Good morning, everyone. Welcome back to theCUBE. Lisa Martin here with John Furrier. This is day three of our wall-to-wall coverage of VMware Explorer. John and I are pleased to welcome back one of our alumni, Moodu Sudhakar, CEO of Aysera. Welcome to the program, Moodu. It's great to meet you. Thank you, Lisa. Thanks for having me. Thank you, John. Great to see you again. You're like an industry analyst coming on theCUBE. You should be like a guest analyst breaking down.  By the way, recent funding you had. Congratulations in a market that's not getting a lot of funding up around. Congratulations on that. Thank you. Business is good. Very good. I mean, look, Goldman Sachs investing, along with Zoom and Tom Abrower. It was great for us. Great stuff. Well, I'm glad we could get you in. This day three, Lisa and I, and Dave Vellante and Dave Nicholson have all been talking to everyone for two days here at VMware Explorer, formerly VMworld, our 12th year, covering their annual conference, as you know. And we've been talking to the executives, but day three is more of like we're going to, we're going to mix up. We're going to bring people in and get their opinions and about super cloud. Where does VMware go post-broadcom? Obviously that's going to happen. Looks like that's nothing going to stop that from happening. What's next? What's the impact? Who wins? Who loses? VMware certainly not acting like they're going to get gutted. They're like all full throttle ahead. They're laying down. So the announcement was vSphere 8. You got vSan 8. They got cloud native. They're talking multi-cloud. VMware is not looking like they're flinching. What's going on in your view outside of the bubble that we're here in San Francisco, out in the real world in the trenches? What are people talking about? What do you see? Lot, lot to unpack. Whatever you want. Yes. You know, I was a VMware alumni too. Yes, he sold the company to VMware. You know the inside. Okay, so then even better. I worked with Paul and Pat and Raghu. So it's great to be back at VMware now. I think there's a lot going on VMware. VMware is just to stay. The brand will stay. The VMware customers will stay. For years to come. I think Broadcom and VMware is, I think it's a great industry consolidation, right? The way in which I see it. And it's going to help all the customers too, right? Broadcom having such a large footplay into both CA, the software business, the hardware business. I think what will happen is Broadcom will try to create a hybrid cloud of their own with VMware. So there'll be a fourth player in the cloud industry and then back to John, your super cloud. The super cloud, by different, there'll be private clouds, public clouds, hybrid clouds. So I think Broadcom and VMware will help your vision of the super cloud and what customers are asking. Yeah, I mean, one of the things I want to get your thoughts on, Lisa and I were talking yesterday with the executives, AJ Patel in particular. He comes from, he's a middleware guy. So he did, it was Oracle. He did a lot of the fusion stuff at Oracle. He said, now runs modern apps. And you came in at the time, I think, when they were just getting that kind of app vision going, and Paul Moritz actually had it early with his 2010 vision, but too early on the app side, but that ended up happening too. So the question is, is Broadcom going to be this middleware layer? I mean, and treat the cloud like hardware. And then apps or apps, companies are apps. I mean, in a digital transformation, technology is the company. So the company is the app, is an application. So apps and hardware, middleware model emerging. Do you think they're going for that or is that just making this up in my head? I think to me, I see Broadcom as much more like, they're like a PA company at high level, right? So they're funded by- Like a private equity company. Private equity company. I mean, from a dollar stamp. From a dollar point. So Broadcom is going to fund companies. They're going to buy companies. They bought CA, they bought all the other assets. So Broadcom will have always hardware. The middle level could be VMware, but they also have CA, right? They have a bunch of apps here. So I see Broadcom is also using VMware to run applications. So the consolidation will be, they'll create a super cloud using VMware. They're going to own their own apps. I don't think Broadcom's story is stopped at this journey to come. They're going to buy more acquisitions, more apps companies. I won't be surprised in the future they buy Zendesk. I won't be surprised in the future they buy other apps companies, SaaS companies and cloud enterprise companies, right? So that's where the PE is coming. So the Broadcom vision is, I need a base middleware, like you're saying. There's no middleware on top of hardware better than VMware. So do you think that they'll keep the stuff that's coming out? Yeah, because we've been speculating on theCUBE this week. They have the core business. But there's all the stuff that's kind of coming out of the oven that's not EBITDA oriented yet. Do you think they keep that or they let it go? I think that's a great cushion to hang their CEO of Broadcom, right? But to me, I think knowing them, they are going to keep, and like if you look at Symantec, they kept parts of Symantec, they sold parts of it. So I think all options are on the table for them, right? They'll do whatever it is. But I think it has to be the ones that high growth companies, they may give it. It all goes back to is there profitability or not? But his vision is very good. I want to own the middleware, right? He will own the middleware using VMware to your vision. Create a super cloud and own the apps. So I think you'll see Broadcom is the fourth vendor in the cloud race. You have Microsoft, AWS, Google, and Broadcom is actually going to compete with these four. So you think they'll be a hyperscaler? They'll be in the top three or four? They'll be top four. Along with Oracle now it'll be. So now we are talking about the five vendors will be Amazon, Azure, Google, Oracle and Broadcom. We had an Amazon guy on Steve Jones. I should ask him that question. I just don't see that happening yet. I mean they had to have the full hardware side. How do you see that coming in? Because I mean Amazon's innovating at the atom level and they're working on stuff that's physical, transit, physics stuff. Like down to the root level. I think Broadcom will figure out look, they own the chipset, right? At the end of the day they also have a lot of chipsets that supply to both mobile and this. So if there's anybody who can figure out the hardware it'll be Broadcom. That is their core of area. They didn't have the core in the software in the middleware. VMware is going to give them the OS, the Kubernetes, the VMs. Once you have that layer I think you can innovate both up and below, right? So I think John, I think Broadcom, VMware will be a force to reckon with. And I think these guys are going to get into healthcare space though. See if you see the way the battle you and me are talking Lisa, like Microsoft bought Nuance, Oracle bought Surner. They all paid 30 billion each. So the next battle ground will be they'll start with in the healthcare industry. Somebody is going to go look at the healthcare apps like Epic, right? They're going to look at how we can do the hospitals. They're going to look at hospital healthcare professionals. That area will be disrupted a lot in this side. What other industries do you think besides healthcare are right for disruption with Broadcom VMware? I think endpoint management. Like remember VMware bought AirWatch when I was there back then, right? That whole area is called digital experience management. So that endpoint management will be disrupted. So Broadcom with VMware will go and get into endpoints. Endpoint could be the servers, desktops, VMware, Macs, right? Virtual desktop, VDI. So that whole management of mobile devices to desktop, that whole industry will be disrupted. It's a lot of players are there trying to do more consulting services. I think VMware is a great assets and tools. If I'm Broadcom, my chipsets are going into the endpoints. So it's a, that area will be disrupted a lot with Broadcom and VMware. You know, one of the things that VMware has been, people have been talking about is that the CA acquisition that Broadcom did was the playbooks public, everyone saw what they did. They killed sales and marketing. They killed all the execs metaphorically speaking. They took things, fired them. VMware's got a different vibe here. I'm feeling like it could go one way or the other. I think they should keep them personally, but you don't know, I mean, if they're a PE company, they're EBITDA driven, maybe it's just simply numbers. If that's the case, then I'm worried. But if, but VMware's got pride, they got mojo and they got expertise in software. Maybe a little bit different circumstance. What's your take on this is, or do you think there's going to be black and white to the numbers? I think the knowing Hank, Hank's playbook if he knows what he's going to do, right? His playbook will be consistent with Symantec. You think he already knows what he wants to do? I think so. I think at that level, both with Silver Lake and Broadcom, they already know of a playbook. At this stage, the game is, people already know that game. It's like a chess move. They already know. They look at Broadcom, Broadcom, VMware and see which assets to keep, which one not to keep, which organization. But I think Hank is a master at this. And I think, to me, I'm personally excited with VMware Broadcom combination. It's a great thing for the industry. It's great for VMware and VMware customers and partners. Well, John, you and Dave had a chance to sit down with Ragu. What were some of the things that he unpacked about the Broadcom acquisition? I mean, he was on talking points. He was on message. He was saying the things that any CEO was going to make a lot of cash on this deal. And he's proud. I mean, I think it wasn't about the money for him that I sensed that he's certainly going to make a lot of cash on this deal as an executive.  He's done a lot of great work, technically set the agenda. So I think their mindset is, we're going to just continue to do an amazing job as VMware as we are. And then let Broadcom, let the chips follow they may. And hopefully, if they do a good job, maybe they'll either refactor some of their base plans or they lay it all out in the field, so to speak. So that's my vibe now. Specifically, he made some comments like, yeah, we're really proud and he's staying technical. He's still like, this is really happening. So I think he's like, he's going to essentially, till the very end, be like cross cloud and hybrid cloud. This is our third generation. So there he's hanging on to the VMware third act that they're saying and he hopes that it comes home. And I think he's going to just deal with it. He didn't seem flustered and he didn't seem overly confident. I guess that's my opinion. What do you think? I personally worked with Ragu, worked for Ragu. So I think of him as the greatest CEO for VMware ever could have, right? It's a journey. It was Paul Moridge, then Pat Galsinger now Ragu. I think he's in the right place, right time to lead VMware and Ragu is doing the fantastic job. And personally getting these two companies married, I think Ragu did the right partnership with Broadcom. Well, I mean, I think if this event's any indication of their, if they're just sitting back and waiting, they're not, and this event was well done. It was pulled off. The branding's amazing. I thought they did a good job with the name change. And then in light of all the Broadcom issues, the execution was great. I mean, it was not a bad show here. I mean, it was a good show. It wasn't terrible at all. People were excited. I think the ecosystem also felt that Broadcom, like an electronic shock to the system, like something's going to happen. Let's wait and see. I'm going to go to the event to see if it's going to be around and kind of getting a feel first party in person. What's happening? Again, remember, VMware didn't have an event since 2019. This is a community that thrives on physical face-to-face camaraderie, community. And so I think the show was a success. And I think that's a result of Ragu and the team. Because we have a booth there for, I said I write my company, we have a booth. I mean, we are offering coffee and donuts. You guys should come by and tell people, like we're a free coffee and a donor, but it's one of the best shows I've seen. I think people after pandemic are back. People are interacting. We are like 500 people in one day at our booth. So for a startup company, like I was getting that much crowd is unheard of. So it's great. I'm really excited. The vibe from the partner community, I had a chance to talk with a lot of partners, AWS, NetApp, Rackspace. Really seems like the partnerships side of VMware is very, very strong. And the partners are excited about what's next for VMware. Did you have a chance to talk with any of the partners? Actually, look, I'm actually meeting with Karen. So Karen Negan is my contact at VMware too.  