that's so exciting I was about to do like I'll just sing the rings of power theme and I was like I don't remember it so I know I can't remember either I couldn't tell you much about the music for rings of power I think it could be a good one no no no and then there's the chorus over that says rings of power I was out with the boys last night with a lot of drinks and then we went back to my home and then we had even more drinks until like four in the morning um you have a drinking problem no I stopped yeah and today was my grandma's birthday so I had some program to attend to as well so that was all right uh so that was some some food guess who was the who was the one who got the program for her birthday that's pretty crazy I know right so I had some food there and that's a little nasty food last two days and I'm kind of regretting it now because my belly is like why why did you do this to me like what are you doing so yeah if you see me nasty food nasty food yeah like good like good good delicious food but oh you shouldn't eat it all the time basically especially if you eat clean most of the time and then you go like I'm gonna have some carbs now and today too and then next they're like you are a moron oh you shouldn't pick on yourself so much everyone else does it enough that's that's true let us be hard on you don't be hard on you it was it was fun times that lots of drinks were had last night so that was good because we we stopped the day with playing a drinking game so it was basically like you take that those many shots and drinks and sips and bam bam bam bam them just all passed out at 4am it was great I know Bam Bam he's a Flintstones character that's right he's the he's the youngest or the older son okay anyway I mean it's good that I was like this is full name so yeah yeah which is what a name but uh I was gonna say a lot of people are like oh I thought you were gonna do a break why is it no break look it's not my fault the the will decided to release a bazillion tv shows all at once at the literal time we said we wanted to have a break it seems like the universe doesn't really care what we have to say which is a bit mean it seems how much had to fucking release two episodes like Amazon they could have delayed it by a couple of weeks for us but they didn't so are they always gonna release some pairs I fucking hope not well so I was gonna ask for this right amdall got released uh got delayed by two weeks did it not is it was another thing did it I don't know not only was it delayed by two weeks they're releasing three episodes at once I was like wait so why not just release it on time maybe uh is it because they didn't want to be overshadowed but then I mean they're still releasing at the similar times to the hulk and powers of rings rings of rings of fleams so I don't know if you mean did you mean to write unleashed in the title and not unleashed or am I um no it totally says unleashed you just read it wrong I'm pretty sure it 110 percent definitely you're totally not just changing it right now it must be a glitch or something on your end particularly yeah I've noticed that happens sometimes yeah it turns out that it was right yeah it shows the correct one oh yeah now that I read reloaded and you totally didn't change it well that happens it fixed it fixed it's good good stuff yeah you just get your computer paid and uh we should get to go so it's good that we've now let you know about that incredibly yeah yeah because I was confused I was confused I admit it so why don't we get some some answers out of the way quickly uh well me and rags the last time we did I think an anniversary stream we had to do a big old series of catch ups that we released as one big thing so we'll probably do that for the anniversary so it's still on the way um is this so out of the four shows being and or she hulk rings of power and house of the dragon what is the plan I've let people know before but I'll just do it again quickly for those who are curious house of the dragon will not be covered by efap pretty much at all you'll hear me say it in passing but uh if you want what I think of it you'll find it on gary's channel weekly doing a show with him and I think possibly shad I'm not sure do weekly coverage of the weekly episodes and I'll let people on here know what I thought overall if it was to finish up um right now it's looking pretty okay to good in the running of these tv shows if you will second up uh let's say she hulk what's the plan for that um no minis but definitely coverage on efap including coverage of videos probably defending it you're gonna see some she hulk stuff back and forth more than likely especially all of the episodes are gonna get covered it's just exactly when is a little bit difficult to figure out but you know we'll get there rings of power that's gonna get coverage in the form of the the mainline episodes as well exactly how and when everything will happen uh it you know it's not exactly sure uh we'll do two in two episodes today does that mean we'll be doing two episodes again in two weeks from now who knows could be that we wait for three to come out or four I don't know exactly and then as for and all uh right now the most likely is minis though they won't start up until late September that's when it's coming out right um so you know at the earliest you'll see a mini on the first episode of andor the end of September and uh 21st right so and that's three episodes all at once so that's gonna be fun which means the andor episodes will be releasing at the same time as the halloween arc is releasing all of that and we're doing a bunch of multiple dreams and efaps to do with the halloween yeah lots of stuff I'm gonna try and do the efap tv format for the first time with and although that'd be that'd be neat um yeah so we got that we've also got like three other episodes that are planned ahead with guests and particular videos for them coming up in the next month or two so it is just absolute chaos uh also the halloween stuff isn't ready yet um I'm rushing to get it all finished up with the people involved with it but we're very excited to show you what it is we mentioned I think in passing in a couple of times what it is but you got yourselves a franchise of halloween horror movies we covered with a very spooky very scary is it very scary I think it's a it's a cast of eight people that are all we were watching it with with a bonus movie thrown in just because I was terrible at organizing at the beginning well all explained in those videos so yeah um basically what I'm saying is you're about to get in total over the next two weeks a whole bunch of efap episodes as per normal a whole bunch of uh minis for a whole tv show 12 episodes in total I believe you're gonna get like seven efap movies I think in total and um you know coverage of all three of four shows but obviously four if you uh want to chase me over to the neurotics channel as well oh you know there's this stuff we got stuff coming um but today we're not talking about stuff we're talking about ranks of hour that's not that's stuff why do you say it why do you say ranks of power like that wait for no video game coverage I don't think we can fit video game is there any video games coming out in this time uh d d d o games coming out more so in october right so because I don't know that so and stuff I don't even I literally don't nothing about are we covering that if we want to what's happened to that I don't know I'll be playing on warfare too I think okay I might I don't know I don't really have any interest in it at all right we'll turn first coming out like this week but oh the last one last of one yes last of us one remake came out uh I'm I'm too busy there's no way I've got time for that I just can't so then what we got the next one I think the next one I'm looking forward to is probably scorn that's in october yeah scorn that and calisto protocol ones that we're probably gonna want to cover a pomech heart yeah okay games aren't off the table entirely I just don't you know how it be they'll be around when they're around I feel when we can find a game we all really kind of care about and are interested in and want to discuss that's when it'll happen you can't force these things we got a dense eight hour podcast obviously of uh of game coverage on the anniversary I thought was was pretty neat for those looking for game stuff wasn't wasn't that the way that the anniversary was organized was quite neat I thought you know with first first eight hours was games second eight hours was uh discussing stories plus uh we had the the kanobi plus marvel just like that that sort of section and the third section was like memes and uh random text arguments and then sexy stories about clowns um we had the let me have the really weird videos that we watched right at the end that feel like a fever dream um though you know hopefully that all was was fun for you I like how the last episode was fully released on muley yesterday it's like right on then on we go so yeah for those who don't know we did want to break we really did I did I just I don't if I was to leave these two episodes and we just have a gap episode you understand with all the stuff we've got to cover we got to get this shit going to the point where I'm like should we just start up should we just start talking about this I um what format should we go in for chronological but also giving a little intro for what all four of us thought I don't know it seems that this is a very controversial show already we already knew this would happen so don't panic oh yeah uh I'm going in trouble on Twitter a couple with with two different sides of a big war that's going on oh the culture war as they say and um I thought I think it's a topic worth discussing at this point because I was like surprised at how many people were angry at me for this so we don't we we've never thought about this really on each other in the passing that we do we have a take on it so maybe we'll share it I guess but um it's too take four sorry I haven't said it yet rags you fucker so you got I sat down you fucking it's just I sat I sat up because I ruining because I have a dog I have a pump onto my chair my precious momentum my flow it's gone basically stop right now it's like it's gone no I've I've I've increased your momentum I've squeezed the flow which makes it faster put your thumb over a hose what are you saying is he's raising my blood pressure so we got um we got the whole review bombing right that's a thing that everyone's been talking about but before we get to that angle and the the other people who are commenting on whether or not they like the show and stuff we'll go with the first set which was I I put out a couple of tweets just about how I thought how good I thought the show was um and I got a you know a bunch of people on Twitter saying like yeah agreed or I think you're being too harsh you know normal stuff but then I got a couple people being like you fucking broke the rule I was like where and it's like you watched the show you weren't supposed to watch it I was like I don't know when's this happened I never agreed to talk about this I talked about how I'm gonna watch rings of power for the past like fucking however many months I've known it's coming out I was like what what yeah and so like and there was getting like thousands of likes about how I failed and how I've screwed up and I was like I had no idea what the fuck is happening and apparently it was like this whole group of people that agreed to not hate watch the show in order to not fluff the numbers to convince amazon that it's doing well and thus make more and I was like oh I don't believe in that I think that's retarded yeah like I I get well you you're angry at me for that but I never agreed to that I don't even think it's a good argument I think it's a really playing that game that's not us like if you if you wanted to have the discussion I think that's totally fair but the idea that if you watch it that increases its view count and thus its success versus the damage you do by breaking it down and I say damage the reality you provide of how good this is or how well written this is like do you really think that the increase in viewership provided by our coverage and discussion of it is going to outweigh the destructive force of not of what we may or may not say about it and then I was thinking to myself like yeah but what if it was good then you'll then you'll help it and it's like well that's fine that's fine if it's good if it's good yeah I like that right we want it to be good don't we and that and then I had this sort of realization I was like yeah we've never run this way we we at EFAP are like we're gonna watch the thing and then tell you how coherent it was and then move on to the next thing that is it the the whole like cultural element we we tend to sort of not not really into that um yeah but we'll discuss it if you want to but we really try to go for the whole robotic element of uh we just want to break it down and tell you how how well it sticks together or doesn't yeah we're lifeless puppets who don't understand art well yeah what was it were your lifeless shells of man or something that's like a fucking old-ass reference oh yeah something like that that is it we never have fun it's only a bit of goldie yeah um but you know and that's not to say that you shouldn't have these discussions and and uh and fights on your whoever shows or discussions you have and it's just not what we do and um and I don't think it's as effective uh the two options of ignoring its existence and hoping it goes away versus watching it and breaking it down on its terms which is what we do all time I think we like to do it we like to fucking go in there and be like all right was this any good all right because today we're gonna be highlighting positives and what we have with potential negatives and I don't think that uh amazon because I started trying to make these arguments and some people like you understand amazon to amazon a view is a view they do not care if you're saying mean things about it now absolutely there may be evidence they really care about reviews just they clearly do care amazon have stopped people from reviewing it do you really think they don't care I don't know that was that was interesting well I guess it's just you know let's put it this way if you presented amazon with two choices one where they get to be in a world where everybody loves their show or one where they get to be in a world where everybody hates it that they're just like who cares you know like they're just completely indifferent to the response yeah so they don't like it when you're negative but that's we already know this is true therefore you should probably let you you known especially if it's going to be uh something you think is important to changing minds in terms of going against the grain that is amazon is doing great which by the way is a really important element that I don't think people are addressing if you keep an eye on the discussion of rings of power and you wipe out all of the uh people who aren't supposed to be hate watching it quote on quote you're going to wipe out the majority of the criticism of this show you'll be left with lots of big accounts being like this show's incredible it's even better than the original everyone should watch this now if you're a rando who um you know this this happened with game of thrones and uh tlj a lot of other things as well but you'll you'll get a guy who just you know will go will go just watches something and they're like oh man I feel this way about it I want to go check see if anybody else does on the internet and all they find is positive reviews will be like huh okay maybe I'm maybe I'm a bit biased here you know yeah okay fair enough um so why uh you know what why would you take away all the voices