I would like to take the time to thank our brother, our family member, brother CG. This video is not necessarily dedicated but certainly inspired. A few weeks back, the reason why he brought those questions up with those two words up is because it relates to another passage. He brought those up in regards to a passage, I believe in Acts. There's other passages that have this but then he brought this up in relation to something that's in James 519. This passage in James 519 is used by people who believe that you can lose your salvation. In other words, that you can walk away because in James 519, it seems as though by some account that there is a brother who walked away. So what I want to do is I want to go to that particular passage, James 519. Let me see if I have, there it is. James 519, I want to read that passage first. Then CG says, oh, I remember. And so this is, you are responsible for this because it made me go back and think of something else. I want to show you something, one, the passage, and then let's see where the hubbub, the kerfuffle, I like that word, comes from. In James 519 it says, brethren, if any among you strays away from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the air of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sin. Now, at first glance, it seems as though a brother can walk or stray away from the truth. As a matter of fact, when I was wrestling with eternal security, and I used to, I was a big proponent, I believed that a person can lose their salvation. This was one of the passages. This was one of the passages, Galatians 5, also John 15. These were passages that just made me feel as though you could lose your salvation. It's clear. Why would he be saying, brethren, if any among you strays away from the truth? Now, initially I would think that, well, this is someone who wasn't really saved. This wasn't a true brother. The reason why it couldn't be, it wasn't a true brother. And I would ask other people, what do you think about this? Who believed in eternal security and their explanations just didn't do justice. It didn't help me up because it says, if you're gonna say this is not a brother, this is not in regards to salvation, the problem is saves his soul from death. No, wait a minute. It's gotta be in relation to salvation because it says saves his soul from death. So there's something going on here, clearly relating to salvation. But the issue he is, is if any among you. And that is going to be a question. So what I wanna do in kind of a nerdy fashion, I wanna go back and revisit a debate that I had with Dr. Michael Brown. And there was something that he said in this debate that I didn't catch. I didn't catch at all. As a matter of fact, I wish I had caught it. Oftentimes, one of the easiest things that you can see happen on YouTube is someone will take a video that you do and then go over it and say, see what you should have done or what you should have said. However, it's easy to sit back and say after seeing it what they should have done, digested, regurgitated and so forth, versus why you're there. Cause sometimes you're not hearing everything or you've got other things happening, you're looking this way, you're looking that way. There are times where someone can say something to me, they can be on camera or we're here with me and then I turn, but I'm not seeing it or I don't see something in the chat. Why? Because I'm looking at the camera. The camera's right here and the chats are right there or right there. They're not like right in my face. So therefore, therefore I, sometimes you don't quite catch everything. Am I reviewing the new documentary about One Saved, Always Saved? No, not today, but I will. I'm gonna cover it. I'm gonna take care of their points. They start off talking about how the early church fathers did not believe in One Saved, Always Saved. And these are the guys that are closest.  They bring up Cyprian. They bring up Irenaeus. They bring up Justin Martyr. And now I've said this before, I don't think too much. I don't think all that highly of the early church fathers because they're men, guess what, they're not. They're not in the Bible. And well, but they're the closest to it and so they know more. Well, wait a second, these are the very same church fathers who many of them thought that Jesus was 50. Many of them had a hard, couldn't get a good grasp on the deity of Christ. Many of them had different interpretations of salvation. Many of them had, most of them as a matter of fact, believe through the Holy Spirit that Jesus is coming back in their lifetime. So these are fallible men. So no, I don't give them a whole lot of weight. I give the scriptures weight. And we'll deal with that later on. But no, this is in regards to a conversation that we had. Dr. Brown and I had. And there's something that he said, and ladies and gentlemen, I just, I'm sorry, but I didn't pick it up. I didn't catch it. And so I wanna show you what I didn't catch. We were talking about initially John 10. We were talking about John 10, John 10 really verse 28. And there was something that Michael Brown said in John 10, 28, as well as John 10. He makes the assumption, and he does the same thing in James, that the person in John 10 is a brother. So let's start off with the first portion of this. So he is writing to sheep, but that's the whole point. He does not make us stay sheep. He does not. Now, before I go too far, he says that he is writing to sheep, which is what I said, but he said the condition of John 10, 28 must be, that you must be a sheep first. If you are a sheep, then verse 28 applies. Let's go to verse 28, and I'll come back. That's not what I didn't catch part. That's not the part that I didn't catch. And I saw that, I said to myself, wait a second, Corey, how in the world you big dummy, did you miss that? I don't know how I missed that, but I did. And so let me show you what I mean in just a second. Let's pull up on the screen. Let's go to this John 10, 28. And here's the passing question. I'm sorry, let me drop down on verse 28. Let me scroll down quickly. Verse 28, I say a couple of things. Jesus, this is Jesus speaking. Jesus makes a statement. He says that I give, that is my sheep, I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish. And no one will snatch them out of my hand. And my point is that there cannot be a contradiction there. And so if a person could ever perish, well then certainly clause A and clause B would be contradictory. Even if you said, well, you can walk away, but if you can walk away, then what does that do with clause B that says that they shall never perish? Or clause A, and I give eternal life to them. And then, oh, by the way, clause B, it's the most emphatic way to say that something can never, ever, ever happen again. As a matter of fact, because it's a double negation of a subjunctive, it means that nothing can ever happen to thwart this even in the future. Well, he says, yes, but that means if you are sheep, you have to be a sheep. And I'm telling him that this is describing what a sheep is, how a sheep is.   Because 27, all it says is, my sheep hear my voice. Which is what we've always said, sheep hear his voice. Sheep don't stop being sheep. He makes a conclusion, he makes the assumption, he adds something to the text. The text doesn't say that if you are a sheep, no, it says that if, he says that because you are a sheep, it is emphatic, it is an indicative, a sheep will do this. What does he say? And I'll get to the point in a second. And you're gonna find out that he kind of halfway agreed with me and then caught himself. You're gonna see in a second. But he says about Jesus and his sheep. He says, when he, that is Jesus, puts forth all his own sheep, he goes ahead of them, and the sheep follow him. So what will the sheep do? The sheep will follow him. Why? He even tells us why. God is so awesome. He even helps us out and tells us why. Why? Hati, because they know his voice. Who? The sheep, a sheepess. As someone said before, we be sheepen. And so a sheep that are sheepen, we are sheeping following him. He says, a stranger, also in the most emphatic way he could say, he says, a stranger, they will never, it says simply will not follow. A stranger, who may accalute so said they will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever follow a stranger. He also helps us out here. He says the reason why, but will flee from the stranger. Why? Because they don't know the stranger's voice. So now, his point was, you have to become a sheep and stay a sheep. That's not what, that's nowhere in this passage. Now he's gonna bring up the fact that there are these warning passages. And here in lies the issue. Let's go to where the part that I missed something that Dr. Brown said. Does not make us stay in the sheepfold. And we can walk away to our own destruction. Hence the exhortation at the end of James five. If someone, a brother, walks away, we're talking about someone who is saved. And there are. Now he makes the assumption that in James 519 that someone can walk away. He says, a brother. The question is on the floor is James 519 speaking about a brother. Well, let's put it back on the screen. It says my brethren seems to be talking about why would you call, I dealt for it. Why would you call a person that's not a brother? Brethren. Well, we are going to see in just a second. Verses explicit, Galatians is explicitly written to believers who had the Holy Spirit. Ephesians explicitly written to believers who had the Holy Spirit and who were in Christ. So these are sheep that are being warned. Okay, so you, James five, you said that this is a brother but he says, if any among you. So isn't James speaking about, because again, where are the passages then because you would agree that there are people who also would claim to be a Christian who aren't. Where are the passages warning them? Now, I'm gonna come back to that. I'm back with just a little bit but I want you all to catch the point. In James 519, my contention is he's not saying these are brothers that are, that stray away from the truth. He's saying if there's anyone, this is what CG brought up, if there's anyone among you. And my contention is this is him warning those that are amongst the brethren. By the way, how do you know a brethren isn't really a brethren?  Well, they stray away from the truth. This head knowledge is understanding. They stray away from the truth. And by the way, this is not a verb but a noun, they are straying away from the understanding, the knowledge. And so this is stating that a brother, I mean, someone that's amongst the brethren, if any among you. He didn't say if any of you, he said if any among you. Okay. I wanna know if you can make sure you guys are following with me. So I wanna start it up again, back up just a little bit and pick up this argument again. Would not, is not James, isn't James speaking about? Because again, where are the passages then? Because you would agree that there are people who also would claim to be a Christian who aren't, where are the passages warning them? Would not, is not James, five, 19 and 20, a passage warning? Because he uses the word humane, which is among you.  