One of Radio's outstanding dramatic half-hours starring Lee Tracy and presented transcribed by your Army and your Air Force. Radio City, New York, here is your star and host on Proudly We Hail, the distinguished Broadway stage, screen and radio star, Lee Tracy. Thank you, Kenneth Banghart, and hello everyone. Welcome again to Proudly We Hail. What's in store for us on Proudly We Hail, Lee? Our play, Ken, is frightening. At the same time inspiring, it might well be a true story. I think our audience will live every moment of it with us. We'll be ready to begin our story after a few words from you, Ken. For many weeks now, I've been telling the young men and young women of America that the United States Army and the United States Air Force needs them more than ever. These are critical days. Be a volunteer. Visit your nearest U.S. Army and U.S. Air Force recruiting station and find out how you can best serve. Make tomorrow's decision today. And now with your star, Lee Tracy, in the role of Jan Steppen, your Army and your Air Force present the Proudly We Hail production of The Young Conqueror. The time of this story might be 3000 B.C., 1080, today, tomorrow, anytime. It concerns a man who refused to be broken when all his country lay under the male heel of tyranny and oppression. This is a man whose spirit and courage and cunning would never let him give up, regardless of the odds. It's a story also of the people who would or would not help him in his hour of need. Most of all, it's a story of the human spirit fighting against forces of darkness.  Commendations here, not the best. Bring him out. Bring him out yourself. Why should I go into that foul hole to bring out what's left of a man? Very well. We'll do it together. Would you like me to hold your nose for you? I can hold my own. Eh, sign a light down there. What a pretty sight. He dead? Probably taking a nap. It looks like an animal. What do you think you'd look like after being in there for a month with treatments two or three times a day? Oh, that is the great Steppen. You should have seen him a month ago. Quite a different sight. Well, let's get him out. Vadek doesn't like to be kept waiting. We hate to disturb you, Steppen, but Vadek... Hit him with your gun, but fully stroking me. What were you waiting for today? He nearly broke my neck. Bird, he was chained. He's been here a month. How could he... He stands like steel claws. He's mad. He's a wild animal.  But, sir, he's dangerous here, as I say. Yes, sir. You can wait outside the door. I'll call you if I need you. Yes, sir. Young Steppen, if your friends could see you now, those that we haven't caught, can you hear me, young? I can hear you, Vadek. Eh, it's a surprise to look at a sight like you and then hear a human voice come out of it. I'm full of surprises, Vadek. So am I, young. So am I. What you've been through so far is mild, compared to what we shall put you through if you don't tell us who the others are. We're no hurry because we know eventually you'll be glad to tell us. Why put off what's inevitable? Why be stubborn when it can only hurt you? Lost causes are a thing of the past. Should be enough of a realist to understand that? You have all the answers, don't you? All of them and all the cards, too. Understand me, Stefan, I don't dislike you. I admire your spirit. You have courage and intelligence, but there's a blind spot in you and it's led you to this. To be free is to be blind. To be free?  Who is free anywhere? It's blind to think you can be free. I pity you. You pity me. Now that's remarkable. Would you like a mirror to see what you look like? My clothes are in rag. My beard is long and filthy. My body is bruised, my face is a bit battered. I've lived in a foul hole for what seems like a year, and I've been brutally treated. Still, I pity you, Sonic. And you're more of a fool than I thought. Suppose, just for the sake of supposition, that I decided to tell you what you want to know. That I agreed to make a full confession that I sought to destroy your happy utopia. And all the rest. What would you do with me afterwards? That wouldn't be for me to say. However, I might be inclined to recommend leniency. You, of course, have caused us a great deal of trouble. You've been responsible for debts of quite a long list of our people. Still, it's possible, after serving a prison sentence, to send you to school and teach you to think as we do. Then you might be of service to us. How very generous of you.  I see you don't wish to cooperate. You wish to be broken. Bit by bit. Tell me, Vada. What do you people do to a man's soul? What do you do to his heart? You can break me and 10 million men, but you can't break the truth. You can't destroy it ever. The truth is in my heart and soul, and you can turn me into a gibbering maniac, but you can never take it from me. Nor from the rest of mankind. I think we've talked long enough. So we have. It's time to act. You're choking me. Please. Please. Yes. Yes. I'm choking. I'm choking the life right out of you. Where's the truth now, Vada? You have a soul? You have a heart? Or did the state take them from you?   Don't please. I'll help you. I need to hear you. Anything to live for, but you have nothing to live for because you believe in nothing. You are nothing. Nothing. Listen. You have your name on it now, Vada. How long is he going to keep us in there? I don't know. It's been over an hour. I'm getting hungry. What are you men doing here? We were told to wait, sir. Who's in there with him? The prisoner's step-on, sir. For the love of guards.  Didn't you hear anything? No, sir. We heard nothing. Is he? Look at him. He must have gone out this window. Down the drain pipe. I'll have you both shot for this. A hunted man looking like a hunted man in a fear grip city must take desperate chances.  There is nothing to hide his face and even the darkness cannot do that completely. In one pocket of the coat, his hand clenches the butt of an automatic taken from a dead man named Vadek. It holds eight shots. This man cannot go to his friends for fear of exposing them. He must turn to people who are strangers. He has no way of knowing who will or will not help him and therefore he must depend in part on his luck. There is little time and although he must act fast, he must also act carefully. The faded apartment house on the corner is his choice. There are a few people about. He enters unseen and mounts quickly to the second floor where he stops at the first door to confront him. Please don't be frightened. Don't cry out. I don't wish to harm you and need help. Who are you? What do you want here? I have done nothing. I'm sure you have. My name is Stefan. The police are after me. Soon will be. All I want to do is to borrow a razor and clothes. The police? No, please go away. I want no trouble. I can't help you. Carl, tell your wife to keep still. Now listen to me. I have a gun here. I don't want to use it.  I'll do that anyway so you'll surely not get in trouble. What is this all about, please? Carl, I can tell you later. What about it? Carl, will you help or not? I wouldn't dare help you, Stefan. Stefan, the underground, they say. Still, Myra, I have to think of my wife, my children. But I won't resist you.  Thank you, Carl. Suppose you show me around. Where are the children? In bed, thank goodness. Myra, get them something to eat. Come along. Is that too tight? No, it's all right. The suit is a good fit. Some day I'll try to repay you. Get away and you'll repay us enough. It helps to know somebody hasn't given in. You haven't given in, Carl. Don't ever believe that you have. There. Now, let's go. Perhaps you'd better gag us. They'd say we could have shouted for help. She's right. All right. God keep you, Stefan. How can a haunted man get out of a city? He cannot use the regular means of transportation. Such avenues are carefully guarded. He cannot stay on the street for already. Streets are being marked off. Everyone has to show his papers. Next, there will be a building-to-building search. A noose has been thrown about the metropolis. It will be quickly and efficiently tightened. Where can a haunted man go? What can he do? He must again look for help from others. Who is there? Please, open up. I've done nothing. Stop aside. Close that door. What is it? Who's here with you? No one. My wife is God's sister. Let me see your papers. They're all in order. I'm a good party member. I've done nothing. Your name is Helm, huh? Well, Helm, have you heard the news? What news? A dangerous enemy of the state has escaped. You don't think that I... He came here. What would you do? Hey, turn him over to you people, of course. Why are you pointing that gun at me? Suppose I wasn't a police at all. Suppose I was the man they were looking for. Oh, I had a feeling. You weren't the police? Well, what do you want with me? My papers will do you no good. No, I can see they won't. Will you help me? Yeah, I might. There must be a reward for your capture. Can you pay me as much as the reward? I can pay you nothing. Yeah, you don't have much to bargain with. Why should I risk everything for nothing? No reason except... No, no, I can't help you. It would be pointless. But I can help myself. Ah, thanks so much. Sleep well. No, no, please go away. We can do nothing for you. Now go. Yes, he was here not two minutes ago. He wanted us to help him. The address is... Halt! Stop! There he goes! After him! Tracey, starring in the role of Jan Steffen in the Proudly We Hail production of The Unconquered will return for the second act in just a moment. But first, I want to say again, as I've said before on these Proudly We Hail programs, that our freedom is challenged and we must be fully united in its defense. Our great strength is the united loyalty of a free people. There are many ways we can all help in one important vital way is to join the military forces. You may have just the qualifications to serve most effectively in the United States Army. Why don't you pay a visit today to your nearest Army and Air Force Recruiting Station where you can sit down and find out exactly where your talents can be best utilized. If you're technically inclined and otherwise qualified, you'll find this a definite place for you and your skills in the United States Army. Radio, radar, auto mechanics, the list is a long one. Go to your nearby Recruiting Station today and get the facts for yourself. You are listening to Proudly We Hail and now with your star, Lee Tracey in the role of Jan Steffen, we present the second act of the Unconquered. One false step, one piece of bad luck in the noose tightens fast. The area in which the hunted man can move is cut sharply. He has reached the point where he must break free soon or he will not break free at all. Yes? May I come in, please? Do you always point a gun at people you wish to call on? Come in. Thank you. You're Jan Steffen, the one they're looking for. That's right. They're all around here now. I know, I've heard of it. Why did you pick a palatial building like this to find help? Desperation, I suppose. I thought perhaps they wouldn't be so inclined to search here. Oh, they'll be here, don't worry. They're very thorough. I know, I worked for them. That startled you? Everyone in this building either works for them or is one of them.  