Welcome once again to the breakfast on Plus TV Africa. Our first major conversation this morning is going to be talking about zoning and you know why this is important as we move steps closer to the 2023 general elections. Political parties have started to of course position themselves, listening very closely to what the people are saying and also listening to advice from analysts on what must be done in order to win in the elections in 2023. Earlier today we also spoke about the national chairmanship of the PDP very likely being zoned to the north and what that means with whoever it is that they choose as their candidate for 2023. But these are all just steps with regards who exactly will be taking you know the mantle for 2023 on different political parties. This morning we're speaking with a policy risk management expert Mr. Oshino Ibrahim to share his thoughts concerning zoning. Mr. Ibrahim, good morning. Thanks for joining us and thanks for your time as always. Thank you for having me. My pleasure. Alright so now let's start with you know the controversy concerning zoning. If you notice you know the conversation changes every now and then you know in different regions. There are times when people say you know political groups would say or forums rather would say oh yes we support zoning it should come to this part of the country next. And then couple of years later they have a rethink and say oh no it's not constitutional. So let me first of all get your thoughts on the idea of zoning. Do you think that that is how Nigerians should you know run the electoral process. Thank you very much for having me once again. I have been monitoring the zoning you know pandemic that is what we're going to call it because everybody's affected with the zoning issue right now. But zoning in political space is not an issue. It's even constitutional going by the federal character going by you know the rights guaranteed by the Constitution for you know every Nigerian who is born on the soil to be eligible to contest for the office of the president or whatever offices he or she so desire. The zoning is normal. It's you know it brings cohesion. It brings you know unity. It brings you know it brings harmony and let's be specific about the Nigerian politics. The zoning is normal. Zoning is great. Look at the constitution of both parties. The constitutions of both parties are friendly and tailored towards fairness equity and justice. The zoning in Nigeria is even constitutionally friendly. So every country has their own political you know thing with it. They have their own political you know landings. Not to say. So zoning for me is good. Some constitution agrees and have a sexual testing the zoning of a rotational presidency or the governorship or whatever they feel that political presidency is demanded. So zoning for me is legitimate. Even in Nigerian constitution. Of course zoning is indirectly or directly going by the federal character principle is constitutional. Well the explanation if it's going to be tested in cost. Sadly the narrative concerning it's been constitutional or not is different from Northern Governors Forum because they say it's unconstitutional you know simply because you know it should be the right of every Nigerian to contest for any political seats across the country. But you're saying it is constitutional for the same reason.   This would not bring you know this will definitely bring you know the salmon in the country is going to bring a lot of chaos in the country. You know and I've listened very carefully to some of the governors. Some of their personal thoughts about they are you know the Northern Governors Forum and the rest of them. Though I don't want to make comments about the gentleman Barbara comments. I don't want to make. I don't want to make any comment on him because I don't want to even polish him or promote him. He is not. He's just a retired power secretary or probably a director. So when governor speaks you know he doesn't have any right to speak and I'm glad that some of the southern government does not respond to him.  What is he talking about? But I'm glad that some of our calls on other programs like yours on TVC and the rest of them calling on the Northern Governors Forum to speak and I'm glad they did. Now let's go to their issue. If you listen to some of their communique they are saying that the southern governors should not mandate them and I agree with them. The use of must must be removed. And I'm calling of Governor K. Dulu. I'm calling of Governor Cal Defy me to place work on the communique, the language and the test of their communique to the country. Politics is about negotiation. It's about give and take. It's about mobilization. It's about dialogue. You know, use of must or shall come to the south doesn't work. For me personally it doesn't work. Of course I want the presidency to come to the south and I'm going to work for it to come to the south so that there has to be a balance. Presidents, it's excellent to President Muhammad Bari who finished his channel in the next two years. Then it should move to the southern part of the country. After our channel or eight years in office, so be it, then it will go back to the north. Now, what I think the northern governor forum, they are saying is that there should not be a mandate. There has to be. Of course, look at what Martin Luther King said, you can't govern me without my consent. If you want to govern anybody, you have to go out, you have to campaign, you have to speak to the north. I expect the southern governor forum to speak politely to the northern governor forum. You know, that is ideal. Listen to what my dear brother, brother Faisa said. He said the issue the northern governors are having with the southern governors is the language, the texts, the texts of the world. You know, I'm not doubting that if PDP zones their own presidency to the north, the lights of article, even without showing it to the north, the lights of article will speak. Look at my dear friend, show me. Of course, all the full soldiers of article, they have already mobilizing that, with or without their zoning committee recommendations, article is going to run. So it's possible that we're going to have another candidate from the north. It's possible that a candidate will go to a man from the north, either in PDP or any other party. But hopefully, I'm sure you're going to call me back. The candidate that we're a man from PDP is going to come from the north. I cannot show you. So this discussion at the end of the day is a game of number. So I will call on the southern governor to mobilize the majority of the northern governors. Majority, you can't capture them all. Some of the governors, like governor Burunu, governor of jobs, play two states, and the rest of them are supporting, including Nassarra, supporting the southern candidates. Some of them are speaking up. But what we need is just the strength of them. We don't need all of them because some of them will still, you know, some of the PDP governors who are among the northern governors will. Definitely, definitely support the northern, indirectly support the northern candidates. So the game ahead is still far, far fresh. So everybody should get ready. It's one or two, three months. We'll see what's going to happen after the convention of PDP. It's pretty interesting to see, you know, and, you know, it now almost sounds like the most important factor is the support of governors and the forums instead of the electorate and who they really want to, you know, take over the mantle of leadership in 2023. I want you to, you know, speak with regards where you see the political parties leaning towards and the reason they might be leaning in that direction. Do you think that there might be fears of presenting a northern candidate in 2023? Do you think that the political parties might want to, you know, move away from that mostly because of, you know, the last couple of years in Nigeria? You know, I'm a member of the British Institute of Risk Management and, you know, policy strategies. And we are mentioning the risk analysis or baggage of issues candidates that might possibly emerge. Let me just, let me take it from the first question you have, that the process of, you know, leadership in our country starts from the political party. We are still talking about the party structure right now. The electorate are not involved. Yeah. Okay. The process of conversion, setting up the party machinery, conversion and nomination of the presidential candidates, that after sorting out issues politically, issues parties are, you know, sorting themselves out and get providing and producing a candidate, then the electorate can come in. And who are the electorate? Most of them are also a party member, but most of them are not. Now, if you look at the detachment of, you know, you know, people who are not in politics, maybe from private sector, ordinary citizens, they are saying that either you bring from the north or south, they want the best candidates. Like the former enemy of Kanosai recently, that are the candidates. So, you know, we seem to have lost feed from you, but of course we'll try to reconnect and get the conversation going. We're mostly speaking about zoning and how important it is, you know, as we take, you know, further steps towards 2023 and the general elections come in, you know, in 2023. These important conversations, mostly because, you know, a lot of these, most of the political parties, the two major political parties really, you know, will need to make decisions that will give them a fighting chance in 2023. Another thing that I'm very sure I will bring up, you know, is the argument concerning zoning and competence and who, you know, what do you think should be more important? Is it the region where the candidate comes from or competence, you know, and maybe that's where the electorate would also come into the picture. I've had numerous conversations concerning this, you know, and next Nigerians, what really is more important to you? Is it the region the candidate comes from or the competence of that candidate? Yes, there's arguments that, yes, you know, every region in the country has, you know, persons, you know, of very, very high competence level that will be able to stare the Nigerianship properly. And so it doesn't matter where they're from or, you know, it doesn't matter, you know, what region they're from. There's definitely enough competent hands in every region. But what is the Nigerian electorate feeling like? And what is the mindset of the Nigerian electorate in the next couple of years, seeing the way things have turned out in Nigeria? Mr. Ashina, can you hear us now? Yes, I can. Welcome back. Can we go ahead? And then we can talk about competence vis-a-vis zoning.  