I don't know if I can say most people, but I think a large portion of Christians get salvation right. The main part, the main part of salvation is this, that you must place your faith in Christ because of what he did, why he did it. Most people know what he did and most have an understanding, a basic understanding of why he did it. That is that we couldn't do it ourselves. We needed someone to pay the debt for us and then because of that all we've got to do is trust in what he's done. By faith we're safe. But then you'll hear a statement about the blood and I really don't think that many people fully understand the blood, the point of the blood and really the result of the blood. And so for that reason I want to cover that. I want to deal with that because it is vitally important as believers to understand why it does no good. I mean, well I'll take it back. I was going to say it does no good to get the right answer, not knowing why you got the right answer. Nope, truth be told, even if you don't know why he did it, but that he did it, that's good too. That's required. I don't want to add an extra layer of salvation to all of this and muddy up the water. I don't want to do that. But I think it's important to know why the steps, what all took place, why these things took place, so that let's say you get in a discussion or you're trying to figure things out down the road and you're trying to build on top of what you know. But the foundation that you have is a little bit shaky. There are some errors in it. You got the right conclusion, but how you got there might be wrong. Matter of fact, I've seen, when I was teaching GED, pretty funny, by the way. It was pretty funny class. I had a bunch of 60-year-old, 50-60-year-olds who were in prison did not want to get their GED. They had to take their GED classes in order to get time off, in order to get their good time to account, to accrue to them.  It was funny though.  And I'll never forget one guy, he got the right answers and there's no way in the world that anybody on the planet could have gone the exact same route he got that he went to and got the same answer. It was funny how he got the right answer. I had no choice but to mark it correct, but how he got there, wow. He had no clue. This was over fractions. It was fractions and what else was it? And decimals and so forth. Anyway, he got there by grace of God. We don't want that same thing happening to you when it comes to the Bible. So we want to know how we got there, why we got there, so that we can also direct others there. I want to take you to an important, important, important passage. This is in Hebrews chapter 9 verse 22. Now, obviously this passage is written towards the Jews who have now placed their faith in Christ. They received Christ as the Messiah. They recognize the Jesus Messiah. They died for them, but he's making a point that also applies to us. He says there, he says, according to the law, one makes almost say all things are cleansed with blood. And here it is. Here's the important part. Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness. So the criteria or one of the key ingredients for forgiveness is the shedding of blood. Now, I'm going to say something that might sound controversial. As a matter of fact, I hope it sounds so controversial that it makes you just say, you know, wait a second, what did he just say? And then grant me the opportunity to prove this point. Now, I've said this before, but I want other folks to understand this as well. That is, we take it off, put it on the full screen for dramatic effect. You ready? You are not saved by the blood of Christ. I wish I had an effect that you are not saved by the blood of Christ. Does that sound blasphemous? It might sound blasphemous. It might matter of fact, it feels kind of odd sometimes saying it, but you are not saved by the blood of Christ. I see someone already says, yes, we are. I can prove it to you in a second. We are not saved. I see, uh-oh, we are not saved by the blood of Christ. As a matter of fact, to make it even better, we're not even saved by Christ dying on the cross. How in the world? I'm unsubscribing, I'm leaving, never coming back. Here's what I mean. Here's what I mean. Thank you, Tony. Thank you, Annette. You are saved by believing in Christ's death on the cross. You are saved by believing, by having faith in the blood. My moderator said, bye. I'm not minimizing the blood. The blood is vitally important, vitally important, but that didn't make you saved. He died on the cross. True. He shed his blood for you and I and everyone else. True, but it does absolutely nothing if you do not place your faith in that. I wouldn't care if, if, if he died 40 times, wouldn't do a thing for you if you did not place your faith in, you are not saved by the blood. You're saved by faith in the blood.  You all get that. It, think about it, the same blood that was shed, was shed, but did everybody believe in it? Now, we're going to go back and look at the process where this all comes about.   You are losing it. My friend, age is not agreeing with your mind. Now, maybe you all see what I'm saying and there is a reason I'm not just saying this stuff for just dramatic effect. I really am not. I'm saying this for another reason. And yeah, this, this does, this does deal with limited atonement, but that's not the reason why it's not the reason why, although it's very important to understand that you need to thank you, David. He said, I brought you back. Amen. Praise God. You've got to understand what he's doing and why he's doing it. Now, when you look at, remember our salvation, the atonement that we have for us is the same atonement that we had then just different elements. By the way, salvation, being in right standing, how we are saved, why we are saved. The only way to be saved is to be in right standing with God. That's the only way. Now, if there's a lot of, if there's four or five, 10 different ways to be in right standing with God, well, then amen. Now, there are not, obviously there are not 10 different ways to be in right standing with God. There are not five different ways to be in right standing. But if there were the name, but they're not, if there were three different ways to be in right standing with God, then amen. But for us, there's only one way to be in right standing with God. For Abraham, he had to trust God. For Abel, what did Abel have to do to be in right standing with God? Believe God. He had to trust. He had to have faith. We'll get to this in the, matter of fact, we'll get to this Saturday coming up with this, this upcoming Bible study. But we'll see how God has wanted to reconcile himself with mankind from the very beginning because we're going to see that. Wait a second. How is Abel, and we read about him in Hebrews, Abel is righteous. He's in right. And by the way, guys, when we say righteous, that just means a person, a person is in right standing. That's all. Well, how do you get in right standing? You're not righteous because there's something in of us. You know what? You're just so awesome.  No, that's not why you're righteous. You might think so, but that's not why you're righteous.   There's a big difference because let's be honest, there are a lot of us, even us on this chat from time to time, we can get a little bit self-righteous. We can look at others and look down on them. I never understood when people say look down their nose at people. I never got that. I never fully understood that, but again, fine. Looking down your nose at people or looking, that's more like it. But anyway, we can act that way sometimes, but we're really not. We can act self-righteous, but we're not righteous because of ourselves. We are righteous because of someone else who puts us in right standing. Abraham was in right standing. Funny thing about Abraham being in right standing, there was no even old covenant atonement for him. Same thing with Abel. Same thing with Jonah. Same thing with Enoch. There was no old covenant atonement in that sense, but when we'll read about this, we'll cover this on Saturday in the Bible study, but we'll see how God has made a way for people to be in right standing all throughout history. And whatever he determines is going to satisfy him, because he's the one that's looking. Remember I said, everything depends on how he looks at us. Not how we look at him. It's not about us and how we see things. It's about him and how he sees us and everything else. How he sees us in compared with the rest of the world and how he accepts you. You must be in right standing with him.  How do you get in right standing with him? And while I keep doing this, I don't know, but in order to get in right standing with him, you must have your faith in him, whatever he's asked for, whatever it is. Sometimes you got to get on the road doing stuff and just it's like galloping down a hill and you can't stop. All you can do is pick up speed. But they have been given an awesome opportunity, the Children of Israel, an awesome opportunity to be reconciled with God. Remember when we said the atonement, let me answer this question, this is because this is pertinent as a matter of fact. Renardo, I'm sorry, says, did people in the old covenant go to heaven? They didn't go at that time. Remember Jesus states that no one has ascended, but he who has ascended that is the Son of God, the Son of Man. And so they did not go. We cover that when we go. There's a video that I did. I can't remember when it was. It couldn't be too long ago because it was about Easter, the resurrection, but where was Jesus for those three days? And so no, they didn't go to heaven at that moment, but they did eventually. But there was a way for them to be in right standing in the meantime. What got, matter of fact, perfect segue as a matter of fact, what God is trying to do is to reconcile us. And so when we talk about this atonement, and I've said before guys, you should say it enough to where you remember. This is not debated really between many people. This is something that even Jews agree with, even if they don't believe in Christ. But