What am I watching? I'm going to Disney World in a few days, and I swear if I don't finish the show before I go I'm gonna see Mickey Mouse, and I'm gonna Bro, I just noticed this the name of the first episode is called the strongest man and that a season finale is called the Sibliga the strongest hero. All right. I'm done talking. It's time Damn if this was any of those weak motherfucker side character villains from the beginning What was the name Rhino man?  Bro, this is gonna be this whole episode. I have a feeling. Oh I bet appraise this animation because I know it's not coming back next season Bro, you would think this is a build-up for 12 episodes. This dude just came out last episode This feud literally just began You got the Thomas respect. I don't care what's going on down here.  Who are you am I missing something is the season 2? Where were you the entire show buddy steroid man? Oh I love her so much Dude, I thought me and my friends were ugly. Nah, man. This is literally me and my friends in high school This is what we looked like. This is our group now.   What are you doing? Genos Haven't you learned nothing for Zatama?  I knew DACA quiz in this Coming next bro. There's still time for cum stain man. There's still time. I Don't care what's going on down here.  Why is he still making why? Yo, you know what you were doing with that stick right there, you knew exactly what you were doing man Now they're doing something where they need two episodes to charge up Wow, they went all out this episode man Wait, where's the intro? Are we not doing the intro anymore?  Do you hear that? No stop it All right, they're done for the episode. We're done down there, right?  Where did he get so many arms? He has seven arms. God wait. This is the intro They skipped the intro and they're playing it during the show I'm not gonna be okay. Oh my god. This is insane. This is the most metal thing.  Did you see this? Is this the same show as art of art man and ballsack kid Do you see how far we've come from that to this like a pair of ballsack kid to this did I see these things? Correlating did I see these two things happening on the same show? I would have I would spit on you. I Don't even care if I get copyright struck. I'm definitely gonna get struck look at this animation.   I've ever seen they skipped the intro and instead of playing the intro They put the music over the fight Why am I looking at chat? I'm not even live. I Don't want to go to Disney World anymore.  What am I watching? Where's channels?    Why is he playing with a rock?   I felt like I stepped on the moon Now he's pink.  Stop it. Stop bro.  Why does everyone have their shirt off? Is this what happens when there's a word when there's world destruction? How but why does she take hers off join the crowd? Where does mouth go He's so OP. He's losing facial features. Why is he smiling?  I feel like I lost my virginity I'm second of normal punches That's normal This is the most lit time I'll ever have in my life. What am I watching?     All right. I'll be calming down now Are we done? I Think I've had like six different types of heart attacks during this episode. Why is his face look like this? Thank God Where do you do in the entire time BTS man, what were you dropping a new track?  That's all he's been doing bro. He fought King Neptune in the other episode and now he's just there Why are you standing like that next to a child bro, where's Evan?   Is that come stain man?  I thought we were done.  This was us So I can't even hate I Think this was me in my friend group.  He fought God himself. Oh, I love you. I Gotta go to the doctor after this I gotta get a checkup. I don't think I'm okay anymore after this show This show is gonna be the death of me He acts like he just got back from getting up slice of bread I'm gonna need to go to a shrink.  I would pay her to do that to me Let me know in the comments. Would you guys pay her to do that to you? I'm not the only one Aaron Aaron yeah, what were you doing this whole time moving Ryder? What were you doing? You saved one little child?  This is number two for sure.  Let me know down below what you thought a season one of one punch man Did you love it? Did you hate it?  They did enough this season I don't care what happens a season two three five or fifty-five. I don't care season one That was legendary every episode was good. How many shows could you say every episode is good?  That's it one punch man. You're the goat. You are the goat


Morning class, I'm Will Kemp from Will Kemp Art School and today we're going to have a look at this picture to try and decide which brushes are going to be best to get the best results whilst working with acrylics. Here's an array of brushes but often when you go to the art store you see them all and you don't know which one to pick up or which one to start with. When you look at a brush for the first time and you feel it, it's often quite hard and it's because it's given a protective coating just to keep it in its shape. So what I often do is just use my thumb to break that and then I test the flickability of it, how much it springs back. This gives you a good idea of how it will handle when you're working with paint. Different paints behave differently and are different thicknesses. So an oil paint will be the thickest and then acrylics still thick but not as thick as oil paints and watercolours are the easiest to move around. So that basically means that you need stiffer hairs on your brush to move oil paints than you do watercolours. So traditionally with oils you'd use hog hair brushes. So this is a hog hair here and you'll see if you listen to that. That's often how I test a brush so I know what it is, it's the sound of it and the feel. So if you look at this one here, I might be able to play a tune out of these. So if we look at the difference here, this is a pure hog. This one is a mix between hog hair and a synthetic and this one is one which is mostly synthetic which has been designed to use for acrylics. So you'll see how the hog more used for oils has got that stiffness to it. This one which is also designed for oils has got a stiffness to it but a bit more of a softness if you look at the edge of it. And this one for acrylics is again softer still. One thing you'll notice that's the same between all of these is the curve at the top of the brush. This means it is called a filbert brush, this is the type of brush. This is very useful for painting. So if we were painting this cloud area with a filbert it means that you can paint onto the edge and you just use this edge here to feather it. You can just blend parts really really easily and you won't leave such a hard line that you would do if you use what's called a bright or a flat brush. You see how it's got this square edge to it? To try and blend with a flat is very hard because these edges cause the paint to push out to either side of the brush. And it will be harder for you to blend it. What the flats are very good for is if I was blocking in this area of the blue is that I can kind of scrub it very very hard and block it in very quickly. So what we'll do is we'll block this in with a flat then when we start to work on the cloud and blend more bits you can change it to the filbert. The one of the brush that you'll use is a round brush. It's quite a small one. This round is just a little round sable brush and you'll see there it's got a nice spring to it but it's very soft to the touch in comparison to say the hog hair brush. This means that when you're blending what you can do is just very subtly feather the edges and it won't make a brush mark and you can just get a very smooth transition. If you try to do that with the oil brush you know of course you do that and you get all the brush marks that show up. So for getting the fine details say this edge of the shape here or maybe some of these lines I'd use a round that you can just follow the shapes very easily and then swap to the filbert to block them in. We've seen how to mix colours, what brushes we're going to use. Now all we need to do is draw it out and start painting.


