This week we've decided that we're gonna try and get like into the into an era best player of an era so we're gonna start with Howard Kendall Mark I because we can't go back any further because I wasn't born mmm he's quoting now and he was shitt and you wanna get away from the current shite so and we don't know what we're gonna say honestly no, so, if both say the same Can I have a reserve, I have one that is a reserve, go on. So the best player of the Howard Kendall era mar hwan in your opinion, Baz, was? I'm not going to say it. I'm not going to say it. This is really difficult. Because there was so many brilliant players and you couldn't have made a case for probably most of them for being the best of what he did within that era, but I'm gone just purely on quality here and the best player I think of that era was Trevor Stephen. And why I've chosen Trevor Stephen, listen I could have gone personal favourite but I've been 18 years because I actually love 18 years, but Trevor Stephen had everything, absolutely everything great in the air, good pace of baron, skillful score goals, never really went missing, you know, he was upping down that line with Gary Stevens and I just think for what he was, played up front a few times when he needed emergency striker, he was just absolutely brilliant to me. Interesting shout. I mean I've got a 1985 sheet with number seven on the back, so you know, I love tricky Trevor, brilliant player. I was actually going to say somebody and then I thought at the last minute, no, it's somebody else and I will reveal who the person I was going to say is. And I'll tell you whether it's the one or the other, I would say. And I was going to say Kevin Sheedy. He was be first thought for technique.  He could score goals, take pens, he had a little bit of devil in there as well. He had a bit of everything about him. But then at the last minute, a lightball went on my head and I thought, no, it's got to be this person. And who do you think that person is? Neville Southall. Neville Southall. He was my reserve.  I nearly went for him because I thought he was the best player in the world in his position and obviously Trevor Steven wasn't, so Boratio Trevor Steven, basically went for it and I'll feel playable Neville Southall to make one of the best ever to play the game certainly in the era that I've seen. In wealth football I'm talking about, but for me at the time at his peak was easily the best goal he could know well. Yeah, and that's why I chose to go for him because at the end of the day, if you took him at a whole era, you need a level of consistency and when Neville Southall wasn't in goal, it was pretty much the whole of the 86 season, but it was the whole of the 86 season pretty much, wasn't it? No. But it was nearly all of the 86, not all of it. He got injured in February 86. So it was the important bit, sorry, the important bit. It was to keep the business end because we were still involved in everything. So the business end of it, and I think that showed why we never won the double that season. I think we would have if never been playing. We definitely won one.  Yeah, so exact. So it was just, I suppose he was the backbone on what the club was, and all those other players were, I'm not saying they were all interchangeable, they weren't, but if one player at a time was out, we normally had adequate replacements where they're, you know, Kevin Richardson coming in and done a job anyway, Alan Harper coming in and doing a job, Adrian Heath coming, doing a job. We always had, we always had players there and there about, but with Neff, it was pretty much irreplaceable. And I just think that, I think knowing that you've got a player of his ability in goal for you gives the rest of the team almost a license to push forward and go and win games. And also, you know, leadership qualities as well. He brought, you know, he was faced into training, lost out to training, just he run the dressing room. He was, he was so much about him when there was a lot of sort of big characters in that dressing room who sort of, I would imagine pushed out their personas a lot more than Neff did. I just think Neff didn't have to do that. I just think he was just like his own man, comfortable, comfortable being who he was and it didn't matter.  I think he just, he just, he was the key man, he was just the key man for me and I think that's why go down has been for me the most important. Yeah, listen, like I've just said, he was the best goalkeeper that probably I've ever seen. He was incredible. Certainly I haven't been able to see that over and over in the world at that time. It's just unbelievable there was games that he just winging on his own when slayers went through, you were surprised when he scored. That's what he was like. Such a big presence, seeing him make saves in games that some people have hit it. Remember Gregg Dan, Coventry, he didn't even win anything when we beat them one little and Coventry scored, Gregg Dan did the free kick and put his arms up because he thought it was in and Salto's come from nowhere and tipped it over the bar. He saved the hardest penalty I've ever seen from Brian Kilclyne, who's just well-eared it and he kept it out. And that was in the season and we didn't win anything, but I think, like you say, 85, unbelievable, 86, he was brilliant and he just went and caught a cross and landed, and that was it, his ankle was done. Bobby Mims done well, you know, he won the league of black players, he wasn't a shite goalkeeper, he'd come in and done well but he wasn't Neville Salto, he wasn't that presence and I think other people got confident when Neville's in the strikers way and his confidence, and it showed the next season, Bobby Mims started the season because Neville wasn't ready but Neville was back for the business end and we won the league and that was the key difference, we didn't win it the year before, we won it the year later and it, like you say, he was just, you'd see strikers go through and shrink because it was him that had the pleasure of training with them and everything and he just welly shot and he just catty with one hand and throw it back and you just be like, welly, you shite off and you're saving it and throw in it, back brother keepers because Bobby Mims was the same as Bobby Mims and Fred Barber, and then when they were being, you'd be curling them round, they were leathering past them and he'd just go back to you, back to, and you were like, no wonder, like top class strikers, like physically shrink with them, you know, and now he and Rush had his fair share of goals against them, brother time, just to go through and he'd save it and you'd be like, that was a goal, without him that was a goal and he'd done it to every striker, he'd done it to, I mean you watch, I've done some Retro B watches and we've seen them and we've like been laughing at the saves that he made, you know, the very, the famous little mantas at chef wedd, when we won the three saves in that which are unbelievable and then even later in his career in 95 at Wembley, the double save from schools and stuff like that, just unbelievable goalkeeper and everything, like your striker, the first then, last out great, great fella, you know, straight, would have you, no problem, no problem bollwch yng Nghaernau, what we don't see now, I mean Jordan Pickford's got a bit of it, he doesn't mind giving the robot salt off, you'd grab your, you didn't want to mess with him and Evan had a lot of those characters which probably the reason why he was so good at that time is that the other team followed him, he was, he was instrumental in everything. Can I just, can I just, this, he was my favourite. He was yours, yeah, sorry, yeah.  Trevor Steven, like I say, he came obviously coming from Burnley, Liverpool wanted him and we got him and he come in and he was a little bit hit and missed the first season, come in and think he found it difficult stepping off from, he played for Burnley actually, I hadn't felt it here before we signed him in the League Cup, think they got to it, the semi-final, they played really well and they were keeping an eye on him and now a Kendall Pants like, and come in and he was a little bit, as you do as the players you step up do, but 84, 85, sorry 83, 84, when he got in properly and he got his head down and we ended up getting to two-cuff finals, he was just fantastic and you know we've seen him at Wembley when he threw the crossing for the old Andy Greigol and he was great because he could go inside, outside Trevor Steven, it wasn't always outside, if they showed him inside he'd come in for a few in my left foot, he could play off the left hand side as well, make it said he could play through the middle, you know he was it, it's really difficult choosing players actually from that side because when I think back I just, I loved all of them, absolutely loved that, I don't know whether it was because I was a kid as well, but I loved every player, I loved Alan Harper and Richard and they, they hardly play, you know Richard did, Alan Harper was in and out, you know players like, we have like people like Paul Wilkinson who