Okay, go ahead. It's recording now. Jake, I just wanted to ask a follow-up question there as well around if there's anything on the list that's not there for you, anything that feels important that is missing. I was trying to think about that when you gave us a couple of minutes there and I think that I would like to take some more time and get back to you on that and certainly do want to follow up because I think that there's a lot of different angles to look at this, to look at this from. Sounds good. Thanks. I'll be real quick, Andra. On the actual board itself, not the advisory board, but the actual group that's putting together the CCA, how representative is the community in that group? Yeah, so, you know, that was something that we discussed at the last meeting and the board itself is going to be appointed by each of the, you know, executives in charge of each community. So in Northampton, that's the mayor, in Pellamets, their select board, and in Amherst, it's the town manager. And we will probably have two directors on the board and we can't really specify, but it's gonna be a pretty deep dive for even people who are knowledgeable. I've been learning about this from scratch for the last three years and I still don't know anything about actually implementing this. You know, I understand it all in theory. So that's why the education and developing leaders through other steps is so important, because that's how we'll be sure that we're really representing the communities. And why we wanna make the citizens, rather call it residents advisory committee be really representative and strong. So it has influence on the board. There will be three or four, we haven't decided. People from the advisory committee on the board at the table, but not voting members, right? That was a part of our conversation before. And, but being a part of the discussion is gonna shape decisions. We know that from research we've done with communities in California. That answer your question? Yeah, I mean, my hope would be that the education that you're talking about in four or the participation on the advisory board would result in educating people. So that as actual board members for the governing body open up and terms end, there'd be a pathway exactly for people to get to that governing place because both you and I, I mean, there's a certain, there's an empowerment about being a decision maker and I'm not poo-pooing an advisory board and I'm not poo-pooing discussions and being, you know, and the impact that conduct that discussions can have. However, the decision makers are the board, not the advisory board, and providing a pathway for a more, a broader part of the community to gain whatever knowledge needs to be gained to govern I think is a really important, really important thing to have. Yeah, I'm really glad, Stephanie, that you noticed it wasn't recording that it is now. So I can say to Jen that I'm missing her voice here and particularly about this issue of governance because she really pushed that issue. And I hope that it makes sense that, you know, we have to put this into like the legal document that shapes how the CCA is going to be run for, you know, to be sure that it really can happen, that it really will be happening. Yeah, Ghazi Haya. I just wanted to remind us that there's absolutely no reason why there couldn't be someone who shares the identities that are described in number two, who's also someone who's capable of engaging in technical dialogue. And so a priority could be for the board to make an effort to choose when they're choosing from qualified folks who have the technical experience and expertise to prioritize folks who simultaneously are renters or people of low income or people from the BIPOC community because there's tons of intersections there. And we don't have to assume that people with the identities listed on number two are not also capable of engaging in technical and, you know, conversations that necessitate some sort of expertise. So I just wanted to offer that. Yes, thank you. Absolutely. And we also, you know, are working from what we know right now and knowing what we've had to learn to get as far as we are. It's, you know, just wonder, like validate what Cedric was saying, there's so much to grasp about what the CCA can be for the community. It kind of takes living with it for a while. And there's lots of people who could be doing this. And I would like to put our energy into developing a very diverse pool of people who could step up starting now, you know, even before we start the CCA. So I just wanted to jump in to say that Elini is in a similar situation to you could be right now where she's juggling childcare. So she'll jump in when she can, but we can continue with the discussion. We have about five more minutes if folks have other thoughts or things they wanted to circle back to on this particular part of our meeting. I'm particularly curious about the question, Lauren, that you put to Jake about what's missing. And I know it's hard to come up with what's not there, then bounce against what is there. But there's really no questions or ideas that are not welcome, all is welcome, even if you think, well, this might not even be related. It's probably still important for us to hear. And if Jake, you're still thinking, I remember Cedric had something he wanted to circle back on as well earlier in the conversation. So Cedric, if you wanted to jump back in, please feel free. I guess while folks are still thinking, I'll just note something that came up for me when Cedric was talking around the importance of understanding where the decision-making power lies within in the community, for instance, around the apartment complexes and working with landlords and property managers to encourage them to participate in the CCA and also to take advantage of the programs that the CCA might offer and to ensure that the benefits of those programs go toward their tenants. I think