Good afternoon. Good evening. Good morning dependent on where you all are from I know there's someone at least here from the other side of the pond some people who are in South America Wherever you are guys. I can't tell you how how excited I am Let me first matter of fact, let me just do it this way. So I do not mess up I want to give you all a quick bio of our guests who's coming on His name is dr. Christopher Cohn and let me just read off to you You by the way, you can go to his to his website dr. Cohn calm and I recommend you do that There's a plethora of resources to find out more about him But dr. Cohn is not some some Johnny come lately some guy that just opened up shop and and and and put together a website He served as or serves as president CEO of Agathon edu educational group and leaves I don't even know if I'm sentence-right versiti in Colorado Biblical University. I'll let you all read this but Obviously, this is someone who does not have or does not lack in credentials and so Let me tell you how I first met him I met dr. Cohn as you all know when I was in prison when I was in my government induced hiatus and there are people The the the prison was trying to get because in the DFW area There are a lot of seminaries and Bible colleges around here and just trying to get someone to come in to teach Because there's obviously there's there's also some bad teaching out there as well and to get a good sound Teacher from a particular seminary. Well, they others DTS and Southwest and Baptist would come in But they would charge an extremely extremely a large amount of money, which a lot of the inmates didn't have But Tyndale decided to come and do it and to do it for free But not only that but to bring in the president of Tyndale would also come on And so that's how I got to meet dr. Cohn. And so without further ado, let me bring on dr. Cohn dr. Cohn. How are you? Hey, I'm doing great sitting here talking with you Corey You all just don't know how that when I first met dr. Cohn. It was 2012 I believe And and my my first thought was I told you guys I am a skeptic with a Bible And so it's just natural that because you hear all these jay-hoos Come around and say this and that and so I hear him speaking. It's okay. This guy seemed to be pretty sharp My former pastor my last two pastors were both professors at DTS. That was the electoral seminary So I'm used to having a certain type of teaching well He said something that threw me off and I just all know I was up in arm In matter of fact half of us in the class were up in arm And that is him saying this this had to be heresy it had to be heresy Saying that speaking about the new covenant. I got what he was speaking about hermeneutics and dispensationalism and so forth, but When he said that me as a Gentile as wonderful and awesome as I am as a Westernized Gentile They the new covenant was not for me. I Spent days and weeks and months trying to figure out where he was wrong and guys. I Had to admit to the class. I was wrong And so that being said dr. Come I want to go ahead and and and bring you on talk about talk about some things I I tell the people that it is important to have a healthy hermeneutics and The one that I subscribe to obviously is the one that you subscribe to which is a dispensational hermeneutics Which is to be have this? literal grammatical historical hermeneutics and so could you explain to us Why that is important what it is what this hermeneutics is and why it's so important Sure sure Well, it's essentially the idea of communication, right as as we're talking as Cori and I are talking We we had to decide on a time to come together and have this conversation And so when we talked to each other about the schedule and about the timing of it we could understand what each other was saying and Because we're using nouns and verbs and numbers and things like that So we understood each other in a normative way, right? That's how communication works. Well, God has communicated it to us in his word and he's done so using language which he created and Which he allows us to understand and so the very nature of communication means kind of using these tools God has given us and And those tools often involve nouns and verbs just basic aspects of communication And so the way we would understand each other Normatively in a normal conversation Everyone else listening would understand the same things now There might be some terms that maybe they haven't heard before or maybe, you know We have some inside terminology or something like that, but for the most part anyone listening can understand what we're saying Okay, so that's kind of how communication works now With the Bible God has communicated Using these basic languages These men have written them down And then we read those those words now the question is do we take them at face value? using the normative rules of communication or Do we decide we don't like what it says if we take it that way so we change the rules of communication So that we can manipulate it And what we're trying to do is to use a normative Understanding which is we would call it technically literal grammatical historical And the idea is just to take God at his word just like, you know, you're taking me and I'm taking you Okay, so If I if I take a literal hermeneutic approach such as you say Is it would it be natural to always come to the conclusion that there is a distinction Between the church and Israel and that God still has a future plan for ethnic Israel Yeah, and even those who would disagree with using that hermeneutic Will agree that if you use a normative hermeneutic Literal grammatical story just take it for what it says You're going to end up with this view of Israel and the church being distinct Israel having specific promises, you know covenants to be fulfilled literally and Those particular theologians don't like that So they say we've got to change the the hermeneutic because otherwise we end up with that Why think of it? Yeah, go ahead. Why do you think they don't like that? Well, I think part of it is The context in which they arrived at this imagine this Uh, you remember Jerusalem and and national Israel was wiped off the face of the earth in 70 ad Okay, now actually Jews were still around the world right and God had promises to Israel But the nation of Israel is no longer identifiable. It's just it's scattered and gone right Now imagine 300 years later. You're trying to do theology So you open up the bible and you read about all these things God's going to do for Israel And you look around and there's no such thing as Israel So you're trying to protect God's honor you're trying to protect God's word because He may not know what he's talking about and if I take his word at face value I'm out there proclaiming. Hey, God's got a future for Israel. Well, there's no Israel, you know So what they're doing is they're trying to fix a problem By changing the communication So they look around and say there's no such thing as Israel Um, you know, we got to take God in his word, but he couldn't invent Israel. So he must have meant Um, it's spiritual Israel, right? And that's how it happened. So it's not like anybody's deliberately to Harm God's word or harm theology. They're trying to do God's work for him And when we do that we're we're asking for trouble Is it now I've I've I've kind of said this same the same thing I may have been a little harsher. Um, I have kind of impugned Maybe I've impugned people's faith Because I've stated it's almost like with with Abraham and sarah Trying to figure out what God meant that maybe God didn't really mean this Maybe God meant that it almost trying to help God out and the same thing with Israel because well You go for all these years and there is no Israel. Well God couldn't be wrong. So there has to be some sort of understanding and so But if God literally meant that he would remove Israel out of the land And he literally stated that he'll bring them back. Well then But they hadn't been brought back yet, but then here comes 1948 and I think that that that may have sent a lot people kind of scrambling And then you see more and more people kind of coming back to this This view would would would you agree with that? I think you nailed it. You're absolutely right And in 1948 brought a key a key event because as now there's a sovereign national israel again Maybe we got to take a second look Because maybe we've misunderstood those promises and then there's been a rise and a return to literal grammatical historical hermeneutics. So I think the basic cautionary tale is When we let our experience dictate our theology We're we're really asking for trouble because we're going to find ourselves Rewriting God's word in a way that makes sense