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Well, Paul Bunyan days in Aakley is celebrating 70 years of bringing families together. Reporter Cheryl Moore has the story in this week's community spotlight. We have a lot of things that we're really family oriented. It's our 70th, so we kind of amp things up a little bit this year. Aakley loves Paul Bunyan, and it's safe to assume Paul loved his birthplace too. To celebrate the man who created Minnesota's 10,000 Lakes, the town holds the Paul Bunyan Days Festival every year over the last full weekend in June. The festival has gone through changes, but one thing that always remains is it's fun for all ages. Years ago we had carnivals and that always drew people in, but now we decided to dispense with those probably oh, I don't know, 10, 12 years ago, and then now we're just going with more of a homegrown sort of thing. There's a lot of activities here. I like to see some new activities and everything, and it's actually kind of fun to see new ones and do them and try them out. This year there are more than 50 vendors involved from all over Minnesota who brought food, shops, and even live music. There was also a kid's fishing tournament, a parade, and more carnival games than you can imagine. Everyone had a favorite. Popping the balloons over there. Popping the balloons over there. But food trucks to fishing this year's Paul and Day Festival had everything. There was even a rock climbing wall so you can feel as tall as Paul Bunyan himself. Every year they try to do things a little differently, but so far all along it's a good event for the locals and for everyone I guess. With such a long history in the community, Paul Bunyan Day has become a staple on Akely, much like the man himself. We've had a good history of Paul Bunyan.  And some say that if Paul was here to witness the festival today, he definitely would like what he saw. We try to gear it really to Paul Bunyan, and it's always been Paul Bunyan days, even before our big statue came. But I think he would be proud, yes, because kids, and I think Paul always had a special place in his heart for kids and that kind of thing and family get together and that's what this is all about. Reporting in Akely with this week's Community Spotlight, Cheryl Moore, Lakeland News. If you enjoyed this segment of Lakeland News, please consider making a tax-deductible contribution to Lakeland PBS.


a fiery horse with a speed of light, a cloud of dust and a hearty hyo-silver, the lone ranger. Gun law ruled the range country in the early days of the Western United States, and disputes over boundaries and water rights often led to range wars. It was the masked rider of the planes who put an end to them. He made the ranchers realize there was no justice in the law of force, and he blazed the trail for peace and security on the frontier. Return with us now those thrilling days when the West was young, and eventually at the end of every trail, the lone ranger rides again. A small herd of thirsty cattle were drinking at a pool the only water for scores of miles in a range burnt brown after a prolonged drought and... Miss Lewis, just look at them critters wrapping up. Mind the agonist though. Keep an eye out for Joel Greer, Hank. Yes, ma'am. You bet I will. If that's some shows up my... You'll do what? Watch them, Spade. I got him covered. Whoa, whoa, they're low. You were watching from behind those rocks. You're mistaken, ma'am. We rode up from behind them rocks. We'd have been there when you come up with them cows. They'd never gotten near that water.  Get them critters moving. I won't. They've got to have water. Not mine. But there ain't no other. There ain't a drop for miles.  Which same happens to belong to me. Now, get them moving. Well, Miss Loomis, looks like we'd better do... Hank, don't you move. Joel Greer, you can't do this. I don't care whose water hole it is. Them cows are dying for lack of it. In times like these, you can't deny the cattle you're worrying about or yourselves. What do you mean? If you really gave a hoot about them critters, you'd sell them to me. Then they'd be welcome to drink whenever they're hankered to. I'd sell them for a fair price. Give you $5 a head. They're worth $30 now. When the railroad gets the branch line built, they'll be up to $40. Sure, maybe more. But them cows are going to get mighty thin before the railroad's here. Joel. Yeah? I'm just a woman. Just a woman that had to carry on when her brother died. Being a woman, I've always been for peace on the range. I wouldn't even let my punches carry guns if at times there weren't need for it in the course of their work. Well... But woman or not, I ain't going to stand for seeing my cows die of thirst. No, and I ain't going to sell at any such price as you just named. I'm not the only one to feel like that, Joel. There's Dave Walsh and the Logan Brothers and Kurt Schaefer. There's the ranches on the other side of the county line. There's all the folks that'll be wiped out if you don't come to turn. Only they won't be wiped out, Joel. Not of this sale. And not if you stop lead. Threats to blazes with you, now get. You there, start hustling them critters. Kurt takes his orders for me. He won't. Then we will, Spade. Fire over them critters' heads. That'll rouse them. Right, boss. Just left. Hey, my stetian! Who shot my stetian up? I did. Come on, tunnel. Why, you meddling... These cows stay here until they've had their fill. You can't... Look here. On your way. You can't. Come on, Spade. We'll meet again, mister. I won't dodge you.   