there are three elements to the atonement, the Hebrew word Kavar. And when you and when you look at the word and just go back and just kind of do research on the word, how it came to be and so forth, there's always different theories and so forth. But it entails a covering so that the sin is not seen. It entails a canceling of the debt that's owed. The canceling of the debt, the debt that's owed. What's the debt? Well, your sin. What's the payment for it? The canceling debt, whatever God prescribes. In this case, under the old covenant, it's blood. And then what does it do? The third element of it, it brings about reconciliation. There is no atonement. I mean, without reconciliation, we don't have atonement. And atoning for our sins brings about this reconciliation. He wants this closest. And so we're going to see that when we get, when we go back to Genesis as well. But here we're talking about the day of atonement. I'm not going to go yet. I knew it was going to come up. I knew it was going to come up, but it's fine. I brought it up. So I need to answer that question. Buster says, what about Enoch and Elijah? The Bible says that for each one of them, they were, for example, Elijah was taken up into the heavens, but he didn't go into the heaven. He didn't go to where the Father was with Enoch. He says that he walked with God and he was no more. They were just taken from the land of the living. They didn't see a physical death like we did. No heart attack, stroke or what have you. Did he get hit by a wild chariot or a coconut didn't fall ahead? None of that's up. Jesus makes a statement that none of them have, no one has ascended, including them, which is interesting that even Elijah, Moses, you don't see any of those people from the Old Testament being brought back up to life in the New Testament any more after Jesus's ascension. Because at that point in time, he takes them all with him. So that being stated. So now, when we look at the atonement, the day of atonement, I won't cover all of this. What we have, a couple of things happening. One, we've got a high priest. Let me just run through this real briefly. We've got a high priest who he has to atone for himself. He's got to make atone for himself. Why? Because as the priest, the priest has to be a mediator between man and God. So he has to atone for himself because he can't go before the presence of God. He's not in right standing either. So we've got the high priest. After he has atone for himself, then he's got to make atonement for the people. What do we see? Now we see the scapegoat and we see the sacrificial offering. The sacrificial offering is the one that's going shed his blood on the altar, spread on the altar, and God is going to accept it. But then also we've got the scapegoat who all the sins of the people are confessed on the head of the scapegoat.  Have no idea what happens to the scapegoat. I wouldn't want to be him though. I'll tell you that. And then God, after all this happened and the high priest makes atonement, God would accept it. He didn't have to. As long as everything is done right properly, he will accept it. So now how are they saved by that? Just because all those things happen, just because the high priest has been atoned for, he can go before everyone. Just because they're the scapegoat, all the sins of everybody has been confessed on the head of the scapegoat. And it's sent away just because there's been shed blood on the altar. Does that mean that all of Israel is saved now? Now I would like to know your answer. I was going to say, is it you guys? Your guys? I would like to know you all's answer. You know what? I'd like to know y'all's answer about that. Sometimes it's good to be in the South. I would like to know y'all's answer. What do you think? Do you think that just because all those things have taken place that all of Israel is now saved? The lowest perfect answer? Nope. Nope, nope, and nope, and more notes to come. Nope, nope, nope. Everybody's saying nope. Good. Good because you got, let's, that's the, there's a reason why you guys are here. There's a reason why you guys are here. And I know, I know other, other channels might, might want to say so, but they can't. They can't. They just can't. They can never, ever, ever, ever, and I mean ever claim that they have the best chat, nor can they ever claim they have the smartest chat. Nope, can't happen. Can never happen. So that being the case. So what do we say to all the other Christian channels? Nanny, nanny, nanny. No, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But our channel is the chats here are the best chats. Best chat. I don't get what anybody say. Take that to my grave. Sorry. Anyway, so no, wait a second, wait a second though. Okay, so now, now we're getting somewhere. Now we're getting somewhere CG because CG is going somewhere. CG said no, no, wait, wait a second. I gotta, I gotta fix something. I'm sorry. I don't even want to. I hate to do this. I'll come back to you a second CG. I gotta deal with somebody here though. I gotta deal with, matter of fact, it's a cowboy thing. Makes sense. I gotta deal with Detox. Detox said I'm hating on KDubb. No, it's not just KDubb. Even though KDubb did say something blasphemous and say that he has the best chat. He's hating on us. He and I get it. He envies you guys. Now some of you guys go over there. So it's kind of like you guys have helped helped him out a little bit, but no, no, but I'm kidding. But going back to CG, he says faith in the atonement, faith in the atonement. See, okay, we're going to have a fight. Hold on, CJ. I'm gonna come back to you again. I'm gonna come back to you again. See, because I don't like when Simone love you, but and listen, the bunker is fine. Sir Walter Jones, love him to death. If you have not subscribed, go over and check him out now. In order to watch Sir Walter Jones, you have to go to bed at two in the morning because I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Now, listen, if Walter Jones comes on at four or three or two, it's like, what, what's happened? So, no, I love, I love, I love Walter Jones. He, he's teaching over there. He's teaching over there, but CG made a statement and I'll stay here. He said faith in the atonement. What do we mean by faith in the atonement though? Let me ask you guys a question. Now we're getting somewhere. Now we are getting somewhere. I think we're getting somewhere, but, but, but CG, CG, this is where we might go off the rails just a tad. It was funny though, Duchess. Yeah, he got that late night vibe, but he's, he's, how old is Walter Jones? What? He's about 67 years old, eight, four years old. He's older than me and I can't listen. I can't hang that late. I just can't do it.  I don't know what, I don't know if he's got like some IV stuck in him with some red bull in it. I don't know, but he just, God bless him. God bless that brother. I can't do it. I can't do it, but this is where we, where we get ready to mess up though. Dinah's getting very snitch on me. This is where we might go off the rails though, CG. This is where it might, we might have an issue. What you said is true. What you said is true, but I gotta ask this question. What do you mean by what you said that I'm saying is true? That's the question. What do you, and what, and I'm pretty sure you all would say the same thing. You all agree that faith in the atonement at that time is what saves them? Thank you, Ethan. I appreciate that. Without question, yes, I believe that. I believe, okay, he's not 84. He's not quite, he's not quite 84. I apologize. Brother Walter Jones, I apologize. I apologize. I apologize. You are not 84. You can close to it though, but anyway. Anyway, but faith in it, what does that mean? Well, since what we have today is what we had then accept, accept better elements. We have the same thing that saves the day. It's just better elements, which means it only has to happen one time under the old covenant and the old testament. The day of atonement was you got a high priest. We have a high priest. That's Jesus. There was a scapegoat who took away the sins of the people. We've got Jesus when John said, look y'all, it's still in the South. Look y'all, the Lamb of God, which takes away the sins of the world. That's Jesus. Under the old, we have this sacrificial offering, this lamb. Under the new, under Christ, we've got a better sacrifice, better blood. And I want you all to think about what this blood is called.  Okay, there's a term for this blood. It is, this blood is, is referred to as something. I'll get to that in a second. But before we get to that, before we get to that, there was something, and I've covered this a few times before, probably not as much as I ought to, and I'm going to do it now. There was something that the children of Israel also had to do. Because just simply showing up, okay, you showed up. Just simply showing up, okay, at least he's 55 years old. He's 55 years old. I love you, Walter. But just simply showing up on the day of atonement is not enough.  