lieve ridiculous shit in the 21st century that and just laugh at the fact that they would have believed it in the first oh the amount of conspiracy theories there hasn't been any more ever in our history than there is today agreed so i will just carry we'll just close it off there fellas um so uh steward you know you referred to uh you know somebody you knew who's transitioning as a she so i think that answer is the question uh that you're not anti lgbtq if that's what i got out of that or no i i've had friends in my wedding in my wedding party who are gay who are some of my closest friends and you know i was asked okay i'm gonna go ahead and say this because it's 1030 and maybe some people got off so i can i can get a little bit more edgy but i was asked by a uh a girl who was marrying a close friend and she said oh you can't love people steward who are lgbtq because you know your your bible is hateful and you hate them because they say they're bad people and go into hell and this that the other i i said that's ridiculous i i think that just because you perhaps don't think that somebody's lifestyle is the most flourishing for them just because you disagree with that or want to help them in that area in no way does that mean that you're less loving towards them just like if my child the one that is living in a lifestyle who i think is not most helpful for their flourishing doesn't mean i'm gonna love them less i'm gonna probably love them more than the child who i think is living this lifestyle that perhaps is helping them really flourish so i know to many people that sounds exclusive and what the bible teaches but in no way does that i mean if anything it increases it should increase love for the christian and not a type of patronizing kind of love i mean like legitimate genuine love so so she understood that she she she's a really sharp woman and she got it so well hopefully that clears that up for you there marty uh you know i think steward's a good guy arin's a great guy you know we're maybe i'm a good guy too i mean you know nothing about me that's careful now right uh no be careful because nobody in your chat thinks anything nice well yeah that's that's all right for them your chat is reddit my chat is reddit well you guys calm down over there and you behave yourselves because i am a nice guy steward's a nice guy arin's a nice guy and uh we don't really care for uh people that are just trolling or being general a-holes uh so let's continue on uh question oh so yeah uh exit dissolve two dollars steward how many eyewitnesses accounts of the jesus raised oh sorry how many eyewitnesses accounts of raised jesus in new testament of raised jesus nine all right i think that is the uh the answer there for the new testament so uh let's carry on and uh i think if i had a question for sure i know i know that he won't answer it because he can't he can't answer it even if he knew the answer he couldn't answer it but i want to know why he believes this and it would take an awful lot of self reflection for him to come up with that and i don't think he's capable of that right now not an insult i i sincerely don't think that you would be able to evaluate everything that i'm thinking about right now to come up with why you believe what you believe because i tried i just couldn't i had to walk away from all that shit well maybe that's something we could even debate about down the road but uh you know a story if you have any thoughts on that you know and you know in the next 10 seconds and we'll move on when you're two when you guys when your audio goes on just isn't speaking over me every time because because i feel like i'm uh bottom of the totem pole here i yeah unfortunately i think because we have mics and preamps and you know i've got all these guitars and rock gear and all that stuff you know i can really drive my voice if i want to so i won't do that well i so i would no i i think it's a very good question for me there's no proof there's no proof if i came to this with proof it would be a different question for me i do i would lean on pascal a little bit as my own response i know i know you don't like that because i'm bringing something i don't like it it's just it's stupid well here's pascal i'm not saying pascal's wager like his wager is dumb and it's kind of i think it's a fear base too i like what he said and i can't remember the piss say that he said it in but you know when he talks about the attractiveness of the gospel and there's no way you would ever even consider trusting in god very believing in him if the gospel is not attractive to you first and so i think for me it's a matter of i i think there's just enough evidence to lead then to my experience and my belief and all the benefits that come from belief like there's endless amounts of like my thesis was on positive psychology and the belief in god endless amounts like atheism i like endless as in zero what not like like as in as a non-starter as in like there's no benefit to to pretending things that are obviously not true no no there no there's benefits that's not what i said there's benefits to pretending things that are not true sure i wouldn't do that i i think i think the placebo effect absolutely has a a serious effect on say for example you know medical drugs but i gotta say in all my arguments i've been doing this for like 25 years and it's funny to me how every discussion with a creationist always or with a christian always always brings up one that the the near-death experience is as if that means anything and then justification for the placebo effect no no i so i did neither of those you you just did the placebo and i well then i communicated poorly i gave you a couple ideas there once so for me it's more a matter of i don't have proof and yet i don't think your end has any level of proof either wait wait i i have to prove i don't believe you i don't think you're gonna say this is reality and that's it okay i don't but i but that's not my position that's you argued for materialism which again is both of us accepting that there's a material reality you assume that there's a magical reality which you cannot justify and i do not assume the thing that you cannot substantiate okay but what are you substantiating when it comes to material reality we both accept i don't make assumptions outside of that and nothing beyond like love meaning purpose love is not at beyond that love is chemical i'm just not part of that 30 seconds there fellas so well so more speaking personally i think there is enough evidence like i i almost ditched my faith when i was a sophomore in college like look i'm a pastor's kid the statistically 75 percent lose their faith so i'm one of the 25 percent okay so i don't know why but but you think love is outside of physical universe yes i think there's there's more to love than just chemicals there isn't than just the evolutionary you are assuming what is not evidenced no these things okay so you just said that love was outside of the physical universe there is no evidence of that you assumed that and said that that's what you believe but there's no evidence to imply that so you are stepping outside of the evidence to imagine something outside of this universe no no no okay let's start all over again and let's see how you wrap yourself up again all right well um if you guys want to delve down that path again that's fine it is just a little funny that uh james had messaged me and he was like hey try to you know make sure that you get these fellas out you know around two hours and try to respect their time but uh i messaged him back and i was like i worried them that if they kept riffing we were going to keep going and i just messaged him now and i was like we're a quarter of the super chats through and the they're still riffing uh so you know this is this is up to you fellas if you want to go down that path but we can keep going it's it's i i have other shit that i need to be doing right now but fine fuck it we'll just do this wait are you at 9 30 you yeah you're 9 30 aren't you i'm at 9 30 i've been working on another project for like five days a video that i thought was going to be recorded four days ago but it's taking me longer than i expected eat that i feel i feel yeah i was i i've been doing two days of jammin and we've been working on space trucking by d purple and i've just been screaming my head off so i'm surprised i even have a voice to even speak with uh are you doing ian gillian yeah yeah i am i'll tell you i won't do it right now because i i can't i can't get just the levels to make sure that's going to be cool uh but i will close it off with a cool song ele ront and uh he's coming in for 499 question aron is 2 plus 2 equals 4 falsifiable what do you think i don't do math i like to stay in my lane and i've talked to mathematicians who say that 2 plus 2 can equal 5 depending on certain values of 2 and i'm like the fuck are you even talking about i think that might be over most people's heads here i mean i was taught 2 plus 2 equals 2 and you know as as stewart mentioned earlier about drugs like you know if if your drug dealer was like 2 plus 2 equals 5 that's fine all right yeah and that's why i that's why i started to embrace the thing about when you say that you're gonna prove something you can't prove it mathematically this is why science doesn't prove anything mathematically the best that you can do is in a different context you can prove by an overwhelming preponderance of evidence beyond reasonable doubt that i can do and so when people tell me you know that evolution's not a thing i can absolutely prove by an overwhelming preponderance of evidence beyond reasonable doubt that evolution is real and a thing and that creationism is nothing but frauds falsehoods and fallacies with no truth to it period end of statement i can absolutely prove both of those things the sad thing is people want to make believe so badly they don't care they will tell me straight to my face they don't care what the truth is they're going to believe it anyway well this next question is coming in for stewart and so this is from Stephanie McGuire for five dollars stewart why does the Old Testament god that abores human sacrifice except his chosen people to accept human sacrifice as the ultimate atonement for sin yeah there were a lot of those different types of pagan cults there was molluck there was all different types where you know you had all these store-pain you know historical inventions but also the no historically accurate you have molluck and parents have to bring their babies and put on the molten hot lava hands when they would heat up the statue of molluck and then the parents we have to get taken out of the city as the screams of the babies were so intense so yes they would sacrifice for sins or just sacrifice in general to their gods but in no way does that disprove the christian god your your the people that you have in your chat are so very fortunate that they will never have an opportunity to face me in a situation where they will have to be accountable i i sometimes feel similarly you know i see some of the because they just say a whole bunch of shit that i could prove wrong in a moment and it's just there's too many of them to even list and i'm not going to name them because then they'll just all be spouting that shit but it looks like because i did this an hour or two ago it just looked like everybody hey let's say the stupidest thing we can in the chat well hopefully we have a few of our mods in the chat because i can't keep an eye on all of it and also if you have a few mods working in this chat then you have a fuckton of idiots boasting here jumping in my discord right now anyways no i yeah hopefully uh hopefully you guys are working a little bit in the super chats there and uh going through our live feed but once again keep it friendly everybody and uh once again it's no skin off our back so uh this is another one for stewart anybody that anybody that's in the chat that wants to say that you know because there are a lot of people i'm noticing this that that say that i can't prove evidence to shut up yes i absolutely can there's a trick to it though you have to be able to communicate in a socratic interaction now i can do it in as little as has a couple dozen mutual exchanges but when i have to correct the