How you guys doing? I'm doing great. I'm doing great. Jay. How are you doing? I'm doing fantastic I got you know, I have some inventions rolling if you take a look at Joey's Twitter You can see the the things that I got going on in my head I don't want anyone to leave the show, but after the show I do want everyone to go to my Twitter and just Jay is a man of innovations and I'm just really impressed with him. He is at Gmen Jay. That's where you can find it We're at at the Joey Wright. I guess is where it is. I don't know one of their Twitters. Yeah We are also joined by a fantasy football guy He's fantasy football football guys and at the FF playbook if you've seen our show before you have most definitely seen Alfredo in here sometime. We are joined by Alfredo Brown. How are you doing my friend? What's going on everybody? I would like to also add great hugger. I got a couple hugs at Incantan. Oh, yeah He just the hugs just I am jealous fit right in there. Nice night just a perfect amount of force It was yeah, I linger a little bit and I give it just a good like Yeah, and then you got you got to know when to let go I'm with you Alfredo. I learned that skill early on in life. I Learned exactly how you described as my technique. So I know that you are a man of honor Thank you. Thank you. That's how I like to portray myself as a man of honorable hugs. Yes Today we got a brilliant game of fantasy football jeopardy put together by our very own Jay here But before we get into that guys, I want to talk quickly about this game tonight Thursday night football We got Chargers and we got chiefs Alfredo. How do you think this game is gonna go? What are you excited to see? What are you looking for?  I'm like at least 80 pass attempts in this game at least at least I'm really excited for for that team that you're wearing right now JL the Chargers I I want to see them go off man. Like I want to see Mike Williams play Well, I want to see Joe and every keep going and I'm excited for my guy Josh Palmer I want to see what he does fill in in for Keenan Allen today, man That should just be a lot of fun if the chiefs just keep being really good It's just it's just gonna get boring at some point that they're they just keep winning.  How you feeling about this game? I'm really excited I've got Mike Williams. I was just looking at it. I haven't as my wide receiver 10 I think last week is an anomaly and without Keenan. I think he's gonna go crazy.  Mike Williams, man I hate that everyone keeps saying that cuz I'm afraid it's not gonna happen. If we just don't say it That's generally how it works. Everybody's on somebody and then it never pans out Thursday weird Usually the running backs are incredible on Thursday nights and the wide receivers are a little weak So, but I don't know I I'm getting I'm getting like Rams chiefs money in my football vibes for tonight I don't know. Maybe I'm just I'm getting a little too high.  Yeah DJ in here asking about Josh Palmer if he has any value with Keenan Allen out Alfredo just touched on this Jay, how you feeling about Josh Palmer? Yeah, I've got him in some deeper leagues and everywhere. I have him I'm firing him up even with Keenan Allen on the field last week. He had some production So I expect this to be a shootout I'm playing Josh Palmer everywhere I can preferably in like a flex position, but I'd be comfortable as a wide receiver three as well By receiver three level Alfred are you that bullish on Josh Palmer this week wider see for three territory? Yeah, I almost feel like you have to like this is exactly what you drafted Josh Palmer for Keenan Allen Why did you do it? There is this prime time game against the division rival And there's going to be more passes than probably any other NFL game in the year like What else are you wait yet in history? I'm gonna go out and say it on record. Yeah Like what else are you waiting for if there was a time to start Josh Palmer? It's it's this week and you know what just for me being so confident about it probably be totally wrong He's gonna throw up one reception for six yards and Deandre Carter is going off Deandre Carter season. We got Simon in the chat said hello from the other side. Hello Simon That's Simon I did see in the last question. Sorry. They had a question about Gerald Everett Um, I have Gerald Everett as my tight end nine. I'm starting above Pat Friarwith and Dawson Knox this week I like everything a lot I love it. Love it. We got mr. Scamper's in the chat. We got Marvin in the chat. Hey Marvin Where's my mom? I know she's watching she's in there somewhere. We got my mom in here great day for him And oh Hi mom. Hi ma we got Alejandro in here It's the last question before we start getting into our game Alejandro's asking earths or everett earths are everett this week Alfredo, what do you think earths are everett? Oh man, that's uh That's a tough one. I kind of so this is interesting But I like to go with the thursday night guy because if everett bombs you at least know, okay I got to make up a lot of points later on in the week Um, I don't know that they're they're both pretty touchdown dependent. They both have good quarterbacks I'd rather go for the game with the higher implied point total So Gerald everett. I don't think is that far off from zackert. So I'll I'll lean everett by like a smidge Yeah, I'm with you that I have these guys back to back in my rankings this week But everett exactly what you said Alfredo give me any player in this game I'll take the player in this game over other games Just for the sheer fact that I hope they score a lot of fantasy points. That's why you start fantasy players This is a score fantasy points And simon said coops said this morning he would start everett over schultz and got it as well So he's also very high on him. Alfredo, you are in good company the tight end tickler over there All right guys, we are going to get into our game of let's go fantasy football Jeopardy before I do that quick reminder if you haven't already make sure you are following alfredo Alfredo brown right there at the pretend gm right there under his gorgeous face They're under his gorgeous face. He's incredibly sharp a must follow if you want to win fantasy bottom line Second second reminder make sure you are subscribed to fan duel on youtube follow them on twitch Follow them on facebook everywhere everywhere because they have amazing content creators putting out dope content every single day All right guys Ready to get into some jeopardy. Let's do it. I am so ready. You got the rules I got the rules. I got the rules. I got taken away So today we will be playing fantasy football jeopardy Which is going to be a lot like the tv game show that you're used to there are a few different tweaks To make it work for this. So first off there are five categories. I will go through I will explain what they are shortly you will choose a category and You will choose the dollar amount if you get the question right You will also get to choose the the category for the person after you the order We are going is alfredo Then jl and joey last because honestly joey. I don't like you If you get the question right You get to pick the category for the next person if you get it wrong You do not lose money like you do in the game show. You just don't get to pick the The category for the person after you we will have a final jeopardy round That you will lose money you risk you decide the amount of money that you would like to risk Before we get started. I will go through all the categories Alfredo, this is the one before the show started. I told you I made for you This is a who said that batman edition. I know you are a very big batman fan So this will be quotes you will have to decide if somebody from the nfl could be a coach could be a former player Could be a player or was it a batman villain? Week one fun will be all questions related to week one grab bag can be anything And I do mean literally anything a picture is worth a thousand words that one you will have to figure out for yourself And thursday night football fandals sportsbook That one Is going to visit our favorite fandals sportsbook, but all the questions are related to tonight's game alfredo noted hugger Where would you like to go? Uh, you mean honorable hugger. Okay, we're gonna say it noted hugger sounds terrible.  We just adjusted the schedule will be on after the show So every thursday at Six o'clock p.m. Eastern time six p.m. Ish Right after this show on the fan. Excuse me front yard fantasy youtube channel will be office hours Where if you have any questions hop in there, that's that's basically what that is a q&a And we will be getting to your questions. I see a bunch of questions in here already We will be getting to them in between rounds of this game Just be patient. It's all we ask All right, you ready jay. Yeah alfredo Let's do it. Where you going? I mean, I have to start out with who said that batman edition. I figured much. How much are we going with? Let's go for 200 go for 200 You are trying to understand madness with logic. Was that mike tomlin or mad hatter? Wow, this was trickier than I thought it was gonna be it's at least 50 50 Yeah, yeah, is it is this including like animated version stuff too? Yes at all All realms of batman universe. Okay. Okay.  That is mad hatter, but I can definitely I can hear my common saying something like that Margement so with that being said let me they both scare me a little bit Yeah, that's true. Let me I have to move my very zoom Move that real quick. Give me just one second. Apologize about that I was blocked but here we go. All right All right, where is jay all gonna go? Are we going alfredo? Is it it's my turn again. Yep, so you get to pick since you got it correct. Oh, you're right. You're right. You're right You're right. I'm just i'm not a smart person. Sorry.  All right. Let's go grab bag for 300 How many children does kanye west have three four or five? There's north count all the direction. I'll There's this north. Uh, there's Shoot there's four. Do you have a compass? I Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'll go with four Correct for song. Yes, Chicago. Wait, what about p. Davidson? He's not one of his kids He's one of his sons Jay, I don't even know who that is joey, uh excuse me jail. Where are you saying joey?  Like it sounds like that one terry bradshaw, I do it sounds like something terry bradshaw would say Um, but just for relevance. I think it's nathaniel hackett Because he's he's been in the news a lot. Yeah, that's my answer Terry bradshaw Terry bradshaw your mom got it right joey. Did she hi mom. Yeah Good job. Hi mom guys. I told my mom that alfredo was gonna be on the show today and she called me She was she was very excited. Oh mom's love alfredo. It's hard not to love alfredo. So my mom loves me too Let's be honest. That's so weird Alfredo, do you know how to croon like like like a sinatra or a buble like can you croon at all or no? No, I don't misconception. No, that's a horrible misconception. I don't even know what does croon mean. What is croon?  