Good evening. Call to order the November 7th, 2016 meeting of the Ireland to be re-developed before. Recorded by ACMI, we have a number of things that are agenda tonight. So I thought we could move forward quickly. First up this evening is a continuation of public hearing for EDR special permit document number 3511, 11 Water Street, Massachusetts Patient Foundation. This will continue from prior to hearing of the ACM. We're going to bring back some information, additional information, questions that were answered in the evening. So with that, I would be open for that public hearing and ask the applicant, I think, who's been a great amount of attorney with compliance officers for the Massachusetts Patient Foundation. I also have Daniel Carton, who is the Chief Officers Officer today, who wrote me this one second. We have a sign-in sheet going around. I think people could just keep that moving around the room. Please. Oh, OK. Excuse me. And Tony Cappacetti from Hayes Engineering, Mr. Lakosh, who was here last time, expresses his wishes to be here, but he just got married.  But he'll be falling closely. I bet he's watching from wherever they are. So with that, there has been some updates since the last ARB hearing. One of them, and I think one of the most important and valuable ones is that the Massachusetts Patient Foundation has, in fact, received a provisional registration reciting in Arlington from the Department of Public Health. So they are actually now a registered marijuana dispensary in Massachusetts. While they're not open yet, they've paid their annual registration fee. They're firmly in the process. So the department, all the vetting, background checking, all the operations plans, all that has been a thorough review, and the department wants them to proceed in the process. And we're firmly at the discretion of the municipality. I know that the foundation also submitted a letter from Hayes Engineering clarifying traffic estimates. And if that comes up again tonight, there's a couple different ways we can approach that. And I'd definitely like to speak to that some. We also submitted a proposed security plan, policies and procedures, inventory policies and procedures, and a draft of our staffing plan, which I know was a question before, and further clarity on our operating cards, which I know had come up. Although I did see them in the design review package, but I know that came up. So with that, I would turn it over to the board if there are further questions. I don't know exactly. I watched the previous hearing, although I wasn't here. I think we went through everything. I think at least in writing, we've submitted the additional material before it asked for it. I didn't have anything on the material presented. So that's what we're going to do. You know, I think I have same opinion. All two submitted each criteria that we are with both the judges writing them. We've been met all that. So I have no questions on that right now. Any questions? David? I might have one question, but I also have a concern. And while I understand that we certainly can look at this permit purely from a perspective of the criteria before us, I remain concerned on the buffer zone issue and concerned about procedurally moving forward with us at this time with uncertainty as to whether we're acting in accordance with town meetings, understanding when they approved the zoning change last year to permit marijuana dispensaries. So I just wanted to raise that issue because I continue to be concerned that whatever action the ARB chooses to take tonight may be seen as contrary to the wishes of town meeting or if not the wishes of the belief of town meeting when they undertook the zoning changes last year. I don't know if anyone else wants to speak to that. I wasn't sure, but I was on the board at that time. Yeah, sure. But so, but great, there was, you know, as far as town meetings are concerned, we talked about the buffer zone as and the legal opinion at the time was that it would apply if it was not dealt with by law itself. And we come to find out that is in the case that it's not in the bylaw that there is no buffer zone according to the council. Having said that, I mean, my own personal view is given the different parameters that were put around the RFDs within the bylaw and the fact that we had already kind of gone through one iteration of the buffer zone thinking it had applied as we started this whole process. I myself actually am comfortable that if the buffer zone did apply that this would be still a fairly strong case for this summit depending on how you look at, you know, if there's obviously a library and as far as among story school, in my perspective, that's a little bit of a tough one because it happened after the application was provided. So you can't really hold the RFD and if the buffer zone did apply, it wouldn't apply to that. So, and then, so from my own personal perspective, I appreciate, you know, what Tommy and Bob were doing. I actually think this works on both levels. There was also the conflicting opinions that we've seen from DPH on whether the presence of the pediatrician's office would raise an issue if, in fact, there was a buffer zone. Yeah, and, you know, at some point, I think because of the conflict, you have to, you know, take your own opinion of that and from my perspective, I think congregating is kind of scheduled to congregate myself, but, you know, because there's no hard and fast rule here, I think we're all going to have to do a, actually, the original buffer zone. So, I think there's that too, okay? So, but in my own kind of thought process, as I think about it, you know, giving comfortable with that, I think there's something, but once again, there is a buffer zone. I did have one question and I appreciated the detail about the physical security and the security plan for the facility. It did occur to me as this is going into an existing building and just based on things, unrelated things that I've seen in the news over the past several years, has there been any thought to potential security issues with intruders being able to avoid your security features by coming in through walls from adjoining offices or perhaps through the ceiling or through the floor and thereby go around the security plan? So, I can definitely speak to that. Part of the internal construction as far as storage, because what we'd be getting at an intruder might come in and somehow get access to a product containing marijuana and circumvent the possibility of being a patient. And so part of the security feature in the Department of Public Health will make us do this. There'll be an internal vault room that will be floor to ceiling to walls that will be impermeable. So, it won't be just, you know, drywall or a roof tile that somebody could drop into and get at the cannabis in that room. The Department of Public Health simply will not let us construct the vault room in that manner. So, after having done this all over the state now, that's very clear, is that the vault room has to be floor and ceiling and walls impermeable. So, that would absolutely be resolved at the construction time. And we can certainly, if it makes the board feel better, make that, you know, that room and that floor wall ceiling a condition of special permit that we, you know, we do it and then there's some teeth to it so that it holds up in the long run. Bless you. Well, that certainly addresses my concerns. So, thank you. Great. Thank you. We'll allow for, excuse me, allow for a brief period of a comment just to nail down some final issues. As always, please keep your questions brief. Dress them to the board and not to the applicant. Now, would you stand up? Please state the name and address. Hi, my name is Karen Salier. I'm the mother of two seven-year-old twin boys. They go to the public library regularly. They visit the pediatrician regularly. They love the toy store. They go to the Sunday school at the church. They've been in preschool. All of those things that I just mentioned are things that children visit regularly. Oh, I forgot the bike path where they learn to ride their bikes. All of those are within 500 feet of the proposed location. You mentioned the Montessori school and you said it didn't exist at the time of the application. Now those of us who have lived in this town know that there have been a preschool in the Unitarian Church for as long as anyone can remember. There wasn't two years ago because the building was undergoing renovation to be ADA accessible. It was closed for one year for renovation and everybody who knows that church knew that they intended to have a preschool again as soon as the renovation for ADA accessibility was complete. Now of the locations that I've the facilities that I've mentioned within 500 feet of this facility can you tell me this, can you think of a worse place in this town to locate such a facility? Because I cannot think of any worse place in this entire town for such a facility. Now if you answer that that you still think you can find a worse place I would ask you how can you consider having this location in our town without notification of people in this town? I found out about this by reading the Arlington Advocate a few weeks ago. I had no knowledge that this was happening. I visited public locations in this town frequently. I read the newspapers frequently. There's been no public notification. A few, maybe three, four articles on the Arlington Advocate. Nothing in the Boston Globe. Nothing in the town census. No town mailing. Nothing telling the town that you are considering an installation that would totally change the nature of this town. People come to this town because it's a family friendly town. Do you know why the property values are high here? Because people come here for the schools. All the houses are filling up with people with children. The schools are overcrowded. People come here for the schools. You think they're going to want to come to this town if there's a pot shop next to the public library? By the way did you know that it's the oldest children's library in the country that generally held music concerts outside in the summer that are attended by hundreds of children who love attending them every year? Do you want your children to attend music concerts while they're smelling pot? So I would ask you why you think this is remotely appropriate for this town? Thank you, Chairman Crystal Reddy for this atmosphere. I'd like to raise this issue with the bumper zone again and dispute that Mr. Payer's comments that the budget doesn't apply. I heard some allusion to a town council. Does Town Council give you a written opinion that it doesn't apply? Yes. I suggest that he's merely representing the opinion of the select that frankly have been bought off by the drug money that these adversaries that they're willing to share with the town. Let's get that on the table. Without the table at the first hearing that you wanted to share the drug money for the town. So let's get beyond that. I suggest to you that the buffer zone is a matter of the courts. At the time the applicants made the application the buffer zone existed indisputably. The court of health regulations the state department of public health guidelines explicitly said it applied unless the town had established a known buffer zone that they arbitrarily and capriciously flip-flop a month or two ago There's no reason to suggest that it no longer applies. It's always something that a court can decide and it may well be decided if you grant this permit in its appeal and actually have to be. I would like to read some of these about the guidance description of what a facility is for a children commonly congregated. A facility in which children commonly congregate but the department interprets a facility in which children commonly congregate to include facilities in which children are gathered for a particular purpose or a certain degree in scandal manner but which are dedicated to the use of children such as playgrounds, youth services programs, day care centers, youth sports facilities, dance schools, and gynecology schools to suggest that a children's library does not take that definition as outrageous and frankly the court has selected on the assainment of this college for indicating color-wise. So I believe that that the previous speaker mentioned the other schools in the area the day school has been there for some time and I believe that they have submitted their building permit application to do the renovations before these applicants submitted their application to U of O and in spite of that they were grabbed out of that building for a year. And the other thing I think that needs to be mentioned is as we all know there's a vote tomorrow and that's vote there's an election tomorrow one of the votes that people in Massachusetts will be voting on this is to select the actual amount of water. I suggest that you ought to vote on any action by your board until you know the results of that vote are in particular because medicine marijuana facilities receive preference for becoming recreational marijuana introduced in centers. And I'm just glad to hear that the applicant mentioned that they have the preliminary approval from the state partner for the college because that now means that they can go before the Arlington Board of Health their approval and if you read the zoning bylaw in the Arlington town meeting passed it says you're not supposed to be acting but accept on applications as approved by the Board of Health. The Board of Health has given absolutely no approval to this applicant. They haven't seen the application yet for a lineup. And now that they have depth and pass that they can apply to the Board of Health. The Board of Health has expressed their opinion to your board in the context of the proposed zoning change or they expected the requirements would be and indeed they expected that the state representative would apply as well. So I suggest this is an opportune time not to take any action at all and away from the Board of Health action before you do anything else. And I'll ask you again Mr. Chairman to ask the applicant I want to ask a question. What are the parties they have on this? The question is out of scope. It's fairly appropriate. I'm really disappointed that you will not ask it. It's out of scope. Thank you. Other questions? Comments? To the Board for any follow-up questions? There's a linkage between reference for recreationally I don't even know if it's possible to speculate that at this point. Even if it were. I guess the I think I don't know the answer to that. I don't really know the answer to that question. That is in Town Council Pryor Memo They said as far as your children are calm Council Pryor did say Absolutely. So the way through the chair the way that many states ruled out their the states that have it ruled out their non-medical program is by allowing medical marijuana dispensaries in the event that they have a recreational dispensary to potentially be the ones that participate in that first because they have experience producing cannabis in a regulated fashion and providing it to the commonwealth. There is no linkage in the sense that Massachusetts Patient Foundation is a non-profit. So they would they would have to be another company. Massachusetts Patient Foundation could never sell recreational marijuana and they have to operate for their non-profit purpose which is to provide medicine and educational materials to the patients So that's first. Second of all this special permit will be for registered marijuana medical dispensary at that location. There's no way that Massachusetts Patient Foundation is going to do a non-medical at that location. This special permit and the special permit holder the non-profit are the ones that operate there for the criteria under the special permit. So it just can't happen. The ballot initiative certainly contemplates the possibility that experienced marijuana operators in the Commonwealth and the event that it passes and the event that they have a location to do it will be the ones that do it. But it's not it's a red herring in what we're talking about now. We're talking about medical under a special permit at a specific location. It's just throwing sort of, you know mud into the water just to make it kind of to muddy to confuse the issue of what's before the board. I guess the last thing I would say on the topic is that folks have to remember this was passed by only 70% of the town during during the time in which it was put on the ballot. I think it was 60% So personally I'm not here to litigate whether it's a good good idea or a bad idea. My own view is of trying to do what the folks in town voted for what town eating and to try to do that. So that's I think we lose sight of that fact. And we did not vote for this. We never put it to a vote. Most of the people in this town are not aware of what's happening. You haven't told everybody. Ma'am, please. Ma'am, please. I'm not going to be silent.  