You're alive It's rags the that's that's a that's a weird assumption for you to make Is rags the purpose of telling me about the other? It you cut out like twice there. What yeah, I saw that weird Um Jay is rags the person you were telling me about the other day warning you about Yeah, you should you should give a warning You're gonna watch you're saying you're saying you had a friend We were like, oh, he's conservative and I was like an example of how And we came to the conclusion that you just makes edgy jokes and you don't actually know if he's conservative or not Oh Okay, well, I know I'm curious what you're talking about Oh, that's definitely Mahler Mahler is now against a marriage. Yes, it is. Mahler constantly Not talking about the pride of the straight I'm going to that one thing of if Mahler's channel is not only right wing, but partisan right wing. He's a writer or than I am Remarkable Republican I talk a lot about I Retweeted I quote tweeted. I found some random person through something That oh it was a cynical CJ One of his tweets and some random person whose entire account was dedicated to hating Mahler was there and was like Oh, I wouldn't anticipate someone who associates with the likes of Mahler's. No far, right? And I quote to it.  You were not lying when you said this smaller The other week We are I am pretty right leaning. Yes, pretty What's the more extreme than leaning? I'm right stomping. I am right. You're right. You've you're right fallen You've just fallen over Stumbling you lost your balance right fallen left fallen strong strongly stumbling to the right. I think it was Exaggerated right. I've been I've been defenstrated I guess I threw the over to window to my left so that I would then be on the right Dude, that's a really really good rap lyric and that's somewhere. Just like Winder that's a I'll do it. I freestyle Constipation Elaboration Wow, I like it. Oh, you're just doing what's that song? Where it's titillation Um It's a Papa Roach Remember Papa Roach when he was he had like one song that everyone had on their iPod Nano I don't remember that.  Yeah That's a gist only loads of stuff was going on before The other day a 13 year old girl Unironically told me that she can't she was part of the group of people cancelling some content creator Because they were a gist And I was like just blown aback because I'd never heard someone unironically say that I've only heard someone mention it in like Oh, I'm sorry able. It's not a just able Oh, was it sia or something? No, sia got no, but then she differently abled But then she continued to say well, I didn't actually watching content I just like i'm canceling them, but I like this like I just enjoy canceling people. I'm just psychopath, you know Well, she's 13. I don't I don't know how like informed into the decision. She's 13 year olds can be psychopath Yeah, that's a that's the age of psychopath. Everyone's a psychopath at 13, I think Yeah, I would agree especially girls Sexism my first job we're live, right?   They are out there to Annihilate one another. They are the roughest Cuff is smooth.    Um, but they used to play volleyball and I'd go And they're older just They're they're oh man They're oh watch out for those little girls, man.  Oh, would they like like hit people in their shins and stuff?  Oh my god. Nice and guns. Think of the koojies It was it was fun job though. Hmm. Hey It was a game would be like an hour and you'd get like 20 bucks for it Oh, so bad. Yeah, you get to watch your game, right?   You could buy a channel we live on right now Is it moller or mooller? mooller mumbler Mooper Remarkable republican Secret alt channel I still Like what if you and quinton reviews were the same person playing like different sides of the field I wouldn't be doing that great would I with the alter ego? It would be like, why do you make him so ridiculous?  I think he's given up anyway I'm sad. I know Sad indeed. Also, welcome to e-fap one one one It's one eleven. I don't know if we're supposed to do something special for one one one. Does that's like is that Um, we got six people Um six six one one when you get to e-fap number nine hundred and eleven that you can do something special for your american audience Oh He's so excited.  I'm sure we'll we'll have to cover a review of like Wait, spider-man two that that to be altered in its marketing because of 9 11, right? 9 11 Lilo and stitch. Oh, that's another one. There's a couple whenever you're just I know of I didn't know spider I think there was um The promotional image of spider-man like on the two towers or something Uh And they were like, uh-oh acts that I remember that yeah, I think I think the twin towers are in spider-man two actually like the video Oh people saying is spider-man one not two Oh, oh, okay Am I am I wrong in thinking that the psp? uh, super beloved uh, spider-man two game is Uh, has the twin towers in it because I remember like I think jumping off them Oh, no Remlazar had the twin towers.  You got memes. I didn't even You can cover two terrible videos and one in a field in Pennsylvania And one in the Pentagon, I guess he forgot about that. Yeah, we have to yeah Hmm If anyone sees this meme and they're like, huh, that means you're not a true e-fap watcher And you've not seen e-fap gaming 11 or 12. I can't remember what it was. I think it was 11 That's great It all makes sense under under context we've gotten so limited in in the creation of characters in the e-fap lore now That three lines is a character to His name is Lines then just are they vertical or horizontal? Uh, two of it It's horizontal two are vertical ish. Yeah I would call horizontal like left to right lines and vertical up to down lines You can see him. There's a picture of him on that meme. Yeah, let's write that gene use the second image That's gene. Which which meme? The bottom he's the king In the chat He is uh, what is what's the mob to a king? He's the king Oh, it's like the hangman uh thing Or is it more like a staple like is it meant to for one line to be longer than the other or no? Oh, definitely Um, also everything you see was meant to be that way whether it's seven or table in chat. Apparently that carry a lot of people Yeah, a lot of people are typing the Japanese character. Wah in chat. It does kind of look like that Are they crying? What? It's like wah The the the Japanese character for w a the sound wah That's the cry I guess you could read like Crying lips Luigi's first name Well, Luigi Mario Hey, should I get uh, spider-man 2 the video game should I get that on what is it?  I have a ps4. There's a spider-man 2 on ps4 Yeah, just came out. Yeah, it's available for ps4. I think that's uh, last morales one. Yeah, that's like an expansion or something I think yeah, that's an expansion for the other one and that was the thing the uh, cosmonaut said if people are already assuming it's an expansion because like they're racist that it's about a black person So of course it's not a full game. It's like what? No, no, I just googled it you can it is absolutely uh a ps4 game No, it is a dlc, but it's a dlc for the Only 50 bucks not 60. That's pretty interesting You can pay extra to get like that. I'm the new the older game in one package.  The dlc for the original is 30 bucks But it wasn't about black people so um, also Yeah, one one one Welcome and and we should probably get we got two new bloods here Disgusting horrible new bloods first on the left is mr. Capital. Oh opinions. Hello. How do you know how they do? We've seen we've seen so many videos on here before where you make fun of People rudely for having their own opinions and you can't handle that so we're here to condemn you for that. What's wrong with you? I'm not hearing a lot of condonation. That just sounds like a Question. So why are you ruining things? Why do you have to be so mean is my point? Like you're like, oh, look at standards Yeah What's that about like like why do you have standards? Okay? He's ruining things because you have standards That's objective. Look only bigotep standards. Okay I've some people like we should cover your video on uh hillhouse and rip it to shreds quote-unquote and I was like Oh, but I agree with some of it Finally Yeah, you can find like two hour discussion between us about that on metal's YouTube channel now. I think it would be there somewhere. It's gonna be hard to find unless he's labeled it, but Out of war part two or something out of what two part two maybe That might be it. I think that probably is it It's the one with us all in it. Yeah, it's the one where we're all in it and just having to chill In fact, that was the episode where we were like, hey, you guys want to come on. You felt you know, okay It was uh, it was an event But yeah, thanks for having me.  Uh, I even call me Jamie that Jamie it is And our second new blood Is uh a guy who has apparently Been transferred from history. He's looking pretty old there with his little suit and his beard then again International Yeah, if I was to take this seriously then I guess, you know, it's pretty crazy that we have rodry But alive and well in this coal as well. So time travelers all over the place But uh medium d speaks. How do you do sir welcome? Uh, hi, thank you for having me. I'm uh pretty good. Do you have a medium? It's not a big You don't want to you don't want to say it's a lodge or small you want to stick to medium Yeah, no, I it's it's it's sort of a three fold joke. But yeah, how does it? Yeah, one of the three folds Okay, so First of all like I uh I talk about hip hop a lot uh in in my videos a topic. I've always liked a freestyle since high school I wouldn't consider myself a rapper by any means. It's just like a thing that I do for fun I don't put on any music or anything, but every rapper is sort of like, you know, like lil something or big something He's never been like a rapper that's like, oh i'm medium Just uh pump or medium skies or something.  My name's daniel. So d medium d Um, and then the the third fold would be a statement Yeah, well, the third would be I make videos about media Uh, hey, so medium mediums of expression media Mm-hmm. It's sort of a three fold thing. Hmm. I only counted two folds, but that's okay Do you get concerned that people might picture the folds of like a fat person when you say that? No, not until right now Well, that's that's a warning for your future Medium folds. I suppose it could don't have to be fat. They could just be really old and the skin is just folding around I wouldn't want to take that away from old people Or they could be like used to be fat and lost a bunch of weight That too. It could be young and thin and yet have folds Did you see where fold?  Okay. Don't assume someone's folds Imagine if you get fat enough A person will come out of you like because you've that's just how it works Like once you're fat enough you will just be you'll you'll separate into two beings That'd be really creepy Oh, I think so too, but the second is like the size of a fist so I don't really buy it And it's like the prestige they both see each other. They both know if they kill the other They get the rights of the human that they both previously occupied. So they immediately fight I feel highly there was born Yeah, I don't even make sense. I'd say from a dna perspective, right like with all we know I think that's the way it would probably go Yeah, uh, does that mean we bob might have other moviebob's out there? Um, I think And he snapped off like He's like the anomaly he like consumes that second when it's about to like become another person It just sort of reinvigorates him and he becomes bigger It's like the idea that moviebob is He's like a sponge.  He's just sort of a You know a sub part other stuff A worse moviebob I think he's better than a moviebob So I know that like people like quinton obviously has an audience But like I feel like nobody that is That would be considered like contemporary or like any form of content creator I've never heard anyone be like, yeah, I respect quinton reviews I've never heard of that either never heard of that either Yeah, he's a sad boy Has quinton reviews ever posted like a picture of himself with someone else for you know, I'll you know as a hypothetical Uh, I think quinton reviews ever had like a selfie with someone he admired who was maybe yes May or may not And the woman may have said I don't like you anymore. Get away from me. You creepo or something like that Is there something even better that I saw happen in person and was amazing Awesome Oh, yeah, also Just just because of how much this has already been I was gonna say I gotta gotta make sure I introduce everyone, right? We've also got literature devil making a low turn here And uh, and j. Hello j and literature tell how you both doing? Oh, I'm doing fantastic. Yay Jay you have a camera over here doesn't rock it in a room then Jay you unhappy you haven't said anything I'm hungry and I have to go staying.  You don't go to a store and buy them. Jay does not Are you like 80 years old? Jay do you have life alert?  You have a lot of show. There's a lot of shopping baskets at the shop Yeah, they have those The service that they provide I think you don't need an underlying criticism of laziness. I'm smelling it the groceries Should I also mention that it like it's a physical pain for me to walk because I need surgery on my foot Yeah, well, they have those little carts that old you're really You're not helping this argument you're 80 years old You're you're not doing a lot of favors to this idea that you're 80 Oh my gams they heard I've just aged well if you're 80 years old and you still haven't seen lord of the rings That's even more disappointing I've seen lord of the rings Wait, how do you not know that? You can have met fulkin Has Jay been lying to his cast of r as he's been not letting them know he hasn't seen lord of the rings We don't get media on that channel. We do like just shit posting on that channel If you just added up all the time that you spent at home not going to get groceries You could easily watch those movies. That is true Yeah, probably Oh Just want to iterate I I'm not a white person. So I am going to sign off on any racism That anyone wants to claim for these people It's not But your picture is that of a white person Well, no, I I altered the pigmentation to be brown. I don't know notice you I can show you the original picture Sure. Yeah, because he looks pretty white That's racist rakes I would say the same thing But uh, I don't know the media has said that I am either black or or brown or some or POC or something I don't know. It's been revoked and re-granted to me several times over. So I don't know where I stand I think it's like depends on the day of the week. So I don't know Yeah, I don't know.  My skin's a little bit Than that uh on the avatar, but you can't identify with alexander hamilton unless he looks just like you Yeah, that's how it works. Oh my goodness. Yeah It doesn't look like me but his character does not look like me. I can't I can empathize it with him because I'm That's that's how we can tell what the race some people are if you do empathize them That means they are your skin color meaning satan must be white because I The white devil I mean, you know, would you have to you would you have to really at that point mention that? Little redundant, isn't it?  I've been reminded so Jamie, which do you think is better?  