nd incredible scenes In you know cinema reshot with her rules quote unquote in mind to see how much shittier they are Sure, that sounds great that too No, um, I guess if there was Because I feel like that when it comes to the writing advice stuff and the takeaway I think the big actual piece of advice is whenever you hear something like that was in that video It's worthwhile to immediately Even if you don't have a specific Question in mind to counter it you could just be like hmm. What if this is wrong and that might like help you sort of uh Take more of an approach of what ways do I think that this rule breaks? because you know if the rule breaks then at that point it's We're dealing with something a little bit different from a rule It's more like a suggestion and a suggestion can have value as well But if it's a suggestion you'd be more willing to accept that it would be contextual Like it depends whether or not this is a suggestion of the work for me But if there's like a rule of like this is just bad, it's always worthwhile to go Mate, what if you're wrong like what if what if it isn't bad? And even if you don't quite know why you think that or even if you don't necessarily think that might be worthwhile to just Bring that question up and then explore it And then maybe you might find that there is an actual underlying truth That you can get at that is super helpful for your writing adventures That would be the thing don't just accept it wholesale read it and then think Let me think about it and then uh, and then you know just go from there and then hopefully you'll arrive at some rules that are working for you right It makes me think of the because we kind of did the same thing here We did with the the extra credits one about um, you can't have evil factions remember that Yeah, we just spend most of it talking about all this great media that is beloved by many that is doing the thing She's talking about but she just like happens to avoid talking about those ones specifically. It's like And that's the thing is if you can bring up examples to the contrary and they work If you can figure out why they work You're probably going to be able to hit at some underlying point that is way more valuable to you Um when it comes to writing like if you can figure out why is it that this works despite falling into this archetype or trope Then maybe you'll be like oh, so really the fundamental thing that I want to achieve here is this Rather than avoid this because other people have done it a lot. This is not helpful right This is a video that You could tell when they were making this They just they never considered when they were writing it out What could someone say in opposition to this or should I double check what I just said? Right when you have to forget game of thrones existed You probably need to think a bit more Right. Yeah, because I guess The problem is it's like you might run into the issue of if you think about counters You might find a really good one and it's like oh But then at that point it should be oh, maybe I don't believe this and I should uh Maybe there's a different thing that I believe when it comes to writing instead of just disregarding it I doubt she'll talk to us at all But I would just be like I genuinely think you're very mistaken And and I to the point where I'd be confident that if we gave her Particularly pieces of information. She would have to clarify and rethink the entire position because it's especially on black widow. That's the big one He's clearly not Um registered a lot of what makes black widow story. His story.  I'm gonna make a video about how it's a trope to kill them It's morally evil to do so Wow, yeah Tell me you care about someone without telling me you care about somebody I guess Yeah, bizarre terrible video Not a fan of the video It was interesting because like informed bad advice juvenile I think it was really good for us because like it just got us to talk about so many things to do with story telling I find interesting that most of the time when we criticize stuff or praise it We don't typically talk about tropes like ever No, I don't like to talk about tropes or genre or things like that because I find that Getting stuck in the weeds because it's all big broad definitions of things that people think they agree on But then when you start talking about it, we find that we disagree on a lot of the Underlying things so yeah Just try and take the story for what it is because like how much you've experienced in terms of media is gonna differ from somebody else and we're trying to Have a conversation. We kind of need to get on the same page Oh, and yeah, because I just saw I don't know if it was an old or new comment It doesn't really matter, but it's more mentioning.  I don't mind I just got myself another kind of beer. I'm I'm around very well uh All righty then because that seems about that but if I'm talking about yeah a wonderful video um What I took away the good thing is we can it's We can do away with words like kill murder and death and just say fridge for everything Like you hear about that guy who frigged all those people. It does make the conversation quicker We'll say yeah less words to remember just replace them all with fridge double dash. We talked about Wait, this is not I just saw the warning thing That looks like the double dash one.  I'm on six now.  Nobody has all The answers. I just don't dig the certainty Speaking from this top down place of authority. This is how it needs to be done and there's no kind of investigation into what The the proper way of doing things might be like if she could have framed this all differently with the same points and it wouldn't come off as pretentious, you know, I mean god the The armchair and and uh fireplace. It's just it's done Unironically, I wonder if it is on purpose. I thought it all figured out and here's how it is. Are you supposed to put that with Yeah, overly sarcastic. Is it supposed to be we're not we're not supposed to be taking that seriously I don't think there is any sarcasm. I'm not sure why like that's the name of the account You mentioned that because there aren't many jokes in that video. It's very straight Like it's actually very incredibly straight.  Absolutely So anyway Anyway, all right, uh, the first one says molly. I finished squid game and then it says some things that I can't read out All right, so if you didn't know person who sent that as well as everyone in chat Wednesday We're doing a squid game efap Probably gonna be a long boy So we're gonna talk all about it and hopefully we'll cover everyone's grievances as well as praises I imagine it'll be uh, it'll be a fun and so, yeah, there you go Ringy, what do you think of the contentious political topic that may get you cancelled? I don't I I I am caffeine deficient right now, so Oh, yeah, that thing that particularly. Yeah, I'm that thing Um, I agree with you. It's bad Very bad. I agree Sent me this. He said he fixed it for me Oh, did it Oh, he fixed them nicer. Wait, what he fixed did he make the white match? Well, I mean like all of it essentially. Oh, oh, right because he's repain that looks way nicer. Yeah, it does That's nice. Um, but the main reason being that it's more cohesive as an image That's yeah the the light the fire light. Oh the bookcase goes all the way back The books the 3d he added three shadows Did forget about the red log, uh, the bottom there the the red rid of it Oh, oh, yeah, he did. That's all right. This is a huge improvement I like this a lot better. It looks more cozy That looks yeah, like it's um Seriously though, like I would say to like it tells of the original creator might be worthwhile to just like Yeah, you gotta you gotta you can keep the same headache as well Like I actually like the fire and the logs and the like I like that.  So yeah, I don't know if I'm familiar with Beowulf So maybe I'm not sure I've seen the weird animated one That was with Anthony Hopkins. The one by uh, Zennecky Zennecky's So I don't think I've seen that Yeah, I I can't remember enough of it to know if it would qualify, but I don't know the ray isn't part That was interesting. Um, also to show I mean no harm high rags Hello Uh, good luck fringe of fridging is a funny trope Some I don't even know what I think in total of it.  It's good. We'll kiss if it's a trope cliché whatever Well, yeah, because if someone if I said like never gloompa character and you're like, what does that mean? It's like it's when you kill them in an environment with um, you know Fucking the main villain hit them with something when they shouldn't have been able to It's like that just sounds like something else. Why are you calling that gloom? Why why doesn't need a name? It's like I don't don't gleam. It's like what's gleam So it's when you establish one thing and then contradict it later on and it doesn't make sense. It's like, oh, so Yeah, it's gleaming don't gleam Why do you keep saying that gleaming? Yeah, you definitely don't want to uh Gibby did it which is when you do a handstand in a triangular room We don't want to do that. That's a bad thing That is a bad thing now. I'm thinking about like like if you have tropes in video games, right? Not not the uh, not the the video series like just actual things that are just recurring elements in games Yeah, it's like I think every time you try and qualify one of those You'd be able to qualify it without relying on um Like the fact that it's done by other things It would always be some sort of mechanical issue in the game or some problem that doesn't line up with the other mechanics I don't know. Just can we I I guess the focus on them being tropes feels like a waste of time Like what we're actually complaining about is that it's just a bad thing in this particular story I find it beyond frustrating if you spend so much time identifying it telling people not to do it and then you go But sometimes it's okay. It's like, oh my god So there are some other things I feel do you ever feel like that's sort of almost basic just deduction stuff that we need to work on there like You'll understand that if you say but sometimes it's okay then what you're talking There are something else that is the problem then It's not what you've just talked about.  Okay You can start messing around with other stuff later on but like for the first time around Maybe just focus on making sure that like there is a beginning middle and end Just do the basics or like hey, I know like you've only written a couple of stories It might be worthwhile to just like Have a main character who goes on an arc and it's just the standard He he thought he wanted this but really he wanted this nice basic Simple story and then it's like but but again, it's like there's a difference between that saying so never Never deviate from the standard like the hero. I think he wants this and then he actually wants something else That is fundamentally you have to do that um Yeah, I don't I don't know. It's too restrictive. It's just too restrictive. I think Less rules, please Um, yeah boy here from the start hoping to edge for at least nine hours Oh, we're at five and a half. So, uh, good luck Um, I mean no harm. I submit to you a very peaceful high rags and too fair to prove my harmless I submit a high fringy. So Oh, hi That's like super peace at that point That is very Um Can you say what but your role my real friends this meme doesn't make sense. Okay, um We do want everyone to say that or just me I guess I'll do it and then that should hopefully be enough What but you're all my real friends this meme doesn't make sense There you go Also high rags. Well, maybe it's like the inflection like like, uh What but you're all my real friends this meme doesn't make sense There you go another like the meme it One of them is your real friend, but you're like no all of them are my real friends So this meme doesn't make sense because of it. Hmm Bringing in molly watch foughtman for efat movies, please. I assume they mean fat man Thought man Mel Gibson one, right? Is that to mean pig or is that a different thing? No, mel Gibson santa claus in fat man. Oh, right, right, right? Oh, yeah, sorry. I'm mixing them up completely. Um, yeah, uh, it's a potential christmas movie. I'm not, uh For efat, I'm not sure if we'll do it. We'll uh, we'll figure it out Um from us train to boost on I thought the main guy at the start of the movie was being told to sell off the bio company's stocks The big wigs know what's coming and want to get out loved it watched it last night because of you. Um I specifically I can't remember exactly what was uh sold or sorted I I think he was I think that was the idea. He could see what was coming. So he wanted to sell Right because they're the price was about to tank I Wanted to get rid of them and get their values. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's what was happening. Yeah, I couldn't remember the specifics They're like what stocks if not all And it was just the ones related to that Um, if ever you met someone who's never watched a movie before which movie would you recommend them first also? Who's never seen a movie before yeah, so I feel like we want to do fundamental something super fundamental Probably non fantasy or sci-fi probably um, I Serbian film light hearted and Maybe a light heart Yeah, like a like a disney one of those disney classic movies, you know, that's really approachable Like maybe snow white the seven dwarves or something lion king. That could be a good Maybe like a lion king. Yeah. No people. Let's do let's do people actually like, um, really? Um I feel if they've never seen a movie before I feel like it's a good way to introduce them to how because it'll be a fun Journey right to start giving them like I want a movie with talking animals and they're like, what? You know what someone said 12 angry men. That's a good choice. I like that one. Yeah, good movie. Yeah And you know, if you want any other information on why it's such a great movie 12 angry men video on my channel. Go check it out made a video on that I did It's the best example of blocking I can think of in a film. Well in terms of like cinematography and stuff Yeah, that's what blocking. Yeah. No, it's it's cinematography Right as if the lost art could be fun as like an adventure, you know, this is what an adventure movie is Yeah, I don't know about a human centipede. I'm gonna vote no on that one. I think Yeah An animated disney sort of classic or maybe one of the pics are something that's super approachable from all different kinds of people it's very kind of vibrant and Like you they do they could understand all the messages. It's not super complex. I guess Something like that. I think that would be a really good first movie for someone. Yeah, I don't know who If they've never seen a movie ever Like you'd want to show them like a good movie that's like the movieist movie ever like good will hunting or something like that That movie is the movieist movie And then you'd be like right time to expand your brain. I'm gonna go Also high rags Hello Um sup john high rags and hello all my n-words. Hello. Hi started Um, hello moorla fringy metal and rags Hello. Hello. Have you guys seen dune yet? Any non-spoiler thoughts? Not yet. I'm planning to see that with my dad. He had a he had a minor surgery on his foot So he's hanging out at the house for a while until he could start walking around again So that is that once he's up and about that is going to be our return to theater movie Now that those are kind of back in the swing of things and the normal So we're going to go see dune of the theater once we can Looking forward to it. It should be uh should be nifty. I kind of want to go see it Um, I've seen it and I feel like I'll wait for a little bit before saying anything about it In fact, you'll probably hear me say stuff about it on real bbc for e-fab I know that fringy metal and rags are intending to see it. So I'd rather not say anything um, yeah I'll I'll talk to people have seen it. Yeah V shall see Also just tell me how it ends Look on my twitter you can see what I said about the ending Um Also, would it be better to have AI or human supercomputers? What would it be a human super computer? Yeah, I'm not I'm not sure human is capable of it, but if you had a human who also had the thought power of a supercomputer versus an AI I don't know it depends on the AI and depends on the human. That's the thing I feel like both could go either way I do kind of wonder if you had a human with the potential of like a huge amazing supercomputer like well beyond what it is It's like does that Are they human at that point or they like I wonder if they'd alter everything about them, you know Yeah, if something is truly an AI in the sense that it's indistinguishable from a person Uh, or a human mind, but you give both a human and an AI the same Like thought power. I don't know if there's really a meaningful distinction between the two at that point Um What is Michael Bay's best objectively best movie? If I could I don't even know I'd have to look at the list I'm sure he's made some bangers. I think The rock is a dope movie Michael Bay movies Is it his movie though? Or is he just a producer? Yeah He directed it didn't write it. I can never remember if he did Yeah, no, you're right. He did yet because there's a lot of uh visuals in that film in a very Michael way That's my favorite of his that's probably my favorite of his. Yeah, I wouldn't I don't know if anything's gonna be done the wrong Yeah, that's a good one Not welcome to the wrongers Uh age of extinction No, I thought about it It's a close one, but I think I go with the rock. Have you guys seen the rock? I know I have not no That's that's what we eat on movies potential.  