Growing up we didn't have much but I had dedicated parents that taught me and my sisters the importance of giving back and taking care of one another.  I had severe asthma that forced me to miss a lot of school. My mom, being the compassionate person that she is, was in and out of work because of the care that I required. My dad faced racism and inequities that prevented him from obtaining upward mobility in a sustainable way. My story has become far too common in the first district of Illinois. Many of us live in poverty. Our babies are more likely to get asthma, we're more likely to have lead in our water, more likely to be shot. We know what causes gun violence in our district. It's not a lack of morals, bad parenting, or video games. It's systemic poverty. It's educational inequity. It's the lack of universal health care. It's environmental injustice. It is a system that isn't broken because it works for those that it was designed to serve. My name is Robert Image Jr. and I'm a gun violence prevention advocate, social innovator, and non-profit leader. I was raised in a small town named Maze Landing, New Jersey and I grew up in Auburn Gresham on the south side of Chicago. I'm running for Congress to get the federal government to understand that these are common-sense gun violence prevention laws that will lead to prosperity. The solutions are simple and that's what makes them innovative. A living wage, universal pre-k, and access to higher education for all of those who want it. Expansion of transportation accessibility, Medicare for all, and a green new deal. These policies and cultural shifts will allow those in our community to live with dignity. For generations folks have been saying this is why we can't wait by any means necessary and enough is enough. In this moment we cannot afford to wait our turn. Generations to come are depending on the actions we make today. In our community we march for our lives every single day but we ought to live in a world that we don't have to. Join our pursuit of peace and be a part of this movement. We are the solution. Together. Hello everyone. I am here with Robert Emmons Jr. He is a 2020 congressional candidate running in the first congressional district of Illinois and he is here to talk about his campaign. Robert, thank you so much for coming on the program. Of course. Thank you so much for having me Mike. I really appreciate it. I appreciate you coming on. It's always exciting to talk to candidates from around the country and you are from this new wave of progressives of Democrats who you are outspokenly progressive and you're running for Congress and tell me why you decided to run because if I decided to run for Congress I wouldn't know where to even begin. So what made you want to one put yourself through all of this and two be a fighter at the national level? Yeah. That's a really good question that we get at every single town hall and I answer it differently sometimes depending on what's going on in my life because there are so many different things that happen back in 2018 when I first made the decision to run for office but to not today I'll talk about just how I grew up once I moved to Chicago. So I moved to Chicago when I was 13 turning 14 years old and I distinctly remember in my high school in the south side of Chicago every now and then having an assembly on what the teachers will bring us all together and they would inform us that we had just lost a classmate, a friend, a family member, a former classmate. It's a gun violence that weekend and I remember in those moments thinking about how critical it is for us to act and to not just allow that to become normal because we are losing so many futures to senseless gun violence so when I was thinking about what I wanted to do when I finished up high school I knew I wanted to get more involved in advocacy so I applied and got admitted to the University of Illinois at our Bennett's Champaign with my two friends and which we room together our freshman year and that's when I began to really get involved in advocacy criminal justice reform gun violence prevention. You name it I really want to get involved in it and during that first year of college I remember talking to my friend one of my roommates about his grades and how they began to flip and then he received a letter from the University of Illinois at our Bennett's Champaign telling him that if he didn't get his act together he'd be kicked out and despite his best efforts to to bring his grades up he was unsuccessful and ultimately kicked out. With that he tried to remain successful and try to be resilient like he's always been but he's unsuccessful and that is what I need to move back to Chicago and when he moved back to Chicago he felt deeper into poverty and he ended up getting some getting into some bad bad things here in Chicago and in 2015 he was shot and killed.  It was predictable because he was living in a system in a society that failed him at every turn. Our economic system that allowed him to fall back into poverty when he moved at Chicago it failed him our education system so that didn't give him the adequate amount of support in order to be successful. It failed him and even our racist criminal justice system it failed him. Rehabilitating our young people is more focused on punitive measures similar to the academic probation that encountered at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. I think what drove me to run for office was even though his death was statistically speaking predictable because of what's going on in our current society it was also 100% preventable. It's preventable with a living wage, it's preventable with access to higher education for all of those who want it, it's preventable with Medicare for all, with the expansion of access to mental health care and criminal justice reform and a greening deal. So I'm running for U.S. Congress to make this the very last generation to be faced with everyday gun violence and to do so we need to address it at its root causes and that's what we've been missing in our country and the national media seem to not care as much about what goes on in communities like mine as it pertains to gun violence. So we're going to make sure that we are setting a vision for the country so that people in my community can live with dignity and live in safety and prosperity and peace. That's why we're running for U.S. Congress to fight for these progressive issues to make our lives and lives of generations become brighter than what the trajectory would suggest today. And I'm so glad that you shared that story and the reason why I like to ask people why they're running for Congress even if like generally speaking like nine times out of ten when you ask a candidate why they're running for Congress they talk about their qualifications they talk about well you know I was a mayor and I have X Y and Z qualifications but when I talk to grassroots candidates like yourself you always really you have this personal story this personal thing that happened that impacted them and the reason why I like to ask this question is because running for Congress is it's just a huge personal sacrifice like it takes so much effort like you're probably not getting any sleep so I like to ask and there's always a reason behind it and for you that personal story absolutely that resonates with people and I'm so glad that you you decided to step up now you talk about root causes I want to read a quote from you this is in your ad this is probably my favorite quote of this entire race so far so this is what you say quote it is a system that isn't broken because it works for those it was designed to serve I know what you meant by that but I want you to elaborate because that is such an amazing way to frame it and it makes so much sense so what policy prescriptions do you have to fix it yeah yeah that's I'm glad you pointed that out it was a derivative of just what I've I've seen other activists around the country saying so a lot of times you especially in a row as we talk a lot about the system being broken and dismantling the system but it occurred to me and this campaign actually that the system isn't necessarily broken unfortunately it's corrupted and it's greedy and it feeds off of the vulnerable in our communities like our criminal justice system and how it's fueled by the amount of folks who are incarcerated and how we privatize our prisons since 1984 and perpetuated policies like the 1994 crime bill with desperate at vicious cycles of poverty and in that case violence in our communities and it's working pretty well the prison industrial complex is a billion dollar industry for private institutions and so it's working pretty well but we do need to dismantle it because it's not working well for those it was designed to hurt intentionally so that's just one example of what we're fighting what we're what we're talking about when we're talking about broken systems so one thing we can do when using the criminal justice system as an example is to ban private prisons no one should profit off of folks being incarcerated it again it adds to this this ugliness that has existed in America for a few decades in which case I know you've seen the stats the United States has 5% of the world's population and 25% of the world's prison population and one out of that means that one out of every 110 citizens have been incarcerated with it within their lifetime and that's an extremely vicious capitalist way of repairing our society when someone does misbehaving in some way so we need to ban private prisons all together and and invest in making sure that our system our criminal justice system is curated around repair and restoration and rehabilitation and not just punitive measures that just don't work and that's why our recidivism rate here in this country is so high and that's what we mean when we say that the system is working pretty well because the folks who profit off of that are benefiting from recidivism and keeping those keeping those jails as full of prisons as full as possible yeah and that's so important it's a really good way I think to differentiate yourself from other candidates because people will just look at this mass incarceration crisis in our country and think wow this must be a flaw of our system how can this happen but if you think about it and you know about capitalism it's functioning exactly as you would expect because the goal of capitalism is to take every single component of our society and commodify it turn it into some type of money-making venture and so when you start turning prisons into this money-making venture and health care into a money-making venture I mean we really can't be surprised because this is exactly the way the system is designed so it it it takes people like you to come out and say the system isn't broken we just have a system that doesn't work for normal people and I think that's so important and for people now to come out and you know criticize capitalism I do really see the overtime window starting to kind of nudge to the left and it's all because of grassroots activists such as yourself people who are really saying maybe it's okay to criticize capitalism you can consider yourself a capitalist but if you are going to allow things these things to happen then maybe you know maybe capitalism isn't what you thought it was you know we think about the glorious things about capitalism I love my you know my PlayStation 4 you know I we love the clothes and whatnot but we don't think about the way that this affects people at you know a very very concrete level in terms of us getting our basic necessities so it's it's incredibly important that's why I want to bring up that quote because it really stuck out to me and I absolutely love it but let me ask so hypothetically speaking you're elected to Congress there's a lot of things that we have to do to change the system but there's only so much time so let's just