Anti-transgrifter Olly London appeared on a recent episode of the H3 podcast and to say that it didn't go well for him would be quite the understatement, because he was utterly buried in one of the best takedowns I've seen since Sam Cedar vs. Jimmy Dore back in 2016, and I don't think that that's hyperbole. And for those of you who don't know, Ethan Klein is the host, so he very clearly did his research and he tried to disarm Olly London, so he kind of felt more comfortable sharing his most egregious takes. So it started out very polite, very formal, and Ethan allowed Olly to share his overall thesis, which is basically that the kids are being transed because they're being indoctrinated by adults. It's the same thing that you hear. He's not making an innovative argument. But as he begins to speak more and more, Ethan Klein dismantles every single point that he makes, and there's a couple of traps that Ethan Klein sets for Olly and he walks right into them. Now, before I share any clips with you, I've got a couple here. I do want to encourage you to watch the entirety of the debate. It's about two hours long, and I'd also say stay for the after part. Once Olly left, they continued to dismantle him and respond to Olly as he was rage tweeting about his appearance. It was just all around amazing. But without further ado, here's probably the most humiliating moment for Olly London because they set him up by getting him to denounce groomers and any trans merchandise appealing to children. But they dishew Olly. We'll put it that way. And it did not go well. You could tell that he was ambushed, didn't know how to react. Actually, since you bring it up, I have seen something troubling from a trans person that I thought was kind of gross. They were selling, it was like a kid's t-shirt with a trans person on it, and then they had like kid's toys with trans people on it. And it was kind of gross and groomy. Have you seen anything like that before? You know, I've seen t-shirts that the Lieutenant Governor of Minnesota wore, protect trans kids with a knife on it. You know, things like that. I've seen t-shirts that says protect trans rights with AK-47s on it and stuff. And you know, I don't think that's helpful messaging for, and that's just trans activists, by the way, Ethan. This is a small number of people, and that's who I'm calling out. That's who gays against groomers are calling out. It's not the trans community as a whole. Specific trans activists who have highlighted, so I have hijacked the trans movement. So actually, you know what's interesting, Ollie? If you go to your website right now, your merch website, I was actually talking about your merch.  And you're selling- No, that's not a trans woman. That's not a trans woman. That's just a K-pop picture of me. Okay, because this is you, I had a feeling you would say that, because here it is you wearing that design, and it's pretty obvious to tell that this is depicting you. This is from just like a month ago, and this is when you were trans. Buying my merch. Yeah. So do you think it's appropriate to sell this to kids? Well, it's a lunchbox with a picture of a K-pop cartoon. Well, it's you as a trans woman. It's me as a K-pop star. It's nothing to do with being trans or not. That's just the cartoon of me as a K-pop star. So it's not- But at the- That's not inappropriate. Right, but at the time you were a trans woman. Correct. At the time I was a trans woman, but there's nothing inappropriate with that. So it's you as a trans woman. That- I was a trans woman at the time. That picture does not depict me as a trans woman. It depicts me as a K-pop star. I find that interesting that you're willing to make that separation when you're making such general claims about groomers and stuff because to me, by your own definition, this is pretty grooming. And even if you go- It's the name of the picture. Hold on, hold on, what's that?  And if you look at the available sizes, it's just kids. Three to four? Do you think it's appropriate for a three to four-year-old to buy this shirt? Yeah, of course. Any K-pop fan, if they want to buy my merch, they're absolutely entitled to. There's nothing inappropriate with that merch at all. That is a trans woman, Ollie. You're not understanding your own logic. You're clutching at stores. You're clutching at stores. How am I- You were a trans- Okay, hold on. Let's follow this through. You were a trans woman when you made this. There's a picture of you wearing it. It's obviously you as a trans woman. Here's you as a trans woman. And here's you as a trans woman on the shirt, on a kid's shirt. How am I clutching at straws? Well, you're clutching at stores. It's an innocent cartoon. It doesn't say anything about indoctrination. The tongue is somewhat sexual. The tongue is out like that. It's a little disturbing. Ethan, come on. I'm doing a K-pop pose. You're just clutching at stores. No, why is the tongue out? I find that a little provocative. That was incredible. They're grooming kids, but I'm not grooming kids because I'm being depicted as a K-pop star, not a trans woman. But Ollie, you're not a K-pop star. You were, however, a trans woman and that merch was directly marketed to kids. But by his own definition, that doesn't make him a groomer, but LGBTQ plus people who sell like rainbow merchandise to children or drag queens who read to children, that's grooming, but your merch, that's not grooming. Unbelievable. Now, that lunch box comes up again and again and again if you watch the full interview and as you're going to see, Ollie gets increasingly defensive, doesn't know how to respond and whenever he tries to bring up this indoctrination or grooming, Ethan throws that in his face. It was just truly incredible to watch because he had no way of responding to it and it gets even better. But I want to move on from the lunch box thing because there is more here that was really, really good. So Ollie London presumably, he hasn't been on many shows where his talking points were challenged, but they were in this clip and Ollie ended up doing a complete 180 and it was just incredible to watch. So basically he cites a study, Ethan pulls up the study on the spot, shows him how he's misrepresenting the findings of the study and then Ollie London subsequently claims that he doesn't actually trust studies when Ethan cites a study that Ollie London doesn't like, that doesn't suit his narrative and the way that Ethan throws that in his face is very masterful. So let's watch. There's a lot of studies, there was a study in Finland by the top transgender clinic that was basically transitioning a lot of kids and they said around, I think it was around 45% of the kids had experience severe bullying so that led to their gender dysphoria. Let's see here. I have that theory you're citing in front of me. Tampere University, Finland, yeah. Here it is, let's read the conclusion. Here's the abstract and everything. Let's see. The conclusion says gender identity, especially non-binary identity is associated with both being bullied and perpetrating bullying even when a range of variables including internal stress and involvement in bullying in the opposite role are taken into account. This suggests that bullying during adolescence may serve as a mechanism of maintaining heteronormality which I think what that means is that the bullying actually results in people rejecting their transness in favor of heteronormality. I think that's... So it seems to be saying the opposite actually of what you've claimed it said. You don't hear the cases of the detransitions Are you aware, Ollie, that 99% of kids that transition do not regret it? No, I don't support that statistic. I think it's wrong because these clinics... From what authority do you disprove that statistic? Well, look, these clinics make these studies. They don't even do follow-up studies. There's an example of a clinic called... Do you not trust studies because you just told me to read one? I don't trust studies even if you say it's 27 studies. Then why did you tell me to read this one, Ollie? You use studies when it's convenient for you but you don't when it goes against your thesis. I don't understand your consistency with studies. Do we like them or no? Ethan Klein, the bait bro. It's official. That was remarkable. And that really was just a microcosm of the entire interview because Ollie London would make a claim and then Ethan Klein would debunk it with facts and logic oftentimes on the spot and Ollie just had no room to obfuscate.  