misinformation that you have and then establish the basics and i have to confirm that you understand the basics before we move on to the next level that means that when i ask you questions you have to answer them and my experience over the last 25 years that i've been doing this is that believers habitually refuse to answer direct questions because they want to believe more than to know the truth that's the problem so they won't answer at all i think it would be interesting to maybe even see that breakdown you know even just for even if we had a devil's advocate to see how that breakdown of that interaction happens but let's move on here whoa whoa whoa whoa technically arin is not allowed to do that whatsoever i like arin and i like listening to him so i allow him to do that no other atheist or anybody debating this this shows how much i like arin would i ever allow to do that i would push ryan right out of his seat until he actually stopped and said equal time here but i enjoy listening to arin so i let him get a you know i let him push and go and i like that he actually asked me questions here at the end i do appreciate that that it was that was personal but i can't get my points off about the resurrection or reliability of the gospels i'm going to interrupt i'm sorry about that no i don't mean to interrupt interrupting you right now i just meant like as a separate idea right that's the thing oh no no but we're not talking about the resurrection about we're talking about evolution we're talking about things that are real that's fantastic wait what so let's uh let's go back to the superjads uh this was for you steward so i mean we should really be asking you the question we just got into a different uh different direction there steward um yeah that was the one about atonement for sin steward i don't believe you are for real in your belief i don't know if i like that one so much can you prove you actually believe the bible and practice your religion oh is this a ad hominem if you will hear i think they're asking if you're a devil's advocate you know are you a legit steward i know i keep making it sound like i'm a i'm a proficient author and writer but i considered titling a book in the future one step away from atheism because i've had so many people say to me whoa you're like inches from atheism yeah my you had a couple i've i've even had a couple guys i've had a couple guys come on uh different podcasts and say yeah i am here to convert you to atheism so i guess there's a lot of people nobody nobody says that oh they said that they said nobody says i'm going to convert you to atheism yeah nobody knows what the fuck they're talking about so no i don't know how do you convert to non belief well you you know what they were saying converting out of mind into something else whatever it might be but they don't then when they wouldn't say convert to atheism that's stupid if somebody says that they're going to convert you to atheism then they don't even know their own argument well uh let's carry on from there i think steward's made his point aron has made his point so let's carry on fitur fetus for five dollars does aron believe that the beasts of daniel seven are to be taken literally daniel was largely dreams so i don't take any of that literally i mean most a whole lot of the bible was fucking beat i don't know whether it was just dreams or it was drug induced dreams or dreams inspired by stupidity i don't know but there's a whole lot of it that was just dreams and therefore it doesn't have any validity at all if i wrote down all the fucking dreams that i've had that i thought meant something to me and that i wrote them down in a book for other people to interpret as if it should have the same meaning for them they'd be awfully confusing but that's how the bible is written this is it was written by mystics it was written by people who thought that dreams were god's way of communicating with people which means that god is inept all right well for the sake of time everybody and uh you know to everybody hit the like button what are you doing we got still over a thousand people watching this and only 500 likes hit that like button if you enjoy what you're hearing here tonight i think we've got two very amicable speakers on our side here and uh good representative uh representative sides of uh our arguments i'll give you i'll give you a credit for that stewart i will because modern day debate has pitted me up against some real idiots i think i think you guys are both swell fellas uh a lot of fun uh i'm not going to talk about any of the uh of the other people i'm not going to name any names but this has been a great game yeah i i don't know what to say fellas uh we'll carry on and what i'm going to do is i'm going to set a one-minute timer and i'm going to try to keep the questions towards you know the people that they're asked to so good day to you sir for twenty dollars canadian whole canada thank you for your twenty dollars canadian two correct stewart jesus and mark 16 18 uh should i do my preacher voice i think i should let's just let's just pick up snakes a lot of questions showing up at the chat but i'm guessing they don't you don't read them unless they pay something there's a lot of questions but yeah we're going to read just a super chat because there's a ton of them still and uh i got a quote here from mark 16 18 and i'm ready to rip do we have how many of these do we have to ask how many of these questions we have to get to all kinds but uh you know we'll we'll tear through them like i said i'm going to set a one-minute timer let's go it's 1046 what time we go until i'm at 1146 so like yeah well where are you dare you i'm in novaskosha so like you know she's about to see that my my launch into this whole thing and uh you know kind of my kick in the butt was actually running into shannon q and polo gia uh and on there are you on this show on their anniversary and they paid for me and my wife's drinks uh you know it was very kind of them and i i super enjoyed sitting down and chatting with them i thought they were uh really cool for doing that i really i really enjoy uh paul and shannon q just fantastic really for a number of reasons so i just i just wanted to get that on you know i don't that i said that i guess no i like it yeah they kicked me in the butt they messaged jimmy and they you know they were like hey you know uh you know ryan's trying to get a hold of you and then that kind of got me kind of thinking well i i should see what happened with my email that i sent to james because he never responded to me and i checked my junk email and i was like he responded to me within a week of me sending him an email saying hey i think i want to help you out here um and it was in my junk email and i missed it completely so uh you know i would have been on here a lot sooner and figuring out uh how to actually be good at this a lot sooner had uh great about 10 minutes let's go let's rule uh good day to you sir i think you're running out of steward's patience sorry sir to correct steward all right sorry i it's all good they will pick up the snakes with the hands and then they will drink deadly poison it will not hurt them at all they will place the hands on sick people and they will get well that is my preacher voice so he is quoting from mark mark 1618 saying that they did uh in the new testament i think mark is from uh preach about uh being able to handle deadly snakes uh thoughts on that or want to carry on uh carry on mark 16 isn't maybe not even in the bible all right thank you fortitude balance of 499 euro if god really wrote the bible and it is his word why is there a big universe beyond our world if there was life on mars he should have said so yeah there's probably not there's probably no humans on mars next all righty our ins back they're getting out of their snake but uh yeah we're going to carry on with the super chats everybody and sorry uh if we're being super brief with your super chat but i think we've used the super chats to get into all kinds of nuance uh in these guys thoughts on the individual discussion so arnaz back so yeah you guys were calling for a venomous one so i was going to go grab a venomous one but she's running and hiding she toothless new all right well yeah from six fangs on either side so this one from a la ron again question to steward on which dmt trip did machine elves tell you that thousands of muslims are becoming christians uh a la ron i think that's kind of uh just uh not really worth answering but uh thanks for the 499 we want to carry on and respect these fellows time because we've gotten all kinds of ideas out tonight go back in the debate if you missed anything because uh i think we've really uh expelled uh what we think for tonight frank morning tree 199 aran thanks for fighting for a rational world well thank you frank for your fan super chat we always appreciate a little bit of support for the speakers who are here on their own time that's amazing that uh you would contribute nine five ninety five dollars what do you both think uh kenneth humphrey's idea that not only was jesus mythological but so was paul that both were literally characters i don't believe that paul i don't believe that paul was fictional at all i don't actually believe that jesus was entirely fictional i think that he was largely so and that paul is a big part of that but that he wasn't entirely so and i don't believe that paul was was fictional at all all right and your thoughts there stewart will move on agreed other than i think christus is a specific christ that the christians worshiped all right let's carry on rusty colon for five dollars canadian stewart would uh why would an all powerful supreme being allow vastly different interpretations of his commands that leave to eternal torture and damn nation first of all there's an orthodox faith that 34 percent of christians understand and agree on secondly the ten commandments for example i don't think there's too much misinterpretation around the ten commandments or the sermon on the map oh yeah there is depending on whether are you talking about exodus 20 or exodus 34 okay there is there's some but what what does this guy expect like like what what does he desire he wants all of our brains fixed perfectly to have a perfect exact understanding of every word in the english you know dictionary so no there's going to be different interpretations and understanding but ultimately if you misunderstand what murder means and you kill it's killing instead of murdering her i'm pretty sure that's not going to send you to hell no sin ultimately is going to send you to hell it's a matter of sin of disbelief oh yeah you brought that up earlier all right well let's carry on fellas we got i like it ryan i like it ryan i'm trying to keep you guys going because i like i know you want to carry on their spirit right this is technically venomous just technically i like i like the wristband that's what i'm all after you know but there it is i'm holding a venice for that oh look at that go all right i i picked that week that album up a few weeks ago my buddy before he left elven colander oh yeah man i loved you i love priests i was gonna say i got machine head and then i ordered in unleashed in the east my buddy left me his record player before he moved away to ontario he's actually the rhythm player on all the lovely tracks that everybody hears on modern day debate when i'm hosting because uh i'll use it as a way to promote my music you're you're such an anachronism you're way too young to be into the music you like uh yeah you should see me when i was in grade seven and i was like oh i like buddy holly i made my way into queen i mean my way into queen and every day i would come home and i was 15 and i'd be singing you know another one bites the dust anyways i gotta be careful but uh eventually i got into d.o and rob halford and all them good high screaming vocalists and uh me and my old music teacher we ended up linking back together and we're doing a really cool act right now doing rainbow and d.o and you know heaven and hell and d.o rainbow with d.o as the frontman of course you know a star gazer is my favorite tune so i mean i've been ripping that one and screaming it out but i gotta be good here everybody you're getting me distracted i gotta tell you you're