I think the community has kind of developed really around David because I know David started his path on his own, just he and Jesus travel alone and go to homes wherever he was invited and go to course groups wherever he was invited and then when people started to go around David and saying I want to live with you it wasn't like David said I want to start a spiritual community it didn't start like that it was people came to him saying I'm your students I want to learn from you and I actually want to live with you 24 seven and people started to just start to form around you with properties and different things that was the start and I really feel that is important because because from the very beginning this is a very clear focus that we are not leading the way with a plan or idea of how it's going to look because the whole purpose is we are going to be shown this whole life on earth in time and space if we're going to use be if that's going to be used to undo our entanglement or believe in time and space we have to be shown and we cannot really sort out the plan from within within this realm of mind so so this is how it got started David was clueless and it's like okay a community is coming and people are living around and and he just continued to travel you know continue to travel and certain people say I want to travel with you so it just started like that and more and more people came to live in a base where whether he travels away or not they just settled there so I think then gradually a monastery living miracle monastery was donated by Suzanne in Utah United States that's where the first wave of volunteers came to support and I remember I was probably among that wave when we just got the monastery it just opened and I came and it was the same I didn't really come to to live in community at all I just finished a long retreat with David in Australia they all left and I really was looking at my life and how I was not myself I could not really follow my calling so I was really looking at all the situations and decided to make some make some changes and I made the biggest change which was I was going to leave my marriage because I couldn't really be truthful to myself if we're gonna stay together there was so that was the biggest but I was terrified after I made that decision I was so terrified that I I texted David and he was probably still have one more day in Australia then he was gonna go I texted David I said I did this and then he said to come down where we are which was few hours away from Sydney and just be with us for a day because they were leaving the next day so I went down and I felt so bad in my heart just like the dark dark uncertainty about what did I what have I done what was gonna happen at the end of the day just couldn't stand it I just said can I just spend some time with you just a few minutes just to sit down because I was just trembling and then he said welcome to visit us in Utah so I thought okay thank God I have a next step and I didn't come in until I made a huge move so when when I went to Utah I was only thinking of three months that's the only time I could stay in the United States three months and I thought by the end of the three months I would finish my mind training it was it was just taking you know it's three months mind showing that's a long time so that's that's that was probably nine years ago when I came so that's that's really and I believe that was a lot of the you know we were in the same situation with a lot of the people who came together in that time week we felt called to receive mind training that was really the only purpose we went there for no it's not our life it was it was not intention to to do anything except just for ourselves so gradually I think it just continued on continued on one thing after the next because because Spirit kept giving me new assignments and new hard opening and life opening and mind opening experiences so I felt like I was expanding expanding expanding there was nowhere else that I needed to go because I felt like even though I was living in the community I wasn't really living in one place I was continuously expand and feel like the community expanded with me together so we were like just that's that's the experience but the purpose is so important because if we go to a place and feel we're gonna make something out of it in terms of goals in time and space then that is actually the total opposite of awakening and that is not gonna work it's gonna be a huge compromise of our calling so so you know you can imagine for we have people who come from different parts of the world and at any given time the size already always varies you know from year to year sometimes we have a lot of people all of a sudden sometimes we have a very small group and people come from you know one week one month to just indefinite we we we really don't know but it was just orchestrated but I do say that David kept the purpose very very pure because it's very tempting to mix intentions and purpose with the moment you get into daily life get daily living and with group of people and we're talking about daily things talking about projects you know when we do a retreat we don't say whatever the result you know if it happens it happens if it doesn't happen doesn't happen no when we when we receive the prompt to put a retreat it is happening because there is an integrity underneath it if spirit said this is what we're gonna put out and what we're gonna do we take steps very very specific steps and we're not like who knows we don't know let's see there is actually a difference so so when we come together there there are a lot of projects like this daily day in and day out so it's all kind of feeling the same as living anywhere in the world actually in terms of how it looks but the only difference which is a huge difference is the purpose is very very single and the moment temptations come up to mix the purpose and to split the purpose or change the purpose it gets written out pretty quickly because it held you know very very sturdy from David and from everybody's intentions so yeah I really just feel it's it's important we cannot talk about spiritual communities and how we live without talking about what is truly the foundation of it because if we talk about what we do and how we do things it's not really the message it's not the picture you know the only reason that we are living together is because of the purpose and the only reason that we seem to be able to to continue on and advance in our spiritual awakening is because of this purpose and the only reason that I can share with you today and all of us can have anything to share is just because of this purpose that's really there's nothing else to share except that so yeah so having said that then we can talk a little bit more about the specifics yeah and I just also want to to lay the context when you put the purpose out front to forgive it is like you're handing over all attention concern worry about outcomes in the world we're not talking about advocating a certain way of living when you when I think community I think purpose when I think community actually I think communion with the Holy Spirit I think communion with Jesus is what I'm thinking of I mean holy communion not taking bread and not from the Catholic system or the church system but but being in alignment and sharing the same prayer and letting the spirit guide and that means giving over the concern for the form and saying you give me if there's a word I need to speak you give it to me somebody I need to meet I'm happy you you tell me how or you bring them to me if I'm supposed to travel somewhere then let's do it you be you in charge it's not about the boxes that I talked about at the beginning category statuses boxes you know I would I would rather have communion with you than have a status in the world I would rather have communion with you spirit rather than be identified with a with a country you know that's John Lennon again imagine imagine there's no country I wonder if you can there that's what this Holy Spirit was telling me the same thing that John was sharing in his song imagine there's no country that's an artificial construct you know American and German Australian you know it's like and languages you know those those are artificial you know there's a language of the heart there's a language of of the of the unified mind there's a language of the spirit and it takes us into this divine silence where we just are perfect you know it's just isn't this there's nothing there's not even words in that pure being this so all I wanted to do is say you guide my words you guide my interactions you guide everything it's all yours and that's why we are not advocating a particular form I could not advocate advocate a form when the parable of David has been filled with so many different forms I mean after I received a course of miracles in 1986 it was very intimate but it was so intimate that I would just pop it open as like an oracle I would pray have a question pop it open get my answer it happened over and over month after month and then Jesus said I can do it with watch we do it with the radio too pray ask your question now you're in your car turn the radio on oh my god he said no see that sign over there oh let's go to the library you don't even need a course of miracles I'll pray ask your question walk through the rows of the library I'll tell you where to stop you reach up you pull the book open you pop it open oh oh it was like okay I see I see you're in charge you I pray for the answer and you're gonna give it to me in in a song on the radio and somebody speaking to me in the billboard I mean it's gonna come flooding into me if that's my prayer to be shown to be