Yeah It's good stuff. Yeah He I press a robot out of hell too Picture show that was a music video That was a good one. Actually, I didn't Hey fringled, I didn't mean to get you so riled up with a smash question I didn't know that argument was so common also thoughts on saura and high rags Hello I wasn't actually that riled up. That was uh, like I just find it Annoying but as for saura, that's an I find this is interesting when people talk about characters who they want in smash because you know I don't care about kingdom hearts. I don't care, but um Yeah, that feels like a fair choice In terms of a character to include in smash brothers, you know, it's like a well-known character from a popular franchise that to some extent has been relevant on nintendo platforms Um, that feels like a fair choice So I would the s games, right? I think there were. Yeah, like um dream drop distance or something. I remember hearing that Yeah, like it it feels like a fair choice So I can look at that and be well, it's not a character that I personally would have wanted but That's that's cool. I mean, I feel like it's the same for minecraft minecraft feels like a perfectly In fact, minecraft is a more than apt. That's like a really great idea to have a minecraft character in smash Um, conversely bileth that that's I don't think that's a good choice This character from this game that came out when you already have like nine characters from this franchise. No Like no, that's taken up slots that could have been taken up by a rep for a whole lot of franchise Like yeah, somebody said leon kennedy.  I'm pretty sure was only in play session But that's fine if we're gonna do that at that point. Yeah, get don't say in there get crash or spyro Just get whoever put him in there. Yeah, but I mean they got a good relationship with microsoft by the sounds Cheap in there john halo. Yeah I don't know how people tolerate I don't know how people tolerate the online multiplayer with that input lag I keep I keep like on our smash.  I don't know why and then I played it recently in the the input lag is so dreadful Like I don't know how this is I mean, I guess most people just do the couch. Oh, that's why he has spoiled you or Uh, I'm assuming other console games have better Input delay. The lag is pretty bad. Smash has always been Shit online like every single one of them. Oh, yeah The the wee one was even brawl was even worse. Yeah brawl was a disaster on some online Yeah, because it used like the frame sync methods.  Yeah, well, sure. Maybe that's an explanation, but it's not an excuse. It's um I mean like Because I know that there's a bit of a curbie bias But like that that makes way more sense to me to have a curbie bias like curbie is a long running nintendo franchise I mean look at that curbie only has three characters And it's like curbie's always super important like in terms of these games and stuff But um, I'm totally fine with that I mean really if anything there should be a mario bias like they're ought to be a mario bias if there is one but Yeah, ideally no bias though. That'd be nice Yeah Um, yeah, how much are the dlc characters? Do we have like a pack or something? Or they all individual pricey they're 110 coins each How much microsoft points? or Fringy fire room goes all the way back to the nes. Okay, so i'm just go let me look up sales figures for these franchises I'm getting tired of these points like I i'm pretty sure that fire emblem has not sold as well as Hold on Let's look up the best selling games on nintendo switch just to put things into perspective, you know Just how popular these franchises really are um nintendo switch Give me a minute here Gold post moved Sorry, well, I i'm pretty sure that in the last stream if you remember my point one of the big things is how popular they are Like I think that that is a relevant factor All right Best selling game on nintendo switch is mario kart 8 deluxe 37 million copies The next one is animal crossing at 33 million copies. So animal crossing. I would say deserves more than two characters You know what legend is out of breath of super smash bros ultimate 24 million copies Breath of the wild 23 million copies. You know what zelda could stand to have another character. I think pokemon sword and shield 21 million copies man Look at these games splatoon 2 12.45. I am jumping a bit now 12.45 million copies. God damn. Where's fire emblem? Hmm, hold on. Where is it? Where is fire emblem the the best selling one in the series 2.87 million? Man, you know what three million. That's like a tenth of 37 million Everyone's asking how popular is it in japan I don't this is worldwide sales. Oh there you go I don't I don't mean so the number is going to be lower If you have to go yeah, the number will be lower Dude, like i'm pretty sure As you just look through this list It's like man if it was like you ring for the adventure you probably did a rep for ring for the adventure Why the hate for fire emblem?   Kill myself I Fridge myself no Why they're three metric characters in smash it was just about sales figures. Okay, so like three versus 10 And I didn't say it was just about that either when we're talking about diversity of characters Samus and ridley are nothing alike But like I don't know if you can sit there and be like, you know what I can moth like they're very different And they're like the most different if you compare them in terms of one being heavy attacks and one being light attacks You're making it into it. I said it was one factor Samus and zero suit samus are totally different too. That's right Oy moly cinemas in civil war video too spoopy for you Um, we could cover that someday I guess No, I mean since this is you know, don't take too much in a row is what they say, right? Be careful It's no dody on cinema sense Um, are you massive is planning to play the next game from super massive games house of ashes this halloween? Coming to you in three or four days. Yes Mm-hmm I took a day off of that That is the way to spend your life.  What are you talking about? Oh God bows his mini game. Oh I agree with your criticism of atla, but still love it So I was wondering if there's anything you remember from the show that they did really well high raggle daggle So in front of say hi back Um, yeah, that's me. Hi Oh raggle daggle Oh, okay Okay, fine. Just he's having to pee or something. It's fine. Um, yeah, iro. I think I would argue that you've done really well There's um, like a character that is a part of the sort of evil empire in a way, but um, doesn't believe in their goals But at the same time his whole family are Into it And so it's only uh, he's like building a force in the background to try and undermine it eventually but also try to get his family to Come with him sort of thing. I think there's there's lots of good stuff there There's too many characters that use fists in that game with free stupid logic of smash inclusion Okay, I feel like that's just bad faith right there. They're just like oh specifically that they have swords I guess do we all right? Let's lay it out from the beginning So I think that the decisions that you make in terms of adding characters into smash brothers should be determined by a variety of factors Including but not limited to how popular is the franchise? What is the significance in terms of its legacy to nintendo? Um also also um like how diverse is uh the roster in terms of Characters that are very different in terms of how big they are how fast they move. What are their primary weapons that they have? um You have a ton of these factors By that metric I do not think that there should be 10 fire emblem characters who fight with swords That's basically it. That's the take seems like overkill. Yeah There's like 10 characters There's representation like every single game. Yeah, but meanwhile Waluigi who would be very different. I would imagine from every other mario character that they've added Man feels like a really great choice that we don't have in this game I never knew about like mm-hmm When I played her plays I never knew about ice climbers or nest or um Yeah, that's what I mean. It's like these these are some really cool choices in terms of pulling characters pit is another one Yeah, I never knew about it a lot of these little mac is kind of reaching back a bit too. Um, and also, uh Like the the duck hunt characters It's like this is kind of fun picking characters who had a history With nintendo and it feels like there have to be more than that who haven't gotten a chance But bilith gets one I Damn the spider passes are pricey They are pricey. Yeah 25 So this camp in japanese culture dude if they even got like eight characters What I don't is this actually an argument that like fire emblems more popular in japan Therefore, that's the reason why they're in there because like I don't know if that's an that's an exponent That's an explanation. That's not really a justification And plus like I don't even have a problem with that because I'm pretty sure dragon quest. That's not Like dragon quest is more popular in japan Well, that's the thing, right? It's not super popular here, but really popular in japan and that guy that uh Franchise got a character added in that's cool But like that's because he's from a different franchise like you're giving other characters from other franchises a chance to be in it Because that's a reality of it when one character gets a slot. That's somebody who doesn't get to be part of the game Somebody who people would like it would be cool to have I think it would be cooler to have like some indie because you got holonite skins You should put like a holonite. No, there is a holonite skin But you could put holonite in the game or shovel night that'd be really cool That'd be really cool if you could add those guys in there There's the holonite spirits like those supporting I think they're off. I think this is pretty sure. I'd love one earlier today I'm playing smash at the moment actually Yeah, I I guess the problem is like I don't know um That I I'm not sure why someone would be like, okay So presented the option between the ninth fire emblem character and somebody who is from a different franchise entirely I don't know why you would say yeah ninth fire emblem character Let's add them in because frankly I'd be cool with not adding any more Mario characters either But like I would soon add another Mario character than I would have a fire emblem character Yeah because they're there's just way more diversity in terms of like the roster of Mario characters in terms of size how fast they move what weapons they use All right, but yeah, I'm happy to stop talking I'm actually not that invested Clearly not that invested. Yeah. No, I don't I don't I don't I don't actually All right I wish I could stay and watch but I have to go to work. I'll definitely check out soon though. Also higher eggs Hi Hope you have fun when you finally go through this um presumably nine hour stream That's that's where I assume we'll get to but who knows um Oh boy an edap when I'm operating a million dollar printing press. Let's go Oh, all right careful Yeah million million dollar printing press sounds interesting Um, if y'all think the reddit isms is bad, you should check out the discord more often Mainly trash chat the mods themselves argue objectivity doesn't exist. No, I know that's fine Trust me. Everyone in the discord is allowed to believe whatever they want about objectivity. It's objectivity seems to the the Um the discord the reddit the the twitter the dreaded twitter still a collection of people that really like storytelling and um What I've gathered is what is true effaps value isn't in uh agreeing on any particular framework It's that yeah people should be behaving in in line with who they are in their stories Things should make sense You don't have to be compelled that that is the thing that should happen You just have to want that to be the case yourself as long as you have that value yourself Then everything we do here is useful to you um So yeah, it's totally fine I think it's not fine. Mel doesn't think it's going to beat up all the mods Yeah beat it up Y'all should check out inscription an incredibly unique creepy card puzzle game Hmm at least try out the demo on steam also high rags and everyone else. I guess Hello, hello Never heard of it, but sounds interesting Uh EFAP increases game luck in destiny 2 can verify I don't understand Say that one more time. It's a grindy game Destiny 2 We have a super chat that probably got some good drops while farming some weapons If everyone's different no one is I'm not sure what that's referencing in terms of the video All individuals I'm not What are the greatest quotes ever Uh, the snap is all his steve's fault because at the end of the day, you should have just sacrificed vision the marvel's director thoughts Um, she did say that She's not wrong that Like that but that was a choice that he made that's that's the thing and it's the choice I understand might make it Talk about it consequentially that that is what happened as a result But it is in line with steve's beliefs and it's not something I condemn like in a moral sense rather I'd just be like it's unfortunate That he couldn't bring himself to do that And I wonder if he would make the same decision if he could do it again I did wonder I think he would probably um I mean is a consequentialist man, you know like as I'm sure but you know at the point of everybody initially dying if you were like Steve this can all be undone if vision dies and he's already dead so You know you'd have to assume that you probably commit Oh, yeah But um, yeah to sort of clarify though. It's not like it's all steve's fault There's a lot of things that had to happen to make it all happen, right? But Um, I don't know that the context of exactly what she would have said.  