So I'm Chris, I also work on the Istio project. Successful, this will really be a matter of, do I open up more GitHub issues? That would be successful. Understanding workloads that people are trying to use Istio with and whether they are not working or are working well. So it's not so much Shannon and I talking, it's really encouraging everyone else to talk to some degree. I also have a etherpad setup at that link right there, IBM.biz, forward slash Istio BOF. If you have questions that you don't want to say out loud, you could type them in there and then I will notice that that's happening and answer the questions that way. So at the end of this, I hope to have more GitHub issues to open or just use cases that aren't working for you. And I plan to publish a blog post to kind of summarize whatever we discuss here. And if we don't get any questions, we can either have a nap or we can try to make up some questions. So if anyone wants to start with something, maybe a litmus test, who has never heard of Istio at all? If you want to raise your hand, you have not another person. Okay. So a quick overview of Istio. There's a few talks Shannon and Aaron gave a talk earlier. Essentially what Istio is trying to do is it's pushing a lot of the application things that you want to tweak out of libraries like Fnagle or the Netflix OSS stack into a centralized proxy that lives alongside of your application. So if you're trying to retry a request from your application to another application, you can figure some YAML or you type out YAML set requests and then that'll get sent to the proxy and the proxy will act on your behalf to retry those things. That's just one feature. Another one is being able to have like a central point whereby you're trying to test a certain feature out. You only want to expose it to certain users. So you're looking at a rule that is set for someone named Bob. And whenever Bob's request come in, he's kind of launched a new version of your application and he gets to play with that version of application while everyone else goes through first part. No problems. Yeah. So one thing that's come up in several of the discussions has been around how do I get started contributing this? Because sometimes people come in with a given feature that they like, given feature that they like, and they start out either with a poor request upfront or they'll open up an issue with kind of just a general how they want to go about it, but it gets too detailed and either it doesn't get looked at or someone will literally say this is too detailed and I just have a design proposal. So the common way, I know Shannon's been working on is starting with the GitHub issue, put a few details in there of something that you think might be broken, a change set that you would like, or just general questions about the use of this. Place that in the GitHub request and then expand it by creating a Google Doc or some other sort of shared collaboration tool to edit your design proposal and cross link that into the GitHub issue so that you provide a lot more context and get up issues can sort of get a little difficult to follow thread-wise. So something like a Google Doc will allow you to comment on the side and close things out. And then once kind of the general design is approved, we start working on it in the GitHub issue and then you can start with your PRs. And the PRs should ideally be small, just general small open source types of things. There's a limited set of reviewers actually on Istio, which it's always trying to grow, but that just ends up being the case. Like some people have a general overview of one component and we're slowly working to get people looking at that. But just immediately going with the pull requests probably just not gonna get the attention that you're really gonna want on it until you explain more reasoning behind the pull request. For those here other than IBM, are you willing and able or interested in contributing to Istio? Troy, I'm gonna give the mic to you. I don't actually completely know the complete problem space that Istio is supposed to solve. I just know from talking to Nino that it's on its way to replacing go router in Cloud Foundry or part of Envoy and Istio are replacing the routing layer in Cloud Foundry. And for me, I'm interested in knowing if that same service mesh and routing layer can be used to serve applications running in Cloud Foundry and applications running in Kubernetes or whether you wanna have that deployed separately. So that was one of the things I had and I wouldn't mind an overview if you have one you can share with us what the actual problem set that Istio is supposed to solve. Do you wanna take any of those or shall I? You can start with like the Cloud Foundry hybrid thing. Sure. So we're definitely thinking about use cases for interoperability between workloads on Cloud Foundry and Kubernetes clusters. And we imagine Istio playing a role in facilitating those use cases, both application connectivity and security policies. The three primary value ads of Istio as I understand it are security, traffic management and observability. So the ability to apply security policies across all the services in the mesh, whether those are apps on Cloud Foundry or services in Kubernetes or some data store that runs somewhere else. If it's got a proxy in front of it then it can be made part of the mesh. The same applies for traffic management and observability because Envoy was or has been built from the ground up to provide this observability data plane. It emits a tremendous amount of metrics and as a result can give various personas a view of the traffic in the mesh and a number of errors and a number of successes and as well as the security policy. What are your... What have you found so far in starting to integrate this with CFAR? Is it in a smooth thing or is it a... Are you anticipating big performance improvements? I keep hearing murmurs that that might be a thing too. Besides just expanded functionality do you expect other benefits? Yeah, I'm gonna hand it to Aaron because he gave a talk earlier about our experience working with the Istio community but in terms of performance we expect to see data plane improvements because Envoy's more performant than Go Router written in C++. Do you wanna tell Troy a bit about our experience collaborating with the Istio community? Sure, so I guess quick disclaimer we haven't necessarily been measuring performance as much from like a latency or throughput metric but we do expect that performance will become a focus if we ever do notice there to be issues or it doesn't live up to like Go Router's metrics. I know that the community itself does have some metrics that they've posted. I don't know necessarily what they are off the top of my head but if you were to probably dive through some of the either the email list or the like performance working group you might be able to get some of those numbers but we expect for the most part that it'll be comparable. Yeah, I think in your session before you had mentioned that at least the community version they're testing with about 10K containers at the moment. I was just looking around for Surya from the performance working group he was just here. Yeah, he was in the back and then he must have left early to get some beer. But there is a dedicated working group within Istio focused on performance and scaling and they have a call you can join every week and they publish results and it's a collaboration with multiple companies who are building out the testing framework and adding things that they measure and identifying bottlenecks and prioritizing improvements. Yeah, and then performance on that side as well. One of the reasons why Envoy itself a component of Istio doesn't publish its performance metrics is because one, the performance isn't their first target audience. And two, when you start to use a lot of the advanced traffic shaping and network features of Istio, in some cases it's not comparable to compare what you had before performance wise versus what you have now because it might be faster in other ways, if you will. And that could be such that maybe before you were able to get a steady throughput at x-rates.  So part of the features of Envoy is being able to steer away from bad problems to keep that constant SLA. So you can just measure like happy case both ways and get some performance things out of that. But some of the advanced features are really some of the things that could improve the performance in other ways if that makes sense. I thought you also had a question around how is your experience working with the integration with Istio and Cloud Foundry other than just performance. Did you want to know about the current state of the integration? Yeah, sure. So you may be aware that, well, six, eight months ago it seems like we put an Envoy sidecar in every container. And that's serving a limited but powerful use case at the moment. It's statically configured and leveraging the instance credentials generated by Diego to terminate TLS for ingress requests from Go Router. So the Go Router to container data is encrypted in flight and actually that was a secondary benefit. The reason that we did that work primarily was so that Go Router uses the identity in the certificate to guarantee that it's making a request to the right backend, which gives us consistency in the face of control plane failure where the routing table may be out of date. Erin, you want to talk about our collaboration? Sorry, did we address that already? All right. Who else is curious about Istio? Anyone currently working on applications that are not web-based? Non-HDP protocols? Please. So obviously TCP routing in Cloud Foundry is a kind of no prejudicial remark here. This is just, it seems a kind of an afterthought and maybe it's our implementation, but it's an awkward thing to use what kind of things can we do with the new framework. Again, I'm coming from the CFAR perspective but also for Kubernetes. What kind of things will that improve with just basic TCP connections or odd protocol or different protocols? Could you tell us more about how TCP routing in Cloud Foundry is currently awkward? It has to do with our implementation. So we are running this in a containerized environment. And because of some limitations in Helm and how the way we deploy it, we have to actually pre-provision the number of ports we want to have open for TCP routing. We would like that to be a little more flexible. I'm already over my head with that question, so. Do you mean like a range of ports? Like this can listen on a range of ports? Yeah, so we have to actually specify a range of ports that will be open for TCP routing. It would be nice if that were dynamically configured or if there was just more flexibility to expose, magically expose applications on whatever protocol they happen to need. So the challenge with non-HTB protocols is that in many cases, especially when the client doesn't support SNI, you can't make a host-based routing decision. So the routing decision needs to be based on a port and the platform routers, whatever they are, Go Router or TCP Router, are for horizontal scalability, very likely not internet-facing.  