Thanks for checking out this Monster Mania wrap-up video. So I went to Monster Mania 43 if people have been following my channel long enough You know, I love going to these conventions. I love the Monster Mania conventions They're usually run very well, and they have a lot of good guests guests. Sorry every time I do want to apologize off the bat if my energy level is not what it normally is for my videos on this channel Conventions take a lot out of me waiting in lines for long amounts of time and You know takes a physical toll as you start to get older if you haven't noticed I got a lot of gray in my beard So I'm not a young man anymore. So doing that type of stuff Gets ya plus I got up like super early because wanted to get there really early make sure I got a close parking spot Although they they have changed things. I think starting with number 42 They started having it where they were getting Parking it from some sort of like business park or business buildings So they were able to then like shuttle people over to the hotel Which is the crown Plaza and Cherry Hill, New Jersey, which is where they have the convention So I just didn't want to have to deal with that because it's a little bit of wasted time for me personally And I just wanted to get in line as soon as possible Because I was there to meet Clive Barker who was one of the big names Clive Barker and Robert England were the really big ones So actually I figured to start this out for people who are watching this who don't know who is at the convention I'll just run through real quick who was there Like I said Clive Barker Robert England Ron Perlman Ryan Hurst Steve Yoon Yoon I don't I think that's how it said Rick Flair Beverly D'Angelo Devin Sawa Vivica Fox Elden Henson Shawnee Smith Lance Henrickson Skeet Ulrich James Hong Kathy Najmi Daniel Harris Tony Todd Henry Thomas Kate Siegel and a Beth Gish and Catherine Parker who all for from the Haunting at Hill House Ashley Lawrence Doug Bradley Nicholas Vince Simon Bamford barbie wild all-centabytes from Hellraiser Kane Hodder Steve Knapp Joey Lauren Adams And a late edition was Lloyd Kaufman Who was doing autographs for free at the trauma booth because they always have a spot as a vendor trauma does so This is the first time I've been to a Monster Mania and Lloyd Kaufman showed up So I didn't meet him or get his autograph but I went by the booth and he was there doing photo ops with people giving autographs and Seemed like a nice guy seemed like he was having a good time everyone meeting him was having a good time So I'm always for that I think it's really cool when people show up and do stuff like that and they're like Hey, here's free autographs. Here's you know free photos. I really think that stuff's kind of cool So good on Lloyd Kaufman So let me talk about Specifically what I did and then I'll that'll just lead to me talking about other aspects of the actual convention So I got there super early I always buy like the pre-show one where you can get in an hour earlier So instead of getting in at 10 o'clock when the autographs start you get in at 9 o'clock when the vendor rooms open up So you can kind of like leisurely go around check out vendor stuff But for me if there's if there are big names and I get in there early I just want to get in line immediately because You know, you'll wait in less of a in less of a line for the day and that's kind of part of the goal So I got there and I was like immediately gonna get in line But it was a little weird because we were coming up to the front of the Of the hotel and there were two lines already formed out outside of the hotel Usually the lines start forming inside like right outside the the rooms for where the autographs are so They were I asked them at their help desk, which they're always super super nice there Which by the way in general their volunteer staff is always crazy nice does a very good job And I think it's kind of ridiculous at this point that they're just on a volunteer basis I kind of really think that they should get paid to be honest. So, you know, just my opinion I think it's 2019 this volunteer stuff. I think it's kind of garbage I think people should get a little bit of actual compensation for doing that type of stuff because these volunteers work hard And they do a great job. So shout out to all the Monster Mania volunteers. You guys do a great do great work And I appreciate it. I do thank them too when I run into these people and I see them You know doing a good job or have a good interaction. I was like, thank you very much for doing awesome So and I would encourage other people to you know, give that feedback. It's appreciated So anyway, I asked them and they said the two lines outside were for Robert England and for Clive Barker Because they were signing in personal in private rooms upstairs instead of in like the main signing areas for celebrities so I understand Lining up somewhere else. But the problem is The line started getting very long and it was very hot outside is very it's been very humid It's been it's been very hot and so people are just sweating immediately the other issue that some other people brought up while standing in line is that they had bought some people had bought Pre-show passes and other people had just general admission and they were all just standing in the same line because it's outside of the convention So for that reason people who bought the pre-show didn't get an added benefit as far as getting in line for autographs go So my kind of aim of get the pre-show get in get in line was totally null and void Which you know what in the grand scheme of things? I don't really care about it that much to be honest But I heard a bunch of other people who were kind of upset about it and it's it's valid It is valid. So me personally whatever, you know, just because I pay a little bit more money I don't think I should necessarily get to get ahead of people in the line But if I have that opportunity I will take it So it doesn't make me mad, but some other people were Vocal about it standing in line and they're like this kind of BS because I paid more in order to try and get further ahead in the line So I don't know but just to throw it out there So the thing that sucks is when you start your day waiting in a line where you're getting like Really really sweaty and gross and a bunch of other people are doing that It's gonna set the whole day up where you just feel like tired and sweaty and gross and everyone around you is that way too So For real when I was going around at the convention no matter where I went it just smelled like BO and that's just kind of that's what happens I know they can't I know there's no way that the convention that early can keep can keep it from there being lines outside really They can't control that but I do think what they should have done is Allowed some people to get into the the rooms next to the private signing rooms Which is where they put a bunch of chairs in and kind of like file people in and let them sit in there They didn't open that up until like a half an hour before The signing started so I felt like they should have just You know taking taking people up much earlier would have been nice The other thing that kind of sucked is that Clive Barker didn't start signing until 11 o'clock When it had been known that everyone starts signing at 10 There was not any communication not even through the Monster Mania app that he would be signing at 11 until about 1030 ish someone came around or actually maybe been around like 10 or so someone someone from the con came by and let everyone know He's not going to be signing until 11 That information should have been sent out through the app at least put it should have been put on its social media Should have been told that people standing in line for Clive Barker much earlier than it actually was So that was kind of problematic in my opinion, but it is also, you know, just a small issue Overall, like I said, I really like the convention. They do a great job. So, you know, just minor things here and there So got to meet Clive Barker. It was really cool Went pretty fast his signing line was pretty quick once everything got going one of the really cool things is the private room they had him in he had Artwork just set up like wall-to-wall like all the walls He had his own original artwork there that you could purchase He had these really old vintage books you could purchase like rare posters T-shirts hats that he designed like with original designs on them. There was amazing stuff there The problem is that stuff is very pricey. So for someone who goes there and they have a very high budget I'm not that person.  I'm just gonna get this little poster thing. I was like But hey, if you can afford it good for you I thought at the least though it was very cool that he had all that artwork there and it was kind of set up like a gallery so people could see it as They were waiting in line walking to get their autograph really cool to just look at all this stuff in person He's an impressive artist and obviously an amazing Amazing creative mind. So I I was there for Clyde Barker mainly Excuse me. That was that was my goal and I achieved that goal I love him and I told him this story and it is relevant to you know, me talking about how much I like him And why I was there to get his autograph When I was young my parents like forced me to read which created This situation where I started to hate reading because you know when you're growing up when your parents force you to do things You hate that thing. You're immediately like no, I don't want to do that if you're gonna make me do that So I wasn't into reading and then I got into adulthood and I was kind of like You know, I feel like it's still kind of childish that I don't read more that I don't read more books Like I would read magazines and comics and stuff like that But I'm like I feel like I should get into reading books. So I was like, what's a good entry point Well, I love the Hellraiser movie a lot and Clyde Barker who directed wrote and directed that film wrote and directed the source Book called the Hellbound Heart. So maybe I should check that out So I read the Hellbound Heart fell in love with it. It is phenomenal writing. If you have not read it Do yourself a favor and read that Read that Jesus, I'm sorry. I'm tired do yourself a favor and read that it is Superbly written. It is a very tight story. There's no like wasted time really the tension is amazing It and it's also pretty small. It's it's a short book. So you can get through it pretty quick so That kind of really opened me up to getting more into reading books And so I read a bunch more of Clive stuff and then from there I jumped to some other horror authors. So I Told him this story and I also I said so in a way your books kind of helped promote adult literacy And he kind of laughed at that and he said he was like, thank you very much. That's that's great I'm glad so very genuine guy very nice guy and I got this Which I'm very happy about this is like a Japanese Small poster And you can see Clive autographed it down there. So Looks really good. I thought of all the poster type things or photo type things you could get signed This was the best And this was 70 dollars Just getting an autograph is 60 with one of like the small Photos that celebrities usually have that was 60 This is was an extra $10 upgrade to get this which I think is totally worth the extra $10 to be honest I mean, it's this looks phenomenal. So very very happy with that my buddy who was with me spent another $10 he got for $80 this full-size poster That's a rare poster for Night Breed that looks unbelievable.  