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This study discovered 10 new potential micro-RNAs, myrnas, and 42 highly conserved myrna families in trifoliate orange, citrus trifoliatae, an important rootstock of citrus. The myrnas were identified through deep sequencing of short RNAs from trifoliate orange flowers and fruits. Additionally, for target genes, including one encoding IRX-12, copper ion binding, oxido reductase, and three genes encoding NBLR disease resistance proteins were experimentally verified by detecting the mi-RNA-mediated mi-RNA cleavage in trifoliate orange. This study provides evidence that specific myrnas exist in trifoliate orange and may play an important role in citrus growth, development, and response to disease. This article was authored by Yuhua Ping, Cori and Nicholas, Zhong Chongqing, and others.


This is stock number 90290A. We are here at Summit Automotive in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin. You're new and used SUV headquarters. Today we are checking out this super clean 2015 GMC Yukon XL Denali. This vehicle has the 6.2 liter V8 motor and from this HD video you will be able to tell that this SUV is extremely clean all the way around inside and out. Onyx Black is the color we shoot all of our videos in 1080p so if you have HD capabilities on your computer tablet or smartphone device turn them on right now because it is like you're right here looking at the vehicle with me and definitely your best way to check out the vehicle before seeing it in person and if you want to check out more pictures in the upper right hand part of the screen is a link to our website to this vehicle on our website so click that and check us out there. It comes with the 22 inch painted alloy rims with the chrome pockets Bridgestone Duhler HL28545R22 tires and they have probably about 70% of the tread left maybe even a little bit more pretty new tires on here. No denser dings on that front fender you get the LED running lights, HID headlamps, factory fog lamps, front bumper parking sensors, get the chrome trimmed grille I didn't see any dents or dings on the hood. Passengers side fender is in excellent condition as well and the passenger side rim no scuffs or scrapes that's typically the rim that would get any curb rash but very nice condition and as you go down this side of the vehicle you can see just how clean the body is how reflective and mirror like that paint is we take these HD videos so if you are far away or even if you're close by and just cannot make the trip down you can still see the vehicle hear the vehicle and have confidence in what you're looking at before you even get here. In fact we offer a Summit Auto Fast Pass option where you can apply for financing, get pre-approved, check out your payments even appraise your trade right on our website so you can do the whole deal before you even get here and you'll know exactly what you're getting into right before you get here. Back tires have just as much tread as the fronts and no scuffs or scrapes on that back rim but these videos really help out so you can get a really good idea of the overall condition of the vehicle so that you know that you're dealing with the right people and the right vehicle. Rear gate is an excellent condition it has the power raised gate and glass full towing package which includes a receiver hitch and seven pin wiring that gate lifts up like so and we do have the cover that goes over the receiver hitch and that's in pretty nice condition. Back storage area is very nice and clean and these seats do power fold down I'll show you how fast they go down there's buttons right here you just press those down and watch this. Bang! Watch how fast they come up it's great really cool really nice system right there storage underneath there as well and to put this gate down you just press this button right here it'll come on down for you I didn't see any denser dings on that rear gate really nice condition and as you go down the driver's side just as clean as that passenger's side no major denser dings in the rear quarter and for full disclosure this back rim is an excellent condition as well didn't see any scuffs or scrapes on those rims which is in for the 22s is a good thing kind of expensive to replace or fix anyways down this side very clean you get the built-in directional signals blind spot monitoring the intelligent access right there inside the Denali package gives you the black leather interior there are no rips there are no tears on the seats you get the Denali stitched into the headrest very clean on the seats here both these seats are heated both these seats are cooled factory floor mats wrote Bose sound memory driver seat power windows power locks power mirrors power folding mirrors I mean just a ton of options on these vehicles so we'll go through them fast here auto head lamps turned out four-wheel drive with the auto four-wheel drive feature factory brake controller stability control power pedals your lane departure warning you can turn those parking sensors on or off has the power telescopic and tilt steering wheel and as we hop inside the vehicle here you can see that this one has 51,435 miles instrument cluster is very nice and clean you get the digital speedometer in fact I think that whole middle screen is digital as well you get the heated leather wrap steering wheel bluetooth and information center controls on the right cruise controls and adapt or forward collision warning controls on the left and the heated steering wheel controls this one has the I believe it's the six speed you can always tell by going here yep it's a six speed automatic transmission with a tap shift this one has the GMC and tele link system with the factory navigation this is also where your backup camera shows up has a CD player AM FM and Sirius XM radio capabilities and the power there's a hideaway spot behind the radio there with a USB charger in there dual climate control and your other climate controls right there your heated and cooled seat buttons this one has the factory remote start two USBs right there passenger seat and floor mat are in excellent condition as well and this one does have the power sunroof which is in really nice condition too up here you have your map lights home link buttons for your garage door security systems and lighting systems and finally get on-star capabilities in that rear room here we'll take a quick look at the back seats and then we will check out under the hood back seats are just as clean as the front seats no rips no tears back here does have the latch child safety system in the car seat in the second row seats back here carpeting and floor mats are very clean passenger side seat is in excellent condition as well these back seats are heated and you get rear air controls you also get a plug-in back here believe it's a 110 volt 150 watt plug-in and then a power point third row seats are very clean as well no rips or tears back there and we'll take a quick look under the hood I would personally like to thank you for checking out the video today hopefully from this HD video you will have been able to tell just how clean this vehicle is all the way around inside and out and under the hood we have the 6.2 liter v8 engine engine bay is very clean engine itself runs very smoothly this Yukon has been fully safe and inspected by our service shop has a fresh oil and filter change all the fluids have been checked and tapped off the vehicle has been gone through mechanically 100 and is 100 ready to go I'd highly recommend it from a quality and condition standpoint and to see more pictures of this GMC Yukon XL or one of our other 450 new and used cars trucks SUVs minivans wranglers you name it we got it go to our website www.summitauto.com full pictures and descriptions of every single vehicle from two locations all at summitauto.com and if you'd like to check out more HD videos you can go to youtube.com slash summit auto remember to like subscribe and share on this video and all the videos that you see there in fact in a second you'll see a link to subscribe to our youtube channel on your left a link to more used inventory videos like this one on your right if you have not been to our website on the bottom link to this vehicle on our website click those check us out and we really look forward to help you with this super clean 2015 GMC Yukon XL Denali thanks again


Welcome back to Big Talk from Small Libraries 2020. I am Krista Porter, your host here at the Nebraska Library Commission. Big Talk from Small Libraries is sponsored by the Association for Rural and Small Libraries and the Nebraska Library Commission. And we are at our 10 a.m. Central Time presentation with us on the line right now is Monica Tiedemann. Good morning, Monica. Good morning. She is a Nebraska presenter, Stromsburg Public Library in Stromsburg, Nebraska. Population served 1,170. Yeah. And she has a presentation here to talk about holiday programming that did their library. Some really fun and cool things I heard about that they were doing up there. So I'll just hand it over to you, Monica, to tell us all about it. Okay, that sounds great. Thanks, Krista. Okay, so we're gonna talk a little bit about what we do during holiday break from school. And we're just gonna get right into it here. How did this whole idea start for us? I think in the description for this program, when I did the proposal for Krista, I think I put down that we started with the holiday break activities and those have went into early out activities and no school day activities. And actually, as I went back and looked at my calendars and some of our old flyers, we were actually doing a few things on early out days and no school days. And then that kind of went into how can we occupy the kids also during holiday break? And so that's how this whole idea got started. And it started because I was looking for ways to help parents with board kids, with kids who were maybe too old for daycare, but staying at home for long amounts of time wasn't a good idea for them either. And I just thought about how early outs and those no school days can really throw a wrench into your schedule if you're a parent, especially if the parents work out of town or they aren't able to have someone pick them up or things like that, the issues that come up. And for our town, we have a lot of parents that work out of town. Most parents do not work here in town. Most of them drive anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour away to go to work. And so that's kind of where my thinking came in on how to make this work and just how we as a library could help serve the people of our community. Our holiday break activities, we kind of do a rotation. So we do one thing, one day and one the next. And then that even leads into our early out days and our no school days. We kind of have a rotation of four or five things that we do. And that way nobody gets tired of what we're doing and it can kind of keep the interest up and people still wanna come. We do have a few rules with these days. We didn't wanna become the town babysitters for everyone. So we have a strict unattended children