The party affairs takes, you know, from getting your world congress to state congress, then going to the convention, nominations to the convention, then the convention that will nominate, you know, the presidency or the president of each party. So we are still at that process. What is happening right now is just a party affairs, because there's no way you can be nominated without having, you know, a political party. The independent candidate right now is not there. Look at some, you know, some folks in Lagos states, there's a young guy planning or lobbying to be, you know, the governor of the state. Look at a state for instance, my state. You know, Sharon was showing me my dear friend. He's saying he wants to be the governor of the state. He said the incumbent governor is a Batuaian governor. He has the reason for saying that. So everybody, this is a party affairs right now. And we look forward to probably after the PDP convention, then we will now see what each party will present to the, you know, to the populace, to the electorate. And at the same time, I urge our party to ensure that we produce one of the best candidates that will be acceptable to Nigerians. Because right now, Nigerian believes that 2023, after President Mohamed Gwadi, we need somebody who has the tenacity, who has the widespread, who is a state who by heart to lead this country and move forward from where President Muhammad is probably going to stop. So these are the things we are looking up in APC. But in PDP, of course, there's a lot of go to some of them are rejecting the recommendations of the Sony committee.  Two former president or three of them, governments, and they're saying they are not interested in their, in their recommendation. So we're going to see a lot of issues. You know, some are still going to pull out in PDP. I can assure you, coming to APC, and we are ready to accept them. Like those nine of us, hopefully I'm sure it's going to come back. He's my dear brother. It's going to come to APC. So like many of them who are possibly going to come back because there's a lot of issues in their party.  Which is, second, is suspended. My dear friend, Kola, I don't even know where he is right now. So there's a lot of issues going back and forth. So we look forward to their convention then. Our own is coming up probably in December or January by God's grace, you know. Let's talk about it from the level of the electorate now. From conversations that you've had, and of course, you know, from what you've also felt from the people, do you think that the zoning conversation is important? Do you think there's more Nigerians that are eager to vote for either a southern or northern candidate? You know, speaking as the Nigerian, I think most of the Nigerians, you know, at least right now, they care less about where the candidate is going. They're looking at the competency right now. The competent candidate is what's going to attract them. You know, I also believe in that as a professional, you know, in politics, I believe competency, you know, is very important. I can assure you, the South House, of course, is going to present one of the best brain in terms of private and public sector that will lead this country.  You know, so most Nigerians probably will not look at the zoning, where you come from or where, but of course, largely, people will believe that the power should come to the South. I've been, you know, I haven't seen, you know, you know, the performance of, for example, Ramon Iboali, and it's coming from the North extraction. So we believe that, we believe that, okay, for fairness, equity and justice, the South also should have a bite of it. So which is, you know, not my democratic setting, but I insist the Southern Governors Forum and most of our elite in the South must love it or not. Most love it or not. The issue of composting, you know, rhetorics, saying it must come to South must talk. People should manage the language or, you know, the communicator is coming out from the South.  If you have to be or be one of the top most office in this country, you have to lobby. You can't do it alone. The South is, you know, cannot produce the presidency of this country. There's no way you want to do it. So the politics, you have to pay the policies. And some of them, like Rosario Grosso, my Governor Opus Odema, these are the things they are promoting. And the former candidate, former Senate president, they are promoting. Yes, I should know, we seem to have lost your sound once again. I'm not sure. I hope that we can reconnect with you and get clear of feed. I want to ask next, you know, you don't know that he speaks a little bit more on the reason there is more, or it seems that there is more people who are lobbying to see a Southern candidate. And I'm referring to the electorate once again. And what exactly the reason, you know, is, what the reason really is behind that. Because I've seen people who say, Mr. Sashino, can you hear us? Yes, I can. Okay, I apologize for that. I'm not sure what's going on with the network. But I want you to speak a little bit more. You'd mentioned it already. On the reason you feel there is more people who are eager to see a candidate from the southern part of Nigeria. On the reason you feel there is more people who are eager to see a candidate from the southern part of Nigeria.  I'm asking, why do you think there is more people who are eager to see a candidate from the south? Because I've seen people who say, regardless of the political party, even if they love the PDP or they love the APC, they're only voting for a candidate that comes from southern Nigeria.  So why do you think that is?  Those of us who believe that the candidate should come from the south believe that in this country, we believe that the only way you can, you know, be free to order, you know, section of the country is by, you know, after your 80s from the north, let the south, anywhere from the south, south, south east, south west, can have it, you know. But we are not trying to boss the presidency to the south. We are appealing, you know, we are on table with some of our northern friends to see reason why we have to do this, why this has to come to our side. For instance, some of the zones in the south west like southeast, I think the presidents were very long time. So they've not even texted the presidency. So we are saying that let the presidents, let major, the leading two political parties move their presidency to the south. Either PDP or APC, they let the electorate job. You can tell me that PDP will not see a good candidate from the south. Of course, they are even bringing some of their best terms like governor, governor, my dear brother, governor Udom, good guy, you know. And he's talking there also, who is trying from the south west. You know, you're doing the little you can do, but I can assure you APC is taking over, you know, from him very soon. So they are bringing some of their, you know, little best out. And APC very soon will unveil from the south west, people who believe that they have the character, they have the widespread, they have their, their, their, their, their, you know, achievement to speak for them from the south, from the APC. So with any politics, you know, thinking towards that direction, it's a patriotic engineer. Mr. Oshino, would you vote a southern candidate of the PDP if the APC presents a candidate from the north? I think we may have once again lost him. And I would like him to answer that, you know, just really to see how emotional people are. You know, in the build up to the elections, which is still more than a year away. You know, how emotional people are concerned in, you know, the need for the presidency to move to the south in 2023. The arguments, you know, vary, you know, in different corners. Mr. Oshino, are you back? Can you hear us? Yes, I'm back.  There's people who say that they will vote a southern candidate, regardless of the party that the president is from. Even if it means going outside the party that they support. So would you vote a PDP candidate from the south if the APC for some reason presents a northern candidate? I will answer that question right now. You know, when you present me a candidate, I have to scrutinize the candidates, you know. I'm going to vote for, you know, the first, I was released a couple of days ago by PDP, even though they are from the south, you know, I can decide to take on another party. Of course, I'm a member of my party. So, you know, you put them to me. But I would do whatever we can right now to ensure that, you know, APC produce, you know, a candidate from the south. And I'm sure most of our party leaders are working to other direction. So I didn't see that coming. But let's leave that for now. So what do you think the emotional attachment to, you know, for the electorate really is? Where is it higher? Is it with ensuring that a southern candidate emerges or ensuring that a competent candidate emerges? I'm still speaking with Ibrahim Oshino, a policy risk management expert. And the conversation is really on zoning. And, you know, what these political parties across Nigeria would be thinking about as we move closer to 2023. And now, Mr. Oshino, I want us to now talk about the southeast and the complexities with regards presenting a southeastern candidate. There has been one or two that have been mentioned, mostly from our Anambra State Governor, Peter Obi, you know, as a possible, you know, persons that might be put forward. Would you say, seeing Nigeria's history, that it is only right, it's only fair, it's only just that in 2023 one of these two political parties pushes a southeastern candidate? You know, I can say this, you know, without fear of any contradiction that the southeasterners deserve to lead this country. You know, I subscribe to the annotation of, you know, conversing for the office of the president.   So I've urged few concerns, you know, you know, folks who are living in the southeast and some of their political elites to kindly, you know, talk to the young folks who are damaging the little they have.  And they are also damaging the little they have for their people. Look at the southeastern order. The southeastern order in the southeast has engulfed their economy at a scale of over 40% of their natural income that comes from, you know, SMEs, you know, trading, people commercial banks in the southeast are shutting down. You know, that's a different angle entirely, you know, and it's not necessarily, do you think that's an important angle with regards presenting a southeastern candidate?  