I know what news article you're referencing.  Here's why. And Ollie London couldn't get any of his talking points to stick because Ethan Klein was on him. It was incredible. So one thing that Ethan tried to do that he wasn't successful at because Ollie London is at least savvy enough to give himself some plausible deniability is Ethan tried to pin him down on admitting that banning gender-affirming care for minors can be a death sentence because it leads to increased suicidal ideation but Ollie London refused to admit that that was basically his de facto position. So we're going to watch how Ethan handled that and as you're going to see, Ollie London had no idea how to respond so he just straight up shut down and there was this long pause between the both of them that was very uncomfortable but incredible to watch. You're denying them life-saving gender-affirming care. No, I'm saying give the kids mental health support. Yeah, you're saying use this avenue that doesn't work that's not going to work to prevent you from killing yourself.  You can only do the therapy that I approve of. You can only do the therapy that I say is okay for you, Ollie. You went through this whole gender transition.  Because I had that journey as an adult and even though I regret it, I was an adult but kids cannot consent so I'll say it again. Kids can't consent to anything. Kids can't consent to anything. But Ethan this is irreversible. No, it's not. Sometimes it's not. Most of the times it is reversible and when it's not reversible it's done under extreme care under doctor supervision.  How do you live with that?   How do you live with that?  You're going to have to reckon with that, Ollie. No, absolutely not. You're trying to paint me out as saying this. I'm trying to say that kids cannot consent. No, Ethan. Kids can't consent to anything. Kids cannot consent to irreversible hormones through surgeries. Okay, a kid needs to get his leg removed because he needs to get his leg cancer. Should he be able to get the leg removed? Well, if he has a cancer, yes.  He can't consent to have his leg removed. That's irreversible. They made $2.2 billion transitioning kids last year so it's the multi-billion dollar industry with a lot of power. So people make money from it so therefore we shouldn't let kids save their lives? No, you can provide kids. I'm not going to keep going on about this same thing. You can provide kids with the right mental health support on harmful hormones that can cause irreversible issues and when they... You're right, we should make it free. You're right. People shouldn't be charged for it. No? No, I'm just not going to keep going on about the same thing, Ethan. I need to go anywhere. It's quite late. That line about free healthcare was just... That was the cherry on top for me. Now, Ethan, during that clip that we just watched, he made a point about Olly London selling out his own community for attention and I want to actually play the clip because it came up before that, right, where he makes this point and he made a very, very strong argument as to how this is actually nothing more than a grit for Olly London, especially considering how quick the turnaround was. So let's watch that. I don't want to diagnose you. I'm not a psychiatrist, but there is some craving for attention, clearly, right? Good or bad.  You said about, like, Korean...  You could be a more authentic Korean. I mean, these are not serious things. You seem to be a provocateur. Is it possible that you are participating in this right-wing grift because, one, it's making you a lot of money and, two, it's getting you a lot of attention? Is that possible that you actually don't care and that your beliefs are empty? No, absolutely not. When I struggled with my identity for years, I generally was struggling and I was lashing out at bullies and the more I would get bullied online by YouTubers and people on TikTok, the more I would act crazy because I was trying to feel validated and loved and, you know, it was very unhealthy. The conservative movement has offered you quite an open hand. They're very glad to be using you as a mouthpiece against trans people, so it must feel good to be being accepted from somebody, even if it is at the detriment of many people who are at risk, trans people. It must feel nice to have people supporting you. I want to show you this clip from an interview from Piers Morgan, okay? I've got some pictures here of you as a woman. Yes. So how long ago was that? Was that quite recently? That was actually at London Fashion Week, so that was literally a month ago, so kind of a drastic change. So you went from a month, you went from trans woman at Fashion Week a month later to being on Piers Morgan denouncing the trans movement. When you said get off, take your time and talk and figure out who you are, that all happened within a month. Yeah, that right there tells you everything you need to know. Ethan is right. Allie London is so desperate for attention that he is willing to do anything to get it, even if it means throwing his own community under the bus. See, he carved out this niche for himself and it gave him exponentially more attention. Nobody's denying that this grift has been lucrative for him. It's been very successful. But to go from being trans to anti-trans within a month and now you're publishing a book less than a year later, it all feels very inauthentic. In fact, I'd argue it's as thick as Allie London's Botox-filled face. Now, knowing he was thoroughly exposed, Allie London immediately complained about Ethan on Twitter, writing, Tonight, I did an interview on the far-left H3 podcast because I believe in the importance of educating people about what is going on in regards to the gender-affirming care industry, even if they are pro-gender-affirming care. Out of all the interviews I have ever done, this was the rudest and most unprofessional person I have ever spoken to. The whole time I was interrupted, while the host tried to twist my words into my mouth, saying that because I'm against children being medically transitioned, that I support child suicide for not affirming their gender identity, and blaming me for children killing themselves, and then, ending the interview, calling me a demon, which is true, by the way, and it was based, absolutely below the belt interviewer who desperately tried to twist my words for clickbait and views. I believe in the importance of respecting others, despite their opinions, and believe in the importance of having sensible and respectful debate, but sadly, this person has no idea what respect really means. And that, my friends, is what coping sounds like, and as you saw, he was ratioed by Ethan Klein, and it was just another L that Ollie London took. But first of all, it is comical to describe Ethan as far left. He's center-left at best. Second of all, this clown talks about respect when he spends all day harassing people on Twitter like Dylan Mulvaney, despite the fact that he claimed multiple times during his appearance on H3, that he doesn't have a problem with trans adults, but yet, he sure is obsessed with people like Dylan Mulvaney, who seem a lot happier than he is.      So they're going to use you as long as you are useful, perhaps until you move on to the next phase of your grift, where you denounce the right and write a book about how you were co-opted by the right and became a transfer, but now you've forgiven yourself, but at the end of the day, everyone knows that you just want attention and nothing else, which is a reason for us to disregard every single word that ever comes out of your mouth again.


