0s? I think it was the 70s. 70s? I do forget. But maybe at that time, you know, women, as, you know, stayed at home more, so maybe all the lady oompas, they were at home, minding the kids, keeping the house, you know, tidy, managing a lot of that home stuff, while the men were out working, you know, doing the jobs and maybe that's why we didn't see them, you know? Because it's just only men who really worked at the fact, you know, did the factory job. I believe a late oompa can do just as much work as any man oompa. I certainly think that we shouldn't- if a lady oompa wants to work in the factory, you shouldn't hold her back, but if she wants to stay at home, take care of the kids and do all that, that's totally, totally fine if she wants to do that. This applies to the the men oompas as well, just saying. Absolutely. It is a job that needs to be done and it's a very important one and there's no shame in doing it and we shouldn't look down on that kind of a decision if people want to make it. A lot of us would be different if we didn't have someone at home taking care of us. Uncle, Uncle, Duckety-Doo, we've got a friendly warning for you. Ah, dammit, I have a songgo. No, this is the Futurama one. Oh, yeah.  Well, which one? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, go along. Well, wait, wait, wait, wait. So like context rags, they're in the slim factory. Our cast of characters and what keeps happening is whenever something gets broader, like, so they do their initial song. And then I think they do songs to explain, like, parts of the factory. And then whenever, like, a particular thing gets brought up, that's secret, they come in to explain that it's a secret and you can't ask about it but with a song. Yeah.  And then before I'd be like, what is the secret ingredient? And they're like, grumpka, lunka, duckety, ingredient. You should not know about the secret ingredient. And they're just like, okay, okay, we get the point. Well, I was just wondering about the armed guard.  Yeah, bad guys.  Brides haven't seen few drama. They're talking about a specific episode. I wouldn't be surprised you haven't seen a few drama. Plenty of people haven't. Yeah. Yeah. I have seen, I've seen probably a dozen episodes. Yeah. Maybe a, maybe around 10, 10 or so. Yeah.  I couldn't get enough of that. Admittedly, I haven't watched a whole bunch of the newer episodes. I watched all of the original run. I think I watched all of the movies, but it's more sporadic with the episodes that were on Comedy Central. I've seen the whole lot, and I'm still sad I got canceled, but the last season, it's definitely like sputtering. And you're like, hmm. Right. But the last episode is pretty awesome. It's a really great ending for that show. They are, from what I understand, they just always had problems with that show in terms of the network support. It frustrates me that Family Guy got cancelled and revived what, like three times, but Futurama only got the one. Well, the reason why Family Guy got revived was because I'm pretty sure the DVD sales were massive for the original few seasons and the highest-rated young adult swim. That's the show that usually everyone's seen at least one episode, you know? Yeah. Well, it's funny. I can't stop saying that. Family Guy, I like the first three seasons a lot more. No, I think they're better. I think that's what I would say. If it was like the first three seasons of Family Guy, weren't leaning so hard into the non-sequitur thing. Yeah. And I actually tried to do some character stuff and Peter and, like, the family wasn't just psychopaths. It wasn't so cynical. Yeah. But then when it came back, it found massive success because of the... Because I remember I already talked about Family Guy and it's so much so that South Park had to do a whole episode explaining why Family Guy isn't funny. It's not. They just don't put in the...  And it's funny, there was a... Oh, my God! Stop! It's not funny. It's just interesting. There was a... You're all good with yourself for this. There was an audio... It was a commentary where Trey Parker and Matt Stone were saying that they got letters and emails and calls from the Simpsons and King of the Hill writing staff who were glad that they had done those episodes. They were really happy about them. And then Simpsons collaborated with Family Guy in there. Even though I didn't hear that episode. It's fine. I think it's just... Yeah, even... Because it's... I know that they've said that they really respect the Simpsons which everybody should for as I'm concerned. And that those guys, the guys who wrote those shows were aware of like that it's kind of bullshit that Family Guy is so popular. Because they don't have to work as hard. It certainly makes me appreciate shows like King of the Hill which I just always... The humor in that is just more... I don't know, finely crafted and subtle. It's not just... His butt is really high up. He has to poop weird.  He fell over. I think King of the Hill is fat. When I was a kid, I didn't understand King of the Hill. But then when I watched a few episodes later on in life, it's like, oh, this is actually pretty great. The closer in real life, I got to Hank the better the show got. I just... All I remember as a kid was propane. That was all I remember about King of the Hill. Yeah, I think it's just the format for Family Guy of just gags.  It's easy to say, you think that's bad. Remember the time I got constipated on, I don't know, like at the... Yo, Ro. Yeah, on that Metallica concert. And then you just do the joke. There was no...  They have nothing to do with character. Mike Judge is brilliant because Silicon Valley... Oh, that's a great show. And that was him, too. Gone but not forgotten. It's kind of like Robot Chicken.  Yeah, Robot Chicken comes out of the pretense, though. That's why I kind of respect it all. Yeah, exactly. It's just like a variety show gag compilation. Well, yeah, because... Yeah. Robot Chicken did the Star Wars movies, right? And then Family Guy was like, we're gonna do it, too. And then Family Guy did it. And they even did a joke in Family Guy about how Robot Chicken did it first. They did. And it's better. Robot Chicken Star Wars is better than... Blue Harvest was really cool, but the other two weren't so very good. Yeah, and I don't know. I like the arguments between what was essentially Seth Green and Seth Mephalin. Yeah. They were funny, even though, obviously, they're fake, but they're funny. I thought it was like... You know, what's your problem with Seth Green? I just think he's a douche. You got a problem with that? It's like, well, I think Seth Mephalin's a douche. He's like, well, and then Stuart's like, well, hang on. Yeah. It's like, he's a pretty... He seems like a nice guy, Brian. Yeah, a really talented guy, funny, smart. And then I think Lois was like, yeah, he watched TV in the 80s. We get it. It's just true. Yeah, it comes up in one of their final battles again. And I'm pretty sure... Doesn't he list things he's been in? He was like, Buffy the Vampire Slayer? He was like, nobody's seen that. I do remember that, yeah. I think I never got the appeal of Family Guy. Oh, I mean, I don't know how anybody could say that. I liked Family Guy. I still liked Family Guy. It would be pretty dumb of me to say I didn't like it when I owned the first eight seasons. I really liked Family Guy. I definitely liked it. Yeah, I liked it a lot. Family Guy is funny. I just don't respect it as much as The Simpsons or South Park or any number of shows because they have a real shortcut to humor. Like a lot of the jokes just are completely divorced from the plot itself. Whereas there are episodes... And then you have the episodes where they have the capacity to do better than that because that episode where it was Brian and Stewie were locked in that room. That's not one of the best episodes of the show. Basically, any episode where it's Brian and Stewie going on an adventure is a really great episode. The Road to Series, awesome. Because those focus more on telling a story, but they do that so infrequently. The format of Family Guy is about a third of it is cutaway jokes and non sequiturs. The first seven minutes is usually some completely disconnected shenanigans to do with Peter figuring out something that's crazy. And then like that's a whole thing. And then it's done. And then the actual story only starts after the first commercial break. And there's so little story left. It's just entirely based on the gags. It's just not as impressive as, you know, I guess it's unfair, right? 22 short stories in Springfield. Think about all the work that went into connecting those stories. They're just using that time so well. It's really impressive. Like the Citadel episode. Yeah, the bird is the word. That was the one. I was thinking about that one where the first seven minutes is just entirely about the bird as the word. But the episode itself, I'm pretty sure, was about him becoming friends with Jesus owning a record store. What is listening to the bird as the word for like seven minutes? What's that got to do with that story?  Forever and ever. Which is another one of their problems. That's really funny. Well, the Family Guy, there was that joke where it was just, you know, you know that, the one that has like the two minute long intro. They had a joke where it was just him, Peter, stalling for two minutes as the intro played out. And the joke, the punchline wasn't funny.  Yeah, and obviously I need to reference the falling over joke that just keep on going. That kept going. Because the first time it was pretty funny. But then they just kept doing it over and over again. When you joke, the funny part is how long it goes for.   Because I think the peak example is Saichu and Bob stepping on the rakes. It goes for just long enough. It cuts out right about what it feels unwelcome. Yeah. But then again, that's hard to say. That was because they had to, the episode wasn't long enough. So they had to do that joke and keep it going just to fill up the run time. But it's hilarious. It's one of the better gags in that show. I would say to be fair, I know a lot of people who thought that even the rake jokes was Saichu and Bob were bad. Really? Yeah, well, it's tough, right?  It's not funny. And it's like, all right. Where should I find the funniest? It's just the ground.  For no reason at all. And he just keeps walking into them. Again, like, I agree with you.  Also random, there are just rakes everywhere. I think part of what made that, because I've seen that bit, I think part of what makes it funny compared to Family Guy is that you let you see it coming in a way. It's like with all the random rakes and having them step on them, it's almost like the, you know what's going to happen. And you're ready for it? I think there are a few things that work in its favor. It's the fact that they use the exact same sound bite of Sideshow Bob just going, this is the exact same one. It's really funny that it's just the same sound effect over and over again. I can literally hear the sound of the rake wood hitting the ground in my head. Like it's Yeah, it's all the steps. And yeah, I don't know. But again, you know, the Family Guy when Peter trips over, that one is really funny. The problem is that they just kept doing it. What's the line between lol so random and absurdist comedy? I have no idea. I'm not sure. I don't know. Pretty hard to call. Like Monty Python, a lot of their stuff was just very absurd. And I think it's because they played a lot of it straight. Do you ever see the self-defense course skit? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. That like, when I first saw that joke, I couldn't stop laughing for like 10 minutes. Yeah, me too. It was hilarious. Just howling. Because it's so absurd.  What? And it was the one where they, you go to have an argument with somebody? Yeah. Yeah. And it was like, no, I didn't. Yes, you did. No, I didn't. And it's just that. That has a logic to it though. I think there's, yeah. Well, I think a common thread with a lot of these is there is a, whether it's the dead parrot, whether it's the argument store, whether it's the cheese shop. Yeah. The cheese shop. Whether it's the, they have a segment where a guy attempts to jump over the English channel and where he tries to eat a church and it just plays out like it normally would. Like he just jumps into the ocean and fails and everyone's like, oh, there's a level of, there's an aspect of relatability and groundedness to all of it. And the dead parrot sketch, the guy, John Cleese, is like a normal person trying to convince someone that this is absurd. And the argument sketch, Michael Palin is, he's like a normal person who's trying to be in this absurd world. Yeah, because that one was about exploring semantics, basically that one in English. There's a lot of that. George Collins, a lot of that, too. It's an absurd premise, but there's a, there's a relatability and a groundedness that comes into a lot of it. Like, oh, here he is. He's going to try and jump over the English channel and then he just jumps into the water and falls down. And because, of course, that's what would happen. I mean, now I'm thinking, because there was another joke in the, in Cape Fear, the Simpsons one, where it was the elephants that just kept stepping on him. That's a joke where because the parade, yeah, it is, it's, it is the parade. And then because, of course, it's like, not the elephants. It's like, why are there elephants in this parade? And the fact that on each of them they have, I'm pretty sure one of them just has the word the. Yes, to extend it as long as possible. Yeah, it's just really funny. Even though it's just a joke. The thing having a sense to a relatability to it, because even with the self-defense sketch, like as much as it's absurd, like they try to justify it in a sense, like, so those without context, like the idea is just, all these people enter a self-defense course, but he's just teaching them how to defend themselves against fresh fruit. That's the idea. So it's just like, okay. And like, they're all not taking it seriously.  And he's like, I got to show you how to defend yourselves against this. Wait, wait, wait. Maybe you should just see it. You know, there's a bazillion multi-python jokes. I'm going to get a look. This could be one part of this whole sketch. But there's a reason I'm saying it anyway. But like, the fuck, what's the name of that? Because he was, it's Graham Chapman, right? He was like one of the first ones to die. Graham Chapman is the one who gets, yeah. No, I meant like in real life. Oh, um, I think it wasn't either first. I think so.     And so like that's already funny. But then John Cleese pulls out a revolver and shoots him. He just dies. And they're all like terrified. And he's like, he came out with a lethal weapon. Like the sketch goes on, fully recommended. But then again, like, I don't know anybody who doesn't respect Monty Python like in terms of their comedy. Yeah, it's right. Faulty Towers as well. Yeah, Faulty Towers as well. For the best shows ever. Don't mention the wall. Yeah. Isn't that episode has been banned, right? Or at least like it's sensitive. I think that episode is, I don't know. I think, because I read about this recently, I think there's like a disclaimer that plays before it now, that's all. But the episode is still there and viewable. Wait, sorry. Which one? The Germans. Yeah, yeah. That's the, isn't that the last episode of season one? I think season one. Yeah.  I watched that when you came over last month, remember? That was fun. Yeah, we did.  Now I paid for no room with a view and that is talky, madam. Well, it's not good enough. What were you expecting? Sydney Opera House, the hanging gardens of Babylon. Birds of will to be sweeping majestically don't be silly. I expect to be able to see the sea. You can see the sea. It's over there between the land and the sky. I think it was like, no. Look, I'm not satisfied, but I will stay here.  