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Good morning. It's June 23rd, 2021. It's Wednesday. It's 11 o'clock. Can mean only one thing. Time for What Now, America? I'm Tim Apachele, your host. The title of today's show is COVID Delta Variant May Hit Red States Hard. Right now, we're looking at a variant called the Delta Variant. It is 60 percent more transmissible than the initial COVID-19. It's said that if you have two shots of either Moderna or Pfizer, that you're 88 to 90 percent protected from this Delta Variant. If you're one shot in, you're only 49 percent effectively protected. Right now, the cases in the United States is about 20 percent of this Delta Variant, and it is described that it's COVID on steroids. It's a lot more potent. It's a lot more deadlier. For whatever reason, it's now affecting the 35-year-old population down to the younger population. It's not just an old folks variant. It's hitting everybody and certainly those that are younger. I'd like to introduce our guests. Today, we have Jay Fidel and Stephanie Dalton. Thank you for joining us on What Now, America? Yeah. Nice to see you, Tim. Good to see you too. Jay, before I go to a question here, I want to read something Dr. Fauci said yesterday, and he was coded to say, every death from COVID-19 is avoidable, and it's a tragedy when it happens. It is on us to get those who are hesitant about getting a vaccine because they want more information, the information they need to make the decision. Unfortunately, however, there are some who continue to pollute the space with nonsense, pushing people in opposite direction. Let me get your reaction to that quote, and then I have a follow-up on that. I've come to feel that hesitancy, at least in most cases, is a euphemism. I don't know why we use that term for people who have politicized it and who listened to the misinformation, disinformation, and outright lies that are being disseminated to them about the vaccine. It's a matter of life and death, and it's their lives and their deaths. I mean, could that be more persuasive? Yet, it's out of Jonestown, it's out of a suicidal wish, quite remarkable, but they're still quote, hesitant about saving their own lives. We have certain parts of the country which are demographically red states and Trump states and base states, and states in which this has been politicized to most of the populations. Quite remarkable that people, I don't know what's in their minds. I don't know why they come to a conclusion that puts their lives at risk. Well, let me interrupt you right there, Jay. Is Dr. Fauci doing us a disservice by taking the high road that say that those who have not been vaccinated are hesitant about information, whereas in the truth of the matter, in a lot of red states, they're not hesitant at all. They've made up their minds, and that mind is I'm not taking the vaccine because either I believe in Donald Trump and what he wants me to do, or it's a conspiracy to take this vaccine. Well, I've come to this conclusion over the past few weeks, that the government is never going to be inclined to create a public panic, and the government is gonna be careful about saying that we're in a surge that will kill thousands, tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people. It's just not gonna do that. So it's very soft, it's very euphemistic, including Tony Fauci, and I understand that, but we here, us guys, we should understand that the government doesn't wanna create a panic, and it's therefore gonna soften its message, and I think that is the reality. You know, right now I'm traveling in the Northeast, I'm in Rhode Island right now, and you wouldn't know that there was a pandemic. There are no masks anywhere in stores and restaurants, indoors, there's none, and maybe that's because the Northeast states, particularly Vermont, I believe it is, 85 to 90% vaccinated. So the percentage of the Northeast states is well above 60, broaching 70%, that President Biden was looking for by July 4th. Now, compare that to some of the red states where they're well below 35%. And so Dr. Fauci just said today that 300 people are dying each day right now, according to John Hopkins. And that number has to go up. The more of these, the Delta variant becomes part of the commonplace replacement for COVID-19. That number has to go up by definition. I mean- Let me add another thought before you go to Stephanie and that is this, the government is also telling us, as you mentioned in some detail, that if you've had a couple of shots with Pfizer or Moderna, you're pretty well protected. But we're only out of the box for most people by what, three months or four months max. And what kind of database do we have? Well, have we had the opportunity to examine how this works? Delta is only in the United States, it's only a month old, maybe less. So the bottom line is we have no experience factor on which to make the conclusion that most people who have had two shots are protected. I'm not sure that's true. I will know a lot more about it as we go on for a few months. But right now, what you have to do is the math and you realize that that cannot be necessarily the case. Okay, well, you're right, Jay. We don't know everything, but there is a sum to more argument and not always a valid form of argument, but in Florida, there were a cluster of people infected by the Delta variant. And two individuals were killed, four are in the hospital, Sirius in ICU's, but there were two employees of this group that were fully vaccinated with Pfizer and they weren't affected at all, yet they were in the same office airspace. So I'm not gonna extrapolate this situation to other situations that may or may not involve the Delta variant, but it's hopeful that a two dose Pfizer or Moderna shot is actually will blunt the harmful effects of this Delta variant. No, it's a gradient. You know what I mean? We don't know exactly what the degree is. Maybe yes, maybe somewhere in the middle. And I just, I don't think we know yet. I wouldn't take the, you know, last night my wife and I went out to dinner. We haven't done that a lot and we wore masks most of the time.  But what about you, Stephanie? How do you feel? I just raised a scary prospect, Tim.  And we all are, if it's possible, that we're gonna find out there's a degree of us that are still vulnerable, even though we have our shots and have followed the directions. So we'll have to wait and see on that. But I think to the vulnerability of these states with these low levels of vaccination is very frightening because this could really grab hold of those people and take them where they don't wanna go and get their healthcare systems in trouble. And I have also heard that there's great concern for those states as they are tending to be rural in the South and that they are also very limited for healthcare. So there are very few healthcare facilities throughout those states anyway for anything. So the whole notion is, I mean, they're not running in there when they've got the flu or a cold or some asthma or something like that, they're not used to having access to medical facilities and therefore they're not getting the guidance and they're not hearing the caring concern for the population and being given the advice that this is something that's very important to do. And that's also because of their politics. I mean, they go back to the Obamacare and how many of these states didn't take the expansion of Medicare and still some are fighting over that, that they're not gonna take it even though the residents are pleading to take it because it'll make a such a big difference in the numbers of people who can afford to have healthcare from that. So there is. Stephanie, your answer really highlights kind of a question that's just come in from a viewer but your answer highlights the fact that because we have such political polarization that maybe the federal government has backed off on enforcement or trying to work closer with states to say we need to be more stringent about trying to contain this variant or the original COVID-19, which of course was never done under Donald Trump's administration. But because of the political polarization there's a hesitancy to do so. So I lead to the question from one of our viewers and we appreciate this viewer's comment here is the Philippines president threatens to arrest those who refuse the vaccine. Will America have to resort to these same drastic measures? Well, we have missed the boat on building that unity, that unifying intention, that broad community understanding that we're all in this together. We never got that boat. The train left the station long before there was any building of that consideration for us all together helping each other out. It's been exactly what you say polarized in the opposite. So now we also have Mitch McConnell coming up and saying, well, no, he's not voting for any federal drastic requirement for everybody to lock step and go fascist. And so he's bringing up again that we don't want that federal intervention, don't want anything that's gonna tell everybody to do it the same way because there's absolutely no values being built. And we evidently have no norms left from the days when we did act out as a country together like after 9-11. Everybody was a part of that recovery and everybody was affected by it. So it's very worrisome to see that because in addition to the poverty issues and then the lack of medical care facilities, much less support and assistance for people in those states, we have somebody that just blasted any kind of notion that we're all in this together. We all care about all Americans. We want all Americans to get through this and we wanna get rid of the bug. So we're just off on this other crazy polarized route that isn't gonna do anybody any good. And so we have the option to do anything federally. I really don't think it will. Whether we care about them or not, they're gonna have an inordinate number of deaths in those states. But it's worse, you can travel from one of those states to another state. And it's not screening really adequate. We are not requiring the vaccines. I mean, sometimes you wish you were the Philippines. But here's one thing that I think is worth discussing. We know as a medical fact that how do these variants come about? They come about when you have a large number of cases. The more is probably a formula out there somewhere in science land. The more cases you have, the higher the probability of another variant, a variant that's worse than the Delta variant. Okay, and those red states where nobody's getting vaccinated, nobody's requiring or even encouraging people to get vaccinated, those states are a hotbed for another variant. That will be worse. So I think it's not just them, they wanna kill themselves fine, but it's all of us. We're all affected by the lowest common denominator, so to speak. Jay, what leverage does the federal government have against those either state governments or city governments that flat out refuse to do anything about either the original COVID or now the Delta virus? Or as you suggest, maybe a variant that's even gonna be worse than the Delta variant. What leverage does the federal government really have to say, hey, it's not just, it's he perverse unum from one many. You are not an island unto yourself. You're part of the 50 states of the United States and you are fellow citizens, whether they know it or not, are infecting other citizens. Well, to go where Duterte has gone and arrest people, make it criminal, we're not there yet. What I mean is we haven't done the interim possibilities and there are interim possibilities. For example, if you can't prove that you've had a vaccination, first of all, vaccination passports, I don't know why anybody would oppose that. And secondly, if you can take a plane, that's federally regulated. You can't take a plane hypothetically without having a vaccination.  