Welcome back to the Cosmopolitan in Las Vegas. Lisa Martin here at Coupa Inspire 2022 with a couple thousand people here and I got to tell you it's really great to be back in person. Donna, we'll check joins me next. The SVP of product strategy and innovation at Coupa. Donna, welcome to the program. Thank you so much. It is great to be here and it's great to be live again. It is great to be live again. I feel like I'm exhaling for the first time in a long time.  So I want to talk a little bit about you. You've been at Coupa for a long time since it was just a baby startup. A little baby. Basically, and you've also had a lot of leadership roles, product strategy, marketing, customer experience, professional services. I also read that you have 12 software patents. I do. I love that. I know, it's been one of the most amazing things at Coupa which is this ability to be creative and innovate and then get your item patented. It's wonderful. Talk to me about obviously the last two years have been so interesting, shall we say? Sure. And we were talking before we went live that we haven't, the Coupa hasn't been at Coupa Inspire. Inspire hasn't happened since 2019. And I thought, wow, that's almost three years ago. Talk to me about the last 10 years at Coupa and the massive acceleration. I'm, Rob was saying this morning in the keynote, 3.3 trillion under spend, under management. Almost at a trillion a year run rate. Yeah. Huge growth. The numbers have just started to really become a flywheel, right? More customers, more spend. And really now, having this big data repository of 3.3 trillion dollars and the ability to apply AI to that data. But it really has been a journey. When I joined about 11 years ago now, we had this vision. The vision was always a data-centric model where we could apply AI to that data and create intelligence. And now we're finally at a volume of data where we can anonymize the data and we can create insights at a level that we just were not able to do 10 years ago. One of the things that we've learned, I think, fairly recently, is that every company has to be a data company, regardless of industry. Even I think about that, like, my grocery store has to be a data company. Sure. There's no more... It'd be nice if we had a data strategy, or it'd be nice if we actually could glean insights from our data. That's table stakes, that's business critical, that's differentiating. Absolutely. And I think what's really interesting in enterprise software is that as a SaaS provider, although we may host the systems, we don't actually own our customers' data. We need to actually have permissioned usage of the data. And that was one of the things that Kupa did very early on, about 10 years ago, where we started working with our customers and really building that permissioned use into the contracts themselves. And that has really created now this motion of having data that we can now consume and use, where a lot of businesses in enterprise software had not really thought about the notion of permissioned use and having data available to them. Well, that's the power of the community, right? Absolutely. And that's one of the things that clearly sets Kupa apart from its competition. Yes, indeed. We have spent so many years on creating this model of how does the community, and how does community.ai help each individual customer become more efficient, save more, and also do good for the planet in a way that has just never been able to do if that company was doing it alone by themselves. Speaking of good for the planet, let's talk about ESG, your customer conversations. ESG is broad. How are customers approaching the topic of it to bring it in as a strategic initiative? You know, I think this is a really great question. So what happened about a few years ago is our customers sat down with us. And we said to ourselves, if we were going to make every dollar more sustainable, more inclusive that we're spending, what would we need to do? What would be the places within a spend function that you could improve the outcome of that dollar to be more sustainable and inclusive? And we broke it down into so many different features. And over the last three years, we've delivered over 80 different features now available in our BSM, Sustainable BSM Toolkit, that our customers can configure Koopa to impact their ESG goals positively. So BSM can be a facilitator of ESG or an accelerator? Definitely an accelerator. And one of the things we're trying to do is democratize the ability to do good, right? So oftentimes larger organizations are able to invest people into these problems. Well, now smaller and smaller organizations are expected to comply with government regulations. How do these businesses do it? They can do it with technology like Koopa. Got it, okay. One of the things I was looking at in my prep for the event was a recent survey that Koopa did just in February, it's just a couple of months ago, 800 decision makers who either have overview or responsibility for the supply chain and businesses with over a thousand employees. And this was global. What are some of the improvements that businesses, what did you find that they want to make with respect to ESG? You know, I think there was a really great survey that showed businesses have the intent. They want to do good, but the problem is the execution of it. How do they actually make it happen? And technology systems have largely failed them or have only looked at a part of the problem without looking at the whole problem. I can give you an example. Yeah, please do. So in scope three emissions, which is on everyone's mind right now, how are we going to comply with scope three emissions? At first on the surface, it looks like a reporting problem. Oh, I'll just create a report. But the real problem is data related. The data itself that these organizations have on what they purchased and who they purchased it from is terrible. And so if your data is bad, your report to the government is going to be terrible. So you have to look at the problem holistically, solving the data problem before you get to the reporting problem. And that's what CUPA really specializes on. One of the things I was also looking at in the survey was from an overall theme perspective that the availability and reliability of crucial supply chain data is preventing organizations from operationalizing their corporate purpose with respect to ESG. Will CUPA solve that problem? Absolutely. Talk to me about that. Yeah, so let's talk about things like third party risk management when you are working in a supply chain. You need to know who your suppliers are, not just your suppliers, but their suppliers as well. Tier two, tier three, tier four, or even beyond even. And this is everything from anti bribery and anti corruption to infosec and GDPR and so many different government regulations on knowing who you're doing business with. And CUPA solves that problem of collecting that data from your third parties and then continually monitoring it and passing it into the different systems within your spend processes in order to make sure that the person that is making a decision has the data at their fingertips. That's critical. And one of the things we've learned in the last two years is that everybody wants things now instantaneously in real time, it's no longer, oh, that's great to have that. No, as a consumer I want that and business I want that. Every company has to be a data company. But if organizations can't be able to extract insights from that data and make smart decisions on it in