I've never said that being fury or halloween sucks That's It's all right It's fine It's fine christmas is worse. Yeah, the answer is christmas christmas is the better Um medium d speaks Which do you believe is better? I'd say christmas. Yeah another loss Do I need to substantiate why or just like can I just you can say if you want to I mean Okay, so you get like sure on halloween you could say you get presents because you get candy But you have to trigger treat to get candy and there's sort of an age limit on that that's sort of an ageist sort of thing You have to actually work on halloween is that is that why you don't like it as much to work on halloween I would say I've more frequently had to work on uh christmas than halloween Because I worked halloween restaurants and bars for uh seven years My own logic halloween is better Yeah, no No, you get more presents. You uh are more likely to hang out with Larger groups of family. You're less likely to have to work. Um or be in school um There's just so many reasons like halloween you like you don't get the day off christmas you do Yeah, I I I find that a lot of the people who prefer halloween are um a bunch of losers kind of um They they don't they they don't have they don't have a family that loves them They in the social life is clearly in shambles. They have an addiction to sugar Addiction sugar Wait, if they were addicted to sugar, why do they only do it on halloween? Like would they be sugared up all the time, right? That's always one of the irritations Like heroin addicts don't do the heroin once a year. Does that make any sense? Oh, it doesn't make sense. If there if there was a day where there was a celebration of heroin You know that the heroin addicts would be all over that day. I feel like the heroin addicts would be like a regular day I can I can actually speak for the heroin addicts. Um How can you be a heroin addict if you're a guy? What? I haven't ever seen the heroin's journey Oh, I see what you're saying. Well, no, what you wouldn't you be if you're addicted to heroin's Like you're more likely to be a straight guy or a lesbian. Oh, wow. Well, that's appropriation. We have to rename it Heroin is sexually wow Well, what else do you consume heroin? You're addicted to them.   Not bad It was a nice candy Fava beans on the side Esteban I do like the even split right now though of halloween christmas and a little cast it's neat I would have thought that the argument for halloween would like the thought the availability of thoughts that are Slutty drunk and in like there's no christmas thoughts. I think rags would take issue with that I like I would have thought that would have been the whole argument Well, there's loads of arguments for halloween, you know, they're just Halloween I want to hear that It's awesome. I mean, uh, I guess that it's objectively better Like and subject to the the modifier is is is usually exciting and unpredictable and Media relating to halloween is often very See medium. This is what I have to put up with all the time This is what I put up with on this show Okay, look, well halloween is at one time of year I get to see my family because all the weird cult weird occult is summon all these demons. Okay. I'm stuck here on the mortal plane Uh, so there you go. I thought you're So you're not normal. Why do you stay wait? I'm stuck here. I got I got summoned here and I fell here Well, just have them summon you back. No, it doesn't work that way It's a it's a lot of paperwork a lot of um blue immigration form Exactly.  Satan follows the rules. It's important to Lawful evil, you know, which is which is, you know, sort of biblically accurate Like satan has to ask god for permission to do things and then god says yes Oh, yeah.   Leave me alone. Do whatever you'd be like file it under test and you should be able to do anything Yo, I gotta give a shout out to this guy Chat that just made a super deep reference to a podcast that I went to once a year ago Cut out when he said his name. Yeah, I don't know what what he doesn't get a shout out. No john hastens. Don't let him have it John john haichman Hastings. Hello, john hastings I like haichman better All j we should probably uh, I guess we should probably get started because there's there's some in the I mean, I want j to see all of this today, but I I love it. So I say Joe Bragg's like I yeah She always has job is just a weird way of pronouncing job Um, have you not seen uh arrested develop? I've seen the uh, I saw the first season I haven't seen any of it, but I've heard it's good It's great. Yeah, he's in. I really like I thought it was really funny Is that a plot hole that j has to leave because he has places to be but he can't even walk He's not even he's not even trying to like do stuff in the time. He could be here. He's quiet This speaks into the the key theme Um Yeah, it is impossible to keep up with this chat.  It goes Oh, they're fine. They like to run around They have lots of energy zoomies He said he did that son. So he has every right to be pissed at us. I didn't do that I don't I didn't do it. I don't want me Leave me out of this Braggs, do you like Christmas thoughts? Do I like Christmas thoughts? Yeah, like a mistletoe and Tinsel on the trees and the presents Christmas thoughts About Christmas. They're great Big heating chestnuts. Also, I have provided you guys, uh The link this one. This is watched I was shown I was given this by somebody as a timestamp from a video from movie bulb from 2009 And somebody says that it's just was he smaller or larger back then it's funny to say that Because He it sounds like a joke You listen to him and it sounds like a movie's attempt to be like this is young movie bulb because he's exactly the same but really high pitch But I would think that people in uh in alabama really Excited about christmas thoughts because they're their cousins or laborma All right, we've got five people in this group How can you be a thought in alabama if you don't have internet? On their phones, and then they they text it to all of their fans It's like 240p on their obama I wonder if these are good, maybe we should e-fap the coming on days movies. I'm sure there's copyright to hell and back It looks like there's three parts. There's llama drama. There's grand alama and there's lami goes So the video is 480p. So we're looking at max quality Where I want to game over I want us to get to Three minutes the interesting part starts at around two minutes 40 I don't know if we should we should watch the rest for context Especially because it regards reasonable five rags Oh, wow. Yeah, what a what a what a coinkie dinkle So I guess we'll just watch until he says the thing because I I just thought it was amusing All right, so this is for anyone who doesn't know this is movie bob some Legendary internet contributor Lots of things to say as you can see from his little banner there. He talks about Um, mario robo cop godzilla spider-man women, you know I I googled him. I uh, I did a curfew Introduction and crash course on the movie bob. I I I got an idea. Come on. Who doesn't know about movie bob by now He's One of the top most prolific of your viewers of all time. He's just uh, he's he's up there with ebert Oh, yeah, definitely.   He's clearly movie robert robert ebert proud to be an american prouder to be an american geek His advocacy for a geek master race started early then.  Why'd you make him sound stupid? He is a martian Moon is on the way to the martian No, a religion That was remarkable republican wasn't it wouldn't you just want to monarchy where he is the king No, he's the god king. It's a theocracy and he sets all the religious edict god king god king movie bob Imagine like he got him from the movie on his golden throne, but i mean he has that in bob wheel trust thing going He does in slob we trust In bob we trust the bob averse the the books and in slob we trust did you say that? Maybe bob used to be an objectivist he loved iron rand Interesting. Oh for real that's one of those guys. Oh jump from one extreme to the next I swear because objectivism for me is i'm like, okay, like stop halfway you're good And with bob it's like stop entirely and you're good Entirely different values when he made this we're gonna see a rare like well What do you say that because the thing that says that this word wouldn't be seen in his in his new videos He would not say something you said in this one No, don't you know that public figures aren't to ever change or Anything you said 10 20 30 years ago still applies to you today. We're about to see a right wing movie Well, he is right. He just he just tells himself.   Oh, yeah Trying to be in the same room as all of them and they're all like, can you go away?     Yeah, who likes taxes? Who is like, oh boy, it's tax time They add a little bit extra because they love taxes so much. Maybe it's the fin dom people Or the bdc and they Because they're fin dom. Yeah, they're the financial domination. Yeah, they're they're into that. They're gov. They're gov dom Yeah, take my money barris. Take my money. Please take my money.   They don't just disappear $10 million study shows that caterpillars turn into butterflies experts confirm That's that's what we always assumed at first. So like they just disappear. That's that's their cycle They just a little truth in the air websites. You're like, yeah partially true They just like tag out and the butterfly comes in. But where does the caterpillar go? Nobody knows possibility The government's gonna find out for us No, it was it was pokemon when they saw metapod turn into a caterp No, wait, what is it? Caterpie metapod and then Butterfree.  Maybe there's something to this The government just has a really big patreon that we're not allowed to unsubscribe from So When you're 65 Also, jay, did you know this you've never watched a movie bob video on efab before What well, of course he hasn't watched it something Um So it's amusing that the first one would be one more like more than a decade ago The past becomes the present the now Bob the occasion of my eighth episode I elected to focus on the subject of video games and race Owing largely to the controversy surrounding the then upcoming capcom title resident evil 5 Namely that it's set up involving an armed uniformed white hero blowing away hoards of rampaging dirt poor african villagers Oh Yeah, I don't know if he's ever played resident evil First off, we never had this problem.  Okay. Are you talking about spain or south america? I can we're talking about spain. So hispanic spanish not spanish. Okay, so hispanics. Yeah I don't I don't remember it really ever coming up resident evil 5 4.  Well, they're they're trying to Let's completely globally saturate and we have to stop them Um, it is funny though because this is unrelated to the fact that we just finished resident evil 5 and on a playthrough Me and rags like this video just it just happens to be about that Oh Of which resident evil Um, I don't know.  You don't know the resident evil the the deep tapestry that is the resident evil lower Is that one the one with the the weird, uh, circumcision, uh, theory. Um, well circumcision is not a theory That's just a theory A cock theory You know what i'm talking about the the justin wang made a video about it. Justin wang talked about circumcision Oh, what a perfect last name somebody made this I I don't know all the context is Oh, it's big jungus Yeah, I don't know why they made but big junger That's i'm gonna save that I think it relates to jay's Tism foot be a sweet cart wolf.  How come they're called steam rollers? Um, because they run on steam really is in the beginning probably Because I have no idea because I saw one the other day They were working on a road and there was a steam roller and I was like, why do they call it that? I I see no steam. Maybe it's a historic thing Yeah, I would assume so the first thing. Okay, so steam right when you look at it. It's not very flat Steam right? Yeah Over the century Do you look at the game's very software platform thing steam? Do you know what they do is they flatten? They flatten steam Like because i'm looking at pictures of old ones and they look like they're powered by steam So i'm like, I guess that I guess the name just stuck Because I guess originally steam exclusives So, um, this article is about steam powered road rollers for informal use of the term that includes other types see road roller Road rollers gay steam Steam road roller like and you say someone got steam rolled like in an argument. Yeah, you got the motor You know like we got what? Where what somebody's a really cool looking Anyway, if steam roller addition. Oh, yeah Poor african villagers was viewed by some to be at best racially insensitive In any case in the time between then and the actual game's release to the expected massive sales and mixed reviews Capcom saw fit to try and mitigate the swirling controversy by offering up as your sidekick for the game's quite by The authenticity of booby bobs supposed empathy towards people Oh, it's ridiculous. I'm pretty sure he read up on how to do it because he wasn't But also I just he just sounds so like his voice just sounds higher pitched and that's an excuse for why he's younger I think I think he recorded it inside of an air conditioner too. So like he's that's where he lives I would account for that, you know I have something to show j Go on what?  Can we go back? Jesus?  So they're like, well, I guess you're sort of harmless You could be mistaken for weirdos off yourself Okay, you may have spawned uh for doing reviews off your body, but uh, I guess you're mostly harmless It's a test for the will they're seeing how long it'll take before anyone notices Uh moobob was a plague of egypt. You just stayed around It ends up in one of the bars just like hey, oh my god ah She was saying shiva my first born not this Creamy shiva Creamy shiva.  Oh, no tough girl type dude.    Yeah I get to look at this hot chick do stuff. I yeah, I like that. I guess. Yeah, I'm down Gamer gated. Oh my goodness I would watch this movie Let's see what we got.  What are you doing? You? So Look up the movies so there was alvin and the chipmunks. Oh god 2007 Alvin and the chipmunks chipwrecked There Alvin and the chipmunks the squeak wool Now when I remember wait that wasn't second No, it's weird because chipwrecked came out in No, no the squeakle was 2009. Yeah, so it was alvin and the chipmunks Alvin and the chipmunks the squeakle alvin and the chipmunks chipwrecked chipwrecked and and then there was There's the road chip I'm gonna prove the title the title chipwrecked chipwrecked squeakle Yeah So there's four live action alvin and the chipmunks is what you're saying. I think so.  Is he in all of them? It's like there was a marmaduke movie Oh Oh This is a sign that we need to see it rags Huh, George Lopez is in shock boy and lava girl.  It's actually pretty good. Uh, so let's Really good argument for disparity between audiences and these ivory tower This was back in 2010. So yeah, the the user score is 4.5. The meta score is 30. So that's Marmaduke Anyway, we're inching closer to the to the funny woman is a strong woman with a perfect figure in an exhibitionist streak So then the eventual side of capcom's half-assed. Well, did she didn't have an exhibitionist streak?  Uh, it's not complete in the game. Is it doing something else? Let me see um How do I unlock the long because you get the longbow as well You have to collect all 30 bsaa emblems for her longbow fully upgrade the SR s 75 rifle and it will be up for buy. So the travel costume is 30 emblems So Yeah, did chris have sexy outfits They were all sexy Then the eventual side of capcom's half-assed attempted an affirmative action hire giving way a secret to you and victoria would keep Was to be expected affirmative action Was like I mean the game doesn't portray her particularly bright, but it just Is Yeah, like the idea that I'm sure she was in the game by the time people found out that you were killing um, what did he say? poor Poor African branch of the bsaa, right? Yeah She was in the game to begin with but maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I thought the whole point was that Let me go to the let me go to the resident evil wiki um Oh, yeah agent for the bioterrorism security assessment alliance bsaa operating as part of its west african branch Well, yeah, so it yeah It only makes sense And she clearly can handle herself in a fight So it's not an affirmative action hire.  