If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go. Mind pump. Mind pump. With your hosts, Sal DeStefano, Adam Schaefer, and Justin Andrews. In this episode of Mind Pump, for the first 54 minutes, we do our introductory conversation. We start out by talking about the documentary on Herbalife. Bedding on Zero, I had no idea they were that big of a company. I knew they were big. I didn't know they were that big. They are hustlin', behemoth hustlers. I didn't realize they were the 80s. How crazy is that that when we were in 15 years ago, I don't remember. Over 30 years, this company's been around for a very long time.  That put us on a multi-level marketing rant. Then we talked about regulation and the fitness industry. We talked about Tesla's closed system, 3D printed guns. That's going to be kind of crazy. That's happening right now. The changes in the way we consume and our favorite life aid drinks. I like party aid and life aid. I think Adam likes life aid and fit aid. I like to promote my life with life aid. And Justin likes them all. If you text Mind Pump to 474747. You can claim two cans of any of the drinks from the life aid family for 99 cents. What? Safeway does it two for five dollars. What a rip-off. Yeah, this is a great deal. Then we talked about the most commonly used Organifi products that we like to use. I like to use the green juice quite a bit. Adam is using a lot of the protein. Justin is using the probiotics.  And then we talked about Justin's hungry dog. He's learned a few things from his master. I don't know what he's up to these days. Then we get into the questions. The first question was, this person is a truck driver, drives the night shift four nights a week. What are some easy meals and snacks to take on the road that are healthy? And also, what kind of movements can he do to prevent the pain he's feeling in his neck and back? We did talk a lot about math performance in that part of this episode. Math performance, 50% off. Use the code green50. That's green50 for half off at mindpumpmedia.com. The next question was, would using machines for heavy ab work be effective for working your abs? We talk all about building the abs and getting a six-pack in this part of the episode. The next question was, we mess with Justin a lot on how he's addicted to cheese. Not money, actual cheese. He just eats a lot of it. Is cheese healthy? Can it ever be healthy, especially if it's raw, unpasteurized, grass-fed? Say it so! It actually can be quite healthy for a lot of people, so find out how in that part of this episode. And the last question, a very important question. This is one that has been plaguing fitness professionals for decades. How do I stop hitting my ball sack when I do barbell shrubs? This is a problem. Such a good question. Such a good question. Such a good question. Also, I've mentioned it a couple times.  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So you go from Maths Enabolic to Maths Performance to Maths Aesthetic. You've got Maths Anywhere. You've got Maths Prime in there. That's the most popular bundle. You can find that bundle and the other bundles and the 50% off Maths Performance with the code green 50 at mindpumpmedia.com. Contractors. He's one of them. What does he do for us, Doug? He helps us with our site, our website. He's building out pages. Yeah, he does some of the back-end work. He did the original work on most of our stuff at the beginning. Yeah, he was the original editor on their YouTube when we first started. Yeah. No, not him. He wasn't the editor on YouTube. He's got Ukraine. So all the exercise videos. Nothing to do with the exercise videos.  The actual website? Well, we utilized Kajabi. So when we first started, we were on WordPress. Okay. And he helped me with that. Okay. Then we moved over to the old Kajabi platform. Then we moved on over to the new Kajabi platform. For the listeners, what do you think, where we're at now, where we've grown to, knowing how we started, what is your thoughts on Kajabi and WordPress? And if you could go back and do everything all over again, would you have built it on that platform? WordPress was a good place to start, but there was a lot of bugs. Is that because it's pretty easy to plug and play? Yes. It's easy. There's a lot of plugins you can use. And it's cheap. Very cheap to get started. So when we got started, we had everything we needed, but then we started to face this challenge, which was we're getting all these different types of malware and things like that. I remember that.  That actually happened. That actually happened, yeah. That was before Mime Pump. That was before we started Mime Pump, wasn't it, Doug? That was the MapSanabalic site. That was WordPress, right? That was WordPress. Now there's other platforms now you can get on that has security built into it, so you can do WordPress without these type of issues. But we wanted to upgrade what we were doing, so we moved over to Kajabi. And then Kajabi was just basically a back-end site for hosting our programs, which was MapSanabalic and Nobias Sixpack at the time. And then Kajabi expanded their offering. They came out with what's called New Kajabi, and that's the platform we're on now. It's a good platform. There's a lot of things I like about it, but there's some functionality that's missing as well. I'm sure everybody who's been on our sites and used our programs knows that there's some things that we could improve on. For example, say you want to purchase multiple things at once off of our website. You want to put it all in a cart and then purchase all at once. It doesn't allow you to do that. So that's a major flaw of it. But they know about it and they're working on it. Well, looking back now, we have a lot of people that listen to the show that are now getting into podcasting or have e-commerce businesses. What do you think about it as a whole? And if you could go back and do it again, would you still do Kajabi? Knowing what we are dealing with with Casey right now too. Yeah, it's hard to say because a lot of it was financially motivated initially. We had to have a platform that was affordable. There's better platforms in a lot of ways out there, like HubSpot could probably be a platform we could use, but it's far more expensive. So now that we're growing and we have more resources, soon we'll be looking at other options. But for somebody starting out, that was probably a very good way to start. That's what I'm wondering. So would HubSpot be kind of an overkill for the average person getting started? Somebody getting started. I think the first thing anybody who's getting started needs to do is prove their concept. You've got to get some profitability. Otherwise, you can throw a lot of money at a business, which reminds me of what you guys were just listening to. It's almost like Shopify would be the way I would suggest like really getting started if you're going to do e-commerce. Well, if you're doing e-commerce. Super easy. The challenge we had with something like Shopify is we have a digital product. Yeah, we have membership sites. Totally different. Yeah. And so we needed something that would handle that. And there wasn't really a lot out there made for the average consumer kind of plug and play, just get started for a relatively reasonable cost. It's a rapidly evolving market, rapidly evolving. I mean, being able to have digital products, to have e-commerce, people stepping into the market and creating their own businesses. We take for granted how new it is. It really is a very new kind of thing where we started with minimal budget, just a lot of experience, and we created what we've created and you can see the direction we're going. It's what I love most about technology. There's places where you start and there's places where you can evolve to. But what's most important for me when I look at it as a whole is are the barriers low enough to where somebody who has a good idea and a good concept and who's willing to work hard has less barriers, less barriers to be able to step in and create a business. I feel like you sound like one of those Herbalife chairmen right now.  What's the name of that documentary, by the way? It was called... Something about 00. God, what was it? I don't know. Look it up right now. I had it on my phone. Just give me a second. But it was... This was a documentary on... So many people had been telling me to watch this so they could hear his comment.  Alternative marketing. Yeah, whatever you want to call it. All the same difference. I literally... They've been that since... I didn't know they were around since the 80s. They've been around for a long time. They're an old company. And so I never had any interest. Betting on zero. Betting on zero. Really good documentary though. I thought they did a really good job of sharing both sides. You know, here's the thing too because as I'm watching it, I'm definitely empathetic to the people that entered into... By the way, they're not the only multi-level marketing business. Are you really empathetic? I'm not so empathetic. Well, no. I'm empathetic in this sense right here.  People are going in. They have this dream. They think they're going to do all this great stuff. They're not necessarily being lied to although they did get... Herbalife did get struck down by the FTC for deceitful practices or whatever.  Here's the deal. You're going to go in into a multi-level marketing business and the only way to make money is to get other people to buy in on the multi-level marketing product. The products themselves don't really make... Products don't make any of them money. No. Most of the sales come from... That's the hilarious part. It's like you're selling somebody else on a dream to make money and then that person has to sell everybody else on the dream to make money. That money they're selling the dream is what's funding everybody ahead of you.  But I have so much... It's so shitty. I have so much respect for the guys that built it and made it into what it... Hey! Numpfucking top paid CEO. He was like 90 million. In 2011. Fuck! Yeah, 90 million dollars. That's crazy. Making more than the tech giants. Well, it was extremely profitable. This was a... What was it? A $4.7 billion company? Yeah. I mean, it was gigantic. It was massive. Yeah. And the supplements are...  You know, they're not good. They're expensive. And that's not how they were making their money. They were definitely selling a lot of supplements, but the way they were selling them was if I want to be a quote-unquote distributor, then I need to buy three or $5,000 with the product. Right. Or more to try... And then I have all this inventory. And that's how they were selling the product. It wasn't people lining up to buy Herbalife supplements because they're so good or whatever. It was because people were... You're gonna make so much more money if you spend more money. Hey, here's the... That was my favorite quote. That was the best line ever right there. That was the best line. Hey, here's the deal, though. It's not that much different than all the other supplements out there on the market either. Oh, yeah. You can't fault them for coming up with... Or any other business for that matter. Right. You can't fault them for coming up with a better business plan. Now, I think you're silly if you're out there trying to do it, but that's what's beautiful about America. You know what I'm saying? You have this ability to do that. Now, where I had... I didn't feel for the victims like you were saying or I didn't have any empathy for them because it's like here, at the end of the day, there is a percentage of people that do make millions of dollars doing it. It's just very small. Yeah, it's just very... It's 1%. It's 1% of them or make the president's club, right? And then there's millions of people that try and do it. Well, that's your bad. You know what I'm saying?  