to us or that fits our paradigm instead of Just submitting to what he said Yeah, so let me ask you this and this is kind of where we We kind of you know at first I wanted to just Just this this is about even knowing anything about dr. Cone and tendell and This is when we got now we were tracking our way through the bible by the way guys Let me just hold on a book. This is one of my and you'll know this book. This is one of my favorite Let me get on screen right way. This one of my favorite books. It is There behind me. I've got a lot of really thick books Uh that are sometimes hard to read or boring and so forth. But this is literally literally I'm not saying this because you're here literally one of my favorite books on the matter of fact You'll do I still you'll you'll recognize this if I put on the screen dr. Cone You recognize that do indeed yours looks better though Guys where that where that came from that chart came from here Because the way dr. Cone kind of put things really in a in a concise async manner It just kind of well really as I'm reading this bible I need to kind of read things kind of chronologically Also recognizing where people are what's happening who these prophets are prophesying to and things like that Uh, and it kind of just helped me out a whole lot While all the while I'm thinking I might I'm I think I know this bible pretty well But to have it put in the way that he lays this out guys I would recommend you can go to his website and order this book I keep putting in the wrong spots so you all can't see it But it is and I think the screen is kind of blur a concise bible survey Excellent excellent and the size of it is not intimidating. So I would recommend you guys you guys go and get it but We were doing fine Going through the old testament and working our way through when you started talking about Israel and I didn't have that much of a problem with it There came a point in time when we talked about the new covenant and we talked about How it's it's not for us Can you explain it because I've there are people there are going to be people in the chats People are going to watch this later. They're going to have a headache Trying to try to try to argue with you. Can you explain this to us? Yeah, so The word the key word is consistency, right? Either god has communicated and I have to let him say what he said Or he hasn't it's all or nothing, right? It's either god's word or it's not so As I began examining some of these things I realized that I wasn't being consistent in some areas And so I tried to challenge myself and and say, okay If I just let the text speak for itself, what does it say? And the first mention of the new covenant Is in Jeremiah 31 And he says I will make a new covenant with Israel and Judah Well, that's kind of a big deal now that At the time there was a divided kingdom of Israel and Judah right the Israel in the north and Judah in the south and So god is saying that both groups are going to be recipients of this covenant Right and so it's not just for Judah and it's not just for his it's for the whole all all of the Jewish people who are Israel But then he goes on And and he talks and it starts in Jeremiah 31. I'm gonna I'm gonna flip there If in case anybody else wants to Jeremiah 31 31 and So he says He's talking about the mosaic covenant the old covenant As they came out of Egypt But he says verse 33. This is the covenant which I'll make with the house of Israel after those days against the house of Israel so I'm still waiting for Some other group to be included and it's very exclusive He says I will put my law within them and on their heart all right I'll be their god. They'll be my people and then notice this A lot of people will say that this covenant is actually being fulfilled in the church But notice when it says in verse 34 No longer shall each one teaches neighbor and his brother saying no lord for they shall all know me from the least of the greatest So I just incidentally by the way, I'll challenge I'll challenge people who who believe we're we're under the new covenant and that it's being fulfilled through the church today Somehow spiritually I'll say well then you got to stop teaching your kids because it stopped evangelizing because Everyone as a part of this covenant from the least of the greatest knows him already if the new covenant's being fulfilled So stop and no parents going to do that, right? No, uh, so so you look at the practical implications of Of this this theology that comes from an inconsistent hermeneutic and you get some problems. So here we realize God is going to make a covenant with israel and it will involve All of the nation being saved and then paul describes that in romans, right? He in romans 9 through 11 talks about that so That's that that is the specific content of the new covenant in the old testament There are a couple of other references, but that's it. It's focused on israel alone And so what we discover is for the church Who by the way has many jewish? members and many jinn members It's a different economy or administration or if I can use the word dispensation So going back to this because I I I don't know if I've made too much of it I don't think that I have made too much of it, but even back to Jeremiah 31 because I've There are people that'll make statements and I kind of go to them because I'm I like to challenge you challenge them When they make statements if no other reason, maybe I'm wrong and I'd like to find out if I'm wrong So that way I'll learn something new But uh, the issue the question is is god does god have a specific focus on on just one ethnic group Well as it relates to israel He seems to say so in verse 36. He says If this fixed order is speaking about the the stars and the waves and so forth If this fixed order departs from before me declares the lord Then shall the offspring of israel cease from being a nation before me for forever and so Clearly to me those that that order hasn't departed and so israel will always be a nation Before the lord forever meaning that He still has a plan for them and he's speaking specifically of them as a nation Did I have that right? 100% You know We look at these covenants that god has made with israel Including the new covenant And we want to kind of put ourselves into it But what we need to do is go back to genesis 12 3 Where he says through you can you say that in? No, no, no, no, no that that uh that verse again. There's a reason why I want you to say it again Genesis 12 3 The the reason why I'm saying that is because I said guys that there are Certain verses in the bible that you need to just if you want to if you like getting tattoos tattoo that on you Amen, because that's where everything begins to unfold not obviously. We don't know everything that's happening here But that particular verse That starts it off. I so that's why I was saying that I love it. I love it and I put it this way Um when he says in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed He's telling you that He's telling abraham that uh That he'll have this mighty nation in the previous six promises, but in that promise right there He's saying everyone who's not specifically descended from abraham Uh Will be blessed through you and then we see that fulfilled in christ, right? And what that's basically saying is what we see a few times in revelation three times when we hear that God has saved people from every tribe tongue nation and people right so in in other words The promises that that we are benefiting from That you and I are benefiting from unless we're ethnic jews and part of the community of israel The promises we're benefiting from is found in in genesis 12 3 all the families of the earth It's we're like part of the fulfillment of that and that's pretty awesome So we go back to genesis 12 3 to see how god redeemed us and he used abraham and he used abraham's descendent singular namely christ But that does not invalidate the previous promises god made to abraham For this nation which one day will be we'll see their salvation and through this same christ Now before I get to get back to to israel and and and them as a nation I'm trying to go remember and I do remember the train of thought that I had then because A lot of people who I who I deal with even today Uh, they had the exact same train of thought And and I do want to get to a couple things. I want to dispel some I think some things that are easily dispelled in terms of The tribulation and the millennium and so forth but So if if we are not under so are we are we to believe that we are saved not under the new covenant But we are our salvation This promise is from the the new cover. I mean the new covenant the abrahamic covenant That's exactly how I put it The