hen it's getting back oh by the way now help me out so Yui knew he would be betrayed he was trying to double cross the Harkinen man if he knew he was being betrayed why the hell did he help I don't think that's true but if he knew he was being betrayed why did he then betray his house my impression is that he thought Harkinen's would come through on the deal and that he could also kill them I didn't get the impression that he thought I'm gonna get screwed over and killed why would he go through what Fringe said I had always presumed that it was like a contingency to try and save as much of the the house as he could or at least like what little he could by saving Paul then that would get them out everyone's saying he knew then why did he do what he did why did he betray them then so to clarify chat if I know that Baron Harkinen is going to kill my wife and me then I'm not gonna betray the house what would be the point no choice cause he had a sliver of hope and he'll leverage that sliver of hope against the entire house a tradie's down what a piece of shit I mean he's kind of a piece of shit anyway to be fair leveraging one life for like that many god damn not to say that someone wouldn't do it it would have been nice to have fucking heard him think about it talk to someone about it cause like it he doesn't care about a trade it's clearly he does cause he went to a lot of efforts to try and save Paul and his mum yeah he definitely cares about him this is the problem like with him having so little flash he's just a plot device he's just a creature that exists to be able to make something happen and that's it and I know people are gonna be mad like the book and it's like yeah I know but they didn't do that in the film and I've heard people who like the book complain about UA in the film so that all lines up as far as I can tell I'm in the weeds here what are you even talking about if you wanna rewind I don't know cause that topic is uh we're good move on to the next one which is I don't know what to help you out but we'll move on to the next topic here we go so and the ambassador Paul and mum all go to a bit of a sanctuary I think she says it was a building that was meant to like help maybe make water or oxygen or something like that on this planet I don't quite remember either way as they're talking the Harkinans attack and um I don't know I was already just like surprised when they come down the um our good guys have hidden under the sand and then like ambush them but they still all lose they still all die yeah cause honestly the way they film it it makes you think like oh they gotta dominate and it's like no they lost yeah I thought so too um but then they all came after Duncan and it's like oh I guess they're all dead okay and Duncan kills like fucking 15 of them he gets a lot of them and that dark cause them a little bit of difficulty um he blocks it but if they're a couple more he probably would have been dead yeah um he keeps the fighting you know one thing I thought again I was just like man explosives like the way that you see these lads come down there's like 20 of them in just one small amount of space like oh grenade be wonderful here or get poison grenade or dude people still insist that explosives aren't gonna work okay but we know gas works we can do that yeah by the way I don't believe explosions don't work but if you're not gonna give that up then fine we'll use gas we still have we give a lot of options to get through those shields already uh but yeah um I guess there's very limited supplies here cause like they don't really make much of a defense other than that ambush attack and then they all get killed and so Duncan then I think we'll summarize the scene first and then we'll go back through it with pieces the gas isn't gonna work on the shield suits how do they breathe do they have a filter in there to protect them from gas specifically wait gas won't work on those suits is gas an actual concern in this world cause we never see gas used do they make the suit specifically to filter out like poisonous gas because that isn't a real concern in this universe because if it is then you should have been using gases on them when you were attacked instead of sending your guys on the ground to fight with swords I thought these suits were just just a variation of the still suits to help them survive in the land of dune not that it defended them from poison gas we never see gas there's a sand altar is there a space Geneva convention in this universe is there um so anyway like I was expecting more defenses and stuff in this place but they apparently were very limited this was very quick so she was like okay anyway Duncan decides he's going to lock the door behind him and defend while they escape giving them time now I like a sacrificial moment much as everyone they're awesome especially if they like very much in character there was a little bit awkward though that him doing it without like going over it with them first means that all the time he buys for them is basically spent by them trying to get to him um it's just like that's a little bit awkward but it's still okay because he still manages to nail it but then there's this weird part with um a laser that comes through and like this laser they're all terrified of it and I was like do they not have shields at this point and do the shields not defend the laser or do the shields not protect you against that laser because if so man maybe make a rifle out of that let's make him again I don't want someone to chat telling me that lasers plus shield equals nuclear explosion okay that's not we're not having that that doesn't make any fucking sense at all and if that's the case are these guys not at all concerned about that I mean I don't know they're firing the laser and they're not worried that somebody in there might be like ah you don't screw it and they're just people are saying shield plus laser equals nuke we can't have that rule it destroys the entire world we can't have shield plus laser equals nuke or maybe the rule is laser plus nuke equals shield someone said a chat um well anyway that's that's happening and this is just this this part we're like that so to open this the safe door the safe room exit you have to do it like on the right side of the room but the door is on the left side or something because they all move to the right side of the room and then the laser comes in so it locks them on the right side of the room and I was like what the fuck were you doing over there anyway and none of them think to jump over the laser or duck under it exactly like this is every second you waste guarantees your death they are so lucky that Duncan wasn't executed and just punched he's Duncan Idaho and they decided we will punch him and hope he stays down so fucking lucky because if they had stabbed him in the face then they wouldn't because the laser then they would have died like it's really odd this scene to me it blows my mind you can't jump over the fucking laser you can even see the shape that they did it seems like it was just Duncan's last stand it was an opportunity to save him it seems to me it was a cool scene where we get to see Jason Momoa fight a whole bunch of people in a row to save and it's just like ah we needed to tweak a bunch of this though just to make it better like I said a lot of time is spent just banging on the door be like Duncan no it's just like ah you're wasting all the time he's buying you guys and I know that you'd be like well it's in character right and it's like well yeah but I just think the laser stuff is silly yeah you know other than that I liked watching that fight I don't I think if you were to go hyper like throne room level there's a lot of inspection on this I think the swords are moving too fast at certain points to be able to kill people yeah that's something I noticed in general when there's like a fight with lots of people I think it's just for just for the actors and the scenes just hard to traverse that they actually slow down like all we have is the indicator that it turns blue or red oh well yeah I mean I'm not sure what that really looks like in this world you know with the fighting in terms of like slowing down with the swords I think it worked really well when Duncan was fighting alone in the base probably really hard to choreograph because I think you could tell pretty well there but here in this scene especially he moves really quickly I don't seem slowing down sometimes yeah I'm trying to show too fast chat as well but we got copyright being a big bitch here but if you watch the first strike in particular it seems like surely that's too fast to be able to kill him but it shows red on the shield so I man I'm still thinking about that space Geneva convention thing so like in terms of because people keep talking about the space Geneva convention basically that it prohibits like the use of chemical weapons in this world and then also stuff to do with nukes a ban too now none of this is in the film but I guess like running with that concept part of the so like the problem is that when you presents people with the only alternative as you need to fight with swords I question how willingly people would accept these conditions like if you're told okay so this shield technology means that your only options to reasonably fight them are all things that you know like really bad or dangerous like nukes chemical weapons and things like that so your only other option is to fight with swords I don't know how willingly in this world they would accept those rules you'd be like man either we need to find a work around with guns like again the little things where you shoot and then it slows down and then explosion or you would probably like either change those rules or defy those rules it doesn't even need to dot the more explode the fact that you fire that and it makes the shield for a moment breach you can then stab them in where it's breaching right you could you could also do that yeah like it to me it just seems like an invaluable element of technology you would want the little dot thing but only because the Sarduka people seem to have them they're attached to their wrists or something it's like but none of them really use it and I see also because the point that gets brought up is what would be expensive to make stuff like that is it not expensive to make the shields to are the shields really cheap and the armor still suits right they got to be expensive still suits the the ships and all of those like that equipment and if you're like and also there's a question of like maybe it'd be worthwhile to front that cost rather than to have more people with swords like you know what I mean like you don't need to have all of these soldiers like it was now we usually have like less soldiers on the battlefield than we did before because like it's more smaller scale like skirmishes and stuff like that and the equipment as well you would maybe make the trade of like you know what less guys with swords more guys with dart guns that explode on apparently what no computers what are there no computers in this world how how do they what what is it what do you mean no computers they have like all the tech they have but there's no computers computers are banned okay that's weird no AI all computers what oh everything is analog but there's AI in all of their ships right there's got to be or is there not is it like is autopilot banned that's basic dune law I don't remember seeing that basic dune law is not in the film I don't know fuck all about dune stop it I do watch the movie because we watched the movie and that was our first exposure to dune yeah no AI man imagine penalizing all these people for not having read hillhouse huh there's space travelers based on the people who can see the future what does that mean well that I know about what does it have to do with the people called the travelers or something that's going to be in the second movie but that doesn't that doesn't address all of the so what about all the non hyperdrive type traveling is the hologram thing that you use to learn about stuff is that not constituted computer because like a calculator could be considered a computer honestly for you this sounds like something they were told and just accepted did you not think a lot of this through like computers are bad that doesn't make any sense at all check this movie made you fast I have a hard time why are they banned it's not a thinking machine so there are computers but no AI so like if I brought my desktop into the dune universe would that be allowed because this is a computer now there's like they say no AI so guys AI is quite a broad spectrum yeah so okay so there's no AI but does that mean that there'd be no like just regular computers calculator level is so no computing man no computer apparently the laptop would be forbidden too like you wouldn't be allowed to use that I like you got yes yep no no yeah I keep seeing I'm trying to look for something here so if I brought my laptop just like a normal windows 10 laptop into the dune world would that be destroyed because that's not allowed stop yelling at me to read the book I watched the film stop yelling at me it's all in capitals alright so apparently yes like if I brought my laptop that would be destroyed but some people are saying possibly windows 95 is okay but nothing else there was like a matrix for humanity was machines thousands of years ago computers are banned okay well I so I get that as a as an idea right you might be concerned about AI but when you just ban AI like rather than computers unless you were so scared that somebody would make another AI that you want to get rid of computers but I guess now my question would be a lot of the ways that things in this world operate yeah do I know anything about the books no no I haven't read the book this was like my first exposure to doing yeah same to be fair do you like not being penalized for that we've also not read the novelizations for TFA, TLJ or TROS I can't even read but that didn't come up that much when we were reviewing those things but also that doesn't come up for a lot of things like if we talk about certain films that were based on books there's like less of that as a point if you look at the comment section for our Hill House coverage all the top comments were outraged that we didn't read the books well fucking I don't care wow I guess my question is like do we need to have the conversation again that this is an adaptation that's meant to stand on its own I guess we do I did mention it at the beginning no but I think we need to because it keeps coming up like every like 10-15 minutes another point of like did you read the books it's in the book oh well come on let's explain in the books to establish the world and the stakes to us to understand what these people are doing and why we need that information in the film it can't be something we have to read a pamphlet for and then we can read this or consume this or like wiki or the book or yeah yeah like these are separate pieces of media they don't you don't want us to rely on because there's so many reasons why this can fall apart but let's just go with like the MCU for example if you read the comics the MCU is adapting it'll be incongruent with the MCU like if you accept them as explanations or something the adaptation does not share continuity and nor should it be relied upon structurally to understand the story because at that point don't make the film like just always have it be the book we were watching dune 2 and our questions were answered in dune 1 then I would agree with you guys but the difference between the same continuity and a different continuity and it gets to be clear because I would imagine that some people are getting pissed off because I probably think it's a criticism of the book this is the criticism of the film