It looks beautiful beautiful beautiful He was like he saw it and he's just like look I am not like the hugest fan of Night Breed I mean, I like it and he's like, but this is amazing looking I got I have to do it So I fully understand that I almost did it myself, but I was like I kind of like that more so Super cool, but the Clyde Barker was great I hope as many people with wanted his autograph got his autograph He's he's a he's a great guy and an unbelievable creative mind like I was saying so after that I went ahead and Got in line for Shawnee Smith I know a lot of people will know Shawnee from saw but my main focus for meeting Shawnee was Although I do really like saw and I love how she did and saw my main focus with the 1988 Blob remake which is such a great movie. I Was about to say it's underrated But I feel like it's gotten a lot more love over the past bunch of years Because people in it will inevitably online and in person have the discussion of remakes Remakes aren't good by and large and then there's always the rebuttal of well I can name some remakes that are actually pretty amazing and the blob is almost always on there when it comes to horror films People almost always cite the blobs and it is phenomenal. I love it So when I met Shawnee Smith and her line took a little bit longer But that's because she was really taking her time with people and she only made it like an extra $20 to get your To get your picture taken with her so a lot of people were doing that option I did not because I don't yeah, I'm just not big on doing the photos. It doesn't really matter to me I'm there for the autographs. So I just went with the autograph which she was 40 So then if you wanted the photo and the autographs 60 So I got her to sign a photo from the blob, of course, that's no big surprise to you guys, I'm sure She wrote to carlin and it's getting bigger Put her autograph and said Meg penny, which is her character from the blob which by the way, I have the latest release of the blob on blu-ray from scream factory Coming to me in October. I pre-ordered it very very excited about that So I will look at this photo that she signed while I'm watching the movie. Very cool Yeah, she was very nice. I talked to her about The movie the blob the remake and I just kind of wondered I was like when you saw the script you read the script Did you think? The blob remake why are we remaking the blob? I'm not sure this is gonna do all that great or did you think this is gonna be great This has the ability to be awesome She said that she she really thought that it had the potential to be awesome because she thought the script was really well done she was very excited to do it and She's like, you know, it obviously didn't do super well when it came out But it's you know gotten way more popular now So I was like but that's kind of what happens with a lot of the best movies a lot of the best movies that stand the test The time didn't do all that great when they came out in theaters and then they really gained steam and popularity with people down the road so The blob is that way then I talked to her about her role in saw and I said So with your role in saw did you have any idea that you could end up being with the series that long? Or that your character would end up being as significant as that. I mean did you see that possibility and she said well She's like if she put it to me this way She's like well, I mean I did realize that at the end of the first movie. I was the only person alive So there was that possibility and I was like that's a very good point. I didn't think about it that way. So yeah, so it was Yeah, it was cool She was really nice super nice And I'm glad I got that and then the other person that I went for there were other people I thought about going for I really when I was going there thinking I was gonna meet Ron Perlman because he's super cool Super interesting, but by the time I was able to get around to Ron Perlman He wasn't at his at his booth because he was doing his photo op time And because they do that they do like professional photo opposite people can pay for which are expensive So he wasn't there there was a lot big line that had formed and I was like I'm kind of tired and hungry right now So I mean he wasn't a must for me Clive Barker was my main focus. So I'm good so we cut out but Would have been cool to meet him, but you know had to make a decision at that point So one person who I did go with a lot of people are probably gonna see this as kind of a curveball for me Joey Lauren Adams, I know a lot of people as I just said they're like what so I love the movie Chasing Amy It is one of my all-time favorite movies. I wouldn't say it's like top 10 It's maybe like top 50 or something, but I love that movie so much the script is so well-written It's a well-executed film I love Kevin Smith in general and I thought that Joey Lauren Adams did a good job in that film and I just love Her role in it. I love the film in general. So to have her autograph is great. Once again She was super nice very very nice. I told her the story of how I showed this movie to my now wife Very early in our relationship and we kind of bonded over a little bit and I was like obviously things worked out well because now she's my wife and She she was like, oh, that's really great. Thank you so much Yeah, so I got her to sign this You know as you would probably assume this makes sense, but she just wrote much love Joey Lauren Adams so Yeah, that was really cool. She was awesome and The other thing is I talked to her about the Jains on Bob reboot And I was like I assume you're gonna be in the reboot which is coming out in October And she was like, yes, I am in Jains on Bob reboot and I was like sweet. So Yes, everyone look out for that. I think the release dates. They're doing it through like fathom events And it's gonna be like the 15th and the 16th or 18th something like that It's just like two show dates at select theaters to begin with I don't know what's going on after that, but you know, if you have interest there's that information So other things about the convention, um, the vendors are always really interesting One vendor in particular. I really need to talk about is Nightmares unlimited If you've been a person who watches my videos, you know that I put up a video of me unboxing one of the handmade phantasm spheres From nightmares unlimited that my wife had gotten me for my birthday If you haven't seen that video go watch that video because it gives you a really good idea of a how good those things are And b how quality they are So I stopped by that booth just because I wanted to talk to the guy who uh, who does it all He and his wife who make all their handmade high quality props and just wanted to say thank you once again because I love my phantom phantasm sphere. It is amazing. It looks it looks phenomenal It has weight to it. It is quality. And so he was like, oh, yeah, I saw your video Thank you so much for that and you know, we just kind of talked and his new thing is he brought a bunch of Lament configurations from hellraiser, which makes sense because you had all these people from involved with hellraiser at the convention So that was smart. And so he was uh saying that they just started doing that they made them out of uh legitimate mahogany wood And all the sides is uh, actual like hand done copper etching Which I can't even imagine how much work that is. Um, just everything he he and his wife do in general I cannot imagine how much work it is because they're super quality But he had said and and I love to hear this from vendors He said the way I approach what I make is What would I want to collect like what? Quality level would I want as a person collecting these things? He's like, and that's what drives me to do it the way I do it and I'm like, that's Extremely admirable. I love it amazing. So Awesome nightmare is unlimited people look them up, uh, mainly through facebook And I think they have an etsy an etsy is where the the ordering goes through I believe so look up nightmares unlimited awesome stuff Um, very quality very awesome. So, uh, the other thing is I always buy soap Or like lip balm or something for my wife when I'm there from arcane bunny. I believe is what it's called Um, they make like handcrafted soaps and stuff and what she really likes They have ones with coffee which smell amazing. So I do that as well and I stopped buying got a lip balm They didn't have the coffee soap. So we just went with the lip balm um Yeah, but one of the other things that occurred to me while I was there is that there are always so many vendors that It's it's tough because the the flow of people walking through the vendor rooms Is that a pretty decent pace because people just kind of want to keep it moving naturally So I feel like you miss a lot So I would recommend maybe maybe just slowing it down a little bit stopping into each one Or take a few passes to make sure you see everything unless you're there with a super tight budget And you're not looking to spend extra money. So, um What kind of what I do is I hit the autographs first and then I see kind of what's left from my budget And then I go look at the vendors, uh, like I kind of looked a little bit at Fright rags Fright rags was there They're always there. They make amazing horror shirts, but they also had some horror socks Which I was thinking about getting, uh, but then I I ended up being like, no, not this time because I did enough damage with the uh, with the autographs this time around. So Maybe next time I'll go for the socks. They have like some halloween three socks that look really cool that I heavily thought about so In the future in the future and also in the future at some point nightmare unlimited Lament configuration because that's a must for me being a huge fan of hellraiser. So, um, One of the only other issues is that the Venue itself gets hot There's one there's a pavilion where they end up having a lot of the signings And the air circulation is poor there and when you have that many bodies kind of packed into a space like that It generates even more heat and like I said, a lot of people were already sweating Uh, and it just smelled like bo and It was uncomfortable So it makes it a little tougher for waiting in line for autographs because of that I know that's that's not a fault of the convention. That just has to do with the actual venue So I wish that was You know not a problem But also the while I was there the the hallway right next to where clive barker was signing just started leaking water There was just like legitimately like Three or four large leaks coming from the ceiling and it was not raining I was like, what is going on here? So there were some problems at that At that place that need to get taken care of but like I said, not the fault of matzomanias has nothing to do with them Just some observations. Um As far as who looked like they were very popular there Uh, shawnee smith had a pretty decent line Continuously obviously clive barker and robert england had the largest lines After them the large lines were kathy nashamy Who if people don't if people are like, what's in it? I don't recognize the name She was the third witch in hocus pocus. So not bed middler not bed middler not sarah jessica parker She was the third witch Big line for her actually I was kind of surprised like I thought she'd have a line But I didn't know she'd have that many people interested So that was cool to see and who's the other one daniel harris. She consistently has good lines She had a pretty significant line She was from halloween four I want to say I haven't seen all the halloween. So I'm guessing I think it was halloween four Um, and then since they had all the people there from hellraiser They were busy, especially uh, dug bradley dug bradley is always Busy at these conventions. It's amazing. I cannot believe The amount of mileage this guy has gotten out of that one roll. It's crazy. It's cool, though I love it like he's my favorite. I I have three three autographs from him in my room here I mean, obviously you can see the one up there Uh, and then I have one of just him and then I have one of him and the three other centabytes and um He's an awesome guy. If you if you ever have the opportunity, you should definitely meet him get an autograph from him I saw him outside of the of the convention And he was walking I was just like dug and he was like, oh, hey, what's up Just like nice jovial dude On the other side of that because everyone is usually very nice My buddy met rick flair and rick flair was not that nice of a guy He did do the autograph and everything took a picture with him But my buddy told him like this heartfelt story of how Through rick