Yeah, the language of James is so simple. By the way, I'd get a kick out of him. He does this thing, he does this thing where it's kind of in an era of superiority, kind of sending away, which is fine. He said, the language is so simple. Okay, we're gonna see how simple it is in just a second. Look in verse 13, is any among you in trouble? You're reading among you, you're trying to read something into the words, the exact opposite of what he's saying. Those among you are the believers. Is any among you in trouble? Among you. Let them pray. Is anyone happy, let them sing songs and prays? Is any among you sick? So he, every time he's saying among you, just a few verses either, brothers, this is those among you, those among you, those among you. So this is the whole point. My brothers, if one of those among you should wander from the truth, he's making it explicitly clear, not just calling him a brother. But he's saying it's the exact same Greek. Now let's stop for a second. He brings up James 513. He says, it's the exact same Greek. I've contended this before and I think I'm on good ground. Yes, it's the exact same Greek. And in that part, it means the same thing. He's not talking about believers. What people like him, they'll do is they'll say that James 513 is talking about someone being physically healed. There's a huge problem with that. If he's speaking now, I could be wrong, but there is a huge problem that needs to be overcome for me to be showing this. Here it is. Let's go to James 513. Is anyone among you in the same word? Tease, ain't, humane. So if anyone is among you, is suffering. Now, you could just easily say if any of you, the Bible literally says that even in the Greek, if any of you, but if any of you, doesn't say if any of you are suffering, which would be clear, he's speaking to the brethren. But he says, if any among you, he says, then he must pray, is anyone cheerful? Now, the reason why it makes a big difference if he's speaking about a physical sickness versus a spiritual sickness. And oh, by the way, the words that are used here are used in both ways. And so you can't say that this word only means a physical sickness, nor could you even say that this is only meaning of a spiritual sickness. If it's spiritual sickness, what are we talking about? We're talking about salvation. If it's physical sickness, then we're talking about pneumonia, a cold, it can be anything. So in this case, I'm contending that he's talking about physical sickness. Why? He says, is any among you sick? Well, obviously everybody is not sick, but he says, then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord and the prayer offered in faith. Ladies and gentlemen, let me put this on, leave it on the screen. Just you guys looking at the text, the prayer offered in faith. What will happen when the prayer is offered in faith? What will happen? I want you guys to catch this, because I think too many of us, we just see this and just keep moving. We just running too fast. The prayer offered in faith will do what? What does this text say? Let me highlight it or yeah, the prayer offered in faith, what does it say? Y'all help me out, because I need to make sure that it's not just me, make sure it's not just my understanding or my English or my Greek. What will the prayer offered in faith do? Does it say will restore? Is that what it says? I just want to make sure I'm also seeing this. Does it say, does it say the prayer offered in faith will restore? Mama Bates says yes. I see it stands as make the person well. Catherine will restore. So the prayer offered in faith will restore. I've got a question, ladies and gentlemen. Has anyone ever in the history of mankind since the cross ever given a prayer offered in faith that did not restore them physically? Has it ever happened that a prayer offered in faith did not restore the person physically? They didn't get well. They died or they stayed sick or what have you? Has that ever happened? Yes. It's always, matter of fact, a lot of times it happens that someone prays, someone doesn't get well. Now, they're gonna come back and say, well, you didn't have enough faith. Well, who didn't have enough faith? Who didn't have enough faith? I had enough faith, it didn't happen. Or how about Paul? He's praying for something, this thorn in the flesh, whatever it was, he didn't get well. What about Trophimus? What about Timothy? What about the one that they sent for Peter? But people don't always get well. People don't always get well, even though there's a prayer offered in faith. So if this is talking about physical sickness, then we got a problem. If this is talking about physical sickness, well then every time someone prays a prayer offered in faith, that person, according to this text, will get well. There is no way around it. This is, so say, this is the future active indicative, that means they will get well. The one who will restore the one who was sick. Now, if it's spiritual sickness, ah, that's different. If a person is sick spiritually, and by the way, this word is used in that fashion also, if there's a prayer offered in faith, won't they get well? Yes, they will. The one who was sick and the Lord, look what it says, and the Lord will raise him up and if he has committed sin, wait a second, what does sin and being raised up have to do with being physically sick? He says they will be forgiven. This is clearly, well at least to me, I shouldn't say clearly, to me this is someone's spiritual condition. Their sins will be forgiven. The Lord will raise him up and if he's committed sins. Therefore, look what he says, therefore in view of this confess your sins one to another and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much. Now, that's the whole point that I'm making now. This is what the reason why we go to 513 again, because this part right here guys, there's the Greek part that's in question. Uh oh, here's the Greek part that's in question. If I can move this thing, there it is. Y'all see what's highlighted. Matter of fact, let me highlight it in yellow. This un, hey man, if y'all see on your screen, let me make it a little bit bigger as a matter of fact, since this is an important thing that we're talking about. This un, hey man, make this bigger also. This is among you. This phrase among you. Now in this passage, he's not speaking about everybody. So if any of you, so if there happens to be anyone amongst you who I believe is spiritually sick, going back to James 519, the very same words, let's make that bigger also, the very same words. Highlight that so that you can see that as well. Let me make this bigger also over here. So if anyone is sick, or if anyone strays among you, if anyone among you. Now the question I'm gonna ask you and you're gonna hear him, have you ever admitted something, said something? Come on, tell the truth, say the devil.   You quickly change it, you go to the next statement. I did not catch this. I'm asking him a question. My question is, and I'll rewind this a little bit, I said, there are these warning passages. If the Bible wants you, or if someone in the Bible wants to warn you, if James is not writing to the brethren, but let's say if James wanted to write to the people that are not brothers who happened to be around the brethren, because there are people, think about this guys, there are people that aren't saved, that aren't brethren that go to church, right? There are people that aren't brethren that aren't saved, but hear the preaching, hear the gospel, hear teaching. There might be some people in the chats who are hearing this, but may not be saved. That's possible, right? So if you were to write to them to warn them, how would you write it? Because listen to some of these people, there are no scriptures that write to or speak about those people. Where is the passage warning the person who is not a brother who thinks he's a brother? Where is the passage of the scripture that's warning the person who is just going to church? So my question is, if you were to write this in Greek, how would you say if any amongst you, not you brethren, but how would you write it any amongst the brethren who are not brethren?  Is any sick among you? So this is the whole point. My brothers, if one of those among you should wander from the truth, he's making it explicitly clear, not just calling him a brother, but he's saying it's the exact same Greek. Is any sick among you, right? Is anyone among you in trouble? Does one among you leave? Here's how you get them back. Of course he's writing to believers. You turn the meaning of the Greek completely upside down to make it the opposite of what it means. You're saying I'm turning upside down, so let me ask you this question. How would you write it in the Greek to refer to someone who's not a believer? How would you write in the Greek, how would you write to the believers how to deal with the non-believers among you? How would you write it? You'd say some of my, you'd say some of my, you'd say some of my, you'd say some of my, or someone would you catch it? I asked you, how would you say then, how would you write it that some people who aren't brothers, how would they, how would you say it then? What did he say? You would say some among you. That's what he said then. He literally just said what the Bible said. His mouth, his mouth says you would say some among you and then he caught himself. We play it again. Believer. How would you write in the Greek, how would you write to the believers how to deal with the non-believers among you? How would you write it? You'd say some of my, you'd say some of my, you'd say some of my, you'd say some of my, I'm, you'd say some of my, I'm not gonna say it in Greek because I don't speak Biblical. And I wanted to do that and play it over and over again and slow it down because that's what he says. And he says, I'm not gonna say it in Greek. No, you just, how would you say it in English or Greek? You just said it, which is the point. So if this John 519 means what you say, how would you say it to say what I'm saying? I've asked this question in other passages before. If you wanna say, for example, it's in, those that believe you can walk away from salvation. How would you write it? How would you say it's impossible for you to ever walk away? How would you write that? How would you, anyone that disagrees, how would you say it's, you would never walk away? How would you write it's impossible for a sheep to ever walk away? I'm waiting for that because one of the other questions, how would you ever say in the Greek or in English, you would never ever walk away? Can anyone share with me that? Matter of fact, and there are gonna be some of those that are detractors that disagree. So how would you say it? I see some in the chats already. How would you say that, how would you say some amongst the believers, not the believers, but how would you reference the non-believers who are amongst? Y'all do believe, y'all do realize that when Paul or James or anyone else writes a letter, it's not necessarily addressed to a certain person. We do have some letters that are addressed to certain persons, specifically like Philemon. We've got a letter that's addressed to Theophilus. Either he's speaking to a person named Theophilus, or he's calling the body Theophilus. Probably a person though, probably a person, most excellent Theophilus is a common name, but it's also a term used of the believers as well. So let's just say he's writing to a particular person. But all the other letters are writing to a group of people. Do you think that Paul or Peter or James or John or anyone else just didn't realize that non-believers would see these letters also? Of course they did. Why? Because we didn't have copy machines. So you would have these, they would be read in the hearing amongst the people. And so amongst the people, think about this, ladies and gentlemen, when they read the writings from Paul or from Peter, they are reading these in the hearing of the people. So you get a letter from James or from John or from Paul or whomever and they're reading the letter. Do you think that everyone that's gonna be hearing is going to be a believer? So no, if any among you hear this truth and walk away, cause notice what they're walking away from. Again, let's put it back on the screen. Every time we see in the Bible, someone looks like that they're leaving the faith, they're leaving the faith, the noun, not the verb, but the noun, the tenets of the faith. And so they're walking away from a knowledge, from an understanding. Again, if any one of you let him know, I'm sorry, it strays away from the truth, the truth, the truth, something not from believing, but from the belief, not from faith, not from having faith, but from the faith, the tenets of the faith. That's why Paul says, I have kept not keep, I didn't keep having faith. I kept the faith. And what is Paul talking about in 2 Timothy? He's talking about doctrine. He's talking about sound doctrine. So in this case, no, Dr. Brown, you're wrong. Well, let's continue. Michael Greek, et cetera. I'd do it in Hebrew if you want. That's not gonna help us. But you just say there are some among you who claim to be believers and are not. You'll know them by their fruit. I mean, Jesus does it in Matthew seven. Beware of false prophets, right? They're sheep in wolves clothing. You'll, they're wolves in sheep's clothing. You'll know them by their fruit. So you can walk away. So you can, Dr. Brown. So you can walk away from the faith, false converts amongst the believers.  