When is this thing going to be over? Primetime. Oh, see, this is why I tell you. This is why I tell you. This is why I tell you. Smartest chat. The world's smartest YouTube chat. They had to afflict their souls. But what does that mean? What does, what does that mean? They had to afflict their souls. Well, let's go look at it. Let's go to Leviticus. Now we hear the day of atonement in chapter 16. Let's go towards the end and let's see what does that mean? What does that mean? In chapter 16, verse 29, he says, This shall be a permanent statute for you. In the seventh month on the tenth day of the month, you shall humble your souls, or some verse may say afflict. The wording here is a not. Now this case is tianu, which is Hebrew inflicts so, so much. It's for difference. The word goes from a not and then by the time you're finished, this is tianu, tianu, which is or I'm sorry, tianu. Like wait a second, what happened to a not? It inflicts so much because you have the pronomial suffix. You have the, you have the, oh Lord, the pronomial suffix and the prefix. So, but humble or afflict your souls. What does that mean? He says, You shall humble or afflict your souls and do not work or do, I'm sorry, not do any work, whether the native or the alien or or whoever sojourns among you. For it is on this day that atonement shall be made for you to cleanse you. Hmm. I want you to pay attention to how that was read and how well, how it was written. Atonement was made for you to cleanse you. You will be clean from all your sins before the Lord. It is to be a Sabbath of soul of solemn rest for you that you may humble your souls. It is a permanent statute. So what does that mean? Now we see this pop up, this humble or afflict your souls in just a second. I sure will, Dinah. Y'all make sure that make sure before I leave, we cover that. We want to see what that means because this word or this phrase humble or to afflict your soul comes up. And then you also have it in the Tanakh and some of these other Jewish writings as well. I said the Tanakh is this, but other Jewish writings as well that speak about humbling or afflicting your souls. Now let's go to a passage that I've spoken of about fasting before when we find out what the purpose of fasting is because what it, what it, do y'all recall what we cover this? What fasting is for? What's the purpose of fasting? It's not to get something. I need my rent paid. I need a husband. I need a wife. I need some, some medical insurance. I need relief, whatever. And so I'm fast. No, there it is. There it is. The purpose of it is to draw close to God. Remember Jesus says they were asked him, why is it that John's disciples fast and the Pharisees, we all fast? Why is that your disciples don't fast? And he says, for what? I'm paraphrasing. For what? I'm here. He says, when I leave, they'll, they'll fast. And so that's it to, to be close to God. And if we read, uh, Isaiah 53, let's put it on screen. He says, why have we fasted and you do not see? We have humbled ourselves and you do not notice, but hold on the day that of your fast, you find your desire and drive hard all your workers.  You do not fast like you do today or to make, or to make your voice heard on high. And he says, did I choose a fast like this? Is it a fast like this, which I chose a day for a man to humble himself? Uh, so you are to humble yourself and it's not just the going without the food part. It's not just the going without the food part because there's an attitude that comes with that, which is that there's not going to be any working. There's not going to be any eating. Uh, your focus is what? Him. Your focus is towards him. It is a Sabbath rest. It is a day of solemn rest focusing on him. That's a hope. That was a whole point of the Sabbath to begin with. Your focus is now on him. All these things that he's done, give him this moment that you focus on him, which is beneficial so that you don't depart from him, that you don't move away. Exactly right. It's a proximity. Proximity is the whole goal. The point of fasting is the whole goal. The point of having the Holy Spirit in us is proximity so that we would be close to him, which is why he says when we have an issue, draw near to him and then he'll draw near to you. Instead of being so close or in proximity to the devil, resist him and what will he do, he'll flee as you draw close to God. And so what he wants as you're afflicting your souls, yes, you're fasting and yes, you have faith in what he's doing. You believe it's happening and then also you're not working. So outwardly, ceremonially, you're doing all the things you're fulfilling all the dictates of this day of atonement. But the heart still matters. And that's the point of the day of atonement. Being there, fine. You're not working fine because if you did work on that day, everyone's going to see it. Now it's, you could get away with eating on that day and not everyone see it.   No one saw that. Now, obviously God did. So you violate those things, but at the same time, you actually do believe, you actually do believe that God did accept the sacrifice.  So you do know, you do believe, you do trust, you see God's working, but there's the part that comes with you. So all these things were done for your benefit, but it didn't benefit you because notice what he says. Let's go back to 1629. Notice how he wrote it. Right. As they say in the South, how you read it. This shall be a permanent statute for you in the seventh month on the 10th day of the month. You shall humble your souls and do not and not do any work with the native or the alien whosojourners. Here it is verse 34. It is on this day that atonement shall be made for you to cleanse. So atonement shall be made. So you don't understand what that means though. Atonement being made for you does not mean that it worked in your behalf. It's important.  Didn't matter. All of Israel's there. Doesn't matter. There's an attitude that you must have to have a flipping attitude. You can't just show up and you know, hey, matter of fact, I'm part of Israel. I'm good. No, not, not so good. Not so good. Now I want to look at this word before I look at this word, this, because I asked you guys a question. What does it mean? What do we, what do we call this blood? What, what did the blood do? There was something that the blood did. Before I get to that, let's go to Leviticus 1711. He says that for the life of the flesh is in the blood. And I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your soul. For it is by the blood, by reason, the life that makes atonement. It is the blood by reason of the life that makes atonement. So what does the blood do? I just, Cindy, Cindy, you're wonderful. It covers. But it also does something else though. What else does the blood do? What else does the blood do? It covers. I think I see where Jeff is going. I'm going to have to give Jeff credit for this. He says it pays for life. It pays. Now you guys are giving the answers. They're good answers, but there's something specific. There's something specific and we see it's, we see it said specifically in the New Testament, but it uses a word that we're not totally sure. Oh, go on it, CG. Love you, brother.  Pays a debt. Oh, wait a second, wait a second. I see. I see. Redeem's cleanse, but it's that last word right there. You all see that last word? Do you all see that last word that he put up? Propitiation. Have you all heard this term before? Propitiation. Can you all let me know? Have you heard that word? Propitiation? You've heard that. Propitiate that word before, right? Now, hold on, Darrell. Hold on, Darrell. You said it justifies. Does the blood justify? No, the blood doesn't justify if without the faith. What is this? I don't know what's happened. Someone just popped up on my screen. My granddaughter's trying to call me. Okay. You're justified after because of it, but what does this word propitiation mean? Because sometimes I think we get, sometimes we take this word and make it mean more than what it means. Okay. So, I want to look at this word. One place where we can see this word is Romans 3.5. So, let us go to Romans 3.5. I'm sorry, 3.5, 3.25. Matter of fact, let's start, let's start a little earlier than 3.25. Let's start 21. But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been manifested. Being witnessed by the law and the prophets, even the righteousness of God through, y'all see what I highlighted? Y'all see what I highlighted this word, faith, pisteos. I highlighted this word, faith, in Christ, through faith in Christ, in Jesus Christ, for all those who believe. Important distinction there, for all those who believe. Little was paid, but it results in righteousness through all those who believe. For there is no distinction for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.  What's the next line? Through faith. So the redemption, you all know what redemption is, right? Redemption is you redeeming something, you paying for something.  What does this word propitiation mean? Because it's the blood that's the propitiation. So we got to figure out what this word is. This comes from the Greek word, helosmos, or I want to put on the screen. I want to show you all what this is. This is what it is. It's a method of payment. It's a method of payment. So let me pull up the B-deck. Can you all see that the B-deck, the Greek word that's used here is the Greek word, helostarion, which is, come from helosmos, or you'll see variations of it, which is to pay. That which serves as an instrument for regaining the goodwill of a deity in this case, a means of propitiation or expiation, gift to procure. So it's the payment. It's another way of looking at the guys is this is the currency. The blood is the currency. So another good word, Katrina, appeasement. So the blood, so this blood is paid down here, here, paying this. I'm paying this out. I'm paying this out. Now what? Him paying that out. Jesus literally paying that out because that's what the Father required for us. Did it do anything for us by itself? Pay the debt. Did it do? No, it didn't. It did not. That blood payment doesn't do anything for us unless it's accompanied by the next portion. Let's go back to verse 25. Let's go back to 23, 24, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption, His payments process. So for what we're talking about, which is in Christ, whom God displayed publicly as a payment, appeasement, expiation, as currency in His blood, the next part is important through faith. So it is the faith in His blood that doesn't. It is the faith in what He did. And it's not just the generic faith that everybody can have this generic belief that, yeah, I know that Jesus died for me. I know Jesus loves me. This I know for the Bible tells me so. Okay. So it's not that kind of basic generic faith. It is this like how they were on the day of atonement where they had to afflict their souls.  