Monday, Monday, Monday. Does Tim Kronke finally win some NBA hardware? Nuggets, he gave five tonight. First basket's coming up. If you haven't done first baskets, it's so easy. Who's going to score the first basket? Tell me right now. We will put it on our show. Your tweet, I've on the air. Is it Joker? Is it BAM? Is it Marie? Let's go. And it's a lot of fun over on Fandals Sportsbook. You don't need to be on Fandals Sportsbook or in the state that participates. You can just hit it right here. We will have lots of fun together for game five. I can't believe the Nugs might take this thing. The chicken nuggets, according to Rashad White. Also, Tom Brady, Mr. Beast. Who's actually the biggest star? D-Hop gets the Royal Vrable treatment from the Titans. Darius Butler breaks down that and other NFL storylines. And we welcome an old friend, Golden Tate, a failed Mary Fain to talk Pete Carroll. Pickleball, apparently. Jalen Hurts sliding into third. That wasn't OK. Happy Monday. Come in my studio, Latin New York. And then I don't know how I haven't been here in like two weeks. Eric, you've aged a year. Brian, I haven't seen you in forever. How are you doing? I'm doing great. It's great to have you back. Thanks. We have good guests today. Darius Butler, who we love. Best show yet. Yeah, we were fighting in the morning meeting about who's going to get the Jalen Hurts question. Because Jalen Hurts sliding into third, kind of a no-no, highly paid guy. But if he didn't go 100%, I would be mad that he didn't do it. He's your franchise guy. You got to pause at third. You can't be doing a hop slide there. Was there, like, skin missing from his shin? He bloodied himself. No. You don't like to see it. I think we'll see who gets that question. Golden Tate this year. Super Bowl champion. And we have Darius Butler, of course, to break down NFL storylines. You've got the NBA action game five tonight. We'll see who can do the damage and who gets the first basket. We'll make those calls. But, yeah, definitely treat the show through your thing. Make the first basket. We'll get those tweets rolling throughout this hour. But to go to the NFL world, Deandra Hopkins had his visit with the Titans last night, okay? And we don't really know how it went, but we know how it probably feels, because he got the Royal Truman. It always feels good to be treated well going into a job interview, a little, you know, wine and dine, give me the caviar, the roses, the whole thing. You know, we probably aren't going to hear much about this until he signs there or elsewhere. But this update from De'Andre sort of spoke for itself. And I do find it interesting that while Vrable has downplayed this, at every turn, like, we won't be recruiting, recruiting. We're not recruiting anyone. De'Andre's going to come in and work out. Like, anybody else would show up and work out. You think everybody else is getting treated like that? Come on. Okay, Tennessee had the Photoshop of De'Andre in a freaking Titans jersey ready to welcome him in. I mean, I think part of the sale should be that they're going to bring back those Oilers jerseys. You know De'Andre's a fashion guy. Where's that mock-up? When you had DHOP, I believe, at a Tim McGraw concert. Now it was, I think it was like CMA week over in Tennessee last night. So the city's a buzz. It's a perfect time to get him in there. And this was, he was at Nissan Stadium. I don't know if we have the Instagram store, but he was there and having a good time. I wonder, is that like him and Vrable? Is Traylon Burke? Probably not. Probably not invited after what he was caught saying last week about not wanting to add anybody and liking the receivers that they had. You know, they're winding and dining and pulling out all the stops in Nashville, but I do think Vrable wants to probably make this happen a little more than he's letting on in the press conferences. And there's another team throwing their hat in the ring as well with rap sheets saying that, and everybody knows this, it's old news from last week, that the old Arizona Cardinals wide receiver is set to visit the Patriots later this week. So I don't know, we talked about the Patriots as one of the options for him last week. We talked about Tennessee as one of the options, but this was in a category, New England was a likely candidate, a likely suspect to sign nuke, because we went through evidence on evidence that Bill Belichick is sort of obsessed with Deondre Hopkins and has been for a long time. Lots of quotes about him, lots of meaningful exchanges between the two. And I said this last week and I still have one question here and it is, you know, about DHOP obviously and Bill O'Brien. And, you know, we can start with what DHOP has put on record concerning the Patriots as a destination because you've got to remember this from April. First destination, we're going to go with the New England Patriots. All right? What is that face? Like, Hamilton's like, that face speaks volumes. What am I reading into here? He's looking at his, you know, agent or whoever put him in that interview and he's like, why did you put, like, what kind of a position did you put me in? Like, is that, is that, that's a bad freeze frame and this is the problem with the world. He just sort of looks and says, like, I don't want to, it's probably because I'd love to go to New England and I'm not going to say, if I say anything, Bill Belichick will literally end me and end the conversation but do I think it means he's saying I don't want to go there or like Mac Jones, I don't believe in him or not? I don't know. How much of that, you know, has to do with Bill O'Brien? That's the question, right? But clearly something has shifted because he's taking a visit to New England if in fact that was a sort of I don't want to be there thing at all, which I actually don't take it as. And the Bill O'Brien thing is the big factor here because the Patriots check a lot of other boxes. They need a dominant guy. Belichick loves him. They have the money. So it fits there. Like the figures add up. They're going to be in the mix as long as Belichick is the head coach no matter how tough that division is. But things by all things that we know ended not great between Bill O'Brien and Newken Houston and if that relationship can't be mended which hopefully it can be it's not going to work, right? And if there was legit bad blood here DeAndre told SI back in 2020 there was quote no was no relationship between the two of them. That's not I don't rule. And he told writer Greg Bishop quote make sure you put that in there. He wanted that out there. So he also alleged that O'Brien made some other unsavory comparisons between Newk and another former player and some negative stories about Hopkins practice habits did start leaking around that time as well. So it was ugly. So the ray of hope would be when Bill O'Brien was fired by the Texans in October of that year DeAndre said he wishes bad on nobody and that quote hopefully he can have success somewhere else. That's nice. That's a little nicer. Maybe we're working up to something and maybe that place is New England. I think DeAndre's presence there would be would all but assure that this Patriots offense would be a success this season. Okay, we all have other. Sorry, I don't think I'd go seven minutes on DeAndre Hopkins. That was a good one. Sorry. Offseason vibes. We also heard from say called Barkley yesterday. He confirmed that he will not be at Giants mandatory minicamp. He says the following to summarize basically he says he's not trying to reset the running back market. He wants a fair deal and it doesn't sound like the Giants have met his expectations there yet. But the part that sort of stands out to me here is that he mentions how he wants to be compensated for his contributions to the team on the field and in the locker room. And that's a reasonable ask, okay. Because there has been no one that you can point to in the NFL that has been more crucial to any or on that team rather more crucial to any of the success that they have had over the last five years than Saquon. Like any Winnie has a hand in and when he's not out there, it's not pretty. And this is where it gets tricky because the Giants can't negotiate this next contract for what he's done in the past. That's what he's done. What are you going to be in the future? This deal has to be based on the value that they think he's going to have and bring them going forward. Now he is and I will remind everyone because everyone thinks Saquon's played in the league for ten years.  He's 26 years old still, 26. And he's got all time, okay. Over the devaluing of the position, okay.  Saquon means so much to this team and this organization. I think he'll continue for years to come to be that guy and I really hope that they can come to terms on something that works for everyone. But the Giants front office is already in the process of digging itself out of a hole from the previous regime. And one misstep here in how they sort of structure this deal could put them right back at the bottom of it. Because it might be the toughest deal to navigate in the entire league this year. And I do not envy either side. And people are split. Like I have a lot of Giants fans in my life and half of them are saying I love Saquon. They recognize everything he's done but they're like do not pay him. Do not give him it's you know it's the ruthlessness of the business and I'm curious you know like Golden Tate and Darius Butler's takes on this. And then the other half is like give him what you know like it's a it's it's not an emotional decision to give him tons of money. What is the in between and can they get there in a hurry. They have till July to sort of figure it out. I think so you know God speak to both sides. And of course I say Hamilton you know in the words of the great Nate Burleson. Pay the man. Oh my God. Yeah kind of pay everybody. Hamilton. No that's it. Go ahead. Yes please. Please my friend. No it's yeah it was Saquon it's you know he doesn't mean so much to that organization. It is different than most running stocks that you have to deal with because he does so much as he mentions in the locker room and on the field and his versatility and all that it has to be taken into consideration. I don't envy Joe Shane here at all because it's it's going to be tough.  There's some like you know like I sent you the thing about Saquon and said we should definitely put that in and like whatever and you're coming up with with the with the structure of the show should look like so we have that relationship but mostly I send you like snake videos and like shark attack videos I like made you watch a man get torn apart by a shark in the Red Sea. That was horrifying. I thought I thought about it before I send it to you like you shouldn't send this to anyone and I said I have to send it to Hamilton so I have to like tell them what my plans are for the red sea. And you know you know I'm returned lately I'm getting an influx of this maniac freak athlete that plays for the Reds and you're literally obsessed with this guy. I am. And also has all of Cincinnati it seems like he's just you know Ely delegates called but he's routinely hitting these balls 150 and 120 miles per hour. He was doing it at the minor league level, tearing it up. And it's not just the power, you see the speed with him as well. This play from yesterday is just absolutely ridiculous. It's a routine ground ball to first base and he beats it out. He's doing things that just don't make any sense at all. And he's huge, he's six, five, like none of the stuff this guy's doing makes any sense. And I know people are like, oh, calm down. He just got called up. But I don't know, it's hard not to be excited when you watch this guy because we've never really seen a player like this. It's unique and it's so much fun. And I know all those bangles fans in your mentions are blowing them up and trying to get you on the bandwagon too. For sure. It's so funny when like a Jonas Gray pops on the scene and like even it's like you don't, like it's so celebrated in the NFL. Like we love when like, dearness, like somebody does their thing and like does something crazy. In baseball, it's so like, no, it's just don't. Like I was tweeting about this guy, this kid and this guy, no, Voto, he's still, Likvato, whatever his name is, he's still in charge of the team. He's still the face of the franchise.  