Hey there friends, thanks for checking in. I'm making this video because I want to talk about certain things that viewers don't understand. There are a lot of assumptions out there that have come my way that I felt it important enough to address this because some of the things that are being said and some of the things that are assumed what is happening behind the scenes of this channel. I'm not speaking on behalf of anybody else because honestly, I don't know what anybody else is doing but I'm talking about this channel and me. I am a one-man show. I don't have a cameraman, I have a tripod, I don't have an editor, that's me. I come up with my own ideas. Although I do get a lot of suggestions, very much appreciated by the way and many times I make videos based on those suggestions. I don't work at a gun store. The guns that I feature primarily are mine and I often borrow guns to do certain reviews and comparisons. 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Hi everyone. This talk is called, does Fiat Shamir require a cryptographic hash function? My name is Fermi Ma, and I'll be giving this talk. This is based on joint work with Yulai Chen, Alex Lombardi, and Willy Flush. All right, so I'll be talking today about public coin interactive protocols. So we have a prover on the left and a verifier on the right, and the prover wants to convince the verifier that some kind of statement is true. So for instance, x is in three set or that it knows a witness for x. And the way the prover is going to do this is they're going to have a back and forth interaction with the verifier. So it sends over messages, these AIs, and the verifier responds by sampling uniformly random coins and sending them back. At the end of this interaction, the verifier determines whether or not to accept just based on the transfer below. There's no private randomness here. So there's two properties that we always want to satisfy. One is completeness and the other is soundness. Completeness says that if the statement is true, then the verifier should accept with probability one. And soundness says that if statement is false, then the verifier should reject with high probability no matter what the prover does, even if it deviates from the protocol. So we know that interaction is really powerful. There's a lot you can do with interaction. You can prove anything in PSPACE. You can prove things in zero knowledge. You can prove things distinctly. But we know that interaction is also quite impractical. It's a very unwieldy assumption to have to make that your two parties are going to wait for each other's messages to be received. So whatever possible, we want to do things non-interactively. And that brings me to the fiat smear heuristic, which in a nutshell is a magical compiler that somehow removes interaction from public coin interactive protocols. So here's how it works. The prover and verifier are going to agree on some fiat smear hash function h. And now the prover, instead of having a back and forth conversation with the verifier, is essentially going to simulate this conversation. And every time the verifier is supposed to send a random message, the prover is instead going to compute that message by applying the hash function h to the transcript of the interaction so far. So let's watch it happen. The prover computes the first message a1, then when it needs the next challenge, it computes h applied to a1, responds to a2, then for the next challenge, it computes that is h of a1, a2, and so on and so forth. And the prover can send all these ai's to the verifier. The verifier can just recompute all these challenges arrived by applying the hash to the transcript so far. And at the end, the verifier just decides whether or not to accept or reject based on whether or not the interactive verifier would have accepted or rejected. This has been an extraordinarily fruitful approach to constructing crypto. So the idea is you build some interactive protocol for desired functionality, such as identify yourself over the internet with someone. And then you apply fiat smear, you create a non-interactive protocol for the same functionality. The important question, of course, is when exactly does this transformation preserve soundness? So here's the intuition we have. We have some interactive protocol that sound when the ai's are chosen randomly and out of the prover's hands. And now the fiat smear hash function should essentially play that role. We don't have any guarantee of the protocol sound when the prover can pick the ai's for itself. But the fiat smear hash function should essentially bound the prover to not be able to come up with arbitrary good ai's that will allow it to fool the verifier. There's basically two known approaches for giving positive results for fiat smear. One is to treat the hash function h, essentially a random oracle. And you can show that in most cases, if the hash function is a random oracle, the fiat smear transformation is in fact sound. And more recently, there's been an exciting line of work showing fiat smear compilation in the standard model, in particular showing that when the hash function satisfies a property known as correlation interactability, there's a lot of interesting fiat smear compilations that you can do. But in all these cases, this fiat smear hash function h is a cryptographic hash function, and there is some sort of computational hardness coming from the hash function itself. In this work, we ask the question, is this really necessary? Is this necessary for sound fiat smear compilation? So our first set of results, perhaps surprisingly, are actually positive results. We show that some protocols don't seem to need cryptographic fiat smear hash functions. So in particular, what I mean by a simple non-cryptographic fiat smear hash function are things like, say, compute the bit decomposition of a vector. You have some vector over zq, and the bit decompose vector is just expanding out every single one of these zq elements into a bit string representation of them. Or for instance, a hash function that computes a linear function of its inputs. So these hash functions are clearly not satisfying any any obvious cryptographic properties. They're totally invertible. And yet we show that these hash functions compile protocols such as Lubyshevsky's AD protocol, Schnorr's protocol, Chompeter's in protocol, so various protocols of interest that we actually want to implement non-interactively. So I should mention that the first result of Lubyshevsky is in the plain model, whereas all of our group-based results are shown in the generic group model. Our second set of results are negative results, basically showing that cryptographic fiat smear hash functions are necessary for a whole bunch of other protocols, so particular protocols that do not include the ones that we gave positive results for. So we show that for a large class of three message honest verifiers of your knowledge arguments, you actually do need some kind of cryptography in your hash function in order to get a sound fiat smear compilation. So in a little bit more detail, we show that any fiat smear hash function that compiles these protocols must be something called mix and match resistant, which I'll get into in the second half of this talk. So example protocols as it applies to are, say, Blom's Hamiltonicity protocol, the GMW3 coloring protocol, and in fact a one bit challenge version of the Schnorr protocol. And all these protocols crucially are sound via parallel repetition. And so this is actually the sort of the dividing line between the protocols that we have positive results for and the ones that we show negative results for. Essentially all of our positive results are for protocols that already sound, already have negligible soundness error without any parallel repetition. And our negative results apply to protocols that achieve their soundness, achieve negligible soundness by a parallel repetition of a protocol with a small challenge space. All right, so in this talk, I'm going to first give a simple, almost toy example, showing that simple fiat smear compiler works for turning Lubbish have these three message ID protocol into a one shot non interactive ID protocol. And then I'm going to show the a little more details on the negative results and explain why some protocols do require a cryptographic fiat smear hash function. And I encourage you all to look at the paper for more details on how our group based results work because I'm not going to cover those in this talk. So let me start by recapping Lubbish has to get a deep protocol. And for those of you familiar