Good morning, everyone. How is everybody doing this morning? We have myself, Greg and Mags, today. And if you guys didn't know, we're having Greg on today for a little special feature on a new app he created. Pretty cool. Let's see who's here. Who's here at the moment? Your mama. My mama's here. So we have Tommy and Kay and Thomas and then my mom. And we have Chris F. What was Chris? We have June. Hello, June. Hi, Karen. June says hello from New Hampshire. Chris, aren't you in New Hampshire too? I feel like... Or am I crazy? New Hampshire. It is New Hampshire. Uh-oh. So, yeah. So today, we are doing things a little differently. We're going to be... Well, first we're going to start off with Greg and he's going to talk about his new app. And then he has to leave. But then Mags and I will be going into some sourcing techniques and bios and accuracies. And that's our theme for the year. Yay. It's going to be great. And hello, Pilla Littner. Littner. You say that correctly from Norway? Littner or Leitner from Norway. You probably are my cousin. And then we have Charles in here and then Catherine Hondros from New Jersey. Welcome. And if you're trying to figure out what we're doing and why we're just like... It's because we're just kind of waiting for the people who are joining to catch up. There's a bit of a lag between real time and us time. And we, you know, if we had a TARDIS, it wouldn't be an issue, but we don't. Yeah. Unfortunately, we don't. And then Lynette is here in Betsy Co. And then I forget who Anna... Is that it? Yeah, it is. My case says we are all cousins. We're all cousins. Yes, we are. So, Sans, I guess we'll go ahead and go ahead and start with what Greg is going to show us. Greg, what are you going to show us today? I'm going to show you a new app. So how about I share my screen? Okay. There it is. There it is. What is your new app? What is it? Tell us. It's called the DNA confirmation app, citation maker app. So on the right side, you'll see the app. And on the left side, I've got a little PowerPoint to guide us as I walk you through this. So what is this you might ask? So first of all, a little bit of a quick tutorial. Previously on, if you have just came back from an episode of Grandma's Jeans or something to get you into this. Previously on the DNA Wiki Show, we all know what DNA is, and I don't have time to explain that right now. But a DNA confirmation. One of the exciting things about DNA and about WikiTree is that it allows you to record. If you've taken DNA tests, the information about the tests that you've taken so that any potential cousins that you have can compare results with your results and find matches. Now DNA alone cannot prove relationships, but one powerful thing is that if you've got some genealogy that proves to people are related, DNA can confirm that relationship. I can say, yes, this is for sure the relationship between two people. And the way I like to think about it is that DNA confirmation, it can reinforce the branches of our collective family tree. And so that's what the confirmation basically is just confirming. The DNA confirms the relationship you've already proven with. And what do you have to do with a source? Any source ever, you have to have a citation to go with it. That's exactly it. And so a confirmation citation is basically that source citation that explains why you reached this conclusion and how you reached it. And it has to explain enough information that other people can follow up on that and verify it. But the cool thing about the DNA confirmations is because when you give that information, then anyone else who's investigating that, any potential cousins could use that for themselves to find out if they're related to one or two of those people who are mentioned in that source citation. So in a sense, it's another form of cousin bait. So there you go. Now, the thing is, like a lot of, especially beginning wiki-triers, writing a proper source citation of any sort can be a little complicated. And the DNA citations, they do look, when you first look at them, they can be a little overwhelming because there's so many components and they're all fairly technical and stuff. So that was one of the reasons why I thought this kind of app might be helpful. So basically, how does it work? The app will guide you through the process of creating your citation. It asks you for information piece at a time and then taking that information, it assembles it all into the verbiage that you need to include in the sources section of your profile. And it gives instructions on how to do exactly that. So I'm going to show two examples today. So here's example one. This is a cousin match that I have from Ancestry. So this is my cousin Liam. And Ancestry says that Liam is second cousin. Their predicted relationship based on their algorithm is that Liam is probably a second cousin. He shares 239 centimorgans across nine segments. And that information was in the Ancestry DNA matches. Now, this screenshot, in case you're wondering because it doesn't look like what you would see on a web page, this screenshot actually came from my Ancestry app that I used in my iPad as I was preparing for this. So that's why it may look a little different than your Ancestry matches, but it's all the same information. It's just formatted a little different. So now the other thing, because my tree in Ancestry and Liam's match each other, Ancestry with one of their tools also predicted that our relationship is this, which is actually exactly the relationship that we have proven that we are related to each other. So this is in fact what we have proven genealogically. This is how we're related. So we have a common great, sort of great-grandparents. So Dona Cloutier is my great-grandfather and Maria Gostin Trudel, his wife, is our common great-grandmother. So this is the genealogical proof and the DNA that Ancestry has confirmed that we are, in fact, second cousins. So now, how do I take this information and