We talked to people in their digital experience management team. I mean, we are very excited to be partnered with both VMware's customer partner in all respects, right? I'll need the VMware ecosystem for my company to thrive. So for us, VMware customers are my customers. And leveraging VMware APIs, integrated VMware, that's important for us. Lisa, that's a great question because that brings us to the question of, okay, clearly this show also proves to us from our conversations and exploring the floor. The wave is coming. This next cloud wave is here. We're calling it super cloud. Whatever you want to call it, it's coming and it's real. And people know it. And also the lines of sight into economics around where people can fit in this next level ecosystem is becoming clear. So I think people kind of know what's the right side of the street to be on in this next shift. So that's coming. That's independent of Broadcom. So the floor represents to me the excitement for not only the VMware workload powering software with or without Broadcom, but the next wave. So the question is, if Broadcom goes down their path and Hank does what he does, who wins and who loses on where things flow? Because this energy is going to flow somewhere. Is it going to flow to AWS? Is it going to flow to Microsoft? Is it going to flow to HPE with GreenLake getting some great traction? NetApp's doing great. We just heard from them. So the partners aren't hurting. It's only going to get better. I mean, re-invents right around the corner. That's a packed house. Their ecosystem is growing like a weed. Who wins? Because the customers at VMware are enterprise customers. They're used to being service. They have sales reps from Microsoft. They have sales reps from ULIPAC and Enterprise. Real senior enterprise stakeholders there. So someone's going to end up filling in as VMware settles into their Broadcom position. Who wins and who loses in your mind? Very good question. My thing is, I think it's, I put Microsoft and Amazon the winners. In that way, actually, I mean Microsoft will win because in a true super cloud, your vision back to hybrid cloud, on-prem and public cloud, VMware disruption with Broadcom, as if there's any wedge in the market, Microsoft will take advantage of that Azure, right? Amazon VMware is there. Then you have Google and VMware. So I think Azure will probably try to take advantage of this. But very next will be Amazon right away there. That leaves you with Google Cloud, right? Google Cloud is the one. So they are the people that have to figure out what to do in this equation. And then obviously the other one is Oracle. Oracle has no hearts in this game. So to me, the people who are going to probably lose are impacted more will be Oracle. If the Broadcom and VMware will happen. So it's Azure, Amazon, winning the race. Probably Google is right behind them. Oracle will be distinct. It's even more, other side is Dell. Actually, Dell has no game in this. I mean, our Broadcom and VMware, Dell should be the one. Dell might have a little secret sauce on the table with Michael Dell. That's true. If he doesn't share, convert his shares, he might be the largest shareholder of Broadcom. That's true. He could end up owning all the back. So he may be the winner. Don't count them out. Well, this is a good question. I want to just double click on this. So you get customer dynamic. Where do they go?  And if you had to bet on community between Microsoft and Amazon web services, Amazon, Trump's, Microsoft on force multiplier community, ecosystem, AWS beats Microsoft on that one. So it's interesting because it's now multiple dimensions we're talking about here. It's customers. Now that's the top order, right? Like the customers. But also you got community. The people who put on sessions, the people in the community are the influencers that are like leading the trends. And developers are very trending relative to what kind of code they use, what's their environments. So the developers is changing that landscape. And ultimately the ecosystem of partners. There's a lot more overlap between AWS and VMware's ecosystem than there is between Microsoft and that and HPE is just starting an ecosystem. So it's going to be very interesting. It is. I think it's a broad come and VMware cannot be any best time for the industry, right? As you said, HP is coming in, Oracle is coming in. And to your point, VMware and AWS were one of the best partners. Now this going to create any gap for Microsoft to enter. For Azure, I think that's where the market is saying that it's going to open up a hybrid cloud player for Microsoft to enter. What is to be a tight relationship with VMware and Amazon, right? So people will rethink through their apps. And more importantly, the endpoint to me. See the key is that like you talk about super cloud, nobody's talking about super cloud for the endpoint. You mean edge or security? Not an edge endpoint. Endpoint could be your devices, laptop, desktop. Or building our light bulb or whatever. Desktop your VDI, desktop services, servers, right? So we call it like endpoint cloud. There's no endpoint super cloud. John, that's an area that you could like double click on super cloud for the servers is different from super cloud for endpoint. Well, super cloud dot world is the URL out there. If you're interested in super cloud, we are adding tracks to that body of work. So we had our event on August 9th was virtual event where Dave and I are going to add a data track. We're going to add a security track and we should add maybe an endpoint workspace work. That's a VMware brand workspace and horizon. So that whole workspace endpoint for super cloud is going to happen. That kind of deviate from the public cloud.  I'm very bullish on super cloud because I myself is running on-prem in the VPCs, public clouds, private clouds. Super cloud kind of compasses that so apps should be designed because I don't want to design an app for one cloud. It's not going to work. So it's like how Java came in. I can write it on any platform. The idea is you build it on super cloud, run it wherever you want. Right, that's exactly it. So what would you want to see in super cloud as it evolves? We were part of this open conversation. This is our point for today. We're going to have a great panel. Come up later today. We're going to have the influences come on to debate what super cloud should or shouldn't be. If you want to add to the contribution, we'll add this into the work. What's needed in super cloud? What's table stakes? I think we need like a Java compiler with Java happened for super cloud. I build it once, execute it any place I want. Right, using the Terraform, Hashicom, so what I don't want is keep building this thing for every cloud. I want to abstract that out. The whole idea of super cloud is how Java gave me the abstraction for hardware 20 years back or 30 years back. We need the same abstraction for the cloud today. Otherwise I'm customizing for VM cloud. I'm customizing for AWS, Azure, Google cloud. We as an application vendor, it's too hard to keep doing it. I have now 1000 tuners. I don't need 1000 DevOps people. I need maybe 10 DevOps people. So there's a clear abstraction complexity that industry should develop and your concept of super cloud with everybody thinking that and it has to start from the grassroots ecosystem. What do you think about the participants in this abstraction layer? Because someone said on theCUBE here this week the people in the abstraction layer shouldn't be participants in the below or above the abstraction. I think it should be everybody, right? It's all inclusive. It's like, you need the apps guys to come in. You need the OS players to come in. You need the cloud vendors to come in infrastructure. So you need everybody. Okay, let's just say that you are the spokesperson for the super cloud organization, super cloud.world. How would you sell AWS on why it's important for them? It's because they can build it and sell it in various ways in multiple AWS GovCloud, AWS on-prem, VPCs. It's even important for them, for them their expansion, their market time. If I'm and agency, if I'm built on super cloud, I can increase my time share. Otherwise I'm bringing only to public cloud. Okay, so I'll say I'm Amazon and we have a concept called one way doors. We don't want to go through a one way door. Is super cloud a one way door for them? What's in it for them? Do they make more? Does it help their ecosystem? And the same question from Microsoft Azure and Google Cloud. It's they make more money. They're making their apps run in multiple places. It's a natural expansion. You're solving your customer problems for Amazon and agency. My job is give people choices. I give choice to Lisa. Lisa can run it on public cloud. John, you can run it on VPC, AWS GovCloud. So you're saying, so you think customers are asking for this right now, but don't really know how to say it. Customers are asking, partners are asking. All of us are asking. Okay, what's the ask? Ask is give me a one place to build applications and run it anywhere without adding the complexity. Okay, done. That's super cloud. A little ship tomorrow. Well, all right, well done. Final question for you. Lisa and I have been talking with folks here. What advice would you give the folks that are in here? Cause we have a lot of active people marketing their solutions and products. They're trying to put a voice out there around thought leadership and trying to figure out what side of the street they should be on relative to the next 10 years as they're here at VMware Explorer as the next gen cloud comes around. What's the right narrative? What's the right positioning for companies to be on right now for, to be the most relevant and in the flow? I think, I don't know about 10 years. Right now we are in a difficult economic times, right? Markets are down, inflation is up. So I think the first is cost. People should focus on cost. How can it take cost? Automation is the key, right? Whether you use AI or automation like you and me talking John last week, right? That's important. Every CAO I talk to is focused on cost. How do I cut my cost? How can I do it with fewer resources? How can I do it with fewer people, right? So the new budget right now is cut your budget in half. So every company, every exec should think about how can you be a good citizen? How can I get growth and scale? I can do more with less. And that should be the next 12 months. That was a lot of the theme of conversations that I had with the VMware ecosystem doing more with less. So that's definitely on everyone's minds. And that's what my company is fully focused on. ISRA is all about AI automation. How can we solve your thing? We want to be solving customer problems. Like we are like your automation engine for your enterprise, right? We are a platform of platform. That's where I like the SuperCloud is. I can run ISRA as a platform on top of SuperCloud. Excellent. Wow, if only we had more time. I know that you guys can really dig into SuperCloud and take it even further. So you have to come back, Mudu. I will, I'm happy to be back. He's on the team. She's contributed to the open source effort of SuperCloud. Thank you. Thank you so much for joining John and me and kind of breaking down your vision on VMware Broadcom and the future. Next up, we've got to get some customers on here. I really want to understand what the customer experience is going to be like, but we'll have to have another segment on that one. We will do that. Thank you, Lisa, for having me. My pleasure. John, thank you very much. Thank you. For our guests, I'm John Furrier. I'm Lisa Martin. You're watching theCUBE live on day three of our coverage of VMware Explorer. We'll be back after a short break.