it may well be that there's information in the books that clarifies a lot of the points or alternatively it's different in the book and then that has different context or the horror maybe the book has flaws too right but I guess to make the point clear it's not criticism of the book I need to read the book to criticize the book and ultimately like someone in chat might be it's in the book and then it might be like oh that's really bad it's like well there may be context that is left out in the comment in chat that is in the book and alternatively there might not be the context but like you know you got to read the books to critique the books but we're talking about the film and this is all based on the information that's presented in the film and there's a lot of stuff that we just don't know because it wasn't mentioned in the film it's really fucking annoying we just keep seeing things like oh that's wrong it's in the book or like god damn like you just nitpicks this is all just information based on what we saw in the film well yeah and that's what we're looking for in chat is arguments that can be inferred from the movie when someone says like they don't use laser rifles because they're banned and they cause nuclear explosions I'd be like you sound as alien to me as anyone going blah blah blah don't only read a part of an unfinished story well there was a world in which this movie came out and there was no Dune 2 and this is the full story that we get um and I mean you know it may well be that when the film comes out there will be explanation for things that we've talked about and then yeah at that point it's like okay that retroactively justifies the decisions that were made that doesn't exist yet and if that means that we can't talk about the film until the second film comes out then we've got to apply it to the MCU because there may well be an explanation for everything that happened in Loki that will come out like 10-15 years that will explain everything away um yeah it's not a point so is there eFap Demand's info dumps I didn't need that if they don't use it in the film then there's good reason that they don't like you should just infer that okay so then we'll just infer that for every movie ever no no I got a prime example why didn't they use the hyperspace kamikaze to throw all the stars there was good reason that they didn't there was good reason that they didn't they didn't so there's a reason why they didn't there's just good reason any time a character makes a decision that doesn't make sense what's the reason for it making charitability is off the charts when you say wow eFap wants an info dump well I will infer everything to just make sense no matter what it's like good for you we complained about the info dumps earlier in the film that there were better and more elegant ways that they could have conveyed that information did you just forget what we said before like to make some weird argument that we didn't even make we don't like info dumps yeah there are always elegant ways to expose it I saw earlier in chat that people were saying there was no better way to do it it's like man there are better ways to do it I'm sorry you got a lot of options when it comes to storytelling a lot I specifically remember saying this while watching these dudes getting eaten by the sand worm you have a lot of options when it comes to exposition and conveying it like storytelling you got a lot of tools at your disposal a lot of ways that you can go about it you have to man's movies be perfect literally perfect it's fine I guess it's awkward as well because I think a lot of it because I am going to infer here it seems like some of you guys are really upset about the idea that it takes into the film and I guess it's a lot of clarify that I thought the movie was cool when I watched it I said to rags before we started the stream this one and the one that we've done already they're going to be controversial and he was like why why do you think because we're going to say mean things people love that's what we do I will read the book at some stage but we're talking about the movie I have no intention of reading the book come at me I had intentions of reading I was going to plan on reading the book before I watched the movie but then that didn't happen so I got some coffee up here I'll read it I'm not going to read now out of spite but we're not going to read anything I bought it it's in my drawer I'm going to burn it now the mistake you made the error of your ways you now turned them against it that was a joke by the way I feel like someone's going to actually be like wow wow he's not even going to read the book because he's so mad about it but he can't take criticism because when he does take when he gets to criticism he won't even read the book out of spite metal has no choice he can't read damn right all shocker the germ really goes to burning the books okay shut up molars against reading true reading bad I never read even though I just read that ignoring that reading unbridled rage so um we're pretty much done with that scene right they escape we're up to when they escape and then the lady gets caught by the other people right and then yes that was pretty lame Fram and Lady who walks in both worlds has a lot of experience and is very aware of everything she gets killed she doesn't fucking look behind her once per minute yeah that was lame and then the saduka who killed her apparently unaware of what sandwims fucking are yeah the worms come and gobble them up explain to me why the worm prioritized the the fist bums instead of the machine that's especially made for attracting worms was the machine close by I mean it was right pretty much next to her because she was about to write the worm maybe it was close by enough that the worm swallowed here and the machine I think it may well have yeah I do have the question maybe this the worm is quite big she takes quite a few steps she does actually take few steps yeah you're right I mean it does seem like that machine should make more of a difference than any thumb she makes with her fist from the floor you know because if she can just attract it with her own noises then that fucking machine is irrelevant just fucking stomp on the floor with your feet it just baffles me that they they're here to do this job and like nobody told them by the way there are enormous creatures in the sand that will fucking eat you you might want to watch out well they definitely know about that right it's like the most important fixture well then why do they do this so stupidly for you well yeah that's alright and yeah I just started to like her cause I was like you know she put a lot of F helping them she even sacrificed the transport and now she's summoning your sandwim to sort of sort the place out while she escapes and she does the thing with the things to prepare to I think ride the sandwim and she just gets stabbed in the back I was like oh okay guess and all because she didn't look behind every once in a while that's all she needed to do someone who's so experienced I was very disappointed yeah it was lame and yeah they all get swallowed by the by the way big gnomes man that worm it must have a really good metabolism cause it feels like there's not a lot of things to eat out here yeah how big it is like us being like super hugger you go oh a french fry delicious alrighty then then you cough up all of the technology like in the clothing so they are chased into a storm and they like they're in danger of it all breaking but he has a vision and a character says something like go with the flow and so he just powers off and like I don't understand how that saves them we're told that the sandstorm can basically tear through metal and it starts doing that until like on the glass too until he turns off the machine I'm like why would that make it so that the sandstorm doesn't tear through your shit I kind of like the idea of basically like non-resistance to nature ultimately being the correct course in the sense of like fear being the mind killer so like slow it down like don't don't resist like the force just let it guide the carry you but I guess the problem is when you say that the sand tears through the metal wouldn't it just keep doing that I thought so well maybe that's the observation right because everybody is always resisting the sandstorm that's actually what's happening standing what's happening maybe well that's what people are saying is they're riding with the sand as opposed to against it when it's on it's like okay I don't know enough about how sandstorms work to be able to question that my issue is more with the fact that they would be spun around for I don't know how long they should I feel like they should be like unconscious as fuck oh yeah you're right they do just stop spinning 360 for a while I had to think about the lady that got saved from a mountain just got spun you remember that funny reference if you get it let me come to my favourite part it would be boring as fuck oh no you must be doing it welcome to eFap with saying something is boring and so we can't do that is not a good defense we get a big bath of black goo love it and they're marinating in the black goo to get better I think he's fighting there too because how could you not right just to see what happens how could you not be fighting occasionally um yeah I don't know this scene I was like I guess it's medicinal but it's just so gross you can tell that's the whole thing about it I'll pull a Stella Scars God look at him even though Serven weird gloves on I have like sausagey fingers fucking gross I was like but yeah he's like start selling spice at higher prices I think because now it's going to be more rare and stuff I think this is the last we see of the Harkins for the film and I look forward to seeing them again I enjoy them I want to see what they get up to metal obsessions for parts today what do you mean today parts of funny once they threw the storm they stop back there they're up there dragonfly but all the wings break off and then they crash but not in such a way that hurts them they are okay I don't know what the safety precautions for that thing are that prevent you from taking any damage from crashing but I guess it was enough that they could survive the length in which they fell I don't know then we walk around for a bit on and they walk on some hard sand question mark drum sand and I immediately was like what the fuck is drum sand and yeah so that activates a worm they are very unlucky and so they sprint just before it can catch them and then we get a big old shot of him taking a little lucky loo I thought it was interesting because it looks like it literally looks like it's looking at them and it's like he couldn't probably still get them right let's play you know just reaching over there and I don't know but he's mostly just chill and then he gets pulled away by a little beacon and we meet up with still guard his dudes and there's an aggressive lad here who's like I fucking hate all of you you weakling fuck that really threw me off where he's like I'm gonna you know fight me whatever and then he's like you cannot challenge a sire dean I don't know what the word he used was but it's about her being a special lady and his response to that is well then who will fight in her place and I remember just being like huh if you can't challenge her then fuck off what do you mean who will fight in her place how about nobody I don't understand what was gonna happen if if Paul didn't suggest himself like what was gonna be the result of that probably nothing yeah what would have happened because I don't think any one of his friendos is gonna go okay I'll fight for her I'll fight and die for her it's like I challenge you you can't do that well okay but who's gonna fight for her nobody that doesn't follow yeah I thought it was strange but Paul suggests that he'll do it he'll do it they would have been killed but then what if they wanted to fight I don't know stillgar clearly wouldn't have let them be killed with what stillgar says it sounds like some cultural thing where it would be it's not allowed for him to do that so again apparently it was a change from the book in the book he challenged Paul specifically alright I just like that that's not what happened in the film so I'm just trying to understand the stakes when you say I challenge A you can't challenge A well who will fight for A like that sentence doesn't follow yeah um he has visions of like losing and I think that the couple of like you know bits of advice from different people and stuff they have their battle for some reason nobody told Paul the rules of this fight yeah I wasn't about to mention that do you yield no you gotta kill him just like man that would be nice information how did that come up seems to be the main thing about this fight stillgar says oh the boy doesn't know a rule fuck no shit and then he beats and kills him and is like ok you're one of us no life for our lives like hey I didn't sign any contract about that you guys need to read the anime what wait what'd you say someone in chat said they're not visions what do you call them yeah that's my next question it has to come true no I didn't presume that I had to come true I presume that it was possibilities I assume so well it could be a collection of all kinds of things I'm happy to call them visions though they're just visuals you saw something you had a vision of something something so yeah it keeps fighting him and eventually kills him and I mean I'm not trying to rush this but we are at three hours so that's the film yeah it's the end of the movie then act one to conclude over now begins act two and act three for sure my genuine experience with this and apparently a lot of people had this was I didn't I wasn't paying attention to the timecode so when it hit the credits I was like wait what oh fuck that's it Jesus I didn't oh I felt that okay and a lot of people the initial reviews were like that felt like the movie just cut off like it just stopped um yeah and I was thinking like I know that this is a random thought it's not anything it would be so much for me to consider especially the source material but you know like I would have settled probably for the um the movie to be about trying to make the spice mining work and uh Lito actually manages to sort of make it work or get close to it and then the Harkins take steps to basically just like he you know he's actually making a different we have to just kill him and so the third act is all about that big fight and like the aftermath is them escaping the big fight and uh you know moving on to the next adventure whatever um instead of like because we have that strange portion of the film that's um in that plant or whatever building it is and I wonder if we could shift things around to make it feel a little bit more flowy but ultimately the whole the structure and how things work and stuff I just don't I don't want to be too obsessed with that as opposed to just trying to iron out the issues I have with the script because uh yeah it's a little bit more complicated to break down exactly why anything should be particular acts and everything um but yeah I don't know what else do you guys want to talk about before we go to the video um we didn't talk much about it go ahead okay then I'll go wait if I could just pause you one sec someone said it's not about Lito a lot of it is actually if you watch it so that's you know I'm glad we got that out of the way a lot of it's about him and the choices he makes and it's probably why he's my favorite character even um interesting lad would have been neat to see him succeed at spice mining and as I said it may contradicts source whatever that's so there's plenty of reasons that you may want to avoid it but that's that could have been an option for me personally it was a bit too slow