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Hey man We in Dallas, Texas man, and how cool is it that we get to sit down with my guy? 6-3 a.k.a. the Roe music a how to switch it up now at 6-3 The Roe music is in the building. Yes, sir. What's going on, man? I'm good, man. How you doing, man? I'm good, man, man I got I got to say it man like man you one of them guys that I get excited about when I get the interview because I know the History of the city man everything that went on the word of music just you know pivoted at you know platinum You're platinum artist. You know what I'm saying so man. Hey 15 years. Yeah anniversary ice cream paint job in the first album in the first Man congratulations, man. I appreciate it man. You know, I'm trying to be on my LeBron James right now About that longevity Wow, I'm it with it. It can never be old that song and anybody you mentioned to oh, yeah That's what the guys just said Ice cream paint job Yeah, so that's crazy man like Yeah, they broke that what he said that's exactly what he said California really show love with that Along with a few other records get big wire to the T That was really you know, I said showing a lot of love and really embraced me, you know out there So I anybody that be coming from that West Coast and I just be having a special love for them Because I know how much support they gave me and then obviously over the last 10 15 years I've been living back and forth. So I really understand that LA culture that that Cali culture. So I Love her in it. Wow makes up what makes a city like Cali embracing artists. That's not from out there. Is it when? You do a certain song is it a beat that you use that's more like their style of beat or what is it? It's the combination of everything. It's like that's part of it. You know their tempo, you know, we don't we on different tempos Which was kind of hard. It was kind of hard for me to understand at first I blew up in California right being a Texas artist at that time and even now just musically the tempo is already different So it's different sounds everywhere everywhere across the country across the world But it's a big distinguishing tempo difference between Texas and Cali and what I mean by that is just what people are accustomed to You know people accustomed to a certain BPM and tempo out there on the West Coast and vice versa out here in Texas That's completely different. So that's part of it. And then you know, it's just the sound and then you know One thing that it was things that are similar between Texas and California to like car culture, you know You know the car coaches are different but car coaches a big thing in both Texas in California Yeah, so when that sign came out and the visuals and stuff came out They really you know gravitated right that point as well.  You know look at those things when you're making a song So, yeah, I actually No, I do a lot of different things I already was one of the artists even back then that I liked it rapping on up tempo beats as well as slow beats So I used to experimented on that anyway on my mixtape So I was I was already kind of doing that So but yeah, I do sometimes have a mindset of when I'm making projects and music like you know I ain't been out to the West Coast a while I give my producers are either my producers out here or my producers out there and I just be in the mindset of you know What I need to make something that I know Cali gonna rock with you They're gonna naturally vibe to I'm still be who I am and be me But I know what they like exactly so sometimes yeah, I do do that because your fan base is out there You don't want to disappoint now for sure.  Yeah star baby But you had a lot of stuff on there and then then your father, you know passes away sudden Rest in peace.  You and your dad were real close Yeah, yeah, we was and I think that was something I knew I felt that the way you close to those pictures You know what I mean? So man, I just know that, you know You're not both know what he would have wanted and the way that he would have wanted things So I know that even drives you more, you know, I'm sure and I think that's heavy, right? Yeah What helped you over that hump? Man, that's a lot of things First of all, you know me just knowing my pops my pops was a real He was a hustler. He was a he was a person with a strong mindset.  He was so he was already Actually do it first you don't think so because I thought that you know, uh, you know, sometimes you You you don't know how people really feel until you know, you know You go through these situations and but when I really realized that my pops really stood on this and really felt that way I mean it was conversations we had when you know before he passed You know him just talking about him getting ready to pass and how he wanted me to carry and he having this in a in a Strong voice and a strong spirit and you know me it's hard I'm almost about to break down but at the same time seeing him strong for real and I could tell it wasn't mass And it was just like he really liked this, you know, and that helps a lot You know, so with meals my first time ever going through something like that was somebody so close Obviously, I've lost people before but you know, nobody's really closer than your parents in the hour clothes Oh, yeah, the reason why I ask you that because um, I think I've been doing that for the past I want to say six or seven years. I've been telling my kids. I said, baby And the reason why I do it not just to say like that meaning and really try to implement that in their head Because I've had a friend who her son when he lost his first close person, which was his Grandparent he all actually like had a mental breakdown like like really affected him to a point where he couldn't function for a while and Me witnessing that was a case where I'm like, I don't want to leave my kids handicapped in that way Yeah, so and when I ask her she's like we've never spoken about death to him before at all ever because parents People don't want to talk to their kids about death. Nobody wants to talk about death You know what I mean or even to their loved one to say, how do you want, you know, do I want to be buried? Do I want to be there's nobody want to talk about death because not to say that you think you're gonna live forever But you know, they don't want to talk about because I feel like they think that if I talk about it It's gonna come quicker. Yeah, you know, yeah, but it's just preparation. So I try to tell my kids Let me tell you this is what I want you to do with this ever happened to me I'm not I'm not talking about burial or none of that stuff.  I want you don't let this affect you because this is life is a cycle Yes, you know what I mean?  Yeah, you know What I mean, and that's how my pops was like, I know I just know my pops in his mindset like he definitely want me to keep going and grinding and I know he wouldn't want me to be in a phase of energy that Don't help promote the family and exactly in that type in so I have to Become what he was to the family. I have to become that, you know, and I already knew that but once it happened Then you know it changed the whole thing So I really just really going to that space for a minute But just me knowing my pops and knowing it really helped me be strong because I know he was strong the whole time He was the one going through this. He was the one sitting. He was the one in pain. He was the one transitioning Yeah, he went through that, you know, so it's like how can I really feel? You know, obviously, I'm hurt and you know, I'm sad about it, but at the same time How can I not be as strong as he was when he was the one going through that and I was there the whole time You know and saw it so that helped me actually be strong through the process and be strong for the family and just know my past mindset knowing that he would want me to be strong and he was strong at the same time and I mean, he was prepared, you know And if he was going through a lot of pain and he was sick in the end So just saying him be able to get past that I was that's a that's a relief for me to know that he was able to get past that That part where he was actually in a lot of pain and a lot of Suffering and you know to see him go through that and know that he's not in that no more That also helps a lot too. Wow, man, you know, one thing I can say man is When when it go going back to the music like, you know, Dallas and just the area we in the South like what are you seeing when it come down to The music are you liking what you see? You got this four bats guy shout out You got big eggs. You got D baby in in the new I'm talking about the newer wave people. Yeah, man. That Mexican OT You got these guys. Yeah, these new people man. So it's like What do you? What do you think about the way that the music is moving when it comes to the new of the newer type? I think it's a lot of good artists out there. You know, that's more R&B, right? Yeah, I guess you can put that in front and R&B, but you know some of those names your name I think it's a lot of good artists out there with good flows. They bring in Some newness to the game. Some of them are are are bringing I like what big X and Mexican OT you're doing when it comes to being Texas representatives, you know, I'm saying and bringing that energy and doing the thing on way The four bats I've heard a couple songs few songs. He's really new. He he real new so I can't really take Kanye My song my song so he in a good space I just haven't heard enough yet to really be able to like dissect that but so far so good like the music sound good And I'm a music person first. I like the way stuff sounds. So right now I'm seeing it good. Like, you know people making good music. Can you making good music and you got good character? Like you you cool with me like I'm wow. I'm on I just like I said I just look at those as the newer wave guys, you know, am I right on there? Yeah, is it anybody else that I leave anybody out from Dallas?  I mean, it's a lot of people in their space But I think they're more they're more on the mainstream be on the mainstream space. That's from here. Yeah, so yeah I think I hit it. I think I hit it because I'll be trying your mode So I'm trying to make sure I don't just miss nothing, you know, like niggas and they go He don't know you don't say I want to make sure I stay in the know or either find out through somebody You know, I mean, yeah So I think like like when I think about you and the move and the way that you move How important is it for a person and you'll know this like to get that big song? Like to have that big song.  