policy in our library that we had to implement a few years ago. And we just stick to the guidelines that are in that policy. So children that wanna come to the library for the activities typically have to be nine or older to come by themselves. And if they are younger than nine, they can come but they have to be accompanied by an adult or a caregiver who is at least 14. Most of our ideas don't work for smaller kids. The movie days do and some other things but like our craft ideas or some of the other activities that I'll talk about. They don't really work for kids younger than nine anyway. So it kind of helps keep that age limit in there that the parents know this is the activities for these kids in their ages. We do occasionally sometimes with some of our activities allow younger kids to be dropped off and the parents or a caregiver doesn't have to stay but not during the holiday breaks activities for sure. All right. So what we do, this is where we started out. We started out with these four days that were kind of in our rotation and these days have actually changed quite a bit since we started. They don't look exactly like this but I wanted to show you kind of what our thoughts were when we first began and how we've been able to grow them and change them a little bit. Okay, so for instance, Lego Day there started out with just Lego sets that me and my assistant brought from home and we both had boys and so it worked out great. We had plenty of Legos but that kind of got hard to keep track of whose Legos were whose, were we getting them all home, et cetera. So I'll tell you how we changed that one. And then Movie Day, we did movies that we purchased that we had the licensing rights for. So we weren't violating any licensing rights or things. We did aim to get the newest movies. We could. We tried a few things with movies to see what worked best and we tried random movies, just something that was a kid's movie that we thought people would like. We tried older movies, thought maybe some of the old movies they would like, like even old, I was gonna say Disney but some of those aren't licensed for but we tried some older movies and our best results, our best attendance just happened when we got the newest movie. We could, if you could get it before it came out on Netflix you had even better results. So that's what we aimed for. Mention while you're on the movies they're here in Nebraska at least we do have a movie licensing that we provide that we pay for it from the state that covers all the public libraries in the state. It's not every single movie out there it's with one particular company but we do help out with that with the library. So that's something to look at in your own states as well as there's something statewide that's being offered to help you out to be able to do that because that is very important to watch that licensing. Yes, and definitely read the requirements of the licensing because there are certain ways you can advertise and certain ways you cannot. I see some libraries get really creative with that but yeah, definitely read what you can say about which movie you're showing also. Okay, craft day was another day that we started. We just thought we don't want it to be, I don't know, we wanted something for everyone. And so craft days started out as very simple crafts that the kids could do themselves they didn't require a lot of instruction and we picked out two or three crafts that just from Pinterest, we rely heavily on Pinterest for our craft ideas our story time ideas, things like that. And so we would pick out two or three crafts from Pinterest and then we would print out the instructions for them or maybe just some pictures and we would put them in stations around the room and the kids could go around our meeting room and do as many crafts or as few crafts as they wanted to do if they wanted to do them all, that was great. And then our last day that we used at the beginning of all this was gaming day. Now our library did a youth literacy or youth improvement grant a few years ago before my time and they had purchased two Wii systems and some carts and games and things like that. We have like, I don't know, we have a lot to end. So we brought those up from the basement and let kids play on those. And then we would bring again board games that we had at home and set those up in the meeting room and let kids play on those. One thing we were surprised about with the board games is how many kids didn't know how to play just even basic like checkers or battleship. I brought battleship from home and nobody knew what to do with battleship. So we had to kind of ask some questions and work on finding which board games kids were even familiar with and what they wanted to play. And I'll talk about kind of where we landed on those. We also ran into the Wii systems being just old enough that some kids weren't familiar with how to play them and they got frustrated a little bit with them. And it was a lot of kids to keep track of too for just my assistant and I and we found ourselves having to play the board games with the kids to keep things going. So that wasn't really what we had planned but we have changed that and we've got a good system now and I'll talk about that. So these are just some pictures from our early days when we first got started, you know, shoots and ladders they didn't know how to play that either. But this little girl here is doing, I think those were pipe cleaners, snowflakes and those turned out really good and the kids actually liked those. And then the boys just loved throwing the Legos on the table and figuring things out. This was me playing battleship with somebody and we had Jenga, the Lego bricks and then these are just some of the crafts I think one year we did crafts that were all focused on Christmas trees and these were different ways that they could make Christmas trees. Okay, so this is kind of where it has evolved to now and what we are doing with each of these days. Lego day, we put out an advertisement, not just a flyer on our front desk that we were looking for Lego sets. If anybody had Legos they wanted to get rid of we would gladly take them. We actually got quite a few donations that way of nice sets. So that was really good. I also looked on like the buy-sell trade sites if there were some that were going really cheap I would grab those. And then last year I put in a request to our friends at the library and asked them if they could justify us some basic like the red kit, the blue kit, the green kit and then some of those foundation tiles for kids to build on. Cause we were noticing like a lot of what we were getting kind of came in sets where you could specifically build something and we wanted to let those kids imaginations go a little more. And so we supplemented with these other basic kits and sets and that worked out really nicely. Let's see. Movie day, we haven't changed a whole lot. We found a good group with those. The only thing that has changed is our local public broadcasting station, the NET is offering episodes of some of their popular shows before they come out on TV. So we've had like Arthur shows. We've had Daniel Tiger. We've had Odd Squad is the next one that's coming up. And we show those sometimes instead of Movie Day. And those are ones that we let younger kids come to and if the parents feel like they'll sit and watch something or the parents just sit in there and watch the show with the kids too. So that's fine. Let's see. We don't always get those shown before they air on TV but it doesn't seem to matter. Kids are okay. They still wanna come and watch them, which is great. And that's just a way to supplement instead of doing maybe a two hour movie all the time. Sometimes it's just a one hour little show and that works out good for parents and kids too. Our craft day, we have changed it to where we just do a single craft that everyone does together. It requires a lot less prep work that way. And it also helps us to be able to like show the kids new things. We've done things like origami. We've done finger knitting one time. One time we turned them loose with puffy paint and all of our old CDs that we have.  We have a ton of old CDs that we used to need for our computers or we needed them for software. Things like that and we kept them in a case. So we've just put some puffy paint out and some Sharpies and things and told them to decorate the CDs. They loved it. We probably had five or six girls in there who like normally we cut off our days at about an hour because that's about how long their attention span lasts. But that day I think they were in there for two hours because they were having so much fun. And we went ahead and we strung up the CDs with some fishing line and hung them from the ceiling and they were up through the rest of December and the kids loved it. So that was a good one. Yeah, and that's that's great use. You never know what you have lying around that could be to be used CDs. They're that nice, iridescent rainbowy looking thing. I'm sure, you know, cats ever touches everyone's eyes. Yeah, they look cool. We had to use those all the time. And maybe some places have gotten rid of them but everyone's got a storage room with who knows what in the back, back corner. Yeah, that, you know, can come in handy.  Some are a little more complex and we just kept it easy what the kids could do on their own. So, okay, on gaming day. Oh, I'll show you some pictures and talk about them about a couple other crafts but on gaming day because a number of the kids couldn't run the wheeze, we just went to just board games for a while and tried to figure out what board games the kids knew how to play. But again, that still required my assistant and I to be in the room with them, it felt like. So it was okay, it was fun. It was a great way to interact with the kids but it wasn't always practical for us to do that. And so what we have kind of landed on currently and this totally depends on your kids. We have been doing these activities for like six years now. And so we've kind of had a couple of rounds of kids come through because they only come to library activities for two or three years and then they think they get too old or something like that. And we have a good group right now that they all get along, they like to come to the library, they like to come to our activity days. And what we have found that they really love is on the wheeze systems, they love Mario Kart and they know how to play it. So that works out well. And then they love that cow racing game that's on wheeze. If you haven't seen it, it's hilarious, go play it. And so what we do now is we have purchased two new TVs that look a little better. The TVs we were using previously, I wish I would have had a picture of. One was probably from, oh, I'm sorry, Christa. No, I was just laughing, yeah. Yeah, I mean one was, I shouldn't have taken a picture because I think it's still in the basement. One was probably from the 70s. It was like a 15-inch TV with the brown paneling on the outside and it was on a cart. And then the other one was maybe from the 90s, we might have advanced that much. Not