flair. He was able to bond With his grandmother because his grandmother was huge in a wrestling and rick flair was her favorite wrestler And so through him getting into it He forged a much better relationship with his grandmother and he tells him the story and rick flair's response was uh, thanks So, um You know, not a big surprise because I had heard that rick flair is not that great of a guy But for my buddy, it was it was pretty crushing because he was really looking forward to meeting him and uh, You know, it's it's a letdown when you have a an experience like that where you want it to be special When you're meeting these celebrities, you want it to be kind of special You want them to be nice and I can't say that I've had any experiences with celebrities I've met where I walked away and was like, man, they weren't that nice like they're usually at least Somewhat cordial and most of them that I meet are super nice. So You know, yeah, that was just a little disappointing. But anyway, uh, I think that's pretty much all I have to say. Um, pretty standard good quality Monster mania always is I I love it. Um, I'm looking forward to going to the one in hunt valley Yes, I'm going to that one mainly because bruce cambell is the headliner for that one. I am so excited for bruce cambell. He Um, he's kind of on my bucket list for celebrity autographs. So Uh, they announced him like about a year ago For that convention. I bought tickets immediately. I was like, I'm not missing out on meeting bruce cambell Uh, I hear he's a phenomenal guy that everyone I know Or have heard of who have gotten his autograph or like he's so nice. He's so awesome So I'm super super excited for that. That is the first weekend of october. I think it's october 5th That's the saturday that i'm going. So, um Show up to hunt valley guys. There's some other really good guests. Should I read it? Okay, you can drop out of this, um Video right now if you want to if you don't want to know everyone who's going to be at that convention But if you do stick around i'm about to read it Um But it don't if you're gonna sign off right now if you're gonna not watch the video now Please hit that subscribe. I really do appreciate it can mean a lot for my channel and put some comments down there I'd love to hear from people who went to uh monster mania 43 and get your feelings How things went what autographs you got how excited you were what your interactions were like with the celebrities I really want to hear that stuff. Okay, so for monster mania 44 in hunt valley, maryland It is bruce cambell. Like I said, uh, then they're doing a reunion for scream. They have nev cambell skeet all rick roger jackson who did the voice of ghost face In uh scream matthew lillard, which i'm very excited about I have this thing about matthew lillard. I love his acting I've seen a lot of movies with him in it. I especially loved him in hackers I know it's a terrible movie, but for some reason I just love that movie So i'm gonna get him to sign something from hackers Jamie kennedy And that kind of rounds out the scream people james jude courtney who played the new michael miers nick castley who played the old michael miers sandi johnson who was in the original halloween from 1978 it says on here uh billy zane who obviously was in like demon night and is best known for like titanic and stuff like that lisa and louise burns who are the two scary twins from the original shining That's exciting Danny loyde the kid from the shining I'm I have to get him and leah belldom who was the um The good-looking portion of the old crone in the room in 237 I want to say am I right about that the room is 237. I don't know Uh, then for candy man, they have tony todd and virginia madsen. I'm gonna get them. That's awesome Ted ramy thinking about Ted ramy.  He played roy Diamond dowell's page because they like always have wrestlers involved. He's a nice guy I've actually met the guy before I didn't get his autograph. I just randomly started talking to him He's a really nice guy Uh, kane hotter again cj gram who was another jason um And that's it for now, but I think they might be announcing some more coming up. So I'll be there and then I will do another one of these videos for it So thank you everyone for checking this one out. Please help support me with my channel hit that subscribe It literally takes like a second and it means a lot to me Put some comments down there.  And if so, who do you want for your autographs? I know that Bruce Campbell line is gonna be long. So I would encourage people to get there as early as you can That's the best way to do it. Anyway, thanks again for checking this out and until next time keep it brutal


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Namaskar, Maharishika. Namaskar, Luisa. I just wanted to ask about music and art. Sometimes when I listen to the exceptional music, I feel uplifted and joyful, but also a sense of longing and pain. Sometimes it feels like I want to immerse myself in the music, but it becomes almost unbearable. When we are recipients of art, such as music or painting or sculpture, when we engage with the artwork, are we in the present moment or more in a cosmic state beyond the body? Or maybe my reaction is something else? It depends very much on the posture of the person or group of people who create that art. Let's take music. If you have music which is performed to awaken emotions, but is performed by someone who is also in that emotion because it's not really possible to create great music of a certain genre unless you are involved in it. You take a very romantic ballad. That ballad is created by someone who is themselves susceptible to the emotions that create that ballad most of the time. If they are not, then the music will not contain that authenticity. So if they are creating a ballad, it is generally created from the emotional layer of consciousness, the emotional realm, let's say. So there's this guy sitting there and he's playing his guitar and he's singing his ballad and then you are listening to it and it suddenly just touches you very deeply down in the emotional because he's authentic. So the entire emotional realm of consciousness is moved by that. If you are someone who wants to maintain balance in your system, you would not feel too comfortable about that because you would experience it as being extremely emotional, causing deep emotional waves within you and you would feel uncomfortable about it because you are looking to widen your consciousness and to maintain balance between all these six different realms of consciousness. A lot of the New Age experimental music is conceptual in nature. A lot of the electronic music is conceptual in nature. Listening to that actually creates waves in the thinking. You won't start thinking, but you won't have emotions. You won't have a really strong physical response to it. It will be more that the mind itself is impacted by that. So if you are a person who thinks a lot, you will think, unless of course you are on some chemical or the other, that's a different story, but you would be listening to that music and although people say that they go into trans states, the conceptual is so impacted by that kind of music that it leaves the body. Let's put it that way. That's the description because it's the easiest way to understand it. So you are out of the body. That kind of music at one point leads people to distancing themselves from their bodies. That would be the unpleasant part of such music for a person who is seeking balance and presence. Then you can also have very physical music like the drum beats, like the African drum beats. What that does is it moves the physical. You cannot sit still if you listen to those drums beating. There is a point at which a system which is seeking balance and is seeking to be balanced on that entire spectrum of consciousness will feel that something is pulling it too much into the physical. If you go beyond that, there's also transformative music and there's also unity consciousness music like bhajans. There are these bhajans that just after about 10 or 15 minutes, you're just out, you're spacing out and your system, if you're seeking to have a balance along the spectrum of consciousness, will not be too happy about that either. A little bit of bhajans where your eyes are open and you're present. Yes, but the moment you start spacing out, that's what happens. That kind of music is generally created by people who are spaced out. It's fine if someone wants to be spaced out and that's the path they choose, then we embrace that and we accept it. But the teaching here is to be present, to be in the body, to be awake, to be aware of the other, to be aware above all of the truth impulse within. And you cannot be aware of that truth impulse if you're spacing out. It's not possible. There is also another kind of music which is the pluriform music. I would say the ragas of classical Indian music are pluriform. They don't actually pull you out of the system, but they create within the listener a sense of almost of being godly. And even that, if it goes too far, will kick you out. But it happens rarely. And the people who create it are themselves like that because you cannot create it if you're not authentically like that. The listener will know the difference. When you listen to classical Indian music to Raga and you tune into something and you don't tune into the other, it's because the person that's creating it is not coming from that pluriform state of consciousness, but is attempting that kind of music. If you want to be in that state of equilibrium, then it's okay to listen to all these forms of music, but be present. You're listening to it. You're tuning into it. You're aware of it. And then you won't be a victim of those emotional ups and downs where your system is shaking because some people who are sensitive, their systems shake when they listen to very emotional music, very sad music, love music. Of course, there are nuances to this entire discourse. But perhaps another day, yes. Yeah, that's especially Diva's voice. Like Mariah Carey and Celine Dion and Amanda Marshall. But yeah, I think I understand it better now. It's really beautiful. Thank you. Namaskar. Namaskar, Luisa.


Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of Amir Approve. Today's special guest is Scott, who's a founder of Depression to Expression and has been speaking openly about his experience with clinical depression and anxiety disorder since 2013. Now you guys are quite familiar for the most part with my journey within depression. I've been on and off some form of depression my whole life from childhood even currently. And so I discovered Scott through, I don't know, YouTube recommendation engine. Oh, good, it worked. It works. You finally worked. Yeah, that's right. And I went through his videos and I'm like, fuck, I gotta have him on the show. And here we are, man. So welcome, Scott. Hey, thanks so much for having me. Happy to be here. Yeah, likewise. And I kind of want to dive into it and talk about your journey and your experience of like, what got you into this world of helping people with depression, anxiety, kind of shedding a spotlight on this? Right, right. Well, I think the first thing is, you know, most mental health advocates, whatever you want to call us, we're in a weird group, but we're gonna talk about that later about what I don't like about advocacy. But most people in the mental health field have either experienced some type of mental illness or they know someone. A lot of it's lived experience and then people want to add meaning to their suffering. So they're like, okay, I'm gonna now help people so they don't have to experience what I did. That was kind of my philosophy. So I throw it a bit of high school, just severe anxiety that I was feeling. That was the first time I like ever really felt that. I remember going to the doctors. I'm like, there's something wrong. Like they're my stomach and my bowel movements aren't like going too well. And he's like, oh, is everything good at school? Like, all your teachers. And I'm like, why is he asking me this stuff? I'm like, yeah, everything's fine. Everything's fine. So then he gave me like an antacid and it wasn't solved. Like that was really it. I knew what the doctor was getting at, but I had no idea what was going on. So we thought it was strictly a physical problem, which obviously it manifests physically as I was going to the doctor for a physical problem. My digestion, my overall well-being and physical health. But anxiety kept going and then through university, anxiety just led to depression. I got in an accident and fractured my tibia and tore my MCL. So I wasn't being able to be physical. And then with a new course load and school and moving away from home, everything just seemed to pile on mentally. And I had no cognitive ability, no tools. This was all new as far as experiences, new environments. And I literally didn't know how to handle it. Like no idea. So it was just like a crash. And I get how people may feel like that's such a first world kind of issue.  