Good evening. I'll mark up to go to the director of the LBJ Presidential Library and I'm delighted to welcome you here for our evening with Gary Wills who will discuss his brand new book, The Future of the Catholic Church with Pope Francis, which is released today. This is day number one of its publication. When Pope Francis became Pope in March of 2013, two years ago, as the first Jesuit to hold the position and the first from the Americas, he faced many challenges. Can he bring significant reform to the Catholic Church and should he? Mr. Wills is as qualified as any to address this topic. A renowned Pulitzer Prize-winning historian, his many works through the years include What Jesus Meant, Papal Sin, Why I Am Catholic, and Why Priests. He is also a frequent contributor to the New York Times Review of Books and a professor emeritus at Northwestern University. I am further delighted that my LBJ Library predecessor and friend, Betty Sue Flowers, will serve as the moderator of tonight's discussion. Betty Sue was the director of the LBJ Presidential Library for seven fruitful years. Before that, she was a professor in UT's English Department, Associate Dean of Graduate Studies, and the director of Plan 2 Honors Program. Ladies and gentlemen, please join me in welcoming Dr. Betty Sue Flowers and Mr. Gary Wills. Well it's wonderful to be home again. Earlier I saw a lot of familiar faces here and so it's lovely to see old friends too and to make a new one and Professor Wills who feels like an old friend to me since I read a number of his books and I've always learned a great deal from them. I know you'll want to ask him questions too, so what I've asked for is that we'll have a conversation and then towards the end we'll open it up for any of your questions. So if you have questions and we don't cover what you're interested in, I think there'll be microphones and we'll have the lights up and have a quite larger conversation here. Professor Wills, I really enjoyed your book. I think all of you should get it and read it if you haven't already because while it's written with a lot of passion for Catholics and non-Catholics alike, it seems to me, I'm curious as to why you think this is so significant for a larger audience. What about this book? Well there's only one God after all and the Pope, the new Pope, still new to me, said there's only one Holy Spirit and he doesn't guide only the Catholic Church. In fact he said it has guided the Muslims, the spirit he has guided the Muslims, and that we can learn from the treasures that they have accumulated. Now that's something that the Catholic Church that I grew up in said there's only one true religion as if we had God and it was a monopoly. We were even told you can't go to a Protestant church because that would be countenancing error. We've outgrown that for a long time but for a long time we also said the New Testament has superseded the Old Testament. God's no longer on the side of the Jews. It took a long time to beat down that terrible, terrible idea.  You know we tend to equate Muslims with 9-11, with ISIS, etc. Gallup did a long, years long, most extensive survey of the 35 most Muslim nations after 9-11 and asked the question do you agree with what happened at 9-11 and 93% said no, of the Muslims said no. Only 7% said yes. And now we have people like Senator Lindsey Graham who want us to go to war with a billion and a half Muslims. This Pope in his major statement so far, the joy of the gospel said that the Quran is a great spiritual classic. Now if he can help us avoid the absurdity of fighting another of God's people that could be his greatest contribution. Do you think that he can make a difference? I ask that because if the Pope seems not to be able, as some people say, to change his own church how could he influence another religion? Well I don't want to change his own church because that would mean it's a monarchy, a dictator, change only comes from the top. One of the things I argue in the book is that change comes from the bottom and it has constantly done that. It's doing it now. We have to be careful about our terminology. I've already slipped once so far. Most people when I talked about the church and meant the hierarchy. The church is the people of God, not the rulers. It's like our America. I and many people are very critical of the American government. That doesn't mean we don't love the country. It's one of the reasons we are critical. The same thing is true about the church's hierarchy. We have lived down many errors that the hierarchy was trying to hold. For instance, right now 80% of Catholics over 80 in their fertile years practice contraception. The priests don't really worry about that in the confessional or in their sermons. The bishops have because it was clear to them from Rome that under the last two popes your path up, your career, depended on passing the litmus test that the popes had imposed. So they didn't pay attention to what was going on in the pews. They just looked up to the hierarchy above them. Well, we've had that happen all kinds of ways that when the hierarchy takes an outlandish position, the people under the Spirit's guidance just ignore it. When Pius IX, when he issued his condemnations of democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, etc., he was losing his earthly realm and panicking, and was a little mentally unbalanced anyway. Gladstone, the Prime Minister of England, said, oh my God, my Catholic constituents are not going to obey me anymore because they're all against democracy. Lord Acton, the great Catholic historian, said, you're worried about that? He said, I can tell you real scandals about the hierarchy, murderous, incestuous, terrible, crusading popes. Don't worry about it. We just don't pay attention when they say such silly things. So you have a greater trust in the people of God than the pope of God. After all, the hierarchy was not always there. It grew up slowly. When the pope was Cardinal Ratzinger, he was asked, aren't you upset that so many Catholics don't follow