Like he's been playing 90 years, calm down. I'm still getting his name wrong. But you know what, like my mom who speaks Polish and is 72, Gardening, she knows about Ellie because Ellie's hitting 491 feet bombs. Like it's crazy. Let's celebrate the thing. And in that vein and you're talking about Cincinnati, our friend, I mean a legend, Dan Horde, put this tweet out and I thought it was interesting because he started talking about how, you know, Joe Burrow, Ellie, Acosta, like does anybody have more fun in charismatic sports stars than Cincinnati right now? So we were thinking about, you know, obviously Cincinnati, New York is really excited. You got the Giants, we just talked about the Jets with Aaron Rodgers, all of that, Knicks Rangers, all of that, Miami having the time of their life. We have their poster boy, Darius Butler, on our show, The Heat, The Panthers, but which NFL city is sort of going to be the most excited or be taking over the sports world next? What do you think? Quickly. Well, you know, Vegas and Casey are having their moments, but I really think it's gonna be Baltimore, I think, with Lamar and the Fold going forward. Roquan to lead that defense, you see them there throwing out the first pitch on Orioles game, and that brings me to the point. The Orioles are back. They have the second most wins in baseball right now. They have so many Vaughn Young stars, and I feel like they're ahead of schedule. Adley Rushman, Gunnar Henderson, Felix Batista has become the best closer in baseball, and they have, Jackson Holiday hasn't even gotten called up yet, and he might be the best out of all of them, and I know you're a little familiar with that name, Holiday Sounds Familiar. Is that Holiday? Yes, that's my holiday song. Yes. Yeah. Not Holiday. He looked like Steve from the rest in peace to, what's the show I'm talking about? Oh, Jerry Springer Show. Jerry Springer Show, rest in peace to Jerry Springer. He had that, he was like him and Erlacher had a baby, and it was Matt Holiday, and he was bigger than everybody, and nicer than everybody, and he was like so gregarious and wonderful, and that's his kid? That's super fun. I will say, I will meet that, well done by you. I'll say, and Vegas is very interesting, because they're like a requiring more sports teams, and that's a lot of fun. You picked Baltimore, which doesn't have an NBA team. They don't have, like that's a, but they're so passionate about their fan bases, and they like that, and they got the Lamar deal done. We've had so many Ravens on our show, which has been great, Marcus Williams included, Patrick Queen, all those guys, but I'm gonna go with Denver, okay? Cause the Nugs are about to win this thing. They're dominating the NBA finals. Joker, Joker is entering the Goat, Big Man is, nobody wants to say it, but he is, okay? He's entering the greatest in all time, Big Man discussion, no offense, Jack. And you know, they're not, I don't know why we're showing Sean Payton there, hi Sean, but they're not gonna disappear anytime soon, and you know, the Avalanche, they just won what? Last year, sure, they just won another, you know, Stan Kronke vibe, like he's a winner, and now the Broncos have that guy that we just showed Sean Payton on board, okay?  Everyone's like, just wait, just wait to see how he revamps this thing, and what's gonna happen with him running the show there, and all the little details, just for one example, here's Patrick Sartana, what he had to say. Once you go in and meet him and talk with him, you can understand why, you know, he's one of the best coaches just by his personality. So, you know, he acts just like us as kids, but you know, in a good way, in a positive way. So, you know, he's a great coach in general around, but you know, his personality speaks volumes. That smiles, all you need to see, I mean, we've talked to old Saints about it, we've talked to Marcus Williams about it, there's a whole situation, Mark Ingram, everybody, we'll see how it translates on the field, but I stand by this cream jacks, and everyone's so excited. I think Sean Payton might have been the biggest acquisition. Sean Payton is the biggest acquisition, any team made this off-season. I called AJ Brown last year as being the best acquisition before the season even started, and nobody was like, ah, Sean Payton's gonna be the biggest difference maker, and that should be an award, game changer, for a single team, and it should be able to go to a coach, and it should go to Sean Payton. Now, Sean Payton's pretty great, you know who else is pretty great? Pete Carroll, as an NFL coach, how long is he gonna play? Anybody surprised he's going like this? Colton Tate will be joining us on the program, so we'll talk to him about Gino, Matthew Stafford, and all of that, but my BFF is up here, the Man and Woman podcast. Here it is, Darius Butler, K-Adams, after this. Move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move, move. Move, a nine-year NFL veteran, he's got the moves. I just saw those defensive back in pride of South Florida, which we will get to, and the only person that could possibly know the nanny, or the butler from the nanny, the mysterious butler, how are you? The babysitter, the nanny, the butler, it all makes sense. What up, Kay, good morning. Listen, I'm okay, I'm easy breezy, because I got no stakes in the game. You, my friend, we got a little something to talk about. Your back's up against the wall, DB. Your Florida Panthers in your heat, they're down three-one, respectively, in their final series. How are we feeling going into these Game Fives?  So I think we'll fight, I think we'll extend both of these series, but I got a little more faith in my heat, I must be honest, because those golden nights on the ice, they look like the absolute real deal. Same with Joker, too. And I heard your take earlier, saying he's entering that goat conversation when it comes to the big man. I gotta agree with you. He finishes the championship run with his resume, and of course, we expect him to play a lot longer, but he would definitely be on that Mount Rushmore of centers if he finishes this thing out. It's so true, and I love that you're saying that. You might not have faith in some of these teams, and I like that you think both of them will extend it and win these Game Fives.  It's my favorite one. You picked BAM and you won for our viewers and for our fan duo family, so thank you.  Who you got? Oh, I see you switching sides on me. I see that. I see it, but you know what? Let me see the, I'm always looking for a value. Definitely not going back streus. He's been stinking it up so far. You know what? I go to God Wanted. Give me BAM again at plus 550, and shout out to fan duo too for giving us that two for one last time. That was a great, great bet, I think plus 330 it was that. Yeah. But I'll take BAM again, why not? We're running it back with BAM, shout out to Shams and Company as part of our fan duo family. We love to see it. All right, and you guys know who your first basket bets are, guys. Hit us up at Up and Atom. She'll get some of your tweets on the air here.  Then he got released. I mentioned Denver. You were talking about Miami because you'd love to see him there even though they've got a loaded backfield. What are your thoughts now? Is there another team that we aren't giving enough love or thought to about this? Yeah, I mean, honestly, it's a lot of teams that could use Dalvin Cook. Just like I said it last time I was on the program, still in the prime of his career. And I've seen a lot of people echo those sentiments. He's a great player, still in the prime of his career. I thought Ravens could be a good spot. But then I'm going out there at LA with the Rams. Rams obviously got rid of a ton of people. I know Cam Acre is still in the backfield. Another Florida State alum running back, back there. But I think Dalvin Cook and that offense. Everyone, when you think about Sean Payton, when you think about Sean McVeigh's offense, most fans, most people think about the passing numbers and all the records that Drew Brees and Matt Stavra have. But it starts with that run game with both of those offense. The run game, the play-action pass game, all for that run game. So I think Dalvin Cook, in that Rams offense, obviously they need to bounce back year. I think he'll be tremendous for them. I have no clue what the salary cap is for them. No clue what Dalvin Cook wants to be paid. Tough for that running back market. But as far as on the field, I think him and the Rams would be a great match. Should we just accept what's going on at the running back market? And by the way, the Rams, I've not heard anybody connecting the dots to the Rams and it makes a lot of sense and that they would be lucky to have them. We don't know what Matthew Stafford even looks like. Golden Tate's joining the show in a little bit. Maybe he'll have a better idea since they're so close. But there's a bigger discussion here. I mean, I saw over the weekend, Josh Jacobs, I looked at it and I was like, what's going on? He still has not signed his franchise tag. Okay, he sent this tweet out. Sometimes it's not about you. We gotta do it for the ones after us. Man, that's heavy. There's meaning to that. Barkley spoke this weekend about his contract situation, going as far as to say he wouldn't rule out sitting out this season. What do you make of this big money contract to running back situation? Is it over? I mean, it's tough. We saw Levy on Bill kind of derailed his career kind of when he set that year out. So I would hate to see that with any position, especially a running back position. But, say Kwan, former number two overall pick in New York coming off probably one of his best years was healthy. He's not getting paid. Josh Jacobs was leading the league in Russian last year. He's not getting paid. Once again, guys in their prime. So it's tough and it's the market. It's business. What is that market value around a position? Unfortunately, it's not looking great for running backs. The upside of that is, we got two running backs drafting the top 15 this year with Gibbs in Detroit at 12 and then Robinson at eight with the Falcon. So maybe, maybe if they come out and have some great careers early on, it can change some things. But it's tough. It's tough. Part of it is the Super Bowl champions not having 1,000-year-old rushers for how many years in a row. It's a copycat league. So it is tough for those running backs. So if you got kids out there playing football, probably not want to put them in that backfield, put them at quarterback corner, maybe, receiver, because it's tough right now for that running back market. Yeah, quickly. I do want to ask you just about DeAndre to pick one, because I find it hilarious. I mean, Vrabel's like, we're not recruiting, we're not doing it. And he's rolling out the red carpet, the