with the group based schnorr protocol, this is essentially a lattice analog of that of the schnorr protocol. So here we have three parameters a r and y. So a and y are going to be these two public matrices is going to be a random wide matrix over ZQ. Y is going to be statistically close to random. And why is going to be computed based on sampling a short square matrix are so short meaning the entries are small, right multiplying that to a computing y. So if I left over hash on my Y is going to be statistically random. So the prover is going to post these, these public and why these public parameters, and to identify itself to someone else is going to prove that it actually knows are right. So the prove it should be the only person who's able to convince somebody because they're the only person who generated Y and you are. So how does the prove reduce first it's going to sample a short vector T and left multiply this by a. And it's going to compute this vector alpha and send us over essentially alpha is going to function as type of commitment to T. Next, the verifier is going to sample a challenge vector. So we want the entries of the challenge vector to also be short for simplicity. I'm going to pick them to be random and zero one. And finally, the prover's task is to compute T plus R times C right so it knows are it can multiply R by C and they can add T to this and essentially mask it. And so it's going to send over the Z and the verifier can check the Z is computed correctly by left multiplying by a. So in particular checks that a times Z is equal to alpha plus Y times C and more over the Z is short. So you can verify that if the prover indeed follows a protocol correctly then this check will pass that Z will be short because T is short R is short and C is short and that AZ equals alpha plus YC holds as long as the prover does everything correctly. So in the Fiat Shamir version of the protocol, of course, the prover is just going to apply the hash function H to alpha and it's going to use that in place of C. So let me just put that up. So in the non-interactive Lubitschewski protocol, it's essentially the same thing but now H of alpha is playing the role of C. So it just sends over alpha and C because the verifier can compute the middle message H of alpha for itself. And so finally the verifier accepts same condition as in the interactive protocol if Z is short and this condition is satisfied. So let's think about what do you want out of H to ensure that this is actually hard, right? So that if somebody comes along and just sees A and Y has no knowledge of what R is, they shouldn't be able to produce this non-interactive proof that they know R. So here's what we want, right? We want H such that if you see a random A and Y, it's going to be hard to find alpha and a short Z satisfying this equation, this condition that if satisfied the verifier will accept. So here is the key idea. Everything is in this box. So what you want to do is pick an H such that alpha is equal to G times H of alpha for some matrix G. So in particular, you want that the input alpha is some linear function of the output H of alpha. So alpha is equal to some matrix G times the output H of alpha. So one example of a choice of H that works is think about H being the big decomposition of vector alpha, right? Taking the vector alpha and taking every component and expanding out the big decomposition. Now you can pick G to be the so called gadget matrix. It was powers of two matrix, right? And now multiplying G by H of alpha recovers the original input alpha. So this is the G matrix to keep in mind here. So imagine we've set our Fiat smear hash function this way. H satisfies this property. It is the big decomposition function and satisfies this property. Then we can plug in alpha and replace that alpha vector with the G times H of alpha. And now all we have to do is rearrange. So now we're going to get minus A can catenate with G plus Y. And this times the vector Z can catenate with H of alpha is actually equal to the zero vector. But I claim now that we're actually done. This is all we wanted to show. That producing this alpha and short Z is now hard. And the reason is that A and Y are random, right? So for some fixed G, we're going to have that A can catenate with G plus Y is a random wide matrix. And if the adversary is able to convince the verifier to accept, then it also finds a short Z can catenate with H of alpha vector such that this vector times A can catenate G plus Y is a zero vector. And if you look at it, this is actually just a sys problem. I gave you a random wide matrix and you found me a short solution, a short pre-image of zero. So that's it. We're done. This shows that the non-interactive version of Lubyshevsky is sound as long as you use the bit decomposition function as your fiat smear hash function. So a brief aside on lattices, note here that the honest prover is actually able to compute this short solution, the sys solution. So in particular, it knows a short R is something AR equals Y and it computes a short solution. And if this sounds familiar, it's because it really is. So one fun fact, we've just re-derived lattice trapdoors. So the lattice trapdoors of MP12 and LW15 actually arise from applying fiat smear with the bit decomposition function to Lubyshevsky. So this is not at all how lattice trapdoors were derived in literature, but you actually could have arrived at them. You could have rediscovered them by trying to do fiat smear with a simple information theoretic hash function. And going a little bit further, if we want to talk all the way, talk about signatures, there's essentially two seemingly unrelated approaches to lattice signatures. And one is this GPV-based approach where this pre-image sampleable functions approach to computing signatures. And the other is the fiat smear-based approach by applying fiat smear to Lubyshevsky. And we show that essentially these two previously unrelated protocols or unrelated ways to getting lattice-based signatures are actually equivalent. If you instantiate the fiat smear with a particular bit decomposition-based hash function and then apply hash and sign with the random oracle. So thinking about fiat smear as simple hash functions allowed us to find this simple connection between the two way we know for constructing lattice signatures, which I think is a fun fact. All right, so that was a taste of the positive results. I encourage you to look at the paper for a lot more positive results, particularly all of our group-based results are deferred to the paper. I want to move on to the negative results in a particular, so I want to talk about why some protocols are going to require a cryptographic fiat smear hash function, exactly what that means. So I'm going to put up a generic sigma protocol, pi. So in a generic protocol, generic sigma protocol, the prover first sends a commitment alpha, gets a response beta, gets a challenge beta, and sends a response gamma. And in all of our positive results that I mentioned before, this challenge beta is sampled from some challenge space R that's really large, right? In the Lubishevsky example, for instance, beta is a random bit vector, so there's exponentially many choices for the challenge. But many important protocols, for instance, GMR, BLOM, GMW, the challenge space size is actually small. It could be two, it could be poly, and soundness actually requires parallel repetition, right? You send many commitments alpha one, alpha t, you get a lot of challenges, you send a lot of responses over. And so that's actually the protocol that you want to apply fiat smear to, right? You want negligible soundness, so you first parallel repeat the interactive protocol, and then you apply fiat smear to that. So the bad news here is that our positive fiat smear results do not apply to these protocols. So in particular, you can't really hope to have such a simple fiat smear compiler like we did in the previous part of this talk for protocols such as GMR and BLOM. So here's our theorem. We show that for many common secret protocols pi, in particular, ones that satisfy these three properties. First off, that beta is sampled from some polynomial size challenge space. The first message alpha is going to be pseudo random. And moreover, we have honest verifier zero knowledge, which is a standard property of single protocols. So if you have your protocol satisfying all these three properties, which are satisfied by most of the classic protocols in literature, then the fiat smear hash function h that compiles the ty's parallel repetition of the protocol must be