It's like, well, I didn't choose for that to happen. It just did. And I started to deal with it the best I could, which is figure out what's going on in my life, figure out how to change my environment, figure out how to think differently, go to therapy, try a different diet. I've gone through the list, man, of medical literature, what works, what doesn't work. And I've been a human guinea pig for a long time, just trying different things to figure this whole depression thing out and learn more and really learn uncomfortable truths about mental health and mental illness. A lot of it flipped my story upside down the more I read, but I think figuring out the truth of why this stuff happens is the gateway to learning and to healing. So it's been a journey and I don't think it's ever gonna stop. I love continuing to learn, hear people's perspectives, their stories, meet people like you and me. So it's all good right now. It's all good. I've definitely healed since then and I was diagnosed in 2008. So it's been a long time and I haven't had a real depressive episode in a very long time. And I'm gonna talk, I'd love to talk to you about what I've been doing recently that's really helped my mental health in general. Yeah, you mentioned two things over here. You mentioned things that kind of flipped your view on everything. Yeah. What was that?  I think the big one was actually watching a TED talk and then reading Yohan Hari's book called Lost Connections. He talks about depression. Oh, that's a good one. It's a great one. That really just got me thinking a lot about mental health care.  But like every email I received and people just going from one medication to the next to the next and they do that for years and they just don't see improvement. And I kept seeing this over and over and over again. And I know that's an antidote example, but it just seemed like we were missing some massive piece, some environmental piece, some societal piece that treating the brain as an island just wasn't working. People just attacking their mind as, yes, it's an organ, but just thinking that pills alone can heal depression. And I think we're just misguiding people in that sense. And I don't wanna speak out of ignorance here. We can talk about this openly since both of us have dealt with this, right? But I think it's so backwards the way we're treating these things. Well, I think one of the biggest misconceptions within, let's say, mental health, which is tied to physical, it's all connected. It's like you said, it's not an island, right? Yeah. The problem is like, you'll have people that go to their GP and the GP and in all fairness, it's like we have a system specifically here in Canada, we have a socialist healthcare system. So there's pros and cons, pros is if I break my arm or if something's wrong with my heart or if I hit my head, the ER is great. We have great ER.  Preventative care or healing care is horrendous. Like we're ranked bad, like extremely bad on the global rankings. And it comes down to like the average Canadian family pays roughly something like $67,000 a year in household income taxes when it comes to our healthcare system. So you go to the GP, GP has to function as a revolving door because it get paid by the government, right? So they have a limited window and people don't get it. Like unless they hit their quota of certain patients per day, they don't make that much money. So for them, it's like, I can't spend an hour with you, I can't dive in. So Scott comes in and was like, okay, I'm looking at the other electronic medical form.  So they just refer you to somebody else, right? To like a psychologist or whatever. Or like, well, Scott, you know, based on this, here is Adrol or here is lithium or here is whatever, right? So no fairness, I understand that. But then on the flip side is you have people like my wife's a naturopath, right?  And I'm always telling people, I'm like, everything works together. There's a time and place where we can utilize modern medicine. Like there are situations where medicine makes sense, but in conjunction to everything else. Like you mentioned, I think we're gonna dive into this where it's like, it's not simply an island. It's not like I'm gonna take a lithium or some form of medication and magically things are gonna get better. It's like, you gotta work on everything. You gotta work on your diet, you work on exercise, work on self love, work on how you view yourself to the world. So I'm kind of curious, when you had this moment, when you were like, well, things just don't make sense anymore for me as traditionally speaking. What did you do, or let's put this two ways. What did you do and what are you doing today that kind of had the most impact on your journey? Right, I think it's interesting that's awesome that your wife's a naturopathic doctor or naturopath. People have like, it's so much black and white thinking with treatment.  There can be a beautiful mix between them both. Then the deal is, it's like with depression. We know that taking medication isn't enough, but taking medication alongside therapy and talking things out. So you're level headed, you can finally tread water, you can breathe a bit. And now is the time to work on coping skills and do CBT and all this stuff. So there has to be a combination, but with me, obviously medication isn't enough and it wasn't enough. So the big thing I've been doing the last four months is intermittent fasting. I had no idea this was a thing, no idea. And it's just, so I don't eat until about two o'clock. I haven't eaten yet today. And the, well, first of all, there's a few things. Okay, so there's when I eat, which is two about to 10 o'clock because I go to bed pretty late, but then there's also what I eat. And to get rid of dairy was a massive, massive thing for me. Every time you go to the naturopath and with any problem, a lot of the time your wife can probably attest or like try getting rid of gluten and dairy and see how you feel. It's like these anti-inflammatory foods you want to increase and these inflammatory foods you want to decrease. So there's a lot of clinical evidence when it comes to, for example, got issues of people that have issues, extreme issues with gluten sensitivity or dairy sensitivity or nightshades. So like tomatoes and, you know, yeah, tomatoes, potatoes. That is a secondary cause. So meaning you have something in your body. There's some type of inflammatory response to these foods. It's not the foods that are causing it. Foods are just aggravating it. And so there's an underlying function what's going on. You know, we can call it a cytokine storm. So an inflammatory storm and there's really solid clinical evidence when it comes to gut issues, whether it's like SIBO or some form of gut permeability that's directly correlated to depression. Because a lot of people forget, I don't know exact stats, but I know it's above 60%. Above 60% of all your neurotransmitters and neurohormones are produced within the gut. Yeah, and that was a huge thing for me too, which it's not taught in, the GP wouldn't have told me that. Well, they have four hours in nutrition education. There you go, yeah. So maybe A, they didn't know or B, even if they did know we're at a real quick time constraint, like you said, I was in there for 10 minutes for a mental problem. And in Ontario, where we're from, where we're from, about I think 60% of all antidepressants are prescribed by your GP. Yeah, by a psychiatrist. So it's like, you're not even getting the best help in Canada when you're dealing with some kind of mood disorder.  So another thing that can really aggravate nutrient absorption is if you're stressed too. Your cortisol is up, you're not digesting properly. One of the things we need to do is de-stress, which is why exercise is so huge for people dealing with depression too. Not just the endorphin story, but to actually relax the body and aid digestion. So you're actually getting this nutrient absorption. So the more I learned about this is, okay, I cut sugar, refined sugar. I rarely have bread and cut dairy. And just one of the things I notice is every single, you know, throughout my whole life, I'd always have like puffy eyes. And maybe they look puffy a little from the lighting, but it's decreased drastically. Same with my breathing. I'd have like a plugged up nose all the time. And I'm just like, ah, it's just the way it is. But the more I decrease dairy and if I don't have grains and gluten, I can breathe so much easier. It's just like these physical manifestations. I had no idea that we're connected to what I'm eating and then just making me feel a heck of a lot better. It's incredible. I think people also forget, you know, we have more connection to the fungi kingdom than any other kingdom. Like we're fungus. That's right. We're an allegamation of fungi, bacteria, human DNA.  That's a whole different set of DNA. This is how we're able to trace human lineage on the mother side. We track the lineage of the mitochondrial DNA, right? So this is how we can track, you know, let's say the evolutionary theory of like, where do we come from? Where do our ancestors come from? And there's now new hypothesis that we can track it from the male side as well, as opposed to just the mother side, like mother Eve. That's I think the oldest fossils of Africa we call her Eve. Like we can trace our lineage to that mitochondria. And so when you explain this to people like, we're fungi, we're parasites, we're bacteria, we have mitochondria, we're this allegamation of all organisms working together within the body. Nothing's an island. Like everything has to be treated that's interconnected. Well, isn't it the mushrooms, they actually take in oxygen and put out CO2? Unlike trees, like that's what- Yeah, so the mushroom, the relationship with, you're talking about my core xi. So that's interesting. So the relationship they have is you have the fungi in the ground. The fungi breaks the rocks, the minerals. It feeds the minerals to the tree. In return, the tree gives it glucose. It's a symbiotic relationship. It's incredible. But again, we're treating human beings by separate organs and not looking holistically. And when it comes to how you feel, it has to do with your environment. I can't blame people for not, for maybe feeling a bit depressed in Canada, where if you look out your window too, we're in the same city right now, it's completely cloudy. Hadn't had sun in a while. We're surrounded by concrete. I look outside, when I do see a tree, it's planted on King Street in like a little hole and it's all dead. There's studies too, and I always tell these people, cities will make you depressed. Oh, 100%. Living in a shoebox, especially in Northern climate, as you mentioned, on a side note, Canada has the highest rates of MS in the world. Not a surprise, because the number one thing connected to MS is lack of vitamin D, which, you know. Everyone is deficient in vitamin D. I asked, that's one thing my GP said. I'm like, can I get tested for vitamin D deficiency? Because I know it's a thing with depression. He's like, you're deficient. It's a waste of a test. We know you're deficient, just take it, right? Yeah, that's definitely the problem with living in parts of Canada and the world. But you just think of it with common