use the app? So on the app, I'm going to, step one is to put in who is the DNA tester. So there's my WikiTree ID, and then now Liam isn't on WikiTree right now, so I'm just going to put, I'm just going to put LiamD, his name. And then, next, and so then the next step is I have to explain now how am I related, or what's the common ancestor that Greg and Liam have? And so our common, you see, I've gone through this before already. Our common ancestor is my great-grandparents and then I choose, I've got a dropdown list because it's connected to WikiTree database. There's a list of all my possible great-grandparents and it's actually Dona and Maria Gostin. So I pick them and then I go next. And now, so that is the relationship I have to our most common, most recent common ancestors. Now I have to tell the app what is Liam's connection. So they're his great-grandparents as well. And then the app will show you a little mini tree and what you have to do is check the tree and does that match the other information that you have genealogically? Now I just happen to have these two side-by-side so that's kind of handy. Because I logged in to WikiTree, it knows exactly my path. It doesn't know Liam because he's not in WikiTree. So I do have to fill in and choose some buttons there. And then once I've done that, then I can click Next. And then the next step, now this is important because if you can't answer yes to all three of these questions, then you haven't done enough research to make a valid confirmation. You need to go back and do something. So first of all, you do have to confirm that your relationship does match your traditional genealogy that you've done the work and we have done this. And has this test gone through a DNA testing company or a third-party site like Jetmatch? And that is true. It's gone through ancestry. And the third one is, does the predicted relationship from the company match the relationship that you have proven from your traditional genealogy? And in this case, it's a bang-on match because answers to you said we were second cousins. Our genealogy research has proved that we're second cousins as well, so it's bang-on. So I can say yes, go on to the next. Then, so the next thing is, you just fill in the details of the match. And as you can see, I was testing this before we did this. So I've already pre-filled this in, but you pick your company from this drop-down. You put in the amount of the match, which was 239 centimorgans. And you can choose either to put the amount in by centimorgans or by percentage. So some companies, like 23andMe, they like to give their, the amount of shared DNA by a percentage. So if that's how it's reported, then that's what you would choose, the number of segments. And then you put down what the prediction is from the company, because that's important information as well. And we click on next. And this is the final stage. So here, it tells you exactly what to do to write down your, or to record the confirmation. So there's two steps to it. Basically, the first one is that you have to actually go to the wiki profile and click on these buttons that change the option or that define how the parents are related. Because the confirmations actually go from child to parent. So you go to the child's profile and this confirmation, this confirms that this child is in fact the DNA is related by DNA through the mother or the father. In this case, because it's a couple, it's to both the mother and the father. So our most common ancestor, as you remember, was Dona Plutier and Maria Augustine Trudel. So her, their daughter, my grandmother, Jermaine Plutier. So we go to her page and you can just click on this right here in the app and it'll automatically open up her page and I'm going into edit mode and you see here along the side right now I was confident that Dona and Maria Augustine were Jermaine's parents but now because of this match I know for a fact that the DNA proves that they are so we're confirming that. So I'm going to click on these radio buttons here and then, so that's step one. That's telling wiki tree that we're confirming that relationship. Step two is putting in the citation itself. So if we scroll down, there's the citation. Oh, yeah. It looks a little like gobbledygook, right? It's, you know, you don't really want to have to type in all this stuff. There's squarely brackets there because there's a special template for ancestry. There's square brackets so that you get a nice wiki tree link but all that information that we typed in is right there. So we can copy that. I'm going to click the big copy. It's highlighted to give you a sort of visual clue that it's been copied. We'll see that it's done, yeah. Okay. And then when I go back to my profile I'm going to go, where's the profile? There we go. And right at the very bottom there we have in the sources section. So at the bottom of the sources section I'm just going to paste. On my keyboard here I'm hitting command V to paste. And there it is right there. And then the, there's sort of a third step because you do have to put up and explain your changes. You always have to document what change you've made to a profile. So I'm saying adding citation, source citation for DNA confirmation. How fun. Oh, that was pretty easy, right? Yeah. Yes. Okay. I'm going to save that. Boom. Okay. So we did have a quick question from Chris. It says, what if it says your fourth through sixth cousins on ancestry but yet your third cousins on the paper trail? Well, from what I understand is if the, the company prediction does not match with your own genealogy, then you didn't need to do more genealogy. You need to, those two have to be in line or there has to be some explanation. Now, it's possible that you might, I've often seen the reverse that ancestry says that they're closer than they really are because if you're related multiple ways, like you may be actually fourth cousins, but it says you may be second cousins once removed, but