meeting And and quote stand with drew glover sandy brown just in Cummings and me The member of the public raised a concern or at least An inference that Because the request was to stand with four council members that that there was a preordained decision to table the item Um I'm not opining on whether or not that was the case But I do think given that the motion to table was made before public comment in the event that a legal claim were made under the brown act The first step in so doing would be to demand a cure so while This is a business item that's come back before the city council in my view Is also an opportunity to to fix a potential brown act issue By having a do-over So essentially if I am understanding you correctly, you're recommending that we Not have That happen again per The legal considerations or the do-over being we have the item proceed forward and then council can make their motions after public comment It would be appropriate to Should a motion to table be made again and it can To do it after public comment. Okay So that would be um my preference and before I see my colleagues with their hands up I'd like to hear from the public. I respectfully ask that you um Recognize that you'll have your opportunity to speak after the public has able to weigh in And I will acknowledge council member brown and then council member crone immediately after But I don't want to acknowledge that right now We were unable to hear from the public at the last meeting and that did not settle well I'd like to invite up our commission for the prevention of violence against women to come forward to Share their perspective before as our commission Before we open it up to public comment at which time I'd like to bring it back for Acknowledgement of council members. So this time i'm not prepared to do any I'm making a motion to appeal the the ruling from the chair because um He just the city attorney just spoke about me and I'd like to respond Is it okay I'll second that Okay All those in favor of the appeal, please say aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed Okay, go ahead and respond if that's the the discussion My motion originally was going to be to go right to the public tonight and listen to them and and and hear from them There's nothing that I know about the brown act and in fact city attorney just said it but I there's communications all the time going out and I'm happy to communicate with the public and I do would make a motion that we go right to the public to uh to hear them second that too Okay, before we do we'll go ahead and invite up the the commission who's going to speak briefly as our commission I think under five minutes and then we'll open it up to public comment. So go right ahead Oh Okay, we'll go ahead. Okay. Are you saying that you'd like to not include the responses of our commission? I'd like to go right to the to the line to the public. I mean, that's You know, but and and not hear from our commission. Of course. I want to hear from them Okay, so the commission will hear every member from the public. I want to hear from okay So the commission will have you here first because your your letter was impetus to having this item beforehand and then we'll go ahead and open it up to public comment Is that your motion? So to have the commission speak first that wasn't mine. That wasn't necessarily my motion. I said You're saying we didn't hear from the public last time. We we did hear from from the commission I believe But we didn't hear from the from the public and that's my motion was to go right to the public That the that the city council doesn't weigh in right now what we hear from the public first Okay Matthews There's a motion on the floor my understanding would be if we Voted for the motion to go to the public the cpva w could come as Representing an organization which we commonly do and so they could go first That's fine. That's fine. I you know, I just wanted to recognize the fact that you heard the item beforehand Okay, all those in favor. Please say I Okay That passes unanimously. You'll go forward. You'll have up to four minutes We took the vote. We'll go ahead and ask that you um Go ahead and we'll we appreciate your respect as we have our commission speaking now Go ahead. Good afternoon. Mayor Watkins Vice mayor Cummings and council members My name is lila kramer the vice chair for the commission for the prevention of violent skins women And we're here again to affirm our commitment to the women complainants who came forward with regard to the pattern of abusive And disrespectful conduct of council members crone and lover We are here to reiterate that we came to say what we came to say to you on september 24th As a commission we start by believing those who have the courage to come forward and share their stories of harassment and abuse That night vice mayor Cummings council members brown crone and lever moved to table the censure item This decision prevented the public from speaking directly to the issue and ended the possibility for the council to use the only Tool it has to publicly acknowledge this pattern of abusive and disrespectful workplace behavior And to make a formal statement of disapproval The commission strongly believes that accountability is required on behalf of council members crone and lever Council member crone attended our september 25th commission meeting And when asked why he didn't attempt to stop the public victim blaming and shaming that went on at the previous council meeting He said I didn't realize it was going on Acknowledgment that there is a problem and that these two council members are at the root of the problem Not the women complainants is a necessary first step on the path toward reconciliation And working towards improving relationships amongst council members and staff You had an opportunity on the 24th to denounce this pattern of behavior and to let current and future city staff And council members know that we all deserve to work in a safe and respectful environment Tonight we ask you to do the right thing and not Compartmentalize your sense of equity and justice because it may be politically dangerous to do so This censure is not about a recall. It's not about just cause evictions and measure m It's not about the homelessness and affordable housing in our community This censure is about believing people who have the courage to speak up when they are afraid to do so Because the stakes are high. It's about supporting those people through an already difficult situation And it's about speaking truth to power. Thank you Thank you Okay, we'll go ahead and open it up to public comment Those who are interested in speaking to us on this item can please line up to my left Before we have you go forward We'll go ahead and see if there's anybody who wants to just briefly address the council in one minute Is there any any community member who wants to briefly address the council in one minute? If you're interested in doing so, I'd like to ask you to please come forward first We'll go ahead and start with the one minute input and then we'll hear from those who want the two minutes in the interest of time So go right ahead Thank you members of the council. The very next day following this council meeting I had the opportunity to hear Again and then reflect on what happened the previous night and then I asked Why didn't this go to the union? And I was told that the union would not hear it And I'm wondering why it didn't hear it because a lot of this could have been dealt with we wouldn't have had The stalling On hearing this Thank you Thank you Other members who want to speak for the one minute time frame, please come forward Hello, my name is Shalom dream piece compost I'm here in support of of Christopher and drew, but I also want to say that duck that mayor Watkins Didn't want to recognize uh councilmember brown at the last time we discussed this in the interest of getting public input Yom Kippur starts very quickly Deadline for people to finish their last meal before 25 hour fast Is 653 or 623 Keep a below minute. I just I'd ask you mayor Watkins if you think that it's fair that you Shut down try to shut down you unsuccessfully tried to shut down sandy brown at the previous discussion In the interest of hearing the public and I think we should be in the civic auditorium and have Time for everybody to talk. There's also no rush with the censure Someone's going to time me at one minute. There's no rush Thank you. I just have some questions And so mainly why was the press release about the commission the commission for the prevention of violence Why was that released on next door before the commissioners had all the commissioners had a chance to review it? That seems odd that we're too making a private platform our Official channel of communication for the city Also, I was present at the last meeting and a lot of angry words very angry words were exchanged about what people say on facebook And I just want to say you may see who you see as supporters are drew Saying unkind things on facebook.  I've never seen a disassociation of that from from her So yes, we do associate your supporters with what they say to people on facebook And they can be very very abusive And also your anonymous blogs Okay next speaker for one minute Hello, I just want to say that conflict is not abuse I have witnessed you guys basically taken to bullying chris and drew now for weeks For very minor things you guys have wasted money 18 thousand dollars And for things that I have never ever seen chris or drew behave the way that I witnessed donna mayer's behave at the last city council She was screaming she slammed her hand down and we're here discussing a censure of two people that have done way Less than that. Um, I think that this is ridiculous I think that you guys should follow the rose report It said not to publicly do this to one another and to deal with this in mediation And I think you really should be ashamed of yourselves for putting this back on the agenda Jackie griffith one minute. Okay, um I support drew and chris I I support the the Commission for violence against women But I think that they've been pushed into This is trivializing it and as she just mentioned they're not everyone even got to speak to it I've served on city and county boards. I want you to know that that is really outrageous if not everyone was even consulted We have in this town NVC nonviolent communication I just feel that this should have been there were way better ways to handle this and if you were in Taking over my meeting time. I don't think I would have probably been any nicer Then then drew was at that point because it's taking up his people that are waiting to meet and his needs as well The this whole thing it just Okay, new time is up next I'm norah hawkman. I'm the former executive