Ain't she a teller? Ain't she a teller? Yeah, everybody on it Don't ever say that we don't be doing that for our artists and for our people Yeah, we came from the strong boss talk We always working Jack So you looking for the best boss talk We ain't worried about the rest boss talk Check it, check it, check it, check it This is Unique House, this is your boy, he CEO And I'm here with the lovely, amazing official, Miss Jamaica What's going on?  You know what I'm talking about Man, they're in the building man People can't in here one more game man Taylor said that through sale I didn't want to mess that up Taylor through sale man Nice to have you guys on the set man Man, boss talked one on one and pulled up When it did some great interviews Now we getting down to the good ones That's right Yeah, the best ones The greatest Yeah Pimkin is the gold of interviewing y'all I'm gonna just let y'all know man Man this dude and that millions of views together Because we just got that chemistry You know what I'm talking about But we gonna get into it today Taylor So you're the publicist? I am For HHL I am the publicist, the international publicist For the hip hop fraternity Wow, that's huge man Yeah So how did you end up linking with HHL? Honestly, everything in life that has ever been Given to me has been given to me because I have proved Myself, I have proved my worth Me and this man can have been seeing each other We've been passing each other I'll be watching his organization He's been watching mine I did an event last year called the BET Experience Wrapped in with the BET Hip Hop Awards It was a humongous event Four days, four different venues And thousands of people When he seen that I put that together by myself After that he knew In my mind I worked for him So I worked for him before I was hired, right? Wow And then we just I stayed consistent I stayed on my grind We did some stuff in South by Southwest I did another big weekend Plugged this artist in Plugged this people in And since then we've been rolling We're three events in We've been working a couple months I got some new projects coming out with him That we're doing But he put together the autobiography Making of a celebrity You know, with Boosie and Ice Tea So it's been a short time But we're going for a long time Man, just, you know Punch word, Boosie Like, me and I was supposed to be in an interview with Boosie Remember you was going to have me To come down and interview with Boosie When I was going to run Doing the book to her But the news that I have seen I've been watching And man it hadn't been good news It's been some crazy stuff going on there Free Boosie really Free Boosie Is what now We haven't started to look at, man But you guys have so much work going on together, man Like how does that affect the way that The work is going to have to flow now That he's incarcerated? Well, I called the gentleman from Simon & Schuster And I asked him, I said, okay Where do we go from here? And he said, Ken, you know Boosie book done so well That we already recouped Our investment So we want you to continue To do what you're doing We understand that you have The making of the autobiography Of a celebrity So basically Boosie did not Lose his book deal A few people asked me Did Boosie lose his book deal? No, he didn't lose his book deal What happened was We just talked to the people And they gave us their perspective And anytime Like in the case Like my man, Lonnie Who's the hip hop fraternity Management He's the director of management He also manage Or works with our Kelly, right? He's a part of our organization And he came to us To do a book on our Kelly And the publishing company Said not just yet Because it's too much controversy Right Surrounding the situation You know, when Boosie Got into it with the other guy You know, about the little stuff They was talking about, you know The LGBTQ, the LBGT community You know, I don't want to mess it up The malphabet The malphabet to get you in trouble Yeah, but when Boosie Got into it with this guy You know, Simon Schuster Might want to They were thinking about You know, dropping the book So, you know, it is a situation In the book world In the literary world We call it a morality clause So you have to have a certain amount Of morality You have a certain amount Of moral character In order to stay with companies Like Simon Schuster Because it's owned by CBS It's a billion dollar company So a lot of things That artists do And authors do It's a reflection on the company And being that Boosie Is with my literary agency The hip-hop fraternity Every seen along with Ivy Love Literary agency with Steve Love You know, it's our duty To make sure that we keep Boosie in the right perspective You know, in terms of the business So from a business standpoint Simon Schuster is going to Continue to put the book out Because it was done before We had this untimely Unfortunate situation So, yes, Boosie Book is still for sale You can get it at Amazon.com That's right, go get it Anywhere, books are sold Books a million Burns and novels And it's now available on paperback And we are currently working On the Boosie autobiography Docuseries Where we will actually show people From scratch to finish How the book was The deal was done Some of the ups and downs of the deals You know, we got a lot of celebrities In there like Ice-T We got Tarik Nashi Rick Rawls and a few other people You know, that's going to be in there Giving their opinions on various subjects That surround Boosie's situation You know, the death penalty Mass incarceration And other things that A lot of people don't even talk about Right? So, yeah, Boosie Book Is still in effect Boosie did not lose his book bill You know, it hasn't affected the situation That sounds good Let's go The thing I look at, man Because when you deal with business, man It's a scary thing when people start I remember back when And I know when PMC ended up going To prison and going And when Boosie went the first time When you start to see people who You connected with Going through these cases How does that affect you Like far as these being people that you Are really connected to? Well, you know, PMC I was there when he got his case You know, before they Rolled down on Boosie I was just at Boosie's house Literally a month before they Actually incarcerated him So it's like me being Ex-convict Doing ten years total in the penitentiary You know, I kind of Identify with these brothers And I know a lot of them come from Young aggression, you know But later on I'm going to talk about it more But I think that a lot of these young people That's in the entertainment business Needs to understand that They created an empire A powerhouse, a hip hop And it's a lot of people Have a vested interest in bringing That empire down Every empire, you know You had the Shakazulu Empire You had the Roman Empire You had the Greek Empire You had the Egyptian Empire And all those empires were brought down Because of envy, jealousy, malice Hate, slander, lunacy, murder and theft You know, so we have to understand That it's a vested interest On behalf of certain people You know, whether it's systemic racism Or whether it's white supremacy Or whether it's just, you know, hatred People are going to target These young brothers and sisters Who make it all this money What we mean for an officer to see Is a young man driving a Rolls Royce That costs a half a million dollars He might make $30,000 in salary Let me ask you this When he was leaving his house a lot of times We've seen him getting pulled over by the police Soon as he would leave his house And then he would go live And he would pretty much, you know Call him out for stopping him Falsely accusing him Say different things to pretty much push the buck To say, hey man, he was seeing some of his songs Where he slandered, you know, the police Like, do you think that these things Are things that they're watching from an over level Or do you feel like these guys are Or do you feel like this incident alone Caused the issue? Okay, I got one word for you OJ, right? Yeah. So when you think about OJ Simpson And you think about him getting away with murder Beating a murder trial You know, the criminal justice system It's like a game You know, the district attorney All these people, you know They in cohoose with one another So, you know, they look at it like A loss for the California judicial system Was a loss for the entire judicial system That's why Vegas punished OJ For what California could punish him for So when you think about Boosie You think about him beating the murder trial And beating the death penalty Of a lot of officers that watch his social media as well So they are upset with the fact That this man beat the system You know, and when somebody beats the system What that does That sends shock waves through the system To let the other amazing convicts And potential people that's going to get arrested That the system can be beat And to them, you know, they The tear flying down The system think they the tear flying down They'd all be all, all be all Because, you know Of course, you know, the congressman, the senator The legislators, they make the laws And the laws is always in favor of the system Because you have a bureaucracy You have millions of people incarcerated, right? So when you think about all these people That's incarcerated, brother E You gotta think about they are incarcerated At the expense of jobs People are working for the system If everyone was to change up and become a Muslim Or become a Christian or a Buddhist Or any type of religion A Scientologist or whatever The system would crumble overnight And what they're going to do with all those jobs What they're going to do with the lawyers And the police officers And the correction officer And the probation officer This is a larger conversation that we're not having You know, that this is systemic racism And the criminal justice system Is designed to attack people like Busey And when people like Busey beat the system That's why San Diego dropped the charges And the fairs came in Immediately Because the fairs have a different play And we're going to talk about that when we get the artists When we talk about when I bring the artists up Because I want them to hear I want all artists in here So when you guys Okay Do we want to talk about the documentary now? Because I know that you were working on something big With Busey And you know what I mean And to be able to Work with someone You would think they would have to be out But you guys had You guys finished the documentary Before he was locked up Before he was Now he's going through the situation They've no bond with him He don't have a bond The fairs picked him up The alphabet boys So this is huge So now that that's happened You don't know You got different people That was working with him On different projects And now these projects Like when Jamie Foxx got sick They come to a halt A screeching halt And now people putting stunt doubles And all kind of stuff in well Now letting that happen Let us know what's going on With the documentary Okay I'm going to talk about my past About Miss Taylor So fortunately for us We had 13 hours Contrary to popular belief Busey is under contract with us We're not just So we are contractually Connected We have a contractual agreement That we can promote, market, push Do what we want to do With the project So one of the things that We were negotiating When we were negotiating When we was in the boardroom In Simon Schuster Was to be able to create a mechanism In which you know The hip hop fraternity Literary agency Along with Simon Schuster Can promote and make their money back So what we're doing with The Busey project Is we're documenting The entire process All that stuff You hear on Vlad And all these interviews I heard that stuff Way way before Vlad Or any of these other Interviews