didn't, you know, I'm, it's that good to some of them, he beat us Grimsby and we fucking bullied them, we had about 35 shots and they got a free kick in the last minute and he scored, and then he beat us 1-0 on the bottom and he was a lad that had come in, scored a couple of goals and then he'd be back out of the team, no and it was just like oh he's not playing because he's in each back with a Grimshop or whatever, and that was what was great about that side, but when you go through that side Peter Reid, wore a footballer, wore a midfield player, he was brash well, one of the most gifted midfielders because he had everything, you can go through it Gary Steeveill, you know it is, you look now it actually makes you quite sad when you look at this team now that there's not many alike and there's not many who you'd want with you in a battle but that Evanton said you'd want them all with you because they all dug in, but saying that they came from, that was a good decision when we drew Neil the Coventry and he had fucking cousins came down and people were kindled out and all that, it just shows your Andy Gray was a bit of a key turn of points in it, but he was there when the Coventry things came down and it was like six weeks after that, but once that thing turned and we got on a run, the characters came out in the end, the true characters came out, a face that might have just been the lack of you know, not football ability but confidence and things like that, but there was always characters there with that. I love Trevor Stephen, I just think he is one of the most underrated English players that we've had in the last 30 years, I just loved, it's weird with me, I don't know whether it's because it's like out of sight, out of mind, but I've got no, I've got no time for Grame Sharp whatsoever, I think he's a dickhead if I'm honest, I haven't met him after, I just think I just don't like him and it's sourd my, you know when people say you don't never meet your heroes, for some people it's true, some people it's true, Trevor Stephen, I've met Trevor Stephen after football and I've been in his company and I've spoken to him. And have you found him? I found him very, very sort of intelligent, sort of down to a feather who was slightly, I think he's slightly removed from the Everton thing because of the other teams he played for, but still you know, you went into like being an agent and stuff didn't he, and very intelligent and knows the game and I remember speaking to him a lot of few things at the time and not really to Trevor, more to do with like podcasts and stuff that I was doing and he was, you know, he was interested and told me about him, but I think there's that, that creates that like, wonderment that you keep in your head about a bad person rather than thinking about how they aren't, I mean I would love, I would love to remember to say and play as well how they were on the football pitch, but once you get to know them, I mean don't get me wrong, there's nothing better in the world than meeting a footballer and finding out there is fucking boss like, I've been dead lucky, I played with Nev and I had a day with Nev on it, it was fucking, it was a scream, it was a scream from beginning to end, Watson, Agent Eiff, all great fellas, Agent Eiff, I mean, I sat up to drink with Agent Eiff and Watson till six in the morning, wacky one I don't like, well that's fair enough, I've met him, I've, he's a bit of a loof, he's a bit of a loof, I think, I think, but I sat with him all day, quite hard at the time, he was sad and Nev's the same Agent Eiff and we've spoke to him since and you've got to speak to him and stuff and he's dead on the level and but Trevor, you know, he's one of them where he's sort of, he left the club at a time where, you know, it was, when he left the club, it was at that moment where he needed those players, Eamon Gary Stevens and I don't know whether that's, not saying that's soured the relationship, it just felt like a bit unfulfilled. I think the problem was he stayed, Gary Stevens went, you're right Tom, Tom's just asking about it the window, Gary Stevens went and then obviously the European Bams then range is coming with some shiny money in and we probably, as a club, we probably should have done more to keep them, but whether the glory or maybe we should have done more to fight the European band maybe? No maybe, yeah, but Trevor Stevens, it was obviously well known that he was, range is one to them and the last few games obviously at Wembley and the 18-9 cofan of people got on the pitch and much, yeah, you know, having a goal where I'm saying he wasn't trying and maybe that's how it did a bit, but for the years that he was there, he was fantastic for us and just such a great player, but I don't, I just remember the, the youthness when I was at Eiff and then basically, watch, maybe I don't like watching cos he just kicks you out of me on the training pitch and he was a bit of a, he was a bit of a loof, a bit of a loof like some of them you meet now on the green and Derek Montfield loved it cos he's never, he's never been any different, he's always the same, never, never been any different and some of them are, some of them are guarded and he after being and when he's rushed you can't get the guard, drop something, that's what it's about, but Trevor Stevens, I can't, I just remember him, I remember him as a player and I remember him from training and in training he'd just finish and go, so he was quite removed almost, but he, I remember he was one of those like, suppose you'd call it like a thinking football, but yeah it was in the, it was in the very time and then he had other interests outside of it as well, so he was like that, but I remember he had the fucking boss calm and he had the regular, recuperator first and he had to get it, yeah.  I look back at that Demir interesting, I hate the way Sky have changed, I hate the way it's gone through Sky, but if Sky had to be a thing, I wish Sky would have come in 10 years earlier for all the footage and that because I think if you'd have had all that footage, the proper footage the way it is, he would be one of those players that people would revere, people would go, what a fuckhole are you going to go back because you get the grace. Listen, we're looking for an outcome.     He kicked from anywhere. Take it, he was, he was fucking, I said it was amazing, I said I told him he was the best in the world, I'm not being dramatic on the side of these things, I said, you know, 86, he said he was not short after player in your, and we signed him and then we sold him to Barcelona on it.  It's because of the sky then, that's what I'm saying. It's not just the sky, no, it's not, no, it's about the TV, it's what I'm saying, if that would have landed 10 years earlier, then all this would have been at that time, everything would have been, out there being everywhere.  I mean, I know why, but at the end of the day, there's other clubs not so far away who even though they, they, they moved on didn't they, but we just didn't, we didn't, for some reason, we didn't move on. We were the ones it hate most, and maybe, I don't know whether that, whether it was a mental thing, but we didn't move. This, I'll be honest, right? This is why I don't like Cephalocarta and can't, I can't take to all the Stan stuff, and I know people have different opinions than me, but I, I can't have them, because as far as I'm concerned, he never fought to keep us in your room.  I won't go into that. But he never fought, and I can't have him for that. He wasted the biggest opportunity ever, never had, because of someone else's doing. And then, what made it wear? We never reacted. They reacted. They went on board the best three players in the land. They, you know, the year after we won the league.  