guided to be led I'm not limited by the course I mean it's gonna come everywhere and so for me that's the purpose and the purpose goes in line with the with the prayer of the heart I'm more interested in all of us praying together and not praying together just with words but getting in like we're on the same channel we're all tuned in our our minds are all connected to the same purpose so it's like a dance like we had last night imagine your daily life being like that dance that we experienced so spontaneous so just joyful so happy not a care in the world we're just swaying and moving and running and we're being it's like played with the spirit you know we're just we're just totally to me that's what community is that's what communion is and and then another line from imagine that song imagine no possessions I wonder if you can well we're not into ritualistically trying to say okay you no possessions no possessions because we know that possessions are in the mind right the ego is the possessive part of the mind but if you start to trust and you start to flow and let the spirit orchestrate things then you start to realize that everything in this world is a backdrop I'm not advocating a certain way that people should be or a certain form because in 1991 I said okay Jesus what's next and you've heard of like maybe the Aborigines in Australia Marla Morgan's book of when she goes on walkabout in the in the abridge well Jesus says we're going to do a little drive about and I said okay I don't have a car he said well I'll take you to you know we'll go to the car dealership and you've got how much money okay we'll get you a look he got me a little gold three cylinder little was really good the price of gas back in 1991 was very cheap and he got me a three cylinder car which could pretty much run on fumes I very rarely had to fill the car up I'd fill it up and then drive across states across the United States could go for miles and miles and miles on this little thing and Jesus said yeah we're going a little drive about and actually that drive about actually lasted five years that's the thing with Jesus leading the way you just you know you think you're going on a trip and it's a trip it's a mind trip we're going on a trip he didn't really tell Helen Shuckman what was coming he didn't tell Judy he never tells any of us where it's going because we'll get too frightened but he just gives us little morsels like breadcrumbs here you go just follow the breadcrumbs that's all just the next breadcrumb that's all you got to focus on here the next breadcrumb so he took me out for someone who didn't even like to travel yeah on a five-year trip that really washed that one away and then I was taken in and met these people all over I had so many miracles and that was the form that initially it took after just reading the book studying the book using the book as an oracle and being very devotional I didn't even know of course groups at the beginning I didn't even know there was such a thing as course of miracle groups all I know is I was having a very deep intimate experience with Jesus and that was all I needed I didn't even have to think about groups and then when I started traveling around for five years I met a lot of people in groups some groups welcomed me in I went to one group a course group and they had a set of bylaws and and they had to take a vote whether I could speak at the group and I was like whoa and Jesus like I'm teaching you to be present with me you do not need to be concerned about rules and groups and everything like this stay with me that's the goal here uh don't judge anything I was invited one year to to a conference um where I was going to be a speaker and the minister set up a session with the whole group where it was myself and another minister and another minister holding a stopwatch and I was like okay never seen this one well the guy the minister with the stopwatch would give like the first person like a minute or two minutes to speak and then time and then there would be like it was set up like a political debate except this was about spiritual awakening and enlightenment so I remember talking David you can go somebody asked a question from the audience about enlightenment I would get talking talking talking and then in mid sentence and so one of the most important things to remember as you're on your spiritual journey is ding time Jesus closed my mouth on time even if I was in mid sentence because that was the format that was given and I was not to try to buck the format I was to be there in happiness and joy and stay attentive and if that was the rule that was given then I would stop right on the stopwatch well there was some people in the audience that were quite upset and there's a lot of people shaking things all kinds of things going on and this went on until finally I said I know Jesus is going to have some fun with this uh because he always does he's so playful he uses anything to to make it playful and joyful this went on for some time finally my time to speak I was speaking and I was speaking and it went on in a joyful way and the guy holding the minister holding the stopwatch was not was not stopping me I was way beyond the time until the other minister said hey hey hey hey what's going on here David is way over time he interrupted the whole thing this is not great you know what's going on and then the minister with the stopwatch said I know David mentioned my name in his answer I felt to give him as long as he wanted to speak with a total straight face he says well the whole audience burst into laughter the minister next to me burst into laughter the minister with the stopwatch and everybody was bursting with it because Jesus was playing with the time idea showing us we don't need to be so attached to time and rules and I I always know Jesus is going to use whatever the situation is for lightness for joy for happiness as long as I have no investment in anything I can experience it with Jesus but if I have an investment of the outcome based on time beliefs or expectations whatever then I'm not going to be happy I'm gonna gonna be stirred up so that's part of what we focus on so much it's not just a group of people spending time together but it's it's the purpose it's the prayer underneath that is so important


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Suicide is one of the hardest things to deal with. Not just for the person considering suicide, but for the people surrounding that individual. Often, people who observe suicidal behavior from someone they love become very concerned and even disturbed at what they're saying, but it's very important not to let your shock overwhelm you. Instead of focusing on the sadness of the situation, there are many things you could do to help these suicidal individuals. 1. Don't ask too many questions. In 2010, a study was done on the rising suicide rates in Japan, an area which has a massive problem with people taking their own lives. It found that asking too many questions can sometimes cause a negative reaction in suicidal people. Could this just be due to Japanese culture, or is this an indicative of a more widespread trait when it comes to suicide people all over the world? It would make sense for this to apply to all people, because the feeling of being interrogated with many questions is never fun. Because of the shock of finding out someone is suicidal, it can be tempting to bombard them with constant questions, but a more effective technique is to start slow, just letting the person know you're there to help at first. 2. Don't give them false hope. Another very interesting study was done in India, another country that is suffering from increased suicide rates. They found that giving the person false hope can be a disastrous decision. Although you might feel that making unreasonable promises to the person might convince them not to commit suicide, it actually causes the opposite effect.  Although it might be tempting to say things like, everything is going to be okay. Take a second to think what you're saying. Is everything really going to be okay? As this study suggests, a better option might be to employ a more realistic approach. 3. Don't try to relate. The same study as mentioned before also found that trying to relate to the suicidal person can be a bad decision. You have to understand that in the minds of suicidal people, no one understands what they're going through. Even if you have contemplated suicide in the past and feel like you've gone through the exact same thing, don't try to relate your own experiences to what they're going through. The suicidal person will most likely reject this advice because they believe it does not apply to them. Instead, focus on trying to listen to them and trying to understand their own unique circumstances as best you can. 4. Use their own belief system to convince them. The same study as previously mentioned provides one more great piece of advice. Researchers revealed that you can help suicidal people choose life by learning about their personal beliefs and using them to convince the person not to commit suicide. If they believe in a specific religion, use teachings from that religion to convince them about the value of life. If they believe in nothing at all, you can use that to convince them as well by saying things like, you only live once. Why not make the most out of it? 5. Encourage them to see a professional. One of the best things to do, if not the best thing to do to help suicidal people, is to encourage them to see a mental health professional. That's not to say you should refuse to help them, telling them to get help and walk away. That would not go down well. What you can do is let them know that you're there for them, listen carefully, and then encourage them to get help.  6. Take them seriously. There has been a huge tendency to dismiss the validity of suicidal tendencies throughout the years. People often say things like, they're just doing it for attention, or they'll never actually go through it with it. This is perhaps the worst outlook you could take when it comes to suicidal people. You have to take them seriously. If no one pays attention to them or displays any concern, this might actually push them further towards suicide. It makes them feel alone. Studies have shown that the vast majority of people who have committed suicide displayed warning signs before taking their own lives. In addition, a study in Finland found that 10% of people who committed suicide saw a health professional within 24 hours of taking their own lives. 