Let's try that again. Hello. Good day to everyone. Hello everyone. Good morning. We'll get started at five after. Can add your name and any items to the meeting agenda. Meeting notes posted in the zoom chat also in Slack. Hello all. We'll get started at five after. Meeting notes are in Slack and zoom chat calendar invite. Hello all. We'll get started in a couple of minutes. Five after and add your name and any items to the meeting notes. Turn the zoom chat and Slack. All right. I'm going to get started. Meeting notes around the zoom chat. You can add your name and any topics. I'm not seeing any other new ones right now. Does anybody have something they'd like to add specifically? That's not yet on the agenda. Anything have anyone have something interesting from Kubecon they'd like to talk about? Yeah. There you go. Tell. Okay. Well, I'll just have that on there. All right. I'm going to hop right into some of these. So we have a few more things that we need to discuss. We have a couple of. Call up of love. The closed items. Interested party. Take it. Added. This one. Let's see. Oh, this is the main one. I'm going to jump right into the actual. So the interest of party for those that haven't seen this. If you weren't in the last few meetings. company or that they're with, and this could be used for multiple purposes. One of them was the voting originally, but it's communicating the different groups and people that care about these things, which will be helpful when we're talking and collaborating with other groups so that they can say who's involved and how does this relate. So please add yourself there. I think there's a PR to add some reasoning at the top, but I'm not seeing it here. I'm not going to worry about that. Go check that later. Tech leads, we've removed those for now until they're needed. Let's jump into the open PRs. If you have been working on some of the PRs, then you may have seen the checks that are happening. There's multiple types of checks, including linting, and the PR process has been updated to say at the moment, we would prefer that everything passes linting, but we've been going through the whole repo a lot of little updates, so it's not a hard requirement. But if you get whatever file that you're working on passing, then I think that would be good enough. But if you notice other stuff, of course, fixes on those things would be good. Taylor, Vuk is speaking actually, I'm just going to comment for the number 95. Yeah, I'm going to open that one. I looked at and got some errors from Markup or Markdown-Linter, but they were not verbose, so I could really not pinpoint where it was. The issue. All right. If you check. Sure. This might be helpful for other people that are trying to create the PR. This lint. Yeah. Super linter. All right. So this error is found, that's not very helpful, so you got to actually work your way back up. Well, there's a lot of contents. Okay. So here's, it looks like there was a big, pretty big failure. That's interesting. Context. So this is talking about headers have to have a blank line around them, surrounded by a blank line. I'm going to go back into the content. It looks like most of them that I'm seeing are there like that. So you need a blank line above and a blank line below? Or the blank line, actually. There's three strict checks about how many spaces or whatever off the end of a line, so you might have some lines with spaces at the end. I think some of the template has some problems already. So I jumped into this problem as well when I submitted my PR. So this one would be something like this. If we do like that, now it adds a blank line. Yeah, I'm not going to go through the whole thing, but I will try to do it in the background. All right. I can work with you and get all those in. Let's see, what else do we have though on this one? Because this is one that we've had open for a while. Are we at a point other than those, I'll say minor linting issues? We could even, I would call that one minor. Those type of things is minor and we can almost come back and do a second PR. What I would say is if we're getting lint failures, we don't actually like very much, then I'm sure we have control over what rules the thing applies. So if we want to basically get rid of rules because they cause us problems and I have no benefit, then that is a perfectly acceptable approach. That's one thing. The other thing is, I think you've already identified that the linter produces terrible error messages. So either we figure out how to make it produce better ones or conversely, we give people some clues as to how to read lint output one or the other. Because I mean, you're not the only one I had the same problem when I was looking at this, I got to the end of it eventually. But realising firstly how to find that a file has failed and secondly, that that message is just a summary and there is more clues higher up, basically giving you indications of what the failure is. That one itself was a bit a leap of deductive reasoning that took some doing and it sounds like you're doing exactly the same on this call that, you know, okay, eventually I found an error and it wasn't even the error I was looking for I wanted another error. Yeah, sounds good. There's the way to adjust the output would be nice for especially like errors for me on a test testing framework. Usually you'd have a little bit more information at the end but this just says you had an error and it doesn't give you any context you have to scroll up but we can look at that. Yeah, basically I was looking at the error message directly and was they have experience with Atlanta. Now I would be able to I'm not sold that we should turn it off completely. Is that Victor. Yeah, the other thing that I was thinking about is, I included like the make file. So, if you, you want to run locally and don't wait until you submit the change and in the data infrastructure you can run make link and that is going to run the inter locally. The other thing that might be nice is for. I don't know if it'll do it but some test output, you can have it not show so detailed on the ones that pass. And then it shows it only shows the information when it fails. We're not really looking at like an entire pass fell for, I don't care about all the positives that's which ones actually didn't pass. All right, but we can do that off and maybe just a ticket and do a round of adjustments on that we've heard a lot of the same feedback. Other than lending. So what are the other things that we can work through. I'm seeing some stuff here is, is this something for this ticket, or I mean PR do you want to open something new. Essentially, I went through all suggestions and I accepted my edits or committed the changes that were proposed by a couple of people here so I think the only locking issue is again I didn't make it with this link code base. The only thing that I am seeing here is one change requested by by you Taylor, but I think this might be an outdated thing, because I accepted made a commits. All right, so I have the option grade out. It looks like is this one already split open split apart this Jeff was asking about this and I think I made the suggested it based on what his feedback was. Did this one already make it in. Yeah, I committed that one. So I don't have any more than the option. All right, I'm going to resolve that then. I think this was just a comment from Jeffrey to maybe we obviously could have a lot of follow up discussions and maybe some use cases. branching out of this use case and then drilling down in some some details. I would honestly prefer to leave it like that and then come back to it in in in our discussions and then drill down into some aspects. So you can consider this as a bit of kind of umbrella use case for a life cycle management of the infrastructure and to that related behavior of CNS. Yeah, absolutely and best practices could point to more than one use case, of course, since they can be used and more than one use case so this one may be as you're saying like an umbrella larger one and then we may have a best practice that also points to a more focus small use case that, for example, test case even if it gets down to that. All right, so I'm trying to find the one that you're saying there's still one open. Oh, is this no this is the one I just made. I'm just going to commit that since it's a lint fix outdated you must have already done it and I'll resolve it. I found my linter problem. I think the last standing one with this blank lines. Yeah, because I skipped so is there it should be in in shape. So what what is the one that was still in question. You said there was one item left that we haven't addressed. Scroll back down to the bottom, and then just click on what where it shows like approvals and what you just jumped it back up.  Well, I don't think I can do it. It's probably looks different for you than me. Let me see to look at them. I'm not seeing anything that's like a committable change that's no remaining so it may be that you've got everything and I can just mark the request. Let me see see a review. It is related to the six years six days ago. If you look at the history six days ago. Go from the bottom up. Yeah, this one. No, this is eight minutes. This one. This is showing it's already it's showing outdated. So you may have already completed to approve. I think this. Yeah, absolutely. So I can. That's what I'll do.  