The federal government is all over our lives. They regulate everything in every state. It is so easy for them to say, look, we're not giving you that benefit.  You have to go to jail, not to arrest anybody, don't forget to a street scene about it. What you have to do is put a lock on benefits that were previously available. This is easy. I don't actually know why the administration is not tightening the noose on this. Well, that's the question.  Unfortunately that we go back to the fourth wave where it's not 300 people a day dying from COVID. It's now back up in the thousands. Would it be prudent for the federal government to say a vaccination passport now is required, whether you feel your hippo rights are being violated or not, or whether your personal freedoms are being trampled upon or not? We're trying to stamp out a pandemic and you're not helping. Well, I just wanted to jump in because I was very interested in this when we first, as Hawaii, started to close our gates. And of course the question is, well, why can't we close them completely? Well, just like Alaska and other states, and Alaska is most comparable because they actually could close their border. But that is not allowed by the constitution because we have interstate commerce. So the reference Jay made before about how you can leave a state and go to another state with all of your infection, there's nothing to stop you from doing that. And the federal government can't do that because we must be able to pass across and through these United States. So that's in the law. And then now this meme or this diatribe about fascism and doing anything by the federal government is an act of control over everybody that is not to be tolerated is then getting in the way of making this, the, that's an argument for states rights to do these things, but states are not islands on their own. And that there just isn't a recognition of how this is all supposed to work together, which we've done for hundreds of years. It was an intention of the mayor. Let me go to an argument that those who refuse to get vaccinated use and use often. And that is a lot of drugs that the FDA approves and studied for five years or 10 years, they allowed these drugs to go on the market and lo and behold, a number of them, particularly like blood thinners and all sorts of medicines turned out to be harmful versus the intended benefit that they were supposed to provide to the marketplace. So they have to take them off the market. And so take that logic and now they're saying, well, how long did you really study COVID and how much did the FDA really put in time was less than one year. And you're there expecting the entire population of the United States to be vaccinated. And do we really know the long-term effects of it? So they use that as one of the reasons why they don't want to get it. And then we have news stories like today, just before this show it was announced that the FDA is now putting out a new warning that there might be an unexpected inflammation to particularly in teens of the heart of the cardio system. And that for whatever reason, Pfizer and Moderna may now have this new warning that tasks to it. So what I'm getting at is we have this initial hesitancy or belief that the FDA doesn't really know what they approved, but yet we're all required to take it. And now see, we told you, there's a new warning coming up. How do you combat that kind of argument and do they have a point at all? They may have a point where a small number of people, I mean, there are side effects. I don't think any of them are really serious. And by the way, just as there was an article about the inflammation, there was also an article about black fungus. I don't know if you saw that. This is a COVID effect.  So, it's a matter of weighing and balancing, but I think the numbers, and of course, as Stephanie says, it's the greater good we care about. We wanna save lives.  They've gotta get on board. And so, interesting, I go for a regular medical appointment, and I go to one of my doctor's offices and before I walk in, at least two people are taking my temperature and asking me if I've been anywhere. Every day happens, everywhere you go. Even in that restaurant last night, everywhere. Suppose I said, well, actually I have a little bit of a headache. I feel like I have a fever and I just came back from the UK, for example. And I think I might have COVID. I suppose I said that. Well, I wouldn't get in the restaurant, that's for sure. But would I get in to see my doctor? Probably not. Would I get in to have any medical care if I had that interaction with the people who stand at the gate and take my temperature? Probably not. So what you have is this kind of de facto thing. It's imperfect because there are other symptoms that could be identified. But if I had to show that I've been vaccinated in order to have other medical care, if I had to show that I wasn't dangerous to do this, that and the other thing, that would be a de facto way of preventing the spread. And I would suffer. I couldn't have these benefits. So I'm adding to what I said before about the federal government, putting guardrails on benefits. Every business can have that benefit. Every organization of any kind can deny you entry. I think a lot of them are afraid. And if I was an employer and somebody said, well, I'm hesitant about taking the vaccine, I would say there's the door.  Sorry. What do you say about those state governments? And I'm thinking of Florida, DeSantis is gonna run for president of the United States. It's all but in the stars. And he's making a political gesture to say, we don't need to do these things that the federal government wants us to do. We know better for what's good for our population. And that must be damn, we don't care. So what do you do about governors like DeSantis of Florida who actually is working against trying to spread this virus versus trying to prevent it? The history books will judge him going forward, but the question is right now. I'm sure your question is right now. And the answer is that's why we have a federal government to deal with emergencies like this. And although Stephanie says it may be a violation of the constitution to stop people from traveling across state lines and various other things. I mean, the supremacists and the Republicans claim that it's a violation of their constitutional rights to deny the entry and require them to have a vaccine. And I say, these are desperate times. And frankly, I think they're likely to become more desperate times. And the government has to save the greater number of people who can't stand by, the federal government cannot morally stand by, do its duty and allow thousands of people to die from what amounts to preventable death, preventable disease. So I mean, maybe we're not clear on that yet. Maybe it'll take another 500,000 people, a 500,000 deaths to make it clear, but we have to do something to survive as a nation. And if that means putting some gloss on the constitution, if it means finding other ways, then Joe Biden has got to do that. All right, thank you, Jay. Stephanie, Dr. Fauci no longer has Donald Trump as his boss's boss. He's free of that hanging sword of termination of employment over his head. Probably got a fairly good situation where he is right now with Joe Biden. Does Dr. Fauci and his peers need to be more stringent in the criticisms of what's going on and what really needs to take place versus addressing a generalized hesitancy to take the vaccination? Well, I think this situation is really fraught with so many nuances or variables. I mean, first of all, Fauci's a public health person. I mean, he's in the national public health service.   And Donald Trump had that hanging sword of, I'll fire you if you say something I don't like. That sword has been removed for the most part. Is it up to public health officials to say and step in and say, this variant is gonna start killing thousands of people more and we gotta do something about it right this second. We're not getting that right now. Dr. Fauci has put out a generalized warning but it's not as definitive that maybe it ought to be. Well, I think that we're up against a difficulty in this situation that we haven't much had before. I mean, maybe we came close to it when they brought the Ebola patients back to the US from Africa. I think there was a general concern that bringing anybody with that into this country was very dangerous because that spreads like wildfire. This particular virus, while it's very contagious, it's not the kind of thing like these other, the yellow fever and typhoid and all of these other tremendous killers who we have controlled in the past and have overcome and have led the world in getting to know how to manage it and manage it as a country. And but with this coronavirus, it's been a slower spread and people don't see the direct, the line between A and B is not. Yeah, but those days are over. Stephanie, I hate to inform you, but this Delta is 60% more transmissible than the coronavirus. And by the way, coronavirus was highly transmissible. So you've gone to England and Spain who are now shutting down again. They have to shut down and you have Germany and France watching their clusters of population. And unfortunately, most of the cases are of the Delta variant versus the original coronavirus. Well, that is true. And it may take an effect, but again, it looks like this Delta is going after a particular segment of the population. I don't know enough about it to speak in any way as to inform you on that. But as I understand it, again, it may be more contagious, but it's like at the beginning of the corona, it was the old people. And it was the people that weren't the heart of the American population. And I think that that had a real big effect on people. It wasn't going to bother me. It's not going to come get me. It's going to get all these old people. It's going to get these people who are into... Right, exactly. They're vulnerable. I'm not vulnerable. So nobody's feeling vulnerable in the middle of the country and in the middle of the population. So I think until all of those people feel that they aren't vulnerable, we can't have this unifying effect because if it's only going to be the certain populations that are devastated by this and literally devastated as they have been, the rest of them don't seem to care. And that has not... Well, unfortunately, to feel vulnerable, does that mean thousands and thousands of more deaths? Exactly. To those that didn't... And I'll quote Fauci again. I'll quote him again. Every