Why? Because Krakato is not arriving in the moment. She said like the radio doesn't work and it's like, the radio does work. You don't. It's like, what's that? Oh, I'll fix it. You scabby old bat.  You get it from a black adder as well.  Oh, yeah. You want us to go out into the middle of no man's land to draw pictures of the Germans. Precisely. Good man. Well, I'm afraid it would be pitch dark. I won't be able to see a thing. Oh, that's true. Oh, you know what? We'll send up a couple of flares. You mean let's have like a Christmas tree. It's nuts. The whole season is about him trying to escape going over the wall and like... Going over them. And then that's the end. It's a really effective ending for what is a really funny show. Yeah, it's just the reality the situation sets in. We're gonna notice another madman around here. Good luck, everybody. It's like, yeah. That's probably why Blackadder goes forth is just, again, typically consider the best one as well because it's got a whole extra layer. If we should step on a landmine, what do we do? Get her. The audience is second to realize what he just said. It's like this little cap that every just burst out laughing. Well, the standard procedure is to jump 200 feet into the air and scatter yourself over a wide area. Scatter yourself. There's mine. So this must belong... This the guy who owns the map. Someone just mentioned Baldrick's bullet. That's great too. They say that there's a bullet out there with your name on it. What if I have that bullet?  They know exactly what he's saying. What are you doing? I'm writing my name on this bullet and then there's the laugh and then... It's like it's a nice two-phase sort of thing for a lot of people who already get it can enjoy it and then they let everyone else catch up by the explanation and they're in character and it's like a great double kind of... Just the fact that there's a guy called Darling. Every time they say Darling it's just really funny. Everybody laughs. So that's a great example of repeating jokes that I can't even explain it but it doesn't get old. When you have...  Hello Darling. It's really funny. He was like Cruella's... The guy who plays Darling, he was Cruella's helper in the 90s. Five action one. Like the Butler guy. Oh, right. That's what he got up to. Look, Don Clevis has done, got stuck on the thing there. Yeah, it means I can easily farm him for his items.  Stop it. He stole it. No way. I can't remember what the storyline is here. I think it's... These are both kill, right? Yeah, but it's the quickie-marts like bigger stuff and he stole them. I think that's it. You do that on Bart's levels and then on Lisa's levels, you have to get them back. Or I think this could be the first mission then you help Cleetus with Marge. I don't remember. I can't remember. I really have trapped him though. I don't usually keep him here for this long. Yeah, geez. There you go. He's on the move. Yeah, everyone go watch Faulty Tower's Blackadder and Monty Python. Yeah, absolutely. In between is another great British comedy. I don't even know. Like it's just... I feel like comedy is... We need more... More talk with... They just... They seem like another breed, those ones. I don't know. In between is one thing I still need to watch as well. You should, it's great. And it doesn't take long. It's three seasons and six episodes per season, so... Fuck, what even was the Super Chat that began all of that? I have no idea. I can't remember. Oh, it was... It was the oompa-loompa question because we... Oh, no! That was an hour ago, baller! That was an hour ago! We talked about Futurama and then we just... Yep. Yeah, that's right. I remember the track we followed. Oh, no! We'll never leave.  The trap tier, like the oompa-loompa is in the back. Dang it. There is a horror story there for sure. Yeah. I feel like if there was that oompa-loompa game you would need to have... Like, if the oompa-loompas attempt to unionize, you know, that's all you have to deal with. That was something I actually had a... I was gonna make a point about that.  Um... So when you went to Squid Game, I wonder how many people, when that was coming out, thought, hmm, can we create a game that capitalizes on this fast enough? And like, the two games I thought of when you guys were talking was like, so one where you are, like, I guess... You know, like, full guys, but Squid Game, so... I don't know, you just have to create it in the same way, but you get... Like, you know, it's R-rated. You literally...  I guess the alternative one, though, is, you know, like a theme park world sort of game, but you have to keep everyone satisfied, but it's Squid Game, like... You have to, like, you know... When the games are active, you have to make sure the work is a while fed and happy and everything's functioning. The IPs have to be pleased with the entertainment, and that is influenced by a variety of factors. Yeah, you know, like, as you progress in the game, you can extend it from, like, three games to six games to 12 or something, I don't know. Maybe, maybe.  Full management stuff, basically. You could do both of those. Maybe we'll get one of them and it'll be really bad. Never. It's a tie-in thing. It's usually bad, guys. Even though I enjoy the Jurassic World games, but everyone complains that they're nowhere near as complex as what they used to be, so I'm willing to just concede that they're probably bad by comparison, at the very least. Soma is not a squid game, high rags. Hello. That's true. Yeah, yeah. It's not. Yeah, that is true. I think there are squids in it. I always forget. Count Tankler does a thing that's called TISM. He's read a tweet that just says, No Tism tonight, second. What? F's in the chat from a puppy's vagina. She becomes a black widow tomorrow. Are you fixed rags? No. They tried, but...  Go vibranium shears, I guess. Oh, no, those wouldn't work.  Ah. One's looking like heel spines and stuff. Yeah, I've broken a few with them, too. Um, you should read the entire script for Snyder's Justice League 2 and 2A for an eFab with assigned roles. It would be really funny and entertaining. Oh, that sounds like it could be fun. I thought they were just in like bullet point form. Are they like fully written up? I don't know. You can listen to all of them. Oh, I didn't know that. I could be putting memes that all of it. Yeah, because I know meme went over them. I didn't know they were like actually full scripts, though. That was a stream and a half, geez.  Molar applied a deep fryer to the hit and run audio.  You just have to deal with it and listen to our voices, okay? Because Dolphin ain't running as well as it usually does, but nothing really is on my PC these days. Dolphin's running like a dolphin. Yeah. It's running like a dolphin, which is... Very poorly, yes. Hola, e-fappers and high rags. Hi. I listen to y'all as I work on a history degree. What is y'all's favorite war? Favorite war is an interesting question. And I think I know what they mean. Probably World War I. Which one had the highest kill count hang on? I think World War I is my quote unquote favorite war in terms of the history of the technology and the development of tactics and the things that people would do to outfit infantry and the firearms that were used and a lot of the strategies and logistics, the political aspect of it. The fact that there were no clear, good and bad guys was interesting. I think there's a lot of fascinating stuff about World War I that kind of makes it the most interesting to me. World War II feels like the one that I would default on in terms of there is a lot to think about when it comes to that war. Yeah, there's so much to it. And the clashing of these ideologies. The world that was born from World War II is based... The world was fun. World War II is just really important in terms of world history. And we learned a lot of lessons about us as people, society. I guess as I'm sitting here, I'm like, man, the American Revolutionary War, that's super interesting to think about in terms of the new paradigm that was born from that. Kind of like the first of mine, really. Yeah, the problem is it's favorite is when it comes to... Well, war was awful. But when you think about what you can learn from them, the lessons and hopefully not repeat those same mistakes. Yeah, World War II is probably what I would go with. But I remember learning about the War of the Roses of British history, which was pretty neat from what I remember. And I'm pretty sure a lot of pieces of Game of Thrones come from it. Like, because it involved... One of the houses was Lancasters. And it's like Lannisters, I'm pretty sure, based on that. Pretty sure there's lots of incest. I'm not sure. I mean, what else are you going to do back then? Yeah, why not? I'd ask metal, but I already know what it's favorite would be. But you know, if you want to answer... My favorite war is Wario. Oh, that was a good one. I see what you did. Oh, nice. Thank you. I like it. I like it. I like it. Oh, that's good. That's good. You shouldn't have seen that if I'm going to leave again. I was going to say you've done your job. I was going to say, what about War Turtle? Something else to say to Ed. The Napoleonic Wars were really significant. It just feels like we don't talk about those as much. But the fact that... Like, I mean, that was a big one in terms of consequence for the world. My favorite was World War III. Oh, you guys don't know about that one yet.  It's a secret. No spoilers. They'll die in the end. Oh, wait. That's not good. Oh, that's just a meme. Don't worry. Not all of them die. Just most of them. I jake. We have fun here. You just come rolling back and crawl. That was pretty quick that you just... desperate for attention. That's all that is. I pranced back. I feel like whenever I see you now, I associate with you. I was like, oh, is it time for Doctor Who? Well, it sounds like it's going really well. You're super happy with how it's going, right? You're super happy. Sounds like the show is healthy and well. Yeah. Well, I suffer with the content in general, but then Jay has to suffer infinitely more by discussing it with people who like the show. That's true. Twitter is really fun at the moment. Yes. So you're experiencing lots of very good faith, not a steel manning of your arguments from everyone who does not agree with you. Yeah. Moly, can you just fathom for a moment? I wanted to reel everything too far, but can you fathom for a moment that in the second episode of the series, the side defending that was summing up the argument as some people don't like the episode because the Santarans missed one or two shots. Yeah, that's a... Well, I mean, you don't even need to translate this at all. That would be the same... It would be like saying the Stormtroopers only missed one or two shots in Mandalorian. Yeah. Feel like they... Okay. You know, it would be like saying, oh, you don't like the prequels because there were one or two bad lines of dialogue. That's the word of the Betty problem, but just add exactly what you mean by that. And yeah, I assume it's like once it's old enough, people will be fine to criticize it, but right now it's coming out. And so we want to keep the hype up a little bit as fans of the show overall. Like that seems to be an attitude. I also think that there's been so many seasons of...  And so it's sort of a few of the people who are left are very... The people who are left are going to be... Certainly the people left defending it are going to be the most forgiving, the most... You know, the only people who haven't been whittled out, right, are going to be hardcore fans or people who are super tolerant of this kind of thing, which means that you've got interesting people left for the discourse, like an interesting subset of the fans.  Hope it's better next week. Yeah. I was explaining to them about the whole space and time having a war. For some reason they got a bit confused. I thought it was pretty straightforward. I'd forgotten about that. Time is evil. Are you rooting for... That's my favorite war. The war between space and time that makes total sense. It's a really cool idea, Chibber. Nice one. Good job. Just because words can be combined into a sentence doesn't mean that they should be. There should be laws against some of them. Rags, are you sad that you're not watching this with us? That there's a part of me that is, but there's a part of me that's like, thank God. Well, especially because, you know, this is like 40 seasons in. Oh, dude, it's the... Oh, there's... Go ahead. I was about to say, some people say, oh, they've run out of all the good ideas. It's like, yeah, clearly some people think that's the case because now they're going through all the bad ones. And we've got a lot of them. The whole bucket full. For those who don't know, with community, when they took it away from Dan Harmon and they gave it to some other writer, when Dan Harmon finally came back because they realized that was a huge mistake, he had the characters acknowledge that one season was a gas leak year that everyone went nuts because gas leaked into the whole place.  Yeah, it was like the gas leak universe. Well, yeah, because that's the thing, it's Doctor Who, so you could literally just be like, what even was all that? It's like, it was actually just an illusion. It wasn't even a real thing. I can't wait for that to literally happen. Like, just like how I can't wait for Japanese Spider-Man to be in no way home. I'm rooting for Dark Shrek. That's what I got my numbers on. Dark Shrek. Yeah, I'm gonna see how it was. Boodaman deals with Dark Shrek. I'm with Dark Strange. Is this a meme that occurred earlier in the stream or is this just words that you're now combined? It's not even an EFAT meme. I love the idea that Dr. Strange is like, we must kill Dark Shrek and Toby, though a lot of them are all just like, we can't. Dark Shrek is a living creature. He deserves a chance like any of us. He's misguided. We can, we can rebuild him. This seems a bit, this seems a bit more surreal than your normal shitpost. Why? Let's do draw these differences. I don't know. Well, anyway, we're doing a Super Chat catch-up if you didn't know, Jay. So we're just gonna carry right along. These are about Squid Game, so spoil us, Jay, because I know you haven't seen any of the show. I finished Squid Game. Yeah, season one. You're the only season that that will ever be. Oh, there's gonna be another one. Actually. To me and Fring, you were watching a video from someone reviewing Squid Game season one. They were like, what you need to do for season two is to have more games and, you know, just bringing new people and have maybe like a new villain. That's the, that's what you need to do. And it was like, thanks for the helpful observation. Like what? So insightful. Was this Ben Shapiro? No, actually. Sounds like the kind of thing Ben Shapiro would say. What do you need to do is... Oh, I have the duck. Well, I mean, there's only going to need to take advice from it. It's because Ben Shapiro has got a few screenplays under his belt, right? Yeah. Do you want, if you guys heard this Ben Shapiro quote. Wow, what is the point? A real Ben Shapiro quote. People did not like the rise of Skywalker because they were wrong. What? That's, I think that's from his review. He definitely said it though. I'm pretty sure it was in his review, but he definitely said it at some point. Ben, we need to have a talk. I've seen the clip. Nobody should like that movie. It's bad for you. Man, I hope he doesn't say it. He's like the only person it worked on. He's like, yeah, fixed all the problems in the last Jedi. No. It tried to fix some of them. More Sith, more Jedi. Emperor's back. I am all the Ben Shapiros. And I am communism.  