Yeah, I guess I could have done it from there go to the bottom and then on your. I'm I'll just do this way. I think I'd. That is looking. So we need one more to merge this so that there's everything else has been addressed. We, I think Jeffrey, we committed all the changes that you requested. The remaining ones I think were comments versus changes like we split one of the paragraphs to be our sentences to be easier to read and stuff like that. So, let's see, and you've already approved it. Do we have any other approvals on the call. Is anyone. I know that a lot of people have been tagged over the last week. Rob is something happened with the configuration that are no longer able to approve. Okay. Don't know how it works now. Have you guys changed. I don't know. I've just read it to you. Does anyone else want to approve and you're not on here. Hey, Rene, you're there. While some of these maybe coming back with a with a feedback, I just noticed is the super linter is really painful. So it's now complaining about multiple trailing spaces or no trailing spaces. Yeah. I don't see anything except for spaces around stuff so I'm willing to merge it with with those and then we can go back over and fix all the length issues on another PR, which would be a minor change only requiring one approval. You're already on this. We need one more approval. I can approve it. I mean, I can review later. All right. We'd just like to get this one in since it's. It's been open for a while and we keep approving and then there will be weeks later someone will have another comment. And what we really want to do is those type of things should be another PR or add comments to the existing stuff rather than keeping it open for forever. All right, and I think Ian, if you can go through it too. So maybe you have to refresh the page. Okay, you think we have some more. Let's see. All right, a whole set. Thanks, y'all. Let's merge it. Go into a squash on this one. I don't remember. And some other folks I think I'll make some comments about.  All right. Change history a little bit easier to kind of walk back if we do. I'm going to make like this then. This was that was me. I went and made a bunch of like grammar changes and whatnot. Okay, cool.  And then I'm keeping. Okay, we don't need to three victors. I don't need another victor. All right, that doesn't seem right. Feels like there's a lot more on there. There are two times your name there. I feel like I think that will populate if you like actually did like the inline and suggest and comment. Yeah. If book accepted it then it's like, it pulls in because then you went directly edited the document. All right. There we go. All right, we did it. Thank you. Let's see. This might have been the interested party thing. Oh, it is the one that I was referring to earlier. Okay, so there's a few other things and the contribution. Comments around this. Let's see what's interesting. Meeting stuff so if people are trying to encourage people to come then where the meetings are happening. There's a lot of information involved from issues, first issues. This is about the lending stuff saying that how to do it, including the make file that Victor mentioned earlier, if you want to run it local. Then the main things. Okay. I don't know why this is not visible. I'm going to skip that. So the main reason this PR is in place was this top portion. So what is interested parties about expressing an interest in these topics and add your name and organization and PR. And then communicating that it could grant you some rights, including capabilities to vote if you're listed. But it doesn't imply any obligation to you or the organization, including legal, just to make sure if people need that from your side, we've added that. And I think the rest are kind of like links and typos. I don't know how they made it in here. So we need one more approval on this one. Let's see if anyone's done that well I've been on this. No. Any objections comments about this one. Could I get another approval, maybe approved in the past and got bumped off. What was that. I'll approve. Okay. Are you on here already Simon. I may not be. Let's see. Oh, and there's five. I don't know what this alpha states about. Yeah, it seems like last night I paper. Well look at all these people on this one. And we didn't have hardly any on the last headers this headers things killing us the blank lines before and after. Okay. There's a new one. Simon, you're already in. Jeffrey, confirm and merge and delete the branch. I forgot to do that in the last one. All right. Jeffrey, you ready to talk about this one. See enough definition. Nope. But I will. All right. Let's see. What do we have right now? We have three. Approvals. Agenda. I'd like to really quick too, since we're looking at this. We've always had this issue of chicken and egg where we use definitions that most of us agree or illy defined to define some of our own words. I think that's the release of the CNF, or sorry, CNCF glossary. It has things in there like cloud native application or whatnot. Can we maybe put something in that says, we are going to adopt those. And if we feel that they're inadequate, we would work at that level for some of the more non CNF specific terms. It would be good to try to work with the global as much as possible. I'm actually supposed to have a call with Catherine and this Catherine and Jason right here Jason Morgan who are leading on this they had a talk during QCon, so I wanted to get some feedback on what they're doing and talk with them about the cloud native principles papers and stuff, but I think it'd be a good idea to try to push as much upstream so it's global to all of CNCF. Yeah, I think if we disagree with those terms or we don't feel they go far enough, we should be. This group should kind of advocate across the CNCF holistically to get like you know our thoughts once desires out there, but then it's a lot less work on us and we don't have to deal with conflicting points of view. If our glossary is as CNF specific as possible, and we just adopt terms where it makes sense. So this one is still about, or the PR is about the CNF definition. And I think the tie in with this would be what you have here a cloud native network function is a cloud native application. So then what is a cloud native application. And there's some of that over here. What is this is a cloud native app so what is a cloud native application. We go on to be explicit and say it's this application is implementing network functionality. So there's lots of applications out there. And this one is about network functionality. The CNF consists of one or more much services. So here we're really expanding on what a cloud native application so it's good say and they don't they don't have all these details but we're going to be more explicit. This still could be good. Jeffrey, I'd like to hear your thoughts, because we are talking about best practices, and they're not really getting into best practices so we could say that we're expanding on what they have so taking advantage of cloud resources and scaling capabilities and all these things, and then how to do it. This would be the best practices and thinking cube native. So a CNF consists of one or more much services which can be delivered and has been developed using cloud native principles including loose coupling and mutable infrastructure declarative apis and a repeatable deployment process. Do we have any more approvals will we're sitting on the call are there more comments and thoughts. I guess I wonder why we need to talk about microservices. Are we referencing a specific architecture. I just pulled that out of the tug white paper. So I don't know. Once again this is the whole. The gloss rehab what a microservices. I mean you could look at an entire like full network function itself as a microservice within a network ecosystem right like a switch is providing. So I mean, you get into all these weird layers of abstraction. I don't care if we pull stuff out I just grabbed stuff. First from the principles paper then from the tug paper. At some point though, I do think we should be more explicit like I like the glossary definition. It's kind of the stuff that Ian always harps on around it runs in a cloud, which is good. Like at a broad level but then I'm, you know, what is the CNF itself, just saying it's a network function that runs in a cloud. I mean, that is technically an accurate definition I don't know if it's a useful definition though. Well, that would be a cloud network function but if we want to specify what makes it cloud native specifically. I don't know if the architecture is part of that it's more about behavior, but I, I don't know that this could be a starting point and we can keep iterating right. And I mean, I agree that maybe it talks about the verbiage could be cleaned up maybe maybe we don't approve this right now, or we do we approve it and then we do more stuff but maybe it could be, it should be more instead of consist of one or more Microsoft can be consumed as a microservice, right.  