He wrote a film for the town meeting that made it seem like you were going to outlaw marijuana facilities in the zone area. The intent of the film was the opposite. If you talk to any parents in the neighborhood they have no idea what's going on. Ma'am, please. Ma'am, ask to stop. There have been several public meetings that have been noted. They haven't been announced true as people in the town. There have been several public meetings that have been properly advertised and appropriate channels under the proper statues. That's not from a ballot initiative. Several years ago we are now at this point. It was a ballot initiative of notice. The ballot initiative was not for this location. You ask anybody to vote for this location nobody would vote for it. Thank you for your comments. I appreciate it. Sorry. Ma'am, can I address this issue of converting to recreational sales? Please bring it. I would ask that you make and it appears to me that as a condition of the permit you prohibit any recreational sales and moreover you prohibit any transfer of the permit to another applicant. As you know special permits typically transfer with the property not with the applicant. So while they may have no intention of going to your possession that they can sell to someone else who may have entirely different intentions. So I would request that the board explicitly state that if a human permit that did not allow any recreational sales to be non-transitional and just to one time point is that many times in the past they did so with the with the construction and information that they would be the strict public zones. Now you're saying this may go to public so I think the previous meeting or letting town meeting in the spring readdress the buffer zone issue now that the circumstances have changed from what town meeting believed. Now that may not in the end change the result of this permit process because the buffer zone it may not it may not impact whether or not this facility will be able to be permitted but I think you know taking an action now based on legal opinion that is contrary to town meetings belief and intention when it created the new zoning D's I think puts us in the town in a difficult position and you know I don't want to unnecessarily delay this but I also want want to give effect to the intention and belief of town meeting because after all we are operating under the decision that was taken by town last year we have to discuss that anyway with planning and also the town council we can do that I have a good question about this was reviewed by at least one for instance yes one of the discussions early on was creating a location was the police wanted this to be kind of like it was it was something that's accessible by we have drug stores we have other other places like that they did not have to be buffered away so that it's way out in some extremity that they didn't have to patrol right this is a medical marijuana dispensary this is a medical facility what these guys have gone through is pretty overwhelmingly convincing that this is a medical facility where precautions are taken I do think it's muddy in the waters to say oh well it's going to be a pot house whatever you said that's exactly the opposite of what this is this is supposed to help you that's why 64% of whatever it was that voted for it said hey this is going to be part of our society this is coming back it's a very important drug that's going to be used for medical purposes so I think the police and others are taking that into account saying hey this is exactly where we do want it there's a drug store near the high school within 500 feet of the high school that sells prescription drugs this is going to sell prescription drugs so I think there's a strong argument that may come out again but this is exactly where you do want this they're always going to be children's activities nearby essentially so I don't think that's necessarily even the right argument to make about this kind of facility not a populace may I respond to that argument? no no CVS caters to the entire population you don't have people driving from miles around to visit CVS this will be the only medical marijuana facility within a three or four mile radius what's important to know what's important to know thank you facility that is proposed here it's also important to know that prior hearing proponents the applicants were very clear to know there's no on-premise usage and I'm asking you to do that a little bit absolutely no on-site consumption it's completely it's not allowed over regulations it's just not allowed people will come and get their prescription certification recommendation and we absolutely know on-site consumption period you know thank you thank you the opportunity to say go I don't think so I mean I'm just I town meeting authorized the commercial districts for potential R&D sighting with the understanding that that a buffer zone analysis would be conducted for any proposed location and now we're at a point where there is no buffer zone and I'm not really comfortable that the process has changed even if the result in the end would be the same if it might if it would turn out that if there was a buffer zone and we analyzed all of the applicable activities within the buffer zone area and concluded that that there was nothing to prevent from moving forward with the permit we're not engaging in the process town meeting is going to wonder why well there was the proposed buffer zone from the town meeting October there was some discussion about that it was presented well it was presented here if it wasn't for the town meeting it was presented to us we would have found that discussion has been has taken place in the past previous meetings all right but town meeting when when we passed the zoning change believed that the state buffer zone was in place whether or not we took any action but I think where we are now is that that information well it was true at the time appears to have maybe worth I hate to kick the can but I know we can wait and delay now any other can for any purpose maybe worth a discussion with planning council but all we got to the rest of the board so from my perspective I think this board has been put in a very difficult place because essentially what we're talking about is the zoning bylaw not let's just presume it has no buffer zone then let's forget about town meeting so then the question is is in my mind we're not dealing with a public health question and not necessarily the zoning issue as far as what that buffer zone should be because the whole notion of the buffer zone in my opinion is a public health question came out of the PA came out of anything else our public health people will have that by the end so we might be kicking it even if approved we are kicking the can down the road a little bit because in my opinion I've got it comfortable as I've talked about that I'm okay even under the town meeting the zones that we've got this that we possibly don't have and so my old thing is now that it's a little bit of a wild pass as far as the buffer zone is concerned I think where that along squarely is in the public health department and not in this course I think you may be right because you know we as far as we're concerned the proposed location is within the zone where it is permitted as far as we have as far as the understanding that we currently have as to the legal status of a buffer zone there is no buffer zone so I think our from that perspective our hands are tied as far as is this an allowable location for for such a facility and that it really comes down to all we can look at right now is the criteria for a special permit so I I think reluctantly I agree with you that our hands are somewhat tied as to the scope of what we can consider what we consider whether we can have to consider simply what's in this question for I think we're at a point where we can comfortably make a decision to get it out but we've got to do it most of the work but I would date back to docket that you have before it's actually on the agenda it's on the agenda okay so I'm going to move to approve the special permit for docket number 3511 the Medical Marijuana Treatment Center at 11 Water Street by Massachusetts Patients Foundation Inc with the following special conditions the first one is that any storage shall be in a bolt that is protected from the floor, wall and ceiling that the special permit is for medical marijuana surgery only with no commercial or recreational non-medical non-medical hey, that's a good way to put it non-medical sales or any purpose non-medical purpose just with reference that in my report there's suggested general conditions and special conditions that you may just want to know actually the way I would capture them is by was it part of that package? it was part of the August 22nd that the original permit application we referenced that they would go to the Board of Health yes oh yes, absolutely so this is also continuing they received the appropriate and proper of the Arlington Board of Health license and assistance in the report August 22nd there you go thank you of August 22nd we're all conditions we're all general conditions and special conditions set forth there if you have a question do you have a question about the property right as with the condition episode you only want to bring the correct correct but I'm just saying that we don't have a special condition that says that we're not we're we're we're we're just the special conditions that we've got the additional special conditions were that the vault would be a vault would be protected from the floor protected I guess with the floor walled ceilings in mind so all of the vault would be sealed essentially that this would be a medical marijuana only with non-medical use for purpose if there is not it is not allowed to have any non-medical use for purpose and that all general and special conditions would be referenced including as such the licensing and permanent by the Arlington Board of Health referencing the August 22nd yes cover the August 22nd report and director I second that motion thank you number 17 Broadway I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm I'm in the parking applications for both projects. This is important. My name is Mary Woods and Leo Conner and I represent the Housing Corporation of Ireland with me as Pam LaHallity, Executive Director of what I believe you all know, the Housing Corporation. As well as tonight, Cliff Bulmer and Paul Morkington from Davis Square Architects who will speak us to this special permit application at the Park Avenue as well. The amount of material that I'll give over to you is kind of low. See, this project is one of the first projects that will come into the new file which is mixed with the residential hand retail. One of the Housing Corporation where I'll use to call me at this site, and for those of you who have been in town for a long time, this is the only area we can site now in the Ireland and Duke handrail. It is 14 residential units with retail on the first floor. It will be, it's going to be four zoning districts and the four doors, the bylaw specifically says when you're town for a district and you can take it out of an on-road use and make it another use, you should consider that type of change. Also 11.08 of the zoning bylaw talks about the need for affordable housing. Now this project will involve two one bedroom units, 10 two bedroom units and two three bedroom units. All of the units would only be made available to people earning 60% or less than what we get in. Now to give you an idea as to what the need is in this town, there are over 1,000 people on household, excuse me, 1,000 households on the waiting list for affordable housing. A little over 300 households are Arlington households and Arlington households, veterans and homeless people have been a priority on the waiting list. Now here we have, you can see from the plans and the architects will describe you that fourth floor was stepped back as provided in the bylaw. Now we've also provided, you have to be record from the director of planning with respect to the conditions we provide in the impact statement as well that was utilized in the preparation of this project for this evening. Now we've also provided a traffic management report. I think there's a notation in the planning directors memorandum that one wasn't provided but we provided the same report for Park Avenue as well as Broadway. And the housing corporation Arlington is proposing is to charge for parking so that there is a distance center for people having automobiles to provide light parking as well as storage and also to provide one space of each location for the zip car types so that they'll be rental vehicles. I would suggest to you that this board has outlined in the planning directors report has the ability to reduce the parking and can consider the suggestions for traffic management. Now Ms. Hallett will speak to, if you'd like to speak to any other issues with respect to this project, do you want to look at the architects? I think I'll let the architects go ahead and describe the project to you. Yeah, Joe. Thank you. I'm Cliff Bomer, an architect at Degas Square of Architects. We're a firm in Degas Square specializing in multi-family housing and primarily an affordable multi-family housing. I'm going to speak briefly about the site and sort of the inspiration for the building. Paul Washington is here with me and associated Degas Square Architects who knows the details inside and out better than I do. But I'm starting with where the site is. I think you probably all know it. It's on this little corner here next to a very large open school lot. Currently the site does have the old Dairy Queen that now does house a food pantry. The site is virtually 100% paved. And what we're proposing to do is to do a four-story building. I think you all can see that where you're sitting on the stairs before it's open. But the idea is to use what we've done to help establish the scale of the building. It is a broad street at that point. It's looked a lot at the buildings in the neighborhood including the homes across the street that are generally gable-ended homes. And that height, the typical sort of height along the street we picked up with a strong horizontal line where we did the setback which was in the zoning. But I think that was well written. It made a lot of sense to us to have a setback at that level where even though it is affordable housing I think it's really important to know that it's not affordable to build particularly. The standards that were held to really did take