I didn't have much choice. Oh, put away that gun. Listen, Jan Steffen, for the past five years I have lived for something like this, for something to hurt them or to help someone who fights them. Do you know what my job is? I'm private secretary to Marshall Goat. Yes, that's right. I'm a trusted, well-paid, well-thought-out woman who believes deeply and religiously in the obscenities they stand for. So they think. They don't know how I feel in my heart. They don't know that I've stored up two things in me, hatred and information that others can use against them. They killed my father, my brothers, and the man I was going to marry. They destroyed everything I held dear. And now I live for one thing, to pay them back in every way I can. And you said I couldn't have picked a worse place to come to. I meant as far as the building is concerned. What do you want me to do? I can't hide you here. They searched too well. Even a trusted party member's apartment? They don't trust anyone that much. You have a car? Yes, but you couldn't get ten feet in it. You would, though. They'd stop me. They'd look in the back and find you. What kind of a car is it? A roadster. The trunk is too small and they'd open it. Would you say there's enough room between the chassis and the road for a man to fit without dragging? I don't know. I imagine so. But you can't hang on like that. I can if we make a sling. I've done it before. We'll make a kind of hammock out of pieces of rope or sheets or anything that'll hold. I lay face downward and my body extended. Get the idea? Very ingenious. But what if they look under the car? That's the chance you'll have to take. All right. Now where do I drive? Do you know the village of Quinto? Quinto? That's where the mountains begin. Yes, I think so. You're trying to get across the mountain? I was raised in them. I know them well. It's my best chance. What's in Quinto? Friends, perhaps. At least someone. Give me some proper clothes and gear for climbing. Well, how do we better get started? We can take the elevator down to the car. It's in the garage below and there's some clothesline in the kitchen that you can use for your sling. I think God must have guided my steps to you. I hope so, John. Are you all right? Now get a parking lot. Let's go. Your paper. Here you are. I suggest you notice the sign if you're on this one. Uh, Marshal Go. Oh, I'm sorry for this inconvenience, but would you mind getting out? I'd like to search the car. A mealy routine, I assure you. Haven't you caught him yet? No, madam, not yet, but we shall before midnight our wages. Uh, may I have the keys to your trunk? It's open. Oh, thank you. Now would you mind telling me where you're going? Are you leaving the city? Yes, and I've got the fellow you're looking for under the hood of the engine. Madam Joe, it's merely routine, but we must know. All right, I'm going to Kareninen for the weekend. I have a friend there. He's a major. Is that enough? Oh, Wendy, thank you. Uh, now would you mind signing your name here? I think you people waste more time. There. Now may I go? Yes, I think so. Everything seems to be in order. Perhaps I'd better take a look under your car. Why don't you? And after that, why don't you take the roof off or look inside the tires? I think I've been very patient with you. You've held me up and it's late already. Look at all the cars waiting behind me. How are you ever going to catch anyone like this? All right, all right. You may go. Merely routine, madam. To Kareninen you say why. Sign here. Jan, are you all right? How much farther? About 10 kilometers. Are you all right? Yes. Go on. Pull off the road before you get there. Here. Here, drink this. That's better. Where are we? In a field off the road. Pinto is just over the hill. Are you all right? Boiled a little, perhaps. But all right. I can never thank you or repay you for this. Being able to help is payment enough, Jan. You can't stay here, Nahan. I've got to get moving. I'll go on to Kareninen and if they stop me, I'll say I missed a turn in the dark. You know, I don't even know your name. It's Lisa. Lisa. It's a lovely name. It goes with you. When you get across the mountains, what'll you do? I'll write a letter. A letter? To whom? Lisa, there's no time now to talk. There may never be. But don't give up in your heart. Perhaps someday, a man will come to you for the information you can give. You'll never give up, will you, Jan? Never. As long as I live. Now, goodbye. God keep you, Lisa. God keep you, Jan. Don't stand there and tell me you can't find him. He must be found at all costs. But he have gotten out of the city. I don't know how. Our people have been alerted everywhere. Guards on the border have been doubled. We have orders to find him before daylight, and if we don't... He came from the mountains. Isn't it logical he would head for there if he got out of the city? Don't tell me about logic. He was seen. We had him trapped in a small area, and he's not there now. Someone has helped him, and there's no way of knowing who. Well, he can't possibly get away. It's only a matter of time. If we don't find him by daylight, we'll find him by sunset. They can't shoot us for not finding the devil in five minutes. They've gone on down the street. Tell them to hurry. Get ready. All clothes fit well. Keep your voice down. I know what the others to wait. You know how grateful I am, Max. I know the risk you take. One is willing to take risks for a friend. How will you go? Through the gourd over Whiteface Mountain? It's very difficult, especially now. And you're in no condition for climbing. There's no other way. I'll take my time. You knew something was up when we saw the extra guards boot in. They've chosen to be pass. They don't know the gorge as I do.  Thanks, no. You have your family. He's right. Where are they now? They've gone around the corner. You can go out the back way through the barn and up the gully. You have everything? Everything. And good friend, too. It's nothing. When the guards came, we thought it might be you. We hoped it was. You don't know how much your name means to people, John. I think secretly people all over the country are saying a prayer for your safety. Come, it's time. They'll be coming back soon. A hunted man in territory that is familiar, a hunted man in the land of his home has a fair chance to elude the hunters. But an exhausted man, a man whose physical endurance is all but sap, should not try to scale the sight of a towering mountain to wreak safety. For here there are not only the hunters, there are the elements. I must go on. I must go on. I got you. I got you. I'm nearly frozen. He could never come this way. So we sit on the top of this mountain in freeze. Listen, Arak, perhaps we were wrong. Perhaps he was mad enough to try this way after all. Arak falls and you get the jumps. We better have a look. You have a look. I'm staying right here out of the wind. It'll be light soon. I will. Oh, and don't forget to call me if you see anyone. Who? She's, thank God, where she's on naked. Anton. Anton. Where are you at? Anton for the lover. Anton, what happened? Anton, stop out of it. Hit me. Took my cheese. Here.  Listen, if we sound the alarm now, they'll shoot us for letting him get through. We've got to say nothing about this. But what about my cheese? We'll say you had a fall. Broke them. You'll look the plot. Here. Put your arms around my shoulder. I'll help you down to the post. In the sanctuary of a friendly land, a man who was hunted sits looking out toward the mountains. On the table before him lies a letter. It is a letter to a man, a man who was arrogantly assumed the right of God over the people he ruled. The whole world knows now that I've escaped you. You've beaten your entire organization. I could not have done so without the help for some of your faithful and devoted subjects. I have not escaped to find someone to help me. I have not escaped to find safety and peace for one day soon I shall return. Yes, I'm coming back with one purpose. One aim in mind. There will be no place you can go without the fear that I am there waiting. You have hunted so many. Now you shall be hunted. You've ruled by fear. You shall live by it. I am but one man and it may be that I shall fail, but you can never destroy what I represent. There will always be others to take my place. You have denied God. And the day will come when God shall deny you. You cannot conquer and spirit of man. We will return with a word about next week's show in just a moment. But first, in these United States of America, freedom is not just a word, freedom is a fact. Each and every one of us must help to preserve it. The young men and women who volunteer in the uniform of the United States Army are helping to keep that freedom a fact. The minute you put on that uniform, everyone knows you're an active member in the fight for freedom. So visit your nearest U.S. Army and U.S. Air Force Recruiting Station today. Get all the details and how you can best serve yourself and your country in these critical times. Get on the Army team. You're needed now. This has been another program on Proudly We Hail, presented in cooperation with this station by your Army and your Air Force. Proudly We Hail stars Lee Tracy. The Unconquered was written by DeWitt Cock. Music was composed and conducted by John Guarnieri. Proudly We Hail is directed by Charles Wilkes. This is Kenneth Banghart speaking, and here again is your host and star, Lee Tracy. Next week, join me on an adventure into the unknown on a visit to unexplored territory in a suspense-filled play appropriately titled The Greatest Adventure. Goodbye.