before He was on drink champs Or he was on whatever Beehive or 85 soft We had that same content But we structuralized it We put it in a way Where people can actually get into What is the process Of doing a legitimate corporate deal And what is the process Of seeing somebody like Busey Transition from being a thug To being a mobile So we tabulated And we actually videoed that So that's what you're going to see You're going to see Busey His family and friends And stuff like that You're going to see him actually coming Into being Coming from the ghetto streets To the ghetto blocks To the Wall Street stocks On his own liquor Putting out books On his own cologne And this is all because of Steve Love and myself When we bring the book deals And the liquor deals to the table James over there raps that You know, Steve Oh You think about that You think about Steve Oh You think about the Busey books You think about Pippin' Ken Or Ken Ivey and Steve Oh Hip-hop fraternity You know, so that's what we do So we're going to document that And we're doing the same thing What I see So it's called a docu-series And Miss Taylor can talk about it A little bit more in-depth Wow, let's go, Taylor Yeah, well this is an amazing thing What we're doing here A docu-series The making of a celebrity, guys This is really the autobiography Excuse me The making of an autobiography Of a celebrity That is the exact title of it And we're going to start Busey We're going to feature Ice Tea We got the real Rick Ross in it Giving us all the game and the knowledge And this is really to empower the youth Empower the community Show people that they can make it again Go from the streets to the boardroom Go from the streets to the executive room Without even having to change Your name or your claim to fame You can do it in your industry It's always something called choices We talked about this yesterday And the choices that Some of the men in our community May have led them into different places And spaces But seeing this docu-series And reading Busey's book Will show you as a young black man In the industry In a hard-knock life that they grow up in They can make it out And they can be positive The only issue is the target That is on some of our backs Some of our young black men's backs Because they're able to beat the system Or because they're a threat Because they're making multi-multi-billion See, I learned this from the best Mr. Ken Ivey The hip-hop industry Is one of the only industries That has several multi-billionaires Black From this industry alone I'm talking about Jay-Z I'm talking about P. Biddy I'm talking about Kanye West And even look what they did And Dr. Dre And look what they did with Kanye West They tried to strip him From everything that he owned When it came to his name And his claim to fame in fashion Because he made a statement So this is something that happens In our community We have to protect it But one thing about me Being the publicist I organized the campaigns And the marketing And what we're going to do For this docu-series We're going to go to all the colleges We're going to go to all the theaters We're going to go to all the cities and states See, the hip-hop fraternity Is in 32 different cities and states And we're growing today So we're going to hit all of those markets And we're going to make sure That they not only get a book But they also see it Because we're real visual You know, it's hard In today's society To sit down and focus on something For more than two hours Because you got social media You just got all these different things But we're real visual And want to watch it So this docu-series Is going to number one Impact the community Number two It's going to keep people captivated Because you read it But when you see it The rawness Like there's clips of Boosie In the studio Doing his thing Rolling up and just talking to us That's what we miss And we're missing that connection People talk about cancer But they don't talk about chemo They don't talk about the struggle You don't see the people in the hospital What you did just over the past week Was legendary, right? Going to the hospital And doing an interview Live in the hospital See, this is what this docu-series Is going to bring you It's going to make you feel Like you're there and you're in tune So we're going global with this thing We're going to take it as far As far as it's going to go We got a connection here with Africa With our guide Vado, C-O-O With a hip-hop fraternity So of course we're going to Africa We're going to drop this docu-series And we're going to relaunch This book We're going to make sure everybody knows About the hip-hop fraternity Pimp and Ken, Boosie, Rick Ross And Ice Tee Man, that's dope That's live So when you think about Boosie You know, beating cancer They say he spent $90,000 When it was asked Because that's what moved him up the line When I interviewed I think it was half a million It was $90,000 for something That they had to A procedure they had to perform He had to have that It might have been more But they had needed that up front And from what I... Am I right? You're right Okay, and the thing you have to understand Everybody don't have that kind of cheddar To make things better But at the end of the day He still was going to the booth He still was working on his album Would be done and G-Luck Down in Houston I interviewed those guys And they talked about How he would come there As he was going through his procedure And keep working like he was You know, the thing you don't understand Is God got something in us, man That pretty much drives us to Basically get the gift out of us That we have in us In a timely manner We don't know why sometimes We do certain things But he already has a mission And a plan that's bigger Than what we could even see That's right So that's the whole game You know what I'm saying So, but to see him Have to go through this All over again Because I know it Bring back memories now Because he got home His daughter Now he spent a lot of time With those kids, you know But the thing is Now to go back through this Same situation again To take the family back through this I know you've got to be a tough one on him You know what I'm saying What have you been able to speak with Boosie or any of them Since this happened? No Or any other family members? I talked to a lawyer in San Diego And I tried to deploy her Down to the justice system And see if she can find Awesome information for us She was able to report back to me She's a hip opportunity Affiliate as well She's able to report back to me Some of the things that's going on And she was like You know Kids don't look too good You know, so Wow Basically, like I said I'm going to talk to you Further on the interview But when it comes to cancer Right I had aunties that died From cancer You know My sister husband Henry He died from cancer I know to miss 14 years 13 years cancer free Wow I remember you was telling About that At 3 years old from cancer Cancer is Phew So cancer is definitely Something that we need to Really address in the African-American community But You know You know Nothing just happens You know what I'm saying You know God You know He's a scientist You know what I'm saying When you look at the trees Right You never think about The archival rays of the sun That beams on the tree That give us This ability to Emit oxygen You know And we never think About the precipitation And condensation That is created To create the Moisture and give the trees The life And you know We never think About the body Is 75% water You know 75% water And the earth Is 75% water So when you think About God You think about You know The things that We go through As human beings You know Every time God make a move Is to tell a story You know When a baby Will get discouraged But that just Let God tell us Like look You better be grateful This baby ain't nothing But two days old Die from career deaf And you're still here That's real But you're talking about Man, I got it hard You know That baby never even got To see hard times You know We think about cancer You know And people surviving We don't look at The cancer In the survivor We look at Look at God That's real That's what we gotta Say Look at God So God You're self and myself Who've been in the Criminal justice system Through Busey Who had cancer Through Miss Taylor You know Who had cancer You know So a lot of times God is just speaking You know God speak to man Through man That's real I'm saying So a lot of times You have to be Willing to ascertain The wisdom You know I always tell people You know You could be strong You could control The weak But the wise Control is strong You know I want to be wise like you God Wow, that's what Solomon said out of all the stuff he Yeah, you want wisdom? He just wanted wisdom so you know It's a lot of wisdom in the things that we see but nothing just happening everything that's happening It's happening for a reason you know us being here.   We get to tell our own story like I always tell them You know, it's a lot of people that they you know, it's not as organic and we trying to get there as a team as a people All the podcasters we get to tell our own story now and it's something to where we can make it right You know, we can help a lot of people that's coming up behind us The younger children never had nothing to see to even go by now We got something where we can show the kids a way that they can see a way out. I'm talking about teenagers We already got so much stuff going on on the internet I not give them a chance to see something that can really give them something that where they can see a See planet and then it grow and that's why Miss Taylor and the hip-hop fraternity is concocting a free boo-sie campaign. Yes. And so miss Taylor Can you please tell them some of the accolades of some of the people that you work with because people see you But they don't know who you are. Can you give them a synopsis? Yes, okay. Well from the entertainment side currently right now. I am working with drummer boy He is a Grammy award-winning producer. He is amazing, right? He's the hit master So I work with drummer boy. I work with Detroit Barbie. She's the up-and-coming artist out of Detroit But she's making a lot of moves. She's charting. She's doing it big I just signed on a client from the bad boys club the other day Big Lou he has some good projects coming out of course I am the publicist of the hip-hop fraternity then I have a couple couple a couple of corporate clients in there We have Derek automotive, which is the first black Electric car dealership here in Atlanta, Georgia and they manufacture any patent Technology for electric electric car. So that's one of our others Dorez the shine rich soul. Oh Goodness the list the list is long, but I'm grateful. I work with a few movie clients You got the urbans and the list is very long, but I'm grateful overall in my career I've helped about 200 plus people start businesses, but in the entertainment field I've helped about 15 clients in a year and also was awarded the PR of the year and I've only been doing it a year and a half. So congratulations. It's super great Yeah, that's a lot. I like it man. What do you think about that? Miss Jamaica? It sounds amazing. Sounds amazing I was doing fashion. I know and I was working with some celebrity guests And you guys had all this amazing stuff going on in Vegas though to be here and we both grown So so fast and a little bit of time. I'm honored man. We still own the clothing stores We still do that as well But you know at the end of the day, it's just a thing where you got to realize we're with AI too, right? Yes Oh, you're gonna. I do the guy the gentleman doc. Yes. I actually have another person here with us Doc, he has some amazing technology that just really helps your life a lot easier You have a corporate company. Yeah, so we work with IT and technology and again developing different software So yeah, we're also on that side of things. That's good. That's good I wanted to talk about the hotel that we're dealing with the VR with the young lady double-O and It's so many amazing things We're gonna be doing some amazing things at the metaverse you guys entities Digital museums making sure you're able to see and feel apart. It's all about giving you Interactive, you know how everything so interactive nowadays, right? You go into these games and you put the glasses on you're able to see so we want to create We're going to create a museum that's super interactive where you could come into and you could visualize But then there'll also be an online platform like a metaverse where you could see as well some of the interviews that we do You know, so you guys had your own space in there and people could probably watch your interviews and things So there's just some amazing things that we're cooking up with technology entertainment corporate and music We're integrating them all together. We're not gonna stop. We're not gonna stop guys. We're coming hard That's right.  