on the screens. Yeah, so we did go buy two new TVs, things they're easier to move them around as much as we do, because those old ones were heavy. And so with lighter TVs, our carts move around easier. We can change up where we're having it. We do still do board games, simple ones. And we also bring, we found that the kids really liked dice games, like Tenzi is really popular or Farkel. A lot of the kids knew how to play Farkel. Another thing that they like is the Spotted Game. I don't know if you've seen it, but it's the round circle cards and you have to identify different things that are on there. There's all sorts of Spotted Games. You can find them at Target, Walmart. We've taught kids how to play checkers and they really want to play the checkers now. So we do still get checkers out for that. And because we have two, and we've added computer games too. So what we do now is we set up the two Wii systems with the two TVs out in the main room. And we have five public computers that the kids can use. And then we set up the board games in the meeting room. And we put out a signup sheet that the kids can sign up for a time slot on the computers and a time slot on the Wii. And they get 15 minute time slots. And we set the timer on the computer, like the main desk computer for 15 minutes. And then when that goes off, we tell everybody they have to rotate. And that way everybody gets their time on the computer. They get their time on the Wii. And then they also have some time to just play some board games, card games, things like that. And we found that that just works really well. And the kids are okay with it. They're fine with that. And also with the computer games, we do limit them to like, I should have written them down, but there's like three websites that we say, these are the ones you can play during this time. I mean, other times when they're here and they're playing computer games, we don't care what they play, but there were some concerns with some of the games they were wanting to play. And so to make it easier where we felt like it was a library sanctioned activity, we said you can play on these websites, on the computers. So that's how we took care of that. I think this is just some more pictures. This is our Wii set up. This is the Cal Racing game. It's kind of neat to see also that we have older kids who will help the younger kids and they don't mind. They don't mind showing them how to play the games and things. This is Wild Crats when we did their show. And then these were the stocking caps we did this year for our craft. They turned out so cute. Lookup stocking cap ornaments. And they were really easy to make. We had all ages doing them and they really liked those. And this is just some more pictures of things we've done. Our Legos, because we have more Legos now, we kind of have them sorted out in boxes. And we just put a few boxes on each table and kids can walk around and get the different Legos that they want out of those. And that works out well. This was another craft. I'm gonna talk about some different days and different craft ideas and things that we've done. But this one was one that we just threw in instead of kind of as one of our craft days. I think it was an early out in December before holidays actually started. And we told them we had those rolls of craft paper and we rolled them out and let them cut however big a segment they wanted and they were making their own gift wrap paper for the holidays. And those turned out kind of cute. That was a lot of fun. Okay, so how many of these events we do over a holiday break kind of depends on when the holidays land, on what days of the week, what time we have off for the library and what time that just for the days and all those work out. And so I looked up some stats here and in 2014 we did eight different events. In 2015 we did six, but in 2016 we only did three days just because of how the scheduling worked out. So you can do these every day of holiday break if you want to, you can just do them on a specific day during holiday break, whatever works out for you guys. And with that, with doing more events, like it got kind of tiresome to just do the same four things over and over. So we've thrown in some different ideas in here too. And I wanna check my time because I get really talkative here. Nope, you're fine, you're good. You're only about 20 minutes in, yeah. Right, so I need to talk slower. I was just gonna say you're talking about the scheduling. I think you're also probably at the mercy of when is the school breaks too of what days are available for that and if there's other things also happening on some of those days in the community. Yeah. And it gotta work out. Because sometimes our school will have a full two weeks of break and sometimes they don't. So that's the difference. Previously, my assistant wasn't able to come work on Thursdays all the time and Thursday is like a short day for us. We're only open from 10 to noon. And so a lot of times we didn't do anything on Thursday then because sometimes being one man with some of these activities wouldn't work as well. Yeah. Maybe movie day, I can handle that. But so all of those things kind of came into play of how we worked it out that week or that break. So this last year, I think we did eight activities again. And that's a lot.  The teachers are all like, oh, the kids are coming back. And I'm like, yay. It keeps us busy during the holidays. That's for sure. So these are some of the activities that we have added in just because we thought they'd be fun or something different than our same four days all the time. So the first one, the kids New Year's Eve party. Let's see, that started in 2017. And for that one, we did these firework paintings which were really cool. They turned out a lot better than I thought. And we made our own party hats and we did Chinese lanterns too. We were just trying to think of things that you associate with New Year's. I think we had snacks that day too. And we did like a little countdown for that. But it was in the mid-afternoon and that was okay. But this year, we kind of copied what another town close to us does. And they do a New Year's Eve party. And they do a countdown in a balloon drop. They're a bigger library. They do a countdown in a balloon drop at noon on New Year's Eve for the kids. So we copied that a little bit. We did not do a balloon drop. And we were expecting like seven to eight kids. We average anywhere from eight to 12 kids usually on these activities on a day. I think we had 14 at game day this week that we did. So we were expecting that. But the crafts that we chose would have been great for seven or eight kids. But we had 25 kids and parents show up for that party. Wow. Surprise. Yeah. Yeah, it was like, oh no. I mean, all of our crafts had some form of stapling that had to be done. And so Emily and I were literally standing at the front of the room just stapling for like an hour and a half. That was all we did. So we're like, okay, next year we're gonna rethink this a little bit. But I mean, that's encouraging that people want it and they come to it. So that was good. In 2016, we did a polar express party where we just had hot cocoa and we watched the movie. And then this one here, in 2018, I had my new assistant Emily and her brother is actually in the Guinness Book of World Records for the largest hand-drawn maze. And so we had her brother. I know, isn't that cool? I can't even imagine doing that. That's amazing. That's insane. It's crazy. When they, when he completed it they actually put it up in the gym at York College. And it was like laid over saw horses. And it took up like the whole gym, I think. It was crazy. So Eric came in and he talked a little bit about how he started drawing mazes and what interested him about it and why he did it. And then he showed the kids kind of some basics that you have to know about mazes, like how to draw them so that they connect that you've got to have better sometimes. And then you have to make sure your mazes actually solvable for people. So the kids got to draw their own mazes, kind of take hints and tips from Eric. And he walked around and showed them things. I've included his Instagram page there, the at-idraw mazes. He posts a lot of his mazes up there. And his mazes have been on t-shirts. They've been on the Renza, the papers that go on the trays. That's been his mazes. Okay, cool. Yeah. So it was kind of cool because then he could show the kids and there were some things they recognized, and they're like, wow, this is, I think we had more parents show up to that activity than we usually do because they wanted to see all this too. Okay. Sometimes I think it was that same year that for our craft, again, we were using things that we had in the library. And so we did book page crafts. And it's a great use of books that you're just gonna weed. It's a great use of books you might have just laying around donated things or things like that that you don't have in your collection. And we made Christmas trees. We made origami stars. And I mean, there's tons of activities out there of what you can do, but they really liked that. And it was a good way to show them that you can go home and do these same things too. This is, make sure you have your parents' permission for books and things, but they could do that. And this was an example of, this little girl was under the age of nine, but her big sister who was 15 brought her to the library and they did the craft together and had a lot of fun. So that was good. Okay. And this year we added a couple of new things that we were excited about. And I think the kids were too. But we added a breakout EDU kit to our collection in this year and we made an escape room for the kids for one day over break. If you're not familiar with the kits, they come in a box and it comes with everything you need to make an escape room. Our purchase of the kit gave us a subscription to the breakout EDU. It's just like it's spelled there, EDU website. And they have tons and tons of ideas of escape rooms you can do. A lot of them are geared towards schools like their science themes, there's math themes, different things that the teachers would want them to focus on, but you can also put in holiday themes like we put in a Christmas search and found different escape rooms that dealt with just a Christmas theme. We're gonna do one in March and we're gonna, we were gonna focus on St. Patrick's Day, but then we found a better one that we liked that's on actually breaking out of Mr. Limoncello's library. So we thought, oh, we gotta do that. But these kits do come with like the locks. They come with instructions.  And you just follow the instructions for off the breakout EDU website. They tell you exactly how to set the locks. They tell you there's printables that you have to print off sometimes there. We have to usually provide like an iPad or a computer for people to use at some point during the escape room. And we just have a timer going on the TV in the meeting room.  