Karen. Okay. Okay. Well, let's see, we probably do have a quorum. And that one makes 10. Yeah. If he or she counts, we have 10. 10 counts, we have 10. I'm not sure I know what you mean, Jacqueline. I thought I heard a dog bark. How to join when you said, if we have a quorum and I heard a bark. Well, that was you. He just me coughing. That's all. Sorry about that. Now, there's only four of us, so we don't have a quorum yet. So we just have to wait a minute. I know that Greg cannot come on. I'll be really surprised if Christina is not here or so. Let's just wait a minute or two. I have to leave it a little early because I actually have a six o'clock dinner meeting. So that's okay. A few minutes early. Not a problem. Thanks for letting us know. Hi, Norma. Hi, Rosemary. Hi, Norma. Norma does encounter a quorum member, so we have to wait one more. So is it raining in the North Hammers? It's raining. It just started raining here. It just started here. It just came in from a walk. I'm in Echo Hill. Oh, and I don't see it. I don't think I see it anymore. Yeah, it's raining here on the South Side. Yeah. Not raining at UMass yet. I just read something about UMass and doing their semester differently next year. That sounds very. How do you feel about that? Um, graduation. That there is. Yeah, it's I'm I'm sad for my colleagues who have young children because that time between graduation and when the kids were out of school was always just the best time of year and, you know, that they're taking away a good because commencement is not until Memorial Day weekend. So we do have a longer January break, but I'd rather have. I mean, I think most of us would much rather have time off in May than in January. Yeah, yeah. And Memorial Day weekend. A hectic weekend as it is. Yeah, yeah. It's saying, well, we'll see. Ah, well, I'm really quite disappointed that the scene is not on. I think we should just go ahead and get started. Yeah. Yes. So I'll do a roll call and let me get that.  OK, that's great. Um, when you respond, respond using your voice to make sure that everybody's audio is OK. So Greg Baskham. Chad Fuller, Karen, Helfer, your Milla, Monty, Mior, Christine, Sharbi, Jacqueline, Smith, Crooks. Here. Dennis Vandal. Right here. And Terry Carr. Terry, is the sound on unmute? Terry, I think she's still. She is muted.  Looks like she can't hear us. Unmute Terry, please. Hello. OK, hi. Are you doing good? OK, very good. I call the meeting to order pursuant to Governor Baker's March 12th, 2020, order suspending certain provisions of the meeting law, GLC 30A 18. This meeting of the Council on Aging is being conducted via from remote participation. The meeting is also being recorded. And I would ask you all to unmute, I mean, to mute so that we don't have any background noise. I will also ask for any public comment at this time. Anyone in the public is welcome to make a comment for up to three minutes. And if you wish to speak, do so now. We will not respond or discuss what you say. Any comments in the public show of hand? OK. OK, well, let's move on. Then I'd like to introduce our new members of the council. First, I'd like to welcome everyone, our guests, Eric Earl Miller and. Jennifer Moisten. And I'd like to welcome also our new members, Terry Carr and Dennis Bandahl, who were just recently sworn in to be council members. So, Terry, do you want to say Terry disappeared? She might be having trouble with her connection. Dennis, do you want to say hi and say a few words about yourself? Yes, OK, I've just figured out how to unmute it temporarily. Hi, I'm Dennis Bandahl, a resident here of Amherst for only about 20 years. I'm a fly in. I'm still. Let's just say that I'm semi retired because photography never really leaves you. And that's basically what I do for a living. I've worked as a photographer and a photojournalist for. Really, my entire career and thanks to Rosemary, I became involved with with the the COA and I was I'm also a member of the Friends and also a member of the Salt Council. And that's that's basically about it. Previous to my involvement, I was a member of the Salt Council. To my involvement, my my my late wife, Ada Walsh, was also a member of the Friends and she was also for a while a member of the COA.  So in other words, thank you very much for welcoming me aboard and and here I am. So I'll see whatever I can do for you. Just let me know. Thank you, Dennis. OK. And let's go around the table, so to speak. And introduce ourselves. I think you all know me. I've been involved with the senior sender as a volunteer and on the council and on the Friends committee. For many years, I got started in 2003 and I'm I'm still kicking. So Jacqueline, how about introducing yourself? Jacqueline is co-chair of the council on mute, though. Unmute Jacqueline Smith Crooks. And I'm on the council with Rosemary and I am co-chairing. This is my second time around in Amherst. I came here originally as a graduate student in the 70s and came back here again in the 21st century. We're happy to have you back for some years. Yes, thank you. OK. And Karen, how about yourself? I'm Karen Helfer. I'm a relatively new member of the council. I think maybe since January I've been. I'm a longtime resident of Amherst, 20 something years. And I'm a UMass professor also. And Terry, as our other new member of the council, if you can unmute and just tell us a bit about yourself. I'm Terry Carr. I've been an Amherst about a year and a half. I'm from Northampton originally and I volunteer at the senior center. So I get a lot of background info from there. And I'm happy to be here. Thank you. And Terry is also secretary and does the minutes for us. So and let's move on to our guest or Chad, Chad, from our sorry. Chad, please introduce yourself. Sure, I'm Chad. I don't know what that underneath my name is. I think that's some kind of legal thing. Charles Fuller, the third, I don't know. OK, well, welcome. Thanks. And then we have Norma Halleck, who is here. Introduce yourself, Norma. Unmute first. Hello, I'm Norma Halleck. And I served on the board for almost six years until they changed the rules about you had to be a member of live in the in this town and city of Amherst. So I am involved with the friends on the board. And I used to do blood pressures on Tuesdays at the senior center and volunteer when I can to help out with functions or. Yeah, what about with functions? So and I belong to the Island Valley Elder Services Board. So as part of that, I'm on their. Their nutrition council. And I've been on that for five years. And we meet only every other month. And the meeting got changed till after your meeting, because I report back to this board.  Thank you, Norma.  Sorry, thank you. I'm Linda Terry. I'm from the board of Amherst Neighbors. I'm one of the founding members also and we're a variety of hats. Anything from communications and clerk.  And so I'm very dedicated to it. But I want to be at Rosemary and I talked and we'd like to have a regular voice and, you know, be a part of the council and and be able to work together. So I hope to be that representative from the Amherst Neighbors and Jackie, I have to just comment. I also have two lives in Amherst. I was here as a single parent and went to graduate school. And then I went on the career circuit and came back in the 20th, 21st century to literally 2000. Well, 2008 actually was later. So, yeah, it's like a magnet kind of gets draws you back. And here I am. And Christina, welcome. Thank you. And would you unmute and introduce yourself, please? Yes. Um, I'm Christina Charba, and I just had a frantic run because I got out of work and I had to go to two stores. So I'm like, I don't even know where any of my cell phone or anything is right now, frazzled. But I live here in Amherst for 30 somewhat years. I came from Brooklyn, New York. I work two part-time jobs. And I enjoy civic engagement. And I'm active member of the African American Church in Amherst called Goodwin Memorial. And I am honored to be on this committee and hopefully enjoy my time and do some constructive things. Thank you. OK. And then we have special guests. Jennifer Moisten is here from the town. If you want to introduce yourself, Jennifer. Oh, good afternoon, everyone. My name is Jennifer Moisten. I'm the assistant director of diversity, equity, inclusion here for the town. I've worked for the town for about almost nine years next month. It'll be my ninth year. I've lived in Amherst for about 40 plus years. And I remember volunteering at the senior center when I was like 11 or 12. And I, you know, I helped my mom deliver meals on wheels. So I'm here to help and support you guys in any way that I can. And it's an honor to be here. Thank you. And I recognize most of you. So hi. And Earl Miller. Hi, everyone. I am the newest to town. I've only been here for four weeks, so I think that puts me in the minority. I'm the director of the new community responders for equity, safety and service program. So it's a wonderful once in a century opportunity to start a new public safety department. No pressure. And so four weeks in where we're trying to build something that everyone will be happy with. So you can imagine that's a tricky. But it is my dream job. So I'm really glad to be here with you all. I think about this all the time and I'm looking