Hey guys, welcome to the podcast this week. I wanted to record this little bit before and kind of let you know that this is going to be a little different because I'm actually re-releasing the very first episode of Drum History from April of 2018. My guest was Kelly Ray Tubbs and the topic is the history of trap drummers and how that industry just completely went away with talking pictures. It's a really cool episode. Kelly is a great, great person and very knowledgeable. My wife had a baby about five days ago, so I'm just like, I could not find any time to edit the shows that I've already got recorded, but couldn't get him ready to go in time. So I thought it'd be neat to release this first episode again. It's a little different format-wise. It's pretty much the same, but it just sounds kind of different because I didn't know what I was doing, not that I do now, but I hadn't heard it in four years and I loved listening to it and I hope you guys do too. Maybe I'll do this again periodically, kind of re-release some company histories like Ludwig and shows like that, which are way early on, so you may miss them 150-plus episodes in, but this gives you a chance to listen back and learn from those old episodes. So anyway, enjoy this first episode of Drum History Podcast from April of 2018. Hello and welcome to the podcast. We have Kelly Ray Tubbs with us today to discuss trap drummers in the silent movie era. Kelly, how are you? Hi, I'm great. I'm great. Thank you for asking me to join you today. Awesome. It is an absolute pleasure to have you here. All right, so let's get into the topic that we're here to talk about today, the trap drummers in silent movies. In layman's terms, what is a trap drummer and what is he doing in the silent movies thing? What would his role be? A trap drummer. So let's get what the word trap is believed to come from, and that is from the word contraption. And all of those bits and pieces, the whistles and the things that shake, rattle, or roll, as I like to describe them, those were all contraptions and shortened to the word trap. And what we find and what I've found in the images that I have obtained through the years is that trap drummers not only played bass drum and snare drum, cowbell wood blocks, cymbals, just like the early traditional jazz players, but also the whistles, the tuned cowbells. Some people would have a set of eight tuned cowbells, and others would have just a set of four, which would be an arpeggio of some flavor. And whistles, so whistles that would imitate birds or machines or other animals and vehicles, like trains and steamboats, tugboats, just any, and weather would be another category of the kinds of sounds that people would be recreating for the purposes of vaudeville shows.  So the trap drummers, regardless of the setting, would be accompanying these comedic things, these environmental things, nature, so bringing just a little sense of reality to what they're seeing on screen. And originally, music was added into the silent films not to enhance the movie, but to cover up the sounds of the street cars and the cars outside the theater and the people inside the theater and the ventilation fans and the sound of the projector, which was very loud. So it was just used to cover up that, but then they realized that they could really use that music to enhance and to create mood. And then when, you know, they went another layer by adding the sound effects to make it a little bit more realistic by comparison. And that sells more tickets and that gets more people in the seats and gets more drummers hired. Absolutely.  But so you did the series with William F. Ludwig III or Bill or B3, where you guys go through his collection that belonged to, was it his father's collection? Was it WFL II? Was that all his stuff? Father and grandfather. Okay. So you guys go through this amazing history of these, these items they would use that were created to make these sounds. Like this was not like, let's take this thing because it sounds like a horse clopping. Let's take this. It was marketed and sold to these trap drummers. Is that correct? That's absolutely correct. There were several different companies that sold effects that trap drummers would use and typically the percussion companies and the music retailers that went, that sold through catalogs like JW Pepper, which is a company that is still in existence now in Texas. They were around in the early 1900s and they would have catalogs that would sell all sorts of sound effects and whistles, as did the Ludwig company, as did Noakes and Nicolai, as did Yerkes. So there were a lot of different companies because it was such big business. And with Bill Ludwig's collection, these were things that had been sold through the Ludwig company and some of them developed by, for example, the Surefire shot machine. That particular build, that model was exclusive to Ludwig. That is unbelievable that machine, which we can talk about here. Do you want to describe that? Let's get into the pieces they would use. I mean, predominantly the ones we're talking about are designed by Ludwig, but so let's start with the Surefire machine. That is an amazing device. I had so much fun learning about that. He pulled it out of his bag of tricks and I had no idea what it was. I just hadn't been exposed to it. In this way, ignorance is bliss because you get to learn. And that's my deal. It's like, I love learning and so this is just all candy for me. It's like, what is that thing? What is that thing? Hunk of metal with a bunch of holes in it. And then, oh wait, there's a lot more to it than that. There is a lot more to it than that. So if you can imagine a piece of metal, several pieces of metal, they're kind of hinged together. It's very tricky to describe, but it's smaller than a pound of butter, if you can imagine that. So it's not very big. It's just a couple inches tall, but it has a lid on top that opens up and then these wings that spread out and the wings each, if you have the wings closed, there are chambers that are created where you can put in 16 32 caliber blank casings. That's heavy duty. Yeah. The wings are closed. The top hinge is closed. And then there are basically metal buttons, one button that goes over each of the blanks. And so you're able to strike each of the buttons either with a stick or a hammer or a mallet of some sort.  And believe me, I was, I got the got to play that I'm not sure if it's the right word to say it's an instrument, but that device and man, it was loud. I cracked the first one in my ears immediately started ringing and it creates smoke and flames that shoot out these side exit ports from the from this device because that energy has to go somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. So it shoots out the side and there's this huge billow of smoke and it's crazy. I can't even imagine when this device would have been used in a movie theater and there was a, you know, like a big shootout. How much smoke would have filled the theater because they didn't have great ventilation system. No, no, for sure.  I mean, not that that happened, but yeah, exactly. I suspect that they maybe had the surefire machine sitting on a slab of marble or something that would not be conductive to flames. Either that or they just took their chances. I don't know, but you'd think that they would want to have it on something that wasn't going to at least immediately catch fire. And of course, asbestos was was pretty popular back then too. So maybe they just put it on a little flat piece of asbestos, which is its own hole.  But so just to clarify, the surefire machine would be sitting there or surefire instrument is sitting there and you're hitting it to explode these these blanks that sound like a gunshot to match to picture where there would be a shootout going on where there may be you usually don't fire one shot in a shootout. So they would be matching to picture going boom, boom, boom, boom, boom hitting it and to give people the to represent obviously to kind of trick your senses and to think this is happening on screen. And and that's amazing. I mean, that is just so cool. Yeah, exactly. There were a couple of different methods. The surefire machine was one. There was another device that was kind of, if you can think about it as the cushion from a chair. Yeah, the seat cushion. And with these, boy, it's hard to say they were sticks, but beaters. Yep. And they had kind of a flat surface and you'd slap them onto this piece of leather. There was another half to it that was canvas. So you could simulate horses, hooves or gunshots with that device as well. So a couple of different ways to get the same kinds of sounds. But that surefire machine is just an amazing piece of engineering. It's fantastic. You're getting that sound.  It's the real deal. There's no mistaking it. No, absolutely. The real deal. All right, so we got the surefire machine. Now let's run through a couple other ones because again, you have to have your arsenal or your toolbox full of stuff. So train sounds and these are all obviously the cool thing is is you have a video with Bill Ludwig running through all of these. So I really highly recommend listeners going from here to YouTube and we'll have the link provided. But actually just you can see these and you can hear Bill talking about them. These are from the original collection. But so let's talk about the train sounds. I think that's a really cool one, which to me, some of them are like, that sounds like it, but it's not, it's almost 100 years old and it's pretty good. But the train sounds, I am just like, you close your eyes and it sounds like a train. It does. It does.  