Sometimes they do have bad takes though. I haven't seen this video though Well, well, it wasn't a great one Now you have now you have an excruciating detail um So is superman, but evil a trope or cliche? Iraq's Hello um Maybe it depends on how the origin begins, right?  I don't know really Yeah, I'm I'm not sure what I would Categorize it as but it is like if someone was to make a brand new superman They're like this time we're gonna make it so that he doesn't end up being so wholesome and uh all about the american way We all be like, uh-huh He's gonna be more nihilistic or Disenfranchised with the hero worker. It's just like it's fine. I'd give it a chance could be amazing, but like the After the snider stuff, it's kind of like all right. Can we Want a good guy just want a great superman. I want a good superman He's just a super dare. I say a super hero No, that's cringe. No, stop stop right there Hola, bonjour, howdy mola, fringy metal and guest. Hello. Hola, kata Hi It is an embarrassment of riches this weekend wednesday friday and now again today. Woohoo You Well, there's there's even more on the way in terms of compact for e-fap stuff.   This is an interesting little minigame They like reveal to you what is in the box a further back from when it actually is then you got to keep it in mind It's kind of neat Um Is it though? Ah, shite. I forgot to say higher rags Oh, hey Um, don't forget the dead space three playthrough november 2nd what Dead space dead space three playthrough like have we That's a potential for an e-fap Well, yeah, it always has been but I don't remember it.  Yeah, I don't like me super chat. I can't have that Yeah Um Rags look up stan lee's batman Stan lee's batman. Let's see Oh, it's it's like a man bat person he Oh, let me see um This is I'll show you a picture Show you a couple pictures actually All right, come down Wait, that's batman from stan lee I guess that's when he Okay, um Yeah, I don't know Maybe that's closer to what you were uh, say about committing with a costume version Yeah, I'm think yeah, I'm thinking so I guess that was stan lee's version of batman That's lcr Definitely, uh, definitely a batman.   Okay I think it's a really bad trope And you're offended that a clown was made to eat a gay person Yeah, like as a clown you're like they should only eat married people who are straight Yeah, something like that like in the clown lore different people just taste different So I assumed they would but I don't know if being gay would have any influence on that, you know The next one is do the gays taste different from the dog gays? It's like Maybe Um I 100 support barry de gaze. I think I mean barry de gaze but uh I guess that man if your character is dying for very meaningful reasons.  You can have a story with basically no plot, but the world will have a large part in what characters believe in how they act So what they act is What I was gonna. Yeah, I I think that um I mean, I don't I don't know what a story is without a plot because even if even if the story is Hi, jim. Hi bill. I'm going home by the plot is jim goes home. Like that's the yeah You have to have a plot your world building can be like a result of the well Well, there's always a world building to a certain extent. Well, I yeah, yeah That's more important. I think I think that we're talking about things in general like if the four pillars are character plot world and theme like World building is lost. Um, I think that I think the character plot and theme are all more important um But I think it's just that um world building Can only ever be relevant through plot and character Um, and it's more emergent. I feel I think it is well. Yeah I mean think about it this way ncis that's set in the modern world. It has world building. It's just not yeah Like the world building is this is the modern world and there is ncis Which is an agency of the government and they like invest in crime. Yeah There can exist a plot that just doesn't have a theme really at all But there has to be world building because all of these events take place within like space Like there there has to be some level of world building uh It is but the plot is deaf plot is king when it comes to the those three Um, I would say a story is a meaningful sequence of events So there's a couple of ingredients there plot being one of them You need a sequence of events to have a story whether it means something is it is another thing Trying to envision this stuff happening But it doesn't really go anywhere trying to envision this story is like is it Like a lot of us are just sitting in a room watching tv and like the world's events are sort of happening You know and we're just sort of like world But then even that the synopsis of the plot would be four friends, you know five friends Whatever they stay in their little blah blah house watching the world's unfold and You know that that that would just be that would be the plot And then presumably there's going to be some kind of meaningful ending to that like Um makes you think about a tank level field lane where It's like they're all in that place, but the it's the world's changing around them that makes them The decide to do certain things within the place they're in without actually going outside Right, yeah, I guess But again, it's like it's possible to not have plot because that means you You can't really have characters that don't have any interests or goals which generates plots Thoughts on the scream franchise I remember like in the first two and that's about it I think it's the same for me They would need little movies to try and shake up Um the horror genre by being aware of The fact that some of the characters are kind of aware that they're kind of in this horror story And they they talk about it as real people probably would Okay, like this Um It just came in a time where slashers were just so fucking boring and dead that scream is like What would people do if they were enough slash a movie?  We'd be like Interesting, um, but yeah, I remember like in the first two I'd have to re-watch him I guess Will the Karen if that movies come out next Halloween or next black history month All we Halloween Karen for the black history month Uh Overly sarcastic productions doesn't tell people to avoid tropes But talks about how they are executed both well and poorly a little late. So not sure if you knew I'm afraid that she's outdated information. She is explicit, but it is inherently bad broken and immoral This is inherently bad and immoral. Yeah Maybe she doesn't normally tell people to avoid tropes, but this time she did Yeah, who knows Maybe just waiting for the time to pull that card. Who knows Who knows I did see some people saying this this video was unusual. Um, so maybe it is just an unusual one Maybe yeah, right. That was just a bad first impression than in that case, I guess Uh The problem with trying to avoid tropes that a lot of people don't realize is they are inevitably in storytelling and subverting tropes as a trope, too I can't become a chore. It is frustrating.  That's boring. I'd be like we can still make that really good.  You haven't seen that before Damn all fish had Larry Mm-hmm. What if the hero dies? Whoa, that's great That's what pissed me off about film school surrounded by people who are like They want to reinvent filmmaking because they're all so ambitious, right?  I don't recognize the name so presumably not Uh Resident Evil dead aim had a man named Morpheus who became a tyrant But the tyrant had more x and a lot less y when it came to chromosomes I haven't was was resident evil dead aim I don't get is that a one of the animated movies? Maybe. Oh, maybe yeah It was like a on rail shooter for I can't remember which one it was for maybe I was thinking a survivor. That's playstation 2. I think that's playstation one Is playstation one, right? Yeah, I had that game as a when I was younger and I played it all the way through It was very short and it's pretty shit, but I love Yeah The we had one or two on rail resident evil games as well. We had a lot of on rail games. Yeah Survivors a weird one looks like an arcade shooter. You could use a light gun with but you can't Fun fact major force can't die So green lantern cut his head off and held it into space So the man would suffer the void of space forever. Jesus. Oh, wow.  No, but they just it they just remember it as marvel sludge. They don't actually remember What happened? It's just oh, yeah, those were just those marvel sludgy movies that I saw that one time I see this um The awful thing of seeing like maybe a black person in a role and being like, oh no Super diversity. I see this is the reverse. We're like a woman died. Oh, no fridging What no classic fridging It was the great linkara that said it though Uh, hello from ketchikan alaska hello Hi Women in fridges. It's a hackneyed criticism made up by gale. Simone to get a job in comics and used by people that never read comics With all the examples she gave I can believe it's used by people who aren't familiar with source material. I can believe that now Yes Uh, watch the last duel. It's not woke but great. Hi. I don't What did that caught away? Uh, I've heard of it. I don't know. Uh, that's um ridley scott, right? Yeah, more like Sridley Yeah, jill and priss are in fortnite. I just saw that on twitter Hey guys, if you haven't uh, if you haven't played it yet god of war is on sale. So now's the time to pick it up Oh Oh, man down from 49 99 to 49 99 It's on sale. Yeah, that's a Super war is that steam or the epic game? So it's not out on steam yet. I don't think Oh, it's got a page on steam. I didn't know if it's on sale. Yeah No, no, it doesn't even have a price attached what I think What is that store? I don't know. I just saw it So I'm guessing it's playstation store of some sorts On a scale from mootl to just felled trees alone in the rain How masculine are you feeling today?  How'd that happen? I don't know. I feel like it was obvious. That seems you think it would Like you think they picked me So, um Yeah, we were totally manly today. We took down a waman's video That's uh, we did And we could get any more trouble for this one because she's more popular than um, the one I've already forgotten about the The black widow one Oh my goodness, maybe I don't know. I just feel like I'm just numb to that now I'm just like, uh, just like argue with us Like listen to the things we said, please we made ideas.  Okay, not just hating you or anything Metal I'm dutch and I want my bicycle back. I You took some of the bicycle Again, I I I have my own one. I don't need your shitty bicycle I I think you guys are really gonna like this. So zigzor he made this a few days ago. He said Wait, I'll get it on screen Oh my god, that's huge Damn fringy, you're looking good, man. He's looking jacked, bro If I got a little antenna You do you have an antenna. I like this. I like this like almost robotic take on you What does that mean sausage and schnitzel man Ah Dog-sized dog a new shirt normal sized german man Oxides not good j normal size german man. German man. Human hybrid giga chat Australian emu human hybrid giga chat I like the idea that once the mass comes off, there's just a green beat That's really funny But I'm pretty sure the official law is that that it is just a mask as the writer. I'm pretty sure the official The problem is that I'm I'm currently like almost building up the fringy myth. Oh, so it's getting very confused already Like it's already started Yeah, your belt buckle says no No, it does it does say that. Yeah This is great. I'm saving this one It's a little folder like everyone has a something something size and j has just as j Five hour dr. Who video Oh, yeah, because we're sized in what it is meters Yeah, for a second there. I thought it was going to be like in video length or something. Oh wait I'm over two meters tall. Jeez. Nice. I am so I'm So a meter is what like about 2.2 feet, right? I'm pretty sure a meter is three feet or something like that 3.3 meter 3.3 feet. Yeah, okay, so yeah, that's uh Yeah, you're you're a biggin Yeah Um, was barba gordon fridged for jim gordon iraq's well that can Do come up Yeah, I I don't know. I need to read it. I guess and then be much more clear on exactly what we would classify as being fridged The tropes slash cliche argument is a false dichotomy. There are cliche tropes and there are tropes that are frankly unavoidable But tropes are not bad I mean we pretty much acquire that point. I don't really have an issue with something having been a trope or is it Yeah, I'm just like, okay Um When you finish with fridging you should look up the pandora's box video It's like a red stumbled on the legend and got super butt hit over it. Hi rags Hello Well, like the legend that it's like the curiosity of man or you know, just like needing to Why what is the original story of pandora's box? Well, it's that um pandora opened the box And released all the evils into the world. I know that maybe she has an issue with the fact It was a woman who did it much like how it was a well much like how it was a woman who Took a who was tricked by the serpent in the garden of Eden. So I don't I don't know. I women are up to I'm telling you man. Oh, okay. So the myth is That her curiosity led her to open a container left in the care of her husband Thus releasing physical and emotional curses upon mankind Which isn't fair. I feel if you're just like, oh, I wonder what's in that box. Oh, no, I've created No, I know.  That's what you've learned That's why you don't open pandora's fridge exactly Pandora's fridge Lots of bodies in there Pandora's Lots of skeletons in that fridge. Yeah If you tried to live your writing career avoiding any and all tropes ever made ever Could you even write and finish a story at all seems impossible Um with how many tropes there are yeah, you're not avoiding them all You are not avoiding them. You're just not there's too many and again They are descriptive of things that arise from stories. They're just there's just gonna. Yeah, I don't think it's possible Maybe but I mean You'd also be intentionally avoiding a lot of the good ones. So One of the issues with this trope is it starts from the lens of the gender politics of gale samoon She can't help but see everything as sexism Well, it is weird because we noticed straight away that it's not about the person.  You're like, yeah, but that's not it's like okay, but that's not how we define. Yeah, that's not how it works Um, are you gonna check out osp's video on the merry suit? Maybe one day. No, I don't I don't want to I don't want to But maybe we will Hey, y'all, are you ready for the sex scene in marvel's eternals? I know I'm ready to shell out more money to corporate overlords consume product. Do you have a sex scene in it? Do they oh boy, how do we know that hasn't has only been shown to the press or something? Somebody like, I don't think something on twitter. I don't know. Oh, maybe yeah Yeah Was joel fridged for ellie or was the zebra saviour fridged for abbey? Wow, they were the zebra was definitely a fridged. So like if we're using this definition What would have zebra saviour be the dad? She this yeah, yeah So this is the thing if you were in the call right now and I as she knew Last was too well and to be honest with you. She probably likes last was too because it's so subversive, but If I said was joel fridge for her She'd probably say something like well No, because they had an entirely meaningful relationship that separates him as a character But also their relationship together.  