The Astros took down the Rays in Game 5, so the ALCS is set and the NLCS is set to begin tonight. Let's talk about it. What's going on everybody? Welcome to Talking Baseball. It is a beautiful Friday afternoon, October 11th. The Astros beat the Rays. They are who we thought they were and the second half of the show, we will be previewing the National League Championship Series. My name's John Boy, I'm coming to you from New Jersey, and I got the birthday boy, the 30-year-old killer from Denver, Jake, who's 30 years old today. Jake, how you doing? Death. I'm good. I'm good. As you saw, I have retired my eyes today. I put a pair of glasses on.  That's what I don't know. I don't even know what they do. I think they're... What are they? Screen glasses? What do we call these? Yeah, they're blue light glasses. They take the blue off the screen, the blue on the screen's bad for you. I have mine, and I rarely take them off. So yeah, I mean I have X-ray glasses on now, and that's 30. So yeah, I mean everything will be very professional today. Very straightforward. You saw it in my text messaging. No more time for jokes. Very professional episode coming up today. Yeah, you guys want to hear how Jake texted me this morning? I said, what up? He said, hello, James. Good morning to you and yours. I said, are you good to go? He said, absolutely. Sounds great. It's more, it's not professional. It's more boilerplate, like whatever they, the given responses they offered you. Yeah, I was not, they don't give me the given responses anymore. I think Apple gave up on me. Man, being formal. I know you and I, we did this with a guy, Jack Curry, who covers the Yankees, but he's always like very professional, and we're like, how do you do that? Yeah, I couldn't do it. I cut to him in studio, and he is like, Severino dealt for seven, eight innings with a couple strikeouts, but we'll see how he does it, the blah, blah, blah, and it's just out, and it's like, wow, that was so professional. It's hard. Yeah, so you'll never do it. Don't worry about turning 30.  Okay, thank you. When I turned 30, it was only a couple months ago. I'm fully over it now. Fully accepted.  Yeah, and next big birthday is 40. Yeah, yeah, the 40 thing is daunting.  Whoever said that to me, I wanted to fight him. No, it's crazy. You mentioned you'll never be in your 20s again. As you know, I spent yesterday having a failed DMV trip. Yeah, so that was my last day in my 20s. Yeah, well, I don't think many people do like last day in their 20s events. I think they should. I think the last day in your 20s should be more exciting than your 30th birthday. No, it's all about the 30s. I might make that my revolution. Wow. Yeah. Retire your eyes, starting revolutions.  Eyes are done.  Eyes are done. Actually, starting a revolution is more like 19 year old. So you're actually aging backwards. Great. Perfect. Perfect. You watched the baseball last night? I did watch the baseball last night.  He's not human. Is he doing historic stuff?  Is he breaking records, basically? I think there's a record for most consecutive 10K outings. And I believe he's at like 14. I don't know. I could have made that up. But he had 10Ks yesterday. He looks like a video game. I don't even get it. Eric Sogaard walking so tall today. Yeah, I got him. Two for two in the ALCS.  He went two for two.  Our most recent sponsors on Patreon. We thank all of them. First up, Oakley K. Oakley K. I think that can't be a first name, right? Oakley K? I like the first name Oakley. I think that's kind of fun. I don't think I've met one, but... I would call him Oaks. Oakley K. No, you know what? I'd just call him O. I just realized it. I'd just call him O. Thank you. I like Oakley. 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I got to do the raffle for the last month. I could do a lot of stuff. Do tons of stuff. Trying to just watch baseball though. Anyway, let's get straight into this, Jake. Yes. The rays. Suck. Or alternative narrative. Alternative narrative. The Astros are cheaters at home. Or alternative narrative number three. Astros are better than the rays. Ooh, okay. Those are the options, huh? Three stands out. Yeah, I'm going with three as well. Three stands out. I think some people might be disappointed, especially if any of our Yankee brother and have come over here. Whatever Houston's doing to try to steal pitches, I mean, that's baseball. Not if they're using technology. Right. Which we don't have any confirmation of that yet. What we do know is Tyler Glassno has two pitches and one of them is fastball. He was tipping. So if you give Houston that kind of information, they did what they did in the first inning. It looked like batting practice. Yeah. I want to... So what we know, if you didn't know the tipping, basically you could see them all whispering to each other, which I love. Love a good whisper train. Whisper movements. We tried to start one at winter meetings last year, remember? Yeah. So I love that. But I think what people... And I'm going to try and look at all the footage closely and make a breakdown on my own. I think his glove hand. It was tipped this way. Like the edge of his glove was facing him. So that's down. It was one pitch and if it was more up, it was another pitch. Yeah, they kept saying higher. I think the fastball... When he was going to throw the fastball, the glove was a little higher. But yeah, you saw... Bregman literally scored and I think Brantley was coming up and he's like, hey dude, when it's higher, there's something like that and it's like, okay, so Houston knows what's going on. Get him out of there. Yeah.  So they're good at that. When we hung out with... Who's the catcher we hung out with? Oh, with Toley. Josh Toley. Toley, R.A. Dickey's old personal catcher for the Mets and then the Blue Jays. He said that that old Blue Jays crew of Donaldson, Batista and Carnation, they could do this every game. Like they could figure out a tip and they were just so good at it and it was mostly Batista, it was so good at it.  So it is something that happens and that is not cheating and that's part of the game. Stealing signs. The fact that Rays were giving multiple signs with nobody on base means that they think that they have a way of stealing signs another way. Yeah, that's the sketchy part. But this finding out a guy tips pitches or if the first base coach can see the signs or the third base coach, you can figure out his signs. That's just part of baseball. That's part of the fun of it all. But yeah, I want to go look at the footage or I don't know. But Glass now said after Braggman single, he was like something's a little weird. This isn't right. Yeah. So he went and checked it out and then it was glove and he admitted it. Glass knows like it's pretty obvious I was tipping my pitches. Yeah. Talk about a bad feeling on the mound. Yeah. Andy Pettit did it in the 2001 World Series got lit up by Arizona and says he doesn't even like look back on that game. Like he had to wash it from his entire brain. Yeah. I mean that's a feeling that I don't think happens in any other sport like football. You can watch tape on a quarterback basketball. You watch tape on guys. But like, I don't know if in basketball they shut off you going right because you're really good at going right. Okay. You figure out something else. You make backdoor cuts. You get open at three. If you're a pitcher and they know it's coming, it says Kevin Cash addressed the potential tipping. I didn't see this yet. I'm aware there were speculation about pitch tipping at the end of the day. Give the guys the credit that went up to the plate. Tampa Bay Rays manager dresses. Yeah. Everyone is pretty diplomatic about it I think. Yeah. Crazy. I hope that the Yankees pitchers have their gloves and signs in order because they're going to be playing a lot of games do you think that because of their bats go to die like they were so bad at the TROP do you put any curtains. I saw a lot of people saying that like well they were so bad away and then they just can hit everything at home. They got to be using technology. No I think I mean there's home field advantage. There's a I mean that Garrett Cole guy made things pretty difficult for Tampa when they were in Houston two out of those three games. And yeah I mean I don't know Justin Verlander wasn't Justin Verlander. It's it's not like Verlander was pumping high 90s hitting his spots and like wow these race hitters they're doing something special is like no this dude can't find his location and his stuff doesn't look good. So no I I don't put too much merit to that for the Tampa hitters or the Houston hitters. I mean it was a hostile environment and Tampa's got a lot of good pitchers. It was really loud at the end there when they were about to get the first out there's a shot I didn't clip it because I was clipping I was clipping something else but there's a shot where Josh Redick just looks at the crowd and kind of nods just like oh yeah it's cool. Yeah well I mean there's a definite we talked about a little bit yesterday but the pressure was on on Houston. Yeah and even Gerardi or AJ said that at the beginning they're like if you walk around the streets you got everyone saying let's go win it win it win it your family's there pressures on the home team in elimination games. I mean even I mean through once we got to the seventh and eighth inning and sure Tampa hadn't done anything but neither had Houston I mean Tampa shut out Houston for one two three four five six six straight innings as Houston you get nervous you let you know there's a couple times there's one runner on base comes a one run game you know there there was a couple timid moments and then the eighth inning they took off they are like Snell went one one without allowing a hit then Rowe comes in he does good Yarbrough came in walked guy Nick Anderson is amazing yeah but whatever whatever he figured out give give me that same medicine. Did you listen to the game yes. I missed I didn't I did for a little bit then I went to no volume but how someone in the chat just said how good was Drardy legitimately getting pissed off at AJ last night.  Nobody likes Przensky find me the person find me the person that's out there like yes AJ Przensky he was one of the most hated players when he played and now he's the guy in the booth. I don't get it. I think he's got some interesting insight like every now and then but I'm sure so with a lot of guys that aren't hated. That's true if you play the game you should have some insight. Yeah I hope that crew see if I was watching that crew with my heart on the line I'd hate it I wouldn't be able to laugh at it.   