that's because you share multiple great-great-grandparents or something like that. Right. And Karen had a comment before about there might be a higher centimorgans because of an endogamy in an area. So endogamy could affect that predicted relationship as well. Yeah. And my French-Canadian side is full of that. I've got so many matches on ancestry, you know, and some of them, like we're cousins, but, you know, I'm cousins with Justin Trudeau as well, you know, but we don't have that on weekends. Like nine or 11th or something. I didn't see them the drop-down, just, Jedmatch is an option. Jedmatch is not. Okay, because I know that some people, they've taken to some different sites, but then they're, then they put it on, you know, Jedmatch, so, okay. Yeah. And Peter Roberts has done a nice video, which we were going to share, and he uses Jedmatch to go through how he uses this tool for a citation, so that was nice. Now I'm going to do one more quick example, and then I do have to go. Okay. But let me show you my second example. So my second example, this is a cousin. My match is with him on MyHeritage, but I know, I recognize his name, and he is actually on WikiTree. He has a profile on WikiTree, and from our genealogy work, I know that he's the great-grandson of Descray-La-Bonté and Marie-Josephine Dumont. So, and here's all the information about the match from MyHeritage. So, now let's see. I don't remember his, well actually I do remember what his, his WikiTree profile, or login is, so I may just go straight to that. Can you make your website screen bigger so everybody can see that, unless you need the, the slide on the side? I'll make that a little bit bigger. Okay. Or shorter. The opposite of bigger. Okay. So I'm going to go back to step one. Okay. And now this, the DNA tester, is going to be Claude Laurentier. Now I happen to know what his WikiTree ID is from here. If I didn't know how to do that, then what I could do is I can go to my family tree. I know that he is the great-grandson of Descray and Marie-Josephine. So I could click on Descray and then go to look under his descendants. There would be Claude. And if I clicked on Claude, I could see that his ID is 166. And then I could actually copy that. See, I copied the wrong one. But anyways, that's another way of getting that information. So I put this in. And then, now the funky thing about this is because this is connected to the WikiTree database, remember those, those middle two steps, steps two and three that I had done with Liam, I had to say how I was related to our most common picture and then how Liam was related. Well, because we're both on WikiTree, I don't have to do that. It automatically gives me the mini tree that shows how I and Claude are related to each other. So that saves some time. And I'm going to go next. I still have to answer these three questions and they are still all yeses. And now I do have to put in this. Now this is from my heritage. So I put that. And it is now 220. It's a 49 centimorgans across 10 segments. And it says we are first cousin, twice removed, to second cousin, once removed. Okay. And then here it is. So now we can add the confirmation to Descreer les bantais and Marie-Josephine du Mont. So again, it gives me the person's page that I have to edit. So I click on that, go into edit mode. And so I can confirm that Descreer and Josephine are the parents. And then I click down here. There is our citation. I can put that in. This one. Here. Down far enough. Raise that in. And one more thing that this, yay, wasn't it? Now, if you're Matt, if you've got a cousin on WikiTree, this makes it even easier to do. And this is up to third cousin. This doesn't go to third cousin. Yeah, this version of it will work when you can have one match with another. And that does only work. And this is all just autosomal. Autosomal, yeah. If you have a match that is fourth cousin or beyond or third cousin once removed or more removed, then you need to use triangulation. And when I leave, Maddox could explain more about that later. But there is one last thing I want to show you so we have just where was let me click on Claude and I'm going to go to here. My relationship to Claude. So it's going to show here's how we're related. We're second cousins once removed. There's Claude's path to Desperé, our great-grandfather, and my path. And you can see now my path is DNA confirmed all the way up to him. Claude's path is not confirmed or we haven't done it on WikiTree, but because of this relationship we can. We can confirm this because it works both ways. And in the app, look what happens. I've got a bonus section. Oh, bonus. So all of those other relationships between the most common ancestor and the two test makers, you can get all of those extra confirmations right here. So you can go for every step. So every parent-child step in that ladder. You can do it. You know, it's so exciting. Boom. And there's a quick link to each of the profiles. So you don't even have to go hunting in WikiTree to find where the profiles are. You just click, boom, copy, paste, putting your reason, make sure you put the reason in, and that's for a few weeks. And Peter and I have been testing it a lot and having some input. It's just amazing the things that Greg has been able to do for the DNA innovators project. DNA innovators. But the bonus, that's great.  