to be a good partner with you all. I have two daughters, Valencia and Carmelina. You will see the little one here in the summer. Her name is Valencia. I expect she'll want to hang out at the senior center. That is her crowd. So I'm looking forward to spending time with you all. Thank you. And we look forward to hearing hearing about the Crest program. And I'm afraid Haley just disappeared, but she is probably the most important person to introduce. She is the director of senior services, so she'll be back. So let's let's move on. Actually, Haley is the first up on the agenda, as a matter of fact. So I wanted her to give you a report. What's going on with at the senior center and the activities. So when she comes back, we'll have her do that. But in the meantime, Jennifer, can you talk to us about your program that on diversity and inclusion? So currently right now, you know, this is a new department for the town similar to Crest being a new department. And we're waiting for the director to be hired. I basically have been doing diversity, equity and inclusion work for the town since the town changed its charter. When we kind of changed our form of government and the administrative tasks that I was doing before no longer belong to this office. And so I had some free time where I was able to kind of dive into the EI. So I'm really here to kind of support you guys. I do do a workshop that's about an hour and a half that, you know, if it's needed. But we really are just I'm just here to support you guys. I know at some at some point was an issue and I know it's a town goal to have all of the staff and boards and committees, you know, start being trained on on equity issues. So I'll just leave it there and see if anyone has any questions or if there's anything anyone wants to say. But I'm I'm really mostly here to support you guys. So I guess hearing how you guys feel about equity and inclusion would be a great place to start. I'm I wondered what your workshop was about. You said you did a workshop and I. Yeah, so my workshop really starts off with the notion to give everyone the same common language and knowledge in regards to equity. And then the goal of that is to hope that it inspires people to want to do a little more self exploration, which then we would have follow up trainings for. But it's really what I call like the ABCs of the EI. A lot of people in life have been misinformed for a long time about the actual history. And so I'm just kind of here to my workshop kind of dismantles those theories that are not real. So and and what time is involved? I mean, is this a workshop that we could do during one of our meetings, for instance, you could. And I it would take up the bulk of a good percentage of the meeting. So my suggestion would be to schedule a separate meeting for it. But we just because, you know, once conversation starts, it kind of extends it out. I recently ran this workshop over at UMass for the microbiology program and we did it in about an hour and 15. So it can be done, but that, you know, it. We kind of skipped and I gave them stuff to go back and look at later, right? That's how I had to do it to squeeze it into the hour. So instead of being able to do the whole thing together as a group, they had to go out and do it separately. So is this an interactive workshop then? Well, it is in the sense that we're all together. I mean, I personally rather do these in person. I don't typically do them via Zoom. I think there's something lost when we have these kind of conversations and they're not in person, but they can be done by Zoom. Yeah. OK, OK. Any other questions from anyone? Thank you, Jennifer. Yeah, I guess. Chad, did you have a question? No, yes. Well, I was just going to add support as opposed to a question. I've gone through this with Jennifer and it's very comprehensive. We would get absolutely no work done as a board. We get a lot of work done on this topic. It's one of the best I've ever I've ever attended. And I've been doing this for 50, 60 years, but she hits all the points. It's great. Oh, thank you, Chad. I do I do have to say that, you know, the benefit of it is that everybody has the same common knowledge and that, you know, the senior center there's a disconnect with seniors from the BIPOC community and other marginalized community members. And so one of the things that it does is it kind of opens up and helps you understand where that disconnect may be, which makes it a little bit easier for you to go out into the community and approach folks. And it breaks down that barrier, that wall a little bit from your perspective so that you have a better understanding of what might of how to connect with people on another level. It sounds excellent. Yes. OK. Thank you very much, Jennifer. You are welcome. OK, and I don't see I see that Haley hasn't reconnected with us yet. And unfortunately, Terry Carr keeps losing her connection as well. So I'd like to move on then and have Earl tell us about his program in Crest Community Responders for it's a mouthful. Don't worry. It's going to take you a while. It's not as catchy as Fire Department yet, but we'll get there. Community Responders for Equity, Safety and Service. This was the Department of Town set up in response to, you know, in large part the murder of George Floyd and Amherst being an action oriented place really did develop this thing. So there's been this two year work plan. I'm sure some of you have seen it or been involved. I know certainly Jennifer has to develop this thing. Just tell you a little bit about myself. I'm from Holyoke. I spent the last four years at the Department of Mental Health working as a director of recovery and employment services. So this is it's interesting. I think sometimes people think town stuff moves slow, but compared to the state, it feels like rocket speed. I don't know that I've worked this fast and in a long time. What we're doing right now is really building up the infrastructure. Crest is going to be 10 folks when we start. Me, a program assistant and then eight responders. I know there's been some concerns, particularly from the senior community, that does this mean the police won't show up if I call 911? Promise you the right people will show up. We don't fight fires. We are not. We don't have any of the mechanisms police have. But really what this is, is that, you know, frankly, not all 911 calls require the police or fire department to show up. And right now they do show up to those things, but often, you know, it's taxing on them doing the work that they they really do on a daily basis. And so we'll be doing that. We're just starting. So my commitment to folks is that by mid June, we'll be out on the streets patrolling to some degree. Come July, we'll be full bore. And you'll be able to reach us both through 911. If you call 911, some calls will be routed directly to us. It may be that the police and us show up and then we'll show up and figure out who's the right person or maybe it's a combination. The town isn't losing anything. You're gaining a whole other department that can do things like kind of stay and do the meaningful support, be invested. Jennifer is working with us. If you want a chance to engage with us, we're going to come to where you live. If you live in an apartment complex and if you don't, we'll make sure you get to come join us at one of those. We're going to bring some food, break bread with folks. And the reality is we're still building this. We want your input. This will be in the bank center. So we're going to be good neighbors. We went to a tool of painting class, me and my implementation director of Dala last week. We're not very good at painting, but we sure did do all the stuff about painting and trying to think if there's anything. Oh, I would be remiss if I didn't mention tomorrow. We're doing a cup of Joe over at the senior center. Feel free to come over and have some coffee. The other piece I just want to say is this is new and new does not always feel really good. So if you have a question or, you know, hey, what is that guy doing up there? How do I learn more? I want to answer your questions. And sometimes I learn more from people asking the question than trying to answer it. So if you're thinking of something, I want to hear it. You guys have a tremendous amount of wisdom. If I can, if I can, I'd like to learn from some of it to maybe avoid some of my own mistakes. And if you see me walking into a land mine, stop me. So if you see something happen, it would crest it that feels like it's not working for you. I this program is more important than me. So I want to hear from you. I want to get this right. You deserve to have this work. We're going to be the first of these programs to open up in New England. So Amherst is going to be on the map. We're going to be first. We're going to aim to be best. I don't know what best looks like right now, but we're going to dig as deep. The police department here is, I think, one of the best. The fire department here is one of the best. We have a high expectation level to reach. And we might not get there on day one, but I promise we'll keep going till we do. So so that's really this is like I said at the beginning, this is my dream job. I think about this all the time. The last time there was a new public safety department