Yeah I must say I am a little bit confused um Was joel. Oh wait. Yeah that woman's pot plant was fridged Yeah, man Just knocked right out just to motivate that woman to Scream and then hit hush in the face. Yeah, so hard that his face fell off The writers probably forgot that she didn't know that that was a breath that was I I was Quite happy when that happened. It's like yes, we're not gonna have to deal with the evil bruce wayne I couldn't deal with that I thought we're gonna get a whole season of that. No, it's not ready for that Yeah, because that was the big like cliffhanger stinger of the end of season one and then season two first episode No, it's done. They just get rid of him. Yeah, because I guess there's no relation to kate, right? So it's not that significant Mm-hmm Sewing this is she sewing them Okay, yeah, sorry ruby rose ruby rose is she sewing them? I don't know someone brought that I don't know I don't know if that's is that the development I guess you could just google news the newest thing. I am Well, everything's from two days ago. So I guess nothing's really developed since Hmm Oh, by the what that would be really cool if if the show is really well written the idea that an imposter bruce wayne Suspects that he's batman and is constantly trying to find the bat cave Yeah, while while trying to play it cool and everything in front of everybody, you know Uh, that that could be that could be comedic. It's funny almost He's frustrated. He can't find the bat cave and he has the full run of the place because it's just hidden Um, but that I think that would be really uh, that could be really good former batwoman employees are responding to ruby roses allegations Well, I yeah, there was that one where the woman said that she was like basically really mean to the monstret and often late That was that was a claim. Which is amusing. Yeah, just do grace scott. Definitely. Well, do grace scott said Yeah, and he said I absolutely and completely refute the defamatory and damaging claim. I could hear it in his voice Made uh against me by ruby rose. They are entirely made up and never happened as warner bros television has stated They decided not to exercise the option to engage ruby for season two based on multiple complaints about her workplace behavior We'll just have to see how it pans out. I guess I absolutely condemn All the claims made by batwoman and we will take her down Dude cameras johnson who plays um, luke. He um, he tweeted out this Bat fam, you know, I couldn't go the whole day without saying something I love y'all. Don't think I haven't seen all the love today But yeah, fam. She was fired and it is very hard to be fired when you're the lead Imagine what you have to do for that happen cameras. Johnson plays. Oh, the guy plays luke right? Yeah Like one of the only two actors who can act on the show Damn, he's like, yeah imagine what you have to do to get fired if you're the lead Damn both hit both him and do grace scott. So that's that's the question is if if um If more people who are in the I don't know the crew start talking about these mishaps on set and all of these injuries and everything like that Then I guess we'll see like at that point, but um I don't know. I mean does she maybe she knows that There's like something preventing the real info from getting out. So she's engaging in this He said she said kind of thing. Maybe she feels that's the best Kind of war that she can wage. Um, I guess so right because if you're not Part of the because it may well be that there are people who are still employed on that show who you know want to keep their jobs Yeah, I don't know. We just have to see we'll have to see how maybe I mean, who knows if it's who knows who's right, but I think it's interesting how both scott and her are uh To be fair they're both people she shout on right? Yeah, by name she yeah All right, I'm just saying like the reason why maybe we haven't heard from jevisia leslie about anything is because it's just like Probably better.   Hey fridged him. Dab it Uh, just some guy made a good video about the Uh, wi r trope wi women and refrigerators I kept thinking of fridges not refrigerators. I was like, it's supposed to be an f surely Women and refrigerators. It's a website created in 1999 by a group of feminist comic book fans That lists examples of the superhero comic book trope. So they just list every time a woman died Where are my female characters are affected by injury rape killed or depowered? Uh, fridging, uh Okay I don't care Fun thing is I've seen it. Oh, go ahead That's god. I just feel like people who make lists like that are not people that I should pay attention mm-hmm Fun thing is I've seen it criticize both ways people call it fridging to have a long running main character Just killed off but also for introducing a new character just to kill them off Gotta get that middle ground And then you'll you'll make them happy Uh last year I hadn't come out when red sedge rey wasn't a Mary Sue. Oh That helps. Okay. That does help. Yeah, especially not the truss is probably the worst of the three to be fair Yeah, it's still it's not good and it's not good in the first but it definitely doesn't get better I Have been going through your tremendous backlog of podcasts from the beginning and I'm really enjoying the journey Your discussions have helped me look at all aspects of my life more objectively also high ranks Hello, oh well I'm glad you're having fun with it.  It's hilarious and I'd love to hear your comments out on it in a stream Henry sikman was that Henry sikman Yeah Henry sikman I mean Henry sikman It says sikman, but if this is sikman then that's probably it.  Um, yeah, maybe I don't know Bringy, I agree with most of what you said about fe and smash But if you say that Roy is a clone of math, I will strangle you through the monitor Uh, I don't think I ever said that there is a point. They are similar though Roy they're not the same um because uh, well Yeah, I I mean, I guess that's the thing is it's funny because when I think about brawl It's like I was cool with that when you had like two or three of them. That was kind of Then it just went off the rails Um, no, but I mean some of them are explicitly clones, but they're nevertheless part of the roster, so Mm-hmm Um, I'd love to see lianna k guest on efap one day I don't know that name Very well Let me just put it youtube Okay, I want to say I have Heard of her before but I don't know anything about Yeah, I don't know anything about her. Um Oh, she was on south podcast. She hates the lost of us too Oh Well, uh, yeah, maybe I don't know it's art Um OST one said ray not mary sue. That was before episode seven Uh would be tlj, right? No wait tlj is eight Yes, so she must have said it after tfa before tlj.  Um I'm commander shepard and this is my favorite stream on the citadel Oh That's good. There's probably a lot of streams on the citadel. Yeah probably, uh I watched knd's video on the moose Episode seven critique. He makes me he makes an insane efap hole of shame First pace worthy line in the first five minutes react to it. Hi rags Hello knd knd This is what it says. I'm all I watched knd uh Knd bid on the moose episodes says So I guess maybe the moo is the episode seven critique. So that's You is the moo you I could be moo. I guess i'm not sure you could be moo episode seven critique he makes An insane efap hole of shame first Place worthy line in the first five minutes react to it. Hi rags.  D well I I'll keep it on. I thought k like k and d I guess that's a channel k and d. Oh, it's next door is what people are saying Well, that would be knd Oh, right. Yeah, this is k and d So I guess what they say will sound the same. Which is probably why they're saying it knowledge. Oh knowledge and defense That would match Yeah, I've only ever seen clips and it's hilarious. He's like a weirdo.  Hi rags Oh, hi there. I'm not gonna pretend to know at this point, you know It's like the rules are confusing Uh efap season 10 rags is fridge to motivate mohler. No No Put in a little doggo fridge Um, alec bouldwin cold dog alec bouldwin fridge to clinton foundation slash epstein lawyer by killing his wife That's strange That's a that's a strange super chat. Yeah I got no context for any of that at all um I rags which is better tomboy's or fanboys Uh tomboy's I mean, yeah, this says mohler. Please passionately argue against him, but I agree so Yeah, I agree as well Fringy what simpsons is this remind you of? Uh what this one this is particular Um this episode, hmm Uh Oh, oh, it was the best of times.  It's like it's not feasible right now I find it really interesting that's all just that a monkey will write the best book ever just because he's typing We don't even need the monkey. You just make an ai at that point, right? Sure, but then ai's not as interesting as if it's a monkey This monkey has written the greatest book of all time and he couldn't tell you shit about it Well, I feel like you wouldn't have to simulate it because it's just Going to happen because of the nature of infinity But I mean we talk about reader response.  That's a real interesting one Death of the monkey So what what did you what did you mean when you you know, what were you getting at when you wrote this particular plot? We It's like, oh very interesting Um I find Jerry's arc really interesting in terms of you know, what would you say that this is a critique on capitalism? Okay, I never thought about it like that. Thank you, uh monkey All right, uh Next up on our panel.  Well, that would be a good reference in terms of scroting the booger balls So I you have a what's out park. So there was an episode where um The kids were forced to read catcher in the rye for their book report And they were told like this book was banned like this book was banned.  And then they read it. They're just like that was lame We should write our own band book.  Like it is just meant to be offensive. Um And then their parents find it And they can't read it without vomiting They finish it and it's funny because it's like it's like ready rudeness. So then scrotie he shoved it up is infected. Oh, man. Ah this This is they're all vomiting. But then the whole idea is oh, but this is like the greatest book ever written The characters are so vivid and like the themes Yeah Oh, it's so good, but you have to follow it You have to It's the most disgusting book ever, but it's it's incredible in terms of its commentary and um Like the whole idea is they frame butters because they don't want to get in trouble and butters becomes like this icon of literature Um, and everybody just keeps talking about this book and what it means and the kids are just like, dude It was bullshit.  It's like the greatest thing ever.  Like sometimes it's just bullshit So I guess that this video made me think of that for some reason I think the other kids they They pin it on butters because they think they're gonna get in trouble. They're gonna get in trouble. Yeah Then he gets the funny thing is a great author Butters still gets grounded. He has to write his book in uh It is bedroom because he still got grounded for the language. Yeah And I remember there was there was like a gag of uh A game show how long can you listen to the book and not evolve it and they just put him in a little box Now I'm just thinking about touch the stove Well now back to touch the stove So like jerry, I hear you're uh, I don't know you work working like automotive. Yeah, and I'll start it when touch the stove Just a game show where you're standing next to an oven You don't even think maybe they're gonna put my hand on the stove There you go chat. We'll give him the simpsons reference Yeah, yeah All like schlimpsies This ended with metal. Oh, yeah Out of context Metal oh, yeah, any thoughts on the 2017 prey game also hyrax Uh, it's really oh first off. Hello. I really like the 2017 prey game I would highly recommend it to people who like Like a survival exploration Uh action sort of game. It's got decent, uh Just I I I would highly recommend I won't go too much further. I really I really enjoyed Nope, I got I said I wouldn't go any further. I really highly recommend it. I gotta stick to my guns Now that's that's really cool and I'm gonna let you finish but let me tell you it is a crying shame The prey too got cancelled. Yep. I'm sorry It just it still upsets me Ripper only Um, I haven't played it, but I plan to at some point I will too It is the good It's I won't he's just normal blue my bad.  I certainly am not in the talked about it.   We wouldn't then say this Ifab chat is an example of fridging We don't usually do it that way No Tropes a story shortcuts that can be both good or bad um Yeah, they're neutral. I just think they're neutral Well, it's saying they can be good or bad So at that point is the tropes aren't good or bad.  We want to see more. I don't know that it's just what are what are story Situations that are just not common that you would like to see like people being intelligent I guess is what you're saying.   Yeah, so they're asking stuff that's just not even attempted usually Not even attempted Yeah, so their example was uh your main protagonist turns out to be the villain Yeah Which is very unusual The bad guy has a point trope I like some level of justification for why the bad guy is doing what he's doing He's not just bad for the sake of bad And it's not just power for the sake of power It's the there really is some kind of a point or a purpose or he is informed by things that are happening And so he's trying to do something about it We need more zemos I would agree with that. Yeah, I won't just I just want better villains in general I consider that an upgrade from a villain who's like I want to take over the world.  