talking you're doing a different show right now you're getting me distracted on the metal my friend all right so uh iron if your snakes could talk what could what would they say i think they would say holy dive el aron for $1.99 steward just stepped out so let's find another one for aron aron you're a good person respect sir from el aron for $1.99 well thank you uh charles lair for $1.99 ryan indeed you are goaded well whatever that means i mean i think that's a good thing um you know i i can scream a good tune that's good i'll put something on for the end of the show um easy walks for $2 how can aron hail to satan and not believe in god because in the satanic temple when you hail satan you you hail yourself because it's about self-empowerment we don't believe in a literal satan so and and very often when you hear people say hail satan listen for a moment longer they'll say hail satan and then say hail by self all right hopefully that answers your question easy walks el aron for $1.99 aron why are you arguing for alt uh altaryan ethics you sorry uh you util utilitarian ethics utilitarian that's well utilitarian sorry i i pronounced it wrong i i had to zoom in here i should be wearing my glasses because i'm older than i appear yeah you're saying that to me me you're barely pubescent compared to me it doesn't matter i have no idea i i i consider myself utilitarian so the ethics of what is required of society would be utilitarian i i don't know what i didn't see the original question i i i would ask the person to paraphrase it if i had that opportunity but i'm given that this is the one time i'm going to hear this question that's the best way i can answer it i'm going to be did i interpret it as pragmatic and i'm i'm a pragmatist so i'm going to interpret it that way all right well let's carry on el aron for $4.99 aron said muslims are leaving islam in west i am non-western born muslim and sometimes they try to even excommunicate me by accusing me of being liberal you know you're making inroads when they accuse you of that yeah but i'm not a liberal i'm a leftist and so people try to accuse me of being a liberal i'm like no no no you need to keep going all right well let's carry on there steward's back thanks steward for coming back aron if you need to take a little washroom break uh grab a drink no i just i just urinated right here in my chair it'll be fine aron's got a bottle everybody that's fine he was a professional he's got a he's got an elegant filtration system hooked up to him right now built into his chair it's fine all right so el aron for $1.99 steward soul is a metaphysical self it's not matter yeah agreed all right okay that was the question i was asking before and as i said when i when i talked to a number of of neuroscientists and neurophilosophers specifically daniel denna and patricia churchland they they go on about and the neuroscientists did as well as six of them i can't remember all their names but they but they all say there's no support at all for mind-body dualism they're just simply flat out is not a soul all right you want to close this out there steward nope nope all right well that's the ending thoughts there uh lord as danis $1.99 how many people does god kill and why so many it's a bit of a loaded question but you guys can address it if you'd like where is the empirical proof that god kills so many people all right well we don't have empirical proof all we have is the mythology exactly we we have estimates you know that that god killed everybody on earth at a given moment it was in 24th century bce so we have to estimate what the population of the planet is minus eight would you have been okay if god killed the nazis before they brutally killed six million jews would i have been okay if god killed bad people instead of killing everybody for no fucking reason are you sure you want to ask me that loaded question every whoa who said everybody is was not bad because that's what you just said everybody but bad and thoughts and behaviors every doe in south america every puppy in north america it doesn't matter god apparently had some issue with a handful of people in the north in the middle east being too noisy so he decided that that the only thing he could do because god doesn't know how to do problem solving he decided the only thing that he could do was to kill everybody everywhere everything everywhere to get rid of these handful of people in the middle east now he could have blinked them all into the corn field he could like other gods have done on the twilight zone he could have done a number of other things but no he went for the most costly ridiculous over the top excessively cruel stupid kind of act that he possibly could why because the people who made up this story experienced a flood in their neighborhood and decided to blame it on the gods well i believe in the local flood so i don't i don't agree with okay so you believe in the flood of surepok in 2900 bce let's let's do it isn't it where it is for him there you did not answer my question though oh well then we'll pass it back what's your question there stewart now killing nazis illegally it's not the the ones in control in control of the g.o.p now or the ones from a century ago all right let's go on okay all right we'll be getting into the all the jargon imagine of avenue $20 guys let me ask a hypothetical in the internet there's a secretive organization called the csp foundation they hunt down and contain anomalies if it is real if it is reasonable to say it is real given its attributes is it real no strange one there's a strange one i think i read it with the right tone honestly yeah i i people have accused me of of of endorsing verificationism and therefore i'm supposed to belong to some philosophical thing that lost lost popularity in the 19th century but i don't i i do however before i assume that anything is true i want to be able to show that there is some truth to it so to that degree yeah i want to be able to verify before i declare before i buy into something all right well let's move on from there aileron said soul affects your brain and your brain affects your soul i think we've already kind of there is no such thing as a soul yeah i was going to say i think aileron we've touched enough on that subject and kind of figured out where our debaters disagree uh on that i i will admit that i have a soul what i'm listening to really extremely good blues guitar but otherwise no oh we have a hendrix fan look at that that's good stuff too uh a best star 499 when stewart made an excuse for matt 1628 as uh he was talking about events in 70 ad shows he is full of something that is not the holy ghost c verse 27 don't put quotations unless you want my preacher voice what are you doing i don't know there's really a question there stewart it's kind of like a proclamation so i mean you know people who heard that question you can kind of look into that uh saying you're making an excuse for matt 1628 thoughts i don't have verse 27 in front of me all right no problem i'm sure we'll uh we'll get that expounded on some other time i i'm still reading your chats and i'm seeing people that don't know what punctuation means who also think that just making an assertion is establishing in fact oh the people that don't know what punctuation means and then they submit the super chats and i have to read them i'm trying to wonder like what is the flow here what is the flow all right so so we clip that everybody that's that's what i want you to gather from this punctuation very important um let's continue on elorant soul plus brain is why we're here for training um we like i said we've already answered enough questions about the soul elorant so i appreciate your super chat but we want to get these fellas out here at somewhat a decent hour and now we're not doing that as it goes so uh stew from lord stanis for 499 can you read about how the biblical god was developed from a polytheistic to monotheistic this is Yahwehism what are your thoughts on this so it was developed from polytheistic to monotheistic there was no there was there was no stealing from any type of polytheism i don't see any evidence for that and i've heard that once before but there's no evidence that somehow monotheism stole from polytheism and okay so there's the fact that Judaism was originally polytheistic so that fact in evidence is one of the ones that he's regret that he's uh just simply ignoring and then there's the the origin uh that around the the origin of Judaism there was the misopotamian religions there was the permeate the persian religions egyptians and so forth and some of those were toying with monotheism so the persians had a monotheistic religion and the egyptians had a monotheistic religion and so Judaism was being partially influenced by that that's another fact in evidence that uh that steward is overlooking so when he says there is no fact he means that actually that there is multiple facts and evidence he just doesn't know about them yet i took a course on the comparative history of world religions i suggest steward that you do the same i had a wonderful instructor on that and that that seems to make all the difference 10 seconds my my son took the same course that i did with a different instructor after i did and said that the class uh sucked because my son sat through the class with me we had a methodist instructor who had who had a doctorate in theology and had actually personally been to all of these different holy structures across asia and so forth uh but the next guy after him was a southern baptist preacher who had never been outside of the united states and my son said that class just absolutely sucked all right so let's do that was for you so uh i'll give you up to a minute to close us out on that one there without interruption so uh what are your thoughts there um no the judeo it was it was always worshiped the judeo christian god was always worshiped as a monotheistic god now were there influences like aran mentioned in the sense of were there dabbling in in potential ideas of polytheism potentially but no there's no show show me any type of paper anywhere any scholarly ancient document talking about that the jews worshiped many gods at once and i'll okay yeah yeah not not a problem if you visit me an email i'll be able to produce that and in the meantime spider 33 i shouldn't be addressing the people in your chat because they're all fucking idiots calling me an old childless snake man after having raised five kids two of them by myself why are your chat people all such idiots that i have no control over that's kind of one of those kind of youtube things i you know you fellas choose to leave the mark on the planet that you want but uh just just know that uh you know if you're not being constructive well then that's it's a tautology you're being just that so a la ron 199 yes they will become muslim uh ala medillia i'm not sure what we got there jason jones two dollars wrong pew research uh wrong pew research better sorry you did have punctuation i'm not sure what they're referring to there with the pew research being wrong no all right sorry jason we've lost that point uh you know that's coming gone so uh lord de santis uh lord de santis sorry you know what i've been watching too much it's been watching too much political jargon trying to find these political speakers so you know what don't blame me lord stanice dollar 499 stew if your father cliff came to you and said stew god has told me to take you up the hill and sacrifice you what is your reaction to this i'd ask which god did that ever and which book commanded that ever because genesis chapter 22 clearly abraham tells the servants we will be back clearly god will provide so there was never any question of somehow him going to stab his son and call it quits in the relationship all right well let's carry on y'all who again for two dollars canadian he says stew your audio cuts out because of your speakers so yeah if you have speakers in your room uh you know and not in ear monitors it can sometimes uh cut into your microphone when you're trying to speak so that could be it by the way and i'm not getting on arin for this oh there he is we're gonna close hi steward i'm of the portable atheists the atheists who just are atheists because of daddy being mean growing up or or a bumper