This 10th year of Daily Tech News Show is made possible by you, the listeners. Thanks to every single one of you, including Creea Ardham, Tony Glass, Philip Less, and brand new patrons coming in under the wire at the end of the year. Starseed 33 and Alex. On this episode of DTNS, Molly Wood breaks down the Adobe Figma breakdown. Jason Howells here to tell us what he thinks will be the big new mobile trend for 2024 and Sony backtracks on removing discovery shows that you paid for. This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, December 22nd. Christmas Eve Eve Eve 2023 in Los Angeles. I'm Tom Merritt. And from the studio on Scooter Lane, suggested by Benjamin, I'm Sarah Lane. From Oakland, California, I'm Molly Wood. Drawing the top tech stories in Cleveland. I'm Len Peralta. I'm the show's producer, Roger Chang. And joining us, cohost of Android Faithful. Jason Howell. Hello, how's it going? It's so great to see all of you on the streams and do a podcast with you. Thank you. Oh, my gosh, I cannot think of a better way to wrap up 2023's live streams of Daily Tech News show than with this group right here. Y'all are the best. Thanks, everybody, for being here. Well, you see how you feel at the end of the show, Tom. Yeah, we'll check in in 30 minutes and find out. Let's let's start trying to ruin it with somebody's gringes in here. Android authorities, Michelle Raman, also found on the Android Faithful podcast, notes that Google introduced a new battery information page in the about phone section of settings. It shows the manufacturer date and cycle count of the device's battery thanks to a new Android 14 API. But Raman notes that lots of other battery data is also available in that API, including state of health, which estimates the battery's full charge capacity and a battery health page has shown up in Android 14 at QPR to beta two. But only if you know it's there and only if you manually activate it. None of this confirms that Google will be adding a battery health indicator to Android, but also signs are pointing to yes. China's National Press and Publication Administration wants to limit people spending money within video games. A new set of draft rules published Friday would make developers limit the amount of money players can spend in game. And display pop-ups to alert users when that spending is deemed irrational. Incentives such as daily sign-in rewards would also be banned, according to these new rules, as with large tips to game streamers. However, the administration also approved new games for publication, which has been a slow thing in China lately. Hyperloop One, the transportation startup that planned a type of high speed rail through tubes in a vacuum, is reportedly selling off all of its assets, laying off its remaining workers and preparing to shut down by the end of 2023. The company raised a $450 million in venture capital since its founding back in 2014 and completed a test track in Nevada back in 2020. Although the technology behind the Hyperloop is feasible, the cost effectiveness of the project does not apparently prove feasible itself. Today, no full-scale functioning Hyperloops exist anywhere in the world, although several companies are still developing the technology, including the Boring Company. Last month, the politicians said they had figured out a deal for a directive that would require employees of gig work platforms like Uber to be presumed employees. There were five indicators. If two of the five indicators were identified related to control and direction of work, you're an employee. However, EU laws need to pass the parliament and the European Council, which is made up of representatives of each country. Now, usually they do these agreements to ensure that the law will have smooth sailing through those bodies. But this directive did not pass the council. Spain blamed multiple countries. They said conservatives and liberals. Everybody's to blame. The rumor is that France is leading the resistance to the legal presumption of employment. That's their big objection. If minor changes can't be made that satisfy the council, then the directive is going to have to go back to negotiations. And that means it might not be resolved before the next EU elections. Everybody wants to see what chatbot is the best. And the Verge conducted tests of ChatGPT Plus and Gemini Pro to see how they compared to each other. Overall, each model was good at different things. Emilia David wrote, Bard is largely capable of going toe to toe with ChatGPT Plus, although it can offer some features like image generation yet. David also found that Bard was a little slower and a little more likely to decline to answer questions due to restrictions meant to prevent controversial or inaccurate responses. David also noted Bard is free and ChatGPT Plus caused $20 a month. All right. So this last quick hit is a little tricky. So let's set a few things straight ahead of time. Apple has been banned by the US International Trade Commission from importing watches that have the blood oxygen sensor that the ITC says violates the patent of a company called Mossimo. Apple has decided to stop selling its two watches that have that sensor, the Series 9 and the Ultra 2. It can send it can also not send more supplies to third parties because the watches are assembled overseas, so they can't import them and send them to third parties. But third parties can continue to sell whatever they have in stock. OK, so knowing all that will help you understand the news today. Apple cannot replace your out of warranty watch if it has a blood oxygen sensor. So if you go in and say, hey, the screen broke, they used to just swap in a new watch. Now they can't do that because that would be distributing the watch in violation of the patent. The only thing it can fix in that case is a software issue. However, if your watch is under warranty, Apple can honor the warranty and still replace it. You also can't exchange a Series 9 or an Ultra 2 that you bought earlier this year for a different one. Apple is appealing the ITC ruling and also said it's working on a way around the patent. And we'll see if either of those things happen any time soon. Well, it's good that Molly's here because we have a story about Sony. And you and I have a long history with stories about Sony going going back to the root kit days. Sony announced that discovery content it was going to have to remove from PlayStation users. Purchased libraries by December 31st will not be removed after all thanks to updated licensing arrangements. Now, granted, there aren't a lot of people that bought the stuff. Sony even ended its store a few years back. But hey, you paid for it. You probably want to keep it. This situation resulted from Sony not having the full rights to continue to offer shows despite selling them to you under the impression that they did. But I'm also going to put blame on discovery here because discovery holds the licenses. They if they had pulled them, it would have been Discovery's decision to say we're not going to come to a deal with Sony. Sony made a bad deal. Don't get me wrong. But Sony also didn't try to compensate people for lost shows. At least they didn't say they were going to. I think that was bad. But discovery was the one pull in the content, not Sony. Thankfully, all of this is moot. The two sides have decided for whatever reason they're not talking to agree on something that will let PlayStation users continue to access whatever of the around 1200 Discovery titles that would have been affected. So in the end, nothing's getting pulled. I mean, when for the folks that had, you know, had had bought their content and said, hey, wait a second. We we bought this content. How in the heck could you could you pull it? I'm a little surprised, to be honest, that the two companies made an about face on this because I think a lot of times the consumer is just the one that gets the rug ripped out from under them and, you know, is just sort of mad and that's the end of it. So, yeah, I mean, I get a win for anybody who and a few of you did write in saying I'm one of these people who who had a lot of content that is that is at risk of being pulled from me. I mean, I think this sort of goes back to a conversation that we have all been having for a really long time, which is that if it's bits, you probably don't own it. You know, I mean, you could and that that could be that could be because of licensing. It could be because of a fight between so and so. It could be because of a dream. Wow, when you make my video, I really realize I'm wearing this hat. I am wearing it. For those of you who can't see, it's an Oakland, Turkey, Trot hat from this year. Rocking Turkey. It's hot. It or it could be because of a massive data loss, right? I mean, it's sort of like your cloud infrastructure could be destroyed in all of your digital bits. Like it's just not a thing. You could sort of see why we move to a rental model when it comes to this idea of digital goods, because if it can't hold in your hand, it's probably it's like kind of like crypto, but not your key, not your crypto. Yeah, not your not your cloud service, not your digital video. That's not as catchy. But yeah, I mean, it's this whole story really taps into this idea of permanence when it comes to media in general, not just video content, you know, that you can access through your PlayStation. But like you were all saying, when we pay to own something that is purely digital, served in the cloud, wherever someone else's servers, there are a million different reasons why that ownership could suddenly be revoked. And as a consumer, like we've all lived through the days where we truly own things, where you bought a movie and you literally had the movie in your hand. And the only way you lost that is it was destroyed or you sold it or got rid of it or something like that. This this model for all the convenience and