And I'm not sure. There aren't moving parts except for yourself. Yeah, really moving. So it's hard to call it a machine. It's a little tricky. It defies in some ways the right kind of definition. But if you can imagine, boy, what size box would that be? Kind of the size of a notebook, like a two inch binder. Yeah, something that size, but totally rectangular, like a cigar box with a slot running down one side where you can insert a scraper and that scraper is scraping over springs, just the same kind of springs that you would have on a screen door on the back of your house. And when that scraper is scraped over the springs and done in a rhythmic fashion and that wooden box, it serves as a resonance chamber, it's amazing the sound that you can get out of that thing. And if you were to close your eyes and not even have the visual image to guide you to the thought of that's a train, it still sounds like a train. It doesn't. And you start with the jump, jump, jump kind of building up in speed. And I remember Bill talking about how there was a, it almost looks like a file that you put in there and you rub against the springs. And I imagine discovering these and creating them must have been a blast just to say, hey, that sounds like a train. Let's carry on and keep working on it and make it sound more like a train. Right, right. What a fascinating time and that would be true for anything that someone is developing. It's this discovery and making it a little bit better. Maybe somebody else has a device that's similar and you're going to make it sound more authentic because of the change that you get to put into that instrument or device. Yeah. And honestly too, I got that thought of when on top there was the little kind of metal frame that you would stick into it with a bell, which just appeared to be like a sheet of metal that you would go jump, jump, jump, jump and then hit the bell that's connected to it. So you get this kind of like all and then you all aboard, you can do this all in one kind of. Exactly. Yeah, the bell plates. Yeah, the bell plates were fantastic as well and they they sound beautiful. It's like what a great PA for a rectangular hunk of metal, flat rectangular hunk. It's like, boy, that sounds really good. Yeah, it's got a good sound to it. So then moving on here, let's let's lump these two together. So we have the animal sounds like the birds and the horses and all those different sounds. And I think it's amazing. We'll touch on the catalogs a little bit that when they actually sold them, but there was so many different kinds of birds. Right. And I think that probably speaks to, I don't know for sure, because I haven't haven't really seen a great number of silent films. But I think it speaks to the facts that a lot of the films were about everyday life topics. Yeah. You know, it was inconceivable, I think, or at least in large part think about outer space. And they didn't have computers, but they had machinery, but they definitely had farm life. They definitely had city life. They definitely had humor. So there might be a scene of a couple courting and they're out in a nearby field because there wasn't, you know, for many people, there wasn't a metropolitan area that they lived in.  Yeah. And, you know, but nature is certainly a common part, a common thread for all of those kinds of scenarios. And I think that's maybe why bird whistles were so common in that there were so many different kinds of birds. Yeah. And I think it's funny. Bird imitation. There's so many of them where it makes you think there'd be a guy in the audience who'd go like, oh, that's not a sparrow. That's not how that way that sparrow sounds. I mean, they really hit a lot of different categories where it's this attention to detail that I think kind of shows the quality that would and the thought that went into this and how big of an industry it would be for Ludwig or for these companies. Right. And I think it also dovetailed with the fact that there were a lot of people who hunted birds. Yeah. Wow. So I don't think that all of them had to do with movies. I think some of them, and in fact, you know, maybe a good third of those bird imitations actually came because they were hunting the birds. I never thought of that. That's amazing. And that came from a different, yeah, a different tradition. And that again, it's just another one of those examples where things dovetail that you don't expect are related and yet they probably are. Yeah. Hunting.  But and then quickly in the animal world, we also have the horses, which I think is just like you close your eyes and you hear this, the clip clop of this. And again, referring to your video with Bill, the way it's shaped and the cup on the inside, it is designed and tested and refined to make a perfect horse sound where you can speed it up and you have the two of them and you're making this, you're really making a vivid horse sound. Right, right. And changing the kind of material that you're playing those upon changes the whole sound. It's taking advantage of the resonance chamber and taking advantage of texture. And like the band arrangements from the early 1900s, that music was all about texture. And that's the same thing here because there wasn't this very detailed soundtrack that we've grown accustomed to in our day and age. They had to fill up a lot of sound and they wanted to make it as colorful and as expressive as they could given some means that were a little more primitive by comparison to today. Also just the more in the sound effects world, the police rattles where it kind of comes back to what the content of the movie is about. You probably have a lot of police chases and cops and robbers and stuff like that where they would use this spinning this kind of police rattle sound to create that to evoke something that people hear. And now that police rattle would be used by police obviously to get the attention.  The police rattle, we know that today as the ratchet. And just a side note, it was, you know, when I was in high school and junior high school and having ratchets that were called for in concert band music, there was that little bracket that nobody ever knew what it was for, right? And it was so common in the early 1900s, such a go-to instrument that that bracket is actually made so that they can hook that onto the counter hoop of your bass drum. Oh my gosh. And then it just continued on to be to be a part of it and no one, no one knows what it's for. Exactly. Yeah. It has become obsolete, you know, with the, with the advent of the talking movies, you didn't need to have that handy anymore. And that purpose has kind of gone by the wayside. But yeah, so, so it's a little bit mind boggling to think how these metamorphoses happen. And, but when you get back to the roots of it, you make this odd discovery, you know, like, oh my gosh, this was, this was, yeah, this was so common back then. And, and so getting back to how those ratchets were used and as police rattles, they, the police had those as standard issue. And all the London bodies had them and policemen in America had them. And they would use that as an alert because it is a striking sound even today when you listen to a ratchet being played. It was a striking sound and they would, they would whip these things around in the air because it was on a steady post instead of, instead of that kind of double legged ratchet that we see today, it would just be on a handle and they would swing it around in the air and that would get the attention of other policemen who, you know, were kind of trained to listen for that sound and just general passers-by who might be able to come to assist in an emergency. And they would alert people with two fires. They would use a, yeah, they would use, you know, fire, emergency, medical situation, anything the police or fire department, whatever would, would be using that to, to let people know, hey, there's a situation here folks. Because it's so cutting that it just cuts through the sound and then it's a part of everyday life. So then it probably ends up in these moving pictures at that time. So people, it just brings more of a real, like a reality to, to what you're watching, to hear that it evokes that emotion of like almost, I would say panic, because when you hear that, that, that ratchet, you think, uh-oh, something's going on. Someone needs help or there's a problem and it kind of gets your heart rate pumping a little bit more. Absolutely.  That's funny. So again, I really highly recommend everyone to go and look in, you can actually hear them and see them at Kelly's YouTube page with, with Bill F. Ludwig III, who is, I haven't met him yet, but he seems like a great guy. Yeah. We have a lot of fun filming those videos. Um, I was able to bring him in as an expert on a grant that I was awarded that allowed me to, to study those instruments and, and to create the videos. That is awesome. Congratulations on the grant. Yeah. My thanks goes out to the East Central Regional Arts Council who provided the funding for all of that. Awesome. Well, you're very, very well deserving of it. You, you have used it, used it very well. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. So it's, everything's going great. We're using these sound effects, trap drummers are, you know, you're, you're got either one to three to four of them working. Then 1927 is when I have the first, uh, like the jazz singer with Al Jolson, the first talkie coming out. Now let's, let's just get into a little bit about how things kind of went from being a world with trap drummers to this just not even existing anymore. Yeah. I don't know the exact year. I do know it's late 20s. I'm always, I, I, I learned an important lesson, uh, not to say what was first because there's some, uh, there's usually something that was first or that's, that's the quote. Yeah, exactly. And it might just not be as well now or something. Yep. You're smart, smart to do that. Yeah, that's right. And, and actually, so what preceded the, the films that came with a soundtrack as a, as an integrated part were movies that were released with records that you would drop the needle in, uh, you know, at a specific time. Yeah. With a film. So the concept of incorporating music with film was already a thought. And at that point, then, you know, if you're incorporating music, you're probably also incorporating some of the sound effects as well. Yeah. And so that comes in between the moving pictures with completely no sound and moving pictures complete with sound. Interesting. That little middle, yeah, that little middle ground that a lot of people aren't really familiar with and including myself, I, I know that it existed. I haven't gotten to dig into that. I haven't gotten to, to view a movie that had an accompanying set of records that you would play simultaneous to the, to the film. Well, that just gives me the thought of changing records a lot. You're having a guy up in the, uh, projection room who's like, I imagine there's similar to like, there's like three beeps and then you drop it. I just think people are watching this and the guy a couple times has to be off. You know what I mean? Where he drops it a split second later and then the dial, like sounds aren't syncing up and the problems that would come from that. Absolutely. Yeah. Wow. That would drive me insane in that, in that era, but I'm sure, you know, you don't know what you don't have again. Well, right, right. Yeah. You don't know what you don't have. And, uh, the, the way that it allowed the studios to be in better charge of what music was played. Yeah. Because that's the other thing that is, um, that is important to note that when a movie got sent out to an area, uh, you know, it's like your, your, your reel to film come in and your pianist is here. Let's say that it's just a pianist and not an entire small theater orchestra, but your pianist comes in and your pianist might or might not receive a recommended list of music that is appropriate for this scene and that scene and the next scene and the following scene. So if they do not have that music readily available, they need to pick something from their own personal collection that is like that. So the same movie viewed in one town might have a completely different emotional feel than the same movie played in the next town over just because of the musical choices that were made. So much room for error. A lot of room for error. But again, then you also have to think, well, these people were professional musicians and they would also do their best. Yeah, of course. And, and so, you know, it could have been very different. It could have been negligible in difference. And, and you know, we, it's, it's so hard to find people who were living and are able to tell us their experiences from watching the movies. And that puts us in a hard position here because we have to make a lot of guesses based on the information we have and the things that make sense. What we have are magazines that were published on a monthly basis that, that sent out sheet music that was appropriate for a hurry scene and appropriate for a chase scene and appropriate for a storm scene. And so a lot of musicians across the globe would have used these magazines to have that catalog of music that was really built more for the purpose of films and that kind of dovetails with these instruments that were built for the purpose of entertainment. Wow. Talk about a rabbit hole.  