sense. I don't necessarily need studies to tell me how I feel in the city versus when I go out in nature and have a walk or go to a cottage or you go in a forest, right? There's a whole movement of forest bathing. A lot of psychologists take their clients out. While they're talking through, they'll walk through a forest instead of the classic couch scenario you see in the movies with the long leather chair. So it has to be a holistic approach. Change your environment. Just doing that can change the way you think and how you feel, right? It's all connected. But what we're doing now to diagnose people and to normalize mental illness, I don't know if it's something to be normalized. We can accept it the way it is, but when you just accept something the way it is, it's more difficult to change this and really look into it, which is what happened to me. I'm like, okay, I'll accept depression as an illness for what I've been given this chemical imbalance story, but then I got lazy about it. I'm like, it's an illness. I can't control it. There's nothing I could do. And that's what's going on in the media and on social media. It's, you see people saying mental illness isn't your fault, which it's not. But there are things you can do and parts of it you can control to get yourself out of it. And that's the empowerment piece that I like sharing. It's not how you define yourself. You aren't depression. You aren't anxiety. These are emotions, but it's not an illness you have to deal with for the rest of your life in some cases, right? Well, the problem with definition or labeling is then you have, it's pat, well, there's one, there's a nefarious point of view for that. Once they can label something, they can package it and they can make medication for it. Now I'm not against medication, but I understand the financial elements behind it. Number two is like, then you pass the puck. So a lot of people, we talked about this before the show, they get into the victimhood mentality, or it's not my fault. Now I agree people are predisposed to certain things. So people are predisposed to depression or predisposed to cancer. Yes, right? However, to say it's not in my power to change anything, that's when it gets really messed up. Yeah, you know exactly, that's what happens. I'm still saying this out of empathy. You have to be able to again tread water and be in the right mental state to then make change. So the worst thing someone can do for themselves while depressed is saying it's all my fault. I'm worthless, there's nothing I can do about it. Of course you wanna practice some self-love and compassion. Don't beat yourself up and try to motivate yourself out of it in that state. But once you can breathe a bit, once maybe you've tried medication and now you can think clearly, then is the time to take action, right? So we're not saying that a person who's dealing with depression at this very moment, it's all your fault and you should be able to get out of it. No, but just wait a while till you're steady and then really think about it, do your research, figure out different cognitive skills, try different diets, like look at more naturopathic approaches. There's so much out there and Google has led us.  Yeah, yeah, pretty much still eating its meat and veg. That's the biggest thing, not having breakfast. So intermittent fasting is huge just for energy throughout the day. If the energy I have working out or going for runs when I haven't eaten before is unbelievable. It's the coolest thing I've discovered the last year. It is so interesting what it's doing. You ever track your ketones, you have a ketone meter? I'm interested in that. Have you tried intermittent fasting or anything like that? I've been fasting, I've been in this health space for like forever. Okay, so intermittent fasting, there is some, there's justification for that for health benefits and no overall energy. Yeah, it all depends, there's different ways of doing it. There's a couple of benefits for it. So if people are looking for immune boosts based on data and obviously this data is rat data, it's not human data, right? There are some human data stuff, but though primarily one is 72 hour fasted window is shown for proper autophagy.  Every time our DNA replicates, think of a photocopier. You have the original copy, then the secondary copy gets a copy of the secondary and the third copy gets, and each copy is worse and worse because you're copying off the newest copy, you're not copying off the original copy. This is how cancer is formed. This is how disease is formed. And so they've shown in rat studies where a 72 hour fasted window, water consumed, 72 hour fasted window is the minimum time allowed for autophagy. Now what's popular today is intermittent fasting. So minimum window of 16 hours. That hasn't been shown primarily to stimulate autophagy as the study shown. However, it gives you enough, well there's a couple of benefits for it. Benefits of not stimulating your pancreas all the time. So there's been interesting studies in the last like 60 years through autopsies where our pancreas has been growing because of too much food consumption. We've been, let's say marketed to that we constantly have to be eating every three to four hours, especially if you're working out. And specifically we're eating way too much sugar and not even cane sugar. We're eating high fructose corn syrup, which is much worse. And so at least what intermittent fasting does it gives your pancreas a break. And if you are training in the morning, which I recommend light training, like the data is pretty simple. Like you can't train hard in a fasted state. Like you don't have the power, you don't have the glycogen, the glucose, but it is really good for fat oxidization. Meaning if you are training light training, like I do intermittent fasting training in the morning, I usually have my meals around 11.    So helping you get leaner. And it's really good because that training in the morning also stimulates autophagy. So, and it's been like, if you look at history of humans, like even religion, like if you look at any religion, like Christianity, Islam, Judaism, there's forms of fasting, right? It's a stoic practice. So it's not even a practice. There's medical benefits, yeah. But there's also mental and spiritual benefits.  Like I've tried, I've experimented with keto last year. I just did it for 30 days. Really interesting. And that was a really hardcore keto, like no spices even. I just wanted to see, if I'm allergic to anything and did it that way, right? So there's some fascinating studies on people with depression. Like I've had gut permeability my whole life. Like I was born to Syrian section. I've obviously had vaccine, was younger. I had a lot of PTSD. Like my family comes from a war-torn country. Like there's a lot of like downward pressure that I went through as a child. Like I had overdoses in my life, drug abuse, blah, blah, blah, you name it. Okay, there's fascinating studies when it comes to gut permeability and depression. As I mentioned earlier, neuro-transmitters and neuro-hormones are produced within the gut. And specifically for people, depending on your genetics as well, like what's interesting with ketones, A, they provide more energy than glucose. Like the ATPs, there's more ATP in one molecule of fat than there's one molecule of glucose.  Cause a lot of people forget for your cells to properly efficiently utilize glucose. There's receptors that must grab glucose into the cell. Glucose itself as a molecule cannot enter a cell. It needs glute receptors, right? This is why exercise is good. It stimulates those receptors for your muscle tissues to eat the sugar, which is good. Ketones don't need a taxi driver, as I call it. Ketones can enter your cell. They can pass a blood brain barrier as well. This is why we've seen clinical studies. Ketones is really good for Alzheimer's, good for Parkinson's disease, good for depression, like extremely good for depression. And so I'm not surprised that you mentioned intermittent fasting in the morning has been, like you feel like really good. Like you mentioned, and you said something interesting, like the energy that you get. And this is why I asked you the question, like, are you experimenting with the keto meter? Cause I would interested to see the level of ketosis that you're in. Yeah, me too, actually. Yeah, you mentioned that one. You can get the glucose keto one. They have a dual one. I think it's the company's precision. Yeah, the company's precision.  Same thing as the diabetes thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.  I love that. Well, I don't know, it's, I love how you said the overeating culture. Yeah.  It's so wasteful and so not true. I don't know, you know, I can't source studies, but for me, I don't know if I'm eating less, I'm not counting my calories right now. All I know is that my body is functioning way better doing intermittent fasting, and eating a little bit. Technically, you are eating less, and there's two reasons why. Number one, you're not eating one meal. So there you go. Number two, if you are paleolithic low carb, depending on your source of meat, you're eliminating a whole food group, which is carbohydrates. So automatically, you're eliminating those calories. Right. And so there's two for one, right? So you're missing a whole meal, maybe that meal's a hundred, maybe a hundred calorie meal that you're not eating in the morning, and now you are eliminating a whole food group. Right. And so, and you're also, well, a lot of people don't understand too, is our hormones and how we get satiated is also dependent on a circadian rhythm, right? So you have, and I'm gonna simplify this as much as possible, you have two primary hormones, the single your body that you are hungry, not hungry. One's called leptin, one's called ghrelin. They work opposite, right?  I might be confused. That's all right, that's all right, okay. By the way, guys, I am not a doctor or a medically trained person. I ran in person, that's curious. That's fine, that's good. And so the problem is people eat constantly and you're sending the bad wrong signals to the body. Because you train the body, the body's no different than you're training a muscle, like if you're in the gym training the biceps, or you're training your back, right? These are negative feedback systems that you're doing.  You're training ghrelin and leptin that you need food every three to four hours. And in reality, you don't. Right, and it's the same with, while your insulin is spiking all the time in your blood sugar levels, and with someone dealing with anxiety and having these spikes of energy and too much, you kind of want that constant energy feel. And if you're already predisposed, if you're dealing with an anxiety disorder, even just the frequency of meals and what you're eating, it's huge to have kind of a balance and level head. And again, it's something we don't talk about. So I had to unfollow, I like to be in the mental health arena with see what people are doing. And I had to unfollow so many people, even one yesterday who was defending that, I have to have McDonald's and all you people who are judging me, I just needed like this meal, but they complain all the time about how they're depressed and they're taking McDonald's is kind of like fat activists, how they're, the pendulum is just really far this way to say, hey, like, this is the diet culture here. Well, I'm going to complete opposite because I love myself and my body. And some of it might be for attention, some of it might be for taking a stand against something different or with something different, but- Majority of the time, it's aiming for attention. I always say, who hurt you? Things, well, exactly, that's a really good example. They're not, they're hurting, maybe looking for validation, maybe again, trying to start something new and have a following, but it's really sad to see that and people getting defensive when they post these things. And I'm just like, if you really want to help yourself, like people are, the comments for this specific McDonald's post was like, people were legitimately trying to help. Like, hey, like maybe, you know, let's think about your diet next time, maybe McDonald's once a week, it's probably not helping how you're depressed all the time. But again, we go back to that mantra that people are saying that it's an illness and it's a chemical imbalance and there's nothing I can do about it. If there's nothing I can do about it, then anything I do won't make it worse and anything I do won't make it better. I think we need to get out of that way of thinking and just support each other and have a more open mind to different treatments. Yeah, so let's continue on this train of thought. You changed your diet, you started intermittent fasting. Besides that, did you get into any supplements? Like I first want to focus on the diet and stuff that we can get into like stuff you mentioned like CBT and other like, let's call them modalities. Cognitive, yeah, yeah, yeah. So as far as supplements, I'll take Omega-3's high EPA formula. I kind of go with very studied out there and as far as that, as far as anti-inflammatory properties and Omega-3's, that's huge and also just eating more fish and shrimp and oysters. Oysters are the best, man. They are the best. That's a recent discovery for me too. Oysters and anchovies when it comes to pound for pound and Omega-3.  