I have several new computers, and a cup of tea, but that's not the important bit. So what this is, is a very early Toshiba laptop from about 1987. It's honestly moderately terrible, but it is rather interesting, and this does not work. Now, I have actually done a ton of work on this machine trying to make it work. I've recapped the motherboard, and I managed to make it run for like five minutes when something happened. These have notoriously flaky power supply electronics on the motherboard, and this one is just defunct. However, recently I got this. This is another identical but much grubbier T1000. Now, this one apparently has a working motherboard but a defunct screen. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to do a brain transplant and move the motherboard and battery and so on from this one into this nice clean one, and hopefully end up with a working computer. So the first thing I want to do is actually verify that this thing works, which I haven't done yet. I've powered it on so I know that the electronics work enough to like light the appropriate light, but nothing more than that. So what I'm going to do is since the screen is defunct and let me open it up, come on, here we go, and you can probably see exactly what's wrong with it. I am going to connect my favorite little cheap and nasty composite reversing monitor for a car if I can get the wires untangled. And we go and see what happens. So we plug one of these in here. I plug this into the composite video port and trying to find a place I can prop this where you'll be able to see the screen without any glare. Okay. And now I need the 9 volt power supply, which I actually plugged in earlier. Here we are. Now I haven't actually done this yet, so I have no idea whether this will actually work. So let's have a go. This plugs in here and I press the switch. So the screen lights up. The power LED here goes green. This means that the battery is intact. These things have a unique power supply system where the battery is actually a vital part of the entire power supply module. So you can't run them off the mains unless there's a battery in it. My other one, I've tried powering it through the battery terminals. And oops, that did a thing. Not a very good thing. Nothing's happened here. So the other thing is that they may need a key sequence to start the CRT. So let's just start pressing keys. And I also have not heard the floppy drive chug, which usually happens. The screen clearing here is about the right time for it to attempt to boot. Okay, I just bet that something to have happened. So sometimes you need to press the key sequence to make it switch to the CRT. If I plug this into the right one, yellow is usually video, but let's just try the other one in case. Nothing's here. This won't do anything until it receives a valid signal. The other thing I need to check is that it's actually getting power. Now the power supply is getting warm, so I would expect it to actually be doing something. So down here there's the contrast knob for the screen. And you can see it's just like not in good shape. So I think something has bashed the screen here and damaged a lot of it. But the fact that you get just these lines does not bode well. Hmm, okay. Well, I kind of want to make sure the motherboard works before I start dismantling it. Let's try a disk. There's nothing on it. I just want to try and make it boot. Draw it out there, maybe. Nothing. Power cycle. So normally what happens when you turn it on is it will sit and check its memory very, very slowly. And then it will attempt to boot from floppy. And if it doesn't boot from floppy, it will attempt to boot off the internal ROM because this thing has DOS in ROM. That's what one of the things makes it interesting. But I would also expect here to beep. Interesting. Okay, well, if this motherboard does not work, I actually have a third motherboard which I could try. So I do need the battery out of this one because this is the only battery pack I've got. So I have to dismantle this anyway. I was hoping to have DOS working, but it's unplugged all. Okay, well that was not particularly promising. So dismantling. The thing is a pig to take apart as are pigs.  So it's got lots of screws, some of which are not the same size as the others. Well, maybe the screen is actually working, but the CPU is defunct. That would explain why it's not displaying anything. I got this as a lot of Toshiba stuff from somebody who wanted to clear out their collection. So some of it is working and some of it not. I got a lovely 286 laptop, 1990, weighing about 8 kilos. It works really nicely, but it's far too big to actually fit under the camera. And yes, it is a laptop. How do I do the next bit? Lift off. I've done this before, you see. This is a screw. I haven't done. I think I've got them all. This is the amount of feet. I don't remember that. That's not a screw. I think I'm just not doing it right. It's probably plastic clips. There's some pry marks. That will be where the previous owner prided apart. Now I had a plastic prying tool. There we go.  