Hey, what's up dudes and dudettes drew here from the anxious truth joined again once again It's been a while my friend Monique coven all the way from the great white north. You're not that far north though Sort of as close as you could be with being in a different country anyway It's those of you who have seen Monique's smiling face on my podcast for know her Otherwise, we'll go over some of a little bit about you. I think at the end, but basically Monique well, it's everybody where to find you Monique is a CPTSD coach certified and all that stuff and we've done a bunch of these together and they're always good and everybody loves them and I Enjoyed do with them. So here we are Great, I'm glad to be here. Yes on a Saturday morning. What are we gonna talk about? We're gonna talk about I think generalize anxiety disorder PTSD and whatever other Yes, diagnosis and labels that we want to talk about and how They are sort of given this name of Disorder at the end. Yeah, and how that word disorder Really changes changes a lot for people automatically with that word disorder. Yeah start to feel different about what's happening for us Yeah, I think you're right Like we talked a little bit about this when we came up with the topic and I think you came up with the topic No, we both did the same day, which was so funny We both posted something about how normal the experience is and it there's nothing actually Wrong or disorder about it and I wrote something about PTSD and CPTSD and you wrote about anxiety I'm like, okay, we gotta talk about this. Yeah, and it was a similar thing Which is that so much of what happens in both of those situations the responses the the expression of it Nice the expression of it is is normal like that's what a human being does Yet somehow when we put that label on it disorder illness disease, I've heard it called all of those things Like some of people think like oh the way I feel is abnormal. I'm not supposed to feel this way Yeah, but you know that that's not true Yeah, yeah, and I think that I think I posted something about yeah PTSD or CPTSD is actually a Normal reaction to an Abnormal experience that you may have and it's not a disorder It's a reaction and when you stick that that label disorder and let's say it's a mental health professional or a doctor, whatever I'm gonna only talk about my experience. But what I remember hearing was I heard well Let's talk about when I was first given the label of generalized anxiety disorder. I didn't hear generalized anxiety. I heard Generalized anxiety disorder. Yeah, it's like I have a disorder and then you know all kinds of thoughts and fears Rise up from the word disorder like something is wrong. Yeah, that's true And I think I often have people who get really freaked out by diagnosis and a label So that plays into that too, but in the end it would have been so much better What you actually wrote was post-traumatic stress disorder is not a disorder. It's a normal reaction, which was so good And and people get led into believing that the way they are feeling whether they're feeling afraid like you know in terms of anxiety or You know panic disorder that sort of stuff or or PTSD and they're feeling fear and they're having all those bodily sensations Like that that's the problem. The problem is what they're feeling. Yeah, and it's never what they're feeling. That's the problem yeah, and and also That something is actually gone haywire with their body and their body is broken flawed not working help. That's so scary Something when actually, you know, as you know with anxiety as I know with anxiety and as I know with PTSD Our body is responding actually normally so with PTSD These are adaptions that we have had to do in order for our body to keep us alive and to keep us safe It's a natural response. Our body was protecting us and it went into these mechanisms and that is actually normal There's nothing disorderly about that So right right and so in the end Yeah, and you know like you've heard me say it about a zillion times that it's never how you feel That's how you react to how you feel, you know, at least in what I'm talking about and Getting people to put their brain around that they're not ill or broken Just develop some bad habits Yeah, yeah, and the the anxiety I know for myself the feeling of the anxiety or the PTSD symptoms the symptoms are so Overwhelming and scary that we get stuck in that but we don't realize that you know those the expression of it is just our body responding to fear if we're having a lot of anxious thinking or We're thinking we're in danger our bodies just responding to that normally Yes, that's true. That has nothing to do with you know some sort of disorder I could be using the disorder, but nothing is broken inside That's making you feel this way. Yeah, that's why I really like it You share that a lot on your in your you know, and I love that Could you imagine had we gone to a doctor and we're all already stressed because we're feeling all this thing these things We don't know what's wrong. We feel and I know I was met with Instead of like, you know telling me, oh, it's alright. It's a normal experience. Your body is just really how different that would have been for me it would have given me a sense of Empowerment it would have normalized my experience. I think it really would have been helpful And I'm really hoping that we're gonna kind of start to see that I hope in the future with with the mental health profession and Yeah, well, maybe it is heading that way. I mean, you know I think but you might be a little bit more involved in it than I am but it would be nice It you know, I and I hate to like go I'm gonna go on a rant on this but I think a lot of times at least the people who are following me they wind up in the realm of medical doctors and their general practitioner and You know, there's very little sensitivity or understanding of the cognitive part of what's going on with the patient And you know, they whip out a prescription pad not that this is a rant about medications And they treat it like it's like it's the flu or they've gotten some bodily disease. Yeah Exactly same here and I remember my first experience Very cold And it was like, okay, what are your symptoms? Alright, it wasn't like the whole person It wasn't like, you know, it was it was what's going on? Like, what are your symptoms? What's wrong with you?   I'm a symptom You know, and it just it was it was not a good experience for me I left instead of feeling calmer under with more understanding again with more a little sense of empowerment I left feeling oh my gosh That is wrong with me Right. I have a disease. This is terrible Back in the day, you know from in my story, I was told well, if you were diabetic You would take your medicine, you know, you would take your insulin you have a chemical balance and balance So all that stuff. But that what you just said I am my symptoms or I am my thoughts So many people are trapped in that like this. No, no, no, this is just me. I have a problem. I have a disorder I have a problem here like well, you know, let's talk a little bit about I think how this relates to the PTSD thing You know In terms of why somebody might feel so you had you had a terrible Experience or sequence of experiences in the past and it has led you to this point today Where you react in given circumstances or in given context with these Terrible feelings and emotions and physical sensations But you know, let's talk about why that's a normal way to feel given your experience I'm sure you've had to explain this to your your clients Of course and of course to my it's to myself, right which first Normalized the experience but I think if we don't get educated and like I said because It wasn't that long ago where the professionals that I were I was dealing with did not they weren't trauma informed So it wasn't helpful um, so, uh What was your question again? So good, uh, I've been there so many times trust me What How would you I know you've had to explain this to clients and to yourself Why why is it normal for somebody who has been through that traumatic sequence of events to feel what they're feeling today? What is that? Yeah So for when we have an oh, I'll just say when we have an overwhelming experience such as trauma and trauma is When we have an experience that's not a regular experience. It's overwhelming to our capacity to cope That's considered trauma and for many people They were either Raised this way so they had a very traumatic childhood where there was a lot of chaos There was they didn't have um a safe connection with their primary caregiver So attachment is a very huge issue when it comes to trauma a lot of people did not have that Safe attachment and what happens when we don't have that is that Our brain needs to be as babies. We need to be regulated by that primary caregiver. So when we're not feeling Safe or we're not feeling regulated. It's our primary caregiver that comes and soothes us when we don't have that We're already our brain gets primed for threat for fear and very very young we become looking out for for threat And what tends to happen then when we have trauma and trauma everything is a threat and we're always on guard So you can kind of see how our we have already become prone to being afraid right and um, and so We develop Adaptions so that we can feel safe and the adaptations are sometimes disassociation. So Um, many people who have had trauma in childhood. They're like, I have so many blank spots I don't remember so much that was because our brain did something To keep us safe our bodies did something to keep us safe They took us away and we went somewhere else and that is actually such an amazing Ability of our body. It's completely natural It did what it needed to do to keep us alive and that's an adoption And so if we if we've done that over and over and over and over again our body just threat Oh, I'm scared. Goodbye. We go somewhere else Then it becomes our bodies get used to doing that it becomes a habit it becomes conditioning And so I know for myself Here I am I became an adult so glad that all that's behind me. I'm gonna have a great life now calm peace joy bliss Well, what I found was I couldn't do it I could not stay in the present moment And I had no clue why nobody helped me with that. So I thought something was wrong I was given the diagnosis of you know, a disorder generalized anxiety disorder first Um, but but what I learned later was that was a natural Adoption of my body and my brain to go away. That's why I can't stay present. My body feels very unsafe Inside I'm always feeling unsafe. And so I explain how normal that is. So that was just one example of adaptations But we have many adaptations are okay Well, we've learned that we better keep our mouth shut and not speak up. Otherwise