They can it completely took away from the game like they just it was you want to hear AJ and Joe's opinions on baseball game or do you want to watch a baseball game because it's two different things happening. Yeah. That's I think I think part of it's like a message from MLB that it's like hey we've got these large markets like if you find a spot to talk about something go for it and teach them and it's like no I don't I don't know we're not it the end in the NBA semi-finals or the conference finals you don't hear guys talking about like the value of a backdoor cut it's like no if they're watching that they kind of know what's going on. Yeah. Basketball analogies. You feel bad for the raise are you happy for them they want to at home. I don't know I I feel bad for a degree I feel bad for a sports team that gets eliminated like they they believed and do you have a burn of this game. I do. Shit. Sorry. Cooking with gas baby. You want to burn it and then we'll talk about how we feel like I can burn it. Here we go. Sorry man. You're good. A juicy game five at Minute Maid Park in Houston the raise and Tyler please don't be made a glass now trying to do the unthinkable against Garrett J Cole world as he continues his king of diamonds type season bottom one when I tip you hit you put your bad up on my pitch. Tyler tipping his pitches and the Stroh's went off play the music. Jose Altuve. Jose Altuve. RBI single for Jose.  Neither a bregman to RBI double. Yuli Yuli. Oh let my runner score. Four nothing Houston Eric so guard so good solo shot off a Cole in the second four to one from their doughnuts on the scoreboard raised pen would have and Cole would have 10 K's two hits over eight innings but bottom eight Houston wants the Yanks daily nightly and ever so Brantley. Michael goes yard piece followed by play the music. Jose Altuve. Jose Altuve. He gets one of his own Houston advances in game five six one final. Was that tip pitch. Lyric you had there. That was a. So what's the song it's like when I dip you dip you put your hands up on my hips or something like that. Yeah.  Nice. Wow.  That's where my brain jumped to instantly. This makes sense. When you tip.  When when I tip you hit you put your bat upon my pitch. Yeah. It's a simple. It works. Yeah. I don't I don't know if if Stu Scott was still here. I don't know if he would give me a big hug or just choke me out on site. I don't know. You kind of got the same glasses style on now. Hopefully both. You got schools. You got Stu Scott glasses on. It starts with a big hug and then he just chokes me. Maybe.  There's some really cool stories about like the original Sports Center crew. Like they used to play pick up basketball and it used to be like intense. Like dudes used to go at each other. That's for another time I guess. That is for another time. We'll talk about that another time. So feel bad for the race. I mean. Is it is it patronizing to say I feel happy for the race. They got in the wildcard. They. Won two games at home and they took the game. They won two games at home and they took the Houston Astros to game five in the DS. They didn't make the playoffs last year. So if you're doing you know step ladder bit by bit calculations. I don't. I try not to say this as.  But I don't think the race fan base is like World Series or bus. They kind of can't be because they've never won a World Series. No. It gets really tricky. It gets really tricky because technically they went three and three this playoffs. They won the wildcard game at Oakland and then they go two for five against Houston. So like there's a lot of wins there. Their pitching looks so good. And like there's you know there were some guys that that didn't pitch a lot this series that are all so good and like I also think they have some injuries like where's a is that Alvarado guy heard I know he was filthy at the beginning of the season. Like they. I think their next step is figuring out. It seems like they have a surplus of pitching. So it's are they going to turn that into more hitters.  You're happy but dude after they won that series they thought they were going to win this series. Yeah. Like that's just a natural fan reaction.  When I tip you hit. You put your bad up on my pitch. You put your bad up. I keep thinking about it.  Imagine the pictures saying that to the batter. When I tip you hit. Yeah. I could see that. I could see that I could I picture like a bad JV baseball coach saying something like that like during bad in practice you know have all the fun you want. But when I'm out there I'm on the mound throwing BP I tip my hat. You're hitting. I'm the I'm imagining like a hardball ask movie kids playing baseball. And it's very it's very. It's like a kids bop movie. High school musical ask and they find out that the other team is tipping pitches and then that it turns into a musical and that song's playing and that pitchers like when I tip you hit I got this whole thing in my head it's cracking me up. This this is definitely an off season episode but are we do for a good baseball movie. Are we doing for a bad baseball movie. Yeah we should be due for a bad baseball movie. I mean. What was the most recent baseball movie. There was trouble with the curve Jackie Robinson's movie. So let's see forty two was in twenty thirteen. Million dollar arm was twenty fourteen. Trouble with all that twenty twelve. Moneyball was twenty eleven so there was like there was four straight years there where they came out with a baseball movie and now we've been shut out. And then yeah I mean going back a little further two thousand six bench warmers fever pitch bad news bears Mr. Three thousand the rookie. Those were all in a three year span we need some baseball movies what the hell. There was a movie called The Phenom which is very slow it's not really a baseball movie but I liked it. That was Xenon the Z Cool. Zoom zoom zoom. I'll meet you in my room don't get me started with Xenon. All right. Try not to. There's a movie in 2014 called Hero. This is about a little league coach Joe Finn whose pursuit of fame and fortune leaves him with little but broken relationships particularly with his son. Sad. Yeah we need a good baseball movie. Yeah. Like a comedy baseball movie. A good one. Yeah. So if anyone's got one. Just get Kevin Costner on it. OK. Yeah. Yeah that's true. It's true. Are we done with this. I mean we'll preview the ALCS Yankees versus Astros. Everyone's in for a treat. Yeah we we kind of got ourselves. I don't know if we were excited as Yankee fans with the thought of Tampa but there there was a chance that Houston was going to go down especially after watching the Dodgers go down and they held serve in a in a very Houston way. Cole was untouchable except for one pitch to Eric Sogaard. And the the lineup they crushed in the first and then you know just to get away from an anxious ninth inning with Roberto Azuna you know Brantley catches one and Altuve catches one and it's over. I have an analogy or whatever I want to make if the Yankees can beat the Astros. Sure. It's you know when when you can't open a jar and then you hand it to someone and they get it and you're like well I loosened it for you. I think the Rays might have loosened the Astros for the Yankees. Making Cole only be available until game three Granke's got a pitch game one and five. Yeah I mean in in theory I mean we'll we'll see how this series The Rays left an effect for the next series. The Twins did not leave an effect for the next series. Yeah I said it about that game four I mean I and maybe it's a little bit hopeful as Yankee fans to be completely honest but we were hoping that game four because the Rays earned game three. They played good baseball they brought it back to Tampa and they won their game they earned that. Game four was a surprise Verlander and they got them and yeah that that's going to be interesting is that game four of the ALDS going to have a true effect on the ALCS because we thought A. there's a chance Tampa advances or B. I mean Houston does not have their rotation lined up like they want to I mean in theory Cole would be three and seven if the Yankees can jump on some games earlier in the series they might only see Garrett Cole once that's insane. Yeah that's awesome for us. Yes. Cool. All right let's move on to preview the NLCS but first a word from a potential sponsor. Cool. Everyone in the chat saying that we need to get a sponsor from Felix Greys or something they're all buying their own now which is true I I've reached out to two companies and let them know like hey I love your product I'd love to plug it give me the monies give me all the monies so until that happens don't you guys even think about that so NLCS tonight Jake Cardinals versus the Natitude I mean and talk about segue and from Garrett Cole I mean does it get any better than Anibal Sanchez and Myles Michaelis Both both pitched really well I mean I what Anibal Sanchez was thrown the other day is baseball porn it's IFA's pitches I mean definition of the old warrior given it one more role I don't know man in St. Louis is there this sounds lame but I think it's like the only way to say it like what are what are you even thinking about when you think of this series I haven't like I want to piece together the whole series a little bit and not just this game because I haven't really thought about it a lot I want to see let me find well it's going to be Michaelis Wayne Wright and Flaherty for St. Louis and then it'll be it'll be Anibal Anibal Scherzer and Strasburg so these teams met seven times in the regular season and the Cardinals won five the Nationals won two again that doesn't mean really anything at all because who knows who was healthy who was pitching or whatever happened so let's go Miles Michaelis do you think he faced do you think he faced the National Nationals what was that headphones gave out he faced them twice this year how about that OK interested yeah Miles Michaelis six innings pitched eight hits three earned runs and they took the loss that day as Drupal Cabrera got him after Howie Kendrick hit a triple off of him Rendon got him for a single and Howie Kendrick hit a homerun Wow Howie Kendrick had a triple and a homerun versus Michaelis this season how about that he's feeling pretty good about himself too yeah he's coming in pretty happy alright that was in September way earlier in the year Michaelis went six innings pitched seven hits one earned run seven hits and eight hits I mean I know the runs are low that's that sounds like traffic traffic Jan Gomes had a RBI ground out after Howie singled alright time to find Howie's numbers versus Michaelis because it seems like they're rather good sounds a pretty good Michaelis struggled in his first game of the DS in the