Just use honest screws for heaven's sake. Okay. So what we've got here is the battery, which looks like a new retrofit stuck together with tape, which is awesome because it won't be leaky and horrible. And all I need to do is to screw. Actually, I didn't need to undo that screw. It just lifts out. But I do need to unplug this. There we go. What have we got here? Four slightly grubby NICADs. Oh, this might be original. Four slightly grubby 1600mAh NICADs. This plastic film has been cut open. And there's a lot of corrosion in the wires. It's not supposed to be brown, apart from the brown one. But it's enough to keep the supply electronics happy, so that's fine by me. This tucks under here and the screw does up, and that holds all the batteries in place. Okay. So here we have a new battery module, which I'll just slightly bendy battery module. Maybe it's not original. Pretty gruesome. Okay. So what we've got in here is this is the dubious power supply system, and I don't see any obviously bulging caps or anything. The other machine I actually recapped it. I took all these off the board and replaced them, and it was a horrible job too. And it didn't actually help, so I'm not feeling resentful at all about that. The keyboard on these things is this nasty spongy affair. Like, I'd like to rebuild keyboards and turn old keyboards into USB PC ones. I have a video series on where I'm doing that with an old Casio typewriter, but this one, I don't think I want to do that. It's, actually, this one's better than mine. That's very interesting. That's what they were all saying. This is actually a little bit tactile. These aren't. These are spongy as heck. And this is the UK model, though it's still antsy-ish layout. Looking at the case, there's some gruesome slime there, which isn't brilliant. My one has a rather nasty bent piece of plastic for the screen, but I'm not sure I can easily get that out, so I think I'll just live with it, because it's, like, not critical. Okay, let's stick this thing back together again. Without the battery in it, it won't start up at all. It just, like, nothing works. We'll put the screws back in. Maybe to hold it all together. So the T1000 is extremely early laptop. It has no internal storage at all. What you get is a single 720K floppy drive and DOS in ROM, and that's your lot. It doesn't even have a full complement of 640K of RAM. It's got 512K, which is kind of on the small side. You can get... That's not right. You can get upgrades, but I have never actually seen one on eBay or anything. Extending the RAM probably by another half megabyte to one megabyte total will give you a full 640K of DOS memory, plus probably some expanded RAM which you can use for disk cache. My tip's not done up. There we go. And that will make the thing much easier to use. The processor is a very, very slow 8088. Okay, I'm going to fetch the other motherboard out. And here it is. One bare motherboard. Now, the package I got said that the spare did actually work, but I was hoping the one in the laptop would too. I still don't know if it doesn't, but...  Let me just... I think that way is off. Plug in the... That's it. Right, now the battery without which everything is futile. The 9V supply is here. Green light. That means the battery is functional. Nothing on the CRT. So, I'm waiting to see if the light flashes. I think the... Yeah, the beeper is not on the board. The beeper plugs in here. So, we're not even going to get a startup beep. The only thing we'll see is a red light. There we go. It just tried to boot. And it will fail to boot because there is no floppy drive attached. And I was hoping it would switch to the CRT, but it looks like it's not. But that does tell me that this motherboard is live. So, let us go ahead and put it into the working chassis. So, dismantle all this. With care, I do not want to zap the board, given how much effort I went to to try and find the working one. I probably ought to recap it, but I ain't going to... Oh, it's interesting. I think this is different from mine. I don't remember the lines. Of course the... There's a glare in the camera.  This horrible, horrible mess is the power supply. It takes the 9 volt AC and the 4.8 volt battery and it charges the battery and it generates all the positive and negative voltages the rest of the system needs. And they are notoriously flaky. That's really interesting. Ferv S4 Series 4. My one doesn't have that cap on it. I remember that much. What have we got here? Yeah, it's all bespoke chips. I believe this is probably the processor, the big one. And this is... Yeah, this is RAM. I can tell that because it says RAM right there. This connector is for the RAM expansion and I was slightly hoping that my... that laptop would have one, but... Okay, right. Let's get the other computer out. Okay, here is the nice clean one. This came from a junk shop in Silicon Valley. A legendary weird stuff warehouse sadly no longer functioning. It was sold like unseen. It was in pretty good condition on the outside. Somebody who was visiting brought it for me knowing that I was into old computers but they didn't check to make sure it actually worked. When I took the lid off the first time it was obvious that someone had gone through the inside and systematically removed everything that was of value. So the battery pack was completely missing. The power supply had gone, you know, that sort of stuff. But the case is lovely and clean and not at all yellow. It's in really good shape. So I'm hoping that this thing I'm about to do will give me a nicely working machine. Yes, this is the... This is the US keyboard