PJ, the mock-ups of him and the whole thing. They need him, the Patriots. He's in the country last night, too, right? Yeah, Tim McGraw, why not? At Nissan Stadium, where he might be running her out and scoring his fantasy points for people. Then you've got him going up to New England, where, I mean, he had beef with Bill O'Brien. They'd have to get over that. Who needs him more? Where does he fit better? DeHop. DeHop, once again, I think a guy with, no, I don't think he's in the same point in his career as other running backs, but a guy that can definitely be using any offense. I would love to see him in like a, with a high-powered quarterback, high-powered offense. So sorry, the Titans, nor the Patriots fit that bill. So give me like Ravens, give me the Bills, give me the Chiefs. I'm talking about whether the good just gets better. So I want him to go to a quarterback, a great quarterback, a great situation, somewhere we can see him on primetime a ton and getting a bunch of targets, but I would not, absolutely would not want to see him with Ryan Tannehill or Mack Jones being his quarterback. No disrespect for those guys. Do you think it's, do you think that Bill O'Brien thing, like, am I reading into it too much? I mean, they really had it out. Yeah, they did, but I think him and he and Bill Belichick have a great relationship. Bill Belichick kind of has that relationship with these great players, especially receivers for some reason. I used to always see him go and talk to Ocho or whoever that other top receiver was on the field. So I think they have a good relationship there. And we know it's the business of football and it's the business of winning. So if the Andre Hopkins was to go on that offense, Bill O'Brien will be the OC and Bill O'Brien is still gonna be Bill O'Brien. He's gonna be empowered by Bill Belichick to be there. So I think the Andre Hopkins, he's a pro and he'll know how to get in where he fits in in that offense. But once again, would not want to see him in that Patriot offense. Mack Jones, I'm sure would love him. He wouldn't need him. They need an upgrade at receiver. But the market doesn't seem too hot for the Andre Hopkins. I'm assuming he wants at least that O'Dell money coming back, so we'll see how that all plays out. Well said by you. We talk a little NBA, we do a little basketball and then we go into the world of like, I have no idea what's going on. And like, we're not gonna talk about tennis, but this thing happened that crossed over into the NFL. Now, Djokovic wins the French Open. It's incredible, beautiful moment, 23rd Grand Slam title, insane. Tom Brady was in his box when it was invited guest and then he gave a shout out to Brady in his speech right after he wins on the court and like Mbappe and a bunch of these like goats that were there, who would be your dream person at an event to then win and give you a shout out? Like what would that look like? To win and give me a shout out? Yeah. That's a hell of a question. Let's go to F1, this helmet. I love F1. Louis Hamilton, I want Louis Hamilton to get a win. And right now, it's been tough. Max Verstappen seems to win every week. But let me get Louis Hamilton out and get a win and say, hey, shout out to DB, man. He always believed in me. So give me Louis Hamilton right now. I did see Djokovic, it's out of the Serbia too. I mean, what's in the water over there right now with him and the Joker doing their thing? But he also gave mom boy a shout out. He already had his jacket already made, talking about visualizing and bringing things into existence. So he's done some great, great things on that tennis court. So shout out to Djokovic. I just love the fact that he'd be like, he'd be like, shout out to my family, to my team, the pit crew, Shakira and like DB, you're always wearing that F1 hat and telling all these like non F1 fans about me. Shout out to you. Man to man podcast. Then he puts on a DB hat and he walks out. That would be amazing. Let's manifest that. My question about this whole thing is, like how does Brady have time to do all of this? And I guess private jets are probably the answer. But and also be on a $300 million dollar yacht. Like when did he fit this little video during the weekend in with Mr. Beast? And this was crazy. What did you make of this? I mean, Brady, look, Brady's got a lot of free time. Like, okay, you know, he's used to being in full go-mode at this point in the year. But now I'm sure he probably, you know, looking around like, damn, what do I do with myself? On a yacht, you know, send this specialized video. That thing with fanatics, what they do to those personalized videos.  So Brady hitting the drone out of here. I am interested in how many takes it to Tommy Boy. But, you know, impressive content, either way, but also, shout out to Brady being everywhere, doing everything. I mean, do we not expect him to also be the goat of retirement as well? So I'm sure he's just getting started. I don't know, he's kind of, he's kind of- He's looking younger too. He looked like he might be aging back then. Yeah, there's things that can help with that, for sure, do you? I feel like he's, I feel like he's edging you for top off season. Especially, I mean, floor has got to do their thing. Yeah, it's tough. It's always tough to compete with Brady. It's always tough. But I mean, Messi, since that list came out, I think Messi has came down to Miami as well. So I'm just going to write up that list. Shout out to Messi as well. Question for you, because you knew Brady way back when? And when I was talking to Gotham Chopra, who like made the Man in the Arena docuseries, he's very close with Tom, and he was talking about how, you know, post-retirement, he selfishly loves it because he gets his friend, like, in a way that he never had him.   What, like, like, Postmates? Like, what is this? Like, you know, like Tinder? What? And he's, you know, learning like what the world is in 2023. Did you, or whatever, did you, was he like that way back then? Like, did he block everything up? Because I remember a Brady, a young Brady, he was like out in New York. Like, he met Giselle somewhere, you know, like, he was a, he was a bit of a playboy early in his career. When do you think that switch happened? And what was he like back then? When it came to 100% ball, no time for anything else. I think he was, it's probably always like that.  So, when I first became his teammate, it was kind of right before that lockout. And obviously, you know, it was on the different teams and the different leaders to get the teams, you know, together away from the facility and doing their things. And obviously he did great with that. But when it was ball, it was all ball. He was all in regardless of who was on the field, could be offense, could be defense. You know, during special teams, obviously he was probably doing his own thing. But always been locked there, always been a great leader.  And I think once he went to Tampa, we started to see a little more of that. And obviously everybody remembers the Super Bowl celebration.  And I think we'll see more of that now. You know, he's in his mid-40s at this point. So he's living a different life than he was in his mid-20s. But I think he's always kind of had that balance. And then when it was time to lock in, just like MJ Jordan, he had his own life off the court. And once he got in that building and that facility, it was time to practice. So it was time to play. He was trying to rip your heart out. And I think that's the same with Brady. It's very cool to see him and Mr. Beast I mean, I bet he was like, Mr. Beast? But I bet his kids knew all about it and were all obsessed with him. And that probably made time Brady cooler than anything he's ever accomplished on the field. Like, cool, Super Bowl reigns, fun. But like, Mr. Beast, a drone, you hit a drone, and then a guy, and a drutz, okay, cool.  The coolest thing that I've done so far with my kids is halftime show, Rihanna, this past halftime performance. I tweeted about it. The tweet made the broadcast in the Super Bowl. And I just made my teenage daughter's life. She showed all her friends, took a screenshot. I'm still getting cool points for that. I love that that's the thing. It's so funny how things- That's the thing.  Like, how did you get interested in acquiring this? Or what? Oh my kid, I just look at what my kid, like I'm looking at what my 18 year old, 11 year old kid's into. And I was like, that's cool. And that's how things happen. And I decided it's a pretty amazing thing.  So I just hope that your teenage daughter recognizes that at some point. But I was, you know, seeing their signs all over LA about the U.S. Open. It's here, you know, all week long. Did you see this end to the Canadian Open? Okay, this is Canadian Nick Taylor. It's a 72 foot walk-off putt to win in a playoff. What do you think? I mean, the putt, the putt was unbelievable. Musty TV, first Canadian in a really long time. Not really sure the exact year to actually win the Canadian Open. The crowd was electric. But I mean, right after that was even better. That was the best part of it. I think Adam can't remember his last name, coming in, celebrating, giving him the champagne shower and just getting obliterated on the greens like that. Look at this. Oh, he's locked in. I see him. I see him. Well, get off the way, get off the way. Hey, that's good form right there.  You're protecting the skull, protecting the dough. JJ Watt. It's a great power to bring up through there, looking very JJ Wattish. But I mean, that was very fundamentally sound. Hands up, NFL teach tape right there. So shout out to that security. Just doing his job. You know, just doing his job. But I hope everybody's, I hope everybody's all right. I did not see that. I did not see that. What? Listen, that was the first Canadian to win the Canadian Open since 1954. That was 69 years ago. But what would the equivalent to that of that shot? And of course, we have like the, that's an amazing move. The bellichuck's gonna be putting that in the room, making guys watch this. But what's the equivalent to this happening in the NFL? Like the 72 footer here. Oh man, that's, I don't even know. That would be like an offensive alignment, getting a squib kick and taking it to the house like 72 yards. That would be the equivalent of that. Like something you almost never see happen.  But 70, I think that's the longest putt. Longest walk-off putt ever for him. And then longest putt of his career, I believe as well. So, I mean, unbelievable right there from Nick Taylor. Darius Butler can talk all sports. That's the thing. The most versatile, the most versatile DB we know. We listen, we're going on hiatus.  We gotta stop saying it. We're going on vacay at the end of this week. Enjoy your summer. We love you. We love working with you. And we will talk to you soon. We'll see you on other side. We'll see ya. Good luck to your Florida teams. I don't wanna be picking up those pieces and wiping up those tears. Golden Tate, learn how to use Zoom. We'll be back after this on Up and Atoms. You know why me. Golden Tate does what he does so well. He's on the field, but he's got pickleball going on. He's golfer. We gotta get to our next guess. A Super Bowl winning wide receiver who played 11 years in a league winning the Super Bowl with the Seahawks. He got the Lions, the Eagles, the Giants. Currently, listen, I gotta tell you, my friend, Golden Tate, and good morning to you, Yak King. I just got a text from a decade-long NFL veteran who just said, Golden Tate is the golf god. Is that true? Oh, that is, that's big words right there. I wouldn't say golf god, but maybe the prince right now. How's the handicap looking?  