the church's teaching on abortion, on contraception, on married priests, on women priests? And he said, no, that doesn't bother me at all because doctrine is not determined by votes. Well, what doctrines are more important than the incarnation, the trinity, the redemption? Those were all decided by votes in the early councils in the fourth and fifth centuries. There were hundreds of bishops that met at Nicaea and elsewhere and voted. And there was a minority and a majority. The majority won, and that's why we have those doctrines. And the bishops who were voting, by the way, had been elected themselves, elected by their presbyters who were not only elected by the people, but dragooned by them. In those early centuries, if you were chosen by the people of God to be a priest, you had to become one and you couldn't escape. Ambrose had that happen to him. Augustine had that happen to him. And then once you became a bishop, all bishops were just for the city. There were hundreds of bishops in Italy alone, hundreds in Africa alone. Once you became a bishop, you could never leave. The people, you were the people's possession in a way. So for a long stretch of the Middle Ages, no bishop could become Pope because we'd have to leave his people. Abbots became Pope, deacons did, aristocratic sons of important people did, but no bishop. So that's how far we've traveled. And we're moving back. So when the earthly realm was taken away from Pius IX, he thought the whole church would fall apart. It didn't, of course. So over and over, the people of God have been guided. John Henry Newman said that the laity have sometimes been more faithful to doctrine than the hierarchy. He was silenced for doing that, of course, as John Courtney Murray was silenced for saying the American system of separation of church and state is okay. Rome quashed that. But funny things happen when the people in the hierarchy are at odds. The hierarchy all of a sudden discovered, oh, there is something good about the separation of church and state because John Kennedy was running for president, the first Catholic president. And all of a sudden, since Kennedy had referred to his help from Father Murray, Father Murray was returned to good standing with Rome. So there's a constant struggle back and forth when things become unlivable and irrational. For instance, the interdict when the Pope would deny the sacraments to everybody living in a realm that he was fighting with. That was never formally renounced. It just fell into unuse. The same with indulgences. The same thing is happening with confession right now. People are just not going, so it will drop out. Yes, you said the confession booths were being used as janitorial closets now. And there are a number of reasons for that. It had changed a lot in the past, but the sex scandal made people all of a sudden say, maybe it's not a good idea to have priests sitting alone in a little box listening to sexual sins all day. You know, I find it very interesting that you just tackle some of the most difficult issues head on. For example, women priests. You talk about the future of the church. After all, this book is the future of the Catholic Church, but you talk about it by going into the past and showing that the future that we might think we can just forecast from the way it's been is not true because it's not been that way. So you talk about the future by going to the past, which I think is a very interesting… Well, I don't predict the future. I have no power to do that. I hope for the future. But the point of the book is not to be afraid of change, not to preclude it, not to say if the Pope looks like he's changing something well. He's not a Catholic because Catholics never change. So it's a kind of inoculation of the fear of change by going back and seeing just how thoroughly we have changed, constantly, by the way, on basic things. The whole of the reading of the Church of Supercession in the Jewish… Now, the Old Testament was canceled by the New Testament. It's no longer a calling from God. That was very hard to shake and it finally happened only with the help of the Holocaust, you know, how horrible. Catholics couldn't keep up the old idea that the Jews were banished people, cursed people after the Holocaust. And so even priests who had for years tried to claim, well, you can say that Christ canceled the Old Testament without being guilty of anti-Semitism, which was clearly not true. It became harder and harder for them to claim that. And so finally, at the Second Vatican Council, the bishops went against Paul VI. Paul VI still believed in supercession. He gave a sermon in Rome during the Council in which he said that the New Testament is canceled the Old. So there was a case where the bishops finally came to their senses because the theologians had finally come to their senses and the people no longer wanted to have that hatred of Jews as part of our burden of life. And so the Pope's attempt to head off the change failed. You know, I think those stories of all the changes, which is what this book is about, undercut systematically what you could say the man or woman in the street tends to think, who's not Catholic, tends to think there's always been a pope since Peter. There have always been priests. We've always had this natural law against abortion, against birth control. And in each case, you show that always is not true. No, it's not true at all. Thank God. You know, Gilbert Chesterton kind of made me start thinking about this when I was in my teens. In his book has a chapter called The Five Deaths of the Faith. He said that the church has not always been the same because it didn't change. In fact, as a matter of fact, the church really died over and over, not only by external pressure, but by internal rot, by failing in all kinds of ways. And then it didn't die after all. It seemed to have perished. It seemed to deserve perishing, but it didn't. And he said, this is the real wonder of the church that somehow the spirit saves the people of God and the rulers. They're both interacting