Hey, it's Alex here from alexfigures.com. Now, if you like the convenience of Wi-Fi, but are concerned about the potential damages that EMF brings to the body and to the home, then I've got something you're gonna love. It's this, the JRS ECO 100 wireless router. Now, I'm told that this is the world's first ECO, full ECO Wi-Fi router, with 100% radiation free in standby mode, 90% reduced beacon pulse frequency, and the ability to adjust the power output down in very low, little increment sizes, which is great. Plus, there's also an inbuilt Wi-Fi scheduler. So, what this device does is allows you to still use your iPad and your iPhone and other devices without cables. However, the EMF exposure is gonna be much lower. And even better, when you're not connected, like your iPad's not connected to the router and you're not actually using the router, then this device goes into standby mode, so it effectively switches off, meaning there's no pulsing, there's no EMF exposure, which is very, very cool. And the other function is the inbuilt Wi-Fi scheduler, which is very, very cool, because I know a lot of people put in, I don't know what the name of them, time is, electronic time is, you know, you plug them in the wall and you say turn the lights on at 10 AM and switch them off at 10 PM or you do it the other way around. But, you know, you can preset when electricity goes through the device. I know a lot of people do that with their wireless routers. The downside of that is that it cuts all power to the device. So, if you're like me and you are using Ethernet hard-wired, your main office computer is hard-wired in and then all of a sudden the power's cut, there's no internet at all. There's no wireless, great, but there's also no hard-wire connection. And what I'm going to do now is I'm going to do a quick comparison of the EMF output using my Kornet Li-Chos smog meter. So right now I've got my Nikkom wireless Wi-Fi router going on, a working web. It's about five meters from me right now. There's no devices connected to it at the moment, so I'm going to test the EMF level from that and then I'm going to plug in this thing, get it all set up and then do the same test. Now in theory is there's no devices going, the new one, the JRS should be zero, which is great because right now I'm being bombarded from EMF pulsing and God knows what these things do to us. But anyway, that's not what this video is going to be about. So hang around, I'm going to do some testing and then I'll do the comparison and then finally I'll wrap it all up after using this device for a couple of weeks and let you know what I think of it and how it's performed and where you can go to get one. All right guys, so I've been playing around with this new JRS ECO Wi-Fi router for a while now and I've been in the back end following this manual. So the Wi-Fi's all set up, connected all my devices. Now I want to show you one really cool feature, so don't worry too much about this, but this is the back end, this is all the settings where you can access the JRS ECO wireless firmware. I'll go through this in a little bit more detail shortly, but what I want to show you here is this sitting here. Jay, let's see if we can get this on screen. JRS ECO 100 timeout, all right. The range is 20 to 900 and these are seconds. Default is 120, so that's two minutes. What this means is, well, here we go, it's got a description right here. When no devices are connected to the ECO 100 router, this number and this number in seconds has passed, i.e. 20 seconds has passed, the router will go into standby. This is also the interval at which the registration list is updated with new devices. All right, so I've set that to 20, all right. So what it's gonna do, I'll just apply this real quick, what this will mean is when I turn off, when I disconnect this laptop, which is currently got my Wi-Fi running connected to this, I know I shouldn't be sitting right here with this, but hey, it's only for a few minutes and I wanted to do this video. When I turn this off, when I turn the Wi-Fi off, after 20 seconds, the Wi-Fi transmitter in this should stop. Now right here, you can see that my cornet EMF meter is going berserk, you know, I'm right next to it, of course it's gonna be high. So we're gonna leave this in here. Now I've turned off every other Wi-Fi device in my house. So no phones, you can see my phone is on airplane mode there. All other devices off, all right. So all going well. I'm testing this for the first time now actually. All going well. When I turn this off, after 20 seconds, this will turn off. All right, so I'm gonna get my timer ready. Sorry, this is bad, bad thing. All right, so I'm gonna get my timer ready. So we're gonna have the website up and running. And remember right now, this is pulsing away red, which is showing our strong signal. Now I'm gonna hit turn off Wi-Fi, boom, hit start on the clock. All right, now after 20 seconds, we should see this drop down, okay. So remember, and this is picking up microwave signals. You can see the pulsing there, 13 seconds in the background, 15, 16, 18. Let's see what happens. 20 seconds, boom, green, nothing. Very, very cool. So if we have a look at this, we can see Wi-Fi 5G and 2.4G are off. Very, very cool. So if this was hardwired into here through an ethernet cable such as this, which is what I will do, I'll use an ethernet cable from this going into my office computer for instance. I'd still be able to use the internet through my computer that's hardwired, but there's no Wi-Fi. You can see that is still right down. So just to show you, if I go to my site and then go to the new blog, nothing, all right. Now that is very, very cool. I'm impressed by that, which means, it means you can be using your device at night and then using your phone or your laptop and then be like, all right, I'm done. 9.30 at night, 10 o'clock. Just turn the Wi-Fi off on your device and you know that this will turn off, which is actually really, really cool. Now think of it, I know I talked earlier about this having an inbuilt scheduler, so you can set it so every night at 10 o'clock, it turns off and then turns back on at, say, 7 a.m., which is a cool feature in itself. But with this setup, you don't even need that scheduler because as long as you turn the Wi-Fi off on your devices, then that will turn off. So yeah, so now what I wanna do is show you what happens. Now, again, I'm testing this for the first time. What happens is when I turn the Wi-Fi back on here, it should send a signal to this device saying turn back on, all right, we need the internet. I don't know all the technical logic or how all this works, science behind it, but that's what this router does apparently. So I'm gonna go in here, turn, oh, sorry, my camera's got something missed here, turn Wi-Fi on. Okay, you're gonna see this pulse, boom, because that's coming from this. Now, we wait and see what's happened on here. And already the 2.4 gigahertz is running. So now when I type in a website, alexfix.com, good site, check it out if you haven't, it loads up. That is actually very, very cool. So I can read an article now. Yes, very, very, very, very cool. So all I have to do, once everything's set up, of course, all I have to do is turn the Wi-Fi on when I want Wi-Fi, turn the Wi-Fi off when I don't want Wi-Fi. So that means if there's no devices on, there is no, and you're seeing it here, now turn the Wi-Fi off after 20 seconds, there will be no EMF coming from that router. So 20 seconds should be coming up anytime soon. And there it is, oh, no, not quite. Okay, that was a long 20 seconds, maybe not. There it is, boom, off. That is, you know what? That is very, very cool. I am very impressed by that. All right, so I've just finished setting up the JRSEco wireless router. And to be honest, it wasn't too confusing. I was a little bit concerned at first, looking at having to flick through that the manual that came with it and all the settings and screens, et cetera. But fortunately, it was pretty straightforward. And even if you're not very switched on with computers and technology, the instruction manual is very well laid out.  To be honest, it's probably a little bit too comprehensive because that's why it's a bit off-putting when I picked it up. I was like, oh, there's like 30 odd pages here. But the good thing is, you know, all the detail was there.  But again, it shouldn't be too complex with the manual. So that's all done. It took me, I don't know, maybe 20 minutes max. That included running around and changing all my devices to the new password, et cetera. So this is the backing. This is what you see when you do log in to the modem itself, the router, sorry. You can see here I've currently got two clients connected to my network or status of everything here. So what I wanted to show you though is the main thing to look at is in here. So we'll click wireless under advanced settings and then JRS. Okay, so this is the firmware that I've loaded on from JRS that makes this router so unit, it's the value add. It's why you pay the extra dollars to get this particular router over just every and every day router. So in here are all the cool settings. All right, so I'll just run through a few of them. I personally have disabled five gigahertz network and just used a 2.4. Five gigahertz is great for speed. The EMF levels are a little bit higher and the range isn't as great. For me, I don't need that super fast connection.  