And then one in May, I'm Pierre Adler, I'm a mediator, I'm a facilitator, I'm a strategic planner, I've worked in the legal world and the business world and I'm most pleased to introduce a couple of friends and colleagues, Bill Temm, who is a lawyer and a former deputy attorney general and the head of the water commission. He is a lawyer by training and practice, but he's an economist by avocation and I want to ask him how come he didn't become an economist and he said the law has better tools. So Bill, welcome, Colin Moore, another good friend and colleague from the University of Hawaii. He's a well-known political commentator, he's especially present during the election time, he's kind of like a golf color man, he's a professor of political science and director of the UH public policy program there. Today what we're going to do is focus on economics and politics and a lot of questions running. You know, let's assume we're fast with COVID in another month, two months, three months and then we're into the economy and all the issues that attend that. So what happens when the medical crisis is fast and we are into that recovery? How bad will it be? Will it be a recession, a depression, a deflation? What sits ahead for big business, for small business and for the businesses other than tourism like agriculture and defense and technology development? What does it mean for Hawaii's political leadership in that time when we know that we are going to have to do some recoveries? Is it going to be same-same? Is it going to be generate new political leadership, new energies? So that's what we're going to be talking about today and again Colin Bill, thanks so much for joining in this conversation. So let me start with Bill. Bill, what are you thinking about? What are you assuming lies ahead once the medical emergencies have passed? What sits ahead for us economically? Let's frame the question a little bit. I don't want to get lost in numbers, but let's get a few numbers out there on the table just so we can understand this. The world's economy is about $86 trillion. The U.S. economy is about $21 trillion. The global debt is about $253 trillion. That's 322 times the GDP of the world. The U.S. debt is around $19 trillion. And by comparison, China is only about $5 trillion. And the Hawaii GDP is on the order of $95, $97 billion. And real pro-capital income is around $51,000, compared to about $50,000 for the U.S. Maryland, but given the cost of living. Our workforce is about 660,000 people. And so when you hear about 250,000 to 300,000 people filing unemployment claims, you're talking about a third of the workforce already without a job. So that's sort of the framework we're starting with. I think that one of the things that the state plans so far, the House, the committee and others have looked at, is how to get back to where we were. We're not going to get back to where we were. The future is not the past. And whatever you thought was normally gone, I was encouraged people to read from works by Adam Toons, who's an economist at Columbia, and wrote a really fine book called Crash about the 2008 financial crisis. And he's just... Give us a little synopsis. Give us a quick rundown on that. Well, the concept is that the assumptions we were working with, the econometric equations we use, are based upon a series of assumptions we developed over the last 30 or 40 years, maybe the last 30 years. But like if you think about the state of Hawaii during the monarchy period, the republic period, the territorial period, and the state, we've had a series of laws and structures that were somewhat based on the past and we modified them a little bit. The reverse start is still in the post-state world view that tourism, for example, is going to keep growing. We're up to 10 million tourists a year, and it's starting to tax our resources and our infrastructure, our wastewater systems, our water systems. And the idea that that's going to keep growing is because it's useful for both the hotel industry and the line airlines, is not based on the reality of what's going on. But once the climate change is going to alter that a lot, secondly, with regard to tourism, if you think about flying someplace right now, well, if you want to get on a plane to fly for 10, 5, 10 hours, 15 hours, sit next to a bunch of people you don't know, have no idea what you're breathing, even if they're all good, it only takes one out of that circumference of maybe 6 to 8 to 10 feet of breathing that air to give you a problem. So the wealthy people can afford to fly to Hana, fly to Hana. They can go to places that are remote and they don't see a lot of people. But the people who you need to travel a lot more or who need to travel a lot more are the people who can't afford it. They just lost their 401K. They've just lost their job. The idea that they're suddenly going to decide to come to Hawaii now, whether it's from the mainland or from Asia, it's just not in the cards. So I think one of the things that happened, for example, is that the upper-end hotels, they've got the capital of those survived. Mid-lower levels have come hotels. They are not going to have the cash flow to hold on for two or three years. So I expect that those hotels will go to bankruptcy through the stress sale, for example. One thing we might do is think about whether we should stand up a public entity, issue some bonds, buy those hotels at the stress rate, because they're not going to hold, they're going to have to sell them to somebody, and maybe a public entity picks up a bunch of those for 40 cents and a dollar, and there's a bill that's the structure. You call it Peter Stavio and some other people and say, hey, you know how to do this. Renovate these hotels so they're a small apartment, keep them rental, don't allow speculation, and suddenly you start to solve some of the housing problem in a way that people live here, including the homeless as a separate set of issues. And you've now got bigger structure at 40 cents and a dollar, and you've now started to change the dynamics of the way. The second thing I think that deserves attention is that we need to think in terms of our values first, and the economics then comes along to support the value, not the other way around. We've been seduced by the financial world, and the financial world has a series of rules and concepts and actions, which first of all are crashing by every 10 years now, because they encourage behavior that may make sense if you're in a hedge fund, but don't make sense to the rest of it. So I think one of the things that we're going to have to do is rethink our financing based upon our values, and we have to look ahead. The last thing I'll say before we get on other subject is the effect of climate change on this is going to be dramatic. We are going to be a series of cascading events. Recently, in fact today, I think the CDC apparently lost funding to support one of the labs in China where they had been taking other specimens, because there are a whole lot of other things lined up behind the COVID-19. That's not the only virus out there. These are a series of problems we're going to attack our health care system, and so we're going to have to revise our health care system. We're going to have to revise our economics, and most critically, we're going to have to train people in new fields. Health can be huge. Everyone's going to have to start to rethink how they educate themselves for the rest of their life, not just a one-time job. Bill, thanks for those first thoughts. Quick question, and then I'm going to turn over to Colin and give us some speculations on what happens. Again, we're thinking beyond the immediate medical crisis, and we're looking 18 months down the road. Majority of people, we either develop herd immunity or we have antibodies floating around now in our bodies, so we'll assume that. Let's just assume that. It'll be prolonged, but at some point the medical crisis passes, and then the economic crisis is in full force, and we have to confront it. What's the function of all this mounting debt? I mean, the U.S. has a monstrous debt, and it's getting bigger, and most of the time I remember some very famous Republicans who said nobody cares about debt, but that's not true, debt has a big function. Tell us a little bit about debt, and then I'll turn to Colin. Sure. Right now the U.S. debt is 320, well, the world debt is 320 times the total GDP. The U.S. debt is a little over 106 percent of the GDP. As you know, states can't print money, so we have to every year come within our budget. In the short term, we cannot think about debt. I mean, debt is going to happen. We're going to spend what we have to do to get out of it. The longer-term consequence is going to be we're going to become like our grandparents or our parents. Having gone through the depression of World War II, we're going to start saving, there's a personal matter that's going to be critical, and people don't want to have four weeks of savings and come across a situation like this. So we're going to start saving more, going into debt less, in fact, getting out of debt as fast as we can, on a personal level, at a national level, 70 percent of our economy in services and consumption, that's going to have a cut against the growth of the economy. So we're going to have a prolonged period in which everyone's going to have to save more, everyone's going to have to be smarter about what they buy, stop buying the stuff you don't need. I mean, if this isn't a wake-up