Yeah, like someone who croons never mind Right. I'm the old man of crooning joey because you just use it in a sentence. I haven't crooned in a long time Soak of these what croon means. Look, it's like, do you know what I mean by like Michael buble? Frank Sinatra, Tony Bennett. These are people who sing and Sounds like you want me to sing specific type of singing It's like My voice isn't deep or suave enough for that like I have I'm still going to be going through puberty at 45 years old One who croons All right, alfredo joey got it wrong. So you get to pick your category. Where are we going? Oh, man, let's let's go back to who said that batman edition. Let's go for 500. Where are we going? The money is only important because it's important to other people, but it means nothing compared to my name Saquon Barkley, Deathstroke, Lamar Jackson, Penguin or Aaron Rogers Huh, that's a tough one. Huh. That's why it's not Saquon because running backs don't get paid Um, it's not Deathstroke because he doesn't oh, maybe he doesn't he doesn't care about money either. Hmm. Hmm You know what this sounds like something that would be going on during the Lamar Jackson contract saga I'm gonna say Lamar Jackson final answer final answer It was actually Deathstroke. I thought I was happy to know you got that money Was such a good guess I was not I was not thinking it was going to be Lamar Jackson Until you said it and then I was like, oh my god, that makes a ton of sense Jay, this was a well-construct. Yes, instructed question. That was tough. That was tough. That is a good 500 Jail All right, let's get some of these questions in between these we got some left over We got some from DJ asking I have the chiefs D. Should I look elsewhere? What do you think Alfredo chiefs D against these these chargers tonight? Yeah, I mean Listen the chiefs D. They're they're still fine, but yeah, I'd be looking elsewhere I'm not trying to throw them up against potentially the best offense in the league. Um, no Yeah, I would I think you could probably find a better matchup on the waiver wire Ryan asking marquise brown or gabe davis joey. What do you think marquise brown or gabe? Um Probably marquise brown for me. I I want to see one more week of gabe davis Like he looked incredible. Yes But yeah, I want to see especially with deandre hopkins out there Zach Hurts is playing but he's still a little hurt and that wide receiver two not being clearly defined there Yeah, me marquise brown one more week What do you mean not defined? You're not a fan of greg dorsch dorsch the dorsch master The dorsch dorsch dorsch dorsch a few more weeks out of dorsch and then and then we'll talk about him Jay, what do you think marquise brown or dorsch the dorsch? Joey pretty much said it perfectly. Uh, oh dorsch the dorsch. Sorry No, gabe davis or marquise brown is a question. Yeah. Yeah marquise brown. I'm with joey. Well, you know, it was nice to see gabe davis Have a pretty solid week one. I'm Not bought in yet. So we'll see i'm gonna give marquise brown another chance I think the arizona offense is gonna do much better this week than they did last Yeah, I have two spots apart though. So it's not far. It's not far I don't blame if you're considering it, but i'm still going I'm afraid are you going on the other side of this? You going gabe davis? No, i'm sticking marquise brown I just think there's a better better likelihood for volume there. I feel like just the law of averages everything's Gotta shift back over the other way this week. So yeah, give me give me hollywood brown All right, unanimous hollywood brown coal coal asking am i psychotic to bench derrick henry this week I have seguan and mixon I'll start this one out Yeah, you should probably start derrick henry. You should probably start derrick henry for where you drafted him I would be starting all three of these guys again. What do you think? joey said yes Yeah, and seguan's my number one running back this week. I am 100 all-in on seguan barkley this week Love the matchup. What about you alfredo? What do you think here? I'm 100 with you jl You got to find a way to start all three of these guys this week I mean the fact that you have all three of these guys means these were probably draft three draft picks, right? So it's like I doubt you have someone in the flex better than any of them. So yeah start all three Yeah And one final one before we get into our game again, justin asking juju plays tonight I need to start two wide receivers Michael pitman jr juju smith schuster alan robinson chris alave uh There's no question here. Oh, yes pick two pick two. So which two of these guys are you starting tonight? Jay, what do you think? so I would All things equal. I would say pitman. It's something would be the guys but pitman missed practice today So similar to what um alfredo you said earlier about you know having the points with jaryl everett on thursday night I would go with juju that way you know You've got a starter as long as he plays and then if pitman plays this sunday go with him If not then Sutton that way, you know It's not a situation you don't start juju and then pitman doesn't play then you're stuck picking from chris alave um Other was so chris alave was the last one. I saw that last name But I would throw in juju and then pitman if he plays if not for one Sutton What do you think alfredo which two are you picking here? Yeah, I think there's it's just going to be about how you play it But it's got to be you play juju tonight And you basically have Sutton ready to go in that flex spot or something where you can kind of Wait to see how Michael pitman turns out and if you could throw Michael pitman into the starting lineup You do it, uh, but yeah, I would I would play juju tonight just for the surefire starter in a good game I'm not touching allen robinson or chris alave compared to these other other players Joe you got something else? Oh, yeah No So I feel better about a rob than I do juju this week. Um, I think last week was a complete anomaly I think a rob is going to show up this week, but I would play pitman Sutton ahead of him But you have the safety if pitman doesn't play to put in a rob now I'm the only one saying that but I really do believe in a rob this season and this week Yeah, I think I would go pitman and Sutton and um, and if pitman we get some more news on pitman before his game Then I would sub in robinson That's how I would play this All right, jay. I'll hand it back to you for more jeopardy Well, it's your turn to pick the category. Where are we going? Yeah, let's go with the pictures worth a thousand words for 400 So When I open this up There will be some pictures and you have to figure out which player it is you will have exactly five ish seconds Ready exactly five ish. Okay, right exactly five ish jaymond swinston So the two words to two pictures together. So the first picture and then the second picture Uh hamlet w. I don't know. I'm so excited I have no idea on top. Yeah. All right, alfredo. I'll let you this account. But what do you think it is? It's romeo dubs Or dobs Appropriately pronounced dobs. Nobs. Yeah, romeo and then throwing up the dub Nice. There you go. I feel really smart right now. That doesn't happen very often Joey where you headed? Oh Oh, so I love the fandal sports books. I'll be taking that for 300, please the fandals spoke for 300 Who is the favorite to be an anytime touchdown sore tonight? um Does that include quarterbacks? You can't tell me that Oh, so it's just no it does not it's position players. Who's who is the favorite to catch or rush a touchdown? Uh, I'll go with let's either kelsey or eckler. Uh, I'll go Eckler It's actually travis kelsey by just a hair almost my friend I was so alfredo that was razor choice again That was razor thin. That's why I thought it was a good question. Uh, I'm gonna get away from batman and I'm gonna go fandals get away from book Let's go fandals sportsbook for 400 Fandals for 400 Within 15 yards. What is the over under number that's being used for mike williams receiving yardage? Basically, what's the number that you have to decide over or under on? Um, pretty sure I saw this earlier tonight. So let's go with 65 65 That is within 15 69 nice point five is the number. You should have known you to pick that you So I've been said hamlet w dynasty wide receiver one Hamlet w is pretty close pretty close that is that is uh jl where excuse me alfredo where's jl gonna hit? Um, let's send jl back to a picture is worth a thousand words. I did so well last time Let's go, uh So is this always a player j. Yes, it's always a player Okay, an active NFL player I'll go for I'll go for 300 Sheeran almond run Sheeran run sheeran Run. Oh wait is chase chase sheeran mounds Oh, I got it. I got it. I got it I don't know I give you the longest five seconds in my life I'm trying to be nice. Okay. Yes Chase claypool. I don't know Chase ed mounds chase edmonds Joey, did you have it? I should ask you. I did. I did Well done. Dame got it in the chat jl There you go All hail dame overlord. Sorry. Happy overlord. It's it's lull Joey, where we going? I gotta make a comeback. So, um I've done this before. I'll see if I can do it again. I want to find the movie question. Oh, but it's I don't want that uh week one with three for 300 To the following quarterbacks through for over 300 yards of week one. It was joe flacco Oh Oddly enough, it was joe flacco. He also threw 300 times. Yeah, right. Yeah One yard per attempt not too shabby And we're now tied with jl for a second Whoa, we sent out freedom Oh boy, I'm gonna send off Oh, no, I get to send you somewhere because I got it right. I know this is new to you because I've gotten everything wrong today, but Sometimes I do get them right. Um I'm gonna send you to Uh pictures worth a thousand words You fell right into my trap right into my trap Let's go pictures worth a thousand words for 200 Oh Traylance. Oh my god. That's the easiest one ever 200 that's why you buffoon easiest one 100 is the easiest one Alfredo, we're we seven jl all right, let's Just because I really want to know what else is in this category. Let's send jl to a pictures worth a thousand words Let's see how easy we 100 is Watch it be extremely difficult CD lamb the goat That's a compact disc That's a compact disc compact disc goat Jl where you sending joey? Pictures worth a thousand words joe. I like to lay them Yeah, give it to me for 500 and i'm gonna get this right Please oh my Okay, oh nick chubb Wow, nick chubb is well done joey well done All right joey, we're sending alfredo. Is it unfair because that's a picture of my belly. So I knew it was chubby um, I'm gonna send alfredo To said that batman All right, so we'll do one more round and we'll hit two more questions in the chat of uh, alfredo 400 or 100 Let's get nuts. Let's go for 400 Let's go nuts By the time I get done with you you'll understand what fear is all about So jalen ramsey deon sanders scarecrow or bane Man that really on the surface it really appears like something that one of the villains would say But everything in my gut is telling me that deon sanders said this because that just sounds like a very deon sanders type of quote Oh man, I am Yeah, let's go. Let's go deon sanders Deon sanders final answer Sure You sure you sure? Yeah. Yeah, I'm sure It means right I thought you had it again alfredo. I swear you can say anything and I will 100 percent believe you I I keep thinking that it's regular people not these batman villains, but of course, and it won't be the point of the whole category Geez alfredo get it together Jail jail where you headed Where am I headed? That is a good question. I honestly didn't think that there would be questions I guess I'll go with uh with grab bag for for 300 400 grab bag 300 400 Name a matchbox 20 song I was hoping you would get this one. I was hoping Oh my god, uh, I don't know I don't know, uh I wish I would have got no Oh, man I to to be clear. I ran this one by simon and he approved it So if you don't like it, you can blame simon.  I don't that doesn't prove anything to me. That that's fair Let's go with uh Let's go with love The famous matchbox 20 song love No, I named some of their most famous ones pushed you name all of their songs though because no There's plenty more I would have said pushed out of it my They do have a lot of songs that are just one word. So you were you were on the right track Yeah, I mean that was a great guess for not having any idea You could just said any word and you might have you had a really good shot at hitting it Hey, there's a modern love for matchbox 20 Yeah, the two were the modern part so that is two words and you said one word so Fair enough fair enough You should have gone with untitled because it like almost every artist has a song called untitled That is true. I will not be surprised if they have one. I don't think so or or self titled matchbox 20 by matchbox 20 All right, um, I get to pick my own category because jail got that wrong. Um I'm gonna Thursday night football Thursday night, uh, fandal sports book for 200 and dj under for patchers The over under for patch marhomes touchdowns thrown is 2.5 are the following odds correct So basically tell me if these ones are actually what is on the fandal sports book right now or if I flip flop them Under two and a half minus 135 over two and a half plus 108 You flip flop them Final answer Final answer I did not those are actually the odds I was very surprised about that as well that fandal sports book apparently Thinks it's more likely that he throws two or less versus three or more Great $200. I guess maybe maybe that is uh It's 50 50. That's a pretty good I should have I should have gone to the fandal sports book today Should we have some questions built up? No questions. If you got fancy questions, throw them in the chat Let's go ahead and go back to alfredo back to you my friend. You get to pick where you head All right, let's go to Teneff fandal sports book Teneff fandal sports book 100 or 500 Let's go 500 500 This is a good one. I decided according to fandal sports book. What is the spread on tonight's game? And to be fair, this is a tough question. I will give you a slight hint There is a half point.  