Very simple. There's some among you who claim to be believers, but you'll know them by their fruit. Okay. So it would seem to me. So it would seem to me. So because you could just simply take out the end, taste, and humane, if you take out the end, you just simply put it, there's any of you. Same with John, with James as well. James five, 13. If any among you. Why does he say, is any among you in trouble? He means non-believers in their midst. Let them pray. Why are they praying? If there is anyone happy, let them sing songs and prays. Is he ready to listen to a non-believer? No. Now this where it gets to be a little bit, a little bit of, not, I wouldn't say snarkiness, but a little bit of arrogance comes in. Now Dr. Brown has a PhD in near Eastern languages, the Semitic languages, Hebrew, and Arabic, and so forth, all that stuff. Not in Greek. As a matter of fact, he just told us that that was not his forte. That's what he told us. I'm not, I don't know if, I don't know. I may, maybe I need to look and see. Does he have multiple PhDs? I don't know. Because he's going to say something about a doctoral dissertation that he writes that is unrelated to his PhD. So maybe he's got a second PhD. I don't know. Maybe he does. I don't know.  That's going to be related to your studies. I'm not, my PhD, I'm not going to get a PhD in, I don't know, electricity, and then write a doctoral dissertation on biology or the green grass. I won't do that. It's going to be related to my field of study. So listen to this. Oh, I mean the language is, it's the way he's talking. Hey, is there any among you? You have a theology that you're coming to with the book, and now you have to twist the words to make them mean something that they don't mean. Well, see, you just, and you notice they wander from the truth and you bring that person back.  You can't bring someone back to the faith who was never saved. You can't bring a person back to the tenets of the faith? Well, who cares about coming to the tenets of the faith?  I'm sorry I shouldn't say that. But that's a bad answer. Who cares about the tenets of the faith? Ladies and gentlemen, can you walk away from the tenets of the faith? Can you present the gospel? Keep presenting the gospel. Say yes, because you do it all the time to other people, or you should have been. Can you present the gospel?  Jesus died on the cross for our sins, shed his blood in place of us. And then someone hears that, entertains that, thinks about it, mauls it over, and then walks away. Can that happen? Is it possible that someone can hear the gospel over and over? And it kind of makes sense. They show up at church, they're clapping, they're dancing, they got their hands up. And man, this was awesome. And all that good stuff. And it makes sense. And then you ask them, do you want to make a professional faith? Not today, not right now. And they walk, and they end up walking away. Happens all the time. So it would be absolutely as a nine, as a 10, as a 11, as a 12 to say that a person cannot walk away from the tenets of the faith. They do it all the time. Nowadays, they change the tenets that God is a woman. Now they change it to where, all you have to do is be good. Or everybody, they change the tenets of the faith all the time. All the time, people do it. Amen, Arsenal, all the time. It's what we call America. It's what we literally call America. It's what we do. So let's put it back on the screen. Faith, if they're not saving faith. So if a person- You don't bring a person back to something they never had? So let me understand this correctly. If a person understands what the gospel is, they understand that, yeah, Christians believe that Jesus died on the cross and so forth. Maybe they grew up in church, I don't know, but they're not believers. They're not actual saved. And they leave that.  Go to what have you. They can't come back to that. That couldn't be what that means because that's absolutely what it means. No, but will it do them any good unless they really know the Lord for themselves? No. You can't know the Lord for yourself if you don't know the tenets of the faith. What do you make a profession in? What do you confess? What do you place faith in? That Jesus could be Buddha? What do you profession in? That there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the prophet? Is that what it is? No, you have to know the tenets of the faith. That's it. And so to make that statement, no, Dr. Brown, what are you just saying? Listen, stop with that and deal with the text. Deal with what I'm saying, but he's looking for a way to get around and I, this is not good. No, and yet he says if they come back, right, they'll save them from the error of their way, save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins. So this is talking about coming back to a saving knowledge. You had this, now you come away and it's explicitly it's people. He just said it. This is talking about coming back to a saving knowledge. Duh, duh, duh, duh. That's what I've been saying. You're coming back to a saving knowledge. You have to know what you're placing your faith in. This is this new, I'm not saying that's him, but there's this new brand of spirituality that I have faith. I'm a spiritual person. You have to have, you have to know what you're placing your faith in. That's why sound doctrine, that's why doctrine is important. People among you, which in his language is talking about fellow believers here. That's my point. His own language is explicit. But Dr. Brown, that's my point. You would not use the among you in order to say what you just said. You would just simply say, if any of you, that's the whole point. No, James doesn't talk like that to them. Which is why I asked you, how does James, how would they say it? That's where he says any among you. So that's when he says the exact same thing that he said James wouldn't say. Well, how would you say it? Dr. Brown or anyone else? How would you, and this is what I'm asking, moderators help me out if someone in the chat has answered the question. The question is, how would you say that? The question on the floor today, ladies and gentlemen, how would you who disagree with me, how would you say? How would James write or anyone else write? Anyone that's not a believer, that's amongst the believers. How would they say that? And notice he calls that person a sinner. How would you say it? This is where he stuck on this. I show you two other verses, only seven verses before this. And it's the same thing. And it's the same thing. Is any among you in trouble? So he's not talking to believers there? He's talking to believers about those among them. Who is he talking, who are among them? Believers among them or nonbelievers among them? Because Dr. Brown, here's the point. Is he talking about, now you would probably take this as a physical healing. I take this as more spiritual. The reason why, because if it's physical, then this doesn't work 100% because we know of people that have, we prayed for and didn't get healed. So the prayer of the righteous. Even praying in faith. Even praying in faith. The prayer offered in faith will make the sick personal. It's explicit. I wrote my doctorate dissertation on healing. If you wanna fight me on healing, that's a whole lot of debates, but I would not recommend, but with all respect, buddy, I wouldn't recommend you go there. Well, that was a bit air again. I wrote my doctorate dissertation on that, buddy. Well, first of all, it doesn't mean that you're right, number one. But two, I thought it was in something else. But that's fine, maybe you did. I'm not saying he's lying or anything like that. But I don't care if you wrote it in your doctorate dissertation in that or not. Because when you write your doctorate dissertation, someone's not gonna say, you know what, I disagree, I disagree, I disagree. I believe in this. I believe opposite of you, so I'll give you an F. That's not how that works. They wanna see where you competent in how you explain it, in your research and so forth. So that part doesn't matter that you wrote a doctorate dissertation in it. And at some point in time, I will too. That is ultimately my goal is to actually get my doctorate. Now, how long it's gonna be? Might be 85 years old when it happens. But when I write mine, does that mean you have to agree with me or anyone else? No, type of dissertation, not the be all the end all. You know what, we don't find a doctoral dissertation. Guess one place where we don't find a doctoral dissertation in the Bible. So it doesn't really matter. Answer the question. And if you wrote your doctoral dissertation on healing and on that particular passage, how come you couldn't answer the question in Greek? What he did do was when I was dealing with him on the Greek, he said, well, there are other Greek scholars, you're not a Greek scholar, let me default to other Greek scholars who are not here. Well, they're not here, I'm talking to you, not them. And so we go, we did this, we went and looked at these other Greek scholars, what they said about John 10, 28, and they didn't answer it, the exact same thing. They said that it's a condition. It's stating that if you must be a sheep in order for this passage to be relevant and you have to stay a sheep. So this is what I also did because of CG's, it got me to thinking. It got me to thinking, I did some, listen, when CG said this, I did, it got me to thinking, so I did some thinking and after doing some intense thunkin', I wanna pull up this word among you. And I want you guys to see something. Here we've got a few passages pulled up. Now we can go through all this and they can fluctuate, but now, but listen to this. By the way, when I ask that question, one second, when I ask that question, how would you say any amongst the brethren? How would if you're speaking to Christian about those amongst you, how would you say it? Well, someone can turn around and say, well, Corey, how would you say if you're speaking to Christians and Christians only? That's a good question, because guess what the Greek does? There's a way in Greek to make sure that you're talking about them specifically, the brethren specifically, but act six, three. Is it, yeah, therefore brethren select from among you seven men of good reputation, full of the spirit. Now, is he saying pick seven people, not you, but somebody around you? Because in the English it says among you. Think about that. What if you wanna say I want you to pick from you, from amongst you? And I can understand how the English can be a little bit, you know, hard to understand, but if you want to say I'm talking about you, there are 10 little Christians right here and I want you to pick from you 10 Christians, not from amongst you outside of you, but within you. Is there a way to say it? Someone says that you would use the same Greek words. What you would use is these two Greek letters, this Greek word, ek, why do we know so? In act six, three, knows what it says. And let me highlight this on the screen. If any among you, I'm sorry, let me move this up so you guys can see. If any among you, here it is. Let's make this bigger. No, go on it. There it is. Let me highlight that and make it bigger. Do you all see this on the screen? The ek over here in this, that ek, that means from or out of. So any out of you, any from you, whereas look at acts 1326, this is the passage that CG brought up. Act 16, I mean, 1326, brethren, sons of Abraham's family and those among you who fear God. So we have, he's speaking about the Jews and then those amongst the Jews. How does he say it amongst the Jews? 