in some parts I think as I said already like a bunch of cool stuff in it I like the characters and yeah I'm definitely going to look forward to the next one see what happens because that's when I was like invested in the movie finally and then it stopped and I was like oh man I definitely be watching the next one yeah because we had all this setup now and it's like oh shit yeah what we do now like this like holy war and shit like what was happening like this was great sounds epic and then we're done it's like a really really long intro to the whole series I wonder how many parts they do probably like three or four I would guess right I don't know I think there's two and then there's other books they might adapt from what I understand the first book has been split in two and I've heard that it would be entirely possible to do the second book as one movie on its own and that would be like a good rounded story yeah I mean I guess cause like we didn't talk much about the characters I think that they're fine for the most part I'm not sure that I would say that they're like particularly exceptional here when I first described this movie to somebody I was metal or someone else but I said it was like a sandwich with two big pieces of bread and just one slice of ham in it I think that's a good way to describe it I know that's going to come across as pretty controversial to a lot of people but like I'm very much I love me some characters I like this movie but when I was looking back I was like what do I love about Baron Harkinen it's like mainly Stellan Skarsgård's performance it was a character he's ruthless yeah I think that's the case right a lot of it is I like the performers and the performances but the characters themselves are just they're okay they're not like crazy I feel I can make very genuine and more detailed praise of Lito I think he's the best character and he's also my favorite in terms of just the amount of detail layering and the story that this character is having to deal with I feel he has a lot of arguments that can be made about how meaningful it is Paul I almost feel like I was starting to maybe figure out Paul's journey and the film ended like in terms of yeah it feels like the second movie will be where we actually really get the stuff for Paul like we just get set up here his mum it's like yeah she's a very loyal Bene Gesserit but also torn with being the tradies I guess she cares a lot about Paul Duncan it's like he's pretty cool he's a cool guy yeah also dead unfortunately no so there's not a lot for me to grab with character in this which is unfortunate because it's two half hour movie full on like sci-fi fantasy thing and I just I kind of wish there was more to grip that goes like because I feel like this film if it didn't have such charismatic and talented actors it might be in trouble absolutely I think yes yeah uh I like how people like oh sorry spoilers but just saying like who's gonna be in the next movie why why do that and that's the thing I can't even I don't even know the difference between what's a spoiler and what isn't because I don't know if they course adaptation yeah that too yeah oh yeah and also you could be lying to us that's not true that's a lie she's lying what's funny is if I was asked to give like a number I'm sitting like I maybe six I'm not actually sure I'm somewhere in that room um and that's specifically writing in terms of production it's fucking top-notch really not really really good one of the best looking and sounding movies just in general have like man that's really impressive real good yeah uh and I guess the question is like would you recommend it it's like probably I feel like I would yeah especially in a cinema um the this feels like a movie that doesn't come very often and so yeah I would check it out um I mean I'll be happy of this like if Dune becomes a series that you know is continues and we get to explore more of this world and and because I think the world is really cool I guess I just wish um for a movie that is two and a half hours long there it does seem like there was a lot of information that was omitted that would have been valuable to know yeah and I feel like we should have worked a little bit harder to make more scenes where we can get more character at the same time as getting information yeah yeah I think so um but we'll see what the second movie is gonna do who knows I like it I think you guys do too right or do you not I thought it was a cool movie when I watched it I think I mentioned it uh like yeah my immediate thought when I left it was that was cool um I think I think the cool factor is really strong uh I guess it's just there are questions of like how how nuanced are the characters and you know plot stuff as well but but I guess it's awkward because it's not it's not a complete story yet like a lot of whether or not I like this movie may well be affected significantly by what comes next but I mean Dune 2 is already happening so at least there's no concern as to whether or not that story's gonna be completed yeah maybe we'll give covers to that at some point depends if Australia get to see it at several times or not we'll find out I'm sure that it will line up a bit better next time but I suppose that's that for talking about the Dune movie next up is taking a little lucky see at a video that that says Dune has a fatal flaw and uh it's from our good friend the closer look we haven't we haven't watched one of his videos in forever's oh boy and so the thumbnail says Dune has a flaw and then the title says Dune why loyal adaptations don't work oh no ooh hey chat I feel like you'll be angrier than us you guys yeah now you can be mad at them instead of us hell yeah join the room watch together changing up on me hopefully this is still working the problem is I can't tell how negatively it was received because there's no dislikes anymore well the last I think I saw it at 80% that's why I was like ooh ooh that's that's not so good yeah well the thing is he may have pissed people off the in the don't piss off you know like he may have said something that we agree with that pisses everyone else off who knows right but maybe maybe it's not this is another instance of like your workings all right just like in maths class you know the workings it's gotta line up um rags has said they are working on getting him back online he could be back at any moment he could also not be back we're not 100% sure yet what he thinks about the sword stuff he's having the shield I don't know he's gonna have to watch the e-fap episode that write down notes to tell like to get on the next I'm sorry about that it sucks so at 5.1k likes and 1100 dislikes okay right so that's like about 80% right I just put on the that add on people made where is it right yeah listen up chat there is an extension that can get you the likes and dislikes back yeah so firefox and chrome just search for dislike button add on and then you get both links on youtube on the google machine return youtube dislike it looks exactly the same by the way dude infinitely hilarious so funny that's something that's happened let me alright hold on let me see let me refresh oh no it's not there oh yes it is hello yes wow it's exactly the same yeah it's funny because they they just got rid of the visuals like the the point of information where they got it is still the same like I think the the other youtube thing that shows you the ratio I forgot the name of it oh it works as well vidIQ I think does that vidIQ yeah that's still stop working properly still shows you everything they might try and find a way around that but for now I think I'll figure it out eventually but yeah the interface that's been used for that is the same that's the word that was missing alright you guys ready yep oh hang on where's my there we go vidIQ is sponsored by audible yay I have infinite respect why does he talk like this alright we gotta get that out of the way first I have infinite respect for doon because it's written in a way yeah he puts it on he said that when we had him on he said that he as far as he's concerned it's a voice that works real well for the peeps I don't know what else to say on top of that hey rex hello hi I made it back I'm pleasant you missed the entire movie conversation you missed the whole conversation I know it's fine rex what do you think about the shields what do I think about the shields spotlight in mgs um definitely interesting it's not unheard of in what way overall do you think that makes sense in their entirety what do you think well you're a halo fan I am lies what he might lie about what continent he's on but he knows a thing or two about halo so in halo I assume he's already told you this before but your shield isn't always on per se it's not actually always on but it works this way in mass effect as well whenever the sensors on your suit or your shield thingy whenever they sense an incoming object of an appropriate speed they will send out a propulsion to block it that way you can still grab objects and manipulate the environment around you so it's certainly not unheard of and I'm not sure if Frank Herbert did it before asimov did I think in foundation they have a similar concept but I wouldn't be surprised if things like halo and that if they were kind of based off of this concept so with that being said I think I'm okay with them I don't think I have an issue with them I haven't really thought about it too much the premise of they stop fast moving objects but slow ones they don't or if they see a fast moving object they will recognize it for what it is as something that's trying to get you and they will propulse out a certain amount of force to try and keep it away from you but uh how do you think that would work against explosives so this depends on the nature of the explosion itself in terms of does it stop the force of an explosion it would probably stop shrapnel I would give it stop shrapnel yeah how whether or not it can project against a shock wave I don't know I think that would be difficult to do I guess it all of this is contingent on what we see if they show it working I'll buy it if they don't and if they're inconsistent with it then we have an issue and I guess that's the problem is we don't see that because they fight with swords yes I guess they because they know that shields are so effective at stopping bullets that it's just a given that you are going to it's just better to use swords in this aspect but is it better to use swords than it is to use for instance the little uh the dart thing that they use on um on oscarize I yeah oscarizing um I don't know um a lot of this is down to the logistics of the darts and how they can be used in an army situation uh is there any reason to think that they couldn't be mass produced um it's it's not necessarily mass-producibility there I don't know that's the thing I just don't know this is kind of like this might we start we might start getting into the territory of why like kind of hyperspace and star wars why don't they just use hyperspace to remnant other ships it's never ever that was that was a tlj floor though it really was well yeah well this is what I'm getting at right if the the fact that it just sort of seems to be the way the universe works how much credit do we give to the concept of well clearly this can't be done or they would be doing it until of course tlj breaks it that's why I guess like that's the question I don't know that's the thing I just don't know if we see that the dart is effective once um I guess it does leave the question of what if you had it so that you have a dart and then it slows down and then blows up once it gets through the shield yeah I I just don't know it seems like it seems like you'd have a lot of darts you'd have a lot of dart throwers a lot of yeah I mean is there any reason a really heavy bullet couldn't just if anything force you to yeah yeah we do see they have that technology when attacking buildings and stuff and then they have the darts and so what I can gather they have the technology they're not using it though yeah I don't know I think it's hello that's a power situation so it seems to be on and I'm pleasantly surprised because so I don't know if you showed the picture probably don't but yeah right next to our apartments a single car there is no second car involved a single car the parking flipped and totaled itself and went through a pole through a very mundane straight stretch of road so they took out a bus stop too but apparently they're okay some guy I was talking to out there said that he watched him crawl out of the car afterwards so that's good wear your seatbelts kids please wear your seatbelts because that car was that car was fucked up but they were able to just but so I expected my power to be at least out all today and probably into tomorrow but I when I was driving back because I was just hanging out at my folks place because power's out here and I got a notification through the electric Facebook page I don't have Facebook but that's where they said they post their updates and they said yeah we restored power to most of the area so I went back to check and sure enough we're good so I'm pleasantly surprised down on everything but I guess so I don't know look electricity is basically magic right so I I guess it just works how it does so I won't complain but who knows how they work I don't know I just don't fucking know it's crazy that's one of the oldest memes it feels like that's the clown people right yes maybe so here's the thing I need to specify nowadays who I mean whenever the band the the insane clown party right that's what they're called yeah yeah what a choice to make in your life insane anyway rags you've joined us at the best time ever because we're between the two halves of the stream well three oh you just wrapped up the I was holding out hope that maybe I would get back right in between your story so I wouldn't write in between the two sections it kind of works though there may be a because we've established a lot of things now so that they may pop up in this video and then we'll have to sort of hash them out with you if in case you maybe agree or disagree depending on whatever comes up but you got the link yes so that the video is called dune why loyal adaptations don't work so that's a lie that's a strange thing to say that's a lie that's a lie I'm very interested to see what arguments are going to be coming up in this this is our is our I think we've covered him was it once or twice before we definitely covered him once I just can't remember if it's more than that it was the it was the yeah it was the in-game video where he said that would be better if it were more like two towers like okay that's an observation I guess that's that is more sense but yeah I don't think that's what he was talking about he was just because he was referencing Helm's Deep being awesome the fight should have been more like that but all fight should be like Helm's Deep regardless of scale or context or characters make it like Helm's Deep somehow just do it but anyway I'd be curious to see how he's going to rationalize this one I don't know what kind of argument we're going to be seeing here so without everyone ready yeah we just we did go over his voice but I assume I'll play it and rags you'll want to comment as well because this video is sponsored by Audible I have infinite respect for Deneval Nouve and his recent epic Dune but while I was watching it and enjoying it something just fell off I hate it I hate this fucking fake ass voice it's so corporate and sterile at the same time it's just it's like the computer voice like a computer recording in the future when you go to a hospital and the computer voice says that's what it sounds like it sounds like a fake person voice like a robot a robot attempting to portray itself as human maybe this is a