first inning and then settled down and actually pitched really well yeah for me I think the National story and I'll keep beating the drum on this A is Adam Eaton I believe in Trey Turner I like him in the leadoff spot Soto and Rendon are just monsters if Adam Eaton has a series and those guys have a couple guys in front of them I just I just don't think that Washington lineup will slow down but it's been funny dude Washington was a couple outs from being eliminated from the wildcard they were a couple outs from being eliminated in the DS I don't know are they a team of Destiny or a team of Howie Kendrick's stats versus Miles Michaelis dude Howie Kendrick I gotta tweet this out right away before someone snags me on it Howie Kendrick is 8 for 11 off of Michaelis that's pretty good 8 for 11 and in 2019 this is the game log single single single triple homerun fly ball deep center field that's pretty good huh Howie Kendrick looking good against Michaelis damn damn you gotta get some aniball stats before the Cardinals fans listen and get mad at ya because they are not liking what you're saying about Miles Cardinals fans every fan base is just under everything you guys hate this fan huh yeah like I heard all those subtle jabs subtle jabs is kind of just what I do about everything in my life I made a subtle jab at my own hand the other day it was being too slow your own hands yeah they were being too slow damn fumbled my wallet dropped it stupid fucking hand it's not that subtle it was pretty uh pretty out there bad hands day is tough Sanchez aniball with his e-fist pitch alright how many times do you think he faced because he moved around how many times do you think he faced the Cardinals this season this season oh he got I'm guessing he got one start against the Cards one you're right congrats it's in uh April 30th so who cares matters we'll talk about it five innings pitched five hits three earned runs seven strikeouts he balked in it ooh watch out for that here's how he gave up his runs single to Jose Martinez he walked Paul De Young he walked Yachty Colton Wong single Harrison Bader single that's how they got all the runs off of them I feel like and I'll zoom out a little bit yeah do it zoom out feels like game three I know everyone is always obsessed with the even games or the odd games because if you win them if you won one, three, five and seven you win the series games one and two are in St. Louis we've already mentioned this pitching matchup Anibal Sanchez vs. Miles Michaelis no offense to those guys but a lot of the other names on the mounds are going to be more impressive this series game three is looking like Strasburg Flaherty and it feels like that is going to be that game is going to be a huge momentum swing for whoever wins it yeah we got to do game one first I know but I told you who's game two who's game two game two is Scherzer Wainwright oh that's that excites me more than Flaherty Strasburg really you hate young guys nah not really yeah I was going to say but I like Wainwright Wainwright's fun but he's not he's not the other guy you should have seen his face during game five Wainwright they just kept cutting to him right now in the dugout he was just sitting there like like a dad watching his son play baseball winning he was like man we're doing so good I'm so proud of the guys can you believe they're doing it alright Anibal Sanchez numbers vs. these Cardinals hitters let's see you think anyone owns them I didn't even do anyone else for Michaelis because how he owns them so much yeah just how we Kendrick let's see it looks like Matt Weeders which probably isn't going to come into play hey I've got one for you manager John Boy yeah knowing those numbers because eight for eleven is insane like would there be a world where you move how he Kendrick to the top of the lineup no messing with a good thing yeah no I wouldn't do that you just hope that he gets when his time comes he gets it yeah because you can't bank fully on BVP even though they are pretty cool yeah single single single triple home run deep fly ball I should go find the footage of that but I don't want to that'd make for a better tweet take up some time I already got to find out how class and I was tipping his pitches what else you got in this series who do you think is going to be the hero the hero well I'll be honest and my Cardinal fans won't like this I've been I've had some strong natitude I filled out one of those dumb playoff brackets that everyone is doing before the playoffs and I had the gnats moving on I don't know they're pitching so strong Soto has been for me Soto is the story I mean I think there's a chance that this 20 year old kid leads the Nationals to the World Series after Bryce Harper was supposed to be the hero of that franchise for what seven years I think Soto ends up being the story or it's just the Cardinals I mean we saw that they're doing everything we saw Mike Schild's speech we saw Matt Carpenter taking himself out of the deciding game and you look at that team and there's nobody that jumps out like a Juan Soto so I mean it's either the Cardinals as this organization and St. Louis trying to be a championship city or it's got to be the Soto show Yeah I was trying to see who had the best like Rendon had seven hits in five games he had a 4-12 batting average he had a pretty good series I think like his career he's being overlooked Yeah, absolutely he had the highest OPS the highest batting average highest on base percentage and highest slugging slugging percentage for the Nationals and we're all sitting here agreeing that Juan Soto is the story Yeah and that's kind of Rendon's whole career he just gets overlooked Yeah, I mean Soto's were pretty big hits basically to win the wild card and to win the NLDS so Rendon's been awesome and him and Soto that's why I keep going back to Adam Eaton if Adam Eaton gets on base with a 3-30 clip I think the Nats win because that's just too much action in front of those guys Yeah Alright Do the Cardinals have a lefty they're gonna use for Soto is it Miller vs Soto show Oh yeah, that's exciting That's something to look out for That's exciting Dude, that sucks man Oh, who's got more pressure there I mean each player's gotta think about it like the other ones got more pressure like Soto's gotta think like alright, who's your guy that's gonna come face me he's gotta face me every game that sucks for him and Andrew Miller's gotta be thinking it's all attitude It's all don't make a mistake cause that dude will hit it Well Greg Bird told us like when they played when the Yankees and the Indians played in 2017 we hung out with Greg Bird afterwards like you, what was going through your head and he was like well I knew they were gonna use Miller on me every game so I just knew I had to get to Miller so I basically like prepped for that at bat Yeah and I mean if you're Kolarak you're essentially barely playing baseball so you have the advantage as long as you could throw strikes I mean Andrew Miller's a pitcher he's not coming from the first baseman slot although he's got some good extension over there but those at bats are gonna be fun I'm excited for that The Cardinals side Goldy had the most hits Goldy and Ozuna almost had the same exact stats Jake they both had 21 at bats in 5 games they both had 9 hits they both had 2 home runs they both had a 4-29 batting average a 4-78 O.B.P. and their O.P.S. is basically the same Goldy outslugged Ozuna a little bit Isn't that wild? Yeah if you're Washington there's 3 dudes you don't want to see up and important at bats Goldy, Ozuna and Yadier Molina Ozuna I've liked his at bats because he'll just throw the barrel at the ball he doesn't have an A swing and this is my A swing he's like I'll just do what I have to do even if he has to strike out and run to first to get the RBI he's a constant threat if he could open up this series 0 for 9 and you're still scared when he comes to the plate yeah it's gonna be a good series I hope this one's a good series I think the AOCS is gonna get a lot of hype because it's two like two monsters that were on a collision course and it's like alright we got it but I hope the N-O-C-S gets a lot of hype because now these are kind of not surprise teams but somewhat the Braves and the Dodgers were everyone's favorites they were the division leaders they didn't have to worry down the stretch at all and they're both out is there anything to do you think you know the Nationals have three good starters two of them are really good Patrick Corbin is good do you think there's anything like Game 1 is in St. Louis do you think there's a little extra pressure on St. Louis to get Game 1 because they're gonna be facing Scherzer, Strasburg, Corbin the next three oh absolutely okay yeah yeah I think it's gonna be very similar with the Yankees facing Granke in Game 1 with Verlander Cole behind him like it's more pressure on Yankees to win Game 1 it's more pressure on the cards to win Game 1 so you're not down 0-1 with the three dudes yeah how's trying to find what was Michaelis's what was his line in Game 1 because then he made a relief appearance right I'll give a jakey bold prediction that'll make St. Louis fans hate me okay go the road team will win the first three games of this series so that would put the gnats up 2-1 after 3 yeah wow did I know you're gonna be a jerk call once you turn 30 I don't know I don't I don't believe in Michaelis if there's I love Scherzer and Strasburg I think there are those two are on our are on a mission from God like Randy Johnson, Kurt Schilling shit Michaelis when 5 innings pitched three hits one earned run in Game 1 against the Braves after a rocky start where he was like nervous couldn't spin his curveball walk then the caught stealing helped then walk then single then they reached on an error then got two fly balls so like things unraveled on him and then he settled down I'm now rooting for Michaelis I'm rooting for the Cardinals tonight we've only mentioned one guy who's coming out of the bullpen the bullpens are gonna be a huge factor um like even more in the 5 game set um and I don't know I guess I would you give St. Louis whose bullpen do you have more confidence in and let's let's do it but including Carlos Martinez as the closer cause basically right now right now you have two reliable closers for Washington and nobody else and St. Louis you have a few guys you believe in but you don't really have a closer right now yeah um I had a damn I don't know it'll be it'll be interesting Carlos Martinez I don't believe in him at all does someone like Giovanni Gallegos turn it on or who who steps up from the Cardinals bullpen the series um cause yeah I mean and Cardinals fans