For fast, cheap, and reliable Madden 22 coins, make sure to go to instantmaddencoins.com Use code MMG for 10% off. I don't even need to get you amped up! If you didn't click on this video amped up, then I don't know what to tell you! I don't know why you're here! Nobody here right now should be confused! This is the NFC Championship! And one of the most crucial wheel of mud seasons of my life! Roughly four weeks ago, we got booted out of the playoffs. We got crushed by a Jets fan, and that sting of defeat hurt. It hurt bad. But I realized something. I realized if we had a near flawless season, picked up a few ragequits along the way, we could somehow, some way, finesse ourselves into the Super Bowl on the day of the Super Bowl. And there is one game that lies before us and the Super Bowl. And that is this, the NFC Championship! Will I be poverty, like Jimmy Garopp poverty? And choke? Or will I clutch up like Joe Sheisty and Frat Stafford? Or Statt Padford, however you want to look at it?  I mean, I can't. This is wheel of mud, baby, the NFC Championship! A beautiful offensive line, a Debo Samuel, who is one touchdown away from a fully maxed 98 overall power up player. He has a stud now though, so I feel super confident throwing it to him. DK Metcalf, my prestige wide receiver at one point in time. Incredible. He's made so many plays for us. It's kind of a Hail Mary to assume he'll get another card. I highly doubt he will, but hey, you never know. EA has done weirder things. AP! Also, I realized I could have gotten Bo Jackson with that Auburn college wheel, but here's what I did guys, okay? I just typed in current NFL players from Auburn. I didn't think of all the players that went to Auburn. It was stupid, I shouldn't have done that. We're gonna get two wheel spins here today.  I want another. I mean, technically, I want both a backup tight end and a fullback, but if I have to choose, I want a fullback. I'll let Max Williams play backup tight end. But dude, this is who people scum kick to.  I do not trust Max Williams with that ball. I want like Zonka or anybody else. Y'all already know we got Super Bowl Devon White! The prestige paid off. I knew he'd be getting a Super Bowl card. I apologize. Obviously, the schedule is really difficult here. Like this is the most wheel of mud I've posted in a long time. We are back to back to back. Assuming I win today, we'll have another one tomorrow on the day of the Super Bowl, right? So obviously, I had to record a little bit in advance and Devon White wasn't on the other ones. But he's here now. So we've got Devon White, got Darren Waller. We're all caught up, unless some other astronomical thing has happened in this 24-hour time span. I love our defense now. I think Ryan Kerrigan's a little bit out of place. But even then, he's totally fine. He's an 88 overall left end. He's a little funky at de-tackle too, but we also have a focus kicker now. So I'm a very happy man. All right, baby, we're spinning. Fullback, I can't believe it. Right before we're headed to the Tennessee Championship, I'm here trying to grab a fullback. But let's do it. It's a... It's a Blitz jackpot? That is really good. I love your jackpots, baby.  Is there a fullback in that promo? I will say at the top of my head, the limited for that is Kyle Pitts, 95 overall Kyle Pitts. That's an amazing backup tight end. Okay, so there is a fullback. There's an 89 overall care, There's no way that's how you say his name. White people. Either way, there's a legitimate 89 overall fullback. Did I do this off? I don't know how I just went on this big spiel about if I had to choose between a tight end and a fullback. I'm choosing the fullback, but this is a little different because I'm not just choosing between the two. I'm choosing between a 95 tight end and an 89 fullback. I am gonna go with Blitz Kyle Pitts here. And this is kind of funny too because if you guys remember about maybe seven or eight episodes ago, I had an opportunity to get Kyle Pitts back before Darren Waller was prestigeed to his team of the year. And everybody's like, bro, you have to get Kyle Pitts. He's better than Darren Waller, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, guess what? Not only am I getting him anyway, but Darren Waller is still better. So I ended up accidentally making a good call. 93 speed, 93.  He's a 91 at fullback and I trust him getting scum kicked to over a lot of people. The only thing is if I'm in, like, eye formation, running the ball, I can't see him being very good. Let me see the block. You know what? Actually, way better than I expected. 82 run block. 82 impact block. That ain't bad at all. All right, boys, Kyle Pitts. I actually technically killed two birds with one stone. I did a little better than I thought there. So I could end up doing a detacle here if I want to. The overall view.  Oh, it could have been better, but you know what? That's actually not that bad. That is, is that right down the middle? That is, that is four on either side. This is the absolute most average spin I could have gotten on the Yo-Girls reel. So that ain't bad at all. 91 overall. So I can get any player in the game who's a 91. I think I'm going for Fletcher Cox. I can really go for some Cox right now, actually. Yeah. Only 64th. Wow, that's crazy to me. 91 overall detacle. Fletcher Cox. Not the best thing in the world, but hey, people do better than Ryan Kerrigan down there, I think. Oh my God. Are we really ready for this game already? Oh my God. Boys! The team is assembled. Before the NFC championship, here's what we're looking at. Sean T. Ramsey. Isaiah Simmons. Rivas. Chase Young. Hassan Reddick. Warren Sapp. Fletcher Cox. Metcalf. Shacktops. Devin White. A true hero of Wheel-a-Mutt. Devin White. Ray Ray. Lois. Darren Waller. Another hero. Kyle Pence. Max Williams. Jay Jedis. Tim T. Goats. A D. A P. DK Metcalf times two. Debo. Deon Dawkins. Jonah Jackson. Jason Kelsey. Wyatt Teller. It's ready as we will ever be. There's nothing more stressful than clicking on seasons, going over to playoffs and seeing one more win. The conference championship! The final thing I must do is the challenge wheel, which will give us a team in the year player if we clutch up. And the last one gave us Justin Jefferson, which was a huge addition to this team. So let's see the challenge here. 100 yards to the backup, you know what? There's never been a greater time to have Kyle Pence on this team. Kyle Pence is the backup to Darren Waller. And I'm ready for this game, boys! I can realistically see him getting 100. I'm not going to force anything. But if he's open, I'll absolutely feed him the rock. Josh Allen. PJ Williams. And then, Zell Ward. I've got Darren Waller, Tim T. Goat. And Jalen Ramsey. And the NFC Championship! We're in four field! And please tell me, I have logo markers on the field this time.   But guess what, baby? NFC Championship logos on the field means this is my NFC Championship. Play action, cover three-meter. Yes, it is. He wants to throw it to the left side. I really thought he might have thrown an I.N.T. on the first play of the game. I'm getting on Josh Allen. I hope he does it again. Yes. Same thing! That's a sec! Come on, man! Play action once again. Oh, it's all on the left side. Laser beam. Play action again! And I'm on his head! There's going to be a lot of those from Isaiah Simmons today. Let's see if he stays in it. Oh, I don't get him with Isaiah Simmons that time. He checks it down. But he's out of bounds. We're in his face so fast. He can't make these throws. I can't believe he's staying in it. I kind of expect this one to be... he's going to pull out of it. Right? No, he does it again. And we're on his head again! He's out of field goal range! Fourth and 26. No way! He just threw that off his backing and saved throw. I blitzed. He came back half as well. That's why he was so open. Because I blitzed. Metcapa, we're on him so fast. He couldn't make the throw. Let's get AP started early, yeah? All right. Left-sided. He is actually looks open. Oh, maybe not. A man mid blitz. See if he stays in it. He does. Why is wide open underneath? Not only that, but he rubbed AP. Spectacular down fifth one. We're down to the 20. Offensive player is distorted for the away team. We've got momentum early. Let's see if this is there. Peaks on bubble. It's wide open. Toss that block. And Adrian. Adrian score an RPO peak zone bubble. Oh my God. What a spectacular start. Ball at half. We've got to stop. We've got to score.  Those like deep crossers are so hard to stop in any defense. Oh, no play action that time.  Concerns me a little bit. I don't know what this is. Double slants. Double slants. This is double slants. Check down. Check down. Loki had no idea what he thought he was throwing there, but it wasn't open. I'm not blitzing much at anybody. This is probably a bad call. Deep corner is there, I think. Oh my God, it's not. There's nothing. Little playmaker is there. He's handling the pass pro really well. They're not open.  Let's go. He's running these play actions and completely audibling out of the play action part, which is hilarious to me. Good. We'll take those.  I've gone most of the season without a good edge rusher because at the start of the season, edge rusher was not very good. All of a sudden, it's spectacular. Oh, he can still throw this? No, sir. No, sir.  He clipped his toenails because look at how close Ramsay was to not getting that. First in 10, most likely mid blitz, right? Debo. Debo!  He's finally back in full form. Damn, I was real worried. All right, we don't even have to take the penalty. That's a beauty. He has no d-line abilities.  