Live from Vancouver, Canada, it's theCUBE at OpenStack Summit Vancouver 2015. Brought to you by headline sponsors EMC and Joypling by Red Hat and Cisco with additional sponsorship by Brocade and HP. And now your host, John Furrier. Okay, welcome back everyone. We are live here in Vancouver, British Columbia for the OpenStack Summit. This is theCUBE. This is SiliconANGLE's flagship program. We go out to the events and extract the signal from the noise. I'm John Furrier, the founder of SiliconANGLE. I'm joined with CUBE alumni and previous guest, Monty Taylor, distinguished technologist of HP Cloud Group. Welcome back. You got to be a distinguished technologist. I mean, you don't want to be non-distinguished, right?  Obviously you've been involved. You've been on theCUBE many times. Thanks for coming and spending your lunch hour. My pleasure. I know you're super busy. Appreciate it. We're trying to get the data, share that out to the audience out there. We're on the ground. We're seeing everything. We're seeing, you know, Randy Bias talking to Lee Tucker, huddling over there doing a deal. It's a lot of super-duper action going on. Biz dev, every session, people are literally on the floor. Oh yeah. So it's got that vibe of like... It's absolutely insane. There's so many people running around doing so many things. And I don't know if this is coming across to you as well, but it's so exciting to me how many more of the people who are doing things are the users and the deployers actually doing this.  There's actually, and we got PayPal running all their stuff on top of OpenSec. That's real stuff. It's really happening. And everybody here is talking with each other. They're talking about their actual businesses. Yeah, and we were, you know, Mark Collier wrote a tweet. Oh, Opus Tech Community is mature. I'm like, what?  Come on, it's not mature. I ain't ever going to be mature. I'm not mature. I'm 49 years old. I'm still 18, but my wife would say, you know, another kid in the house. But no, but this is evolution, right? So it's maturing. So Stu and I had a long commentary on Mark's comments saying it's complete BS. It's not mature. Long ways to maturity. However, it's maturing. You're seeing demos on stage that are live, more use cases for diverse use cases, more production, not just POCs. No, it's in production. It's a building mode. It's playing the folks out there. Where are we? Because this is an important distinction when you see an event, like I mean, certainly a great venue in Vancouver. But when you have people in session, sitting on the floor, you have real production. It's in full build out mode. And explain that dynamic. No, it's huge.  I think I've got eight or 10 different public cloud accounts from providers across the world. So like I just added an account on for my stuff with the United Stack from China. Got the OVH guys are rolling out a thing in Europe. Like it's, that's blowing out. So what you wind up having here is you have, you know, you have Martin McLean's 101 on Neutron talk where he's just going through basic things. And it's literally spelling out the door because the big guys are getting their stuff up and running. Now everybody says, okay, it's worthwhile for me to dive in and figure out how to do. And they want to know, they want to know what it means. They want to know what the stuff is. We get people in here. This is their first summit. This is their first exposure to how all this works. And they can't get enough. They can't get enough information, right? There's so much to get. They're so motivated. They're so hungry for learning things. And it's really exciting to get that vibe. And this crosses over the POC kind of will open stack scale because now it's scaling, if you will. You start to see things like certification. That's a proof positive that there's demand to start vetting out and putting some, you know, certification. Exactly. So people update their LinkedIn profile, open stack certify. I mean, but that's a market. It's certifiable. I don't know. Certifiable. It really is. And the other thing too, as we're seeing lots of different people, it was one thing when it was just HP and Rackspace doing this, right? But now that we've got, you know, eight, 10, 12, 20 clouds, the patterns start to emerge. Okay, what is it? What does the people really are doing? Because we can sit around talking at a bar about what it should be. But now we're actually seeing what it is. You know, what are the patterns that are emerging? And that's sort of helping the deaf core folks to really be able to drive that definition of, okay, here's what you can expect. If you're building your business on top of this, you're building your app on top of this, you can expect these things. We're seeing them actually emerge in the market and emerge in the ecosystem. One thing I'd like you to comment on, Martha, you've been involved in the growth and the momentum involved in the technical committee and all the board stuff and Eileen as well. You guys have been great, great, great supporters. HP, huge contingent contributing in boatload of code. So, you know, golf clap for that. But I want you to talk about the dynamic between this community. There's still the founding core DNA of people who are involved in OpenStack, who shepherded it to that early adopter mode now across the chasm. And then also now the new dynamic, HP being there from the beginning, but still a big company. HP, you got IBM, you have Red Hat, Cisco, Intel's making some security announcements this morning. You got Oracle. So, I mean, you have big whales coming in and the tide is lifting all the boats. So, talk about that dynamic. And compare and contrast that founding DNA yourself and others that are still here. The founders are still around. You have new blood. What does that do to the community? I think it's actually, it's really important. It's a really good question. I think one of the things that we focused on from the very beginning, in addition to building great software, which obviously we want to do, was to build that community and to make a place where IBM and HP and Cisco can all come together and work on this thing collaboratively. So, that's actually been one of the goals, you know, since day one. And I think we did a really good job of nailing that. So, you get to the point where we've got, you know, we've got Fish at Oracle now, right? Like, he's been there. He was in the original ANSO Labs startup that, you know, that did work for NASA. You know, I'm at HP. We've got, you know, we've got all of us, because we created that ability for collaboration, we're not having to get rid of the sort of initial startup folks to be able to ride the wave of success that we've got with the big company. And at the same time, it doesn't mean that it's just the initial, it's not that important to things that I'm here personally. I've done my stuff and I can still be involved, but the community also can bring in new blood and all of these companies, especially all these companies that are multinational, that are worldwide, that's a whole different viewpoint on what you might want to do and what might be important to you. You got all these big clouds spinning up in China and India. They've got a different worldview than I do. And that's, and if we can bring them in and their energy and excitement as well. And also the balance of power too, when you have that passion of the early founders, if you will, like say founders, but the early community guys, it's a balance of power because now if the big boys come in, big boys come in and they start throwing their weight around, the community has this nice balance to it because there's rules of engagement if you will, right? They really are.  Like we've actually set out the rules. So we actually, most of the time, don't need to call anybody to task because it's really clear the benefits and value to them from coming in and actually participating. Talk about some of the changes that have happened. Obviously it's big tent, the main tent, what they call it. And you had kind of the loose integrated approach which is kind of like, took on its own life of its own, but really was kind of a de facto way to do updates. And the power that the big guys now bring as well because also they're contributing HP, for example, you guys get props, I don't think you get enough props, but you guys donate a boatload of code. So this notion of voting with your code or contributing with code has value, but also you have now real niche and or scoped performance. Cisco brings X to the table, Brocade brings something to the table, HP brings something to the table, and IBM brings something to the table, Oracle brings something. Now each with their own agenda, how do they differentiate? How does OpenStack enable this new model with the big tent, the main tent, whatever it's called for folks to cooperate and compete at the same time, AKA, co-opetition? Yeah, so that's an excellent question. One of the things that we, I think that we accomplished with the big tent or that we set out to accomplish with that is to separate the question of who is OpenStack? Who are the people doing this? Who are we from the idea of the code itself? Because people come in with a great idea and they say, hey, I'm IBM, I want to do this thing or I'm HP, I want to do this thing over here. And we were having to bless that idea just to bring them into the party, right? And that's, we don't want to be in the business of a blessing. We want to let the, we sort of want to let the market sort that out. Like that's really important for that competition to be able to take place in the outlining areas, even where on some things like Nova, not really particularly interested in lots of new competing projects to do the same thing as Nova because that's really important to our users. We need both of those things. We need a vibrant competition because that's how you get better products. But ultimately once our users start depending on something like Nova, then we need to make sure that that's going to be solid and a thing that our users can count on. So I think a lot of this is about focusing on our end users and focusing on people doing applications on top of it and making sure we're serving them. Yeah, and that's also the focus of getting quality releases out of OpenStack. That's exactly right. So you get the quality going. So I got to ask you, what's the quality aside? You get some nice machinery. You get the certifications. Some say we were a little bit late to the game, but Jonathan was even admitting that, hey, we should have done that earlier, but it's moving fast now, great. Now let's talk about the marketplace, right? Technology's shifting. You have the three layers, infrastructure as a service, platform as a service and software as a service. I mean, people always use that as a way to kind of put people in boxes. Oh yeah, that's a pass. That's Cloud Foundry. That's all blurring. When you have a service oriented architecture like the cloud, you have a service architecture. Can you comment on what your views are on the service oriented approach? Because if you look at it as a service architecture, then you don't really care about layers. Or do you? You want resources. No, you don't care about layers. It's really great for people writing blog posts. It's really great for people making taxonomies and selling consulting services, I think. They like to use acronyms and point at that. Ultimately people getting stuff done, they're wanting to get resources.  If you're doing image transcoding for a big media pipeline like the digital film tree folks were showing us yesterday, you're not thinking about is this a pass or is this an IaaS? You don't care. You want to transcode your images. I couldn't be more thrilled with looking at the demo they showed earlier today of Magnum running on top of Ironic. So bare metal and containers. Everybody's like clouds about VMs. We just added both bare metal and containers and here the two of them are playing directly with each other because it's a way for you to get your job done. They're all elements. But they really are. This is how customers are talking. I mean this is the language of the builder, right? So let's take that to another level. Explain to the folks out there that they're trying to grok the whole cloud thing around those three layers and how does that translate? What is a service architecture? As someone who's a builder, it's just a toolbox. What is it? How do you describe that? It's tools behind APIs. So much of it is about the self-service aspect. The traditional IT, you call somebody on the phone. You say, hey, I think I want some computers and they go, okay, well I'll take it for you and two weeks later you do it. So you just had a huge investment in time and resources to try something. In this case, you put these tools in the hands of the makers and inside of the companies whether they're sysadmins, whether they're developers. I think we use the word developer a lot. But actually cloud is just as much of a tool for an ops sysadmin person as it is for developers. It's engineering, right? I mean you call whoever. That's exactly right.  