we're in trouble So we people please or we you know, all of these different kinds of adaptations To keep us quote-unquote safe right and what ends up happening is we are so far removed from You know, you've heard people say authentic self. But what authentic self really means is Being ourself saying what we really want to say instead of keeping our mouth shut or You know trying something we really want to try but not trying it because we're so scared or you know, whatever right Just kind of showing people That these are adaptations and that we can learn By first awareness like because many of us are living so it's under the radar where we're 95 of our behavior is subconscious So we're operating and we have no clue why right, but we're just doing it But becoming aware. Okay. These are adaptations. I'm experiencing and I'm operating and we become aware And that's where we can kind of have the choice to start to change And then with this feeling of not being safe. It's about learning how to be safe in our body So likely and of course, you know, I'm big on the on the cognition on the box Yeah I'm feeling so it's a lot of that I think that is such a such a good explanation these last few minutes I gotta believe are incredibly valuable to anybody's gonna listen to that because you explain that incredibly clearly Thank you very much And I think the big takeaway from that to go back to our thing I'm trying to sort of normalizing this a little bit is it has nothing to do with the fact that you were either born with Some disease or broken or illness or you you got l or your brain is broken You can bring it even if you want brought to bring it all the way back to infant days And some people do want to do that and that's fine. It's still an adaption a learned thing You know, like there there's their cues in the environment. We read the cues We behave accordingly and how we read those cues make a difference So the way you learn to read them at 10 years old or five years old or three years old Is the way you read them at 40 years old too unless you become aware of it and start to change that direction So I just posted something um a couple of I don't know when I put some of the pops in my head and I posted I write it I'm making it as I go along. This is a good thing to say Um, but it was something about that that I thought I was just going to outgrow that stuff and become like a happy, you know Um embodied adult and we don't outgrow it. We don't outgrow it like you said, right? Like the passage of time alone doesn't change anything and that is such a huge thing too So be empowered at the idea that Whether the issue is that there's some trauma in your past or you've got an anxiety disorder compounded by trauma It's still a thing you learned and something that you learn you can unlearn But but you do not unlearn things just by waiting for time to pass that doesn't happen There's no automatic immune response. I say all the time. Um, because you know addressing your thing I thought I would go out of it. I hope it gets better just sitting and hoping it gets better Like, you know, if you get the flu we retreat you lay in bed You blow your nose for a week and your body has an immune response and the flu goes away Right, so it's kind of a passive thing. You just wait and your body will take care of it This is never that you can't just wait Because it won't change if you just wait Yeah, because our brains are um, you know, they're they're they're I don't know they're conditioned Um, we've got that lower brain that that that has learned so many things and goes right into it And when we become aware of that that that's what's going on. It's helpful But I always come back to and this has been so It's been so hopeful and peaceful to me is that I believe we come into the world With this innate resilience and this well-being that's there That's our you know, our essence, right? But then we learn and they and they get covered up with adaptations and beliefs and all kinds of stuff But as we like let go of those things and we start to relearn some of the things that um We we not relearn but we unlearn I should say Some of the things we get more in touch with with That place that well-being I think in the end so much of it is the innate Inability of every human being to learn and adapt and change Wow, you see people all the time prisoners of war Adapt like people who are incarcerated incarcerated adapt people who live with true chronic You know disabilities physical disabilities and illnesses adapt So we are incredibly adaptable. We can learn to do almost anything people with traumatic brain injuries Learn to talk again. They learn to walk again So the fact that you have always been maybe afraid to go out of the house or Fearful in a given context because of your past experience does not doom you to always be that person Like that is changeable. Then yeah, I have a little little example I've shared it on my podcast and maybe even with you But I just it's a little concrete example of how we can be one way and then change So I used to be terrified of this particular highway That I that I have where I live And I would get sick to my stomach at the thought of it And it was like you have to cross like five busy lanes to get there And I was like I think about it before and I would speak, you know, so sick nervous and anyway So I would do it and I would be terrified and whatever and then again And then I got a job where I had to cross that highway Every single day and it was uncomfortable at the beginning, but I tell you By I don't know how long it took whatever it took. I was the first one to be zooming across that No fear nothing That's a great example of how we can be one way and so Sick and think that things will never change while we're in it And then two months later. That's just an example. Yeah completely different on the first one crossing over with no fear How does that happen same bridge? Yeah, same bridge same highway same unique just a different reaction and a different Understanding of the context and the situation. So yeah, that's a thing and I think you know A lot of people sometimes and that's why I love to talk to you because you know A lot of people relate to things I'm saying and often I am Directly to things like panic disorder and agoraphobia where there are physical sensations They're afraid people are afraid to leave the house or do certain things and they say Yeah, but what about all the emotions and everything that comes along with my trauma and they want to sort of like No, I can't fix it because I have trauma and I hear this on the daily But in the end even people that are dealing more mentally with maybe getting into a mental space of You know backing away mentally and emotionally for protection Even that I believe the same principles apply So somebody who has learned to shut up because they might say something wrong And be judged and be called unworthy or or or silly or stupid Can learn to start to say things.  I have kept my mouth shut Let me try saying a little something here and it's scary and it's and it's terrifying What you do it and then you discover like, okay, this you know The same dangers and threats don't exist that existed 25 years ago It's safe. I can put my toe in the water and then more and more and more and then next Do you know the person who was terrified to be in the ocean so to speak metaphorically is swimming like a champ Amazing, right? So Yeah, yeah It applies to it applies to everything um I do think with trauma though I'm I just been I did a podcast on this and and it's been on my mind like crazy. It is important when we have had really horrific experiences like Child to trauma that was overwhelming My feeling is that it's really important if we didn't have a safe connection and the safety of Our first relationships. I believe healing can begin in that kind of a relationship So when that can repair that sort of not being not feeling not Feeling comfortable because you don't trust Having a safe relationship where you can share what happened with someone who is a compassionate witness something Something changes within us when it's shared So I think that that's an important thing to talk about to have that kind of support when you've had that kind of trauma Yeah, I would agree with you 100% you know and you know that that thing that says well I have trauma so I can't do that's like well, you're gonna have to work on that too unfortunately and and sometimes So let's address this for a second Sometimes I think when I'm dealing with people who are say agoraphobic They are deathly afraid to walk out in the front yard or sitting on the steps or go to the supermarket Whatever it is But some people who I know are suffering from a traumatic past They're not deathly afraid necessarily go to the supermarket even though they may have developed agoraphobia as an outgrowth They are afraid of experiencing Mentally what they experienced in the past. They are terrified to confront it and and feel it again and sit with it And sometimes and I could be you correct me because you are way more no more than I would do about this But it seems like part of that healing process is to be able to sit with somebody whether it's your therapist Your coach or count whoever it is And relive it but in a place where somebody will say Oh, yeah, that was terrible that should have never happened to you Like yes, you have a right to be angry upset afraid all of those things But they still do have to you know kind of confront it. You can't run from it forever Yeah It totally does but the way that I see it and again, I can only speak from my own experience was that I what I went through was really um It was it was horrible and there was I was alone and isolated and I there was no help and nobody and That was really that was like an added trauma and it wasn't until I had someone else who really sat with me and and um She she understood what I was experiencing and suddenly that experience was shared And the burden was shared and and I don't know. I think that comes back to This human need we have for connection and it was it it's it's a repairing So, yeah, I think that that's really important Maybe it helps reframe the experience when you have somebody there to share it with you and and validate it to a certain extent Or acknowledge it that it was real You know, maybe sometimes It the overwhelm of it can be started take away a little bit So you can actually reason it a little bit more When you're alone with no net and no compassionate witness and no support and no validation and no caring at all How are you supposed to actually reason what needs to be reasoned out of the experience? I don't think you can it just becomes purely emotion purely emotion So maybe when you have somebody to share that with you can actually get to that point where