I don't like this. Let's go two and a half Final answer Final answer It was actually four and a half Sheesh figured it was close enough game that you knew be somewhere around the three range I was gonna say three and a half and then I just got a little too cocky. That's okay Um And dj said that he did have broken in there Um, but that oh, I just I just I just see a question You know me. No, I don't I don't know anything about adp Unfortunately, if craig if craig is in the chat craig reach out to him. Go check out roto. He's craig He's the idp guru. He's got trust most when it comes to idp go hit him up asking me your question Idp craig. Excuse me. Um, roto. He craig on twitter All right. All right. All right. All right And who's next that question? jail, I think it's your turn afredo guests, but yeah, I got I got something wrong wrong And mr. Scavers says jail did say love in the modern time. That's true. That's true And carlo saying just do it in I can't help but think that afredo would give jimmy g a run for best looking dude in the nfl industry Bax wow Do you ever get tired of hearing how handsome you are? Not even a little bit. No That is the correct answer. Not even a little bit The mr. Scavers for the niche of questions and a lover handles He's my dynasty lover handles That's that's a team name is on Santa love handles jail where you headed Um, and just to keep diverting you every time you ask me that Carlos If you insist I have pitman dmp today mike williams juju smith schuster hollywood brown and jahan dottson Should I start both mike williams and juju tonight and then flex pitman based on only based on if he plays What do you think afredo? Huh, I Man, I kind of like that one because then if if pitman doesn't play you can always just throw in Hollywood Hmm I don't know. I have hollywood and juju really close actually mike will is for sure dottson is out I think I like this strategy that he has going on here with mike will juju and pit So we have mark. Yeah mark. He's brown playing 425 on sunday Pitman's playing at one on sunday. So I think that strategy will work out pretty well Obviously juju's playing tonight against the chargers and who's the last one dottson is playing Against detroit lions at one o'clock on sunday Yeah, I think your strategy. I think your strategy pans out here. What do you think joey? Yeah, I was just looking at my rankings. I would do what you are Saying here because I do like hollywood a lot Enough to where I think it's worth the risk Yeah Yep Fantasy question jail name a mariah carry song Uh, what's that christmas song? Oh How do you not know? And then maria said I love that it tagged me in mariah. That is pretty funny All right I get to pick i'm going I'm going week one fun for 400 week one fun for 400 Put these players in order of week one fantasy points most the least PPR scoring format tasam hill johan dottson debo samuel It was Hmm. All right. I know debo's last and it's just johan dottson tasam hill johan dottson had four targets two touchdowns Just like 14 points tasam hill had like four runs Did he score? I think he did.  Yeah You sure? Mm-hmm It was johan dottson 18 points tasam hill 15.3 debo samuel with 12.6 I was yeah, yep. Sorry about that. You should have uh went with your boy johan dottson who I will give you credit for you You were a lot higher on than most uh going into this season. I gotta give you some credit there I definitely heard you talk about him more than others alfredo. What do you think of johan dottson? long term for this season Well, I mean, I I really like his talent my whole worry with him was never his talent It was how much of the football is actually going to go around Or are we going to see this same karsten wenz doing like this? I would he throw four touchdowns in week one Like how often are we really going to see him do that and not turn the ball over a bunch? So, uh, I mean when he johan dottson's really good and when wenz is good He's good, but you're going to run through these hot and cold streaks And I just personally don't want to have a wide receiver that's tied to karsten wenz for the season. So Man, it's tough for me to love johan dottson for for this season, but long-term and like dynasty stuff. I I think he's a fantastic player I think that's fair. I think that's fair johan dot honestly I was a little bit surprised by how karsten wenz looked this this weekend. He looked much better. Um, yeah Much much improved. I'm hoping that we're able to see him put together a More than more than one fantasy Relevant asset this year. I think he can I think you can I think that we've been a little bit hard on karsten wenz. Um, I don't think this washington team is amazing I don't think karsten wenz is amazing But I think he's good enough to really make things happen and johan dottson is just that high upside that exciting rookie guy Um, I think it's going to be him and terry mcclorn as the main two guys in this in this offense But I think we're going to of course see kurtis samuel the three of them mixed around and it's it's going to be tough Jail the big thing here is I think that scott turner their offensive coordinator is just he's super creative He's been like he made teddy bridge water look good taylor hynicky look good and I feel like everyone's just been screaming this but wenz is better than them and so like here he is Like he's he's now into action and they looked they looked pretty sharp in week one Which is not what a lot of people were expecting. Yeah, and it was against the jaguar So we should you know take that into account, but you're you're absolutely right Absolutely. Well joey back to you. You can take your cat. Where are we headed? Um, ooh, there's not a lot of points left on the board. Um, I'm gonna go Week one fun for 200 Week one fun for 200 who had more points this week ppr oj howard Or santa love handles um I know oj howard had two touchdowns, but that's all he had and nick chubb had a He had over 120 rushing yards. Did he have a touchdown?   Oh my god. Oh nice 17.8 ppr points the nick jubs 15.3 and yeah, nick jubb had I think it was like 60-something rushing yards. Yeah, there's a lot of rushing no catch the power of the receptions Exactly the no receptions no touchdowns. I love nick jubb, but that's what you have to be worried about with him Yeah oj howard though Oh, I think pretty crazy. What uh, how many was that 100? That was a 200 point question. That's no lie Thank you Alfredo or where are you sending alfredo joey? Oh, um Batman i'll send you to your own category. Who said that batman? Who said that batman? I love me some me was a cat woman or terrell owens Finally get to get one of these right or at least I think and this time it is actually nfo player terrell owens It's actually cat woman now There we go, I would have gone and burned all my batman paraphernalia I love I love me some michelle pfeiffer and she was cat woman Jl, do you know who michelle pfeiffer is sorry fandal? I do know who michelle pfeiffer is Before you know, maybe because she was in hairspray and jail lives in baltimore. That's true I will say I finally got to watch the batman all the way to canton Fantastic absolutely fantastic. Maybe joey. I know you're not a big uh big superhero movie fan This is where we deviate. I love batman. Of course every incarnation of batman. I have really really enjoyed Maybe not the Well, I was about to Joel schumacher, no, I I don't need him. You didn't like the bat nipples. Am I allowed to say nipples on fandals? Batman the Batman anime series is my favorite bat type of batman Um as I think we've I've been on record saying kevin conroy is my favorite batman Which is a little controversial to say but I do believe it. No, I don't I think it's definitely in there for the conversation Alfredo, where are we gonna send jl? We're running out of uh questions to ask. We'll run through these pretty quick Oh boy jl, where would you like me to send you? Anyway, I'm just happy to be here. Is that a trick or is he trying to be nice? I'm just happy playing with you, buddy jl. Don't you know why you're not happy to be here? I don't know. We're gonna go. We're gonna go strategy and I'm gonna keep jl at the bottom Let's go Fandals sportsbook. Let's go. I love the fandals sports. So let's take a take a trip According to fandals sportsbook. Who is the favorite to win tonight's game? We've already told us What Now Right Can you remember something from 30 seconds ago? It's a $100 question. They're supposed to be easy Oh, I love it. I'll take the hundred. Give me the hundred We got two questions in here before we go on to answer the question. Yeah, I was like you still didn't answer I said the chiefs. Okay. I didn't hear it. Yeah, I said chiefs So some questions Uh, we got a question. Carlos asking if camara doesn't play camara mara. I don't remember I heard it both ways So if camara, camara doesn't play Should I start edmunds or travis etn waiting back for the jackson bill jack wires over him this week? What do you think alfredo? Um, you know what? I think that we are in store for some better things from travis etn this week I think that the usage was there at least from a receiving standpoint And I mean he was too just like bonehead plays away from actually scoring two touchdowns or at least being closer to that So I think Honestly, both of these are actually good options over camara if he's hurt because edmunds is getting a plenty of Of receptions out of the backfield for miami and the pace of play should go up a lot against baltimore It's really slow against new england Um, yeah, I would be actually fine with either of these guys if I had to pick one Might be a little controversial, but I'm still going to stick with etn at the top there Not controversial here. It's a safe. This is a safe etn. So be self-reliant. Oh, thank you. Thank you fandall What do you think joey you taking uh, which of these three guys are you starting are you worried at all about camara? um I mean, I'm a little worried about camara, but if I had to start between one of these two I might lean edmunds a little bit Um It's it's not because I don't love etn I am just worried they're not going to give him the work he deserves He averaged almost 12 yards of carry last week like I mean The guy's incredible. Just please put the ball in his hand. Now. I know he fumbled at the goal line, but Yeah, it's edmunds for me just because I'm worried what doug peterson's going to do with them um, but as far as like If camara doesn't play because of injury. Yeah, I'm concerned about him, but if he's healthy I'm actually not that concerned about him this year.  So I don't know I'm not that worried about camara for the season though Sorry, alfredo.  What were you gonna say? You remember no, I was gonna say like there's really an argument to be made for either of these guys Which is kind of why like I wanted to lay that out. I just etn, I just think that that usage can only go up for him this week. I hope it does. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, I hope so too. I'm fine starting etn. Um, I'm also not too worried about camara Starting him. Otherwise, I would start etn as well. I'm with alfredo Yeah, I'm with you there. I'm still going camara, camara, camara, either one, but if not etn Jay, start us off with this one. Stephen johnson's asking tyler boyd or tyler locket battle of the tylots tylots I'll be right back. I gotta go use the tylots The tylots So if he if t higgins is out, I would go with boyd. If he is not, I'm still gonna go with tyler walk I'll get alfredo. You agree with them or you go and lock it? Yeah, I think this is all contingent on t higgins here. If higgins is out, you go boyd. If higgins is playing It's locket. I think we saw that the seahawks wide receivers while not as dynamic They're still pretty good with geno smith in there. They're getting the job done Yeah, I mean it's it's we still saw like dk metcalf was I believe like wide receiver five or six in the games that geno smith started last year So I like there's it's still very reasonable avenue for these guys to be productive and locket Just he has that ability that even if it's a two or three catch game one of those catches could have been for 50 60 yards So, um, you know, it's gonna all depend for me on whether or not t higgins is playing And so that that should be kind of the key here. Yeah, that's a great point I mean for me though, I am 100 starting tyler this week that I mean, that's just the way bold Bold start what they said is absolutely my my line of thinking.  No, that's my only said start devon single terry or kurtis samuel over nazi hairs Curtis samuel say what he said kurtie sammy over not a reading harry in half ppr The injury the offense harry. Yeah, mr. Scamper's has got concerns for the nudge master What do you guys think?  Eight ish points at best maybe double digits if he scores a touchdown Curtis samuel, you know, it's he could definitely have that high high like he had last week But wide receivers are a lot more volatile. So Give me nazi hairs the guy who's pretty much the only one in the pittsburgh backfield as long He's expected to play a full complement of snaps What do you think alfredo? Yeah, one of one of my policies here is don't go chasing points kind of like, you know Don't go chasing waterfalls. You know, yeah, either way. It's fine. But like Curtis samuel He's the third wide receiver essentially on this team It depends where you even put antonio gibson in that that order of rank And it's just Curtis samuel oj howard all these guys that had these touchdowns. It's it's fluky It doesn't always happen like that. If nazi hairs is healthy Let's make it really simple you play him if he's active you play him Like there's nothing don't overthink it if nazi's active you play him That's it. Well, so I just really want to see that little cat using the phone to try to set the lineup It's yeah, I imagine it's adorable It's very good at it too. Simon asked if I have salsa all over my fingers. Can you pass a moist tylett? Jay you got one. Uh, no, I used all my moist tylett's when I went to the bathroom earlier And a quick reminder if if you have uh questions you have not asked yet We're gonna be live in Six ish right after this show on our own channel front yard fantasy Head on in there for office hours. We'll be answering all your fantasy questions leading up to the thursday night football game Jay, who's next? I didn't see it. Click that good. I didn't see I was uh, I've realized mid show that I didn't have a final jeopardy question So I just added it. So there we go. All right Yep, I need to delete it and go with another one out anybody. Uh, Who is the last one to answer question? I honestly if you don't remember, um, jl Thank you. Did you get it right? I got it right I got it right because it was the chiefs. It was the chiefs because I had been told it Seconds prior did he get his hundred points? Yes, he did get his hundred and now he gets to pick where I go. Joey to grab back What are we doing Joey? Um 200 Why do you sound so depressed when you I feel like it's going to be a marvel movie question. I'm not going to know the answer What NFL players named after this rick and morty character? That's Freddie I I don't I I kind of watch rick and morty. Um, no Oh, no, then I'm sorry, joey Wait, wait, wait, wait. Let me think let me think don't hurt yourself I can't remember this character's name It's knife nice Yeah, he's saying what you're seeing Knife, hat, sweater, hat, knives, green sweater It's hat not even sweater, man. I'm not gonna get this It's fine The question is what NFL player is nicknamed after him. So shot in the park Well, he looks like he's not that important of a character and like he could just throw him off to the way So it's probably Lovisco chanel is my guess I'm just I'm just mean I'm just mean because I'm not getting questions, right That is scary terry from rick and morty So that's where scary terry originally from I remember I said I didn't like you joey. Yeah I just like you even more now Alfredo where we headed we got four one more round and then we will go to final jeopardy Let's go to week one fun for 500 Hey Guys, there's not a lot of choices. It's not that bold It's which of the following players did not have 20 or more fantasy points in week one Gabe davis devon duverny robbie anderson or jerry judy Wow, don't like this All right I feel like I feel like devon duverny definitely had That did not have 20 or more fantasy points. Okay, so duverny definitely went over I'm fairly certain Gabe davis went over jerry judy was really close. I think he was good though I don't oh for me. It's down to judy or robbie anderson I think that robbie anderson scored on a long play, but I don't know that he had over 20 fantasy points Oh man I'm gonna go robbie anderson did not have 20 or more fantasy points Final answer Sure, why not? it's actually abriel arthur davis Dairy judy was just over robbie anderson and david duverny as well. So yeah, I was surprised. I was wrong I thought it was a good $500 question jay. Thank you. I appreciate that might as well have been bad man Might as well have been bad man. No, I think that was because obviously everyone's oh gabe davis That's that's good. It's good jay I'll lose my voice jail where you're thinking thing All right, I'm gonna go not just a hat my friends grab bag For 500 let's go. I was I was hoping you would get this question. I am so excited. I can't play it safe I'm so excited Great, which of the following is not a member of the paw patrol Chase sky rocky zuma rex marshal and rubble Okay, you want me to pick rubble. So I'm gonna take that out Zuma sounds like there's no way you would have made that up The sky could be rocky rocky sounds Rocky sounds pretty sketchy. So does chase um All these sounds sketchy because I've never watched the show. I'm gonna go with marshal My answer. Yeah That is a terrible choice. It was actually rex dammel is the fire dog the fire marshal Chase the police dogs guys and air Yeah, I was telling simon earlier today my my son Forced me to sing the paw patrol Theme every morning, which also has all their names in it. So dammit.  Carson went through the second most touchdowns in week one Valancer yeah You are correct. He added your points before I did before I even answered. Yep wrong button Patrick we're home through five. Carson once was the only one two three four touchdown. Wow Okay, I was surprised about that multiple people through three, but I need to watch that video 100 was I was upset joey.  Any guesses is this real or is this fake? Totally real It is 100 real. He made his aew debut last night. This is all cameo though. Yeah, all right It's actually a neat story luigi primo.  I think it was like two grand For a one indie wrestlers could have paid him in pizza jl After we got the show i'ma talk to you all about independent wrestling. It's it's so much better than what's on I hope you have six years. I'm busy All right, we're going into final jeopardy joey leads the way With 1100 fun tokens Alfredo is in second with 900 Jl pulling up the rear with 500 the category for final jeopardy is Fandall sportsbook and It's not tonight. It's year long fandall sportsbook. Okay, so Alfredo just so you know, you can lose the amount that you wager here So basically do you have a pen anywhere close by you or your phone or something? There you go.   I think so Right figure. Uh, yeah wager before the question This is i need to watch youtube video on how to do jeopardy wagering because i never know how to do it right I just go all in every time so Yeah, I feel like there's not a lot of options like you just you you have a number and then you write a number right Maybe there's more strategy Today's game will be paid out in either coles cash grimace coin or fazoli's gift cards the winner's choice That's your grimace coin Everybody ready. Yep. Sure wagers. Yeah, she'll see the wagers I put my wager on a picture of j tim and I and it's 701 dollars 500 701 900 that is what i'm talking about alfredo. So I I I bid right I bid 701 so that I would be alfredo by a dollar if I we both get it right. I think I did that right. You did do that right You are correct The question is that's rude Which player is tied with george pickens for offensive rookie of the year after week one? Is it johan dottson drake london brice hall or chris olave? Which player is tied with george pickens for offensive rookie of the year after week one? Dotson london hall and olave I have my answer Oh I like the confidence there Me i'm not i'm not confident at all. No, not you alfredo. No, well, oh, it means absolutely nothing After I was confident I threw my marker. I realized wait that might not be it, but you know It's permanent marker. Yeah, I've gone too far Everybody have their answers? Yep. Yep All right, let's see them Oh, thank london drake london. It's hall. Mine's hall. I don't know why you change it No, I didn't that was a picture of a guy in a mustache I put a beard on j but Oh man That was my second guess brice hall I got nervous after I threw my sharpie. I just well I feel like the injury messed up brice hall joey. It is not brice hall It is not drake london. It is actually On dotson so everybody got it wrong So I'm trying to add there we go dotson and pickens after week one are both plus 800 Drake london is plus 1000 because a lot is plus 1200. What did you bid j? Oh I bet all mine 500. Okay, so joey you win By default because you did not what a letdown. Yeah, we should have done a dollar You should have done a dollar Shucks Yep, joey. So you take home the crown even though all you guys got that wrong I just I just pick and stay so high and the john dotson just shoots up I was I was surprised about that to be honest with you, especially the way that I'm upset. I'm gonna write a letter Yeah Oh, man. Thank you so much for joining us alfredo. That was a ton of fun Well done on your win joey Well, you know, it happens and and I'm not surprised. It's It happens No, it's this is fun. I love this And thank you everybody for joining us If you haven't already make sure you're following alfredo at the pretend gm right there under his gorgeous face as we said before and If you're not already make sure you're following fan duel on twitch follow fan duel on facebook Subscribe to them on youtube everywhere that you find stuff fan duel is probably there So make sure you follow them great content creators great time. We'll be back on Sunday doing our sunday night recap And if you have more fantasy questions before the game tonight, we are doing fantasy football office hours on our channel simon j Or sorry, not j simon joey And dave kluge are are about to hop on a little bit after six right after the show to answer any and all of your your questions Leading up to thursday night football that is all for us We will see you again soon. Goodbye Bye everybody. Bye You