constantly. There's a struggle and there's never been a total split. Although people have left, the Protestants did and we've split off from the east, all of those which are terrible errors on everybody's part. But the Catholic church he was talking about at the time has survived because it learned to live through change. I compare it the church to Buster Keaton in the movie Seven Chances. He's running downhill, long sloping hill and there are big boulders cascading after him, running him down. He trips over some. Some knock him aside from other ones and he keeps going and survives all the way to the bottom and then he has to turn around. Another bigger threat comes up and he has to run up the hill through all this continuing rain of rocks. I say, that's my image of the church. One of the most interesting conversations you have, whether in this book or in another place, is about Peter and Paul. And when we think of the Pope as coming from Peter, you show how this isn't so, that Rome wasn't the center of Christianity. On top of that, that Peter was chosen because he was flawed. I mean, that this is a metaphor for it. Can you talk about that a little? Well, Peter is a kind of a mess in the gospels. He's always wrong. And yet, he's chosen as a leader of the people for one reason. After he denies Christ three times, as I say, he's always wrong. He runs away. He denies Christ. There's the sword episode with the ear. Well, yeah, that was denying Christ too. Christ didn't want him to do that. He had to heal the ear. But he says, you denied me three times. Tell me, do you love me? Of course you know I do. Do you love me? Three times, he says, do you love me? That's why he's a leader. You know, this Pope has said repeatedly now, we have paid too much attention to law and not to grace, to the church and not to love, to the Pope and not to Christ. Now, that's really grounds for hope. I love the epigraphs that you have here in the epilogue. And I want to read a few of them and just have you talk about this notion of surprise. This is epilogue, the future, a church of surprises. All of these are from Pope Francis. I await the surprise of each day. Dear brothers and sisters, we are afraid of God's surprises. He always surprises us. The Lord is like that. I would like to speak of three simple attitudes, hopefulness, openness to being surprised by God and living in joy. And finally, God is always a surprise, so you never know where and how you will find him. You are not setting the time and place of the encounter with him. Yeah, isn't he amazing? He understands symbolic language very well, the name he took, the place he lives, what he wears. You know, authority tries to distance itself from the mundane to be inaccessible. When the Pope was shown the papal palace that everyone else lived in, he said, I can't live there. It's not because of luxury versus austerity. It's because of needing people around. He said, I can't live alone. I need people around. So he went back to the Casa Santa Marta, which is a transient place. It was built to house the bishops at Conclave in very equal spare rooms assigned by Lot, and he was living there when he was part of the Conclave. He's now moved into a slightly bigger room because the arrangement for the Casa Santa Marta is of no communication with the outside world. The bishops never had that, the cardinals rather, never had that when they were living in the papal palace. In the Conclaves before, they lived on cots with bales of curtains dividing them in the hallways and offices of the papal palace. So that's why this was built. It's a way station, really, not the establishment of power. He lives there. He goes to the communal dining room. He says mass in the adjacent chapel.  He does everything he can to say, I'm like you. Which reminds me of someone, Jesus. You pointed out that he's the only pope who's taken the name Francis, which I think to a Protestant is a bit surprising since we tend to really like Francis. And we wonder, why no pope has taken the name Francis? Well, the first reason is that he was not a priest. After all, most popes want to emphasize the majesty of the priesthood. He's choosing someone who is a layman, always a layman. Also, he's choosing someone who is radical. Francis was so radical that his own followers had to tame his teaching as soon as he died. They all had to back off from what he was saying about poverty, et cetera. And then the movement splintered into all kinds of variations because some people were saying, no, no, he did mean absolute poverty. And I was saying, no, no, no. So Bonaventure and others tried to heal the wounds of this movement. It was a terribly radical movement. He was a subversive character, that Francis. Don't you think Jesus was too? Absolutely. And that's what the pope says. He says, you have to be a revolutionary to follow Jesus. That's a hard thing to hear. It's a great thing to hear. Did you have any surprises writing this book? Oh, I'm always surprised by history as I learned more about it. I have I have hunches and I follow them up. Not so much in history. I'm surprised by Francis. I was already when I finished writing that book and I'm even more so now that he's had more time to do more. And we have to remember he's walking a very fine line. No other pope has had a living pope in good graces. Just a few steps away from him in the Vatican. And the Vatican itself is full of loyalists to both John Paul and Benedict. And liberals have said, why did he keep Miller as the head of the Doctor of the Faith congregation? Well, Miller is the executor of the papers of Benedict. He could hardly reject the man who was in that position put there by Benedict. And Georg Gainsfein, the personal secretary of Benedict, is still the prefect of the Holy Palace. So he has to live with that. He's not in the joy of the gospel. He cites constantly, not only Benedict and John Paul, but Paul the sixth. Hardly ever quotes John the 23rd. He's following John the 23rd's example. But he wants to stress I'm not the enemy of the past. I'm