There's no southeastern candidate. There can be a Nigerian from the southeast, not a southeastern candidate. Okay, well, a candidate from the southeast. That's what I'm saying. You can't be a candidate from the southeast without conversing, discussing, negotiating with other regions. We have six regions. You, alone from the southeast, cannot be a candidate. You have to talk. You have to discuss. And I give you to organize it. What they are doing. Some of their leaders in the National Assembly, who knows the game. They are playing it like Senator Koebe Madhu is playing it. He's talking to them. Look guys, we cannot unilaterally, even in PDP. PDP cannot give that.   We have witnessed military rule that damaged our economy for many, many years. And this man will come to the National TV and you guys give him all the paparazzi to spread bolognese on National TV, breaking economy. Well, it's his perspective, you know, and, you know, I think you are also allowed to have your own perspective on governance. I would prefer candidates like Kristi Mogalu and the rest of them who can come out a professional investment banker, who can come out in Southeast, Lobby the North, Lobby the Northwest, Lobby Southwest, Lobby South South, Lobby North, Lobby North is not central and produce a candidate. I will vote for a South Eastern candidate. If it's coming from a party, I will vote for them. And they have the best opportunity in every city. They have the best opportunity to produce a presidential candidate. They have the one of the best brain. You cannot undermine the South Eastern in this country. They are actually, you know, they are one of the body that makes up this country. You know, they deserve better.  So I urge them to play the politics. This is the time for the politics. This is the time. This is the right time. They should negotiate. They should come at a mass. They should discuss both GDP and EPC to produce the whole candidate, destroying, damaging, claiming elections, you know, old, burning national assets. That will not happen. And you will bring them south on the power. That is what I can show you. It's not the political leaders of the Southeast. Yeah, it's not the political leaders of the Southeast that are, you know, causing the mayhem in the Southeast. They are these elements. And I think we accept that they are elements of the IPOB or ESN, whoever they are, maybe just criminals in the Southeast that are causing the mayhem. It's not the political leadership. If there is, you know, a... I'm not saying... I'm not saying it's a political leadership. Maybe you didn't hear it very well. I'm not saying the political leadership. Governor Puzo Dima, I'm quoting him now, he said there is a political undertone that the opponents are igniting the crisis. Later, you can imagine a neurologist, a medical doctor, Dr. Rokwa Kuyeli, was murdered, brought their lives in his home state. He's not a politician. He's the man of a politician. He was murdered right in his home state where he was born in Anambra. He was murdered. He's a politician. He's not a politician. So, who is after the man? The man is a professional. So, and if you look at those killings, these guys are not covering their face. They are showing their face and they are from one neighborhood or the other. They know themselves. My dear brother, Joe Iko Kuei, I was raised down just because it was, you know, trying to talk them over them. Everybody cannot be on the same, you know, cannot be on the same feather. You know, in my home state, I served at the higher level as a cabinet member in my home state. It's not all governor Kuei is doing that I'm agreeing with. I have access to some other things he's doing. I believe he's not communicating with the people in the local state. Some of his best achievements are undermining. He's not doing enough to discuss with other people. That's why the likes of Sheikh Mushubah can call him, can have their function to call him back to your governor because he's not communicating. The politics is not played on social media. You have to have a strategy to discuss with people. You have to form harmony. You have to work with the former media and other stakeholders in the party. The governor's, you know, like Baba Sheikh Mushubah, he can't do it alone. He's an elder statement. Governor Benga Dane can't do it alone. Governor Mushubah is there. There can be discussion on the table. He's doing his best, but his best is not known to a lot of people. And some of us who are stakeholder, who found the party in the local state are looking back because everybody's not hungry. Everybody cannot be in government. So, the South Easterners need to come and showcase what they are able to do, their capacity. Let Nigerian believes in them. You know, they are more friendly to the South Easterners. But the Norths are perceiving them in another angle. So, they need to convince some of the North Central Nazis and the Northern elites, you know, killing many people will take them far from the power. And I can say that again. Well, once again, I get your point. And, you know, when you're talking about lobbying and, you know, mending fences and negotiating with the North and with the South, South and Middle Bed and whoever else, those are for the political leadership, the traditional leadership. That's for them to do. But when you put that, you know, side-by-side with saying, killing and burning would not help them.  They are criminal elements in the Southeast that have committed all these atrocities and, you know, are probably still there. The government needs to ensure that they address immediately. They are not the same people who should be negotiating. They are not the same people who should be speaking of finding a Southeast and candidate. Same way, Kaduna State is going through its own security challenges. It's had multiple levels of kidnappings, murder, killings, villages, and the likes have been attacked. But, you know, it doesn't stop the, you know, Northern elite or political elite in the North from speaking and vying for presidency or for whatever political seat. Are you there? Yes, absolutely. What is the reason of killing? What is the reason of the mayor? What is the reason why some folks, some cultural elements in the Southeast are saying that there will not be elections? Why? The reason, I can tell you, it's not far-fetched, I can tell you the reason. The reason is because they believe they have been marginalized. It's because they believe that there are little or no government presence in the region. These are the reasons for their participation. I'm telling you, all these people who are killing or unknown government are from one neighborhood. Some of these classmates, there are some of these customers in the market. I get all of that. I'm saying that the people that you are referring to now are not the ones that you expect to come and negotiate with the North for a South Eastern candidate. No. That's the point that I'm making, because from your statements, you've put them in the same bracket. You've said instead of burning your houses, instead of causing mayhem, come and negotiate instead. There are no sets of people in time. Now let me break it down for you, my dear brother. Now, the governor of Ishi State can call a youth forum where all these bitter-minded young folks can be on the table. What are the issues? They will state few facts, few reasons why all this mayhem is coming up in different communities in the South East. What do they want? And I can bet you part of their agitation is that they have been tortured. They are not part of Nigeria. And their leadership, the constituted authority, the stakeholders and the non-state actor like their senators, the South East forum, the governor's forum can take their message to the center, to the forefront. I'm not saying that the young guys with 25 years will come and negotiate, but the reason why they are doing this can be gathered within their region, within their locality. The local government chairman can summon few guys and take them to the state, to the governor and the governor can take the holistic request or the holistic concern to the region and to the center. These are the gradual reason. Crime happens in the community, in the world. If somebody is killed today, probably in a kejah somebody is going to be in one world, maybe world F or world J. So somebody knows somebody who is living in world J. So from there you have the world councilor, you have the local government chairman is a ladder process. That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying they will come and negotiate at the center. No, but they can gather information, gather reasons why all these things are holding up and happening then they can take it to the local government to their house of rest member, to their senator, to the governor. They will move and move and move to that extent. So that's what I'm saying. They can negotiate but negotiator at the point is the best option at this point in time. Some of them are saying that the government should release them the canon. Some of them are saying that they need more government presence either the South Eastern president or not. Negotiation still needs to come up. That's what I mean. All right. I think nicely put, we would see how the political parties, the two major political parties position themselves in the build up to the elections. They both have decisions to make at the party level and of course I'm sure that they would also be listed very carefully to what the people are saying before they make these decisions. Ibrahim, I always enjoy speaking with you. Thank you so much for joining us this morning and we wish you a very interesting week ahead. We may have lost him once again at the end of the program but that's all you know the conversation on zoning for now. We definitely would have many more as we head closer to the elections in 2023. If you missed out on any of the conversations this morning on the breakfast remember where to find us is simply at POS TV Africa on Facebook, Instagram and do subscribe also with the same handle on our YouTube channel and POS TV Africa lifestyle. I am Osao Yi of BOMB. See you tomorrow.


Someone just ran over them or knocked them out of the way. Signs were stolen, the ones that could be stolen, some of the ones that couldn't be stolen were run over. And this happened probably about 3-3-30 in the morning. Of course it was very dark. The signs and cones and barrels actually belong to Mountain Enterprise, but their supplier is not close. We were using ours to help them fix the situation until their replacement barrels and cones and signs could be delivered. So when Keith Coleman got to the site, he was stunned. He called me and he said in all of his 22 years of working at District 12 in signs and signals he had never seen such a mess. He'd never seen such devastation in terms of vandalism, something that had been deliberately vandalized. This was definitely not an accident. Thank goodness there haven't been any wrecks as a result of this.