I am so rabbit holeed, yes. I know. Wow. There are so many different rabbit holes to go down. I know. So it is a little bit never ending. It is. Hopefully we can spark the fire and some people to get out there and do more, more discovering on that. But okay, so I'm a trap drummer. It's mid 1920s. I'm working. I have many gigs happening. It's great. I start to see that there are talking pictures coming out where they are accompanying the music and they don't, they put on a record. They don't need me. Now does my boss, the theater owner say, hey, we don't need you tonight? How does that go? What is the development of starting to say we don't need you as much on this one versus this industry is non existent anymore? How does that go? I think that was probably, I don't know for sure, but I think it was probably a pretty short turnaround. I think it was, we've got these sounds that come with the movies and you know, we'll see you. Yeah. Now get your gunshot machine out of here. We don't need it anymore. Exactly. Yeah. I think it was a pretty, a pretty fast change in a lot of people's lives at that time. So a lot of people lost their jobs. I think they did. Yeah. I think a lot of drummers in a lot of scenarios at the turn of the century lost their jobs and to machines in one way or another. For example, roller rinks were very popular in the late 1800s and early 1900s. And you know, when you're thinking about a roller rink, it's kind of circular in that area in the middle. Nobody skates in it, right? Yeah. Well, that's because they used to put a band in the middle. Oh, wow. And not to mention also, you know, tight corners and stuff. But yeah, there used to be musicians oftentimes performing in the middle. And I've got a photograph of a roller rink, I think in Ohio. And it's got a totally fenced off area. So you can't accidentally bump through and into this area where a small orchestra would be performing. And there's a little lectern for the conductor to have just a little bit of raised stuff. And so you look inside this roller rink and already at this time, the musicians' jobs had ended. I think it was maybe 1909 that my image is from. Because one of those player piano type of organs that has all of the other, literally the bells and the whistles and the drums. So that's sitting there, and the rest of the cage is empty. No chairs. Wow. That's funny. No chairs for musicians. And then there were other roller rinks where the musicians were in a mezzanine above the roller rink level, and that would free up the entire space for skating. So those jobs ended. There's a different point to be made, though. And that is that they didn't realize it, but the Vaudeville actors kind of wrote their own demise.  Let's get you on film. And so they did that because, you know, great. Now they're going to be seen by a whole lot of people, which was wonderful for them. It was easier than touring and less expensive than touring. And they'd get paid a bigger sum of money for less hours of work, not realizing that it was writing their own ticket to lack of work. You get paid once. You're done. That's right. You get paid once. And then the studio can show that as many times as they like. Wow. And so hand in hand with that, with the Vaudeville Act getting less and less work because the studio, you know, they're no longer needed in the same way. Well, then the musicians that performed in that theater, the theaters that were closing down, they were out of work. And the roller rink drummers were out of work. And the silent picture drummers were out of work. And Chautauk was kind of fell by the wayside. And so they were out of work. You had a lot of different kinds of drummers, trap drummers who were, you know, kind of their roles were being downsized or replaced. And so it just makes it more important for you to be very good at what you do. Now, I wanted to ask you also about the manufacturers. You mentioned that Ludwig, and there's a lot of them doing it, but I know that it would be, you know, I don't want to say 50%, but a lot of their catalog would be these trap instruments and these different varieties of noisemakers and the surefire machine and all that stuff. That all went away. There were certainly pages dedicated to it. But let's, well, you know, then again, though, I'm thinking about catalogs from the mid to late 20s, where at that time jazz was already taking, you know, and common music as compared to orchestral music was already taking such a lead and was so popular, people were gearing up for that, that the pages dedicated to sound effects and to whistles. It's, you know, you don't really have to have a description or a picture so much of an item that costs 50 cents. A woodblock is kind of a woodblock, kind of a woodblock. But the drum, the features on this drum, which is a rope tension versus the features of this drum, which is a Prussian style single rod tension versus this drum, which is thumb rod tension versus this drum, which is a single rod tension, but it's self aligning. Versus double tension. Yeah, that was much more important and much more critical to companies like Ludwig and Ludwig and Leedy and Nokes and Nikolai. Yeah, so they can stand to lose the page of bird whistles, but they focus then more on the details of the emerging technology and different tunings and all that kind of stuff, right? Right, and it doesn't take a lot, you know, a quail whistle looks a lot like a bob white whistle, looks a lot like a dove call, looks a lot like, you know, and everybody, I think they were common enough that people knew what they looked like. All you needed was just a line to describe it. This is what it is, this is the sound it makes, here's the cost. So hen cackled this much, cow ball this much, you know, all sorts of different kinds of sounds. Squawker was a little more unique looking, and so they really needed a picture of that until it was either popular or no longer used. Wow, yeah, you got to have the squawker in there, that's for sure. Yeah, well, it doubles as a hen and a pig and a couple of different things. It was a versatile little instrument.  You hit this a certain way on the side and that's that. So it's about being versatile and knowing how to get all the sounds out of these different instruments. Right, right, a cow ball, which is, it's spelled B-A-W-L, so like a, like somebody's balling, right? And it's that moo sound and it's a long metal tube that has a read inside of it. And some of the cow balls were built in such a way that you could kind of vibrate the end of it with your hand, kind of shake it in your hand, this tube, and you could make it sound like a horse whinny as well.  So it's like, you know, you had to be a discerning trap drummer to save yourself some money and not only that, but to minimize how difficult it was to get all of your gear to the gig, which is, again, the same challenge that we have today. Same challenge today. That's the key of this whole thing is drummers or drummers. These guys are getting, they're fighting against their version of a drum machine and programming and trying to, they're losing their gigs to technology. I mean, it is, I think that's the biggest thing I learned today is that there's no difference between us. We're just, it's just a different kind of gear and you're fighting with, they have their whole different world of problems with tuning and tackpads and all this and stuff. Absolutely.  Yeah. Because you still have to get you and your gear to the gig. Yeah. And so if you're on a cable car system, well, how much can you carry because you're only allowed to take you and what you can carry. And there's probably another drummer right behind you who will find a better way to get it there. And he wants your gig, which again is the same as today. That's right. That's right. He's a little more portable than you or he shows up on time because he's not relying on a horse that doesn't want to move today or, or whatever. You know, there are, again, it's the same situation as we are today. Well, Kelly, where can people, where can people find you? Like, what's the best way to, to, to watch your videos and to hear about what you're doing as a clinician and just where, where can people find you? People can find me on my website, which is www.KellyRayTubs.com. And I've got links to the videos there. I have links to upcoming events like clinics, like, you know, big performances. Oh, let's see. And then also a YouTube channel. So you can just type in the name KellyRayTubs and they can find me there as well. They can find currently 18 different historical videos. So some of those feature the history of the early drum set components from the early drum set, not, not so much the history of the drum set, but, but a little bit, a little deep dive, a miniature deep dive into things like the woodblock and, and how we in the United States put it onto our drum sets and cymbals and how that changed from the orchestral use of cymbals to a little bit closer to how we use them today, particularly the hi-hat. If you find these videos, prepare to sit there and watch every single one of them because they are so interesting and so well done. I mean, really, it is, it is impressive, the amount, you can tell the amount of love and care that you put into, into making them. I mean, it, I really, I really do love it. And I want to spell. So it's K-E-L-L-I-R-A-E-T-U-B-B-B-S, just to help people find it. KellyRayTubs. And you can find her all over the place. And Kelly, thank you so much for taking the time to talk with me. You are a wealth of information and I would love to have you back and we can talk about some different stuff. I mean, there's so many doing this podcast. It is just so many every little detail like the hi-hat. We'll probably do something on that. There's just, it's, it's endless. Well, thank you very much for the kind words, first of all. And I've had a blast. So I would love to come back anytime you need me. Let me know. Awesome. Thank you, Kelly, so much. Have a great day. Thanks you too. I want to give a huge thank you to Kelly for taking the time to talk with us today. If you liked this podcast, find me on all the social media platforms at Drum History. And please share, rate and leave a review of the podcast. And also, let me know topics that you would like to learn about in the future. Until next time, keep on learning.