not the enemy of the hierarchy. He could hardly be. So he has to pull us together so far as he can. He admits that he failed as the Jesuit provincial in Argentina because he didn't hold the factions together. He said I was too young. I was immature. And probably the fact that he had, there was a rift between him and other Jesuits helped him in a way. Wonderful coincidences like this do make you unbelieve in the guidance of the Spirit. Probably he was made a bishop and then an archbishop because he was at odds with the Jesuits. John Paul hated Jesuits. I interviewed the acting general in Rome of the Jesuits shortly after John Paul took office. And he said Pedro Lupe, the general whom John Paul distrusted, had had a stroke. And the acting general of the order, very popular, was an American, Vincent O'Keefe. And his first audience with the Pope, he said I don't have your experience. I don't have your authority. He said one thing I do know. The priests who are leaving now, most of them don't want to leave the church and they have great ways they can contribute to the church. Their training is something they want to use. They love to use. So why are we denying them laicization? Why are we saying they can't act as Catholics in good standing? And the Pope said to him, they broke their word. They broke their oath. They were out. And when it looked like O'Keefe was going to be elected general, the Pope for the first time took away from the Jesuits the power to appoint their own general, put in his own chosen man. And Father John O'Malley, the great Renaissance historian, Jesuit, says that many Jesuits think he was trying to kill the order at that point because he was bringing in all these new orders and favoring the ones who were really towing the line. Opus Dei, the legions of Christ, legion of Christ, Focolare, communion and liberation, all of those new, very conservative things were showered with favors while he was downplaying the Jesuits. You know, reading your book helped explain to me this mixture of politics in the church and then the very human failings. Why so many bishops covered up all the scandals, the sexual scandals. And you pointed out that they did pass this litmus test. There were no rebellors amongst them. They were church protective by design. So we have a very select group of church people in that position. Yeah. No, the hierarchy was made very tame, the last few. And what's going to be interesting now is that any bishop around the world now knows that your career path is not helped by passing all those litmus tests. And so they're not going to do it. Again, he has, when in his appointment of cardinals, he's gone outside the normal and to less recognized places. He's trying to cut down the careerism of the bishops. They are, they have been terrifically career minded, towing the Roman line in every way possible. I just find it so interesting that he's appointed so many already and that we may have a different future even just because of that. They're different people in there. But also the bishops themselves are changing. I find that tone even in my church, they're all talking less about dogma and more about charity and love and the poor. Because they, their careerists, they know that now the career is to be more like Jesus. Surprise. That's a surprise. Well, is there a particularly Catholic perspective on the big C Catholic Catholic perspective on the world, you think? Yes and no. We do have, we Catholics, our memories and connections and love of all the good things that in the church. My education by the Dominican nuns changed my life. My time in the Jesuit seminary changed my life. My heroes from Chesterton and Newman and Augustine, et cetera. Well, Augustine was not a Catholic because he was a Christian. There wasn't a Catholic. I think you're going to have to explain that. Well, there was no Catholic church until the Protestant Reformation.  We shouldn't really call Augustine a Catholic because he wasn't set over against the Orthodox or the Protestants, et cetera. They were just Christians then, as they always should be. So yeah, there is a Catholic sensibility. In many ways, the priest sociologist Andrew Greeley had a lot of wonderful books about the Catholic sensibility, which is all very strong. But we should never guard that by saying that makes us better than other Christians. There's a wonderful passage in the Gospel of Luke where, for the first time, Jesus sends out the disciples on their own to cast out devils and preach the kingdom. And they come back and he says, well, how did it go? And John says, terrific. But we came across a man who was casting out devils in your name, but he wasn't one of us, so we made him stop. And he said, why did you do that? If they do it in my name, they're not against me.  So when I was on Stephen Colbert at the end of a session, he said, you're no better than a Protestant. And I said, you got me. What makes this Pope exciting is that we're no better than a believing Muslim. We're no better, certainly, than a believing Jew. We're no better than anybody who is seeking God, finding God, being guided by God. And we have to keep our own sensibility, but not our own pride. That was the idea that you served Jesus by pride. How did we ever get into that hole? We're human. Yeah, exactly. I want to leave some time for questions from the audience. I have a lot more questions of my own, but could we have the lights up and the microphones? So if anyone has a question, I don't know who I'm talking to when I say, could we have the lights up? Yeah. Some spirit in the back. Oh, they're coming up. I can see you vaguely now. Here's one right here. Right there. Do you have the microphone? I do. Oh, okay. Go ahead. At times it seems that Pope Francis has been more popular outside of the Catholic community than within it. How do you think this will change, how do you think this will affect his leadership and the standing of the church in the larger global community? Well, I don't know what, who are the Catholics that he's not popular with? Certain