Part of what we're doing is always coming back to gradual release and the teaching piece. Kim talked about this, Deb talked about this. This has come through in everything, but we can't not have it first and foremost in our minds at all times. First, I model whatever it is I want kids to do. I model it. And then I have to provide guided practice, which is a chance for us to do it together with whatever it is that I want them to learn. Because we're still there as a coach, a very deliberate coach for walking side by side, hand in hand as we have the guided practice. And sometimes I'm the coach as the teacher, and sometimes the guided practice is set up so that we're working in partners. But you never get sent to do something on your own until you've had a chance to practice. In anything that we do, in literacy, in anything that we do, in any of the stuff that's going on in school, we're doing it together before we're launched out on our own. And when we're launched out on our own, it becomes an independent practice. But I'm still there, I'm just a step away in case some help is needed. But you're getting to try and do it by yourself because if I stay side by side with you forever, you won't get to the independent piece. That's as true in self-regulation as it is in figuring out which page to open the book on. What I'm looking for, and we've talked about that observation and collecting evidence of kids' learning, what I'm looking for is when kids are doing this, whatever I've been teaching them on their own. So when I've been reading, in a shared read aloud, I've started, as Kim did with us today when she read us Pete the Cat, she looked at the cover, she had a little chit-chat about it, she thought about what was going to be inside. So I've done that in my modeling. I might say to the kids when they're working with their buddies and they're reading on the carpet and they've got a partner in their reading, remember, check out your book and talk about the cover before you go and then I might say to them, and what did you notice when you looked at the cover? Cause they might need a little bit of extra help in getting started and looking at the cover. And then if I noticed that I still got somebody like Phil who's thinking that maybe he'll look at the cover tomorrow, I can help him find the cover on his book and he and his partner together can look at the cover together because that's what support looks like. But when they're reading without me having said that, I'm watching, I'm doing that scanning piece all the time in the class when they're doing an independent reading, they're coming in, they're picking up a book, do they pick it up and look at it before they started or they just fling it open so that I can stop and say, what did you notice that you did when you first started today and how did it help you? That's all part. So it just infuses everything that we're doing so that it becomes explicit to the kids what the behaviors need to look like. Now, if we do that, there's a couple of, this is another one of those frameworks, it's kind of a dancing part through frameworks, that we know well, coming from the assessment for learning research, it's those same three descriptive feedback questions, what's working, what's not, what's next, I have them in my head all the time with my class as a whole, with my small groups, with my individuals, and I'm talking deliberately about them and I'm labeling those questions as I say them in different ways so that when the kids are working in small groups and together, they're using the same questions and that we're working as we come and we're working together and somebody's reading to me and I say to them, how's this book going for you? How are you doing on it? What's working? What are you having no trouble with? Is there something in here that's a bit of a challenge? How can I help? That's a very different setup for a student than them just waiting until the avenging angel comes by and provides help because then there's too much off-task time because you can't get around to all 20 of them at the same time and you get really good at masking behavior so it's hard to find who are you gonna go next. You need that piece, it's the agency piece again but getting it so that it's inside the child's head so that they're saying to themselves, I got this, I think maybe I didn't get this part so much and when somebody, when I get a chance to get some help I know the kind of question I wanna ask. So again, it's a big picture that we have in our head that we're thinking about all the time because if we're going to improve their performance as readers, then we have to have some of those big frameworks that just influence the way we talk and interact with the kids. So the other piece that we wanted to, when Randy and I were talking about what this would look like, the other piece that we were thinking about in terms of the research and some of the big ideas around what makes a difference, what makes the most difference in supporting literacy with all students was thinking about, so what does it look like? What are some of the choices that make a difference during the day for the range of learners who are in the classroom? And so what we're gonna do in this next piece is I'm gonna just explain a little bit about what this daily menu looks like and then we're going to try and show you some samples of what some of these pieces look like. And we're just gonna kinda bounce back and forth on that a little bit. And Randy is going to wear his special Ed hat. He's the support person. And so when he jumps in from time to time, this is the kind of thing that he could be doing with me in the classroom, focused on goals that we have for our kids. But we'll sort of unpack that as we're going. But I just always think that it's good to have a few of those, what does it look like in the classroom pieces when you're going because you never know when somebody's gonna ask you that tricky question. Because you know, add on to the part that you figured out. So the first thing is we know the power of read aloud, right? So we're reading aloud all the time during the day, many times, little pieces, big pieces, different kinds of text. I'm going to skip modeling the read aloud piece because Kim modeled read aloud with us very nicely with Pete Picat. And did you hear, were you listening with your outside voice when she said, I'm gonna read a book to you? The groom went, ah, you know, we're the grownups and we still went, ah, someone's finally gonna read us a book. It's that same feeling for kids. And we know the power of hearing a fluent expressive reader read. Now there's two pieces that I want you to think about in the read aloud piece. There's the time when we're reading, we're sort of grabbing something and reading it and we're just reading through. We're not doing a lot of teaching with it, we're just reading through. But it's still even in a reading through in my mind, isn't it just start in the first word and go through to the end? Because we do little pieces along the way without dissecting the book and without stopping the flow where we talk about what it looks like as we make meaning. Because if we don't, then kids can separate that this is what teaching and working at reading looks like and this is what reading looks like. So I'm trying to get to the galloping stage because we're never trying to get to the galloping stage. We're trying to get to the piece where it's always about thoughtful reasoning as we go through. So, and as Kim did as she went, she taught, she had little side talks as she went and it didn't slow us down. Again, you know, I'm sitting next to Alan. It's his grandson's favorite book. And guess what? Grandpa knew all the words that were coming next. He predicted along with them. And he said, you know, I get to read this book every time and with my grandson many, many times because it's his favorite. And even though Alan is a pretty experienced literacy educator, he still was chiming in there. He knew the colors. He knew what was gonna match up with the thing that had made it the color. Yeah, I was very impressed because I was practicing so I would know them too. But that's the piece. You see, it's that invitation. Maureen started by saying, this is about not just creating readers who read, but creating readers who want to read, who do read and who see reading as a joyful opportunity, as something that's good for them. And so we wanna be working with that. If you pick up a book or you're reading something and you're just thinking, oh, ghastly. So boring, ooh, you know, I can't believe the librarian gave this to me. I guess I should have read it first. Cause it's, you know, the kids are picking up on that. Okay, you need to have that piece. This is a real thing. It needs to sound like something you wanna read. Now the next piece I wanna think about in here though is the think aloud piece.  I think I've been saying this now for several years. I firmly believe if we did a think aloud in every classroom in our province every day for five, 10, 15 minutes, no matter what kind of text and with a variety of kind of text. If we did nothing else differently, I think we'd improve reading performance for all kids. It's as simple as that. And it takes not one minute of prep, okay? Not a speck of prep. It just takes the consciousness of thinking about I'm going to do this, okay? So that's the piece we're gonna do next. We're going to model a little think aloud. Randy and I together, cause we happen to be both hanging out in the classroom together, working with this group of kids. And so this is one of the ways that the collaboration could look as we're going. And we're sitting in this class, just gonna get to my right spot. In this class, we're going to be in a two, three class. Here's the steps. They're written down. If you haven't done them before, don't worry about the writing down because it actually takes more words on the paper. It's just easier to do it. The first thing we're doing is I'm going to model what goes on inside my head when I'm reading this passage, okay? But I'm doing that with my students in mind because I've been watching them. I've been thinking about who they are and I've been thinking about what do they need to know? So that's what I'm modeling. That's what I'm putting into my head because as one of the teachers said to me once, this is a young woman, and there was actually two of them. They were cute as buttons and sitting in a workshop when I was doing this. And I noticed they weren't participating very well in this part. And one of them said, I actually didn't have any trouble reading when I was in school, so I never did this part. I said, well, it's not actually about whether or not I'm having trouble reading. It's about what my kids are doing. I'm trying to show them what they could do. So it's not a reflection on self. It's a teaching piece, okay? And it varies depending on who your kids are, right? Because you're thinking about what do they need to know because this is going to be a thread that you can pull out into your small reading groups that you can pull out into your one-on-one because some of those kids need more practice with it, right?  