they're gonna be helping you break it down because if you just have people saying I'm pretty sure it's bad I haven't seen it you know how bad that looks for like criticism and um if there is this sort of culture war this fight that people are referring to then you're gonna want to have the best arguments on you rather than just saying no I'm pretty sure it's bad um um oh we got a super chat just come in this relevant to this conversation you say stop supporting this trash as you support said trash by watching it don't you think that's a little hypocritical well if you want to go by how much support is given don't you think by being hypocritical of it to the point where our audience tell us that my regularly if not all the time that they do not watch the stuff instead use us as a conduit to understand just how bad it is as opposed to watching it themselves then ultimately we are not supporting it would that not be true is this like I guess is that I guess it surely this isn't a real thing that we have to deal with yeah this is the thing like are you not supposed to watch it like when is this ever applied to anything we've ever covered ever I didn't realize this argument actually got some weight so there's people who actually I thought it was like almost a joke yeah um I didn't think this was something people actually believed that uh when you review a thing incredibly negatively that that's helping it I didn't think that people thought that that's apparently no one could be stupid enough to think that they do and I don't know how else we can provide the arguments to explain how this works um corporations hate having negative reviews uh absolutely if they didn't then how come they constantly do all the shenanigans they do with review scores and whatnot and uh we recommend that everyone give it give it a second and let us uh go through it and then see if we recommend it I've already said that there's a chance that I'll recommend House the Dragon by the end I'm not doing it yet now um and that and that's from the angle of we're trying to sort of make a difference if you will that that would be the approach I think is best to have just a couple of people reviewers assesses critics whatever watch it and then give you guys a you know an assessment and then recommend or not based on that um the idea that if we all just don't watch it it'll go away it's like I don't think you realize how many people are watching this and celebrating it so you've got no other angle to it it's just gonna it'll just go on amazon's frustration right now is that people are giving it negative reviews you like if you this this battle is sort of happening whether you want to participate in it or not if everyone who is going to be oh because you'll probably I mean I guess you said it earlier in a really good way that if you just think it's going to be terrible and you're going to be very critical of it and it turns out to not be good then your reviews out your your voice out there is not going to exist I mean to be fair your voice should be squashed if you're going to say it's terrible without watching it and you're wrong yeah you've got no value to the discussion at that point so uh you know being like stop watching the trash stop supporting it it's like hey I ain't spoiling it this is certainly not what it would be considered no one said don't watch The Rise of Skywalker no one said don't watch Doctor Strange no one said don't watch Black Widow all this stuff because we've had it's just a stream of trash coming off of you know Disney and whatnot no one ever said don't watch that no one said don't watch Kenobi you know I I guess this is the one that we've just come up with this very bizarre rule about you don't even need you don't even watch it what if it's good yeah because when you don't God I'm just annoyed so a lot of times we hear people say it's like oh these guys clearly haven't watched the thing they're talking about when we obviously all watched it and then now all of a sudden we don't you're not supposed to watch it yeah like taking pride in not watching it at all but simultaneously arguing it's really bad I just don't that's the position that's ready to crumble apart yeah it's like oh why didn't you like it's like I just didn't watch it didn't hate watch it's like oh yeah like guys what are we this is exactly what people say about EFAP and its work all the time yeah I don't have to watch it I know it's bad like that ain't uh that either way we want to go about this okay we would rather tell you what it is how it's failed if it's failed and whether or not to uh well whether or not to support it and we're gonna make it clear as to what opposition on that is eventually it's not any sort of attitude that I want to foster in my community this idea that you like you don't even watch it don't even like like what plug your head in the sand like an ostrich and just pretend it doesn't exist and while other people are out there and they watch it and then they put out their good reviews of it and your discourse just doesn't it doesn't exist to counter it and the same thing like if you looked into it more you'd understand this better it's like I understand it perfectly I just don't think it's a good argument I never have yeah EFAP has never thought this is a good argument yeah I think this was spearheaded now because there was like this article that came out that said uh the this show depends if amazon studios is gonna continue or something I think that's where this all started with but then our argument the argument still stands the same because if you don't watch it and there's all these people giving them the good reviews and all the people who don't want to watch it won't be saying it's bad and why they're gonna be like oh that was a triumph then we're gonna make 17 more yeah this is the thing you can run the logic in all the different ways you want but we'll just have to look at examples right so you got terrible take from all of the opposite of love is indifference less conflict equals don't feed algorithm equals less less successful so you know how that bat woman show got cancelled even though it got completely covered and run into the ground remember that resident evil show on netflix that got covered to hell and back and went into the ground you really think the coverage of it negatively will keep these shows alive i'm sorry you're wrong you are incorrect and trust me the world with e-fap and friday night tights and critical drinker and everyone else are all silent on whether or not this show is bad for what it is that doesn't that doesn't damage the show i'm sure amazon would much rather critical drinker and as and ourselves not talk about it then come out and say that it's terrible and you shouldn't watch it yeah i'm sorry this i know you're all very passionate but this just doesn't hold up and trust me in the long run this will do much more to make a difference to break it down on in fact i'm i'm quite happy with the fact we've got so many different angles to this like obviously what you're going to be seeing today is if i break this down from within itself we're going to try and keep references to anything outside of it to a limited if not zero they're gonna be a couple times i'm going to want to talk about how they did certain things in other things but not in the sense that hey this shouldn't be this way because it was like this in the other thing we're going to try and beat it on on the terms of what it is itself um what a great thing to just hear from me that this is the thing now what you don't supposed to watch it it's like for me it is like the first time i'm going through this whole sludge hole we'll cover everything as well you final and i'm going to be hearing and i'm going to be hearing people saying oh you shouldn't have watched it it's like oh cool the final aspect is worth mentioning some people like you see when you go on your amazon prime account you hit place like that's algorithmically gonna tell them blah blah blah it's like huh we're not going to tell anybody how to consume a show all right nor will we explain exactly how we consume shows you may think whatever you want about how exactly we make no claims no claims are made at all uh you go right ahead and assume whatever you want about how exactly the show was watched ultimately though what we're saying is wait until the season's over and we'll tell you whether or not it's recommended um and from there you can do whatever you want if you're concerned as to whether or not your view will help amazon thrive i.e it's gonna cost a couple of views in exchange thousands will be taken away very simple utilitarian mathematics i suppose as dr strange was all about this okay uh our sacrifice will mean much more in the grand calculus of the multiple of the algorithm grand calculus of the algorithm uh but this didn't come up with kanobi i don't know where that was so people weren't as passionate about that i i'd still know i hate this attitude i'm not going to foster it in fact i am starkly opposed to it yeah i'm i'm pretty much i think that's it um i'm hoping not to cover this again because i thought it was bizarre that it got traction like the whole i don't watch it that's precisely what they want it's just like we'll be fine don't you worry uh they fucking hate that we exist saying the things are bad trust me on that one so uh the other angle i was going to talk about was that yeah i was getting i've seen a lot of almost more viral than the ones that are negative post praising the show saying it's fucking great phenomenal there's these weird articles that are coming out saying like this is the cinematic masterpiece better than the original trilogy and it's just like um okay well at least we didn't watch it yeah i uh so um i guess that's that almost is the final argument in the final nail in that coffin seeing so much praise for the show i was like holy shit i uh i had no idea that it was going to be getting this much coverage in a positive light so i'm more than ready to discuss what actually happened in it to let you guys know and to maybe give give an opinion or two about how how it's going um i had a lot of fun on friday night tights last night i recommend you guys check out we wrote ripped it to uh threads not to give an idea of exactly where we're going with this but uh yeah the the sort of wider context for this was was i was relatively unaware of a lot of the meta surrounding it um i i had been shown bits and bobs here and there but like i uh i was more than ready to just be like all right let's just give the show a chance like i do with everything else and um yep well we had results so i guess is there anything else or should we just get into it i i think we can just get right into it no sense uh i guess i know mm i was thinking maybe we could all give a give a blurb but i wonder if it's just better to go as we're probably relatively similar and we can just go i imagine we probably are um i think i imagine we'll all probably line up on this has fringy seen it did you see it mm-hmm okay and that has as well so the excitement it begins um so yeah we begin we're gonna be getting a galadriel is our main character and we're we're going back in time quite a bit this is the second age from what i gather and this is the thing like i said i'm gonna try and just go from what they tell you in the show as opposed to gathering from other sources but there are you know it's just tempting sometimes to be like oh i know galadriel i recognize that one there's a how neat and yeah we see her in the beginning playing with some other some elf kids and they're all like you you fuck what are you doing and she's she's making a real cool bit of origami to the point of uh it's just it seems you'd you'd argue is it magic is there magic attached to this origami thing is bad is it fucking impressive it's uh it's a former it's funny she says they're like is it gonna float and she's like it will not float it will sail when she puts it in the water i was awkward like oh that doesn't have a sail i said the same thing to myself watching it all it's like that doesn't have a sail lied to me but that's the thing she's made one of the most impressive origami ever that like unfold as it's going and it becomes like a dragon boat it's uh it's so impressive they had to use computer graphics in order to does make you wonder it's like because it can't it can't be just can't be done i suppose but she seems to do like chanting thingies like like she's doing magic with it i guess is she doing magic but i don't even know anymore because you just you could never quite tell i mean she's because she's kind of doing like the noises like the the whispers and then it does the thing maybe it's alive maybe she's just insane i don't know seriously it is a an incredible bit of origami and i completely understand these children getting upset over it in terms of jealousy and just be like you got to knock this person down a few pegs you know this is unacceptable in elvish they were saying i wish that i could make origami votes as good as gladrile exactly yeah she's so very she's so incredibly talented and she she really isn't like other girls nil bulia so very mean and she tackles one of them i think and then her brother's like yo chill out and uh you can tell they're already characterizing her as she doesn't she's gonna she's gonna fight back when people pick on her right she's that she's that kind of character i guess okay she is our main gal for this i was gonna say season but i guess it's probably the whole show the expected five seasons of this they ain't gonna get rid of her she's there they really like you know to damage technically homage you she's got a whole life ahead of her that's gonna need to even the third of the ages um oh yeah her brother brother picks her up we get the first sort of like we hang on what like do you want to know why a rock sinks and a ship doesn't oh this conversation can we can we have we're gonna have to have a just discussion at some point about pointless flowery conversation yeah yeah i was also i pause this and like you couldn't just get a like a rag or a or some wet paper and put it over your knife you had to do that too like even that you have to CGI you know oh is the paper on his knife CGI is what you're saying i think it looks like it i can't even tell look at it and it looks like a picture at least now it's just come on guys it that must be really disheartening to an actor to be like now we're gonna CGI the thing on your knife so just act like you know it's on the knife i can see what you mean it looks a little bit awkward but i don't know i could be told that's physical and believe it i guess i don't know oh no you're right it does look odd actually yeah it doesn't move very naturally and it's not yeah it's not um it looks stiff yeah why would it be stiff it's wet paper it'd be all floopy because motion costs money they had loads of money well and we'll have to get into that earlier or not earlier later earlier it's past we can't we can't cover it earlier now you gotta have your gotta have your head to the head to the future and you're back to the past you have to kill the past or something but we're we are going to have to have some conversations one of them was the flowery language it doesn't mean anything conversation horseshit and the other thing is how can you spend so much money to make such a fake ass looking world but we'll get into that we'll get yeah because i i'm gonna just push back a little bit there's some things i think look real pretty but there are some things i think well there are some things yeah there are some things that look very pretty and there's a lot of things particularly environments to me that look very not real um but yeah when someone says to you why does a ship float in a stone doesn't i like i legit if i was i was forever like