We just stood there twiddling our phones going, what shall we do next? Well, we need a new manager. Yeah, just get, just give it a calling. And then we went, oh, shall we buy? And it was a wee fear, but Tony Carter, he was quite short after that. It's not going into that area. No, but I'm just saying. No, no, but you're right, we didn't, we didn't, I don't think we'd done enough to fight it. We should have gone and got an injunction or whatever. We should have gone and said, we haven't done anything. We're not being bonded. It's wrong and blah, blah, blah. Oh, we should have signed an agreement that when it was back open, we were the first. We didn't do anything. We just, we just took it. That's what the clam was for. The clam was at the time, you remember at the time. People saying if they get back in, everything needs to go back in first because they're the team that's been here by it. We twice feel like it's done it. But, but you're right in terms of investments and everything. We should have built. You build when you're strong. You don't build when you're weakened because everybody else. If you're, you get stronger, you keep it. You keep building and building and building at the position of strength and that's how you maintain an area. I mean, don't get me wrong. Ultimately, the European band did for Liverpool as well because yes, they won in 80, 88. And they won in 85 and haven't come defended. But what I'm saying is that some of the league as well, they just, they won a couple more, but they won out of steam, didn't they? I mean, yeah, ultimately. But, you know, that, you know, I just think there's so many players that we look back on with such fondness and adore them. And other people just don't even know who they are, don't know who they are. Trevor Stephen, you wouldn't know. Someone wouldn't know Trevor Stephen is because he's not on telly anyway. You know, he probably did a little bit afterwards, but he's not that kind of fellow. He doesn't come across giving it the big I am. I won this and I won that. He's not like that whatsoever. You could probably walk past them in the streets and he wouldn't, you wouldn't know who he was. Where there's all the Liverpool players went on telly and Hanson and stuff and Lawrence and they projected that image of we've done this and we've done that. And our players never really did that, really. You know, the only one I would really say did that was probably Rady, but that's because he went into management and, but like everyone else stayed quite in chill out and Grameshaw local doesn't go on national telly very often. So it's, so he's seen as, you know, I don't know whether that may be because it's funny because it might be something to do with the affinity Grameshaw and the Gray obviously did, but people then go, oh, he's not in it. He's not ever Tony because he's like giving it the commentary in the Liverpool games, giving it the, you know, all that. But that's because that's how he got to where he was. I had Leon O's when a few weeks on stage and that and Giffords asked him about the telly in the radio. You never off it. And he went to know and he said, he said, I said we and I've been told not to. And that's because I like to think that Evertonians can't help but say we or players have played for us. But the idea is Liverpool players go and they've put X players go on the telly.  So it is mad that those players, because you know, you know players from other clubs who are nowhere near as good as our players. And it's like the names are like riveting. You go on. I would like getting talked all like that. And our team was like amazing. No one speaks about them. You're like, it's perception isn't it? It's perception. It's perception. It's this idea.   He was a, he was a, he was a never be wasn't he?  Jamie Reddnack who lifted trophies wearing a suit every time.  Well that's the thing, but that don't mind the weekend. Amen.   But we've gone away from this oven. We've gone away from, when Sky first started and every match would have like a punt, you know, you'd have someone in the studio from ever known, someone from the opposite time or whatever. It was always fair. And then I think it might have been because of the whole keys and keys thing, because it was like, no, we need a team that we can rely on. And you know what I mean? Like never leaves the circle of trust sort of thing. That's probably what. Shit. But then it's also gone on. We want the best it's also gone on like, I mean, look at, look at, we've gone madly over time.  They don't want him on the ITV, they don't want him on BT. That's okay, right? Because he's doing the games and that's great. And he does the mundane. I thought he didn't get it. Listen, I don't mind you any character. People don't care about character in our comments. I thought he was dead fair on the comments he did the other day. And what he says is right. I want people like Neville going on and calling our players. And character. I want them calling. If people listen to that, I like to, right? Now it's even better when footballers go, it's terrible if they don't have a clue when you think they've got to you, haven't they? The worst thing you can have is a summariser who would just, you just ask kiss. I don't, I once, I've got no issue with the likes of Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher, right? Cos I've had Carragher slate in Liverpool. Yeah. Right? But Jamie Redd now doesn't say if I'm weird about them. Good or bad. But he'll have a go at everything. Doesn't say you're weird. You know, Danny Murphy, the exact same thing. Soon as, you know, if you only have to put on the role there, Gerard. And you're like, you know, Stephen Gerard's not working in Liverpool. Fine, be a summariser. But he's at Liverpool now. So we shouldn't be anywhere near the telly talking about Everton. Regardless of whether he's right about Everton or wrong, going to believe the other day he was probably right about what he said about Everton. But he's employed by Liverpool football club. So we shouldn't have any opinion on Liverpool.  If he's brought into new a game by game.  You have no problem if he's coming into the, you know, whoever he's brought into the events. It's great cos he's been a great player. And you don't mind, but I just think to, I just think for, and if it was like the sky go look, the R team for this, for the four o'clock on a Sunday, Super Sunday, is Jamie Redd napp and Terry Henry, right? No problem with that. If that's the four o'clock game, right?  Cos he's a fucking... There you go. The debate has gone all, any other business? Debating now. Anyway, Travis Steven, yeah. Now I think you've just nailed it there, is that for such an amazing team, it is like the forgotten team. It is kind of like, I think I'm good with it. Or did you have any good players and you're like, you should know. But you know what? I'll be honest, it's not the only forgotten team now. Let's be fair now. No, no, because... Yeah, but it's all about us. I know we are not in the Forrest Fancy. Well, I was going to say no, but not in the Forrest and that's good that... I'm not just in Villa Cunas, by the way, but yeah. I was just about to say, asked in Villa 82, they won a European Cup, a Forrest won two European Cups and won the lead. And what was good about Forrest is that film came out recently. And there's a film coming about at Everton soon, so all three of that sort of. And I sent you the thing of the day, I was watching top of the Pops 85. And here we are. It was like 26 and then the next one, they were like to number 13. It was boss.  Everton in the chat. Me, me, missus, we're just sitting there going, how depressing do we feel?  And we're sitting there watching top of the Pops from 1985, when all the music was boss.  That's what she said. I'm a bit of Kendrick. Come on. He's not in Tate. He's not. He's not. That's Lebron. Kendrick's a bit. That's why he was, that's why he was called Kendrick, but actually the 10 bits for Kenny Daglish. And Lamar was just because he liked Lamar. That was basically. I can't argue with that. He's got John written on his arm. Yeah. So what's he and Everton in the charts? I was just like, I was thinking, this is May 85. And I honest to God, I was sitting there just thinking, we've just been beaten by Bailey away. And man, I just saw my little dice. And I'm literally watching. I was just like, like we're talking now. I was just like, May 85, though. We've got to be bi-united in the cup. No, but we just had to sell for the league in the cup. The players were all drunk.  And he didn't mean drunk. He was all the time. If he'd have had two more days.  Steve, I know what I've got up front. Can you name me? Can you name me team? Obviously, shout out. It's me, the main team. Shout out Stevens. Bandanaw. I haven't even seen the squad, so I'm just going to guess it. So, Racklift. Now, have you gone Watson or Mumfield? I can't knock on Mumfield, can I? Okay, go on. All right. So, Trichy, Kevin Cee, the rebraise belt. So, it's your front two. Yeah. It's your four-fold two. I think you've gone. Sharp and linear. Ah, yeah, I've gone sharp and linear. I've gone sharp and linear. Andy Gray and Heath on the bench. Andy Gray. Andy Neath. Andy Neath. Richo. Richo. Paul Power. Power. I picked the squad as well, by the way. Winklach. Oh, Clark. He's Winklach. Goals. Goals, Mr Goals. They're all players. Yeah. Bails is on there. No, he's on the bench. He's not on the bench, isn't he? Waggy. Waggy's in. He had to play, because Rath got turned off against Riverbill in the cup. Half is in there. Bobby Mims. Paul Wilkinson. Welcome. I think that's it. The lad. He was in there at the end. I just said, oh, Snot as well. Snot is in there. And I just said to the lad, he was like, put Aspen on, like a couple of like Kevin Langley. I was like, no. He was like, huge story. Kevin Langley was good. Yeah, I know. He had a good little spot, man. Yeah. And then I just went, no, cut. There's too many. I said there's too many. But it's good, man. It's good, man. It's good, man. It's done the thing. And he was like, poor power's better than van den Eldo. No. But I can't be asked that argument. You can't use that, do you?  I'm strong at it. Make it real. But I think Neb's like about 85. Sheads free kicks. No, it should be 100. Sheads free kicks are about 93 or something like that. Because I said to him, that's the one thing. I think Lennachon might need to be a little bit faster.  He was just like, watch the goalie scores at Amfield in 86. The fucking, the root, the ground he makes up is incredible. That's the goalie scores against Luton in the FA Cup. Tony Gubba. Just look at his pace. The foot, the Luton game in the FA Cup, but he played the ball, he just leased him for that on the five-bang goal. That was in the greatest seat on it. Beast was in the love of it. Night game. So that was 86. 86. Night game, a good one. How did we get in on it? On in the first game? It wasn't one-one. We get to be two now. 12 minutes left. It was eight in either. Two, two, two. And it's only took it on the shift and just stabbed it into the corner on the plate. So what was it? 86? 86, yeah. Night game. In what? February, March? What was it later? March, like March, yeah. Freezing. So I was seven years of age in the Gladys Street on the bar, probably freezing. Freezing, was it? Watching Evan being boss. Can't, wouldn't you can't by that? Lwpfer Evan four, man, sitting ill on YouTube. You just look at Gary Linnick's hat-trick. Go on the pressure, go on the pressure cells by watching Evan in the 80s.  And this is why you can't be an Evertonian and a Tory. Stop it. You can't. You can't. They kicked us out of your... Oh, bit. Lwpfer didn't even kick us out of your... You're factured it. Did you have it? Let's go. See you later. Goodbye. Love, Tories.


