J. It is always fun visiting with you on your show. I've learned something every time I'm here. Thank you for inviting me And so do I Graphic design, you know, I mean if you're going to do what we do at think deck you got to be interested in graphic design And you are the cats meow. May I say that? I don't know if it's the cats meow or the cats scratch my face. I think it's one of the two But you know, it's interesting that you mentioned graphic design because I look at the picture behind you Why did you put pictures there? Why does it not have text? And the answer is because images communicate and What I've discovered is that a lot of people assume that images are the domain of the graphic artist and only The the highly trained Graphicist can create images and unfortunately, that's damaging to a lot of people including executives and High-tech people who don't understand how to use images to communicate Have you J for instance just to ask your question Have you ever needed to do a fundraising pitch to get people to donate to your August enterprise? why see every do that right and Think about how important it is for people to pay attention and for you to capture the attention of people who aren't paying Attention the first place The audience that you're trying to reach is highly distracted and is looking for every possible reason not to listen to you So what are you going to do to get their attention?  Graphic emitter like me. What do I do to get graphics that can communicate? By realizing that you have access to a lot more design tools than you think and over the next 20 minutes I'm going to give you some specific examples of what you can do to improve the quality of your communication So Jay, here's a question you've just been given the assignment of doing a Fundraising pitch to the business round table in your city.  In fact, if you look at this image here This is a typical PowerPoint slide And you get up there on stage you say, you know two separate independently controlled long-range studies Show an average of 50% growth in positive outcomes for test subjects when compared to the historical baseline And by now the entire audience is asleep. They realize you can't read an English sentence and they've just about passed out You've lost their attention. What happens if you say that? It's exactly the same message It was created using a font called Cooper black a Gradient which can be done in any application that exists on any computer Mac or Windows with a little border on it It's an outbarrow and yet what does this do? It says 50% growth well the very first thing the audience does as it comes back to you It says chain. What are you talking about? I got to get in on 50% growth. They're not reading an English sentence They're looking at a graphic Where did you look first? Did you look at the body text? Probably not Did you look at the headline? Probably not the very first place you looked was the image if you're talking to a distracted audience What you want to do is find a way to cut through that distraction get them off their phones and Get them to pay attention to you as soon as they see that slide The very first thing they're gonna do is they're gonna turn back to you and say Jay I gotta know more tell me what what this is What text could you write? That would equal the emotional power of that fire chief on the scene of a disaster There's not a word you could put down nothing that would equal that Why then do we spend all of our time as we're getting ready to do a PowerPoint slide? Why do we spend all of our time in trying to find ways to put text on the screen when the text is not gonna help us? You pop that up Duck migration. Okay, think tech Hawaii 50% and a picture not of a duck But maybe a you know something that's meaningful a pile of gold coins of a bank statement something but it's a picture and Notice two things number one There's very few words on there and number two it doesn't answer a single question 50% what? Why a duck? Now this would be a biology conference when you're talking about ducks But the very first thing people are gonna do is look at that and say cool They look back at you and say Jay What are you talking about and you with a serious expression lean against the podium and you say with great sincerity? Do you realize? That 50% of the ducks migrating in the spring and the fall are female Well, you don't pay that off in the slide You pay that off in your talk and what you do is you're making yourself the center of attention You're not making the slides the center of attention and everything that you're doing in that slide is cutting through the distraction is cutting through People's trying to get on the phone. They have to keep looking up and say wait a minute What's this slide about because when you think about it your goal in Communicating is to capture the attention of the audience and hold it long enough to deliver your message and Your message is so compelling because you care about it That people say hey, I have to I have to take a part of this. This this is something I need to belong to they unlimber their checkbooks and they give you the contribution or fund your idea or start the company or or Participate in some form. They agree with you because you cut through the chatter and That's what images do. We don't have to be a professional photographer We don't have to understand graphic design. In fact, we can do much better than that we can Leverage the power of emotions to tell the stories that we want to tell For instance here take a look at this slide Together we can create magic Look at that How can you not look at that slide and how can you not come back and look and say Jay that is brilliant? Yes, we can create magic together my organization your funding together the power of the synergy is greater than each of us alone Let's find ways to create magic. I'm not an artist. This is stock art I'm leveraging the power of typefaces I'm leveraging the power of of the way I'm formatted on the screen In fact, if you look at me on the screen, you notice I'm not particularly centered. I'm slightly off-center Why?  You're well-lit Gloriously photographed and I want to start looking at the images behind you because the eye gets bored of stuff that's in the center The eye wants to see what's slightly off-center. So notice that when we're doing an interview show on any name the talk show The host is never perfectly centered. They're always slightly off-center because that balanced but off-center approach Adds I catching interest you have to keep coming back. Why isn't he centered? I look at the background and I say that that background looks kind of interesting interesting colors of yellow and green and brown And let me come back and look at Larry and then my eye leaves Larry and it comes right back again The eye is attracted not to that which is perfectly framed and perfectly centered But which is balanced which is slightly off-center Which means that you keep coming back to who I am you keep coming back to what I look like As opposed to alright, I've seen him done been there done that let me go take a look at that fifth picture in from the left So start to think about what is it that what do I have to do to capture the attention of an audience now here I've got a question for you. You're sitting down.  What's wrong with this image? Give me a minute She's I don't know.  She's looking down not at you I don't know it maybe it does have an emotional impact, but I don't feel it You're gonna hate me when I tell you She doesn't have any legs The way our brains are wired not just yours not just mine But all of us is when we see a picture in the frame We assume that the only thing that's real is that which is inside the frame Just as you looked at that woman and you looked you only saw that which was inside the frame everything else you ignored Well, we can take advantage of that. It's a process called framing We can take advantage of that in terms of how like the way I'm composed now I'm slightly off-center. That's taking advantage of framing because the way your brain works It says the only thing I can see is what's inside the shot with Larry Now if you looked around you'd be seeing some lights and some cameras and some microphones and about 17 different computers and more Technical stuff that I want to talk about with you today But your brain says none of that exists the only thing that exists is that which is inside the frame Now take a look at this picture The instant your eye sees an image and there's no caption. There's no text Your brain starts to invent a story Why is Sarah sad? Why isn't the couple talking to each other? They're clearly somewhere other than the United States because look at that architecture on the other side of the lake And look at how she's dressed She obviously had a falling out Maybe, you know, maybe she was leading a difficult life Maybe she lost a family Whatever it is your brain starts to spin stories and you look at this you say it's a sad picture It's a haunting picture Even without me explaining it you're starting to get an emotional impact back from that image take a look at the next one Does this tug the heart strings right out of you the five-year-old girl waving goodbye to her mom as she leaves for work Oh my goodness how can the mom have the audacity to leave her child And the sadness and the child's face the separation of the child who loves her mom and her mom is leaving her This one brings tears to my eyes every time I see it partly because I know who they are But also the feeling of the young girl she would not let her mom go to work Unless she ran out to wave goodbye in her night dress no less She's trying to hold on to her And notice that your brain starts to create a story Instantly as soon as you see it I'll give you one more example Do you think she's happy She could be smiling and laughing hysterically but notice that we're looking down on her So we've already diminished her because we are looking down like we look down on a child The image is all blues and gray so it's not a warm cheerful color palette We see her from the back so we can't see her face she's alienated from us we are separated from her This is about teen suicide Depression of a broken relationship whatever it is As a parent you want to go over and just give her a hug and say it's going to be okay But notice how that emotion comes right back to you If you were doing a talk and say what we help people do is to identify people that are in trouble And give them a hand I mean think how that image would tell your story without you have to say a word So you were saying do I need to be a graphic artist no you don't have to be a graphic artist You just need to understand the the way that emotions trigger pictures And you were saying that you can get this without being a graphic artist from stock photo houses You know and and we we think tech we have a list of 20 of them But the problem is how do you find Graphics that are like the ones you have been showing us they're powerful How many do you have to go through To achieve that kind of emotional impact it's not easy It isn't but here's a secret don't search by subject search by emotion So when you're searching for something type in the word sad type in the word joyful type in the word happy There's an image that I saw a website that I like which provides free images which are are able to be used at a high quality is pexels P.E.X. E.L.S. pexels.com and I typed in happiness and it was a picture of a pair of elephant seals Elephant seals and the male elephant seal is just smiling huge giant smile you can't see that picture without smiling with it Now when would you type in I want to see a smiling elephant seal on a search you never would But as soon as you search for happiness Maybe you see a dog that's smiling or an elephant seal or a balloon or something that gives that emotion Because now you're looking for that what you really want to convey which is the emotion of your image not the Not a sudden you don't want to say show me a young woman and brown hair. That's no give me the emotion The emotion can be represented in a number of different ways Well it has to be Keywords in that site in pexels for example there's somebody who wrote the word happiness in there Not all not all graphic sites stock photo sites are that good some of them won't have the word happiness You know you'd be surprised at how many do I've gone to get a images. I've gone to shutter stock I've gone to pond 5 I've gone to pexels and all of them have emotional triggers built into many of their images And remember if you've got 5 million images to choose from even if only a million have been categorized That's still more images than you're going to need in your your production Now another couple things If we go back a couple slides go back to that