man where do you want to stop there are so many reasons like i remember we were watching and i was joking and i was like well it's because the boat displaces more water than it weighs or something like that like you know we've we figure this out we could build boats like that that's you don't assume that to be some sort of a crazy philosophical um like like metaphorical sort of question it's like let me talk to you about boats why does a boat float and then and then you give your answer and then that relates to maybe something right you don't instantly start off with this incredibly unhelpful confusing metaphorical conversation about truth and discerning false hoods of reality like this is awfully heady i'd say so uh also irrelevant to her situation currently i guess because she made the origami but no yeah you're i don't know why she made the origami boat she got bullied for it and then he's telling her about here's how you discern truth from you know fiction and like this like listen this this doesn't help me at all right now i'm a little emotionally compromised because all the other elf children believe me this does not help my situation whatsoever so that's the thing when you're sort of like trying to guess where they're gonna go with this it's like all right different student stone on a boat you know i'm trying to try and then he says well you know the stone looks down yeah the stone only sees downward before you even carry on you're like wait stone only sees downward i don't know so what about like mountains right are mountains only looking downward or just individual stones how far does this metaphor just fall apart but like it just keeps going getting weirder weirder it's like the darkness of the water is vast and irresistible like to the stone really yeah i remember the stone looks down because the water's irresistible i'm get lost have you ever seen snoopy come home i haven't all right snoopy come home is a it's a peanuts movie about snoopy like he goes off to visit someone that he used to know and then da da da and there's a part in it where linus and charlie brown are at the shore of a lake and then charlie brown picks up a rock and he throws it into the the lake and linus says charlie brown it took that rock millions of years to get to shore and now you've thrown it back charlie brown just goes aww and he's sad because charlie brown's he's a fuck up he can never do anything right no and that's what that's what this scene from rings of power reminds me of well it's a wonderful movie i really yeah that's the deep peanuts lore i really like snoopy come home it's got some really great songs in there super groovy um so yeah there's just this variable is to keep track of in this like metaphor whatever it is the the making she's already a child so it's gonna be hard enough to keep track of everything but so like you'll you'll stone in this seas and desires darkness uh and that's what the water is vast and dark it's just like okay and then he's like but the ship that feels darkness driving moment by moment to master here and the docks is trying to pull the ship under like wait so the stone wants to go to the darkness the ship doesn't then the darkness will grab you and pull you down if if you try and resist is that is that right i am i following the really it's mostly about the motivations of the ship and the stone rather than what they are i guess well because when when glad you're swimming later on right and the the the ship bits float by that ship it was not striving moment by moment to master the water and pour and i i don't know this is this is not the thing you tell an adult let alone a child it's it's it's this flowery very like ah prosy poetic sort of conversation that you have and it doesn't really relate to anything it's not it doesn't have any applicable wisdom or knowledge to it it's not going to matter to the person you're telling it to it's extremely out of place it's kind of it's like there's so much self-flating going on when it comes to the writing for this it's like someone who watched lord of the rings and they didn't know why that worked but they still tried to copy it um almost like a like a like an ai trying to recreate the lord of the rings in a sense and i think this conversation is right off the bat our first big example of that kind of conversation that's utterly pointless and meaningless and is not helpful it's a conversation that's supposed to exist for the audience to listen to and for us to go ah oh it's so deep and all meaningful but it's just it's empty and shallow and useless oh and it felt like it was like oh we're in for this are we like yeah yeah not a good first impression you got all that and that he's like but the ship has a secret like wait wait wait now yeah you're adding even more variables it has a poop deck what does this see what how does that work it's like for unlike the stone her gaze is not downward but up right so the stone was looking down the ship was looking up but the darkness is grabbing the ship down meanwhile i guess it doesn't grab the stone because the stone is just heading down anyway well the stone just wants to go down so that's why it sinks so easily i guess because the stone is a fucking piece of shit yeah fuck stones all right um but boats i would figure boats go forwards right boats aren't going upwards they go like yeah like a bird looks up right like a tree you can even say a tree is growing upward the implication is using arguably that to as a guide he's like the light guides like the the stars maybe is what he's referring to so the root of all of these problems with this analogy is that they had one thing that they wanted to achieve which is i guess what is meant to be the theme of the show which is oh when it's too bright you can't see like the bad things like that's that's like what they wanted this uh the scene to convey which i think it's fair to say some will pick that up some will be baffled her response was like what it's the one to punch it's his preachiness and her bizarre response it's practically a non sequitur i would yeah i would even go as far as saying it's just like you know um a stitch in time saves nine right is a thing that people say it just means solve the problem early on and it'll be much easier to solve than when it's left alone and it becomes much worse later on the prevention if a child responded to you same but what if your needle is broken you're like oh but that's not really it's a metaphor yeah like you're like that's not a metaphor does remind the needle the needle isn't an actual needle well that would be a useful way to maybe describe what metaphors are and what what symbolic languages and you know epithets not to be confused with epitaphs very different but you can you be telling what epithets are and you know what i think i was too generous with that it would be more accurate to say that her response would be what if see like stitching it makes it much worse or what if stitching it is actually not stitching it you just be like these questions are like i'm sorry what basically for those in chat wondering she says but what about when the light shines so brightly that it bounces off the water and it makes you think the water is actually the shiny thing it's so bizarre i've never had it's just it's like i'm here but in a bad way you know how when you have a scene and you say wow i feel like i was actually there and they normally mean a good thing this is the the negative version of that where i feel like i was there and they were talking to me as an audience member and ignoring each other mm-hmm yeah and and she's like so which light do i follow that it's like well it follow what it's so bizarre metaphor you are in a boat and the light is shining from the sun theoretically and it bounces off the water to the point where it's so bright you can't even tell which way is up it's like i think you got other problems at that point yeah you've got a bad case of her we got to bring you back to the valinor or something because it's shades yeah middle earth doing a number on your elf brain so yeah i like trying to understand this i was like what the fuck and then what is his response how does he you know square away all of these complications with his metaphor um like whispers to her and i think is this something we get later or is it just something we never find out i don't think that that i don't think we get it we do get it we do it it's yeah it's uh right before the end of episode one oh okay but uh oh wait this is episode one also name of this episode his name is fin rod it's a beautiful name um fin rod is a very yeah i just want to clarify this and she jumps in the water at the end that's so deep dude wow that's very deep yeah the the angle that he adds on though that you gotta discern it for yourself which means all the advice up to that point was just useless you gotta figure it out but it's like uh did you hear everything i said yeah just try it out man yeah and then he says like i won't always be here to tell this stuff to you which feels really weird coming from a race that doesn't die unless an immortal race like sort of thing yeah it does feel weird i won't always be here it's like but you like you you will right you won't always be here all down the stairs yeah any more or less than she will it doesn't quite for me it doesn't quite matter it's more of a thing that men or the race of man would say that they're younger it makes more yeah when you because like she'll be just as you know like when you guys but both like fucking five thousand years old you're not going to be like ah yes my very younger much younger sister at that point like you guys have both lived for a real fucking long time yeah uh the idea is like yes but i will still die before you it's like not necessarily at all actually with how yeah kind of you hit that middle age as an elf and you just sort of linger there right and then you keep living with i guess it's odd but they're used to it just to clarify some people like if they're immortal they wouldn't die so immortal in this case meaning they live for as long as they're not killed and i know that sounds retarded but what i mean is that they don't age they you know as long as they left you know they would fall off a cliff or get hit by a bus but they won't you know they won't so i have that line written down i i don't know if it's actually the line anymore because i don't remember the whole speech he gives i know for in rod's speech yeah do you want to keep it for for the end or should i just say it and then you can um i mean i'm not too bothered by jumping around on this um but because it won't take as long to get there obviously on the episode your question is whether or not you want to talk about what he says in relation to the the bow at the end of the episode right yeah no because you were wondering if we get it and i think we do get it but i'm now i'm not sure anymore if it's not just a normal flashback to what he said before but it seems like that's what he what he whispered no it does flashback it does no i think that was saying does it just flashback to what we already heard rather than what yeah we don't hear um well here we'll talk about when we gather i figure actually okay okay it won't be hard because like i said it's only an episode an hour and it's more so like 20 minutes worth of things um that's yeah you got all that and then and then they give us the lore dump which is that um and again i'm going to treat this like we don't know anything so they had a big old tree that was a source of light in their little little elf place and a big bad guy called morgoth burnt it or destroyed it real mean under your tree yeah we don't like him on nassle uh you uh you and lord and so the elves are like well fuck that we're gonna send our armies to go fuck him up and so let's join they they send a whole big so there's no sun yet right there's no sun yet it's just the tree that's very bright um i don't even have a commentary i don't know i have a very different question so the way it's presented it's like oh everything has been nice and dandy up until this point why do they have a army or is there just some information i'm missing that there were wars before that um because the way they portrayed to me is like oh everything was like super cool and chill up until then but then they burned our tree and then we send our armies and it's like why do you have an army well maybe they made they constructed or forced in an army once this had happened um you know there's there's plenty of ways that could come about i suppose uh i do wonder about the logistics so morgoth chills out in middle earth but he did jump over to valinor to fuck with their tree and then he came back to the middle earth like i you know and i'm not saying this doesn't make sense i'm just like i don't think they really gave me much to understand this i was just like okay he went back to middle earth and they're gonna go get him yeah it's it's not as succinct as the lord of the rings opening i don't know why you'd compare it to that rags oh i i guess it just occurred to me i guess the thought just floated into the name of the show is the lord of the rings the rings of power which again what a terrible fucking name just saying yeah um it should have just been the rings of power or something uh but i don't know i the the whole opening for this feels very that like they made a lot of odd choices in what to actually show and what to tell me um i feel like we did a pretty darn good job in the lord of the rings um just sort of setting things up and this feels less it feels more messy a little a bit more wandering in terms of the visuals were presented it felt more not only with the visuals but a lot of the music choices were strange um in this opening in particular yeah well uh i'll try and highlight one of the ones that i think that you pointed out as well when we get there we're pretty close but uh finally they've sealed the plot hole okay everybody see look what happens when the eagles go to mordor they get fucked up yeah they get fucked up look at this now imagine that eagle that got fucked up was carrying a little midget with magic ring exactly that would not been good uh so yeah you why did morgoth destroy the light of the tree did they don't say do they think he's just an asshole oh that tree is bright burn it what a dick am i right does he like suck the power from it or does he just he's just sick of all this light i think so because he's evil oh he's definitely he's okay capital e damn okay so they have a big ol fight uh and we see the the the brother is getting and getting involved feeling a bunch of big ol fight here uh a bit weird like there's like three orcs or i mean he gets the point being like five around him look like they're just trying to go for a hug i'm not really doing anything else but hey it's like a mosh pit at this point yeah everyone's just everywhere and uh yeah you know and it's just like so the big fight happened and they're like you know they said it would be over quickly but the war left middle earth in ruin like how how large of a like how how how large of a fight was this that it left middle earth and ruins that must have been some crazy fight yeah spanned across everywhere i guess that's the thing we don't get a lot of info on sort of left to the imagination a little bit which i guess is fine in terms of we need just the information we need to understand the story that tell in this show but um you know i get distracted by small things i've i've said this in it on friday night times as well but you see gladrials like mourning the dead lots and lots of elves and they just have this shot it was in the trailer what is this you steer me up more than dead elves you mean the helmet pile the helmet pile is so stupid yeah that that takes so much work like this is a piece of art on iran and