director of women's crisis support and shelter services now Defensa de mujeres When I was 17 or 18, I co-founded a rape crisis center, which is now The second largest in the country in santa barbara california. So I am speaking with those hats on This is very painful when we start comparing the hurts of women To the hurts of african-americans There is nowhere to go but bad And that is under the mayor's leadership happening here So let me just say this since only have one minute Everybody got punked on this Except councilmember meyers and the person doing the punking is your city manager You got to think about that. He punked you on homeless services. He's punking you on development deals And he's punking you on disliking each other My name is jane becker. I wanted to address The issues surrounding councilmember donna meyers who I feel has been unduly shot Spoken rudely about defamed On on facebook and other locations I happen to believe that you have accomplished a great deal with your life And that I as the grandmother of two young Granddaughters I would want them to look up to you as a role model because I think you are a role model And all this other stuff is shooting the messenger. Thank you Good afternoon. I'm jeff riss medberg I believe the women And I think the city institution did believe the women Took into consideration their concerns their allegations spent six months and dollars Seriously considering What they claimed found that the claims were unsubstantiated this All but some very minor things the this whole censure Procedure is a big waste of time. Why don't we move on to the mediation And conflict resolution it would be wonderful if our council members could work together for the benefit of the city residents Thank you I just wanted to start off by saying that you can still be a lesbian and be racist And um, so I feel really nervous to be up here right now as a as a woman of color I'm terrified of like the kind of rhetoric that donna meyers said. Oh my gosh. I don't even know about the crowd behind me I'm terrified This isn't about believing women a recall petitioner assaulted me when I tried to read the petition Recallers have been harassing me online since that incident in july This is not about protecting all women or believing all women And honestly may or you should be ashamed of yourself for bringing this back You want the public comment before a vote on tabling the censure? This isn't tabling the censure I guess I got it in a minute Hi, I'm brett garrett and I'm Feeling a lot of pain both because I believe women have been hurt and I believe progressive council members have been hurt My great hope is that the reconciliation process will improve the situation that people can all hear one another I don't think it's helpful to kick off reconciliation with punishment I strongly encourage to participate to practice compassionate communication and listen to one another A lot more before considering any punitive measures Um, this agenda item no matter how it's decided. I think it just fans the flames of the recall effort It exacerbates the divisions in our community Um, I believe tabling the motion was the right thing to do last time Because it allowed a very constructive process on reconciliation And I think tabling it could be good again tonight I just don't think it's the right time to be even considering the censure motion toward anybody. Thank you Hi, my name is alex king. Uh, I want to echo my uh, my fellow constituents Message that what happened to mediation and conflict resolution? Why why are we bringing this up again? I think this whole issue started back in january when the mayor declined to put drew and chris on their requested committees and she's exhibited a abuse of power pattern ever since since that time I just witnessed the last meeting when she tried to refuse to recognize sandy brown's appeal of Not being able to table the resolution So I'd just like to say Please work on uh city business Stop trying to tear tear the city apart and do your jobs I'm here to speak on behalf of women women public servants in the city who their public service does not mean that they get to be abused by community members They are public servants. They are not servants to be abused.   Okay. Okay. Let's keep the language appropriate. This is the reality Okay, okay. This is the reality of what the public has to deal with. We'll go ahead and start the time again with that. Okay This is what the public has to deal with the people that serve you The commissioners the people in this community who do the work the nurses The firemen the law enforcement the city staffers who actually do the work start showing some respect Okay, next speaker And I'll remind those who are here to To adhere to the to the rules of decor, please you'll have one minute Daryl Darling Probably the least known Of my claims to fame is that I was the merchant of venice in the senior class play in Rock Island, Illinois The soliloquy that of Portia Has been burned in my brain and has been a guide for me throughout all of my life Even before Senior class play, but that one is particularly poignant Portia leads off the quality of mercy Is not strained We have been fighting over our piece of flesh From the time that the election was decided the day after Actually the day at the night of Okay, let's not do it anymore. We all suffer Okay, thank you So is there any other member of the community who wants to address the council in one minute? If you're interested in addressing the council and women we have one more coming forward. Okay Hi, Laura Lee Martin I first want to say that council members Cummings Brown and Glover. I've written you emails I'd love to chance to meet with you. I've sent twice to you and one of the each of you I totally get that you don't see the bullying that others see and i'm talking to you mr Crone and mr. Glover Even though my husband was arrested for domestic violence Everyone thinks he's a really good guy So I totally get that The claims were from credible women And they were brave enough to step up I would suggest that the two of you learn from this Don't dismiss it Acknowledge we have a problem and work to heal In fact, I'd love to see you vote for the censure It is just a statement that we're going to change how business is You could heal and council member Cummings. I ask you to step up and help with that. Thank you I'm going to go ahead and open the item now for two minutes If you're anybody else that's interested in the one-minute time frame Did you have one you want to do the one minute? Please come forward You'll be our last for the one minute. We'll then go ahead and open it up for two minutes You have one minute to search. Okay. Thank you. My name is Catherine Herndon I've been a feminist since the golden years of women's liberation movement I believe that this has been a misuse of feminism I hope if you haven't already read Jillian Green Sight's Statement on Bruce Bratton's Website that you will Because when I read it just last night It absolutely captured brilliantly and exactly how I Think and feel about this This is not the first time that I've experienced A misuse of feminism To co-opt something for another purpose I moved here about 20 years ago after having visited for 10 years before that and wanting to live here I was a school nurse in Los Angeles and I took early retirement. Your time is that okay? So you'll have one minute also. Is that right? You're wanting the one minute We're on the one minute time frame. Yeah, I asked for four minutes And I got an email that said you weren't giving anyone for but you just gave somebody four go ahead and pause the time They were part of the original presentation as the impetus for the item coming forward So they were not in part of the communications as our commission They were going to bring forward their position as to why I understand that as they were as you said that they're public I got over root rule to do it So I'm not doing group presentations And I hope you can understand as to respect of the others who want to speak here tonight as to why And so you'll have up to one minute or we can transition to two minutes if you like at this time I'll take two. Okay. We'll go ahead and transfer to two minutes unless you want to go right after mr McHenry since he was waiting in line Okay, you'll have two minutes Okay, um There's been a lot of talk about wanting to hear the community and I really respect that and just on How things go they shouldn't Yeah, I can speak into the mic But it's it confuses me that um It was you who cut everything to two minutes when you started your tenure And you often leave the room to get water and to get a drink during oral communications But on this it's something that you really want everybody to speak about which is fair I think people should be allowed to speak about everything um the official investigation and report didn't have any substantiated findings and Coming forth and there's frustration about that and people wanted something Wanted it to say something that it was substantiated or not But instead of having some specific thing that was wrong with the report or we're wrong with the investigation that There's this claim of Last time the claim was nothing was false And we all said false isn't an option in these kind of investigations. And so now the resolution says nothing is unfounded Once again, I'll push back and say that's not an option in these kind of things Unsubstantiated substantiated withdrawn are the only three things that that investigator was looking at So I think it's fine for you guys to talk about How you don't get along and I think there's four of you that are pretty negative towards each other and you guys Do have to learn to get along but on the specifics specifics of those frustrated guys mouth and off a little bit Well, there's been a whole lot of stuff in six months nine months. It's gone into them being frustrated One apologized one could apologize a little more But there's some more apologies that could come out of this room Like I have to apologize when I mouth off at people too. It's just something we all have to do So for me the censure thing that on the resolution of unfounded. Well, that's that's just not true Next speaker I think a number of you were at the federal court case with the temporary restraining order to block the Eviction of the people at ross camp without creating a safe alternative And those of you that were there heard a number of women testify that before ross camp they had been either raped Or in one case raped and killed According to one of the testimonies Her friend was raped and killed Before she went to ross camp and I know from personal experience that every weekend I run into women who want to know where the women's shelter is because they have been sexually assaulted