The third key difference of the law of attraction and the law of assumption is the belief. Now the law of attraction teaches that the belief and positivity that we output and that we see the world having will come back to us. Essentially that having a positive outlook on life and on other people and ourselves will bring our manifestation back to us because we are vibrating at a higher level thus attracting those things to us. Now the law of assumption is more like okay we change our belief about something.


Okay, well, let me start by thanking the organizers from this conference. It's, as Suri mentioned, it really is a great room. A lot of people whose work I've read for a long time, so it's nice to have a chance to meet in person. I'm gonna also talk about a specific problem on access to medicine, specifically the challenge of addressing pandemic preparedness through medical R&D. In some ways, it looks a lot like other neglected disease problems that we've talked about today and that there isn't sufficient commercial incentives to do the R&D development and delivery of these technologies. In other ways, it's different, in part because it's unpredictable. The reality is, if you convene a panel to look at priority pathogens five years ago, nobody would have picked Ebola. Nobody would have picked Zika. Ebola killed 2,000 people in 40 years. Since its discovery, that's very low. Zika, in terms of what people knew about the health burden it caused, is nothing like what we're learning today from its spread. So that's one way it's different. The other way it's different is the emergency context. How do you ensure access in emergency when there's incentives for suppliers to supply their own national market? What I'm gonna talk about today draws from a recent paper I did with Steve Davis, who is the CEO and president of PATH. All right, so as was mentioned before, the world is changing in ways that is conducive to the spread of infectious disease, population growth, urbanization, climate change, trade travel, increasing trade travel and migration has created an environment that is much more conducive to the spread of disease. Ebola and Zika have had a terrible impact. Diseases that are more lethal, and let's be honest, most infectious diseases are more lethal and many infectious diseases are more lethal and easily spread could do a lot worse. We need investments in many things to address this problem. We need investments to build health systems. We need investments in adequately trained workers. We need investments in labs. We need investments in a multilateral health institution like the WHO that has the ability to coordinate and effectively respond to dangerous disease events. Unfortunately, we have needed all these things for a long time and we have had multiple outbreaks recently or multiple epidemics recently from SARS to H1N1 to H5N1 and each time we convene together we talk about all that needs to change, how WHO needs to be reformed, what the funding requirements will be, what we need to do as a global health community and by and large, we have not been willing to undertake the legal, the financial, the government's changes to make that happen. Particularly in that context, medical R&D is going to be important. It's important because point of care diagnostics, vaccines can help control outbreaks before they become epidemics. It's important because you need medical personnel and volunteers to have sustained engagements amid an outbreak and having the availability of treatment and diagnostics is important to that. It's, of course, important to prevention. During my time in South Africa, 2000, 2002, one of the big reasons why access to medicines was so important in that context is there wasn't any incentive to know your HIV status unless there was the possibility of treatment. So it's important for that. It's also important because in areas where you have limited health systems, it's difficult to deliver the quality of care you can in other settings. So the health outcome from a disease may be significantly worse. The case fatality rate for Ebola in West Africa was 74%. Outside of West Africa was only 12.5%. And that's because of the difficulties of giving adequate hydration and medical care in those settings. So it's important for that. How have we done, though, in responding with medical R&Ds amid outbreaks? Not so great. It's been more than two years since the Ebola outbreak. There have been more than a dozen drug and vaccine candidates, hundreds of millions of dollars was spent. Many of it by companies voluntarily, I mean all of it voluntarily, but many of it by the companies themselves. There has been no drug or vaccine submitted for regulatory approval in that time. It's been a year since we've discovered the association between Zika and birth defects and we're not doing much better in that case. There is no clear vaccine candidate. There is not a effective diagnostic either. How can we do better? We can do better by establishing means of trying to coordinate this activity. So we do not have another cycle of wasted resources and scrambled investment. What do we need to coordinate? You need to see more coordination of the upstream R&D of medical tools. This is especially true for vaccine platform technologies. The reality is we're never going to guess what is next. It's important to develop the vaccine platform technologies that can be used to respond to different pathogens. It's important to have point of care diagnostics that can be used in low resource settings, particularly for what we at least can guess might be the priority pathogens. It's also important that we have more coordination of downstream testing, manufacturing, delivery as part of a humanitarian response during an outbreak. It is quite possible that these two coordination functions need to be governed separately. One can easily imagine the R&D, upstream R&D being a network tied to a fund, a loosely governed network time to fund. But in terms of having the authority to work with low and middle income country governments around testing and manufacturing and delivery, you need an institution that has the mandate and the authority to do that. To do that, we should look at lessons though that we already know from the past decade of heavy investment in technologies to address the needs of the world's poorest and low and middle income countries. And there has been a lot of investment. There's, in terms of R&D for neglected disease from 2000 to 2015 has increased 34 fold. So we had a significant increase. So lesson number one of what we need to see is we need to see more of an adequate and sustained investment to produce that. Now, it's currently $3.4 billion, which doesn't sound like a lot and isn't. It isn't a lot to address the health needs that disproportionately affect 5.7 billion people. It's not a lot even in terms of global health aid. It's 1% of global health aid. But it has made a big difference in this environment. How has it made a difference? Well, right now we have 360 different drug vaccine, contraceptive, diagnostic candidates in development from that funding. There have been 45 global health products that were registered as a result of this funding. So it has made a difference around that. Some of them have been very impactful. The vaccine for meningitis A, the Menafovac vaccine has been delivered to 230 million people at 50 cents per dose and has saved tens of thousands of lives. So that is a good example. But the second thing we need to see is more coordination of R&D and a roadmap of priority goals because it has had this rush to spur more development for neglected diseases has had some major hiccups. And one of them was that to build on Kevin's comment before about thinking about access beforehand, there was a very large rush to form product development partnerships to develop candidates without a lot of thinking of how the late stage funding of these candidates would occur and how they would actually reach market. That led to a significant transition period in global health where there was a lot of products and PDPs weeded out of the market for that. So avoiding that transition period would be important. Another lesson that was learned from the last decade in global health is having a better geographic distribution of multi-sector partners. We talk a lot about working with multinational pharmaceutical companies which is important and they've played a huge role in global health. But what you increasingly see in global health is a focus on low and middle income country emerging manufacturers that often have better cost structures and better ability to respond to their own domestic markets. This is also important in the context of pandemic preparedness because as I mentioned, amid an emergency outbreak, it's hard to give everybody in the system confidence that they will have ability to access vaccines. And if all the vaccines are produced simply in high income countries, there's not a lot of confidence in low and middle income countries that this would occur, thank you. And people will remember the H1N1 outbreak where Indonesia was reluctant to share its influenza samples without some greater guarantee that they would receive the benefits from that. Having a more distributed manufacturing system can play a large role in that. To do that though, you need to have that manufacturing base used. So there's a lot of thinking currently about how to develop a warm manufacturing base and what you would use them for prior to an outbreak occurring so that it would be ready, should one occur. And there's also the issue of how to negotiate the necessary contractual arrangements in advance. The fourth area, and to be honest with you, this I think was probably the most painful lesson of the last decade in global health was the initial lack of investment in systems. There was a view that we would have catalytic investments in technology and that the countries, this ties to the keynote speakers remarks as well, but that the countries themselves would develop the regulatory systems or the health systems to support the delivery of these products and it would all somehow work out. And this draws from work that I did at the Center for Global Development as part of a working group, I'm sorry that for some reason the caption at the bottom has gotten compressed, but it shows where the vaccine trials for neglected diseases were occurring. And what you see not surprisingly on the right hand side or the trials that are happening in high income settings and the left hand side of the trials that are occurring in lower middle income settings, Africa being the largest. Now the challenge in this context of course is many of the countries that were hosting these trials had never seen a novel vaccine trial. There was no need for them because sadly people weren't developing products for use in those settings, but as you move to later stage clinical development it's important to do these things. It's not just on clinical trials, you have the same challenges around registration, you have the same challenges around post-market safety surveillance and there are similar projects that have gone on in all those spaces. In the initial years of global health there was very little investment in this area that is starting to change and will be very important to support in the context of pandemic preparedness. The second part of that of course and this to be honest in the neglected disease context has been somewhat less of a challenge is how to design equitable access systems. We're obviously here to talk about access to medicines and IP management has played a large role in this. Part of the difference around neglected diseases of course these are by and large diseases for which there is no commercial market and that creates a different context around this. But two different approaches, standard approaches that I've been involved in through my work at the Gates Foundation is one is looking at use of access principles. So IP management and global health and the funder typically sets up the standards and milestones, IP stays with the grant and it's one of these non-exclusable sub-license licenses that we've talked about here. The second is collaborations that you can have tied to a pool of funding where all the members of that collaboration agree to standard material sharing agreements, shared data and their access commitments that provide that. That would be useful in this space as well and something we should look at. Let me pause there.