That's awesome. I'm going to go confirm some stuff now. I've never done that before. I'm going to go confirm stuff with DNA. I'm going to put a post about this on G2G when I get back. In my other life, I'm a music director for a church and I have to go play for a funeral right now. So I really don't want to be late for the late person whose funeral I'm playing for. Yeah, that was bad. He's musical and... So I wish I could stick around and talk and answer any things in the comments but I will watch this on replay and... I should fess up. I found one little bug this morning just before it went live. So if you wouldn't mind waiting until I do the post this afternoon on G2G, I just want to make sure that it's... I don't want a different experience to have a bug. Yes. Awesome. Thank you, Greg. Yay. Thank you. If Greg's going to put by Greg, you can go, Greg. It's okay. In the G2G post, you're going to put the link to the video as well, right? I will, yeah. Can I put a link to this video because... Yeah, sure. No, we don't want you to link to yourself. Have a good service and we'll hear from you later. Bye. Well, that's exciting. That is exciting. And if you guys do have questions, you can post them in that G2G post that Greg will post. Maybe I'll pin it. I don't know. Just look for it. Keep an eye out for it. I'll probably post it on Facebook and stuff too for you guys. But that's exciting. DNA confirmations have always just been so I just never have done it. He had to pick and pull lots of information from lots of different places. It's not like citing a book. There's a lot of moving parts that go into it. It's great that Greg has been able to do this. And as he expands this app, he'll be expanding it to include higher levels of confirmations as well. Are there any quick questions about this? Someone was asking, I guess, about the triangulation. Is there anything extra to do with someone that is triangulating with you? And I think Greg is working on... Yeah. We're going to be working on that part as well. That has a few more working parts. It has three people involved and that's something that Greg's going to be working on in the future to be able to do the triangulated sections for on down the line. You do this for each cousin. You have a DNA match that confirms the same ancestor. If you have three cousins from the same family who are confirming the same ancestor, you really only need one. You could do all three, but it would just take up space in your sources section on your profile, which we're going to be talking about profiles. Yes. And then I just wanted to say we have Steve watching. If you guys don't know, Steve is our new team member on Week Tree. Hi, Steve. Steve. Team Week Tree. So now we'll go into our other part, which kind of is the same of accuracy and sourcing and all of that. But we'll start off with talking about our profiles of the week so we can actually be looking at the profiles of the week as they are usually beautifully written, sourced and biode. So there are several jets this week in honor of Women's History Month. One quick question here from Chris. Yes, the very first example he gave was for somebody who was not a member of Week Tree. So yes, it will work. Sorry, go ahead. That's okay. So we have our suffragettes. So we're going to go through them. What is a suffragette? A suffragette is someone who works towards, for women's suffrage. So the right to vote. And we have a lot of people, a lot of women on this list that are in not just the United States. We have some from New Zealand, England. I think there was one from Norway. Maybe I didn't remember correctly. But we'll go through all of them really quickly. Our first one and our main one is Kate Shepard from New Zealand. She was born in England but she was as famous in New Zealand and she was New Zealand was the first country to introduce universal suffrage in the first country for women to get the vote and it was pretty much thanks to Kate Shepard her work had considerable impact on women's suffrage movements in several other countries. So and then we'll just look at her profile really quickly because we're this year is our year of accuracy and right now we are working on genealogy guest stars trees for the WikiTube Challenge and it's important that we are putting our best foot out there and creating nice bios they're accurately sourced we're sourcing them correctly and so I think looking at these profiles and other profiles and how to source and write biographies is important so that's what kind of what we're doing today so adding little pictures stickers now you might not have every bio you write be long like this but still having a little snippet of their life with sources a citation attached is always welcome so that is Kate Shepard she has a very long bio very well written so and it's there's lots of money on it because she's on the New Zealand I know the New Zealand project was very excited we're very excited that she was featured so next we have is Mary Lee from Ireland and you guys go ahead and figure out what your relationships are to these people and find out who your closest relationship is she was an Irish Australian suffragist so there's suffragette and suffragist and I learned the difference between these I won't go into it too much but for you guys if you want to look up the difference there is a difference oh for suffrage the different terms for it so where was I so she was a social reformer in South Australia in the first Australian state in which women gained the right to vote in state elections and the first in the world where women could be elected members of parliament so and you see here on her profile we got some stickers and people love stickers they make the little bling to your profiles and then we have a suffragette movement sticker so did Kate have that on there no she doesn't have the sticker on there darn gotta put a sticker on there for her then we have different where you were born stickers like she was born in Ireland and then we have people put snippets of newspaper clippings and you see we have a whole bunch of little citations you can see me highlighting them I guess a little bit proof of where the information came from which is very important that's called sourcing which was what kind of Greg was talking about it was that's right of course you want to know where your information came from and you want it to be as specific as possible so somebody else can go back and find exactly what you found so next on our list is Marguerite de Witt Schlumberg think I did really good thank you you might have practiced beforehand