And you enable the engineers to do things without much red tape. That allows them to have a new idea and execute on it. And then as you see that come to fruition, they say, oh, this is a really great idea. This has driven our business to a wonderful place. Then you've got the tools to even scale those things out in a supported way in production without having to completely re-engineer everything after the fact. So it really allows for agility and speed of reaction. Let's talk about some of the conversations in the quote, engineer, or developer. Software and community, where software is driving everything. We're showing it at our crowd pages, AngularJS component. We have a node front end with CrowdChat and got Java on the back end. Let's talk about code bases. Java's got a good function for heavy lifting stuff, Angular with real time, and then node for IO. So I got to ask you, in this API based economy, what is some of the tooling, what are some of the things that are going on at the front end to make the cloud really render well in terms of whether it's visualization or whether it's using services. What's the tooling of choice? I mean obviously Angular just throw that in there because we just showed you the demo. We've got the right after, right after the lunch break here, there's a guy, in fact I was talking about yesterday, Michael Kroetschek's leading and design summit session on what our AngularJS story is inside of OpenStack. OpenStack's UI, Project Horizon, has been incorporating more and more of it, but they've been incorporating it in the context of the Python based web framework they've been using. And so now the question is okay, how about we look at what the real story for this wants to be, right? And how do we engage with that? You look at other things that other ways people are interfacing with things. Google has the go language also showing up here. Mozilla just released Rust as a 1.0. So the world of that is moving just at a breakneck pace, but the key about all of these new things is they all have built in understanding of REST APIs.  You look at AngularJS, it knows it's not just you can do anything because it's a programming language, it has primitive built in to be able to do that, which positions things like OpenStack really well because the trading currency inside of OpenStack is REST APIs. So you can make, you can do that from JavaScript, you can do that from anything you want to. And that's enabled, built in native into the platform. That's exactly right. So this is the modern tooling, basically. This is the modern tooling. This is the way it all works. And with that as a commonality, everything can talk to these APIs. And we don't have to get into this language lock-in war. If your business wants to be Java-based, if your business wants to be .NET-based, doesn't matter. You can use these APIs and you know how to do it. And that's the beautiful thing. I mean, we were just talking about Azure potentially coming in and putting something on OpenStack. So OpenStack is really out there now where you can bring anything in. You can run a .NET with components. This is the service architecture. That's exactly right. And we want to be that place that allows you to have a sort of common interface for getting all those things done so that you can worry about your applications. You can worry about your business. You can worry about the thing that you're doing rather than spending all of your time worrying about different, you know, what's the language on the back end and how is that going to affect my ecosystem? Well, people are going to be bolting in a lot of different things whether it's third party kind of tooling and you got analytics in real time and you go to self-driving cars. Things are going not from near real time, but real time. All kinds of analytics solutions are all going to be done at wire speed or whatever you want to call it. So real time is huge. Yeah, you look again at the digital film tree demo from yesterday and the transformation that was making into that media pipeline. They're filming in real time, sending dailies into the cloud, processing them in another city and sending them back to be included in afternoon. That's just the mind shift that is for all of them and what that allows them to do. And that's sort of an obvious one because they used to courier around tapes. But, you know, the same thing is true in all of the rest, you know, banking and retail. So I got to ask you, I mean, this is the build out dream right now. It's a nirvana for builders and engineers right now. That's why the sessions are packed. Reminds me again, the old, early VMware days. I've seen the Microsoft community in the 90s was the same way.  They've seen a lot of creative opportunities and also hardcore build outs for, you know, a lot of the transformation people are talking about. So I got to ask you, you know, you're in the industry as an individual, also you work for HP. What are the conversations that you guys are having at HP? And you guys are doing a lot of work on OpenStack, contributing a lot of code. What are some of the conversations you're having with customers? Where is the utopia of building out right now? It's like, it's a maker fair, if you will, of cloud, whatever you want to call it. And just goofing on maker fair was just this past weekend. I mean, it's an engineering dream. A lot of stuff's happening. What's going on? What's your take on this? And what conversations can you share that kind of highlight this revolution of building out? So in general, when I go sit with customers and I interact with them, the themes that come out of that, I have a lot to do with that. The thing we mentioned earlier, that sort of self-sufficiently, they all know that the world of business, the world of commerce these days is moving at a breakneck pace and they've got to keep up with it. And the slower their systems are to be able to react to their developers and their developers putting out new applications is they're dead in the market if they do that. And they all know that. And so they want to get onto the cloud bandwagon as quickly as possible, but that doesn't mean that they initially know what that means for their business. So not only is it, to your point, sort of a maker fair for the engineers, but this is actually a business transformation moment. This is people looking at what does it mean to move faster? How do we think about that? Think about funding cycles. Think about how that works in finance and how you think about strategic planning when you can turn around something in a week rather than six months. That's a whole different business mindset. And so in as much as we've got the engineers going in and building out these clouds, at the same time we're talking to the business side of the coin about how they need to start thinking about their businesses differently and how they can take advantage of. Because ultimately if they just install a cloud and don't think about it in business terms, they've given their engineers a great fun playground, but what's the point? So I got to ask you also, as you know theCUBE we're really big on women in tech. We've been covering a lot of it for years before. It's fashionable now, I guess fashionable. People use it as more of a political thing, but it's a lot of great women in tech. And now with the scope and diversity of the solution and use cases, it's just not IT guys building stuff. It's really not. You have women who are coding up to analysts with big data kind of converging together. So there's a huge squath of opportunity for women in tech. What are you guys doing there, HP? What's some of the things that OpenStack that you see happening that are compelling that you can share? So we've actually been making a really big push on this in OpenStack. We're big supporters of the OPW program, which used to be called something else and I can't remember what it is because it's just OPW to me. But so we've got OPW interns because part of the solution is getting a good pipeline in. We're also doing a lot of work on things like codes of conduct and things of that nature to make sure that we're creating a collegial environment and not one that feels adversarial. We don't want the excellent women engineers to come in and feel like they're just in an old boys' club where everybody's in a locker room or something like that. And that's a thing that the community has to come together and understand and value. And I've been really excited to see this. There was a women in OpenStack. There's been several women in OpenStack events this week already. We do them, it's not just here at the summit.  There was a great session this morning, in fact, where everybody broke off into things to see about how can we do that and there's some really concrete suggestions on how we can structure the community. HP are also in my team and the other teams around where we're focused on making sure that we're providing opportunities at all levels.  Yeah, we've got scholarship programs for that. How does that work? There's only so many things at HP that I honestly have no idea. But you're giving out cash or code? We're giving out, we're funding people to work on things and also trying to have that provide then a pipeline into hiring opportunities.  That's not particularly. All right, so the final question I got to ask you, share with the folks the things they should know about HP Cloud that they may not know about. I mean, besides the fact that you guys are probably one of the biggest contributors to OpenStack, what are the things that you guys doing that people may or may not know about that you'd like to share? We're doing just about everything. We've got the public cloud, which is going strong.  We've got managed private things that we're doing for people, bunch of private cloud deployments. A large reason that I mentioned all three of those is that ultimately each of our customers and especially the sizes, as you might imagine HP's customers are, they're a single solution for a problem that doesn't work for any of those customers. You need a little bit of everything. I mean, the digital film tree, I'm just, they were so awesome, but I point at them, but they're a really good example of that. They've got a private cloud, they're doing bursting to public, and that's a really great example for what a lot of the enterprise customers really need. They've got different workloads. So we're focusing a lot on making sure that we're solving each of those things. There's a resource tool. There's a resource tool. They want resources and they want to get to them by API. Services and resources that are programmable. That's exactly right. And that's in having the tooling on the front end. It's all kind of coming together. So we're doing all of those things and we're out there, you know, out there kicking it every day. All right, so I got to ask a personal question. What are you most excited about right now in the industry right now? What gets you excited?  So as a distinguished technologist, I love the joke on the title. I know you're goofing on yourself on that, but no, seriously, you've been in a trend, you're involved in a lot of stuff. What's getting you pumped up about?  I mean, obviously I'm excited about Open Sack, but that probably goes without saying, is that particularly interesting thing to come out of my mouth. I do think a lot of the stuff that's going on in the container space is especially exciting. I think that the combination of those things. So I think that the landscape of containers and VMs and bare metal and having all of those available across an infrastructure, I think that's really great. I think a lot of people want us to make that into a bloodbath, but I think that actually watching the people work on projects to stitch those together, that's actually entertaining. Is Docker going to take over the world? No, Docker's not going to take over the world. It doesn't work for everybody's workload, but is Docker really... It's enabling a lot of standardization. It's enabling a lot of standardization in a lot of places. So you integrate that. But it's not the end of the game.  No, there's no end of the game. He's still working hard. The fact that the game keeps expanding every single day, and the fact that we're seeing innovation in places that I'm pretty sure we weren't expecting to see innovation, I mentioned Rust from Mozilla earlier. I'm a huge fan of that. It's a statically compiled language for doing things very similar to C. Who thought we'd be seeing innovation in that space? Yeah, I mean, it's this code for everything, but it's fantastic. You brought a bloodbath and this is interesting.  It's like if it bleeds, it leads unless they say in the media business, but there's really not a bloodbath mentality in this market because there's so much growth. Bloodbaths happen when there's constricting markets. That's exactly right. So what's happening here is there's so much fruit on the tree, there's so much beach head. That's the container argument.  No, containers aren't killing VMs.  They do different things. What's exciting is that we're actually, the containers have now reached the maturity point where people are starting to make those sort of erroneous kinds of thoughts. Now we've actually got choices for the consumers, and they can do all sorts of exciting things, and that's how much that's changing every day is. So growth is there, there's large future growth coming, so it's evolving and then maturing. Definitely crossed over. Monty, thanks for coming on. I appreciate it. My pleasure, anytime. Monty Taylor, the Distinguished Engineer at HP Cloud. Great person to always have on theCUBE. He's been involved in the Foundation, Board, Technical Committee, again, grassroots in the core, kernel in the community is growing, growing, adding new blood. Thanks for joining on theCUBE. We'll be right back after this short break.