Come on. Come on Chris Because Well, it's because they they didn't hire her for her competence You can hire someone through affirmative action and it happens to be that they are competent Well, I would assume that if you're hiring someone through affirmative action, you still take the most Wait, we're talking in-universe or out of universe right now You still take the most competent diverse option you can pick would you Um, I would hope To but I don't know I think I've been a diversity hire Um, because I got a I got a job for a $10 company once and I wasn't done with college Oh, did they see your photoshop skills and they're like this guy? No, I had a 200 subscriber channel Air youtube channel So I'm really convinced I was a You cutting out. Hey you. I know I see it. I don't know why Do it this guy looks like a slightly darker alexander hamilton we should hire him This is what like The evil alexander hamilton would be black hair instant like goatee Goatee Because remember spock from the mirror universe Was was he a person of color? Well, I don't know I guess a vulcan would would have all can be a person. I'm sorry. It's a person of chad. I know that much here here This is the spock from the mirror universe Here, uh, they make a joke about this in community that whenever there's an evil version. They just have a goatee Have a goatee. Yeah You know the the the good version of movie bob from another universe doesn't have the goatee That would make sense Well, yeah, yeah, he's clean-shaven He says a lot of reasonable things very slowly one of reasonable things. Yeah movie bob is the evil movie But so Like evil movie bob would be like maybe we should Take into context everyone's opinions and everyone starts to be respectful of all people around us He's just got this spiffy looking glitter outfit going Is that evil kirk? Is that evil? No, we didn't have a Only one of the evil versions can have the goatee the other one Yeah Yeah, because Maybe his goatee's elsewhere That's like that's just that's an outfit that signals to people Dude, look at the goatee's mirror universe outfit. All right. God.  Yeah I I don't I don't know how to I don't know that love detailed editing where I can edit in hair Someone in the chat said even the evil versions of women have goatees But where And you have to shave them to save them Good again, uh rhymes and everything What side of the of the buyetti mic is where the it picks up sound? At the same side as the mute button Uh, oh, thank you. Okay. Yeah, that's what I thought Yeah, to stop yourself from cutting out you want to go into user settings Voice and video and you can adjust the level at which it stops picking up your audio Uh, there's an option in there that says random cutoff. You want to have that checked off Untick that box That's the ideal monitors This would be the supposed one woman refutation of resident evil fives racial insensitivity accusations Wearing a leopard skin bikini and that's war paint and the necklace made of bones Dude, so why do you say that that way? The bone one woman refutation. Uh, look look guys. We made this character. Therefore. We're not racist Is that really what the purpose was behind the character? I feel like she was in it before this happened as a controversy So how many people even criticized the movie for being race?   How would you tell? This video would be just a g4k 12p of a 12p. That's right. Do you remember the guy we covered who made a video about?   She's like a boss. Oh Imagine killing the undead in and out feel like that. That's just awesome I'm pretty sure there were no complaints from gamers on this one. Oh, yeah, it wasn't from gamers. It was from game journalists Yeah, game is a racist is the point. So keep games Journalists this image that I actually used Um, you know, like if we do games activists, that's what they should be called This is through a tutorial level Racism and sexism in the gaming community. That's what this image is from apparently This is from August 2016 Oh Wow Wow, wow By the way, the circumcision thing is from Silent Hill not resonant But now we know that No way Circumcision plotline in Silent Hill What I will talk about it later in plotline. What? Learn about it when you're older I just oh guys guys wait wait pause the video someone made uh, uh, someone made a mod for the tribal outfit in oblivion Oh Not the same Our decision here Right around the same time that some British game journalists claim that capcom had tried to impose an embargo on reviews That mentioned both this uh interesting costume and a now infamous section of the game set in that probably would too I probably would too.  What if they mention all of the game and this ranks? What happens then?    Oh my god, that would be amazing Like you can't actually have a game until you beat the tutorial Then again, that should just be how games work Like the tutorial guy like if it's the the equivalent of a paper clip in microsoft where it's just watching you fail It's like you can't actually play the game until you do this. You know that, right?  Is he not no tribe tribesmen still exist like they're still around Does he want them to wear also spears? Uh, don't be pretty effective. I'm just gonna put it out there Spears are I'm curious if there would be like is that any more to this than i because i've never played this games Is there like any like is it is it something to do with like none of the other zombies where oh use weapons or anything? Well, this is searching here. This is when you enter into a deeper part of like african, I guess So yeah, so you know there In the game, they're called in the genie Zombie games we have that where we go around shooting white zombies. I mean, there's a lot of them Most of them Village they have like axes and stuff they throw to in molotovs and some of them have dynamite and then later in the game they have guns You know, they used the weapons they would have used when they were alive No, they need to have ray guns. Do you have these weird mercenary zombies that have like ak 74s? Yeah Future tech like they're in Wakanda or something Zombies with ray guns in the final, you know pot, so it's a tribal They use spears because duh Yeah, I mean Aesthetically the what are they having told they have bows and arrows Spears shields a karma. What else there is? Yeah, they've got they've got the the shields. They have spears They have the bows and arrows.  Do you think that would save them? No, they would come up with something they'd say that it's Well, it's it's it's invalidating the voices of african zombies or something.   Zombie's kind of flickered between also. Yeah shield spears straw dresses. What is this Wakanda? It's like, yeah, that's what they do there How come that's okay Yeah, that was supposed to be like The future city buildings had like That grass roofs and stuff like that, but that's okay.  What no, I don't believe this. You got to pull this up I'm I'm looking it up. Wait pull. Oh Just go for like Wakanda city or whatever It's to be fair what so in In case you don't have the wrong idea the idea is you have a half of you have like a building that looks normal and futuristic and then Like a stroll Like a bad thing in the side of it Where that shrews that I'm looking at two that shrews in this image There is uh, they're both like one is sort of in the middle just to the right of the middle quite at the back as well And then there's another one to the right and behind that that's got us. They've both got straw like one of the opening shots I'm trying to know And then there's another one with another one to the right of it with another even bigger like straw roof I mean these look like the the like some of them look like the the the birch califa some of them look like the shard like Yeah, but they've got Look at this image.    It's actually If you if you read the law books, it's actually a very cultural process Not to farm thatch copper wire What if that's to vibranium What happens if there's like a really strong wind could it affect these No, the force field could you have wind inside the bubble? Oh, I guess I don't know if that's wind pass through.  They get really muddy You know, Rome nailed this.   Uh, so in Africa the ground is made of dirt I'm Moroccan I'm part Moroccan like Morocco is nothing like Ghana. Oh first you're not white now you're Moroccan Yeah, make up your mind. Wow I'm part Moroccan. I don't realize will you deliver on this podcast? You tell me you weren't a president from the mirror universe So like For buildings are like pretty cool.  Yeah, look like In the world it looks like it's own culture a lot of circle a lot of circular architecture a lot of trees reds yellows greens Like it looks like a place with a really rich culture Well, this looks like a this looks like a city that they've just not kept up with for 30 years. It looks pretty musty, doesn't it?  Yeah It's like random trees and dirt roads just sort of unkempt and they're just walking around I've seen the criticism that um, the point is that it's starting to fall apart because they've stuck to themselves for so long But I just like the idea that the people who made this thought like this is awesome We nailed it like this is how it would look and then someone else is like, oh, I thought you were trying to say it was all broken down Okay No, they didn't think it was awesome. Like, you know So it's so it's it's all broken down. So the concrete from the roads removed the removed itself Oh, yeah, well, no, you see themselves. Well, the roads are explained Once all the concrete In the asphalt and stuff of the roads It started to get really shitty.  I don't think that's something we've been going for It's awesome and I like it's so no one looks at that and it's like hey, this is actually about nationalism and and like uh an ethno state and How how great society would be if there was an ethno state? like Is anyone to me that Maybe it's just a superhero movie So anyway, well, we're always going to like movies can have ideas but Black panther is kind of jumbled jumbled for sure A fucking superhero movie that discusses nationalism in depth I mean at this point. Yeah, but like, okay. What is that concept called? Uh, where people are clearly speaking a different language But the movie is presented in like english or whatever the language of the target audience would be what it would That's just translation convention, right?  It's makes me know Okay, and the mcu the fucking alien speak english as well So I would say there is a big Interesting English Yeah, but I would hold that the alien speak english at all because it shows in guardians of the galaxy one that um Aliens have translated so has a translator device in his in his ear well I mean We don't know that as god do the exact same thing as like ever I would say still like if we were to uh say like it doesn't the aliens don't so fuck it I'd be like wow, I mean, you know Like just because the aliens all speak english doesn't mean we should have every country on earth speak english like that And that's clearly not what they do on the mcu I was from a world building stamp actually like I guess it could make sense for Wakanda to have the uh The universal translators like they've invented their own But they don't they actively speak multiple languages like when they don't want people to understand them They speak easy hosa and when they like go to korea they speak korean But when they're alone among themselves, they're speaking english Then universal translators they can't understand how to Maybe the history of the mcu is the england colonized the entire world and then they got everything taken from them Like really early on stone age like around then Maybe they were just like oh, I'll I wish so let's start speaking english I Like there's even characters in in parts where they don't speak english at all.  No, why did you skip?   Uh like Village where you fight not only more african zombies, but african zombies wearing grass I like that he says not only african zombies in africa Where there's a zombie outbreak as if that's a problem like yeah, that's bad enough How do you the blacks would never fall for these kind of shenanigans?   We said wait and see we cried Context we have context justifies it entirely It literally does yeah It's a tribal african village that is that gets infected by the plagues in fact Aren't they deliberately infecting places that they know it'll spread fast because thus like they're experimenting and shit But but that it won't spread beyond the population. I imagine like I can't remember west because overall plan is to send it into the whole world right and this was like a testing ground I think I don't know. I've never played it again.  What do we do? Yeah, I think they just you know, I think a lot of people hear it more than they see it Unless is it a reference to ray romano and he can punch bill boulders I mean he's like a mammoth, right? Yeah That's a lot of references in a row anyway And then this really any cheese guys yikes So yeah settled you have no you haven't made an argument You just you just said No, no, it's settled. It's settled. It just works All right, well, if anything it shows that this dude's a super imperialist Yeah, these all of these tribal african dudes who got infected. They should have just pulled out glocks and mp5's and started spraying away Underneath her grass skirts.  I would be very curious to ask him what his proposed solution would be would it be don't serve it in africa Make the african people like go to a different place in africa so that it's like not tribal You know, obviously africans All the african zombies are very friendly. They're like hey, how you doing?  I'm really curious. Is that one of chris's out first for that game? I think it's probably a mod There's a lot of mods for this game No, hey, like that that's just that is gay with the nips and everything Yeah Dude, you don't think if they didn't portray the african tribesmen as tribesmen that the same dude wouldn't be like They should have portrayed them as tribesmen. This is imperialist.   Oh dirt is made of ice cream Nailed it.  Like what also this is from this doesn't happen in the game Oh my god, this this wait this pot might happen in the game. We you have to um How is this racial stereotypes if you stick around in the opening battle you get like a whole crowd after you No, the way that they move around and the emotions they're making And also this is from the very opening area Remember we commented on that weird just back alley that had nothing in it that they just had in the game That's what this is Are the are the resident evil zombies sentient enough to utilize their shields or do you Are they just yeah happen?  They could still sort of like operate in society What's interesting is like society the bosses Are often people who inject themselves with it and they like could even speak to you sometimes sometimes Like wesker is uh, the idea is like depending on your dna. You'll be able to Overcome the virus and sort of use it to your benefit or not. I think Which is which is uh, obviously racist because you know And doesn't make it evil Probably does mean that the cause of gaming being taken seriously as an art form is set back another 30 to 50 steps I don't see how people Like people thought that this set back gaming because it wasn't very good I guess gaming was was on its way and then resi will five fucked over the nut I'm like you still have to How many steps Bob measured it in steps too. I don't understand that as a unit of measurement like oh The cause of making the games a respectable art form like how many steps 30 to 50 steps Like usually it's like 30 or 30 years or 10 years. We said he said it's back 10 years But with movie bob a long time to him is measured out 30 steps ago. I was just How many things that is the goal? I don't I don't understand Oh Going back to the 1950s as darkness just said capcom kept us from living on mars. Damn it Well, let's follow Right now I'm assuming blue bob takes like one step a year. How many steps until mars three So a long time well technically you could step once and if you aim it right you can get there. Yeah How is that? Well, you just like like you're in orbit around earth right a long man. Yeah, and you just you step off Step off at just the right. You got to be really precise And you'll float all the way to mars. Oh, I hit play balls. I know the screen says racism I personally could uh could take a step that takes me off the planet Because you need surgery for your feet. Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's it. That's what's stopping you.  Oh, no worse than race it's literally not possible What could be worse than races It's worse there are like so many emotions right now. Yeah all this time you thought racism was a bad part But it isn't racism. It's worse than racism. Nothing can be worse than racism racism. Have you pretty hyped so Remember, this is a 10 year old video. So things were still worse than racism Still some stuff was yeah What was worse than racism back then? Is it racism too? Like sexism? I don't know like it could be. I don't know where he's going with this Racism it's just racism too. Rapesism. Oh my god. We know It's a philosophy centered around rape I'm trying to figure out what he could possibly follow up this way. I think it's like, yeah What what could he possibly say that's worse than racism that could be the cause of that?  This was when the whole new feminism stuff was really kind of hitting its stride But how is this gonna I'm imagining the world where he says I think this would I think I don't think this is racism I think this was something worse. I think it was just laziness on the part of Lefty twitter is like nothing's worse than racism. Well, you think a lot of people for being lazy It hasn't looned that yet Rags, you know what I'm gonna say. I think racism is worse than laziness. No I'm saying you're right though Video games not not in making of video games Movie Bob really consider laziness a bad thing though.  He's like, what do you mean sloth is a deadly sin? I haven't died yet. So it can't be deadly sin.  All right, let's find out. I'm excited Racism is an activity of the conscious mind a belief hand or viewpoint that can be No, I think It's a very big claim and I don't think you realize Yeah, you could be subconsciously racist I think it's I think it's proven that people are like subconsciously racist to some degree Just because of how our brains work that setup though, whatever he's going to Whatever he's picking as the true problem is is gonna be like in opposition to that statement. I guess like This is something you consciously do. So what's worse is the unconscious. I'm guessing I don't know I was trying to move into it. We were really really like them want to make movement to junk in psychology.  Where are you going to go now? There's going to bring this back to psychology sociology.  Absolutely. I love it. Yeah, it's not supposed to make sense.  Do you think that's practical? Yeah, you road warrior chris.   What is the racial stereotype out for for a white person? It's tennis All the white people have to wear like tennis gear based uniform tennis gear American white they would wear camo all the time. Yeah, there we go.   I would um wait, but jay So what is your problem? If if it was like a default outfit, what would be your problem with it? Well, it's like I wouldn't know her like if it was justified by the story It's like that's what she as a character would wear then sure But I I feel like I find it difficult to envision a character who would wear that Like it feels like a contrived thing Yeah, if if cheva olomar was if if the game was totally the same, but that was her default normal outfit I would be like this makes no fucking sense.  She's like, I like to wear this.  Oh bad is in attractive. What do you mean? Well, since when do you How does this look on me?  Well, just don't call her bossy Okay. Oh, yeah, you can't you can't say the word boss. I think they banned that Because he's going strong in the end when we can't handle the word boss Like it shatters your mind for some Did that really go that far? Bossy. Yeah, that's like that that that was like that was a thing for a while. They've been in a long time ago Yeah, you can't call women bossy a strong independent woman When the upon hearing the word bossy Well, they must not be that strong then That's bigotry So we're going back to bobo capital the overcaffeinated chipmunk. So this um this section It's it might be worth just letting it play and saving your reaction until I hit pause All right, you ready? You ready? Hello?  Yeah, I'm fine It just cut off for me. I saw green circles with no sound. It was scary. I thought I was alone I'm gonna I'm gonna let it play until 314 I guess maybe we'll pause before and I don't know we'll just you know what whatever happens happens Don't worry. There is a point. I think anyway when I was a boy I remember a certain book making an odd impression on me. I'm less than certain of the name I want to say it was called space station seventh grade, but it might not have been anyway The reason I made such an impression was largely because I was always surprised to find a coming of age book That was actually for boys. See I'd inherited most of my age appropriate reading material from an older female cousin So let's just say a lot of it was tipped in a rather specific direction So just pause there. He's saying He got he had a lot of Uncovered a lot of answers here Judy bloom. He read he grew up on Judy bloom interesting We're learning about about him specifically. Yeah, he read all this as he was growing up But when he was writing the script, he thought wait, maybe this sounds lame I will now Put a pot in this video that can Make it look a bit more chatty that I that I read these because of what it can do for me All right, and I just don't think you'd see movibob say this ever ever again, but he I'm pretty sure if movibob had the capacity of looking at his own scripts and saying wow, this sounds lame He would never make a video Well, he had to he had to compensate with this. Are you ready for him to compensate? Are you ready? Oh boy, here we go. Not that it was all that bad I mean, in fact, I can offer with some experience that a teenage boy who's looking for ways to relate to girls his own age Might find a working familiarity with the complete works of judy bloom to be very very very very very helpful I like the last image is him Only It's like a spider giving it This shows a lot of a movibob psychology. I'm pretty sure one of them is lindsay ellison 10 years ago lindsay ellison still He's but he's giving away that he is like super into voyeurism like that that he sees Pinnacle of chad hood because you put this at the end There's an escalation to it. It was an escalation. Yeah, okay I don't I don't consider watching two girls have sex without me an escalation of me That's the point he does No, I don't I don't think he necessarily does I Right, look at the pictures, right?  There's movibob right there. Two girls giving him a hand job It's like lindsay ellison with two movibob is on the other side It's it's clearly he's clearly gunning for escalation here. Very helpful And then this is like But two girls with me is no, no, I know I he's got an interesting That's kind of the point is it's interesting how he treats the hierarchy of like uh Experiences I I think that's possible, but I still need more. I I still don't feel like I need more Well, because if you remember the way he speaks as well, he says really really really like like oh, this is getting Oh Drawing of him having a threesome with these two women It's only the pinnacle of what I could want after sex and after having my arms around two women Is for them to have sex with each other and me to watch and record it Is I assume he didn't have a threesome when he was like in high school or whatever. He's never movibob is a virgin obviously He's a super virgin Is this old stuff flat out lie or did he like touch a boob?  Well, he was reading them when he was of age, uh of legal age I'm sure he went when you're 13.  He's into watching like wait wait a cuck His girlfriend. Yeah, dude. He's not a cuck. He's just I I don't know about cuck. You'll have to walk me through that one Okay, so hold on. Okay. I got you.  Are you a cuck? That depends, uh, if you're getting sexual pleasure from it, then yes, he seems to be But I was no one of these no one of these girls has to be his girlfriend Not just someone he fucks and that would be the assumption made I suppose Well, he started with one girl and then got the second one and he went through that whole thing So they're both so they're both his girlfriends So I feel like that adds a new dynamic to things if they're both his girlfriend That's just like a threesome that he's that he has stepped away from temporarily to watch and record I but he it never showed him being in the threesome So we have to assume that all he did was have his arms around them and then watch this other girl Fuck his girlfriend in front of him and he records the rats are trying to help him out. Okay Help Bob. I What? You're trying to help Bob out. You're gonna make it look a little better that it might look Maybe I'm not convinced of kukery here I got it because the the personal dynamic of the pinks and the whites here are really really important for that The pinks and the whites the pinks and the whites the two genders I think he's a cuck now If another man fucks your girlfriend No, no, no, no, kukoldry. I think implies that you are not attracted to both the people That you are like watching have sex.  Yeah For it to be for it to be cucking. I think you have to be in a Ship a close relationship with one of the people involved And you have to gain sexual gratification From either watching them or knowing that they are being fucked by somebody else that you are not in a relationship with because Because then that would make every polyamorous relationship Almost essentially cucking. I think I think it also has to do with like the actual like the nature of the the pleasure you take from it Yes, like so if you are watching even if you're watching your partner have sex with someone else If you're just watching that as like a performance that they're putting on for you Then I don't think that's kukoldry. I think that's just polyamory. Yeah, and I feel like yeah I think it's more complicated than just watching Two people have sex and getting pleasure from it Kukoldry has more to do with the idea that like you are being degraded by the act of them having sex with someone else It's very specific, right? Yeah There there's definitely that mental aspect and there's this dynamic of I guess giving up Like sacrificing your own pleasure in that Normal way so that someone else could have it and you can get that degradation from it It's like it's like domination. It's like it's it's like being dominated, but kind of yeah It's it's off-hand domination Secondhand domination if you if you're there like and you are very much in control of the situation and like you're And like you're telling your partner what you want them to do to someone else. You are not being cucks Yeah, like you have to be in a position and power in the situation. Yeah Like if you're the dominant one you have to get off from the idea that you've given up power and control And It was important that we Confused getting cheated on with cuckoldry all the time Like if someone cheats on you like that makes you a cuck because like no not in any modern context Yeah, I always thought that you had to be like there and I thought I thought I thought that was the original meaning of cuck It was originally. Yeah, because enough. Hello. That's like, um Yeah, be like Yeah, if it's consensual and like that's what you get off on then that's uh Who could have ever seen Who could have ever seen that a uh, that movibob would spark a uh impromptu conversation on cuckoldry I think anyone could At the very least it's voyeurism at the very oh for sure Um, for sure. Well, I think Okay, if we're gonna say that it's cuckoldry you would need more context. You would need we need more details Bob didn't provide enough with his stick man Deeper the details. We gotta know if it's classified as cult cuckoldry or not. Okay either way, um This this funny that that's what happens to us with watching this But what'll happen to the people who like are on his team watching this? I feel like they'll be very upset that he was like Everyone everyone it's movibob People on his team Um, and I don't know if they know each other they just seem to agree on a lot of stuff That that's why quintin butted off of him because just like quintin reviews. Nobody respects movibob Does patrick williams still respect him? Yeah, I feel like patrick would not be happy Williams respects him. Yeah, so um patrick williams that are really pretentious. Well, don't you not respect patrick williams like youtube critics don't matter Patrick williams actually respect anyone who isn't patrick williams So patrick williams made a really pretentious seems like it youtube critics aren't valuable and don't matter And in that he said except bob chipman bob chipman is great And he basically just makes traditional reviews but puts them on youtube So they're fine and you're like why have all the creators to single out is it me wait seriously that he did Oh my god He said only bob chipman makes traditional reviews only bob he said he didn't say only he said He's like making a huge general except for bob chipman And then he says except bob chipman So Yeah, patrick williams endorses movibob Bob and you could play this clip to be like he endorses this Um, I want to see I want to see if he's uh, if he's said anything about movibob more recently I'm gonna use the twitter secret trick. I showed you more. Oh my god. Remember that you remember that, right? I do Yeah, you're gonna try and remember that because it's so useful from you say from or something. It's it's neat But I just I'm curious what the reaction from all the people bob would like would would think of this this assessment right here Because I just feel like this is this they would absolutely characterize this as objectification, you know To be upset he's using his books to get them in bed. It's not it's not objectification. It's more Um objectification is the uh, it would be the like Actually, no, it might be I don't know. I think I think it might qualify because he basically said like Hey, reading the books might be lame, but it got me good to get women in bed. It's like, oh, but it didn't Well I guess it would be dehumanizing would be the complaint because I was thinking of like objective Objectification only applying in like media But I don't think that's true But the point is this is what he fantasized about when he was a kid reading those books because none of this actually happened So this is what he wished that growing up reading those books got him I yeah, it's really really really weird.  You interrupted me to say you need time to get the thing.  So I don't even good. It's Wow, I believe it was I just saw I was looking for tweets about movie book from Patrick Willems and one of the most recent ones was just It says from Patrick Willems. Maybe you're just bad and dumb And the tweet that it's in response to has been deleted. So I was like, hang on Is he replying to movie pop here, but he wasn't I don't think it's possible, you know um Yeah, he was he was like it's the problem with uh capcom isn't racism.  