We will be a union of Soviet socialist republics. And then it shines light into the air and everything works out. Okay. So, I'm strong. If this were a Western show, you think it would have been called out for making the dumb, strong guy, Ali, a different ethnicity than everyone else? I don't know. Maybe. Why? Why? Because people aren't nuts, Fringy. So, if the premise is that everyone is white except for the one character who turns out to be the naive one, I could definitely see people complaining about that.  Everybody is white except for the one character who is widely considered to be the most altruistic and good person like in the show. I like how you're labeling this as though it wouldn't make sense to make the criticism. It's like, huh? I feel someone would say it. Yeah, I guess they would. Whenever you come out with a take like this now, it's not a degree of would someone say this. It's a degree of how many people would say this. How many people would say it? Would this be some random account on Twitter? Or would this be an actual figurehead saying this all the way up to would some actual news source that some people consider reputable put out an opinion piece saying this? It's all degrees now. Yeah, because I don't know if you guys saw this interview where a guy is talking to, I can't remember if it's someone from Eternals themselves like an actor or just, it's like some show with a viewership, and I think it's official. But anyway, it's just clips I've seen used of it where he's like, so Eternals really good, just really good films. So I'm pretty sure the problem here is the diversity as in people don't like it because of that. And it's just like, again. Like really, just like. Sorry, but who are they talking? Because I saw people say that like, huh, the first Marvel movie that got mixed reviews was the one with the diversity. My media thought was, wait, but this is critics, right? So what are you saying? That's just critics. The confusion is like, they're your guys, not ours. Yeah, exactly. We don't want to, that's not us.  So I don't know. Well, they're saying they think it's mixed. Like it's kind of the crazy part. Well, you say that. It's not even that.  And then you read all of them. Well, for a Marvel movie, yeah. Like this, do you remember the one that was like, nothing in this makes sense, fresh? It's like, what? Does this mean that they're acknowledging that Black Panther is not a diverse film? I guess that's well, and Shang-Chi. It's like, I mean, I'm happy for them to use the word diverse correctly, but I feel like the thing that they mean applies to like Shang-Chi, Black Panther, Captain Marvel, all those films. I mean, I've never made sense of it.   Yeah, it's not fun anymore. I found EFAP in April, been going through all of them since in chronological order, up to 120 as of last night. Have you seen Ravenous in 1999? No. Nope. Wait, maybe. Hang on, rings a bell. I've seen a thing that none of us have. I've been to 1999 though. Cool. I can't go back. That doesn't ring a bell. I don't think I've seen that.  It's a faint memory of something. I don't have like any recollection of like what this is about, or what happens in it. It could have been like, I caught a few seconds of it at someone else's houses, I think. Like I vaguely, this is ringing bells, but there's nothing, there's nothing more here. All right.  That's that's the subtitle for it. So anyway, yeah, I hope you're enjoying them. EFAP happens from April to now. They got to 120 episodes done. Damn. FAP them ease. Also, Rooney Kenshin, trust and betrayal is good rat. That new EFAP and they're already using the good rat. Like a good way to explain stuff. They're keeping up with the lore.   He doesn't even add, and he doesn't even know even an odd. I don't know if that's what's happening. It could just be that he just wants clarification, like. Yeah. Like he must have had that explained to him as a concept. It might just be the words themselves. I'm not sure. Yeah. Oh, Ali. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't it? Isn't it? Doesn't he understand as soon as like saying we use as a different word for it? Isn't it just the language that trips him up? I think so. I got that impression, but I have to watch it again. Yeah. Like he's not a native Korean speaker. That's, yeah. That's an acceptable knowledge gap for him to have, I feel. All right, Jay. God, roast people 24 seven. Let people have an opinion. Yeah, Jay. A-Rabs came up with numbers, so they should know more than anyone else.  Pararips invented numbers. They found them on the first stone. Like, no, just, no, just like the idea of like symbols that represent them. Like literally they invented quantities. I like that as an idea. Symbols that represent amounts. Yeah. What if we had symbols that represent amounts? Oh. Like the world didn't have amounts before they came on. I can't even picture what that's like in my head, this abstract comment.  Those, that's not like an amount. That's just, you know, that's just one thing. What if there was many sand? There's lots of sand. But can someone stop me? No. Oh. Nobody gets stopped on e-files. Why so long? Why don't you Dumbos watching Korean stuff? It doesn't seem in your realm not that you're tied to any type of media. It just seems weird. Oh, why are you watching it? And we've all watched it before this stuff. Just smaller said that he watched a movie that was really good. So we watched it and then a lot of people are talking about this squid game. Yeah. And pulls out. We've all seen foreign movies before. We just, I think it really is the first time in e-file they got covered.  There's nuts, but that happens. Lutes. You never would have thought for there we are. Who was the first Korean media ever saw? Yeah, but you're Jay. You haven't seen like French, Swedish, or even German films have you? Seen Trollhunter and that's, you know, that's Norwegian, I think.  That's trolls are native to Norway. All right. I'm not touching that. That's what I wasn't indoors for e-file. Just saying. Do you mean troll also troll? Yes. Troll too. Oh, sorry. It went on. It says, just seemed weird that you skipped Invincible, which is akin to superhero type stuff you often cover, but not Train to Busan or this. Love that you're covering this though. Play DDLC. I can explain this. So Train to Busan was recommended to me by basically everybody for years. And Squid Game became the most popular piece of media in history for a while. Invincible is a show that I was getting lots of mixed ideas of, and it's not something I cared about that much. There's a lot of those. I kind of feel, get the impression, and I don't know if I'm on the money with this or not, but I kind of get the impression that there's just a general sense that we're tired of watching garbage constantly and would like to seek out some good things. A lot of people say it's like a masterpiece, the Invincible, but a lot of people did then say it ain't a masterpiece. It ain't a masterpiece. Invincible was one of those where it was like could have gone either way, you know, like, like, like the Clone Wars could go either way. I've not seen that yet. And, right, do you not trust Theo's take on that? I think I trust Theo's take more than anyone's. Oh, yeah. Well then, yeah. It could still go either way. But this is probably the most I put, one I put most credence in.  Like, whether or not he got a couple of details. That's gonna make them angry, yeah. Well, I'm saying whether or not he got a couple of details right or wrong, I'm sure he didn't come to the decision without considering many, many things. He, when he watches media, he glues his ears to the speakers, all right? He's right in there. I've seen it. Yep. It happens disgusting. Wait, no, wait, when we were watching Bly, he was like, wait, is what happened? What's up with her? Is she alive? Too many people are asking that when I finished watching that episode. We, it'll be fun to revisit that recording because it's so old now, but I'm pretty sure all of us would just blow it away when episode five finishes.  You think we'd all have a lot to speak to say on it, but I'm pretty sure it was like- No, we step past it. Next, next, next, next. Next, next, yeah. Because it was doing everything that we thought was wrong with Hill House. It was like the whole episode tricks you into thinking you're getting like this character study, which it still is, by the way, but what you're actually seeing is what it means to exist as a ghost in Bly manner.  Also Hannah's awesome. Hannah's my favorite character. Maybe Owen. Owen's pretty hard not to love. This is my favorite part. Dude, if I sponsored somebody and that was the ad they gave me, I'd be like, can you sound like you're not like looking to kill yourself, please? I feel like people might not like the product if it leads you to saying, this is my favorite part. What if you get a sponsorship and you go, you put that line in there somewhere? Well, that would be pretty funny. You got for Good Elb. Get someone to sponsor Good Elb. That's- Well, I think that's in Good Elb, like three where I referenced that because that's fucking, that's like the 20s EFAP, I think, or even maybe the 30s. I don't know. I feel, I feel like just get a company that will unironically sponsor Good Elb. Raid Shadow Legends. I was gonna say the closest I ever came to shilling for something like that was in the, do you remember the video I made? This is a parody of Just Right. Yeah. Like I do all the explanation. I say goodbye to the audience. The last slide of the video is Raid Shadow Legends. It just ends. It's not even like an ad. Just. That was fun, that video. The biggest thing that gave it away, quote unquote, apparently was the, the border faces with lines connecting them and Dexter Jatsta was in there. But like that's what gave it away. And this is like, gave it away. Did you just listen to it? None of it makes any sense. So this is like, that's where we're at.  That's how it works. Or at least people who want to wear a fucking, you know, EFAP and Good Elb. That's how they took it.  And I was just like, oh my God. I swear, I swear, might not have a movie circle check, but it was someone, I remember distinctly seeing someone shared that video going as if Mola couldn't get any worse. He likes Rise of Skywalker. Well, you know, I agree with Ben Shapiro if you dislike it, you're wrong. Me and Ben, we're gonna petition to have more Rise of Skywalker's. Everyone's favorite Star Wars. Hebrew Hammer himself. So yeah, hopefully that explains that. This show's world building is the worst I've seen in ages. The characters are good, but everything is built on warm jelly. It's so bad. I've started writing a critique for the first time ever. Four episodes in, 11k words so far. So worst kind of jelly, too? Rookie numbers. I don't want to say. I'm jelly. I don't know. Is it? I'm jelly would be worse. At least a thousand k words. Well, that's a different like, like put any like non-ingredient, non-jelly ingredient in the jelly. Like, like just mix as many as you can. Warm is like an ingredient. It's like phlegm. Yeah. So it's not like, yeah, phlegm, cum, and vinegar jelly. Oh no. It's, I would rather eat warm jelly.  I didn't mean like, if you could put any ingredients in it, it was like a temperature thing. Yeah, that's right. That was what I was going for. What about genocide, jelly or eggs?  Speaking of Ben Shapiro. All right. Well, anyway, what do you suggest? Genocide's lefties with facts and logic or something. The one you suggest, Jay. I could just trump you by being like, oh yeah, acid jelly. How about that?  Yeah. What kind of acid? Um, the big one. The big acid. Sugar acid. Well, I'm watching your guys, Squid Game Coverage. I don't know. This probably is just as silly, but it strikes me as the most plausible explanation for how this company is able to operate to me. Should probably be in the show, I guess. But if it were the case, but could it be a North Korean island and they are just paying off North Korea to allow this to happen? I don't know that that would be enough to hide all of the everything that's connected to all of it, right? Yeah. Wasn't if it's a North Korean jurisdiction, it means that they can't, like the South Korean police can't go and investigate it easily. Well, I actually thought that's what we were going to get. It would be cheesy, but whatever. Like the he's like, guys, I got all the evidence and then the police show up and then they all turn their guns on Detective Man.  We knew all along. Then I just be like, how are you accounting for all the rookies then? I don't know. If it is a jurisdiction thing, then I feel that would be the best way to account for it. Isn't they like they legally can't do anything about it? I don't know if they should just made it in this world legal. I don't know.  I think it creates a lot of work. It's not like a commentary on XYZ, then yeah, just have it be legal in the world.  That was for me agreeing. Yep. Nice. I think we talked a bit about there's lots of different elements for the world building in that that are interesting. I agree. I'm just saying it feels like your coverage in expanding is expanding something I'm very on board with. Wait, I'm glad. Yeah, that's cool. I feel like the coverage is pretty broad typically anyway though. I don't want to get messages of, oh, you're not talking about Star Wars?  Well, I was going to say, yeah. Back in the day, there was a point where we did several Star Wars in a row and then I think there was an idea of trying to do Star Wars every other. And now we haven't done Star Wars in how long? It's been a while. Mandalorian season two, presumably, unless I'm forgetting something. Yeah. It's lost gear, right? Yeah, I assume so. But yeah, we just, you know, there was we had a spell recently of a lot of MCU in a row, but we've stopped there for a little bit. Well, yeah, because hopefully we don't have, I guess, Nexus's point of man because no way home in Hawkeye will be the the things we're probably going to cover. Yeah. Book of Boba Fats.  I don't, you know, it's been a while since we've been there. I'm on board. Refreshed. Yeah. I don't know, for some reason I'm more enticed by that, but then I was about to say that another Marvel movie, excluding, of course, No Way Home, which I am very interested in. But yeah, if it were like, you know, Glenn Glenn, the guy from Germany, new hero, he has knife fingers, and he runs around saving people.   Yeah, I know you would. I was like, hey, okay. I grew up reading Glenn Glenn comics. Okay. That's why I said I knew you would. I'm glad that you respect me and my motivations. I, however, did not read Glenn Glenn comics.  Whoa, okay. That's not a slip. That's as offensive as the n-word. No. Keep it alive, okay? Knife hand kid. Can't say the K word.  Moving into our neighborhood. Can knife hands with their knife hands? Weird doesn't mean bad. That's fair. You just need to develop whatever you mean by weird, I guess. Weird is probably of the words that mean the thing that weird does is probably one with more negative connotation to it generally though. I picture them with a peepo sus face when they say something's weird. Like, you're from, from you got unusual bizarre strange They're fun words. I don't know why you threw a doctor in the middle of all that, fair enough. I get it. I know words. Have rags talk about the Korean film masquerade? Maybe sometime. Maybe sometime. Love y'all really like the show but I hope you guys talk about the pointless thread of the show that went nowhere and made me look at a guy's ass. That'll be the B.I.P. Oh, luckily, you're in luck. I was about to say it's like this is probably before we got into fully of that. It's like that's exactly how we felt. So yeah. I can't be upset. The Squid Game's gotten so big. The creator was rejected by studios for 10 years and even had to sell his laptop and stop writing scripts for money troubles. The dude deserves it. Well, he made something that was worth watching, which is more than a lot of people would say. Yeah. Yeah, I like the work and I'm glad he got picked up eventually. Sometimes you just gotta wait a little bit. I mean, it's crazy because the things have got approved on Netflix up till now.  