death from COVID-19 is avoidable and it's a tragedy when it happens. And yes, in the abstract, but in the actual being here in this country and wanting to go to football games and wanting to go to the bar, and I'm a young guy and I'm a young gal and nobody else like me is getting it. So there has to be, in addition to all we do, there has to be that sense of vulnerability to pull us all together at the same, with the people that we have now, because they just don't do things in the abstract. I mean, we've done polio. I mean, we've done all of these huge, really bad bugs and gotten them under control and had a whole nation working on it. And we're just not having that kind of a reception, an effect going to make us be one of the nations that could take care of it and have it absolutely go away. We could, we have the capacity to do that, but we haven't done that because the will has not been there of the people. And then we have these leaders who are also being real goofy about it and not seeing that it is a national issue and they're tearing it apart and making it a state's rights issue for what, for purposes that are really undesirable and very difficult to understand. And I think we could've done it much better. And we can- You know, as time goes on, I think ultimate responsibility, and Jay, you suggested it with about DeSantis, is as time goes on, we'll see where the ultimate responsibility or the lack of responsibility took place on how you message to your constituents and whether you did the right thing or not the right thing to either take this thing seriously or pass it off as our freedoms are being impinged upon. Therefore, we'll stand up as Americans and do it our way, our own way. So okay, you know, the best part of the show, well, not the best part, but one of my favorite parts of the show is asking you what your final comments are and your final comments as it pertains either to the Delta variant or anything else on the table. It's your moment to say, this is what I think and here's what's coming up for the next week. Jay? Well, listening to this discussion, participating in, you know, in the public conversation about COVID, I don't know if we give enough credit to the implications of having another major surge, which hundreds of thousands of preventable deaths take place because there are secondary effects to that. We have already seen firsthand how that works and how it reaches everyone, including those who were not infected. What about the economy? What about, you know, the mental, the sensibilities of individuals whose family has been infected? You know, what about planning for the future? What about starting a business? What about the backbone of the country in terms of entrepreneurship and, you know, and business development of every single kind, anywhere, everywhere, it will be affected. Because, you know, when you go through this a second time, a second major surge, wow, people are going to be really, really, really unhappy, depressed in every way, and the country's economy would be depressed. The world itself would be depressed. It's already depressed. I mean, it's nice that Biden can try to reestablish relations with, you know, Western countries and do what he did in Europe. But the reality is that they're also affected. Their economies are also affected. We have the world on a precipice here. So it's not just a few numbers in the South. Thank you, Jay. You know, there's a reason why I love to go around the table and ask for final comments, because I get comments like that. Thank you, Jay. Stephanie, your turn. Well, I think in Hawaii, but people are wishing or prefer to have control. You know, this is a beautiful place. And this is a thriving economy, was a thriving economy, but it almost got taken down to its heels. I mean, it was taken down to its heels. And I mean, we were standing alone on Waikiki. You could go to the Waikiki Beach and be there by yourself. So we... I did. I did. So we've suffered exactly what Jay's talking about is the effects on the economy. And that's exactly what's gonna happen. So, but here again, and I think in our state, not to brag, but we do have a sense of Aloha. Everybody's in the same boat when the tsunami comes, you know, or the hurricane, we're all in it together. And by the way, they don't ever use the E word here for hear hurricanes because there is no evacuation. We are here for the duration on Noget now. So I think we've got some circumstances that help us be unified. And those circumstances are not very well-defined for the whole country and this crisis. Maybe if we'd had a different president leader at the beginning of it, who did focus on these things and even in the abstract for some, we would be much better off. But we are where we are. And but in our state, I think we do have a good sense of how this is about everybody and everybody working hard on it and our leaders taking some direction from what the residency and need to have happened to them. Okay, thank you, Stephanie for your thoughtful comments. You know, I just like to say that, you know, we don't know exactly how this Delta variant is gonna take place. And particularly in those states where vaccination percentages are quite low. And I just pray that my fellow Americans realize that this isn't a game and wasn't a game when we had the regular COVID-19 virus, but now we have something much more deadlier. And I just hope that they set aside politics and do what they can do for themselves and their families and friends and get a vaccination. So with that said, I'd like to thank Jay Fiedel and you, Stephanie Dalton. Thank you for joining us on What Now America? Join us next week, Wednesday at 11 o'clock. And I'm Tim Appichell, your host and we'll see you then, aloha. Aloha, dude, aloha, Stephanie.


Elon Musk has become the world's richest person after the share price of his company, Tesla, increased. Now, his net worth now reportedly stands at $185 billion. This means he has overtaken the previous holder of this title, Amazon founder Jeff Bezos. Now, this is from a BBC report. They write, Mr Musk's electric car company Tesla has surged in value this year and hit a market value of $700 billion or 516 billion pounds for the first time on Wednesday. That makes the car company worth more than Toyota, Volkswagen, Hyundai, GM and Ford combined. Now, that is phenomenal. This is a company which has only turned a profit this year. It hasn't turned a profit before that because it's been spending more than it has been taking in.  Is this a bubble? Is this investors getting completely carried away by the fact that the price keeps going up a bit like with Bitcoin or something? Or are people betting that electric cars are the future and that Tesla is completely going to dominate that market? Whatever happens, Elon Musk is probably going to have a lot of money. This is what he says he wants to spend it on. This is from a tweet from a little while ago. He says, about half my money is intended to help problems on Earth and half to help establish a self-sustaining city on Mars to ensure continuation of life of all species in case Earth gets hit by a meteor like the dinosaurs or World War III happens and we destroy ourselves. Now, the chances of a meteoroid hitting this country, this country, very parochial of me there, a meteoroid hitting the planet in the near future are very small. Much more likely is it becomes uninhabitable because of climate change. So I'd prefer him to be investing that money in green technologies instead of getting to Mars. I doubt that many people can live on Mars. Although you could say the electric cars kind of falls into that. Dalia, I want your take on this. What does it say about capitalism that Elon Musk is now the world's richest man? I mean, it tells me that wealth is generated on completely fraudulent and particular spaces. I have to say that I'm actually kind of surprised that he overtook Bezos. In this particular moment, obviously these kind of figures change a lot. They change very frequently. But Amazon has just harnessed the coronavirus crisis so effectively that I just kind of expected it to be solidly Bezos for a while. But obviously, we need to pierce through this ridiculous myth-making that happens around people like Elon Musk. This idea that he is just like this genius and he's frequently called a genius by politicians. And politicians in the US in particular really kind of helped to fabricate this. Trump called him a genius multiple times. California legislators and governors all kind of play into this. He did not amass this wealth through any individual genius. He's not even the actual legit co-founder of Tesla. He actually essentially bought that label through an out-of-court settlement with the actual people that did found Tesla. He amassed this wealth from union busting on an unprecedented scale, government subsidies, $4.9 billion of government subsidies to be precise, violating basic labor and health and safety standards. The most recent example of that was when he insisted on opening the Tesla factories despite that violating the local coronavirus lockdown rules in California. And actually the rules around lockdown changed. California changed those rules in order to accommodate Elon Musk wanting to open up his factory. His wealth also comes from the fact that the money that kicked off his career comes from the fact that his family were involved in the emerald mining business in South Africa, which in apartheid South Africa. And the mining business especially was absolutely central to the economic fabric of apartheid. Mining is a really central and it continues to be a central site of very heavy exploitation and violence against Black Southern Africans. So it's often said that there's no such thing as a self-made billionaire and I think Elon Musk is a perfect case study of that. So really the kind of mythologizing that we will be seeing of Elon Musk and people like him is pretty nauseating. He's sort of part of this emerging, it's particularly prevalent in Silicon Valley, this emerging cults of the tech billionaire or the uber wealthy sort of innovator, which kind of in a sense gave rise to Trump. This idea that billionaires will save us from the big structural issues of the day and that Elon Musk when the pandemic started, he said that he was going to provide California with loads of ventilators that again, which is what prompted the California politicians to treat him like some kind of messiah and then it ended up actually that he was providing CPAP machines which weren't in any kind of, which weren't there was like, which wasn't under resourced and is far cheaper and far easier to make than ventilators. But also this idea that we should put more billionaires and more millionaires in government because and Trump used this a lot and I think it really contributed to his appeal that he's going to run the country in the way that he runs one of his businesses, which to be fair, he's kind of delivered on because most of his businesses ended in bankruptcy and a garbage fire, which is kind of also now what's happening in the US. But in reality, these very people are the very cause of a lot of the problems that we are facing, including the climate crisis, as you pointed out, Michael.