to animate it in cgi this is an artwork to get this to be this perfect and to stay still um and uh yeah this will be one of the counter examples i would bring in like do you remember the the big pile of smoldering urukai in uh and orcs i guess in in two towers i was just a legit pile of things that they made and they were burning it to go yeah of course we got to make this pile for our movie fldings for doing it this perfect yeah i actually yeah right i said you'd need a crane constantly little elf crane you'd have to throw the helmets and then hope that they sort of stick so there'd be a lot of times where they threw it on it is like bounce off and they'd keep trying to get like you're playing basketball with the helmets trying to get the snack just right and then more and more just fall down when you throw it and fail and it's just yeah and i think it's very silly i thought it was fun as well just that if some guy was like oh this belongs to my brother i'll take this helmet and he takes it and it's like a few more full and then a few more full from where they were they'll just my brother's at the bottom uh you know it's i gotta have this helmet i know it's gonna come crash but i gotta have the helmet so i mean it it that's what they are the ones who stacked it up you can see they even got two helmets just outside of it on the floor like like to show it see it's not perfect it's like it is it's very perfect look at it uh incredible you could put this in a graph and it would look normal yeah to me it's a matter of uh you know any normal person would be like oh it's it's to represent uh the the great loss of life it's it's not supposed like why are you looking at this way yeah i just think it's an amateur way to present it i'm sorry i just think it's silly yeah you could have done this by like having a narrator who might have sounded sad or maybe an actress who looked sad or it's just something else because i just see a pilot a helmet and i'm like oh i guess a lot there's a lot of dead elves which i don't i don't really care about a lot of dead elves yet like in this story you know i don't i don't really feel a connection yet to this world um so trying to lay on the emotions i think that's enough in the opening to say that i mean if they'd shown a series of corpses i guess or a whole field of just death and blood i feel like that would get the point across better than this music matched better that might help oh yeah that sounds almost triumphant and like happy and hopeful this music or it's it doesn't feel like it matches the tone of what they want to say because if you were to look at this image of the massive helmet pile and then just say oh yeah imagine music imagine orchestral music over this you probably wouldn't be thinking of what's actually playing over it i love this poetry silly is a style issue not very objective so i already highlighted all the ways this the helmet doesn't make sense i'm also saying i think it's silly yes i think it's silly i don't think the music matches that not everything we do is strictly objective sometimes we give subjective opinions and explain ourselves yeah when i say something silly and yeah i guess that's not really objective kind of the point of the way we got us no everything we say is objective everything we'll have to go over it every even the people who fucking like this show might even make the mistake of being like wow that's not very objective we're not always like that we want there to be a difference we never said that we never say something that we feel jesus um so they they casually just say like that we defeated is morgoth it's like yeah it would show that oh this this war lost yeah centuries here's the helmet pile also we won yeah we beat yeah i just saw we beat morgoth i was just like we didn't even get to see him like okay we saw saran get beaten and the lord of the rings opening i guess i'm referencing that for some reason i don't know it just pops into my head every once in a while weird that was cool to see the final battle and his finger and he shrivels up and explodes and you know his silder grabs the ring that was neat but in this we get to get you invested and in the movie it's like damn look at all these soldiers and there's so many and there's this big five we see a skilder watch his father get killed and we're like oh that's yeah he has like a reaction to it it's like oh poor silder they may not have had the rights to show it i think it's weird that they'd have the rights to say it uh like use all the names and to say that it happened but not to portray it but maybe um so well um we got uh that that's just that's just actually happened there also like but he's still got a servant that remains called saran a lot of people going nuts over this uh this this visual here before we move on up just this uh the scene here where she's got that first helmet um that what a thing to wear in this scenario you know i guess that's what they it's a little bit picky it's a little bit picky but not it wouldn't have been my choice of wardrobe if i was gonna come out here after a battle to clean up the mess not i don't yeah i i wouldn't have worn this i you know i agree i wouldn't have worn that either i wouldn't have worn that would not have been my first choice i would have probably worn gloves uh i don't say my fan is too loud i can barely hear it myself why are my subtitles in arabic now i didn't talk to do that say every that's how she had to put it on the helmet on top she had to climb all the way up it's either that or the basketball maneuvers yeah maybe they just all throw it generally and the pile just sorts itself out it's like oh my god i can't believe that worked god damn i imagine just off screen there's a little guy who sorts it all out from let's them put it wherever they want and then he fixes it my pile no way she's climbing up that with all that all that falling you know what you know maybe because this is the part where she says now we learned many words for death is like you know what would have been really meaningful is like maybe if you cried like you had tears if you showed an emotion that just wasn't resting bitch face maybe she's very very stern that's what they call me trust me i'm sad is a is is a choice that you could make narratively so uh yeah saran he's he's around look at him go people like this is fucking glorious and amazing as a shot and i'm just like uh i forgot about that shot yeah it's neat i mean it's just it's the cool factor look at him yeah look at him yeah i mean it's a neat shot you know you got you got all his minions they're like all right boss we're ready to go to the battles or whatever it is we do and saran's like yeah let me just let me just be up here for a bit looking out over all of you minions i'm so proud of what we've accomplished yeah me too boss you've done a lot together yeah and then and then she's like my bro he died and uh because he was looking for saran but unfortunately saran found him first and killed him also not something we get to see yeah and and put his mark on him and she was like you know what fuck that i'm gonna take up my brother's quest yeah i guess we'll find out she she did she dropped a tear there rags look oh oh yeah she does that twice she does it on the the on the little ship ship rocky thingy there's like there's a single tear that comes out of her eye almost feels like um it like her face doesn't really give it off but that's fine you know just yeah maybe she's just that maybe yeah just so we can stand okay uh so yeah it's very sad but she's gonna take up the job of finding saran she don't fuck him up um so yeah they're like they they hunted him throughout all of middle earth took a while more centuries pass yeah which they seem very casually it was just like damn a long time so this could have been thousand thousand years already that we saw in this first couple of minutes uh a lot of centuries that just go by lots of landscape shots you know they're up to all kinds of things looking yeah that saran that pesky saran just running around doing his own thing and that sack of shit after boats which takes us to um they're like scaling a fucking huge frozen mountain thing and the first thought i had and i think a couple people do is just like was this really the best there were like way you could do this was there no other way this was this was a horseshit there's no way you're doing this seems i saw that absolutely the thing about mountains is that you could see them from a very long distance away so you could plan your route to include not scaling up of a massive vertical ice cliff with your knives um yeah maybe saran's at the top of this mountain we gotta climb up to find him that's one of the first things the equipment she's climbing with her fucking knife what and and they're a little pointy feet well yeah so just there's there's so many things to consider in terms of like safety and efficiency but she uses the knife and but the other ones have like actual like climbing gear hooks uh we see a lot of that knife that knife is her it's her special weapon oh yeah so they're all the time cool cool and she like jumps she like jumps and stabs the ice and everything which seems so unnecessary but it's cool looking that's all i got what is the oh cool trailer shot right yeah it is yeah um pretty much the fucking point of it but um oh just watching i was already like they don't have provisions or animals with them they're just they don't have like jackets or coats they must be cold as fuck up there yeah um well they'd be struggling to get up there and i think they eventually show she's like a herring command of a whole bunch of elves who like i said these guys are set to kind of find sauron yeah um and yeah they they only very narrowly make it to like uh let's just say a platform of some kind like a level of safety and they all look up and she's just going right on ahead she's fucking speed running this it's just already just like really hell this this thing could have been like a whole season climbing this thing it's but yeah we're all good it's fine um and i think it's supposed to give you a sense of the grand scale and adventure they go on for discovering whether or not sauron is around um but it also i guess informs the attitudes of her her elven compatriots yeah we are tired of fucking climbing can't we just walk around the mountain she's like no then i can't have my trailer shot um yeah he basically tells her that uh he wants to go back down which i thought was kind of funny right like after all that you'd think you'd at least search up here a little bit yeah we might as well we did come over to go i have ice on my face we have ice on our faces but why didn't we bring spots but what are we doing yeah we should have brought jackets yeah um and then he says uh as a point of like why we should bother you know how long can living flash endure with sunlight fears to tread implying that where they're going there is no sunlight so what are the odds of orcs and sauron being there which i was like wait hi probably isn't that like the whole thing with them they thrive in darkness isn't that the whole thing and didn't uh didn't he put out the big magic tree so he darkness is all right with him i said he likes darkness i'm pretty sure they're very pro they fought the orcs they must know about it yeah i mean mordor was like a pretty dark place and a lot of and a lot of times you know smoky and everything so that's yeah and it's just maybe my information is outdated and the old orcs actually really like the light i must have been it but i i just i thought this was weird i i was it genuinely comes across as a character saying like why would fish like water you know like um i don't know what to the point where on orcs like scared of sun it trolls like burning sunlight or turn to stone or whatever like yeah they did all sorts of nasty stuff is in the darkness i thought that's like the point the light is what you know like all the critters that come out at night you know they're not someone said it's literally in the show are you guys okay like yeah i'm i'm curious why an elf of a thousand years of warring and understanding the difference and necessary implications of orcs is wondering why an orc would be happy in darkness do you not you don't think that's weird that's really fucking dumb i don't know before they have their conversation they do that thing that they do a lot or they show in particular her like drawing her dagger and it makes the shink sound oh they like the shinks yeah she she takes out the dagger to point at a thing on the map and that's it and then she put it back in just use your fingers you have to show her you gotta show her drawing that dagger out again because someone said yeah it's just the fact that they they don't know the law it's like i don't think the show knows itself like i'm not even questioning whether or not it understands the law we've been we've been shown already that they're very preferable to the darkness that's why it's weird yeah that's that had me a little bit confused when i was watching it i was like that doesn't seem like something that you would you know say out loud only problem is you said sauron extinguish the tree i didn't if i said that i didn't mean to or morgoth morgoth did not sauron morgoth but sauron and him are like their their buds right they're pretty close i think yeah so i imagine if sauron wasn't okay with morgoth putting out the light tree then you know that that they are in cahoots so to speak so of course orcs like the dark he's saying the elves won't survive if they go there bro look at what he says it ain't that they aren't gonna survive it's why are the subtitles an arabic again it keeps changing the subtitles to arabic and speak the language he's trying to say that there's no point in looking for the orcs because he's pretty sure that they're fucking dead and then uh he's like how long can they survive with sunlight is not going to be there because uh i just i just think that it's a retarded thing to say that's all i i guess yeah he's how long can living flesh endure we're even sunlight fears to tread which so i guess it's referring to themselves like we're not gonna last long well wait hang on wait a minute orcs not living flesh that's news to me i don't know maybe like i don't know like the spooky thing like they're he could be referring to either himself or the orcs right i assumed he was it came it came right after saying that uh there's no reason to assume there's any more orcs so it's like if there's no orcs and the commanders are right and their enemies know more then we're just gonna hurt ourselves like we can't even endure here anyway and maybe the orcs are just dead after all this time so we should go yeah like well i mean we already know it's dangerous for the alice fucking it doesn't matter if there is sunlight if they're doing shit like this it's hyper dangerous yeah what i'm talking about is it's weird the orcs in canon are living i would have thought the orcs would be considered living yeah um so yeah i don't think that would that would mean he's uh like i said i i thought he was talking about the orcs because it came right after a line about the orcs um it's obviously the orcs over there okay i'm getting a little bit too confused i'm just gonna move on because regardless they want to go back they want to go back and get to see if uh what's up with with with everything because this has been this has been trying to say the least she wants to carry on and uh yeah that's why the scene doing this for a while is that like she's like the lights almost over it's almost night we're losing the light that's just how the conversation ends and she walks away yeah which happens a lot in the show the scenes just sort of end when i feel like the scene is not over like hey we all want to leave um you know darkness