beauty that it does offer also has a serious downside, which is that nothing is permanent when we're talking ownership here. I think Tom, you nailed it when you have referred to this as like extended rental, you know, it's like longterm rental and that's exactly what it is. And I don't like that because I think the risk longterm is that we lose touch with all these things that are cultural touchstones, be it gaming, be it movie, TV, whatever, we used to know exactly where those things were forever. And obviously that's not the case anymore. There's a lot of these kinds of stores that will let you download a version and keep it locally and your risk is limited. But I still always look at it as I'm paying this to have a longterm rental of it. I can do a 24 hour rental for this price. I can have an sort of open ended rental for this price. And that's why I've always looked at this stuff. That said, there have not been very many instances where content has been removed from your library. We're always worried that it can happen. It absolutely can happen. They have the rights to make it happen. But this is a case and I think this will be forgotten because everybody will remember being mad about what was gonna happen and not what happened where public pressure definitely caused companies to come to an agreement that they weren't going to come to otherwise. And it bears out my premise that over the longterm and sometimes it's a little too long, consumers always win, I can think of one example in Europe where content was actually removed. And in that case, I think there was a refund. I know recently Google took down all of its magazines from a magazine store that hasn't been around for years but they let people download them and gave them refunds for any of the versions that when downloaded wouldn't be fully functional as they wouldn't have the interactive elements anymore. So I'm not saying don't get mad about this stuff. I'm saying getting mad about it apparently works because we don't have a lot of actual horror stories, just a lot of people getting upset. Yeah, agreed. I can actually think of times where there was an announcement about photo, photo services was the big one and has always been the big fear. And I'm trying to remember which photo service it was that sort of said we're gonna delete all, even when they migrate it and then delete it, there's a huge outcry. So yes, I agree, just don't, if yes on the one hand we're in this paradigm and digital bits could always just boop into the ether but we shouldn't accept that. If somebody is like, oh, I know you bought that and I know we told you that you bought it and we sold it to you for $20 instead of two but now we're gonna take it away. Your response as a consumer is no thank you. Yeah, make it very clear to discovery that if you don't come to an agreement with Sony on this stuff, a bunch of people who aren't going to be affected directly will no longer trust buying stuff and your potential market just got smaller. You don't wanna do that. So earlier this week, Evan Blass, you probably know him as Ev Leeks, uncovered a countdown clock to the next Samsung Galaxy unpacked event. Looks like it's gonna happen at 1 p.m. Eastern Wednesday, January 17th, waiting on the official word but Evan Blass is pretty good at uncovering this stuff. It also contained the phrase galaxy AI is coming. So that's pretty clear. There was a leaked spec sheet which overall didn't have too many surprises in it. But Jason, you looked at this in somebody who's covering Android continuously, you realized it kinda shows one of the big trends in mobile software for 2024. Tell me what you're thinking. Well, I mean, definitely I've had my mind in the world of Android for a long time and I've recently been very, very interested in the kind of the modern development of AI and generative AI and everything like that. And when I look at the smartphone industry right now, I see a lot of people who are once incredibly excited about everything new that is mobile. Mobile has reached this mature point where it's really hard for it to wow us. It's really hard for it to do things that are more than we've already seen. So the hardware innovation, we're not really seeing a whole lot of that. Maybe a little bit infoldables but that's not one of those things that's really winning the world over, right? Like it certainly has its devotees but it's not the total innovation that everybody's buying into. But when I look at the software and I look at the promise of what we've seen in the last five, seven years when it comes to AI on device, be that Siri, be that assistant, whatever it is. And the promise was there and it did some of those things but I think long term it also disappointed a lot of people. When I see where we're at with AI and primarily these chips, these AI chips being on device, the actual AI computations happening on device so that we don't, at least we have less to worry about as far as our data and our privacy going out in the cloud and what it's capable of, specifically what we've seen in the last year as far as advancement and growth in that industry. And then where we're headed right now, I think 2024 is gonna be a really big year for mobile because of what this integration of AI is going to do. It's gonna make us excited about software again because some of these advanced features that we're gonna see in these phones are actually gonna be incredibly useful. Hopefully they aren't totally disinformation machines but I think a lot of them are gonna be really useful in ways that we were hoping we would see five years ago and didn't quite materialize. And we're getting a lot more on device capability. Apple just published a white paper about that that is open for other people to use. And I know there's a lot of development being done at Samsung, around this Google obviously as well and open AI and anthropic, et cetera. So there's gonna be more that you'll be able to do without having to send that data off in the cloud too. Did Qualcomm make some announcements on that front as well? Yeah, yeah, they've got an AI neural processor kind of thing too, yeah, that's good, right? I wanna know what Jason thinks about the humane AI pin. Like as long as I just have you here. Speaking of mobile and AI.  But it's a really early example of where I think this stuff is headed and is it the right solution right now? Maybe not, like some of the projection onto the hand, that thing's a little bit silly, but I kinda understand why it exists. But it's new and different, right? But it's new and different, right. Like also one of the threads from this last year was the whole Johnny Ive doing a partnership with Open AI to work on something mobile that is really AI first. And that kinda sounded silly and funny at the time, but the more that I've seen the mobile developers, or not just developers, but the people making the hardware, bringing their chips on device and doing some really cool things with it, the more it really makes sense. It's kinda like the humane AI pin is like another version of what I believe Johnny Ive and Open AI are probably gonna be working on it and that they're all gonna be working towards in the next handful of years. So yeah, interesting, really cool time, I think. Yeah, I do think you're right that we need differentiated features on mobile to get people excited about phones. I mean, maybe we don't need them. Maybe as consumers we're fine. Like, you know what? If I can keep my phone longer and not have to buy a new phone, that's great. But if you wanna be excited and have something new out of your phone, it's gonna have to be software. It's going to have to be features because I think- Right, it's like there's only so many ways we can fold a phone and say, whoa, look at this one. When's the last time you got excited about a laptop form factor, right? Like, it's even with that. Yeah, I feel like we just sort of stopped caring because one works well. Right, and it works for as long as it works and that's fine and I want phones to be in that category because I want to actually be able to release myself from that screen. I like the idea of the humane AI, the on-lapel processing or frankly, like an earbud. Like bring on the bionics. I am in favor of being able to sort of offload some of these processes from the black mirror and onto something that is more like a wearable or is just more integrated. We've been talking about ambient computing which has not emerged yet forever. And so I'm excited about a universe in which that gets better and we deemphasize the laptop. The phone starts to become more like a laptop. It's just like, it's a utility.  And I need to be touching it right now. There's the road that humane AI is going down.  And if those two roads cross, you get what you want which is ambient computing that is in your head, in your eyes and easy to access just hopefully without a big headset, big clunky headset, right? Something that's a little, I don't know if it has to be implantable but something that's a little easier. I want my implant, I'm ready. You've been ready for years. Ah, really? Yeah. Cyborg me, let's go. All right, folks, we have lots of other stuff coming. We'll talk about our holiday shows coming and the Daily Tech News show YouTube channel is popping off these days. We've got Android Faithful on there. We've got the top five and top five is going throughout the holidays as well. Today is the top five tech news stories from 2023. If you want me to count down what I thought were the big stories from Silicon Valley Bank to open AI. Well, there's two of them. Find out what I think about them and find out what the other three are. Go check it out at youtube.com slash Daily Tech News show. On Monday, we passed along news that Adobe and product design company Figma called off plans to merge. Their reason concerns by regulators in both the EU and UK that Adobe would be abusing its monopoly position with Figma on board. Now, Molly, we know you've been following this story closely, so let's unpack what you think is going on here. Yeah, thank you for indulging me in this one. I know that this story is about a week old, but I cannot get enough of it because I think it is such an earthquake of a story in the startup and investment landscape specifically, and it says a lot about what we're going to be able to expect in terms of companies and startups being able to exit and get acquired in the future. You know, it's a big sign that the regulatory landscape has changed, but it's also, you know, when this, and frankly, it's a tech press story, like when this story broke that Adobe was intending to acquire Figma.  