cryptographic. So this deserves a little bit more explanation. But what does it mean for h to be cryptographic? Well, informally, what I mean is that you can use the hash function h to define a challenger adversary game with a computational statistical gap. All right. So here's the proof idea. For any hash function h, we're going to define something called the mix and match game. And to ensure that there's actually a computational statistical gap, we're going to show that any, that an inefficient adversary can almost always win this game. Then we show that if an efficient adversary can win the mix and match game, then it can break the fiat smear compiled version of this protocol. So what exactly is this mix and match game for the hash function h? So what we're going to do is have a challenger. It's going to sample a whole bunch of alpha ij, beta ij's, basically in a grid. So we're going to have, you know, t columns where t, this t here corresponds to the t, the number of parallel repetitions we have. And k is going to be some number of rows that we'll set in a bit. So we sample an alpha ij, beta ij pair and put it in each cell. And now the adversary is given this table of these randomly chosen alpha ij, beta ij's. And the adversary is challenged to find one cell in each column, such that if you apply the fiat smear hash function h to all the alpha ij's in those cells, then it spits out all the beta ij's in those cells. All right. So in particular, like if the adversary could win, if it finds, say, these green cells here, if h applied to all these alphas can catenate together, gives all those betas can catenate it together. And so we show that as long as the number of rows is asymptotically larger than the number of columns, then there exists a solution to this game with overwhelming probability. And this could be, this is true for any hash function h. That's what's interesting about this lemma. All right. So what remains to show is that if you have an efficient attacker for this mix and match game for a hash function h, then you can break soundness of the fiat smear protocol. So here's how the attack works. It's very simple. So first, what we're going to do is run the honest verifier zero knowledge simulator for the signature protocol. We're going to do this every single, for every single cell of the mix and match game. So we're going to build up this whole grid. And we're only going to place the alpha ij beta ij part of the accepting transcript in each cell. We're going to hide the gamma ij's. We're not going to give that to our mix and match attacker. So we come up with this whole grid, and we're going to run the mix and match attacker on this grid of inputs, the all these alpha ij beta ij's, and that attacker is going to tell us which cell in each column to use. And just by the design of the mix and match game, if the mix and match attacker is correct, then we're actually fine. We're happy and we can break the fiat smear protocol. In particular, by the guarantee of the mix and match attacker, if it wins, then h applied to all these alphas will give us all the corresponding betas. And therefore, for those betas, we actually have the correct final message gamma ij that would make the verifier accept. And so why does this work? Why does this attack actually succeed? Well, the mix and match attacker is actually expecting to see a randomly generated grid of alpha ij and beta ij's. That's not quite what we have here, but we are relying on the fact that the first message of the smear protocol looks pseudo random. And moreover, that we have an honest verifier as your knowledge simulator so that the distribution of the simulated transcripts looks just like the real distribution. So from the perspective of the mix and match attacker, it sees essentially, or computationally, a random grid. And so if it succeeds in the mix and match game, it will succeed on this pseudo random grid. And then if the attacker succeeds, as I just explained, then we're able to break fiat smear. We're able to break the fiat smear protocol. All right, so in summary, the answer to our title question is basically sometimes. Does fiat smear require a cryptographic hash function? Well, for some protocols, it doesn't. And for some protocols, it does. So I encourage you to look at the paper for a larger collection of results. There's only a small taste of what we do in the full paper. Thanks so much for your attention. Take care.


Hey Virgo, this is Kelly from House of Virgo doing your next 24 hours love reading. This will be for Virgo Sun, Moon Rising, or Venus. So some of the messages may or may not resonate. Just take a fit, leave the rest. This channel is strictly for Virgo. So welcome. If you are new, please do hit the like, share, and subscribe button. Okay, we're going to take a look at the person's energy with whom you may be connecting with. First, we're going to look at the past. Seven of cups, two of swords, and strength, and then the present. Three of swords, the justice card, and the ten of swords, and the future. We have the knight of cups, the four of swords, and you have the five of cups. Okay. Let's get your love messages. Let's see what your love messages are. For Virgo, what are Virgo's love messages? Virgo's messages. Okay, past life relationship. You have known each other before. So this connection definitely may, it may be a past connection, but it does have an element of where you and this person, there's something about like a familiarity to the two of you, a recognition. It's like you've known each other in a past life. When you came together, there were similarities. Could have been in looks. Could have been in, you know, it's just, I'm just like picking up that energy. It's like when you meet somebody and you say, have we met before, you may have felt that way about this person. Okay, what else? Let's see, passion. Allow your heart and soul to sing with joy. Okay, attention to the red flags. You know, I was feeling this card when I was shuffling. Their signs are cautioning you. Okay. Let go of control issues. Allow the situation to unfold naturally. All right, Virgo. Let's see what's going on here. Past life, relationship, passion. It's a very passionate connection for sure. That's an indicator that something about this connection might have been a lot of physical intimacy, very passionate. That might have been the ruling seem to the connection, but a lot of red flags here and it might have been some control that had developed some control issues. Let's take a look what the passion card is about here. Okay, queen of cups. So perhaps a water element connected here. Cancer Scorpio Pisces. What are these red flags? Okay, justice. Okay, somebody, well there was some truth. There was some truth that perhaps you weren't seeing. Some truthful red flags that perhaps you weren't seeing in this connection in the past. That's leverant energy. Okay. Let's get another clarifier. Oh, and now we have the king of cups. Cancer Scorpio Pisces energy. A lot of cup energy here. So if this person had water placement, very emotional type of a person that you were connected to no matter what sign but I feel like this king of cups did come with some red flags. I kind of feel like I'm just picking up this energy. Maybe legal problems, some legal issues with this person or something tied to maybe legal things that you perhaps you knew about but you weren't so sure.  