the new covenant has not yet begun to be fulfilled Uh, if you continue reading in that context of jeremiah 31 When it's fulfilled the nation will live in the land in peace never to be disturbed again. Well, that hasn't happened And they're being disturbed every day And it's also specific land and specific boundaries, which israel has never possessed So that hasn't even begun yet now christ when he died Even before he died in the upper room He presented the cup right as he instituted what we call the lord supper And he says this is the new covenant in my blood And what he's telling the disciples is his blood is going to be the ratification of the covenant These covenants are always paid for in blood somehow, right? And so it's gonna be his blood that pays because this covenant means Redemption and forgiveness and you can't have those without the shedding of blood, right? Someone has to pay so he's paid. He's the sacrifice Okay, so that yeah, go ahead. So explain this to me again Um, I think I got caught what you said, but I want others who may not have have caught it also So first chrithians 11 25 where it says that uh speaking of the opportunity says do this in remembrance of me And he says in the same way also he took the cup after supper saying this cup is the new covenant in my blood Do this as often as you drink in remembrance of me and so the questions are going to be well If we're not part of the new covenant, then why would we as gentiles be partaking in the communion? Perfect Can you put that verse back on the screen because it's the very next verse notice verse 26 He tells us the application for the church as often as you the chrithian church And and us right as believers as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup You do what you proclaim the lord's death until he comes. That's the reason right there We are proclaiming his his death And and you could look at it this way. Okay, so imagine three points on a triangle Okay, with the top point being the blood of jesus The blood of jesus is he is at the center, but then we have this other point You know lower point of the triangle And let's call that israel Jesus fulfills the new covenant in his blood ratifies it in his blood so that one day he can inaugurate or initiate So now that covenant's paid for by jesus for israel now you've got the other point on the triangle According to genesis 12 3 which paul later calls the holy spirit speaking the gospel beforehand You have all the families of the earth Blessed through this one and he provides through his blood again He provides forgiveness and grace and mercy and all these things So in other words the community of israel will one day receive the blessings of the new covenant through the blood of christ Those who are not a part of that particular community By faith in jesus christ will receive all the promised blessings that that he promised to them Through the blood of jesus christ So we're all looking to the same one christ all through his blood by grace through faith The difference is he's made promises to ethnic national israel And then he's made other promises to everyone who will believe in him regardless of their ethnicity Okay Now because we went there I naturally have to ask the other question that gets brought up and that is dealing with second second corinthians 3 6 So let's put that up. This is says this is paul speaking He's let's start in verse five He says not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us But our sufficiency is from god verse 6 who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant Not of the letter but of the spirit for the letter kills But the spirit gives life and so the question that's brought up is in how then if we are not part of the new covenant How are we then ministers of a new covenant or is he speaking to us? It's a great question So we always have to in normative communication understand who's the we right the week we is a pronoun There's an antecedent to the pronoun and it's it's paul and silo's timothy And so he's talking about we Are ministers of the new covenant? Well that that word is servant their servants of the new covenant How are they serving the new covenant? He doesn't explain in second corinthians But he does in romans 9 through 11. He explains that by proclaiming this gospel message to the Gentiles They by believing will make the nation of israel jealous and then they will turn and believe Well when israel turns and believes that's when the new covenant begins to be fulfilled So by by paul's ministry To the the the Gentiles he's kind of He's serving the process of the new covenant Providing israel an opportunity to be jealous and return to their messiah I think that's what he's talking about in second corinthians when he says we it doesn't extend to all believers But even if it did let's say you and I are included in that Then we are still the same In the same way we could say we're we're ministers of the new covenant because our purpose Part of our purpose according to romans 9 through 11 Is to make the nation the people of israel jealous for their own messiah Does that make any sense? That makes sense. I I had I wrestled with it um, I I originally originally what I said was that the way he's speaking of could be applied to maybe the the uh paul and his cohorts In the in the apostles or but someone said well I I could see that being applied to to us as gentiles Okay, well fine. I think as you said I think it still works that way as well And so that I think it makes perfect sense to me so Yeah, the challenge is taking a passage like that and and And because it's a it's a vague reference I will grant that because it's a vague reference moving all the way to now the new covenant is for the church Yeah, I can't I can't there's not enough there to to arrive at that kind of conclusion But when people turn around and say As they say out of roman said hey, we have been The new testament is the new testament the new covenant is for israel and we've been grafted into israel So it's now for us. How how would you address that? Well, so the being grafted in Part of it is defining what it is. We're grafted into And I would suggest that that that we're not actually grafted into israel That we're grafted into the root There's only a couple of mentions of that term ritza in the greek Root and it's in those references is referring to jesus And so being grafted into the root now then one could say well, what about the threat of being removed? Well, who's the week his two audiences are jews and gentiles And he's saying that you know the jews had this opportunity to be connected to the messiah And then the gentiles had opportunity to be connected to the messiah And and he can end that opportunity the the times of the nations and and return focus to israel Right in the prophetic calendar of the daniel nine thing. So I think that's what he's dealing with there And it's about national roma's nine through eleven is all about national and not individual Where when we look at passages about individual salvation, he's not talking about nations or ethnicities He's talking about individual So so we're not grafted into a covenant. We're grafted into christ I agree. Yeah. I think that Specifically the we is you've got jews and gentiles and the gentiles are grafted in Connected to the jewish the root the root of david the jewish messiah So let me ask you this question. So for people who aren't as They haven't really thought out, you know, everything all the different nuances and all the different things that we talk about They haven't really thought it through This whole idea of not being part of the new covenant. Why is that? Why do you think that's so scary for them? Uh, maybe two reasons. I think one, um It's something that we generally don't hear a lot of Uh, any any time we hear something new we learn something new it can be a little scary Because it forces us to move a little bit off of what we're comfortable with and what we know By the way, I would really encourage everybody watching to be so comfortable with coming to god's word to learn That you don't even have that feeling you're always there looking for okay What is he doing here? How can I get rid of my old ways of thinking and just concentrate on what he said? You know come to the word to learn and grow to know him better Uh, the second reason is I think the the dominating theology um Maybe as much as 80 percent of the academy Uh, if you will the the theological academy teaches an inconsistent hermeneutic And ends up with this kind of theology that says God isn't going to be working with israel anymore. He's he's working through the church Now isra was the church of the old testament now We're the church of the new testament and it's