Welcome to Toffy TV, where there's a lot of talk out there at the moment about fan protests, atmosphere of goodersham, what is the best for the football club moving forward, well I've got Chris Hannon here from the altogether now movement who's helped try to get the evidence fans mobilised a little bit to try and create a better evidence Chris, as far as I can see. Obviously a lot of people on Twitter have been asking us, we've seen them in the comments, have been talking on Saintly the game on Saturday against Bremford about what is the best thing to do in terms of do we have protests, how do we get the atmosphere better than the game. From your point of view, what do you think is the best thing and what will be happening on Saturday? So to begin with it'll be the same details as the other marches on Saturday at three o'clock, so we'll be meeting at two at the oak and then marching up. Peaceful protest like the rest of them, they've been brilliant, everyone's been, I'm actually brave, I think it shows that the difference in the police presence from the first one to the last one, that you know we're not there to be daft and do daft things, which obviously I can't force anyone else to be there. No one can, but everyone's behaving well, especially the kids there, the women there, so that's been brilliant. So we'll walk through as we have been to the director's entrance, have a sing song, tell him what we're thinking and basically get on with your day hopefully. People get a bit riled up a bit of adrenaline and get on the ground and it increases the atmosphere of goodness, in which it has done, definitely did three hours, not getting my fourth, maybe not so much for the ones coming on from that, but it can help and as we've seen I think we've lost one, one, two so it doesn't affect the team. People won't have that opinion, in my opinion it couldn't be further from the truth like so. For me it's got to keep happening until something happens because if you want to be good at anything or if you're going to get any results at anything you need to be consistent and we can't give our board or our football club, you know, abuse and tell them that they're terrible because they're inconsistent or they're reactive instead of proactive and not be that way ourselves. As a group of fans who are against what they've done for my whole life basically. Just gives a little bit of a background then to your part in this and the movement as a whole because obviously last year it was the 27 year campaign which had a decent start but then sort of petered out. There was a lot of things getting said on social media about who's in charge, how's it being run, why are people being left out. Why is it different this time and what are the objectives and aims of what you're trying to do? So a bit of context on me, I was invited into the 27 campaign, if you remember the protest about Pereira at the Dixie Dean statue and at that point I was on my amateur 42, my manager 42, like I was on there Twitter, obviously a follow out of everything and stuff. I come off Twitter personally years before that and when this Pereira was going to get the job, I was just like no way you can get the job and I was speaking to people and it's like where gone have you got to this job? And loads of people in agreement, obviously in the WhatsApp groups that I was in, everything groups and stuff like that, I was like we need to do something about this so I just knocked the PDF up of let's get to gooderson and show them that we don't want him, we don't want Cajar Absion because he was obviously the link. And I just thought even we got 200 people, spoke to a sky, spoke to a couple of people that I know, we knew people in the media and thought if we got up and there was a really good turnout, strategically planned to be in a place where it looked really good turnout, you know what I mean like you've got to. So then it kind of got me speaking to Katie, I spoke to them for years, we used to go on a coach together for years and obviously just say hi to them and then got me speaking to them a bit and he was like do you want to come into this campaign, your ideas, you like what your ideas are and I've been going and matching myself. I've had the season ticket now for more, I'm going to be 28 season tickets, I think I'm going to be in it next week. I've been going home in a way all my life, shows me how fella, I think there's about 13 or 14 season tickets in our family so people who go with the match, you know you see faces and you know who's going so he was like come in and see what you think so ended up going in now and we had a bit of success like you said at the start and then there was mistakes made by all the success. Maen nhw'n meddwl am yr hyn, nid yn gwneud ar gyfer, yna'r wneud hyn ar gyfer. Rwy'n ddodw i'r radd. Mae bale ddweud y gallu gawaith. Mae'r bach yn enw'n ddull i'r bwyl ifancau. Dwi'n dweud i chi'n ddweud o'r ffordd. Mae'n ddweud i chi fod y gallu. Mae'n ddweud i chi fod yma, mae'n ddweud i chi fod yw'r sgwybod. A wnaeth y gallu, mae'n meddwl y pwyl yn ôl, Ion Twitter. People had argued for them. I'm just like, I can't be bothered with this anymore. So I left. I said, good luck. I'm leaving. If you want any input from me, drop me a text. I still speak to Paul sometimes. Obviously, I kept in touch with Jeremy Hanna, Hans Tubbs, Hanna, and then I destroyed the brothers back for me. I went to Bournemouth away in the cup and I was coming home and knew that my bed was going out in the morning and it was two, three o'clock in the morning. I was up as soon as the baby got up.  I've had enough. So we started having conversations. Spoke to a cup of the lads off the brick. I went to Bournemouth on the brick. The lads from who we go to game with and they were like, yeah, something needs to be done. He should have went down Lampard, really. He still had the fans back in and to be honest, I back them still then because he was a nice fellow. At the end of the day, there's no room for sentiments, is there? And they just dawdled and waited and didn't interview anyone and sacked them when it was too late. Put it this way, they just sacked them in December, showing that I shouldn't be our manager, would they? I like the fact that he's our manager. You look at the form table now. He's doing an all right job on that and I think he will do eventually. I do think he'll get to, well, I hope he gets to a ceiling, which will again cost us more money because, but that's just us in a nutshell and obviously I own a few businesses myself and I kind of see things in business that, in evidence, I'm just like, what are these people getting advised? How are these? And I started looking into it like Denise. What's Denise's history and how she's the CEO of it? Probably what this year will be a quarter of a billion pound company or we was last year, last book. If we ever get them for this year, we'll probably be a little bit more with increased revenue but not what we should be increasing and when you look back at us as a club in the 90s, we were on a level peg and with probably, I think there was 18 teams that started in the Premier League, they're probably on a level peg and with 16 of them. Maybe Man United and Liverpool were a little bit elevated to us, maybe Arsenal and we were the third most successful team in the country and we just gone down and down and down and the FA Cup was, to be honest, it was luck when it, that we won the FA Cup. We grafted and we had dogs of war and all. We were in the middle of a relegation battle when he took over. So you take that out of it. We've been terrible for 30 years haven't we? And it gets to a point where someone's got to take the flack for that and I've seen things in the past about Cymraeit and Cymraeit out and Cymraeit this and I want them gone. I do want them gone but I want the clubs to just start again, even the fan base. I've seen a tweet last night about, we need to get rid of that evident now. People say, that's just, like I've just said before, we've become a product of our football clubs environment and I was speaking about sponsorship before seeing rumours about this MSP taking over and they're saying that they're going to be coming in and wipe the debt and I believe it when I see it, whatever. But we've got no ambition to get a decent sponsor. We have to go back and go back on our way to get a sponsor, whether you agree with it or not. So how are we going to have ambition on the pitch? We're not and until something changes, I was on another pod the other week and said that one of the main things in business for me is people say shit rolls down now or blame rolls uphill but it doesn't have everything and it never has. Not once have you ever had someone at everything and an executive level come out and say we got that wrong. Sorry, Masheedy come out and said we got it wrong but because you told us to, you told us to go. Lampard or no one did tell them to get a lampard. So it's something's got to give and for me it's the perfect time for that to happen because of where we are as a club and where we are with the owner and don't get me wrong, I'd love him to sell to me. That's not going to happen is it? So I think if we can push them to get rid of the board then we'll be looking back on this in ten years time as a fan base and go, thank God we did that, hopefully. I think you're absolutely right. I think something's got to give. I think you mentioned last season at the end of the season but even at this point last season the fans actively made the decision and a lot of the people you spoke about there were actively part in that. A lot of people that I