I mean, that it doesn't say that your services inside have to be loosely coupled it just says it includes loose coupling and I'll be honest, I'll fight that one that it should be in there like all these like statically maps service change all these statically mapped services etc, like makes things really really hard. But I guess this definition if the glossary supposed to be definitions that we're already including possible suggest best practices for reaching, you know the goals but I didn't I, in terms of accepting this PR or not, I'm actually in favor of accepting a lot. I, we can always add more and more PR is later I. My advice would be to iterate quickly and keep adding more and more iterations. So, even if I don't, I'm not entirely happy with what I see here I would still approve it and think of it okay this is a contribution. And it's a good contribution and we'll keep moving forward. Honestly, I would rather we make attempts to work with the definition and see how it's shortcomings causes difficulties. Then basically endlessly arguing the poll request even again right I have my own reservations in terms of any CNF definition but I think the answer that is there probably isn't perfect definition that's part of the problem. I'm going to make it. Go ahead. I was going to say like, it's good to discuss this stuff though because I mean, I just pulled that out. I mean, yes, I like help build that original in the job but I agree that it does force architectural opinion in there so maybe we just move all of the specific references out of there like microservices loosely coupling or declarative API's and we just boil it down purely to it falls cloud native principles and those can be discussed offsite and that I do think that I'm it being, you know, a repeatable deployment process that is a behavior that we want out of it that's not a specific implementation thing. Yes, let's narrow this down right cloud native principles are two different sets of things that people tend to conflate one is what it does and one is how it's built now repeatable deployment is a thing that it does but microservices is a thing about how it's built. I think the former is actually a lot more useful than the latter. If you look at some examples. Didn't we say that we would link to the CMCF definitions for now. I know we did. We've talked about this. And I'm a vote against because I don't think the CNCF definition defines cloud native. I think it defines things that you recognizably see in cloud native applications in today's world rather than defining what cloud native means. So it's a work in progress, the new definitions, not the main CNCF definition doc at the top level this glossary project, I think is the reference that we have never really talked about this because this is brand new. I've already had multiple people that are working on this say that it's just a start. It's not. I mean, I know this says completed but it's not covering everything that we've we've already been going into. I like what you said earlier about iterating quickly. You know, when when kind of picking apart this definition or what Jeffrey gave right is, it could be argued that if you take an example like a control plane network, essentially, like Calico or something like that, that is comprised of microservices. So it's somewhat easily arguably, but easily linked to kind of what network looks like existing and it could be iterated on later and kind of the mindset that a contribution is a good contribution and sparks debate at least. So I'll add another point specifically about the other glossary. That's a work in progress Taylor as you said I think it's good for us to define cloud native for the terms of the workgroup so I'm actually not necessarily I'm in favor of referencing maybe the other glossary but I think in terms of defining what a CNF is, we can define what cloud native cloud native means for specifically for CNS because it's not just a regular application. And I wonder, I wonder to you know I'm thinking out loud here that it could be a matter of degree right there's not a, there's not a clear suddenly look at a network function okay this is a true CNF or this is partially cloud native or it's cloud native in some ways and not very cloud native in other ways. So, maybe the definition should be about criteria, even a list of criteria that that would work in terms of okay, you know we either we either cover all the criteria for network function or not. And to an extent it could be aspirational in terms of becoming a very good, a very cloud native network function right. And I'm not sure myself I'm thinking out loud and maybe I'll turn my thoughts into a PR as well. So we could. It would be great I think it multiple people took a stab at this, and maybe we can kind of come together bring together different ideas from different people into something that ends up being helpful in the end this is supposed to be a helpful definition.  I'm a fan of the move fast but I also don't want to just put junk in there so I stripped a bunch of stuff out with the hopes of us having a more neutral starting point, we can just put more PRs against it. I don't know if this helps definitely helps. Probably, we are writing definitions and some documents, but we are still on the GitHub and if you look at how the code evolution happens. Actually, it's exactly the iterative process the first commit is always something that's maybe half baked and then it gets expanded by community but it doesn't prevent it from being a commit or being pushed. I would vote in favor of really having a decent. So not the garbage things in but having a decent well rounded definition input, whatever we are committing and then iterating on that. To be clear, this is not garbage. I think this is. This is useful I think this is a useful starting point we're already discussing it so Yeah, same, same for my side. What are you saying you would accept it. How it was written. Jeffrey put before or Oh, I. Yeah, I'm accepting. I like Jeffrey. The current suggested change that we're seeing by Jeffrey is the one that I prefer to remove those architectural elements but Yeah, and we don't even have to squash things right because it's kind of nice to see the history as well. I'm making a meta comment here I think everybody who makes a contribution makes a commit.  We can see the differences and we can see who contributed what exactly like source code right. All these properties are stuff that are listed when we if you dig through the glossary the definitions over here. And they have all sorts of stuff including talking about microservices and loose coupling and immutable infrastructure is all part of this. So these would be properties that you would see. It doesn't mean that I guess if you had a single. Well actually these are all high level so you may not use every best practice and I guess it may not have every property if it's not actually part of it. But if if you are implementing a feature. And there is a property that you would expect to see in a cloud native application that's implementing that feature, then it seems like those would be there. I think we gotta we gotta take in mind like scope and audience. So when we wrote this for the tug. It was when we were trying to intentionally opinionate and provide context with the definition. Versus I don't know I mean I know why you want them in there. My hope would be though that like the best practices that feed off of this would be where we, we have you know best practices that show you should be loosely coupling. But I mean, unless we're giving a very, very verbose definition and trying to shape opinion within the definition itself. Like the news are we reporting the news or are we giving a syndicated opinion on something kind of deal like, what is our goal with this glossary is it to just provide baseline context, or is it to kind of shape influence opinion from those outside of our small collective here when they come in and read this stuff. I actually would prefer kind of more the just generic news standpoint. But I've had time to stew on this, and then let the best practices try to guide people towards loose coupling and mutable infrastructure, etc. And I did leave cloud native principles, you know, as a development consideration in there, which I think should also kind of imply that some of these things are followed but I see what tells coming from where like a definition that's already subscribe or prescribing architectural considerations kind of put you in a box when you start to go out and explore and decide what you are and aren't going to go right.  The, your approach should be to address. All of the properties that would be principles what are what are the cloud native principles, not whether these are best practices general for networking application. What are the best practices, if you're building a cloud native application. Would you just lose Taylor. I'll use that record. I'll go ahead. I was, I was going to say I reserve the right to change my mind in a week from now and put in a new PR is that how iteration works right. I believe so. I want to add a point to what you said Jeffrey about you know reporting the news. And it goes back to a point very early on that chain made where you know he's, we had this big argument of CNF really means container right and it doesn't, but we also have to acknowledge that people use the term CNF already very, very widely. And often it simply means a network function running in Kubernetes. That's it. It doesn't talk about if it's running in a good way or if it works correctly with Kubernetes or or anything else. So I guess I'm saying that for our purposes. It should be descriptive right and should describe how people are actually using it and then we can say well how do you build a good CNF. And that's not part of the glossary that's one of the goals this that this whole work group is aiming for I think right. Do we have Taylor back. Yeah I'm back I have no I don't happen with my connection there. I've committed that change. It's, I don't know where I cut out but it sounded like your approach Jeffrey was to tackle all of the properties that would be part of cloud native applications and the best practices. As those are going on, then we those get added immutable instruction everything so. And to have something like this cloud native application a link, there's a reference to linking like that. So real quick to before we do this, let's chat with the group here is, do we want to do in band links like that, or if the main thing you know we put on a little. glossary but this is the glossary little index at the bottom, you know linking like for like the kubernetes definition, I go my link to kubernetes.org, their docs and stuff, just to show people that I didn't create my