you could say Oh, yeah, that was really terrible, but that's not today That was that was back then and I'll have to say sometimes there is no reasoning Like and but and even having another person say nothing But just you see in their eyes an expression that I see what happened to you and it was horrific Like I'll give you an example now. This is an extreme example And I don't mean it any way to compare the Holocaust to I'm just giving it as an example of trauma So I worked at a social worker for many many years with Holocaust survivors And I heard firsthand atrocities that they went through and But there was something in the telling the sharing of the experience that When you share it with another human being something that is an atrocity Again, I don't have words why I don't get it But in the experience of the sharing there comes a sense of I'm not alone I'm understood This atrocity is shared Something happens to us. So I really I'm big on that. I think it is so Important to share the experience. I think you can't you can't argue against that Jeb, you know, it's it seems so obvious. I mean even me. I'm a dynamo behaviorist I would say yeah, you got to do that like that what you're saying matters like this all works together It all works together It's not you know, while maybe the nuts and bolts of of exposure and things like that can get you to the supermarket You have to go through the other stuff To get to a true place a full recovery that sort of thing Yeah, yeah, and again It's all normal like all of these things are are normal. It's just sometimes people are dealing with You know abnormal situations. So really it was the situation in the context Or the initial reaction or just a slight little brain error that we make it gets blown into an abnormal situation But never an abnormal person in these in these Cases. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, so I don't know. I mean we've been out of 25 minutes. You had you said so much good stuff here I can't wait to put this one. Yeah So always so helpful. I love chatting with you. It's fun. Yeah. Yeah, it's all good So I don't want to go too much longer about 25 to 30 minutes as far as we usually want to go What else do you want to add anything in particular that we can think of on this? I I always always want to add because I I felt like I wasn't given that so I always try to Provide hope and I think we just did that when we said we normalized it And we gave hope that we may have been this way for x number of years decades But we can change Neuroscience proves that we can change. So there's hope in this. There's hope that we can Have a different experience of life. So I always like to leave with that. Yeah, I think so too I'm gonna leave with this the fact that I appreciate that you and I do this because Because honestly you We do come at it from different ways and we may have different ways to frame it But in the end I love that we always can find a way and I and I put that squarely on you We always find a way to bring it together somehow and put it out there as it as almost a unified message Or at least complimentary and I really appreciate you for that. I do. Oh, I appreciate you. Thank you Yeah, so all right. So how do people how bad if somebody wants to find you how they're gonna find you I know how to find you but I don't matter Yeah, so I do offer virtual coaching Um, and you can find me. I have a podcast call. We changed the name the healing the healing trauma And cptsd podcast. So that's the podcast and if you want to find me on My website it is cptsdcoach.com. Thank you And um, and I have a facebook and I have an instagram account It's all on from your website, right? Yeah, yeah, it's all there and I love to share a lot on there like through like Something comes up in my head. Boom. I'm on there. Yeah, and it's always good. I urge everybody Whether you there's trauma or not like monique is a bit of a shiny light in a day I think just the message is always really good. So there you go All right, we're gonna do we'll do more of these for sure without a doubt. So thanks for coming by. I appreciate it Later everybody. All right, let me be the awkward stop button guy


structures including 2,907 homes in the city of Santa Rosa and 86 commercial units and the estimated 1.18 billion in damage. The total exceeds 3 billion in total county-wide losses. So we're running a little late. It looks like Sarah's having some technical difficulties. She keeps rebooting. I know that lifestyle. Yeah, that life. Waiting to see one more thing before we get started without her. We are going to be talking about the Wi-Fi vulnerability, the crack. We're all going to die. Thankfully, we're not all going to die. No, well, we are going to die.  I'm sorry. Not today. Not today. Maybe, hopefully. Well, probably. I have a high degree of confidence that we're all not going to die today. Yes. That's the good news. So we got that going for us.  We would be really sad even if you died tomorrow. Yeah, I was going to say that. Extra creepy horror movie, like sad. Like, oh my God, we predicted this and she said it. Like, that would be bad. That would make it worse. Would it? I think so. I think it would make it cooler. It depends. It depends. It could just reinforce my belief in the certain inevitabilities of life. Like death. Death in taxes.  Yeah, I wouldn't be shocked. No one ever said, oh, Roger Chang, the optimist. I'm not an optimist, but I'm not a scenario optimist. His disposition is too sunny. Yeah.  Someone I'll know that that your lady has started spiking your drinks with something. My sparkling water. She's like, here, honey, your sparkling water for your sparkling personality. Oh, we have the exact same personality. That's where we're married. I know you guys crack me up. It's my favorite thing about you guys. I love it. I love it. I love it. All right. So Sarah's going to join us when she can, but we're going to go ahead and get started. Y'all ready? Y'all ready for this? Hey, where did my windows go? Where did your windows go? Monkeys, one moment, one moment there. Thank you. Sorry. All right. Now are you ready? How do you want to split up the, um, the headliners? Uh, I'll just read the Sarah ones till she shows up. Okay. You can read the last Sarah one if she's not here by then. Okay. Does that work? That's fine by me. Here we go. No outside organizations have influenced the creation of this daily tech news show. This show is influenced and supported by people like me. To learn more, visit daily technewshow.com slash support. This is the Daily Tech News for Monday, October 16th, 2017. I'm Tom Merritt. Sarah Lane, uh, will be joining us shortly. We hope she's having a few technical difficulties, but we also have Veronica Belmont. That's you. Was I supposed to introduce myself? I'm sorry, I didn't, I didn't pick up on that. And also like Patrick made a sound and so the camera went to him and I was like, Oh, Patrick's okay. Okay. Well, anyway, I'm here. Happy Monday. And Patrick Norton is with us as well. Patrick is also here. How's it going, Patrick? Can I speak? Is it safe? Safe to speak. It's a safe space now for you to speak. All I did was click on my mouse, Veronica. I'm just saying. I didn't, I'm not the Google Hangouts. I don't control these things. It's just, it's just very confusing for me. It's not you, it's me. Apologies for that. Our Roger Chang is here as well. Roger, are you okay? I am fine. Good to know. Let's start with a few tech things you should know. Now, vulnerability in the Wi-Fi protocol has been revealed by Belgian researchers. All operating systems are vulnerable, though many of them have already been patched, not all of them. Users should make sure to use HTTPS and VPN when on Wi-Fi and patch systems as those patches become available. That's the bottom line. We're going to talk about that in depth a little bit later on. The U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Texas has denied all Apple's motions, leaving stand a decision that it owes Vernet $439.7 million in total judgments. This is in a patent dispute over secure communications and FaceTime. However, all of the patents in the case have been invalidated by the U.S. Patent and Trade Office. Vernet has not exhausted its appeals at the USPTO, so the court case can continue, and Apple will have to pay Vernet. It's all a mess. So they'll still have to pay them even though I'm confused. This is why I'm not a lawyer. HTC is sending out invites to an event November 2nd in Taipei. Best guesses is the HTC U11 Plus smartphone will be announced, but who knows? Who knows? I mean, it's going to be the smartphone, but we don't really know. Huawei announced the Mate 10 and Mate 10 Pro phones with a dedicated neural network processing unit, or what they're calling an NPU, dedicated for the AI function. So the NPU can anticipate what apps you use and kind of pre-launch them so that they launch a little faster. It can reduce strain on the CPU, speeding up the CPU when it's needed, and it can help in apps like photos, like an automatically filter based on the photo that you're taking. It works with third-party apps like Microsoft Translator, phone runs Android Oreo with a 4,000 mAh battery, Kirin 970 CPU and 12-core Mali G72 GPU. The 5.9-inch LCD Mate 10 cost you 699 euros. That's coming to 15 countries, more than 15 countries in October. And then the slightly larger 6-inch AMOLED Mate 10 Pro is almost bezel-less, so it looks a lot bigger, has no physical home button and moves the fingerprint sensor to the back. That costs 799 euros coming in November. Folks, are we tired of phones or these impressive? For me, having integrated AI, actually deciding things like what your favorite apps are, I mean this is kind of like the next level stuff that we haven't really seen yet from from companies like Apple, for example. I'm really curious to know how it decides which when I want to use my apps. It's a little creepy, huh? How much do their partners, like part of me was like neural networking. Well, Google paid as this much to push their translation, or this company paid as that much to put their translation. I think it's both less impressive and less nefarious than this. It just kind of preps the apps, and then when you launch them, that helps them run a little more efficient and a little faster. Is AI at this point just getting stretched to cover everything? Because every there's news stories where it's like, our artificial intelligence, I'm like, no, your algorithm. You have a decision matrix that decides, this is not super cool next generation. Scotty, beam me up. I'm talking to my computer, and it's going to do things from the it's sorry, I get a little frustrated. No, it's you're 100%, right? I mean, it's just it's the buzzword of the moment right now. And so everybody's figuring out ways