so she was a French philanthropist and feminist and she was president of the French Union for Women's Suffrage and she was awarded the leading of honor for her work during World War I and then we have summer and look sometimes we write their bio in their native language we can definitely do that so if you speak not English, different language and you know this one I know Isabel she'll do this a lot and other people from the profiles that are part of their project that are not English wasn't their native language writing their biography in their native language is important for cousin bait and to get more people in that aren't native English speakers yes cousin bait exactly you see their sources here I can't have no idea what they say but I feel like it's pretty exact you have looks like there's marriage there and it probably has the type of marriage and the page marriage the type of stop it Mags struggling a little bit because the French is throwing me off so that it's a marriage where I guess the archives and looks like there's a page there page number but being exact because even though maybe we can't click on a link to find it if we wanted to find it and we spoke French we would be able to find it if we wanted to next on our list is Irene Marriott she was born in England and in Canada she was a Canadian women's farm leader activist and politician she was one of the five women who became known as the famous five who asked the Supreme Court of Canada to answer the question does the word persons in section 24 of the British North American Act include female persons hehehe got her a fancy hat let's see let's look at her profile, we got some more stickers we have the suffragette sticker on here and also what's always really important is adding the if you're linking to if you're talking about other people that's not her linking to their wiki tree profile so people know who you're talking about and wonderful little snippets of their profile show up when you hover over and then sources a lot of encyclopedia because we don't have any actual records for her but we have defined a grave love next we have Catherine Hepburn Hepburn that was a bit difficult you are but I probably am too or she goes by Kit Hepburn when she co-founded the Hartford Equal franchise league in 1913 and later she joined the national women's party she earned an A-B in history and political science and a master's degree in chemistry and physics and she was the mother of the famous actress Catherine Hepburn, wait hold on I skipped did I skip something? No I don't think I did but there we go and she also was crusading leadership in birth control movement there you go one of the kids in the picture is Catherine Hepburn that's fun so we see her children listed here so it would have been nice if we could probably put the links to each of the children's profiles in there as well while they are up here at the top it's always nice to kind of include it in the bio as well let's see so we have more sources so we have a census source here taken from FamilySearch using FamilySearch is usually the best because all of their records are free to view for everybody but sometimes there are records that are just behind a paywall unfortunately so if you are using a source that's behind a paywall you want to still give as much information as possible like it does for FamilySearch hopefully we will see an example unfortunately Ancestry does not lay out a beautiful citation like FamilySearch does for us so you have to put a little bit more legwork making a source so next we have Will Hamina Lensing or Drucker during her whole life she lectured about equality of men and women and the right of education and work for women and world peace and she was in the Netherlands I think that's where I was thinking of Norway I don't know the N word they are both N words so we have the two sources here too one from FamilySearch it looks like and one from a Netherlands based one is it behind a paywall though let's see let's click it see what happens no it's not loading oh no very slow oh look we can just see it that's great maybe oh it's a newspaper nice yes well I was going to say something in regards to FamilySearch also has giving us permission to copy the archives the images for their archives into WikiTree with proper obviously telling putting the source there from FamilySearch yadda yadda yadda but we do have permission from them so you are able to put pictures of sources on there but don't fill in the whole profile page no we don't need their whole will on every single WikiTree no but if something pertinent you know that you want to put on there maybe the death record or something you're more than welcome so next on our list is Emilyne Pinkhurst and Golden which is kind of like Golden I kind of kind of I don't know is this any relation really to no not really okay got to have that even there oh the O and the A make a big difference so Emilyne she let a passionate group of women who often clash with police and the public they disrupt they disrupted public meetings broke shop windows and set post boxes and buildings on fire those terrible during demonstrations outside the houses of parliament there was violence and arrests and and oh so the police were accused in behaving with unnecessary brutality and the 18th became known as Black Friday she was arrested various times yep so part of it she was in England she was English suffragette British suffragette and her her profile has a lot of stickers and photos let's see her sources I want to show an ancestry one well there will probably be one somewhere I have a few example profiles as well next is Aletta Jacobs from the Netherlands can you explain what you mean by not filling the source with family search links there along we were talking about the links we were talking about the yeah the photo yeah if you snip if I copy something over to be able to show an entry I usually just do a snippet of the entry but some people would like