live. That was weird. My computer froze for a second. So good timing. Yeah, thanks a lot computer. Always so helpful. So, hey, everyone, we're here, me, Aywan, the elf, and David Randall. We're here to talk about the 15 Nations Global Tour. We are wrapping up our second stop on the tour, which has been Argentina. And I've gotten some updates over the last few weeks. And I know there's been some good stuff happening. So, David, talk to us. All right. Well, what I wanted to do first before we get into Argentina is go back to India. Because we do have some people that have remained behind or have taken little John's back to India and done some work. Yeah, a little update there and then also use that to kind of compare where we ended up with Argentina. So, when we ended, let me pull, should have had my notes pulled up here. Give me just one second here. Okay. Just one moment. I'm sorry. So, we ended Argentina. I'm sorry. We ended India with 200. And I believe it was 28. That's the number I'm not planning here, but 228 profiles added. Didn't connect any of our 15 India people. But we did add 200 and I think it was 28 new profiles. That's gone up to closer to 250 now. So, we've even, even since we left India, there's still some people that are making connections. That's fantastic. That up. For those that are new, if you're tuning in and you're not real familiar with what we do, I should go back and just give a little explanation. We, every three weeks, we pick a new country. And from that country, we pick 15 notables who are not connected currently to the tree.  For the most part, I create the original profile. Every once in a while, I find a profile that's already online. But most of those either have nobody connected to them, or if they do have maybe just their parents with no information. So, they're basically still a kind of a blank slate. And our goal is to number one, get them connected to as many additional people, family members as possible, and ideally get them connected to the big tree. Also, within that, we want to work on their profiles and make them look nice, get some good biographies up, find pictures, do some appropriate sourcing. When I put up the original profile for the notables, usually the profile will contain only one or two lines that I got off of Wikipedia to say why they're famous. I don't do any pre-research or add any biographical information other than I do put the birth and death dates in there. So, from there, it's up to the membership to do what they can to grow these trees. And as I said, with our 15 Indian notables, we were able to add 250 additional profiles to those 15. Now, there was something that was a little surprising with the Indian profiles is most of the people that we chose, the 15 original notables, had some quite famous notables in their family tree. So, something I've added, if you haven't been back to the India pre-space page recently, I've added a second table down below the original 15 with 50 additional Indian notables who are one way or another connected to the original 15. So, we've got basically 65 Indian notables on there, all of which need connecting, and all of which need some work on their biographies on that. So, if you're at all interested in India and Indian history, there's a lot of work that needs to be done. Now, we didn't do, as I said, we didn't get a lot of connecting to the big tree. The problem there is we didn't have a lot of Indian profiles already on the tree to connect to. Indian culture is unlike European culture, in the 1800s, the Europeans were traveling all over the world, migrating, interacting with other countries where the Indian population tended to or sedentary staying in one place. So, you didn't get a big Indian immigration to the United States or Argentina. So, connecting was kind of a lofty goal to begin with. So, I think considering that, I think we did really well with the 250. I think it was amazing. Yeah, I was really surprised that that was our first country and we were, this is an experiment. We weren't sure if we get any connections. So, it was really impressive. So, then we moved on to Argentina. We wrapped up our end of our third week today. People are still working there. I did some rants and totals last night and they've gone up significantly. I just did that half an hour ago and just since last night we continued. So, of our 15 notables for Argentina, we were able to connect six to the big tree. Nice. Which is very impressive. We also had an amazing amount of new profiles created. When I'm doing just as a little bit of a reference, I'm going to say we have a bout and I'll give you the number that I use the word about because or I should say at least because once we connect the individual to the global tree, I can no longer keep track. So, now since they're now related to everybody, any profile I had to do to the global tree is going to be a connection. So, I can only connect up to the point that they or I can only count up to the point that they're connected. So, I keep those numbers in the total but if you connect somebody and then you add a spouse to their children, I'm not able to keep track of that. So, these are again the total I'm about to give you is going to be an at least number rather than the exact total and the at least total for when I want to pull up the exact number here because I just wrote it down. I had all my notes ready and now I can't find the grand total number. Hang on, I'll give you a drumroll. Yeah, I'll give you a little longer but here it's okay. Okay. And so, for India, we had 249 was our total number of connections, our total number of new profiles. For India? As of a half hour ago, for Argentina, we have 408. Wow. Now, I will also state that when we started this, there were 500 profiles for Argentina on WikiTree. So, we almost doubled. Yeah, so, we've almost doubled the number that we're actually on there to begin with. That's fantastic. And connected sticks. And we have a seventh one that as of today, Antonio Bernese, an artist, when I run the photos, it says how many people are in their family tree? It says 100 plus. I guess the system starts counting at 100. So, I don't know how many he has all together but he has over 100 family relations and he is not yet connected to the plot. Wow. Formula 1 race car driver, Juan Manuel Fangio, I think it's pronounced. He has 90 connections. So, he's almost up to that hundred point. Yeah. So, yeah, that's an amazing number. For any project, 400 profiles is a whole long process. That's outstanding. And I will credit we have a number of people. I don't know how many, but we have a number of people from Argentina who participated and they were a big help because they were able to direct us to sources that we might not have otherwise had. Argentina does have apparently a significant interest in genealogy. Yeah. So, that certainly helps. Now, on the flip side of that, I will tell you that two of our individuals, the first was a football player who was killed in a plane crash when he was, I believe, 29. I was just a few years ago. We've only been able to connect him to his parents. He only has two connections. The reason for that, I believe, is because he was so young, his parents were also fairly young, which means his mother's profile, she's still living. Yep. Mother's profile is private. His father just passed away within the last couple years. So, his is open, and we're not going to be able to make any connections from him. And he has a brother and sister, but they're also young and still private. Yeah. So, there aren't a lot of routes for us to go. So, really, unless we can figure out who his grandparents are, we're kind of stuck on that. Kind of stuck on that one for a bit. Yeah. The