call about what you really need and what you don't need, I'm not sure what is. So the debt issue is going to hang over the whole country. We're going to have to pay it off some way, and we're going to have to have some inflation to do that in nominal terms, because that's the way you handle long-term debt. And that leads for the rest of our lives. I wouldn't really have to think this through. I mean, people are going to have to educate themselves and start getting really smart about what they need, like our grandparents and parents did in the 30s. Well, we just have to get more frugal. Colin, what is this tough economic challenge that Bill's outlined for us? And we can talk about the degrees of hurt and pain that are coming. But what's the political input? Let's assume that it's going to be hard and serious. What are the political implications? I mean, it's going to be incredibly challenging for any elected officials to manage this. I mean, there's going to be national implications, and we'll see if Donald Trump can pull off an election victory. I'm skeptical that he can. But locally, I think there's really a couple of ways this could work. And I think right now I'm not terribly encouraged. I mean, right now the response which has from political leaders still has kind of, you know, you still see a lot of the infighting and grandstanding and, you know, kind of petty jealousies that you often see in local politics without more of a larger vision about how we're going to move forward. And I agree with everything that Bill said. I mean, first, this isn't the time to focus on austerity or debt. I mean, this will take federal spending, we hope, and state to get out of this. But in terms of politics, you know, I think that you know, I think you're going to see people's frustration with our political class build and reach a breaking point. Hawaii already wasn't in a good way before this. I mean, let's keep this in mind, although we had a very low unemployment rate and by many measures the economy was prosperous, you saw our population declining, which was always a very serious statistic given, you know, the prosperity and how beautiful of a place it is to live. A lot of working families, younger families, people who really would be the engines of the economy and of our society moving forward of leaving this place to Portland and Las Vegas. I think you're likely to see that increase. I think we're going to see overall decline in our population, particularly among younger families, because like Bill has talked about, tourism isn't going to come back for a long time and it may come back to the economy. But politically what I think is going to happen is frustration you saw from nearly every public opinion poll out there. I mean, Governor E. gave you for this was one of the least popular governors in the entire country. You know, the trust in our state government is by some measures lower than the trust in the U.S. Congress, which is already incredibly low. You know, there's a lot of foreign party state and the Democratic Party here in Hawaii from a lot of voters now that may or may not be fair, but there's this perception I think that the government is not responsive or maybe it's only responsive to a large public sector unions. That's only going to grow no matter what happens, even if they find a great way to manage this crisis there's going to be increasing pressure and anger and frustration on the government. You haven't seen so much of that so far but I think there's a certain rally around the flag effect during crises like this where people are willing to give their elected leaders the benefit of the doubt. As this moves into a long-term economic crisis that's going to start collapsing unless you get some very clear leadership and direction around some of the policies that Bill talked about that. And I'm not sure our political class is really capable of that right now. Go ahead. No, no. I want to just ask you if you thought there will be a turnover in some of the generational leadership that goes on. We have a lot of millennials and others that are coming of age that there's some that are poking their heads up and they're kind of interested but we also know that political leaders tend to want to grasp and retain power ones who've been around for a long time. Do you see this economic crisis being a pivot point? Potentially it could. I mean although I thought you were going to see younger people take more leadership positions in the past or more of the younger progressives run and win office but I actually am not optimistic that's going to happen. I mean I think that would be a healthy thing to happen but I don't think it's going to happen in the short term. I think you're going to see really what tends to be kind of an incumbency racket for them to circle the wagons to protect the incumbents even more and to be even more pressure on people not to sort of upset the card at this point from the Democratic Party and so in the long term maybe we'll see some shifts but I wish I could say something different but I don't expect much dramatic change in the short term. What I do expect is increasing frustration and for younger people the very people who might challenge our existing leaders for them to choose exit rather than voice. In other words for them just to simply leave Hawaii and go somewhere else. Question for both of you then that bridges both of these discussions it has to do with the unions and their influence. We know that we are highly unionized state. We know that the unions exert tremendous influence and pressure sometimes on any kind of changes what happens to that algorithm what happens to the unions simply just dig in and try to maintain the same thing will they be malleable will they change and again that could be very influential to the economics because there will be a fight to retain jobs and the unions will be at the forefront of that. Your thoughts? Bill? Well Beth you go ahead Bill. If there's somebody in the union movement I'm sure there are a few who are shrewd about how they first started and what contracts they made as a social contract with everybody they recognize they can't just stand there and keep doing the same thing over and over again that doesn't work. I mean I was in the state for a long time and the vertical silos are very difficult to penetrate we tried some other techniques which I think would work and if people would be shrewd about doing it you could work and that would start doing things horizontally. We kept meeting for it, we kept supervisors out we got people at roughly the same level so they weren't dealing with somebody that's going to criticize them and we would organize task forces among departments but horizontally and people then could organize themselves and do things. I think the NGO sector is a great source of hope for people to go out and just start doing things and the government may be the last to come along the unions have got to recognize there's a new social contract that has to be negotiated and you can't just stand there and say this person has a job as they didn't commit a felony for six months to the rest of their life it doesn't work. I had to go through the process of firing people in the state that took me a year for each individual person and that's absurd I mean there's no organization in the world that works on a basis that no one should ever be fired it's just not human nature now there's some trade-offs you can make job training for example is one of them if you think you're getting skills you may expect a lower wage for a while if you get skills that will allow you to do things so it's got to be a trade-off here to make it nimble but the nimbleness has got to come through leadership and that's going to have to come with people who are prepared to make some changes and that's the key so one of those tensions is going to be the the ossification and because we know government is very siloed and unions are very influential in all those silos and we're going to have to figure out how to get nimble and the unions probably are going to need to bend on some of what they would normally assert during good times. Colin unions? Economics right economic picture and political picture so the unions are the most arguably the most powerful political actors in the state the public sector unions but I think they realize particularly after some of their authority after the Janus decision was eroded a little bit which has made it easier for people to opt out of those unions I think I entirely agree with what Bill is saying the unions if they want to survive because there's going to be a lot of pressure on them even more resentment than I think normal is normal from a lot of citizens of the state you're going to ask well why should this privileged class of public employees protect their benefits protect their salaries well everyone else is suffering and they're going to have to actually confront those questions it's not going to be enough to just stand on past contracts or past successes because I think the resentment level is going to increase now what I think the unions could do is try to really embrace what Bill is talking about trying to embrace new ways of structuring government and the deliver of public services and to be able to say look people in the union these public sector workers these are the best and the brightest you are getting tremendous value for your money we're the first to kind of police our own we are very open to rethinking about how government is