picture of the of the boy in the magic images are magic That slide when the duck there you go perfect that slides designed very specifically I know that by the way that it's designed your eye is going to go to the image first Then it's going to go to the title Then it's going to images that work it's going to go to the body text I can control by the way I do that design I can control where your eye goes for a second third so I can actually tell a story as your eye scans through that slide And the reason is is our brains are hardwired to go through a checklist when we see an image on where to look first And where it looks second and where to look third just like this PowerPoint slide here So let's take come back to me go to the slide that says six priorities and put that on The way that I chose down this checklist is the very first thing the eye looks at is movement Then focus then brighter sorry then different then brighter than bigger in front Since a hundred thousand years ago when we were hunter gatherers if something moved out of the corner of our eye Everything else stopped until we turn to identify that movement can we eat it or is it going to eat us That's so hardwired into us that filmmakers take advantage of that all the time by moving the camera because that movement draws us into the scene Where did your eye go first it went right to the horse not the dust not the trees not the sky not the ground but the moving horse Because our eye says it's moving am I in trouble or do I have breakfast on the hoof so to speak If nothing's moving and for still images we can apply movement but not actually show it the second option is that which is in focus Notice that your eye went to the woman first because although there are dozens of people in the slide Only one person's in focus and you saw her first if everything is still or not moving and if everything is in focus The third option comes into play your eye goes to that which is different There's all kinds of puzzle pieces here but your eye sees the black puzzle piece first because it's different than everything else The rest the slide is white the fourth option if everything is the same is your eye goes to that which is brighter You see the woman in a white t-shirt before you see the woman on the left And before you look past them to realize you're in a wine bar and you start to look at all the furnishings around it If everything else is the same your eye goes to that which is bigger Now here we have a double advantage the woman in in front is both bigger and in focus the background is out of focus But the fact that she's bigger draws our eye before anything else in a shot Then the last criteria is that which is in front We see that which is in front before we look at that which is in back and if you change again We can use multiple ones of these at the same time Here the woman in the front is also brighter. She's also in focus So you have to look at her first have to and then you look at the people behind her the two women over her shoulder Because they're brighter than the two people on the edges I can say you're going to see the woman in the center than the two women behind her than the two people on the edges And 99% of the time that checklist is going to happen exactly the same way with everybody that sees your slides This is all stock footage but now think about that image that I had with the kid Your eye went to that child that had the magic right exactly He's brighter. He's bigger. He's in focus Colorful different meets almost all the checkboxes except not moving and then you go to that which is brighter You go to the together images do magic and an images work You've got that same checklist. Well, this checklist is available to everybody.  I mean what are these would you use these pictures in order to convey an emotional message The ones you've been showing us I'm talking on a network television show right now and I'm using these images I would say yes. I use these images. I use the images in the fire chief I yeah, here's another example Emotions are in more than just images if we skip down through the slides we see a text graphic and they're talking about plumbing The color is exactly the same the point size is exactly the same the words the content is exactly the same But do they have the same emotional context? No The one on top looks like it's made out of spun sugar and likely to dissolve in the next rainstorm The one on the bottom says these pipes are not going anywhere And this is just simply changing a typeface type faces have emotion Which of these two feels more like a keepsake? Colors are the same words are the same contents the same positions the same It's not the same emotion and don't you have access to the typefaces on your computer Can't you use these to evoke the same emotional and now combine the emotion of text with the emotion of your images Which of these two is more fearful? It's tight. It's a typeface. It's something you type with your keyboard and you put into Microsoft Word And yet they don't look the same at all Or how about this one here the text is the same but the background is not Notice how on the left the cleanest room robot against that day glow yellow Your eye sees the background and has to fight off the background to be able to read the words in front And the background is so intense and so bright just sucks your eyes back Whereas on the right the background supports the words the words are easier to read and you read the title With the general background on the right and you have to fight your way off the background The background on the left Or here take a look at this. This is everything you don't want to do Driving down a highway in Nevada. I saw this graphic on the back of a truck There's the name of the company. There's a slogan. There's another slogan. There's a third slogan There's a graphic of a flag. There's a logo and there's a phone number and all of that is wasted All of it first they don't keep their trucks clean so that doesn't help But second there's so much going on that nobody bothered to actually look at this thing on the back of a truck So they spent a fortune to get this designed another fortune to get it printed and put on to the truck and To drive the truck around and all they're doing is wasting money Because they didn't think about well, what do people see first and what are they going to see and if I'm going to put this ad on here Wouldn't it be nice to to hose down the back of the truck every so often the answer is yes Or here take a look at this Which of these shots is the most emotional to you? It's rhetorical It's the exact same image The one on the left is in color the one in the middle is in black and white The one on the right is sepia But they don't have the same emotional resonance The image on the left feels like it's today the image on the the center is sort of like I'm depressed But though the one on the right in sepia is an age old longing for some way of getting out of this existence that I'm in There's not the same emotion at all Or here one more just by the way you position the camera Which of these two shots of the Emphasizes the subject The one where we're looking at the two standing facing each other Pretty boring Or where we move the camera over the shoulder What you find is is that when you have the camera in the center you're showing the geography of where stuff is located But when you move over the shoulder Now we start to get closer into emotions and close ups And look at how much more visually interesting and compelling that picture is on the right Well if you never thought about it you'd take the handshake in the top center because you know it's a handshake That's all I need But now that you're aware of it you'll never take that center shot again because Why why leave all that emotion on the table Or take a look at this Which of these feels happier It's the exact same shot Exactly the same I just cropped it in for a close up Close ups deliver emotions Wide shots deliver geography So I see he's working on a computer He's sitting on the steps But I don't get the same level of joy on the wide shot as I do with the close up So maybe I download the close up But I say I really want to show this guy happy So crop it in so you just see his face Or this one Notice how taking the color away Makes it more Lonely more alienated More on your own Same shot Same framing Same size Colors missing Or this one Remember I was talking about the fact that if something is centered your eye quickly goes away from it Look at how you look at the picture on the left and say ah Stones are centered Your eye instantly goes over the stones on the right And keeps going back to the stones on the right Because it is a much more intriguing shot When it's balanced but off center Then if it's centered Or how about this It's a still image But which one is moving And which one is more interesting to look at And which one keeps your attention Or this one Which one feels scarier Well the one on the left we're looking down at a toy dinosaur The one on the right the toy dinosaur is about to have us for lunch It's simply being aware of the power of images And thinking about what it is that you want to convey When you're doing your presentation Jay and I'm just inventing because I've never heard it And you've never shared it with me But what you want to do is you want to reassure people that you are a reputable organization That you're doing good work That you're worth being supported Which means that you need to convey Solidity, stability, trust And the fact that together we can grow this into something more than it already is So the images that you want to use and the slides you want to put up Should not deafen people with thousands of words It should work on how do I reinforce trust How do I reinforce stability How do I reinforce the fact that I am a reputable honorable man And the people that you're working with are exactly like you That doesn't require writing tomes and putting lots of diagrams on a PowerPoint slide It requires thinking about what your real message is and the real message is I can be trusted I'm worth your fundraising dollar I'm worth you spending time with I'm worth you learning more Because the world will be a better place if together we make this happen And that doesn't require a graphic artist That just requires someone that looks at art from the perspective of What emotion does this convey And how does that emotion rub back on me From typefaces to page layout to selecting images Isn't that cool? Yeah, oh there's so much in there what you've said So let's have a case study So I want to develop a trust relationship I want to demonstrate that I can be trusted That I'm the kind of person that they should send a check to For example in the business context So here I am on pixels or a shot of stock or whatever you have Whatever stock photo opportunities you have What words would you put in to achieve a photo that would have the maximum power I wouldn't necessarily without hearing the whole speech But just hearing that sketch The stuff that I would be talking about would be partnerships People working together People cooperating Handshakes Some discussion perhaps But what you want to do is Is that you really need to have people partner with you To grow your organization It isn't you by yourself and it isn't the team behind you And it isn't just the audience It's your supporters It's your audience It's your team and it's you It gets developed now We can start to talk about cooperation We can talk partnership We can talk mentoring We can talk trust All of these There's lots of images that go with all of those But what we're talking is Is emphasizing the emotion Nobody's going to give you a dime if they don't trust you They won't give anybody a dime if they don't trust you The first thing you have to establish is trust The second you have to is that You're not only trust worthy But people are going to be able to know That their money is going to be well spent That you're going to put that money to good use And you're going to use it to develop Whatever your next project happens to be So they've got to get a sense that you have a vision You know where you're going You know how you need to get there You need resources to make it happen And the only way those resources are going to become available Is for you to be trust worthy Believeable Honest And then from there people say Okay, I'm going to commit this Then they're going to turn to their significant others I'm going to invest $10,000 in this And the significant others are going to say Well, how come? Well, what they've made inside is They've made an emotional decision I trust Jay I'm going to give Jay my money That's an emotional decision Then they're going to turn to their significant other Or their friends or the