touring test it's all good because we know it was he came on he had a normal person voice and he was like yeah use this voice because people like it it works better I don't know just yeah just I wish he wouldn't but what are you gonna do yeah what are you gonna do and enjoying it something just fell off and had a hard time pinning it down that was until the credits in my cinema rolled and the woman behind me shouted is that it that was when I finally realized the truth that Dune while being a great film like fails to realize its full potential because bizarrely it's too faithful to the source material so I'm going to keep hearing the breath in the recording it's so funny I don't know I'm not sure why I didn't cut those out because that's worth I can't wrap my head around this realization is that it oh it's because it's too faithful well to be fair that's his proposition the video so we'll see what he says but fun fact when I did the outlast video some people in town remember this I responded to a couple of youtubers chaseface included but one of them was that guy what's his name Noah Colwell Javay I think is his name now he doesn't cut out any of his breath he's literally like you know he'll be talking and you just just just put it in pastures he goes you just hear it fully and you're like you couldn't okay that's fine go ahead I don't cut out mine but I think it's because mine are particularly loud I was gonna say we're talking very different levels of breathing because this one annoyed me so much that I made a compilation after responding to what I thought were very shitty points from him I was just like can you stop and then I just played it all in a row and I was like cut this shit out of your video he didn't like me for saying that naturally the thing is this is a youtuber it doesn't really matter I barely interacted with him but he was someone sent me a screenshot this could have been like two years ago I don't remember but someone said like compared him to me in his comment section said something like oh you know I like your videos you do the long stuff a lot like Muller and he was like don't fucking compare me to that like worthless youtuber oh shit that's fine I was moving on someone else linked me because they were like no fucking way he had a video like a Q&A and the first Q&A thing he has someone says like what are you planning to do in future in terms of like upping your quality he says you know I'm looking to get maybe a better camera I'd like to spend more time on my scripts my audio what do you guys think about being cut out like the breaths and stuff a lot of people that bring you right back to me half the responses in the comments were like yeah that'd be great this is a great little addition it'd be nice the other half were like no it makes you feel more genuine oh I don't know so being genuine you could genuinely be doing something that's really annoying yeah I mean Hitler was being genuine I don't think anyone criticizes Hitler because he wasn't genuine that makes everything so clear I'm glad it does I'm always happy to help but yeah I just thought that was amusing so I was like oh I was the dick for pointing that out but now you're like maybe I should change it someone showed me a compilation like that I'd be like holy fuck I never knew that's funny because I remember when I made my John Wick video I think the first thing Mola said to me was like you need to cut out the breathing parts after you record yeah that makes sense it's probably annoying as shit I mean nobody has to do anything I'm just saying I'm just saying I just think it helps it doesn't make sense to me when you pointed out if you listen to it you don't see the breathing in the videos yeah that's dumb he breathes like me I clapped I can't understand because it was something I didn't do for a long time but then once you notice it like once you start noticing it all the time it's like nah it's gotta go my transition for it I remember a point where I was like I just got to breathe lighter that's the solution yeah and then I was like wait if I cut them out and then I was like yeah but that takes ages and I was like yes but the videos are forever exactly are you gonna Jackie Chan said are you gonna go to every youtuber every youtube viewer and tell them that you were really tired while you were cutting the audio and you just decided to leave them in the video I'm really tired I'm not cutting the breath fuck you oh is that what Jackie Chan said that was the quote it was along the lines of yeah if you leave your breath in there you're not gonna be able to go around and tell everybody that you were really tired so you need to put in the effort you should probably give him the original context I think his rags like wait he gave advice to youtubers okay I assume that what Jackie Chan was talking about was something related to filmmaking and going the extra mile to make it good and instead of youtube viewers he meant like audience members or moviegoers yeah so what he said basically when he was you know when you're making like your film and you're doing your takes for like the action scene are you gonna go around to every theater and tell them well we spent the whole day working on this shot we can't do it anymore like you're gonna go around and tell them how hard you worked and everything people only see what's on the screen and the movie is basically forever so you should put in the effort to try and make it like really great it's a good quote that is a really good quote that is a really good quote by the way I think that's great to think about it because some people are saying it is good to sound genuine it's like yeah so what happens when you cut breath it doesn't sound genuine is the video we're watching right now what if you sound genuine but like shit because most a lot of people just sound terrible a lot of people sound crap that's what we've highlighted right it's like there's a spectrum for all of this just because you sound genuine doesn't mean you're sounding good well yeah genuine doesn't and also you can think something's genuine and it ain't because they did a really good job of convincing you of acting yeah that's right there is a degree of acting to this croft basically whenever you hear a laugh in a scripted video you've been duped they weren't actually laughing someone in chat brings up um sorry you shouldn't eliminate all breaths and pauses or it'll be as incomprehensible as a movie bob video correct I wasn't talking about erasing pauses yeah I know it's just something something someone brought up I think is yeah it's when you like no gap between the lines so immediately there was an element of that like you could because I sometimes do that but it's a balancing act I was supposed to say there's a mistake people were like that was a style at one point right like vloggers would do it where they just cut everything right next to it yeah you'd see them constantly with those cuts because their cameras would be on as well it was jump cuts that's right positions like oh see I'm over here I don't like it myself I don't mind getting a pause here and there some people just talk slower than others and I think that sometimes sometimes it's good sometimes maybe if you're a slow talker I don't know I think there's an appeal to that sometimes as long as you're not obnoxious about it but sometimes it's alright I find that slowing down is valuable a lot of the time because I can go really fast so a lot of the time I deliberately try to slow it down pronunciation and everything just sounds better despite what certain as your hedgehogs might lead you to believe you don't have to go fast you don't have to go fast sometimes this is the long agenda you're hearing right here guys just trying to find ways of making things longer yeah I was going to bring up that one bizarre thing that Riley J Dennis that's the name you haven't heard in a while fuck a name in a while one of the bizarre things that she'd do is cut out like all of the space in between sentences there would be more space in between words than there were sentences and between every sentence she'd cut out all of the space and it sounded bizarre and very strange and no thought was allowed any moment to rest or breathe or anything is very strange as a vlog style it was one of the dare I say earlier parts of youtube not early ass just I remember a lot of people doing it I think it was eager after it could have been but someone's parody video of that with like I remember like cartoons bouncing around the room because of all the takes but then they were all shoved right next to each other to make a sentence and it sounded funny I think it was psychic pebbles did a thing where it was like how to be a famous you choose and then the guy was like I had a funny day I went to the that's the one that's the one look how funny that was no so anyway this video let's do it fails to realize its full potential because bizarrely it's too faithful to the source material I can't not see it now good old Doug so cutting straight to the heart of it this film has a lot going for it he's not going to cut straight to the heart of it why wasn't the visual of someone cutting somebody come on great cinematography a wonderful score acting and well building that I loved so much I promise to make a second video I say just gushing about that aspect of the film alone because I was so thoroughly impressed by it I know all of this is you saving face like don't get mad at me please don't get mad see we like it see your revenge of the seven we like I mean we see we really like Dune it's great I think the it's probably fair to try and reassure people he's not just hating you do get people to get weird but maybe I wonder if it makes a difference at all it's like for me if you were in the school I'd be like it doesn't matter how much you like Dune I just want to see how good your argument is against Dune okay I don't you'll be fine I do have a question though is one day potentially maybe years from now is that where I'm going to poop that out um I guess we're supposed to surely we have to believe I guess it can draw nutrients out of like and consume that fully I guess maybe there's a big whim or maybe it just sucks out what it sucks out and then there's just I don't know just a chassis just gets just dunked in the sand but it's varied hundreds of feet underground maybe I don't know but for all of that it has really holds it back it's structure when you boil it down the original Frank Herbert novel follows a three act structure spoilers for these years do move you ahead by the way but in the first act of the book we have our classic exposition phase as you know we meet the characters they move to the planet Arrakis and we spend a while just hanging out with them as we learn about the setting then wham the inciting incident strikes House of Trades gets attacked by the Harkinons and the plot finally kicks into gear the first act then ends with the Duke dying and Paul going on the run with his mother as the rising action begins to climb and then we move into the second act Paul meets up rising action is going to climb yeah it's rising I was like I think uh because I just interspersed these thoughts here and there as we cover the video but pacing wise for this movie I think this is the one spot in particular really that in memory I just felt like it crawled a little bit was after the after the battle happens and you're with um uh Paul and Jessica in the desert I feel like it's sort of just like okay let's are you talking about after or before Duncan dies uh I think this is this is before Duncan dies right right when they're in the tent thingy because I was thinking when they crash land from the little dragonfly thing and then they walk for a while before they meet up with uh Stilga I was wondering if you thought of that I don't know I could I could see it being similar in my mind I don't recall it I I don't know why but I think that this part just seemed to be at least the after the battle before Duncan that seemed particularly really slow to me dragging out okay that's all right it's just some just a thought cool fremen and then begins to earn their respect leading up to the uh big midpoint twist now I won't give away any further details to you guys who haven't read the book I don't want to spoil it for you but this highlight a bit here is what the plot of the first half of the do novel looks like and when Villeneuve adapts I mean if you say so I I can't know and plus I mean pacing in books and pacing in movies I don't think it's fair to put them one to one to each other yeah um I agree just the way that your brain accepts information through reading especially because even when you're when you're reading it's books are movies you direct in your head and so even when nothing really sorry even when nothing like interest quote-unquote interesting or exciting or incredible is happening you in your head putting together the scenes of characters talking or learning about exposition I think it just comes across different um it's a lot less passive because where books require than a movie requires that's the point of this video is it not um I mean I guess you could argue that what Rags has just said isn't necessarily in contradiction to what close looks like and he's just making the comment in general yeah um I guess we'll see what his point is or if he takes that point and does anything productive with it yeah because the implication of this point is that you see we didn't get the rest of that stuff so that's not in the movie now like things work a bit differently when you do that anyway but we'll see yeah and I'm fine with huge amounts of exposition in a in a movie even if during that exposition I'm learning about characters how does a character react to this information what does a character do with this information what is you know how does the world work a lot of that's very very interesting so I don't know I guess we'll see we'll see what the uh wait for you but this highlight bit here is what the plot of the first half of the do full looks like and when will move adapted doon he decided to simply find the uh 50 percent mark of the book rip the thing at the spine then adapt just well the man framing that framing I think that I'm sure there's a reason for cutting where he did beyond ripping it in half or man that's a yeah it's yeah it feels inexact and arbitrary uh it whereas I can I understand why he ended the movie here I can see why this would be a point where it's like okay it almost has um in a lesser way it's like the end of fellowship uh where you have the amon hen fight you have characters dying they get split off go their separate ways we have a job to do in the future characters go off to do their thing that's where it cuts off and then we get to our next movie similar I think similar it feels to me like a fair place to cut it off in the sense that we've completed something here but wait and we're about to start something I guess it's just the thing of man I would have liked to have seen what we're about to start well I think I think that's a credit to the movie I wanted to see more I was definitely in that position I wonder if um I wonder if the ending would have felt a bit more smooth had the ending been when they get to the siege whatever it is it's introduced to Paul's this enormous amazing new world and then she's like welcome to a new world or something like that and then we hit credits yeah maybe maybe hard to say but it's potentially so whereas this sort of leaves us in a place of I can't wait to see it at all I can't wait until we actually get there we're sort of in a weird way maybe with um alongside Paul in that regard where we haven't seen it either and that's what we're waiting to discover I think both could have worked I think I don't have any issues with the film ending here but if we