that they can kind of shift their wording, their descriptions of their products to make it fit into the artificial intelligence like bucket. We could say, you know, it's not really a neural network. It's artificial intelligence in your rice cooker that makes the rice cook properly. I have my rice cooker does have fuzzy logic. I have a fuzzy logic rice cooker. Okay. What is fuzzy logic AI? I don't even know what it means, Patrick. I don't even know what it means. It's fuzzy. I'm a little fuzzy on it. That said, though, all the reviews on the Huawei say that the AI is pretty impressive, and it's nice that they're not just throwing it against a virtual assistant that will anger you because it can't do what you would expect it to do. It's pushing it into the apps. So the camera tests that people have done, they're like, actually, I could tell, like, when I pointed it at one thing, it looks good. And then it adjusted when I pointed at another thing. So, you know what we should do? We should do a whole episode on why Apple has fallen so far behind on on their device artificial intelligence assistant software. I think that'd be an interesting topic. Did you do that already? You did, didn't you? No, but I would, I think there's more to it than just why Apple is falling behind. It's, it's, you know, where are they? How good are they? Because I don't think any of them are as good as they promised to be. Yeah, as they promised. They promise a lot. Yeah. Oh boy, do they promise a lot. Why don't they? IBM is promising to make bank transfers not last three days anymore. Anybody who's done that bank transfer knows you get like the three to five business day way. IBM set up a blockchain payment system to transfer money between banks across 12 currency quarters in Australia, New Zealand, and other South Pacific nations. System will make transfers happen almost real time. A cryptocurrency called Lumens from a company called Stellar will be used to facilitate the cross-border payments, although banks may eventually replace that with their own cryptocurrency. This is just to get it up and running. But if I understand this right, what they have to do now, especially when they go across borders, is take the money, convert it on their end, then send it over, then convert it again. And that's part of the reason, not the only reason, but that's part of the reason it takes so long. Well, this will be, yeah, that would be a very nice change, I think. The US buzzword for Patrick to get mad at though. I wasn't even going there, man. All right. Fair enough. I wanted to make sure you didn't feel you had lost the opportunity. No, no, no. I was going to get mad at the banks because the banks will still figure out a reason to sit on your stuff for three days. Yeah, they'll find it. But now it'll be entirely under their control and they can profit under it. Thank goodness for that. Look, you snarked for me. This is great. The US Supreme Court will hear an appeal by the US Department of Justice over a decision that prevents prosecutors from obtaining emails stored on a Microsoft server in Ireland without getting an Irish court order. New York based Second US Courts of Appeal ruled the emails on an Irish server of a customer in Ireland were beyond the reach of US domestic search warrants. Yeah, this is a big case. And when they won in New York, a lot of people thought maybe that would be over because if the US Supreme Court had said, we're not going to review it, that decision would have stood. But if you've kind of forgotten what it's about, it's a customer who says they're Irish with emails on an Irish server. The US Department of Justice wants it in relation to a case. Microsoft said, great, go to Ireland, get a warrant. The Department of Justice says, we don't need to go to Ireland. We got a warrant here in the US.  And so the dispute is whether a US warrant can be used to make a US company pull data off a foreign server. Yeah, I guess if it's not collowed somewhere in the US, I mean, could that be a possible loophole in that kind of thing? Like if they have data centers that are sharing information? I mean, because this is on a server in Ireland, I assume that that's all that matters in this case. But it's an interesting question. And it's one of the reasons this kind of case is so important because it sets a precedent that can lead to other decisions saying, well, if that's all true right there, then why isn't this other situation also true? And the best part is our current Department of Justice is certainly laser focused on individual rights and preserving privacy for all citizens that we may be securing our business transactions and personal needs. Oh, I feel that in my soul. I feel that truly do. And as much as I might snark about the DOJ, we also here in the state of California have a senator that's convinced that all encryption needs a backdoor for the children to keep the children safe. And let's be clear. This is not, this is somebody who has a legal warrant within the United States. If this was on a server, there'd be no controversy. Microsoft say, oh, yeah, you've got a judge to sign up. That's fine in the United States. This is the problem is the US Department of Justice saying, we don't care if it's in another country, you're American, you have to give us what we want. And Microsoft saying, hold on, we're American, but we're also Irish. And if you're in Ireland, you don't fall under US law, you fall under Irish law and your rights should be projected there. And of course, the Department of Justice doesn't want to have to go to various countries and navigate those various legal ways to every time they need information stored on a foreign server. And keep in mind that the customer says they're Irish too. If this was an American customer and it happened to be stored there, that would be a different angle. Where is the ambiguity about whether or not the customer is Irish or not? Because this all feels like he says he's Irish. Well, it's because it's because it's a legal case. Okay. And we haven't gone to the due diligence to track the person down and prove they're Irish. So you have to say that it's responsible to say, look, the person says they're Irish as far as we know they are. Because the Department of Justice say, sure, they say they're Irish, but they're not. And then that becomes a whole separate issue. It just seems like a confusing thing for these new sources and also the US Department of Justice to have. Accurate. Confusion over. This is the kind of BS that is ruining the world right now is when we just, oh, well, because he says he's Irish, I guess that means he isn't. No, this is us accurately saying what we know. I'm believing him that he's Irish. If he says he's Irish, I'm just confused why the news and the US Department of Justice has confused over it. You should only accurately say what we know. It's time. A weakness in RSA Encryption Key Library, version 1.0 2.013 from Infineon has found to have existed since 2012 by researchers in the Czech Republic, UK and Italy. It's the same vulnerability that we referred to earlier on DTS from Estonia. Estonian officials announced there was a vulnerability related to some digital IDs made since 2014. This is it. Also affects Slovakian IDs. And it also affects the Trusted Platform Module or TPM and a lot of laptops. The exploit can factor the public key to discover the private key. That's not supposed to happen. That's the whole reason you fact... That's the whole point. So it's a weakness in this Encryption Key Library. For instance, a 2048-bit key would be factored in 17 days by using a 1,000-instance machine on Amazon Web Services for $40,300 and a 1024-bit key could be factored in 45 minutes for $76. Paper on the topic will be presented on November 2nd at the ACM Conference on Computer and Communication Security. RSA keys generated with open SSL, PGP or keys that don't use RSA like Elliptic Curve Cryptography are not affected. That's a big deal. It is. And especially because these RSA keys are used by people who need extra security, right? Researchers successfully trialed an implanted insulin pump and glucose monitor that relies on an algorithm running on a smartphone app to deliver appropriate amounts of insulin. The algorithm takes into account daily routines, including meals and sleep, simulating the functioning of the pancreas. A 12-week test saw significant, quote, improvements, including reduced levels of a key hemoglobin and less time spent in a hypoglycemic state. This is very cool. And you'll see it announced as an artificial pancreas, because it does the functions of the pancreas. But that's kind of normal for anything that is helping somebody who needs insulin. This would mean that you don't have to constantly be calibrating yourself. It would do it for you. And this study used people who are used to constantly calibrating themselves. So these are people who are pretty good at it. And they still saw this level of improvement. This is a really close friend of the family. We refer to it as a mock pancreas, but has an insulin pump and has had one for a very, very long time. And part of me sees her being really, really excited about this. And part of me sees her going like, is the app going to be maintained? Is Bluetooth going to fail? Do I need Bluetooth 5.0 for this? We've covered all these pacemaker vulnerabilities with Bluetooth. You don't want a Bluetooth vulnerability for your pancreas either. That's scary. Yeah, I don't know. But it's kind of like the grail for people who have to administer insulin is to have it done automatically. And it would be so awesome for her. So I'm excited. Hey, folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes, be sure to subscribe to Daily Tech Headlines at DailyTechHeadlines.com. That's look at our top stories. All right, let's get into crack, which stands for key re-installation attack. So it's a crack attack. This is a paper from Madi van Hoos and Frank Peasens of the Catholic Universitet Lüven or KU Lüven, apologies for the pronunciation, in Belgium. They released the paper today, but they point out that the paper was submitted back in May, May 19th, to be exact. And they have been in touch with vendors. So it wasn't like they sprung this on everybody today. Vendors have had a while to adapt to this, and many of them already have patched their equipment, and others are very close or if not already releasing patches today. It is a problem with the protocol of Wi-Fi, which means it's OS independent. It's not a problem with the operating system. So Windows, Android, Linux, OpenBSD, they are all vulnerable to a certain extent, depending on how they implemented the protocol. HTTPS and VPN are your defenses. If you just want to jump right to that, as long as those implementations don't have their own weaknesses, but remember those aren't silver bullets, right? Let's wind this back a little bit because we've kind of glossed it over. We haven't really gotten too far into what's happening. Yeah, tell me because I actually don't know any of this. Well, I was going to get to that, but I was going right to the mitigation for the people who are like, just tell me how to stop it. HTTPS, VPN, Ethernet, because then you're not on Wi-Fi or cellular data. Now, the US cert issued an advisory. The vulnerability will be formally presented on November 1st in a talk, but what is it? Patrick, explain. Explain. I was so close to getting to that toss. Well, it's funny because I originally saw this and it starts showing up on the Twitter feed. People are talking about it in Google Hangout and I'm like, oh my, delete expletive. Everything's broken and Wi-Fi will never be secure again, which is not true. Although, like you look at the titles and the first part of the news cycle was like WPA2 vulnerability. It was very apocalyptic and everything's delete expletive. I assume this is a family friendly podcast and I shouldn't curse like a sailor, but essentially in the handshaking process, what they call the four-way handshake in WPA2, they figured out that they can slip in a little bit of data. It's a man-in-the-middle attack, which basically means you have to be near somebody's, you or a device you have control of needs to be near their Wi-Fi.  