real time, they're going to be out of business. Absolutely. The ability to be able to process data at the time you're making a decision, the best data possible at that moment is critical in order for these companies. Really, it's an ability for this company to thrive and even survive. Absolutely. Nobody's going to want, one thing I think we know, nobody's going to want less data more slowly as time goes on. It's always going to be more data faster, faster, fastest. Absolutely. And that's why this model at Koopa has really been formulated over the last 12 years of how do we collect the data across our customer community? How do we pull it together, normalize it, aggregate it, anonymize it and create insights that are so powerful. Like what we're just announcing now is our ocean freight pricing index. Talk to me about that. So we've collected all of the data from our customers that are sourcing ocean freight and we're taking that data and we're creating a market index for the pricing of ocean freight. So now within Koopa, you can actually see what's happening with the price of ocean freight and we're going to continue to add more and more services as more data gets processed in Koopa. Talk to me about the customer influence in your role. You talk with customers a lot. You used to be on the road a lot. Obviously that's changed. Hopefully that's coming back. But let's talk about one of the things I always know when I come to Inspire, I always know I'm going to see a lot of customer logos. I'm going to see a lot and on theCUBE here from the voice of Koopa's customer. Talk to me about some of the influence that your customers have been able to have in the last two years alone. Absolutely. So our philosophy at Koopa's, none of us is as smart as all of us. And it really is the DNA of this company, the heart of the company. So when the pandemic hit, we just really said to ourselves, okay, how do we continue that collaboration and now a digital world? And that's what we did. We just pivoted really fast into a digital world, but the same volume, the same collaboration, the same conversations were happening with our customer community. And in the last year alone, we probably met over 400 customers. Over 90% of the features we delivered had customer input into those features. And the model continues around our customers collaborating with us via the digital channels. And our product owners really working with them as a co-innovation team and not as a product in an ivory tower somewhere. I like the co-innovation kind of team part, but it's really what you're describing as that flywheel that you mentioned a few minutes ago that's really always been there at Koopa for a very, very long time. And it's just getting faster and more efficient and I would say in a nerdy way, more data driven. More data driven. Data, data, data. I will talk data all day long. It's just wonderful. Even this ocean freight thing, I'll tell everyone 10 years ago, this was the dream, to have enough data to be able to create these types of supply chain insights that are just unparalleled. And now as the data continues to increase, the next year's insights in the year after are going to just keep improving because as the data increases, the insights get better in different categories, different ways. So when you're in those customer conversations with customers who may be prospects, I'll say who aren't yet Koopa customers who say, Donna, we've got a huge data problem. Where do they start? How do you advise them to be able to overcome that so they can use the data, glean the insights in real time and be competitive?  The more that we can work together and say help us understand your technology architecture, help us understand your pain points, where are the parts of your business that are critically damaged, that need us to prioritize? And then let us have a discussion for you as a company that we can make recommendations to you based on other customers that have been like you and have those same pain points and then lay it out from that point of view. But it's hard when it's a very classic old model of we're procurement and you're a vendor and we're going to silo it because what we see is a lot of, well, this is how we used to do it. So we're only asking you questions around how we used to do it and now how the rest of the, not about how the rest of the community is doing it. So my advice would really be open up the doors, have a conversation, start as a partner and then let's figure it out from there. Well, one of the things that came across in Rob's keynote this morning was about Koopa, we got to get rid of the silos. Every organization and every industry cannot operate in a silo. And even Barbara Corcoran's keynote when she was talking about some of the best ideas. In fact, I think I saw a tweet from her the other day that said she doesn't think she's ever had a really great idea. They've always come from basically collaborating within a group, so not in a silo. Absolutely, collaboration is key in everything we do. None of us is as smart as all of us and it truly is a key point. In technology, these silos that are happening in business that prevents the risk from properly be operationalized. So for example, the risk team may be aware that there is a supplier that has now gone onto a government watch list. But the payments team is not aware. So the payments team is still issuing payments to that vendor or new orders are going to that vendor or sourcing events. Koopa brings those silos together and says instead we're going to employ what we call sweet synergy and we're going to stop the transactions when the risk is increased. Route it to the risk team for review before the money goes out the door. And how does, I love sweet synergy. How does that resonate? Who are you talking to within customers? Are you talking to the C-suite? How does sweet synergy resonate that far up the stack? Because the concept is clear. Yeah, it's about the collaboration for more value and protecting the brand. The people we speak to are generally the CFO, the CPO, the Chief Procurement Officer and the CIO. Those are generally who we speak to, but increasingly we see the Chief Sustainability Officer, the Chief Diversity Officer. And especially from a notion of how do I not just report on my data? How do I improve it? How do I impact diversity by helping the person making a spend decision? Giving them diverse options at the time they're doing that spend decision. Instead of just reporting on it, grow it. Grow it, act on it, take the insights and actually make smart decisions faster. Absolutely, and before the money goes out the door, once the money goes out the door, you cannot influence it to be going to a diverse supplier. It's already done. Right, yeah. So I know we're only on day one here. Last question for you is, what are, it's a great turnout, all the people behind us, it's great to hear that buzz of a conference environment once again. What are some of the things that you've heard today that really excite you about the direction that Coop is going in? I think for me it all started today and yesterday, yesterday, we had our community advisory boards, we had hundreds of customers that were meeting with us and it was just a sense of co-innovation being alive and well. So many customers. Today I sat next to ADM, one of our customers and they're working with us on supply chain collaboration and the next generation of supply chain collaboration. And it was just so wonderful to finally meet the people that we've been working with for so long in a digital world. That's right. It's always nice when you look at badges. I know you, I've been talking to you on video conferencing for two years. You're taller than I thought you were. Exactly. I don't get that. I don't get that you're taller than I thought. Really, are you guys all? I don't get the taller. No, I'm pretty smart. Donna, it's been great having you on the program, talking about the strategy, the innovation, the direction Coop is going and what you've witnessed, the evolution of it in the last 10 years. We congratulate you on your success and we just look forward to seeing Coopa continue to evolve and mature. Thank you so much. It was wonderful to sit down with you today. Excellent. Good. I enjoyed it too. For Donna Wilczak, I'm Lisa Martin. You're watching theCUBE's coverage of Coopa Inspire 22 from Las Vegas. Thanks for watching.