Or afraid of being raped and those numbers of women are growing That many of them lose their vehicles to being towed and are now like having to go into doorways So as you probably have already heard we have to set up Men who we trust with women to sleep in specific doorways on front street So I I was wondering where the women's Uh group was at ross camp to defend the women who are now this we speak Tonight going to have to face The possibility of being raped because none of druze and chris's Questions would be agendized And so more, you know martin you have a direct Implication of the violence against these women as does martin brunau of course, and tony So I think we're speaking out of you know It's sad if anybody disrespects anybody man or woman, but the disrespect that that the Mayor has shown in this chambers is outrageous There's also supposed to be a law about how you bring up censure in a in a public Hearing there's supposed to be attorneys on both sides There's supposed to be a conversation about it and that is not happening here time is up next Coming from abuse for the last 24 years it was psychological emotional and financial and there was definitely physical abuse I've studied and I know what i'm talking about Cynthia matthews you said so long ago that you wanted to end divisive politics Please start being sincere and stop the divisive politics We elected a majority of people who are liberal to progressive fairly over the last several years And all of this is an end run around all of that There is a difference between conflict and abuse many hundreds of experts assert The thousands of studies have been done and the women that claim last week to have been abused are confused They are white privileged women. They earn enormous amounts of money per hour To plot and to divide this city. They are paid to divide So the seppo the seppo study which was a stakeholder study that involved our entire community That man came up and he said he felt sorry. Do you remember that martin wackens? How sorry it was and you said that we had to be somber Well, I am somber right now and to say this is an outrage It is an end run around the two studies that were ordered at large expense to our city Mr. Seppo said that there were trump-like national issues happening right here And they are being waged by donna miers martin wackens and Cynthia matthews They are extremely cynical So I want to talk about a trump-like thing that I heard happening I have not substantiated this claim It is right now a rumor that a certain council member has a vacation property in Mexico City That she built a wall from her property to the beach, but we don't know why Maybe it was so her dogs wouldn't go into the property next door Maybe it was so that she didn't have to look at the hovels if there are hovels On the other side of the wall, but this same person is claiming That she wants to not be seen as a racist But at the same time she's using her white privilege and her status and her enormous wealth The mexicans are asking your time is up elisa donna trump. Okay. What is donna trump doing with her wall? Thank you next speaker Next speaker ask you to be to keep your voice down We're going to go ahead and try to get to as many people today during public comment. Go ahead You'll have two minutes. Good afternoon I think I share something with everybody here This is not very fun Not for me. I don't think for anybody here and I just want to say this is this is a me too town It really is I mean, we have a super majority of people who support the me too movement. I don't blame victims I don't I support the ladies who have complaints But who should have fixed this before it turned into a civil war? Who should have done that? I just browsed through the budget person at the top at 259,092.94 Dollars a year is the city manager Who could have said okay children? We're going to do this differently from now on Easily easily could have said okay between any two meetings in a conference room We'll have five minutes of dead time for it to transition so that this doesn't happen again I Can't stop christopher from coughing. I'm sorry Um, I don't even think the city manager should do that. That's all he did. It was cough. I listened to the tape several times That was the two substantiated charges. The others are not substantiated So why are we here in this misery? If anybody should and could Smooth these things out before they happen It's the city manager who could take people aside and say okay. There's how we're going to fix this I hear your complaints. I hear your concerns as many times as it takes so that people are satisfied that they were heard everybody I'm annoyed at our city for having a civil war. It's wrong. It's hurting everybody who lives here And who's doing it People who are misguided. Good afternoon. I'm here Unusually as both phil postener and rabbi postener As reported As reported today's meeting is to end early for those city employees. I gather Who observe yom kippur the day of atonement? When we are asked to consider our actions And if we have hurt someone we are expected to ask god for forgiveness No accusations Just ask forgiveness But not before According to jewish tradition. We go first to the person or persons. We've hurt In that context of vote to censure councilman crone and clover seem particularly egregious Especially since as reported in the sentinel last wednesday. This council is spending $11,000 quote for professional mediation and conflict resolution training closed quote Now some of you this past year have suffered Hurt feelings regarding abuse as have many of us fellow human beings However, especially when councilman crone has written a letter that was described in the sentinel as quote a beautifully a beautiful example of self responsibility and reconciliation I want to suggest that on the eve of yom kippur and hopefully the rest of year that Forgiveness and magnanimity will accomplish far more than censure and reprisal for old hurts And may everyone in our community likewise be ready to forgive and reconcile differences Each observing atonement in our own meaningful beautiful way. Thank you Before we get started, I'd like to get a sense of how many more members of the community want to address the council on this item Okay, in the interest of trying to get to everybody I want to hopefully have Public comment concluded by 10 to 6 because we have to reserve time at the end for oral communications So we're going to go ahead and go to 90 seconds To hopefully be able to hear from all folks. Go ahead. I hope I hope I can still have two minutes because that's what I planned on I'm in the interest of having so that others I hope that you could understand as well as those that were waiting for the two minutes that we want to hear from everybody So we're going to go ahead and move it to 90 seconds Okay, well I see that everyone here has been hurt. I think the community has been hurt as well And I would like to ask everyone ask donna martin All the women who have spoken susie Is censure really what you want? Is that really what your deepest need is or perhaps your deepest need is to be heard To be completely heard to be completely understood Because that's what my sense is that people want that's what we all want And I don't think there's been a process for that to happen If that process had been in place as was just said I think all of this could have been dealt with and I wish my wish is that that would be what happens from now on When marshal Rosenberg worked with those warring tribes in Nigeria The reason it worked was because he made space for that to happen For everyone to be deeply heard for their needs to be heard and understood by both sides I mean it was quite amazing to listen to him describe how that worked And quite beautiful and it took a while But you know we have time And I heard you all vote in favor of mediation a couple of weeks ago And so I my my wish is also to see that go forward like really soon not to wait do it now And and maybe reconsider the censure as you know Just look in your heart and see if that's really what you want Or is that going to get you what you want or is that going to lead to more resentment on everyone's part? Because I I do care what I I really care what you need and I really want to know I'd like to understand what everybody needs And that that includes Drew and chris too all of us. We're no different. We're all people. We all have feelings. We get upset. We have conflicts I think if we see each other is different It's a problem. Thank you It was a council demonstrated at your last meeting that you can all work together You rightly chose a path of mediation conflict resolution and the reform of personnel grievance processes Tonight. I want you to reject censure as antithetical to that path People in santa cruz are bearing witness to a deeply painful episode that has enveloped our government The public has suffered too both in the degrading of our public life and the deflection of attention From the serious issues that face our city This is a sad chapter being written in santa cruz history one etched in escalation of conflict And the amplification of chaos and how will it end? That's the question you face I ask you to act together to bring an end to the public trauma of this collective Fugue this dissociative pathological departure in which you all have wandered away from the ethos of public life You are caught up in a disorder that is collective Your fugue has taken you far away from thoughtfully engaging consideration of conflicting legitimate political interests The public business of the city council should be the business of the city Personnel and behavioral issues certainly have to be addressed But informs very very different than public city council meetings Centuries antithetical to the spirit of reconciliation that must be the foundation of mediation and conflict resolution. Thank you Okay When I came home from Germany, I stopped by friends house. They had two kids another adult coming over with an impossible child And uh, they wanted a babysitter and I said hell no, I'll take care of them Don't worry about it. So they all left for the afternoon and I took the kids Three to seven got them all together and I said You guys go out and play and have a good time And if anybody comes to me with a complaint You will all receive the same punishment Interestingly, I had a very easy time babysitting and the parents didn't believe me So in that spirit and in the spirit of atonement I make a motion from the floor from the people That this censure motion be for all seven of you And the eighth member The city manager and I would invite you to allow the city manager to vote And in the spirit of atonement You should all raise your hand and say I agree to this censor and let's move on Every one of