to be able to put the entire image up and if you can't do that on the profiles very easily and if you do it a lot there's not much there other than sources you want to have some beef to the biography which we're going to be talking about shortly so yeah so just put up images wisely especially source images you know we don't also thinking about how much space it takes up as well you know we're well we have a big server you know we're not an image hosting site either we're more of a genealogy site so be wary like we said you don't need to put every single page of your ancestors 30 page will on wiki tree on their website now you're able to transcribe it on a free space page if you want to yes so next we have so like I said Aletta Jacobs from the Netherlands she was the first touch female that graduated at the University of the Netherlands and she studied medicine and became the first touch female physician she was committed and dedicated her life to health freedom and equality of women and women's suffrage and so our father was also a doctor a lot of photos in here as well and that's early times for women being doctors too that's cool a lot of stuff in here and her sources probably a lot from the Netherlands probably some of these could be written out but they all have links and I don't think most of them are behind a paywall so just kind of think of that if you are putting a link to a source you still want to describe what it is because maybe the link dies maybe something gets re-routed re-routed that's probably not the right word re-directed re-directed and that way you can go back and search for it and find a better link or the new link for it so if you have the details of what the link is somebody can find it if that link doesn't work and the last on our list is Elizabeth Cady Stanton who kind of was best friends with Susan B Anthony um she was born and died in New York she caused the passage of a women's property bill in the New York legislature and her work as an anti-slavery advocate and claimant for women's rights she also found time to vote cause the cause of temperance she was one of the founders of loyal league and like I said she worked a lot with Susan B Anthony my thing just fell my background just fell this is a low tech low budget not a real green screen it's just a it's a tapestry a taped to my lamp so we got a little bit Cady probably could use some love with sources but those are our suffragettes that's it do we have any stop it Chris it is very professional so I wanted to show some other profile unless anybody had any questions or wanted to talk about the suffragettes we're gonna kinda go into looking at other profiles and there are sourcing help pages and how to source and if you have any yes I do need a clothespin if you have any questions about sourcing your biographies we will do that so these are a couple the next two are gonna show are actually from the week 2 challenge that our volunteers have worked on and this is an example it is it doesn't have pictures in it and you don't have to have pictures in your biography because you can't find pictures you can't find them not everybody will have photos but there is still a very nice bio lists all of the facts of the person and you see here they added because they know they got married but not really sure when so they added a citation needed that's always nice to know to let people know that we don't have a source for that fact yet and then we have some research notes here research notes you want to use if you're not sure of something you can add the notes there so the next person who comes in and looks at this profile they are able to see where you left and we have some good sources here all of them are from family search but you see that for instance this one here there is a link to an archive but then it also has everything else you need to be able to find that if that link did not work so it's always like I've said you want to have most detailed source that you can even if it's not formatted correctly maybe you don't know the order stuff supposed to go in it's a cookie from trial for somebody following along behind you yes and then we have this one this one did have some photos and also a sticker a migration sticker here and they grabbed a photo of I guess just a standard farm in that county where they lived Pip says he uses research notes a lot especially for more profiles needed and there's also a category for profiles needed as well categories are also a wonderful thing this one's very very long and if you see these citations you can see in the two we have research notes here too and then we have the sources we have see look here's an ancestry one so obviously ancestry did not give us this beautiful source because they don't do that they usually just give you oh this is the Iowa district probates from this year to this year and that's usually all you get you kind of have to put in the name of the person for the probate the year if you have the page number if there's a certificate number on there any kind of numbers there you want to put on there and this one is a death certificate which was gotten from the Ohio department of bio statistics which I guess there's no maybe wasn't found on family or ancestry but they were able to go and find it somewhere so they have the name of the person the file number and the date so you just want to extract as much information when you're sourcing and this one has a lot of sources on it and here's another one for probate from ancestry so now if I wanted to verify this source I can go like if I have an ancestry account or I can maybe find it somewhere else I can try to find that with the same information they have there well that's pretty much and we have a lot of help pages for sourcing where are they we have a sources style guide and you can find all of those in help right sources and style guide here on the side so you're able to find these quickly and these two and also shows you here how to source