conservative groups, certain, you know, those who... Yeah, but do you think they're a majority of the Catholics, the conservatives? As I said, I think that over 80% of Catholics practice contraception. Do you think those people don't like Francis? As we found out, the radical Muslims are a minority in the Muslim faith. The Catholic conservatives are a minority in the Catholic community also. They're a very loud minority. They're like the Tea Party. Loud minorities shouldn't make us think that they're the whole picture. Thank you. Thank you. Yes. I would like just an analysis or response to something that I've been mulling over that I've heard. The first thing is that when the Catholic Church gets in trouble, they come up with an older pope who will not be presumed to last too long, so as to affect too much damage, but will get them off the hook. And the second one is what was known, was it at all anticipated that this little individual from America was going to have the capacity to be so incredibly popular and influential by the curiae who I'm told they're the guys to watch? Well, I'm not quite sure what that question means. It's true that sometimes it helps a pope to be older, I mean a pope to be papabile, especially when there's been a long reign of preceding pope. And that was what happened with John XXIII. After Pius XII, that huge long reign in which there was a freezing of biblical scholarship and all kinds of things, they chose an old guy from Venice and thought, well, he'll die soon. And John XXIII did die pretty soon, but he often did an awful lot in that time. So maybe that was one of the reasons that this pope was chosen, but you should be careful getting what you wish for as they found out with John XXIII and they may find out with Francis. Yes. So there may be a theme to these questions. So one of our priest at church after he had a chance to see a little bit what Pope Francis was doing, he said if he was a pope he'd get a food taster. So maybe that's why the pope goes to communal dinner. But I'm curious as to your thought just along the same line as to, so we know that the pope is shaking things up in a lot of ways in Rome as well, and then how business is done in the Vatican. And there's been a lot of people concerned that there might be some backlash down the line. And so if we think about, we hope, I personally hope Pope Francis has a very long tenure as pope, but are you concerned at all that after that, that given some of the things he's doing and we hope will achieve that there might be in the next selection of pope that kind of push to go back in a lot of different fronts? Well, we shouldn't ask too much of a pope. He depends on us. The question is, will we change? John XXIII didn't dictate change from the top. He opened the way with the council and encouraged the bishops to do what they were doing. And it was not the initiator of many of the changes that the Second Vatican Council brought about. And when he died, Paul VI was even less the initiator. It depends on us, the people, to make what we think our spirit guided choices for ourselves and our brothers and sisters. And he will rely on us as he should. The way he handled the Senate was the Senate of Bishops in the last year, late last year, was a perfect model of that. The Senate met. It debated. There was a leak of a document that seemed to be broader on acceptance of gays and divorced. And the conservative minority combined and watered down the final statement, which was taken as a loss for the pope. The pope congratulated them on their openness and debate and published the whole proceedings. And whose side do you think the world was lined up on? But before that, the synods which had been introduced by the Second Vatican Council, the pope, John Paul, clamped down and said, oh, we'll have a synod, but it'll be secret. And he'll report only to me, and I will only do with it what I want to do. So that was the way the synod was operating up until this last one. And when the pope opens it all up, that's exactly the right thing to do. He didn't tell them what to do. He's just letting us in on what they're doing. And that kind of accountability, that kind of openness, calls for us to respond, to demand from our priests that they be more consistent and honest. I have very good friends who are part of SNAP, the victims group for the abused minors. And they're very disappointed in the pope that he hasn't instantly changed the whole of the proceedings. They thought he'll say, who's a victim? What's the procedure? How can we compensate? Do all that in his first year or two? He's not doing that. He's appointing commissions. He's appointing studies, organizing groups. He's not doing it by fiat. That would be imitating his predecessors. It would be acting as if the pope were a monarch. He's not, and he knows that. How he changes, how he encourages a change. He's not enlisting on our side, the liberal side, not enlisting on the conservative side. He knows the weakness of both. The conservatives, he's not draining them because they're mean. They love to punish. They love dogma. The perfect example of that is they love to exclude people from communion. Divorced politician, abortion advocate, they can't have Jesus. Only we can have Jesus. The pope has said the Eucharist is not a punishment, not to be used as a punishment. It should be used as a medicine. His other favorite image is that the church is like a field hospital after a battle. When you go to the wounded, you don't say, do you have the right ideas on nutrition and heart attack and all of that kind of thing before you address the wounds? You go out and address the wounds. The conservative position has been to go out on the battlefield and shoot the wounded. You know, everything I'm hearing here could apply to our country, too. Exactly. Exactly. Especially what you said about we depend on too much, we hope for too much from our leaders and not enough from ourselves. Anyway, I said he's not joining the conservative side as a us against them. He's not joining the liberal