This was also a story that had like venture capitalists in the valley dancing the biggest jig you've ever seen and sort of saying this is proof positive that our industry still works because there'd been this kind of string of investment failures and sort of high profile hits, you had WeWork, you had Theranos, you had the whole kind of crypto rush and this is kind of an industry that has been looking for a hit since I would say Uber and so then they get this big Figma deal done, this big huge exit as they call it and a bunch of VCs are gonna make a ton of money as are the employees of Figma and the deal falling apart means that now some VCs are still going to get a lot of money because there's this billion dollar breakup fee but the employees are not and so it really changes the calculus I think for people who are gonna go work for startups, it does mean that venture capital missed another big exit like really again, missed this big success story that they were so smug about and then of course there's a whole bunch of other stuff that goes in it, like it's possible that because of the regulatory scrutiny, the actual merger was taking long enough that generative AI appeared and changed the entire design ball game and Adobe was like, you know what, actually it's totally worth us paying a billion dollars to make this go away because maybe we don't need it now as much as we did. You know, we don't always talk about the venture capital side of things on tech stories that are relevant, we think to our audience because, you know, it's often kind of inside baseball and largely financial. You mentioned the breakup fee and we talk about breakup fees happening when a company gobbles up another company or it is merged and there's a lot of money at stake. Is there ever a situation Molly where the employees get the breakup fee? I mean, is this just kind of the way that investment works? It is the way that investment works and I think what I've come to realize is like, yes it's a really big financial story but it's also a story that determines sort of what companies live and which ones fail and when and why they are pushed to develop technology in a way that maybe isn't in the best interest of the company or even the users or the employees, right? A lot of that is because of this mechanism and the way that they get funded by venture capital and they have to grow and they have to get bought by an Adobe type thing and the, when we talk about competition in the tech space it's this double-edged sword because of course investors want a lot of different companies to exist and a lot of technologies to exist but they also want them to get acquired by a bigger monopoly because that's a payout. So it's become this interesting fabric, I think, of the way that these tech companies develop and then to answer your actual question in terms of whether the employees ever get the breakup fee, like hell no, I mean maybe Figma could do the right thing by its employees and give out some very big bonuses. Yeah, but when you hear about the breakup fee it's not going to the people who have built this company that now is no longer getting acquired. Absolutely not. And in this case it's a free billion dollars for Figma to keep growing and it's a double kind of, like now Figma doesn't need to take on any more venture capital so nobody's going to be able to invest in this super hot company and get equity in it because they just got a free billion bucks from Adobe. Yeah, I wonder what this also means for the employees who do stick around, who are there. How does this change the environment for them? When you were that close to being acquired by probably the cream of the crop company that you would want to make your money that you've been waiting for and now that didn't happen. Do you settle? Do you continue? How does that impact the day to day at Figma going forward? I'm super curious to see that. I know, I'm curious too. I mean I would think that you would in some ways be excited. I know that a lot of employees and a ton of users were not excited about this. Right, we don't want to get absorbed into the machine. We want to continue to build cool products. Like the story of every company that gets acquired is that they get kind of starved of resources because they're part of a larger machine. So the people who really care about the mission are probably like, yay, we get to keep building cool stuff but also I was about to become, like for a lot of these employees, this was such a huge acquisition that a big, big, big number of them were about to become seven figure people and now they are not. And it's a- Not right away. Just straight up not. Not now. And maybe not ever. Maybe later. And maybe not ever because the window where you could just get bought by your competition for $20 billion has closed. That is over now. And so yeah, like it depends on where you're gonna go. They may indeed get a great payout when and if this company goes public or gets acquired by somebody else but it'll be a lot longer and it'll probably be smaller. And you pointed out to me when we were chatting over a text message that this changes, and you touched on it a little bit earlier, this changes what kind of companies might get funded if the possibility for these kinds of exits is now closed off. And you know, their venture capital, yes, it's tempting to go like, oh, boo-hoo, poor venture capitalists didn't get their payday but it also means they'll be more conservative in what kinds of companies they invest in. Which could be good or bad. I'm not saying it's one or the other but it's certainly gonna change it.  But it does, it's a big landscape change. And I think it does, we will start to see in 10 years we'll look back and go, oh, this is, it's hard to prove it negative. It will be hard to say, oh, these technologies didn't get funded or these companies didn't exist. Yeah, because they never got funded. Right, because they never got funded. Most likely we will start to see possibly some more responsible behavior, right? Not such big checks, not such huge distortions but what's most taking. It sounds like what you're saying is we might have fewer disruptive ideas succeed but we will have possibly more solid businesses out of this. Exactly, because the new benchmark is going to be can you make it as a business without getting acquired? And that's actually a good thing and it's a good thing for people who want to build something enduring and not just get rich really fast. Yeah. Well, I think the best way to get rich really fast is to be Len Peralta and make amazing art that everyone looks at it goes immediately. Oh my gosh, that art is too good. I have to commission Len right away. Right, Len? Absolutely true. As you can see behind Jason right there too. He's got my art right behind him as well. You know, and it's interesting if you don't mind me taking two seconds because this is a happy holidays art from TNT probably like 10, 12 years ago. I don't know when, but yeah, totally. Len, I love your art. Well, in that vein of Christmas. For IA's. I think you had a very, very sad for IA's in that image. You know, I'm not saying that Santa Claus had anything to do with some of the announcements today. He probably didn't have anything to do with the Adobe Figma deal. But this is, I gotta say it's been, this is quite a Christmas present. You've got the Discovery thing on Sony. You've got the Galaxy AI coming January 17th and of course, the Figma deal, which it looks like in this picture that Santa is sort of poofing it away with his finger. That bastard's just kidding. Exactly, just kidding. This is the actual holiday image for this year. Happy holidays to everybody. This is available right now at Patreon.  Or you can just go the old fashioned route, go to my online store, order something from me. Maybe a last minute Christmas gift. I can't guarantee it'll be there before Christmas, but you can still commission me and happy holidays, merry Christmas to everybody. Guaranteed by Epiphany. Exactly. Well, it is a fun pre-holiday show, not least in part because Molly Wood is here with us. Molly let folks know where they can keep up with your latest.  