You know I'm saying they're in a space to where that's the only thing That's they need to do or or that's something to check out the list.  You know, it depends on what size some some artists May not ever have those type of records, but they could have Still have a great career long career or even bigger career You know, so that's all in the structure of how you are as a songwriter and an artist itself So, you know, but yeah, they definitely in the space. So the four bats that he's having a type of them type of records The way he's looking like he's there. Yeah, he's having those type of records, you know OT and They're more in that that mid lane to where it's more of them just being consistent Dropping stuff and being about the courts and how they move and this and that and And definitely they should be trying to check out that out the box box that after check it off the list of making a big record Because that's how they would need to get into that super duper mainstream space and I don't like use word mainstream I'm just saying like in that in that space that you're talking about. Yeah Yeah, but at the end of the day, man, they they're in their own way and and they you know They being who they are so that's really actually more important You get into that space being who you are doing what you're doing and not trying to force that you get a sin Yeah, cuz you know that there are levels like when you look at the from Travis Scott to Whether it be beyond saying them or whether it be Megan It's their own levels post Malone Drake. We know that there are levels. That's all I'm saying are these great artists Yeah, they the dopest artists and they young and they coming with it But I'm just saying you got you can't ignore the levels. Yeah. Yeah. Am I right? Not facts You can't you can't you know, but at the thing about levels is That's almost a decision between you as artists and you and your team of how far you want to take it, too Okay, you know because you can be at a level and if you Consciously want to get to that next level you can do it, you know, I said But it take a lot to do that some able look some artists a cable of doing that some ain't and some don't necessarily try to do That and some shouldn't do that It's really more about being the character and who you are more so than anything and if you can fit that in And to cuz you don't ever want to go up to that next level not being who you are because you can you get that actually happened And they won't be as comfortable. It won't be as fun Even if you haven't success to the outside world So I think when it comes to like the big extra plugs and OT It is more about them being comfortable with who they are and if they look at the next level As a next level then they should be trying to get there the way that they are and expanding on who they are Then you know cuz sometimes you have situations like that where people come force it, you know, which can't happen But sometimes in a long run, that's not the best way to do it. Yeah, so, you know, yeah, I think but I think collectively though I think they are doing some good stuff collectively for sure. Wow I Really really really loved the to hear Big X music bro. I can listen to it all day Then they could really nice flow is the cadence and he pick his beats, right?  So what talk to me? We got to go back to the 15 year anniversary ice cream paint Okay, so this is a whole rollout this whole anniversary is a rollout, you know It's not just you know about the song it's about it and turn it to a world itself So what I what I've got now shout out the road shop.com man shot at the road shop Company that I partner with I have always wanted to create a marijuana strain It's not an easy thing to do because we're doing it for real We're not just white labeling some tree that's already out and then saying it's this now We had to really grow we grow out with it, you know Grow it out in Oregon, you know I'm saying right now We were growing it out in Oregon and now you know We got the there's the shop is in Wisconsin and then we got Farm out here in Midland in Midland Odessa, you know I'm saying in Oklahoma, so we kind of everywhere with it But the the main main form is coming from oak from Oregon Wow Wow and we transported everywhere But we're we're doing two different things, you know, we're doing we're in the process of creating The TAC strain and we got the T HCA strain the TAC strain is Is the legal side and is how we able to sell it worldwide? You know I'm saying and it's ice cream paint job strain, so Ice cream paint job and It's it's on fire and then on top of that it's coming off the heels of this anniversary So we for the road is out, you know March 22nd is actually when we actually roll it out Yeah, yeah, and so I'm excited is that I decided are you about it? Yes, it's super excited because after we created the strain and created the labeling and you know Came up with the concept and everything or how we market it I actually decided to make a song for it. Wow, that's all and the song is actually ice cream paint job part, too So I got what I got what did you know I'm all right too much too much is who originally made the ice cream paint job be Okay, you know and and did you know most of my production in general come from them, too You know I'm sending in my Cali producer. I got four main producers Did you know I'm too much Q. Smith and God damn it debris. God damn it debris is my LA producer Those the four I mean I do some production with everybody when it comes to me But for the main part if I drop a project if I was to drop 10 projects 80% of that Production will come from them for producers. So with that being said I got too much indigene on together to create a 2024 version of that's all ice cream paint job. So it What When you come behind a song like ice cream paint job, yeah, people gonna have some big expectations man Did you even think about that? I thought about that for sure See, this is this is what I'm doing with it and this is what I did like I never try and you never try and compete with Classic, you know, you don't try and beat it. You don't try and outdo it, you know You actually kind of compliment it. So for instance, this track is a different Flow, you know, I come with a whole different flow on this track, you know, I changed the tempo of it I sped it up a little bit. I made I made it a sound. It's a little darker, but it sounds like the beat But it's a little darker No, I'm adding some drums so that it made it even harder And the way I'm on it or I'm killing it. You get okay, but I don't try and do re-create nothing on this song And the ice cream paint job obviously the original song is by Kars It's about we yeah, because I got an actual string, you know, I'm saying so it's It made sense for me to do this and I just felt Tom And I also want to start a trend with other artists, especially legendary artists and did it because I really think it should be a Lot of part twos or a lot of songs. Yeah, and I know people don't when you think about it You it's not do people have part twos to any So it's like that should be a thing because it's not like you should be trying to replace it Like this another replace ice cream paint job This is a dope record that you're gonna see one thing about ice cream paint job the original It was a fun song spring summertime. It made you feel away was fun This still gives you that feeling but it brings a new it sounds like if I made it in 2024 But the difference is like when I think about somebody saying a part two I'm thinking okay. You left me at sort of like a cliffhanger with your first song and then you continue it like a story like Like our Kelly or Kelly did his Yeah, but but then the thing about life is always a part two everything is a story everything It's like if you think of anybody any situation any audience No matter where they are right now and where they were it wherever they are right now is a continuation Updown whatever it's always a part two in everything in life. Yeah, it's about really bringing that and painting that picture So I really want to aspire that also with this type of record because I think it should be a lot of part twos of a lot of different records, but yeah, when I really thought about it I did think for me. I was like, should I really touch this but I was like, you know what I'm gonna touch this You know I'm saying do you smoke? Yeah I wouldn't even be doing a strain if I want to smoke. That's why I'm checking. I'm checking. I don't know So so so let me ask you a question with this strain that you did How many times did you like like with I never created a strand but like did you try? You gotta you gotta make this a little bit. Yeah So how could you describe your strain like cuz if you went back and forth like from the beginning How could you explain what it first started off at and what it is today? So I'm gonna talk about I'm not gonna talk about the TAC part yet because that part is a special part, but I'm gonna talk about the TAC a part Strain and how we did it, you know, yeah, we definitely went back and forth. See the thing about TAC is more like It's a it's a faster high. You get there faster for a time Focus, okay, you know like so let's just say you know how people can It depends on your tolerance to but just say you know how you could go somewhere and be stone Way say stone you out of there. That's more mostly what TAC weed that's strong And then you know some people can function out there some people can't but with TAC you get the same level high You get there faster, but it's shorter. It's a shorter high and you can able to function I come do this interview this this and that so going back and forth. You still want you want to get I like hybrids the most Yeah, yeah, I like guys, you know, well, so I like sativus and I like indicators Sativus are used one is a body It's an upper and more of a head high and the indicators more of a body high and you know, I'm saying, uh And I always like balance, you know, I said, so I like the macro sometimes like if I'm in the morning wake up in the morning I actually prefer a sativa in the morning, which a lot of people still like indica in the morning Really, I prefer a sativa in the morning, you know, if I if I'm choosing But it did do it throughout the course of the day and especially night time and just more and when I'm For the majority of time, I would rather have an indica then to keep sitting right because you want to relax Yeah, the hybrids I get both I get like what I like about sativa in the feeling I get I get there from a hybrid And I get so you get the best about worlds basically So doing that is how I did it, you know, and I wanted to Try different kind to see what was gonna make me actually have an effect that I like and it was the hybrid and we We got there. So it was a kind of like a So this is But it really wasn't because the people who I'm doing this with are professionals You know, I you know, tell them what I'm looking for and they and they was able to pinpoint it You get on saying so we didn't have to go too much into the trial and area once I found what I like, you know We did that so so this is the this what you're producing to everybody.  