was the fire department in about 1880. So this opportunity doesn't roll around too often. And and I'm I do not forget that. And we're going to people ask, what is the role we'll have with seniors? You'll define that for us. The community will tell us what we need to do. We'll be responsive to that. So glad to answer any questions. And obviously, we're going to be rolling this out. So this won't be the last time you get a chance to ask a question. So does anyone have any questions? Couple hands up and unmute if you do. I do have a one question. You said that there would be 10 people all together, one assistant to you and eight responders. What is the role and what is the title of each responder going to be? Well, the community responders are one role. Initially, there was some thought that we would differentiate them by some would be behavioral health and some would be community responders. Actually, we know from looking at like the fire department, everybody has to be able to do the work when they're on. So it's a little bit more of a generous approach. Those community responders, all of them, their role is to respond to needs that they find in the community to look at disparities. So people who may not otherwise be feeling very connected to the town. And and we're still figuring that out. So the big thing I would say is they're all going to be community responders, but you should know them by name. There's only 10 of us. So the other piece is I wouldn't worry so much about the title. Once we get the people, I'll make sure I bring them around and you get to look them in the eye. Tell me how you feel about them and their background. They would all have similar background. We haven't hired all of them yet, but hopefully not. We were hoping that some of them will have mental health backgrounds. We certainly want some folks to be from this town, because I recognize this town has a very unique perspective, a very interesting background. One of the things we're committed to is really a diversity of views. They're all going to get very intensive training. We have two months of training they're all going to go through. We're going to work very hard in that training. That training is going to be around conflict, de-escalation, nonviolent communication. First aid will be able to do CPR. We'll have defibrillators in our cars. We'll have a lot of the kind of first aid equipment. And some of it is going to be we're going to tour the town, get to know where folks are and how we can be responsive to them. And we're working with Haley on how we can be supportive to folks at the senior center. So some of that will be just if folks come in and one of the things we'll have is two vehicles. So one of the things we've been thinking about is how, you know, if folks need a ride home, could we do that? Could that be an engagement point? We'll be at the library helping to close down the library every day so that the librarians can be librarians. And it also gives us an opportunity to meet those folks. So I don't think we're quite so concrete yet on what it'll look like. We're wanting to be flexible so that we can meet the need. But what you can count on is that they'll be respectful. They'll be knowledgeable in the things that they do. And they'll be curious about what you think we can do better. So you we're going to build this with you also. You tell us what we need to be experts at and we'll work towards it. And I imagine that you will not be responding to people on campus, for instance, as that's separate from town or. So I think right now, I think right now, yes, we haven't actually I haven't met the Amherst, the UMass PD yet. So we'll talk to them. I think with eight folks will really be looking at the kind of town stuff. We'll have our hands full with just that. But we certainly hope to spread the idea. I would say at the start, we'll be working with them. If there are students still living in the community that we can serve kind of our motto is we don't have an age we serve. We don't have a type of person. If someone resides in the borders of Amherst, we'll work with them if they want us to. Are there other questions from anybody? Yeah, where's the cup of Joe? What time? That's a good question. Justina, it's it's eight thirty tomorrow. It's at the bank center. Haley can tell you what room it is, because I've only been there a few times. The town manager will be there. He's a pretty great guy, too. And we will have coffee and I hear pastries, although there are not pastries. I don't want to be blamed for that. It just I wanted to add that both of these programs or departments are a response to a need that the community felt was very important for the town to have. So the community safety working group worked really hard on creating, you know, they were they were the ones that envisioned the DEI department and the Crest Department. And I just think that's really special for folks to know that these two departments are community driven, which means a lot, which means that your opinions and your thoughts and your experiences are very important to us. So I just wanted to add that piece in there. Thank you. And Chad, I see you have a question. Yes, I was wondering exactly two questions in one. If the staff will have any disaster, mental health, training or experience along the same lines, would you advocate for a community resilience center or started to get into the earth changes? And there's going to be some big things happening there. Yeah, Chad, that that actually was one of my specialties at DMH. I was the emergency management director. If you look in my car right now, I have about a 20 pound box of disaster behavioral health training manuals. So we will we will do that. We will work with folks who are recovering from any sort of disaster fire, a natural disaster, whatever, we will be prepared for that. And I am in favor of this town growing resources for folks. I think having a space where people can go. It's obviously so meaningful at the senior center for folks to have a place they can go to feel safe. And so to have that for everyone, I think, is important. But I'm so new to the town. I really want to trust you all. If you think a hub needs to happen, what I can commit to is whatever the town does, we'll support it. So if they if they have a resiliency hub, you can count on Crest being a partner and a support to the folks there, whatever direction they go, you can count on us being a good partner. Jennifer, you got anything I just I forgot to mention that he that Earl had mentioned the community outreach efforts and that we will be going to different neighborhoods and an apartment complexes. And I remember at one point we did this and I believe it was Amherst neighbors that attended, but it was very nice. And it was a good way for folks to intermingle because some people aren't aware that the senior center exists or that it offers the amount of programming that it does or even that Amherst neighbors exist, which is another resource for our seniors. So when we come out with these dates, we'll make sure that we get them to Haley because at the same time that we will be really pushing out Crest, we want it to be all inclusive of all the other town departments because those resources, their resources for folks who aren't connected. And it's so important that people who aren't currently connected know that the resources are available to them. The other thing I just want to add is if invite me over for coffee, I want to sit down with you all and have these long conversations because this is an exciting opportunity. It does not come around that often. We live in exciting times. I want to sit with you and what do you dream Crest can be? Because what I'll commit to you is what we are on day one is not what we'll be in year two. We're going to continue to grow. We're going to start out somewhat limited, but that won't last for long. We're going to keep growing. So if there are things you, like I said, I like to talk. That's one of my favorite things. I'll be at the kind of town counselor meetings that they have in your communities. Any opportunity to meet with you and other folks in this town who have thoughts or opinions, don't just tell. Invite me. I'll be there if you have coffee. That's great, but I can bring my own. OK, thank you so much. And if there are no further questions and we will move along and Haley, we were about to introduce you.  I know I had a little tech difficulty, but my IT department was on it. They came out stat and fixed it right up. So hopefully I need no introduction. You're right, Rose Mary, Senior Services Director. I've been on the job since January of this year. And what I'm most excited about right now is we have so many more programs coming up in May and June and beyond. And I'm really looking forward to having people back at the center. Thank you. And we are looking forward to it to believe me we are. Actually, we bypassed your discussion of some of the activities and programs that are lined up and maybe even your comments about the age dementia friendly project. I'm sorry, I just wanted to say goodbye to everyone and not just exit out. Thanks, Jennifer. And Rose Mary, please feel free to reach out to me if you guys want to move forward with the training. OK? Thank you very much. Thank you. Bye, Jen.