business associates To think tech Hawaii Because they're a reputable organization They have high ratings They've got good numbers They're going to justify it with logic But the decision is emotional All decisions are emotional Profit never factors into it It's do I believe this person It kind of makes a difference Once you hook them emotionally Then they'll find the reason to justify Why they're doing But the real reason is because they believe you What about the connection Larry Between the graphics and the words There's got to be a connection There's got to be consistent One has to reinforce the other Can you talk about that? I can, but it would take another hour If I can show the last slide About a year and a half ago I wrote a book called Techniques of Visual Persuasion Which answers that exact question And it took me 400 pages to do it Which I don't want to read to you tonight But it's the only book of its kind That I've ever seen Because it's designed for executives It's designed for non-artists To help them understand How they can create powerful images That motivate change What is persuasion? How do we do persuasive writing? How do we design PowerPoint slides? How do we use fonts to express emotion? How do we use colors to express emotion? How do we design PowerPoint slides That do what we want them to do? It covers photography PowerPoint Video production Audio production Motion graphics In one book you won't be a professional In any of these But you'll be sensitive to all of these So that when you talk to your artists Or you talk to your videographers Or you talk to your audio people You understand the decisions they're making And you can help them make better decisions And I have been blown away By the response to this book It's available on Amazon It's published by Peach Pit And it's targeted for Are not the artists But the people who have always viewed artists As mysterious Ethereal creators And all of us can be artists I can't draw a straight line I can't create art But I can take existing art And I can use it for my purposes And benefit from it And that book shows you how to do that You know we live in a world That's online And the communications That ThinkTech and other companies Make are online Of course you have the connection Between the graphic And the text But these days Not that we do this necessarily But these days You can take the same space That you might have reserved earlier For a static graphic And put a short video clip There instead Your thoughts then Is it worth going down that road? You get the benefit there Which do you prefer? Well my recommendations Walk before you run It's easier to come up With a single still image That tells your message Now when you've got video You've got movement And you've got time Two things that you haven't had to deal with before So how do you use the movement How does the animation reinforce your message? And so what you find yourself making Is a whole lot more decisions Than you had to make with a still image So my suggestion is Find an image or set of images That work for you And use those and see if they work There's that picture of the moving horse Express power and change And mastery Whatever it is that you're trying to convey If that does now Substitute the picture of the Moving horse And now with the moving horse Now you can put some text that flies in And you start to watch Because we can track this instantly Watch your clicks Do your clicks go up or down As you put in the video They went down Let's animate some text Went down Let's try a different text Try a different font So you can start to do incremental measurement On an instant by instant basis Like a Super Bowl TV ad Where you're spending $5 million And it's make or break And you don't know until the Super Bowl's over If anybody was watching That's a high risk endeavor For people that really know what they're doing For the people like us That are evolving our message And evolving our communication skills This incremental ability to try it See does it get response Make a change Just one change Change the font Go down Then just keep doing that Until you start to Oh yeah, this works That doesn't work This works, that doesn't work And keep building on that which works And because it's incremental And because it's dirt cheap You know, experiment And then get hourly reports back Or the worst daily reports But be willing to make changes On a daily basis Just maybe a hard question, Larry Is there a relationship Although we haven't We haven't had the time to actually go into it With the text that you're using We've talked about, you know, the font Which is also kind of a graphic, isn't it But what about duration We're talking emotional Emotional capability here We're talking about the human species And the brain How the brain looks for this, that And the other thing As a matter of priority What time do I have Before my time runs out Six seconds We live in an ADD society If you don't have their attention In six seconds you're going to have to work Really hard to get it back again So that's one of the reasons Why we want to keep working with images Because when I pop an image up Your eye goes to that image to check it out Moving or still doesn't make any difference Then you've got to use that image To hook their attention So they can check their phone Because they know Facebook is calling them So one of the reasons We keep using images Is we're trying to break through this ADD Instant gratification And the only way we can do that Aside from jumping on top of the podium And tearing our tie off And making a fool of ourselves Is to use images that have power And to use images as a way Of distracting the distracted audience To bring them back to us So they can pay attention to our message Talking for 40 minutes, 30, 40 minutes And my hope is that I've kept you interested during that whole time But notice that during that time I've had a number of illustrations To explain my point And the illustrations have been To explain the captivating nature Of images and typefaces And colors And you've been looking at it And this is the last takeaway And then we can wrap up Because brains will explode But the reason that you're talking to me The reason that you're talking to me Is not because Larry is a good speaker I'm not a bad speaker But the first thought in your mind Was not that Larry is a good speaker First thought in your mind Is does Larry have anything Interesting to say That will benefit me Dale Carnegie coined this Almost 80 years ago He called it W-I-I-F-M What's in it for me I'm talking 40 minutes or more Talking with me right now Is not because you want to give me My 15 minutes of fame But because you're hoping That by listening to me You can glean something That you can use in your company tomorrow What's in it for me And everyone in your audience Is thinking exactly the same thing If they're still listening It's because there's something in it For them that they can apply In their business Nobody cares what Jay needs except Jay What you've got to do Is what's in it for your audience How did they benefit How did they gain And when you can position your talk From the point of view of What's in it for me Meaning the audience The world's your oyster Because nobody cares what you need Nobody cares what you want Nobody cares how important it is to you That's just a given You make me care You show how I'm going to benefit Man, I'll follow you around For the rest of my life And I will follow you around For the rest of your life, Larry Larry Jordan Every time we talk I feel enriched by the lessons Thank you so much And I hope we can do this again I know you're working on another book I want to talk about that And so many things we couldn't cover today But there will be another time Thank you so much


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If you stop next poly, maybe it's okay. Free poly. If you stop last poly, maybe it's okay. Big damage, big damage. Rapture. This thing, that's PIS actually. DB. I'm dead, I'm dead. Rot them out. Spell your poison. I can actually Coyle. Got it. Can you pull it? You're not playing it right? No I'm playing Coyle. I've played it, I've played it. I have Pyro now. I'm not gonna see as polys than you did. Oh my god, double blink, can you got it?  You see me? I do, I do, I do. I trink this, I'm not gonna see it. Should I see his speeder? I did it. He wants to poly me now, watch out. I'm actually gonna bang this mate. Temp, temp. I can bang this mate. I got him, I have him, I have him. MC Rogal. Double, double kick on me. Pyro healer? Yeah I can clear him, I can clear him. It's actually full. I can stun Rogal, do you want to cast him? Yeah go, go go go. Another one. Holy fuck, how do we win this? One of your teammates got banned right?  Just take him out. It's always somebody else doing it though. Take them out too. Stop them all.    Go healer, healer, healer. Sorry mate. I haven't died yet. Last bit of crane, crane is over, crane is over. Yeah, I'm just hitting stuff. I'm going for Jan, I mean dude, I don't know how to call him. Okay, I'm cleaving everyone. I don't know who you are. I don't mean that. Which one is, okay. I think I managed to save Douglas here. Is it Lee's in? Don't look at me dude, don't look at me. Okay, don't.  I'm okay, I'm okay.   Trying to do it. I love when Dax says it's over.  He's like what? When Dax said. I'm in combat. Might get cheap shot, be ready. Yeah, yeah. Alright, tell him I tell him stuff. I've heard it, I've heard it. Yeah, it's good, it's good, it's good. Maybe we can block. I mean, ding it. Don't move, I still use our mastery. Okay, trick it, I trick it. If you stay away, it's trough him to blind. He wants to blind. I'm running, I'm running, I'm running. Db, he can't blind, he can't blind. If you stop the rough, it's huge. Full rough, it's your wall. Okay, go, go, go, good. Spamming dome in the middle. Dome's up. I was killing so hard. He kills, he still has blind. I still have Trink. Got it, purging, it's off. He wants to blind me so bad. Blind, trinking. We're in a lot of trouble now. Next go is Rip. I can give you Sprinter, Dax. Maybe just go around that pillar, just delay.  Db, poly, full. Straight full, straight full. I'm peeling it, I'm peeling it. Can you stop the re? Got it. Re-sheep, he's getting hodge out. I'll PS. PS now. I have two radians for you. I have to run here dude. Yeah, it's okay. Hold it. Hold it again. I can dispel my root. Do you have Grip ready? I can actually bang him. Paralyze healer, Paralyze healer. I'm gonna, oh go fair, go fair.  Bubble sec, bubble sec. They're gonna hodge you now. You're gonna have to Grip me. He has no step, he has no step. He can't sheep. Can you stop? If you stop, it's so good. Perfect, perfect. Go away now, go away now, this is really good. Yeah, we need root, we need root. We should go aggressive now, right? Yeah, yeah, go. Being done right. He's gonna see us now. Or not, he's dead. He's still f***ing dead. Yeah, I don't know what the f*** he's doing. That was really solid. Positioning this game was literally like perfect. Like that's exactly how I wanted it. That was so f***ing good. The biggest difference too, I swear. Yeah, it was really good. I don't even know if the dome was needed. I just put it to script it up and play it safe. Yeah, I liked how we played that. That was actually really f***ing good. I was listening. Oh, okay. I mean, I think it's helpful. I do think I can get away, but also if I fear the monk or cooldown, it should be okay. They won't have that much pressure on me then, if it sticks. I got combat. Boys, boys, boys. Maybe I should have just done it. Why would he give me combat like that? It's the blind. That's the nature. This is karma. It's you. I'm getting sheeped though. I'm feeling it. I'm in trouble. Okay. I've got a radio. One more time. You're fine now. We're good. Big damage on Rogue now. Evasion, evasion. So much damage. He might die. It's all you. Oh, f***. Wait, he's him. Is he kidding me? Trying to fist it. I have a stun. I'm gripping next kidney. There you go. I kicked that. I'm grounding it too. Stunning. Are you there? Stop grounding. It's in one second. Locking the mage away. Don't get hodged. Watch me. Don't bend those. That chicken picks. I'm healing. We're fine. Hex the mage. It's full. I'm going ham here. One key in. I can do it in 10. I got big heal. I got big heal and kicked him. Stunning both. I only got healer. I used death. Two blinks. I got bubble. I'm feeling. Maybe not. You're fine. Last poly. I'm here. Keep damage. Palace or bubble? Double fifth. One sec for the spell. Last one. I'm still on him. See me. He has blind. Now I'm healing healer. Go for it. He really wants to blind me. Keep rogue in combat. I got big heal. Blind. You're dead. That was so risky for me. That was the move. That was the move.