Yes, exactly.  Right. It's not any different than opening any other business. A lot of businesses have a lot of risk like opening a restaurant. Like what are your odds of successfully opening and making a profit on a restaurant? What are the actual odds of that? It's actually very small. That'd be an interesting Google. What are the odds on... Yeah, we should Google that because I know it's difficult. It's under 20. I know that. It'd be probably under 15 or 10. Most businesses fail in the first five years. Most business... Most times people are entrepreneurs.  These are the odds. These are the real odds of entrepreneurship and I think you always need to be honest. If I'm telling somebody about being an entrepreneur, I'm going to be honest to them every single time and tell them, look, you're not going to be profitable for a while. The odds look bad. They look like you're going to fail. However, some people succeed. Here are the traits of the people that tend to succeed. And one of those traits is if they fail, they pivot, they try something different and then they go again. Right. So if I stopped at my first business, if I stopped at my first business, I'd be sitting here talking about how I failed. Well, that's why I like the story of the guy who went to business school. He then starts up the herbal life and he has six stores. The clubs. Yeah, the clubs. He realizes that they're not profiting at all and so he pivots into the vapor game. The vapor lounges.  You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But the irony was all the people that were bitching that they got scammed on this, they lost $3,000 or I lost $8,000.  Yeah, I know a lot of people.  That's on you. You know what it reminds me of? What? It reminds me of... God, what was it? Curves. You guys remember how curves exploded? Yeah. So curves was for the listeners who don't know your curves. In the early 2000s, they really took off and they were these small fitness facilities. They had pneumatic equipment so it's air pressurized equipment. They would set them up in like a circle and they were 30 minute circuits and they advertised towards they were women only, right? And it was for people who felt uncomfortable working out, whatever, come in, use our circuit, get out. You do three workouts a week or whatever and that was the story. And they exploded. They started making a lot of money and so a lot of people entered into that space who had no business in fitness. They don't care about fitness. They didn't know about exercise. All they saw was, oh, I could invest $30,000 open a facility and make my money back in a few months or whatever and then I'm gonna make money and I'll open another one. So you had all these people that own these curves, locations, none of them worked out. None of them knew understood exercise or fitness. So you had this explosion of curves location. It was a matter of time before that crumbled and it's true that they did. They lost a lot of people, lost a lot of money doing it. It reminds me of that. People going into herbal life, they didn't care about the supplements or the fitness or the health. They went in there because they were promised that they were gonna make, it was all about making money. And then the way we're gonna make money is by the way, we're gonna sell nutrition supplements. And this is an old game, man. It doesn't just exist in that space. I grew up watching this, man. It's a really... Have you guys ever been approached? Amway, all these types of businesses. It's a really sad story and it used to trigger me when someone talked to me because of what... And just because obviously it's my own shit, right?  That's what... My family was trying that and every time it was, oh, invest 1500, you get the packet, we train you, we show you this, this and you can make millions. And it was one after another. And I remember even when I got older I moved out and was doing my own thing. My stepfather, every time he was on to a new one, he would reach out to me, especially as I got into fitness and health and then he started doing the bars, the drinks. Oh, he did them all. He did them all. Literally, you name one, my dad has done this and I remember being in my early 20s and my dad coming to me with it and it was the first real hard conversation because before I just kind of let it roll off. Oh yeah, best of luck, dad type of deal. But then it got to a point where I was like, hey, listen, I don't want anything to do with these things unless you and I start one. Because that's the motherfuckers that make all the money. Like if you come up with the hustle and you do that, then there's money to be made in it. But if you're getting in at the bottom of it, you're just giving some of your money away. Yeah, yeah. I've been approached so many times for MLM type businesses and I think it's because people say, oh, you're a good salesperson or you like to communicate. But what always used to make me mad is they would never say that that's what they were. It was always like, hey, let's hang out. Let me take you out to lunch. Yeah, yeah. You know, oh, I have this opportunity. It's always an opportunity. And then they would very slowly start to present what they were presenting. And I would always have to say something like, is this MLM? Is this multi-level marketing? Yeah.  No, no, no, the response to that is, isn't everything? Yeah. Like if you're good, if you've been closed hard enough on MLM, you're like, your response that they teach you to say is like, well, technically, everything's about your boss's boss's boss. You work for him. He works for him. He works for him. You make money that in turn makes him make money. So when you look at all business models, they're all MLMs. I don't know what their tree exists that leads with, I'm going to make you so much money versus like banking off of the quality of their product. Yeah.  Yeah, you have to be skeptical. And you know what reminds me of, and these aren't MLMs, okay? But what reminds me of the same feeling around MLMs that's happening a lot right now, especially in the social media space. Yeah. Masterminds. Oh, you're going to go there. Yep. Of the new MLM? They're not multi-level marketing, although I wonder if some of them are structured that way. So I do question. Probably the more successful ones are. I do question whether or not they're structured in an MLM fashion. But the feeling and vibe around them where you create some kind of a social media following and then you create this way to teach others how to do the same thing. And really what they're doing is they're teaching them how to make their own masterminds. This is the formula. So in a sense it's like MLM where it's like I wrote a book on how to make money and the book I'm writing teaches you how to write a book to make money. So like everybody reads that book then writes their own book on how to make money by writing a book. Well, it's literally the formula of how they got successful but that doesn't apply to everybody. No, it's... I'm going to teach you how to create your own mastermind and then that person leaves and then they create their own mastermind to teach other people how to make their own mastermind. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that that is a bubble that is going to fall. Yeah, when you have enough people that are like I was a part of all these masterminds and I didn't get anything out of it. Those bubbles pop. But yeah, that's what I would... I think for sure that's what's going to happen with the masterminds. Oh, it's huge. It's popular. Right now when you think about it social media has caused this now. That's what it is. We have this ability to put out our best foot forward on these platforms to make people believe that everything is so perfect in my life. I'm so successful. I'm driving this badass whip. I'm shipping all this stuff out every day. It's all the same old hustles on a new platform. Right.  Dude, the commercials I used to watch, late night TV. That's probably a big... I would say that Justin. That's probably a bigger pyramid scheme right now in the fitness space than even the masterminds is the 30-day challenges. Oh, everybody buys into it. Yeah. One person gets paid out. Or doesn't. Maybe. Yeah. Get your sister or your friend. We don't say. Yeah. Anytime they're selling you, anytime someone's selling you on a product based on how much money they made, like, hey, you know, I got this great supplement that's, you know, jug that's on my new Ferrari or how cool I am when this jet, and I got this. I always... That's just gross. Yeah, the slime factor always makes me go, ugh, you know? And maybe some of them are legit, but I've seen so many of them that aren't. Yeah, but I tune them out immediately. Yeah, and it's like, come on, dude. You know, if you've got a good product or whatever, then some of your product... Well, the reason why it's not sustainable is because most people that can be duped by that are just young and still learning they don't know any better. Like, I think that... And so, when that person... It's predatory. ...wants to... Exactly. And once that person puts that together, they'll never bite into that again.  You know what I'm saying? Or they'll keep biting. See, some of them keep biting. Yeah. There are some fools out there.  This time is gonna work. I can't argue with that because I watched my stepfather. But here's the thing, too. Like, when I remember watching him and looking back now, you know, I think a lot of it was at a desperation. And that's, you know, like he... That's why it feels predatory. Well, yeah.    But I don't feel bad for those people like they're victims because... Well, they weren't, I mean, I'm sure some of them were lied to, but a lot of them weren't. A lot of them were told, this is how you make money and I'll go make money.    You know what I'm saying? You ought to do it over and again. It does fall back on the individual. What's that saying, you know? Full me once.   Full me twice.  But you do want it out there, like the education part of it, right? Like here's where it could lead, but most likely here's where it's gonna lead. I don't like fraud.  But if they're not really lying to you and they're saying, well, this is how you can make money and you need to buy $5,000 of our products and get other people under it and then you try it and it doesn't work. You know, I hate to tell you this, but... It's a failed business venture. Yeah, at the end of the day. You didn't make a good decision and now how do you fight that? Do you fight that with laws? No, because they're not, they're not lying necessarily to anybody. The way you fight them is with good information.  You know what you do?  Yeah, you write reviews. That's it. That's what I think. The power of the people, you gotta communicate it. That's right. But a company like Herbalife that reached $4 billion. Obviously some people were making money. Some people were making money. You gotta love though what they were able to do, right?  Oh, David Beckham? Yeah, totally. We're in all the, you're with us. Yeah, dude. Give them credibility. Yeah.  This is why I thought that, we all thought that mine pump would be successful since day one is because there's so much of this within our space. There's a market for the truth. There is. It is. It is the biggest scamming hustle like environment there is. That's why I don't hate because I'm like, well, because of them, it's also provided an opportunity for us. That's true. If everybody was super honest. Right. We wouldn't have a business. No. We wouldn't.  