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$10,000 NFL mystery boxes. We're going to open every single one right now. And it was good boys Another pristine auction mystery box opening. We've got $10,000 worth of stuff. We're giving away everything Let's waste no time. We've done so many mystery box videos But the different thing today is this this thing is so Supposedly expensive that they shipped it in an actual wood crate. I hit up my guy at pristine auction He said you're really gonna want to open that framed poster first So I know there's a framed poster in here, but it's anybody's guess as to what it is. Keep in mind We're giving away everything and number two all of this stuff comes from pristine auction a huge shout out to them Pristine auction is basically like eBay, but for all your favorite sports stuff Everything you see in today's video you could actually buy or bid for on pristine auctions website And you can use the code MMG to get $10 off your first purchase at pristine auction. There's a link in the top of the description My god, it's by far the heaviest thing. We've ever gotten from pristine auction. No question handle of care No forklift do not stack Feeling it's something good. Oh, that's the back.   Oh My god, it's definitely a frame poster.    This is a work of art on top of being a Josh Allen signed jersey Josh Allen That's literally a 10 that is an AFC Josh Allen prism 10. Oh my god Precision pass. It's a rookie. You've got a 10 a graded 10 rookie Josh Allen. You've got the prism 10 Josh Allen It's a signed jersey and it's a piece of art. Oh my god. When I give this one away It's gonna be to a bills fan in person.   All right. Hey the video is over.  Are you kidding me? Wait, let's plug it in It's so bright here. You can't hardly see it, but I don't believe it Pristine auction was not lying when they said that was the single coolest thing they've ever said Well, we started out as strong as humanly possible. Let's start knocking out these boxes Dude, who's the player this season last season? I was a huge Jalen Hertz bandwagon that worked out really well So now I got to think of my bandwagon player for this. I feel like I want to say Garrett Wilson Maybe plug in my bandwagon. If we have some Garrett Wilson stuff in here. I'll be really excited. Oh the card I love the card. Hey Matt.   Yo, what is this? Saquon Barkley signed Giants salute to service dude. These jerseys are fire I almost don't even want to take it. It's packaging salute the service Saquon signature on the back.  We got collectibles. I wonder if these are signed. Oh my god. It is. It's actually signed. Dude This is so cute. It's got his signature on the actual case and then it's got this little silver case.  That's awesome. Oh, is it very no way It's got Barry signature on it. I'm gonna send us giving away everything. Remember when I scammed you to your face, dude Look at that. It's actually got a signature on it. That's so sick It almost looks like it's like part of the case Maybe I'm mistaken you guys will know this better than I do. Oh Barry Sanders. Oh Dude, look at the blue on that that is not Cowboys blue But it is a dope-looking mini helmet deck press got signed Cowboys flash alternate speed mini helmet Look at that signature though. That's got a crispy signature. What do we got so far boys? We've got Cowboys got Titans Lions Giants, and of course we got bills with Josh out dude.  They're hooking me up. Oh my god for Steve ox in no way Yo, they went so hard for this one. You guys are amazing. Oh, this one's a nice jerseys, too Oh, I love when it's one of the nice jerseys. That's actually so fire.  What do I got a manila folder for? Oh, this looks like it might be like a picture John Madden and Pat Summerl signed cut collage.   It's like super super og signatures That's crazy. Oh my god. They went so hard with the lion stuff You know I like this one.   I'm on round three of Nazi zombies here. What? Oh Bill Romanowski. Yo, we got any Broncos fans signed Jersey inscribed back to back Wait, that's actually fire. You've got the real signature on this. So look at that Bill Romanowski scary Terry That's the boy man scary Terry the Washington Commanders Jersey Sam Hall will announce the starter by the way So you already know scary Terry's not going over a thousand yards. I mean, you're not wrong Dude, there's so much in here. Oh my god.  Oh, I gotta pull this one out. This one's got to come out of the wrapping Look at this. That's a Richard Sherman Seahawks sign Jersey Seattle has some of the sickness jerseys in the league in my opinion. That's so dope Richard Sherman Prisheed auctions in their duffel bags. Oh my god You got Sherman Cunningham Terry McClaren Bill Romanoski, Saquon, Barry, Endon Hooker, Dak Prescott, Derek Henry, Barry times two But we got a whole other box. We got the rest of this box and we got this puppy. Oh Stefan Diggs, I'm gonna pull this one out. I want to see his signature and this is a nice jersey too. So clean Stefan Diggs Bills Jersey. Hopefully he'll carry my fantasy team this year Michael Irvin. Oh my god He inscribed the Hall of Fame on there Michael Irvin Hall of Fame 2007 oh, it's a Randy Moss. This is so clean Look at that. That's so beautiful. Randy Moss 84. What teams haven't we covered? We covered so many teams go Vikings right there Here we go trading card guess the team everybody before I pull this out guess the team if you get it right I'm not giving you a goddamn thing. Oh, there's two the two banger. Oh First things first look at this man. Durwin James Chargers clear shots Durwin James signature. That's dope. So we've got chargers covered 2021 panini illusions clear shots signatures 5 of 99 that is dope.  This isn't like the old-school tops This is when people would go in and get trading cards like 50 cents and now they're worth Thousands of dollars Eric Dickerson. That's insane. Eric Dickerson signed 1984 after Josh Allen. This might be the coolest thing that is wild Dude the helmet we were trying to figure this out because we saw this little visor We couldn't figure out what's going on. This is a ladanian Tomlinson signed Hall of Fame 2017 helmet that visor this is say dude Chargers fans got clutched up twice. That's wow Chargers fans We got a helmet for you as a first helmet of the day too Jalen waddle Jalen waddle signed Dolphin's ball All right, I'll keep this one nice and protected for the giveaway. Whoa Whoa Look at this. I can't wait to see what this looks like wait a minute Signed Cooper Cup Super Bowl inscribed. I think this is a Super Bowl ball signed by Cooper Cup and it says Super Bowl champs. Oh My god, it's a real Duke. Wait, that's nuts Look at this.  They're like 180 dollars. It's disgusting And this is a special edition Super Bowl version of it and it's signed by Cooper Cup Oh my god, this is sick.  This is going to a brokeie We're giving this to a poor Ooh, is this the first ever pristine auction fullback poll? Have I gotten the Kyle Hughes checker? Maybe I got a Zonka in the past. I might have got a Zonka in the past Although he technically qualifies the half bag this ladies and gentlemen is a Mike All-Stott signed football That's just so cool. You don't get to see the fullbacks a lot Mike.   I think this opening surpassed $10,000.  Oh my god I was wondering I've never seen a ball come with a pamphlet before. Why would it come with a pamphlet? Here's why it comes with a pamphlet Yeah, Tom Brady New England Patriots Super Bowl champs autographed Super Bowl football Okay, just so you guys know when I do a pristine auction video pristine auction says Hey, could you name a few players you want to see in the video and then we'll just surprise you with the rest I never even write down Tom Brady because you can't get Tom Brady stuff like you just can't so I never asked for it I have no idea how they put this off. Oh my god Super Bowl ball. It's the Patriots Falcons game too.  Oh my god. That's insane All right box one. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna do this. Uh, I'm gonna do this lopsided box I really don't understand how this opening can get better. I thought Josh Allen was the coolest thing ever Maybe Tom Brady clears that I think that Josh Allen's still just so beautiful. It's a work of art.  What is going on? Where do we start? What do we got here? What do we got fighting through the jungle here?  No, no question. Look at that. That is beautiful I know one of you greasy boys.  You've got one pillow to your name You got two crusty bed sheets. You've never washed.  Look at that Travis Kelsey sign This one's a little a puzzle for us right now. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait The otro sinco dear NFL, please don't find me again That's actually though. It's got a signature right down the middle same one bangles fans otro sinco fans They got you. Is that Brian Dawkins? This is so sick.  Oh, this goes so hard This is awesome, man. Look at how good he did. He did such a good job filling that space too, man Brian Dawkins hall of fame 18 a weapon x. This is awesome Dude eagles fans, you got so much look forward to man. This is exciting for y'all Brian Dawkins weapon x. All right boys. We've got foreign sand posters. We've gotten an absurd amount of jose's We've got funko pops trading cards sign footballs a lot of signed awesome footballs one final box From prasina auction let's dive in what more can there be tell me you've ever seen a box like this What is this? Oh, it's a helmet. It must be somebody important. I don't have like that I think that's michael vick Shit He wrote madden goat on it. It's michael vick. Yo, I think this is is this game warrant. Wait Oh my god, that's game word. Yeah, you know, it's crazy. That's michael vick to the double up on the mic big helmets This is so sick. Yo, we got a michael vick helmet falcons fans. I got you dude We're getting all the oh geez to close this off the final player one more dallas cowboy is emet smith The final helmet. That's so dope. Emma smith's got a good signature. Oh my god I feel like every time I do our mystery box.  That was the craziest thing I've ever done There's no way they could top that. How are we even gonna make more videos? And then they send an actual tom brady super bowl ball. They send a cooper cup super bowl ball They send an eric dickerson tops auto from 1984 1984 I wasn't even a twinkle in my daddy's eye the coolest poster i've ever seen this is unbelievable Hey, listen boys, don't forget that every single thing we pulled here today other than the stuff that i'm scamming you on We will be giving away literally all of it and the biggest thing we'll be giving away obviously is this josh Allen poster I'll be giving that away in person at some point. I'll be over there where those fans are I don't trust shipping that Everything is to be given away the top of the description is pristine auction They sell all this amazing stuff you just saw here and a huge thank you to them for making this possible I love you guys. I'll see you in the next one. Peace