say we get the best case scenario we get you know a Bernie Sanders president and a Democratic House and Congress or and Senate so in that first year what do you think realistically you'd be able to accomplish if you get elected because this is something that for me there's so many different policies that I want to pass I don't think I would be able to figure out like where to begin I would my head would be spinning so what would you do in the first year that you think would be feasible in a in an ideal world in which you just painted out the scenario the I believe that's the best thing that I can do for the people of the Illinois first congressional district is push as hard as I can and advocate with members of the House and the Senate to reverse the Dickey amendment so that the CDC can study gun violence as a public health epidemic gun violence is a disease and it is contagious and it is killing thousands the dozens of thousands of Americans every every year and until we can begin to truly study it and get down to the root causes of everyday gun violence we're not going to be able to to address it the way we're supposed to I am a social innovator by profession I go around the world with the innovation lab known as a leash bringing together a thousand young people from around the world to solve some of our most pressing issues focus on the United Nations sustainable development goals and one of the things we start off with is the research and allowing that to to to influence how we design programming and how we make decisions because we we got it to end the epidemic of everyday gun violence now not later 100,000 Americans are either wounded or killed by a person with a gun whether that be themselves or or someone in their communities every year at that rate there are going to be a million Americans that will have been directly impacted by gun violence within 10 years that is a crisis that isn't talked about enough and only talked about when there is a national mass shooting with which the media centers in on but this is going on in our communities every single day and and we have to solve it and we have to solve it once and for all but to start like I said reversing the the Dickey amendment so we can actually study gun violence and allow that research to influence our decision and how we we advocate and continue to fight for a peaceful peaceful world and all of our communities that's awesome what else would would you think would be feasible because that actually is something that I think there would actually be a large enough consensus to where that would get done because like it really is it's absurd that the CDC can't study gun violence that doesn't even make any sense and of course you know that is written exclusively just for the gun lobby it's it's embarrassing that that is even a thing and I actually do think that that even the democratic party would be on board with that that's kind of a basic step what else do you think could be accomplished in that first year because you're going to have a lot of people like what I noticed is that each candidate running for congress they all kind of have their own bread and butter like some are focused on health care some are focused on housing rights and you're coming to congress with you know a gun reform agenda so what else do you think could be accomplished in that first year because I feel like if we truly do get all three branches old maybe not supreme court of course that's not something but I mean electorally speaking if we can elect you know a democratic house senate and white house then that first year I think we can accomplish a lot so what else do you think could be done realistically speaking absolutely I think we're in a green deal which is also gun violence and that's what we've been saying around our district and around the country the green new deal has the federal jobs guarantee portion of it also would help reverse the impacts of environmental racism that our communities are facing in this in this investment communities around the country we can pass Medicare for all again gun violence prevention uh gun violence prevention policies with the expansion of mental health care for members of my community that are suffering immense amounts of trauma that perpetuate cycles of violence I think we can pass education reform the the way we fund schools and in Illinois is are heavily based off of housing taxes which means if you live in a core community your school is likely to be under resourced which which is an injustice in and of itself and again set up intentionally like that so we can we can pass all these progressive issues and the reason why I feel prepared to champion a lot of a lot of the policies I just I just I just explained and and listed out is when you think about a lot of these progressive issues that we fight for the issues themselves the disproportionately impact black men under the age of 35 like our criminal justice system like education like gun violence yet we don't have a single member of congress that fits this demographic either in the house or the senate so that means we're missing a key voice in congress right now one that understands the interconnectivity of these issues having gone through it having been from a community that is facing it and having friends and family that face these obstacles and fortunately for a good amount of us overcome them through resilience but we're missing that voice right now I believe I can bring in the stories of of my district and bring in the stories of people around the country to begin building more bridges in congress so that way my kids your kids our grandkids aren't aren't fighting for the same things that we have to fight for right now that's the mark of a sustainable society is generation after generation uh progressing and that's the way I look at progressivism and that's why I happily call myself a progressive and given that scenario that you illustrated an ideal world as long as we're physically engaged right now we can realize that I believe that the the sky isn't even the limit for what we accomplish and then lastly here's a big kick in my we gotta we gotta figure out a way to get money out of politics yeah because that is that is what what is hurting and stunting our growth as a country even though you have 90 plus percent of the country as believing that we need comprehensive background checks we saw the congress that that isn't moving the way it's supposed to we got got mitch mcconnell uh holding hr 8 hr uh 1112 uh on on his desk because of influence is like uh like the nr a um another very special interest that prevents them from actually moving um but we need to get money out of politics and I believe we can do that with a progressive uh uh executive and legislative branch and then uh we got some work to do on the supreme court and we're going to uh we could talk about it and then we got some work we got some work to do yeah that's a whole different conversation I took off the phone with my communications director we're writing a blog on on it so uh so express on my mind yeah uh get that absolutely oh for sure for sure there there's we could we could literally talk for 24 hours straight about everything no so basically what you all talked about is it's phenomenal you laid out like your agenda you cited the lowest common denominator but let me ask you this though so you're running against bobby rush um he's been in there since I believe the uh the 90s I want to say I don't know the exact year um so you're running against someone who doesn't have as high of a profile as other democrats so my question is oh hang on a second I just activated Siri okay sorry so my question is um what is it about bobby rush that makes you feel as if you would be a better voice for individuals in that first district of illinois because for like if for example we have shahid buttar running against nancy polosi mackayla wilkes running against teni hoyer so to people who aren't in that district it's obvious but for your district you kind of have to lay it out a little bit more for people who aren't there and don't have the context so why do you feel as if you are better suited to represent that district than bobby rush yeah that's a great question um and one that's critical um in terms of developing contrast between me and the current incumbent in which I respect um and I I honor his years of activism in the 60s and in the 70s um but since he's been a congressman um he was elected the same year in which I was born uh I'm 26 years old um he's been a congress for 26 years my birthdays and four I guess about three weeks uh happy birthday I only want to be able to do that thank you I won't be able to use that talking place for about a month since he was elected in the general election in November 1990 so we'll we'll stop using that for a month it's a good one but it's still at 26 and 26 and 26 um in 1994 um he voted for the disastrous crime bill a lot of democrats were were wrong about about that that crime bill um and I I do think that it did originate with good intent but it had terrible um impact on on black and brown communities around the country um instituting three three strikes and you're out uh and uh you just go on and on about how bad that was um and we would have given bobby rush a pass um because of the information that was available then well it's available now um but 25 years later um in the mayoral election here in chicago um he supported a candidate uh for for mayor and there were plenty to choose from um that in broad daylight in an effort uh to reduce crime propose that we spend 50 million dollars in drones surveillance um in black and brown communities that is the same the same methods that the 1994 crime bill um instituted which does nothing but militarize and criminalize communities so that means bobby rush even though he said that was the the worst thing he's ever voted for um he hasn't learned from it um and it's important to learn from your mistakes so that's that that's that's one thing another thing that that that just makes us drastically different um is our understanding of how to solve the climate crisis uh bobby rush sits on the committee on energy and commerce um so the green new deal uh resolution went through his jurisdiction in which he called a smashing graph um that he's glad is out of his committee um and that should come at no surprise to the people of the first congressional district or folks around the country uh because bobby rush is also taking money from the fossil fuel industry um and this is all the while uh we including myself um in the first district of Illinois have some of the highest levels of asthma uh than any other place in the country yet we have a sitting congressman who had who is in the committee that could help solve the climate crisis um by passing resolution um that would put us on the trajectory towards reversing the impact of climate and guaranteeing jobs and i've already alluded to the fact that that is gun violence prevention right there uh bobby rush is uh is out of touch uh with his constituency because the vast majority of the people i speak to in the first district of Illinois they want the green new deal uh they want medicare for all they want us to address gun violence at its root causes um bobby rush is is late to the party um and what we've been saying and what other progressives around the country have been saying is out of touch out of office yeah 20 years ago 20 years ago president barack obama ran against bobby rush um in 2000 and barack obama uh then state senator barack obama said that bobby rush was out of touch and it was time for change it's been 20 years since then so you can only imagine what the people of the first district feel currently and that is why folks all around the district are so excited about this election um in our candidacy because our mindset is fixated on the belief that we are the solution together meaning one person