other one is, went by the name of Keno, and he is a cartoonist and animator. He was quite famous in Argentina and actually around the world. This is a cartoon that's been published in, I believe, some 30 plus countries. He only has three relationships. So, his, I don't quite have the explanation why we're not able to break through with him, but those two are kind of straggling behind. The rest of them have all in the teens to twenties. After the couple I mentioned that have 90 to 100 relationships. So, they're all doing really well. The thing that we need to do now, if anybody wants to stick around with Argentina, we still need the biographies written, kind of organized a little bit. Some of them are really good. Some of them, we see people put some effort into it. Others, and kind of some mismatch facts that people have put up. It'd be nice to get them into a narrative form and get them cleaned up a little bit. And we can still work on them. Surprisingly, with both India and Argentina, we've had a bit of a difficult time connecting their current leaders. Argentina has the president and the vice president. The vice president used to be president and he's connected to another president. So, you'd think with those three presidents, we'd get a connection, but politicians keep their personal life a little more private than we do here in America and maybe some of the other Western Europeans. But trying to find birth dates for parents and children is not all that easy. I think with a little, little more effort, we could probably get them connected eventually. And as I mentioned previously, once we close India, or once we leave India today, I'm talking about India, Argentina, the website will still stay open, the connections will still be there. So, anybody that wants to go back and continue working with Argentina or go all the way back to India and work on that, it's still doable. These are up there permanently. They don't close just because we moved on. Yeah. If you find an area you love, just keep going. Yeah. Yeah. And you may find a country just isn't connecting with you. You're not, you're not figuring out where, what to do, then you head on back to one of the other ones for a while and then come on back. So, are we ready to move on to country number three? Yes, excited. Okay, so this one has me a little bit nervous. Yeah. And the other ones did, the other ones did too. So, the team has surprised me both times, so hopefully they'll surprise me this time. We're going to Europe. You would think that Europe wouldn't be so intimidating, but I picked a country that I think is probably more intimidating than others might be. This is a very big country and in the news quite a bit lately. We are going to Ukraine. Ukraine. Ukraine is, if you haven't heard in a lot of turmoil right now, and this happens to be the first anniversary of the Russian invasion there, so I thought it was kind of timely. Yeah. I don't know, as with the other countries, I don't know what records are available. I'm hoping that despite the conflict that's going on, the ground that online records are still available and that we'll be able to do the research that we need to do. There are currently 8,992 Ukrainian profiles on the Ukraine. We have that many. Which is a lot. Well, a lot of people come from Ukraine. It's a big country. Yeah. And I'm hoping that'll help us that if we, depending on what the status of the records over there are, we may be able to make more connections because we have more people to connect to. The biggest problem that I had in using the Ukraine, the 15 Ukrainian individuals, is defining what's Ukrainian. Ukraine has only been a country since 1991. It's been an entity of sorts going way back to the probably a thousand years or so. Kiev or was the hub of a number of political entities that have gone on through the years. But within the recent generations, which we work with, which I'd say from 1800 forward, much of that time they were occupied by the Soviet Union or Russia before that. So if somebody was born in 1930 and lived to 1970, they were Soviet. They weren't necessarily Ukrainian. Some of the Soviet leaders, Linoid Brezhnev, for example, was Ukrainian, but we don't really associate him with Ukraine. He was a Soviet leader. So it was kind of a challenge to find people within our timeframe who qualified completely as Ukrainian. So basically what I did was like anybody that was born in, what is now the Ukraine? Oh, one other thing to see is that also the borders changed. Poland used to be part of Ukraine, parts of Poland did, other countries. So you could be born in Poland and then Ukraine came in and took over that territory and now you're Ukrainian but you still identify as Polish. So when you look on the list, you're going to see a little bit of variety. Everybody on the list, to the best of my recollection, was born in what is now Ukraine, even if it wasn't Ukraine at the time that they were born. They did not all die in Ukraine. Some moved away. Most of them, however, lived their lives in what is now Ukraine. There are a couple people that might be more considered a Soviet, but I kept them anyway because that's another fascinating story. They were born in Ukraine. They maybe supported the Soviet cause, if you will. But anyway, so that's just something that you're looking at on the list. You're wondering why they put this person, not that person. That was the latest ones I bought. So let me pull up my list of 15 notes here. Let me just a second again. Steven was asking if parts of Galicia were ever part of the Ukraine and I'm pretty sure. I believe so, yes. Don't ask which parts, but I'm pretty sure there were parts. Okay. I'm trying to use two different computers here and I keep forgetting which mouse goes to which. Easy to get that confused. I'm sorry, should I have this ready, but it closed on me. That's all right. Okay, so two more clicks here. Okay, so for Ukraine, okay, so we have, first on our list, and I'm not going to be able to pronounce these names. So excuse me. Mikhailov, and I haven't ever tried this. Mikhailov Hershevsky, I believe it is, so it's spelled H-R-U-S-A-V-S-K-Y. Yep. So he was a, he's our earliest one. He was born in 1866, in 1934. He was a boy at a playground and an activist. He, I generally try to keep him a little bit more recent than him, but he was a very, a very important figure. When I looked up, maybe as Ukrainian, he was at the top of almost every list. Of every list? Yes. So he was, he was, okay. And another early one is Lisa Yükrinka. Interesting, her name is Ukraine, the KRA at the end, Yükrinka. Yeah. But she was a poet, a playwright, and an activist also, 1871 to 1913. So she's another early one, but she also appeared on many lists. Alexander Vartinsky, he was a cabaret artist. He's one that you might think are more Soviet, but in reading his biography and stuff, it just really kind of fascinated me. So I decided to keep him on. He was born in Ukraine. So he's definitely Ukrainian, but he did perform primarily for the Soviet Union. So he probably would have considered himself a Soviet. Sounds fun. Similarly, the second or the next one is Vila Ludenko. She was a chess player. She moved from 1904 to 1986. But a professional champion chess player. And again, this was during Soviet era, but I just found that we haven't had a chess player so far. So Pablo, okay, there's another one I'm not going to say very well, Zareb Linyy, Z-H-R-E-V-E-L-N-Y-I. And he was a noted novelist. I did not get to read a lot about his career, but he was also on a lot of the key lists. Alexander, Holuxander was an B-Lash or Bailash. He was a composer. Vladimir Dunk, D-A-K-H-N-L. I don't know how to do the K-H sound, but he was an animator. He drew cartoon films. This one's really fascinating, Tamara Press. She was an Olympic athlete. And I remember this scandal that went on in the 70s and 80s up until the collapse of the Soviet Union. There was a lot of issue over whether the Soviet Union was basically genetically modifying women in order to enhance their performance in the Olympics. Yeah, I kind of remember that. And she was one who was accused of either being a man in disguise or having been pumped up with so much steroids when she was performing well above women and what a woman should be performing. Her sister was also an Olympic athlete who was also accused of the same thing. Now, their birth certificates have been cracked down, and they were both listed as female at birth. So that myth that they were actually women in disguise has been devout. My hunch is that there was a lot of steroid and other drug use going on. Could be. Because of genetic modification going on before they had all the testing in that that they do today. That's what led to that testing. Right.  