We don't do any extra decorating or anything that goes with the theme. We just focus on the kit. And what we did was most of the escape rooms are set for 45 minutes time limit. And so we just put out a signup sheet and we had four different time periods. And we took the kids if they needed to have a team of four to six people when they signed up so that we didn't have too much randomness there. And so the kids just came in with their teams and they tried to break out. We discovered that maybe we picked too hard of an escape room because nobody broke out. Somebody did come like within 30. Yeah, we were like, okay, we need to go easier the next time because it's not fun if nobody ever breaks out. We actually had so much interest from posting about this and advertising that we were doing it for the kids that we ended up doing an adult one in February using the breakout EDU kit because so many adults wanted to do it. So that was fun. Okay, another new thing for us this year was virtual field trips. It was something that I had wanted to try for a while and I really hadn't. And then Krista, I think you did a encompass live on virtual field trips maybe. We did, yes. With the University of Nebraska-Lincoln, their moral hall, dinosaurs, they did various things, but yes, they do that a lot and lots of groups do, but yeah. Yeah, and I think there was like some websites. I got them from a webinar somewhere that there were websites shared that like you could go to and find out more information about more virtual field trips. I think one of our ESUs or agitational service unit people was involved in one of our presentations on that, too, talking about other places to get these kind of events. Yeah, yeah. So where I went for this one was that website there, the CISLC.org, and they have all sorts of field trips you can do. I mean, there's unlimited amount and some of them are free, some of them are not. I mean, there was like some $300 and $500 ones listed on there, so pay attention to which ones you're registering for. The field trips do typically require some type of software like what we're using today with GoToMeeting, some of them have Zoom and some of them use Skype, and we have accounts with all of those, so that worked out fine for us. The one that we did actually use Zoom and that was new to my assistant, but I've used it and so we were able to get that going pretty easily. And we did the one that gives you a tour of Rocky Mountain National Park. My assistant was in charge and she said that the ranger was great. It was everything that she hoped they would do. They did a flyover video of the park so the kids could see kind of what they were talking about. The ranger also talked about the park emblem. You can kind of see it down here. You talked about what all the different parts of the emblem stand for and why it's on there and how that connects to national parks. She talked about just the national parks so that kids were aware of, maybe some kids have never gone on a vacation to a national park and didn't know what that was. And so she talked about that and then they showed videos of the different animals that live in the park and what you might see if you come to the park and things like that. And then of course, one of the things she talked about was if you have any fourth graders, fourth graders, and I should look this up, but I think it's fourth graders and their families. Yes, the free and yeah. Yeah, you can get free passes to state parks like if you have a fourth grader in your car or something like that. So she was asking, are any of you fourth graders and be aware of this? So we only had to show up here beginning September 1st, all kids in the fourth grade have access to a special park pass. Okay. Every kid in a park is what it's called. Okay, yeah. So that was, I just, I grew up taking family vacations but I know not everyone can do that and maybe a kid would never go to a national park and we thought this was a fun way to show them the possibilities or just to let them see some of those things they may never see. So there's a lot. And also I'll clarify, as I said to every kid, this actually is for them and their entire family. It gets free access because the one child is in the fourth grade. Okay, that's what I thought is like the whole family. So yeah, that's a really neat deal. We only had six kids show up for this one and she kind of was trying to get interaction with the kids and they were pretty shy but they finally warmed up to ask some questions and things and it was a need to experience and we definitely need to look into another one but there's anything you can think of, there's a virtual filter for it, so. Okay, and then one other thing that we've done that is really popular is bingo. We kind of have a joke in our area about no money for bingo, but you can't charge people for buying their bingo cards. That's called gambling. Libraries. Yeah, libraries can't do gambling. So we can't do that but the kids really liked it and I think they'd used bingo enough in the school rooms that they were familiar with what was happening and they liked it. As you can see, I think the girls there had like three cards each, they wanted to do more than one card and we used prizes, leftover prizes from summer reading and we kind of have a junk prizes, they're like little cheap things that have been given to us over the years and they loved it. They wanted to get prizes for blackouts and first one to get a bingo and we just kept going until people were tired of bingo. So that was a neat experience and we actually should do that again because we haven't done it in a while. All right, we do have some questions before you go on to the next slide. I forgot to grab them while you're on that one, go back to that. So I want to know about the breakout EDU room. When you had the kids one, is there an adult or a staff member inside the escape room with the children? No, we did not. Our meeting room is right by our circulation desk and so what we did was we let the kids be in there on their own and then if they needed hints or things, they are given two hint cards that they could come out and ask for hints. So it wasn't actually locked in really? No, no, we don't know. I should have clarified that, yeah, no. We don't lock anybody in or anything like that.  Yeah, okay, cool. And then for the virtual field trips, I think you did mention someone wanted a range of costs on the virtual field trips. You did just mention that that there is some are pricier than others. Right, yeah, they go up to like $300, $500, but then a lot of them are just free. Some of them are $20, $25. There's hundreds of field trips on that website and yeah, whatever your budget might be, you can find something. This one with the Rocky Mountain National Parks was free. A lot of them are free. I think the ones through the university here, the virtual tours that are not too expensive. The University of Nebraska State Museum does them and I remember they were not, it depended on the size of your group sometimes, I think. Yeah, and like I have a flyer here in front of me from Henry Dorley Zoo, yeah, and they do virtual field trips. And I think on there, the program fee is $125, it says. Not bad, all right. Yeah, I mean, there's a range of everything, but we really like the national park. Yeah. And the brand for the Breakout Kits, that's Breakout EDU is the brand. Yeah, that is the brand. And they have a website you can go to. And we actually got ours, our system in Nebraska, our libraries are divided up into three systems now. Is that right? Four, there's four of them now. Four, four. There's still four, five to four. And our system, we did a group purchase of those Breakout EDU kits. And then we got a little bit of a deal because we did a group purchase. And then also our system director purchase. So if you're in the Southeast library system of Nebraska, Scott actually has, I think two of these kits at the office that you can check out and borrow. Yeah, so you can test it out here in Nebraska, yeah. So Breakout EDU is the name of it, yeah. And for virtual, I finally found the page for the virtual field trips on the new, this is just one example here in Nebraska, University of Nebraska State Museum. There's range from $35 to 125, depending on how long, which session it is and whether you're a member of something and how long, how many minutes, 30 minutes, 45 minutes. So, yeah, look around, look in your state, see if one of your state museums or universities are doing these kind of educational type programs. Yeah, because they're just, it's a way to get a professional or somebody to come into your library and teach the kids about something they wouldn't normally maybe go see. And without paying for the mileage and paying the program fee and things like that, it's a nice way to do it. All right, yeah. So I think just wrapping up here, ways that we advertise, how we get the word out about all of this. We use flyers, we make all of our flyers on Canva. There are six places around town that I can put flyers in.  So we put those flyers up and those flyers advertise the whole schedule for holiday break and what we're doing each day. So parents and kids can make plans that way. The school lets us post our events in the weekly elementary newsletter. We just shoot out the information to the school secretary and she puts it in the newsletter. And then sometimes like it would, usually we just send her a PDF of our flyer. And then sometimes she'll also make copies of that and put it around the school. So it's nice cooperation that way. Our school is a consolidated school. And so it is actually located three miles out of town. So it's hard to do some things, but this cooperation is a way that we can communicate by email. And I don't have to take flyers out there. They graciously just make copies and hang them around the elementary wing for the elementary kids. Facebook events are a popular way for us to communicate. People really, you know, there's a certain age range of parents that they rely fully on Facebook to know what's coming up at the library. And so we do all those event covers and things through Canva also. And then, oh, and with the holiday break where we have like anywhere from six to eight activities, we do a separate Facebook event for each of those days so that parents can click going. And then they get that reminder when that event is coming up and it just helps them make sure they don't forget. It's sometimes that happens too. And then we also post on the marquee that is located uptown. It's a lighted marquee that's in the square. And the newspaper, I can do a weekly newsletter, little blurb in the newspaper. And so I always include upcoming activities in that also. And if you wanna see our activities and things we have coming up, we have had other libraries reach out to us on Facebook and ask about activities that they see we're doing. Emily's brother, Eric, has went to a couple of different libraries now and did the maize program for them. And so if you have any questions, you can message us on Facebook. There's our website. We are active on Instagram also. Parents love to see pictures of their kids having fun at the library. And so we kind of have a standard notice that says we take pictures at activities. If you do not want your children posted on social media, let us know so that we can make sure we keep them out of the pictures or don't post pictures that have the kids. And that is everything. If you need to email me directly, there's my email and my phone number here at the library. And any other things, any questions? Yeah, we do have a couple of questions and counts came in. If anybody has any questions, any other questions you want to ask of Monica, go ahead and type it into your questions section of your go-to-webinar interface. I'm monitoring that here and I can read them off to her. Just to go into comments earlier, saying wonderful low-cost ideas for some of the things you have there. Of course, you would use what you got, use what you can, get a hold of. Yeah, we definitely try to just use what we have and not spend extra on this. And that's the question about when the kids come in. Do parents or guardians check kids in and out or are they allowed to come and go on their own? They're allowed to come and go on their own.  