Okay, right now we're being joined by the publisher, CEO of Christina Report and former Chief Press Secretary to the Reversed State Deputy Governor Dan, his Excellency Engineer Tella Ikuru, in the person of Mr. Gotswheel Jumbo. Mr. Jumbo, good morning and welcome to the program. Good morning, plus TV, meeting you again. It's good to have you join us. Okay, tell us, bring us to speed, up to speed rather, what is happening in Port Harcourt? From outside Port Harcourt, it seems as if there's a political fire that is raging and trying to consume everybody in the wake of it. So give us an update of what is really happening in the government house as we speak. Okay, so time, the timeline begins from 10 p.m. Sunday night and that's when the fire incident happened in the chambers of the Reversed State House of Assembly. Chairs, computers, furniture, equipment, we are damaged and then whatever they were doing that night, a lot of people, so we were alleged that they were trying to remove the majority leader that night and then trouble started. So that was 10 p.m. and then by about 10, 30, 11, the Federal Fire Service stepped in, put out the fire and then the Commissioner of Police Reversed State was also very proactive, quickly deployed, his personnel heavily armed to secure to assert authority over the complex and hold down the place to avoid Foda Wahala there. And then by about 7, 7, 7, 30 a.m. and then we had the Speaker of the House of Assembly with 23 other members, you know, gathered in the auditorium of the Reversed State House of Assembly and removed their colleague, right on the board, AHA Edison, as majority leader and then now moved the motion which all of them agreed on to serve a notice of impeachment on the Governor of Reversed State, Excellency Siminalai Fubara and then dispatched after that and then about an hour later the Governor himself had to proceed to the place to check what happened and before he left Government House, some youths had converged at Government House, he had to address them and after addressing them he now moved to the House of Assembly on the way, we must understand the viral videos where policemen were giving him a very warm bath that morning, spreading with watercolors and all of that. But then he waded through it and got to the Assembly complex, checked the damages and right there he said the place was not fit for purpose, it was damaged and then as his Chief Security Officer of the State, he has not approved any other venue for the House of Assembly to sit and declared that whatever was done there was no language and then he now proceeded back to Government House by then the youths from different parts of the state had converged from the streets of Potatots and then they spotted him back to Government House. Then about two, three hours later we now see Honourable AHA Edison addressing the press that he has now been elected the new Speaker and that the other Speaker much in Assembly really has been impeached alongside his deputy and the other members who served the notice of impeachment of the Governor have all been suspended and will face disciplinary panel or whatever and that is promising reverse people, he will hold the state together for the Governor to represent all of that and he said himself and his colleagues that that was about three, four p.m. there about and after that well some comms started returning around the city more or less somebody has been removed and then the person who has been removed now we move another person, somebody was impeached then the person who was impeached now impeached another person so it was a galore a bazaar of removers and impeachment you know all of that so that's like what happened yesterday then let me also put it on record that no local government chairman was removed from office the State Executive Council was also not dissolved the new Speaker and his colleagues only recommended the suspension of the Chief Judge of the State Justice Simion Amadi now we also don't have an official statement from the government if that suspension has happened we do not have it so the things trending on social media are actually more speculative only the Chief of Staff and the CSO to the Governor were removed from office all other the solution SAC and all of that are actually speculative I spoke with the Commissioner of Police sorry the Commissioner for Information and Communications I'm up to say about Joe Johnson this morning and he confirmed that no local government chairman was SAC and no State School member was removed from office so for that how far we've gone so and then the police to have like you have settled authority across those critical areas of the city you know to make sure that there is calm and everywhere returns to normal so that's where we are at now okay but that means you're confirming that the Governor has endorsed the new Speaker that has been elected when this problem started right yes we can say that because the Governor is a verified ex formerly Twitter handle has already got later the new Speaker so we can actually confirm that okay they speculations you say there are a lot of speculation maybe this is speculation as well but whatever is happening in the State Assembly or anywhere else near Government House people are saying the target is the Governor himself the Governor someone somewhere wants to remove the Governor if this is true what really is his crime okay for that one there is actually no speculation you know the things happening are clear the Governor is the Godson of the FCT Minister the members of the House of Assembly all 32 of them are political Godsons of the FCT Minister so when we see them acting against each other and trying to impeach the Governor it is clear what is happening you know we are not speculating the something was given between the Governor and his political Godfather which is now leading to the voice in the House of Assembly trying to you know ask the Governor maybe the process is maybe unwholesome but as per the agenda is clear then let me also put it on record that Godfather is a strange to Governance in River States it has not worked Odili came into Government through Chief Rufus as a judge the Godfather factor did not work between them Odili produced Rotimiya Meji the Godfather factor did not work between them in fact when Amici became Governor he set up the Truth and Reconciliation Commission and docked his political Godfather the man who made him everything is in politics he docked him and wanted him the outrage was all over the States you can do that to your political Godfather but that happened and then Amici produced Wike the Godfather factor still did not work because Wike came back with federal power