you well, not everyone but Right here and right here and right here You are as guilty or more guilty of any of these trumped up and I mean trump in the capital t trump Trumped up charges that you have leveled against these two fine gentlemen I'm going to stand before you some of you know me. I haven't given up The two years young Richard if you wouldn't mind moving a little bit to the over here see Alzheimer's Number one. I'm here because of friendship A 10 year old kid was asked what a friend is a friend of someone who knows you and still likes you Two people who sit there are very very close to over the years At least listening I've been told I talk a lot My purpose is the same as our mayor youth voice and student empowerment. It's an international human right I'm also a graduate of landmark. I'll never forget this That's a magic wand to all of you Takes the right wing and the left wing For a bird to fly I'm looking at city manager and the people here What could be some concrete next steps beyond whatever the action is going to be I cannot tell you that as we we try to empower student government locally and beyond That if you as our leaders of this city council the greatest city in the state of california progressive But also with that right and left wing if we can't make a better Santa Cruz It's going to happen with the people back here and people like me. Thank you for blah blah blah Hello, I'm an simon and I'm on the commission for the prevention of violence against women and I didn't realize I was jumping into such a horrific Hornet's nest when I became a member of the commission I'm feeling extremely torn by the situation because I didn't come to the 24th of Meeting that was held and I didn't see what had happened there And I can see this community is falling apart and that makes me really sad And so I want to start by believing because I I think that that's the the what they're saying And I have never stated that I didn't believe any of these accusations going forward But what I've noticed is that the commission for the provisional violence against women their bylaws Actually state that we're supposed to be dealing with rape domestic violence and sexual harassment I called the hr department. I said please tell me where there indicate was there substantiated anything was any of these Coming anywhere close to sexual harassment rape or battery And no that was not the case and so then I had a question I thought well g what am I supposed to do and I I voted To censure because I they were using terms like victim blaming and they were using very inflammatory Language which again are is language you use about rape victims and about violence And that is something that is really important to to distinguish between As a survivor of multiple rapes in my life. It's something. I think that you know, I really want to focus on anyway Okay Before you get started I want to remind those that when the person who's speaking they can speak to us Hopefully without interruption if I see you interrupting I'll go ahead and give you a warning I want to be able to get to everybody. So I hope that we can do that So please let the person speak whether you agree with them or not go right ahead. You'll have 90 seconds My name is carol fuller. I'm I'm president of the democratic women's club and we wrote a letter to Um you mayor marwatkins asking you to put this back on the agenda, which you did. Thank you very much I'm speaking as an individual right now, but I'm relieved to see that nobody's trying to say that the women didn't experience the experiences that they say they had So in this and that's that's very encouraging and I agree with the woman who said people want to be heard And I think that what I would like to see tonight is I would like to see councilmember crone and glover apologize I think in the spirit of atonement as rabbi posner said That's that's what it means. You may not know how you offend but clearly you do And I think that it's time for you to acknowledge that and that would go a long way towards probably mending a few fences around here Because it's pretty discouraging to see what's happening to the council I feel like you're not getting the councils the city's business done because of all of this. It's a big time sink I noted that in addition to the people that made the official complaint Reading over some things the last week that councilmember Cynthia chase said that the reason she didn't one of the reasons she didn't run for second term Was because it was very difficult dealing with councilmember crone And his antics and that she commented on his habit of talking over her So going forward, I hope you'll apologize. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. All right next speaker Hello, my name is Maggie Duncan Merrill. I'm a lifetime resident of Santa Cruz and I stand here today Appalled by the actions taken two weeks ago in this chamber the act of silencing our community and disenfranchising your fellow council members And city staff who are booed shouted at disparaged loudly in front of their children Spouses co-workers and friends was so overwhelming to take in I had to leave the room and discussed and hang my head in sorrow at what has become of our local governance So-called progressives claim to be feminists But they claim to believe these women felt abused, but they normally would stand with women But they think these points may be valid But the victims were even offered old-fashioned advice to simply talk to their abusers And let them know the hostile environment they're forced to work in was somehow their fault if only they had handled it better I watched council member brown stomp behind her fellow council member mires complaining loudly to the city attorney Refusing to give her counterpart the decency of simply hearing her out. Had she not caused such a stir Perhaps some in the audience would have heard Donna say she did speak with Drew multiple times before the final straw When she filed her complaint Donna was then lectured by some women claiming to be feminist Who said if she had just taken a moment to talk nicely to the man yelling at her in front of her colleagues This whole mess could have been avoided. I'm guessing while sandy sandy was attempting to shut Donna up She must have missed that vital point the reason given for the tabling of the censure by council member Cummings Was that he was ready to move on the man poised to be our neighbor our mayor next time Next year decidedly shut down the discourse of the women looking for recourse in a clearly hostile environment because he was over it This is what we can expect from just in next year. Rock your roads are ahead My name is drew lewis it appears to me that the real reason that The three members on the council and their supporters are not interested in reconciliation and mediation on this issue is because the real The real goal of all this is to create as much negative pr as they can For council members Glover and crone and support the recall petition I think that the developers and big money interests are very upset that they're too count that these two council members Listen to their constituents in the city and neighborhoods and voted against the corridor scam plan And the drive to turn Santa Cruz into san jose by the sea This agenda is doomed to fail because the hypocrisy and double standards are very apparent for all to see I know that if I was in city council member Glover's place when council member Myers Acted out shouting and pounding her fist on the counter next to him. I would have felt very intimidated indeed I do think that mediation nonviolent communication and arbitration Are good for this issue, but first we need to Acknowledge the elephant in the living room, which is the blame shame and preposterous allegations smoke screen by the developers agents And their agenda to recall council members drew Glover and chris crone City manager martin Bernal without preps meaning to do so has become a powerful and dictating institution and influence He and his staff heads every wednesday Before city council meeting they meet behind closed doors with the mayor to preset the agenda Over the years they have prioritized the seaside company the downtown association Santa Cruz neighbors the police department real estate and developer interests and expanding their own bureaucracy Retters students workers the disabled the elderly and the homeless have taken last place for the homeless Bernal staff has solicited state and federal monies and used them to support limited and preferential services for a favored few reactionary council members regularly shift blame to state and county authorities for the flood of people sleeping in doorways council members Watkins and matthews Prefer to discuss plan and concoct endless timetables goals and procedures rather than take substantive actions When a newly elected progressive majority moves to act on long delayed promises they grow alarmed For homeless people locally the key issues are shelter services and equal treatment under the law City councils under Watkins and matthews and those before them have delayed ignored and masked the city's failure to address these issues Through assistant city manager susie o'hara Will be speaking soon They've created a false narrative claiming the city is prudently and adequately addressing the snowballing situation So when crone and glover come along with a potential new majority seeking to stop a library dismemberment Address the forbidden third rail of justification protection and rate control and seek to democratize Your time from your other they cut off time For the speakers your time is up. Okay Before you get started, um, I will go ahead and and if there's nobody else interested in speaking who's not lined up We'll go ahead and end after susie and we'll keep the 90 seconds You have one more We have more people Okay, so i'm going to go ahead and reduce the time then to one minute in the interest of being able to hear from everybody And that's because we have a we have an we have a time certain to be Ending if you want to share your time you're sharing it with others who want to speak so you'll have one minute to speak at this point Hi, i'm nancy cruzo go ahead and go ahead um Well, I would like to point out that whatever you are feeling the other side is feeling it as well all of it Just as deeply just as painfully And you have to be able to understand and acknowledge that that comes so far before Centering and apologies and all of this accountability. You need to understand feelings go both ways Matt ibe journalist has a new book out today called hate ink We We are at risk in santa cruz If you've seen public media, there's hate talk We need to pay attention to that and we need to move on and do work the work of the city Mayor city council members. My