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Okay. Yeah, this backdrop, I'm a mid-century freak, you know? Yeah, mid-century modern school. I went to the Brady Bunch house recently, it was for sale. I know, I saw that. Yeah, it was up for like five million, and then they sold it for three million, but it was crazy to be inside there. I don't know how old you are. Oh, I think you're 46, I'm 57. I grew up with Brady Bunch. Most people did after school, you come home and watch it. And then to be in that house, you could just hear all the sounds like, Marsha, Marsha, Marsha, you know? Yeah. Yeah, that was pretty cool. I think it sold again. I think it sold a second time as well. Yeah, it sold the first time to a TV network, so that Brady Bunch cast could actually build the inside as a TV show, because the inside didn't look like it did on the show. That was a set. They weren't the outside, so it was a TV show they did, and then it sat for a couple of years. It's in my neighborhood, actually. I walk by it every day with my dog, and then they put it up for sale. And they had 24-hour security there. It's the second-most photograph house other than the White House in the U.S. That's amazing. Second to the White House. Well, crazy. You know, somebody bought that. A lady bought that.  Yeah, you would never. But at one point, I swear, when it was first sold, because it changed hands more than once in the past few years, but I read that at one point, somebody was considering doing an Airbnb-type deal with it where you could, like, stay in it. I don't know if that ever actually happened. Well, that was my idea. Buy it and have it as, like, have, like, say, Rolex wanted to debut a new watch. They'd have a private party in there. You'd be in the Brady Bunch house with some red new Rolex or, you know, Louis Vuitton. Any kind of brands could have parties in there. You could have movie release parties in there. Everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's definitely, there's a lot of angles to it for sure. I don't know if anybody's pursued that, but yeah, you could never actually live there because it would just be nonstop harassment, you know. Yeah. Oh, yeah.  All right. Are you in the garage? I see a challenger back there. Is that like a red-eye or something? It's a demon. Yeah. Yeah. The demon. That's the 2018 demon. They made 3,000 of those for the US market and 300 for Canada. And that thing was, at the time, it may still be, but at the time, the most powerful and fastest muscle car ever created and, you know, it was made for drag racing and did like, you know, the quarter mile and 9.6 seconds, 9.65 and things zero to 60 in like 2.3 seconds or something crazy. And, you know, there's like all kinds of amazing stuff about that car. That's number 18 out of 3,000. And then they've got another one coming out that they're building them right now. It's called the Demon 170 that runs off of ethanol fuel or E85. This one has 840 horsepower on 100 octane race fuel and the Demon 170 has 1,025 horsepower on E85. Now, you know, I think those had two keys, right? A red key to open up all the way up. Have you taken it onto the track quarter mile or backwards wherever you live? No, I did. Most people bought these and just keep them in their garage. And, you know, I've driven, this one's probably one of the higher mileage ones that put like, it's got over 4,500 miles on it, I think at this point. So I'm driving around here and there and I took to the track before I moved out of California, we took it to, I want to say it was Irwindale. I think it was Irwindale, eighth mile track. And, you know, I was just trying to get to know the car. I went out there with Hot Rod Magazine, they did a story on it.  But like this is like a bonafide race car that requires some finesse and, you know, some practice behind the wheel to learn all the stuff about the car. It's like, you know, you have to work for it in this car. A car can do it, but you have to actually know what you're doing in order to put the power down and get the numbers that you want, you know. Is that manual or automatic? No, this one's automatic. They never made any of the demons in manual, but you could get some, you know, some of the Hellcats. And I think, you know, this is the last year for all the Hellcat stuff. And so I think they're doing a few, like a limited run where they put, start putting the manual transmission back in it if you wanted it.  And just loved Mopar all my life. And then when they made that Viper, when the actual Viper came out, it was so crazy, right? The Dodge Viper. There's a Viper on the other side of that car. Oh, wow. Whatever. This is a, it's Gen 5. So it's the last, I don't know if you can see it. Can you see it? Oh, yeah, I see it. I see that. Oh, that's the, yeah, that's the one I like, the coupe. I don't like the convertible. I love the coupe, man. Just the way it looks. Yeah, that's the last generation. So they did those from 2013 to 2017 and then they killed it all for a second time, right? But that's the GTS. So, yeah, I think the most iconic Viper was the original GTS, the shape, you know, and I can't remember what exactly what year, but it was like late 90s when they first came up with that GTS profile. And so then when they did the Gen 5, they brought the GTS back and the silhouette and the kind of the overall shape of the car was a real kind of throwback to the original GTS, but bringing it into the modern era. But that car is incredible.  It's just like so, it's just amazing to me. It's like an American exotic car.  But you get in that car, you look at that car from every angle. I mean, a car could be a brand new vehicle that just can't. I mean, the styling of it is timeless. They got it so right on the Gen 5 Vipers and it was sad to see them kill it all. And I was hoping, you know, the Viper people like, I think they're all about the V10, but when they came out with that Hellcat motor, I mean, that V10 on that Viper is 640 horsepower. I got 840 horsepower in the demon right there, right? But the Viper is probably a thousand pounds lighter than that demon. So I was going, man, if they could put that supercharged V8 Hellcat with like 700 or 800 horsepower in a Viper, it would be unbelievable.  They didn't do that.  I don't know, but it'd be nice to see them bring it back. It's such an incredible car. I remember my buddy got one and I drove it the first year, the convertible. And it was scary, man. It felt a little squirrely. It was loud. And it was just like, oh, dude, these things, you can crash in this thing, you know? Oh, yeah. No, there's people, there's, there's been a lot of people that have, the last thing they ever saw was, you know, like that thing running into something, getting away from them. Like, you know, the original, it wasn't until 2013 that they even put traction control in a Viper, right? Because, and the only reason why they did it then was because it was finally federally mandated that all cars from that point forward had to have traction control, right? But they were like, no, this is like a race car for the street. So, you know, you got to know what you're doing or this thing can get away from you really quick.  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.  It's so, it's crazy actually driving fast. It's crazy as you get older. Yes, it is.  Oh, yeah. When you're a lot younger too, you're probably drunk, you know, you're like, yeah, I don't care about this tomorrow. I hope not. I hope not.  I'm not advocating it. I'm just saying you got in a Camaro. No, I get it. I saw this video on YouTube recently where I don't even know, you know, it's one of those things where it just popped up and it was like from back in the, in whatever year it was, it looked like it was the early 1980s or whatever, but when they were like, you had to wear a seatbelt and you could not have a beer in the car. Oh, I saw that video.  I love it. He's like, he's bullshit, man, taking all my rides away. I can't. Yeah. I mean, that was real, but I remember the whole, you know, I can't drive 55 and, you know, when I was a kid, you know, they tried to make, I think 55 was like the primary speed limit, you know, on interstates across the country for a while because they thought that was really going to cut down on automotive deaths and stuff, which I don't know that it actually did much because they went back to it. Now some places it's like 80 miles an hour, you know? Yeah. Well, the cars got so much better, you know, back then you're driving something with drum brakes and, you know, you put on the brake, you're like, I hope this stops.  Exactly. Yeah. I could talk cars all day with you, especially since you play with the whipper.  I know, dude. Yeah. Yeah, he's still working on it.  It's kind of like the never-ending test and tune, you know? Yeah. Yeah. Another love of mine, of course, is guitars, cars, guitars and watches. That's basically my, an architecture. Those are my loves, but obviously you've made your career playing guitar and early on, I remember I grew up around that era and so did you, where Stevie Ray hits and then you have everybody after that. I called it the strat and the hat era, where Austin came along and you had like Doyle, Johnny Lang, you, all these guys came out as the new quote unquote member gunslingers, which is hilarious, but it's amazing to see people like you, just a long, great career of putting out records and just, you know, didn't go by the wayside, you know, because it was really red hot for a little bit and then it went away. People like you and Johnny Lang and guys like that have been making records for years and killing it. Yeah. Yeah, I've been fortunate, man.  If you look at just like from the time I signed my record deal, well, I signed my record deal 30 years ago this year, like this December, it'll be a 30-year anniversary, me signing my record deal. And in 2025, that'll be the 30-year anniversary of the release of my first record. So, you know, three decades of doing this and that's impressive.  I know how many people, first of all, would love to even just get a shot, you know, at doing this, right? And then the amount of people that want to, versus the ones that actually do get a shot is, you know, that's tremendously different numbers, right? Very small amount of people actually get a shot. And then the amount of people that actually get a shot that they're successful doing it is even smaller. And then the amount of people that are successful for more than five years, then it gets even smaller, you know what I mean? And so we're going three decades, got a new record coming out November 17th, still making new music, you know, still selling out venues, still reaching new people every night. Like, you know, I asked the crowd, I'm like, how many of you guys are here?  