Afflicting your souls is just not you just basic having a basic fast. That's not it or not working. No, it's more intensive. It's more focus. It has more to do with the heart. Are you with me? And so it needs to be understood in that regard. Are you all with me? That's what is now. I do want to go ahead and bring, I don't want to bring this up. Why do I have this up? Don't know why I have this up. I have no idea. I pull, I have a, I have a scripture up. I don't know why I have the scripture up. It's covering aspects of what I'm talking about, but I don't know why I brought this up. I don't know why I pulled it up.  I don't know why. I don't know why, but let's go to this passage. As a matter of fact, have you all seen that shirt that I wear sometimes that says red lives matter? What you can't see is the scripture that's on the back of the shirt. Here's the scripture that's on the back of the shirt. Ephesians chapter one verse seven says in him we have redemption through his blood the forgiveness of our trespass according to the riches of his grace which he lavished on us in all wisdom and insight. Now we know what he's talking about because he's already spoken about our faith and goes on to speak more about his, our faith in what he has done. So when, when I say, when I put this on the screen and it looks weird or the thumbnail, it looks weird when it says that we are not saved by the blood. We're not saved by the blood. We're saved by our faith in the blood because that were the case. If that were the case we were saved by the blood, well then the blood would cover everybody. It doesn't cover everybody. It covers those who are believing. The believing ones have this faith in what he's done. Now, so like, like Monkey Moose says, we are with blood bought and the only way we're blood bought is we say, yep, I trust that that blood payment was enough and satisfied God. It expiated God's wrath. Big funny word because we don't use that word expiate. We don't use that word. We don't use the word propitiate. What we do is we look at what it means, why, why was given. It was necessary because again, God required, God demanded that there needed to be something to cover what his wrath demanded. His wrath demanded death. He said, the son said, okay, okay, I got your father. I got your father. Father, you required death. You just didn't, you didn't just say though it had to be them. So I'm going to take their place. I'm going to stand in place of them and pay the price that you require because if I don't do it, nobody else is going to be able to do it. Matter of fact, truth be told, Jesus could say if I don't do it, no one else going to even want to do it. You don't even want to pay for your own debt. You don't want, who in the chat wants to, if you could, let's say you could, would you want to pay for your own debt? I don't want to die. Dying just doesn't sound cool. Doesn't sound good, right? So no, he did what you could not do, but also did what you would not do. And if you could, if you could, it would be like giving 13 cents on your $500,000 mortgage. Listen, I'm a little short of this, of this mortgage that I got, but here's 13 cents. When you take that, you got a long way to go. Got a long way to go. Okay. I see someone says that I would. Okay. Well, over here on the true side of town, we know, but we know, we know. Yeah, he does. Carlton Pearson is, he looked like, he looked like at some point, like he really, truly bought into this. Like he really believed he looked like, but sometimes you just have to sit and watch a person. Oftentimes, many times, if you just stand back and watch somebody, they'll show you who they are. If you stand back and just look at people, they'll eventually show you exactly who they are. People do it at Washington. Yeah. Don't, Dutch, dying sounds so not living. Yeah. Especially if it's the fact that once you do it and you realize where you're going after you die, because you didn't have enough, you didn't have enough paper to pay. That's so true. That is so true. No one has hated sin enough to pay for it. No, say that again. Without question. Now, let me go to our songstress, Diana reviews. She asked a question. Could you discuss the consequences of grieving the Holy Spirit? Okay. Give me a second. Let me type this up. Uh-oh. What did I just do? What did I just do? Okay. That is going to be in Ephesians. Sometimes when I say what I just do, I kind of get a little overly dramatic, like I just destroyed something I really didn't. I just don't know what I just did. So nothing messed up. I just got my eyes on the right spot. So let's go to this passage. It is in Ephesians 4 30 where he says, Do not grieve the Holy Spirit by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. What does that mean? Do not grieve. Well, let's look at what the word grieve means. Let's pull up so you guys can see it. Lupete, which means to grieve, to pain. It literally, what it really means, guys, is to suppress. If you are a Christian, here's one fact that's not, that's undeniable. That is, if you are a Christian, if you are Christian, the Holy Spirit is working in you to do, to move, to speak. Remember Jesus says that when the Spirit comes in you, then he is going to testify, not you, not even the Holy Spirit. He's going to testify, not even of a generic God. He's going to testify of Christ because that's where the rubber meets the road. You can be all about the Spirit because folks don't know what spirit you're talking about. You can be all about God because everybody's about God, a generic God.  As a matter of fact, it used to be that it was safe to say Jesus here. Now, not so much, not so much because that is, remember, he says, bless those that say all these reviling things and so forth for my name's sake because of my name. Yeah, it's going to get rough out there bearing the name of Jesus. This isn't the 1940s anymore. This is the 1970s or 80s. It's getting rougher and rougher and rougher and it will look up and see that America ain't what it used to be. But then again, guess what? The world ain't what it used to be. But also guys, it's kind of getting back in many ways to the way it used to be for the early Christians and for those a few years after that. It's bad in Canada. I would say, listen, are you in Canada, Cindy? If you're in Canada, get your car, point it south.  Yeah, you're not Minnesota, not Wisconsin, not New England. Just keep going down south. Now, if you hit Indiana, that's fine. Wonderful state. If you want to get even better, if you want to even get further south where it's a little warmer, you too, Catherine, come on in. Going down to Texas. Tennessee, I guess, is okay. I guess, I guess it's okay. You go to Florida. I think you, I think, you know what I like in the, I love Indiana, my home state, Texas, which is where I'm at, and Florida. So yeah, Tennessee's okay too. Tennessee's okay too. I'm just kidding. No, Ethan, get out of Michigan. Leave now. Leave. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. No, I'm not. But I'm kidding though. Not really. Missouri has kind of changed a little bit though.   You better, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. Love, New York. Rhode Island, help. Do people actually live in Rhode Island in Rhode Island? But now, so what does he mean by agree? Well, to suppress, to hold down, to hold back. But the Holy Spirit is trying to work in us and work in you. If things aren't happening in you, well, whose fault is it? It ain't the Holy Spirit. It's not the word. It's you. This is that, this, this, this problem that all believers have, Paul brings it out as well. We still got this flesh. And that's why you need a lot of things to kind of help you as you're going. Principally the word, prayer. And matter of fact, after you've read and prayed, go back and repeat it again. Worship throughout the day. Find your song, find, either it wants in your heart or wants on the radio, what have you. Fellowship, rinse and repeat. Those are the things.  As Paul says, think on these things. Make sure that you're filling yourself up with godly information, godly things so that it just kind of sets and resonates in your heart and grows. And then keep reading some more and keep praying some more. Pray all day long. Don't stop. Because if not, I don't care what you say, this, this flesh sometimes seems like it's undefeated. Sometimes it seems like it's undefeated. Here I am. I'm sitting there and I don't know where that thought came from. That thought just popped up. That no, it didn't just pop up. Did just pop up. You've been feeding it. You've been feeding it and you didn't pay attention to the fact that you was feeding it. And you know the old saying, whichever dog you feed the most, we'll get the, I'm saying it right. We'll bark the loudest. I said, I butchered that whole thing, didn't I? I just butchered that whole thing, but y'all know what I'm talking about. How does it go? Whichever dog you feed them. I don't know how you say it. I don't know how you say it. The dog that, yeah, whatever. That's right. See the dog on it, flesh. I gotta figure, whichever dog you, somebody in the chat better help me out. I'm stuck on this. Whatever, the dog that whatever, maybe I have it wrong. Maybe it's not about a dog. Maybe it's something else. Anyway, what did you say? You said, is it also like legalization instead of Christ atonement that putting yourself in place of the spirit? I can, that yeah, yeah, I see. Yeah. Yes. That is clearly a Canadian statement that's gotta be. She said, starve the wolf. There you go. But I like that. I like that. Starve the wolf. Amen. Amen. Hey, we got, I just told me a Canadian term. I like that. Starve the wolf. What if the dog's out? Okay. Now the chest is just throwing out just random things now. That dog, okay. It just again, again, best chat, the best chat on YouTube. Because some of us have nothing to do with what I just said. But anyway, anyway, but guys, I want you all, I want us to have a good understanding because this is our salvation. This is what we, we're not saved by what we know. We are saved by who we know, but it's what we know about who we know that brings us closer to him. Amen. So guys, I thank you all. I've got to go take care of some business. But I look forward to talking to you all again. God bless you all and I will see you all on tomorrow. Be safe.


