ey all right what's it what was his point really what i got from it is that he says that you you perform a bit of mischaracterization and you take what he said and turn it into haters gonna hate when no that's i'm saying that he's saying well that's i was gonna say it's like if if he if i hit everything said people are going into this film hoping to hate it like are you saying haters gonna hate yeah that yeah that's pretty simple it's very logical then makes a joke believed or not through a voice juxtaposing the cute kid with the aggressive vitriol i think the response to the last jedi has kind of left fans in a weird place yeah i thought it sucked and i want everyone involved to die horribly and rags then reflects i cheese point of view by voicing i love the last jedi so much that i think it's a good idea to instantly paint the people who didn't like it as a punk yeah there are extremes on both sides yes excellent point rags it's almost i wasn't i wasn't actually marking him i think my voice was pretty good yeah and uh so rags pastes a picture of i hate everything on himself and he makes a silly voice and you're saying hey rags stop taking i hit everything seriously when he's making a silly voice it's like can't we just say that right back to you that's the problem with this video it's so beyond um like not self aware because honestly i got i got a lot of compliments on my itchy voice and and i and i thought i was all right considering i don't normally do voices but i thought it was pretty good i was all right bunch of haters which i didn't care for it first but this comes back later all right because that makes a lot of things i didn't care for it very well you didn't care for it mind the point of what i was getting at but okay she says that people hated the last jedi for some reason it seems to me that the accepted opinion is now that this film is really bad and it ruins star wow it's something with two uploads and and now we're this is why i hate everything's video is retarded it's like wait so now he's talking about people saying that it's a bad film rather than people saying directors need to be killed hey he got a comrad muskovic and he's connecting together here and and plus he very prominently displays the last star wars movie that i'll ever see okay they didn't like the movie they didn't want to see yeah how is that different than saying i'm done with destiny and yeah wolf is right he's he's thrown in comrad muskovic in there for some reason and obviously rance correctly points out well if that's the accepted opinion then maybe you should explore why people have that opinion sounds pretty reasonable to me and you shouldn't say things like for some reason when the internet is full of videos and chocked with reviews of people explaining why they feel that way although i actually does finish his sentence with even though star wars was already ruined three times prior implying that he's not suggesting whether i don't even think that's a counter to what rike said yeah that's not that's not saying that oh you can't star wars was ruined what 10 years 20 years ago already so like three bad star wars movies came out 20 years ago so star wars as a brand was ruined and it's too late you can't have a bad movie now once there's a bad movie i can't get but it's not like me and wolf get progressively more depressed every time an alien film comes out yeah i mean like there were a lot of people who saw rogue one and it like really revitalized how they felt about star wars yeah and some people like some people said rogue one was the death of star wars and then they'd be like no last jedi's revitalized the solo's the death solar revitalized these it's all over the place is it is it that on is that is it that unreasonable to say that people's excitement for a series ebbs and flows yeah i mean you look at especially when you look at games ask people you know how they feel about games like call of duty or assassins creed these series that have high moments and low moments and a lot of people like this game and hate this game and ask 10 different people and you'll get 10 different answers so this is the same way tro really not paying attention to i had everything's video how could you say such negative things about a product that's all about positivity and then also exactly what do you mean he keeps reestablishing that i hate everything shits on the prequels all the time it's like you realize that's a part of the exact same series the series about keeping the darkness away going for the light holding on to the light keeping away the darkness that's what i mean it's such a hypocritical video but like tiara is doing his best to just try and ignore those bits i guess star wars last jedi is a good or bad movie but he's emphasizing that the franchise will likely be fine as a whole mostly independent from your opinions on the last jedi now if i was in rags not what rags responded to yeah why are you talking about stuff that wasn't at all to do with what rags said does jeez this position i would also respond that the last jedi is in a very different place from the prequels and that the prequels being bad films couldn't really have too much implication on the established sequence that already been set up by the original trilogy what in the f*** did he just say um you're gonna have to redo because i was about to pause and ask the same thing i don't have any idea why they feel that way although i g does finish his sentence with even though star wars was already ruined three times prior implying that he's not suggesting whether star all that would say is that you can ruin it multiple times so it's not really ruined that was weird make internet cut out for a second oh okay oh nothing nothing of substance was said well i didn't expect that wait is the video still up to date with you is it on 1545 uh it is now like it cut out if you haven't heard what he's about to say and he's gonna do the thing where he puts all the words on screen which by the way i don't like to say this right i feel kind of mean saying it but i don't know about you guys do you watch colossals crazy at all no i didn't so i've been a big fan of colossals crazy for a long time i know tiaro and colossals crazy of friends and colossal is tiaro feels like colossal is crazy light as in he does he's very similar uh and that that little like words going boom boom boom boom on the screen i could have sworn that started with colossal but i'm just it's bad putting it out there don't do that it feels a lot like tiaro because this is the thing colossal did uh he would cover specific people or like a topic something that's relevant he doesn't do it as much anymore he just takes fucking ages to do anything but like tiaro seems to have sort of taken over always trying to take over and he also happens to have the pompous british accent which by the way i'm not saying it's a bad accent like it's what colossal has and i love colossal's accent but it's just there's a lot of little things where i'm like oh it's not really your own thing there but hey and plus when people can listen to what you're saying and understand you don't confuse it by having the words flash up like that just just don't it's extra work just don't do it well i mean i've got my own issue with that i think that's just lazy editing because you're like what else am i going to do i'll just flash the words on screen to make sure people are fully asleep it's bizarre to me here's the worst way that i could do subtitles but to clarify i do actually i'm okay with influence right like you can see a style of art and be like i want to try and do that myself and that's fine i just uh there's just so many little things in tiaro's videos that are like i've seen this before you know the one that keeps getting again you guys have no reference for this so i apologize obviously but there's i don't know where they're getting it from but there's a source where you know like it shows people you've never seen before in really clean environments just walking around or doing a thing i saw that a lot and i ate everything's videos then i saw it a lot in colossal's crazy videos and now i'm seeing it in tiaro videos and they also do a thing where you show a guy who's on his ipad and he's like sifting through things and there's a green screen on the ipad that you can crop out with chroma keyer and then you put the video you're talking about in it to make it look like this guy is watching that video and like that props up more in tiaro videos now as well which is just interesting all these little connections again you can do it it's fine it's just um i don't know i prefer it when you you you watch a video and you're like this is completely their own style it's cool i guess you can't really do that for tiaro anyway because he's got several editors so they all have different styles so maybe it's not even him maybe it's the people who are editing have gotten well whoever did edit it just don't save yourself the time don't have it be there oh yeah well here we go wolf do your best to understand what he's about to say you're ready for this yeah i am so ready uh movie please emphasize that the franchise will likely be fine as a whole mostly independent from your opinions on the last Jedi now if i was in ranks' position i would also respond that the last Jedi is in a very different place from the prequels and that the prequels being bad films couldn't really have too much implication on the established sequence that already been set up by the original trilogy therefore so what did he say pull out a bullshit i don't understand like i'd be genuine we've done this before with movie bob i'm not a hundred percent sure of what that was what do you say yeah i'm gonna give it one more try and be yeah let's give it genuinely as honest as i can trying to figure last day is a good or bad movie please emphasize that the franchise will likely be fine as a whole mostly independent from your opinions on the last Jedi now if i was in ranks' position i would also respond that the last Jedi is in a very different place from the prequels and that the prequels being bad films couldn't really have too much implication on the established sequence that already been set up by the original trilogy so is he saying the prequels being bad doesn't really affect the ot because that's totally not true um for example Darth Vader now has a full history so whenever you watch the originals you can see Anakin if you want that's something that a lot of people complain actually that's something that i hate everything complained to us about remember wolf uh he said that the prequels ruined Darth Vader and Yoda oh yeah so not even i hate everything agrees with you there i was so young when the prequels came out i i can't really i i don't know what the general acceptance was of them i i don't know um i know what the acceptance of them now is but at the time i don't know but i i still don't really understand what he's saying um if i will some people in the chat are saying that we've we've got it right in terms of what he's trying to say and my only question is why did you say it like that like not only that fast not only with the editing style but the choice of sentence structure like the the words you chose to explain it doesn't matter how bad the seek the prequels are because they don't affect what moves on from the originals like that's pretty much what he's saying i think yeah i think that's what he's saying but then again there's not as much as i feel like there's looking back i feel like there's more about the last Jedi that singularly goes against the OT than all of the prequels oh absolutely i that's actually a debate that we had with um i had everything and like he said that seeing Yoda with a lightsaber is partially what ruins Yoda in the original trilogy and i believe me a wolf actually argued on the opposite of that i'm not sure where you stand on that wolf but for me i don't see Yoda with a lightsaber ruining Yoda in the OT because i mean he's a jedi and jedi have lightsabers so i don't see that fucking problem i would have preferred that his lightsaber was like there but he never used it but it doesn't ruin anything for me well a lot of i mean the fact that it's present doesn't pose an issue a lot of people highlight the fact that yoda's very like you know like a camera what his statement is but he's like never use the force to attack and then they'll splice that with a scene of him going like brah against Count Dooku and my perspective on that is like yeah but that was before so Yoda lost every one of his jedi he lost his temple he lost everything it's like he might that might change him a bit he might have some interesting things to say about the force and the jedi after that not to mention wasn't most of Yoda's use of the force in attack of the clones uh to keep Dooku from killing Anakin and Obi-Wan who were you could definitely argue as a defense yeah he uses it to defend people what seems like a jedi thing to do so yeah it's an i'm not saying any definitive right now it's an interesting conversation to have i'm merely pointing out that um i hate everything himself has declared that the prequels have a residue that's attack the ot so to say that it's they're separate from each other just doesn't make sense really to me especially considering they're all sequels so we're part of a a through line so they all affect each other this this segment is he's saying what i what he would have said in my place and you wouldn't have said this so but the thing is didn't he criticize me for making the video all right yeah well this will just be another one to count on that tiaro is saying our rags should say his video even though he said rags shouldn't do that with i had everything's uh yeah that's all right it's fine it's fine this this video feels like christmas lights were you just trying to untangle all of it like i don't know this like you just kind of want to shake it around hopefully that they're kind of loosening each other up will we just shake it you throw it around therefore it's understandable the last year i may feel like it had more of an effect on the future star wars films as a whole but that's just my two cents on but i don't know what we don't know what the future films will be like what we do now but at the time we didn't know what the effects would be well you said that's just my two cents that means you can't criticize him yeah i mean i'm just what i'm saying is i'd have no idea what episode nine will be like and i have this morbid curiosity about what they'll do you know oh you know what that just made me uh someone just left in the comments as well what i said could be extrapolated as a defense of yoda as a defense of luke saying that what yoda went through changed him um i said in my videos luke could change to become the luke in the last Jedi but we have to see the events that would have done it we saw the events that would have like do you remember the scene where yoda reacts to all of his jedi being murdered yeah and even then yoda and the way that yoda treats luke and the way that luke treats rey yeah and and we get to see yoda in the council what like eight times or something ridiculous we get to see him planning in the war we see him with the the kid the wookies he fights palpatine like we get loads of yoda stuff for why he would have had it down for the first time yoda sees luke is he puts on the act as a way to test luke yeah there's a lot there's a lot to work with it while luke gets gets one flashback three times so you know yeah but kanto we got kanto bite we got kanto bite that's that's fair rax then says it took years and years and years for people to turn on the prequels and basically i would cite plinkett's video was the the big uh culture shift for that one i was one of many people who watched that and was like oh yeah the prequels