He don't stop You know, I've seen so many different people that he brought on the platform and blessed them and showed them away and got I'm on the show man, you know, it's it's not easy to get on boss I'm gonna one it is you have to be chosen. It's very we're very selective on who we bring on this show and We do it for a reason because you know, I walk by the spirit first of all It's hard to just pick anything, you know, I mean, and it ain't about money.  We just don't really get out like that It's more about just picking the right people, you know, you guys are dope. You hang with this guy right here HHL man I'm gonna be honest with you. That's the whole game. You know what I'm saying So man, like when you first put HHF together I know I see told about how you guys when we was in Jersey how you guys came up with it Like was it was it something that you because you don't seem like you look back once you start moving forward on something You decide on it and you go at it man Like how has it been how's this journey being has it been everything that you thought it would be? Okay, the best is something I give you the hip-hop, you know, as you think a toddler Perry films, right? You think of him purchasing BT.  He's controlled it So I know that the word hip-hop, you know kind of came from New York and it was found, you know back in the day by Syria Robinson You know a big bank hank, you know, I'm saying and it's a couple more, you know theories on that, you know But we know that, you know Grandmaster flash was one of the founders of the word hip-hop hip-hop in the culture Then the culture kind of morphed into a business and you know We see a lot of people, you know, that's in control of the culture, you know Culture voters and they run, you know, they run the business so what I decided was I said first of all Let me lock down the business So the first thing I did was I locked the domain name down once I locked the domain name I locked the trademark down then I locked all the other things that was domain connected to the hip-hop fraternity Because if you don't she says the culture folks is what they do they go and purchase it So once we had the foundation set we had the plumbing where the electricity could electricity connected Then we start building up the stories. So the first story was the social media. The second story is You know the radio third story is the clothing. They went to the magazine.   So that's what you see going on with BET You know, that's what Tyler Perry is doing, but everything happened in succession. It was a chronological process You know, it wasn't just happening, you know So as you begin to see the HHF morph, it's gonna morph into a conglomerate.  You're gonna see various business Introduces it one thing I always teach you young brothers. I hope they get this. This will always tell people Hip-hop fraternity is a brand Nike is a brand. So you think a Nike think of Michael Jordan Serena Williams Tiger Woods Kobe Bryant Michael Jordan, right? These are brand extensions But when you go to Linux mall, you see what you see a Nike outlet. Yeah, you know, so all these are connected to the what the Everybody everything I just mentioned about the project is connected to the shield.  So that's what the hip-hop fraternity is It's a brand for us by us and if we don't take control of our culture Then you know somebody I remember I was in college many many years ago had to be about at least 30 years ago I was in college and They was talking about Jazz I was studying jazz. I was studying music and the professor said in 30 years If African-Americans is not careful Miles Davis would be white That's what he told me. He said that's how culture moves, you know, you think about have you ever Percy, Jr. For gotten jeans. Yeah, I look at a Percy, Jr. Percy, Jr. You know, they tried to steal one of his patents. So it would when you do patents, you know in chemistry, right? You got to have original Chemistry's got to be original original formula, right? So he created this formula But he purposely kept it all one degree. So when they stole it he knew they was gonna steal it when they stole it what Percy, Jr. He took him to court and this was a prestigious award and when you win this award Your name get plastered through the media out the media around the world You know, you get this big old plaque and everything so Percy, Jr. He purposely did that. He was playing chess not checkers. That's African-Americans. That's what we got to do We got to play chess not checkers. So when they went and they tried to argue the point He said okay test it when they test it. It didn't test properly. He gave them the actual Formula and it showed that he was the original maker of that formula But he was progressive and intelligent enough to know that he had to be sharp as a butcher knife He had to be the sharpest pencil and a pencil sharpener, you know, I'm saying so when we think about, you know Things like that we got to understand that people will steal our culture.  I mean I did almost a million No, I'm gonna ask you about and then I text you and I showed you what Tyrese said and and I was like man You know, I say Ken already said this I said What's his name said this as well a Columbus short, you know, y'all all them came on my show Most of them got on him too. Yeah But when you've seen this, you know, just going back to Boosie, you know, he goes on Vlad a lot You know, but now Stories are coming out and I don't know them to be true or not, but they're like Is he giving his information or is he working with them? I'm telling you what well, let me show you something, right? The first thing that Vlad placed on his own he posted it today Let me finish the first thing he posted with Boosie will not be getting out of jail The fairs giving him multiple gun charges. Yeah, though. He was prop now Here's the same man that helped him build his platform Boosie did all these interviews, you know He got him hot and now he gonna say still is saying free Boosie. He said Boosie got multiple charges You know, so Vlad is really out of pocket for that.  He didn't answer my phone call So, you know at the time I was young I told you about that.    Boosie was already scheduled to go on drink champs the week next the next week and go on to go in the 85 So with you and and on be high So how you gonna ask a man that signed to my literary agency? Do he know me and I'm study Senate in all interviews like I'm some kind of sucker You know me like I'm lying about this man and then when the man get on drink champs and say yeah Ken and Steve will gave me the book deal.      He's instigating our people to try to pit our people against each other now If I boost you would have said something negative towards me That would have created a wrench between me and him or boost you would have said son You see what happened with him and Tia? Well, he has Tyrese about yes He has boosted by Tyrese after he offered Tyrese $10,000 according to Allegedly according to Tyrese that if he would come on the show Tyrese turned to 10,000 down and then he asked Boosie, have you heard about this with Tyrese?  He's gonna try to inoculate that in the conversation to create this problem And that's the problem. I have what you've lied. You got to quit trying to cause confusion in our community Period and all my brothers and sisters, you know, if you want my opinion until he get it, right?  I thought you know the man was trying to you know straight some boys I said yeah, so he didn't let me on there.  So they do like man fly. I don't want the interview I'll take the interview you know send me so I mean that's to me.   But the only time you talk about me is when you action another person about you know Do is I'm telling the truth like Boosie that knew knew what was going on Boosie went there with me and pimps. He was there. So why would you ask Boosie? Is that true that ain't nothing that he should be asking Boosie do he know me and do Is it true that Pimkin got seen a sex tape? How would he know that? That's circumstantial.   I support you man.  Oh my gosh on the tip of my tongue Oh, man, but we did all his whole his whole campaign and we did a launch party at Tyrese's house Oh, yeah Cassim read please forgive me Cassim read we did a whole campaign when he ran for mayor and Tyrese was one of the people who supported Cassim read all the way through so wow always man, you know, like I said Vlad has and I got to be the you know, how you you go on to this other side He's been in the music industry DJ Vlad. This is what they call him and and I think that's the thing that ties him to The fact of he feels he can you know tall and then you got Charlemagne the god you got Different people who rock out with him, you know different people who support that, you know Like like I've seen them rock with him, but at the end of the day, I don't know how deep they in I don't know How any relationship go but I just know the people I see that rock with him, you know You know, we is a question to he said You were invited on the show, but it is he just it didn't falter No, they invite I send it to your husband, right? Me so you were gonna go on there, right?   I mean I check gangsters. You know, I'm saying I check killers every day You know send me so Vlad, you know, what is he to me?  Do you know what's going on in the black community? Do you know all the great things that we do and do you know about all the kids that we let perform for free? You know something but you want to talk about all this negativity?  I was there when he did a great You know grading Steve was my business partner. Yeah, so we bought grating on to Vlad Steve about grating on to Vlad I was there with him. We was in the room and Vlad was behind a camera. I looked at him on the camera What's up Vlad? You seem like he's seeing a ghost again. It's a Assistant at the time this before I made the comments his assistant of the time said say man black can want to call you So I talked to him. I said, so what's up, man?  You know what I mean? Hey, man, you know, I'm busy. That's what he said. I'm busy How are you not gonna interview Ken Ivy when I got you know, millions of Views on TV. I mean, I'm in the last in the last what say Maybe three four or five months. I'm probably did about 15 or 20 Interview 20 view 20 million views on you twos are better. So, you know, send me that's that's content for your for your platform But like I said, you know, he probably still traumatized from when I checked them I know Rick Ross had to go upside his head a couple times, you know And I know if I would have you know been a younger if I would have called if I probably went upside his head, too You know, I mean, I'm just being honest when I was 31 I would appeal Vlad head when I was 31, but you know, I'm much older now. So, you know, I wouldn't never wise You know, I would never do that, you know at this point in time But you know, you know at that time when I was a kid when I was on when Vlad, you know Didn't ask my phone call.   