very long-lasting permanent materials and that's what we're looking at in the building. We're proposing to have a brick circular element at the corner, really hold down the corner at that area. And the rest of the building would be clad in a combination of different types of panels. We're looking at some metal panel types, also some cementitious panels creating a kind of rain screen effect. So I think what we're really trying to do is activate the street through the commercial use on the first floor. Right now we don't have that designated, we don't know the tenants fully at this point so we don't really know exactly how many spaces it is. So there's some flexibility that we'd be looking for as far as how many entries we would need at allowing the first floor level. The residential entry is over on the side street which gives us maximum flexibility and best use of that corner for the commercial use. Overall, I think that's about what I had to say. We think it's a wonderful site for family housing. It's right on a huge school yard. There are lots of very walkable amenities. It's a very short walk, in fact, right over the Mass Ave and not to mention the other sites along Broadway. So in a nutshell, that's what we're proposing. It's 14 apartments. We'll probably give you some more details. So as we move a little closer up on the site, so as Cliff said, here we have Broadway, Everett Street. We move in pretty closely to that edge there. We do have some space that we're able to bring that back very slightly back in the property line as he does that, the zoning allows us to go straight onto the parking lot. We're actually looking to be a little bit further back from that. Access to this site would be from a drive along Everett Street, thereby also minimizing the amount of entrances and exits along a more heavily-trapped corridor. We have 17 parking spaces in the rear. We also have some bike parking at a rear location here. Entrance to the apartments would be through an exclusive entrance off of Everett Street. The entrances to the commercial spaces would be at the corner here and off of Broadway. Moving on to that first floor plan and see we've got some of that covered bicycle space back here, the parking spaces, the entrance off of Everett Street and then commercial spaces along at this location. Up the building, we pack it pretty closely. We're not wasting much space for circulation and such on the inside and maintaining this much exposure for residential units along the perimeter of the building as we can, allowing plenty of light and air into that.  As far as, you know, as Cliff said, on the materials at the exterior, we're looking to use brick of very nice human scale for the facade areas that are closest to the sidewalks and then going to something that gives a little bit broader, smoother surfaces at the upper levels of the building and again stepping this back at the top. Yeah, oh yeah, no, that's a good way of looking. So the view from a little bit further back along Broadway, you can see that top floor steps back, so we're not viewing it as much. And then as we hold back further along Broadway, the height of the building is sort of minimized in relation to the other elements on the street. We're trying to keep a similar scale as to some of the other nearby buildings, such as East Cambridge, thank you. Can I ask a question on that? The white building there, I think that's the one that we just approved as the... No, that's another building down here, yeah. We have to try to purchase that building and we... Somebody else can purchase it. But the reason that you could probably assume that this elevation is building for a large part of the building is set to be a camp for the windows. They're facing our neighbor that's the same rights that we have in the middle of the next time. Is that probably right there? Yes, it is. So the next building will be a part of all the roof? Yes. In all, we don't know, but in all light... Yeah, we're just back from that view, yeah. Very slightly. On our goal, it's really to get the parking off of the main street, because then we don't want to have a curb cut, you know what I mean? I mean, currently, there's curb cuts. There's a very broad curb cut across the whole back of the site there. But yeah, the site we're talking about here, you can see all the cars, which we've recently got to. They're all right around here. Just the next building down past the back of the house. We didn't have a full-on elevation. I don't think we did include that as sort of like more or less how tall that would be. We're looking at something that is more detailed than what you've heard me so far, but we are looking at a very highly energy efficient building. This one is, in fact, paired with another building for the purposes of funding. So we're held to, you know, beyond the cove, which is going to be the stretch code, you know, probably a new stretch code by the time this will get permitted. So we're looking at very high efficiency structure, very thick walls that bring the screen, we think. So we're ready to move. We've got a great silver exposure. I think so. I don't think so. I guess I would go back to what I'm talking about. Time line a little bit, can't I? I can talk a little bit, no. Before you did that, could you go around the whole building, did you get that back? Oh, we hit the rear of the house. Oh, yeah. It was amazing. Yeah, it was. So this is the broadway elevation here. Our curve going around here, the brick parts of it, we're showing below here, the step back up here at the top. This would be the Everett Street elevation, where we've got our entrance into the, around the back. This is the, I don't know, I don't know where we're going to go. I don't know where we're going to go. I don't know where we're going to go. I don't know where we're going to go. This is the rear elevation facing. Sorry. That's the side elevation. Yeah. Yeah, right. Oh yeah, I'm sorry, not going right here. Yeah, yeah, this is the side. This is our new neighbors. This is the rear elevation facing the, facing the fields. The cars are partially parked under the building. These cars are parked in there. The trash is on them. It's inside. It's inside? Trash is inside. Yeah, trash is stored inside. We're tailing from her and the residents. For both. For both, yes. You're in the basement. Yeah, we're anticipating having some basic space. We're on the roof. You would screen those. Yeah, rooftop. We're doing some basic space. So the screening's not shown. Correct. The screening is set. Is there a heritage? Heritage, a big heritage. There's kind of seeing the backside bed. Well, this is like the nominal roof lines. We are at this point forward. So we've got a bit of room here for the parapet on this side. You sort of raised the parapet on the front view corner. And just to emphasize that we should rounded it something that front. I guess the only other thing that I was going to ask was about a lighting plan. I mean, there's no, but what's the expected lighting? And I guess is there, and looking at it, it looks like there was any residential at all. Yeah, the playground on one side. We're going to have, we're having, you know, this yet to be developed site right next to us. So we don't know exactly what that'll be. We've got the playground behind us. One side of Everett. We've got a gas station. Then the other side is residential. Okay. You have a site plan? Yeah. Should we park it? So we've got our parking space. So we've got the parking space. So we've got our parking spaces across the back here. Yes. Those trees up on the property or that on the school property? Those are on school. Yeah. So is there, is there any buffer from the cars, shining the lights onto the field? We haven't quite come up with a buffer. Is there any land for it? Well, there. Okay. We'll have to send them back a little bit. But we intend to put some buffer out because we've been warned by the fathers of the ball players that balls often come over and hit cars that are parked there. So we are planning some kind of a buffer. We were thinking about just trees, but after talking to them we decided that we might need to do something more. Okay. But that's, you mean it could be like a chain of fences? Or it could be a solid fence. I'm more concerned about college parking there pulling in. With the lights. And shining right into the baseball down there. And a kid to play there. I'm not going to be able to play there. Well, we can certainly think about putting in a solid fence. And that's something we haven't quite gotten to yet. And then I also noticed that the parking is right against the sidewalk. That's exactly right. Exactly. And you have spots a little more spatial. In the inside corner of your lot can that be slid over so there's at least some buffer zone. So when you're walking down the street, you're not sitting to a car. I just want you to be more sensitive to the neighbors there that you have some landscaping opportunities. I know in the past that was a parking garage in Peershop. There was no garage anywhere. There was cars everywhere. But I think what you're doing is a good thing. I just wanted a bit more pushes and strokes about the helps. You can be able to. No, we can definitely. Concern about what's concerned retail parking and what's concerned, what is residential parking. You don't have to distinguish one. Actually, to talk about the retail space, most retail space, we've fully taken up a lot of the link and the food pantry. They utilize the current building. The food pantry operates out of there right now. And now they're going to be opening one day of every week. So the majority of that commercial space will be taken up by food link and food pantry is what we're building right now. We have exciting agreements and they have exciting commitments. Well, you're on that subject. Do you have a marketing plan for whatever space is left over? We've already been approached by about four different types of businesses. Some of them are multiple inquiries. And to just back that up to our clients, don't see a landscaping plan in here. Is that something that we could get? Yes, we'll look at it. The plan provides that to you. It would certainly be focused primarily along the commercial street and on that grid and then along the back of the parking. I noticed that you're deleting the curb cut along Broadway. Yes. I applaud that. But I'm a little concerned about how wide you got the curb cut on the public street. I mean, is that the width of the driveway or is it just seems really... Yeah, we're currently showing that as 14 feet wide. Which is what's allowed by town. I believe that's a lot of time. Yeah, technically. I would encourage you guys to maybe narrow that down a little bit, especially near the building. It just seems very awkward right there right now. Just for you walking on the corner, cars there.  Even though you widen out after you get around, that's right. Now we know the thrill with that also slows the traffic down. So no one's really like driving out of there. Some kind of clearance, you know, like this. So when you take the turn, you're not going right into the building or anything like that. And then you can go back out. Couple more questions? Where's the transformer? Is one required? Yeah. We don't know yet. We haven't engineered the building yet, so we haven't contacted the utilities. As you know, the transformer location is kind of a negotiation with utilities. So we don't know that yet. Okay, two more questions. If you were to build a building that size from your past experience, I'll simply say, you're going to need a transformer. I know where I would. Is it going to go on the side? Or is it going to go up on the pole somewhere, or what? Yeah, we don't know there. It's on the side. I mean, we're going to prove it. You don't have to show us where you're going to put it. I'd show where you would like to put it. Well, I guess I would have to say it would be highly conditional because it's a power company that tells us where the transformer is going. I know where I would put the transformer. And you just kind of negotiate it with a little bit of space, but I don't think all people have that. A power company doesn't want to do that because they have to run for parameters for the back. But that's where I would like to put it, if I could. We're short on open space on this side. Well, one of the things I would like to do with a power company should put it is the opposite corner. You mean like there? Yes. And unless you have any ability to screen that thing there, now it's going to be a big box for graffiti. I'm sorry, but I'm even not an animal. This is nice to me. Yes, I'm on that. I call this that part. But it's going to be there. There's been no screening. Or are we going to lose parking space? That's what I'm trying to say. Well, we need to lose parking space. I would agree. Yes. These are all sizes. It's full-size spaces at this point. I don't think we have any feedback on the spaces. So we can pick up the number of feet back. Well, these are good questions. And then the last thing I have right here is you mentioned you're planning to use ZIP card, options of park assistance. Had you guys contact ZIP card at all? We did Capital Square, and then never actually went forward with it. We have not yet to this point. ZIP card now are saying that unless it's in a very public space like a shopping center or something like that, where there's a lot of foot traffic, they're not going to put a car there just because you guys want one. There are a number in Arlington, right off of that staff on private property. There's one right next to one of our buildings that'll look 10 to 16. Right off of that staff. I'm just asking, if they say okay, I'm okay. I'm just saying, I'm not saying it's necessarily a guarantee that you wish ZIP card there, it's going to happen. And if that's a required part of your TDM plan and it doesn't happen, then you may have to think of the TDM options. Yeah, I have one other panel that's a couple of months on the TDM as well. So I guess from my perspective, charging for parking spots may have the wrong or the end result in the end because I'm a little bit concerned that everything ends up on the street and then you don't really have anything reserved for necessarily retail in the back there. They have no space out front because you just try to charge them for the spots that are parking on the street. So I just feel like the TDM is quite late and then it needs to get knocked out a little bit more. You know, it's not my expectation for a transportation event management plan to have three bullet points. The other thing is, is I see the bike parking in there. I don't know how many bikes that is or what your encouragement of bike will do to build the parking and that type of thing. What I'm saying is I'm not asking the architects, I'm not asking from my perspective, this is lacking on the transportation event management. I think that on this particular project, I'm less concerned about parking. I may be on another project, but I think even on this one, I'm not sure it's been completely fleshed out. West West Minister agreed that we would write into the lease the fact that people are not allowed to have cars on site. So they could certainly... Yeah, but then they go up to the street if you want to... No, they won't be able to... According to the lease, they cannot have a car. Period. Okay. That'd be a basis to determine anything. Yep, got it. I'd like to see that, I'd like to see a little bit more plan on the TDM, but also as far as any commercial use in there, whether that would be a little bit more or less strict than anyone had to look out for. Elevations. On the Broadway elevation, what I'd like you to consider is pairing those windows with large retail-scale openings. Yeah. A