Shocking. Yeah. How did a good one slip into the cracks? Another life is great. What are you talking about? I still don't watch season two. I need to do that. Yeah, well, you're in a live season two video.  What are you going to label it?  Another life. Another. I'll just call the video another another life. Is the worst Netflix show of all time right now? Right now. What if I just give it like a real shitpost title? Like another life is the worst show of October 14th, 2021. Another life day. Preemptively say that it's the worst show of the 22nd century. It's cool. I'm pretty sure the show is very bad, maybe not the worst, but definitely up there. How did he know? How did he know? Call the video show not good. Show is called video bad. Show not good episode one. Bad audio visual entertainment. Actually might call the video Netflix made a show that was not good. Like that's just the title. That's funny to me. Episode 37. This is of season 363. E-fapping in a pretzel factory for 12 hours. A good Wednesday. Also, hello rags. Hello there. Greetings. Good day. Fringy. And top of the morning chat. Hello. It's good that you say hello to dad. Yeah, but I like the idea of being listened to while someone's making some pretzels. That's neat. That's kind of cool. I really like the bready pretzels with the salt on them and a little bit of cheese. Yum. I like stuff that I enjoy. I don't really like the crunchy ones in the bags that you get like chips or whatever. I don't really like those. I like the nice bready ones you get at the ballpark or at the airport. Can you play with bowls at the park? Yeah. Find another hobby.  Yeah, and I judge them all. They should be on the internet. And everyone watches. They should be arguing about politics on Twitter. Losers. Tolapix. It's called Tolapix. Yeah. Exposed. Just finished Midnight Mass.  Yeah, their last episode was really bad. Yeah. We're a little bit... We're just aliens on that one. It's so obviously terrible though. It makes me upset. It's so clearly awful thematically. And just for a million reasons, it's bad. It feels weird because we must have just been on the same wavelength because we didn't discuss it before it ended. Everyone hated it. Yeah. I think we all went completely silent in that episode and that damn was like... And then there were a few comments like, you know... Like, you know, to the point where we finished it, it wasn't a matter of some of us hated all of it and some of us like, hate half of it and some of us sort of... It was literally just everyone hated all of it. Yeah. It's like, for me, I got to the end of that and it was like, right, I definitely hated bits of it. I'm still processing the rest. But yeah, it's getting the kind of critical acclaim I really wish Bly got. But uh... Yeah. I did. At least we get more flooding and stuff, so... You know, hopefully this gives us at least a guarantee of another two shows from him, which is just like, that's fine with me. Give me more. We'll collect them all because they're wonderful. It was funny, the red light media video, did you watch it rags after or...? Oh no, I haven't seen it. I feel like it depressed me. It is a little depressing. Wait, did it make the midnight mass one?  They thought it was fantastic. Oh, damn it.  Well, I think I'm not going to watch this episode. But eventually they meant specifically of the criticism of monologues and I was like, that's really interesting because that's like, if you... I remember reading the reviews for Hill House and that's what people were saying. It's like, too many monologues. And Jay does the other Jay. Does the basic response of why does that matter if they're good? And it's so funny to me though because they're definitely of the camp of like, good and bad at just sort of the flimsy things anyway. But I would love to talk to them about midnight mass and be like, hey, I agree with you on like, everything about the first six episodes. It's all great. Something that he said that was weird to me was that you know the big discussion between sort of the two main characters about the perspective on death from like the religious and then the atheist sort of thing?  They were describing that scene. And Jay said that it doesn't work for a lot of people because that's not really how people talk to each other and so it doesn't come across as natural. Something like that. And I was like, huh? You'd be surprised how many discussions people have where it's not like a set amount of time before the other person has to talk. They just want to talk about something for extended periods. Someone might just listen. I was like, the commentary I have for it, and I think they had this for it too, was just, it was just really cool to have like you know, uninterrupted like eight minutes of someone just explaining their perspective on something in the middle of a TV show where, you know, everything has to keep moving. But at that point, well, I say at that point, it still is Riley's the best character. She was pretty good too at that juncture. Random midnight mass commentary, everyone. Yeah, they go high five. For those curious, the plan for that is probably going to be the eventually we reconvene for Bly, and then I create the Bly video and then fast forward another two years and maybe we do it in a mass. Yay. It's going to be once all of us have kind of forgotten a lot of it so that we can do stronger commentary, I guess. Yeah, that makes sense. Because we'll know what happens, but then we can also sort of take it as though it's surprising at certain points. You guys need to see this tweet. You don't need audio, you just need officials. I think Mike said people don't talk like that in real life, not Jay.  I've seen that. Coincidence. Yeah, that's right. Nightingale night. I don't get it. You haven't seen the Spider-Man trailer. That's fine. Also, ma homies, I'm going to leave you now. No, I got you. Sleep well, mumblo. I shall try to do that because you told me so, otherwise you're going to beat me up again. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Sleep very well after that. Yeah. Yeah. If I want to or not. Yeah.  Okay, goodbye. How was the slur for the road? You're, uh, I mean... Iron boy. It's longer. Whoa. We stopped streaming. I don't know if we're going to get in trouble. Well, it's too late now. Well, no, because I cut it off until you're straight away. Nobody heard it really, right?  Oh, well, huh. So you're saying that I, it's too late and that we should just, we should give up all of our YouTube careers? Yeah. All right. Never. So anyway. Yeah, anyway. I can pay more attention. Also, it looks like YouTube caught on and fixed this font. That's all right. I already found a new one, lol. Come. Okay. What? The, the, some of the Superchats have found fonts that allows them to say anything they want in Superchats. Oh, Pog. Why would you? You think that's going to be used for good, Jay? Pog. No, but it's still fun. It's still Pog. The terrible anime-ish dialogue writing of Squid Game will really show once the Americans start talking. It's not the actor's fault. It's the writing. I mean, their dialogue is bad. These, these are the bits I suppose I'd be critical of, but like dialogue is pretty good.  A lot of people speculate that's just how he views those types of people. Like, okay. Find that they're going to be a little bit more interesting than that, typically. Yeah, whatever you are. I think it is to do with the fact that they're a very different archetype to the rest of the people in the show, and they're also speaking a different language. I think it's probably a cumulative effect of both those things. I really struggle with that word. Sure. I would also argue that we were hoping there would be more of a difference between the lot of them. They sort of just blend in. Yeah, they do. We were talking about it on the, on the coverage of it. There's so many things you could do. Just be cool ideas you could have. Okay, for mind. A song we were cites clause three, the subtitles and dubs originally had him saying, if all the players agree to stop, it was later updated if the majority. I saw the former and was confused as fuck.  Which is annoying. We can't really do much, but hope they fix it soon and that sort of thing. This is for rags and his supreme taste buds, having never eaten ramen. Oh, haven't been sullied by ramen. I hear it can be fine. I don't know people who hate it. You know, it's just. Yeah, I don't know anyone who hates it. I don't know anyone who like loves it or hates it. Seems to be just fine. People hate heroic sacrifices from OSP. Oh my God. I don't even, at that point, you just sort of feel like you're just in a different universe. I don't even, because I can put in that, and people will be like, is that supposed to be, is that an actual quote? Like, why would anyone say that? And you're like, why does anybody say anything? Wait, is Bart at the front of the house? I thought he was in the back. I just walked past him. Did my bad. Bart in the house. Oh, he's in the house. Oh, that's nice. Hey, if I've not related to Squid Game, as I haven't watched yet, and will watch this after I do, I got a recommendation on a series for the full season. It's called Over the Garden Wall. It's an animated miniseries. That sound familiar to any of you guys? I've, I've heard of it. I've never seen it, but I've heard of it. I don't think I have heard of it myself, but fair enough. I wasn't paying attention. I know you went. That's okay. It's okay, guys. The detective side plot is probably going to be great and have an awesome payoff. It's not like it'll just fall off a cliff or anything. Which death was the saddest in episode six? Number one, number 199 or number 240? High rags. Hi. Um, I don't know. Does anyone want to cast a vote? 109, 240? What, what do you mean? Did you miss a question or? Part, like maybe I just misunderstood it. Like which, which death was the most sad? An episode six. Yeah. Uh, I forget the numbers. Are we counting? It doesn't matter if you know the numbers or not. Just obviously make sure. Oh, okay. Cause it, yeah. Uh, the old man for me. The old man's not. The more I think about it, the more I argue myself into all of them.  And at the same time, to be so selfless as to understand that your life is just not going as many places as someone else's is. And so you just gladly give it up for them and you do it like with the most class ever. Just like, oh God, that's really sad too. It's like, of course, the old man is just like, it's certainly not thug too. Certainly not. It was the old one for me. Yeah. But I don't know that we can count that because he's the only one that's not a death. Well, you can still call the event something that gets you. Cause like I said, on rewatch, I'm still getting a lot of things from like, I guess, uh, empathizing with Ehan to realize that you're no different necessarily than anyone else that you were motivated by to help the old man. Obviously it scales, but the fact that he's just been caught out and he even got to the point where he was outraged. Like, I don't know, I just think it's so well put together when considering everything. But I don't know, the other ones get to me quite a bit too. I think certainly on my first time through, it was old man. What are you, Fringo? All right. Did you not hear me? I did not. I was saying old man. Yeah, definitely the old man. There you go. No, I mean, it was pretty sad when, uh, Thug 2, you know, when he knocked the other guy's ball. I see that as just well put together.  Even though people have died before that, I just mean that of the main stories, like that one's done. Yeah. And it's just like that's that's the fate for the rest of them, by the way.  Hey guys, grew up in Hawaii and there are a lot of people who will eat ramen that that way. It might be similar in Korea. Haven't seen the show yet, but well, so the thing is they're literally eating it that way in the show. So I can believe that it's a thing that people can do. I just I've never seen that. Yeah, I've never seen it either. And I've seen a lot of people eating a lot of ramen. So I don't know. It just interesting. Did you hear about Brandon Frazier's going to be firefly in the Batgirl movie? Iraq's. I did. That is enough reason for you to see it. Honestly. Wait, what now? Is this the Batgirl continuity? Is this? No, not Batgirl. No, no, no. It's HBO Max, like Batgirl movie. Everyone thinks it's Batwoman. I really don't understand how that happens. I don't know why. Because Batgirl, Barbara Gordon. Well, we'll think. Well, a lot of people might not know. But like they're not as familiar. So maybe they think that. That girl has been around for a long time.  I don't I know the difference between Batgirl and Batwoman.  Well, some people might just think that there are different names for the same character. Batgirl, Batwoman. Okay, well, I still find it weird because we never ever ever referred to Batwoman as Batgirl. No. And so like the first time I have. Yeah. So I'm saying I'm talking about the audience reaction. Like the EFAP subred people are celebrating that he's going to be in that Batwoman TV show. And I was like, it's not that. What? Really? Yeah, because they were like Batgirl. Oh, Bat. Oh, oh. Oh, why would they? I don't know. I don't get that. Is it just I guess they just trip up on it? I don't know. It looks like I highlight to get specific because I was like, how does that happen? It's I just how does that happen? But we just saw it happen right now, even with someone who's aware of what Batgirl is. So it must be because they're just so used to discussion on Batwoman, that anything close to it just slots right in there. They must be talking about Batwoman. My fear was that when you said no, no, no, no, no, not Batwoman, my thought was going to be, did you say Batman? And I misheard that? No. That's a fear you would have. I'd rather Brent and Fraser end up in Batman, the Batman than Batwoman. So I know it's just my fears. Like, is that how hard I misheard it? I guess. That's Batwoman infiltrated my mind that hard. I hear Batman. I think Batwoman. Well, Batwoman often she spends a lot of time going to places she's not allowed to be in. So maybe that maybe that is true. You could just correct that as places she's not welcome and just be like everywhere. It's not welcome. Nobody wants her help. It's horrible. We still we got to catch up on those episodes. We did a good job season two and now we're behind again. It's a show. Jeez. But yeah, good for Brent and Fraser. Everyone's rooting for him. I do like how is it? Everybody liked that moment. Everybody. He's just a little sweetheart. And we all we all wanted to. Well, he's he's in Doom Patrol, right? Yeah, we're just going great from what I understand. I think it's been renewed for another season. So I haven't seen it, but I haven't seen it. Well, I hear good things, too. It's I hear good things, but I also hear that it's like absurd. Maybe that's why it works in the ZW. Maybe if it. Yeah, CW is absurd. But it doesn't think it is. It's HP. Oh, well, it's connected to him, right? It's in the same universe. I don't think it is. Well, it's got to be connected somehow because it was referenced in what we watched. For sure. But it wasn't that like infinite universes. So it's it's not meaningfully connected. It's in its own little world. Well, I think you consider Loki meaningfully connected to the MCU, right? That's because it's like actually Marvel Studios. Like it's part of that. Well, so is it about who it's made by or about whether or not it's multiverse? I think I think it's a combination of what do we have in the story and the meta? So like, you know, as much as I can say, well, you see the the DCEU and like the CW shows, they're connected. It's like, yeah, but not really the flash. As Ramilla flash turned up in the TV show, right? Well, that's what I'm saying. He did. But like, what does that mean to me? You know, yeah, it feels like, yeah, it's weird to see them in each other stuff. I totally agree. It's weird, but like, I assume contractually or licensing wise, they can get away with it if they want to. Am I to believe that the DCE in the in the DC, like universe, multiverse, that's Earth Prime is the CW universe? I don't know that I care what that is. All this motivating you to say that is how bad the CW is, right? Maybe, yeah. For as much as I don't like the movies, it's like, I still would rather not be attached to this. I was actually going to say I don't. What was our rating for Snyder Cut versus Batwoman? I don't remember.  