name is jillian greenside I was one of the founders of the commission for the prevention of violence against women I was its first chair in 1982 and chair again in 2004 and 2005 The charge of the commission is rape Sexual harassment and domestic violence And well, I have no doubt that the complaints that the women brought forward were serious in their eyes And thoroughly investigated they had nothing to do with the commission And it's very sad for me to see the commission come forward and that it's and and In this manner and that the only article op ed in the paper that i've seen from the commission on october Which is domestic violence months is basically an attack on council member crow I would say the complaints were well investigated the rose report is out to move forward Without a censure and to follow those recommendations would be in everyone's interest. Thank you Thanks I'm sali Gwen satterley And I don't even know where to begin. I helped campaign for drew glover and his name is drew glover Correct drew Okay, I just I everyone keeps mispronouncing it anyway and chris krone. I I adore both of them I campaigned for each of them. We were tired. We were campaigning We were doing things, you know over and over they were never rude or disrespectful I understand there are women who have complained about them. I feel bad for them. I am a retired registered nurse That is my job Is to help people and I feel terrible that these women felt bad. Please all of you Care for each other Do what was recommended, which was Conflict Resolution, please work together on this get past this and end this Please for the good of the city. Thank you Speaking on behalf of myself I will say that I'm offended that public time and money is being used to further the recall efforts I'm mostly here though just to read a statement from my friend micha posner who was unable to be here tonight because of Family family business. He says As you know, I was the last person censured by the city council I voted for my own censure and I think that gives me a certain perspective Hoping you will listen to it Before I came to an opinion about this issue. I carefully read the report on potential violations on the part of crone and glover I tried to be open to the idea that people I know could have a pattern of misogyny or other clear violations of ethical behavior After all, I'm a good person and I made a mistake worthy of censure I am inclined in clients to think that the report was at the least objective After all the report was supervised by senior staff who have no great love for the two of them The report found a couple of instances in which glover and crone did not act perfectly as council members Even if other instances occurred at the same level of Others can speak. Thank you. One minute is really not enough Like this letter Even if other instances occurred at the same The report found a couple of instances Which they did not act perfectly as council members Even if other instances occurred at the same level of offensiveness these behaviors while regrettable are common among council members Council member matthews for example has been known to make somewhat patronizing remarks during council meetings Council member robinson was repeatedly rude to me in the hall and conference rooms Etc. Her behavior was passively supported by council member bryant The idea that I would try to censure them or other council members for slightly rude behavior would never have occurred to me Everyone should do the best they can to be respectful. It doesn't always happen Mayor wadkins has also called out in the report for publicly accusing another council member of a serious offense prior to talking to him privately I did not think mayor wadkins should be censured, but I think she should try to emphasize Empathize with others in perfect behavior What is more noteworthy about this report as it does not substantiate serious allegations of misogyny directed at the two council members publicly by mayor wadkins It is unreasonable You're taking your time from your fellow residents here at this point. I'm going to go ahead and ask that you stop Your time is up. Please stop. Okay, I'll go ahead and ask. Perhaps some of you are actually going to leave the Cronin Library more guilty I came here an hour and a half ago, and I got in line when you said we had two minutes Your time is up and respect for the council policy to honor yom kippur Please steve if you wouldn't mind I would ask that you please go ahead We'll go ahead and ask that you exit at this time Okay So you're going to go ahead and resume public comment I'm going to go ahead and say we're going to need to have this finished up with about Five minutes before 6 p.m. So if we aren't able to get to everybody that is Not the intention if we have extra time at oral communications, which we have to have before 6 30 p.m Then we'll go ahead and allow for you to speak to us at that time But i'm trying to honor our council policy to honor yom kippur and we have to have it completed So we'll go ahead and hit as soon as we hit 555 we're going to go ahead and wrap up public comment. Go ahead. You'll have one minute It was my understanding that time was dropped. Wait a minute. This is not on my time The clock said one minute. I thought I had a minute and a half. No, we were into one minute So others can speak. It's been dropped to one minute. Yes at the time down. I didn't know that. Okay In my opinion and that of many in positions of responsibility It is the responsibility of the city manager To intervene when there are difficult interactions among staff or between staff and public officials whom he oversees I do not support censure But if you believe censure is due Then the city manager who let matters get to this state Without intervening without protecting the back of his staff It is the city manager who should be censored for failing in his responsibility Especially as I said because his responsibility to his staff and to have a good working environment Is not a place where he seems to have ever stepped in. Thank you Good afternoon council members. My name is Rick Longinati on the 26th of this month I'm teaching a workshop called politics in the art of communication Invite you to come My last workshop one of the council members came. Thank you You know Wanting to reconcile is just native to us. We all want that and we all have the experience of that And I invite you to think about a time when Someone you loved, you know, you and that person got into a really, you know, very angry conflict And you said stuff that you didn't mean and then you went away and then you when you came back One person said, you know what I regret what I said and then almost immediately the other person says, you know And I'm sorry for what I said, you know, that's the experience we we want to invoke here Censure doesn't do that. That's just more shaming. Thank you Good evening city leaders We have a backlog of civic issues many of which have ended up on the agenda for deliberation in the past And that's terrific. But what happens when these discussions hit a dead end? They get tabled for a short period sometimes indefinitely or so it feels indefinite But today here we are airing the dirty laundry that is hr affairs within the council to the public Less than a month from the last attempt at doing such it is very disappointing to see how internal affairs within city staff Take priority over the real issues and policies that affect us the folks who subsidize your payroll What's more is that one of the city leaders who are in favor of this topic of censure is also engaged in unprofessional behavior on this Same stage previously. I understand we have our off days myself included and it's completely valid to be upset over this collective mud slinging But failing to acknowledge their own wrongdoing while also trying to ostracize two other council members In my view it displays an attitude of trying to have it both ways as well as sheer pettiness What i'm trying to state is that if this censure passes that either council member mires acknowledge her table slamming outbursts Or also face censure as well in order your time is up to ensure accountability for all council members Thank you All right, I thought I had two minutes by one minute So let me make this short my earliest memory is my mother on the floor asking me to call the doctor because my stepfather Had just hit her. That's my earliest memory. So I hear the stuff believe woman. Yes, I'm right there with you Believe woman believe victims believe victims of violence Here's the thing though. I've only been hearing the take back sand and cruise crowd be responding with that believe woman Redrick recently very very recently and the same crew back there that applauded fervently at the Outraged woman account here spoke out against the perceive misogyny the unsubstantiated misogyny They laughed when another woman out here said that the recall petitioners assaulted her They laughed this isn't about believe women This is clearly not about believe women. Thank you Good evening. I'm suzio here and I'd like to reflect on public comment dozens of people have addressed the council Opposing the censure not one person has said these are good men and they did not behave badly not one person What they said was what's the time? I'm going to go ahead We're going to go ahead. We we will try we want to hear from everybody whether we agree with them or not without disruption I'm going to go ahead and ask that you please respect your fellow colleagues I would just also say you know, we've been trying to listen to each other all night and Um, this is one of the people who's coming forward I think that'd be really respectful if we all remain quiet during when she speaks please What they said was Bernal, this is your fault walkins. This is your fault mires.  So I want to say I'm not Responsible for drew's behavior.  It's not my fault because I'm A public servant. It is not my fault Justin was it your fault when chris screamed in your face in the public after you took an opposing vote Sandy the same question goes for you. Was it your fault?  