lot here. A lot of the ground floor. One-two, one-two, one-two, and make a big, beautiful storefront there. But the single pier, it doesn't look like retail. It looks like a little bit to close in. See what I'm saying? They're each awning. They've got big, beautiful retail openings. I'll bet you your tent will hold the long-legged, the tiny inch and so forth. The awnings are nice. On the corner, you've got a solid corner on that ground level. If you can see it there, you can see the perimeter. Why do you have a solid corner that should be open to the retail? It's... It shows it over when we're playing. You know, it's got this matte thing on there. See on the plan that white stone with a purple and then there's a semi-circle there. That's not retail. Well, right now it's open so that we can step under, essentially. Yeah, I hope you then make that slide. You're saying just wall here. It's glass. Make it feel like open and inviting on the street. And then on the top, you know, I can't believe you're going to do that. But the top corner, I suppose, is also solid brick and they would probably... Have we no one inside? This is... Yeah. Part of it was the guidance of the radius. We're putting a black window across that. I mean, that's really something we can work on. Get that corner down. We'll do that. Just an extra window. We just don't want to make it too low because then it gets invaded from across the street. But it can certainly be open though. A couple things that have been covered. We talked about is there a diagram of required open space for this site? I don't know. I would... You should submit a landscape plan. We already talked about that with buffering and the things that Ken brought up. A couple people in Mike. You mentioned the TDM. You've added a zip card. Now you're talking about ownership, which is a good idea. Non-ownership. Materials, you mentioned. Might be metal. Might be some kind of board. Above the brick. It's a rain screen, but maybe not. But we've heard more, maybe not, when it comes to rain. It's more expensive. But I'd love to hear that it isn't. But I know it is. I didn't say that. But that's another level of requirement on a special permit that we really need to see it. So, if it comes to making a stipulation about samples, it's really important for us to see what kind of samples are required by a special permit in the middle. Screening of the mechanical was brought up. That's really important to show that. The neighborhood wants to know exactly what they're really going to see now.  I don't think it's an issue. I think it's okay. We've got to show it. Sidewalk improvement is probably something that ought to be enough for the sidewalk. We're planning to improve the sidewalk on both sides of the road.  So those are quite a few pieces of important pieces of the special permit that should be built in. That's all I have. David. I'll first echo the comment that the ground floor facade is not very inviting from a retail perspective. It doesn't look like those of retail space. It would be well served to have a more open and welcome front door and facade. I mostly want to talk a little bit about biking and walking. Again, glad to hear that you're planning to improve sidewalks. I think that's incredibly important. But has there been any more thinking about the location and type of bike parking or have you just gotten to the point of saying there won't be bike parking? We've located a space on the ground floor covered by a parking lot over here. I think we've got space for four full-size bikes parking in on the back there. Is that me? Outside? Yes, outside the building, but it's covered. We also talked about putting forward bike parking over the parking lot on the other side. Next to where the bike building is now. That would also be covered. Unfortunately, that's where the parking is. I'd suggest a couple of things. Part of this has to do with the fact that this is a mixed use development. You have to be thinking about bike parking both for three groups. Customers of the retail establishments visitors to the tenants and the tenants themselves. I think that the bike parking you want to consider is going to differ in location and type for each of those groups. For the retail establishments we want to think about racks in front of the retail locations. For visitors for the tenants they would probably prefer bike parking close to the tenants entrance. For the tenants themselves I would suggest that outdoor bike parking is inadequate from a security perspective and unless it is covered is great as a start but unless it is secure and accessible only to tenants then I think it will not adequately serve the purpose and I'd suggest that you think whether it's possible to offer an indoor bike room. I've seen where they paint bikes up to get that and if that would be acceptable that would affect that on the space. That's certainly one possible configuration but I think for tenants it's not going to be leaving their bikes outside overnight or perhaps for extended periods more security is preferable. Go ahead. I might just show you a new plan here that I didn't see. In that square room there on the ground what is that in the middle? Oh, it's a scratcher. This thing here it's a scratcher. So that's an elevator. It looks like three parking spaces on the cover. Does it extend all the way to the storefront there or is there a walkway there? There's a walkway that goes to the door. You say inside the building. Inside the building. So we have a little bit of space there. Oh, you have a line there. So the parking does stop there. So we can have additional bike parking there, right? Yeah, we would be able to close because we're maxing out our floor area ratio. We can't be building any bigger than this. I'm just worried that we could make outdoor bike parking and we can't put it inside. But let's say also I've noticed some issues building. A lot of families need the stroller or some of them are somewhere easier. Some sort of allocation for them. They should put it with the bike somewhere somewhere near there. I mean, I think if we were going to start making more room for it, we'd need to be carving it out of the commercial space. That's one of the things we should consider looking at. And then your water room. You have a sprinkler room? It'll be in the basement. Whatever the basement will be entirely mechanical. We haven't designed it yet. It won't be the size of the existing basement because we're not going to keep that. Alright, so we'll be announcing it on the wall somewhere. The direction saying the water is on the basement. Yeah. And all of them generally if there's a water room and that's that stuff, they need to get it from outside. Not through a space. Is that true or not true? That's highly variable. It's honestly nowhere to go that it's a critical piece. I mean, it's true they often prefer going directly from the outside. We could bring that stair down to that. So a door can be placed on the outside and you have a door that's actually in there. Just wondering, you know, if that happens, I don't want to come back to you and say, okay, I want direct access. Yeah, direct access because then you're not going to do the same here. We'll come back to this later. Excuse me, I'll open it up to public comment. Please raise your hand. I'll call on you. Stand up, state your name and address. Let's brief. I also ask, I know there are a lot of people here for both of these hearings this evening. We ask that any questions at this time, really only to 1.17 Broadway. A project we're currently discussing for anything. A project will come at the appropriate time. We'll get your chance to speak tonight. So, public comment on 1.17 Broadway. Go ahead. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chris already did two, six out of three. The first question is whether this application has undergone review for zoning compliance by the inspection services department. When I inquired there, they didn't seem to have received it. I'm just glad that they have not received it. We're related. So the effect of the law is this? They're me. I am not aware of that. They, yes, they do have plans to accept actually the good place. So I don't think we spoke to it a way.  I met with my friend. And I dropped off on another full set of plans to have an easy-to-many written determination on zoning compliance. The board has not received it. I have not received any good applications, but we can request it. The reason I ask is, I'm curious about the floor area ratio. And in particular, how the floor area was calculated, unfortunately, the plans don't seem to have a scale on them. And so when I look at them, I just try to estimate the area on each floor. I'm getting numbers that are principally greater than what the applicant has put forth in the plan. And I'm wondering, are you subtracting off the area from each floor? I don't know how you're calculating it. How are you calculating it? Taking the outside area at each floor, we're getting a total of 19,000 quarters per piece. Okay, what's the ratio? Well, you apparently have an application. I'm going to ask, because I've had the ratio once in a while. And I think the zoning guidelines permits people to notice the 1.5. Looking at the ratio of 1.8 based on the, because you're allowed to bump it up on a couple of factors, including, you know, there's a portable housing. Can you, sorry. You're allowed to increase the floor area ratio based on a couple of factors, including that it's for a portable housing. And we calculated that, it's going up to 1.8. Are you counting the partial area as the area that can be bumped up? Can you do that now? The zoning, as I understand, the zoning doesn't have a formula for exact, I guess you're asking if it's prorated in some kind of way? Well, as I read it, I'm not sure this has ever been applied before. I don't think you get to apply the bonus to the commercial space. You get to apply it to the portable units, but not the conversion. Can we even do that without having the thing in front of me? Because otherwise, no matter the floor, it's not an application for the mentioned development. The developers, you know, they always match out with the F&Rs. They don't say open ability tough to the F&R for the units that are not covered by the zoning by law. And we'll use the extra 20% you get for the portable units. That's something that applies that way. And my reading is that when we get to apply the bonus to the conditions that has on the portable units, I would simply ask one that you get to have a new formation, and also that the applicants have a certified plot plan to do that for the building in the same way that someone would do that for the condominium. So you're sure you have accurate numbers on the floating formation. Another question I had concerns compliance with the towns and cruise areas only by law. I understand there will be 14 units. How many of those comply with the town's definition of affordable housing as written in by law for the utility of the zoning by law? All of them. They will all be related to households at 60% of the world who pay any income. They are all, most of them will be able to access more. Are they fully compliant with all the provisions? I thought there were certain income provisions in our bylaw that housing cooperation were opportunity to do not comply with it. I don't know what you're talking about. I never heard that before. What it has to do with the portability criteria is applied to the units. For rental units, I'm reading from the inclusionary zoning bylaw 11.08, for rental units, a household whose total income does not exceed 70% of the median income of households in the Boston metropolitan area. That's a fine by five. I think you're out of dates. We changed it to 60% some years ago. No, that's how the rent is calculated. Well, we are all 60 below anyway, and that's how we don't rent people who make more than 60% of the median income at the time that they first lease. But we're trying that they are allowed to earn more income. But there's more to what the requirements are. It's really not a fine bylaw. So to the first point, I'm happy to provide any follow-up and have a conversation with my firm, the director of instructional services for any preliminary determination or understanding of compliance with zoning. Thank you. We'll provide that to the court. On the other matter, we can also check and confirm compliance with section 11.08, which I believe we've already done in our report, but we'll confirm that again. On the mixed use basis, one of the goals, I mean, is to improve this sweet-talking activity along the course of the week. Can you tell me how many hours per week the commercial space will be open to the public? Well, I can tell you right now what I know the food pantry and food length operate. Food length is in the building seven days a week. I would say a minimum of five hours a day. Food pantry is in the same location currently. And they open part-wise. They're open two days a week for about three hours a day. Regardless of any time it would be subject to special permanent leave by this board, anyone. I would ask that you put conditions in that whoever occupies any of the commercial space, you know, he opens at least 40 hours a week public. Because otherwise, you sort of keep the purpose of having an excuse if you're going to have spaces that aren't open most of the time. And the other part of this, I would ask that often you see in these mixed use buildings, I'm not specifically referring to ones that have commercial housing in the way. The commercial space is a vacant for months and months and five years. And I would ask that you put some provision in the permit that limits how long they can be kept vacant to without calling the owner. The particle, the particle, the bore. So that brings some little kiosk and it's like two or three years, or whatever that went into. Again, you're going to be using this as your first mixed use development. Very careful about being sure that it's not commercial. We don't have an objection to, we feel certain that we'll rent it for 40 hours a week. I'm not sure we can post it. We have everything that's stored on registries in the town hall, and so again, any time that we have to come in front is for it again to be real. Any further public comment? I think what I'd like to do in the interest of time with the next meeting, answer some of the questions that we've asked, I'd ask Jenny to speak with inspection services and how late Mr. Byron is trying on whether this is appropriate. We talked about seeing a landscape plan. I'd like some updated plans for some of the revisions that we asked to see, and then samples of building materials. Updating transportation to main management plan, maybe a bit of storage. That might be hard to do too, but it's hard to do. Sorry. Or at least a part of it, most of the part. Yeah, an update is just for that part. Is there a living thing now? Can I have a old screening? No, can I ask that we have a deadline to get a vote in this date, early December, mid-December. So can I ask that we... Our next scheduled meeting is November 21st. That would work for us. That would be first. So I think I'll make a motion to continue until November 1st. I didn't want to. What's the public comment? Oh, yeah, I will close the public comment. At this time, we will accept written comment. Until then, no further public comment will be allowed tonight or at the next hearing. Our second. All in favor. Aye. Thank you. All right, so moving on, we have a little public hearing, official permit document 3519. In our park avenue, also with the House of Corporation of Wellington, we're open for that hearing at this time. Thank you. Again. Members of the board, Mayor and Wynne Stanley O'Connor, representing the House of Corporation of Wellington, which may be the executive director of Pamela Helen, the data square architect here as well on this project. This is another... This is a exclusively residential support project. This is an R7 zoning district that the board is aware of, and R7 zoning district is primarily part of this type of zoning district. For those of you who've lived in town for a very long time, you can remember that this is the little junkyard behind the sickle gas station. And the House of Corporation has continued a phase one and a phase two environmental testing at the site and has been detailed in the impact of the state of town, which is where there are various arsenic-led ACPs and VOCs on the site. They will be with the health and license site professionals cleaning the site in accordance with EPP regulations. What the House of Corporation is posing here is two buildings. One would have 28 units and would be serves four stories. One story actually less than permitted in this zoning district, which would be overlaid by the bike path at the lower grade of the property so that it would indeed look lower than the four-story itself. And the other towards the lowest weekend would be six units, it would be a walk-up, three-story walk-up. The House of Corporation had a community meeting and they did receive some suggestions from the residents, one of which was they wanted a redesign of the six unit building for the one along the Wall Street. They wanted to see some reworking of that design. Some of the other questions that were raised were with respect to traffic.  