see when I've been to the marches are the same people who help them with the coach welcomes and who Frank Lampard met and this is something that always makes me laugh because when you hear people talk about things like stopping the coach, sorry stopping the marches and getting people in the ground, I often think well what about the other 35,000 people, what are they doing to help them and I don't mean being at the marches, I mean why is it the same people who are asked to go back to the wel again and again and again, the people who go to all the away games, the people who do the coaches, the people who did the bus welcome last season, now they're doing the marches, why is it up to them to not do a march and get into the ground daily, why aren't the other 35,000 set an example and saying no you people outside you're doing the march, we're waiting inside the ground trying to get the atmosphere going and that's where I often, this whole thing makes me laugh about it's always your fault, the people who got up 27 minutes against Arsenal, your fault, it's like the blame is put in the wrong place and you're saying there, when is the blame going to be attributed to the people who got us here, when is it going to be attributed to the board and the owner and those kind of people and I find it just really fascinating that it's the same people who have to do this all the time and because as you mentioned there, I went to a meeting that you spoke at really well and the list of things you can attribute to the board and Fard Masheri, it's incredible isn't it? It is incredible and do you know what, it's astounding, some of my best mates have read and they've seen the stuff that I've done podcast wise and why they're watching everything podcast, how have you stood for it, they got Hicks and Gillette House, they all go on about that, we got Hicks and Gillette House and we're not far off that position, we've got a spade in the ground haven't we, we've got much steel in the ground but we're not really that far off financially, we're not far off financially meltdown from what I've seen, the fact that they've asked for an extension on the books because the shareholders haven't had them so, they must have asked for an extension which can be common, I've just asked for one myself on my books which are millions and hundreds of millions of pounds less than theirs so I understand but that's not why they've asked for an extension, they've asked for an extension because the petrified are putting them out there and being ripped apart and the finger being pointed at them again because it's just another nail in the coffin for them but it's like you say about the other people in the ground, one thing for me, why we had the meeting and we're going to probably have another meeting, I'm just waiting on an answer to the International Weekend which people said they'd be interested in doing another one is the fact that if you bring people in to, whether it's a campaign or whatever, I don't like calling a campaign or a movement then one of the ideas might be great and your ideas might get, you know, Baz on side, my ideas might get my mates on side and a lot of the time it is easier for people to get when you can identify with someone but I'm just, I'm a normal person but someone who's an accountant or a solicitor might come in and go I've got these ideas and the way they put it will get in to other people and it's just, it's making it a movement of the whole fan base and it can say about the people in the ground, what are they doing? People always, I just mute people on Twitter and they start giving you, but you know, sometimes I'll have a read of it and I mute them or whatever but they always say, well what about this or what about that and I say what about coming to the meeting and raising it? I must have said it to 20, 30 people on the lead-up to the meeting and none of them come, if I was in their shoes I'd like to think that in that position I'd come and go to me, whatever this is to me, Twitter handle, what about this? But no, they do it to try and wind you up to get a thing off you and to get a reaction off you and then you've lost that haven't you, really, so on Twitter terms anyway so there is thousands of people in that ground, I know for a fact I'd go as far to say that there's 95% of that ground who are unhappy with the position we're in, 100% of the ground are unhappy that we're in a relegation battle. Yeah of course, and that's all it comes down to isn't it? I have been involved in these things for years and years and the perception is obviously a big thing on these things and how people perceive them from the outside and to think that people are just trouble causes and are doing it for their own ends or whatever, you don't speak for me and all that but there has to be a tipping point doesn't it, there has to be and every single person will have their own tipping point where they've seen it, I grew up listening to the lies and thinking that they were true, I grew up, I was growing up and when we were getting balloted to move to the King's Dock and then obviously Caby, and the way Bill Kenwright told us about Gwldersham Park, I believed it, I was one of those people we all, that's why I don't try and get in people's faces about it because I understand people out there will, they don't take things like everybody else, they'll see something on Twitter now and go it's a lie because they're seeing it on Twitter or on the internet, I don't move into Caby was the only thing we had and thankfully there were people like Dave Kelly around and Robbie who fought it because they knew better, they'd been involved they were more experienced in trade unions and stuff whereas I was like, that fellow just told me Gwldersham Park's falling down, we have to go the building's on fire, we have to go and thankfully there was a few adults and I think that's why I don't always, sometimes I do but you don't want to jump in two feet on people you want to give them their own chance but it is giving them that information isn't it and trying to provide them that information and saying, it's a big list, it's a list and sometimes people don't know what we see, it's a list because everyone portrays people like Bill Kenwright as the saviour, as Everton Football Club and people like he done this and he done that if it wasn't for him we wouldn't have done this and it's like, yeah but if we hadn't had them we would have done a lot more maybe if Peter Johnson, people like Peter Johnson but he won as a trophy and he built as a stand so you know I know it wasn't great under him but you know Paul Gregwood's stage it's like being loads of sliding doors where Bill Kenwright has had that he's had that because he's got that presence and clearly you know people do think he's a fantastic player you know I've never met him, I've never been his prince but I can understand he's got a saying charisma about him, he's a blue, a lifelong blue and he gets saying people around him you know I've had to re-morgage your house you haven't had to re-morgage your house mate sorry you can't re-morgage your house to save the football club but he's done that for years and years and people have bought into it and we are where we are now because of a lot of that and I suppose it's about changing that narrative isn't it and getting across to pure facts of where we are and how we got here I think why that stuff failed one is the internet wasn't what it is now and obviously there wasn't podcasts and fan channels that wasn't Twitter accounts with thousands and thousands of followers that's a big issue which played into not only his hands but say like politicians hands as well and then obviously there was the issue of him making his lies or whatever he was they've been proven to be lies so they've just gone and fans just like make them as a joke now and it's funny and that's our fan base you know what that's a really good point though because a lot of it does come down to that thing like you've just said that event and that thing of like well what you'd expect it's event now you get that thing of you say well why can't we do it this way and people will just say well you can't because it's event you can't change it but you can't you can't change anything any day you want you can you can change the way you do things any day you want you can change it one person at a time don't you what you were saying last week about if this investment comes in and there's new people on the board someone said would you stop and I was like well if you bring a new chairman in then you need to like if you bring a new managing you've got to give them time regardless of the situation of the club so if you bring a new chairman he's probably going to need more time if you bring a new CEO in they're going to need time so just on that point then I'll take it back to maybe something slightly different there is the managerial situation you always give them time but would you look at it almost like you know when anyone goes on strike say and then whoever's on strike with the government or whatever they'll bring them back to the table so they'll suspend the strikes would you be prepared to say because obviously this is going to happen for the rest of the season aren't either marches as it stands every home game is going to be a march isn't it it's open now well no no but as it stands isn't it that's the plan isn't it that's the consistency so if MSP does come in are you going to be prepared to stand down almost in that come to the I know it's not going to be you're not actually going to go to the table with them but what I mean is are you going to be