correlation, one variable increases while the other decreases. So in this case, we're talking about age and batting averages. So in this case, the age of a baseball player is going up. And as the age of the baseball player is going up, the batting average goes down. Now note that this correlation is pretty not significant, but it is downward sloping correlation. Also note that we probably would think about this the other way around if I was making a hypothesis, I would probably put the X as the age indicating where we normally put the independent variable, which is causing the batting averages to go down. That would be my hypotheses that I would be putting in my head. But if I reverse these two this way, we would still end up with a negative correlation. So whichever variable we put on either axis, if there's a negative correlation, it'll still be negative. And if it's a positive correlation, it'll still be positive. But by tradition, we'll typically put the independent or what we think is the causal factor on the X. Okay, correlation coefficient. We usually represent it with an R. Here's the formula for it. When we think about the formula, it looks complex. But given some of the sections we have seen in the past, it's not really that difficult. We have two different data sets right now. And in prior sections, we talked about the Z score in prior calculations, that's going to take in one data set, each point minus the mean divided by the standard deviation. That's like the Z score, we do the second for the second data set, we do the same thing, each point minus its mean divided by its standard data deviation for a sample. And then we divide by N, which is the count of data sets that we have. In this case, N minus one with that added factor, we typically have for like sample calculations that we've seen in prior presentations. So what's this mathematical calculation going to do? It's going to give us a range from negative one to plus one. So when we think about this correlation, we saw it pictorially in the prior presentation, we can also represent it mathematically with this calculation giving us a result from negative one to positive one. Now, if it was exactly negative one, which isn't likely to happen most of the time. But if it was in that extreme example, it indicates a perfect negative correlation. So we'll do an example of this just to show the extreme when we do our practice problems and what example would be say the distance traveled versus the distance remaining. So if you're going on a trip that is 100 miles, and you travel 20 miles, then it would go from 100 down to 80, right? And if you went to 40 miles that you traveled, then the distance that's remaining would be 60, right? And if you went 60 miles, the distance remaining would be 40. And so you can see how you have that negative kind of correlation. Now, now in that case, you would again think of the distance traveled normally as the independent variable, but you could flip them, you could think of the distance remaining and say, well, and look at it that way, you would still get a downward sloping line. But obviously, in this case, if we were mapping this out, we would probably think the thing that we are doing is traveling. And that's causing the distance remaining to be dependent upon that. So one indicates a perfect positive correlation. So now we have them going up. In this case, we're comparing feet and inches, any kind of conversion will have a perfect kind of positive correlation. So obviously, if we said, for example, that we had one foot is that one foot would be 12 inches, right? So if we went up one foot, we'd have 12 inches. If we went up two feet, we'd have around 24 inches. So this is just showing a conversion. Now on this one, note that you don't really know whether or not you should put the feet or or the inches on the X or Y is one causing the other one. Not really, it's just a it's just a conversion, right? We're just we're just measuring the lengths using different scales. So this is showing showing a correlation. But it's hard to know if there is a cause and effect relation. No, we're just kind of defining the lengths, you know, differently using different units kind of so and then a zero means no linear correlation. So in this case, we have a bunch of data dots here. But when we draw a trend line between them, it's almost perfectly flat. So a perfectly flat trend line would indicate that there's not a correlation between them. Now remember that most data sets that we have is going to be somewhere in the middle. We're not going to see a perfect positive or perfect negative. We're going to see the dots trending positive or trending negative. And then we can see a trend line between them. And most data points might not be perfectly have a perfect zero. Because even if they were randomly chosen, you might have a little bit you might have a little bit of a correlation even basically from the randomness. So these are the extremes negative one, one and zero that we don't really expect to find in most of the things that we're going to apply this to. But we will do some examples of those extremes so that we can see what the border looks like. So this is something that would be more likely that we would see something like this. This is with heights, heights and weights of individuals. So in this case, if I was thinking about heights and weights of people, for example, measured in inches and pounds, then you would think that the heights I would hypothesize that if someone is taller, that would tend towards a higher weight. That would be my hypothesis, right? I would think if there's a cause and effect kind of relationship, taller people will tend to be heavier on in general. And so if you plot that out and we see this, we see that that does indeed look to be the case. All the dots do not fall exactly on the line, meaning I can't exactly predict what someone weighs by their height. But it is the case that if someone is taller, I would tend to think that they're going to be weighing more than if they're shorter. So but that's not always the case, right? We could have somebody that's like, if this is measured in inches, so 63 inches, 63 divided by 12 would be 5.25 feet. And they could be like 200 pounds or 180 pounds, right? That that could happen because you could have a very heavy, shorter individual, they would be kind of an outlier on the trend line, right? But the general the general line is going to go like this. So it's not going to give us a perfect it's the height of someone's not going to give us a perfect estimate of the weight.  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Hi, I'm Rusty Komori, and this is Beyond the Lines on Think Tech Hawaii. I was the head coach for the Punahou Boys varsity tennis team for 22 years, and we're fortunate to win 22 consecutive state championships. My book Beyond the Lines is about leadership, creating a superior culture of excellence, and finding greatness, which is what this show is all about. My special guest today has a legendary TV career. She is the president and CEO of PBS Hawaii, and her name is Leslie Wilcox, and today we are going Beyond Public Broadcasting. Leslie, so great to see you. That's very kind. Thank you so much. I think you're the queen of TV. Oh, hardly, but thank you, thank you. I grew up, honestly, Leslie, I grew up watching you on TV, and so I know you're the queen of TV. So good to have you. I'm sure you've seen all my mistakes. I didn't see any mistakes whatsoever. But I want to know, I know you grew up in Hawaii. Can you tell me about your youth growing up? Sure. I grew up in Kulio O Valley, and then New Valley, when Kulio O was really the last suburban kind of valley, although we had farms and quonset huts too, but Hawaii Kai wasn't built yet, can you imagine? So that's the last valley before Hawaii Kai, and Mauna Loa Bay hadn't been built up, so it meant that when waves were big, they'd wash over the port highway, small little highway, and start up the fish pond, and we could go fishing on the highway for dinner. No way. Hot mullet. It was an intact fish pond. It was terrific.  