It's also that opportunity to target that child that you pick for your inquiry because if I'm the resource teacher or the ABED teacher or the ABED worker, whomever that's working with Fay, the classroom teacher, here's my chance to model something that I know that that child could particularly benefit from. In an integrated way, right? Yes. We're all together here. Now, I'm going to model and then I'm going to give them a chance to practice. That's the guided practice. And then we're just going to go on with the reading because what I'm trying to do is give those deliberate practicing sessions in the whole group session so that as they get more and more of it, they have better chance of being independent when they go and do their own work. So it doesn't, I'm not doing this for half an hour or 45 minutes. It's faster than that, okay? We've just finished up that lesson. We're now, oh, great. We're going into our small group reading, okay? Some of us call it small group reading. Some of us call it guided reading. Some of us follow the guided reading. Fountains and Penel levels very, very carefully. Some of us choose, go into the book room and sort the books into hard, hard, or hardest and then take that hard, hard, or hardest and then separate them out again, like Tony Stead said, and make them hard, hard, or hardest until we've got the number of categories that we want to have. I talked to my friend Colleen Reimer the other day and I said when you've got somebody who's really, really struggling, what do you think is one of the most important things that you do? And she said it's book choice. I take the whole little group that the kids are reading in. We go to the book room. I take out all the books, the little box of books that are sort of around the level that I think we're gonna be reading and I say to the kids, choose two books in here. I sort of do a quick book talk with them. I say choose two books in here that you think you'd all like to read.  She said I do it every time and we sort of need a new little collection of books to start with. It takes a few minutes, but every kid has perused every book half a dozen times before we ever get to the part of actually reading and they all think every book is worth reading because it's been chosen if not by me, by my partner, by somebody else and it's all about choice but it's also about building background knowledge before we get in. So the important part here isn't how strict you are with the leveling. These are personal choice pieces. That's not the most important part. The important part is that kids have a book that works for them at an instructional level, a just right book because they're gonna be in a smaller group and you're gonna be deliberately and explicitly teaching them. But this time when you're teaching them you're also gonna remember those whole group lessons that you've been doing so that you can follow along on the same language because if what you've been modeling in that with the read aloud with the big book is there it better show up in the small group practice or it's going to look to kids like they're getting two different sets of expectations and models for what is reading. This is what we do in the big group. This is what we do in the little group and we need the consistency. So we're going to start and we're gonna do the same thing but in this group because this is a really group of young, young readers I'm going to start with my book and I'm going to just say to them it's called in went mouse. In went mouse. Hmm. And there's the cover. So I've got four kids sitting with me, right? In went mouse. Here's the cover. What do you think we should do first? We should look at the picture and what should we do with that picture because we did it this morning when we read the sea otter pup. We asked questions about what we wondered about that picture. So I've done it in the whole group I'm gonna start the same way. Now I might have decided that what I really wanted to do here was start by telling them a few things about this picture or doing a brainstorm around the picture. But if I'm going to do that then I better not have modeled with the questioning the first thing this morning because I could do that with my kids who are already reading because they've got more strategies under their belt but my kids who are struggling they need that same strategy as what I modeled earlier in the day so they can think oh, I think she might have done that because you know it takes a little more did we really do that this morning? Yes we did and yesterday and the day before and we're gonna do it for several more days because you need that in order to get it inside so you own it so you're not just waiting and saying I've got a book, what should I do next? Okay, because that's that signal coming through. Okay, so we're gonna ask some questions you know question, question, question but you're all gifted so you already understand that part but the piece there that I wanna keep coming back to is I'm choosing a way of starting because it takes lots of repetition starting it in my big group and then threading through one or two aspects that I wanna reinforce in my small group and with the more the kids need support the more consistent it needs to be when I get into this piece. So we've asked some questions we're also going to picture walk this book before we start because I know this is an early, early reading book that really the big idea in this piece is that the kids are getting directionality that they're thinking about looking at the pictures in order to be able to tell the story and that they're remembering that a story makes sense and it's secondary if they can do all the words that's coming next first of all they gotta get that part that this is story it will make sense it will go in this direction we could talk about it when it's done okay no matter what the book is it gets picked up so we go through and as we picture walk as you all know remember when we picture walk we go through and we talk about what's happening in each picture and we say all the words we just don't actually read them okay so I'm looking through and I'm thinking oh my gosh I think there's that tree with a big hole in it and I bet that little mouse that's right there by the picture I wonder what do you think he's gonna do think he might go in I think he did and if you already had gone in we'd say that he went in oh I wonder if that little mouse is gonna go in that tree and then we could say that he went in the tree and went mouse and I wonder what might be happening here what kind of animal do you think this one might be and I wonder what he might be doing I wonder if he's doing the same thing he's trying to get into that hole in the tree he's already in so I could say that he went in the hole in the tree and I think he's probably an owl and I do the same thing as I go through right woodpecker blah blah blah blah blah okay so then we all pick up because we've all got our own little pieces and then they all start to read back to me we might read it all together putting our fingers on the words as we go through let's read it together once three words the first one says in went mouse and we'd all do it together and the next one goes in went owl I can't believe how smart you are you knew all those words as we were going look at that how cool is that in went woodpecker okay so Randy now you and I are going to talk for a moment so we've done this together right we're sort of removing the supports and now I'm going to read with each one of them okay but I'm going to let Randy do this piece so you can be the first person reading so he's now going to Randy's going to be the person reading and the teacher responding first though in your brain you might have been doing so why would the outside the classroom person be standing in the classroom while the classroom teacher is doing all this now if what I want to do is come back to the context of that classroom whether I'm doing pull out or whether I'm doing a small group over there while Faye's doing a small group over here I need to know about the context of that classroom I need to know what she's modeling and doing with the class so that I can reinforce that I need to be connected to what she's doing so there may be times yes when I feel like I'm standing against the wall while the classroom teacher who owns the classroom because whether your brain knows that part or not Faye was the classroom teacher and she took the leadership I am the support person and my role is to support her now we may have decided in the co-planning that I was going to take the leadership we decided to model but it's her classroom she's going to take the leadership and I'm going to feed in where I would feed into that that's going to vary from day to day and time to time and it might be fifteen minutes today and twenty five minutes tomorrow and forty five minutes the next day because it doesn't have to be every lesson all lessons but I so firmly believe that I cannot be the support person working with kids who are getting additional support if I don't know what's going on in her classroom oh good, that's good sometimes when you say things like that you wonder whether anybody else is going to agree with you in the room so I can go back to now the direct modeling of what we did this night from the point of view of that whole group lesson that we did in went that's got to be what that little picture is now I don't know if that works most or not I bet it's got to be that picture because that's what people do when they write books in went mobs what's the most going to find you think when he goes into that tree it's going to be in there maybe the most better be pretty scary about going in there, I don't know you know like if I was in mobs I don't know if I oh but I bet he's running away from something I bet he's running in there what do you think, what do you think that mobs is doing? see now what I think is that Randy's mom read him a whole bunch of books before he came to school because he's looking at this and he's got story, story, story coming out of this part right so but I'm thinking and I'm going back to my queuing systems meaning, structure, visual cues has he got meaning now did he also get the structure as he went through in went most like that's a really sophisticated structure our kids are most kids that I run into aren't running around saying phrases like in went mouse it doesn't you know come out it very often and he's also done the checking on the visual that was the only part that he really stumbled on because he heard that and his language sense was strong enough that he could hang on to the in went mouse as he was going through now Randy might have done so now I'm going to be the reader and I might have come through and said in gold mouse and so what does Randy notice as the teacher when I read it in gold mouse and then I read the next page in gold owl, in gold woodpecker why am I doing that