I want the victim blaming and shaming to stop it is retaliatory and abusive It must stop it must stop and that is true for your constituents as well I want to just leave it Very much on a personal level. I am part of this community as you All are and this whole thing is just tearing through the community It's tearing families apart. It's tearing friendships apart This cannot go on And there has to be a way to come together and heal for god's sake Thank you Okay Next speaker My seiu t-shirt is an artifact. It's it's chance today. I'm not speaking for seiu. I'm just speaking for myself Um, I wouldn't want your jobs Honestly, I'm impressed with all of you. I think you're all good hearted people And I think you all behave a lot the same and I've seen that In the last meeting when there was an attempt to shut down communication one way And there was an attempt to shut down communication another way One of which I supported and one of which I opposed but they really weren't very different And I think that's the main point that I draw from the report The really well researched and documented report which said This behavior is basically what council members do It happens all the time men and women do it to men and women So thus all of the all of the sexual discrimination Charges were not substantiated because there's no sex discrimination going on I am a little bit embarrassed both for my friends on the council and for my not as much friends on the council By your behavior Hi, I'm going to attempt to read the rest of Mike Posner's I don't know where she ended. So what is more noteworthy about the report is that it does not substantiate serious allegations Of misogyny directed to the two council members publicly by mayor Watkins It is unreasonable and clearly subjective to ignore an objective report and continue to try to punish or shame or reprimand other council members Unprofessional would put it mildly Perhaps some of you actually believe that crone and glover are more guilty than indicated in the report If so, you need to remind yourself of your lack of objectivity and rely instead on a report that you commissioned It also behooves you to remember that a move to censure will be used as part of a recall effort that will if successful serve your political agenda Whether you are purposefully timing the two together or not You are responsible for the reasonable public perception that you are Inappropriately using the censure process to move your political agenda While some of the other some of the people attempting to censure me were also involved in raw politics The difference was that there was a definable breach of city rules on my part, which an objective party could identify Your time is up We'll go ahead and have a public comment end after the woman with the hat And we'll have you all be heard for the last remaining time. So with the hat, you'll be our last speaker Beverly they show here I made a mistake in something I said last week about Having been a therapist and that people can't do it even when they work together That's actually was a mistake on my part. What I meant to say is it's very difficult even for people who want to Do something And and I have a degree in women's studies. I'm for women. So women need to have a place to Have their Issues addressed What happened what was presented by hr is just more rules people There's there's a conflict going on. It needs to be resolved. There needs to be something coming from hr What is the channel when person has an issue if you have an issue you need to have it addressed and not have it Go on and fester in the community and tear the community apart as this is doing So I meant to call hr personally didn't but I say that to you all Please have a way that people can address it instead of tearing the city apart. Thank you next speaker next speaker Good evening scott ram the rose report Said to have mediation it didn't say anything about censure and in the in the Spirit of mediation the censure is actually creating a bigger chasm whereas mediation is a bridge So instead of creating this chasm Let's build a bridge. Let's uh Have people come together even if you don't see iti and everything which is almost impossible to do with anybody There's got to be common ground. There's got to be somewhere where everybody can see see things The same and there's got to be respect. Everybody deserves respect You know a ritha franklin said respect, you know and so In the words of rodney king Can't we all just get along? i'm not going to give one whole minute We who will pay the 29 000 in bills for the rose report and its recommendations Feel that we should fully understand why these personnel issues were not first handled privately and immediately But we're allowed to fester as she said and grow until they became a public spectacle If the same over zealous attention we see now Had been utilized at the very beginning The public may not have had to be paying 29 000 to resolve the issues that should have been addressed earlier And between all of you not with us We deserve a full report from the city manager Explaining why and how these personnel problems were not controlled and managed in the prescribed methods that already existed Thank you Hey pat malo, um, I just want to say really quick that um, you know, unfortunately I think we've reached the point where Center mediation any of the things that are on the table are not going to help this situation I personally don't have a way out of it All I can really do is acknowledge that, you know, this thing may have started in some ways as political and for I think every single person involved Everyone in this room. It's gotten at some degree personal I don't know how we, you know, each take responsibility For give and move past this point. Um, I hope that it doesn't escalate, but I think that this we're watching it escalate right now Um, you know, all I can do as an individual in this community is say, I'm sorry to everyone I'm sorry Susie. I'm sorry all of you. I'm sorry everyone But I'm just one person and um, I plan on living here forever I plan on doing politics with everyone here forever and we're all gonna have to live in the same Community, you know, if we're lucky enough to be able to stay here. So thank you and one second. Thanks Afternoon I've heard talk of a fugue talk of conspiracy talk of moving on here this afternoon I haven't heard anything about accountability But it's far simpler than that Allegations have been laid. They've been investigated and some have been substantiated. None have been determined unfounded There's also been talk of reconciliation Sentry is a simple public acknowledgement of wrongdoing nothing more nothing less if anyone is sincerely Sincere and wanting reconciliation of public recognition is where it starts The wrongdoing that was investigated and substantiated was by two council members Not the whole council not the mayor and not the city manager I'm glad that at a minimum people have been heard on the question today But every time someone says we're in a fugue that it's all conspiracy that we need to just move on They're saying that the allegations the investigation and yes the victims don't matter Do please keep your voices down next speaker Okay, so I feel like I've been in here Pause the time. I'm gonna go ahead and remind the community. We've tried to hear from everybody We're gonna go ahead and listen with respect to the person who's speaking at the podium at this time Go right ahead. I appreciate that um, I've been in here enough times to know that like people will say All sorts of things and have dozens and dozens of really compelling arguments to You know call this out for what it is and it really doesn't matter like people on the council who are voting have already made their decisions There's like a very clear cut division between people so um, we've heard from the community and I think the case is clear, but um Instead, I just want to talk about this whole thing. I read this thing in the article a couple months ago in the sentinel about how It's been a GOP tactic and conservative tactic across the country to instigate recall effort because Conservatives win when there's lower voter turnout which happens in special election and I think it's clear the censure is like a political tactic to reinforce Okay, we have one so Kathy you'll be our last speaker go right ahead Marilyn Garrett I've known Chris crone from the time he was on the city council several and two decades ago And I feel like Chris crone and Drew Glover are some of the council members Who most represent the public interest and not big developer interest and it appears there's a lot of money to recall them and Looking into where that's coming from. So yes, I support Chris crone and Drew Glover and That's it, thank you Please lower your sign I'm going to ask you to please please lower your sign to not obstruct the view of the person behind you You'll be our last speaker So my name is Kathy agnome. I'm a community member for more than 60 years I'm city staff for more than 29 I spoke at the last meeting From a city staff point of view and I had more than 50 city staff thank me and I was Very scared but I knew I had to say something Same thing happened tonight. I'm not prepared I was very touched by what rabbi posner was talking about atonement And I must say a city staff. I'm so demoralized at the lack of accountability That's it's hard Thank you Thank you We'll go ahead and bring the item back up to the council for action and deliberation I'll just basically say and then I'll turn it over to my colleague council member brown That this item to table is just a table It's to to bring it back at a future time and having heard from the community It felt like it was a left open kind of place where we didn't have not only community input Or any type of council direction And it felt it was appropriate to have that take place and I feel that to have Some closure on this will help propel us to move forward in a way that's going to lead to more healing Accountability is part of healing. It's part of the restorative process. It's part of the conversation That's what this is about. We had two council members who felt inclined to bring this item to us for consideration And I think that it's appropriate for us to hear their item and to hear their to consider it That's what we do. And so that's what's before us today. I thank you for being here. I know these conversations are difficult I'm hopeful we can move forward in the best interests of our community and city But also in terms of creating a workplace that's free of harassment as well And so I'll bring it back to the council for hopefully action and deliberation And we'll go ahead and have to hope reserve at least about 10 minutes at the end for any oral communications council member brown Yeah I'd like to make a motion that the city council finds that the evidence for centering two of its members Is inadequate based on the findings of the rose report As it relates to procedural order to Dash 1b of the city of santa christ fair workplace policy Which states that a single act shall not constitute disrespectful conduct unless especially severe and egregious second Okay, we have a motion by council member brown. We have a seconded by vice mayor Cummings council member crone I'd like to call the question Is there a second to the call the question second? Okay, all those in favor of calling the question. Please say aye. Aye opposed Okay, that passes with council member matthews