That's Joel Greer, huh? Sure is, stranger. You sure upset him. That's a mighty fine-looking six-gun you're reloading there. I want to thank you. That's all right. But you shouldn't have done it. You've just made an enemy out of Joel just to help us the restrangers to you. Not entirely, Mrs. Loomis. You know my name? I've learned a lot about all the ranchers in this district since I heard of the draught here. Then you know what the situation is. I do. Since Cottonwood Creek dried up, this pool is the only water to be had. Well, this pool is spring-fed. I know that also. The fact may save your herds. I don't understand. You will later if Todd and I find what we've been looking for. Huh? What's that? You've been looking for something? What is it? Something that will make Joel Greer wish he'd been more neighborly. That's all I can tell you now. Come on, Todd. Who are you? We are not outlaws. Joel Greer and Spade rained in at Joel's ranch house after their meeting with the mask man. Then... Spade, don't settle and turn the horses into the corral. Sure, boss. Hey, ain't that the bankers' horses? Never mind about that. With that other horse, boss, who's is that? I said, never mind. After you turn these critters into the corral, go on back to the bunkhouse and tell the boys the seat of their guns. Maybe they'll be a ride in the four longs. Sure. Come along there. You kept me waiting. Couldn't be helped. This came from the water hole. Howdy, Kurt. Good afternoon, Joe. One of your men came to the bank and said you wished to see me. Yeah. Thanks for getting here so soon. I suppose it's about that matter we discussed the other day. That's right. Then I'm sorry. My answer's the same. What's that? I can see your point. If you could buy it five dollars ahead and sell it 40, you'd probably make a nice fortune. You ain't doubting me, are you? No, of course not. Unfortunately, however, some would be needed to purchase the stock you have in mind. It would mean buying herds now owned by a dozen ranchers. Your bank's got cash enough to swing the deal, ain't it? Oh, certainly. But I wouldn't feel justified in... Well... I mean, if your credit were better established, then perhaps a loan of that size...  Thought I'd wait till you got here, Joe. Told me what?  But, uh, you sure wouldn't turn down Kurt here, would you? But, uh, I thought... I'm back in Joel Squires. But I was told you were one of the ranchers who'd been refused permission to use Mr. Greer's water. Squires? Yes, Mr. Shaper. Do you think you could be told something without blabbering it afterwards? If you think I'd violate a confidential... Oh, no, you needn't get huffy. I'll take it that you won't talk, eh? If you leave here, forget all about me and Joel being in on this deal together. As far as you know, I stand to lose just as much of the other cattlemen around here, and I'm just as mad at Joel because of it. Of course, of course. And here's a proposition. Joel told me he wouldn't loan him any cash by himself.  He's got the water hole, I got credit. We're thrown in together and splitting the profits 50-50. You, Squires, you'll be making a nice margin on a short-term note that's as good as gold. Savvy? Well, uh, with your signature on the note also, Mr. Shaper.  I understand perfectly. You see, Mr. Squires, Kurt's word goes a long ways with the other ranchers. As long as they figure he's stuck, just like they are, they'll listen to me if he advises selling at my price. But if they suspicion, him and me was in cahoots... I can see quite clearly you can depend on my discretion. Then you'll, uh, loan us the cash? It will be ready when you need it. I got a notion Joe will be needing it tonight. Yes. All the cattlemen have rounded up the herds and they're bringing them here, mine among them. They got to act fast, whether they sell or whether they try to take over the water hole by force. Them cows have got to have water. I see. There'll be a meeting at the loomis place this evening between me and Dave Walsh. They've already been talking to the cattlemen and advising them to sell. And there's a good half of them that figures that that's all they can do. I'm representing them and Dave is representing the bunch that wants to fight it out. It's been agreed that however me and Dave decided between ourselves, the others will agree to it. The money will be ready.  