This whole Raven situation is really turning into Avengers end game because first we end up calling back Tony Jefferson and he comes swinging back to the Ravens like Spider-Man and then now we get Josh Johnson back again and he comes to like Black Panther so welcome back Josh, YouTube, team keep it clean. What's going on is engraving here with another video and in this video I mean we've been saying it from jump we do not and we have been moving this week and thinking this week my thought process this week has been Lamar is not playing yeah I heard what John Harbaugh said the other day oh yeah we expect Lamar to play you know how Harbaugh be he ain't gonna come out and say oh it's Tyler Huntley go week this week if he can do any little thing to try and manipulate these packers and who they preparing for he's gonna do it which I understand no problem with that cool but we know that Lamar he ain't playing didn't expect him to play didn't think he was gonna play and we always talk about how action speaks so much louder than words and the way that the Ravens move it will give you indicators this right here the fact that the Ravens are signing Josh Johnson former Baltimore Raven by the way also former Buck former Brown former jet let me see what else he was a former of oh former Washington football team he's he's now with the Ravens and he's back welcome back I remember he was a preseason hero what year was that not 2015 I forget what year was but he was a preseason hero and a lot of us were kind of upset that he didn't make the team and then we know it's a numbers game and I remember so many preseason guys that we just fell in love with remember Jalen Hill remember him I remember a Brent Renner number oh he's he's like number seven I think Josh Johnson was another one and there been guys oh the receiver the receiver who went to the charges but it just didn't work out for him I forget his name I know somebody in the comment section one of y'all gonna remember for sure cuz I know y'all will cuz y'all are the greatest but anyway no rush for Lamar Jackson no rush and Ravens are gonna be practicing today I do not expect Lamar Jackson to be out there on the practice field at all if he is then you got to take it extra easy extra easy like but I don't I don't think he's gonna be out there I really don't and again Tyler Hartley he's showing you that he can come in and when he gets comfortable he can make some stuff happen now one thing to think cuz some of y'all have been getting like really carried away really carried away this week and love Tyler Huntley we love Lamar Lamar is the Ravens guy he is the raven it seems as if a lot of people have forgot they they they recently biases real so I can understand that but still I feel like a lot of Ravens fans and just some media people they forgotten what Lamar has done they forgotten what he can do and it seems as if a lot of people have just erased all of Lamar's good stuff that he's done for this team literally save this team save the team save hardball save so much they erased all that and they like oh these last four or five games where he hasn't been playing so good that defines him as a player he doesn't deserve the money he doesn't deserve the contract Raven should get rid of him move forward Tyler Huntley like whoa hold up hold up whoa wait a minute now of course we rockin with Tyler Huntley we want Tyler Huntley to come out there and kill it we want him to just go off but let's not forget who Lamar Jackson is even though he's big up to Tyler Huntley let's not do a big down to Lamar now something to think about going into this package game we'll talk about this more in depth later on when you think about Tyler Huntley in his situation this year he came in Bears game it was expected that Lamar Jackson was gonna play Lamar Jackson didn't feel good Lamar Jackson didn't play Tyler Huntley found out what like an hour and change before the game Bears found out like an hour and change before the game so then also in this game against the Browns Lamar Jackson supposed to play he actually was playing then he got hurt and then Tyler Huntley came in so something to think about now we hope that this doesn't change anything that goes on with Tyler Huntley it doesn't change his success that he's had but something to think about these teams were preparing for Lamar they weren't preparing for Tyler Huntley and I know they do have similar styles but they do some things very differently from each other but these teams they were they were getting a Lamar we got to do this to stop Lamar that to stop Lamar Lamar Lamar Lamar they weren't preparing for Tyler Huntley now the Packers I'm sure they will be preparing for Tyler Huntley like I said hopefully that doesn't change anything and hopefully Tyler Huntley still goes out there and kills it and for some strange reason I know somebody in the comment section they shared my same thoughts got like a this weird confidence about this game I don't know why it doesn't mean anything just because I say I got some confidence doesn't mean they're gonna win just cuz I got some confidence doesn't mean they're gonna lose doesn't mean anything that's just how I feel about the game personally um but with Tyler Huntley the Packers will be game planning for him so let's see how he does now another thing too that with Tyler Huntley with it's been the same thing with him has been the same thing with Lamar a lot of people forget they forget the offense they start off slow they started off slow and then all of a sudden at the end at the end of the game that's when okay let's pick it up all right let's get it let's move now it was the same thing with Tyler Huntley too it was the same thing it looked prettier but it was the same process same process where Tyler Huntley the offense may be moving and then he'll turn the ball over remember the fumbles with Lamar the offense may be moving in a section turn out same thing and then all of a sudden boom at the end of the game they're playing more smooth they're playing better and they end up coming back it's been the same process again I think a lot of people they think they keep forgetting they forget that but it's all good anyway team keeping clean with Josh Johnson they the with the Ravens they signed him off of the Jets practice squad so it's this is weird because this is a flip-flop because y'all know usually with the Jets they sign all these Ravens play y'all know the Baltimore Jets the New York Ravens whatever you want to call them they usually sign all the Ravens players but in this case the tables of turn and Ravens like come on come to come on let's let's go let's get it so with them signing him he goes straight to the active roster straight to the active roster so that's how you know this means business and yeah Lamar he's gonna be out now I'm waiting to see what the Ravens corresponding move is gonna be because I don't think that I'm not sure they have a an open spot on the active roster so because usually especially at this point of the season if somebody comes up to the active roster then somebody has to go down off the active roster so I'm I'm I'm pretty sure they are at 53 men on the roster so this would make 54 but if they're not at 53 men then okay he's straight but I don't know oh the year that Josh Johnson was with the Ravens was 2016 not 2015 that's 2016 so that's just been cleared up but anyway let's go Ravens practice today we'll start to give us more of a clear story as to if Lamar Jackson again whether he practices today or practices Thursday practice really Friday Friday is always the best indicator of if a player is gonna play if they practice on Friday I don't expect it but hey we'll see I don't expect it though do I do not think Lamar plays this week and that's not a bad thing it's not a bad thing I know I've seen some people in the comment section be like man this is my first game it's my first game going Lamar is not even playing trust me I feel you and I know you don't say that I know that's not coming from a selfish place like oh man I paid money for this ticket Lamar better be playing no I understand it's more so disappointment I get that I remember and it's different it's much different but I remember when we went up there this summer for the Ravens open practice and I was hoping to see Lamar I was hoping to see Hollywood to a whole man like I want to see them boys a Florida but neither one of the two practice and it's different because that was practice and this is a game but still I feel you but don't worry Tyler Holly and then boys they they got you they got you Ravens Raven gonna make something happen this weekend man they gonna make something happen this weekend anyway team keep it clean I appreciate y'all so much I love y'all so much I hope y'all are having the best the best of Wednesdays the best of Wednesdays oh really whenever you're watching this I hope your day is just going so great I love y'all appreciate y'all and like Lamar Jackson probably will be this week for the game against the Packers I'm out


The hopes for the creation of state police gets dust, as the Senate and House of Representatives refuse assent. And National Assembly tasks revenue-generating agencies to now generate 3 trillion narrow annually. This is plus politics, and I am Justin Acadone. Nigerian Senators have vowed to President Mohamed Buhari thereby rejecting the creation of state police. The Senate Constitutional Review Committee, while it rejected the state police, resolved that President and the fantasy state governors will constitute federal and state executive councils respectively within 60 days after being sworn in. Earlier, the House of Representatives had rejected a bill that was seeking the creation of state police. In 2021, many political stakeholders had advocated the restructuring of the police and system in order to enhance the fight against terrorism. Joining us to discuss this is Colonel Hassan-Stun Lebel, retired military officer and a security analyst. Good evening to you, Colonel. Many thanks for joining us on plus politics. Thanks so much. Thank you for having me once again. All right. We're looking at the issue of state policing, whether to be or not to be, from what we have and report we are saying so far. The Senate and the House of Representatives actually bowed to President Mohamed Buhari and they are saying that it is not to be. But let's look at this culturally, you know, state policing. Are you in favor of state policing? Do you think it is, you know, the panacea to all of the challenges be deftly in the country security-wise, really? Thank you very much. I must say this on a very, very serious, frankly speaking. I am for state policing. I am for, I definitely see the need for us to begin to see how we can decentralize the state policing structure in Nigeria to allow for sub-nationals to be able to maintain their own police structure and more so to compliment the high deficit who currently suffer at the federal level when it comes to policing. When you say the deficit will suffer at the federal level, can you be more explanatory? How do you mean? These statistics are just there and they speak for themselves. If you look at the UN prescription for the ratio of a policeman to how many citizens they are expected to police, we fall very far, far short of that, okay? I think the UN prescription is about, say, nearly 400 men or so. We fall far short of that. And besides, when you look at our population selloffs, what is the size of our police? The size of our police, I'm afraid, should be far below 300 or below 400 in terms of manpower. And when you look at the crime rate in Nigeria, if you look at the level of people at Haiti, we experience within our society, I think we should do some self-critique here.  The fact is that we need more policemen. We need more policemen, more so, I would say, to do away with something I personally see as a big slap on us and that is carrying out police to carry out policy. The more we allow soldiers to carry out policies, definitely we shall have issues because that was in their train. For instance, the training of a soldier is to shoot a kill. Where the training of a policeman is to shoot to men for prosecution. The soldier has got no business with prosecuting the enemy. That is his training. He shoots you and you move on, or move on, he is going to work and this is the enemy. That is the mentality in him. So to carry such a man to the street and say, look, shooting, when you hear shooting, you aim at the help, because the essence of your shooting is to kill.  So you bring such a man and tell him to maybe, he begins to wonder, oh God, I don't know what I do now. Yesterday I said, Kim, you say me, I'm trying to be very realistic, can we just be very, very reasonable and understand the peculiarities of our situation and allow sub-nationals to recruit? All right. I'm still talking about sub-nationals recruiting police to manage the affairs of security state-wise. What are some of the issues, really, because some people who are against state policing, they have talked about the concept of the state police in itself being subjected to abuse by state governors. Do you agree with that particular postulation? My brother, I used to belong to that camp. I was one of those who, way back, was opposed completely to anything state police, police. Why? I said our politicians are very responsible and they will not be able to fail the level of maturity we expect to be visited in the Mali. Yes, has that concept changed? No. But shall we, because of that, refuse to move forward as a nation? We must move forward. All right. Let's move forward. Confront, excuse me, confront the issues, confront the problems and say I will deal with it. Thank you. All right. Glad that you have actually mentioned about testing the waters, get into it, and over time, confirm if there are issues and if there are issues, really, they can be dealt with. But the other point of discussion that actually have come out on this particular topic of state policing, another is that of adequate funding. If you were to say right now, would you really say that the federal government is actually doing a good job when it comes to funding the activities and operations of the Niger police force?  