It's a sweet spot where I wanted for the games that I play in. We just actually came off of our member guest tournament this past weekend. I hear. Where we earned second in our flight, which is not good enough for our standards. See, that's why so many teams loved you. That's why you won a Super Bowl because you have that sort of mentality. Golden, how are you? I'm good. I'm just trying to dominate dad life and pickleball life and golf life, and it's good. Huh, pickleball life. Listen, I moved to LA, Golden. I don't love it because maybe I need to get into pickleball, which everyone is obsessed with. It's all anybody talks about. There's courts popping up in driveways in Brentwood. Like it's so insane. Michael Phelps, Kevin Durant, they just invested in Major League pickleball. Sell me on why this is cool. Look, I was never a big fan of like going to the gym and like working out, but it was my job, so I had to do it, but I wanted to get a sweat, burn calories, move around, and I feel like this is a great sport to do that, but also be social, meet people, and then you don't walk away being sore for like two days. Like as when I was a kid, I wanted to, you know, when I was young, I wanted to go play basketball in off seasons and then I would golf as well, but as you got older, like I couldn't do that. My knees would be achy for three to four days and so pickleball entered my life and I played ping pong growing up and just kind of started doing that.  Like why not? You can do it, do it right. And they say, no, no, no, it's pickleball. I said, what is pickleball? Who named something pickleball?  Like why would anyone ever play it?  Fast forward to years later moving to San Diego, it started popping up everywhere and I started getting more serious and now it's like how I want to spend my time.  You're selling me on how cool it is. And listen, you used to dodge the baddest cornerbacks on the field, but apparently like the net is public enemy number one. I mean, why take me through this? You know, I was trying to be pro like athlete. And yeah, and it didn't go so well. Maybe I lost a step and the net is one and GT is zero. Yeah, we love to see, listen, we gotta say, we love you playing golf, we love pickleball and that's incredible and you sold me on it and it's just a great way to meet people it sounds like. So I'll be into that. We gotta talk a little NFL here because I can't wait to just get in your brain about a couple of these topics. The Seahawks, let's just start there. I cannot believe, it's been like 10 years. It's been 10 years since you were there, 2013 is the last year. So now you have, when I think of that, I think of nothing but Pete Carroll. The dude is 71 years old. He probably routing people up, playing pickleball out there. He's still working his magic. Last year, everyone was talking, rebuild how much longer will he play and then he goes and makes the playoffs with Gino Smith. Golden, why aren't you surprised that he's still coaching and winning at this age in Seattle? You know, because him and Josh Snyder have just been a awesome combo since I got there. I came in the same year they did and they just have, if you look at them, traditionally over the last decade or more, they draft well and that's the biggest thing and they're all connected from the top to bottom and everything is a partnership there and you just get guys buying in and your drafties are developing to be really good players, all pro bowler type of guys and then they bring in some guys like Diggs and Jamal Adams, if he's healthy and they can just, they can fly. I think, I personally think the Seahawks have a chance to win the division this year. I do too, I'm picking them. I'm going to pick them. I feel like they almost might be favorites. I mean, if you look at it, like, Gino has showed up and, will he have the same year he had last year? Maybe, maybe not. We're hoping so. But look, they're filling so many holes on defense with the draft and then they brought in Julian Love who's a smart versatile safety. They brought in what Draymond Jones who's going to get to the quarterback and that's where they struggled last year on defense and get into the quarterback and if you can get there with their motto of running the ball, they're going to be all right. I love to hear that you say that.  It kind of comes down to quarterback and coaching, right? When you're trying to make those calls this early in it. Is Pete Carroll the best coach in the NFC West? McVay? I believe so. Kyle? I believe so. Why? Yeah. Just what he's done consistently over, I see, the last 13 years. I mean, they have been right there every single year in the one year that they was a rebuilding year they snuck in to the playoffs and then earned them and traded Russell away and earned what I think they had like nine draft picks in this draft. Yeah. Two first runners, two seconds. I mean, that is just genius to me. And so they're always right there and they're consistent every single year. Now, we wish we would have had a few more Super Bowls, but it is what it is. It is what it is. Maybe they get there this year. Who knows that NFC is like easy pickings. It looks like your former quarterback in Seattle, Russell Wilson, I looked at what you, if you had any thoughts about him watching him sort of struggle in Denver. You were on the podcast. You said something about like he's lost his confidence, like the confidence in the quarterback we had at the helm. I'm not seeing that guy. And he had a tough year objectively, right? And there were some, some stories that leaked out of the locker room, special treatment. He had a private office. As you're watching him last season struggle, what is going through your head? You don't feel bad, man. He's been on top of the world for the majority of his career and his time in Seattle just expired. I mean, it was his time for Seattle to go a different way and him to go a different way from whatever differences they had. And Denver went and gave away the entire bank for him and for him to get there with so many expectations, feeling so much pressure and not be able to perform. I know that, I know that really crushed him. However, the Russell Wilson I know is working his tail off this off season. And him partnering with Sean Payton, I think, is going to be magical. Russell Wilson, one of his mentors is Drew Brees. Drew Brees and Sean Payton were together a long time. I can see this really, I can see them really turning it around. They have players around them. Now, they can't let the pressure of what's going on get to them because there's a lot of pressure on Russell and Sean Payton considering what they have given up for these two guys. I mean, there's not too many times I've heard trades and there's a coach involved, right? So if they can get over that, I feel like they're going to be fine. Now, unfortunately, the division they're in is very, very, very tough and full of star quarterbacks. We know quarterbacks and coaches' combinations are kind of a winny recipe. But I think they're going to have a fighting chance and he's definitely going to have a much better year than he did last season. I think so, too, is a really tough division. But I think you're right if Sean Payton, you know, when you say the thing about not eating the pressure of it, like Sean will not, Sean will not feel pressured and he'll hopefully fix some of those things there. So Russell Wilson and those guys can have a better year.  You're not just a pickleball guy. You're not just a football guy. You're not just a golf god, says Darius Butler. Oops, but you are a baseball guy, right? You could have played professionally. I want to get your reaction to this video that circulated this weekend.  First of all, what do you make of the play?  Talk to me. None.  Like so many things were wrong and that would have been awful. Nice greedy going into home, home play. That's nice, but just gotta really be careful.   Eagles fans can't be happy to see that. Here's another thing. You were like the king of celebrations, Golden. Literally, we're watching him this morning. So fun. Can you believe the grit? Listen, the Macarena, the Nene, the Sting.  The grittiest still alive. How long is the gritty gonna live? I think as long as Justin Jefferson's around, it's gonna live at this point. I've really been disappointed in the touchdown celebrations since my departure of the NFL. I need more creativity. I need more out of there from these guys. And speaking of celebrations, my son came up here a moment ago and was doing some dances trying to distract me. Where is he? And now he's on a peloton. Come here, son. Come here, bud. Give us a little something. Come here. I'll still up. He's on a peloton. Here's what I think it should be. Ready? I think players should, I think Justin Jefferson, or not Justin Jefferson.  Okay, funny person. Oh my gosh, Golden. He's so cute. Thank you. This is Golden Fourth. This is my little joke right here. Back to you, Kay. Anyway, trying to throw shade. I woke up this morning thinking like, yeah, there needs to be a pickleball celebration, but not going into the net, Kay. Something with a pickle. I don't know what that would be. We'll workshop it. You and I will figure it out. Golden, I love you. It's good to see you. Much love to you and your family.   We love you. Golden Tate, everybody. We'll be back. Bye. All right, let's do it. First basket bets is an up and downs thing over at Fandall Sportsbook. I picked Jamal Murray. Here's who you guys picked all over the place. Okay, we're Gordon. Lots of LeBron and Joker. You guys can check out all the odds. And the value over at Fandall Sportsbook, Darius Butler said the value was bam. He's running it back. I'm saying it's Jamal Murray. Hamilton, who you got? Quick. I'm going Michael Porter Jr. He's had a rough series, but I think he gets to go on tonight. Starts it off. I'm sorry. You can't pick Ellie Cruz for this one. Barton, who you got? I got Aaron Gordon. Who you got? I'm gonna go with Bam. I'm with Darius. Eric's with Bam. Who you got? Conrad. Jamal Murray. Jamal Murray. All right, first basket tonight. Game five. Congrats to the Nuggets for winning the finals. And to Stan Cronkey, Avalanche, Rams and no Nuggets. The trifecta. We'll be back tomorrow. Thanks Golden Tate and thanks Darius Butler.