It'll be rushed if they see the chance. I'll give an order from our man to be ready to fight. And recollect this, both of you. I ain't been here. I ain't in or nothing and I'm losing cash just like all the others. That's something you don't want to forget. Yeah, Mr. Schaefer, your name will never be mentioned. That evening, while herds from all over the drought stricken area were being driven toward the water hole, Kurt Schaefer met with Dave Walsh in the ranch house belonging to Mrs. Loomis. Dave said, Kurt, I can't figure you out. Ain't I made myself plain enough for you? Sure. Sure, I heard you say you didn't think there ought to be bloodshed over this. But you never used to be so anxious to keep the peace. I can recollect the early days out here when you'd rather fight than eat. What in blazes has come over you? Dave, them times is over. The law is here now and it's come to stay. Ah, the law. Never will be a time when guns won't come in handy. Law or no law, now's one of them. You ain't for fighting, are you, Mrs. Loomis? As a rule, I'm not. You see, Dave, she's... But this is one time I am. No, look, I... Kurt, the law says that water hole belongs to Joel Greer and he can keep us from using it if he so wishes. Well, laws are made for justice. Only like everything else, it's made a hard and fast rule. There's bound to be situations come up that the law never provided for. This is one of them. If there was plenty of water to be had on the range, then it would be justice for Joel to keep his water for itself. But when there ain't no other to be had, then it's only justice for him to share it. Good for you, Mrs. Loomis. All right. Say you take the law on your own hands. Say you get that water in spite of Joel's guards. The fact remains, you won't get it without killing some of his men. And when you're killed, I take what you ain't no right to have it smarter. Try and get out of that. I'll take my chances. And so the men that said the do as I decided.  I can't... Dave! The mask, madam. What's a hay? Left leather and I shoot. Stranger, you'd better... Dave, come here. What? I said, come here. Are you... What do you want with me? You learn that soon enough. Keep to the side. Don't get between my guns and curts. Wait! Dave won't pay her... But listen. Him and me got to decide on something. Your decision will keep for half an hour. But I tell you... 30 minutes, Dave will be back. All right, Dave, outside. Last of course. Don't follow us. Why, the dirty... Stay here. Let that masked homie get away with this. He said Dave wouldn't be harmed, that he'd be back in half an hour. The word of a crook. But if you try to follow, Dave might be harmed. Stay here and wait.  Kurt Schaefer, knowing the importance of the decision that must be reached, wetted him patiently. His eyes were fixed upon the clock. And when 30 minutes had passed, he started toward the door. It opened before he could reach it and... Well, I'm back, folks. But where in blaze did I mask? I'm going to take you. What was his idea? What was he up to? He showed me where I was wrong, huh? Wrong? About fighting over the water hole amine. Dave, you haven't changed your mind, have you? I have, Miss Loomis. You're selling? You're selling for five dollars a head? Yep. Oh, no, you can't. Miss Loomis, you're promised to abide by our decision. I know, but... And if Dave says he's for selling, then we're agreed and the decision's been made. Dave. That's the way it is, Miss Loomis. The mask man's a blame for this. Well... I thought he was on our side. Please. Well, he's ruined us. That's what he's done. And I hope he recollects it till his dying day. We curtain pause on the first act of our Lone Ranger drama. Before the next exciting scenes, please permit us to pause for just a few moments. Now to continue our story. When Joel Greer was informed that the ranchers had agreed to sell upon his terms, it did not take him long to summon banker Squires and conclude the deal. Final two thousands of heads of cattle changed hands at night. The following day, Joel watched from a distance as his men drove the herds to the waterhole. Squires and Kurt Schafer sat their mouths beside him and... Well, that's just about the last of them. How does it feel to own near all the cattle from around here, Joel? I kind of like it. Well, the railroad gets here. Hope you don't need them to bother with a trail herd to reach the market. For every critter we decide to sell, we'll pocket a profit of more than $30. Yeah, you figure that loan you made is a safe one up now, Mr. Squires. I only wish every loan my bank mate was half as safe. But Joel Skeen, my credit in your cash squires would help with this deal across. But if it hadn't been for another fella, maybe we wouldn't have done so well. What other fella? The masked man. I don't quite understand. You don't? How about me? First time I met up with him, I was mad enough to drill him on sight. I figured he was again me for sure. Now he switches sides and, well, that'll be dog on what to make of it.  