Live from New York, it's the queue. Covering AWS Global Summit 2019. Brought to you by Amazon Web Services. Welcome back to New York City. This is AWS Summit and I'm Stu Miniman. My co-host is Corey Quinn. We've talked to Amazon executives. We've talked to some customers. We've also talked to some of the partners and part of the partner ecosystem is of course these startups. AWS, very robust ecosystem that they've been building out and one of the pieces we're really excited to dig into in the serverless space. Happy to bring the program for the first time. Ken Robbins is the CEO and founder of GoTo Software who's the maker of Cloud Pegboard. Thanks so much for joining us. I'm happy to be here, it's really exciting. All right, so Cloud Pegboard, you had us hooked when we talked about serverless, the information overload that we all feel in the AWS world. Corey's got a full-time job helping with that and other things related to it. So it brings us a little bit about Cloud Pegboard and your background. Yeah, I want to help you out. So my background is I ran a major cloud transformation to Amazon on my past job, which I left in January and really saw this problem, this information overload was slowing people down. People making suboptimal choices. They're spending a lot of time trying to keep up. Sometimes we have to refactor because it didn't have the right information at the right time. And I realized we need to solve this and it wasn't just in our organization. Every Amazon practitioner across the planet really needs help to keep up. When I talk with people at these conferences, it's like the main comment, like I can't consume it all, how do I keep up? Ken, it is staggering. I actually, I stopped asking about two years ago how you keep up because I talked to some amazingly smart, well-connected people and they're like, no, no, it's impossible. But I want you to comment on something. So it used to be when you talked about I need to start this. I should have started a year ago, but I didn't, so I should start now. And now it feels like, well, if I could, I actually should wait a couple of months or six months or even a year, but I absolutely need to get started. So I guess I might as well start now because things change at such a pace.  So, you know, what's your take in kind of the pace of change in the industry? Well, you know, one thing is to think, you guys just have to keep agile and buy into the fact that you're going to have to throw away things. Like, don't get so married, build with what you can do today as best you can, but be ready to refactor and get rid of it. Oh, oh my God. The IT organization under the whole are hoarders. Everything in IT is additive. Nothing ever dies, but I do agree with you. We've been, you know, for more than a decade, you know, our annual esteem of talking, you have to get rid of stuff and that needs to be able to do that. That, you know, sunk costs is something if you're familiar with economics is, you know, I need to understand that, that even I've been doing it for a while, we need to be able to cut that. But we have these attachments to the things we've been doing and how we've been doing it. No, change isn't necessarily easy. Right, well, there's a reason for some of the attachments because there's a lot of investment to build up in the first place. And when you put so much sweat into it, then I don't want to undo it. When it gets easier to build, it's easier to throw away. So I was just giving this talk earlier and saying religiously stick with infrastructure as code. Because if you do that, it's just so easy to make incremental changes. And again, serverless makes everything so much easier. You really don't get so married to something if it's changing like one limb to function.  So if you invest a little bit less, and it's easier by making use, especially at the high level managed services, then it's easier to pivot from one thing to the another when you need to. Yeah, and something I've found as I play with this stuff myself in a very similar space with less comprehensiveness and far more sarcasm, I suspect, than your service does, is that when you're building everything out of composited Lambda functions tied together in a microservices style, refactoring one of those microservices usually doesn't take more than a day or two, as opposed to, oh, just rebuild the entire monolith from scratch, which it feels like everyone tries to do at some point. It almost enforces good behavior and makes it easier to evolve. Has that been your experience, or do you see it differently? Absolutely, so there's two things. It helps, it's easier to refactor and throw things out because it's small, and that's, again, you're not married to it as much, but it's also easy to incrementally add on. So I have this whole tier of these microservices that I capture, all this data that we're pulling in from multiple sources, whether it's Amazon's website or Terraform or GitHub, any source I can find that has data that I want to organize to help with my users. So we're continually finding new data sources. Well, each new data source is essentially a new Lambda function. It's independent, and if I change it, we actually had one recently, I found a better data source, I just threw out the old one and plugged in the new one, and it's really less than a day to write the new function and deploy it into production. So, yeah. So, Ken, one of the answers I've had for a long time is I need to rely on my consultants and my suppliers because you don't even understand some of these architectural things that are going on and things are changing so fast. So, how much could software solve this for us and the tools