Well, that's the thing, right? And there's something really cool called the antidepressant food scale, which oysters is at the top, same as anchovies and fish are all there. And as you get lower, it gets to like, geez, what would like maybe pork on the meat side and poultry, but things that come from the ocean, it's amazing for the brain. So that's one thing, Omega-3's also take B vitamins as well, just based on the evidence that's out there, B12, and magnesium sometimes, if I'm having trouble sleeping, but that's nothing huge. I haven't experimented with probiotics. I'm not sure about that yet, but it's something that I'm open to trying. But as of the last few months, like this supplement routine that I have, Omega-3's, B vitamins, intermittent fasting, mixed with low carb, no dairy, low sugar, has been amazing. It's really been amazing.  I have tried, well, even the, wow, it's, what's the kombucha? Kombucha. It's delicious, but something about the fermented, maybe I'm trying a different one, but it doesn't work with my stomach that well. But I know fermented foods are supposed to be great. Well, the kombucha is interesting, guys. I think it was, there's one of the strains that is lactobacillus in kombucha. And so it causes some people have got issues histamine. Like it's been recorded. It's not the best for people. Like I don't do quite well with kombucha either. I actually make my own homemade kombucha from scratch. Easiest fuck, like, it's the easiest. I need the starter. Bro, I ordered on Amazon, I can't get my house. You can get that on Amazon? Yeah, they come in like what, a dried vacuum sealed package, I guess. Well, not dry, it's wet, but yeah, it's vacuum sealed. Cool. Yeah, it's so easy, man, beyond easy to make. Like anyone can make it, a six-year-old can make it. It's great. Okay, I'm gonna try it. It takes about three weeks, but it's worth it. But yeah, for me, like I eat a, like what I added lately in my regimen, like a lot of it is kimchi, like raw made like kimchi, like spicy Korean kimchi. Really? Okay. And so in regards to how you're feeling, you know, we can kind of go back and forth as I'm interested with you too, because you've dealt with depression. I'm talking a bit about diet. As far as your diet, what have you kind of changed not recently, but what's your daily lifestyle like as far as diet? My diet's more timing diet, so it's still more on the, I wanna say it's lower carb than regular people, but I still have carbs. And the primary carb source I would have is tubers or white rice. And the only time I do eat carb is after workout. I never have carbs before a workout. Okay.  At least for this quarter, I'm doing IF and very light workouts in the morning. Like I mentioned, kind of like boxing, shadow boxing, skipping rope, all that stuff. And I just had my first meal. So my first meal is around 11 o'clock and it's usually a nice protein. I try to get organ meats as much as I can. So I have organ meats, I'm big on mushrooms. I'm a mushroom freak. Like I try to mushrooms, mushrooms, mushrooms, mushrooms. And so organ meats and mushrooms, a little of the garlic on there and then I would have maybe some tubers. So for me, it's more timing of the food because I also don't eat three hours prior to bedtime. So my window of eating is I usually have one gigantic meal, which is my after workout meal. Like I probably had 70% of my calories right now. Like I eat a lot after my workout. Cause that's when you're the most insulin sensitive, where meaning I can grab the insulin or my cells can take up the glucose. I can utilize all the calories that came in for my workout.  And so my next meal right now is like 130, it would be probably around six and it'll be no carbs. Okay, interesting. Yeah. And then as far as supplements, do you take anything? I'm on a lot right now. Oh yeah? Okay, what are you taking? High high dose EPA omega threes in conjunction with a lot of fish.  So high EPA to DHA ratio of omega threes, I take high dose magnesium about 2,000 milligrams a day. They're split usually. So one in the morning, one in the evening. I take high dose ashwagandha. Then I take... Is that a berry? Is that a berry? No, it's an adaptogen. It's good. Oh, okay. So I take ashwagandha, I take high dose, 2,000 milligrams of vitamin C split up. What else I take? I take, what else?  Vitamin D? Yeah, I take vitamin D with vitamin K because they have to be together. They can't be disconnected. So they work synergistically. So if you look at food groups, there's always vitamin K with vitamin D. So I'm taking like 4,000, 5,000 I use with vitamin K. Okay. What else am I taking? Why are you taking vitamin C on its own? Well, I don't take it on its own. I take it with... For that supplement, why do you take vitamin C as a supplement? Are you not like, isn't that pretty available when fruit and things are eating or do you not eat a lot? Not at these doses. So there's really good clinical studies and the godfather of this research is Abram Hoffer. I think Abram, vitamin C, all through molecular research. Okay. Vitamin C. Pretty sure his name was Hoffer, Abram Hoffer. Abram Hoffer, yeah, my memory works. So Abram Hoffer, vitamin C, really good for gut permeability issues. So you have something called microvilli which are like finger light projections within the gut, which are responsible for nutrient. So they're good studies for vitamin C. For that stuff as well. And you're taking how much vitamin C per day? 2000, 1000 in the morning, 1000 in the evening. Hmm, that's something I wanna look into now.   Wow. And is this to make you just like the most super human or the best you could feel possible or most productive? Do you know what I mean? Like you can take anything to the extreme. And some people with nutrition, other people with working out. Like what's the goal of you experimenting with these things? Just at a straight curiosity, feeling better? For me, you know, I run a couple of startups. I'm in the tech scene, it gets stressed out. And so for me, it's like also looking at my levels, it's like these are things that in a stressful scenario are the first things to be diminished within the body. Like maybe in goes vitamin C goes to, you know, put up a little bit antioxidants. But I'm also curious on, there's two aspects. There's how you feel, which is really important. And then there's data, all right? And usually they correlate. Right, yeah, yeah. How you feel can correlate into your lab results. And it can be like checking, you know, C reactive protein. You can be checking your hormone profile. So testosterone, free, you know, free testosterone.  So for me, it's like how I feel, but also correlating to my data. Now for me, it's like, I just like, I don't know, I guess I'm a, I wanna call myself extreme guinea pig. I just like to, I like to, let's say experiment to see how I feel with certain things.  And?  What's the intention behind that drug? Focus, it's for people with ADD. Like I'm technically diagnosed with ADD, but like. Do you take, do you take medication for that? No, I'd be, I'd be, I have ADD when it comes to other topics, but when I find something that interests me, I have the opposite of OCD. Like I dive in so deep that it's hard for you to rip me away from something. Right. Madaffinel works, but it makes me very anti-social. Like I don't like the feeling of it. I see. It's almost like an Adderall effect where people like forget to eat and you're much cleaner. Like I would recommend Madaffinel any day before Adderall.  There was a, I know there was a Netflix documentary on Adderall. I didn't know anyone at university who was taking it, but I guess they kind of do it behind the scenes. It's a really popular study drug. I had no idea. I didn't know, like, I don't even know if I would have taken it at the time. It's not like- Very addictive. But yeah. Very, very addictive. Right. So I think what you're saying is you want to be on top of your game obviously, but I think that's fair for everyone. Where you see the data and you're like, I'm low on this, I'm low on this, and this could help me perform better. This could help me be a, that she's a better partner, a better dad, a better worker, a co-worker. It all depends on what you're trying to achieve. You know what I mean? Yeah. I'm going to be open with people, but I'm going on a big peptide tear soon. I'm slowly going, losing my hair. It's super genetic. Like, actually it's a freak of a nature why I still have hair for my family. Like everyone's bald. Looks like you have lots of hair though. I have a lot to, it's thinning. It's like, it's actually, it's thinning.    You know, the person who cracks the ball thing will be a, like more rip skin. The problem is, the problem is there isn't, if you look at anything in life, like depression, let's go back to that. There's no one size fits all. Right. That's the thing. It's like, circumstances matter. Like we, you know, we talk about depression and I'm a firm believer in for the most part, free will doesn't exist. Like you behave in a certain spectrum. It's not like things aren't in your control. They are in your control. But the reality is you are born with a base of genetics. Okay. X, Y, Y, X, you know, different chromosome from your mom and dad. Your genes are expressed in a certain way. It's called epigenetics. Now, your upbringing has a very, very important role in how you view the world. That's your nuclear upbringing, meaning your internal family. And that can be anybody and like the people you spent the most time with as a child. Then you have society upbringing.  You can look at the study. Jonathan Haidt has great studies when it comes to depression and anxiety. Yeah, he's great. His last book is really good cuddling of the American mind, showing that especially females, like young girls in social media are the worst mix possible. And so you look at all this and it's like, okay, Scott is born with a set of genetics. He can't control that. Comes to the mom and dad. Then he had an upbringing. Comes as a nuclear upbringing. It's, this is something innately, I'll call it gifted to you, everything's a gift. It's not what happened to you, it's what happened for you. And so then it's like, okay, I'm in this situation. I know that I can only control up to a certain degree. Right? So it's like, I know my genetics are like this. And like, I'll give example with people. I have addicted personality. I quit drinking alcohol before it's in vogue now. Like I quit nine, 10 years ago, I think now. Like I don't drink a sip of alcohol. Whoa, nothing.  Do you smoke? Used to a long time ago.  I got time. So I try to quit forever. Like are you mean cigarettes or you mean weed? Never got weed. I didn't like it. It's not good for my personality. It made me slow. I'm like very hyperactive. Okay. I used to sniff cocaine and eat together. That was my favorite drug. Yeah, I would call it Tony Smurf. And yeah, yeah, yeah. So I try to quit like six, seven times cigarettes. And I was a pretty big smoker. Like I party four days a week. I drank in the club. I was a club hopping nonstop bottle service, cocaine, ecstasy and like a pack and a half or two packs a night. No problem. Like binge. Okay. Nothing worked. What worked, believe it or not, is I was having a basketball game.  