7. Try not to seem fake. Something that really causes a negative effect when it comes to dealing with people contemplating suicide is when you appear too fake. As previously mentioned, it's important you take these people seriously, but this doesn't mean turning yourself into something you're not. Be yourself.  They will see right through your fictimeter. This might cause a negative effect, creating a sense of increased dissolution in their view of the world around them. An example of this would be adopting a babying, almost patronizing approach to these people, speaking softly to them as if they were a small child. But there are many other ways you can appear fake when it comes to interacting with suicidal individuals. 8. Encouraging participation in culture. Recently, Canada, Finland, and other countries situated around the Arctic Belt embarked on an ongoing study to tackle the growing problem of suicide among the people living in the far north. The vast majority of these people are part of Aboriginal groups, such as the Inuit in Canada and the Sami in Finland, societies with growing suicide epidemics. Although this strategy was specifically tailored towards Inuit people, it can be applied to people all over the world. When they encourage these people to participate in their own culture, such as singing traditional songs, creating traditional arts and crafts, and generally doing things typical to their traditional culture, they reduce the risk of suicide. Perhaps this helps because the suicidal people feel like they belong to a larger collective. Thus, their sense of loneliness is lessened. They suddenly feel like they belong to part of the community and a culture that has spanned multiple generations behind them. This strategy could definitely be applied to the general population. Traditional culture is not something we experience on a day-to-day basis, especially if we live in a big city. Certain countries also seem devoid of culture these days, especially nations like America and Canada, who are relatively young countries. They don't have centuries of tradition, like many nations in Europe. Would it help if we began to actively promote our ethnic cultures? The resultant Inuit societies seem to suggest so. 9.  Indeed, it's one of the biggest warning signs of people who might commit suicide in the future. These people might say that they're about to see dead loved ones again, or that they wish they could see dead family members again. When people can't properly work out the grieving process, they turn to drastic measures, including suicide. They feel it's the only way out, or the only way they'll ever see that person again. If you think this might be the root case of their suicidal thoughts, bring it up. If you encourage them to address it, they might be able to finally come to terms with it and move on. 10. Stop Them From Taking Certain Prescription Drugs There is also a huge problem with suicides in the military, specifically the U.S. Army. The rates are so alarming that multiple studies have tried to look into this problem and figure out how to tackle it. In 2012, one of them found that one factor contributing to suicidal behavior was a reliance on certain prescription drugs, specifically opioids. We've seen it again and again. TV commercials that sell these drugs and slip in the disclaimer at the end, which says this might result in suicidal thoughts. While the study was done through the military, it applies to all people. If you know someone who is suicidal and they take certain prescription drugs, most notably opioids, it might be a good idea to get them to stop, or at least bring up the fact that their medication might be the reason they're suicidal. Do you have any tips that can help suicidal individuals? Let us know in the comments below. If you like this video, be sure to check out our other social media for more content. And we'd like to announce that Psych2Go has now opened a Patreon. Check it out if you want to support our channel. And don't forget to subscribe. Thanks for watching.


Welcome. This is Melissa Armo. The stock swishing and reviewing amat. This is working One of those bizarro bizarro mornings here today Why because I'm isn't a trading up and didn't get out a critical part of taking it picking is also getting out So I don't think I was a pig about the target in the in the cross I'll go over that a next in the next video But amats bringing it around back on the day I also did an ad and this was very aggressive target on this if you're short in this 35 35 25 35 30 So I think this goes and drops snug as a bug in a rug right into here And this is pulling me around in the day, but really I was up on crest So I'll go over that in different video It is important to not only take trades with good entries But but get out and I am very good at getting out for some reason today I don't know I just thought it would continue faster than it did Long story short call this trade very very very very late right in here And then I said do the do the ad right in here and then it's pushing all the way down now You can scale out of this if you want because it did have a move if particularly if you did the ad But I do think that this has a possibility of continuing But I am watching it like a hawk the question is when will continue how long will it take till noon till 2? Again, I'm looking for the move drop down right in here snug as a bug in a rug And because I think that it is weak and I believe that's gonna follow through I think it will just continue to drop and I do think we have the market with us today There's a potential the QQQ's drop rate fall the spy is already read again The market is not going anywhere higher right here today We gap down and wasn't a gap down in the market that I would short But I definitely don't think the market flips today So if you were in aim at let it drop let it ride if you did the ad you're being very aggressive But if you took the stop with me and crust and that's what you had to do some people to get out with profit I will review that in the next video. Good luck everyone in aim at if you did it I like it it's dropping you can be tight with it now If you want you can bar by bar it or you just let it on ride because it could take a little bit longer to get all The way down to the number we're talking about I think we could see some kind of sell off it with the market here Remember tomorrow the markets close so you got to be very very careful But I think we could see selling into the closure of the market on Wednesday And then we'll see where the gap in the market is by Thursday morning here This goes this is gonna drop right down to 36. All right. Good luck everyone that did it. Have a good day


Well the Yankees bounce back 5-1 win against the Mets after falling last night in the late innings and David the obvious headline is going to be Domingo Herman who really look great coming off the I.L. Well he did the confidence was there the swagger was back and the control to me was the key and on our our scouting report we talked about command and control. He had them both you know control was throwing strikes command is hitting the corners and he really did no walks five strikeouts 80 pitches and then 58 of those were strikes. So couldn't have gone any better for the Yankees staff and what Herman gave them tonight and you think about the infield tonight Paul both offensively and defensively. You look at the production from Urshela in the field and at the plate Torres as well and Gregorio staying hot. Well again the good deed he's starting to swing the bat. There's no doubt about it. They're back in a hit and home runs but you know defense is a huge part of this game and sometimes it gets overlooked but they have made some great plays in this series and Urshela can just continues to do things. Torres is playing good defense right now the Yankees are pretty much playing good baseball and Paul you talked about it at the end of the broadcast. Here you have an opportunity going to play the race for four games to give yourselves even more separation going into the All-Star break. Yeah you don't want to go back right before. I mean you're going you're going down there for four games they're looking at is an opportunity to really get back in this from the Yankees point of view you go down you hold court go to the All-Star break but at least the lead you have right now. Coney how hard is that final series before the All-Star break to stay on task. Well it is it's been a tough schedule for the Yankees. Obviously the London trip is as good as that was for the game and they won two games from the Red Sox. That's a lot to ask but the good news is you've got a rested pitching staff. Sabatheon extra rest is good for him. So actually those sandwich days off before and after the London trip has had them reset their rotation so they should be good to go for that four game set.