sticker that they read i a genesis 22 type passage with abraham and isaac like that's what i'm talking about in terms of they haven't done any looking into what that passage is actually about what the meaning is for example like it's coming out of genesis for example so you should be really looking into what the the narrative structure is and what the meaning is but then secondly contextually speaking thirdly the hebrew and this is not me trying to dance at all like i studied this in seminary and it is so clear that in no sense is this an example of child murder so this is a perfect example of what i'm stating when it comes to when arin says just to read the bible and don't be us around it i hate to say it but but this is an example of everybody interprets how are you going to interpret are you going to interpret correctly closest to context or not i don't mean to laugh but the question about you know or the advice about your audio cutting out and the next thing we know we're talking about murder that's what kind of set me off i was like this was about your audio and then it happens everybody we're back on topic that's fine ele ron 499 uh that was already asked actually while you were on break that was for arin um that's for ele ron dollar 99 arin lack of kindness will be your weakest point as kind of now i shouldn't read that sorry that's i'm just kind of reading them as they come in that's not really a question i've been kind you have no idea the amount of patience that i've exhibited for this i think everybody's being good tonight arin is very kind for an atheist all right so you leave him alone for for a human being i love all of you fellas you're great vaughn zoom i love ryan you you calm down don't you pull everybody you you better explain what that means 999 i love watching you guys talk a 999 question for steward why believe in an empty tomb when victims of crucifixion were left to rot or be eaten yeah not in a massive grave with with the stature of a jesus christ figure a common grave would have been for somebody who was completely not known he wouldn't have been tried like jesus was tried so all right or the way that that jocephus describes it which i and i don't add i don't defend anything that robert price says because he and i are politically at ends but i i did read an interesting thing from robert price about uh the interpretation of josephus as compared to luke that there's a point where josephus bar mathias can be interpreted as uh joseph he's by his heber name could be interpreted as joseph of error mathia and the way that bob price puts this it was interesting to read the two captions together and realize that this is the same story being told from two different perspectives i had to be impressed with the way that he drew this extrapolation i'm not saying it's legitimate that it's necessarily valid but it does it did seem to me to be the way he presented his argument and as i said bob price and i i like the guy for a long time he and i are politically at odds but i i did like this one argument that he made about that what were the different angles the way that that uh joseph um joseph bar mathias which would be joseph of error mathia the way that he shows up and he has three friends who were who are on the cross and that he goes to titus rather than uh pilot he goes to titus who was actually the person in charge at that time and he begs to have his free free he has three friends taken down and then two of them live and then one of them died and it just the the the way that he tells the story when you read when you realize when you read josephus through the eyes of bob price and then you read luke it does read as if it's the same scene seen from two sides or you know from either perspective that luke is writing about the same scene as josephus is not joseph of error mathia but joseph is bar mathias all right uh or joseph bar mathias question was for you there stewart so you want to close this out on that thought there i can't remember what it was oh it's all right that's all right uh you know the uh the short term gets a little bit fuzzy when these things get a little bit longer everybody so that's what you get for porn in your superchats like that uh el arant uh dollar 99 the crux of his question is christians aren't evil aran i never said they were evil okay being deceived doesn't mean evil i'm sorry that you believe even a lie and i'd be happy to help you out with that but that's your problem it's not that you're evil it's you're you're deceived i just don't understand why john lennon wasn't right he was right he was atheist yeah when he's exactly when he said in 1966 the time magazine as as the u.s gets more scientific we will see religion go i am certain of it and the opposite happened yeah that is that that is upsetting i can't tell you how much as science has i mean as somebody who grew up in that time period who looked to you know star trek and so forth as like okay we're making advancements we're learning the the errors of our old ways we're learning the new truths you know we're going to get better that's what i thought we were doing and then we elected trump yeah trumpet is one and two chronicles yeah are we talking about where they they they wear the mark of the the mark of the beast on their forehead and it says ma ga i still got a guy wearing a maga hat around town so it's amazing he's like the nicest guy in the world so if anybody ever goes after him they should feel very yeah my mother told me that that trump was still president and i i made her sign a document that if by september of last year if trump is still in mara lago and biden is still in the white house will she admit that her news sources were wrong and she signed that and then i pulled it out in september late late september i pulled that out and like you remember signing this and she said you'll find out eventually okay so you just don't stand by your own word at all yeah and so now she is in a nursing home uh with dementia because that's what leads to that yeah Fox News does all right well let's let's carry on there everybody and sorry to hear that as i pop back in i left on what would seem to be a happy note for me as i was like oh let me go use the washroom right quick john lennon yeah he made some great music and i come back and then you left me and steward alone but you guys you know what i came back and you guys were behaving and that's better than i could ask from my children and some of the other people i've hosted on here when i've had to pop out and use the washroom and i come back and i'm like who's biting who's head off what's going on here vice all right so in defense i wait how many questions are left just a few more we're getting to the wrap up here and i'm gonna need another beer because i can tell because he's that was an hour ago that he said a few more the last yeah honestly well i'm drawing my best it's don't worry ryan it's not my fault it's only 60 percent your fault i i've said 10 seconds 15 seconds 10 seconds here fellas 30 seconds there and then like five minutes later you guys have finished up on your point i don't want to cut you off i mean i want you guys to be able to get your ideas out there what yeah what you're thinking uh yeah well you've been talking to school of rock too mister i well i had to do what i had to do you know you are an anachronism there's nobody with a face that should look that young that likes the music that you do that's that's all right i was gonna say yeah anybody who likes likes what i do as far as like the uh the modern day debate you can check me out on facebook i got a group called light and shade we mostly just do like led zeppelin covers and you know i think the last clip i put up was like stairway to heaven or over the hills and far away or some nonsense like that all right so that's really old shit man i i love it though you know i like i like that explosive vocal stuff and it's funny and then you two talk about the uh i am no musician although i like my keith green aron may know who keith green is no neither of you guys know makes me sad how about the brother of hank green he was uh he was john green amy fey's favorite singer did you see amy fey tell me you oh arne you got to watch tammy fey you know it's uh tammy fey tammy fey you know that evangelical leader back to me jim and tammy baker no it's definitely tammy fey is tammy fey baker i used to watch them all the time whenever i wanted to get whenever i really wanted to get pissed off i would watch jim and tammy fey baker bro you gotta watch the movie jack jessica chastain just won the best actress for it last year i can't believe you haven't seen it you gotta let me know what you think of it you're you're gonna love it it's good it was so irritating that i'm watching that this one show where they said is and this was like 1982 and they they they they brought in these the people that used to work for gary gygax and they said is dungeons and dragons a satanic organization and the answer straight up no in matter of fact we've even hired a catholic priest to make sure that nothing that we that we've posted in our publications could possibly be interpreted as satanic and so she grabs the camera tammy fey does and says see dungeons and dragons is willfully a just a satanic organization but that's what evangelicalism is lies that's it that's just lies they had they had bought they had they had um what the fuck the old codger that just died the the one that always always always thinking stupid shit against hating people what what was his name it was a jerry fall while that just passed away was that no no no it was the one after him it was uh oh stanley no but the one where there was there's a lot of memes about it though basically the christian coalition the the the the one that was running the 700 pat robertson that was it i remember the memes yeah the one who told his his 30 000 some odd followers in 1993 or four to go out and kill homosexuals where you find them in order to prevent earthquakes that guy yeah i forgot where i was going with that that's all right we we we launched from music yeah he i saw him on jim and tammy fey's show and he was showing ozzy osborn's speak of the devil and he was talking about how this is all satanic music i'm like ozzy's like spitting great jelly out of his mouth for a for a fucking studio album why do you have to like over dramatize everything because they they have to lie they have to keep people scared in order to keep the donations coming in and that was the foundation for fox news well let's carry on with the superchats their fellas but i think that's a true debate uh that we should have there is uh you know who is the better front man ozzy or d.o i mean illan gillen did that one album with sabbath and so did rob helford but i think d.o and ozzy that's the real debate right there all right in defense you are in anachronism 999 arin you have a terrible hermeneutic we are saved by grace alone by faith alone through christ alone we are called to confess for our sins and repent not by our works and that no one can boast it's a more empty assertions that you can't verify i i wish that i could be like religious people and just like makeup whatever i want to say and then just say it like it's truth and then you know have people give me millions of dollars for having lied to them but unfortunately i have ethics so all right well we'll carry on and i don't mean to i i don't want to sound biased anybody uh is just a matter of uh it's not really a question i wrapped up in what you said they're in defense of the gospel like i said it's more of a proclamation we do want to carry on a la ronde dollar 99 laurence crosses nothing this is quantum potential thoughts on that up to a minute no not even up to a minute we got no thoughts on that nobody's got any thoughts on that i don't think it was even mentioned fellas so charles lanard 499 aron if you want proof of ghosts just try emailing stewart i should have read that one first yeah it's well that's fun charles you know we we enjoy having a little laugh everyone so i'm still seeing some floating turds in your comment section that want to accuse me of lying but of course can never say anything that i've actually lied about you can't show that what i've said was false nor show how i knew it was false when i said it because