Yeah? Yeah! Got to have jukebox, not bulldozer. I could have gone for a touchdown there if I go jukebox. I'm about to run it again, dude. Our game looks mean right now. Look at that. That is... Oh, come on. Come on! Spectacular downfield blocking. Let's go. This is what it's like when I have a good team. Also, by the way, this is the playoffs. I have no morals in the playoffs.  All right, I want you to pinch up the middle so that this is there. That is exactly what I wanted. Oh, my God, look how open he is. Look at how open he is. I say we take the touchdown. There's a small part of me that, yes, I could run out of bounds and try and get the Debo Samuel touchdown or keep chewing that clock. I do too much of that in the regular season. I end up screwing it up. What's crucial in this game is as many points on the board as I can. And you know what? If we're blowing this dude out in the fourth quarter, I'll go for a Debo touchdown. I'll go for Kyle Pitts 100. But right now, I'm playing football, and I'm not thinking about anything else. There's a six-man rush. I'm sending the boys down. I've got Olworth.  Dude, I don't know why he keeps doing that. This guy is low-key delusional. Just stop running and play action, bro. Run the same play, but block your running back. Actually, I'm a little mad at you, bro. You're in the NFC championship.  He wants the one over the top of this one, but it's not going to be there. Is it? No. There's just no way you could have thrown that.   I'm actually going to go guard it. I'll go guard it. I'll go guard the high one, because you can't throw the low one. Ooh. Ooh! Machine Taylor!  There was a point time we were 5 and 3.  But guess what? We get a rage quit filed by another rage quit, sends us to the playoffs. A 25 to 7 resounding victory. A semi-close divisional. Got a little sketchier than I liked. And a dominant NFC championship.   There's one game standing between me and that game. Not only that, but I get a rage quit wheel spin. Can you believe that? I'm going to be honest with you guys, a rage quit wheel is better right now. I have no clue what we could get from this. I would actually be useful to this team, because this team is cracked. I just don't know. How good does it get? You know what? They might have updated this actually. You know, the rage quit wheel is just not engineered for the playoffs, though. Like, you're not supposed to be getting rage quits in the playoffs.  So it's just weird to get it. They do update this periodically, so it could be better than I'm thinking. It's actual dog water, but whatever. I'm surprised. They usually update this all the way up to, like, a 94-95. I'll make sure after this season that I update the rage quit wheel to fit with what we've got going here, but we couldn't really... What could we really expect, bro? We're cracked. I actually could get an idea of where I'll pull back. Marshall had one.  Goodbye. Now that I know I got a rage quit, though, I am bummed out that I didn't go for a Debo touchdown. I mean, hindsight's 20-20, right? Because he could have, you know, marched down the field and scored, but if I go out of bounds with AP on the 1, with the Debo touchdown, I have a fully maxed Debo for the Super Bowl. Now, this is a bummer. There is no chance that I can get Debo Samuel is 98 for the Super Bowl. Unless, of course, I got to pack a punch as a wheel spin or 97 jackpot. There's really no way that it could happen. So that is a bummer, but we did get Debo. So we played 13 games, and Debo started here. So that's 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12. We had 12 touchdowns in 13 games. Debo Samuel. So I will reevaluate how we do the power-up player in the next season. Next season of Wheel-A-Mut is the last season for Madden 22. So I'll reevaluate the power-up. I'll make sure you guys are clued in on that, too. It could be my prestige. Oh, my God, that just clicked in my brain. I need a prestige. I made it to the Super Bowl, which means no matter what happens, I am prestigeing a player. Debo would be sick. Then I could get his team of the year 98 overall. Very good. Adrian Peterson will most likely get a boss legend, and that's probably a good prestige, too. He played amazing in the playoff so far. This is unorthodox, but offensive line would actually be really smart. In reality, the best prestige is either Chase Young or Hassan Redick. I already have so many defensive prestige, as though I think it's going to have to be offensive. We'll have to see. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you, as always, for joining me on such an incredible journey. I'm so honored that half a million people really tune in to watch this completely made-up series.  Don't ever be nervous that I'm not going to want to do that, because I love you guys so much.  Super Bowl is up next. Let's go.


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Yeah, if everyone could take their seats, please welcome back from the break. I Wonder remind everybody in the in the audience here about the QR codes for the sessions. That's the way we get the People who are here in person to submit questions for the plenary sessions and the same will be done for the technical sessions So please take note of that as we as we get started so it's it's my pleasure to Introduce the Honorable Jeff Barron He was nominated by the President Obama and sworn in as a commissioner in October of 2014 and his he is currently serving a term ending on June 30th of this year During this tenure on the commission commissioner Barron's priorities have included Maintaining a strong focus on safety and security of the operating reactor fleet promoting environmental justice and Preparing to review and oversee the safety of new technology Since joining the commission commissioner Barron has visited dozens of NRC licensed facilities as well as several sites abroad Before serving on the commission commissioner Barron worked for the US House of Representatives for over 11 years Originally from the Chicago area Commissioner Barron earned a bachelor's degree and master's degree in political science from Ohio University He also holds a law degree from Harvard Law School And with that commissioner Barron where we look forward to your remarks I'll be trusted with people's papers Well, thanks Ray. Good morning everyone. It's great to be here for our first hybrid Rick This is a terrific opportunity for face-to-face discussions after a few years of not being able to get together in person It also offers a convenient way for stakeholders from across the country and around the world to concentrate their Rick participation on their areas of interest without the need for travel Whether you're participating in person or virtually this conference is a chance to hear about what's happening at the agency and to discuss current technical and policy Issues with thousands of others who are focused on nuclear I'm excited to welcome our international regulator partners back to the Rick I think we've all missed this week of engagement in recent times We are honored to be joined by chairman Karkov of the state nuclear regulatory inspector of Ukraine We stand in solidarity with the Ukrainian people and with you and your colleagues who are working every day to ensure nuclear safety under incredibly perilous and stressful conditions as I embark on my eighth Rick. I've been reflecting on the major changes. I've seen since 2014 a lot has changed We've seen major shifts in NRC's workload budget staff size hiring and overall outlook for the future When I arrived on the commission these factors were all on a downward slope Our workload was shrinking our staff and budget were shrinking We had the project aim effort to reduce costs narrowly avoided layoffs and essentially had a hiring freeze for some time Nuclear power plants were shutting down Back then there was little talk of new construction beyond Vogel There was some interest in small modular reactors, but almost no real discussion of advanced non-lightwater reactors Today we're in a very different situation Policymakers and the public are increasingly focused on climate change and on dramatically reducing carbon emissions President Biden has made it a priority to put the United States on a path to eliminate carbon emissions in the electric sector by 2035 and achieve a net-zero economy by 2050 Many states and utilities have adopted similar targets The urgency and scale of the climate challenge have led to a growing consensus among policymakers that meeting ambitious climate goals Will involve nuclear power including new reactors The inflation reduction act makes huge investments to drive this transition Including through the clean electricity production tax credit and funding for a domestic high essay low-enriched uranium supply chain Few if any nuclear power plants are expected to close in the US anytime soon with more potential applications for advanced reactors Small modular reactors subsequent license renewal new fuel designs power upgrades and risk informed programs expected and our sees overall workload is increasing We're hiring again and our budget has stabilized or even expanded a bit to allow us to do this new work The outlook for nuclear has markedly changed and it is an exciting time to be doing our important work NRC has a key role to play in tackling the climate crisis It's our job to ensure the safety and security of nuclear power in the US energy mix and that means we need to be ready When utilities and vendors tell us that we should expect numerous designs new designs and reactor applications We need to be ready with sufficient Resources and the right expertise To review them and an efficient and effective licensing process that can handle whatever volume comes our way That's an important NRC