I would like all the delegates to note that this is the current experiment that is going on on a very large scale. I am so happy that Professor Ashok Jilmala's initiative has resulted in well-known faculty members going directly to the students. As you know, we have been doing teachers training for a long time, and we trained 10,000 teachers exactly using the same mode, but he has ventured to go out to a large number of teachers, a large number of students directly using a large number of well-known teachers. Now that's an extraordinary initiative and that will give us much more valuable feedback on, as Professor Russell said, what may not work and what needs to be tweaked. As I mentioned yesterday, IIT Bombay MOOCs courses would be offered, but we would be necessarily limiting our first pilot to at most 100,000 students going directly to students. So I will request the State Technical University Vice Chancellor's and Dean's to determine which of their colleges would be perhaps ready to take these courses and we'll get back to them later on more details. With this, may I now request Professor Khincha to kindly lead the panel discussion on affiliating universities that are ideally suited to harness technology to improve quality. Actually they are ideally suited to harness everything because they are the ones who are directly in charge of the education of so many colleges. So it's an oxymoron to some extent, but there are issues that need to be discussed and I will request Professor Khincha, Dr. Anandan, Pawanagarwal, Praveen Prakash, may I request the Vice Chancellor's of STU's present here, any two of them to volunteer to join the panel discussion please. Anyone, if Vice Chancellor's are not there, any senior representative from the university, please. Thank you. So without further ado, I'll request Professor Khincha to take charge. All yours sir. Good morning to all of you. Tough job. We have a very distinguished seventh panelist over here and total time given is about 40 minutes. That's the time that is given to us. So it is a very tough job and I think tough job for all the panelists also. And I'll start taking maybe two minutes and I'll request each one of my panelists to probably speak for about two and a half to three minutes each. Because I say three minutes will make it five minutes and then probably we'll throw it open to the audience for interactions for about ten minutes. That is my schedule. I'll probably just take my two minutes as the chairman's prerogative or the coordinator's prerogative. We've been talking about this technology in education for yesterday and this morning for about an hour. But if you see education and universities in the same tone as the media houses or the newspapers that have all changed, thoughts come that the universities also will change in the same way. But it is not true because if you see the trend of the admissions that is going on into top universities, the competition is getting tougher.  The enrollments throughout the world is increasing in the universities. And there is premium paid for graduates who come out first with universities. So the universities probably will not find that type of change as happened to the media houses and to the newspaper or to the music industry. But still transformation of universities is inevitable. That is for sure. For all of us we agree that transformation is inevitable. And we talk about this transformation of change by talking about different things. We talk say that we need more technology in education. We say that we need online education. We need these hybrid types of educations. We need to replace traditional departments with maybe problem solving type of departments. We talk of different solutions for this. But to my mind I think probably the change is required in structures and operating models of universities. I think that that is very critical. The structures and operating models of the universities and what are these new structures and what are these new operating models of the universities is the thing that probably we should be debating upon. Today if you talk about the education system, the online education system, it is nothing but broadcast and browse, publish and browse. This is all the online education is all about today. Probably we have to go much beyond this publish and browse model of the online education system or the online system. We have to also probably think about moving from the mass production to mass customization of education, the mass customization of education. Students at present they want to learn, but they want to learn only from what they want to learn from. And also they want to learn in the way they want to learn. So the syndrome of the doctor knows best or the professor knows best of what to teach probably will need to be changed. And that syndrome that I know the best, therefore I teach you what I want to teach you. I think that probably student has to come to the central attention focus and in this technology enhanced learning program, the students centric education probably will take the center stage. University 2.0, if I am talking about university 2.0 of the future, probably we will need as I said new operating models, new financial models. For example, maybe new transfer pricing models as we talk in the industry is what will be required. And what are these new transfer pricing models? We do not know still. I do not know what are these transfer pricing models. Yesterday talked about assessment rights and so many things, copyrights and all those things. I think we need to work on a new transfer pricing models and which will be very critical in running the new types of university 2000s, university 2.0. Any new change will bring in dislocation, will bring in disruptions, will bring in confusions and will bring in uncertainty. This is the typical American military term, the VUCA world as was as is coined and is very often today. Volatile, uncertain, complex and ambiguous world and I think the education world also is this VUCA world with this change coming into this and probably we need to get a mindset where we are able to take in our mindset and use our first rate intelligence which has never failed us in the past to hold maybe opposing viewpoints in our mind and still continue to get the abilities to function with these opposing thought points and viewpoints in our mind and that will probably talk about what we may call as the balance that we need to get into the education system. Balance of quantity versus quality, the balance of repair versus prepare, the balance of price versus cost, the balance of funding versus delivery and the balance of excellence versus inclusion. All these are difficult problems for our systems and probably we need to work on the dichotomies of these situations into the same mind and then work towards the solution using the technology base. I will stop here and then probably request some analytics on the table over here. I think starting from the left side over here we have Professor Shankar from JNTU. Good morning everybody. It's my privilege to be associated with this panel for discussion. I am from JNTU Anantapur, one of the budding universities which is now sixth year but we had experience of conducting through university because 1972 JNTU has been there in Hyderabad. Now, regarding the quality education programs, the university has taken the lead as a knowledge centre and as a direct academic planning we have been conducting the teachers' training programs for accreditation process. And being a rural area, we have got several other activities. We have got TechWhip funding also and Anantapur teacher-student ratio has been very predominant. The national average is teacher-student level of satisfaction is more than the national average as per the TechWhip norms, as per the statistics that is being available. And yesterday I have made a specific point that for every profession there is a training program before they take up the actual work. But unfortunately in the present scenario the teacher training programs are not being there before they take up teaching as a profession. Many people are not taking teaching as a profession. So far it has been a stop-gap arrangement. As rightly pointed out by other speakers, the cream of the people are not joining in teaching profession as per the statistics so far. And our Honourable Vice-Chancellor, Prof. K. Lal Kishore who is also a member of the ESDM, Design and Manufacturing of the National Body has introduced the online courses through Synopsis, Electronics Education and Research in VLSS system design and embedded systems and also through Carnegie Mellon University through consortium of Instruction of Higher Learning through AP State Government we have started MSIT programs also simultaneously with and also Tripolite Hyderabad. And we have also introduced for quality improvement enhancement the anti-plagiarism software and also we have taken an embassy with South Ganga and already 72 thesis have been uploaded. And further I as a senior member of IIT Sabili and Director of Economic Planning among the affiliated colleges that professional society membership must be taken either at the student level or individual level or in the institutional level particularly the professional worldwide organisation like IIT Sabili as a service for humanity and ASME, ASCA, all India management as well as etc. This will enhance and enrich the knowledge and the students for their benefit for mutual exchange of ideas and developing their communication skills I request Prof. Goswami Vice-Chancellor of ASAM University now I am Dr. P.K. Goswami actually my background I am an electrical engineer I have graduated from ASAM and then I came to IIT Madras for my master course then I went to London for PhD then I did my post-doctor from Japan I am telling this background I have started my career as a lecturer of Engineering College then I become Vice-Chancellor so I know a little bit what is going on in the engineering side so if you ask me what is the engineering necessary for the undergraduate program actually undergraduate program throughout India it should be common at least in the fifth up to sixth semester onward courses should be common because what I teach in ASAM what I teach in Kerala, what I teach in Tamil Nadu should not be different because students will be aiming for a grade examination if our courses are designed in such a way that students everywhere is very good ASAM students, Bengal students or Urisis students or Kerala students are same but exposure of the courses are different so that's why they find they have to go for a special coaching for grade examination grade is mandatory nowadays for public sector job and getting admission in the master courses so my request to all these panelists all these people is there somehow we should have a common course at least from the seventh semester onward throughout all over India then I think our students will be exposed to the common platform, the students are good then third point is there that when I was the director of technical I was trying that we have selected 20 teacher from all the colleges of ASAM I am asking them to take the classes in different courses so he is a good in mathematics then as the we do not have any credit system to mark the teacher so I was voluntarily asking the student who is your best teacher so I give the teacher a little bit extra money but that teacher is selected only for one session only otherwise there will be some groupies so I was selecting for one session then I ask them to take the other classes whether short as a faculty mainly in our time computer science and electronics or what is short as a faculty so we have a sick good teacher so I pick up them all and I allow them to take the classes and I take their feedback from the students so that way also in from IIT Guwahati we have some collaboration from the state engineering