model. So you can see the at sign here other than that everything's the same shape. And yes, this one is spongier than the other UK keyboard which is extremely interesting. Right, now... So here is where I've recapped stuff. I was unable to find the capacitor that would fit this so I, you know, wired it in like that. These two sockets are for a Modem expansion card that fits in here for, you know, telecommunications, internet access on the road. First let's just remove the floppy disk drive. At least I don't have to dismantle the other one. It's good to have a nice set of spare parts. This should unhook. Just unplug this. This is the display. That allows us to put this aside completely which gives a lot more space to work in. Okay, there is a grounding screw there that normally connects to the floppy disk drive cage which I didn't bother to do up the last time I took it apart. Come on. There we go. Just unplug this somehow. The floppy disk drive is non-standard. You can make them work but yes, that is a different motherboard. This is the Ferb S7. The other one is obviously older. Interesting. So yes, actually it's quite different. Okay, not that different. This layout is different. They obviously reworked the power supply. This side looks the same. Here is the capacitor here. Jumpers, same layout. I found the maintenance manual for one model of motherboard which wasn't this one. I think it could have been this one. That would be interesting. I wonder if they've had trouble with the power supply and the series 7 was supposed to fix it if so it didn't work. I see that all the analog components are the same. No matter. Okay, let's get this keyboard off. Just lift off. This is a variant of the Ubiquitous PCB Clamp Collector. And that just pulls out. Thus giving us access to the motherboard. Here is the horrible puto electric squeaker. And two screws. Never go to work without a magnetic screwdriver. Now this lifts up and it slides. Is that warm? That's not warm. Something felt weird here, but it was just an illusion. But I have been trained extremely successfully that you feel anything like heat. Or there's a bit like heat. Or like electricity. And you jump. Okay, I just misremembered. This does have the lines on it. Although they are much less prominent and laid out a little differently. The back of the board is significantly different from the two models. At least this stuff is. Interesting. Okay, well, let's take the dead board and put it aside. And now we just have to reassemble it with the good board. Try not to break anything while we do it. We have broken things while working on them.  Which I actually managed to connect up to the wrong power supply while doing a battery removal. There's an internal battery that was beginning to leak and corroding. So I had to remove it. And while I was testing I connected it to 12 volts instead of to 5 volts. And the internal fuse stopped working and so did the rest of it. And I've been slowly diagnosing that and trying to figure out what the hell's going on. I managed to get all that on video including the dreadful moment when I actually killed it. I have some parts on order that might actually repair it. We'll see. I may have fried the processor on that. Okay. Do I want to... Okay, keyboard is next. So we open the clamp. This just drops in. And it goes down. Cool. I have to say this machine, despite its many, many, many flaws is a pleasure to work on. You can get all the bits really easily. Nothing really gets in the way of anything else. So this simply plugs on. And which of these screws was the floppy drive? Short ones, I think. Let's try these short ones. I need the long ones. I need the longer ones. There is not really a lot you can do with a 512K DOS 2 machine. And then we're going to do it. So there's no expansion other than the Modem. However, it does have a parallel port. And you can abuse parallel ports for mass storage using devices known as zip drives. And if you've ever used a zip drive at this point you will be cringing because they are quite rightly considered absolutely vile. But they do work really well for this sort of thing. So that plugs in and drops into place. And I believe we're done with this. So I can use a zip drive as 120 megabytes of rather slow storage. And on a machine with no floppy disk drive that's actually a godsend. Sorry, no hard drive, that's a godsend. They are really annoying and whiny. Though I recently had the pleasure of working with a genuine Kona 20 megabyte drive from 1990. And I have to say, annoying and whiny, you have no idea. Those old drives are dreadful. Because they hadn't invented modern bearings.  