responsibility in this period of change NRC also needs to be open to and ready for new technologies that could improve safety whether it's digital instrumentation and control Accident tolerant fuels sensors advanced manufacturing techniques Or artificial intelligence. We need to establish a reliable regulatory framework for reviewing these technologies While ensuring that they are adopted safely without introducing any unacceptable risks NRC has the major task of establishing the regulatory framework for the review and safe operation of advanced reactor designs The most prominent piece of this framework is the part 53 rulemaking NRC's current power reactor regulations were written for non light or for light water reactors rather So it makes sense to update those requirements to address different technologies New reactor designs have the potential to be even safer than existing designs We need to recognize the value of new safety attributes while maintaining a prudent degree of defense in depth over the course of multiple drafts and countless public meetings the NRC staff and many of you have been Grappling with a range of complex issues such as the appropriate performance standard the role of the Lara the facility safety program Framework be in micro reactors We've all discovered together that it isn't easy to create a risk-informed performance based Technology neutral framework that can work for molten salt reactors and high-temperature gas cooled reactors Micro reactors and gigawatt reactors The staff has also worked to shape the rule to accommodate applications in which probabilistic risk assessment Would play a leading role as well as applications where PRA would not be as central to this to the safety case I think it made sense for the staff to take the additional time to develop a more deterministic pathway option It's good to allow for different types of safety cases in the end I think everyone agrees that we need a rule that offers this kind of flexibility While including enough detail to avoid the problem of evaluating custom safety cases in a way that results in uncertainty About what NRC will find acceptable The Commission has begun reviewing and digesting the draft proposed rule and I look forward to hearing your views about it The part 53 rulemaking is extremely important. There are of course other pieces of the framework for new reactors Establishing a complete regulatory framework requires the Commission to resolve related policy issues The Commission recently addressed the question of how proximity to population centers should be considered in citing advanced reactors We will be looking at other key policy issues including emergency preparedness Security and the generic environmental impact statement for advanced reactors Many of the early mover applicant applicants are planning to use part 50 or part 52 because those regulations are already on the books There is another important rulemaking underway to get parts 50 and 52 better prepared for new reactor applications While keeping two distinct licensing processes that offer different advantages The rulemaking would more closely align the two regulations so that equivalent design applications submitted for NRC review Under part 50 or 52 would be assessed against consistent technical standards and would yield equivalent demonstrations of safety security and environmental protection In addition the rule were reflect lessons learned from previous licensed reviews in reactor construction projects For example the draft proposed rule currently before the Commission includes many lessons learned from the AP 1000 construction projects on topics like operator licensing Simulators fitness for duty and change processes these kinds of updates are going to improve parts 50 and 52 for near-term applicants Nonpower reactors will also play an expanding role in developing and demonstrating advanced reactor technologies The applications for Kairos's Hermes test reactor and Abilene Christian University's molten salt research reactor are already being reviewed By the NRC staff and future applications are expected Another draft final rule under Commission review is focused specifically on nonpower utilization facilities or NPUFs The two most significant regulatory changes in the draft final rule are linked The rule would eliminate license terms for research reactors while requiring all NPUF Licensees to submit final safety analysis report updates to NRC every five years under this approach Research reactors would no longer need to obtain renewed licenses every 20 years But would instead be required to regularly provide FSR updates to NRC. I Think this new approach will provide an overall safety benefit Over the years the NRC staff has found that the licensed renewal process for research reactors Has an identified significant aging management issues Periodic FSR updates submittals However should provide substantial safety benefits by ensuring timely licensee documentation of changes to the licensing basis of a facility This should improve the effectiveness of NRC inspections and licensee training and knowledge management The NRC staff has found that because NPUFs are frequently located at college campuses Staff turnover and limited staffing resources at an NPUF often contribute to a lack of historical knowledge of the development of the Licensees FSR and changes to the FSR the final rules requirement for regular FSR updates submittals will help maintain Continuity of knowledge for both the licensees and NRC If you're interested in hearing more about the licensing of nonpower advanced reactors Please join me for a session on moderating tomorrow at 3 30 p.m We have an impressive lineup of panelists from DOE NRC industry and academia should be a great discussion When we're talking about the potential of new technologies new nuclear technologies to help address climate change Fusion is now part of the conversation with recent Advances in the research and development of fusion energy systems now is the time to begin establishing a regulatory framework for this technology Although the precise contours of an operational fusion energy system are still being set There is broad technical agreement on the likely characteristics design characteristics and the potential hazards to consider Currently proposed fusion energy systems would not use uranium plutonium or thorium would not produce high-level waste Would not shut that would Would not present the possibility of a self-sustaining new neutron chain reaction and would shut down on their own during accident scenarios The NRC staff therefore expects that the safety focus of fusion energy systems will be on the control Confinement and shielding of radioactive material present at the site rather than on the performance and control of the device For these reasons the NRC staff agreement states International counterpart regulators and many other stakeholders believe that near-term fusion energy systems are more appropriately regulated under the part 30 byproduct material framework rather than the part 50 Utilization facility framework used for fission reactors. I agree a Byproduct material approach will involve a limited scope rulemaking that would mostly consist of definitions related to fusion energy systems In a description of what is required in a fusion application The rule could make changes to part 30 to facilitate fusion reviews or create a new standalone fusion sub part The remaining question is whether the rule should also establish decision criteria to determine whether larger higher hazard commercial fusion energy systems That differ from the characteristics of near-term facilities should be licensed under part 30 or part 50 The staff recommends this hybrid approach on the other hand There is widespread technical agreement that the near-term technologies of the coming years would more appropriately fit in the part 30 framework In my view a substantial drawback of the hybrid option is that it creates regulatory uncertainty for these near-term designs about whether they They could unexpectedly end up in the part 50 framework at the conclusion of the rulemaking This would dramatically impact the applicable regulatory requirements And even who is doing the regulating as agreement states could license fusion energy systems under part 30, but not part 50 Rather than have decision criteria as an open question in the limited scope rulemaking I think it'll be better to focus on what is needed to review near-term designs I therefore support regulating fusion energy systems under a byproduct material framework As you can see NRC is busy preparing the regulatory framework for new reactors of all types and Reviewing applications that have already been submitted and we need to be ready for much more new reactor work in the coming years At the same time and our C will continue to play our long-standing critical role with the current operating fleet For the operation of existing nuclear power plants now and into the future NRC's job is to provide strong safety and security standards and rigorous independent oversight This goes to the very core of the agency's mission I want to highlight a couple important issues related to the operating fleet this morning The first is subsequent license renewal which allows nuclear power plants to operate for up to 80 years As I said last year the review of subsequent license renewal applications has been and continues to be a High-priority for NRC to comply with the National Environmental Policy Act and ensure that subsequent license renewal decisions rest on a firm legal foundation It is essential that NRC update the generic environmental impact statement to examine the 60 to 80 year subsequent