I can make a good guess. Yeah. He likely showed Dave the business and to them guns of his and told them to follow orders or else. But why? What's he got to gain by it? None of us hired him. If you want the answer to that, I'd suggest that you ask him personally, huh? Because if I'm not mistaken, that's him now. You're saying that? My garlic hurt, it is. Look over to the west. He's heading this way. Isn't that an Indian with him? Sure is. He was with the red skin when I seen him before. Say, huh? I got it. Got what? A reason for him siding with us. If you have, you've got me beat. Why, sure, it's his plane enough. He's a gunman, ain't he? He figured that if he gave us a hand, it'd be worth paying him for. Now he's coming to see if he can collect. But... But what? But that don't make sense. If that's what he had in mind, why didn't he hire himself out to us before? Because he'd gotten bad with you before he found out which side it would pay him to be on. So he had sense enough to savvy he'd have to prove he was on our side before we'd trust him. Well, maybe you're right. Here he comes. Let him do the talking. We'll see what he's got to say. Hi, stranger. Hey, friend. Well, after last night, you'd better wait. I may find you made a mistake. Mistake? Last night, I persuaded Dave Walz that he and the man he represented had better sell. That's what I meant. You own these herds now, Joel. Thanks to you. Saviour, thanks. You own the cattle. But what would your position be if you found you no longer had water for them? Well, a joke's a joke, stranger. A joke? Look towards that water hole. Who wanted... Why, have you... Hey, I was noticing. What's wrong over there? There's something up. Right over there. Something up. Right over in C. You bet I will. Come along, Kurt. Right. Get up there.  Come on. Get along there. Come on. Wait. That's you, Squire. But I... You're riding the town. Look here. You're quiet. You'll ride the town with them. You have your instructions. See, they're carried out. How to do that. You can't give me orders. You have no right to tell me. On your way. I don't... If you don't do as Tata tells you, I'll attend to you myself. Get going. Take him along, Tata. You come. I asked you what would happen if you didn't have water for your cattle. Then you knew this was going to happen. I did. But I don't savvy. That spring always flowed. I never heard television stopping like this. That's the first time for everything. Do you want to know why the pool is drying up? Of course I do. Then follow me. Where to? You'll learn that soon enough. Come on, Silverman. Get up there. Get along there. Get along there. Get along there. Get along there. Get along there. Get along there. Get along there. Get along there. Get along there. And as they near the place, they saw a group of cattle men standing near some freshly turned earth. Then suddenly, Joel shouted, Water! They got water! Water in thunder. Or institutions that water coming from. There's date. Hold it, hold it. Our güç is long. Come Manager. What's going on here? You can see for yourself, can't ya? Thing turns a mack different now, Joel. Now we got the water and you got the cattle. Just yesterday, it was the other way around. But if you and fellas get this water, suppose you ask the mask man. Well?  That one I spent more than a week trying to locate its course. Finally, we found it. You mean? I mean that the stream flowed here under land owned by Mrs. Loomis. These men built this tank, blocked the stream. And now, while your pool is dry, Mrs. Loomis has water on land, which she owns. You can't get away with this. Hey, just a second. Put this fella. What are you so head up about? Why, from the way you sound, the fellas think you were siding with Joe. Well, no, what I meant was this. This just ain't legal. No. You bet it ain't. I don't know what you can do about it. I'll do a plenty. You there. Yes? This is how you persuaded Dave to sell. You showed him where you could steal my water. You figured that after I bought, I'd just have to sell back again. You will. Eh? Well, that's just where you're wrong. You're heading someplace, Joe. Never you mind where I'm heading. Just get this straight. You think you got me beat? What you'll soon find out, you ain't. Get up there. Get up there. Guys, ain't Joe mad, though? He's fit to be tired. Owns all the cattle in the district, and ain't got a drop of water to give them. Joe hasn't given up. I don't know what he can do. He has gunmen, and he'll use them. Well, we're kind of handy with shooting the arms ourselves. Perhaps this can be settled without a fight. Yeah? You'll follow my lead. Say, stranger, after what you've done up to now, you just name it, and we'll do it. Then get to the saddle, all of you. Well, uh, well, fellas, I reckon I'll be run along. You know my opinion on fight. You stay with us, Kurt. But I... And I think before we're through, you'll find you'll have plenty to explain. All right, men, follow me. Come on, sir. Jules spurred his mount homeward, but it was evening when he reached his ranch. He sent Spade to round up his men, and when they'd been gathered together, he addressed them in the bunkhouse. You men got it straight? We're riding down on them fellas with guns of blaze, and we're tearing down that tank they built and seen to it. That stream runs just like it did before. What do you think you're doing? Well, what's wrong? Boss, that tank's on land belonging to Miss Loomis. Well, what of it? Oh, we don't mind fighting where we know the law's on our side, like guarding your pool. But this is different. What you want is us to grab something that ain't yours. Sure. That's it for me.  