Okay, or there was like some type of marriage or a divorce or something or maybe this person had like a bunch of marriages or never been married. There may be some major red flags with this person like of control issues. Okay, well the four of cups is here. So an element of emotional and unavailability. Okay, there might have been a desire to control this person to try to get. It almost feels like try to get this person to either you try to get them to open up, but there might have been like this person used control as a way to cover up for emotional unavailability. Okay. I'm not sure if you would understand what I mean by that kind of like they couldn't give the emotional connection. So they tried to control the relationship in other ways. Okay, just want to see past life relationship. Okay, yeah three of wands here. This is like waiting for your person to come back around. I feel like there's a karmic lesson here that needed to be learned or that needs to be learned about this connection. Now this doesn't have to be a lover like from yesterday's reading. This could be somebody else is somebody from your past or at any point in your in your life or with any person. Okay, but the past definitely I feel like a stronghold with this person. They kind of stalemated your relationship. They couldn't commit, couldn't make up their mind or compromise, knew that they needed to do something but were blocking it and the strength here makes me feel like it was like a stronghold to stalemate the relationship to kind of keep you waiting because this person could not either they had a lot of other options and you were one of them in the past and that too of swords energy just means like there was a decision that they needed to choose or they needed to make. They needed to decide pick a lane or to choose you or to go in a different direction. They couldn't make up their mind so they kind of stalemated it. Let's get some clarifying cards here. Seven of cups. Yep, four of swords just being very passive not taking any action about making up their mind or making a decision. It's interesting how these readings come out sometimes but that's commitment issues. This person just was very passive as far as like having to make a decision about the relationship. They were still maybe exploring their options in the past or just not willing to commit to anything kind of like had their head up in the clouds but not wanting to let go of you okay yet being unavailable for the emotional connection and the two of swords here. Okay so this person maybe kept promising in the past that love was coming or they were going to make an offer or yes you're going to get married or yes you know they're going to propose or yes they're going to agree to accepting your love that kind of thing. I feel like this person it was a tactic a stalemate kind of tactic or that you know yeah making this offer and you know I don't know how it's going to go but I'm making it anyway but they were purposely just trying I feel like it's terrible. I just feel like this person was just trying to like they were keeping you on the line like stringing you along. I don't know this might have been somebody from way way back or this might be resonating now with someone you're currently with but this is past energy. We have Leo here, there's Libra, the Knight of Cups is here twice and then we have Cancer Scorpio Pisces. Okay yeah it was basically like the stronghold was they wanted you to wait until it was time. When it was time I feel like that was the message they didn't want to let you go, they didn't want to lose you but they weren't willing to make a decision but they were kind of just like making these sweet offers like the Knight of Cups and whatever that might mean for you but it was like with the world card kind of or the Wheel of Fortune kind of like just stay strong just give it time when you know things will turn around things will change maybe they were waiting for money to come in or you know I don't know if they were giving you excuses they might have been but just kept saying when the time is right when things turn around for me or when things start changing you know then when things get moving trying to maintain their courage even this person I really feel like they truly in the past didn't have the courage to make change with you and so they were just kind of like leaving it to external circumstances okay five and ones right have a lot of challenges with this person and you know uncertainty and this person I do feel like was trying to realign themselves but they were also trying to be free at the same time they wanted to be free but they didn't want to lose you and it's like having their cake and eat it too I kind of feel like so the current energy is the three of swords justice and the ten of swords so I feel like the current energy is a breakup okay but I feel like this is this is their energy I don't feel like they're communicating this with you I feel like you're ending it in the present it's done there might be an argument the truth comes out about betrayal or being stabbed in the back or just like giving up the surrendering and I feel like I feel like this person's going to give up too in the present right let's take a look three of swords yep two of swords here you go again because nothing's happening with this person there's nothing happening okay maybe they're still married maybe we've been waiting for a divorce to come about and they just keep stalling and it's just not happening and for others it is happening with them okay it's two different storylines right give me a second here because I need to feel this energy here what's going on um yeah there you go so I do feel like you're putting an end to this because of the stalemate situation and you're just tired of waiting for these like false starts false hope false promises but in doing that I feel like that's when things are going to change for this person because you're pretty much putting an end to being a part of it and I feel like that's when things I don't know if it does something to this person they feel defeated and they finally go through with it some kind of divorce or a breakup king of wands is sitting here in the center aries leo uh uh Sagittarius okay this person might be connected to an aries uh leo a Sagittarius or um it's your person ten of swords yep they're gonna okay you guys like you're just I feel like you're strong arming back and you're just standing up for yourself and you're challenging this person as well maybe you have in the past and you just said you know I'm not waiting for you know you're just kind of being put on like the the long stick and you're not you're throwing those sticks back at your person you're not accepting this because for some of you it's been like two years seven years eight years that you've really been like it's been a long time however long it's been it's been a really long time with this person where you just kind of been waiting and waiting I feel like even though this is present energy I feel like there's going to be a final like ending whoever they're connected with or whatever's going on in their life that they are committed to um October or November possibly is when everything will go through fully okay but I feel like um this present energy or within three weeks time you're going to just be done with this and things start actually moving and changing and I see them here surrendering and trying to come back into alignment with you okay now even this next 24 hours this energy could be its fluids timeless so really the messages I'm giving are within the next 24 hours that I'm picking up this energy you know this present from the time you watch it up until the the near future and these changes happen I feel like this person going forward um whether they give up on you and give up on this I know yesterday's reading was this person's not going to give up on you but I feel like and I think I said in yesterday's reading they're going to keep trying but I feel like those tries aren't going to work for you because nothing's really coming from it it's just still maybe to keep you attached to them but I feel like Virgo your present energy whether you no matter what I just feel like you put your foot down in this connection not only within your heart and your mind but with this person and you just tell them I'm ending it here because you just keep me in this stalemate position and you're not working with me it takes two to tango maybe there's a third party whatever it might be even if it's in your head or even if you're suspecting it you know when you're with someone who's giving you love and reassurance and safety and security you don't ever suspect that so if they're not giving you that of course that's what you're going to think and it very well could be what's going on um you know this person again with the three of cups could very well just be you know you might be ending it because they just have a lot of flirtations going on with others that you sense or you see okay so that defeats them I don't know who this person is that you're dealing with but they're defeated they're crushed and then in the they come back because they're grief grief stricken because they lost you they lost you to those three cups right I feel like burger you were like if you know if you want to have your three cups go have your three cups I'm not going to hold you back I'm going to let go of my control issues and allow the situation unfold unfold naturally I'm not going to tell you what to do you go ahead and I don't know that you're giving this person threats or anything but I think like in your heart in your mind you're just done you're just done because you can't control them and you can't fix anything you can't make this person love you okay but here they come with the night of cups again