Now, I should point out that this site, something is going to go there. It's not going to be vacant land. And as the board knows, residential is the least intrusive traffic wise. If you put retail there, there will be far more trips generated. The traffic study was based on 38 units. There are only going to be 34 units so it would be less of an impact. It also included, as you know, the housing corporation received a permit from the zoning board for a 40B and 20 Westminster. That property will have no parking. And one of the conditions in connection with that permit was that the leases would specifically say that the tenants could not have cars. In fact, if the tenants did have a car, their lease would be terminated. So the traffic consultant included nine spaces for 20 Westminster, but there are no spaces. So there would be less of a traffic impact that I would suggest to you. So we have provided you with that information. Another of the concerns was that what impact would this have on the peer school? Pam tells me there are floor empty classrooms at the peer school as well, even though I don't think that necessarily comes into the scope of the special permit. We have seen the planning director's report and assistant planning director's report with the general recommendations with the special conditions proposed. And if you'd like, we've heard what the board has said about the traffic management plan. We will deal with that. You do not have a landscape plan. We need to get you a landscape plan and a lighting plan for this site. And the architects have not had the time to rework the front building as a suggestion to some of the neighbors. I can let the architects, and I don't think I need to repeat what I told you about the households on the inflating list for affordable housing. All of these units would be rented to people earning 60% or below of the median income. So they would all have that restriction. So if you'd like the architects to speak. Let me say one other thing. To help with the cost of the cleanup which we envisioned being about $550,000, we are planning to submit a proposal for funding to the EPA in December. In order to do that, we have to put a public notice out and list our plan to go to the EPA. And we'll be doing that in the next couple of weeks. You will do the notice. We will let you know what that's listed. People can go ahead and look at it and make comments on our website. So I just wanted to make sure that was clear in there. The only other thing I would say is as you can tell from the plans, this site is a little less than an acre. The board maybe 15 years ago, 13 years ago approved a special permit for this site for 23 condominiums, 26 condominiums with 48 parking spaces, I believe. So this is, I would suggest, less intensive parking type use. Okay, all right, we're gonna move that over there. So let's start with kind of the bigger picture issues. I think that what is really exciting about this site is bike path, of course. And a lot of the inspiration of what to do to the site, how to lay out the site plan as well as the language of the building and the scale of the building has a lot to do with where it is. And the idea is really to make a very strong connection to the bike path, actually the front of the building, so to speak, is bike path. And what we're providing us with public amenity that is related to that is creating a fully accessible path from the street all the way through the site and out to the bike path. And we're looking at a bridging across the street at that point in making another connection to the bike path. In addition to that, we're talking about a very energy efficient building kind of relates to the notion of physical activity and sustainability. We're designing the building to net zero or near net zero standards. We have terrific southern exposure on the site and some of the materials, which I don't have samples for, but some of the materials that we're talking about using on the building, Paul can talk about that some water actually, some self-facing solar collectors on that elevation as well as panels on the roof. The goal of the placement of the building and it was made easy by wanting to really relate to the bike path as the active face of the building was pushing the building as far away from the neighbors as we could towards the bike path, which we did. We have single loaded parking and the building is also single loaded because we are working with this net zero idea and really taking advantage of the strong southern exposure. So I think what we're really trying to do is make a building that is and this kind of says it all to us that we see a lot of people coming and going from this building on the bike path and that's really what we're trying to foster in this building. We have provided some open space that would primarily be used by the residents right on the bike path. And as I said, limited parking to the rear. But Paul will run you through more detailed plans. So on our site plan, as Book was talking about our access on Lola Street, we keep that to the maximum distance we can from the corner of Downing Square. So we bring that back further. Really, there's not really any good way to access from Park Avenue. So really the only vehicular available vehicular entrance to the site is there at Lowell. So we would come in here, we bring that we go through this little neck of our property line to serve like we have one space here and then narrows we just get past that to get into our parking lot at the back here. So we have accessible parking at three locations along here and then a larger row parking single loaded close at across opposite the event. We do have a planning strip. The fences of these buildings are all solid fences there where we would also be planted along that edge as well in order to screen headlights or whatever coming from towards the neighbor's houses. We have access that would take us to this ramp. It's a rather large, large ramp because the elevation difference is eight to 10 feet depending on where you start from to get down to the level of the bike path. We are going to be starting negotiations with the T who has the right, who governs with one region. Actually we found out that the town manager has the right to give us that permission so we'll be talking to the town manager. Splendid. Yes. Thank you. So anyway, so coming past our building our building at this side, the three stories we have a total of six units, six two bedroom units in the smaller building here at the corner. We come around to the back here and then we have our larger forestry building as close as we're single loading this corridor along here. So most of the, this white area along here is either common mechanical spaces or corridor trying to keep all of the units oriented as much as we can to that side with the exception of this one which is a full 20 feet setback from the neighbors properties on that side. So we think through plans and I don't know if we're going to go out going through all of these. So starting from the ground floor of the smaller building we come in through a door down here. We have a single stair coming out and serving these units. They stack the same layout two bedrooms going all the way up. The larger building, the main entrance would be further along to the towards the end of the parking lot that would get us to our elevator we have in the room and again this corridor through there and then most of these units to stack some of it going all the way up. Part of what we're also trying to do is to make the stairways more amenable to people using stairs and encouraging that active lifestyle as a quick mention of walking upstairs and encouraging that and this is the L.A. all the time. So we're locating some, we have some various locations for bikes storage. We have some, again it's outside bikes quite parking but we could cover it along here, along here and on the bike side. But again, it should be secure not just covered residents as well as for passengers. I don't know, have you ever seen the MBTA of the parking lot, they had an L white card to be accessed. Now those aren't particularly attractive. You know, if they had to be outside, there are examples to look at for how to do that in a secure way. So the elevation of the building from the parking lot side would be looking at a little bit like this. We've got fewer windows along that but the windows that you do have mostly because you're going on to a corridor at this point. The elevation is close to the same at the back of the building. So this is sort of at the top of our slopes. There's an upper level here. It slopes down as you get closer to the bike path. We're kind of floating in air right here. I'm moving along to our other building and so as Pam mentioned, we got a lot of really useful feedback actually about how this building can be reworked and looked at again. We're in the process of doing what we can to make that be a better, you know, a really nice entrance to the mountain area. One of the things I want to point out is between that building and the single gas station, there's a deed in the right of way that gives us the right to keep that clear. The owner of the call must keep the right of way clear which probably means fewer models, fewer plot hours, fewer snowblowers, yes. That's a fair enough guess. We had to assign it and record it with the deed so he's fully aware that it needs to be kept open. Nice guy. He's a very nice guy. And it will also give emergency vehicles access to the vehicle at some point. Some of the concerns that we had with the prior project just in the interest of time, I think you'll see it knows if those exist. Can we have one of them? Yes. Yes. It's okay. Okay. I guess I want to hear a public comment. But I guess I'm just trying to figure out the importance of six units of the fund here from taking the project. Well, the way we finance... I think this makes a sense. The way we finance things is we go after public funds, but we also go after tax credits, which then brings investors in. Investors, the bigger the project for interest than investors are... Okay. ...in new life and participate in. To them, it's safer. The more units you have, the better cash flow. The more likely it's going to be or after a while. And so we already have... Because of the size of this, we already have three investors that are interested in buying the tax credits. So that is why we put the six units there, rather than go off additional floor. We had toyed with the idea of 0.5 floors, but that's really too high. And so we decided to put them there on the floor. And if you remember, our 20-West Minster building is there beyond the green space. It really is three stories. And it's solid, flat-moved across the track. So just remember where this is located. It's also higher on the space. It's higher. On building 8, we're at the corner. I'm not sure you might have had this already on the comment, but I was in the pilot comment, so I'm just going to mention a few things that I would suggest. And if it's repetitive or my fault or something like that. We're at the corner. You have this bay that comes out with this huge parapet. It centrates the height a little bit more. So your sheet A210. We agree to stop there any time. We need to work with that.  We're going to do something with it, yes. Then the corner of the building is a big chunk that sticks out. It centrates.  Something so it looks less... There's a lot we can do with the articulation of the saw. There's a D of the size that is supposed to pull it out. That would be one of my strong concerns that just happens in that area there. And then, unlike the other project, can you guys include a shadow plan? With this one here on the site plan, on the previous drawing, we had shown a site plan. It was the shadows. If you can understand what the shadows are, the reference to where... Especially the four-storey building, to the neighbors. I'm not going to go over what's in there, but we're going to be filling the plans that we talked about. They're all in process. We're going to fill the zipline. And then, is this in the flood plain? Yes. The flood plain line comes through here. We're accommodating that by using a flow-through foundation. So this is basically going to be sitting on where one, for all intents and purposes, piles with a structural slab. So essentially, this is going to ride above the level of the flood plain. And we're going to engineer basically retention tanks for onsite water storage of whatever we get from runoff from the parking and from our impoverished services on the roof. I've been talking to the town engineer. They preferred that to pervious paving because of the soil issues that we have on the site. We don't want to have more water soaking in to whatever is going, you know, eventually, maybe left on the site there. But it'll go into retention tanks and then lead through into the stream. So let me say that it may be coming in right or wrong. So you say you can get piles that are sitting underneath that building. And the volume of the piles that you're offsetting will be taken care of in those chambers so you're not affecting the flood plain. That's exactly right. We'll require to do that. And then we're going to put a podium or a plinth where the building sits on top of the flood plain elevation. So underneath the plinth, the water can run through. That's how you're addressing the flood plain. And that's been approved by the DEP. We sat with the engineer. We're still designing with the engineer the retention part of it. But he seemed to think it was a very acceptable idea. That was Wayne. Your storm is all going into the brook, I'm hearing? No, that is not what we said. When we sat with Wayne, I was going into the sewer and we talked about the MPV A sewer or the street sewer. It sounds like there's going to be a hole, but another revision of this based on... Did I hear that? That the design of it is going to be... Just at the front building? Yes, at the front building. Okay, so we're going to see that. I thought there was a good letter. I don't know if Alexander and Christopher Gold are here. I'm here, Christopher. I was just giving you a shout out, because I thought the letter had some interesting points about