aren't as great as i thought like that genuinely and i can't remember how old i was when that released i think it was 2009 because it was the it was the plinkett reviews for me too and those have millions and millions and millions of views and that in it is cited today uh remember when um the the last jedi video when plinkett's last jedi video came out there were articles written about it and those articles about the last jedi video plinkett did often referenced how impactful culturally the plinkett reviews on the uh the fan of menace were yeah and this is the thing uh rags is not saying that nobody hated the prequels when they came out because every there's always someone who hates something that's just obvious that's a standard what he's saying here because i know that this is going to be twisted what rags is saying here is that like the hatred we're seeing for the last jedi was nowhere near what the prequels got until many years later yeah but then that actually turned into memes which was nice it took days it took week i mean it wasn't even months or weeks after the last jedi that people were like uh and it's just guessing it kept getting worse it started out bad and it kept getting worse and worse and worse yeah turn them into me and although i would not agree and i say many dislike the prequels on release as well as the fact the critic score never really changed i would definitely agree they're more unpopular now than they yeah but what one thing that's important to note is that the professional critic review at the at the time the internet wasn't like it is today um the way to back then the critic score was far more easy to acquire and put out and relied upon so yeah i mean if we're gonna go by the scores too it's just it's objectively factual that it's got a lower audience score than phantom ennis then attack of the clones it's historically isn't it the lowest rated star wars film in history that's what i remember reading it is yeah um and it didn't take long for that to happen and it i don't think it's gone up since and it took and it happened way quicker too it got a lower score far far quicker then were then ranks then however firstly uses rotten tomatoes once again to state objectively the last jedi is the most unpopular star wars film with audiences that would be a truth then wouldn't it yeah that seems to be uh yeah it's a true statement and this you got to be so slow and careful with the words here because some people like to twist it and be like how could it be objective if it's based on people's feelings it's like no we're saying yeah that a overall score look the objective result of the overall mean uh review is this number compared with this number these are things that are undisputable because they're on the site like that's the two different things rags not i'm glad he didn't say rags is trying to say that the film is definitely bad because people said it was you know like nothing like that don't as long as he doesn't go that way the last jedi and by a considerable margin is the worst rated by audience star wars film that has ever existed it took the prequels many many many years for people to turn on them for the films that they really were despite the fact that rolling tomatoes in no way necessarily actually reflects universal audience that's normal rags said though yeah that's not what i said i knew he's gonna do that like i'm i'm saying it's the lowest score and i can i've fucking put out tweets and shit with screenshot just look at the numbers was what number some numbers are higher than other numbers man that's meant on a film particularly due to target demographics that are more likely to use this yeah there's a million influences that go into the rotten tomatoes so to say to compare two films on rotten tomatoes would be fair yeah i'm using i'm using the same metrics for both they're both sides that's all you said is that it got the worst result lower i'm saying the score is lower i suppose someone could argue that if the phantom menace was released today then maybe it would have had the same response as that but you're not disputing that you literally just said factually this is the lowest rated star wars film on rotten tomatoes by audience score and it is yeah and it is that's it fights and you can find other sites such as imd beat that have the last jedi as more popular than to talk about i'm he wasn't talking about it i mean i'm sure you're right but i wasn't talking about i'm db so free now this point would be irrelevant to the logic he followed with was correct but he then goes on to say when the prequels came out people were at least lukewarm about him or they thought higher of them but this is the last jedi after two months what do you think it will be like in two years looking back what do you think it will be like five months from now well there are individual circumstances in which there's strangely positive responses you agree so you agree and all rags it was asked questions yeah i was like so you agree i'm saying look at i'm just saying imagine i'm like i mean like john linear just imagine prequels were cultivated in particular they were victims of their own hype and have dated horribly last right rags could go into that if you wanted to but he didn't he literally just said stop it you're over analyzing something that didn't even contradict what you're saying that's that's the big issue here he's trying to counter you and you haven't said anything that wouldn't necessarily follow with all of this too i'm just saying look at the scores imagine what it will be like in the future it doesn't appear to have that and therefore it's unlikely that it will follow the same route he then says that's kind of an odd defense of the last jedi saying oh yeah but guys wait 15 years ago these other movies were bad and to that i'll refer you back to what i just said i chi's involvement of the prequels is actually justified even if the context does not hold direct compare a lot of fun casual debates help challenge your viewpoint and only benefit the overall landscape but a lot of the discussions around this movie are just straight up malicious and overly simplified rags thing that straight up malicious or overly simplified and they can be i'm sure a lot of the stuff that i've watched i mean no they just didn't like the movie and they criticize the movie it's like why can't i just i don't think the only one you could possibly refer to is anyone saying i'm going to murder the people who made it it's like beyond that if you get someone like for example my video my initial one ranting against the film i wonder if he considers that malicious yeah man it's like that what is malicious to you also it's weird he's using that og but it's strange what is malicious exactly it's it's very what's malicious to some isn't to others you know can you can you be malicious to it in criticism of a movie like intent to do harm it's like that's seems a bit hyperbolic but fine let's see let's see where they go with it encounters this by saying really you think so because i knew i was gonna do this video for quite a while and i watched a lot of star wars conversations about it i even had my own stream and on that stream was mauler he ended up creating three extremely comprehensive videos talking about criticisms regarding the last jedi now rags his point only worked if i choose denying the existence of a lot of reasonable discussions yeah but rags said really huh my experience is this yeah i'm saying that i don't see the thing that you claim is around i even set up by saying that's weird isn't that what i said is that that's weird or like that's on yeah and the only response to ro can have to this is like well he's sharing his experience and i had everything he shared his moving on yeah that's it i guess yeah which he isn't he was just stating that they loaded these discussions appear unreasonable why is this playing in the background it's a part of i hate everything's videos so the person editing right now thought it would be see this is this is a very fundamental of editing right so in my videos if i reference one of them when i'm talking about them and i show a clip in one of them that has a clip from a movie that i was referencing in that video at the time it's very confusing for the viewer because they think i'm now referencing the movie which is exactly what's happening here what they should have shown was a picture of i hate everything's opinion disclaimer or is um his face you know doing something not literally a clip from the deer hunter because now we're like wait is it relevant to the deer hunter have a lot of sorry i think this is the deer hunter one and a lot of the other they're not mutually exclusive rags awesome you say a lot of the discussion about this movie is straight up malicious and overly simplified can you point those out listen the mass is not yeah that's fair i'm asking for some examples i mean i'm not saying they don't exist i mean i would say that for the most part they don't i would say that the vast majority of criticism isn't malicious in the way that he's trying to paint especially with the beginning of i hate everything's video it's such an innocent mass reasonable here this is an innocent response from rags here just being like i didn't experience this can you show some of your examples and then i was trying to like desperately rip into it last Jedi response videos i watched oh i can't even remember how many i can't i couldn't i could probably i watched so many i could probably rewatch some and not know that i've watched them the first time it's just you just soak it all up and i was never like man these are malicious people they're bad people awesome you say a lot of the discussion about this movie is straight up malicious i think this was my video um yeah no this is that reason it sucked critical thinking ramp compilation uh let's try this horrible movie uh just a lot of thoughts and blogs and i mean i just was like yeah there's a lot of an overly simplified can you point those out listen the mass is not hard to find youtube videos are not the only means what do you mean rags literally just said he's finding it hard to find and then you're like it's not hard to find it's like if it's not so fucking hard to find when you show some examples jesus christ this is not hard him of the discussion let's pull up some of the examples that i gathered in around 10 minutes so okay if these are examples these need to be examples of what was it malicious malicious is it malicious criticism like just just malicious in general let's see the malicious oh it's a comment it's not even a video it's a comment that has no a month old comment with no thumbs up oh seriously oh wow it's gonna be comments are you yeah even though we've just been over that getting death threats is so common on the internet that it's not even there's no point in even referencing it okay so oh Jesus christ i guess my mistake was i went to the actual content i went to videos of youtubers with the tens of thousands of views and all the subs and i got to all the people who were involved in the community and i went to all of these videos when i should have been going to the dredges of the comment section as people are pointing out as well even though he's gone to the comment section to get evidence saying you're an idiot and they've killed star wars i hardly call that malicious or a threat that's a pretty yeah i should have known that monk insane with three subscribers a month ago posted before this video was made he found yes i'm certain that you can find malicious comments if you go to the fucking youtube comment section i was going to the cusp of shit that matters i'm sure you could go on a video about creating an omelet and there would be if it was a million views you might find a comment that has the word interdimensional in it just because that's how crazy comments are you'll just have everything in there oh my god idiot the last jedi sucked balls they killed star wars you're a hypocrite again malicious malicious threats i don't think he's ambitious your bar is so low you snowflake critical idiot your opinions what he's laughing that's harmless you're laughing that's so harmless what the fuck oh my god screw you screw you do you know oh god screw you this is like i feel that this review is biased is malicious oh my god screw you is malicious i love i'm sorry t ro you were so smug about this section like this took me seconds to find this like this this is not evidence at all awful you should feel bad here like i heard that t ro made a tweet where he was considering taking this video down you should have this it's a bit late now it's too late yes too late now i i save myself a copy i feel that this i can't believe that's referenced as malicious that's insane also i love all these uh these russian fucking profiles bug bug boosts that's the fucking russian if i ever see ro subs no character profile image review is biased i want to smash your head against the wall there you go that's a malicious one you got me wow i hope you can cast me just like this oh so i want a different one to you guys yeah there you go idiot terrible plot thousands of plot holes ruined all the main character social justice for your bs terrible terrible movie one of my mods just said is wolf wolf's bike dead it's like no he's just uh i guess he's just fucking observing me and rags ripping into this well um actually um he's having pizza well no i'm pretty sure he finished there like an hour ago um i'm actually gonna call it a day um yeah so seen a lot of people in the chat post about it and you know mauler i've already talked to you a lot about it rags talked a little bit about it uh yeah i'm gonna be posting a video pretty soon i was planning tomorrow it might be tonight instead um you know a lot of shit that's been going on for the past three months uh a lot of accusations that are incorrect outright bullshit i guess medicare got some comment on one of his streams about it so it's kind of all over the place now so don't really feel like i can really add much to the stream at this point i got you so um yeah i think you know it's gonna be a while before i'm back on e-fap we're back on youtube in general just because i need time to you know fucking not deal with shit so probably gonna post the video later this afternoon or tonight at some point but uh yeah it's just got to i don't think i can really add much you guys are more better with the critical analysis of this clusterfuck of a video anyway so all right well yeah i me and rags can fucking i think even just one of me and rags would have been able to run this stream with how much we talk but like yeah um so don't be confused chat you shouldn't know much about this if you don't know anything about it but wolf's gonna release a video about some stuff that's been going on um and from there is probably gonna take a break for a bit uh so he'll be there's needless to say there's a reason for like why i was so um passionate about the cavanaugh case because it's really reflective of shit i've been dealing with for months and yeah it's it's kind of shitty when you see comments like it all the fucking time every single day day in day out and uh yeah i feel like i'm not really gonna be able to add much to the stream so i think you guys can you can always send us some messages if you ever need anything you know absolutely and i'm sure you'll be missed on e-fap as well so make sure you don't take too long yeah i don't know how long it'll be but um i love you too um but yeah the video will go in depth in it because it's a pretty big fucking video i've been working on it for a lot of weeks at this point so i got you yeah so the video will explain itself and uh yeah i'm just gonna call it a day was uh fun how it lasted i hope you guys survive the next hour and a half oh i'm sure we'll be fine plenty