I have just finished my first year of everybody in the pool, the podcast about climate solutions. You can find it in any podcast player or at everybodyinthepool.com. I did a clip show and I love it. Jason Howell also with us, wearing a very dapper hat. I must say. Jason, you are now part of Android Faithful. We're so happy to have you back in the fam. Let's folks know where else they can keep up with your latest. I'm so happy to be back in the fam and to be doing Android Faithful. So I have a newsletter. It is free, freejasonnewsletter.com. The reason I set this up is because I'm figuring out what my business is now that I'm an independent podcaster. And so if you subscribe to this newsletter as the URL says it's free, then as I know more about all the things I'm working on, I guarantee I will keep you updated there and then you can support me in all the different places that I end up and that's coming soon. More details to come. Thank you for having me. I'm so excited about that, Jason. Good stuff. I'm super excited. Go check it out. Veronica Belmont, thank you for being with us. Tell us what you are up to these days. Yeah, thank you so much for bringing me on as a Adobe Figma subject matter expert. Love sharing my opinions on that. You can find me as always at Veronica on most of the things. But yeah, great to see you all. It was a wonderful, wonderful podcast. Oh my goodness. Surprise! What just happened? I know my mind blew into pieces under this hat. Also, hey, A-Holes. Way to trick me into talking about Adobe Figma with Veronica in the background. Like, cool, super cool, super cool. That's hilarious. Veronica, how about this? Are you even allowed to talk about it, Veronica? I would pick not. I have no official opinion. Yeah, I haven't talked to them for a year and a half. I just know. I was pretty actually bummed, honestly. Like, I know I'm coming a little bit late into the game, but people at Adobe internally were very excited about the deal. So I know it was a bit of a heartbreak for a lot of them. A lot of people worked really hard on it. Personally, I think it should have gone through, but I have a ton of bias there. So probably not the best person to ask. All right. Well, don't forget, folks, next week we have our holiday specials. Monday, we're off, but Tuesday is our listener co-host show. Wednesday, our best of DTNS and GDI. And Joe did a stellar job. You're not going to want to miss that. Thursday, we look at our predictions from last year and see how we did. Friday, we make our predictions for 2024. 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From around the globe, it's theCUBE with coverage of KubeCon and CloudNativeCon Europe 2020 virtual. Brought to you by Red Hat, the CloudNative Computing Foundation and ecosystem partners. Hi, I'm Stu Miniman and welcome to theCUBE's coverage of KubeCon, CloudNativeCon 2020 in Europe. Of course, the event this year was supposed to be in the Netherlands. I know I was very much looking forward to going to Amsterdam. This year, of course, is going to be virtual. I'm really excited the Kube's coverage. We've got some great members of the CNCF. We've got a bunch of end users. We've got some good thought leaders. And I'm also bringing a little bit of the Netherlands to help me bring in and start this keynote analysis. Happy to welcome back to the program. My co-host for the show, Upe Piscar, who is an industry analyst with TLA. Thank you, Upe, so much for joining us. And we wish we could be with you in person and check out your beautiful country. Absolutely. Thanks for having me, Stu. And I'm still a little disappointed we cannot eat the Chinay Sarai's Tafel together this year. Yeah, can we just have a segment to explain to people the wonder that is the fusion of Indonesian food and the display that you get only in the Netherlands, Raj Tafel. I seriously had checked all over the U.S. and Canada when I was younger to find an equivalent, but one of my favorite culinary delights in the world. But we'll have to put a pin in that. You've had some warm weather in the Netherlands recently and so many of the Europeans take quite a lot of time off in July and August, but we're going to talk about some hardcore tech. KubeCon, a show we love doing. The European show brings good diversity of experiences and customers from across the globe. So let's start. The keynote, Priyanka Sharma, the new general manager of the CNCF. Of course, they're just some really smart people that come out and talk about a lot of things. And since it's a foundation show, there's some news in there, but it's more about how they are helping corral all of these projects. Of course, the theme we've talked about for a while is KubeCon was the big discussion for many years about Kubernetes. Still important, and we'll talk about that, but so many different projects and everything from the sandbox, their incubation through when they become fully generally available. So I guess I'll let you start and step back and say, when you look at this broad ecosystem, you work with vendors, you've been from the customer side, what's top of mind for you? What's catching your attention? So I guess from a cloud native perspective, looking at the CNCF, I think you hit the nil on the head. This is not about any individual technology, CNCF isn't about just Kubernetes or just Prometheus or just service mesh. I think that at value of the CNCF and the way I look at it at least, looking back at my customer perspective, I would have loved to have a organization kind of curate the technology world around me for me to help me out with the decisions on a technology perspective that I needed to make to kind of move forward with my IT stack and with the requirements my customer had or my organization had to kind of move that into the next phase. And that's where I see the CNCF come in and do their job really well to help organizations both on the vendor side as well as on the customer side kind of take that next step, kind of see around the corner what's new, what's coming and also make sure that between different maybe even competing standards, the right ones kind of surface up and become the de facto standard for organizations to use. Yeah, a lot of good thoughts there, you but I wanna walk through that stack a little bit but before we do a big statement that Priyanka made, I thought it was a nice umbrella for her keynote, it's a foundation of doers powering end user driven open source. So as I mentioned, you worked at a service provider, you've done strategies for some other large organizations. What's your thought on the role of how the end users engage with and contribute to open source? One of the great findings I saw a couple of years ago as you said it went from open source being something that people did on a weekend to the sides to many end users and of course lots of vendors have full time people that their jobs are to contribute and participate in the open source communities. Yeah, I guess that kind of signals a maturity in the market to me where organizations are investing in open source because they know they're gonna get something out of it. So back in the day, it was not necessarily certain that if you put a lot of effort into an open source project for your own gain, for your own purposes, that that would work out. And now with the backing of the CNCF as well as so many member organizations and end user organizations, I think participating in open source becomes easier because there's more of a guarantee that what you put in will kind of circulate and come out and have value for you in a different way. Because if you're working on a service mesh, a model organization might be working on Prometheus or Grinities or another project. And so organizations are now kind of helping each other with the CNCF as a gatekeeper to move all of those technology stacks forward instead of everyone kind of doing it for themselves, maybe even being forced to reinvent the wheel for some of those technology components. So let's walk through the stack a little bit and the layers that are out there. So let's start with Kubernetes. The discussion has been Kubernetes that won the container orchestration battles, but whose Kubernetes am I gonna use? For a while it was would it be distributions? We've seen every platform basically has, at least one Kubernetes option built into it. So it doesn't mean you're necessarily using this. Before AWS had their own flavor of Kubernetes, there was at least 15 different ways that you could run Kubernetes on top of it. But now they have ECS, they have EKS, even things like Fargate now work with EKS. So interesting innovation and adoption there. But VMware baked Kubernetes into vSphere 7. Red Hat of course with OpenShift has thousands of customers and has great momentum. We saw SUSE by Rancher to help them move along and make sure that they get embedded there. One of the startups that you've worked with, SpectroCloud helps play into the mix there. So there is no shortage of options. And then from a management standpoint, companies like Microsoft, Google, VMware, Red Hat, how do I manage across clusters because it's not going to just be one Kubernetes that you're going to use. We're expecting that you're gonna have multiple options out there. So it sure doesn't sound boring to me yet or reach full maturity you. What's your take? What advice do you give to people out there when they say, hey, okay, I'm gonna use Kubernetes, I'm using, I've got hybrid cloud or I probably have a couple things. How should they be approaching that and thinking about how they engage with Kubernetes? So that's a difficult one because it can go so many different ways just because like you say, the market is maturing, which means we're kind of back at where we kind of left off virtualization a couple of years ago where we had managers of managers, managing across different data centers, doing the multi-cloud thing before it was a cloud thing. We have automation during day two operations. I saw one of the announcements for this week will be a vendor coming out with day two operations automation to kind of help simplify that stack of Kubernetes in production. And so the best advice I think I have is don't try to do it all yourself, right? So Kubernetes is still maturing, it is still fairly open in a sense that you can change everything which makes it fairly complex to use and configure. So don't try and do that part yourself necessarily either use a managed service which there are a bunch of spectro crowd for example, as well as platform nine even the bigger players are now having those platforms because Indian Kubernetes is kind of the foundation of what you're gonna do on top of it. Kubernetes itself doesn't have business value in that sense. So spending a lot of time especially at the beginning of a project figuring that part out, I don't think makes sense especially if the risk and the impact of making mistakes is fairly large like