Hello everyone! Hello! Linda here from ITTT, back this week with another live session from me, just for you, for completely free, here on Facebook and also on YouTube at the same time. Thank you so much for taking some time out of your day today to spend it with me. I really appreciate it. And yeah, today we are going to talk about TEFL and COVID-19, the latest info, everything you need to know when it comes to teaching English abroad or also online at the moment, some changes that have been happening, some trends, all of that good stuff. So thank you so much for joining. If you have seen me before, my name is Linda. I'm going to do a brief introduction in just a second. But I also do want to mention that please don't forget to like and subscribe. We go live twice a week, one time me and then the other time, my colleague Lisa, who is a non-native English teacher from Russia, she has taught English in China and is now back in Russia and she's teaching English there and also online. 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So either you scan this QR code, or you can also just use the link that I'm going to share with you right now, and you get a 30% discount off of any TEFL or TESOL course with ITTT. So that's a huge chunk that, you know, you don't have to worry about, you can put that towards your travels when you do go abroad. So save that money. Why not? If you're not yet TEFL certified, or if you want to get a specialization, if you want to get the diploma course, this is a great chance to do so with this discount. Alrighty, then we have Juliana here. Hi, Juliana. Juliana is one of the people who really come here every week, and I'm so super grateful. So Juliana says, hi, Linda. I'm watching from Illinois. Yes, it's 7pm here. Yep. I am TESOL certified. I enjoy teaching ESL and Mandarin Chinese at my online tutoring platform. That's awesome. I also have an audio channel for teaching Shanghainese at Clubhouse. Yes, I have also, I have joined before. It's very, very cool. Yeah, if anyone wants to learn Chinese, is interested in learning Chinese, hit Juliana up. She's very talented, very motivated, very driven. She's a great teacher. I can recommend her. Awesome. Okay, then let's kind of go into today's topic. If you are watching for the first time, basically these live sessions, they take about 45 minutes to an hour. Sometimes it differs. Also depends on how many questions you guys have for me. So just don't be shy during this session. Always feel free to ask questions. There will also be a Q&A session at the end where you can ask questions that are maybe not related to today's topic. So yeah, all cool. And then we're just going to jump in. So Tefl and COVID-19, the latest info. Unfortunately, this pandemic is still going on. It's still affecting all of us around the world. Even I was, I spent two months back home in Germany in December. I came back to Korea after quarantine. I went through all that. So it's, it's affecting all of us. And many people, you know, who waited to go abroad to teach English are asking, you know, when can I finally go? Like what's happening? I want to go abroad and teach. I've been waiting, but the situation is still the same. So what's happening? Can I go abroad now? Are schools hiring? How do I find a job right now? You know, what kind of requirements are there right now? Just what's the situation? So that's what we're going to talk about today. Just also a disclaimer that these regulations and rules, they vary obviously from country to country, and they change all the time. So always do your additional research. A great resource is where our embassies. So if you want to go to a certain country, you already made up your mind, contact that embassy in your country and ask them for, you know, the most up-to-date concrete information and details when it comes to immigration and travel there. So, yeah. Then let's jump in. First things first. Yeah, that's already something I just touched on. So many people are just wondering, are schools still recruiting Tefl teachers at the moment? Are people hiring? Yes, yes. That actually never stopped like completely. It stopped in certain countries, but it never stopped altogether. So that was the good thing. Schools were always throughout this whole pandemic hiring in parts around the world. And now as the world is opening up more and more, especially to vaccinated, fully vaccinated people, you're going to have a lot of fully vaccinated teachers who are able to travel to their chosen destination to teach abroad, once qualified, once they have their Tefl or once they meet all the requirements, they have all their papers set. And these things now they can take longer to getting your visa and getting all your documents. So the process is taking a little longer than before, but schools are hiring and there's actually a global shortage of English teachers, especially in countries like China and Thailand and South Korea. So those are really good countries right now. They're looking for teachers eagerly. There's so many open positions to fill. China was closed off for a long time, and then they were hit by this new regulation from the government with online teaching. So now they're really looking into more in class teaching and even public schools in China are now hiring English teachers. So you're going to find a lot of positions there, but they also change some of their requirements. It's not as, they have been strict for years, but now it's even more strict. So really make sure you do your research when it comes to China. Thailand is now fully open again. Yay. Super excited about that. And they are hiring. And so South Korea, South Korea is open, but you do need to quarantine.  But again, this depends from country to country. In South Korea at the moment, you do need to quarantine, but it's been reduced to seven days.  You will be provided an apartment from your school typically, and you'll be able to quarantine there versus at a hotel or government approved facility, which costs money. So you'll be able to quarantine for free in your own apartment in Korea if you decide to come. And it's reduced to seven days now. So that's what it's like in Korea. It's different in other countries, right? So always, that's what I mean. Like disclaimer, always do your research and check for individual countries. And it changes all the time as well. So that is the thing. Basically, yes, schools are hiring. So do not despair. You can find a job, right? And the next question will be then that, well, how can I find a TEFL job right now? How do we go about basically kind of the same as before, right? And I did a live session about this topic not too long ago, where I mentioned seven or eight great resources or sites or ways to find a TEFL job. So I'm going to mention just a few right now. If you want to see all of them, I recommend you go back into our playlist and watch that video. It was from maybe three weeks ago, three live sessions ago. So go ahead and check that out. But one of the first things I always like to mention because many people, especially if you have not taken a TEFL course with ITTT yet, don't know that we actually have lifetime job support at ITTT. So what does that mean? That this is not a 100% guarantee for you to get a job because we can't give you 100% guarantee. So it always depends. Some countries have stricter laws and regulations than others. And it depends on your skill set, your background, your nationality oftentimes. So there's no 100% guarantee. But what our lifetime job support is, is we are doing our best to find a teaching position for you. So you would tell us where you want to go ideally. And then we do our best to find a job there for you. This means you have access to our database of potential employers. We ITTT has been around for more than 25 years. And so there we have a lot of a great network of people, schools, recruiters, anything like that. And they send us their job offers. And there's some that, you know, they give us exclusive leads to unadvertised jobs. So you only find these jobs at ITTT. They only share them with us. They only like to hire ITTT people because they know our courses and they trust the quality that we offer basically. You'll also get advice on constructing a high quality CV or resume. You'll also get advice on writing cover letters and assistance with planning trial lessons for job interviews. So sometimes when you have a TEFL interview, the employers, they will ask you to teach a trial lesson so that they can see your teaching style. And we can also help with that. That's something that's very common when you interview in the TEFL world. So we'll also provide help with that. The reason why I say this, we don't have like 100% job placement guarantee is that for example, a lot of people want to go to Korea. Well, if you want to go and teach English in Korea, you need to be a citizen of one of seven countries only, which are English speaking countries, right? So that is Canada, the USA, Ireland, the UK, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand. If you're not one of those, if you're not a citizen of one of those countries, you cannot go to Korea basically to teach. You cannot get the teaching visa. So, you know, some people might not know that and they want to go to Korea and they're set on that. And then we have to tell them, look, unfortunately, this is what it is and we can't make that happen. But, you know, if you like Korea, then maybe you would also like Japan. Similar culture. It's also in Asia and they don't have this kind of regulation. So this is why a consultation is very important. And I really encourage you to contact us at courses at tsell-teffel.com and speak about that.  