1326, oh, that's how he says it. Ain't who men. Same way that we just set it up up there. Ain't who men. So one way to say it is Ain't who men, meaning amongst you, could it ever refer to, could it ever refer to outside of you or speaking of you? It possibly could, but definitively to say to speaking of you, definitely talking about you is to use the word ek out of or from. So that's how you would say this. So I was hoping, had he come back and said, well, how would you say it to make sure I would have said that? Now he would say, yeah, but we gotta consult another Greek scholar, because you're not a Greek scholar, which is fine, which is fine. He should have brought a Greek scholar with him then, if he wanted, if he wanted to. But now I wanna pull up some passages. Here we have acts 2722. Yet now I urge you to keep up your courage for there will be no loss of life among you, but only of the ship. So this is Paul speaking when they are in this ship and says, none of us are gonna be lost. Well, how do we know he's speaking of among you? Because the same word is used here in the Greek, among you, make that a little bit bigger so you all can see, among you, 22, where is it, here it is, among you, let me highlight this. So here he's speaking of among you, right? Well, how do we know he's speaking of just them or someone outside of them? Because if we go over to the right, over here we have that very same Greek word, ek. Let me make it bigger so you all can see. There it is, ek, hemon, out of, from, of the midst of. But then, e'en humen, first Corinthians 318, let no man deceive himself if any man among you thinks he is wise. So now he's speaking, because obviously all of you aren't, isn't who he's talking about. So if any of you amongst you in this case, and what does he use, e'en humen. So in this case, what he's speaking about is salvation if any amongst you. If I want to say if any of you, I could just, it's easy to say if any of you, I can take the e'en out. Are you with me? Now the whole point of this, the whole point that why we bring this up, is this started off because he wanted to move away from this John 10, 28. And again, I'm still waiting for someone to come back and say your Greek interpretation of John 10, 28 falls flat. He uses the most emphatic way in a double negation of a subjunctive to state that the possibility is negated even in the future. Amen? Now, a couple of folks have some questions. By the way, thank you, mystery man for the super chat as well as scatterbrained79. Haven't seen you in a minute, or at least I haven't noticed you in chat, maybe you have been there. Thank you for the super chat as well as Barry Edmonds. Thank you and thank you for the kind words as well. Thank you. What is BHU? Barry, what do I do to sound for a semester of BHU? What is BHU? You have to tell me what BHU. I don't know what that is. Rodney Piper says, Corey, you keep using the excuse for 519, but I keep telling you that you're wrong. Well, first of all, I don't know that you keep telling me. I don't know that you keep telling me. I'm sorry, I didn't know you keep telling me this, but I keep telling you that you're wrong, but you won't listen. It's talking about believers. A person cannot go back to anywhere they've ever been. Ah, okay, well, pardon me for not ever listening to you. Let's go back to this passage before. Alrighty, let's go back, sir. Mr. Roddy, Mr. Roddy Roddy Piper from WWF fame, or I guess WWE now, let's look at the passage. Ladies and gentlemen, tell me if I am correct in saying this. Roddy Piper, are you still there? Let me know if you're still there so I can, matter of fact, it doesn't matter. Cause someone else might say the same thing. He says you cannot bring someone back from where they turned from. Is that possible? Well, first of all, that's not even applicable in this case. What, Mr. Piper, are they turning away from? So I'll ask the rest of my smart Christian brothers and sisters, according to this passage, we are doing an observation. Oh, Bald Head University, all right, Barry, listen. It's one of those things you have to be born in. It's a lifestyle. We don't want people just paying to get in.  So that's what he's asking PhDs. I'm sorry, guys, but use your skills in biblical observation. It's the very basic that we've been talking about lately. What does he say you are straying away from and you will turn them back to? Does anyone see this? What are you straying away? Thank you, Wayne, from The Truth. Roddy, are you still here? I need to know if Roddy, Roddy, if Roddy, okay. Is it possible, Roddy? Is it possible, my brother, that a person can hear the truth and stray away from the truth? I just want that. The tendency is going to be right now. Let me move away from that.  And so here's your opportunity to correct me before all the people. Is it possible for someone to walk away, have the truth presented before them, and walk away? See, that's what I'm talking about. You said, who was the truth? I asked you, yes or no question, sir. This is where you get to prove your point, but we got to be on the same plane. I'm here, I don't need you over here or over there. Can a person hear the truth and walk away from the truth? We do it every day. You tell, it's not even about salvation. You can tell somebody the truth, they can hear it. Hmm, I think you're right. But then you know it now, I don't think so after all. How many folks believe something about a particular political party? And then walked away or they thought this or thought that. Some of you people thought that that person was the right person. One of your friends says, no girl, he's not it, he's this, he's that. They told you the truth. You thought about it, you considered it, but then he bought something for you or one of these ladies, you thought she was it and they said, no, listen, she ain't no good. She ain't, I promise you, she's Jezebel, she's this, she's that. And you said, you know, you're right, you're right. And then she bats those eyes and throws a couple of switches on you and then you walked away from the truth. Come back, come back to the light, Caroline. So it's possible, I'll help you out, Roddy. It's possible for a person. See this one, so someone is walking away from the truth. The truth is a person. Is that what that passage says? I'm gonna help you out, Roddy. Does this say that this truth is a person? No, the truth in this case, Roddy, is the truth of the gospel, the truth of the gospel. How do we know? Because if we keep reading, if we go back to where Dr. Brown would have us go to in James 513, where we left off at is, let's keep reading. And therefore confess your sins to one another and pray for one another so that you might be healed. The effective prayer of the righteous man can accomplish much, Elijah was a man with a nature like ours and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain and it did not rain. Then he prayed again in the sky, poured rain and the earth produces fruit. My brother, if anyone amongst you strays from the truth, he's talking about the truth of the gospel. He's talking about all of James 5, as a matter of fact. Matter of fact, James, period. So if you come back and say, walking away from Jesus, what fine, the truth of Jesus, I'll buy that. The fact of the matter is, anybody can walk away from the truth and lead. I changed the context. Tell me how, how did I change the context? What is the context that he's speaking of here? Ladies and gentlemen, help a bald head brother out. I would love to know. Matter of fact, let's just do this. Let's just do this. Let's just read all of James 5. How about that? How about that? Let's just read all of James 5. Come now, you rich weep and how for your miseries, which are concerning, which are coming upon you. Your riches have rotted and your garments have become moth-eaten.  It is in the last days that you have stored up yourself treasure. Behold, the pay of the laborers who mold your fields and which has been withheld by you, cries out against you. And the outcry of those who did the harvesting has reached the ears of the Lord of Saviour. You have lived luxuriously on the earth and led a life of want and pleasure. You have faddened your hearts in a day of slaughter.  Therefore be patient, brethren, until the coming of the Lord, the farmer waits for the precious produce of the soil, being patient about it until it gets the early and late rain. You too be patient, strengthen your heart, for the coming of the Lord is near. Do not complain, brethren, against one another so that you yourselves may not be judged. But behold, the judge is coming right at the door. As an example, brethren are suffering and patience. I'm sorry, brethren of suffering and patience. Take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. We count those blessed who endure it. You have heard of the endurance of Job and have seen the outcome of the Lord's dealing that the Lord is full of compassion and merciful. But above all, my brethren, do not swear either by heaven or by earth with any other oath, but your yes is to be yes and your no so that you may not fall under judgment. What is he talking about? One, he's comforting them. Just be patient. He's also warning those who are not saved. Your time is coming. You better get right. So as we move forward, I want you to tell me, sir, how am I taking things out of context? Matter of fact, how does it even relate to physical healing? It doesn't. He's speaking in terms of one that's coming judgment and of salvation. So therefore, tell me that's your misunderstanding, Corey. It's not talking about Walkway. And so that's fine. Nothing that I say to you to some people, nothing that I say to some people is going to change them. All I do know is I missed where what Dr. Brown walked himself into a circle, found out quickly and moved away from as quickly as he could. By the way, Steve, thank you for the super sticker. Thank you so much. So it's possible to know the truth. By the way, by the way, we've got some passages. Am I taking this out of context where he says, I will put my spirit within you and cause you to walk in my statues and you will be careful to observe my ordinances. Am I taking this out of context also? He says, I will give them one heart and one way that they may fear me always for their own good and for the good of their children after them, I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from. And it says that they will not turn away from me. He says that the spirit in them, they won't turn away from me. I won't turn away from them. Am I taking that out of context? Am I taking John 10 out of context where he says a true sheep asking this question, Roddy, are you a true sheep? Answer the question.  If you are a true sheep, will you ever walk away? If you're a true sheep, will you ever walk towards any other truth? Would you walk towards any other stranger? Is it possible for you to walk towards any other stranger? Is it possible for a sheep to go after anything that is strange, that is foreign, that is not biblical? Is that possible? Well, according to Jesus, Jesus says a stranger, they simply will not follow. They will never, ever, ever, ever, ever. No, not ever, ever, ever, Mr. Ever follow him. But he says what we will do, we will flee from him. Why? Because they do not know the voice of a stranger. Jesus himself is describing a sheep and he says a sheep will follow him. They will hear him. They will never follow after anyone. Jesus said that. He didn't put a condition. He just says if you are a sheep, by the way, how did you get to be a sheep? He gave him to you. Righty says, why not show my response of your misunderstanding? Yeah, repeat it. I don't listen. There's 500 folks or 450 folks in the chat. I don't see every comment. So, right here, I'm not, if you gave him a response, I want to be fair to you, righty. If you gave a response, then I want to put it out. Matter of fact, I can just type, I can type your name back in and let's see your response. Your response is, yeah, what you just said makes no sense. He says that's your misunderstanding, Corey. It's not talking, walking away physically.  