I actually replaced that with a compact flash adapter just to make the noise stop. Also 20 megabytes is ridiculously small. It's a shame to lose the head seek noises which are actually rather nice. But you couldn't hear it over the noise of the drive. So, yeah. So now that machine is quite a lot nicer to use and it boots quickly. Doing these screws up when they are in fact all mismatched is probably a guarantee that when I connect the thing up it won't work. But this has not been a particularly complex operation. So there we go. Hardware engineers are not superstitious. It is all fact every bit of it. Right. Well, we don't need the CRT anymore. So... Oh! Yikes! That was actually starting off battery. It's charged. Okay. So what have we got? Memory test. Can you see that on the screen? There we go. On the camera. The speed of the memory check might give you a bit of an indication as to just how slow this machine really is. 512. And it boots to Shiba Dose. And the date is now... Error 0, 1980. Hmm. I wonder if it's got a real-time clock. That'd be nice. The current date is... What format does it want? The date in... American Month Day 18. It accepted it. Yes, it did. Time... 21, 25. There we go. Wow, it works. There's quite a lot of stuff in it too. This is on ROM. Because it's on ROM, it's difficult to configure. Okay. I was not expecting a error on the ROM drive. And I didn't want to type config sys anyway. Yes, I did want to type config sys. What? Why am I getting an error there? Bizarre. Check disk. We've got through... Er... How big is it? Total disk space, 730K, three-quarters of a megabyte. Nought bytes available. Yeah, it's a ROM. No kidding. We've got the setup command. I've got the exact bat. Why is it doing stuff with drive D? Go to no IC. No internal something. Now, it is now June 20th, 2019. Okay, that's good. We've got the setup command. What is there to set up? So set the RAM config. Ah, right. So I believe it's possible to, like, configure things. Yeah. This is why I was getting the error with config sys, because it's cheating. When I look at the config sys in the ROM, it's actually being redirected to a RAM disk. Built-in RS232 port assigned. It's probably on COM2, because it's expecting the mode empty on COM1.  Let's not reset now. Yes, I do want to change the setup annual. Primary display type. 40 by 25 or 80 by 25. Interesting, okay. So there's also test 10, which will let you test all the things. Test the FDD. I'm not going to run that through that now. The one thing I really like about the Toshiba keyboards is that I put the control key in the right place. System configuration. Ah, that's what it's set up as. So let's try floppy disk. Yeah, it looks like it worked. This is actually some DOS installation. This is... Okay, so I've got expand, but I don't have QBasic. I can't run gorillas, which is on this disk. Maybe it's on the other one. Yeah, I was installing DOS 5 on a different machine. I overwrote one of the disks once I'd finished, so... That one's got QBasic on it. Triple is, I have to get it off from one disk to the other disk. Do not believe, yeah, there is no RAM disk. There's no RAM. Ooh, I can do that. That's gruesome. Er... I need to restart the camera. Okay, yeah, I was reaching the end of the 20 minute limit. So I can actually copy a file from one to the other. So there are two logical drives, A and B, but only one physical drive. And the way this works is you can operate on both drives and it will prompt you to change disks. So I can actually copy QBasic from one file, from one disk to another. Yeah, I'm not going to bother doing that. If I do try that, it will be for another video. Right now, I'm getting distracted playing with it rather than testing it. I want to give the CRT a try. So... Oh yeah, a rather nice design feature of this is the screen that goes all the way flat. Which makes it very easy for me to film. Okay. Oh yeah, that changes the font. I don't know if you can see that, but it toggles between fat and thin fonts. All the Toshibas do this. Page up or page down is usually CRT. No. Okay, that should have switched to the CRT. Screen power supply is warming up, but no screen. It's the yellow wire. See, maybe my screen is broken. It wasn't the last time I tried it. It is plugged into the right port by the setup command again. Primary display type, yeah, it doesn't have to give you the option. So no, I don't want to set that. Okay, well, either the CRT electronics is broken, the composite electronics are broken, or my screen is broken or something about the signal this thing generates doesn't get on with this screen. The defunct machine, I did actually get a signal on this screen with it and I have that on camera like I have actual proof. So I do know that it's supposed to work, but that was the other revision of the board. Yeah, I have no idea what's going on there. But it works. The battery appears to be either charged or charging. Is there a battery monitoring command? No, there isn't. I remember looking at this last time. The only kind of battery monitoring there is is a single voltage comparator that changes this light from red to green and something to make it power down completely when the voltage isn't high enough. So you cannot tell what the battery is doing from software.  But this does look like it's working. Select, what does select do? Oh, OK, that lets you install Dawson to a disk. Yeah, I don't see anything particularly interesting. Dawson, a floppy disk, I suppose. Is that interesting? But yeah, this machine is now working. The brain transplant was a success. I wonder whether it is worth trying to put the motherboard from the old, from the old case. No, I have one known broken motherboard and one potentially broken motherboard. So no, I don't have the facilities to actually get to anything else working. I was thinking it might be nice to try and compare the working board's power supply test points with the broken one to see if I can see a difference. But as they are different revisions, that isn't going to work. The two boards I currently have are the Series 7 defunct one and whichever one is in the dirty case. But they're probably not comparable and besides the one in the dirty case is probably broken too. OK, well I'm going to call this a success. So that is how you change the motherboard in an old Toshiba laptop. I hope you enjoyed this video. Please let me know what you think in the comments.