colleges IIT Guwahati also we send them students for the training even but the teacher also goes there and if you find that all our good teachers are joining IIT Guwahati now we have a short as a faculty and IIT Silsor and IIT Guwahati and even at S4 University most of my colleague or my student has joined in their project because they are short as a faculty they get the job so another point I am just thinking as a not as a teacher whether teacher all the teacher efficiency should be calibrated and depending on that you can even go for a age of 70 for some good teacher not even for 65 so that way some you can just filter them all because you want a teacher in a state engineering college you cannot remove them if they do not take any class also for 35 years so that is I do not know whether it is good or bad so thank you Mr. Verma this is my observation can I request Professor Mohan now this very good morning to all of you I am Professor Mohan currently the director national institute of technical teachers training and research I have been in IIT Madras for 25 years and teaching in civil engineering environmental one thing that I would like to tell the teacher training it is a very important thing somehow we have been neglecting for engineering even for LKG teacher if I become LKG teacher I have to undergo the mandatory training otherwise I cannot become a teacher but unfortunately here we are going directly as yesterday if I am graduated today I become a teacher which I think it is not the teacher is getting affected it is more the students are getting affected almost I have to train around 10 batches of students before I become a good teacher 10 students become the testing animals for us so which is not a good thing for teaching so this is one thing that we have to make compulsory if not joining but at least within a two year period before you make him as a permanent teacher I think he has to undergo a training on pedagogical aspect that is one. The second one the university especially the students would have some flexible hours but unfortunately we are loading them too much in my opinion because six courses and three practical and he doesn't have time to think over so unless we make slightly because always we always say that the student will be free he will do something else so if we want ICT and more thinking power I think we have to reduce to maximum four courses and two labs so then only he will be able to think over or munch over the thing this is I think IIT Kanpur is a very successful model where they have in fact IIT Kanpur only four courses will be there in the masters and only maximum two practical but because somehow we are very conservative as teachers we wanted to give more courses and we wanted to complete the syllabus or cover the syllabus rather than uncovering the syllabus as such so I think the university has to make little more flexibility for the student to take the course and why I am saying suppose I am a civil engineer 50% courses would be compulsory in civil engineering remaining 50 he can take anywhere so that you know these ICT courses which has been transmitted by IIT or other kind of a thing suppose I am interested in physics I will go and sit in the physics class and then listen to them so otherwise you know if I have six or seven courses and I may not have time to go and sit in the common classes or my interesting classes I think this is one thing that we may have to change our mindset especially the teachers have to change the mindset I think this is one thing that it is missing in our kind of a thing because we always look at the students to be loaded too much but I think this is I am little concerned opinion so I will stop here sir so thank you very much so I think this is maybe second round Mr. Praveen Prakash please from the government side in brief I will say that the future of technology enable learning in India is in the hands of state technical university I say so because engineering education is one field where lot of work has been done you have content ready NPTEL, virtual lab you have a mechanism also through training to 10,000 teacher you have also mechanism protocols also ready now the country or everybody is asking for outcome, asking for results Dr. Urra is here from Influenet he was making a presentation and he was talking about all the projects he is doing and from other side people were sitting there asking only one question this all is fine tell us how many students are there in the university, how many are using these questions are going to come back again and again and again and if we don't succeed in engineering education I see I am very uncomfortable because I have committed myself for next 5 years for technology enable learning I mean 5 years of my life I have committed and I am that's why I was very keen to meet those who are from state technical university it's not only about your students it's not only about the 36 or 40 lakh students who are in engineering it's about 2.6 crore students who are in this country in higher education that's the responsibility you have you have professor Ashok Jhunjhunwala and whenever we think about technology education and whatever we have made we said we have made content but syllabus is not common examination is not common state technical university that's a asset you have common you have common syllabus you have common examination system all that we said there is no freedom in our system can be converted through technology to our advantage that's why we the first for the usage side the first MOUs which we have entered are with state technical university yesterday I was discussing with Pawan sir let's give them 3-4 months time to prepare the detailed project report for state technical university I said no I gave them 7 days time said that we want to enter into MOU all of them came which means there is a burning desire in state technical universities also on behalf of all state technical universities I promise him that on the 3rd March when we are having standing committee we will bring all those detailed project reports for the standing committee when we will have our project approval board we will approve funding for all the state technical university to take the agenda of technical enable learning in the state technical university request is bring them to the center stage enough of experimentation piloting that that era is over I mean I keep telling this to my mission people if you look at NREGS scheme it's online can somebody imagine people talk about connectivity talking about computer literacy not available in blocks, villages NREGS is one scheme where it has been proved that if we have correct intentions if we believe they believe that centrally we want to show every laborer who is there in India how many days he has worked what is his name we will show it, we will bring it to the center stage they believed in it, in two years they have done it you go to any village in this country today the M book or the must role of that particular laborer is online, if I can do it in NREGS my engineering colleges which are much higher level than all these blocks and villages definitely it's doable particularly second engineering education is much more doable that's the ICT this is part of us in all engineering colleges therefore my request is all of you that once we go back let's work on DPR with NITR and prove that yes technology-enabled learning is going to transform our higher education and making it successful Mr Narendra from Microsoft Thank you sir I just want to make a little bit of a context a few years ago my children are both in college now and they studied in high school both in India and US I asked them, why did you find education, good India, US, what teacher they said, what we really learned everything we know from the internet the schools didn't matter so that's the state of affairs and I think as been said often we have to move away from a situation where the classroom was the center to where the student is the center of the learning process and I think as Mr Praveen Prakash pointed out our system of affiliating universities actually gives us a way of taking an organized approach to bringing technology centric learning bringing new methods of pedagogy and learning in a way that we can completely be ahead of the world no other country has such an organized system we can implement this faster quicker and entirely in the hands of the vice chancellors that are here actually to do that just at a high level if you think about what entails world and learning think about seven different types of things there are books there are lectures, laboratories a collaborative work between students tutorials with a teacher or an instructor a quizzes to see your progress and final assessments every one of these aspects can be enhanced covered by our technology personalized in a way that the teacher's burden is reduced to one of actually guiding the student to where they have to go rather than standing in front of a lecture hall and lecturing to 50 students 25 of them are not paying attention at any given time or more you don't really want to be doing that I really don't think that we were all looking forward to being great speakers if we were doing that we would be in politics as opposed to be in teaching anyway and there are basically three aspects to making this happen one is of course technology platforms that will allow you to do the seven functions in a way that is productive and allow you to flexibly experiment with them so that you are not burdened with a single model it's a time for experiments the flipped classroom models have not converged there are many ways of doing it different teachers may want to do it different ways so we really need platforms that enable and allow this kind of experimentation second of course is lecture content I mean we don't have enough and that's something that really we need to work on very hard to do that and the third of course is an execution strategy by all of you for actually getting this out to make it happen and you as vice chancellors are in the best position to do that nobody else I just wanted to just put a little bit of a plug as far as the platform is concerned you heard about our platform massively import classrooms yesterday you can see the demo it is actually been tested out really in the field with universities affiliating colleges and it's you know it's not complete because we are learning as we go along but it's come a long way I request you to take a look at it and we will be more than happy to make it available for your institutions to use it experiment as far as content is concerned there is some content but NPTEL lecture repositories a huge resource of content unfortunately it's not in the right form because they are one hour long lectures which you know which is not really the best way but we actually have technology please talk to Vidya Natampalli and Siddharth Prakash that will allow you to take NPTEL lectures and use them as the basis to create more MOOCs like content inserting quizzes making them into smaller portions automatically and with a little bit of addition from the teacher so again this is a time for experiments India can be a leader exactly because of the way we are and I think as Mr. Prakash said going back to our so called disadvantages will be our strengths thank you thank you last I think again being the last speaker I don't think I have much to say except thank all my colleagues how many of us from the academic institutions are from the affiliating universities or colleges can you raise your hands you know definitely this is less than around 30% one third how many from the panel are from the affiliating affiliating university only two of us so they are in minority okay but the Indian higher education system you know 87% of our enrollment is in affiliating university system you know the colleges affiliated to universities