again turn your ears off but there's an argument to be said that like the Nationals are essentially stronger and starting pitching hitting and bullpen they get tricky with some things with the extra rest days in the longer series they can utilize like some starters in different ways they still have like you know Miller um web wasn't good Carlos Martinez was awful Gallegos was good uh it's a guy with the red beard Braba Braba Brabia I don't know how to pronounce it sorry I still like that better than the Nationals man I mean they got two guys and if you need a bridge a gap at all you have to use a starting pitcher well yeah and I think that's the thing I mean I think you're going to have Corbin available for game one I think that's a win for the Cardinals Corbin look great in the game five man he look great um and they're not going to need Corbin to start till game four um and I guess that's the thing like Scherzer and Strasburg you may not need any bullpen yeah but that's they're walking a fine line with the Nationals if they need to use Tanner Rainey Fernando Rodney Hunter Strickland no those are their three like they have Hudson they have Doolittle and then they have three guys who you actively want to avoid so if they're down in the seventh inning and their starter needs to come out the game's over yeah well Carlos Martinez there'll be there'll be a couple good late fireworks shows in this series yeah alright well game one tonight we're excited for it I think that's all we got Jake how you doing you uh you feel like you got any more to say or we touch everything do you doing anything for your birthday tonight um I don't know I think we're supposed to be doing some like some haunted haunted bar thing or something nice you love being scared yeah um that definitely not my girlfriend who loves haunted stuff um making that plan but uh yeah I don't know I'll say this back to St. Louis there's a good chance that I could be wrong about everything St. Louis has some really good juju going they're great sports town and like if St. Louis wins St. Louis wins this series I'm not going to be shocked at all like it's just they've got it rolling but I think the Nats are the favorites is that unfair uh are they the favorites I don't know I have Cardinals are favorites in my head okay but I want to I want to backtrack on something I said I was rooting for the Cardinals sure I'm not rooting I'm rooting for good games and good storylines yeah we like I honestly could care less who wins oh yeah I mean this is going to be a big time whoever's down one run in the eighth will be rooting for that team yeah in the ALCS I'm rooting for the Yankees hey I've got kind of a loserish baseball question but that's what these glasses do to me now um do you think the Nats should have home field advantage because they had a better regular season record yeah I do yeah yeah yeah uh yes I I firmly do yeah like if the twins would have had a home field advantage over the rays yeah well they have a better record divisions are funky yeah maybe I'm starting to come your side on that scheduling thing you get out of here my side is busy well your side wouldn't allow the twins to think they're so good yeah and I mean I just I more so want to get stars in front of people so they can become fans of guys so baseball can be popular but yeah that's I mean that's nice but I just I like the division because I like taking pride in like the AL East is usually brutal or you know if you have a hard division there's a hard division but uh when you have a shitty division like the AL Central and a bunch of teams trying to lose it kind of ruins maybe baseball this is now this stems to just like let's stop having ten teams tank every yeah maybe that's the biggest issue here yeah don't I mean you could the scheduling because teams are tanking fix the culture of huh baseball clubs I think there you could make a pretty easy argument that the NL East is a tougher division than the NL Central this year and the Braves had more wins than St. Louis and now St. Louis hosts home field I don't know it's a conversation I'm losing a lot of my St. Louis fans you're a jerk 30 year old I'm a jerk 30 year old jerk Jake why don't you sing some Nelly to cheer him up if you want to go and take a ride with me yeah Bob Dylan singing Nelly that's good make a whole album yeah must be the money yeah we're out of here thank you guys for hanging out with us for a little bit talking baseball we'll be back tomorrow to recap game one of the NLCS and preview game one of the ALCS see you later


Tuesday the 28th and we're going to be looking at primarily at the issue of the sheriff's funding here in terms of COVID issues. So I think what I'll do is have did everybody get your email mark that you sent to me or did you just send it to me? Madam chair, I think I just sent it to you. Yeah, I don't think I have it. Okay. Can you tell me when you sent it and I'll make sure everybody gets it and then Gail can post it. 526-2020 at 10.48 in the morning. Wait a minute. Oh, it's easier to do this. Pardon me, but my voice is and I apologize for not getting this out before. I guess you're not Arc Anderson. If I send it to the Senate government operations email that's on the Zoom invite. Would that get it to everyone? It should, yes, except it won't include Betsy Ann or other folks at this meeting. But we do want it posted. Well, as Betsy Ann and then anybody attending the meeting can view it as well and the website. Is that accurate? And I also just sent it to Gail so you can post it. So I don't did everybody get the email from me about the fingerprinting that they're going to make some kind of an announcement tomorrow. Yes. I'm not sure what it'll be, but Ted sounded positive. It's got a big impact on some of the problems and stuff. I mean, it's they need to be addressing it. Yeah, I mean, it's more than anybody who gets needs their license renewed. Yeah. Okay. Do we have this posted? I know it takes a few minutes to get it posted. Yeah, it will take a couple more minutes. I have to go to a remote computer and it take as long as usual. Okay, so I will then actually forward to everybody just in case. So I just got it. I think Mark did. You make the font a little bit. How do you do that? Send it enlarged. I for the sake of one page, I reduced the font size. So if it would help, I can send a larger version. If you're looking at it on your computer, you can do the little plus sign and it'll make it bigger. Where do you see a plus sign? Are you looking on your computer? Did you open it? It's on my iPad, but I can see it. We can blow it up. Okay. With our fingers. Okay, great. Yeah. Okay. Would you like to walk, start walking us through this, Mark? Is anybody else here? For the purpose? What's up? No, I just asked if Bill Boneyack or anybody else was with us. Any other sheriff? I see Gwen. Sheriff Harlow's with us. Oh, there you are.  That's correct, ma'am, Chair. So we'll just introduce ourselves. We usually do it this way when we are in person, just so that you know who we are. I'm Jeanette White from Wyndham County. Ryan Collamore from Rutland County. Chris Frey from Addison. Allison Clarkson, Windsor County District. Anthony, you're muted. Anthony Polina, Washington County. My little mute button keeps going away today. Doesn't stay up there. I think it's part of the Zoom update. It's, it's the week our Zoom updates happened. And I think some of that is that. Right.  Incorrect. Okay. So what we're going to do is turn this over to Sheriff Anderson and Sheriff Harlow and you can present to us and then we'll ask questions as we need to. Does that work? Okay, great. Take it away. Thank you, Madam Chair. For the record, Mark Anderson, Wyndham County Sheriff. The document that I made, I asked all 14 sheriffs to essentially give us a 50,000 based on our financial data. We all use a uniform accounting system with statewide accounting manual, which we worked with the state auditor to develop. So in theory, these should all be as close to accurate as our apples to apples comparisons. There are some caveats that I will add to this and I will mention them as we come across them. But for example, one county, their information is actually going to be under reported because they are able to date it until the end of the month. So Bennington County, for example, their information is going to not reflect their payroll information that they just process until they get their statement. The top lies essentially the information based on what we've lost in terms of the time period for COVID-19. And then below we break it down by county. I guess the quickest information to share is that in the time of the state of emergency, combined all the sheriffs have lost $226,365. It is listed by county. There's a couple counties that because they are involved in things like setting up the alternate care facilities and providing security for it. While they did lose certain inputs that they were expecting, they also gained other inputs. So there were some counties that did see increases. But working from left to right, obviously the name of the county, followed by whether they reported or didn't report, the annual gross income is based on the income year to date for each department. So that is based on all income. It doesn't take into account any expenses, but it's to give an idea of what they were doing leading up to this. The net profit is showing with expenses accounted for where each agency was at. For the most part, agencies were all doing well. There's a few that did have vehicle purchases. So in terms of a net profit evaluation, or there's more appropriate terms, but I'm not an accountant. So in terms of the net profit, some of the, this doesn't really take into account things such as, hey, we made a vehicle purchase this year, which is about a 30 to $40,000 expense. So there are some counties that are showing some losses leading up to the day before the state of emergency. The second column net profit loss during the state of emergency just evaluates from March 13th to May 23rd, which was the final cutoff day that we put on this report. The net profit last year today is starting at July 1st and going all the way to today. In another characterization, what I'll refer to that is what we basically have left as our runway for operating costs. The interesting thing, all but one county are considered a reimbursable employer. So because our government entity as you heard testimony when we were talking about S182, we did not qualify for funding from the SBA. And as this committee is very familiar, we also operate more like a business than a government entity. Very little of our government funding is actually tax based. Those