In the first place, you're just as much inside the law doing this as the other. That underground stream has always fed that water hole of mine. Any quarter is'll back me up in that. What they call prior usage. And it means that stream can't be changed to keep me from getting the water I've always had. I know, I know. And in the second place, if I don't get that water back, I'm ruined. I stand to make a fortune if I win. I lose everything I got if I don't.  It's you that stands to profit by it, not us. Wait till I finish. Boys, I'm giving each one of you that rides tonight a bonus of $500. $500. Now that's talking. I could use something like that. Well, Leon, for $500 a piece, you bet we are, boys. Ain't that so, fellas? That's just what we'll do. Huh? Oh, it's you, Kurt. What are they coming, figuring on doing, huh? Come outside a second. I want to talk to you. Sure. Come on, fellas, you can stand a left. No, no, they're to stay where they are for a second. Well, what for? You'll know in just a second. All right, stay here, boys. You're writing sort of funny, Kurt. What's up? Just step outside here and close the door. Oh. All right, guard the windows. You'll let a man stir out of that bunkhouse. All right, baby. He wouldn't wait until... Honest, Joel, I couldn't help it. They made me call you out. Just so as they could trap my man. The first one of you to try to leave the bunkhouse will stop, lad. Tell them they're surrounded, Graham. I'll tell them. Don't try to bust out, fellas. You won't have a chance. You blasted him. David, we're going to have a showdown. That includes you, Kurt. What have I got to do with it? You bag Joel and he's scheme to buy cattle for a fifth of its value. But hadn't been for you, he could never put the scheme over it. That ain't so, though. That ain't so. Now, listen to me, fellas. You know what ain't so, don't you? Why, I sold my cattle for the same price you did. I lost just as much as anybody. The masked man says different, Kurt. And from the way you've been behaving, I got a dog on good suspicion he's right. No, listen. The banker refused Joel alone until you put your name with Joel's on a note. You pretended to sell your cattle at the same price as the other men. Just to convince them you were acting in good faith. You can't prove it. You can't prove a word of it. No? Salvo. You call me? Bring the banker here. You come. Oh, Kurt, Joel, don't blame me. The Indian forcemate.  He didn't have to talk. Salvo made him bring the note with your signature on it from the bank. Hand it here, Salvo. Here, no. Dave, take a look at that. Fasted around among the men. And that proves Kurt was in on it. Look at here, fellas. Kurt was just as bad as Joel was. It was nothing against the law. You can't do nothing to me, Fert. The law won't punish you. It can't. But you and Joel are going to get a dose of your own medicine. Joel, yeah? The situation is reversed. You have the cattle, but you haven't water.  But they ain't got no right to take that water. I'll go to the law about it and make them give it back. You're right. I believe a court of law would decide in your favor. You see? But these men have no intention of releasing that water until a court decision is handed down. That might take months. And in the meantime, what will happen to your cows? You haven't a chance, Joel. Make terms and the water will be released. Hold out and you'll lose your cattle, while still being responsible for the loan that permitted you and Kirk to buy them. All right. I guess I ain't got no choice. You see it, don't you? Kirk, we got it, pal. I reckon. So, uh, well, we'll let you have the cows back for just what I paid you. Sure, that'll be all right. No, Dave. But I... They deserve punishment for what they've done. Give them $3 a head. They'll pay you $5. The difference will be your profits and their punishment. Oh, no, no, please. Dog on, stranger. That's an idea. Yep, that's just what we'll do. You fellas all agreed? Yes, but it'll break us. We won't be able to pay off all our loan at the bank. And that means I lose, too.   Ha, ha, ha, ha. Swindle us, will you? Well, next time you try it, you'd better make Dernshaw that mask on braid around. I'll sell my heading for places. 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Good morning and welcome to Vermont House Judiciary Committee. It is Thursday, April 22nd. And for the next half an hour or so, we're going to be discussing S seven, which is an act relating to expungement. What I'd like to do now. We don't have any witnesses. I just want to have some. So we have a discussion and I'd like to outline a proposal for S seven and ask your support. In terms of some background, we've been working on this bill since March 18th. And we held hearings on it on the 18th, the 24th, the 30th, April 8th, April 13th, April 14th, April 20th, and April 22nd. And we've heard recently that we heard opposition from the state's attorneys on April 6th, the state's attorneys submitted written testimony stating general support for the bill and highlighted fiscal concerns. And it was only this week that we heard a number of other concerns that I very much appreciate regarding unintended consequences, including certain crimes and not knowing the full list of other issues that may raise concerns. Certainly these are concerns that need that need addressing. Late in the day yesterday while we were in