Helo, Graham Head on one of the Edgars of Trustees. Particularly with a couple of the talks. This isn't aimed at any particular person on the panel. There was an emphasis on design and information architecture and getting that right at the highest level. I just wondered if that was a message you wanted to put across or if that was just something that came out naturally from at least two or three of the talks. Anyone want to take that? I think the thing that I've tried to do as Citizens Advice more than anything else is for when we start thinking about anything to be really clear about what is the problem we're trying to solve here. I think some charities are better at it than others but that single shift has made more difference to Citizens Advice than any other over the last two years. So I'd sort of take it slightly out of system design and just say if anyone cannot really precisely answer the question of what problem we're trying to solve when they start doing anything they should stop, work out that and then start again. I concur. As I put on the chart the driver for PSN was that you could predict that things wouldn't work. So we had certainty always that the escalation of cost around the application of new technologies and new ways of communicating, exchanging information and machinery of government changes was inevitably going to break the old model. So once you've defined that that is broken and you have to move to a new model the design of that new model is critical but you have to understand the problem first. I agree with Mike, I think, the lesson from the games is really about, as I said, being very clear up front about what your objectives for a major project are and then what the scope of that project is and then that enables very efficient behaviour throughout a major project life cycle. Adam, do you want to say a quick word? I didn't intend this to be like a panel station. I thought the question was about information architecture. Did I get that wrong? I think my view is always if you can actually truthfully say I know that there is going to be a single version of the truth and I know who needs the truth then you've probably got three quarters of the way towards a design that will work but it's very difficult to get that three quarters of the way there. Okay. I'm going to call it to a halt there. We can have a tea break. I am desperate for a cup of tea. As you can tell by the way I'm stumbling over all my words this afternoon. I'm not doing a very good job. I'm going back in here at ten to four please. Thank you.


YouTube team keep it clean. What's going on? It's engraving here with another video. And in this video, I'm here to share my post game thoughts from the game that we all watched between the Ravens and the Bills and what a game it was. This game, who said the Ravens can't play a complete game? I don't know who said that because yesterday they were sure played a complete game because every side of football, every phase of football, both the coaching, the personnel, the players, everybody helped contribute to that loss. Everybody had their fair share. But we're gonna get into it. I mean, you know what, let's just start because the hot topic has been coaching. Like what happened with coaching? What's going on with coaching? Why are we seeing a lot of the same issues that we've been seeing not only this year, but for years, for years. And it's situational coaching. Situational coaching is very important. Starting with the fourth down. It's four minutes left in the game and the Ravens decided, hey, you know what, we're gonna go for it. They had a long drive. I wanna say it was a 95 yard drive, but I forget, correct me if I'm wrong, but they had a long drive so they get to the goal line. And they try to make it, they can't. I think they gave J.K. Dobbins a handoff. He got stopped. Lamar, he did a scramble. Then he, what was the other play? Was it a pass? What happened? I forgot what happened on the third play because I remember three out of the four plays, but I don't remember that fourth play. But anyway, on fourth down, they decided, you know what, we're gonna go for it. And live, live out watching it, I'm like, I was 50-50 on it. Cause I'm like, oh yeah, they probably should have took the points, but at the same time, I understand why they going for it. I get it. You made it all this way. You don't want to come away with nothing. So I was 50-50 on it. But my guy, Lenny, in real time, he texted me, he's like, why are they going for it? He was like, why are they going for it? Then I replied to him, I said, well, I said, I'm 50-50 on it. I couldn't see both sides, but he was like, no, you take your points. Reason being, and he explained it in the most simple terms, that you take your points because bills get the ball back, then they can't beat you with a field goal. They can't beat you with a field goal. They have, it has to be a touchdown. So I was like, oh, well, okay. Well, that makes too much sense. It literally made too much sense. It's like, oh, okay, I get it. And my guy JT, he texted me too. He's like, in real time as well, he's like, why are they not taking the points? He said, they need to take the points. They need to take their points. I was like, oh, well, yeah. And then they ended up going for it. And Lamar threw the interception. And see, this is where, this is how everybody helped contribute to different parts of this loss. Yeah, so looking back at it for me, they should have took their points, but for a lot of y'all, y'all were like, hey, in real time, a lot of y'all were like, take the points. They should have took the points. And yeah, they should have. And one of the things that stood out to me the most about why they should have taken the points is hindsight, hindsight. With a lot of things, a lot of things in life, you can think, man, oh man, I should have done it this way. I did it that way, but I should have, looking back, I should have done it this way. And oh man, I could have had a lot more success at that. I could have been a lot better at that. But it's easy to do that in hindsight, because you've already been through whatever the experience is, so you've learned from it, but not with the Ravens. Oh no, no, no, no, no, not with the Ravens, because hindsight, not just in this game, but hindsight is from even last year and years prior to that. In clutch situations where it's like, hey, take the points, take your points. Last season, oh man, y'all know how frustrated I was over them two point conversions last season. Ooh, and if you don't, if you weren't here, which is fine, I was very frustrated over them. In real time with those, that wasn't even a hindsight thing for me. In real time, I was like, kick the field goal, just go to overtime, please. But hard balls, nope, we're going for two. We wanna go for two, we wanna go for two. And I just, I did not agree with any of them, man. I really didn't. But they went for it. They went for those two and they didn't get them. They didn't get them. And I just felt like it was just not a good, they weren't good decisions. So it's like, you figure like, all right Ravens, they went through this whole learning experience thing with a depleted team. So it's like, all right, with the healthy team, they will have learned their lesson from last year. But no, they apparently didn't. Now, with the play design itself, we're going for it, and it might not have been the best call, but with the play design itself, it was a well-designed play. It really was. It was designed to get Devon Duvenay opening the back of the end zone, and it did just that. Devon Duvenay was wide open in the back of the end zone. And I know everybody like, man, why