Everyone wanted to clean you up and make sure you're okay, but it was just a very family environment, so living in Kulio O. So what schools did you attend? So I started in Holy Nativity in Aina Jaina, but then my family ran out of money. So I was happy to go to Aina Jaina Elementary, New Valley Intermediate, and then Colony High School, lived in that area all my life. What kind of activities or sports did you did you participate in? I ran track, and then I fell in love with surfing, and that neighbor boy made a board that he didn't like and actually gave it to me, and it turns out he gave it to me because it actually kind of leaned right, but still I was thrilled to have it. You walk across the highway, that was our playground, across the highway was the beach and the water, and I did surf, there weren't that many girls surfing at the time, we were kind of novelty items, and I wasn't very good, but I did love it. I love the water, it was always around water. Nice, now. And lots of hiking. It's amazing how, I still go hiking where I used to hike as a kid, I never see anybody anymore.  I love hiking, I want to do hiking more because when I finally hike, I'm thinking, I gotta do this more often. It's so beautiful. So peaceful. Yes. Now what college did you end up going to? So I went to the University of Hawaii, actually got a scholarship to USC, but I did have as many people do, they were family issues. Actually, how I grew up actually helped me as a journalist because what happened was my father was absentee and there was a past little kids in the house and we were, you know, we had to really script and save. So we didn't have hot water for years at a time because of the water bill. And I know I can make a mean meatloaf with very little mean energy. And nobody in the neighborhood knew, the kids, we didn't know what was normal and what wasn't. We just didn't say anything. So when I became a journalist, maybe that's why I became a journalist. I really knew that what things look like wasn't necessarily what they were. And as I look at how many people are struggling to make ends meet here in Hawaii today, I know what it's like to not know if you're going to be able to live in a place.   Well, so your meatloaf had a lot of loaf and less meat. Yes, very, very, lots of bread. So Leslie, I have to ask this. What was the first job that you've ever had? I don't know, as a teenager, we didn't have all these McDonald's and Burger King's and McDonald's was just starting out in Hawaii. I mean, it was really hard for kids to get jobs. So my first job actually turned out to be in Waikiki. I was a hostess and then a waitress at this little snack shop on the grounds of the World Hawaiian Hotel. And that again helped prepare me for journalism because you had to do all kinds of things at once. You had to have a lot of situational awareness and a lot of things on your mind. That's what I did for until I got a job in news. So let's go there now. Let's talk about how your amazing journalism, TV broadcast and career started. How did it all begin? No, very inauspiciously and very fluky at a very young age. What happened is when I was at Kalani High School, there were all these news competitions and I won the writing part of a writing competition. The Honolulu Star Bulletin, which was then the largest newspaper in Hawaii, sent me on my first trip to the mainland to compete in a really prestigious competition for high school juniors, seniors and college freshmen and sophomores. You were there for a week and you had to do everything right. An editorial on deadline, cover a football game on deadline, interview somebody, get an interview and interview somebody and turn it in on deadline. Everything was... Deadlines. Yes, all deadlines. And it was all... I didn't really know how to play football all that well as I had to cover a game. But I was shocked out of my seat when I actually won that. And the Star Bulletin peed my way and I found myself unable to go to college because there were family difficulties. And I applied for a job as a gopher. I said, look, I know I want to do this. I'm not qualified, but can I sweep the floor? What can I do? And the city editor of the time, a very distinguished man named Ed Edwards told me, are you kidding?  And I said, okay, but that's exactly what I'm going to do.  I'm not worth wearing. I shouldn't have even put them on. And four months later, he called me. I was still waitressing. And he said, okay, I got a gopher job for you. You can do errands at the state capitol bureau for the legislative reporters. And that's how I started when I was 18 years old. Wow, that's amazing. And then when I was barely 19, it's a long story, but one of my colleagues called in sick and he said, go check out these committees. And it turns out in this obscure committee, this major news story broke. And I was the only news related person in the world. In the room, such as I was, I cobbled together a story and it ended up being the banner headline. And so when a reporter went out on maternity leave, they said I could slide in for four months and then don't get comfortable because then you're out of here. And then they just never tapped me on the shoulder and told me to go.  I was very grateful. Well, I love, I love hearing your stories and you know, I don't, I don't care if your stories are short or long.  Now, so what, what TV news organizations were you a part of? Okay, so after the Honolulu Star bulletin. I worked for Bob CV, who was running the, you know, the golden station of Hawaii at the time. I was so proud that he hired me because so many people wanted a job and of course I didn't know anything about TV. And, you know, I learned on the job and he has 75% share of the market which is unheard of, and learn a lot from really good people that he hired all these terrific people and I just soaked it in. I worked there for 15 years and it came up. And my goal was never to become an anchor, but I, along the way they threw me in on a weekend and kept me there. So I kind of moved up in that sense, but I always loved reporting more than anything being out and about and I love the deadlines. Wow, so you're at KGMD for 15 years. 15 and then I was hired by Channel two to start the first extended morning newscast in Hawaii. You know, we, at Channel nine, we only had two newscasts six o'clock and 10 o'clock and it was packed with really good information. Very well staffed and that's when you stations were starting to expand the time and actually make more money on commercials. So with the morning newscast you could expand the number of commercials in half hours and we went from an hour to three and a half hours. I was an executive producer and I had just a great team of people just pounding out work every half hour continuously.  Actually, I've done a copy editor, but I've never done video editing. Oh. It was always a union job in those days. I was, you know, executive producer, assistant news director. So I've seen different ends of the business. So in turn, if we go back to Bob Sebe, because I remember growing up and watching Bob Sebe on the news, what, what did you learn from him? And I could never do what he did. And you know, he was a very, he was an amazing guy who could have lived his way through anything. And that's the test of an anchor, right? Things are breaking loose all over, but you don't know that they just have a great demeanor and they make you feel safe. But it was really terrible in television as I watched Bob, because, you know, he came from all this experience and he kind of, in a sense, with all that experience, he kind of talked like I'm all of this and here you go. Not in a, you know, not in a bad way, but that's just the seasoning. And then I realized, and I couldn't do that. I didn't know that much. All I knew was the story I worked on that day. The way I became better at television was I sat at my computer and I wrote, I said in my mind, hey, Auntie, this is what's important that happened today. That was my preface in my head. And then I wrote it in a way that was eye to eye person to person, not, you know, not I'm, here's what, here's what you should know. But here's what, here's what happened. I just want you to know about it. But it felt right to me. Did Bob give you any like unique words of wisdoms when you first started your career? He did. He told me, I knew what I was doing. I could beat the competition on stories, but I needed to, one, get the local inflection out of my voice. And I went, what? What a local inflection. And he said, here's what you do. He says, you don't speak pigeon, but you have a local inflection because when you ask a question, your cadence is this. Da-da-da-da-da. He says, you know, the question goes up at the end, you know that, right? So he told me that. And then I later, I couldn't really, I sounded so sing-songy. I didn't sound natural. So I went to him for advice. I said, what can I do?   