Welcome to Toffy TV, it is the Everton News Daily. Mason Holgate has said that he aims to improve every day. Speaking to Everton TV, he said that not many 23-year-olds centre-backs are playing regularly in the Premier League and he understands that he has made a lot of progress this season. He said he just wants to work hard and he's always been convinced that he was a centre-back. He said but maybe he didn't appreciate that yet to be a stronger and more physical player to be able to play in that role and he's grown into where he feels and is currently enjoying his best run in the Premier League. Speaking about Sunday's disappointing 4-0 defeat at Chelsea, he said we had an off-day, everybody has off-days but we have to work hard and make sure that we cut out the silly mistakes if we're to improve. But he's been fantastic Holgate and Sunday didn't have a great game but it's good to see a young player just signed a new 5-year deal last week talking about having to work hard, having to improve and he's turning into being a real excellent centre-back for Everton and hopefully he can continue that improvement as we move forward. Gibrill Sitherby says he would be happy to stay at Everton beyond this season. He was speaking to French media team, spoke about being at Everton, spoke about having the green light from Carlo in terms of staying. I'm not convinced to be honest, I don't think he was ever going to sit on French television and say no I'm not going to stay when there's still nine games to play for this season. And also the other side to that is Everton, I don't think I'm going to indicate to him that he don't want to keep him if that's the case this early. It may well be that he does sign, he's obviously available for 13.5 million I think it is in the summer but like I say I'm unsure whether he actually will stay or Everton will actually want to buy him again. We just have to wait and see on that one monthly. Everton again today linked with Sassarola Winger Jeremy Boga. He's available for around £15 million apparently. He's compared himself to Edwin Hazard, said that's the level he thinks he can get to. Wouldn't be bad would he? Carlo Antilotti obviously seen him at close quarters managing in Italy and come across Boga a couple of times and Italian media saying that Everton kept tabs on him all season and he could potentially move this summer. Crystal Palace, director of football Dougie Freeman is apparently still interested in taking shanked tokens from Everton on a permanent basis. The Turkish striker Dam is ACL last week in training with Crystal Palace. He's going to be, he's had the operation I think this week's having the operation and it'll probably see him out of action for between six and nine months which kind of rules out Crystal Palace permanent deal in the summer whether or not they come back for him next January. If he's fit, who knows, find that story a little bit strange to say the least. And Martin Atkinson has been confirmed as the referee for Monday's Masyside Derby at Goodersham Park. Michael Oliver is the VAR for that one. It's Atkinson's seventh derby. He also refereed the Goodersham derby last season which ended nil nil. Both supporters have been equally scathing in the appointment. Evertonians ffumin, but Liverpool fans equally unhappy. It seems they hate him as well. So there you go. Another piece of derby news. Alison has been ruled out of the derby on Monday. A hip injury keeping him out of Liverpool's gaming athletic home adrid and the Masyside Derby. So Adrian will be in goal for both of those games. And then coronavirus update, as fears increase in the UK, apparently Premier League clubs have had meetings regarding playing games behind closed doors. A lot of people coming out and saying they're not in favour of that. They'd rather be suspended. There's some rumours that it may even lead to the season being cancelled if there isn't an end to the threat of the coronavirus. Bernard was speaking to ESPN and he said the players would be really sad to play games behind closed doors and I don't think in my opinion it would be good for the championship. The Premier League is all about the fans and it would be not the shame playing in empty stadiums. Other people have come out in support of this and said that they don't think it's fair if the games are played behind closed doors. Pep Guardiola is not a fan of it as well. So the more people that start to discuss this, maybe the Premier League will have a decision to make. Because it is about the supporters, isn't it? That's all. It's about playing games in empty stadiums. It doesn't make sense. Especially if you're trying to contain something like the coronavirus and the latest supporters were two weeks behind Italy. Stop everything for a few weeks and see if we can get old of it and then let things settle down. But you'll have to watch this space to see whether there's any changes on that. But at the moment, the next stage is them playing Premier League games behind closed doors. So let's see what happens there. Make sure you give the video a thumbs up, subscribe if you haven't. And if you want more videos join us on Patreon. See you later.