petition for a charter to the city to change its charter. The change could allow a new city council to adopt a just cause eviction law. Residents can vote on this item on the town meeting day election on March 7th, 2023. Read the charter change language, which you may tell along with there are printouts along the info sheets on the chairs in the chambers. So this change asks, shall the charter of the city of Winnussey acts of 2015 number M9 as amended be further amended to give the city council the power to provide by ordinance protections for residential tenants from evictions without just cause by adopting and adding a new subsection to read as follows. To provide by ordinance protections for residential tenants, as defined in chapter 137 of title line of the Vermont statute's annotated from eviction without just cause, where just cause shall include but is not limited to a tenant's material breach of a written rental agreement, a tenant's violation of state statutes, regulating tenant obligations and residential rental agreements, nonpayment of rent and attendance failure to accept written reasonable good faith removal terms. Such ordinance shall exclude from just cause the exploration of the rental agreement as sole grounds for termination of tenancy. In addition to the exemptions in chapter 137 of title nine, the ordinance shall exempt from misprovision, subject to mitigation provisions, sublets and in-unit rentals, as well as the following properties but not limited to, owner occupied due flexes and triplexes, those being withdrawn from the rental market, including properties to be occupied by the owner or immediate family member as a primary residence, and those in need of substantial renovations which preclude occupancy. Such ordinance shall include provisions that mitigate potential negative impacts on tenants and property owners, including but not limited to the requirements of adequate notice and reasonable relocation expenses, provide for reasonable probationary period after initial occupancy and limit unreasonable rent increases to prevent de facto evictions or non-renewals, although this shall not be considered to limit rents beyond the purpose of preventing individual evictions. The ordinance shall define what is reasonable and adequate notice in defining just cause, and shall require that landlords provide notice of just cause and other real requirements as part of the rental agreement. So at this time, I would like to open the pub up here. This is the time for folks to make question, I'm sorry, make comments, ask questions. We have a staff and council here ready to respond as we can. I'm gonna start with folks who are in the room. If you could please come to the table at the front of the microphone, state your name and tell the residents, and then you may make a comment or ask a question.  Here? Yes, please. Yeah, thank you. Hello, my name is Samuel Kernan, and I live on Mallets Bay Ave. I have not been evicted, thankfully, but I have been a renter for many of the last 10 years, and I absolutely know that when you're a renter, knowing that you could be evicted or not renewed is something that shapes how you engage with your landlord and with your housing. So for instance, one place I was living had some plumbing issues that stemmed from a little bit of a shoddy flip job that the house had been under, and so the plumber had to come sometimes, and there was a pushback and forth between us and our landlord about, is this because we're not falsely and totally correctly, or is this because you have a pre-existing condition in your house that you bought that's your job to fix? And it was definitely in our minds when we were going through that process of deciding under the lease, whose responsibility are these repairs that if you push too hard, the landlord can decide, it's not worth my trouble anymore, and I'm just not gonna choose to rent to you next year. I think that that shouldn't be in people's minds when they're advocating for themselves to have a stable, comfortable place to live, because as we know here in Winooski, which is a renter majority city, tenants, renters, they have homes to not just people who own them, and yeah, they deserve the same knowledge that someone with a mortgage does that as long as they abide by what they've said they'll do, pay their rent, uphold their lease, that they'll get to stay. And when I've been reading things about what people don't like about Just Cause eviction, I've seen some people say that it goes too far, it will make it impossible to profitably build or manage housing, and then I've seen some other people say, well, it barely does anything, and it's not worth our trouble to fight to put it in place. I think it's neither of those things. I think it's not a solution to Vermont's entire housing crisis. However, it is one important fundamental right that homeowners pretty much all already enjoy and that we should extend to the tenants of our community as well. Thank you. Thank you. You do. Hi, Brian Sweeney, I live in Winooski, and I'm a landlord in Winooski, was also a renter for a very long time. So yeah, I just wanted to speak up a little bit. I'm a really strong believer in doing what we can to provide safe, affordable housing, especially in Winooski. I'm a small landlord, I have one building with two units, and I try really hard to maintain that property as affordably as possible, and as comfortably as possible for the people that live there. I have a three bedroom and a two bedroom, and they're well under market, and I really, I don't look at this venture for myself as a real business opportunity. I look at it as a way to provide housing, and someday when they sell that building, I'm sure I'll make money, especially these days. But I do things to try to, a couple of things I try to do with my property is one, stay out of the way of my tenants. I did live there and rent one of the units while I lived in one for quite a few years, and I really think there's this issue with landlords too, kind of trying to be too involved in people's business in their property when I really look at it as like that's their home, and I'm here to support them when some of the breaks or they need something, but not to be too involved. And I concern that just cause eviction will almost force me to be more in their business. You know, like I really look at like an end of a lease term as an opportunity, a couple of different opportunities, right? It's an opportunity to encourage a tenant to stay by resigning a lease or doing month to month. It's also an opportunity when it's not a good fit to move on. And I think there's times when you can go through a formal process of eviction, which is honestly daunting, confusing, expensive. I've never done it, but I've heard horror stories from friends and relatives that have had to evict people before. A lot of times what's easier is to wait. It might be a little bit of a, maybe not dispute, but you know, the two tenants don't get along that well. Somebody parties a little more than the other tenants want, right? You can either start a formal eviction process or you could wait two months, right? Like, and usually if I'm talking to my tenants, I've had these situations before. And I say, I can start, you know, really documenting this and moving forward with eviction. They say, no, we're fine, let's just wait it out. Like, let this person know you're not gonna renew their lease, give them the time to go find a place and, you know, help them on their way. You know, I think what this is gonna do for some landlords is force them to almost immediately start evicting everybody, right? Like it's keeping a tally. It's going through all the like motions that you need to do to file an actual eviction when, you know, if someone's gonna be 10 days late on rent one month, I'm not gonna make a big deal of that. You know, like those things happen. But if I need to start to like build a case just in case, that's what I'm really worried about is having to be too involved in everyone's business like that. You know, some questions I have are, you know, are we solving an issue that's real or are we just creating issues to solve? You know, I don't know if there are a significant volume of complaints around this in Winooski. It's not something that I've heard, but I also don't hear everything. But I'd love to know like, you know, if there is a basis in this for our community, you know, we do have a really high percentage of renters. And, you know, I truly believe in the protections that we are trying to put with them. I'm a supporter of the rental registry. I don't always like paying the bill for it. And I hope, I've got a microphone, so might as well say it. I hope that you can, you know, encourage more communication to landlords on things like this and other things happening in the city so that they're, you know, one, aware of programs available to the tenants, two, aware of changes that impact them or their tenants. You know, we pay into the system, so hopefully to get an email is not too much to ask. And I did get the one about this. Thanks, Paul. And thanks to everyone that set that up. Easy low-cost stuff to provide value to both the renters and landlords. But yeah, so that was just one thing there was the question on, you know, is this an issue? The other thing is that I just don't know, and hopefully you can answer for me, is timeline for the charter changes. I feel like there was something that happened with timeline for warnings and things like that. Are we good or are there issues with timelines? I would hope that we're not forcing anything through that doesn't meet the kind of schedule for these type of changes to happen.   We're like, I don't really look at like letting someone out of, you know, moving someone along or whatever when a lease is done. It's, I mean, it's a set amount of time. There's vehicles for like extending that or shortening it, right? But like, there are certain times when it's just not a good fit, but maybe it's not an evictable offense. You know, I think about like, maybe things related to, you know, free speech people's right to kind of like hang whatever they may want in their apartment. Like I also think like if, I mean, extreme, right?  Can I evict somebody for that? Probably not. I wouldn't think because it's, they're right to have whatever they want on there. But like there's certain things that like, just scare me like that.  And the last couple things, you know, that concern me in here, you know, in section C it mentions reasonable relocation expenses. I don't know what that means. I don't know why there would have to be relocation expenses for anybody.   And then to add these other like provisions in here, which like, they're not just gonna come from nowhere. Like, you know, that's the scary part. You know, limit unreasonable rent increases. I don't know what that is. I charged $1400 for a three bedroom apartment with two off-street parking spots, washer and dryer, dishwasher. It's like clean, affordable. There's a yard, a lot of pets. An unreasonable increase would bring me to below market value still. So do I need to like raise rent before this happens to stay ahead of this so that I can get moderate increases when I have tenants in there. They've been in there for three years and I haven't raised the rent a dollar. You know, like these are the things that I'm really scared about that I just, I don't wanna like, I don't wanna have to like, increase cost because of the risk associated with this. That's my biggest fear. And there's also times when you think like, yeah, for like the larger kind of like slum lords, let's be honest, like there should be some more controls implemented in some way. I don't know what it is, but I don't think it's this. So I'd be really interested to know if there are other like reasonable steps that can be made to like help protect tenants and maintain affordability and not put, you know, all the risk on somebody that's just trying to, you know, provide something and get by. That's it, thank you. Thank you. We do have a couple more people. Okay, there's a couple of questions there to address. Elaine, would you be able to speak to the timeline question? Yes, I'm an apology for not being there and we're putting air here and we expect myself to be there, but I'm sick, so we want to get in on all six. Also why I'm not on camera. So the timeline is okay, the state statutes having here from the error that we've made, which is that I need to advise council to warn their first hearing when enough. There needs to be 30 days between the warning and the holding of a first hearing. This is the hearing, it's within 30 days. So it's a minor procedural