alone one election alone it will not solve the issues at hand but when we come together actively pursuing justice and peace we can solve all of these problems uh but we got to do it together and that is what i've been doing um as a gun violence prevention advocate as a non-profit leader and as a social innovator both locally nationally and even internationally to solve some of these big issues and i always do it with my community not just for uh but with and that really is the difference i think between grassroots candidates and community organizers people who just know the issues of their community and someone who's been in congress for years decades and like they just grow out of touch like this is kind of a similar story that i'm hearing but you know throughout the country you know their candidates are running against someone who has been there forever and maybe at first they had a lot of new fresh innovative ideas but time has passed and they kind of just grew complacent and comfortable and just feel like well you know i'm here i don't have to do much i have you know the power of incumbency behind me um and and just this is what i'm hearing and it's so important that we get new blood in there especially when it comes to the issue of climate change because you know impacting violence in your community that's something that you can you can make a huge amount of progress with but in terms of like representing our entire generation that's also incredibly important because it's people like you and i who we have to think about when you're when we are senior citizens what the world will be like after climate change really takes a toll and it's scary you know so it's nice to see people step up and run for congress and i already know that anyone who's watching this they already are going to be behind you 100 um i think the choice is absolutely clear so let me just have you make your pitch to my viewers um tell them what we can do to help you where we can donate and how we can get involved because if you get elected that's good not just for the first district of illinois this is good for all of us because you're fighting for everyone across the country this is a national movement so what can we do to help robert emin jr get into congress thank you so much mike i want to point we have now received contributions uh from folks in 41 different states around the country um about ending every day gun-off by addressing it as root causes some of the media oftentimes overlook we're making sure that the entire same page um in terms of fighting for peace and fighting for safety um we're fighting for for this generation to be the last generation face with such violence um so we we need your support so visit our website at robert emin dot org find us a volunteer donate to our grassroots campaign um the current congressman bobby russ for decades has been taking money from the fossil fuel industry and other corporate packs that is not what we stand for what we hand for is giving the keys to the house back to the people and the people are the only only the only folks that we will be loyal to when we make it into congress in 2021 so join the movement and we're looking forward to to change this country together and we are all going to be rooting for you let me just make my pitch that i always do for candidates um it's you know there's a lot of people running for congress and so it's difficult we're kind of stretching ourselves thin just as a movement but even if you have just like a spare dollar every single penny helps because when you're going up against someone who is part of the establishment that political status quo that is well financed you know you need people to get behind you and it seems like you've really hit a nerve because to get donations from 41 different states i mean think of that's so unprecedented right i mean to think that just 10 years ago what you're doing would be even possible um it really does give me hope like everyone it's easy to be cynical but to see everyone across the country rising up just normal everyday americans who care who care about the issues that affect their community it really is it's just it gives me hope so thank you for running and please to all of the people watching consider supporting robert um anything you can do to help if you can't donate money then donating time is also incredibly crucial and just spreading the word goes a long way so it's uh robert emins dot org and on twitter you can follow him at our emins 2020 robert thank you so much for coming on it's been a pleasure it's been a pleasure thanks so much mike appreciate it


SiliconANGLE TV and wikibond.org present Oracle Open World 2011. And now host John Furrier and Dave Vellante on theCUBE. Okay, we're back at Oracle Open World. I'm John Furrier, the founder of siliconangle.com, siliconangle.tv, and I'm here with my co-host. I'm Dave Vellante at wikibond.org, and John, we're here live. It's another amazing event, our second year in a row, and I was just going deep into back up, but you were trolling. What's happening out there? Dave, well, you know, as you know theCUBE is our flagship telecast for going in-depth to events, and we're at the biggest event going on right now besides CES in Las Vegas, and it's Oracle Open World. We're here in San Francisco, California, where they're shutting down the streets downtown, and traffic's gridlock, Larry Ellison, the billionaire's out putting his company out there. All his customers are in town doing biz dev, doing a party, and there's no, there can't get into any restaurants. It's really a packed house here in San Francisco, so if you're going to San Francisco, don't go there. It's like $1,000 a night for a hotel room. There's no hotel rooms to begin with. You got to drive to Santa Clara as your next available. Go to New York and save a couple hundred bucks. Yeah, just go to Hawaii and chill out on the beach, and follow siliconangle.com, you'll get all the coverage. But seriously, Oracle Open World, the action right now is that for the most part, there's a lot of mobile conversations out in the industry, not much here. So the news that I see on the floor and walking around the show here is that not a big discussion around mobile, okay? At SAP, Sapphire is a big mobile conversation. So there's that big issue. The other one is that Java One is dominating the online Twitter stream. Not a surprise, Java One is geeky, it's tech, and people are interested because they're programmers. And the other thing is that last night, Mark Benioff, linked to siliconangle.com's post, calling when we called Larry, it's the probably the worst keynote, Alex Williams wrote, the worst keynote he's ever seen. Mark Benioff actually retweeted, he's ever seen from Larry. Well, yeah, I think in general, he was intimating that from probably Larry's. But Benioff, obviously highlighted that post when he was very active in the Twitter stream, and Mark Benioff, who's the founder of salesforce.com, said Toto were not in Kansas anymore, kind of reference to the whole keynote. And Mark has been very vocal, he's going to be giving a talk here. But Dreamforce was big as well, and they spent like zillions of dollars and they had kind of bands there. So there's a big dynamic between salesforce and Oracle, obviously, SAP and Oracle Conversation. We heard from you on the backup, there's a lot of technologies going on around the database that's important. And so for the developers out there, and for enterprises, you know, the database conversation is the hottest thing right now, and it's really around performance and approach, close versus open, and performance. Again, that's here. Again, what I'm not seeing is the mobile conversation. Well, everybody's talking about the iPhone launch tomorrow, right? Yeah, iPhone 5, you know. And then the Apple, obviously, is the first event, Dave, where Steve Jobs will not be there. I have friends at Apple, they flew to Japan, there's going to be a worldwide global announcement around the iPhone. And it's really the first event where Steve will not be present. I understand they're not streaming it live, right? Probably for that reason. They don't want Tim to get trashed on the Twitter back channel. I haven't heard that, so. Yeah, that's why I had heard that. And it kind of makes sense, right? Kind of protecting Tim a little bit, but. The other news out there that's on the mainstream right now is Google's defending its motor roll acquisition. This won't screw us as a direct quote from Eric Schmidt. And then there was some posts that we highlighted on SiliconANGLE. My personal blog, which I highlighted, SiliconANGLE.com slash Furrier, F-U-R-R-I-E-R. Go check out my blog. That's where I have my unfiltered opinions. So I had. I can attest to that, John. I created a separate site. No gloves in that site. I created a separate site for the unfiltered opinion. I guess it's not SiliconANGLE.com worthy in terms of main content. But you're going to get aggressive in that blog. The thing I like about that site, John, is you're here in Silicon Valley. I mean, I'm 3,000 miles away in Boston. You see all the action. You get a lot of inside baseball. And it's a good platform for you to just share that. Well, for example, I wrote a post on my personal blog and I said, actually in the title, I said, HP should punch Oracle in the face. And I got a comment on Twitter. I've never seen that in a title before. But that thing went viral. And my point is, this is an environment where HP needs to step up and punch Oracle in the face. Because Oracle's been pounding HP into the ground with Mark Herd, there's references of takeover, obviously the Leo Apatecker, debacle, Ray Lane, Larry, so this is a real storyline there with HP and Oracle that's real. What's going on at HP though, John?  I mean, what would you do if you were Ray Lane? Would you find somebody else to be Ray Lane? Or what would you do? Well, there's a lot of politics at the board. I mean, first of all, I think HP did the right thing by getting rid of Leo Apatecker. He didn't come on theCUBE. Had he been on theCUBE, he might have maybe stayed longer at HP. You heard what was it? Was it Todd Nielsen? Said that the data that's discussed on theCUBE gets into our product plans. Maybe that would have happened at HP. theCUBE has a far-reaching reach into HP. So Leo, you know, if you had stayed on theCUBE at HP Discover, you might have been safe. No, seriously, and all seriousness, putting that aside, you know, getting someone in there like Meg Whitman is good. I thought they could promote from within, but I guess Donna Telly and Bradley did not pass the vetting process from what I heard sources close to the company. The boards and shambles. And mainly because HP's trying to get back to the old HP way. It's been really a decade-long struggle since Carly Farina left HP and she destroyed the company through her style, shutting down offices, taking the pictures of Bill and Dave off the wall. So, you know, there's some history there and that's just kind of the process. What I would do to answer your question is I would basically take the big, powerful part of the organization, ESSN, I'd keep the PCGP, whatever you want to call PSG, personal computer group, I'd retool it. I would definitely not get rid of WebOS. WebOS is a major asset, so much to the point where a very well-senior, very senior engineer with an Apple told me privately, WebOS is actually a really great operating system and really the only threat to Apple. And I can't believe that HP's thrown that away.  