structured how policies and procedures work if they can do that I think they'll actually be able to protect some other salaries and benefits which will be good for their members because unions are a beneficial thing but I don't think they've been very nimble they've actually been some of the least nimble groups in Hawaii and you can see that how slow our government has been to react I mean you know anyone who's worked for a public agency here can talk about how it will drive you to peers sometimes even people inside the agency are trying to get things done it's just demoralizing and I think the union should see themselves as a force for change and not just simply running some job protection program just for those who may not remember it or know it give us the one-sentence version of what Janice said the Janice decision so in short Janice says you can't run a closed shop in other words you can opt out of being a member of the union which you already could but you don't have to pay any dues at all prior to Janice you could opt out of a union and you'd get a certain percentage of the dues refunded now you can opt out and you don't have to pay any dues into the union and the union would argue that that's just creating free riders because those people are benefiting from the collective bargaining contracts good we've got a few minutes left and I would like to ask you both Alan Oshima who's a respected guy and comes out of the electric company and is a regulatory lawyer by training and very wise and smart in the ways of government and business and definitely the ways of Bishop Street what advice would you each have for him if we, if he called if he asked what would we tell him what would we say and he's got a plan he's kind of phasing and staging I'm not quite sure who he talks to who's on his revitalization group or his work group but what's the advice we give him what would we tell him the crisis will pass through it'll take 18 months maybe a little less maybe a little more what advice would you offer him Alan go ahead well the advice I'd offer him and I'd offer this to the rest of the EGA administration as well this plan that they've crafted isn't going to mean much if they can't sell it to the public and I think that they have to figure out a strategy to communicate this and the plan we sort of visionary like they're not wasting this crisis but it has to be a plan that people can buy into that the legislators can buy into and I don't think the communication around much of this crisis has been very good and you know there may be more technocratically oriented people who will say well that's not so important but it is it's essential if we're actually going to develop a coherent strategy that we're able to enact Bill what advice I'd say one if you have to go out and meet with the community and hear them and have people in your committee that are respected leaders in that community talk to cool it talk to people talk to people who've been doing things in the community in the Hawaiian community and don't try to force things through without their input and the second thing is you either grow or you pay more for remaining things so you're going to have to get outside of what's comfortable in your experience and what the people in Bishop Street understand all that they can't just repeat the same pattern they've got to find people who recognize like Ariushi did actually in a lot of ways that you've got to do something that is fundamental in people's feelings and not simply rehashing the same story going over you know like you both I've been watching Cuomo from New York in the mornings and contrasting him with our president and they're very different styles and Cuomo is quite interesting and he brings reporters in who ask smart questions and they have a dialogue he doesn't pretend to have all the answers he brings a lot of facts on the table somehow we don't seem to have that at the moment that kind of eloquence and spokesperson and I don't say that critically I'm in Governor Ege's again he's a nice guy and very collaborative in his own ways but we don't have a tough iconic leader who's grounded in facts which seems to be something that we quite need and I don't know where that will emerge hopefully that comes up in the next year or so as we start to contemplate the change in economics well we have just a couple minutes left talk Peter I'd like to suggest that people look at Roosevelt 1944 State of the Union address in the last section he outlined in the middle of the war mind you this is 1944 before Normandy a second Bill of Rights and in that he outlined things that he's pretty well today and if you read those things you realize in the height of World War II before the invasion of Europe that he was willing to lay that out and having come through the invasion I think people would be amazed at what he said it was a remarkable act of leadership and I think something like that has to be reframed today I would encourage people to look at that as a model this is a time when we really need that I've just finished reading Doris Kern's wonderful book on leadership and the poor president's crisis management and transformation and that interesting nexus that happens when we reach the right moment even though however flawed they may be there is something that is quite above and beyond in those kinds of moments any other thoughts Colin? what they wrote about didn't splinch from telling you what the problem was what Brown about it's like Churchill was but don't hide the don't hide the problem yep Colin I would agree with Bill and to follow the the New Deal example he's given I'll say one of the biggest problems we're going to confront is long-term unemployment and there's nothing worse for people for their psychological health for their physical health than to be employed I think we should look at some sort of works progress administration for the state in the short term I think that would be great that's something we can do right away those were really great great deeds that they did and some of those are lasting things projects on roads on bridges all kinds of things but it will take that cooperation also with the unions to make that happen that's exactly the new compact that needs to be forged gentlemen thank you so maybe our best therapy Bill and Colin thank you so much for this brief conversation May 14th part 2 will take place I'll have with me Don Chang who is a lawyer and a social worker but very much a thoughtful native Hawaiian who looks at a lot of different pieces of what's going on she'll talk to us about culture and Celeste Connors from Green Growth and Aloha Plus Challenge will talk to us a little bit about sustainability and its connection to security so gentlemen thank you so much for joining us and back over to Hailey and Eric at Think Tech thanks Peter


According to the American Psychiatric Association, about 5% of children suffer from ADHD, but 15% of children are given very powerful ADHD medications that can cause lifelong consequences. In this video, I'm going to share with you the story about one child with ADHD so it can maybe broaden your perspective just a little bit. What is up everybody? This is Chris from the Rewired Soul where we talk about the problem but focus on the solution and real quick I just want to thank all of you beautiful people out there who have subscribed to my mental health channel because you care about mental health and please do me a favor this video or any other video I have if you learn something from it if you find this mental health information valuable please share it with other people let's spread a message of hope together to help more people all right but let's get started so first before I jump into this story I do want to put a big fat disclaimer on it this is the story of one specific child with ADHD but this is not classify all children diagnosed with ADHD so I just want to throw that out there because I have a feeling when I make a video like this a bunch of parents are going to come at me all sideways and I don't want that to happen it's probably going to happen but at least I could say I put a disclaimer all right all right so this is the story about a young boy who was born to a mother and father who were on the rocks in their relationship and they thought that having a child might help so the parents ended up getting divorced the mom ended up taking care of the son the dad moved to another state and as this child grows older he's barely seeing his dad not only that but his father has a lot of mental illness issues of his own and he's a struggling alcoholic well the mother she works a ton she makes money she provides she is taking care of this son but as this child is growing older he doesn't get to spend that much quality time with his mother so throughout his childhood and the attachment he grows towards his mom he just wants to spend time with her but due to the mom's work schedule she's constantly traveling she works a ton and she's not able to spend this time with her son as this kid gets older he turns five years old six years old seven years old eight years old as he's growing up he's having more and more issues at school now as he's having these issues at school he's also battling for his mom's attention at home every time that he wants to spend time with his mom she's too busy or she's exhausted from work she gives him a tablet or turns on the tv or tells him to go play with something else because the mom just wants to relax and the kid is crying and he's begging