Yeah, we never found out. What is the problem?  Um, that's all he had to let us know for some reason because What a strange tangent Like what are you trying to like what's what's the point of that? What's the point of the lie? Well, he got laid when he had he's had sex with a lot of 13 year old I used judy bloom to get laid when I was 13 with other 13 year old girls like And so anyway, that's why capcom is racist It all follows that's not a boast No You'd see the image of him on the camera, right? Um So the thing that's behind him looks like it's supposed to be his leg doesn't look like a leg at all I see I see it as like Both of his legs. He's just in a squatting position. It's his tail. That's a long Fish Yeah That's what it looks like I think he's like a lemur. He's got a tail I mean, this is a tangent in the video, but he spent time drawing these he did He really did There is more editing and you know what there is in the rest of the video It does look like a tail it does look like a lemur tail.  It's he's he's he's had so much sex with these 13 That is just soft and limp and it just needs time to catch its breath. So it's dragon behind him Wait, did he say this is 13? Well, I mean, it's an implication that I pick up from the judy bloom novels to get laid Because these are like kids books Well, it's okay.  I don't know.  Yeah, I've never heard that I've never heard anyone say It's normal For two 13 year old stuff. I mean, maybe no not 13, but like under 18 like 15 16 or 17. Yeah, that age is normal So Where you're allowed to have sex with people when you're 14 Is it 14? I thought it was 15.  Well, I knew it because I was Blair Oh, wow Because he had to read up to the exercise this No There's laws like that here in the u.s. Where if you're if you're both really young Then I was literally about to say that. Do you know about the Romeo and Juliet laws? I've seen transformers What? Yeah, it's in transformers. There's a and one of the Michael Bay transformers films the uh The like there's a male and female lead And the dude is like 19 or something and the girl is 17 Um, which is like seems like a really strange creative decision, right?  What it seems like a really weird creative decision just to make all the hot girl in this movie Is gonna be underage specifically. That was what that was the part I missed. I heard all of it I didn't age is the protagonist's work. Oh, it's 17 and 19. I think I don't actually know the specifics, but like I thought it was an age. Which which movie is this? Uh, because shiella buff was in high school. It's the one. No, it's not. It's the one after shiella buff leaves Isn't mark. I don't want to bumble me one. Walbert the lead.  I keep well, I shouldn't say that But yeah, it's like um It's yeah, he carries around a card with the Romeo and Juliet laws on it saying why he can bang the 17 year old Walbert. Yeah, but 17 is 17 is the age of consent No, it's not I don't know. She's under the age of consent It's 18. It's not. Oh, I don't know.   I'm not thinking of like only and I'm not saying that's a problem. You're I wasn't thinking about Yeah, I'm saying it's a problem with society Well, isn't the one of the things that can happen is like you could post when it's legal, but then No way like if you post yourself at underage and then you Grow a year then you have technically got cp on your Like that's how that like you can get in trouble for that, right? Yeah, let me give off. What really? Yeah.  I don't know if anyone's actually had it happen to them Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, can we check if that's ever happened? You can I feel like it's probably happened at least once somewhere.  Is that a true one because there are some places where it might not be 16, but I think most commonly federally Let's talk federal Um, I don't know if it's federal. It might be state.   I'm I'm literally just talking about physical intercourse between two people Why is the conversation right?  There's a full industry around that And that's very bad. Yeah, I mean So anyway, I was interested in knowing What do you mean The image by the way, thank you capital O So now we get to play is the stream getting monetized. Um, assuming not but I'm uh, like the whole thing Not as a default is um, is how this relates to capcom. That's what I want to know Really quick I would like to point out That given how minimal the editing was for the rest of the video The fact that this tangent is like so heavily edited means like this was the thing He was primarily concerned with Like he spent more time Trying to flex About how judy bloom novels. It's an odd flex. It's an odd one. Do you know it's a point by the way? Well, because there's the straight lines there. Can you straight lines in pain? I can't remember Yeah, I think yeah, of course. Yeah, of course Yeah, he started in by filling it black and then he used the colors on top of it. Yeah They're clearly in the base because you have your tools so you can draw lines Imagine moob up his face as he drew all these uh pictures panel by panel. He was cooming I think so too He got biting his lower lip and sweating confused. No, yeah In any case at one point in this book the hero of vaguely dweeby white suburban kid living in then present 1982 Wonders without a hint of irony why his various black and Asian friends Bother dressing up in costumes on halloween sense in his words. They already are something That's an extremely interesting character. I would be That's really weird. He already awesome It's it's an extremely Would dweeby character in this book he read. Yeah The for halloween he saw his his uh his friends being um asian or black, I guess as they don't need to dress up because they already are something Which I guess is really weird. That's not that's sort of something you sit down with someone and say, okay. Wow, but like I don't know. I think it's kind of okay. Wow level Yeah, I guess if it because if it's coming from a really sheltered dweeby Kid who'd has no exposure to things. I could see them maybe thinking that Well, if it's coming from like someone who's just uh never like experienced the world kind of thing It's like, okay. We okay timmy. We need to sit you down and talk to you about what race Yeah, I don't I don't think that's coming from a place of malice Yeah, but it's still like no definitely not it's clear it looked like the kids were super young Well, I guess you can say that from a place of malice, but uh, you could but I don't It also sounds like something that comes out of a place of ignorance where someone just needs to be Oh, yeah, definitely ignorance.  Just because oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Well, actually, I don't know I I don't know my my best friend growing up was half black and half asian Yes, I don't know what they do for halloween I I guess I don't know how to even like differentiate it from everyone else. We just did halloween stuff. I guess eight candy and trigger treated In other terms to him a black guy dressing up as a vampire makes as much sense as a vampire dressing up as anything It's a quaintly true image. Why is that it's a quaintly true image? It's literally the first it's words. I've never heard of someone saying something. I've never heard of that ever Why can't why can't black people dress up as vampires for halloween or something?   I'm not sure which of the spots this is This is this is sport mind from halo All of the sports that we've drawn have reached critical mass. They've formed together and become sentient and Like you you see, he's even got the tendrils on his head. Yeah Yeah, his wonderful head of hair. This sport has become a monument to all of our sins Did he like metal would like high juice spot? Metal would like this part. I feel like it fits metals aesthetic Yeah, metal would like this. That's true Yeah, bringing it and bringing up the thing seemed to be literally a tangent. He just wanted to mention it Because he's now weird you want to toss that Peculiar boast yet alas. I am he wanted to find he wanted to talk about that.  He's just said it's racist Yeah Like so, you know, he has enough self-awareness to know that he's speaking of judy bloom when I was 13 I got mad purse. That's the video Also resin evil. It's like, okay I don't know if I if I was 13 and I was having sex with 13 year olds I don't know how I would look back on that and process it Well, like as an adult, you don't know how yeah, like looking back on it Yeah, just be like a really weird thing that I did now that I'm an adult looking back on it Maybe we can just bob Common among us young white boys back then but looking back on it now. I think it's a lot more. That's monolithic white boys Yes, it was a common though I I sure was common among amongst white boys in general or is it just common amongst him and his friends?  Therefore? But no, uh, yeah bob and his friends they they were just like, yeah, you know what that's true Or rather See the rest of the world people are like, where's the screen?  Don't panic people So wait, what why is the screen changed? Why is it slightly zoomed in? Oh, I know why Let me explain something about white people.  I feel like you may be in trouble here Like the kkk and white people are just the same thing Well, they wear white rags. Come on Neighbor difference Not even one That is pretty funny Okay, okay. I'm gonna say the kkk Uh, I'm not impressed impressed oppressed in ways that are wrong, right? People who actually believe they're being oppressed. I mean, yeah, you could argue they are being oppressed Yeah, like yeah Something should be oppressed. Yeah. Yeah Yeah, but uh, yeah so the thing is let's say, uh, bob is saying like He's clearly implying that they think they're being oppressed unjustly, right, you know, he's implying Because they are being oppressed in for good reason So let's say that bob is only referring to like on things that are unjust oppression He's saying wow, these people actually think they're being oppressed um You know that they're not but he hasn't demonstrated at all.  Never mind It comes up to my person and they engage in a discussion I'm just here. I'm just to hear at a third party listening to this conversation take place like I don't know I would be curious to hear a kkk person try and explain to me how they have become convinced of this Hang on. Hang on. They burn like crosses at kkk rallies, right? That's a thing. Yeah, I guess not every one This is a cross with just a little lights on it.   What scratching their heads? A plugs in the cross A plugs in the cross And it just glows.  That sounds badass Grand wizard to you. I'm not think the skatelies have got it now Grand dragon. I bet they all think they're the grand dragon.  It doesn't really mean anything You have to get other people to agree that you are the grand dragon. That's a good point And someone pointed out the kkk do wear masks so we could appreciate that at least Why'd you mean you know just in relation to the covid times they don't have a problem with wearing masks That's kind of nice of them. Um, it might be extremely racist, but at least they're this is being safe Yeah, I like the whole I want to be a grand dragon quote rags 20 I go to like the store and his is uh his clan mask and they're like what it's just to wear a mask is the only one I have Yeah And then they tell him to leave the store and he's going I'm being oppressed I'm an american dammit I was wearing a mask. I don't know what's problem was Someone said kkk rona virus You like from a distance the lights make you look like it's on fire, you know, it's fine And someone up close like I don't believe it. We need a real fire.  They feel like they're there's really they've lost a lot from You know moving from real fires to More conservative kkk members are really angry with the more progressive kkk.  This is everyone that isn't moving Moibob is the only white guy who's not racist. He's one of the good ones guys.   No, but now now applying the the same standard to people as racist according to some people People are trying to change the goalpost of what racism is to where just literally being white Is is considered racism. What do you mean?     What if you overcompensate and you start seeing it everywhere? What about that? Is that possible? This is this image here of chris. This is how movibob pictures himself looking for racism He's like, I am the racism police I am Eagle eye movibob looking for racism in 13 year olds Even the smartest and most tolerant among us tend to subconsciously view our whiteness As a kind of tabula rosa normalcy and black it is normal And you say a while ago that racism was a conscious thing. My whiteness is normal. My parents were white.  It's like a pinkish thing like black people aren't actually black I think that's what you mean by normal are actually black people and they're actually white people like most common Yeah, like it's normal to be white in a predominantly white area It really depends what meaning of the word normal he's going for so like if you see No, he's saying it's a word said rags is not a very good Let's not take that away from him. He is defying that it's like tabularity saying it's base state It's it's regular what he's saying is tabular rosa is in blank state Like being anything but white is an add-on to to to the regularness of whiteness Right, which is a different conversation Yeah, I I guess there are some people out there who think that sure Because like, you know, um, you know, I think thinks that I think I think it's specifically the sjw's who think that and I think it's a lot, um Like the white liberals who try to speak on behalf of minorities And the minorities that buy into the ship that they say to like that they that the white liberals come up with That hold those ideas I've seen like the you guys know the like the black hebra israelites them Oh, yeah, I think they're I think they're they think that like the default is like black and everything else is Like a like a corruption of that So do you know why they say that? Um, let me uh, I if I forget honestly, there's a lot of reasons There's a lot of reasons but one of the big things that like I I didn't know this and it was like, oh that makes sense It's because they're biblical literalists and they literally believe that he bruce are gods chosen people So they're ascribing being gods chosen people to themselves There you go. Oh like moment ism does the other way To be fair to movie bob. This is like seven different conversations. He's having in this video So it's pretty like you just trying to point out cap coms aren't racists. The problem is much worse It's that they can't even realize when they're racist I think that's that that's the point.  So yeah, I guess they have a big localization Japanese this is 20.  He initially targets white people as being the problem. Maybe he's trying to talk about how The white people of america don't notice the problem Is is what he's trying to focus on rather than the people who made it at this point Or he's just trying to lump it all into the same thing. I don't know Pretty weird bob pretty Bigoted for you to assume that only white people were involved in making resiny will five if I may say so myself What it's literally made by a japanese company Yeah, I feel like it's a japanese com Anyway, but that was that that was I just mainly wanted it for that one bit. So it was interesting to see how he He cushioned it in that which part If I could if I could take If I took with other races the the all encompassing attitude that he takes to white people I think we know how that'd go down To any other race.   