just hearing that perspective, that's something that I would add to this list. So just something to offer there. Jake, did you have any awakenings there? Shane? Yeah, I mean, I guess we could expand that energy efficiency topic to other areas that could be of benefit. And I guess that might be using some of the profits for updating renovations to different homes or again, things that are tangible that might be quicker to produce. So kind of going off of that. And I think with solar, there are just so many unintended consequences that come from it. So I guess continuing to look at this and review what the best practices are, which I guess as a board they're going to be doing anyway with community involvement. So that's just something I think that Dwayne spoke to. For example, the amount of land that's required for solar, we all want to be pro-solar of course, but there are all of these effects that might not be as apparent. So continuing to review, I guess, best practice implementation. We have plenty of time for one more quick comment. So I just wanna offer it back up to Cedric or Jayden or Dawn, if you have anything you'd like to add before we move on to the next part of our meeting. Yeah, Cedric. Hey, my last thing was, if someone could just provide me, cause I do like it sounds great, two and four. And I mean, the fundings and everything, I think they're all sound great, but just provide me in a way like two, like for example, like what like educational, like what are like, what actually practically I'm gonna gain from like, I guess for number four, for example, what education am I gonna gain from how is this helping me in the environment as well as the community I'm in in the environment? If there's like just a quick like, oh, it helps with heating or like in the winter time, it's cold, but you get good heating or I don't know, just something that, you know, that is like, okay, my house is freezing all the time or this and that, and I'm still gonna save money in this way. Cause I don't know, right now it's like, how is my community and my home gonna to help me? Or what education am I gonna learn from this? Just one or two examples. So I can think of one, Cedric, like there's a lot of different ways to use solar to, you know, to actually without owning it. And so understanding the different ways to do that could put the decision making in the hands of the community, you know, a whole lot of different ways to use solar in the hands of the community, you know, a whole apartment complex might decide, we wanna push the owner to, you know, use this space over here that no one's using for anything or cover the parking lot with solar that then is actually used to when it's, you know, generating electricity in, you know, use it in our homes or to, you know, light a community room that doesn't exist or something that helps, you know, communally to enhance life or bring some costs down. So there's an example. So it would be kind of like, what could we organize for as tenants or, you know, in Jen's case, condo owner? Cool. I like that. Cause now I could tell, you know, we go into the family and then, you know, cause folks is out there thinking about, you know, they phone bill, their can't, like the kids have after school or lunch fundings and things like that.  Like that's all I'm looking for is like, so, what can I tell someone practical to like, what is going to happen in the next five years or for the next five months? You know, this is obviously 2020 is 2020. So people are like, what are the answers and things? So I was just like, practically what's something, you know, if I go and tell somebody, hey, the CAA or these projects are happening, they're going to be like, well, what is that? Like that's cool. They vote in there. They're going to educate me, but what I'm going to, like, what is, how is this actually helping me for today? Not to be, I don't want to be self-centered or anything, but it's just something that I'm, I'm like, I don't know if I go back to the apartments or complexes like that and I'm like, well, how's that going to help? You know, these bills that I'm talking like, you know, going with and things like that. So thank you. I like that. Provide. I mean, that's like an idea. There's, there's just, there's a lot of possibilities. How feasible, how, how realistic they are. I don't know or how soon that could actually happen.  If not, then, okay, what's the second thing? Then then it does take education to get to the, what are the options and then, but you know, like, I don't know, is there a tenant organization? Is there a, you know, apartment complex, wide resident organization? Or is that where, you know, this work would have to start just to have the way to gather and talk about, well, what is important? Maybe it's got nothing to do with energy, but let's just start there and have people have a voice. So I really appreciate that connection to sort of tenant organizing and, and governance 200, because that's actually an issue that's come up in a lot of our task group meetings so far, not just with this group. And I think it really speaks to what Cedric's saying around like how, how will this make a difference in, in the day-to-day lives of the folks living in the apartment complexes, for instance, and, and when it comes to things that have to, that take convincing a property manager and organizing is, is important. So, yeah, both of those comments are really well taken. So I want to move us along. Oh, Gisika, yeah. Sorry, I was just going to loop back to Cedric's initial thought about how the landlords interplay and like one of the pieces about if this does end up being short-term more expensive and it's something that landlords are paying for, it could end up like leading to increases in rent. So there's so many layers that like, you know, long-term the profits may be able to be used for community projects. But like Cedric was saying, you know, so many of us just