He said, you sink or swim. And I was really worried about that. Well, fortunately, you were swimming ever since that moment. After I realized that my job is not to be like, it was mostly men in the industry who'd been trained on the mainland and the great reps. And I just learned you have to be yourself. Yeah. Well, you are so credible. You're so respected in the TV news industry. And now as the president and CEO of PBS Hawaii, which you became president and CEO in 2007, can you share with me about like the wonderful things that you did since becoming president and CEO? Well, you don't do anything alone. It's a small and dynamic team. And we have faced constant changes, media is like that. And more so in the age of the Internet, obviously, I used to type on a manual computer. But but now, you know, we move from analog transmission to digital transmission. It's required a lot of money to change systems. A high definition was the equivalent of a heart transplant on a person. I mean, we did that. So a lot of the things I went there because I was so interested in providing more local programming. But as soon as I got there, there was a recession in 2000. Oh, yeah. And then we lost our lease of the UH Manoa. So even though I worked very hard on expanding with our team, expanding and improving local programming, we really had to keep our business and our nonprofit moving forwards because you don't get anywhere in media when you're behind. Well, you know, some years ago, you won the whole Kelly Award, which is the top award in nonprofit leadership. How did that make you feel to be finally recognized as one of our state's great leaders? You know, awards, I'm very suspicious of awards and thrilled to get one. But I, you know, I know there are tons of other wonderful people.  I think I was, you know, you just have to, you just have to say, that's a, this is a wonderful moment. I always have to prove myself and do a better and better job. Well, the new facility that you guys have at San Island is absolutely beautiful. And I know that you are very instrumental in making all that happen. But can you share more about some of the more recent things that you guys are doing at PBS now? Well, we, we are, we just started something, you know, we're an educational nonprofit. So we do educational media. So we wanted to do a literacy program that was different. And so what we do is we invite people in the community in and they bring their favorite book excerpt or poem or anything that they want to read. And it's different from most literacy programs because normally, you know, read alouds are here, here's a book. You can read this. Yeah. This is they're sharing what they feel is really important to them. And we give it a spin with animation and it's just sharing and people share what's super meaningful to them and we finding them connecting with each other and where you get that book and what part was bad. And it's really been a wonderful interaction doing that. So that's, that's a simple thing we've done recently. We've also done Kako Hawaii's town hall where we got people who are very different and may not even like each other in the same room live to talk about difficult issues and also another forum called what's it going to take based on, you know, these grim statistics that that that research has uncovered and the Hawaii Community Foundation has done a change framework around it, telling us we've got some serious problems and this is the time we need to act. So we're doing a continuing series of programs called what's going to take. Yeah, I love hearing that. And speaking of books Leslie, you know my book beyond the lines, you are someone that definitely go beyond the lines. I want to know what principles stood out in the book for you. I really related to what you did in many ways. You, you were, you were taking outstanding tennis players who were, who were individual standouts and through discipline and teaching them I think humility to somehow I don't really for sure know how you did it because there's a secret sauce. I mean, I love it that their identities became not just, hey, this is me, I'm the best of this. It became, we're a great team. And to do that, you have an outstanding individual has to give opportunities to other people. Yeah, to recognize that somebody else may be better at this than he or she is right now totally you're totally right and making it happen. It's one thing to say that's what you did but I don't know how you did it is very incredible and to do it again and again and again. Boy, that was hard work. I mean, what was the secret sauce. I think it's, you know, my top priority was to develop champion athletes of character first, and then great tennis players second, and every day that's what I wanted to try to do is to make sure that I'm helping them with life's lessons and doing the right thing. There's never a wrong time to do the right thing. And I think that's what you do with PBS in terms of building your team because character is so important. And when I want to visit your PBS studio I mean all of your your team they're so nice they have great character. They do they are the kind of people that if you were in a crazy situation, they would come to they would come and help you and they would do whatever it took and then really resourceful and doing so. Leslie, I love your long story short TV episodes. I mean, can you tell me about how all that started.  It was the idea came from Michael Harris, who is a well known director of local television and he approached me while I was a journalist at HR went to and said hey could you come and do a contract a gig over here posting a show. And it'll be about, you know, people's character and what made them the way they are. And I said oh what kind of resources you're putting into and he goes well we can't give you any video but you know about one on one conversation. And I wasn't into that I like visuals I like the video. And so I said oh no I'm good with my job here. And he approached me a couple times. And then I got hired there as president. And you know what, you still have that puka on Tuesday nights we need to fill so let's do it. And that's how it happened. I gave it the name long story short and decided. I wasn't really into talking to picking people on the basis of how successful they were in conventional terms. What I wanted to know was, how did they get to be the way they are, you know what values, what, what, what formative decisions that you make. What did you do when you made a mistake, how did you, what was your trajectory. Because you find out so much about people and it's not what you think. Yeah. Well, I think that you're the master queen TV interviewer. I am so not. You are. My daughter said to me, Mom, did they actually pay you for that show? And I said, Oh, they don't have them. But she said good. And I said, what? She said, because you say things like, and then what happened. And so she said, you know, you don't want this big law or this impressive question. And I said, yeah, because I don't really like them. You're right. I don't. I want to ask you what makes an interview great. You know, I think it's just, there's an understanding that passes between interviewer and interviewer. And one time I was interviewing this boxer who didn't really want to be interviewed. Somebody kind of said, God, go on. And we were, we were having a duel of the eyes minutes. It's like, you know, because I knew he had more to share, but he didn't want to. And I was giving him and he was giving me that. And you can see it on TV. And then he decided, okay, I think I trust her. I'm going to do it. What the heck. And then it became really, you know, when people want to share and they've had an opportunity to think about their lives, it becomes just amazing. And, you know, I really want to give viewers the idea that they're, they're the ones at the table, not me talking to the. Yeah, got it. As CEO, what do you feel the best leaders do? Well, if appropriate, I think the best leaders lead from the back, you know, they basically work with the team to set a vision, and they set the goals and then, and then the trust professionals to forage and find a way.  