Thank you everyone for joining us. We're going to kick off the webinar now. It's my pleasure to welcome you to this chat. We're joined by Michelle Dickinson and Ron Warrom, and it's a chance for us to hear more about their stories of connecting more with New Zealand. They're both people that have been in New Zealand for a while, but they came came from offshore, and it's a chance for us to hear about their experiences of settling and innovating from New Zealand. Hey, Michelle and Rod, do you want to just say a brief hi? We'll come back in more depth in a bit later, but do you want to just kick off by saying hi and a brief intro? Okay, after this, I'm Michelle. I have been in New Zealand for almost 10 years now. I'm an engineer and nanotechnologist, and I am happy to answer any questions you have later on. Hi, I'm Rod Orham. I'm a business journalist here in New Zealand, and I've been here now 21 years, originally from the UK but then US and Canada, and I'm a Ned Edmund Hillary fellow, and I'm very much looking forward to the discussions with you. Thanks, Rod and Michelle. A few housekeeping things before we jump in. So firstly, we are recording this conversation, and that'll be so that we can share this with some others that have registered for the call but aren't able to join us right at the moment, and also we'll post it on YouTube afterwards so others can view it. So we'll be conscious of that. We'll try not to mention your your full names or anything that will identify you unless you want that. And the other thing is just in terms of broad kind of our plan for today. So I'm just going to start in the first five or ten minutes, just kind of giving a bit of an EHF 101, just kind of setting the scene for what the fellowship is, and then we'll open up for Rod and Michelle and we'll hear their experiences of moving to New Zealand and innovating from here. We are keen to get your questions so we can keep this an ongoing discussion. The best way for you to do that is there's a Q&A box, which should be somewhere on your menu, likely down the bottom depending on what type of operating system you're running. So if you have questions at any point, chip them away and then we'll either post them to Michelle and Rod or I can cover some of them off as well. So do keep them coming. I'm going to start by giving a five or ten minute intro into EHF. So I'm going to talk about the fellowship and what that involves, and then secondly I'm going to talk a little bit more about if you are interested in the fellowship, what's involved in terms of applying, and the process of becoming a fellow. So EHF is building a global community of change makers and the idea is that we'd have people solving global challenges from New Zealand. New Zealand is a great place to incubate new ideas and can be a launch pad to scaling those globally. This slide shows a bit about actually what does it involve being part of the fellowship. So let me unpack each of these briefly. So every six months we have our new frontiers summits and they bring together a bunch of our fellows across different cohorts as well as other innovators and entrepreneurs and government stakeholders in New Zealand. So for people who are part of the fellowship they're welcome to join each of those summits as a way of reconnecting.  Also we have regional gatherings so for example in Wellington we have a monthly dinner with fellows and as we get more and more fellows across the country we'll have more connections able to be to be done by fellows in particular locations. Thirdly we have online tools for connecting fellows with each other so and there are discussion topics by for example geography you know which place in New Zealand you're based or by cohort or by which particular topics that you're working on. A key part about the fellowship as well is the informal collaboration that happens between the fellows. So for example one of our fellows who's doing work to to build theme parks that are educational came to me and was asking if we have any fellows that are doing work with renewable technologies because she wanted to demonstrate that with one of the theme parks and then I was able to introduce her to a fellow who's who's a leader in terms of wind technology so that's just an example of the kind of the kind of connections that can happen across different topics of fellows meeting with each other. And then fourth the EHF team is here to help support you and that involves helping support you as you transition to come to New Zealand for the first time supporting you in terms of connecting you with people from New Zealand that might make sense for you to connect with and it could be startups or incubators or science organizations in New Zealand as well. Here are a few photos this is from a New Frontiers Summit a year or two ago. Here's a little bit about the global impact visa so and how it works is that people apply for the Edmund Hillary Fellowship and if they're offered a place then they can then apply for a global impact visa. Key things to say about the global impact visa one is that it's very flexible it enables you to work and invest and to even certain types of study and to start up new ventures and we don't necessarily hold you to a particular business plan. Sorry. Thanks. Maybe if you could hop on mute. So we don't hold you to follow the specific business plan that you submitted so it's open for you to to do to do different things because we understand the the path to creating a venture is not always linear. People who become fellows who are internationals can apply and get the global impact visa. For their family members there are additional visas available for family members like partner visas for example. Also the global impact visa after three years there's the opportunity for people to apply for permanent residency and it's much more much more simple process of applying for permanent residency from the global impact visa compared to a number of other ways of applying for permanent residency. That's a bit about the global impact visa. Next I'll briefly discuss what's involved in terms of connecting with the fellowship if you're keen to apply and what's involved in the selection process. So the in terms of selection criteria there are five key things that we look at and you can find these on our website at ehf.org forward slash apply. So the first one is having a bold vision to solve systemic challenges. So a couple of things to note there we're after people that are doing things that are innovative and what we mean by systemic challenges is some of the big problems facing society. So if you're working on things that have the potential to get to some of the get to some of the hard of big problems then that's that's interesting to us. Secondly and very importantly as well as people's ability to deliver on their vision. So just having ideas isn't enough it's for us it's important that you can show that you can actually get things off the ground and you can do that in a bunch of different ways. You can do that through having done it on your current venture. So being able to show what you've what kind of progress you've made so far as well as previous things that you've been involved with. That could be previous ventures or previous work or previous voluntary work that you've done. So we have a we try and keep a broad lens in terms of how you can demonstrate your ability to get things done and create change. Fourth we're looking for people who can build long-term connections with New Zealand and there are different ways to do that. One obviously is coming and permanently moving to New Zealand but also sometimes people can find ways to meaningfully connect with New Zealand beyond permanently basing themselves here. So some people come for part of their time and they find ways to open up their networks and funding that can help benefit New Zealand. Fourth we're up for people who are keen to contribute to the EHF community and be great cohort members as part of the EHF cohort. And then finally people who'll be good ambassadors for New Zealand. As I mentioned before you can see more of this at ehf.org or slash apply. Here's a bit about key dates for the fourth cohort. So the application deadline is the second of September so that's a key date if you're keen to apply for the fourth cohort. Then the application process goes through September through late November maybe even to early December and then we announced to people around late November early December who's offered a place in the fellowship. Then for those who are internationals their the next step for them is to apply to Immigration New Zealand the global impact visa. And then we welcome our cohort for fellows to New Zealand in March next year and it's it's not the case you need to permanently move by March or move your