So we're here at IQ and who are you? Hi, I'm Nadia Ken from IQ Smart Clothing. So you make smart clothing? Yes. So right here this is a smart? Yeah, everything here we call the smart clothing and but this is one of the main projects that we are doing you call the bio monitoring. But it looks like a shirt. It is. I think our main purpose you know we don't want to put so many cables, wire and looks like this is designed for Superman but actually we try to make it become more simple, very normal and easy to wear. So here you have some examples and right here there's a sensor right here, flexible sensor. Yeah right, okay. And why do you connect? Okay, see for example this is a small bra. Okay, this is just a regular small bra. And the only difference now we just put it very soft sensor on the southern part position like this and contact skin. So we because we use the content of the fiber and content of the electro, then the electro content of skin. So can transfer the electricity from your skin and go through the snaps and go through the transmitter. So here's the battery and the sensor? The electronics. Yes and we all use okay so we put that here and here here just like a regular I think what we are doing here is we try to provide a very simple text size solution and to make it very easy to wear and also most important this is a washable okay. So washable? Yeah sure. Completely washable and here the man on where is the sensor and this one? This one here we put that here and here. And it's flexible? Yeah it must be flexible. So it's totally flexible this area? Yes right. But it's a sensor? We call it electro actually. Electro. Electro, same thing. So we still need to transmit the data for skin, go through my text size cable, go through the transmitter. So we use the Bluetooth or Wi-Fi then we go through the apps from your smartphone or smartwatches. So when you are doing the exercise I think the user is very easy to get the data. So in this how long is the battery life? What's the CPU? A secret? We don't call it a CPU. Actually this is a market module. Is it an ARM CPU? It's a tiny M0 class. M0 Cortex M0? Yeah Cortex M0 class. Nice. So very long battery? Yes. How long? About seven days at least. Seven days? For the normal usage. Who are you? I'm the CEO of the company, Max-Chan. So how old is your company? About seven years old? Seven years. What do you do for seven years? We start from, okay, to know what is the main market and what is the main application for the existing technology from IT. Then we bring the electronic and the technology to combine with my textile. All right, so because so far no one is available before you publish. Do you work seven years on smart closing? Yes. So always work on smart closing in the company? Yes. But actually we not just start from, okay, we start from zero for smart closing. However, we take advantage from my parent companies that 36 years vertical textile group. We also have our affiliate company for Metal Viber. So actually we are very complete the supply chain internally. So what do you show here? What is this? Okay, this is called the Stanley Steel Fiber. So this is how it works? Okay, this is the fiber actually made in Stanley Steel 316L. So we bring the features of the conductive and also high temperature resistant and also strong bending. So it shows here, is this Hydeworks? It is. This is a microscope? Yeah, right. For example, this is fiber just right here, okay. And the yellow line is the human health width. It's about 100 micro for the human health width. But the metal fiber is about 8 to 12. It's average about 10. So it's just randomly dispersed and then you can, how can you measure? It doesn't mean you get a better reading on the human skin. The best possible. This is, okay, this is okay, is a material. Okay, so we cannot do this exactly just like that. We have to, we can blend it with the cotton or polyester, become a cotton yarn. The yarn we've been knitting or woven as the fabric. Okay, so then become another, we call it electro. We are not using the other reading metal, but use the textile electrode by using this kind of thread. And so with that, there's a show here. What kind of sensing can you do? You can do, there's like a neon man. This is a bio man. What can you sense? So you can do heart rate? Okay, actually it's very subject to what kind of scenario, what kind of feature we need to go. Just as I say, clothing is a form factor to embed the new electrolyte sensing. So for example, we can, okay, sensing for heart rate, very fundamental for heart rate up to ECG or the other, if you want to go for some skin temperature or the other, even for heart rate in the future, even for blood pressure in the future with different sensing to now. Blood pressure? Blood pressure now would go for this, but you know there's a lot of PBG. So just as I say, smart clothing actually is the new platform, the new platform to integrate a lot of sensors to the body. So what can this one do? What do you have on this one? You have a? This one actually just say, we put on one of the businesses, one lit, one lit. Is it for heart rate? This one is for heart rate