Welcome everybody. I hope you guys are doing well. Today we will talk about hiking the Inca Trail to Machu Picchu and I'm going to be joined by our guide in Peru who's going to help us understand what the whole trek entails and he will help us answer some of the questions that I've been receiving over the past few days. Let me introduce you to Roger. He's going to be our guide when we go to Peru and he is the same guide that I hiked the Inca Trail with back in 2018 if I'm not wrong. So Roger why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself and then we'll go ahead and start. Good afternoon everyone. This is Roger. I'm actually a tour guide for about 14 almost 15 years ago. I've been hiking a lot actually. I started my job actually hiking in a locally La Cusco area and after I went up to other countries such as Bolivia, Chile, Argentina, Ecuador and also part of North America where I actually have a bit of sense how hiking can be in different countries. So I've been also into day trips such as you know city tours, agrivalid tours around my city. I've been traveling also with groups around Peru areas so I think I have a bit of experience in terms of like you know hiking and day trips in general. Yeah so I'm here with now trekking pals trying to actually bring groups to my country Peru and do some hiking here in Cusco region. So if anybody is scared, if anybody is thinking about it, if anybody thinks maybe or gets sick in the altitude well let me tell you that maybe you should be because hiking is not actually that easy sometimes especially in high altitudes but you guys will get help from us you know from trekking pals and Cusco area will be the operator of first step expeditions that we are willing to actually work with people and 99% of the groups I got it succeeded sorry 99.99%. Cool that's awesome. Made it to Machu Picchu, hiking on the Inca Trail, different hikes in Cusco and well for this for today I think we're planning on talking just about the Inca Trail probably. Yeah so thank you for the for the intro Roger and I'm really I was lucky that I did the Inca Trail with you because I remember stories from when I did it and I was not as prepared as I should have been at that time but it was still a wonderful adventure. Anyway so for today what I want us to do I want us to focus just on the Inca Trail and hiking the Inca Trail and again there are different trails to get to Machu Picchu but we will focus on the classic Inca Trail to Machu Picchu because this is what we are doing for our group trip from November 6th to November 16th. So maybe Roger let's start with the general overview for somebody who doesn't know what the Inca Trail what the classic Inca Trail entails. Well I mean the details about the trail it's actually challenging by doable. I mean the altitude is probably one of the main things that most of people are afraid of but well when I when I actually take people to Machu Picchu on the for the Inca Trail most of people do feel the altitude but sometimes it makes it worse when people actually are not are not careful with bacterias like touching animals touching I don't know different rocks that they can get a bacteria and sometimes they eat things with their hands so people sometimes get bacterias and they can also get sick and adding only the altitude can be an issue. Actually usually from Cusco City we tend to live by three by four in the morning and get to the head of the trail by a 738 in the morning so we normally start hiking by 830 you know and the total length of the Inca Trail is only about a 26 and a half almost 27 miles which is actually a bit more than one normal marathon will basically do a marathon in four days so they give us plenty time to actually enjoy the hike in our own pace yeah so day one it's actually called as a training day the the trail is not that bad it's kind of flat-ish until lunch and after lunch we gain some elevation actually the first campsite it's located at 10,300 feet roughly which is around 3300 meters like 3300 meters you know so it's kind of a bit lower than Cusco City so the day one usually call it as a training day because we'll try to get into the trail in our own pace and kind of test ourselves you know how the trail would be will feel like in the following days so day one as I said you know it's called as a training day where the morning hike is not that bad just the afternoon hike is some elevation gain until our first campsite the second day is actually known as the challenging day as probably you remember a senorita so Haviva because we tend to do the day the the second day we we conquer two mountains the first one is actually known as Dead Woman's Pass and the second one is Runkurakai Pass having lunch in between the two mountains I usually said and I normally say if we reach the highest point which is Dead Woman's Pass the Inka Trail is already done yeah because obviously that will be the highest point of our trek and once we get there there is only one way and that will be Machu Picchu Inka City but to be able to get to the highest point of the Inka Trail is actually a good climb the climb is it's actually for about a from three three hundred meters up to four two hundred meters so it's around a one thousand two hundred meters so that will make like almost four thousand feet elevation gain on the second day so after the top it's just like an hour and a half downhill so the campsite is like around 12,000 feet so the highest point of the Inka Trail is at 13,800 feet so the Inka Trail after Dead Woman's Pass and we go down to lunch we'll drop some elevation and after gain a lot of elevation to the second pass but the second pass is not as high as the first one as Dead Woman's Pass yeah so that will make it maybe a easier the hike but in the while we're hiking it's not just like walking with our heads down and just you know being thinking about who we're gonna make it or not so we're gonna do a lot of rakes we're gonna just enjoy the landscapes we're gonna take photos group photos individual photos we're gonna stop for toilets probably that's one of the main concerns for a lot of people maybe I will get the question soon or I can also also tell you but on the trail there are toilets the views on the Inka Trail will be probably the motivation for a lot of people yeah because every step you take is usually a photo opportunity or a view opportunity you know even if we stop for toilet on the way like find a happy bush in the way the views are just amazing where people usually said I had the best toilet stop in my life because I had an amazing view you know so that can be also good motivation for a lot of people well usually day two we tend to hike for about a nine to ten hours we usually try to reach our campsite before it gets dark so by November the days will get a little longer so it gets dark by 6 6 30 p.m so usually we want to get to the campsite by 5 4 30 p.m so we love and we also do all start hiking early in the morning you know we love to do that when we have good breeze you know and it's cooler because sometimes during the day it can get really hot and that can be uncomfortable too for a lot of people but I'm not promising that we're gonna hike just in the shade you know there will be sun exposure we're gonna enjoy the sun to sun heat too on the hike so day two became to be as challenging day because you know of the climb of two mountain passes and having a long distance covering and reaching the campsite actually by 5 p.m and obviously enjoying all the Inka original Inka highway or Inka trail that also one of the reasons why people do this beautiful trek you know well the third day is not too bad you know I actually call the third day as the happy day because it's only a morning hike but elevation drop is for about 3,300 feet drop so if anybody will ask me it's like a lot of uphill and downhill yes yeah there is a lot of uphill and downhill so if you need any training well I will recommend you guys to actually get into stairs up and stairs down yeah but all of the stairs are actually pretty nice too and the views still rewarding and all of that on the third day we get to our campsite by usually noon or 1 p.m at most we have lunch and free afternoon you know where people usually try to rest and lie down and recover and get some energy back so the four days the Machu Picchu day from the last campsite to Machu Picchu it's only two hours hike so we should be reaching a Machu Picchu Inka city by 7 in the morning you know and by that time during May usually the sun rises happen by that time by 6.47 in the morning so we're lucky that day we probably will reach Machu Picchu for the sunrise guys and obviously that after Machu Picchu Inka city guided tour and all of that we need to take the bus to go down to the town and actually get a train to get back home or back but get back to Cusco you know hopefully we all will go back to Cusco and be in the city by let's say 6 p.m or 7 p.m. at most so the trail once more guys starting from day one and ending on the last day doable most of people I guided you know they never did something like this before and that will be an example maybe of Habiba that is probably telling you that she wasn't ready for that but she made it you know it's it's usually I'm not saying that you don't have to train you need to train but I do I do want you to have you know a positive mind because most of the things we do in terms of adventures it's 90% mental and 10% physical absolutely and I agree with you I feel like day two was certainly the toughest day but then once that day is over you feel like you're having much more fun on the trail for day three and four it's much more leisure hiking than really fighting to make your way up mm-hmm so Roger one of the questions I'm going to ask you some of the questions that I've been receiving the first concern or questions what happens if somebody we start on the trail first day maybe second day they're not feeling very well on on the mountain on on the track what are the options for trackers in case they have to go back I mean depending of the of where it happens if the problem happens after that woman's past the highest point you know there's only one way and obviously you will try and will help the person doing different little things but if the person gets sick before the pass there's chances of going back to Cusco or you know back to kilometer 82 in this case would it be a company with either my second guide or another guide or a porter that will actually take the person all the way to kilometer 82 yeah on the Inca trail it's not allowed to actually use helicopters or have a helicopter lift yeah um so walking will be and depending what it happened it can be a stretcher but rarely rarely happens these problems you know and usually on day one is when people you know feel like feel the the the problems like either having altitude problems or maybe getting a bacteria for something that they ate in Cusco city or somewhere else so so so there is there is an option should anything go wrong it's not that you are stuck there you can get medical attention if necessary and you can go back to kilometer 82 or the start of the trail yeah in this nearby one on near like an hour away from the first campsite uh or close to our first campsite there is a little clinic from the village so if there is any emergencies also the clinic can ask you well the the client need to go to the clinic obviously a company with us we can take the person and see what is gonna what's happening you know but once the person gets the option of like or things like they need a clinic obviously the person will need to go back to kilometer 82 so so the clinic on not in kilometer 82 on the trail before before camp for day one yeah day one like near or close to our first campsite there is a small clinic but that is actually from the village okay but they can always see people and tell us maybe what is the problem i will probably tell us like the person need to go back and also since there are communities on day one it's possible to hire a horse and ride the horse back to kilometer 82 in case the person is not able to walk anymore oh perfect that that's very good to know yeah um the other question that i receive is about uh high altitude sickness obviously this is something to expect on the infertile uh from your experience what tips or advice do you have for people or things to do before the trek or during the trek to avoid high altitude sickness well altitude sickness it's actually uh it's something that that is unpredictable you know probably the nice thing about altitude sickness is that it doesn't discriminate people uh and depending how you are but like scientifically proved like if people have like big muscles you know these people these boys or ladies you know need more oxygen um and also by drinking water sometimes is not enough if the person is tall or a bit large you know so i usually