have to pay like this month's bills. And it's something that I hope the board will stay really present with. I want to just ask you if you want to take us into the next section of our meeting. Sure, yeah. So now that we are on our third meeting and wrapping up this process together, we just wanted to give some space for everyone to share about how this has, this experience has been for you. We have heard from across the task groups that it's been pretty different from other town planning processes. So we wanted to give people the opportunity to share. Did you feel it was worthwhile to participate in this? Is there something that made it feel more positive? Or was there something that made it feel difficult? And just any other ideas or thoughts that you want to share about being a part of this process and experience over the last three meetings. So we're going to give everyone three minutes again. And if you don't want to share, of course you can pass, but if you'd like to, we'd love to hear. And I'll just add to Zikaia's original framing to say if there were things that made the process difficult, what could make it better in the future? Maybe our co-chairs want to kick it off under Dwayne. If you have thoughts or thoughts or reflections that you wanted to share with the group about how this process has been for you. I guess I can just reflect that. I mean, this role in the town energy committee is the first experience I've had with town governance directly. So I don't know. I can't really compare this process with others. But that being said, I do understand. That it's somewhat unusual to bring together community leaders to at an early stage, particularly to really help to understand and hear from and be moved by community leaders from a diverse group of community leaders. So really appreciate that. And I guess maybe while you're reflecting on how things have gone, you know, maybe also reflect on how we move together, continue to move together as we finish the plan, but then more importantly, implement the climate actions that we need to take moving forward, the CCA and others. Andrew, did you want to add anything to that?  I started out learning about the CCA stuff and climate in general, you know, really from nothing. Just basically my son said, what are you doing?  Why aren't you working on this issue? And so I had to. And that's when I joined Mothers Out Front, which is a climate organization that doesn't try to necessarily be experts, which was a good fit. So it was sort of a baby step. And then I got more and more involved.  And I have all sorts of ideas of how we could continue to work together, either as a part of the town process or outside of the town process. Because honestly, you know, I come from both perspectives. I'm, you know, an activist and I'm doing this town work. And sometimes it's important to push from the outside. And, you know, our town needs that, needs places that just speak up and say, you know, whatever is true for you.  So I'm really hopeful that this process will lead to more of really deep community involvement. And it's been very exciting. And I feel like bragging, you know, about how well Stephanie and Zechaya and Lauren and Jim have made this happen. So that's part of my experience. Thank you. And anyone else? Jake, go ahead. Thank you. It's really been a great experience for me. And educational on two fronts, learning about what others experiences are. It's been eye-opening for me. And then educational on just knowing what the process would be and knowing that it is possible for other towns to go from utility, privately-owned utilities to more of a public, community-owned utility, I suppose. And just understanding that that is possible. And it seems like, well, it's, of course, very challenging, but it's, I think, where we're headed, certainly as a state, it seems. So congratulations to the panel and the board here for taking the steps and really being leaders in this effort. Thank you. I'm checking where Zechaya can do it in since you're not on video. Yeah, I can go. So I think that, like, this whole, like, seeing this whole process workout has been really, like, educational for me because, I don't know, for, like, some of you guys who don't know, I'm in high school. So I've, like, I've never seen anything like this before. I don't have any other experiences to compare it to, but, like, all through middle and high school, I've been very active in, like, climate stuff and social justice stuff. So it's just really incredible to me to, like, see how it all works out in, like, all the little details. And, like, I came into this not knowing anything about this topic, but I feel like I have learned so much from just, like, these meetings. So I think it's definitely, like, a very positive thing to see. That's great. Thanks, Jayden. And I want to just follow up and ask sort of what are some of the the biggest things you're taking away or how are you going to, yeah, what are you taking away from this?  I think definitely one of the biggest thing I've learned is, like, I kind of, like, being on these meetings, it kind of helped me, like, put together, like, how everything fits together. Like, because I think before this, I wouldn't really be able to connect how climate change and, like, energy is connected to, like, landlords and renting. Because you kind of don't put those problems together. But then when you look at something like this, you see how, like, there isn't just one problem. They're all, like, connected and linked together. And you can find solutions that fit both things. And you have to kind of figure that out. So, like, before, if I was thinking about energy, I'd just be like, oh, yeah, solar panels for people's houses. But you see how it's, like, more complicated than that. And that's where everything else comes in. Thanks, Jayden. That's a really great insight. Don Cedric, Stephanie as well. You're welcome to jump in. You have thoughts to