My Snyder Cut was a two, and Batwoman is like a two. Yeah. Yeah, they're about the same, honestly. I think that even with...  Yeah, remember, that's not on Canonical. Oh, man, that's not on Canonical. Well, was the Snyder Cut the worst thing in DC? What was the worst thing? I know it's the Snyder Cut. Wonder Woman 84. Wonder Woman 84. Oh, yeah, there you go. Yeah. Yeah, because that's... Yeah, that's worse than Batwoman. That goes beyond almost space and time, and it's a fabric of reality to your shit, so... Yeah, yeah.   Well, it's pretty clear I want to yeet a bunch of it out of it. That's what that flash move is going to be.  Like, because knowing that... Why not just start again? Well, I guess... I don't know, you want to keep your actors? I like how you... See, why not start again? It's like, they pretty much are deleted all this, the stuff they made. They're going to now rely on the older stuff. Yeah, because now they're relying on Michael Keaton, Batman, and stuff like that. Who knows who else are going to dig up when they realize that works, because that probably will work. No way home's going to work. Whoa. Yeah, what if... Oh, yeah. Because I got Linda Carter as this, uh, what's her name? But what if I just bring her back as actual Wonder Woman from a different world? That would be fucking... Hire an actual actress? That would be crazy. Yeah, that'd be cool. An older Wonder Woman going on adventures. That sounds like a top-rating show to me. I wouldn't watch that, probably. Right. That'd be a lot more fun. I think it would be fun. Yeah, I just feel like automatically, because of the fact that they've got her in it, that they would make it less doom-y and weird. Or... Yeah. To be fair, 84 tried to have this weird jovial tone in the first... Remember that scene in the supermarket? Well, the movie... Oh, yeah. Opening up. Yeah, the mall, yeah. I do love the... This is before or after the sexual assault. That was before. Before times. Um, but yes, you're right. Everyone does agree that movie. It's just really good to know that we can all appreciate how helpful it is. No, not Hytop. No, Hytop loved it, to be fair. Goodbye. Oh, yeah, he did. But he's like the only one. He said he's making a video just for the Spider-Man trailer. And I was like, he's gonna squeeze that movie for every last, like, everything. He'll say it broke him. He'll say it saved his life. He'll say that it was the greatest thing of all time. Or that he'll... It killed me. It set me free. It resurrected me. It set me free, yeah. And left me that. It helped me understand myself or something like that. It gave birth to me. Dude, all it has to do is have... Reforged my soul. It watered my craft. Say to Tom Holland with great power of truth. If it does that, I top all of it.   And you need the... If... If I was... If I says, give me rent. Oh, dude. I would... I would kind of love it if it did that. Give me rent. You'll get this rent when you're fixed and then he gets teleported into another universe.   Where is that? Or it teleports when you walk through. Geez. When he opens the door from that clothing shop, there's a portal that just takes victory. He starts dancing and he opens his eyes.  Where am I? Also... I don't run a quick one. I should save this for Saturday. We're going to talk about the trailer briefly on Saturday. But if they have Dark Oak doing something heroic, Hytop will also adore it, which I think is a good chance they're happening at this point. Oh, I think that... I think that there's a good chance he might be on Sputerman's side by the final fight, like by the start of the final fight. Oh, I'm confident that he's on the good guy's side very early on. After that first fight, I think he's going to be on the good guy. I think the fight with him is probably going to be like near the first act and sort of thing, right? I think it'll be the first act. Yeah. Yeah, like either the first act break or shortly after it. And he might be a double agent for a while, but he also might just be on Sputerman's side. No, I think he's just... I think he's just going to be on Sputerman's side. The shot of him getting attacked by Electro is enough for me. Yeah. I missed that one. Just very quick. Also the nanotech on his arms. They also... Yes. The thing that I just want to see, I don't know, like maybe this is my fan brain talking, but I think it'd be really fun to have like a climax where like every on-screen iteration of Sputerman shows up. Like not all of them being characters, but just cameos. So like, I don't know. Every on-screen. So I don't know. We've got the significant ones. I'm guessing Jay wants Japanese ones. I want Japanese Sputerman. That would be funny. We can have portrayal. We can have like adapted live action versions of like Miles Morales and stuff. And Peter B Parker from Side of Us. I want to say I want to say Miles Morales for like the next Sputerman movie when you know Peter's becoming a bit more of a mentor figure himself. Sure. But like this can be like a cameo from a different universe, Miles Morales doesn't feel that it necessarily has to ruin this. Feeding into the key jangling. Make it meaningful. No, I am. This is what I want. I want for like if this is a good film, I will just be good. I will just enjoy like maybe a climactic moment where Doctor Strange goes to defeat the villain. I've brought more Spider-Man.  Like a couple of minute scene. And it's just loads of Spider-Man scene. And like, I don't know. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we've got, I don't know. We've got like, yeah. We should have the walkie Spider-Pig. He should show up. Why not? Yeah.  And Japanese Spider-Man goes, Spider string! And does it. And that's the extent to which he's involved in the film. But it literally is him with the original actor who played him. If they can find out who it was, I guess. He's still around. No, he is still around. He's 66. I look this up because I really want him to be in this film. I'm so invested. I'm very, that man screams like, in every episode, he has a different like phrase he introduces himself with. And in one of them, it's like literally just, who are you? And he goes, I am the destroyer of the mushroom, Spider-Man. It's a great show. Yeah, the idea that the nanotech gets onto his claws and maybe fucks with their AI or something. It's like, it's a possibility, I guess. I think that's likely.  And if Andrew Garfield gets like something as well, you know, something to just be like, Hey, sorry, you know, sorry about those movies. Yeah. Perhaps I treated you too harshly, you know, like basically something like that. He'll be happy. And I'll be happy too. You know what? I'll be happy with that. Oh, yeah, yeah. I knew there's gonna be things I like about this movie no matter what. Like there's gonna be stuff I like in it. Okay, there's a big guess about the Garfield stuff, is that the shot from the trailer where MJ is potentially falling to a death, he's gonna be the one who saves them. He's definitely gonna be the one to save her, yeah. Then no one saves an ad and he dies. Don't, don't, don't know. Don't say such things.  Yeah, Ned's like the best, best friend in all of the films. He is pretty good. They have a relationship. Oh, yeah. And they have chemistry in terms of just getting along and advance it. No, I totally agree. He's like, I mean, what is it? Like the Remy trilogy in Amazing Spider-Man. Harry Osborn. Yeah, Harry Osborn, who? I mean, I don't buy their friendship that much in either of the, the, the, the, the continuities really. I don't mind, I agree. I agree, yeah.  I was telling Fringy about it because I needed some clips for something I'm doing and I was listening to something and I was like, fuck, I completely forgot how he delivers some of these lines and what these lines are. You remember, there were a lot of, yeah. So what lines specifically? Well, so one of them is, if you remember the big, big explosion with Doc Ock's first attempt, there's like, everyone's recovering from it. And he's just like, I've lost everything. I have nothing left except Spider-Man. Okay. I remember when he was just screaming, I'm enchanted and then he gets saved. It's like, this doesn't change anything. It's like, okay, all right. He just saved your life.  Yeah, he's, James Franco's an interesting actor because sometimes he's fantastic. Sometimes he's like, oh, we won't be seeing him anymore. No. Oh, did he die? Did he turn invisible? Oh, what'd he do? He ran like an actor's tutorial courses and used it as a way to have the sex with lots of little lambs. I don't know anything more specific than that. Because what I've just described isn't necessarily bad. I don't know what he did exactly. Oh, okay. Okay. He definitely got canceled for it. Gonzo. Um, yeah, one of the, one of the theories I like that I read, this is, this is almost certainly not going to be the case. But I just, I'm amused by it, right? Like they're all plucked from the moments right before they've died. And then they, they're doing whatever they're doing in this universe. And so maybe there's an attempt to not send all of them back because that's some kind of goal that Holland has. But like the one that does get sent back is, um, Green Goblin. And so the dialogue at the end, right before he dies in Spiderman 1, like it's almost like explained by he was plucked out, had a whole existence in Holland's world. Then he's sent back right before his glider hits him. He just goes, oh, because I kind of like the idea. Yeah, I actually do kind of like that.  Oh, I'm dead. That's amusing. I don't know if that plays well though, because like, would you really want the audience to be like, Tee hee, there he goes. I wouldn't like that.   Like this. There's no denying that. This movie is hype. Got some hype on it. Yeah. You're going to go see it, Ragu. Yeah, I'll probably go see it. I'm probably going to go see it. And I'll be like, Spooders, Spooders. Look at them all. Midnight tickets. Oh, like, what is this? You'll have to describe that, because I got to show people right now. It's like, so I'm guessing the original. Oh my God. That's a lug nut. And it's not a lug nut anymore. It's just a circle. AI? They use AI to do upscaling. And there are a lot of errors. There was the one with the store front where it changed. Yeah, it's like, oh, this is supposed to be a circle. So let's give it a bit more size. It's like, no, it was actually supposed to be a nut. I can't believe that you would get an AI to do it when. Why wouldn't you take care with this? It's so important. Take care of it, resell it as a high quality, repurbished classical remaster that you could set a precedent for going forwards. One of the things that happened with Buffy's remaster, right, is a lot of us explained by how they just didn't give a fuck, because Buffy's just not that important compared to something like Charmed. I don't know exactly why. Charmed's remaster was like way better.  Crab theft water. Yeah. I don't get it. Like we're talking about some of the most important games of the last like 20 years of all time. This is bad enough to just be like, no, do it again. It is very much to do it again. This is unacceptable. We wonder where everyone's line is. I can't believe I can't believe that they would do this with the PlayStation 2, like Grand Theft Auto Trilogy. And then to remove the old versions of the games from Steam so that you can't buy them anymore. I assume you guys know about this as well. This is because this is news to me. Yeah, we talked about that earlier. Yeah. Train to New York. They didn't call it last train to London. Last train to New York. I'm sure it'll be great. Wait, when did you watch Train to Busan, Jay? I don't remember. I didn't. I just know that you guys all say it's great. No, I'm gonna. Do you know what I was actually expecting you to go? Molly, you showed me it. And I was gonna be like, fuck, I forgot again. My brain is to sieve. No more, no more sieve brain from all that. We're going to talk about how the detective man happened to steal the suit of one of four employees that are running the organ trafficking operation. We did indeed.  Now, if I just sort of goes along with it, she has no idea what he's doing. I was like, we're just pulling organs out of somebody. He's like, oh, is that my brother? I was like, I hope not. Hi, Molly. First time gifter. Halloween is all the way. Oh, that was something. Can I derail? Go ahead. Have your day. Not on this show. It is squid game relevant. This is something that I was shocked that none of you covered in the in your coverage. Something that makes the detective plotline worse. Oh, no. Molly, we talked about this, I think in text, maybe on voice, but Rags, Fringy, this is, I guess, I mean, you saw the show, but not discussed this before. So the moment where there's the guy who he thinks killed his brother, right?  Or whatever. I don't remember the exact dialogue. And the guy is like, no, it wasn't your brother. It was a woman.  How do I know that you're telling the truth? I'm going to interrupt you. I literally actually brought this up about an hour or two ago.  Well, that's not really making the detectives, like it's more so that particular guy. But it's the detective storyline, right? I guess so. Yeah. It wasn't disabled the audio. Look, it works sometimes, right? Isn't that worth it? I think you should at least turn down the audio as someone who started as a listener to this stream. Wait, how much does it like compare to the voice volume? Um, I don't know. I just, I just remember finding it very annoying. Really? Because I can barely hear it on my end, but if it's actually coming through pretty loudly, I'll turn it down. I'll knock it down two notches. Okay, everybody. Is that okay, Jay? Yes. It is indeed deep fried audio, though. I don't disagree with that. Mm, good for you. Yes. We will deep fry your audio. I wanted to see the recruitment process for the PlayStation guards. Yeah, that easily would have been a better B-plot just following a guy who's actually recruited for that, you know? And then he grows a conscience. You could have done that. But it made a hell of a lot more sense. Basically, anyone who's already in the position that they're in, rather than someone who has to be injected somewhere completely unnaturally. Yeah. Yeah. With so many characters are being injected into a story and scenario that we as an audience are also being injected to. Because they're all very robotic, those people, and it would be really cool to have, like, when the first people are shot in the first game, you have several guards and, like, only one of them jitters. And we're like, hmm. It's like, because that guy is not quite ready for this. It's Finn.  