PC division, I would retool and go up to the tablets, low price point, $99 and go aggressively in there and win that market. You made a point at VMworld when we were on live. You said when Dave has a company ever got rid of something that was an asset that where it was number one? I mean, HP's number one in personal computers has a huge brand and they're going to just, you know, call out on there on that. They're inside the red zone, as we say, in football. Why would they actually get rid of it? They can certainly retool and they have the executives to do that. The services business, they bought EDS, they have an army of sales and they have a supply chain expertise. HP is not a hurting company. All the problems that HP, Dave, has been the ivory tower and I think Meg Whitman and Ray are addressing that and I think they're on the right path. Autonomy is a whole different story.  It was essentially, you know, do the buyout. Just bag the deal. It cost you $117 million, you know, a fee, but I read recently, Meg said, it's basically by UK law, we got to go through with it. Yeah, yeah. Well, I have even a breakup fee. Yeah, you read that on, you read that on SiliconANG because I broke that story after the Financial Times intimated that. But basically what happened is, is that they could break it up. They're afraid they'd get sued. Technically they could, but HP's committed to the deal. I talked to folks a couple of weeks ago. Absolutely, they are committed to doing the deal. It's going to be a done deal. I retract my prediction that that would not go through. Even though I think they didn't need to do it, I think they did it out of fear. And one theory I do have is that Larry Ellison was instrumental in HP overpaying for autonomy. And we wrote, we broke the story on SiliconAngle.com where Frank Quattrone's slides from the CEO of autonomy was leaked through an Oracle blog post. I'm sorry, not an Oracle blog post, Oracle press release. It looked like a blog post. Most unique press release I ever saw. I've never seen a corporation in the history of the world release documents like that. So, hats off to Oracle for the aggressiveness. Again, that's why HP should punch up in the face getting back to that blog post. But what Oracle showed was that the CEO of autonomy shopped the deal to Oracle prior to HP closing. And we all know Frank Quattrone is Mr. Auction model. He loves to get the deals up on these prices. So he probably told HP, we're going to see Mark Herd. You don't sign on the line that's dotted. And they probably said, okay, 10 billion, you got me. So I think that's my theory there. I think autonomy never really was in play with Oracle. If anything, Oracle would like to see HP spend more money. Frank Quattrone is the Scott Boris of Silicon Valley Tech.  We've been saying it on theCUBE since we started theCUBE a year ago. Apple Envy is all over the world. And I think Oracle's got a long way to go to even put themselves in the same sentence as Steve Jobs. The only thing that Oracle has in common with Steve Jobs is that Larry Ellison has been around as long as Steve has. So, John, we're here live at Oracle Open World. We're inside the Q-Logic booth. We should mention that. I know where, you know, get a lot of people out there on just in TV, a lot of gamers. Q-Logic provides the infrastructure for computing, all the bits passing through, you know, Q-Logic cards and devices. And they keep the data flowing. So thank you to Q-Logic for having us here. It's a great spot, great venue. It's a little different vibe than the VM world. I mean, I think, you know, Q-Logic, if it wasn't for Q-Logic and EMC and others that supported us to get here, shout out to EMC's Backup and Recovery team for supporting us here with some sponsorship. But ultimately, Dave, independent media that we are, we have to kind of call it as we see it. And SiliconANGLE on this show is that Oracle is the 500-pound gorilla in the room. They're a big incumbent company. And when we talk about just in TV and the environment that we share content with, they're gamers. They don't know about Larry Ellison. A lot of the guys who are under 30, like Larry Who, is another guy on the yacht, the billionaire. He's been around the industry for a while, but the future business model is going to be about gaming. It's going to be about openness. It's going to be about new applications. So Steve Jobs certainly is disrupting the marketplace, but companies like Oracle really need to open up that innovation to enable new products, new markets. How do games run faster? How do people share more on mobile devices? We heard people complaining, I can't get your content on the mobile device. Well, that's because it runs on Oracle. Only kidding. But that's the reality. I mean, you can make the stuff bigger and bigger and fatter. At the end of the day, you hit a performance point, it's monolithic. It's a big, centralized approach. And that's what Oracle's trying to do, and we'll see if they can change the direction. Well, it's just, you know, Oracle, as we were talking about earlier, they spend a lot of money on R&D. So they got the chops to respond. When a big industry train comes along like a dupe, or data in memory, like SAP HANA, what do they do? They go develop something, they put it out there. You know, early release. But what it does do is freezes the market. All the Oracle DVAs and companies who run Oracle say, oh, Oracle's got that. Oracle says, we got that. What do you want? We got big data. So Mark Andreessen, who's a big time venture capitalist now, founder of the browser, co-founder of Netscape, Cloud Cloud, he's on the board of HP, he's on the board of Facebook. Mark Andreessen is, he's got his hands in all the action. I mean, you're on the board of Facebook.  He said that in his portfolio of Andreessen Horowitz, not one of his startups buys Oracle databases. So, you know, Mark Andreessen essentially saying that Oracle's days are numbered. Mark Benioff would also argue that Andreessen's right. Folks at companies like EMC and others probably agree privately that Oracle's days are numbered. Mainly because they're the incumbent and ultimately have to change. Right now, Oracle has a lot of market power and they do a lot of R&D like you pointed out. So they have to constantly stay ahead of the curve and deliver value. So far they're doing it. Still, huge power player in the marketplace. And yeah, the question is if they don't move fast enough, then the marketplace will react.  I mean, I'd be interested in what the timeframe would be because I just see Oracle as just an incredibly effective, you know, execution machine throwing off tons of cash. You can not like their strategy. You can not like their lock-in, but you know, they're getting it done. And so I would not predict the demise of Oracle but they don't have, they'll buy. You know, Larry Ellison used to criticize his competitors for writing checks and not writing code and then he changed the rules of the game. So you know what, times have changed. I'm going to start writing checks and buying companies. And that really set forth the sea of acquisitions and has really fundamentally changed the business forever, culminating in the sun acquisition, which has really put a lot of pressure on what were traditional friends of Oracle are now, you know, frenemies to use one of your words. And you know, HP and Oracle was with Unix Databases was a famous attack on IBM's mainframe business and it really helped neutralize IBM's monopoly. So I'm going to just share, we have a lot of folks out there who are new to the industry watching on some of our outlets that we're syndicating to, including Justin TV. Just some buzzwords folks out there of the kind of concepts that Oracle's playing in the enterprise and in the main cloud market. Because when you think of cloud, you think about Amazon. Amazon obviously made a play for WebOS. Amazon and Google are the big players in cloud. Words like business intelligence, open source, MySQL, data analytics, and I'm reading from SiliconANGLE's proprietary dashboard that we have for our monitoring tools. Mobile data, open source, companies like IBM, Hadoop, private cloud, data, data visualization. So these are, we should explain, these are filtered tweets basically from the fire hose that are really relevant to what we do and in the enterprise, right? So we have a proprietary tool that essentially filters out the sector that Oracle plays in. We call it Vertical Engine. And right now the top trending items within this vertical, industry vertical is open source Apache referencing the Apache Foundation which is driving Hadoop and a lot of the standards around open source. Big data, obviously hot with NoSQL analytics. MySQL, NoSQL, VMware, cloud services and business intelligence and business analytics. So that's the core area that we see being disrupted right now that's being talked about on Twitter by the most influential people in the industry. And that's debatable who's influential and what we have identified those influential people and these are, this is by the way, real crowdsourcing information. This isn't like the press that are pandering to Oracle. Like for example, GigaOm just gave a positive review on Larry Ellison. I love GigaOm, but I mean, come on, GigaOm.  So come on. So it's interesting, John, a lot of the things that you're talking about Apache, NoSQL, you don't necessarily associate those with Oracle but you mentioned earlier that Java one is really a very active, right? It's a concurrent event with Oracle OpenWorld. What's going on in your mind with Java and open source with Oracle? Well, so like we talked about the trending items around MySQL and NoSQL. So in, and you mentioned the R&D that Oracle invests in. Oracle's number one job right now is to make sure that they don't get screwed into a position of being boxed as this monolithic mainframe, old big iron machine. And that's essentially their cloud strategy right now. So Exadata and now Excellent Analytics and Parallelism are great concepts for them. I like the direction. If they could pull that off, it's a home run for them. We'll see. However, the guys who actually build the code are all really gravitating towards things like Hadoop. Apache Software Foundation, which is the open source foundation for, around Apache and all those technologies. Hadoop is the fastest growing open source project in the history of Apache Software Foundation. MySQL has been a great database that now Oracle has is being threatened by NoSQL technologies. And you're seeing a tons of startups out there developing it. So Java one is very important part of the equation. So it's a small part of the event but it's very popular with geeks. It's going on right now in the other half of San Francisco. Yeah, so I mean, again, we talked about this earlier. One of the things that Oracle got when it picked up Sun was it got Java. It didn't want to allow IBM to control Java because a lot of applications, most applications in Oracle are written in Java. Now, you know, Oracle controls its own destiny there. You think IBM's kicking itself or not purchasing Sun or do you think it's just a better fit inside of Oracle? I think it's a better fit inside Oracle. I think IBM acquiring Sun, I don't think it was a fit culturally for IBM. Is too much overlap? Well, well, two reasons. You've pointed out before that Oracle buy, I mean, IBM buys deals. They don't do the mega acquisitions. They buy value. And I think that's a value play with Sun but still a lot of money for them. And two, there's overlap on the product. So, and this thing is too big of an acquisition for IBM to swallow given the massive size of it. But IBM is very strong right now. I got to say IBM is very strong financially and their customer base is growing. It's robust. We see them on our radar all the time, on our monitoring tool, very active in the social sphere as well. Very good. Yeah, it's services led business model is working. You know, you were talking about Carly Fee and Rena before and I infer from your comments that you're not a huge fan. But one of the things she wanted to do, she wanted to buy PWC. Now, of course, she wanted to pay a lot more than IBM into the paying. IBM acquired PWC for what in retrospect was, you know, a song, perhaps one of the better acquisitions ever in the computer industry behind