he just wants to spend some time with his mother eventually this mom she finds a new guy and now she's splitting her time between work the new guy in her life and her child but rather than spending more time with her child she's allocating more time towards this new man and every time the mom leaves to go hang out with this man the kid is crying and he's begging just i want to hang out with you mom that's all i want to do as these things keep going the child begins to have more and more behavioral issues at school and the teachers not really sure of what's going on they begin punishing the kid they begin taking away privileges they make him sit by himself he's constantly getting in trouble letters are coming home and due to a lack of education or even a lack of self-awareness the mother can't figure out what's wrong with her child she's told him that he needs to behave she's told him this but the kid still keeps acting up in class over and over and over again why is that so the child is not only acting up in school and having behavioral issues but he's also struggling getting his work done and things like that so with the mom not being aware that the kid is just vying for her attention and since he can't get attention at home now he's seeking attention at school by acting out and the parents are stumped the school is stumped the teacher is stumped they don't know what to do so the next step obviously is to bring him to a doctor and explain to the doctor what's been going on now all of the symptoms all of the symptoms of the child sounds like he might have something called attention deficit hyperactive disorder why can't he sit still in class why is he always being disruptive why can't he focus and pay attention and do what he's told why can't he follow these rules well clearly he has ADHD so why don't we prescribe him a medication that can help him out with that this medication is Ritalin which is an amphetamine this type of drug is sold by teenagers it's sold by college students it's often abused by college students as well but we're prescribing it to a kid who's not even 10 years old yet this is a story that happens way too often like I said in the intro of this video more and more children every single year are being diagnosed with ADHD but as I mentioned in another video I did too many of us are trying to put out the smoke without looking for the source of the fire this is a child who is not getting the attention that he needs or deserves at home so he's trying to get it elsewhere which is leading to the misdiagnosis of ADHD symptoms amongst our youth now I promised you all in my last video I promised you that I would talk about how big pharma is actually manipulating these studies and advertising these different types of medications from antidepressants to opioids to ADHD medications you got to realize this is a multi-billion dollar industry and did you know the United States is one of the very few countries where you can directly market controlled substances to consumers okay Adderall Ritalin all these ADHD medications they are narcotics and they are controlled substances and only in the United States one of the only countries the pharmaceutical companies are allowed to market them directly to you you have a child who's having behavioral issues here's a medication that'll help you out you've been stressed out you've been worried you're a teacher who's having problems maybe you should recommend this medication that'll calm them down you given the medication gets rid of your headache big pharma makes a ton of money now just let you know again that I'm not some crazy person this is an investigative journalist by the name of Alan Schwartz and he wrote a book called ADHD nation so real quick I just wanted to read you a quote from it which states many kids have problems and need help but those problems in many cases will derive from trauma anxiety family discord poor sleep or diet bullying at school and more we must not abandon them we must help but we must also be more judicious in how we do that rather than reflexively giving them a diagnosis of what is generally prescribed as a serious lifelong brain disorder oh yeah what Alan Schwartz is saying is is that we're not saying that ADHD is a made up mental illness but it is not properly being diagnosed there's too many instances way too many instances in our country where there is a very snap judgment that a child has ADHD when there's often other issues going on at home the problem is is that we're creating a new generation of potential drug addicts so why am I making this video and why do I want you to share it with people because there are countless countless studies that have shown by simply spending more time with your child quality time not quantity quality there is a difference what I mean by that is simply being physically at home and not giving your child the attention they deserve that is not quality time but countless studies have proven that spending more quality time with your children can greatly decrease the symptoms of ADHD as well as childhood depression the other reason why I'm teaching this to you and want you to share this video is because there are even more studies even more studies that prove that meditation helps decrease symptoms of ADHD why is that because meditation is scientifically proven they've done the brain scans on it to increase the strength and ability of a part of the brain responsible for focus and concentration so I make these videos to give you as much truth and information about mental illness as possible so we can help more people get treated the right way and as a recovering prescription drug addict I think it's very important that we are careful we are very careful with the type of medications that we're dishing out so again thank you so much for watching and if you like this video please share it please share it on your facebook page or your twitter or your instagram or whatever you can just share this video all right let's get the information out there okay but if you're new here your first time meeting me I'm always making videos to help you out with your mental and emotional well-being make sure you click that little round subscribe button and if you would like click or tap on one of those thumbnails to check out some more videos on this channel all right thanks so much for watching be kind to each other and I'll see you next time


Can we just normalize that design is not just about being pretty? Can we just normalize that designers are not here to make things look pretty? Can we normalize that designers are not here to make things look pretty?


Item number SCP-4813 Object Class FAMIL Special Containment Procedures SCP-4813 is serving as an experimental field use weapon, used in engagements where standard combat procedures fail. Agents are only permitted to wield SCP-4813 if they possess therapeutic training, heightened mental hazard resistance thresholds, and abnormally low emphatic responses. Medical profiles on Researcher B will be provided if these requirements are met. Researcher B has been relieved of all metaphysics department and foundation duties, and is currently residing in an on-site residential suite. No explanation for these actions has been provided. Interaction with Researcher B is to be kept to a minimum by all personnel. Automated systems are to provide all necessary medical assistance. Under no circumstances is Researcher B to be made aware of SCP-4813. Description SCP-4813 is the weaponized self-worth of Researcher B. The conceptualization of SCP-4813 by a sapient subject results in the anomaly manifesting in the subject's immediate vicinity, taking the form of a metaphysical semi-corporeal construct. This is visualized as a human hand in a finger gun gesture, translucent with images of a clear sky suspended inside. Despite its structure, the construct can still be wielded as a normal handheld pistol. Firing the construct releases a luminescent projectile resembling flower petals. The projectile dissipates on contact with any solid material. Targets impacted by the projectile have a copy of Researcher B self-worth implanted into them. The copy is non-weaponized. This thereafter proceed as would be expected from the possession of Researcher B self-worth. Subjects wielding SCP-4813 report periodically hearing an androgynous voice, speaking from an indeterminate source around them. All speech consists of brief statements, separated by pauses that typically last for several hours. Transcripts of select statements are provided below. It could be warmer today.  Did they get the letter yet? It's been a while. What's the trick to repairs again? Can't remember. Have I lost my edge? I've lost my edge. Sorry, I wasn't paying attention to what you were saying. I know. Sorry. Letter was too incoherent. Hope it didn't get there. It did get there though. I can deal. Sky was pretty today. This week was fine. It wasn't. I was. Seeing so many flowers this time of year is always pleasant. Don't make me think about this. I could ask about going outside again, but no. No point in being a bother. Don't make me think about it. Make me think about it. Think about it. What's the point in thinking if I loop regardless? I wasn't thinking. Don't think about it. If the world was recorded, I'd be the one person who fails to stand still when the pause button is pressed. It could be colder today. Since the establishment of current containment procedures regarding researcher The efficacy of SCP-4813 has continually increased.