venture but we expect all of those who are part of cohort four to be coming to their welcome week in March. And then after that the the fellowship begins. And next we're going to talk about a little bit more about the steps involved in the selection process. So the first step is submitting an online application and that's before second of September as we mentioned. Then for those who are shortlisted we ask a bunch of people to join a video interview and that's a chance for us to get to know you some more. Then for those shortlisted we follow up with references and then the final step is that we we at the team at EHF put forward information to our independent selection panel summarizing all the information that we've learned through our selection process and then it's the independent selection panel that make the final decisions about who's offered a place in the fellowship. So to apply before the second of September go to EHF.org forward slash apply. There's also an opportunity there at EHF.org forward slash connect to let us know a bit about yourself and then we can make contact with you after that. In terms of fees for international entrepreneurs it's $600 but if you have additional team members who are also applying to EHF it's $400 per team member. Investor applicants it's $1,100. There are there are significant discounts for New Zealand applicants as well. For there are fees payable when you apply but also for those that are offered a place in the fellowship there's a fee applicable there except for those who are New Zealanders and you can learn more about those fees at EHF.org forward slash apply. So key dates here to apply for cohort for applications close on the second of September and welcome week where we welcome fellows to New Zealand that's in March next year. Okay that is the end of our whirlwind EHF 101 in in five or ten minutes. Now we're going to pass with the slides and we'll set it up so that we can we can chat with with Michelle and with Rod. Okay here we go. Hey Rod how about we start with you in terms of maybe if no maybe maybe how we'll do it actually is we'll we'll talk to both of you and we'll start with what did you what did you expect before you came to New Zealand? Right I'll jump straight in. I had never had any intention of coming to New Zealand. I was very happily involved in a terrific job in London and I was cold-cored one day about a job opportunity in New Zealand and my initial response was no no I I'm very happy here at the Financial Times I've been here for a long time I don't want to go to New Zealand but I thought well no I I should hear what someone offered. So to cut a very long story short what my wife and I understood as we were talking to some New Zealand friends in London was that if we made the switch from London to New Zealand we'd be trading in very large scale in terms of the stories I was doing at the Financial Times or her work as an actress and so the scale would be smaller here but crucially we would gain dimension. So at the FT the stories I wrote were about major companies doing big things but in a sense though I hope good quality it was still kind of a two-dimensional view of business and the economy and I hoped that in moving to New Zealand I would get to know far more people and try to keep an entire mental model if you like going in my head about this country as an economy and a society and same situation for Lin too. So that was our expectation when we came and that's been very very richly fulfilled over that time and in terms of the range of people we know here the activities we get involved in are all much more diverse and in many ways more rewarding because of the the connection and the intimacy of the country versus working at a larger scale but in a rather more two-dimensional way in the UK and so that's been essentially the huge pleasure for me and my family of becoming New Zealanders but also it's something which keeps growing so here's this whole new phase for me now as an Edmund Hillary Fellow and so this seems to be an evergreen opportunity for me despite the time I've already been here in New Zealand. Thanks Rod how about you Michelle? So I actually didn't have any expectations before I moved to New Zealand I was probably quite naive in that I saw it as a very pretty place where they spoke English it was good enough for me I moved here I was living in the US before here and but I had also lived in England for 10 years before that and people have described New Zealand to me as a bit like living in Wales so I thought well that sounds lovely I'd spent some time in Wales and so I was very naive and I was so pleasantly surprised and delighted when I actually moved here and and it took me a while to settle in I reckon it took me two years to really figure out what New Zealand was and how it worked and then once I did I really flourished and met some amazing people and and one of the things that I have found about living in New Zealand versus living anywhere else is connection to people is not only so powerful but so easy here it literally is everybody does know everybody and so you can find the person that you want to connect with quite easily which I've struggled with in other countries so my expectations were pretty low because I didn't really know what to expect I guess you know I thought it was a bit like Australia and I'd spent some time traveling there but maybe with friendlier people but this ended up being this amazing place filled with innovation and passionate positive people who really are here to make a significant change for the better Thanks Michelle and any other thoughts from either of you on terms of what was unexpected coming to New Zealand? Michelle it sounds like you didn't come with strong expectations and you know the kind of the positive surprise I guess of being able to connect with people more quickly and deeply but any other surprising things that you found about New Zealand that you maybe wouldn't have expected when you first arrived or before you came supermarkets I think it sounds really silly and I host a lot of new immigrants now and so I see this all the time supermarkets in New Zealand close on strange days and I still don't really understand it but I think it's Easter Sunday anyway you'll find that some days the supermarkets are closed and you're not expecting it and then suddenly you can't buy food and I think it's only at Easter now but that was the thing that surprised not only me the most but whenever new people come here it's always the thing that catches them by surprise and in many ways the biggest surprise for me is well the first one is I was hoping in coming to New Zealand I would be closer to the action in Asia and which was slightly counterintuitive because London to Seoul was a shorter distance than sort of Seoul to Auckland but of course Asia means a huge amount to us it's a very big influencer upon us and so I found that connection with Asia a deeply fascinating one and I feel whilst the plane rides for a bit long when you want to go anywhere else it's sort of a great sense of connection with people not just in our region but around the world the second thing is the very powerful impact of our indigenous culture on us so I was aware of Maori before I came but as each year goes by that becomes more and more a defining thing for me as an ex-European New Zealander not that I am trying to be Maori but that but the sense of place in the world that that creates that I very strongly relate to in many ways and I think quite significantly defines us as a country so it was a very small country four and a half million people in a world of seven and a half billion and I think that does give us a sense of place and a sense of where we stand in the world and I think that in turn then gives us an increasing sense of strength about how we can be welcoming to others and play a role in the world and so that's that second one has been I think the most powerful thing for me overall. I'm sorry I should give a sensible one then my sensible one other than supermarkets closing is how multicultural it is here in New Zealand like I think I was really surprised at literally how it's I mean Auckland is one of the most multicultural cities in the world and it's incredible because you have access to this amazing group of people from everywhere and I think being an immigrant and sometimes I've struggled when I've immigrated to other countries to to fit in or feel like I was welcome here but New Zealand is it's filled with amazing people from amazing places who have a story of travel and journey and moving to a new place for a reason and so I think that is a really special thing. I'll just add a couple of reflections on that because I think that's fundamentally important sorry it's the business journalist who'd be about to correct some