being things such as the state transport deputies, the sheriffs themselves, and then county funding for whatever funding each individual county would give. So as a result, we are left in this kind of bizarre position where if we lay our people off, we're not able to get any revenue to come in because everything is a revenue based transaction as opposed to a tax based transaction. Because we're reimbursable employers, 13 out of 14 counties are reimbursable employers, if we lay our people off, we're going to be responsible for paying for them to reimburse the unemployment fund. And yet at the same time, we can't use them to actually make money working on things such as construction jobs, providing security, and the variety of things that we have normally done. So those are the four key metrics that are used by agency and also summarize them in the top left. The second thing that I did was we separated the tax funding, things that are actually tax funded and have continued into a column to represent the percentage that that agency receives. The theory held when I was creating this spreadsheet is that if anything that we could obtain from the CARES Act were a source of revenue, then we can't be supplanting funds. And so that column, the approximate direct tax based revenue, we tried to narrow down what was or what would be considered supplanting. And that's what that first column of percentages are. The approximate indirect tax based revenue, those are again our transactional services. So for example, I have a contract with DCF to help provide secure transport of children who might, let's say that they are a runaway or they are a risk to themselves or others. And so they are placed in the commissioner of the commissioner's custody. We provide for secure movement, especially if it's like a suicidal child. We have deputies who are trained to deal with deescalation. Those moves aren't really happening right now. And we know that as things start to loosen up, those things are going to continue. However, right now I don't receive any funding or very little funding to provide those things. So indirect tax based revenue is again those transactional services that do not take into account a consistent income. And then the approximate non tax based revenue, those are contracts with private entities, construction companies. At one point we provided security to Vermont Yankee. So that would be something that would fall into there. But ultimately the second two columns are what we think would be eligible for CARES Act funding. All in all, if things continue at status quo, we are expecting to need about, for what we've already lost about $2.5 million. And we expect to need about $225,000 for each month following July. Go ahead. What? Allison, were you saying something? Okay. I guess Allison. No, I'm sorry. I didn't see. Am I not here? Yeah, you are here. You weren't. Are you here? Mark was frozen and I was quite taken with how he was frozen. I don't, I, I see the 226,000, I see the 226,000 of laws, but I don't see the over $2 million figure unless you're just assuming that the other, the other sheriffs who haven't weighed in yet, it will be roughly. I think that's, I think it's right above in the box. Sarah Clarkson, you're correct that. So the 2.5 million is. Yeah. Right. The reported counties. That they are a fair representation of what all sheriffs will need. I did hear back after this submission, but it's not reflected in this. I did hear back from. Grand Isle County who. They're reflected as no data. They said that they have no loss. However, they do have loss in fingerprints and one other area, one other area that they don't need to pursue any funding. County was Caledonia. Who reported that. They don't do fingerprinting. So that business income hasn't ceased. And all of their other contracts have essentially continued. So they're in good shape. And I'll think they anticipated any construction work. So they don't have the expenses. So I think that's a good point. And then. Chris, did you have a question? Just wanted to check briefly. As in counties listed as no data. I don't know if that. Is really like no data at all or just that they're saying, Hey, we're pretty much good. So they're, they're not reporting out numbers. So the. They're saying that they wouldn't be able to compile the information and time to get it to, to the committee. I think the deadline was a Tuesday. Some people were their office staff were in places that were able to access the information. So there's a. Some of this is just because of the timing and short notice to be able to accomplish it. Okay. Thank you. So. Mark, do you have an estimated need? I know you have this estimated need for the whole year of 2.5, but the more compelling thing in terms of CRF money. For us is the stuff that you'd be eligible for under COVID under the COVID. Rises. And, and you have. You don't have an estimated amount for all counties. You just have the actual amount of 226. Do you have an, isn't that the money that you'd be eligible for from FEMA or from the CRF money? Not knowing the entirety of the rules of the CRF funding. And I know that that's a conversation that seems to be. Common. What isn't as uneligible. The 2.5 million is assuming. All 14 counties have a need of 226,000 226,000. Is for the two month period. Approximate two month period. The expectation on 2.5 million was. So that's multiplied by 14 counties. And it's also assuming through July 1st. Okay. Yeah, that helps me understand. Yeah. So it would be helpful to me. In presenting this, if. We had examples of, I mean, and we can. Figure out some of them, but examples of. What, where the losses were. With the direct tax. The indirect tax and the private contracts. I mean, I know. I think that would be helpful. I think that would be helpful. I think that would be helpful. I think that would be helpful. I think that would be helpful. I think that those are security at Mount snow. Those kinds of things. But if we had. Some. So that we could show that they really are COVID related. I think that would be helpful. Yeah. So the one. I can say for my county, there are several jobs slated for Wyndham County that were, we were told that we're going to be happening. And. All of a sudden they just disappeared. And so. It's a two year project. They started last year. We talked to the company and they said, we don't know when we can work. Speaking with several of the other sheriffs. There were several who they were, had deputy scheduled to work on road jobs. I forget the, the dates of the. The other sheriff, but on say Monday, when the deputy was supposed to start working. And they said the job was canceled and so those were six week long projects. We've done hiring to. As we normally have to do to anticipate the upcoming. So there's costs associated with hiring retention, recruiting, which basically that's the cost that we bear upfront. And then we get the, essentially the revenue back after they work that season. And then it takes about six to 12 months to recruit higher and train a person to be able to actually work this stuff. So there's a significant upfront investment. Then there's some sheriffs do have. Staff who have taken their. The COVID related leave. Either people who are immune compromised or concerned about their safety. And so those are people that are essentially on the payroll of the state. And so that's what we're going to do. We're going to have to do that. We're going to have to do that as well. But there's no revenue to come in from that. I'd be happy to supply numbers specifically from my agency showing the $100,000 loss. That's essentially all of our income stop, but none of our expenses did. So are some of the law. The direct. The direct tax losses. And so that's what we're going to do. And so that's what we're going to do for those, whether you're doing them or not. Both prisoner transport and DCF transport. So the prisoner transports as related to the executive director's office. Those have. Come to a complete halt with the use of video arrangements. The deputies are still funded though. And so most of them are out on patrol. And the various counties. The. The, the per diem side, we have no income from that. I would arguably say that's not necessarily a loss because the amount of income that comes in, it's usually less than the cost of the deputy. So we end up subsidizing the state anyways. So effectively it's not really that's not a loss. And that funding will be there. As things do continue to pick up. The DCF, Department of Corrections, Department of Mental Health, many of those transports stopped. And I'd be happy to supply numbers for my agency of the reduction that we had. But we were, I'd say, on average, providing probably about 30 to 40 of those transports a month. And now we're doing about five a month. And those are the most serious cases that need immediate hospitalization and require a secure method of transportation. Most of the hospitals aren't really bringing people in. The Browdrow Retreat is about the only place that I'm transporting people to, which from a dollars and cents point of view, that's a 15 minute ride for us. So while we're doing five transports, it's also 15 or times 15 minutes. It's not a significant revenue stream. And then in terms of corrections, there's not a lot of work that's done with corrections. They do have their own stuff that they do, but we also provide some services to them. But prisons have essentially gone into what I'm going to refer to as a modified lockdown, not a traditional lockdown of a prison, but they're controlling the movement of populations for obvious reasons. And I'm sure you've heard from the commissioner on the efforts that a DOC is taking to keep the population safe.  That's usually what purchases our vehicles and shares that we can pay for the variable. Another thing that also is a significant, at least in my agency, a significant detriment to my budget. We provide a communication center, a dispatch center, to three different agencies, but generally that's at a loss. And the reason why that's at a loss is because these other jobs that we do during the summertime generally offsets the costs that we need dispatching for deputies who are working during the summertime. So some of the funding that comes in from the road work and everything offsets our dispatch operations costs. So I need to have a 24-hour dispatch. We provide emergency communications for law enforcement for three agencies.  