because that's the way I talk and that's my meaning and so I need to decide as the teacher whether or not it's important enough to correct that because if I'm going back to meaning first then that's my big idea in these early books then I might just say I might say out loud you're right in went mouse because he needs to hear the language before he can read it differently but to stop and have a little mini word lesson on the difference between gold and went is going to make absolutely no difference to the student so it's that timing piece and the three that don't need it that's right and the three that don't need it are waiting while I'm going through in the gold and the message is correct correct correct rather than move forward now the other piece that could have happened here is that it could have been and in went a really tiny little mouse a really tiny little mouse and so Randy might decide as the teacher that I'm at a stage where he could say to me because he's been he's only working with four of us right so he's got lots and lots of time to get very direct he's only given me one thing to work on next he might say wow you totally got the meaning of that and it is a really tiny mouse and he did go into the tree let's put our finger on the words and see how many words were here in went and in your head you're thinking a little tiny because you're wishing the person had written that because they clearly needed to it's a little mouse mouse let's do it together in went mouse so you've got that same structure in your head you're thinking of meaning structure of language visual cues and because it's a one-on-one and you've only got a group of four you can give that individualized piece as they're going through get the picture in there but notice that we're only choosing one thing I'm choosing one maybe two things from my whole group lesson that comes through into my guided reading lesson and then in my guided reading lesson as I'm working one-on-one I'm being really deliberate about what that child needs to move forward and I'm trying to resist the urge to do the same thing just because the four of them are together because it's back to that piece again what you need is different than the person beside you because I'm trying to recognize and honor the piece that you've done and nudge you a tiny bit forward each time as we go through and Randy is remember it's my classroom I've got these kids all day long when he's in there helping me it has to be helpful not the humming radiator how can I help today well if I have to stop and teach you how to help me before we begin I've actually now upped my a number of students in the class which is not all that helpful and they are paying you I want you to have a job and know what to do when you get here so we need to have so he's right that watching piece but he's not watching for half an hour he's participating and he's doing the scan the whole time he's there what because he's going to see things that I will see because I'm running it right now so then he can figure out who to pick up on as he does his next piece it's a dance it's a dance as we're coming through just before we move to the next piece or give you a tiny piece that in went mouse is from a new collection of books at core learning resources has been putting together now does it say yes it says they're called strong readers and uh... terry mac who many of you may know they're all have a first nations basis they're beautiful artist they've just done a lovely job they've got the first ten levels done they'll be out in the seventeenth of september and now they're working on the next group of levels all based on in fact there's even one that stars laura tate and her daughter and there's one that stars laura tate's grandmother and her son which i didn't know i would have done that book instead but i didn't know i had my slides done so you know we're always looking for uh... resources for early readers and this is a beautiful beautiful uh... set of books uh... remember that it's uh... come out to core learning uh... core learning resources this will be on the power point that i read is putting up so it'll be easy to access it's coming through but just a little extra pieces are going okay randy i'm going to let you talk for just a moment about what else it could look like well the groups are going on and i'm going to give us uh... that i think we need to shift to coming to a little bit more of the calvary so one of things that i talked about is that one of the goals of this project is wrapped around collaboration right the resource teacher and the classroom teacher working together and there's nothing worse than feeling like you like you're the extra pair of hands or you're standing there twiddling your thumbs or all those sorts of things that are going on so key in that is having that trust relationship between two people knowing that it's okay to grab the mic out of someone's hand interrupt feedback with one another work together bounce off one another to do all those sorts of things when we develop that kind of relationship we're modeling that for kids from the point of view of how two adults can work together and how they can learn together we're also so significantly increasing our own skills in how we work because if i'm in a classroom watching the classroom teacher participating i'm learning from that classroom teacher around how she works with what works what doesn't work for those kids the same thing is happening for the classroom teacher when i'm the one who's doing that teaching and the more that we can do that the more i'm no longer alone in my profession and i firmly believe that our profession is one of the most lonely professions on the face of the earth because i'm in my room by myself and i don't have to be there's lots of times when i can be with others we align six seven eight year olds do you want to talk a little bit through there and then we'll do the review so one of the i'm going to ignore that for a minute start with one of my key learnings glory will remember this woman in need in deborah many many years ago for those of you that are that singing age will remember that in need it came to our progress many times one of the key things i remember and need to say collaboration is not giving advice because it's not clearly that as that support person outside the classroom person, whomever i might be my role is not to give advice my role is these sorts of things my role is to listen my role is to facilitate my role is to follow that person's lead in my head i may think that that is the worst strategy on the face of the earth and it's never going to work but you know what because the teacher owns it, chances are it will work and if it doesn't work then we can talk about that part but if i start getting into the role of giving advice around that or when i did or i tried that in then no then that doesn't develop trust so how am i working on developing that trust relationship so obviously professional collaboration has to be interactive and ongoing but don't start at the level i want to end on september the sixth i might start on september the sixth as the resource person by saying would you be okay if this year i came into your classroom a couple of times and leave i might start as the classroom teacher by saying i was away for two days in richwood and these people talked about would you be okay about coming into my classroom and helping me mental model the reading process there's lots of ways to begin that process the only thing that stops it is us in taking that step and that risk mutually agreed upon challenges, there's the conversation again and what fey and ian are going to model is a process that you might want to take to build that what are our mutually agreed upon challenges and what are we going to work on for a short time period or a long time period capitalizes on different expertise obviously we all bring different knowledge, different backgrounds, different training from different training institutions, all those sorts of things what a rich professional development opportunity to work with someone else and share that knowledge across and between us obviously the role has become blurb kids no longer know who's who anymore you're just a teacher as that resource person you're not that person who takes those kids who have trouble down the hallway all the time so let me reiterate what fey said where the kids live is in that classroom and i've had too many experiences in my life of being a resource person where they do really well down the hallway in the resource room but what we know from every bit of research that's been done is the kids who struggle don't generalize so they may be able to do it down there and you may be excited to the roots of your souls about how well they're doing with you and then they go back into the classroom and they don't generalize that information back to their classroom no matter how close your work no matter what you do what we do know is that the generalization will happen when it's in the context of the classroom because that's their context that's where they live all day every day so our rationale is by sharing our collective knowledge about our classes students and developing a plan of action based on this we can better meet the needs of all students and that that intervention is focused on classroom based support back into the classroom, part of the classroom where those children


Well, we're pleased to have you here and I guess you could settle everything. Anyway, thank you for your invitation by the Chancellor, as well as a mayor of Berlin, and I'd say you ought to come with the recognition of the participation of the mayor of Berlin, and I think it's very positive to see our German public, the Western part, and what's more informed than to be able to make certain issues with that release. But our people are working on that and I'm very hopeful that we're going to be able to do it. Mr. President, I'd like to convey to you the most important greetings of the film. The economic summit in Versailles and the NATO summit in Bonn will be of decisive importance for the future policy of the Western community. Well, we're looking forward very much to those and we're going to work very hard to ensure that the success of both the economic and the NATO summits, particularly the latter, the NATO meeting, I think is most vital. We demonstrate firm Western resolve and unity. Does it say no until it's here? Successful and encouraging visit by our distinguished Foreign Minister of West Germany, Hans, starting Sunday evening, carried through yesterday, and I've just concluded here's a preparatory to the upcoming summits, the economic conjunction with the NATO summit, which now will probably be expanded to include a visit to West Berlin, distinguished guest in Washington. Now I'll turn it over to Minister Genscher. For the efficiency of the Western agreement was reflected that the question may be permitted. Anything you want to mention, Helen, I would say including the pipeline from the standpoint of our current policies.