depressed grief stricken oops you know that four of sorts usually the four of sorts is like renewal retreat rest but this it feels to me like you know stuck in bed just depressed and sad and trying to come back in to reconnect with you now what we want to know is this legit is this like for real or are they just sad because they couldn't hold you in place like as a placeholder four of wands is here now no it's real it's the real deal I think you just needed to stand and ground with this person and probably say something because they are coming in with this night of cups and the four of wands which the four of wands I mean come on that's like a reunion that's like they really do want to see you they really do want to commit and get married and do all of that all that stuff okay come to your home that's a reunion have you visit them you know spend time together in the home they feel like they're you know it's the tables have turned you're turning the tables on this person you're challenging this person and to make the change to get some courage to make the change to come towards you you're challenging them to do that and I feel like that has been something on your mind and I see in the present you're doing that with them because it's really not fair to keep you in a stalemate position because it feels like you know okay yes I love you don't want to marry I want to be with you and telling you all this nice stuff and then it's like but I'm not sure it's confusing it's mixed messages and if you're feeling confused about this it's because your person is giving you confusing messages but they're like they're kind of like tricking they're they're kind of like they're taking a poop cake and they're putting sweet icing on it and you can't see what's inside but I feel like you're either you woken up to it or you're waking up to it now and you're done okay yeah this person definitely is going to make this offer and they're going to patiently wait for you to give them an answer okay they are they're going to make the offer and they're going to wait for your answer they're not going to push you okay they're not going to push you but I don't know that you're going to get the answer because I'm not sure you trust it because this is the boy who cried wolf usually it's you know the boy who cries wolf three times but this is like two times this person has cried wolf two times so is there trust why is the five cups here the devil yeah I don't think you're gonna I don't think you're gonna accept the offer that they come in with because they wore out their welcome yep you're gonna blow them apart the ego that devil energy there too that's that ego bergo are you going to make this person suffer or pay or just just I mean not intentionally but just say I'm sorry but you know I keep there's not enough room in this bed for me you and your ego and I think you're going to blow the roof off of it the hangman yeah in the star you're on a healing journey here you've got like a brand new perspective going forward and I feel like this person's going to see that as well you just very well might be the one who actually got away I think you're going to be the one who gets away and it's kind of heartbreaking in some ways because I know you love this person and you didn't want to lose them but you don't you're not going to sacrifice your standards and be lied to or manipulated or just dealt with casually every time they come back around so I think I don't know for some of you not all of you this might not resonate for all of you but for some of you you might just decide that you're out and you might just decide that like you've seen enough red flags yes you have passion for this person yes you were willing to wait because you felt that connection with them you know um but you're letting go of things and I feel like there's a part of you that's really becoming indifferent your heart is becoming indifferent to this now because it was an element of maybe you felt like you were being taken advantage of for a long time two months anywhere from two months to eight years somewhere in there okay it was a long time and for others of you you know you know your timeline if it's longer than that you know then it's longer than that let's see Queries Pisces Scorpio Capricorn Aries Leo Sagittarius okay Libra all right let's see what is the love message from this person what is the love message I can still see you standing there Virgo's like well all you see is like my dust because I am not standing there don't worry it'll all drop down to the ground because I am out it seems like you're disappearing and just leaving dust leaving footprints that's it I hide behind material things okay put away the computer working less will help strengthen your relationship I feel like this person works a lot and they just kind of like are they're always on the computer always on their phone they hide behind material things so they don't have to have that emotional connection I took the easy way out okay yeah I'm not giving you the truth I'm just kind of keeping you there okay this reading is harsh you know we get a couple good readings and then we get the truth bomb pops out and then it's like what the heck's going on I just want to pull a couple more angel wisdom because I'm just picking up the energy now listen like I said this don't let this be your story if it's not your story if this is resonating for you in the sense where you're listening and you're like that's it that's my story I just needed this confirmation that's what I knew was going on deep in my intuition but if if you're just like kind of on the fence about your situation you don't have enough information and so you're just trying to put the pieces together and this is kind of resonating just let it kind of resonate and just give it more time until you figure out what's going on with you because I feel like these messages are really meant for someone who has been seeing some stuff but they've been dealing with some trickery and someone who is not being authentic and truthful with them and they could feel it but they couldn't put their finger on it all I can tell you is if you're listening to this message and you've said to yourself throughout the course of this relationship or marriage or whatever that something has always felt off then this is the message for you if you've never said that to yourself this is not your message okay that's the only way I can clarify that that they're giving me here if it has felt off something felt off then this is the message for you okay what else okay wise counselor unity with a spiritually minded community asks the divine for help trust the answers will come compare traditional methods with new ideas to see which is best for you okay this is Hierophant energy okay so this is conformity this is conventional expectations the Hierophant talks about marriage it's Taurus energy and it also talks about seeking counseling if you need to get more clarity about a situation that you're in okay and ace of swords brilliant ideas that may need refinement this is also a card of new conflict but trying to under overcome the conflicts and it's also about getting mental clarity overcoming obstacles with faith that everything will work out communicate clearly and concisely and remain objective and for some of you I feel like you need to tell this person like you have to you've got to say it you know some of you need to get closure and you're waiting for closure but you're not getting it because this person's not going to give you closure because they're not done with you yet they're not ready to be with you so you have to get the closure or you have to give the closure yourself and you have to say to this person look you're not investing anything you just keep giving me lies and you just keep holding on to me and it's stalemating and all this time's going by and I need to get on with my life and open myself up to somebody who is willing to go the distance and I feel like you may need to have that conversation and then choose and then if you choose to leave and you're done with it then be done with it like just be done with it make that commitment to yourself that you're not going to go back and the only way that you would accept them back is if you see evidence of change okay transformation that's what I was saying significant life experience that requires changes to be made powerful and often unexpected revelations breaking free releasing old belief systems and that is uh that's the tower again that's it and that's like I said will this person make the changes when you blow the ego off of them and tell them that