And I think I was like, I think I quit when I was like 19. Yeah. Something like that.  Cause I was out of breath. I like, I wasn't conditioned what's aware. And I'm like, my ego got destroyed.  And I love that. And that was the catalyst. I'm like, bro, I got mad. I got angry.  And so I quit then and there, but I was quite aware of my triggers and made me smoke. Coffee cigarettes. It's like, they had chemical engineers designed those two things to go together. Seriously. And so I, alcohol, yeah, alcohol. Yeah, exactly. Wow. So then and there, man. I quit. I paused drinking alcohol. I paused drinking coffee for a year at that point. I didn't go to a club, didn't go to a bar. Anyone that smoked around me, I just left. Like, I couldn't be in the environment.  So if you're depressed and you're in a environment that is not conducive to your success, like you have a partner that's an enabler or you're working in a work environment that's putting extreme social pressures on some form of pressure. I don't care what you do. It's gonna, like, don't get me wrong.  Like, it's not, you're not gonna solve anything. Exactly. No, you're right. And it's interesting. I tried to, this was years ago, tried to go to a depression support group. This was back in like 2010. And it wasn't peer support. It was like a depression support group with anyone who was going through a hard time and dealing with depression. You're all in a circle. Just think of what you've seen in the movies. That kind of thing, like AA setup.  If you're depressed, the worst thing you can do is to hang out with someone else who's depressed. Seriously, we think it's good because all we can connect with someone and they'll understand and they're feeling what I'm feeling. But that's not gonna get you in. It might make you feel hurt for a second. But it's not conducive to actually getting you to rise above it, right? You need to hang out with people who have maybe been through it and they're on the mend or they're on the other side or people who, geez, maybe people who don't even understand depression and maybe won't take it too seriously. They just wanna get through the day to day and have fun and not really look too far into it. The environment and who you hang out with is massive. So I went to one of those support groups and never looked back. It did not help at all. It didn't help. So you mentioned CBT. Like when did you get into that? That was when I went to therapy for 2009 and that was like kind of the go-to with looking at how you think and it's like metacognition. You have to think about what you're thinking about and I'd never really done that and analyze thoughts. And there's a few different approaches. Like again, you can think of it black and white.  And absolutely there's a time and a place and that actually helps with CBT. But sometimes you have to actually pick a part of thought or pick a thought apart and really see where it comes from. Where's it going? What else does it lead to? Is that thought coming from a past experience? Okay, let's go into that past experience. Look at the evidence and now look at the thought again. And to do that through CBT is to really, I think it actually helps you realize at the end that they are only thoughts and a thought isn't necessarily you and you can look at it and you can kind of move on. When anxious about the future you can, I just literally think the future is just a thought. The future doesn't necessarily exist. It exists in our minds and in thoughts. And with CBT it helped me realize that there's a time and a place to pick apart a thought and then with mindfulness and me practicing meditation since 2009, there's also a time and a place to just let them do what they do, let them come, let them go, observe them for what they are and don't take them so seriously. So again, I think as we talked about with diet, there's a time and a place for having pharmaceuticals and a time and a place for naturopathy and to combine those two and figure out maybe one works better for you, maybe the other works better. Same with these cognitive tools that I use. It's like CBT is sometimes picking apart and journaling the hell out of something and analyzing and taking time towards one thought. That works beautifully a lot of the time and then a lot of the time sometimes meditation, sitting with a thought and just being like, let it go, let's see what else comes. That's also powerful too. It's a beautiful compromise. And I hate how a lot of the time the Greeks were right with moderation is key. It just always seems to come back to that but in my life, it's so true. Yes, there's a lot of good benefits with CBT and so people wondering that's cognitive behavioral therapy and I think the problem with a lot of people when meditation is they think classical meditation where it's like, oh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you practice meditation? Yeah, so I don't practice classical meditation. So I'm a very kinesthetic person. Oh, do you do dynamic meditation, like OSHO stuff? No, no, no, no. You know what that is? Bioenginegetics, oh, I want to try that. I got deep into better. Okay, I know. Okay, okay. So that's another part. Bioenginegetics is legit. That's what works, man. That's what helped me with, that's where depression to expression came from. Oh, really? Yeah, it was me physically using the body to release depression and I'd go in the woods where no one was and I do bioenergetics and I'd scream and I would just, it like demons would literally come out of my body. It felt like and I would shake, I would vibrate, I would drool, I would spit and as crazy as it sounds, it was a lot less crazy doing that than to keep dealing with depression. And I've definitely been an advocate for that kind of meditation of using the body. When you're anxious, I think for me, the last thing I want to do is like, sometimes just calm down and sit and breathe and say album, there's like nervous energy and tension you got to get out. So can you relate to that? Well, yeah, for me, and this goes back to knowing thyself, everybody's different. And so I tried for the longest time, classical sit-down meditation. And for me has to be kinesthetic movement. So my form of meditation is every day I walk, I have a dog too, so helps, but every day I walk about 35, 40 minutes. I use noise cancellation headsets. So no music, no nothing, just noise cancellation.  When I used to live in a house in a townhouse I don't have a backyard, but when I used to live in a house at a backyard, I would do a lot of Qi Gong joint mobility. I used to compete professionally in sports, so I got into deep into joint mobility and practice that form like energetic stuff in the morning, grounded on nice grass. Qi Gong, is that similar to Tai Chi? Kind of, there's two Qi Gongs. There's a medical Qi Gong and energetic Qi Gong. So there's two types of camps of different Qi Gong. But for me it's more or less the act of moving is enough of a distraction from the mind and until you get into your body forces you to get in a focus and then the movement of your body gets a point that you don't even realize that you're in flow. Like that's a whole point. You wanna get in a state of flow. And so it's also like your ambient environment. Like I can't sit down in my house, I don't like to be in my house. I like to be outdoors. You know, I'm big in psychedelic therapy and a lot of people do it indoors at a house. For me, I personally can't, like I have to be in nature.  I'm lucky I got a six acre lot up in just north of Wasega, it's beautiful. Oh, nice. Okay, thanks for the invite. Yeah, we'll do it, man. We have some nice psychedelic retreats for sure. Oh, cool. Well, okay, let's talk about, if you don't mind, I would love to know your experience with psychedelics because there is some research that basically got stumped with mushrooms and with LSD when treating depression especially. And grieving and loss and I think that is fascinating and it's a shame that I don't necessarily know the data of people who have done it. And I don't know if it can, you know when weed was treated like kind of like these kinds of drugs that it'll kill you and you're gonna ruin the rest of your life, I don't know if there's such thing as a bad trip with those drugs that it completely changes your brain. People label it a bad trip, I just label it as a trip. So I do wanna emphasis a caveat and researchers, I'm not clean Toronto, we have great research. One of the top researchers in micro dosing is Rodin Petranker from U of T here in Toronto. So Toronto is one of the super clusters of universities focusing on psychedelic research and we're having a massive renaissance and we still need a lot of research. You know, the contradictions, if you mentioned earlier like if you're on benzos or if you're on SSRIs or sort of the medication or, you know, let's say you do a genetic screening from 23 and me and you realize you might have a predisposition to psychosis or psychiatric, not psychosis and schizophrenia. So there's like any medicine, there should be a astrics where it's like, we need to do screening. Like where are you in your life? What are you taking? And plant medicines are very different. Like LSD, it's a synthetic but derived from organic material, you know, it behaves quite differently. And funny thing that people don't realize, okay? So there's something in science called LD50, lethal dose 50, what that means is what is the amount necessary to kill half the population within the study? So it's kind of like a bell curve, if you think about it. And so LSD and psilocybin, no LD50, you can't have a dose on it, nonexistent. Interesting. That's the active ingredient in mushrooms. Psilocybin? Yeah. Okay. And then what's the, there's ayahuasca and then there's an active ingredient in ayahuasca that you got. Dimethyltryptamine, DMT. That's it, yeah, there's. But DMT alone is not ayahuasca. So ayahuasca is DMT with a MOA inhibitor. So you need a MOA, M-A-O, M-A-O inhibitor to have the proper effects of DMT. Now you could get oral DMT, but it has to be five MEO DMT from the frog to have the same kind of effects, which is like, I haven't personally done five MEO DMT. I've done DMT with vaping, I've done copious amounts of psilocybin shrooms, wet, dry, hero journey of five grams plus. I've done iboga, nuffel dose, micro dosing and low dose of iboga, which is quite beneficial.  But these are all different, right?  So people think they can just take in, but whoop, that thing will be better. It's like, listen, if you don't have proper, and this is why I always recommend find somebody. In Toronto, believe it or not, we got good talent. There's really good people who can facilitate and who are both psychologically trained as a, whether it's a psychiatrist or somebody that understands the mind or have gone through the journey, Toronto, we're blessed to have really good talent that we hear that can help people. Wow. And I don't know if this is something like we've spoke about CAMH for those listening. It's the Center for Addiction and Mental Health. Do they do any work with psychedelics for? No, you think they're gonna know? No, nothing. This all is kind of privatized, but it's not funded. Like you can see it is funded by who though? Private donors. Oh really? So with all of these drugs that you've experimented with, was there an aha moment in some of those? Was that something that helped you with depression? The best one that's been helping me the most that helps me with my PTSD would be integrative MDMA therapy. So that one has helped me the most, yeah. I did not know they used in lower doses. No, no, you can't do that. There's a tipping point. So MDMA can't do micro dosing. So the protocol for me is you start with 0.1. So 100 milligrams or micro grams. I forget. Anyways, 0.1. And then every 30 minutes you do a bump to then a 0.005 and a 0.005. So you end up with 0.2. But then there's a system like you're laying down. I have a journal. I use my phone as a tape recorder. I have something called Sleep Mask.  