only. Heart rate only? But we change another device to go for another algorithm. Just another plug-in, another one? Yeah, another plug-in one. They can be for ECG or even for HRV, to take them out of stress. Variable heart rate? And the ECG is like in a hospital? Okay, not heart rate for something else. Yeah, yeah, but this is like, so it's heart related. Everything is heart related? This one is heart rate related for sure, because heart rate is more at entries level and very fundamental. But you go for something else, of course, okay? What can you do? What is the other things you can do? Oh, sure. For the longer term, for example, if you want to measure like the ECG, like you like to analyze, let's say the blood pressure, it's all possible. It depends on what type of sensor you apply to the clothing and how you measure that from your body. Humidity? That's possible. Temperature. Temperature? Yes. And actually more than that, consider this, if the energy harvest technology become more mature, then instead of using battery, we can actually put the energy harvest equipment on your clothing to generate the power. How? Two simple examples. One is for sure, solar.  Where do you put it? Up here, on the back. Somewhere here? Yes. Flexible solar, right? Solar, yes. That's definitely possible. And you work with this already? We're already sourcing the possible vendor who are waiting to provide right size of the solar panel. Another possibility, because the vibration, the body temperature can also use as a source for energy harvest. So there can be vibration like in my watch? Yes, like your watch. But is it enough power for Cortex M0 Plus? Probably not. We need to redesign. So at this point, we quite focus on the textile. But once we move the next step, we'll start to redesign the device itself towards the right component vendor that need to be, the energy consumption need to be low enough to really adapt this type of... Cortex M0 Plus is the smallest one, right? I believe they're moving on. Maybe the Cortex M0 Plus Plus. Of course, yes, something like that. Cortex M0 Minus, what they would call it. So how about the temperature, variability, the body temperature compared to outside temperature can also generate power? Yes, that's possible as well. But how much power is enough? That at this point, I don't even have a clue how much power they can generate. So this looks great, but it looks like sports style. Are you going to put it in the polo shirt in a normal human, what's it called, daily clothes? Yeah, of course, just as I mentioned, because our specialty is clothing and textile. So for us, textile is our... Okay, we are very... We are handling it every day. And my parent company, we had 40 million pieces per year. So for the clothing, it's no problem at all. But the question is how we can integrate the proper sensing technology into the clothing, all right? Yeah, it's a better question. It's related with the usage model. Yes, right. Because this couple of products are for the hardware monitor. That's why it needs to be in the sport form. But everybody needs to monitor our heart, I think. It depends on when and how, right? I think all day, everybody. Right, I agree with you. So we do have some idea, for example, if you do that as a polo shirt, that you probably want to wear the ARs in your office, then we need to change the location of the sensor, need to change the usage model. So we probably need to work with device vendor on how that's going to be used. Because the clothes are the clothes, need to be very comfortable. Feets, wherever you want to go. Is Bluetooth low-energy is a good enough solution today? Oh, that's one of the choices. Yeah. It's always connecting. Or do people who buy this, they have issues, connection, or is it always okay? For our general customer feedback, Bluetooth is a good choice for personal use. But if you want to have the connectivity goes longer range. For example, right now, you can see some demonstration of Lora. They try to have a longer range. Or if you want to read it long, for example, 3G or LTE, that potentially could be another usage model. So we were not going to reject any communication interface. This really depends on your usage. And some companies doing Ant plus? Yes, good choice as well. Is low power different from Bluetooth, right? Yes, it's different from the main challenges. The N plus itself is slightly more proprietary, not so many devices able to interact. It's not in the phone? Yes, it's not in the phone, exactly. All right. So how about smart pans? Well, smart pans, not in my booth now. But you see, we go for different usage, as I say. For example, you can check at your EMG the muscle. And also in the future, we have the motion. So it's resulted to what kind of function features our partner customer is looking for. So we integrate another proper sensing technology and the sensor to go there. So it's just really subject to different kind of usage. So what's the status for smart closing in the world? Are you the best?  