VMware. EMC's acquisition of VMware. But, you know, great. It helped transform IBM into the services powerhouse and consulting powerhouse that it is today. Well, I mean, I'm not sure about that. I mean, IBM picked it up because HP couldn't get the deal done. Carly Fee and Rena, if you remember, went after PWC and that was her first board interaction that ultimately led to her demise, but she ended up forcing the compact down the throat of HP. She wanted to do a deal. I mean, IBM clearly was ahead of the curve on the services and they went there and that's who they are now. IBM's not the big computer company they once were. They're very, very diversified. I wouldn't say General Electric like GE like, but they're still a very strong diversified company. Still slow. I mean, you talk to IBM people, you know, Ray Wang was giving them a lot of props for being great marketing. I don't think so. I think IBM's got great, you know, marketing when you look at it from a TV standpoint. Corporate. They got corporate marketing. They got great TV commercials. They got billboards. But they are definitely not a leader in social media at all. I mean, I think they have a lot of activation out there, but I just don't see them being doing well in social media. Well, they're really not a product company, right? I mean, I look at Oracle as a product company. I look at a company like EMC as a product company and the marketing is much more product oriented. Oracle, I mean, IBM is a big services company and that's what the messaging, that's why I think the messaging is so good. Well, I think they got Lotus Nodes. They have a lot of this, you know, they had member of the Lotus Nodes. They still have those kinds of unified communication solutions out there. They could have brought a Facebook to the table. Companies like Jive and Yammer, it shouldn't even be around because IBM is letting them. So these startups like Yammer are getting in there because IBM lets them.  So let's just see what's going on around the web today, Dave, because you know, right now we know that, you know, SiliconANGLE is leading the charge in enterprise and big data. The big data world is very interesting. We've got Hadoop World coming up. SiliconANGLE.tv, SiliconANGLE.com will be broadcasting live at Hadoop World in New York City next month. Let's talk about some other CUBE events coming around the corner. Maybe do some one day cues, maybe go to Europe again. So we might bring that game out to Europe. So a lot of tech action going on. What do you think, in your opinion, is going on with the whole cloud meets storage interaction? We'll be talking about storage paradigms becoming so fast. We've heard it, you know, from Facebook, we've heard it from Facebook to VMware now, Oracle, that, you know, solid state drives, flash memory is changing the game on architecture. I think, you know, we like to use sports analogies here in the CUBE. I think it's the early part of the game here. It's maybe the third inning. Second and third inning as it relates to cloud. I don't think we've seen the disruption yet.  We had Shutterfly on John on a Wikibon peer insight, and they told us that they were able to take their cost per terabyte or cost per byte or cost per bit, however you want to measure it, and reduce it by two thirds. So if they were paying a dollar, they're now paying 33 cents, you know, per whatever unit. Now, that's disruptive, and that was a, you know, a true cloud use case, an example. You haven't seen as many of those. So what's happening in my mind is the cloud storage is not big enough yet to offset the traditional legacy business, and the legacy business is snapping back from the recession, it's still growing. And, as David Floyer wrote, you've got this kind of oligopoly, or what he called a cartel, that's emerged. You've got four or five or six companies that are basically, you know, keeping prices high, working with VMware and, you know, competing against each other, and sort of staving off a lot of the little guys, and I think eventually the cloud is going to completely disrupt this business. I think a lot of these guys are positioning for that. I think the big storage companies realize it, and, you know, they're investing in it. You saw EMC do app most, you see, you know, NetApp making some acquisitions, but they've really not paid off yet. I think some of them will, some of them won't. But, you know, I think the Amazon model, the whole S3 model, is just highly disruptive, because most, his wife, most of the world's data doesn't belong on traditional enterprise disk. And I would say it's at least 70 to 80% of it. All this data growth, and all this notion of unstructured data growth, and 1.2 Zettabytes, it most of it belongs in the cloud. Sorry to break into this, but breaking news, Sean Parker is now on Twitter. The folks don't know, Sean Parker was the inventor, one of the co-founders of Napster, first president of Facebook, obviously in the movie, the social network, he was, Justin Timberlake played him. He had just sent a tweet out, sorry, Zuck, I had to do it someday, meaning Zuckerberg. So Sean Parker is now officially on Twitter. His handle is S Parker. In other Napster-related news, Napster is being bought by Rhapsody. That's breaking news today. So, let's go back to Sean Parker. You know, I just sent him a tweet, said you rule, let's see if he follows me back. This guy is a Maverick, young gun, obviously cares about tech. The guy's cool. I mean, he wants to create an environment where development can be open, and very hacker culture. He also throws the kick-ass parties in San Francisco. So, he just had his big party with Spotify. So, kudos to him, and let's see what he does with that. What else is going on? I'll see the Apple announcement tomorrow. I'm just so bullish on Apple right now.  Yeah, I'll get the new iPhone 5, sure. Definitely, my iPhone 4 is getting a little bit beat up, so, you know, time to get a new one.  I mean, they're good. I mean, the iPad, still to this day, I said at CES in January, no one's even comes close to them. I mean, there's some Android products out there, but it is hard to do. The engineering behind the iPad is so phenomenal. It's just a great product. I'll see everyone's on board with it. It's just great. I saw the Blackberry tablet walking through the airport the other day, you know, I mean, cutting prices, and we saw what happened with HP. It's just, it's unbelievable that the competition just can't touch them. What's your prognosis, though, John?  I think the prognosis is good for Apple. I think, you know, the succession plan was carefully orchestrated by the company. The company is pumping on all cylinders. Their retail outlets are amazing. The great margin, great channel, distribution of high quality products, great brand mind share with users. I mean, ever since I got a Mac, I've never had a virus on it, so it's been phenomenal. I know the PCPurus out there will be like, you know, kicking me, although I have some PCs at home. But just overall, their products are great, and if Tim Cook can bring that Mojo and continue with their great engineering they have, they're going to be good. Yeah, I mean, they're obviously a great company, and so you feel, I agree with you by the way, that that company is going to be here for a while. I mean, they're the number one value tech company out there, which is tremendous story, and seeing that come full circle, you know, after jobs got squeezed out. But you know, another comment you made, John, when we were talking about the HP scenarios, is you said, you know, imagine if when the Apple board went and tapped jobs to come back, and he said, you know what, because at the time the PC business was hurting, Apple was irrelevant, imagine if you said, well, we're going to get out of PCs and go buy a services company. Yeah, this is my argument for HP. So my argument for HP is just that, Apple was a massive turnaround led by Steve Jobs. HP can actually get in the business and disrupt Apple. They have WebOS, WebOS is a weapon. Android, as you see with all the mobile patents, is being threatened by this. And if you look at what Amazon did with the Kindle and Fire, there's a lot of debates going on, there's a great post on Furrier, my blog, silkenangle.com, so that's Furrier, where I posted, boom, the mobile angle, by Jean-Louis Gasse, and I added another link on there from the guy who was the CTO of Palm, two great posts about mobile. If you're really interested in knowing about what's going on in mobile, go to my blog and read that post. There are two posts that I linked to that are very deep that tell the future. If you're a developer or you're interested in knowing the future of mobile, go to that post. Because mobile is still up for grabs. HP has core competency in this area. They should definitely focus hard on it. They could win that in three to four years, have a great position. Number two, number three, easy. All they got to do is wake up, hit the alarm clock, and they're number three in the business. Just on the supply chain alone. So HP, realize that, make Whitman, stay in the PC business, win the number three, number two position, and fight for number one, and see what turns your way. So it's probably a good time to mention, John. I mean, for a lot of you out there, Oracle Open World might be new, the tech business might be new, you know, I can get confusing. The buzzwords, the acronyms, I mean, it's just brutal, right? So go to siliconangle.com, go to siliconangle.tv, check out services angle, our newest publication, check out wikibon.org, the wiki, where we do the deep research, and you'll find a lot of resources. John just mentioned a number of them. Today on Wikibon, Floyer has a piece, David Floyer, our CTO, up on Oracle, on extreme computing claims. Oracle came out with some new Spark super cluster chips saying that we're number one, and he squinted through that, and said, well, not really. So take a look at that. On the wikibon blog, I've got a piece up there today on Oracle Open World and what to expect.  You know, check that out. And so if you have questions, hopefully we have answers on those resources. If we don't, send us a note, send us a tweet. I'm at D. Volante, he's at Furrier. Check us out, ask a question. We'll try to get an answer for you. Yeah, I mean, siliconangle.com is a site that I started a couple of years ago, then Markers and Hopkins joined me, and we've been growing ever since. We've added great writers like Alex Williams, Clint, Finley, and a lot more coming. We have Kristen Nicole, obviously came on from Mashable as well. Got a great team of writers, got an emerging writers, got the siliconangle.tv team. We've done an amazing job of staying focused on what I call quality content, and we wanted to stay low-key, mainly because we didn't want to have banner ads on our site, Dave. Banner ads on our website do not exist. Servicesangle.com, our new vertical publication, our vertical site, has sponsored logos on there, but no banner ads. Banner ads do not drive quality. They drive. Why is that? Can you explain? Because the only way to make money in the publishing business is to, with banner ads, is to have volume. You need people clicking on ads. No one clicks on ads. Ads are not cool, as we learned in the social network. Ads are not cool, but mainly, don't work.  