The third wave of the four-way handshake is one way of doing it. In fact, there are 10 CVE numbers, so 10 vulnerabilities here. Not all operating systems are vulnerable to all of them, but all operating systems that are unpatched are vulnerable to at least one of them. Windows and iOS are actually immune to the most severe of the several approaches. Android and Linux are the ones that have suffered the most of these vulnerabilities. Basically, they're reinstalling it all. They're reusing an old cryptographic key. Basically, it's like, for some reason, an old key works in this lock. Imagine if your lock changes, your key changes in the sense of a physical key. Imagine if every time you went to your door there was this negotiating process and a magic key appeared in your hand and you turned it in the door, but you could never use that key again. Well, it turns out you can use that key again in the case of Android 6.0 and above. You can basically, instead of getting the actual cryptographic key, just give it a whole bunch of zeros, which is a real nightmare. Which is the first key, right? Yes. It works over and over again. In theory, the WPAT protocol has a bunch of stuff in place to prevent it from failing, the four-way handshake from failing, even if packets get dropped. This is basically taking advantage of that and sneaking in their hack. The hack gives you access to part or all of the packets that are going between the device or the router.  On one hand, that's really scary, but as Tom pointed out earlier, if you're running HTTPS everywhere and you should, EFF.org slash HTTPS dash everywhere, which basically forces your browser to use an encrypted connection to whatever server you're browsing. For example, I'm connected to wired right now and all of the packets between me and wired are encrypted, which is probably excessive or my favorite cartoon website. I can do an HTTPS connection to that, but it also means anybody who can crack into the wireless network will not have access to it. They cannot look at the packets or they can look at the packets. That's a really important point is all they can see is the data. This is not a remote hack. They need to be on your Wi-Fi network so that to be in range of it, and they're not stealing your Wi-Fi password even. All they're doing is seeing the traffic. If the traffic is encrypted, then all they'll see is the encryption. They won't be able to see what's in it. Yeah, so if you run a VPN between you and the remote VPN server, even if someone manages to use the crack to get into the wireless network and to get a look at your packets, all they're going to see is the encrypted packets between you and the endpoint of the VPN you're attached to. If you're running a VPN, now I can't run a VPN and use certain services.  I don't know why. I don't care. I'll have a VPN going because I'm in a place where I need to be secure and it's like, oh, this really important service that belongs to a financial institution won't work because apparently they're afraid of VPNs.  Even if you're in the US using a US VPN, we'll assume you're trying to trick it. But the point is, if you're encrypting the traffic or obfuscating it, they won't be able to see that. Now, that doesn't mean that HTTPS everywhere is all you need to worry about. HTTPS everywhere only works when the website is serving HTTPS if the website can be tricked into saying, oh, you don't want the secure version. Great. Here's the insecure version. Then that's a problem. If your VPN provider is not trustworthy or if your VPN endpoint has been hacked, then you're not secure either. But those are both true no matter what. What we're saying here is really most people don't need to worry about it, but they should take it seriously and patch it to prevent themselves from falling victim to it. So if you're at home, you probably won't be hacked. I'm not saying you guaranteed you won't, but most people aren't going to have someone drive up to their house and try to get into their Wi-Fi network. You should patch as soon as possible, but you shouldn't sweat and fret and worry about it. If you're in a coffee shop, an airport, hotel, you should already be using VPN and HTTPS everywhere. And you should absolutely especially use it extra now. And if you're at work, it depends on how big a target your company is. That's where the real worries come in. If you're at a company that's worried about industrial espionage, if you are at a three-letter agency, if you are a medical facility and for whatever reason, you think somebody might be trying to crack into you, that you may think that's far-fetched. If you're the HIPAA Compliance Officer from localhospital.org, this may be a much more serious thing for you. Large organizations and businesses that are prone to being hacked already, this is a nightmare. Not because it's particularly... It's not that it's that much worse than any other opportunity to crack into the network, but it's one more vector you have to defend against. And when you look at this, the great thing about this is once it's patched on the client side or on the router side, it's fixed. There's a really awesome cartoon from commitstrip.com, which I apologize I did not put into the rundown earlier. But they're like, oh, it's just a simple update from your router manufacturer.  Because, oh yeah, what's the last time your router was patched? What's the last time your home router was patched when there was a previous vulnerability, say a year ago? So the nice thing is, Apple's basically said they've patched iOS, TVOS, WatchOS, MacOS, Betas. So that's getting ready to be rolled into a fact. Windows is patched. Microsoft, yeah. As of October 10th, Microsoft has patched Windows. This is a really good article. Mykotec, Maraki, Aruba, Fortinet, Ubiquiti, they are among the big enterprise level router makers who have patched this. I mean, particularly the ones that sell to government and classified organizations are already on this and they have patched it. Patrick said this, but it's worth repeating. If one side, either the router or the device has been patched, then those communications will not be vulnerable. Now, at least that is my understanding. That is my understanding also. That you probably should just patch everything to be sure. But if you've patched your device, if you're like guaranteed, I've got an iOS device, I've got a Windows device, I'm patched, then you can feel a little more confident even if that router you're connecting to isn't patched. It's no excuse not to take your normal security precautions. And I think that's the upshot here is normal security precautions are most of the things you can do to mitigate this. Yeah. And I mean, it's frustrating, right? Because this was reported as the end of the world. And, you know, it's also it just it just amplifies all these problems you already knew. Most home routers rarely, if ever, get updates even for critical security problems. So the newer ones will, the older ones won't. You know, most Internet of Things, which are essentially, you know, recycling the software, like the manufacturer makes sure it runs before they ship it to the companies that slap it in their own box and put their own label on it. And in most cases, those companies and all too often all they do is like slap their own, you know, graphics on top of the application running inside of the machine. There's not a lot of security on a lot of especially inexpensive Internet of Things devices and a lot of the expensive Internet of Things devices have never been particularly well audited or tested. So, you know, that's where you might be like, gosh, there's no update for this on my router. Maybe it's time to upgrade a router. And I'd be like, yes, it may be time to up this. This might be the excuse you need to upgrade the router that you probably don't need to upgrade otherwise. Using Ethernet will fix it. Here's a, you know, there's a Kevin Beaumont wrote a really nice kind of everybody take a breath article. It's called Regarding Crack Attacks WPA2 Flaw.  Linux patches are out now. Windows has already been patched. You know, Apple basically says it's already been patched. He points out, quote, the attack realistically doesn't work against Windows or iOS devices. The group vulnerability is there, but it's not near enough to actually do anything of interest.  So this is a non-trivial this is all about estimating your own your own level of vulnerability and your risk versus your willingness to, to mitigate against it. If you're in a place where you have classified material that you know someone would like to get to, you need to unplug the Wi-Fi router until it's patched. And you need to patch all the devices and not use them on Wi-Fi until they are patched. On the other hand, you're an average person at home.  