voting against Okay, we'll go ahead and call the question any all those in favor of the motion to not censure council member crone and council member glover. Please say aye. Aye opposed No, so that passes with council member crone glover brown and vice mayor Cummings voting in support of not moving the item to censure We'll go ahead and we want you to hear from our city attorney I'm gonna ask for you to please keep your voices down Had an opportunity for to hear from you We'll go ahead and ask that you keep your voices down and we can hear from our city attorney Go ahead. Just want to remind the council that there's a second action item associated with this agenda item concerning updating apio to One be respectful worst workplace conduct policy and city council policy 25.2 Okay For your consideration All right, does any do council member matthews? I'll go ahead and move that part of the recommendation motion to direct staff to review an update as necessary the apio I'll also just mention for the interest of the public here that we have already engaged in the conflict resolution process And we have in the course of the afternoon Engaged in several unanimous votes and several split votes in which we disagreed civilly Okay, we have a motion by council member matthews second by vice mayor Cummings any further discussion council member glover Thanks, I just wanted to clarify that the staff review and update of the administrative policy will come to the council for authorization before it gets finalized Yes, it has to Any further discussion? Okay, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, that passes unanimously Okay, so um that concludes this item I think at minimum we deserve to hear where the council stood on this and I appreciate the motion coming forward one way or the other We need to have some of these move decided council member. I mean, um city manager per norm I just want to clarify the the council policy will come back to you the apio is an administrative procedure So that technically doesn't come back to you, but if they're linked, so obviously you'll you'll see the correlation there Okay, council member govern. Thank you. Um, so thank you everyone for coming out tonight to speak. I really appreciate everyone but especially uh rabbi posner and The suggestions around there. So, you know, I was just thinking about it and I think it's important Especially an observation of yam kippur to offer my deep Apology to anyone male or female that I may have inadvertently or unintentionally hurt through disagreements or various interactions As a person that advocates for mediated conflict reconciliation and someone's been asking for it for months I'm really happy that we were able to close this chapter of What's been going on in the council and hopefully move forward together to not only build The relationships and come closer together as a team But also to be able to more effectively use our time to serve the community And especially address some of the prevalent issues that we face like homelessness affordable housing and other kinds of things so I extend My hand to my councilmen fellow council members as well as the staff and other council or community members so that we can meet Combine our efforts and figure out how we can move forward to a more prosperous future for everyone right, so We'll go ahead and conclude this item now is the time for oral communications. I'm wondering who here is To present to the council on items not on today's agenda. That's for items not on today's agenda Okay, if you could please line up to my left And if we have additional time and others who are here to speak on this item that didn't get to speak We'd be happy to entertain that until 6 30 I'd like to do Well, let's see if We'll just do the two minutes. Yeah Okay, we'll go ahead and ask to keep your voices down as you exit the chambers And we'll ask you to come forward if you're here to speak on today's items that are not on today's agenda And you'll have let's do 90 seconds to be on the safe side to try to get through everybody We'll go ahead If you're not prepared We're going to go ahead and ask that you if you could keep your voices down as you exit the chamber so that we can have Oral communications begin have you keep your voices down as you exit the chambers so we can have oral communications begin I'm going to say it one more time if you could please keep your voices down as you exit the chamber So we can have oral communications again as we have to conclude our meeting by 6 30 p.m You'll have 90 seconds. Please go ahead Hard to hear you. What did you say? You have 90 seconds. Go right ahead oral communications items not on today's agenda Okay, how much time? Oh 90 seconds Uh maryland garret And go ahead and please keep your voices down as you exit to respect those that are here to speak us at oral communications And everybody in the chambers, please Keep your voices down to respect the person here who is wanting to speak to us at oral communications You'll have 90 seconds those who want to speak to us light up to my left You can go ahead and close the doors. Okay. Go right ahead. I'm looking at the sign housing is a human right health is a human right and the right not to be microwave I'm going to pass out these half page flyers the picture on here is near where I live freedom little barred and redwood heights road. It's a picture of a Verizon 4g antenna That is emitting Radiation that is known to have severe biological effects And you've been provided with the data on the outburst health effects a promotional I saw by Verizon and AT&T showed that They just come and put their 5g devices on these poles and on your city light standards everywhere What is going on with the 4g as a precursor to the 5g? I gave you copies of the documentary called 5g apocalypse The extinction event and thank you sandy brown. I know you viewed that and it starts out and it's important to understand What the 5g is doing And what they say it's doing we're told now this is off No, it's it on We're told on the IEEE bean forming document that this technology cooks your eyes Like eggs in world war two. We all need to understand these are military Weapons your time is up and we need to stop it.  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I'm here to thank you for supporting The climate strike week and particularly this police did a wonderful job of expediting the marches I'd like to very quickly show you this Quilt that was produced by the children Um the kids get it and we deserve and they deserve The most the best action we can possibly put into this tiffany wise west is doing a good job She needs thorough support from you all um We have been collecting signatures only since the 20th and we got 465 signatures from people around the county in support of Zero carbon by 2030 reduce vehicle emissions limit single use plastic facilitate food waste reduction and other steps as needed There is huge public support. Thank you Next speaker, please My name is jessica chewitt in ingersaw I'm here to inform the council about the reality of retaliatory evictions and rent increases Facing tenants here and all over the state due to ab 1482 While this bill is promising there are many tenants who have received no cause evictions or rent increases During this gap period where landlords are aware of new protections But have the unlimited ability to hike up rents or evict before they begin In fact around five section eight Elderly and or disabled tenants in lower ocean are currently facing eviction And they live in one of the last few below market rate complexes and Santa Cruz and more notices are expected to come Many of these people have nowhere to go One tenants already living in their van others are trying to get in touch with homeless services Which are already at capacity What are we going to do? Clearly many landlords are urgently acting to get as much profit as possible before these protections go into effect I asked the council to have similar urgency by considering interim tenant protections So those who have received or will receive these notices before january of next year Please Please lower your excuse me for the person in the front Please lower your sign as to not obstruct the view of the person if you want to hold it You're welcome to stand up in the back if you want to hold it up. You can stand in the back Go right ahead. You have one. Oh, i'm ron wams on behalf of eviction Lower income and on housing. I am uh, I just got to receive an eviction notice the first was 68 now it's a 90 day thing And i'm a senior citizen. I'll be legally blind. They said About eight months ago six months. I'll be totally blind just that well Now I got a couple months left. I'll be totally blind homeless at my fall Might I could be paralyzed from my back down my neck down. Also, I found out that also my hearing is going so What do I do? Where do I where do I live at?  What is real reform and what is required here? It has to start with the replacement of the city manager and the department heads unelected powerfully paid Unaccountable city officials without oversight and the creation of a regular oversight process The city attorney also has become a key player an increasingly authoritarian mayor calls on him for Helpful rulings. This is on top of interrupting council members Refusing to recognize others confuse Wavering council members and if necessary throwing matters into closed session, which further gags the progressive majority Council members crone and glover themselves and their allies are not without blame By not holding public meetings press conferences and taking independent action to educate the community They essentially allow themselves and their constituents to be muzzled Frivolous recall and censure actions loud cries of uncivil echo We need change Let's do it Good evening council. I just want to congratulate everyone in this city on a wonderful climate strike and the week of climate change awareness activities and the young people especially I just want to say that right now when we are going through a reconciliation process and understanding We need to shift our values and the faster the better So I just want to say Santa Cruz is a town that is extremely wealthy one of the most expensive places to live in the world I heard the fourth most expensive For example, I would like us to start doing things like partner with cities who are Cities of color cities whose places to live have already gone underwater because of climate change Like Santa Cruz. We are fighting rising sea levels. We're pumping out a lot of water Cynthia said a few times So I'm just asking that in every single council agenda item that we really look at the impending crisis And how it pertains to that particular item. Thank you Hey, my name is margalita zikia and I'm a mom. I'm