issue, so the statute provides a cure for that if the city holds a validation vote at a later time. But if you look at that handout at the very bottom from the front, we're at the colored boxes, at the very bottom that says the validation vote would need to be held later. It says could because if it, you know, the legislature might do something with this before we gave and then it might make it loose, but that's the point of that. Assuming that we were in a bad mood, we would vote and then whatever the vote was, we gave it that kind of validation vote. There's no timeline for the planning that needs to be held just in a later time. So that will be a decision by council to fund it in a small sense. Does that answer the question? Yeah, thank you and I explained that very nicely there on the table. Thank you. There were two other questions raised there. One, is this an issue we need to solve? Is there, I interpret that as, is there a significant amount of like no cause eviction happening? We don't have access to any specific data on evictions and we definitely don't have access to non-renewables data. So we really can't answer that. The question about reasonable re-unification expenses or unreasonable rent increases, this is a resident petition that has been brought to us. It's not something we've spent time on. This charter change were approved by voters with being moved to the state legislature for them to actually approve. It's up to them to approve changes to our charter. I would anticipate that those terms would be under discussion in the work of the legislature that they could put some definitions to that. Did they not, and it comes to us and that's still unclear. Then again, that is something that we would have to sort out as to what that means. We have someone else in the room. We do. Yes. Hi. Hi. So if you just say your name and what town you're from. Yeah, my name is David Weisberger. I live here in Wynuski. My wife and I have a small detached cottage in our backyard that we fixed up in 2018 and we rent it out. So one bedroom. And I'm sorry that I missed some of the earlier speaker. I don't want to repeat what he said, but I do have some concerns about tenants not being a good fit. Our first tenant sort of we really felt uncomfortable around him. We felt uncomfortable with the way he interacted with our children. We're fairly sure he was smoking, which would have been a violation of the lease, but we didn't have a way to prove it. I don't even know how you prove that, right?  So we did wait to the end of the lease and ask him to leave. And we would have had to try and evict him probably otherwise. So I'm concerned. And the reason I'm concerned, I'm not sure how I feel about this for large apartment buildings, but I'm concerned that the language as written would apply to us because it's not an owner occupied duplex. So if you do move ahead with this, I'd urge you to consider adding accessory dwelling units or detached cottages to the exemptions. And I guess my one question that I would have would be, the language being forwarded to the legislature seems very specific. And I wonder, I don't quite understand, is that the only thing you would then have the power to enact? You know, what is left to you? I mean, you guys can modify that, I guess, right? And then send it on to the legislature or do you have to only send on what is proposed? So the mayor can respond to that. Yeah, we have to send in what's proposed. This is the language that's gonna be presented to voters. And so we have to send that along, whatever voters approve. The legislature, however, can adjust the language as much or as little as they see fit. They have completely waited you that. And you can't adjust what's going to the voters either because it didn't come from you. So there's no possibility for any amendment to this, basically, is what I'm hearing. It's either this is what's gonna happen or it's not gonna happen. So like, if I ask you to put my R-type of apartment in there as an exemption, there's no way to do that without sending a new charter change to the legislature. We can't adjust the language. The course of action would be if this reaches the legislature, to then be a part of their process, provide testimony there concerning suggestions for them to make changes to the language. It seemed really like, I don't understand there's different jurisdictions, but it really seems like circumventing the city council here who should have the option to define these things to me. I don't think my voice is gonna be heard as much there as it will be here. I think that's all I have to say. Thank you. Thank you. Can I ask a follow-up question, David? Yes, I think that's fine. Yes, can you just come up to the mic? Sorry, it's Brian Sweeney again, Winooski. So if I'm looking at the timeline, if voters vote on the change, yes, state looks at the charter, they approve. Winooski city council votes to move forward or to stop. So even if voters approve this, the state approves it, city council has the ability to stop it at that point still with a city council vote. Procedurally, I believe that's correct. Well, yeah, because the language empowers us to enact this ordinance, it doesn't require that we do. But that's a council decision, right? Like if voters said they want this, do you not do it? Right. I think it would be a part of our charter because it's a charter change, but the ordinance would be what we need to enact it, which... So that's a fair point because we would be able to draft the ordinance. We would have to do that in the attorney to make sure that it works. We have to look into this more. Perhaps other exceptions come through the ordinance, but what is here would be what is in the charter. We could indeed be from... Right. Like if the charter is saying order occupied due flexes and triflexes, I have an exception. I believe we have to retain that exception. I'm wondering if we should add more to the ordinance. Oh, please step in. Right, I mean, that's more or less the case. You know, the funny thing about the charter is that we might bring it a specific, but a lawyer might see other opportunities. So it's very hard to know, sitting here on this edge on the process, what options there are without having to go through the process itself, of what was possible. But it seems like there could still be an avenue of city council rejecting and then deciding what to do next, which could be your own proposal for whatever iteration of protections could be implemented or not. So Brian, the charter, we couldn't deviate from the charter, or the council could deviate from the charter with the ordinance. The charter basically says, tell this council what they have the power to do. If it's final on it, they don't necessarily have the power. It's, I say not necessarily because, again, there could be some going for a legal interpretation. So I should understand that whatever the charter if it passes and the legislature adopts it, that's what their apartment will do. So they can't just dump them all together and come up with something else. It does include, like we're saying, not limited to. So there is some flexibility here, but we really have not been able to explore that with our attorney, right? To know exactly what we can do. Right. So there hasn't really been sufficient time for city staff to look into what's feasible for changes after like a decision is made by the legislature. Gotcha. I guess I'm confused on what you're voting on then after that. If you need to vote, there's a yay vote and a nay vote option. So like what, but so you have the ability, even if it gets through the legislature to reject it at that point. Is that correct? We cannot reject it. This would be in our charter. This is giving us the power to create an ordinance when on what timeline we create an ordinance is what we have decision making on. And so this is saying we have to include exceptions for owner-occupied deep lexes and triplexes, for example, but it's not limited to that. So I think to the previous speakers suggesting about ADU and detached college, I believe we could add that, but I can't commit to any of that because we haven't done the legal review necessary. And I think to Brian, what Brian's gonna add this middle box in the timeline on the sheet is the confusing portion. So am I understanding that that is the city council voting on your proposed ordinance as it relates to the charter change? Yeah. Correct, yeah. It's the yes no on the charter, oh, sorry, could you move? Yes no on whether you create an ordinance now. So it could still be no. At the ordinance stage. Right, so it would be in your charter with no ordinance if that happened. Okay, understood. Sorry, that. It takes a while to get through, sorry. And I'll note too that if we vote to move forward with an ordinance, we will open up for more public input at that time as well. So there are other chances for folks to weigh in. Right, gotcha. Okay, thank you. Yeah. We do have someone else in the room. Would you like to speak? Yeah. Hi, my name is Lulay Sienangelo. I'm a reporter from the Burlington Free Press. I am here to just ask a couple of questions because I have you all here. So I'm wondering if this is passed and if the ordinance is passed, like who would enforce this in Winooski? All right, do you want to take that one? It's unclear at this point. I mean, we haven't had time to figure out what that one, what an ordinance would look like. It's possible, you know, someone suggested that I'll vote for the courts, but there's just going to be other still in the questions. So it's unfair. It's possibly the right ordinance, you know. Yeah, and I read something that you guys considered kind of doing something like this through council but decided not to, was that because of the expense of enforcing it? Or am I wrong on that? So the discussion we had was whether or not to put a just cause eviction charter change on a 10-day day ballot, and we chose not to because we did not have sufficient time to work out these details for this 10-day day. We, it is very open, like we don't know what enforcement looks like. Who would do that? Do you have the staff capacity? So we have not explored those details or had the time to do so yet. Okay, I think I had one more question. I can't think of it right now, but I will let you know if I have it later. Thank you. That's it for everyone in the room, for the time being. Okay, great. Well, you want to bring over our first Zoom hand? And does her in Zoom that he wished to speak? Please just raise your hand and we will work you over. Thank you, Mayor Blanchett, and thank you for being patient. Let's start with Andy, whenever you're ready. Awesome, thank you. This is Andy Blanchett, a resident of Woodusky. Thanks for taking the time to talk about this. I'm glad to see that there's good questions coming up. I just wanted to first kind of mention my own personal experience with this, and then I would also like to just address the questions that are coming up. You know, the first thing I want to explain is that we are in a rental housing crisis in a county. So I do think that there is very much a reason for this. It's telling that, you know, Woodusky is already considering putting this on the ballot. It's known that this is becoming an issue here. The directors have certainly been discussing this for very, very long time. And, you know, this law is, this charter change allows for there to be flexibility in a way that the municipality wants to enact it. And I think that that is a benefit for Woodusky. And just to kind of talk about enforcement, like typically just cause eviction laws are not enforced by the municipality and the enforcement mechanism is going through the courts and the law. And so, you know, this would just make it so you can't just choose no cause when you need to file for eviction. You need to provide a reason. And that seems more than fair for renters like myself. I had to go through being told that there was no chance to renew lease as a voter. And that type of housing changing hands and then people who are currently living in a situation being uprooted is not great for a stable community. And honestly doesn't really allow for people to engage locally in where they live and engage in local politics. It seems like an important first step in being able to make sure that community members that want to be engaged in their community can. And, you know, as for anything regarding the questions about this being circumvented by city council, I just would like to note that, you know, hundreds of residents signed this petition. This didn't just come up by hand, both people decided that they would make this happen. Like this was voiced very loudly by the community as a need and as a desire to vote on. You know, this is, this was just to make sure that people can vote on this. So I think that that's important to keep in mind that community members, residents, registered voters who live here signed the petition to get this on the ballot. And I just think that's worth noting. Thank you. Thanks, Andy. That's a good point. For those who don't know, the difference is 5% of voters should get something on the petition of the ballot this way. So 5%, at least 5% of voters already, you know, in terms of being on this. Let's bring over our next speaker. All right. Looks like we have Megan and Tedder in the re-write. Great, thank you.  