Working with the police while I was in service, okay, especially in Lagos State where I was in charge of OP Mesa, I was actually the first subnational commander of OP Mesa. It all originated when I was there. So the point I'm trying to make here is that how much of funding, let's be frank, is the federal government pumping into the police force at the various states? Most states are taking over the funding of the police. Besides paying off salaries by the federal government, what else? If I use Lagos State as an example, God bless the states, I must say. They don't have fantastic leaders. I don't know how they treat, all right? The initiative that came up here through the Lagos State police force and so on has made the police force in Lagos something else, okay?  So how can the federal government, they're not really spending much, I must say. Maybe much is being voted but I must say I don't see much being spent. I was thinking by now some serious reforms would have been going on in the police force especially after the NSAR's beta experience where I was thinking the federal government would have learned these lessons and begin to see how we go straight into police reforms. It's a great deal of reform required in the national security sector, especially with the police. I don't see any serious reforms going on where I would have said maybe a lot of money is going on into training, these, that and so on. In nearly every state where today we have the military complementing the effort of the police and graph, we know how much state governments are spending and that's why some of the governors are saying allow us to have our own police force and then this money, this entire money we are pumping in at the various state level who go into our own police. I think that would have just been proper. That would have been proper. We can see how much they are really spending. Let's give them some chance. The federal government could lay out the guidelines but not say give them a free hand. Our politicians are not as mature as that. They are like children, they are like late to feed with children because let's not go into something else. The point is this, look, we are right for subnational state police. I still want us to talk about him funding in as much as you have said that the federal government have actually failed in their capacity to really fund the Niger police force. If it were left to the hands of state governors, do you think it would be better? For instance, you mentioned that Lagos is doing arguably very well when it comes to police and the state. What would the state security trust fund that is on? For Lagos and just a few states, would you really think that other states would adequately fund the police and system when most of the times complain of funds and they are always running in a cup in the hand to the federal government at the end of the month in the four federal allocation? Yes, because most of the governors don't have their thinking caps on. They lack what it takes to enhance on their IGFs. I have always said it, a lot of these states should always peep into us to what Lagos is doing. We draw back to your state and replicate it. If I were any of them by now, whoever is inside of Lagos would be one of my friends. I would be copying notes from him like two words and go back to my state and approve my state so that there will be some level of governance. So the point I'm making here in therapy is that they can generate some little amount of money that can allow them to take off. You take off at a small level. You don't just take off as if you have everything at your disposal. You take off at a little level. Your first recruitment might not go beyond more than, say, 500 men. And you use that as a guinea pig. You kid them, you train them, and so on. And then, of course, it would be a great deal of oversight function from the federal police or from the federal government. There must be a great deal of oversight. And, of course, that would just come in naturally anyway because I hope you know that even when we have states believe, of course, there will be police and the federal police. This initial state, there will be a great deal of guidance coming in from the federal police. A great deal. After about three, four, five years, we'll be withdrawing completely. We'll be withdrawing. The federal will be withdrawing to allow them to finally become adequate for funding. They just have to bite what they can chew. When you bite more than what you can chew or swallow, that is your problem.  Simple. All right. I certainly need us to talk more about an organization and a bit of control, you know, because a lot of proponents for state police have said over time that if it were in existence, the issue of, you know, the killings we have on the federal highways, inter-communal classes and all that would be brought to a considerably low point because the community members would actually understand themselves and they would be able to know how to george and that the policemen would be from the region. But then again, how do we begin to manage, you know, the issue of community policing? Because for some states they have network security watches and right now most regions are calling for regional, you know, security network. What with the Amotecun? And of course, Ibubago in the South is how do we begin to manage all of this while we still look for getting a way to making the state's policing system work? Since the local structure, the Amotecun to the same political master, that is to say Amotecun, the state police will all be answerable to the state governor who of course at that time is at the helm of a desk, okay, security-wise and so on. There will be a great deal of synergy between both. I don't see any form of problems except where people deliberately want to come up with problems. There will be guidelines, okay, the operational guidelines or job descriptions will be well spread out, okay. You mentioned it, milestones will be placed and so on. So at every point, at every point there will be some level of guidance, all right. For instance, I don't know if Amotecun has a right of power for execution and so on, otherwise they would have to transfer to the state police whatever they arrest, they will be that synergy between there and so on. Why these people now have authority for prosecution and so on and the rest. So with such synergy, with such operational guidelines and so on, I don't see any hitch. All we need to do is to measure a great deal of speed work is done, it's well carried out, spread out before takeoff. There must be a high level of speed work going on before takeoff. Okay, so would you actually propose the same coordination for community policing like you have suggested for regional policing? Thank you. Community policing is one area where I really feel I have so much of interest, okay, because with the state police coming in, it makes it easier for community policing to take off. All right, and we all know that community policing are right about community policing, they are right at the grassroots, all right. They are policemen who are posted to particular communities or locations and so on and they are expected to be there as long as possible so that they get to understand the community, the community gets to know them, the community continues to cooperate, synergize with them and does a great deal of their activities and so on, the communities buy into their activities. The communities take ownership of their activities and their actions and so on, so that information flows so easily from the community to the community police and so from the community police to the state police. You will see that information flow that would eventually get crystallized into intelligence flows far, far faster and easier and simpler. There is nothing as fantastic as community policing and we need it, we need it seriously but with that state policing, it becomes more difficult because when we are talking of community policing in most cases, you are referring to individuals who to a greater extent are indigenous to the plain. As a policeman within that situation and so on, people know you, you know them. People who saw when you were born are there. You just, when I walked up to the streets where I was born, way back in Kaduna, you see find very others. People were there when they received you and so on. You yourself will check yourself.  You will conduct yourself and do your job. That self-discipline will come in and it will enhance generally the level of discipline and the entire police structure. All right, I'm calling it. Now that you've mentioned that community policing actually is very workable if we have state policing. So right now, lawmakers have rejected state policing. What do we do going forward? How do we make the status quo better? How do we make the Nigerian police force better in as much as we still have to wait for us to get the state policing right? What do we do going forward? We just can keep on folding our arms and watch Nigerians die by the day with all of that insurgencies and of course the banditry that we hear in the Northwest and the North East. What do we do going forward? In a circumstance where we have representatives or senators who don't listen to what their people want to say to what the presidency wants. One of the first things you do is to make sure that come 2023, most of these guys are going to go back to Mitch. All right, I think that's as much as we can take from Colonel Hassan's level. We seem to be having some disconnect. We have been looking at the state policing concept in Nigeria. It's been rejected by the lawmakers and in as much as our guests have said that it is the way forward and we have to be exploring other models including that of community policing we just have to keep on pressing and keep on pushing to ensure that one day the voice of the people is heard in this country of ours. Well, thanks for staying with us. We'll take a short break now and when we return, revenue-generating agencies being taxed would remedy $3 trillion annually. Let's see if they can actually achieve that more when we return in a moment. Don't go away.


Hey y'all, welcome to What Chelsea Eats. Thank you so much for joining me today.  Don't know if you can see that. I spent $38.75 and mostly this is produce that I got. I went to the store with a list for buying food that I'm gonna make two recipes out of. One is going to be stuffed peppers and the other one is going to be a pasta, not really pasta, primavera. It's like a panay pasta but it's made out of zucchini. So what I wanna do is just show you what I got from the store. Here I got one red onion and one yellow onion. That will be more than I need for the recipe so that I'll last for a little while. And then I've got two heads or crowns of broccoli. That's gonna go in the pasta primavera. I've got a box of spring mix that I bought for my husband. Y'all know I don't really care for spring mix but I will eat it but that's for my husband. And I got some shiitake mushrooms and that is going to go into the pasta primavera. Got some tomatoes, one's for my husband and one's for my recipe. And I got some yellow squash. I got two here. I got one lemon. You know, I haven't been buying many lemons because they haven't been looking too good in the store. It's probably because of COVID. And then I've got five peppers there. It's gonna be great for my stuffed pepper recipe. Then I've got one cucumber for salads and then I ran out of dry basil. So what I try to do whenever I run out of a spice or if I'm getting ready to run out of this spice I just try to stock up just so that I have a variety of spices to choose from to make sure that my food tastes good. And I've got some tomato sauce which is gonna go in the stuffed peppers. And this is cauliflower rice that I'm gonna use for the stuffed peppers. Ordinarily I would just take a cauliflower and rice it myself, but I just don't feel like it. So that's why I bought frozen. Then I've got two carrots. I don't like buying a big bag of carrots because I don't use them that much unless they're already shredded. So this is what I'm using for a recipe I've used for one of the recipes. And then I've got the zucchini which is gonna be used for the penne pasta. And then the parsley, a light fresh parsley when I make Italian dishes it just seems to bring out the flavor. And here's some almond milk. I don't like to buy this brand but for some reason for the past week my store hasn't had any almond milk and I don't eat any of this, just drinking this one. This one's for my husband. It has too many chemicals in it for me. If I'm in a pinch I will use it, but I guess it's not too bad. Man, I just don't really use almond milk. So it's so easy to just make it fresh. But here is my haul. So I hope you enjoyed it. And let me know what you think and what have you been buying lately for your health journey? I'll talk to you all later. Love you.