you can never show that it was false there's a problem if you can't meet criteria one how are you going to make it a problem too well you heard it here you're floating turds that's what aron roth thinks of you uh and your uh your criticisms there uh you know uh check out our speakers they're both going to be linked in our description if you want to hear more from either of them easy walks five dollars how does science measure this and study what they they can't see or prove how does science measure or study what they can't see or prove is it supported is it not if it's not let's talk about what is all right let's carry on nuzzy d a dollar ninety nine why is christianity more true than any other uh so steward any other what i i think they mean bullshit story i think they mean more than any other religion so uh steward i'm going to give you up to uh yeah if you want to expound for 30 seconds why you think christianity is because the grave because the grave of buddha muhammad shirley mclean they're all full but jesus christ grave never had a grave he's surely mclean did no she's a low five yeah and and and jesus never had a grave and wouldn't have had because he would have been he would have been like taught he would have been tossed in with all of the the other that that would just refuse like a big pile of people except for this uh joseph of arithy excuse me uh josephus who then wants to save his friend and so he puts him in his own private tomb only he doesn't apparently get there and there's some problem and then we got a bullshit story about how the disciples later start recognizing random people in the crowd as if they're jesus and the people who don't do people they recognize don't even cop to being jesus what but they recognize him as being jesus anyway this what are you talking about all right fellas i'm trying to bring you guys in on these super chats but you you're riffing you're riffing harder than rock stars i'll tell you uh and you these guys are rock stars so hit that like button and uh yeah and can we just can we just come back to the summary of what would be the point if if christianity was real obviously it isn't but if if christianity was real the whole thing is that we're supposed to believe it doesn't matter what you do it doesn't matter what your morality is it just matters what you believe do you believe the right type or brand of bullshit story for no reason and and and then you're going to go to hell if you don't so you have to violate the first commandment of the jews to believe that jesus is this god in front of god's you're gonna do that you thou shalt have no other gods before me except that know that nobody comes through the father but through me so you have to violate that to believe in jesus and if you don't believe in jesus merciless psychotic fucking torture forever and ever and ever and ever it doesn't matter if you had to go to reason because god is not a righteous judge he just judges not morality but whether you believe and what you believe and and if you didn't it doesn't matter why you didn't i didn't give you evidence god i god i jojoba hid all the evidence from you i gave you only evidence to show that all of christianity is bullshit and so you believed my lie and therefore i'm gonna i'm gonna torture you forever forever and ever and ever that's that was a great life that's christianity i'm gonna annihilate this i don't think it goes on forever let's let's carry on fellas because the longer we riff the more we generate interest in super chats and you guys are like i said the more you carry on the more you're going to keep yourselves here uh because these questions are gonna uh you know create more big solos so el orant crime doesn't have religion cool i think we can carry on abraham tartar for a dollar that's your first super chat thanks for the dollar 999 from mal stewart that was a stupid or stupid a stupid and dishonest jab that you made to assert that the person you mentioned killed themselves because of atheism is it a self-identifying christian has let's be fair he said it wasn't because his worldview is empty he did assert that the worldview was empty and that is wrong that is a lie and but he did say that it wasn't because of that and that was just his take not mine proceed and because atheism is not an empty worldview people in the chat say that they want that i want people to be as empty as i am i am fuller than most of your people in your chat well let's carry on i've always had a rewarding life i wish everybody else could have could have enjoyed life as much as i do i'm 60 years old i'm gonna die at some point relatively soon and it's okay because i had a good run i wish everybody else could say that they can't what if you didn't have a good run that's not okay you just said it's okay because you did have a good run i because i feel good about it yeah so many people don't get about it the majority of people in this world don't feel good about it and i get that i get that and i i want to empathize with that if i had had 60 years of struggle and pain and torture and failure and that's all i've ever experienced i would feel terrible about that i don't know how to relate to anything other than what i've experienced all right i wish that other people could feel as rewarded as i do if i died when i was 20 i would have been happy i mean because i i had a good run then it's just the guys who were dying in the Balkans and they said it's only in the comfort of a white suburban home that we can say that we had a good life a good run and act like everything's fine suburban home i didn't live in a white suburban home until i was 40 let's uh let's carry on there follow on ryan i'm making the last point here since we're all all three of us are dabbling into commentary it's okay i'm um no my point there is back to your earlier personal question about my belief in god that's one of them right there and hey that could be wishful thinking where i'm just wanting everybody to get a fair shake in this life but i think there's going to be a judgment day and i want it very badly how do you how do you not be able to not review how do you not reconcile how unjust that is what's that how do you not reconcile how unjust that is no every single bro hold on here every single stoppage that you have in say the middle east of the cycle of revenge the revenge cycle is when that people group believes that there is a judgment day so that they don't have to get it here on this earth so how do you reconcile how unjust the notion of a judgment day is especially within the myopic and insane confines of the god of abraham but look at the prison system you keep people locked up their entire lives is that i don't advocate that all right let's try to move on there from uh from there guys i don't i don't think that's effective because it's it there's nothing about rehabilitation or forgiveness and you know i'm about those both of them so i i've been tchaikovsky for five dollars thank you are and for helping me finally realize the lies of christianity uh thanks for the compliment there i've been uh for the thanks uh any idea if you and gutsy gibbon will have any more videos in the future gutsy are you asking if i will have other videos with gutsy gibbon yeah i think they want to know if that's something you got planned in the future i'm hoping so she's a fucking star all right excellent let's carry on there uh el around $1.99 right into your job time to answer the questions uh yeah i'm i'm getting to it you know i i like to let the people riff off and i think this is going to be probably the most we've gotten to expound on steward and arans beliefs on modern day debate uh albeit uh it was some warning for me that they're riffing a little harder than they usually do wits it gets it $4.99 physics at all scales shows us that all phenomena is in a process of seeking a state of equilibrium what is the and to descend for the intrinsic order and to i will grant that you either in in nature you're either going to achieve balance for some time or you're going to fail to achieve balance for any time in which you you had to calamity so the the only way you can prolong your being is to mean you know is to achieve balance but there's but there's no goal i mean it's not a it's not intentional all right well let's carry on al around $1.99 bring sharia law and ban beer here just kidding no never ban beer never take my sweet beer away from me all right now uh blaster master $85 stew what convinces you personally that christianity is true yeah what is the appeal that would be my question let's try to get it in 30 seconds if you don't mind well is god of the universe actually loves you is with you here and there's an eternal reality awaiting i think but but but but aside from the fantasy biggest appeals well you said what is i'm not talking here i'm simply since since there's no i mean there's absolutely no indication that that's real why do you believe it anyway no it's one or i just wanted the first question there i think there's all the evidence in the world you know the teleology meaning none meaning meaning zero geological argument meaning very not one single fact in evidence at all biologists and mini astrophysicists now are saying they're probably that there's no evidence whatsoever but you're asking me the attractiveness of it and that was i want to know why you why you what what is the appeal of believing something for which there is according to universal consensus there's zero evidence at all period sorry say that again yeah none despite the fact there's absolutely no evidence for it and a shit ton of evidence against it why do you believe it anyway just because you say there's no evidence doesn't mean there's no evidence but because there is no evidence i am forced to say there is no evidence because it because you know how much evidence there is i'm going to be literal this is mathematically accurate that's the evidence you have so why do you believe it anyway you're a dying breed leo i'm pretty oh atheism what movie are you quoting come on bro what about bob really you haven't seen what about bob have you know but since there is not a single fact in evidence for your belief which we established in the early part of this debate why do you still make believe what is not evidently true anyway what is the appeal all right let's do that and within like 15 seconds let's move on to the next one there stewart like blaze pascal talks about if you find it attractive then you will honestly start to look into the evidence i don't think are and wait wait wait wait so if i if i find it unattractive and you're not there's still if there's evidence i'm going to look for it doesn't matter whether it's attractive or not but if there's no evidence then it doesn't matter if it's attractive it falls totally falls i talked to kids about this all the time and adults kids okay i'm glad you threw in adults at the end because that's the only ones i care about if they come in and see that the gospel is unattractive i have to change my identity to fit that of a god then they're not going to honestly look for evidence there's no way well then why don't you present the evidence oh because there isn't any that's why you are biased all right there is no evidence there is not one actual fact in evidence to support your belief period that's it that's l we definitely know we definitely know that you guys stand on those pillars on this discussion so let's carry on what's it right we have a shit ton of evidence to show that everything you believe is a lie but we don't have fuck all to say that there's any truth to it so why do you still pretend what is not true i want to know what is the appeal why do you care so much because i believe in truth and it maddens me why i have to talk to people who refuse to who don't care what the truth is who tell me who tell me deliberately that they know that what they believe is not really true but they're going to believe it anyway who say that these may be what the facts are but i prefer to believe this so that bothers me great conspiracy theory called christianity is harming the world and you're out to set people free in a very driven way i'm trying to be honest with people that the thing that irritates me the most about your religion is the fact that it's entirely based on lies that there's that