All right, so we're right here at the ID Tech X show, and hi, so who are you? Hi, I'm Bruno from UB Solutions from Paris. So what we're doing is an IoT technology based on RFID chips, so it makes it possible to track, for example, linen in hotels or hospitals, but a lot of all different things in the car industry, in the packaging industry, in the logistic industry, so this is really the latest technology we present here. You have the graphic showing all the different stuff you're doing right here. Can you explain what is going on there? Sure. So basically, whenever you have a towel used at the hotel, like here today, this hotel, then this towel is a chip, and this towel, as soon as it is used, is going to leave the hotel, it's going to go into the laundry, it's going to be checked in the laundry, it's going to be transported back to the laundry, and the laundry is going to put this into a pantry and put this into a room, so basically a towel can be tracked 14 to 20 times in a cycle, so it makes it possible to optimize the traffic, the stocks, and to see where the linen disappears. Hi, so who are you? Hi, I'm Isabel, I'm product manager at Ubi Solutions, and I do work for different projects in the international team. So what makes Ubi Solutions special? What is something special you have? Is this something that's unique, that's not in the market? There are some people doing this in the market, what makes us special is it's high complex technology, and we make it simple. So we are very good in integrating everything and all the pieces together, so it's very difficult to make something simple, and that's what makes us special. Is it a back-end solution for RFID tracking, or what is it? We integrate all the different technologies. We have big data, we have cloud analysis, we use mobile technology, we download information through all the different mobile network, IT networks. We build hardware made to measure, so we do a lot of different things in one piece. And right here, this is a video showing, demonstrating also what it's all about, right? Can you explain what's going on in the video? Yeah, this video is specifically for hotels, so there's a lot of movement in hotels, millions and millions and millions of movements from this linen and the system track, all this linen and help hotel management landeries to see where it is and why it disappears and what is broken. I think it's simple. And what is this? This is the graph showing, for example, what is the cost of the land ring for a hotel, per month for a complete group of hotels, and this is here a graph showing the value of the stock, currently at the hotel the value of the stock in the landry and the value of the losses. Stock? Like stock of linen? Of linen, because sometimes the linen is expensive, like they have nice linen. Linen is expensive. Do you want to track it? Obviously, this is representing millions of investment and this is disappearing. And this is also, most of the time, pretty labor intensive to count by hand when it goes, when it comes. And then you can sell the bill to the person who took a pillow or what? You may, if you want to do that. First of all is maybe first understand how many is going away, what is today not clear. So today it's pretty difficult to say for tail or landry is how many is disappearing. And you said you were a product manager, right? Yeah. So what goes into creating this, what's the challenge that you have? The challenge is that we made to measure hardware. So every hotel, every landry is very different. So we need to adapt it to every situation, every location and that's a big, big challenge to have the flow of data in the best possible reading rate. So for example, this is like RFID scanner reader? It's a mobile device. Is this standard on the industry or who's using this? Yeah. This is for hotels nearly mostly because in the landry we use reading devices that read mostly autonomous. This is used especially for stock checking. Sorry. We have an application. It's Android. Yeah, it's Android. Most of these kinds of devices use Android? Yeah, it's everything Android. Yeah. What we use today is everything is Android. And this is especially for hotels. They can receive their linen in the hotel what is sent from the landry. They can read it into their linen rooms so that they know exactly what they have in each pantry and each level of the hotel. So they know where is their linen so they don't have to look for it. And they can send the linen back to the landry so they know what leaves the hotel so we can track in the system which linen is still in the hotel which has been gone back to the landry and then we know the exact stock level in the hotel. And so what does it mean? You have to integrate with their different back ends that they have database systems or what is the big challenge here? We can. We don't have to. We can. So we do that too. So the system is totally autonomous but we can integrate with whatever other system with the ERP system of the landry with the reservation system of the hotel in other sectors like automotive sectors we do integrate with all the ERPs the SAPs and the Microsoft dynamics of this world tracking the flow of goods coming in coming out and giving the information to the back end. And you're already all set up in the cloud so everything is scalable and smooth and everything? Absolutely. Can you explain the company? How old is the company? The company is 10 years old. So we are growing now pretty fast. We are 50 people. We are based in Paris. We open up offices in Poland and in Spain and we do have installations in over 25 countries from China to Mexico going through all Europe. Installations, like customers. And we are really in this market. We are innovative. We are able to control all those technologies and to make something workable for the customer and this is the key and this is the difficulty. And just not just hotels. All kinds of other stuff. All kind of industries. Car industry. What does it do with the car? They track all the pieces coming in and coming out of the factories. It is very important because the cars are done in real time. So the suppliers of the car manufacturers need to understand what comes in and what comes out. So this is being tracked currently. Customers like Forrest, we work with PSA. We track, for example, all the second-hand cars worked within PSA, the Peugeot Group. We work for the Bombardier, for the train manufacturers. We work for the distribution, for Leclerc, for Carrefour, for the companies in distribution. We even work to track food. To track the food. So whenever you buy a chicken with our technology where does it come from, where is it born? Who has been the farmer, when it has been killed and if everything was in order. So you can track everything. Do you use AI also? Or is it just RFIDs and the database? We start implementing AI in predictive analysis and big data analysis. So if a customer comes over and asks for something what's the challenge, what's the steps? What happens then? You just start integrating? Yeah. Basically, we have standardized application obviously. On some sectors we are deploying a lot of applications. So it takes really to sit down with the customer probably one to two days, specify with him exactly the process and then understand the application, we deploy physically, we install the materials. So we have to count one day per hotel for example if we take an hotel and for the software we need probably a couple of days to finish the application and integrate.


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The purpose is to produce high-quality finished genomes at approximately current costs in the next three years, about 25 to 50 human, and select human non-primate genomes. And I'll talk about quality in a few slides. Also we would expect grantees over time to develop more specific definition of what high-quality finished genome is and to use state-of-the-art methods to maximize quantity and quality. And whenever NHGRI says use state-of-the-art methods, what we mean is we want them to push the state-of-the-art without actually becoming long-term technology development centers. So why? For human, the reference is good but can be made better. There are still gaps, not a lot of them, but there are still gaps. There is incomplete representation of structural variation. We need to move from a mosaic representation to one that represents haplotypes faithfully. And we all know that we can better represent world populations in the reference. When this came up at the workshop, it was considered of such high priority that we should consider moving ahead, even though costs are currently somewhat high individually for these. For non-human primates, primate genomes are key to understanding fundamental questions about human genome evolution. But the existing, almost all the existing primate references are not really reference quality. They're not finished. They could be better. So what is high-quality? Well, certainly well beyond the current short-read-only methods. It's possible to state quality in absolute terms. You can ask for end-to-end contiguity, for example, fully haplotype resolved. You can ask for zero gaps. Out of that, you could have specific lists of known difficult regions and ask that they be 100% resolved. It's also possible to state high quality in terms of the gain in biomedical utility with reference to the uses of the human reference sequence, for example. Practical issues need to be considered because there is a moving state of the art. Whatever language we propose, we have in the FOA, we'll need to ask applicants to consider all of these things because we don't... They all actually do have to be considered in any definition of what's high quality. And we have to give some leeway to encourage creative proposals. There is some relationship to other activities. The NHGRI Genome Reference Consortium Award already funds among its activities, production of five to seven very high-quality human genomes. Some of those are expected to be essentially end-to-end contiguous, so there will be some regions that won't be resolved. And any further effort will need to coordinate with that, not just in terms of production, but in terms of integration into references. There is no overlap for the primary genome part of this. We are certain to need some community input regarding the selection of samples in both cases. We propose this as a cooperative agreement mechanism for a resource, and we think this will require about $2 million a year for three years, and we would expect to make one possibly two awards. And I have to say that this amount of funds, again, comes from our best information at the time of the July meeting of what a current very high-quality reference genome, haplotype resolved, would cost $200,000 to $250,000. But again, I have spoken to people since then who think it can be done for substantially less, and I hope it can be. So I'm going to stop there, and once again go around to the folks who I asked to take a look at this in advance. Lawn, do you want to start? In this case, you wouldn't limit the call to groups that aren't funded under the consortium already? No, this is independent, and this would expressly not be... We would not attempt to make this highly coordinated with the core GSP. I think it's just too much. It needs to be an independent effort. In the past, actually in the distant past, we had these together, kinds of functions together in the same kind of grant, and actually this kind of activity, the high-quality genome activity, needs its own focus to such an extent that I think having it be part or associated with something bigger, it has to be a separate grant. Having it too associated