So without provisioning load balancers for each route, which I would love to do, but isn't possible on some infrastructures, where for example, your F5 is your infrastructure load balancer, I don't know of another way around provisioning some opening some range of ports on the load balancer. I'm kind of familiar with that because this has come up actually in Kubernetes as often as well, like you can't specify a range of ports. For example, if you, I've seen this most often in the telco space where you are operating, it's sort of a gateway, whereby everything can potentially route to like one instance, just because you have multiple things mapped to that thing. But it's not so much that each individual, like it only elicits on a few, it could listen on a huge range, just because that's what you were given as a provider of this. So instead of saying I need writing a thousand of lines of YAML to say each of the individual ports that need opened, you want to have that range. That was something that is not currently in the Kubernetes API, which while Istio doesn't have a hard line as far as obviously it's working with Cloud Foundry, so we are operating on multiple platforms, but the API is still based on the Kubernetes API. So if that doesn't exist in there, then we kind of have to extend it ourselves. So part of the issue was it needs to kind of get fixed in the Kubernetes API first before that works. I've also heard cases of where containers operating on a huge range of ports like that has had problems in the Docker ecosystem as well. Chris, would that still require, even if there was support for the range of ports as you described in Kubernetes and then as a result in Istio, when taking advantage of that require that the nodes in Kubernetes were exposed to directly exposed to clients, assuming you have a load balancing tier in front, then those ports still would need to be opened on the load balancer, and that's the primary challenge that we deal with, is how do you open the range of ports on the load balancer in on GCP or AWS or Azure or some other public cloud? You could theoretically provision a load balancer for each service, so they have the full range of ports. That would be ideal, but in on-prem infrastructures where I dare to say the majority of Cloud Foundry operators are running their platforms. That's not an option. Unless they're using an SDN, you could dynamically provision load balancers on NSX, for example. But if you wanna cover all use cases with a single solution, then you have to open that range of ports on a load balancer. Right. So just in the Kubernetes space, there are a few on-prem bare metal deployment implementations that do exist that feasibly could just offer this if there was a way to map that back into the Kubernetes infrastructure. So it feels like there's multiple things at play just for this one seemingly simple thing. Just give me an array. Don't give me a string. What's so hard? For that, I mean, if you're really interested in the status of that, I can point you to some GitHub issues to follow. Unfortunately, I'm not sure at the moment because I mean, Shannon's still right on the cloud provider front. Like if you are using a hosted thing, now every Kubernetes or Cloud Foundry hosts that offer some sort of cloud specific load balancer is gonna also need to support that. So you'll just general agreeance on things from all the cloud provider perspectives as well. What else you got, Troy? Anybody working with any IoT sorts of applications? Would any of you like to be able to run workloads on Cloud Foundry that require UDP protocols? Yes, please. What are you using UDP for? For anything, customers. So I'm not using it for anything.  A Minecraft server, I don't know. I often don't get the level of detail of, you know, this is a particular kind of application, but it's just a checklist item. It's like, we need UDP routing. You might know we had a UDP router in an older version of a Cloud Foundry that I worked on in a previous life. And yeah, that was a popular tick box with customers who were running a variety of applications, so. Excellent. Anyone else? So other than yourself as a provider, is anyone else, everyone else is mostly working with web-based services? Any gaming platforms or high-frequency trading platforms? Anyone operating those types of environments? Everyone's using web? Anyone using HTTP2 at the moment? Or is it developers clamoring for it? Yeah, IPv6 is always a good one too. This question is not all related to what you asked, so I'm from the Renault Nissan Mitsubishi Alliance, but we're not using for the IoT, so we have connected applications that are deployed on the Cloud Foundry. And right now we are actually investigating Kong, which you might have known as the API gateway. So the problems that we face is like, we need to rate limit the APIs. And right now there are some problems with the limitations of the Azure load balancer, which can be solved by the API gateway. So these are the two limitations that I actually see. So the question is, is it your overkill, or is Kong better? Sure. I have not personally used Kong, so I can't speak to it, but I can tell you that the exact use case is the reason that the weather company, which is kind of under IBM, but they were looking, they were using AWS at the time, being prior to being acquired by IBM, and they noticed the same issue with the AWS load balancer. They couldn't figure out how to retry or throttle requests. It was either all or nothing. So what they are currently using in production for a few of their services, they did that by just using an Istio gateway, similar to gateway, just being the overloaded term we seem to be using for some sort of an edge load balancer. But what they're able to see is, they have like a nice little graph in that kind of draws where all their traffic is going. I think they're using a Netflix open source product called VisRoll to view this. But during times of like a hurricane or whatnot, any number of reasons why everyone would be looking at weather.com, things would just fall over because they were spilling out and maybe round robinning to all of the nodes or else just generally that one was busy, but it kept being sent to it. So they have since moved to Envoy and they're seeing much better performance because they're able to choose the type of load balancing that's specific to that service. So for example, if you've ever had an issue with your service and people are calling your service or depending on it and they think that their requests aren't going in, they're gonna try again immediately, which if your service is under stress, definitely doesn't help. It's the thundering herd problem. What you wanna do is try to back off intelligently. So they're using that sort of functionality through Istio by stating, I know that the service can handle this much if I cross this threshold, open the circuit breaker and start routing to either healthy residences or start serving codes back until the service recovers. So you can customize per all of those applications that you have nested under there, different retries for each of them, different load balancing schemes. Maybe you have an application where round robin doesn't make sense because some queries could be very expensive with the difference between loading all of the entries in the database versus just one that's a different expense level depending on how long it takes to come back. So if you're round robin around of course and it's just your turn again, you're hitting this expensive query, you're immediately gonna get blocked down. So they did exactly that with their weather service and they've been having pretty good success for it with it and that's the only part actually that they have migrated so far to Istio they're working on kind of everything under that but their edge load balancer that they were using AWS for is working well as well as they're capturing a lot more metrics out of that than what they were able to gather from whatever currently AWS is using. This reminds me of a opinion I've been developing and given the capabilities, this goes back to Troy your question about what problems does Istio solve. Given the problems that it does solve and the capabilities of Istio, it looks really like an API gateway to me, a distributed API gateway. It's pluggable and even API gateway providers are developing a strategy to become engines or policy engines enforced by Istio and applied by the envoys. So when I talk to customers who say, well, I've got this strategy with API gateway provider X, Y, or Z. How does Istio fit in? There's a story there, but over time that story might become, well, Istio is your API gateway and you can bring your policy engine or many of them. So in the time check, we'll probably have a couple of minutes or I don't think there's any sessions after us. Does anyone have any other further things that they just like to talk about? In my mind, this has been successful because we learned a bit about, I wrote a few things down just generally in that Etherpad. If you have more questions throughout the week, that Etherpad will still be up. Just make sure you're following the conference code of conduct and not trying to mess with it in any sort of negative way. But it's still clear that Istio, many people still wondering on what's going to do for them. Contributing was one that I heard earlier. I didn't hear it here. As well as the API gateway, maybe that is something that we need to be talking more about. Is it a competitor or is it an API gateway if you want to think about that? Shandon, any other polls? I think it's a beer time. Okay. Well, thank you everyone for coming. Like I said, that link, IBM.biz will be up.