to fight Amici and giving up to tomorrow they are still engaging a cat fight, a foul fight and all kind of rascality that has turned River States upside down and then now if Wike is intending to be a Godfather to sin it's clear through the events of yesterday that that's not going to work it's very clear Asim is already asserting himself as the Governor of the States so I need to clarify that that for about four dispensations now Godfather Azim has not worked in River States so we don't see it happening so that's what is happening and people need to get that perspective I still am not clear what particularly they are accusing Simov the Governor of because if you want to impeach someone you will accuse him of something which is tangible enough that people will see and say he didn't do well in this or that what are they saying the Governor did? Okay, about that there's actually nothing the Governor has done so far in fact yesterday all the removals, impeachment and the suspension, whatever none of the victims the targeted victims none of them were identified with any misdemeanor, any crime the House of Assembly guys who serve the duties of impeachment of the Governor only alleged gross misconduct how do you define gross misconduct? it's a vague term it's an unwieldy term that is neither here nor there the Governor is just five years in office what appropriations has he done what expenditure has he done has he fought with anybody on the streets has he maybe assaulted his wife at home did he abuse the FCT minister what is his offense so when you don't have anything against the man you now come up with that vague term of gross misconduct that is actually floating in the air as far as the underlying factors you know we have the rumors which are unconfirmed and I need to emphasize there that they are unconfirmed there's the speculation that oh that the Godfather has the Godson to providing two billion every month we don't know if that is true but we understand that for about three months now two three months that that money has not been made available and that is at the heart of all of this and then there's another rumor that there was this understanding that the Governor will run the administrative aspect of the Government while the his Godfather will run the political aspect so the Governor cannot see anybody cannot do anything without the approval of his Godfather and all of that and then somewhere along the line something gave especially with his visit to the Songai farm the Songai farm is the initiative of the Rotimiameki administration and that was a revenue a very key revenue for the River State Government so seeing going to visit there and thinking of revamping the place I think many people suggest that that was the elastic limit and then things fell apart so all of that is still speculation there's no factuality to them we are not there, we don't know what Father and Son sat down and agreed on they signed any documents whatever but these are speculations that are out there on the streets so that's it so we look we are spectators we are observing but as per what is in black and white there is no offence so far that has been handled against the Governor that is valid no apart from gross misconduct you know I can actually look at you and say you have committed gross misconduct now what is gross misconduct okay frivolous as it might sound but is it the Governor against the entire House of Assembly or does he have some people who are loyal to him or to the Godfather well I said now to be too early to say but we know that 8 members of the House of Assembly stayed away from the impeachment drama and we understand that those are the 8 members who rallied around the Governor and also elected the former Deputy Speaker and later Majority Leader of the House as the new Speaker so those 8 on the Governor's side if it is out of loyalty we don't know if it is out of patriotism we don't know but what we know is they are not part of the impeachment process and we must also understand that the Governor and those House of Assembly are like children playing in the same House they are all children to the FCT Minister so if they are now going against each other we are trying to understand what is going on between them and among them but we know now that 8 members are not part of the plot to remove the Governor from office but whether they are doing that out of patriotism or out of loyalty to the Governor we cannot see for now what about the relationship between the Governor and his Deputy Governor we have seen in other states that Deputy and Governor they are the words that are fighting and then somehow Speaker of the House of Assembly is it on door or so that we have been the Deputy Governor in on those states so on those states we see Governor and the Deputy is fighting so in reverse state what is the relationship between the Governor and his Deputy well one I would say quickly that it is too early to say because these two persons have not been seen together like any time recently we don't know them to be together we know that I think Commissioner and she has been around government for some time but out of the blues we just started hearing about him when he was Director of Finance and Accounts at the Government House and then later Accountant General of the states so that relationship is not like founded it's not a background that we don't have it so we can't even begin to say if anything has fallen apart between them but in the course of the election you know the campaigns and the election they were all together whether that is a function of them following their leader or as per personal relationship we can't tell but as as it's now in the middle of all of this we've not seen the deputy governor act in any way against the governor we've not seen her make any statements we've not seen her hold any meeting you know and trying to circumvent the governor we've not seen that happen and for those who know Professor Angozio she doesn't appear to be that kind of person who undermines people who betrays people who are caught people we don't know her to be she's a seasoned academic we've known her back at the nation's university and to see COE and all of that so she has a consolidated background of responsibility responsible conduct rightitude and all of that so what you know the political space in Nigeria has a way of messing up people we've not seen that happen to her yet maybe in the days coming as things unfold we'll be able to know but as of now we don't see any fight any rift between the governor and his deputy but if you actually if Angozio do is loyal to the FCT minister that's for sure because political renaissance you know is a function of the FCT minister's effort when he became governor he kind of brought back a lot of people who have become politically moribund you know brought them back into the political space and created them with appointment opportunities and all of that so for that I want to believe that her loyalty will be to him but if that loyalty will or has you know made her to start fighting the governor we don't know about that we have not seen anything in that respect okay there's also speculation we're talking speculations a lot of speculations today some of which you are confirming there are no longer speculations some people feel that this is just the first step to a lot of people cross-captaining as it were to the APC instead of the PDP you know the governor and all the house of assembly members won on the ticket of the PDP right and now the FCT minister seems to be loyal