So I'm more than happy with the 2.4 gig. So that's just the personal thing I've done but just in case you're a little bit confused. So here, this is the standby sitting mode. You can change between various options or explains each option here. So for instance, when you're first sitting it up, you might change it to more of the beacon mode. I've just gone straight to four week mode, which is where the router switch the EMF, the Wi-Fi router, sorry, switches off when there's no signal on it, which is one of the cool features which I've just shown you before. The lock beacon mode, you can enable this if you want to set up the Wi-Fi router with new devices. You know, the first time you do it, for instance, or if you move it to a new home or something. But again, all the default settings work fine here. You don't have to worry about the match hidden network. Ignore connection requests for five gigahertz. I turn this on just because I'm not using five gigahertz, the scheduler. So I have this off, but you can turn it on, simply by clicking yes, and then going through and saying when you want the Wi-Fi router to be on or off. Now I was looking forward to using that setting. I thought it was going to be a cool setting, but after that recent clip of testing the activation, you know, how the laptop can, can automatically turn the Wi-Fi on and then it will turn off 20 seconds or whatever time you set it after the connection is, after the Wi-Fi is turned off on all devices. I don't think we're going to need that wireless scheduler. Maybe if you are in a home where you are always going to have some devices on, like say, for instance, you use a home security system and that uses your Wi-Fi network or maybe you've got like a media hub or you just know your kids aren't going to turn their Wi-Fi off on their laptop or phone or, I don't know, like, you know, if you just know you've got a smart device like a smart TV or a smart fridge or something and you just know that Wi-Fi transmitter in that device is always going to be on, then that standby mode, or which we were looking at before, isn't going to work, right? Because there's always going to be something transmitting to the Wi-Fi router. In which case this wireless scheduler would come in handy because you can set it so the Wi-Fi router turns off at 10 o'clock, Monday through to, say, three. All right, so you know when you go to bed, Wi-Fi's off and then maybe on the weekend it stays on a little bit longer. I don't know, you can play around with it, but I haven't used that because of the reason I've already went through. The timeout feature are 20 to 900. This is the seconds and again, I've explained this. I'm actually going to change this. Right now I'm going to put it up to 60 seconds because I'm going to go in and do some testing using my cornet meter. So this is the current modem wireless router that I have and you can see up the top there, we've got Wi-Fi 2.4 gigahertz running. I don't use the five gigahertz option. All right, so I've got my cornet litro smog meter running on the microwave sitting right now. Now this is showing units in milliwatts per meter squared and you'll see the color code on the side here. This unit has been set up for to reflect the building biology standards. Green is safe, yellow is dangerous, not ideal and red is very dangerous. Pretty much that means if you're exposed to this level right now, because it's smack bang in the orange, then yeah, it's not great for the body. Green would be okay and red would be, hey, this is really not good. So I'm about four or five meters from my Wi-Fi router at the moment. My standard Nikon run of the mill router that came with my network provider and there are no devices connected to it at the moment. So it's just doing its thing in the background. Now you can see on average that number is probably 0.02. It's fluctuated down to 0.018 and I saw it was 0.03 at one point before but it's pretty steady. You can see on that little graph there it's a pretty steady line. There's no big peaks or troughs and that's because there are no devices connected. But again, if I'm just sitting here I'm right in our living room right now. So yeah, we often are in this space. I'd be stressing the body. And then on the other side of this wall, on the other side of where the router is are our bedrooms. So again, five meters, I know at least two of our beds would be in that proximity. So again, you'd be exposing yourself to what the building biology has come out and said is a dangerous level. And again, if you're sleeping in that or even if you're just at this level all day it's not going to be great. Now another cool feature of this particular emif meter is the sound. So what I'm going to do is turn this on. See if I can remember how to do it. There we go. So you can actually hear the wildfire. This is the pulsing. Now it'd be interesting to see how many pulses that is because when I was reading the instructions for the JRS modem it said that typically modems pulse 10 times a second. So I wonder if that's about 10 times anyway but their one's much less than that. So that pulsing is another vibration that is not going to be great. One other thing I just want to show you is I just turned on the five gigahertz network because usually I just run the 2.4. This is with my current modem, all right? Not the JRS one. And you can hear if you listen to this that pulsing is much faster because I know the five gigahertz network is a lot more intense and there's a lot more speed but the range isn't as good. That's why most people still use 2.4 because you get better range. And I know I've just used 2.4 because it's a little bit lower EMF but it's interesting hearing that difference. So what I'm going to do now is compare the signal strength of the new JRS Eco wireless using my corner EMF meter and compare that to the old router I had. So all going well because of all these cool settings and following all these instructions in this booklet, the level should be lower and much safer, which means that not only do we have that cool feature I've just explained, but it also means that when this thing is working, it's going to cause less stress on the body. So yeah, looking forward to that, very cool. All right, the moment of truth. So now what I've done is I've got the JRS Eco Wi-Fi router operational, it's running, the Wi-Fi on my old router is not on anymore and the only device connected to the router is my laptop. Okay, so what I have done is, you saw me change that setting. So there's going to be a 60 second period where I can test the EMF exposure. I'm in exactly the same spot as I was when I tested my original router. One thing I should answer because I know some people were probably thinking, well, if you got that standby feature, why does it matter what the background, how powerful, how damaging the JRS EMF mode is? Because it's just going to switch off when no one's using it. And that's a good question. The reason I want to do this test, there's two reasons. One is like I said before, not everyone is going to use the standby feature. If you've got a fridge always connected to it, you're always going to be exposed to that router, right? So I want to test it for that. And some people will want to buy this router purely because the EMF exposure should be lower, all right? And that's, I mean, I would have bought it just for that reason alone. The standby feature is like a really cool bonus feature. And secondly is even if you're using the network, using the Wi-Fi, like you've got a computer or you got your phone or whatever, then you still want to have a lower transmission intensity coming from the router. Or for instance, if your partner is using the Wi-Fi in the living room and you're in the kitchen, again, you're going to be exposed to that, right? So the lower, the better. So anyway, what I'm going to do now is I'm going to flip this camera around. I'm going to turn off the Wi-Fi on my laptop. And then, so that will mean there's no interference from the laptop because that's obviously putting a lot of EMF right now. And then I'm going to use this and compare it to my previous numbers. All right, let's go. All right, so here we go. So currently the laptop is on. We're going to turn the Wi-Fi off on this to avoid any interference. And then we're going to get 60 seconds to test the number on here. All right, let's get this sitting right. Okay, so remember the Wi-Fi router is still on. Just my laptop is off. And you can see that background level is very, very low. It's crazy low. And that's pulsing. Crazy. I'm kind of like, is it really pulsing? But it has to be pulsing because there's a 60-second turn off in this video. So I'm going for 40 seconds. So in fact, we'll see what happens when it gets to 60, it should drop even lower. So that is .003, roughly that's what the average is here. Compare that to the old router I had, you know, the everyday router, it was like .02. So about 10 times less. It's quite incredible actually. And there we go. You can see it's been a minute now and it's dropped right down. So it was running. Now we're like .0006. And you can see there's no movement there. That's incredible. So, and that was in the green zone. I don't know if you noticed that, but that was in the green, which is like set by the building biology standards. That was in the green time the whole time. So that was with a Wi-Fi router, only three, four, five meters, and it wouldn't even be five meters. It'd be three meters away with one thin wall in between us. It's just one sheet of gibrock. Like that's all it is on the other side of the cupboard. That's incredible. So now remember if I turn this back on, you're going to see it spike up. I just turned the laptop Wi-Fi router back on. So you're going to see it spike because that's the laptop Wi-Fi kicking in right now. And that's now setting the router to be running again.  Wi-Fi on the laptop is off and straight away, we're right down. Look how low that is. And remember this is a Wi-Fi router that reaches right through this house and outside. And look how low that is. And again, comparing that to a low of 0.01 up to 0.05 on the old router. Okay, so now what I want to do is compare the audible sound rate to the original router. So this should be a much lower, slower clicking. All right, let me just figure out how to get this on. So that clicking is the transmission, the pulsing from the router. So I just turned the Wi-Fi off again. So we've got 60 seconds before it will stop. And you can see how it's like pretty much non-existent. We'll just do a quick flashback, cut back to the original router where it was quite fast clicking. All right, so you can hear that it's quite a sharp and drastic difference between the two of them, isn't it? That's, it's quite amazing. So that's the pulse rate setting. So JRC that with their software, the pulse rate setting is like 90% lower than usual. But I mean, you listen to that and it's a huge difference. Which is very cool, very, very cool. So I think the Wi-Fi has now turned off. All right, so 60 seconds has been up and now the Wi-Fi router is off completely. And you can hear there is absolutely no clicking. Now, if you look at the bottom right hand corner, you can actually see this show, that little graph shows the spikes and intensity. Okay, so the spikes are very, very low. But you can see when the router has switched off because it's flat lined for the last like 67% of that X-axis, the graph down there. So if we compare that visual graph to the old router, these peaks here were pretty much solid. You couldn't see the spaces there. So again, all of this is good news for those who want to minimize EMF exposure.  