just this theology that we've we've had for so long Because of in part what I described where israel wasn't on the planet as a nation Instead of reassessing and coming to the word of god to learn and grow We're just adopting what people tell us And so I would encourage people to look for themselves And and look at god's word that way If I said it this way tell me if if if if you think ought to change the way I'm saying and I'm looking for the better way to put it But I say guys that we're we're not we're not saved by the promise We're saved by what the promise the actions that god is going to do through the promise in other words that The new covenant or abrahamic covenant Is not what saves it's just his promise of him doing Something to save us with that would would you have a problem with that? No, I think that's dead on that's really important because I think I think we get bent out of shape Wait a minute. I'm not part of the new covenant Well, okay So what is it if you found out that you weren't part of the new covenant? It doesn't mean that you're any less a believer if you are indeed a believer You're not you're not less saved because you're not you know Because what I found find interesting and this will go into the next part What I find interesting is is is We tend to want to take part in the blessings of israel But not what israel has come in the bad side and how did you used to put it? How how you said this to be one time? Uh, quit trying to weasel in or would you say weasel in on on is just left there's something like that Probably something like that. I don't know But so and so when I asked them what about what israel has coming the negative side You don't want to take part in the punishment that is that is also promised to israel And so their next Retort or response is going to be well That's not actual literal. That's that's symbolic or I heard someone i'm gonna i'm gonna deal with him a little later, but that We are in we are in the millennium or we're in the tribulation and To me as a head scratcher, but how would you deal with that? But I guess before that maybe we ought to deal with these these prophecies from jeremiah and daniel You know and there's another real important aspect cori of this discussion that I think Again, it's consistency if we Think we're under the old covenant Then we've got to anticipate that the new covenant is for us, too And this is a part of our culture as well that we we place ourselves under the law And and somehow perceive that that that law is for us that we're under that law And It's the old covenant. Well, if we're under the old covenant, then we would expect the new covenant, right? and and The roman catholic church historically Reformed theology historically has have all been consistent in saying we are under different aspects of the mosaic law Well, paul's just resounding in his we are not under the law, right? Jesus crucified that now it still has benefit if we use it lawfully It's still builds up right it's still god's word But we're not under that law And so I think for christians today to realize the liberty they have in christ That they were never under the law of moses. That was a covenant in exodus 19 given to the nation of israel For a specific purpose. And so if we weren't under That old covenant, why would we expect to be under the new covenant? Likewise, if we're not under the new covenant, why would we put ourselves under this old covenant? And it's really awesome to think we don't have a covenant relationship with god He adopts us as sons. We're not in a contract. We're sons aphesians one You know, that is awesome And much more personal if you will I think so too. I don't I don't get it With I maybe it's maybe it's maybe it's jealousy. I don't I don't know I like what k l put he said it's covenant covenantal fear of missing out Maybe we think maybe we think that we are we are less than but again he He intentionally according to his according to his word has So to speak put israel on the shelf And he's dealing with us I think that's that it makes you feel I like to I like to feel special and that that makes me feel special And I and I think that when this as he says the time of the gentiles are fulfilled Or the fullness has come. Well, it hadn't come yet because I still see gentiles, you know, by and large coming But I think and the only way that you you see this is if you take a literal view, especially a literal view of daniel 9 and 12 and Jeremiah 30. I don't know if you want to matter of fact. Yeah, can we can we cover those? You bet as a quick preface think of it this way Uh god has made National and ethnic promises and then god has made individual promises Genesis 12 3 deals with those who are not a part of the ethnic and and national And the individual and that's where we're seeing these blessings today The the ethnic and nationalists for israel and the nation of israel. So in other words, jewish people today Have the same access to god as everyone else right through by faith in jesus christ There's no greater or lesser blessings It's just the nation of israel as you put it is kind of on the shelf The prophetic calendar is paused if you will and then one day god's going to put them back in the center focus The nation in the meantime every individual jew and gentile alike All has opportunity to walk with the lord through through christ And we can say that based on what we see in daniel nine for example pull that okay, um I don't do you want to read the whole thing or you want to just just hit on certain parts of it Yeah, we can we can hit some some highlights basically he lays out a 490 year calendar and the 70 weeks in english This is where you know the normative reading of scripture is important when it's this weeks that word week We think of it seven days But it's actually the word for sevens. It's literally just 77s are decreed Well, 77s of what well when you read the context you realize this is 77s of of years Right, so 490 years and he basically says 490 years to finish all this To bring in righteousness right and to anoint a most holy and I think that's by the way the word place isn't in the text there It's actually just to anoint the most holy, which I think is a reference to the messiah But anyway, so you have from The going out of the word to restore and build Jerusalem, which was 445 ad That edict for neomai to go build the city Would be this period of time and he lays out this calendar For the coming of messiah And then you have one seven left after the messiah is cut off Right, so seven years you have 483 years past messiah is cut off And then you have the seven year remaining aspect of the prophecy But what what we discover is after the messiah is cut off Because they didn't receive the kingdom Jesus says i'm going to do something else for a while and paul explains that in romans 9 through 11 This this church and israel as you put it, you know kind of on the shelf The times of the Gentiles and all that But that last seven years will be fulfilled at some point in the future We'll call that jacob's trouble from germa 25 or the tribulation As jesus talks about it in nancy 24 Luke 21 march 13, so And then after that seven-year period He returns with his believers who somehow mysteriously got to heaven In an event we called rapture before the seven years They come to earth jesus sits on a throne and then national israel rules And guess what every believer in christ rules with them so that that fomo. We don't have to don't have to have fomo because because While we are not israel We get to Rule with christ who is the messiah and the king of israel we get to rule with israel And that's going to be pretty awesome because I think what was interesting if someone thinks that that uh That we are a part of We are this new israel then romans 11 just i'm just put on the screen It it it it just it's out of place It says what then israel failed to obtain what it was seeking deal the elect Obtained it but the rest were hardened as it was written God gave them the spirit of stupor eyes that would not see Any years it would not hear down to this very day and so Am i to take that also that if if we are if if we're included in that then that would make any sense then right? Yeah, it would be fairly confusing what paul's referring to you remember in matthew 12 Jesus is rejected by the leadership of israel and then immediately after that in 13 he starts to speak in parables And the disciples say why are you speaking in parables and he says so that they will hear and won't Won't be able to learn they'll see right any any quotes prophecy explaining that That that they are they're being given the truth, but they're not going to be allowed to receive it anymore So he's speaking in parables to