itself? I have to imagine there's still a lot of people involved. Yeah, there's always going to be a lot of people involved. And there is no free lunch that every architect or developer of Amazon, you still need to get yourself trained, get the certifications, read the white papers, keep up to date with all the changes, and we really do, when we're running inside, again, back to my past life as an enterprise, you really want to build internal excellence. Certainly, we can use outside help when you need it, especially for augmentation, and there's lots of smart people everywhere, but you definitely want to have some internal expertise and people that are committed to growing and continuing, going to New York Summit, going to re-invent, talking to people and always constantly learning. Because it's going to take human effort to help filter down and find out where's the trend that I really need to start thinking about. Now, hopefully cloud paper, what is a tool, helps people be much more efficient and focus in much easier, but nothing will replace engineers, which is a good thing, yeah. Right, and for those who are outside of the, I guess, very small fraternity, we've apparently built, now there are two of us who track this stuff for a living, it is far more complex than most people would accept. Oh, why don't you just sign up for the RSS feed? Well, for starters, there's over a dozen official AWS RSS feeds, and they're not all inclusive. You have to look at pull requests getting merged in. There are API updates, you see it in cloud formation and terraform from time to time, and I am certainly not comprehensive.  Instead, a bunch of people signed up, and now I want people to read it for the jokes, not because it's the only half-sensible way to figure out what happened last week. So I'm a huge fan of the problem you're solving and the way you've gone about doing it. That said, when we talk about serverless architectures, you mentioned spinning up Lambda functions and tying it back into other things, but as they mentioned in the keynote today, serverless goes beyond just functions as a service, there's a lot more to it than that. What else does your architecture include? Everything serverless and exclusively so. So they're Pokemon, so you're collecting every serverless thing they offer and then some just to get the style points. There we go. Exactly. Well, so, you know, one of those, we have several strategic principles, and one of them is to rely solely on serverless because I just can't afford as a small startup to be building out non-functional requirements that aren't building the business, so S3 hosting, DynamoDB, CloudFront API gateway, and we use a lot of these features. Not only do I use all serverless, but we're also using it for disaster recovery design so that we're using some additional features within these so it's easier to fail over. So CloudFront, for example, has ARGEN failover, it's a relatively new feature, and it's really amazing, right? I can go to my S3 and I have all the benefits of S3 serverless hosting, but now in a failure, CloudFront will route to my alternate region and continue operating. Same thing with DynamoDB, using global table replication. Finally, we got- And continuous backup, which they released, I'm not kidding, three days after I really needed it. It's, that seems like that's always the case where they have these features and they come in right after you needed it, right after you built a crappy version of it, and it's one of those, and what I love about things that are relatively small scale like this is the economics are ridiculous. Well, watch out for continuous backups, that could be expensive, and I wound up checking it and it wound up being something like two cents a month. Yeah, I'll work real hard to bring enough in to cover the backup, please. I had someone come up to me after one of the talks and asking like, he's not in Amazon, he's thinking of moving there, it's like how much, I have something that's a little bit similar to what you're doing and how much will it cost and how much should I budget, and I'd say, to be honest, I've got some credits that I've been hoarding, but I can't spend them. I want to accelerate by spending money, I can't do it, especially with DynamoDB, used to be that you would provision something with a lot of IOPS, and that would rack up fairly fast. Now I'm using the on-demand, and it's just not costing anything. So that's what, again, this Vernon was talking about not paying for idle time. Yeah, and some of the monitoring tools in the serverless space are still approaching it from an economic first perspective, which for anything that isn't already scaled out is ludicrous. It has like warnings going, arrows going up or down on my spend on my lambdas every month, and it's 22 cents. I appreciate where you're going with this, but maybe that's not the driving concern right now. So I had a funny experience where I turned on Macy so we could get some good inspection on all my buckets, and on the first of the month, I got a notice saying, hey, you exceeded the free tier, and I was in a bit of a panic because there's been more than once, I'm sad to say that where I've let things run longer than they should and paid the price, and I said, oh, something has run amuck. Well, it turns out just because of the metadata scans, it does kind of use a lot of accesses, but then still was under a buck for the whole month by the time I was done, because it came in at the beginning of the month in a bunch of scanning. Yeah, I'm just a big fan of serverless.  