And then I'm like, how many of you guys are seeing us for the very first time tonight and the other half of the room cheers, right? So that tells me, man. I mean, some of those people might have been listening to my music for the past 30 years and they just came to their first concert. But still, you're still getting new people to come out see you play live. And then I guarantee you there's a number of those people that just still just discovered me in my music and showed up at a concert, right? So we're still reaching new people even 30 years in. We're not just always preaching to the choir, but we do have a tremendous foundation, a fan base that we've cultivated primarily over the first three records that's been with us, you know, throughout the entire journey and has supported me, you know, writing and recording the music I feel inspired to make no matter what that sounds like or what direction it might take us in, you know, and embracing, you know, the artistry of it all and just showing up for us, man. And so, yeah, it's pretty amazing. And a lot of things changed. You know, there was a record that you could put out a record. Nobody buys records anymore. That's changed. There's like almost overnight mainstream rock radio, which was the primary format that would play this music on the radio kind of disappeared, you know. So like you had people stop buying records and you had a lot of radio stations that used to play this stuff that didn't change formats and became something else. And so then you didn't have a main, you didn't have a country wide home for this music on terrestrial radio to turn new people on your music. So a lot of things changed over the years. That's just two of them. But thankfully, man, I mean, there's no shortage of people that want to see this music live. And people are still consuming this kind of music. It's just in a different way. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you know, whether it be the Blues Cruises or Blues Festivals, we just had the crossroads here again, Clapton, it's alive and well. And there's also a ton of new guys. I think one of the greatest right now is Marcus King.  I met him when he was 20. And you get young guys that come out. And it's awesome to see in the world where guitar wasn't popular for a while. Now it seems to be since COVID back and boom and again. And guitar music, not necessarily like, I'm talking about like Blues Soul Rock, I call it, you know. And it's, you know, I did a tour with Marcus for two months and they were sold out double night theaters everywhere, all different ages. So yeah, it's alive and well for sure. Yeah, man. Well, the other thing is just like, you know, where I think we're reaching one of those, there's this cycle in music and it's just like clockwork. It just lasts different amounts of time. But we're very rapidly approaching or we may have already been in this part of the cycle for a while. But like, whatever the mainstream music is, has become so diluted that it all sounds the same. Like, you know, where you turn on the radio and you hear whatever the most popular, you listen to the popular songs and you can't tell one band from the next because they all sound the same and they're all kind of doing this, whether it's the pop country or pop-pop or whatever, R&B, hip-hop. I mean, it's all, everything starts to sound the same. And so then people are going, okay, well, I want something different. And then they start looking for something different to sink their teeth into. And that's when a lot of people start finding out and getting interested in, you know, American roots music like Blues and Rock, you know, like Real Rock, you know, and stuff like that. And they start finding their way. And they start showing up at our shows and listening to our music and stuff like that as well. And then the next wave of whatever's next will come along, you know, that will be the new era of what's popular until that gets so saturated that then it all happens all over again. Yeah.  Like right in the 90s there, that was a wild scene, you know, at the same time you got Grunge and you got like Kenny Wayne and those kind of guys. So there was like, there's been waves of different stuff that comes and goes. Yeah, you know, it's interesting you look back. I mean, the 90s was actually a really great time for music because of that. Because it was an era where you could have, you know, people like Nirvana and Pearl Jam, you know, bust in the door wide open on the Grunge scene and then you could still have like Blues artists that were putting out records and selling millions of records too and, you know, pop and everything in between. You know, it's like there were so many quality musical options, you know, out there and it just has become more narrow as the years have gone by at least as far as what's allowed to be put out there in the mainstream, you know. At what point when you first start playing guitar, because I always say there's a million guitar burners on YouTube and Instagram and TikTok and I've seen it year after year after year, guys that are mind boggling. But at what point do you realize, and this is always I say the most important thing, that you realize I better write some songs here because who cares after a while how great you are in guitar? Where is the song?  Do you start to realize, hey, I got to really get into songwriting because Stevie had the songs, Hendrix had the songs, Eddie had the songs. Well, no, no, I've been about all about the songs from day one because my dad, you know, worked at a radio station. I grew up around a radio station. You know, my dad was the program director. He was the guy that chose whether or not your songs, your band's songs would be played on his radio station, right? And we went to every concert that came through town. I just grew up listening to all kinds of music, but in particular music that was played on the radio and became hit songs. So that's always been part of my DNA. And that's why I mean, I don't know, I don't know the exact number of, I haven't tried to count and memorize it, but we've had, I would say, a significant number of radio singles throughout my career going all the way from my first album to my fourth album, you know, and some of them, you know, Blue and Black being the biggest, which set records at the time, you know, for how many weeks it was at number one on the mainstream rock charts and stuff. And so I've always been about the songs. I've always been just as much about the songs and the vocal and the melody and the storytelling as the guitar playing from day one. That's just the kind of music that I like to make.  There's one on the new record called You Can't Love Me. It's like, that song is, I mean, the guitar solo is there just because it, because that's what's supposed to be there in a band like this. But, you know, the guitar solo is in a moment for me to like, wow, people, it's just serving the song more, you know, but the song is really the purpose of the song is the message in the song and the vocal. Yeah, I really like that song. I'm friends with John Mer, I like John Mer a lot. I like what he does also with some great songwriting, great playing, and, you know, he brings it all to the table. And that song, as I listened to it on your new record, I was, it's called Dirt, what is it, Dirt on My Diamonds, which is a great title. But it's a great, great song, you know, and that's what I liked about you from the beginning, because back then there were a lot of guys, I grew up around the Mike Varney era, and there were burners that just didn't have any songs. And the ones that did have songs are still here. And it's because of the songs, you know? Yeah, well, that's true.  But when it comes to, you know, being known as a great guitar player, then you actually have to have the skills to back that up too, right?  So you got to have the talent to go with it for sure. I know, I know Stevie was one of your guys, but back in today, were you diving into some of the other like 70s guys like Frank Marino and Robin Trower and all those guys? Yeah, man. Yeah, I heard all that stuff, Mahogany Rush and Marino and the Allman brothers and Skinnerd and, you know, I was a big ZZ Top fan, love Billy Gibbons, man, when I was a kid. I mean, just rocked out to so many ZZ Top albums. In addition to all the blues guys, you know, like Bibi and Albert King and, you know, Freddie King and Lightning Hawkins and Muddy and Howlin' Wolf and, you know, Hubert Summit, all those guys, man.  So it was just like music 24-7 and all that stuff. I was like a sponge and just absorbed all of it. And then it finds its way back out in the music that I write and make, you know. And so you hear a lot of these different, because it wasn't just blues and it wasn't just rock. It was James Brown, you know, a lot of funk stuff, R&B, jazz, you know, hip hop, rock, country, every single genre you can think of was played around our house. And so all that stuff is just kind of in your subconscious and then it comes out. And this album is a great example. You hear a lot of different, you know, that's what I've always done from day one is taking blues is like the foundation and then mix it up with all these other, you know, genres that I kind of soaked in as a kid and trying to come up with something that sounds new and different for that genre and pushing into new directions. And there's a lot of that happening on the new record. Yeah, it was in that sweet moment. It had like a Dr. Dre kind of that. Yeah, yeah. It's got a little bit of a California vibe to it. Yeah, I loved it. I was like, all right.  Like my generation, we witnessed that whole thing. So even if you weren't a big, like I never wanted to be a rapper, but I grew up listening to that stuff.  And so it's just kind of part of who I am as a result of being part of that generation.  If you listen to my stuff from day one, I mean, it's all about the groove and, you know, trying to make people make their body move, you know, just to make the music feel so good that they can't help but get out there and dance or something like that. You know what I mean? Did you dive down the Dumble rabbit hole at one point? Did you get into that? Yeah, well, yeah, he and I became friends, I don't know, probably 15 years ago or so. And he built me about 11 different amplifiers over the course of our friendship and changed everything for me.   The hype exists because of what he's capable of, what he created. But I mean, all that aside, it's like, I'm just here to tell you that, you know, I went from like having amplifiers that I used every night on stage and I would have to like have a combination of pedals and like stand in the right spot and hit it the right way and contort my body like this to try and get it to sound a certain way and hoping that it would sustain as long as I wanted it to or something like that, you know, and all this effort just going into hoping that the amp is going to do what I'm hoping it's going to do to I went from that to like this man building amplifiers around the way I play my instrument so that they intuitively do exactly what I want them to do effortlessly. So then it freed up so much energy for me creatively on stage and anytime I'm playing in the studio or whatever, it just like freed up so much more energy and focus for me to put into the music instead of trying to do all of those things just hoping that that note's going to sound the way I want it to. So just that in itself was just a tremendous improvement for me, you know, it changed the way that I was able to make music. Remy through that process, I mean, he's gone now, rest in peace, but he was a notorious recluse. How did you end up getting a hold of him and then did you go out to like Santa Cruz or whatever and hang with him? What was that about? No, no, he was in the Los Angeles area. So he had been up in Santa Cruz for a really long time. That was like way long time ago. But no, you kind of generally meet him through a friend, you know, if you know somebody that knows him kind of thing. And I had a friend that was that knew him. And my name came up between the two of them. And I guess Dumbled had said that he was a fan of my music. And in particular, a couple of records of mine that I had done. And so my friend Sherman, who knew him, Sherman was like, well, you know, I know Kenny, I could introduce you guys if you want. He was like, oh yeah, absolutely. I would love that. And I've been trying to track him down for years since I rented a Dumbled amplifier on my fourth album, The Place You're In, in 2004. And I rented this record, this album, I'm sorry, I rented this amplifier. And I was like, oh my gosh, and I asked the guy if I could buy it on the spot, he wouldn't sell it to me. And then he was like, I was like, well, I got to meet this guy, I got to find this guy. And he goes, oh, he doesn't make amplifiers anymore. And if he did, he probably wouldn't make one for you anyway. And I was like, what? So I couldn't, I couldn't find them until my friend Sherman put us together. And then we just immediately hit it off and became very, very good friends for the duration of our relationship till he passed away. And what models was he making for you? Was he just making specific amps for you? He said like, 11 amps? Like, was he just building different? Everyone was different. Yeah, everyone was different. Like, you know, what happened was, is like, we started going down the overdrive special path and then at one point, and I should have done this, I don't know why did we shifted gears. But, you know, at one point, I had him doing research into building me a 60 watt steel string singer, which would have been the only one like it ever made, right? Because I didn't, I'm trying to bring my volume down.  