And then we will recommend the course, the right course and the right actions that will get you there. Or we offer great alternatives, for example. Okay. So this is one thing. We have the ITTT lifetime job support. And what's great about this, it never expires. So even if you took a course, if you take a course this year, but you don't decide to teach, you teach, you want to teach in two years, you can still contact us and we'll help you or five years or 10 years later, no problem. Hey, yes, T. Jude asks, hi, can I teach abroad as a non-native? Where can I go to if yes, thanks ITTT? Yes, you can, absolutely. So there are definitely destinations where you can teach English as a non-native speaker. There are many. And I think my colleague, Lisa, or even I did a live session about that before mentioning all the different countries and places. So go ahead and go into our playlist and look out for that. But yeah, like I just mentioned, so Korea, not one of them, you need to be a native speaker, but then Japan does allow non-native speakers. You just need to be fluent. And I believe most of the time then you would have to have an English proficiency certificate. So an IELTS, a Cambridge certificate, a TEFL, something like that. But there are many. And you'll also find information about that on our FAQ page. So you can go here, TEFLcourse.net slash FAQ. And you'll see this question in there as well. And you'll see the countries listed. I just don't remember by heart now. So I don't want to say anything wrong, but there are countries out there for sure, especially Southeast Asia or Latin America. They are usually open to non-native speakers and Japan. Okay, let me take a sip of my coffee. Very good. All right. So this is one way to find a TEFL job with our ITTT support. We also have an ITTT job section that a lot of people also don't know about. So if you go to TEFLcourse.net slash TEFL minus jobs, you'll see a list of different countries. And so you can filter by countries or you can look for online jobs. There's one here too, an online section. Can you see my mouse? Barely. Or continents. So you can find up-to-date current vacant job offers, vacancies on there as well. Completely free. You don't actually need to be a ITTT course graduate to access this page. So it's a great resource. Just wanted to put that out there and mention that as well. And also that we have a partner page as well. So that's TEFLcourse.net slash EFL minus ESL minus jobs. And you'll find our recruitment partners and school partners listed on there. So we have, for example, Reach to Teach, ESL Starter and Footprints, which are very big recruiters for Asia, but also other parts of the world, Middle East, really all around the world as well. We have HelloTeacher and GEM. These are all recruiters that we work with that we recommend. And the great thing about recruiters is that they know the local market, the local teaching market. They know exactly what cities are hot at the moment. They know all the hiring seasons and tips for that. And they also don't cost a thing for the teacher. The school pays the recruiter for their services. It comes at no cost to you to use a recruiter. And that's a great thing because why not take advantage of that and use them and their knowledge of the local market. So I think that's really great. So do check those out as well. They're a great resource. You can just hit them up. You can say, hey, I learned about you guys in an ITTT live session. This is what I want to do. I want to go to teach in Korea, for example, and they will help you out with that. Yeah, TEFL and COVID-19. We need to talk about the unprecedented demand for online TEFL teachers, right? So there has been a huge increase in the demand for online teachers. And it's great because you can earn money from home or anywhere around the world. And myself, I started teaching English online in 2021 during the pandemic because I had been teaching several face-to-face classes, but they all stopped because of COVID restrictions, et cetera. And then I was like, before that I was never really into online teaching. But then I thought, you know, why not? Let's just give it a try. It's super easy to sign up. It's super easy to set up your profile. And it doesn't take a lot of work. And I tried it out and I've really, I've been really enjoying it. And I just hit 300 completed hours, I believe, on the platform that I work for. And ITTT has also partnered with a platform. And that is Preply. Preply is one of the leading, one of the biggest online teaching platforms out there. You might have heard about it before. And yeah, we have partnered with them. And that means that you can now apply to become a tutor on Preply. And you can design your own schedule and you can charge whatever you like. You can set your own price. And you'll also get free professional development courses and webinars from Preply as an ITTT course graduate. So if that's something that you're interested in, then go and check out this link down below. It's Bitly. It's a Bitly link and then slash Preply minus ITTT. And it'll take you directly to the Preply sign up. And the great thing about Preply is also that you can, you don't only have to teach English, you can also teach a different language. So for example, me, because I'm both German and American, I actually teach English and German. And I actually have a lot of German students, which has been a lot of fun. I learned a lot about my own language that I did not know, because I did not take like a TEFL course for teaching German before. So I've always been very reluctant to teach German. I had my TEFL course, I did that I knew. And so I learned how to teach English, but I never had that with German. And that's why it's been a challenge. But super, super interesting in it again shows you just how important a TEFL course is. Because only just because you are a native speaker, it doesn't mean that you can actually teach the language, which this experience has definitely validated this fact. So yeah, go ahead and check that out. If you're interested in teaching English online, like I said, I started teaching English online about exactly a year ago, actually, it was February. And I've been really enjoying it. It's been so much fun. I got to learn, I got to know so many new people. And it's fun. I like it. So I highly recommend it if this is something that you're interested in. If you want to work from home, if you want to make your own schedule, create a flexible lifestyle, this is great. Or it can also be really great for now if you're like, Hey, I want to go teach English abroad, but I can't go right now for whatever reason, try online teaching, because you can actually gain teaching experience this way. So that when you're ready for going abroad to teach, you then already have experience under your belt, and you can show your potential employer. Hey, look, I've been already, I've already been teaching. I have this experience. So that's a huge plus. So yeah, just wanted to mention that. So that is that. And then yeah, another question to talk about many people are asking at the moment. Well, so how can I get Tefl or TESOL certified during the COVID-19 pandemic during the crisis? What can I do? Well, the good thing is that we offer a wide variety of courses. You don't have to actually go anywhere to take a course. You can with an in-class course. But it's super easy to get Tefl or TESOL certified because you can take an online course, right? And actually the online courses are the most popular ones at the moment. I've only taken online courses. And I was skeptical in the beginning as well. I had never taken an online course before. So I was like, ah, I'm not sure. But you know what? Great experience. I got my certificate, exactly the same one as pictured here, obviously without the sample thing on it, the watermark and with my name. But yeah, I was super happy. And I enjoyed the experience. And I have taken three other ITTT online Tefl courses since my first one back in 2014. So yeah, this is what you can do. And this is actually the most popular one, the 120-hour Tefl certificate from ITTT. It's 100% online. So you can actually study at your own pace. You have up to six months to complete the course. This is the course that I also took. It has 20 units. Talk about teaching methodology, teaching skills, but also English grammar. So you know kind of what English learners are struggling with and how to effectively then teach this grammar point. At the end, you will get an embossed hard copy delivered to you, to your door, anywhere in the world, wherever you are. And we also have notarization services available. This is sometimes needed for people who want to teach in China, where I believe, I believe also in Vietnam, some people require that. It's very rare. But we also offer that it's just an additional stamp on your certificate that some employers or embassies require. And this course starts at 249 without tutor. And then the tutored version is 339 where you have a tutor that you can ask questions and kind of who helps you study throughout the course. And so you can use our 30% off opportunity. And then it'll be even cheaper than that. So I'm a language person. I'm not really good at math. So just imagine 30% off of 249. I should have done this before and calculated and wrote it down, but I didn't. I'm sorry. But 30% is a lot. So it's going to be a lot cheaper than that. Then we also have specialization courses that are great if you're already certified. For example, we have a specialized technical course in teaching business English or teaching online or teaching young learners. So children. And I actually have all of these specializations because all of these three fields interest me. And I've had the opportunity to work in all of these fields here in Korea. So that's why I decided to get these additional certifications. And they start at 175 or 275 with tutor. And they're also really great to have. Not only to just build on your own knowledge, but also to have additionally in your portfolio to stand out from the crowd to be different, to have additional chances and get other opportunities. So if you're already certified, maybe a next step can be a specialization course. Then I also wanted to briefly touch on the bundles that we offer. So for example, one of the most popular bundles is actually the 220 hour master package, which is the 120 hour course I just talked about, plus two of the specializations, the business English and the young learners course. And if you buy the bundles, it is actually cheaper than buying the individual courses. So I just wanted to mention that here, we also have the 470 hour professional package and the 550 hour expert package, which is the highest level of course that we offer. So as you can see, the 550 hour course, for example, really includes six courses in one. So this is the highest level you can get, which is really great. If you already know you want to teach where you want to teach and you want to teach for a long time, you want to do his career long term, then this kind of course package is ideal for you. All right, let's move on. We also have our face to face courses. And they are running as well. So these are all the locations that are running in 2022. They have course dates available. So a face to face course is basically an in class course, a four week course. You will spend four weeks at one of these locations of your choice where you will train to become a TEFL TISO certified teacher with other trainees in a classroom. And you have sessions with a teacher trainer who will teach you all the theoretical parts, all the basics, but then you also have the opportunity to teach actual English students there. So for example, like in the picture, you either get to teach children or you get to teach adults. It depends on the training center, but you will get the teaching practice in. So this is a great, great benefit of the in class course. And that's what a lot of people want to do. And so you can. It's not because of COVID. Some training centers are not operating. Some were not operating before, but now some regulations have changed and eased. So these are all the locations that are currently in 2022 running and accepting people. So if you're interested in one of these locations, again, let us know. Feel free to email us if you want to take an in class course and courses at TESOL minus TEFL.com, one of these locations. I mean, they're all gorgeous. I just really wish I could go to all of them. Yeah. So these are open for business, face to face courses. And again, you can also use the 30% discount off of the course deposit for the in class course. So if you're interested in an in class course, you can also use this 30% discount code for that. We'll also save you a great chunk of money. Good. This was all about the courses and how that works during COVID-19. Something I also want to mention is the teaching English timeline. This is something that we at ITTT use or have come up with and we use to explain sort of the process with TEFL. Because a lot of people are asking, what does it look like at the moment? And I mentioned in the beginning that things take a little longer these days due to COVID. And it's still true. But again, it depends on what you want to do. So let's have a look. Number one, the first step that you would do is choose a TEFL course, right? For example, the 120 hour course. If that is, you know, fits for you and your goal, what you want to do, you would pick that. And then you would second step work through the units, right? And as we learned before, you have up to six months actually to complete this course. So this is great for people who are maybe working, they don't have so much free time. You have up to six months to complete it. When I took my course, I was working full time and I finished my course in about three and a half, four months. So that's how long it took for me because I was working full time. If you have more time, you can do it quicker. It really depends. Once you have completed it, you will then, this is the third step, receive your hard copy certificate in the mail, right?  