scale. And maybe you're addressing, I think you mentioned that, that the scale could be more residential feeling by not making that big prowl there. Think about... The letter said something about materiality of houses around it, so it feels like it fits a little bit. I understand it can be contemporary, and that's what's going on here. I'm not sure I understand what it means to relate to the bike path, but you can relate to the materiality of buildings around it. Maybe you're using... You've got a shingled plank. You've got a little floor up. There could be some texture. Try to soften it a little bit. That's what we're working on. It's a factory feeling, and someone made the comment, and I just brought that letter up, that it is in a residential neighborhood, which is an historic neighborhood, and yes, it's a rough corner, intersection that needs to be improved over time, but there's a lot of good housing stuff around it behind it. So scale materiality could be a little more inventive. Maybe that white panel, that's the big scale division panel that you have on the other one, you see a little bit of a map rendering, which you see more of it on that one. Are we talking about this? Give it that little texture. I see, okay. Not just the handle for that, but have some other textures. Some finer scale texture. You see all the houses around here, and historical houses, give it a little more scale, it looks a little bit office-like. That's the institution. That's all I have about that, but I know that sounds like it's coming up again. With access through the site, and from the site to the Minuteman, being so critical to this concept, have you given any thought to snow removal? To snow removal. To maintain that access. We have, let's say, we use that to take care of all of our sites around there, as soon as there's how much snow, so we'll be out there. Can you talk at all about some of the energy efficiency features you envision the buildings having? Yeah, I think the southern elevation too. So we're just engaging with our engineer at this point, but as I said, our starting point is trying to be net zero or near net zero. So we're starting with very thick walls, which is in this climate where best money is spent. We are looking at PV panels for the roof. The rendered gray part on the southern elevation, we're looking at collectors, the vertical air collectors. Actually, one of the biggest panels of this type is in Cambridge on JFK senior housing, if you notice that you can see it from 93. And so to us, it's a very simple, maintenance-free way of taking advantage of the southern exposure. The reason we have a big differentiation of windows is looking at very large openings into the parking living rooms. We would love to be able to get some passive collection in the floor. So we're looking at four toppings to actually collect some heat. But essentially, we'll have kind of what we do in all of our buildings. We have energy recovery for the corridor systems. This building, we actually have the option because our corridors are on the north side. We have the option of passively heating those northern corridors and they do give us a buffer to the apartments on the inside. What else have we got? That's about it. We're really trying to engineer this to make it as close to zero as we can work. The time frame on this is such that this project probably won't be permitted for almost two meters. If you're sensing a little bit of hesitancy when I think of how much this world changes from energy efficiency over two years, I don't want to represent every single thing because it really does change. The panels on that Cambridge building were just installed a lesson a year ago. It's our engineer. Our engineer who did those panels is doing our building. He's in an analysis mode of seeing how those panels worked over in Cambridge. That's why I don't have all the answers, especially your question about transformer location, for example. It's a little bit of a chicken and egg problem of scaling our engineers to fully engineer buildings when we know they're not going to be built for two years because of the funding program. It's very difficult to do that. I think all of your questions of the way they're going into my head is really useful conditions that affect the design of the building. It's in some ways only as good as we can go without fully engineering something, knowing that it's not even funded yet. Do you want me to talk about my trends? Essentially, we would put this application as a preamplification in December. If the state accepts our proposal, they've seen it once before, if they accepted this time, that we actually own the property, it looks more likely, and we have some good funding commitments coming in, then we will have to put in a massive, more detailed application in March. They will take until probably August or September to make a decision. If we are then funded, then we have to start the process of really pulling everything together and getting to a closing, getting to a permit, and having full permit design. The earliest we could even get a construction would be probably spring 2018, at the earliest, more likely, another six months beyond that, and if they don't accept our preamplification in December, it would be an entire year. We'd have to wait to make another application. We're early. One more thing. I did look at the traffic analysis, and I wanted to talk a little bit about the Downing Square intersection. I understand the analysis, and assuming it's correct, it will have no impact on traffic through the intersection, and it's a relatively low-crash intersection. I can attest from my own personal experience that it is a challenging intersection, whether you're driving, or biking, or walking. So I think with the project of this scale happening there, it's an opportune moment to work with the town on potential improvements to that intersection to make it a safer experience for everyone, including all of the new residents who would be moving to these buildings. I suggested that to the town engineer. He said, oh, my God, no, you just spent all that money. But I also have, our traffic study was done by the same organization that tell me that they've made several recommendations to the TAC that were never implemented. So now that they've finished the traffic study, I want to go back, find their actual complete study and see what they did recommend, because actually we do own a big part of that intersection at this point. If we could work something out, I just want to warn you that when we were looking and asking for a permit for 20 Westminster, I took the traffic engineer with me to the site and said, okay, we own this one, and we might own that corner. Could we get a roundabout? He said, no way. So I don't know. But we're definitely looking into it. Laura, a question for you. Does TAC have a meeting coming up any time soon? Yep. To consult on this traffic report. I don't mind myself looking at the traffic report. It seemed pretty straightforward. However, I think that would be a lot better if we could make a recognition to TAC if they had it on review. Yeah. It's kind of quick to know. They wouldn't do it at the meeting. Right. Exactly. I just want to remind you that we have closed preschool, so that traffic has disappeared. It used to be a minimum of 45 children a day.  So that is no longer an issue there. And we're bringing back 23 parking spaces. And most of our larger developments have parking lots that are not fully utilized. And I think the planning department did a parking survey last year, which actually you presented to top meeting in April, saying that there really is excess parking in a number of the residential larger developments in town. So you should probably look at that as well. We really have a concern to be on what's already been brought up. I think I'll reserve any comments on design. Other than to concur with Andy, I think we need to consider institutional, software, and take into consideration some of the amount of overall personnel in the store. District requirements as well and get inspection services opinion along both size, scope, and whether it fits with those requirements.  I am going to close it at the end, but we will still accept written comments. So please be brief, ask your questions, make sure they're relevant, raise your hand, call on you, stand up so that you may have an address. We'll go over this. Call the comment. In the back, sir. Yes, thank you, John. I wonder if you can tell me a couple of questions and a couple of comments if I could. I like the state that I am for housing, but I'm against this project. I live down in Downing Square for 10 years and it's been a constant nightmare down there. The quick question is in regards to housing, I've noticed recently that howling in automotive, building down there on Warren Street, is that the building that was mentioned on the other project? I mean, could that be used for housing? It is empty. It is empty. Second of all, I'm wondering instead of a housing unit, any other kind of project could possibly go in there to give you an example to give you an example that I know this might sound kind of crazy, but maybe like up until tonight, we have right now two major banks. Would it be possible to maybe consider putting a bank in there which would give you less traffic and maybe wherever the bank is now, whatever the bank may be, put any housing project in that particular space. That's how the component answers the question if there's an extremely speculative risky move that's not really possible in real world. It's also an R zone for residential and has been for as long as I know. And so we have to go through a whole zone of change to earn a new commercial. In answer to some of the other comments I've heard, there's been mentioning of the school closing so that there will be less traffic. The majority of the traffic that I started from 95 to 2005 was passing through that intersection. It's not basically people that were going to work through something in that intersection. They were all coming up both streets and Barra Street to get to Route 2. So a lot of that was commuting traffic. It wasn't necessarily people going into the downtown square area. We wanted to make that point. Also too, which might not be relevant when that bridge is christened by the late government of Paul Stalucci. I don't know if anybody noticed it. There's only a sidewalk on one side of that bridge. There's no sidewalk. When I inquired about that for pedestrian safety, I was told hey, pal, you got to go to the station. We watched our hands with that shop a long time ago. Within the past year, I've taken Tom Manager out and chaplain down there because now that they've extended the sidewalks to come out into the intersection, this tire treads going over the sidewalks and he asked me how did this happen and I said, Adam, it's the design of the intersection. People were just saying, I can't wait so they literally drive us. That's why we asked what kind of solutions might put in place to alleviate some of those concerns. Well, the last thing I will mention is that living down there for 10 years putting up with emptying of the dumpsters at 2.30 just to make the people who are going to move in they're aware emptying of dumpsters at 2.30 in the morning street cleaning at 3.30 in the morning and snow plowing and dumping 5 feet of snow at the corner of a pole in Lowell Street and letting it sit there is not going to improve pedestrian traffic. I can't blame you. I don't think any of those concerns are part of this. Well, it will be pedestrian you're talking about pedestrians in that building without cows. Actually, nice to meet you. Actually, our sidewalks will be cleaned the right way especially on our large streets so that we don't have to do that. I can see it. Can you hear me? Let me say it again. Our larger buildings, we always have event cleaned snow cleaned, snow plowed, snow shoveled very early in the morning by our professional snow removal companies. So, they would start at 6.30 or 7 if there's half an inch or more of snow. So, if you've noticed those sidewalks have always been clear this whole last three winters that you've not thrown. That other sidewalk that you're talking about which is often not has nothing to do with us. It was the former seller that, you know, we now own that property before they take care of it. Oh, that has nothing to do with us. That's what I'm talking about. That's the other side of the interest. All I'm trying to do is make me aware that that's where five feet of snow have to go. Thank you for that. So, Chris Morrison, I live at 118 Wall Street. My property is actually bordered on three sides by this project and the other on Westminster. Sorry? Two sides actually. There's property between yours and our Fair enough. I'm built. So, just some concerns that I want to make comments on. That it looks like there's going to be a landscaping plan that's a little more thought of coming forward. Just some concerns that I have there. Where the road access is on low, I think there's going to need to be some significant creating down there. I'm just curious how that's going to be done because I'm a little concerned that there might be a very large retaining wall that my property kind of looks right into. Additionally, I've brought this up at the community meeting. Given the large scale of this project, the refuse for the garbage is to be nice if it could not be a dumpster kind of on the parking lot, but it was internal kind of in from view not against property lines. Absolutely. The larger building is internal. It is internal. For the smaller buildings, we are going to have carts, but they will be surrounded by fence and it will be a way for the property. Fair enough. Given that traffic assessments have kind of been done here and there's a question about the schools, I would kind of ask if it was possible to give the scale of this project and just the amount of units in the area and how much is being put in this area with an economic impact assessment that you've done in terms of the local property values, the downtown area there for positive or negative. But that's obviously a concern for me being right next to this and what's going to happen to my property value of what's happening to the local downtown area. And finally, just a final comment. I'd ask, given that this is going to be about 43 units in this general area between this project and the other one, is this how we want to bring low income folks into our community? I would be more in favor of having lower density and more spread out through the towns and through the community. My concern here is that given this density are we really bringing them into the community or are we just blocking them all in one small little area and do we run the risk that we're not going to actually be integrating them into our neighborhoods, into our communities as effectively. So I just think it's something worth considering. Okay, can I answer that a little bit? First of all, our households on our waiting list are already Arlington residents. So it's not like you're importing them and then putting them into the neighborhood. They could be living next door to you, they could be living across the street already. They're already here and they desperately need affordable housing. And Arlington residents are one of our first priorities in terms of giving leasing housing. Sure, just for clarity though, there's not necessarily bringing them in. For saying my concern is more the concentration. I would rather have them more distributed folks so that they're more easily integrated into the communities. Right now we have Campus Square which is 32 units on two lots. So right next door to each other with a parking lot in between the three buildings. I know that most of the tenants who live there are pretty fully integrated. They work for different companies in the area. They hop the buses every morning along with everyone else. The Condo Association next door has written me so many letters saying thank you so much for doing this. Your tenants are great people. I see most of them walking out taking public transportation. It's wonderful. Thank you so much for doing this. So I don't know what else to say. While the rest of our units are fully dispersed. I mean we range all the way from Smith Street up to the Heights all the way down to the furthest south of this door at the Overvine New York property. That's my understanding most of your projects are kind of smaller or dispersed through and this one isn't much larger than that. We're not most. 32 are at Capital Square. We have 80 on that amp between 10 and 1100. Actually we have 18 plus another 3. So that's another 23. And then right down the street we have another 10. So we're in a two block area. We've got This is this is a project to serve our residents that are already here. And this is important to note that this is a portable housing. Portable housing is from the last project 60% of the median. That's with our affordable housing. It has to be clear between the master plan and everything else at this time that is done since I've been at home for the past dozen years and since I've lived here for 20 years is to try to expand and enrich our affordable housing stock. So I think that is something that certainly the town meeting and everything else has agreed in respect to the master plan. So that is a piece of this as far as I can see. I'm sorry. Beyond the affordable road the school is not the problem with the traffic.  