license renewal period The license renewal regulation must also be revised so that the guys findings can then apply to subsequent license renewal applications The Commission adopted an aggressive schedule to get this work done and excellent progress is being made The Commission recently approved publication of a proposed rule and accompanying draft Geis Which take the necessary steps so that NRC can move forward expeditiously with subsequent license renewal reviews The draft Geis also includes new analyses of greenhouse gas impacts on climate change and climate change impacts on environmental resources I look forward to reviewing stakeholder feedback on the proposed rule and draft Geis and appreciate the NRC staff's diligent work NRC is also focused on digital instrumentation and control technologies and the last few years the agency has made significant progress in Establishing a reliable and predictable regulatory framework for reviewing digital updates Upgrades while ensuring that digital technology is adopted safely Addressing the possibility of common cause failures in digital instrumentation and control systems has proven to be one of the trickier issues to resolve The staff recently proposed a way forward The staff recommended revising the Commission's 1993 policy on common cause failure in digital instrumentation and control to create a new risk informed option as an Alternative to the existing defense in depth and diversity assessment I agree with the advisory committee on reactor safeguards that this is a reasonable approach The staff's proposed changes to the policy will provide additional flexibility in demonstrating that common cause failure vulnerabilities have been Identified and addressed this paves the way for fully digital control rooms such as those included in the AP 1000 and new scale designs Another priority at the forefront of NRC's work is the pursuit of environmental justice Environmental justice is about the fair treatment and meaningful involvement of all people with an interest in NRC's vital public health and safety mission NRC can best serve the public when it ensures equal access to the agency's decision-making process for all stakeholders and avoids disproportionate adverse health and environmental impacts on any communities To make meaningful progress on these goals NRC must be open to the voices of disadvantaged communities We cannot settle for doing things the way they have always been done We need to ask tough questions about our programs and procedures to understand if they are serving disadvantaged communities Or instead creating barriers for them to overcome Beginning in April 2021 the NRC staff performed a systematic review of NRC's programs policies and activities The staff team engaged a broad range of stakeholders as it developed recommendations to improve how the agency pursues environmental justice This effort produced several constructive and well supported recommendations for strengthening NRC's focus on environmental justice Taken together with some additional steps I believe the recommendations will put NRC in a position to achieve significant tangible results on environmental justice The staff's first recommendation is to revise the Commission's policy statement on environmental justice I agree that a substantial revision is needed. The policy statement has not been updated since it was originally issued in 2004 at that time some stakeholders thought the approach announced by the policy statement was too narrow 19 years later the documents limitations are even more apparent as the NRC staff explains the language and tone are very legal in nature Discussing case law legal requirements and the limits of the NRC's authority During its outreach the staff heard both internally from NRC staff and externally from stakeholders that the EJ policy statement Does not use plain language and focuses too much on what the Commission cannot do instead of what it can do Similarly the staff recommends revising NRC's environmental justice strategy the 1995 strategy has never been updated. I Agree that the NRC staff should provide a proposed updated strategy for the Commission's review I also support the staff suggestion to revitalize the agency's environmental justice coordinator position, which has not been active for many years Filling this position will facilitate NRC's future participation in the White House Environmental Justice Interagency Council in attendance at White House Environmental Justice Advisory Committee meetings Another key recommendation is for NRC to establish a federal advisory committee for environmental justice I see this step is critical to implementing the agency's environmental justice initiatives a Representative advisory committee composed of external EJ professionals and community leaders Would help identify shape and provide advice from an informed outside perspective to the NRC and on EJ related programs policies and activities As the staff explained many comment here many commenters expressed frustration with not having a seat at the table Or with not being provided an opportunity or a way to provide meaningful input or participate in the NRC's decisions and affect regulatory outcomes In fact the desire for such an advisory committee was a repeating theme of the comments from a wide range of stakeholders I agree with the staff that we should follow other agencies in establishing a federal advisory committee focused on environmental justice I also agree with the other staff recommendations including adoption of a more comprehensive and robust outreach effort With a focus on identifying EJ communities and tribal nations earlier in the process Identifying the needs of these communities and initiating early communication such as offering further outreach or government-to-government Consultation with federally recognized tribes. This would involve new environmental justice outreach positions and improve procedures and guidance To build on these valuable efforts and make NRC's environmental justice aspirations a reality The agency should establish an office of tribal affairs environmental justice and public engagement This foundational step has been taken by other federal agencies. It was suggested by many commenters The office would provide information and assistance to stakeholders and help them navigate NRC's resources and processes NRC serves the public to fulfill its mission the agency must be equally accessible to all communities and provide the same level of protection to everyone I am confident that the agency's environmental justice initiatives will improve the way the agency operates and benefit all stakeholders As NRC does its work the agency is focused on its workforce. We're facing a significant hiring challenge We have a large number of employees who are eligible for retirement With higher employee attrition the agency's efforts on external hiring are crucial Significant external hiring is necessary for the agency to do the work We have in front of us now and to be ready for the work ahead of us in the future last fiscal year NRC recruited and brought 270 external hires into the agency's pipeline the aspiration Aspirational hiring goal for this fiscal year is 400 external hires Compared to the last several years. That is a lot of hiring. It is a formidable task But it presents a huge opportunity to boost our inclusion efforts by reaching a diverse pool of applicants and Welcoming people into the agency who bring a wide variety of backgrounds experiences and perspectives As you can tell we have a lot of work ahead of us And I'm excited about the opportunities to efficiently and effectively review new technologies to tackle climate change To promote environmental justice and to maintain a strong focus on protecting public health and safety I'm also enthusiastic about having face-to-face conversations to hear your thoughts and feedback I've had the chance to visit several plants in recent months I want to thank those of you who have hosted me at your sites as always I look forward to getting out to additional sites during the coming months with that I'm happy to answer your questions. Thank you as Punishment for stealing my papers Ray will have to stand with the questions That would be just fine. So we we have we'll get to as many questions as we can I think we'll start with the first one. You talked about Licensing new applications coming in licensing under part 50 and 52 also about what's going on with Part 53 You mentioned that near-term applicants For new non-light water reactors are using or planning to use part 50 or fifth part 52 For licensing given that why why even bother with part 53? Well, I think I think We have to think about this long-term and short-term right in the short term We have a couple tasks here We have near-term applications that are already coming in and many many more that are in pre-application We need to be ready for those and the regulations we have on the books are part 50 and 52 So we'll obviously be using those processes for those applications And as I refer to we have some efforts underway policy decisions that will be made this part 50 52 Alignment lessons learned rulemaking that I see is optimizing as much as possible those those parts for Advanced reactor new reactor applicants. So I think that's great But I think we also want to have something that's going to be more effective and efficient long-term, right? We have on the books now and part 50 and 52 regulations that were really premised on light water Reactor applications and so there's a lot of inefficiencies and basically going through all of the prescriptive requirements that we have in part 50 and Determining which would or would not apply