side either because he knows that we have our weaknesses. We liberals are the smarty fans of the party. We know too much. And the pope doesn't like that. This pope like John the 23rd loves the things that the people love, including popular piety, what's called folk religion. Both he and John the 23rd were great believers in Marian devotions, the rosary, things like that. I love that in his very sparse, sparely furnished room in the Casa Santa Marta, he has a statue of Our Lady of Lujan, the Argentine protectress. And not too many liberals that I know have statues of Our Lady in their room. Yes. Does Pope Francis have a kitchen cabinet or are there any identifiable individuals or groups that influence his thinking? Yeah, he has, well, I don't know about kitchen cabinet, but he has certainly has his advocates who have been with him for a while. Remember, he came in second in the conclave that chose Benedict.  The book by Ivory mentioned some of them. In fact, the conservative said, oh, see, he engineered his own election, which is not at all true. But yeah, he has standbys from the liberals like the ones who have been aged out of the voting cardinal late, but are still on his side. And of course, he has his friends from Argentina. He's not naive, although he says he is. But he's not a schemer in the sense that he wants to rely just on one group of people. He says that was his mistake as a provincial. So he has an inclusiveness. He tries to include all kinds of people. You had already partially answered my question about what is being done about the pedophiles and the priests who are being hidden and passed on to another city or town. And this is all continuing. And what you had said the Pope himself isn't making pronouncements or being dogmatic that they're having commissions and inquiries. As you see it, is there anything being done to actually punish the perpetrators and to prevent this from continuing to happen? Well, there are changes, gradual ones. For instance, the Vatican for the first time appeared before the Human Rights Commission of the United Nations and revealed what it had previously hidden, the fact that 800 priests were dismissed, were defraught that people didn't know about before. Again, the church loves to do things in secret. So when they do something good, they keep it in secret because they don't have to admit how many things they've had to face up to. He is certainly more open to victims. He's more open to everybody. He's washed the feet of Muslim woman. He's embraced all kinds of people. So I think he's trying to get the resources. It's a very difficult thing to get a punishment for responsible bishops because the whole church machinery is geared to prevent having to do that. And he can't change that machinery overnight. You know, it's always a very complicated matter to say who is a real victim? When does the statute of limitations, the natural one, not just the legal one, run out? We can't go back and rewrite history. So there are punishments pending for two bishops. If you read John Allen in Crooks or the people in Commonwealth or in the National Catholic Reporter, there are procedures going on against at least two bishops. But that's a very difficult thing. What is proper compensation? What is protection of the rights of the accused? These are not things that you can make one sweeping judgment on, it seems to me. I think this will be the last question. Yes? Mr. Wills? If we are the church, the people are the church and the Holy Spirit moves among us, do you think in our lifetime that we will see married priests and we will see women as priests? Well, to tell you the truth, I don't care. Because I think there shouldn't be priests. There are no priests in the New Testament until the late letter to Hebrews. There are no priests in Paul. There are no priests in the Four Gospels. Paul never calls himself a priest. He never addresses anyone as a priest. Peter calls himself one of the presbyters. One of the company of presbyters in the letter that's ascribed to him. So the priesthood is a later growth and later on it became a malignant one. As if only the priest can do sacraments, which are all later developments, too. So now, if Catholics get together for a Sunday meeting and a priest doesn't show up, they say, well, let's go home. Without a priest, we're nothing. St. Augustine said, you are the body of Christ. Not the thing on the altar. He said, well, when we put bread and wine on the altar, that's you on the altar. And when I give you communion, I say, receive what you are, the body of Christ. Henri Delouac showed that the body of Christ meant always the people of God in the first four or five centuries. But then the idea that only the priest can speak for God led to a kind of imperialism that only the priest can marry, only the priest can do last rites, only the priest can confirm or bishop. All of those things are later growths of this monopolization of grace and saying spirit has only this one conduit down to us. Now, we are more and more acting as if that's not true, that we can have community leaders, deacons, and others. In my church, the Northwestern Student Church, we've had for the last 25 years, 20 years, two women who are more important to us than the priests who were set in. You know, we have no say now over what priest comes to us. The bishop just sends one and takes one away at any time. But we've had two women who have led the community in all kinds of ways. When the first one retired, people who had been students at Northwestern came back to testify to her and said, you're the one who helped me through my studies. You're the one who helped us prepare for marriage.  