Damn it, Adam.  What's awesome is that we have mediums like this. Now, this would be different, you know, 50, 100 years ago, but, you know, there's accessibility to information for everybody for free. Yeah, that's all new. Well, that's why I think the way you fight it is with information, inform people, get people educated so they can make better decisions on their own. I don't think the way to change the fitness and health and wellness industry is through laws because, A, number one, laws are... Make the laws are... Have been proven time and time again to be extremely corruptible and easily and easy to influence with money. It's not hard. Well, look what we just saw. We were talking while this documentary was going and this whole thing, it's not about, do the supplements work or not work? Are they scamming? It's about two guys. Two millionaires. With egos. Right.  No, I lost in a lawsuit to you like 10 years ago and I'm taking you down now. That's right. That's what that was about. They literally are the ones that had all the power and control of the messaging. You know what I'm saying? They're the ones that are paying all these famous people to say great things. They're paying all these politicians to come out on TV.  That's why you don't want regulation. That's why you don't want somebody... The people regulating are the ones that are in their back pocket. Right. And they're oftentimes, regulations are designed to protect special interests. They're not designed to protect the consumer. They'll sell it to you like... Yeah, I was just saying, they position it that way. That's right. Yeah, they position it like we care about you. They'll sell it to you and it... Look, here's a good example.  Here's a good example. You've never been in church your whole life before you're on there. Here's a good example. Here's a great example, right? So, we're seeing right now... We're both a community. Right now, we're seeing the decimation of... My family are immigrants too. Yeah, I love that part. Back in 1700. Yeah, 15 generations ago. Right now, what we're witnessing right now are the decimation of certain industries because of the decentralization of power and basically because of technology because speaking things much more efficient. And so, you see certain industries that existed primarily because they were protected by laws. They were prevented. There was no competition. Now, competition's in and they're losing and they're losing big time. Taxi companies is a fantastic example. Taxi companies existed primarily in the form that they existed. I'm not talking about people needing rides. I'm talking about the taxi companies themselves in that form existed primarily because there were laws that prevented competition and made it impossible to compete. So, you had this archaic system that lasted way longer than it should and then technology came and regulators couldn't regulate fast enough and now you have Uber and taxi companies are losing tons of money. Now, here's what could happen. The taxi owners, taxi cab company owners are wealthy. Billions of dollars have a lot of money and a lot of power. They're the ones that got the laws passed in the first place to make it impossible to compete against them. So, what are they gonna do?  We're gonna lose tens of thousands of jobs in New York City. All these people spent all this money getting these taxi medallions and now Uber's coming in and it's not fair and these people are killing our jobs and we're immigrants and they're gonna paint this picture and they're gonna say, plus we've got billions of dollars in votes so we want you to help us out. So, here's what the politicians gonna do. They're gonna turn around and say, hey, it's an Uber unfair competition.  Then they'll pass a law that says Uber can't exist or let's subsidize taxi companies to keep them competitive because those poor people have been doing this for generations. And this is the game. I talked about this in a couple episodes ago with farmers and the subsidies for farmers. I pissed off a lot of people. I was wondering if you could go. Oh, wow. I pissed off a lot of people but the bottom line is, look, if you have to tax people to support an industry, that means that that industry is inefficient and that means the market doesn't support it. Now, there's a lot of people in those industries that are paying the price for that and I'm empathetic to it but that's also how humans progress. There's a lot of jobs. 99% of the jobs that existed 100 years ago or whatever don't exist today because of progress. Those people lost their jobs in essence. We had to progress, right?  Is that a bad thing? Well, no, that means everybody kind of has to level up and we have to change the way we approach things. My point with all this is, I don't want regulators coming into the fitness industry and regulating because that'll make it way worse.  You know what I'm gonna do? Not buy it. Well, we're on this regulation cake. What do you think about the video that I showed you guys too with the car guru guy or what's his name? I forgot what his YouTube channel was. That fixes the Tesla. Tesla's? That's interesting. I didn't know that Tesla was doing the same thing, the same model that Apple did that was so brilliant. Yeah, they're a tech company. Which was, we will keep it. What do they call that? Like a closed loop? It's like a closed loop business. Yeah, I mean, they don't even have dealerships, right? Right. That was part of their hustle. Which I don't mind, I think that's a good thing on many different ways, but what they're doing is like, if you have a Tesla and something breaks and you want to fix it yourself, they won't sell you the part. You have to go through them. Right. It's a little grommet. Yeah. Whatever it is. And whatever, and Tesla makes a lot of money this way. And for your car, in order for your Tesla car to work, it has to communicate with Tesla. So in that sense. Yeah, it's their network or nothing. Yeah. So it's like a phone. It's like an Apple. Yeah. So Apple's the perfect example of this. And to me, they were the first company that I'm aware of that did something like this and was really successful on a global level. Like, I don't know anybody else that's like said, listen, we're going to be, we're going to keep our company in this private. No outsourcing. Yeah. Private in versus trying to let everybody else in. And I mean, quite frankly, I think it's brilliant.  If it's not, and if not, then people won't buy into it. But obviously you're buying into it for a reason. If the market supports it, then that means it's working. If it's not working. But you know that people are going to like this, like this YouTube channel. And I know some of the people that are watching and probably the people that shared it with me are pushing for the, the ability for government to step in and say, Hey, this isn't fair. Yeah. They should be able to, you should be able to allow to fix your Tesla. You should be able to go to any, you know, mom, Paul mechanic and they should have access to all the parts. That's silly. That's absolutely silly. If you don't want that, then don't buy that car. Right. Buy a different car. It's weird that they would make that. It's the same thing that we, I look at the, if we were to start to certify trainers and allow them to sell our programs, I wouldn't want someone selling our programs that doesn't know how to teach our programs. I would want to keep in that. I wouldn't just say, ah, open it up to anybody and everybody can, could push it. Cause then that's how people get hurt. Now, now that all being said, okay, I would like to wish Tesla good luck on trying to, to prevent people from hacking and figuring out how to work on like, people know how to do that with Apple phones. There's a lot of tech wizards out there. The future is very decentralized and you're not going to be able to control a lot of things. It's, it's, I mean, it's good. I mean, literally, I behoove them to kind of have, you know, some sort of certifying process with that, right? Like, if there's enough demand there for that, but I, yeah, right now it doesn't seem like too many, this guy's pretty much like a one in a couple million, you know, like out there, like chopping up old Teslas and putting stuff together. Yeah, yeah. I mean, good luck with that. I mean, once 3D printers get really sophisticated, which we're like probably 10, 15 years away from. Oh, didn't you say someone just tried to put a band on the gun? I'll get there. Absolutely. Yeah, you mentioned that. Yeah, yeah. So, you know, we're about 10, 15 years away from really sophisticated, like 3D printer technology, where I'm going to be able to print the parts and make my own. I can take a phone or a technology, you know, and I'll be able to analyze it, print it on myself. If I'm, especially if I'm a smart tech wizard, make it myself and give it to my friends and sell it to my friends and say, hey, here's a phone that's exactly like the Samsung, whatever, or the Apple, whatever, but I'll charge you 10 bucks for it. That's crazy. Patents are going to be meaningless. Patents are literally going to be meaningless. That's already happening. And you know what's funny? You know, I understand why patents exist. I can make an argument that patents encourage the investment of capital. Big, big, big. It encourages innovation. It encourages investments in capital innovation, but at the flip side, it also prevents the democratization of technology and all these other things. Right. I think the decentralization of technology and power and all these things, I think it's going to be a good thing. I think it's going to be harder to be a super trillionaire that owns all the stuff, but it's going to be easier to be, you know, relatively- Yeah, monetizing it is going to look completely different, right? That's why I think like creativity and design and all that is really going to build up in value because you're going to find your unique people that have, you know, different ideas that they could sell the blueprints to. That's right. You can do that kind of angle towards it. That's right. So 3D printed guns was about to happen, but a federal judge blocked the release of 3D gun plans, which I find... How do you block that? I know, dude. It's like trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube. Yeah. Like imagine if the government was like, that's it. We're going to stop illegal file sharing because that's what it is, right? It's a file you're sharing online. Like the entertainment industry is powerful and as big and as connected as they are. Yeah, they lost that war. They couldn't stop that. Right. How are they going to stop 3D printed guns? Well, they did come in and regulate it though. I mean, that's how Napster got taken down, right? They came in and said it's not fair and then they ended up shutting Napster down. Well, what they did, because you could still get free music, you could still get free movies. There was Limewire and there's all these other competing companies. If you wanted to right now, you know, and if you had a little bit of knowledge and had to navigate, do you think you could get movies and music for free still? Yeah. But why don't you? Because the market out-competed the black market for the most part. Right, they made it better for reasonably cheap. Exactly. That's why it was brilliant. That's why things like Spotify, it's like I could go out and try and rip music from somewhere. But it's like why? That takes effort. I pay $9 a month. That's right.  