share. I'm just going to wait until others comment and then I'll save mine. Sounds good. I was waiting for Don, but I'll go first. Thanks, Cedric. I'll just go. What was I going to say? I want to jump on. Jayden's point. With it's not just about solar panels and energy. So that that was. What this brought for me and which I kind of expected. Open door, you know, the door foot in the door. I see that it's a process for sure. And. I love the. The thought and the, and the empathy and where we're going and especially in diverse communities, black communities, Latino, other, other communities as well. I think. Also just continue to like, I think this has been a common theme for me though, it's just. What, how, you know, continue to ask those questions of what's. What's next and practical, maybe, you know, plans of. Giving things, how we can save energy today, or, you know, I know there's things out there, but now I'm going to look for it more.  So, so that's what I like the door being open to is that, is that type of things too. So we can continue to help our community and save energy and, and live a much more healthy life. And that's what we all, you know, at the end of the day want to do is move, live, live a healthy life. So in all ways, so I thank you for that, that open door. I would, and just continue to love to be on another one of these to, to push and press these questions and, and here so we can go back home to our people and, and tell, tell others. So Jake, I really appreciate you using that metaphor of an open door and it's, it's opening right it's not there all the way, but this is the first step and, and hopefully the process of moving forward is going to continue to open that door. And I'm just curious, sort of reflecting on the original questions that we proposed. What would have made this process better for you. I think I think just again just the process would have been better for me. I think I think just more. What can, what can help me today. What is, like how is it, you know, what, or what are the effects is happening in. What are we not doing that's that's what led us to maybe we have talked about maybe maybe it was a length of time and things like that but like what, you know, sometimes I'm not, you know, I've also came in, you know, it's been again a crazy year, but I've came in, in the middle of these meetings too. So I've been like, oh, let me catch up. So I was doing a lot of catch up. But in this moment just really, I feel when I, when I was missing was something where it was like, okay, what's happening right now? And how are we an answer to a problem? I know there's a problem, but how are we like, how are we, how is this answering to the problem? What, what is, what is the steps or what, or maybe what are the things that we can at least prevent right now that can help, you know, I can go to again, our neighborhoods and be like, hey, oh, you don't need to, you know, for example, we say, turn your lights off. Don't use the water all the time. Stuff like wasting like those type of things that I would like to kind of know and we did it a little bit in the first day. I remember like, oh, open your windows instead of using air conditioner and things. That is what something I was thinking we were trending towards. And of course, like there's, but I also learned there's a lot to, you know, a lot of factors. That's what Jaden was talking about, where there's a lot of factors to that. So I definitely was like, oh, there's so many other factors and voting and, you know, I didn't know, you know, do we have committees and things. So that's amazing. And, you know, for me, it's always, okay, what's happening up high, but how do we always bring it back to earth, you know, because we go back to what it like how what what am I going to go and take away from this and do right now and help so I can, so I can go tell the people be the Paul Revere and be like, yo, we got energy, we need to do this, yo, this is what we're doing. We need to stop this or hey, we can do this now and and things like that. That's all. So, but it's a lot. So it's hard to cover everything. So that's why I think this is a continual thing for sure. I really appreciate that perspective of just wanting to ground things in in in actions that are tangible and that are going to have an impact right now and being able to connect those to the bigger picture as well so that you can be an advocate in your community. That's what I hear you saying is you really want to be an advocate in your community. And that's really great. So thanks for sharing. Don, did you want to jump in? I know Lina is still with us, but she'll jump in if she can. So, go ahead. So this is my first foray into doing any kind of work in the in the greater Amherst community and I appreciate the opportunity to do that. You know, I'm on boards for Brookfield farm or for double edge theater, but I haven't really done anything for the town. But what I really want to say is I want to thank Dwayne and Andra for I mean, my impression is and Stephanie for making this for actually actualizing the term community, which is in this whole process and making it alive and real and not just a label. And the inclusivity, the it's been well run and my only if you were going to ask me the only negative I have or in a pandemic, I wish we could have all met in a room and exchanged ideas and really been able to respond in a less kind of stilted way. I think I'm zoomed out between my my job and these things, but it's been wonderful. Thank you. That's my reflections. Thanks, Don. I think we're all with you wishing that we could be there together in person and not interfacing through a screen. And I also just want to point to the the sort of trend it seems in the room of this being a first experience for many folks in interacting with town processes and I think that's really that's really telling in and of itself. So just thank you all for being willing to spend the time