Millions and millions of page views to make any money with banner ads. So it's a page view, yeah. So how do you get millions and millions of views? You put out content that sucks, okay? You put out content that is, for the general audience, train racks, you know, you make up rumors. If you look at all the top blogs out there, they got to where they were because they were rumor-mongering and doing all those things and have to drive for that sensationalism, the TMZ kind of programming. So we didn't want to do that. We wanted to stay focused on the quality we care about. We love gaming, we love graphics, we love big data, we love tech. So we wanted to kind of stay in the enterprise and then go from there. Yeah, so, you know, we sometimes call ourselves and have been called the ESPN of tech. And what does that mean? It means we pride ourselves of being at the events, covering the events, it's really important from an independent perspective. Yes, we get financing, funding, we get supporters like Q-Logic who help us with the infrastructure, EMC sponsored a spotlight here today and we've got other contributors and that really helps underwrite the independent research. I think people don't realize, we have a team of analysts and researchers and writers and bloggers watching the live stream. They'll be pounding the news, writing about the guests that we have, talking about what's going on at the event. We really want to cover it. So we got close to 2,000 people watching right now live concurrently. So I wanted to tell everyone there's two posts on SiliconANGLE.com. You should go read right now. One is called Hadoop, NoSQL, Big Data Job Trends. Senior editor Alex Williams just put that post up. Apple's looking for Hadoop administrators. Everyone's putting Hadoop back ends in there, no doubt. No reason, no doubt why Oracle announced Hadoop to your point, following the market with R&D and Clint Finley just put out a post called Oracle Tries to Hijack the NoSQL Movement with Big Data Appliance. So Clint's post is specifically saying that Oracle is hijacking the NoSQL Movement which is open source based by launching their proprietary appliance. So two posts to read there, worth reading. And in other news, just Facebook as I predicted is tweaking their timeline product quietly. All Facebook.com just tweaked out that or wrote a post a couple of days ago saying that Facebook is adding changes to their timeline. Obviously people loved it, some people hated it. I came out and said that that timeline is going to change the face of Facebook and we'll have minor improvements. But to me the Facebook story is really about how they're going to turn all these users into developers. If you look at the younger generation, my opinion is they're going to turn into developers. Developing, doing software development is going to be a standard for anyone in the business who has a technology product. I think that ultimately the user experience is going to move from searching and browsing and clicking to actually scripting. I think you're going to see that for the younger generation. Hacking, data science, programming, statistics. I mean I think the tools are so easy to use now. You should be able to customize your user experience and I think you're going to see the younger generation do that. You see a lot of the hackers doing it. I saw my son playing World of Warcraft the other day. I'm like, hey, how did you pay for that? He goes, oh, I just hacked it. I just have a created server on Amazon. He's 16. So that's cool. I think that's really cool. That's the future. And I think multiplayer gaming is going to be the collaboration use case of the future. And you talk to top venture capitalists like Kleina Perkins, the guy from EA. He says the same thing. And you've talked to Stanford scientists, the people who are playing World of Warcraft, the kids playing Call of Duty, collaboration that the head set on talking to their teammates. That's the future work environment. So you have a 16-year-old, a couple of kids. And what do you advise your children? First of all, are they into tech? What do you advise them? Well, they're users of tech.  He's just a user of tech and hacking his normal user experience for him. To push the envelope for him, he's moving such an accelerated rate around tech, he needs more. So he gets on YouTube, he gets on these websites and they hack. That's one in the spectrum. I talked to some guys at Berkeley who are computer science guys. What they do for fun is, besides partying and the normal things in college, is they write their own games, social games. So that's the new environment. It's pretty exciting. And I think that's where the innovation's going to come. Just like Steve Wozniak had hacked telephone calls at Berkeley, you can see new kids come out of the block and they're going to hack Oracle. So that's why I think Oracle will be disrupted. And they'll hack data. I mean, that's the other thing that we heard from people like Hillary Mason at Bitly. Bill Schmarzo's coming on later on this week. And there's a new breed of data scientists. Now, of course, data scientists, as you know, John, have been around forever, but there's a new breed of data scientists coming out. All of a sudden, it's a hot new area. You're seeing companies like EMC provide education and training services to enable people to become data scientists because there's a lack of them. There's a predicted lack of them. And so it's a new emerging role within the enterprise. As I say, it's been around for a long time, but it's now become the hot commodity. Hal Varian, the chief economist at Google, said that it's going to be the mathematicians and the data scientists are really going to be the hot job in the coming decade. What companies do you see really making a difference out there? I mean, we are here at Oracle Open World, San Francisco, California, we're theCUBE, flagship telecasts at siliconangle.com, siliconangle.tv. But there's a lot of action going on. I mean, they're closing the streets down. This is 45,000 people are here. What companies do you see making an impact out there? Talk about those horses on the track.  Yeah, I think the little of the big is VMware. I mean, that's the sort of new kid in the block that's won a bunch of grade one races and is in terrific shape, it's hitting its stride, it's got a very, very strong ecosystem. So that's clearly one to watch. In the space that I follow, the infrastructure space and the storage space, I mean, I see, you know, we had Jay Sri Ulal on theCUBE, CEO of Arista, a very interesting company. I think in the storage space, you're seeing a lot of really disruptive companies. I would put Cleversafe on that list. Tintry is another one that we're watching. Nervonix, the cloud storage company, is another one that we're watching. I like Nervonix. I think they're a cloud play that no one's really talking about right now that has a lot of traction in the marketplace. Yeah, they're growing. Former Q-Logic guy, Scott Jennerou, Steve Zavantic, they're now over there. And they are growing, they're growing very well. And the whole notion is basically, you were asking me before about cloud storage, the difference between traditional storage and cloud storage is, you know, in cloud storage, you don't pay up front, right? You don't pay maintenance, right? You don't install it in your site.  All right, so let me ask you, which company's going to be bought? What are the big acquisitions do you see? Well, I think that you mentioned Nervonix. I think they're definitely a one that's ultimately going to go. And I think that, you know, there's a whole breed of emerging flash companies that are exploding. Solid Fire is a company that just hit the market. And, you know, Fusion I.O. just went public, right? I think Fusion I.O.'s aspirations are to stay independent for a while and make some noise, do some damage. But, you know, they need to become acquisition proof and that means they got to get bigger. Or somebody's going to pick them up because they got this awesome technology.  Thank you very much. Send them all in. We want to talk about what you want to talk about. Happy to tell you my opinion on anything. But one message we're hearing from the field out there is that Larry's messaging focuses on yachts and 10X performance. 10 times, obviously the acquisition he referred to in his keynote. The other interesting thing from a mobility standpoint, SAP at the Sapphire event, we talked about mobility being the home run. The Oracle has a user mobile computing initiative and here in their pavilion, there's only six companies that are in there. Jabra, Lenovo, MobileTron, Oracle, Mobile Field Service, Samsung and Verizon. So Jabra's the ear guys, right? Yeah, so it's like, that's nothing. That's not a representation of the mobile business. Mobile business is booming. It's the most disruptive thing we've seen on the planet besides social networking that's really changed in the game right now, so no mobile. I mean, so I think Oracle has to turn up the R&D big time to get some mobile. And I think next year you'll see that. And you know, we talked with SAP, we're looking at the CEO right now from SAP, Jim Schnabe. That's by the way, we should get Larry Ellison on the cube, that would make it interesting, wouldn't it? Can you imagine Larry Ellison coming on the cube? We had both CEOs from SAP inside the cube. Yeah, I know, and it'd be great to go toe-to-toe with Larry, wouldn't it? I don't know if we'd be able to get a word in edgewise. It'd be great, it would be a good theater either way. What else, Mark, what do you see in the news there? Anything going on, Mark Risen Hopkins, editor? Yeah, everything's happening with mobile, huh? Nothing's happening with mobile, are they? Nothing happening with mobile. It's all here. Yes, so I mean, what does mobile mean to Oracle? I mean, we saw what it meant to SAP, right? It enabled a whole new breed of applications. So you would think that Oracle's applications, people would want to put them on mobile, the mobile enterprise, the app store for the enterprise. So here's a comment that we're seeing here.  I just put that in there, it's basically stars. You could put the word you want to put in there. Equipment in classes for high tech learning are extremely expensive. Hardware equipment in the tens of thousands of dollars.  Why would I put all my personal data in someone else's hard drive? Talking about the cloud. Privacy, just in general, you know, this is the theme. So again, this is the monolithic big iron vision that I was talking about. No, I think that comment is basically is responding to my comments on that most of the world's data will be in the cloud. And my response to that would be that in most cases, I think cloud service providers are going to do a better job protecting your data and storing your data than you will. I mean, I don't know. How many disk drives do you have at home that are just sort of unprotected, sometimes backed up, sometimes not? Whether it's a kid's laptop or maybe you have a NAS device. I mean, data management is a nightmare. So the why is because they're going to do a better job managing it. Now your question about privacy is a good one and it's a fair one. You know, but we had Tim O'Reilly on theCUBE. He basically said, you know what? There is no more privacy in the internet. Number one, number two is if you're going to get something in return, you might be willing to give up your privacy. We do that all the time. You think there's privacy in the internet? You have a mobile phone, there's no privacy. I mean, Yelp's following you. Google's following you. Apple's following you. Everybody's following you. Well, listen, data privacy is a big issue. People care about it, but they don't really know they care about it until something happens to them. Look, if you look at what Facebook's doing, Facebook has clearly shown that people don't mind sharing information.  No one really has developed a methodology yet, in my opinion, that gives consumer confidence that their data is protected. Encryption has been failed. BlackBerry has a great encryption algorithm that they've been trying to move with their mobile. And quite frankly, they are not allowed to use it because the governments will not let encryption happen. There's privacy issues all over the place. I was talking to someone about box.net and how they're doing well on the consumer side, but on the enterprise side, they're struggling because no one wants to put that stuff in the cloud. I mean, it's really difficult. You remember that movie, Enemy of the State, right?  