to a particular reactor type of a different technology Getting to something that is more technology neutral and performance based I think therefore makes a lot of sense and so This does require us to to walk and chew gum and really walk chew gum and do something else Whatever the third thing might be because we have applications under review. We have the optimization of the Regulations we have right now part 50s and 50 and 2 and we've got to do this huge task Of getting the framework ready in part 53 But I do think it's worthwhile And as chair Hanson mentioned is as much efforts that has gone into this and as long as we've been working on part 53 We still have a ways to go and there's still a lot more engagement ahead of us It's just only recently come up with the commission We're working through it. There's a lot of a lot of issues to work through and figure out But even after all that we're going to be at a proposed rule stage and it's going to go out for formal public comment That's normally the first time we have stakeholders really engaging on a rule In this process we've had The luxury I guess of really having interaction throughout with just dozens of public meetings and drafts out there and You know, it's I'm optimistic about part 53. I'm optimistic that we're going to create a terrific product There's the reality that all the sausage making has been kind of out there for everyone to look at and there's a lot to to consider and a Lot of issues and everyone can find something they like everyone can find something they dislike So there's more to do there, but I think in the end that's good. That's an important piece of the puzzle I think having something that's going to be Ready for light water or non light water reactors advanced reactors But from the very beginning is premised on being technology neutral performance based risk-informed I think is going to add value to our The options we have and going forward. That's what we'll end up with we'll end up with Multiple options that applicants would have and they could choose the option. They want to pursue Okay Thank you Next question you to also talked about subsequent license renewal And I think this question is more on subsequent subsequent license renewal Can can reactors do you think reactors can operate safely for a hundred years or what changes would you? From your your standpoint be needed to to enable plants to operate for a hundred years Well, the short answer to that question is I don't know there would be a lot of technical a lot technical work That we need to be done. So in the in the run-up Just subsequent the first subsequent license renewal being considered the 60 to 80 year period There was a substantial amount of research and technical work that needed to be done over the years by licensees by DOE efforts By EPRI and so that built and by of course the energy staff that built the technical case For safety out to 80 years that work has not yet been done For a period of 80 to 100 Right now. I I'm focused on subsequent relays since renewal and 60 to 80. I think it's been astonishing to me That with the legislation that passed Congress how quickly that Really transformed the thinking I think about subsequent license rule There were obviously quite a few plants that were contemplating or interested in subsequent license renewal 60 to 80 Prior to the inflation reduction act after it. It's just an overwhelming amount of interest and From my point of view it's important for NRC to keep its eye on the ball here we're going to have a lot of applications coming in now in the next few years for subsequent license renewal and That's a that is a lot of work to do. It's a lot of work on the environmental side But hopefully with this guys, we won't have the situation where we'll need site specific Environmental reviews to the extent that we did Without it. So there's a lot of work to do. I want to make sure NRC is ready for that work I don't want a situation where we find ourselves in triage mode I want to be able to process Applications for as much demand as there is but it's very helpful for those of you who are Interested in in subsequent license renewal at utilities Please let us know as early as possible what your plans are because we want to make sure we have the resources ready the personnel ready To address those applications as they come in It's it's a pretty significant shift. I think in just a relatively short amount of time, but just how much Overwhelming interest there is in 60 to 80 Okay, thank you next question. What kind of investments do you think the NRC and the agreement state partners should begin making to start to accommodate? Licensing applications for fusion energy systems. Yeah, it's it's already started, right? I mean we have I shouldn't say we have there are private fusion companies around the country and And and because of the similarity of a lot of these near-term technologies Particle accelerators are already a lot of interactions between these these vendors And the agreement states where they where they are situated So I've been very impressed in my interactions with the agreement states Who are just at the forefront of a lot of thinking on this and a lot of the engagement? Whether it's California or Washington State, Wisconsin others there are Several agreement states that are already kind of the vanguard of thinking through these regulatory issues and that's going to be really valuable to us because as we do If the Commission decides to go ahead with a with a part 30 byproduct material framework and we go forward with a limited scope Rulemaking we're going to need those partners who have already been engaging with the various technologies and the Companies to help us work through That rulemaking I don't see it as something that's going to be an overly complex rulemaking as I as I mentioned My remarks. I think it's largely definitional and about what what it would need to be in an application So that it's kind of fine-tuned for fusion applications rather than the ones we've seen under part 30 historically But that's going to be valuable engagement and and we want to get that framework ready There's there's always questions about when are we going to need it is it it's too early I don't think so. I think I think now is the time and We may find ourselves surprised at just how quickly we start having Pre-application discussions or even applications filed with us or with agreement states Okay, thank you. This one's on SMRs. How do you see the security? priorities changing regarding the the deployment of SMRs and newer technologies versus the the large commercial light-water reactors we have now Yeah, well that that is one of the issues that we're all kind of delving into that's pending before the Commission is Security and I don't know that I fully know the answer now I think one one premise that we we all had and I hope we'll see is more security by design right this was one of the the ideas behind new reactor designs whether they're small modular or non-light-water reactor designs was would we see vendors Designers try to build the security into the design in a way that wasn't done for like large light-water reactors And I think that holds a lot of promise And part of our regulatory regime around security I think it's gonna have to account for that and And value that to the extent it's done and and to the extent it's not we're gonna have to think through the issues there We've just really started doing so on the Commission to start thinking through You know, what's an appropriate framework? It gets tough to me. I think one of the hardest things about some of these Pieces of the new reactor framework is not just the variation in designs, but variation in size, right? I mean, it's What you think about for security on a thousand megawatt reactor? It's gonna be very different if you're talking about a few megawatts and those are the kinds of Issues that we have to tackle and make sure we have a framework that fits the full range It's not always easy and security. I think it can be tricky in that regard, but we're working on it We don't have the answer yet, but it's it's on our important list of key policy issues to resolve Okay, we have time for one last question Great, and how do you propose that the agency attract native Americans to work at the agency to help with With this the potential new activities going on for the US NRC to be successful with native communities It helps to have people who represent native Americans culture I absolutely agree and you know that as we've seen a return to more hiring by the agency We're being more aggressive in terms of our outreach And thinking through what are the educational institutions? That are gonna we should be we should be tapping and accessing to give us the full range of a diverse pool of applicants And that definitely includes native Americans. I have a hope too that as we get more Engaged on environmental justice as we start doing more in that area as we improve our I think actually in recent years We've made a lot of strides in our Tribal engagement as we improve that even further And we do more of it and we engage more with communities I'm hopeful that too will bring us in contact with a lot of additional folks who may be interested in working here Because I agree with you. I think or the person asking the question That that that's a real value for the agency As chair Hansen said earlier, you know when you just have a diversity of backgrounds of opinion of experience, that's what you want In a safety regulator and the and the staff of a safety regulator You want people with a questioning attitude you want people bringing a new perspective to these tough issues We're all trying to tackle and in whether it's native Americans or other groups segments of of The population we want to make sure we're just bringing as much of that in for diverse Opinions and experiences and backgrounds as we can Okay. Well, thank you commissioner bearer for taking the questions and With that I'll close this session. We have a little bit of time for a stretch break But we're gonna get started promptly at 11 with commissioner rights remarks. So thank you again. Thanks everyone