I really didn't expect something to be that low. So that's a wrap. I've finished my testing. I've been using this new JRS Eco wireless router for a while now. And I have to say, it is very, very cool. In fact, it is going to be one of my top products for the year from a health by hacking wireless point of view because now with this router and the software that the JRS team have installed on it and have created for it, it means you can still use Wi-Fi. You can still roam around the house on your laptop, on your phone, using your smart TV, whatever you want. But know that not only is the signal, the EMF signal from that router so much lower, like ridiculously low, 10 times lower. But you know, as soon as you turn those devices off, as in you're not using your Wi-Fi anymore, the router will turn off, which is cool. And then as soon as you want to use your Wi-Fi again, you turn your device on, you turn Wi-Fi on and boom, the router will start working. Like it's amazing how they've achieved to build this. I mean, I know they didn't build the device itself, the hardware itself, but to come up with the software for this is very incredible. So yeah, I mean, if you want to get one of these units, I'll put a link below. I don't know what else to say. If you have any questions, feel free to leave them below and I'll do my best to cover it. I'm going to put together a written blog review on this as well over at AlexFegus.com, so be sure to hit over there and check that out. If you want a bit more details though, I know this has been rather comprehensive video anyway. And be sure to like this video if you want to see more videos like this, reviewing products, gadgets, sharing tips on how to improve your health and your home health environment, et cetera. Be sure to subscribe and be sure to say hi as well because it's always cool to hear from you. But yeah, don't check it out. I highly recommend getting one of these for the expense, for the price you pay. It's probably, it may be the best bang for your buck from a health point of view. I mean, we're not talking thousands of dollars to get like a red light panel, so I'd swear by them anyway. And you're not talking hundreds of dollars to get like an aura ring that's going to track your sleep. This is something that's going to impact every single moment of your health when you're at home. I mean, it'd be cool if every house had one of these. I mean, imagine if you live in an apartment, how there'd be much less exposure from EMF, but I know that's not going to happen. But anyway, highly recommend it. If you've got any questions, be sure to ask me below. I'll put a link to the router, and we can buy the router below as well. And be sure to subscribe. All right, signing out, bye.


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Herzlich Willkommen, GPN Gulasch Programmierendacht 21, Tag 2, schönen Nachmittag. Draußen ist es warm, deswegen ist der Saal voll, das ist schön.  Das dem nicht so ist und ganz entgegenteil, dass man ganz viel Kreativität braucht.  Bitte begrüßt Sie mit einem großen Applaus. So, thank you for the introduction. I think I screwed up the language setting and the submission. No, because it was German until yesterday and then I switched it to English because someone told me, isn't that talking in English, it has an English abstract and everything. Yeah, it's gonna be in English. I hope everyone here is fine with that. Yeah, so I'm ISCA, I work in academia, so I'm sort of a hackademic, so I hack all the things for science.  Yeah, a few, okay. So some of the target audience are here. All right. Originally I gave this talk at an Ova's Meetup and so it is a bit tailored to the Ova's mobile application security verification standard, but believe me like it applies to basically any testing framework that you find out there. So the takeaways are similar no matter which testing framework you take. The idea of a testing framework is that you have like complete and consistent test results. So when you have any product out there and you test it with this specification or standard, then you would get like all the things that are insecure and can fix them. And the test results are always comparable. So that's the theory. And the good part about this is compliance, right? So you have a security checklist for those complete consistent results. You can check your application and you can say, yes, we are compliant. All checkboxes filled. Yeah, but yeah, reality is a bit different.  So real world attackers might be, yeah, you know, I let them connect to my free Starbucks Wi-Fi and then I use whatever or I just use my zero day exploit and I will hack you. That's reality. So sophisticated attacks happened and it means also, and I think that's not in the attacker model for most people, but basically if someone can afford buying a zero day to hack you, you are screwed no matter how much of testing you did. So for a long time I was like, yeah, we don't need those testing guides at all. Like why are they there? Just checkboxes, it's all boring. You can always hack into a system with sufficient effort. And especially in academia where I come from, I think they are not so relevant, even though academia should actually contribute to them more, but they are not so relevant most of the time because what you do in academia, you want to create something novel. That means you pick an interesting target that nobody looked into before. You find a new bug class that nobody cared about before or you research something new like a new bug finding method. You write a new father or something. And this is often a very difficult journey, but all of these things, they create novelty. So that's the central point. But because they are novel, you don't know when researching if you will actually find a new bug or if you will be successful. So it's really, really uncertain what happens. So you would have a target that nobody looked into, you will start somewhere and you might make wrong decisions and just will not find any bug ever. And sometimes just minor differences might make you find something in the real world. And I think the most, not so fun part about this is you might spend like half a year on a target looking into it. And meanwhile, someone on Twitter is posting like, yeah, here's a treatable proof of concept, how you break the target and you're like, what? Yeah, really? But this happens. And in this whole process, usually those checklist guides, they won't lead you to novel research. So that's to be said about them. And basically all the things that I did with Bluetooth so my introduction were probably not on a checklist. So the first thing was I was looking into how to hook into Bluetooth communication in a way that you could even look into cryptographic implementation details. Nobody ever tested that before and it turned out, yeah, once you are able to test the Bluetooth protocol with cheap devices, there are bugs that are in Billions of devices, but yeah, no tooling. Or the attack surfaces for wireless were like you only attack Bluetooth, but Wi-Fi is a different thing, but actually you can like in a combo chip from Bluetooth to Wi-Fi get code execution. That's just not in the generic attacker model. So there are things that are outside of those attack surfaces which are of course not covered by any checkbook lists. And the next thing is yes, there are fuzzles out there, but they were incapable of fuzzling Bluetooth stacks. So you just take any Bluetooth implementation, try to put a fuzzle around it, do some new things to make it run better, and suddenly you find bugs. So basically where I started, there were none of these testing guides. Just unanswered questions. I was like, yeah, could this work, could that work? I was also trying things that were unsuccessful, not on this list. And they were all, yeah, outside of this. But what happened then is that a lot of students at the university were like, hey, for my thesis, I don't want to do something that's so uncertain. Like this research is really, really uncertain and it often takes longer than half a year of the thesis. So they were saying like, hey, when I graduate, I want to become a pen tester. Or like I have experience with CTFs. I want to do something of a similar scope for my thesis. And they also said, yeah, Bluetooth, I don't know. It's a weird thing. I want to do like web, mobile applications, IoT, like something that I know. So how do we test this? And suddenly I was back at those testing guides that are out there. So, yeah, some researchers might not need those testing guides, but actually for some scenarios they are pretty good. And one of the students I supervised even contributed a bit to such a testing guide. But, yeah, a bit more on this later. So app testing guides, you can think of, they have a very generic threat model. So, let's say, for mobile applications, you would think of, yeah, what could go wrong in any mobile application. And it doesn't matter if this application is like an online banking app, or if it is a fitness tracker app, or it's just a game, it would just be the same threat model for any mobile application. And from this threat model you then derive like a list of common attacks that could affect such a mobile application. And then people look like, what are tools and tests out there that we could use to find those vulnerabilities. Sometimes there are tools, sometimes you have to do a little bit on your own. And that's how any framework actually works. So no matter if it's a mobile app or a general IoT testing framework or something, you have those generic models of how something works and try to derive attacks and tests. The first thing about it is you would get common issues that should be tested for every app. So if those lists generate findings and those findings are severe, not all of the findings are severe, but if those lists generate severe findings, then you really did something wrong. You shouldn't have such bugs in your app. And it's also beginner-friendly. If you don't know where to start, especially as a student for Jesus or something, it's really nice to have this list telling you, yeah, these are common threads to test for. And also already knowing a list of tools can be very helpful when you start with something. But then there is also a lot of contra about this. So your results will never be complete. So I don't think that any testing framework ensures completeness. There's an overclaim. There's always something that was not covered. And even if you have a very narrow scope, if you say it's only mobile applications, there's so much different tooling to create mobile applications and so many different frameworks, programming languages and everything. So even if you would only test for