And she also preached the homily until Francis George stopped that. But she is much more the leader of our community than any of the priests who were dropped in for a while. She stayed longer and she was closer to everybody, knew everybody. That's the way the leaders of the community, even when the priesthood did arise, they belonged to the people. Augustine didn't want to become a priest. Ambrose didn't want to become a priest. They were forced to. People said, we want you. You have to do it because God speaks through us. I understand all that. I guess in my lifetime, I have known so many men who have left the priesthood to marry. And I think it really diminishes the church. It just doesn't seem fair. On the other hand, they should continue to be leaders in their community. I think they are. But I think that they're looked upon. And we shouldn't let say, unless they're priests, they can't be leaders, teachers. Again, only priests took theology at one point. And they did it only in Latin. And so the rest of the people had to learn the Bible only as the priest explained it from a Latin translation. Again, this is the concentration of power in the hierarchy and in the priesthood. It's a very unhealthy, long development. And so that's my question to you. Do you think it will change in our lifetime? I think it slowly is changing. As I say, women are becoming far more important. They have to be because the men are disappearing. And on things like confession, the Pope, when he was asked about contraception, said, oh, Paul the Six was a prophet. He was against Malthusianism. He was against colonialism. And he says, but of course, for the woman, she's got to work that out with her confessor, which is what's happening. So he doesn't have an open break or assault on authority. He just says, the spirit is working in various channels and the woman will work it out with her confessor. That's what he has to do in order to hold the church together. As I say, he's not going to line up with us against them or them against us. I wouldn't want him to. And we're never going to get an ideal church. I'm never going to get a priestless church in my lifetime, short lifetime left. The church never was perfect. It was flawed and damaged from the beginning. The disciples never understood Jesus. There were fights from the very outset. Peter and Paul argued practically viciously over kosher food. So what we have to do is live with our damaged church and try to heal its wounds the best we can in whatever way we can. Thank you. Thank you, Professor Wills.


of more people so I wouldn't like them to be thrown out completely I think they have a place and in the certainly the properties that we've been working on they seem to have quite a close alignment to what's actually happening in the property the theoretical and the reality so it varies but the more difficult just thinking of a rural property when you change the EPC to say that it was a part of a hamlet rather than an individual property on its own the EPC went up quite substantially so they do have some strange things in it the way they calculate but it's very very complicated and I think Energy Action Scotland are working on that at the moment and various other organisations to see if there are tweaks that we can make which would be much less expensive than redesigning the whole scheme That's the point if you select that a property is in a rural location one of the measures that comes up is a wind turbine which may not always be technically feasible or cost effective and that's maybe something that needs to be looked into in terms of the EPC but I think it gives a good indication of the property as a whole I'm going back to the issue of reporting just for the sake of completeness I had asked panel members last week about what they felt about the frequency of reporting so we see that the frequency as proposed in the bill is five years just it would be helpful to get some comments on that Five years is adequate it fits in with the local housing strategy five year programme so to that extent it marries up quite well in other aspects you know with the strategic housing investment programme we give annual updates the proposals for rapid rehousing is for annual updates I think you could do short reviews annually but have a more comprehensive review every five years I think it's manageable either way to be honest I don't think you want to spend too much time you don't want major annual reports because that will take away from the focus of delivery but at the same time five years is long enough to have some concerns about what's going on and whether you're on the right pathway before you start your reporting year four and go help my Bob you know we're not going to make this it's too late so you know they can be managed within that process any other comments Just from my perspective I think every two or three years it just allows again for better reporting and it allows for an evaluation of how each programme is working and any tweaks that could be made in order to try and focus on the target and fuel power households I would agree with two to three years five years seems a bit long to me again going back to my point earlier and preceding previous five years average electricity years of our clients have gone up 37% there's a danger that if we wait every five years before looking at this that things just move far too quickly Yeah and I would say definitely two to three years I think given the fact that Andy's been mentioning how long it might then take to do something if we were if things were falling behind by the time the legislation has come into place then I think it needs to be two to three years in order that we can put something in place to improve the situation if it's or not and in terms of the substance of such reporting I also had asked panelist last week whether they felt that this should include the four drivers of your poverty any comments on that I think that's essential that it includes all four drivers if that's possible yeah Yes I agree with that I think it's really important that the income issues fully understood especially from our perspective we see income as the primary driver of people's issues with their years Yes I agree with the panel I think because we don't have our hands on all the levers to eliminate fuel poverty it's essential that we look at all the drivers all four drivers and then to an extent we will tend to focus on the ones that we can influence the most there's nothing particularly wrong with that but it means that others will not be forgotten okay thank you very much thank you very much in that case can I just thank you all for coming here today and for contributing towards our scrutiny of the bill and at this point I'll close conclude the public part of today's meeting thank you very much