And it's clean. You're not going to get malware. Right, I search it. You make it effortless and like of course we're going to go in that direction. That's right. So it's funny that they're like, we're black, we're going to make it illegal to, you know, to put out the plans for 3D guns. Like it's going to be silly. That's tough, man. Yeah, you're not going to be able to regulate that. I didn't realize how many like, forum members that we had that actually already have 3D printers and stuff. I didn't know that we had that many people that listened to the show that actually have them and have already started using them. I thought that I just assumed that they were... It's far from the technologies, far from like being able to do like all these things you want to do. Well, they're small now too. Imagine when they're like huge and they can like build like massive structures and things. Well, technically 3D printers will be able to print complex, you know... Oh yeah, houses. We've already seen that. Well, no, not just houses, but drugs, medicines. They'll be able to stack molecules on top of each other. They'll be able to print tissues. I don't understand how that's going to work. You'd have to have all the things that go into it in order to create a drug like that, right then, in order for it to work. No, if you know what the molecular structure looks like, you could technically print it. From what, though? Organic building blocks, you know. If you have the organic... You'd have to get the building blocks. That's what I'm saying. That's what you're saying. Yeah, but to create like an opiate, there's certain types of mold that have all the building blocks in them. Or you can combine other things. It's not that hard. I mean, put them even this way. All the most complex things that you know of in the universe, on Earth, that we've made as humans, all came from the same organic building blocks. I heard there's like a lot of DMT in almost every plant. A lot of plants. That methyl tryptamine is in every single, almost every living thing. It's a tryptamine-based molecule. It's a matter of extracting. Yeah. If you knew how, you could take it out of a... Well, won't that become the next big business or thing is to be able to extract all these different molecules to provide to these people that have these blue plants? If they're raw materials, those are raw material business. I'm sure we'll have them. Well, I think the wealth of the future is going to look very different than the wealth of today. Wealth of today is like you need lots of money. It's a little bit more exclusive. The wealth of the future is just access to everything for super cheap or inexpensive. It's kind of... Well, it's kind of like now. Like, for example, the most... The wealthiest person on Earth 500 years ago... Okay, so 500 years ago, the wealthiest king and queen in the world does not have the access of a, you know, somebody in the middle class or lower in America. Like, they didn't have access to the information. They didn't have technology. It didn't exist. Right. So they could have all... They didn't have medicine that we have. So they could have all the money in the world, but if a particular problem was, you know, position in front of them, like if they said, hey, you need to be in this other country in two hours, they couldn't because things didn't exist. To get them there. Right. So the future, the wealth of the future is going to be like that. Like, I don't think you're going to need a lot of money in the future to have access to a lot of different things because things are becoming so inexpensive and democratized and decentralized that in the future, it's not going to mean that much to have, you know what I mean? It's not going to be that big of a deal. It's going to be interesting because you're... Especially without sharing it. I agree with you and I think we're going to find out as a society that it's not all that's cracked up to be to have everything. That's what we're experiencing right now. That's why that episode we did with Bishop Barron, I thought was so... And even Paul Check and some of the other, you know, spiritual, you know, however you want to call them. You know, I think the most intelligent philosophers and spiritual leaders, you know, name the religion, name the practice, they all talk about that.  Well, you always end up worshiping something. It's an empty cup. And the way it works is... Jordan Peterson explained it so brilliantly and it made sense to me finally because I've heard this and I read Carl Jung, what's the book? Undiscovered Self and he talks about how, like, if you eliminate God, beware of the worship of the state, which he predicted, which is actually what happened in the 20th century with communism and fascism. And basically the way it works is every decision you make in your life is based on you deciding something is better than something else. It's a hierarchy. So, like, you wouldn't be able to get dressed if you weren't able to decide something was better. Right, this shirt is better than that shirt. Yeah, or should I take a left or a right when I'm driving? Or should I buy this or that? Or should I say this or that? Right? We're stuck and frozen because we wouldn't understand, we didn't have a value system. At the very top of that value system is our ultimate number one value. It has to be. There's a hierarchy. So, there's always something at the very, very top. So, whether you believe in a higher power or not, you're always worshiping something.  So, what do you say we're the four? Power, wealth, honor, and pleasure. Pleasure. So, and those are the common ones. So, if you don't believe in a higher power like, let's say God, let's say you don't believe in God and you think, okay, well, that's silly. I'm not going to believe in that. Well, you do believe in something. So, maybe it's money. Maybe that's the highest value.  Or maybe it's pleasure.   And I think what's happening now, and Bishop Barron said this, Paul Chek said this, and some of the other people that we've talked to who I think are also just brilliant in philosophy have said this, that look, we're entering an age where people are getting what they've always thought they wanted. Like we have more prosperity. They're getting access to it. People have food and shelter. Even poor people in Western societies have these things. And we're realizing like, this is not what I thought I wanted. It's not the end all. Yeah, and so it's creating this kind of crisis. So, what do you think will become that? Because there'll always be value somewhere, right? What will be of value? Land, right? Because we continue to grow as far as population. Yeah, scarcity there is definitely happening. There's still desirable places to live. We all want to migrate towards cool climates, water, things like that. But do you think owning it or with this new economy just having access to multiple locations throughout the world? Well, you know me. I'm a huge advocate of the VRBO and Airbnb.  I've felt this shift. I don't think I've shared this on a show before, but I've even felt this shift with my own goals and things I want. So, as a young kid growing up, not having a lot, I always wanted these things. I wanted this giant house, right? And as you get bigger and bigger houses and more and more things, you realize the upkeep with all that stuff. It's not what it's cracked up to. It's not what it's cracked up to be. But it doesn't mean that I still don't empty space. It doesn't mean that I still, it doesn't mean I still don't enjoy some of those things, right? I still enjoy that luxury.  Think about that. Like, we're on the road or we're out. It's not that big of a deal, is it? Right. It's not because I'm already in it. You know what I'm saying? It's like, well, the other 14 days I go back to my nice house. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's nice. It's easier to clean. It's not crazy, you know what I'm saying? 10,000 square feet is that 10,000 square feet? No, man. So if we are moving in this direction where that becomes more and more affordable and more accessible to people, you're right, it might not be a big deal. But I think just, I think land in general, not so much a big home, just the space. Land is limited. Right, that's what I mean. There's a limit to that. You can only share so much of that and then you run out of that space. Yeah, I think it's going to be like, just like what we're doing with, like you said, with Airbnb and VRBOs and just lots of sharing of land where if you own land, by the way, you can't do nothing with it. It doesn't do anything for you. So I think it's going to, things are going to be easier and easier for you to use that land to share with others, give them access, and now you're able to, you know, make money off that land or whatever. You're seeing much, you know, much more of that. And I think that's a, I think it's a really, really good thing. But, you know, for me personally, when I think of wealth and what I can do with wealth, it's not about buying things. It really isn't. It's about, can I use this wealth to grow and find more purpose? Traveled kind of does that a little bit. Does it more for me than buying things? That's for sure. Like when I travel, I definitely find more meaning and purpose and growth. Learning things, maybe helping others. I don't know what, you know, whatever floats your boat, but I don't think, I think it's not, it's definitely not all it's cracked up to be living a big, you know, castle with all, like for what?  Is there a service out there that lets you like camp in their property? I wonder. Oh, that'd be, that'd be smart. Wouldn't that be interesting? People with a lot of land. Yeah, a lot of land.  I would not be surprised. It'd be interesting to see what that looks like, liability-wise and stuff, right? If you're on somebody's property, because that's normally the big thing with the sharing and on land and property and the ability.  Right. Which would create, yeah. I love it. I love it. Still, it's just interesting to think about new ways of like utilizing, you know, some things like that. I love it because it's- I know they do that. Actually, they do that. You know, they have, what am I talking about? I know they do that. They do that with like a, you can pay, you can like helicopter into a guy's property that has like a thousand or a hundred thousand acres and you can hunt. You can pay for this- Yeah, they've done that for a while.  So, yeah, that's a bigger example of what you're talking about. No, the most exciting one for me that I thought was really cool is if you travel, like you just mentioned it, Justin, which I love, you could travel to a city and there's apps where you could find regular people who will host dinner in their homes and you'll eat dinner with like four- Authentic. Yeah, like four other strangers and it's homemade and many of these things they'll say, come over and help me cook. I'll have you prep and stuff. They'll teach you. Yeah, so instead of going, like if you're traveling, instead of going to a restaurant, you know, because restaurants are, they're impersonal, right? Like you go to a restaurant and there's lots of people but really it's just you and the person you're with. You don't really talk to lots of people. Sometimes you do, but it's pretty rare.  Could be a great experience in a new city. Yeah, that'd be really fun. But talk about a frightening thing for restaurants. Yeah. Talk about a very scary competition because that could definitely, that could definitely be, you know, it could be interesting. Oh, restaurants, hotels, all of them, that's all getting shook up right now. Oh, hotels are panicking. Yeah. I mean, we could rent. It doesn't even make sense, dude.  