prepared to say because we've come back because we've come these have come in we're prepared to just stand down and see what happens because I think one of the big failings of the 27 campaign was I said it at the time and I've said this to Paul the ask is when when everton when brands left everton ahead of the Arsenal game that walk out for me should have been stood down because I think and I'm not saying the club would listen to the fans but for me that should have been a sign of goodwill on both sides someone's left the club we've listened to here because the message you'd already been put out there by the fans it was a brilliant message we're going to do this walk out and what happened afterwards was because the walk out didn't seem like a massive thing people then went there's no one involved and no one's actually bothered you're the massive minority and that's where this is where media and things get brought in can make things look different from what they are well it's similar to when the walk out happened sorry the march happened before the Leeds game everton went and a few people who quite clearly haven't got the message stayed behind afterwards luckily the media didn't make a big thing of that but they could have, they could have gone look everton fans used to have won, you're not bothered whereas the message wasn't really going to be a sit in after Leeds anyway but so that's why I think that's why I think it's interesting if would you be prepared to sort of stand down if MSP do come in? I said at the time when Masheery Boaters he can't be an idiot, he's a billionaire and he's proved massively wrong do you know what I mean but MSP come in then regardless of what we do or say they're going to come in and they're going to make them changes if they've waft the salts and the waft being an investor which they obviously they're on a couple of other boards aren't they sports wise then they're not going to rip it up and start again they will slowly change things and they'll say right and if Ken Wright goes I think he'll go because on health terms to be honest whether that's the reason why he goes but he's nearly 87 so if they come in and say right you're 77 you're the chairman of a company we've just invested 100 million quidl whatever it is they're investing they're going to be like you're not fifth of purpose are you really so I think he will go if he doesn't go there'll be a lot of people who want to keep protesting because they've got an agenda against him I haven't got an agenda against Ken Wright it's not impersonal he's not fifth of purpose, he's not good enough if he was a right back it'd be the same I've always said this the same with Denise she done really well charity that was cash rich anyone could do well out of charity that's cash rich so if that's what you're good at stick to what you're good at if she needs to stay here and be the everything in the community chair woman or whatever then go and do that that's fine I've got no issue with it sharp it's not even worth discussing he's just on the board, Steve Bull's on Wool's board and I love him still so he could turn that round sharp I hope he does listen we don't he's a hero he's a legend he should be looked as a legend and what's happened in the last year or so and for some people it doesn't make a difference it makes a difference for me I'm too young for sure I was born in 1989 but my old fella loves him I've been to loads of dinners where he's been there and he'll hang off everywhere I've seen what he's said in the past and I'm just kind of like he's a legend for me that makes it even worse he's a legend for my dad's generation it doesn't really bother me but seeing somebody I think is like your dad's you don't want to ever see you grow up you're that mum or daddy hero you don't want to see them ever let down by anybody that they love so for me that's even worse that he might be my dad's hero I'd expect him to stay on the board to be honest because they do need to say about a fan on the board people say about a fan on the board I don't think it'll ever happen but I don't think it's a good idea to have someone on the board who's just on there to be a fan because you'll get people in their ears you need someone who's a fan but who's experienced at being on the board or someone who's do you know there's people who've owned and people who've got cameras who's on the board who's an Evertonian so that didn't work but someone on there with sharp or as a fan who can say right yeah but this is what Everton about they say we kept Duncan Fergs not to show these new managers what we're about I half get it but surely that's down to us to do that because it's us we've made Everton about that on our families over the years haven't we just on that point then I mean something I've mentioned a couple of times on the channel and I think Sean Dice has obviously mentioned about wanting to learn more about what the situation is for me my opinion, my personal opinion is Sean Dice should sit down with a couple of yous the same way that Frank Lambert sat down a couple last year with a couple of a few more when everyone was going great and it was blue skies and blue smoke and everything else I think Sean Dice should take an hour of his day just to sit down with people and go what's the issues not sort anything out just hear what the issues are why you know and maybe I don't know we've obviously got a situation where we haven't got the bus welcome and stuff no issue with that I don't think right now we should be making cup finals out of these games because I think to be honest I think the players are built I think that could come later on but I do think it's important for the manager to understand, to speak to some fans because he seems like the kind of fella who would get it he's media savvy in his own way so it's being an ever manager and you need to say certain things to get the fans onside don't you or you need to do a big tech after five minutes it's basics for us as a team anyway it's basics to be able to get us on or the referee gets us on our seat mode and the players that says a lot about our players though the amount of times where the referees give a fell or freeing a row and then that's it everyone's up and the game changes and then the team change Dice could do that very easily and the differences have been decent and he has said certain things which maybe if he does want to know more surely someone in a football club wouldn't say this is where we're going wrong and this is where they pissed off they've never gone to because that's just not the way the football club runs it's just not there doesn't seem to be an ability to do that but personally I don't even think there should be any bells and whistles about it I think Shaun Dice should meet a few of yous privately and just give a chat and don't even publicise it don't put it out there, doesn't make it strong and dance because that's what the club would love that the club that's why the Frankland party was a big thing last season because the club loved it and they put it out there put smiles on everyone's faces I think it should be a private conversation where it's just like tell me what's going on tell me why you're doing what you're doing and ultimately he's still an employee but he'll have a better idea of why fans feel the way they do because I noticed in the first press conference when he said a couple of things and I didn't like them at all and Alan Stubbs actually picked up on it when he did the BT game for the Arsenal game and he was saying like why is he he's sort of questioning the fans in the first press conference so who's told them that and I think it'd be nice if he got a chance to hear from a couple of fans of why they feel the way they do because obviously it's a big story and where there's 2,000 to 3,200 people doing the march the media are on this now but you'll have to have seen yesterday the stories in national newspapers about the reasons why he's not prepared to sell now whether any of it's real or unreal and there will be nuggets of truth in there the media are going to keep going and going and going because they know now they've got a story and they're just going to keep pulling that thread till something does happen January is the transfer window it was quite quiet February is dead so everything was big news well everything's protests are big news you're probably going to stay in there because it's still a massive club to Sky or to whoever and the fans are kicking off and it's going to stay on the news and at the end of the season it's Champions League spots it's league titles and relegations so it's kind of coincided nicely with the media's programme so to speak or the timetables and great but it's sort of not needs to stay in the media but it also I don't think the media like the NSI now try and target the media and try and get stories in through people that they know and stuff it's great and Paul does a bit of writing for an Irish paper I think is the Sentinel or something like that and they're always great pieces and stuff but how many Evertonians read that and is that going to change Evertonians to is Mishiri going to read that or is someone going to pick Mishiri and go there's 3,000 people outside the library building so that's what's going to scare them so that's what's going to make a decision or these new people who come in are going to keep seeing it and keep seeing numbers because numbers are everything aren't they I always that first one against Arsenal I was like we've picked this route because it's a simple route a lot of people walk up that road and if we can get them over but