of material to destroy oh yeah yeah well um be well but take the break you need to yeah we'll be around we always are yeah well um you know i'll uh see you guys later yeah see you man and yeah uh we'll probably just like when we get to the end of this stream i'll say something again about what is sort of going on there but it is more for wolf to talk about and there are people who i don't know if they're doing it as a joke or if they're doing it because uh they think that there's there's like a strong case me there's podcasts especially the chat or my discord or even my my youtube videos not really a place where i like to have um discussion on those sorts of extremely personal topics so if you find comments being removed deleted or whatever it's it's literally just because um it's it's against rules or terms of services you put it we've got our own rules set up in um our discord i'm sure rags is the same it's um proliferation of what is essentially pretty harmful content it's the ideas of uh as he said it's come up recently in the political arena so you'll get all the context you need uh i don't know if wolf said it was tonight or tomorrow but he'll be releasing a video for it in the meantime me and uh me and rags are gonna continue with tiaro's absolute slam dunk that there of course exists negative uh malicious videos out there by referencing what was that like not even videos fight well i was gonna say by referencing five comments that weren't even malicious and two the kind of we're like like you know i'll go as far as saying no they absolutely were but um again you could he was really funny about this rags you could have told me these comments were on any video and i believe you oh yeah that's just you oh yeah well there's now i went to the youtube comment section and found some mean comments it's like yeah no shit anyway do you find do you find anything that matters that's the thing if he showed a video of some guy like in a vlog saying i'm gonna fucking kill riot johnson it'd be like oh wow like that that does seem like a little bit more credible than just you know a selection of words in a comment on a random video that everyone gets on everything very strange this is the plot holes rules all the main characters social justice warrior bullshit i mean the the in the voices that go for boys to make them look even less reasonable ranks it's a very clever idea i see terrible terrible movie you can try to sound intelligent if you're uh big words but you're fucking dumb if you think the last jetty was good with this plot holes blatant what about that was malicious is it is it malicious to call someone dumb um f king dumb if you call someone dumb it's okay but fucking dumb that's too far oof the pushing and it's mary sue honestly honestly honestly you can just fuck off wow you're either being paid by kathleen kennedy or your virtue signaling this was a horrible movie only came here was to see more trashing of the last jedi so this section proves that there are people who did not like the last jedi i suppose yeah thanks for this you got me i i there are people out there who didn't like it yeah that's that's what i was saying yep this is ruined but you come off more of an antifa member with talking antifa member i don't know why they need to go there but sure what's that makes no sense this plot was garbage unless your IQ is 17 and you're just a moron help you drop a shit tone of subs you're an idiot if you can't criticize a lot of shit i like that and say it's a good film why are people enjoying things that i don't love oh so is that the point of this section i i guess it was to count to your point and prove that there are malicious people making videos but whatever yeah i was i was kind of going for the shit that matters but i guess he found so he found some mean comments on the on the youtube comment section so yeah all right come on come on it's on like every video wow come to home will be is sjw propaganda there are plenty of asian cast in hollywood yeah i agree i'm i'm sure that comment saying yeah i don't know the whole movie is sjw there are plenty of asians casted in hollywood you are out of line i don't okay all right i'm not i'm just not gonna read that you're offended by the political message being noticed by people who are smart enough not to be indoctrinated by hypocrite woods agenda because you're already a sheeple shill but you just don't know it when you say take away all the story pacing character tone physics lore etc problems then you have nothing left not a movie just the most expensive toy commercial ever made and it didn't sell any toys at xmas time all that was on the toy shelves were star wars toys epic fail as this video is pal as is this video that's not that that bad yeah like i get it it's a little bit like you don't need the political bit but even even with it it's like all that bad it's weird though because when i was saying i wouldn't find in the stuff i noticed i showed like videos that people made but he went like oh i'm not gonna i'm not gonna do the thing that he's looking for i'm gonna go somewhere completely different i'm gonna look for it for a completely different kind of thing than what was clearly displayed to me did he miss the point where you already admitted that you know this happens for everything remember the yeah i got the very very very beginning of the video i was like yeah this happens the other thing everything it is kind of i'm just not i'm not reading this one either you can just see the irony uh-huh that reveal wait wait how was that ironic i guess if you call someone a racist then it's clear that you're the racist i i guess i what i will give them the biggest benefit of the doubt possible overly simple and assume that they they're going to be criticizing him for saying it's good that they casted an asian person if he said that i don't even know and to to deny that would be racist i assume that's that's what i'll go for whatever it doesn't really matter because it wasn't even tiara that said it it was some other guy uh i'm not sure best thing to come out of this treasure trove of intelligence is idiot review wow so malicious what is this section turned into like a comedy bit i i guess i mean it was funny but supposed to be malicious terrible horrible things but were like intended to laugh at them because they shouldn't be taken seriously why did you bother me and rags could find you a list of the reverse people saying this film is incredible you should just fucking die yeah they exist too sounds like it sounds like a boohoo sort of thing to me hmm i was like because i because when i said i didn't find i didn't see any of that maliciousness what i did was i showed a big list of youtube videos that were made a lot of those by big names and he was like oh well instead since he showed youtube videos instead i'll go somewhere completely different i'll go to the youtube comment section i'll find comments like okay i was i was hoping that video i say that's a bit more than a dozen and on top of that no it's not tiaro you didn't prove your point at all yeah it's if anything whole section was fucked yeah you kind of downplayed anything malicious really i have to i'd need him to be here right and say to him tiaro whatever your name is do you think that rags thinks there's not a single comment online that's malicious toward people about the last jedi do you think that's what rags was saying and of course the answer is well obviously not because rags isn't retarded like you would never say that there's not someone out there who threatened to kill somebody because of how bad the last jedi is because it happens to everything and everyone it's just this is like think for a fucking second like that you didn't counter rags you counted a point no one made good job in terms of people's takes and their opinions on the last jedi and to paint them as overly malicious and simplistic is disingenuous from you when he never did that anyway then we go back to the destiny point but a lot of the discussions around this movie are just straight up malicious and overly simplified you know i think that a lot of the discussion surrounding destiny 2 was straight up which we've already dug into enough i yes you lost that was that was a solid point that i made yeah i don't think we dug into it in a way that you think that it's been dug into for sure disagree with ihe that there is no middle ground because i'm kind of on it but his statement is a hyperbole and as i said the film is full of very strong sentiments which will push more people to one side or the other and often certain extremes can frame it as there being no middle ground and this next point is something that arises from did i did it did i ever say anything about that i was that that was what ihe said well the way he just framed that was that he doesn't even agree that there's no middle ground if i'm assuming that you may have said that there's absolutely middle ground and that no i think he was saying that ihe made the comment that it seems like there's no middle ground but i mean there's always middle ground so i don't know let me use the loop real quick even with marmite um you've dug into this yeah i don't think so uh let me rewind see if we can get some extra in simplistic is disingenuous from you when he never did that anyway then we go back to the destiny point but a lot of the discussions around this movie are just sorry is that the way that's edited and anyway then we go back to the destiny point but a lot of the he cuts himself off he says like point and then i think he was going to say point honestly what rags said in this bit intelligence is idiot review wow i speechless really i i'm doing i say that's a bit more than a dozen and on top of that rags claims but i watched a lot of content in terms of people's takes and their opinions on the last jedi and to paint them as overly malicious and simplistic is disingenuous from you when he never did that anyway yeah i guess it could be extrapolated that uh you've you've assumed that i had everything is referring to everyone that way but that's tied into the whole broad strokes thing because i had everything's not just talking about people who threaten murder he's also talking about people who are just critical of the film you know the way that he lumps everything together and the amounts of time he spends talking about it and playing with it yeah and he's kind of fucked because of that one screenshot of the perfectly reasonable accounts basically criticizing the film in the same way that i would and therefore if those people are malicious and simplistic then i suppose i'm in that same collective i have to be because i would be saying the same things as them like i don't think that's too much of a jump from rags i think that's perfectly reasonable yeah i mean all right if that's how you felt but you know i i got what i got wait then we go back to the destiny point but a lot of the discussions around this movie are just straight up malicious and overly simplified you know i think that a lot of the discussion surrounding destiny 2 was straight up which we've already dug into enough yeah my point was pretty damn good yeah yeah i got no problem i still understand his his counter to that agree with itch that there is no middle ground because i'm kind of on it but his statement is a hyperbole and as i said the film is full of very strong sentiments which will push more people to one side or the other and often certain extremes can frame it as there being no middle ground and this next point so he he justifies the fact that i had everything said there's no middle ground by saying with stuff like this it's it's easy to see there's no middle ground it's like so you're saying that there is a middle ground and he misses that a lot of videos around well that's kind of what i'm getting at is like there is no middle ground but also i guess the there is but i can see how someone would say there isn't it's just like okay it's inaccurate but it's fair to say sure yeah it's something that arises as the comments are saying here ihe is clearly inflating the malicious aspect of it in order to try and defend absolutely yeah i mean that's part of why a lot of people made the videos the way they did right to try and be less hyperbolic to try and have the opposite side listen you know because it's pretty clear that if you shout at somebody it's rare that they'll actually take in what you're saying that's like you could say there's there's almost a counter culture for that because i'm not the only one who made like long assessments of the film there's there's a lot of people out there so it's over the comment section it's over rags t.r.o has the middle ground the middle ground why are you giving to people who say that any kind of attention well because they exist that's part of the point of oh fuck off you give them attention if they exist oh if people exist they okay if people exist you give them attention there's no that's gonna buy them in the ass one day whenever whenever t.r.o says why are you covering x just just have that prepared in your own head because they exist because they exist that's good enough reason to cover it some somebody out there who has the most ridiculous silly ridiculous trolley opinion that exists on the last Jedi like should you ignore them because there's nothing of merit no cover them because they exist you know that person i referenced earlier on the on the omelette video who mentions interdimensional realities i cover them they exist yeah why not yeah of this video that those people seem over represented in the kind of style they only they seem over ever yeah sure yeah they're absolutely circular if they seem over represented then how you don't overly represent them is you don't represent them someone said t.r.o is on point here he hasn't made sense for a while now yeah this is pretty bad this is one of those circular sorts of things they're part of this you keep looking like a river because they exist they said you keep pausing before he finishes a fucking sentence mate he talks too fast you've got to slow him down and he's made points as he goes says that he covers them because they exist then he moves on to say that it seems to be more negative towards the like i'm guessing the last Jedi obviously that's the topic and both of those points are wrong like it will not not reason enough the fucking idea to cover a comment literally because it exists you don't you think that's that's like the that's literally the lowest standard you could possibly have let's be fair rags let's play the comment again just to make sure certain extremes can frame it as there being no middle ground and this next point is something that arises from that why are you giving the people who say that any kind of attention well because they exist that's part of the point of that's a that's a point that's a con that's a congealed sentence yes because they exist and now he's moving on so is there anyone in chat who thinks that that's completely reasonable as a reason to cover somebody because they exist like i'm not saying again maybe it's unclear it's like of course you can but it's not a reason to do something they exist so say why do you eat that mold well it exists it's bizarre to be like it because as as rags just said it's like why not go for people with me this is a common problem for i hit everything by the way like his comment come back videos he always picks the insane people and it's sad because the man can actually have discussion it's possible so why not take the strong arguments why not go with strong arguments instead of the insane ones yeah i mean some of these don't a lot of these comments that he highly that he highlighted they're not even like they're not even malicious first off but they're just insane and deranged like why even engage it yeah you know it's just