Yeah. Now I want to ask you Leslie, why are you successful? Well, I don't know that there's a, I don't know if everyone agrees that I'm successful. I think we all agree. Well, I think, and I say this, I thought about how lucky I am in the sense that all along it's like, I feel like I've surrounded by a village of decent caring people who care about getting things done well. And they've inspired me to be better myself. And they've shown me how far you can go and how failure need not be, you know, you could fail and get might up test yourself off. I mean, I think I've just been very, very fortunate. And I don't know if I could have done what I do in another state that where I wasn't surrounded by people who really care about each other. I know we're, you know, this is a state of great interdependence. We're an island state. And you feel vulnerable, but then you also feel such strength from it. Yeah, I totally get that. Now I want to ask you, every successful person, they deal with certain adversities and challenges along the way. What's one of your biggest challenges or adversities that you have to deal with? Well, maybe because of the field I was in, I was a news anchor much of the time. And, you know, news anchors often are really worried about their popularity because ratings transfer to money and position. And I learned pretty quickly that don't care about what other people think, just do it. You think it's the right thing because chances are those people, you know, forgot what they said right after they said it, or you heard it wrong, or what are you going to do about it anyway. And I've always tried very hard, never to take personal offense. It's really not my business, what other people think of me. And often I find out that I made the wrong conclusion when somebody says something. That takes a lot of the angst out of life.   Is there one interview or one story that kind of stands out among all the other great ones? It's a long involved story has to do with the just an amazing woman I met who had been raped and sodomized and shot in the head by an organized crime guy who got the apartment wrong and just did that to her. But it was a story of how she survived, testified against him, and just, you know, one thing you get to see in a job I have is just incredible personal reserves, people who defy the odds. And they by sheer danger of safe or personal belief or whatever it is that inspires them. You see some amazing people. And she was a seemingly ordinary office worker in Honolulu. Well, and she was just in the wrong room. Yeah, she ended up having to go into witness protection when when he was free putting the contract down on her life and she never back down. I just was so impressed because it wasn't just a brief moment of heroism for her it took years. I mean, I wish I had a shorter example but that makes sense. Wow, that's impactful. Very much so and then but you know you see it all the time where people facing very tough odds. You know, I don't know what prepares them for but they are able to rise above and there are people who don't get headlines. I see that when I covered traffic accidents and shootings and social justice interactions and you see a lot of people who have more than you ever know. And you know that it's so much of their mindset because I find I find that you know when your back is against the wall, you're either going to go one or two ways you're either going to be the victim mindset or you're going to have a victor mindset. Exactly. Exactly.  We all had a, we rated people according to what if things got really bad, who would have your back. That's true. Because sometimes you need that. Oh, we do. Now, besides Bob CV, who are some other people that inspire you. Well, today or anytime. The early women in television here, I mean, you know, they, it was a different time and they're still around. They just learned as they went and they, there was some definite chauvinism involved. And so many and people behind the scenes who are in a position to do something brave. Wow. Well, I mean, and you're inspiring tons of people in this generation as well. I know that. I just try to be decent and, and hold everybody to that around me. Yeah, you, because you go beyond the lines. You have that high standard of excellence and everybody sees that lesson. I want to ask one more question. What gives you fulfillment? Good question. You know, in this world, not everyone has the opportunity to be understood and loved and accepted. And I just feel really fortunate. I have a small circle of friends and family who do get me and they like me anyway.  No, I love hearing that it's all about, I mean, that's, that's the realness. I mean, that's really what keeps us fulfilled. And I often talk with people who they say nobody has ever understood them. Yeah. Leslie, I want to thank you for joining me on the show today.  Thank you. Sharing your insights. I mean, I learned a lot about you right there. I learned a lot about you. You've got another one coming out. So I'll be watching that. Yeah, it's going to come out shortly. So, but thank you, Leslie. Thank you so much. It was a pleasure being here with you and your guests. And thank you for watching Beyond the Lines on Think Tech Hawaii and a special thank you to my clothing sponsor Ilani Incorporated. For more information, please visit RustyKamori.com and my book is available on Amazon and Barnes & Noble. I hope that Leslie and I will inspire you to create your own superior culture of excellence and to find your greatness and help others find theirs. Aloha.


This is a very important episode to me. This is the one that restored my faith in the show back in 2013. At least to say, it still is pretty good. Ooh, that's a hot mug, guys! Hey guys, this is my review for Goodbye Stranger. This is the one where a lot of the plot comes together. We have some wins, we have some losses, and we also have some strife. This is when Castiel and Dean come to a full on head, where the institutional training that Naomi has done to him, making him kill over a thousand other deans, which is a pretty great shot at the beginning of the episode, is then pushed to the limit when it actually comes to a one-on-one with Dean. And it is that moment where Castiel has Dean at his whim in Mercy to kill him. That was when I was like, hey, this show can be good again. This episode is actually directed by Thomas J. Wright, who has like two episodes before this. One being repo man from season seven, Sam and Lucifer in his mind teamed up to take down the guy who wanted to be repossessed by that demon, and then he also did Bitten. One for two. This episode does a lot of things right by establishing a really good mystery at the very beginning with these tunnels and these holes being dug, people winding up dead in the means of an angel burning the body out of them, and then there's also just whatever is going on with Castiel, Meg coming in, being a fantastic addition. I'm too little short for a stormtrooper. Her and Castiel having a really good, reminiscent conversation, and then the editing. The editing is spot on, while maybe the choreography and the cinematography in some of the scenes is not as strong as it could have been, not definitely on swan song level. The cuts back and forth between Castiel in the real world and then up in heaven with Naomi and the transitions of it. It's not just like simple cut back and forth. Castiel is doing motions from one into the other and back again, and he was so well done. And you actually had some fear for the characters. And some of it was well warranted when how the episode comes to an end with Meg getting killed by Crowley. That was a heartbreaking death for that character. It sucked. And she didn't get to say goodbye to her unicorn, her Clarence. That death hurt to watch. And I knew it was coming. I kept waiting for that one to come because Rachel Minor was always so good in this show. You hit a dog and stopped, why? That whole story. And that's your takeaway? No, I heard the rest. You fell in love with the unicorn. It was beautiful, then sad, then sadder. I laughed. I cried. I'm cute in my mouth a little. And honestly, I kind of get it. She was phenomenal. And to see her character go out, fighting a losing battle was still a great end for her character. For a demon that started off in season one and was able to do this turnaround to make you actually like them, that was a pretty good character art. Robbie Thomas wrote the episode and the dialogue is really sharp and really smart. And it keeps you interested both with the conflicts of all the characters and with the mystery and what is actually the angle of it. The characters are finally coming together in terms of acknowledging their faults. Sam is willing to admit what's going on with him. Dean is, I might not be able to carry this burden, but I can carry you. Yes, he absolutely does rip off Lord of the Rings. And I love that they make a reference to that. Listen, I might not be able to carry the burden that comes along with these trials, but I can carry you. You realize you kind of just quoted Lord of the Rings, right? Come on, man. But it's the Rudy Hobbit, right? Rudy Hobbit always gets a pass. And we have a licensed song, everyone. We have a licensed song with Goodbye Stranger. Such a good end to the episode.  I don't know why, but just seemed a little bit... I don't know if it was just how Dean's kind of just like this.   