's affecting the polls that will change those numbers are going to change If it were me, I would take the book peril Plus the findings of the select committee take all those data points and all those findings and all those significant awareness of how this thing has been You know amplified by donald trump and give it to the lincoln project Let them do five commercials because no one knows how to take on donald trump and the Trumpites better than the lincoln project. You can't depend on the democrats to do it because they're a net They don't know how to do it. So give it to the lincoln project farm it out contract it out And let them let them do what they do best and that has shed light on the truth and in its nitty gritty way Light the pathway Hiring republicans or former republicans to do the work that democrats can't do Well, they know how to fight they know how to fight like a republican Well, you know part of this if I sum up this discussion in my mind winston But I get is that although as you say Joe biden is working, you know, like under the hood to do the right thing quiet and what what arioshi Effective and quiet quiet and effective All that it may not work now in the national context Winston wouldn't it be better and this is your final remark here because we're almost out of time Wouldn't it be better if he got more aggressive? Wouldn't it be better if he attacked trump? Wouldn't it be better if he attacked all these trumpet people? And really let him have it and gave the and gave the public something to See as I don't want to use raw meat, but at least an aggressive statement of some kind He's so mellow. He's so modest that he's boring. I'm sorry You know what boring is exactly what this nation needs right now Boring understated and getting the job done and if he wants to throw out some things that he can have people attack Exactly. He has a lot of attack dogs that can go after the points, but they should not go after the person It's the person that's caused the problem Not the points. Jay. This country is is filled with Good principled people on both sides principled republicans that have been discontented principled liberals and progressive and and ultra conservatives We share We share an overwhelming majority of Of what we of what's good in this nation. We all want good schools. We want good roads. We want good governance How our vision of the country may be different But right now we don't need to be slinging but at back of donald trump because he is a master at All of that and he doesn't need any more oxygen than he's getting right now. We need to focus on Building back better as joe biden said and we've got a lot of different areas We can focus on given donald trump isn't one of the things we need to do Yeah, we'll see you about infrastructure. Won't we we'll see tim your last comment And I hope you you know discussed the same point that winston was discussing namely shouldn't joe biden be raising his voice Well, you know joe biden reminds me not that I knew him personally, but uh calvin coolidge. They used to call him cool cow When the nation was in crisis economic crisis Coolidge was just you know, just not even there. I mean he was trying to get things done, but you know just was so Calm about it that uh Nothing really got done and joe biden needs to roll up his sleeves and if he can't do it I think he can but if he can't do it Uh farm it out to the lincoln project let that let them be his foil Although he has the bully pulpit and trump knew how to use the bully pulpit like nobody's business. He was very effective at it You know, maybe joe biden should take a page out of donald trump's book And use that bully pulpit and use it for the common good for the the preservation of democracy For the preservation of the rule of law and to ensure that the 2024 election is not going to be overturned out of You know people who want to see this this turned under our our democracy turned under So that's what joe biden could do and he can start doing it now not later Okay, I can't resist one more question Give us a week's prediction. We used to ask this question early on Tim what's going to happen in the next week? Okay, well the odds are way against me I think the progressive democrats and the centrist democrats come to an understanding about the infrastructure bill and they get something done It will not be 3.5 trillion. I guarantee you but it may be around 1.75 Maybe as high as 2 trillion, but I i'm gonna put the number about 1.7 1.75 on that second infrastructure bill. They'll get it done Okay, and winston your prediction for the next week Okay, I think joe biden's probably watching the show and he's going to take some advice from it and What we have is a is a kindly good moral authority figure of grandfather leah if you will Who can stand up and just say it how it is Your prediction winston your prediction And that's what's going to do he's going to come out and he's going to and he's going to state some truths That exist about our nation and how we need to go about solving the problem because he knows he's out a rough week And they're preparing it right now as we speak Okay, my prediction. Thank you. Thank you, winston. Thank you, tim It's elements and welch and there's a dog there too. Thank the dog. Thank you very much everybody for this First edition if you will of politics for the people here In lieu of america Finding his way. Thank you so much. Aloha. See you next week Thank you


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