data. Auckland is the fourth most immigrant intensive city in the world after in order Toronto Vancouver and Brussels and so 43 percent of us who live here in Auckland were born outside New Zealand and yet so far and I think this will continue and our ability to assimilate people works and I see this particularly in New Zealand tech companies or indeed more widely across the economy where their staff become these many united nations of people and even quite recent immigrants quite quickly acculturate first into the culture of the company and then find their own way to give their own expression of what it means to be a New Zealander and the way they then work in those companies and the way they contribute more widely in society is a delight and whilst we're the most immigrant intensive place in the country you'll find that in all our towns and cities however small. Any reflections from you both about how connecting with New Zealand as compared to other places you've connected and with like I know that each of you have spent times in lots of different parts of the world and even you know formed homes and new places before coming to New Zealand so how you know how would how would your experience connecting with New Zealand compare to different places where you've landed? I'm going to tell a story against us or against New Zealand in one sense. When I arrived 20 years ago it was a very warm welcome it was a bigger welcome than I had and a more open one than I had received in the States and then later in Canada which was wonderful but then I realized after a while there was this sort of slightly unsaid thing this kind of little sort of glass ceiling that and it started to come out there was this expectation I was only here for a while before I'd be moving on you know why are you here why why didn't you go back to London and when I was making it very clear I was staying and the years went by and then I felt that I got through that semi-invisible barrier but that's changed a very great deal and I think over these years particularly say over the last 10 there's a real sense of confidence and purpose here and also of course a greater appreciation that this is is a very good place to live and work where democracy still works and you know all sorts of other things are in somewhat better shape than in some other countries so that's gone away I think people now are thinking well you know welcome to New Zealand it's lovely to have you here you've made a good choice you know it's gone of the old days is when you're leaving any any reflections from you Michelle because compared to settling in the States or different different places yeah I found it much easier I think to settle here in New Zealand which I figured out how it worked and actually that's changed a lot since I've been here because I moved here 10 years ago and now if I think about people I know who've moved here recently there are so many meet-up groups and events every night there is a free event going on somewhere and the co-sharing spaces and the start-up spaces actually all invite you in so I think it's become even easier to connect with people here and there are welcoming spaces where you can do that and I think actually those co-sharing spaces and those innovation hubs actually are filled with people who are incredibly connected with likely the people that you would need to find when you get to New Zealand and so I think it's become even more easy to settle in very quickly and find the people that you know are your tribe and then even when it was 10 years ago and any any words of advice for anyone who's wanting to come to New Zealand like any thoughts of what they should be thinking about you know what sort of picture they do before they come or what should they be aware of or you know once they arrive here how should any any tips for them to connect in? Well I think the first one is if you're an English speaker don't be confused by what seems to be a common language because in in sort of subtle ways you'll realize it isn't and this isn't you know England from a few years back or whatever and so just being very open to the difference to the nuance I think it's an important thing and but at the same time to you know be confident about yourself but also then crucially about your confidence to adapt I get lots of calls from New Zealanders who have been overseas for a while or indeed some non-New Zealanders who think you're emigrating here who want to talk about what it's like here and I think the essential point I make to them is that the job you've done overseas is almost certainly not available here because as a small country we tend to multitask we tend our jobs can be tend to be less specialized and we have a slightly different way of working so you can't just say well I did this overseas so I'll do exactly that in New Zealand you just need to sort of work out how to slightly kind of repurpose yourself and how to find ways to make your experience and your knowledge useful here so it's just a quick I think those are some of the the transitions that you go through as you as you settle in New Zealand the big one for me is I always recommend that people don't commit to housing or where they're going to live until they've actually come here and visited and housing in New Zealand is very different than I think anywhere else I've lived in the world through it's different diversity in housing and so I always suggest that people try and you know Airbnb or stay somewhere for a month first to figure out actually the type of housing they're interested in and and the suburb that they would like to live in or the city because New Zealand really does differ from place to place and it's great to find somewhere that you would settle without committing on you know a year's rental for a place that isn't for you it's also been very fascinating with the overseas fellows in the first two cohorts because many of them have taken exactly that sort of advice that Michelle's offering and have taken their time to work out where they might be and certainly at least one fellow in the second cohort sorry two fellows I think at the second cohort have settled in Dunedin a small small ish town at the other end of the country so it's not necessarily all about Auckland as our largest city or Wellington as the capital or Christchurch as the largest city in the South Island. Travel between centres is easy I say that cautiously because some of those internal Air New Zealand flights can be quite expensive but there is that sort of connection around the country so it is well worth taking your time just to get to know various places and find one that makes good sense to you in terms of where the best colleagues are and where the best lifestyles for you. And earlier Rod you alluded to not being trapped into the the thought that the language is the same so maybe the culture is the same but any thoughts on on how you would describe how New Zealand culture is different or both of our guests to say I don't know what people might be familiar with from say UK or the US for example. Yes like let me start with some myths of a sort because every country every society has them and we do have a long history of considering ourselves very egalitarian and and that is was true in part and it's not such it was not such a class conscious society and still isn't today compared with with many countries and but there are big disparities in income and wealth in the country and especially the disparity in wealth rather than income has become more exacerbated in recent years. The another big one is it's really quite fascinating how much of Maori culture has just kind of seeped into Pakeha culture and when I first turned up here and was having meetings at the newspaper I was the new business editor at I couldn't understand quite how the meetings were working and people just kind of seem to walk in and nobody seemed to be particularly in charge and there was this kind of checking in with each other to see how they all were and I was used to going to meeting there was an agenda someone's in charge and you just plow straight into it and it was only when I made my first visit to Amarai and was welcomed on to Amarai by a local Maori Iwi and then I realized that there was all sorts of customs protocols, tikanga of Maori that are kind of seeped into the into sort of the rest of the culture and language too in terms of some of the words we use and and then there's a very strong Polynesian influence as well here from people who come down from the Pacific Islands so those are some of the big ones let me just add one more one which I think is a bit problematic for us which is we're not as good in New Zealand as some countries are some societies are in dealing with conflict so what I do see distressingly too often is say in an organization