it's insane like a remember making a point i'm just using this an example i'm not like trying to be vain here but um my video where i'm talking about the bombs drop in i said that i looked all over online i found four arguments in total in favor of the bombs dropping and i i think i disproved three of them and then one of them i said this is actually fair reasoning and this could work i was like do you see like the conversation that completes there it's like oh this is actually an interesting piece of reasoning for why this this thing would work this way instead i could have just grabbed a bunch of comments that were like you don't think bombs drop in space you should die bombs are made out of anti-gravity generating blueberry jam it's like well and then it was like more why why are you covering the people who are saying you should die if you think bombs can't be dropped in space and then i go well because they exist they exist i mean really you have to cover every comment with that reasoning yeah that point shouldn't this video be filled with millions of comments i don't know they exist this video that those people seem over represented in the current star wars discuss i love that slippery language they seem over over represented like yeah i don't i don't see it i don't see that's exactly what rags already said and he's shown that rags like it didn't seem that way to me here's my uh perception and he shows all the videos and the response is look at these comments i've picked out of millions potentially billions yeah i mean like one of them had like two upvotes after a month man whoosh and if your problem is that they seem over represented then why did you spend so much time in your video putting them front and center yeah and laughing at them and stuff which which is rightful you should be laughing a handful of them because they're silly like the one that you know whatever like as rags just said it's like you talk about how it's like this overwhelming or at least it's a majority of some form but um you also show show comments that have no support do you see do you see how that's interesting it's like if you for example if you pulled a comment that said i ate everything should die and it has like a thousand upvotes that would be a little bit worrying so there you go there's a there's a spiel and it's nauseating and unreasonable a little content is built on responding to people who are being unreasonable and ridiculous i'm sure rags has responded to people being unreasonable and ridiculous as well he's not promising it oh yes me and rags have responded to people being unreasonable and ridiculous yes and we had a gale time to say whether the last shy is good or bad he's just trying to quell the outrage not really too because week you can take a bad example because these videos that we talk about especially on e-fap they try to make points a lot of the times they might not be very well stated they might be contradictory but they have methods of reasoning and there is some sort of thing being said in these things is usually they're coming to a very specific point usually like for example the the Thanos when we covered his specific point was the MCU of endorsed abuse as love that was the the entire video was sort of in favor of that point uh macintosh's overall point was the the last Jedi is about men learning to accept women as people who can help you grow or something like that like these essays usually come to a point and everything is in favor of it so we we go through each part and we judge how accurate to reality it is yeah like the people I make videos to they don't speak gibberish in the truest sense of the word like they make points they're trying to get across an idea a lot of the times they're articles that are filled with thoughts that attempt to push a narrative or to try and convince us of something it's not just a random call it's not a five word comment on the internet that says you are you're crazy or you're stupid or you're horrible because like what's the discuss about I don't want to say this is ridiculous but questioning if it's really something worth getting to the powerful levels of anger that many have expressed and once again how would you be able to determine that anyway exactly that's another thing that's a problem with I had everything's video telling people they should or should not feel well maybe I should clarify that before someone takes me out of context to say that someone shouldn't be x amount of angry about a film that's not a thing yeah that's strange I don't know how you would be able to quantify that or apply that or by what it was like what IT said earlier on this video because they saying it's a Star Wars movie like yeah it is a Star Wars movie but that in and of itself doesn't mean that people can't be upset about it to a degree and I wonder if you know you remember that video where Patrick Williams was like I can't stop thinking about this film it's amazing would you be like dude can you chill down like on that again a bit of like you can't love it that much it's just a film you know like it love being the antonym to hate at this point in my in my assessment I'm saying if you're not allowed to hate it that much surely you're not allowed to love it that much too yeah it's gotta work both ways it's gotta work both ways and again with the amount of steam coming from their head this is one of those things that people say that we do like we're trying to gatekeep how much you're supposed to feel about something yeah but this isn't really a point that we make so much as it's a point that other people make in defense of it but people attribute it to us for some reason it's telling IG what he should be talking about it's his fucking you're doing that right now yeah video all we know is that this is a video about the last Jedi then this inductive reason but you already established the rags would have seen it so he knows exactly what the video is all about which one is it also this music's annoying his name returns when i chi says i've seen the last Jedi three times at the cinema now i never see anything that many times see you can absolutely say this you can say i never see a film more than whatever so that but to the audience we're sitting there like what the fuck does that mean this is like okay because i kind of hate going to the cinema and suddenly rags puts words into his mouth holy shit he doesn't see anything that amount of times but but but the but but the last Jedi was just so good he did he did see it that's the implication of course i'm not even and he says that i'm putting words in his mouth and i haven't yet i'm saying what he said well you you said because did you say because of how good it is so he could argue that you're saying that he's saying he saw it because it's good but i'm pretty sure he argues that the film is good oh yeah he argues it but yeah i'm not putting words in his mouth i'm just restating what he said and not even from his perspective at many times i mean but it's clearly hyperbolic anyway and he's used that defense in this video like rags his avatar is like his jaws drops and he's like whoa you watched it yeah how come you're not utilizing my fucking avatar right now yeah i mean he's not completely dramatizing the side sense completely dramatizing it exactly exactly that's what rags is doing yeah because i g isn't making a point like do you not understand it like i said the audience wonders why is he just brought up that he saw it three times that's doesn't that's not indicative of really anything it's like i enjoyed it that much it's like okay you already know you enjoyed it in chat i he says i went to see it three times rag says i he went to see it three times tiaro says stop putting words in his mouth since from alex when as revealed he only watched it three times doing a clear grasp on how he felt i actually then says collectively i've seen the film four different people oh god i hate this bit levels of star wars fan and all of them enjoyed it two of these four people never go on twitter or reddit so i found their reaction to be genuinely interesting and rags says poor though those four friends so much for the other two he doesn't find you guys genuinely interesting yeah fuck you too it's kind of weird i could have swore at the beginning of this video you were criticizing people for wanting to confirm their biases which is a peculiar point because i actually clearly didn't select his friends to go and watch the movie based on their opinions on the movie that he would have put that in his video if they all didn't like the film yeah yeah i was gonna say i'm pretty sure that was the point you were making not the i had everything selected his friends to see the film with if if these four friends had walked into the movie and they thought the movie was bad there is no way he would have put that in this in this film he made in this video he made as they had never seen the movie when they went with him i can tell you all the times i hit the bullseye that's the point i'm trying to say i don't have to tell you how many times i missed the bullseye that it made earlier of internet echo chambers is that people select to surround them based on pre you select people that you want to watch based off of how they feel about also that's a different conversation rags is saying i had everything is bringing these people into his video and they also just so happened to like the film do you understand it's the same as um h pome guy goes on several rants about uh dark souls and he brings in this anecdote about a friend of his who played dark souls one just didn't like it but then he plays dark souls two and he really liked it it's like okay what about have you got any friends who felt the reverse it's like well if he did they're not gonna come up yeah and it's strange because however many of your friends like the movie or not doesn't mean anything exactly that's kind of what you get the whole thing is like this this doesn't matter like you could have brought a busload of 100 people in and they all could have loved the film and made a cult around it but doesn't mean anything no what his friends would come out thinking to this point just doesn't hold up i g then speaks about his son fucking what he found that piece of art that's he there no wow um but did the research on your avatar apparently that's a i think of all i've only posted that avatar once on twitter i think on like a long time ago that's interesting but um yeah the point is if they yeah he you can so he can show everyone how many times you hit the full side his value immediate experiences with the film the first viewing i was genuinely on i'm sorry okay see if tiara was here i have to i beg him do you not understand how hilarious it is that he says on my third viewing i wasn't bored it's so funny sign me up it's just like what are you what kind of what if you weren't bored okay feelings but had an overall positive outlook and vibe the second viewing i had a yeah it's like there's so little to go by here well yeah this is surface level uh initial vague feelings and you could be like that's what we sharing you'd be like but why yeah this is like once you once you walk out of the the theater here write your thoughts on this fortune cookie quick you're like uh it's like a six on the emotional scale of happy and you're like okay good thank you and watch it again it's like a five now the third time you go you know i don't use a number i was not bored it's like okay feelings but i had an overall positive outlook and vibe the second viewing i had a much better time the third time i just had a good experience and was never bored this this course this vex's rags how does this not vex you exactly it's such a it's nothing that's nothing like what are we supposed to do with that rags who clearly desires a more substantive argument and maybe he spent too much time around people who like more do seem to see in reviews that is no discreet way you don't need to do okay if you're you've been brought up you have been brought up he's he's saying like okay more he doesn't seem to seem reviews uh i had everything he's sharing initial reaction it's like but i had everything knows how to be substantive he's done it before yeah and i'm not this is the typical quite frankly stupid shit that i hate seeing is that oh you you wanted more than this extremely short vague thing you must have wanted a scene for scene yeah review of the film as if there's no middle ground which is yeah there's no middle ground if i if i thought that the idea that you went in and on your third viewing you said you weren't bored and i think that wasn't all that much and so your takeaway from that is that i needed a scene for scene review of the film i swear i was like dude seriously if you watched a new film and i was like what do you think and all you told me was you went bored i'd be like fucking go on that means the film is probably bad if the the only thing i come out thinking saying i was not bored sounds like criticism it's like well yeah it's like well i mean what can i say i i wasn't bored make it to more during this video is a very valued take and five hours of detail is highly commendable but no one is entitled to that level of things i'm titled to that he thinks that i'm entitled to mauler level reviews and this fuck off i don't know how he extrapolated that from you that you were like i demand a mauler level analysis from i hate everything it's like she because if it's it's either a three word review or it's mauler level there is nothing in between to give you an example because i'm subscribed to it i hate everything still and he released a video very recently like a couple days ago yeah uh the quest for the best where he reviews five films in 27 minutes so let's break that up uh what's what's 27 divided by five it's about five let's say about five minutes of film with some intro and outro so he says more in those five minutes per film than he does in this entire 17 minute i think it was video for the last jedi rags his criticism is not that he did not uh speak about what he wanted it was that he's wasting fucking time in this whole video yeah what if you are trying to defend a film and you say on my third viewing i wasn't bored that isn't that's not good he actually uses some arguments i'm not gonna say soon let's say eventually later i don't he said he said he actually references real things that happen and says why they're good the that's what we call substance versus saying i wasn't bored okay hopefully we're clear on that now it's like a child went in to see star wars and wrote this down and then the third time i wasn't bored you'd be like carlton you need to be more specific okay he's like but i wasn't bored but i don't want to make a five hour review i didn't i didn't say it it is just a selfless blessing and on top of that some people don't want that sort of content we okay stop with this tangent that's not what rags are saying don't want a world in more than some just want to let me reference me again as if rags was asking for five hours i hear a quick rundown and whether you want to hear it or not other people i love how you've already referenced you watched what was it like 30 videos and some of them are gonna be like five minutes yeah some of them are pretty short shorter than i hear everything just want to hear someone casually expressing their opinions people are criticizing what isn't there how is i'm sorry ah i wasn't bored is that like a is that a really interesting opinion to to get across to people like genuinely it's subjective sure but what is your take tiaro on someone saying i wasn't bored if you make a video and your defense of the film because you're kind of starting to get into actually defending the film sort of and you start off by saying kind of what you felt and stuff like that and so you say i watched