so that is so this room is not really representative of India's higher education sector in many ways and I think if we really want to address the quality challenges of India's higher education sector I think we have to hit the affiliating university system which for centuries because this system is how old it is 163 year old system okay so we set up the first affiliating universities in 1857 and that became the defining model of India's higher education system in many ways it helped us to increase enrollments very rapidly without having to create infrastructure you know affiliating college system enabled us to reach out to the nooks and corners of the country without too much of dilution of quality so it is not all bad but as an academic model it was a little more challenging because this the teachers in affiliated colleges they had absolutely no say in curriculum formation they were basically imparting instruction based on curriculum which was set up by the university and they had little role in examination and assessment so in many colleges they are internal assessments etc etc but then you had these academic institutions so called colleges and some of them are very prestigious colleges where the faculty is not really engaged in any processes that are there in any academic institution so this in many ways and for decades and centuries has been considered as one of the limiting constraints for quality higher education in the country but I think technology is changing the rules of the game when we want to improve quality at a scale that we wish to achieve I think this organizational model of the affiliating universities and colleges affiliated to them provides us an opportunity and Anand then pointed it out that this is your unique opportunity for the country I think what Professor Jhunjhunwala referred to in addressing quality challenges in 100 colleges is a similar concept that you are using a hub where Jhunjhunwala though he is not an institution but he is actually an institution he has single-handedly and when we were doing it I sent him a mail telling that do you require any funds for all this he says I don't require any funds I don't know how it is happening a member of that committee but he is just making it happen so I think that way he is an institution in this room this is actually not the first meeting of technical affiliating universities this is the second meeting the first meeting we had almost a year ago in planning commission where in many of you were present and it was for the first time that you admitted that technical affiliating universities are being convened they are being called to play an important role in enhancement for higher education it took me another one year another one year and Praveen is here it took me another one year to convince that we have to focus on technical affiliating universities and I can now see the enthusiasm in the ministry and Praveen saying that they are signing MOUs and they are just moving ahead with it because I think it provides us an opportunity using what is already available in the engineering education ecosystem effectively you know it is all about using that content effectively using the ICT infrastructure which is available with us and any vice chancellor from a technical affiliating university with us they are all left Rajneesh was here but Rajneesh Arora was there yesterday PTU he is left PTU also was there so anyway can I tell a secret about the technical affiliating universities the secret is that all the technical affiliating universities are extremely rich so they are sitting over hundreds of crores of rupees which they have earned through affiliation fees and they have absolutely no clue how to use it so so I think it is a huge opportunity for all of us to basically give them a few ideas and enable them to use this money effectively to improve the quality of engineering education in the system and make people more money and make people more money okay I think if they do a good job they will make more money and while I am very enthused a lot of technical affiliating universities came forward to sign MOUs but if I can be a little frank like you asked Dr. Arora that how many students are actually using it I am not very impressed with MOUs you know we will be more impressed with how many technical universities have a robust strategy and action plan to impress technology to improve quality you know if they can come out with a robust action plan and implement that action plan that is what is needed I think MOU is just the first step where they express their intention to do it and as Praveen has mentioned the government is keen to support even financially I would do not very much like them to be supported financially because they have the money you can support them but if required if there are gaps in resources those resource gaps can be definitely addressed through public funding from the government but it is up to the technical affiliating universities to chalk out a strategy or embracing technology at a scale which is only possible through them between the 25 technical universities in the country they enroll 97% of the engineering student population IITs are marginal as far as IITs and IITs they are marginal players in overall volume game for engineering education so I think the importance of technical affiliating universities in particular and affiliating universities in general to address quality challenges of India's higher education sector are immense we are making the first steps in that direction that is going to the central strategy for quality enhancement of India's higher education sector I think this organizational model can be turned on its head to our advantage so that we can really make a huge difference and leverage technology and I can I can see Anup is not too happy because people from institutions you know you passed out from IIT and you will have no clue of what an affiliating college system is and therefore to even understand it takes a little while you know has been educating and I think the Microsoft research own experiments led by Vidya on massively empowered classrooms where they basically using these technical affiliating universities to reach out to hundreds of colleges affiliated to them and empower the classrooms I don't know what that classroom empowerment is we only heard of empowering the teachers or the students they are empowering the classroom they are empowering both the students and teachers hopefully or maybe more than that maybe the peon and everyone so I think there is a huge opportunity in this model to make a change sorry I did manage to get about 10-12 minutes for interactions and I should thank all my panel member colleagues for making not you everybody I think we left each one of us left half a minute for you so that's fine we will have about 10-12 minutes of interaction possible welcome suggestions, comments, questions from the floor I think I will start from here somebody can give the mic please introduce yourself I think we need a mic here also good morning everybody I am Dr. Himlata Chary but I am from University of Mumbai deputy director academic for distance learning and I come from the field of education and we have been teaching MA education ICT optional paper for the last two years online in English and Marathi for about 800 students now my main issue was to get teacher coordinators to because it's one person cannot do manage about 800 students so what we did was we had now four PCP centers we divided them into four volunteer coordinators who decided to help me with this of getting ahead with that now first year we did this on a trial basis and we got a very good feedback from our MA education students who were placed in schools who were given in charge of ICT because grade 9 ICT was compulsory the second year I could not get these two teachers because they were themselves busy with the credit system and while I was thinking how I could go about it I must thank professor Sanjay Mishra from SEMCA director because we were just discussing and he said why don't you go about peer tutoring so I had my senior students who had already undergone this and they started teaching and the second batch and everything is on university website it is there but when we ask teachers they always say is it coming under API score can we get this for our cash promotion then we will do if they have to even design or develop a course material they say is that ISBN ISS and I mean it doesn't come how we can motivate them and the other issue that we have is regional centers 80% of our students come from Alibagh, Ratnagiri, district districts so to set up centers there and that's where I am at the crossroad to know how to go about setting up for them and coming from education I must thank I had a very refreshing session for the last two days I learnt a lot about engineering and so that's my thank you I think you had some sub hand raised here maybe next you can come director Neeter Bhopal I agree what Shri Praveen Prakash Ji said that it is the technical state technical universities to play dominant role my experience is that we are having two shortage of faculty members recruitment process is being delayed for more than 10 years recruitments are not being done in many states number one we have to concentrate on some of the private engineering college owners also because they are crucial in state technical education scenario when there was a program in Raipur university was not interested but private engineering college management were interested so I think we have to address them also sometimes they are very willing to join this move number three we have to make some policy related to revision of syllabus because most of the universities are dealing with the syllabus which were prepared in 1990 or 2000 so and industries are generally complaining that the syllabus are not as per our needs regarding the ICT enabled learning I think most of the engineering colleges are interested bandwidth connectivity may be a problem for the rural colleges which are located in rural area so we have to concentrate on that area also that is very required otherwise the connectivity if connectivity is very important so we have to concentrate on that area so we have to concentrate on that area because most of the engineering colleges especially in Madhya Pradesh and Gujarat also they are not well connected as far as the bandwidth is concerned so these were the points I just want to make one quick comment nobody prevents us from modifying the syllabus universities are supreme and if you don't modify the syllabus it is our own fault is what my judgment is the second point I wanted to just quick point is again about this curricula the curricula change the pressure on universities on the curricula change are from too many directions just to mention a few directions it is the ICT model syllabi then we have pressure from industries to change our syllabi we have pressures from sometime reserve bank of India to include something in our syllabus we have pressure from the disaster recovery center of country to change syllabus and we have pressure from the environmental from the constitution of India to all sorts of sources putting pressure on the university to change the syllabi change the syllabi again that is one issue that needs to be talked because 4 years is 4 years for engineering and to cover everything in that 4 years and include all these additionalities that come up from different sources of the society to be included in the syllabi is a difficult proposition yeah professor good morning all of you this is professor Shailu Registrar of Kakti University Varangal Andhra Desh ours is a traditional university though we have about 19 constant colleges of our own and about 500 affiliate colleges across three districts of the state and as far as this seminar is concerned I am very happy I think this is second of the series of