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Research demonstrates that loneliness does not reflect how many friends or family members you have by your side. Instead, it's how connected you feel internally. You can be surrounded by family or friends, and yet your feelings of loneliness still somehow manage to persist. So, what can we do about it? Well, you're in luck, because here it's like to go, we've gathered a list of four tips to help you deal with loneliness. Number one, become friends with yourself first. Self-care is something that is extremely important for our mental health. The truth is, we may feel lonely because deep down, we long for our own friendship. When's the last time you were kind to yourself? Look a minute to relax and wind down, just for you. And I don't mean passing out after a long night of working. I mean conscious time dedicated to yourself and your thoughts. Thoughts all on you, not work, not drama, just relaxation. This could mean a relaxing bubble bath instead of a quick shower. Some time spent doing an activity or a hobby that you enjoy, or perhaps sitting down with your favorite book. When loneliness comes knocking on the door, it's a good idea to look inwards and spend some time with the friend within ourselves. They may be the one to help us calm ourselves and relieve some stress, that is, if we do spend time with them. Once we've made friends with ourselves, we might not feel as lonely around others or on our own, because you always know you got your back. Number two, show compassion. Oftentimes, when we're lonely, we may wish that someone could simply be there for us. Someone to understand us and show us some compassion. Well, a little compassion can go a long way.  When someone does a favor for you, don't you feel a little more valued and less alone? Wouldn't you want to bring that compassion to others as well and spread love? Because not only does carrying out kind acts for others help them feel cheery, but it can make us feel cheery as well, and less lonely in the process. After all, we're engaging in a form of social interaction. Compassion can be a step towards making a new friend or simply feeling less lonely, knowing you may have made someone's day. According to research from psychologists Ed Deener and Martin Seligman, altruism can lead to improved mental and physical health as well as beat-up recovery from diseases. Brain imaging research from Naomi Eisenberger at UCLA has found that providing support for others may have unique positive effects on key brain areas involved in stress and reward responses. The research shows that a little compassion and support can predict decreased stress responses in the brain. So next time you're feeling lonely, perhaps reach out to a family member or old friend who could use some support.  I'm sure they'd love to support as much as you. Number three, find your tribe. As mentioned, you don't need to be physically alone to feel lonely. You could be at a loud, seemingly fun party with others and still, you can't help but shake the feeling. Perhaps you do have friends or classmates you regularly talk to and you do get along with them but you don't necessarily have a lot in common with them. You may even find yourself disinterested in the topics they discuss but politely not along because hey, they're your friends after all and you care about them. But sometimes you feel like the odd one out. This may be due to the idea that you haven't found your tribe yet. Tribe? What on earth do you mean? Well, looking for your tribe means you're looking for people who share common interests and ideas with you or possess traits you aspire to adapt. We should all surround ourselves with others who share the same interests so we can not only discuss what we value but gain a friend in doing so. It can take some people many years to find their tribe. They don't appear out of thin air. That's why joining an online community with interests similar to your own is an easy place to start. If you enjoy a certain video game reach out to online players and make some friends. Or perhaps you're a book lover. Join a book club online or in person. You may find yourself with your very own tribe in no time. Number four. There is no perfect friend. If you're lonely you may have daydreamed about what it would be like to be perfectly socialized. Imagining yourself with an ideal group of friends and your best friend, the perfect friend. Hate to burst your bubble but there's no such thing as perfect. Meaning your imaginary friend isn't all you'd hoped they'd be. Theory and research suggest that those with a high level of perfectionism are more at risk for depressive symptoms and suicide ideation. Because their feelings of alienation, isolation and loneliness are all the more intense. Thing is, perfectionism in socializing may even prevent some from socializing at all. Because when they do look for the perfect friend they can't seem to find them anywhere. Philosopher and author of A Philosophy of Loneliness, Lars Svedson, argues that people with chronic loneliness may likely be social perfectionists. Svedson explains that social perfectionism is more common among lonely individuals than non-lonely. The lonely person thinks that they're unloved and that no one will befriend them. But perhaps the problem is rather that because they place such impossible demands on friendship and love, they are not capable of loving or befriending someone. No. Are you capable of befriending someone? Absolutely. Don't let a little perfectionism get in the way of making a new friend. People have flaws and not every social interaction is meant to be amazing. It can be awkward at times or even silly. Once we're content with knowing friendships can be messy, awkward and silly at times, we can then feel a little more relaxed when it comes to making a new friend. If you think your perfectionism is getting in the way of finding a friend, know that someone is out there for you. But they won't be perfect. And flaws and all, you'll still love each other. And may even be a little less lonely. There's someone out there for you. You just have to keep looking. So, will you try out any of these tips? What online communities will you join? Let us know in the comments. The studies and references used are listed in the description below. Don't forget to hit the subscribe button and notification bell icon for more Psych2Go videos. And thank you for watching. And if this video helped you, please let us know by liking and sharing it with someone who may be feeling lonely. After all, this video could be a great way to reach out and support someone who is suffering from loneliness. And in the process, you never know. You may just make a new friend.