Jenny, correct me. It's, it's around 200. We had, we received, it was required 271 votes for those 5% of our registered voters at the time. Did you say 271? Correct. Yes. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I just wanted to drive that in just sometimes because 5% are kinda hard to visualize what that means. I will admit, I do not live in Lewinsky. I live in Colchester, but Lewinsky, I'm right on the border. I feel like Lewinsky is my community. I've been a renter. I ranked in affordable housing. I work in affordable housing. So this whole conversation and this work is really important and something that I spend a lot of time researching. One thing that I just want to call out because it's a very frustrating thing for me is the term not a good fit. We don't want those people living in our building. We have for years used that type of language to overshadow discrimination and yeah, other things that I think are really not appropriate for this space. And I think that the city council should be considering that in these comments that we do not consider discriminatory comments as part of this discussion because things like not a good fit is a very opinionated term and has led to discrimination and racial segregation in our housing for decades now. Even the example of violating freedom of speech, I totally get it because I do, I have my own opinions and leanings and so forth but I don't think that is a justification for impacting someone's rights. Also from affordability standpoint, affordability is a very complex thing. It's not just so one person view. It's not just one thing that's impacting that. It's probably more the fact that we have changed housing from a right to a commodity, a commodity that's money that's passed around to gain wealth. It's a primary driver of generational wealth building. There's no getting around that. Just wanna name those facts. And I do think to get into tenants business, if it's something that's impacting the neighbor's right to peaceful enjoyment of space, that's the responsibility of the landlord in affordable housing. We basically de facto have no cause of addiction. We still are able to evict people. We still have rights as a landlord but it does allow our tenants to feel safe and secure in their housing. I know it's expensive to evict. I know that firsthand it's the numbers and it may be easier to not renew but I don't think that convenience is more important than basic protections for renters from being displaced. And I had experienced this firsthand. I had someone, which is why I'm actually in my affordable housing units because I was displaced during the pandemic through this crazy housing crisis. Someone came in, bought my building and over doubled my rent. There was no way my income and my budget was gonna be able to just take all of that on. And he could do that because there wasn't any protections and that's one of the things that's being discussed in the just cause of addiction is ridiculous increases in rent because that's de facto displacement that's basically evicted someone if they can't afford it. And I think it was a true loss. Like I was engaged in the community that I was a part of, I knew my neighbors. I had connections. I would like watch people stop in the neighborhood, all these different cultural connections and that was all lost when I got displaced. Now it's more of a transient population in there just to have these points before about engaging in the community that that's a real loss. I know as a renter I often feel like it's like I'm not included in the community. Like when I do try to come to the table that I'm not valued, not even close as a homeowner. There's no way. And so I think that's kind of frustrating that this could help people feel like they're actually valued in the community. And then one more. I just want to speak towards one, the context of that. We are just talking about putting this on the ballot. There were all those signatures of people voicing that this is an issue. One thing I want to note is I'm just thinking about or I was just writing down who's at the table at this conversation. I'm a half white young female and we've had now three renters as part of the conversation. Two landlords reporter. I'm just thinking about looking around the room and whose voices are really not part of this conversation. And it's probably the people who would benefit from this. So I would definitely urge the city council to be a little bit more mindful and proactive about engaging the diverse population that represents when you speak. Thanks. Thank you. And this is not our only public hearing and we do have an outreach plan but very good point to be mindful about what we see here today and making sure we close those gaps. We have another Megan, I believe, next. Hi, everybody. Yeah, hi. Thank you. My name's Megan Downey. My pronouns are she, her. I live in Wynuski as a renter. I've lived here seven years in the same building. I am a social worker and I always felt like I had a stable housing situation until two years ago when my landlord decided to sell our building and our new landlord wanted initially to raise our rent by 70%, which would have effectively displaced us and some other tenants in the same building had that occurred. So one of the things I just wanted to speak to is I heard Brian say earlier that he does not rent housing to earn an income but most landlords do. Most of them will tell you explicitly that they do. Mine has told me explicitly that he does and there are absolutely no protections right now for me as a renter to stay in my home of seven years. This is a very baseline first level protection that allows people like me that are engaged in the community, part of this community to stay in our homes and feel safe. Even when the threat of losing my housing started coming up to my lease renewal last year, it was one of the most stressful times in the last two years and I'm in a pretty privileged position where I have people with resources that I could have been okay had that happened, even though I would have been displaced from my home and unlikely from this entire community, I would have had somewhere to go. There are many people that would not and that would risk houselessness. What happened at 300 Main Street with the Bows evictions that were planned was a no-pros eviction. So it also surprises me to hear someone say that they're not sure why that this is a problem because I just have so many friends, neighbors, myself, who have experienced housing insecurity over the last couple years since the pandemic and there's also this very public instance of that that I think we all heard about. So another thing is just as a social worker, many of the other folks that I know who have experienced housing insecurity due to no-pros evictions are other social workers, teachers, nurses, people providing vital services to our community that are significantly undervalued and underpaid and whose wages are not rising with inflation. So right now with no rent caps and no need for a landlord to give a valid reason to evict someone, those services in our community are also at risk. So yeah, I guess that's all I wanna say. I just really wanna encourage folks to support this ballot measure. I think it's essential. It cannot wait. I think we'll have plenty of time to iron out the details that need to be ironed out because it does need to go to the legislature in terms of how it will be enacted, but it is extremely vital to get this protection for renters, which are the majority of people living in Lundaysky as soon as possible. Thank you. Thank you, Nany. I think Liz is next. Are you able to hear me? Yes, welcome. Okay, sorry, I didn't know if I was on mute. I'm not the most tech savvy. My name is Liz Wolfe, I live in Lundaysky. I've lived here, I think since 2006. I own a home here and I have an accessory growing in it in my downstairs, which at one point, I rented it out and it's always been well below fair market value because that's an important thing to me. I've been an educator. I love this community, I love the diversity, and I appreciate all the perspectives that I could share in this meeting. It's helpful for me to hear. And then I started thinking about my own situation, too, is that at one point, the accessory growing in it that I have was really like I had a partner, we had a double income, and so it was sort of just a nice way to have a buffer. And now where I am, I'm kind of facing this place where my life circumstances have changed a lot and it's actually the primary source of my income, which I hope changes, but it's actually how I stayed in my house. And I've had tenants for years and years and years and the only reason they haven't rented any more is because they've moved on or been able to save to buy their own home. But I think for me, I have a couple questions. That's who I am and the perspective that I'm coming from. But I guess I get tangled up in a lot of legal verbiage and so I came in about 15 or 20 minutes late to the meeting because I was working, so if I'm repeating, I'm sorry if I'm repeating things that were already stated, clearly you're asking things, but. So my understanding from what I've heard since is that there will be a vote on March 1st and that if that passes, it goes to the state and if the state approves, it'll come back to Meduski and Meduski will sort out the specific language and potentially or there is the possibility of then having other input and feedback for the exact language of that. Charter change? Yeah, so you're almost there. This language is what goes to the state legislature. If it's approved on time, you maintain. The state can change it to their, as much as they would like to. That ends up permanently, and they move forward, right? Because they also could just not do it. So saying they also move forward, whatever language they approve, that's what's in our charter. We have to abide by that. Learning trip then, we choose to draft an ordinance. That is where more input can be received and we can make adjustments. We don't have a broad sense of exactly what those are, but the example that was discussed earlier was in section B, it says that there are exceptions for owner-occupied duplexes and triplexes, but not limited to that. So maybe there's a conversation about ADU detached college. So there is more opportunity for public input for the process before an ordinance or something is actually in place and there are several steps where there needs to be a choice to keep moving forward. And one other question is March 7th is town meeting day, not March 1st. Thank you. Yeah, sorry, that was my mistake. Can I ask a couple of questions? Thank you for that. That's helpful. So on March 7th of the info, what is the timeline like in terms of it going to the state and then coming back to a risky? And if everything is approved in it's sort of like most swift fashion, when would that ordinance take effect? So we would pass this along to the legislature right after the vote. They can do whatever they want. They could take it up right now. They could wait till next year. They could decide not to. My suspicion is that they would look at it next year, but not guaranteed. If it came back to us, I think what's on the sheet, there's like at least a minimum of two months to do public hearings. So like the council would have to go, yes, let's draft an ordinance. We have to work on that ordinance staff, attorneys. Then there would be public hearings for public input. If we adjust the ordinance with input, there's another public hearing. So I don't know. I feel like it's at least six months to a year if we were acting on the fastest timeline possible. And Mayor, there's the validation vote as well. That's right. There's also, we warned the first public hearing incorrectly. So there's a step where we may have to do a second vote to validate the original one, which is a little in the leads and... Okay. And thank you. I appreciate all that. And then just more out of curiosity with the language that's currently in it, is an owner-occupied duplex... Is that a different thing than an owner-occupied with an accessory dwelling unit inside it?  