And I'm like, you know, just, I'm trying to find a way to get that, I was trying to find a way to get that same sound, but at a slightly lower volume. So that's what we focused on. And so, you know, basically, I ended up having these amps laying around various Fender vintage amps, a couple of reissue of amps here and there, too, that, you know, basically he would look at it and he, if you had an old Fender amp, I mean, he could do a number of different things, right? He could do a mod to an amp or he could do, you know, a number of different circuits that he designed, you know, but basically every time I gave him one of the amps, he would use only the, he would use the chassis, so the metal chassis, and he would use the cabinet, you know, and that was it. Everything else, if the transformer was good, if it's specced out okay, then he would use that.    I don't know why this thing keeps going off. I don't know if you can hear that or not. I need to put this thing on silent, sorry. So he would, he would put, he would sit there on his chair or on his stool and I'd be on the couch and I'd be playing guitar and he just plugged me into different amplifiers and he would just sit there with his eyes closed most of the time just listening. And he would be listening to how I'm playing and my attack and how hard I hit the guitar or how soft my touch is or and he's also like listening to what it is I'm trying to get out of the amplifier, right? And so he's like assessing my playing style. And then we would figure out, you know, he'd plug me into an amp and there's like, well, this would be a great platform for us to build you an amp off of, you know, and so we'll start with this and then we'll go from there. And then he'd start working on it. Then I'd come back when he had something that could be played through and then I'd play through it and he'd listen to it again and then he'd go back and make a few adjustments or whatever until it was done. But basically, you know, the whole process started from him just listening and trying to see he could figure out what I was trying to get the amp to do and then he would go build the amp to do that. Do you still use them right now? Oh yeah, I use them. That's what I use on in the studio on the records where I use out on the road. You know, I'm a little concerned though.   And then I'm a little nervous because, you know, there's nobody that he didn't have an apprentice. So there's nobody, like he didn't pass the baton to anybody. So like, if one of these amps bites the dust, you know, it's like something whoever fixes it is not going to be him. And it may never sound the same. So that's, that's kind of weighing in the back of my mind, you know.  Like you said, he didn't pass down. It's a lot like to me, like Eddie Van Halen, he's gone. And all of that knowledge and stuff he has is gone. I mean, his son has some of it.  And that's it now, you know. Yeah. Did you ever get like, mattress and like Mark Sampson and all those boutique stuff? I've played a bunch of different boutique amps. I've played some of the Dumble clones. Yeah. I've abed them, to be honest with you, with real Dumbles versus, you know, it's supposed to be just like the Dumble one. It's never the same. I mean, it's not. I mean, the fact of the matter is this, and I watched it firsthand and I've told people this, it's like, you can get the guy, you can like, you can go get one of his amps and you can de-goop it, you can look at the circuit, you can go, you can try and copy that, right? But this man would sit there and he would have these capacitors and resistors and bags full of them, right? And he created the schematic for the circuit. And he knew in his head what the values of all those things, what the appropriate value, because I mean, he would go through a bag of those things and he would test them and he might toss 75 of those things aside before he finds one that's right within the spec that he wants it to be in. And that's the one that goes in the amplifier, right? But everybody thinks, oh, you see the writing on the little, on the, you know, capacitor, you see the numbers on the resistor, the color coding and that's supposed to be that, but they don't all read the same. And he may not have wanted it to read exactly what it's supposed to. He might have wanted it a little less or a little more or whatever. And so he would search and search and search until he found one that was the right spec and that's what went into the amp. I mean, just little things like that are like when I watched him troubleshoot one of my amps when we had a problem and he's got his multimeter out and he's like touching this and that and he's looking at these readings and only he knows what those numbers are supposed to be, like what they're actually supposed to be. Other people may think they know what they're supposed to be, but you don't really know because you didn't design the circuit and you don't know about all of the things that he had up here. So it's like, you know, you can like, I don't know. It's not like Legos, you know what I mean? It's not like, it's not fucking, you know, connect the dots. It's like those early Klon Centron pedals, you know, the Centaur pedal, you know, everybody tried to copy that. They're not the same. That's just all there is to it, you know, and so capacitors and everything change. Companies change that makeshift, tube company, everything. So it all is fluctuates and that that's the the chase of tone. How about how about strats? You got any old great vintage strats like slab boards and stuff?  There's a 58 over there, three-tone sunburst hardtail. These things sound great. Hardtail, only thing I ever do is I always put graph tech saddles on because I break strings with those old school, you know, original style saddles. I just, I always break strings with them. But these hardtails are underappreciated, but you know, when you got the strings going through the body, that's a whole different level of resonance, you know, and those strings are like connected. They're more connected to the actual body of the guitar. I love the hardtail. If you're not messing with a tremolo ever, man, why not have the hardtail? I mean, tellies are God, but you get the strapped body and the pickup configuration, but with the telly strings through the body vibe. I mean, I feel they're fully underrated. Yeah, absolutely. Everybody wants the tremolo, but that's a special sound, you know. It feels like it gives it a little more tension on the strings, you know, so you do have to deal with that. I mean, I feel it more because I play 11s, 11 through 58. So I play thick enough strings where you're going to feel, you're really going to notice it. But you know, it's like, it's worth the, it's worth the extra effort for sure. Tell me what it was like to first play with the double trouble guys. I know Whipper plays on the new record and he tours with you and stuff, but the first time you play with them, it had to be just surreal, right? Yeah, man. I mean, the first time I played with them, well, I was like, was that 15? I think I was 15. I don't know if I'd signed my record deal yet, but I had a gig down in Antones in Austin, Texas. And so we got the opening slot. Bill Carter, this guy that he's an awesome guy. He wrote, you know, like Willie the Limp and I think he was one of the co-writers on Crossfire and stuff like that. So Bill Carter was, had the gig at Antones. They booked me to be the opener. And Chris was playing drums with him that night. So I guess Bill showed up and saw my set or part of my set or whatever. And then he came up to me and asked me if I would sit in with him. And I'm like, and then I found out Chris was in the band.  And so he called me up on like the second song and then never told me to get off the stage. So I played his whole show with him and they set me up. I was right by Chris, you know. And so I was just jamming back there with Chris. I mean, it was just amazing like dream come true for me. And as first time I met Chris, first time I played with him, got his phone number. And that's how we reached out to him when I was going into the studio to do my first record and asked him to come play drums on it. But what was so cool about that night is Bill Carter came up to me after the gig and I was like thanking him for letting me get up and play with him and stuff. And he handed me some money. I don't remember how much it was. Maybe it was a hundred bucks or 50 bucks. I don't know what it was, but he handed me some money. And I'm like, oh no, no, no, no. You don't have to give me anything like this. My pleasure. It's just incredible. He goes, let me tell you something, son. Somebody offers to give you money for playing music. You take it. And I was like, yes, sir. So that was the class act. Bill's a class act. You know, I met the whipper. I'm good friends with Bill Burry. He's like one of my best friends and we tour. We're about to do Madison Square Garden.   