We can ship it to you anywhere else And you ain't got to worry about no police nothing Yeah, I worry about the stuff that you think you would have to worry about you know This is just like if you want to store about tequila How can you do that? And especially places like to Texas that it's not legal. Yeah, well cuz TAC a We it is legal The strain we got and the way we got set up now once again, so it's not Stuff I ain't gonna tell too much, but I'm also doing this with the best people that you can do this with We kind of ahead of a curve on what we're doing, but it's all legal So I don't know nobody think like we're doing some We're just ahead of a career. I'm dealing with been on this for years And you know, we step into the space where we able to be one of the first to do this, you know That's the case. What's the website that can go ordered from? roguexop.com You know I'm saying uh, and it's ready when it so the ice cream paint job strain By the time y'all see this because I don't want to throw a date after right it's gonna be out You know I'm saying and yeah, so you you go to but also Go to road shop.com because they got a whole lot of other stuff, you know I'm saying so it ain't even me about promoting them just because of my tree I don't try out any products, you know, and they really legit Metables, you know, I'm saying the the gummies the You know brownies the the tree everything they got, you know, I'm saying it is legit So road shop.com is uh, is the is the company man I see you you gonna be with your strand all the time I just want to tell you man.  We're coming up soon So the maverick anything anything in the city man with with the sports team. I'm locked in with them Wow, how many is that to keep that I mean you see people do certain things with certain people But to see you you in the longevity of being connected to the cowboys Yeah, you and mark cuban him being on your early videos and stuff like how big is that to keep the the the connection It's it's man for me. I try not to force it I just I just know that I'm a real natural cowboy and maverick's fan So I leave with that I will actually leave with me being an artist that represent the city first and when you Think about the cowboys and the mavericks. What's the what's what become before that their names The Dallas Dallas is before the mavericks and Dallas before the cowboys and I'm born and raised in the city So the teams, you know, I represent the city So it's a natural thing for me to just be natural and I'm a natural fan too playing sports and being Growing up a cowboys fan and maverick's fan. So the longevity part come from me Not forcing it being who I actually am but also Potentially being in that space as well. So it's a combination of everything and that's I think that's more so the fact than me trying to because I'm always End up in rooms where these people are it and the energy is always going to come back to me because I I've actually been putting on for this place for a long time and still do it And it's just who I am. You know what I'm saying? Like it's just who I am my son named Dallas. You know, so you know, so like it's just I think the combination of all that is how do the longevity and how to longevity with them because it's real You know, I'm saying like if it was a person that was meant to do this for the city I've come to find out that that's who I am. You know, so Wow, I want to ask you about like When I had kiki on here and he talked about uh, um, we talked about snoop dog When snoop dog came out and this was a while back But he did he did come out and he was talking about how the streamer the streamer one paying like it should and Look he had a different take on it because one thing he said was the fact that We didn't understand because we don't understand the streaming But he was like we don't understand how cassettes was made. We didn't understand how the records was made But he still say that there's benefits to having this music today because when you roll it out You get to go do shows you get to go do a lot of stuff if you roll it out correctly So it's the same to for kiki. It was just he feels like it's the same No, and he read about that. So you you agree with that as well. You know, you gotta figure it out, right?  So it balances out. But you you have to be The the person and the artists and have the team to put yourself in a position to do that You figure it out like you say and you and you really just you really got it That's why you really have to do this from a state of Being passionate about the music if you're making good product and you really putting the work in It just always pay off, you know So as an artist instead of trying to Get scared when new trends come and this and that You just got to focus on Making music that you love and people love and and you're gonna get in those positions to where you'll be able to Balance out the other areas that you may was unsure about Yeah, because because snoop is the hell of a marketer himself. He's probably market better than anybody If he wanted to do music he can throw that out and still he gonna blow it no matter what I think when somebody like snoop is saying that I think he's really Fighting for the artist. I think in his own way. He's doing that more so for other people not necessarily I don't think snoop is in a space where he's Looking at this and he's really upset about oh, I'm supposed to be at this moment But I think you know, he knows people around him are feeling that way and he's in a high spot so he's kind of saying that outward to Look out for other artists and newer artists and Whether he's right or wrong about it. That's his intention I feel like when he's saying stuff like that, but little Kiki is actually 100 right about how you know His perspective of it. I gotta ask you about and you don't have to answer this or you can Or you can be true for you can lie about it if you want to Um, did you get those trump shoes?  You got something to look at clean I probably it ain't got nothing to do with trump and politics I probably just wouldn't buy them because it's just a lot of shoes. I wouldn't buy that I like But if if he sent them to me or somebody sent from a team. Oh, yeah, I will I will rock them If Joe Biden drops some shoes I don't really go into the space of like just not liking something because everybody don't like it and man I'm not that type of person like but at the same time, you know Unless I really feel that way now if I really feel that way and something happened that really not then Yeah, I'm just not rocking with you because I ain't rocking with you But if I if I'm just looking at the shoe value of it like those from shoes, they were like 400 for him I mean that ain't that bad And he had them before Like if his team gifted me those shoes, I would be lying if I said I wouldn't take them, you know But am I gonna go bomb more than likely probably not But even when you're talking about the shoes, you know, for some reason what I think about with that shoe I know that he designed it for us Yeah I see people talk about this this this the thing that people This was trump made people do respect about him. This is what he did do He ain't never tried to hide what people Won't him to hide or other people will hide He come out and say he will say that he did that like if he if he say he gonna do something to get the black vote At least trump will go out and say i'm doing this to get the black vote Now that part so that's the part you're right He didn't make that for the people that normally find him. We all know that But he trump plays on his celebrity. He's been a celebrity before he was a president So he he got a different angle of approaching his team or whatever, but you're right They definitely did that for that reason. Yeah, they definitely did that for right now So that's why I say like I'm just not a person where I'm lighthearted when in country I just don't get emotionally tired of a politics like that because it's a never in a cycle if you do You would never like one side all the way people who i've seen terrible stuff that joe bite the team done I've seen terrible stuff that trump did i've seen great things that came from both ends in different ways So i'm just never gonna tie myself to that it can be whoever the president and my mind is I'm gonna have to survive anyway, you know what i'm saying? It can be benefits for one side whatever, but you you don't know what it's gonna be You know what i'm saying? So I don't really get into that that side of politics where people get so passionate about I don't laugh it. I think it's funny when trump do Unintentionally racist stuff or intentionally racist I think they both funny because I would never let that hurt me anyway Just like if I see a racist out there as long as he'll put his hands on me I've been in a situation where I've seen somebody be racist and I genuinely thought it was funny not because Uh, I think racism is funny.  