I'm not officially a duplex, but I in a sense am, but it is on the books. It's called an accessory dwelling unit because of the zoning of my street. We're not allowed to have additional duplexes, which actually in some ways is also a, anyway, separate agreement. It's on the books and we just do this an accessory dwelling unit. Elena, are you able to answer that? I am not, of course I was. That's the sort of legal groundwork that staff has not been able to put in to be able to actually fit in with it. And is that, I mean, just out of curiosity, is there sort of an initiative, because it's surprising to me that an owner-occupied duplex would be listed, but not an owner-occupied. It almost seems like that would come first for a duplex given that a duplex has more right for income because it doesn't have to be owner-occupied. So this was drafted by an organization outside of the city of Munozki. It doesn't necessarily align to our explicit zoning. So that's, I mean. I can't speak to the decision-making under there, but I can see why it doesn't closely follow the definitions that we use in our regulations and that is something we would have to sort out. Okay, that's helpful. Thank you, thank you so much. I think, so what I'm hearing is there's a lot to sort out. There's sort of a basic framework. The vote will really be, in a sense, I mean, not really, there's legal language, but it's really in the spirit of, the hope is to keep our community together and not have practices that are booting people out. Anyway, I kind of get what you're hearing, and it sounds like if all continues, the city is gonna continue to give this more thought and write it or enforce it or whatever in a way that is reasonable and meets people's needs and also protects tenants' face. Absolutely, we have to have a lot more time in discussion around that stuff. Thank you, I appreciate it so much. I appreciate it, thank you, thanks everybody. Thanks, thank you. Shall we bring Amy back over? And then if there's still some other folks on Zoom, if you wish to speak, please use the raise hand feature and we'll put you with you. Thank you very much, I appreciate it. So I just wanted to hop back on because something that I think is also worth mentioning that some of the other speakers kind of made me think about was that it is going to be much easier when there's further public comment, if this passes for folks who own houses, perhaps run them out to kind of talk about maybe their experiences with renters, their experiences with being a landlord and the work it takes to keep housing livable and safe. And something that I think is just worth bringing up is that it is much scarier and riskier for renters like myself and others to publicly share our experiences. We don't have the same power and protections. That's part of what this is about is of just about being able to live and feel like you can stay where you are without having your rent double or go up 70% in one year, which is sort of a way to push people out. There are renters I have spoken to across Monewski that would love more than anything to share their experiences as a renter that feels scared to do that because they're worried that they would get no cause evicted by doing so. And I don't think that every landlord in Monewski would do that. I don't think that every landlord in Monewski is out to no cause evicted all of their tenants to raise rent. But I just want folks to keep in mind that like it is so much harder as a renter to talk about your experience and feel like you won't be retaliated against. It is scarier. And as of right now, there is no protection. So that I just want people to keep that in mind when we're talking about, yeah, who's at the table, why certain folks can come in the table and speak incredibly candidly and why other folks may not be able to do that. And I also hope that perhaps at the next hearing it might be possible to provide some sort of language interpretation service in case folks want to know, actually. That's all right. I look for that. Thank you very much. That is fantastic. Such great news. But I just wanted to bring that up because it is really hard to talk about when you're still renting and you might not have the safety net. So thank you. Thank you, Nene. I'm not seeing any more hands in the ceiling. Is there any one of us? Is there any more?  Thank you. Any more questions or comments? None at this time. Okay. Last call. Is there anyone in the same light who's still wishes to speak? Any questions? Seeing none. Mayor, there is another hand. Oh, I missed that one, yes. Thank you. Oh, thank you. I just ordered the other person and said that the panelists were facing twice or even 70% increased 70% of the meeting job. So I don't know where she's getting her new phone. Thanks, Sheldon. I believe that speaker was sharing a personal experience with their actual rent from their actual landlord. I'm sure she's probably been twice. I've never heard of that, but it seems... I wanna be personally, however, there is no regulatory prevention for doing so. There's nothing to report, essentially. I'm not saying all of them, so I've been at the local level. Burlington has different regulations of their own that we don't have here when you speak currently. And then I'm not stating why yet, if they have no one specific. Thank you. Can we bring Prashant Nest? Hello. You're welcome. Yeah, thank you. So even I am really tempted like what he was saying, because I am a landlord also and I haven't increased my rent since last five years because of COVID and all those issues. And now they are not... And then they started a program from the rental place and I was getting rent from the rental department of Vermont. And now they are not paying rent because that program is stopped. So what should I do now? Because everything that we're talking is just for the tenants. There will be nothing for owners and no one will come and invest in the scheme now. That is not me. And I will make sure that next time I raise my rent so that I'm covered for my next two years. So this will make this be a very bad place to invest and put people on rent. Thanks Prashant. I think you do a program you're referring to. A little nippy if I don't need the great person to contact you about that. We will be there for them and now my tenants are not paying me also. And I'm not paying them no cost tuition for them now. Oh, but that would be an addiction with cost Prashant. If they're not paying rent, that is a cause to a victim. Yeah, that is a cause. That is a cause. And if you don't pay for them no time, I don't know what to do. They're not even ready to move out.  You're able to evict them from nonpayment. You would still have that protection with this organization. We have to accept that taxes are going out every year, right? And this year also, we are going to raise it like anything. It's crazy here in University. But I don't raise my rent, right? I do not raise it every month. So challenges is future for all the open corners. Thank you. Thank you for sharing. Thank you. Megan? I'm the person who's rent went up to 100%. All I can tell you is that if I don't have a term, I can only speak to my own experience. And it's really unfortunate that you have trouble believing all of the stories that you're hearing tonight just because you wouldn't do the same thing. The thing is that when there is not a legal limit to how much rent can increase, any landlord that would like to make more money can increase rent in an occupied unit as much as they want. When we're in a housing crisis, we are still in. People are desperate for housing. And people with more resources then end up in homes. And people with less resources end up without homes. I'm not going to share my landlord's information because I don't feel safe doing that just like Andy was speaking to. But I just wanted to speak for myself that it's true. And also, yeah, Mayor Lighty kind of covered it. But there are still evictions with cause that landlords are protected to enact if a situation warrants it. So tenants not paying rent. Tenants not following the terms of the lease. Those would all still allow landlords to evict tenants. It would just also allow tenants some protection to stay in our homes if we are abiding by the law and abiding by our lease. Thanks. Thank you, Mayor. Andy, we can take you again. I'm sorry, Mayor, apologies to everyone present. I didn't intend to speak this afternoon. I did just want to just share for folks that are listening that this might be brand new information. And understandably, this is a red flag for someone that maybe has not heard about just cause eviction before. And I understand that. And I just want to make clear just cause is it's not even the equivalent of a good cause of eviction statute. It is just making sure that when folks are to be evicted that there is a reason provided and then there are reasons that are justifiable. And a lot of other places do have this in place. It's been adopted in four states, like California and New Jersey and Oregon and New Hampshire, and including a bunch of cities like Seattle and Washington DC. And it's being considered in Boston, Chicago, and New York. And so I just want to kind of affirm that this isn't a brand new thing. This has been implemented in many places. And it's unfortunate that there are folks that take a housing crisis and double, 70% double rent. And it happens. That's the reality of the situation that we're in. And this is just something to allow folks to have a justification to force people out of their homes. It wouldn't even end that. So I just wanted to really clarify that. Thank you very much. I'll pause again and see if there are any more questions or comments. Nothing on the room, Christine. And if possible. Just if possible, if Paul can drop the link to the web page in the chat for folks to see. Come together. Great. Thank you. Yeah, so we have another public hearing. I feel bright and maybe Saturday, February 4. 11 a.m. This is where we help provide language interpretation as well. And then there are a number of presentations we'll be doing for town meeting day, including the budget. But we'll also be sharing information about this ballot item. And so there are more opportunities to ask questions. Can also reach out to myself, a member of city council or city staff, if you have additional questions or comments to share. So saying no additional comment, I will now close the public hearing. I want to thank everyone for coming to engage. This is a really important topic. And admittedly, I haven't been able to spend enough time thinking about all of the different paths and opportunities. This may feel new to quite a few people. So we have a lot of time to continue engaging on it before town meeting day and then before potentially anything else happens. This is the only thing that we have on this meeting agenda tonight. So I will adjourn us at 7 o'clock, 7 p.m. Thank you very much, everyone. Thank you.