didn't Lamar hit him? Why didn't Lamar throw the Duvenay when he was wide open? And Lamar, he got pressure, he got pressure. So that offensive line, while they were holding up, they were holding up a little bit, but then Lamar got pressure. And instead of stepping up, he started back pedaling. Now, my guy, he had pointed out, he's like, man, Lamar should have stepped up in the pocket because the pocket, they were holding up well. But when I watched the replay, I didn't see that. Because to me, it looked like if Lamar would have stepped up in the pocket, it looked like he would have got crushed. It looked like the pocket was just so small and just, it was so narrow and tiny that to me, it looked like he would have got crushed. But who knows, we'll never know. But Lamar, and that's one thing with Lamar, when that pressure really starts getting, and it's been getting to him, he can do a lot of the back pedaling. And the back pedaling, hey, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Yesterday in that game, and on that play, that's where it didn't, it wasn't working. So the offensive line, in my opinion, the blocking wasn't the best, the pressure was getting there. Then that pressure got to Lamar, it started affecting him. So that made his decision-making as far as his footwork, not the best. So he started back pedaling, and then he threw it late to Devon do it. Because he saw Devon do it and he was like, oh, hey, dude, I see you, I got you. Threw it to him, but he threw it too late. Jordan Poyer had time to recover and got his second pick of the game, his second pick of the game, his second pick on Lamar Jackson of the game. And that set up the bills to get a game winning draft. So shout out to them, shout out to their defense. But then there was another coaching decision where, again, it was a complete, everybody played their part. Because on that drive, where, because Ravens only had two timeouts because the Ravens had lost the timeout earlier on in the second half when Lamar, he scrambled on a third and like eight. He scrambled and then put the ball over the first down marker. Everybody was like, I'm like, oh, all right, first down, first down, but the refs were like, no, it was interest, he didn't get it over. I was thinking, what? Really? So hardball challenged it, and I loved that challenge. I had zero problem with that challenge because I'm like, Lamar clearly put the ball over the first down marker and then went out of bounds. But they said no, and then the Ravens lost that challenge, and I was just like, what? So then we got the refs, they contributed to the game too, and we gonna talk about that, but let's finish the coaching first. On the bills, their game went in drive. The clock was getting down. Oh, see, I can't just skip the refs because they had a little involvement too. On that game went in drive, there was a, I forgot what down the distance it was, but well, great play designed by Mike McDaniel, defensive coordinator for the Ravens, sent Brandon Stephens in on a blitz. Brandon Stephens, Josh Allen got the ball away, it was incomplete, but Brandon Stephens hit him, then they called Ruff and the passer. It was such a bad call. It was such a bad call, it was a terrible call. Then they tried to justify it by saying, oh, there was contact to the head and neck area. There was no contact to the head or neck area. It was neither. So that gave the bills a free 15 yards. There was, on Mark Andrews, it was early in the game in the first half. Lamar Jackson hit Mark Andrews, and Mark Andrews went down at the one yard line. Nice play, great throw, great catch, great play. Ravens at the one. Flag, flag, what's the flag? And they said it was offensive pass and offense. And I'm thinking, oh, okay, Ravens must have ran a pick play to help Mark Andrews get open. They showed the replay. Mark Andrews tapped the defensive player on the chest. It wasn't even like a push-off. He tapped him on the chest, and I was like, wow. Like really? And that was a game changer right there. That was such a game-changing play. It was such a game-changing, officiating call. And then another one. It's like, all right, if y'all gonna call that offensive pass and offense, all right, be consistent. Because then there was another call where Ravens, they had the ball, again, and Lamar threw to, I wanna say, DeMarcus Robinson. I forgot who it was. But was it Jordan Poyer? I think it was Poyer, but whoever it was, the Bill's defensive back, they clearly made contact with the receiver early before the ball got there. Clear, and there was no call. I think that was on the third down. There was no call, and there was a clear pass and offense. And I was like, wow, hold up now, come on now. Let the players help determine the outcome, not the refs. And while the refs, they didn't completely determine the outcome, they certainly played their part. And it was a very frustrating part of the game to see. So, with the referees and stuff, there's some little Okie-dokie stuff that happened with that. But back to coaching, because again, I tried to save the refs for a little bit later, but I couldn't get to where I was getting without talking about the refs. But anyway, back to coaching. Now, Hobal did make a good decision. Initially, in real time, I was thinking, like, why? I was thinking, why didn't they just let the Bill score? Because, again, we just talked about, they had two timeouts left. So, they were not in good position as far as stopping the clock. So, since you can't stop the clock, the wise thing to do, let the Bill score. Escort them into the end zone. So, you can give Lamar Jackson and Ravens offense the most time that they can possibly get to try to make this happen, to try to score. And tie the game and go to overtime. But, this way it got very tricky. You saw the Bill's running back on off, it was single-terrier who it was. Bill's running back, he was running.  Bye, see ya. But number 99, Adafi Owe. He came through and he made the tackle. Apparently he was trying to strip the ball, but he made the tackle at the one or two yard line. And that officially ended the game. When we saw Marcus Peters, his frustration, his frustration at John Harbaugh, there was somebody on Twitter. So, I don't know how true it was or not. Somebody that said that they were at the game and they watched Marcus Peters run all up and down the sideline to Harbaugh, yelling at him saying, why didn't we take the points? Why didn't you just take the points? I don't know if that's true or not. I could see it being true, but saying, why didn't you just take the points? Then let us play defense. So, who knows? But Marcus Peters was clearly heated with that sequence of events. Exactly what he was heated at, hey, who knows? Oh, and one of my guys was like, maybe he was heated at Adafi Owe, but him taking it out on John Harbaugh, that was a safer person to take it out on. I said, well, yeah, Adafi Owe, like this big giant. And John Harbaugh just said, well, you little man. So, but now I don't know, man, who knows? But yeah, Adafi Owe, that was a big, big huge mistake, man. Huge mistake. And it's crazy because Adafi Owe had probably one of his most impactful games this year. Yeah, his most impactful game this year. Because he forced a fumble early on on a single-terrier, I think. And I guess he was feeling like, hey, I forced a fumble earlier. Let me just run it back. But it just, oh man, that ended the game. And then he even got the sack with Josh Allen. I forgot who caused pressure. And Josh Allen was like, he ain't seen Adafi Owe. Just reached out that hand, Josh Allen went right into him. Boom, sack. He was like, all right, let's go. And Adafi Owe was on the ground and then he got that sack. So he had a very impactful game, or his most impactful game. And he did miss some plays too. There was another sack that he missed late in the game where he had a couple of times to get Josh Allen. We know Josh Allen, he nice. He nice. So he does a good job of aiding pressure. But Adafi Owe had it. There were just big missed opportunities this game for the Ravens all around. All around. Since I guess we're talking about defense right now, the defense it's like, it's crazy because we always talk about how it's a game of inches.  