with something more wide-ranging will detract from it. But I don't think that having a grant from the same institution that also has one of the larger grants is a particular bar. It's a very highly specialized expertise. I don't have a whole lot to add to that. I think the questions on this were overlap with other programs which you touched upon, the costs, and in the overall climate of the funding environment, you go one or two. It was less of a scientific case, I think. Anyone on the phone? Oh, sorry. Carol. It's okay. Yeah. What about annotation of the genome assemblies? Is that out of scope for this, or would that be considered in scope? And then reagents to actually then leverage the genome assemblies to do more experimental work. Is all of that out of scope? So what do you have in mind for annotation? Well, you could do computational gene predictions using all the available stuff you have, or you could create CDNA libraries to get better gene models using transcripts or RNA-seq or something. There's a lot of additional data that you could generate that would really improve the quality annotations of these genomes and make them far more useful, but not for this amount of money. Yeah. So I think that goes, in fact, that goes beyond the way I was thinking about it. But what you said made me think not just about the utility, but also it's possible that you could do some quality checking that way. It's possible. And maybe insofar as it was quality assessment, yes, but not annotation. This is really a pretty vanilla production effort. Carlos. So it's being done as a contract, right? No. No, it's not being done. It's a cooperative agreement. Cooperative agreement. For a research resource. I see. So does that mean that, for example, a company that's got an innovative technology solution to do the sequencing, couldn't fit or they could? Yeah, they could. They could. Okay. So we're basically sort of putting out this RFA at $2 million a year to buy 50 high-quality genomes. But there is more to it than that, right? If someone says, I can do it now for whatever per, that might not be as interesting as an application that said, you know, these are the critical factors in getting this feature of high quality. And it is, in my hands, it's more efficient because I'm going to use this combination of techniques. Yeah. I'm not wedded to any particular method, for example, and I'm going to try these. There should be some leeway for that. I see. I see. But at the end of the day, because it's not as tightly integrated with the rest of the program, right, if an applicant or a group were to come in and say, okay, we could deliver 100 high-quality genomes at this price and here's what we're going to do. And, you know, then that's what we're sort of looking for. That's what we're looking for. And of course, they should have some well-thought-out plans for how they're going to pick the individuals with populations they're going to come from with reference to the existing reference and lack of representation or lack of utility or improving utility along a number of different dimensions. I mean, it goes without saying that the diversity component here is going to be really, really critical, right? Particularly if you want to have a bunch of the HLA alleles in those complex regions. Yes. Carol. So you mentioned the GRC. So is it anticipated that they would take stewardship of these genome assemblies? Are they going to be properly resourced to do that task? Because what they're doing now is extraordinarily important to the existing reference sequences. Yes. What they're doing now is extraordinarily important, I agree. There will have to be an interface because if these are good quality, I can't imagine that the GRC will not want to use them. So I can also imagine that there's some boundaries that this may go across for the way the GRC operates right now, so I have to be dealt with. Yeah. So that would be a separate, but again, that would be a separate resourced activity if they don't have the sufficient resources to take these on. Yeah. There wouldn't be additional resources. We'd have to figure out a way within the amount of money we have to get this done if it becomes very important. Yes. I was going to say, I think this is a terrific initiative and it's right on target. Small investment for a big payoff. Val or David, any comments? It's a good initiative. I think it's a good initiative as well. Just to clarify, all these genomes would be independently assembled. Is that correct? I'm sorry, Val. I don't know. I think this is up to the applicant to propose what the best way is. Of what the assembly would be? Yes. If joint assembly improves the quality, then it should be joint assembly, right? Whatever the best possible reference that can be produced. With evidence that you've produced inaccurate. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all part of their application. Yeah. I think this is really, really critically important, right? Everybody bemoans the fact that we don't have enough really good high-quality genomes. The other sort of group that would be good to bring in is the sort of genome in a volatile consortium who's been thinking a lot about these issues. I think there's a lot of complementarity between what's being funded here and what they want to do. I think we're ready to vote. Can I have a motion to approve? In a second. All in favor? Any opposed? Any abstentions? Thank you. All right, Adam, last one. And again, we will not be voting on this one.


Question is from Andrew Beth, if on a budget, what are some of the higher quality protein sources you recommend buying? I put this question in here because I get asked it a lot, yeah, but be careful with that statement.  The biggest difference in price when you go look at a, a jug of protein that's being sold for maybe $24 versus one that's being sold for 50 or 70, it's the amount of protein per serving that's in there. That's the biggest difference. The margins with supplement companies, there isn't really this like massive difference where like, oh, this company is just way cheaper and it's great quality than this company. It's like the discrepancy in the $20 to $50 or $70 bottles, like why are they so different but they're shaped about the same size is when you flip the label around and you actually measure out how many grams of protein and how many servings you're actually getting, that's the biggest difference. The difference between a protein powder that is claiming that it's extremely cheap, a lot of the times what they're doing is they're, they have 14 grams of protein in their serving. So of course it's cheaper. The most expensive part of the protein powder is the protein. So you got to be careful of that. Then you have other companies that aren't paying for third party testing, which is expensive to do. So that's why they have to normally pay for or charge a little more for it. So if you go for the cheapest protein all the time, you got to be careful that you're not getting somebody who's won just making it look like it's a great deal, but when you actually measure out all the grams of protein per serving, it's really not. And then in addition to that, they're also not third party tested. And so they don't have to spend that money on it. So I caution people that are just trying to save, you know, five bucks on a protein powder because of this. You look at it per serving. It's not that big of a difference. Yeah. And then they've had in the past companies that have done what's called amino acid spiking. So what they'll do is they'll, so proteins are made up of chains of amino acids. And one way, and I'm going to simplify this a little more complicated, but a company will get tested on their grams of protein by testing certain amino acids. And then because there's so much of, you know, leucine or whatever, they can estimate, oh, this is how many grams of protein. So what some companies did is instead of having 30 grams of protein, they had 30 grams of a particular amino acid that would show up. So then they'd get tested. It would get verified. They had much that much protein. But then when other testing came out, they got even more specific in detail. They found, uh-oh, there's half as much protein, as they said. Now I'm going to go the whole food route. So the whole food route, what foods can you get? That'll give you, you know, good protein at good prices. You can actually do pretty well with this. Tuna fish is a very inexpensive source of protein. You can buy chicken breasts and chicken thighs and bulk, really, really good prices, where you're having, you know, a couple of dollars a serving of 30 grams of protein if you buy bags of, you know, bulk of chicken breasts and chicken thighs. Here's another great, great source of protein that's really, really good, well priced. Grobes and crickets. Yeah, go outside. Nobody will do it, but it's a really high source of protein. Look into it. It is, but if you don't want to eat bugs, if you can tolerate dairy, cottage cheese. Cottage cheese is cheap, high protein source.  You could go the lower non-fat route if you want to go low calories. This was a staple when I was growing up trying to increase my protein intake, increase my calories. I would go to the store. I'd buy a big jug of cottage cheese and, you know, I'd have 100 grams of protein for the whole day and it wouldn't cost me more than six bucks or something like that. So you can get real, you can get inexpensive with all kinds of food if you're smart. Now here's where it gets expensive, eating out. If you're trying to get 30 to 40 grams of protein in a serving and you're eating at Chipotle or the burger place or wherever, yeah, you're going to be spending 1000 bucks or more a month on getting that kind of stuff.  Oh my gosh, man, it's really inexpensive. You could do really well. And to that point, if you're cooking your food, that is by far the best advice. If you're looking for something fast and you're either eating out or you're having a protein shake, your protein shake is going to be way cheaper when you measure out what it is. Still, yeah, it's still cheaper. Yeah, if you were to, like to your point, Sal, if you go to your favorite restaurant and you get a, you know, 40 gram of protein meal, which is normally steak or a chicken type of thing. Minimum eight bucks. Yeah, minimum. Most likely you're paying like 15 to 25 bucks or what about that? I mean, the shake per serving, you're probably breaking it down to like two dollars. Yeah, a couple bucks. Yeah. So you're still, when you're talking about getting proteins expensive, no matter where you get it, right? Like, and unless you get it in bulk, like you're saying and you're just buying chicken thigh, and I love this, I love to recommend chicken thighs. Like, I wish somebody would have turned me on to that.   So that's a great piece of advice, but be careful on trying to save, you know, 10 dollars, like if there's a difference between a bottle that is like literally 10, $20, $30 difference, it's not the brand. It's like what they're getting, like turn the label around and actually count out how many servings are in it and how many grams of protein per serving, and most likely the difference of that $20 more expensive bottle, that's the main reason. The second main reason is because they probably do third party testing, and then the other company doesn't. So for fish, you know, it's relatively inexpensive tilapia, you can buy tilapia also.  That's the biggest piece of advice that I have. Even with steak, or excuse me, red meat. Get yourself a George Foreman grill. Oh, dude, that was the key. Life saver. That was, yeah, same thing. Oh, ground beef.  It's always on sale, too. Totally, totally.