a long-term resident in I've lived in Santa Cruz since 1982 And I'm also while I was until recently when I retired. I was a teacher for 33 years And I want to really urge all of you to take the move to to Get to carbon zero by 2030 very seriously As a mom and as a teacher of 33 years worth of students, you know, this is their future And we don't have enough time to waste We need to move forward boldly and Take decisive action And I want to see I want to see our city council taking the lead and Being innovative and being strong and leading the way for other communities. Thank you You'll have one minute Hello city council members. My name is Owen Thomas. I'm speaking also in support of the tenants who are going to be impacted by The slew of evictions with the upcoming assembly bill that's going to be passed in January first providing rent protections in a rent cap So I think of city council members if you're supportive of tenants remaining housed Also, if you're supportive of of you know folks Of houseless residents as well or of houselessness as an issue It would be in your interest to pass some form of eviction protections and some form of rent cap To protect the folks who are most vulnerable at this like very crucial window Being unhoused during fall is a potentially disastrous time for anybody. It's getting colder It's going to start raining This is a very very easy thing that you could all do to Support a small handful of people. Thank you Hi everybody, uh, dany drysdale lifelong resident current city voter not here to talk about needles today despite my really cool t-shirt Actually here also in support of some stopgap tenant protections to get us through until ab 1482 goes into effect I think we're seeing right now as much as we can see about the like retaliatory evictions that are happening That's probably a lot. We're not hearing about Don't have a lot to add but I will ask that everyone in the room who supports tenants and supports the council passing something around this Please stand up Yay, thank you Hi council members. I'm Cynthia burger with Santa Cruz tenants association a year or so ago You sold like your free land in scott's valley for eight million dollars And I think that you could have bought that property where those people are living for 500 thousand of that Or maybe less and I think there are other properties in this town such as possibly the one owned by Joe Gio who doesn't seem to have any apparent family That you could be negotiating and trying to buy and having in a community land trust And I don't see and I see your eyes are glazing over so thank you I am Nancy cruzo speaking on behalf of the People who are being currently evicted And speaking as one of the elderly who could be in that situation I would like to see you do something to protect this vulnerable population By next time you meet that's what we're asking. Thanks My name is Kyle Davenport. I was here to encourage and try to help with solutions for homelessness I realized that I need to be a part of the solution and that I need to be the solution myself And I've been trying to figure out what that means last night I was reading my aa book and I realized the solution for me for me to be the solution is in the aa book And a part of that is the 12 steps which is making amends. I'm here to make amends with the city of Santa Cruz an institution which I have abused and When I was drunk And I kind of had a grandiose self-righteous attitude against a lot of people emotional abuse Some bullying beliefs behaviors intimidation and I that was me five years ago And I'm here to commit to this city and all the people wonderful people here that I'm changing and I'm going to do better And That's all I have to say. Thank you I don't remember the first time I talked to the city council here, but it was more than 30 years ago I ran out of things to say I'm humbled by our last speaker. I would like to use the remainder of my minute For a minute of silence in memory of all of those who've died Due to their vulnerability and lack of housing and all those who will in the coming year And you don't have to say it martin. We're saying it times up I'm mayor council Brent Adams of the warming center program I have super good news. Of course not one person has to sleep outside on the coldest wettest nights of the winter warming center program What would you do if you were managing a warming center program and people with wheelchairs or people who were terribly smelly couldn't come in To the regular shelter. We actually have a cleaning program We put the highest priority on people who sleep outside people with uh physical mobility challenges and mental health challenges We go out into the community and bring them in Uh, I just wanted you to know that last year, uh, there was only 60 beds at the salvation army starting at the season And finally you you upped it up Opened the the salvation army in march in that in that 60 beds where it was eclipsed by the encampments So really at a net of zero beds last winter we doubled down warming center every time you talk about winter shelter impending We have to talk about warming center Um, we're all volunteer community supported program. Thank you Good evening city council My name is jeff howe and i'm also here in support of the folks at lower ocean who are in danger of being evicted I want to let you know that you have a whole council Full of people who are here in support and I think that that's a sign that this is a part of a much bigger issue That needs to be addressed in santa cruz Um to come up time and time again Um, it sounds like that it's time for you to step in especially in this situation where folks are in danger of being houseless and as someone that has said one of the worst times of the year when it is cold when people are unfortunately suffering in the in the weather, um, and Yeah, so please step in do something Don't add more folks outside who have to rely on services like the one we just heard about. Thank you Good evening council. My name is tau. I think when it comes to housing we talk a lot about housing providers and good landlords but um A person's livelihood whether or not they're going to be living on the streets tonight should not be dependent on a single person You have to pass some kind of policy because before this ab 1482 has passed a lot of landlords are going to find that as an opportunity To raise rents to evict people to profit and that's just the reality of the situation So do like you did back in february. I forgot what year 2018 and pass some protections right now Before you know the homelessness issue Gets even worse than it already is That concludes oral communications council member lover. Thank you. Um, so Appreciate everyone coming out. I'm really disconcerted about some of the stuff We were just hearing about with the evictions taking place is separately with some of our most vulnerable community members both facing age and physical Disability issues. So I would make the motion that we prioritize an action item on the next meeting agenda to address emergency tenant protections second Seconded by councilor cohn. Mr. Cundady Yes, council member glover Spoke with me before making the motion during the oral communications pertinent Provision of the brown act states no action or discussion shall be taken on any item not appearing on the posted agenda Except that members of the legislative body or its staff may briefly respond to statements or questions made Uh Questions posed by persons exercising their public testimony rights under section 5495 4.3 That's what just happened. Uh, in addition on their own initiative or in response to questions posed by the members of the public um A member of the legislative body or the body itself subject to rules uh, or procedures the legislative body may provide a reference to staff Or other resources for factual information requests staff to report back to the body at a subsequent meeting Concerning any matter or take action to direct staff to place a matter of business on a future agenda So we can't talk about the content, but this was brought up I have a question for you. Mr. Cundady One of the things that was also a motion to table was a second reading of just cause evictions Can I ask for clarification as to whether or not that's the direction that this would be Or is this a new potential? Directed item that would come forward in a different direction. Maybe that would be a clarification. Good questions I recall there was a motion to table the just cause eviction item I think that could be seen as an opportunity to Place that back on the agenda because it sounds like that's the sort of thing that councilmember Glover might have in mind Can't respond to that My interest is in the uh protection of the people that just came up to speak about their in their imminent Removal from their places of housing and with no other place to go that are going to end up sleeping on the streets of Santa Cruz So we're whatever that it might be I think it should be a broad agenda topic of exploring all of our options around emergency tenant protections to ensure that we limit or Eliminate the displacement of our low income community members, especially in reaction or in retaliation to the potential passing of the state legislation So it could potentially include that if that's what it includes. Is that correct? I I believe could okay based on the the statement that was just made. Yeah, okay councillor cream Without discussing the item in detail very very nice try, mayor. Um, I would My second it was only about the tenant protection The issue on bixby street and that that's a very narrow Focus that this council needs to take it up and that's what I was seconding I don't know if that's what the motion was that was not the motion Mine was to address emergency tenant protections, whatever those might be So I would imagine that the situation on bixby street is not unique Bixby street and that there are other tenants in the community that are potentially facing the same Threat of being displaced. So I'm not saying that one way or another what we should bring back what we shouldn't bring back I think that we should have an actionable item on the next agenda So that at least within the next two weeks We can do our own due diligence and then come back with some ideas on some tangible solutions to prevent displacement Is that are you still seconding that motion? I'm gonna withdraw my motion my second you're withdrawing the second Okay, so we have a motion. Is there a second? There's no second. Okay, so that motion will die. We'll go ahead and adjourn the meeting at this time Welcome to my life everyone It's a trap to justify and try to protect people. I don't care if it's a trap come and get me like I'm here to protect the constituents that we were voted to protect