or in a company there's a tension or so or more it gets swept under the carpet and people really aren't addressing the issues until it all blows up in a pretty messy way so I think that can be one of the downsides of a small society but having said that that's by no means a blanket comment about how we deal with things in New Zealand and I think especially in very fast moving areas of the economy or society obviously technology the fast moving technology sectors would be part of that and we're starting to see more and more organizations that are developing an open culture where we can relate more productively to each other so that would be the one comment of a more negative nature I'd make about a small country but I want to emphasize that I think that I know that that's improving considerably and the thing is that life is not by and large is not quite as confrontational as it can be in in some other countries some other societies and so there is a that that makes it you know good place to be I think one of the things that I found really surprising having moved here from the US where I was so used to working seven days a week fast-paced always running getting things done the pace it wasn't slower here but what I found really interesting is people take time off in January and when I say people I mean most of the country and so as somebody now who runs their own business I have to plan my calendar around knowing that literally in January it's very unlikely that the things that I would like to do are going to get done because the majority of New Zealanders are away on holiday enjoying the sunshine being on the beach and having quality family time and when I first moved here I was so frustrated because I'd come here with this fast pace of what are people doing how can they take so much time off and as I have been here longer and I realize the importance of creativity and time away from from you know your desk and your job to actually be creative in your space and I realized the power of that and the fact that the whole country does it I think is why it's a very creative country but you really have to realize that January is not the time to get big big decisions done in your industry because very few people are at work. Yeah I was always right from the outset when I first told my colleagues in London that we were my family and I were moving to New Zealand and said oh you're going for the lifestyle and I said no no no no I'm going for the work style you know it's just a you know a smaller country be able to multitask relate to people differently and I still say that is absolutely true and it is it is actually true about many aspects of lifestyle and not the least of which are you know a reasonably benign climate although highly variable little rain little sun little wind you know all in one morning and but but as I say the work style how people come together to work is often very very attractive too. Cool okay so if you want a decision made don't don't do that in January and if you want to go to the supermarket don't do it in Easter. And okay so by the way for all of our participants feel free to ask any questions in the Q&A box and we can put that to the group. I'm switching gears slightly so I'm interested interested rather to hear your experiences of once you arrive in New Zealand and the work that you're doing and the innovative things that you're doing how you found that kind of carving out your niche and you mentioned Rod that you know have to re kind of reshape compared to how things that are overseas but I'm interested in how you've found New Zealand as an environment for you to work and do the interesting things that you do. The thing that struck me first of all was how amazingly approachable people were but how generous they were in bearing contacts and that's I know that's completely true today and obviously everybody keeps a few really special contacts at their sleeves particularly really famous or hard to get to people at home and abroad understandably but in terms of sharing and those networks and contacts more widely and my sense is that people will make a fairly quick judgment that from what they've heard about you or what they see about you you're okay and therefore they will they might introduce you into their network and it's kind of up to you to see how you get on sink or swim rather than somebody being a bit more constrained and say well I really want to see how this person works out before I put them you know in with my some of my best friends and colleagues so that sense is a big one in terms of how that innovation works and it's really hard to generalize though about how the nature of innovation works across the country because sometimes it can be very quick and and sometimes reasonably commercially focused and other times it can be kind of all over the shop and you know there is a great tradition here of people tackling ridiculously big ideas or questions and bringing a real creativity to it in a very useful way and I think again a shift in possibly say the last 10 years that those innovation systems and more crucially the whole ecosystems around innovation has improved greatly in terms of the depth and capability there and a big event for us in recent years has been tech week with lots of events around the country and I was particularly struck this tech week in May as I was around the country with various events and that sense of a far more efficient and capable innovation ecosystem starting to develop because it's nothing like the scale or the sophistication of Silicon Valley or other major places in the world but I think there are some particular attributes that we can bring to that process that makes it distinctive and in some ways perhaps a bit more creative and sometimes more effective yeah I am sorry as a nanotechnologist obviously hardware and equipment is what I deal with and you know New Zealand doesn't have all of the equipment but you know what that actually made it easier for me to do things because it made me value so I would go overseas to run some experiments for example and it would give me time here to be creative about what that time was going to be and make that time more efficient but then once I was here and realized I didn't have access to everything it made me really value that time when I was away and then be able to bring the expertise back here so actually it made me more efficient I think in how I became sorry all right I'm back how I became innovative and made me think about what happened when I did have limited resources here and actually it made me more impactful because previously I literally could tinker with anything I wanted and didn't always know what I was doing I was like well we'll try this button and we'll try that button whereas the time here in New Zealand when I first started and and I didn't have access to all the things that I thought would help me made me realize that I didn't need most of those things and actually it helped me really to focus on what made impact what was amazing and then I could spend quality time doing that and so that was really valuable for my time because it made me use my time more efficiently and what about that exploration phase for you Michelle as as you've gone to create now it's nanogool labs and lots of other things that you've done and yeah how did you find kind of getting that off the ground and kind of figuring out what what the venture is that you're doing from from the get-go. Oh moving to New Zealand has made me more creative than I think I've ever been in my life and it has allowed me the freedom to be able to create you know my own organization my own social enterprise to concentrate on the things that I am passionate about which is education around technology and I don't think I would have done that anywhere else but here partly because I've met so many passionate people partly because New Zealand is a great place to pilot things and so I could do things at small scale and then expand them overseas and New Zealand is great for that we've had we've sold a lot of our products overseas where we've been able to show through pilot and trial data in New Zealand that the concept would work in other countries and other countries have been very appreciative of that data saying if we know it works in New Zealand we know it will work in and we've exported to Singapore and Hong Kong and Abu Dhabi and the UK and so that's been really helpful to be able to just tinker here show a proof of concept and then be able to sell that product offshore but yeah I have been more creative here I think partly because of the work style or lifestyle and allowing me to you know really think about what is important and partly because living in a beautiful country like New Zealand you really appreciate your impact and your footprint on the