Yeah I told him on your shoulder. I want to talk to him. Yeah scared to talk and that did million views that that thing went crazy Man, so all I'm saying is man, you know at some point again When I when I put this together This was for us to be able to and it's growing like crazy Everybody from Carlos Miller you all of the people support me the guy just left her J You know different people they fly in Mike bless country Wayne people they fly in they love boss talk 101 You know and that's the big thing is that we do have a place to go You know what I'm saying? We do have a way to tell our story. I'm gonna put it on them just like that Yeah, you got big facts. You got you got all these people from beehive You got you got a lot and you've been on all of those man like of drink champs, you know at the end of the day Yeah, no job, but you went on there with him as well Plenty my boy. He was on the rest of his case late case. Yeah, and lover, you know, I'm saying this is 50 You know, I'm saying there's a Wendy Williams show and I don't I don't been on every Everything that I say should be news newsworthy because I've been on every major platform in the world Including CNN NBC all of that, you know, I'm saying so for a person to not want me on a show Especially when I'm doing something positive for the culture, let me know they have to be a culture voucher You know, I hear Damon dad say these things I hear people say these things, you know towards other people and I really don't know their business But I can personally say that Vlad the things that he do and the way that he was able to Get money and pay certain artists that buildings show it actually kind of killed the game It made other people that was of less statute people who had podcasts who couldn't afford to bring these same artists On there it made it difficult for them to get those are real good interviews.    I've never come on I've never charged anybody. I'll come people come on all of these different platforms for free, right? but because of what happened because of the moves that Vlad made it made it difficult for Artists that's of less that you to come and promote themselves I remember when the time when you can just hire your publicist and they can contact these platforms And these platforms had a charge happy to have you on there.  You said they charge, you know And of course, you know rightfully so because a lot of these platforms is making money, but you know Vlad is the he's the catalyst for that He's the main reason why a lot of artists won't come on these shows these shows I and it'll be honest with you you make money, but at the end of the day, you have to apply the pressure Ain't nobody just out here. I know the game now. I wasn't in a game at first But you know, I really was sharp, you know, I'm saying when they come down to hustling and figuring things out So when I look at the game now, you know, the algorithm or YouTube different platforms that they scale in back Instagram don't even pay anymore. So it's things like that to show you that they've they're shine back But you have to be creative enough to make sure that you able to stand in your brain is able to go further by creating other avenues whether it be patreon all these other different avenues you use to try to figure out a way to Even on Instagram you can and I say this for my listeners. You can get people to Become members of your channel and they'll pay monthly for what I was a month So this is the thing that our people should be pushing out when they push in there Can I start the right quick? Can I say something? Vlad TV? Look at me. Look at me. Let me take my glasses. Look at me, Vlad Look at me. I Dare you to do a free boo-sie. I dare you do a free boo-sie campaign.    I'm saying free boo-sie.   I do not want to come on your show I don't care for what circumstance for what reason because you're not right brother You know send me what you did the boo-sie was out of order You know saying for you to put that post up talk about boo-sie got more charges That was definitely out of order and it just says it's as Eager as you was to have him on your show and to get your ratings up You should have been just as eager to see that man free. That's right man. Hey, man I think he's beat so much. Wow.  Come on now. The press is so important So important, I just like I say man, thank you guys for coming on the channel man So Taylor, how can how can people get a hold of you if they're trying to reach out? Oh, super busy right now? Thankful, thankful thankful, but my Instagram is I am Taylor Frusel. That is I am T-A-Y-L-O-R-F-R-U-C-E-L as soon as you type in I am Taylor grateful to usually pop up at the top You can also text me. I have a business number. You can text me anytime. It is<PHONE_NUMBER> and you can also go to the hip hop fraternity calm and see what we have up and coming for the boo-sie I'm making of the autobiography of a celebrity featuring iced tea boo-sie and so many others again I am Taylor fruit sale on Instagram and you can also go to the hip hop fraternity calm man also I mean, it was just I'm gonna go back a little bit into this bled thing Please do So glad this and man because you've made a hell of a challenge here on this show You're saying that you know Glad I seen the post too, but I really you know, I didn't think into it But I just more thinking about freeing him, you know, nobody let when he gonna get out You know, this may have got kids, you know what I'm saying He beat death row, but what you think about his kid like like what it was a little too long So good That's right. It's gonna be a trip just trying to maneuver while his father's it's gonna mess with he might act out You might not but it's a chance because he he values father so much so much. They was together on the breakfast club That's what people are not thinking about you're not thinking about he you stripping this man from his empire He's so many people he take care of so many people so many new artists is on it on his on his label I gotta think about that these they don't think about that They just I can see the comments coming now. They're gonna be like well, he's gonna have that gun. I can't Talk about it But yeah, but I just had to say that because I know what's coming when we say all of these great things Okay, look at it like this, right, you know, you think about, you know, your decisions, right in life, right? Everybody got two decisions, you know, I'm saying very got two choices.  You know, I mean because who You know, make a law Which is the law which I'm gonna talk about more definitely that takes boozey to jail Who makes that law other than a person who must be planning to incarcerate somebody now? This is something I will talk about. Ain't it ironic? Do y'all find it to be ironic that the state of San Diego, California, San Diego, California dropped the charges and thereafter The past was there to incarcerate him and then the media was right around the corner. Yeah So they plan to do that. You see that all the time in movies where because they want the feds to pick it up They have to drop it in order for them to do it But one thing that we're gonna talk about in the next session Mr. Maker is that a lot of people don't understand is that the minute That he was in that car if he came a federal case and I'm gonna talk about that more in depth But you know, I'm saying that's what young people need to know I wanna hear these challenge one more time. What was the challenge again my challenge To you play the live TV. This is my challenge to you.  This is the OG call. You know, so this is a OG call straight up out of Milwaukee you know, I'm saying and a lot of people know me from the streets and y'all know I'm talking directly to the streets You know not to people, you know who may not understand what's going on If you just a civilian and you're a regular person, you want to watch flat TV? That's your prerogative I'm not asking those people. I'm talking about but the people that's out there in the gutter like booze That's out here in the mud getting out the mud and not up under the rug But out the mud you understand me in this game so deep that you got calling your shoes in the morning to get up Hmm. I'm talking about chalk. I'm talking about the people you understand me who really really really really packed They feed on the culture. Yeah, the culture stop following Vlad if he don't usher a free booze video campaign Wow, man, that's that's it I don't know now free booze. See let's go Hey, thank you guys for coming on the show man. Hey man check it man It's been another great segment of boss talk 101 what a boss is talk and we out


Good morning ladies and gentlemen. So our first session today is all about the future of participation at wikimania And we have Yolanda and Martin and Phoebe and Maché and Nangara just to go through the discussion. So over to them So we have one hour to talk about the future of wikimania. We certainly don't have enough time so this is obviously just a glimpse and we thought of organizing this session basically by Focusing on two issues. The first one is relevance. So why wikimania is relevance? Also, there have been a Increasing number of events in the wikimedia movement. Why wikimania in itself Is significant? What can be its impact and its specific impact? Of course, we start from the idea that wikimania has value. This is the starting point But obviously we need to make it as significant as possible The second issue is related to participation as scholarship. Not everybody can attend wikimania This is the reality scholarship are limited and it is an important topic because Scholarship also determine who participate or who cannot participate in the event The idea is we're gonna have a 10 minutes introduction. So I'm just gonna show you few slides Just to make sure that we are all on the same page related to the basic information We do a round of presentation and also some point of view of The people here on stage and then we're just gonna get the town from the stage to actually discuss with you What's your opinion and what you think about the event and also if you have any proposal and any idea related to those topics? So first of all the location wikimania is an international event It took place in different parts of the world and there is a willingness of Organizing wikimania in different area of the world the fact of changing location every year Creates a complexity. So that's not an obvious thing But it's also something that we believe is an added value of the event. So that is how it happens Throughout time also the venue that hosted wikimania varied throughout time We had quite a few university involved, but also conference center cultural center hotels Venues that sometimes are easier than others. Obviously in organizing the event and Lastly the number of attendees in general, there is an average number of 800 people participated in the event with Few events that had a greater number. So Around 1,400 participants, but they're quite exceptional in general the average number is 800 participants With an event that is mostly in English. Sometimes there have been some translations some possibility of having other other moments sessions in different languages, but it's quite predominant the English characteristic of wikimania You can find some more information on meta. There is a Comparative page. Also, if you want to add the information about previous wikimania, that would be precious to update those information From an organizational point of view the wikimania steering committee Is the group of people the volunteers that are past organizer and people