to APC more than PDP that's the speculation so can you confirm or deny that these people may be breaking away from PDP and going into APC okay like you said speculation and there is cost to believe that this whole movement from PDP to APC may be actually at the core of this whole haha some people are speculating that there was an instruction for the government and everybody to move over to the APC and some people were like not comfortable with it and you know reverse state you hear the say the reverse state has always been PDP in the sense of actuality really in the sense of like in Banguagon effect you know it has always been in power and then there was a slight interregnum when AMH moved everyone of us in government then to the APC and then you see that even my own boss my principal you know then had to move back to the PDP and then recently you also see the commissioner for transport then and a lot of other political actors even AMH who like is at the core of the river and agitation for and all of that they have to now move to you know the PDP so there is that gravitating effect around PDP but if it is at the core of this it still speculation but for me knowing the politicians who have a reverse state how they lead their life how they pursue their interest I want to think that for me I think it is at the core of it the thing is this whole most reverse people on the streets people think is a misadventure by the former government even within his own in a caucus people believe that the APC team was a misadventure the belief is not something that aligns that fits into the normal political life of reverse states you know so now asking people to now move from where they have always been to APC and giving the massive failure of the APC government since it came on board failing or not from failing even by its own market scheme economy, security everything how do you now convince me to now move from where I am to that and moreover this is a party that has been abused severally serially maliciously in reverse state by the former government the APC team minister so how do you now make it attractive to people that you are leading on to abuse that same party so I think maybe a lot of them are having they are dragging their feet on this maybe that's why all of this is happening or is it ultimately going to happen I don't think so in fact they are receiving another side to it some of the people who have talked to it are the background they are saying that this whole reverse drama may even be an orchestration of the APC post-level trying to undermine the FCT minister because if you look at there's a trend in reverse politics when Odili Dr. Peter Odili wanted to go for presidential wanted to contest for president while he was out there campaigning across the north west north central east south south west back home here in the south south and especially in reverse states he lost he lost that foundation that political base he lost it the same thing happened to Amici in fact the FCT minister many people believe that's well not founded actually because there's a lot of speculation within the political space but people think that the whole thing about the fight was to undermine Amici's capacity to be able to present himself for presidency so he lost the base and you must have heard the political rhetoric then because of the campaigns that if you cannot win your state how can you win the presidential election and even during this last presidential election you see the comparison made that Peter would be one of the south east but Amici didn't win anywhere in the south south and then now you see Nisomike going to the federal again as a minister and so people speculating that he wants to contest the 2027 election then you have seen all of a sudden his own house his own structure collapsing in broad daylight so political watchers those who have looked at the trend and reversed it believing that the whole idea is to undermine the foundation the political base so that it doesn't even begin to prepare for 2027 and from the analysis I'm giving you you want to see a correlation it happened to Amici and now it's happening to Nisomike so that's why some people are believing that this may even be like being orchestrated from the very top to make sure that he loses his structure in reverse state and if you cannot deliver your state you cannot deliver your constituency then how can you deliver Nigeria it's a valid argument right okay well let's let's just also take another thing that we've heard that Amici is washing his hands clean to come back to the table of the PDP to dine can you confirm this because sometimes when the election was going on we heard that while the governor then was working for the present president now for the APC Amici was secretly working for the PDP can you confirm this is he returning to PDP or you don't see that happening soon okay as per returning to the PDP I already said that reverse politicians gravitate towards PDP because actually that's like hope for if not 18 90% of reverse politicians that's like hope for them so I wouldn't be surprised if we wake up one morning and then Amici is now in PDP I wouldn't be surprised why because the factors and the key players who are driven out of PDP and more or less either out of PDP now or silence you look at that the key actors then who were fighting him who were making it uncomfortable for him to function fully as the leader of the party being the governor of the states then they have now been relegated to police club oblivion by the outgoing governor who is giving his own boy he went on a weekend lost it with his initial political godfather John Humberta who in single handedly made him the obiaco chairman when they lost it whatever happened between them Amici was the one who intervened and took him to Odili and then they resolved all of that and then he had to go for second tenure when the Amici K-led team happened weekend step team who beat aside all of them and then they fought until October 25th 2007 judgment and then upon inauguration Amici appointed him as his chief of staff Amici still recommended him to President Jonathan to be appointed as a minister President Jonathan confirmed this when he came he mentioned the bridge at the along the road that leads to NLNG around about the protocols you know so he said he never knew a weekend at all that it was Amici that introduced him and recommended him to be appointed as minister now you now see the same weekend turning around to fight him and harass him and all of that you know over the years and then there is this cat fight between them you know when you look at all of that you begin to wonder what's going on but now weekend has found great pastures weekend has found great pastures in the APC though he's dragging his feet you know I think he's making his calculations of moving and all that we follow so he's dragging his feet you know and maybe he's also trying to see if he can move in the hope of his machinery to the APC so if Amici wants to question I will be surprised because those people that weekend was allegedly fighting they are not quiet they are not there in the mainstream in the media anymore and then secondly Amici has always wanted a river line government for river states in fact he felt that after his political godfather Epida Odili you know served out his tenure and he also served out his tenure in next dispensation should have gone either to the river southeast or to river line but when the calculations were made Amici went for river line because southeast yes you are