Hello. Welcome to this Q&A webinar on the North East Cambridge Area Action Plan. My name is Terry De Sousa, and I'm a Principal Planning Policy Officer at the Greater Cambridge Shared Planning Service. Today we have a Q&A session on business skills and training, and it's one of eight Q&A sessions that we're running during the 10-week public consultation on the North East Cambridge Area Action Plan. We are very pleased today to have two other people join me. We have a colleague who's been working on the plan and also somebody from the Council's Economic Development Team, and I'll introduce those, both of them to you in a moment. This Q&A session is intended to be an hour long. It will start up with some introductions and some housekeeping about how it will run, and then we'll have a short presentation on what the Area Action Plan is, and how you can get involved in the consultation, and also give you some idea of what we're proposing in terms of business skills and training specifically for this area. Because of the way that the Q&A sessions have run, they're all themed into different topics, so this one is on jobs, essentially, and skills and training, and we really hope that the questions that come forward are specific to this topic area. Towards the end of the session, we will list all of the other webinars that are coming up, and they are also themed, and then there's one final one just a couple of weeks before the consultation closes, which is a more of a general Q&A where it is open to a range of different topics and discussion points. So, no further ado, I will pass over to my two colleagues that are joining me today. So first over to Matt. Hi everyone, I'm Matt Patterson. I'm one of the project leads on developing the Area Action Plan for the Shared Planning Service. Thank you, and Joanna. Hi, I'm Joanna Davis. I'm Economic Development Officer. Thank you. So my colleague Matthew is just going to run through the presentation in a moment. It's relatively short and hopefully gives enough time to answer any questions that come forward. In terms of housekeeping, just to let you know that once the presentation is over, you'll be able to ask questions. So at the bottom of your screen, you should have a Q&A button. So if you click that and then type in your question, we will then be able to pick those up. There isn't a chat function on the Q&A, so it is essentially you ask a question and then we will do our best to respond to those. If we do run out of time, then what we did in the previous session was that we recorded those questions, we took them away and then we posted a written response to those questions on the website. So on the website after this, you'll have a video of the recording and you will also have a written response to any questions that we weren't able to pick up in the time. Just so everybody knows that all of the attendees are invisible, nobody can see you, and that you can post questions anonymously. So you're absolutely free to do that. You can also use your name to post it, but we won't be reading out any names as we're answering the questions. Okay, so I'm now going to pass over to Matt who's going to run through the presentation. Thank you Matt. Thanks, Gary. Right. So today's presentation is just on business skills and training, but before that we'll just give you some background to the North East Cambridge Air Action Plan. Next slide. So to provide some context, it's a very large site on the edge of the city and it's all brownfield land. It has really good transport accessibility. It has Cambridge North Station, the guided busway, Chisholm Trail. And the area will benefit from further improvements that are planned, including the Ely to Cambridge Mass Transit. We've got the greenways coming down from Water Beach and also the Cambridge Autonomous Metro is planned for here as well. It's only a 15 minute cycle ride from the city centre, so very accessible. We have a range of landowners, so unlike some of the other major developments across Greater Cambridgeshire, here we have a number of landowners and therefore we need a plan that brings all those landowners together and ensures development across the whole area is coordinated, works together and fits together as well and delivers on the aspirations that we share for the place. The area has a long history of employment use, in particular the science park and business parks that have added to what is known as the Cambridge Phenomena. We want to see that continue, but we also want to see the area developed further, more integrated as well, becoming more of a part of the city. But it is significantly still strategically important to the wider economy of the area. And we'd like that economy to have further flow on benefits really to those in the local surrounding communities. Next slide. So what's an area action plan? Well essentially it's a framework that we'll put together to help guide development in the area. It sets out what our aspirations for the place are and we hope that as development comes forward it delivers upon those aspirations. So it sets out clear policy expectations, objectives that we want to see delivered and obviously the vision for the long term vision for the place. An area action plan has the same status as the local plan, it goes through exactly the same process subject to an examination in public as well. And it's supported by a raft of evidence based documents that have been prepared to support the plan. Next slide. So what's our vision for North East Cambridge? Well we want the place to be an inclusive walkable low carbon and new city district with a really lively mix of homes, workplaces, services, social spaces all fully integrated with the surrounding neighborhoods. That's our vision. So these are just some of the headline figures. On your screen you'll see what we currently have on site which is about 15,000 jobs on those science and business parks. We only have three homes currently and mostly we have a lot of unused car parking space as well. But in the future we want to see about 8,000 new homes delivered in the area, 40% of which is our target for affordable housing as well. We can, through intensification of some of the employment uses and employment and some of the housing sites as well, we can see the creation of around about 20,000 jobs. We realize that the area needs to provide for public open space as well so we're providing at least 10 hectares in strategic open space as well as other spaces that come for. And there's a raft of other social and community facilities that will be required in the area to support that new development including primary schools and library. And like we said, improved connections, walking and cycling connections in particular. And we want the place not just to be about the tech industry and R&D and business but it's about a place for everyone. We also are recognizing that industrial land plays a really important part in what is a sustainable economy for the local area. So we want to retain that industrial land within the area as well. But we want to also bridge the gap between industrial land and the R&D sector by providing a much more broad range of businesses creating jobs for a lot of local people. And to support that as well through the construction and post construction phases, we're looking at training skills and investment to ensure that local residents in particular have that opportunity to access those local jobs that will be created on the site. And as I said, we're looking to provide at least 40% of the housing as affordable housing and then a mix of housing across the board as well. But that affordable housing can meet a wide range of different social housing needs. So the key aspects of the proposed business policies is a significant amount of new floor space to be added in. And like I said, this is to be a mixture of different types of floor space. We're talking about intensification on the existing science and business parts. But beyond that, we're talking about providing a much broader range of different types of employment floor space for start-up businesses, small to medium enterprises and more affordable floor space as well. And we hope that that will then ensure that those smaller businesses have access as well to the likes of what's going on on the business and science part too. We've got some maps that show exactly where those new employment floor spaces are to be provided. We've also got maps that show where the industrial floor space can be provided as well within the area if it can't be provided on the existing sites that it's currently on. And we have what's called a trip budget that applies to the area, which ensures that we don't get any net increase in traffic as a result of all the development we're putting in. So that trip budget also applies to any commercial development that's put into all the employment floor space has to comply with that trip budget. Like I said, there's lots of local employment and training opportunities that we will make available through the AAP process to ensure that local people can access those job opportunities as they arise. And lastly, we're looking at obviously digital infrastructure is really important and ensuring the place is well connected in terms of people's ability to access data and other things. So this is a slide that shows essentially where the businesses will be created. Essentially, you're looking at intensification within the science park. So that's the additional floor space there, but also a diversification to ensure that there's amenities for those workers as well and local services. So you're talking about shops and you're also talking about leisure provision to within these areas. Likewise on St John's, which is just to the sort of north in the corner by the A14. Again, that's an existing business site and you're looking at further intensification of that, but also again further amenities to meet the needs of people that work there and live locally. The other site current business park is sort of in the main body part there. So again, you're looking at a range of different types of uses with business forming part of that kind of overall mix. And then down on Nufffield, where we've come and got industrial land, some reprovision of that if possible on site and where it doesn't add to local transport risks or issues or relocation of that as well elsewhere within the scheme. To ensure that the area is truly a walkable, sustainable district, we are proposing for new kind of centres of activity. The main one is a district centre that sits on the main spine road, if you like, that runs between Cambridge North Station and the Cambridge Regional College. The district centre itself is to be located sort of at a point midway between Cambridge North