And then you can basically apply for jobs right away. You don't need the actual hard copy one to apply for jobs. So this is number four, you apply for jobs, you interview, you use the tips that I gave you in the beginning to apply, to look for jobs, et cetera, and to prepare for an interview.  And number five, you start teaching. So this process can take anywhere from four to six months and more. I want to stress the end more part. So if you want to teach English online, for example, four to six months is definitely reasonable, but people who want to teach abroad, it's going to take longer. And I mentioned this last week as well, I think the same timeline. If you want to teach for programs like in Korea, the Epic program, the English program in Korea, English teaching program, they usually recruit even almost a year or nine months prior to the start date. So then you already need to have your TEFL by then. So you need to start a year, a year and a half before your desired start date. So the earlier you start, the better. It's what I'm trying to say, the earlier, the better. But for online teaching, I mean, this can go really quickly, right? But if you really want to go abroad, you need to get all your documents in order, you need to go to the embassy, et cetera, you need to get this stamp and this document and this thing and this thing. And that takes time and that can really take a year. Yeah. If you're serious about going abroad, you should really start thinking about this a year and a half, a year in advance. And one of the first things to do should be to take your TEFL course. So you already have that out of the way and you can worry about other things. All right. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. That's what I'm here for. Don't, no need to be so quiet. All good. All good. Yeah. So here are some tips for teaching English in 2022 related to COVID and the current situation. First thing is to definitely get certified, get TEFL certified, or if you're already TEFL certified, upgrade your existing certification to over 120 hours. So you can do this by choosing specialization courses, the ones that I mentioned. So business English, teaching English to young learners and teaching online. Or if you are not yet certified, but you also want to get the 100 plus hours bundles, choose one of the bundles. And that's actually going to be cheaper as well. And you can use the 30% off thing because now things are getting more open and more competitive when programs or schools were not hiring so much before. Now they are hiring a lot again. So all the people who couldn't go abroad in the previous two years are now going abroad and the competition is really fierce. So you want to be prepared basically. You can also enhance your resume with professional development. This is this point. You can either, for example, take an observed teaching practice course from ITTT. This is to get teaching practice and certificate that you also have practical teaching skills on top of your online certificate. This is really good. You can also do volunteer teaching in your community online teaching to get experience. You can also take a couple of MOOCs. These are these free, what does it stand for again? I forget, the free online massive open online courses. That's what it stands for. Just remembered massive open online courses that are available on all different sites. Some of them completely free. You can take courses. And my colleague Lisa, she actually knows a lot about this stuff. And she mentioned that in one of her previous life sessions as well. So if you have any questions about which MOOCs are good for teachers, I recommend reaching out to Lisa. Any language certificates, especially for non-native English speakers, right? So English proficiency, what I also mentioned earlier, a tuftle on IELTS, the Cambridge certificate. Any of these things are great to add to your professional development. And then the third big tip I have for you is to work with different recruiters and experts. So I already mentioned that we have ITTT lifetime job support. We are working with recruitment agencies. Those two things I already mentioned, and they are great. This is something that you have access to as an ITTT TEFL course graduate. Then we also have different TEFL forums that you can find online. TEFL blogs. We have a TEFL blog on our website. There's tons of other ones. Or blogs by people like me, for example, who live abroad and who wrote about what it's like teaching there and give tips and resources from the ground, so to speak. That's really great. And also Facebook groups. Of course, there's no live session without me mentioning Facebook groups. I've done this many times before. I like Facebook groups. Yeah, there is really a group for everything. I showed this in my live session about finding jobs. But if you just put in into Facebook and the group search like ESL teachers in Korea or TEFL teachers in Asia or whatever, there will be a group for it. And a lot of people, a lot of teachers, when they leave a school or leave a position, they actually will share that job offer looking for a replacement for that school. So this is a great resource. And also LinkedIn. Want to mention that. LinkedIn is also a great resource. I mentioned that in my other live session as well. So these are my tips for teaching English in 2022. Despite COVID, it's possible. People are recruiting. And it's now just up to you to a little bit fine tune and put a little bit of spice on your professional portfolio to stand out from the crowd and to then make it happen. Go abroad. Yeah, that is it. Just want to mention before we go into Q and A that you can find it, TT online, as many of you are right now on YouTube or on Facebook, but we're also on Twitter and we're also on Instagram. And TEFL course.net. And you can email us at any time. Again, the email address is courses at T so minus TEFL.com. And you can also reach out to me if you want on Instagram at Linda goes East, send me a message. Yeah, just say hi. I'd appreciate it and give me a follow. That would be great. And then we are going into Q and A. Just want to mention again, we have this 30% off opportunity. You can scan this QR code over here and get 30% off any TEFL or T so course with it TT or I'm just going to share the discount link one more time because some of you might not have seen it. It looks like this. TEFL course.net slash apply slash. And then the end part is really important because this link with this ending Facebook live minus Linda will get you 30% off today. All right. Just want to make sure that everybody understands if it doesn't work. If you have any problems signing up and you don't get the discount, let me know. I'll help you. I'll help you figure it out. No problem. Reach out to me at Linda goes East on Instagram or reach out to us courses. What was the email courses at T so minus TEFL.com. All right. Good. And then we are going into Q and A now. So feel free to ask any questions you might have about TEFL T so teaching that maybe I did not answer today or maybe something was not clear or you have a different question about something else. Feel free. I'm still here to answer them. We still have a little bit of time. So don't be shy. Don't be shy. Or maybe I answered all of your questions, which is great that I did a good job. But yeah, feel free.  I always say that. Don't be shy. Now is your opportunity. Or if you don't want to ask a question in front of everybody, no problem. Send me a private message on Instagram and ask me there. Totally cool. Everything is cool. And then I'm just going to make myself bigger again. Hi. So you can see me better. And I hope today's session made sense. You took something away from it. Yeah, that's all I can say about that. Good. We have a question here from Litturg who says, thank you so much, Linda, for your live session. I really appreciate your tips, advice, and information you shared. I even take notes. No, wow, that's awesome. Great. I enjoyed the session very much. It's worth watching. Yay. Thank you so much. Happy weekend. Happy weekend to you as well. Oh, that makes me so happy. And you even take notes. That's awesome. That's really great. Thank you. Thank you. This really means a lot. It really means a lot. You know, we've been doing these live sessions now for over a year, like a year and three months. And in the beginning, it was kind of challenging. I don't normally like talking on camera like this.  And I really enjoy coming on every week now and meeting the same people and new people.  And I enjoy it. I don't want to miss it now. I want to do it every week. I'm so excited to do it every week. Really enjoy it. And yeah, the most important thing for me is that you learn something from it. You take something away from it. That's the most important thing. So if you ever have any topic suggestions, do let me know. Then I can talk about that in the future. Anything teaching Tefl related, let me know. Then I'll make a session about that. And yeah, don't miss out on our 30% discount if you haven't yet. If you are yet to be certified. All right. Well, if there are no open questions, all right. Juliana to Juliana. Thank you. Juliana says, thank you so much for sharing these informative tips with us. I learned a lot from this live session. Thank you. You're so sweet. Everybody's so sweet. I love it. Great. Thank you guys so, so much. And we really appreciate you. I know that a lot of you guys are coming back every week or maybe not every week, but I recognize your names, your profile pictures. So thank you guys so much for your support, your continued support. You're still here after so many weeks of live streaming. And we just really appreciate that. And yeah. Good. If there are then no more questions, then I'm going to leave. I'm going to sign off because now is the part where I start rambling and we don't want that. So this is me saying goodbye now. And I hope to all see you all again next week. Same time, same place. Yeah. If you have a topic idea, do let me know. Then I will be covering that.  And thank you so much for watching again. And I'll see you again next week then. Okay. All right. Good. Then have a lovely weekend. All of you. Bye.