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All right, happy Thursday, everyone, or Friday. Happy Friday. We have someone from Australia with us. It's wonderful to see people coming from all over for these new member sessions. And first of all, welcome. Welcome to wiki tree. And we, we really do say that these sessions are for new and new ish. Okay, I'm a new ish. There's no statute of limitations on being a new member. It's, you know, whenever, however long you feel like, you know, you need help getting up and going. I've been on wiki tree. First of all, my name is Betsy co, and I've been on wiki tree for about four and a half years now. And I myself went through that learning curve of trying to figure everything out of how to how to get my, my genealogy research that I previously done that was housed on ancestry primarily, and how to get that over to wiki tree accurately and in an immediate way. I was really, I think the thing that drew me in was the dedication of the community to accuracy and sources. I noticed, of course, like many people, I found wiki tree when I was googling an ancestor, and the ancestor had a profile on wiki tree. I saw these research notes and, you know, sort of saying, well, if we can show this, then we'll feel confident about proof. And I just thought that was fantastic. The, the, that level of attention to proof. And then I also just love the richness with which you can tell an ancestor story pictures and the biography and, you know, the memories section and it's, it, I think for me it's it's just been the best way to to to protect my the legacy of my ancestors over time. I've been active. I'm active in a number of projects in Canada, Wales, and Scotland projects. And I'm the coordinator for the newly formed Taiwan project which is part of the global project. And I also serve as a mentor. And I'm one of the, the hosts of the Saturday roundup livecast on Saturday mornings. I know a couple of you attend those. And, and I help on the events committee. So, and we have a couple of experienced wiki trees on the call with us. Denise Jared is here and also Sue Carter.   And that's, you know, obviously would pull me into it as well as that I didn't have to feel like everything was isolated. You know, you build these on maybe your private computer but nobody can share any of that information or the research. So, you know, you're working twice as hard three times as hard to do the same thing that someone else might be doing. So, in my background, for those who don't know, I'm a wiki founder. I actually have experienced wiki is going back 20 years now. And I found wiki tree in 2020 so I'm relatively late to the wiki tree game. But quickly, you know, I did climb the ladder in terms of interacting with the community. So, like Betsy, I am also a member of the events committee as well. We have events coming up, you know, we will talk about those. I also am a part of Germany project, notables project, and then I am the coordinator for the newly formed Tanzania project, which is a part of the global project. I didn't know that Steve, that's so cool. I didn't tell you. Oh, you did not. And next Friday, I will be giving a talk to the Milwaukee County Genealogical Society about wiki tree. That will be on both zoom and in person. And I was hoping that Betsy would be able to review some of that would be tonight after this as well. So, yes, I we will we will get it done before. Okay, all right. So that's me. Excellent. Okay, well, so I have. Based on on things that I read in the G to G post. I have some things just I thought would be helpful to talk about. And I actually should add one thing to the topics. But basically this session is for you. And so we will, you know, just drive the discussion based on your questions. You can feel free to put those in the chat, or just raise a hand. And, and we'll take it from there. Donna has has graciously agreed to let us look at some of her profiles. And that's what we love to do is when you ask us questions. You question. Look at the profile directly. So with that in mind. Okay, and Bonnie, I see your question. Let me just say show one thing before we start in on questions. I'm going to share my screen. Oh, I do kind of respond to it in the chat. And she was. And Steve, you'll, you'll keep an eye on the chat. Yeah. Well, it's gone away now since we've gone to full screen, but I might be able to adjust. So, so one thing that you will get asked a lot about your profile about you as a wiki tree or about any profile that you're working on is, oh, hey, what's the profile ID. And I wanted to make sure that everybody knows how to find that it's very easy. So here I am on, on a person that I've created, not me, obviously. And we have here up at the top. There are two places that you can see his profile ID. One is at the top of this menu. I don't know why it's a little bit. It's not in half, but it says two eight seven four right at the top. The other place you can see it is in the web address. It will just be the last part of the URL. And then the third place is you can go right here. And you can copy the ID. So if you're trying to hyperlink to, to this say this particular profile, then you would just click that. And then the ID would be in, in the clipboard. Denise, you, you have some wisdom to add to that. Oh, no, you, you've got to just fine. Great job. Okay. All right. Thank you. My favorite shortcuts actually. Yeah. I've started using it a lot. And then, for instance, if I were to go to myself, you can do this. Okay.  So here again here it's at the top of this menu list, as well as in. So, Steve, what was, what was the question that was asked in the chat? Well, the first question was, what are projects and I basically answered that they can focus on certain subjects or geographic areas. Those seem to be the largest projects, but some of them are like maintenance projects like, you know, we have people that oversee certain things like the the cemetery or focus on cleaning up profiles. So I understand the focus apart. What do you do?  So they might break down into different types of teams. So like, in the case of Germany project, we can have different people focusing on the different states of Germany, so not focusing on the entire country. And then those people that have the most interest or they have relatives that are, you know, in those areas can be the people that other people turn to for questions, you know, for research.  We can write anything about that can also add more information to, you know, what we have a wiki tree about a given subject. It can goes on and on. I mean, is there a leader that assigns all these tasks or. Right. Or several leaders. Yeah. Yeah, some of the projects. The Taiwan project right now has a mighty three people. So, we just need, you know, one, one, one coordinator, but for instance, the England project is massive. And so they have a leadership team. So, so do you just go to that page and see what's going on. Yeah, so let's go to project. Let's take a look under the find menu, which anyone can, we all have it, you'll have projects. And then, as Steve said, some of them are geographical. So, and these are put alphabetically. And with the geographical projects, I would say, just to be very broad. The goal is to make sure that every profile that falls under the umbrella of that project geographically is the best that it can be. And a lot of the do do week long challenges. For instance, okay, everybody, let's, let's spend the week and let's try and work on this list of profiles from our area that don't have a birth location. Or I know the England project right now is doing something with the Royal Society of Musicians. It's a partnership sort of thing where they are trying to make sure that every person in the Royal Society of Musicians has a wiki tree profile. That it's connected to the big tree and the society in turn has agreed to allow wiki tree to use the images, you know, photographs so that the profiles have photographs. Really, the sky's the limit. Some of the projects do very creative things. In addition to that, some of them may have teams for the connect-a-thon or the source-a-thon. So, you know, the Germany Genies is a sub team of Germany projects. A lot of us that are part of the project that have the time to do the 72-hour marathon and connect profiles or, you know, clean up profiles related to the German people. So, again, that's another approach. Yeah. And we're going to talk about the thons. Steve said connect-a-thon and source-a-thon. We're going to talk about that a little later on. But so as you're going through this list, if you're interested in any particular project, you can just click on it and it will take you to the project page. And then you can find out who are the leaders. Now, the process for joining any project is going to be the same. No matter what the project is, there's going to be a link to a G2G welcome post. And you just click on that. I'll go ahead and do that. And then what you would do is you would answer this post. And then that gets the attention of the France project leaders. And, well, they will be in touch and award you a badge. Thank you. You're welcome. And just, let's see, there are other projects that are not geographically based, like Steve said. One called Remember the Children, which is dedicated to making sure that those who died young are commemorated with the best profile that is possible. And I have a feeling Denise could speak better to the US Black History Project than I can. Denise, would you speak about that? Yes, the US Black Heritage Project would fall under the topical category. We have topical projects as well out there in Wiki Tree and US Black Heritage is one of those topical projects, meaning we're focusing on the specific topic of African Americans. Black Heritage also extends beyond the United States, but for the US Black Heritage Project, we're just focused on what's going on here within the United States. We're also collaborating with and working with, there's a team that is putting together Africa. There's some folks in Australia that are trying to put a team together for the, I don't want to call them African Americans because they're not. They're African descent that have migrated to that country. So there's projects all around the world. And the US projects, United States