I got to get up at 6 30 to get out there and be able to go to school. What I would ask you is if you could do a pit. Public input during the cleanup of the property would that be possible? It is possible. I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for. Input not input but more like we would be informed of the process what's going on on a timely basis. Certainly. I've asked all the neighbors in that area to be informed. I know you're a collegiate living on 24 North Street. This is difficult because I I've grown up down the street from this my whole life. I don't know what it is. I've heard of it. I know it was behind it but it's not the dump to me. I spent many years trying to get it to Arlington and that's not what I came here for. That is just sorry guys that is a monstrosity to put in the neighborhood that I came to get a quaint little house but now it grows up and they're going to walk through that intersection. That intersection has been here since I was five. Everybody's been here long enough to notice.  Number one. Number two, my head voice is on that bike path and it's around and it's going to get so much worse that you put entrants to it and people, kids going back and forth to that train station or the bus station that this is just like you said, maybe a different use for a couple of nice houses. A couple of nice houses in the Arlington house is four or five. Twenty fifteen years ago we were approved at 26 and everybody was like how can they go 26 houses there? Forty three it just seems it seems to blow my mind that it's even a problem. I can go into the picking of the walls and all that but that's two my kids can't even get to school because that intersection is dead to dead ground and the town has been trying trying and trying so how much money you can't add 30 cars and they can't even know what that is. So the school, I used to go to school and we'd meet up here with kids, talking to everybody here with kids in pairs. That thing is packed to the health and then there's meetings every couple of years we're going to close the school, what are we going to do everybody gets up in arms and now we're going to add forty three houses, two kids, eighty six kids the numbers just don't seem to add up to me I don't see how anything can happen that's a city block this isn't a city this is a nice town block nice houses I see it's pretty I respect architecture but it's not on at all I just don't see how it's even remotely thought of other used couple of nice houses fine but it just blows my mind I got a list here, I don't want to waste my time but I just can't believe it twenty six years was a mind-blower back and we're adding twenty more it seems to be okay can I just have it's thirty four so that people know fifteen of them are one bedroom fourteen across the street fourteen or two bedrooms and five or three sit in my room and listen to the bike that at night we're going to add all our feet no cars we're all going to park on either one street over near him when they can't park and get friends come over because there's no parking they all come down my street and the next we open and it's jacked up it's already starting to get that way I can't imagine with half of my parking to actually leave and that's not a probe by the way it's a protected weapon that needs to be taken into consideration thank you can I assume the zoning review was the same as from the last project that was reported to submit formal discussions we had meetings with him and we submitted plans to him last week in your packet usually you get a set of dimensional requirements and how the project meets and I was wondering if you had it for this particular application and my question is what is the required percentage and what is it provided from to the gentleman I can answer that in R7 for a quiet percentage it's one hundred feet and the percentage there is 96.9 but this project is grandfathered because bylaw came in after and I would suggest to you that the project is grandfathered under 48 section 6 I think that's something you usually look at the next question what is the required parking and what is the provided parking total parking required 48 we can bring it down to I'm sorry how much total parking required is 48 with reductions we can bring that down to 12 75% reduction does that find the R7 zone yes it does not because I would respond while it says R5 and R6 it does not say R7 it's that dismantling family it says specifically by special permit to allow reduction of parking space given the R5, R6 business and industrial zones we've asked the inspection services to review and review this it should be allowed it's not mentioned I'm reading I just downloaded your zone from your website I want to go on record I want to go on record the town meeting did not pass that we will ask the building inspector thank you another question is does any of this structure exceed 40 feet in height or either of the structures I should say what's the question mind the question the question is does any of the building either of the buildings exceed 40 feet in height no and if so has anyone done the hypothesis for the residential areas that are close to them they're in their zone of plot well there are four stories maximum of five stories they go to 40 feet again inspection services will review that I'm astounded that you don't have that information provided to you it was for a time that it's not the information but just to get an idea about the frontage I would suggest that the attorney represents the applicant as well I'm only able to bring the site to the city and at that time they were required to go to the city I think that's quite likely to show that that was we'll leave it totally different thank you yes you're away on Longstreet Place I have a couple of concerns about this project and I'll start with the environmental concerns I was looking up on the MAS DEV website the public records for this site and the most recent the most recent documents that they had in their database were from 2012 and so I was wondering what the status is of the findings of the information that you found out about the environmental steps of the property with DEP and if there's an RTN seems to be the number that they file things by I don't have that information on the 2012 with our information of the date okay and I guess you mentioned working with LSPs to clean up the site and I was wondering what the status is of have you hired the LSPs or okay and so who are the LSPs that you're working with DEI and I have another consultant I so beyond that I did also have some concerns about the height of the forestry building especially as one of the gentlemen here mentioned what a shadow plan to see what the impact can be on the houses on whole streets because it looks from the plans like it's in the words of one of my neighbors trying to basically block all of the sky several of the houses about the project so it would be great to see those shadow plans and the other thing was that I did want to also have some concerns about the visitor parking but I understand that the tenants themselves are discouraged from having vehicles and that there are mechanisms to enforce that in the lease but gentlemen over here was saying there are concerns about visitors parking all over the side streets if they can't park in the parking lot and so I just wanted to mention that concern thank you we haven't yet filed for them but we've been okay and they came up with the plan how far back my name is Neon Mondo I'm a board member of the housing court of Arlington I just want to say a few things about the tremendous need for affordable housing in Arlington and I think it's been indicated by Mr. Kayer and others that it's an important concern to work with in Arlington I also want to speak in favor obviously of this project I also think that it's important to understand what a great service in many ways that the housing corporation will be providing to deal with this extremely dirty chemically dirty site and this piece of land that has been sitting there for a long time unused and I think that it's a great testament to the housing court of Arlington to take on this project the risks of involved in redeveloping a piece of property like this are tremendous and it's going to be a really fantastic amenity for the town on this right on the bike path there one other thing about the development of affordable housing and the concentration of size developments I think it's important to remember that our development on Mass Ave the Capital Square development right next door to it there is being constructed new market rate high-end housing is happy to have us as neighbors and I think when affordable housing is developed and designed well and understanding the comments about some of the design issues that I think we've heard very clearly it can be a very good neighbor it can be a great amenity for the neighbor but I just want to speak in favor of the project thank you sir, thank you I realize that I have no control all the way it looks like a Soviet block and it's way too high but that's fine that's just my opinion and I can't really say much more with that but I am concerned being on North Street right there with the parking now I know we've been reassured over and over again but if you have 43 units there are going to be 100 and some odd people living all of a sudden on a corner of the street and yes you have a single room apartment but you might have a wife and a kid so there's three people right there I've seen people have six people in a two-bedroom apartment and I just don't understand how 43 or 63 cars are going to be in there because even if you just have slots for the people as they've said you have visitors so they drive down my street park to get to their friend's house because it's right there they're putting a nice entrance onto the bike path we have entrances onto the bike path it'll just be a thing they do I guarantee it they're just going to park in front of our houses and it's already clogged along those streets now in the winter Lowell Street becomes a madhouse because you have parking on both sides and you have two-way traffic and I was going to come to a town meeting sometime and suggest that the side that the compound is being built on be eliminated so that it was only parking on one side of the street because in the winter with the build-up of streets and everything it becomes like snow it becomes like Cambridge and my kids walk to school on those sidewalks and it's a complete nightmare I can't see bringing that many units into that area it's just crazy and so but I have no power over that I'm just expressing an opinion and I believe everyone in this room has the same opinion as well as the other 500 people in that neighborhood that didn't show up tonight and please change the look of it I think they heard that I just wanted to say if this gives you any comfort in Capital Scare we have 32 units 32 parking spaces at any time two o'clock in the morning two o'clock in the afternoon Saturday, Sunday, Monday through Friday we have 10 to 12 empty parking spaces so even if they are allowed parking from our perspective they just don't utilize it they don't need it secondly we give out stickers for our parking spaces and we will implement towing if we need to we do in other developments if we end up having problems we have done that in the past we will do it in the future if we have to and you have every right if people park in front of your house and you don't think they belong there to call the police and to get them Good evening and good night Chris Rowley and thank you certainly tell my wife our letter I don't want to touch on all the points of community meetings the group here has listened to the comments about the aesthetics and to your point on the height of the bike trail height that back building the larger of the two buildings while maybe a certain number of stories of four I believe plus potential solar on the roof we do have a large grade from the bike trail up to that building so it's essentially maybe not exactly on feet but from the bike path we just should consider that as a number and in several examples my peers here, my neighbors have commented on the toll number and we shouldn't lose sight of the combined Westminster app project with this new project it is a large impact as a combination of the two units together so while one is permanently at a different time and this is obviously its own separate project they're there lastly I just have a question for the group you've asked for a number of documents and plans and surveys to come out wondering when the community is going to be able to see those I do understand the transportation plan has been conducted it has not been made public to my knowledge and so we all any piece of the application is public you can get it at the Department of Planning you can develop it okay so we need to come and seek that out there's not going to be at like your next meeting would there be an opportunity to see those plans there would be an opportunity to see the next meeting we'd like to see before that we'll check with planning and development thank you so much yes sir Hi, I'm also a little street place I mean basically we're hashing over the same thing all night long and what I'm hearing what you're hearing but especially what I'm feeling is that this is a very large project that to me feels like it's just being thrust on the neighborhood and I was trying to imagine in my head exactly what this would look like the pictures are great I love it I actually prefer the style of architecture I think it's wonderful I'd like to live there I don't live there, I live right behind it or right next to it or some place around it houses that are conspicuously left out of all of these drawings and I think what you would see if they were included is this four-story apartment building towering over the rest of the neighborhood there was a mention about sky being blocked out I tried to figure how high 40 feet is and because I'm human I have no idea how tall 40 feet is I can count 40 feet on the ground that means nothing to me