I want to be more of uh Unhappy endings where the the resolution is kind of like not right things don't pan out Or maybe just the pyrrhic victories externally you bitters tweet endings. Uh, yeah. Yeah, basically you won but a blind mannered kind of Um, I yeah, blimey. I think that could count. I just I would call that bittersweet. Yeah I guess the thing is it's bittersweet. I'm trying to figure out if I actually mean something different Where like I like in endgame the good guys lose and it's like yep that happens I mean i'm finna see one. I don't know if I went. I don't know if I want any more of that Um, I mean I I just you don't see a lot of it. That's all you don't you don't see a lot of it. Yeah But I'm definitely down with the more We won at a cost or we had to learn like this this we we learned some valuable lesson kind of thing where it's not just everything's just Punky dory dandy at the very end. There's some aspect of I mean it's good that we won But man shame about that's that's that Yeah bittersweet. I was going to say free is up rolled on in part by a kid detective or I really like that ending. Um that felt honest to me and I uh Yeah, I I think it's just um Whether good guys win and it's all really happy. It's like that is just so much the common thing That I do like when the ending actually give a little bit of consideration to Maybe things didn't work out as well as you wanted I think in wrecks don't like happy endings. No, I do I prefer happy Why would they say that? Why? That is not my that is not my take I do like happy endings. I just would like to see a few more stories that uh That are like 100 percent Perfect. Yeah. Yeah. Where things are a little bit like You could still have a happy ending that isn't ideal. Yeah, of course Hi mubes frongo and raggles. Hello Hello Hey Self-shame time. I'm 31 and I've never seen pulp fiction. What movie the uh What movie have you yet to see that's passed you by I think is what they're trying to ask Pulp fiction Wait, you haven't seen pulp fiction No, I haven't actually Wow Fair enough What's your answer for that would read? Um, I mentioned I've started reading 2001 the book. I have not seen 2001 the film and that's one that I want to see I have see that um I know plenty about it just through like pop culture references and everything so I basically already know what the movie is and full I uh I think I was asked this on real bbc finally enough and I I went to just IMDb's top movies of all time and the first one I hadn't seen the list I think was city of god. I've not seen that Like in the top 30 or something Because I'm not sure It's probably something more obvious Um, but I'm just not sure exactly which one. I haven't seen that. I've seen a lot of movies. I'm a big old movie nerd I was saying the decent chunk of movies um Can we make fridging synonyms with killing please someone is a serial fridger or someone goes on a fridging spree And then they fridge themselves Fridging spree I could see how we could use fridging themselves that could that could be useful stop here Fridging is an epidemic has to be stopped Tear it out from the roots White the slate clean burn it down. Nobody's gonna get that right Yes, um, it's uh pirates of caribbean Hey, no, it's not you know, it's not I meant uh office space See he's silent because that was right. Oh wait. Okay. Stop it It's um, so the mario movie with bob hoskins, right? No, it's okay. You don't It's um the whale movie jules Uh, that's a shark like you're just messing with me now. All right. I think that's uh, that's a shark. That's a unicorn Unishark Sharky corn Um broke i'm the protagonist of my life woke i'm the villain of my life bespoke reject modernity embrace nbc mpc sir Uh, while I don't always agree with everything as p says I think the videos provide interesting talking points But in her video about kaiju. She says king kong is super racist Due to him being an allegory for black people high rags I never thought that I I don't think I've ever heard that before that's new to me. So that's the opposite take Also, I have no idea rags. Are you about to say you've never do you know the connection for king kong and black people? just In terms of like the the villagers I would assume that the racist part would come from the villagers On skull island might be depicted as racist.  So i'm trying to think of how this would translate for something You know, like if someone was to say blah blah blah as anti-capitalist That you like it's actually cruel to capitalists Capitalism it's immoral or something usually like wait by being that Um, yeah, because I remember that when in peter jackson's kong that the the whole idea is it's tragic Like this animal with living here in its home it got pulled out of its home and they got killed for it Um, like it's unfortunate.  Yeah, I would I would have jumped to something else before that like Like like colonialism no one benefits from it Like you might think that you do like the people did like the the white people did But they didn't actually benefit from it, you know, it's it's like, uh That would be what I would go to first, but there's probably a number of messages you could pull from it Um It's just like the the aspect of you can't control nature Um, you know things of that things of that nature don't punch above your weight class essentially um, but Yeah, I I never I never ever watched that and And and thought it was racist or had racist messages If someone said like the fact that there's allegorically a connection to slavery or something and that It's a gorilla. Therefore racist.  God damn it Someone uh, someone said isn't it racist to compare black people to grills in the first place So the the idea here, too Is that you've kind of almost trapped yourself out of an option Because when it comes to like animals that you could use to portray something else because Animals are very symbolic depending on cultures and whatnot The idea that you want to say, okay I want to portray this group of people this race this culture this kingdom this whatever Using an animal and that animal needs to be super strong, right? You might think oh a gorilla would be a perfect option for that where it's It's strong. It could have brutish force and that sort of thing And you're sort of because of the connotations you're excluded from using that as a symbolic way to represent certain people So you it's been locked out of use essentially in a way If you had a film full of animals that talk and stuff and the and the free spirited sort of Patriotic one is an eagle.   She was identifying all these things that come with The trope, but they're also in good things. So it's like, uh A little confused here I know this isn't appropriate, but I But it still kind of is since it is was my money being spent on you dumbo So do super chats get shared with rags and fringy?  So It's like, yeah, freeing rags can have the sandwich. I guess I'm only you can have one too Jesus damage Um uncle own and aunt baru were fridged via barbecue ice burn With poor lads Fridge via barbecue Um, if so, what of the percentages also play ddlc Fucking you'd be dreaming if I'm going to tell you all the things that go on to the background of e-fap It'd be in frigging rags.    I think they meant to say chat. We called you a chat I'm a chat. I'm a window that scrolls chat on it Well, there you go. Mel said breath the wild is a terrible game. Damn That's not I'm I'm expecting lots of reddit threads.   Yeah for what I saw Dude that one video for suicide swan.   Just tell me whether or not it's any good She's like if an alien made an algorithm to pretend to be a person Uh, yes, I will give you the tomatoes for your movie score. You know, it just has that vibe to it They push tomatoes towards you other when you ask them. How good is my movie? She just had a little basket but some of the tomatoes down like what what what are we what? What what's happening?  No, actually.  She's dead Oh Um blanket on popcorn popped e-fap covering female. Yep. It's misogyny time Hey, there. Welcome to misogyny time Uh, you watch bazook, which one the 1997 series of 2016 one? Oh the good one at least by comparing those two Uh, or did you watch the 2012 movie trilogy? No, no, no, no, no No, no No Uh, despite only making up 15 percent of characters women account for nearly 50 percent of fridging incidents also high rags Oh my goodness. Hello Rags you're straight get to the bottom of this Oh, wait. Oh, no, I'm not. No, sorry. I made a mistake. They said hi rat. It's the way the line broke up Longo, you're straight. All right. I'm straight for now. I guess And uh frongo give me your and it just ends No Oh, sorry, buddy. I don't want to give you that beat Give me that no It's his Um on almost all characters secondary the argument is of less female primary character doesn't change how many secondary characters are women Oh, yeah, I think she says at one point like typically there are less primary characters that are women And it's just like at that point it's probably negligible in terms of all secondary characters Like changing out how many primary or women That's fair When I'm outlining stories if I have like a main character and a villain I refer to them as like the a plot and b plot respectively when I'm outlining But um, I don't consider One to be like of less importance than the other like Heroine I kind of see me like yeah secondary usually just means they just don't have as much time Or it's not as much about them like it's never you it doesn't mean like they're fucking worthless or anything Yeah, I only use a and b to like distinguish them on paper Mm-hmm Um mohler racism and unbridled praise when Christmas Uh mohler you've been a little short lately. I just wanted to ask if everything is okay I need my long e-faps to get through the workdays high rags Well, I mean, you're still getting um, obviously you've had what was it four e-fap movies this month So that's probably uh, and we're still dropping them minis and you got double e-faps this week Yes, we had I think we had two five hour e-faps in a row Um, we're just terrifying for the audience. I know but um I mean, I because I'm doing a couple more shows lately on different channels. Um So like it's just a little bit stretch for the thin, but I am all right. I am a okay I'm always too busy working on the polio vaccine and unbridled catastrophe Yes, my magnum opus Um Women's rights and unbridled catastrophe. All right. This is minor buffy spoilers And then it says a thing that um, yes, that makes complete sense and um That is indeed the episode that goes from I think it'll be the episode Hopefully the rags of mel will both be like, oh the show isn't entirely shit anymore. I'll be like, yay That's usually the one where it kind of changes it up Been enjoying the show a lot really looking forward to the great seasons. Oh, yes Let's just say if you're on board by season three, you're in for a real fun, right? Um, some people take a little longer though. That's all right Being a bligh when you're gonna bring drinker to justice for his crimes against good rat Like I'll I'll make him watch a series of videos I'll eventually make for bligh and then I will poke him with hot Poke a rod things and be like say bligh good do it. They're good Uh, hey mola rags and fringy. Hello Hello there of these adult video game characters.  Wait, didn't we do this one? I recognize these names you did it last time didn't you rags you looked at them you looked them up Which ones Uh, no, these are oh, yeah, I remember that even yeah Uh, well, let me let me the first one.  Uh, so yeah, said die. Yo kawakami And the next one is tai takemi Oh, whoops tai takemi. My right hand was off one position All right, so these appear to be lady Lady characters looks like they're from persona five um So let me see I guess based on looks Hmm more weeb stuff. Mm-hmm.   Yeah, she seemed teachery.  It's just that the last story didn't Zombie deer. Yeah, that's right. Zombie do Man zombie birds you gotta watch out for them. You get a couple one good peck Breaks the skin and you might be uh, you might be in trouble there Um, I thought it was weird how the main character's told to take the rear But he ends up being in the middle. He actually ends up being in front I think by the time they get through the full first fight.  I'm totally fine with that I just it does feel uncanny when you see messages like hey, let them finish. Hey, why are you pausing so much? It's like wait a minute.  Who are you? Where did you come from?  You're like, why are you what is this? Let them talk And if if their argument were to become clear at the end of it I'm sure you guys would address that right I can see by the end of this video what she was getting at but That didn't really happen with this Well, I saw it like in the train to Busan when someone was like, wow, they took a parody seriously And I was like, it's like they don't even listen to us when we cover stuff It's super explicit about all of that. It's just like no parody.    Well Hmm Um, no one's a better term for this red shooting. She's describing random Star Trek deaths Um Well the thing about red shoots is that they don't necessarily motivate anybody to do anything That's what fridging seems to be regarding specifically It's not just someone dies. It's that they die to make a different character Want to do a thing and thus it's disrespectful to them as a character It seems to be the point I'm making um Check out the nerf limited halo needler very cool The limit the what now I guess the nerf have made a halo needler nerf halo needler images The gun in halo, right? That's like a dark dark untoy version.   It doesn't it doesn't look cool. Does it ranks? No, it doesn't See different versions Yeah, the nerf one is Like you can tell it's a needler, but What a picture I've seen is a digitally rendered one. Okay Uh Fridge my gf, please I need to grow as a person Uh Joel jesse and team abby the last of us two is fridging the game Fridging the game meaning um Yeah, again, I have a feeling that she wouldn't say that the last of us two counts. I'm not sure though Is that she thinks a lot of stuff counts? I don't know Um What an example of fridging is the townspeople in Wanda vision Hmm.  It's just for him. That's true. That suffering is just for her Does what I mean? Like you start it's so expansive that it starts to just be like absurd Uh luke never mentioned bigs at all between dinner at the last house until he shows up at the end And never mentions him again after he dies, but nobody believes he didn't mourn him hashtag linda fridge It's weird. Yeah, man. It's really It's really hard to be definitive like our luke clearly didn't care about uncle Owen and our brood you're like Luke didn't care about hain well Ryan johnson almost made it so that he didn't Um apologies for the typo. I'm no problem. No problem. No problem Speaking of titanic lego is releasing a six hundred dollar set of the ship It's massive and you can find it in the coming soon section of the lego website Sounds neat the what? Coming soon section of the website Yeah, but what what is what is it? Oh, uh titanic ship six hundred dollars I got you Can you fridge yourself and stumbles the old republic the mmo from bio where doth malak I don't know if this is a spoiler or not killed a woman. He loved to eliminate his weakness But he did use the grief to empower himself iraq Hi I would ask me like that's not sense. Uh, sure. I assume that counts fridging yourself That's fridging someone else. Yeah, you're it's like I assumed that would count.  I could understand luke being quiet about his parents dying Um, he's just got a lot going on is the point He's got oh Yeah, leia's like, oh your parents died. Oh your parents died. Wow. That sounds really bad luke Man, I can't imagine that that must be real.  Wow She does good solo, but he's uh Like morning ban as well. There's leia's a good one. Yeah, she does. Yeah, she's a good one She's a great character. I wonder what will become of her Yeah, because apparently the uh the obi one show is gonna feature her In a significant way. That's what I've heard Oh, okay.  She comes in just to stop the fight. You're like, what why she's not is she even alive?  