So that would obviously be bad, but I don't have the way to offset the cost because there's no funding source other than contracts. How about serving papers? Service of papers has continued. The problem with service of papers, as you're aware, I think it was S-333 that was the moratorium on evictions. I think that was a bill from this committee, but the, so, the moratorium effectively stopped us from doing a ritz of possession and evictions, which it's not a significant amount of the work. The attorney's offices weren't open. There's been a significant decrease in the number of processes that are coming to our office, but we do continue to serve them. I'd be happy to get actual numbers of what it is. However, the talking with a few of my area attorneys, part of the issue is that their expectation is that we're going to see a significant increase in the number of processes as credit cards stop getting paid. Rent processes will continue to move forward, and there will be documents that we will need to serve in that sense. Car loans will be paid. I hope that we're not serving too many divorce papers, but it's possible that we'll be serving divorce papers. And probably I was told 45 days and that was last week. So we're expecting probably somewhere around June to July that we'll start to see an increase. The interesting thing on civil process, and this was actually an initiative that we were trying to start before COVID-19 kicked off, is that we haven't seen a fee increase on civil process service since roughly 2005. And so just if we took into account the cost of living and the cost of gas and the cost of insurance and healthcare and everything else, we've seen what is effectively a loss of $15 per service, which is again something that we end up taking on the chip. So we know that, or we highly anticipate based on prior events such as the 2007, 2008 housing prices, 9-11, we see increases when the economy goes down, it makes sense, but we, similar to the post office, we can't raise the, we have the increase of cost of service, but we can't raise the costs of the stamp. And I, Mark, just for your information, I did check with the governor's office about that because he's been pretty clear that he doesn't want any fees or taxes or anything increased this year because most people are in pretty dire straits. And I know that impacts you, but I did check with the office just to see and kind of explain the situation. And I really think that if we put it in any place, it would tank the bill. I think he's pretty clear about that. That was a fear that we had, but we also understand and I mean, we've been doing it for the last 14 years. I think we can make it one more year, but we do need to take into account that this is something that ultimately is a problem and if we continue to lose money on it without having funding sources, then we stop operating, which was part of the discussion on the 182. Yeah. And I think that one of the things that we've talked about is that if, if at least putting you on even playing field with the constables because constable, the, and I don't know if everybody remembers this or not, but when the sheriff serves, they charge $15, but then they have to pay 15% of that back to the state. So they're actually paying back 750, I think is what it amounts to for every service they do. So they're getting less than $50 when the constables also charge $50, but they don't pay anything back to the state. So it really isn't an even playing field at all. Yeah. Now, leveling the playing field ought to be one of the things we try and do. Yeah. And I'm not sure where we would do that or how we would do that this year. I think that this is a conversation that needs a lot more discussion. And last time we tried to do it, the housing market in Brattleboro, the landlords just went crazy. So I think we need to, this is going to take a lot of discussion, but I'm sorry about that. But I did try. Oh, thank you. So if we assume that, oh, I'm sorry, Chris. Just a quick question. You know, we've, what you were just saying about not being able to address an ongoing issue, which is a little frustrating. We understand why it's hard to do right now. Are you, however, formally or informally putting together a list because we've had the same conversation, excuse me, several times over in the last two months. I'm just thinking that if we were all reelected and returned to this meeting, we would have a bit of a to-do list on day one when we got back. And I don't know if you're composing that as we go. Yes. The answer is yes. Or whoever happens to be back here and on this committee. I would hope we're all back here and all in this committee, but that's the decision of those way beyond my pay grade, the voters and the committee on committees. So if we kind of tried to break this down and put a little narrative to it around where the money is being lost and the lost money is used to hold up the other services that are needed, we could give this to the Appropriations Committee and see what they might want to want to do with it. Because in some of it, hopefully could come from CARES monies. I think that I don't know of the issue around the reimbursable unemployment. That's, there are a number of people that fall into that category. And I think that what I heard was from appropriations that that's, there's not much they can do about it because I know that we heard the victim's compensation, the Center for Crime Victim Services falls in there and the state colleges, UVM, I don't remember who else. Does anybody remember Mark? Yeah, so we actually have had the conversation with unemployment's general counsel as well as a few other people, including our legal counsel. And as as silly as it sounds, it will cost me the same or more to lay my staff off than to keep them working. So until, until we reach a point of insolvency and bankruptcy, it makes more sense for us to actually keep our staff on and then claim bankruptcy, lay them off, and not pay back the the fund which that I'm a business guy, it just this is blowing my mind that that's the logic, but the rules that were based off of entirely different system, it's based on federal rules, it's it's just it's illogical 100%. Did either of you sheriffs, just else not get you in a minute, did either of you sheriffs think that when you went into law enforcement and you thought this was a calling for you that you would end up also having to juggle entrepreneurship and business accounts and So I did, the my background, I actually have a bachelor's degree in business administration from Dyson Berg School of Business. So I knew very very much about how this is supposed to look. I had a mentor who was very good, Sheriff Clark put me under his wing and taught me about the operations. I've been with the sheriff's office for 15 years. It's the business side of this makes sense and the $158,000 that that we had grossed up to March 12th. Unfortunately, I was not too impressed with 100,000 that resulted in keeping our staff on when I don't have any work for them. Jennifer, I definitely was not. I am do not come from that have the same background as Sheriff Anderson. I have been a road cop, a detective for over 25 years. So coming into this, the sheriffs, I've never worked for a sheriff's department before. So coming into this has been very new to me. I was just newly appointed in January. So I've had a lot to learn and I'm grateful for my fellow sheriffs who've been helping me along, but I did not see myself here or in this position. So it's very new to me and it's a lot of learning. Well, we do have a very bizarre way of funding our sheriffs in this state and it is something this committee has been looking at and will continue to look at. So Allison. So Mark, I'm just curious because there you as a law enforcement agency, despite how oddly you're constructed under under our statutes, are you not also eligible for FEMA money? I mean, aren't there other pots of money you can be looking at other than the CRF money and they, you know, are there other pots you've explored that your work would be eligible for? So this is one of the things that you've been more bizarre. We do, we are able to apply to disaster fund for FEMA. There's, I think there's one other place which I need to go do a little research on, but at least at a 50,000 foot level doesn't look like that'll be eligible to us. So the disaster fund, there's some rules about it. One of them is that you have to reach a certain threshold, which we're now we're near reaching. The second part is that because it's basically what it's trying to do is refund anything that's not supplanted, they look at our budget as being a fixed tax-based budget and the problem with it is that really all that covers would be our transports which we aren't losing any money on and our civil process, which effectively that's already funded despite it not being correctly funded. So from the perspective of FEMA, we're doing okay there and then I'll talk about the law enforcement portion that many sheriffs do provide. When we provide law enforcement to a town because it's a contract, we're actually not the ones facing the loss, it would be the town. So it's actually the towns who are applying for it, but they have no interest in applying for and following through the FEMA process for on our behalf. So it's actually a really really bizarre set up. That's brutal. Yes it is ma'am. Chris, did um no I was just uh I was just coughing. No no hand was going up. Be careful what you're doing here. All right where are we here? Is there anything else? Brian did you? Thank you Madam Chair. I just wanted to make clear in my mind the uh the money here. So the 2.5 estimated eight counties would in essence get you all whole again as of July 1st, correct? That's estimation yes sir. Okay and then um the $226,000 monthly cost after that if I did my math directly comes out to about 2.7 million on a yearly basis, but there probably will be some changes along the way in terms of other hopefully potential revenue for you to come in. So does that 226 assume that what we have now as a landscape is going to continue that way? Yes sir. So uh one thing I didn't note the 226,000s based on the uh one, two, three, four, five, the six counties that provided full data. Yeah. Take into account the county's work. Just hold on one second Senator Brake we can't see you sneezing but we can hear you. Please mute yourself.  