Yeah, Ken, speaking of serverless, Amazon EventBridge was announced this morning, really building that event ecosystem around Lambda. Curious, what impact that'll have on you? Will Cloud Pegboard be able to go outside of AWS to kind of understand some of these SaaS applications? I have to learn more about it. I was not in on a preview or anything, so I don't know exactly yet, but yes, we're partnering with other providers anywhere there's an information source that can help developers hone in better and kind of get everything in the right place at the right time. And so, yes, things like that will help, especially if it can work through, I don't want to be opening up SQSQs and worry about the IAM, the cross-account, that can be complicated, so I'll be interested to learn and I don't know yet if that will help in those sorts of integrations, especially on the authentication and authorization aspects of it. Yeah, there's a lot of promise in the idea of being able to give the minimum, viable, required API call for something third-party. It seems like they'll integrate into something like that and well, here's how IAM works and then we have to worry about access controls and oh, yeah, there's no direct IP address to whitelist and on and on and on. It's challenging to, I guess, forcibly upgrade third parties unless you're effectively a giant, world-spanning company who can demand that they do it. So this, it really feels like we're meeting third parties in some ways where they are. Yeah, I think so and I think this is, I'm looking forward to that because I want to both consume APIs but also all my data is available via API so today it's a bit of a traditional key and rest sort of interface but if I could export that in other ways, that would be very interesting as well. I think it's too easy to get stuck in the economic story at times. I know it's weird as a cloud economist to be saying that but when it comes to serverless, the value is less about cost control and saving money and it is, you don't have to worry about entire subsets of problems. Capacity planning, effectively when it comes to things like Lambda, DynamoDB and the rest, the constraint on scaling is going to be your budget, I promise, no matter who these budgets are, go for them. This is what they run Amazon.com on. I don't think I'm going to do more business than that unless I really misconfigure something. Challenge accepted. Yeah, yeah. So I totally agree that scaling is the value but there's more, right? The scaling is absolutely one and then in addition to agility because serverless means serverless but now the term is getting confused, right? It means so many things. So I would say serverless managed services to help say, oh, I'm talking about more than compute. What it also means is I'm getting a very high level function. So I'm getting, so for example, we're using Comprehend. That's an awful lot of stuff going on under there that I don't have to worry about. I mean, I literally have an intern in a couple of days completed a task to do some entity extraction of essentially Amazon service names out of some unstructured data. She was able to do it. She's just finished her freshman year, right? She was able to do this with minimal training because it's serverless. She didn't worry about the scalability. What she needed to know is that, oh, I can use this function, I can read an API documentation and I can just use it. And then for me, another big function, being high on the stack but also the no maintenance, low, maybe more of an accurate term, but essentially it's no maintenance, especially for a small startup. I used to have businesses way back when pre-internet, I ran an aviation weather service and my life was this bane of my existence because it had to be up 24 seven. I had big satellite dishes that would get snowed on.  I don't like waking up in the middle of the night to serve my computers. They should serve me. And the serverless, the fact that there's no maintenance, stuff just runs. Think about the times, how many times have you had a server in the past where you just thought you should reboot it every week because maybe there's tradition and maybe there's a leak somewhere. A lambda function reboots every invocation. It just never happens that I have a, and it run out of resources or something like that. I'm just, yeah, I love affair. All right, so Ken, it's obvious how you feel about serverless, but as a startup, just give us final thoughts on what it's like to be a startup that is on with and using AWS. Well, for me, it's fantastic. It allows me to focus on the problem to solve immediately and by using high in the stack, like I was saying, serverless capabilities, I'm not worried about the infrastructure. I write a little bit of confirmation, I deploy it, and I'm always working on business logic and functionality and I'm not worrying about will it scale? Do I have to maintain it? I can really focus on the problems to solve and that's really been very helpful to me. So now we have something where I can scale. I'm hoping I'm not there yet, but every Amazon practitioner should want to use Cloud Pegboard, I think. It helps with a general problem. So I need to be able to scale to millions, bursty, I don't know what the adoption rate's going to be, but I have confidence because I'm using all these serverless capabilities. S3 will do it. Amazon Gateway and Lambda will do it, so I don't have to worry about it. So for a startup to not have to worry about that is really pretty powerful. And by the time you wind up in a cost-prohibitive situation where, okay, running some baseline level load that's on something that isn't serverless begins to make significant economic sense, at that point your traffic volumes definitionally are so high that by