Will we ever stray away from? Or will we keep following? Aren't we going to keep following? So, the only way to do that is through Christ Jesus. Now, if that's the case, if what you just said, righty, is the only way to do that through Christ Jesus, which by the way, I agree with you. The only way to keep walking and following him is through Christ Jesus. What did Jesus just say? He said, you will keep doing that. Why would you keep doing that? What we covered in Ezekiel, why would a sheep keep following? Because a sheep is going to have the spirit in his heart. Like Ezekiel 36, 27 says, put my spirit within you and cause you to walk. Righty, pay attention. If he says he puts the spirit in your heart and cause you to walk in his statutes, won't you walk in his statutes? Won't you be careful to observe his ordinances? If he says that when he puts the spirit in you, won't, will you ever stray away or walk away or turn away? He says you will never turn away, nor will he ever turn away from you. So, when we get to John 10, it's clear what a sheep will do. And if someone says, well, that's only referring to Israel, to the Jewish sheep. Okay, fine. So, Jesus makes a statement. I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own no meat. Look what he says, even as the father knows me and I know the father and I lay down my life for the sheep. That's us. Look what he says. I have other sheep. That's us Gentiles sheep, which are not of this fold. I must bring them. So, what is he going to do? He will bring them also. And what did he say? They will hear, we not possibly, but we will hear his voice and we'll become one flock with one shepherd. So, everything that he describes of a sheep is going to be us. Then notice what he describes of a sheep and I'm still chest champ, monkey moves, seafers, guys. This is still the undefeated text. I don't care what documentary they have. We'll deal with the documentary on next week.  I don't care what early church father may have said this or said that or whatever again. These folks thought that, a lot of them thought that Jesus was 50. So, I'm going to believe you. Some of these folks thought that Jesus was coming back right now. I'm going to believe, no, I'm going to believe the text. Some of these guys had a modalistic view of Jesus. Some of them did. Some of them thought that Jesus was not human. Some of them thought that he was only human and the spirit came upon him and he then became man and God. And so, he says, my sheep, hear my voice. What do sheep do? Hear his voice, like he's been saying. And I know them and they, what? They follow me. They follow me. And he says, I give them eternal life and they will never, who may I go, who may, here it is, who may I belong to, they will never perish. And a double negation of a subjunctive, ladies and gentlemen, in the Greek text, means it is impossible. There's no possibility. Hence the word impossible for it to happen, even in the future. Now, someone says, stop debating people who don't understand. The reason why you do this is because, and y'all don't, you all may not know this, but there are people either in the chats or previously that have listened. And you know what? That makes sense, Cory. It has actually changed them. It has actually changed them. And then when we work this and follow this out and there's a reason why the writer of Hebrews says, you have need of your confidence in this last day. Things are going to be happening. And so you need to have people. You need to be aware. You need to know that God is there. Remember, Jesus is with us in the boat. Jesus is with us in the boat. And what do we do? Should we be concerned? Should we worry? No. He's in the boat. Why do you fear? As Jesus said to them, O ye of little faith, but not for us. We do have faith. Our faith does not decide to become a sheep.  You're not, you don't have the ability to shepherd yourself. This is a work of the Lord, John 3. Jesus says, unless you are born from above, you can't see the kingdom of heaven. How are you born from above? How are you born again? That's the work of God. According to 1 Peter 1 3, he says that he caused us to be born again. There's no if ands buts about it. Little light says, and thank you for super chat. He says Peter denied Christ during his time of tribulation three times. Is that not showing not a showing of unbelief? How about when Peter drowns from doubt and little faith? People among us can walk away from the faith based on fear and doubt if tested. Here's answer there. That's a good question. Now we cover that on what day was this? We were talking about, oh, I know on Easter Sunday. We talked about this. We brought up that something that Paul said, that Jesus says, let's go to, let's pull up Mark. Give me one second. What is it? Let me think. Let me pull this up. Hold on one second. If I can remember the exact passage. It's in Mark. I think it's Mark. I think it's Mark 14. Let's see. I think. No, it's not. Hold on. Give me one second. Let me find this passage because that's a good question. I want to give the actual, the right answer. Matter of fact, I know how to find it. I know how to find it. There we go. And here it is. Here it is. Luke 22. Look what he says. Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded permission to sift you like wheat. That was what he says. But I have prayed for you that your faith, ah, ladies and gentlemen, thank you little light because you helped my point. But I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Let's put up a little like said, though. Wait a second. Peter walked away. Peter, it seems like Peter's faith failed. Unbelief. Right? That's what it looks like. Let's go back to the text, though. Jesus says, I pray that your faith does not fail. And when you, and when once you have been turned or when you return, this word right here, excuse me, epistrate sauce, epistrate sauce, when you turn again or when you, or some version might say when you return, strengthen your brothers. What did Jesus just tell us, ladies and gentlemen? Excuse me. I prayed for you. Satan has a desire to sift you like wheat. Jesus did not come back and say, but I'm going to stop him. I'm not going to let Satan have anything to do with you. Matter of fact, I'm going to hold Satan back. He won't. No, no, no, no, no. No, that's going to happen. Nope. That's not what he says. He says, I prayed for you that your faith will not fail. Question. Ladies and, here's my question. Ladies and gentlemen, did his faith fail? Did Peter's faith fail? Now I know it looked like it. I know what it looked like, but did Peter's faith fail? No, it did not. It did not. Jesus just told him. Matter of fact, even when he says, I pray that you fail and when you return. And so what does he say? I ain't going nowhere. I ain't going. I'm not going nowhere. Okay. Jesus and by the way, I cover this in, we're covering parables.  It's free. So go check it out. I covered, we're talking about figures of speech and we're talking about parables. And one of the parables I covered was Jesus's second parable. The first parable that he gave was Luke eight. I'm sorry. You have the parable of the solar. The second one he gave was a parable of the wheat and tares. And in it, I covered something that is interesting of note. He, he goes on and explains the parable. And in that particular parable, he doesn't call us wheat. As he explains the parable, he calls, he says the wheat and tear grow up. But then when he gives the explanation, he doesn't call us wheat. What does he call us? He calls us the good seed that was sown. That's interesting. He goes and describes who the tears are. He goes and describes who sold the bad seed. I mean, who sold the tears. He describes who the tears are. He describes who sold the good seed. He describes who the reapers are and what's going to happen. And then he describes who the seed, the good seed sown. But he never describes who the wheat is. Why? Because if you have been sown as good seed, what are you going to be? You are going to be wheat. Know if, ends, busts, or bout it. The only thing left is that when it's grown up, we're going to take away the tears and the wheat. The tears are going to look like wheat. The tears are going to seem like wheat. And if even if you can't identify the wheat, if you pull them up, you're going to inadvertently tear apart the wheat. So you leave it. He said, leave the tears there when they get up and they're fully matured. You can tell that there's between the matured wheat and the tears. They look differently. Whereas one point, they did not.  No, we're not the soil. Well, or in the other parable, the soil is our heart. So in this parable, he's saying that in this, which is why they asked, because after that, he says some other parable, I'm sorry, he explains the parable after he says some other parables. I'm like, wait a second, wait a second, maybe we get these other parables, but this parable is similar to the first parable. And so he says, well, in this parable, now I'm speaking of the seed that's sown. So therefore it's possible, it's possible for you to display something momentarily that looks like a lack of faith. It's even possible to feel like, hey, I may have, I'm far away. I don't, I'm in a place I don't recognize.  Have you ever felt like I'm not saved? Whoa, who is me? Kill me now. I'm so far off. I'm a bad Christian. Don't we all feel that way? Yeah, as a matter of fact, Paul said that we disparate even of life itself. Now, Paul didn't doubt it, salvation was part of like, man, this is too rough. All of us at some point in time have had an occasion to where we like, man, you question yourself. That's a good thing. Ladies and gentlemen, that is a good thing because only us sheep question if we're sheep. Goats don't question if they're sheep. Wolves don't question if they're sheep. Ladies and gentlemen, she finally made it. Praise God. Y'all go ahead and say hi. Hello. Welcome back. Charmé88. She made it. So, wolves don't question if they're sheep, nor do goats. Sheep do. Sheep should. Man, I don't, I wasn't very sheepish today. Yeah, man. There were some days where I just did not do well, feel well. Lord, help me, and he will. Why will he do so? What's causing you to feel not so sheepish? Emilio put it right. Us sheepish. What causes us sheepish to not feel like sheepish is today? Oh, the Holy Spirit, that very same Holy Spirit that he said he'll give us and cause us to walk. Now, do sheep walk in a straight line behind the shepherd? No, they do not. No, they do not. Is it possible for a sheep to kind of get off track? Sure. What happens with that sheep? He comes and get us. He will never leave us out by ourselves. That's the, that's the help. That's the hope. That's the promise of him. That's why he says I won't turn away from you and you won't turn away from me.  We are here together. And that's a good thing. Hey, man, I like that. I like that. Sheep, it ain't easy. Sheep, it ain't easy. It ain't. It ain't. Thanks, man. And how good is it that we got a shepherd that knows that sheep ain't easy, but we got a shepherd that keeps us as sheep and what we're going to do. We get a, I had the, do I have that anywhere? I wonder do I have that still somewhere about that, about the sheep? Let me see if I can find that somewhere about the sheep that got out of the pen and jumped back into the pen. Do I still have that? I think that was, I don't have it. I don't know where it is. But I think that was an act, that was a good, account of us. The man brings the sheep out of the pen. I'm out of the, out of the ditch. And as he's getting up, what does the sheep do? Run back, run in a circle, run jumps right back into the ditch. That's us. That's us. And again, I think we forget this, guys. I think we forget this.    I won't know. No, no, no. I've got a word for you.  Treat that. You can be saved. And