it three times first off that would give a lot of people reasonably the impression that you have some you know you really know the film inside and out you saw it three times that's a lot that's more than i've seen the film but i would also expect more than at the end of the third viewing of this whole film i wasn't bored yeah and that's what it comes back to me reasonably think that that's a little lacking he's pushing this to like places where they talk about fucking putting words you're putting words and i ate everything's mouth like what are you doing jesus rather than what it's from an idealistic standpoint is all about ones as she oh and yeah so to clarify the sentence was i genuinely had a good time and i was never bored it's so it's not just saying he wasn't bored but uh yeah it was another there was another meaningless thing attached to it yes well yeah had a good time it's like sure again this is so what i would call placid it's just like but even then that doesn't have anything to do with the film's quality i mean like that's why you can watch the room and have a good time again that would just be questioning what what it's supposed to be aiding overall isn't it quality what what do you yeah what exactly what part of quality are you looking for doomed expectation and this is something that we'll talk about later with the last shed I went into this video expecting i ate everything to talk about the film at hand with some good production value and intriguing opinions i got what i expected sure he plays me i didn't i was just as much a fan of him as you were tiaro when it's on the response but the response was still relative to the last Jedi and the midsection was still filled with his thoughts on it so i can't really complain on that behalf as a general premise you draw these expectations from previous videos from the youtuber and videos as a concept youtube is i don't need to know what kind of videos he makes to point out that what he says in a video is lacking not only that what is tiaro saying here it's like rags you have a standard and just because he didn't reach that standard that does not mean that you should criticize yeah i mean like my standard is not exactly high yeah i was gonna say now just i just wanted something talk about something substantive that's it that's all rags once yeah someone said are you are we being told how to properly watch youtube now different people i h you may speak more about the nitpicks but that doesn't make his points invalid especially as he acknowledges them as nitpicks i don't think rags said his yeah thing was invalid he might do later on but he certainly hasn't said it so far yeah he never declares there to be no reasonable criticism of the film his implication is that there is a disproportionately high amount of people overreacting to the yes and he lumps in the people who are being very reasonable and calm in with the people who are threatening death like that's the that's the whole point that rags is making and this whole thing is a fucking non sequitur exactly what has this got to do with what we were just covering yeah this is just like words pictures things like this is a star wars film there may be reasons that explain that mentality but it doesn't necessarily mean that there are reasons that make that mentality right an ouchy is not inherently wrong to criticize it i don't think he's since when did rags i'm not saying you're wrong to criticize it saying that it's wrong to criticize isn't the same as your criticism specifically can be wrong also stop referencing this screenshot the screenshot does not help you yeah stop using it uh and correct in bud my standards aren't high for this purpose right here obviously i'm gonna like give me my standards for everything aren't low but sometimes so like a youtube video my standards will be lower than you know who i'm gonna marry or something like that obviously everybody has different standards for everything obviously gum read muskovic is your platform to be angry that he's chosen to address that's it moves towards his puritan narrative where people say what we really tarot really we're going okay i'm just gonna ignore that one he should be doing rather than how well we're doing it and if he had implied that we were somehow going to get something that we subsequently didn't then there may be cause for complaint but he never this is an insane overanalyzation of things that were never said yeah like i feel like we're being forced to repeat ourselves because it's the same shit uh yeah like rags did not say i hate everything was supposed to do x and he did why rags is criticizing what i had everything put forward yeah i never said anything really about what i i i'm not really specific a lot of times about what i want because it's almost like what what you want oftentimes is kind of like um a good analogy would be like you're at a buffet you don't know exactly how much you're going to eat so you don't know exactly how much to put on the plate but once you've had enough you know you're there yeah they gave you any promises this is just his opinion you're not entitled to it too much out this is just rags opinion yeah i don't think that his his three micro reviews if you could call him that i thought they were hilarious because of how bad they were and how much they didn't help his point that's where i'm at with those i feel like if tiaro if none of this had happened and tiaro was just watching that video with me and i like pointed that out i feel like he'd just agree he'd be like yeah that i don't know why he just said that that was weird but like because this has been built up as a sort of war between these content creators it's like he's having to defend even the stupidest stuff like if you guys ever catch me saying and you know what i went to see venom for a third time and i wasn't bored in my review of venom i just feel like you can ask me why i threw that in there and i could be like oh shit yeah i probably should have gotten that out in a redraft because it just doesn't add anything to anything but again it's just his opinion rags so you can't criticize him but then this is just your opinion so tiaro can't criticize you but then that's just his opinion so we can't criticize his video i guess it just goes on forever i guess we have to close the stream especially when his feelings are based on initial viewings you complain that his responses on his viewings are too casual but many people don't yep but this isn't this is i hate everything we're talking about video when he like edited it and he uploaded it and it was a time after is like he's not actually walking out of the theater here he's made it he made a youtube video come out of first viewings immediately with notes taken he's expressing what he felt at the time because that's a part of his stuff okay i don't care if other people enjoy it it was really not that good for his video it didn't help again that's not really what rags was saying rags didn't say nobody enjoyed i hate everything's video why would he but not every film was better on the second viewing and it's not a wildly accepted view as i actually says the second viewing i had a much better time it's widely accepted that the film is a lot better the second time is it oh it's such a stupid myth and i swear it got propagated just to give the fucking film more sales like what was what is it that you know like this film's like the prestige even x mark in a there's a couple of others where um watching it a second time allows you to understand more about the narrative or what's what's occurring let's say even that's a very well saying uh what about the last jedi makes more sense or congeals better after a second viewing and i'm not saying that it's impossible to enjoy it more in a second viewing that's not what i'm saying i'm saying what what can you reference in the film that functions better after you see it for the second time rather than the first yeah like if you're trying to convince somebody that it is better on a second viewing what would you use to convince somebody of that oh is is that a widely accepted thing i i had no idea honestly but then somehow goes on to imply that i actually was somehow being dishonest as people who go and watch it a second time must be only people who really like it i mean i would imagine that if people really that's that's the perfectly reasonable conclusion the people who are seeing it for a second time probably liked it already yeah that is a very reasonable thing why would i go and pay to see it again if i hated it yeah of course it's like that's fucking common sense if you hate the film why would you pay again especially with how expensive movies are to see it again to go through an experience that you hated plus fuck this loudass music really didn't like it at all they wouldn't go and pay to see it a second time the only people who would see it multiple times are probably people who really liked it but okay i guess which is weird considering ouchy has said he just wanted a more concise view on his feelings of the film but he said that he liked it after his first viewing he said it's commonly accepted that the film is better on a second viewing which is bullshit because it comes from people who probably liked it already do you understand brexit's point and remember ouchy said he liked it after his first viewing ouchy said that i'm going by what he said did you not listen to the words coming out of my car and there is no reason to contradict that statement whatsoever other than an attempt to present him as he literally did say that i'm going by what he said tero this video is awful why aren't you listening to me more biased than he actually is so we can rain down heavier criticism on ouchy rags then disputes there's completely fair criticism from my perspective but there we are ouchy's point that the last joy isn't a remake of the empire by referencing an article that notes its similar plot points in both the last jedi in the empire strikes back we follow our heroes on a single ship on the run through space from the empire first order's most powerful capital ships meanwhile luke and rey are off on remote planets learning the ways of the force from jedi masters who are pretty cagey about taking on new pupils at first both luke points aren't what comprise a film i'm sorry is he playing your video alongside speaking was that what was just happening so we have the loud ass music we have me talking and then he was talking over me oh like let's just get that from an editing standpoint is like oof let's just get that i had do i opposed i was like rags you talking over the video also um i think in ihe's video he said that there wasn't he said that there were similarities made between the last jedi plot and the plot of the empire strikes back he said that wasn't true and so i just googled it yeah because there is yeah there's a lot of visual references as well um the like i think i said it on the stream we did all the way back when about star wars where i was annoyed that when they go through like the crystal cave bit and it's all like oh it's so close oh well they make it it's a complete redo of the final run in uh return of the jedi and they play the same music as well and i was like so it's it's blatant then they're doing the same thing and that's that's one of the vaguer references the ones you're referencing are pretty much just one for one yeah i just went to the nerdest is like you can explain this thing and it's the same scenes pupils at first both luke points aren't what comprise a film alone can't believe he's got music his voice and your voice at the same time what the fuck it's yeah i don't know man get better people edit your stuff would agree that there were some similar natures that ran slightly too close i certainly wouldn't say that it can be induced that the film was just a quote remake of the other on top wait did you say it was a remake of empire would you say it has i can't remember but you know based off in plus he cut me off like i keep going like over the similarities like well there's the he didn't let he didn't let my thing finish because i keep going on and on from this article about all the ways that they're similar he didn't let that play out hmm probably because it would make me look right we don't we don't need that getting in the way ranks france was in fact praising the movie as staying true to the original themes i'm responding to criticism that it's too deep hang on a minute he's staying true to a theme a literally ripping scenes and plot is the two different things we could argue that the theme is the same in episodes four five and six but they're not the same films yeah i mean look if you're trying to convince somebody that these like if there there are two opposite opposing sides of the argument that these two films are similar and their structure yes or no and i come out saying all right here's a scene by scene comparison that i found that i'm just going to give you the list from nerdist.com da da da da happens and this happens and this happens in this and it has side by side pictures of the scenes and explanations and you're like oh yeah well that's not everything dude look at the chat i realize how much themes is a trigger word for our audience themes themes well what different rags even at knowledge is that these i need to pee i'll be right back talk about everyone in chat discuss themes beautiful wonderful themes that's that's like three times rags gone to toilet i haven't done it once yet it looks like the bladder power is over in britain compared to america that is confirmation should we talk about the theme of bladders guys i feel like if you made a movie it was really bad but you had the theme of bladdery ludicrous it's like a spell no i feel like that would save the movie personally ripping off equals themes my themes narrative triplets i love predator's themes of weaponizing autism yes see they are different themes but they didn't even steal the same scenes which is cringy more just right fans or disney marysu defenders i don't know you can get all kinds of cringe on both elements including this probably cringy people in our own fan bases you never know i'm here here we go it's similar i mean this truck so we can't hold this pay well i'm actually doing um in less than a month i'm going to the grand canyon to do a rim to room hike and so the i'm drinking a shit ton of water because it helps you prepare for the elevation because i live in arkansas and we are not very high up and the grand canyon is very high up well that explains the plot hole yeah everyone was like you must have a shit ton of water the bladder of an like a size of an acorn and that just doesn't like like i'm telling you i i drink water like a fish but um there you go it's good for you drink water my pee is like it comes in clear it goes out clear man that's how it is beautiful isn't this i i i've had that when you drink shit tons of water it's just like wait like i don't even know if i need to flush or not that's the thing man yeah probably safe to just just give it the old flush you know just just you fact praise in the movie are staying true to the original themes i'm responding to criticism that it's too different rags even at knowledge is that the stretch is so it stays true to the original themes and it has a i think we're gonna have to go back because i'm lost already can ray are off on remote planets learning the ways of the force from jedi masters who are pretty cagey about taking on new pupils at first both luke and ray are what comprise a film alone and although i would agree that there was some similar now plot points don't comprise a film alone what rags is describing is the plot this is the plot titanic bit of a film is the plot and the chase that takes care of basically everything up to crate and crate is a rip off of hoth and