You know what I'm saying? So I'm just that type of person And it makes them more angry when you do that It makes them more angry. So when I see trump doing some stuff like that and he's catering I think that's funny in his own way even if he's intentionally do it or unintentionally doing it It's just like that's just a funny concept to me It's not going to make me personally go buy the shoes But at the same time like I say if if I if I went home and I had a gift box from the trump team I'm gonna I'm gonna keep the shoes like I ain't gonna lie. You know, you're right I gotta ask you this too and I know you probably don't want to talk about it But we you know you you met diddy and you've talked to diddy and y'all been Partners, you know what I'm saying and there's some pictures of you and did it together You videos with your meek meals is going through it right now for some of the videos some of the pictures Wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute Did he go where? To any of them after after parties You never did go to the party came and came to the city during our store weekend He showed me love on radio You know I'm saying and he showed uh, he came to my video shoot in Atlanta and was in on the remix and every type of Conversation or time we was ever in public. I mean ever together Y'all saying like broad public so I did it going through that because I don't know what's true and what's not true It's hard. It's hard on you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, because we all it's two things It's one thing we all know about it. We know he's one of the most successful pioneers and business people that we've ever seen especially in music Can't take that away from him. I've seen him do great things and I've heard bad things that about him I don't know what's true and what the decipher But at the same at the end of the day Whatever is gonna be if it's really if he really is this person they painted That's gonna Crumble anyway if it's not that then it's gonna you know I'm saying he gonna stay afloat And I don't know what agenda is going on somebody or after or whatever But I hate to see it to be honest Which I hate to see between what they're saying about him meek any end of because these are these are powerful artists of our time whatever they did whether they They did did he was behind A Biggie Smalls and a lot of other artists that impacted our whole way up. Oh, yeah, thinking you know I said so. Oh, yeah, I hope the things that there's a blood Yeah, I hope the things that they're saying about him is not true But at the same time like whatever whatever he got going on is whatever he got going on. So if it is true That's that's his situation. I can tell you right now. They they really not uh, they're not easing up on them on this Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, seriously moving towards whatever they want to say They got all these visuals and it's just a tough situation and it's hard to get around it when it comes okay hypothetically You and did he been around each other? It comes down to it hypothetically He's he's going through situation. He calls or they call you and say they need you to be a character witness for Diddy Do you go? Carries a witness or did he yeah, like to say hey, man, you know, I'm not that guy They're trying to paint the picture of me to be this is I'm just coming from the dome right now. Yeah, so this will be me. Uh Because I know that I honestly never witnessed a situation I wouldn't be scared about that.  Everything man. Diddy has ever done is on the internet Literally every single thing any type of interaction we've ever had from k-104 to I'm saying that when I was looking at to you know, any wherever it's all on the internet anyway, them the only Interactions I've had with them. So I wouldn't have no fear. I just tell them what I actually saw and what I know And that's how I would do it But it's so funny because it seemed like because even after the casket incident For me personally it seemed like everything started quieting down a little bit or leveling off where it wasn't so much of You know, diddy what's going on and all of a sudden these other It's like every time you start leveling out something else pops up somebody else comes out of the woodwork So it's just the crazy thing is like why didn't they all come out at the same time when cassey was coming out? Why you wait for it to be that part right there? That'd be the part right there And that's what that's what muddy this water because it's like that's what make you not know what's true or not because it's like You know anybody who's in any any position Is gonna have haters it could be just a time where okay, well Diddy didn't sign me or did he didn't do this or he didn't give me this or whatever This is a good time to jump on that or he said he cursed me out this time I know a lot of this is just people that's mad at them and or didn't like them for whatever reason This is a chance of attack, but then it could be some of that I ain't I would never put say that it ain't no it could be no true today It could be a lot of truth to it because I read something where it said that one of the young ladies Who was pressing charges or whatever? She was underaged at a time and she's trying to stay anonymous She don't want her name out there whatever But a judge is trying is about to rule or trying to rule to say that no if this goes to trial Your name is going to be out there and did his lawyers are also saying if if they're crucified me out public Why should you your name be secure so to say you're coming at me your name need to be out here as well You know, but I guess she don't want her name to be out there But if you come into this case and stepping into it and that's 100 factors Like if you go if you come to the case and you willing to put somebody's name and especially after so long and this and that you should You should be cool with your name coming out too. That will actually Make that will give me more clarity and people like me that got the mindset I got more clarity because I look at stuff like that too. It's just it just breathes more Trust and honesty when you able to do that when you're not it can easy look like okay. Well Y'all just want this man. You know look a certain kind of right And this is this the last thing I will say about that too a lot another thing that made me not believe so much of it is is Me being A public figure and being in the space of public you really can't hide much and I know dig Diddy's on a whole another level So all the some of the stuff they say Man, it's no way these things could happen without it come out in real time just because of you People move in these spaces and it's always Other people is always cameras distancing that some of the stuff I've heard just sound crazy because it's like Okay, if that really happened That would have came out in that instant. No, but then back then but back then in the social media Yeah, but yeah, they're speaking a lot of stuff back then. Yeah, that's what they are talking about a lot of stuff They're speaking on recent stuff too. Like I've just heard a lot of crazy stuff. So it's like it's one of things where you can't Some of it may be this somewhere be that so, you know, I just go we just gonna see how I play out Yeah, I keep hearing about the old stuff and I'm like, that's why they're coming out with all these old stuff But then you being a public figure How many times in the past have you, you know, um, a girl came to you and talked to you or whatever You'd be like, okay, let me see your id before I even talk to you. Yeah How many guys actually do that but some of these females come in looking older than their age Facts facts. I just got good discernment. I never had an issue like that And I was in a lot of spaces where things like that could have been the case Uh, it was situations where if if she even looked it like she wouldn't that we wouldn't even let them be around But you know having a good team and people around me I always had people around me who had had the same discernment I have or more So that's kind of part of it and then I'm never I was never like a loose Karen, I know what you're talking about. You know what I'm saying? I'm always mindful everything So navigating and I've avoided those situations for for those reasons alone and yeah, that's how You cannot beat the internet. Uh, my boy Shannon sharp from club shape shape Come out, you know this morning, you know, he had his green on one body. Nobody, you know Yeah, um Because I mean listen man. Listen all I'm asking is man Can you is it a thing or okay? Shannon sharp will make up one time, okay? And I and I like Shannon sharp another show when you say makeup you mean like on the show On the show where they made him up and it looked it's so weird to make up But he even said it he came out and did a show and said it was too much Like they got me wrong like a male makeup Yeah Then he's at the game with this The the stylist who is you know, who's uh, definitely from the lgbtq, you know Then he's uh, now he gets out the truck and he's I don't know who taking the picture of him But he's you know, he'll Shannon sharp trolling Or is this man? I can't I can't really I'm asking I'm asking both of y'all. Is he just something naturally just happening because he just had the biggest interview in There's no other interview There is no other interview on youtube that is more popular Then the cat with no other one has ever streamed a high. He passed up. Joe rogan who had 59 million He's doing he's at 60 not 60 million now and still going. Yeah So you're saying that he's trying to stay relevant. He's trying to keep doing stuff Is that what you're trying to say? I'm asking like I'm just asking. If that is happening, he is for that case He don't man. I'm not I think they just catch him in bad Because he just got out the car like that last video I saw I mean that's kind of trolling on the other end I saw what they saw but it wasn't like they just it looked like somebody just came out with the camera and just Caught him like that and he he he like showing off his muscles. So he's gonna have a little bit of stuff I don't really look at that But they make it sound like they make it sound like oh, no man going to be caught standing like that He's on the fly and I'm like, what are you talking about? Anybody can be caught like that Anybody can be caught like that. I remember I got caught up. We remember when you had my leg and yeah Things got a little difficult for us And they put it out there like oh look at him. The thing too is like what if you take a A video of anything you can freeze frame at any point and make anything look like anything Right, you know what I'm saying? I mean, you know, you when you steady talking and move It's so easy to do that So like when I I don't pay attention to stuff like that too because it's like You got people that just trying to make content for the internet and they know what people gonna react to I think that video of him that at least that particular one. I think that was more of that You know what I mean? I wouldn't want to get caught in that time It's a little funny, but it's just like I don't know that I don't think I know he not trolling because he he don't have him got a troll. You know what I'm saying? He'd be here to successful football career and he's having a successful. He's very successful. Exactly. I love the show, man You don't have to troll, you know, so I think they just catching them in a bad light and they putting it after But then again, that's what be happening too Like it just like it seems like when you start having that high level assist people just try and do that So he may be just going through that phase where he got to get past it because It looked like they just attacking. I don't know why people mad at Shannon short. No, but even before the cat Williams He did a he did a video I remember because this was the I think this was the first time I've ever seen him because I never really just saw You know look at Shannon sharp stuff. Yeah, but I saw this Real where he was in his kitchen with some food, but he had his dog in his hand I mean this is what I was in the comments talking about that With the like mail bags and the purses and stuff mean I don't knock people from doing it But that ain't my type of style anyway I Yeah, whatever I don't like the man purses and I don't like that. I don't know man But I wouldn't say if I saw a man with a man purge that he on the other side It's like I ain't that you know what I'm saying, but I don't like the man purge Me neither So I think the combination of all that the man purses and the little dogs and stuff like that It just don't help. You know what I'm saying? It don't help No, I just um Man, I don't know man. Like when I look at what's going on for us in this internet world, man Joe budden Joe budden said something about the ladies like the ladies music is kind of disintegrating like it's going away Like you see that like what do you think about that? I got to get you on that.  