So with the Madrid open underway, let's have a look at who actually has the most to gain and the most to lose at this event Because we all know there's a lot of withdrawals from this event including the defending champion on super Let's have a look at who didn't play last year or who didn't perform last year And they could actually gain some points and also the players that played well last year They have a lot to lose so starting with the players that have the most to gain from this event Egas Fiontech she did not play this event last year She actually pulled out before the tournament started So she has a thousand points that she could gain by winning in Madrid Stick with the WTA and arena Sabalenka also has a lot of points to gain after losing the first round last year She has 990 points to gain of course We all know about the battle between Fiontech and Sabalenka for that number one spot Fiontech's got a good lead But if Sabalenka does well here and Fiontech doesn't that could make a big difference going over to the ATP Olga Runa, he has nothing to lose here He can win a thousand points if he wins the event and by the way You played a Monte Carlo you'd expect if he's healthy that he'll be a real contender and Daniel Mervidev He actually didn't play most of the clay court season last year So here's a lot to gain a thousand points for him if he goes on to win the event So some big names there in the top 10 that have no points to lose or next to no points to lose And if they win they could really give a boost to their ranking going to the opposite side now And the players that have the most to lose at this event Zagreb will launch a deburr Of course, she's not gonna be playing so unfortunately She will lose those thousand points from last year Jessica Pagulla last year's finalist has 650 points on the line So unless she makes the final she'll be dropping a lot of points over on the ATP We have Carlos Alcarez defending champion for the men Here's a thousand points on the line this week So he has to perform well to save those points or defend the title to keep them and no back Jokovic Made the semi-finals here last year is not playing he loses 360 points and again Just like Fiontech Sabalenka if Alcarez does win this event again and keep those thousand points It does close the gap between him and Jokovic going into Rome and of course Jokovic We don't know if he's playing Rome so some key names there with a lot of points to lose and of course some key names Also with a lot of points to gain so you have it That is what's going on with the points to lose and points to gain from this event Of course, there's plenty of other players in between there a few of the players like Sidney Pass and those guys Made the semi-finals as well We can always talk about them but it's gonna be interesting because of course There's a lot of big names out for the men and there are a lot of injuries going around as well with some players That I might have just mentioned also some players that I didn't mention something like a Rebecca No, we don't know how she's looking going into this event She has some points that she can make up as well, but let me know down in the comments below How do you think it's gonna pan out after Madrid? Do you think we're gonna get you know maybe Sabalenka closing the gap between her and Fiontech? Do you think Alcarez can save those points from last year and close in on that Jokovic number one spot? There's a lot of points up for grabs this week for some massive names in that top 10 the ranks is gonna be interesting in a couple weeks


Hi, welcome to First Time Watching. Today we are going to explain the ending of a movie released in 2023 titled Dog Gone. Spoilers Ahead The opening scene of the movie shows a young college student named Fielding bemoaning a recent breakup. He decides to adopt a puppy from the shelter and give him the name Gonker in an effort to lift his mood. At his university, Gonker and Fielding are childhood friends. Fielding relocates with his parents while the rest of his buddies find employment and continue living their lives. His parents, John and Ginny Marshall are first wary of Gonker but quickly develop feelings for him. The family learns that Gonker has Addison's disease and requires monthly injections when he becomes ill. All appears to be fine once he recovers from his initial illness until one day when he rushes after a fox and disappears. Fielding spends hours trying to locate him without success. The Marshalls begin a thorough search operation the following morning with Ginny distributing information from her house and John and Fielding scouring the Appalachian Trail. Gonker will require his next shot in 20 days, giving them 20 days to find him. Fielding and John travel the Appalachian Trail in their search for Gonker, covering ground during the day and spending the night in motels. They distribute flyers and do whatever they can to spread the word. Meanwhile, Fielding continues to get stomach problems and refrains from eating while still walking for hours each day. He keeps everything from his father so that he can continue searching for Gonker. As the tale of Gonker gains popularity, more and more people start looking out for the Labrador over the course of many days. When John and Fielding arrive, it's another dog, despite the shelters claimed that they had found Gonker in a phone conversation. Fielding's health continues to worsen as he becomes ever more dejected. John decides to return home after observing Fielding's diminished condition.  He debates going back to look for Gonker with his parents, but they persuade him it's finished. Through telephone Fielding at last tells his sister about his constant stomach aches and his inability to swallow any food. His sister exhorts him to inform his parents and have it examined. Fielding's parents receive a call from a Matt Kessler who claims to have seen their dog just as Fielding is about to tell them. He claims that over the previous day or so, Gonker has been visiting to devour stuff taken out of their trash. He has witnessed him performing feats and throwing donuts with his nose, but hasn't been able to capture it on camera. The marshals are persuaded by this to leave right away. When they arrive, Matt directs Fielding and John to the trees where Gonker typically emerges. He ignores Fielding's calls for him despite the calls. John gets discouraged once more as he spots a recognizable furry face in between the trees. It's Gonker! Ginny frequently experiences memories from her past throughout the movie. They are recollections of her early years around the time she received the pet dog Ajay. She gave Ajay her all, but her parents weren't as sympathetic to him. She was devastated and promised never to love another dog when he went away while her parents were watching and was struck by a car. All of this is altered when Ginny meets Gonker, who is immediately smitten with her. They get along well, but when he disappears, she is heartbroken because she worries that she may lose a companion dog once more. Gonker goes to greet Ginny as John and Fielding finally get him home. He and Ajay may both be seen rushing into her arms. After a joyful reunion, the family returns to their home where Fielding ultimately nods off from exhaustion. They discover in the hospital that he had ulcerative colitis, which could have been the cause of his demise. All he needed now is some rest. John and Ginny note that Fielding hasn't been sleeping well at night while being treated in the hospital. John understands that this is the result of Fielding becoming accustomed to sleeping next to Gonker. He hides Gonker inside his jacket as a result to enter. The movie ends as it is revealed that Fielding eventually manages to get some sound sleep thanks to Gonker's presence. Subscribe for more videos like this, turn on the notification and leave a like to help the channel out. Thanks for watching.


later no worries I was just curious about that and we may not be able to follow that that ball but with the Medicare Advantage penetration growing um it's just interesting to see how that flows through to the financials um I had then I had a couple of comments that um actually came out of our meeting in Rutland uh but actually dovetail I think nicely with some of Dave's comments I was I thought it was interesting um a couple of different things from the Rutland presentation that really to me potentially explain some of the spillover effect that we see in the evaluations um specifically when we when we were talking to the community health team they call it the accountable community for health the blueprint community health team uh they were talking about the implementation of the Medicaid expanded ACO program in their community which is done through the blueprint community health team and how when they are doing outreach to those patients without primary care providers they don't just limit it to ACO-attributed folks they basically do it with anyone and so um I just thought that was interesting because one of the areas that I think we've discussed uh for many years is to Dave's point in a state where we've had a long history of the blueprint for health the medical homes and the community health teams and where we have statutorily required that the ACO not duplicate but instead use those structures for implementation of any of their programs I think it can be quite difficult to disentangle what's the blueprint versus what's one care and that was just kind of an interesting example and to me um maybe if it is widespread and more than just this HSA explains why we see this spillover more broadly because from the community perspective they may just be implementing it across the board regardless of attribution at which point you would see any impacts in the population more generally so that was just an anecdote I wanted to share and then to your COVID-19 slide again a story from Rutland's that was interesting to that really highlighted starkly for me not being a clinician uh some of the impacts from COVID and the difficulty kind of regrouping um was that the place that I visited was the Westridge Center which is a substance abuse disorder treatment center and they prior to the pandemic ran I think they said over 60 different like in person group um groups for their 400 patients and so they are obviously a very high touch organization that completely went away during COVID and they haven't been able to reestablish those 60 groups so what that kind of highlighted for me that maybe some of what we're seeing in the 2021 quality and other um sort of issues is that we know from our hearings during the pandemic that basically healthcare reform activities were put on the back burner understandably because people were dealing with the pandemic and so I don't think there's an answer to this question but I think it'll be interesting to see how quickly uh that comes back uh because the the ACO since the implementation of the programs is to Dave's point providers is going to be there their success is very much tied to when the delivery system is sort of recovered enough from the pandemic to be able to reconvene their healthcare reform and delivery system reform activities so those were just a since I know most of you were working hard on this presentation it was just a couple of anecdotal examples that I thought kind of highlighted some of the challenges that we see with some of the data and I wanted to share those with you um and that is really actually related to that the blueprint issue I was wondering if it might make sense when we get the care coordination evaluation to share that with the blueprint for health since the implementation of care coordination goes through the blueprint for health community health teams just to see if they had any comments or thoughts on that so I was going to suggest that and also if you I wanted to ask if you had shared um any of the recommendations that touch more directly to the blueprint programs with AHS in case they had any thoughts we did talk with Edan back as the director of healthcare reform about the overall blueprint CHT trend for that one care is proposed for this year we also spoke with her about the our recommendation related to the risk related to the advanced health savings dollars and I believe also the Medicaid FPP target was discussed with Diva great