Welcome to American Issues Take One. I'm Tim Hapuchel, your host. Today's title is Nikki Haley, Gather Support and Money. Major announcement made by the Americans for Prosperity Action Committee. And that is the Koch Brothers established PAC, some call it dark money PAC, that has gotten off the sidelines and is in full support of Nikki Haley as a candidate to replace Donald Trump for the 2024 GOP nomination. A major event and we're gonna discuss the details of that with my co-host, Jay Fidel, and our special esteemed guest, Chuck Crumpton. Gentlemen, good morning. Morning, Tim. Morning, Chuck. Tim, Tim, Jay. Yeah. You run out of esteem. No, we won't. We may run out of rain today, but we won't run out of esteem. Hey, Jay, this is a major announcement that I think puts a lot of wind in Nikki Haley's sale. This organization, AFP, Americans for Prosperity, is a group that has over $70 million in it. That's quite a war chest for a politician that has been doing some better numbers in the polling and is inching up. And it's a real boost for Nikki Haley. It's a detraction for Ron DeSantis because they were formally supporting him and now they're not. Jay, your thoughts about AFP and this announcement that Nikki Haley is their anointed one. You know, it's more than just the money. It's the financial leadership. Like when you have an investment and a lead investor steps up, all the other investors follow the lead investor. So whatever the lead investor is gonna invest is only a fraction of what the company will get because of that phenomenon. And I think it's the same here. There's $70 million a lot of money, but it's gonna be much more than that when you get finished with all the people following. Furthermore, my reaction is, she's a pretty good candidate as far as the Republicans are concerned.  And she's got the money. It's actually for them, it's a good break because otherwise I think they were stuck in the notion that Trump was the one, the only one and that no one would really contend with him. I think this means that somebody will contend with him and possibly even beat him. It also shows DeSantis that he's really not gonna make it. He's done. So the question to me is not only whether Nikki Haley will be able to form up a good competition to Trump with the nomination, but whether she could possibly beat Joe Biden. She's got baggage and not as much baggage as Trump or DeSantis, but it's Republican baggage. It's not a surprise baggage. And in some ways it's even moderate. I mean, I wouldn't vote for her, but in some ways it's even moderate. And this is refreshing in a larger picture because she will not be a crazy candidate. So I think the Koch brothers, Charles Koch, I think they've done her a favor, but I think they've done the Republican party a favor and maybe even the country. Well, that's the operative point is the country. If you're concerned about the preservation of democracy in this country, certainly the rule of law that goes with that, your concern is that anyone that is palatable other than Donald Trump. And does that message appeal to the independence and the moderates in the GOP party? Or possibly those Democrats, believe it or not, that are not happy with Joe Biden. Does Nikki Haley have that air of appeal for all three categories? Yeah, I think she does. The only question is the degree, how many? How many voters can she eat off the margins? And maybe some, maybe some, maybe enough to make a difference. I mean, after all, she's got a position and not so bad. There was a piece in the, I think it was the Washington post listing all her positions. And to a moderate Republican, they might appeal. And that means a lot. And I think two people who are willing to give money, the Koch brothers' contribution is gonna mean a lot. And Trump is getting wilder and crazier and all his Berman talk is really gotta be hurting him with at least some of his space. So as I said, I think it's good news and it may be bad news for Joe Biden. Okay, thank you, Jay. Hey Chuck, do you agree with what Jay just said? That this is good news for Nikki Haley and good news for those moderates and or and or independents that do care about our constitution and our democracy and find Trump completely not to be tolerated. Is this a safe avenue with Nikki Haley? Yeah, and it's always good to see Jay back to his consistently brilliant self and insightful self. I do it for you, Chuck. Well, that's that I never did it for me. That works for me. So I do want to correct one thing as I think because... I'll do some of it for you, Chuck. In acronyms, you're not supposed to use the preposition or the article, right? So the original name of that organization as a conservative Republican, you know, the rest of it, right? The acronym is much more accurate. I follow you. Okay, but what Jay's hit on, which is probably the most important thing, is this is another, not the first, not the last, but another really important indication that there is a real and growing portion of Republicans that are not with Trump, that are recognizing, hey, this guy's lost three years in a row, the risk of him losing is too great and the risk of what happens even if he wins is too great. We need an alternative. And the funding for that, the people with that is clearly growing. It's not reflecting the polls because they're not looking for that. But the third factor I think that's really important here is that because that element of choice has now been raised for the first time with any real backing, real money, real support, you may start to see increasing divisions, increasing people who are willing to stand up on the Republican side and say, you know what, we should support Ukraine. You know what, we should keep the budget and keep the deficit to allow the economy to proceed. We should not crash it just over. And we should stop this nonsense of disabling our military leadership because one guy wants an abortion policy in the military that's not gonna happen. So all of those things I think are signs that over on the Republican side of the fence, although it's still a very ineffectual minority, it's real, it's growing and it's funded. And that has to give Trump pause. Now the question is what has to happen to continue to feed that growth, to make it effective before the primaries paint an irreversible picture of the Republican nomination? That's- You know, Iowa caucus is a mere seven weeks away, I believe. And although this data is a little old, it's October 30th from the Des Moines Register and the NBC poll in Des Moines in Iowa, had Trump at 43%, Nikki Haley at 16%, Ron DeSantis at 16%. Moving forward, isn't it crucial or not crucial that some of these candidates drop out and those numbers start to coalesce around Nikki Haley? How important is that? I think Chris Christie said he's in for the long haul, but probably DeSantis will probably be in as well, but what about the other candidates that are out there and how important is it for them to either throw their support behind someone who can take on Trump or throw their support behind Trump? Well, it's a great question because the question for those guys is do they wanna risk a chance at getting to be Trump's vice president or are they willing to take a shot at actually engineering directional momentum change in the Republican Party in which they might have a chance to become Nikki Haley's vice president? Well, that's to be the choice. I mean, for me, that's an easy choice. Well, if you're one of those candidates, they're probably going, oh, shoot, Shucks. Looks like Tucker Carlson has the vote. Oh, God. Let me add something to what Shucks said. I mean, really, you took the words out of my mouth on the whole issue of this reflects a kind of fracture in what seemed only a week or two ago would be a clear direction for Trump's nomination. Now it's not so clear. There's another sheriff in town. And of course, there's a couple of questions on whether she can actually do it between now and the time of those primaries. But I'd like to add one point to what you said. It also indicates that maybe just as a lead investor like the Koch brothers would bring other investors, if Haley emerged as the candidate, I think it would change the complexion of the country on the congressional races around the country. It would say, well, maybe we ought to look for rationality here. Maybe we're on a new wave. We are not only gonna favor somebody else over Trump, we're gonna favor somebody else over the Trumpers. And maybe we'll have more moderate wins in other Republican primaries and elections over the next year. So I think it has a double effect. Koch brothers and her emergence over the past week or two seems to me will also have an effect on all the congressional races. And we'll see different dynamic because of it. Could you envision Democrats contributing to her campaign financially? That's a really interesting question because there are Democrats who are with Biden in name only, who increasing the question his competence and age and leadership. And maybe they would think she's a better bet to go further on Schuck's point. She favors aid to Ukraine and she favors aid to Israel. And that's unambiguous. So she may be offering something to a lot