the noise was loud way in it and it was the videos that picture from above was brilliant we tried to get a fellow of those drones to come to them but something to do with you to do with a certain times and I don't know all that but it's what it looks like a lot of the time and it looks brilliant and it has looked brilliant but it will dwindle off so the biggest thing for me which could be impossible is incorporating into people's routines like I said this in the meeting like my routine used to be I'm out for 10 o'clock or I'm out for 12 o'clock and I'll go to where the spoons have a pint to get the train or whatever and that's the routine other people's routines are different so we need to try and incorporate a march someone mentioned dropping me a message on Twitter and said about why don't you get groups of people at each booze around the ground and march from them boozes to a central point which is probably the park end and do that and then it's people incorporating people's routines I'm out for that the logistics of it, I don't know if it's possible or if there's only 20 people outside the pub I'll be honest from what I've seen so far and I've been on all three marches the roof from the oak to the main reception is the best thing for me it's just getting people to join in and I've marched and I've got no problems I'm part of being involved in the march because I want myself to be a number I just feel other people who agree who are there I would like to think they could give 15 minutes a day time because that's all it is there's plenty of people who don't agree with it get yourself in the ground and start building the atmosphere then for the game for me it's appealing to those people who are standing there filming it get involved as far as I'm concerned because the reason I do is to time make heaven a better seat that's all I care about I don't care about the players I don't care about who the manager is I really don't all that I'm done with all that I have a saying coldness about me when it comes to these people because I've got to say the nice things or horrible things about them weekly so all I care about is the club and everything being better and just having everything to do opposite a club like Beninford without doing that stupid meme this is heaven football club surely there's fans out there who believe the same way or believe about the football club believe they want a better heaven football club I think it's hard 44 you've got 10 years on me it's hard for people who are my age to have that way of thinking about heaven and spoke to my dad and my dad was like I was like we should have won I would have took up points if you can guarantee me we're going to beat Beninford at all and my dad was like nottingham forest go to nottingham forest and we beat with everything and I'm like oh it's great you saying that because you've been to Rotterdam you've seen us win league titles and FA Cups I went to the charity shield I didn't mean great and I've been to a cup final they haven't done to me they haven't done that to you and that's down to me and what you would say when the march is on there isn't one overwhelming demographic there is that it's people of all ages and therefore there is that mix amongst them but surely there must be people who've seen heaven in the 80s who feel once you get a bit of success it was 30 years ago but once you've had that and you remember them days surely that's going to make you more inclined whereas I've never had it and my dad tells me about it my uncles tell me about it older lads will go to game with tell me about it and it wrecks my head every time every time I sign a player from a club and oh yeah we signed someone from Burnley and we've signed someone from Burnley and he's going to be the new Trevor Steven or I'm just like you know what I mean he's going to be to me a new Novalente that's it isn't it it's just about getting some faith in your football club to do the right thing and do it the right way I thought last season I'll be honest the coach welcomed the first one I was mortified I was like this isn't heaven people mentioned about it in the 27 campaign about getting scarfs and few people mentioned it now about a certain colour of scarf as a visual protest and as far as I'm concerned scarfs relate to them for me growing up but then Sarah one of the girls who was in it was like no no look at this and show me everything with a first everything with a first everyone used to wear scarfs all the time we did everything first and I was like wow I didn't know that it's never happened for whatever reason but I'm just like the way we are as a fan base I used to dismiss things because you've got to be educated and you can take a horse to water you can't make it you think but if you put the information in front of people's eyes eventually it'll turn and hopefully that's what's happening mention about flyers and stuff like that it's basic but that's the way things used to get done and I think that's the generation we're missing because your generation, my generation are pissed off but they're on social media a lot of the time they get it rammed down so it's basically you need to accept it or not you spoke about social media before social media can be used for massive good but we've also seen it can be used for massive deceit, we've seen that in the last ten years in politics the amount of bots that get onto me about things now I've seen things that Gary Lennon has done about things and you go in the comments and you see the amount of bots and there's so much out there there's so many people out there there's so many fake accounts out there loads of it and I think that's a big part of it how do you break through how do you get to each person's medium is it a fanzine is it a video like this is it a younger podcast is it whatever people listen to it you've got to get on it and get your point across and be able to just appeal to that one person who's listening because no one's sitting there you're not here as the head of anything you're just there doing your bit as far as you're concerned you spoke about before a Gullison a Gullison that night it was so impactful because it was like it happened without any anything behind it it wasn't a 27 campaign it was just Evertonians who were concerned who all got together and I think that's all I would say and it's something I reiterate all the time is that if you feel passionate about this be a good, be a good, be a good a clock on strategy and walk up that road like you would any other time just walk up the road when you get to the road or go in the ground of a bevy and start the atmosphere going for me that was one thing we tried to push into a club last season is deals in the ground and pushing things like that that's gone out the window completely with the club but far as I'm saying I've pissed up Gullison it's the best Gullison there to be so why can't people incorporate that and go right we'll do this, we'll get in the ground for 20 past and we'll have two pints in the ground and that'll generate a better atmosphere better numbers on the way up and then everyone's a winner aren't they and hopefully we get three points and it's great and people are like that was all right that few of my mates who I'd never expect to come so any of the marchers come in and go do you know what, it's my routine it's changed and I actually enjoyed it I've actually been to everyone and I'll have a quick one on a whimslow and then I go in, we're all in the top balcony and by the time I've got to me C to 5 to 2 do you know I've had four pints that I wouldn't have normally had anyway so everyone's a winner I don't have a routine I got out the house a little bit earlier now to make sure I'm down there for the march but for me because of Gullison I don't drink so all that sort of things doesn't matter to me to me Gullison I can't wait I can't wait to move I'm counting the days, I watch every video on the ground because I can't wait to move because to me there's not enough appeals to me around Gullison because I don't drink and when you do get in the ground it's dead sometimes they don't even have games on that but the arts are going to me was like a perfect day to me got there there's a bit of fan movement representing the fans themselves because we're the most important thing no matter what anyone says we're not a club that can exist without its local fan base even though I appreciate all in the fan base we just simply can't exist without our fan base so it was great to have a little bit of that get in the ground see a team, respond give us something to give back great atmosphere when we were in the game which no one is expecting to me that was a perfect day that's what people say about every time we get beat so we draw, we're down, we're down, we're down I just feel like that's everything if we're going to win we're going to beat Chelsea but we're going to get beat by Bramford that's what we've done well to be honest that's what we've turned ourselves into you don't want to go to Goodison but if you were going to pick a team to play at home that's where we are at the moment and again that is manufactured out of failure from top to bottom no it is, you're absolutely right because some of the things you've just said there and some of the things you said there they are byproducts that we've created as a fan base we say it all the time, the people's club we go the game, all this kind of stuff local fans, we go to we've created these things as badges of honour because originally the club and whoever they dealt with realised that's how they pulled this in to make it so we're not it