We were back live at VMworld 2012. I'm John Furrier, the founder of SiliconANGLE.com. This is theCUBE, our flagship telecast. We go out to the events and extract the signal from the noise. And we're excited day three. We're kicking it off. I'm here with my co-host Dave Vellante, founder of Wikibon.org. And our guest is Dean Steve Herrod from VMware CTO. Busy guy out in the field last night, AT&T Park with NetApp. Talking to all the partners, great keynote. CUBE alumni, welcome back. Thanks. My fourth VMworld on theCUBE, or is it my third? I think third or fourth VMworld. We've had you on before in other venues, I believe. That's right, structure. That's great. How do you feel? I mean, obviously VMware, one of the things we were commenting on at the end of day one when we were wrapping up was, VMware is moving very, very fast beyond just looking at VMware. And people who know VMware know that's always been the focus. VMware and moving that together and going back two years, Paul Merritt's announced it, you know, the map and the roadmap and laid that out. Now this year, it's bigger. Bigger vision, a lot more going on around that and orbiting around VMware ecosystem conversations. Pat Gelsinger, you're doing a lot of meetings with partners, so tell us what's the vibe like out in the ecosystem now that we're two years out post the big announcement from Paul. What's the ecosystem like from your perspective? Yeah, I really enjoyed this event in particular. Obviously larger on all fronts, 20,000 attendees, which is quite fun. And I think my favorite time always at these events is going to the solutions exchange where you go out and you see the different partners, what they're doing and how they're integrating. And we certainly saw it here again. What's also very nice, I think we've helped the industry paint a vision of where things should go with the Software Defined Data Center, which you've heard a lot of people talking about. And I think each vendor recognizes that's how things are headed and they're looking for how they contribute in that new vision. And you can, again, you can just see it in the announcements that have come out and then the solutions exchange demonstrations. So one of the things we want to talk about, Dave and I want to drill down on is obviously Software Defined Networking. This year announcement was the big event that's happened recently. And it rivals kind of like the spring source in terms of the impact to what it means. Obviously it's a lot more in terms of dollars. I think Jay Shree from Arista called it the Instagram for networking. Big huge acquisition. But first, let's talk about data, data infrastructure. So Dave and I are introducing this concept that we like called data infrastructure where converged infrastructure is a great vision, it's been happening, but now data is in the center of the value proposition and it's changing some of the architectural components. We see that with Flash. So what's your vision around data infrastructure or data-led infrastructure these days? Because there's a lot of on-premise reconstruction going on around architectures, different use cases, depending upon the company, that's got to go work with clouds. How are you seeing this data-centric infrastructure? That's a great area to discuss. So we definitely see that we can make the Software Defined Data Center be unique in the history of IT and that it can be one platform that really works well for your existing applications, but it has to be relevant and help out the new type of application architectures coming together. And I think if you look at the past of IT, it shows up that you've created infrastructure for a specific application need. That in turn has led to silos which have led to a lot of inefficiency. So we're particularly interested in these data-generated architectures is if you go out right now, you might see people beginning to experiment with them and they're creating a proof of concept as a new standalone part of an infrastructure. So these are silos that have not yet been invented. And so we really want to get in the middle and avoid them there. So towards that end, there's some things you really need to do in this new Software Defined Data Center towards them. And we announced a couple of things around flash recognition. And we're beginning to treat direct-attached storage as a first-class citizen in this new environment specifically to get the bandwidth and the things you need for these new applications. Okay, we said storage was sexy back in EMC World 2010 with Joe Tucci. Remember, and he's like, You couldn't get him to agree, but we coined that term. You said storage, we used to be called Snorage about now, storage in the center of the value proposition. At least data, right? And obviously big data is the big buzzword that really talks about mobility and apps, et cetera, at the top of the stack and user experience. Question I have for you is, you talk to the community a lot, obviously the technical community and VMware's got a huge community that's growing. What's the impact of the systems that are built around Software Defined Data Center networking? What's the impact those systems will have on the new environment that you see? When you talk to people, what are they saying to you? Like, wow, this is going to be really revolutionary in this way. Can you share just some of the things that anecdotally you heard, or things that you specifically were involved in where these new systems are going to have an impact and specifically areas that you think that are going to be relevant? It's fun because I think it's both technology impact and it's also operational impact. And we're seeing this every one we speak with. Technology-wise, it's certainly about how do we abstract out this infrastructure in new ways? How do we pull it together so that you can more easily dole it out? And then the most important reason for all of this to automate more than you could in the past and thus move faster and move less expensively. So everyone likes that technology shift and again you'll see all the hardware vendors looking at that angle, you'll see software vendors looking at it. But the harder part I think in many cases is how do I as an existing IT department prepare myself for this new area? Some more on the technology side but I think one of the more impactful things we did at this event is launch a cloud operations set of instructions. And these are things like how organizations change when you get to a successful model, how the different silos you have in your org might need to collapse. Even a fair amount of IP around process changes. So I think it is kind of neat because you have to change both to get the full benefit of this new approach. So I'm curious, Steve, it's your point of view on the following. So I understand the operational impact. I'd like to drill down to the business impact a little bit. Two things strike me. One is you're just talking about more flash and becoming more flash aware. And the other is Hadoop, the way you're reaching out to the Hadoop ecosystem. One of the things that the data-led infrastructure premise that we have is that big data analytics will feed transactional applications in near real time. If we can define real time as before you lose the customer. And that requires new data infrastructure, maybe flash led, where the point of control is really the server or the VMware really to do things in near real time. So will that lead to, first of all, is that premise, do you agree with that? And will that lead to business productivity impacts that are dramatic? I love this area, it's a great one to discuss. We briefly, on our first keynote, only showed a real smidgen of what we were thinking the world looks like as we head forward.  And on that exact same infrastructure, we were able to deploy and run Hadoop. We just showed a little bit of it, but can deploy it quickly. And we're actually using the same infrastructure to have more analytics going on at nighttime, more web traffic, for instance, during daytime. But it's kind of neat if you can get to that same architecture, you can very quickly move back and forth between them and the data is in one place so that you can't operate in near real time. And especially for kind of these web analytics, we're able to go in and say, I can give you recommendations or that sort of thing. Real time is before you lose a customer for most of these cases. So I think if you can share the infrastructure for the two types of data, you really get a benefit there. Okay, and I wonder if we could come back to the flash piece.  