I am gonna peace out now. I just realized it's half past three and that makes sense. Oh, nice and early Yeah, nice and early Okay, I'm free of the minds tomorrow, right? I can do whatever I want I think I'll allow you to do whatever you want. Yeah, like laws and stuff more amnesia Alrighty, goodbye mortal Yeah Long flying flying have a good one. Yeah gonna fridge myself. Mm-hmm There he goes fridge in himself fridge in peace Is it just me or are there a lot of jump cuts in her video? Uh, she had a couple flash frames throughout the clip. She was using I don't know about yeah, if that's what you mean. No, it's it's it's kind of a messy video. It wasn't very well edited Did she just unintentionally create fridging of the author? Uh I usually enjoy overly sarcastic productions content, especially when they talk about greek myths and such but this is just painful to listen to Oh, yeah, it was They stick to greek myths not geek myths. Ho ho Glad to catch efap live if people won't describe rey as a mary sue fine We can just rename the trope to she's a rey skywalker That's what I mean. It doesn't fix rey as a character to say she's not a very sue.  It's a screen rather. That's what I understand to be true now Uh, while I really like overly suck acid productions a lot of this stuff can be really hit and miss Hopefully red will come on and discuss this She would be welcome to Is othello's wife fridging Um, if someone died and it was a woman. No Oh, well, yeah, that's mona definitely fridging. I think your name is desdemona Fridging in cold. Uh, it is desdemona. Yeah, so No, she doesn't die until like the end Sounds like your opinion But then again, I guess a character can die near the end and it doesn't like you have pad may and You know like like what is like she dies near the end the whole thing but No Well, because he well my spoilers, but Say it molas say the prequel memes I I I I I just mentioned the prequels. I didn't do no no prequel meme and I was no need to do such things We'll find Um, would uncle ben count as fridging we kind of went over that, right?  So Um, unironically, I'd say han and luke's deaths qualify much more as fridging than pad maze Both of them made little sense besides the gut punch um You could argue but what would han steth accomplish With how weird kylo was written. I was about to say because I was I was about to try to argue I guess it motivates kylo to and then i'm like well, but he just does anything so To keep wobbling. Yeah They motivates ray to be angry at kylo for five minutes Then she kisses him at the end and then he dies to save your life after they speech Well in fairness, uh kylo did forgive himself That's that's good. That's great. It's good mental health.   It's like I feel kind of guilty that I killed him But you know what I think that's it's okay It's like oh, okay What do you think me? Uh characters aren't people don't deserve anything Um, oh you mean like there is no deserve with characters or I we use that it's not about deserve.  It's it's at bad level It's so fucking bad Like the the lie commonly agreed upon still is oh the first movie is pretty good and I Well, remember when when daco brought up what as is here and he was like wait, you guys don't like it It's like no On the count of it being poopy We both chose poopy independently at the same time to describe the first wonder woman Well, I guess those have kind of been revealed now So that was the whole reason why me and rags were like interested in starting this whole thing Uh, we described something as poopy at the same time and I was like, you know what that's that's That's true love. That's that's a wavelength right there. And then one day I was like, hey, what do you think of blah blah? And you went there's a bit poopy and I was like rags rags rags you got to see this We have our we have our third host Yeah, it's just as the spiders were told Yes He who speaks poopy shall be the third host of the fact Uh, yes rags. You're right. Also. Hi moeller and fringled Fringoid. Hey Yeah, I agree. That's fair also, hi Love love is a pathway to power somewhat deemed too murderous to younglings. Hi waggleton Hi, however, you're never too murderous to younglings I was about to say though that that kind of highlights the thing, right? It's like addicting slow children I could picture her being like he's not capable of love. I just be like, oh I think she's also a communist to it makes sense. She doesn't understand reality.  I guess it goes back after you use it It goes into we'll know if you destroy it. So what is red skull doing right now? If there's no soul stone to guide is he just hanging out? Oh, well, just having a chill less people know like maybe you can get more than one a little vending machine mini soul stones cabinet somewhere Um, you don't need made up examples of people hurting those they love. There's 1800s blanche mon noir or blanche monnier mother can find Blanche to a dark room for years because she disapproved of the fiance police released her. She couldn't speak People do horrible things to the people they love. That's a thing Not like yeah, they still love craft's mother was super paranoid.   You got a lot more. Trust me. Also. Oi there rags rugs. Hello. I don't think um I don't think I ever said that she said that she thinks all tropes are bad Just that this one was bad Uh, this is like fridging someone is something you shouldn't do and then she lines up what fridging is and then she's Accidentally said that loads of great stories shouldn't have done things the way that they did them. It's like, hmm Which could be valid, but I don't think she meant what she eventually implied And I'd love to go over some examples with it Um, how dare this villain do this villainous thing?  Yeah, I think that's exactly it I think that she hates Thanos so much that it shouldn't be considered that what he has for Gamora in any way could be considered love What great riding. It's the thing. It's a harsh reality for you that love is not some glorious altruistic wonderful happy Balloons and rabbits thing. It's like it's just there's a lot of elements to it. They're a lot more complicated Yeah, we use love and to me in a lot of different ways and there's a lot of different kinds of love It's a it's a complicated thing Um, would it be crossing the line if he killed a sexy lamp? I don't know I don't know if I'd want to Be definitive about that Red is right.   We gotta have standards better than that Yeah, we gotta do way better than this guys. I know what you're referring to but it's just I don't drink it for the taste. I drink it for the wieners. I see a wiener on the label. I'm like, I gotta get some of that I gotta I just Everyone in the store and me right now. But Right down the throat Sunny d really is disgusting It is kind of gross. I used to like it as a kid, but it's liquid sunlight. What's wrong with that?  It's it is like orange Acid in your mouth.  It should be thrown out. It should be garbage Garbage it should be it should be dumpstered. My god and garbage got barbaged Capri sun is better. Correct. Capri sun is better. Yeah, I'd agree with that Capri sun is better than sunny d. I haven't had tang in a long time, but tang is probably better than sunny d Uh, was france food and then fridgeed. Yeah I think we've been over that. I'm several times definitely hundred percent fridgeed all we learned about all all the uh, He's the most famous thing he ever did was get shot. Exactly. And that's just unacceptable. He's okay He was very good at getting shot though He nailed it. Yeah Yeah, was he 10 out of 10 because he Because he almost like stumbled into it, you know like it was like a happenstance Like it wasn't really like premeditated the assassination That's why it was so guy. It was just like, oh There he is. There's our sugar fruit Ferdinand talk to that guy Yeah, I wonder I wonder if the person who assassinated him If they knew that it would plunge Europe and more into world war one the great war would they still have done it? What are you mauler? Would you have done it? Even even knowing that it would begin or help begin the great war.  Well, it's something that he told me himself as to why I had to do it. So yes So rags could pre rags could pre in my son.  I don't remember what he said It's something to do a lot. It says it lord rags Your forked tongue. Yes, because some men just want a tangerine. No Imagine if she was here to hear these points the response would be the classic just right um Be glad she's not fans in chat I mean, maybe maybe not.  I don't know My intro to fridging was a video by Carl smallwood. He usually does okay But this video was terrible and he defends captain marvel assaulting the dawn.  How do you defend that? This is one of them like Basic tests moral compass.    What do you mean? He like he lightly touched her map Which is assault then she then she trapped him in a handshake She offered it. That's what she gets.  I mean, I'll be honest with you like it does in retrospect I think we brought this up as well, but it does kind of come across. It's just like a little bit creepy from the people who made it They're like, yeah, suffer man who asked for a smile. You're like, oh boy Oh boy What are you doing Um, I'd like to propose the Dunning Kruger knowledge Dunning Kruger effect Where knowledge of the Dunning Kruger effect makes you more subject to it and more likely to use others of it To abuse it knowing about Oh, like if you know about it, you'll accuse people of it more. That's probably true But I was gonna say that applies to everything that you're not aware. Yeah Like that's what that's why I'm with fallacies saying people found out about them and they were like, there it is I got it. You know, I know you don't got it. I'm like, yeah, I do Yeah, like I never accused anyone of gaslighting me before I knew what gaslighting was right, yeah Like pandora's box being bestowed the gift of uh What fallacies are yeah Pandora's fridge and then you would use it No pandora's fallacy Pandora's icebox Worst writing advice ever from lincara Why would you ever kill a character? That means taking away the ability to tell stories with them? Oh my god Good thing that I could literally invent an infinite amount of characters But how can you square that away with all stories? Like what?  Yeah, that's that's the title of this one Uh, it's been an adventure to say the least Thanos tries to do what he thinks will save the universe osp. Thanos is pure evil. Yeah, what? Well It's it's weird. I would actually like to talk to her about Thanos as well because Especially infinity war Thanos man It's like he's a little bit more complex than man. You can't see past his own chins. You're like well And I swear I pressed a there, but it didn't didn't come up Guy tried to fridge half the universe. Well, that's why he's the villain greatest writer of all time Oh man, I think I'm doing this all wrong. Oh, yeah, I'm supposed to go left Now I'm winning Uh, it's not her fault. She took a women's studies class Oh, well, I mean there's plenty to learn in them, you know about tropes Writing right now though.   It's like overly sarcastic productions tests.  Yeah Uh, Bormie would fall into this too and that's wrong. Also so doing pretty great I'd argue can't wait for the coverage. Love you massives and high rags Hello Um Yeah, I wonder if Bormie accounts or not at this point you sort of give up and just assume everyone who dies Who is a man probably doesn't Um, because she didn't use it. Did she use any male examples of it being bad? Hmm. I don't think so I don't remember you doing it In this video her vision of gadelb every position she has is insane Well, yeah, but we don't like to put everything in gadelb from every video. Otherwise, it'll be 10 years long Um morning moeller and lads morning Also, hi rags Good to see you guys covering this video. I normally like osp's content But this one was noticeably badly written when I watched it.  You know them to be true. I honestly don't quite love that video because oof Curious what some of her other takes are they can't all be bad. I assume she's got to have some good stuff in there Uh, did vision get a bench? Uh, I guess you could they the vision got a town they Well, so I don't know if the joke's big made or if you're serious because like because rags is right He got a whole tv show related to his death. So Uh You may not have got a bench scene and thus You could argue there's more criticism to levy against him in terms of the trope Because he qualifies the same as black widow does Um and and didn't get any scenes like that But then again, she said he had a whole tv show about someone grieving for his death So I guess she would say that that's more Um Jackie Chan and arnie's movie ox when? Oh, I think that's definitely on the list Um, not sure when though also ever watched a new police story. It's a it's a chan movie Um No, also thoughts on face chappelle I assume I meant dave chappelle. I like him a lot. I find him funny. It's not very very funny Very funny and uh get a lot of insight listening to him. Glad he's still working Wanted to keep going don't stop but if he wants to take a break. That's fine Um And hi alice They must be referring to the resident evil movies Um, but yeah, I have not seen that movie reference in there We'll have a go at good ol jackie chan and arnie's movies at some point. I imagine Yeah, maybe I think we're long overdue for a batman well movie Um, maybe we'll get one. Who knows Maybe hopefully Samuel jackson deep blue sea very sudden Yeah, well, I mean nobody thinks that movie's good though. So it's a bit But um That's an e-found movies movie right there Yeah Castlevania seasons one and two are great three and four. Ah Oh I hear that.  Oh my god He needs to get a roof replaced I mean if it's if it's in disrepair then yeah, I completely agree Yeah leaks are bad You got to fix leaks because water damage can yeah, it's it's subtle sometimes but you got to take care of that You can't let it faster But yeah, uh, you know make sure your roof's all right everyone Check your roofs Call roofers Um, I wish Ra was here for this video imagine Oh If only Uh The wife at the beginning of up had almost no screen time with no dialogue It's still crushed everyone.  So what can you say? Um, you don't even need to go to story to know that people love heroic sacrifices We still talk about heroic sacrifices from battles that happened thousands of years ago the battle of thermopylae is a big one It was a bizarre statement she made and I have no idea how to deal with it People don't really like the heroic sacrifices like you would say Yeah strange person to think that Uh, mr. Freese's wife in batman and robin is a character who got fridged But has no character whatsoever and only exists for the sake of his character. She's also in a literal fridge Yeah, well, uh, you're not allowed to do that bad That's what I meant, but that's that's a good example If you just meet up with this guy who's doing all of these evil things you find out he's got a wife and like Perpetual frozen. I don't know what science he's using exactly because obviously it's uh high-fivesh, but Is that it's like oh the story would be better if we knew her really well It's like I don't know that we have to spend time on that We understand what's happening here and if the story is strictly about him, that's okay Um We don't care about john wick's wife. We care about how her death affects him Yeah, I I feel like john wick would be one for her to have to address Again all under the guise as well of the she keeps appealing to how the audience don't like these things It's like they clearly do The best anime is actually australian and if you can't guess what it is sassy is going to be disappointed tbls I have no idea. I don't know what that is australian anime. I have no idea What are you talking about beat?  I have no idea Is it was it's tws tbls Oh the big ledge. Oh, there you go.  