Oh, especially if you have a family. As soon as you get beyond two, like Katrina and I still stay in a lot of really nice hotels because we just, Yeah. And not, I mean, I like the, and some of these VRBOs are getting here too. So, Oh, yeah. I say that now, but that might change because the things that I really appreciate when just her and I travel and we go stay at these really expensive hotels is I like the five star treatment, you know, I like the room service and then coming up and picking up behind you all the time. Sure.  Oh, we'll run the grocery store for you.  Oh, we have that too. Like, so I mean. This is a business. It's interesting. I wouldn't be surprised if companies like Hilton or Best Western don't start investing in these kinds of things to hedge their bets or they would, I think they'd be very smart to do so.  Or they might be arrogant and take its going away. Yeah. Well, probably a lot, but I wouldn't be surprised if there might be some that are already doing that.  Talk about a business opportunity though. Yeah. Talk about a business opportunity if you're trying to buy properties, like that's a new way to, your options before were buy a property, speculate on the value of the property or buy a property, try to make some income by the rent being more than the mortgage. That was it, right? It really wasn't any other option. Now you have a third option, which is buy a property to be able to rent through Airbnb or VRBO and then do it that way. Yeah. You know what I mean? Brilliant. Brilliant. Yeah, brilliant new market, very, very exciting. Absolutely brilliant. Hey, I wanted to adjust and I see Justin over there drinking on his life aid and I wanted to, you know, people were rousing us about the proprietary blend and how there's not a lot there but I was thinking about it today because I was watching all of us. It's probably good that it's not dosed really high or else we would go overdose on the mall. Yeah. Everyone's been drinking ever since we had the refrigerator in there. I know. It's got turmeric in it. I'm like, yeah. Well, it's the, come on, dude. I don't, I never like to drink sodas or flavorful drinks because they're just not good for you. But just be honest, it's fun, it's enjoyable to drink something that tastes good that's cold, that's carbonated. Yeah. So it's a good alternative. I think that's what it ends up being for all of us. Yeah. You know, everyone's, which one's your favorite? You know, I like the red one and the black one. So life aid and fit aid I think I like the most. Really? There's rhodiola in it. Yeah. I swear that some people, so here's a deal with rhodiola, rhodiola for most people makes them feel good, but some people it doesn't. I'm one of those people. Dude, you said that to me and you know, I always, I take a lot of the stuff you say like, wait, what's the grain of salt because I know you're like a hypochondriac and you're like, I feel it. Oh my God. Oh my God.  You have to disagree. Could be that too. Maybe it might be that. Maybe a combination of the two of them.  Yeah. Right. And I'm like, this is so weird that I feel that way. So rhodiola is for most people a very effective, it's not a stimulant, but it's got properties kind of like a stimulant. So when you read studies, so I have to vouch for it for a second here. When you read studies on rhodiola, it consistently improves performance. It's consistently and it's different than caffeine. Is it an herb shroom? What is it? Yeah, it's an herb. Okay, it's an herb. It's been used for thousands of years. Just like ginseng, like red panics ginseng or Chinese ginseng will also consistently show improvements and performance. But for a small percentage of people, it's not and it makes them kind of feel bad. And now I had a Chinese herbalist tell me once that my energy, my Chinese energy was wrong for herbs like rhodiola and herbs like red panics. She actually said I had too much Yang energy and just for the so you guys know Yang energy is the male energy. We got to get rid of that early in the morning. So you guys know. Which makes sense because I'm really masculine myself too. Yeah, maybe. So super. Yeah, but rhodiola is a performance. I recommend it to clients all the time but there's like a one out of ten people that don't feel good on it. So I'm one of those who like the light fade one, the red one and then the party. You do the party. I like the party. I see you drinking the party on the most. That one's my absolute favorite. But Doug and Justin are drinking on the red one right now. I like that one. The only one I don't like is the focus. I haven't had all of them. I definitely prefer light fade though. The light fade ones really have all of our spawn of the sponsors that we work with. What are the most difference to everyone else that we do? The green juice most. I'm using the protein powder a lot now, especially now that I'm back to tracking and making sure my protein's up there. I've been using the turmeric like crazy and then the probiotic anytime I do like a burger and fry or a meal like that that I know that might compromise my gut at all, I just automatically do that. I see the the gold juice. I mean my wife is still using that like before sleep. Yeah, I'm looking forward to getting back to that because you did feel a noticeable difference in your sleep. I use them the most though for sure. But again, I think it's because the diversity of it there's so many if it's not if I'm not taking the turmeric that day then the next day I'm taking the protein powder and sometimes I'm taking multiple of those things in one day. They have such a great product line. Yeah, they do. It's works. I forgot to ask you Justin, what ended up happening like so I get this panicked call from from Courtney. She's just like, okay, like she just was really like to the brass tax like I swallowed another ball this time taking him to the vet. Yeah, this is happening again. So in this time it's a bigger bouncy ball. But since she actually saw him swallow it like rushed him to the vet. I guess they they were able to have him like throw up instead of like having him ingested and like have it get caught again. So thankfully it came out. But what also came out four socks.  You're telling it. He's a savage. I don't know. Four socks in a ball. Four socks like legit like big socks. He probably ate my socks. Now the crazy part about that is that typically, so a dog's digestive system works much faster than ours does. So normally they'll pass that way quicker. So that means that's just like this morning's diet, bro. Like this morning he's probably eight four socks in a ball. And he's been doing so well from all the training I've been taking him to and all. But like he has this insatiable appetite. I can't, I can't put a handle on it. It's, what do they say? What's that saying? Dogs are like their owners. What is that? Scream man. How many socks did you get? I probably ate a lot of paste. I'll tell you what. It smelled like cheese. That's why. Cheese. I did eat a lot of stuff. But he's okay now, right? Yeah. No, he's good now. I'm happy to know because my son was, he was just beside himself because he was playing with a bouncy ball and he just snatched it from him and swallowed it. So he just felt guilty about it. How devastated was your kid? Oh my God. I felt like my stomach's sunken. I just felt for him. Because he thought he killed the dog. Yeah.  Oh my God. You did a good job, man. That's one of those things you just like, you don't want to lose it. So we're in the new house, right? And the boys are getting acclimated to the new place. And it's crazy. So my bulldogs are so finicky, dude, like personality-wise. Like they just are extra-ultra-sensitive. They're in a new place. And so they're just, all their shit's heightened. They're just frustrated. You could tell. They're scared. They're kind of like following us around everywhere. It's new. Like they've lost their house they've been in for the last six years or whatever. They're in a new place. They just keep getting on each other's nerves. And it's always Masi. Masi antagonizes Bentley all the time, which is so funny because he's the smaller dog. Right. And in most breeds, like if you have, you have an alpha, sooner or later, one dog presents himself as the alpha.   But that doesn't happen in bully breeds. It's really, it's really interesting. They keep testing. They never stop testing each other.  Bentley must get so fresh. Oh. And the worst part where I feel bad is that when, when Bentley was a, well young, right? And we had Masi come as a puppy. So Bentley's two years older.    And Bentley outweighs him by like 30 pounds. He's a bigger, stronger bulldog without a doubt.   And I'm in the shower. It's happening, right in front of me. And I've been trying to teach Katrina. And she is getting better.  They're brothers. You know what I'm saying? They've been, they grew up together. Like it sounds scary when two bulldogs are going at it. I mean, it does. So I get it. And she's never had dog. So I know why she gets kind of scared. But I keep trying to explain to her that dog senses are extremely heightened and they can feel your energy. They can feel you scared and the nervousness and then you screaming, yelling and freaking out. You just can't be like that or also just heightens the whole situation. So she's gotten better about walking, doing something about this. They keep doing this. I'm like, just relax. He's bleeding. He's bleeding. They're dogs. You know what I'm saying? Like he bit him on his nose, but what happened was they were going at it and Mozzie bit his nose. Blood goes everywhere and then you could see, I'm watching it. I'm in the shower.  You got to get him for that. Yeah, dude. And Billy's so much stronger than they're going back and forth from it. And then Billy just like wraps his two paws around him and submits, like pins him down and then bite him or hurt him or anything like that. Just hold him down. Yeah, hold him down, you know? And I was like, yeah, that's exactly, you know, he'll do that enough times and Mozzie will eventually kind of leave him alone. But he had, his nose was really dry and it opened up so it looked way worse than it was.  Like that's for a dog. A scratch like that is. Yeah, that's nothing.  They're not a big deal. They're the best friends right after. They don't like each other but dude, Mozzie's crazy, bro. You always try to do that. Oh man.  Get him. This quiz brought to you by OrganiFi. For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition. OrganiFi fills the gap with laboratory-tested certified organic superfoods to help give your health the performance of the added edge. Try OrganiFi. Totally risk-free for 60 days by going to OrganiFi.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I Doc O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I Doc O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I and use a coupon code MINDannyPump for 20% off at checkout. First question is from B-Miller-8433. I'm a truck driver driving the night shift four nights a week. What are some easy meals or snacks to take on the road that are healthy? Also, some stretches to keep your neck and back from being stiff? That's a tough gig, horrible job, man.   