Station and Milton Road and will serve as a focal point for people travelling through the area. We also have smaller retail and centres of activity, obviously one located around the station to serve those that are using that area, which will be a key transport interchange. One further towards the top of Cowley Road near the business park, again ensuring that everyone within the surrounding area has really good access to local shops and provision. And one further down towards Cambridge Regional College between the Regional College and the Science Park that will serve both those sites, but also the area surrounding in terms of King's Hedges, which has lack of provision currently. And what we're aiming for is a range of different types of shopping units, but mostly smaller units that meet local needs and can provide for a greater number of independent traders as well. In terms of land use, this map shows the detail, if you like, of where we proposed the different land uses to go. You'll see at the very northern part of the site, if you like, or areas still Cambridge Regional College remains there beside that is the small district or local centres, if you like, that we're proposing to serve those. The Science Park remains relatively in its current form, but more intensified in terms of its current use. And as I said, with some diversification in terms of providing greater amenities for workers and local residents too. As you come across Milton Road, you've got St John's to the North game, which is primarily a current business parking and subjects through the plan to intensification with some retail provision there as well. And then the bulk of the area is a very mixed use area, if you like. That includes both business space along the main road, the main spine that we talked about along Cowley Road there, that will also provide most of the retail provision in terms of and local service provision on it. Beyond that, you kind of get into more either residential led development that's a mixed use tool with businesses and other types of uses within it, including schools and other social provision. And on the other side, more business led, but with again mixed use with housing and other uses. And certainly around the station we see that with a combination of also obviously retail provision. And then the aggregates yard has to stay where it is. And so to help mitigate the impacts of that, we're looking at sort of a barrier of industrial uses that will line around and sit around that aggregates use and ensure that the noise dust and other things from that. Not impacting other uses in the wide area. So we've talked about mixed use development, and this slide just demonstrates kind of what we mean. I think we may have lost the map on that one. So, yes, so can we just go back a slide? Sorry. Thank you. Yeah, so this sets out how you can deliver mixed use development taken from examples from elsewhere. So this is really thinking about not just having a housing block next to an office block next to an industrial warehouse or shed. It actually shows how you can start to stack these uses or co-locate these uses in different ways. We've looked at examples from not only the UK, but also around Europe to see how this is done elsewhere. And there are some really, really good examples out there. And those have all been documented in what we call our typology study, which you can find on the website and we can we can share the link to that as part of this part of this webinar. Apologies. I dropped out completely. I don't know what happened. No worries. Typical glitches. Anyway, have to continue on. Do you want to go to the next slide? Yeah. And then Matt, did you want to just talk through this one, Matt? Good to have you back. Yeah, I will. So just to finish off, these are some practical examples and some real life stuff that's happened in terms of mixed use development. So in the top corner, right hand corner, you can see this is a Travis Perkins on the ground floor residential accommodation above. So houses above it. And that's in Camden. Then we have to the left. You've got commercial space with affordable work space and houses. That says Bernard works, which is in South Tottenham. Down the bottom there, you've got Caxton works, which is light industrial on the ground floor, the residential above. And then the final slide down in the right hand corner is homes with shops on the ground floor and even a cinema provision within there as well. And that's a welcome stuff. So on to some recently asked questions. Yes, thank you. Yes. So we've had a few questions already. Some of these are coming through social media. And we just wanted to pick up the kind of the top three that have come up in relation to business skills and training. So Matthew and Joanna are just going to talk through these ones. So the first question is for Matt. What kind of jobs will there be? Fantastic question really. There's going to be a significant range of different types of jobs created as a result of developing North East Cambridge. This will include both jobs through the construction phase, but also post construction jobs too. For the construction phase, we're looking at the widest range of jobs from those required for engineering, serving, drafts people, site managers, all manner of kind of skilled labour as well, including plumbers, electricians, builders. And to maximise those opportunities, we're looking at what training and apprenticeships we should be promoting now to take a full advantage of those in the future. And to ensure that youth within the area can see that there will be job opportunities and access to those jobs within their immediate areas. In terms of post construction, obviously within the area we're providing, as we say, a range of different employment opportunities. So within those, certainly there'll be employment opportunities within the business and science parks. But alongside all of the employment floor space and housing, there's a lot of social and other commercial provision that will go in. So there'll be a wide range of jobs in terms of community services provision, people to operate and organise our cultural provision as well and to run those. And obviously, with a significant amount of open space that will be provided, jobs will be created through those as well. Thank you, Matt. Okay, and the second question that came through from social media was what will happen to the existing businesses in the area and hopefully Joanne will be able to answer that one. Yes. Just to reiterate really what Matt said in his presentation. North East Cambridge is strategically important economic driver for Greater Cambridge as a whole. And as such there's tremendous demand for both business space and housing in the area. So the area action plan will be looking to protect the existing employment space and to increase it to take account of future current and future demand. That would mean for office and research and development space. There would be an increase of over 230,000 square metres of space. And for industrial floor space where the Cambridge area has seen a reduction over the last 20 years of 35%, we will be looking to protect the space and consolidate the industrial space and potentially we provide it across the site. So the main aim, so for businesses affected by any of the redevelopment, the council would be looking to work with them to look as to see if they can remain where they are, or potentially space be provided across the North East Cambridge site. Great. Thank you Joanna. It's really interesting to hear that the city's lost about 35% of its industrial floor space over the last 15 or 20 years. So it's quite a significant amount there. Okay. And then the third question is what are the plans for the science park? Matt, I think you've already touched on this a bit in your presentation already. But if you just wanted to just for anybody just joining the webinar, if you could just give a very brief kind of answer to that, that'd be great. Yeah, sure. So as Joanna says, the science park's really important as part of the wider Cambridge phenomenon. And we want to see it continue into the future to support the economic growth within greater temperature. How the AAP does that is to promote it for greater intensification. And it's relatively under use site. It has not much by way of built footprint and it's mostly car parking. So there's significant opportunity to look at intensification and further development within the area. And alongside that to provide for further amenities in the way of shops and leisure facilities to serve both the workers, and existing workers within the science park, but also that would benefit residents within the surrounding communities as well, who were to have great access and permeability into the science park to make use of those facilities. Great. Thank you, Matt. Okay, so we haven't had any questions put into the chat yet, but just to remind anybody who's just joining us at the bottom of your screen, you should have a button that says Q&A. And if you have any questions that you'd like the team to answer, then you can post them in there and we will do our best to try and answer those as much as we can. Okay, but in the meantime, there is another question, which I was hoping, Matt, you might be able to help us with. And that is, how can planners influence what sort of training opportunities are available? I can't really see a link between planning and education or training. Yeah, no, there's a significant link, really. And we do it. It's done elsewhere. I'm certainly done in Cambridge currently. In essence, when new development comes forward, and obviously through an area action plan, we're planning for that in advance, and therefore gives us further time to look at what might be the training for construction and both post-construction phases, what will be the job opportunities. And then we can work with colleagues both within economic development but outside the organisations of the councils, if you like, to those that are gearing young people in particular up with the skills they need. And then through the planning process, we can, through planning obligations, currently secure job opportunities through construction phase and even into the post-construction phase. So those are secured through legal agreements where the developers sign up to take on so many local workforce, to utilise the local supply chains, to take on apprenticeships as well. And because we know the landowners here and the developers here, we're looking to work with them very early