committee, I heard from the bankers association that the administration through DFR asked the bankers association to oppose the bill. I've asked Evan and he has posted their concerns. Very much appreciate these concerns and certainly they are very important to look into. But I can't help but note my frustration at the timing of this recent opposition. Nonetheless, this is a critical bill that we need to get right. So what I would like to propose is to take a pause on S seven. And then separately direct the justice oversight committee. And then we'll move on to the issues that are currently in S seven that we were originally going to ask the, or as the bill is drafted, I'm going to ask the sentencing commission to look into. However, I think it would be better to have the justice oversight. Committee to do it. We've been asking the sentencing commission to do a lot and haven't necessarily followed their lead. This bill was a recommendation by the sentencing commission. So I've asked, I know that Brynn is working on this language. I've been in touch with Senator Sears. So, you know, we both, both of us feel that this is a very important bill. This bill has, experiment general has been supported by this committee for a number of years. I think often unanimously or if not close to that. So I do want to keep the issue alive. And so. So stay tuned. Okay. Okay. As I said, we'll be working on the language. I would like to put that in the miscellaneous judiciary bill. The directive to the justice oversight committee. Cause it's too important to, to totally stop work on this issue. So, and I would appreciate your support. Where we are. Open to discussion time. Go ahead. Thank you. I think at this point, that's the right thing to do Maxine. I feel I'm partially responsible for bringing up some objections late in the game. You know, mainly around the, you know, the exploitation of children and, and I've also brought up and talked about domestic violence. And I've been giving it more thought that there's, and again, I don't know what all the crimes are, but I do know that, you know, in recent years, we've, we've got, we've got rid of statute of limitations on a, on a number of a number of crimes. And, and, and I don't know if that may be something to look at as far as not being potentially not being expungible. Because if we're, if we're, if we're looking at a crime that's egregious enough to, you know, to remove the statute of limitations, is it, is it too egregious to possibly expunge them? Just an idea.  But anyway, I think, I think overall your plan is a great plan and we'll certainly support it. And, and, and I agree that expungement is important and it is something that the committee has overwhelmingly supported through the years. This is, this is a big expansion. And I think the individual crimes need to be definitely need to be looked at a little closer. Right. Right. Thank you. Yeah, certainly.  And so we need to definitely, whoops, I lost all of you. There you go. Wow. Sorry. Definitely need to sort, sort all that out as well as crimes where someone can be a sex offender registry. And so, so lots of questions again, I appreciate it. You know, timing is, is, but we're not, we're not all on our, on our best game these days. So let's see Barbara and then Martin. And then yeah. So obviously it's so important that we get this bill, right? Because if we, if the first round passed and there was God forbid a something that went wrong, somebody that got their record expunged committed, like it would, it would have consequences moving forward. So I agree that we have to be really careful and thoughtful as we've been doing of how to get this passed. And it is unfortunate timing wise, especially given all the things that we could work on that could get done, but we've been incredibly productive. And I think this makes sense rather than trying to pass this and get a veto. So it sounds like you want to seal it, not expunge this bill. And until the timing is right with the justice oversight committee, which I support and think it's wise at this juncture. Thank you. I gotta say great analogy, Barbara. I know I'm thinking to myself, it's boy, I wish we could do a virtual cabaret because we're starting to get a lot of, you know, puns and materials as we. Oh yeah, right. Martin and Selena. So yeah, I think we need to put this on pause. Just one other concern that I have is that we need to line up what's expungible and timing with the sex offender registry. And we need to really take a deep dive on that as well. I'm not so sure I agree with where it's going, but that's fine. I actually still believe that the sentencing commission in the first instance should line up our expungement with the revised criminal code. I think eventually that needs to be done and it would save time if we just did that now and it would also be a lot more straightforward, but I understand the timing issues. So I think if it has to go to the joint justice oversight committee, that's fine as well. I guess I'm a little concerned of, maybe you can enlighten us a little bit more on how that would work with the joint justice, because the sentencing commission presumably would have more time