Every, especially in a close game. Oof, the defense in this game. Started off great. First drive. Josh Allen, what his second pass. Interception. Marlon Humphrey, right plays right time. Interception, he looked super tired running it back. It was so weird. I thought he was gonna tip over and like fall. But he caught the interception. It's like, all right Marlon. All right, let's go hump. Let's get it baby. That set the offense up for, not an easy touchdown, but they was in short field position.  Watch this, shovel pass. J.K. Dobbin, let's get it, touchdown. That's right, all right, let's go. There we go. Then later on, again, yeah, Adafi Owe forced a fumble. He forced a fumble. Ravens got the ball back again. J.K. Dobbins, he ended up getting the touchdown. Then the Ravens, they ended up getting the field goal later on. So early on, the offense was starting off the right way. They even at one point had a 22-3 lead. That defense was doing their thing. And then just slowly everything started falling apart. And you just know that, again, and again, I think one of the biggest moments was the non-pass interference call. That was huge. That was so huge, where they didn't call pass interference on the bills when it was the clear pass interference. Cause it was a big momentum shifter, big momentum shifter. But with the Ravens defense, like this is Josh Allen in the bills. And if you look at the numbers, and even if the final score, you hold the bills to 23 points. The bills, oh man, yeah, you should be good to go. The bills, that passing attack, they got the number one passing team in the league. They held Josh Allen 19 of 36 for 213 yards. One touchdown, one field. He averaged 5.9 yards of pass, a completion. 5.9 yards, man. And then you would think, going into this game, say, hey, Stefan Diggs, oh boy, hey. Cause a lot of us was thinking, ooh, last Devonte Parker went off, 6-4-1-50.  They pulled like 500 yards each. A lot of us was thinking, oh boy, we got Stefan Diggs and Gabe Davis coming to, here we go, here it comes. No, Raven said, no, you're not gonna beat us with those guys. Stefan Diggs had four catchers for 62 yards. Stefan Diggs, one of the best receivers in the league. Four catchers for 62 yards. Devon Singletary was the next highest catcher. Four catchers for 47 yards. Dawson Knox, 3-4-40. Shakir, who came in the game after I think, who got knocked out? Was it Gabe Davis that got knocked out? Or the game? I forget, somebody got knocked out of the game. But he came in, he had two catchers for 23 yards. That slot receiver, Isaiah McKenzie, he had four for 21 and a touchdown. Now, on his touchdown, please watch the replay. I think it was Dawson Knox. It was definitely a tight end. It was clear offensive pass and offense, but it didn't get called. Clear offensive pass and offense, but it did not get called, baby. Again, we not wanna complain about the refs, but when it's blatant, it was a blatant yesterday. It was really bad yesterday. Please watch the replay if you don't know what I'm talking about. Cause initial live, I didn't see it. I didn't see it live. But then I watched the replay of that play this morning. I was like, oh my goodness, yikes. What's going on here? Clear offensive PI, no call, no call. But guess where that happened? Guess what that happened after? That happened after a couple of plays before dropped interception. And this is what we talk about when this an easy drop interception, offense always gets a touchdown afterwards. Always, even though it was a pass and offense on it, but anyway, Patrick Queen. Ooh, Patrick Queen, man. I feel for the guy because he's been struggling, man. Patrick Queen has been struggling because again, like what has been the story of Patrick Queen, he'll be right there around the play, right there around the play, but he's been struggling to finish. He's been struggling to finish. And that's the stuff, man. Cause he's right there, he's so close, but he had just missed. It just dropped like, again, this dropped interception. That would have been huge, huge dropped interception that ends the drive, gets the offense, the ball back, but he dropped it. There was another player, I think on the Josh Allen, the scramble, and Josh Allen, he was the leading Russia. Sound familiar? But he had 11, 11 rushes for 70 yards. So his average per rush was higher than his average per pass. So the Ravens defense, again, they did a good job yesterday overall, but obviously wasn't enough. But Josh Allen on his touchdown, Patrick Queen, he was right there. And he just took a bad angle. He took a bad angle and Josh Allen did the rest. So it's frustrating for us as fans, but I know for him as the actual player, he's in the games. So it's gotta be like way more frustrating for him cause he's right there. He knows he's right there, but he just misses, just misses. So it's, I don't know, man. It's, I do, we said it during this all season that you could tell the Ravens they did not fully believe in Patrick Queen. This is not me saying it that I don't. This is not me saying, no, the Ravens showed, they showed on their end that they do not fully believe in Patrick Queen. Why? Because they brought Josh Bynes back again. Josh Bynes who's been playing for forever, even played back in the Ravens. He was on the Ravens Super Bowl team in 2012. Josh Bynes been playing for a while now, but they brought him back. But before they brought him back, the Ravens heavily, heavily pursued Bobby Wagner, heavily, even often more guaranteed money than the Rams. So this is not coming from a fans perspective. This is from the Ravens perspective. The Ravens showed that they did not fully believe in Patrick Queen from their actions. So it's been tough, it's been tough for him. We keep saying we hope he turns it around cause we do, we really do. Cause again, it's just a matter of finishing the place. If he starts finishing plays, oh boy, the sky is the limit man, but we'll see man. So we'll see. Marlon Humphrey, good day, per usual. He's been doing his thing this year so far. Marlon Humphrey has been playing great football. Marcus Peters, he did get beat up, Steph on Diggs. I remember that was just like third and seven.  