Being that she was actually a female, if she was competing in good faith, to have that kind of accusation and stuff. But I left her on, even though she completed for the Soviet Union, she was Ukrainian. And again, the story just kind of really fascinated me. Larry Lobanovsky, again, appears on almost every list. He has a poster stamp. He was a football player between a soccer here, but a football player and a manager later on. But he is apparently an actual hero from the sports industry. Bodin Stukna, he's an actor, lived from 1941 to 2012. Lydia Belozirova, sorry, the Ukrainians that I'm angling your language, but she's an actress. Nazari Yermchuk, he was a singer, a very popular singer. He lived from 1951 to 95. So rather young. And then, and I've been able to do this so far with each of my lists is Leonid Kadenyuk, he was an astronaut. I've been an astronaut so far from India, Argentina. Nice. Argentina. Thank you for India. And he was with NASA. He was Ukrainian, but he flew for the United States on the space shuttle. Nice. And he died also rather young, in 1951 to 2018. And then we have our two living leaders. So all of our noteables are always deceased except for the current world leaders. I didn't realize that Ukraine has a president who most of us are familiar with and of a prime minister who I've never heard of. Dennis Kamelya, Kamelya Shamaihal. Dennis Shamaihal, prime minister of Ukraine. And interestingly, from a little bit I read, all it says is he's in charge of the COVID issue, which seems interesting not to be, I don't know that he's doing anything right now, but it's the president of Ukraine, who's usually in most countries to pick your head. Yeah. But in this country, he seems to be in charge. And that's Volodymyr Zelensky, who we've all seen on television and become quite familiar with here. Definitely. So that's our list of 15. There's some interesting characters. That's a nice diverse list. I try to keep that a mix of occupations and other things. And again, I have no idea. I do no research on these people beforehand. I know nothing of that money and resources. We'll get a resource page up within the next day or two and start collecting that. If anybody has something to add, we'll put it up there. If you want to get to this page right now, we're not posting it in tomorrow, but if you go to either the India or the Argentina page and up in your address bar, just replace India or Argentina or Ukraine, it'll take you to this page and all the lists are active and you can get started today. People that didn't tune in today after Rachel tomorrow, but I will post the link. You can have it active by tomorrow afternoon sometime. Very exciting. New country. I haven't been following the chats. I don't know if anybody's had any questions. They're quiet. Pardon? They're a little quiet today. Yeah, that's okay. A couple of things that I wanted to add. I have one thing I would like to do, and I'm going to post this online, but people can either go to the main webpage and go to the manifest and by your name put in either the country or the state that you're from. It would be really interesting to know where people are coming from. We had a lot of people join us from Argentina this time, but I had the question previously, did we have anybody from India participating? And I honestly don't know because I don't know where people are from. I know we've had people from Australia, South Africa and England participating, so it would be really interesting to just know you can either go there and add that to the manifest or I'm going to post the question on G2G and you can just put down, well, I'm from Spain and I'm from France wherever, and we'll put that up there. You don't have to be rusted with it, but just either your nationality or your state is enough. Yeah, just generally I'd be great to know. Because I do get a lot of questions about that and I have no idea where our members are coming from. And the other thing is if we get to a point, if we find out that there aren't a lot of records, genealogical records, there are other sources that are available. There's newspapers, there's, you know, Wikipedia often is sourced and you go down to the bottom of their page, it'll often provide you with sources. You can go to Google Books or any other online book, if you look for the biographies, it's pretty interesting how how much you can gather without actually having firsthand documents. And because these people are all born after 1700, you know, our sourcing standards are really, as long as you tell us where you got it, if you get it from WikiTree, it's not the, you know, the greatest reference to use in genealogical work. But if that's all we have, and we say that that's where we got it, it can certainly provide clues to other people. You know, if you can tell me the names of the parents that you got off of WikiTree, I can maybe take that and find that, you know, into the original records. Off Wikipedia? Off Wikipedia or any place or any, you know, you know, sources that might not be as important as your final source on your family history could still provide us with clues, is what I'm saying. So as long as you're saying I found this on Wikipedia, that's fine. Azure says, happy trust in the Internet Archive. I know Internet Archive is a big one. When we had WikiTree Day last year, Thomas McCante did a whole presentation on the Internet Archive. But you can find, you know, you can find obituaries at newspapers.com or other newspaper sites. They often give you a lot of information. Actually, if they're famous enough and they have an American obituary, New York Times and all that, sometimes other countries don't put the same information we found out with India that they didn't generally mention family at all in the obituary of the United States. I was just going to say sometimes, like you said, just to Google it can bring up information, surprising information in places you wouldn't have thought to look. Yeah. And I've Googled, you know, Joe Smith's Family Tree. Joe Smith's probably not a good example because some of these names are unique enough that if you just type in genealogy, family tree, parents, siblings, and you'll find an article where somebody says, oh, you have five siblings and here are their names. And again, that may not be definitive proof in our genealogical standards. It's a good clue that you can now take those names and, you know, just, and if you put it on their profile page, others can also take that clue and try to find it. Exactly. So I'm going to put, just be clear with your source. I found this Wikipedia and people can judge themselves how, you know, how much credibility they want