to dig deep into this or is that not the case? I just don't really understand so much how the joint justice oversight committee really works and how much time they're able to put towards something and dig down deep or have witnesses, or is that not really what you're envisioning? No, no, those are great questions. So the committee generally meets once a month in the off session for a good part of the day. It's 10 to 3 30 ish or so, and we do take testimony. And so, for instance, this would be on the agenda. And we would take testimonies from state's attorneys, from victims, from let's counsel. And we would, we would ask the question about different crimes, the relationship between, you know, expungement, sex offender registry and, and take testimony as we do in these committees, but it's, but it's just much more, I want to say, intense, whatever. And Brent actually has staffed the committee for a while. And so, so, Brent, I welcome you to chime in, but we, you know, we, we give the directive. And through, through the testimony and hearings, the committee gets that information. And Brandon, am I missing anything or? No, I think that's a really good summary. It's operates very similarly to the policy committees, except for that it's a full day meeting. And, and I agree that the intensity is pretty high. There's not a, you know, they do, they are able to drill down pretty deep in those full day meetings. And for the past several years, you've actually met more than once a month because you've requested additional meetings. So I think, I think last year you met maybe 12. Or maybe it was a year prior to COVID. There was a, there was 12 meetings. So they do manage to get a lot done. And also because Ledge Council staffs that we have access to all of the, all of the work that was done during the session. So we can rely on that and crafting any recommended, recommended potential of proposed legislation. So I assume also that presumably stakeholders can be working informally on this, just like happens in the regular session, you know, that they could be doing their homework offline and, and also consulting to, to figure this out. Okay. I appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah. No, absolutely. And yeah, thank you for it. And it is a lot of work for our legislative council. Yeah, quote unquote off season. And I think it's, it's demanding for, for our council as well. And then it is joint house and Senate. And there are members right now. It's a judiciary in the house. It's a judiciary corrections. And human services. But as you know, in, as three, we're looking to put some healthcare on, which I think makes sense. And then on the Senate side. It's judiciary, but you sure also does corrections. Health care. Right. And really sort of the same, the same committees are the same policy committees are represented. I do have one other question as well. So I continue to be concerned that we're not making progress on revising the criminal code, which I think as long overdue and is definitely necessary. I mean, I, again, I feel that the next step with expungement is to line it up with the revised or criminal code. My concern with the joint justice oversight proceeding with this is we're going to have further setbacks on being able to get to a point of a revised criminal code. What is the chance of, you know, if I work with the legislative council. Before this is taken up by joint justice oversight of an alternative proposal that aligns that sets forth the alignment with the revised criminal code so that that's before the joint justice oversight committee as well. It's just, I, we keep on going down this road. Working with our relatively jumbled criminal code. And we have this good work that's being done by this committee, as well as the sentencing commission. And I think aligning, you know, now might be a good time to present that as an alternative. And, and, you know, I'm willing to give that a shot, but is that a waste of my time if I do that, or is that something that, that could be presented to the joint justice oversight. I don't, I don't think it's so wasted your time. I think it certainly could be presented and. No, I think that, I think that would be valuable. So appreciate that. Yeah, thank you. Selena. Hi. I accidentally turned my camera on. I just wanted to say I, I think it's no secret I'm a really strong supporter of expanding pros and cons. Um, and, um, I don't share many of the concerns that I've been raised about the bill. And I also think it's. I want, I want, I want us to be able to expand expungement. Um, just hearing the kind of volume of the concerns that have been raised here in the final hour. I think it is really important for us to take enough time to make sure we can really build support around the policy that comes out of this committee. And so I do support your approach, Maxine, and just, you know, I feel, I think the heart, the thing that's hard about it is just, you know, thinking back to Mareto Riley's testimony the other day about how she has like long-time clients who are just waiting for us to pass this bill so they can get their lives going again. And so I think it's important to take the time to get