If Finn wouldn't do it. Yeah, well, hmm. I guess. Moo! Moo? I said Sang-woo. Oh. There was me thinking you said Moo. I'm not a cow. Why not? Because his parents weren't cows. I used to have my life. Well, I kind of was like, then you would. Yeah, delicious. How the hell did they have a note in an egg? The bread is insane enough, since it's all sealed and everything, but an egg? That's like a magic trick. I don't know why they did it like that as well. I don't know how they did the egg either. I know when I was watching it, my brain was asking questions. I don't even, I'm going further than just, like, they literally in the room with him and they're like, let us provide you with an egg with the message in it, instead of just saying it to you.   And then they just hand him an egg. I'm like, thanks, I guess, but seriously. Well, I mean, you have to wonder how that's he would go. He looks at the egg and he goes, could you just tell me that they go? No, I see. I assume that he gets the egg from like the dinner, like everyone else, right? But oh, he doesn't know. He's handed it in the creepy organ harvesting room. Did they show that? Yes, they did. That's my whole reason for this complaint. They had, they had a pre. That's why it's so funny. It's a secret. They had him the egg and he's just like, this is fine. You know what they should? You know what he complains? He didn't get the man. They didn't give him the clue. They should have just handed him another egg and been like, it's in there and the second egg said, open the first egg. Oh my God. He's funny show.  Oh, in some point, that would be a great joke. So instead of saying we don't know what the task is yet. Yeah. In that scene where, you know, he threatens them. They're not like, oh, we don't know the task yet. They're just like, we've lost the egg. We can't find it. We can't possibly tell you now. Well, like they, they just, they stressed out. They just, one of them takes off a shoe and holds it up to him, like here. Yeah, it goes everything. This is what you're looking for. He's like, yes. That's the message. Is this the egg that you see? If Gettysburg and a bridge too far aren't in your war movie arc, it'll be false advertising. Maybe one day at some point. We've not done the war movie arc with more concerns, older wars. It's not even wars necessarily. It's just, it's sort of conflicts of a kind. Yeah. Stuff that has swords in it a lot of the time. Often medieval, not always necessarily. It's, it's a mix of things. Like everyone will be happy that Season of the Witch was in there. Okay. They will be. I was happy that we saw Season of the Witch. I enjoyed it. Yeah. It was fun. There was some stuff we thought was like good in it, right from where I remember. Yeah. There's some little stuff in there. What do you think of the Dark Knight? SK just came out saying it's a complete disaster. For you, is this a winter soldier or civil war situation? I rat. Hello. I don't know about complete disaster. The character's pretty good, aren't they? I'd have to see it again to make sure. I think it might be of the suicide squad situation where the characters are pretty well done, but the plot is nonsense. I'd have to double check. I know there's a lot of plot flisms, but I just got to, I guess, got to see it again. What about you, Fringy? Yeah, Fringy. What is your opinion? What do you think of the Dark Knight? Yeah, I mean, it's a movie. Yeah. It's a movie. I knew that already. That's not really your opinion on it. I suppose it is. It's not a movie. Oh, this is what objective reviews would look like. Yes, that's right. I'm doing an effective review. It is a film that came out in 2008 starring Christian Bale and Heath Ledger and Michael Cain. Bresanov. And I don't know why his name just eluded me at that moment. Gary Oldman. Yeah, Gary Oldman. Yeah, it's a movie. Is that satisfactory ranks? It's more of a description than an opinion. I don't know. I guess there was a part of me that wanted more. Heath Ledger's Joker, that's a great performance. Oh, really pushing the envelope here, I see. Which is fine. My opinion is that Heath Ledger was in the film. I saw Heath Ledger. Was it Sam Worthington? Yes, he played the Joker. Sam Jokerton. Fringy Suss? I mean, I think he's been pretty honest with us. I also, I agree that it is a, it either is or was a film, I'm not sure yet. Yeah, maybe it transitioned from film into not film. It still is a film. Is it still? Okay, so it is a film. We got that down. Yeah, that's true. Make sure, yeah. Yeah, like maybe it was a visual copy. It is a motion picture. The pictures, there are multiple pictures and they have played in a sequence that displays so quickly that it can be, achieves the illusion of movement. Matt, that sounds like fucking, like fairy gas magic to me. Fairy gas magic? Yeah. Fairy gas magic?  You can, honestly, they can both be interpreted in similar ways. So yeah, that's a really great summary, I think. We gave out a lot of information. A lot of little breakdowns.  That's us. That's what we're known for. That's why people hate us. Because they don't know what we, well, they don't know what we think, but they think that they know what we do think. It's a mess, really. We were explicit and thorough with that subject, so may as well move on to the next one, right? Yeah, excellent.  So only NPCs get killed, really? No.  Yeah, except for one guy. Well, I guess if they go by he's the main character and everyone else died and he didn't, I'd just be like, oh, yeah, okay. Yes, the main character lived. Yeah, we're told from the POV of the guy who wins. Who wins, exactly. I don't know. Yeah, we'll be, like, functioning. It would be useless storytelling to tell it to introduce us to, like, a character and then kill them in, like, the second game. The next main episodes are just black screens for 40 minutes. I mean, you could do versions of Squid Game where, like, the character you've been following doesn't win or whatever, right? Yeah, yeah. That's still a wrong comment. Yeah, you don't have. You could do it from a perspective of a person who did win, why not? But, well, they said they lost all immersion because of that, but I just don't even, I don't know how you, well, it's fine. It's fine. They lost all immersion because of something that isn't true. Well, it depends on the definition. They could be right, but it would be meaningless. I guess. Like, every person who isn't the protagonist is an NPC and all of them died. They could take that pick, I guess. Yeah, that's the freedom of EFAP. You may pick your opinion. We will hate it anyway. It's a unique show, EFAP, because we allow viewers to choose their opinions. You get a selection. You have to vote. My brother and I were joking that the island was all police officers that had infiltrated over the years and none of them knew. They're all so in deep cover. Yeah. They have become the cover. That's how it's legal.  Don't arrest me. Even the man he killed to access the island was an officer or the front bed is the chief. Yeah, they're just, they all don't know. And simultaneously, all of the squid game, people infiltrate the police in the unknowingly completely swapped positions. There's just like one left on either side. They're all doing a really good job at each other's jobs. Like the police is more efficient than ever with the squid game people. Because they're like, if I don't do a good job, I might blow my cover. And you know, the same is going for the detectives who are running squid games. So yeah, if I don't do a good job, I get rumbled. That's just a great deal for both sides. None of them know what's happening. That's canon now. Canon. That's what that is pronounced as. It's spelled with an O. The silence is only agreement. It is? I didn't, I'm choosing not to voice protest because I have no voice. Jenkins is a steal of approval. Just a reminder that y'all need to watch free guy. Not because I like it or it's good, but because I want you to suffer the way I have suffered. Oh. I've seen enough clips. What a great pitch. I've, I think Drinker liked it. I don't know if he said it's good though. I can't remember. That's all I know about free guy because I don't think anyone else saw it. Or did you see it? I can't remember. No, I haven't seen it. Have you guys seen the fan-wank clip scene? The what? Like the, so. I know there's a thing with Captain America, like, and then Chris Evans is there. And Ninja is there as well, I think.  I know about that. Like Pokey Man is in it. So it's like everyone is watching like this live. And he, and free guy is like fighting this like big version of free guy. And he's like about to lose. But then like suddenly something, he like, he summons a weapon off screen.  And the Avengers theme starts and he gets a second wind and starts beating up the stronger guy with Cap Shield. But then he starts getting defeated again. But then he gets second wind and he pulls out a weapon. And it's a lightsaber. The Star Wars music starts playing. It's like, oh, okay. All right. Oh, it's just intellectual properties in the movie. Yeah, it's, it's like, man, this might have worked on me like 20 years ago before I was so like, yes, I know you own lots of stuff. And that's the main way that you make money. Well, I think you say this after saying I want to see every Spider-Man show up. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. If instead in free guy, Japanese Spider-Man showed up and said, I will destroy the mushrooms. I would have been much happier with that scene. Right. I understand. So it's like, because, because the fan, the fan won't think I think the fan won't think I think would be if it was like no way home was like a completely different movie. And I was there going, yeah, but I want Toby McGuire to just show up and have a cameo. And people will be like, why? And I'll be like, you know, cool. You know, it'll be interesting as a topic if that comes out because I will happily compare it with Luke at the end of Mandalorian season two. It'll be like, if they nail it, if they give Andrew Garfield, like, and Toby McGuire's Spider-Man related sort of, dare I say, arcs or just involvement in Colin's story that relates to their time in their movies, it's like, it'll be meaningful. It won't just be Luke killing robots. And we've got, this isn't like, this isn't like a desire for me to see like Luke at the end of Mandalorian. This is closer to my desire to see Jar Jar Binks at the end of Mandalorian. We would all love that. Yeah. It's like, I want to see this not because it would be like, oh, I recognize that thing. It would be more like, yeah, hey, hey.  I just don't want to go that far. It's like a risk that's probably a bad move. Yeah. That's what makes it so fun and what a thank him for it because Jar Jar isn't big. Isn't like, isn't this just all of Star Wars really? It feels more in touch. It feels like we all know that this is a flimpy thing we're doing and that's the funny thing. Yeah. Jar Jar for president. We flew this 66 year old man all the way from Japan so that these the few people who know the obscure joke of Japanese Spider-Man could have a good laugh in the cinema. You just have him record it on a green screen at home, I guess. No, I want them to fly him out. Give him the work. The cost more money. They're not going to do it. They've got Disney.  Yeah. It doesn't mean that they're going to spend Willie Nelson. They're going to spend where they need to spend. I was talking. I think they own Willie Nelson the other day. He said the same word. Yeah, I think they own him. They purchased him the rights to Willie Nelson. He just approaches people. We all thought it wasn't possible. It was only that it was really expensive. That's all. They can do it.  Like that thing you say, oh my god. And then you'll have a spoiler. That'll make it all worth it. No, I'm watching it on opening night. You can still have a spoiler. Someone could tweet out a leak. They've seen Japanese people on social media. It's true. It's kind of a spine of bad Japanese men. You know, Mola, we're getting the film before everyone else. I do know that. I don't know why, but you know about British is getting the film two days before the rest of the world.  I wonder what influenced those decisions. Yeah. Like Britain gets it two days before everyone else. And you're like, but Australia has to wait seven years to see Dune for whatever reason. They were bribed. Wait a minute. Are you seeing Dune or Spider-Man first, Brie? Dune comes out before Spider-Man still. Okay. So we can at least chat about that for five minutes before Spider-Man comes out. Well, I think I think Spider-Man comes out here before in America because a lot of movies in America come out on Friday. They come out on Thursday here. So just by virtue of that, we often get them for Wednesday. It's frying. Yeah. Me and Jay will be like, let's talk about it straight away. And then we'll be like, guys, you're gonna have to leave the call, please make room. We're going to discuss very important secret things. And then you're like, as you're leaving the call, you see Jay start the conversation. He's like, so you know when Shrek arrives? Spoiling it. Let's go Brandon. Let's go Brandon. Must have been one of the characters in a squid game, I guess. Yeah. Okay. I don't think he made it though. Because all the NPCs were killed. When Bitch Girl is odd one out and just passes, don't think that was the old man's plan to exit the game? He's talking about the Marbles one. Well, yeah. I mean, he wouldn't have died. Well, he would have been given the same treatment, presumably he would have made it to the next game because he was the odd one out. Yeah. Reminder that a black market isn't some kind of magical place that leaves no trace of anything going on, not to mention interfacing with the outside. That's pretty much part of our criticism. We already know that's true. It's just, this seems like so many. It frustrates me that front man was like, I don't care if you're selling these organs, just don't breach the equality thing of the system. It's like, what do you mean you don't care? You must care. You absolutely should care. Yeah, principle. Not just from the aspect of it jeopardizes the whole game, but principally you would think that you'd have a problem with them getting rich and taking advantage over the deaths of the underprivileged, should we say. But then again, the principles of the Game Master guy are very wonky. It's definitely a negative of the show. I just, people see it as like a cool thing that he's like, I don't care about that.   You should really care.  Who are you even? I need the names of the people that you've been interacting with, you know?  It's amazing that we can even pull this off at all. North Korean organ harvesting people, and you're like these weird dudes in pink suits keeping, assuming that maybe they changed their clothes with the scuba gear and stuff. I don't know, there's still enough, there's tracing there, right?  Do they ever shower the pink suit people? I'm sure they have shower areas, yeah. I don't know if they have showers in the rooms, the little stand, like stand-up ones. I assume they have communal like shed showers. Maybe. They can't see the faces, they have to wear the masks while they're showering. They wear the hats while they're showering. They might have showers with cubicles or something. Yeah, because we saw them at toilets. Maybe the showers for masks. Yeah, they must, I would have thought they would have individual showers, but I don't know, maybe not. The toilet has a mask. It might be like a hospital situation kind of thing, where there's like one shower per like 10 people or something. That's hostile. Rags not hostile. Yeah, you're getting your words confused again. You're getting all confused there, buddy, but you're all right. We got you.  