Well, the positive thing that I do know about truck driving, because I know very little about it, but the little bit I do know, I know that a lot of the big truck stops actually have like microwaves and things like that at them. So if you're willing to put the work in where you mill prep and you set your meals out on the weekend or your day off, because obviously you might be driving through the weekends, I don't know, but whatever your days off are, is you mill prep and you pack them in one of those bags. And I know, I know you guys used to make fun of me in the six pack bags and things like that. But here's a great example of somebody. Bring your cooler. Oh, yeah. Right. That's what those are. Okay. That's what those are. And they're just, and they're separated in meals where you portion them out. They're nice.   I think it would be wise to fast many times, not all day, but, you know, to give yourself an eating window so that you're not eating throughout your drive, because that could really add up. I know. Now here's the thing. I know myself. I don't like driving long distances. And one thing that I sometimes will do to keep myself awake is snack while I'm driving. Now I can't imagine doing that for hours and hours. Energy drinks. Right. Yeah. So I could see the, the tendency to want something to snack on because you're driving and you're, you know, whatever, you're doing the same thing over and over again. But I would say I would caution against snacking for a couple of different reasons.  Super fast. Yeah. And what are you going to snack on? Nuts. Right. You're going to hit 5,000 calories of nuts. Nuts. Nuts. Beef jerky, string cheese. All those are good options, but you just got to be careful with that, right? Especially if you're snacking. And then your, your energy expenditure is so low because you're sitting for long periods of time that you don't need lots of calories. The strategy that I would recommend, I've trained truck drivers before. I actually trained a guy for a years who, who owned a truck driving company. And so for years before he kind of grew enough to have other drivers, he was the driver and we would have these conversations. And you know, when we would talk about these things, you know, the most important thing you can do, and it's really the same thing that I tell most people today in modern life because most of us are sedentary all day long. But truck drivers are guaranteed to be sedentary is choose a form of exercise that's going to speed up your metabolism to offset the lack of activity.  This is why good strength training for this guy, dude, for sure. Totally. Like really, really good strength training, build a strong metabolism that's fast to offset the lack of activity that you're experiencing most the time in the truck. And then the other thing I would recommend is bring some bands with you and or even a TRX. Yeah, bands are great because they're super convenient. And if you have space like a kettlebell or two. And then what you do is when you stop to go to the bathroom, do five to 10 minutes of exercises. Who was our who? Which one of our listeners was posted that in our forum?  Perfect. I mean, that a perfect world is every four hours or so stopping at a truck stop, getting your one to two meals, heating them up because you prepared them and hitting a trigger session.  The kind of heavy maps and a ball of paired with the trigger sessions and then and then preparing your meals and hitting truck stops. Yeah. And at the end of the day, make sure you get in the extensions. And so you're mentioning, you know, maybe some neck pain and some protracted, you know, shoulder issues like to combat that, you know, definitely make sure your body's in an extended, fully extended position and here's the other option like maps on a bulk would be great. You know, what else would be great and might even actually be better because I'm trying to think of all the prime. No, I'm trying to think of all the issues that would that would happen to screen right now. Yeah, what would happen to a truck driver, which is lack of activity. That's a big one. We want a faster metabolism. That's a big one staying in the same plane all the same position. Yeah. Like you you're gonna want a great point and not just correctional exercise like you would find in prime, but actual mobility workouts, which you can do with a stick. Yeah, which is easily literally, you know, twisting your body is gonna be very important.  What I would do is I would do mobility, the mobility workouts when I'm on the road because all they requires a stick and maybe bands or not so it's nothing. And then the days where I'm actually have access to a gym, I would do the foundational workouts of math performance. Because you're more than just trying to build muscle, which it does also, it's also promoting good movement patterns to offset the the bad patterns that you're developing with truck driving. I mean, now that I think about it, well, you masterformance is the perfect you could also make the case for maps anywhere too. I mean, just this is like, this is what's so great about and how we developed all the programs that we did is because there's a there's a place for all of them in a sense, right? Like I could I definitely agree with you that the the benefits of all the multi-planar movements that we have inside of performance and that person who's sitting in this the sagittal plane the entire time, like, absolutely, that makes sense even prime pro, you know, for handling all this dysfunction from sitting in a seat for hours upon hours. But then also, if you're on the road four days a week, you can't make to a gym doing anywhere, you know, and then when in your home days, when you're there, a map's anabolic type program. So the answer is there, like we have something for you that will complement like all the issues that you might run into. If you have good planning, super bundle that ship, right? If you have really good planning, you're, you're, you're gonna be okay. You just have to have good planning.  So how do you plan for that? Well, you have a good workout program, like I said, to offset the lack of activity and to offset the immobility and bad recruitment patterns that you're gonna develop just from sitting all day long. So you've got that planned out.  That's it. Don't go snack and don't eat throughout the whole time. Because those calories will keep up on you. Just give yourself two good meals to have while you're on the road and bring them with you.  Not that many good options off the side of the road. Right. And we're all on a hardcore diet right now, too. You got to mention that because in the past, sometimes we are screwed, whatever, we'll just go have a burger, we'll have something else. But right now, everyone's dialed in. So yeah, not a good not not good.  Now, these here's the thing I've trained truck drivers myself. And one of the things that I would recommend is actually weighing out and measuring your nuts, because that's where nuts get crazy for my get crazy sometimes. Yes, the nuts can get crazy because it's the calories out so fast, you grab a handful of peanuts or almonds or pistachios. That's not that much. Yeah, 100 calories. Yeah, exactly.  Otherwise, you know, 500 to 1000 calories and nuts up really, really fast. Nice hefty scale. It does add up. But yeah, you just have to plan yourself out very well. He says he drives a night shift four nights a week. So you have three days a week.  So here you go.  Those are the days you do the mobility sessions that you can do on the road. The three days a week you're home. There's your foundational workouts right there. I like that. Bring your food with you so that everything's kind of set up and planned out. And I think you'll be fine. Not only be fine, you'll probably thrive if you do it all like I'm laying out your joints will thank you. If you're G get the super bundle, though, just keep all that because it's all yeah. It's a good point on him. Next question is from VMA Mr. Black. Would using machines for heavy ab work be the same as some of the exercises in the no BS six pack program? Nope. Not at all. So here's what they're referring to for people who don't have the no BS six pack program or workout. One of the hallmarks of it is and there's lots of it's the technique of it. Yeah, one of the now there's a lot of reasons why it's an effective program. But one of them is that, you know, when I wrote that program, one of the big myths I wanted to dispel was that you needed to do high reps for abs. For some reason, a long time ago, we decided that the abs were a different muscle than the rest of your body. And if you wanted to really sculpt them and shape them and see them, then you do a lot of reps. They're muscles like anything else. And if you want to see your abs, you want to build them. And not only that, but if you build your abs, you actually see them at higher body fat percentages. I used to never train my abs properly. I would do high reps or I wouldn't work them out at all. I would get my body fat down to 7% 8% body fat. And unless I flexed really hard, I still didn't have like the six pack. Now I have this six pack that's visible at 12% body fat, even when I'm relaxed because I've built out my app. So that's the hallmark of it is being able to use or one of the hallmarks is be able to use resistance to build the abs. Now here's why I never recommend machines for ab work. Machines are designed for this average height, average shaped person with a particular type of mobility. When you look at your spine, there's it's all but it's a bunch of joints. And it's very different from person to person. And when you're flexing and contracting the abs, you want to be able to bend and curl at the lumbar spine. The odds that that machine is going to fit your body perfectly are very, very low.  And this is why I'll see how often do you guys see this the decondition people in the gym use doing the whole stack on the ab machine. You put them on a physio ball, do a proper crunch and they're shaking at rep number two. Now that being said, I do want to play devil's advocate with this because I know there is a small percentage of people that are listening that can get benefits from using the machines because they have a really good connection to their abs and they can they know how to flex it the same way that I can get on a machine that wasn't even designed to work a certain muscle and use it to work the muscle that I want to. But we're talking about a very small percentage. So I think what you're saying is 100% true for 90% of the population, right? So majority of people, yes, no brainer. Now, if you're somebody who has got in incredible control of your abdominals, like you can flex your abs in almost any position, you can extend them and flex them. Yes, right. And you really understand and understand the mechanics of it with your flexion extension of the spine. Well, if you understand that really well, then yeah, absolutely, I think you can use a machine and get benefits from it and you know, for one workout or whatever, because you can't do that exercise, or you just feel like doing something different. I don't think it's going to hurt you. But I think that a majority of people, this is an area and we did a YouTube, you did a great, you know, YouTube video on this a long time ago, Sal, that most people just don't have a good connection to their abs. So you add that in with a machine that wasn't designed specifically for their body. And then they try and like hammer away the way it's like you're going to be pulling with your arms, you're going to be using your hip flexors, you're going to be doing a lot of things and it emphasizes all the compensations. Right. So so think about this way, the we all know the abs that kind of flex the body for right they fall they fall if the average person would say, if I said hey, what am I working and I laid down and then set up, they'd say oh your abs because we know that the abs kind of helps fold the body