make a mistake in a monitoring product and you'll be able to fix that problem more easily but make a mistake in a Kubernetes platform and that's much more difficult is especially because I see organizations kind of build one cluster to rule them all instead of leveraging what the cloud offers which is just spin up another cluster even spin it up somewhere else because we can now do the multi-cloud thing we can now manage applications across Kubernetes clusters we can manage many different clusters from a single pane of glass. So there's really no way or no reason anymore to kind of see that Kubernetes thing as something really difficult that you have to do yourself hence just do it once. Instead my recommendation would be to look at your processes and figure out how can I figure out how to have a Kubernetes cluster for everything I do maybe that's per team maybe that's per application or per environment per cloud and then kind of work from that because again Kubernetes is not the holy grill it's not the end state it is a means to an end to get where we're going with applications with developing new functionality for customers. Well I think you hit on a really important point if you look out in the social discussion sometimes Kubernetes and multi-cloud get attacked because when I talk to customers they shouldn't have a Kubernetes strategy they have their business strategy and there are certain things that they're trying to how do I make sure everything is secure and I'm looking at DevSecOps I need to really have an edge computing strategy because that's going to help my business objectives and when I look at some of the tools that are going to help and get me there well Kubernetes, service meshes some of the other tools in the CNCF are going to help me get there and as you said I've got managed services cloud providers, integrators are going to help me build those solutions without me having to spend years to understand how to do that. So yeah I'd love to hear any interesting projects you're hearing about edge computing, security space has gone from super important to even more important if that's possible in 2020, what are you hearing? Yeah so the most interesting part for me is definitely the DevSecOps movement where we're basically not even allowed to call it DevOps anymore security has finally gained a foothold and they're finally able to kind of shift lift the security practices into the realm of developers simplifying it in a way and automating it in a way that it's no longer a trivial task to integrate security and there's a lot of companies supporting that even from a Kubernetes perspective integrating with Kubernetes or integrating with networking products on top of Kubernetes and I think we finally have reached a moment in time where security is no longer something that we really need to think about again because the CNCF is kind of helping us select the right projects helping us in the right direction so that making choices in the security realm becomes easier and becomes a no brainer for teams, both the security teams as well as the application development teams to integrate security. Well, I'm glad to hear we've solved security we can all go home now, that's awesome but no, in all seriousness, it's such an important piece lots of companies spending time on there and it does feel that we are starting to get the process and organization around so that we can attack these challenges a little bit more head on. How about service mesh? It's one of those things that's been a little bit contentious the last couple of years of course ahead of the show, Google is not donating Istio to the foundation instead, well the trademarks open. I'm gonna have an interview with Liz Rice to dig into that piece. In the ever, the chess moves, Microsoft is now putting out a service mesh so as Corey Quinn says the plural of service mesh must be service meches so it feels like Mr. Meeseeks for any Rick and Morty fans, we just keep pressing the button and more of them appear which might cause us more trouble but what's your take? Do you have a service mesh coming out? Kelsey Hightower had a fun little thing on Twitter about it, what's the state of the state? Yeah, so I won't be publishing a service mesh maybe I'll try and re-crawl someone but we'll see what happens. But service meshes are, they're still a hot topic. It's still one of the spaces that's where most discussion is kind of geared towards. There is yet to form a single standard, there is yet a kind of single block of companies creating a front to kind of solve that service mesh issue. And I think that's because in the end service meshes are from a complexity perspective. They're not mature enough to be able to kind of commoditize into a standard, right? I think we still need a little while and maybe ask me this question next year again and we'll see what happens. But we'll still need a little while to kind of let this market shift and let this market innovate because I don't think we've reached the end state with service meshes. Also kind of gauging from customer interest and actual production implementations. I don't think this has trickled down from the largest companies that have the most requirements into kind of the smaller companies, the smaller markets which is something that we do usually see. Now Kubernetes is definitely doing that. So in terms of service meshes, I don't think the innovation has reached that endpoint yet and I think we'll still need a little while which will mean for the upcoming period that we'll kind of see this head to head from different companies trying to gain a foothold, trying to lead a market, introduce our own products. And I think that's okay. And I think the CNCF will continue to kind of curate that experience up to a point where maybe somewhere in the future we will have a non-competing standard to finally have something that's commoditizing easy to implement. Yeah, it's an interesting piece. One of the things I've always enjoyed when I go to the show is just wonder and the things you bump into are like, oh my gosh, wow, look at all of these cool little projects. I don't think we are going to stop that Cambrian explosion of innovation and ideas. When you go walk around, there's usually over 200 vendors there and a lot of them are open source projects. Now I would say many of them when you have a discussion with them, I'm not sure that there's necessarily a business behind that project and that's where you also see maturity in spaces. A year or so ago in the observability space, open tracing helped pull together a couple of pieces. Storage is starting to mature. Doesn't mean we're going to get down to one standard. There's still a couple of storage engines out there. I have some really good discussions this week to go into that, but it goes from, boy, storage is a mess to, oh okay, we have a couple of uses and just like storage in the data center, there's not a box or a protocol to do anything. It's what's your use case, what performance, what clouds, what environments you're living on and therefore you can do that. So it's good to see lots of new things added but then they mature out and they consolidate and as you said, the CNCF is help giving those road maps, those maps, the landscapes, which boy, if you go online, they have some really good tools. Go to CNCF, the website and you can look through, Cheryl Hung put one, I'm trying to remember, which it's basically like a bull's eye of the ones that, here's the one that's fully baked and here's the ones that are making its way through and the customer feedback and they're gonna do more of those to help give guidance because no one solution is gonna fit everybody's needs and you have these spectrums of offering. You, wild card for you, are there any interesting projects out there, new things that you're hearing about, what areas should people be poking around that might not be the top level big things? So I guess for me, and that was really personal because I'm still kind of an infrastructure geek in that sense. So one of the things that really surprised me was a more traditional vendor, Zerdo in this case, with a fantastic solution. Finally, they're doing data protection for Kubernetes and my recommendation would be to look at companies like Zerdo in a data protection space, finally making that move into containers because even though we've kind of had, we've completed the discussion stateful versus stateless, there's still a lot to be said for thinking about data protection if you're gonna go all in into containers and into Kubernetes. So that was one that really provoked my thought, I really was interested in seeing, okay, what's Zerdo doing in this list of CNCF members? And for that matter, I think other vendors like VMware, like Red Hat, like other companies that are kind of moving into this space with a regained trust in their solutions is something that I think is really interesting and absolutely worth exploring during the event to see what those more traditional companies to use a term are doing to innovate with their solutions and kind of helping the CNCF and the cloud native world become more enterprise ready. And that's kind of the point I'm trying to make where for the longest time, we've had this cloud native versus traditional but I always thought of it like cloud native versus enterprise ready or proven technology. This is kind of for the developers doing a new thing. This is for the IT operations teams and we're kind of seeing those two groups, at least from a technology perspective being fused into kind of one new blood group making their way forward and kind of innovating with those technologies. So I think it's interesting to look at the existing vendors and the CNCF members to see where they're innovating. Well, you connected a dotted line between the cloud native insights program that I've been doing. You were actually my first guest on that. We've got a couple of months worth of episodes out there and it is closing that gap between what the developers are doing and what the enterprise was.  