still upland river line has not gotten at all why not wait let the dispensation go and then he tried to project at the computer side that met a great wall it was fought mercilessly and then somehow by the by the workings of fate now seeing Fubara from Kupupo you know in the river line is it something that Amici would want to embrace yes of course that may also be a reason for Amici once wanting to come back to the PDP and then thirdly once of Amici's henchmen are now in the PDP and their stake holders so coming back to where your voice are wouldn't be out of place so I wouldn't be surprised as a person if I see tomorrow Amici's announcing on TV that is now in the PDP I wouldn't be surprised so even this speculation I think is speculation founded on underpinnings a lot of things are going on as we speak and for river state actually the recent years are very gruesome very distressing for the political actors and stake holders because of how the system was being run so if now they see this as an opportunity to rally around Seminalai Fubara to patch him and his political godfather I think they would hesitate they would want to crowd around him come back to the PDP crowd around him and providing the support in this to be able to stand up to his political godfather that is if he still is political godfather after all the years today okay that's very interesting analysis you're giving to us but there's a critical question that a lot of us have been asking from the time of campaign till this moment how is it that Wike is still a PDP member in spite of all the things he has done against the PDP in River State he is still a member what is that card that he's holding over PDP of River State that he cannot be removed okay it's not actually that he cannot be removed there's nobody that is not dispensable nobody not even using Wike that is not dispensable everybody is dispensable but there are dynamics around this the political environment in River State now let's try to look at certain things one he has been the one bankrolling the party for several years now we don't know under what processes we don't know how that bankrolling happened whether they were done in compliance with early finance rules of the country we don't know we don't know if they had to undercut the processes to be able to do that financing and all of that we don't know so what if the rules were not followed what if the procurement laws of the country were not adhered to in the course of providing that support that can actually be a factor for blackmail so if he moves now it will be two ways what will the PDP hold against him what will he hold against the PDP that is one then two do you after the way he has advertised himself in the course of this whole political period he has been in the public space will he single only him now move to the APC let's try to look at that no local government no senators no House of Rep members no party star wars stakeholders just him moving to the APC I mean his value naturally will plummet it will just dive dive down and all of that so we are thinking that that may also be another restraint try to get your house together and move everybody just the way he moved everybody in the government SSPAs commissioners, S of NDAs whoever whoever everybody move from the PDP to the APC I think that may be what he wants to achieve before moving and if you look at his body language we get somebody who likes drama who likes fear star he likes it to happen big so I am thinking that that may be what he is working on to get the house together and move in a big way in a fanfare way to the APC so that this whole thing between him and his boy saying Fubara may be undermining that and then let's also look at something I said earlier previous states has always been PDP we are the media people we are spectators who have been watching the political space even what Amici tried to do with the APC you can see that it is not sustainable over time everybody started leaving going back to the same and observe that they didn't go to any other party when they left APC they left APC back to the PDP now when you look at that so I think that may also be a factor that is making it difficult for him to move then bring in the legal implications you know if he is to move when he was governor if he moves when he was governor what will be the legal implications to that and then what about the police school implication if he moves if he had moved then especially after the winner of the election if he had moved then without ensuring that PDP won the election in reverse state in a challenge and then now that his art of office is now a minister if he moves what if some of his men don't follow him so I am sure he is looking at all of that dynamics to be sure he has his arts together before moving but as you can see with the analysis I am giving you it is not a work in the past it is not an effort you can achieve easily because reverse state is intensely PDP is intensely PDP we as journalists we can tell you that we have always been here every politician you know in reverse state either they started from PDP and moved to somewhere else or they moved from where they were and came to PDP or they passed by PDP or they stopped by PDP somehow is that so moving from PDP I think is a tall order for him he is not moving yet okay let's just wrap it up with a word to the the reverse people talk to the reverse people because some people are really afraid what this might turn out to be so speak to your people how their mindset should be at this point and how you need to move on if all my brothers and sisters in the reverse state I want to like ask them to emulate Boni LGA my home LGA Bonia Island the way the politics is played in Boni is such that no matter what happens at the campaign ground at the election for polling units at the coalition centers there is this saying in Boni that at the end of the day we will all gather in Kuba Nongo in Kuba Nongo is where you refer to as Kuba Square is the gathering point of the Boni people is at the center of a Boni town where everybody converges and if you follow the last event the 25th anniversary celebration of the king that will wear the climax up on the main event now that saying actually implies that we are our differences we should remember that we will meet in a particular place where we will identify ourselves to be one now reverse people need to think in that direction at the end of the day we are all reverse people whether it's Ngeni, Abua, Ahuda, Peie Oba Imani Obolo Indoni What again Ikure all of that we are one and if you look at it Riba state is like a microcosm of Nigeria I don't know any other state that has this high concentration of different ethnic groups but see how we fuse together like in school in work we interact with each other we understand ourselves so we should not allow the political interest of one person, two persons, three persons in order to undermine that unity that oneness that identity of who we are we should not allow it at all at all and then it is the responsibility of everybody in Riba state to ensure that governance in the state is protected when politicians have played their cards and now they landed a river from Oba Ibermandoni to Ikure local government and then to Obiako and now to Okupu in Koron local government it is all of these governance and reverse people other judge was Ocrika Ogini was Oba Ibermandoni Amethi was Ikure Nyesawike is Obiako now same is from Okupu we are one so we should not allow anything to undermine that and in our quest for protecting the