that have been engaged in previous wikimania And they have the role of advocating for wikimania but also selecting the locations and supporting the organizer of current wikimania At the moment also we are thinking about how to enlarge the team So you're also welcome if you would like to join the committee or you would like to also Suggest the other members of the committee, please do not hesitate to contact us We also we are also in the definition of the next wikimania So 2024 has been selected and we are currently working on 2025 and 2026 So we are be changing the system to allow people to have more time to organize wikimania So this is just an update and I leave the floor to the others Yes, I would like also maybe you can also state your position also about Hello, I'm Martin from Berlin Germany but also very interested in international topics and for that reason I've been member or organizer of the scholarship committees over the past couple of years and to make participation possible to wikimania to get diverse group and There was always doing this together with others and this year is with Nangara So that people from around the world can attend wikimania and have a fair selection process while still knowing that We cannot make everyone happy and there has to be some kind of selection because there is a limitation of budget and Of course, we're here to look for your feedback What could be improved and Yeah, so I'm Adding over to the next one super. Thanks And thanks for all your work Martin on scholarships. It's amazing. My name is Phoebe airs. I have Been to all of the wikimanias, but one I helped organize the program for wikimania 2006 and then 10 years later for wikimania 2017 And I've helped out with other parts of the organization for several others And I am currently vice chair of the steering committee and Have been for a number of years. We've been on the steering committee together. Yolanda and I So, you know, I really believe in making wikimania both an accessible Experience to attend and also to organize and participate in And I'm happy to talk about like what we think the future of this global event for us should be Thank you Hi, my name is machi and I'm a relative newbie to the movement in regard to my fellow colleagues here on stage I've started editing 2016, but really joined the movement in 2019 just before the covid pandemic I've actually planned to go to Bangkok originally, but it wasn't possible and Here I'm representing the co-organizing team for 2024 for the next wikimania that is scheduled to happen in Krakow in Poland. Thank you Hi, I'm Nengarra This is actually the third wikimania I've worked on And you can say probably will be the last after dropping the marker fight I've been on the steering committee for a little while I worked on Bangkok, which we never got off the ground because of Some little bug that no one could see and I worked on 2021 I got to help with the create the online experience and How we were going to do that and of course finally we're back here in Singapore, which Has been an amazing journey and as Martin alluded to I Pretended to be in charge of the scholarships while Martin did all the work and now Gisgar is doing all the work for us Back here, yeah, it wasn't working Maybe we can start with the relevance so Would you like maybe to start answering? So what do you think is the relevance of wikimania? So if you would like to share your opinion, and then I'm just going to go down and collect other hints and ideas Can anyone help us with an etherpad to take some notes? So thank you very much fantastic. Yeah, there's microphones or they should be microphone Yeah, coming down to the things if you want to move out there to ask any questions So first question relevance, so why should we do it? Why it is important? What do you think makes it different from other events and what can bring to the movement specifically? If you want to maybe do around them and then I'm just gonna go okay Well, we get people moving to ask questions I think one of the big important things is that personal contact the chance meeting in corridors listening to speech or talk That you wouldn't normally switch on to When it was online or by itself people would only go to the things that Interest them and caught their attention. Whereas now when you're in person You know walking into a room to listen or staying around after One talk to and hearing another and suddenly new ideas come along. I think that's such a valuable part of the experience For me wikimania Is relevant as it allows people from multiple communities regional countries to find that I get to know together I've came to the movement in a Pretty weird time when everything moved online late 2019 early 2020 And it's been quite hard to accomplish and even get to know many people Around here because they've all known each other for the last 10 20 15 years wikimania In just the last four days allowed me and many of my friends to meet people that they would never probably normally meet Because there is no reason for me to go to country X and people from country X to go to Poland But they may meet at some wikimania. They may work together. They may start some cooperation together And it removes the barriers between us It's quite easy to say that we no longer need these type of events when Someone just saw already everything knows everyone and have done everything But it removes those barriers for those people that are just now trying to get into the movement Know the people and start collaborating I'm so glad you had that experience this week, right? Like I think that's what we hope for in wikimania I think that has been true for many of us at wikimania is that we have met people that we then Not just became colleagues with but became personal friends with right or or informed this kind of community that last year over year over year it's I Think many of us have had this experience of seeing people for the first time after four years who we also know very well and have Seen online right and it's Amazing to see people in person. I think wikimania Provides that it also provides Elena would speak to this I think a way to do outreach in your local community to talk about like wikipedia is actually people right like there are people behind the scenes and This is who we are. This is what we look like You too can be a wikipedia right for people who just might encounter the conference in their community their place It also provides a way I believe very strongly You can test this out for me next year For people to become involved in the movement in a different way through organizing the event right through producing thing for Your colleagues your peers you can Contribute in a very particular way Yeah in times of Carbon footprint discussions everywhere and Such it's it's really tough to to think of a conference global conferences where everyone has to fly tens of hours including myself and So I also always often think in the last years should we really have wikimania should we really have wikimania Once a year maybe twice a year there many great conferences and related to smaller communities or to continents and Definitely a discussion we can have how often wikimania should take place But it's really the only place where you can meet people from around the world and see their projects I give them visibility and Start conversations so for me it's more like networking event then Having sessions because sessions we can also deliver online. It's it's talking with people and Seeing what's going on around the world and that's Given why wikimania Well, I'll say you standing out there with a question Okay, so I'll be wearing two hats first is the Being the Singapore organa Singapore wikimania organizer and at the same time a volunteer So we have two major topics here is the future of wikimania and then also the participation First for the future. This is not a question The feedback that I got on 2019 they mentioned Stock home is the best wikimania ever so That fuels my motivation to keep all my notes and for the past three years and That's what we see right now So this it's a great collaboration of the Asia people get all the ideas By the way, the idea of the karaoke is from our Australian colleagues and then the end of Korean colleagues and then Another is from other Members of the Asia people. Okay, so my second point is regarding the scholarships. Okay Nothing personal. I don't want to mention a specific scholar, but I've been receiving a lot of queries regarding this because There are questions about term limits on the regional grants committees term limits on the board of trustees, so Is there any possibility despite there is a meritocracy regarding the scoring system of the scholars that we should be limiting the frequent flyers from attending wikimanias in Full scholarship If you agree, we can maybe collect some other in so on also the relevance and then move to the scholarships So also we give us some explanation on how a structure at the moment and then Moving forward with the discussion. So is there any Idea concept you want to share about the relevance or how we can make it more relevant wikimania to me For example, time is a very important element so having time to prepare for wikimania having a Selection that is well ahead of time makes a real difference because it allows to organize local events Also, the preparation to the event allows also to bring attention to the region to the area And it allows also to have a broader impact in the territory So I think that is an element that we are considering also for the future and that cannot A systemic element that can bring something more. I think there were someone rising ahead Layla, please First of all, thank you so much for being on the steering committee and organizing wikimania It's a lot of work behind the scenes in terms of relevance I think for me I want to just double down and it resonates with me that it's an event that removes some of the barriers that exist For us for example, we focus on specific projects specific regions sometimes specific languages So all of those except the challenge of language basically are almost removed for wikimania So we get a lot of exposure to different things that are happening across the movement One question that I have is how much we want to remove this barrier and connect to other Entities that can be in the open free knowledge ecosystem So for example, we see of course creative comments being relatively presence in in this wikimania And this is great Are there other entities that we want to create bridges with and remove and lift the barriers that we have through an event such as wikimania? Thank you Do you want to I check do you want to respond? Yes So Please note if I heard you're right as we are having a bit of a trouble of Hearing the questions on stage because the speakers here are working So if I understand correctly the second part of your question was regarding opening wikimania for outside cooperation And incorporating those organizations a bit more Imagining creative commons so I can be collaboration with other networks open-street map So Without disclosing too much information this is being taken very much into the consideration and While I still have the mic I wanted to add one point of Relevance to what butch mentioned before at the mic about wikimania being organized as the original Attent we've seen last year this being pioneered during the online edition where we have people at the CUT from many Many different countries that have most likely never worked before this year is the first in person wikimania organized by people from all across the world Living in all the countries in the region and some of them even outside of it And Our wikimania we also try to bring the whole region and I can see a big benefit here a big exercise in the capacity and Trust each other in bringing the