you know it's you're involved with you've been in a relationship with them in this devil energy will they break those changes will healing come I feel like they will see it I do but they're not going to see it and nothing's going to change if you just allow it to stay in a stalemate when you grow when you start growing this might be something you need to do and you're just fearful because I know some of you're like but what what if I make a mistake or what if this person you know what if I'm wrong you're doubting yourself and that's why you're here listening to this reading you don't have to doubt yourself what you feel like what your intuition is telling you is correct you have to trust it and sometimes you do have to make the change and make the growth when you start growing when you start changing people around you change situations around you start changing okay and whatever's not changing and growing with you is not meant to go with you okay and then you start ascending very few people will go with you on that ascension that's why you have to form that community of people who have your who give you the support that you need especially if you have to get out of a particular relation now this doesn't have to be a lover just remember this your love life could still be yesterday's reading this could be about a family member you know or an ex or a friend okay so it really just depends if you need to listen to it again take some time to listen to it again because something may you may be reminded and say wait no this is about my person or you may say wait no this is my whomever brother sister father mother best friend cousin landlord boss whoever it might be right because it is love but it is about relationships all right Virgo so I'm going to leave that reading there for you I hope you enjoy that link in the description box below if you would like a personal reading and please do hit the like and subscribe button on your way out all right I'll see you tomorrow Virgo take care


Ladies and gentlemen, brothers and sisters, everyone watching us tonight. Asalaamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. Welcome to episode 17 of your favorite show, hashtag LNT with your favorite man, Ahmad Ali, and we do welcome you to another live episode from the Holy Siri of Karbala. And of course I'm happy, I'm excited, I'm hyped. For tonight's episode, because honestly tonight, we're gonna change the lives of many, many, many people and trust me when I say that. But tonight, before we jump into what the topic is for tonight, let's go check out what's popping and we'll be back in a few seconds. So let's go. So welcome back to the viewers, inshallah. That what's trending and we should, we should have another one, what's popping. But yeah, we can't throw a lot of jokes tonight.  So you'll know why later when we get to talk about today's episode, you'll know why. But anyways, what's trending for today? Now, Donald Trump has warned Russia in a tweet. So now official warnings and official statements are being tweeted. They're not being said through press, they're being tweeted. So hamdallah, we're improving. But for the, he warned Russia to get ready for US missile strikes against its ally, Syria, due to the chemical weapon attack on Saturday, which killed almost 500 civilians close to Damascus, a town close to Damascus. Now, Trump tweeted saying that get ready, Russia, because they will be coming. Nice and new and smart. You shouldn't be partners with a gas-killing animal who kills his people and enjoys it. Now, the Russian foreign ministry, they said that Damascus has needed the motive to use chemical weapons, nor chemical weapons themselves. There is no proof for their use by Damascus, by Damascus meaning Bashar Assad. So the Russian senior parliament want to see Assad to check up on the situation or they're probably smuggling them out of the country. We never know, but we'll get to see what the news has for us in later shows or in later news. But what else is trending? Very special news for you guys today. The construction of almost the biggest cruise ship has just sailed from Barcelona, Spain, on its initial voyage around the Mediterranean. Now, that's huge. 1,188 feet long and it's huge. 2,759 cabinets, 24 pools and 22 restaurants. It's huge, huge, look at that. That's beautiful. We need to go. I need to take Alan T. Krug and go on that cruise either on my budget or on the budget of the channel. We gotta see what's good, but check that out. Whoever goes there, you need to take a selfie and send it to hashtag Alan T. Because that's beautiful. Anyways, anyways, anyways. That's it for what's trending today. Let's go check out what today's topic is and trust me, you're gonna like it. So there are consequences for almost everything we do. Now, these consequences are either positive or negative depending on the act that we commit or the act that we do. When a person does something good, he is rewarded.  The reward you'll get is either a thanks or a money reward which actually happened to me once. I took the dog, it was our neighbor's dog, came into our backyard and then I took it back with the owner and he gave me like 20 bucks. I was like 14, 15 at that time. But anyways, that was just to throw that out. But anyways, so there are a lot of ways that you can be rewarded. We don't wanna get through all of them but I mentioned too, either a thanks or it'll give you like five bucks or $10 or whatever. Anyhow, on the other hand, there are negative consequences for the person who does something wrong. Now, and there are punishments depending on what they do and it depends on what they do. And for example, if your children get bad grades, he or she is either being grounded and wow. When brown or black people see that or hear that, and subhanAllah, the guy in the picture is white. He's not even brown nor black cause we don't get grounded. We get something else, we're not trying to throw any jokes out. But the kid, the boy gets his PlayStation taken away or the girl gets her phone. Conference kid for a few days, typical punishment. What's so bad about that? Children are happy and they ask why children are stubborn or why they act in a different way. But tonight, we're not talking about grounding your children or confiscating your child's phone temporarily. We're talking about incarceration. We're talking about those bars, those handcuffs, those bars right there. This guy probably regrets every moment in his life for getting back into, wow. He's firmly holding the bars trying to break through. Although, who breaks through? We'll get to actually talk about that. This guy broke the world record I will talk about later. But we're talking about criminals, AKA convicts, who get to go to jail, convicts go to jail. And depending on the level of crime that they've done, various levels of crime that they've done, the more severe, typically the more severe, the more time they get to spend, and less severe, less time they get to spend.   Give me this cam. Give me this cam. I have a message to send.   Think twice before you do or say something, because we don't want our brothers and sisters going to jail. We're trying to be jail-free, because a lot of bad stuff does happen in jail just to throw it out there. We don't want to get into, we don't want to get into detail, but yeah, why am I laughing today? It's not for a lot. Today is a sorrowful day, but jail and the inmates that go to jail have plenty of time to reflect on why they got there in the first place. And trust me, a lot of people, they regret every second for them spending or every second that they've committed the crime. When the sentence is over, the inmate, the convict, if you will, is released. He's set free, just like a bird, either for a day or 10 years or a life prison. You know, a life prison, you get to die, but you know. So, but does the convict actually learn something from his imprisonment? In other words, is prison an effective punishment? And that's your question for tonight. The guys are on point today. I love them. Is prison an effective punishment? Beautiful, and the number is? Pop right there.  