Yeah. Yeah. Now he was 100 right when he's not it's not the female rap going on because the What the legit is gonna stand if you legit female male Whatever genre races you gonna stand What he was speaking on was the the little starter kit or the little kit where you go get a quote on quote baddie And then you you you get a body done and then you put it in the studio with a big producer And some writers and y'all make a song and she got the image and then y'all can blow the song up And we've seen a lot of that happen He's talking about that error and and I and I 100% agree with that You agree with I 100% agree with that because it's oversaturated. It's oversaturated and then people The music ain't as good. You get I'm saying and After a while people get tired of those tricks and they just don't it don't hold and it don't really sell So I think that area for sure But the the the real ones it's a it's a females rapper. It's gonna stand You know I'm saying something that's just dope You know I'm saying that they gonna stand because they talented and and they got the other packages as well But just that whole little quarter that that kit where we're just gonna go get a baddie We're gonna make it look good and we're gonna write our song and then we're gonna put it with a big producer And then we're gonna put out with a big label. Yeah, I agree about that. I saw something that said, um and tell me how In what way do you think that this Is so because um, I saw where drake had posted and say that sexy red is his muse I didn't see that I saw it. I saw it early. Yeah, and so looking at her and her music and stuff like that. Can you see that? Can I see her being drake muse? Yeah, is he talking about from a real life standpoint from like he He just mentioned that he he didn't specify. Oh, he threw it out there. I think drake trolling I think he really like sexy red and mean like cool with her. Yeah I think he you know, he they them befriended each other and I think he really have really did that Uh, uh him her being his muse for real. I think he trolling You know what? I think I think he know that that was Whoever he trying to make fill away make a make them fill away I think that's what it is. I think it's more of a trolling type situation when you say like that But I think he really is friend. I think he really They cool together. Yeah, but can I get another song between you and sauce walker, man? Yeah, can you can you please get with sauce walker get with the roll? Y'all give me a whole I want a whole I'm gonna buy five six songs, man Yeah, I got another one for sauce to hop on to Our chemistry was crazy. I like this song I like sauce too.  Yeah, you like us Yeah, exactly. He rep texas. He you know, he he he rep houston. He loved Dallas Support texas and he really he doesn't support a lot of people from Dallas as well So that's the combination those two things why chemistry really came across because we did that record. It was flawless like So yeah, I think we actually will have more music in the future.  I know he gonna go in. That's gonna be real clean and crisp, man I got a question. So are you a vision board type of person?  Okay, and she has kind of that kind of rubbed off on me, you know So I I started seeing like the benefits of doing stuff like that, but now I'm a more I I do the same thing in my own way I accomplish that same goal in my own way most of time I set my goals in my mind and I really stick with my right I do write stuff down don't get me wrong I write stuff down, but the vision board and writing it out and doing that I'm just not coming into that space because uh because of my shorty, man. So yeah, uh, but I Respect it, you know, sometimes people can we just have it in your mind It can be overcrowded by other stuff that happens on a daily basis or whatever But when you actually have it on a board that you can see every day It's no way you can you know No, the reason why it's a good thing you you mentioned you're shorty Because I love to see all pictures y'all be looking so cute on social media and stuff like that But um, do you have like a a goal down the line to say, you know what by this age? I want to get married by this age. I want to Here we go. Here we go Yeah, you know me and don't like hearing that kind of stuff you put the pressure on it. So look Marriage is an energy, right?  You know I'm saying like, you know, we We live together now, you know, I'm saying uh, how long y'all been together We've been together Don't get it wrong now. She might We've been knowing each other since 2019 So we've been knowing each other for five years. Okay. We've been in a space how we've been for like the last year You know what I'm saying? But we've been knowing each other for a minute. Okay.  He answered it. How I got that nigga, man, uh He don't want to let a cat out of the bag. That's the thing Can I get a song from you and boozey, man? I'm just gonna ask you bro. I'm gonna let I went to boozey crib last year when he hit I remember boozey gone well and uh, I had Some we were supposed to get in and get some work done, but I didn't stay out there long enough He told me whenever I ready to work just pull up to the crib because you got studio there And I know that if I pull up, we're gonna get it done. So that's kind of on me It's just I need to get that done because I I got records everywhere and I do got like a folder where This folder It's literally called boozey. It's records. I do where I can hear boozey on And then, you know, I'm saying so I just got to go pull up on him and and I'm gonna make that a priority At some point for sure. Can we get I'm going back here Can we get baby on the new ice cream paint job part to Smoking and hanging out and having a good time. I call baby the other day I said we got to bring the car back because you know the original car was was was Yeah, yeah, and he still got it. I say for the visual we got to bring that back Which we're getting ready to shoot shoot soon. So That just remind me to follow up to see if we're going to do that or not. But yeah for show, you know, uh It baby don't smoke. So I doubt he'd be in there, you know, but I think he uh I think he'd be dope for the visual for show Can the roll get uh, uh some more artists from Texas and do something to where you could just basically have a Like a you know a round of applause for all these different artists is whether it be whether it be east, Texas Whether it be houston whether it be san Antonio. Yeah, whether it be, you know, I'm saying yeah Can you put something together like that for me? I'm working on star baby two. That's what star baby two is It's star baby two one was that in its own way But now star baby two is exactly what you just said So it's really me putting together You know the city and the people I like from the city and the people I like from the state On this project and we bring in, you know, uh, the Dallas boogie sound best You know I'm saying and we and we and we we in that space right now So one of my projects that I'm working on is literally that and that's how I can really say Can we get the road to come go back to gremlin prayer where prayer view? Yeah Do something down there walk us back through the history of who it yeah, I'm real fly Walk us all the way through documentary style. Let us know pretty much how he became Six three. I gotta yeah, I got a song called PV colors. I ain't released yet You know, I'm saying I don't know what project is gonna come out on but it's definitely on a six three project And uh, that would that would allow me to go in this space whenever I release this song Because I'm obviously how to shoot the video down there in some way and that vicinity and then I can I can implement that Do you think that that song would be good enough because you know your song? I haven't heard it yet That would be good enough to be even like a PV Anthem oh for sure one thousand percent. I made it to be that to be that Yeah, yeah, and you know I already when I drop get big that year that was literally the PV anthem They literally uh every year they they do the uh, hey cash. What's that cow? Every year, you know what I had an amp they step to uh at the hump days it'd be a song Oh the PV shuffle So they do a PV shuffle every year and it's they use us they pick a song and that'd be the song every year Wow So when I did get big that was literally that song and uh, it was something else they used to and they Of course they I may walk they walk in hollyberry and ice cream how that stuff was in that mix too So this is specifically for that reason.  