event that not only one country one organization can connect to like it was done in the past But in different times done to our movement that is growing and connecting and our regional hubs our general cooperatives are growing I have also seen that the French affiliate while mentioning their expression of interest has also expressed the interest of working with the entire francophone community I hope that in the future will see a bit more of wikimania bringing this international cooperation into the event into all Into all of the actions surrounding it as this I think maybe one of the most Important and most relevant thing that wikimania can bring to the movement It can take out of out of our silos out of out of our normal Co-operations out of our normal group of friends that we know all and we have always worked and maybe we'll finally start talking to each other to add on this I think we achieved The regional collaboration is the alpha was already something new in the dynamic We've been talking for many years about collaborating or joining Events with creative commons doing something together with open-street map So combining events you never really worked. So we never reached that point So it has always been one of the top possibilities, but we never actually happened So it is something that maybe if we want to plan it we need to start planning and now So that is something that we can definitely consider But we need to start a more official negotiation and we didn't do it yet Even if they're being always an openness and a willingness so but more a blah blah rather than actually Please I have one singular question Sorry, I have a single question to Marche after I make my comment I think that wikimania is immensely important as a networking enabler For the future because Marche seriously you've been editing since 2016 17 Do you think you would be here if you didn't come personally to wikipedia's 18th birthday back in 2019? Hello hello. Yeah, Vojtek is talking that actually my first contact wikipedia's was me just finding about wikimedia Poland's Party for wikipedia's 18th birthday. Yeah, I thought that your first in person experience Yes, I've heard about the event in the morning And I just decided to go there after work to this day People are making fun of me for appearing at the wikimedia event wearing a suit and a shirt and a tie Come on. It was birthday Yes, but I would say that Without coming to this event and then just a couple of weeks later to wikimedia, poland general assembly I would not be sitting here. I would not be a board member to commedia Europe I would not be organizing wikimania. You would be online probably you would still be online. I don't think so This was like the push I needed to get like involved into more than just adding commas. Okay, hands up for Marche I think that's I think that's wonderful and an experience we all have whether it's a local meet-up or regional meet-up or a thematic meet-up or wikimania itself Those in-person connections are what keep keepers coming back what drivers to go past the Two or three years of this is fun. Let's edit a little bit Once you start talking to people and making friends in real life. You really do keep Ongoing and that was the same for me. You know first edited in 2005 first meet-up was in 2007 that drove me along first wikimania was in 2012 and at that stage I was having some issues with some things and kind of yeah Do I stay do I go and That time in Washington was amazing. I met a lot of amazing people and I stuck Yes, thank you so much for for all the work you're doing both in this year and Wikimania Okay, I'll talk a little louder. Thank you I was wondering for all the people that are watching and that are wondering should I Apply to organize wikimania in the future. What would you tell to a community that is considering to apply to? To enter a bid why should they do it because the international benefits are obvious But what do you what do you get out of it as a local community and what? Conditions do you need to meet as a local community not to not destroy yourself in the process? Yes, that's a great question. That's a set of questions right those are different questions What could you consider I think the people are the most important element Do you have people who want to run a wikimania with you right? This is not a solo endeavor It's very difficult to run anything by yourself, but it's impossible to run a conference like this by yourself. I will say The foundation the wikimedia foundation is here for you This is an event that is co-produced with the local community and the wikimedia foundation and You know all these logistics and things like that. We're not expecting Local groups to do all of this by yourself, right? Yeah Foundation has been absolutely Fantastic with their support over the last couple of years, and it's really making a difference So I don't think people should worry that like oh, I've never booked a convention center Like who has booked a convention center before right we we can help you with those things But what you do need is an enthusiastic local group who wants to wants to you know host Wants to be up here on stage and wants to make a program wants to showcase your local place Wants to bring people to their home city, you know poor steering committee has been hearing from me since 2012 let's go to Perth. Let's go to Perth. Let's go to Perth. I'll help with Bangkok There I'll help get involved. Just keep persisting. We are hearing it for sure There is also however, there are things that are out of anyone's control At least anyone here in this room perhaps Things like how easy is it to obtain a visa to your country, right? I live in the United States We all know it's very very very difficult to get a visa to the United States from many many countries in the world Because we want to be a global Conference because we want everyone to participate as to the greatest extent possible We think about visas a lot on the steering committee as Nangara and folks know You wanted to comment about I Wanted to comment about the other part of the question of what it brings to the community. What's like the Let's not call it the benefit because everything comes with costs and everything comes with costs and Profits for the lack of better words. I would say that for our community in the city. It already brought First of all a lot of energy a lot of happiness Wikimedia is coming to our region for the first time in almost 15 years at the moment Our community heard that Wikimedia will happen in Krakow. They were ecstatic And I hope that later today will be able to share with you one of the things they started created just that I Can already see that this is a big exercise in capacity for the organizing chapter or organizing people This is a big event and From what I've heard for this year and from what I hope for next year It won't be a crashing mountain coming on the local community We've already experienced a lot of support from the foundation a foundation has dedicated an amazing team of staff To help us to train us people that are specialized in our region like local movement comm specialists People that have event management experience people that have been Working on these types of events almost all of their professional life And I hope that all of people in our team not only the main COT, but up to The volunteers that will only help us for a few hours during the event They will learn a lot of things not only about Wikimedia, but also about trust and safety finance management event management I can see every volunteer working at Wikimedia learning something that will help them elsewhere I'll say two more thing just a little bit more before Yolanda you should jump in also on this question We also think you mentioned come into your region We think about going to different regions, right? We don't want the conference to be always in the same place certainly not the same country, but also You know time zones like we want people to be a shorter flight for People at least some years, right? Here's the thing though. There's a lot of places in the world, right? There's a lot of places that we would love to have this conference that would love to host this conference and So it's not like a perfect rotation, right? There's not a plan where it will go to Certain countries in this order, but we do think about moving around, right? So Wikimedia is in different places and The last thing I want to say about that is Wikimedia is not our only event In the movement, right? And I'm curious what you all think about this, but One thing that often local groups Who are interested in running event end up doing is running perhaps a more regional conference and getting that experience and seeing what it's like to run a conference and Often I find a lot of value in the regional conferences that we have Because often people can come to those who can't fly around the world to Singapore, you know So Wikimedia is not the only thing that you can plan to run if you want to run a conference in Wikimedia Okay, but I think and we need also to move to the participation, which is the other topic of our discussion as we were mentioning at the beginning we're talking about a conference that has a Limited capacity the reality is scholarship have been given throughout time But maximum 500 people have benefited somehow the scholarship there are scholarship from the Wikimedia Foundation other chapters Sometimes participants can attend also with funds from their institution or research units but the reality is that participation obviously is not That democratic and there are criteria also to select the scholarship Maybe Martin can introduce the system that have been used this year And we can answer also the question of which are related to regions, please Yeah So scholarship process is more or more less like that There is an application form So Wikimedia Foundation scholarships Just to be clear There's an application form that asks for your relevant experience and the way you want to share your information on Wikimedia how you want to participate and this year we got more than three thousand applications and Had to figure out the valid ones and the the ones of active contributors with at least 50 edits there was a bit of screening If there's where concerns raised before to Wikimedia Foundation, and we ended up with 1200 valid application applications 1200 people who would definitely enrich this conference who has applied for a scholarship and Then there was a jury in the each year There's a jury that gives scores on Special criteria that was Over the past couple of years state more or less the same was changed a bit for this year and Out of these we got Around 120 to 150 people There's a ratio for each Region of the world and this is always Sat by the local COT To Get the right people to the conference. Of course, we know that there in some regions chapters affiliates provide more scholarships. So it's the number Yolanda was mentioning from other organizations and For this year, particularly we were looking into diversity of countries who participate so we took the results from the jury process in phase two and Try to Get as many countries as possible Here still basing on the scores Should it be directly into butch's question like participation No, no, I remember the question that's fine, so but it do you still want to hear me, okay? Sorry Martin could butch ask the question because I don't believe I don't think I can I can yeah, okay, okay, so By the way What like to give a little refer also on how Krakow got the announcements a little bit early Because the I'm also wearing a regional grants committee hat So we just need to make sure that if in case is an affiliate It's interested to send out their own scholars that they know how to plan it effectively on their annual plan That's why did they have their own