before they put forward proposals and to start to put in and embed some of these training initiatives into place and work with the likes of the Cambridge Regional College to see what courses and skills they can bring to play as well, and then obviously to roll that out into the local schools and other places to ensure that everyone understands what opportunities may be available and could look to take up those opportunities. Thank you, Matt. Joanna, a question for you is, the plan talks about incubator spaces and grow-on spaces. Would you just be able to give us a flavour of what that means and what type of businesses that those kind of spaces might kind of apply to? Yes, we've done some recent research around incubator demand and supply in the Greater Cambridge area. And the outcome of that was that a lot of the spaces that exist at the moment are either full or close to being full. So part of the reason for that we understand is that there is a lack of grow-on space for businesses to move on to from the incubators. So we see that incubator space, providing additional incubator spaces, a demand for that. So small businesses, start-up businesses who don't want to be tied down to long leases and want the kind of easy-in, easy-out access to business premises. So those spaces would support those businesses. And when they're ready to grow, incubator spaces would be flexible, but there is a stage at which a business would need to move on to larger premises. So when that happens, we want there to be space available for those businesses, not necessarily so that they don't have to leave the area and they can remain in the area, staying connected to the businesses that they've connected with through being co-located. So it's really fundamental importance that businesses are able to start-up and grow within the same geographical area. That's great, thank you Joanna. OK, and another question is, are we mainly talking about more office-based jobs for people who will be paid enough to want to commute in from as far afield as Peterborough or Ely or North Essex? Or can you guarantee that there will be jobs for local young people without experience? Is that something you might want to take on that? Yeah, sure. I think through the employment floor space that we're providing, we are providing quite a significant amount of intensification within the science and business parks, and they will be primarily office or R&D floor space. But even then, there are significant opportunities for people to access those as well, and there is outreach programs that the Science Park is currently running, in particular with local schools, about what kind of things go on within those parks and how local teenagers and others can look towards a future where they could potentially work within those areas. Alongside that, obviously, with any employment floor space, there's a wide raft of different job opportunities that arise through servicing of those facilities. But what we're talking about within North East Cambridge as well is a diversification of the job offer and then types of employment floor space. So, we're still looking at retaining all of those industrial land and industrial uses, so they will continue to provide job opportunities in particular for those within the surrounding areas. And as Joanna said, we're looking to promote, obviously, SME, so small to medium enterprises coming here, taking up opportunities to work between, if you like, even the industrial type uses and the more techy R&D stuff, and for which there is a significant demand, and they will obviously look towards the local workforce in particular. And part of providing a mixed use development here is to ensure that actually some of these workers don't have to travel, that they have the opportunity to live and work in the same area, and making that accessible too. Thank you, Matt. In your presentation, there was a couple of slides on mixed use development, and you mentioned it again then. So, the question is about how easy is it to deliver these kind of mixed use developments because you traditionally get house builders or you get commercial builders. How easy is it to deliver the council's aspirations for this site? Yeah, I think if you'd asked me that question about even five years ago, I'd say really challenging, but actually it's becoming more the norm, and we're seeing it more and more in cities across the UK and England in particular, and certainly in London it's very much the norm, which is to deliver a stratified mixed use scheme with appropriate uses throughout. So ensuring that you maximise the use of the land for both job servicing, as well as housing. And it provides good amenity for those who are living within the area, and lots of activity as well, which also ensures that the area itself has support in terms of the facilities and social services that are provided to support those communities. And you get both daytime and evening activity in the area, so you get good surveillance as well. And through modern construction and layout of buildings in particular, you don't have any adverse impacts in terms of sensitivities between, say, what's going on on the ground floor and the environment that is provided for the residential accommodation as well. So more and more teary it's becoming the norm, if you like. Great, thank you. And yeah, as I said previously, if anybody wants to look at some more examples of how you can achieve mixed use developments, please do take a look at the typology study which was on the website. I've mentioned it in the last Q&A webinar that for a planning document it's a relatively easy read. So yeah, it's quite a good one to pick up and flick through if you get the opportunity to. OK, we've had another question. This is to and from the employment space. How will existing car parking be affected by redevelopment and or intensification? Matt, is that something you might be able to help with please? Yep, that's definitely for me. And what we want is as more employment floor space is added into the likes of the science of business parks that conversely the amount of car parking and access cars is significantly reduced. And that will be achieved through all of the transport means that we highlighted earlier in terms of we have excellent connectivity currently. And it's about ensuring that people have an alternative to bringing their car to the office really or that. Well, they have an alternative in the first instance, and then they take up that alternative and are motivated to take up that alternative. And that is by not having car parking freely available within the office built areas really. And that will ensure that we can maintain that trip budget whilst also enabling further development in the area to happen. Thank you, Matt. Thank you. I think it is worth highlighting that on. On the kind of spatial framework, which is kind of the kind of how the how the how the district could be laid out kind of diagram in the plan in the area action plan. It does sort of highlight where you could put these new business spaces across the whole area. And we're really keen to try and make sure that we are putting kind of a lot of the employment uses on those kind of hot routes. And when we say hot routes, we mean the routes that are well served by public transport, the routes that are well used by people that are walking and cycling. So thinking about places like the district centre, which is broadly where the golf driving range is at the moment on Cowley Road. So that's within walking distance of the guided busway in Cambridge North Station and Milton Road, which is already served by the park and ride bus. And also put in employment spaces close to some of the existing uses as well. So St John's, the Science Park, Cambridge Business Park as well. So really trying to work with what's already on the site both in terms of the land uses and the transport in the area at the moment. Just to add to that. And there is a role obviously for the new employees to take up and also the employers in terms of what they may offer to their staff in terms of encouragement through travel plans that we put in place. But also ensuring that when new development comes forward it has the right facilities in terms of showers, lockers and those things to promote cycling, secure cycle storage and the like. So the expectation is as well that through the AAP we're really driving down parking standards and parking requirements on site. And ensuring that those are maintained and managed in an appropriate way to facilitate a really walkable neighbourhood. Thank you Matt. And another question is about affordable workspace. So the plan references affordable workspace. Can I have a matter with Joanna, give us an indication of what that means and what that would apply to for the area action plan over the area. Jo, do you want to do that one or I'm happy to? So typically where we see development coming forward with significant employment floor space, we can as the councils negotiate that part of that floor space becomes what is known as affordable floor space. And that is rent at much lower levels than the local area would normally achieve. And that's just to ensure that the businesses that would like to operate in the area but can't afford those rents have the opportunity to potentially access that floor space. It's normally run by an operator who's an affordable workspace operator who has a list of people on their databases that would like to take up that kind of floor space, local businesses and the like. And it's they run it really well in terms of those businesses have to demonstrate how they are taking up local job opportunities as well as part of their offer taking up the affordable workspace. And then they have to show how they're going to to grow their businesses as well to move out of that affordable workspace to make available to someone else. And essentially it's all secured through again legal agreements and and then managed on that. Thanks Matt. Joanna, I've got a question for you. All of this development and all these Cambridge, what does it mean for greater Cambridge in general? In terms of the spear report talks about lots of growth and economic development. And we've already got a number of business parks and that scattered around. Do you think about kind of one in Water Beach when Campbell and etc. And then you've got quite a few to the south of the city. What does what does all of this kind of all of these jobs kind of mean for greater Cambridge in general? I think the spear report highlighted a number of key