one type of vulnerability in all those apps, you would need very different tooling and your results might still be inconsistent. So just the way how you create them leads to inconsistency. So I don't think that with any guide you could say we have completeness and we have consistency no matter how hard you try. And also those back classes, they might change over time. So yes, the testing guide frameworks, they might be updated, but not necessarily. So it could just change and not cover it. It's much more important to teach students how do you do research and find bugs for a lifetime, not just checking checklists. So how do you do thread modeling on your own instead of taking one that exists? How do you create your own tooling? So there's really a lot of abtesting guide blind spots and I think the first big one is that you have to do your own thread model, you have to create your own lists what are threads, attacks, what do I want to protect and what do I need to prioritize. This is the next issue. Like I think for a lot of testing frameworks you would generate many, many minor findings that are not necessarily relevant to the app. But at least you would get a long list and that makes the customer happy so to say because there's many things that they can, just minor fixes. And also, and especially in academia there is no out of scope, also for real world attackers, there is no out of scope, but very often for pen testing there is a very narrow scope. And of course you need to build your own tooling. There's also often not the time to build your own tooling and pen testing. So what I just discovered was when you don't have tooling you create tools for something that you would find a lot of bugs. And for the OSP application standard, the security verification standard well they have just common threads and the testing guide says there is the following tooling, use this. So you probably won't find many new things. So if two pen testers would like use the same list and just exactly follow it. Yeah, it's not much new to find but there might still be a lot of oversights. And there is like one thing that this guide in particular does, like it assumes that a mobile app is pretty much a web client. I think that's also an over thing, like everything is basically web in the end. And it's actually not so good, especially if you look into the storage requirements. So one idea in this guide is that when you have anything stored locally on a device that's insecure, like other apps might attack the sandbox of the app or your backup might be somewhere in iCloud or even on your local Mac or whatever, like Google Cloud something where your backup lands in the end. And that could be insecure. So to control the data and secure it it's much better to put the data in the cloud. That's the theory, but the cloud of the vendor in this case. So for example if you have a fitness tracker then the fitness data should go into the cloud of the fitness tracker provider. Or I don't know, I don't know, it's what they say or your personal pictures, private messages everything is more secure when you move it to the cloud and maybe think a bit about what is good, what is not so good. Also for usability I think it's pretty horrible. I don't know who of you has tried backing up their signal messages. Yeah, it's really horrible. Yeah, but backing up your signal messages like every time you migrate to a new device there's a high chance that you lose them. But of course they are very very secure stored on your one mobile phone and really hard to migrate. And I think that's one of the reasons like following such standards rather than thinking like giving the user a possibility to say where the data goes and actually backing it up when they want it. And of course another thing that I personally hate a lot about such standards is that they say hey you should prevent researchers from reverse engineering and tampering with our applications. There are of course some cases where it might be legend, let's say an online banking app maybe should not run on a rooted or jailbroken device because it has to do with your money and sandboxes might be broken. But in most cases those detections are really harmful for security researchers because even when there is a bug bounty if you need to spend many hours or even days to bypass such detections before you can even analyze an application nobody will look into this and even if you have a bug bounty program you won't get any free research or free security testing. So don't think about this being the only security measure as well because yes it takes time to bypass but all of these solutions are very very similar. So a powerful attacker bypasses for reverse engineering frequently it just takes the same script and it will run on basically all the apps there's not so many different solutions out there. I even heard of stories where like pain testers were okay we are testing the app, okay the app has jailbreak detection so we cannot analyze it so it's basically secure like all the other tests kind of passed. Yeah so really think about building this into applications it's not necessarily a security measure also something that I heard might come to one of the future standards but it's not yet in there is user privacy I think the biggest risk of mobile apps is really privacy these days there is almost no mobile app that is not using any advertisement framework they're sending all your data so it's really crazy what is sent if you sniff the traffic from an application there's many many information about you and yes it's kind of pseudomized or something like but it's not really fully anonymous there's so many details about you to track you and to get all the data about you and often it's I mean apps are free so you want free applications but in the end the data about you is still being sent to servers like there's only a few exceptions where application wouldn't try to track as many information as you as they can just for advertisement reasons and now the next thing is like as I said real world attackers you have your app that's the thing that you pentest but it runs on mobile platform for example so here on the right hand side you can roughly the structure of like how modern android looks these days so you have your app but there's system apps that are preinstalled then there's some java framework stuff native libraries an android runtime some hardware abstraction kernel firmware stuff so a lot of things that an application depends on and where you say well it's out of scope right so usually that would be of course out of scope for a normal pentest but for me as a security researcher in the university context I say like actually this is much more interesting than the app itself so if something there breaks that's really of impact for everything so interesting here is for example all the frameworks if they are part of ios or android or even third party frameworks that I used so a lot of applications are interesting so the interesting part here is also sometimes when you do like very good testing of applications you might end up finding bugs in the operating system so one example is a VPN application that one of my students was testing and they were just trying to use a standard VPN application creating VPN profiles all through a standard app and suddenly something in a network stack crashed so that you wouldn't get network connection until you reboot and remove the VPN profile and of course this was through the app but affected the operating system in the end and this can happen pretty quickly and now of course really out of scope for most people but there is of course also firmware attacks so anything that's running in a chip on your device which is getting more and more basically unprotected the reason for this is so you have more and more co-processors on your phones these days for performance reasons but they don't have a lot of security measures so you have security from the 90s in those firmware chips and hope that like some kernel layer between protects you but it's often not the case as we have also seen with the latest publications from Google Project Zero there's this display co-processor in iPhones that has been attacked and they even found a lot of baseband, flaws and so on so firmware is really not secure and for Bluetooth I've also been looking in firmware and there's like if you're lucky maybe even not this there's no ASLR it's really really broken and I mean firmware yeah some people at least look into this and become aware of this I think Android, they started rewriting some firmware in Rust so maybe it's moving forward but then stuff really nobody looks into those lowest layers, the hardware and there is so many issues there like there could be side channels and you could monitor anything like or let's say there is a cryptographic calculation and there might be a side channel to get the key from this or fault injection is a way to actually skip instructions or manipulate memory reads in the CPU so that it would do something different than what was written in the code and with this you can at least theoretically bypass a lot of things I mean those attacks are expensive but at least they are also super super powerful and if I say expensive this is one thing, like many people say I don't care about hardware attacks, it's out of scope but when designing something just think about that it is expensive to do this attack on one device so if someone really breaks whatever is stored on a device and gets all the information from it, knows everything from cryptographic keys about one device this shouldn't break any other devices so this is a key design element to keep in mind here so yeah those testing guides they are really really helpful for identifying common issues but really also think about what you found was security threats relevant are they significant is it something that you should report to developers or is it just confusing does checklists often really generate minor findings that are not worth being fixed depending on the actual threat model so will it improve security when it will be fixed or is it just really really annoying to fix and this also creates a lot of between developers and security testers I think in academia we have those really weird attack surface that are new and hard to explain and people have to fix them for panthesis is more like all those non minor findings that someone has to fix so really communicating what is important to fix is important here and that's it already with my talk questions perfectly on time thank you very much questions please raise your hand I'll come with the mic