Hi everyone, Joe for jaspyscasebreaks.com coming at you with 2021 Panini legacy football six box pick your team number three From a fresh inner case Six boxes from a fresh inner case No vet commons chip Some pretty nice stuff in here Big thanks to this group right here for making this happen if you see a little rooftop next to your name That means you won That that team in one of those team randoms and if you have that star next to your name That means you got last spot mojo Jeremy with his Colts So thanks everybody for making this happen. We've got the sounds of some basketball on the background hawks at Nix At a minute left in the first quarter. There's the legacy inner case. Okay. How are we gonna do this here? Okay? Like this So we have two four six box on the left side six boxes on the right Side six box on the right side. Let's select a die. Let's select that Bellagio die there one two three four five six on the dice roll and it's four one two three four five six This side we will save for the next break For pick your team number four, which only had one left and now it's sold out Keep your eye on the schedule and we'll get it on the schedule But it will happen a little bit later tonight, so I'll mark all those four There's four there's four here we go Good luck two autographs per box some minis Some dare to tear inserts which are one per case or one per inner case We already saw one in the first inner case. Maybe they're one for inner case. I don't know We'll find out when we do both of these our Trevor Lawrence cards gonna go for more than Herbert and borough could Will St. Lawrence maybe the most overhyped QV prospect ever that's a possibility to we'll have to see him in action, but So-called experts say that he might be the most can't miss prospects since Since Andrew luck that's right Rex all it is. It's just you set up the boxes for a back wall Oh, you will not think he's overhyped might be the most hyped Yeah, sorry. I've misread that will saying could be totally justified. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, the hype is Could be real the rare one of those rare occasions You know one of those rare occasions where the hype may meet the the actual production I mean they got him weapons to You know they got they got they got a really popular college coach So all the pieces are there now will it all click Jamie went to Jacksonville. It's not like he could go to like a big-name team or anything like that Bad the bad teams are towards the top. I Guess you could have gone to New York If Jacksonville passed on I don't know but the Jets decided they wanted to win games so They're gonna have to go with They're gonna have to go with Zach Wilson instead out there Our first autograph out of the gate is Samuel Cosme rookie Otto And that will here's a checklist too for everybody following on this is also preseason for me where I got to Learn where all these new guys go redskins for For Cosme is Jared Gough Michael is saying Tebow. What about Tebow? Tebow will be a number will be a non-factor by weak one We'll do a left-right randomizers on these Tebow's not making the team is he So there's a group of rookies that we're gonna immediately sleeve and top load. That'll be Trevor Lauren Zach will we got a list right here Trevor Lauren Zach Wilson trey Lance Kyle Pitts Jamar Chase Jalen waddle Devonta Smith Justin Fields Mac Jones Cadarius Tony and Najee Harris Obviously all rookies will ship now veteran commons won't ship. That's an those legends insers. That's an insert that will ship All right, but these are the common I think Tom Brady actually ships But commons like the Khalil Mack and I guess second-year Joe Burrow will not ship Obviously numbered cards will ship rookie cards will ship All right, those will ship these will not these two will not ship these will ship Well, we would not encourage any illegal activity like that here on Jasper's case breaks 006 out of or 86 out of 199 Jared Gough still Rams addition there and Trey Lance for the Niners Robert Flores And obviously these are inserts to so they will they will ship. There's a mini rookie sage Sarat You never know who's listening Adam Silver might be listening like oh, we know who to shut down And he guesses on this redemption. It's our first redemption that I've seen out of legacy so you can tell that the rookie cards have Have the brown borders right there on the left and right side and the veteran commons Have the have the semi-circle ones right here, too Hines wards legends to 199 for Michael Goluchy and his Steelers Jalen waddle There's Mack Jones And there's a Devonte Parker mini 22 out of 75 for Michael We have a Michael Goluchy in here. We all have a Michael Kaluchi in here Michael C has the Dolphins Michael G has the Steelers Hollywood's guessing Trevor Lawrence There's Mack Jones for Henry and the Patriots And there's Jalen waddle for for Michael C and the Dolphins Rex is guessing Joe burrow any other guesses for bragging rights Nobody wants bragging rights This is also how I can tell if people are lagging behind or not and someone's like So-and-so redemption like five minutes later got Atlanta Hawks up 30 to 24 on the Knicks in New York Philadelphia looks like they're cruising against Washington. They're up 7157 at the half on NBA TV Jamar Chase is a guess from Justin Sixers up 7157 at the house. That's correct. Right. He did. All right. Well, no other guesses, huh? Okay It's gonna be It's gonna be Micah Parsons Futures patch autographs Ruby, whatever that's number two Micah Parsons is a Dallas Cowboys. That's gonna go to William Buddle and the boys. All right, next box There's a blue mini here, there's Micah Parsons again 29 out of 50 Parsons came to Happy Valley as a can't miss prospect and proceed to boost to Penn State's reputation as linebacker you Know it was autocorrect Rex gang autocorrect There's a green TJ watt for the Steelers to 100 There's a under the lights chrome card Mac Jones for Henry and the Pats Well, and there's our first Trevor Lawrence rookie card All of these I'm sure we'll add up This is the first major release right major Panini release with Trevor Lawrence in it could be gradable all sorts of things will with the Jags Yeah, we've pulled tons of Justin Fields fields is There's JC Horn rookie auto JC Horn Panthers There's Jalen Hertz at 299 Now in the specific break Oliver, there's been no Justin Fields if that was your if you want to be specific There's Devonta Smith, but I'm sure we'll run into some here Devonta Smith for the Fly Eagles fly will who won that team in The the team random here. There's Joseph Osai Mini Zack Wilson There's Elijah Molden to 299 there's a Zach Wilson for Adam and the Jets Doon-doon-doon Tom Brady that will ship and we've got a Jersey and auto mark gas now Legacy portrait Jersey and auto for Adam and his J E T S jets jets jets The looking card remember we'll do left right randomizers for these that Teddy Bridge water to 150 And there's our first Justin Fields rookie card out of the break That's for Oliver in the Bears. He won that spot in the team random There's Davis Mills and Najee Harris for the Steelers. It's gonna be for Michael Guluchi Michael G box 3 probably Rex Somehow some way it's happy about that kershaw start last night though And we'll do a we'll do a recap at the end of this too Sure said that at the beginning of the break, but Break is almost an hour long so Great usually breaks that are over Over 30 minutes. Well, I'll try to do my best to remember to do a recap at the end of each video So if you've been watching this far on the replay You can fast forward to the end. I'll do it after after any randomizers. I may have to do We've got at least one Come on cards. All right. Good luck. We've got Rondale Moore to 25 and we've got Trey Lance For the Niners Trey Lance, of course, San Francisco 49s Robert Flores You've got a rookie mini here Caleb Farley 23 out of 75 Some MLB picks Rex. I don't know what they are forgot They're on the page You double check that maybe after this break Javon Kers to 199 And Devonta Smith for the Eagles Here's that Penae Sewell Zach Wilson always follows Penae Sewell kind of looks like it Adam and the Jets Let's see if he's the guy there that could be a franchise changer for the Jets and we've got sage Sarat Sage will go to Detroit and that'll be for Patrick Davis a cat T mojo So yeah, Penae and Zach are always paired together Adam saying then cut the Kyle's Kyle Trask and Kyle Pitts Always seem to be paired together So so far early on we're seeing a little bit of a pattern here Here's Lyons edition of Matt Stafford to 199 Patrick Mahomes Galen Waddle and Matt Jones No, Odell Beckham Jr. I don't think is an upper deck exclusive. There's Jared Goff mini. Oh I have the cards plus 170 Cardinals are they hit well against lefties and I think Rodon was on the mound and I was like there's value there They shouldn't be that much of an underdog So I made my investment. Thanks Rex for looking and we got an Elijah Mitchell rookie auto Elijah Mitchell is a 49er so that'll go to Robert Flores and the San Francisco 49ers There's Jamar Chase Jamar Chase of course going to be reunited with his teammate in Cincinnati Brian Croft with that one Elijah Mitchell, of course San Francisco 49ers Yeah, I know also the text is a little I guess when you're kind of flashing through the cards kind of quickly the text is kind of hard to read Fonts a little First World Breaker problems on the Toronto game was postponed. I'll get that money back So there's an Elijah Moore and Elijah Mitchell and Elijah Molden a lot of Elijah's I guess What 20 years ago or whatever? Elijah's were popular baby names We'll have to create like what do they call it a mnemonic maybe We have to figure out Actually, I'll have to figure that out Mitchell and the Niners more is on the Jets Maybe I'll just remember because you're a Jets fan Elijah Moore Jets Elijah Mitchell Niners and whereas Elijah Molden Elijah Molden is a Titan I'll just have to just maybe just No mnemonic. I just have to just figure it out and I also had KC. I only have four games today Well that plus 170 game was a big one though. I think I took a lot of heavier dogs today So just one or two wins Might be even money right then and there was that Elijah Moore who uh Yeah Who cocked his leg like a dog in the end zone after he scored a touchdown? Is that Elijah Moore? I thought someone else did that too. I thought like AJ Brown did that too I feel like that's not the first time Players have done that or was it just Elijah Moore? Penae Sewell and Zach Wilson This one will randomize separately because it's numbered. It's out of 25 Caused a penalty on the extra point which they missed and lost by one point. Come on.  