recommend to bring powder electrolytes the ones that people use when they are dehydrated uh electrolytes like we buy sometimes like Gatorade Powerade in my personal opinion that's useless because those drinks they only have sugar um and that's something that it doesn't really help as much with the you know dehydration one of the symptoms of altitude sickness has been dehydrated so if you bring powder electrolytes that can actually help you in cases of dehydration that will help you a lot yeah um in cusco in cusco city we actually have a small fluid this one i don't know if you try it i'll take it on the trail it's called our florida yeah this is actually one of the fluids that we we we give it to the clients in case they get a little bit of altitude sickness it's a bigger bottle what is it made of they're different aromas this is only made of aromatic flowers and alcohol it was actually invented by a new york couple that actually clears up the sinus cities and makes you breathe better um so during the trips the trips that we're gonna do that will definitely help because our bodies will actually try or your bodies will try to understand the altitude better um and that will be a big help because during the day trips in cusco city like going on city tour sacred valley tour or moving around your body will be like getting into the altitude little by little so if you control your breathing in case you get altitude sickness in cusco city that will help you a lot when i will pick you up in cusco airport i will actually take you to hotels and i will give you obviously more instructions but the best way maybe to actually get adjusted adjusted to the altitude in in cusco city is by moving slowly you know i know a lot of people get excited when they get to cusco city you know and they want to go everywhere because there are llamas everywhere there are locals everywhere there stores everywhere and they want to do quick but if you move fast and and forget about like hydrating yourselves altitude is going to affect you it's going to actually uh it's going to make you dehydrated and during the nights you will feel you know your headaches and also you might not be able to sleep because your body did not actually get enough oxygen and obviously enough water or liquid or fluid uh so drinking water or electrolytes is one of the ways second way it's actually having this little fluid on it and if you guys get to the level that you need oxygen well cusco has many places to get oxygen every hotel in cusco has oxygen tanks so they can also give you that but if you don't want to get all of this oxygen and being sick maybe for hours or maybe one or two days probably guys being taking it out taking it easy may will help you and always go on a slow pace and actually trying to help each other might help you diamox a lot of people believe that diamox helps with the altitude it's true in some ways but remember that diamox is already make you go to the toilet more make you pee a lot so if you don't replace the fluids that you are actually exposing in the toilet so you will still get altitude sickness yeah so you just need to replace water constantly you drink and you you more you'll go to the toilet right away now coca leaves coca leaves it helps yeah coca leaves or coca tea it helps but if any of you guys or any of your group will have like hard problems i don't recommend to drink coca tea or chill coca leaves for those people because coca makes people hyper yeah you can have coca tea yes as long as you're okay as long as you know that you are fine but if you know that your heart it's not normal like other people probably you may not have to or you may not need to drink coca tea guys yeah remember one of the alkalis of coca leaves is cocaine and that makes you hyper yeah so the three days prior the hike will help you guys to understand the altitude and maybe for the hike will know our bodies better and will be able to actually do and deal with altitude yeah now i mentioned it earlier that sometimes people i mean people yeah feel the altitude but if you get sick with a bacteria that might make it a little worse yeah so when you come to cusco or to Peru try to eat in safe places their restaurants were actually recommended to go there are local places that are pointed out to you in our walking tour in cusco city once you reach to the place to the city uh and well for dinners or lunch to you know when you have them on your own i can always tell you where but don't i mean try not to go and eat in like very very cheap places in cusco city yeah or Peru in general at least before the hike maybe after the hike you can try anything if you survive the hike nothing can kill you guys trust me yeah so no no street food before the trail before the trek after that you're free there are yeah we have some safe places to eat that i know and i can take you because i've been we've been working with those people and all the groups that we took to the place that were totally okay with the food so so but there are other places where probably you shouldn't go okay yeah so if i heard that in the states or like like any country people can actually get vaccines for cholera right if if it's possible i mean just in case you know that can be a good option too okay cool and in Peru never drink never drink tap water guys cool and so on that on that note about the water so we'll have and ask everybody to stick to bottled water and then on the trail we are getting boiled water from the chefs on a daily basis correct yes every lunch stop and campsite will give you boil and cool the water okay so safe water no ways that you will get sick with the water yeah okay yes it's provided it's included until the last campsite okay perfect on the hike on the hike you know there will be like breakfast lunch and dinner every day and in between a lunch and dinner like once we get to the campsite there will be always chances of grabbing tea you know or coffee in case people like i know like in north america or other continents in the world like coffee is a big thing where people love coffee you know so if you let's say are addicts to coffee and if you don't have it you know normally one of the effects is like having headaches so sometimes people get confused you know like when they stop drinking coffee because it's recommended not to do that in the altitude yeah but what happened when people don't have something that they really need and it's a daily thing it will affect them and it will make it worse also with the altitude so have your coffee if you're addicted to it guys yeah that's a good point because you will be confused whether it's just the addiction or really high altitude yeah the other thing i was going to ask your order is about the oxygen canisters you mentioned earlier that they are usually available in the hotels on the trail are we going to have some backups just in case yeah we you know the our company is well equipped with things so we will take walkie-talkies where we'll be in contact with a chef and the porters who will be always ahead of us i'll be connected with the second guy that will be with us also on the hike so if anything happened they will be able also to come back and and help the people who needs help too on the trail because in some ways you know for the porters you know the in-cat trail is basically a piece of cake you know and they just basically run up and down so they can always help people too on the hike but oxygen yes we'll actually take oxygen bottles guys too for the group in case anybody needs them you know we get all the camping equipment like tents you know sleeping pads we'll take all the cooking equipment all the food the group will have two chefs you know the rest of the porters so we actually work with people who have a good hiking experience in terms of porters chefs guides and all the supplies that we need for the trek on the in-cat trail in on the in-cat trail we need to know we need to be self-sufficient guys yeah and we'll be self-sufficient and we are self-sufficient of any hike so it'll feel like a small community for the four-day trek that we're doing or we'll do on november okay so there is a question about walking sticks tracking poles do you recommend walking sticks for this hike oh yeah yes hiking boots walking sticks proper hiking pants a dry fit shirts yeah I usually recommend long sleeved shirts because there are mosquitoes in in some campsites yeah and if you they have UV protection even better sun hat windbreakers is the beginning of the rainy season november you know so it doesn't rain as much but we'll have some drizzles for sure so we need to be ready for that we'll provide some rain ponchos but if you can bring a rain jacket rain pants for the hike even better you know that will help you a lot now the campsites are pretty are pretty nice not as cold as other places the coldest campsite will be the second one yeah and the warmest campsite will be the third one the second one the temperature will be like let's say 32 degrees Fahrenheit okay yeah so at that time because november is the beginning of summer but the summer in cusco we kind of you know it's a little different the summer in cusco during the nights is still a little cold but during the days are pretty nice yeah usually so yes walking sticks hiking boots proper rain proper pants rain pants rain jackets sunglasses sunscreen mosquitoes did are recommended to ring on the hike okay so we will be just an FYI for everybody who's watching we will be sending a detailed list to everybody who's joining us on our group trip from november 6th to november 16th we will be sharing a detailed list of everything that you need to pack on the trail so that should be a problem i wanted to talk a little bit more about training because that's the that's an important thing i tell people if you want to have fun and have a pleasant experience on the mountain you have to train so what are some of your tips for people out here to start preparing for the track um i mean for my first inka trail i'll never train but i do recommend to train for you definitely if anybody's into swimming good because swimming is actually a good sport for to control your breathing and your lung capacity yeah and if you're into hiking and you have a good backyard where you have uphills and downhills go for it just don't get that excited and run down the hills or run up the hills because on the downhills we kind of we kind of need to pace ourselves especially on the stairs down you know um hiking for sure like if you if you can hike you know like uphills and downhills i think the inka trail won't be an issue most of people i i guide it and i don't know if you agree uh have eva you know they complain a bit about the downhills part the downhill part you know because sometimes people are they don't have good balance and that's why we recommend to bring walking sticks because you keep your balance well and in that way you can just go downhill on your own pace but also going too slow in downhill is not recommended because you're hurting your knees you know by standing for too long you know walking down for too long so that hurts your knees a little bit so if you keep a decent pace with the walking sticks i think you won't hurt your knees and you should be fine when you will reach the land stops and campsites yeah so yes a little yes a little training if you guys have time most of people usually don't have time to do much training you know if you find stairs at least in some buildings try to take them up and down and that may help you yeah but if you do have a nice backyard golf or a day hike and go up and down you know and that will