to you come there have to be some don't be shy I won't bite promise you can also anonymously tell what was your worst pentestry report that you got or a friend of yours got a friend of yours got yeah there in the bag is someone breaking the ice thank you very much yeah since it's also about weird things in panthesis I just say SQL injection in username field yes yes I mean this should be tested that's what I said like if someone finds issues with those very basic things like something is really broken in your app yeah do your students get with defining new bugs or new approaches to finding bugs do they surprise you? yes so there's really like every now and then I would get students who think further than me and who I learned from and that's something I really enjoy about my work as well so see people grow see people coming up with ideas you mentioned out of scope so what are you doing if you found something critical and the vendor just said sorry but this is out of scope we don't want to handle this I mean what do you mean like I mean there is kind of two things either the vendor said it's out of scope it's not about bug bound it's just about reporting so I don't care if it would get money if you fix it then apparently one can publish I mean if it doesn't have to be fixed yeah so do you do this regularly like publish it publishing something that vendors doesn't want to get fixed it's difficult so I think one thing we looked into recently that it's difficult to fix is digital car keys to measure the distance in ultra white band and there is something broken in the spec that would allow some distance shortening depending on how the algorithm is implemented and what checks are there and it's not fully specified how chips do it and we found it works on apple chips as long as one of the answers apple chips and so yes I mean the question is would you publish or would you not publish I think it helped a lot publishing it and letting people know that what the spec says is not necessarily secure early on it's really difficult sometimes you say maybe one shouldn't publish it but most of the time publishing such a thing even if it's a bit difficult to fix or a bit out of scope helps to not have it built into a lot of systems and relying too much on it thank you first of all thank you for the talk that was really cool then regarding side channels would you say today we are in so many layers of abstraction that we can't even make sure anymore a normal android app looks out for side channels sorry what would you say we are on too many layers of abstraction today that a normal android app can't look out anymore for side channel attacks or the like I think there have been even attacks shown to work in browsers so I think it would just like even with the abstraction layers some stuff should be working it really depends so also depends on what kind of side channel like CPU side channel or maybe for me as a wireless person maybe you would have a side channel from traffic patterns or something like knowing if other apps are sending something like there's so many things that you could consider a side channel and also a lot of things happening in the background that you might be able to trigger and measure I think there have been also papers for mobile side channels but not so many people looked into it that's true any further questions last chance going once if I understood correctly it's not really useful to use the standardized tests in academia but do you think it's still worthwhile to use them in commercial pen testing I think so yes what I would do in commercial pen testing is nonetheless try to make some threat model and compare so it's I would say they are good to start with but not good to end with so just thinking a bit further really helps anyone else last chance well if there are no further questions I would say thank you very much Iska for the wonderful talk and please give a very warm round of applause for Iska, thank you


Last week, we were informed, after the monthly national economic council meeting held in Abuja, that the federal government had approved five billion era for each of the thirty-six states of the federation for the procurement of food items and fertilizers as part of efforts to alleviate the sufferings associated with your subsidy removal in the country. That news trended, but what didn't turn, however, is the fact that that net meeting ended up in a shouting march over a memo by the director general of the Nigerian governor's forum that the palliative would be refunded by the states. That's our first hot topic this morning on the breakfast. Also on the program, the director general national agency for food and drug administration and control and the registrar, pharmacy council of Nigeria have both said that distribution of ethical pharmaceutical products is crucial to the winning of the fight against the pig and the treated and spurious medicines. That is the second topic on our program this morning. We'll also be having off the press where we'll take a look at the stories that made it to the front pages of some national dailies this morning and our analysts will be joining us to look at them one after the other. Hello, good morning and welcome to the breakfast on plus TV Africa. We trust that you've woken up well. You've had a good weekend and happy holidays to Legos public servants. I am Maureen Menongue's degree. It feels so good to have you with us. And my name is Nyam Gul Aghaj. It's a mindset Monday. We're hoping that you have a positive mindset this morning. Yesterday, I was in church and the reading came from a portion where a woman went to Jesus to ask for help for her daughter. And after a lot of discussions, the last statement that Jesus made, even Jesus, the son of God made was that it is not good to take the food that is meant for the children and give to the dogs. So the lesson out of that was the lesson of perseverance, the lesson of positive attitude, the lesson of humility, because it didn't deter a woman from still asking. And at the end of the day, she had what she wanted. How many of us would say, OK, after all those kinds of insults, I might say, we'll still stand there and say, OK, we're going to press further and make sure that we get it. That woman did and she had it. We do hope that today everybody will have a positive mindset and see that no matter what the situation might be, if we press a little bit further, we might just have what we want. Yeah, indeed. That's a good mindset to have. A mindset that insists on getting what you want, persevere and not give up easily. And have faith. Exactly. Exactly. It's a Nigeria. And all the time we say, God day and God day. Even though they say it's a poor man's prayer, but everybody needs God. And if we know that we need God, while we are praying, we'll be working as well. Because it's not just prayer that will get you there. Nobody crowns a king that is not there. You have to be there to present that head that will be crowned. So there needs to be work that you have to put into it to make sure that you achieve what you're going to achieve. No matter what, we are going to survive it. If you won't survive, there are others that are going to survive. So if they will survive, why can't you as well? So it's fighting, I know. Yeah, it is, but it's true. Let's take our first up trend in. Three escaped deaths in Lagos multiple crash. And no fewer than three persons have escaped deaths in a multiple crash that occurred in the Antony of Vanikora area of Lagos on Saturday. And according to LASMA investigation, it was due to break failure. The 40-foot container truck while traveling at top speed collided with three other vehicles, including a fully loaded tipper with sand. The statement partly read, quote, the general manager of LASMA, Mr. Balaji Ereba cautioned the motor and public to always ensure that the vehicles are in good condition before embarking on any journey, both within and outside Lagos. Police men from Iluqba Juplice Command supported LASMA officials during the rescue operations. Very sad, young young girl. I mean, look at the picture. Look at the picture. That's, it's terrible. No one could have survived those two vehicles I'm looking at. Again, the unfortunate story of these trucks, these trucks on our roads, they made themselves nothing but death traps on the roads. You see them, you are apprehensive.  And here they've taken three lives. This is, well, they almost took them. This is adding to the fact that some of these trucks that carry containers, they don't even tie the containers. They don't, they latches, they call them or something. So they just carry them that way. And if it is not brick-filling, which we have always been seeing on the Tadolab Bridge, for instance. That place is their favorite spot to go. If it is not brick failure, we see container falling off the truck. And I wonder where the authorities look when they're inspecting vehicles, when they are on the road, what are they looking out for? So it's just terrible that this has to happen all the time. Brick failure, you don't check your car, you don't, that kind of a vehicle that is so dangerous on the road and at what time was it even running when other vehicles were also on the road? Haven't they said they should be running in the night and all that, anyway? Yeah, I kind of misinformed there. Three days, they didn't die. They didn't die, there was a slip of tongue there. So even when there's a strap, you know, even when there's a strap, it's so thin and it looks like this thing cannot hold. If anything were to happen, if they were to swerve as a result of brick failure or some part, it wouldn't skip, it wouldn't stay, it would fall and still fall onto the next vehicle, either beside it or behind it. I'm a little bit asking why are they allowed on the roads like that, are there no standards that they should follow and if they're not following the standards, is it someone who's being grabbed somewhere or why are they, are the authorities holding their hands and just watching these things happen all the time? From time to time, we hear that there's a regulation stopping them from moving at certain times of the day, but then we still see them, you know, on the times that they were set not to be on the road. And so if your door boils down to, you know, regulation, strict adherence to the rules, to the laws of the land, it's sad that we keep talking about this. What did they even talk about? Because some of these vehicles are so rickety, some of these vehicles like this one has no reason to have brick failure if they had the vehicle checked. A lot of people want to cut corners even in things as dangerous as this and the authorities are on the road and just asking you where your papers, when your papers are complete, they are even angry with you because nothing else will come. You know, I asked the question when we had the commandant from, you know, when we introduced this red wordiness, renewal and all of that. And I asked, I said, look, what about those vehicles we see on the road that look so tilted to one side? Every part of it is looking like it's going to fall off any moment. Why do we see them on the roads? We find out, yeah. Because they don't mind the body.  