hide the truth from them So it's kind of like that giving a spirit of of stupor if you will Where there were jews who had believed in jesus i mean the entire early church For the first few chapters of acts it's all jewish people right so it's not like That god hasn't dismissed the jewish people It's the nation of israel and the national promises are put on hold But the individual jewish person has the same opportunity in fact paul says to the jew first They have the same opportunity to know christ and to receive their messiah that way so Someone's told me and this i'm gonna there's going to be a follow-up video to this video Where there'd be kind of more questions for the guys and also to make a response to I was on someone else's channel trying to discuss this and there I don't think there was enough organization to it, but One of the things that I brought out and I hear this all the time is that These numbers that are given these literal actual numbers Are not to be taken literal. They are more figurative and symbolic which which brings me to daniel 12 7 Let me put on the screen guys Is it 12 7? Yeah 12 7 Uh and really not verse 7, but he he's speaking of a time Uh times and a half a time So that seems to be seven years and then he gives us this exact date or the exact Yeah, that's exact numbering In verse 11 he says and from that time I mean from time I'm sorry from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination That makes desolate is set up. There shall be 1290 days blessed to you whose weight and arrives The 1335 days and so my question to them is Why would god have these numbers? Pretty specific numbers Not roundabout numbers, but why if if he doesn't intend for these to be taken literally if they're just figurative He could just say it's going to be some time a few months So I'm sorry go ahead. Yeah, and this is this is where we We can become really inconsistent. See you're you're looking at face value saying hey He says 1290 means 1290 right? He says 1335. It's pretty simple. We see the same thing in revelation 6 with 144,000 And what you look at is those who don't Want to be consistent with their hermeneutics because it leads them to a theology Where israel has a specific physical promise future and and the church has a slightly different one They don't want to accept that so they have to take these numbers And change the meaning into something allegorical figurative and essentially Will come up with some really interesting things like oh this these 144,000 just means the fullness of Of god, it's many. Well, come on now God knows how to talk. He knows how to say many And he knows how to say myriads and myriads, right? But he also knows how to say 12,000 And he knows how to say 1290 And 1335 so I think it's just a matter of are we willing to let god's word shape our theology or are we Trying to shape it ourselves because we don't like his system, right? So I think this is just me And this is why I even put the title in the thumbnail a selfish way to read the bible or reading the bible selfishly because When someone told me the other day That we are in the tribulation And my thought was wow the tribulation if this is the tribulation It's ain't so bad. This ain't so bad after all. I I got wi-fi. I got I got ice cream right ice cream now But I can go get some more ice cream. I've got cable. I've got all these streaming Things that are cost me at the wazoo But the tribulation ain't so bad and then he said well, it's bad in places like china So then all you have to do to escape the tribulation has just come to america And so How would you respond to someone who says that we are either in the tribulation or we are in the or we are currently like Amalena's we are in the millennium It's a great question. I think Paul does exactly that in second Thessalonians because in first Thessalonians chapter 4 He describes this the hope of the rapture this catching up Of living saints to be with those who had already died Where christ comes in the clouds, but doesn't come to the earth So he's not fulfilling the other prophecies of him coming to the earth and every eye sees this is different Then in chapter 5 of first Thessalonians Yeah, yeah, uh first as soon as chapter 5 He talks about the day of the lord and the tribulation and severity Well, then a few months later. He writes to the same church second Thessalonians And he explains them you're not in the day of the lord because these other events have to come first So I would encourage a brother or sister who are feeling like they're in the tribulation I would say, you know read second Thessalonians because Paul is directly dealing with that issue And he explains that these things have to happen first In order for the day of the lord to begin and namely It's the the parting of the church if the tribulation has happened You know the the parting of the church and the restrainer being removed In chapter 2 Uh and and the man of lawlessness being revealed these things all happen before the tribulation or the day of the lord begins So I would say who's this man of lawlessness um And then I would also say if if any of jesus believers are on this planet Tribulation hasn't begun yet because of what paul says in chapter 2 of second Thessalonians Well the response that that that I was given and we didn't get a chance to kind of to to flesh it out very much was in revelation Uh, let's pull it revelation 1 9 And and I said well wait a second I think you're you're you're you're going too far with this you're you misunderstand But I want to give this give this to you to read He says I john your brother and partner in the tribulation And the kingdom and the and the patient endurance that are in jesus. I just stopped right there And so his point was that because it says I john your partner in the tribulation That he stated that that the tribulation I already of course that's a pretty long tribulation Yeah, we're still in it. Yeah. Yeah, well, it's a couple thousands, but again numbers don't mean anything right? No, no So think about it this way When you see the word salvation You have to say salvation from what right the word means deliverance from different things same thing of tribulation We see it in english and we attach theological baggage to it But the greek word flips us is just it can be any difficulty, right? So we have to say what difficulties he's talking about notice in matthew 24 Jesus will talk about the great tribulation and he says there's nothing like it before and nothing like it after It's so severe. So he's talking about a very specific Uh, uh tribulation not not just tribulation in general We find there's all kinds of tribulation and we are undergoing tribulation and persecution and and difficulty And as I see rashon's question there if I may answer john is is definitely not saying he was in the tribulation and I I'll give you a proof here in a second what he's saying is that the church is in tribulation In general difficulty persecution peter writes about that But the tribulation the prophesied jacob's trouble that seven years Uh john tells us in the first chapter He's told to write the things you have seen The things that are and the things that will take place after these things Well notice then you have the churches in chapters two and three and then notice four verse one How does he begin that very next section after these things? Uh so He's he's seeing the after after this I I looked and so You have the church and then the after this the next step John is writing laying out. Here's this church age. We're writing in the church age and then after that In chapters four through nineteen comes what we would refer to as the definite article tribulation John wasn't in it when he's writing because he's he's seeing these things are going to happen in the future Yeah, I I think the danger of it is Of course a good part of it is if we're believers I don't we're not going to be in it But the danger of it is is uh, not so much what would happen here, but it although there are those that would be in it There's a danger in thinking that that that one that this is as bad as it gets And so, you know, it no harm no foul. It's not it's not too bad I can deal with this and if I don't make it to heaven, uh, well If this is as bad as as is going to get then hell can't be too bad I would always say In response to what is his name? Um, what's the guy the bible project guy's name who kind of minimizes?  