then luke stories a rip off of yoda's that is the entire film except for kanto bite oh also them on the supremacy or whatever it's pretty it's pretty tough to listen to all that and be like yeah they weren't so they were also yeah that's really cheap i'm gonna say it that's really cheap rags goes on to basically throw out the entire story being a rip from the the article and tiaro's cut him off to say just take your point doesn't comprise a film yeah for the first time he does like a fade out effect like he i could go i go on and on but he doesn't let me the theme of plot which is around slightly too close i certainly wouldn't say that it can be he says a quote remake did you say remake because obviously the last Jedi isn't a complete remake because it's not a complete remake but shit man that plot is really really skipping over the same beats and doing the same thing of they're clearly dancing to the same tune here on top of this the article he referenced was in fact praising the movie as staying true to the original i don't care it doesn't matter if it was that doesn't matter if it was praising or castigating it that would be like talking about me saying kanto bites terrible listen to this account of it and you see the account and then it turns out that was a part of a video where they said the film is great apart from kanto bite yeah it's like this doesn't matter whether you think it's good or not very odd point to make themes i'm responding to criticism that it's too different rags even at knowledge is that the structure is similar i mean the structure is really really really similar but a film doesn't require just structure to qualify as a remake i'm still kind of did you say it was a remake i can't i don't know it was months and months this this entirely relies on the fact that you just said that it's similar instead of saying it's exactly the same means to me you probably didn't say it was a remake i mean it's really really really besides i don't know it feels a little bit like pedantic to be like it's not a complete remake unless it's literally everything is the same it's like of course no film is going to be the you know like a psycho got remade in 2001 i think from nineteen like sixty something and it's a shot-for-shot remake but it still has stuff that's different in it you know like there's there's a scene where something slightly different happens i'd be like see not a remake because it's not entirely the same i would be interested like at this point like what really is the big differences between the two other than like just general competence and like i don't know in microcosm this just seems to be you pointing out that i hate everything is wrong to say that it's not ripping from the original but if i ate everything's point was originally it's not a complete remake it would be like well yeah but even then i could be like yeah but it's close oh it's close like wait a wait a shove-off criticism like you know force awakens it's not a complete remake of episode four but everyone accepts that it's a complete fucking remake of episode four you know what i mean yeah then there's just some pointless back and forth i actually says but at the very least you have to admit this is something new for the franchise no one saw this story coming the film gave us something different and rags takes advantage of the low hanging fruit to express his disappointments with the film i mean people expected things to be done characters to be expanded upon relationships to be made arcs to be developed rivalries to be fostered some cool interesting information that maybe was a callback to something that we might have previously been hinted about but no there was none of that and even if you hate the law that was low hanging fruit that was low hanging fruit that's an that's an awfully that's not a very nice thing to say about i hate everything yeah i was actually that was gonna be my first point outside of the fact that i don't think it was low hanging fruit to actually refer to i hate everything's point is something that's so easy to counter i don't know why mention how high this fruit is or not he said it this should i have ignored it also i don't know why he sped up your voice i guess because they did comment on how they find your voice annoying to listen to at the beginning maybe that's what that is i guess i don't know i don't know why that makes it any less annoying but it's weird that he would bring up this point after saying will i mention those comments because they exist so why does it matter how high the fruit is after all it exists it's a high claim there's some more complaints from rags about how he hasn't spoken about the film yet for perspective we would be four minutes into ii cheese video that's not a particularly long introduction segment for an approximately 20 minute video it's just long when you interject in every fucking sentence kind of like how you're doing right now yeah what is this supposed to yeah i don't even agree with him that you shouldn't interject but that's what he's doing i will interject whenever i have something to say and first off why are you criticizing me for the film or for the video that you wanted also implying that every not every sentence is important that he scripts and he's like this is some of the shitty sentences you don't need to respond to them but yeah this is silly coming from to ro he's very usually meticulous especially with this video so don't yeah this was very bad this rags is then annoyed that i chi explained his cinema experience rather than a formal review all right you said you were gonna talk no stop reframing what rags is doing it's really getting tired so it's like rags you're just upset that he's not doing exactly what you want to do it's like no i hate everything opened with saying the response to the last jedi has been what do you say malicious and sim overly simplistic and then references a bunch of people with legitimate points in that little screenshot then ties everyone together in it and then says he wasn't bored while watching it it's it's an awful video about your thoughts about the movie but you said so little what do you expect for us to take away in spite of the fact that we're around four and a half minutes in and he will later embellish these narratives so my question stands yeah the question the question stands like what are we supposed to take away by from what you just said and he's he's qualified it as an intro that four minutes what are we supposed to take nothing from an intro yeah why make him oh it'd be it's just if he talked if he said something i mean normally when you say something you want people to take something away from it so i'm like what did you want us to take away from what you said clearly just your opinion there right i guess once again that's i actually style i achieve that it's his style to say nothing in his introductions okay it's i i'd like to think i give i h e a little more credit than troda yeah and says i'd like to think people who genuinely hate star wars wouldn't waste their time going to see it ranks what the fuck why is it it's you it's immediately like stop framing it like the people who hated it just hated it because they hate star wars that's not and you could be like that's not what i had everything said you'd be like uh fine points out this is a bad statement and seems to imply that this might contradict it but you clearly think that they did based on what you said at the beginning of this video but it does not let's put the two sentences together it comes across as if some people go into the movie expecting to hate it although i would like to think the people who generally hate star wars wouldn't they're not contradictions as they're both built on conditions i achieve then expresses that he is a fan of movies first and a fan of star wars secondly rags acknowledges this and expresses his own feelings on it well that makes a little bit of sense i felt like ryan johnson was giving star wars the middle finger seemingly positioning himself as a star first how is that putting myself as a star wars fan first yeah no what rags is saying is that if you're a fan of films before star wars the last Jedi will be easier to consume yeah i have no idea how that is in any way a contradiction yeah well he say that means that rags is a fan of star wars before uh films it's like no it's not rags to say that to say that ryan johnson treated the series disrespectfully means that i'm a star wars fan before a movie fan that doesn't make any sense i chi then says i think this perspective is important because i feel like i and many others are looking at this movie in a totally different lens to a lot of other people and rags straw man's this on the basis of his earlier statements about how i achieve must have only liked the pretty visuals and nothing else you wanted to see pretty graphics and it has star wars in it so it must be good i don't know the context of that so i can't say either way uh legitimate with him with him talking and stuff i don't know where one video begins and one doesn't and if the two things are together that's the thing like that's why i like my format so much better because it's so much more simple oh yeah just play video respond play video respond but uh what i got from that is i hate everything says i went into this film with a particular lens and then implying that's why he didn't hate it like compared to other people who did and then you respond with oh yeah the lens of you want to see pretty visuals and blah blah blah blah okay gotcha like it's obviously you're being coy again because you're implying that his point is kind of worthless he said it would be like this film is being hated by people but if i go into it i don't hate it because i'm looking at it through a particular lens it's like what even point are you making and you you filled in a blank that obviously you did i doubt if you would ask yourself in that very moment did i hear everything say that he only likes it for the pretty visuals you'd be like we'll know but it's like because it's universally pretty much agreed that things like the effects and the cinematography are amazing across the spectrum yeah and those aren't exactly um controversial things to say at this point which herring is the problem with this video self-awareness he criticizes you for not giving i had everything enough benefit of the doubt and putting things in his mouth etc and it's like you're doing the exact same thing to rags yeah that's the thing i'm like some people comments there in the in the chatter saying is like i don't it's hard to get a context of what i'm saying to what because the editing is so confusingly done yeah like it's hard to tell remember like the line his defenses have included i had everything is being um hyperbolic he's joking or he said uh what was the one uh sympathetic or something something to do with feelings that's the one so sentimental joking and hyperbolic he's used those as defenses for i had everything so how can we not apply them to everything you're saying you are being hyperbolic in your response to him just then deliberately that's that would be my assessment so i'm curious how tRO would be able basically he sells as much benefit of the doubt to i had everything as he can and he takes as much as he can away from you clearly and that's not me it's pretty clear who's side who's on but we should know that because and i can i can see why the right opinion have a hand to play in ihs video yeah which is a video like if you are a true star wars fan you'd hate what this movie did i see so many comments exclaim yeah it's silly for people on the internet to decide who and who isn't a true fan of something which once again rax question why is this music so loud and what the hell's the tone of it like dun dun dun dun dun dun yeah it's really i'm not saying that's that's not an argument that he's wrong who isn't a true that's not an argument that's wrong shit sorry there you go it's not i'm not saying it's an argument he's wrong i'm saying this is annoying editing stop whoever added to this part stop leave for people on the internet to decide who and who isn't a true fan of something again why are you finding these comments well by what met by what standard yeah obviously you fucking idiot if they're there it's because he chose to put them there fucking stupid idiot as if rax is disputing that like yes i'm just yes i i couldn't have figured out the right opinion i couldn't have figured out that the reason they're in your video is because you put them in your video yeah fucking brilliant analysis it's not what i'm asking exist rags a doctored screenshot you know that video i released randomly of just corpse rotting on the road they were like why did you release that it exists because i decided to it exists i uploaded the video that's why ah this just not an argument it feels like rax is annoyed at having to agree with him so he has to take issue even when there isn't one he know because this is a repeat of before rags is commenting again on how i hit everything brings in these extremely hyperbolic and stupid comments to respond to and then also be like negative response you see negative response is ridiculous it's like no yes geez and the ah the idea that you can is that you can unironically say it's there because he decided to put them there no fucking shit sherlock he then says would you yourself try to paint as irrelevant and not worthy of your time when from my perspective it was just a joke he there you go again well it's oh well if he's okay well if he is joking i wish i could joke i wish i wish rags would get that benefit yeah it would be nice if rags got that every once in a while but never mind then claims me even though you address these kinds of things so much in this video instead of the actual critic yeah and rags is right he's simultaneously puts look how look how irrelevant this comment is he's put negative four million votes on it then he's also saying this is everywhere this is the thing we need to respond to yes like is he saying by putting negative four hundred thousand or whatever he's saying that nobody agrees with it nobody ever would agree with it and how minuscule and pointless it is like he himself through this edit he made is saying that it's ridiculous and it shouldn't have attention paid to it but he's paying it so much attention and i'm like yeah when's the criticism of like the film gonna start like we're gonna say anything that like matters or as if his video which is initiating discussion on a general topic and highlighting the toxicity of debates is meant to address every single last criticism rags once again seems to think that these come no rags just wanted you to address the reasonable ones the ones with merit he made that very clear he said the word merit fuck you as if rags wants you to fucking respond to every single criticism that ever existed about this film i want you yeah obviously obviously i don't want you to spend all of your time talking about this silly ridiculous comments that you yourself believe are so silly and ridiculous you edit them to look so comments are either uncommon or non-existent rags then says it's avoiding things that should be talked about you are clearly avoiding things that should be talked about it's star wars not a fucking missile crisis who are you to decide what should and should not be talked about depends on the context if you want to hear absolutely if you're gonna say let's talk about the quality of the last jedi okay well there's some subjects we should cover and it's like who the fuck are you to say who someone should talk well you should talk about now isn't it i i would maybe i'm giving people like tro the the benefit of the down maybe giving i'm giving them too much credit by thinking that we can come together and decide what is valid criticism