that point there's a team of people who will be able to focus on that. You don't need to bring those people in to get off the ground in the same way. Right, it's that fast start and we got to learn. There's so much to learn here with any startup, but in mine as well, to really get some of that user experience, get the feedback. We have a lot of good ideas and I think what we have now is helpful. I have a long-term roadmap with a lot of great ideas, but it's going to take a lot of user feedback to say, is this work? And the serverless lets you try things quickly. I can get in front of people, get that learning cycle going and iterate as fast as possible. And so that'll be really important. Well, Ken Robbins, really help you, appreciate you educating our audience about Cloud Tag Board. Wish you best of luck with the solution. Yeah, I appreciate being here. All right, for Corey Quinn, I'm Stu Miniman. We'll be back with more coverage here from AWS Summit in New York City. Thanks as always for watching theCUBE.


Well, hello and welcome to understand, or Jonathan from the heart. I'm Jonathan Asley of JonathanAsley.com. And I'm so excited to be doing this short video for you today. Our topic, if he does these two things, if he agrees to these two things, he's ready for commitment. All right, really quickly, if you're brand new to my YouTube channel, please hit the subscribe button, hit the bell so you can be notified of new videos. And if anytime during this video, the content resonates with you, please hit that like button so I can be seen in the YouTube algorithms. Really quickly, these are my weekend videos I shoot out on my balcony, very similar to the videos I shoot in my private group called Midlife Love Mastery. This is a group where you can have direct access to me on a regular basis. And I shoot videos based on the questions you write in the group. So check out the link below to my VIP group. So we're going to talk about a more serious topic today. And I think it's a rather, rather important topic that we lean into in relationships today, because I think there's a lot of clueless human beings out there. I'm sorry to say it that way. But we have this, there's this almost fantasy about how relationships should be without really understanding the mechanics to a healthy, happy relationship. And I want to read you something. It's a YouTube post I did on my community page several days back. And I want to read this out loud to you. Because I think this illustrates a point that might help you understand what's going on with dating, mating, and relating today. So the post starts off random thoughts. For most of the world and throughout history, basic survival needs were at the forefront of almost everyone's mind and actions. And in the last 50 plus years, humans spend less time hunting for food or fighting to maintain shelter nearly close to what it was like hundreds, if not thousands of years ago. What's left is the expansion or experience of our inner world of emotions. And it seems to me that almost everyone is dysfunctional in this realm, but almost everyone thinks that they're not part of that dysfunctionality. Whether you're a man or woman, mental health is mental health is a serious issue and it manifests in a variety of ways, such as psychological abuse, depression, selflessness, toxicity, self-destruction, self-criticism, and even anger a result of those who haven't had help to create the skills to manage their emotions. And social media has amplified this in an unexpressive ended way, which is also causing humans to implode. Unhealed wounds and traumas, big or small, or at the root of this epidemic of emotions running amok, as well as a constant public exposure of our lives through social media and the addiction to technology to replace true human connection. Is it just me or is anyone else seeing the destructive cause by the lack of tolerance, compassion, and forgiveness for those who are struggling in all forms with emotional distress, even those who are causing the pain and the need for personal development, self-help, and spiritual work to create a little bit of balance in an already chaotic world. And don't get me started on politics, I said. As Rodney King says, can't we all just get along?  I notice a habitual problem with many women is that they blame men for all of their unhappy relationship experiences. They blame men for all their unhappy relationship experiences. You know, it's so fascinating to me. If you go to any men's group, you know what they do? They're pointing the finger at women and women are pointing the finger at men. And yet nobody, very few people are actually looking inward to see how could I be the cause of what's going on. And just like I shared in the post, there's this delusion that I'm the person, I'm not the dysfunctional person. And yet what is the definition of insanity? It's doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results. And why this is so prevalent today is because of a narrative that no longer exists. And what I mean to say is we no longer live in an environment where women are as dependent upon men as they ever were in the past. So now we can make better choices on who we choose to mate with. And yet our current dating or mating strategy is based on chemistry and romance as an indicator of relationship success. And yet sadly, men in the beginning stages of dating, we don't operate from the place of I want a relationship. I want a relationship. I'm on a relationship. Most men operate, not almost, operate from a place of limerence or lust, limerence or lust. Limerence means extreme infatuation.  