And we know Marcus Peters, he's more of a zone guy than a man guy. Marlon Humphrey's more of a man guy than his own guy. But yeah, he got him, he got him. Marcus Peters overall had a good game. Kyle Hamilton, he was quiet this game. Chuck Clark, yeah, he had a rough one. He had a rough one. Marcus Williams, he had another almost pick. So close, it's like every game man, he's always around the ball. But there was one play where Steph on Diggs dropped a touchdown, he was wide open. He dropped a touchdown. When I watched it live, I saw Marcus Peters come in like, hit Steph on Diggs a little late. And I was like, oh, okay, yeah, let's go Marcus. I mean, not Marcus Peters, Marcus Williams. I was like, hey, that's, I said he'd be everywhere. That safety's everywhere. But then they showed the replay. Steph on Diggs just dropped it wide open. And then Marcus, he just came over a little after. But anyway, man, the defense, they did their thing against the number one passing offense. And then, but it's, they struggled against the run though. Well, more so Josh Allen, Josh Allen taking off. That was their biggest thing. Cause the single terrier you had 11 for 49. He averaged four and a half yards of carry, which is straight, but he had a big chunk player, 18 yards. So that kind of boosted his numbers up a lot. And then Mars had three for six. And then his longest was five. So he had two rushes that got him a yard. But anyway, Josh Allen, when he would take off, oh, it was tough because what can you do about that? What can you do about that? You could have everything. And obviously looking at the numbers, they had everything covered well. They had everything covered well. But Josh Allen took off and it's like, what can you do? What can you do? Pass rush. Terrible. It's terrible. It was terrible. It was terrible. We did get a, I feel like he's got that long sack, but pass rush was terrible. Justin Houston, please. I don't know. Again, the deer antler spray. We've been talking about deer antler spray. So you spray it, help you grow and heal fast, please. Tyus Bowser, I hope Tyus Bowser is healthy. Graves need all the help that they can get with the pass rush. The pass rush is so bad. It is so bad. It's really bad. So yeah. Josh Bynes, he had an injury yesterday. He came out the game. I'm not sure what his status is. I guess we'll find that out today in the press conference. But yeah, the pass rush is just, it's bad. So that was that. And yeah, I guess that pretty much sums up the defense. I think if I missed anything, I don't think so, but that was that. So now the offense, the Ravens offense. We talked about them briefly. Again, they started off, they started off hot. Again, the defense set them up nice. Great field position after the Marlon Humphrey pick. Lamar in the offense, they went down the field. Again, the shovel pass for the touchdown, then the next drive they got, JK got the Russian touchdown. They were moving, but we talked about the referee stuff. We talked about the officiating. So we don't need to talk about that no more. But Ravens, Ravens a lot of times, they also like being their own worst enemy. Rashad Bateman, Rashad Bateman, who is projected to be Ravens number one receiver. The drops, the drops. We talked about the drops. We've talked about the drops with Bateman.  And it was raining yesterday. But if you're gonna drop, you gotta make up for it. You gotta make more plays than you miss. That's so important to make more plays than you miss. Yesterday he missed more than he made. And then he got hurt on top of that. So who knows how long he's gonna be out for. I'm sure we'll hear something about that in the press later today too. But yeah, the drops, he dropped. Can't drop like that, man. And it was like, simple, like one drop. I think somebody said, there was one pass that he dropped where he slipped. It was like, okay, cool. I wanna say that was a third down. But anyway, there was a third down. Ran a slant across the middle of the field. He was wide open. It was first down. He had to yack to get a first down and more. Lamar hit him, hit him in stride. Perfect pass, perfect throw. He dropped it. He just dropped it. He dropped it. So then he ended up being on the sideline for the rest of the game. Then he was in the walking boot after the game. So that's never good. So let's see. Then Devon Duvenay. No, a lot of people were talking about what the Rashad Bateman drops. They were like, hey, it's raining, it's raining, it's raining. Devon Duvenay ain't dropped. He ain't dropped the ball. So anyway, Bateman did have three catches for 17 yards, but so did Pat Ricard. That match Pat Ricard's numbers. Pat Ricard called the screen pass. That went for a nice little chunk. He called another pass, where Lamar looked like he was gonna get sacked. I was for sure that was a sack, but Lamar like flicked it to Pat Ricard, he called it. And I don't remember the third pass. Devon Duvenay, he went four for 51. It is so important. The bill showed it. Last week showed it, the Patriots. It's very important that the receivers get involved more. And I don't know if it's a mix of it's stuff being designed for them, them getting open. For Bateman, it's a matter of just making catches. Cause he'd been getting some targets, but he does, he got his drops. He got his drops. Duvenay, he don't drop anything. But it's a matter of getting him more involved. Because yesterday, the bills, excellent defense and excellent game plan, the bills were like, oh, we ain't worried about these Ravens receivers. We're gonna take out Mark Andrews. We know what he can do.  The bills, they did a pretty good job of taking him away. Raven's best target. He had two catches for 15 yards. Two catches for 15 yards. Now, Lamar, Lamar missed him. Mark Andrews hit a nice, he looked like he ran a little out route. Then he went up, it's open, perfect route. Ooh, it was, it was filthy in a good way. Lamar Jackson missed him. Over though, missed him. He can't miss those, man. I know you're not gonna make every single throw, but ooh, that's one that. Oh, you need that. You needed that, needed it bad. But yeah, Lamar missed him. Oh, and speaking of Lamar, on his first interception, I forgot who it was intended for, but Lamar just, he threw away too low. That was all on Lamar. Both of these interceptions, well, the first interception was all on Lamar, cause he just threw away too low. The second interception was on a little mix of people, cause there was pressure and, but Lamar, he started back peddling, right? That's him too. It's a mix of him and the offensive line, but it's him, he's to blame for that one as well. So these were two, two bad interceptions. Two bad interceptions, but especially the first one. Cause the first one, he threw away too low, then that ball went way up in the air and I was like, ah, here we go. Oh, and then they came down with it for you. And I was like, oh man, that sucked. That sucked. But yeah, man, one thing I'm wondering is, if Bateman is out and this, this goes back to my argument, all off season, hey, let's add more. Let's add more for this Ravens offense. Cause everybody like, everybody like, hey, yeah, Brescia Bateman, Brescia Bateman. Hey, I love Brescia Bateman. But another one of my thought processes is what, okay, what if he goes out? Then what, what happens? Cause, and I said it too, during this all off season, I said, you don't want to think about these things. You don't want to think about that, but you have to, especially based off of last season. Last season Ravens lost everybody. So thinking of backup plans, insurance policies, it based off of injury, you got to think about those things. And you want to take care of stuff ahead of time, rather than after the fact. But the Ravens are like, no, no, Bateman, Duvenay, Pro-Sher, then they end up getting the Marcus Robinson. Okay, let's get it. Let's see what these guys got. But now Bateman, we'll see what Bateman, we'll see. Again, today with the presser, we'll see what they say. And then of course, if they don't say much in the presser, then we'll start seeing on Wednesday a practice, if he starts practicing or not. Right now, I'm not expecting that. If he's in the walking boot, I'm expecting him out at least a couple of weeks. Cause I would think that there would probably be like a low ankle sprain, something like that. And that could keep you out a couple of weeks. But hopefully I'm wrong. Hopefully it's just, the walking boot was just extra precautious, extra safe, but we'll see. Cause I don't know. But yeah, Bills, they took Mark Andrews out the game and they said, make somebody else beat us. Nobody else beat