everything you can say in defense of it absolutely every single thing qualifies as a lie in defense of your belief everything zero exceptions and there is nothing true about it that bothers me that's where somebody who loves truth and who only wants to believe things that are true it it it it it confuses me when i meet people like yourself who don't give a fuck what the truth is you're gonna believe the make believe that you know is not really true and lie about it on top of that that confuses me why would you do that just see truth differently 15 seconds or stewart the truth is what the facts are what we can confirm we're not not whatever else we might assume imagine beyond or instead of that all right hold on there that that is the realm of religion we that baseless speculation asserted as if it was a matter of fact that's your belief system we got more super chats pouring in the longer like i said you guys go so you better get on faster with those super chats it's not my fault all right stewart 15 seconds it's not my fault i was i don't like hen guys but i always want we just want to see you get mad at some point 10 seconds yeah i i respect that stewart's ship looks very much like my ship oh very nice i'm doing what i can indeed that ship has sunk yeah so we need to pop the cork on another one are we going to get through this tonight we're going to try uh i don't know what you it's like you said i'm trying to speed you guys along but you guys got a lot of things here you're thinking about hold on there i'm just kidding we're going this is gonna say you're making this worse stewart get down wit's it stewart wit's it gets 999 the first gulp from a glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist from the bottom of glass god is waiting for you arin when are you gonna finish your drink ah wit's it you're just being a troll i'm sorry wit's it i like you but you're being a bit trolly soul 499 oh solo 499 why is it reasonable somebody told me that i should debate wit's it gets it and i went and looked up i don't know two three things and i was convinced that wit's it doesn't get it like about anything and so i decided not i'm not qualified to get that person to help that they need well let's carry on then solo 499 why is it reasonable for atheists to require visual evidence when the apostles of jesus required visual evidence of the resurrection ah because you have seen because you saw evidence but blessed is he who has not seen and yet believed because we're selling a bullshit story and so you're not supposed to question us you're just supposed to shut up and believe whatever we tell you because we tell you that's what religions decree all right let's carry on from there um and yeah let's uh let's try to mitigate the super chats because we want to let everybody go at a good time all around uh trans oxy anna or trans oxy ania land above oxys is the latin name for the region and civilized located civilization located on lower central asia i'm not sure if we and wit's it gets it just proved that he doesn't get it so yeah aron literally agreed to debate with me until i suggested atheism versus creationism and i said but those are not those are not diametrically opposed there's not atheism versus creationism because there's atheism because you know there's atheism versus theism that's opposed but creationism is an extreme version of that and so wit's it gets it proved that he don't get it by trying to say that we know you have to have this extreme radical view or else and so i'm sorry that that's that's why i'll never debate wit's it gets it because he don't don't get it at all wit's it don't get it let's try not to talk too much about other people that aren't on the show right now but they're in the chat but i was gonna say that he's not on the show right now they're spewing their stupidity in the chat but i was gonna say we do debates on creation and evolution so i'm happy to do that but you know you can't get anybody with any accountability to debate me on that subject well let's let's see what we can do as far as the future goes yeah you know let's see that happen our our end is extending the invitation everybody there and i'd like to see it that'd be a lot of fun uh so this one from pc surgeon the original five dollars i'm not a fan of steward's mic uh yeah well that's fine you know you don't have to be a fan of it i can hear stewart great so charles schreiner five dollars frustrating to watch the uh an abundance of evidence get dismissed by not countering with their own evidence thanks aron for helping my deconversion we'll take that as a compliment and carry on from there thanks charles uh you know if you if you don't feel like you got enough out of this discussion i would just say you know go back two hours and you'll find all kinds of stuff uh el arant $1.99 aron okay then religions are part of evolution yeah yeah it's the embarrassing part of our you know like our uh our middle school years okay war boss five dollars canadian aron thank you for defending rationality and truth you're amazing well amazing indeed well war boss we love the uh the complimentary superchats there's a lot better than any diss tracks that we get al arant $1.99 aron atheism doesn't have objective morality no but we're the only ones who do all right al arant $1.99 stewart you are strawmaning yourself i'm not sure what that pertains to so let's just carry on fellas i'll read it because you know stewart's got a strong stomach for it it's not really too ad hominy but uh kent mcdonnell junior five dollars it's amazing that even when aron and gives a broad lesson on history of christianity and it's borrowing of other religions stewart shrugs it up any thoughts there oh you know if i come off as too defensive then it shows that i don't have a very strong faith or relationship with my god i'm sorry that was wrong well nye says four six six six all right we won't do any more on mating because my wife's trying to sleep next time aron raw and stewart are on can i get all three of you to dress as dr franken ferder we return to transylvania you have no idea how much you need to pay in super chats prepare the tractor beam yeah i was going to say yeah that's gonna have to go directly to honey if you want this you should have been here 40 years ago darling all right calm down what's it gets it 499 my actual question was doesn't the initial establishment of a jet of objective moral standard necessitate necessitate necessitate necessitate geez a pre-wet prerequisite of intention boys i'm having trouble because uh because i don't have my glasses on here hold on yeah i think you can make that out doesn't the initial establishment of an objective moral standard and necessitate a prerequisite of intention no for the reason i explained earlier like an hour ago all right like i said fellas there's lots of debate to go through so you know if you miss something go back i'm sure you'll find it uh lilith for $20 for a snake the truth teller well thanks lilith toy yota for $20 no question attached thanks for the $20 we appreciated in defense of the gospel 499 aron would you agree you wouldn't have morality you live by today without being raised in a christian household uh i would definitely disagree with that because it doesn't matter where i lived it doesn't matter what time period i lived in if i lived in a pre-christian time period i i think i would still have the same morality and it would not be christian all right all right christian christianity has can claim no part of my my my my my respect for humanity or truth all right well let's move on from there all around 499 steward western intelligent agencies overthrow two iranian regimes we also witnessed a miracle in taliban replacement with taliban for 2.3 trillion it's also kind of like a declaration so what do you think there it's getting late what's the point i'm not sure uh western intelligence agencies overthrow two iranian regimes yeah toy yota $20 steward next surgery you have your consciousness is in an antithesis oh my goodness antitheseologists hands we work hard to ensure you live your brain is 100 responsible for your consciousness end of story bra binius gauge look him up yeah but why would you bring him up because it's the same it's the same deal yeah but i'm just i'm just curious why would you bring up my argument in your defense because it's midnight and i'm switching to your side okay oh my goodness well yeah we did we didn't go go on like we gotta hurry because people are gonna pour in more stop for a walker five dollars most secular scholars don't even believe joseph's joseph of aria aramathia existed just for your information information just fi i'm sure and his name was josephus all right exit dissolve two dollars steward one eyewitness account of raised jesus not nine false fact you've been fact checked look at that you see a kid let's move on without east jason 83 stew what most influenced the growth of it christianity the miracle stories or its ethical system constantine pre-constantine there were thousands of christians and most constantine millions constantine took it on because it was so big it was smart political move it was a it was a smart strategic move to completely undermine and reverse christian teachings such that no longer were they in renunciates and pacifists now it suddenly becomes onward christian soldiers and prosperity gospel but don't forget he converts fortunately all right ele ron i'm gonna come uh you know consolidate your super chats here because a lot of your questions have already been answered here and i'm gonna ask uh arin uh over here from thomas garmin what is your favorite breed of snake oh um i i i have a couple of uh false water cobras behind me that i i i very much like i i love my my young female i i love her to death i i recently got a uh a reticulated python and i'm finding that they are not deserving of the reputation that they've had all right well you heard it here fellas that's uh that's the one uh he's calling out tonight yeah that could change uh sometimes so uh you know check in again coal beasley five dollars arin is my hero and reminds me of what billy bop thorton would look like with a mustache and long hair and the darkest beer imaginable cheers arin arin sorry thank you how far back on your on your uh super chats are you we're almost to the end here because uh are we really okay yeah ele ronde had a couple more super chats here but a lot of them uh are either just ad-homs or you know questions we've already answered so we're just gonna move on from them sorry ele ron i'm glad that people are paying for these because the ones that they haven't been paying for i've been seeing some really stupid shit in your chat i should just not look at the chat because i think you should because it seems it seems like you're having a great time with it i mean you know there's some dumb motherfuckers in your chat billy bob thorton i've got nothing over here i will just wait until the comments afterwards you know uh at least i haven't put myself on mute tonight everybody isn't that just great because last time i was on here with matt uh and uh trey i kept putting myself on mute which was a real pain in my butt so uh let's move on high flyer a flyer 499 maybe satan sent arin to pull us away from jesus just a thought well it would have been a good move if there if there was a satan and a jesus which of course i don't believe think about this because i made this argument at least a decade before almost two decades before i became a satanist myself i was arguing that the worst thing that satan ever did was try to reason with jesus and that and one of these stories you know jesus or satan takes jesus up to this tall mountain and he starts trying to negotiate with him in a way that is obviously suspiciously unbelievable these are not the sorts of things that a reasonable person would have said to jesus 10 seconds but i could see how the propaganda has played into this and if there was a real satan that he's trying to reason against faith and also from my understanding of of hashitan and the zoroastrian scriptures that anybody that tries to reason against faith becomes the satan and so that meant that i am satan and i figured that out 20 years ago before i joined the satanic temple all right well wait wait wait oh god seward's got some thoughts