living flesh we we should probably go there's probably no more orcs just like oh we're losing light and walks away and that's our scene ending i'm like oh i that didn't really i feel like we should we had more to say so something i thought was weird is the they they move on and one of their party falls like it happens in the trailer and he's like wait oh yeah gotta help out and she's like no we keep moving they cut it off there in the trailer um but in the show she does stop and help them yeah sort of helps him she adds more weight to him uh well also i mean i just i just find it weird because it sells a very different attitude yeah maybe the trailer was trying to say that maybe yeah i think he didn't probably didn't collapse because he was too cold it's because he's fucking tired of walking against the wind they have to walk single file like sand people against the wind well they do that and then they need to help them then they just stop doing that and they just walk around fine oh so i don't i don't know what happened to free i hope he's okay i hope he's okay too it looks like he just went totally offline so i mentioned that is yeah seems like it's loomed up all the way yeah he's he's off on uh on discord but he also said he was feeling a little ill so i uh we'll find out we'll get it that's a mystery box for you everybody oh my god he's been cursed so um it's weird how they do this single file walk and then they have to help the guy and then it just walk around normally like there's no wind anymore it's really weird yeah uh it's disappointing that they have a conversation and it's almost as though there is no blizzard at all yeah um but okay and then it's super awkward too because he's like we should be there by now and then she sort of just looks and goes oh we are there it is oh we should look up this whole time there it is it's right there i this massive evil fortress is i don't understand yeah i was i was totally lost with this because this is constant lightning strikes right but they imply that a lightning strike reveals that this thing is here this is like i'm sorry just chat you can see this how did you miss this i feel like you can see this very far away because it what's weird too is that he knows to turn around and look at it when the lightning strike when the flash happens and that's like he knows to turn around and look at it like there's been some sort of like sound effect that you've discovered a secret in the video game yeah it's the tomb raider doodly dood I don't guess stuff like this sometimes when they're filming because they must have been like it's like wait we've been walking here this whole time you how did you not see this like you and then she turns around and looks at the other one well yeah there's like how did you go to look at both of them then back to back it seems to me that they have like a logistics thing of there should be this statue over here this statue over here and the thing we're looking for is in between them and then they realize oh we're between the two things that means we must be there and then they look we are just like yeah but look at this thing come on I hate the amazon player this is the third time it is just swapped the subtitles to arabic for no reason it's like vp in vpn on or something no oh okay weird ain't no one no one speaks arabic and arkansas all right fine but yeah uh so we're here um yeah I forget what do they say this place is like the last place they knew that orcs were or something like that it's like spookyville yeah terrifying um this is where they something yeah orcs gathered here for the last time almost escaped than we ever imagined you'd think they would have been they would have checked this place before it's been gathered this is where the orcs after morgoth's defeat she says which means they must have checked here before right you'd think it's been hundreds of years or something right like our timeline this an insane amount of time has passed um so yeah this is this like I said just that's why they're here to inspect to see if they can get any clues as to the you know where the orcs are now where sarron is now and we get quite a quite a famously interesting line from this show this guy is put his hand on on his torch and he's like my hand is past feeling his theory of course that he's lost feeling in his hand it's cold it's cold as fuck and she's like no no the truth is this place is so evil how evil is it the torches do not give off warmth wow that is evil that's evil which that's a new one I haven't heard that before I loved so fucking hard when she sat that man I couldn't believe that was an actual line that she said it's evil this place is really evil it's so evil torches this is one of them no war but it's like Jesus Christ why would you write a problem of just you know how fucking physics work or I think this is physics right includes classification it's like you can't have it's light like it gives off the way the fire would it's magic it's evil magic does that even make sense as an answer it's magic I don't even know that I don't know that it does the magic means the magic means that no warmth is coming off the torches because it's so evil I don't know that it's like saying he's a married bachelor yeah because magic like that doesn't I don't understand how magic no it's not magic is like it's a special sort of rule set that sort of can be blanketed onto things and as as long as I guess it's consistent here like I guess I don't mechanically have an issue with this special place being so fucking evil that it's like like an evil magic and torches don't give off warmth you don't take issue with evil stopping fire from having heat it's it's like evil magic fortress okay I don't know it's my quite I have other questions like do we not give off warmth like our bodies are we just gonna fucking die our blood is our blood gonna freeze in our veins because we don't give off warmth I have no fucking clue how any of it could possibly make any sense is it is it like an aura within this castle or whatever it is or yeah when you get to the door right and then like legally they have a like a domain right like and so when their their property line ends then you could start feeling the torch again or maybe it's progressive where in the center like that like that is that is thrown it's the most evilist and that's where the torch there's like no light at all and then the further you get away from it progressively then the more light the more warmth your torch puts out until it's just a normal torch again does that go for the body heat as well that's that's what I was asking earlier I was like body heat wise is our blood gonna freeze in our veins and we just die because if the torch can maybe it's just fire specifically like fire like all like we all know how much more got hates fire so he's awkward because in a bit we see something with heat happening so that's awkward yeah there is I I guess it's weird yeah I I guess there's something there that I'm like I'm less like eh like this place sure is evil I just I think torches don't make warmth having it be like super windy and cold in there and the torches just aren't as effective or something would have been fine you don't need to say it's so evil our torches are less heaty I just it would have been a better way if if they said that there was like some like some unnatural chill to the air because that's often regarded as like a spooky thing is that it's unnaturally cold and you shiver that's an evil thing they could have said something like that instead of going with the torch no warmy route could have been something else like oh it's like even like like you could really show their breath being super visible because it's that's how cold it is and or maybe the one of the elves says how come it's colder in here than out there something along those lines and and so he punches a wall of ice so she's strong to be fair to be fair mauler she does see her reflection in the ice and much like many of people much like many people in the audience she just wants to punch her man this this expression as she's punched she's very you might describe her a stone face she's yeah she's ice faced also the way she does punch it it doesn't even look like she's punching at full power it's just like no it's like that second time it goes through and it looks to be pretty thick so i'm like god damn you're very strong apparently yeah she's real crazy yeah she walked over to it she just sees her reflection and punches it i mean it might have been worthwhile using a tool but instead you punch the ice like an idiot by the way everyone at home everyone at home don't punch ice you'll hurt your hand it hurts don't punch ice it's like it's like punching a rock do not do it what why would you do that okay that's fine it's fine right along she's uh she figured out through the ice that says a door was filled in here yeah there's there's a secret little room behind this place fucking get rid of this wall i they probably used actual tools to do that i don't know they just sort of they just don't really show it just keep punching kind of y'all just start punching it like chris redfield and it's just like a door they they just sort of punch it and then they didn't see gi enough rubble i think that's part of the issue so they just sort of have this big old opening and there's just a little bit of rubble on the floor and so we answered however how she knew who keep uh she looked into the ice or reflection i think maybe the did was there it was a thin was that the idea i didn't look thin but i don't know i don't know um the other ones seem to have been using their swords and stuff because you see one guy putting a sword back in so they use maybe so he hit he used his sword to hit the ice i guess you i would have picked up like a rock or something instead of using my sword to try well if they're fucking climbing tools they can just use yeah there's like one hammer between them all i assumed they thought maybe that they'd need one i don't know just gonna be flying around to just hit it with rocks yeah like i mean the the backside of that pickaxe thingy they used to climb that has like a hammer thing i very correctly so yeah yeah maybe we don't see any of this but well you know they enter a spooky room where orcs were experimented on room um she sees this as like oh man this is we're looking this is lots of good proof but he's sort of he's sort of like nah this happened ages ago these orcs were meddling with the powers of the unseen world yeah how about that so i i i accept that all right i don't know what to say i i i will believe you that they were doing that one of them's like trapped in a wall yeah it's like yeah like it's like an episode of star trek dark sorcery of old and so she's like what's going on here what is this all about it's not even in that new fangled dark sorcery until that that old classic that good shit and so yeah she's like okay so uh you know i guess i said but then a snowflake falls on something and goes sizzles yeah she watch she watches it as it falls it doesn't even have to do anything she just really wants to look at this snowflake yeah in front of her it's just in front of her and it focuses on it she really really is interested in this snowflake it should just be sizzling all the time because it's still snowing inside this cave so there's just plenty of you're right actually why wouldn't they make it so that the sound made her go away what sound it should be steaming this whole time in one particular place yeah like oh what's this is this an altar or an anvil and they just sort of notice little as the snowflake said it yeah they didn't have to do something stupid like this this could have just been oh wait what's this weird sound as it just says like oh look at this that's odd i'm not quite sure how this works exactly but there's a there's a marker star on here and she drops water on it and it'll steams as though it's super duper hot and then it freezes around it um yeah apparently only the marks mark parts are hard because it is cold yeah so the so that increases the coincidence of her having to just randomly focus on a snowflake and that snowflake was the one that just happened to hit the tiny tiny tiny bit of the rock that was the symbol part it's very odd how they did i think it was the whole stone was was like evil um so how did they keep their own water unfrozen like liquid and wait a second if it's if it's so evil that the torches don't put out warmth then how come the rock with his symbol on it well it should be like the most evil thing of all oh okay he's i i retract my observation this is why that's what mel was bringing up is like his mark gives off loads of heat and yet uh the but the evilness takes heat away you're like i i sure maybe he's jealous like i'm the only hot one in here maybe he grabs it all up for himself he's taking it from oh yeah he sucks up the energy so that he could have a hot symbol maybe it's evil heat and evil heat is fine yeah that's true it's like a lava monster or a ball rock or then comes what i feel is a one two punch of strange lines one the mark of sorrow is here is a guide for orcs it's like a trail they have to follow it it's like oh i didn't know that was true but okay that's a hypothesis that you just came up with someone might be like why did you take issue with that it's like well is that not something all of them should know is that true is that proven and if it is and yeah we should be following this surely but if it's not and she's just made that up on the spot then they should be like what the fuck would you get that from it's one or the other right it's not just you can't have it both like she's telling him as though he didn't know and it's like but their whole mission is to extinguish sorrow from the world so they must know about his marks and they must know what the marks mean or she just made that up i don't know and surely his fortress would have his marks everywhere just anyway right yeah that's i mean that's fair but later on um i think it's uh it's elrond who says they looked into the mark and they're they're not like really sure about it or whatever it's just like so she did just make this up right i i guess though i i i do not know where she's getting this information wherever she got it i guess she hasn't shared this with the rest of her group or they're not aware of it and then as if that wasn't enough to make me be like she then says the last time i saw it was on my brother as if the orcs have to follow the brother's body as part of a trail of symbols what do you mean well if they find the brother maybe they'll find a more in fact they'll almost certainly find more elves and i remember everyone that that was centuries ago then yeah i last seen this mark while they were all out there for centuries hunting these fuckers if you don't forget that sort of thing you don't forget a mark on your brother's dead body of all the times they haven't seen it all times they've seen marks of sarron right she's concluded they they've designed someone they represent a trail for orcs to follow like okay so what are the what are the ones in total we've got got this one in this fortress like sure and we'll see the other one we've seen so far it's like the one that is on the corpse of my brother that is probably buried now it's just like so yeah really it doesn't feel like you've got much to go on but they they didn't tell me anymore so i they put this line right after it like the mark was left as a trail for orcs to follow it's like that's a piece of information what else we got the last one certainly a hypothesis last time i saw it was on my brother centuries ago so you've only seen two the one of them's on a corpse underground and you've concluded well to be fair it's much like it's just like america chavez's portals okay the mark on her brother led her