to give that. But yeah, citing your sources is key. Absolutely. But I'm, I'm optimistic. I didn't think we'd get anywhere with India. I know. And it was great. Picking a country, we're trying to pick countries that are underrepresented in, you know, around the world. I do want to include Europe in there somewhere, but so many of the European countries are very well represented. You know, it's hard to find some that aren't. Ukraine is more represented than many countries. But for Europe, it's actually fairly low. Yeah. Well, it's something, it's something positive that we can focus on. Given that given the anniversary this time, and it's something that we can, you know, just kind of focus on the positive aspects of their history and a little, little symbolic way of showing some support programs. Yep. Definitely. For sure. Well, anything else you want to add about Ukraine? I wish to see if I missed anything, but I think yeah, the only thing I thought I would throw in there, some people do real good at this and others less so is is communicating with the discord or for those people that don't know, we do have a discord page. It's been pretty accurate. So I know a lot of people are aware, but if you're not, there is a discord page. And also on G2G, I see a lot of improvements being made on the profiles. And I'm not sure who's, you know, I have to go back and do some research to figure out who's doing it and that. So it's nice if you come back and let us know what you've done, even if it's something small, if you say, Hey, I added the parents of this person and a spouse. That might be enough for me to head back to that profile and say, oh, I can take it from there. As I said, you know, Kino has only his parents, I believe, on there. If somebody were to say, Hey, I found his grandparents, I might inspire me to go back and kind of add a loss as to where to go with the parents. I haven't found anything. But if I know that he's been added to, maybe that'll I can get in there and do something. But if I don't know, you know, I go back and review the individual profiles a couple of times a week, but not everybody's going to do that. Yeah, it may pings someone else's interest. Yeah. And also it's just nice to be able to share your successes with you. Yeah, we like to celebrate. So be sure to do that. And one other thing somebody left me a question the other day. So just in case anybody doesn't know, there is a passcode sticker on our main page that you can cut your own profile page if you like. And it is, you can modify it to add in whatever countries you have participated with. You can also leave that like you participated. That's fine. But if you like stickers and you want to keep track, that's just our main page. And one more thing that we didn't mention is A-O-1, do you want to explain a lot about our Argentina page? I do. So in case you haven't seen it yet, you can find it in G2G or any of our social media. We put a little teaser trailer today for our 2023 wiki games. Think Olympics, we're just trying to not use the word Olympics because they're very protective of that word. So we're calling it wiki games. But it's going to be a three day event in August, five different events, and we're going to see which team can bring home the gold. But Azure made this really cool wiki tree torch. And it's following along in the countries that we're doing for the nation's global tour. And they will cross paths again in the actual week of the wiki games. So when you see the torch on the nation's tour page, that's what it's for. It's the wiki games torch. And there'll be more details on that coming out a little bit later. The torch will, I don't know if it's ready yet, but eventually the torch will be looked at on the information page, where you can get all the details on the summer event. And also, we have a surprise country in store for that, for where the games are going to be held. And you'll find that out eventually if you stay tuned where we're going to end up on that summer week. There'll be some surprises also, but surprises.  And I'm happy that that they chose us our group to tie into theirs. Yeah, that's a fun little mashup. That works out really well. Good stuff. I noticed a little comment here from Steven, wonder if anyone in Antarctica, I'm not sure what that's in reference to, but we did have we did have an answer to explore on the list. So if you missed that, I believe it's, see if I can find the name here. That was Jose Maria Sobral. He's the second on our list of Argentinians. And he was the first Argentinian to go to Argentina for exploration. Very cool. I don't know that I could find 15 people from Antarctica. That would be a stretch, probably. Probably not a lot of diversity in careers. Yeah, we did. We did get our Antarctic connection. I like it. Cool. Anything else you want to share or talk about before we go? I've heard everything. Tonight I'll be working on a G2G post for tomorrow. So if you missed part of this talk or you know, any anything that you didn't catch here, it should all be in there. And if not, go ahead and just ask your questions over at G2G. I don't follow Discord as much. I need to Discord. And a little bit, it works a little different than my mind works. It's a little bit harder for me to follow. But I am on G2G every day. So I'm going to get the questions there. And I do check in at Discord. So eventually, you know, I'll get your questions. Well, there's a good group there that help respond to stuff. Well, yeah. I'm finding that there isn't a lot of need. The team members are able to help each other out there. So for sure. All right, cool. Well, Ukraine, we're excited. Let's see what you guys can do. Okay. Like I said, if you want to start today, just go to either India or Argentina and change the name in the address bar to Ukraine. And you can get started. If not, tomorrow I'll have the links up. You can get going three weeks to see what we can do. Sounds good. Thanks, David. Okay. Have a good week.


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frigid ard cave in northeast ohio i'm len paralta uh good brian thank you very much for letting me use your studio oh absolutely man no it's been a treat to to feel like a run-up operation yeah yeah this is this has been fantastic we also have our producer roger chang manning the board at home thank you roger thank you for having me absolutely uh hey you know what we should do start with a few tech things you should know qualcomm announced it removed dr paul jacob's as executive chair of the company although he will remain on the board if you don't know the family jacob's father co-founded qualcomm back in 1985 the board named jeffrey w henderson to serve as an independent and non-executive chair broadcom bid for qualcomm last november but as we've talked about extensively on dtns the offer is stalled it was rejected by qualcomm's board least twice and is now a national security review in the us and meanwhile march 10 if you squint it looks kind of like the word mario if you spell it mar10 so google is celebrating by letting users of the google maps app change their location marker into a mario cart just look for the question block shaped button in the bottom right the features rolling out today will be available for a week google assistant will let companies create custom commands when the assistant is built into their products so a smart appliance that supports google's voice assistant could start a hyper cycle even if that's not a universal command used by other appliances universal commands on google assistant already exist but are limited to what google's already set up like on off or dim google also updated assistant actions to send you notifications on your phone