Mindfold. It's a 3D Sleep Mask. So it's foam.  Oh, that's so smart. Yeah. So it's a mind. The mask is called a Mindfold Match. You use it for sleeping as well. It's great. I want that. It's the best. Best $20 investment you can possibly make. Oh, my gosh. OK. And so you have all this stuff and you do a lot of integration because you're in the moment. And for me, how I correlate MDMA, listen, anybody listen to this, take this with high warning. Please do not try this on your own. Please do not just go out. Like I said, it really does matter if you're on SSRIs or if you're on benzos, if you're on medication. Really, all medications, anything in life, do not mix. Consult somebody. And if you guys are in Toronto, we have the Toronto Psychedelic Association, which can help you with any guidance that you need. Or you can contact MAPS, so Multidisciplinary Association of Psychedelic Studies or Research. There's American Division, which is run by Rick Rubin. We're not Rick Rubin, that's a producer. Rick Dublin. And then we have the Canadian one too. And so for me, that was the best one. And then other ones like Shrooms, I always have amazing deep dives and shrooms. And then you can combine them like MDMA with shrooms and different analogs like 2CB, 2CA, and all this stuff. Right, I think this is the conversation that I think needs to be more open when it comes to mental health. So the reason that I don't call myself an advocate is because a lot of people don't have conversations like this, which is why I was so excited to come on here. And I didn't know it would even go in this direction, which is even cooler. A lot of it revolves around psychiatry and pharmaceuticals, which is fine, but that can't be 95% of the conversation when there's so many alternatives that we know. And when alternatives like this we talk about, like psychedelics, when we talk about diet, I think it's automatically cast in the shadows and thought of as alternative medicine. And maybe it's called alternative for a reason, but the alternative can be just as powerful if not more than a pharmaceutical. This is also a good litmus test when you are trying to work with somebody. Imagine if you went to a car mechanic and the car mechanic only looked at your spark plugs. That's it.  You know what I mean? I can't stop, man. Like, what are you doing? The car works as a whole unit, right? The alternator has to be there. The spark plugs have to be working. The cylinders, everything, right? The whole engine has to be working in unison together. You can't just be looking at one aspect of it. And so if you are, and that's what I recommend, always go by referrals. Go to your network, ask around, and work speaks for itself. Let me put it that way, right? So like I said, we actually, there's really good healers within Toronto and Ontario. And so yeah, as soon as, and anytime I hear anybody pooping on like diet doesn't play a role and I look at them like, you really are dumb. Like, I'm pretty bad at being like, you're just dumb. No, it's true. It's true. Like you can't ignore that. And I think, again, having these conversations and knowing that there's evidence everywhere and that the body works as a whole is just something we need to get out there because I know how difficult it is to when you're in, when you know it yourself and you're in kind of that industry and you're following certain people that spread this kind of information. I tend to think that, okay, then everybody knows about this stuff. It's common knowledge.  And it's so sad. The education isn't there. The research isn't there. The curiosity isn't there. The skepticism isn't there. That can go back to what we teach kids in school.   It's like, it's a real shame, which is why I started depression to expression, right? The other thing I'd like to say is, so we talked about diet, meditation, CBT. The other thing I did recently, last year was sensory deprivation tanks. Yeah, and I still have one for going this month again and I'd like to go once a month. But that is something if you're, you can probably combine it with different drugs if you want to go nuts. But even someone without using drugs on top of it, just going in sober is quite an amazing experience. What's been your experience with the float? The first time I ever went, so there are 90 minute sessions. I went to the one on Queen Street, Toronto. Yeah, Float Toronto, yeah, stay here. It took me almost 90 minutes to get into the zone and then time was up.  I was kind of like the first two times I went until my body get used to it. And it's a great experience, like it's room temperature, your leg pitch black. And so the second time I went a little bit micro dose, tiny, tiny bit, not too much.  I brought waterproof these earbuds. Oh, right on. What did you play on them? Just binaural beats. So I have like just cool audio stuff, yeah. Cool. And binaural beats really helped me. Yeah, I had the same experience. Took me about half the time to relax my neck. That was a big thing. And I'm so tense trying to like stay afloat.  So that took me a while to get the body in tune. And then once that happened, my mind could relax. So a lot of the time it actually starts with a body and that affects the mind for sure. Think about any exercise really.  And I had a feeling that's maybe what some other drugs can do, but that was completely natural and felt amazing for me. So I'm definitely gonna bring that into my practice every month for those listening. Yeah, the isolation tanks, flotation tanks, whatever you wanna call them. You could do it in your own bathroom but you need like 80 pounds of salt so you can float that well in your tub. You can do it in your house. I've been doing since my, I used to train a semi-pro MMA martial arts when I was much younger and I competed professionally in kettlebells.  How do you compete in kettlebells? You mean kettlebells? Like the, what is that? Just a lifting contest? Yeah, similar to Olympic lifting, like kind of the lifts.    You put down the- No. Yeah, so then you have the long cycle.  So that's a long cycle for 10 minutes and then you're counting your reps. Everything has to be locked out straight, proper form. Then the third lift is a snatch. So 32 kilos. So you do five minutes left arm snatching up and switch five minutes snatching up and how it works as a coefficient score. So it's a, you take your weight divided by total reps of your lifts and that's your coefficient score. So that's kind of- Oh, geez. When I see like, I don't wanna try kettlebells heavy at least cause I see like form is so important with any of that stuff. Well, anything like you start with a barbell if you're doing Olympic lifting or powerlifting or even like without weight, I see a lot of people at the gym trying to do pull-ups. Horrible. Like they don't activate anything is like- Right, right. I'm like- Are you the guy that goes and like helps them out? Cause sometimes, yeah. I know it's hard. I got my music. It's the noise cancellation headsets. I got a hoodie half the time. Like I don't have a hat and a hoodie.  But it's sometimes hard to see these people and not, you don't wanna be the guy to offer advice, but at the same time, if it's coming from a genuine place, you wanna actually help cause you can see like, yeah, that guy's back is gonna be messed up in like six months. Yeah. If you're doing that. Let them be.  That's what don't bother people. Like people come up to me, ask me about stuff.  Like, no, just respect. But like I'm here to train.  Right, right. Like I'm training, like leave me alone.  Right, right, right.  Let him be. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. But you use that, use the gym for meditation. As you said, like, I totally get that. Some people use it to be social and to see familiar faces. I'm the same way. It's like my time to, you know, get back in my body after sitting for a while looking at a pixelated screen. So I can totally understand that that's your time. Oh yeah. Yeah. Ever got into breathing, like Wim Hof, like deep diaphragmic breathing? There's, oh geez, what's the kind of yoga? Kundalini. Kundalini yoga, Kundalini yoga gets really into breathing. I've done that once and it was very interesting. I've never felt my lungs that much before. Like I've never been aware of my lungs that much and what air feels like. But that's something I'd like to try. It's really just during my sit-down meditations. I'm just inhale, exhale, very simple. But what are other breathing practices? Wim Hof is a really good, simple one. Is that the, that one? Yeah. And in my stomach? Yeah, so it's, okay. So it's, okay. So it's 30, 30. On the 30th, you exhale, you don't inhale, you hold as much as you can, but you don't want to hold too long. So you just hold until you just feel that feeling. Then you inhale, then you hold it until you just get that feeling where you, not too hard, you get like that difficult feeling. Then you exhale. So that's one set. How many sets, how many sets? I do three. Okay. So then it'll be 90 reps. Is there a research into this kind of breathing and how it affects the brain and like oxygenation and that kind of stuff for the money? Yeah, there's research, yeah, yeah. I'd be interested to see that because I know like just you shallow breathe throughout the whole day until you realize and come to terms with, to how you're breathing and have that awareness, right? And then when you finally do a breath, it's like, if you pay attention, might the bottom of the lungs feel like almost stale, like they haven't been touched. I know that's not how it works, but that's how I feel like finally when you take a bigger inhale, you kind of wake up the whole body. It's the breathing is something that I definitely want to bring into a daily routine. And just not sitting down and doing it, but just as we're walking, just as we're at the gym, it's just much easier to do and focus on while let's say you're at the gym.  So I try to hold my breath as much as I can. Oh, that's amazing. I do like hypoxia stuff. So it's like, then just walk. I'm over anyways. And then I can't take any more than exhale, but then I don't inhale right away. Then I hold that exhale as much as I can. Then I like rinse and repeat. That's so, that was, you know, David Blaine, the magician. Yeah, the magician, yeah. That's kind of what he did to train the breathing, or train himself to hold his breath for whatever eight minutes or something. It's like he would do that until he would get massive headaches. And then do it again. That guy's a giddy pig. That guy. But I'll do that too. Like I have a pool in the condo and I'll just go and just stay underwater for as long as I can. People looking in from the gym, they're like, is that guy dead in the pool? I just put a hand up. Yeah, what's up? But the long story short, there's like, as we've just attested to, there's so much you can do for mental health that just needs to be explored. I think people need to have a more giddy pig approach to their bodies. And as everyone's different, as you mentioned, like, so what works for some people won't work for others, but the point is to kind of find your niche and find what works for you. And that's kind of the whole point. I can't say that something is completely wrong, although it's really hard to when you see someone eating McDonald's every day, complaining that they have depression. I'm like, that might be the wrong thing to do. But holding judgment won't really help anyone long run, but I think everyone just needs to figure out their own recipe. I agree, yeah. I think we'll leave it at that. That's a great ending. Everyone figure out your recipe. That's right. Well, Scott, I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and experiences. If people wanna get ahold of you, learn more about you, what's the best resource that can reach you at? Yeah, depression2expression.com. And then let's see, check out my YouTube channel and my own podcast where I'll be having a mirror on as well and getting him to do more of the talking and explore this a little bit more. So, depression2expression.com. Awesome, thanks, Scott. Thanks.