them. So, it did that thing. Russian offense, again, talked about Lamar, obviously leading Russia, but J.K. Dobbins, he's continued to look better and better. But he had 13 Russians for 41 yards, average 3.2 yards, a carry. So he couldn't really get jumping. He had, it says as long as for 16 yards. Justice Hill, he's been doing this thing when he gets this opportunity. And he needs more of an opportunity. But he had eight for 45, average 5.6 yards. And he's been explosive, but then he got hurt. And I remember initially when he got hurt, I was thinking, oh man, yeah, he's done for the season. Cause of the way he went down, but then he got up. But then he was limping. I was like, oh man, here we go. So hopefully it's nothing long-term with him, but let's see, hopefully it was just cramps, hopefully. Cause, but the thing that scared me was that he started, he made all them cuts and he was running, but then while he was running, he started like limping a little bit during the run. And I was like, oh man. So we'll see what the status is with him. Again, we'll find out later today in the presser. What else? So yeah, man, that was the Ravens game. Everybody contributed with the offense. Doesn't help when you don't score not a single point in 30 minutes. Doesn't help. Not a single point in 30 minutes. 30 minutes. It's not gonna cut it. Not gonna cut it. Because that's this point. That's points. The Ravens, they've been getting off to these hot starts on offense, hot starts. It's like, hey, let's go, man. But then they kinda slow down. Especially at the crib, they kinda slow down. Second half, they slow down. I think second half in the Dolphins game where they scored three, I think, something like that. But, well, no, maybe it was just the fourth quarter they scored three. I forget, but it's not gonna cut it, man. These teams, they can get hotter than a second. And that allows them to creep back in. And again, there was some other things that will contribute in factors, but offense scoring zero points in the second half, that's no good. It's no good at all. So, we'll see what happens with these Ravens, man. They clearly have plenty to work on. But the good thing is that they two and two. So it's not like this is week 16 or 17 or 18, anything like that. It's like, oh, man, Ravens still going to, hopefully. Hopefully they will start fixing stuff, hopefully. Decision making, execution, blocking, just everything. Hopefully they will start fixing stuff. Cause it wasn't all bad yesterday, but the bad certainly outweighed the good. So, that was that. So shout out to the Beals. These dudes like, man, and I was saying too, the Beals did a little video with Omar's whistle. Then I remember during the live stream, Lamar threw a pass, I think it was for Mark Andrews. Mark Andrews kind of went for it, but the ball got tipped up in the air, and Devon Dove and they came down with it. And I was like, ooh, okay, Dove. And I was like, after that, y'all, there's no way y'all can lose. I said, y'all, y'all not allowed to lose after, after Dove and they made a play like, oh, it was on the Lamar where Lamar, it was supposed to be a sack. He got sacked by two people, but Lamar broke off of both of them, stayed up, scrambled, then threw the ball. It was supposed to be a sack, but it wasn't. And then Dove needed for him to come down with that catch, that tip, tip, toe catch on the sideline, the tip drill catch on the side. I said, oh man, after that, y'all cannot lose this game, man. You're not allowed. But the Raven said, yes we are. We're allowed to lose this game, and we're gonna show you. Anyway, Team Cupid Kling, appreciate y'all. I love y'all, and we out.


from Aaron Boone about that, and more on the manager's report brought to you by Geico. Aaron, why do you think Tanaka struggled at times tonight? I mean, I'm going to have to look at some pitches. With the shadows over there, it's a little tough to have a real good look from the side tonight. They had some really competitive bats against them. I thought it looked like he made some pitches and some big spots to get out of it. I thought we almost had to strike him out, throw him out ahead of the Kiermeier homer. But I'd have to go back and see some of the depth on some of the pitches and where the misses were. You mentioned that at bat in the fourth with Willie Adama set the plate. You thought that was a called third strike? I mean, it looked real close to me. I haven't gone and looked at it yet. Obviously, a big pitch there. And then the homer by Kiermeier really hurt, obviously. You feel like that could have changed the entire complexion? Well, I mean, yeah, of course, strike him out, throw him out. And that spot's obviously a big thing. So especially considering what the next guy did. So we got to get ready for a big one tomorrow. Next one to Dave Lennon. I mean, you guys had played so well. Just what's kind of the feeling with being on the brink of elimination right now? It seemed to turn fast for you guys. You guys had been on such a pretty good role. Well, I mean, look, that's the nature of the postseason. You're going to have some highs and lows along the way and bumps and every loss hurts and stings. But we have a great opportunity in front of us still. And we're in control of things. We've got to go out and try and get a W tomorrow and force this thing to a game five. We'll go to Bruce. Back.  Do you change anything in terms of your approach as manager in terms of the guys and anything that you do in terms of free game discussion? Not so much that. Obviously you're a lot more aggressive from a pitching standpoint tomorrow where there is no tomorrow. So you're going to be aggressive with all your high leverage guys and push them as much as you have to. And hopefully we can hold them down and keep staying in the fight offensively against these guys. Knowing this team and the caliber of your players, how do you expect them to respond? I expect us to respond in a great way. I know they'll be ready to go. I know they'll be excited for the challenge. I know they'll expect to come in here and get a W. Brian Hoke, you have the next question. Aaron, what do you make of the series of Rosa Reina's hat against you? Just how do you get that guy out? Yeah.  There's no question. So we've got to find a way to obviously keep him in check. King Air there, his final at bat, finally got some soft contact from him. But we'll continue to dive in and just try and execute pitches. We've made some mistakes to us, and he hasn't missed them. So we've got to just make sure with him, obviously, a hot hitter right now, you've got to make sure you execute. And I know this is still fresh for you, but do you second-guess the decision not to start Tanaka yesterday? No, no. He was going to start one of these games, and we obviously need to get three wins to move on. So no, not that at all. Dan Martin, you have the next question. The ropes there in the third. And then there was obviously that at that point, where you know you're looking at the two close pitches. What was your view of that at that? And just, did you feel like you got to let them off the hook, just not score more than one run that inning? Yeah, I mean, obviously a great opportunity there. I thought maybe one of those pitches might have been off the plate look like. Yeah, I mean, that's a big opportunity there, where I thought Morton, the first two innings, was kind of cruising, was really dictating some counts. And then we're able to kind of get to him a little bit and create some traffic and a head in the count there. And I thought one of those might have been off. But he made some pitches when he had to there to get out of that inning, obviously.