governance of the state we should also not allow politicians to re-rape us into where we destroy what is beneficial to us we really need to wrap it up at this time sir we really need to wrap it up here we're so glad it was you that came to give us this analysis on what is happening in river state we do hope that like you said they will play the kind of politics that Bonnie plays we will meet at that place you go and take fish and man soup ok so thank you so much for being a part of our program this morning Mr. Jumbo yes I feel appreciated thank you very much so we've been talking with Mr. Gotswill Jumbo publisher CEO of Christina reports and we were talking about the climate in river state and we do hope that you had a great insight into that this is where we're going to wrap it up on the show this morning on behalf of the entire crew of breakfastonplus.tv Africa my name is Nyam Ghul at Gayji thanking you for today and asking you to 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We drop a bodyguard today at some point Link to all of that is down in the description below, but this is talk TV investigates They look like button for me, man This is the Molly boys how London's most feared gang run drugs guns and violence across the Capitol Talk to me Our top story today a 15 year old girl has been stabbed to death in the rush hour in South London and two teenagers have been Sentenced to life in prison that leads crown court for the murder of a 15 year old boy The 21 year old man who was stabbed to death at the Notty Hill carnival has been named today by his manager as rapper To coyote Nimbard they are weapons that kill that can't be bought in shops So why is it so easy to buy zombie knives online? They're finding knives just like this But because there is no writing on the knives the police can do nothing as the politicians keep talking Teenagers and others keep dying That is because there's no writing on it reality What would your day look like when you come out to go to the shop young people can't even go to the shop I've got some young people. They've got to get to a cab to just go to the corner shop They cannot walk anymore. They cannot get in a tube. They cannot get on a bus Hey, that's how Chicago was the last neighborhood. I lived in boy. I was not walking nowhere That 30 had to be on me Block 1730 beam had to be on me. I'm not playing with them I'm not glorifying it at all, but like I need my safety in my life I value it and these other people in that neighborhood did not value life at all And it was nothing that I could say or do about it. Oh, yes I am a Christian man, but like at the same time I'm using wisdom. I'm walking with it. I don't care I'm walking with God and I'm walking with this 30 They go hand-in-hand you play with me I'm gonna be wise about it and send you up there. Don't play. No problems.  There's the chances of survival is very very slim These are people that are not emotionally disciplined to be killing people for what reason so fat And crime is plaguing London and it's on the rise with an increase of over 1500 knife crime incidents this year compared to the last and the Marley boys sometimes labelled as London's most violent and Organized gang are often at the forefront of headlines the gang which operates in East London has been accused and this is a very informative platform and a very informative 13 minutes, but y'all know what y'all did today equals when y'all drop this on the Do the roof They demand now and you right here. You this you should be like on a runway or something Anyway continue of grooming and exploiting young children Controlling drug trade in the area and using violent weapons such as zombie knives and some of their actions make the hit series stop Boy looking zombie knives We'll got on the machete. We can't afford new shoes And some of their actions make the hit series stop boy looked in But who are they really and why are they gaining notoriety at such a fast pace 16 of the 80 homicides in the capital so far this year have been teenagers last year 99 young people under 25 were murdered with a knife or sharp object in the 12 months to March 2022 13 of those were aged under 16 One of the most prominent and reportedly business-driven gangs in London is the Marley boys based in Walthamstow and Layton According to Trident, they're responsible for seven murders in three years or less that we know of News outlets tend to paint them as a small group of young people who have fled war-torn Somalia and settled in the UK But through investigating further we have found that the group is ethnically diverse There are over 200 people of a wide range of ages associated with the group Was This is Valentin road in London's Walthamstow It's been both the most dangerous street and some say it's run by the molly boys The notorious gang have been associated with crimes from murder to arson and sex attacks The latest alleged ringleader who is humza or huck is currently serving life behind bars for double murder Earlier this year received a second jail term for at least 36 years for a fatal stabbing Both killings were in revenge over a fatal attack on a fellow molly boy gang member Elijah Donnelly But the group itself are still at large and have become a prominent feature in the uk drill music operating under the name the molly strike But while the music seems to glorify a violent lifestyle Or the ones that the main ones at least right to realize fatal crime a lot of members say that characterization And many of them want to get out but can't and all they members period Three quarters of ours in london with the highest levels of violent offending are also in the top 10 most deprived Those same areas also have higher proportions of children under 20 living in poverty than the london average Ricardo and jesse are in a volunteer run media project in a waltham forest gang territory The project was started by a man who knows everything about gangs He's written a book about them. In fact, it's his own story He was a notorious gangster divine as an entrepreneur and writer who runs a knife crime charity kiss for life He grew up in walthamstow and became a player in the gang violence there He even went to school with some of the molly boys He spoke to us about why so many people who are young are becoming involved in conflict I was about 13 when I originally got involved in A downward spiral or a dark the gang life if you'd put it in that way What sort of led me down that road are many different factors a lack of self-discipline In terms of my own personal accountability for that, but in terms of a bigger picture 13 it was the influences around me That sort of led me down that road. I was born in uk moved to Ghana when I was two I came back when I was seven and when I came the environment was completely um a different environment in terms of You know trying to create a self self belief We was in an environment where a lot of young people You could just be bullied or you can be picked on just by Being a certain like not being in an in-crowd or something like that And then when you realize that you're fed and people Sort of do as you say you realize you can then capitalize off that and Go into things that can make you money and doing that you realize you're now sparing into a very aggressive Violent road so I wanted cars. I wanted jewelry. I wanted All these things because I believed it's going to make me feel valued and when I realized after going through that journey and having all these things I still did not feel like I was a valuable person to society because I would go into certain environments Some of my friends I would go to school colleges universities and I think that the minute I realized my self value Everything around me.  