even so king david joe doubting thomas i know you like to pick on doubting thomas so maybe i shouldn't have said that one they are questioning god putting him in the dock non-stop for about what you combine those two books 250 chapters worth and god allows it most of the time like 90 yeah and then jesus comes in and says thou shalt not put the lord thy god to the test so that's thomas and the reason why he said that was because thomas had already received evidence from the disciples and so he had many opportunities and so now finally jesus is saying hey buddy it's time to stop doubting got plenty of evidence now take the leap all right but he criticized him he criticized him for asking for evidence no it wasn't that you've had enough evidence and now you should believe no you said blessed is he who has not seen and yet believe because we're looking for only credulous gulla believers in my church no no he never beats up on anybody when it comes except thomas directly well oh he's he's harder on his disciples but look at how he reinstates peter i mean peter didn't believe not only did not believe he was rejecting him completely we can have a lot of interesting conversations until i d convert you all right let's carry on listen to this real quick my buddy yesterday got unbaptized after i baptized him i didn't know that was a thing in the jewish synagogue i'm a little bit upset about it to be honest i got unbaptized a year ago i got unbaptized a year ago at but at the satanic temple event in uh in in the uh the idaho state capital in boise and then i recorded a number of unbaptisms uh last week in uh in washington state at the the the shan fut concerts where they were there was there was a big satanic gathering that was also going on the same thing there was a bunch of unbaptisms going on there and uh i got to record rebecca vitzman and her husband being unbaptized i was proud to be part of that all right well let's carry on everybody um although i have to complain that the way the satanists do the the unbaptism i still don't think is is correct or complete because it doesn't involve a blow dryer well let's carry on fellas uh that's good good thoughts on that robin webster uh five dollars please learn about urman if you wish to quote him he has a course on how the gospels are anonymous and some versions of the bible says so yep yes yes that's exactly right my point was bartho does not hold that in a dogmatic way look at his debate with um peter williams peter j williams in no way is he like they are anonymous he thinks they probably are but in no way is he dogmatic about it okay but how what's the difference if he thinks they're probably anonymous meaning we don't have any any means of identifying an author for these and i agree with him we don't have a way of identifying and no reason to assume an author's name like you erroneously do then how was it dogmatic because the burden of proof still remains on you guys and you having you for assuming no you know who the author is nobody knows who the author is you're the one pretending that you know we don't know therefore burden of proof all on you know the definition of burden of proof is i know that christians hate nothing more than the burden of proof but it's because you keep making these empty ass assertions of impossible absurdity that you can't back up email bart email bart and we'll see who's right it's all i got okay okay all right let's hear me the exact question because i want this in documentation i can email bart and i will but i want the exact question documented from you i will quote that exact question when i send it i like that's funny the skeptic when it came to this just like i'm a healthy skeptic on this whole debate topic that's why people wait wait wait you you don't get to believe credulous shit for no evidence and then claim to be a skeptic why people say hey he's one step away from atheism because you don't get to believe make believe credulous bullshit with no evidence whatsoever and then pretend to be a skeptic you don't get to do that well i'm not gonna allow it well you and daniel denett are two of the only brights in this world self-proclaimed brights and i need to get there and i'll get there i do not self-proclaim as a bright nor do i think that denett does i bet he's a brilliant man i love him all his books that's all written in his books all right we're gonna try to read we're gonna try to read all the super chats over five dollars to get these blacked out and already i already said aleronte uh you know most of the questions that you asked there like massive respect for taking care of the i haven't read any of the books of the so-called new atheists i haven't read any of them i read scientific articles and that's almost exclusively what i read is scientific stuff i have read a handful of of of of course the comparative religious mythologies and i've read some analyses of those but i don't like going into non i don't like going into fiction so i prefer to read science so if daniel denett or richard dockins or sanham or saris or whoever had published something i didn't read it so i don't know what they said i don't worship anybody as i've pointed out before all right well let's carry on with the super chats and now you heard it here at iron says he doesn't worship anybody so uh you know and then some asshole calls me a hypocrite for not being hypocritical don't worry about the old super chat there's all kinds of people in there and there are several things uh bender is great uh says for 699 canadian not really on topic uh but does iron listen to uber heavy music something like cannibal corpse or does he get into anything heavier uh not super heavy i have listened to decapitated what was it oh man i'm trying to remember uh decapitated what the fuck i can't remember the name decapitated the cat cat cannibal or cattle decapitation something like but i listen to serious xm when i do it's always on the um the extreme metal channel and i don't have a lot of time unfortunately unless i'm driving someplace i wish that i had more pop culture references uh my favorite band at the moment is in this moment uh and of course ginger uh and and kubla con and it is it is cattle decapitation and that that is i i do appreciate them i do like that sort of music it makes me feel nice if that makes any fucking sense oh yeah well i was gonna say i mean i i feel kind of uh once again out of place because i don't know any of those bands there because most of the i like amon amar said it's the same kind of shit all the time and i i feel like i've kind of been there like 30 years ago well for the sake of fun uh stewart what's your favorite band oh i don't know if i'm gonna be a little cliche mumpered in the suns oh nice no as i say yet i don't know for me there's sometimes toss up between like queen and deo and judas priest and uh i don't know there's there are you a look there's are you i've seen i've seen alice cooper uh motley crew black sabbath ozzy osbourne i've seen i've seen all of the judas priest i've seen their farewell concert three times oh yeah he keeps saying farewell and then you know comes back for more ozzy's done more farewells ozzy keeps doing farewell judas priest keeps doing farewell i've seen their farewell concert like three times each no that means you wonder in 2000 years will they say it was a resurrection a resurrection of ozzy osbourne well let me tell you what i what i noticed you know what i what i what i noticed back in the day i could go to the concert for 15 dollars and pay dollar drafts back in the 80s i paid 144 and then i go to see priest this was to see ozzy and judas priest but then in the last decade i would go to see ozzy and judas priest and it would be 150 dollars and 10 dollar drafts so everything got 10 times more expensive but nobody's making 10 times as much money no i hear that i like i just said i spent 144 bucks to go see judas priest uh it was a great show good show though wasn't it oh my god he can scream that was amazing he's still going uh 0 499 uh that was his question there so uh thanks for that ryan for 20 i have seen judas priest so many times just in the last five years since they announced the retirement i've seen oh nice my old band we used to be able to rip through a really hard judas priest song called tyrant uh it's a really old priest and it's a really hard song to play in a band because it just changes all the time so my favorite priest song you stitch me up good then you cut me down burn it up you hang around yeah exactly i love that but yeah keep me winning it's not part of the song it's not part of their tour anymore what the the one that that really gets me is the sentinel i always i go waiting to hear the sentinel and there was one tour where they didn't play the sentinel and i felt so rejected uh yeah they yeah as i say the sentinel there's a live of it online and it's really wicked but uh yeah that's one of the i got firepower here on vinyl and i've got um uh killing machine which is the album you just referenced and one of the songs i really want to do is delivering the goods i was actually trying to get sony to give us the rights to that for this show uh and and emailing them and being a real butt because i was like that'd be so sick you are a complete freak i know young man thank you i want to go to a show with you yeah rock on it's good it's good i was gonna say i'm hoping to be down in texas actually to scream and shout at people that'd be a lot of fun uh one of these times i'll be down here for one of the live appearances give me give me a heads up because there's a number of shows we could do oh that's fun i'm always always interested in that uh so yeah twenty dollars uh credit when credit is due stewart your ability uh your ability you come lost debates is impressive you're just being rude for twenty dollars ryan and a fellow ryan you're just telling stewart that he lost you know i think everybody won here tonight because we're all having a good time for me ryan i'm just told ryan to bring it and i like it like the edginess no being nice on here yeah it's nice of these if it's all about evolutionary theory then niceness is weakness and should be the superman niches superman and we should live for ourselves and ourselves should be god well gosh that sounds familiar that reminds me of what i read in mine comp when when adolf hitler adamantly denounced uh evolution uh yeah i was gonna say that i thought that took a little turn 499 uh sorry 49 99 thank you so much uh w m x 99 first time catching you live my eight-year-old wanted to ask you why you guys are up so late why are we up so late my goodness these guys wanted to talk that's what it ended up being that was a deeper guys including the rest of the question says great show and demonstration on both sides on how to use thinking critical thinking skills and how to not use critical thinking skills so um it's you know what you're enigmatic i have no idea who that's for so we're just going to say that's a win for everybody once again um eloran once again uh check the rest of the debate i think your questions will be answered mutt mutt keep children away from any religions comments up to a minute there fellas no thoughts all right john carter five dollars stewart are you educated and if so why you are partaking in the tree of knowledge the ultimate sin wait say that again stewart are you educated and if so why are you partaking in the tree of knowledge because that's the ultimate sin yeah most of the end god gave us god gave us total freedom other than one thing sounds like good parenting actually you don't want to give free license to everything to children and so there was guidelines but we thought that we knew better than god but not only that we thought god did not have his best for us and we needed to have our own best for us so we worshiped ourselves because you have to worship something because you don't have to worship anything we know what happens when there's ultimate freedom and in this country the only moral objective really in terms of what everybody thinks is right is everybody should have ultimate freedom and if you look at every psychological study that it's not that case a single child is struggling because we're always we're we're leaning toward what is best for society and stewart demands anxiety it's through the