it right. And I, but I also really hope we will continue to feel some urgency about this and really appreciate where I hear you coming from Chair Gradd, which is, which is to make sure we have a strong expungement policy that can become law. So I support, I support your proposal here and just wanted to share those thoughts. Great, thank you. I appreciate that. And yeah, no, this is expungement is it's workforce development issue and it's an public safety issue. And it's it's critically, critically important. And my hope is by having justice oversight continue to look at it. We do keep the conversation going as opposed to putting a stop, total stop on the bill. So thank you. Appreciate that. Selena, Kate. Thanks. I'm sorry if there's some background noise and my camera off. I guess I just felt compelled to raise my hand one to say, you know, I really appreciate the approach that you're taking, Chair Gradd, as a, you know, social worker, I'm all about process. And I think we have to get the process right. And I think that's how we build the best, the best policy. And, you know, in terms of building coalition and ensuring that questions are answered. And I trust in this process that you're, you're putting forward. I just, I do feel, I do feel like I just want to say that I can't help but feel with an issue like expungement that it's, it's in part resistance isn't in part ideological in nature. And, you know, I think when we were talking about the Bureau of Racial Justice Statistics, one of the things that I was asking Susana Davis about was, you know, my, my, my concern sometimes is that we, we claim to want data and we claim to want answers. And we, and we do all this work to gather that information. And then there's still strong resistance. And I feel like with something like expungement, we're trying to address public safety and equity issues. And I think, you know, in testimony, we were presented with a fair amount of evidence that people who would be seeking expungements in the situations that are laid out in this bill are really, the evidence suggests are not a threat to public safety and that people are disproportionately impacted by these issues. And so, you know, my concern, my concern with this, I support the move we're taking. And I just want to flag that concern that I feel like at some point, it's not about answering the right questions or gathering the right statistics. It's about making an ideological decision about how we're going to approach issues of public safety and equity. Thank you. I appreciate that. And I think of some of the stories that this committee has, has heard people who have, who have had their lives really unhold and set back because of criminal records. And so hopefully we can continue to get those stories out there and help people understand why it is so important. So, all right. Well, thank you. Thank you so much. I appreciate your support as always. So let's take a break. Oh, coach, go ahead. Good morning. Good morning. I just wanted to ditto. Actually, all of the concerns. And what's really cool about our committee is the balance of thought and thoughtfulness in our process. And that's what makes it great. And nothing's perfect, you know, because if it was, you know, we'd all be angels and needless to say we're not.  And it's not about us and them. I saw a really cool thing about Ubuntu. And it's the term that talks about we're one and we're all. So what affects one of us affects all of us. So as we start to clarify and create a system that is more reflective and introspective of who we are, the better off we all are. And I think we're getting there. We're working on it. And that's important. And thank you for your leadership. So I just needed to say that. Thank you. Thank you, coach. I appreciate it. And I think you might be an angel. So Barbara, so I really appreciate everything everyone has said. I the other piece I want to mention, and I know we don't have much time left in session, but I check back with chair Stevens about the bills that I have in his committee. And the one bill that he said was more likely to come up is the discrimination against people with criminal records. And that's specifically related to employment and housing, etc. And again, I would love to see that as a companion piece. But I just I don't know if that is I assume it will be not a slam dunk either. But again, we have really good data. And as Martin's prepping for the summer on both what's happened to people who have had their records expunged, and where they've passed these discrimination, anti discrimination laws. So I'm just hoping to Kate's concern that people will be open to looking at valid evidence based studies. So thanks. Yeah, thank you. And certainly we can, we can put that in the in the charge to justice oversight as something to look at. And then I can be writing a note I can check in with with chair Stevens about about that bill. Okay, thank you. So I'm going to skip now to to our joint hearing. So, coach, I'll have you take the lead and do your presentation. Does that does that work for you? Yes. Great. Oh, wow. Yeah. Okay. All right. So, okay, great.


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