and has improved media playback abilities at the same time amazon launched follow-up commands for the amazon voice services so you don't have to say al's name every time you tell her to do something just the first time within a few seconds it's uh i want to think of how many euphemisms for al we get it the big a you know lexie yeah there you go all right let's talk a little bit more about automated trucks yeah man wemo announced the pilot program in atlanta and they were going to continue tests on its autonomous technology with semi-trucks which have added challenges beyond average size cars as one can imagine next week alphabet owned wemo's self-driving trucks will start taking cargo to google's data centers though drivers will be in the trucks as a safety measure earlier this week uber announced that its driverless trucks were making freight deliveries in arizona and starsky robotics announced an initial test this week of its remotely driven trucks embark has been operating its autonomous trucks since last autumn so we are living in a world where autonomous trucks deliver things that is the world we live in this second right now in multiple places i i think the most interesting part is i was thinking what's it gonna take to get people out of the cars and i'm seeing the answer just in this summary because first it'll be there'll be drivers in there for safety and then remote drivers and then it'll say well nothing ever goes wrong why can't they watch two cars at the same time why don't these remote drivers have four or five of them open and at some point it becomes just an engineering position like an IT manager first they came for the truck drivers and brian said that's cool can they get me out of the driver's seat mixed up magicians by reading robots no well i mean this is a lot like we were talking about in arizona the other day where it's like okay this is a very limited test right you're going from data centers to another place using semi trucks you know with with drivers in the driver's seat to make sure that you know if anybody's paying attention to whether or not this should work in the greater atlanta area it's it's step one of of a much larger rollout yeah but but the fact that there's so many different companies doing it at once for some reason leaps it another step forward in my mind because it's not like oh well one company's testing this and maybe they'll roll it out like these are these are coming these these are going to be a normal thing it'll be the movie Logan in reality yes as we all know all of us are getting adamantium claws and we're all going to be old alcoholics with maybe all of them i just met them one little part with the sure sure hey guys want to talk about os loyalty yeah okay a report from consumer intelligence research partners found that phone ios loyalty or os loyalty rather has remained steady since 2016 if you're wondering who wins android has a 91 loyalty rate compared to 86 percent for ios with android benefiting from a wider selection of devices much wider but because there's so many more android users ios still gets a larger number of users switching to it then the other way around this is so fascinating to me because i wish i could tell you that my position as a ios loyalist is a reasoned position that was made for you know thoughtful decisions um but that's not the case i just happened to have it and now it's inertia pushing me forward and forward and forward and now it would be a big thing to switch and i got to tell you switching to the chaotic environment of android especially where there's you know i i found that my prejudices have been increased as i have gotten cozy for the last 10 years in the ios side now i irrationally feel like you know android is a is a inherently less safe environment and so on yeah i find this fascinating in many respects one is it is a signal that we have matured on the phone operating system uh so we have we've now settled into the 90s of phone operating systems when it was windows and mac and that was pretty much it you know which i remember thinking the moment android was announced i was like i wonder if we're going to see a second coming of the pc wars and and 10 years later that seems to have borne fruit i do think that it's interesting that android is more popular i think it's very easy to explain when it's got more devices if you're like hmm i don't really like this htc oh i'll get an lg you stayed loyal to android because you stay with all your apps but you can get a new device whereas a few more people might move off of ios because they're like i don't want to go to the iphone anymore although it's a bigger jump so that's why they keep their 86 loyalty because people like i don't want to have to you know go into an entirely new ecosystem i wonder how long before these os is either become irrelevant or get disrupted what seems to be happening with windows and mac is that the operating system on the desktop is just becoming less of an issue anymore and so we're not going to see linux on the desktop be the big disruptor that people thought it's it's an entirely different setup it's chrome os it's it's different form factors all together in fact operating systems on phones are actually the ones that that are taking over this right like operating systems on phones have have taken what i think people thought would happen with windows and mac right and said to the extreme because it's all hard coded into the device well and as somebody who i've only had an iphone since smartphones were available right and i know a lot of people who are on android and i pay a lot of attention to that but some of my less technical friends who have always had and rich phones look at my phone and they're just like wow what are you doing it really is it you know when it comes to like the the the daily sort of uh you know methodical ways that you use your smartphones it's not that similar actually yeah the big things are similar but how you get there are different exactly yeah when i switch from one to the other and i use both that's the thing that always strikes me is like oh right i have a five a different five step path to make that happen well and having the opportunity to switch back and forth is one thing but most people just just don't yeah no uh reviews are out for intel's optane ssd 800p drives these are the drives that use 3d cross point memory um it's it's a matrix memory so it's it's it tells a little vague on how they implement it but essentially you stack memory on top of each other so that there's shorter distance between points then you can make it faster that's oversimplifying it the basics of how it works uh these drives cost 129 bucks for 58 gigabytes not a lot of gigabytes per dollar 199 dollars for 118 gigabytes when compared to a budget drive it might do well gizmodo liked it compared to budget drives but if you compare it to an equivalently priced hard drive pc world notes you can find better performance at higher capacity uh so its main advantage right now is longevity pc world suggests it might make sense at a corporate raid setup this is uh this is these are the ones that don't use the sata at all they actually plug right into the pc i slot that's correct they don't use sata so these so these these these are these are the the proof of concept like we can make a 3d cross point drive price is going to have to come down capacity is going to have to go up then when it's apples to apples on price and capacity these should outperform everything else yeah and nowadays i find myself increasingly as as i think more is a business and less as an individual consumer it used to be all i cared about with speed uh but nowadays data redundancy preservation of files and all