scholarships and Planet accordingly so Mike the question that I have earlier is this is a very burning question that I receive each and every Wikimedia and also with this Wikimedia why this X person had been in Wikimedia for X number of years already For free. He's already They joke on me if you already he already or she already got X number of flyer miles I'm going to Wikimedia For of course subsidized by the foundation So we also receive some feedback that there's they request term limits on grand committees Board of Trustees why not scholars also have some term limits that they have a Certain limit of number of times that they could attend Wikimedia until they get another chance to get a scholarship Beyond the meritocracy process that we have Yeah, I think one of the things that we considered starting and spoke about with the scholarship process for Singapore was that It had been four years or it would have been four years since we were last all together in person And I think to panelize someone and say well bad luck you went to stock on four years ago And like the rest of the community have done amazing things since You can't go now. It may be that we can look crack our will look at it next year differently Because it's only going to be eight or nine months Is it eight or nine months between now and about July next year 11 months, okay? My maths isn't all that good when I've only got one hand to counter And They will look at it differently to say look you had that opportunity a lot more recently Maybe you don't get the next opportunity next year and we look to bring new people in But it's always a balance of we need experience people in the room as much as we need New people in the room because if we bring everyone that's never been before Then we have no one to share their experience and learn from Martin Yeah, so this question is of course a very important one and it's not raised for the first time obviously However, I Feel a bit like the only constant since 2012 on that so I've been on the scholarship committee and In various roles for the past couple of years Co-lead or scholarship committee member etc. It's really it really depends on how much time you can spend on improving things When it comes to thousands of applications So for this time we had to spend a lot of time on the tool to actually get people Scored by the jury and we also had to find people to To Help scholars after they get selected I'll share Insights what changing hats now as well I'm also working for Wikimedia Deutschland and I'm there the delegation Lead for the German scholars is so Wikimedia Deutschland gives additional scholarships and at that place I could already change some of the Criteria to get a more diverse group to the conference I'm convinced that we we definitely have to have both Things we have new we have to have new cumbers at Wikimedia, but we also have to have people here Who are experienced community leaders who? Who are organizers of big events? and and and have special knowledge on that and There's we also have to have a system how to get them to Wikimedia and Wikimedia Deutschland we have a percentage for new Applicants and for returning applicants that was the first step and we tried to We tried that out and we found out that it's still more people Applying who have been to a Wikimedia of course it makes sense you now know how this conference works So it's much much easier for you to Answer the questions in the Application form because you know oh it's about networking at their sessions. I can participate that way Of course, we can try to to make newbies more aware of How the conference looks like but we learned for Wikimedia Deutschland that this is not enough and for that reason We tried out for the first time in 2019 a system. We've called tandem scholarships so instead of giving an equal number of scholarships to new and returning scholars we are Giving a limited number to returning scholars, but additional scholarships with tandem partners. So there's based in Germany who Made friends or contacts At previous Wikimedia's and still want to work on these topics they can apply for tandem scholarships with people from outside of Northwest, South Europe and of course This comes along with other questions like bringing your own friends once again to Wikimedia, but It's still I think at least a bit fairer more fair to To do that way To to actually those who know already about Wikimedia to give them some extra task to do that It's logistical impossible to do that for hundreds of scholars at For Wikimedia foundation scholarships, but I'm very open to work on that however there has to be some group that definitely wants to work on scholarships and It has always been more or less that Another person and I were doing the scholarships. They disappeared a new one showing up for next Wikimedia and there We were talking about being exhausted after the conference, etc. So We have to find a way to actually work on this in a committee Please all right So by the way, I was one of the members of the scholarship committee It was very interest to seeing the a lot of applications It is hard to evaluate seriously with the Just for the text that they're providing and providing just a score with that I know some some peers. I know in the applications. They had a significant coming KK I mean the committee engagements has been denied even because of like because this is kind of the limitation That's what I believe Okay, so what I was feeling is with this at the what I was hearing from the conversation is kind of the Abilities can be having more perspective to like the evaluate the sending the Better like the scholars and whoever is part of the committee member from their community can be joining us at the Wikimedia I know Wikimedia Dutch land or like the large affiliates They can possible to send scholarship by their budget But like the what I was thinking on our side is so many affiliates are feeling like they're like having limitation to apply the grants Because if they want to sending like for example like the one to two scholarship It is like kind of having like the two three thousand to four thousand dollar increase on budget. So like it is going to be I know Dutch land is going to be very small of a tiny increase But like the some ability is going to be like the huge parts of the increase on the budget So it's like kind of what I was thinking was probably the providing the support and like the Foundations of engagement with the those kind of stops for the opportunity to provide opportunities as well with the cooperation of local affiliates That's what I was thought. Thank you so young to Yeah To comment a bit on what you mentioned and fortunately I don't think it would be the place of this year's organizers next year's or any future organizers to the directly But I can see a place for Wikimedia organizers to coordinate With the affiliates in their need of grant increases It is not for us to say whether it should be done or not. There is a grant process But uh, I know that certain regional grant officers have worked in the past with Their respective affiliates to allow for that after the pandemic A bit has changed, but I hope that affiliates will be able to send more people to Wikimedia as this only benefits all of us I wanted to come back also to what butch mentioned about the questions being asked by people who are attending wikimedia frequently I've had some discussion about it with some people here at wikimedia and before And This is a tough not to crack Because there are certain people that have attended wikimedia for years now Some of their own expense and we cannot prohibit that some have attended many multiple wikimanias Yeah, you banned me from wikimedia because I've been to chimini. No well No, but there are people who receive scholarships for multiple years but Without any real Proof of systemic failure or without more data I wouldn't want to comment on setting any process like for example saying you can only attend two out of every four wikimanias And that's all because in some way it would be penalizing people that still work and continue to work in certain areas I'm quite well known in the polish wikimedia community for telling A bit more experience community members that I do not consider past Actions towards wikimedia as valuable as current ones And I'm against people coming to wikimania for things they did 10 15 years ago because quite frankly Nobody cares or at least I don't But if there is a person that still continues to work continues to contribute continues to grow their projects I don't think they should be penalized just because they are good at their job Although we have to find a way that also allows people that only started contributing And are now only starting their projects to appear as well because it is very extremely hard to Be in competition with someone who's done a project 15 years in a row and a person that just started last year Yeah, it is a difficult thing to assess people It's never something that a wikimedia would find comfortable to say your work is better than someone's else Sorry, I'm didn't I also want to thank you for your work And the rest of the team that did the review process it was Just amazing how you got through 1200 applicants looking at them and Yeah, I'm just astounded by and thankful for You guys doing it because I was able to sit back and just read the end results On that we changed and had a scale we did focus On a point system that was a lot more expanded And when reviewing we wanted links to what people had done And we want we asked the reviewers to look for people that have been doing stuff and being active in the last 12 18 months at the time they did the review we were looking for people that were Really creating something and doing something in the post pandemic We weren't looking for people that were Riding on the coattails of the story they've created Five years ago or 10 years ago. You had to be active I think that's our biggest challenge is Finding the people that are doing the work and getting the message to them to actually apply especially new people because we really do miss Those people not by choice But because they don't know And whereas all the old hands know that Hey, look Wikimanias coming up. We'll know the scholarship process Is going to come soon crack how you've got to think about it I've heard rumors they want us to open the scholarship process Next week Or are you going to have a rest first? Well, maybe not first week. We actually have Kaby sitting in the audience with us She will be running the scholarship process But we remain committed to starting the process much earlier this year. Maybe not next week Let's give us at least 10 days But it is our goal to have the decisions on scholarships ready in the early weeks of next year So we want to give at least five to six months to people to apply for visas that they will need to visit Poland We have a please boot. Okay, so By the way, this is not my personal Opinion but this is based on the feedback that I'm receiving Is there any way a An applicant have a feedback mechanism because I receive one wikimaniyan Who had been attend who attend wikimanias, Singapore for the first time after five attempts So he didn't know what what did he got it this time It could be a lottery or something because they don't know at what point on the questions They got it right this year and didn't get last three attempts There's really no right or wrong answers when you apply. It's what you're doing But it's also what everyone else is doing and We got 1200 applicants We come down to 200 people that we decided on back March, April, May Um, it's hard to give immediate feedback because we've got to focus on getting those people here The visa process the letters all that organizational stuff is Attracts our attention, but We also don't want you comparing yourself to