of people, including Democrats who would wanna follow that lead. It also depends, I mean, this is all a moving target. It's a moving target as far as Trump is concerned, it's a moving target as far as Haley is concerned. It's a moving target as far as Biden is concerned. Anything can happen any day to change the calculus. I don't think it's a moving target for DeSantis. And as much as I appreciate Chris Christie and his rhetoric, I think he's out. So really the question is whether the country, the Republican party, as you say to him, some Democrats even would get behind Haley. And I was gonna say, one of the dynamics in play, which we have to watch is like, her advisors must be rubbing their hands with the possibility and saying, how can we get her over the hurdle here? How can we get her into first place? We have to watch everything she says, everything she does. We have to package and repackage her on every issue. And there are inconsistencies as reported in the post, between things she said on one occasion and things she said on the other. And get rid of those inconsistencies and develop a platform which actually could bring along some, what do you wanna call it, marginal Democrats. So the answer to your question is, I think it's entirely possible if she doesn't write. And I'd love to be, and not that I would ever, ever do this for a Republican, but I'd love to be on her advisory committee because I think there are tremendous options for her to actually repackage or package her positions so that they appeal to a wider spectrum of voters.  Stephen Chow, he is the spokesperson for Donald Trump's campaign, 2024 campaign. And he's responded quite quickly to the support from AFP. And he said, there are the political arm of China. First of, China first, American last movement. He has chosen to endorse a pro-China, open borders and globalist candidate, Nikki Birdbrain Haley. Does that sound like Donald Trump or does that sound like a spokesperson came up with that all on their own? Rhetorical question and a good one, right? Because one of the questions that Nikki Haley raises, it's an inference from the brilliant points that Jay has just covered, is are Republicans going to be receptive to the potential first Republican president in this century that can actually speak intelligible English? That's a challenge. That is a challenge. And reason. And she does quite well actually, from what I've seen her do on the debate stage and in interviews, she's well spoken. Haley Trump debates would be worth watching. It's the only Trump debate that would be, but it would be. Well, let me say that she's very presentable. She knows how to walk, talk and present herself well. She's a woman, that's a disability. I think it's probably a disability that she's not white. That's the way it goes. And it's a reflection of our demography. And I think her time in the United Nations makes her a globally aware person. I don't know if that really matters to a lot of the electorate, but it matters to me that she has global awareness. And she's taken positions, which I would agree with in the United Nations as the United Nations ambassador, delegate representative, whatever it is. So I think she has some real positive points. And I think she knows government. After all, she was governor for several years in South Carolina. She knows government from the inside of the United Nations representation. And she's not naive. In other words, Chuck, if you put her up there on a stage with Trump, he's not gonna be able to walk on her. She can respond to him. She's tough.  And she's under 75. That's a big plus. Yes, young, vital, all that, all that. And it didn't hurt that Hillary Clinton kind of broke the glass ceiling on being a serious candidate for President of the United States. I think had that not been the case, that might be more of an uphill push for Nikki Haley as the prospective first female president in our country. But go ahead. I'd like to ask you guys, put her up on that stage. Put her in contention with Trump. What does he do? You're right. He goes after the men, not the women. But in this case, you have to ask whether he's gonna go after her as the primary opponent. And if so, what is he gonna call her birdbrain too? It's hard to find something to pry up under her that would resonate with the electorate. It's hard to call her names, but that is his default position. That's what he always does. He comes up with his name. But not with women. He does not do that with women. He may have to. Well, but look at all of his press conferences and what happened in exchanges with strong progressive women, independent women. He fled. He'd literally fled. He didn't fled with Hillary Clinton. No, no, but that wasn't a press conference. I'm talking about where he was fielding pointed serious questions and wouldn't answer that. And they challenged him on that. And then he tried to switch to another person. They said, hey, answer her question first. And then he fled. Not once, not twice, but multiple times he fled exchanges with women, independent press. Okay, so what does he do? What does he do? He's gonna do something. He's gonna do something nasty. He's gonna try to find some dirt on her. He will not debate with her. Trump will not debate with. He doesn't wanna debate with anyone. He doesn't have to debate to be nasty. He can do it all by himself at his rallies. He can call her names. He can find something on her to play with and paint her as a negative person. I guess that's what he will do. And I agree with you. He's not gonna be on the stage with her. It's too dangerous. But that doesn't mean he can't call her names. He's been very successful at calling people names.  That's what he does.  For two reasons. One, she's strong, independent, more articulate, more intelligent than he is, and we all know that. And number two, women are already galvanized against Trump. He takes credit for having taken away their right to make reproductive rights decisions for themselves. She has a mixed bag in that position. Trump? No, Haley has a mixed position. If you look through the various expressions of policy that she's made, she sort of switches from one to the other. Yeah, but it's Trump that people, he commands people's attention. He wants the spotlight and he thinks he shines in it. But if he uses it to attack a woman, I guarantee you that will not go well for him. Let me ask you this, Chuck. Do you trigger that? Does she get- He's one of the primaries. Does she become more aggressive in criticism of Donald Trump? Or does she live that up to Chris Christie to act as her foil? No, she says and does stuff that she knows will provoke him. Because he has no self-restraint. He has no- He's a narcissist. They can't control their behavior because they don't want to and they believe it works for them. Their behavior is exactly what Jay said. It is attacking others.  He has so far at least started to listen to people who say cut that stuff out. But I'm sure she can trigger him. I'm sure she can push his buttons. Well, there's two sides to it. One is she cannot be provoked. All the name-calling in the world she should not run and she won't respond to that. She'd be classy. She'd be elegant compared to him. The second thing is that she would let him fall on his own sword. If I were on her committee, that's what I would tell her. Just let him fall on his own sword. He's doing a great job at that.  I think that's what she will do. And that will work. That will work and it'll make him look like he's misogynist, which is exactly what he is. But I'd like to ask another question, Tim. And really quick before you do that, I think that really deserves the emphasis. Trump does do that with women underlings. He attacks judges clerks. He attacks Cassidy. He attacks women underlings that he regards as inferior beings and he can get away with that with. That has not gone well from either. So please proceed here with your question. Well, I was thinking what is the potentially optimistic view here is that she takes the nomination. She takes it using good thoughtful positions on policy. And she deals with Trump and he fails against her. And to Santas and Christie and whatever else, they all go away because she's the strongest. And I think the press means so much, Tim. To your concern about the press always, I think the press, as we are getting behind her, as the Koch brothers are getting behind her, and the press will is already elevating her. So she stands a chance of getting the nomination against Trump as a reasonable. The question then is if she gets the nomination and it's Haley V. Biden, what happens then? Where does it look? Well, there's another thing that is the corollary to that, which is if she were to get the nomination and win, the far right mega power in the House and in the party is not going to survive. She's not going to allow room for that. She's a strong, independent, progressive woman. She knows that has no place in this household. You, out in the yard, watch. Well, that's a great point, Chuck. What does the mega GOP do if she supplants Donald Trump as the nominee in 2024? Do they go berserk like we all fear that they would? Do we have violence in the street, or do they just lick their wounds and go away and go under the rock in which they came from? Well, it's a clear, easy choice for them. They have to stick with Trump because he's all they've got. Once you stick with Trump, he is all you've got. Nothing else is available because no one else will touch him other than his devotees. But if she wins the nomination, if she becomes the candidate for president, all the Republicans will see that there's no mileage in fighting with that. There's no mileage in backing