thank you I just wanted to make sure those communication loops were flowing yeah that's all I had thank you very much Miss Holmes thank you I just have one comment actually and one quick question I think my comment is broadly around evaluation and I think you know we've had public comment we've had board concerns about how we better evaluate the impact of one care Vermont on Vermonters and we get lots of data we have reports but sometimes it's hard to navigate all these different measures and try and attribute causality so I just wanted to throw out there to the staff that perhaps we might need to do our own internal assessment where we compare the costs and the health outcomes for a continuously enrolled ACO attributed population with an otherwise matched sample you know a match sample of otherwise similar patients who have never been enrolled in the ACO and look at them over time and I just so I just want to throw out there that that may be something that we explore doing in the coming months and we may need some data from one care to do that but we also have some of our own you know databases that would allow us to do such an analysis I want to throw out there that I think I'd like to see if that's something feasible and then my other my question really was the recommendation by staff to request one care Vermont to submit the methodological approach to conducting that ROI analysis comparing their admin expenses to the health care savings and I just wondered if the staff had considered or would consider the feasibility of thinking about providing some sort of framework framework or guardrails or expectations for what that methodology looks like so that we can ensure that we're getting what we want and so my guess I would just maybe we can think a little bit harder in the next week I'll do that and maybe others can as well what would we expect you know what are some of the expectations we might have for that methodology so that when if that's something that the board approves when one care submits it in April it's really truly what we want and what we're expecting and what we need so that's just a question which you can we can talk about next week if that's better or if somebody has a thought on that today that'd be great next week's great Yeah I think you're all unmuting and waiting to see if someone else is going to jump in the challenge of having a large team I think that that's something that we should definitely discuss internally as staff and with you Board Member Holmes we would certainly want to bring in staff from our data team and make sure that our data team was able to kind of help us help us think through the options. I think that there are also potential opportunities to work with the blueprint for help on this for Board Member Lunges earlier earlier comment and to see whether we could collaborate with them since it is going to be challenging you know there's potential for it to be really challenging to disentangle the blueprint and one care interventions among others. That's all I have Chair Foster thank you and thank you team again a lot of work a lot of slides a lot of analysis and very much appreciated I believe Dr. Merman had one other additional question if you'd like to go doctor go ahead Oh thanks so much you know just one quick comment I think Jessica I really like the idea of that matched control study I do think one thing to consider maybe is that the penetration of one care so high that finding appropriate match controls might be challenging just but I really like I think it's the kind of stuff I think we need to do but my question was actually on one quick question on executive and ACO compensation that came up is I was reviewing the rules and our rules as an ACO structure it's executive compensation to achieve specific and measurable goals that support the ACO's effort to reduce cost growth or improve the quality and overall care of enrollees or both and so I think one thing that I would like to see if we could obtain this from one care is those specific and measurable goals that the slide that was presented on executive compensation has really good conceptual framework I believe for the compensation but I would think that if there I would think there's probably specific and measurable components to that that would be very helpful to see just to confirm that the compensation is in line with those efforts to reduce cost and improve quality so I guess my question in that is could we request that I think that was part of our next step in informing conclusion on that on meeting that particular requirement thanks just had a couple on slide 88 about the I don't think you need to go to it but the issue with the methodology when did we learn about the methodology being different than we had anticipated and had we communicated our expectation that it should be top performers by each category that's a good question I would have to look and see specifically which meeting we learned that I do think it was earlier this fall and we've read our language requirements multiple times it did come a bit as a surprise to us but also it was you know it's challenging to get the specifications just right in the language so we've had an iterative process with them but I would say that we didn't learn this till later in the process but I don't want to say exactly when because I don't have my meeting notes in front of me I don't know if this is feasible or appropriate but if it is would it be possible to participate in the methodology development process so that we don't have that problem in the future and in particular with regard to the slide 105 information about the ROI for the program long results I don't want to be delayed and then have some issue where you know here we are again that's something we'd like to explore like I said in my remarks we had staff level conversations we did not have analysts to analyst conversations and I think to avoid that kind of confusion or surprises I need to have closer conversations with the people actually doing the data analysis as opposed to having it channeled through staff that would strike me as beneficial especially given some of the delays that have happened and the long running budget order on the slide 105 I think I got this right but what that means is if we actually look at that benchmarking report theoretically the ACOs that they're being compared to on any particular category could actually be in the first percentile and then one care would be being compared really to a floor on any particular theoretically that's right I will say that again I want to speak for them but one care doesn't actually recommend being compared to that 90th percentile group for that reason they say they do their overall results based on the median but that is not exactly what we asked for we were looking for high performers not average performers so that's why we're here we feel like we're not getting a high performer piece but they agree with that because when you look at those 90th percentile measures some of them are lower than the median for that reason and so that doesn't really mean that and if I could add to that Marisa I think we benefit as we work with one care or we hope to work with one care to refine the benchmarking report methodology to kind of address this issue chair Foster in part so that we can so that we can see a median I think seeing a median is is appropriate and important to say you know art is one care you know in the top also knowing kind of what the ceiling is as you know you say not know what a floor is that that will be really important I could see us using those measures and in particular the median as for purposes like performance benchmarking in the future where we actually are setting targets in ACO guidance as we kind of suggested so I think you know this gives us a sense that you know when cares just slightly above the median but they're actually very close to the 90th percentile like it gives us a sense of what the range is for any given culture really beneficial I don't think they necessarily should be held to 90th percentile in every category across the board that be outstanding but I think that's a very high bar however I think seeing where there's more runway for improvement and seeing if those are areas where we have particular issues in Vermont would be very beneficial I don't think the goal is to say if you're not hitting 90th percentile or failure it's to see where we can really target resources or where they can target resources to have the most impact for Vermonters so I think that would be beneficial to have it as you had suggested as by each category I didn't have anything else and you guys know I appreciate this very much I won't echo everyone else but thank you all and with that I'll turn it over to the healthcare advocate for any questions or comments thank you Mr. Chair I will be very very brief I also I want to thank the board staff and the board for really doing due diligence here you know yes the presentation is important but also there's a tremendous amount of work that's gone into this whole effort and also recognizing the board questions and focus here the HCA has an opportunity where you know we are pushed to write our thoughts down in advance and we did we made our comments and there's no reason to repeat any of those we stand by them and thank you for your work thank you very much Mr. Fisher unless anyone else on the healthcare advocate team has any questions or comments I'll turn it over to public comment which will be via the raise your hand function and I'll call on folks in the order in which their hands are raised Walter how are you good to see you please go ahead hey Owen spend a while yeah we missed you I know I missed you too what do I do with that my weekly dose of the Green Mountain Care Boards I think so you'd have two opportunities you did yeah I got two doses right Tom and Dave asked most of my questions and I thank Dave for the question about executive compensation I just wanted to follow up on that because that is excessively vague all those words are which Dave pointed out and I just want to know who determines that what these executives get paid because they're in their six figures now at least the top executives and they've got a huge payroll the second question I ask is the phrase appropriate utilization again what does that mean is that the fairly generic phrase two and I think that's a lot of the problems I had with this budget presentation and I echo the thoughts of everyone to the staff I think they deserve a medal of honor for putting this together but everything about one care is so vague and that's a big problem I have with it I'll stop here thank you for your comments I wanted to have you back I don't have the answers and I don't endeavor to answer every question that's raised I think and one care can connect with you if they'd like but I think the executive comp is determined by their board of managers I think and perhaps the CEO has input as to folks below their level I don't know that specifically sitting here right now but that's my general gist is that the board of managers will determine that but thank you for the question and comment anyone else great well thank you everyone for the presentation today with that I'll turn to whether or not there's any old business to come before the board any new business and is there a motion to adjourn so moved second all those in favor all right wonderful thank you everyone have a great day