Emily has kids that are actually in the age range of the kids that are coming right now. And so that works out really nice because she knows the kids, she has a familiarity with them and their parents.  So maybe knock it off. And they don't usually do anything right there. Absolutely. Someone does wanna know, I think you mentioned you had these, but you didn't mention, what are the three computer websites that you allow the children to access for game days? A, B, mouse, I know is one. And then pbskids.org. And I cannot think of the third one, I know. I can't think of the third one. The PBS Kids one, yeah. Yep. And kids are usually familiar with those. The ABC mouse, they do that at school a lot. And I think there's like a math one that we let them go on to. And they use that at school a lot also. And so they're just, they're familiar with them. We're not having to teach anybody. With some of the other websites, kids were wanting to play with their friends we're playing, but maybe they didn't know how to play it. And then they were bugging the kids next to them or wanting us to show them how to play it when we had no idea. Right. And this just kind of cut down on the confusion and things that were going on around the computers. We just said, here's the three websites you can go on. And that seems to work okay. So many different, yeah. So the one is the ABC. I think it's ABC mouse. Macy mouse. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Yeah. Give an email to Monica if you wanna know who the ones that she can't remember. Yes, yes, again that's one of those things that my assistant takes care of. And so I'm like, I can't remember those. And we do have some suggestions from other people which is good too. Someone says the elementary schoolers at our library love National Geographic kids. Okay. Good one to do. And someone wants to know if it's the math. You said there's a math one. Is it CoolMathForKids.com? Yes, that's what it is. A math one, yep. All right. And someone just suggests using the one, getting a Moncala board for your library for the game day. That that may be something to the kids. I have brought my Moncala and I was surprised the kids didn't know how to do it. Now it's easy enough to teach. That's something quick and easy to teach for them. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I should do that again. And let's see, let me hear another question. What do you do if you have special needs children and they become disruptive but no parents are there? Do you have that situation, I guess? We haven't had that situation. Well, we have had that situation in the library with special needs kids before and we've just made it very clear to the parents that they need to stay with them if they're coming. We do, we haven't had this with the holiday break or the early out because they don't come but with summer reading, we've had the issue that again, small town, I know that there are kids that have parents with them all day at school and then the parents send them here to an unsupervised with no help or anything. And those do cause- And they might not realize they don't have the same one-on-one assistance with them at the library as they did at school. Yeah. And typically we've been okay. If not, we have just called the parent or the grandparent and said, this isn't working today.  It's the same kind of thing, especially in the small towns like we have here, you know people, so it's easy to talk to them. I don't think yet. One of the kids ran away one day because he wasn't happy with something we were doing and luckily he only ran away to like the backyard of the library, but we had to talk to, you know, that caregiver and be like, maybe he just can't be here by himself when there's three of us to 25 kids. Right, right. All right. And now we have, now really, since we were talking about this, especially as Jim was related to or separate even from all this in your presentation today is about your holiday programming, but do you have any special needs programs that you do at the library? We don't, that's a good idea though. I mean, and if parents would ask us about it, we would for sure create something for them. Right now I don't have any that come to the library regularly, but that's something to look at though. You do know that they are in town. There are children in that situation that you could, yeah, they would make accommodations for and everything. Yeah, it's always a good idea to know your community. Right, and that would be something that I would definitely work with a teacher from the school with. I was a parent at the school for a while and so you just, you need guidelines and you need outside help sometimes with those. That's a great place to start because you know they've got a special attention there definitely at the end of the school. Yep, yep. All right, either last minute desperate question you wanna ask of Monica right now, you can type it in, otherwise there's, you've got her email and phone number, give her a call. Just some last comments, people saying thank you for sharing very good ideas and someone loves the virtual field trip ideas, they're gonna steal it, steal that idea. Yes, steal away. We do so, yeah. All right. All right, well thank you so much, Monica. I'm so glad you were able to come on Big Talk today and share about all these great programs you're doing for the holidays. Yeah, you're welcome. Thanks for having me. Hope you have a good, good next holiday break. Yeah, yeah. All right, all right. I'm gonna pull back, present your control on my screen right now. Do you? All right, so that was our 10 a.m. session. We're about 10, 50 a.m. central time right now.


Good morning. I know we are missing a few folks today, but I'll get a few more minutes to come on in. In all honesty, I'm kind of waiting around to see if the app delivery folks are here yet, because they're usually the ones that kick us off. So we've got a few other things on the agenda today as well, not the least of which being like, hello Dave, Dave, you're here, hooray. I am. Hello. Excellent. I'll make you do like a more formal introduction and things as we get in towards all of this. No, excellent. I didn't expect you on camera as well today. Excellent. The weather here is terrible so I'm not taking my kid to football instead she's sitting next to me playing on the iPad. Okay, you know, we welcome everyone to these meetings clearly. Yeah, I'll hold for another minute because I don't think we're going to use all the time this morning but we'll see and Liz is not joining us so you get me this morning. All right, that looks like everyone that we are likely to get we're now four minutes past the top of the hour so I'll go ahead and get us started. Our normal antitrust policy notice. Hello, welcome. Meeting logistics you are here. Please note that this slide actually needs to be updated we now have pass codes on the meetings but it's in the public doc. And it's in the CNC of calendar as well so that's probably the best place to be able to grab the zoom link so to see members present today. I'll update this over on the to see public working doc so you can see who's here and all of that. Our agenda is pretty straightforward today. Again, welcome to new to see a member will kind of go over the projects needing review, and we'll drop into sake updates and hopefully there'll be time for questions as far as things coming around in the world, but we'll see. So with that actually I'm going to do like Dave this is now your time to be able to do like welcome new to see a member hello come introduce yourself, the light to be able to have you. Sure, I guess I'll try to keep it quick but I'm Dave. I'm an engineer in the platform team at Spotify. I'm in Stockholm Sweden. I don't know what else do you want to know about me. That's great. You're you're you're here you're welcome. Great to have you. Thank you. Next up, kind of we've got a few open votes out here that's kind of the only thing that's really on my needs to see review. Anyone is fully welcome to be able to put their hand up I am watching chat as well but we have an open vote on Rook and an open vote on the open policy agent and if I remember right I don't think any of the to see is actually voted on the open policy agent. So, this is my shameless plug for please get in there. Thank you. I think I was confused by whether it's a face or a comment period at the time period is done. We are now in voting going to do. Okay. No, that that actually is a good clarification. I don't know that it's entirely clear when we say public comment is not actually the vote yet public comment is come by and say things. So, I will be more clear about being able to indicate which is the vote and which is public comment. So, excellent. Any other things that I should have put on this particular slide I'm checking chat and check if anybody needs to be able to. Okay, no further confusion. Excellent. I'll turn it over to app delivery of any of those folks are here. I think I've got Harry. Hello. Hello. Excellent. Go ahead. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm here. So, yeah, let me give a quick update on the C gap delivery. So, we recently have no project on the under review, but we do have some other working items. The first one is the working groups. We have some recent update the first update is from air gap working group, which is about cloud native application delivery in air gap environment. So, we're now inviting the telecom customers are very works to share real world you the cases. This is actually now. Also, with the help from canola from the reworks so thank you very much for her help. So, if any other company or another members want to contribute user cases regarding to the application delivery. Please feel free contact to the chairs or attend attend the meeting. We are very happy to include your user cases in the upcoming. I will say it's a series of blog post about air gap application delivery. So this is the first update. The update is we also have a discussion to about a emerging trade, which is about this. We are we are seeing that a lot of platform builders. Now, they are very active in the community. They are building clone application platforms based on corporate and his based on a clone native stack, but all of them. They're doing their own work and they are lack of interoperability. So how can we help them and how can we onboard them in the city gap delivery and to talk to to to share more details about what they are trying to build. What does the community can help is the next step we're thinking about. So we're we're trying to over this clone native application platform builders to see and say which which are now they are quite far from the clone native community. Although what they are doing is very closely related to since it but that's still far far far away from the community actually. So we're trying to onboard them. So if anyone have any suggestion on how to onboard the platform builders. For example, for example, somebody who are building a platform service. Who are building a in house service platform based on the clone native clone native stack. We're very happy to involve them in the sake in the community and to improve the interoperability to improve the standard right and this is a goal. And we also have a proposing community to move certain working group back to the sick discussion, because we notice they are, you know, the discussion some some discussion items are split into working groups. This is actually not very easy to. Yeah, so Josh is asking about what do we do you mean by we're boarding up by boarding and saying that yes, we're trying to reach out to them. That is what we are trying to do and also we try to involve them more in the sense of in the clone native community, which we recently now is not the case. For example, there are a lot of companies they are building platform service. Right. But we don't know how they do that and we don't know what technology they're using to build that because right now, most people in clone native community they're very focused on the infrastructure layer. The focus on networking storage runtime of Kubernetes but nobody care about those people who are building platform at top of them. So this is what I'm saying about onboarding them, and we are trying to, we're trying to reach out to them we're trying to involve them more and to share their case to share their blockers if any to share their ideas with the community. So this is what I'm trying to, I'm trying to express here. Yeah. So let me go back to slides. And so, according to the proposal I just mentioned, in the future I think I think see gap delivery may merge some of the working groups, for example, operator working group back into the sea. So we will continue the discussion around operators in the second meeting, instead of split the discussion to a different meeting that that that maybe the direction we want to go. But it's, it's, I will say it's promising. And there are also a bunch of working items that I want to give a quick update to the first is that this is actually proposed by alloys. So the community are trying to propose a sample application, which are which could be which could be used for any kind of application delivery or management demo. And this demo is very different from what we are using today like workplace or book infer. So this demo will include more real world use showcases, for example, it will include the credential management, the data input and output to showcase how we use cloud native technology to solve the real problem instead of just a demo application. So this is, we will call that a generic sample application, which is, which will be maintained by the community so alloys is leading this work. So the idea is, we try to show, we try to show me the code, instead of body paper so the original goal in the thing is that we want to write a lot of white papers to explain how, how the things work but eventually found that it's more easier for us to do this showcase by having a sample application. And then we create demos and samples around this application to show. Okay, what is really happening in the cloud native application delivery system. So this is the direction we want to go in the next step. We want to create a sample app, we want to create a the demos and the youth and the showcases around the application instead of just a writing white papers. And in order to do that we will we will also try to publish a blog post series about application delivery and technology deep dive. So, one question is who, who should we contacting since if you want to publish some blog post in the name of say gap delivery delivery. I record there. I didn't answer that. Sorry, hi, this is Bianca. Yeah, just send an email to PR at CNCF.io. I'm on that alias and we'll get you sorted. Okay, got it. Yeah, that is what I'm asking. Thank you very much. Okay, so the last working item, I want to give a quick update is that it's quite similar to the blog post is actually about a session the session is, you can think of it's more like a summary about this blog post. So we will give this a community will give it a session in the group called North America is about it's a deep depth deep dive talk about clone application management ecosystem. If anyone think you have some project or idea, which is interesting and I want to be highlighted in the talk want to be engaged more with community session. We are very happy to talk and we are very happy to evolve anything which can be shared is in this session. Okay, this is what we can update regarding to seek up delivery. Great. You've got a lot in here. Thank you. Any questions from chat anything else. I have a quick question about the about the sample up I think it's a it's a great idea. And the question is, it says it's a community maintain sample. So is the plan for app delivery to start the effort and then for community to get involved later. We want to have the community get involved at the very beginning. So, so, so yeah that the idea is that we want to get everybody to contribute ideas around the sample application but the simple application itself, maybe proposed by the tech lead or cultures at the very very beginning, but the application, but I will, I will, I will assume that this will be just bootstrap, and then it will be fully maintained by the whole community. So, yeah, that is the current idea. Got it. Thank you. It's a great idea. Okay, then we can move on. I believe our next one is a contributor strategy so Josh. Sound check. Seems good. Okay. So, just a few things, but including a couple of things we'd like feedback from the TOC on. The first thing which we don't need feedback from the TOC on is we're going to be doing a project paperwork help session at kubecon. There's no logistics of this but it's been accepted, which is, we've been generating a lot of checklists of what projects need in order to have a complete picture, particularly the aiming for graduation, or to get from Sandbox to incubating or just to get accepted in CNCF. And our plan is to help projects with that at virtual kubecon. So we'll be doing that. Thank you for our various sub projects. The governance working group spent some time discussing last week's special TOC meeting. One to remind the TOC that per our email, we're still waiting for the TOC to confirm that they want to go into this new direction for requirements. So we start putting a lot of effort into trying to write up and define those. We haven't seen that confirmation. We are also, we've also been continuing our work of writing guidance for projects. This is true both for governance and also for community growth, contributor growth. We're actually generating a lot of guidance documentation for projects. So questions are risen. Where is that going? Where is the approved guidance going to be published? There isn't currently really a place within the CNCF ecosystem to publish that kind of thing. So, you know, again, we want to come to the TOC, would it be okay to stand up a site called something like contributors.CNCF.io, where we would publish material that had been approved as guidance for CNCF projects. Because we need a place that's not just to get help repositories and stuff in GitHub repositories is both not searchable, and also it's never clear which material is approved and which isn't. Finally, governance just putting there's an issue a proposal that to explore, because we have to determine the projects actually want to do this. The idea of having a joint code of conduct enforcement committee for smaller projects, projects that are not big enough to have their own COC committees. So that's linked off of the slides. I will post that into the chat a link from that and discuss that issue. The maintainer circle is going to be discussion of resiliency and October 22nd CNCF meeting, at least tentatively scheduled for that. Contributor growth. Again, publishing documents. First one is on measuring project health. They're prioritizing finishing the documentation on creating a contributor ladder also templates for that. So if that does become a requirement for graduating projects. Projects will have all the information they need to create a contributor ladder. And also community and contributor sort of management guidelines. Finally, the discovery survey is still open. All right, lots going on in here. Looking for feedback on some of the things that you need the most are kind of like where should we be putting things. Yeah, yeah, that's the number one thing. And, you know, and this would include guidance and governance guidance contributor growth any maintainer circle activities. That is where what is our location for people who are working on the projects for information for them. And, because right now we have like we have contribute dot CNCF that I owe, and that's information for potential new contributors that sort of routes them to projects, but that's actually a different audience than the audience of people who already run existing projects. The, and the maintainer that CNCF that I owe domain was taken for a different purpose and moving it would be very difficult. So contributors that CNCF that I was the best name could come up with we're not particularly attached to it. Mostly what we want from the COC is to determine that to see determine that. And to stand up a new site sub site within the CNCF domain, rather than necessarily getting involved in naming bike shedding although somebody has a particularly clever idea for a name. I would love to hear it because I don't. I mean, who maintains this websites with. We do. Um, and that can be as simple as being able to have just like a GitHub pages thing that's attached to a, you know, whatever sub domain you'd like. So, from the technical side, it's not that difficult. Having dedicated location for contributors is is a good idea and just mentioned that the maintainer CNCF that I owe there is there's already a page for that. Yeah, the gigantic spreadsheet of like everyone is a maintainer so like taking that one over is going to be hard. I just I just clicked on it. It's just it's just a dog. It's gigantic. It's a lot of fun. I think I think we passed 500 maintainers about a month or so ago. So, yeah. Yeah, something