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Hey guys, it's Nate, aka The Foot Account, and welcome back to the channel. We finally have grindable MenU content, thanks to the big SBCs that EA dropped yesterday on FIFA Ultimate Team. We're going to talk about that today. And of course, this week's market outlook video, what's going to happen this week on foot. Probably not many of these videos left, boys. So relish them and enjoy them while you can. All right. They're going to speed FIFA 21 market outlook videos very, very soon. But first things first, right? We have to talk about what is going on in this game. The content on the menus just went from zero to a hundred real quick this weekend with new cards added back in packs and four. Yes, you heard that correctly. Four different upgrade packs are available in foot right now. That is just four regular upgrade packs, 81 double pluses, 80 plus player picks, 82 to 88 upgrades, and the 83 double as well. I'm going to put out a video tomorrow talking about some of these and some of the packs that we opened. These packs, the 83 doubles, they're very good. They're very, very good packs. And there is a way that you can craft some of these SBCs, which I'll talk about at some point in this video as well. And then of course, the icon moments upgrade came out today too. So this is an any icon moments pack that was released requires only an 85 and an 86 rated squad. It was a lot cheaper than I was expecting, but that is a huge W. Thank you, Esports for that. So boom, just like that, we go from a two week portion of the preseason promo that honestly seemed like an L and now we are here. Menu content is grindable. Once again, I've got 1.14 million coins. I'm fully liquid right now. I got 1.1, 1.2 million coins, couple cards in the club actually that I have to basically full send for the next 25 days. Now I could go through those coins very quickly, but I want to talk to you about how you might be able to craft some SBCs, you know, in a very smart way with your coins, using your coins the smartest way possible and being, you know, thrifty with it, I guess you could say. And then of course talk about what else is coming this week. So let's talk about what's coming this week, right this morning. We have some moves this morning, some stuff we have to kind of talk about Monday morning in the world of football, the PFA Bristol Street Motors fans player of the month award. All right, this is the fans player of the month award that is being announced this morning 8am UK time. So shortly after this video goes live, this vote is going to be announced. But this is not the actual PFA award. This is the PFA fans player of the month award. Some people were asking me, yo, is the De Bruyne SBC going to come out after this voting is finished? No, I don't think the De Bruyne SBC is actually going to be coming out. Everything that I keep seeing in front of me seems to me like there's not going to be an SBC. They don't want to make an SBC for a 99 rated De Bruyne or whatever the reason is. Or maybe they're still just waiting for the actual PFA awards to happen whenever that does happen because I don't know if they're still scheduled that, but these are not the actual PFA awards. It's PFA fans player of the month award. So don't expect an SBC today. I guess if it did come, that'd be pretty crazy. But again, I think I talked about this yesterday's video, the EA Sports FIFA tweet congratulating Kevin De Bruyne on his Premier League Player of the Season award. It says his team of the season card is available now in foot. Yeah, it's been available for three months. Okay, EA, we get it. Maybe two months, but whatever. So the issue here is I don't actually know if we're getting a KDB SBC.  I mean, I don't know. It's kind of tough, right? I don't think his team of the year card is probably somewhere around a million. I know his top card has dropped a decent amount. How much is this KDB team of the year? The 98 KDB is probably still around a million maybe? Yeah, it must be still around a million coins. Wow. Okay. So the team of the season is the ones that's dropping. The team of the year is still kind of expensive because it's not in packs. Yo, man. All right. So he's actually 1.2 mil, 1.180. And the team of the season I think is like 1.8 or 1.9. It was 1.9 earlier today, under 1.9. Yeah, it's still under there. So 1.885. I know that's a lot of money, a lot of coins for a lot of people. Shoot. I can't even afford the guide right now. But if you're really expecting a team of the season or a 99 rated KDB player of the season or player of the year award to come out, I'm really feeling like now it's not actually going to come, unfortunately, based off of the lack of SBCs not coming already and the actual PFA awards, the real PFA awards not actually happening right now and not actually being announced or even voted on because a lot of people thought that this vote over that I showed you was the actual PFA vote, but it's not. It's the fans player of the year vote. So the fans don't actually get to choose the legit PFA player of the year. That is something I just wanted to point out to you guys in this video today and just so that you're aware, right? That's something a lot of people have been looking for. I thought it was going to come. I told you guys it was going to come, but now it's looking like that it's probably not going to come, unfortunately, but it is what it is. And we kind of just have to move on. It's August, right? If you really want that KDB player of the year, you know, you got to take your Ws and your Ls as you can because literally we are less than 50 days away from FIFA 21. The beta is out in full swing. There's a lot of stuff on Twitter right now about the beta. You can go and check it out on there. I'm not going to talk about that too much on here just because I don't want to get involved with potentially sharing information and talking about things that I should not talk about. So if you want to see some of that stuff, Twitter is the best place to go. There's a lot of images and stuff going on over there about that. So regarding content this week though, continuing with kind of looking at that kind of stuff, I think this week we're just going to see more of the packs, right? For the next 25 days, most of the content that you're going to see inside of FIFA 20 is going to be either a summer showdown, SBC, which we've already had one. We'll probably get one more for either the final or maybe EA will drop another one today for the other semi-final game of Leon and Byron with another two-day window to complete that SBC because this game is going to get played on Tuesday at, what is it, 3pm or 8pm? 8pm, your guys' time in the UK? I think it's 3pm my time. Then actually we have Europa League games that are still going on as well. Those are going to happen earlier in the week. Today Inter Milan plays against Shakhtar. Winner goes to the final and the final of the Europa League is played on Friday. Sevilla beat Manchester United today, two to one. That Diego Carlos is going to get upgraded to a 92 rated card and Diego Carlos' road to the final is actually going to be higher rated and have better stats than Diego Carlos' team of this season. Now that's probably like a FIFA myth. Matt HD Gamer gets your FIFA myths out, man, because that's going to be probably the first time that that's ever happened, right? I don't know if you have any other road to the finals that have surpassed a team of the season card ever. Of course, this year with the plus three boosts that they gave them. I think this is the first one that's actually done that. I think. Could be wrong on that, actually. I don't know. I think that's right though. Anyways, the road to the final day of Carlos is going to be a 92 after today's game. And also we're still waiting on the De Pye upgrade because De Pye is going to go up to a 93 because they did get past the big boys.  So he's going to go to a 93 rated card. That upgrade should happen very, very soon. That should happen. And then again, we have more Champions League games that are coming Tuesday and Wednesday. So literally Monday this week, we have Inter Milan and Shakhtar in Europa League. Tuesday, we have Leipzig, Paris. Wednesday, we have Lyon, Bayern. Thursday, we have nothing. And then Friday, the Ligue 1. We have Marseille and St Etienne. The Ligue 1. Uber Eats. The season is back underway. So football, again, is like non-stop. I'm kind of starting to get a little bit worried for some of these teams that have players that have been playing since the Leagues came back and like what, early June or May, they're not really getting a break as we head into the new season. The Premier League season starts very soon as well. September 12th, I think, is that date. So this week is kind of like the last hurrah for the big, big tournaments with the Europa League and the Champions League, with the Champions League final being on Sunday this upcoming week, a week from yesterday. So that's going to be pretty freaking hype, man. Champions League and Europa League is coming down to the wire. We'll have Champions announced soon. But that's going to be the end of some of the content as a part of this preseason promo as well. No more Champions League showdowns, no more road to the final stuff. Hopefully then, we start to see the top transfer content. And now this promo is really starting to take shape. The top transfer content in terms of the fact that we haven't seen anything yet is really pointing towards that content coming later in the week, later in the promo. So after this week, possibly next week, we'll see more of that top transfer content. Maybe on Friday of this week, we'll see some more of that, whether it's an objective, we'll see what they do with that. But I would expect that sort of content coming later on next week or at the end of this one because the Champions League stuff kind of ending. And then again, focusing on the new seasons starting up next week with the League on. So again, talking about these upgrade packs, like there's actually stuff to do on the menus right now. I want to talk to you guys about how you can craft these very cheap, how you can do them efficiently and get a lot of packs done with a decent amount of grinding. All right, let's talk about it this way. I'm going to go to Footpin actually and show