You know, how do we build applications? And is it that bottom up versus top down and what a company needs? They need to be able to react fast. They need to be able to change along the way. They need to be able to take advantage of the innovation that ecosystems like this have. So I love the emphasis the CNCF has making sure that the end users are gonna have a strong voice because as you said, the big companies have come in, not just, you know, VM or Red Hat, but, you know, IBM and Dell are behind those two companies and, you know, HPE, Cisco, you know, many others out there that, you know, the VMits out there, not to mention, of course, the big hyper scale clouds that helped start this. You know, we wouldn't have a lot of this without Google kicking off with Kubernetes, AWS, front and center and an active participant here and if you talk to the customers, they're all leveraging it and, of course, Microsoft. So it is a robust, big ecosystem. You, thank you so much for helping us dig into it. Definitely hope we can have events back in the Netherlands in the near future and great to see you as always. Thanks for having me. All right, stay tuned. We have, as I said, full spectrum of interviews from theCUBE. They'll be broadcasting during the three days and of course go to theCUBE.net to catch all of what we've done this year at the show as well as all the back history. Feel free to reach out to me, I'm at Stu on Twitter and thank you as always for watching theCUBE.


Battle space shaping is a huge capability that we bring to the fight. Today what we ended up doing was an amphibious landing on the beach and then pushed into the hinterland so that follow-on forces could have an idea of what they're looking at. For Bold Alligator, what we're testing out is really getting those reports back from the beach to the ship. We've been sending people through dive school, practicing hydrographic surveys, beach reps. All of our insert capabilities make it easier to insert into places that would be harder for conventional forces to get to. It allows commanders to make better timely decisions on what forces they want to bring in after us and gives them a better idea of what's happening on the ground. It's building our readiness. We're shifting back to amphibious routes. Moving that shift more to maritime forces again. We're putting a lot more effort into building our readiness as a sea-going military. Moving from ship to shore and taking inland objectives, getting back to what we really do as Marines. This is what we have right now. This is what makes the Marine Corps amphibious. Without this we wouldn't be the kind of unit that we are, the Marine Corps as a whole. So bringing these vehicles to the fight and coming with that kind of firepower and overwhelming force and essentially opening up the supply lines for the rest of the BLT or Special Purpose MAGTAP to move through and utilize those routes. The more that we can get out, the more that we can operate, that's always going to be priceless training for the Marines.


And we'll go back in this part two to our movie reaction of Home Dill Day, Chukey Sanam. Do you think I could say that any wider? Probably not. Directed and written by Sanjay Leibansali starring Ashwari Rai, Salman Khan and Ajay Devgan. If you haven't watched our first part, please go watch the first part of this and come back. If you're watching this on YouTube, you're gonna see a very cut up version. You can only see about five to 10 minutes of very cut up footage in each part as you guys hopefully know by now. If you'd like to see the full in cut versions though you can head over to Patreon right babe. Sure can. I'll put the link in the description below in the pinned comment. Here we go. If you find Kulia, you'll be sure to talk to me. Oh wow. Don't get me wrong. Oh no. Nandini's having to apologize for stuff that she shouldn't be apologizing for. I just wanna say. If you find Kulia, you'll find your son somewhere else. Cut! This is where they try to cut each other's kite. Yes. Kaipoche, Kaipoche, Kaipoche, Kai. Cut! I thought that J Devgan was gonna come in and cut his kite.  From kissing? Why do you say stuff like that? Hmm. She's not like the other grandma. She's a cool grandma. She's not like the other grandma. She's like a dead body. But you send him back?  Now I do not like the dad.  You're so bad, Dad. I didn't get it. These are not good people. All of you are terrible. Kissing and making babies. Hugging in the temple. The scandal. You don't have to embarrass me. Tell me, Nandini. Nandini, tell me! Have you been hurt? I have abandoned my music since today. That's why.. I am begging you, Nandini. It's time to take some grudakshina. I have given you the knowledge. Please, promise me. You will not try and make any relation with me. That's my grudakshina. Who put that lantern in the middle of that?  Hey, Ray. Burn the whole place down. Look at that shot. He loves symmetry. Back in the desert. Look at those eyes. Are we going to tell bye?   Fire song, by the way. Yeah. That song. That was absolutely fire. Sorry. Had to get popcorn. Let's see if she... Succeeded in killing herself. I have my doubts. My bet is no. We were in the preparation for the wedding. We were also in the preparation. We even printed the card. And this... The first card and the first one was for you. I'm sure... That my love will take you to me. I'll wait for you. For you. I should have thought about that... Earlier. Let's say we're not. It's fair. This is why you're right. I have to wake up at 4 in the morning. Should I go to sleep? Did this wedding force you? Or did I not like you? Or something else? Tell me, Nandini. Before it's too late. Be quiet. Nothing will happen. Open the door. I hear Shah Rukh Khan's voice but I don't see Shah Rukh Khan. Baba was also saying, go and see. What did he want to see? Am I alive or dead? You're still talking about that? Come with me. What is this? You haven't even made your hair. Don't forget that you're the bride of this house. You're such a good husband. You're such good people.  But this is a burden for me. Why don't you try to understand? Why don't you try to understand? And his father is happy and I am happy. What did you feed Baba? We also found out. We didn't even drink water from our daughter's house.  Really? I won't taunt you? I'm a boy's mother. I see. This is Sabir's letter. Sabir's letter? When did you come? A few months ago. And a few months after. But I was scared to give it to you. But I didn't get a chance. I was very late then. Uncle Victor, you're never late in love. True. Maybe we could have met. But you couldn't find Sabir. Nandini, I'm going to the temple. Will you come with me? No, you go. Don't read them when the wind is blowing in like a hurricane. See what I tell you. I tried to tell you. Why were those just on that table? That's not drag people. Well, okay. Her body would not belong to you. It's basically the old switcheroo of Kuch Kuch Wata Hai. That's why he didn't Kuch Kuch Wata Hai. He knew it would come back to him. Wow. Truth bombs. Snaps, Ajay. Are we in Natalia?  It's very difficult. Oh, she has a photograph. I'll open it. No, I'll do it myself. She don't need no man. Well, she might for this. But other things. Wow, big strong man. I thought I recognized that poster.   Calm down. That guy is totally a dad in the 90s. He's dressed just like it. You stay here, I'll go inside and ask. The best kind of footwork. Excuse me. I'm looking out for somebody who's a musician. He would be doing that in there. I thought it wasn't going to be him. But he wasn't even there. Or he's Jesus like I think. You think he's Jesus? I don't know who he is. He keeps talking to the sky. I'm still confused. Oh, good lord. I think you just ordered a prostitute. What was that? What was that? He was a very good Indian musician. He just wasn't the right one. Very dramatic opening of a door there. I don't have words. Oh.  How'd you get that far? Push the old lady out of the way. Oh. Oh. Why is she being so mean to him? He's helping her. Such sad eyes she has. Or happy eyes. Depending on the time. She has eyes. You saw the drawing, that's him. Still so confused as to who he is. Thank you. What a cool shot. He's still over there. Silly ashore, yeah. With benefits. Tell me something. Tell me.  I know. Come down, Han Solo. Your smile. It's true. We were there. I couldn't help myself. How could he? I don't like that man. I don't like that man. Thank you. I love you, Jesus. Jesus. He's Jesus. See, I was right. The entire time, Salman is Jesus Christ. We need to follow the red bus. Please. White people. Just crazy. Reckless. White people are just reckless.  Like this, all of them.  Why is his voice like... Boy, that has played it quickly. What's his voice like? It really took a turn. It took a turn. You hear me? Damn. You don't get in cars with white people. I don't think she's dead. Did they not leave the keys in the car or something? Pick a better surface, man. You look much better because you have a loving and caring husband. You look much better because you have a loving and caring husband. Don't worry. It's only formality. Please. No treatments until you pay your previous bills. You have to raise the money as soon as possible. Sorry. Yeah. Wouldn't Samir's mom have told him that she's here? No. Maybe he didn't go home. Oh, yes. They did come off. They lied. I thought they were honest people. And that would be our part two reaction to Home Dill Dead Chucky Sanam. If you saw us on YouTube, obviously you saw a very cut up version. If you'd like to see the full uncut version, and like the end of it that's not out yet, you can head over to Patreon. I'll put a link in the description below in the pinned comment. You can go check that out. And are you ready? I'm ready.