And so how do we know that Jesus is even going to? Keep us as being said How do we know to trust anything that he says because we can be like like maybe the pentecostal or charismatic person who Will certainly spiritualize a text and no, this is not really what it meant It really means this and we got a certain this this deeper meaning that is always subject to our own feelings And so I think that's that's that's a huge problem for me And and and those who are saying even though that we're in the matter of fact, let me ask you this question I'll let you answer this question This amillennial view. How do you respond to these people's amillennial views? So amillennialism is basically saying there's no literal kingdom It's just a spiritual kingdom that jesus installed the problem is Jesus came presenting his whole message until he was rejected in matthew 12 was the gospel of the kingdom He's presenting himself as the king Offering the kingdom the kingdom is is is near because the king had come And they rejected him and he left right he ascended And he is sitting at the right hand of the father one day will return Chapter 19 of revelation in chapter 20. He sits on the throne of david at jerusalem and that kingdom begins The amillennial view looks for a spiritual kingdom And it says that the church is installing this spiritual kingdom And I would just challenge one passage anywhere in scripture to identify a kingdom in our hearts or a spiritual kingdom And there's a verse in matthew 13 that some use when jesus is saying as he's explaining his parables He says i'm telling you it's it's granted for you to know the mysteries of the kingdom But for them it's not and some say from that. Oh, there's a mystery form of the kingdom a spiritual kingdom That's not what the word mystery means and jesus doesn't say it's a mystery form He says i'm telling you the mystery things previously not revealed. I'm now revealing. It's an actual literal kingdom So the amillennial approach Spiritualizes the kingdom of god and if it makes that promise spiritual I would say exactly what you said a few minutes ago quarry if God says hey, i'm going to have this kingdom. Jesus is going to be on the throne of david But he doesn't really mean it. It's going to be spiritual. Then what about your eternal life What about I will never leave you or forsake you. What about i'm going to sanctify you all these things He doesn't really mean it. He can change the meaning If he wants to and god doesn't operate that way so amillennialism Is a spiritualizing a very clear promises that god makes about a literal physical kingdom where god changes his address The father and the son come from heaven to earth And they never leave So let me ask you this our art I don't know this because you know, they're dependent upon what group you in someone always has a Some sort of aberrant view in every theological system But do you know of any amillennialists who don't think that satan is bound? Uh, do you mean like right now? Yeah, do they all believe have you heard of one ever saying that he's not bound right now? you know That isn't that a real problem I haven't heard this addressed really well. You've presented a big problem with that that approach in an amillennial view essentially satan would be bound which means Uh, he's not he's bound now and he's not able to do his worst. Well That's not what paul talks about. You know, that's not what peter talks about. You're roaring roaring lion, right? Yeah, see this devout it just doesn't add up Yeah, that's the part that so if we're in the tribulation it ain't so bad and if we're in the millennium Well, then uh, someone needs to tell paul someone needs to tell jesus since jesus tells paul I mean peter that That the devil that satan desires to sit them like we well win so um, I it just again, I I think is as you said maybe out of tradition too because all my life Even before I was a christian I have heard of us being a you know, we're a new covenant church and this is the new covenant and so forth um again and now I have a little goofy analogy and it's it's goofy It's his father who has two sons one was adopted one was naturally born the natural born son He made a promise to him if you get good grades a's and b's I will pay for you to go to college You know where you want to and he doesn't he gets all C's Uh, but then he says, you know, I tell you what just graduate I got a new promise just graduate and I'll pay for you to go to college But he adopts a son also Who he makes no promise and he says I am going to Pay for your college just because I love you so much and when they both graduate they graduate at the same time They both have their college paid for Though there were two separate promises the same father out of the same account Renders what he's going to do for both of them. And so just because you weren't Because my father didn't say I had to get all a's and b's to go to college. I'm not bothered by that But but let me ask you this Do you think that part of the problem is that I think we've talked about this before in in the class is that It seems like the forgotten the forgotten covenant is the Davidic covenant Do you think a healthier understanding of that would would eliminate a lot of this? Definitely, um, and I got to go back and say I love I love your your uh, your your little Analogy there. I don't think it's goofy at all. I think it's perfect second thing along that line is would you please adopt my kids? I love I love I'm gonna steal that if you don't mind I'll credit you of course The covenants are god-making promises unconditional promises to specific individuals In in genesis nine he makes a covenant through noah with every living thing on the face of the earth So it's that covenant with everyone universally Then in chapter 12 he makes a covenant with abraham and he Uh, he pays for it if you will in in chapter 15 through 17 Then he makes a covenant with uh with david in second samuel seven It's a specific covenant with a specific person god makes a promise. I'm going to do this and and I think it's in psalm 89 It's actually called a covenant Then god makes this new covenant in jeremiah 31 with israel and judo. So these are literal promises and in each case God is signing himself to an agreement that's it's all on him. There's no other There's no if you do this now the mosaic covenant is is is that kind of agreement if you do this I will do this if you don't do this. I will do this right but these other promises including david a covenant are Are unconditional and god promised that he would make david a house and that The throne of david's king would last forever and he'd have an eternal descendant on the throne There has to be a literal throne And uh, and that's why jesus is called the root of david Because he is that fulfillment And right now he's not sitting on the throne. He's sitting at the right hand of the father Waiting to be revealed in glory when he will sit on the throne. Okay. So now I know you we've got to get you out Of here in about 10 minutes. I want to get a couple of these questions in uh, rachel asks is can you explain the difference between This is a good one between primary application of a text and a second application secondary Rachel is brilliant to recognize that there is a difference. I appreciate that so These may not be the best terms, but these are the terms I like to use So when you read a passage There's a meaning in the passage and that meaning doesn't change right the nouns and verbs are what they are The the writer wrote something communicated clearly what it means. So we know what it means The question then is well now, what do I do with it? well The passage was written to someone else initially right Uh, you know, I like to use the example of jesus telling the two disciples go to the next town Get the cult of a donkey and bring it back Well, so jesus said these words using mountain verbs These two guys go do what he said and they bring the donkey back I've never gone to the next town and got the cult of a donkey, right? In other words, I recognize that he's communicating to an original audience And what they were supposed to do with that communication is what I call primary application They're the primary audience and they're supposed to put it into application Right, but then here we are a couple thousand years In some cases longer than that. We're reading this passage much later And we're not the original audience. Paul wrote First Thessalonians to the believers at Thessalonica, you know, he wrote to the romans in first century Rome So now we're reading these letters two thousand years later And we draw a secondary application recognizing those people had the first application He's writing directly to them now. I draw principles from it and and I need to apply it properly All god's word is useful so that we can be adequate equipped for every good work We just have to use his word correctly and that means understanding it I think the difference between what god intended the original audience to do and then what he intended