projects has some sub-projects that's covering a lot of that as well. Global projects is what they call them. Why can I not find USBH? I thought it would be under in the middle section. Is it a sub of the United States? It's a sub-project of the United States, but it's also falling under that topical section. They're in alphabetical order or supposed to be, so you need to do US, so they would be close to the very bottom. Yeah. President's society is it's not there. That's a problem. Yeah. It's not there. Why are you not in the project page? I'm sure we're there. We just have to find it is not recognized correctly. Is it on that page? Where do we look in? Oh, I'm sorry. What I did was I went under the United States. Oh, you did. Okay. So that's something we learned tonight that may be beneficial to break that one out separately for the topical ones in addition to the geographical overlap. You can see that it's not obvious. You have to go through the US project. I still don't know where it is. And, and that is one thing that people say about wiki tree is it can be easy to get lost and hard to find things. My analogy was when I first joined wiki tree was it felt like I had walked into this, this mansion, not even a mansion. I can't like, you know, 200 rooms and I dare to leave the entryway because I thought if I leave, if I go down this hallway, I'll never find my way back. So, but, but explore. At the same time, I mean, we can change it. That's the best thing about the wiki is that, you know, it can be brought to the forward now. Now they probably did it like this because every state has its own sub project, and they may have clustered in. Yeah, there it is US black heritage. There we go. The other ones are on that page, which is weird, like sovereign colonies or the other pages that were in that list, right. Yeah, I'm not sure why that's not on the main project page. So, yeah, there's a there's a video here that was part of our wiki tree day presentation in the fall and usb h is actually doing this really wonderful project ongoing project to document every African American who is situated in the 1880 census. And not just to make sure that they have a wiki tree profile, but that they are linked by family. Yeah, as much as possible. And so I was able to find entries from the census in my the town where I grew up. I am doing my little bit. And it's, it's fascinating, you know, because I'm recognizing location. Yeah, and that will go a long way to to connecting to the main tree as well. Starting with the 1880 census we do that so that we can actually have a family nucleus, the 1870 census there's no guarantee when you see people listed together in the same dwelling. There's no guarantee that they're actually related. So in the 1880 census, we do have documentation of how they are related or connected to the head of household. And then it clearly states their role. Exactly their relationship. Good. And, and just to speak to a broader question, why, why join a project. I think that the projects on wiki tree are one of the best ways to to get to know people in the community. It's it's a big community and a million, a million members. So you have to find your little niche somewhere. And it might as well be folks who share similar research interests. And then also there's the collaborative helpful effect of having a little group of wiki, little corner wiki tree where you hang out and you know people and help each other out. So I highly recommend joining the project or two. Some of some of them have training trails, Canada does England does Scotland does. Yeah, we do as well. We've got what we call the past. Yeah. Yeah. And so that will pair you with a more experienced wiki tree here and generally work through Denise how many do you work through on your on the path. It's really based on what the user needs because we have varying experience levels. Some people are new to brand new to wiki tree. So they take a little more encouraging and stepping through some of the basic skills. And then we have those that have a little bit more experience so we just show them what's necessary to create profiles for slave or slave owners. Because we do some special things in those categories. And the guides are really there just to help each individual based on what their needs are. Yeah. So, I highly, I highly recommend the projects. Well, there we could we could actually easily talk about events and projects the whole time but let's let's look at some profiles. I haven't been looking at the chat while we've been talking. I'm trying to keep up as best I can. All right, thank you Steve. You have some what your specific questions. Can you give us a profile ID that you'd like us to look at. I, I don't I'm just learning how to that number so I'm going to say no I don't have that answer. Okay, are you looking at the profile that you have a question about. I just have your screen up right now I guess I don't know how to have my. Oh, along with yours. So we can follow through on that. Do you know the name of the person and their rough birth year. Yes. Okay, so let's let's show everybody how to do a search which is a valuable thing. You can either do it from the home page or the top of any page. So, okay, Mona, go ahead. Jim Connelly. Okay. See oh and then. Well, I have, I have just one in. Okay. Okay. Two else. I only have one. Okay. You know, in many ways, I don't know that I have a correct spelling. Okay. So I have C O N E L. I have C O N L E Y. Oh, okay. Okay, Connelly. All right, so we're going to search now. Click the little magnifying glass. Now, I do have his birth date. Okay, so let me show you see now we have a somewhat large number of hits. What you're going to what I'm going to do is I'm going to sort these by birthday. I'm going to put those in chronological order. And then Mona, what's what's the birth year. 1883 Dublin, Ireland. Okay, going down. Let's go on to the next page. Yes. 1883. I have this on a census record and that's another one of my questions. Okay. So while you're looking, I will ask so. I have everything on paper and I'm just now adding in. Because of that, I don't have hyperlinks to reference material. Which I understand, of course, is extremely important to verify. So if I just put like, you know, 1850 census, is that okay? We need to have a URL. Yeah, you, it would be best. It would be best to, to, to find that find it on family search. And it's not, it's not that hard to do. Just a copy and paste it in. Yeah, yeah, we can, we can work through an example. So now here I've got colleagues. I don't see anyone in Dublin. I do have his wife's name. Okay. I don't, it's, you know, I can't pair it. You do recognize any of these names here? No, no. And in the profile does exist on wiki tree. Yes, I have it on my tree. Okay. It's your, your, you're the profile manager. Correct. Okay. Let me just let me. If we want to take another question, actually. Murray Murray came in. As far as you. Yeah. I was thinking that we had some questions about DNA.  Find the profile from your watch list. And then we can look at it again. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. You okay to talk. Talk to you. I am. Everyone, this is Mary. Hello, everyone. Gene, would you be able to mute yourself? I'm getting a lot of background on yours. Thank you. Thank you. Hi, everyone. Hi, Lori. So I do a lot of work with, with DNA and DNA. Confirmations and trying to find stuff and like that. So obviously people have lots of questions about DNA. So. Where do you want to start? Can I ask one? Please. Obviously you don't do the testing on wiki tree. So if you've done the testing somewhere else. Yep. How, how do you integrate that anywhere here in wiki tree? Let me show you.  There you go. Okay. And let's see where is my. Just want safari. Oh, there we go. So I'm screen sharing. So I'm going to go to my own profile. Now. The thing about DNA. On wiki tree is. You can only do your own. So once you've taken a test. Then you want to go to the ad menu. And it says add DNA. And so. You go there and it's going to say, okay, DNA tests.  Yours will be empty. If you haven't done it yet, right? But we're going to, we're going to pretend that. All those aren't there and we're going to say, okay, there's, there's what you would get if you were just starting fresh. Okay. And what you want to do is.  Which DNA tests you've taken. And so the first thing to do is you want to tell us tell us what company. So I assume. Most people. Have done an ancestry test. That's the starting point for most people. And so. When you do, when you do this, so you're going to say you've done an ancestry DNA test. And you want to enter your. Your, your, your name as it occurs in. An ancestry. And so for me, it's most 17. And. I do happen to have a G. D. Match number. I don't remember it off the top of my head. So I'm not going to enter it right now. But basically. That's the data that you want to for ancestry. That's the data you want to have. You just want to say, I've done an ancestry DNA test. There's my name on ancestry. And then add the test. Just press that button. And it'll, it'll then compute and within 24 hours. That information will be propagated out to your parents. And your great, great grandparents, etc. And it'll just propagate up the tree so that you'll see your name on lots of places where. You know, you have potential matches. So that's for the ancestry DNA one. The other most common one. That, that people do. Is FT DNA. And there's, there's three kinds of tests. You can take it FT DNA. So you've got the. Yeah, there it is. So family tree, the family finder. So that's your basic DNA test. And that's where you, where you compare autosomal. DNA. And. And so. If you've got, if you've done it. Test it at family tree. It's comparable to the one that you've done at ancestry. The other thing that you can do, just in case you don't know this, if you've done a test at ancestry, you can download. The results of your test. As a file. And you can later upload that to family tree. To my heritage or to. Sorry, what's your name? Three and the. GD match. Oh, okay. Yeah. So there's the common places where you would upload your DNA. So anyway, so I, so I could say that I was at that. I have a kit at family tree. A family finder kit. And it would want my number. So I happen to know that my. It