own definition to kubernetes. I don't know if we want to do in band citations with the links like that, or if we want to like point to something at the bottom, I have no opinion as long as we're citing our work and showing that we're not just you know, pulling stuff out of thin air. Why not in band link it works relevant so people can follow the, follow it in context. That's fine with me, and then I say we commit this Taylor and then we do a follow on PR to him. You know just get that consistent with the other pieces. I'm going to try to write a PR for this to I want to take a stab at trying to do this. We'll see how it works. Did you accept my invite so I can add you as a reviewer. You said you're ready to approve. I'm sure let me check. Did you do that just now. A little while ago. I should have accepted it let me let me see if I can approve. Brandon I think you said you're ready to approve so I've added you. I'll approve it. I think it's wrong in the definition right now it's ends and then there is a period and a new sentence. It just says a CNF has been developed as a part of the definition. We need to relook at the sentence. Where is that. In this definition. If you go and look under the definition. I'm going to go under. So it's two sentences now. And the first sentence is fine. The second just starts and says a CNF has been developed using cloud native principle. We are defining and allows for and that but should should the sentence start with something else because I think if you just simply change it to a CNF has been developed or should be developed. I'm sorry. Exactly. Yeah, that changes. It's the it's the context. That's all. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, yeah. Perhaps not has been or should be a CNF is developed or. Yeah, that's fine. You should be or is. Yeah, fair enough. Ian is language just is I mean. What's what's going on. The concept of. Odd passive voices and future will be used doesn't really make a definition. That tells you what a CNF is which is what we're trying to do in a definition. We're right that's still passive voice, but take anyway. It's still better than has been so. Okay. for repeatable deployment process, why are we keeping this last? Isn't this last part of the planning of principles as well? Yes, it is. No, that's a desired behavior though. Yeah, that's the place for desired behaviors. Is that, isn't best practice the place for desired behaviors? That's the whole point. Right, that's what I'm thinking. If we're removing all the rest and remove the... No, so I mean I'm not saying that we have to keep this in here but a desired behavior is not a best practice. A best practice is an implementation to get a bit like desired behavior. Like me saying I want a repeatable process. The deployment process isn't a best practice.  It doesn't tell me how to get it. Okay, we're actually using a use case. The problem with this is we're codifying things that are neither a use case nor a best practice. Interate fast and get the PR in. We can keep adding to it. I'm done with acting it. Well, we could turn it into an example which I would be good with. For example, to enable a... Maybe we can make some change and I'll put it in the chat just a second. A suggestion. It doesn't like when I do British but... Again, I'll say that this is a little bit... You know, not all CNFs are developed with cloud native principle. We're kind of stating what a CNF should be at best. But again, this glossary is supposed to be useful for us, right? So it's... A lot of times we're going to be talking about CNFs that might not be developed using cloud native principles very well, but they're still part of our deployment and we're still working with them. Those are things for CNFs. They wouldn't be cloud native network functions. Taylor, I put something in the chat of rewording, if you will, particularly using repeated deployment processes as an example. So again, a suggestion only. Well, I guess, well, what is it? If you have a network function running in Kubernetes and containers and it's not developed using proper cloud native principles, what would we call that? Well, it's just a VNF... Appliance, containerized network function. Yes. Bear in mind, a CNF literally means... Well, I mean, this is not the definition of a containerized network function. This is the definition of a cloud native network function. Yeah, I mean, I'm answering to Taylor's comment about if it's not following the cloud native principles, then... I mean, the one angle to look at that is actually why we are at all considering and then looking for a CNFs. And this is the incoming to the point where you have a unified cloud infrastructure in a CSP, which has a certain properties and these properties are like a reference, not a reference, but they are hard reference. And cloud native network functions are those that are able to run in such environment that do not require some specialties and so on. If it's not running on such environment, then it could be called appliance, it could be called silo solution, it could be like Kubernetes-based network function or whatever else, but it doesn't fulfill the purpose of running on a unified infrastructure. Well, I would suggest then that we add that to the glossary. We think of a way to talk about those things and find a name that we all agree with. Can make a take on it in a separate... A CNF is not bad, a Kubernetes network function. Because that also includes things, for example, running virtual machines and Kubernetes, etc. Create a PR for that, Tal. All right. Yeah, I will. Yeah. And by the way, I do see you added me, but for some reason I'm not a reviewer on this PR. Maybe it's because I didn't... I'll add you on to this in just a moment. Pankai had this in the Zoom chat, which merges those two sentences. A cloud native network function is a cloud native application developed using cloud native principles that implements network functionality. I'm okay with that definition. And that can run in a CSP's cloud. Or maybe I would say provide it to network functionality. That implements provided network functionality. I think provide... What? I think it's better, actually. Implements are provided. When we say implements, what does provided after that mean? I would say just get rid of provided implements, network functionality. Simpler. Okay, that's what we already have. I meant to replace implements with provide. That's what I meant, that provides a network functionality. What do you think? Yeah, that's clear. A CNF is a cloud native application developed using cloud native principles that provides network functionality. We've kind of boiled it down to the simplest, but it works, I think. And really, you could get rid of this developers. We're only putting developers in cloud native principles because it doesn't specifically say it over here, but we do want to say that you're not a cloud native application if you don't follow cloud native principles. You can be a containerized. You can even run on Kubernetes, but if you don't follow the principles, then you're not a cloud native application. And if we're getting really finicky about this, it's not so much a matter of being developed using those principles. It's a matter of functioning using those principles. Exhibits those principles. Right, exhibiting those principles. Correct. How do I know why? Exhibits are native properties, then. You can't exhibit the principles. I think developing using the principles is fine. Exactly, you can't exhibit a principle. Just refresh, yeah, there you go. OK, Tal, you're there. I added Brandon before. Oh, I see you're still here kind of Brandon, you're on there. Yeah, I see it now. So I need to refresh. I'm going to refresh as well and make sure I can modify that if we're down to the last, hopefully, iteration. If you want to add me and approve it also. Implements, this is not the version. OK, let's try it again. Here we go. That provides network functionality. Or did we decide to change developed to? I mean, we can remove that whole developed using cloud native principles. It's it's simply the simplest definition. It's it's a cloud native application that provides network functionality. No, no, no, no, I agree with Taylor's statement that if it doesn't, if you haven't developed using cloud native principles, then it's not cloud native. I think that's the whole. Well, we're linking here to cloud native application. So it right, but they don't say that in their definition yet. They may by end of the week after I work with them. But right now they don't. All right. My name doesn't have a Y then it has a J sorry. Sorry, what was that? P and K, J, not Y. Ah, sorry. No, no, that's OK. I think, yeah, on the keyboard, let's type out. OK, all right. So did Jeffrey drop? Yeah, yeah, to draw may have. OK, what is this? Simplifying. All right. That's there. Hopefully, I'm going to check one more time. That's what we want. Cloud a cloud native network function. OK, it's a a cloud of network function as a cloud of application linking to the absurd global CNCF docs developed using cloud native principles that provides network functionality. I probably should have put a comment here. But yes, to separate that and to be consistent, maybe cloud native should be lowercase and CNN. That was my mistakes. Yeah, I'll make that change.  We're at the top of the hour, y'all. I think we should drop. We have enough approvals. I'm going to. I'll send this to everybody, but I'll make the change for the capitalization to be consistent and have that in the commit. And then I think we're good. The next time we're here, maybe we can talk with folks about the new use cases. So we have a stateful and a 5G use case. OK. Thanks, everyone. Thank you, Kyle. Thanks, bye.