the later audiences To do with the text. I hope that makes sense that makes sense except for one thing I will disagree with you on one on one thing. I cool text to be to be applied Uh in my own current application And so I think we all ought to go to the next town or this town and get you a cult. That's what I think you know I have restrained myself brother as I've seen the cults paraphernalia there and I've decided I'm gonna I'm gonna Be a good brother and not like beat you overhead with stars or anything like that But then again, you you guys have won something since the last time we did Yeah, listen the last time the cowboys won something we didn't have the internet And so I know it's pathetic and I remember it Here's one She says, uh, where would an israeli jew who has been saved by christ fit into this Uh fit in into this end narrative Perfect. Okay. Think of roman's chapter four Romans chapter four describes three different kinds of descendants of abray Okay, there's the the descendant according to the flesh That's just the the jewish person who doesn't believe Okay, then there's the person who's not according to the flesh and they're a descendant of abraham by faith only That would be a gentile believer and then there are those who are Both descended from the faith and the flesh of abraham Those are jewish believers. So three groups of people unbelieving jew believing gentile Believing jew What paul explains is that the believing gentile and the believing jew both have the same salvation Both have the same spiritual access to god same relationship with god The believing jew also has the covenant promises of that That national kingdom And so in the end game Israel has this kingdom with the messiah ruling over the kingdom But even in god's grace he allows Gentile believers to rule as part of that Even though not we're not israel. We're we're still ruling with them So we still get to play in the same sandbox in the future. Does that answer the question? I think so but Okay, when when will the new covenant start? The the moment jesus returns Zechariah 10 through 12 describes that that they'll they'll cry out for their messiah who they pierced The whole nation will believe paul puts it as all israel will be saved And then we also see in revelation 19 jesus returns with all his saints Jeremiah 31 tells us that they'll all believe from the least of the greatest When those things happen and they all happen at the same time That's when the new covenant is is fulfilled. Okay Chest chimp asks the church age saints are judged At the judgment seat of christ unbelievers are judged at the great white throne judgment. Where are tribulation saints judged? Well, i'm not so sure I would say that only unbelievers are judged at the great white throne judgment because at that judgment The the books are open and there's judgments for all unbelievers are judged according to their deeds and in god's Justice he allows them to go through the judgment Based on their deeds and if their deeds are righteous, which is impossible without faith then They would be in the book of life. Well, they're not so they they've kind of earned their way if you will But when we look at for example first corinthians 3 and we see this judgment For believers based on deeds for rewards not for not for position, but for rewards We're not told when that happens that could be each individual believer Going before the lord At the time they meet him Or it could be at that white throne judgment. We call it the beam of seat. It's different because it's the seat for rewards But the bible doesn't answer your question specifically So I would say it's any of these possibilities or something else Okay Maybe two more questions. Uh, what is the difference between millennialism and post millennialism? Great question. So the the term millennial is referring to the kingdom. Okay, so just think of On any of these terms the kingdom at the center. Okay millennialism is where the kingdom happens Premillennialism means jesus returns pre millennial before the kingdom. He returns before the kingdom installs the kingdom post millennialism refers to jesus coming back after the kingdom Okay, in other words the church installs the kingdom on earth and then jesus returns to a victoria's church By the way, historically the roman catholic church has been post millennial Trying to establish the kingdom on earth. Also, by the way, islam is post millennial Trying to establish the kingdom of allah on earth. Okay Uh Amillennialism says there is no actual literal kingdom on earth. It's just spiritual and so The church has established that There is a spiritual kingdom going on and jesus will return whenever he wants to The the bible interpreted in normative literal grammatical historical way Uh, you will end up as a pre millennialist and even the post millennialists and all millennists will say that If you use a normal grammatical Little grammatical historical hermene you'll end up pre millennial, but they'll say you don't want to end up pre millennial So you don't want to use that hermeneut I'm saying that that is it it's funny to hear someone say that but they do keep saying that Yeah, it's you know berkhoff and his great theology the reformed thinkers These are great men of god who love the lord but who get it wrong because they let their experience dictate their theology Yeah, um somebody. Oh, she said okay. She said when are you having dr. Cohn back? Do y'all know how hard it was to get him here? I wouldn't know I'd love to have him back as often as he wants to come But uh, dr. Listen guys dr. Cohn is very busy as a matter of fact. What is the name of the channel? You were on there. Maybe about six seven eight nine. Maybe 10 videos Um Oh lord, what is the name of this channel you you uh, you spoke with maybe three or four other men Um, I want to find the name of the channel. Uh, they they uh There's a moderator And it's you and maybe two or three other people speaking about one about hermeneutics about Dispensationalism and things like that Ah, I cannot find the name. I can't I can't guys I'll find it. I'll put in the link Um so that you can go because the problem is there's not a lot of dr. Cohn on youtube where where it should be so But um, that's really on him. I wish I wish you I wish you would have more Uh, and I anytime dr. Cohn that you want to come on. I am I'll push everything aside Unless well, yeah, no matter what it is unless unless something has happened to me Unless god or the government is coming to get me then i'm ready for it. So hopefully the cults are playing as I Is that understandable? Yeah Let me tell your audience today Let me tell your audience. I i'm so appreciative of quarry Getting to know My brother in a in a very difficult context and seeing his steadfastness and faith It It may be fun for him to have me on it's a joy for me to be able to share this time with you It is uh, it is awesome And so I'm I'm totally in Anytime I'd love to have the conversation and thankful for thankful for your uh being able to Let me uh, let me talk with you for a while. I'm almost ready to cry because again, you guys just don't know This was two thousand when I first met dr. Cohn 2012 as a matter of fact, uh chaplain you remember chaplain gobel, right? Oh, yeah Yep, uh when I say a good man. I got a good man. He had he had someone's calling me He uh had a what is it? ALS Yep, uh, he ended up passing But this was a godly man who who just loved the lord and wanted to see the inmates in prison Have all the information of all the possibilities that people outside of the bars outside of prison could have and to That that connection There are people they're still at that particular prison and those who have gone to other prison Who have been blessed by dr. Cohn and and and and at the time 10 dale seminary And by chaplain gobel as well And so just just to be here my y'all y'all can't tell But i'm i'm feeling some kind of way on the inside because I know where I used to be and where I am now And I sit and be able to have this conversation now Uh, it's just god is good because because again guys By law or not by law, but according to that judge, uh, some something 10 years ago. I should still be in prison But I do know this though that whether you are Uh dispensational whether you are Armenian or Calvinist whether you are Baptist method, whatever If you've got faith in christ if you've got christ That's the main thing that's the that's the first thing guys And then after that we want to not only know him, but we want to know him We're not saved by what we know we're saved by who we know But what we know about who has saved us brings us closer. So that's the importance of Learning how to read your bible read it look for reasons to be wrong Find search out reasons to be wrong because then you have a brand new thing that you just learned in the scriptures. And so Dr. Cohn, I want to thank you so much This has been a joy I know there's a bunch of brothers from prison who I who I spoke out who I spoke to who may have been at work See, I can't wait to catch it Uh one who's actually still going through 10 down he happens He was he's sending me some of your books Anyway, they hadn't got here too. So so gino if you hear this message I'm still waiting on the books. I think you said you're gonna send to me but uh I don't know if you remember this this crazy guy rodney who was He's gonna I'm sure he's listening right now.  