So you just want to know some basic code to control your animations. Not a problem. For this tutorial I've created some demo code to help you understand how this works. I'm just going to show you how to use it in this video, but in the next video I'll explain line by line exactly how it really works. That being said, this is not a substitute for a full animation system. Alright. Once you have downloaded the scripts, drag them into your project, and then drag both of them into your character. Up here under ref, select your character's animator, and under actions, tell it how many animations you want your character to have.  So idle, walk, and one random attack. Make sure that these names are exactly the same as the ones in the controller. Then for each animation ask yourself, can you jump or attack in the middle of this animation? If you can, set neutral to true, otherwise set it to false. Tell Unity how many frames this animation is supposed to last. Then decide what animation should come after this one is over. If this is a loop in animation, like idle or walking, set it to negative one. If you type zero after this animation is over, it'll go to idle. If you type one, it would transition to run-in instead, usually after you attack it transitions to idle. So we're going to set this one to zero. Finally, how fast does it transition to the next animation? Zero means no transition at all, and one means very slow transition. Once you have done that, in the inspector, drag this script into the tutorial example and open it up. Now the point of this whole script is to control the Y value in our animation controller. You may recall that the Y value affects walking forwards and backwards in our blend tree. At the top, we create a variable to represent Y, and at the end, we set Y to that value. So all this basically says is if the up arrow is pressed, the Y value should go up to 1. When the up arrow is released, the Y value should go down to zero. And if you play the game and press the up arrow key, you'll notice that's exactly what happens. Press the 1 when you hold it down, and it goes to zero when you let it go. If you change this to negative 1, we would see you're walking backwards instead of forwards. This just references the animations you set up here. This sets them up at the start, and this just tells our animations to play. Now, I know the rest of this tree may look a little confusing, but here's what's really happening. At the beginning, it checks if the current frame is neutral. If you are in a neutral animation like idle or walking, then check if the player has pressed the Y or up arrow keys. If the player pressed Y, then transition to animation 2 at a speed of 0.4. Animation 2, by the way, is up smash. Zero is idle, and 1 is walking. If you are pressing the up arrow, transition to the walking animation at a speed of 0.3, and if you aren't pressing anything, transition to the idle animation at a speed of 0.4. And that's really it. If you just layer this on top of whatever movement engine you have, you're in a pretty good spot to finish a basic top-down RPG. Of course, instead of Y and up arrow, you would map these buttons to a proper input manager, but that is for another tutorial. Anyway, hope that helps. If you enjoyed this video, please don't forget to like, subscribe, ring that bell, help you have a fantastic day, and I'll see you around.


Live from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE covering Oracle Modern Customer Experience 2017, brought to you by Oracle. Okay, welcome back everyone. We're live here at the Mandalay Bay Convention Center for the Oracle Modern Customer Experience Conference. This is theCUBE's special coverage. I'm John Furrier, join my co-host, Peter Burris, head of research at wikibon.com. Our next guest is Roland Smart, vice president of social and community at Oracle and also the author of the Agile Marketer book, which we'll get into in a minute. We'll hold it up so you can make sure you get, it's also available on audio books. You can hold it up, go ahead. The Agile Marketer, turning customer experiences into your competitive advantage. Roland, welcome to theCUBE. Good to see you. Thanks so much for the invite. Great to have that book there because it sets the table for what we want to talk about, which is we love cloud. We've been loving DevOps since the cloud hit the scene years and years ago, but now that's going mainstream, it's going into marketing. You're seeing marketing cloud. It really opens up this notion of Agile and changing things, modern platforms, the replatforming we heard Mark heard on the keynote, we've heard our, through our interviewings. There's a replatforming going on in the enterprise across the board. And so it's super exciting. I know that you're also doing some cool stuff, modernization inside Oracle. It's deploying Oracle Cloud for Oracle. It's pretty comprehensive. So let's start there. What's your role at Oracle? It's kind of broad social and community, which is cutting edge and being operationalized in real time. What are you working on? Yeah, so I've worn a couple different hats in my tenure at Oracle. I've been with the company for about four years. I was one of those marketers who came into the company through an acquisition of a social technology company. And so I ended up landing in the corporate marketing group. And I've, as I said, done a couple of different things. I've led the Oracle Technology Network for a while. I was involved in establishing and upgrading our corporate social programs. Right now, I'm really, really focused on some modernization initiatives. And those are very connected to our inbound marketing practice. So that means taking some of these amazing solutions that are part of the Oracle Marketing Cloud and implementing them for the corporate marketing group. The ones that are really core to where my focus are, because it's an inbound marketing focus, it's Compendium, which is our content publishing platform. Of course, we also integrate that with Aliqua for subscription. And there are other adjacent technologies that we're going to use to improve the service, things like Maximizer, which will allow us to iterate and do testing and improve the service over time. And of course, integrating it to all the other major parts of the corporate marketing stack, which includes a DMP and a customer experience database and all the rest. So here at the show, you're seeing marketing cloud kind of being broader defined because it's the customer on a digital life cycle. No analog. I mean, from inception to the moment of truth, the experience is digital. It changes things a bit. What is your observation that you could point to as you look at these changes that are going on? Tweaks here, radical changes there. What's the big shift? What's the digital value in that digital journey of a customer when it comes to marketing? I mean, it seems that marketing is involved in all touch points. It is. I mean, I think you're talking a little bit about the fact that digital transformation is kind of dominating the marketer's consciousness at the moment, right? We're very, very focused on really transitioning the experiences that we deliver and to engage with customers into a digital environment. And that means that there's two sides of that. Of course, there's the technology side, but there's also the practices side. I think that a lot of the conversation to date has really been dominated by just incredible proliferation of marketing technology. The MarTech stack, right, is growing at an incredible pace. One of the things that I see, for example, is that- It's almost daunting, it's huge. It is. It's growing in churner. And there's still much more proliferation in the MarTech space than there is consolidation, even with companies like Oracle acquiring just an incredible number of companies in a relatively short period of time. We've built this amazing stack, but still there's a lot of venture dollars that are still chasing unmet needs, right? There are niches that aren't being met. And that says something about the overall maturity of the marketing stack, right? So we're still fairly early days in that process. And the technology, what's interesting is that the technology piece, in some ways, is actually easier than the process change and the culture change that is associated with actually trying to develop a strong competency when it comes to these digital channels. So I think of there's an agile transformation that needs to take place as the digital transformation takes place. And that is really focused on that cultural change and the way that we work so that we can get the most value out of these digital channels. One of the things that I would just add about an agile transformation though is that I think it is a little bit broader than just digital transformation in the sense that you can apply agile to analog channels as well. It's more of an approach or a philosophy, a way of working that happens to be the best practice when it comes to digital platforms, right? Because agile came out of the software development world. Agile's not new. Agile really started over 15 years ago when the agile manifesto was written by some very, very smart software developers. In the last 15 years, it's become the dominant approach to software development. But beyond that, product management has adopted it. And it's a big part of what has led to the empowerment of product management leaders, I think is the most influential leader at the most influential or innovative companies in the world, right? So I think marketers have an opportunity to take a page from that book as of course marketers are managing more software than ever before, right? And as we transition to a world in which we're moving away from this campaign oriented mindset where there's a campaign that has a beginning and middle and an end and more towards a product or program oriented mindset where there's an ongoing service. It's an always on environment. It's an always on environment where we need to continually iterate and evolve that experience. And I think that is the key. I mean, your book held up called the Agile Marketer. It really does make sense. And I truly believe this, and people who know me, I always rant on this, but I believe that agile and these principles that are well founded in practice and certainly in the software development side are moving into data and apps and ultimately content and marketing and all the stuff that's in the platform because it's the same trajectory. It's the same concepts. You're doing things that require speed. There's a user component, app component. This technology involves, there's a lot of moving parts, but that's all threading together. Is that what the book is touching on? Talk about the book. Yeah, it is. I mean, so we touched on some of the reasons why marketers are coming to Agile. One of them is just kind of a no brain or we're managing more software than ever before, right? I think, I don't think anybody's going to argue about that. I think there are some second order things, though, that you touched on with your comments there that are worth calling out. So marketers, well, first off, Agile is really an approach or a philosophy which is predicated on this idea that we're working in context where it's very difficult to predict the future. There's a lot of uncertainty. There's a lot of disruption. So the traditional methods that we've used, waterfall, which is really waterfall is based on our ability to predict the future, right? Create a perfect strategy that's going to unfold over a period of time, but I would challenge you to talk to any marketer here and ask them what marketing plan that they've developed that survived implementation more than three months, right? Marketers are working in this environment with this tremendous amount of change. So... Well, Peter and I were talking about the intro about the role of data. And I'll give you a case in point is that when it's the Agile to be fast and be, I won't say command and control, but to use that metaphor is the CEO or business leader or even someone in the trenches, a hero or an innovator says, wow, there's an opportunity to move the needle, innovate or whatever they see. And cause some data insight, services insight and they go, wow, that changes everything. Deploy X, Y and Z or tweak