that stuff that that longevity of the hardware that's the the big motivating factor as i consider safety yeah twitter ceo jack dorsi announced via periscope stream that the company is working to allow users to verify themselves so that twitter can take itself out of the selection process dorsi said it would free the company from judgment or imply any bias twitter verification was originally given out to public figures and celebrities in 2016 twitter allowed everyone to request verification but who received a blue check mark ever since who didn't was a mystery to many users still a mystery to me i still have no idea the rhyme or reason of how they pick that stuff well i don't think twitter does either that's why they're like you know what we're going to make make a whole different system where like you can verify yourself and you know we'll we'll use something that's like similar to how arabian b can can verify people who want to rent out their house because for the last several years a lot of people who would fall into the celebrity or journalist or otherwise public figure category like couldn't get check marks and they didn't know why yeah well and and it this seems inherently more fair to me and and trust me as somebody who was really excited to get my check mark oh now everyone has stars upon dars you know it's like i i i want to be petty like that but i think this is a smart decision and in fact i can see them going even farther into essentially a community driven yelp style rating of how legit public figure this person is is this person important or whatever and and you i actually think they shouldn't do that i'm not saying you're wrong that they they might but the problem is people see that check mark as a value proposition right like i'm like endorse this means they're they're credible and you can believe them and the fact of the matter is shouldn't mean that at all it should just mean this person says they're brian brushwood and we're pretty sure they are like that's really all it should mean hey what about uh facebook sarah facebook has added warner music group as a licensed partner that's the last major label to sign with the social network the deal allows labels to collect royalties on tracks that are used in videos messages as well as facebook posts themselves the company also has exclusive streaming rights for 25 weekday major league baseball games this season that's a first starting April 4th with the fillies and the mats yeah they've streamed games before but they weren't the exclusive streaming source of those games in the past so so now they've got a although i'm not sure how exclusive this is justin and i were talking about this earlier today uh they're probably going to still show these things on tv on the mlb network on tv well why are they called uh exclusive streaming so like streaming yeah the network's own apps would not have this uh well the mlb network doesn't have an app the mlb has mlb all access that's another question i have is if i'm paying for mlb all access do i not get this game then like i have a lot of questions about this but i guess it means like you're not going to see this anywhere else but facebook that isn't mlb like mlb i think is a whole different uh a whole different question so for free free streaming you're gonna have to go with facebook and it brought to my mind the idea that facebook has been becoming trying to become a media company twitter has been trying to become a media company for a long time trying to become a news company uh facebook seems like it's really really trying to be a place where you can you know put music in your videos and listen to music and and now you can you can you know watch watch baseball games and they've carried other sports live so i i do see facebook and twitter possibly becoming competitors to netflix and amazon and all of the cable networks uh i'll tell you one thing this story made me realize is if there's one thing i know less about than uh music licensing rights it's baseball that that was your big revelation yeah i was like i know nothing about either of these well but it's funny because twitter has experimented with this over the last few years in a variety of capacities and it with mixed results but no one is well not no one most people are not going to twitter to be like well let's dream the latest you know mlb game or or whatever the fact that facebook wants to try this out and the fact that they have more users um they're less reliant on that kind of you know twitter real time syntax um they you know they i think they have a better chance of this working than twitter ever did i mean twitter i think will become news uh apparently they're they're streaming with streaming partnership with bloomberg has done pretty well i don't know if they can ever bust out of that even if they get thursday night football again or something like that but who knows i i think this is an interesting thing to watch it could be in five years we're like remember when facebook and twitter we're trying to get in this game and it didn't work or we might be saying isn't it crazy that facebook and twitter are networks just you know that we think of them right alongside all this other stuff uh hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines sarah lane has been kicking ass bringing it to you all week at dailytechheadlines.com you can also find it on your amazon echo on the google home and in the anchor app or subscribe to it as a podcast dailytechheadlines.com all right let's get into a story that's been uh highly voted up on our subreddit uh daily tech headlines headed on yesterday's show this is a couple days old but i thought it's something we could dive a little more deeply into california's proposed legislation to give you the right to repair your electronics that is pretty much targeted smartphone makers but it would apply to a lot of gadgets a lot of electronics promoted say it could cut down on the high fees that manufacturers charge to repair products cut down on the added waste of products getting discarded instead of being fixed because it's so expensive to fix i might as well just buy a new one california isn't alone 17 other states have introduced similar legislation none of them yet have passed new york had a big long fight over this uh and all of the companies google apple microsoft are against it they want to control that repair situation now california has a law in the books that says companies have to provide a certain amount of repair three years for cheaper products seven years for more expensive ones but it doesn't say they have to let third parties do it so they can charge almost anything they want for that do we feel that we should have that right or should it be up to companies to say you know what if you don't like our repair policies don't buy our products it's tough because uh ultimately both sides of the issue are wishing for competition to solve it in the case of of the argument for the right to repair is saying it's bs that seven years after i buy this refrigerator there's only one company that can fix it and uh they're charging out the wazoo i would like more competition so i want this law to open it up to third party people however um in doing that that now restricts all of these companies to uh to not make a daring wild possibly poorly advised uh changes to their products for example when uh let's say let's say all of this came came to pass you might have a thing where all of a sudden apple as they put together the new macbook when they uh made headlines a few years ago when they switched to gluing parts down instead of having screws in there and they're like hey this is going to make it difficult to repair they're like yeah we know but it's