Um, by the way, we have a we have a term for you That we had in prison When everyone someone starts reading the bible, we would always say did you cone that thing? Did you cone it? I Mean listen, don't just say anything show us the scriptures. Show us where the cone that thing. So That's one of the greatest honors of my life. No joke. That is that is super cool Yeah, so listen, I want to I want to thank you again. I know you have to get going. Uh guys He is incredibly busy and so I don't want to hold you up, but I thank you so much brother cone Amen until next time. Amen Uh, so guys now what we are going to do This evening, we're not going to have the bible study the regular bible study Uh, we'll just move back to next week because I want to cover something Uh in regards to the conversation that I had before and remember it does not matter Well, I said I take it back. It does matter what your hermeneutic is Um, it's not going to be a reason for us to hate each other or to be mad at each other or this guy now someone even went out and said that This heresy that I'm preaching on teaching. Um, I should be I should sit down. I should get off youtube and and No, and that particular person I won't say his name, but I invited him to come on To talk to me and he wouldn't Uh, and so this afternoon I'm going to cover some of the things that has been said By some people I'll try I'll I'll try to be nice. I'll try to be nice But I want to be firm on this one I want to show the foolishness and I do mean the foolishness and the the idiocy Of some of the statements that were brought out Uh, don't I don't dislike the press. They love the brother. Love them to death praying for him and and and and his youtube ministry and so forth but, uh Things you said were just off And we didn't really have a it wasn't the we didn't have it to where we could kind of just Bowled down the alley that I wanted to go to Uh, and I get it because of time But some of the things need to be addressed again, so When you say things like we are in the millennium And you say things like we are also in the tribulation. Well, first of all, those two can't be But again, if this is if this is tribulation Not a tribulation Understand how understand how these words are used guys. There's always tribulation There is all no no, uh, no, he doesn't um No, he doesn't have his own youtube channel. He has it, but he I don't think he's actually contributed to it in forever. So But uh, but it's still up there And I think there's there's there's maybe seven ten maybe some of that area Number of videos so you can go check those out there and they're they're good. They're still timeless but I want to address some of those things and kind of go down Why that can't be true and why? Not necessarily what I'm saying is true but The hermeneutical approach that I'm taking is the preferred because if you can't be consistent then all you have is an opinion If if what you say today isn't the same way that you say it tomorrow Then we got an issue Now I can be wrong While using the correct hermeneutics. That's not Having a dispensational of grammatical literal historical hermeneut does not mean that I'm going to get everything right That's not what that means But it helps me it kind of guides me in being consistent when I look at the scriptures And that's all I want to do And I can say you know what I think I might be wrong here. I think I might be right there I think he's right. I think she's right. That that's the only goal because it's not about who's right. It's what's right And there is no person No person on the planet Who's got it all right not myself not dr. Cone one person that we know of it had it all right And that was Jesus paul didn't have it all right Peter didn't have it all right now and how they were inspired to write and what they wrote that was all right But we don't have all of peter's writings and we don't have all of paul's right It's not like that the only time paul ever wrote was those letters in the gospel I mean those letters in the in the new testament. No, we don't have all of their writings But those that inspired excuse me Those are perfect. Those are right and so Since since I'm never always I'm not always right Um, someone says core you you just want to be right. Well By a show of hands or or what have you? Who out there doesn't want to be right? Name the person who wants to be wrong from time to time who wants to be wrong all the time I want to be right. You know what if I could push a button and be right all the time I push that button If I can push the button and never be wrong. I push that button Now because I speak in such a way If I give off I apologize if I give off the appearance that I don't want to be wrong I don't want to be wrong But I'm also not going to apologize for me not just accepting what you say without backing it up scriptually I think we should all be that way and paul commends the barines for being just like that. Mrs. Paul. We're talking about Jay the best way to contact me is smart christian channel at gmail Pretty soon. It'll be quarry minor at smart christian channel But I mean smart christians that's going to be happening. I don't know how Should have happened. It should have happened a week or so ago, but we're behind uh Which which which verse you're talking about uh chest jam who who's who's uh nitpicking uh or not nitpicking who's uh picking and choosing bits and pieces of her I want to know I will I'll point the person out to him. I want to know I want to know I'm just kidding but uh Yep getting our own site. We it's already it's already paid for so to speak We just got to make this thing go live and make it look nice and make it look neat And what we're going to do by the way, it is going to be I'll let you know what it's going to be at smart christians dot org With an s as a matter of fact, let me just also say this the name of the channel is changing Yep, the name of the channel is changing from smart christian channel The smart christians channel So so and the reason is Is because I don't want anyone to think that hey this guy thinks he's a smart christian. No, that's that's it's not me That being that I'm being pointed to it's all of us and how we ought to be because again, I want to have videos and teachings and lessons and writings from other people And so you'll see when the channel the channel when the website comes up that We'll have things from other people so possibly link into some of some of the teachings that dr. Cohn has and other people And I also wanted to be to where there are people who don't have the same doctoral view But they make a good case for themselves even though I I may disagree So let's say we're talking about I don't know tongues I'm just throwing tongues and the person makes a good argument Well, we'll have that on there And then we'll have someone else's view and someone else. It won't just be just my view First of all, that would be entirely too much time on my part to do all that. So so yeah, that that's what's happening Me too. I want I want to be accurate as well And I'm not always accurate. I'm not always accurate. I strive to be I try to be so Anyway, let's see. What do you say? Oh, okay. Cheshire. You're having a conversation with someone else. So anyway guys, I want to thank you so much I want to thank you for being here Guys, I again go to uh, dr. Cohn's site He's got first one's got a lot of great resources. He really does even articles that are talking about certain Uh, certain topics that you may have interest in You'll also find some videos. You'll also find some books and so forth And so I would say go if nothing else buy the uh, the concise Can you see this concise? Bible survey also There's there's a book he has called prologamana. I think that is very worthwhile read a very very worthwhile read So anyway guys, I look forward to talking to you guys later. We will be back on again This afternoon discussing a lot of the same stuff. So anyway, you guys be blessed until I guess in this case a couple more hours Stay blessed. Amen