All right. Hello. Thank you, everybody. Welcome to Detroit. This is kind of weird because I'm only looking at a few people and everybody's over there and over there, but I'll make the best of it, I guess. So yeah, I hope you're enjoying KubeCon this year, and let's get started. My name is John Bellamerick. I'm from Google Cloud. And I want you to want to set the stage a little bit. This is an image of many of Google Cloud's pops of various sorts. But it's not so important that it's Google Cloud, just that you can see it's quite an array of sites. And you can imagine yourself being in the situation of needing to deploy a set of applications across this geographically distributed set of sites. And this isn't something we typically talk about here at KubeCon. At least we haven't over the last few years. Actually, I can take this off now. The few years that we've been doing KubeCon. But it's becoming more and more common. For one, it's exactly the type of scenario that you see phased by telcos who are trying to roll out 5G, which often is built on Kubernetes. But there's other use cases as well, retail edge, where you have tens of thousands of stores, factory automation. In fact, there's enough demand for this that the various cloud providers and others have been coming up with new technologies they call multi-access edge compute, which is basically a rack you can drop in any sort of pop anywhere.  And you wire it up to the cloud. And you can use your cloud APIs to manage that compute resource out of the edge. This is really, really cool, actually, because one of the great revolutions of cloud is that you get this separation between the capacity provisioning and the hardware provisioning of that capacity and the consumption. So we have API on-demand driven consumption, which means other people, like cloud providers, can build that capacity. And you can just rent it and consume it as you need it. And so to be able to take that from just the data center to the edge and spread out across the world, that same consumption model creates enormous opportunities for cloud providers and for our customers, as well as many other people. But what it does also that people don't really talk too much about is it creates an enormous and painful headache for managing the applications and workloads on all those clusters. So what do I mean by that? What are some of these problems? Well, let's think about the decisions we have to make when we decide to deploy even one application, much less a set of interconnected applications as the title of the talk is.  Because just because we say we have edge sites doesn't mean they're all edge clusters. Do you want to put a cluster at every single edge site? What if it's a tiny little edge site with one or two nodes at it? Do you want a whole cluster there or not? Do you want a control plane there? Maybe not. Once you've decided where to put those clusters, how do you decide where to put which workloads? When you pick the place you want to put a workload, how do you decide? How do you specialize the configuration for that particular site? Because if it's a one node site or a 10,000 node site, you may want to configure your workload a little bit differently. And even if it's not, just the IP addresses, things like that may change across those things.  It leaves a lot more problems to solve. To make it a little more concrete, this is a picture of a sort of a very hand-wavy, simplified picture of what you might have out there in the field if you are a telco, for example. So at the very far edge, the left side, that is, you have radio towers. Each of those radio towers has a cabinet sitting at the base. It has a little bit of power going to it and has a handful of machines in it. So that's hundreds of thousands of edge sites there. Maybe a couple of miles from each of those radio towers covering a certain area, you've got a small building with a couple thousand square feet and a bunch of racks in there that can handle that. Maybe a little bit farther away, you've got a bigger data center that can hold more. And finally, maybe three or four dozen in the world, there are these giant cloud regions with acres and acres of machines. You can see that that decision of where do I run the workload isn't just about putting it just using capacity. It's about why does it need to be that close to the end user? What are the latency requirements, for example, that the user needs to interact with that workload really, really on a very low latency basis? And what is the cost of that? The base of the tower is a very limited capacity there. And so it's essentially very high cost. And if you need to make a change, you've got thousands of them out there, hundreds of thousands. And it's very expensive to do. So focusing in a little bit more on workloads, the two boxes on the right, you'll see UPF, AMF, SMF. It doesn't actually matter what that means. I'm not even going to tell you. But what is important here is these are different workloads needed for a 5G core. And they have a relationship with one another. So the UPF is going to run a whole bunch of them closer, a little bit closer to the user. And then this thing called the SMF is going to sit in the middle. And they're all going to talk to the SMF. So this is when I go from, we talked about a single workload a bit, we go to interconnected workloads. They have to talk to each other. They have to talk to each other across these tiers of sites, and not just across sites, but across tiers of sites. And those workloads don't just have to have interconnection, but they're actually interrelated. If you double the number of UPFs you have, you're going to need to increase the memory and CPU of the SMF, where you're going to have to maybe provision another replica or something in another place. So this is what I mean when I say, imagine yourself deploying a set of applications that are interconnected or interrelated across this. So it's pretty challenging. Putting it in user terms, an example of where you might actually do that, and we'll drill into the details of the problems we face when we do this, is one thing that the telcos want to do is private 5G. So they want to be able to rule out a more secure network that's just for your company. So an example might be, I've got these 20,000 trucks in the Northeast US, they're driving all over the place, and they need to send telemetry data back so I can know where they are, and I know whether they're functioning properly, and maybe I'll use it like a CB radio system too. So there's certain latency requirements for that. There's certain bandwidth requirements, but they're pretty low. And so this theoretically, if we can do it properly, it should be cheaper than using the general purpose and, of course, more secure. So just to roll out, we want our customers to come to us with that sort of statement of what they want, and then we have to figure out from there, how do we implement that? So just to do that for day one, we go through some more of those problems I talked about in the abstract in a more practical way, or a more concrete way. We need to identify what are the sites in the Northeast, what types of sites are there? Are these edge sites? Are they cloud regions? Which workload will I run in each one? What are the infrastructure needed? How do I configure the nodes? Because typically there's a reason we're running this workload at the edge. It's not because it's just a generic workload, but it has some special thing it wants to do, which may include a special sensor, and then maybe a GPU or a GPU that processes the data from that sensor. Those things are often not super cloud native, not super fungible, and so you actually end up having to reboot nodes and things to prepare the node, or in telco cases you have to set up special networking. So often there's a preparation step for the node. So there's just all of these problems we have in day one. And even if we figure all that out and we deploy all that and get all that done, we have day two to worry about, so more complexity. We have to monitor and make sure that things stay the way that we've sort of asked them to be, make sure there's no configuration drift. We have to handle changes of the topology. The customer calls up, says, hey, every time my truck's drive up by 95 this far, I lose track of them. And so we need to build out more capacity up that corridor, and that means we're adding more UPFs, and that means we need a bigger SMF. So we have to be able to track all of that and figure all of that out. And if that's not enough, it does get worse. So every single one of these things I've talked about, the topology, the cluster creation, the workload configuration, the workload manifests in Kubernetes, all of those are done by different systems. And your topology might just be a spreadsheet that says here are the sites I have, here's the capacity available, I'm gonna put clusters in these different places. Then you have to call cloud provider APIs to instantiate those clusters. Then you have to call the Kubernetes API server on each of those clusters to insert a workload there. So every single one is done by a different system. You may have vendor specific systems. So if you think about, I said like the UPF and the SMF to know about each other. Well, in this particular case, it's a telco thing. Telcos don't use DNS because we all know that outages are always DNS. And being a DNS person, I can say that. But the, so they actually don't use DNS. They fix IP addresses in these places to just to take a little bit of the complexity out. And so, but that means you need some central source. These aren't cluster IPs, they're not local to a cluster. These are across many clusters. And so you need an IPAM and IP address management system to keep track of all of those IPs and give the right one in the right config at the right time in the right place. And not just in the communities manifest, but in the actual config map that represents the configuration of that particular workload, it needs to have a list of these IP addresses. So how do we do that? We do it with some vendor proprietary management system that probably SSH is into the workload, not into the node, into the actual workload and makes changes and runs commands against it. So tons of complexity, tons of difficulty. All right, so what do we do about it? Why am I here? I mean, I could have just taken the last 15 minutes and just said it's really hard and then skipped