also going to make it thinner and lighter and a better experience while it's working that's their crazy decision to make and if this passes you restrict their ability to do that kind of stuff i don't think you restrict their ability to do that at all well if if if for example and of course we're we're comparing future made-up uh nightmare escapes right so in the nightmare escape i'm imagining the they want to do something like go to gluing everything down then all of a sudden somebody who does not work at apple is able to say uh you can't do that because that's not what this law would say this law with all this law says uh and the versions of it are apple has to provide the manual on how to fix it and has to not prohibit people from doing it right well so it would be actually be an apples it would actually encourage apple to glue things down because they're like this way it's harder for third party right yeah if you want to build your own smartphone go ahead here here's an unfortunate example in my part no i think it's a good example though because uh it would encourage companies to make products harder to repair which would be the opposite intention of the law well and that's so often what happens this is what makes me nervous about this well-intentioned legislation often has perverse unintended consequences and it's it's pretty easy to consider some future worlds where you know innovation slows down or it becomes more complicated it's it reduces the number of players in the market because you have to be a big enough company that you can afford to to take these do things the conventional way instead of a wild-eyed outsider kind of way i want the right to repair uh i don't think the companies should be able to put it in their terms of service that if you try to repair this you lose your warranty and we won't we won't touch it anymore i think that's a law i can get behind is like don't let companies artificially restrict my ability to repair making them give diagnostic manuals to the competition to their competition i mean you're not it's not reverse engineering stuff they don't have to give away trade secrets but they do have to say like hey you know here's here's how you diagnose the problem that's where i'm i'm iffy i'm not necessarily set against it but i can see the argument a lot for the for the company to say okay but why should i be forced to do that if they can reverse engineer it the law prohibits me from stopping them fine but why should i help them yeah well and keep in mind also uh google's or sorry apple's entire brand is based on this closed architecture like we are mommy and daddy and we will take care of you and all of these third party repair people exist because of the massive success of the the daring way that they've arranged their company so to to break that and to say no no no now you have to work with these competitors these these remora that have a i'm acting like i hate repaired people that's not the case at all uh but but but these these hangers on you now have to support them directly which i don't know i it feels it just feels dangerous to me and i and i don't have anything other than a vague uh spider sense about it but i'm almost certainly wrong like i am about everything i i'm i was gonna jump in here and just saying part of part of uh what bugs me is that if you own something why are you i have seven years after you've owned it why does the company still have a control over that product you paid for it and you own it it's like saying you can never work in your car because you bought like a bmw you can only go to a bmw certified shop or a bmw dealership to get it worked on i can't pull out a wrench i can't you know um bolt a couple of a couple of nuts and take the tire off i have to do that at a certified repair it's like i paid money for it it's mine i should be able to do whatever i want to it well sure they're not telling you you can't do it they're just saying we're not going to help you do it well no right now companies are saying we're telling you you can't do it okay and that is that is what this law would address uh well and and i can't do it with the punishment of uh what like what is the what is the um you would be breaking the supposed eula agreement uh when you bought that bought that item but the punishment would be you're just out of warranty right which is kind of how it's always been yeah i mean most of the time that's it it's not just out of warranty but like if if you need to bring it in for any kind of service that is that is covered by us we won't do it even if you paid for apple care we won't do it you've broken through man that's an ugly artifact but i feel like that's fair it doesn't feel like i should be legally compelled to to do a thing i don't want to do i i don't know okay but imagine a system a situation where uh the screen on your iphone broke you've replaced the iphone yourself uh the iphone screen yourself and then uh you have a problem with iCloud not related to your hardware screen at all you bring it into apple they're like oh we can tell you replaced uh your own screen we're not going to we're not going to fix your iCloud problem right well so the question is do businesses have the right do they have the freedom to be bad and i feel like that's one of the most vital rights for every business business to have now when when roger alludes to the the john deere situation what john deere's doing with tractors is saying uh because we have the rights over this system if you go in and repair it we can sue you for violating the dmca right well and and in this case this is uh this is where i get to be the smug third party guy where i'd be like oh so at the heart of it you need a law to fix another bad law you know so which which you know you can make the case where it's like well the one law wasn't there you wouldn't need the other one to patch it yeah i i i am for right to repair laws that give me that preserve the rights that roger was describing like as long as it's saying look if you want to repair something or you want to pay someone else to repair something there shouldn't be any ill effects for that uh and if apple sells parts or if google sells parts to anyone they should anybody should be able to buy those they they you know i i feel like that's that's fair but i get where you're coming from brian of like on the other hand if it's a truly competitive arena then you could just go somewhere else and buy something else that's part of the problem too especially with phones uh you're getting fewer and fewer and this is the inherent bias with legislation like this is that it drives people to look at the the the scene benefit and uh it's much more difficult to make up the unintended consequences yeah uh well listen folks we know you got opinions on this so send them to us feedback at daily tech news show dot com uh that's where we get emails right yeah in fact the word lens feedback keeps rolling in we really hit a nerve this one comes from john and says as another counterpoint to your experiences because we were talking about word lens and and and google lens over the last couple of days john says i'm on vacation in chile and i have a very specific use case for word lens i am a diagnose celiac so i need to be really careful of what i eat but i enjoy going out to eat a restaurant so i use the feature to get a general idea of what's being offered on the menu before i have to ask the wait staff in broken english or my broken spanish which is worse uh what i should do seems like a go-to far better than i have no idea what would you recommend i i would assume that you the menu might not even be enough sometimes and you'll need to rely on lens to to make some statements like what's