I'ma just short term. I'm gonna put it in short because it's a little true I don't want to hear what you told him other niggas tell me the truth I mean the short this is both talk the short point and I'ma speak on it now Just cuz sexy red just sample this song. She just what yesterday She just put out some on her instagram and she's new she she said new music coming. She just sampled hollyberry Let's go tell me. Give me the breakdown. I got a lot. I got time. This is how it was man Shout out to superstars superstars from clean I was at PV I was popping that PV probably the hottest artist at PV. He had a lot of motion He approached me to get on the song We made the song at PV and we and we blew it up at PV And then I took it He had it going in clean. I took it to Dallas and blew it up I was doing a lot of shows at the time because I had walked that walk Walked that walk was not as big as it became it was still in the early form But I was doing a lot of shows getting booked all over Texas So I took it to Dallas Houston and I was doing a lot of shows everywhere. We blew the song up. It got huge It ended up hitting the radio It ended up being the biggest song in Texas, Louisiana, Kansas, Oklahoma, this whole little region Right. Why was that? Hurricane chris team His label was looking for him a new single It was like it's time to put out a new single They went to playing skills to get a beat from him playing skills Had just did a situation with superstar You know, I'm saying playing skills told hurricane chris label that hey, I got a record that actually, you know, he'll be good on You know, I'm saying he should hop on this. So he had hopped on a remix. They made and they uh Now when they did the remix, they just made a version It was them on there and they tried to take me off of it And I'm the one that blew the song up When that when the word got out you had the definition dj's at the time The definition tj's was who I funneled the song through to blow it up They was a big part of this song blowing up when they heard that it was a remix coming out without the row on it They was like, we're not playing it. Fuck. We're not on this song It it didn't get played and it died down and it just completely disappeared. So hurricane chris now, uh, but when that thing playing skills Went to them. It was like we should sell this song to hurricane chris. So they sold us on the hurricane chris I didn't sign off on it. They end up doing a deal um and long story short after that happened um where i'm at superstar Did his own situation playing skills and I didn't sign the playing skills. Wow I stayed my own artist. So they pulled me off the song And then they sold it to hurricane chris And then they blew it up and got he did it with his label I still it was on the paperwork So I still got the publishing and still stayed a part of it But I didn't fight it because I have a whole lot of other stuff going on Now this wasn't necessarily hurricane chris doing this It was just his camp in his team. It wasn't like hurricane chris said I want to do this There was aware of a big song and that's how that song end up The mainstream world know the version of hurricane chris, but it was already a mainstream hit in The southwest part of the country southeast part of the country And that's what happened with that record. Wow, but this was before Right after that in the midst of that happening My other song was taking off which was walk that walk You know, it blew up. So I was doing that this is pre ice cream paint job This ain't even came out yet. So I had my own success and I wanted to be my own I didn't want to sign the playing skills shout out to them Shout out playing skills They didn't have nothing to do with them I just wanted to have my own situation and be my own artist They make sense for me to do the deal and that's where it went left And a lot of stuff happened like that. Now, that's the short version of that That's the short version. Did you and hurricane chris ever speak or talk? Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, so we beefed for a little minute Oh, yeah, beefed. I was like it's on school now Yeah, we beefed because it was just misunderstanding on different sides But we ended up like seeing each other some years later. LA we squashed it You know, he just recently did an interview somewhere. I forgot where it was, but he basically Told the same story for the most part. Shouted me out. Shouted out superstar. We got over that But me when I was beefing it was before I wasn't even having the success I was having once I started having my own success. I swept that on It just it requires too much energy to beef. Yeah, I know you know about that It ain't even about that. It's just I literally had see now if I didn't have other stuff going on I probably would have been in there and fought through it and got what I really supposed to get Even though I got good on paperwork. It was a lot more I could have got out of it But why put that energy when I really was popping I really had stuff going on really had mixed taste popping You was great music. Yeah, and this was like I say, this was pre ice cream paint job After that, I made a record bigger than that record. Yeah. Yeah So and what for me it was just like man, I'm really this if I did if I wasn't this and I needed this And it's the only thing I could do and I sit there and fight it But I was just like it's not working itself out and then I'm working that stuff out Man, but I love the fact that you you know, I mean you was able to understand how to keep making big songs and good music And really like you said, you were so hungry at the time as well. I look at it Yeah, you wasn't even trying to hear I was in a space where I knew that like I was getting close to getting where I was trying to get to And I had to put every ounce of energy and time into that If I would have took that step the other way, I wouldn't be here talking on boss talk today Yeah, yeah, it would have took me out. It would have shifted my whole trajectory In a whole different path. So I knew that then wow if mode three was still living I know you would have did some more dope music. Oh, yeah I look before you pass you did that That uh, why my face so fresh when I found, you know, watts on there with y'all I didn't even know he was dealing with y'all But but but no, that was just like how much more music and and and how Tough is it with him? You know not being around to see the fruition of his career I think the whole city miss three just because he's talented You know I think the whole city miss three because he was talented and we all missed that talent that he broke Uh, so I think we all took a l on that side and we and we don't we didn't get to see him grow To the level that he would have grew He was at a high level, but he wasn't at his highest level. He would have still kept growing Now what people don't know is man three still got two records that I didn't release. What? Yeah, two hard records, too.  They be holding stuff back. Do you own them or do you own the records and uh Me and rainwater had to talk uh Not too long ago because he was going to come listen to the record try and put on the album But we just didn't catch up with each other But whether it ended up being on his project or not, it's going to come out You know I'm saying these records that men three did in the studio three want these records come out You know I'm saying like and rainwater going to be cool with them coming out like, you know, you know Like I never taken nothing away from rain and three connection because they you know They really was that you know it was rain over there when y'all did or not rain one day Rain was never like in that part on that side of you know I'm saying that much I mean, I'm pretty sure it was a lot of times when him and three was there But me and three had a relationship where we pulled up on each other.  So first. I didn't see I didn't see rain in there. It was just you and And and uh three yeah and three.  That's my boy. Yeah. Don't get it twisted. Oh my boy now We use this studio one day and we recorded that out there But we also they did a couple other records though We had did a couple records for the females and that was two records What is these records about man?  That's like my main barber I got two barbers in LA, but then it was a point where I think Sip was in trend. It was something Sip was traveling a lot. This one I was getting my haircut by Sip before my homie fresh cut Corey and like Sip just when I'm a craze where he was doing show he was just always gone and uh, I remember going to Vista Ridge Mall for some reason I ran the three and he was telling me uh, he was up there getting his haircut His barber was up there.  So I went through there and cut my hair. It was fresh Like so man three was getting our hair cut by the same barber at one time and I was making that song I think for sip the surge and I was like for some content I was like man, I'm gonna make it and then I ran the three and we just did that And I was like it makes sense. Whatever we're gonna do just throw He threw a verse on there But that right after we did that song is when me and him started working We just like it was like let's work. Let's do something and three was like, uh, he was saying something I was like look bro Look, we gonna make something that's that's gonna be we can put out there So man, we're gonna make something like that. He was like, hey, let's just talk about the females And he already knew what I was talking about like three nor ain't for the shoot 30 niggas on those songs So I'm basically was telling three like look bro. Let's make something where I ain't gotta shoot 30 niggas on the song He was like, I bet let's talk to the females. So long story short We made a couple of records for the females and that was also something three dope it Like if you look at go listen to three female records, they they hard So we made them kind of records and they ain't came out yet, but they hard. Wow That's hard, man Shattered busy going with q smith too. They produced those too man. I can't like I said, I can't wait to hear y'all You get that music out. You know, boy rain. He come over and tease a niggle with a mo three song Never will put this music out I'm so sick of these niggas holding back on the three music is sad, boy Y'all niggas ain't right y'all got this hidden music Y'all know it. Yeah, I'm just gonna hold on to it. I gotta drop it at the right time Yeah, we put a drop out at this year, man. You're gonna drop it. It's coming out. Yeah, everything. Wow I can't wait man. So I can people get older. You man.  