did what you said Mahler I don't think I'd have any issues with that as well I was cool a little bit off guard I didn't expect it to end here I don't think I did either but I think that's most a lot of that was you get to a certain time amount and you think I feel like we could end in a lot of different places at this point because we've hit the you know X hour mark so you there is part of my body that's just sort of expecting it not necessarily ready for it and excited for it just like expecting it admittedly I think the reason why I thought it was going to end was because I knew that this was split in half like I'd heard that what does a part one at the beginning of the movie it does and it does now quickly though it it says flashes you blink and you miss it it does yeah as as he possibly could here's the thing will move did a nearly perfect job at respecting the source material here like seriously with the exception of a handful of nitpicks such as how he he didn't set up the doctors motivations for betrayal as well as he could have I think that's an epic yeah have done a better job however it is precisely because will move was so loyal to the source material that this movie has frankly by the way that fremen guy there he reminds me of king leonidus he does actually now that you've said that yeah yeah it kind of reminds me of Javier bottom as well let me look let me look him up how sorry you think he looks like Javier Bardem oh a little bit yeah I think enjoy that for a while you're all gonna have so much fun maybe it's maybe it's facial hair that he needs or is that actually him it is ah okay I wanna see some emojis let's do it Javier Bardem looks like Javier Bardem I didn't know with him I didn't know either because I'm not as familiar with that guy I legitimately didn't I legitimately didn't know I didn't know that actor I didn't realize yeah I just used one of the people I was excited to see in the movie I guess it's credit to Fringy that he was able to recognize who it was he was able to recognize him that's that is good that is Javier Bardem performing so well that Fringy wasn't even sure it was him that I didn't even realize it was him that's acting that's acting right there for a second there I was like no he must be talking about like one of the other characters like no way you'll mistake it Oscar Isaac Jason Momoa Javier Bardem my brain was having trouble with that I think for me I think I've only seen him in No Country for Old Men and Skyfall I haven't seen No Country for Old Men yet so good that's a great one but yeah he so I'm not that familiar with him hey what are you doing no don't write that down don't write that rags isn't writing anything as Vilnou was so loyal to the source material that this movie has frankly I feel reluctant to say such a harsh thing about such a good film but Dune quite frankly has an atrocious story structure I don't agree I disagree yeah you're gonna have I think it would be tough to move me into the even bad territory but atrocious he's got a lot of justifying to do now I don't think he can get to atrocious I don't think so I think it's fine I know it's not something that's gonna appeal to a lot of people but that's fine that's not like a problem as far as I'm concerned what are is if Vilnou had given himself permission to alter the book's plot keeping the characters in the essence of the story but adding and stopping still keeping the characters those little breasts I'm starting to notice them all now is it not where on you just being a fake ass person does it not get tiring I don't know man I couldn't do it I couldn't do it this already good movie would have been all the better for it and I'll break down exactly my suggestion how this should have been done in the final section of this video called a better plot Harry Potter no not harry potter again is it like that a thing that he really likes harry potter it's a new book he referenced harry potter like over and over again to attack one of the rings right and I'll break down exactly my suggestion how this should have been done in the final section of this video called a better plot so cringy I would have break down how to fix this in my section called a better plot like you gotta be careful with that I'm gonna fix your movie it's like cause I think you should always present it as an alternative rather than strictly better unless it's just a shit film oh yeah I guess yeah we really try to save calling it better for times where you're basically like I will keep everything that you try to achieve but also just remove the things that are damaging it or something like that but even then you really sterile about it yeah like and not fix adjust you know just as an alternative an alternative idea potential potential fascinating conversation because when adapting a story is the most important thing respecting the source material or making the best possible movie so what's more important respecting the source or making it the best possible movie I mean for us this is an easy answer yeah it feels like you asked your own question there it feels loaded doesn't it what would you rather X or the best thing best thing I guess I'll take the best thing so well and good to say well you should try to do both the same time he's doing a voice on top of his voice he's doing a fake voice with his fake voice he's doing a double voice you know what that takes talent Rags to have your fake voice doing a fake voice wasn't the only reason we got the Harry Potter for it so he could make the voice of the character I guess so okay that's weird okay it's all well and good to say well you should try to do both the same time they're both equally as also I can't speak as to whether or not the Harry Potter movies are even good it's been so long since I've seen them and I certainly haven't been that critical of them I just don't know I can't say whether they're good nor can I say whether they're faithful I read the books ages ago but like I said that was a long time ago the movies are like 20 years old they are at this point as important not a practical philosophy and you'll realise that when you inevitably run into a ton of moments where you have to prioritise one over the other I don't disagree with that wait did he said it's not a practical philosophy to to both be 100% faithful and to create the best movie yes because some books are shit exactly should you be allowed to go against the source material if doing so improves the entertainment value of your film if you ask me the answer to that is easily yes and 2021's dune is what convinced me but this is the internet and I'm not pretending to be some omnipotent critic if you think respecting the source material should always be the main priority no matter what who's to say which one of us is wrong well no one is because neither of us he's just random movie visuals essentially is what we have for now yeah this whole issue is largely subjective and I totally respect that like when he says largely subjective he's like what's the objective part it's no objective I like to know what he thinks if I could ask him so which part of that is the objective part I'd love to know that's right up my alley so respectfully allow me to voice my opinion as to why this approach of total loyalty to the source material had a terrible consequence on screen is this movie's structure and if you know anything at all about story structure you'll immediately realize what's wrong here so you fucked up already do you remember the graph do you know that graph that you read about that one thing you should already know what the problem is it's amazing that there was something wrong with the structure of it deviates from the one that you think is the one always I don't mind this at all this line if you just presented me with this line and say think of a cool movie that could have this where a nice slow burn steak building that's what this looks like to me we got some exposition at the beginning some world building some character establishment then we get our inciting incident but it's a little subtle and then it gets more and more tense and the steaks rise a little more and more and more until it gets really dangerous at the end there's nothing about that that doesn't work by the way this is inaccurate I don't think this represents the movie when I blow up and they attack I feel like that's a big spike that's a big whole spike it's a big deal the reason it's a big deal is because we've spent so much time establishing all of this stuff and then like the the thopter scene and then it comes back down and then it goes big and then it comes back down and then it's like gap and then the Duncan fight and then come back down again and then we have the thing fight and then we end it feels like more like that and at that point like we're looking at something very custom here I don't know that we should be like yeah so I'm like well you're not supposed to do that you're supposed to go idiot and you're like oh I didn't know the once again somebody who's clearly being like most of this is subjective and we're like oh we disagree exactly probably what those things are but anyway go ahead and then they tell us something this is wrong this is the right way to tell stories and this is the wrong way we wouldn't say that not here in this place let's see here this graph thing's interesting me so what if we took a fellowship of the ring right if we were going to do like a weird plot graph or whatever it is for fellowship of the ring I wonder what would that look like let's see let me get my thing out here I think the main thing that you will notice is that basically like pretty much any story ever is going to have like peaks and then dips it's not just going to be like a steady one like this so we have some shire stuff and then oh there's we got a bit of the ring going on oh you guys have to leave okay we got the ring right oh you guys leave the shire goes down a little bit then we see some ring race you can just you can go ahead and we can continue with the video if you want I don't know I guess I could or you could narrate a simple version of the entire plot line of fellowship of the ring it's really up to you I don't know which one did you rather here I probably play the video we'll talk about and then when you're done with the thing we can show us what here's one thing we could make this interactive in a way we all four of us could do it and we could see how they align I don't even know what we're doing I just came back that's fine I guess we could we could do it later I will abstain oh we'll bring it we didn't get three acts we got a first act and half of a second so again so this is something I mentioned earlier in the video and I guess it's probably worth clarifying like there are other stories besides the three act structure and simply when I said like the film is just act one basically that's not like a that's not really like a complaint in and of itself um because once the second film comes out and they're all together it's like oh well I mean I guess that's gone right because I've got the complete story now um there is more than just the three act structure it's the most common one it's not the only one well because what we're ultimately appealing to as well is just going to be audience satisfaction and three act structure seems to work pretty well but you can already that's right with all those words you can already see like well so generally so what also works but unconventionally and it's like well there's loads of films that do unconventional act structures there's four act structures there's uh yeah there's a lot of different ways to do it it's a two and a half hour long film by the way and it means the inciting incident you know the moment where the plot actually begins the plot I don't like this either by the way so that's the problem is the plot begins at the beginning of the movie yeah I mean I would say the first very important thing that happens the emperor is commissioned to which you could argue is an inciting incident he's just referring to a specific inciting incident within this structure that's the problem right when because this probably was the inciting incident in the book but this is the movie and if this was only the movie and there was no part two and it was just this one story it's like well then I guess this wouldn't be the inciting incident it would be like way earlier in the film well yeah and what if this film ended when they hook back up with Duncan and they all go like you know they say some stuff and we calm back down it's like this would no longer be the inciting incident this would just be the fucking climax yeah it doesn't happen until one hour and 15 minutes in that's 50% of the way into the film see okay there's a problem here for language significantly like you're telling me this is a problem to have your inciting incident 50% in and I'm like so everything that happened in that first 50% you consider that what and he's like set up I'd be like what about the action scenes what about the things that move characters to do particular things like this doesn't count because it's not what it's not the biggest actions like how did you determine this exactly yeah everything and then once we figure all that out unless they agree with him how is it a problem how is it not do the only reason it's something you shouldn't do is because you read in a book that you're not supposed to do that but then I'll just point to you would like another film and just argue that the inciting incident was actually this instead of that what what is the incite incident for Falsha for the ring exactly um the I would probably say that it's um Gandalf discovering with the ring that it's truly the one ring I think that's probably fair I think that's what kicks off a lot of the behaviors of the like that's what gets Frodo to leave the Shire that is what is that's what starts him on this journey right I think that's fair I guess what I'm suggesting with this is like you know like the whole prologue how exciting and engaging and informative it all is if someone was like well yeah but you know that's the setup or like it gets brushed away because it's not it's before the inciting incident or something like this this it's all important that's why and inciting inciting incident is not just the first action scene exactly that's what I'm getting at I find this way with framing this very strange the inciting incident for Harry Potter is when Gandalf fuck I'm so sorry Ganondorf Dumbledore Dumbledore arrives at the Dursley's house right I'd say that's the inciting incident well hmm I don't know it's complicated right because generally the inciting incident when you think about it from the POV of the main character is the thing that disrupts their normal situation it is it is things have changed and now they have to progress from there so you could say the inciting incident was them just moving to Arrakis because that is the change or or even more so the fact that them getting like you said earlier the Emperor's Decree I feel like when that happens everything else happens the story has been incited things would carry on as like typically would in this world but this the reason that in this world this is what our story is about is because of this event in the world if we argue that then we can argue that the big action scene is the second act low point we could we could start really altering this we can mutate it to the point where we could maybe even argue that it is a regular three act structure it doesn't feel that way and I don't think I would call it that but the thing is this is a flimsy fucking system that you can push and pull in different directions yeah and you don't even need the three act structure nope before that is simply the exposition phase that lays the groundwork for what's to come like a lot of people complain that