I do know where I am, but someone asked me just to be sure, are you on American time or are you studying abroad? The two genders, I understand, but I'm on American time. Yes, I'm not studying abroad. Well, I do look at porn here and then, but apart from that, no, I'm definitely on American time. That seemed like a more obvious joke. You took ages to get there, but you got there. No, no, no, no, no. I did the two genders one along the way. I did the... I thought the three genders were cats, dogs, and Hitler. Cats, dogs, and Hitler. It's amazing how I'm actually Hitler. I'm not really... I'm actually not a dog like you'd think, so... It's... Yeah, for adding to your law like that, Rags, people won't forget. That's why Fringy doesn't let anyone add to his law. I will, yeah, because I'm already doing a good enough job botching it. See? Here, cats, dogs, and Hitler. All right. You guys know what it would ever show up by the sand. Good one.  Why? Why? Why? Cats, dogs, and... What? That was funny. Just Google cats, dogs, and Hitler. It's like this third result. There you go, chat. If you want to see what we're looking at. What's... What's interesting is that cats, the world of our feline friends, dogs, a man's best friend, Hitler. And I can't even see the little... The blurb underneath it. It's just a little too blurry. I'll be so curious. Hitler, man's best friend. Tagline for Hitler. All right. His dog, Hitler, had a nowhere. Why is this a super chat? All right. Do you think George Floyd died because he was black? That? Not really something we cover on ePAP. I think, yeah, it's probably a combination of a lot of things, but I don't know if that's it. This one just says facts. I imagine it regards something. No idea which thing. I ran the math. Main character had a 98% chance of surviving across the glass step, ignoring the pushes. The first few players had a 1 in 100 million chance. Yeah, that glass game's dumb. I hate it. Well, it's, um... If it ran as it was supposed to, and what I mean by that is no one pushes each other.  It's not a particularly interesting game, is it? No, it isn't. No, it isn't. Because it's just what are you going to do? Do you choose this one or that one? And one of them kills you. Isn't that fun? Fun fact. I do like a little, I guess, series where I look at the content that passes... Well, what passes for content on BuzzFeed nowadays? On my second channel. And this episode isn't out yet. This is scheduled. I think this is next week's episode. But there is a...  And I clicked it, and it literally is just 28 consecutive pick A or B, and then it will tell you if you survived or died. That's... But someone took the time out to make that.  That probably didn't take too long to make, because it's basically just flip a coin 28 times. Did you call it, right? 28 times?  Yeah, the game is really only interesting because of... I know this may sound a little bit silly, but it's only interesting because of the characters, right? And you might be like, isn't that the same for all of them? I'm gonna say, well, I actually think green light, red light, is kind of interesting regardless. The marbles one is obviously more interesting because of the character dynamics, I would suppose, but I guess what I mean with the gloss one isn't necessarily because of the interactions of characters, most so just because we care about these people. Don't want to see them die at that point. Red light, green light, we only really care about one guy at that point. So, yeah, I have... Like, when I first watched the show, I think the gloss Steppy Soaps thing, I remember having issues with it, but at this point, I think I kind of hate it. I really evolved my position on that one. I cat about the ultimate during red light, green light. That's fair. The problem is they were only harvesting organs from people who were still alive. Red light, green light killed them before they could harvest them. That explains why they were worried, I guess, about the results of... Because they said everyone was shot in red light, green lights, we couldn't harvest them. But the thing is everyone was shot in basically all the games. Didn't they harvest from the honeycomb game?  Well, maybe I don't know if I harvest the organs. You never harvested any organs? No, so I guess the point is like, if red light, green light means there's a definitive amount of time before they'd be able to touch the bodies for harvesting, maybe that necessarily... You'd think one of the people would still kind of be alive, not maybe not alive, but even then, they didn't have... They had ages until they could get to the bodies after the other games as well.  I could have sworn with how the dialogue was written that the implication was that the organs were ruined by the gunshots, not that they couldn't... Yeah, that's what I thought. Which didn't make any sense to me because falling from such a great height would surely damage more of your organs than getting shot would. Yeah. I don't know, man. I just didn't like... The organ harvesting whole thing, it really annoyed me.  People I care about, please. Yeah, it's like ocean analysis all over again. Go away. That's not a pacing argument as much as it says... Here's a thing that I just don't care about and slowing me down. So to broaden it out, it was affecting me in the same way that bad pacing does where I was like, I'm immersed, I'm getting into it. It's all like breaks, breaks, hit the breaks. Gotta wait now until you can see more. Yeah, but that wouldn't be a pacing issue if you cared about both stories. Yeah, but pacing is super subjective. Most people, when they complain about pacing, someone else would be like, no, it was well-paced and it could literally just mean that they care or don't care. Pacing's an odd one. It's generally one that you can explain, but it's an odd one. The way I've usually gone with pacing is information per time, but the problem is that we can have a lot of things that take some time to tell us simple information and it's not necessarily a bad thing at all. I don't know. I think if we want to talk about pacing, that would be the Halloween apocalypse where they just shove something on the screen every few seconds because it seems to think that you're going to get bored if they don't. When they just don't need to do that at all. But I can totally see a Doctor Who fan being like, that's really well-paced because it keeps me engaged. Yeah, I'm not denying the subjectivity of it. And what I'm saying is that it seems strange to say that it's badly paced simply because the thing that it's cutting to is something that you don't care about or is bad? Well, to be fair, my first time through, I didn't know where it was going, so I was still absorbing it, but I wanted my characters back and that was like a show that just goes on pause every time this happens. I mean, I did wonder if it was a secondary story with characters as good as Guyan and Aldman and Andrew. Like, if you would have had the same reaction, it's I guess what I'm saying. Maybe, because it would just turn on my immersion levels with the main cast versus whatever the B-plot was even if I cared about it. Which to be fair, like I said, I kind of did. I wanted to see where it was going and I assumed foolishly that it would be necessary, like it would be important to the A-plot. Uh-huh, full. Ken, after Squid Game's a decent enough example, can you have pacing that becomes bad retroactively? I think the pacing is so complicated that it could have been there the whole time or switched at any point depending on your... It's so tough. So many people will say something's badly paced and never feel the need to qualify because if they do it gets... I think I covered this in my ukulele videos.  I was like, so how does this pacing argument work?  I think Far Cry 5 might be a good example of bad pacing where you are... Fringy, you played Far Cry 5, right? I did, I reviewed it. I think you might know what I'm talking about. Well, tell me what you're thinking about. Well, my thoughts are that in Far Cry 5 you're playing the game having a gale time and things are wonderful and all's right with the world and then you hit... You do enough things and a story bar fills up and then regardless of what you're doing it's a story mission time. Yeah, and you get locked in. You get locked in, that's right. Which is kind of annoying. It's good to have choices in terms of what you want to do. Yeah, there's no go here for the story mission. It's, oh, you've played, you've done enough things now. Well, regardless of what happens now, you are now going to be in a story mission in ways that don't make any universe sense and it certainly is very jarring out of universe especially if you're in the middle of something playing your game and you're getting sucked away. Yeah, I remember that, actually. Seems to me that all pacing complaints are broadened into a flow becoming jarringly changed. I think so. Like it just seems to be that's what kind of people are going for because regarding Squid Game, right, when I'm listening to characters explaining their backstories and having interactions, then we cut over to the organ plot and I don't even know what information I'm gaining.  I don't even know what it's leading to or any of it means, none of it has like significant, or like reasonable consequence and stuff like that.   Could have been Fringy, I don't know. We'll drink it. Maybe? It's that I really don't like that episode for that because I love when they're talking about like that night, they're all staying up with each other. There's little bits of character being developed while also broader conversations are happening. It's super interesting. But then they're like, now back to Organland and they're like, remember when one of them was like a zombie? Wait, was that a zombie? What did you do with them? Why would you ask that person? You were there.  Hey guys, stop chit-chatting. Okay. All right. And then it gets back to the A plot. You're like, oh, thank fuck, now we can back to watching the show. Yeah, back to the actual stuff. It would be it would be really nice to be, if you, if it was about a bunch of characters we didn't care about, but it seemed like in some way it kind of interacted with the A characters. Yeah, like you could have all the guards be anonymous, but they were certain guards that actually were kind of influencing something about our A list of characters. That would certainly help. Frontman scenes, I probably would have been fine with it because I'd expect it would matter. He could be more of a character than a lot of the others could in that sense. If we take out all the Detective Plotline time and put it all into Frontman, that'd be great. Imagine a whole episode where there isn't even a game runs, but it's all from the POV of Frontman. He's trying to keep things fair, he's taking care of his staff, he's trying to make sure the games are well moderated.  Or maybe the VIPs want it this way, but I have my code of honor or whatever or my set of ethics, and I'm going to try and keep the games going according to that and do my best to try and keep things within the realm of VIP enjoyment. I would like to see it be like that he is a, like that he's running, like he's treating it like he's running a fine restaurant, where maybe, and I mean, you have to redo the VIP's characterization as well, because come on, but- Oh, we don't have a problem with that. So, you know, isn't that just, just as a natural, just like I assume naturally everyone agrees with that, we don't need to justify that. But like, I like the idea that he's running it essentially in the same way that you might run a fine restaurant for like incredibly rich people, where like you care about fairness in the same way that like if you're running the restaurant, you might care that like, all your waiters have like their shirts tucked in properly.  Yeah, you have to care about the food that you're serving and the presentation of the food, and you have to, all of these things, the place has to be well taken care of. He wants them to, you know, clean up the place, no stains and to sweep and no dust gathering, and it needs to be very nice and tidy.  Yeah, this is my restaurant. This is a reflection of me. Yeah, because they hold it to a standard. I'm in charge of it. Yeah, and give little clues that it does get to him a little bit, maybe at the end of his episode, at the end of the day, takes the mask off and it's like... Maybe he gets so fed up, he kills one of the VIPs who just, he does everything. He does all of this stuff. He works so hard on the VIPs just to... He's in it for the totally wrong reason. He just wants to see bloodshed and barbarism in this, in our front man, is he's not about that. That's not the thing that's important, and it pisses him off so much that he ends up killing one of the VIPs just out of the frustration and anger. I'm not sure that I'm happy with him killing one of the VIPs. Could be, yeah. We'd have to generate quite the scenario, I'd imagine, of the VIP really... Maybe. That could... Well, that would be like a huge thing for the show that it gets to that point. Well, yeah, I mean, that feels like a season 203 thing. Yeah, maybe, yeah. Or it could be, just during this one, front man's running low on patience, not just in terms of running the stress of it all, but also the ethics of it all, maybe.  He's like, he turns into... Maybe over time, he turns into more of a Sander Cohen type. Or isn't that the thing... So gone. No, that's pretty much it. Isn't that the thing where, statistically speaking, the more monetarily successful you are, the more likely you are to have mental health problems? That's the thing, isn't it? Is it? I don't know. I think it's a thing, but I don't have a source for it. Either way, there is a big... I know there is a big mental health crisis with monetarily very successful people. I'm fairly confident on that. I have no clue if they're rich or more. Cuckoo, I'm not sure. I would find it interesting to explore... Like the front man is just... Like he's really successful, and it's not made him happy at all, but he's still just powering on. I don't know. Because this is how he makes his money now. The direction we could go is, he doesn't actually have much money at all, but he just adores this job for whatever reason. Because remember he's... Back to cringe honor again? That's a bizarre comment to pull from everything we've said. What did they say, sorry? They said, back to cringe honor again. Cringe honor. About what?  