That's quite close to woodgreen and woodgreen has a lot of conflicts with Tottenham So just the fact that you're going to school and you're from that area automatically Then with your bumper seed as an enemy just by default being able to protect yourself and say I'm going to get a knife That's how I be in Chicago, man. When you a certain color you'll be an enemy by default like certain certain, you know Certain hispanic games and they they they they into it with african-american games when you see that color like you automatically on go Or when a lot of the schools got shut down in Chicago Then this side of the town school had to go to a different school that had these members over there And they had to cut through this town Like that. It's dangerous going to school 7 a.m. In the morning. I'm trying to get to school. It's dangerous out here As much as it sounds very crazy cannot be the the most baddest idea Now people carrying knives it now puts you in a position where you can easily become the perpetrator I've seen in a lot of the work I do in colleges in the u.s.  We realized there's a lot of people that ended up in issues that they became the ones Stabbing or killing someone but essentially they saw themselves as A victim and having to carry a knife was a way to protect themselves Just carrying a knife to protect yourself because of the environment you're in even though you didn't want to You felt it was the right choice to do now you're in a position where You've ended up stabbing up someone because you're angry. You know what I mean and it happens Yeah, that's how it be in chicago. A lot of people were carrying pipes just because they have to Not because they want to but like it's so dangerous in certain areas. You've got to But the difference in america is Well, you can get self-defense If everything looked right Actually every single day It's a recipe for disaster and then back to the selling drugs for example at the molly boys and everything else If you're in america and chicago specifically if I have any Firearm that I'm not supposed to have And somebody comes out to me and initiates something and I fire on them without a self-defense I'm not going to go to jail for him I'm going to get I'm going to beat that But I'm going to go to jail for having a pipe though. That's the only charge I'm going to have I don't authorize use of a fire Which is what five years probably get out of two Two and a half three We take those I'm alive Environment where you know financially that's the mindset everyone around you is struggling and you have no money And people are able to give you A job or a platform where you could be earning 500 pound at the age of 13 to 16 Again, it doesn't seem like the most craziest idea A lot of these young people are going through traumatic situations. They are just literally mentally Disturbed and challenged just from the upbringing coming up. It's far Easier for a lot of young people to end up in the environment They didn't even want to be in now the average young person carries a knife that goes from their their knee To their waist like this big. These are zombie knives. There's the chances of survival Minimum it's very very slim Like what is this they found this on somebody? It's a ninja set of And you hit somebody with this like what like what is it? These are huge They're killing killing tools that you can't have a rumbo knife for any other reason than to kill someone Colin James started gangs unite cic with the hopes of reducing gang violence in the area His initiative street fathers looks to provide people on the streets with the father A place to stay if they're in need offering options to people who perhaps feel trapped I find a lot of young people when they come out of prison There is nothing for them And these young people don't really want to learn a trade now. So they Tend to drift in and out. I said we never call them gangs We call them man them. We call them firms. We call them crews Where I grew up I grew up in an estate. There's probably 120 children in there So we was never labeled us as a gang. We named us of crews or firms It's the government that gave the children the label gangs All we had was our name and our reputation And I would have done anything to keep that See, I think prevention is the most important aspect of working with young people, especially in youth crime The government deals with intervention and they Give kids young kids something to do. Let them see that there's something else out there Fun intervention, but intervention is too late Channel channel that anger and aggression and that someone's already been hurt. Someone's already become a victim See inherently inherently is a strong word. I don't think anyone is naturally violent There is probably a few probably five percent of the The world population is probably that way I think experiences and it's all circumstantial See see most people the reason why I believe most people go on the road is economical They believe it's for money and everybody goes out there and thinks it's an easy way of making money But as we was talking about earlier on Is societal everybody wants to find their place in life Especially young people we all do we all want to find out who our friends are what pair groups do we belong to Some strive for higher pair groups And to get into those higher prayer groups now you've got to do certain things and you've got to be a certain way And you've got to be Either that man or that pacific female to get in those pacific circles now You know people think that young people are being groomed and they always use this word groom groom groom Facts, right? It's just naive what you've got to say about this. How do I always use this word groom groom groom? It's just naive and vulnerable young people that want to do these things Because they want to fit in they want to impress they want to be a part Do you feel like well from stares become unsafe as some people say could agree I'm moving so it is it's just like any other area Every area is safe until young people are there It's unsafe and it's only dangerous for young people But when a 14 year old boy like Jayden gets killed It's nothing We got killed in a mistaken identity Um, we got on a motorbike which belonged to somebody else And someone else must have done something on the motorbike and been known to him And some people was looking for someone on that motorbike. They saw him.   And this is how I think once you decide to go on the road And get ups and everybody's gonna take your whole family with you and they just don't understand that Professor Andrew Whitaker of london satbank university who wrote a report focusing on gang conflicts in the area said Since 2010 more than 4500 youth work jobs have been cut in 760 youth centers Since 2010 more than 4500 youth work jobs have been cut in 760 youth centers have closed So does our government need to do more for young people? And could we ever see our streets without gang violence? I'm muted my bad the answer like I said to the questions Her question yes And her question no I mean y'all y'all cut all those youth jobs y'all not really giving nobody no choice So when they're out here broke can't get a job, but we trying and then it's like oh man, let me There's an opportunity my mom is hungry. I'm hungry. We about to lose our house. Let me do something Tell a little like common man