this movie just has a lethargically slow pace and this is the reason for reference but are they correct or is that just what they say I just agree I don't think it's a lethargically slow I agree for me personally it was a little bit too slow but I wouldn't go that far I know plenty of people who find it slow I didn't find it slow so now what do we do yeah yeah yeah it's like I see why but I I don't know what I'm gonna do I'm not even calling the pace bad just for me personally that's like legit just be like it could be a little bit faster but it's not terrible I like how he's just like this is the reason yeah it's like oh okay you got it alright you nailed it nice in most writing circles it's agree that you want to have your insight against it happen by about the 12% mark of your story oh god I hate it I hate this advice I hate it but what if I'm doing something else nope 12% 12% wait I don't know 12% well let's see I'm curious occurs within the first act and sometimes it is considered the act one break so like I don't know so let's take the fellowship of the ring as an example that is two hours and 58 minutes let's just call it straight up three hours right 12% into a three hour movie minute wise is someone help me out here because I'm fucking shit at math no we do so I guess we take 680 times 0.12 so if 18 minutes is 10% in then we're a three hour movie so that's 180 minutes times 0.12 so 21 and a half minutes in I think that's how math works let me know if I'm there's the graph the one that you always see that's where he got this is the God graph everyone's supposed to abide by so that means 21 and a half minutes into the fellowship of the ring is when the inciting incident should occur but let me check fellowship do I not have a copy of that on my I totally should no I documents fellowship but the funny thing is that you have different ones where the inciting incident is actually much later in act one and sometimes it's the act one break so I don't know what 12% is like I don't know what I just I just you know why I hate that as advice like no I know it's like mine's a 20% and he's like hmm what wait wait a minute it's like what about the context of the story I'm trying to tell if someone in chat has a copy of fellowship of the ring let me know what the time stamp is for they're about discovering what the ring I might just have a copy I know I have it somewhere it's weird that it's not popping up because I use the footage for I don't know I got somewhere and I think I'm pretty sure I kept the Lord of the Rings ones when I was clearing up space but I'm curious to know I'd be curious how many movies I have now I think I have over 2000 so hopefully I have Lord of the Rings I'll be a good one to have wouldn't it wait so what exactly do you want scene-wise a general time point where Gandalf discovers that the ring is the one ring and he confronts Frodo about it 34 minutes where does he say 34 34 so if the 12% mark is 21 and a half minutes and it happens at how many minutes 34 34 uh oh bucking trends Mr. Jackson he was bucking the trend yeah it's frustrating I'm sure what close look would say though well no no you can move it you can stretch it it's just advice it's a guideline almost like why though why is that is that just where it happens to be oftentimes I'm starting to think inciting incident isn't even a definitive thing it'll change based on everything else that happens in your story if that makes sense like what I'm suggesting is if my whole story was a guy who sat in a room talking to somebody um maybe he close look like well the inside incident is the second that this movie starts because he's already talking I'm like what if there just isn't one how do you even determine it exactly because if I think about 12th angry man like the inciting incident happens like one minute into the movie I was just sent a picture here um thank you Wolfie um he showed me a screen cap of the 21 and a half minute mark which is 12% into the movie and it's Bilbo's birthday party Gandalf setting fireworks off so well that's inciting incident right they spawned firework dragon and it scares the populace at frame 26000 second act starts in every good movie such odd rules but very well let us press on this is a massive problem in itself but from here the movie structure just we've just determined that's a massive problem in and of itself everything before that is simply the exposition phase that lays the groundwork for what's to come a lot of people complain that this movie just has a lethargically slow pace and this is the reason for it's not just slow it's lethargically yeah he's out to be confused with excitingly slow or energetically slow exactly for reference in most my inciting incident refers to the point of no return the problem is you can call several moments that in certain stories I think it is a I think the inciting incident should be it's almost it almost defines itself it is the incident or the thing that occurs that sets the plot into motion as we you know the main plot into motion we had like two plots at once though you could have two inciting incidents per if they're not linked like if you have two things that they're following two stories and maybe they meet up maybe they don't well yeah like you know I'm investigating a murder and you just fix your PC and we meet at the end of the storyline for some reason that gets to it it's like the inciting incident at that point is going to be it we have to be too right like your PC breaking and then the person being murdered yeah I get yeah I guess if it's two unrelated plot lines you'd have to have two different inciting incidents unless the second plot line there there wasn't anything about it that was like if you had a story with you know let's say we robbed a bank EFAP robbed a bank and we we get the money in our big big sacks and they have the little money sign on them as they do and we're in our getaway car and I'm shooting with my Tommy going to the coppers and it's great and we're going down the road and then we get a flat tire oh no so we happen to yeah don't don't worry it was not done yet and but then we see another car coming down the road and we hold them up at gunpoint so get out of the car we're going to take your car so we can get away yeah and we've been following the owners of that second car on and off this entire time but nothing interesting happens with them so then we catch up to that's where they the two of us meet so the first one is definitely more plot like they're both technically plots but the bank robbing sequence is I guess plot one and plot two is this family who just basically got carjacked right so do they have an inciting incident for them or is it just coincidentally we're just getting expositional information or backstory to them and there's not even an inciting incident for the story because they're out of story after that we take their car they're there sitting on the side of the road we zoom away that's it they're just done with the story it's not about them anymore so what then what about that memento it's a film that's essentially told backwards do we argue that the inciting incident is now at the end of the film and yeah like what a film it opens up with us robbing the bank and then we all get shot dead and the rest of the film that was a flash forward right and then we go back to how it all started and it's like well what if we push those limits where an hour of the movie is the robberies end and the aftermath and then the next hour is a flashback to how it all happened so wouldn't the incite incident then be like at the back end of the movie and is that wrong no that would just story moeller that would just be bad ok wraps that up in a neat little boat yeah like a retroactive inciting incident you've done it wrong you're not allowed to do that I don't know why like you can take the three act structures a good example a good general advice but you don't have to you have to be so rigid with it that would basically be the point I like the three act structure I think it's a really good straightforward understandable way to tell a story that has rising tension and action peaks and dips it's just a really it's a really solid system but it is not the only way and whatever you're appealing to that is good about that system can be found in other systems there is something more fundamental the lying good storytelling then like these general ideas of where things ought to be placed and how you ought to have characters act and how it ought to be structured it's just there's something deeper than that and so I think it's about cutting to the root of that rather than because I think the problem that you run into is if you just take a lot of these pieces of advice at face value it fucks you up it derails you it means that you're so concerned with like all of these rules that you don't really know what's underpinning them you've just been told that that's the right way that's the way you're supposed to do it and that if you deviate from these things you're wrong and then you start to find that a lot of the rules contradict each other it's like well in this instance you can do that well if you're doing this then you can do that well actually you want to avoid this trope but if you do it this way then it can work and it's like what am I working with here what is like the fundamental thing that's finding this you don't find that in a lot of other disciplines like with art there are fundamentals there's form there's shape like shapes lighting like there's these core things that will anything that you're working on you can boil it down to like three or four core principles of art and it's the same with music like with a lot of the fundamental principles but for some reason I don't know with storytelling we don't do that it's just um it's frustrating I think it leads a lot of people in Australia I think a lot of people abandon stories that could have been really cool because they are not what you've been told you're supposed to do I mean if your if his argument in total was well I'm just trying to explain how to get a more broad appeal it might be like I don't want broad appeal broad appeal is shit fuck broad appeal that's what I'm saying like and if he goes oh okay and it's like but the thing is he's describing how like to improve it categorically not about necessarily broad appeal um also someone says he doesn't want to say the O word he doesn't no definitely not this is funny because this isn't objective like this isn't what you're actually appealing to he probably say it's it's not entirely subjective or something like that we'd be like be specific please be honest own it own a position you think that this is fundamentally the correct true yeah you are convinced of a position try and convince me that you're correct exactly yeah um someone in chat don't hide if I can't handle a world where guns and computers are irrelevant they can't grasp the reality like that our whole issue was that those things aren't irrelevant in dune they have guns in dune they have computers in dune they just don't have ones apparently specific ones that have been outlawed which again that needed to be in the movie oh ai it's kind of confusing to understand what it was the argument was because it's not in because it's in the books I don't think it plays into the movie at all but in books yet again the creation of ai is illegal you are not allowed it's one of the one of the I can certainly accept that as a rule it's a and it is a religious rule too okay it is based is a religious rule it says you shall not make machines in the image of man well then can we just clarify computers and ai are the same thing I know I was just bringing it up yeah yeah okay it's just people said computers that's all they literally are guns in the movie so I don't know why you'd say guns are outlawed yeah agree that you want to have your own sight against and happen by about the 12% mark of your story this is a massive problem in itself but from here the movie structure just gets why tell me why it's not a problem it's not a problem massive problem I'm rolling back by a good half a minute just to make sure we catch on because we've been chipping away a little bit there but like yeah I'm pretty sure I think let's just take it a face value that's just not what you're supposed to do when you're like all right then just hold on someone said so it's in the book is okay when rag says it no I just think it's an interesting thing I just brought up an interesting little thing about the book that's all I did all rag said was in the book they outlawed ai he literally said it's not in the movie said it's not relevant did he say it's relevant to that listening comrade shat I don't know wow rags hypocrite much did you realize what's wrong here we didn't get three acts we got a first act and half of a second it's a two and a half hour long film by the way and the inciting incident you know the moment where the plot actually begins it doesn't happen until one I want to break him over the uh well yeah calls Jesus about where the plot actually begins it's like what the fuck does that mean as opposed to where it doesn't actually begin yeah because obviously all the time before the inciting incident it's kind of irrelevant plot wise like you are wrong you're just wrong there's a story happening hour and 15 minutes in that's 50% of the way into the film like everything before I love the framing I'm sorry just he makes it sound so drastic like we are in trouble everyone it's like no we're not 50% of the film it's like what's trouble yeah like yeah what's wrong who's dying that is simply the exposition phase that lays the ground simply wants to come by the way exposition can be better than its story also some stories stories can be shit and maybe exposition in an interesting world is way more way better than a crappy story to a degree the exposition phase never ends listen if I see any exposition at 13% or later someone's getting fired because they fucked up probably shoot them as well you fucking meet a new character like 60% and you're just like no god because he's gonna say hello my name is you know that's you're done fucked it no new characters past the 50% mark no wait sorry past the 12% mark was it that's right 12% and no new informations not allowed screwing up your story idiot fucking stupid like a lot of people complain that this movie just has a lethargically slow pace and this is the reason for reference in most writing circles it's agree that you want to have your inciting incident happen by about the 12% mark of your story this is a massive problem in itself I like how he said in most writing circles they agree on this and not having that is a massive problem you're like what I feel like that's not a through line you've highlighted how some people think it is yeah and some people don't clearly didn't even know he clearly disagrees with you because he did it this way from here the movie structure just gets weirder because after this we have our rising action you know as a pool and his mother rising action rising action the run away and they get chased they meet up with the fremen the story is actually ramping up as you know the harkadins chase after them then we have a knife fight things getting exciting and the story suddenly stops without giving us any climax or form of denouement Paul almost died we didn't know if Paul was remember Paul gets the vision right before then that we don't know if he's gonna give in to yet I guess I gotta go on defense for this now because they're going way too far the other end Paul's decided I'm not gonna flee the planet I'm gonna stay with these people they are my people and my dad was charged with taking care of them and that I was sent here he basically seemed to me as a character that actually I'm gonna commit to being with the fremen I'm gonna go with