with us and talking to us. Especially on a Sunday afternoon when it's a beautiful day outside. To to make progress on climate action in town. It's really inspiring. So we're just at the time where I'm going to turn it over to the co-chairs to talk a little bit about next steps and continue the conversation around advocacy and organizing and I think we're going to have a little bit of a break. And then we're going to turn it over to the co-chairs. So please go ahead, Stephanie. Sorry, I can, I can make this brief. No, I don't know. I just, um, I, you know, I have worked for the town for over 20 years now. And so I have been involved in Tom governance and I've worked closely with committees, especially the conservation commission. And I just want to say that this is different. I think it's a great opportunity to work with the community. And I think that it's, it's a great opportunity to work with the community. And, and I think that's a great opportunity to work with it. I think there were many great things that happened from it. I personally really want to thank the Linnaean team and especially Guzikaya. All the work that they did. To really bring the community leaders and community members. Into this process. And I think. To Cedric and Jaiden's point and really. I hope we do a lot more of, um, I love, um, Cedric, your desire to get more involved with the community and really to be a, you know, a sort of champion of, you know, some of this work. I, I hope. I really hope that it will bring you, um, to be more directly involved in, in, you know, In a committee, maybe the ECAC. You know, it would be great if you would be like one of the next members on the energy and climate action committee. And I, I hope this sort of opened up a door. For that, for that kind of, um, engagement and, um, You know, for everyone involved, I just, um, really thank you for taking the time and it's been really positive. Um, experience and, um, yeah, I just want to thank you and I, I, you know, it was what it was because of all of you and your willingness to be here and share, you know, otherwise it would have been just a few of us. So thank you. Um, and thanks guys. You're Kaya for all the work you did. I just wanted to say real quick, Stephanie, that, um, Cedric just started last month on the human rights commission. So. And. Yeah, appreciate him a lot too. And everybody else. That's great to hear. So I just want to make sure. Yeah. I'll just say it's great to hear Alina, if you're able to jump in and say. What this has been like for you, you can interrupt. No, yeah, she, she's not right now. But, um, but I will definitely get her feedback and communicate it. Thank you. Thank you. And if there's anything else. Having heard other people that anybody who wanted to. want to offer you the chance to do that now. So hi everybody, I'm sorry I was listening but I'm driving. So I just wanted to say that it's being really helpful to be part of the group and just be aware of what's happening in the community and ways that the community is looking to work with people to make it more of an equality between the classes and the races so that everybody has the same access. That's totally great. Thank you Aline for sharing. I think Andra had to step away for just a second and Don had a final thought. I didn't want to disappear but I have to leave now too. So I wanted to thank everybody and sign off. So thanks. Great. We'll follow up with next steps Don. Thanks for coming. See you soon. Bye. Can you hear me if I'm not using the headphones? So one next step. I think I mentioned before that this group of activists who started this whole idea CCA is still exists even though some of us have gotten into the weeds and really involved in the town stuff and one thing we're thinking is we don't have to wait for the whole electricity thing to start. That could be a year, year and a half, two years. We really don't know when that will start but we can already start thinking about other projects that the community could put money to and start. Like what would we want to do first? And it would be with these three towns Northampton, Amherst and Pelham and I would just love for like this group or across the four different task groups for the community members to tell, come together and figure out what priorities across the different sectors. The people talking about buildings, people talking about transportation, and give us some ideas and work with us if we're going to organize landlords first. How do we do that and who does it and how can people don't live in the apartment complex as help? In order do we have to stay out of it and let the residents do it? That kind of really organizing thinking. We need some come down to some really concrete things. And then the other thing is there are basic things that individuals can do or that groups of individuals or neighbors together can decide, okay, we're just going to push to get a community garden going here. We can't grow our own food and our backyards. Let's do this for anything else. That's like me with Andrew with her organizing hat on. And meanwhile the ECAC will be kind of writing this up with Lauren and Jim and trying to get our ideas down on paper and prioritized. And I do think that we need to ask for the community members to come back and weigh in again. So I hope that we can make that happen. I don't know what the grant money allows for. That's part of the plan, don't worry. Do I have another next steps? Yeah, I just add to Andra's reflection, my own reflection on not just what I heard in the last round. I just really wanted to pick up on a couple of things that Cedric had mentioned and I think Jaden as well. And something I've been talking about at the Energy and Climate Action Committee is that it's much more the challenges that we face are not really the technical challenges. Solar exists. Heat pumps are out there. They work. And we're not trying to solve a science problem or