There is a Rookie card right here this guy. I'm gonna have trouble with Marlin is what we'll call him Tui pulotu. I think the NFL has relaxed the sort of end zone celebration rules over the years This Caleb Farley to 299 another Justin Fields card and We've got a futures jersey and auto Seth Williams 003 out of 399 Seth Williams, where does Seth Williams is a Denver Bronco? That'll be for my rivals that is for Jerry Bennington in the Denver Broncos 003 out of 399 The Justin Fields goes to Oliver No, Hollywood Generally once we go on air Like what's on the site is what's on the site usually we don't add any new things At this point of the show and afterwards Unless we're like reloading the current product. That's already on the site. There's Emmett Smith to 150 Jamar Chase Went from a tiger to a Bengal tiger. There's Keenan Allen 17 out of 75 many Speaking of tigers folks. Did you know? Jeff Bezos bought an Amazon not Jeff Bezos by himself Amazon bought MGM so they get the James Bond catalog and so on and so forth So MGM is famous for the lion roaring logo, right? at the at the beginning of movies That is not a lion's roar It is actually the roar of a tiger tribute impress your friends Tray Lance Niners For Robert and Terry Bradshaw autograph legends auto eight out of ten for the Steelers Michael Gallucci and his Steelers Yeah, I didn't actually I actually did not know until Today when I was reading an article about how Amazon bought MGM 129 out of 199 Got a nice little cracked ice there. Who's who's that gonna be? Looks like he's in the quarterback stance And it's gonna be It's gonna be Kellan Mon 9 out of 10 Well, who goes to the Vikings and a Devonta Smith Yep, not a real line a different big cat. All right two boxes left Another 15 or 20 minutes left in the break ladies and gentlemen. Thank you Jeremy's needs last spot mode to start working its magic Who are we looking for for the Colts Jeremy? We got you have any Big rookie names for the Colts or anything like that? I guess quitty pay is the rookie that we're looking for So I've got some Michael Pittman juniors and whatnot. Oh Another legacy break is sold out Wait after break 5 or after break 4 that is oh Break 4 sold out. Maybe I'll maybe I'll give it to Give it to Sean All right, hawks ill up 5441 about a minute 30 left in the first half and Phillip the Sixers are cruising the Wizards aren't Philadelphia sixers of 9275 and the few minutes left in the third quarter Like I said half time I could switch over to NBA TV See what's going on there in that game Cubs need to trade them right away Rex get some get some pitching We got Thailand wall Wallace that is I'll save a quitty pay for you, Jeremy and a Zach Wilson Chrome card and Parallel Adam 23 out of 35 nice low number there. What have we been? I don't know if Adam's still in the chat But what have we been hearing about Zach Wilson and there's still a little bit of top-loader dust in there Hopefully good things. I don't know what they're doing for camp This rookie right here a brevin Jordan wanted to pop out 31 out of 75 mini another Justin Fields I Actually haven't heard. Yeah, me too. I was just gonna say I don't think I've heard any Raiders news Because I think the rookie mini camp for the Raiders Has it was pretty light. I think it was mostly like video conferencing and stuff like that Maybe some outdoor workout. I don't think they really were doing that much But just getting some rookies into training camp and just talking with them and stuff But I don't I want to say I don't think they really did too much heavy activity Some teams did But I think regular Regular slash optional OTAs are happening now non-manitory That's for everybody not just rookies and then we'll start to be mini camps. Yeah, I wonder I Guess I'll depend on the state. I don't know where Raiders are doing training camp this year in Vegas Or are they still going back to? Northern California There's Devonta Smith next to Panacea all this time Breaking the pattern It's Deontay John. Oh, there's Zach Wilson right there. So maybe they're just a cart off Now there's Zach Wilson for Adam. Oh So Jets training camps like five minutes from you. That's pretty cool Would that be their practice facility or is it like at a college or something like that? There's Amon Amon Ra St. Brown dual relic and autograph Amon goes to Detroit So they do at their practice facility. Okay That's I think that's where the Raiders did a couple of years. I don't know. There you go. Detroit Patrick Davis a little cat team mojo This Kenny G to 199 I think the Rams Their practice facility is in the Valley somewhere So a lot of the guy a lot of the players make their homes around there The Chargers maybe Orange County ish Somewhere around there was where they have their facilities usually the players live near their practice facility You might have some guys living near you or maybe they all live in this in the city proper New York might be a little different Denzel men's 29 out of 50 Jets autograph With the new coaching staff new quarterback new weapons You know Denzel mim's kind of his turn to shine It's Radham and his Jets I see so they used to practice at Hofstra on Long Island before they opened the facility You must right you must have players living in your town. There's Trevor Lawrence. All right final box coming up Jared got used to live I mean, he might still live here About a mile or so north of us Come and say hi Jerry got if you want to there's Trevor Lawrence again for the Jags will and the final box We haven't seen an autograph of one of the big rookies Talking the quarterbacks So let's see if we can find him in here Good luck everybody. Oh Nice furious back saw Leonard Williams at the movie theater in town. We have not seen any Well, I don't know now that things are opening back up maybe we'll see more more athlete sightings There's a whole food south of us Which is where? This is where a Kenley Jansen apparently Frequence The most famous person in the shop stop in the shop like without being invited. I Don't know actually actually don't know Must've been someone I'm not I'm not really on the store floor too often that someone would have told me though I would think I'll ask Find out tomorrow Right Jonathan gotta be Well, the the guys from the hundreds big Big streetwear clothing brand guys who run that came by the shop. I Wish golf longer and stopped by the shop. We would we would maybe exchange Rocky quotes maybe That would have been awesome 16 out of 35 under the lights rookie autograph tray sermon on the mount not trey lands, but trade. Oh, they're on the same team Yeah, two trays a trays on their draft board and that is Robert Flores with the San Francisco 49ers Oh, one of your co-workers lives a few times over neighbors with neighbors with James and Crowder Another Zach Wilson is James and Crowder nice Have to know Dave now, that's the first tray sermon I've seen well Right, yeah, we'll talk to Brady. There's JV and Hawkins using the black pen So He went from a Louisville Cardinal to To Falcon so he stayed a bird. She's met both of them very friend. Well, it's good to Doesn't sound like half the hits It's not over exaggerate. Well, I'll bet that they represent less than 10% of the hits There's a mini Tana Hill I Certainly been a lot of trays I Tiki Barber to 199 Will aka mr. Exaggerate I've got to meet in the middle somewhere Me in the middle But some people might take you literally and they'll be like well, I don't want to join breaks anymore And they won't join our breaks will because of your negative attitude and then they won't join our breaks and then breaks won't fill and Then we have to let people go then the shop closes down and then next thing you know Nick and I are selling veteran commons underneath the bridge in LA just to Just to maybe get a parsnip soup somewhere There's Patrick Mahone's mini to 75 and then where will we be will Sanders Mack Jones Or buttons. Yeah, I do have my button maker. Yeah, I'll be selling Nick. I'll be selling selling I have my button machine selling buttons and vet commons underneath the bridge. I'm not I'm gonna set it up Yeah, I got to make it maybe maybe I'll come in on Sunday and Hang out and make some buttons I will I will there's Jalen waddle. There's Mack Jones Yeah Hollywood doesn't follow football apparently. Yeah, they signed a quarterback in the first round. They drafted a quarterback in the first round Justin Fields Herbert's do not ship Because they are now second year her now.  I Could I could sleep out of my Tesla? Yeah, that's right. All right, let's do some randomizers and we'll do a recap So let's flip back to some nude ice to get an extra list here So we'll randomize the left right randomizer first and then we'll do the Tampa Bay Baltimore one the brown cousins Antonio Brown and Marquise Brown. I guess I didn't really pay attention to that Theming that together There you go. That's pretty cool Second year really a veteran though. Well, they're not rookies All right, so let's go back here. Let's roll it. Let's randomize it Three and a four seven times lucky seven for each list left right first one two three four five six And seventh and final time after seven times it'll be the left side getting these left right cards and for this three and a four seven times one two three four five six And seventh and final time. It'll be Tampa Bay That'll go to Diego. I think I called your number all break Diego, but there it is a little consolation prize here at the end And the recap one tray sermon that was Micah Parsons Just one tray sermon. I guess have to break not tray sermons There you go ladies and gentlemen. I'm joe for jaskiescasebreaks.com more coming up a little bit later tonight I'll see you for all of those tonight jaskiescasebreaks.com. Bye


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