here to this mark it's like a trail and this mark will lead her to the next mark i see total sense huh so yeah i was already totally plausible i was already super confused and then she says we must follow it and i'm like okay i just a little where i just wherever it goes like maybe it's pointing in a direction like the little prom yeah that's what it was but it's like just follow the pointy end i don't know and also like good luck doing that because what if how do you know where it's like once you leave the fortress like okay we have the we have the symbol in this room once we leave the fortress we're gonna have to have a really good sense of direction to know where that symbol on the inside of this fortress was pointing relative to outside of the fortress i i yeah i was getting so fucking lost trying to understand what the fuck's going on and then she's like it's a symbol of they're probably lying in weight gathering strength and he's like oh they're long dead i was like okay so you guys have been tasked with finding that out correct that's like your job you got to go i guess but every every orc is extinguished and they've been doing this for centuries but they're so they've been they've been doing this for centuries i guess but they were but later we learned that she was months past due yeah which is like i mean in that now he says we've exceeded orders months ago which is a good argument for going back so the only reason why i would say now if she's been months over and you haven't found anything for those months but now you just found this place like uh i guess i guess i'm stuck in between is like is that good enough reason to continue or not what what do you usually do when you find stuff like that because it sounds like you haven't found a mark of saran it's a pretty big deal right if you haven't seen one since centuries ago definitely showed me yeah even then how far are they from home because at this point you're like well we know the fortress is here we know there's a symbol we have been gone for far longer than we're supposed to the people at home might be worrying about us because we're months late that's probably something we should attend we can come back you know we've been at this for centuries what's another you know trip back and forth to regather strength to rest maybe to bring like a larger force now that we have a clue um we can come back here later the fortress isn't moving unless it's so fucking evil that it moves or whatever so we can come back later and do more i uh that's the thing that conversation never happens because i don't i don't know if the counter argument would be well we're here now so like but i don't know how much more she wants to explore she just says the north or going north so that could mean like i mean another whole century i don't even know or it could mean just go look and see if there's anything obvious or not i like i said i i do not know uh so yeah it's clear at this point they all want to go back home um yeah he's like not back home wants to get that that sorrow um i think that when we get the big old fight scene so fucking dumb um very shortly after yeah yeah because she says uh we got to wait until everything is clear that the the enemy is gone and i mean if those were the orders that's a finding that mark i think is good enough but he keeps you know he keeps saying all this is long dead so i don't know i just i kind of wish there was more discussion about it it sort of just ends yeah yeah we get this she says like i until we're certain that every trace of our enemy is vanquished she says i can never return home i can never return that's more of heroine i don't know you can take a break i guess yeah yeah and plus like you're leading and that passion though you know keeping going for centuries not bad yeah really not saying it's impossible just saying you know yeah i don't know if i could ever hate anything that much yeah you sort of just other things happen and then you sort of yeah it's almost just i just want to go home just want to take a shit at home you know um i'm gonna go poop in my own tree so this this poor guy's sound a little wander gave unfortunately there be a snow troll and he shouts out snow troll so and then it goes blah blah blah and uh that however the shouting the rumbling the screaming stuff that's not enough to alert galadriel and friend it was really weird it's a big fortress it's a big fortress they can't even well it is big but they're not that far away they just threw that little doorway the the fortress is so evil that their voice puts out no volume well then why did they get alerted by the volume in a minute well that's because they sense the vibrations in the stones i see of the running and the torch hitting the ground the troll fucks him up but they couldn't feel the warmth yeah he throws a big old ice block at him and they like and galadriel pops out and this part is weird right she turns up and she's a good i think two meters maybe three three meters away from the snow troll but if you'd like keep it on the time code she just sort of watches it annihilate everybody for a while yep she does watch a little bit um a bit awkward they have their swords on their arms like that i'm like what are you doing um and yeah this poor guy's just getting getting fucked up i don't understand a chance games guy he's a big old chungus but uh then we can't i don't i guess this is something they do he like draws his sword and uses it as a ramp for her um yeah they pre-planned this she knew exactly what's it this was i guess this is something they often do okay yeah that's really cool stand and maneuver before we do the jump i just thought i'll the way that all the elves just get like punched and everything was like what are you all doing a lot of them just like ran up to it and just got punched like what the fuck is wrong with y'all they were all doing a very shitty job it's not it's undeniable but yeah so she does this it's hard to fucking jump then oh god i want to make sure i think it's not even a ramp i think she he actually kind of froze her yeah he like throws her up with the sword is that what they were going for i didn't notice that yeah oh yeah he like lifts this once she he has that motion where he's like throwing her with his sword yeah whatever we're describing it's on the visuals probably i see what you mean yeah i can see it yeah yeah yeah it's a fucking dumb dude yeah this guy's gonna get it yeah it just looks it looks like bad wire work like it's really hard to not see how awkward this looks so yeah she slices it just before it's gonna get some guy and then she does flourish flourish to like what are you doing woman right there she should have just ran she would have been there faster if she would just ran instead of waiting for this oh man look at this editing when you because we did this with she hulk um it's a similar thing that happens right so you got swish swish swish and then like slice hard cut and she's already back to being like readying a stance okay and then hard cut again she's slicing it's like we're ah continue to the fight it's hurting my brain um yeah it's just slice and slice and slice and she's dominating beating up this this is to let you know that gladrile is not to be fucked with all right yeah she won she single-handedly kills the snow troll hey remember when really cool moment trolls were like really dangerous and a lot of the ranks um he just pokes it in the head and it dies it's very silly dude the the poke was really weird yeah um it was very strange all right thoughts on blood splattering onto the screen i didn't even notice that that's super fun i didn't notice it either i was kind of kind of i don't know where where is it when she when she cuts its jaw right it's that when it happens your frame that's being shown right yeah yeah oh i have to look at the strings uh i think i think it just like for a brief second kind of took me out of it it's like oh it's i don't know she was like a little bit weird in a fantasy show you know to acknowledge yeah oh i see what you mean yeah i don't you know whatever it's it's it is absolutely i wouldn't even say it's a nitpick it is a nothing but i'm interested to hear what people's feelings are on it that's what i'm saying my god it really did i think it's actually pretty fucking cringe i it i think yeah i think it's cringe it's trying to make it like she's even more badass she's spraying the work blood all over like you're a part of this like you're you're an accessory in the the witnessing this it's totally different it's just that it seems weird to me in a fantasy fantasy this is a fantasy show just so we're clear yeah fantasy i don't feel super out of place you're right fringy's also right i i it is weird because it makes me think of a camera which is not a very fantasy thing to think about i think john said in chat it's just like it took him out because it does not feel like it suits is way too gritty for something like what you'd expect from what the show was going for and i think that's pretty much the take i i don't know that uh this that yeah it i don't know how else to explain it um it was just like wait what it doesn't feel like an aesthetic choice that matches this genre at all which is doesn't mean you can't do it just okay that's happening which by the way does this happen again in either of the two episodes i don't think so i i mean i didn't even remember didn't even see this one so i i'm just glad i'm glad they didn't spray the camera with the chocolate cow milk that would have been nasty that was some great a hot cream or when or when the little one or when the nasty ass proto hobbits are squeezing berries and all that shits flying everywhere like i've never eaten before i don't want that on the camera no no i don't know that's not good that's that's a classic is that that is you almost in a bigoted way brought up this other thing called Lord of the Rings yeah i did and you were doing it specifically to talk about the efficient or the the the sort of scariness of a troll and how long it takes to kill those boys because if you remember i'm thinking of the moria fight specifically where we have the whole fellowship fighting the big ass troll in this one room uh to be fair plus a whole lot of orcs but we have a lot of very capable fighters there uh that are very very good at fighting very good and if i recall correctly it's been a while since i've seen the the the the the rings of the lords but as always at least two of them focusing the troll at once i think maybe maybe even three sometimes and they they are struggling against that guy and it's a very engaging fighter to watch and the Frodo almost even dies so yeah it's just much more interesting we see that this thing is actually really scary to fight even for these super good capable fighters that we've known to be yeah but very good at fighting and it's a very effective way to show how good our characters are but also showing that there are stakes to be had people are in actual danger and here we just have like ugly boogly slice slice slice dead yeah kind of yeah it's like aren't i a bad ass is like yeah aren't you this is writing opportunities is what people will probably call it um in fellowship you have them synergize quite a few times you have characters saving each other's lives uh barmy is kind of on awkward terms with argon of this point in the story he's already made clear why you'll understand better as well as the more you understand about the whole story but there's a point where barmy is about to be killed and argon saves him and he's like oh shit um yeah mary pippin sam and frodo all making a difference in this fight against this giant monster the fact that uh the orcs are event and the goblin sorry are wiped out and it's the troll that's left and everyone has to work together to take it down and you get obviously the is frodo dead sort of moment it's loads of feels very boss fighty yeah well i fucking love the the fighting more it's fantastic yeah it's awesome and it felt like a huge victory when they get him and that's why it makes even it's the fact that like we're like we did it right and then gandoff's like we have to run like it's something worse is about to arrive it's like oh yeah talk about raising stakes and stuff um you know in rings of power it's like the way she kills it isn't necessarily um you know like it's slice slice slice slice and it runs out of its health bar eventually um it's just like oh okay she just single-handedly does it and it looks like it was really easy she takes no damage it it's it's very like she looks bored like an annoyed that she had to do this and she was also watching her guys getting yeeted around for like a couple of seconds before even realizing what's going on or doing something you have the question of just why didn't you make it so that she arrives and there's someone else suggesting on fray and i tights like you have to be like she calls them by name and tells them what move they should take and then you know synergizes with friends to yeah run and you have to get hit at some point in such room where there's pillars or we got cover or a don't fight it out in the open or something i got something it's the word of the day i would even suggest using fire but of course fire doesn't have any heat anymore so i don't know if it's useful like to annoy the snow troll you think it wouldn't like fire but i suppose it wouldn't matter in this area um so yeah you're just like okay so it's a really awkwardly edited action moment where she just dominates uh while everyone else was shit it's like all right fine if that's what you want to do um yeah and right after that they're like fuck this we don't want to play your games anymore you suck uh i think at this point they've given us enough groundwork to understand why they want to go home they don't like this adventure okay it's not a fun one it's not fun anymore also she's stealing all the xp yeah didn't even share but you know it's one of those situations we just like i don't know if i don't want to walk around for another century i want to go home i'll play video games go home okay i think two centuries were enough commander can we please go home have like a shower or something it'll be nice yeah right so yeah i guess they decide to go back right because they'll yeah they're they're all like we're gonna we're gonna fucking abandon you they put their swords down yeah they do which um i guess is symbolic because you're not gonna leave them right you are gonna take them with you surely not yeah they need those you do good stuff against snow trolls for example fuck them up they they talked about this earlier because he pulls out his sword and she's like you the if you're gonna go you're gonna do so alone and one of them puts down his bow or like it's it's just like i had some time like we're putting down our weapons we're not following get quite the opposite of you have my sword and my bow and my axe you know it's it's you do not have them i'm putting them on the floor no one has them um so that's that's yeah that's your opening almost well i guess we you had the open that's our third scene or third event i'm trying to categorize this better but it's time to introduce the the half-foot which are like totally not hobbits i think i guess is the angle so check me up here because i'm i'm so confused what happened there they weren't allowed to use hobbits so they had to make up half-foot or apparently legally yeah they can't they can't touch hobbits something so they all i think what gary said was that there's there are no there are no anything in this era that the they want hobbits but they're not allowed them so this is the closest they they could get something like that okay um but uh people in chat will know better about this i i am not as aware all i know is that they currently half-foot are older