I'm not only two places You know, I got the snapchat now that no threads Three is I got there too, but I ain't really only like I need to be you feel me? So I would just say the uh, instagram, you know, I'm saying is the is the Is the main way to get to me? Okay. Um, so Doro, I know you are like Entrepreneur I want to say of the year Trying to do the show. Yeah, because you always In the different avenues of stuff, right? Dallas Cowboys Mavericks, I mean not a weed strand. Mm-hmm. What other business are you venturing off into? Tell me about it So one of my next ventures that uh, I'm happy To, you know, be venturing in and already in the process of it is Actually left field is you're gonna catch people off guard, but uh, I'm actually I actually have a pest control company. Wow. Why pest control something like that? So a year ago at the crib It was a situation where like summertime came we started having bugs and stuff and like Texas, yeah, Texas weather and like it got bad and I and I remember how urgent I was To get rid of that problem. I was ready to spend that money fast Like, you know, it was by the you know, my my my little one my people my family You know, they come up it will bother people and it will bother me and I remember how urgent it made me get that done You know how sometimes something can linger around and if it ain't the air, you know, now you don't want that to grow I remember just getting that done looking looking up a company Getting it done spending that money fast, right and taking care of that problem Um, and then I want to say like a month or two after that I was approached by a company randomly about some because I've had already been inquiring business to get into You know stuff that's gonna make sense and then to learn about stuff I didn't know about right, but anyway, I was approached by a business I was I was actually Approach and You know, when they presented this to me It instantly clicked because I remember it's you know, you always want to find something where you know If it's a problem, it's relatable to you relatable to you and you know people I always want to find fixing style problems. So when Trapping us a came about and and I saw You know, they profiled and what they was about and I remember how quick I was And I was in the dilemma and how quick I spent some money to get rid of a problem I was like this would be a good venture to go into as far as a business So I tested it out and started working with them and it was just that like people really We want to get rid of these, you know problems. So when I got him, you know into the business we created it Um, I mean it was already rolling and we started having the success. So you had this business before Yeah, so the company. Yeah, the company was already there.  I was having this issue with Bugs and stuff like that and I really wanted to get rid of it fast and I paid that money and got it done This would be a great business venture to test out now when I went into it and had their success I was like, okay, this is this is the thing. So long story short, man If you having bug problems and you know, you having any type of pest control issues I got my own company, you know trapping us a and how can you find it trapping you trapping us a.com Why it'll be on my social media. It'll be attaching me, you know A lot of it will be coming out like right now You'll be seeing it. We really just not for the flood the streets with it, you know, create the awareness and It's something I endorse and supporting is something that uh Really will increase Your uh, Comfortability, you know and they service all of Dallas forward All of Dallas forward you and Dallas forward when we expanding out We're going to be all over Texas soon, but right now Anywhere in Dallas forward we're going to come out to you, you know, I'm saying we got the trucks We got everything, you know, I'm saying that you're gonna need to get your problem out get the get to the solution Get your problem out. So I'm gonna tell you the truth, man Them ants they bad in the summertime in Texas, you know, them.  So trapping us that trapping usa.com, you know Any type of problem?  This is that's that's me showing you love on you know, I'm saying your first time coming You're gonna pretty much be paying half off, you know, on whatever you're trying to get done Yeah, yeah, because you know I'm showing love we we show in love to the city and I'm going into this venture To spread this word But also to let people know that it's a legit company out here that can get rid of problems that we all have in tickets I don't care where you at What what side of town you on you know, I'm saying they get hot especially spring summertime The buzz coming and you know, we all my company gonna get rid of that man The road music aka 63 63 aka the road music is in the building Thank you so much for coming on boss talk 101 guys. Make sure you get in these clips right below here You know when you put um this count you got to put little um notes underneath that it only one time use You can't be using it too much time for that discount I'm gonna show love you want to come use the company or more than one we're gonna find ways to show love But the thing is you ain't gonna have to do nothing but really one time because we're gonna really do our job You get I'm saying my company gonna do the job We're gonna take care of the problem and later on if there's a problem we're gonna we're gonna come with a solution Wow man, I'm telling you man Trapping usa.com man, I'm telling you right now. Like I said you little runny It's some of y'all premier guys man. That's really really, you know getting down in the city man Um, and I just love to see it. You know what I'm saying love to see the entrepreneurship man Love to see the the way you guys holding it down. You know what I'm saying Appreciate man. I just uh, uh, man, it's big. You know what I'm saying You can guy say cheese you're in the in the city that's doing this thing You know what I'm saying?  What do you think that do for our Uh for the city How do you feel about it? Uh for the music just for overall communications. What do you think about it? Man, it's great bro. Like this is the first time and when I say first time, I mean literally the first time where People in Dallas, especially artists people that's on the music side in the business side Or the street side wherever you from you got a legit platform to come spread You know your words your brand or whatever you trying to get out there and it's right here in Dallas and it's going worldwide Um, I remember I used to go to new york. I would have to go to new york to do all my media You know what I'm saying and like it would be tough because I mean, it was just a process and I used to always I ain't gonna say be jealous But I would be jealous of a new york artist a little bit because some of it was on my label Shout out to jim jones. I remember one time we was at a barbershop out there He had hooked me up with his barber one time I was out there and he was just casually talking about what he was doing Throughout his days and like he was like yesterday I had went and did this this this and that and he was naming just like media platforms He went and did and I went to go highlight the label and then I went to go do this platform platform And then that that day that I was there which was next day. It was all that stuff that he had did was out Wow, I was just like man He literally was just able to get out his own bed and go Spread whatever he was trying to spread across the world and was just like that I was like, man, I would be Honored to have these type of platforms in Dallas So now to see that we starting to have these platforms in Dallas like y'all Yeah, and a lot of other platforms that that's a great thing for not just for artists like myself But other artists and other people that's doing business and you know people who whatever they're doing It don't matter what it is We got it right here in the city and it's a worldwide thing like this is not a Dallas platform This is a worldwide platform That happens to be in Dallas and we lucky to have that so that's a great thing bro like I want to see more and I and uh And everybody in the city need to support that and be happy about that and understand that that really is A blessing to have right here in the man. Thank God for you, bro Like you came early when when nobody come in and I always say that God sent the ones that needed to be here Early and don't give me a lot of people came but you came no hesitation Pulled up and told me I was doing great. As soon as you got here and you spoke in vision You told me what you was about to do Y'all did it man Man Shout out to y'all because y'all y'all had a vision and y'all followed it through y'all saw it through Followed it through and I mean and and it's still levels that y'all are still going to take this to drive it I can see it. Thank you so much, man. God bless you the road music aka a63 is going down, man Boss talk 101 what a boss is talk and you already did that while ago You did not see about it. Yes, I did Didn't I say about the clips while ago while getting the clips get into the the clips. Well, let me say this part


I should introduce myself. My name's Stuart. I'm the managing director of a Moodle partner in New Zealand. So that's why I'm here. But I'm hoping that lots of the things that I comment on and talk about will resonate, at least some of them, at different levels for each of you. So we've been a Moodle partner for 10 years, which actually makes me feel incredibly old, first of all. But it does mean that, unlike lots of you here who unfortunately have probably only seen one or two Moodle sites in real depth, we've seen hundreds. We've seen schools and universities and not-for-profits and all types of strange installations. And of course, our learning curve has just been fantastic through those 10 years, seeing all the different ways and actually getting involved with them in some depth solving problems as well, of course. I actually found it difficult to get down to 10 points. We actually had sort of 15 things that we would have loved to talk about. Anyway, so let's see where we start. We're probably best known for a lot of the community stuff we kind of do. We have a lot of PHMs, which are the particularly helpful Moodlers on Moodle.org, because we've always thought that it's important to be part of that community. We run a podcast which you can look for on iTunes and SoundCloud and a couple of sort of free project sites for people. I think it's important to have a balance between business and actually community and keeping that balance, right? Okay, so let's go on to the first slide. The first area that we see over and over again. So quizzes. Quizzes are fantastic in Moodle, right? Just one of the most sophisticated, flexible quiz systems you could imagine. But ironically, we see a lot of people running off and getting all enthusiastic about quizzes, creating them lots of questions, lots of quizzes. And what they miss is the kind of structure. They miss the fact that you should have a nice question bank organized in categories that you can then reuse, blah, blah. We've even had people call us up and say, oh, none of our great thing or results are working. And we get there and we find out that the only reason this organization has Moodle is because of the quizzes, right? HR said to IT, we need a quiz system. IT recommended Moodle. The only thing