Nanotechnology has the potential to overcome many of the limitations associated with traditional treatments for cancer. Significant advances have been made in developing nanomaterials that can target cancer cells specifically while also delivering drugs more efficiently than conventional methods. These nanomaterials can be tailored to increase drug loading, improve half-life in the body, control release, and even selectively distribute them within the body. Polymeric nanomaterials, metallic nanoparticles, carbon-based materials, liposomes, and dendramas have all been developed as smart drug delivery systems for cancer treatment, offering enhanced pharmacokinetics and pharmacodynamics compared to conventional formulations due to their small size and unique physical and chemical properties. The data presented in the literature suggests that nanotechnology will play a key role in the development of new cancer treatments and anti-cancer therapies. This review summarizes the progress made so far in nanomaterial engineering for cancer therapy, including strategies for targeting and releasing drugs for effective cancer administration. It also highlights some of the challenges associated with nanotoxicity, which is often... This article was authored by P. N. Navya, Anubhav Khaful, S. P. Srinivas, and others. We are article.tv, links in the description below.


If you're actually preparing for partner manager interviews but have no offers by now, you must make the following four mistakes. I guarantee you that's one of the reasons kill your job offer that could cost you $800,000 per year of mistakes. And the mistakes happen between entry-level partner manager that makes $100,000 per year all the way up to very senior partner manager even directors that making over $800,000 per year. In this video, I'm gonna cover the top four most asked interview questions most typical mistakes when you go to partner manager interviews. Stay until the end of the video where I share with you guys the quality of those answers that differentiate entry-level PMs all the way to senior level PMs. It all lies down how we answer those specific questions. Hey guys, this is Dr. Nancy Lee, a director product and featured in Forbes. I've helped 100 people blend their dream PM job offer in fan companies, a unique startup and continue to get promoted as a product leader. If you're interested in partner management course, go to pmpactsearcher.org to learn more. In this channel, we talk about free product management training and tech trends. Like and subscribe, watch the new video every Tuesday. The number of mistakes people make in those interviews is don't talk about your salary. In those interviews, even in the first round interviews, recruiters will likely to ask you this question. Number one, what's your salary expectation? Number two, how much you're getting paid right now? If your answer is way too high above the budget, they will reject you immediately just based on the first round interview. Of course, you cannot give a too low number because we're getting low offer towards the end. Or people feel like maybe you're not a confident candidate, only want to ask $50,000 per year as a product manager. So it's very fine balance in terms of the salary range you should give other people. I highly recommend during this primary recruiting season, everyone just give a range of salary so that you're safe in terms of all their budget is falling in between your range.  You can only give them a very high number upfront and then negotiate later on with them. But I do not recommend unless you know exactly how much they're getting paid to the current employees right now. So therefore a range is a safer choice. On top of that, your range should also be reasonable and related to the specific level and specific companies. Let me give you a specific example. For example, in Amazon, if you already have some kind of work experience, but you can transition into product management or you're already product manager for one or two years experience and you jump to Amazon, you can easily get paid $300,000 per year if you know how to negotiate your salary correctly. And if you're someone who can lend a product manager job in Waymo, it's extremely likely they'll pay you above $300,000 per year. Even if the job description only say that we only some of two years job experience. However, you are competing with someone from Google and other places working for Waymo. So therefore Waymo is paying people at 98 percentile in the job market. This is based on the internal employee working for Waymo told me that they're getting paid 98 percentile salary range within the industry. So as long as you can get it, they must pay you even higher than Google because they hire Google product manager to work for Waymo. So you are getting paid at least $300,000 per year if you can join this type of companies. We also have people join a snowflake competitor and he's getting paid over $440,000 per year and he does not have product management experience, but he had more AI ML experience. He had, we were able to package his past experience to demonstrate he's already have transfer skills to be AI product manager. And that's why AI is such a hot domain and that company snowflake competitor was able to pay him over $400,000 per year in terms of total compensation. Of course, if you join a startup and it likely they pay you about $200,000 per year, if you have some kind of work experience, if your entry level depends on East Coast or vessel companies, the salary is also different. Could be around $100,000 per year for entry level. So the range is really, really big. So therefore, I recommend all of you guys to understand the specific company, specific location, specific title and industry to give the correct range. And in this video, I talked about my specific salary from 2009 all the way to 2013. How much I get paid in different type of roles, different type of companies, you can use it as a reference to decide what type of salary range you should ask in your job interviews. The second biggest mistake for people to make in the job interview is not asking criminal fine questions correctly. For example, in the product manager interview, it's likely they're going to give you a case, product design case. The case question could be design a kitchen or design a dating app could also be design an Uber app for blind people. All those are typical product design interview questions for all the way to fan levels, to startups, they will ask you those kind of questions all day long. But the number biggest mistake that candidate work in those interviews always ask the wrong clearing questions. For example, if I asked you to design a kitchen and literally had heard candidate said design kitchen for who tell me is for what type of kitchen you mean commercial kitchen or home kitchen. So tell me what type of kitchen you want me to design and then I can design for you. This is a wrong clearing thing questions are from because you basically ask the interviewer help you to decide the customer segmentation and the prioritization of customer segmentations as well. So it's very likely you're going to fail this interview just based on the wrong clearing questions you ask. People may also ask the wrong question regarding the goal of the company. For example, this is a real Google interview questions, design an app for museum. If you ask this clearing frame questions are from saying that why Google want to design an app for museum. Well, this will be a bad claim for your questions to ask from was because you should understand Google's mission and you should also try to guess why we're solving this problem. And you're trying to think through your perspective, thinking about what the purpose designing an app for museum, why Google is interesting on this mission to connect with the mission of Google directly and then go out to give a specific answers and then make some assumptions towards the end. You can ask is this assumption is correct based on my understanding of why we design an app for museum for Google. There are 10 different kind of clearing frame questions are from the beginning of any case interviews. You should go to this website and download those cheat sheet about 10 different kind of clearing frame questions and use it for inspiration to understand what type of interview questions you ask, what kind of clearing frame questions and match them with the type of cases you have and also based on type of levels you have. I'm going to link it in the description of this video so you can download right there. The third mistake is not knowing how to talk about why you want to become a product manager. This is most asked interview questions from lots of time people made a mistake by saying, oh, I want to transition into PM because I really love product