meetings convened by a maturity as far as using of ICT in higher education is concerned but the last two days we have been discussing about only technical education and there are many other disciplines non-technical like pharmacy management and other traditional social sciences arts and so on so forth and again as far as the preparation of syllabus and e-content is concerned whatever that is prepared at IATs IAMs level can be used to throw affiliate colleges like us and see as far as somebody was commenting that they are very rich in terms of funds as of now even payment of salary is difficult thing every month maybe it's problem case with the technical universities again without taking care of the schooling education intermediate education if you can think of using ICT only at the higher education level may not be of course that useful unless we start using them right from school education level and coming to the psychology of teachers psychology of students and psychology of management including regulators my personal opinion is that better to introduce a paper like we have a paper called industrial organizational behavior wherein there will be a space for understanding the behavior of management regulators and also teachers and also students without that there should be a that should be made mandatory for all the courses in respect of the discipline whether it is engineering management or sciences business and so on so forth these few observations thank you for giving the opportunity I have a small suggestion to make very specific session I am continuing from where Pawan left Pawan said that 97% of these technical graduates are through these through outside IIT and IIT system now what's happening there is one thing which Pawan brought out I have spoken to VCPT who just now and I am speaking on his behalf there is whatever is being talked what Ashok talked what all we are talking about what ICD can do or potentially can do we are still talking of very very small numbers of this ICD intervention but this revolution has been on for last 10 years last 10 years while this organized sector was getting organized huge numbers which are far bigger than this 97% which which Pawan talked about has already gotten in the game not a single person here is from that group that number is humongous every corner of the country every street of Bombay you travel you will find these boards offering all kind of studies now there is a huge innovation on there is a need of the people which is being addressed now here is the specification which we have which I have the sanction of my chance to PTO and yes PTO is one of the organization which is sitting on a pile of cash today so so the specification is very specification is that can we expose this group to this vast numbers which are outside the system and can we expose that group to what is happening here it will do tremendous amount of group nearly 100,000 people are already organized in that disorganized sector and we would be very happy PTO would be very happy to take the lead in this and organizing this thanks I think we will have time for two more interventions and I think I thought it hand raised here first so good morning everybody I am Dr. Siddling Soma Development Officer from Department of Technical Education Government of Karnataka sir one small suggestion as sir mentioned most of the technical universities are the richest universities in our country so similar to the CSR corporate social responsibility in the industrial sector so is it possible for the I mean the universities which are rich in terms of financial resources to extend their part of the financial resources to help CSR CSR for this thing, Affiliating Colleges Sir I am Rohitha Sringi from Rajasthan Technical University Kota I am head mechanical and yesterday only I took over the day before yesterday I took over charge of director academics now the benefit of this seminar is very immense regarding that secret I must tell that we are into a mode of deficit financing so finance is definitely an issue see you should learn some lessons from PTO so no no sir we have professor NS Vyas from IIT Kanpur who has taken over as vice chancellor of this university so okay now regarding this MOU I think definitely we can roll out the products which are available free immediately and we definitely will make it a essential component when we affiliate these colleges will make it as a mandatory requirement and that is how we can immediately go in for action plan the third February meeting the third meeting which will have the details on the financial models what kind of investment university has to do in developing the Affiliating Colleges definitely we will take a decision according to that I think the last intervention here we have to see that how these can be delivered more effectively so the kind of project that is needed my name is Vaidya Subramaniam I am from Shastra University I'll just make it very short now it's the season for you know a common minimum point program so in academics as well in academics as well we are talking about 25 Affiliating State Universities so as we as I said in the last session in the evening yesterday we need to identify at least a few priorities that can commonly apply to all the 25 State Technical Universities and see what we can deliver to them through the mission and agree on some common elements that unifies all of them and create an encouraging ecosystem from which we can use that as a springboard and then try to come forward with more interventions as we move forward thank you thank you so much I think we had I am sure there will be many more who would like to have any suggestions and then all of you are welcome to do that to Mr. Pravin Prakash or to Mr. Pawan Agarwal or to me and probably we will look forward to such suggestions coming forward in the coming few days I'll just probably give one minute each to Mr. Pravin Prakash and to Mr. Pawan Agarwal if they want to say something at the end of this session I'll just react to what ma'am said definitely at the federal at the national level whatever policy intervention is required to bring technology-enabled learning at the center stage which requires you are saying API changing all definitely will do we were discussing internally yesterday and in fact I was telling this to Mr. Pawan Agarwal also he said okay if doing that helps do it but finally it is the people who have the ground the VC has to genuinely believe that technology-enabled learning can bring change to students if that belief is there definitely all things will find in place I think the point about the focus on technical education here it is deliberate and we wanted some institutions and universities which are non-technical also to be part of this discussion so that we can carry you it is your responsibility to carry forward this discussion to the other forums and we'll be with you so we won't champions who will see the similar thoughts in other fields of study thank you I just have three small quick points to add before I close this session one for the Affiliating University because having run the satellite-based program for all my colleges in the VTU and for the first university to start the satellite-byte courses for an Affiliating University I think there are three two difficulties I think which you should take care of one is the difficulty of timetabling that is a very real issue and I think that has to be taken care of and the second issue is of regulation change with regard to attendance these attendance requirements and the regulation requirements 85% attendance and this technology-based learning programs don't go together I think you have to take care of these two simple things but they are very difficult to handle two other two just common points that I would like to say I would prefer and please don't mistake mine I say this today IITs also have a 40% shortage of faculty that's what is in newspapers reports and IITs should now become in my judgment an example of doing this courses through this technology means in their own system they will introduce a lot of confidence in the other institutions to take up these courses today many institutions ask this question does the IIT use it and the answer is no so I think IITs should become an example of doing these courses within themselves and then ask other persons to do it they should become examples rather than just what we may call as givers maybe just givers last point is I think the word has to be collaborative co-invention and not directed learning experiences see this directed learning experiences versus the collaborative learning experiences will make all the differences in making this technology forward in our country as I said 97% versus 3% so 97% there has to be a collaborativeness rather than a deductiveness thank you very much actually thank all my panelists they are operating with me I want to I want to thank Professor Kinsha and the panel members for an excellent session so right now we are breaking for tea and be back at 1150 sharp for the next session thank you we come to the last but not the least important session of the conference where we are going to consolidate the detailed discussions that happened in four groups I am happy to welcome Shri Ashok Thakur secretary of higher education you know how busy secretaries are and Mr. Ashok Thakur unfortunately had an additional discount feature he was unwell he became well mostly only late last night but today morning he took the hardest flight I am personally grateful to him for another reason for last several years that I have been working on this national mission project of course there are additional secretaries and joint secretaries who have been handling individual projects and so on but he has been personally keeping an eye on the development giving guidance and correction at every stage and giving absolutely solid support I am sure this is true with all other institutions doing the national mission projects but at IIT Bombay I have no hesitation in saying that if we have achieved something it comes because of this strong support from the ministry guided personally by Shri Ashok Thakur it is a personal pleasure sir to have you here it is a long time after which you have been able to make a trip to IIT Bombay welcome you may I request you to chair the sessions so what I am going to do is I am going to advise the secretary about the names of the four groups and I request him to call a representative of each group and I request each group to present their conclusions of the discussions in 5 to 7 minutes sir these were the four groups which had discussions on these topics so we had this was the first topic future of content creation enabling and empowering teachers the second was third was content delivery and the fourth was investment integration these are four important components just name each and call everybody and let them make a presentation for 5 to 7 minutes sir yeah the first group on future of content creation Dr. Andrew JNU yes and Dr. Neha Chaudhary CIS okay our topic was future content creation and you can look at them with three different words each of them if you emphasize can mean something different so are we looking at the horizon and trying to predict what are the technological changes that will affect content creation are we looking at content creation specific to the NME ICT project which is what we think we will focus on in this particular proposal our group was made up of about 7 educational technologists and the rest were educators I put them as either administrators or as teachers and as a result the 14 questions were probably too many for us to discuss because it was a little chaotic so I've distilled some of the information about let me start by the standard adopted by the NME ICT there is a common noting that the four quadrant standard that has been adopted there is unequal development in one which