That's actually one of the things Darren Kitchen pointed out when we were asking him about it earlier in the day. He said, modern devices will likely be updated. It's older devices that might never be. So this bug is going to be around for a long time. Or you're cheating up the issue that when vulnerabilities like this are found that impact nearly every device, the industry needs a better way to respond. Yeah. This was fascinating, gentlemen. I know I didn't have much to contribute, but I was listening very intensely. Well, how do you feel? Do you feel better or worse about this? Both, kind of. Now, I just feel like it's out there. As Patrick was saying earlier, we're never truly safe. I think that's just a society we live in now and the world that we're getting accustomed to is having this idea that, well, nothing is truly safe or secure and permanent. It's just about knowing how to best protect yourself and secure your data and understand how the information is being used and where it is out there in the world and doing the best to stay in front of it as much as possible. Tell you what, I have two thoughts before we leave. The first is, today is good news. This is the system working. The mitigations to defend yourself are all the things you should have been doing anyway. So if you've been following those good practices, you're okay. The other good news is that this is the good people finding something that was really difficult to find. The researcher who found this said he was actually goofing off when he should have been finishing another report and just staring at code when he started to realize, like, wait a minute, I think I could get around that. I could reset keys and that led to this entire paper. This is what you want. You want obsessive, talented people looking at this code and finding this stuff and telling vendors and manufacturers and then telling you before it's out in the wild. Also, my second point here is that I think tech thing should have a new segment called patch rick, where you talk about the importance. That's good. We bricked an arrow patching it recently to the latest stuff for a more upgrade. Ouch. Bricked it. Bricked it. Yeah, they did and all of them, all the other ones, successfully updated except for one which died and then killed everything in the house. You're not the only one that's, the rest of the network kept running, but I managed to brick one during an update too. Well, and real quickly, last point before we wind this up, that reminds me, Patrick, the last tech thing, you did a bit on those mesh networks and routers and such. Do those help because they put front and center the idea of like, hey, here's your app. Here's what's going on. You can check and see if you've got the latest firmware and if it's patched and everything. Well, I mean, the interesting thing about the mesh network is right now, it's because they are so expensive compared to sort of an entry level router. They are receiving a great deal of attention from the companies and that means I think that they have more resources to get updates. Where they will be two to three years from now is an entirely different question. But yeah, at this point, I'm actually kind of digging in some of those. The favorite thing for me is like, for example, we're talking about Robert Herron, my partner in AVXL. He maintains his mom's network which is on an Amplify HD router and he can basically pop up his phone and be like, okay, everything's running great. Oh, I can do this update. What's this weird thing attached to the network? Oh, it's the insulin pump or whatever it is. So in that sense, it's nice because you can do all that stuff remotely and you can check on that. So that may be more of an advantage if you're doing a lot of parent tech support. But at this point, all of them are so expensive, I think the companies are doing a very good job maintaining them. We'll know a lot more over the next like month as we see how long it takes or if companies roll out updates for these. Well, thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit. You can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show. Thank you Veronica Belmont as well. Where can people find more of what you got going on? Well, we have the entire season of season one of IRL available for download now at irlpodcast.org and we are working on new content. We're wrapping up episode one of season two coming soon. I think we're going to have a mid-season episode as well. So in between the launch of season two, we'll have something new for you guys as well. And thank you Patrick Norton. You mentioned daviexcel.com with Robert Herron, of course techthing.com with Shannon Morse. But you're part of that whole hack five family over there.  Actually, this week, hack fives got a gear launch event. They've sold all the tickets for that but it's going to be live streamed for that. But if you go to hackfive.org slash rsvp or to me hackfive.org slash live the event will be live streamed with hack five releases quote three new devices at the quote hack five gear event. So if you're interested in pen testing tools and network security and you probably are if you listen to this podcast, keep an eye on hack five dot org slash live on Friday. To make sure I had my ducks in a row on the story and one of the things he mentioned is that they are both adding and patching the pineapple right now because the whole point of the pineapple is to pen test Wi-Fi networks. So they're like, well, we've got to be able to execute the crack hack on pineapple. So you can tell if a Wi-Fi network is vulnerable. If you're using it, you're relying on it. But he's like, but the pineapple is also vulnerable because it's a device with an operating system like every other device. Isn't that great? I don't know. The Wi-Fi Alliance had a great sort of press, you know, blog press release on this. We're like, we're very thankful that somebody found this and pointed it out and worked with all of our partners to help implement, you know, updates to this rather than just exploiting it in the wild or selling it to the NSA. That was cool. Hey, Daily Tech News Show continues to bring you shows like this one because you support us in doing so. Last month, you showed incredible support in allowing us to get to our next milestone. We had our first DTNS Labs episodes in the feed this weekend. But as happens, we have nine fewer patrons than we did at the beginning of this month. And mostly, people are saying it's because of financial difficulties. So if you haven't supported the show and you can afford a dollar a month and can pick them up, help us out. Get us to our goal. Our monthly goal is always to get just one more patron than last month. At the very least, go to patreon.com slash DTNS if you can help us do that. Our email address is feedback at dailytechnewshow.com. We're live Monday through Friday, 4.30 p.m. Eastern, 2030 UTC at alpha geek radio.com and diamondclub.tv. And our website is dailytechnewshow.com. Back tomorrow with Patrick Beja. Talk to you then. Roger, when Roger unmuted his microphone, everything went bananas. Hey, congratulations. Oh, Roger.  Hey, congratulations, you guys, for 10 years of Sword and Laser. Oh, thank you.  That's amazing. We were kind of the same way, too. We kind of discovered it because of the listener. And we're like, is that for real? All right, how's that? Yeah, you're better. Well, I don't know what the deal is. I do kind of... Well, it's better. It sounds better now. Yeah, it's just a weird hangout issue. And I don't know why it keeps happening to you, because they're trying to put me out of the store. Are you... Is your Chrome up to date? Or are you on a different browser, maybe? Yeah, no, I updated everything. It's all up to date as the manufacturer or creator would like. The creator. All right, titles. Fuzzy Logic Rice Cooker. Patrick blows the whistle. It's only with Sunny with Roger. I'm a little fuzzy on the logic. Crack the electric hand buzzer of WPA2 Handshake. Patch everything. Use HTTPS already. Just say no to Crack. Crack is WPA... Defendant says he's Irish. DOJ disagrees. But he said he was Irish. Patrick Norton, the Statler and Waldorf of Tech. Those are the two old guys in the Muppet Show. Roger and I would be the Statler and Waldorf of Tech. Wireless Pathetic Authorization. Stellar Blockchain Launch with IBM. Have Warrant U Travel? Sue me, I'm Irish. Wear that t-shirt. I don't think Patrick's Day. Wi-Fi, no fun. Pairing that in a Dropkick Murphy's instead of, you know, Kiss Me and Delete Faced. WPA2, where are you? Hectronauts, Wi-Fi. Hectronauts. You probably won't be hacked. For God's sakes, calm down, people. You just really... What's funny is, you know, I limit myself on what headlines I look at and what people have read on Twitter, and I had not seen that much crazy reaction. Natasha Lomas had an excellent article at TechCrunch, and Verge had excellent articles as well. Dan Gooden's Ars Technica article was rock solid. Like, none of them were flying off the handle. They were all very responsible. But that's because I was looking at those three sources, not everywhere else. It was funny. I'm part of the reason I was so aware of this, because a couple security folks did really nice write-ups, or they were just like, you know, this is not... Because the titles, I can't remember the first title, it's basically like, WPA2 is broken, and you're in trouble, kind of like... What was that from, though? That's just... Because that's... Clickbait. No, I know why I did it. But I mean, I did not see that in the sources I normally follow. Hold on. Well, you're also probably... Well, I think this is one of the services that DTS provides, is that we read stuff so you don't have to. But another thing we can do is kind of help people to understand where they should be looking for trustworthy and reliable reporting. Wifi crack is whack. A lot of crack ones. Holy grail of insulin delivery. Insulin delivery. Cryptographic crack. Double secret four-way handshake. Yeah. You know, crack attack. Threatens all Wi-Fi networks. What to do? That's Tom's guide. Got Wi-Fi? You're prone to hacking. Tom's guide? Well, threatens all Wi-Fi networks. That's the edge. Crack. Wi-Fi's go-to security, WPA2 is fatally flawed, and will probably never be patched in many places. Okay, that's just wrong. Well, it's not wrong because a lot of inexpensive devices will never receive an upgrade. It will probably never be patched, implies that no one will ever patch it. And that's the part I take issue with. All right. Oh, so what do you like as a title? If any crack related? I'm going to let you guys pick the title because I am busy trying to clean up the end of this where the music got all crappy. Veronica, any preferences, Patrick? I like fuzzy logic race quicker. I just don't know if it really has much to do with the episode. Fuzzy logic and the crack attack? Fuzzy crack attack. It's kind of a hack. Crack attack. Because alliteration works so well for SEO. Nothing is safe. Crackpocalypse now. Oh, Crackpocalypse now. It's just a reused title from the late 80s. Yeah, I wasn't aware of that. WPA2 insecure. Is there anything ever too secure? WPA cracked again. I have to give up this conference room. All right. So you choose crack the electric hand buzzer of WPA2 handshake? I'll see you guys later. Bye, Pat. Bye, guys. Take care. I like that just because I think it's the longest. It's actually a longer title name