Thank you sorry Mark. No problem. Yeah sorry about that. I turned off the video so you wouldn't see me choking to death here but I forgot about the microphone. No worries you just continue over here in the corner while I expire. So 226,000s based on the actual loss part of this is trying to use a crystal ball to forecast what we need which was kind of the question I was asked to answer and so I wanted to at least get a foundation of what we know we lost what we are as a diving board to what we anticipate going forward. I would be permissive saying that all 14 chairs are losing 226,000 dollars times two when it's based on on six counties because I do know that two counties said they're pretty much okay and they just haven't heard actual data from the other. So the 226 is for those six agencies that reported and that assumes that we are operating under no changes whatsoever. So that's what the citrus parabas means in latin is all things being equal. So we do anticipate as the governor continues to turn the spigot that we will start to see things return. I'm anticipating having to do a whole bunch of fingerprinting based on the list that we've been amassing of people who we've had to turn away. So there are things that will lessen that. I'd prefer if we are asking for money from the CRF fund that we'd be able to do it based off of actual numbers as opposed to say I need 10 million dollars and only need five. I think that even just the optics of that would be bad and probably the auditors later would also frown on it. So the talk about the 2.5 million I guess one thing I failed to point out look at the estimate of the annual gain and loss that takes into account all reported with one county being an estimation of approximately a hundred thousand dollar loss which was Windsor County. What that does is totalizes to 1.4 million the actual number that we're estimating for those eight counties and so what I did was I just used that to estimate the 2.5 million for all 14 counties. So the some of its fuzzy math and estimations and I want to be or make full disclosure that yes we're trying to predict the future but we do know that we've lost about a quarter million dollars over the last two months and we anticipate that being we're going forward without our jobs picking up in the summertime. Thank you. Do you have any of the sheriffs had to make use yet of the emergency county reserve funds? I am not aware of any entering into it. I don't know if Sheriff Harlow is aware. I know everybody is fighting very hard not to do that because again looking at some of the the funds that are out there it becomes incredibly difficult to replenish the county and we we're trying to be respectful of the assistant judges and the funds that they've established to take care of the responsibilities they have. So in short no but I'm not aware I can ask the question. So Senator Bray are you with us or should we worry about you? Or contact Drew? There you are. I know you were worried about me before the meeting even started but uh no I'm fine thank you. No we weren't we were applauding your good work on the Senate floor but we almost always worry about you. Yeah. So I think we'll try to put this um I will work on this some with Mark and Jennifer whoever else wants to and try and get this into some format that we can then forward to the appropriations committee to look at whether there would be appropriate funding available to make people whole. It's going to be harder to to look at going forward just because I'm not sure that will be in the the regular budget I think and I don't know where they Allison. I actually have hope that if we get another chunk of money from the federal government because it will address municipal and state needs that this may fit into into some of that need not that we I mean we can still make our ask but I'm hopeful that there actually may be more specific money designed for making up these kinds of losses. I would hope so that my fear with um I mean we'll and we'll definitely try the problem with the federal monies and when you're talking about state and municipal and county is that for example we had the huge problem with FEMA when they were giving out the money that it has to go through a county um system or county government and we don't have county government we have the side judges and that's it but we don't have like county councils and county whatever you call them like the equivalent of a town manager and they had to make a special appeal to allow the regional planning commissions to act as the the county entity so when the feds talk about municipalities and the state and stuff I think they don't think about the way our counties are organized in Vermont and so we need to be aware of that and make sure that we don't let that fall through the cracks. Okay I'll try and do some work on this and send it to Mark and I apologize I had meant to do this before and I just um I don't know why but I feel more overwhelmed than I did when we were meeting in session. Me too me too I'm right with you it's overwhelming it's partly because we don't have any distance between our our mods and it's all kind of just all consuming. Yeah and and I did I tell you this about the Myers-Briggs test that on Myers-Briggs it's a personality test and they so there's one section there that you're either an introvert or an extrovert and it doesn't mean that you are outgoing or not outgoing it means where you get your energy from and I fall right on the line so I get my energy from me internally and I get my energy equally as much from others and the only others I have contact with right now are my family and I love seeing you all there but it's very different that kind of flat um so I'm not I'm not getting your energy like I usually do right that's very true and we give you lots of energy we give you lots of energy no I'm sorry I don't care I think I'll I think I'll skip my question never mind I'm gonna ask if you could test it uh Senator Clarkson to find out where she fell on the same line I'm off the chart I I am an extrovert off the chart you get no energy from yourself not as but I do get some but I get most of it from others so I had a feeling thank you okay Madam Chair yes um if maybe we could make you feel better we'll sing to you as we when we adjourn we'll stay you know have a little community sing in the committee thank you you name the tune we'll practice have it ready for Tuesday okay I will I will think of a tune over the weekend and I want you to practice well uh Senator Caldmore has a professional background to help us oh the musical the musical requirements well when um this guy Steve West down here used to have his radio show and he would invite people in to talk with him and whenever he um there's two songs there's a song about Jeanette and then there's Nadine and he would use those as the introduction when I came on so are we are we wanting to stay on you too I don't know that we need to stay anywhere if we're did we have something else we are going to do today I don't remember no I don't think so so I do you saw that the um election bill is on for it got put on notice today or tomorrow um I will not be on the floor tomorrow because I have to drive bill for his final post-op thing and he he can't drive himself afterwards because of what they do to his eyes so we're going to take it up huh so we're going to take that up on Tuesday good got any yes Brian so I'm serious about this time um I will note that the governor has just announced along with DFR that the dentists have uh been allowed let me just read the press release um if I can find it the dentists were partially opened yeah Governor Scott and Department of Financial Regulation Commissioner Mike Pichek announced today the approval of a premium relief plan submitted by Northeast Delta Dental Vermont's largest provider dental benefits in total 2.89 million dollars in premium relief will be provided to about 70,000 Vermonters after the suspension of most dental services due to COVID-19 so I find it hard to believe that there couldn't be some sort of intersection with services above public safety in the same regard oh good thinking I like the way you think they're calmer it's just in other words what you did go ahead no go please well to dismiss out of hand that any of this could come from COVID and then it would have to be delivered out of the general fund I think there might be a way to piece certain certain things together that would qualify under um COVID relief that's all yeah maybe if we can see the way they did the dentist thing we could um kind of pattern it on that sadly public safety unlike dentistry isn't tied to a for-profit sector there are fewer for-profit pockets that are associated with public safety and most public safety except for equipment is is not uh I mean it's a great idea and and let's think about it because it would be my hope was the FEMA money which I I had understood was an alternative particularly for people like for for businesses like public safety or anything involved in for business partially a sheriff Anderson pointed out the threshold to meet those needs hasn't been met and I hope they're not um quite frank and we really can I think make the case a bit that our sheriff the way we fund sheriffs in Vermont it really makes them a business a small business and it is they are a for-profit business because they have to they have to produce a profit in order to subsidize their their other services that they provide at a loss Mark yes and we either have to enable them to be that business or we need to bring them properly under the Department of Public Safety and make them part of public safety so that they aren't having to be that entrepreneurial let's really um I'm going to call on Mark but let's be very careful about saying bring them under the Department of Public Safety that's well but I mean and I know I that is a conversation but I think we need to be really careful that we don't start getting the sheriff's panic enough when we start messing around with them we don't need them panicking over something that we haven't talked about yet Mark I just wanted to clarify one thing while we do operate like a business we are not a for-profit business I just wanted we're not doing this to make the money for the quote-unquote shareholders we're doing it to better our communities so while we're technically not a for-profit or not profit under the banks regulations 100% we are revenue funded I shouldn't say 100% we are revenue funded and we rely on it and without it right and we are our precious balance all right um right okay so Brian will you send me that will you forward that to me I will let him through right now all right okay so I don't know that we need to do anything else today we can all go out and I have two floor reports tomorrow yes oh what I wanted to bring up I'm sorry I forgot this 588 I um when I went to the rules committee meeting yesterday um 558 dick 558 um dick maza said um has the press been involved in this and that um Mike Donahue had called him three or four times about that bill and they very much object to the way we passed it so I got a note from Mike Donahue and um I am not sure if the the major