more structured like a website is probably better. Contribute is just redirecting to get up at the moment those. Yes, that one could actually be taken over as well. Yeah, I mean it might. It seems confusing to me to have contribute and contributors. Separately I'd kind of it would seem to make sense to have one website that with content both for people on who want to be on boarded and for people already there maybe just to Those we we discussed that in one of the meetings those are actually pretty different audiences. I mean, because you think about why somebody goes to the location, right? Why somebody goes contribute right now is there. Hey, I just graduated from programming camp, or I just got involved in cloud native but Kubernetes is too big for me to get involved in, you know, what other projects can I get involved in. And that's one orientation and there's a completely different orientation which to say, you know, hey, I'm, you know, Frederick I run Prometheus. How do I get help with project PR. They're very different needs and so if we put them both under contribute that cncf.io, the homepage for contribute that cncf.io would have to be a big page with two buttons on it one of which says I'm looking to contribute to a project and the other one says, I already run a project. And, well we could do that. It's not like subdomains cost us money. The new site sounds good. Probably blick need more conversation. Just take this to email. Josh, is your ask on an approval for an actual domain or a process to get one in short order so we don't keep like shedding. Yeah, the basically, you know, yeah, an approval to get, you know, to to stand up a new site understands sub site under cncf.io name to be determined later. Bike shedding to happen on mailing list or somewhere else. So is that silence means the TOC is fine with standing up domain. I think having a dedicated dedicated website makes a lot of sense for contributors and and maintainers and Yeah, I agree. I think it would be useful to have a website. That said, I don't think everybody from the TOC is here so maybe let's follow up over email. Thank you for asking a few folks so email follow up would be excellent. Thank you. All right, any other questions any other notes around contributor strategy. All right. See lots plus ones. Lee, instead of bike shedding, you get to present. I'm so much better at bike shedding than this. Okay, you can try both. Well good. So it's a network. We did not meet this last time but we we have been consistent prior to that last time or two memory serves. We use the signal work core meeting time to advance the service mesh working group. I think we've covered once or twice in this meeting. Part of the some of the initiatives under the service mesh working group, one of them that we had only alluded to and hadn't discussed much it sort of relates to Well, now I forget the exact name of the first thing that spoke the application delivery. I was talking about. Well, sample apps and publishing of those and helping educate and that's certainly part of the same charter for Sydney network. Within the service mesh working group there's been an effort to bring together a number of common service mesh patterns. The link in the slide links to a sheet that has right around 60 patterns. The there's about 30 that are considered foundational and about 30 that are considered advanced. And so that working group has been advancing those patterns. It's the intention of those that are involved to provide those as provide those a sample. Well, how do I provide easy tooling to deploy those sample patterns. So the sample patterns that are being worked on in the service mesh working group. Some of those members are also authoring a book on service mesh patterns. So they'll be included in that that separate book but also the community around a misery is working on implementing those patterns to make them easy to deploy so that people can learn about them to play around with them. Part of the effort of the working group around patterns is to also identify anti patterns. And so that's kind of an update from the service mesh working group. Recently, a Submariner as a potential project proposal shows signs of interest in potentially submitting, which is great. We want to spend some time with those folks and welcome them to come present or to go apply. Ambassador is an incubation or proposed incubation level project currently under review. Yeah, those are, and then yep, we will, I think the last two to three times that we've had, we've had cube con deep dives slash intros. And so we're, I think we're on the board again for this upcoming cube con. Where are we on ambassadors like jump back in. Is that is that another question you were hoping for today. I'm under equipped to I'm. Yeah, I couldn't I can't speak to it directly. Okay, I can follow up with you offline. That's fine. Any other questions in here. Checking chat checking like anybody unmuting. All right. Thank you, Lee. Go ahead and move on. Observability. I think that's either Matt or Richie or go ahead. Yeah, hello. How are you. So we have a quick update for today. We're not undergoing or we're not in the process of any ongoing reviews, you know, for having projects move from one portion of the CNCF to another sandbox incubating graduated. Following the state of observability work that was done by Cheryl that was pretty awesome to see. There was a desire to have this sake undertake a more comprehensive broader look at not just end user community members but the state of observability tooling and people's experiences with it. More broadly. So, given the, given the nuances there and doing that properly within, you know, the umbrella of a CNCF SIG, we've decided to start formulating a proposal for an actual working group that would have, you know, all of the process and oversight that a working group would have at the TLC level so that's work in progress. There's a draft, but it's quite early, but just as a preview the SIG is is taking that. Taking that up. There's another series of work items that are ongoing. One is pretty exciting. And it's a Prometheus slash Thanos metrics analytics API. This came out of some work that our talk has been doing with those upstream communities and is really around an API. That's that's still quite it's it's nascent, but it's all around how analytics workloads can engage with you know and move around access manipulate data generated from observability tools. So there's a link in the slide, and there was a recent spike for that to add parquet as an input output format. We are organizing a round of observability projects where they can come to the SIG and do either short webinars or introductions to the project. As an example, we've reached out and have ongoing discussions with litmus, which is a chaos engineering project that has a lot of observability outputs. And another example is open telemetry. We're, you know, we'll be having a webinar with them, but the actual work item that is happening presently is defining what's the format for that. You know, a template for slides things like that so that it's well formed and it's within the scope of the SIG and not either, you know, architecture or things like that. And then lastly, there's a work stream document that we've been incubating in the in the SIG around analytics use cases for observability data more broadly. And there's a link there for anyone that's interested. Other than that, I think things are going well. We have more people joining every week, and the community has been growing. And I think you'll see the SIG transition from open discussion meet greet let's figure out what this is about to to more horizontally scaling work streams and being able to really provide provide people who are passionate about the about the whole domain to work in parallel and collaborate across projects and across industry. So that's been very exciting to see. Also, and that's it from us. Matt question has the the end user radar. Was that a point of discussion within the SIG. Yes, that actually consumed, I think, two meetings ago, almost the entire meeting in a positive way. As well as last meeting a portion of it. And out of that discussion. I think we want to vector people's passions, I'll say, to to the working group so that we can, we can actually have, you know, a time bounded effort goals, artifacts outputs that are that are agreed upon before it starts given again the nuance around the role of its role in the space. And, frankly, most of our, most of the folks that have been showing up to the SIG meetings are actually from companies working in the space. We actually would like to see more and more end users show up. I'm an end user, but I'm in. I'm quite outnumbered. And that's not a bad thing either right to see, you know, it's actually. I'm just, I'll just leave it there. I'm not, I'm not sure. Is there more of a specific question that you're asking or I mean, yes, it did spawn, spawn quite a lot of conversation. And Cheryl joined us two two meetings ago so a month ago to kind of help to disambiguate and and provide more context around what it was what it was not what the goals were what the goals were not etc. I appreciate that. Nope, there wasn't. It was an innocent question or there wasn't an insinuation. Oh yeah well so if I'm if I'm speaking freely, well carefully freely. I think I think some of the, and again the recordings are up I don't want to, I don't want to put. I don't want to poorly summarize but I think there was a little bit of learning that folks knew to the CNCF and to the SIG structure. I don't want to say learning that's pejorative. Not pejorative. I think we had to kind of reiterate, you know that this was a survey of a small set of end user community members it was not a broad industry survey. There were things like, you know, the CNCF is not a king maker. This SIG is not, you know, either a king maker nor as a, you know, an approval body it's a place where we can come together and talk about these these issues and, and ideally form working groups and or work streams that, that are that are productive in a collaborative way. And so, you know, when it comes to a broader survey. I think that is well within the R scope we call it out in our charter as something we'd like to do and, and it serves a number of purposes, one of which being to identify gaps in the CNCF where we might want to engage with projects that are not in the CNCF but also to look at how out in industry that are using in some cases a blend of open source and or CNCF projects or vendor projects and sometimes the vendor projects are based on those open source projects so it's it's quite a layered nuanced domain. And so if we wanted to undergo a broader survey that doesn't just include CNCF members but includes, you know, industry generally how would we go about that and so thankfully some people in the SIG have prior experience with running surveys like that. And, you know, again, it's it's a very early proposal in its earliest days of the first draft so we don't really have anything to talk about concretely but we hope in the coming cycles to have a concrete proposal for the TLC for a working group that so we can, you know, be clear and specific about what it is and then and then take on the work to do it. Okay. I have two more questions that I will. Yeah, yeah. Run time.  