It's not easy, right? It's, I think that we are somehow, as a pioneer, start to bring this product to the world as a real cross. That we hope that many people start to enjoy smart closing. From there, we really need more partners bringing the new sensors. And you are absolutely right. We need soft, flexible sensor or component into the closing. So the people are willing to wear them and very comfortable. And stylish? Yes. Nice style. You already have nice style clothes? Yeah, we say... The parent company have some stuff you can... Yeah, I think normally we always say that we have a six man factor is comfortable and washable, durable and reliable and affordable and fashionable. It has to be coming together. Okay, it has to go for everything like this. So I guess your company could be very busy in the future, right? And already busy. But you could be even more and more busy because there will be so many different styles. Everybody wants a different shirt. Nobody likes to have the same shirt as somebody else. That's right. So you need to do millions of different products. That's going to be a challenge. Absolutely, yes. I think one day all the shirts must be smart. I think that's our future goal. But we believe not just only us, but we try to bring this kind of concept and to looking for the real partner in the world. Okay, so we are the first one and we are very focused and concentrated to do this kind of research and make it really commercialized. So yeah, this is something we are doing. We don't want to do the super shirt for a superman, but we want to do a very simple and comfortable, user-friendly shirt for everybody. For simple men. For simple. For everybody. For normal men. I'm sorry. So how about here? It's integrated in the textile. Can you think of a solution where you add it to any normal shirt? You can stick it on. Yeah, sure. Does that make sense? Or is it better to... I mean, your whole technology is to merge it. How do you merge it with textile? I think you ask a very interesting question because for sure, there are so many different ways to make a good shirt or clothes. So we would always pick the right way to integrate. So which means you would not necessarily to be sold on or to be stick on or using a different process to fit it with the right clothes form. So there would be some standard ways to do it? And maybe sew, maybe stick, maybe... Yeah, there are right now there are so many different ways. Even as what you just mentioned, sew it on so that you can print it. So all the new technology can be bringing because that's already all in the nowadays the closing technology. You can print it? For example... This is printed electronics? You can see those three now but like those three characters, right? It's printed. But that's not a sensor. It's not a sensor. Can you print the sensor? Not yet today. I know now people are starting for E-printing but we must know what is the benefit for the E-printing. Then we bring these kind of good features to integrate my product. How about this part? Can you make this one flexible and print the sensor? We hope that happens soon. Hope that happens, right? Right, because we've been talking to many component and material manufacturers and try to... They don't know we need something soft and comfortable and flexible. Yes. Flexible battery, flexible energy harvesting. Flexible CPU. So everything on your body that you feel comfortable with. We want that to happen. So we're talking to everybody. Nice. Try to convince them. And this is going to be bigger than the iPhone, right? That's just what I'm saying. Because there are so many people who are close. Everybody. But not everybody needs an iPhone. Need a phone, yes. iPhone is just 20% of the market, you know? But the smart clothes, everybody. Cool. So a lot of things will happen in the near future with your company, right? And people can already buy this from your customer brands, right? Yes, right. Already have. Yeah, already have. Shipping big quantity or...? Actually just starting. Okay, just saying. We have to go... I think once the product is ready we still have the other period. We have some real field testing and marketing testing. So this is one thing quite different from the regular, you know, the textile. So, but we have to take this and we think we want to make it successful. We don't want them to jump into just shipping stuff. This is not the way we are going. It must be shipping very comfortable and really reliable. Where is your company based? Taiwan Taipei. Taipei. And how many people? Right now about 40 employees. 40, yes. So, but it can quickly expand if things go fast, right? Yes, yes. And we need talent from everywhere. From everywhere, all right. And clothes designers? Yes, fashion designers. Fashion designers. They can contact you now? They can all contact you and say I want to make my shirt smart, right? Yes, call us. What is the MOQ? Subject to the fabric. Just like the regular, the paramotor. Discussion. You need to buy many thousands? No, not really, not really. Okay, but we just say we try to make it really commercialization. It's not just a special made it, okay? It should be just very, very easy to get it just like you are doing the business like a regular. What's the price? Maybe. Price. Maybe retail price. What is the retail price? The retail price, you know, we don't fix the retail price because to be... Customer decide, right? But it can be what? Maybe 99, maybe more? Not for sport bra. Probably for the shirts. In the market price now is about $1.99 up to $2.99, $3.99 USD. So there's one shirt with one dungle with the abs. So that would be the current market price so far. All right, cool.