Here's my dream. And I'm all loaded. You know, I met the whipper at Bill's Christmas party and he had just finished recording this record that you are about to put out. And that was a while ago, man. You know, I guess you guys recorded an L.A. Yeah, we started it right before COVID. And we were doing a, we were, we were in the home stretch of finishing the record right when the whole lockdown thing happened. And so then, you know, there was still a little bit of work that needed to be done to it. So I just put it all on hold because, you know, nobody knew what was going to happen. And turns out it was a good idea because we didn't do anything hardly for two years. And, you know, I just knew it was not the time to put out new music. So we ended up, I had a live concert DVD that we put out called Straight To You Live. I thought that was most appropriate because then, you know, people can watch a concert in the comfort of their own home while everybody's locked up, you know what I mean? But if we put out new music, it was like, you know, that stuff would have been, it would have come out and they'd be over it and be waiting for something else. And we would have never got a chance to actually tour for that record. So it was good that we held on to it. So then we ended up finishing it up and finally getting it out this year. And there's, and there's two albums actually. So this is volume one, Dirt on My Diamonds volume one. And then there's Dirt on My Diamonds volume two that we don't have an official release date. It's finished. We just haven't chosen the date yet. But I would, I would, if I was assuming anything, I would think it would be this time next year that one will come out. Now, you guys recorded in LA, what studio were you at? You know what? I really should, I really should, should be able to answer that question, but I cannot remember the name of the studio. And I've done several interviews now and I never, every time I do an interview, I cannot figure the name of that place. But the reason why is because they tore it down anyways, like the studio doesn't even exist anymore. So the name doesn't even matter because you couldn't go there and make a record if you wanted to, because they, they, when we went in there, they said, this is going to be the last album ever recorded at the studio. This building's being torn down. It's been, it's been sold and they're going to tear it down and build a high-rise condo. And that's that. So at the end of the day, it doesn't matter, but it was a good studio. It served a purpose. We have fun making a record there. There you have it. And you, you moved from California. Where are you living now? I'm in Tennessee. We're, we're south of Nashville, loving life. You know, I, I did, my first 21 years, I was Louisiana. Then I, the next 22 years I was in, you know, California. And now it's, I don't know, maybe the next 22 will be in Tennessee, but we're really happy here, man. You know, and we have a big family. My wife and I, we got six kids and just a great, we're out in the country and it's a great place to, to raise a family. Six kids. You should have bought the Brady Bunch house. No, right? We got our own Brady Bunch. Yeah, yeah. Well, hey man, I really appreciate talking to you. And I listened to the record. It sounds fantastic.   And I saw you guys years and years ago in San Francisco at the Warfield, man. Like, I mean, I think it was the blue on black record, you know, that's how long ago I saw you at the Warfield. And I remember when I was watching you guys, I was like, oh, can he wait at the time? Oh, he doesn't sing. It was, to me, it was like Nugent or Robin Trauer, like, oh, they got a singer.  Yeah. What, last question, what makes you choose that you're going to sing one and no one's going to sing one? Well, it's really like, you know, whose voice is better suited for the song, really. I mean, for me, I'm not precious about any of it. I mean, especially because, you know, for years, I didn't even sing any of the stuff anyways, right? So it's like, it's, I'm totally fine. If I can't, that's how I got to wound up hiring somebody else to sing in the first place is because when I was a kid and I saw my record deal and I picked up the guitar and played the guitar, everybody talked about how I played beyond my years. You know, when I played guitar, I sounded like an old soul.   Yeah. And that was not, that was not the, I did not sing beyond my years. And that was not the voice that I heard from my music. And people were pressuring me to sing. And I still to this day maintained that if I would have allowed myself to be talked into being the lead singer in my band at that time, that I wouldn't have had the success that I've had up to this point. And then Noah came on the second album, and he did, he's done an incredible job. And then I started singing on the fourth album.  I sing essentially half, and he sings the other half, but it's really boils down to whose voice is better suited for the song. Because believe it or not, I mean, Noah can sing just about anything, but there are, there have been some songs where there's just a certain kind of like, I don't know, I think it boils down more not so much to singing as it does personality. You know what I mean? Because we have very different voices. Yeah, you know what I mean? It's just the delivery. And so I think a lot of that comes out of personality. And so sometimes my personality is better suited for the lyric or for the song. And then sometimes his is, and sometimes his voice is just the right voice for that song. And so it's on a case by case basis. Well, I got to tell you, man, it had to be an honor probably for Irving is off to sign you, man.  So hats off to him for taking the chance for a guy that didn't sing. You know what I mean? He's off guitar playing, and that's the kind of sense that that man has. And here you are 30 years later, so still killing it. So thank you so much and hope to see you out there, man. When you come to town, I'm sure I'll be seeing you somewhere LA or somewhere out on the road because I talked to Chris quite a bit and it'd be great to come see you again. It's been so long. Right on. Yeah, well, absolutely. Just let us know. All right, man. Thanks for doing the show. And when's the record out again? One more time? November 17. November 17. They got some videos out right now. And you got an Instagram or anything? Yeah. I think it's, I don't know if it's Kenny W. Shepherd on there. If it's Kenny Wayne Shepherd. I think it's Kenny Wayne Shepherd. Facebook. Facebook and Instagram. That's kind of where we reside the most. You know, I'm not the best of social media. It's like I resisted that stuff for a real long time. I'm a pretty private person, but it's actually a really great tool. It's good to keep engaged, directly engaged with your fans. All right, man. Thank you. Thanks for doing the show. Yeah, brother. Thanks. I'll see you later, buddy. All right. Have a good one.


I got you. Well, let me ask you a question. Do you have a real estate agent that you want to quit if you did plan to buy or sell anything in the future? She's out like clout, boy. She's out like clout, boy. She's out like clout. I'm excited to say the least. Today we have my guy, Adrian up in Cape Cod, Massachusetts. What's up, buddy? Hello, hello, hello. I'm good. How are you doing? Good, man. So who are you calling today? Today we'll be calling Geoleds. Okay, Red X Geoleds. Are you going to be single line, dialing, triple line, dialing? We'll be just a single line. Okay. Okay. And what price range is this? We'll be between 300 to 600. Is it waterfront? Is it golf course? Tell me about the subdivision. The area where I, where am I? It's, we have water. We have ocean on both sides. It's like a, not like an island, but it's like a limb and we have water on both sides. So obviously the property that are closer to the water are more expensive. The average price for this county is around $400,000. Cool, man. Well, look, without further ado, let's get that phone ringing. I want to hear that sucker dialing. I want to hear people saying hello. I want to hear people hanging up on you, cussing you out. Why in the F? Why in the F are you calling me? I have people report me to FDI, so I'm not scared anymore. Okay. All right. Well, I'm going to hit starts now. Okay. This is an agent. Good. Good. Call him and see what he thinks about the market. Network, baby. Network. Build them relationships. The only people I don't call is the police and the town here. Go ahead and call them. Go ahead and call the police. They need to sell houses too. Hi, is this Mr. Brown? Hi, this is Adrian, the experience of Cape Cod. How are you doing today? Good. Good. Me too. I'm just enjoying this weather. Wasn't it gorgeous today? Good. Hey, look, I'm not going to take up too much of your time. The reason why I'm calling you today is because of property down the road for you just sold. And I didn't know if there's anything in the world I can do for you. A property down the road from you just sold. And I didn't know if there's anything in the world I can do for you. I'm not selling the house. No. Good. Because that's not what I'm calling. I'm just calling to see if there's anything in the world I can do for you. He's hanging up. What you should have done there, man, because I saw it like I felt you losing him.  And like I could tell what direction that call was going in. And when he was like, when he said, do what? Or whatever he said right there. When you were like, I was just calling to see if there's something I could do to help you. And he was like, do what? Right? When he said that, I would write there that moment. I would have realized that he didn't understand that I'm a real estate agent calling to see what I could do to help him. And so I would have literally, you were like, yeah, house down the road souls, call to see if I could help you in any kind of way. And by his reaction, what you should have picked up on and said was, I'm sorry, man. Listen, here's the deal. I'm a real estate agent locally here in Cape Cod. And I was just letting you know that a house sold. And I wanted to just see if you knew about that and see if there's anything in the world I could do for you. See what I'm saying? Is this Mrs. Riley? I'm sorry. I can't hear you. Is this Mrs. Riley? This is right. No, who's calling? My name is Adrian. I'm with EXP, the Realty of Cape Cod. I'm looking for the property owner located on 117 C Avenue. Where's the armament? Yep. And where are you from? I'm from Cape Cod. I'm a real estate agent, a local real estate agent in Paris. You're looking for a real estate agent. So what do you want? Well, I was just giving you a quick call to let you know that a property just sold in your neighborhood. And I didn't know if there's anything in the world I can do for you. No, I'm not strong. Thank you. I got you. Well, let me ask you this. Does it... She hang on. See, I think that there's a slight, like there's just a little bitty tweak that you could do right at the beginning. You know what I mean? Right at the beginning that could make this whole thing like go, go better. Like listen, dude, listen to me. It's all in the first 1.7 seconds.  Hi, is this Ms. Doreen? Is this Ms. Doreen? No, this is Bob San. Did you want to meet with Ms. Doreen? Yes. I was looking for Ms. Doreen. Okay. I will gather your information. So I would just message for Ms. Doreen. What are your names? My name is Adrienne. I'm a local real estate agent and I was looking to see if there's anything in the world I can do for her regarding her property on CV Avenue. Brazil. Okay. Okay, you need to have yourself a good day. I'll read your message. Thank you. Thank you. All right. That was weird. She was serious about getting that message to whoever that was. She was, she was serious as a heart attack, bro. Hey, Richard. What? Is this Richard? No. I'm sorry. I'm looking for the property owner for the property located on 15 mushroom pads in West Yarn. Okay. Well, I'm a local real estate agent. Is there anything in the world I can do for you? I'm a local real estate agent. Is there anything in the world I can do for you? So whenever they say who and then if they say, no, not Richard, right, we know that they're not the property owner of that property at that time, right? Okay. So now we're completely wasting our time saying, well, are you the owner of whatever, whatever? They're just going to say no again, right? Okay. So, so when we get into it, when we get to the wrong number, say, and they say, no, not Richard, say, okay, cool, well, look, I'm a local real estate agent. Are you looking for a good real estate agent? Just right then and there, man. Just say, okay, well, I'm sorry. Well, listen, here's the thing. I'm a local real estate agent. Are you looking for a good real estate agent right now? Boom. See what they say. Hello. Hey, Debra. Hello. Hi, Debra. Yeah. Hi, this is Adrian with the Experiality of Cape Cod. How are you doing today? I'm good. I'm all set. Thank you. I got you, but I'm not. What did I do wrong there? Yeah, just talk a little slower, man. I mean, you didn't do anything wrong there. Some people are just going to hang up. You know, we can't look like I do want to look at every situation and say, okay, what can we do better? And most of the time it is us not making them feel comfortable. But at the end of the day, that's not true every time. Sometimes there's just people that are going to be mean and hang up. But I like how you open that up because you said, hey, Debra, I like that. I like that. And then here, here, okay, here's what I would say to help you with, okay, because that part was good. And then I think where you lost or was when you said the next part, it was all jumbled up in there.  