I don't think that one Yes, totally You can't believe what it makes you do. Oh god The infinity stones are not macguffins. They are essential stop using it wrong, please Uh, we've been over it on you for a couple times. It's become a little bit colloquial to just say item of importance um as opposed to Uh, I think the classic definition for it is literally that it's a an item that we never know what it does But it's one that's sought after Um, also I use the loot. I'll be right back. Mm-hmm Pulp fiction being a classic example. There's something in that briefcase that a lot of people want. We never know what it is Mm-hmm Does she want a Tolkien-esque length sort of backstory for every character and if character has to die it has to be meaningful to avoid fridging This is something of an issue. I think that eventually will happen is that um There can be no character that is killed That doesn't have a sufficient amount of information about them to know their their hopes and dreams and how that's It's tragic that they've lost their chance to achieve them or something like that Um, if you are ever pulled over and have all the drugs in your trunk Tell them you've seen a spider in the back left corner Do you see the spider? But why? I don't understand. What's that? Is that? Am I missing something? Yeah, no idea Very well Uh, you want the truth you want the truth. There is no fridge.  I mean, it's just kind of mind-blowing. Sorry. I have to appreciate that for a moment I just keep wondering how she got into arch's living room and when he's going to throw her out My god It would be funny if that was her. She just breaks into people's houses and to record and He's like, okay Uh, is she one of the narrators for watch mojo? I've got no clue She did remind me she sounded like a but I would imagine she isn't Uh, I read the mortal engines book not perfect But lots of potential with easy fixes and with uh with polish with exception to the third book The movie is horrid. I have only heard bad things about the movie. Yeah Like not only did it flop it was Like it's just something that no one enjoyed which is kind of interesting, right? See a movie that no one likes that is yeah Um, I'm three hours behind someone like oh, yeah, there's probably somebody who was like no, I was pretty cool actually All three of them I'm three hours behind but I've been waiting for you guys to cover overly sarcastic productions There are a lot of bad takes from trope talks king Kong is racist and the defensive ray from tlj I racked Oh, they've been telling us that it's Who's before tlj came out So who knows? All right I want to see a react to a landing craft full of women take on an mg42. Oh Well, you see We would say that all the men in indeed. They were were uh fridged, but They ain't women Fridged and melted a perfect balance No Melted and then put into a forage imagine that If you had to choose between fridging or getting melted, which would it be also high rags So if we're talking about These scenarios leads your death death by cold or Melted I guess it's like the idea I go I don't know. There's there's probably a correct answer this and by that. I mean at least painful one out of the two Or at least extend it. I wonder if cold is the better way to go. I'm not sure Well, you could survive in a fridge and not melt because it's not a freezer, right?  Well, I wouldn't want to prolong my death in an enclosed space like a fridge. So maybe melting's the way to go Just get it over with somehow melting sounds more painful than burning. Um, even though Like we don't really melt, right? Or just I have to get how skin reacts to heat in different ways I think you melt with lava Could be felons. Oh, wait. No, that's not true Your skin can melt Um, in that case, you might just be right then it's if we have to choose melting or die from dehydration Gas melting and be quicker ultimately Mm-hmm Is the warm movie arc still coming to eFap also high green shad Hey Oh, hi. Uh, yeah, it's still recording. The problem is just the the cast for it We have to find particular times to be able to get it done. So it's just uh ongoing World anvil is free, but there's a subscription for additional features Fair enough Um got introduced to eFap through one of your friday night tights appearances Here's some change for some dog treats for rags and some i don't know subjective opinions or whatever it is You eat more. Thank you very much Glad to see some folks from friday night tights. It is a bit a bit of a different vibe over here, but hopefully not one That's too alien And thank you. Yeah, um, did alex bouldwin fridge his cinematographer? Oh, no And the cinematographer died the director was injured. Uh, yeah, well, that'll be Wait, what image is that? Oh, there's like some spider-man still scoped uh in a magazine People are mad Uh, why? Um the color grading Oh, so wait, these are actual like Final images the one on the left is the color grading and the one on the right here Uh, sorry the one on the left is the actual screenshot the one on the right is color graded differently And yeah, they are stills from the movie. Oh, I guess they don't like that. It's a little bit faded out Yeah, but that's all marvel movies though. Why are you picking on spider-man? Oh, they picked on civil war bit if I remember I know patrick Oh, yeah a bit on civil war, but then they ignore all the other movies like shot white Where was the post with shong chi about the color grading? Look at that So someone said y'all think color grading is like the most important thing of all time and then the response is I think making a movie about superheroes look realistic is the least important thing of all time like well But so then it's just up to the beholder then yeah at that point It's like they're so smug about being 100 right whenever they bloom the colors, but it is kind of like well They color coded that way on purpose I don't know Just feels like the the people who say there are no wrong answers or right answers are the ones that always say This is how to properly color correct it like. Oh, yeah Um, is rag snow in the fridge?   No I kind of like how marvel makes their colors pop Well, uh, you get different responses in different things right guardians is much more colorful than civil war, for example Oh, yeah, and civil war is not a is very grounded. Hey back Sorry, I had to take care of something. I am I am back. No problem Um, my first full live length efap was uh, this was good as an aspiring writer. This video was really odd People the good work high rags Oh, hello. Yeah, this would be an odd one if you're a aspiring writer I think so. Yeah, I feel like any writer would have listened to some of the stuff she's saying and been like wait But wait wait, but wait like over and over again This is like a direct snow temperature and moisture Uh, loved your machine for pig stream waller can't wait for house of ashes spoiler It looks like garbage gonna see if I could buy the machine for pig soundtrack now. You all gay Yeah, man, that's good stuff and uh, yeah, we're we're gearing up the check house of ashes out. I'm sure it's gonna be top notch Uh, in mask of sorrow, Diego and Alejandro both have a loved one fridge To kicks off their journeys and leads them to team up together to seek revenge. Yeah, it's a bad film Everyone knows it bad.   So Joel just be fridging everyone Um Do you uh, this is a peace offering high rags Hello goodness How you guys tell bag in an end of acts in oh, how do you tell the beginning and end of acts in films? uh usually the end of a Uh, see so it's going to be the end of a scene in the beginning of a scene That'll be where you're looking but then the particular scenes um The most obvious break I think is between act two and three But you can make the mistake sometimes It's usually just you put everybody who's driving the store in a low point and they got to rise up to the challenge and win in the end Um, I finally act one is usually at the end when we've done our introductions for everything and things start to develop But um, I think sometimes we vaguely off at a point of no return Yeah, like you you can't really return to the situation you were in before Sometimes you draw the line visually Like, uh, I was thinking about that movie the maze runner where it's like all in one scene But in in the middle of the scene They run into the maze and the doors close behind them And even though it doesn't time jump to a new scene in that instance I would say that's the line that you draw where it's like, okay We're in act two now because the doors have literally shut behind them and there's only going forward um, sometimes you can draw the line I think, uh inside a character's head where they They make a decision they've like they observe something and then something transforms in their head and they've chosen A certain course of action and you can you can draw the line there to um You can draw it in a number of places Usually it's between like one scene and another and the preceding scene Is the the main character makes a decision to go one way and you there's no going back Uh, do any of you have a p.o box? My 10 year old has made some stuff. He wants to send Mola Fringian rags 10 year old Probably shouldn't yeah, we're not yeah We're not we're not child. We're not a child friendly thing Um as for p.o box, I'm gonna try and sort something out. Um, I don't know if either of you have anything to do with it like that I don't Maybe in the future, but not right now. Yeah um Have you played overlord one and two? I don't think so. Do you have you guys or any of you guys rather? No No, no a fun Pikmin like game. Also, you should watch hocus pocus. It's a goofy movie to watch for halloweeny also yo rags Yo, we probably will do hocus pocus at some point The good old fashioned witch movie Uh, grape mary kills samus kratos master chief Why have you put white white grape is in there? Why? Rape, I don't know if I have the power to grape them So why would you put that in there? Yeah? Yeah. Yeah, I don't yeah not doing that Next super chat. Yeah, I was gonna say it's disqualified if you put that in there, uh Don't worry, right?  I think fair enough Uh You mentioned you'll do a transformers movie arc in the future But I was wondering if you plan on watching the 1986 animated transformers movie If I was to watch that probably wouldn't be fat movies I doubt it's probably just like a normal animated film rather than like the transformers movies by michael bayer just fucking hilarious in lots of ways I don't know if that would be included in like an efab arc In regards to the speedster animals one of the 14 airbud movies contains pets with superpowers Including super speed 14 Yeah That's probably not even a joke. No, I think there probably is 40. Oh my goodness Um, it's like the land before time civilian It's a series before limits Super buddies get on it. I mean Sounds interesting I guess Uh, any of y'all seen avengers earth's mightiest heroes really good animated show that got cancelled after two seasons high rags and free Hello, I've not seen I have not seen it Uh rags could the terminator beat the mothman? I don't know. I don't know much about the mothman. Sure, right? If he's you can shoot him with guns, right? And the terminator is really tough. It's gonna be half of the mothman to kill terminator presumably I don't know about the mothman's powers. So Unless you can like melt metal with his mind powers. I feel like the terminator is gonna have this But maybe I'm wrong Mutually a friend holds that simpsons is bad and not funny until seasons made after the movie Is he from opposite dimension a living error? I mean Yeah, you know every bit opinion is valid.  Sorry for the late super chat. I'm in rewind time. No problem. Um, and yeah, I I wouldn't even I don't I I don't I wouldn't say I have no idea how good the historical content is. So I would have a bit of concern after seeing that one, but you know, let's see Well, there's five airbud movies seven airbuddies movies and two santa paas movies that belong to the franchise Hmm geez I bet that's not even counting like the spin-offs with different animals like most valuable primate post Primate, which is basically the same thing Yeah, I they need to do one that's really strange like Like bmx with the sea urchin or something like that You have to invent how did you possibly learn that this sea urchin was really good at bmx now?  Yeah, uh I don't know. Um Because you say cum bending It'd be really powerful Took me a minute to realize I just had this image in my head.  Oh Ha ha ha got yourself a bad story at that point Uh metal and guests thoughts on god of war from the psp era and endless jess Video on kratos was always deep video if not watch them and tell us your thoughts on stream I don't know who endless jess is i'm afraid uh and I played the first of the psp games and thought it was fine um I've not much got I got much other commentary form. I'm afraid no mel played them recently so Always say recently within the last like year Metal does not like the psp games. Okay, there you go Uh watch sas red notice ruby rose villain character intentionally sociopath diehard style doesn't even have to be an efab I just want y'all to see it Probably will at some point we've got to see the the the back door man or whatever the film was called as well Any of y'all fans of the advanced war series they're putting it on the switch finally I don't know I played um, it's okay. I played dual strike and days of ruin and I liked them uh pretty decently so I think I like days of ruin better I thought I don't remember much. It was a long time ago Hmm Hatisms I would just like to share that I've noticed a strange thing about os ps chanel I'm not sure All of their musk myth series makes it onto youtube trending regardless of how it performs look at their community tab They are cataloging the foul play themselves I I've got no clue. I'm completely out of the loop on that I don't even try to appease the algorithm.  Yeah, just like You know, it feels like they're better approach, you know, just Whatever just make what you want to make hope for the best Yeah Hello efab and high rags Hello I'm planning on getting a gaming pc in a desk for it. I know nothing about computers any suggestions um Look up bills online Yeah, you gotta look up bills online Gamers nexus and line is tech tips and all those guys You know just kind of be aware of the relationship and power of one thing to the other He's going to be a bit pricey right now not as bad as it was but still kind of up there So just be aware of that um Don't forget the thermal paste if you're going to build your own just familiarize yourself with the uh Components what they do what's important what you need, you know, that sort of thing And look up some videos of people building them that'll help There's gonna be people who like make their career from Explaining how best to do this sort of thing. So just uh go shopping on youtube a little bit. I'll browsing rather um There's like a websites where you can like It'll catalog all the parts and you make a list and it'll tell you like Everything's compatible with every other part in your list.  