technology problem. We're trying to solve a social problem and a business and market problem. And that's where how do we develop the ability to work with landlords? And landlords are business people. We want to look out for them too. They have a business to run and so how do we make this a win-win situation for the landlords and for the tenants to move forward with climate action programs? And so I think really a lot of this is about being active community members and pushing this notion. And I think from what I heard from Cedric in terms of the idea of staying active, we really appreciate that. We would look to you and others to really be active voices to help move these new ideas forward. And I would say that as Andra said, we're probably at least a year or two years away from the CCA being a thing and a robust thing where we might have some monies to spend on investment and so forth. But in the meantime, there's still opportunities to work with your tenant groups. The EEAC members would be happy to join you and talk about these issues and opportunities and potentially brainstorm with you about some novel business or approaches to approach landlords on how to solve this issue, particularly, and what's critical is really having the voice of the tenants and the community members as a voice that's really motivated and enthusiastic to drive, to help drive the landlords forward in this direction. But I think we could suggest that the, and I speak for myself at least, but others of the committee would be happy to join with you in those discussions in the community organizing that's involved to sort of share our understanding and ideas and help to make your voice more, the ability for your voice to resound and work with the, and to approach the landlords or business owners of the apartment buildings if that's something that we would want to do. So really appreciate that. And your willingness Cedric and others of remaining active in this process, as Andra said, we're going to be with the help of Lauren and Jim really pulling together this action plan sort of towards the end of the calendar year, I think, or I forget exactly what the time frame is, but give or take and having this group and our other working groups to really be active in giving feedback on that and involved in the finality of that would be a great way to stay active at this point, as well as being then ready to continue being active as we move forward and start implementing this plan. Thanks so much, Dwayne and Andra. And so Andra, did you want to add anything? Lauren, could I throw out an idea? Been doing research about different CCAs and how far they can go in involving residents. We talked with the organizer for an Oakland organization, Oakland, California, who offered to talk with anyone again about what the role of organizing. Her role is, the name's Jessica Guadalupe Tovar, and she's an energy democracy organizer for the East Bay, that's where Oakland is, Clean Power Alliance. And they played a really big role in making sure that their CCAs had that kind of accessibility that we're hoping for. So we got a lot of ideas from her. And we could connect people to her. Not everything has to come through. The town mechanism could be peer-to-peer as well. So throwing it out there. Really interesting thought, Andra. Maybe there's some opportunity for an event or further connections to be made there. So I'm actually going to pass it off to Kazikaya just to share a few closing thoughts if they're still available. And then I'll talk a bit about the next steps in terms of the plan development and how we'll continue to engage with y'all. It's a little bit of boisterous play over here. But yeah, just I think we covered everything. Everyone had a lot of nice feedback. So I appreciate everyone sharing all of that. And Lauren's going to share what the next steps are. Thanks, Kazikaya. So sort of building off of what Dwayne and Andra have already said, after this next or this last round of task groups, it concludes, which is our last one is this week. We'll be putting together a draft plan based on all of the great ideas and input that came out of these meetings, as well as meetings with other folks in town and other stakeholders in the community with the ECIC overseeing that process. But then our intention is to connect back with the community leaders that have participated in this process to sort of ground truth our draft and say, are these priorities really reflective of what we talked about of the principles and values that we discussed of the big ideas that we came up with? Did we miss anything? Are there things that really need to be here that aren't yet? And the hope is that the dialogue will be ongoing as we develop the plan and that community leaders will continue to talk to their friends and family and neighbors about what's going on and plug them into this process too. So the plan is to present a draft plan to the community in the spring and that'll be another sort of more formal opportunity to give input and feedback and comment and all of that good stuff before we finalize the plan and the plan will be presented to the ECIC and the town council, by the ECIC to the town council later in the spring. So all that to say just thank you so much for your participation. Hope that you'll continue to engage with us and we'll be in touch also not just to send out notes and sort of the wrap up from this meeting but also to go through some of these next steps and ways that you can continue to be involved. And in the meantime, please don't hesitate to reach out. If you have more questions, you have more ideas, myself, Jim, Dwayne and Andra, Stephanie, we are all available, we all want to hear from you. So please don't be shy. We're always available. And yeah, just many, many thanks for spending this time with us.  Hope to see you all again soon. Take good care. Bye, everyone. And thank you again. Thank you. Thank you, everyone. Thank you.