This is St. Tech, Hawaii. Immunity matters here. Good day, everyone. This is Soto Brown. I'm the co-host of Human Humane Architecture. And our host, Martin Despang, is currently visiting his homeland in Germany for Christmas. This is the day after Christmas when we're shooting this and recording this. And Martin told me last night that in Germany they get two days off for Christmas, the 25th and the 26th.  Not us. No, we don't have things like that. And if you look in the back of me, you will see that there is a picture of what we're today calling the host petroleum people parking winths. What does all that mean? Well, before we get into that, you'll also notice that there is a, you know, on that side there's a, no, there's that. Anyway, there's our host, Martin Despang. And behind me on the right, you'll see a palm tree branch. Now, Martin and I had this discussion last night that Germany is the home of where Christmas trees started.  That's where Martin is. But we're here in the tropics, so we don't need those. We're going to be looking at tropical things today. And the point of this program is, and this is Martin's kooky idea, but it's a good idea, that if we were to change our transportation needs here and if we were to shift to away from the private car to more public transportation, we would be able to possibly free up all these parking buildings that we have, in which we, in case we could accommodate lots of homeless people. And a lot of the parking buildings actually are rather nice. And so we're going to be looking at some of that parking today. But first, Martin wants us to emphasize where he is with a little video. Martin, what is this video? Well, hello everyone and Merry Christmas. Yes. Germany hasn't valued engineer the way the second day of Christmas, so we still have that. And how cozy and chilly it is here is this clip that you will see now, we'll show that. This was delivered to me by my sons, and I'm afraid they took it while being on the alzobon in a blizzard. So let's keep watching and enjoying it. Oh, I think we've had enough of that. We want to come back to the props. So, so me, yeah, and I'm feeling in this situation like if we can bring picture number one, there is this sort of, I feel like the Chevy Chase in this Christmas movie from the late 80s, early 90s, where he is having these dreams while looking out of his window and the Milliculiki Maka song is playing. That's right. And I'm also back with my sweetheart, Suzanne, here in Germany, and she has been visiting over the summer. And so we did a show that we call Tropical Tourism. And I revisited her point about calling one of the buildings in Waikiki, close to the Waikiki Circle, a shadow house. And this is what this picture is showing again. And this gets us into the next couple pictures. So number two is that big vision is going to show we're going to bring back some modes of transportation that we had and that we had lost. For example, we bring back streetcars that ran on Kala Kala Avenue and kept its feel and atmosphere of being tropical, of being exotic, being a jungle. And the two of us, we did a show about the Royal Wine Shopping Center where the architect in the 70s were respecting that and almost camouflaging the architecture to really bring back or to bring out the jungle again. Right? Right. These streetcars, number four, picture number four, ran up into the mountains. They were easy breezy. They were cool, literally and figuratively. Next picture, number five, then was then, now is now. This is referring to another show with a board member, Nicole Horry, who proposes sky driving. So gondolas, and I prefer ski lifts, which I'm riding in here, but it's rather chilly, but back home and why it's beautiful. And next picture, number six, is referring to another show that we did about the Blaisdell. And we refer to parking in a way that the very top picture left is who most Americans consider the most important architect, American architect, Frank Wright, but he was a fossil guy. And the car you see is a Lincoln Continental that he sort of pimped and got rid of the rear mirror and rear window because he always looked forward and never back, whereas who many, including me, consider the greatest American architect is the one below that, which is Luke Khan, who didn't even have a car. He walked everywhere. So no surprise that he had this vision of a little bit more moderate. He wasn't kicking out the car entirely, but he said, keep it out of the course and make these self-parking cylinders in this perimeter around the city. And so we suggested to incorporate that technology into the redevelopment of the Blaisdell. However, the picture at the bottom right is the newest proposal, and they seem to have been a little bit deaf about our suggestion to just dust off the exhibit hall. And now it seems to be replaced by something monstrous, but never mind. Let's move on. And actually let's now visit some of these structures that could be so easily sort of repurposed. And the first one that we showed is maybe the most obvious because I walk by there every Tuesday on the way to the show. And for the longest time, it was under the impression this is condominium, but it's not. It just looks like and only at the very top that has apartments and lofts and penthouses and a pool, which you don't even see from below. But this building looks like you could move right in. So let's maybe rephrase what traditionally we call homeless as you call it perfectly. Let's call them urban nomads because I think that does them more justice. So what's the next building that we can look at? That's also around the corner, right? Right. This is connected right to the building that we are in, which is on the right in this photograph, which is a pioneer plaza. And on the left is the former post office, first post office building built in the 1870s. And this building fronts onto King Street, but from the back side, which is what we're seeing here, from Merchant Street, we have this view. And one of the things we're going to be seeing, a great deal, is how do these buildings deal with cross ventilation? And how do they deal with some cases with disguising the fact that these are parking buildings so that you don't see the car? Some cases you do, some cases you don't. And as we go through this, you're going to see how all of these different techniques are used as we continue. In our next picture, this is one of the ones that, well, this is not one of Martin's favorites. There are two buildings here that are not Martin's favorites. One is the Waikiki Gateway and the other one is Elie Place, which is downtown. And both of them were built about in the early 1990s and included in this picture is two pictures of your hosts right now, DeSoto Brown and Martin Despang, as we looked back in the 1980s. We don't look the same as we did back then. One of the things about this building that certainly the Waikiki landmark that you see here is it does incorporate greenery, and that's what we're going to be seeing more of, but it's also got these very rounded curves on it that in some cases might look nice, in some cases might perhaps seem like they're overdone, but we don't need to get into too much of that. And next we have Kauaihau Plaza. Yeah, that's, we kind of just refer to the next two previous shows we did here about Tropical Brutalism. This is Kamehameha School of Headquarters, and we already said in that show it's actually more comfortable in the parking garage, which is in the same nature as the office building, because the office building got glazed in, and it's hermetic and sealed and all these things. Next picture, number 11, is similarly a parking garage in downtown, Brutalist style, that once again we feel it's sort of ready to move in. Number 12 is showing, this is a little Brutalist series here, this is a government building in Chinatown. Once again, where the parking almost looks like, you know, mundane, staclinized, as Kurt Sandberg likes to call it, it's all there, once again ready to move in. And so is the next picture, number 13, which is relating to a show we did about Ward Plaza. Ward Warehouse. We're back at Ward Warehouse, thank you. And at the bottom left, you see the current condition, it's demolished right now, but what's not demolished is what you see at the top, is the concrete parking garage. And I walked in and the very bottom right shows you actually the inside out, this is how the occupants, the inhabitants would look at it, and you look at the Starbucks, set the nice developments in Takaako, they're exclusive. So here if you could all of a sudden, you know, pay homage or do your duties as far as inclusiveness, right? And have some people who otherwise could not afford, not even in what they call affordable and could move in. Doesn't that look nice? I would like to do that. And would you like to move into the next London solo? Well, I'm not sure, I do have a house, so I don't need to move into that, but one of the things that we have seen occasionally is, usually as a rule, most buildings will put the parking on the ground floor and have the inhabitants and the stores and the offices on the upper floor. In this case, which was originally built as the Liberty House store and then became Macy's and now it's Walmart, the parking is up on the top and the ground level is reserved for things that pedestrians will interact with, mainly being the store itself. So this is usually not the way it's done, but in some cases when it is done, it's actually a better way, it's more people-friendly, let's say. It's absolutely. And the next one, number 15, is not that far away from the previous one, but time-wise, in the early 90s. And this is a building that's highly sort of disregarded and dismissed of Harbour Court. It's deeply zeitgeist and rooted in the post-modernism, but I always have to give it, and I heard the architect got chased away and food from the island, which is sort of sad because he really tried his very best. And this is where you parked, by the way, and one day we just walked back and just checked it out. And we're rather intrigued by the delicacy of these very thin metal louvers, they're angled. And so there's literally almost no view if you look at it from up front, whereas there's a lot of light pouring in and a lot of air coming through. So it's a very nice example. And once again, this is like, there was a show with David Rockwood a few shows ago where we talked about screens and providing privacy, which some of the parking structures don't necessarily do yet. Many do, which are the ones we show next. But this one here is really, really perfectly acquainted to even intimacy and privacy as sort of an inherent human need. Correct. And so it's the next one, number 16, which is a building by an architect that our next show will be about. It's Edward Killingsworth, and he did this apartment building here in downtown. And again, at the plinth or the base, you see horizontal louvers. They're not covering just the parking, but also some circulation elements. Once again, very nice, delicate, elegant building. And these sort of very fine lines are sort of accentuating the architecture. And maybe our most favorite, and this is why we choose it for the permanent background, is the next picture, number 17, which in the middle row of the pictures, we were digging out something that we were remembering from Chicago. When I was there and some 25 years ago as a student the first time, I was intrigued. It's sitting next to the Mies van der Rohe's IBM building. And it's by one of his disciples, short chipperade. And it's actually using the same Z-shaped aluminum profiles. I think in that case, they're kind of quart and steel or so. You see that detail at the second from left. And you were surprising me in saying, well, all these decades with all respect, you didn't think this would be a parking building, right? Exactly, exactly. Because it's so well disguised. It's such a nice base for the base of the high-rise tower. It's so dark that you kind of don't see it. You don't kind of really notice it. And yet it is, in fact, the parking structure. Now, one of the things that you have talked about, Martin, which is very important is, if people were going to move into these locations, one of the things that they would get, which many of us don't get, is free air circulation. They would not need air conditioning. And yet there would be, as you just pointed out, a certain level of privacy. So in some cases, this certainly would be better than living on the sidewalk. And in some cases, really rather pleasant, as opposed to living in, as you said, a hermetically sealed glass box. Yeah, and making this reference to maybe where it was inspired by this ship rate building, it certainly is sort of not original to the island. So it was imported, but it's not invasive. It's exotic because it's actually making more sense here than in Chicago because Chicago gets even more chilly than here, the windy city. And imagine that in the winter. So you won't be able to sleep in there, but here is where all we have to worry is the sun all year round. It's perfect, right? Correct. I agree. Let's move on to the next couple series, which is introducing another sort of means and methods to