all that, but I hope that it gives you a character, a flavor for why it's hard. And it helps guide us to where we wanna go with it. So we were faced with this question from our customers, not just to Telco, but Retail Edge and other customers. And so we sort of gave it a lot of thought and we came up with three basic ideas for how we can dramatically reduce the complexity and hopefully take this seemingly intractable problem and make it solvable or tractable. The first is to stop all this nonsense I was just talking about of many different interfaces to actuate the different layers of the system and come up with some sort of single unified platform for automation across all of those layers. The second one is that whatever that mechanism is, whatever that unified platform is, really needs to solve day two and we have seen from Kubernetes one of the great ways to solve day two is through declarative configuration with active reconciliation. So that means I need to be able to say here's how I want the world to be and I need to have controllers out there or agents out there that are looking at that and then looking at what the world is and trying to make it better. And then the third insight into how we can reduce this complexity is that there's just too much configuration for people to understand or manage. And so we need to make that configuration processable by machines but not just sort of like in a very shallow way but we need to be able to build automations and sort of deeply understand that configuration and can do things like understand that when you scale up this particular workload, it's gonna have an impact on this configuration of this other workload. So in order to do that, the machines have to understand the configuration in a pretty deep way. All right. Those are the insights or the theory. How do we actually make it happen? Well, the first two we have decided we can address with Kubernetes everywhere. So this doesn't mean that we're gonna rewrite all vendor's software to be natively Kubernetes because that will never happen or it will take 20 or 30 years. So we're not gonna try and do that but what it does mean is that we need a layer. We need an API that represents those configurations within Kubernetes resources. And then we need actuators or controllers for actually applying that configuration on the lower layer. So this is not some great insight of ours. This is what everybody here has probably been doing for four or five years with operators and CRDs but it's really more about that we're going to apply this consistently across all of these layers and we're going to make sure that that intent-based sort of declarative management is the style we use. And specifically picking Kubernetes not just because we wanted to be able to come to KubeCon but because it's a well understood extensible framework for building these kind of platforms that has at least some mileage under its belt and a great ecosystem. The third bullet, we're addressing with something we call configuration as data. So this is a new approach to configuration management and you may have played with it some. Customize is sort of our first foray into this but it's got its challenges and its limitations and we're trying to make that better through some new tooling and technology. But this is a sort of recognition that existing configuration management, templating systems like Helm have some, they have their place and they have a certain role but they're not effective at the level of scale we're talking about. And part of the reason is that every single Helm chart is effectively creating a new API. The values file itself is a new API that's specific for that individual package. It's really, really hard to write automations that have to deal with bespoke interfaces for every single thing they wanna automate. In fact, it's not just hard, it's really pointless and impossible. So the idea here is based on four essential principles. One is represent the configuration in well-defined structured data model and we use KRM, Kubernetes Research Model for that which shouldn't shock anybody here. The other is use a GitOps model. So put that into a version store prior to the live state. Now the reason for this is that it enables one, it enables things like undo or rolling back which is important but it also gives us a pre-actuation or a pre- runtime place where we can coordinate our interactions in a configuration. And this is a key sort of enabler is this idea of collaborative coordination between independent actors on the configuration. I'll explain that by that a little more in a minute. Another main point is that tools operate on the config and those tools are reusable. So this one I tend to think of, if you look at templating systems, what they do is they intermingle your code and your configuration. They treat the configuration as text and the code is sort of wrapped all around it and you feed in some inputs and it spits out some hopefully well-formed YAML in the end. That doesn't work very well at scale and it doesn't make reusable pieces of code and testable pieces of code. So I tend to think of it a little bit like the journey that industry made from writing individual bespoke programs with bespoke data structures in order to produce your TPS report in COBOL or whatever. You had to write some very specific program that processed a very specific data structure and output something. But then eventually somebody said, hey, let's make streams in Unix. Well, everything will just be a stream. And then they said, hey, let's put a little structure on that. Let's make line breaks. Now all of a sudden we have line editors and WC and all these tools that can operate on any stream of data that follows this very simple structure. You had column breaks in there and all of a sudden you can build a relational database management system on top of this very simple structure. So just a little bit of structure can enable highly reusable tools. And in a similar way, configuration as data says, let's just put a little bit of structure. Actually it's a lot of structure when you think about Kubernetes resource model with metadata and all of this stuff. And then we can build tools that can expect that structure to be there and they can make assumptions and operate on it because it's there. So it ends up being quite powerful. Last main point on configuration as data and I could talk about configuration as data for hours so I have to be careful not to run out of time is that the clients interact via APIs. So we put an API layer on top of that storage instead of them directly interacting with storage. This allows for much better concurrency and sort of consistent transformations of that configuration by these independent actors. So I'll give an example later about the independent actors. So that's our approach. That's today in, we have a suite of open source tools called Kept. Quarantine config sync that kind of embodies our current work towards configuration as data and that's our solution. So this is a lot of things to accomplish and Google Cloud did not feel like it's something that we should try to do all on our own which is why we made open source projects but we even went a step further and we joined up with Linux Foundation and we created a new top level Linux Foundation project called Nephio and we got a bunch of our friends in the industry to join us in this effort which when we launched back in April, we had about two dozen and now I think there's 60 or 70 different companies. Telcos are a lot of the representation mostly because they operated a scale that they're running into these problems. A lot of these problems you don't hit until you hit scale. So everything seems fine and then you try to get to a certain level of scale and you're toast. So that's why we have got a lot of Telcos and they're vendors but it really is not a Telcos specific problem. This is more of an edge fleet problem and it applies to edge applications as well. So the idea and the goal of Nephio is to implement this vision we just talked about. At a very high level, we do this and I do say I'm pretty low on time to leave any time for questions but at a very high level, what we do is we take and we build an orchestration cluster this is one management cluster that kind of has a bunch of contains these APIs that sit on top of the a top of the storage layer that manages the configuration and we use that those APIs to implement Kubernetes controllers that can operate on top of those configurations. So these configurations we, I'll use the word package a lot. A package is a little bit like a Helm chart except that it's all KRM inside. There's no templates that might be O form or anything like that. So it's all sort of machine processable because it's KRM. So the idea is that you can take these packages that you're vendor, you're off the shelf vendor that makes some edge application produces and you can clone them into your environment, modify them with automation, these controllers and human inputs collaboratively and then you push them to a Git repo where it gets realized on an API server via a Git sync or like config sync we're using in our reference implementation but something like Argo CD works just as well. So that's the sort of platform level architecture we need in order to solve this problem but we also need sort of content for that platform to process. By content I mean kind of the packages or the models that represent the things we want to create. So make that a little bit more concrete. This diagram shows three sort of swim lanes vertically along like this. The very left hand side is infrastructure. So the idea is we need a model for infrastructure. We need kept packages that represent a cluster that represent a network and we need to be able to run them through that configuration process and realize them. So we're not gonna produce in Nefio new actuators for clusters. We already have a cluster API and we have Kubernetes Config Connector which is for Google Cloud. We have ACK for AWS. Azure has another thing. We have crossplane. We have a number of ecosystem tools that play that role but what we do is provide linkages to our automations for those different tools. So that's the idea. The middle swim link are the workloads. So remember we talked about you've got to deploy a workload across a set of clusters. First you have to deploy the set of clusters. That's the first swim lane. Then you have to deploy those