in this right yeah there are many menus that don't say like and here's what's in every dish yeah yeah but but i i guess you know having food restrictions in a menu that's not in your native language is a really good use case at least to get like one step beyond not knowing what the hell you're doing heck yeah yeah for sure thank you john for the email and thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit that's how we got today's discussion topic submit those stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com and keep the conversation hopping it's doing doing well over there in our facebook group facebook.com slash groups slash daily tech news show before we get out of here let's check in with len peralta who's been illustrating the show Len what do you got well of course right to repair right to uh you know right for repair information or parts available where do i go i go straight to the beastie boys everybody you got a fight for your right to make repair information parts available to product owners and third-party repair shops and services it's very catchy yeah good beat danceable it's excellent that's today's image which can pick up at lenperaltstore.com check it out oh it's so great i love it brian brishwood thank you for being with us oh thank you so much for having me guys freddy's in a row what's going on a south by this weekend we're all here for south by so wasted tomorrow if you are here in austin on march 10th come on out 2 p.m at the kung fu saloon we're going to be doing a live night attack and a meet up if you've heard my silly voice for years and wanted to see my silly face in real time you can finally do it go check it out where where can they find information about this if they're like uh that's so many things to remember is there a tweet my producer brice.com castillo at 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self-drivers dream of crushing electric peaches putting a few concepts together there you you have the right to repair electronics freedom to be bad uh that would be funny if it was you might have the right you might have the right products man man what to impair when you're repairing get it like what to expect when you're expecting oh got it yeah we got a second uh i don't know um you might have the right to repair electronics i just voted on that one i i think what bio cap was going for is like you have the right to remain silent you have the right to remain unrepaired anything you repair can will be used against you all right i'm gonna log off guys all right thanks len it's good bye and have a great weekend stay warm yes see you next week take care okay man already already the backlash on twitter on twitter to you yeah of course of course because you had an opinion that wants to be the guy that's defending big government or big big business i'll defend a big government okay you know what nobody could ever not defend these chips okay so have a corn talk about backlash though sarah eating chips on a mic i didn't do it during the show before sarah looks so dejected she's like oh like she got jasdaisy glass i've just i've had enough it today i'm sorry i'm just trying to prevent it no i know i won't eat them what to impair when you're repairing oh you might have the right to repair electronics let's go with that you might have the right to repair oh you know what uh what if you what if you can you add a slash in there so it looks like lyrics you have the right slash to repair slash and then you can spell out electronics yeah we gave you that's a little wise oh yeah i don't know how long you do i don't know if it's too long for the character count how many characters you get uh as many as we want it's just it's up to us if it's too long like it'll scroll off people's it's not like a hard limit yeah well the good news is if it gets cut off with a dot dot dot it's pretty clear that oh these are uh this is a take on the beastie boy song i i'm not married to it either way it's your show tom no i know oh yeah you're like brian they'll you will never need to explain that to me again oh that is so true you have the right to repair electronics and then keep on going you say you're caught your uh apple caught your open in your old laptop they're so angry their top is gonna pop you got the right to repair electronics except when i write it out it looks like electronics i like that even better electronics you can do the n electron yeah there we go that's probably better you have the right to repair electron yeah there we go electrons gotcha yeah so you have this so wait that's the title you have the right to repair electronics yeah you're good with that yeah that's fine because i'm just looking at the one you uh slack to me yeah the second one i slack to you not the one with all the o's the one with all the ends okay normally you i was just a little uh a little uh surprised normally you're not into a long long constant i just don't have a lot of other options as my parents said i'm all other options it's it is a little long no race sounds good good i need to levelated and i'm taking it here and do that thing to it open with is that your dog barking uh yeah i don't actually have a dog mine heard a dog barking yeah he stopped though right yeah yeah he barked himself out that was his last bark now it'll be silver blade in the chat room said someone's dog is barking oh yeah and i thought it was my feet i'm surprised uh i'm surprised that that oh you know what i have the door cracked normally i have it shut when we're recording and i just opened it because i thought i heard a knock at it you got a fight oh you're right two pa so what else is up um blood pressure is there is there anything big happening in south by southwest i should be excited about you're more plugged in than i am these days no in fact i lean and i were talking about this this morning like there doesn't seem to be a ton of movies that are buzzy yet hey the big one is the horror movie that uh um john k from the office oh john red dreds krasinski krasinski thank you yeah the uh i'll tell you what man this being the i think this is the second friday in a row that uh that i popped in uh friday afternoons apparently there's a gap in my schedule that's pretty good to join you guys uh and i love you you know now that i got a drum to bang to let people know about the modern rogue dot com and the articles the modern rogue dot com and the articles yeah i didn't i didn't i didn't mention it we ended up the modern rogue dot com as articles well yes they're really good they're all designed to make you the most interesting person in the room every time you get a takeaway from some of the best comedy writers on the internet most of which used to i think all of which worked for cracked and got laid off uh and so where i'm trying to hire them as fast as i can nice got to catch them all crack crack crack him on former crack demons i got john cheesacus i choose you i use your biting with john cheese used biting wit against uh against topic about sardonic wit yeah there we go come on that's good uh the articles are way good i'm really excited about uh it's fun for it to be um something that that i'm not face to face with all day every day and so i wake up in the morning and i knew now have a favorite news site and i read the articles first thing i'm like this is amazing i read the modern rogue dot com for the article that's what that was the first response bonnie said oh no no i i would never watch brian and jason i i only go there for the articles i don't want to see the pinups i promise okay um well shoot anything else uh no should i uh stop the cast i guess so bye guys good to see everybody it was fun we miss you monday hate mail to ashwood drive safely