or not you know like some nobody on the internet with no subs who made a comment months ago that hasn't gotten any attention exactly that doesn't have any substance to it is like yeah i think most people can agree that we can ignore that and instead move to things like videos that talk about the plot issues or the character issues or the pacing issues or the editing mistakes i guess i gave too much credit someone just said the guys lie he should be responding to everything since they exist it's true they do exist and talk about a film more in depth then go and watch another video you can't dictate what their topics should yeah that's not what rags did so yeah it's not you can discuss their execution or you want but there is a difference he has never declared this as an in-depth review not every fucking have to declare it when he's talking about the quality of the film yeah what what what is this nonsense as well it's like he's just sharing his feelings rags you can't criticize that oh this is like an obsession with uh the idea that rags just wants something specific from the video when he can't stop highlighting uh the need for substantive arguments that's what rags is actually doing also i think he's gone for something a sec who are you to choose who's relative in this discussion but they exist do we exist does this chat exist oh tiaro ti are oh very misguided video like um it would be interesting to see how this video would have looked if i was able to just talk to him for half an hour before it what's this all that would have been required to dissolve most of this because i don't know why i don't know why you'd want to choose this video from i had everything to defend as well it's just such this is a bad one this is a bad one and everything the way he defends it he does on his channel is a review and not everyone who is subscribed is subscribed for the reviews it's not what rags said anyway yeah i don't care white people are subscribed to whatever anybody i don't it doesn't matter looking at recent releases hunt down the freedom was just a discussion youtube in the news that's not this is not relevant i don't care about any of that stuff he's like rags is demanding things from the channel assuming stuff based on this other videos like no rags has already made it clear he's only seen this video so i don't know what you're doing here as a thought piece the only things that are always actual views are his search for the worst series and even then he doesn't discuss every element this channel doesn't take doesn't counter anything rags said these topics too seriously the title suggests that it's i ate everything and he talks about the last Jedi that's pretty much what you i'm not expecting him i'm not expecting him to expect me to like it it's ridiculous why why this long tangent that doesn't mean anything rags said he should talk about specific things to do with the film like criticisms if he's gonna be making statements about the film's quality and then there's the thing like we've gone over plenty of this video to imply that i ate everything is doing an assessment of sorts and we've already covered as well he said that the people in that screenshot were being malicious and overly simple and it's like you're not even addressing their arguments if you're gonna say that they're overly simple fucking address their arguments and explain how i would love to have some arguments about this film be presented man instead of just shitting on all these people and then being like it's his video rags he can do as he wishes got whether you like it or not if he presented this as an in-depth critique maybe your quants would be more just as if as if he did that you'd still be making this fucking video yeah he reached right but i beckon you to find where he premised that rags then talks about this brand movie distinction in response to ie's facetious claim that no one hates star that's not that's an incorrect uh usage of facetious but that's a good that was more than star wars fans referencing mohler's theory i guess it is true but no one quite hates star wars as much as star wars fans mohler who i spoke of earlier wrapped up his trilogy of criticism videos on the last jedi with this message it seems very appropriate here ultimately star wars as a movie made people fall in love with a fictional world and its characters as a byproduct they fell in love with a brand that brand lives on today and now star wars as a brand is making people fall in love with the movies in a most shallow and empty way it doesn't matter what it is anymore just as long as it's called star wars which as a theory must i say is a damn interesting one but a theory nonetheless unless you present oh jesus christ i want where he wants me to go he wants you to present irrefutable evidence that people like star wars for shallow reasons in relation to the franchise being made into products and merchandising go for it rags make that video man it's why don't you just take the theory and like talk tell me what you think about it give me something give me instead of saying well unless you can prove it empirically you're not gonna maybe he will say some about it but if he doesn't i'm like man that's just so dismissive hmm b however it doesn't seem particularly relevant from my point of view as i said i do not think that i cheese in love with the brand from what has been witnessed and it being used in this way just see well he kind of admitted that to me and wolf he said that he likes the film in spite of its poor quality that must be related to his love for star wars it's like there you go yep yes like it's one of those yeah straight from i ate everything's mouth tro you are wrong well he's quinton said something later on like um if more was to speak to i ate everything all he would say is that's an interesting perspective you have that's your opinion it's like but that's not what even happened when we had our conversations to get fun yeah it's like you guys just say wrong this stuff is wrong it's just not correct you say a thing and it's like nope we've got it straight from the horse's mouth here you're just wrong to gaslight his opinions before they've even been stated then it uses a mark it's only a movie and if you think you're gonna go into the movie and recapture your childhood you're setting yourself up for the disappointment which once again is summing up the message of his video the sort of don't take it too seriously guys yeah that's an interesting take it's a very interesting take when i when i saw that clip from our camel after seeing the film i was like oh oh that's what that meant this poor broken man this poor poor man to take that as you know you're just gonna take some risks gonna be interesting films like mmm that is rags responds this with an onslaught of mark hamel interviews where he expressed out oh you're gonna bring mark hamel into the exactly man you're gonna bring mark hamel into it all right let's play some other clips shall we yeah maybe this is like this is pretty uh this is pretty rough if you're gonna bring up mark hamel in his opinions all right let's get into mark hamel in his opinions exactly before he bowed down to disney okay no one can hear this nobody can fucking hear this shit what's the point in speeding up to the point we can't even hear it here's the thing it's gonna take throat i'm gonna give you some advice so this right here is bullshit what you do in this video right now if you're gonna play something then you play it to where it can be understood because if you don't that's slimy shit you understand if you're gonna play stuff he might not have edited this though i know but he proved he approved it no that you're right you're right about that yeah uh this i'm more commenting on how interesting that dynamic is it's like he doesn't even have control over the clips that have even played well we assume maybe it's in the script maybe it's in the script a lot of f's in the chat i'm guessing they're from mark hamel yeah i'm telling you look if you're gonna put this stuff in your video i don't it's it's just not it's it doesn't give the good impression to the viewer that you're doing this from a good place i mean at least it's the one one time but genuinely like let's let's just give this a small rewind can you understand this character i heard character what's the fucking point in playing you may as well played one clip clearly instead of might as well you might as well have just censored my video because he can't understand him you're playing the clip but you sped it up to a point where people can't understand what he's saying so as a result these are points that i'm this is a point that i am making in my video this is a point that's supposed to have like substance and merit to it as a response to ihe bringing up mark hamel and you're just gonna play it in your video where people can't hear my side that's scummy dude yeah i'm not sure i think i think i wouldn't do that someone else and you could do it in your videos if you really want to but i wouldn't do that to somebody else i think the goal here is gonna be that he's gonna be like look at all these clips he's played a mark hamel fine but look at these clips like everyone always uses the counter that mark has now said that the film is good so if that's what he's gonna do at least that has some form of design behind it but it's still pretty shit to skip past these like why even show them if you're gonna do this oh man this is that's a great clip he says that it doesn't matter if the movie is good as long as it makes money i know that clip but he just fucking skipped it i know that clip too remember kids if you get into hollywood it doesn't matter how good it is or what the quality is or the only thing that matters is that if it makes money yeah and he's a fucking odd topic about transformers and comparing it to the force awakens which that's pretty heavy kill me from mark hamel someone's saying that this is narrative tripling is when he tripled the speed and listen hamel's character missed the mark for me on premise however most these interviews followed through with context that hamel was actually quite happy with the final product and that he did accept it no prove it he didn't he didn't have a chance he had to accept it that wasn't his decision to make whether he accepted it or not and besides the context that i remember from a lot of those clips is he'll end it by saying but you know this is not luke's story this is not my movie this is ryan's movie and i have to there's even a clip where he says this is a hundred percent ryan's movie so if it's good it's his fault if it's bad it's also his fault and the thing is if you're gonna say that right after playing the clips but we can't understand them i mean how much more of an impact would it have had if you could actually hear mark hamel in my clips and then the right opinion said oh but he loves the film it's great yeah and talk about effectiveness for editing you show the clip the rags shows then you go but how did that clip end and you drag it from its source and show the immediately after mark goes but the film is amazing and you'd be like why did you clip that out rags that would be something but what he did here i don't even i'm not even following really like this is like oh man this is like scummy narrative tripping i like i'm i'm saying i you could make your videos however you want them but i would never do this to somebody else and maybe that's the difference between you and me the right opinion maybe that's the big difference between you and me you put more music in your videos right loud music and play someone else talking when you talk jesus even if he initially objected to it and i think development of such is very interesting so to frame it is just hamel unequivocally hating it is kind of undermining the actual no rags said it's interesting you're playing some clips from mark hamel let's play some other ones i don't know if did you say mark hamel hates the last jedi did you say that definitively i can't remember i don't know it's even if you like if i had to choose between if i had to choose between he hates it or he loves it i'd say yeah he hates it same but i suppose it's we can just say we're being hyperbolic can't we yeah we're being hyperbolic tiaro in fact we're joking or uh we're being sentimental yeah one of the complexity in his thoughts the interviews with him are very interesting we wouldn't know because we wouldn't know because we couldn't hear him oh we got a new editor in part edited by happycraft tv like the part coming up for the part of that no idea dude i don't know well let me give you some editing advice clarify that please ask if it's a mistake that you even if you said this part edited is like you mean the upcoming part or is this part of the part that you played or someone's brought up in chat and again we did bring it up it could be the fault of the editors but it's like that's you can't do that you have to accept that you're still responsible for the video yeah it's on your channel if i let somebody edit my video and there's like full frontal nudity halfway through it then i'm responsible because i didn't because i proved it yeah he tiaro must have approved the video we have to assume that youtube search box feels that mark hamill hates the last jedi do you think it is a mistake for youtube's algorithm to go ahead and not oh fill mark hamill to mark hamill hates the last jedi but the search box is much more based on popular demand what people think rather than what mark hamill thinks himself from i don't think rags said that's what mark hamill this that was based on what he thinks you just you just highlight it is a very interesting thing yeah yeah i'm basically saying this is a very interesting thing because there ain't one for mark hamill loves the last jedi which makes you think hmm why are so many people interested in mark hamill not loving the last jedi in the whole names views of icing he genuinely seems passionate about the movie and i think him stating his apprehensions just makes it seem real and it's a shame that he's had to apologize for something that he shouldn't apologize for at least we agree on that i mean you shouldn't have had to apologize for seeing the film betrays jedi and luke yeah i will i will for that i'll link lots of interviews in the description below which have him expressing everything good to bad it's honestly really cool to see him be so upfront and although i agree with rags that he is a gem i would not say that he hates it on top of that i would not look that deeply into the clip that ihg plays other than to reflect the message of ihg's video rather hard that's the problem i had everything was like see we should listen to mark hamill don't take it so seriously it's like should we also listen to mark hamill when he says that it's like really bad for all these different reasons oh should we ignore those bits because those bits get in the way i don't know even the fact that mark hamill so conflicted apparently i mean even that in and of itself is like cause for concern or at least i think it should oh yeah dude this clip where he like puts his head in his hand and he like shakes a bit that's a fucking broken ass man and it's sad because everybody claps when he says that we're supposed to ignore the fans it's like what the fuck is happening honestly it's not that deep then rags turns ihg's narrative on him encourages ihg to tell mark hamill what ihg tells rags and those who dislike the film that a he's taking it too seriously we're taking it too seriously i don't i don't get a context of this yeah i don't understand talk about framing like i'm not is this what rags says i i i don't know what i'm the clip tiara why couldn't show it i'm i'm legitimately confused as to what he's saying here i'm gonna assume clear the what you said this is the