PolyNIST of Intel. Really, she's talking about the spinning disk, but not only the spinning disk, the things like SCSI protocols were very chatty. Do you envision the day where we can get to a point of atomic rights and maybe two orders of magnitude, greater application performance, again, getting back to the point of driving business productivity beyond just operational productivity and doing more with less? Absolutely, and I think, again, there are some great announcements on the floor here of everyone doing all flash arrays to things that are plugging into the PCI slots. And I think about it right now as another layer in the hierarchy of speed. So you have on-processor caches, you have memory, now we have a new rung, which is flash, and then you have traditional storage and archival storage. And if you really think about this continuum, then people are gonna find ways to get the things that you access most frequently into those layers. And that's what we launched an initiative called VFlash, virtual flash, which tries to treat flash memory on servers just as we're treating memory and CPUs today and really let people dole it out quickly and leverage it. But I think it is a profound change on not just the storage industry, but just overall, as you said, application performance and even architectures too. Steve, I want to ask you about Nasir, I talked about server-defined networking and server-defined data center. Obviously, that got everyone's attention. Great messaging, which by the way, I totally believe in the data center of the future being very software, very big data-driven. And we've been following it since 2007 in terms of things like probes in the network and all kinds of kind of new operating system, if you will, new operating environment. So kudos to that, we're 100% behind you on that as a vision. But right now, server-defined networking is what people know around Nasir, but has the word networking in it, right? So data infrastructure, conversion, storage and compute. So server-defined data center, take us through your vision, connect the dots between server-defined networking, a la network virtualization, and server-defined data center, and bridge that and share the folks that roadmap because this confusion is server-defined networking, networking or data center, and how does that fit into this data infrastructure that we're promoting in the future? Yeah, I think it fits very well into what you're discussing. And it's a little bit ironic because I think that the CPU and storage side of the world has moved a bit more towards software-defined abstractions than network is yet. But I think the reason so many partners and so much of the ecosystem is looking at the notion of software-defined networking is because it is one of the more rigid aspects of a data center today. And it really is one of the things that keeps you from really making your whole data center be- You can say bottleneck. I don't know about bottleneck, but certainly the complexity and a lot of the rigidness, it ultimately doesn't let you automate as much as you need to. And so I think that's why there's been such a big recognition of it. So specifically, software-defined data center is a way of pooling all of the resources of your data center together and using automation to dole it out as needed. Software-defined networking is one of the most important pieces that remains to really do a good job on to allow that vision to happen. So I would say it's a subset of the overall vision, but one of the most critical ones, and obviously that's why we're very interested both in our own products, as well as using NYSERA to help us branch out and provide those same constructs across others. So where are we on the maturity level, in your opinion, Steve? I know this is subjective, but if you say on a scale of one to 10 for abstract pool and automate servers and memory, let's say a 10, nine, whatever, it's pretty good. Where would you put storage? Where would you put networking? And where would you put security? Yeah, great question. In fact, I've tried to do that in a couple of areas that we've looked at. I think compute and memory, I think we're at a, I'll give us letter grades instead. I think we're at a solid A. Plenty more work that we're doing and can do, but I think we're with B motion, everything else we're in great shape. I think storage is at a solid B, maybe a B plus, with some of the new abstractions coming out, some things that let you pool storage together and move it around. There's definitely still some restrictions that we need to knock down on that front. We did one with enhanced B motion, for instance, which lets us move things around even if they don't have the same sand beneath them. And I think networking is where we're in the very, maybe a C plus type of area right now. There's definitely great stuff that's been done, but too many cases right now, you still know the topology of how your network is laid out. You still have to worry about subnets or VLANs that don't have enough scalability. And those are quite restrictive. And the good news is that, again, across the whole industry, people are recognizing that and going after it. But in many ways, it is the furthest behind, but it's also one of the most impactful if you get it right. Steve, there's a nice story in Wired Magazine around Nacir Acquisition 70 engineers. I mean, they kind of got it right, but it was a good story. You've got some new talent coming in. So my question is twofold. First, I want to talk about this acquisition of talent in the sense that it's not just Nacir right now, although they're software-defined networking and that's going to create some enablement across those other areas, compute and storage, as you mentioned, and put that together with your partner, stitch it all together. I see that's a cool vision. But I want to talk about DynamicOps. DynamicOps is a really sweet acquisition, the sense that it's kind of like no one was talking about it, but it's really kind of strategic because what they do is simplify a lot of things. So the question I have for you is one, where does DynamicOps fit in the stack? Is it on top of vCloud? Is it underneath vCloud? Because I can make the argument that sitting on top of vCloud is a better end user piece of it to enable and simplify abstract, if you will. Do you agree with that? Or are you guys talking about that internally? And what's your vision on that? Yeah, great question. We're really just getting now into talking about it publicly. So first of all, when we go to our customers, we very carefully look at how far along in the journey towards a real cloud model they are. And we notice that a lot of our enterprise customers who had moved very far along the journey, were using DynamicOps. So obviously that sparked our interest. And really, in short, what it's able to do is recognize the workflows and the things you have to plug into when you're making real enterprise decisions over where something runs. And it ties that with offering out self-service to employees who want to use, they just want to run their applications. Not to the help desk. I mean, for the folks out there, DynamicOps basically is a service layer, if you will, for lack of a better description, I'm always simplifying, but it allows direct end-user or edge-of-the-network management and services that are basically abstracting away some of the details. Yeah, Gartner calls this new category a service governor, which basically means it's trying to choose which services based on compliance rules, based on cost in these different areas. So to your question, John, it absolutely is the very top layer of the stack for us. It is helping customers make the right decision, letting employees move quickly. And then it ultimately will say, here is this virtual data center created by VMware. Here's another one. Here's our data center in a different state. Here's Amazon. Here's physical hardware. So it's a very top-level view of possible places to deploy your applications. It doesn't do a lot after it hands off. It lets those handle it. But it's very key for making the right decision and letting people offer self-service in a safe way. Well, thanks for clearing that up because I think that was an exciting announcement that was kind of unsung in terms of, well, I mean, people noticed it obviously, but this year it takes all the headlines. I want to ask you kind of some geeky questions that we're following.  So at the bottom of the stack at the low level, there's a lot of work being done in the computer science area around low-level virtual machines. Compiler, kind of a compiler discipline. So take me through innovations as an example at the lower end of the stack. Take us through your mind what's happening relative to some research and innovations that are moving up and down the stack relative to virtualization. Could you share some insight, your opinion there? Obviously, the lower end of the stack is one example. Yeah, it's a fun area. And maybe I'll shift more to the end user computing side of the world for just a moment to talk about that. You know, we really talked about for the first time the notion of multiple container types, meaning there's a lot of abstractions that are important ways of doing really what virtualization about, which is separating a logical view of something from how it's implemented. We've actually done this in the past with core virtual machines, but then we bought ThinApp, for those aware of it. It's a way to abstract out an application from its ties to Windows. We announced some interesting things on the mobile phone space where we're actually doing full virtualization that lets you run an entire Android stack on it. But we also announced something on the iOS side of things. It wraps up an application. And so I think the main point I really like is that there are a lot of constructs that are important. Virtual machines I think