I think that's something he would think I think Fucking sounds like feeling guilt for the Feeling guilt for the accomplishment accomplishments of people who are Superficially similar to you is just as stupid as taking pride in it. Yeah, well accomplishments Wait, did I say slavery and hey, hey, hey Oh, no Because white people are successful it's because of the I feel like slavery isn't accomplishment, right? Like that's a lot of work So I'm pretty sure the thing I was going Stupid is taking pride in the accomplishments of people who are super superficially similar to you But uh, I may have said accomplishments at the wrong place Or the right. Yeah. No, I guilt guilt. We're talking about white guilt White guilt playing into white guilt.  I guess you could yeah And they pulled that one off for a while be aware of the connotations. That's all because that Achievement something no no something no something that has been achieved successfully Yeah, no, no, so accomplishment is something that's been achieved successfully But to know what accomplishment really means no you have to define achievement So if I google achieve Achievement is something a thing a thing done successfully Typically by effort courage or skill I mean it takes a lot of courage to enslave Well, I I mean, I don't see how you couldn't be skilled if you managed to pull off like the western slave trade How you could just bumble into it. You know who? like like This is something that like people try to erase But chattel slavery was an invention of western africa I like that you would be chattel slaved because of a like a tribal war or a territory war. I feel like he was way older The slavery probably came around like they talked about it in the bible. No, but we're talking about chattel slavery I know I know that slavery is old in that i'm talking about chattel slavery, which is what the american model of slavery was based on I feel like that goes back back a long long long long way ago Slavery was an invention of wales Really wales started. Yeah Yeah, like the welsh dammit moller. This is your people. Hey, we stopped it That's why they have a really on we were like, oh, this is bad actually and then everyone else was like, no, that's kind of neat And we were like, no, it was too late. Oh my god. No, it's cool.  I didn't bring up roman slaves Well, but you're saying back in time because back further back further back further than the roman. Yeah, you go further back Like this is like we're talking x-mask genesis But I you know surely you would agree the chattel slavery. Yeah, like they were your property You could inherit them pass them down to your kids and even if uh, you're talking about the difference between like Legal things versus just you know, aug is in slaves og in his cave I still feel like it's relevant because it would be a stork of that same prospect I suppose Like the idea that they're completely separate because they have different rules I'd be like, wow slavery is just gonna be this big old tree through history, right? I really want to know where the stereotypical cave man names of like og and og came from Well, it's just like a sound Mouth sound Do you do you mean you want to know how they started back then like when they were like my name? Nobody wants any complicated names like engulf agil giggle goggle I assume the idea of owning like another human being probably is an equivalent age to the concept of ownership I don't oh, yeah, I feel like it's super old It's just older than time probably will not always be older than recorded history What is the thing that what what would have been the first thing that like was owned? by a person of rock, I don't know probably like literally food probably food And was that do you think that was do you think that would predate current humanity like as uh I mean like our like neanderthals and homo habilis and stuff like that Neanderthals were at the same time as humanity, right? Well going that I threw in another one in there just like going back and back and back to we were I mean probably I mean the concept of ownership is probably predates humanity Don't any anthropologists in shape and all the proto humans probably had a concept of ownership I wonder if like any uh animals living today that aren't humans have a concept of ownership Probably I would imagine that I feel like I feel like some animals probably have a sense of ownership over like their mates That that's probably a thing that because that doesn't happen, right? There are there's Territorial like maybe there's territorial animals. That's got to be a concept of ownership, right of owning territory. Yeah, you own I guess Oh, yeah, it's actually a really good point. Yeah Oh my I'm sure yeah, it's not like yeah I would be hesitant to say that humans invented ownership of things the concept of ownership I there I think there's a difference between like territory and and ownership I'll tell you I'm not I'm not sure how much of a difference they'll be seen to.  He's his tree's been taken down to make livery And That was my don't you need a Don't you need some form of like established legal code to be able to uphold? No, if you if you know if you in practice exercise your ownership Then that's I mean, it's it's fundamentally exactly the same Whether there's a piece of paper or a written law that ensures that it's yours legally that doesn't mean that if you Uh, especially in a time where there are no such things exist There are no legal codes and there are no, you know documentation for this sort of thing if you as a creature Are exercising the motions of taking ownership of of something and deciding what is done with it and That seems to be a distinction without a difference. We're going back so far, but none of this invalid No, that's what I cut out Uh, we're going back so far, but none of this invalidates anything I was gonna say Which was The american system and the new world system of slavery Was based on west african chattel slavery Yeah, slavery as a whole concept goes back super early and the idea of any different kinds of slavery will just be stalks Of what we understand slavery in the first place Okay, but in validates, it's just it's just a corollary. Well, so my counter would just be yeah And what was that based on and what was that based on and what was that based? Right, but that's not Sure, you can do that forever and go back to oh territory from animals. That's why we were talking about that I don't even really know what at this point. I'm wondering what the point is I mean, are there like white americans of it at slavery because no, that's like they just like so Yeah, yeah, the point was no, but people do think that people try to erase like the african component the africans captured other africans Yeah, is this like academics or like random people on twitter is my question Um, that's a great question. I I wouldn't say twitter so much.  It's the greatest caper that's ever happened in history is spain pulling off being treated like minorities because they speak spanish And having the blame for like racism and all and slavery and all that go to anglo-saxon white people Okay, so we all agree that whites didn't invent slavery All right Neat So, um, I think that's settled as movie bob would say. Yeah, I think that's uh, that is settled as the great movie By a guy named edgar slavery slavery. It was made after a person Mr. And mrs. Slavery, what do you want to make? There's one the day it was My hot tech here is that edgar, you know, really wasn't all that good of a guy No, yeah, I can I can see the augment there. Are you gonna make a video on that or I mean, maybe you know, there's enough interest That's a Edgar So then the that I only wanted it for that for that bit, but so like we're probably just gonna jump to the next Topic being yeah, sure. Um, all right. I think probably the time I'm gonna do it Wow j Yeah, so I I'm not gonna recommend we watch the video, but did we are we good? Do we know what's worse than racism? Yeah, the I think it seems to be Totally clear. He was saying like the what's worse than racism is not being able to detect racism because it's so ingrained in you Oh, that's I was hoping it would be something works. Yeah, so don't even don't even agree with I think in action is always going to be far more harmful and worse than a Your concept I guess he's arguing from the point that if you're aware you're doing a racism then it's like You've made your choice rather than Uh, someone who's unaware of it and thus it's an evil that will will just grow and roll over and influence I don't know if that's the angle he's going for though I I I guess yeah, it sounds like it's like oh the subconscious racism is reflected in this game But it like what he doesn't understand is the subconscious racism is his review of it because these are actual tribesmen in Africa um I guess I'm I'm fine with the idea that there are subconscious aspects of our animal brains that are Tribalistic and that extends to race and sex and all that sort of stuff in some way But I feel like we're good enough to be able to recognize those things and not enact them So it's weird that he brought it up for that split second that he did Remember his his idea of like being aware of it is to look at resinual five and be horrified while we're like wait one Yeah, because you have to make a compelling case as to why that's actually race To us Like someone who doesn't already start with the idea that it that that we don't agree with him Like he's not going to convince anybody. It's just preaching to the choir so hatred segues Crossing the line from violence to sadism This is a this video is on hatred. Yeah, we're going to be covered some hatred now. Remember hatred. Oh, gosh In case anybody knows, you know all about hatred, don't you so the idea is you know video games Uh violent video games, you know cool, but when are they not cool? That is the big discussion And uh, we're gonna get a lesson We get a lesson from good old extra credits about this See You can choose. Hey folks, you can ask for this, but here it is. I know I like some extra credit stuff I wonder if we'll like this one. I don't know Who knows what they've got to say it should be more than interesting.  I think that there's different channels, but they use the same voicetisms. I guess they they both do the Pseudo animation sort of thing that I kind of do No, I think I think it's literally this guy I don't think so. I don't know The results in some graphic depictions of violence and other unpleasantness in the video I know it's all cartoons and such but you know trigger warning for other unpleasantness wait He said it's all cartoons though, but it's so like easy portraying graphic violence with his little with cartoons Okay, how do you draw someone? How do you draw like his character getting beheaded? Wow You sort of just push it over and it falls down. It's just further away. It's magnets Okay, do the thing Oh, so loud. Why'd you do this to me? Rage goddess sing the rage of Peleus's son Achilles murderous doom that cost the Achaeans countless Killies is awesome. Are you talking about?  Look how smart I am Well, guys, I've read I've read things. He's making a point of rage leave him alone. Jeez It's kind of weird. Oh, he's kind of a weirdo, but he was cool when he fought Hurling down to the house of death so many sturdy souls These are the first words of the western tradition. This is how we open the Iliad the first words of the western tradition Is he suggesting that the western tradition is built on violence Or is it the lamentation of violence?  It's crazy There we go It's western culture and defined the society that defined the west down to today It's foundational seminal The Iliad defined the civil okay calm down I mean, I I feel like it's a little bit But it could be a semantics thing. It's not the cornerstone. It's a major major work in western culture It certainly is but I did it define the entirety of it. I don't think so I feel like we would have come away really really similar if this hadn't existed It's hard to say.  I don't know It's just the it could be a semantics issue as well between people Like what words they're using to describe how important it is could be on the same level but using different ones I don't know look of great meaning and great worth It's a cultural touchstone a work without which western literature as we understand it would not exist and yet Okay, so if you take away, okay, so Like if you take away any book Like yeah, sure it wouldn't exist as we know it it would be It would be different. Yeah, any old influential books, of course if you got rid of those other things would change like come on No, yeah, dude, there's no way Layer of bricks this wall might collapse divine comedy Iliad, you know same thing Uh, I feel like if the past was different then the present would be different. You can't say he's wrong If we didn't have the Iliad would never have the cantibary to the really really, okay Yeah, I I feel like saying maybe like like if he was being like, oh if the bible didn't exist society would be totally Fucking different like, okay.   I certainly hope so Yeah, at least the drawings would be better than the bombs He used it to sleep with the lesbians Oh my god, he used to sleep with the greeks lesbians big fans of the Iliad No, that's so so much. Oh of lesbos lesbos. Yes.  Everything is connected. Here. Oh, it's all spiderweb heavy rags It was too heavy like them clapping cheeks That's someone just had uh, imagine how different e-fap would be without the Iliad How it would be No, there's the Iliad doesn't exist I don't know It's about rage It's about anger and violence about destruction wrath In its lines We see the brutal struggle of personal combat and have painted for us a picture of its visceral result We are witness up close and personal to the slaughter of men and the extremities of yeah It talks about how rage can do bad things. There's some other stuff in there, too Yeah Lines he was referring to This is a bunch of rage and jealousy and betrayal. That's what that's what the story's about Is it mean all western societies about that? What does that look like? Ignoring like the honor of warfare. That's a big part of those books. No, it'd be awesome. Yeah Live war and yet again I will say without equivocation. It is a classic and more than that. It's necessary That's right. It was actually wearing a jacket Hi It's um, are they mutually exclusive? I don't I don't know So I guess which part are we talking about specifically right now. I need to be looking at him. He said as a sort of like, um You know It he doesn't want to imply that it's bad. He was like, no it's classic It's important on the rage aspect is important for us to explore and I think he's going to explain why and you can Sort of see set in the the stage for why exploring violence is a plus But I'm assuming that's going to lead him into where is the line? Where are we not allowed to explore? That's the part I'm actually interested in to be honest with you. Yeah Yeah, he's you know He's gotta rush it, but it'll be all right These are a primal part of who we are They are without a doubt part of being human denying that denying them only makes them worse Instead we need to understand and to channel them and sometimes we need an outlet for them All right good so far so good. Yeah. Yeah, so far. Yeah, so good And that's why I've never been against violent video games I will be the first to say that some games approach violence in a more interesting and nuanced way than others And I'll also be the first to say that I don't want games to be limited to being only about violence. What is that on his head? He's got that weird that weird head into this. Hold on.  