these people are using it for is quizzes. They didn't even know it did forums, right? Or assignments or anything else. That was an interesting conversation. We also have seen people create a quiz with 20 essay questions, right? And then they phone us up and they say, oh, the students aren't getting notified when someone grades an assignment because they're just answering one question. Or they say, you know, this isn't flowing through into the grade book. You know, people using the quiz quite horribly. And of course, linked to the quiz is the grade book. I always feel a bit guilty and a bit bad criticizing the grade book because I think it has an astronomically difficult job to do, right? Because it has to work for you guys in university, has to work for you guys in school, has to work for you guys over in the fire service or the blood service or whatever. It's trying to be everything for everyone. And that's a big ask. The problem with the grade book is that it offers 600% functionality and most people only need 10 to 20. Yeah, it's confusing. And of course, the major disaster always waiting to happen is that people don't set up the grade book before they run the course and they try and tweak it as they go. Or they start going in there and manually overriding grades, which looks good on paper, but unfortunately, the students don't know about that. Yeah. Difficult one. Let's go on. Who else have we got? Reporting. We get an awful lot of requests for better reporting in Moodle. And, you know, it's a reasonable comment. However, I would say that 90% of students have no idea how to change between the user report and the outline report, which shows them their grades across all the courses in one go. Teachers generally unaware of all the different types of reports they can get, the activity report, the participation report, they just generally focus on the grade book and not those different report options. And of course, for administrators, administrators get other reports as well. And they can install reports. But an average Moodle administrator is not a teacher and doesn't actually know which reports people would want. All right. And that highlights one of the great disconnects with Moodle. Doesn't matter where you are, which is that the academic side and the IT side, you know, life is never necessarily smoothed between these. But for Moodle to work efficiently and to work well, there has to be a huge amount of coordination there. All right. Because administrators, when they upgrade, there's options every time. You know, here's any function. It's disabled. Should we enable it? Administrators wouldn't know that. How many times does an administrator sat down with the academic side and said, this is our test upgrade. And these are the options we're going to have from now on. Can you investigate these and tell us, should we be switching them on or off? You know, that's how the process should work, ideally. And of course, you know, you've got the reporting plugins such as configurable reports and ad hoc, which are all fantastic. And if you can develop a little bit of MySQL, you can get a lot more reporting out of there. I'm going to mention SCORM. How many people are using SCORM in some way within there? Okay, that's quite high. We of course don't tend to see SCORM being used in a school level so much or even university, but where it's heavily used tends to be the commercial sector and private training companies and so on. Not to say that universities don't have some of this. I've kind of put all not in there because the irony here is that SCORM is the shareable content object reference model. And 99% of the SCORM objects you create are put in Moodle. They're not shared anywhere. They're actually taking advantage of the shareable nature of SCORM objects. Unless you've got a Blackboard site and a Moodle site and a Canvas site or whatever, that's highly unlikely. So your shareable content reference tends to be just actually in one system, which is interesting. But of course, people generally are using SCORM because it produces stuff that looks nice. I would suggest to you that probably 90% of the SCORM content we see could just as easily and just as effectively be created in the Moodle lesson using some nice graphics, some audio files, a video, a well-laid out path, some interactive questions along the way. Seriously, I would say 90% of the SCORM investment I've seen could be replicated just as well and just as easily in the lesson. And there's a big point there because very few people have the ability to go and edit that SCORM content afterwards. You may even be charged if you want to edit that SCORM content afterwards. But if it's in a Moodle lesson, anyone trained in the lesson can actually go and edit it. So it's putting you in a more powerful position actually with your information. Okay, moving through. What else have we got? SCORM. Authentication and Enrollment. I'm kind of going to skip across that one a little bit. Apart from to say, one of the new functions that we have in newer versions of Moodle, some of you may know, is the ability to log in with an email address. We need to think about that in terms of security. It's not always easy to guess someone's login name within an institution, but it's actually pretty easy to work out what their three email addresses are just by looking around on the web. And if I know their email address, then I only need to know the password. So I'm already halfway there. It makes life easier, but it may also carry security risks, I guess, is the way I might say that. So, themes. Yeah, one of my favorites. I'm actually a graphic designer by trade. So, what do we see with themes? We see managing directors and marketing spending inordinate amounts of time, and sometimes money, which we don't mind, a lot of time, on their Moodle branding and their theme, right? And it's all about, is the logo on there, does the color scheme match? Is this the right font to match our catalog? Blah, blah, blah. Should we have the logo on every single page? Yeah. You have to remember that your Moodle site is not a marketing tool. The front page might have some marketing value, but once you're logged in and doing things, it should 100% be about the learning and 0% about branding and those things because they're already your customer. They're in there. You've already sold them the car. You don't need to keep showing them the brochure. Thank you. So, in a world where we're thinking about all this in the right way, you would have one theme, right? And then you would have at least two versions that all your users can switch to. You would have one version that works perfectly for people who are color-impaired. You would have another version that is higher contrast, maybe a larger font, right? Yes, we know that you can make the browser thing bigger. We know that you can go into your browser settings and use the colors and fonts, but really, how many people do that, right? And even if they do on their own machine, they might come into your institution and just use a machine in the library so they haven't got that power to do that. I'm just interested to know how many people have one theme on their site that's so tightly controlled and how many people actually have these variations that would be so, so easy to create. Just put your hand up if you have one and everyone gets that. Yeah. Put your hand up if you actually have versions that are optimized for people who, yeah.  We had, I think, two people, two people. And this is an easy job. Once you've got the basic theme, a bit of extra work to change the CSS, and you've got your other versions. Yep. Just about finished. How long have I got? Okay. Plugins. If I come to a Moodle site and I see you're using one, two, three, four, five plugins, probably quite happy. This sort of audience, probably turn it in. That would be important. Certificate, maybe questionnaire, till feedback was in core. All good stuff. If I come to your Moodle site and I see you've got 10 plugins, I instantly start to get worried because, number one, you're probably using plugins to do things that could be done anyway in core if you knew how. And secondly, the more plugins you have, the higher the risk is that you're not going to be able to move forward with the next upgrade of Moodle. Because if you have a plugin here that is not available for the next version, it's not maintained, you run the risk of having to hold your whole institution back, move into the next version of Moodle, getting all that new wonderful functionality just because people are relying on this one plugin from way back. You really, really, really need to think carefully about this. And in fact, one of the things that we hate is the fact that in Moodle now, administrators can install a plugin through the GUI. It's brilliant for testing, it's brilliant for people who know what they're doing. I'll tell you now, we disable that on all our client sites because we actually want to talk to people before they start installing plugins and we want to work them through the process of making sure they're making smart choices for the future. Yep, okay. And then finally, what have we got? I'm not going to talk about that one. Go on, one more training. I just want to talk about training and development because this is the big one. It doesn't matter what your technology is, doesn't matter how much money you've spent on hosting, doesn't matter which Moodle part you're working with, doesn't matter how many great IT people you bring in. Ultimately, the biggest single factor on the success of your Moodle site is the understanding and the level your staff on the ground floor, on the Coal interface, working with students, how much knowledge they have to use Moodle effectively. Again and again, that's the biggest area we see for improvement and some effort. So just want to go to the very last slide. Your challenge after this is to go away after this session, go away after this Moodle, just identify 10 things you can improve. If you're a teacher, it's 10 things you can improve in your course. If you're a administrator, it's 10 things you can improve on your site. Some of those could be small, should we change the word in on the front page? Could make it clearer. Some of them could be long, medium term. What should we do at the next upgrade point? And some of them could be longer term, strategic. What should we be doing this time next year, this time in 18 months, right? But go away, use this as a positive. You only get better by criticising what you've got and really looking at it and being prepared to put some hard work in and solve those problems. Okay, thank you.