You know, and then he explained that some of these heavy duty vehicles actually not in Lagos, that they're not registered in Lagos, they just pass through and as such they do not, you know, apprehend them, some of them. It did that. For me, it wasn't, it didn't suffice. It didn't suffice at all. As long as they're going through Lagos state, they should behave normal on the road and look worthy for Lagos roads. If in my house smoking is not allowed, even if you are just visiting, you shouldn't smoke. I'll tell you that in my house we don't smoke.  So if they're entering Lagos, they have to, like I say, if you go to Rome, if you have like the Romans, if you're entering Lagos and the laws in Lagos say a certain kind of vehicle cannot enter Lagos, in fact, it should be something that people will be applauding the state for, that in Lagos, they don't take any nonsense. So you can tell us that they came from another state and what if they kill a Lagos resident? Which they've been doing, they've been killing so many people. If they're not killing on that Otero Labrige, they're killing on Ojaleba or some other part, these two places, Otero Labrige and Ojaleba, the incidents there are just crazy from these heavy duty vehicles. Anyway, but I'm talking about vehicles. The president is targeting 11,500 gas-powered vehicles in new initiative, that is the president, Bola Nagwetu, who has approved the establishment of the Presidential Compressed Natural Gas Initiative, that's BCNGI, to facilitate nationwide adoption of gas-powered vehicles. The initiative which comprises a comprehensive adoption strategy will include the following. Empowering workshops, programs, nationwide network of workshops, local assembly, and job creation as key points of emphasis with an initial focus on mass transit systems and students' hopes to significantly reduce transit costs for the general populace in the immediate term. To reduce the effect of fuel subsidy removal is what he's saying about it, and we are seeing gas is part of fuel. Gas was down at some point, and then it came back up, and there's a possibility it will still go up. So it is up right now. So if it is going up, and then you're saying gas-powered vehicles and all that, how much will that really help? And 11,500 to service maybe 200 million people, I don't know how that would work. And it keeps bogging my mind. You've removed fuel subsidy, and then you're giving 50 billion to every, is it five billion, sorry, to every state to go and do palliatives. Palliatives that will not even get to everybody. You remove a common good, and then you're giving a specific good because it's coming to specific people and not the general populace. And you say you're helping the nation. I don't know how our leaders think maybe when I become the political leader, I will think that way, but I don't know how. Well, that five billion era is creating some sort of Rofo-Rofo fight right now because from what I said earlier, the governors now want to refund the money. They said if they refund it, how then is it palliative, all right? It's not. The argument is valid, it is not. Why not just put the five billion into a common good, like we're saying, instead of just giving, even those governors, even if they say they are going to return it, the amount that will get to the people will be less than half. Is the unfortunate scenario that we're not explaining this unfortunate lack of trust and confidence in our public officers, especially the governors, the counselors, all of them, the fact that we can't trust them, all right? Because they've not earned our trust over time. And so even if there were any good ones amongst them, we still cannot trust them. I mean, we have different experiences to draw from. And so it makes it difficult to trust that this much needed palliative will be used effectively. And of course, as some have also done in breaking down how much would get to an individual, even if they were to use them effectively, even if they were to judiciously, sincerely share this palliative, of what effect would it be? How are they even sharing palliative? First of all, there's no data with which they're going to share the palliatives. The data, in quote, that they had from the previous administration, they say they don't trust it. They have not done anything to have new data. Now this palliative will go to the states before this data is heard. Okay, you're giving five billion to every state. A state like Lagos has over about 20 million people. They have five million to be given to them. Then you go to Jigawa and give the same five million. Go to state, five billion, sorry. You go to states that the population is not that much and give the same five billion. How is that equity? So how is the Lagos population going to share the five billion palliative? Perhaps they're living that to the governors to fashion that out. I mean, they're not governors for nothing, right? But then, as I said, I think the issue is that of confidence. That lack of trust. That lack of trust. We've given you this money. Go use it and make sure that your people are, you know, receive some sort of help because of the ongoing subsidy removal suffering that everyone is going through. The inflation puts the money at... 2000? Is it 2000 or 1,500? So everybody in Nigeria will get like 1,500 or 2,000. Don't say everybody. They're talking about the poorest of the poor. Are you among the poorest of the poor? Well, as in Nigeria, I would say God of the poor. But what kind of shiggy is the poorest of the poor seeing that I'm not seeing? I don't know. That's the question. Even if they were to share it to the poorest of the poor and, you know, it gets to them at 2,000 there and 1,500, which is what I've said earlier. It's of what effect would it have? And it's a one-time thing. It's a one-time thing. And at the end of the day, it becomes a debt that the states will have to pay back. So these are things that, you know, they really need to... We don't want to use the phrase trial and error.  Because it would seem as if we're not patient. It would seem as if we've been too critical. But then these things playing out back and forth gives a sense of, you know, lack of some grip of the situation and lack of thorough planning and thought to these things that have been dished out. And it's not good for our psyche because we need to be able to have something to hold on to that would give us a sense of renewed hope, to look forward to. So these are things that we really hope they sort out and make things better so that the poor can actually breathe. A large percentage of us in this country are actually poor. Yeah, whether you describe us as the poorest of the poor or not, the fact is that most of us in this country are poor, unfortunately, because if you had 2 million, 5 million, say in January, and you felt rich, now that your 5 million, that your 2 million, 3 million Naira is close to nothing. Yeah, because everything, almost everything is double the price it was, even in January. Because the worth of the Naira plummeted. Thank God it's beginning to gain some sort of value, but it still adds like 700 to the dollar. So it's still very weak. I want to see Naira, our currency, receive value, let it appreciate so that it can compete favorably against the Naira. It's very crucial. It's very crucial if people will be removed from the poverty level. It's very crucial to give value to our Naira. They kept telling us that it's a very good policy. It's going to make our economy better. Everything they have done, they tell us that it's good for us. Falities, oh sorry, the subsidy was removed, it's good for us. I don't see any good is doing me as a person. I don't know about the next person. I don't see any good is doing me. And my family, and my village. Okay, they told us that... Okay, that your village matter, yeah I'm going to say this. It's better for another day that your village matter. It's a special case. Whatever, I think democracy is about the people and what the people will stand to gain. And the people having a voice in the kind of governance that they have. Now if the people cry out that this policy, no matter how you think is good for us, we don't like it. The government should be humble enough to listen to the voice of the people and reverse. It's no shame in saying that. We didn't think this thing through. It does appear that the government is beginning to listen. I mean the 8009 thing was reviewed, although I don't know how much it is now. And what is the situation with that 8006? I mean, what will that do? And then the cabinet reshuffling that we just heard of engineer Bubaka Momo no longer signed to ministry of youth because the guy is no youth. I mean, we discussed it on Friday. Why would you make someone a 61 year old man make him a minister for the youth? And so he's been moved to Nigel Delta now and he's the supporters of president. To Nibbu, we say this shows he's a listening president. And of course, on Friday when we discussed it, it looks like Nigel Delta ministry had been scrapped because we didn't see anything. No one was assigned to it. So now engineer Bubaka Momo has been assigned to that. And someone else is going to be designated, will be designated to go to the ministry of the youth. I imagine they're going to put someone who's much younger, maybe someone in his 30s or early 40s. 30s? Well, not that for nothing. But the reshuffle meant, we didn't even see these people perform whether they were going to do good or they were not going to do good. They had been reshuffled before they even started the job. I don't know what informed that. If they're saying is because it's a listening president and all that. Well, let's wait to see whether it is a good move that he made or not. But we'll still have our analysts discuss that with us off the press because we know that there's no screening headlines there. Yeah, definitely. But at this point, we will have to take a break and when we return, we go to the press. Stay with us.