It's proportion also Might be worth us talking about it now ahead of time, but like, you know killing floor for example rags. I don't um Necessarily when playing that game get a strict sense of just laying off steam and violent stuff A lot of the time it's very mechanical. Like I really enjoy Uh the how do I say this like the the guns doing what they do in response to enemies It's the skin of violence and blood and zombies and stuff that's that's neat But like the actual fun i'm getting is is just how well how well it works mechanically if you know what I mean Yeah gore in and of itself doesn't it's it's nice to have You know like hermitide wouldn't be the same without it gilling floor wouldn't be the same without it. Um But those games are really good because I think they're really mechanically tight And because there's a lot of skill that's there and there's something that can be mastered and learned You can get a clear progression of your skill. Have any of you played flower the game? No Okay, well someone in chat probably has the the game is you play as a leaf in the wind And you have to like blow yourself into flowers collect more petals until you become like a huge petal tornado And uh, you eventually I think you arrive at like a big flower at the end and it completes that was very chill game It's super easy to just just just listen to some music all the soundtrack of the game and just play It's really nice.  No one's on the other end of that argument though Most of that, um, I think it's going towards the idea that it needs to justify itself Why it should be why the violence is included like why is the violence here? What purposes serve? And thing is yeah, that that should be interesting That's an interesting idea to explore and if you're writing a story you should always have include things that are, you know Have a purpose But uh, if I wanted to make a violent game just for the violence's sake, I don't see why that would that should be denied Uh, if I wanted to make that I serve games like that It's gonna be like the epitome of of intriguing games I don't give me wouldn't be any emmy's or something like that But um, it should be made to be allowed It's you know, you shouldn't need a justification to allow violence in the video game There are tons and tons of games without violence in them at all. There are puzzle games.  Like it's not a I'm not saying this is a position, but I could see someone saying not a real game It's just it's just trying to be cool and need and you're like, oh look at you So I was thinking like what if someone was to play it on Alternative mode or or undead mode and you actually you play as a bullet And each of the flowers are replaced with zombie heads and you break through them and the more blood you collect can Eventually be deposited into a big well at the end and you win literally everything else plays the same But the skin changes and now it's suddenly a violent game, right? Like, uh, yeah So the interesting thing I have right here. I guess of like mechanics versus What's being depicted? I suppose And that is that what determines the violence versus I don't know like I mean that skin of something That's very fundamental. Yes understandable Yeah, no, but at a like fundamentally sure right like sure. Yes, you literally cannot have violence if violence is being portrayed right Yeah, I was just clarifying that I guess because I find it interesting that uh It's it's it's a matter of changing You know, this is how they avoid certain ratings in films, right? Like instead of aliens having if they have green blood It can get a way lower rating than red blood Or like the 90s cartoons where they had ray guns instead of real guns Yeah, I think I think that's to do with it Yeah aspects of fantasy make it easier for us to digest it because humans have a Generally humans have a natural empathy towards other humans. So when we see red blood and we it's why That's why rape is a lot more harder to get away with in video games than Then or anything or violence because we have especially men towards women We can have an extreme empathy towards the the plight of a weak individual being taken advantage of in this Distressing emotional way whereas you see a zombie getting blown apart There's no emotional connection there. There's no relation um Well a zombie is human. I would I would like say there's a lot of uh Something that can be looked into there But other enemies. Yeah, I mean like killing floor two weird monster. Yeah. Yeah, I would say that's a better Even no zombies.  That would be a way better angle Uh You could possibly I don't know if that would be discounted in terms of like they're not even alive. They're just animated I don't know Yeah Yeah, um, anyway, well, this is the thing. Um, what else what else would there be to I guess What do you guys think is there any limits to what video game should be allowed to portray? I'd be allowed to is that are illegal if if you were able to restrict games as like a lawmaker Would you want to restrict them in any way? Uh, no, you like this any more than it in already is illegal to do certain things Yeah, yeah, I I think that in terms of like you can't It's like a lot of that. You can't dox people with the video game. Oh, yeah, I guess things like that. Yeah Yeah, I guess I'm not aiming for that. I'm also aiming for portrayals of violence.  I don't think it should be illegal But if everyone saw that game to be like, oh my god, this is disgusting and then no one would buy it and like the video game makers would like Go bust, you know what I mean Yeah, the fallacy note isn't it really isn't I think that video game should adhere to the laws of the places that they're created I think that that does I'm not saying I'm not making moral arguments here Yeah, I'm saying I think that I this is a purely legalist point of view you're designing I'm just saying yeah, if if you build a game Then I think that you should you know not do things that are illegal in it I think do think there needs to be some level of respect for the law and the content and there should be avenues to change that Well, so Well, but then if you are if you're following that argument you can't portray Murder drug use you can't portray things in video games. Yeah, that's not this. I'm assuming right is referring more so to like Yeah, like what I was saying like doxxing can't dox people. Yeah in the video game Would you would you agree that video game are speech Yes The speech and expression. Yeah, it is a method of expression. Yeah Yeah, so then I guess what you're not allowed to say what you're saying that it should be subject to the same Laws as speech in whatever country it's made in is that what you're saying?  Yeah, can we get over this? Yeah and separate the two groups I'm just trying to characterize your argument. I'm really just trying to understand the two different So rags would be okay with portraying doxxing but not actually doing doxxing Yeah, absolutely. Yes, you can't actually dox a real individual using a video game But a character doxing another character is yeah, totally. Yeah Yeah, I fully agree with you Someone said you're being grooved on this the act of doxing something can be I'm not talking about the act I'm talking about actually doing it Yeah, I don't know why anybody had trouble with you saying that I got you immediately like of course People are willing to the worst interpretation of the things that I say sometime Um, so yeah, uh, if they were going to characterize your argument I fully agree if there were a game that's like Extremely high graphic detail and the entire campaign is just uh chopping out and pulling out different parts of a human's body over the course of let's say 20 hours Um You I'm assuming the argument would be yes allowed But you would kind of hope that uh, like let's just say it's entirely built for the disturbing element Like you'd be like damn, I hope this isn't allowed to make that But I hope people wouldn't enjoy it too much. Yeah, and people can criticize it all they want You know, you can make that if you want to. Oh, yeah, absolutely I think however the problem is that making those kinds of games Will it will create black backlash towards them. Yeah That's just that that will be a natural result of trying to push the boundary too far That game exists is called surgeon simulate the surgeon simulate is amazing So you get like um that you get like a um Like the cuties thing, right? You something you make you make something like that Shouldn't make it And then it brings a lot of attention to it, right? It's sort of a it's like, uh If you do something that's really overtly bad People will notice it and i'm not saying cuties is okay and it brought negative attention towards something that shouldn't have it I'm just drawing a parallel here. Um because hatred is obviously one of the examples, uh, that's going to be brought up Uh inevitably, uh, i'm trying to think of what's what because that's the most controversial game for being violent, right? In our recent memory. I don't know if there's anything that beats it out gta 5's torture scene. I think was one of the ones that came up Violence in video games hasn't i'm trying to think of like times just even uh If you want you guys go any examples over the past few years, maybe chat. I don't know It just um feel like we I mean generally Generally games just don't shock people like they used to Postal I think we've just sort of I I guess people have become Less boomery about it. They've become more mainstream and more accepted It's what's it like remember when stuff like um like manhunt came out things like that Oh, no rush. Oh, yeah, that's a great example. Yeah Something tells me that if you were allowed to kill abby in the last of us two people would be really upset about it um well like The other thing is people will mod games to push boundaries like killing children and fallout Yeah, um Yeah, and but I think that goes with a whole if you I think I come like with Bethesda not allowing you to kill kids in the game They have very little to gain from allowing you to do that and they have a lot to Potentially lose from allowing you to do that. Absolutely. So from a business perspective. I totally understand why they did that Yeah, fully super agree with you super completely Yeah, someone mentioned agony agony is very there's those are like Hard-core violence in it, but I don't know if it actually managed to even Get too mainstream in terms of a controversy for that I don't I don't think it was big enough and I think that especially when it released it was just terrible And it was mechanically horrible. Yeah, everyone took a big dump on it so And it and it almost the super violence and it was almost turned into something mocking Because that's sort of what the game what is like shock value violence and weirdness Because the game itself was so mechanically disjointed and uh in bad Yeah, I just so it seems that our position as a team of five here is that you can do it, but Uh, we we would hope that people would raise a sort of flag against a game that seems to exclusively be about Um the pleasure of causing others pain like there's no other element to it. It's just that Like okay a bit weird you got that going there Um, but we want to make it illegal. That's all I wanted to clarify, right?  Is that hatred hatred? Hatred yeah, it is it is. Yeah, that's the one that got that's the last time I remember really controversial because they they stopped selling it on steam for a bit, didn't they? Didn't something happen? I think so I want to say something something happened And they brought it back Yeah, well because if I remember because I remember seeing gameplay footage and I was like, oh I thought it was gonna be way worse than this It's mainly in black and white too Yeah Did anyone play it? Did I play all this planet play it? I wonder I picked it twice. It's pretty fun Is it so we're over the top? You really can't take it seriously. It's like uh, I don't know Remember Quentin Tarantino and when he made like death proof and everything it's kind of like Playing on it's like making fun of some of those tropes and everything. It's kind of like that It's it's kind of making fun of itself the whole edginess though It's making fun of the intended of the audience that the ancient media thought it was kind of catering to it's making fun of you If you if you're into that the big if you're making if you're into the the the big I'm the edgy guy with my big trench coat my long hair and everything If you're one of those edgy people and it's kind of making fun of you in that way Is this is it's so over the top and overblown because you start off with the shooting up your own neighborhood Uh, what is anyone of mine spoilers for this one?   Uh hatred I I didn't like I guess I never gave it enough thought to to arrive at that, uh place But that's a really really great interpretation of hatred Well, if you if you've never if you don't know anything about video games and you've never played them And you hear about hatred. It's like, oh my god.   Then you probably like hatred. So, uh, is it a twin stick shooter? Is that the um genre? You like it's like a top down you run through the neighborhood Yeah, it's top down Um, it's like a Steven Seagal movie of video games pretty much And yes, there's no way you could There's no way you could take the game series the way it's all the uh the dialogue the way it's portrayed the way things It's come about it's this over top. It's like a it's so it's very dark and edgy humor.   We have to stop it. It's the same as um You know when people started to realize that people on the internet will tell you to kill yourself like It was just like Jesus Christ. What what horrors and it's like no that that happens a lot. I don't like what That's like Um But yeah, so that's what shocked everybody and I guess I don't know if this video came out right then actually Is this true? someone in chat said Ask sweden They've had a massive increase in grenade attacks. Is that true? I don't know. I've not heard whether or not. What is a massive increase? I'm gonna google lots of green. Oh, yeah. Anyway, I guess we'll let uh Extra credit to take it from here as approach violence in a more interesting and nuanced way than others And I'll also be the first to say that I don't want games to be limited to being only about violence But I also think it's good that we have violent games It helps us channel our emotions come to catharsis understand who we are and sometimes enact our rage in a space where we hurt Nobody many of us have had an experience. Um I just wanted to clarify again though It doesn't have to be that the only reason we have violence as an aesthetic or Presentation is to get like feelings of repressed violence that we have Off our chairs could just be that you like the setting of violence Yeah, like 99 of the times when I play a violent video game It is not because I have some pent up rage inside of me that I need a safe outlet for It's that I think it's really fun and visually interesting and it's a challenge that I love to try and overcome Yeah Violence is fucking fun If if killing floor was all the guns are a place of water guns and you're firing like water pellets in some way and the enemies are all like Made of sponge or something and they have amount of water You know taken on is what their health is Like the mechanics if they all remain the same Um, I'd still be pretty damn impressed with the game with tips of like Water gun physics But like I don't know it wouldn't have the same appeal. Well, that's the thing. I don't think I'd be as interested I'd be like, I don't know.   I would argue Oh, they can regenerate after being exploded. I guess that's probably the kid friendly aspect. Yeah. Yeah realistic consequences are often what make Uh, some things ratings go higher Yeah, yeah, like like like home alone people get people step on nails They have ricks thrown at them. They get electrocuted to the point of being skeletonized But there's no realistic consequences to it. So it's okay. It's kid violence. Yeah, it's fine. Nobody's nobody's scared Yes Um, and I guess this will probably come up. So maybe I should head And even if it doesn't it's probably worth pointing out That there is a huge difference between people's fantasies and what their actual desires for reality are.  