basically deal with the plinth. And this is my direct neighbor. This is the Queen Kapoleani Hotel by Ernest Hera, which is currently under massive renovation. And do you want to talk a little bit about what they did there? Well, the thing that's interesting to me is that we're talking about all these different ways of disguising or covering up parking structures. And in this case, what they chose to do was to create unique concrete structures that are shaped like breadfruit leaves or oolu. And so they are clearly acknowledging the tropical location of this building. They're doing it in a beautiful, interesting way. And yet it's serving the same screening function as the other things that we've already seen. Yeah. And there's this myth that the exotic music people were like recording in one of the rooms, maybe there in my building next door, and being inspired by the animals in the zoo and incorporating that into the music. And you can see Ernest having done that in the architecture, doing these sort of crazy, exotic, sort of precast concrete elements. And I get this to the next pictures. Number 19 is the first one. This is the, I think, called Surf Rider Ride Hotel or apartment building on Alawai. Next couple buildings are all on Alawai. And Alawai shows a couple of ways of doing it with breeze blocks. Breeze blocks. And this was a very common theme and we probably should have my colleague Lance Waters do a show about it who is currently researching that. And so number 20 is showing another one at the end of or beginning of Alawai close to the harbor. And I encourage you guys, when I took this picture, I got really up close and checked how deep they are. These are really, really deep. So there's hardly ever any sun getting in there. But there's still a lot of porosity for the air, as you correctly said, is able to flow through. And the next picture, 21, is probably the most generic. I mean, these are just rectilinear precast concrete boxes. And every once in a while, there's one sticking out. So there's a little bit of ornament there, but it's not decorative or ornamental, as you perfectly call it, right? Right, correct, correct. And we got one more, which is 22 is on Cudillo. Once again, it's a hotel and it's typically 60-ish. And these breeze blocks are almost like skirts, like drapery and very nicely textured and done. And one of the two things I like about these, one, they provide security and safety, in that you do not have to put in railings, because the entire wall serves as a barrier for people to not fall out. That's correct, yeah. And two, every one of these blocks is a different shape, has a different pattern. So in some cases, there's a certain similarity to all of these breeze block buildings, but in the same time, there is uniqueness, because every one of them is a little bit different. And so the next three ones are a little different theme of treating them. The number 23 is which we featured in one of the previous shows called Volcanic veneer. And the top two floors are basically standard 20-floor parking garages. And the architect brought this into the vertical. So you get these kind of ribbons. And the next picture, number 24, if you increase the density of these ribbons, you get more privacy, you get more shading. And on number 25 is a building that's entirely dedicated to parking. And that's a classic example. That's Mark's Garage in Chinatown. And we're saying there's this artist gallery in there. So if people who move in there after the cars are gone, they're going to be artists. And then you get this artist live work community, and that gets us back to how most of our culture started out. Like you had the work at the base, and you had the living at the top of it. Right. And that's the basis for urban living throughout the world in many situations, a two-story building. As you said, the commercial aspect on the bottom, and the living quarters above. And next picture is when I was in San Francisco a couple months ago, I saw that San Francisco is massively investing in mass transit. They're doing what we are struggling with to bring the rails basically into the core of the city. And there's this massive transit, multimodal transit station that they screened with this perforated metal, which in this case is purely decorative. And it's been this fashion, we can say, has been brought to the island. And the next couple pictures are some that you took, or we took together, different situations. That also shows these are actually the new developments by Howard Hughes, mainly in Cacaaco. And we drove by there at night, and they show, so if we can show number 27, we can show then the effect almost inverts itself, right? Camouflaging at daytime, the sort of safety light inside that has speeder in order to drive is basically going to reveal everything that you basically want to hide, which is a little bit absurd. And we were, I mean, if not Christmas, it's a ton of dream and have crazy ideas. We were saying, going back to the raw, to the authentic, to the wild, maybe even, why don't people go back to sleep when the sun goes down as they used to? Use some tiki torches, and then you have less sort of bombardment of fluorescent light tubes in there. And you get a way more gentle atmosphere for your sort of repurposed function of the building. So next picture is number 28, is another one of Howard Hughes. And here the architects start to decorate once again. They start to ornate. But these pinballs or wavelengths, whatever are post-modern sort of play, but they don't have any performative, as we define performance function in the building. So we would say next picture, also part of their complex is number 29. It's what's more pleasant. It just does the job. Horizontal louvers, that's all you need. Stick with that. And the next picture, number 30 is, which I'm still puzzled, and hopefully we find out one day, but I'm pretty sure this building has just been completed during the past couple of years and it's humongous, like 20, 25-story concrete monolith, entirely exclusively dedicated to parking. It's right at each one on the edge of each one. So once again, what a potential. You got a whole building that you could inhabit. How cool is that? And what do you think about the next project, number 32? Well, let's see which project that is. Let's go to that picture and see what it looks like. Okay. Thank you. This is in Cacaaco. This is kind of an interesting, if not sort of strange way to deal with a parking building. As you can see in the lower picture, the parking building is behind a thin wall, if you will, just one apartment deep of apartments. And the strange thing is that if you look in the upper right-hand corner, you drive right by somebody's lanai, which is just immediately to the right of that, and the lanai also has an unfortunate permanent guest on it, which occupies a good amount of space, which is the air conditioning unit.  Exactly. And another sort of a little absurd in another way, current application of that topic is the next picture, number 32. This is American Saving Bank currently under construction at the end of Baratania, close to Chinatown, and here in an era of the 21st century where we shouldn't dedicate buildings majorly to cars anymore, they still do. The major part of the building, the plinth, the big plinth is a big concrete box that's topped by some chores of office. And I have to give credits again once to the makers, since Grace Pacific, Rocky Mountain Precats, I mean, these are pristine panels, they're super, but the architect was decorating, was ornating, as you called it perfectly again, because the openings actually in this sort of massive block are rather small. And what looks like could be little slit holes are actually not, they're just sort of real yes, right, they're just shadow. So most likely it's going to be pretty hot in there, so maybe this won't be our most preferred easy breezy and new urban nomad dwelling. So the older the better, and the next picture, the number 33, another maybe not so good picture, this is the project that our friend and former guest in the show, activist reporter Kurt Sandburne, probably lost his job, because it's a risk-culting, and he was really critical about it, and I can extend the criticism down to our topic, because they put these pimples on, and these pimples don't leave any gap for any air, so basically in the pitch dark on the inside, and no air passing through, it's just decorative. At the bottom they do another part of the building, they do it right, they keep it clean, they keep it simple, right? Right, right, yes. And I think one of the ways that you can go in the next picture really takes it to the extreme, in which you have a mesh that is on the exterior of the building, and you use that to support the growth of plants. So in that case, you're completely open, you are as green literally and figuratively as possible, and as you pointed out, it might be rather pleasant to live inside there with a green wall of leaves and branches instead of a silent wall. Yeah, yeah, that's true. However, some of us, like we just talked about Kurt Sandburne and David Rockwood as well, they always make fun, and they say, it's like growing green beards on buildings, you know, maybe that's something for... What's that drinking that Scottish holiday called? St. Patrick's Day? That's what I was thinking of, exactly. So that's for the St. Patrick's Day. So the next one is maybe a little bit more pleasant, right? Right, right. This one I think is particularly nice. This is the base of the discovery, excuse me, Yacht Harbor Tower's condos, which were built in the early 70s. And it's got a step, as you can see, slanted backwards at an angle facade. And then in these planter boxes are ample growth of bougainvillea plants. So it really is very pleasant, and it disguises and yet does not... It's still honest. It still is honestly a building with concrete planters, but there's a great deal of greenery and flowers to really make it look much more attractive. And so the next picture is at the top left. I saw some guys who are ready to move in as well. This chicken here and its kids are obviously excited to be dwellers in a garage. And so hopefully the people below that here. And this is a project we've been promoting for a while. This is Primitiva. This is our invention and our solution. If you build a new building, and it's pretty much a parking garage from its structure, but hopefully on the picture, as you can see that it doesn't come across like that. It's a pleasant building that basically applies the methodology that you just perfectly explained with the picture before and the project before. And the next picture, second to last, if we convert our urban fabric back to walkability and mass transport, we free the streets from the cars and you can bring back vegetation.  Which last picture, number 38 is the end of the show. Again, why not dreaming wild at this time of the day? Maybe we bring a little bit of that into our goals for the new year. How about that? Well, there we are. So that's our fantasy view of what might happen to parking buildings if we were to repurpose them as post petroleum people parking plinths. I hope you're happy that I managed to say that correctly. You rehearsed and trained well. You didn't break any tongue because of that. So see you guys next week. Next week is going to be very special. It's going to be Tonya Molle, our Dukamomo president, chapter Hawaii, and our CEO, Jay Fiedel. And they will talk about something that we're interested as well. So they're talking about what happens currently to our magnificent mile, which is that strip of Capdeani Boulevard, pretty much from the convention center down to Picoa Street, which had some very nice mid-century pristine buildings, many of them by Frank Haines, which has passed away. And it gets developed in a maybe not so magnificent way. So let's be excited about that show. And we're going to be back in two weeks, right? Yep. So I'll be back here. Martin will be back. Everything will be back to normal, but until we all see you again, until next time on Think Tech, about your human humane architecture, Aloha.  All right. Okay, done. Done, done, done, deal. I can crash again. Yeah. Yeah. And you don't have to wake up in the middle of the night and all that nonsense. Exactly. Although it's always a pleasure.