this. Let's do something small, validate if we're heading in the right direction quickly. And then if we get a signal that says, hey, there's something that's working here, we'll invest more and iterate. And it really removes waste from the process of developing marketing programs, right? Well, this is the thing, I think you're onto something with this. This is what we talk about in the cloud words. In cloud, we hear things like standing up servers. Okay, horizontally scalable. In marketing, it's stand up that campaign now, which you might have an hour notice. Imagine rolling up and standing up a multi-multi-geography campaign in an hour. That should be doable. So, absolutely and I think, so going back to some of those second order things, one of the things that marketers are challenged to do is if we want to stand up a campaign, it's not just that the marketer's world is changing more quickly, right? Product management adopted agile because their world is moving very quickly. So, if you have a situation where product management is deploying something on a monthly basis or even on a daily basis, right? Marketing needs to work at that same pace. And so, agile can be a collaboration layer where because they speak the same language and share a similar process, they can stay in sync. When you do that, you can do, you can deliver experiences that kind of blur the boundary between what I would call traditional marketing and what we think of as product, right? This is a really interesting space and I would say one of the most fun spaces where I've ever had the opportunity to work is when you can blur that boundary. And so, having agile means not just that we can deploy, you know, our own programs quickly and test them quickly and validate that we're heading in the right direction, but it means that we can do that in close collaboration with our product management peers. And really, that's where you get to incredible value. Well, one of the reasons why it's diffused into product management as aggressively as it has is because increasingly the products are being rendered as services that have significant digital components to them. You mentioned the idea of philosophy and it's kind of an interesting case to show how the agile philosophy has hopped from software development into products is now in the market. My observation, I want to test this with you and see if you have anything to add, is that the agile philosophy is founded on three core principles. One is that you have to be empirical. Two is that you have to be iterative. And three is that you have to be opportunistic. You can add others like you got to be people focused and you got to recognize time bound, et cetera, and all those types of things, but as you look at marketing, is marketing starting to adopt that notion of you got to be empirical?  You can't hold on to your babies, so to speak. Is that kind of what's at the base of some of those new philosophical changes? Are you seeing some other things as well? Yeah, so I mean, I think you've definitely touched on some of the drivers. I think that they're something that I would recommend people who, marketers who are interested in an agile should check out a document called the Agile Marketing Manifesto which interprets the Agile Manifesto for marketers. And like the Agile Manifesto, it has a set of values and a set of underlying principles. And the three things that you called out relate pretty tightly to some of the values that are baked into the Agile Manifesto and the Agile Marketing Manifesto. I think, one of the central ideas is that because we can't predict the future, we need to do, or we're operating in sort of a chaotic domain where we're in this domain with this unknown unknowns. We don't really know how people are going to react. We can't predict that well. And so we need to get into this different modality or mindset where we say, you know what? Instead of trying to build a perfect strategy, we're just going to do lots of small things. We're going to test things. We're going to validate that we're heading in the right direction or not. Test empirical. Yeah, that's all about the testing and validation with empirical data. The iterative. And then you just keep iterating on that and zeroing in on product market fit or the value that the program is. The option seems best, which is the opportunistic. And there are others as well, but are marketers having a hard time doing that? Or are do you experience this? Yeah, well it's a pretty significant change. Yeah, it's a very significant change, right? Most marketers grew up with or started their career with Waterfall. And Waterfall is still very dominant. So if you were to look, for example, what is the, in the context of, or in the parlance of crossing the chasm, where are we with agile marketing, right? I think we crossed that. We're, I think we're at a place where we see early adopters who are out there really proving value. But the pragmatists in the marketplace, the people who adopt something because they're getting on the bandwagon, because their peers are doing it, it's not there yet. It's on their radar, but it's not there yet. What I see happening is that there's, we're just at the beginning of starting an ecosystem that is going to support taking agile more mainstream. So what I mean is, if you look at, for example, the biggest consulting, management consulting firms, the McKinsey's, the Bans, right? They are now building out agile transformation practices that are coupled to their digital transformation practice, right, that already exists and has existed for a while. If you look at the companies out there that do certification and training, right? Folks who will come into your organization and train you on Scrum or Kanban, the two most popular agile methods, they have traditionally been focused on engineers and product managers, right? They are now starting to build offerings for business-oriented folks. We're starting to see agile sessions and tracks at conferences like this one. Obviously, people like me are writing books and there are more books coming to market. These are the signals that marketers, this is getting on marketers' radar and that they're transitioning. I think where you see the most traction for agile, there are certain silos within the marketing function where you see more traction with it.   Because the data's available. Marketing automation being a really big one, right? Because fundamentally it's about testing and validation and these programs are always running. So you're constantly evaluating the performance of messages that you're sending out and tweaking them and optimizing them, right? Solutions like the ones, we have a solution in the Oracle Marketing called Maximizer, which is just, it is fundamentally an enabler, an enabling technology to allow a marketer to be agile, right? We can do things in the context of our publishing platform. We can show multivariant, we can run multivariant tests and show them to users and quickly validate what's working and what's not. And so that's a very different way of working than I think marketers have traditionally adopted and we talked already about the fact that just bringing in the technology is actually, I think, easier than trying to drive the cultural change. The cultural change is really, really hard and we're still at the beginning of that process, I think. And your final thoughts, I want to get you in the final question here on this evolution, the progress bar, if you will, crossing the chasm. This is a sea change, so I think a lot of people, we live in the bubble in Silicon Valley, but in the middle of the industry, in the middle of America, they're still doing waterfall, which they need, in my opinion, need to move to agile, but because of the benefits of having a platform and enabling technologies and products, because apps is where the action is, we would agree. What is your big takeaway from this year in terms of this show and the impact of this platform, this enabling concepts that you guys are pushing forward? What's the most important thing folks shouldn't understand about agile, social platform, modern customer experience? We talked a minute ago about the Mar-Tech ecosystem and the fact that overall, the ecosystem is still, there's immaturity for the overall ecosystem, but within that ecosystem, there are some very mature solutions. And I think that particularly for enterprises that are using those more mature solutions, they are now transitioning from this period where they've been very focused on building that technology stack, and they're starting to think about how do we more dramatically make changes the way that we work, so that we can develop a stronger competency in digital. And I think that this connects to, if you were to ask me, connecting this back to modern marketing, at what point can a company sort of say, okay, we've meaningfully positioned ourselves. We're modernized. What is modern? That's a great question. From my perspective, I would connect it back to the role that the CMO plays or the marketing organization plays within the larger company. We talked a little bit about the fact that the product management leader has really been empowered over a long period of time, in large part because they've adopted agile and they are working in a different way. So, they are serving as the steward of innovation. The marketer has this aspiration to really serve as the steward of customer experience. Now, today we're at a place where most marketers we're really in the best position to measure and understand the customer experience. But, we have limited influence when it comes to changing those touchpoints. A lot of those touchpoints aren't under our direct purview. So we need to get that influence. One way to get that influence is to share the process of the people who have control over those things. That means, again, we have agile, we can share project process with project management. We can influence those touchpoints more. That is when the marketer can step up and truly serve as a steward of customer experience. That's when I would say that we've sort of reached the status of a modern era. I think you're on this one. I think the check box immediately is, are you agile? That's a quick acid test, yes or no. I think that's so fundamental. But I think the user experience is really key and you're seeing the platforms become the enabler where the apps are just coming out. You can, it's a tsunami of apps and that's a okay thing but the platform has to be stable. I think there's just an evolution of the role of software from shrink wrap, from downloading on the internet to web 2.0, to mobile, to platform. Yeah, I'd step back even one level before that, John, and say, are you empirical?  Because then it says you're going to go out and get the data, you're going to use the data. Then you can take that to the data. And the data has to be good. Data has to be legit. It has to be good. And then, because if you are, then you can have that, we talked about this earlier, then you can have that conversation with the leader and empower the leader to actually lead change. Data orientation, customer orientation is a really, those are both critical values that are baked in. Absolutely, you have to test your organization on whether or not they're really able to do those things. If they are, then a lot of the other stuff that you're following, you're talking about falls, starts falling a little bit more naturally. Well, Roland, we need to follow up, certainly back in Palo Alto in our studio, this is really, I think, important conversation that's worthy of more dialogue. What is a modern organization in this new era of computing where the expectations of the customers and the users and the consumers are at an all-time high? You're seeing the demand and the need for a platform that's truly enabling innovation and value. Certainly great, great conversation. Thanks for joining us on theCUBE today. Thanks for having me. And sharing the insight as we stay agile, modern here on theCUBE. I'm John Furrier, Peter Wers. We'll be right back with more after this short break.