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I am Dr. Shormishta Chakraborty. I am a psychiatrist of Manipal Hospital and I am happy International Women's Day to all of you. Thank you. And I think this initiative by Manipal Hospital to share her silence is an excellent initiative because what we see in today's world, over the last two years we have been, you know, fighting a huge pandemic and we found women who have been, you know, working at home, working from home, looking after their children, looking after their husbands, their parents, their in-laws and they have been tolerating domestic violence, marital rape and they were silently tolerating all this. And what has happened is as we know that women are twice as much to suffer from anxiety and depression than men. So they have suffered in silence. Now is the time to share and what a brilliant initiative by Manipal Hospital so that these women who are suffering can share in privacy from home, talking to a professional and then they get their advice because nobody is going to look after them. We look after the home, our parents, but who is looking after us. There's very few people bothered about us. If we don't look after us, who will look after yourself and take advantage of this brilliant initiative by Manipal Hospital. Thank you.


Oscilloscope phase shift measurements. When an AC voltage is applied to a series RC circuit, the voltage drops across the resistor and capacitor are not in phase. The number of degrees there out of phase is determined by the relative values of the components. To display the voltage waveforms across the resistor and capacitor below, two oscilloscope probes must be used. One channel of the scope is connected across the resistor. The second probe from the other scope channel is connected across the capacitor. A ground connection must be made at the bottom plate of the capacitor. Two waveforms that are out of phase, such as the ones below, will be displayed on the oscilloscope screen. To determine the phase difference in degrees of these two waveforms, follow these steps. Step one, move the coupling switches of both channels to the ground position. The scan line will appear. The scan line for channel one is in the reference position. Adjust the vertical position of the channel two scan line to the same position as the channel one scan line. Step two, place the coupling switches for channel one and channel two in the AC position. Step three, adjust the calibration knob to make the largest waveform the same size as the smaller one. Step four, count the number of spaces between the marks on the screen for one cycle. Here there are 41 spaces between the marks. Step five, to determine the number of degrees each space between the small marks equals, divide the following values. 360 degrees divided by 41 equals 8.78 degrees. So each space is rounded to 8.8 degrees. Step six, to determine how many degrees waveform one leads waveform two, count the number of small spaces between where the first sine wave crosses the horizontal reference line in the positive direction and where the second sine wave crosses the line in that direction. The number is four. Multiply the number of spaces by the degrees per space between the small marks. Four spaces times 8.8 degrees equals 35.2 degrees. The farthest waveform to the left that crosses the horizontal reference line in the upward direction leads the other waveform. You have completed this activity, oscilloscope phase shift measurements.


Good evening, my beautiful internet friends. Welcome back to my channel. What you are about to observe is a highly requested amputee evening routine video. So I'm gonna take you through what I do every day, every evening that is as an amputee before I go to bed, kind of what we do beforehand and actually getting my leg ready and getting to bed. I really appreciate the opportunity to share this, to share a little piece of my life. So without further ado, let's dive in. My life, and especially I think more than anything, my evening routine has changed since becoming an amputee. There are steps that were kind of unexpected. You can't just go to bed and go to bed anymore. Like there are things that I have to do to make sure my leg's gonna be good for the next day. And it's taken a while to adjust to those things. I am still adjusting to those things to some extent. So this is my evening routine every evening as an amputee, whether I'm at home or somewhere else, these things have got to happen, so let's dive in. Once I'm done with everything for that day, be it my work or working on some art or project or meeting people, I'll head downstairs and take my leg off. It's really important to me that I'm able to take my leg off and think of it every day as quickly as possible because it usually ends up getting pretty sore by the end of the day. My prosthesis fits really well for me, but I am still having some small issues, so after wearing it for eight hours, it's time to rip it off. When I'm taking it off downstairs, it's really important that I turn the liner outside in again because if I leave that sticky part out, it will get filled with dog hair and will be terrible. Now it's time to chill and get attacked by dogs. So legitimately, one of the best feelings in the world is ripping my leg off at the end of the day. You know how girls talk about taking their bras off at the end of the day, being like, freedom and so nice? Nah, not ladies, you got nothing compared to taking a leg off. This has been suctioned onto my body all day and it feels so nice to be able to just take it off and relax. I would say your evenings are very productive, adulty sort of things, like watching lots of Netflix presently and warding off puppy attacks. Yes. So the end of the day usually consists of just chilling down here for a little while together and then I've got to get my leg back on to go upstairs to actually start my night routine. She's so pretty. Hair up, now it is skincare time. First, I start by taking my makeup off, which I have already done. Lately I have been using DuVol brush.  I have really been loving it. So this one is their Radiance Spin Care System. So this video is sponsored by DuVol. Their spinning brush right here helps me really deeply clean my skin. My mom always told me to take care of my face skin and I never really did it. Up until recently, going through amputation, I started kind of having a difficult relationship with my body, right, to some extent.  As skincare has been really healing to me. So this has been really fun to play with. This comes with a variety of different attachments. They're really easy to use. One of my personal favorites is the body brush. There's like a full-size body brush that you can use in the shower. This is fully waterproof so you can use it wherever. There's also a pumice stone for your feet or your foot in my case. I've been using this every evening with their EasyMix products to cleanse my skin. Hello there, friends. It's editing Joe popping in to let you know that I made a serious mistake in this video and Sophie is very disappointed in me. You can see she's currently micromanaging me to punish me from my mistakes. You're gonna hear me referring to the product that I'm talking about as EasyMix. That is not what it's called. It's called Mix Easy. I'm gonna pop up Mix Easy on screen every time I get it wrong. You can tell Sophie's so disappointed I got it wrong. So to ease Sophie's disappointment in me and she's trying to crawl on my computer every time you hear me see EasyMix, think of Sophie's disappointment and know that it's called Mix Easy. Isn't that right? So this is their gentle face cleanser. I was able to design it myself. I was able to pick five different ingredients which I'm showing up on screen right now. It's really cool to be able to do that and have some say in how it smells and the different ingredients and how they interact with and react to your skin. If you use Code Footless Joe a checkout, you will get 70% off this brush which is pretty fantastic.  This is really soothing to me especially after I've used the spin brush. I find that this is really calming on my skin. Also as a side note, this smells absolutely amazing. Sometimes I've put on moisturizers before and there's almost like this burning feeling which I haven't really liked and I definitely don't get that with this.  All right, now on to the leg stuff. How I take care of my prosthetic leg every evening is really important. I'll be honest, there are some nights where I'm like, I don't want to do it. I just want to go to bed. I don't have to go through an extra step but I've found that if I can be consistent with this, if I can really stay on top of cleaning it, making sure it stays hygienic, that's really important. It starts by obviously taking my leg off.  