sectors in terms of maintaining and growing Cambridge. And the two key to the key ones were life sciences and digital sectors. And of course, the existing Northeast Cambridge businesses. Those two sectors are very key sectors for Northeast Cambridge. So in terms of its importance to the greater Cambridge area, we would be looking at the Northeast Cambridge development to help to maintain the prominence of those sectors in the area, but also to help grow them. But particularly life science is the key one of the key drivers for location for life science businesses is to be close to other businesses and to cluster as a sector. So growing the amount of space that's available in the Northeast Cambridge will mean that we attract some new businesses to the area attracted by the space, but also by a proximity to other businesses in the area. So it is key that we ensure that we support our key economic clusters and key providers employment in the area. Cool. Thank you very much Joanna. And obviously with what's going on at the moment in terms of COVID and the demand for office space. Obviously, you know, nobody's really sure about what's happening at the moment in terms of the wider world, I suppose. Forget about Northeast Cambridge, but you know, has the council considered the impact of COVID and whether we actually need all of this office floor space and R&D floor space? Matt, is that something you might be able to help with? Yeah. I mean, when we started drafting this plan, obviously it was a very different world. And our aspirations for the place were around intensification of those uses, lots and lots of activity on site. COVID-19 might change that really and we are having to think seriously as councils, not just about the employment floor space and people going into offices, but even right through to housing and people working from home ensuring you've got more space to do that and private amenity space as well, so that you have that good access to open space provision locally. So it affects a lot of things and even right through to what types of leisure and community services and facilities we might put in. At the moment, we just don't really know whether COVID-19 is going to be with us for a short time or a very long time, what the implications are. And so what we've written into the front of the AP is that unfortunately at this point, we're just going to have to maintain a watching brief. We're going to have to talk to the business sectors about their growth aspirations and but what that actually means in terms of COVID and whether that would translate into requiring floor space, how that floor space is laid out, how you may have to still maintain social distancing, how you'll do all of those sorts of things. Certainly on the digital side ensuring that Northeast Cambridge resident take up accommodation here have access to ultrafast broadband and the like, so you know home working is still a significant reality for people as well. And yeah, I think it's we've got time before we have to finalize this plan and hopefully we'll be guided by what the government's telling us in terms of guidelines, but also just out there talking with residents and businesses about what the implications may be. And we'll have to write those in and we may have to be quite flexible on how we take the plan forward. Great. I was just about to ask you about what does the plan say about broadband speeds just because it was your internet that cut out in the few minutes ago, so I thought you would be the best place to answer that. Yeah, I think the aspiration is to deliver on ultrafast and in particular full fibre, so you're talking fibre to the house and to the business to ensure you can get ultrafast internet connection. Beyond that, we're also looking at digital connectivity across the piece. So you're looking at, you know, this being an open Wi-Fi area, so fully accessible in terms of we have our aspirations about how people will transition seamlessly between different types of transport to take up the most sustainable transport options, but at a pace that really is accelerated so that those options are the number one choice really. So having Wi-Fi and having digital connectivity is kind of in essence a must for the area in terms of ensuring people have access to data so that they can make real-time decisions and can transition with a click and get on an electric scooter or a bike, electric bike to get to their destination, know when the next bus is coming, know when the next train is going to pick them up. So all of those things require a good digital platform to do it. Great. Thank you, Matt. So on the screen now you should be able to see the upcoming Q&A webinars that are going to be taking place over the coming weeks. So, as you can see there on the 17th of August next week, we have the third Q&A session, which is on climate change and water. And then there's the general one on the 21st of September, which is a general one where it's sort of open to, you know, sort of whatever kind of questions or things people would like to ask the team. So yeah, we really hope you can all join us for that. So we've got five more minutes. I'm just going to go through a couple more questions that we've got here on the screen as well. You can see how you can actually get in touch. So whilst these questions are really helpful and we hope that we are answering the questions that people are really interested to find out more about, it's really important that any comments that you have on the area of action plan, positive, negative, neutral, please, if you can send them in formally through the process, more information on the website or via email or by post. That's how they need to be kind of sent to us so that they are properly registered and responded to. That's just the way that this stage of the planning process works. So we can't take your social media comments, for example, as proper representations to this consultation. Okay, so just moving on to the final couple of questions that I've got here. So one of the questions is about, will there be any restrictions around the type of businesses in the mixed use development areas? How can we ensure that the types of businesses needed by residents are provided close to where people live? For example, things like grocery stores and things like that. Matt, would you be able to help answer that one, please? No, we're not looking at any significant restrictions. I think as long as what businesses go in in terms of mixed use developments, ensure that you get a satisfactory environment for both the business and also the residential or other uses that are going to be co-located with them. So that tends to be managed through how you lay out the buildings and requirements for soundproofing or other things like that. In terms of provision of services in the area, yeah, that's why we're essentially promoting these sort of four activity centres. What we're not looking at is large format provision, say one of these Tesco mega stores or something like that, that actually attracts lots of people in from the surrounding areas. We don't want further people coming by car to do their grocery shopping here. Certainly, we're looking at smaller Tesco metro type arrangements where all your local convenience needs can be met. You'll still have banking, you'll still have other retail service provision, library, GP surgery, all those things that a community needs to be self-sufficient in terms of its everyday general needs. We're looking at obviously cultural and other provision that will primarily complement that that's already taking place within Cambridge City Centre, which again is highly accessible to residents and businesses and workers within northeast Cambridge by sustainable means. So you're looking at complementary provision. We're also looking at how we might facilitate, obviously a lot of people do most of their regular shopping, if you like, online these days in particular as a result of COVID as well. I think we've seen an uplift in that. So we're looking at logistics hubs and last green mile type arrangements where your Amazon delivery package gets delivered to a sort of hub within this on the edge of the site. And then it comes to your door via a green delivery for that last green mile or you may go and then pick it up. You'll get the text message to come collect your parcels. And likewise, we envisage the same thing will work for grocery shopping. You would put grocery shopping and things like that. Great. Thank you, Matt. OK, and then I think we've got time for one more question. So we've got here there's quite a culture of having client meetings in person. I think this is kind of related to the business kind of office floor spaces. So lots of occupants at business parks will be used to having people visit by car or using their cars to make sometimes two or three different client visits. A day to all sorts of different areas around Greater Cambridge. Would the vision be that public transport would improve to allow all of these visits to still take place? Or are we looking at businesses being encouraged to subscribe to car clubs so their staff didn't need all those parking spaces? Yeah, I think it's a combination of all of those things. If people can access the site by sustainable transport means then that's what they should be doing. If they can't, certainly for the workforce, if it needs to go out and visit other sites and do other things, car clubs are the way to go.  But if you've got clients who are coming from somewhere else that may be doing two or three stops along the way and public transport doesn't suit their requirement, then again, there's no restriction on people having visited a car parking. And likewise, even for the residents who will be living within North East Cambridge, it's not about not having a car yourself or access to a car. It's about promoting the right sort of access to vehicles. Not everyone needs to have a private vehicle and a private car park in the space. But again, we've seen the benefits of car clubs and shared car pools that then reduce the need for car parking. And alongside that, if we're promoting a greater accessibility to public transport and improving cycle connections and walking connections, then we anticipate and we hope people will take up that as the primary first option, especially for those shorter journeys that should be done more sustainably. That's great. Thank you, Matt. OK, we've just come to the end of the Q&A session. So I'd just like to say thank you very much to everybody that joined live for the event and also those that are watching this recorded via the link on our website. Thank you very much. I hope you found it useful. Also, thank you to Matt and Joanna and the team for answering the questions and also the technical support, which has been great. Just like to just remind everybody that please go on to the website. If you would like to make comments on the draft area action plan, the consultation ends at 5pm on the 5th of October. So that's a date for the diary. Please please please make sure your comments are in by then. And there's also a Q&A webinar feedback form as well, which you should have just seen the link to on the screen. These webinars are quite new to the council. We did one last week. This is the second one now for North East Cambridge. Obviously living in a kind of social distancing world at the moment, it's very difficult to do face to face consultations as we would have done previously. So we would really appreciate any advice or any thoughts or comments on how these sessions have been running so we can take those into account moving forward. And with that, I'd just like to say thank you very much and thank you for joining us. Goodbye.