than I would come up with. What do you think, Tom? Like I said, I'm not even paying attention to anything you're saying right now because I'm trying to edit this. All right, audience, you might get vote for it. Crack the electric hand buzzer of WPA2 handshake from JT0. What's the website for the titles? showbot.tvshowbot.tv showbot.tvshow.tv No, just showbot.tv as a .tv domain. And just say no, Crack has seven votes. That's a good one as well. Just say no to Crack. Just say no to Crack has eight votes. That wasn't me voting on it. Nine votes. Let's climb it up there. Ten votes. It's pulling away from Fuzzy. Oh, just say no to Crack has 11 votes. It's always sunny with Roger Chang. Seven fuzzy logic rice cooker, eight. Sounds like a horse race. No, don't blow the whistle. Oh, just say no to Crack 12. I was thinking just say no to Crack. Just say no to Crack. Sounds like that's the one that most people are going. That's the one I keep hearing you say most often. Just say no to Crack. Yeah, is that where we're going? We're one of the multitude of levels regardless of context. Good message no matter what you think it means. Yes. There you have it. If you're a concrete pourer, just say no to Crack. Fuzzy logic rice cooker, picking up speed. You know, those things, I don't know. I've used one before. I wasn't impressed. Spend 30 bucks on a good standard rice cooker, you'll be fine. But make sure to steam the seal pot. Okay, right? Yeah, K-R-A-C-K. Yes. There's not like an extra something in there. Consonant, vowel, so hot. Pat Rich. Oh, pat, patch, rake. Patrick. That is a good, that could be like a monthly thing. It could be like your character that comes out is like, you know, raises awareness for the importance of that. Yeah, but you have to wear like that. Blannon or Patrick. You'll have to wear like overall. Patsy leprechaun of joy. And then have a trowel. You definitely have to wear something with patches on it. Have a trowel so you can patch over things. Maybe a tweed jacket with leather patches.  That when you blow into the pipe bubbles come out at the other end. What's a real bubble pipe? Yeah, it's a fake tobacco pipe. Yeah, it's a fake bubble pipe. It's complicated. This is complicated. Oh, just saying how to crack is up to 16. Bloody laws of rice cooker, 11. Oh my goodness. What on earth? Sorry. Title just spontaneously started playing something. In your head. No, yes. A song I happen to like, but I was making it very complicated. Oh, 17 to 12. I say first one to 20. Oh, I already picked. I already picked just say no to crack. Oh, I'm already done. But that was an electoral college. You could still have the winner of the popular vote. I'm not going there. It's become a running bit on the titles. The show title is not a democracy. We take advisements from our panel. It's more like a corporate governance thing. We'll take it on advisement, but it's a referendum. It's not a binding vote. It's a postal vote. We'll see how you want to vote before you actually get to vote. Oh my goodness. It's a plebiscite. Is that what it's called when you? Is that? Yeah, a plebiscite where you canvass the population at large. Yeah. So how would you like to vote on this measure before you actually get to vote on the measure? What a waste. Plebiscite, the direct vote of all the members of an electorate on an important public question, such as a change in the Constitution. Oh, no, this is not a plebiscite. What's the one that they're doing in Australia for game marriage? They just call it a postal vote. But to non-bindings. I think referenda are usually non-binding, no? Except in California. That's true. The referendum votes here are binding. Because Brexit was non-binding. It was just a referendum. A referendum, a term used by any ballot measure to be voted on by the people can be an initiative or a referendum, a brand new law or constitutional amendment and voted on by the people in California. Initiatives can be proposed by the legislature or by the people through the direct initiative process. So a referendum can be binding or non-binding. It doesn't imply that in the name. Yeah, it depends on where you are and what you're voting for. Is there a name that implies the non-binding aspect in the word itself? A non-binding referendum. Without adding non-binding. Non-binding chats. Non-binding resolution. Non-binding blue. Wow, I'm finding it fascinating that the Google results in this are almost equally split between what you get past non-binding resolution. It all goes down to basically like 50% Puerto Rico, 50% Kurds, Venezuelans, and well, Kurds. One Venezuelan, the rest is all Kurds. It's Kurds and Puerto Ricans all the way down. And it sounds like Catalonia. Don't forget Catalonia. It just sounds like New York for some reason. Yes, I like this. Ken from Chicago says, I am the single member of our electoral college and I can be a faithless elector if I want. The following U.S. states allow legislatively referred state statues or referendums. I can ask you the word that means it's a vote, but we don't have to follow it. A non-binding referendum. A non-binding referendum, yeah, exactly. Well, it looks like Sarah's got her stuff finally figured out, which of course is always the way with technical issues. Well, it was a good show. Yeah, it would have been great to have Ron, but we did well. You guys did well. I just sort of hung out in the background lurking. You did a lot. I'm going to hold a non-binding referendum. Non-binding CHAPs. It'll be like a Depeche Mode cover band. Your own personal CHAPs. Hey, CHAPs. Okay, here we go. Referendum. The word you've entered isn't in the thesaurus. Thesauri. Apparently, I need a better thesauri. Thesaurus, this is. Thesaurus. Love that. Oops, it was on. So stop watching our silly thing if you're watching live and go check out twitch.tv slash Rock Pants because we're almost done anyway. In fact, thanks everybody for watching and hanging out with us. And we will talk to you tomorrow. Good bye. Bye, everybody.


We invite you to enjoy life, life with Luigi, a new comedy show created by Psy Howard and starring that celebrity actor, Mr. J Carol Nage with Alan Reed. Luigi Vasco left Italy to start his new life in America. He promised his mother that he would write her and tell her about his adventures. So now we look over Luigi's shoulder as he writes another letter to Mama Vasco in Italy. Dear little Mama Mia, it's now almost one year I'm in America and everything is a new and exciting. Like a traffic system they got here in Chicago. Streets is a full of people and cars. In our little town in Italy it's always so traffic.  I'm going to remember how every day a goat to run over somebody. Over here isn't much safer. I'm in Chicago one year and I'm going to never see anybody get a hit by a goat. Mama Mia, I explain to you traffic system in America is a very simple. Here they have lights. Red lights mean the cars are stopped but people are gone. Green light means the cars are gone. People are stopped. It's nice and simple. The trouble is Mama Mia in the middle they got a yellow light. I'm here one year still I don't know what is the meaning of yellow light. First I think is maybe to keep away mosquitoes. Then I'm going to stand on the corner and watch and watch and watch and watch and now I think I know yellow light is it to mix up everybody and to give a cup enough time to hand out the tickets. Mama Mia, sometimes when I think about this traffic system I think America is a very good but maybe it's safer for a man in Italy. Goats don't have offenders. This reminds me of our countryman Pascuali who has a spaghetti palace an exit door to my antique store and who bring me to this country.  Pascuali he's got what they call here a single track of mine and Rosa she is the super chief. Like it this morning my door open and Luigi my friend hello Luigi hello hello. Hello Pascuali.  Luigi what brings you to my classroom it's something I want to talk to you about but the first here's an apple what a lovely red apple miss Balding if I have a my way I bring you ten apples every day in a one a month or you'll have a your own a push cart mr. Luigi it's nice of you to think of me that way miss Balding I'm always to think about you I remember when I first started in your night to school a class somebody tells me how much little salary you make you know since to that day I'm a come up to school with the my own chalk Luigi that wasn't necessary and remember last the Christmas the whole class it chips in and abyssal fountain pen and you found the one extra present handkerchief that handkerchief with your out of a my own pocket I pay for it to myself mr.  Luigi I wouldn't be an American if Columbus hadn't discovered this place haha Pasquale is the wrong tonight do we go tonight the club oh I'm sorry mr. Luigi but I have another date for tonight oh you sure you tell the truth maybe you think I can't afford not at all that the fellow I'm going out with tonight's very poor he doesn't have a penny always another school teacher for as important for me I must to get American a girl for tonight why tonight because of Pasquale he's a say I know kind of get American a girl now mr. Luigi it's easy to know girls have you seen any American girls you like sure I see then it's very simple why don't you call one of them up how just use your phone book thank you my teacher miss Balding I do it miss Pauling it says the use of the phone book sounds funny but I use it Chicago telephone the directory classified let me say girls I look under a G got a bitch of disposal got him in the bags of gas that's a generator now I'm getting a close girdles glass my mummy or where's are the girls that's the funny is an old list of four girls must be all out of town a tray of the telephone a book here's a lot of names American the telephone a book I must have before a good American and I look or who the hand president is one sinner or a wit by genuine John Lou Krauss Meyer Smith that's a good I think I look up nice American name Mary Smith huh let me see Mary Smith Mary Smith Mary Smith Mary Smith Mary Smith Mary must be very popular girl to have a name in a so many times and the look good all the different addresses that she's a guy from a mere people can't get a place to live with this a girl that she's got a hundred apartment well I think I call her up I show for squally I find American a girl tonight hello Mary Smith this is a Luigi Bosco can you go out on a date with me tonight this is Mr. Smith what are you saying well I try not a girl I get a different American and then John's Betty John's that's a nice hello hello is it this a miss a Betty John's yeah this is a Luigi no not Luigi I'll cut it lowly want to get back I'm a never went over telephone isn't out the boss of Luigi Bosco you're not kidding no he's a funny thing in America nobody says