workloads. That's the second swim lane in ordinary edge applications. Those are just Kubernetes resources, ordinary Kubernetes resources. In telco we can take it a little further because there's sort of these special models of what a UPF and AMF is and SMF and different vendors can implement them but effectively that's the content again that this platform needs to process. The third one is application config. This is sort of farther out but the idea is what we talked about earlier. The application has to know, has to be reconfigured potentially when a new workload that's related to it comes up. We need a way to actuate that through KRM but there's a lot of variability in how that's done so that's a couple of years out. Okay, so that is sort of the, that in the previous slide there's sort of the platform, the content, how we move content through an FEO platform but what does the user interaction look like because I know this is pretty abstract and can be hard to grasp. So from a user point of view, we sort of tend to think of it as a few different types of users. One type of user is that ISV, independent software vendor who's got some package software that they make and they sell that they want customers to be able to deploy on their edge sites. Another one is an organizational platform team or in the Talco case it's like a network designer. They may want to take that off the shelf package, they clone it into their environment and they customize it for their particular organization. They add some policies, they add some configuration that points to some central services, they configure the IM that they use, things like that that apply to anything running in their organization and then you've got your app teams or your deployers. They're gonna further specialize that package by cloning it to their environment. So we're using multiple Git repositories to clone this package, but it's not just a fork like in GitHub. This is actually done in a special way and this is part of the kept functionality for configurationist data where when we clone that we keep track of the upstream and this is super important because we're keeping track of the upstream not just like it's in that spot but the actual tagged revision of that upstream and this is how we start to address day two. So you can imagine, you take the package software, you clone it to your local environment, you create your own version of it, you've got 50 app teams that all clone that into their own 50 environments and then, and we'll get there in a second, they fan out on across 10,000 clusters. Now the guy in the upstream software vendor says, oh, there's a security vulnerability new image being all of a sudden we need to ripple that day two operation all the way out to those 10,000 clusters because we've tracked upstreams, we can actually automatically in a machine processable way or a completely automated way propose changes to those configurations all the way down at the end with the new image in them and we can canary them and roll them out. So that tracking of upstream and that cloning of the packages and that machine processable nature of the configurations can enable some really incredible automations. I'll take one more minute to describe one more little bit of that automation. So after that app team deploys that, one of the things I talked about earlier was we really want humans and machines to be able to interact with the configuration to make it all come as one. I'll be a complete configuration and so to make that like really specific, I don't want a giant script that takes every possible input and tries to create 10,000 instances of a package across 10,000 environments. What I want is individual automations that understand a very narrow thing. So as an example, I can include in a package a little resource that says I need an IP address here and I need that IP address to be based on the fact that I'm this type of workload that I'm connecting to this particular network which might get defined by the cluster I'm being deployed in and I'm in this particular site, this particular geographical region. So these three pieces of information are very, when we fan out the variance of that package across those 10,000 clusters, those three pieces of information are going to vary or at least two of them are going to vary for each one of those instances of that package. We've actually created separate instances of those packages, those configurations.  We're actually storing in Git the actual configuration that's going to be for that particular cluster. And there's a controller. There's a controller sitting in the management cluster that's watching for new revisions that contain that resource that says I need an IP address. And that controller can pick up that configuration. See, oh, you need an IP address and those are the three parameters. I'm going to go talk to my IPAM system. I have a central IP address management system in my organization that has an API and this controller is going to go talk to it. It's going to allocate an IP address out of it and it's going to inject it in that configuration and it's going to do that 10,000 times with 10,000 different IP addresses across 10,000 clusters. And so now I was able to build that automation that does that integration with IPAM once and I can use it across every single workload that I deploy across my entire organization forevermore and test it once. So this is the kind of focused narrow automation and reusability that I'm looking to get out of this. So that's kind of the big picture story of Nafio. And we have another event coming up mid-November. We'd love for anybody to join us there. We're going to have a three full six hour workshop. Anyway, information is all on the wiki there. There's a bunch of information here. Any questions? Yes, sir. Can you, I'm really hard, I'm sorry. Can you speak up? Oh, here, good, better. Hello. Hey, thanks by the way, great talk. What I was asking about is at one point in the talk you mentioned, users can interact with these rollouts too. So something like Argo for syncing configuration would work. How would, what would that look like in the setup? Like you had the configuration sync. So I'm not really talking about Argo workflows here. I'm just talking about the get sinker piece. So essentially, and I'm not an Argo expert. So I can't say in detail. I do know that some of our customers want to use that in place of config sync and that it should be able to serve that role. But Nafio is new, we're still building it. Several of our community members have expressed interest in that as well. So I'm sort of looking to them to build that integration. But essentially, the final completed configuration gets pushed into a get repository, but it has to get somehow from the get repository to the actual API server. And so we need a get sinker agent to do that. And that's the role I would see it playing. There may be other integrations possible as well. Yes. Oh, okay, over there. In the black sweater and then the blue sweater. So how does it integrate with OS and BSA systems? Because you talked about the left side package management, right? So do we have the APIs that the systems can integrate with? So that's a good question. So that's something we're looking again. I'll pump that to the community. We're looking at the community to solve that. There is a desire to implement some of the standards APIs. Personally, in my opinion, so I've talked for example to folks from some of the service orchestration companies and they're like, well, yeah, just whatever API you have is fine. It can be a Kubernetes API. So they don't really care, right? They're gonna build an integration anyway. They're happy to just build it to a Kubernetes API. So we did talk early on in the community about building some interfaces that provide standards based APIs. And if necessary, that's something we can do. But really we're downstream of all of those. We're southbound of all of those. So we may need to present some standards based on the Northbound API. Sir, in the blue. Do you have any canadian capability? Is it like rolling out all the clusters at the same time or can we roll out to like maybe 10 clusters first and then test it and then roll out to it? I'm sorry, can you repeat that I couldn't quite follow? Do you need to roll out to all the clusters at the same time or can we? No, definitely not. So the idea would be that, so each of these packages goes through lifestyle stages. There's a draft stage. So when all this editing is happening with controllers and humans all jumping in there, I think one of our community members calls it choreography. When that's happening, they're in a draft state. And actually we model this after the same way if you're familiar with readiness gates for pods. So pods have conditions. And when a certain set of conditions have been met and may come true, then we flip a readiness gate to true and that's when the endpoints controller will add it to a service. We do exactly the same thing. We like to learn lessons from other people. So we package revisions, have conditions. Once a certain set of conditions are met, which is definable by the package author, then we can go to a publishable state. Once we're in a publishable state, then we'll actually end up on the cluster. So we can either have a rollout controller that toggles the publishable state or we can have a rollout controller that toggles the get sinker configuration in the edge cluster to base, to twiddle the commit it's pinned to. There's different ways we can actuate rollout but absolutely rollout's part of it. We just, you know, we're new. We haven't gotten there yet. I think I'm out of time. One more. I can, one more question? All right. Hi, great talk, by the way. So I wanna ask, so this is all using gate repositories, right? So, how do you think about using, like, are there any discussions regarding OCI? So instead of using OCI, instead of using get use OCI because OCI is more scalable that way? Yes, absolutely. So in fact, Porch, which is the API layer, it's the configuration, it's sort of kept as a service, kept as a CLI tool. Porch is the API surface we put on top of Git. It also can write to OCI. So actually, for a lot of these edge type of work, that is likely will end up using OCI, it's just, it's a subtlety most people don't get, so I just talk about GitOps, but yeah, absolutely. Good question. All right, well, thank you all very much. Enjoy the rest of your day.