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Israel will soon respond to Iran's attack. The danger of a large-scale war is increasing. Israel may soon take actions in response to Iran's strike on Israeli military objects. The Wall Street Journal reports citing sources. It is noted that the drone and missile attack launched by Iran on Saturday is the first time Iran has directly attacked Israel from Iranian territory. Israel has conducted hundreds of airstrikes against Iranian targets and its militia allies throughout the Middle East a campaign that Israel rarely acknowledges but has long been an open secret. The airstrike in Syria that prompted the Iranian attack on Israel however hit what Iran said was a diplomatic building and akin to striking Iranian territory. The attack is seen as a potentially rewriting the rules of engagement in Iran and Israel's long-running shadow war. The newspaper does not specify the exact date of response to the attack while its sources say the United States won't join any such offensive by Israel. Washington insists that Israel should not take any action which could lead to further escalation. The New York Times said that officials made no statements after the session of the military cabinet of ministers of Israel on April the 14th. However an official familiar with the course of discussions confirmed that Israel will undoubtedly respond to Iran's attack. The New York Times reported earlier citing sources that Israel's response will be coordinated with allies though not specifying which allies are meant. Israel reacted angrily to the unprecedented strikes while praising its military response. Defense Minister Joav Galant said the attack was thwarted in a way that is unparalleled but added we must be prepared for every scenario. Israel and Iran are long-standing rivals and have been engaged in a shadow war for years. Israel's war on Hamas waged since the militant group attacked Israel on October the 7th has heightened those tensions. Iranian-backed forces in Iraq and Syria have launched attacks aimed at US military positions in those countries and Iran's leadership has warned that attacks by its allies won't stop until Israel's war in Gaza ends but fears of a spiralling regional war spiked further in early April when Iran accused Israel of bombing its diplomatic complex in Syria. Israel has launched a missile attack on Lebanon, Israeli media reported. Israel targeted Lebanese military facilities and Iran linked Hezbollah military groups positions. The attack was in response to Hezbollah's attacks on Israeli territory earlier. Meanwhile, Israeli Defense Forces said Iran has fired drones at cruise missiles on its territory. Forces from Iran, Yemen, Syria, Hezbollah and Hashd al-Shabi militant groups are currently reportedly carrying out massive attacks on Israel using missiles and drones. There are now more than 200 different attack drones and missiles over the air according to the reports. Israel is on high alert and has closed schools and canceled activities due to possible Iranian attack.


What's the name? What's in the name? What does Sky Ting mean? Sky Ting is an homage to our neighborhood. It's a Chinese word that means the room of or the place of the sky. So our first location was in the sky with skylights on the seventh floor. Very like ethereal feeling. And also our methodology is a little bit different. It's based in Katona Yoga, which is, you know, a yoga term. You guys probably don't know. It's a little methodology in New York proper. Our teacher, Navin Machan, developed her own style of yoga that she taught Chloe and I. And it's more based in Taoism and Chinese medicine than anything else. So we didn't want to use a name that was like Christian Chloe Yoga or an Indian name, which is, you know, what most yoga studios are named after, the Indian lineage. So we wanted to pay homage to our teacher and the neighborhood we were in. And it just made sense with our space.


Would we be right to assume that managing things is way easier than managing people? I'm pretty sure the answer is yes. Ernest, Aghye Maangyeboa, an American author said, some people are like eggs. The more you apply heat to them, the harder they become. To hatch them, use gentle heat and to keep them alive, just keep them cool. It doesn't sound straightforward. I know. But here's the thing. It also looks like there's a trick to it. It's like this. When you know just the right amount of heat to apply to eggs, you know when to either hatch them, toughen them, or break them. Guess what? That's how people management works. There are tricks to it and anyone can learn how to manage people effectively. Still according to Ernest, Aghye Maangyeboa, when we understand people, when we understand situations, when we understand what matters, when we understand the whys, the words, the hows, when we understand the trigger of actions we least inflict pain on ourselves and on to others. So in this video, I'll share with you 5 tips to effectively manage people. If you're new here, consider subscribing so that you won't miss other exciting videos like this. 1. Become an effective communicator Generally, building relationships with people requires communication. It is the first place to begin and in managing people as well, it cannot be left out. To be an effective communicator means that you can pass your message across to the other party and adequately able to receive theirs without any form of misinterpretation from both ends. Effective communication is about how you make people feel around you, it is what determines how well people will respond to you. When managing a team or group of employees, be open enough to communicate the latest updates on every ongoing project. Make them feel among the team, nobody wants to be tossed aside or made to feel irrelevant wherever they find themselves. Also, being an effective communicator means to become a better listener. You want to make sure you are attentive, make eye contact, take notes and wait for the other person to finish before you start to talk. It helps both parties understand each other better because you won't have to assume things since you heard them clearly and give them enough attention to express the true intents of your hearts. Being an excellent communicator also means making yourself approachable and accessible. Be the kind of person or boss people can approach easily at any time to air their opinion. Also encourage feedback and listen to other people's suggestions. That you are in a better position than they are doesn't mean that you will always be right or you will know everything better than the rest of the world. So be open to constructive criticism and feedback. Number 2. Learn to separate personal problems with organizational problems. Every relationship will always encounter some rough grounds and frictions. However, when working with people you need to be able to differentiate personal problems from organizational problems. Working with people can be challenging because most times we tend to think that the most important thing is getting the work done so we put the job over others. Do you know what happens when we do that? We flare up at their mistakes and in most cases, take it too personally. The problem with doing this is that you soon begin to mix things up, you begin to attach your feelings to it and it becomes challenging to create a cordial work relationship. Although you might get the work done this way, it will be due to negative pressure not positive and these can eventually wreck your relationship with them. Number 3. Acknowledge good works. Don't be the kind of person that feels too proud to appreciate other people's work when they perform excellently well. You know, it won't take anything from you to do that. Don't be the kind of person who is known for criticizing other people's works at all times. Here's the thing, everyone wants to do a good job. But when they do so, recognize it by appreciating it. This type of recognition always goes a long way in boosting their self-confidence and encouraging them to do even better. Also, encourage creativity and ensure that everyone is clear about what is expected of them to avoid unnecessary arguments or friction amongst everyone. However, you need to know how to balance both praise and criticism to thrive. If you only give praise for good work, you won't give people the chance to grow. But if on the other hand, you only criticize them, you'll make them demoralized and discouraged. Number 4. Understand everyone's purpose or assignment. To be able to manage people effectively, you have to understand their purpose and assignment and also know what brings them joy. Realizing this will help you relate with them better because you know what they want and what they are willing to do so well. Although understanding their purpose will help you delegate the right assignments to them because you don't want to find yourself asking the wrong person to do the right task and vice versa. Here's the thing, people want to work on projects where they believe they can do well. And when allowed to do so, they feel more connected to their work. Recognizing this will help you learn how best to deal with them. Number 5. Learn to check on people when you don't need anything from them. You know that friend that only calls you when they need something?  You don't want to wait until something is wrong before you become courteous and friendly. No.  Seek the welfare of your teammates and check upon them when you don't need them to do anything for you. Otherwise, they will begin to avoid your calls knowing fully well that you are calling to either demand something or give them some extra work. Managing people isn't that difficult after all. If only you realize it is more about how you make people feel whenever they are around you. Thank you very much for watching our videos. If you like this video, watch more videos on our channel and subscribe. We love you.