management. They use the wrong keyword, which is transition into PM. The main reason is that 91% product manager is a transition into product management. You don't need to highlight the fact that you made a transition. In fact, you should tell them that your transfer skills you have. You should already tell them that I have done related product management functions in the past and I know how to write product requirements. I know customer persona through different kind of product management training. I actually have hands-on experience talking to customers to conduct voice-to-customer interviews to understand the pain point. So you should never talk about your transition into product management, instead talk about your transferable skills. Whenever you say the keyword transition, people always feel like, ah, I need to hire someone else with more experience. That is going to kill your job opportunities. Another important reminder, the best way to really repackage a past experience regarding transferable skills is actually learn product management upfront because you cannot fake it to say, I have this experience, but you never done that. I never learned it. So it's really bad to show up in the interview that way. So therefore I highly encourage everyone to take any product management classes and also gain some hands-on experience by building a product portfolio so that you can show them you actually done that before. That's the best way to transition into product management with full confidence. And there's so many different classes you can choose outside on the market and actually my best investment, guess what? It's those $300 English pronunciation class. I had a live class, group coaching classes. Someone with a coach provides specific advice to me regarding, hey, how would you be able to pronounce your English much better? It's from a nonprofit called Boston Adult Education Center. It's the best investment of $300 I can ever make in my life. And they also invest $8,000 into public speaking skills, $22,000 to learn different kind of product management skills and hands-on experience. And all of those is going to give you a big payback as well. So therefore I encourage everyone to take any kind of classes out there to really gain skills so that you don't need to talk about your transition, actually master those skills before you even become a product manager. And 91% of people out there, they transition into product management, you can do it as well. If you like the tips I provide so far, make sure to like this video and let's see strategy number four. Number four is the most made mistake even by senior product managers out there. It's not knowing how to talk about the scope of your project and scope of work and demonstrate your scope of thinking. There are two different ways to demonstrate the scope of thinking. One is through your scope of product design. The other one is through your scope of managing past complex project. First of all, let me tell you why scope of thinking is the most important thing to qualify you for senior opinion position and also get paid significantly more was because the company expects someone who is able to manage a very complex situation cross functional stakeholders as a product manager. This must have scale as a lead without authority. If your product manager asks you this question, for example, tell me a time we had to manage complex situation we had deal with multiple stakeholders where the competing needs. These are typical interviewing questions, but I have so many senior product managers with over 10 years experience. They are not how to answer this question correctly because they just only talk about the complexity within the project, but they forgot to talk about the scope of the work. For example, if I answer the question at very beginning of the introduction in the first two sentences, I will talk about when I launched the first 5g edge competing product in the world. I collaborated with big stakeholders such as Amazon, Microsoft and Verizon. Those have very complex relationship between all three different kind of stakeholders and I am the key product manager who is in the middle and leverage the relationship align vision among all of them. So in one sentence I described how big the scope is which is the first 5g edge competing product in the world and also talk about key big stakeholders with big names out there. People can immediately understand, wow this is more than the normal product, this is a very huge product and scope should have worked on. So immediate catch the tension so that they can continue to listen to the next step. Another way to show the big scope of thinking is show the big side of marketplaces you design. For example, if you design a travel app for Facebook, it's likely most people only talk about, well people traveling different kind of travelers but you should talk about different marketplace such as travelers, service providers and also third party agencies. If you design Uber Eats, you should not only talk about people who order foods through the Uber Eats app, you should talk about the drivers, the foodies and the restaurants because all three parties are three different marketplace that they can talk about how they work together to make the entire ecosystem available and stable. So therefore it's very critical to demonstrate the big scope of thinking using the right framework. So how to apply the two-sided marketplace framework correctly? I broke it down in this video where I talk about specific examples how to use the framework to have a huge scope of thinking to qualify you for $200,000 job and for even more senior directors position over there. You should check out this video right here and also make sure to download the top 10 claim-finding questions for your PM interviews. I'm gonna see you in my next video right here. This is Dr. Nancy Lee from PMExcelerator.org. See you next time.


What's up y'all. I'm here just to talk about something that's been a pet peeve in me and Madden for a long time And that's essentially when people call her defensive play before the offense calls their play now unlike real football in This mode and Madden the defense has the ability to dictate at what time we leave the huddle My point is obviously you might want to run the same defense all the time or I'm gonna run this defense No matter what but at the same time you want to let the offense pick their play first That way you know when you press a to pick your play you're coming out the huddle right there So you know you can instantly start making your adjustments because you dictated what time you both the offense and defense broke the huddle So that's just a small advantage that the defense has that not necessarily everybody you know pays attention to but But being able to know when to start the time or to start doing your defensive adjustments is a big deal It can save a whole second and starting on your press base line shift line bangers It's a huge deal because you don't want to be the guy caught on the defensive linemen on fourth and three So make sure you allow the offense to call their play first and this will allow you to call your play and dictate What time you leave the huddle? You know, it's not necessarily. Oh, well make sure they have three wide receivers before you call dollar Or make sure they're not in goal line I mean that all helps and that's the obvious but the biggest deal to me is Dictating what time you can start doing adjustments?


Head of Russia's private military company Wagner Yevgeny Prigozhin has met with ex-prisoners who participated in the war in Ukraine and completed their six-month contract. The video of Prigozhin's meeting with the prison recruits was circulated in the Russian news agency Riya Novosti on Thursday. The first group of prisoners recruited from Russian jails by the Wagner group were pardoned after six-month service. Reminding that the conviction of the Wagners, who served for six months, were evoked, Prigozhin ordered them to behave well in freedom and not to use drugs. He also said that the police and citizens should treat such persons with respect. Prigozhin also spoke about the deceased Wagners calling them heroes. One of the returning Wagner recruits told Riya Novosti that many of the pardon fighters plan to return to Wagner as paid contractors. Prigozhin said that the law should not be violated, but if you saw a person who came after the war and was sitting in the camp before that and signed with a volunteer, and some of them were sitting in the camp for two days, they just wanted to protect their motherland. Therefore, it is necessary to understand that they are a completely full-fledged criminal society. Many people do not smoke, do not consume drugs, women do not wear violence. We do not regret. The police should treat you with respect.