help you totally for the inka trail which is which we all find hundreds and hundreds or even thousands and thousands of stairs yeah yeah that's the thing about the inka trail which um when i did it i didn't expect a lot of stairs but also the way the stairs are it's mostly rocks and some of the stairs are pretty narrow so you really have to watch your feet and like you said that's why using tracking poles will help you with stability and can be really useful yes yes so i got it people also who went to the escalator or inka later thing on the states that what they're trying the trains on them on themselves you know like trying to get or understand how hiking what it feels like it helps any little thing it helps remember that but during your training don't get hurt that's why i'm saying don't get too crazy yeah let's say if you're going to train and you find stairs down try to walk on them on sideways so in that way it won't as you won't hurt your knees as much and if you're going to actually practice with walking sticks you can actually try to make your sticks like on the chest height for the downhills and go you know remember that on the downhills you should your sticks go first and after you yeah so you gotta first stick the stick your walking sticks in a safe place that you can it can hold your weight a little bit and after take the step down yeah and that you should repeat that constantly and you'll see that your body will actually understand the rhythm and that will be actually pretty good for the inka trail well on the inka trail i will tell you all of these small details again but since you guys have you know some time to get to train and get maybe an idea this can be a good opportunity you know to go on little day hikes you know or just climb a hill that you never wanted but this will be a chance that it will make you want to go to just to test yourself and see how it feels like yeah so yeah remember that on the first two days we'll go for from almost 10,000 feet up to almost 14,000 feet so in two days we'll reach that elevation now from two from 14,000 feet we'll go to 8,000 feet which is Machu Picchu inka city i'm doing this overview know like we're going to go up and after down it's like a big capital letter m and after straight down and flat section so it's not going to be us all uphill and all downhill there are some nice places to some nice flat sections where we're going to we can enjoy and let our let our legs rest for a little bit what is your favorite section on the inka trail your personal favorite oh i mean my my my favorite part is actually day two okay because i see people suffering no just kidding yes kidding yes kidding no no no no no uh the inka trail is it's beautiful in general yeah it's amazing you you know a habiba but i think i think the day that i really enjoyed the most is the third day yeah third day uh even for me as a guide i even have more time to talk with my people you know and even like tell them more stories because i know we have time to actually get to the campsite we go the afternoon you know it's not like the other days we're gonna run no we're gonna take it slow but there's always the concern of like we're gonna reach it on time you know because the first two days are pretty long but the third day and the fourth day are kind of easier we got time to reach the third campsite and machu Picchu and the views you know and the foresty area the cloud forest the inka highway the inka sites also are pretty amazing yeah that day i would say is my faith but maybe maybe other people once you will be there you will tell me you know which day will be yours i tell you what for me i really enjoyed day three because a it was easier and i was just suffering on day two and also i think what day three was when we saw the cloud forest is that correct yeah so yeah for me seeing the cloud forest was probably one of the best things for me on the on the inka trail and there were a lot of llamas and alpacas all around so i liked it too mm-hmm yeah the llamas are there too yeah oh by the way and some wildlife so what are some of the things um i mean just general tips about how to interact with the the wildlife there and things that we should be aware of i mean you know by knowledge generic generic knowledge you know the the historical park of machu Picchu the total area is about 20 000 square miles yeah and in that little space or big space or large space we got 50 archaeological sites and over 18 000 species of flora and fauna meaning animals and vegetation yeah on our trip yeah on our on the on the trail that we're gonna follow because there is actually people every day the chances of seeing wildlife close by us it will be a big challenge we might not see in our trail wildlife unless we are lucky and we can spot on a distance you know uh i don't know golden foxes uh if we're lucky like i've never i only saw once in home i got in life a mountain lion that was like you know that's how rare is like we might not see it i saw a bear i saw bears like seven times in home i got in life and i've been guiding for like 14 years already um there's white tail deer maybe we'll see white tail deer on the way um there are snakes so snakes don't like people so they will they'll be away from us so and maybe we'll be more chances of seeing birds yeah a lot of birds hummingbirds the the giant hummingbird like a lot of a hawks falcons a we're gonna see maybe two kens on the third day a all sorts of butterflies you know butterflies don't kill you guys so you should be fine with them yeah i mean and the vegetation you know no one actually found poison oak on the bushes when they go to the toilet nobody got rashes from the vegetation what i know and well there are toilets in the campsites too and lunch stops so in case people are afraid of going to the bushes or the vegetation for toilets well there will be toilets in every campsites and lunch stops and if there are toilets we gotta use them right so wildlife in uh in the inka trail it's it's fine it's totally okay so and the bears that i mentioned guys they are not aggressive even if we see them with the babies and the cubs these bears will run away from us there's no records reported that a bear attack a person or a person go killed by a bear no never there's no reports also of mountain lions killing people it never happened you know because it's rare to see one because there are many people every day walking in the area so one of the things that we will enjoy the most will be the vegetation for sure yeah vegetation of the clough forest which is actually known as the beginning of the amazon so that is a neat vegetation gaze yeah awesome awesome well thank you so much roger this is all great information if you guys have any additional questions about hiking the inka trail please feel free to leave them in the comments we will be happy to answer them and in the meantime i think the other question that keeps uh coming my way is around packing for the inka trail when in a in a backpack what should you have on your day hikes hair dryer for sure and an oven yes no no that's a yoga stand there is no electricity on the inka trail guys yeah no power so in your day pack you all will need a day pack yeah because that will be basically your partner on the inka trail yeah on the inka trail will provide you this double box yeah this double box will be the ones that will be provided so you can pack all your personal items that you guys will have access to them only at the campsites yeah but you will have your day pack every day with you so your day pack should be with camel back or water canteens yeah you should actually get water canteens or camel bags for like three liters each yeah so if you find a camel back maybe that will be a two liter one or maybe three and besides the camel back you still need to bring up a nice water bottle a reusable one yeah why i'm saying that because sometimes people don't want to mix the electrolytes in the camel back because the taste will stay in the camel back yeah but if you have an extra bottle you can mix your electrolytes in that one and you can always drink for that and mix anything over there yeah so water canteens or camel bags will be useful for your day pack i saw a lot of people bringing this all spray backpack which is pretty good for hiking actually it has a lot of nice pouches where they are very useful yeah and also your day pack should be your rain jacket rain pants every day sunscreen mosquitoes did sunglasses sun hat just in case a warm a warm layer like a fleece yeah and also a first aid kit a personal first aid kit yeah every person should have that we all take one first aid kit but we also recommend our clients to bring their own if any person has any medical condition that is not that serious yeah bring the pills or the or the or the pills that they are recommended to take yeah all be important for you i saw a lot of people who have suffered with asthma so bring the inhaler please don't forget to do that yeah um what else walking sticks will be should be with you every day by the end of the hike you will be glad that you brought them or you can always rent them from us we go with good walking sticks the carbon and aluminium type yeah that you can actually make it longer or shorter yeah they are pretty good for hiking and they are very light to carry guys so it will be comfortable for you in case you rent them from us but in case you want to bring your own you're totally welcome to do that yeah so your day pack also you need to have some snacks guys snacks that people are used to or like it sometimes when people get altitude sickness altitude sickness it stops hunger but if they have snacks or food that they like maybe your your tummies will be more like accepting that that kind of food and at least you will have some food in your tummy yeah so some little snacks will be recommended chocolate most of people do like chocolate I do recommend to bring chocolate you know also for your guides okay um you need to bring some granola bars yeah that I saw a lot of cliff bars that people bring actually those are pretty useful and easy to eat you know if you're one of those people who are like munchers like munching constantly guys bring a snacks your own we'll give you snacks but those are small ones you know there will be a fruit you know a chocolate or granola and granola bar but if you guys bring your own snacks that you like you are used to welcome yeah um that should be in your day packs guys every day you know important and never forget your headland or flashlight the headland of flashlight every day in your day pack every day no matter what yeah now in your duffel bags obviously in your duffel bags you need to actually take some clean clothes to change at the campsites maybe and also your warm clothes that you need them also to sleep in during the nights yeah and also your sleeping bag if you're bringing your own make sure that the duffel bag is actually I'm sorry that the sleeping bag it's probably below 32 degrees Celsius sorry Fahrenheit yeah below 32 degrees Fahrenheit it will be the recommendation of the of the sleeping bags that you can bring for the Inca trail yeah and if you're renting from us the sleeping bags are for seasons the ones that we have and they can actually handle the cold without any problem yeah we also provide liners with the sleeping bags guys in here yeah liners are like small little sheets that you can actually fit in first and after the sleeping bag on and you can just pass out and sleep like baby llamas uh-huh so pretty pretty much you don't need much on the Inca trail guys yeah don't overpack you know