Trump when Haley got the nomination. And I think they will turn to support her. And the Freedom Caucus and all those nutcases in Congress, they will have no choice but to support her. Where else are they? They're out to dry. They're abandoned. They're in the desert. Without Trump, they have to support Haley as the nominee. So the question is, will the alliances to do that take place in sufficient strength and numbers during and before the nomination, during the primaries and before the nomination, to enable her to get that nomination? That's the question. You know, I'm reminded, Grige, you and I did a show actually the day of when we both called Joe Biden out back in, you know, back in 2020. We said, or 2019, we said, he's out. He's done. He's flambéed. He's not going to be the nominee for the Democratic nomination. It was Jim Clyburn that brought him back to life. And then the next day, well, in South Carolina, he prevailed. And then the next day, it's Super Tuesday, he prevailed in all those events. So it doesn't take much. I mean, I've never seen that in political history such a turnaround that Joe Biden had and thanks to Jim Clyburn. At what point do we know that Nikki Haley is on her way? What if she does poorly in Iowa and she does poorly in New Hampshire? Is it South Carolina, which is the dividing line of what she's a go or no go? That's her home state. And I apologize because I'm going to have to jump in a minute. But she has to do two things. She has to isolate Trump and his supporters because they don't have the numbers to win without the independence and the others. They're not even close. 30%, 40%, but not even close. The second thing she has to do is she has to focus and center on that. The choice between her and Trump going forward. If she does that. I know that you have to leave. So do you have your last thoughts before you depart? That was it. That was it. OK. If Nikki Haley can isolate Trump, if she can be a strong independent woman and stand up to him as only strong independent woman women can successfully do, she can present a candidate to the American people that probably is likely to win if she gets the nomination. I think so. OK. Thanks, Chuck. Thanks for coming on. Our special esteemed guest, Chuck Crumpton. Thank you, Chuck. Take care. Thank you, Chuck. Jay, I'm optimistic. For the first time, there is a possibility that Donald Trump may not be the 2024 nominee. And if he's not, I think the threat of losing our democracy and a rule of law in this country, that dissipates rapidly. And I'm not in line with Nikki Haley's policies, but it's a palatable alternative to the loss of one's democracy, a 250-year experiment that's been going on pretty well, has some bumps and bruises along the way. But that's the system we've gotten. It's worked quite well. And I feel optimistic that if she is the nominee 2024 for the GOP, that we may be able to do just that, preserve the republic and democracy as we know it. Yeah, that possibility really strikes me as I was interested in your views about it. Because A, if I'm a Democrat, I can feel the optimism. I can feel it. Because we have assumed over the past few months that Trump recently was the candidate and would be a strong runner for president in November. But this changes the views of Democrats in similar situations. And I believe it also changes the views of Republicans who are more moderate. They can also feel optimistic. And that suggests a kind of snowball effect. So you have the Koch brothers. You have her credentials, which are good. And the moderate quality of her positions, the Republican moderate, but moderate nevertheless. And that makes you feel somewhat optimistic. And then the question is, who else gets on the snowball? And I think there will be people announcing, Republicans announcing support for her. I'm just predicting, and maybe I'm over optimistic about this, that we'll see more of that. And the question is whether the hard-nosed right-wing crowd will turn and support her. If they see that she's a likely success, they'd rather have her than a Democrat, right? If they feel she's a winner, they're going to get behind her. And if that starts happening, that will be more snowball and change the calculus. They may not do that because they are so hard-nosed. But I think there's at least a logical possibility of it. And to your point about democracy and voting rights and the like, Trump has established, through sinister means, all these plots and devices to turn the election over in 2024, do the same thing more successfully than he tried to do in 2020. And so you have various Republican states which have done voting suppression legislation and gerrymandering and the like. And you have his basic insurrectionist plot and crowd where he will deny losing and try to force himself despite the popular vote. And all those things are in place now. And those things are his kit bag, all his inventory of tricks and devices. But if she gets the nomination, all of that goes away. Nobody is going to be interested in suppressing votes. Nobody is going to be interested in turning the election over with insurrections and the like. The whole thing just washes away. And we have a much more, I mean, sure there'll be problems hither and yon, but it's a much, it's a likelihood of a much more fair election in 2024. And that would be a great relief for Democrats and moderate Republicans. So we have to watch the snowball, Tim. Yeah, and I suspect we're going to be talking about Nikki Haley in many shows to come. You know, at some point, maybe we need to get a historian that focuses on presidential elections and opine whether or not how often Democrats are secretly hoping for a GOP candidate. I don't know if it's ever been done before, but there's a lot of things that have never been done before in the last seven years. True. A young and diverse woman with real credentials and experience in government. It all sounds pretty attractive. And she's got the vitality maybe that we have been missing in Biden. And she's got the international awareness and the strength of position and character on international issues. And that maybe just maybe, I don't have a real view of this yet, but maybe just maybe she would be stronger on the world stage. And I would welcome that. Yeah, well, not to put you on the spot, but that's what I'm going to do to my co-host, my partner. And that is earlier in the show, you said you'd like to be an advisor on Nikki Haley's advisory committee. So here's a question between now and whether or not she becomes the nominee for the GOP, does she take issue with Donald Trump's fascist rhetoric? Does she put a spotlight on his tendencies to overthrow free and fair elections and his position on retribution and hollowing out key law enforcement agencies, the DOJ, the FBI? Does she put a spotlight on that? Or is that something that's going to detract from support from other voters? I don't think a lot of voters actually support Trump's positions and his rhetoric on that. So if I were advising her, I would say, just state your own position. And you may say other candidates may have other views, but this is my view. And I think that's where she's tending to anyway. And as I said before, let him fall on his own sword. I would not have a big argument and everything with him. And I certainly would not call him names. I would really say, you have that candidate and then you have me. This is the, these are my positions. And I think that will really, that will respond to any snowball effect and it would increase the snowball effect. The problem, I don't know if there's been any press about this, the problem is at some point if she sees that she might be vice president, vice presidential candidate under him, she probably wants to hold back and maybe support him more, not less. But I think she has the strength of character not to be compromised that way. And I think she's in a position in the continuum here where she wouldn't be compromised that way. So I'm not too concerned about it. If she compromised in order to become a vice presidential candidate under him, I would be extremely disappointed. And you would too, and everybody that I know would be disappointed because it would be, she was compromising to a madman. Good point. And like we've seen in the past, many vice presidents are put in the corner and never to be heard from again, more or less. Right. And that's probably would be her fate. Interesting discussion, fascinating discussion. Jay, last thoughts before we conclude. As you said, this is something that we might be encouraged about. We're in an interesting position because ordinarily we extoll the virtues of democratic candidates in various races. But here we are extolling the virtues of Nikki Haley as someone, anyone who would run against Trump. So she might win. Who knows? She may be our next president if she gets that nomination. And that's so much less threatening than Trump's nomination and the possibility that Trump may win, which would be the end of our world. Our world and the world in general. So if you had to pick, if you as a Democrat or one who supports Democrat, Democratic candidates had to pick between Haley and Trump, there's no question about it. She has a much better possibility than let the voters decide. Great points. Thank you, Jay, as always. Thank you for being on American Issues, Take One. I think that we're gonna hear more about Nikki Haley as time evolves. And I'm with you. I think she's a palatable alternative and I wish her all the luck in the world. So with that being said, why don't you join us next week? I'm Tim Apachele, your host. And again, American Issues, Take One. We'll see you next week. And until then, aloha.