up. But what a lot of people don't know is that the hip flexors fold the body up as well. Now they do it from the hips, and the abs do it from the lumbar spine, but they're close to each other. The difference the distance between the hips and the lumbar spine is, you know, what is that inches, right? So it's not that so it can almost look to the same to somebody who's untrained or untrained eye that not to mention, if I'm flexing at the hips and using only my hip flexors, my abs still have to stabilize my body. So and the reason why I'm saying this is a lot of people will be like, but I feel my abs my abs. Yeah, I still feel my eyes symmetrically contracting to stabilize. They're all they're doing is stabilizing. So it's no different than it would be no different than me holding my arm out to my side almost fully extended with my palm up with the dumbbell. I'm in moving my shoulder up and down, I'll be lifting the dumbbell up and down. My bicep is going to be active in the sense that it's stabilizing. But I'm not working it in its full range of motion. This is true with the abs when you're working the hip flexors. And this is why people do like for the most common ones leg raises, right? They'll hang from a bar or they'll prop themselves up with their elbows. And they'll just bring their legs up and down. And the hip flexors are bringing the legs up. They're not really working the abs on full range of motion. But they still feel the abs because the abs are stabilizing such a terrible yet great exercise at the same time, right? Arguably one of the best exercises that you can do for abs, but also one of the most challenging to do correctly and not let your hip flexors you have to be really strong. You have to have really, really strong abs to go from to allow your hips to go into a posterior pelvic tilt, where you're flexing at the lumbar spine with the resistance of your long, heavy legs because it's a long lever. That's a hard exercise. When I train my abs, they're decently strong. I'm not doing more than 15 really good reps. See, I teach to actually do that with your knees and exaggerate the rolling up of the side more than anything else because I think it's a better legs and throw your hips up. Yeah, straight leg. It's a long lever. Yeah, I can only get like five good reps, dude. And I could actually take the knees, bend the knees and roll up and exaggerate how high I roll up and practice a little more contraction way more, way more. So that I think that's a much better way to teach that move because that's a very advanced movement. If you don't have a good connection, it is a reverse crunch is one of my favorite exercises to teach people how to activate the abs because so if you're laying flat on your back, what I'll have someone do is I'll lay on a bench, they'll hold on to the back of the bench, tuck their knees, and then they're just going to roll their back, their low back off the bench like tuck their legs, like they're a piece of paper, right? Not shooting them straight up in the air. I've seen people do that. That's the wrong way to do it. Roll back pulling it towards you. Yeah. And so you can feel what the abs are doing because it kind of keeps the hip flexors now as stabilizers rather than as the prime movers. And that helps teach people what the abs do. But that's another one called where you just you crunch up like one brick at a time, like you kind of just peel your perfect set up, perfect. Yeah, perfect. Or just a old school sit up. That's an old school sit up. It's phenomenal. Very tough if you're if you're like really intent for as you do it. Now something else you want to also keep in mind when training your core and your abs is the core muscles really primarily act as stable. They do move, right? They do flex and squeeze and lots of stuff. But primarily that are stabilize your trunk while your arms and legs are moving and stuff like that. So not only do you want to do these these exercises that build the abs, which include which are full range of motion. But it is a good idea. And then this is not in the no BS six pack form because it no BS six pack was designed to give you visible six pack. That's why I designed it that way. But if you want a really healthy overall core, you want to do that.  Right. Just so that my core gets used to stabilizing with tension. So it's not moving or you lunge in place while resistance is pulling you, you know, to the side. Yeah, very, very good at stabilizing the spine. So that's also something that's real important. And I do want to say one more thing. The obliques do not neglect them. Everybody's afraid to work the obliques for some reason. They think they're going to get a bigger waist. The obliques are arguably more important than the abs. When it comes to movement and sports and strength, you do much more rotation than you do, like flexing at the spine and stuff like that. So don't neglect the obliques. Plus, they look awesome when they're well developed. Next question is from Ryan Aldwenda. You keep dissing Justin on his cheese cravings as if cheese is always unhealthy. Yeah, you tell him. Can you talk about the benefits of raw pasture raised 100% grass fed cow goat and cheap cheese? You know why you know why we razz Justin? It's because it's a soft spot because he's Justin. He's an easy target.  So much cheese for reals. Yeah, no way junior. I just remembered that. Is this a legit thing for like your whole life? Yeah, yeah, yeah. My dad has the same thing. I got it from him. I swear, dude. He's very much of a cheese. Wow, dude. Yeah, he came back from like Wisconsin, brought me like cheese curds like when I was a kid. Dude, have you ever had cheese curds, Adam? No, they squeak. Fantastic. They squeak when you bite them or they make delicious. They're really good. Yeah, I don't know. They squeak? Yeah, they're like weird. Crunch on it. It's like, but it's like a squeak. It like kind of like goes over your teeth like and cleans it or something. It's interesting. I don't know. It's interesting.  And I thought she was joking and I eat it when I'm like, you kind of feel this like little, yeah. Yeah, the enamel. Yeah. Somebody that slides. So here's the reason why we mess with Justin all joking aside with cheese is because he's addicted. That's why. And also I admit it. I have a I have a hunch and I'm not I don't know if I'm right or not that he may have an intolerance, a slight intolerance to cheese. That's why they both speculate. Yeah, that was a speculation. We will we will find that out.  So I mean, I there's definitely nutrients that you're getting from milk. I mean, it's not like people. No, it's a great source of protein and fat. Yeah, it's one of the great source of protein. If you if you can tolerate it, right. If your stomach can handle it, I think there's a great now what is it? Why is it not so good for so many people then? Why is it a common cheese? Sorry, milk hasn't been used like pastures as a food. Well, no, that's so well. So we'll go into that. Yeah, milk hasn't been consumed by humans in on in mass for a super long period of time in context of how long, you know, humans have been around and stuff like that. Now, the areas where humans have have been consuming a lot of dairy are northern European countries and some regions of Africa where it's been it's been with us for 10,000 years. Most of the rest of the planet hasn't been consuming milk for a long period of time. So we didn't evolve. Yeah, they don't know the necessary enzyme. So in other words, even if you have a problem, Justin, you should not push out and you should keep eating it in order for the generation after you to evolve. Yes. And get beyond that. Is that I got the I got the genetics that passed on like you're talking about like northern European. Come on, that's my wheelhouse. Yeah, northern European something like 90% of them produce the lactase enzyme.   Yeah, you know what you mean? You're catching goats and you know cows from villages and you know, milk them. Yeah. You don't see that happening. So so so here's the deal when you're when all babies produced like most babies produce lactase enzymes so they could digest milk as we get older. Our bodies stop producing this enzyme so we can't we can't have anything with lactose in it just destroys us because we have the enzyme to break it down. But depending on the region you're from you continue to produce it people from northern European areas. I think something like 85 or 90% of them can digest lactose no problem. People from certain regions of Africa have a different variation in their gene that also has them produce lactase. So it was a different separate evolution evolutionary. Make it to the Mediterranean. No, people so met people in Mediterranean large percentage of them can have lactase or lactose large percentage of Asians large percentage of Africans outside of those regions like the Maasai tribe, for example, they subsist into almost entirely on like cow. So like milk and blood and meat and all that stuff. So so that's so that's number one. You have to be able to tolerate it first. That's that's number one. Now that's being said raw organic grass fed milk. If you can tolerate it is actually quite sounds delicious. It's actually super nutrient dense, super nutrient dense, super healthy. It's you know a long time ago and here's the problem because we pasteurize all of our milk. Pasteurization actually destroys the beneficial bacteria that you'll find in milk. So I don't know if you guys knew this. I think Arnold ruined this for everybody. He said milk is for babies. You got to drink beer. Before that, everybody said it was all good, dude. I don't know if you guys know this or not, but if you take raw milk and you leave it out, it doesn't go sour. It actually turns into buttermilk, I think. If you take pasteurized milk and you leave it out, it goes sour. So when we actually used to have milk men, right? Like they would like drop it off in this glass container. That was like pretty like a day or like how many days old was that milk? Oh, that was that was we're still pasteurizing then, although some people weren't because it was white, bro. What do you mean? All right, because raw milk don't look white, dude. What is it? Yeah, it looks almost brown. Uh, uh, uh, yes. What do you mean, almost? You're talking to the bovine. Hold on a second. Straight raw milk. I'm talking raw, but then they still have to like do something to it. You're talking straight from the tip. It gets homogenized and pasteurized. That's what happens to before that. And it's when it's raw and it's raw as form, it looks almost brown. It's a very, it's a very interesting. It's like, it's like a light like tan color. And when you shake it in like a jug, it's like thick and creamy. It does not look like milk that you've seen on movies and in TV and in our grocery stores. It's interesting because I remember I was like going through some 4H like display, like so they had like a fair and somebody was talking about like they get judged on the type of milks that they come in with from their cow. And some of them have, they could tell if they like went through a patch of like, you know, like onions or whatever, they could taste like this very distinct. So my kids, when they were growing up, when they went stop, you know, when they stop breastfeeding and we would give them milk, I bought them. This back when you could buy raw milk, I'd give them raw milk. I don't know if you guys know this, but calves, they've done studies. If you feed them pasteurized milk only, they don't thrive the same. Same thing with with other animals. Raw milk, they tend to thrive better because raw milk's got got beneficial bacteria. And it was a lot of the enzymes when you actually and the enzymes and you know, raw milk actually contains some lactase enzyme in it. So for people who may some people who can't digest pasteurized milk, have no problem with raw milk. Is it just because of the shelf life that we got away from that? Or I mean, there's dangers to know that we had there. Something happened at one point where we got everyone got sick from it. Yeah, decades ago, you know, they were producing milk or trying to produce it in mass and cows were kept in really cramped dirty quarters.  