you how much some of these SBCs cost to craft straight out of pocket, right? The 81 double costs you 11 rare players, the 80 plus upgrade costs you 10 rare players. So very similar price costs or costs is what I should say here, 20,000 coins, basically per 22 K for the 81 plus rares right now are like 1.5 to 1.6 K a piece, they might be down a little bit from squad battle rewards. But these are kind of expensive, like 20 K a pop. Some things are pretty good. This is what I would tell you, right? Do one or two, try and see if it works out for you. If you got good pack luck or cracked pack luck, because I say this all the time, it seems like different accounts, get better luck with different packs. So try a couple out of each, see if they do good for you. But this is the way that if you want to grind the menus, right, there's going to be multiple ways to grind this, but this is the one that I'm going to be working on is doing the 82 to 88 upgrade buying the non rares, these 5000 coins to do this SBC, you've probably got a bunch of non rares in your club anyway, 5000 coins to do an 82 to 88 upgrade, right? So you can do 10 of them for 50 K, you could only do like two of these packs for 50 K. And then what you're going to do with those is let's say you do 10, 82 to 88 upgrade packs, you just have now 10 cards that you can put into either this 83 double upgrade. And you're probably going to pack some cards that are maybe, you know, 83, like 84, 85, maybe 86, if you get lucky, the 84 and above, I want you to rinse into the icon moments upgrade, right? Because this requires 85 and 86 rated squads. So I want you to rinse your 84s and above into this. And I want you to rinse your 83s and 82s into the 83 double upgrade. That is the foolproof strategy, right? So you're going to have to do a lot of these 82 to 88s. I get that it's going to take a lot of non rares, but that's kind of the move. Honestly, that's really the move because you're like, yo, why would you rinse them into the 83 double upgrade? These are actually very, very good. I mean, I did the first five of these that I opened today on stream, it was team of the season team, we got five team of the season cards out of five of these packs, four of the packs contain team of the seasons. One of them had a double blue, right? These are actually really good right now because most times you're getting a type of special card because a lot of the special cards are in packs, of course, and those are very grindable and very good. And then even if you get high rated pulls in this that you don't want for your team or a tots cards, you're, you can go and craft another icon moments upgrade, right? Let's say you pack a team of the season 91 rated chuck that into an 86 rated squad here or the 85 that has the tots requirement and then bang, you know, that's going to make that squad a lot easier for you with some of those 82 and 83 rated players that you might have from that 82 to 88 upgrade as well.  We'll get a chance at him there and you'll be crafting these icon moments, SBCs at the same time. Let's say you don't want to craft the 83 plus upgrades, you could go do Forsberg, you could do Bernat, get those done. There's a lot of other players that, you know, people haven't completed some summer heat players that are inside of the players tab as well. Formino, Jovic, Mertens, I have three out of four Merton squads done that I've had done since team of the season that I haven't finished, right? Marcos Alonso, Diago Jota, I wouldn't do Goretzka, his road to the finals higher rated. It's going to continue to be higher rated. Maybe Vidal, Dava Duiz, right? There's a lot of other summer heat cards that are still back here in the players tab. You know, I've done a lot of these SBCs. Maybe you want to do Langley still or Usman Dembele, Lucas Mora, Coutinho, Millie Tao. There's a lot of cards back here. Look man, Ribber, Rhee, Allen, Modric, like look at these cards bro, Paul Pugba still in here if you haven't completed him. So there's a lot of SBCs that you can craft. And this is kind of the last 20 day stage of the game. This is what I talked about on stream as well. And I mentioned a little bit in this video already, but this is the time of FIFA where you full send it, right? This is the full send time. Just grind the upgrade packs, grind the menus until you can't anymore.  As of right now, as far as I'm concerned, the Liberatoris SBC, the Lib Sud method, right? These two SBCs right here is still very grindable, still very cost efficient. And with all the tradeable cards that are in packs, it's very doable. According to a footpin, these two SBCs, it costs you 68,000 coins on the PlayStation to do the Sudamerica SBC. And it costs you 90K to do the Liberatoris SBC. Right now, you will be able to get, what are the rewards from this SBC? The group rewards, you get a 90 rated card, a 90 rated Romero from the Sudamerica, and you get a 90 rated, who's the guy from this one? A 90 rated Rojas from the Liberatoris. 90 rated cards right now on the market, those two cards untradeable, their value is 50K. So basically 50,000 coins, you pay an extra 40K for all the packs that are inside of Sudamerica, and you pay an extra 30K to get all the packs from Liberatoris. And boom, you're getting a lot of tradeable packs. If you think about it in that way, you know, you're getting rare electron packs. Some of the silver packs are not the best, but you're getting the electron packs mixed players, small prime, I think the better ones really the Liberatoris, or excuse me, the Sudamerica. Yeah, you get some better packs in here for sure, the small electron. So, you know, the silvers are selling too, man. And the silvers are selling, I know there's not a lot of silvers that have specials in packs, but this is still a way where you can grind packs very, very, very easily, grind these over and over, and get the SBC cards in your club. You can probably grind some of the other, some of the other League SBCs too, they might be a little bit expensive. Yeah, they're a little bit expensive right now. The Premier League SBC is like 280K. So I don't know if that's actually worth it, but the Lipsud method is probably looking pretty good right now as well. You know, you can even do like bronze pack method if you're trying to do it that way, the BPM, Lipsud, and then, you know, hit some upgrade packs after that. All I'm saying is there's stuff to do on the menus, right? There is stuff to do on the menus in terms of the market and how this is going to affect cards prices. One thing that I'm honestly kind of interested to see is the stuff that is in packs, like if you want to buy a Conte team of the year, yes, this card is like 1.3 million coins right now. Do I think that he continues to drop a little bit as he is still in packs for 25 days? Yeah, I think these cards probably just kind of trickle down, especially with the stuff that is going to be, we're probably going to get more of those 89 five player packs this week. That one actually hasn't been released yet. The 89 five players pack probably going to come out this week, 90 plus tots, 92 plus tots, all of those packs are probably going to come out this week. So that's going to maybe cause some of those other cards to drop a little bit on the market as people pack them and as people have to sell cards to go do those SBCs. So if there's a card that you really really really want to buy for your team, I would just honestly say find a day where we get a big time SBC that's repeatable, or maybe it's a repeatable, maybe it's not like an 89 five player pack. That one's going to be a big SBC where you might see a little bit of panic selling depending on the price. And especially during the week this week, I still think all of those team of the seasons team of the years that are impacts, you're just going to kind of see them trickle downwards in price for the rest of the year. And again, I would just tell you buy the card and play with the card. If you want to have fun with it, because it's August, right? I've been saying this for a while now, but now even more than ever, just buy the card, play with it, have fun with it, right? Enjoy your last little bit of time on FIFA 20 Ultimate team. This game is going away, right? It is August, but we at least have grindable content to take us to the end of the year or at least close to the end of the year. Thank you to EA Sports for these upgrade packs 20 days, 25 days remaining. That gives us something to do for the next while, right? We can come on a stream, come on a video, open some packs and just have a little bit of fun and use some of those coins that we still have at the end of the year to do something, to do something, right? There's football on. I'm glad that EA is letting us have some sort of, you know, outlet to go, you know, have our football desire just quenched in this game mode finally and not just have to sit here and wonder, what are we going to do instead of FIFA Ultimate team? So again, that's the market outlook for this week, boys. Grind the packs. We're going to multiple times per week with the Twitch channel, which is listed down below. Check that out. If you're interested, I'm probably going to be posting some of those packs here on the YouTube channel as well, just because they're fun, right? It is fun to open packs at this time of the year when it's just a full send and the year is basically over. So again, if you enjoyed this video, that's the market outlook. Smash the thumbs up on it, comment it, know well if you have any questions and subscribe to the channel if you're new. It's been Nate at The Foot Accountant. I will catch you guys later. Peace.


Your good deeds are like this jacket. Maybe on your own, you're not super cool, not that impressive. But because of your good deeds, this jacket, God approves, guys got drip. But the truth is our good deeds are more like this dirty rag. Nothing impressive to God. In fact, it's kind of insulting to God. We're like an employee who's stealing secretly from our boss and yet on the outside is trying to appear as the model employee. We're rebelling against God in our hearts. And our exterior good works don't cover up the stain on our hearts. But through Jesus and his sacrifice on our behalf, we can be forgiven, we can be washed clean.  Now we do good works as an overflow of our love for God, not as a means to earn it.