But that doesn't mean we actually want to live in that world Um, yeah, like to be godzilla and smash through a bunch of buildings in a game and then it's like do you want to do that in real life?  It's just a fantasy. Yeah that we control Yeah No, but yeah, exactly what was said earlier.   It's just fantasy Well, that's that's what I was gonna say my first sort of take was more Hey, there's another reason you might do it But now my take is kind of I think it's more so likely That you play it because he's kind of you just have some fun in there Not that you come home from a stressful day of working like I need to kill zombies. I have to you're like, okay Yeah I think it's just that it's fun.  There's something fun about it I would even go as far as saying like I kind of just like the interaction of I pull Like press button thing comes out on screen goes into Thing I'm aiming at and they explode and someone's like that's really violent though. I'd be like, oh, well, I don't know. I just I don't know.  Uh, the new one the brand new one. Oh, yeah Uh real uh real guy guy something guy Well, uh gamer would apply to that though, right because in gamer it's like prisoners Uh in games and the control of the people who play the game. I think that's the idea This is um, well, I that's like you know that you're controlling a prisoner This is more like what I'm talking about is more like ender's game talking about free guy freeman free guy Yeah, what i'm talking about is more like ender's game where you don't know that it's a simulation where like you find out Oh, this is real. I'm causing actual damage. Yeah.    By the way, I don't even think that this is this framing is is one that I would make It's the idea that like we have a choice You can go out instead of going out and hitting somebody you go out and play video game Like whoa, whoa, whoa, I was never gonna hit somebody I feel like calm down It feels so weird.   I really wanted to punch this guy. I want to play a video game It'd be kind of weird I'd be like, oh man, I'm sure I'm sure that guy exists.  No, I think the worst argument would be I bet you are going to hurt someone now because you did that Oh, well if I was unable to do it, which for X amount like I've got a Capacity of violence moving the causation It's really strange. Um, which by the way, I wouldn't want the extra credits guy is that person Well, I wouldn't want to say that it's an impossibility or anything I'm sure there are people out there who do feel that games manage to get them De-stressed and stuff when they want to hit somebody. I'm sure that does happen I just don't think it's as common as they're implying. Oh, yeah. I think that those are Extremely rare cases So when uh, when I was a kid, sorry someone said if only Hitler had a ps4 When I was a kid the guy who wrote the dexter books Uh came to a bookstore and I went to like an event or something whatever like a author signing And it was like q&a. I guess and he spoke and somebody asked him Oh, what do you say to the people that say that you are writing? Uh, particularly because there were some people who killed Like in a dexter-esque way and said they were inspired by dexter to commit some murders at the time Uh, this is like more than 10 years ago. Mm-hmm Same thing with what you say to them Yeah, what do you say to those people that say that you're writing inspires violence? And I think his answer was great and it stuck with me for for all these years He said those people were going to do that already. That's look is not going to make you do that That's I think that's 100 true.  Oh, yeah We say don't do it.  Yeah, I think that it would stop some people from like but we're talking we're not talking about violence We're talking about like trolling on twitter Yeah, I I seriously doubt someone is going to do that anyway would be stopped by me saying not to I think that's fair. No Okay, yeah super super on on board with that But I think if someone like if you were showing something that you disagreed with and some kid in your audience Was like, I'm gonna go uh tweet at this person and just you know, whatever like they come up with that idea independently Directly as a result.  I think it's worthwhile for the dexter right to put that in the book No, no, but we're talking you're talking about two different things You're talking about like someone that already wanted to do something ahead of time And someone that specifically decided to do something because of reading dexter made them think that that's something they could do No, but I don't want to equate killing and trolling. I I don't I don't care I'm asking you the question of if someone what reads dexter and thinks hey There are people you can kill in the world that might make it a better place. I'm gonna do that Then is it worth him putting in the book? Hey, this is actually not a good thing to do In that circumstance, um sure Yeah, so I I would say no I would say like it's not his obligation in his fiction to have like a PSA that you shouldn't do bad things. That's absurd Yeah, you're not Yeah, you're not responsible for how people misinterpret your work Yeah, and so if I'm saying rose tico is a poorly written character and then someone goes I'm gonna attack the actress I'd be like what the fuck like what where did you get that from and just like well You should tell them not to in case they do that which I'm willing to do but I don't think that that's a connection I think that's just a crazy person Okay, I don't think you have an obligation to tell people not to do that But you said you think it doesn't change that someone might do it. I think That it might to some extent. Um, I'd be willing to concede that it might be for you But I would say that you might be able to change someone from doing something horrible as a result of reading a book too Yeah, that's completely different. I would say I would say there's a difference between that and like sending a mean tweet to someone Sorry, I'm just imagining the very end of a clockwork orange like once the credits roll something comes up Oh, by the way, don't do any of this Remember watching bad someone watching the movie goes. Oh, well, I was going to go gang rape woman, but I guess I won't now I guess I hadn't really considered her feelings, huh? Um, the other thing is when you say oh rose whatever bad character You're there's no part of you that's saying hey go attack this person But if someone comes to the decision. Hey, I'm going to go attack the actress as a result of how many people are saying the character is bad That that's a little bit different than like I'm going to give a depiction of violence and someone says I'm going to go commit violence because of this I actually think I take the reverse position of yours because at least in dexter They're actually arguing the benefits of killing evil people While I'm not even remotely coming to the subject of attacking characters Actors. No, that's but no that is my position.  Maybe I said it bad, but like that's exactly what I'm saying I'm trying to suggest that you're nowhere and you're saying anything like Attack these people Yeah, um, which but the idea that like if I put it well That's why it's it's good to do for many reasons that I put out that you shouldn't do that If even if there's one person's mind that's changed it's worthwhile because it doesn't cost me anything Yeah, we fully agree. We are in complete agreement Um, I just I still assign it to be crazy thinking Um, maybe you could say it's covered by immature thinking as well to a degree. And so they just need a guiding hand or some kind Yeah, like if I attack the actress, it'll be some kind of benefit to the I don't even I don't even know what they're trying to achieve just to annoy the actor.  I consider evil. They'd be like no That's crazy. Yeah But like no, yeah, we're talking about uh like someone uh deciding to Troll someone or attack someone online is tangential from Making a bad review of something that they did Uh, it it you're never ever saying you know what you should attack this person online and then saying Hey, but by the way, don't do that.  I'm more inclined to blame the director anytime an actor is bad I'm sorry. Yeah, I might have said that wrong. I never mind You wouldn't you wouldn't know that that's necessarily what I said about uh rostiko, but yeah. Yeah, uh, what is your name? Sorry, someone said murder is wrong now. It's political correctness gone mad Yeah, I just want to be clear. I think we are agreeing Yeah, uh, I guess we're here because of um the idea of like Well, I'm not sure how to draw this back to x-crash because I'm not entirely sure how we got here anymore But the whole Sorry if I'm being difficult. I know it's fine. Uh, if if uh, if you're playing violent video games It's likely that you did it rather than hurting someone. I'm gonna roll it back because it's such a weird thing to say Sometimes enact our rage in a space where we hurt nobody Many of us have had an experience where we were left frustrated or angry and instead of going out and just hitting somebody We played a game. We tore it up in a multiplayer match or we blasted our way through a tough level It's possible, but like geez Yeah, like I I feel like this is really really stretching if For oh, it's almost like yeah, sure There's enough people playing games that it's basically a statistical inevitability that that person will exist eventually Yeah, I suppose he said many which allows him some freedom because how many is many, right?   Oh, yeah, everybody feels that everyone feels it at some point.  That's a powerful thing. It's valuable It's something we shouldn't just toss aside and beyond even this games can serve not only as an outlet for our rage But also help us to understand it when james was young earthbound was one of the first things that really made him think About these angry violent feelings and what people probably understand their rage If you well, especially in his scenarios, someone made you angry and you played a game And now you understand your every like what because they pissed you off I guess I think people know what makes them angry most of the time most of the time like we can trace our anger directly back to the source Yeah, like someone someone comes to the face and you're like, oh, I'm angry now They do to the world pacifist runs in games like skyrim or world of warcraft or the pacifism achievement And geometry wars help us to understand that there are alternatives to violence and games like No one had ever considered that until yeah, because when I when I learned that when I was like four um, like just strategically getting the things that I wanted Hitting my parents wasn't going to make those things. I picked up on that one pretty quick I was telling there was alternatives to violence. Come on. I didn't learn that there was an alternative to violence until I watched a playthrough of skyrim on pacifist run. I'm a toxic man. You gotta teach me these things. Okay I love that geometry wars taught us that there's an alternative path to violence Uh that really helped us understand our rage, you know, can we just yeah, thank you geometry wars That's one of the one of the things I've always appreciated about it ASX or the metal gear series even encouraged that we find a way to do the least harm Violence in games has value and games themselves can help us understand and channel what can oh shit. That's coral Yeah Ragebending Is Constantine right, I think so that's literature devil I remember when they filmed that That's my old neighbor. I mean I mean when they filmed that movie it was pretty cool Everyone all the demons kind of uh gathered up and they started killing us. It was kind of weird Wow, did they pay for that? Did you oh, no wow It was communist pretty well kept by the way.    Sure Do you think it's all right that you step on these poor creatures in your mario game? Yeah, that's the servants of the dark lord bowser. They get what they deserve, mother I wouldn't play this pack of his version. No son.  No core toucher the enemy The game is trying to teach you that if you spare them you will be punished People in chat are bringing up Ender's game again. I think I think that's a great example of What like this topic? I think extra credits legitimately thinks that people don't learn anything else I'll be honest with you. I didn't really I don't feel like Playing games when I was younger gave me a better view on how violence works.  So This was bad. Okay Shooting all the civilians not cool Don't do that in real life. It's bad I thought shooting civilians was the good thing to do. Yeah, the game taught me that what?  I'll nail it We start the game son and shoot all the civilians. They shoot you and you'll survive Now I want to talk about the game hatred. I think hatred is going to be a terrible game not only because What do you say you said hatred you think hatred is going to be a terrible game After it's out I think hatred is going to be a well I think that's what prompted this video Isn't it like it's the idea of how how bad does the game have to get before we start saying hey This is wrong. Well, since it's called from violence to sadism, I'm assuming the point is going to be That like it's violence for violence's sake, which is bad. I'm assuming that's the point he's going to make. I don't know Terrible game not only because I doubt it's actually going to be well made But also because hatred the game is not about rage It's actually not even about violence really hatred as it's been advertised is about sadism And sadism is not the same thing as anger not even close Um, I isn't it up to the player of the game to determine whether or not it's sadism Yeah, what it's about is kind of hard to be definitely definitive about in terms of what a player gets out of it experience-wise So say it's just so clear sadism is the tend the tendency to derive pleasure, especially sexual gratification From inflicting pain suffering or humiliation on others So it is no one's suffering. It's so yeah, so you can't by definition Have sadism it's almost like faux sadism. It's it's pseudo sadism It's it's the appearance of doing things that are bad without actually doing it Um, but granting that because I think it's probably what he means Come on. Do you remember the trailer from from hatred? He's like, I have no name. My name is not important My I just see this world and everything in it. Like this is not this the trailer is so goofy How in the world did they take that seriously and thought this game would be like a straight edge shoot-em-up game I'm just gonna be taking place like oh, this is a obviously the creators manifesto or something No, you can tell by the trailer how goofy it over top. It's going to be.  You'll say it doesn't tend to see only Yeah, you would yeah, if anything he should be using the exact same argument for it being a safe For a safe release of our rage to be a safe release of our sadism Yeah, too Safe to go out and do it in the real world. Uh, that gave me that for them. Okay, two killer arguments. I love how we arrived at hatred to Like before him before any of us knew I guess besides mauler if you watched the video ahead of time Uh before any of us knew hatred like we talked about it already Oh, yeah, that's like the ultimate example. Yeah, because that is that's probably again That's what would have sparked this video's creation. The only other thing I could remember was uh, The gta 5 torture scene and no russian. They're like the biggest controversies for violence. I think in the past How long is that the past like five six years? I don't know. Let me uh, uh Probably more than that for mom will fit you it came out in november of 2009 Mom will fit you we're already got 11 years ago.  That's like his problem. Yeah Yeah, um, so what i