overpacking it will make you carry things for nothing but if you if you want to overpack maybe take things that might be useful for you in terms of like first aid you know like band aid for blisters for example in your first aid make sure to have a small needle just in case guys because if you guys get a blister on day one on day two we gotta pop that blister no if you don't if you don't pop the blister that blister is gonna grow and the wound is gonna get bigger so it's better to pop it put a small skin on it and good to go it burns a little bit but no pain no gain right yeah um yeah i think we covered a lot of things do you have anything else that you want to share with the all of us here yeah i'm excited to meet you guys yeah uh well the Inca trail is one of the 10 top hikes in the world for the National Geographic Society so it's actually highly recommended to do the Inca trail many people think that the Inca trail is pretty crowded yeah until they get to Machu Picchu Inca city obviously in Machu Picchu we cannot avoid the crowds but on the Inca trail it's not as crowded as many people would think yeah because the Inca trail only sells 500 tickets and actually 350 are the porters and 150 are tourists yeah so there will be more porters and guides than tourists actually and the camp says that we manage a little bit different than the others so in that way we can avoid the crowds and stay on our own if possible yeah so since there are options to go to Machu Picchu and one of them is by train but all of you are deciding to hike yeah i would recommend you to enjoy the journey yeah more than the destination Machu Picchu will be there you will take a photo of it and i can even send you a photo of it but your experience of hiking in the end is the feeling of it is way different and you guys will experience all of that with us so i'll see you soon yeah and you know roger that's what i tell people you can take the train but that feeling when you work so hard for four days and you get to the site you appreciate it more and you feel like you really deserve to be there yep all right awesome well thank you so much roger for your time i am so excited to see you and we'll we'll keep in touch and we'll certainly talk to you before we see you in Peru yes see you soon all right take care and thank you everyone for coming in today and thank you guys for all of your questions we'll see you in the next live stream yep see you bye bye


Question is from Tom LeBonk official. What are the benefits of caffeine cycling and how should I do it? Yeah, you know the benefits of cycling any type of a substance including caffeine that has Such an acute effect on the body makes it awesome again. Yeah is this like when you look at a substance You want to ask yourself? What are the what are the benefits? I'm getting from this So this is what I this is what I've done this with caffeine. Why am I taking this? Yeah? I look at caffeine. I think to myself the benefits are I get lots of energy. I'm up I feel less pain. I'm a better human. I feel more motivated You know my athletic performance goes up, so I want to get those benefits from caffeine Now what are the negatives that I can potentially get with caffeine? Well, I can get nervous It can affect my sleep. It can cause elevated heart rate It can affect my digestion maybe poorly So I want to maximize the positives and mitigate the negatives. Well, here's what happens when you use a substance like caffeine Existently your tolerance goes up very quickly with caffeine because your tolerance goes up You need more and more to try and get some of the benefits But as your your the amount increases so do the negatives and at some point the negatives start to outweigh the positives so the benefits of caffeine cycling are maximizing the benefits and minimizing the negatives but it takes discipline so like for me I found that caffeine three days a week is ideal three days a week I have about two to three hundred milligrams caffeine before my workout because that's when I get the most benefit and the days in between I don't have any caffeine at all when I have it every single day I notice that after a short period of time because caffeine really you get you gain tolerance caffeine very quickly. I Notice that having it daily. It just starts to turn into I need caffeine to feel normal Which to me is very much I've lost the benefit. This is true for a lot of Yeah, pretty much anything. Yeah, I think I think it's with all drugs. I mean caffeine the drug And it's one that we it's socially accepted. We all do it. There's a Starbucks in every corner But the reality of it is I mean personally if I if I want to enjoy the benefits of the drug the same way I did the first, you know, handful of times that I had it I have to cycle off it to get that same feeling so And and this is so individualized, right? I mean if you looked at mine Sal Doug and Justin's caffeine consumption, it's all different and it's to each their own You know I'm saying like some I really enjoy a cup of coffee every single morning. I don't know if I'll ever I mean I when I cycle off, I don't have it, but I don't think I would consistently do something that Sal's doing were I only a few days a week. Yeah, only a few days a week. I enjoy having a cup of coffee every single morning It's just something I enjoy to do but I also have just these things that I pay attention to and that is You know one cup of coffee turns into two then turns into three then turns into four and You know before I know it I'm doing that and then I'm having a pre-workout or having energy drink on top of it And so I'm I know myself and what kind of like how that scales And so I just kind of have this hey once I get to a point where I'm having you know Four cups of coffee which sounds like a lot, but I'm actually saying real four cups Like most people's mug is a cup and a half in itself like once I get to a place where I've drank Four cups of coffee Which is basically two big cups that I'd have in the morning once I'm like reaching for more That's always my sign to go back the other direction And that's just kind of how I always do it and I go back the other direction by scaling back first Which that that four cups is now like three to two to two and a half Eventually one to then go into a fast where I'm off of it completely and I for me It only seems that I have to take about a week or two of none at all to get that same feeling when I get back on It's the same thing that I met when I mess with things like Kratom It's the same way that I mess with things like cannabis. I notice the same type of facts like something that could be Start with me just a little bit every single day to multiple times in a day And once I feel myself scaling up on any of those types of drugs I I wing myself off slowly then I go to a fast And then depending on how long I'll fast a little bit longer with weed typically But with caffeine I take about a week or two off and then come back and it feels like it's the first time I've had caffeine again. Yeah, the slow weaning process is more tolerable Isn't it because it's like going from four cups to none. That's not gonna happen. Oh, it's brutal It's brutal and so there's a different way. There's a few different ways you can cycle it the way Adam's talking about I think is a is a better way to do it if you want to if you want to come down and what I've typically recommended to clients was to Reduce their caffeine intake by a quarter Every week so after four weeks, they're off so it gives them a four week period So it's like four cups goes to three do that for a week goes down to two goes that do that for week one and then none And then reintroduce it the other way you could do it is by doing what I'm doing now Which I actually prefer this because I hated the complete fast so much Like I hated the week that was off my workouts sucked They're just it was terrible, and I didn't like it when my tolerance was up either There was like a few weeks there that sucked you so the other way to do it is just to use it in a way That doesn't meet them that doesn't require you to cycle it like again like what I'm doing three days a week I don't need to cycle it. It's just three days a week Monday Wednesday Friday. That's it I'm strict with that. I never have to go completely off And I avoid that oh yeah, I think I think if you're using it less than your I mean if you're yeah If you're using it less than what you're off of it, you're gonna be fine Yeah, it's when you start getting to where we're at where it's every day And then it's multiple times a day, and then you're yeah, I enjoy that cup man I'm gonna be honest like that's that's one of those things like I have gone off before but it was just like Not my existence. Well, I like the ritual. I like the ritual of it. Yeah, I really do I enjoy that the smell out with us not just the smell of the coffee brewing in my house in the morning I enjoy sitting down and reading articles and sipping on the coffee So for me, it's not just the caffeine effect. Although that's obviously an amazing side effect of it It's the ritual.  That's a problem. Like I don't need that I don't need, you know something right beforehand to get me up and lively.  Yeah, now they're drinking coffee energy drinks didn't really exist I mean the only energy drink I can remember as a kid was jolt cola and I think it had 50 gram Cola and Mountain Dew I mean Mountain Dews weren't those weren't pretty high and and those weren't considered energy They're nothing dude. It's like 48 milligrams of caffeine, which is which is nothing So consumption is gonna now caffeine itself is not bad But if you have an intolerance to it or you're sensitive to it, it could be very bad And this is different from person to person my tolerance for caffeine is weight Doug and I have a very low Tolerance to caffeine in comparison to Justin and Adam So so the appropriate amount for me or Doug is far different than the appropriate amount that would be for for Adam or Justin I also this room this like conversation reminds me to reminds me of that old Seinfeld episode where they master my domain Right. Do you remember that one? No, you don't remember that master. Yeah master of your domain and they're talking about Fasting from masturbating right I find if I if I catch myself using words like need or have to Or right things like that like that's I always challenge myself Like I don't want ever to fill dependent on anything like that I see the connection between the episode of masturbating That's it's it being being addicted to anything. Okay, right, right.   I always should be a red flag Yeah, I always challenge I always challenge that and then I always Restrict myself to prove that I'm in full control of this meat wagon I'm not a slave to anything and I think that's a good practice and anything and everything in the ritualization of morning coffee is definitely a piece of why it's so hard to stop and Supplement supplement companies who do pre-workout supplements or the first ones to come out with pre-workout supplements We're brilliant because they understood that if they took a product that you could feel Like then it's got full of statin stimulants that you could ritualize have this before your workout because what does every fitness person do? Workout, how do we ritual if you could ritualize a supplement? You have made a lot of money and they did and they did and I it's the number one seller for every supplement And I know a lot of people who work out who do not work out unless they have a pre-workout Which I find pretty fascinating because that was never a thing when I was when I was going up