objection is creating another exemption or if it's this particular exemption but I did say that we um notified him and John Flowers and Wendy and Wendy joined us and we came to a resolution that she thought was fine and he wants us to bring it back into committee and take it up again and I said no just so you know oh thanks good to know yeah I'm fine I was very curious about why he would call senator maza about this bill instead of calling us or or you're just showing up that's what I meant huh we're just showing up yeah or call and say is this going to come up we have concerns about but why senator maza I don't know but anyway I wanted you to be prepared for that thank you I I will and I will send you my response to him cool thank you okay anything else we need to do tomorrow we're going to walk through the other bills that we have and see if we want to take any of them up yeah then on Tuesday we're going to um uh hear about an update on the burn pit legislation we did and I think we decided that was all we were going to do on Tuesday did we yeah I think so okay then we'll do the rest of the week um Gail we talked about it some before but I don't remember it now Madam Chair I did notice that Gwen has been with us I didn't know whether she wanted to testify or whether she was just in sort of a listening Gwen are you there Gwen oh there she is hi no I'm just on listening mode it's been um just tuning in to see what the progress is so no I don't need to testify okay well anytime you do you know if I can't see the whole screen and you have something to say don't rely on one of us to see you necessarily but just speak up sounds good okay all right committee I think


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In this video, we're going to explain how does it work, the memory in a computer system. Basically, the memory in a computer system can be seen as this huge table, which is made out of what we call little cells like this one. So it's basically a very large table with a very, typically very large number of these cells. Now, this table has these specific properties. First, each one of these boxes, we call it a cell, and it has the property of being able to remember, that's why we call it memory, remember one value. What kind of value does it remember? This is what we call the size of that cell. And typically, the sizes of these cells are one by two bytes, so on and so forth. But typically, the most typical one is one byte size. The other property of memory is that all these cells have a number. They're starting from zero, one, two, three, four, and all the way down here. And this number is called the address. Now this address is going to allow me to refer to each one of these cells by a number. How many of these we have is actually the size. So if we have size equal s, let's call it this memory has s cells, clearly the first one will be number zero, and the last will be s minus one. Okay, now that we have this table over here, this is how memory works in a computer system. Let's talk about the two operations that can be done with this table. And the two operations are the first one is a write operation. Now a write operation receives things, an address, and a value. And what it does, it doesn't return anything, but intuitively the value over here is written in the cell, the address of which is given here. So given these two elements, an address and a value, this table, make sure that this value is stored in that box. The other operation, of course, is a read operation. Read operation, the only thing it receives, it's an address. And it returns the value that is currently stored in there.  In other words, when you turn on one of these chips, you cannot assume anything about the values that are stored in all these cells. Now let's talk briefly about memory size. As you can see, the size of one of these tables depends on the cell size. And the formula is to obtain the memory size is the number of cells that you have in your memory times the cell size. And as we said before, the cell size typically is either one byte, perhaps two bytes, or maybe sometimes even four bytes. Now once you know the cell size and the number of cells, then the size of a memory is just the product. So in this case would be the size of these cells times s cells that we have here because our address value goes from 0 to s minus. Now the units in which memory is typically measured are in bytes. But when we have 1,024, which is 2 to the 10 bytes, that unit we call it a kilobyte. In other words, 2 to the 10 bytes. Now when we have 1,024 kilobytes, that unit we call 1 megabyte. Or if you do the math, 2 to the 20 bytes. If again we have 1,024 megabytes, that unit we call it a gigabyte. And it's 2 to the 30 bytes. And again if we have 1,024 gigabyte, we have what we call a terabyte. 2 to the 40 bytes. And so on. There are several additional prefixes that you can use to address different memory sizes. Alright, so after we cover memory size, we cover operations here, and we cover the structure over here. Let's talk now about examples. Let's see how do we perform data storage. How do we store data in a memory? And for that, let's assume I have here just a portion of memory, okay? I have certain cells above me, and I'm going to draw some of them, and additional ones. And we're going to assume that the size of each cell is 1 byte, or 8 bits. And let's also assume that the first cell that I drew over here has the address 131312. This is actually an arbitrary number. It can be anything. So let's start with the example. Let's see the easiest one. How do we store 1 byte in memory? Well, this is a piece of cake, right? 1 byte we say is 8 bits, and typically what we do is the following. The byte could be represented by the 8 bits. Let's say 0, 1, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, 1. But you'll agree with me that this is a little bit cumbersome to manipulate. And the trick we learned before is that we can group these bits in groups of 8 and translate them into the hexadecimal notation. This is a 6, and this is a B. This is hexadecimal. Well this notation is typically used when we refer to how the data is stored in memory. And typically what happens is that if I execute the operation right 13126B, this translates into the following action. In cell 1312, the address I store, the value 6B, which is the hexadecimal representation of this byte, which corresponds with 8 bits, which is exactly the width of the cell. So this is a result of storing 1 byte in address 1312. Things are a little bit more complicated. What if I want to store a 2 byte integer in memory? Let's assume, for example, it's the number 5,689. How do I store this integer into memory? And let's assume that I want to store that integer in position 1313. How do I do that? Well, I basically apply the same trick here, but with a little bit of a twist. However, I need to know what is the binary representation of this number, because my memory is always storing binary numbers. If I translate this to binary, if you do the math, then you end up with the following sequence of bits, 0001, 0110, 0011, and 1001. As you can see, this is the first byte, and this is the second byte. That important thing, the most significant byte is in the left-hand side, and the least significant byte is in the right-hand side. If we apply the same trick as we did before, and we manage the hexadecimal encoding, then you'll see that this corresponds with the value 1 for these 4 bits, 6 for these 4 bits over here, 3 and 9. And again, this is the hexadecimal. Now, how do we store this integer in memory, bearing in mind that this integer needs 2 bytes? Well, clearly, one option is to use this first cell and store here 16, which corresponds to the first 8, and in the next cell, store the number 39. That way, this number is now stored in these 2 cells over here. However, this is the most significant byte, this is the least significant byte. However, another possibility would be to store it following the other order. So we follow this order over here, first this byte, second this byte, but then we can also follow this convention, store first this byte and then this byte. In other words, first the thine, always hexadecimal, remember, and then 16. Well, it turns out the 2 choices are equally valid, and the 2 choices are sometimes used in different memory chips, in different computer systems. When we store first the most significant bit, we call this notation big, endian, or this policy. When we store starting from the least significant bit, like 39 first and 16 later, we call this little, and the trick to remember this is that big or little endian is always referring to the first byte that is being stored. If it is the most significant one, then it's big endian. If it is the least significant byte, then it's the little endian. What does it matter? It only matters if I tell you that in position 1313, I have previously stored a 2 byte integer, then I need to tell you also if the representation or the policy to store the number is little or big endian, so that you know which is the right order to get your bytes. The important thing to remember here is that the 2 byte integer takes 2 consecutive cells in memory, 1313 and 1314. We would say still that the number is stored in position 1313, 1313, but we have to remember that it's a 2 byte integer and we need to remember also which convention did we use, big or little endian. If a computer system chooses one of these two policies, it uses all that policy throughout its life. Let's get the last example. Let's see how do we store the string made out of five letters, hello. And again, we apply the same trick. We know that all the symbols that a computer manipulates are always translated to, first, its binary representation. In this case, I need to treat each letter separately and let's assume I'm using the ASCII convention. If I look up the encoding, I know that the H is encoded as 48, E is encoded as 65, L is encoded as 6C for the L again, and finally O is encoded as 6F. Now how do I manage to store this information in memory? Again, if I choose to store it in position 1315, then I would store the following bytes, 65, remember though that all these are hexadecimal representation, 6C, 6C, and 6F. Now the conclusion here is that the string made out of five letters will occupy actually all five cells from 1315, address 1315, to 1316, 1317, 1318, 1319. So remember, when you have to store any data in memory, what you have to remember is the address of the first cell and, very important, the size of what you are storing, and if you are storing an integer, you also have to remember which one of the two schemes, little and the unrepentant, have been used.