Oh ho ho. No, I'm genuinely curious. What are they talking about? I don't know. I assume it's the idea that the front man has a set of principles and ethics that he wants to... That he holds that are personally important to him. Yeah, that's what I'm actually thinking. Yeah, that is a part of his character that influences his behavior. Yeah, I'd be really on board with giving him principles he goes by, but simultaneously allow him to exist in a world like this, organizing a world. Absolutely. This is his way to try and shape the world or something like that. Yeah, because remember when we look at where he lives, I know it could have just been a front, but I still like the idea maybe that he's like super minimalist, he's spotting, if you will. Yeah, this is his focus. He is his career, and this is his... He devotes his life to this, essentially. It's very, very important to him. And if we didn't want to follow him necessarily one-to-one, we could have... He has a protégé. He could be an older guy who knows that he can't do this forever. So he has someone that he is grooming, training to be the next him, in a sense, and that could be our POV character. That could be a great way to do that, yeah. The POV episode is him training the person who's going to take over for him because this is his last squid game, you know? Yeah, it's like this, yeah. He's been like, listen, I need you. One day I won't be here to do this, and I can't afford to have all of this be in the hands of some lunatic. In the way that he... Yeah, that's maybe the words he used. He doesn't see himself as a strange, crazy person. He wants to protect this. He likes structure in order to all of this sort of thing. He kind of like what the potential for the... Who is the John Wick character? Winston was at his name? Kind of that you have that sort of kind of character. Not the way he became, but I guess the best aspects of Winston. Yeah. We're not animals, we're civilized people. This is to learn a lesson. This is whatever reasons. Do you agree, Fringy? It's just an interesting number to face. Which one is? Which of all of that? I've listened to all of the observations, all right? I don't have a favorite of all of them. I still have everything that's been floated. I do see him most as like the head chef at a fine restaurant kind of a vibe for him, as in like he runs a very tight ship. And it's all about maintaining a high standard. But we're making him anti-organ harvesting, okay? Exactly. He's like a bizarre version of Gordon Ramsay, yeah. Is it like... I don't think that you need to specify that in terms of I feel that most master chefs would not approve of organ harvesting happening in that kitchen. That's literally the whole thing. That's what actual chefs do. They do care about organ harvesting kind of. So... There's a lot you could do. I think it'd be very interesting to explore that. And all of this would be better than the detective subplot. Yeah, anything, because it's not anything. It's literally the show on pause whenever he shows up. Yeah, it doesn't even lead to anything. In retrospect, if we ever watched it together again, I'd be like these are the we can talk sections. Yeah, this is go to the bathroom. This is, yeah, get something out of the freezer for later. This is check the chicken in the oven time, that sort of thing. It is actually baffling how much screen time the detective has. And it's like describe his character. He is... Dumb, lucky... I was actually going to show it like... I was actually going to show it like... Like traits that add to his motivation. You're like, I guess he's kind of a good guy. He seems to be an important find his brother than to save all the people. Yeah. He doesn't even necessarily have to be a good guy.  Video game main character, protagonist material. Yeah. Like, I don't... I do genuinely feel that you could replace like his part with like you could make a squid game video game and it's about the cop's story and there's like a few missions you play through infiltrating the base. And he's literally, he's literally, yeah, stealth missions. He's a mute, you play as a mute character as in many video games you do and you wouldn't lose anything. In fact, you'd gain some pretty rad gameplay. As you can see, he gets a pretty cool gameplay. So that's that.  Well, it could be that you play the games in the day and then at night you play as him going around sneakily trying to discover stuff. Maybe, I don't know. Might be a real fun. This is a bit of a tangent, but how many... Have we, have we done any of the super chats in this stream? Nope. At this rate, we're gonna end up with more than we start. We're gonna have them catch up on catch ups, potentially. We... Yep, so anyway, the resignation is like... The next, the next, uh... This is our lives. Well, we're at five hours, so yeah, doing great. Let me, actually let me take something out of the freezer real quick. I'll be right back. It's in a planet because I'm already hungry. Just watch there. A surprise stream? Moly, you shouldn't have. I need time to schedule 12 hours of e-fapping. Also, hello rags. When will you be dropping another vid? I'll, I'll read that out again in just a moment. Don't worry. The detective should also have been like ex-backups. He's just a young Korean detective, not solid snake. He would have gotten found out in an instant. Yeah, we've talked about this as well. Just the idea of a veteran detective who's been searching for this place for ages.   It don't exist, okay?  And he's like, but chief. Chief, please. Yeah, I'm actually too like American cops just working career. That'd be great. Frank, is that the sound that you were making? What sound? Excellent. This says, when will you be dropping another vid? Also, hello rags. Hi there. So I guess at the start of the stream, I mentioned I got a Vegas 19. I actually installed it during our stream here because I needed that to do some stuff. And there is, so using that now will help. I'm still kind of lining up some, I don't know. I'm trying to give a long answer, but I don't know. Hopefully I'll have a battlefield video in the next couple days because I've got a compiled list of things. Won't be anything fancy, but I got a couple things to cover. I found a review for battlefield 2042 that's, they give it a five out of five. And that game's like a three maybe out of 10. This game's like, this, this review's like, no, five stars out of five stars. And it was bizarre. So I might cover that. They just talking over this and peeps. That makes a lot of sense because I'd be, well, I don't know if I'd be useless with covering that. But I mean, well, based on some of the things in it, maybe I'd have to read it more carefully, but it would be a nice little recording to just give everyone the link to the article to read some of the bizarre things this person says about battlefield, even if you haven't played it. Or is it one of those where you can tell the arguments are rough, even if you have no idea about the context? It's like, why did, why is this person, it's, it's one of those, why is this game journalist to game journalist articles? Like is this just where- Give me a game journalist article. Yeah, like a game journalist article pretty much. Reminder, Battlefield 2042 has an 80 critic score out of 100 and a 2.6 out of 10 from players. So that means for every 70 the game got, someone else gave it a 90. Were there any marketing issues for this one or was this strictly mechanically that they frustrated? Marketing, I don't think it's necessarily a marketing issue. Like I don't think people feel lied to explicitly. It's just content barren compared to other Battlefield games. Kind of like Battlefield 5 had, you know? Was it 5? Oh, like there's no, like, oh, no, not in that sense. They didn't have the weird controversy, you know, the cyborg women on the front lines in a World War II game. And if you don't like it, don't buy it. No, I want my daughter, blah, blah, blah, blah. There wasn't any of that. The game's just horrifically bad and it was already had a pretty controversial beta. And it's just a really, really bad game. Um, and I'm not going to, and I've already seen it in chat, but bugs are the least of that game's problems. Is it buggy? Yes.  But man, the bugs are not the biggest problem with this game. It's like a core bad design philosophy and lack of content and total step back, total regression for Battlefield, essentially. I mean, some of all this I've been, I've been scrolling down and just having a very interesting time with my pre-existing Google search for Cat's Dogs Hitler. I can see, yeah. I love that Grand Theft Auto 3. Yeah, the car gets bigger as you wiggle around. Let's have a look at this. It gets bigger. I can't believe where it is. This is the star. This is one of the most bizarre glitches I've ever seen in a game. How does that even happen? That sounds like a error. Physically, it's bigger. Something like a cheat code glitch or something that you'd want to force if you had to play it with the game. You know, not like a... Like the wheels turn into ovals and it just gets wider and wider and bigger. How does that happen?  Because I gotta imagine somebody's doing it. Probably. And you know what? That's the star. It's too late. It'll get done faster than any of the playtests has ever would have done it for Rockstar. So... I'm really... Yeah, that... Yeah. I don't get it. I sometimes wonder about that. Like the power of the fan base. I know it's not very... It's pretty slimy as a thing, but if you were just like, you know, we're releasing this, just give us a list, work together, community, find every problem and tell us what you want.   Maybe just use that to your... What am I talking about? They probably are. I imagine that there's someone who's looking at these forums being like, oh, God. I mean, it's not like they would outwardly state that that was their plan if it was, is it? True. It's better off not doing that. But I mean, at the same time... I don't know if I made a Battlefield video like an hour ago. Sorry? Tonald made a Battlefield video like an hour ago. I need to check that out. His videos are really good at the moment. Like genuinely really good. At the moment. The man is just... I was like, they've improved is what I'm saying with that. We talked about this with him. I think he really did improve. He did. I'm just, I'm still appreciating it. I like that the lodging made a lot of sense. He was, wasn't doing it because he wanted to, he was doing it because it was the smart thing to do. The reign of terror of his like style is over on the YouTube algorithm. Video essays are still going though. Yeah. But for how long now that all these memes are starting to come to make in front of the whole format? I don't know. I've been meaning them well for like this four Giddels. Like the... Like there's still a... I imagine that's something that's not going to depopularize anytime soon. This, because I think they're more popular typically as a genre than long form. His long form was being shat on recently as being like, who would do this? It's like... You have things to say. I have nothing to say. I have nothing to say but editing. You say has that always been the case? Has that always been the case with long form with people shat on it? Depends. Mathematosis was highly respected and it was so rare like H-bomber guy or different. It was so rare and so passionate that I think whenever they came out people would be like, oh wow you know you've done loads of work but then more and more people started doing it. And especially when I started doing it it became like more of a like you're obsessed. You're lame. And like it's getting around now. I really like seeing lots of like seven hour nine hour fully edited videos. It's like that's neat. You can't wait till it's back in Vogue again. Because you know that when someone does that even Quinton with iCarly you know when it happens that they're probably going to have found stuff that nobody else has found because they're actually doing the work. Yeah. They're passionate, right? And it's much harder to make fun of it on a level. Oh, I don't know. It just seems like people don't have the tools to understand how shitty the 10 minute video essays are because they're just like it's so good so slick and stylish. There was one that we watched making fun of them on the last EFAP and it's just so perfectly being like you like these motion graphics?  Oh my god, I love you. We have that so much with Mark Brown listen to what exactly he says. Instead of just looking at his cool graphics. You'll hear those videos they don't listen. Yeah. It's a shortcut to the you know the the the near of quality. It's crazy shortcut where you listen to what they say. Look the arrow tracks the thing that you could see. Isn't that an amazing video? When you press the button you jump. When you hold the button you jump longer. This is like a grenade where you hit it and then you hold it down you hook it. That's the secret of Mario's jump. Oh it's a part one of sorts. Part one of sorts. We'll still wait for that part two Mark. Still waiting. You just have little arrows and a little dotted line where they jump when you're saying it and then boom you're the best ever. You're very insightful. I do sometimes wonder if we're like the only people on earth that ever criticized Mark Brown because he's so inoffensive. Like I think everyone's just baffled by the idea because I guess he just doesn't have the same thing as Jenny but Jenny has that where people like why in the world would anyone criticize Jenny Nicholson? It's like.  People have shitty opinions sometimes I don't know. Crazy.  Absolutely. I find it frustrating that that's what the video I say sort of genre relied on is that no one would come after me. I'm just sharing my harmless opinion about a movie. Like yeah but you're shitty. You're job. Yee. Yee. Yee. Yee. No. Whoa. What do you think of that Fringy? What what what do you mean like what else is there to add on to that? It's it's interesting. I always find it. It's funny. Stop. Stop saying it's funny it's not. Just it is interesting that there is almost. I just I don't know. I find it bizarre that the framing of a position you have often influences people's perception of you a lot more than what you actually say. You know like if you if you say something you can say something that is actually incredibly offensive but if you say it in a tone that's less hostile people won't register it. Meanwhile you can say something that's totally innocuous but doing in a somewhat harsh way and people will respond very negatively to it. I find it annoying and I guess I also find it annoying yeah the whole thing of I'm just you know like it's it's opinionated to have a negative opinion but it's not.  Yeah. Yeah because I think we talked to us recently but I'm more annoyed if I say blue is a pretty neat color and then someone says you hate all of the colors.  Yeah exactly.  But there's something to grapple with there.   Just feels bizarre to me it just reminds me of the whole thing of people getting really antsy when you say fuck. Conversely somebody can say something that is infinitely crueler but they won't say it as harshly and they won't swear and then it just doesn't register. I genuinely hope that you die.  Well don't be so mean. Right exactly I mean that's. Watch your language.  Oh yeah I love that one. Oh yeah the whole I mean think about how many people on the planet legitimately believe that if you don't believe a certain thing you're going to be tortured for eternity and that's just fine just don't like don't show a tit. I like booby.  Like that's pretty that's pretty. Well it's just the whole yeah exactly it's the whole thing of I mean it's one of the like a racial slur is not going to get to me as much as a character attack because a racial slur using that as a pejorative is just stupid. So it's more about you than me but. Well exactly it's like you have you have X attribute that you didn't choose and is irrelevant to your character but it makes you a worse person. Yeah that's what's basically the same as saying you're short.  The attack if someone attacks like an immutable aspect of you in that way the only way I feel it's going to feel like hurtful to you is if you feel that you get the impression that there is like actually power behind that sentiment is in yeah yeah or they or their in group has like some kind of power over you to enact their views and I guess the thing would be that the shitty aspect is not the insult itself it's more what is surrounding the insult. Which is true yeah that's obviously you know you get called a racial slur on Twitter it's going to be a different story as you get called a racial slur by like five dudes in a dark alley. Yeah well alternatively getting called a racial slur and I don't know like 1920s Missouri or something at the middle of the night while people are chasing you be worrying yeah like you know it's but in that case it's the context surrounding it rather than specifically the language.  You have so many subsequent questions oh you see my work wow okay I feel like you know I'd be less worried about this issue I feel like oh I'm sorry that you feel that way. I think I'm thinking about this subject now because I read it in a Tony Robbins book about the idea that certain people will respond differently some people are more visually