if you're having trouble figuring out the format for sourcing you want to you can always come here and you're also more than welcome to ask in G2G if you're having trouble formatting a source you're not sure how to source something you can ask in G2G and then biographies are also very important it's kind of what sets WikiTree apart from other sites because we're able to add that extra color and I if you're ever looking for ideas to how to do your bios we have our example help page which you're able to see like let's see let's look at this Gus Grissom let's look at his profile and you're able to see how they did it you can go into the edit tab and see how they formatted it everybody does their biographies a little bit differently none are the same I have not seen two biographies that are similar it depends on each person's life and the person and the volunteer who's writing the biography so oh but look this is not a good source oh but look maybe that's the citation but we have the full source here so that works you never want to just put a June just put up I'm going to put it up here real quick how she does a death record she for private holding death records so I'll just put that up real quick but citation needed no it's not no it's actually you do a rough tag and then do citation needed and it creates a citation needed we can actually look it's actually here in this one I think we can look at the edit tab really quickly and it shows we can see how it's done oh it's actually a little brackets yep double brackets it's template squiggly brackets and it's also if you guys don't know I don't have this turned on automatically but I like using the dance enhance editor sometimes because it makes it when you're putting in sources and links it makes it easier for you to see so I like doing that you see it kind of singles out your wait something's wrong with my mic oh mags has an echo is there an echo yep or was now it's gone I don't know so as long as everything is good now curly brackets I like that squiggly brackets curly brackets okay so also I wanted to make a note that note? a note I wanted to make a note for GEDCOMs if you are working on a profile that was a GEDCOM import you are able to delete all of the stuff that is non pertinent on there gobbledygook gobbledygook and I wonder if there is I'm pretty sure everybody knows what I'm talking about if you've seen it before basically when you import a GEDCOM it creates all of this nonsense that doesn't make any sense and a lot of times they'll add sources of the bottom that aren't really sources at all either you have to look through because sometimes those sources especially from ancestor have a citation embedded in the big paragraph that they have but you can delete everything else and then create a citation just for that GEDCOM and identify the person who uploaded it there's no way they're going to know what they had and what GEDCOM from 2011 but you might be able to go back and find out more information if you actually know who uploaded the GEDCOM I always do that in the acknowledgement sections of the source we also have a help page on GEDCOM creative biographies so you kind of know what is okay to delete and what is not or what needs to be checked because there are the links to ancestry profiles or links to ancestry that you want to make sure are viable or not I love an accolade means hug in English for curly brackets and French accolades that's cute and this is what I was talking about a weird source that the GEDCOMs create let's see if I can zoom in zoom in man zoom it makes these ugly I hate these they're paying the butts delete but thankfully we do also have that beautiful GEDCOM cleaner is it linked on here I don't think it is but we have that GEDCOM the automatic GEDCOM cleaner app that is also amazing I feel like it should be we should have it on here for people to easily find but that is GEDCOM just delete all the junk that's there just delete it get rid of it we don't need it let's see if there's anything else I want did Steven write that one did Steven write which one the GEDCOM cleaner I don't know who wrote it off the top of my head I don't see I don't see it in the apps I'm looking in the apps place how like the A, D, A, G something GEDCOM I can just search GEDCOM I love that you can search health pages you can search anything here it is I'll give you the link for it here we go okay it's a space page well the space page talks about the app and then you can grab the app as well and that helps you clean up GEDCOM junk if you're scared but you still need to have a watchful eye over it when you're using this so here yes it is a Chrome extension Tommy Buck Tommy Buck wanted to know if that was a Chrome extension it is it's an automatic GEDCOM cleanup Chrome extension that allows the users to reformat a profile mm-hmm and we've had Hillary there is a if you look on YouTube there is a live stream that we did about it with Hillary so you can go and watch it if you want and then I just wanted to show because like I was saying not every single bio is going to be really long and full of photos I wanted to show my ancestors bio that I did it's really short I put his parents and I have this citation it was his death record that proved that you know I have his census records that proved he lived in the same place the whole time and then then his death and the citations that list that so it doesn't always have to be really long it can be really short and to the point but I do have photos of him on the side and he is part of my name study so I have the name study sticker yeah he does have a nice dash this one he looks kind of creepy in this one not going to lie not going to lie if there were six foot marks if there were foot marks on those lines behind him I think he was in a lineup yeah I don't know but yeah just wanted to show that it must be Joe's side of the family no it's actually my dad's I'm just giving Joe a hard time so yeah do we have any questions about