Don't connect to the web. I mean, I think the promise of things like Hadoop where you have scale out kind of commodity storage with MapReduce, you can really build some nice security from a do-over standpoint, as we've been saying, to develop that low-cost capability to actually store data, little data, big data, fast data, whatever you want to call it, in that way, allows for new security schemes to be put in place. So I think you're going to see a whole new security paradigm around that. Yeah, online search prize might be better today, Dave, but I just still think we haven't seen the security model of future. I would agree. I mean, I don't mean to minimize the whole security and privacy thing, but my point is simply that if you're on Facebook, if you're using an iPhone or any kind of mobile device, there's no privacy. You don't have privacy. That's illusory if you think somehow with your Facebook settings, you're going to maintain privacy. Your data's not private. 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Hey, welcome back everybody. Jeff Frick here with theCUBE. We're at the Autotech Council Innovation and Motion Mapping and Navigation Event in Milpitas, California at the Western Digital Offices here. Really interesting conversations going on in the breakout rooms and the keynotes next door. Now there's so many layers to this navigation thing, which is just one component in kind of the autonomous car story. That is just, you just keep peeling back the onion and there's more and more and more, which is really fascinating. We're really excited to have Christian Cotcher join us. He's the CEO of MetroTech, first of all Christian, welcome. Thank you. So for those that aren't familiar, what does MetroTech do? So MetroTech is a Smarter City data exchange. So we use maps, we write on top of maps, but what we basically do is go to existing cities and counties and metro areas and take their existing sensors and the new ones they deploy. We bring that into our cloud-based system where we convert it into real-time traffic data. So if you've ever had Google Maps or Waze or some of these others, you've used real-time traffic data. What we do is we enhance that by giving them real-time data. So using the actual video, turning it into actual speeds, actual counts, actual density, and then you can do more than just real-time, you can start to do predictive because we take so many different elements like the lane level, the density. So it's really big data for traffic and then what we do in the exchange is we publish it out then. So we don't think it's just the cities, but it's the people driving on their streets. So we've got to find a way to get it out for multiple use cases. And I'll talk a little bit more about the wrong-way driver and safety alerts, but how do we get it out to somebody using Waze as well as somebody using InRex, somebody using TomTom, somebody using Telenev, somebody using their Ford in-car vehicle. So we're basically setting up that necessary data exchange that allows smarter cities to speak with autonomous vehicles and connected cars. So that's what we've been building out in some key major cities and now we're working on some major alliances to make this a de facto standard. So our goal is to become the verisign of the smarter city, if you will. So somebody's got to organize this and somebody's got to publish it out and it needs to be in neutral trust at third party and that's what Medrotech's building. Fascinating, because there's so many elements both on the input and the output side, right? So as you said, if they have existing sensors, so we've all seen the cameras on busy intersections, so you use that data, you use, probably I'm sure they have new and better and faster types of sensors and stuff under the concrete, so you're using that. Are you putting in your own sensors as well? We're agnostic and we don't want to be in the hardware business, so software is a service only and it's a data exchange. So you've seen exchanges in the past, right? In the advertising world, online traffic world, so we're now building an exchange for the smarter city and the autonomous world. And in the meantime, there's this connected world where we've got a bunch of us silly humans driving along with these smart cars and that's gonna be, sure we might have autonomous the next couple of years, I believe we will, but that's gonna be for a very small part of the population. We've got to deal with erratic, ridiculous, fallible human input for driving for the next decade, the very least, if not even further. So during that time, rather than have a probe sample set of what speed is going on and what drivers are doing, there's very key elements like right out here in front of you guys, it's a busy tech corridor. Why wouldn't you want to have perfect information on that? We can provide that very low cost, very easily, and then we will send that and basically publish it to all consumers. So Verizon and an AT&T and a Sprint and a T-Mobile and all the other carriers could consume that data and put it into their connected cars and into their mapping apps. So is there a standard definition, so you take from all of the variety of sensors, you're converting basically raw video data and some other raw data into some machine readable, what's actually happening, and then publishing that out, as you said, to two variety of potential sources as an exchange, could be to Google in Waze, could be to Ford in Toyota, could be to the fire department and the UPS FedEx. Think how many millions of dollars a day they waste when they wait traffic the wrong way. So is there now, or are you creating kind of that standard definition of what is happening that can then feed all these other things through the APIs? Yeah, the standards have not been written for this yet. We're literally writing the standards as we launched these first pilots. So we just rewarded yesterday a USDOT granted project down in Florida where we're taking LiDAR data and publishing it to DSRC. And then the next, so I'm sorry, DSRC is Direct Short Range Communications. So, and this actually, thank you for asking. So 15 years ago, the USDOT and the FCC created the space of a bandwidth that's kept aside for cars to talk to each other. That was 99 that Congress wanted. They set it aside in 99. They set it aside, but we haven't used it. Now they're about to take half of it back. Who is the ingenious person that set that aside in 1999? I know them, I'll let them be with you too. There's some good folks, and they're still waiting. Think it ahead. The vision was there, but the execution was not. So I, at IBM, I started an intelligent transportation practice. I had three friends, my family. So you keep saying smart cities, you got the IBM? Well, we called it, so it first was called Community Wide Broadband, and I own that globally at IBM. Worst name, I didn't pick it. Within my rate of digital cities. It was a lot more about fire and police response and those types of things. So as it, as I was leaving, they sort of the smarter planet thing, and it became smarter cities after I left. But smarter cities the last 10 years, eight years at least, have been kind of dictated by solar, LED lighting, smart grids, and electric cars. It hasn't been what I traditionally thought, when we founded Smarter City and Digital Cities, was it's how do I get people routed home, routed to work, routed to the fire? How do I get the goods delivered in the most efficient manner? How do I measure it? And my old boss, when I was at, boss's boss way back, went to GE up the chain, but Jack Wells used to say you can't manage what you can't measure. You can't measure it, right? That's what we do is we give you a more accurate measurement. Right now you're kind of got to guess.  So this is the whole idea of measuring in great detail and publishing it out so people can actually make decisions for themselves. Right. So one of the key themes we see over and over again, not just in this space, but all over the space, right? Is you want to use a combination of your proprietary data, existing open data, and then apply your proprietary algorithms to that data to get a competitive advantage. And that's really what you're talking about here. So, but on the standards parts, the other big thing obviously is open source, right? And there's a conversation about open contributions to these mapping projects in the other room. Is this kind of an open source kind of initiative, or is it more kind of a standards initiative to get that definition of the thing that you're going to be trading on your exchange? Eric from Mapbox just opened up with a, and he always does a great job, but he talked about open is not free. And what you see is- Free like a puppy, we like to say. Well, yeah, that's a good way to look at it. If you look at open data initiatives in New York City and San Francisco and a lot of these places got out early, what they were doing was just putting a bunch of spreadsheets online, right? So that's open, but it's not useful. So why not have a monetized organization, a way, a mechanism to be able to make that usable? So if they've got servers in their basements of City Hall full of data that you and I could use, but they have no way how to get it out, that's what we help them do is we help them get it out. They might have censored data in their cabinets that we're going to help get out, and we're going to release. So that's why it's an AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, and kind of a network thing, is that there's data we've got to get out of the cabinets back into City Hall, back into the traffic management centers, but then we've got to publish it out. And those standards have not been written yet. Well, I was thinking more on the standard side. So yeah, it's open, it's available. But then in terms of kind of a methodology for creating standards, we've seen this rise of open source software become really more of the mechanism that defines the standards versus, say, a regulatory body. But we still have that, right? 5G, they're still arguing about what the 5G is going to look like. So in your case, is it going to be more, you think, the community coming together and defining this open standard API that we can all share to our benefit? Or do you see it as more of a regulatory kind of a, or a trade association or kind of a thing? At best, what trade association's helping us out, but I think it'll be the industry coming together and doing it. So for instance, we've got in one of our major metros, we've got a wrong-way driver system where we're using the existing cameras and we're just watching for wrong-way drivers with machine vision 24-7. Then when we get out of the wrong-way driver hit, we take it to machine learning and we start using AI to try to get rid of the false positives. Because sometimes the truck's shadow going down a road on the other side of the road could look to machine vision like another truck. So it's how do we break that out? So we have those algorithms. Then it goes to a human where they say yes or no. This is a wrong-way driver. If it's a no, that goes back into the AI to make it better for next time. But if it's a yes, we don't think just trying to put on flashing lights for the drunk or the suicidal person driving down the road is what we want to do. We want to get a hold of the UPS truck, the Uber drivers. You're ford with connected car through AT&T, right? We want to get it out to the people coming down the road and warn the innocents. So that's standard. We're literally writing now and publishing. And then the more people we get to consume that, you know, we'll try to get a blessing or a USDOT thing on it later on. But right now, we can't wait for them to make a ruling. We're just publishing that out. And we've already integrated to Ericsson and AT&T. That alert is going out right now. Does it go out via like the Amber Alert system? Yeah, it's a great way to put it. It's the exact same type of a system. But the nice thing is, instead of It's that car coming at you. Right, but we can localize it. Because if it's in my connected car, my connected car knows where it is. So I can send it out with a fence around it, with a road. So it's not waking you up when you're sleeping in a hotel next to the road, right? It's not going to wake you up at three in the morning because there's a wrong-way driver. It's going to know that your phone's sitting in your bedside table is not moving. But when you're moving down the road, and I can now say it's on that street, and there is a danger. And a wrong-way driver is just the first.  