the fremen to the fremen place that is like a setup for what's to come next look at the meme the meme was really good I was about to post that 12 angry percent yeah I just the idea that there's nothing at the end that's a good example 12 anger men's inciting incident is the fucking opening yeah I mentioned that earlier the trial is about to begin the inciting incident the alleged crime well I wonder how far you can go is it the big bang well it sounds like 12 angry men fucked up then is it bad? oh yeah it's awful which is funny because there's no there's no world where fucking close to look there's a lot of balls with that kind of concern now of course he'd be wrong anyway but I'm just saying like he'd be the person if he watched like Casablanca and he didn't like it he wouldn't tell anybody he'd say he'd be like Chris Stockwood yeah I agree yeah with Blade Runner I had to have watched it 6 times he still liked it because I mean Citizen Kane Citizen Kane is a very spread out plot it is yeah Citizen Kane is an interesting one because it doesn't say that that film follows rigidly the three act structure I would agree it's actually got a somewhat unconventional yeah no and that movie is excellent everyone see Citizen Kane it's the Citizen Kane of movies it is the Citizen Kane of movies same name I see it as well I like the idea by the way that someone points out oh you know good old fucking Wonder Woman 84 it's got the three act structure so good you know the three act structure oh great I'm so glad it probably does by the way I think it does the inciting incident is when Steve comes back the second act's low point is when I guess Steve has to die again will the inciting incident not be when he becomes a wish stone oh well no because the check up needs to be for Wonder Woman specifically not for him he's so much more of the protagonist than she is I know that he is if it was his story it would be his inciting incident yes because like you remember the part where he gets back to his son realizes that's what matters the most it feels so much more like it's his journey and his arc Wonder Woman just gets in the way yeah go away it's a film where I want the protagonist to go away don't be in this story Wonder Woman I want you to be out of this movie called Wonder Woman I wanna see this guy Wonder Max when that woman in my theater shout it is that it I totally empathize with her and I imagine most of you guys can too ok but what about the people shouting that was fucking amazing what about the people shouting that was it my god that was wow what a big movie yeah what about the super loud fart and the guy that said god I've been holding that in for two hours man you raise an interesting point man who just farted in my ear I like this appeal too you see this woman felt this way I can explain it you're like who is this woman hashtag believe women what about the woman who said she loved it we don't believe her we don't believe her this movie has no form of resolution in the end I genuinely enjoy this movie let me just get that cross I I genuinely enjoy it this movie was bone chilling bone chilling it's my favorite film of the year easily and that is what if he turned around went oh what do you feel about that ending she goes I want more I love this that was amazing I just want more and it's like you mean there's a problem with the ending yes and then she's like no I just want more it doesn't adhere to the three-act structure have you noticed it doesn't adhere to the three-act structure and he's just like what I can just picture someone pouring acid on it be like stop talking hahahaha I just got a bag of acid what are you saying I got a bag of acid I would have gone with pepper spray or something I like acid that's funny that's why funny I didn't get any pepper spray from home so I just made some acid at home someone said well that's a leap as if you've never taken acid to the cinema before hahahaha oh I'm an innocent guy I would never do that hahahaha people talking about the three-act structure man they're so annoying in the cinema love spraying acid in their face just the whole Thanos fight in the Hulk in Infinity War I was watching some guys like is this the inciting incident or has that happened already what do you think well it's funny because get out of my way you have acid for his face so they don't have any acid hahahaha I left my acid at home three-act structure the three-act structure hahahaha nice I genuinely enjoy this movie it's my favourite film of the year easily and that is precisely why I'm so irritated because if Phil Noove had given himself permission to deviate from the source material didn't give himself his whoa calm down the way gave himself permission what if this was his vision man it was his vision I love the idea Phil was in the editing room just saw stuff out the close look walks in, pats him on the back and be like you can give yourself permission to create your own vision he's just like who the fuck are you acid who are you why are you talking like that security security security is not allowed to remove me from the premises this is the inciting incident of my day he wakes up he goes ah the inciting incident break the acid I must now take care to not drop the soap or another inciting incident will occur the plot this movie would have gone from being quite good to one of the best movies ever made oh boy it's good but calm down it's calm down but rags what if we make it a the three-act structure wouldn't it be incredible you don't agree sounds like you agree you think it would be incredible it would beat out lord the rings in a heartbeat if it had the fucking three-act structure move over lord of the rings because lord of the rings has a lord of the rings does have a very rigid three-act structure that's why it won this fight that's why it won all the awards that's why it made all the monies and the famousnesses I can what some of you have already typed in the comments well you're wrong it's part one of a two-path story yes a great number of people were left unsatisfied by the film's end sorry they were what happened one of the problems right now do we need this back to harry potter it's so entertaining how can you make the point without showing harry potter just don't show harry potter what who is this metal guy coming up with these crazy ideas next you'll say that five-act structure is good five-act structure is really good five-act structure probably is pretty good unironically I guess if you want to break it down even further well so I remember I watched a I think it was a podcast that John did where he said like you could basically just keep dividing you can just keep dividing the acts down you could have a 50-act story really or I think the point that might have been made actually is that anything can be you can keep chopping it up into like threes and just see how it works from there it's like that he goes from a high-pitched voice to a slightly different high-pitched voice as a character yeah it's funny oh what are you writing oh yeah I went 12 minutes into gadelp declared that you have completed the perfect really made unsatisfied so it's all fine that's all well and good but pointing out why the floor is in the film there's nothing to erase the fact that it's not a floor we haven't agreed on that dude what is it wow they do the whole it's all subjective also this is a floor you cannot escape I was like I'm sorry what you just made a very bold claim you just asserted it as if it was true you have not done any work to convince me you've done it it's a very bold claim I would never make such a bold claim never storytelling jeez in the it does nothing to change how most people were left just really unsatisfied feeling as if they how did you ask them all we've passed your insight against it can you please get to the details come on you're just asserting that everyone was unsatisfied I'm like I just don't buy that I don't believe it the reception to this movie seems to be pretty positive positive yeah so badly if you're writing a series of books or a season of TV or releasing a series of movies it simply is the best practice to make sure every individual you release has its own satisfying self-contained structure the hunky games don't like the implication then that these things the dune doesn't have that yeah the chief problem with the recent dune movie was where it violated that vial vial the pre-act structure was raped get to pre-act structure please dune has violated our rule relieve fremen get on melting sticks they have to die get all out can you please give us more justification for this position instead of telling us it's the case pretend that we don't automatically agree with everything that you say and you might have to do a little bit of work to convince us of stuff the installment you release has its own satisfying self-contained structure and the chief problem with the recent dune movie was where it violated that tenet now if this were a season of TV this wouldn't really be a problem so all we have to do is wait and tune in again the same time next week oh no you didn't just make us a time sensitive as a rule if it's not long enough it's fine oh god is he actually telling me that if dune came out in a week's time it would be fine wait so in two years from now is this fine if we had production problems with the two towers and it never happened then the fellowship of the ring would become retroactively shit apparently yeah that's probably shit already because he'd consider itself contained by any rule he fucking makes we could argue it's not but because of the movie we aren't going to get that closure for at least two years because it's going to take that long for the next so what about the people who first watched dune in two years from now what about them what about the people who've read the book and it doesn't fucking matter what about the people who were just patient and don't care I'm blown away by this so stupid like you can only break this structure and don't break it with your additional content that comes out soon what it's fucking weird dude man swan to come out if you're adapting between two mediums and you're lucky you don't have to change anything and you're lucky what the fuck advice is that just do it and throw shit at the wall and see what sticks I guess if you're lucky it's good what are we doing what a weird and my heinous you can get over the violated part the drastic sentence I'm violated this world damn them all do not violate the laws of the three act structure I am the law like the first harry potter book it's a relatively short novel with like a nice concise structure that easily lends itself to film a nice concise structure that lends itself to film it's like thank you for explaining how many of that works does the fact that it lends itself well to film does that have anything to do with writing the screenplay for that film was just a piece of piss really because all you had to do was just literally so is harry potter a good film then by his metric it's just a great film I don't know and is the book good I don't know either because it sounds like what he's telling us is that being a loyal adaptation of the harry potter book led to a great film because the book was like film ready whatever that means but exactly what the hell does any of what I just said mean because dune is it's probably a really difficult film to make I don't think you could do a dune movie that is really standard and traditional just because of the way that that book is sort of done now I have a question actually because he's saying loyal adaptations don't work but now you've started an example where you could be loyal and it worked because the book was suited to that format you described it as lucky so that's still not a point then it's not anything what do you mean lucky what does that mean what does luck mean lucky that it's adaptable I don't know what if movies hadn't been invented what now what if you were standing up in an auditorium or something giving this presentation at a university before the film was invented then what because you I don't know like what could you say I guess he called it why loyal adaptations won't work won't work still tried don't even give it a shot no no more I think he's just saying Harry Potter does the three acts right he's not saying it's a good movie just because of it well it sounded like that's what he was saying but isn't the whole point of this video that the fatal flaw for Dune is that it doesn't adhere to the three act structure I thought that was the point yeah and then he's like it is a flaw and explaining why the flaw is there doesn't make it not a flaw it's like ooh okay I said I like to be a little bit more my foundations like to be stronger if I'm gonna call something a definitive flaw then yeah it's not the three act structure it's like mmm okay translate the scene exactly what happened in the novel and cut out maybe a few bits here and there and there you go the screen please of course it's not a loyal adaptation if it's cut out pieces right okay yeah it is it is disloyal it is violated loyalty disloyal violated loyalty it basically writes itself but if you're unlucky as a director you're adapting a book that is simply too big and there is no choice but to walk the source material if you want to make this a lot of movies you don't have to you don't have to yeah could do the tv series movie it's possible for you to make but let me get this straight dividing this book into two movies was a good choice from your move that was a genuinely good choice okay but where did he fail where did he try to do the entire novel in one go and it was simply too much breaking this up was a good it was simply too much that's all we get moving on don't even ask don't even ask just click play what was a mistake however was keeping the same plot and so let me throw my hand at the ring here is my suggestion for what a better plot this is oh here we go you tell us man okay a lot of people have said that this film felt too short and that we needed more time sure we should have gone past the 50% mark and included some of Paul's adventures with the Fremen but after giving it a think I think I appreciate dunes more slow burn style and spray printed out I do appreciate that especially in a theatrical setting I think we needed because there's so much world to explain I feel like we're going to be fine as soon as dune 2 comes out and we'll look back and be like well why don't we have this criticism for every like first in trilogies or duologies or duologies they would have the same problem right or at least could do that was actually too here's my suggestion right what the movie should have done was cut out the entire last 40% of the movie where you know Paul his mother run away instead saving that for the sequel and frame the harkening attack not as the midpoint but as the climax of the movie so you're saying it's extended even more so what would be the answer why would that have been better so we're moving we're cutting out everything post that but we're cutting out the last yeah that'll be the end of the movie alright I mean so the problem here is that we're in such vagaries that I guess you could make any ideas or ideas right what I'm saying with that is like if I go let's change it so that the whole movie is just about the spice mining we don't even get that big battle it's like is that impossible to be good well no but it's hard to say yeah how does it match up to your seemingly arbitrary list of rules that's determined are the correct rules to use that will be how we try and judge this I guess it's how does it match with his triac structure I don't know haven't gone close far enough there isn't enough content really to support a sense of rising action here from there so we'll have to take some creative liberties what I think is the best is