And I felt like it could have been maybe choreographed just a tad bit better. But that's kind of my only complaint. It does not make it a perfect episode to me, but the editing, the writing, and the story overall, and the character interactions and the moments between them, this is what made me like Supernatural again. This whole episode turned me around. And considering we had just had one of the most boring episodes of a whole show in a while, it was very, very good to have something like this again. So while I would love to give this episode a perfect rating, I cannot because it just doesn't reach that level, but I will happily give Goodbye Stranger a 6 out of 7. Oh man guys, this is the best episode of the season so far. Hands down, this is the best one. I won't lie, it's not looking good in the projections in terms of how the episodes are going, so it's good to have a positive one for once. But those are my thoughts about this episode, let's see what you guys have to say. Goodbye Stranger is one of my favorite episodes of the season because seeing Castiel as an antagonist is something I enjoy seeing besides this episode. It's also great for Crowley as a villain, and there are other great moments like Meg's death and Castiel almost killing Dean and them regaining consciousness like his will. Good, great episode. This episode is truly remarkable. The opening scene took me by surprise and I can imagine how Jeremy must have felt realizing that he was watching that episode. Yeah, quite a bit, which brought him back from the brink of quitting the show. Moving on, the brothers engage in their usual investigation only to find themselves in a thrilling confrontation with a few of Crowley's underlings. Just in the nick of time, Cast comes to Sam's rescue, saving him from one of Crowley's henchmen. After interrogating one of the demons, we are surprised to see the return of Meg get returned at the hotel. An interaction between her and Cast is a particular highlight that I thoroughly enjoyed. It is actually, it's probably one of my favorite moments of the episode. It's unfortunate that she meets her demise later in the episode. Nevertheless, the pinnacle of the episode arrives when Castiel falls victim to Nairobi's manipulation, compelled to eliminate Dean. Great scene. There's so much to talk about, goodbye stranger. It's story driven with so many individual character moments. Meg's back. Always a treat to see Rachel on screen. She's both great and with the one-liner quips. Hi, I'm Meg. I'm a demon. I will say she was really good. Like, I liked the lady who did her before. That was a really, you know, very menacing, very kind of deep and dark performance, but Rachel did sass so well. We're seeing with Sam about understanding what he wants is amazing to watch. I love season eight Crowley. He's fantastically evil yet charming. It's easy to see how he became the king of hell. We find out the reason Naomi has been controlling Cast. That opening sequence opens the episode with a bang, and the rest of the episode lives up to that promise of that opening. Cast has a great, some great snark here. Adorable Cast is fun. Snarky Cast is better. Cast and Dean are is epic. Well, I knew Cast wouldn't kill Dean. The way it shot with the quick cuts between the cribbed and the heaven, it didn't put me on the edge. So there are parts of me that maybe thought he would. I'll agree actually. Well, I thought the choreography was kind of, the cutting back and forth was really well done. And then for the clincher, we're family. I need you. We know they have a profound bond. Dean's never said it. For him, family is the ultimate bond. And Cast is part of his family. You know, though it's bleat, it's enough to break the hold Naomi has on Cast. Great stuff. Goodbye strangers. My second favorite episode of the season. The plot you have as you engage beginning to end. And I love to see Crowley as the big bad this season. Cast sales are being controlled by Naomi to me comes as a satisfying close. And just when Megan Cast sales relationship is growing, she is mercilessly and unceremoniously killed off for a while. I was bitter about it and retrospect. It was done because the writers love the actress and didn't want someone else betraying me. Yes, yeah, this was something I was kind of, I was fairly, fairly certain of, but I won't, I'm like, you're confirming it here. The real life actress suffers from mass. And it's awesome. The writers didn't want to replace her. I love how much Meg understood that. Actually, that's why like she came back in the finale, but she's sitting in a chair because that was all she could do. I love how Meg understood Sam for his choice to not look for Dean during his time in Purgatory and settle being with Amelia. Another fun fact is that at Comic-Con adjacent panel, Jensen explains that when Castiel was about to deliver the killing load of Dean, the original line does cast you once I love you and Jensen requested to change it to I need you. His reasoning was he never told anyone else on the show. I love you. It has nothing to do with him hating on the concept of destiny. I don't know. I think they held that care for as long as they could over, but they never wanted to commit to it. Overall, the episode had the right amount of drama and action and led to interesting curiosity what Castiel would do to run away from everything to protect the angel tablet. Goodbye Stranger is the best episode of the season. Wow. The scene between Castiel and Dean was well done. I like when Castiel would go between heaven and punching Dean. Interesting because most people say sacrifice is the best episode of the season. Probably find Naomi more interesting as a villain if there's more things to do with her in this episode, but she has a strange implied relationship with Crowley. Speaking of weird relationships, someone really took that pizza man scene to heart and wanted to run with it. I mean, he was kind of cute in a really odd way. Not that it matters anymore. Also, isn't my crazier is that that random man at the hotel being chased look a lot like Manitron. I couldn't tell you. But yeah, no, I really wanted to know more about Naomi and Crowley's past considering Crowley keeps talking about it. I really enjoyed how this episode managed to focus on the characters that the opening scene was truly shocking to me the first time I watched it. You can tell how deep Castiel was under Naomi's control. I really enjoyed seeing Castiel Dean Sam team up with Meg once more or one last time, and I like the scenes between Meg and Castiel. She's spot on and how crazy things have changed since the apocalypse. Her being good and him being bad. Misha and Rachel really had good chemistry in her conversation with Sam. It was nice seeing him talk to someone about what he's been through the last year. I really didn't miss Rachel on the show, and it was sad to see her go. She really made the character of Meg her own. I wouldn't be surprised that Castiel was able to break from Naomi's control. Thanks to Dean. He's right. Castiel is family. Absolutely. Fantastic episode. The best episode, the best moment in the episode was when Castiel was brainwashed by Naomi to kill Dean. Some fans believe that Castiel family belong with Dean is what broke the brainwashing. However, if you pay close attention, you'll notice that he didn't have the urge to continue beating Dean up after picking the Angel Tava, which is why he disappeared from Naomi. He was in the room. Yeah, it kind of breaks the bowl, right? Like it breaks that bond or that control that she has on him. And then the last one here, this is the episode was great and everything with Dean and Castiel was heartbreaking and wonderful. But a lot of fans overlook the importance of Sam and Meg's talks. Again, a very good point of this episode. This is the first time this season Sam has had someone to talk to about his year away from hunting and was able to vent about things. Dean has had Garth and Charlie, but until now Sam has had really no one to talk to. Don't get me wrong. I hated the whole Amelia relationship and I'm tired of Sam being moody about it. But this does highlight how alone Sam has truly been. For example, one of the many reasons I didn't like the Amelia ship is Sam could never be as honest with her. He had to censor what he said so he could never share his true feelings or experiences. Whereas with Dean, though, he wasn't he was fighting for his family and had Benny who could be he could be honest with. It all just shows how Sam had been lacking in the friends department. I mean, yeah, you could say that Jody, but she's a wall this season. We don't see actually, you're right.  We still don't see Sam and Kevin being besties. Nope. And let's face it at this point in the show. Cast is more of Dean's friend as evidently by the lack of fake Sam corpses at the start. Yeah, I didn't mind the Amelia thing. But yeah, I think that's maybe why he was so into it. You make good point. Sam didn't have anyone to talk to. No Hunter friend. No anyone. He had absolutely no one to talk to about it. Okay guys, that's it for this episode. Now we're moving on to Freaks and Geeks. This is when a hunter has been training Chrissy and other kids to be hunters. Chrissy Chambers. Why do I not remember that name? And I feel like I should. Give me guys thoughts about that episode in the comments below and I'll read this off in the next review. Anyways guys, it was really good to talk about this episode again. It's been ages since I watched it and it was still pretty much as good as I remember it being. So very happy for that. Anyways, hope you liked the review. If you did, leave a like. And if you're interested in more, subscribe. And until then, see you guys next week.