is. I am. Geez, no, I don't remember it. I know somebody else's though. So I'm just going to put hers in. That's one of my cousins. And again, I could put in, I could put in the GD match number. So that you'd be able to find. And again, you just hit add test. And now that's added. So then the next one. It will do mitochondrial. So with a mitochondrial. When you, when you do a DNA test. A mitochondrial DNA test, you get. Part of your result is a haplo group. And we want you to tell us what that is. So, for example, my. Mine is H minus G. One, three, seven, eight, nine. I think it is. So that's, that's my. MTD and a haplo group. And it's going to want to know what kind of tests that I take. So there's, there's, there's three kinds of tests. HBR one, HBR two and full sequence. And I think these days. Nobody's really doing the HBR one and HBR two tests. Those were, those were tests that were done. You know, five years ago and before that people, people had the options to do those tests, but I don't even think that option is available anymore. So anyway, you tell that you've done a full sequence test. And if you happen to have copied your DNA over to mito Y DNA, you can put the ID there. But if you haven't, that's okay, you don't need to worry about that. And again, you hit add test. And then. And then we could do a Y chromosome test. So here I'm an R minus. Yeah, our, our minus. And two, six, nine, I think of mine. Hey, that's mine. Same as yours. I don't know, but certainly Irish or Germanic. Yes. So I had, I tested for 111 markers. And there's lots of different tests. So you can test for, you know, 39 or 67. Anyway, there's, there's a variety of different tests that you can do. And of course, each of those tests, it increases in cost. The standard, the new standard test is doing the Y 700. I've done the, I've done the Y 111. I haven't done the Y 700 yet, but my cousin has. So we know what our family group is at the Y 700 level. Again, with the mito Y DNA. Right, you want to put that information in if you've done it, but if you haven't, then don't, don't worry about that. It's not, not nothing you have to do. So this is how you entered the information. So now let me show you what happens.  My computer is running slower than. And I wanted to clarify if people are asking what mito Y DNA is again, that's another website. Like get match that will focus on just the Y and the mitochondrial. So again, Y is for your father's father's father. And mitochondrial is for your mother's mother's mother. So those go off in those two different directions. And then autosomal will cover the entire spectrum of all of your genetic information that's coming out. So hopefully that clarifies what we're talking about here, the different types of DNA. Thank you. No problem. So, so what I end up with after I've entered my DNA information, is you can see that my DNA connections list. There's me. There's my, my 111 markers. My haplo group RM 269. Well, there's my kit number. And I happen to have copied over to mito Y DNA. And my cousins Eddie and Nick. I've also done theirs. And they've copied theirs to mito Y DNA. And I've also done theirs to mito Y DNA. On the mitochondrial side, I'm the only one in this family group who has done an empty DNA test. And then here I am in the autosomal. And I'm showing my ancestry DNA tests. Where my kit number at GD match. My, my ancestry member name, my family tree DNA family finder. And I've also, yeah, so I've got, and then there's my cousin, Janice. She's my first cousin once removed. And she did her tests. And so now if I, if I now go up my tree. Let's start with my dad. And we'll go. Oh, see now I got to my dad's tree and we've already added. Kathy brochette. Kathy's a cousin of mine. But she's a little further distant than Janice is. But her DNA reaches as far as my father. So she would have had it. She would have been a DNA match with my father. If they had, if my father had tested, they might have found a match. But then again, maybe not. Right. It's not certain that you're going to match with somebody just because they have the potential to match. And now I've moved up to my grandfather. And you can see now that I've added a couple of more people to the list. So I'm going to go to Belinda and she's a cousin who lives here in town. And then Marcel. And I've never met Marcel. I don't know who he is, but now say I'm able to go and look in my DNA matches. Do I have DNA matches with Belinda and Marcel? Did that, did that answer your question? Yes. Sorry, I was muted. It does, it does answer my question about how to enter it. You said I could only enter the DNA information, the DNA test for myself. Yes. Okay. So go ahead. Well, let me, so let me explain that. So, so basically every profile for a living person on wiki tree has to be owned by that person. Their email. Okay.  If you add the profile of a living person, let's say your sister or your brother or somebody like that. Okay. Okay. Let's, let's, let's use my 93 year old mother-in-law as an example. Okay. So your, your, your mother-in-law. So you've had, let's say you add that, add your mother-in-law onto wiki tree and, um, but she hasn't joined herself. You just added to the tree. Okay. Correct. Now that, that profile is now visible to you, but it's not visible to anybody else. That's a private profile. Okay. That's hidden from the rest of the world. But it's, but it's on the term is unlisted. Because she's living, because she's living. Correct. Yeah. Now, now you can assign her profile to her. Assuming that she has an email address. Which she may not. And what you do is you go down. Let me just get in here. Oh no, she, he's dead. That's why it's not there. Never mind. I would have to do it on a living person. And of course that would expose the living person. So I better not do that. Basically. When you go into edit at the, at the bottom of the data entry, you'll see a place where you can enter the email, email address of a living person. And once you do that. Yes. And yet edit field. In fact, I'll show you mine. I'm not sure. I'm following along on my computer. Okay. So. So as a result, you know, that. That profile that you've created for your mother-in-law. That's not her profile. She doesn't own it. You do. You don't have permission to add her DNA information to that. Now you may, you may have a conversation with your mother.  She may give you permission. She may even send you an email. She may get have her lawyer. Send you a notice saying that you have permission. But on wiki tree. That means nothing. Okay. And wiki tree. You can, you can add the. You can add your own information. Now I do understand that it is possible. To add DNA information for other people under certain circumstances. And I'm guessing. That Steven knows what those circumstances are. Do you? Well, one of the questions that just popped up is if Hannah was asking, can she add the DNA test information for her to see his parents? They're already dead. Can she add the information for them? And, and. So. I don't know. I believe, I believe that I've been told, yes. But I don't, I don't find myself in that situation. I don't find myself in that situation. I don't find myself in that situation. But I don't, I don't find myself in that situation. So I've never. Had to exercise that. Yeah. But, but yes, I've seen various places on this board, I think, where, you know, yes, you can do that. But I don't know what the circumstances are. So. You might have to ask wiki tree team for permission to. Go through that route potentially. Maybe. You know, because they may be able to override something, but, but again, it's not a standard. It's not a usual situation. You would usually have your DNA uploaded for yourself. You would just lose one step of data. But yeah, I mean, that's something to ask wiki tree team. Okay. I, you know what I'll do, I promise that I'll find out this week. And on our next session, I will know the answer to that. Awesome. How secure is the DNA that you upload. So you never upload any DNA. So you, you saw that all you did there was.  And what the ID of your kid is. This is the actual test. Sorry, Murray. No, go ahead. What are you uploading? You're not uploading anything. You don't, you never upload anything. So Bonnie, you're creating a link from another site. So the third party sites that do receive the information would be either a Mido Y DNA for again, the, the Y DNA or the mitochondrial DNA, or again match, which would be for your autosomal DNA. So again, you can access those tests when you log in. And the only people that would really be able to see it are those people that match pretty close to you. Yeah. You know, so, so the people that are looking at it should be the people who are also doing genealogy research. And then in order to tie it to wiki tree, the data is not, you know, out there in the open, but we can still connect those dots and we can figure out who our cousins are for those conditions. Does that make sense? Yeah. Thank you. So the, the uploads I was speaking of earlier that those are, you know, if you've done a test at, at ancestry or family tree, and I believe maybe even my heritage, you're, you're generally able to download your, your, your, your, your result from there and upload it to the other sites. Right. So you might, you might download it from ancestry and upload it to GED match. You might download it from ancestry and upload it to my heritage or, or to FT DNA. Now what, so what, why would you do that? And the answer is there's different populations in each of those, in each of those sites.  So, you know, if you're trying to find a DNA match, the best bet is to take a test at, at ancestry. However, there's a lot more Europeans on my heritage. Well, when I say there's a lot more Europeans, there's a lot of Europeans on my heritage that I don't find on ancestry. On family tree, you find people who have done mitochondrial and YDNA tests and they, they, they thought, what the heck, I might as well do an autosomal test too. Right. So you, so you can go to each of these sites to find matches and then you come back to WikiTree and say, I wonder where they are on WikiTree. And sometimes they'll even tell you, they'll leave a, leave a marker to say, you know, here's my WikiTree so you can find my tree. Not everybody does that. Another fun feature on WikiTree is if you want to quickly identify your cousins, we have a button and it's called my cousins. And that could be a very quick way to identify who those people are you share DNA with.  