Some evenings I'll wipe down the outside of it just to get rid of any dog hair and any sweat that might have accumulated on the sides of it. Not super sexy, but you know, it's the reality of the situation.  My leg does not smell fantastic at the end of the day. There's just, there's a lot of stuff happening in here, right? Like it's a lot of sweat, a lot of moisture in a dark enclosed area.  So cleaning this every evening is really important. There's another little piece right here that I use to help compensate for some of the areas that are weaker on my leg. It helps build up some padding basically. When I take off my leg at the end of the day, you can very clearly see the circle where this pad has been sitting. It kind of looks red and angry and like it hurts. It's actually not that bad, thankfully. And that redness and swelling goes down within a couple minutes. So I'm gonna rinse these off. I'm gonna use ivory soap because it is what is recommended for us amputees. Thankfully, I have my handy-dandy shower right here. So I don't have to like try to hop or balance when I'm cleaning these.  By the morning, they're nice and dry and easy to use again. If I decide to skip that step and just rip my leg off at the end of the day and go to bed, I wake up in the morning to a very dirty liner, which is not a good idea to keep on your skin. I do have a second liner I can use as backup. So sometimes I'll switch them out but making sure I'm actually going through the step of cleaning those things and also cleaning my leg at the end of every day is really important. So the next thing I do is actually clean my actual leg. I'm not gonna lie, sometimes I just do that straight in the sink here. This is also the time of the day that I check my skin, make sure there aren't any sores or redness or irritation or weird marks or anything like that going on. As an amputee, those are really important to watch out for. They can turn into big issues pretty quickly because if you're wearing a prosthesis, like I said, your leg is encased in like moisture and everything many hours during the day. And so even a small cut or irritation can escalate into a bad infection very quickly. So you've got to be careful about that stuff. Okay, next we are going to be using our shrinkers. These are basically very elastic tight fitting socks that I put over my residual limb. This helps it keep its shape and not get swollen overnight. In all honesty, there have been nights when I have not wanted to put one on or just forgot or whatever. And the next day it's hard to get my prosthetic leg on because it doesn't fit. It's nuts to me that just wearing a slightly tight fitting sock can like help you actually keep the shape of your limb for the next day, but that is how it works. Next, you will notice I have my eye walk right here. This is what I use at the end of the day to get around. If I want to like take my leg off and completely be done and not worry about all the cleaning and stuff at the end of the day, I'll just get home after work and or when I'm done with work and just pop my eye walk on right away. I'll be honest, the end of the day stuff is one thing that I usually get pretty crabby about. I'm still learning to just adjust to the process of, hey, you're gonna have extra steps at the end of every day and that's okay. So it started to feel a little bit more normal. I feel like my morning routine, which I did a video on which I'll pop up above. I would definitely recommend watching that. I've gotten used to, but the evening routine because I'm usually tired. I'm like, I don't want to do it. I don't want to take care of my leg, but it's so important that I do that. So I am trying to be pretty good about doing the things I have to do every evening. There are some nights when I fall into bed here and it is hard to sleep because of phantom pain. You don't know what phantom pain is. I have a big video coming up about that in the near future, but it's basically your brain still sending signals to the part of your leg that isn't there anymore and you get some weird sensation and weird pain. It can definitely keep me up some nights. I have noticed that wearing that shrinker, that tight elastic sock can sometimes help. I think the pressure helps to relieve some of the pain. But yeah, those are the steps I go through every evening. Though I am still adjusting, it's nice to kind of get in a routine of things, get in a habit.  Like every evening, but we all have things that we do every evening. I did forget to mention, I do brush my teeth every evening too, but that didn't seem particularly interesting to put on camera. So, thank you again so much to our sponsor DuVole and EasyMix for helping me make this video for sponsoring it, for sending me your products. They are really delightful. I highly recommend checking them out. If you use the link in the description, like I said, there's a discount code down there. I really love that spinner brush. I always wanted to have one. I always wanted to use one and see what it was like. See if I actually liked it and I really do. I've really been enjoying using it on all different parts of my body. Like the whole body brush and also just like the facial exfoliation and the pumice stone and all of that. So, check it out, check out EasyMix and the link down below. Let me know if there are other amputee-specific routine kind of videos you'd like to see. I would love to hear any suggestions. And to my patrons, thank you for being here. Thank you for choosing to support this channel. I really couldn't do this without you and I'm grateful for each and every one of you. If you're interested in becoming a patron in participating in that community and seeing what that looks like for you and financially supporting this channel, check out the link on screen or in the description down below, I would appreciate it. And to you, watching this video, thank you so much for spending a few minutes out of your day here with me today. You could be anywhere in the world doing anything and you chose to hang out with me for a few minutes and that means the world to me. Thank you. I love you guys, I'm thinking about you and I will see you in the next video. And her from the sky all about her body.


Well, what makes a book a book? Is it the words, the illustrations, or the form it comes in? The New York Mills Regional Cultural Center's latest exhibit looks to expand the meaning behind a book's binding. Mal Meyer has a story for this week's in focus from New York Mills. The book is art exhibit has been open for about a week. It currently features artists from Fargo, Duluth, Moorhead, and even Manitoba. There's a lot of different art forms that are represented in the show that questionably could be books or not. As with many of the shows, the Cultural Center hopes to get people questioning what they're viewing. It's kind of fun to just think about art in different ways and books in different ways. For example, this series of 3D mixed media pieces are included in the exhibit. We have a second grade teacher from Moorhead, Paul Arson, he's got some really whimsical fun things. Another one of the artists featured is a gallery curator, Jill Johnson. She gave a nod to her Swedish heritage by making thin dresses with faint writing. A lot of variety and really challenging what books are. The center hopes to include other artists and non-artists alike. They're looking for people to lend the center their own books for an additional installation. So whether it's an old family book or if it's an old Finnish Bible, there's a lot of Finnish people in our area or any language for that matter. The curator will be putting together the piece. Some of the older, more delicate books will be displayed but not touched by exhibit goers. She was sure to say that books will not be harmed or will be very careful with them. She says the center has reached out to people before to contribute to the exhibits as part of their core mission values. That celebrating the local piece is really all about making those connections to community and community is not just New York Mills. It's our surrounding region. Our reception for the gallery will be held on December 3rd from four to six. In New York Mills with this week's in focus, I'm Mal Meyer, Lakeland News. If you've enjoyed this segment of Lakeland News, please consider making a tax deductible contribution to Lakeland Public Television.