other people Everyone's doing an amazing job The fact that you weren't able to be in the room and you're watching online Doesn't mean you're not doing anything great. It just means that our limited opportunities Yeah, um, just to clarify my question. This is not compared to the other scholar is they're comparing To their own application previously. So, uh, they would like to know Is there any way for me to improve my Scholarship application in the future because this this this is the same way that we're doing in uh grant applications If in case they found out that the application is really terrible There is a way a different staff who would be doing that feedback mechanism mechanism for Uh, a grant applicant to make their application better. So again, we don't want to burden the Existing scholarship committee to do this role. Yeah Everyone's wants to jump in here. Um, I'm quickly going to say is what the people we wanted for singapore You could improve your application for singapore for next year, but it isn't in singapore. It's in crack hour They'll have a whole different type of criteria next year There isn't A right or wrong answer. There isn't a big learning experience on how you feel it in Oh, and So, yeah, it's more or less like Most of the years past years. I was doing the more or less maintenance around scholarships and the selection criteria has always Been coming from the CUTs be it in Uh diverse like ratios for the regions like The composition of regions, etc. So you could have also given and butch a criteria on newcomers to wikimanias or Your turning attendees and we would I would have processed that but if I don't get that information like this and and Can I also add something What is also frustrating is that we decline a lot of scholarship of people that actually deserve a scholarship So that is the scenario we are in so there are great people great contributor But we don't have enough slot. So the reality is that then we introduce other criteria We try to have people coming from different countries Representative of different topics. So there are plenty of other criteria But simply because we don't have enough scholarship for everybody And we don't have enough scholarship for everybody that deserves a soft scholarship That makes it a situation that is a bit complicated also for this. So it's not that uh, uh, scholarship are declined because Among the 1000 scholarship that were selected. They already passed the first phase of uh, so they were all eligible So we're talking about a very wide number and we can only accept 10 percent I would like also to encourage you if you're interested in being part of the scholarship committee Because it is also an incredible experience. So you have in front of you A portrait of the community is one of the few chances in which you have people telling you about themself What they do how they are active and it is quite a beautiful experience to actually see from behind the scene How the community is working what they are doing. So it is uh, really a great I think it's quite touching sometimes I remember in one of the scholarship committee somebody said but this is not a participant. This is a hero He was in the evaluation criteria because you have really amazing people working in the community So it is also something that uh, well, it's a volunteer task It's quite a long one because of the number of application But please apply if you can provide some time Also to this uh, this kind of contribution to wikimania Yeah, we've got another question. Sorry And then we only have a few minutes left. So I think yeah one question and then we'll wrap up. Yeah Hi I came from india. So there are quite a few self-funded participants from southern part of india and I'm taking a consulted feedback from them. So they say that not many wikimidians who are doing great Yeah So many wikimidians who spoke to me They are saying that not many wikimidians who are doing great work Can have an art of writing a good scholarship application They're struggling with writing a good scholarship application. They don't know what are the things that they they can highlight What are the things that are relevant to scholarship committee? They think in nice ways sometimes like it is hard for them And they also think in their own regional languages not in english and it is very difficult for them to articulate in a way that it is Cutting the whole yeah Of course if The scholarship committee would have already been found and Would not have to be found each year again And we would have to look for tools again again We could spend more resources on helping people writing their application They wear some some attempts on that I remember 2014 that Handbook more less was written for that But it's not up to date of course so My suggestion is looking at wikimidia foundation here maybe to consider um a standing scholarship committee so that it's like the wiki mania steering committee so that some of these things that consume time Would be reduced so that We could focus more on things like how to write applications and such They simply not that time right now because of the process how it is designed right now Which is why we are talking here. We have another question, but it's just one minute left Sure, not a question actually. Hi everyone. My name is kelsey. I'm from the wikimidia foundation It's been really exciting Because you see so many people here at the session this morning who are excited about and invested in the future of wikimania My request for all of you is later today in your email inboxes You'll receive a link to fill out the survey for wikimania 2023 we look at this survey as a large part of our event evaluation And you can share your feedback there as a way of really helping us improve wikimania for future years So please and thank you for taking the time today to share your feedback Yep, and you know, they need that survey for the funding to show like wikimania matters to us wikimania matters to the foundation wikimania matters to the community. So Thank you all for coming. I know that there's lots of former organizers out there also the other members of the steering committee current organizers future organizers talk to us There wasn't a lot of time for discussion which we were hoping for so definitely talk to us as Over today over email over going forward There will be calls for participation for scholarships committee for program committee for maybe other committees Maybe maybe So get involved with that. We will put out a call also for people who are interested in joining The wikimania steering committee later on this year Thank you all for coming Thank you Thank you to our panelists. Um, just for everyone in the audience We have snacks anti and coffee served downstairs on the concourse and our next session with ashley boyd is at 1115


So dear students, this module is in addition to our continuation of the previous module. In the previous module, we were talking about how do we make an application connect to the database? What type of solutions do we have at our disposal to make that connection to the database? Of course, there are many, many techniques and tools and technologies are there. And we have to focus on the ones which are more relevant for us. Let me first give you an overview of this module and then we'll go into more details. And I will also talk about the strength and the weaknesses and the shortcoming and the issues of the two techniques that we will be discussing in this module techniques or the methodologies. So we'll talk about the template driven approach. Okay. And we'll talk about the GUI graphical user interface application developer approach, both have their benefits and their shortcomings. Both have their clientele, both have their users, both have their people likes and dislikes. Let's go into more details. The benefit of the template driven approach, it simplifies web based programming. It simplifies how it simplifies. It consists of multiple components. HTML and non standard tags are there, which help you create that wonderful application. We have the template parsers at our disposal. And of course, database client demons are there. Demons are small programs, which are running in the background. So that helps in that template driven approach. But there is a problem. There's a catch over here. The catch is their product dependent. Product dependent means that I would not like to name any company or a product, but certain companies certain ecosystem they work. And you get accustomed to it, you get used to it. And then the migrating becomes difficult and expensive. How and why because it has to be rewriting, rewriting the database access, rewriting the flow, rewriting the control. And of course, when you rewrite it, you will make mistakes, and you will run it, and you will debug it, it will take time, any effort resources. So they has to be trade off. Okay, so the benefit of this template driven approach versus portability versus migration, you have to consider this before selecting one, there's nothing bad or wrong about it, but you have to be careful. So if we summarize the benefits and shortcomings, you can quickly develop and access the database in a couple of hours. If you have properly installed this application, okay, this template driven application, it will not take long in a couple of hours, you can have your database access, the results being shown at the client end. But the remember is there are certain things which are important to that company which may not be aligned with your importance. Okay, so they have limited flexibility, and they have and they don't support complex operations, because it's their choice. And it's slow response is there because of heavy string manipulation, the performance is also degraded at the ease of use. And you have to test you have to evaluate before you rule out whether you're going to use it, you're not use it. And this testing and evaluation is going to take time, money, resources, people. And finally, remember that development time and expertise, they are more important than speed. You can have a quick running application running very quickly, right. But if it doesn't support expertise, you don't have a system which last long. Now let's look at the other approach. GUI application builders graphical interface, mouse click application building and management, the programmers who are used to working in a graphical environment point and click, this kind of application is for them. And this application generated using ODBC or API or database net protocols. And the benefit is that usable and configurable APIs are generated. Okay, the API is generated, you can change them, you can customize them, you can use them. And this is the benefit. And there are many, many options are there. CGI API, they tend to be open. We see that they are benefits of this approach also. The biggest benefit is mouse click point and click, very, very limited programming. So if we summarize the benefits and shortcomings, rapid application development, we have lectures, two lectures about rapid application development, which will be covering very soon. And then is the shields developer from low level details. What happened when the the programmer is shielded from low level details, then the programmer is more productive, developing a nice, useful application. Okay, web application. That is the thing. Now, as a result of this GUI base, you have kind of a fat code. Fat code, fat code mean you have a lot of code, which is automatically generated and which results in flow execution. And then of course, there's a cost also. So for one of kind of a development project, the GUI based approach is kind of expensive, unless of course, you will be using this product for a number of applications, which you will be developing over a period of time. That's all I have for this module. Thank you very much.