when it goes up in the air what else is 40 feet tall and after I'm a sports fan, this is actually three feet taller than the green monster if anyway so I'm pretty sure everybody knows how big that is so if you're willing to put four-sided green monster in the neighborhood then that's fine, but you need to say that's what we're doing floodplains and other setback rules don't apply when you're talking about a giant wall 20 feet up the property line and of course all the other concerns I'm going to just second them garbage, thank you for putting it inside or at least containing it in some way I'm still concerned about the vehicles being able to gain entrance I'm sure the numbers probably say it can't happen but I'd like some more maybe actual thought about how one of these trucks will get in there how it's going to back out of there is some I guess emergency access that's being reserved for the neighborhood that's great snow removal of course living along the side where the I'm sure very conscientious landscapers will be dumping the snow that's going to pile up very quickly with 20 feet maybe 20 feet separating the property lines and the parking lot we're talking about many cubic feet of snow coming up there even with a small storm of course there's a noise on the bike path just the several dozen kids or whatever that are already tracing through the neighborhood at all hours of the night adding more more noise and more traffic is going to impact the neighborhood and traffic of course traffic sucks but it's also Boston so it's going to suck everywhere I was also trying to imagine about what it's going to actually feel like so let's imagine just we've all been coming down Lowell Street trying to get through to wherever up to two down to mass up to Pierce imagine just one car trying to turn left into that driveway to get home and you have two people who are dead set on not letting anybody go what's that going to do to the other four people that are trying to get through that intersection we saw just was it two weeks ago when they were doing the red light work the stop light work on Mass and Park Avenue that blocked out the entire neighborhood for most of the day people were just not able to go anywhere and that was an actual red light so what happens with just a couple cars who aren't able to turn left I guess that's it or if you have to take a 180 degree turn out of there to get out to wherever you're going let's press down 44 Westminster I've lived in a town about 28 a long time on this particular street I've been with but we bought the house about 15 years ago so kind of new to this neighborhood as this neighborhood goes and these I'm looking out to these people right these are my these are my neighbors right we've got North Street we've got Lowell Street Lowell Street in place we've got Westminster we're trying to tell this board that if you put 34 units right there at that intersection especially that intersection it is going to jam everyone up I respect you know these developers for having the low income housing I have no problem with it and it's not like I'm saying not in my back yeah I'm saying not at that intersection you've got to work from reality and the reality is a couple things here Pierce Elementary is one of the very few schools in the town that doesn't have trailers in that backyard housing kids and teaching them trailers okay you said that there are four empty classrooms in Pierce I have a kid that goes to Pierce okay I'm very involved with my kid I'm very involved with the school they don't have four empty classrooms they use those classrooms maybe not as classrooms but they use those classrooms for different things for helping the children in different aspects either counseling or some sort of a care but it's don't make it sound like they're storage rooms that are empty we're looking at redoing our entire school system in order to have a place to put our middle school kids okay why am I even talking about Pierce because it's right up at the top of that hill this gentleman over here makes a lot of sense if somebody's trying to come into take the left into or the right into their parking spot which you're going to provide right parking in this structure it's definitely going to jam up that intersection in the morning now you bought the you mind if I sit you bought the nine unit two three houses down from my house and that's fine you're laying down the law there's no parking but you can't tell them that they can't have people over for holidays to come over it's going to flood our neighborhood with more cars now you're saying on top of the nine you want to put 34 units across the street you're very proud about owning half of that intersection but I'm telling you I don't own any of the intersection I live four houses up from that intersection and I sit in traffic 20 minutes to get to the end of the road we're talking about 40 45 yards that it takes me it takes me 25 minutes to get down there now I would just like you to actually acknowledge this because what it seems like please let me talk finish up I will in time because this means a lot to me it does mean a lot I was talking to her that's good because it seems like you're blowing off the neighborhood like you don't care I understand that this is a very very good project that you're doing here in this intersection right now with the snow that the northeast gets there's next to no space for cars as it is and you're planning on putting my god by my calculations almost 40 cars into the neighborhood 23 23 cars 23 parking spots 23 parking spots each of these people have the ability to help people over everyone in this room is a human which therefore is a social animal which has family friends from over from time to time I have to start in left half and go down to the left and then come back up this is obviously an issue that everyone who's wrong about wants to address I'm going to ask that any further comments be addressed for the board and not directly at the performance but I'm also going to add we've asked the performance to go back and review this transportation plan that they put in to make arrangements for transportation to try to reduce the need for cars now as far as visitors as far as parking anybody can lose in a neighborhood has the right to the same rate as anybody else I'm very familiar with the neighborhood I live there myself I know how difficult it is for parking to be done we've also asked the transportation provider to weigh in on this to provide their opinion on how this will impact Donut Square and the underlying neighborhood and we've also asked proponent to come up with some other solutions what they can do to alleviate some of these concerns I'm wondering when that parking study was done but we've done during the school year the preschool parking is atrocious and it comes all the way up Westminster and I'm sure that maybe my neighbor's money there's no more preschool the pre-school that she the building that was in the pre-school that was in the building was gone the pre-school right across the street is alive and thriving and that's where the cars come all the way up past my house they're not here to defend themselves and they're not part of this hearing but the car that is a permanent point if you're dumping 40 more cars into the neighborhood all we can do is listen to you we can't do anything about that there are other groups in the town I have a question has the sport actually gone to the site do you know what that section is about I drive through it every day I know exactly what it looks like but if you take this into consideration it's a decision the parking was on October 19th they've been trying to fix that in such a 40 year program if you want to figure it out solicit if you guys are going to have a conversation with each other we'll real quick we said you were going to close the public comments and then after this we have to go through writing doesn't that seem a little early with all the stuff missing they don't even know the height of the building really other comments? questions I do appreciate everybody's input I know this is a difficult project it's a contentious project I appreciate that everyone has been largely civil to see thank you for that thank you for your comments I think what I'm obligated to do is continue this to November 21st meeting have you come back with some of these concerns have T8 and ATAC address the issues hopefully in their next meeting or soon thereafter and we can come back in the meantime keep these lines of communication open with each other please I think it's been productive I know from the public meetings excuse me I didn't know that this was going to start at 7.30 until I saw the sign over there when I was over there all public meetings are advertised well in advance the one that I saw in the paper said 8.15 well this hearing was scheduled on our agenda I think that would be your concern this meeting was scheduled for 8.30 all all all other meetings why would you notice on the website thank you I'll move to continue the public hearing I just want to to make sure that we were clear in our request to the TAC that we had their advice on both the traffic at the intersection as well as parking parking yes it's my understanding that you want them to review the traffic setting I think that's how people do that yeah that intersection the notion is is to look at the traffic study and make sure that the conclusions etc they do their routine and if anyone has comments, questions, they want to take a look at the traffic study and see what's been provided and I would suggest to go to the traffic advisory they're the ones who know traffic there's a motion on the table before your motion I just have one more question a gentleman earlier mentioned the plumage why is it that they're giving away with not enough furniture on this project no one's getting away with that I just don't have the application I'm happy to provide it to you if you want to stick around until after the meeting I'll talk to you if you want to stick around and have a conversation with Ms. Hallett and her attorney briefly the application there's a minimum frontage of 100 feet their proposal is 96.9 and it may be grandfathered in under a prior existing statute that's where the special services they tell us they'll be telling me about this if you want to have a conversation with Ms. Hallett's attorney please feel free to do that I'll explain that to you more than adequately so I move to continue the hearing until November 21st I'll second I'll second that I'll second that I'll second that all in favor thank you I know we're all here for this please take it out as quickly as we can we have additional business to stop very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear very hard to hear All right, next up, one more public hearing, sorry, I'm just going to ask everyone to step on the side, please, we still have one more public hearing to go. It has to go on the outside, not just downstairs. It carries up, thank you. All right, public hearing to reopen in the ER special permit document, number 3161192. Thank you gentlemen for your patience, please come up and introduce yourselves. Thank you. We hope that. That's okay. That's okay. Sorry. Hopefully. No, no, no, no. Clear them out. I don't know if the popular is already working. Fair enough. We've been working on something with metro sign and audience to develop some signage where our proposed restaurant at 190 Massage, which is something that we're very worried with, the former floor space. And what we've proposed is some window lettering decals for the front four windows, main three windows, which are directly facing Massachusetts Avenue and one side window, which is sort of at an angle on the corner of the building, which is the corner closest to the Chinese, lucky, the Chinese hotdog vendor. And then also to replace the existing floor signage, which is currently sort of a well-structured illuminated from behind. It's just a fixed illuminated sign with a double-sided vinyl printed banner. We've taken a lot of considerations into effect when we were coming up with what we wanted for the signage. We kind of looked around the neighborhood with the existing businesses. So we tried to choose color and style that was relatively conservative, fitting in line with the other conservative signs of businesses in that neighborhood on the East Arlington block. And of course the sizing and the dimensions of all that. So the banner would also be illuminated with the existing lighting from on top, which is on the building. I believe in the plans that we have, there's a bracket with lighting that's on the bracket, which is right above the signage. There's anything else you want to add? One late signage or two? It's one sign, but double signage. No, the floor signage. There is two. There's one on the channel street and one on that side. But you only can do one on that side? Right. And do you have any ideas? Go ahead. Behind that signage, is there any repairs? You guys just go ahead and blend in the brickwork and get it. That's part of that. Yes. We peeked behind the sign with the electrician because there's a condiment that actually runs along the corner of the building connecting the two because those current signs are both illuminated from the same power source. So we sort of peek behind there. It doesn't look like there's really too much damage besides a couple of screw holes that are actually holding that in place. Anything that is there would be sort of fixed up again. The only question I got, so whereas they had the floor sign there, you're not going to have anything, you just have the window details and stuff. Correct. That's all right. Looks great. I like it. Motion approved. Go for it. David, do you have any comments? No. I could talk about bicycle. I'm sorry. Motion approved. The EDR sign. Docket 31, 61, 190, 192 SF. How was that? Somebody. All in favor. Congratulations. Thank you for your stickiness. I appreciate it. All right. Now, if anything is left, I am going to only go to Janet's director's report. Yes. I would like to know if you could make the next item and everything else. What we do is what we talk about the conversation about the board appointments to your next meeting. I will be here, but I'll provide for all the information. All right. I did skip over the mic. So this was... Yeah. So hopefully you have an opportunity to review a memo that was prepared by Matt Strasburg, senior planner, with regard to a Whole Foods market bicycle repair facility that would be on the bike path. This was actually already approved by the board of selection as directed by the town manager who, as we heard earlier, has a story for the bike path and things that occur along the bike path. But they asked that the board review the sort of branding that the company would like to put on the sun. So that's really your focus here. And then... I don't know. Actually, that's really it. So I mean, it's a whole description of what it will look like and where it will be located. So I'm looking at attachment Bs. Yes. I would prefer so I don't feel that explanation is to keep a liability of leaving it there if that's necessary. Okay. But looking at attachment A, is this as they propose to you? No, that's just an example. Yeah, I think if you look at the last page in the bottom right corner, that green wrap, I think is all we're talking about with the tiny little logo. And where you want the liability and statement of the logo to go. So do you prefer... Yeah. Yeah, there's also actually... It doesn't affect the function of this. I'm sorry, I can't hear when we're all talking. Did you want to make a comment? Well, David was... Well, I mean, it's a great thing to install a bike repair station there. The aesthetic part that they're proposing to add is extremely