isn't cop IPAV, cop IPAV is winning trophies don't care what anyone says, it's winning trophies that's what we used to aspire to then suddenly we stopped aspiring to that and we started to aspire to making sure they didn't win the league and making sure we were having parties if someone beat them in the Cup final someone beat them to the league and that become our triumph somewhere down the line that came our thing because the people who run our football club have managed the chairman of our football club right now destroyed our ambitions and there's no other way to look at it as far as I'm concerned and the faster we get these people out of our football club that's the only way that's the only opportunity to change it and due to his age it'll be a deck of cards obviously if he goes, Denise goes, Ingle's will probably go sharp or take it, I don't know but due to his age it's gone and happened so why doesn't he only use his brain and go right I think he's on side here and maybe a little bit on side and get rid of the camera right would you get rid of the camera right now? right now I wouldn't I would have got rid of him day one and been like right look at anyone who's been successful and take over but I wouldn't have because he's a buffer for me he's a buffer sometimes you've got to put your hands up and go I've got something wrong here and I don't care if you're a billionaire and you're egos as big as this room you've got to look at yourself in the mirror and go I've got this wrong and it's me they're having terrible weekends they're watching the enemies win trophies and wear crap but I've lost 700 million quid here so surely comes a line in the sand he's only worth 1.4 billion the gambler doesn't go I've lost 700 million or whatever I've lost in the casino I'm going home they say I'm going to win that back and that to me is what these people do they say now I want to win that back no and that's why we haven't been sold and that's why he still has these people in charge because he really thinks that his hand is going to turn it round rather than saying I've failed it's I'm going to turn this round and I think that's what keeps Bill Kenwright at the football club as well I will show these people because it's clear this day to me that he still thinks he's the best man to run this football club and Mishiri still thinks he's the best man to run this football club I don't think Mishiri thinks anymore how he thought when Kenwrights obviously sold them a dream I'll do this for you I'll do that for you I don't think Mishiri thinks that about Kenwrights anymore because if you look at the conflicting messages that are coming out they've always been battling each other you can see that they're battling each other now and I think that now is a position where if these come in that's the perfect MSP coming that's the time to go bang and then they might become as buffer than and if they get it right he's the hero not MSP that's what I'm saying I think there's always been that internal conflict between them we know that for a fact Mishiri goes to talk sport Bill runs to his people it's been clear this day for years and this is the other thing we're not stupid the people who work at the club are fighting fires Mishiri on one side and Bill on the other and of course you can add a third unseen person into that that we're not allowed to talk about because it's not on paper and everyone on football laughs about it everyone on football is the owner they go which one but this is a common theme now isn't it look at the situation we're in now look at the situation we're in under Kenwright who's the owner the mid to the late part of the early 2000s we had another covert owner that a lot of people know about we're not allowed to mention them normal people aren't but politicians are legally we can't sit in a circle about them but politicians can and they have mentioned them loads of times the same way they've mentioned the fella on the boat now and the same way the other fella that used to own Topshop there you go we never mentioned his name so two o'clock on Saturday two o'clock Saturday and just it's a good atmosphere in it and do you know what, the kids one I thought was brilliant it's good for kids it's good to bring them and the kids were starting the songs and that which was great that was their little thing you're going to have to just get I don't like saying have a hymship but you're going to have to make sure we've got those songs all the way up the road but all you people have to do is just walk walk and sing songs all the way up and that's it, it's going on a match isn't it which yeah exactly and then you've got to carry that obviously you do that, you've felt it the first one out but you've just done my spanner but then you get into the ground have a sing song outside of that actors box because they can hear it well they can't because it's not there but like the people who will tell them can hear it and then you get you probably squeeze a pint and do what you need to do get in the ground and we've just got to back them everyone hates certain players and even when we were good in the 80s the best players you've got but the football club put them there it's all about the football club just before we finished you mentioned the possibility of having a meeting during the international break is that something that's showed up or is that something people should look out for I'm just waiting on an answer on the venue and we'll get it out the same way as we did the other one so where should people be looking for that information then there will be people everyone's twitter there's a group of people who are in like a whatsapp group which you've no one can comment on a whatsapp group so it'll just be all over twitter hashtag all together now when we do a multi-tweet so everyone say tweet that at five o'clock everyone tweet to the five so we got a maximum so everyone will see that and then it'll go out and we'll go from there hoping I'll have an answer before I speak any other journalists over the next set of plans and hopefully we can get it in in some of the papers or online so there you go sat i ahead at the brinford game two o'clock at the oak and if you're on your own in your little bit I don't know anyone here come find me, I don't care I'll have a chat to me watch the show come and have a chat there'll be people there I guarantee get involved, get involved there's not another than just walking up to the ground so big thanks to Chris for coming in for telling us all about what's going on and hopefully I'll see you at the oak at two o'clock on sat i, thanks for watching, see you later


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Hi everyone Sean with jaspyscasebrakes.com here doing 2019-20 Illusions basketball fat pack break number one We're at the end. We're gonna randomize and give away Eight spots in the upcoming 17-18 optic blaster 10 box break half case coming up after this So first the break itself. Here's a list of customers from Robert Ives Down to Christopher Slaughter in a bunch of last spot mojo spots and the teams from the Atlanta Hawks Down to Washington Wizards dice roll first for the break itself one and three four times one two three and four From Chris down to Robert and now four times on the teams one two three and fourth and final time Dallas Mavericks down to Washington Wizards. Cool We're not gonna go through every single one of the names, but we'll get it all on video no trade window since it's just a filler break, but Here we go. So let's see like Memphis Grizzlies chance for John Morant Christopher Slaughter where are the pelicans Somewhere on here. Why don't I see them? There it is Martin Klaus chances for them. That is true You want to get into the break? So here's the pack itself and right behind that that big box right there is a fresh case of 17-18 optic blasters What we're gonna be doing after this Do half of them at least here's the finalists living legends acetate Steve Nash going to the Phoenix Suns Christopher Slaughter You got a Dennis Schroeder Orange it's not numbered, but it is an orange parallel Which goes to the Oklahoma City Thunder Christopher Slaughter? Nas read rookie Minnesota Timberwolves Robert Ives Taco fall rookie Boston Celtics Martin Faust and Isaiah Roby rookie for the Oklahoma City Thunder and Christopher Slaughter So that's the break itself, but Let's give away some spots eight to be exact Let's go back over to the randomizer So like we said Top eight names will end each win a team in the 17-18 optic blaster 10 box break So here's the list Robert back down to Chris New dice roll and top eight names Five and a three eight times. Good luck guys one two three four five six seven and eights and final time To spots nine through 30. Thank you very much for getting in on this and Hopefully I can do better for you next time, but congratulations to Christopher Slaughter Raymond de Jesus Christopher Slaughter Christopher Slaughter Robert Ives Robert Ives Martin Klaus and Christopher Slaughter so You eight now have spots in that break coming up next That was 2019 20 illusions basketball fat pack break random team number number one To fill up the 17-18 optic blaster break coming up next. I'm Sean. Jasper's case breaks calm And we'll see you next time