are a great one that solve a ton of problems, but there are other ones as well. And I think our challenge as an industry is be able to choose the right abstraction for the right use case, but provide a way that you can manage all of those different ones. And it's a much longer, great discussion, but that's really what we're trying to do on the horizon suite side of what we're doing. Let me ask a different way. So abstract, pool, and automate obviously is kind of codes for operating system, which we love. What are the highlights in the abstraction area that you can point to right now that you think are super cool that people may or may not be aware of? Yeah, so two big things on the abstraction front. The biggest is as you raised earlier, which is the network. People are recognizing you can separate out how you view logical networks, logical wires, logical Knicks from physically how it's done. Second very exciting area is the L4 through 7 services that live in the network. You can think about these logically and then offload the execution of them to either software or hardware. And then lastly, I just wanted to reiterate, we're really recognizing direct attached storage and server flash as two new things coming into the system. And if we abstract those in an interesting way, everybody can get more out of those investments that you're making as well. It's always great to have Steve Herrod, CTO of VMware on theCUBE, and just we love talking ESPN of tech, as we say, and shooting the breeze. Great guests. I guess my next question is just, okay, we've been talking about this modern era here in theCUBE and on SiliconANGLE, Wikibon. We are in a new modern era. You guys put out the big slide old way, a new way, PCs, mobile, apps, big data, servers, cloud, great, we love that. What happens to the old stuff? So what happens to all those apps that are the legacy apps in this new software defined, automate pool, abstract pool, automate? What happens to the old stuff? Do you throw it away? Does it work? What's this technical strategy there? You know, this is where you ditch the technical idealism and you really go to how businesses work right now. Every company that I meet with is looking at an inventory of all their applications, and they're doing a form of triage. These we wanna, we can't touch them, we can't change this. We're gonna wrap them up and make them work as well as possible. These we're gonna invest in, invest in them to make them more scalable, to have a mobile access to them, these different areas, and these we're gonna completely rewrite for the new world, and every company I go is creating these buckets and putting their applications into them and then adjusting accordingly. We're getting the hook here, but I wanna ask one final question we always with Steve, love to have the final question be more of a shoot the arrow forward for the next year. What's on the to-do list for Steve Herrod and the Office of the CTO in terms of figuring out, one, operationally fill in the big white spaces that need to be filled in, if any, and two, now that Paul Moritz is gonna be the strategist getting a new canvas, if you will, to paint that next generation picture with Joe Tucci. Talk about those two things from your standpoint because you gotta straddle both. So what's on your agenda on those two fronts, operationally in terms of objectives and then painting that new canvas? Yeah, great way to close up our discussion. So it is really two things. We had a report card. There's no reason we shouldn't get everything up to be solid A's. So a lot of work to do, especially on security and networking with our partners. You'll see a lot of that. Towards the other side of the canvas though, this is the platform for existing applications and new applications. And understanding new applications and where they're headed is a key part of our Cloud Foundry open platform as a service strategy. It's absolutely looking at your data-oriented architectures, understanding big data and big analytics. So we have a lot of work to really understand those communities, get involved in how they write their apps and then from a Cloud Suite standpoint, make that the best place to run them. Well, I have to kind of do a follow-up for my last question, because I want to get one more point in there. So tell us, areas, will you be doing M&A and startup acquisitions? Well, obviously we're going to continue to be aggressive on both fronts. All I can say is that the software-defined data center has many components to it, and many of them have a long way to go. So we're going to be very active in taking that exact same vision, but hopefully finding the pieces internally and externally that really help accelerate it. Okay, Steve Herrick, congratulations on the great VMworld, great to have you on theCUBE. But we'll be right back with our next guest after this short break. Thanks.


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From sex to sorcery to divination, Druid Magic is a book that will take you through all of the spectrums of the magical workings of Druidry. Hey there saplings, welcome back to Esoteric Moment. Today is a book review and it is Druid Magic or The Practice of Celtic Wisdom, Druid Magic by Maya Maggi Sutton and Nicholas Mann. This book is a great resource for Druids who are really looking to get into like the sorcery and muddy gray areas of magical workings. It has a lot of information and could in many ways be used as a beginner Druid book. The first section of the book is all about kind of connecting Druid Lord to practice. The second section is a little bit more practical on like what is a Druid, what's the history, why is it relevant to today? It's actually a section that's usually first in a Druid or beginner pagan book, but they kind of put it in the middle. It works really well. The third section is called advanced training and it's about like journey, working with nature, some divination, that sort of thing. I love how this book has a lot of topics and it goes in depth into a bunch of it. There's some personal stories but a lot of just really rich storytelling and it makes it enjoyable to read. I think it will appeal very strongly to the Druid who is more the like magician Druid or someone who really is heavily influenced from a lot of those fantasy elements. You know that's something that enriches their practice and ideas about Celtic spirituality and Druidry. If that's like where Alan flows to you, this would be a great book for you. For me it was good but not like amazing. So I give it more like a three and a half of four out of five stars. Excellent book but not something I will probably reference much, nor is it something that I will necessarily keep on my bookshelf. It's not terrible, nothing outlandishly wrong with it, but also not something that I could honestly recommend spending money on. It's definitely a run from the library book for me. What was interesting as I read it is that some of it felt dated. It didn't seem quite as relevant to the current flow of paganism or the current needs of a magical practitioner in today's world. I don't know if that's just like what I was consuming when I wasn't reading this book but like through the news and other things. It just didn't quite fit my current practice or my current association with the world and how I connect to deity or magic. If you are someone that's really looking for something that's like relevant and perfectly timed to today's world and today's Druid landscape, I would also say that maybe this is one that you wait to read, but I wouldn't avoid it and I certainly think it's worth reading if you're looking for something that's a little outside of your normal box. There is great information here and could be very inspiring to the right druid. I will say there are lots of great activities at the end of the each chapter which does make it very useful for someone who's trying to practice druidry on their own, maybe struggling to reconnect with a regular practice or one that really hits their lifestyle in the right way. So if you're kind of looking to explore that part where you're integrating druidry into your regular life in a new way or you're looking for new traditions, rituals or activities, then this book would be an excellent resource. In the comments below, I would love to hear what activity or ritual you have recently added to your practice and why it was so useful or not useful for your practice. Like, tell me the origin story of whatever new thing you have brought to your practice and experimented with. This week's Sapling Shoutout goes out to Crystal Mama. She wrote a comment on my Druidcraft by Philip Kargom book review and it was just super short and simple, but she said that she enjoyed my videos and it made her want to reread the book, which is a great compliment. If you read some of the books that I've reviewed, I definitely want to hear about it in the comments and let me know if you're rereading them. That's awesome. If you want to be the next Sapling Shoutout, don't forget to talk to me in the comments or let me know about it on Instagram. I'm really curious to hear about your practices and the books you are reading. Thanks for watching and as always, may you find peace in the sacred grove.