is video lectures and insufficient development in the other quadrants and here is another point which may make me unpopular in IIT there is too much of a broadcasting where the content is developed in one source let's say the IITs consumed by the other players in the NME ICT which are technical education now one of the suggestions which I think is very important here is that the other aspects of the quadrants such as the problem solving environments and the simulation sections they can be used you can utilize teachers of these subjects from other universities and colleges to fill in that content the use of simulation and gaming technologies as tools for learning has very little support in this but there is a very exciting project in IIT Bombay which should probably receive more focus where three dimensional animation in environment I think it's under your development should probably develop more focus into content that can be reusable so that let me go through the individual questions I'm sorry the questions are there the answer to the first one which is generally on the coverage of NME ICT the general decision was that the curriculum is more or less covered however it doesn't match with the local curriculum in all cases the pictures are sometimes too long the quality standards differ and there is a lack of reusability so additional content sometimes needs to be sourced and this has been brought out by other talks earlier for instance gaps in law management humanities were not covered and one aspect when you're teaching technology is to tend to focus too much on the context of the subject and many of the soft skills required by our students are missing in the educational sector and probably should be added in the second was to ask whether content creation in Indian languages was keeping with the times the solutions were technological as well as to use crowdsourcing for dubbing, translation and to develop a few technical standards that could use machine translation as an intermediate to be manually curated and later to create content in local languages there are more details in the written document the third question was is content generated by government funded projects not used to a desired extent how do we extend this the general and this is much more of a personal point in is that the government content should be licensed such that it is reusable and the focus should be on accessibility and dissemination and also content needs to be modularized there is an example with the NCRT content which is actually very very good but if it is chunked down into modular concepts it could serve as seeds for developing other content which could be built on even at the undergraduate level number four was our mechanisms that we have to ensure quality standards in content creation adequate and if not etc. we are a little unsure about the standards used for quality control and quality development so what we have suggested is that the alternative is not to filter content by setting standards at source but to allow user preferences as a selection mechanism crowdsourcing can be easily used to enforce these standards and if you have a mechanism to allow transparency, certification validation and student feedback the idea is the best lecture would be selected the fifth question was to take care of the changes in technology and how to upgrade existing content general consensus was that we should look for integrating different types of content and standards again have to be defined for the individual content such that it is mashable the sixth question was specific on the four quadrant method which I talked about earlier is it possible to generate some of the quadrants automatically from other quadrants we had some discussion on how that is possible in the context of our group discussion it was obvious that you could generate transcripts from video and audio content dubbing and language translation can also be generated from these transcripts and the second point is how do you use the four quadrant to adequately impart self-learning now this is the fourth quadrant has to have much more content and that is the problem based approach self-evaluation systems they have to be developed in more the seventh point was the existing model for creating content is largely project based assigned to faculty and academic institutions I think I have got the answer wrong but anyway the answer that we have in this is that this is critical for the present generations of teachers and requires attention I will come back to this point because we discussed it later the teacher today is considered only a subject matter expert and with reference to multimedia development we have separate skill sets in instructional design and in multimedia development and possibly this has to be looked at in which these skills are improved the next question was what are the pros and cons of outsourcing some of the development works such as translation and dubbing and I will take this with the other question there is a large and vibrant private sector is there any possibility of leveraging the expertise in this sector so the answers were more or less the pros were that yes you need to get a meritocracy improved implemented here and there are obviously improvements in quality faster turnover support the creation of an industry specific in this area and therefore job creation etc sorry the con was that the educational sector may not be able to afford the industry quality that we have presently so some sort of an intermediate has to be placed with reference to using the private sector that is a linked question there are government policies regarding checks balances and rates and one has to work out how to use it the 10th question a large amount of content is now available from top universities around the world how can such material be effectively used the recommendation is a blended approach there is a concern that was voiced by many teachers including by me and the concern is to prevent a teacher from being reduced to a certifier the role only in evaluation because all the content is simply coming in from outside so it is important to define standards to ensure accountability with teachers both by additional content produced in the other quadrants and by the ability to guide students in all aspects of this content point number 11 can we promote the use of open source software the answer from this group was yes but it should not mandate the use of open source software and the use of free tools from being prescribed and used the 12th was should we record classroom lectures of outstanding teachers and make the result content available to the public the answer should also be that you should reverse the term from outstanding teachers to teachers who can give outstanding lectures so a suggestion was that rather than only select a few teachers on the basis of some prerequisite you may also consider that all teachers available can give one or two outstanding lectures and you form a corpus and then use that as a seed this is a concern that was voiced repeatedly and I mentioned it at the beginning and that we need to give visibility to teachers outside of the privileged institute space such as the IITs and central universities point number 13 should we come up with effective strategies to create textbooks for all universities the answer should be yes for core courses but there is a concern that you will not be able to rapidly change curriculum and therefore the content based on the needs the half-life of knowledge in our world today is much much shorter than what it was 25 years ago and textbooks also have a shorter half-life point number 14 how do we use the social media experience and content creation and how do we ensure that content created through outsourcing meets our norms such as quality there are mechanisms for outsourcing quality control but to be honest by this time which is the last question our group had dispersed a little bit and lost much of its interest so we didn't have much of a question and answer to this but I can always get circulated by email and get it back now as a closing comment there is also requirement for a clear definition of the platform this outside of the questions asked which allows for hosting measurable content content itself should be designed with a granularity that allows it to be measurable to the maximum extent and allows for a definition of adaptive content now these are technical terms and those members of our educational technology community who are part of the group will probably fill in definitions but translated into English just the dissemination of video lectures should not constitute the only success story of enemy ICT we need to get much more content and it should be actually generated by the consumer so they need to have a lot more granularity in modular units which they can piece together into content there is additional technological challenges content has to be meta tagged and standards defined for knowledge representation an example is what the Khan Academy does for linking prerequisites for knowledge so that when you pick up a topic you know what else you need to read so that you can reach that particular information now overriding concerns relate to the lack of adequate authoring tools and this is a strong recommendation that a focused grant effort be made to develop good authoring tools because the teachers really handicapped into being simply a subject matter expert here this keeps multimedia development a specialized skill and has a polarized development of content supported only to pre-defined sites through projects funded for this purpose it is strongly advised that this be democratized to allow all educators to participate in content creation at all levels and the focus be made to define and ensure authoring tools are available to educators thank you


it's really my privilege to assert the theme of this event, welcoming the stranger. This is an affirmation, in my view, of the solidarity in humanity towards displaced persons wherever they may be. This theme, welcoming the stranger, resonates in fact with the fundamental belief that all humanity is one regardless of religion, ethnic origin, color, race, and other discriminatory grounds. Echoing the welcoming the stranger affirmation, our faiths demand that we remember we are all migrants on this earth, journeying together in hope. Thus the role of faith-based actors goes beyond the faith as expressed by them, but these are translated into concrete actions in the humanity of strangers nevertheless welcome them so that we may not be strangers anymore, but with the numbers continuing to increase the gravity and intensity of displacement making compliance with international human rights and humanitarian standards more and more difficult, we find humanitarian actors including faith-based organizations facing challenges and obstacles in such welcoming the stranger. Humanitarian access is more and more restricted arbitrarily, funding is actually dwindling, political space to operate is constantly challenged and in fact in so far as some faith-based actors or organizations are concerned, particularly churches, the role in humanitarian settings are sometimes regarded with antagonism often with suspicion. Moreover unfortunately spaces established by such faith-based organizations may even be transformed from spaces of refuge to targets of violence. In this context there is also solidarity that must be asserted among humanitarian organizations themselves in self-regulation. This is really essential and I see this event further attesting to that with the integration of faith-based organizations into the wider humanitarian community. The work continues in this growing more challenging environment, but I think that if we are also faithful to our own commitment, welcoming the stranger should also always be the norm rather than the exception. Thank you very much.