Live from San Francisco, celebrating 10 years of high-tech coverage, it's theCUBE. Covering VMworld 2019. Brought to you by VMware and its ecosystem partners. Hello, welcome back everyone to theCUBE's live coverage of VMworld 2019. I'm John Furrier with my co-host Dave Vellante. Dave, 10 years covering theCUBE. We were at Moscone in 2010. Boy, a lot's changed, but it's still the platform that Paul Maritz laid out, with the stuff filling in 10 years later. Joking, he called it software mainframe and then Robin came in and said, you can't call it mainframe. And we have leaders from VMware's largest business unit, the cloud platform business unit, Kit Colbert to CTO, and Chris Prasad's SVP and general manager. Guys, thanks for coming on theCUBE. Appreciate it. Yeah, thanks for having us. So worlds, your business unit is smoking hot, it's very popular, like you were running around doing meetings, cloud platform is the software model that's 10 years later actually happening at scale. Congratulations. What's the big news? What's the big conversation for you guys? Yeah, the biggest news this week is the announcement of project specific. And it's about taking the platform which has hundreds of thousands of customers on it and bringing together Kubernetes which is now very popular with the developers and that platform together so that operators on the one hand can just deal with the platform they love and the developers can deal with the Kubernetes layer that they love. It's interesting to watch because you know, the whole end user computing stack that was laid out 10 years ago is actually happening now at SAS, let's see SAS business models, we all see the tap on the Amazon, the success of cloud. But it's interesting to see Kubernetes which we've been following since the report started to open stack days. You saw that emerge and everyone kind of saw that and it really became a nice layer that the industry just created as a de facto and you guys are actually driving that more forward so congratulations on that. But sitting it natively in vSphere is interesting because you guys have to spend a ton of time, this is a core product for you guys. So you're bringing something native into vSphere, I'm sure there's a lot of debates internally on how to do that, kid, what's the relevance for it? Because you guys have a lot of efficiencies in vSphere but bringing in Kubernetes is going to give you some new things. So the thinking is really, as Chris was mentioning, how do we take this proven platform and move it forward? Customers have moved millions of workloads on top of vSphere, operating them in production with production grade capabilities. And so they've been able to be very successful in that and so the question is, how do we help them move forward into Kubernetes? You know, as you mentioned, Kubernetes is still fairly young. The ecosystem around it, it's still somewhat immature, still growing, right? And it's a very different environment than what folks are used to who use vSphere. And so there's a big challenge that customers have around managing multiple environments, all the training that's different, all the tools that are different. So if we can actually take their investments they've already made into vSphere, leverage and extend those into the Kubernetes world, that's really powerful. And it'll help our customers take all these millions of workloads and move them forward. It's interesting because we was always speculating about VMware, I was talking to Jerry Chen when he was on yesterday. He's been at VMware since the early days, as you know. But looking at VMware when they went to there, you guys went back to your core, when vCloud Air kind of went its way and then the deal with Amazon since the stock price has been going great, so great shareholder, stakeholder value there. But you've got clarity around what cloud was. And as you look at the operator, target audience, you guys have the operators. And the dev and ops is critical. So you guys have been operating a lot of workloads. And I think this is fascinating. So the role of containers is super relevant because you've got VMs and containers. So again, the debate continues. Well, I think containers, VMware and it's interesting because Kubernetes is orchestrating all that. Well, the Snarky Tweet the other day, and you guys feel free to comment, was, oh, I thought we launched Pivotal so we didn't have to run containers on virtual machines.  Yeah, I mean, it's a debate that we hear pop up and the Snarky Twitter feeds and so forth. When we talk to customers about it, this whole VM versus container debate, I think really misses the point because it's not really about that. What it's about is how do I actually operate these workloads in production, right? There's kind of this three pillars we talk about build, run, manage. Customers want to accelerate that. They want to do that with enterprise grade capabilities with security. And so that's where it really gets challenging. And I think we've built this amazing ecosystem around vSphere to achieve that. And so that's what we're taking forward here. And yes, the fact that we're using virtualization on the covers, that's an implementation detail almost. What's more valuable is all the stuff above that, the manageability, the operational capabilities. It seems to me to the business impact because okay, people are going to go to the cloud and they're going to build cloud native apps, but you've got all these incumbent companies that are trying not to get disrupted. They're trying to find new opportunities to play in offense and defense at the same time. They need tooling to be able to do that. They don't want to take their ERP app and stick it in the cloud, right? They want to modernize it. And you're not going to build that overnight in the cloud anyway, so they need help. That's the key move that we made here. If you think about it, customers don't have Kubernetes experts today. And most of them in their journey to the modern apps, they are saying, hey, we need to set up two stacks at least. We have our VMware stack that we love and now Kubernetes, our developers love, so we have to stand that up. And they don't have any in-house experts to do that. And with this one move, we have actually collapsed it back to one stack. Yeah, I think it's a brilliant move actually. It's brilliant because the dev ops ethos is proven. Everyone wants to be there. And the question is who's leading and who's lagging. So ops has traditionally lagged if you look at it from a developer standpoint. You guys have not been lagging on the operating side. We certainly have tons of VMs. Virtualization has been standardized. So it's unifying the two worlds together. And it really, as we've been calling it cloud 2.0, because if you look at what hybrid really is, it's cloud 2.0. Cloud 1.0 was dev ops, storage and compute. Amazon, if you're born in the cloud, we have no IT department, 50 plus people. Why would we ever, and developers are the operators. So we're small, but enterprise scale, it's not that easy. So I'd love to get your thoughts on how you guys would frame the cloud 2.0. Visa V, if cloud 1.0 is storage and compute and Amazon-like scale, what is cloud 2.0 to you? Yeah, well I think, so let's talk about the cloud journey. So I think that's what you're getting at here. So here's how we discuss it with customers. You are where you are today. You have your existing apps, a lot of them are monolithic, your slow to update, you know, so forth, right? And then you have sort of the cloud native Nirvana over here where like everything's re-architected, it's microservices.  But it doesn't run my business. Well, yeah. Well, this is where you want to get to, right? And I think the challenge, and the challenge is it's a huge amount of effort to get there, right? All the training we're talking about, all the tooling and all the changes there. And people tend to look at this as a very binary thing, right, that you're either here where you are or you're in the cloud native Nirvana. People don't often talk about what's in the middle and the fact that it's a spectrum. And I think what we see at VMware is like, let's meet customers where they are. You know, I think one of the big realizations we had is not everyone needs to get every single application on this far side over here. Some apps, your ERP system, whatever, you know, it's fine to get them a little bit of the way there. And so one of the things that we saw with VMware Cloud and AWS, for example, was that people, there was a pent up demand to move to the public cloud.  But with VMware Cloud and AWS, there's no modifications at all. You just literally vMotion it.  Now, without modifying the app, you can't get, you know, it's not like you have to suddenly better scalable, but you get other cloud beneficiary.  