Yeah, let's talk some cricket now on the SportsMagZone, round five of the Cricket West Indies regional four-day competition, bowled off earlier on Wednesday with all eight teams in action at four venues across three countries. Let's begin our day one recap at the Queen's Park Oval in Trinidad and Tobago, where the TNT Red Force were bonded out for 172 in 53.5 overs after electing to bat against Barbados Pride. Former West Indies captain Jason Holder, second game of the season. He was the pick of the Pride bowlers, grabbing figures of 4-4-47, as left under Amir Jhangu provided the lone resistance for the Red Force with a patient and unbeaten knock of 93, Josh Seven short of his century, Barbados then got to Stomps at 99 for four, 73 runs behind Zakhar Makski. Remember, he went to Australia with the West Indies test squad. He so far top scored with 46. Staying in Trinidad and Tobago, where the West Indies Academy constructed an impressive first innings after being inserted by combined campuses and colleges at the Sir Frank Warren Memorial Ground, the Academy boys were eventually dismissed for 300 in 78.3 overs thanks to an unbeaten 7-6 from Carlton Bowen Tuckett. We saw him at Savannah Park last week with a patient knock to keep them in the game and that of course was against Yannick Ottley who claimed 5 for 47, CCC then got to Stomps at 11 for 1 with Damiel Evelen, 10 in position, Mottara 1 at the crease. Over in Antigua, the Ghana Harpy Eagles ran it from 77 for 3 to Pylon 308 in 80.5 overs after electing to match against Windward Islands volcanoes at the Coolidge Cricket Ground. Kevin Sinclair led the Harpy Eagles mid-law to resistance with a top score of 74. He's been very good, Kevin Sinclair. While Darryl Cyrus was the pick of the Windward's bowlers with 5 for 67, the Windward's got the close of play at 12 without loss trailing the Harpy Eagles by 296 runs. And only 51.4 overs were possible on day one at Savannah Park right here in Jamaica as the Scorpions who were inserted by the Leeuwin Islands Hurricanes recovered from 59 for 5 to batter to 173 for 6 before Reign brought an abrupt end to the day's play. Opener Carlos Brown finally getting a half-centred this campaign, his very first although he's been really consistent at the top of the order. He's on beaten on 68, Jeremiah Louie as he's done for the entire season getting that bowl to move around, he's taken 3 for 34 for the Hurricanes. So Mariah, that is it from day number one of round five in the regional four day championships, some good performances but well I don't want to say but because you had a couple of scores over 300 but the bowlers very much involved in this opening day. Yeah, very, very involved and you can see that by the total of the Red Force of course 172 all out Ricardo that was one of the matches that I started my morning with so looking at the match of course their opener Vikash Mohan was dismissed for the first ball so they started instantly they started that match on the back foot they went on losing wickets, losing wickets, luckily for Amir Jango and we have to remember that Amir Jango came into the squad because Jed Gulley picked picked up that injury, Amir is somebody I know as a kid like I would literally, growing up I used to score because my uncle had a team for cricket. You used to score for cricket? Yeah, so I used to score for Mosai Sports Club right and because of that I got the opportunity at a very young age to of course interact with a lot of these players. Amir was one of the players that really caught my attention as a little boy, one because of his stance and two when he was a little boy. Yeah, he's a lot younger than I am, Amir is a lot younger than I am. Yeah, I'm just clarifying something, it's fine. Yeah, and of course you know he, the fact that he has always been so focused to Ricardo on you know making it big and you know making his parents proud recently had him on in case you missed it and you know I asked him about the challenges that he has faced into making it into the West Indies set up and one of the things he said to me in that interview was that you know whenever he gets the opportunity he really hopes that he can capitalise on it and I think today Amir this 93 is setting you up in the right direction this 93 not out when all his teammates were of course collapsing for very little scores so I am personally very very proud of that score and I hope he can continue you know along that path. And the truth is as a player all you can do Mariah is do the best you can, put the scores on the board, take the wickets and leave the rest up to the selectors and the truth is in West Indies cricket at this time you feel as if there are always opportunities to get into the West Indies side and so it's important that you just get the runs on the board. I was happy to see Jason Holder getting wickets today as well taking four. We all know the quality of Jason Holder as an all rounded cricketer in all formats of the game but remember he decided not to go to the test tour of Australia because he wants to focus on T20 cricket. Maybe it was just me but when he said that I also thought to myself that maybe he wouldn't play the regional four day season either as part of that focus on the limited overs version or the shortest format of the game this season and so I was pleased to see him playing last weekend and even more pleased to see him taking four wickets today and really leading for Barbados as they skittered out Trinidad and Tobago Red Force. Yes so of course you know Trinidad and Tobago Red Force on the back foot. Another one of the matches that I found exciting and one of the players that again I had the opportunity to interact with Yannick Ottley in that match Windy's Academy versus CCC leading the CCC bowlers with a five for 47 and you know in domestic cricket in Trinidad and Tobago Ottley was always a name that you know we would look out for in the scorecard Ricardo because he'd always be dominant with bat and ball so today to see him again being among one of the leading wicket takers really really happy for him CCC now trailed by 289 runs so they will have a lot of work to do seeing that they have already lost a wicket they're batting 11 for one so they'll need to refocus and come tomorrow really try to get that score. Yeah and of course his brother Kieran Ottley in the West Indies set up at 32 years old I don't know. Remember that controversial discussion with the Bravo one. Let's not get back to that controversial discussion shall we but yes quite a good performance. Sabina Park the Jamaica Scorpions struggling with the bat in their first innings again 6 for 100 and 73 is what I think they ended at Carlos Brown who's a young man who's batted pretty well all season for the Scorpions. He continues to get starts Mariah without pushing on his highest score before this match was 48 and he had gotten a number of 30s as well so he gives himself a chance. That's the thing I like about him. Every time Carlos Brown goes to the crease he gives himself a chance to but a lot of deliveries and to make some runs and it's good to see that finally it's come together for him today. He is not out on 66. I think it is 68. So he is 32 runs away from a century and I really hope that he can get that century on tomorrow's second day weather permitting of course because it's been raining cats and dogs in Jamaica since early afternoon. One would say but again Jeremiah Louie very very good for the New Orleans. I because of the discussion we had with Nikhil on Monday I decided that I wanted to take a close look at Jeremiah Louie here and I have not seen any fast bowler in this season that has come to Kingston or that has come to Jamaica to play in this tournament and we know that a lot of matches have been played in Jamaica so far whether at Shedwin Park Kensington Park or Savannah Park and I have not seen anybody move the ball in the way that I saw Jeremiah Louie do it today and I don't think we see that enough in regional cricket for more regional bowlers. He's not the fastest in the world but he's doing a lot with the cricket ball and I can understand why he has taken as many wickets as he has so far in this tournament. Yeah yeah really happy for him and you know one of the things when I watch regional cricket I see so much class and so much talent from these players and it always confuses me as to why when they get the opportunity into the windy setup they're not able to convert what we see from you know regional cricket into that level. You know why Mariah just look at this first-class season. Tell me the one name that every single round every single innings at least from a batting standpoint that's the name you hear every time. I can probably find a bowler but you're asking for too much when you say about the bat. It's always a different batsman. Yeah yeah. Every round it's always a different batsman and that's the issue consistency to be the best at the highest level you have to be able to do it match in match out innings in innings out and that's what we're not seeing. We're seeing players doing well and different players doing well in different matches but we're not seeing that one or two persons who are able to do it every single time. Yeah well that's a note where we will be wrapping this segment but we have interactive and a lot of fun stuff coming up in interactive so stay with us.