tions so that they can tackle that. It is a bit like the work that Giles is doing as well. It is important that we look at that more holistically when we are working with that. Is there anyone else who wants to come in on that? Is there any additional Dr Isabel Fletcher? I just wanted to make a brief comment. Those are really rich and interesting examples of the work that is going on. It highlights the need for some kind of body to co-ordinate. Collaboration does not happen without work being put in it and with some kind of co-ordination of it. If we are talking about sharing best practice and collecting evidence, those are all arguments for some kind of statutory body to be filling that role. Gail Muri has talked about the amazing work that has been done in Glasgow. She said that she would really want a national steer and national strategies to advance that work. It is a fairly straightforward point. We need some kind of statutory body to be doing that. It will not happen. Lots is happening in lots of different places, but to make it more effective and to join those things up, somebody needs to be co-ordinating. That is a really good point. I know a lot about community development and co-ordinating things on a community level. Do you think that it needs to be, as some people are calling on a Scottish Food Commission along the lines of the Scottish Land Commission or, as has been brought up by Joe Cheese, that it could be Public Health Scotland? My personal preference would be for something like a Scottish Food Commission. Public Health Scotland is doing great work in that area, but food covers so many different departments and policy areas. Historically, we are not good at doing that kind of work across those areas. For example, I know from the search that I have been doing on another topic that health and environment within the Scottish Government do not talk to each other very well. If we use one of the existing bodies, we may not be able to achieve that joined-up approach, but it is still what we need. Supplement from Rachael Hamilton. I will make it quick. Do you think that food education should be on the face of the Good Food Nation Bill? I have to apologise. I am not 100 per cent sure what you mean by on the face of the bill, but as dieticians and as a profession, we strongly advocate nutrition education, which is cool, particularly Clare's mention of the work within schools. We have dieticians within Education Scotland advising on school meals. Nutrition education goes across the lifespan, and as dieticians working in public health, we are well placed to educate from almost the cradle to the get grave. I would support that education is key within the bill. Education is so important, however. We absolutely need it embedded in the bill. We already have things in place, but they could be strengthened. Fundamentally, it is only part of what we need to do. It will not change the behaviour that we see. My previous role as a school inspector and a lot of children could tell me what they should be eating, but could they access that locally at an affordable price? It was a completely different matter. We can continue to educate, and it is important that children not just learn about how to keep their bodies healthy but about where their food comes and understand the complexities of what they are eating and how we get to that stage of sitting in front of their table. We need to make sure that the wider aspects of the policy coherence comes together so that children are able to implement what they learn in class. It is not just about children, but about the wider education. We need to make sure that people are as informed as possible about the types of foods that we eat. That will help to change the way that we eat and how we view about food. Education is so important, and it is just part of the picture. I think that education is important. It depends on what you mean by education, but it is important, and it is necessary, but it is not sufficient to make the changes that we want to see happen. If you think about major public health achievements that we have achieved in Scotland, education was not sufficient. We needed substantial changes in the circumstances in which people lived or legislation that supported them. Yes, education is important, and I will go beyond nutrition education. Young people, children in schools, the curriculum needs to reflect the whole food system in terms of what they learn about, particularly with the climate emergency. They need to understand the role that food plays in that. They need to understand to be food literate, if you like, to understand what the impact of their food choices is, in terms of workers' rights and the impact on different countries, and a whole range of different things. Food, the ethics of food, sustainability, and I know that there is lots of work going on in learning for sustainability Scotland that is using food in a sustainability context in schools-based education, which is really helpful to learn from, and I know that Strathclyde Uney has been doing some really good work around that as well. Building on the good work that has happened and embedding food and a holistic approach to food in the curriculum is really important. I know that loads of schools have done brilliant stuff, particularly at primary level. I think that it becomes much more of a challenge in secondary level, but I think that there are real opportunities to build debates around food, for example, into modern studies. There are real issues going on in the food system that are really important for young people to grapple with and understand. Going beyond that, the opportunity to build young people's skills to be innovative leaders in a new food system is really important. We are struggling to employ young people in our agriculture sector. We are struggling to employ people in our sustainable food sector who understand and are able to grapple with some of those new technologies that we need to build. I think that there are opportunities in working with our further education colleagues, some of our higher education colleagues and apprenticeships and training opportunities to build that workforce. We in Glasgow are building in sustainability into the chef courses and the kitchen courses at college so that our new chefs can understand not just about the nutritional principles that they should be thinking about but also about how to build sustainability into the food provision that they are planning. Ultimately, what we have found—this is going on a bit of a tangent on what we have found—when we speak to our procurement colleagues, they are not the ones with the power, but the ones with the power are deciding on the menus. They then set out the procurement requirements in line with that. We need to be thinking about how we build healthy, sustainable food into our meal plans, into our menu planning, into how we build seasonality into that and then how we support a local food system to develop that meets those needs so that that money that is invested in procurement stays within that local economy. There is education required around that as well. We also need to think about how we educate the public around what a healthy, sustainable diet looks like. We also need to educate our food retailers and our food producers around how to meet that need. Education goes really wide. It is absolutely essential, but it is not sufficient. Sorry, it is necessary but it is not sufficient. We need to think about the circumstances, the context and the structures that are in place that support the new knowledge that people have. I have some questions specifically from Public Health Scotland. There is a requirement in health boards to consult and publish a good food nation plan under section 7 of the bill, but there is also a requirement for health boards to have regard in those plans when exercising specific functions, but we do not know what those functions are yet. They are not laid out in the face of the bill. I can have your views on that, but there are resource implications. I am looking at the costs of consulting and publishing a good food nation plan. The Scottish Government suggests that any costs arising are negligible. Do you agree with that? The costs involved in putting it all together would be negligible and that goes to Claire. I think that it is quite difficult to answer this question because they have not outlined the function of the bill. It is not quite clear to me what we would be required to do. I think that one of the things that is happening in this evidence is about how we outline that more succinctly so that people know what is expected of them. Of the budgetary things, I could not comment on costs. Certainly in terms of being able to deliver a good food nation plan, it will take a resource. It will take people to think about how they will facilitate that across their board. We will then need to link up with others in local authorities, businesses, procurement and so on. That will all take time. The level at which we have all agreed today needs to be participation with others. It will also come at a cost so that there will be a significant resource. Whether that is a financial link to people or budgetary, I think that we will need to be considered. I think that, until it is clearer to outline what is in the bill, it would be hard for anybody to reflect on what that would cost. Sorry, I cannot be more held. You have given us your opinion of what the good food nation bill should deliver in aspirety and ambitions. Public Health Scotland should have an idea of what a plan might look like. We have taken evidence for that over the past few weeks and we have had the consultation responses. There should be a good indication of what could be in that plan. Therefore, an indication to health boards of what the cost or the resource implication of pulling those together is really important. Do you think that the specified functions need to be laid out on the face of the bill so that we are absolutely certain of what the plans are for each individual health board are going to deliver? It is not then down to cost and resource implications based on the position that individual boards are. I agree that we have to lay out what we want to happen. The local board will be looking to the national plan. The national plan has to have substance in our ability so that we can align to that. We have spoken very much about the need for flexibility locally for people to adapt their plans. Fundamentally, we need to be clear about what the purpose of the bill is so that people know what we should strive to achieve. We spoke earlier about ambitions, targets for implementations and so on. That needs to be considered before we can realistically think how much that would cost. Even putting plans together will take resource. In terms of implementing it, I would not have any idea how that would cost. In public health Scotland, we are a special board and not a local board. We need to think about being more inclusive about how other people might be required to write some kind of plan or support others to write their plan or at least be involved in, for example, the national plan. This has been a fascinating session for all, so I thank you very much for your input. I have really enjoyed