Triple A Oramus review. Hey, what's up guys, it's Josh here. Today I wanna do a little review on this Triple A Oramus. I've gone more in depth in Oramus on other videos. I'm just gonna be kind of explaining how it compares to the other kinds of Oramus and basically the effects that I get off it and why I choose to buy it all the time. So Oramus is my second favorite supplement of all time. It's something that I pretty much never run out of. It is very, very expensive. You can make it on your own. If it's ever out, I always reorder it. You know, I've ordered the normal one probably about 20, 30 times. Since I'm trying Oramus all the time, might as well try different brands and maybe I'll find something I'll like. Almost all these Oramus's have been great. I don't think I've had one that I just really didn't like or had a bad experience with. Just certain ones were more potent than others. So Oramus can come in a lot of different shapes and sizes. This is pretty much my favorite kind where it's this milky white Oramus, which is similar to suspended solutions. And come, I've seen it kind of come in more of like oily substance before. I've seen it come in more of a liquidy substance before, but this is the one that I prefer the most. And I think they get that white from milk of magnesia. I feel like it helps protect the minerals a little bit better. I don't know, that's just my theory. So Oramus is essentially minerals from a certain area, usually from a sea, you can get it from the Dead Sea salt, sometimes from the Himalaya, sometimes from Hawaii. You basically get some really, really high quality salt and then you do this process to basically spin it. The way I would describe it is basically alkaline it. So, you know, when you think of alkaline water, so this is basically just minerals, now they've been alkaline, they're a little bit more charged there, you know, a little bit more readily accessible. The effects that I get off Oramus is a very clean headed feeling. I feel much more connected with my mind and my body.  Usually when I take Oramus, when I take a lot of Oramus, I just don't really enjoy doing things that are bad for me. It's kind of a weird thing. That's just the effect that I get off it. I just feel more connected to myself. Really, really strong energy boost. You know, overall it's just kind of like a vitality style blend. I don't really eat that well. I don't take too many multivitamins. So I'm kind of always trying to get a little bit of nutrients that are very, very high quality in me at all times. So there's no chance of, you know, my body really running too low on any one nutrient. So I really have no problems with this one. I really did enjoy it. It's the consistency that I like. I get the normal effects that I like from Oramus. I think I got this from Amazon. I will go ahead and put the price that I paid for it down below. Hopefully it was a better deal than suspended solutions Oramus, but we shall see. But anyways, guys, I totally recommend that everybody try Oramus at least once. I know it's so expensive. You could probably return it if you ended up hating it from like, you know, eBay or Amazon, you probably won't be able to rebuy it. But for me, I really, really enjoyed this stuff. It's almost like, if you think of what people say it's like a psychedelic awakening experience minus any of the weirdness, any of the trip. It's just kind of just things make more sense in your life. It's hard to describe while having more energy. Triple A Oramus, I really, really like it. I highly recommend it. And if it has a good price, we'll see when I put the price on screen. But if it has a good price, I totally recommend it. Anyways, guys, we're on the road of 50,000 subscribers and I couldn't do without any of you guys. I hope you guys are the best. Having a great day out here. Hopefully having a great day at home. See you all in the next video. Peace.


So, I didn't actually know that this was a thing, but we're finding out a lot in post-Roe America. This is from the Kansas City Star. Women in Missouri can't get a divorce while pregnant. Many fear what this means post-Roe. In Missouri, divorce cases cannot be finalized if a woman is pregnant since a custody agreement must first be in place. Multiple attorneys told the star that custody agreement cannot be completed until the child is born. So now, since you can't get an abortion, if you're with an abusive spouse and you're pregnant, there's no escape. You can't get a divorce. That is, that's gross. I mean, this is legally making women second-class citizens. They have less rights than men in the state of Missouri and now in many states in the United States. But I want to share this video. This is from CNN. I believe this was originally on local news, but CNN picked it up. So this woman explains how she was forced to carry a dead fetus within her for two weeks because of anti-abortion laws in her state. Let's watch. Marlene Estelle and Adie De Silva have always wanted a little brother or sister for their daughter, Adelina. Instead, what they got was a nightmare because of a Texas anti-abortion law. I get so angry that I was treated this way because of laws that were passed by men who have never been pregnant and never will be. Estelle's nightmare started out as a dream come true. After months of trying, she became pregnant late last summer. We were super excited because we didn't think I could get pregnant. An ultrasound at seven and a half weeks showed all was well. But at an ultrasound two weeks later. She said, there is no heartbeat. There is no viable pregnancy. Estelle asked her doctor for a standard treatment, a surgery to remove the fetal remains. She says her doctor refused. That surgery, commonly known as a DNC, is the same procedure used to abort a living fetus. She said, well, because of the new law that's passed, you're going to have to get another ultrasound for me to be able to even do anything for you. Overwhelmed emotionally and physically. The pain would get so severe, it would be hard to walk. She went to get a second invasive ultrasound at an imaging center, describing it later in a YouTube video. Someone shoves a wand in my sensitive area and tells me, hey, you lost your baby again. I shouldn't have to go through that twice. So you had to hear it twice that you lost a baby. It's cut rich. Just stop for a moment and acknowledge the context here. This is somebody who wanted a child, right? There's this notion from conservatives who believe that women are using abortion as a form of birth control and they're very flippant.  That's not the way that it works. Banning abortion also affects women like this, who maybe she's aligned with Republicans. I have no idea. It could be somebody who's anti-abortion, I'm assuming not now, but she could think that abortion is something that she would never do herself. So perhaps she's aligned philosophically with Republicans. But yet this is still harming her. She was forced to be in pain because she couldn't get a procedure from doctors who were terrified that they would be prosecuted or lose their licenses. This is insanity. I'm sorry. That's okay. Because you already know what you're going to see. Yeah, it's like it's double trauma, right? First of all, she learns that the pregnancy is not viable, which she wanted to have a baby. So that's sad. And then the pain compounds when she learns that she's going to have to carry around a dead fetus for weeks and deal with the pain associated with that. So barbaric and cruel. This country is horrible.  A despicable state to enact laws like this that put women through this.  She's just like seeing it twice, being told that you're not going to be a mom. Even after that second ultrasound, would your obstetrician give you the surgical procedure? No. No.  