Plus nine, six, four, seven, seven, four, zero, six, seven, 18, 36. Now a lot of people might ask herself, yeah, I'll give you a second to jot down the number. Yeah, give me that camera right there. A lot of people are asking, we're showing the number, the question at the bottom and the number, what do you do with that? What do you do with that question? Is prison an effective punishment? So what you do with that question, first you need to get your phone out, dial the number, plus nine, six, four, seven, seven, four, oh, six, seven, 18, 36, and before that you get to open WhatsApp and then dial in there. So when you do that, you give us a call and you let us know what your opinion is on today's topic which is, is prison an effective punishment? And I'll love you guys forever, trust me when I say that. I love a lot of people, but anyways, we'll go back. Tonight's question, is prison an effective punishment? All you gotta do is pick up the phone down the number shown below and send us, or you can call, send us a voice or written message at the same number. You can even send us a snap if you want. Comment on our Facebook page because we are live on Facebook at Imam Hussain 3TV or at hashtag LNT or at LNT.show. You can check out our live broadcast there. Leave a comment, like, share, do all that good stuff, give us the reactions, give us the smiley with the hearts, give us thumbs down, no, no thumbs down, thumbs up because tonight you are about to learn a lot of things but before we get to learn a lot from the teacher, we gotta take a short break and be back very short. Do stay tuned. So welcome back, dear viewers and we do remind everyone that we are live from the holy city of Karbala. The guys are recording a time lapse for the show so shout out to the cameraman and the technician. But tonight's show to remind everyone is prison and effective punishment. So what do you think? In your opinion, do you think that it is or do you think that it isn't? And you can get to tell us via WhatsApp, you can call us at the number shown below. You can send us an audio or written message and we will share that inshallah on tonight's episode. But let's get the statistics because for me, I love statistics. I love statistics. Now according to BBC survey done a while ago, 50% of the people say that yes, prison is an effective punishment and 50% say no. Now first, we have to understand prison is not gonna change the person's behavior or the criminal's behavior that goes behind bars. A lot of people have this dilemma in their mind that if a person does go to jail, supposedly he's supposed to change and he's supposed to become a better person. Governments has placed jail so they can get the criminals off the streets, not make them better. You know what I mean? So is the point clear enough? I need a yes or no answer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we just got the yeah, we just got the yeah. My point is clear, alhamdulillah. But there are actually five generally accepted goals of sentencing. Now first, we have a retribution, deterrence, restoration and rehabilitation. And the first three are, you know, they're accompanied or they're primarily accompanied with incarceration. So change can. All right. Now we all know that individuals who commit crime create what's known as a social debt.  It's paid back by a penalty. And that penalty is you go to jail, not you guys, but the person who comes to the crime goes to jail. That's how the person pays that debt, the social debt, if you will. That being said, there is no credible research showing that punishment in general is an effective way to reduce individual's risk of repeating the criminal behavior in the future. Actually, the opposite is true. When a low risk individual goes to jail, and for example, if a person goes to rob a simple gas station, rob some candy or whatever, I don't think you go to Jeff or Candy, but probably they take your name anyways.  You're gonna come out either very violent or very scarred from the stuff they do to you. But so that just increases the level of criminal behavior that the low risk individual will actually do after they come out. But we have a very nice segment for you guys today, and it's called Ask the Public. So let's go see what the public has to say about tonight's question. Take us away. I don't think the prison is the right way to re-abiditate people because you're putting criminals in a place with other criminals where they can learn how to do more crime. Basically, I think it's to create their behavior and things like that, you know, just to give them a chance in life and things like that. Yeah, that was a nice 30-second break. But yeah, these guys actually mentioned something nice because they just said what I said. Prison isn't effective that much because you're putting someone who is low risk with someone who is high risk, and then that person who actually picked pockets, now you can rob a bank, thanks to the guy in jail. But going back, so prisons are an important part of our response to crime, but not for the reason that many people believe. As I mentioned earlier, they provide a reasonable way of punishment for offenders. But this shouldn't be confused with the strategies that need to be placed for the offenders. Now, a lot of people think that, you know what, if a person does commit a crime and he does go to jail, that period of him going to jail is going to correct his manners, correct his way of thinking, and he won't commit the crime in the future. And that's a very important point because a lot of people think it doesn't. Now, what are the alternatives? What are the alternatives? I think we're getting a few text messages, but we'll get them on the screen soon, inshallah. Now, what are some of the alternatives? One is to rely less on the incarceration and more on research-based methods, proving to actually work for the betterment and the rehabilitation of the criminals. We're not saying that, you know what, instead of putting them to prison or the suitable punishment, take them to mental institutions in Iraq.  But what we're trying to say, that there is a national institution of corrections that has put together a great deal of information about evidence-based practices shown to actually reduce the risk of re-offense. This is actually very important. And very important to actually consider because these essential points here tell us that simply in incarcerating someone does not really change behavior. It simply drives it underground and makes people more persistent about hiding their crimes from others. And that's actually true because when you do go to jail, you tend to learn a lot of stuff of hiding your identity. If you're not a professional criminal, you get to hide their identity. But what do we need to do instead of changing the offenders' thoughts? We need to change their thoughts. We need to change their feelings and beliefs that contribute to criminal behavior. We just have received a text message from Jumana from Tanzania. She says, my second cousin went to jail for robbery and after he got out, he robbed again and went back. I guess he didn't learn his lesson.  Thank you for joining us tonight. Jumana from Tanzania. Right there, that's another point to prove my point regarding that jail isn't the best alternative. We're not saying don't put people in jail. Absolutely not. Put them in jail. But alongside jail, there needs to be a solution. We just mentioned that. The National Institution of Corrections, they brought information, I'll repeat that, the National Institution of Corrections, they brought together information about evidence-based practices and they're saying what we need to do to offenders is change their thoughts, their feelings and beliefs that contribute to criminal behavior. One very promising way to do that is through the Cognitive Behavioral Treatment, CBT, which essentially helps offenders change their thinking. This is, for me, I believe this is a very wonderful way to actually change their behavior. In return, it leads to positive change in behavior. When they feel like the pro-social behaviors, they are more likely to engage in those behaviors as well. For example, if you talk to someone about contributing to society instead of making clients, instead of telling them how to grow their personality, telling them how to actually become a person who can benefit society, and we do remind everyone to call us tonight and contribute in our show tonight and answer the question, is prison an effective punishment? Honestly, I'm going to sentence you guys to jail because you guys aren't sending and we're only Jumana being set free.  