sources let's see look I did see my ancestry this is my ancestry source that I created from the death record that's how I did it so I have the death certificate number there was a spelling mishap on his death certificate so I yeah when you're looking at the death records look and see who the informant is because sometimes those death records just the people don't know anything about the person that died and so they're like the next door neighbor and I think his mother's name was Gladys you know to check out and see who the informant was mm-hmm and so this was even before I was using family search I did a census record on my own too I typed that out mm-hmm Kay has a auto text expander for either chrome or firefox is handy for working on bios does that make a bio more beefy that's a question I know if there's the bio creator app but this is an extension for auto text expander so yeah and then just for one last little in case everybody doesn't know you're able to quickly search for sources for your ancestors right here it's a little research root search button and you can do family search ancestry find a grave more sites depending on what you use and the U.S. genealogy gophers is a really good one for finding mentions of your ancestors in obscure books yes I've never used that is that a friend do yes it is mm-hmm maybe check that out you get to look up so many a month and then then it's like oh if you want to donate you can look up more but if you don't come back in a day or two you'll be back up to your your pip just gave me a profile that he did let's look at that real quick that's a nicely written bio pip that's a beautifully written bio mm-hmm and see he has all the children there beautiful I love it oh and see pip does the pulls his senses is from ancestry too and Lynette wants to know if that's one of Dallin this is profiles well actually one that I showed before was which one was it the Mitchell I think was this one knows the next one this one this is one of Dallin's oh yes that was being worked on so so yes and speaking of the wiki true challenge they're doing great they're working on I know they've been focusing on Norway and we already have 80 bounty points so that means brick walls broken for the most part whoo and so yeah it's that's do we have any questions about sourcing bios it's very important for accuracy you know for wiki tree you know cousin bait you know this is a shared tree for all of us so we want to make sure it looks good it's accurate sourced sources sourcing is part of our honor code guys so it is so if there's I didn't say any spoilers I just said how many current bounty points we have 80 I bet that number changes between now and Wednesday oh they were saying genealogy gophers is a Dallin class project oh cool wrong one there we go yes so I guess I was not making the connection my head you know I'm not going to answer this question to Chris because truly if if there's information about a person that's included I mean it's a source I guess the worst source would be hearsay but you would have to if I do an interview with my great grandmother and she tells me a story I can source that by saying I did this interview on this day with this woman in person and she had first hand knowledge of this situation this happened when she was a child and she watched it unfold or whatever so I guess I guess that's the least the least best source but it's still a good source and hard to say so I guess it depends you know primary sources is what you mostly want on a profile to prove resistance but anything can be a source because we grabbed it. A part of genealogy sometimes is not a good source because they're just a compilation but compilations can still be used they just aren't a primary source. If you're making a profile especially an old like a pre-1700 profile with one of these I think Karen was the ancestry millennial file that's not reliable but you're able to still put that in there with other sources that you have on the profile. Yeah personal knowledge I love seeing the old JEDCOM import said this person was added because of personal knowledge. I always giggle when it's on somebody who's born in 1350. So those are sources primary sources are important to you know you want to make sure you have those primary sources. What is a primary source? It's from the my brain. It's the books and information that are contemporary. At the time the birth certificate is a primary source of their birth unless it's one of those my grandfather actually has one of those birth certificate done my grandmother has one of those delayed birth certificate delayed birth certificate. So primary is a source that happened at the fact of whatever it is. So like a census record is a primary source for the time for where they lived at that point that family lived on that but you know that birth date on the census record isn't really a primary source for their birth so kind of have to think of it that way each source can be a primary source for a different fact. So at least you have one primary source for something you're good to go. So I think that that is all. We kind of went over our hour. We didn't really have time to do photos but I really thought that this was important to talk about and if you guys ever have ideas for Saturday live cast for us to talk about for questions like this last time we had sources. We had Greg on talking about his new app. Please let me know. We can talk about whatever you want. I'm more than welcome. I welcome talking about stuff, learning about wiki tree, showing you guys how to use it. So just let me know.  I'm giving a presentation this afternoon and I might be talking about wiki tree a bit. Don't you always just talk about wiki tree? No, I talk about this is actually about DNA tools. So I'm going to cover the wiki tree DNA features. Maybe we'll do one more on DNA too. Maybe we'll have another since we talked about confirmations maybe Mags will want to do talk about some DNA later. But who knows?