Pulling it up right now, actually. So there's, there's, there's the list of cousins for me. And I just, I just went here and here. And we only added that in what the last two years. It's a relatively new feature. So in that my WikiTree menu. Yep. There's a choice that says family tree. Yes. And I'm, I'm putting in profiles regularly. And I kind of expected that family tree to populate with the profiles that I'm putting in, but it's not doing that. I have to go in there and manually add people. Is, am I doing something wrong? Well, so, so let's, let's talk about what you just said. You've been adding profiles. Yeah. And so, for example, you added your parents and your grandparents, right? Right. And you're saying you can't, you don't see them. In the tree. That's right. I've got my parents, some of them showed up, but like my great grandparents aren't showing up. And I don't know what's going on. You said that you were doing a get a com upload as well. Bonnie. Yeah. And I, I know I've gotten through. Dad come grandparents and stuff like that. Okay. So let's, let's, let's review the sort of the steps that you need to do to make, to build your tree. Okay. So there, there's my tree. Okay. There's my dad. And my mom. And his parents and her parents. And the grandparents, et cetera. Right. See how they're all connected. So let's look at what it took to do that. So first I created my profile. And then I created profiles for each of my parents. And I had, then I had to, on my profile, I had to tell wiki tree who these people were. Right. So it, you know, usually that says add parent. If you haven't filled it in. And so as you're moving up. So let's, let's use my mom as an example. In fact, let's, let's use her. Her mother. And her mother. Now we don't know who dots as parents were. So you can see here that it says daughter of father and mother. And we don't know who they are. Okay. That's. So I, I haven't created profiles for those two people. And I haven't attached them because I haven't created them. Right. But if we go back. You'll see that. My, my grandmother has two parents. So those are two profiles that I created and I attached. So there's, there's two steps involved, right? You have to first, you have to create a profile for the person that you want to add. And you've got to add them. Now, sometimes you do that in a single step. Right. You use, for example, let's go, let's go ahead back to Dotsa. And so if I wanted to add a father, I could, I could go here and say add new person. And then come back and, and, and give it an ID. Or I can go here and say create a new profile. Right. And so if I create a new profile, it's going to take me to the whole process of creating a new person. But if I say connect to an existing profile, then if I've created a profile out of band, I can now say, okay, I know the ID for the, the person I want to add as, as her father. So I'm just going to put in that ID and I'm just going to make one up right now. Actually, I'm just going to make it me. Oops. That way you can see what it does. So it's a grandfather paradox, Murray. Yeah, I know. But anyway, so, so the point is that I can type in an ID here and it shows me who that is. So just so I can verify that I've got the right person. And then I can say, okay, continue. I'm going to add, I'm going to add Murray as, as the, as the father of, of his own grand, great grandmother. Yeah. Right. Please don't do that. So I guess I think I've done all of those things, but I'll just have to figure it out. So, okay. So, so let me go back to me. So I'm going to go back to me here. And so when I'm on my profile, what I typically do is I go to this button here, ancestors. You can, you can use that, that family tree button, but this is, this gets you to the same place. Okay. So there's my ancestors. Maybe we should go to hers and see what is showing up because if she's not connected to the parents, then we need to still make those connections. What's your, what's your ID? H-I-L-L-E-R, like Hillary. Yeah. Yeah. One, two, five, six. That's cool. I think a lot more of those, honestly. Okay. And you've got your parents attached. And let's see what you got here. There's your tree. You're all right. Hmm. Oh, wow. Maybe it takes a while to populate. Oh, would you, were you within the 24 hours? I might have been. Okay. Cause it may take 24 hours to make certain connections, especially if you're doing JEDCOM. I don't know. I don't know. Okay. Cause it may take 24 hours to make certain connections, especially if you're doing JEDCOM confirmation. Is this all the farther it goes? Oh, no. Continue on with the little buttons on the side. Oh, I see. Your, your Hiller line continues. Let's see. Burton Berg. Your Hiller line goes back to 1753. So far. So far. Yes. And I have ancestors from, from, uh, from. I, uh, bottom Burton Berg. Wow. I think a lot of us do. Yeah. A lot of these places are looking familiar to me. Cause I have a lot of German heritage. Yeah. West German, uh, West precious showing up there in the bottom as well. Yeah. Are you, are you aware that there are other ways to look at your tree? Um, Oh, you mean the orientation? Oh. So here, for example, is the super tree. Oh gosh. Is your computer going to be able to handle that Murray? I think we're okay. Steve, I, I, I closed down the discord. So I think we're okay. Oh yeah. Discord does lag me a lot. Yeah. Yeah. So here, so here's the super tree. And so there you are. And we can increase the number of generations. Of ancestors and takes a little while because it's retrieving a lot of information. It's not just your direct ancestors that it's retrieving. Okay. And I can keep going if I want. Um, so that's one way. And then another way. Is the fan chart. Oh yes. And again, you can add, add as many generations. I think it goes up to seven. Seven. Yeah. Wow. And there's lots of cool to get the 10 actually. Oh, is it 10? I think I can get the 10. Yeah. Very tiny. Plus, if you have some pedigree collapse, you can actually identify those in this fan chart as well. Yeah. Pedigree collapse again is where some of your ancestors may be interbearing into each other. Also knows incest. So sometimes it happens in very deep families when you go back to the 1700s and 1600s. And the areas are people are not moving around as much. So. Yeah, in fact, I can demonstrate that. No, I'd have to go too far back. I love all the photos that are on here. Yeah. I don't have any photos. Yeah, we can't. No, I'd have to go too far back for you to see the endogamy. Yeah. So endogamy or pedigree collapse is when, when you go back far enough in your tree and you find that your grandparents on one line are the same as your grandparents on another line. Yeah. Sometimes, sometimes it can be, you know, like, you know, six or eight generations back. Royal Alliance and a Tennessee to do this. Right. And founder population. So especially, you know, 1600s in New England and 16 to 1700s in Quebec. The great American bottleneck, I like to call it. They just weren't, they weren't moving around. They're all in Connecticut, Massachusetts, Rhode Island. And that was before we started expanding Westward. Yeah. And then the other thing, just with respect to DNA, I should have done that just to help you see things with DNA. Your fan chart tool is pretty handy because it's got a feature here where you can show your X, Y and M T DNA inheritance paths, or you can just, you can focus on one in particular. So I'm just going to, I'm going to go with the group. Skip the ancestors. We're going to close that and just add a generation. And so you can see that on me, you got a Y and X and an M T showing. Okay. Now on my mother, you got an X and an M T showing. And on my father, you got a Y show. And the Y travels up the paternal path. And the M T travels up the maternal path. And then you can see that the X, I don't get any X from my father's side because I'm a guy. So I get X's from my mother's side, whereas women get it from both sides. So for example, Dina got X from her mother and her father. But Petra only got X from his mother. And I of course only got X from my mother. But you can see how the, how the, the DNA is inherited here. And this is especially helpful if you're trying to figure out an X DNA match, which in theory sounds really great. But I've never encountered an X DNA match except with my brother. And so none of this was really very helpful to me. But if you're one of the rare few who gets into that snaggle with an X DNA match, then, then this is a useful tool for you because as you can see the X DNA inheritance is kind of weird compared to the other, other forms of DNA. So these sort of, yes, yes. I noticed that it's nine o'clock already and I filled most of your time with DNA talks. So I just wanted to make sure that. That's okay. We will go just a little while longer. I'll limit it to two things. And I will say that there were so many fantastic questions tonight. And if we didn't get you to the answer you needed, please reach out to me or Steve. I can answer a couple of the things from the chat. So Mona's asking, can you print those charts out? Yes. They should be printable. Yes. Let's see here. How do you attach a profile? I think we showed that earlier tonight. I don't know where. Go ahead. What was that Mona? Murray, can I take over the screen? Yes, please. Yes. Okay. There you go. Okay. Thank you. So I just want to show you all that. When, when you want to reach an individual member. If you want to send me a private message, you can send me a private message. And I said, I'm happy to help you. And I put my profile ID in there. So you would just go to my profile. And then. Scroll down to this box. And then you'll see that you can send me a private message. So that's how you would, I mean, that's one of several ways. I mean, you could also apply to the G to G poster. But this is like a quick way to get directly to, to the G poster. Okay. Now I saw that Chris, Chris Wine had put in the chat about. Let's see, I need the chat because I want to put a link in there. Let's see where's, where's the chat? I found it. Okay. So I did a. A cheat sheet. And there's the link. And this is, there's no magic here.  