So now, that's enough for incarceration and CBT. We have another segment for you, a new segment for you and a lot of new segments, hashtag LNT is growing baby, it's growing. And tonight, we have our very dear friend and guest, Sheikh Usama Al-Apar, who's the expert for tonight and telling us and answering the question for tonight as the expert. So let's go see what he has to say. Bismillah, Rahman, Raheem Wa Alhamdulillah, Rabbil Al-Alamin, Wa Sallallahu Alaa Muhammadin Wa Alaa Ali Al-Tayyibin Al-Tahireen. Is prison an effective punishment? In today's world, people are put into prisons but they are not given any educational value and such, when they go to the prison, they come out and they find it extremely difficult to find a job. They find it extremely difficult to find a residence. In some countries in the world, a credit rating is required before you can find a residence, you find a job, they ask you for a resume, they ask for experience and for a person who just come out of prison, many countries unfortunately cannot provide the resources required such an individual can start a new life. So what may end up happening is this individual going back to the prison because he or she may commit a crime again. What needs to happen is the government system needs to really take a look at initiatives to prevent the causes for people getting into prison. Educational system. People need to have access to education. People need to have access to food and water. People need to have access to the health care. People need to be given support resources. Single parents for example must be given all the resources required for parenting, for education, financial needs, sheltering and so on and so forth. The basics need to be provided to people. Providing these basics will minimize the criminal records of societies. That's why we find in a truly Islamic system like that of Rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wa ala and Amir al-Mu'mineen alaihi salam there were no prisons even in fact at the time of the Khulafa there were no prison system. In fact Imam alaihi salam had prisons that were made of sugar cane where people used to break and run loose. So we really need to use prisons as educational experiences and solve the root causes for people going into them. Wassalamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh. Thank you very much Sheikhnaan. We do thank him on behalf of Viewed Your Viewers and on behalf of Hashtag LNC for joining us tonight as the expert for tonight's episode. And the question is is prison an effective punishment? We just have received an audio message from Zayna from Zayna from the USA. What does she say? The answer to tonight's question is prison an effective way of punishment in my opinion it is.  No sunlight, they don't take you out. Well in some cases they do but in many cases they don't.  It's gonna make you think of what you did.  You know? And there's a program here in the US where they take bad kids and they lock them up I think for about two weeks. And in the end these kids really do end up, you know, thinking straight. It really does have an effect on them. Okay, thank you very much. You have a lot of information about incarceration but we do thank you for joining us tonight. But another person who also has a lot of information about incarceration is Al Chapo. Who does it know? Al Chapo. Al Chapo who is a well-known Mexican drug cartel. So back in July this guy said, wow, how do you become a drug lord when you're that size? Your head's huge, man. Look at this mustache. His head looks like a pair. I didn't want to say that but the co-producer told me to say that.  What are we doing?  So Al Chapo Guzman, a leader of a vis-ish, vis-ish, a vis-ish drug cartel in Mexico, this guy escaped through a ventilating system, a tunneling system, and he had to travel almost a mile in that ventilating system, which ended up in a half-built house a mile away from the prison. This guy, he managed to escape, but I think they got him back into prison. Anyways, now, next we have is Brian Larson. This name might not sound familiar, but if you go search on Google who Brian Bo Larson is, this guy, you'll find him that this guy escaped prison. I think this guy, instead of actually making him a prisoner and a convict, they should use him to make him use him to help them better their security, because this guy escaped 22 times from prison. The first time he went to prison was 1989 when he was eight for petty theft, and he robbed a gas station at the age of 13. Wow, this guy has a record. At the age of eight petty theft, at the age of 13, robbing a gas station went to foster care, and he started his long career of jail breaks in 1989 when he escaped prison 14 times between 1990 and 2000. In one domestic escape in 2000, he stole a car, a hot pursuit with cops, and he ended up crashing the car getting out of the car and running away. I think there's a video of that on YouTube. We couldn't get it for copyrights' issues, but so crazy. We don't even know if he's going to break through for the 23rd time, but he was sent back to jail, and this guy should be given a Guinness World Record for 22 times breaking out of jail. We only see that in movies, but we have received another audio message from Montadol from Canara. What does Montadol say? Peace be upon you. Peace be upon you as well. I hope you're doing well, nor that it won't take too much of your time. I'll go straight to answering your question, which is concerning prison being a good form of punishment. My belief, and I believe as well, in the belief of the Islamic literature and the prophetic traditions that no, it is not a positive form of punishment for there are other ways in order for us to, in order for an individual to repent the sins. The way that it is dealt here in the West, the way that prisons are dealt, it's not really a positive way to enforce said punishments for I believe that there are other ways and maybe in a different discussion, we can consider the other ways. Since I was told I only have less than a minute. So, salamu alaykum. Thank you very much, brother Montadol from Canara for joining us tonight and our very dear friend from Canara, Montadol Al-Haddad for joining us tonight on tonight's question. Now, one second, we do remind viewers in the last couple of minutes of tonight's episode, we have three to five minutes left to call in and let us know what you guys think. Now, the third segment for tonight, inshallah, is about, you know, getting the viewpoint of Ahl al-Bayt, alayhim salam and what they have said in this regard.  Tonight is the martyrdom of our seventh Imam, it's the eve of the martyrdom, of Imam Musa Al-Kawam, peace and blessings be upon him, the seventh Imam, ninth infallible of Ahl al-Bayt, alayhim salam. Honestly, beautiful shrine, beautiful. May Allah SWT give us the ability to go and visit his shrine. But Imam Musa Al-Kawam, what can we say about him?  Imam Musa Al-Kawam lived in a prison, tens of feet below ground, and it just breaks the heart when we try to mention the time he spent in the torture and the oppressions that he underwent in prison by the Abbasid Caliphs. Imagine iron locking on your feet 24-7. Imagine losing track of when it is daytime and when it is nighttime. Imagine the only treatment you get is cruelty. Imagine through all of that, you are alone. We are incapable of imagining that. Because honestly, it just breaks the heart for someone that you know that had to go through that. But honestly, the Apostle of Allah had to go through that only because of jealousy for power that Imam Musa Al-Kawam, a lot of people might ask, you know what you're talking about, imprisonment, and is it a good punishment while you're talking about Al-Kawam, Imam Al-Kawam, Al-Islam? Imam Al-Kawam was imprisoned for absolutely no reason other than being quiet in Medina. He was exiled to Baghdad and imprisoned for over 20 years under harsh punishment. Now, the only thing that Imam Al-Kawam, Al-Islam, I would like to share a story before we go and end tonight's episode. One time they tried to see if the Imam would fall for their, you know, deviation or fall for them. So they sent a dancer, a belly dancer to the Imam Al-Islam, to prison to see if the Imam would get seduced by her. She can seduce the Imam. And what happened is when they sent her down there, a couple of hours later they came back to see her, to see what's going on and they saw her worshipping behind the Imam.  So imagine what the Imam could have done to the hearts of millions of the Shia around him. But eventually he was poisoned by the Abbasid Caliphs and it's, inshallah, none of you would have to go through prison. Honestly, it's pretty bitter. And you know, you'll take the advice of Ahmad Ali on hashtag and then see in the late night talk and think twice before you do anything. That's it for tonight, guys. And don't forget to watch us live every other day from Monday, Wednesday and Saturday. 1030 Karbalat time, 730 GMT time and 830 London time. Thank you very much for joining us tonight. Wassalamu alaikum warahmatullahi wabarakatuh.