And one of the interesting things we've been working on our research is they got this idea that the cars will do it themselves, right? This car will do a fast break. Right, they'll all talk to each other. Well, so we had this great example of this. It was a busy, busy four lane intersection, and there was a truck up ahead that I just happened to spot hit its brakes, and that would have triggered an alert had this system been deployed. And the particular carry I was working with on this project to say, well, if you had sent this back over the hill, you would have caused me to hit my brakes for absolutely no reason. So this whole idea that hard braking always indicates that you should slow down or there's an accident is false. Yes, it's a leading indicator. It can help us say, OK, let's look maybe a little bit tighter and see. But what happened was I saw the smoke come up. I saw him brake, and then I saw the lucky Prius driver. He slammed on the brakes, he blocked up. And then this silly Prius driver comes out on the other side, who was the luckiest Prius driver in Nashville that day because he cut in front of him and fought for that guy. But in that speed with that density of traffic, if you send back that alert, you're just going to cause that wave going back. So what you'd rather do is say, it's getting a little bit tight. What if you as a paid you drive insurance user say, I want a lower rate if I drive safer? And what if we could publish through your, let's say, all state or progressive or state farm?  Sure, and your phone and the thing just does it automatically, right? When it drives itself, it'll probably do that automatically. And we're looking forward to that too. This is really some really interesting examples on the tying these things together for a real specific benefit. I'm just curious to get your perspective on kind of how much of the infrastructure is in place at the cities in terms of the sensors and cameras, and I'm sure the red light cameras were probably a big motivator to get some of those things in. And I don't know, are we 20% of what they would like in place for you to do what you want to do? Are they 50%? Are they 80%? Kind of where is that? And who are the leaders, city-wise, with the infrastructure where you can deploy to the best benefit of your vision? I'll say every city has a significant amount of infrastructure already out there, especially in the way of cameras. There's literally millions of cameras deployed. And what are those feed mainly now? So right now the police will use them for stakeouts, for looking in. Traffic will use them to respond to accidents, but what people don't understand as common drivers is that it's not that they're looking at the cameras to try to see where there's traffic, they're getting 911 calls and they're using the camera to replace the helicopter. They're using the camera to see what do I need to dispatch? Do I need to dispatch an ambulance? To get eyes on. To get eyes on. But they're not, and there's some analytics out there for certain, and we take those analytics in as well. There's already a video analytic on it. We'll take that video analytic into our engine and that works just fine. We've got examples of that in a couple of Smarter Cities. So there's Smarter Cities in Atlanta and San Francisco and Chicago. Columbus, Ohio, obviously is great. Austin, Dallas, Miami, Jacksonville. I mean, there's a lot of interesting cities that are doing some great things that are not as much in the spotlight that are wanting to really jump ahead and leap ahead. So we're working with some key alliances, some majors, right? Our platform runs on Microsoft Azure. We select it very specifically because it works so well in the IoT world. We actually have their IoT platform that we've built this on. So our platform will basically, if you call me tomorrow and said, here's a video feed in Minneapolis, we'll have data pumping through our Smarter City exchange. It's called the Digital Streets platform. We'll have it pumping out tomorrow. And so then if you've got a Ford car that's on the other side of that, it'll have data, whatever city it's in. So that's why we say it's an exchange. And should it be open, absolutely. But there's got to be ways to monetize it. So it might be ad sponsored. It might be subscription based. It might be subsidized by your car or carrier or your insurance provider because they want you to have a safer ride or better ride. Crazy times because the whole thing's flipping up. I mean, new models, new forms of transportation, new forms of propulsion. That's why the autonomous vehicle and just the mobility space in general. So exciting right now. Well, Christian, thanks for taking a few minutes out of your day. I'll let you get back to the conference. There's some great presentations going on. Looking forward to it. All right, he's Christian Katra. I'm Jeff Frick. You're watching theCUBE. We are at the mapping and navigation portion of the AutoTech Council Innovation in Motion. Thanks for watching.


Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome. This is Melissa Armo with a stock swash, and I'm here reviewing the TVA. What an incredible gap. So this morning, I said this really was the best gap today, and boy was I right. I ended up doing two trades in this today, and the second move was the biggest, actually. And there were two watches today that I had, DDD and TVA. They both worked, and they were both huge, and it was just a phenomenal, phenomenal day. So to be able to capture this move here this morning and then the move in the afternoon, what a huge, huge, huge profitable day in this stock. So let's just go over the whole thing. And actually, I'm really running late today now because I have a webinar in two hours, and looks like we're going to be talking about this. Anyways, shorted TVA right in here today. Beautiful, beautiful move, and I held it down a decent amount. I held it, held it, held it for one more little push in here, and I did have a good exit on this. The morning exit, you're looking at targets. First target really was 2550. I held it a smidgen more through that. I figured for sure it would get to 25. But you know, again, when exactly, as far as the timing, was up my goal for the morning, good profit. So I got out, got out in the morning, and then went on to do some things here at my desk and saw the stock setting up again. And it is really because it rained so well. That's what they're just rain. Let's go back and look here. I forget what did rain. 23 points, yep. Yep. So anyways, it rated 23 points per the 26-point golden gap system. So I knew this was a good one today. And since I was here and I was doing stuff, decided to do a second trade in it. And again, I had the morning profit, valid setup, good entry, had the stop, and had target in it. So, you know, I teach us in the class as well, ended up shorting it here and got the drop. And I really was trying to hold it as long as I could. I held it down to 24 bucks. But the amazing thing is that this almost went $1 through where I exited it. I mean, so I got out at like 24.02 or something and changed, and this went literally, this went to 23.33. You know, it doesn't even matter. I had such a huge, huge, huge day. But it just goes to prove, again, when you're up a crazy amount of money, you need to get out. You have the targets, you watch it. You know, you're doing everything right. You're never gonna get out of the loan a short. You're never gonna get out of the high of the day in a long, and so you do the best that you can. So first trade today, I had a good, good profit. You know, again, if your goal is 1,000 bucks a day and you're up the money and you're into the first target, the right thing to do, the prudent thing to do is to get out. So I could have made a little bit more this morning, but I made 1,120 and then this afternoon, I ended up taking more size in this. Same risk, but more size in it and better stop and bigger moves. So almost got about 50 out of this this afternoon and 5,000 shares of it. So just a huge, huge, huge afternoon. So made over seven grand in the trade this afternoon. So total profit on the day is over $8,000, close to $8,500, you know, and it's just, I mean, really, I don't have to do anything tomorrow. I don't have to do anything else this week. So very, very, very, very happy. I will talk about this tonight. I'm really running behind today. Actually, look at the volume in this now. Woo! Look at the volume from yesterday and the volume today. So very happy, you know, the room did great today. The room's been doing great all year. You know, people are making money with me, particularly doing the class and being in the room.  You do have to do my class before you can join my trading room. But, you know, if you follow the trades that I take and call in the trading room, you should be able to be profitable right after the class and do well. A lot of people trade and they just don't know what to do. I am very, very focused in the morning. I'm very, very analytical when I'm looking at stuff. I prep a lot before the pre-market. I am right on top of something if I like it. I'm very sure of myself, very confident. I've been trading now for almost nine years. And I think it really helps having someone direct you, you know, saying this is a good pick and reviewing the rating and being in the room. So congratulations. Everyone had a good day today. I'll find out tomorrow who did the later trade in this. And I did say today this was the best gap. And then after all this ended up having the biggest, biggest move. So congratulations. I'll see everybody at the webinar tonight at 4.30. I've got to get ready here behind for the day, but we will review Tiva again and see what we get tomorrow. Just, you know, trading, doing day trading. Okay, you know, you go in every day and you chunk it out, but every once in a while you will get something like a swoosh. Okay, which this did not swoosh today, but you will get something like a swoosh or you will get a swoosh or you will get a really, really great gap. Okay, like this was today. And you can just really capitalize on those moves.  We definitely get them. We definitely get them a couple of times a month. So you stay consistent. You keep your losses low. You make money consistently. Your goal is not to get out at the low of the day in a short or the high of the day in a long. You do your same thing every day, which is what I do. And then every once in a while you just get something that just goes right into your lap, which is an amazing gap like Tiva was today or like you get a swoosh, which we've seen already this month too. So have a great night, everyone. See you all at the webinar at 4.30. If you would like to sign up for the Golden Gap course and learn my method, the class is August 12th and 13th. You would learn how to trade. You'd be able to get set up and get going and be ready to trade all the rest of the calendar year with me into the end of 2017 for the fall. Things have just been going amazing and thank you everyone in the trading room. Everyone's just been so happy and positive and really just things are going so great. So have a great day, everyone. Email me at molestathestockswush.com if you would like more information.