a goodbye well it looks like a per squalys are going to win as a bet I'm going to try one more girl oh here's a nice name Susie Brown I tried ever stand for one please I'm not calling the number I'm calling Susie Brown ever stood a 41 phone the company has a two sizes toll operator in a small operator I guess a toll operator is a for long distance listen for Luigi Bosco maybe you got the medium-sized operator your number is busy I'm a mere operator are you busy what do you mean sir well I'm going to a night the club tonight and I'd like it to know if you like it to come with me company rules then you want to go well well that's gonna be hard wait I know how you recognize me easy I'm gonna carry a balloon now for the second act of Luigi Bosco's adventures in Chicago we turn to page two of his letter to his mother in Italy so now mama Mia I'm gonna have a tonight my first to date with American a girl if you see me now mama Mia you think maybe your boy Luigi is a crazy here it is a Sunday and I'm already take a bat after bat I put on a myself for summer special stuff I buy from a barber is a very expensive of course me ten cents I have a milk bottle now now you kind of smell me all the way to Italy also to make good impression I'm gonna dress up extra special you should see my suit now look so brand new after I'm a get through washing it so now so now I'm going to tell Pasquale all about the my date with American a girl hello Pasquale are you like this my eyes you say it's a Luigi but my nose I don't believe in my eyes stop making a fun of me Pasquale I'm all addressed up before the night the club Luigi my son I'm almost forgot are you all dressed up to take out of my Rosa no I'm going to take out a telephone operator where you get a her from a telephone a company must be a new kind of service Pasquale I'm not here to argue remember what do you promise me if I get a date to myself for you perfect for the night the club that's a matter you crazy you think I'm gonna lock at a bar and when somebody's are not the going out to with a my horse this afternoon you promise me then it was impossible for you to get a girl who was a possible of for me to keep a promise now is a possible of you to get a girl is impossible for me to keep a promise you mean you're not they're gonna pay my friend I give you my answer in a two words impossible Pasquale you think you kill my good time huh well you won't I'm gonna use of my own money I'm gonna take a girl tonight the club but we eat the we drink we dance so we go home in a taxi and then maybe even I buy her a flower oh how much money you got a little man a dollar and eighty dollar ready you're big a stupider you couldn't you dollar ready sure that's a fight a fight with all of that the money you're gonna have a wonderful night you're gonna go any place to eat all you want you sure Pasquale I prove you here look at my menu and the sandwich is 20 cents with a pickle at 20 cents with a potato chips at 20 cents with a bread at 25 cents that's why people eat during the daytime night time of food are sure to be cheaper sure that's right so maybe a sandwich is only 15 cents or you order a whole a dinner in my restaurant a 65 cents in a night the club is a night to rate she may be 50 cents you think you think I can also order the wine sure why and I charge a 50 the sense it may be the only charge a nickel then I have enough to left her for a taxi sure that's right taxi is only 20 cents a mile I go only half a mile is a 10 cents sure you see Luigi you take a girl out of the night the club like a shape I read you either you drink you take a taxi you still have a 40 cents left over what are you gonna do with it so much your body let me see I know if I like a girl tomorrow night I'll take her out again I love you you like a papa to me almost well there's a five minutes after eight the wonder where's the girl I'ma stand on here with my balloon maybe she's not to come oh there's a girl with the red the shoes a black a coat oh mr. my shank here is a me I beg your pardon I'm a fella make a date with you Luigi Bosco see the balloon oh brother no not as a brother it's a me Luigi well it was a very pleasant evening goodbye oh but the lady what about the date with a night club are we gonna take me nice a quiet the place she has a Paris oh you must be really loaded appearances is certainly deceitful well what if I got to lose okay let's go right this way I have a nice table for the hey ain't you Luigi Bosco remember me Tony Manelli and Napoli my father Fisherman Tony Manelli that's all right you little boy now you're big ahead away I'm happy to see you please Luigi no kiss here okay I understand you're going with the past qualities of daughter Rosa last the time I see Rosa she's a big juicer like elephant but this little girl is she look just like a chicken don't worry Rosa's still a bigger like elephant this chicken is a somebody else well have a good time Luigi afraid to down the front the special table well a good evening a miss at the night a fellow who Luigi you certainly know the right people well you see I know him a since I'm a baby my mother used to clean a fish for his father my father there was a man every morning winter summer snow rain he get up at five o'clock in the morning to wake up on my mother to go to work it's a bigger place no right this way sir your table may I have your hat it's a no use of your take no fit to you anyway oh you're so continental excuse me while I go powder my nose order for me here's your menu sir thank you mr. waiter I'm gonna order a bigger meal now let me see first do we start to with with the waiter I think it there's a mistake in your menu what's wrong it is say here Hammers-Hanowich at $2 and to the decimal appoint in the wrong of place shoulda be 20 cents no it's right all right olives olives are $1 must to be very expensive kids lemma chops of $4 mr. you prepare a something a special for me yes yes what would you like Hammers-Hanowich it for 20 cents sir you must be joking our cover charges for dollars then it take away the tablecloth well while you're thinking it over would you like to order a drink that's what I like good good what'll it be two glasses of water what can I do I'll bring it two glasses of water 80 cent that the first quality to do this on a main purpose now what am I going to do during myself immensely what did you order for us nothing oh you're so considerate you wouldn't order without me well I know just what I want steak I was afraid of that to let you go go we just came and they have such a good floor show Danny Thomas and the following your copy listen to Peggy listen to Peggy I must tell you the truth the reason we go is it because I am my friend I love Luigi I love I love I love I see you celebrate the well it's sit down and we join you but squally we're going up but squally don't push there to stay we all have a good time let's stay Luigi oh you're here alone the Pascuali now I'm the hair with my daughter Rosa the two of us we're three chairs come here say hello to Luigi hello Luigi hello say hello to the young lady how well anything else you want me to say Papa no shut up your face Luigi we're very happy to be your guest I'm glad somebody's a happy well are we going to eat I love the food Luigi you idiot no the food here is too rich I know just what do you mean well I'm on a waiter yes sir I put this down to shrimp of cockatales two vegetable a soup but to chef a salad a two tea bowl of steak a two mash of potatoes a two string of beans two bottles of beer to Boston the cream pie two cups of coffee and a two plates ice cream will that be all no I'll have to the best supper I'm I have rid of my life a steak of potatoes and pie ice cream but what could have come after such a supper the electric chair Luigi you're wonderful a host I'm so full I could bust when I hope for you and the Ross enjoy the meal very much Tony I'm sorry Luigi don't need it because the man who pays the check he should eat it's a good idea Pascuali you eat the you pay the check now Luigi I'm not gonna take this pleasure away from you please a forcing yourself a Pascuali that's a no use Tony give a Luigi to check Tony I'm ashamed but I must and Luigi sit down Pascuali you check I'm not gonna pay Luigi's he's gonna pay oh no you eat the you pay before I pay you wash it a dish no no first you pay what a cheap a frame of food all right I pay but I'm never come here again the food is a terrible arrow sir I'll have two of the same oh shut up well attorney thank you sit down sit down Luigi don't run away I'm gonna explain why I give Pascuali the check why well six years ago Pascuali bring me to Chicago he promised me big opportunity why do you think it's a big opportunity not to tell me you're right the road while a year he make my life a miserable trying to marry me to Rosa but tonight tonight I finally get even with him and thanks up to you Luigi my culture man you welcome a Tony but please and now we have to go no no no now you and your girlfriend to sit down and eat eat yes the food is on the house thanks a Tony but if it's the same it to you please put a food on the table all right what are you gonna have I'ma let the Peggy order Peggy you favor please steak potatoes pie ice cream coffee red butter okay and a Tony one more thing what's that no water well a good night to Peggy don't go Luigi is it this American accustomed standing in a hallway yeah but don't lean on the door bell if you wake up all the neighbors Peggy I'ma tell you something it's the first time tonight I'ma go out toward American a girl tell the truth you know have a good time huh I had a wonderful time you did it I don't believe you know what I like about you Luigi you like yes every other fellow I go out with all they can think of his wrestling you're different if you like I study wrestling I'm not doing anything Tuesday night maybe you're not doing anything Tuesday night so what means that we both are not doing anything a Tuesday night no it means we have a date oh good night good night I said good night that's so what I said good night good night and so mama Mia I'ma close on this letter to tell you everything come out to good on my first date with American a girl but the maybe you think I was act a little too fresh I let the girl a kiss me also mama Mia I must say I'm a very great to fall to Alexander Graham a baller for an event thing a telephone operator PS you're a son of Luigi the little immigrant this next week at this time over most of these stations when Luigi Vasco writes another letter to mama Vasco describing his adventures in America life with Luigi is a Psy Howard production and is written by high craft and Psy Howard and stars J Carol Nash as Luigi Vasco with Alan Reed as Pasquale music is directed by Lynn Murray Bob LeMond speaking this is CVS the Columbia Broadcasting System