Hey everyone. This is Ricardo. So, yeah, so we have been doing some work reaching out to communities and having some presentations in our meetings. So in different spaces. So on the OS for container space. We had the two projects, two projects presenting our meetings. The first one was Talos and that's an operating system that allows you to manage all the components using API so it's a secure way of managing all the components. And it's patterned that it's, you know, being used more in the, for example, there's, there's another project called bottle rocket from Amazon Web Services. And they're using a similar approach where you manage the operating system using just API is and so you don't have access to the shell or, you know, or SSH access so it's a different way of having it more secure. Then another project in the operating systems for containers is flat car that's from Kimbock and that that's pretty much an evolution on core OS and with some extra capabilities so they're at they're getting a lot more adoption because I think core OS is not longer being or it's not longer active. So, yeah, and in the same idea behind core OS where you have this lightweight operating system where you can run containers on top of it. And then on the containers in run times, we had some projects present and also reached out to some other projects so one of the interesting ones that we had at our last meeting. There is WSCC, which is a WebAssembly secure capabilities connector. So that's a way to the couple of your applications into different pieces into different WebAssembly modules and this different pieces can talk to each other using a broker. So the idea is for making it easier for developers to just focus on the business logic and use some of the other bits in WebAssembly so they, you know, they have those other capabilities in those other bits. For example, like if you want to connect to a database using a Redis database or like Cassandra database that will be a WebAssembly module just for that and so developers wouldn't have to focus on creating that WebAssembly module but they would just use it and use the system to connect to it. So that was WA-SCC so pretty interesting and since like that's some of the workloads and how they're going to be maybe run in the future or glimpse of how they're going to run in the future. So another project is a trial and we reached out to them. That's a container image registry and it's written Rust so they're interested in presenting so they haven't come from yet so hopefully we get them to present in our meetings. Then we reached out to Wasm3 which is a WebAssembly runtime and this is a runtime that you can use to run something like your WebAssembly modules that can be used with something like WA-SCC. And then we also reached out to another project called Nanos and that's basically running a unique kernel in a VM so we'll see if they want to present in our meeting. On the AIOps and H IoT space also we had some projects presented and we reached out to. So seldom core is basically machine learning operating operations framework so it allows you to serve your models, machine learning models and then also make the inference and and have some other capabilities on how to improve some of the model and get information on the how it's working and how it's doing the inference part. Then Qflow is another project that we reached out and they're interested in presenting so basically this is machine learning end to end. So it allows you to run the full stack like the learning part, the serving part so you can use something like some long core on top of Qflow so we'll hopefully have them present. Qflow is another project that it's in the edge computing IoT space and they're scheduled to present that are next week. And last but not least very net it's deep learning gateway that runs on top of Raspberry Pi so you can set it up at the edge and do deep learning type of workloads. So that's what for the projects and for the presentations and communities, I'm sorry, and as far as the projects. So we don't have a lot of activity activity so way is still looking for a TLC sponsor so we're going to leave it up here. So that you know it's out there so in case there's a TLC sponsor that wants to go ahead and continue with the due diligence. And then as far as our work group container orchestrator device working group. They submitted a KubeCon North America panel so they're very excited about that and will be got accepted so representing. They're working on a POC so this is the standard way of using devices in containers so they're looking at doing a POC for with potman and container D which is which are to run times. And then they're also looking at integrating with NRI which is the no resource interface, another project presented presented our one of one of our meetings, about a month ago. Yeah, and that's all I have for the updates for sick runtime. So, any questions or anything. Thank you. Good stuff and chat, people are very happy with this so great thank you. Thank you. All right I don't see any questions to hear I don't see anybody in muting. Cool. So we'll move on to security. Hello. Hello. How's the data and security. So, first up we have county security day. That's happening. We're excited about it. I believe the CFP's just ended yesterday. So we're going to have kind of round up with the reviews for the proposals. So kind of cheddar we are we are thinking about doing a CTF for this virtual instance for this. We'll see how that works out. But again all these details about this is an in sick security events on on sec. So, another thing to happen is then shall finishes term as a coach for security. So we have nominated Emily Fox as our new coach and the vote has been successful so congratulations to Emily. And another, another thing is on security assessments. So this is something that we started off in docker con 2019. We got together and created the first draft for what security assessments will look like the security assessment process. So we made a decision to say that after the first five assessments will come back and take a review of this process and kind of fine tune it and change it in a way that made sense. But we didn't want to make any changes yet until we had a good amount of data points. So right now we are on the completion of our fifth security assessment, which is key cloak. So the assessment has been done. The other outline has been drafted so it's just a matter of cleaning something and presenting it. So in light of that, we did retrospective presentation we put together kind of some feedbacks from the initial draft is off the assessment process. And there were a lot of ideas and a lot of discussion points that were brought up in the community. So we set up a kind of a small working group to kind of target what are some things you can do with the security assessment process. This involves, you know, making the documentation a little bit better. We talked about how to modify the schedule so it works better for both reviewers as well as project leads. And one of the target items that we also like to see is to see how this will map onto the new to see process from the new sandbox process as well as incubation and graduation and how it relates to security assessment. Last but not least, we have the cloud native security quite paper. So progress on that is good. We had a few gaps in terms of content for the storage, but we reached out to six storage and Alex has volunteered to help us out with that. We are expecting all content to be done within another week or two. And we will be having a draft that will be ready to for review by select reviewers. So hopefully that will be in a ready set that we can share pretty soon. Question and chat around six security working on the recommendation for in total at the moment. Um, I think that I think the last one we did was, if I recall correctly, we did something for opa I don't think we've made a recommendation for in total yet. But this would be similar to I think what we did with opa which we would. Is this for incubation. If I'm not wrong. I believe say yes. Okay yeah I think we've got to go back to the. We've already done the security assessment for in total, I think we will go back to that just see what are the changes that have been since then and if we would give a recommendation based on that. But let me make sure that we have that on our list of to do. Thank you. All right. We can move on to storage. Go ahead Alex. Hello. Okay, so with for figure who are currently looking to come in as a incubation project. Justin Cormac has volunteered to be the the TSC sponsor for the due diligence process. We're going to allocate tech lead and I'll be working to schedule those those first meetings with the with the project team in the coming days or couple of weeks. With open EBS, we had a good review with the project team around the, the, the multitude of repose and some of the challenges, which regards to the licenses, we may, we're going to be reviewing this internally. We may need to touch base with with the with the foundations. Find legal counsel. There's your answer. What is this process can find me. You thank you very much. The TICV graduation votes was completed. So that's, so that's great news. The rec graduation vote is is still ongoing. During the last to see sandbox review, there were a few questions around the IBM's data set lifecycle framework. There were some questions around, you know, the clarity and the targets functionality for for the framework. So, so the project team took the opportunity to put an FAQ together and represented at the sake which, which I've shared with the to see. But fundamentally, you know, we think there is little overlap with the, with the, with the cap that the to see was was concerned about. And I think that this should this new information hopefully should should allow the to see to vote for the for the project at the next sandbox meeting. So the performance and benchmarking white paper. It's, it's been paused for a couple of weeks, but we hope to finish this off and and it should draft well before cube con and launch it formally in time for cube con. So our virtual session accepted one of the one of the things we're looking to, to build out in the run up to cube con is some of the view of some of the gaps that we see in the in the storage CNCF landscape, at least. And it's similar to to what runtime have done, which is absolutely exemplary is trying to try and invite some of the, some of the projects within that landscape to present at the sake and build up a bit more of a community to to address some of those gaps. So, what's the space will have more information for the next meeting. And that's me. I don't see any other questions and chat anything else. Any overall questions. Going once going twice. I guess everyone is done here. So, thank you very much everyone. Good to see all of you and be well. Thank you. Thank you.