So Chris was asking about how to cite a book. And I'm going to assume, well, I mean, but many books that we cite are online on internet archives, Google books, et cetera. But we may be citing from, you know, physical paper books as well. Oh, you know what this is? These are both for digital copies. But I have, so there are two examples of how to cite digital books. I will say that wiki tree likes Chicago style. So if you just Google Chicago style book citation, it's a very simple little template. You probably remember it from high school papers, you know, where you put the author's name and the book title, the publisher location, the publisher and the, the data publication and the page number. Boom, you're done. And if it's not perfect, that's okay. The main thing is that somebody be able to get to the same information. Yeah, Murray, what were you going to say? I was, that's what I was going to say. You know, there's AAP. There's, there's Chicago style. There's all kinds of different styles of writing a citation. The most important thing is that you write a citation. Somebody may come along later and rewrite your citation. And you should be happy about that because they've improved it. But, but the most important thing is that you get a citation in there so that somebody else can figure it out. And if it's not perfect, don't worry about it. I'm a librarian and I know that online you can find citation generators. Yes. You just plug in the information and it pops out a citation that you can copy and paste. Wow. And we have a tool for that. Yeah. I wish they had that and what we have sourcer, which would, would that work for a book? Yes. I mean, that's okay. It works on, it works on Google books anyway. And he's also added a tool so that you can create a citation from scratch. It just gives you all the fields and you just fill in the fields that are appropriate. Yeah. The way you go. So what we're talking about is a free browser extension that I highly recommend. It will help you search for sources. And then it will help generate a citation for sources in an extremely painless manner. So it's, it's marvelous. So the help page that I just put up there will give you all the instructions on how to find it added to your. Yes. I like it. I love it. I love it. It is, it's making my whole place a lot better. Yeah. A lot easier to do my sort of profiles. All the different events that we have all the funds and so forth. Oh, I love it. Thank you. Thank you, Marie. Great user review. Can we use that? And just since and brought up funds. I'd like to close with talking about a brand new thawing team, especially for new members.   We have two kinds of thawing. One is a source of thawing where we, we go to profiles that don't have any sources and we, we add a source. But the more frequent kind of thawing is connect a thawing. And that is what's coming up the weekend of April 12 through 15. And the goal of the new team is it's about learning and camaraderie, camaraderie, not high scores. So I as the captain, I don't care if you only do one profile the whole weekend. If you learn from it and you feel good about it, then that that's a win. So we're going to offer extra support for the members of the new team. So that to that point, there's going to be a zoom to get organized the week before the thawing. So the Thursday before the actual event. And then we'll also have a mid thawing hangout. The goal of connect a thawing is to add to existing profiles. So say your grandparents are already on wiki tree. So you can add on to them by adding their parents, or adding their siblings, the spouses of their siblings, and so on just just building out the tree. And if you were to think about it from a point standpoint, each profile you add gets you one. But we're not we're not going to worry about that at all. We're going to talk about how, how do you find that starting point. How do you add new profiles to put to an existing one. How to find sources. How to add a photo. If you have one categorization and what that is and why it's helpful in your profile. Yeah. Again, how to collaborate with your teammates. We're going to use the two big platforms that wiki tree uses, which are discord discord is a live chat platform it's it's all free and very, very user friendly and fun. And of course G to G, which because you're all here. I know you know what G to G is. So, if you want to sign up and I hope you do because besides, I haven't caught up with the registrations, but we have, I think, two more people and we have some experienced wiki players who have volunteered to help out. But let me put the, the, the join link in there. So let's take a quick. No, quick look at that. Oh, thank you. I got it. I got that from a win. Just perfect. So there is the G to G post I just put it in the chat. And when you go to that, you're going to see all these different teams. So you go. Well, you'll, you'll look for an answer that is new team. They're all alphabetical. And then you just answer, you just comment on the new answer and just say, I want to join and then I'll take care of the rest. Yeah. Yeah. Hey. Any other, any other questions. Mona, I will say I, I looked on your watch list, and I found, I found a different Conley. I did not, I found Kate Conley. I did not find Jim Conley on your watch list. Is Kate related to Jim? Well, maybe. I'm guessing. Yes. Can you hear me? Yes. Yes. Kate is his daughter. Okay, Kate is his daughter. I'm just stuck. I can't go back any farther from him. I have his wife, and I cannot go back any farther on her either. Okay, so it looks like you haven't added either Jim or his wife. You see, it says father and known mother unknown. So you haven't, you may, I'm sure you have the research on another place, but they're not on wiki tree. Well, they're not connected on wiki tree. We don't know whether she, she may have created the profiles and hasn't connected them yet. Okay. Yeah. So if you want to, if you want to, you know, send, send me some questions, I'll do my best to help. Okay, I appreciate that. Thank you. Sure. Sure. All right. Well, we have another of these coming up on Sunday. March 24. Right Sunday, March 24. Yes. At 11. Okay. So I'm going to start in the morning. Eastern daylight time. I believe that's three PM UTC. And please come back. And well, if we didn't get to your question, we can get to it Sunday or in the meantime, if you can't wait, send, send, send a message. And keep wicking, treating on. Thank you so much. Thank you for attending everyone. You're welcome. Take care. Thank you.


Thank you. Tell us about the tour you're about to take with Ginny from Hasbro. What's the mission of the tour and what are you going to be seeing? The mission of the tour today will be to focus on the future of play. We'll be seeing how technology is changing the way we play, how much we play, and how esports and gaming is really going to change the way we talk to our consumers. Ginny, your mission as a marketer from Hasbro, the future of play, it's a huge topic. Absolutely. Something we're very passionate about clearly. Really fun and there was a lot going into it. So what are you really looking for in terms of innovation and platforms and technology that's going to really help you market your products to the consumers in 19 and beyond? The framework that I use for evaluating technology for Hasbro really is how can it amplify and enhance what our core strengths. And for me, there's two things that Hasbro does extremely well that we're focused on every day. One, we're driving proprietary consumer insights by listening and learning from our consumers about how their patterns aren't what they were even last year. And the second is you know us as robust storytellers, right? So we are really thinking about the characters and the stories, how to deliver that on different platforms, different devices, and can technology enhance that? Because as amazing as all the tech that I'm sure we're about to see, it's also a very cluttered space and if that technology isn't grounded in consumer insights, I don't think we'll be talking about it next year. So you're about to see some interesting eSports and gaming platforms and displays. What sort of signals are you going to try or teaching moments are you going to try to take from eSports going forward? So Hasbro is actually engaged in eSports with two of our brands, Dungeons of Dragons and then Magic of Gathering has a huge eSport following. So we see one million monthly views of the game being streamed. And I think what we're learning about the platform and the culture is the power of the big economy. And we think that in eSports I think the success comes because globally people have really united in a very authentic way about these characters and games they love to share. So they're spending their time, their energy, and of course now they're financially fueling the entire system. And I think that power of the fan translates beyond those brands. We've seen it applied to brands that have been around for decades like Transformers or Monopoly. So it's really thinking about how are we listening to our fans and making them the ambassadors of the experience. And I think that's some of the tools that we're excited to see more about how technology will enable that in new ways. A lot of the stuff we're talking about is delight and surprise. How are you using technology to delight and surprise your users and your customers? I think we're doing it across the portfolio in different ways. So we have products and innovation in our gaming lines for example that capitalize on social trends and bring those to a physical form. So games that are fun to play but more importantly fun to watch other people play and fun to share as social currency. And we've seen that come to life in so many ways that started by watching YouTube videos and really seeing some of the challenges and thinking about how as Hasbro can we make that a true experience for the family and deliver best. So Ankita, in your work on this project, did your notion of play change? Definitely. And I think a good exhibitor that describes this is Icaros. So what Icaros is doing is they've combined fitness and play to build experiences. And I think it helps me understand how it's more and more important to connect to your consumer with a very good experience.