complete assumption here i'm gonna assume what you said was hey i had everything why don't you tell mark that he's taking the film too seriously when he says that you know luke is uh being completely ruined or the jedi as a whole the bubble and i think that's relatively reasonable because rags in this video is running with the the conclusion that the people i had everything is talking about are people like the screenshot i had everything showed where they're like i'm so disappointed in this film it ruined x y and z it's like mark hamill has said similar things okay do you understand how rags got from a to b to c because it makes sense to me but apparently this is a complete jump in a reframing of the reality again and that's me assuming what happens in your video from from what i'm getting from this it's a very very oddly edited i i rewound it about 13 seconds so let's take a look turns i chi's narrative on him encourages i chi to tell mark hammer what i chi tells rags and those who dislike the film that a he's taking it too seriously we're taking it too seriously b he's nitpicking we're nitpicking c he went in expecting to hate it or we just went in wanting to hate it and d that he should shut up and enjoy the spectacle why can't you just shut up mark and enjoy the spectacle easily argued the rags is being hyperbolic yeah obviously yeah i'm trying to i think what i'm because the editing is very unusual here with way he phrases it you'd think that if he used the script he'd be a lot more clear and concise it's normally the point yeah i find it fascinating that he describes what you said and then like shows very quick clips instead of just playing rags's clip entirely yeah um i think what i was doing because i haven't watched the video since um i think what i was saying was why can't you apply the reasons that mark didn't like the movie to the reasons that you gave to everyone else yeah i think that's what i was saying that's what i mean it's like a question it's a exploration if you will it's like i had everything would you say this same stuff to mark hammer after what he said i think that i think that is what i said and yeah it's interesting and he's like look at rags reframing it as if he's saying all of these things to people like mark hammer who are simply sharing their opinion it's like whoa yeah i think it's supposed to make me clear and more concise same thing with a script so yeah and i stand but if that's what i yeah that i just stand by what i said i mean because i think that's a really interesting point to make would you tell mark hammer after he said the things that he said not that the right opinion showed that well he showed it but we couldn't understand him which is in and of it showed it for people who slow the fucking video down to zero point two five yeah it's why you know why is that not a um a good thing to explore because i think that's an interesting question to ask yeah same you know if you can say it to us why can't you say it to him but unfortunately for you rags he's played a clip of a person looking confused or uncomfortable at what you said so get fucked okay he's got okay i don't know this guy is okay there is a curbed fury to these lines that would provoke a viewer however rags has employed a few tricks which i don't know rags is employing tricks that is interesting okay i think they're done out of naivety in this instance firstly he loads his statement with the presupposition that i cheers not again you're exploring a hugely into rags just commenting on how interesting it would be to i hate everything's responses on to mark hamill yeah it really it's really simple like he's gonna over analyze this like crazy so let's see how much of this we can get through it was super simple i'm hoping it doesn't really need much exploration yeah i was gonna say i'm hoping we can get through like a good half a minute or more with just this is all gonna be over analyzing what you said it's been telling him and those who dislike the film the following statements which as we've addressed is not the case he's addressing the toxic side of the debate yeah no we've addressed that that's not the case he's yeah he clearly isn't shown screenshots of reasonable people too tiaro you showed it in your video several times you need to watch the videos then gradually escalates each statement to the point that none of these things are remotely applicable beyond the first one the one that mark hamill was saying himself anyway and the one being out not that we'd know we can hear him right ridiculous he has not once said that he should shut up and enjoy the spectacle do you think rags was saying that i hate everything was saying that when he just says it wow that's a bit of a stretch that's a bit of a jump there tiaro this is uh that's a bit of a reach this is what i mean he's he's guilty of everything he's accusing you of like it's very strange our critics often do that though i just take this long to make this kind of video and fuck up this much yeah it's very strange because all i all i'm asking is you know wouldn't it be interesting you know would you would you would you say to him will you basically save everyone else that's all that's all i'm saying hey there's no trick there's no trick no he said it was a trick and he showed a guy looking uncomfortable at you you're done rags leave you i have a joke rags then somewhere you just said what a joke about about your i'm sorry this is getting uh very just self-awareness levels have plummeted to negative billions at this point yeah rises his thoughts on a conceptual basis before pointing us towards more is more in depth video i will say that with the utmost confidence of all of the criticisms reviews and commentaries that i've watched within the last two months span that star wars the last jedi is one of the worst constructed films i have ever seen even though it might not have been obvious right off the bat once more i cannot stress enough how informative and in-depth the criticisms made by mauler are of this film there are so many if it took him four and a half five hours to talk about them all there is no way i could possibly and realistically do them justice okay i'm there you go okay i mean that sounds pretty fucking straightforward to me i'm like man there's so many criticisms i couldn't even begin to touch them but here's where you can hear them that's not going to be good enough though i think we're nearly there to where i start getting lambasted instead of you so it's going to be fun and and plus i said that this was one of the worst films i've ever seen how could he possibly say i'm wrong if that's what he's going to say but i'm curious to value arguments media can be bad in subjective ways but it can be bad in objective ways that can be measured discussed and explained and you can quote me on this because i stand by it 110 percent the last jedi is an objectively poorly made film yes yes the objective value i was originally hypothesized in mauler's con hypothesis people keep saying i've invented it i'm not the inventor of the idea of assessing something without emotional influence that's not something i made okay it's ridiculous that i absolutely stand by it yeah yeah there's some pretty serious fucking objective issues with the last jedi and it's like mauler's hypothesize that you could objectively judge us like no intense so if rags can bring in a friend so can i and let me tell you all right we're about to start the quintin section and a mod suggest i should try and get through a few of the superchats to keep up with them instead of let me use the let me use the loo you do that okay um let's see where we are narrative tripling Leonard church here saying sorry to bother rags on discord when he's gaming i'm sure he's he's okay with that uh narrative tripling is when you listen to three audiobooks at once which is kind of what we did in this uh do you guys like anime if so what are some of your favorites my favorite anime is fma brotherhood and one punch man they're my favorites from what i have seen so you guys talked about yen and siri being cast what are your thoughts uh wolf has said that he's very upset about basically all the casting of the witcher i'm assuming that's related to the witcher uh can you guys upload the i hate everything debate and just edit i hate everything out maybe get someone else to read his part you can't object if he's not actually in it right i'm pretty sure he would object to that absolutely like he's not happy to have it released at all uh what did wolf do to get banned from twitter again he called somebody a retard i believe there may have been some other insults thrown and i think it was hate speech that he got nuked for him or can you do a video analysis on the series zombie milfs three the squirting dead i i i'm gonna refrain from that one because i'm busy with star wars um i'm poor and can't donate as much as i'd like but i really like to support what you do and have watched all your content more than what are your thoughts on sick hero you're gonna have to wait until it comes out uh looks interesting and if my like i'll be doing work on the tfa critique i think but if enough friends recommend it then i'll probably jump on especially after seeing some more gameplay trailers but uh thank you for uh support uh for the law holds that is better than 10 guilty persons escape than one in innocent suffer from cw blackstone moola argumentation please i think that's in relation to kavanaugh i'm assuming uh pumpkin it came out way before but um i agree yeah it's better that we live in a system where the the the legal system isn't okay with innocent people being incarcerated well it's it's kind of why i stand on a negative on the death penalty because i hate the idea of innocent people getting murdered by the government because of laws they didn't even break like that's fucked up what i my opinion on that is that i think there are crimes that are worthy of the death penalty the problem is being that sure yes it's it's it's tough stuff um and it's just it's not because i'm pretty sure there's there are a whole bunch of people who have been killed uh wrongly on death row right like there's a whole history of it oh i'm sure i'm absolutely certain uh a response to a response to a response gotta go more have you seen the thanos vid with you yes and i'm probably gonna play that on the next efap because we can't i was gonna do it on this one but i was like this one's gonna be way too long anyway what do you think of plinkett's criticisms of it making no sense for there to be different sized lightsabers would a 16 foot tall creature have a large lightsaber if so how would a fight be fair i mean it's probably just uh he's probably right i don't know if the films are ever gonna go into the depth of how they construct lightsabers the whole the whole point of a fight is that it's unfair in your favor um how dare tRO misuse monokuma's theme this way i don't even know what monokuma is after watching your hbomber guy response i got inspired to play through all of the soul's games finish the trilogy bloodborne and i'm working on neo ever tried neo thoughts rags wolf um i need to play neo have you played it rags neo i have not played neo i've heard it's good though we will get to it uh eventually because i've heard a lot of good things about it i watched this stream three times and was never bored i'm so glad efap is a thing it's sated by desire for good podcasts it's the drunken peasants breakup last year we wolf has actually mentioned we've got a lot of comments comparing us to the drunken peasants it's quite interesting because it's really yeah it's i guess the format's similar but the thing is like the drunken peasants would cover at least like a good four or five videos in one two hour stream and obviously i'm not saying that they should do what we do but i was gonna say like ours is very different to that it's we've gone for four hours but ours is very content rich you could say it's very dense i guess we play content and try to create content at the same time but um thank you because i you know i find the drunken peasants was quite entertaining um so to say that we're similar to them and that they were a good podcast thank you yoda rejects luke because of his age going back to jedi council rules while luke just rejects ray because kylo well yeah i mean understanding luke's perspective about jedi and stuff in the last jedi is confusing as hell i would never expect someone with an aggressive name like i hate everything to be such a bitch oh well maybe he wouldn't call himself that if he was to rename it today i suppose uh just want to say the last jedi battles are tiny compared to real war single planet and the leaders don't seem to understand the cost of war compared to real battles and you'll see there's there's quite a few youtube videos that assess it from a military perspective that are quite interesting um they're they don't come up in the last jedi's favor let's put it that way i just want to give them the thing is too with um the last jedi it's really tough to get a sense of scale of this conflict yeah i think it's really a failing of the film i mean it's confusing as hell they have like the biggest enemy force in the history of star wars and then also they like wiped out in one move and you're like oh wow but then they're also a still a huge force to be dealt with um also they have a dreadnought that's one of several according to leo it's you have no idea what this the stakes or scale is of everything really um i just want to give mark hamill a big hug and say it's not your fault we're all there with you bad um hello dog i wanted to become patron for a while but you know the saying shit happens anyway keep up the awesome work i'm assuming that's directed at you rags well i appreciate the cinnamon either way i'm convinced that hamill's change in tone in his tweets that disney came to him and said we can easily make your death look like an accident we'll never know for sure um i stand by the fact that i think mark hamill felt bad that he was being referenced and used as a sort of linchpint in arguments and he was like no i just want to i just wanted to say what i thought about the film i didn't want to cause you know that sort of thing but again i don't know anything about what goes behind on behind doors in disney so who knows uh rags probably just what he just wanted to be unifying i think that's just the kind of person he is rags given fallout 76 a trial i don't know honestly i don't know maybe but um i don't know what i've seen so far is that it looks like a fallout for dlc and he said wait my previous donation not go through let me have a look for the black flame uh i read the one that you said you wanted to recommend Gundam iron-blooded orphans i don't know if there's any others i've missed i'm afraid i'm pretty sure that's everybody in which case let's continue this is the reveal of the well before we do uh the right opinion said will rags brought in a friend he's like no i just mentioned someone who's yeah i'm not actually a guest in the video yeah i was like hey i'm just gonna reference this guy you should watch his videos they're really great on this movie so if i know you're gonna love who i'm about to introduce someone who although i disagree with fairly clearly on the last Jedi which disclaimer we're gonna disagree with in this following section i consider a friend nonetheless who's always helped me out and involve me with his writing process let's bring him in hi i'm quinn reviews and this is a kind of happy of citizen kane oh my god i'm so sorry okay some anyone want to guess what that's supposed to mean um because i haven't seen this um uh i guess he guess he that he doesn't care about good films my only guess is that he thinks that there are people out there like me and you who consider it sacrilegious