roof this representing the atheist position divorce increase increase depression increase suicide increase lack of forgiveness increase would go with divorce except that we're all i'm the one that's advocating for a forgiveness increase and his belief system doesn't even allow for that so will you just quit lying i'm just giving the stats i'm not making a case you're just lying that's all you're doing for either closing out i'm i that that's all you're doing you're just lying misrepresenting my position stating things that are not actual period no no no this is just i'm talking about freedom right now no you're not all right well let's carry on there fellas uh truth powers dollar 99 iron ever tried debating matt on hard atheism who's matt i think they mean matt dilahunty on hard atheism why why would i debate matt on hard atheism well maybe you go truth powers that's uh that's my iran's thoughts about that five dollars from zero hate no no question attached thanks for that uh in defense of the gospel iron if they were selling a bs story why were all the early christians martyred for what they were proclaiming peter was crucified upside down because he didn't feel worthy to die like christ stay good again so they're asking why people would die for the story so iron if you were selling a bs story why were all the early christians martyred for what they were proclaiming peter was crucified upside down because he didn't feel worthy to die like christ because we don't know that any of that happened all of the almost all of that is propaganda like the shit that we listen to on most of our news today except all except there are so many non christian sources that talked about it too okay i would over get we're getting an awful lot of propaganda enemy attestation okay like what again like let's just go with akam's razor on this one okay like i'm pretty sure that they were dying so we could say maybe they hallucinated even go with one of the naturalists but i don't know if it's just and so we have a number of zealots who cut their own balls off so that they could catch the comet hail bop in the 1990s and so that proves that hail bop is real no it's no no no no oh of course not my my example doesn't prove your point i i get it i get it they knew all right to be so when people do stupid shit in defense of their religion if it doesn't count unless it's christianity so we can come up with a number of different examples from different religious would you like to hear a number of different examples of crazy stupid shit people did to torture themselves over their different beliefs that were not christianity does it just not matter unless it's christianity this isn't even in the realm of the debate of course let's tie that back in with this question here zero eight five dollars is morality subjective i'll kick it over to you steward no objective really there has to be a shunt really and i think how do you get objective morality gotta be connected to some type of spiritual realm i would say wait but of course it can't be because there's no such thing so how do you get to a an objective morality well from a materials perspective i would just say the shooter should go scotch-free because maybe they were brought up in a bad home except that i as i already explained twice earlier in this show the source the one real source for our morality is the fact that we are a social species and so we have to rely on our being able to cohabitate productively and stand by our word and show empathy for our family friends and fellows i did explain this to you twice and you don't have a means of objective morality all you have is this asshole pretending to speak for god who's an obvious liar is then using his subjective opinion to speak for god's subjective opinion you don't have an objective morality you don't have a way to know whether something is moral or not i do and so i can judge your bible and your god is both being immoral i believe i told us to do it 30 seconds because objective morality has to do with all gods not the christian god no no it has no it's all to do with gods it has to do with people jesus christ as it has to do with people we the one our magic imaginary friends well let's do it close this one out so we can carry on there because we got a few more we've only got three more but still let's uh let's do it oh my gosh we got an actual number steward there's a there's a light at the tunnel there is holy light we're yeah exactly right we're gonna i may not need to get another beer but i'm gonna well you go ahead and do that um i've i've i've run out that's fine uh you know that's that's good for me um aren't stepped out so i did say we're only gonna ask questions over five dollars to close this out um but aren't are you a fan of nirvana yes or no no no not feeling to me either i i i never really was a big fan either myself i was into that prettier prettier metal and i don't know grunge closest i came to the liking nirvana was liking weird alley incubate a heartless carry on uh le le hair says for five dollars if there's no promise of reward and no threat of punishment would steward still worship his god yes why because it's more about the relationship with him that is about the value of the magic imaginary friend carrot or a stick all right let's not i'm sorry i didn't get an answer to my question go ahead you're not the one asking the questions here i i did just ask a question no you're an hour you're an hour behind me it's only 1112 there okay it is it is 112 here all right go ahead i've gotten the look from my wife like twice but that's okay she's she's crashed out now sorry tori all right she hates when i say that 50 believe me my wife is gonna have words for me too why did you let this go on so long i get it well that's all right you know i i i got into a little uh car accident in my wife's car there a few weeks ago and the guy that i got in the car accident with was driving his wife's car as well that's why i drive a road warrior car separate from my wife boy we were all in trouble we were all in trouble with our wives on that day tough thick last super chat if you throw any more in the super chats i'm not going to read them because we got to let these guys go $50 steward why would god use fear in order for humans to obey him it kind of contradicts the idea of an all-loving god even if he gave us free will there are still better ways to show love than fear yeah it's called justice justice shows love if you don't have justice you don't have any form of love just like r and i were talking about earlier you have to have some type of judgment for these people who have not had a fair shake in life everybody wants that i hope there is one maybe aren's right maybe there is no judgment day and all those ladies with all the corrective surgeries who've i've had to counsel over the years it was just a tough shake and their husbands beat them to almost a death and they win and their husband to get off scout free all right i wish that that were not the case but it is and then frankie p says no proof of evolution uh yeah there is and i'm not lying i can bring it but you can't fucking coward sorry i shouldn't be dealing with your chat it's all right there and you're allowed to have fun with this uh this program anyway you'd like to and i'm glad you are so uh arin uh you know if you got a up to one minute well i'm going to let you close out on your thoughts on our conversation is christianity true and hit that like button anybody who hasn't uh we're past our six six six uh bruce dickinson didn't appear uh to sing any songs so i'm sorry about that guys i know the fact that there is no god is kind of an impediment to christianity being true the fact that jesus was an idiot first century faith healer and fraud is another problem uh and then i think we kind of just stop there the fact that there's no supernatural there's no mind body dualism there is no soul even in the original version of christianity where the christianity just has people just getting up being undead i guess in a zombie apocalypse kind of uh sort of a state none of that has any truth to it at all neither does any of the old testament that jesus constantly refers to we know that the flood never happened the tower of babel never happened adam and eve never happened all of that is absolute bullshit um it's a real problem that we've had to waste so much of our western culture pursuing these idiocies these esops fables that we know that there's no truth to any of it it's disturbing to me and that that and that the belief system not only requires that you make believe things that are not true but that you reject things that are true that's probably the bigger problem that i and it's the thing that i have the biggest problem with where people will tell me will admit to me that they don't care what the truth is they're gonna believe what they want to believe that's the biggest damn problem all right well thank you iron for your closing statement there and stewart up to a minute there your closing thoughts on our discussion this evening on is christianity true i just think you know why was it that jesus was able to get the jewish the jewish people really around him to believe that he was god like how could you have over the unthinkability of that well why did he succeed as the only person who ever claimed deity and also founded a major indeed the largest movement and religious faith the first answer is that this life must have been exquisitely beautiful that he had the greatness we get a glimpse in the gospels must have been smitten those around him it is extraordinarily difficult to claim to be perfect and divine and then to get the people who actually live with you to believe it but jesus did just that that's why christianity is true all right well thank you and thank you iron raw and stewart for coming out here tonight and having this discussion and thank you to everybody in the live chat that kept themselves friendly and to those who didn't well you know what we think of you you know get wracked so that's fun we'll see you next time everybody a modern day debate and you know maybe i'll put on the solo maybe i'll put on a song of me singing i don't know it's fine i got all kinds of stuff here thanks iron and stewart again big round of applause a virtual round of applause for our speakers and we will see you next time cheers everyone


Welcome folks, we have the down industrialist finished down 275, Nazarkoff 31, S&P's down 21, Gold. Gold contract down $12.30, trading at 2,041 an ounce. We had Silver down 36 cents, $22.43 an ounce, Light Sweet Fruit up 54 cents, $72.82 a barrel, notes and bonds. A 10-year note down 276, trading $110.25, the 30-year down a full point, plus $26.00 at $120.03, and $king dollar, $king dollar up $527.00, trading $104.449, Euro 107, yen $148, British pound $125.00 to one US dollar. We get over and take a look at the S&P's folks, and you still have a rejection of lower price. You rejected $490.00 out here today, $490.23, you did 68 million shares traded, we did, what is that? Yeah, it's done 95, yeah it's 95 million shares on Friday. You're coming into, it's even heavier than actually, yeah you're coming, so look at this, you're coming into 128 million shares, didn't get down that far. That would have been at $489.08, but you can see you push higher, take a swing point out with volume, today what do we do? Goes lower, rejects $490.23, finishes out at $492.55. We go into the NDX100, we take a look at the NDX100, same type of setup, meaning you went higher with volume on Friday, you pulled back today, you rejected $425.00, Friday we had $69 million, today you did $38.00, you rejected the $425.00, you closed out at $428.00, that's a market that also wants higher price. Now the mindblower of all of this is that this is a market that wants higher price when the dollar is doing a counter trend bounce. Now the dollar looks like it wants to go to this .618, we're getting very close to it, yeah right next to it actually. So the .618, we made it to 104.604 today, we closed that 104.454, well it's the 104.800 level, and when you get a strong dollar like this and the market still holds up, that's telling you higher prices are coming at us. Have a great one folks, have a safe one. Come back and visit Tommy tomorrow morning, kicks us off at 9am, great show folks.