This is why whenever you've experienced a man coming on strong, whenever you've experienced limerence from a man, this is a man who most likely hasn't tempered himself. He doesn't have the self-discipline, nor does he have the emotional maturity or relationship skills to actually lean into a healthy, happy relationship. Because the reality is is most humans are dysfunctional in their emotional maturity and relationship skills. And if you haven't seen my chart before, I'm going to show it really quickly. If you're brand new to my channel, by the way, I say emotional maturity relationship skills. This is not a fact. It's an opinion. But I believe roughly 20% of the population has clinical issues. I mean, real clinical issues. And while I say 20% of the population is healthy, I'm being generous when I say healthy, because most humans are dysfunctional. Myself included. I've had terrible relationship skills throughout most of my life. Most of my life. And I've operated from the premise that chemistry equals relationship success. And this is why the dating practice is process is so dysfunctional because it hyper focuses on the chemistry without really determining true compatibility with another human being. So what is the cause of all of this dysfunctionality, emotional lack of emotional maturity, a lack of relationship skills? Well, there's a little bit of irony. I'm wearing my Grinch shirt, grow your heart three sizes, and it's a great story of when a little boy, little Grinch, was had his feelings hurt when he was very young. And as, I mean, and deeply hurt deeply, deeply hurt, and as he aged, that hurt started to put armor around his heart, and it actually began shrinking his heart from an emotional perspective because of this hurt he had at his as a child. And as he aged, he took that hurt and he projected it out to the community in a very unkind, unhealthy way. And yet sadly, this story is an illustration of so many people out there who have been hurt. Now they might not do as egregious things as the Grinch did, but it might manifest in other different ways. It might manifest in ghosting someone. It might manifest in dismissing someone. It might manifest in not validating a person's feelings. And this habitual, you know, it might seem like abuse from the from the receiver's end, but to the person who's giving it, they're completely unconscious and aware because they're, they're literally have been covered in so much armor of pain, that they're not even aware that they're causing harm to another human being. And this is sadly where the way men are treated, they're women, view men and men view women. This is sadly how we view each other. We are oftentimes men and women just experiencing the pain from another person. This is why I'm such a big proponent of those who follow my work to do the personal development, self-help and spiritual work to actually lean into a healthy, happy relationship.  Anyway, I mentioned it in every video, by the way, the link below to Jonathan recommends books. Folks, I was a dysfunctional human being, an emotionally immature dysfunctional human being, and it took, it took years of working on myself to actually be in a place where I could actually communicate my thoughts, feelings and emotions in a way that can be seen, heard and understood. And just because, you know, and I'm going to, this is going to sound like a judgment, ladies, but I want to be clear in many cases, just because you can articulate your feelings to your friends, which oftentimes is a lot of storytelling and talking to actually be able to do that with your partner, oftentimes you don't land on them, your thoughts, your feelings, your emotions.  Well, first off, you can sit in your feminine energy all day long, which basically means just laying there. That's all that means just receive where you could actually lean into instead of leaning back, leaning into your own personal development, so you can actually start leaning into a relationship with someone else. And it's incumbent upon humans to learn better communication skills, to learn the mechanics to a healthy, happy relationship, to actually want to grow in a relationship with someone else. Otherwise, we're just spending time with people. And repeat that most couples are in, for those of us in midlife, most couples are in casual relationships and all they're doing is spending time with one another. They're not actually growing the deep roots of trust that actually helps forge a awesome, juicy, delicious, committed relationship. So you're now probably wondering, well, Jonathan, can you get to those two things that you said that men need to agree to do? Folks, if you watch my channel, you know, I habitually say the following.  Eight Dates by Doctors John and Julie Gottman. That helps you create the conversations to determine if you're actually compatible with one another, if you actually want the same things. But Jonathan, that's going to sound like I'm recommending interrogation. Folks, let me just say this, I am getting email after email after email from women on my YouTube channel, sharing that they've done exactly what I've said and the men are grateful. They are grateful because there are so many good guys out there, they're just bad daters. And there's a lot of wounded people out there that oftentimes need to do more Herculean work before they're ready for a serious relationship. This is why I'm such a big proponent for everyone to consider reading the book, the Hoffman process, the Hoffman process, because this is a deep dive into healing childhood wounds and traumas and adult traumas that cause our negative patterns and our limiting beliefs in our life and our inability to be emotionally present in a