So you were walking around carrying a dead fetus. And just emotionally carrying it around and just knowing that there's nothing you could do. It just feels very, it's like I can't grieve or move past it because I'm just walking around carrying it. And I'm assuming that she has to get multiple ultrasounds to legally build this case before the doctor performs this procedure so they can confirm beyond a shadow of a doubt the fetus was dead. They did not do an abortion on a live fetus. Like they're trying to create a legal case. The doctors are for, you know, in the event they're prosecuted. That's what they have to put women through. Doctors are saying, I just don't feel comfortable yet. So she, you're putting women in this position when they have miscarriages that they have to supply the doctors with a mountain of evidence to make sure that they are protected from lawsuits. This is so, so despicable. But this is what we knew would happen. Dr. Lillian Shapiro has been an OBGYN in Atlanta for more than 30 years. When a woman is walking around with a dead fetus for weeks because she can't get a surgical procedure, what's the danger to her? She can develop an infection that can make her sterile and never able to have children again. Or even worse. The baby dies inside. The baby starts to release parts of its tissue that can get into the mother's blood supply. It can cause organ failure. It can cause death. In Texas and some other states, a doctor who does the right thing. I just got a positive point out. But this is, this is what the pro-lifers wanted. They put women in this situation where their policies could lead to death. But they're pro-life, don't worry. They're the ones who are moral. They're the ones who are philosophically pro-life. They care about life. Yet they subject women to these barbaric conditions that could kill them. And surgically removes a dead fetus could be vulnerable to an expensive lawsuit. Any private citizen can walk in the court and say, I think Dr. Smith performed an abortion. And citizens aren't incentivized to bring such cases. They can win more than $10,000. That's right. So Texas, with their anti-abortion law, they deputized citizens.   You can try to turn them in and get $10,000. You could do this to your own enemies. I mean, there's a similar example of this with the war on terror, where people in these countries who we were occupying, they were incentivized to turn other people in for terrorism. And what happened was they weren't catching more terrorists. They were just seeing people turn in their enemies. People turn in individual snitch on them for not being terrorists, but they didn't like them to get revenge. But they're doing that now to American citizens. So that way, if you know someone, you know, you're incentivized. I mean, $10,000.  So if you're broke, if you don't have a lot of money, if you can't pay the bills and feed your family, somebody in that situation could say, look, this is bad. I don't want to do this, but it's them or my family's starves. Like, I don't know if this particular scenario will come to fruition, but you put, when you put citizens against each other, things like this happen. You cultivate this climate of paranoia, where you turn people against each other. And that just adds another layer of insanity to this already barbaric law. But this is the modern Republican party. They're pro-life. And even when doctors can prove the fetus was dead, the doctor still has to be responsible for their own legal fees. They're gonna lose even if they win. And that's the chilling effect. They face this specter of potentially endless, ruinous litigation that they just can't stop, they can't avoid, they can't preempt. That's a great point. Because, yeah, even though the doctor is saying, get another ultrasound, another one, another one. I mean, they might still go out of business if they have to defend themselves. It's not easy to defend yourself in court. So while, you know, those ultrasounds and evidence that the fetus was already dead might stop them from going to prison, it's still gonna harm their practice. Wow. As I spoke with Stell, I thought back to how between my second and third children, I had a miscarriage that was handled very differently. They saw there was no heartbeat. They did a DNC. It allowed me to move on quickly and get pregnant again. And then I go pregnant again too. Right, and that's great. And that is the story that we wanna hear from people. Stell was not so lucky. She did finally manage to find a doctor to perform her DNC, but it took two weeks. She worries the nightmare could happen to her again. Are you trying to get pregnant again? No. Why not? I'm worried about getting infected, have something happen to me, and then my daughter's left without her mom. See, this is what you did, pro-lifers. Pro-lifers. This is what you did.  It's just too risky. This is what your policies did. This is what banning abortion looks like. This is what we warned you about, but you didn't listen. You said, no, no, no. We're pro-life. Don't tell me any facts. Don't tell me any statistics. Don't tell me about anything else. I just wanna do what I think feels right because feelings over facts. So I think that we should ban women from getting abortions, and I'm protecting babies. Yeah, you're not protecting babies. You're harming people.  This is what this movement has collectively pushed for for 50 years. They did this. This is what they did to women. This is the result of pro-life policies. Contemplating moving away from Texas, away from their extended family, just so they can try to get pregnant again. Wow. Marlene Estelle pointed out the irony to me, Caitlyn, that a law forcing women to have children they don't want is forcing her to consider not having children she does want. Caitlyn? Elizabeth, thank you for that report, and also for sharing your own personal experience. I think that's really meaningful. Thanks. Yeah, I mean, as the stat said, one in four pregnancies end in miscarriage. These are not uncommon stories. Just in the comment section, women are sharing their stories. I'm literally crying right now. I miscarried so I can imagine carrying a fetus for two weeks inside of you because no one will remove it. Why make someone suffer like that? That's so cruel and inhumane. Yeah. I mean, I've known women who had miscarriages and they wanted to have the child and it was extremely traumatic, but this just adds trauma to that. It adds insult to injury. I miscarried early in a pregnancy many years ago. I was gushing blood, lost a lot of it. If the hospital hadn't been able to do an emergency DNC, I likely would have died from blood loss. My heart goes out to all American women living through this male-made dystopia.  I lost the baby at 27 weeks, but I had to carry that baby for another two weeks to this day 43 years later. I still heard as no one should have to go through this thankfully if there was anything to be thankful for at all, was that the two weeks time I came into labor without the nursing staff help, it actually wasn't until the last hour that they realized that I was in labor. It is the most horrible time for any woman and having an ultrasound, it really got even more gut-wrenching all medical procedure involving pregnancy should be between the woman and the doctor involved. The government should butt out. Exactly, exactly. This person, I've lost multiple pregnancies, it's devastating. I found out at a routine checkup past six months each time. No heartbeat, total devastation. They send you home knowing the pregnancy inside you is lost. You sit at home in a trance and wait for a call to come to the hospital to deliver. They had to induce each time it took days. Wow. And look, there are people who I know in my life who they're at risk for egg-topic pregnancies at unusually high risk for egg-topic pregnancies, which 100% of the time the fetus is not viable. But this is what Republicans wanted. This is the world that they are forcing us to live into. This is what theocracy looks like where you just traumatize women because you don't understand anything about abortions and pregnancies and you just superimpose your bizarre moral ideas onto other people. I mean, if you are pro-life, you are de facto pro-death because banning abortion isn't going to get rid of abortions. It's just that women will either have to seek out unsafe illegal abortions or they may have to wait to get a DNC if they have a miscarriage and that fetus could kill them. It's just, it's, I mean, women are second-class citizens in the United States of America.  And so now that woman wants to move out of Texas. Can you blame her?  I wouldn't wanna live in that state. I wouldn't want a woman that I love to live in that state. It's horrific.


Ghosting is ultimately about control. It's a form of control. It's a form of digital silent treatment.  So I avoid and bypass emotional discomfort.  That's the essence of ghosting. It is a form of ultimately emotional control and manipulation when people do that. The thing about ghosting is it's worse because if I ghost you and cut you off with no explanation, I leave you to try and invent an explanation and I don't care what that might be, whether it's accurate or not, whether it's the truth or it's worse than the truth and your invented idea is more damaging actually than what I did do it for. It is no care about what you put into that space. So what happens with ghosting is it feels like deliberate emotional cruelty because I leave you to figure it out.