because the Duke is such an important character throughout this section of the book it makes sense not for just Paul to be the protagonist but for both Paul and his dad he's your protagonist Lito is a pretty prominent in this movie he's very important he's very likable and yeah it's tragic to see him die you like him a lot he's a good guy yeah he's a good dude have their own separate plots so firstly with the whole beginning on Caledon you know the fight with Gurney, the ceremony the heart tight with Paul and his dad their every mother scene like all of that is just perfection but keep it all exactly as we got perfection but when they arrive on Arrakis this is where things really start to diverge we're about half an hour into the movie here so we're long overdue for an inciting incident so as the oh my god are we what are the rules what university like she told you oh no we're at the 20% point there so we are well overdue we're nearly twice overdue so what did the chassid Filmento approve this like dude Filmento if he's in the coal with him when he said we're long overdue for an inciting incident Filmento would be like yes very true yes this is like rule 78 for V everyone knows that's rule yeah yeah these arrive on Arrakis something terrible has to happen because there isn't really a good enough inciting incident here in the book we'll have to make something up what we'll have to make something up an inciting incident doesn't have to be exciting or action packed it can be subtle it can be just two characters talking imagine you're in the boardroom with him like figuring out the fucking screenplay and he's like there's nothing good in the book we have someone blow up like what just have to make something up ah it's interesting to hear why he thinks it's going to work in the book but it doesn't work on the movie then like what's the why doesn't it work why doesn't it work in the book as it is but we need to change it for the movies all you'd have to say is that just the different mediums and not have to explain further ok then Gurley says he'll station men around the shield generator because if he were attacking this place that would be his first target and then not one minute later we get a payoff for that the fremen attack the city the shield generator failing at the perfectly wrong moment they're targeting the spice refineries this of course makes sense because the fremen have been hammered brutally by the Harkinans they're so they're preemptively striking assuming that the atreides are just as bad as them it's not really favourable to the fremen is it we're going to not like them quite a significant bit at that point and that just completely changes the whole thing where the Stilgar or Stilgar Stilgar like that completely destroys the whole scene when he comes to you can't have that scene at that point you can't have that scene where they go like ok that's honourable we're kind of cool I guess like we have to change that whole scene like that changes a lot when the fremen attack our protagonists like jeez just to have the fremen decide we're going to attack whoever arrives here it's not very I don't feel like the fremen would do that because they know they have like all these resources because they are sent from the empire and everything make a lot of sense when you've sent Duncan to meet them and to try and like parlay yeah and that because if we still have that we need them to we probably have to get the fremen to have them captured or jailed or whatever or even killed because if he just chills out with them for four weeks and is like oh yeah they're cool I respect them they just attack the city it's like really check out this has ripple effects for the whole story yeah so we have a fight sequence as the trailer of course we gotta get that this is feels like common audience brain rot like ugh give me away the fremen attackers pool gets into the thick of it repelling the raid when he comes face to face with Zendaya and he gets all flustered and stops fighting because she's the woman I don't know is it Zendaya or Zendaya I don't know I thought it was Zendaya I was just curious I didn't I've never heard it that pronounced that way before from his dreams he didn't think she was real what's going on and he gets all confused by her and because he gets all confused he nearly gets killed because he's not minding his surroundings once the fight is over we show how for every day like five atreides men so I guess the problem here is this is kind of funny to think about given the whole point of the inciting incident in terms of the role that it plays generally the idea is that it's meant to like so if we had that dude we're changing the story like very dramatic like if the inciting incident is supposed to be them getting attacked by the bad guys and the inciting incident is instead that Paul nearly dies in an ambush by the Freeman it's like dude this is like pretty radically different because I would expect in that case that the the story is now going to revolve around a conflict with the Freeman rather than what it's supposed to be which is that they were attacked by an outside force and then they link up with the Freeman to take to fight back this is just a different story at this point yeah well I'm pretty sure Dune 2 is going to rely on the fremen being relatively neutral in the first one yeah because of things that are going to roll out the idea that they openly just fucking wipe out the atreides house as soon as they land it changes way too much what's going on and he gets all confused by her and because he gets all confused he nearly gets killed because he's not minding his surroundings once the fight is over we show how for every dead fremen like five atreides men were lost and the spice refineries as well have just been critically damaged things are looking very well now it's getting confusing because we're like what was the Harkid and Sabotage Sabotage what fucked everything up or was it the Fremen attack afterwards Gurney inspects the shield generator and finds out that it was Sabotage confirming the terrible truth that someone within the Duke's inner circle is a traitor this is where the plot for the Duke really starts to ramp up as he's hunting down this traitor within his midst trying to find them or it's too late in the sort of murder mystery style story but soon after this we get I feel bad for just like when someone says like let me fix your shoe and they come back with a table you're like is that the table you're going to fix my shoe on oh you no 500 bucks please get that whole scene where the dj can pull go out to inspect this spice trawler as the worm attacks and when you actually think about it plot wise this very scene the movie doesn't actually have any payoff in terms of plot so we're going to actually change that in sort of what so the payoff this has it hold the fuck man the payoff that this has is that it confirms that they've been sabotaged by the people who were there before them and their arbitrator doesn't do anything about it do anything about it which actually really it's really important actually also does a lot for let us character as well absolutely like this you see the effect that spice has on him and you see what the sand whims do exactly this is his favorite movie of the year what did he like about it he's just a sand aficionado really he's the anti-anican man i want to say it right now hotag i think this plot suggest is pretty fucking shit how did he say that when he's made the video meaning he probably watched the movie twice right right i hope so he doesn't have anything actually for the plot so we're going to actually change that i think he's not allowed to use the word actually ever again we have to ban it from him actually is another one of those words you start noticing how often you say you try and cut it down i harped on that word before someone had said yeah someone had said actually when what they it's like saying actually this ice was pretty cold it's like no no not actually you expect ice to be cold and you know that if you ban them from using that word they'll start using literally or legitimately or i think the problem is actually has become an emphasis word for a lot of people but it's used inappropriately because actually should be describing something you know it is one thing but it is in reality the other thing as opposed to just saying actually because you want a bigger word in there to buff out your sentence it is definitely a filler word that a lot of people use right and all this all of these miners and workers are rushing on to the shit all in the chaos and runs away seeking out the fremen on his own why why he runs away from his family just because he was like into the desert and then gets eaten by the worm because he's not doing the foot thing and now find him because i have ships and it's a desert why is this the plot line now is he arguing he would do that because he saw Zendaya fucking earlier and that's like i gotta find her i love her like what is the reasoning here i just want to listen to that again because i'm lost here these miners and workers are rushing on to the ship pool in the chaos puts on a still suit and runs away seeking out the fremen on his own like a pool obsessed with seeing the girl from his vision it is it is just because he wants that pussy what the fuck bad as his whole family okay no oh my god it's just getting worse and also wishing to soothe the relationship between his house and local family okay goes into the desert against his father's wishes showing a nice degree of agency okay degree of agency and fucking idiocracy in this instance yeah idiocy is what i was talking about sorry i i i love that the idea because like i as we talked about i do like that scene the um the whole sand thingy rescue just a couple of issues out of it um the idea that he's just like now is my chance to just run away you're like i'd be like what the fuck is going on oh uh through the desert he eventually finds still guard and you know that whole scene we got in the uh the end of the movie with a knife fight well we bring it way forward and have it here you know Paul kills his first man and things are extremely tense the fremen truly dude i'd be so lost if this was the story we're like what the fuck are we doing now why did we change why did we change this to that you know hate pool and his family because of course they hate them like of course they hate off-worlders they've been subjugated by them for decades but no that doesn't quite line up does it we hate off-wilders just all of them no matter who it's like hocking in atreides doesn't matter we hate you all because you only come here and be mean when it's like that's clearly not the case i don't think that makes the fremen look good if they only like anybody who's alien they hate it's like oh that's bigotry my dude yeah and if they are then they are it's i mean i guess it's fine if they are i don't think they would be the how they're portrayed in the movie they seem pretty intelligent and like reasonable we turn them into like the savages who hate anybody who doesn't look like them it's like oh fuck it sucks that's kind of boring and lame but i guess you can make that change if you wanna Paul shows signs that he's you know the chosen one and he comes in peace so reluctantly extremely reluctantly they give him a chance then the big midpoint twist it gets real that the harkinons are amassing a fleet above the planet intending on attacking and tensions are rising and then the fleet comes down they're moving towards the planet and the duke orders the alarm his men all go on alert and all of their anti-aircraft weapons get brought online that's when the power goes out just at the perfectly wrong moment and their entire defense grid goes offline there's a tense moment where they're rushing to bring the grid back online as the harkinons swoop down ready to attack when they finally reactivate the turrets just in time and so the harkinons break off their attack before any shots can be fired again they inspect the tech and realize that this could only have been sabotage from within then we have a call between the doctor and the baron what? he already said that they figured out it's been sabotaged how did they not stop everything been happening with this plotline i'm if they knew there was a sabotage person and they sabotaged it earlier then why wouldn't they have set up by now systems to prevent people from sabotaging that's what i mean yeah i guess they just didn't do that in this plotline what are you doing at least re-read your own plotline you just made up it's very frustrating there's not much else to say because he's just summarizing how the event goes in the film he's just moved it now to like the third act yeah moved it and made it worse yeah that's move on i guess yeah i was given opportunity for any green or doggos to i got nothing i was admiring the makeup on him i guess play this i'll call him a dingus and do it on the baron or yeah i was just like i got the baron says the spacing guild is extorting him for this unscheduled holdup and their price is rising every hour we reveal that the doctor is the traitor he's the one who's been sabotaged i like how he says this as if we know who that is like at this point in his version i don't even know do we and the baron assures him that his wife is going through every imaginable horror as they speak as punishment for the tragedy still standing the movie doesn't really do a very good job at setting this but here we set up in this scene that the doctor's wife is held hostage and that is why he's a traitor the movie does that that's exactly what the movie does the movie took care of that it just didn't give us any more information he didn't give us more he just moved it to another place and it's still not enough instead of simply saying that the wife will be captured and tortured i'm going to have her be a hostage i can't say what improved the plot it just used the same thing that happened in the actual plot no this is better his version is better fremen in earning their trust he's doing a good job at convincing the fremen that they shouldn't just not be enemies but be allies with his house and after him doing a lot of work to generate goodwill they invite him on a raid to prove his quality there's a band of smugglers illegally harvesting spice from their land and they're going they're smugglers that is illegal besides the fremen don't fucking care if you're illegally doing it they fucking hate you anyway they're just smuggling spice fremen just wanted to chill in their sitios it was long so we have this whole totally made up fight where pool joins the fremen attacking these smugglers meanwhile the juke is hunting the traitor to no avail he gets very close to finding out it's the doctor who did it but fuck now how much is this just deviated from the book too i wonder at this point very different adaptation argument is its own thing but there is an aspect of why do dune well because i think it's relevant for us to mention that because like he said you know we need to make a few changes where the book can't handle it it's like how far away have we gotten at this point by the skin of his the doctor hides the evidence and he he doesn't get found out so then pool comes back home and is still gone i thought they already do i'm so confused all right let's go with the flow at this point fremen lead there's an emotional reunion where pool and the juke by the way no fucking clue on how long any of his scenes are how well paced they all are how they don't really fit and we just sort of just like yeah sure thumbs up all right brace and now we have that whole scene where the juke and still go first oh there you go we moved to this point okay fixed when he spits on the table and everyone gets worked up there's a real tension here now because we know th