I can add host dynamically. I only pay for what I need. I can consume this as a service. And so we help to move their workloads a little bit in that middle of the spectrum there. And I think what we're doing with Project Pacific and Kubernetes is the same thing. I think I start taking advantage of these great Kubernetes capabilities for their existing apps without modification. So again, kind of moving them further in that middle spectrum. And then, you know, for the apps that really make a difference to their business, they can put in the extra effort to get all the way over there. And we saw that some evidence of some challenges of that shiny new trend within the Hadoop ecosystem. Big data objects to our, who doesn't love that concept, right? Yeah. MapReduce, but what happened was is that the infrastructure costs and the personnel human capital costs were so massive that, and then the cloud, cloud came along and said, I'll just go cloud. Well, there's also the other point about just the bespoke tooling that you're pointing out. The confusion. The process, technology, right? Then the disruptions we create, you know, to that, then the investments that it takes to transition over. And then you had a skills gap in terms of what people have to do, but so that brings us back to, so how do you address that problem? Because most of the audience out here are not developers. Yeah. Yeah, Pivotal has a developer's connection, so. This is one of the really cool things about Pacific, that what we've done with Pacific, when you look at it from an IT operations point of view, that person sees vSphere. It's the tool they already know and use, understand it well. When a developer looks at it, they see Kubernetes. And so there's these two different viewpoints. It's kind of like, you know, the blind men around the elephant, but the thing is it's actually, you know, a singular thing in the backend, right? Even though they have these two different views. And so the cool thing about it is we can actually bring IT ops and developers together that they can use their own language tools process, but there's a common thing that they're talking about, and they have common visibility into that. And that's super, super powerful. And when you look at it, all of a sudden what's happening on the Kubernetes side is fully visible on the vSphere side. So all these tools that already work against vSphere suddenly light up and support Kubernetes automatically. So again, without any work, we suddenly get so much more benefit. And the category busters that are going on too, you're changing, you're taking software approach that you guys know, and you're taking it to the software developer world. It's kind of changing the game. One of the things I want, Chris, I want to get your thoughts on Cloud 2.0, because you know, if compute and storage was Cloud 1.0, we're seeing networking and security and data becoming critical ingredients that are problem statement areas people are working on, certainly networking, you guys are in that. So as Cloud 2.0 is going to take into the fact that messy middle between, you know, I'm on here and then I want the nirvana. It's always the origination story and the outcomes end story is always great, but the messy, messy middle, as you were pointing out, is hard. So how do you guys find, look at the moves that we made in the market. Do you know about the Bitfusion acquisition that we made, right? Which happened like a month ago. And it was about preparing the platform for AI and ML workloads. So really what we are trying to do is really make sure that the vSphere platform is ready for the modern applications, right? AI, ML on one side, Kubernetes applications, you know, service oriented applications. All of them can land on the same platform. And more and more, whether it's AI, ML or other applications, they are being written on top of Kubernetes. That's infrastructure's code. Yeah, infrastructure's code, right? So enabling Kubernetes will help us land all the modern applications on top of the same platform that our customers are used to. So it's a huge kind of an inflection point in the industry from my standpoint. Well, to your earlier point, let me see how you talk to us. I want to get from point A to point B and I want to spend a billion dollars to get there. I want to have to hire some systems integrator and outsource to get me there. Show me how I get there without, you know, disrupting my business. How do we meet the customers where they're at, right? Like, the problem with this kind of either or model, either here or there, is that there's a huge opportunity cost. And again, a lot of people just need a little bit of goodness. They don't need the full crazy Nirvana goodness, right? And so we enable them to get that very easily in an automated way, right? If you're to spend any time refactoring or thinking through this app, that takes months or even a year or more. And so, you know, the speed that we can unleash here, the velocity for these customers is critical. Well, the benefit of that Nirvana is always taken out of context because people look at the outcome over iterations and saying, well, I want to be there, but it all starts on a very variable basis. In Shadow IT, we used to call it, but you can go into the cloud and do something really small and simple. And then, wow, this is much more efficient. I like this stack or this approach. That's ultimately how it gets there. So I got to get that point for infrastructure as code because this is what you're enabling in vSphere from when I see it. I want to get your guys reaction to this because the world used to be, and I asked Gelsinger this years ago and he kind of validated it because he's old school Intel. Infrastructure dictated to the applications what it could do, based on what it could do. Now, it's flipped upside down with cloud platform because platform implies enabling something, enabling platform, whatever you want to call it. The apps are dictating to the infrastructure. I need this. That's infrastructure as code. That's kind of what you're saying. Is that? Yeah, I mean, look, Kubernetes brought a paradigm which said, hey, I can declare what I want, right? And then the system will take care of it and maintain that state, right? Decide state execution is what it brought to the table. And the container based apps have already been working that way. What this announcement does with Project Pacific is that the VM applications that our customers built in the past, they are going to be able to take advantage of the same pattern, which is the infrastructure as code, declarative, and decide state execution. That's going to happen even for the old workloads that our customers are using. And they're going to still do VMs. I mean, they're scaled, they're going to have thousands of VMs are going away. But they'll operate the same paradigm. I mean, Paul Morris doesn't get enough credit for the comment he made in 2010 and he called it the hard and top. Do you really care what's underneath if it's working effectively? Well, I mean, I think the reality today is that even though containers that get a lot of coverage and attention, most workloads are being provisioned, new workloads even, are being provisioned in VMs, right? If you look at AWS, the public clouds, I mean, it's the EC2 or Google Compute Engine, those services, those VMs are the ones that are getting heavily used. And so the way we look at it is we want to support everything. And it's just, we want to give customers a bunch of tools in their toolbox and let's put and use the right tool for the right job, right? That's really the mentality. That's really cloud 2.0. Chris, I want to get your, I want to nail you down on the definition of a cloud 2.0. What is your version of cloud 2.0? You keep asking.  I'll get it out of there, come on. No, I think, look, we touched on all aspects of it. One is the infrastructure as code, allowing the consumer of the cloud to be able to dictate the environment in which the applications will operate, right? And the consumer is defining it or the developer is defining it in this case. That to me is the biggest shift that we have gone through in the 2.0 era. And we are just making our platform come to life to support that. We're taking a Cube survey and we're going to put it all together and we want the community to define it, not us. What is it, to explain to the audience what it means to be a project and how does a project get into an offering? You can describe that. I mean, so project Pacific is vSphere, right? I mean, this is a massive rethinking, re-architecture of vSphere. Like pretty much every major subsystem component within vSphere has been updated with this effort. What we're doing here is what we've technically announced is actually what we call a technical preview. So it's saying, hey, this is technology we're working on. We think it's really interesting. We want to share it with the public, get the public's feedback, figure out are we on the right direction or not. So we're not making any commitment to releasing it or any time frames yet. But so part of that needed a name, right? And so, because it is vSphere but it's a specific thing we're doing with vSphere. So that's where the project comes from. I think it also gives that, you know, this thing has been a huge effort internally, right? There's a lot of work that's gone into it. So, you know, it has some heft and deserves a name in itself. Yeah, it's DevOps 2.0 as you guys bring in.  Yep, for apps. Yeah, application tsunami. The one thing I would say is we wouldn't announce it as a project if it was not coming soon. I mean, we still are in the process of getting feedback. Yeah. You know, we'll tune it and whatnot but it's not something that is way out there. It is going to come soon. It's a clear direction. It's a statement you're putting investment into as coding going on. It's got a course correct, get some feedback and figure it out. I mean, it's pretty obvious. You can go, a lot of pain or easy. Yeah, it's an easy button for Kubernetes. Yeah, it is an easy button. Easy on-ramp to the future. I think it's a great move. Congratulations. We're obviously big fans of Kubernetes. So the guys last night having a little meeting with Marriott, thinking up the next battle plans for game plan for you guys. Yeah, we got a lot. This is just the tip of the iceberg. We got a lot of really, really cool stuff we're doing. We're going to be following the cloud platform and your progress. Certainly we're covering cloud 2.0, looking at these new categories that are emerging. Again, the end state is DevOps, programmability for applications. The CUBE coverage, 10th year, covering VMworld. We're in the lobby of Moscone in San Francisco. I'm John Furrier with Dave Vellante. Thanks for watching.