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Oh, I didn't I only made one burn one because I knew that Yeah, and the last thing that we have that's a brand new new are these I don't know if it's focusing But they are little blanks for charms for necklaces or key chains, but I'm gonna paint one Today and see how it goes This is actually the quarter inch thick one But they'll actually come in eighth inch thick so they'll be the size Thickness usually what we're gonna do is like anytime there's like a little bit extra acrylic We're gonna just cut a whole bunch of those out. Anyways, I went ahead and put some on the website already Now I need some present Insert stripper music I think our computer may be fixed It's about to be on its way back here from Diane out in big gas So That'd be good And in order to show you guys Jeffrey doing some airbrush stuff We have to go to another computer anyways So we're gonna go get a computer and that way I can have viewing And live streaming over at the airbrush in my little area So that's gonna be more airbrush more lettering more drawing and doodles and stuff Resin it up. What's up? You should make a 3d piece with a resin molded object in the charm blanks. I'm not sure Maybe Colleen So I'm gonna test all of these new new Oh, yeah, you guys started erupt. They're all available right now on the website artist till death.com Go buy your heart out and hurry up because they might sell out A couple colors and see how this does with heat and alcohol inks I peeled the cover off of that one for sure Put a little alky on it color another color My hubby told me no more supplies We'll see Amara Zognar Venar Howdy, how are you? I don't listen to hubby Hubby is background noise Look at that I'm gonna move this for one second you guys just so I can see here Resin it up. We are doing um A new product review Put it right. Yeah, because I I uh, there you go. It looks great So if you if you want to get them in focus. Yeah, just like that. It's perfect That was fast and you didn't even do anything to him, right? No, I didn't prep it at all. I just dropped some alcohol on A couple colors switched it around Resin it up. We're doing a product our new product review.  The crack on cracks on what? Ramona um So can you see? Let me see There's no there's no cracks on it. So what you're probably seeing is a little bit of the texture. That's just on It's whatever they put on there the white Let me see one here I don't know. That's not cracks Yeah, the texture. That's yeah It's nothing. You know what's funny is I uh I wrote on it with a uh dry erase and it comes off Not all the way, but I think if you put alcohol on it, it will come off all the way I'm going to um both of these just to see how they it reacts to resin I I feel like if this is going to warp at all it would have with All the heat from the alcohol inks Nope all the dampness from the alcohol inks and then with the heat Hi tj Oh, yeah, and we're getting New uh And when I say new I mean old Something but it's new because I didn't know they made them desk lamp arms that you can put your uh Your streaming cameras on And they just screw right on the end of it And so that way you can attach them just like a a lamp to your desk and it goes up and over New angles why would you jist of it? Um, shelly you it just depends sometimes people like to prep them Um, if you want to get rid of that texture that would be good. Yeah, if you want to get rid of the texture What she could do is spray one maybe and see if there's any difference in texture Okay, which I'm sure that there is because That gesso is really smooth um Two seconds. I'll do one and you might want to uh You might I don't know. Maybe you might want to scuff it up if you resin over them It's already scuffed I guess it is Yeah, and resin sticks to the sides of those to this masonite. So you don't have to worry about that it didn't um It's not like bubbling up or And it's got that satin So what would you do? What would you spray on this? To seal it actually ordered some archival spray I think that's here So just sprayed it with the gesso. I'm gonna let that dry Um, Colleen You really don't What you need to do is shake it up a lot And get it just to get a new cap if you can Get a fat cap If it's a like a rustolium, you're gonna have to take that cap off get an adapter Put the fat cap on the adapter put that on the can shake it up a lot and then spray it And that should clear it and we do sell the the the caps the adapters on our website Thank you Daphne. I hope you're having an awesome time today Okay, while that gesso is drying. I'm just going to mix my resin I can do that because this resin gives me a forever working time to put money in the sweet jar Oh swear jar Yeah, if you sometimes paint will sit and if you don't shake it up You know, I would I would shake up a can of spray paint if I just bought it Or if it's been sitting around for at least three to five minutes Like just sit there and watch tv and shake it up just so that Uh, it mixes the paint and it gets it gets a lot of pressure. So when you do push down on that nozzle It'll force that paint out Hello, Anita. How are you? Laurie Crawford's in the house What's up, Laurie You guys you I don't know if you guys joined our atd's poor people Or even if I posted my base that I did my ceramic base In that group Anyways, I did a ceramic base and I I made it look um to me like different kinds of coral Well, one of like the head saranacists in our department there is apparently he has that fear of like honey combs No fears of holes or fears of bugs coming out of your Out of holes of your skin Anyways, so there's holes in my piece and so he can't even look at it I went in there today. I was like, sorry my ceramic base scared you He didn't laugh. Um, Daphne Diane's husband looked at it and I think he fixed it. So he'll be sending it back trifetophobia Yeah, I think so Hope you're okay. Shelly Lost art. What's up Get it lorry. Anyways, he's gonna have to get over it because I really like that Design style and I plan on doing a lot more of those bases That's all we need here is just some more artwork Trip to phobia Because that's trippy y'all. Oh gee daddy. What's up? Oh gee daddy Off to dinner. Catch y'all later Just just give them some popsicles cartoons for dinner Okay. Yeah, give us some chocolate cake Mmm cake Mom is great She gave us some chocolate cake So this is done setting And it's smooth Should I try to ink this? I should probably try to ink this Cash is ready to go to a new home little monster Are you getting rid of cash? Bananas and apples Is that smooth? Yeah, I don't know if you want me to touch it. All right. I did accidentally scrape it Because I dropped a coaster and it rolled across it, but whatever Why does it do that when I just try to go in close? I literally pinch it and then it just goes all the way up close I don't get that Thank you, Mandy Oh, that's some brave colors Yeah, we'll see how they work That little thing like dries it up Right in the spot It's gonna be how it's like Yeah Just order 10 pendent blanks Well, thanks Ann Richards Susan that's a puppy for you No It blows my mind that it doesn't dry Like that crazy-looking ugly purple A blue misting bottle There's a purple one over there and there's one on my desk, but that's been there I had it over here today How much less are the masonite clocks? The 12 ounce the 12 inch rounds are It's on the website definitely a lot less. I think they're like 10 or 12 each. I'm not sure The materials less expensive so Yeah They're all 10. Thanks Colleen, um I'm pretty sure we have a video um of How you use the uh the caps the spray caps um If not just let us know and we can do a little tutorial for you It's it's really simple you just got to have um You just got to have the right cans and when I mean the right cans which Some cans You don't have to use an adapter an adapter comes in that pack and some Um, you don't have to that that means you can just take their cap off Put one of the regular caps on that comes in the pack but if not Um, if not, then you have to take that cap off Put the adapter on and then put the cap on But you want to put the cap on the adapter before you put it on the can I have to stress that quite a bit Okay, now we're gonna try the prep White coaster Linda, um, we're just now showing you what uh, what we've uh, what we've got here We we have made a 12 inch Masonite clock That you have to prep and then we've made these one inch little Uh pendants or necklaces or keychains They're clear. They're acrylic And we have made Circular and hexagon Uh coasters That are already white so you can pour directly on them or put alcohol ink on them There's still some texture. I would do two coats I wouldn't even I wouldn't even do a coat like if you wanted to get rid of the texture then It would need two coats Can't you spray what what do you normally spray on that? On alcohol the comar have you spray we haven't sprayed it on those yet though? We should spray it on there Oh, awesome. Thanks, Jen Because I know I tried to spray that glaze on one of these coasters or something I think the other day And it the one I tried it on And it turned it into mush on the new coasters You sprayed what? The glaze are clear Oh, and it mushed them? Mm-hmm get the car mark The AI in the background is that a video Oh Sorry, it does that you guys. I don't know why it Like