planet and it made me think about you know what I wanted to leave behind and what I wanted to create to help increase that positive footprint on the world to make sure that you know our footprint is not left behind in a in a carbon offset point of view but actually the footprint we leave is one about education and empowering the next generation and so yeah living here and being surrounded by like-minded people really helps you to focus on what your priorities are and what is important thanks one other reminder for participants to add in any other questions we've we've got time here um but um another question from me is around okay so what would you advise for people who have a venture and are looking at bringing adventures in New Zealand and trying to figure out how they'll you know expand that and get that off the ground any thoughts for for how to do that in New Zealand after Michelle or slide jump back in um okay I'll start with if you want to start a venture in New Zealand if you have an existing venture already and you want to bring it to New Zealand um don't expect that you could just bring it and dump it here and it will work um always come and test the waters because it it's not quite it's not quite as easy as coming here and and trying it and dropping it in if you don't already have a venture and you want to come here um don't start it until you've done a little bit of networking funding sources in New Zealand um are are here you can get funding for your startup um they're just not always in the most obvious of places and they typically come through through networking actually there are um lots of investors here in and organizations that do invest but it does take a little bit of time um on the ground here so I would say to people don't jump straight in come here sort of um spend a couple of months sort of figuring out who you need to know and what you need to know and then everybody will help you to set it up um in a way that will work for New Zealand I would just um reinforce that message that that's a very very important investment in some time um and effort to just get a feel for the place and um given that um um being a small country and the close connections between people you can do that um quite reasonably quickly certainly quicker than other countries don't think of that as a daunting prospect um think of it as an exciting one uh to kind of spend a little time here and get that sense of um how your idea um and your ambitions um um might well morph a bit once you're here and you talk to people and see what's on offer and and find yourself influenced by that and but do make that investment it sounds from what you're both saying and this is my experience as well that relational connections are maybe relatively more important here compared to other places um so just uh yeah emphasizing getting to know people and figuring out the la the lay of the land here um and i'd be interested as well roger switching tech again to hear your experiences as an e hf fellow so i'd be interested to hear you know how you've how you found that experience of being a fellow and how that's how that's supported you and supported the work that you do yeah um there is uh so much to the uh fellowship um of great value um and um one of them is um the mix of um fellows from overseas and new zealanders so in my cohort there's um six of us new zealanders and uh 22 from um overseas and um that ratio has been um i think reasonably consistent in the second and bigger cohort uh and um and will progress it's a lovely combination because on one hand i thought i knew lots of people from the country but i met some new people who are new zealand fellows so uh so it was the great joy in that um but then um in the week we spent together initially is welcome week october of last year um it was terrific to have that time to get to know the other fellows and um quite a few of them had come with their partners or and so we were meeting them too uh which was a very very rich experience now as you know from the um the material about the hf the application process basically we fall into two categories either innovators or investors and i'm a bit of a hybrid because of the nature of the work i do as a journalist so um my wife and i have um are small investors um our biggest investment uh overall there's been in a social enterprise and um the others in some tech enterprises and in terms of innovation um as a journalist i'm trying to work out what on earth is the business model that is good journalism in a small country and i'm working with some great colleagues on that so um and as an investor um the main investment i'm making um in my fellow fellows is in my um knowledge of new zealand and my networks here uh whether they've been new zealand fellows or overseas ones and and the um next big step in this process which is still shaping up is um my central preoccupation as a business journalist is how on earth do seven and a half billion people now how will 10 billion people uh live well within the biosphere uh and um how how radical are the changes the values everything else that needs to happen and um uh so the next stage for me uh is to build out my relationships across the cohorts and to expand that area of my work and there's already some terrific people involved in that and and um the idea of us um as a a stream if you like amongst the fellows um to develop some projects um to develop um some very powerful things to say um out to new zealand and around the country that's the next big step and and i'd hope that um in this coming year which will be my second year as a fellow um i will be able to um progress with my fellows on that so um this first year um has um largely been getting to know each other um people who are coming cold into the country and setting up here have obviously got a different task as opposed to somebody who's already well established like me but in a sense my um already being well established um and uh means that um i'm having to sort of carve out space and give up some stuff uh to create more time for e h f so it's kind of in like the reverse problem if you like or the reverse challenge and anyway um i'm progressing on all of those fronts and um and hugely loving it and um again it's the quality of the engagement i mean the the new frontiers get together as conferences whatever you like to call them astonishing speakers um in april our most recent one we had johan rocstrom from the stock home resilience center here who spent three days with us which was remarkable for somebody who is such a a global expert and in in such great demand and he was so generous with his time there's just wonderful wonderful conversations um so that was very um thrilling for me personally thanks for that rod um i'll i'll give one last final call for any questions so um do send them through quickly um otherwise we're we're about at the end of the call um but it just i'll put it back to michelle and rod any any other any other actually we've got a question that's come through but um rod and michelle i'll i'll see the thought for you which is just a um any other final comments for people who are thinking about moving to new zealand um okay so our question is if anyone's not selected for the fellowship but wants to connect with some of the existing fellows how can he or she do that um so the what i would suggest the best way to do that would be to come along to the new frontiers summit um so you can go to newfrontiers.nz um it's the website or you can google it new frontiers and that's a way that's i would say the best place to connect with fellows and there'll be fellows there from across different cohorts um but i'll i'll leave i'll pass it back now to rod and michelle for any any final comments um words of advice for people thinking about connecting more with new zealand and then after that we can wrap up the call unless you're any other questions from our participants michelle would i i'm just gonna say do it like just do it it's everybody i know who has done it and who has come here has created a magical adventurous journey that um that i have never seen anybody regret and so i say yes it's an incredible place it's probably not what you're expecting it's probably so much more so definitely do it and although we seem far away um apart from australia any anywhere as a minimum of a 12 hour flight just think of that as a mini film festival now there's even on-demand films in you know economy class just sit back um select your films have a bit of a snooze um a bit of dinner and heck and then you're here in new zealand just like that fantastic hey um rod and michelle thank you so much for your time and thanks for sharing your experiences um and thank you for everyone who's joined us and for for those who'll be watching this afterwards um thank you thank you