Aha What's up money gigs mr. V here welcome to another video guys so into this video I want to give you guys my swing picks for the week But before we get started guys, we're new to the channel We talk about how to earn money how to save money how to invest and build wealth So that's something that interests you go ahead and smash that like button and the notification bell So you don't miss out on new content. So again guys this week coming up There is some good Opportunities here for us to to get in some into some place that I've been looking at so first one on the list Here is Neo ticket symbol and I owe This is a stock that we've covered here on the channel and I've always given you guys Opportunities or tell you guys when to get into this particular one for transparency I do only old long-term that I bought a while back when they were still like under $10 So but this one is just a stream traded. I'm showing you guys here So this stock has actually I've been doing a lot of consolidation around that 54 to 56 price point And so if you ever wanted to jump into the stock This would be a good opportunity to get in and just hold it here to get from that 56 and would test 65 that would be a logical step for the stock and again At this particular point if you're swinging and you get into let's say at 54 between 54 and 56 dollars and you put a stop loss at say 53 in case they ever pulls back you get out But otherwise 54 to 56 good entry point then hold it there and ride this thing all the way to 6065 for some profit so again the one thing that I want to make sure that you guys know here is that Neo also just got a ton of shares bought by Black Rock so Black Rock actually bought shares of Neo about eight million shares of Neo I'm just again emphasizing that there are the strength of the company the fact that Institutional investors are continually buying more of the stock. So that's it number two here is clover health Investments so this one actually went through a really tough week this past week because the stock got Beat down like a cockroach because I'm now Hindenburg research actually put out a report About the company, you know, you know some things about no fishy Business deals in the company and so it brings up here. So this is it So the stock actually dropped 12% after that short report from Hindenburg research and we know Hindenburg research when they did their report on Nicola Modo mean that stock took a beating and never recovered the stock went This dog was treating at about $90 this thing Hindenburg research came out with a report That stock dropped and has dropped all the way down to under 20 and and just recovered and it's just been under 30 Ever since then so you got to take this guy serious, but after they put out this report Clover health actually came out to and and say hey, you know the Hindenburg group attack Was a desperate attempt to position itself as a white knight. So they're not backing off They're not I mean they're defending the position unlike Nicola Modo where they just kind of fold their tail and ran away These guys are actually backing and standing up for the company and the one thing that I saw really think that this is just Nothing burger in my personal opinion is because the people are behind this company Someone like Shamar who is a really good investor and I'm pretty sure he did his due diligence on this company And he has actually said that this company is one that has the opportunity to 10x So I mean and his pics have been really really good to us all the difference parts that he's actually taken Some of them public man the stocks are doing really really good So again, I still think that this is an abiding opportunity. So if we look at the chart here, we can see that this stock Let's just go back here week. So we can see this stock was sitting up here We're not $14 price point and then when that research came out You can see how the stock just collapsed all the way down to a low of of about 11,056 cents this would have been an excellent entry point if you could have caught it down here Man, that would have been awesome. But again to me between 30 11 and $13 That's not about entry point for the stock and then you can write this thing all the way to like 1617 or even 18 and if you push it we can test 20 because what we're saying is that most people would actually just react and start selling when you see a report like that Before doing their due diligence. So Again this sell turn around and do due diligence and realize that oh, it was a fake or the report This is really hold water and then they go out and stop buying back again. So definitely check this one out Clover health investment next is matter again guys. We've talked about matter here I did a video here what I told you guys that these two plays are gonna jump because when Bitcoin took that beating and came down all the way to $30,000 Mara and this other one here riot took the beating as well They dropped down to under $20 and I said guys if Bitcoin is consolidating around $30,000 these two plays are also gonna consolidate where they were currently trading at about $19 So if you have any opportunity to buy this would be it so Bitcoin is past week and went to as high as over $40,000 so again that when Bitcoin moves these two plays here do move Mara and riot move. So if Bitcoin continue to move I'm looking at Mara to go up to around that 27 28 price point and again from there It's just gonna depend if Bitcoin wants to go test 50 and then I would see Mara and I'll see Riot testing 30 and breaking that 30 price point. So don't be surprised because we've seen it It's already gone up to 28 90 for a high that was in January 4th So again if Bitcoin continues to make the move that Bitcoin is making Anticipate that these guys are gonna keep moving to it would surprise me if they break 30 You know, that would be a good payday for us. So last one on the list here is nano dimension This is another great company that really does learn nano tech Fabrication so this one I'm looking at this company to consolidate and then make a move if we see Steadily the past month the stock has actually been climbing up and as a high of $16 and 78 cents before pulling back and then see we see it's just like sitting here So if we can catch this one at about that $13 price point and then ride this one all the way to 20 Because this stock I don't think it's coming back again It's unless something's drastic happens this stock is on its way up So we catch it at $13 price point and then slowly ride it up all the way to $20. That would be Excellent. So guys those are the stocks that I'm actually Watching this list again. Just a quick recap here. I'm talking about Neo ticker symbol and I oh, I'm talking about clover health ticket symbol is C L O V I'm talking about Mara ticker symbol is m a r a little about raya ticker symbol is our Iot and finally we're talking about nano dimension ticker symbol is and and dm for this week So let me know in the comment section if we do have any questions again guys.  So start by averaging your way into the stock Don't just jump all in from day one if you have again the opportunity to buy 10,000 shares again, that's just a hypothetical number start with 200 300 and see the direction that the stock is moving and then average your way if it's going down You average your way down as likewise if it's going up you can average your way up as well So definitely make sure that you're buying the stocks with some smarts not just jump in there So again, let me know in the comment section And if you get in here for a swing trade guys put a stop loss and say hey if I buy nano dimension at $13 I'm willing to cut my losses at say $12 and 50 cents or say at $12 But again, you want to find that good opportunity where the stock and bounds a little bit before You don't want it to just kick it off and then and then you squeeze You want to give some breathing room there so that it can it can bounce and then squeeze why you're still in the trade And it doesn't kick you out. 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that's why he's saying, you know, there may be some kind of a UFO event at the end of 26 or 20. He rarely does this. The only other two times I can just pull off the top of my head is I know that in 1998, and it's on one of the recordings we have, that he said that before the end of 2001, New York would be hit by a terrorist attack. And he also said that in 2016, you know, before 2016, he said that after 2016, everything would change politically, which obviously it has quite a bit. So the fact that he's actually saying there may be this UFO incident of some sort at the end of 26 or 27, he usually doesn't do that unless he feels there's so much energy behind it that it's unlikely to change. That doesn't mean it's impossible to shift. But he feels it's unlikely to change. So we'll see.