hobbits okay proto hobbits hobin time it's hobin there so they're hobo erectus well yeah the first thing you learn is the they're not um they're not a clean people they don't they don't like being clean which is oh there no one likes moller no one fucking likes being clean in the show everyone loves dirty and covered in grime except the elves except the elves yeah except the elves and the one uh village protagonist who's allowed to wear color but apart from that everyone's just dirty and grimy and nasty imagine this fucking smell no i don't want to i don't want to uh yeah we get introduced to our i guess pov character for the half-foot which is nori um nori we see what about the two little traveler guys with a big-ass fucking i don't know what to say about them they're the two guys traveling with big old antlers things on their back yeah all right that's it it's all that what we get all right yeah that's about them um oh yeah and you got lennie henry is like talking about how that's a sign those travelers are a sign of something uh you'll say more of that as time goes on but yeah so currently nori is out gathering berries and i think the first line she has is something like um if we did everything we were supposed to do we wouldn't do very very much at all which is basically constant in all of her like intro scenes everybody's talking about how she's she's a person that doesn't do what she's told to do she's not like other girls they keep saying it over and over again why can't you just show it you don't need to tell me that when a character says you're not supposed to be out there fucking collecting berries you asshole and then she's like oh i wanted to that's already it you've already done it yeah you did it why not go out and collect berries that sounds like a really useful thing to do this spooky wolves oh my goodness gracious dangerous especially dragging all the kids with you which very true but she said the wolves on uh usually here at this time of year because things are things are getting more spooky i guess i don't really know uh so yeah they're out there just they're out grabbing some berries these these off-footers i love me some berries this is this is gonna come up a couple of times there'll be some scenes that we can spend a million years talking about all of it but then there'll be some where i'm just like um so they gather berries and then they see well it's basically it's almost all the hard foot scenes in this episode they're like oh we do this okay they don't just gather berries they eat them in the most obnoxiously retarded really gross i really i really don't appreciate any of like how they eat i don't know why they chose to do that but that's just not those i don't know if those these are dewberries or something or blackberries or every if they if they specify point being you don't like chomp through half of it and get it all over your fucking face like you're an infant and you're some disgusting creep no you just put it in your mouth and it's done and it's over i i completely dirty and nasty some people might think he's nitpicking i completely agree what are you doing woman like why specifically they they went out of their way to direct these nasty creatures to eat berries in the most disgusting messy way like you could and i want to know what what are you trying to tell me it's the angle that they were like people might not believe they've been eating berries they don't see it all over their face i don't know i was like okay i uh the chowen ride in ride down like but you're right yeah berries are very simple to eat very they're really really simple how do you fuck up eating a berry you pull it off the bush and you put it in your mouth and it's done it's it that's it yeah oh by the way before i forget about it because i thought it comes up later but before we get to this scene we see sardawg's weird prophecy book for the first time uh you know which one i mean like the book yeah yeah he's got a bunch of pictures in him and yeah but it's like oh there's the antlemann in the middle and then we have wolves next so it's like oh they're gonna get attacked by wolves then but that doesn't happen in the first episode therefore that so yeah yeah i i i wonder if this i i want to know more about this weird book who wrote it where they come from was this saron yeah was it saron who knows but enough of that elrond he's getting introduced now not played by mr smith all right big sad much younger okay this is this is by the guy who played ned stock actually in the flashback in game of thrones season seven or six it was six or seven i can't remember but yeah he's um and he's writing some um pros yeah karma is like a speech he's writing the speech he's writing for uh yeah yeah yeah because he gives that thing to some randies like give that to us for a ceremony it's like okay so i i guess before well no we're bringing up later this this place looks fake as fuck though well there you go i got a good shot of it real give your assessment rags go ahead uh oh on the screen let me and then this is i'm i'm getting black widow forest vibes from this like i just don't believe it you know like i can't like this isn't a real place i don't feel maybe it totally is but i just i don't know what it is like i can believe he can he's on a tree but a lot of places in this like nature locations and stuff it just feels so like they're in front of green screens all the time and they're not really in a world like i can't reach out and touch it for the most part of the hobbit the hardfoot stuff it sort of escapes this um but here with this elven stuff i just it's like i just get fakey fantasy forest vibes and i don't know what i don't know maybe it's just me no i get what you mean i think it's fair i i understand what you're saying it feels like they're on it could be that volume screen or um uh just regular try too hard maybe with the forest stuff instead of just putting them in a nice the lovely forest they have to go with you know the trees need to be this color and it's big clearing and there's one that he's sitting in uh like they're trying to make it too idyllic instead of just having a nice forest and having them have a just a gale time in it no i guess i should have mentioned as well the the reason they run away from eating their berries the the hardfoot is because they realize there's wolves in the area and and they're being watched by one on a cliff and another one turns up when they leave and i was just like was that just luck then because man if they'd attacked them they might have just been dead yeah well they ate a bunch of berries before so they're not hungry right now maybe the wolves were waiting for them to eat the berries to fatten them up oh yeah that's right if i eat a hardfoot that has eaten berries it's like they're eating the berries for me that works almost in yeah it's like a turducken but instead of a turkey a duck and a chicken it's a hardfoot and a berry oh it's a harby that's probably a really messy food to eat probably the word probably eats hardfoot cleaner than a hardfoot eats a berry i think so like that the the wargs just throw like arms and legs to each other and then they laugh when they catch it in their mouth and they spin around and do this gay dance maybe that's why the why the wolves actually didn't eat them they saw them eat you like ugh just go away like i know there's probably poop in there but i'm still now i'm not eating it now it's like oh basic like interaction these sorts of things right rags i believe is i like when we're checking it out but uh just you have someone turns up to to elrond and they're like you're not going to be permitted in the next council meeting it's only going to be elven lords and he's like all right then fine okay and he says anything else and she goes your friend has arrived and he goes well why didn't you say so it's like i feel like the first thing was a little more important but yeah it's just funny because this is like well i mean she said that was pretty fast she she got that information to you pretty quickly and to be fair you're the one that prompted her as well she didn't even finish what she was necessarily going to tell you you were just like is there anything else as if there wasn't anything else but it's just it's just strange it would have made a lot more sense if she was leaving and then she said it casually or something um it just it just strange dialogue again but that's mostly fine um and then yeah so uh it's it's gala drill has returned elarond is like woohoo we're in linden capital of the high elves that shot actually looks pretty good i like that one don't look for the landscape ones look pretty neat yeah landscape ones are good yeah that one looks all right yeah there's no one thing i know is it are there any like people in this uh vista like are there any people wandering around or is it just the location i guess there's one on the bridge yeah okay there's one on the bridge two on the bridge you have a good old-fashioned just annoying expression where she's like ever since i was a child i blah blah blah then he's like and look at you now commander of the northern armies warrior of the waist that's like yeah jeff shut up yeah she's great she's amazing it's not only that it's just her actual roles and then how how it's so like clunk it's just like okay all right didn't felt a little bit more natural with it especially when these guys have known each other forever as far as i gather um we have a lot of that we're gonna be pointing it out whenever we get to it they even have someone in universe point out that that's happening it's great um yeah the short version is that uh she broke the rules and he's like the king said it's fine don't worry about it just don't do it again yeah we'll have to see where that goes exactly yeah she's also given the um the the mark of sauron to to let him give a bit of a study to it and yeah and she's like i want to i want to uh audience with the king because i want to go out again i want to go hunting fuck up that sauron guy i was thinking do you need to appoint an audience when you're just like this super commander for your army i guess she's just not high enough rank wise to the demand an audience you gotta you're right back to this moment go to appeal to the next rank up which in this case is elrond i guess i don't know uh yeah so that's just a little update on on here and see this is what i mean about the way you guys have seen us break down stuff before uh we can go pretty fat i fucking hell it's so funny right i look at the timer like so we're almost at two hours uh shut up uh we didn't start for a little bit but i don't know it just feels like we're kind of now rushing through the episode a little bit but it's just there's just not much to talk about with those bits it's all very fine um yeah this is what this is what i was realizing when i was done watching the episodes and had all my notes like i mean there's there's a lot of things where it's just nothing to talk about yeah that's um i would uh i would describe this show as vacuous i just find it like really uh empty there's a lot of stuff like in terms of runtime sure but it's really empty and all of the characters say exactly what they mean and there's no mistaking what they believe in or what their arc is going to be or what's important to them you know speaking of that it's uh yeah our next scene is with nori and i was going to say a mum i i think that's him i'm not actually sure uh right another example of a scene where characters say exactly what they mean and telegraph the arc like in a way that isn't possible to misunderstand yeah and so she's like why would the way why would the wolves sorry don't we will be up here and she's like maybe there's trouble down south and the mum is like why would you care about that and then she's like haven't you ever wondered what's out there i want to see more stuff and then her mum person is like well elves have forests dwarves have mines men have grains and half-foot so just ripples in a stream no one goes off trail that's how we survive and it's like i get it nori will not be that person nori is going to be the one that breaks tradition she's going to go off trail she's going to do wild stuff ensures okay doki i just i think i've written down one sentence was like oh basically she wants to see the rest of the world and not just sure with the clan for the rest of her life got it i mean we've spent this much time and they've really only done that again and again they keep telling us how nori's not going to be like every other outfit it's like why are you keep you keep telling me this over and over again just show me what what's she like show me here yeah yeah so anyway uh we move on to where are we next oh back to the the elves again oh they're doing a little ceremony they're like yeah yeah so he just sort of gives us the information that this this little group of lads led by gladrial were meant to cleanse the world the remaining bad guys and they've done so yeah like have they though have they though because guys that that lord of the rings thing that comes out way later and it's about all the bad stuff even they've mentioned saran in that one so i'm pretty sure it ain't cleansed just yet but anyway they're getting their rewards they got a little crown get a nice little armor and they uh they are allowed to go to uh the the what are they called is the undying lands right that's the the blessed land of valinor at least that's what i've written down yay um but obviously all eternity gladrials like mm don't know about that don't know about that uh the rest of them are like no i'm fine with that as cross this is great what king you've noticed this but he doesn't say anything you take that fucking crown or beat you up the king's like you'd be a little bit cringe but that's okay yeah okay not not too cringe nothing not surprising i've known you for centuries so i'm i'm aware they probably know each other pretty well yeah um yeah and so i don't know if i was gonna want to thought this uh it just just it's sort of kind of amusing but they they you know the celebration is complete we get some looks some big old looks of like things aren't that we cut to like their big old celebrations of course this is very good news evil has been vanquished but you remember the fireworks sequence in lord the rings which was pretty early on as well so just felt to me like they wanted to have their own look at this fireworks display they feel like they're overcompensating at all that's like fucking fly that's crazy all right i get a little star got a little big butterfly there's so many at once i'm like you get a you get a i'm missing a lot of them by trying to look at some of them calmed out to hop it yeah and so gladrials chilling in the forest of the yeah the statues of the dead i don't know if that's the name of it but it's just like i'm almost sad we have a big long conversation that i was very much a fan of uh let's let's almost stop i think that could have been something here but the interesting parts are not being addressed by galadriel at all yeah so i felt like elrond made all of the best arguments in this conversation yeah it was like based elrond you got you got it we get another shot of her sheathing her dagger again it's it's mandated that every scene she's in she has to be shown pulling out or sheathing her dagger i think this is this is the conversation where i think i decided and told you moller that i was just i'm not a fan of this actress you say that like i own her because she's welsh like oh is she a lot of a lot of people like feel like this stepping on like just like i was just well more fifth clock i think a day business just like i don't fucking know who this lady is no i i uh either she is a good actress who has been told to act like a brick and more so i don't even mean that in the