you see I try to I literally just try to Make it so it's look at that. That's so annoying. Sorry Um, yeah a couple of those AIs. Didn't you make a Just doing a video of that one A time lapse So that's with Gesso on the masonite So you can spray gesso You can spray the comar varnish on gesso Mm-hmm try to spray it on those new coasters and see what that does I'm just sprayed it on those. Oh, you did spray it on those Oh, so it didn't do that Okay What are you gonna pour on oh the little clear ones? Did I um miss anything? Zee you like what the camera's doing? Linda she's about ready to pour on them. They're a little acrylic one inch Are they one inch or one and a half inch one and a half? Let's see. I'll show you with the uh This guy. Yeah, why doesn't it want to There we go. Oh my gosh There we go one and a half They're a little like pendants or they're little key chains or just charms Fun little things or you can buy a bunch and Make a mobile out of mobile mobile however you say um out of Your big clear round the ones And if you just joined us we do sell all this stuff on our website artists till death comm so yeah Jeff did um Oh, they want to know if you did the flower experiment Oh, I haven't shown the results yet, but I can do that in this video hang tight hang toy What gold is that? It's one I got from judy because I'm out of double a seven and bright gold powder and I don't want to take it out of the store I keep running out of it Sorry Jesus. Why does it do that? That's so It's so bugs me I try to zoom it in for you guys and I'm literally just putting my fingers and just doing the Spread the fingers thing The finger spreading thing. Yeah, and it just doesn't want to work So That's what he said Doris that's what she said and that's what he said That's what everyone said All right So while those camera varnish pieces are setting I'm gonna okay. I'm gonna zoom it in so be prepared to Zoom in extreme like Wayne's world because these edges are so sharp You just get all the way up to the edge And it'll dome Keep in mind that I am using a thick resin And if you use a super thin resin, it may not dome. It's all about viscosity Party on excellent Put that. Yeah, I was gonna say put that somewhere where they can see that Look how cute that is I did run it off because gold but That'll easily clean up This is not a pretty color I might just take you guys for a little ride to show that because I don't want to I want you guys to see how close how that how the resin just it'll Go right to the edge and stop on really sharp edges I did run it off on this side because that's how I operate my gold That's all right. It'll be cute Um monique. They're not on amazon shop. They're on our website artisttilldeath.com Oh, that's fun. It looks like making candy. We should just call them lollipop charms And there's the clock round That's what uh spraying the carmar varnish on there. You're welcome mandy or i'm sorry monique You know who you are you have seas Well, you have three different colors there and we're gonna make these thinner, right? Yeah These are these are pretty thick ones here the ones that we're selling are going to be just a little bit thinner because we were worried that This part here when you put we don't want the little hoop to be so Like bulky and big Oh, yeah, look at that Look at that a little tiny pour Oh my gosh. You can make miniature pour with the hamster My goodness. I could just sit here and just Okay, it's like making coasters is Well, good morning gale from sydney Hi gale We're making tiny Tiny pendants or earrings possibly or key chains or Look at that.  How are you? Okay, actually i'm not gonna do this yet.  Okay, cool Good talk. Look at that All right, sorry So this is the uh, the masonite clock painted white with gesso and alcohol ink over it and then she put Come our varnish on it and now she's putting resin on it And I need that much resin so i'm just picking some up as I go All right, so if you guys just joined us We uh, we have made three new products Technically four we have all white hexagon and circle masonite coasters these little one and a half inch little pendants There'll be a eighth inch wide and then we have a 12 inch clock face made of masonite which you have to prep Unless you want a brown background Then I would just sand it Oh that that looks great, babe Shattered shapes by Nina Nina Hey, Jeff and Erica. Have you received my package yet? Not that I know of Um, I don't I haven't seen any Can you see the glitter? Can you guys see that glitter? Oh, yeah Lots o glitter resin these little guys I'm gonna zoom this in Keep it kind of down there. There you go There's your mom Hi mom Little ribbon action I'd leave that look at that because that resin went over it now. There's glitter in the gold So to finish these up you could do Some bumpers on the back or a felt sheet What if She said alcohol ink and color resin Thank you, Monica Monica said those coasters look amazing Thank you. See look at that. That's all you got to do What have you done that? That'll sell up As it sits Karen Thomas said I made an order last night in about an hour ago Can you put them in the same package and throw a few move size sticks if you Have leftover postage I think we've sent everything out from last night I think we sent those out and Amanda did add some sticks in there I think you added that comment in on the Little thing classy. Yeah, it's nice. So I've got some resin Yeah Just do a couple more of those Look at the little tiny ones I would do a stream Yeah I would do do another one and then do a stream of That teal and one white and then blow on it and I wish those were cleaner. I can't Yeah, that's a little bit much Hey Karen Thomas. Thank you very much We had to move our station Was that a little louder than normal guys? Um, well, I was just gonna let me see what you oh, yeah, that's fine well How hard is it to open that up right? Oh, that's horrible They we have to go somewhere. So be careful with that wine Here's And thank you anytime somebody donates That's a big help to our channel Whenever you guys buy stuff we put it back into the product and And stuff when you donate that goes directly to the channel so we can get better equipment and and more Fun supplies that we can use just to do stuff like this Oh vamp. We have a button That it says I warned you on it Oh, man, it's it's terrible. I cannot even I can't even pretend to play with it like Amanda's kids came over and hit it. I was like, I'm sorry Sorry in advance Maybe maybe tomorrow night on ATD after dark. We'll push it Nice Yeah, we'll do it like if we uh If we go later Has to be an ATD after dark. Oh, yeah, I can snap it Hello, Christy. How are you? Thanks for joining We've just got all kinds of little Gifts and knickknacks here there is a 12 inch round Masonite clock face that we are now putting out Um And like you know a lot of the masonite you have to prep them except for These two, where's the Hexagon. All right. Here's the hexagon And then these two circles, they're white pretty much white masonite So you don't have to prep them Yeah, we need to set that on something flat And then these these little things right here they're one and a half inch Little uh Wow, that looks crazy. It looks blue on camera Uh pendants or key chains or whatever All right, is that it? No, we got a last one That looks like a clear one They're clear that one's clear. All right. So now she's working on one of our clear These are the ones that are just slightly not right Oh, yeah, I did a whole like a whole half sheet Of just slightly wrong Hexagons Sue that's we're live right now on my phone Um, all you have to do if you have a if you have a youtube channel You just tell them You just open it up And go to the little camera above on the on the top row And just press live and it'll Prompt you to add a add a you know add a uh A title and then take a picture and then press go live and you'll be live on your camera Glitter madness How'd you do those ones that really neat? Yeah Is there any of that um transparent left? Remember do this do Kind of the kind of draw inside of this I'm trying to make the skeleton in a skeleton. We just just rooting around Do you need this blue? gold white What do you need? Yeah, I just want to fill that up so go on the edges with this Yeah, do that one. Just go just try to pour it just only on that. Yeah There's bowie bean mom. You're gonna get to meet bowie soon Um, sue. Yeah, you have to uh, okay. We'll see you later. I'm just just remember you have to have an account to chat Right. Well, she's chatting. She's here. No, her daughter. Oh, like she's here now. What's the thing you guys do with your leftover resin? Mm. It's not good. Oh my god. Why didn't I look at why didn't I look at bowie when I did that? I'm sure he'll react if you do it again Okay, I didn't know I was gonna do that Oh, I thought you just hit the button like 17 times. I think I've used almost all of it Just sit in his fan Are you showing the people bowie in his fan? No All right, since we're about ready to go I'm going to show you our bowie. This is our new little puppy He's new addition to the fam fam He's gone. I swear What do you think bowie? And yes, his eye is blue You say hi Oh, here you go so Every so often I had to push the petals back down into the resin And so every time I did that some of them shattered. So I will say coating The petals and leaves and deco art did the best Second to mod podge And I guess the triple glaze was the last The top three So the flowers blew up the the the leaves stayed intact And the glitter from boltglitters.com completely sank Okay, Joe And thank you for that donation. Whoever just sent that. I'm sorry. I was I think it was Mandy, maybe It's a good test I'm gonna put this back in where it it came from Let's see what it looks like Yeah I wish you would have just did like clear Well, I have another Test coming up. I'm gonna use hairspray and uh Excuse me, pardon me, sir Archival spray I see He's like me too Oh All right, you guys things are coming in and seeing what we're all about. I hope that you learned something or are inspired to something I'm good either way. You can get those products on our website I will show you how they set up tomorrow. Hey easy He's just too excited All right, we got to go scout out a computer for Jeff's airbrush area So we'll see you guys next time be kind to one another you never know But someone may be going through shoot me an email if you have a question and we'll see y'all next time Bye Bowie say bye Say bye Bowie He said bye Oh Still say bye