And they would they would feed it to the cows. So the milk actually came out with a blue tint to it.  It's going to produce not something that's healthy.  And I was trained to like look at it and you could see and tell if it's off. And so if the cow was sick or they got into something like you were saying before, there's there's it would be a distinct difference. Now, when it gets mixed into a huge pot of milk, it's like you can't really tell it dissipates. Right, it dissipates a little bit. But if you see that, you take that off the cow right away and then you mark. So we used to have this whiteboard, right, where we were we're milking on these cows, then you're busting these cows through. And if one came in and normally I could tell obviously when I've been doing it for a really long time, I could tell by the way the cow walked in, they normally didn't want to eat something they didn't want to look a little unhealthy. Yeah, they look unhealthy. They just didn't look like they were happy or whatever.  You unhook it right away, mark the cows tag up on there and then the boss comes through later on that day and knows to go check up on that cow. And that was like kind of our process. Yeah.  And now everybody could have milk again. And then now we have laws that say you have to have, you know, you can't sell raw milk. In many states, it's illegal. I've seen videos of raids on dairy farms that are selling raw milk, which I think is weird in absolutely insane. Yeah. I mean, you drink milk from healthy cows. It's healthy. The milk's fine. And it's better for you. Homogenization. There's also some problems with homogenization, because that's crushing the fat to the point where it's suspended in the liquid so it doesn't separate. That has its own potential negative health effects that, you know, a lot of wellness experts will talk about. So yeah, if you don't have an intolerance to dairy, dairy can be a very healthy thing. Weston a price who if you go Weston a price or a great website, he talks about like ancestral diets. And, you know, this is how I learned about like cod liver oil and I learned about healthy fats and this, you know, great information. He was a he was a dentist that traveled the world and studied the teeth of, you know, of different, you know, civilizations and found that hunter gatherers have these amazing teeth and no cavities and whatever. And he looked at their diet and he's like, oh, it must be their diet. And anyway, it's a foundation that studies diet encounters a lot of the stuff we we we've heard like low fat, grain, heavy diets, you know, they're kind of against that. But that's where I learned about the benefits of raw, organic, non-homogenized milk versus pasteurized milk. And like I said, well, my kids were were were growing up. That's what I bought them. That's what I give them. It's basically like it would be it would behoove everybody at least go through some sort of elimination to see how their body responds as you reintroduce it. It's the most it's one of the most common it's one of the most common food intolerances. So like for me, for example, I'm intolerant to lactose. So I don't have I can't digest lactose, but I can take a lactase enzyme, right? So I could take what's it called? I can't remember. Anyway, I could take a lactase enzyme lactate, lactate. Thank you. But I'm also intolerant to dairy protein.  And I used to drink literally to gain weight. Well, it makes the most a gallon of milk. Oh, my God, like I would literally take that to school with me and I drink a gallon. I bought into that milk builds muscle thing when I was a kid too. I drink gallons. It's the ultimate weight gainer shake right there. In fact, all the weight gainer shakes used to mix them with whole milk because that's how they got all the calories. But I would pound whole milk and I probably had gut inflammation and developed antibodies now against milk protein. So now I can't have milk proteins either regardless of lactose. So I can't have dairy. A lot of people have issues with dairy, I would say. Yeah, I would say more often than not. When I work with people eliminating dairy helps them out. And I'm sure all the weight protein for all the gym rats out there has not been beneficial as far as like contributing towards it. Well, then you add in the fact that we teach people the anabolic window to slam a shake like right here. Most of them right. And we tell people by response to the combination of beast mode, slam a drink super low. Yeah, right away. It's like recipe for disaster. And then if you're already sensitive, it's like hello. I mean, that's probably what happened to you. Yeah, yeah, because I would pound you already don't have that you already don't have the genes to be somebody who's drinking a lot of dairy. And then you add in the fact you're pounding a gallon and you're pounding a drink right after you get done working out.  It took me so long to just accept that I that gluten and dairy were things that I just this is good for me. Do you know how sad that is for a person who grew up in a family that I mean, I'm Italian. Right.  I can't eat it. You know what I mean? Very, very sad pizza. You look sexy now, though. So it's worth it. I appreciate it. Next question is from bad casting. How do I stop nudging my sack when doing barbell shrugs? Well, we have such a common problem. We've got a nut theme today, huh? That's a legit. It is legit. What a great question. Bro, yeah, what a great cause you know, you don't you're seeing silence of the lambs.  It puts the notion in the basket.  I would say use of, you know, I change my grip sometimes. So if I go too wide, it's like sits right there. What do you think of behind the back shrug? Oh, man, behind the back shrug was a favorite with Lee Haney, Mr. Mr. Olympia, eight time Mr. Olympia.  You got to have decent shoulder mobility.  But yeah, definitely. It's a legit exercise behind the back shrugs, dumbbells instead. This is one of the reasons why I don't like barbell shrugs because I can pull, I can shrug pretty good weight. Not the only reason you don't like barbell shrugs. You know what I mean? Yeah. Weird. Yeah. Sorry. But this is definitely one of the reasons why I would gravitate towards either the, you know, the dumbbells behind behind the back. You know what's a great one that we haven't talked about on here? Or maybe we have a long time ago is reverse shrugs where you actually picked the bar above your head and you actually shrug. Overhead shrugs? Yes. Oh, those are gnarly. They are. They hit your traps. Great, great move. You got to, because all right so, here's the deal. Like this is, and this is why I love this. This is also why I love the Z-Press. Okay. Not a lot of people lift something in full extension above their head and can stabilize weight. That in itself is a great trap exercise because with the weight suspended like that, you have the long lever and the traps are responsible kind of stabilizing that weight above your head. So, Z-Presses are already one of my go-to moves for that alone because it will help build those traps because you have to stabilize it. Now, if you take that and you actually reverse shrug so you're like reaching up and down with that weight behind your head, that's a great move. I've done that. Great forgotten move. I've done it before and it hits the traps like nothing of every, now you have to have decent shoulder mobility. Yes. If you have shoulder impingement issues, you're probably not going to do it. It's not for everybody. Little more on the dangerous light. You've got to go really light. So, there's that exercise. And then, I discovered through when we went, you know, a while ago, we traveled with Robert Oberst, right? Boom.  He's got like this huge upper back. It's like a mountain. Yeah.  And he's like... Everything. Snatch grip, high poles. Yeah. That's the best exercise he's right. So, I started doing those. Yeah. Lit my upper back up like nothing else. Nah, you had that fast twitch element to it. You had a little power to that muscle group where, you know, that's so great. Like, I remember just even power cleans, you know, which is very, you know, similar type of movement. I remember my traps just exploding. Well, what a great point, Justin, because it's just a, it's a muscle that doesn't get a lot of explosive work anywhere else. It's designed, it was designed. It's a, it's a stabilizer muscle. The stabilizer. Yeah. So, it really stabilizes it. So, we get work in it and you could directly do it by doing shrugs and lifts like that. But how often does your body ever call upon it for an explosive movement? And most people do shrugs wrong, dude. Most people, their shoulders a little rolled forward. They're shrugging up and they're using the other scapula elevators, aside from the trapezius muscles, which are the big meaty ones, you know. Yeah. So, when you're doing shrugs, what you want to do is when you're, when you're doing them is you want it rather than going straight up, imagine you're going up and behind your ear a little bit. So, you kind of coming up at an angle and squeezing back just a little bit.  Watch how your traps feel.  The chicken wing move. Yeah. Have you seen that? Yeah. Did you guys see the same guy at the Santa Teresa 24 that used to do that? Yeah. It's like so much weight on the bar. Yeah. Maybe like not even an inch just. You wore the weight belt that said beast on it. It bounces. Yeah. And the hammer strength, one of my poor guy, we've got to get him in here. You've roasted. I want to put a face the name. I know exactly how to put beast on your weight. It was a couple of years ago, we had already started mind pumping. I had seen him. So, he's around. Oh, he's still lifting. I saw him at the Willow Glen 24 fitness. Oh, wow. Same guy. Same doing the same exercise. Same guy wearing the same super tight shirts. Yeah.  So, you know, guys that have never lifted more than, you know, one or two plates on any exercise, all of a sudden can throw like four or five plates on there and do, you know, slam them down real hard. Yeah. And do like a centimeter range of motion and walk around like, I'm the man. Yeah, bro. I told you guys what I would do with him, right? When he would walk in. Yeah. Yeah. Get on the intercom. Just just just loud enough. Beast. Anyway, this month maps performance is 50% off hooking it up. Use the code green free people green 50 will give you 50% one word all one word and 50 is not written out. It's 5 0. That's right. Green 5 0 at mine pump media.com. Also, we have free guides available at mine pump free .com. That's right.  You got called out. Do it. And also lastly, I'd like to mention our social media platform on Instagram. You can find me mine pump Sal. You can find Adam mine pump Adam and Justin and mine pump Justin. Thank you for listening to mine pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance. Check out our discounted RGB Superbundle at minepumpmedia.com. The RGB Superbundle includes maps anabolic, maps performance, and maps aesthetic. 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