No, no, I've heard of it I was just confused about the whole something about Who the she was the wife of whatever I don't know anything about that. I just know that you shot the dp Well, I'm the director, uh, but the director's alive as far as I know Mm-hmm. Greetings. EFAP hope all is well Do videos you cover have a length limit channel called geek volution has long videos on i-man 3 and winter soldier Love to hear your comments. Hi rex Hello Um, we probably do have a length limit. I'm not sure what it is Especially if it's a video say a video was like three hours long, but it made loads of really bad points and Supremely missed like understood some stuff We would maybe try and find a way of doing it, but yeah, I'd say We definitely don't want things to go like over an hour long video would be preferable that's really like hitting the cap because even We did what was that a 20 minute video today and it took like five or six hours For a while Doesn't youtube have a 10 hour hard limit 11 hours and 45 minutes is the stream Video length you can go as long as like I think videos 10 hours. I think is it. I thought videos can be way longer than that All right, uh, maybe just type in longest video on youtube and I'm pretty sure you can find like well No, you're right actually because I've got a playlist All right. No well 11 hours 59 minutes and 59 seconds is the playlist. I have open of relaxing nintendo music It's maybe this 12 hours Yes, very to jump slash grow big too Rags look up pieces interactive soma writer started working this semi recently as creative director also high arcansoias also high rags hi Let's see Pieces interactive have released over 10 titles on pc console, blah blah blah Puzzle getting fret nice leviathan warships robo surf kill to collect as well as work for hire and title set on magica 2 civil tlcs for magica um Titan quest All right, all right something Yeah, he's still in the industry, you know working. So hopefully he gets a riding gig somewhere. Yeah Uh, if I remember correctly the girl from osp goes by red on the channel has admitted She doesn't understand love well in other videos Thanos take bad that may be why though. She doesn't understand love What does that mean? I'm just lost now. Yeah, well, no. Is she a serial killer? Well, he said don't set it very well, maybe she's just got some gaps in the knowledge about it Opinions on the future armor movie series I like a lot of them. There's four of them, right? I think there are four. Yeah Um, yeah, I like them a lot from what I remember. I like the first one the most I think the uh The triumphant return Bender's big score. I think it is right Bender's big score was the first one I think And then there was the beast with the building back Mm-hmm Oh It's quite the orgy Yeah blank and Bender's big game. That's another one. I think yeah Um Rags nice to hear you like praise 2017. Do you have thoughts on the dishonored series? Maybe by the same developers also high racks? Uh, hi, uh, I don't remember much of the first dishonored I didn't play that much and it was so long ago, but I really really like dishonored too Arcane they make some good stuff Hi, Mola is a breadcrumve trail throughout the stories Surrounding the villain far too tropey i.e. leaving the viewer to pick up the pieces Oh, do you mean like when they're not explicit about who the bad guy was you can only pick it up from details? Maybe like all along and stuff I don't know if that's tropey is it? I don't know What do you mean just the the villains revealed at the end and you could have picked it up? Had you looked at different things that were happening throughout or something because Yeah, I'm fine with both of those Though I don't know that I would describe something as a trope and therefore bad You know, yeah So I uh, I guess when they say too tropey do I think it happens too often in this case now Have any of y'all read the frictional blog post amnesia rebirth five months later and solace soma sells one million copies They address some criticisms, but not fear flashes I think I read some of it the other day funnily enough. I was just like This is on my mind because I'm out about your flash me.   No, no look. We're up to eight hours today Yeah, we're doing it Uh, if you ever talk about a global language again, look up the power language index. It's a decent list of the top lingua francais of the world frank Interesting, uh, should I watch hateful eight rating out of ten? I like it. I'd recommend it. Yeah, it's good rating out of ten. I don't know what I'd write it, though Um I don't I don't know actually I need to re-watch it Definitely not my favorite. It is but good. No, it's favorite. I don't think it's anybody's favorite There's a couple of things I didn't like in it, but there's a lot that I do like in it. So Yeah, can't quite put a number on it. Yeah, I'd have to re-watch it I really liked Kurt Russell in that movie. He was great Yeah, he was awesome.  I I don't know. I don't know.  So just kill him Well, I guess we presumed that that's not what's gonna happen, right? Is that what we're presuming? I guess it might not then we'll flip it around. Yeah, maybe that's my mistake Yeah, I'll just go with it via the movies. They're part of the ego in that case.    Hi rags and friggy. Yeah, figgy gib. Oh, okay Um I I I feel like that one answers itself, you know everyone everyone understands exactly Which you choose for those three easy 100% everyone knows everyone choose the same thing Next super chat mentioned a long time ago, but still think you should do a year end episode called the fappies We'd love your vision of the oscars and the razzis for best Fappies. Yeah, we've we've talked about it before uh as a potential the thing is Like I don't know that we we see enough Brand new movies to be able to make it like a meaningful competition Because if we see let's say 10 new ones per year and a couple of random older ones and then a few maybe indie or foreign stuff And it's just like it's gonna be so limited by our perception But maybe instead we could just copy whatever the nominations from the oscars are that year and then do our own results It's possible And then throw in a couple of funny categories Anything would be better than the oscars Yeah If you don't know what's happening that is the biggest compliment you can give because that means you aren't questioning what's happening black widow director Whoa, what? You don't know what's happening. That's the biggest compliment you can give because that means you aren't questioning what's happening What? That's not a quite is it? I I can't know for sure That's what they've said I'll I'll paste it in chat so you can google it as a statement if you want to see if you can find anything, but That's pretty dumb What I learned today is that everyone who died at the end of Man of Steel got put into separate fridges Hashtag release the fridge cut. No, it's just one big fridge. They all got shoved into it Release the fridge cut Has rax seen rahul koli's joker impression also be hags Be hags I'm assuming you haven't it was on twitter.    Do you think the cis would have a good chance of fighting against the flood since they use a droid army? We actually uh, that came up, didn't we? Yeah, I think the answer is yeah, they probably would Even taking into account the uh, the the ai infection thing logic plague, I think Uh, hello rags care for a howling match. Winner doesn't get put in the fridge No, why would I play that I don't know how to see who's got the coolest how Well, I guess rags feels like he wins by default, which is fine. I do win by default.  Um Where are you on watching batwoman also? Hi moeller. We've completed season two I believe there is soon to be a third episode of season three out So we're gonna have to start set up to record them again as well So, but yes, we complete season two Oh, you'll you'll all see eventually. You'll all see Uh dune was a two and a half hour waste of time. Damn Wow Oh boy spring daddy g what led to the addition of the nose to your pfp as I recall it was just a green spider man before, right? It's not real. I mean, it's not an additional nose. Let's say, um It's a plague doctor mask So why did you add the nose? I didn't have the nose plague doctor masks have noses. What are you talking about? um Beaks Yeah, I mean, it's just it's just a mask guys. Gosh Weirdos, thanks for giving me the incentive to finally watch the train to busan dvd burning a hole in my cabinet Also, how are you everyone not named rags? Oh Oh, hi. Hi Hey there Um, did did john fridge himself in an tc? Yes Climbed in closed the door Enough said Okay, you're not a short man today. I forgive today. Oh my god So I see the line between short and long man is somewhere between like six and eight hours All right Um Mihai me cheeks sent me hi rags Oh, I know him He died recently. The high cheeks sent me high. Oh, did he? He went to the great cheeks up high He got sent to the Mihai got sent to the high cheeks Well said Uh, hi y'all. So grape soda or juice, which would you prefer? Uh, depends on the juice I'm not too fond of grape soda or orange soda So I'm gonna go with juice because it could be a yummy juice. It could be like a pomegranate juice, you know something like that As long as it's not sunny day Mm-hmm Um I went to toilet when they were setting up the third act in the venom sequel I came back shortly after and the movie was almost over bad pacing well Pace is complex Like the idea that there's a short third act. I'd be like, I don't know that's bad on its own But uh, maybe maybe I haven't seen it. Um red is asexual makes sense. She doesn't get love Oh, I've got I got no clue. It's completely out of the loop on that one. I don't care Uh, did Hawkeye help Black Widow blow up Dracoff's daughter?    All right. Yeah, we can skip it if you uh, yeah, we can skip if you want I'll just say they I'm sure they know the answer easy to figure out again Uh, yes, the black widow director said that in assembled on disney plus uh It was assembled Uh, it's like they're behind the scenes like they do an episode where it's like, hey, we here's how we made this So they've done it for like all the shows and black widow It's a pretty great quote said that in the interview for that is I If you don't know what's that's that's just weird. Surely you'd love it if people know exactly what's happening I mean you've communicated it very well But I would have thought I don't get that spring is wrong. He can't know 2001 until he sees it at least three times Right you see it three times ring. I'll I'll be watching it for sure. Yeah Uh for the fappies instead of movies movie critics We could do that.  They're all gonna. Yeah What is the reaper virus? Is it the uh indoctrination thing? I'm not sure.  Oh, no. Yeah, I know Yeah, I was but it's not is that a virus or is it this like a weird mind control thing? I don't know I'm not sure. I'll be qualified. It's mind control. Really.   Yeah, we're saying they're all bad We're in I don't know what reaper virus is but it sounds bad. It also has the word virus So two of them take over you and then the third one just turns you into one of a bazillion different things Depending on which lore you're going with so Yeah, maybe the t-virus will turn me into alice A super powered alice. Yeah, I could get yeah, the t-virus could give me superpowers It could also turn you into a hideous creature that like it's just demanding death. I don't know Well, it'll probably give me superpowers. All right, we'll let you have it Um, uh, you put on some music to set the mood, but all you have a video game soundtracks. Which do you choose? Oh music to set the mood. Um, probably Still aris Still aris is incredible. I uh, I The soundtracks what mood am I going for? Yeah, it depends if I'm going for an epic mood. I might want something else, you know.  You know what? I don't know. Um Alain why you got a lot of jazz in there Ah, yeah EFAP 166 plinkets prequels review do it Uh, we're at 150 something right now, right? We're almost on 60. I don't know about that. I don't know. No promises Yeah, I'm uh I think we will get around to them eventually.  Hi rags Hello overly sarcastic made assertions that gun control is good and guns are bad in their history of the wild west The african history video is very one-sided but to be honest colonization did a lot of negatives When someone says like guns are just universally bad. I do get pretty tired. I'm just saying, okay How very juvenile of you? um She yelena knows how to function in the things she has been trained in but she has no clue how to live as a human That's from florins pew apparently No clue Didn't come across that way Yeah, that's a problem if that was true that would be more interesting. Mm-hmm.  Oh boy. Can you believe it? I know That's uh before we do any kind of heading out John do you like to tell everybody what you're up to these days?  I hope not everyone was was too bored One of my favorite episodes, dude Yeah, that's one of my favorite episodes Definitely in the top hundred I greatly appreciate you guys having me on again just to like go over a video this time. It was really fun Oh, yeah, you bet. It's always fun. Yeah, I love talking to you about writing It's uh, you you had influence on myself and free about writing when we were younger lads those kind of neat. Yeah It's really cool to like take the piss out of uh a video Yeah, especially what there's just all about writing rules that don't work Yeah Yeah, this is a great subject for me to jump in on it's an entertaining topic for me for sure Yeah, and um for those interested the link is in chat and in the description and uh, you'll see more of john Hopefully as time goes on We'll be booking you back in if they make a cruella 2 we'll be doing the We'll be doing the original sequel the 90s sequel and the sequel to cruella All in a row. Oh really it Round two everyone. I love it Um Yeah, a couple more have come in so i'll read these just quick. Uh, did you watch legion yet? No, I haven't seen legion No Uh Just as the founding fathers intended a quote from gearhead The wait gearheads uh rick and morty, right? Or am I making that up? Yes, he is. That's right Right, yeah Uh, did you see the robin williams biopic test footage that came out a few days ago? I thought it was lovely honestly No, I haven't seen anything do that But um biopic or biopic. I don't know Please biopic I have no idea. I know that I switched between them because I've never known which one it's supposed to be Um for the same time. Yeah, I that's something you're gonna want to take great care with a uh robin williams Um Yeah, that's the last one for now. So what I'll say is e-fab Is so we're on we're on saturday sunday and monday Um, I'm actually thinking I think we're gonna try and get squid game finished for you and you and metal rags, but I think sunday I think no promises on this it's gonna be sundial, buddy, but uh another e-fab movies is coming out that is in resident evil Oh Oh my god, I'm pretty sure I said what it was last time and now I'm pretending as though I didn't Are you mean tomorrow? No, he didn't say it. Don't check.   Um, luckily the gameplay basically didn't exist. So yeah, it didn't cause that many issues.  It's a busy spoopy. Wean is a busy spoof. Yes, it is So much homework. No, you you don't have to watch these things We will take care of you no matter what in terms of the events of them, but I'd recommend it It's a nice context and all um So yeah, that's that. Thank you all for joining us. It's this. Thank you so much for staying with us for the Eight and a half hours john. I appreciate it No problem Happy to do it Uh, did a certain footwear on cranium watch the final destination movies with you I have no idea what you're referencing there Not no idea, but uh, yeah, we didn't watch the whole destination Um, but yes with that. Thank you all for watching. I hope you had a good night Is there anything you guys want to say before we when we stop?  Thank you guys for watching. Thanks for donations. We'll see you next time