relationship. Emotionally present to be in a relationship think about that. Physically present is easy. Everybody can do physical presence. In fact, most men are, we've been indoctrinated with our sole job to be in a relationship is to be the provider protector. And yet if you want a deeper, fuller, richer relationship, it's going to require to lean into the emotional aspects of a relationship. So to piggyback on the book eight dates because I said the relationship skills, the communication skills for men and women alike are absolutely dysfunctional. I highly recommend reading the book nonviolent communication by Marshall Rosenberg, nonviolent communication. It should have been called compassionate communication. It will help you ladies and it will help men. I'm hoping men are watching this, but for you ladies to learn better communication skills so you can actually evoke and inspire him to lean into the kind of relationship that you want. So these two things he has to agree to. First is reading these books that I recommend. Reading the books eight date before you become physically intimate with them. Maybe reading the Hoffman process. Definitely consider reading nonviolent communication and my book is optional and yet I will tell you it is the pathway for those. It's just a simple pathway to actually start to come from a more empowered place to be in relationship. The second thing if he agrees to this he's ready for commitment. My coffee mug says do all things with love, do all things with love. The second thing if he agrees to do this is to actually agree to either doing couples counseling or therapy or for himself individually or within the two of you or more importantly there are hundreds if not thousands of couples workshops literally right around the corner from where you live most likely or at least within you know hundreds of miles depending on if you're in a rural area or not that can actually you can literally Google couples workshops and suggest this as part of your mating ritual is part of your mating dance is to agree that to say look I would like to be an I would like to explore a fully committed relationship with you. You say that to a guy I'd like to explore that and at the same time I'd like to grow something instead of just spending time with you would you agree to do couples workshops would you agree to doing couples therapy even as a way to help build our relationship stronger and I'm only suggesting this for those who haven't done much personal development work. For those men there are men who do therapy there are men who do therapy and they're at least far ahead of the curve from those who don't now I'm not saying you tell the guy he has to do therapy I'm saying suggesting this as a practice in your relationship to do couples workshops. You know it's interesting I saw a Instagram commercial or a little sponsored ad the other day and it showed three women talking at a restaurant and one of the women gets a text from the guy she went out with last night and she kind of dismissed the text and the girlfriend saying why'd you dismiss the text. She goes you know he you know he was tall he was handsome he has a great job why would you dismiss his text she goes he lost me at school I don't do therapy. Folks we are a dysfunctional world it's let's just agree I mean well you don't have to agree on it I'm just sharing with you that's the reality when I mean dysfunctional I mean we're dysfunctional here in the United States in ways that I can't even begin to start sharing okay I mean I can but from an emotional and relationship skills because we weren't taught this in our youth and we weren't taught by our parents often times the things we remember most were all the negative things do you realize humans spend 80% of their thought process in negative thoughts and usually their repetitive thoughts of the thousands and thousands of thoughts in a day most of it's negative it's time to fill our heart with love and just like the Grinch when he was able to open his heart when he was humbled in such a way to open his heart he wanted to be a giver and there are plenty of men who want this in a relationship how do you vet for these guys hey check out the link to a discovery call with me to see if working with the coach is right for you that's my job is to help you ferret out to vet which guys are willing to do this right from the very beginning versus the ones who are going to say I don't need therapy therapy is for losers I don't need we don't need you know our love is going to carry us on folks I'm recommending this you can take it for what it's worth I mean you don't have to listen to it but if you definitely want to lean into a deeper committed relationship then I would recommend if he agrees to these suit things you have a greater chance of success and that's what I'm merely saying today all right I'm sure you have a lot to say about this if you enjoyed this video please hit that like button if you have something to say post a comment below I do my best to read them all and if you find value in wanting to connect with me then check out the link to my membership group called midlife love mastery check out the link to my to schedule a discovery call with me or follow me on my podcast all right I'm going to wrap up this video as I always do first off give myself a big gigantic Jonathan Perug of self love I'm going to reach into the camera and give you a hug of love if that's okay I'm asking you to turn to a friend to pat a teddy bear pillow um here's my teddy bear give it or them a hug of love because hugs are a great source of love and let's face it we could all use more love in our lives thanks a bunch bye bye