Hey, Debra, Ricky Caruth with EXP Realty here in Cape Cod. How are you doing today? Okay, see how I broke it up and spaced it out? Okay, that makes sense. Hey, I'm looking for the property owner for 21 Barnas Lane. Where's the owner? Nope. All right, I got you. Well, my name is Ed. I'm a local real estate agent. How are you doing today? I'm not in the Cape. Oh, you're not in the Cape? All right. Well, do you need a real estate agent where you are? We're there. I might be able to recommend you something. I got you. Well, thank you so much for your time. Yeah. See, there you go. There you go. You're kind of getting in a little groove there, man. Kind of getting in a little groove. But you interrupted her because you were like, well, do you need a good real estate agent where you're at? And then she started talking and then you're like, because I could probably recommend you somebody. It's like, just let her talk. Okay. Just let her talk. Hi, this is Mrs. Walsh. Hi, this is Adrian with EXP Realty of Cape Cod. How are you doing today? This is Adrian with EXP Realty of Cape Cod. How are you doing today? Good. Good, good. Me too. Just enjoying the weather. Wasn't it beautiful today? Yeah. Good. Good. Hey, look, I'm not going to take up so much of your time. The reason why I'm calling you is because the property in your neighborhood just sold and I didn't know if there's anything in the world I can do for you. Oh, no, never. I got you. Well, let me ask your question. Do you have a real estate agent that you want to quit if you did plan to buy or sell anything in the future? Hello? She's out like clout boy. She's out like clout boy. She's out like clout. Hey, I'm just, I'm just helping you here. I want you to go back and watch this video. Here's just another tip. You should go back and write down stuff that you should watch this whole thing like three times and write down notes. Hi, this is Adrian with EXP Realty of Cape Cod. How are you doing today? Who are you with, sir? I'm with EXP Realty of Cape Cod. How are you doing today? Good. Good. Me too. Just enjoying the weather. Wasn't it gorgeous today? Not bad. I know, right? Well, look, I'm not going to take up too much of your time. The reason why I'm calling you is because the property down the road just sold and I didn't know if there's anything in the world I can do for you. I just bought my house a few years ago. Good. Well, do you have an agent that you will work with when you do plan to sell it or buy another one? Well, what about when you buy another what about when you buy another one? Do you have an agent that you work with? I got you. Well, thank you so much for your time. You have my phone number. If you ever need anything, feel free to reach out. All right. Appreciate it. Thank you. That was beautiful, bro. Beautiful. Okay. Straight up. Straight up. That was like a complete 180 from the first call. The communication was right on point. The only thing I would have said, the only thing I can say to critique you on this one is that there at the end, you did have a little bit of rapport with him and you could have still went for the email at the end, but I don't even care that you didn't go for it. I was so happy with the way that you were communicating with him. You know what I mean? You were slowing down. You were more relaxed.  I wouldn't say you were like, you definitely got, still have some room to improve, but wow. That was like night and day, bro.


Welcome to All Hands Update. I'm Petty Officer Ian Cotter. These are your headlines from around the fleet. The 2014 Warrior Games began at the U.S. Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs, Colorado, September 28th. 39 sailors are participating in the fifth annual Warrior Games. Team Navy is competing against athletes from the Air Force, Army, and Marine Corps in seven sports. Destroyer Squadron, or DESRON-15, worked to restore the Surface Readiness Effectiveness Measurement, or SURF-RAM, program during Exercise Valiant Shield 2014. Re-establishing the SURF-RAM program will help in the development of tactics, techniques, and procedures in surface warfare technology and increased mission readiness. The program was created in the early 2000s but was discontinued due to budget cuts. SURF-RAM relies on data collected over time through a series of tests, mission sets, and real-world analysis.


So my beautiful people, I am back with another Alder Ring video and today guys in this video I'm going to showcase you how you can get this amazing, incredible locking gear set, complete armor set. It's known as the Royal Remains and it's relatively straightforward. Today I explain all. How's it going guys? My name is DPJ and if you do enjoy the video, leaving a like really helps out and if you like what you see and want to see more be sure to subscribe. Okay so this gear set as I know many people are after armor that after full sets they want to look good at the same time. This basically accomplishes both and it's relatively straightforward to do. Okay so if you rest at any grace outside of Lime Grave you will unlock this round table which you've probably already done. Anyway so that's not of importance right now because we need to come back here later on and what happens is we'll be invaded. We're killing an enemy here and we get this armor set but it's basically as straightforward as that. But firstly we need to obtain a medallion. The medallion is why we're being invaded so this is what you gotta do. You gotta come to this spot right here which is a little bit of a weird one to get to. A lot of people are confused about how you get to this while explaining and showcasing it. It's called the village of the albino.  Useless at pronouncing things. Okay so to get here we're actually going to come here first because this is probably a place a lot of people have already unlocked. If you haven't just come up this main path because you actually start the game here guys.  Come to this one here highway south and go north east west. Go west people west you hear that. Come here and then we'll go from here guys so I can show you exactly where you gotta go because like I said this place can be a little awkward to get to. It can be a little awkward to get to.   Okay so I'm back where it should have been so if I mark this area so if I just mark that you'll see that the actual marker is in that general direction over there and if we have a look you're like well how do you get up there? Actually guys you ain't gotta get up there you gotta get under that so let me just I've got another marker somewhere where is that let's do my heading get rid of that. So we've got to literally travel across to this so this is where you gotta go so I'll pull out your mount and you want to go this way this way this is from a grace that I told you guys to go to and you want to run all the way around just like so but yeah as you can see guys this arm set is amazing amazing I've made quite a few locations to weapons there is certainly a first we want to see more let's check out my channel and if you haven't already make sure you subscribe people make sure you subscribe hey oh okay so keep coming around this way just keep the cliff side on your left it's all you gotta remember just keep that on your left and we are all good and we are all we don't even bother stopping to fight any enemies none of that if you see something shiny I'll excuse you if you want to pick it up yeah so keep this on your left it's always on your left people and you see this here this massive cliff phase we want to go under that under that so keep coming forward now keep going forward again yes doing tires in you want to go on slay them but no don't do it don't do it okay so just come here we'll pull out my torch here because it's a little dark under here you want to see what you're doing so yeah just keep coming forward guys avoid these giant crazy ass looking crabs and again keep the the rocks on your left so stay stay stay next to this stay next to this wall let's keep coming around this way hope you don't pin me oh no we're good we're good and then guys we want to come up here this is the way up it's literally justice and if I tell you it's so dark so a lot of people probably miss this as well so come around this way missing a lot a lot a lot of materials here and then you want to guys activate this grace here so you want to activate this grace here so from this group grace guys yeah you want to run up this hill as you can see me doing unscrew now now there's an annoying dude here like a sorcerer who can be a bit of a pain in the ass I mean you can take him out if you're high enough level otherwise just kite him away guide him away and then at the very top guys there's like a like a basket urn kind of things if you hit that an old dude will appear out of it if you speak to him and keep speaking to him he will give you a medallion now this is the medallion that you need so once you have that medallion guys simply then head back to the round table bottom left corner of the map the table of the lost grace now once you are in here you'll be invaded guys and now it's a simple ass just slaying this dude now I will say he isn't well for me I had trouble at first I'm not gonna lie I had trouble at first but after that I just absolutely bad and I just got the gist of the way moved I mean you can die numerous times here isn't my just keep going back to the round table um so yeah the slaying and then he will give you well yeah you'll actually get a loading screen first and then he will give you I can't believe what it's called actually I think they're called other clinging bonds yeah it's clinging bonds then guys just run around this corner as I do and if you didn't realize there used to be a actual NPC here this is actually the NPC I believe that a texture and once you scroll there guys you pick up the full remains armor set and guys it is as simple as that and I hope the video helped you out I really do now like I said if you guys want to see more uh out of the ring make sure you subscribe if you never want to miss a video it will always turn those notifications on um but you guys I appreciate the support uh dropping a like really helps me out and hopefully my beauty for people I will see you on that next one