it and taken a lot out of it. I would like to explore the roles and responsibilities of the private sector and the good food nation with regard to delivering public health outcomes and how the bills and plans can support and enable the private sector to play a positive role. When we talk about the private sector, I would include the food producers in that. One of the things that I have a difficulty with in all the sessions that we have had is that there seems to be a dichotomy between we want to have environmental protections, we want to protect biodiversity, we want farmers to be able to continue to produce food locally with short supply chains, but we also have massive food inequalities in this country. How do we get the private sector to recognise that dichotomy and work together so that they can be part of the good food nation bill? I will start off with you to begin with. Sorry for that. Start with the hard question. Some of it is about looking at what the Government does and developing more coherence so that we incentivise the private sector. As I said, I was doing some work in rural areas, and it was upland rural areas. A lot of that was talking about the environmental impact of livestock farming and public money for public goods. We are supporting farmers and other food producers to produce food in the most environmentally benign manner possible, rather than having perverse incentives to produce food in ways that are environmentally damaging. I know that this is slightly of public health. We also need to think about SMEs, small and medium enterprises. A lot of people want to set up food businesses. There are a lot of people who want to grow food and sell food, cook, set up small catering businesses. It is a difficult thing to do, and I think that the Government can support people more partly by providing better infrastructure. I did research on bad roads, bad broadband and a lack of abattoirs, if you are talking about meat. It is very difficult to set up small food businesses on that island. There are opportunities there, which are rare in public policy for win-win situations. Tim Lang did a report about British horticulture and, on the last session, the issue came up. There is a gap between what we produce and what we eat. We can close that gap by supporting small-scale producers to grow more fruit and vegetables. We cannot grow peppers and tomatoes in the UK, but we can grow potatoes, turnips, onions and cabbages. We can grow a lot more of what we eat. That is one way in which the private sector can contribute to the goals of a good food nation. Can I go to Joe Teese on that one? We heard earlier on from some of the other panellists about the national planning framework. We can give all the education that we like, but ultimately we need the availability of the kind of foods that you, as a dietician, would want to see our young people eating. How can the private sector play their role? One of our reflections was that there perhaps needs more engagement with the private partners around the bill. Food sustainability is a key factor there. There are some reflections. I know that the aim of the bill is to get rid of the need for food banks, but as dieticians, the food that is provided within food banks is not always nutritionally balanced or nutritionally appropriate. I guess that there is work there as well. It goes back to food poverty and food sustainability, so it is making sure that people are educated on what is a healthy balanced diet. I am more than happy to provide more evidence around that question if that would be helpful as well. Clare, what are your thoughts on that? I think that the private sector, before having a key role in helping us, obviously has a good food nation. I think that there are a couple of things here. We want those businesses to flourish as well and to boost our economy. Therefore, they can afford to pay our workforce sufficiently, which again improves public health. We have all that through there as well. I think that we have an opportunity here to try and change and shift. If we co-ordinate policy better, there will be, hopefully, a better requirement, and people will want healthier and nutritionally balanced sustainable foods. Therefore, we can support businesses to do that locally. There is a real opportunity to help businesses to support their ambitions to flourish as well. I know that businesses are quite reticent at the moment, potentially because of the impact that a lot of our sectors had around the pandemic. I think that we can, through the bill, look at ways in which we can support businesses to flourish, because all the things that have boosted our economy, our workforce and so on. In addition to looking at the wider aspects around improving the types of foods that we have on offer within our retailers and things that we produce locally, there is a real opportunity to try and harness that in a real positive way in working together with our private sector to enable that to happen. Gill? Specificially for yourself, you probably remember when hungry for success was implemented that East Ayrshire went for it absolutely hammering tongs and created a gold standard. Can the private sector be encouraged to do that in your area to get involved with it, Gill? One of the differences between us and Ayrshire is that not a huge amount of good growing goes on within the boundaries of Glasgow. One of the things that we have been looking at is how we use some of the learning in Ayrshire. That is one of the reasons why we are working with the city region or trying to work with the city region to think through where the opportunity is there. We have been working with the inclusive growth work going on with the city region to think through how we can develop a project and look at one foodstuff or one small bit of the public sector procurement in that city region and how we can think about how to build short supply chains and more local produce into that. That is something that is on-going, as discussions are on-going, but it is a challenge. Public procurement has an important role to play in thinking about how we can align the products that our public sector colleagues are looking for with what is produced locally and how we can stimulate and support the local economy to develop production of those foodstuffs is one area. That would stimulate an incentive for more producers to start producing that. One example that I have of one business that I was speaking to—a private business—had a need for a grated cheese for their sandwiches, which they sold to supermarkets. They had their grated cheese from Dumfries, but they could not find anywhere that would grate it. The cheese went to Wales to be grated and came back. There are examples—I think that those examples are all over the place—where we could think a little more in detail about some of the supply processes and where can we support Scottish businesses to intervene in there or to develop processes or facilities to do the bit so that we can keep it in Scotland, reduce those miles and keep the business in Scotland. We are in the process of thinking about that in Glasgow. The other thing that we are thinking about is how we can use our vacant and direct land and how we can use more innovative processes in Glasgow—vertical farming and such like—to build more food production into the city boundary. Those discussions are in relatively early stages and involve thinking through where we can get funding. Having a collaborative approach in the city does help us in bidding for funding to start trying out some pilot processes of new innovative approaches to food production. There is something about thinking about seasonality and what we can produce and adapting our menu plans so that we are looking for food that is more easily produced. There is something about supporting small businesses and local businesses to develop the production processes for the food that we need and that is in demand by the public sector. There is also something about supporting local more generally, so encouraging people in general, retailers, the public sector to think about buying local. I think that there are some shops and some outlets and some retail establishments and some restaurants that do that really well. There are others that maybe do not do that and I think that more could be done around encouraging and highlighting the benefit to the local economy of using more local produce. Thank you very much, Ed. That brings us to the end of the session. Isabel, Claire, Jill and Joe, thank you very much for your time this morning. We very much appreciate it. We now move on to our third item of business today, which is consideration of two notifications from Scottish ministers for consent to the FFITO Sanitary Conditions Amendment regulations 2022 and the milk and milk products, pupils and education establishments, aid applications, England and Scotland regulations 2022 and the refer members to page 3 on page 21. Under the protocol between the Scottish Parliament and the Scottish Government, those consent notifications have been categorised as type 1, meaning that the Scottish Parliament's agreement is sought before the Scottish Government gives consent to the UK Government making secondary legislation and devolved competence. Considering the two notifications separately, in relation to the site to sanitary conditions SI notification, do any members have any comments on the consent notification, please raise your hand or type R in the chat box if you are participating remotely. Is the committee content that the provision set out in the notification should be included in the proposed UKSI? Please raise your hand or type N in the chat box. We do not agree, otherwise we are content. In relation to the milk and milk products SI notification, do any member have any comment on the consent notification? No. Is the committee content that the provision set out in the notification should be included in the proposed UKSI? Please raise your hand or type N in the chat box if you do not agree, otherwise I will presume that members are content. Finally, is the committee content to delegate authority to me to sign off a letter to the Scottish Government informing it of our decision today? We now move on to agenda item 4, which is consideration of a negative instrument. The private storage aid scheme, Pygmead Scotland amendment regulation 2021 brackets 2021, 4, 9, 2. I refer members to paper 4 on page 26. No motion to annul those instruments have been lodged. Members will note that the instruments breached the rules that require SSIs to be laid at least 28 days before they come into effect. The Scottish Government's letter to the President and Officer states that this is due to the need to act urgently to avoid an economic loss to farmers by not accepting additional cuts of Pygmead into the scheme. I can also note to the committee that we wrote to the Scottish Government with questions when we originally considered the Pygmead scheme SSI. We have yet to receive a response. Do any members have any comments on the instrument? We can certainly write to the Scottish Government for clarification on that. Are members content to note the instrument? That includes our business in public. We will now move into private session to continue the agenda.