way that you might think i mean it and she's again stone faced with everything so she doesn't want to show like the characters trying to resist showing emotions you're not allowed yeah but uh or it's that she's just not very good at portraying the emotions she's supposed to i'm more willing to opt for the former but it doesn't really matter does it the reality is that she's very uh in the show yeah she's not entertaining or interesting in really any way whatsoever either on a character level or on a more surface level she is not an interesting subject for my attention so we demand welsh preparations from mauler hey we got um your resea funds in in house the dragon and he's one of the best actors there so it balances out okay we won one we lost one that's how it works uh we also have a w w w v show running in the welsh lands at this moment right now yeah so your brother would be proud if somebody says and then she's like my brother's task is mine i seek the enemy that escaped to the north and then he's like digital doesn't mean anything evil's gone she says then why is the evil not gone from in here pointing to a heart which uh this line i think i joked with you and i and i was saying from el ron is like i don't know man that's that's on you that's up to you i feel like that's a demon you gotta wrestle with like a therapy or something most people come away with the obviously to me interpretation of you say you're evil also that yes like security security if i was el ron in this conversation she said that to me i would be like whatever do you mean i don't know what you mean actually yeah because you elaborate are you evil so um el ron makes the mistake of saying you're conflicted off my ass off and then she's like conflicted i got big wander vibes when i said that i was like oh you shouldn't have said something that implies she's not as strong as she likes to be believed and she's like you don't know the evil that i have seen you have not seen what i have seen he's like i've seen i've seen a lot and then she's like you have not like yeah i like what i have seen this is christ i don't like you this is where like earlier on as we were setting up the back stories and establishing things it would have been useful to see her if they want to they want to have her be this super battle hardened warrior and she's so amazing and she's just a slayer and she's her the acting is so blank and she's so just stone faced and ice cold and just there's nothing there for us to pull away with i can't relate to her or empathize with her because i don't really know her i don't know what she's thinking necessarily i don't know what she's feeling in scenes she's just so so flat in the acting and if they're trying to play this up as the whole you know you haven't seen what i've seen it's like no we really don't no one does who are you i don't even know that like you know going just from what we've seen in this show yeah she was around for centuries when everyone was getting killed i guess like wasn't elrond what was he doing he was writing speeches i guess so um so i don't know it just yeah definitely the kind of like i said the same wander doctor strange vibes i was like yeah all right not not no bueno so if you think about the progress of this conversation she's like no evil's definitely definitely definitely out there and he's like it's not though and she's like definitely definitely is you don't know what i've seen buddy and so he he decides to change tracks he's like all right maybe it is out there is if you are right you know doing that is that gonna make you feel better because you seem kind of nuts right now kind of you seem obsessed you've been doing this for centuries you need to fucking chill but then he says something that i was like oh this is a little bit a little bit interesting he says like how many more elves are you gonna risk dying so that you feel better how many how many more statues are gonna be made here so that you kill more and i was like there you go that's a pretty good argument awesome i was like oh now it's getting interesting yeah because it tells us something what elrond cares about it's more than just you know stop going on your crazy adventures it's like you're actually kind of you know putting the elves in danger yeah he cares about her for i guess he sees something in her or i don't know but he i get he's using that aspect to appeal to her like to chill the fuck out yeah and i like that about him it's one of the few moments in the content that i've consumed so far of this where i was like oh that's a thing that's something yeah because he tells about basically tells us like oh you should totally go to that blessed land it's gonna go chill it's gonna be great yeah i brought you this wine a victory yeah um just just go go up there heal up chill for all eternity cleanse your mind all all that good stuff after you do centuries of war sounds like a pretty pretty good idea pretty good deal i would say a lot of people pointed out how they felt this line was clunk i was gonna ask what you guys think uh he says that one more orc upon the point of your blade will bring you peace what do you think i would reword that um yeah i uh i'm not exactly sure what i feel like it's not working about it it doesn't quite feel right for me because i didn't even think about it i was just like yeah it's a line i know what he means but i don't know could set it differently i guess yeah yeah i would have rephrased it something along the lines of um uh you know how many maybe you just refer to blood the blood and thirst like it could some some is there any amount of blood that will you know satisfy your thirst or you know is is maybe a pile of you know bodies or victories maybe refer to what is victories how many or you know slain something's but yeah i don't like the way it's phrased here um yeah so now that he made all these amazing points uh i can't wait what galadriel has to say about that because that's that's that's a good point i hope she she thinks about all these people she might get killed if she continues her crusade if you will especially because we're here in the the grave grove or whatever it's called and it's like this is a you know it's like being in arlington or something yeah i have never been to arlington i don't know what that that around sorry it's the big it's the big uh military cemetery hmm what does she say she's oh yeah he also adds to it that uh she'll be if she remains here she'll be an outcast yeah so did you want to do you want to say what happens next oh yes you guys say yeah but i'm just gonna not gonna feel good probably yeah so i think you're right in terms of the measure of the conversation this is not a satisfying answer she's like do you think i'd be better off in terms of my mental state in the west it's like so that's what this is about yeah i feel like there was much more flesh on that bone that aron gave you that you probably should address well you don't want to say you put in other people in danger in the response to be yes but i feel bad yeah because you could have said yeah but what if if i'm right there might be even more deaths if we don't do anything against it or something something like that not just say i'm gonna feel bad and the songs would mock the battle cries at my mind but something uh yeah it's just this is a nothing answer the that's a lot of her answers though it just sort of yeah these don't feel like real people talking to each other oh it's like they don't feel like how conversations would actually occur to the point where i was actually i'm gonna read out this line and i want you guys to tell me exactly what it means because i got a couple ideas but i'm not entirely sure so she says okay you say i have one victory over all the horrors of middle earth yet you would leave them alive in me to take with me what ah so what does that mean exactly alive you would leave them alive in me to take with me i'll say you say i have one victory over all the horrors of middle earth yet you would leave them alive in me to take with me i would like i would leave the horrors of middle earth alive in you yeah to take with me is she saying that the efforts and the effects of having fought for so long are like kept alive by her being alive like she almost won is she trying to say she wanted to die in battle she didn't want to live with this ptsd i believe so so this is the part that gets a little bit confusing because he explains this to her and she should already know this going to the west going to valinol going to the undying the it's a form of uh it heals you up mentally and stuff it makes you feel a whole bunch better to the point where uh i don't see this as a hard choice if that was her concern so what i'm trying to say is her two options here are like go heal your your your ptsd which apparently is your major motivation for hunting sauron it's like so you you'll be good on that um or you can continue trying to hunt him for centuries that's how long it's taken you so far i don't know why you're thinking that this coming to an end soon so see what i mean like like her highlighting this just makes me think like oh well then the answer is clear isn't it you should go to the you should go there boat man as if you needed as if you needed more reasons that's what i'm saying i was just like okay i'm bad if that's what she meant then yeah i don't know and she kind of just ignored the uh putting lives in danger part man so uh yeah he says only in the blessed realm can that which broken uh be mended i think he's so yeah and that's something that they all know so i don't know it just doesn't seem to do something she takes seriously so maybe maybe that isn't her motive i don't know exactly she's a bit of a bit of a character say the least she is certainly that and he says put up your sword and she says without it what am i to be really really annoying to hear from glad real but not when you have no other context so it's totally fine don't worry about it this lady's like what am i without a sword and he says my friend my friend which really doesn't address what she's talking about but whatever the seat is so i guess it did this is where it ends like it's really what a what a fucking waste of my time it feels like some stuff was highlighted but none of it was addressed properly it's just like okay fine i guess oh but wasn't it such a it was such so deep and meaningful and oh they're just it's such wonderful flowery language and it's so artistic and there's so much artistry in the in the writing of the show it's so wonderful these elves talking to each other how could you not like this this is one thing where he says like oh yeah but if evil stuff comes comes up i'm gonna take care of it so don't worry so i'm just good for you i i have no idea what the blessed lands actually going to be is just a one-way trip just go in there and then you're trapped in there forever i think there's no coming back i was like you wouldn't even want to go back i think that yeah i think that's part of the idea yeah okay i don't know enough about it and the show doesn't give us enough context to understand it because i was confused like yeah because my immediate my immediate reaction to that was like wait could you just i don't know give her a little little elf elf calls like hey that's evil stuff you want to come back and fuck it up or something why don't they all go i guess that's another thing is there a reason why they don't they don't they don't all just go back i think you have to earn it i can't just you can't just go okay no um so character introductions right we got another new guy coming and you wonder what what do you do to introduce a character quickly like well how do you what there's loads of different ways to establish traits real fast and screw there are this one um this one annoyed me in the same way that i believe it annoyed fringy as well there's two guys playing chess here or let's just call it an equivalent of some kind and our new character is walking past them now if you're a writer of any particular sort you know i'm not saying that it makes you a particular kind of writer it's totally fine he just explains to one of the two guys how to win the game in three moves i think as he's walking past and it's just and then the guy's like ah and he does it and wins so he is so smart i think the writer wanted us to believe man he just won a chess game on the fly while walking into wherever he's going this guy knows his stuff that's pretty cool meanwhile what i think this actually portrays is like so that guy's a fucking full of himself he just destroyed a chess game just because he wanted to prove he could like that's all that is why would you do this two guys having a fun game you just made it unfair by giving one of the information he didn't necessarily have why did you do that um really dumb maybe he just wanted their chess game to be over with so they'd go fucking take a bath this is an example of you can when you make a character do something you're displaying like multiple things one of them is you're displaying what they can do but you're also displaying a choice that they've made yeah what this choice is that he wants to demonstrate how smart he is at the expense of their game um yeah it's a bit stupid i uh just really it's really amateur to me i could totally see the writer being like any clever it's like yeah sure uh see i could see why i can't imagine why people in this town are fucking racist they just hate this guy he ruins chess games all the time like all the elves are here quick cover up the chess boards right so we were having a nice game we were having a fun time and then you showed up we got the stank place with all the stank people live and they're all doing stank things uh that's just how it goes i guess and they're all so gross they're just real gross they'll except for one of them the super hot girl whoever could that be oh the hot one who gets to wear colors yeah everyone's in like drab staggy just yeah there's greasy hair they've got dirty clothes on they're just they just look grimy and nasty and it uh luckily they made like the town leader the grimyest and nastiest of them all as he's chopping his meat in front of everybody yeah uh so what we're gathering here is this is just like a settlement of man i guess in some area and and there's elves looking over it and they come in for a report every once in a while just to see what's going on and uh the the guy who owns this place is like oh everything's chill you know you get your normal this that and the other thing happening but everything's fine and then the elf's like you were talking about uh poisoning something was poisoned and uh he was like oh uh you know it's fine it's fine it's just like a patch of grass or whatever and so uh this elf is like i guess you could you could say it's a weird thing isn't it it is weird the grass was poisoned if that's odd right i'm not weird for anything that's odd if he's like a sentry i mean whatever i may as well inspect that there's nothing else to do it reminds me of like the work they do in hot fuzz where it's just like everything's chill so when someone swan goes missing i guess you just go and have a look because what else is like yeah a patch of grass is poison's like i might have a look at that it's weird i don't know whatever and um that this is other guy who's like it's just a patch of grass fuck off blah blah blah and it's like oh it does i'm a knife here yes uh wait is it knife here or is it someone else knife yeah no no it's you know either way stay abby ears which is uh from what i got the people saying that's more so from dragon age than anything to do with Tolkien um i think they say knife here it's don't i think he does well it's just that people felt like this is very unusual for for Tolkien's work i wouldn't know necessarily but it's in there right and i thoug