Everybody forced here up being twenty twenty-three Bowman Chrome Baseball Choice. This is twelve box case number thirty-three Picker Team Style. Got Adam V with the Mariners. Andrew S. Braves. Benjamin L. Reyes. Bradley G. White Sox. Chris B. Pirates. Derek U with the Mets. Evan L. Tigers Marlins and Phillies. Gabriel C. Giants. Uh Gwonji with the Rockies. James M. has the Royals. Jeffrey H. Orioles and Padres. Jesse M. Nationals Blue J's. Jonathan L. Brewers. Joshua W. Diamondbacks. Kevin D. Red Sox. Kevin M. Yankees. Mike F. Guardians. Nick V. Twins. Robert Q. with the Dodgers. Roy M. Cardinals. Sean M. A's. Tom B. Astros Cubs. Yoga with the Reds and Rangers and you on with the Angels. Good luck everybody. We go ahead and get started here. One box random team nine dollars. Jesus. Wow. Sup Johnny. How we doing? It's all good Carl. It doesn't matter. L's and L's a matter of a score. We're going for Caleb. You gotta do what it takes. I don't care they score another point all season. Let's get Caleb. First woman Otto Rockies. Connor Stain. First woman Otto Braves. Geraldo Cantero and Atomic. First woman Otto Angels. Dario La Verde to 100. We go Dario La Verde. Now there's no rules on that. You can win both. All right. Base first Otto is Junior Marin for the Royals. I'll trade then everyone pick away. Yeah dude overall is zappy and then we'll we'll we'll win three games next year. First Otto Luis Perales for the Red Sox and a gold true gold. It's a first bowman. It's an Otto of Mike Coyote. Eight of fifty for the Guardians. True gold Coyote for the Guardians. That was a wild way that got bad enough in the air. That was unfortunate. You got base Otto for the Padres Lamar King Junior. Green Lava. First woman Otto Ronald Hernandez. Six out of ninety nine. Nice hit Marlins and a purple here. First bowman. Autograph for the Yankees. Jesus Bastidas. One ninety seven out of two fifty. Yeah I was gonna get some new Patriots here. I'm just not gonna do it anymore. I'm not spending my money on on any Patriots stuff right now. First Otto. Andrew Chavilly for the twins. I'll just save my money for Caleb William Jersey. Choice Otto. The mojo here to 150. Adon Sanchez Cubs. First woman Otto and refractor. First woman Otto one that the four ninety nine is BJ Cook A's. Okay so we got soccer next. Let's get these breaks filled up. There's a full set up promo tonight. So if every break fills up we will have three thousand dollars of break credit to give out as well as seventy Panini National VIP Goldbacks. Seventy. First base Otto A's BJ Cook. Diamondbacks. First woman base Otto Christian Serda and refractor. First woman Otto Reds Trey Faltin eleven of four ninety nine. They're all right. They're not the worst team football for surely everybody thought they're definitely they're probably not even a bottom like three or fourteen. They're not the Patriots. Oh wait dude Avenue or eBay first woman Otto for the Brewers. Base first Otto White Sox Darryl Barrero.  Blue Ray Wave. First woman autograph Zach Gelloff ninety nine of one fifty for the A's. Very nice hit for the Oakland A's. Got first auto do it again for the A's BJ Cook. First Otto Demetrio croissant A's for the Diamondbacks. And purple now. First woman Otto grab color match Rockies Jordy Vargas seventy nine out of two fifty. Everybody fill up tonight's breaks another spot for the mixer came in another spot for museum soccer. Let's go mixture at twenty five. Museum soccer at six Sapphire soccer still at ten. Only seventy nine ninety nine for a spot in Sapphire soccer everybody fourteen to go on the Sapphire full case for baseball. Ten to go on museum collection baseball it has been like three or four months they've done museum collection baseball. It's also our last case. And it's here to get two teams. Chase some Rolls Royce O'Neill maybe. Sorry Rolls Royce Lewis what I meant to say. Rolls Royce Lewis three playoff home run so far in three games. First Otto Diggle Moschetta for the Mets. Six leave. Got first woman base auto for the twins Freddie Michelle. And a purple first bowman Otto Kennedy Corona Astros one nineteen of two fifty. Then Cardamoff can't be I guess that's serious. So I just think it's shredded. No I was on sale I think I was kind of strange and Manuel Torero first woman base auto for the Pirates. Go Pirates Mets now a Chase S. Step first bowman Otto and a true green Orioles Joey Ortiz Otto one of ninety nine awesome hit Baltimore. Deandre Hawkins had a hundred forty yards today. Only he wasn't on the tight. It doesn't matter. He's got Mosch. Man in my home has got just enough on that day.  Watson is that. What's his name. What the Watson from the from the Bucks first auto Ronald Hernandez for the Marlins Justin Henry Malloy first woman auto for the Braves that works to that solid and another green first bowman autograph Peyton Williams blue Jays twenty six of ninety nine. Seager has four walks. So technically he has no at bats. That's awesome. That's an amazing day to play. How many times in MLB and postseason LB history has someone gone zero for zero with four walks. He's probably the other at bat to score in that much laying as a vaulting bitching game three because of all these pitching game three then it's a sweep that dude's for real Felene Celestine first woman base auto Mariners nice hit Seattle. It's been a solid case for Shirley. You guys are saying Chase S that first auto for the Mets and refractor first woman auto Yankees Hans Montero sixty eight of four ninety nine tough first woman auto Padres Spence Kaufman first woman auto A's Brennan Malone and refractor first woman auto Leonardo Bernal to four ninety nine for the Cardinals. I'll do a quick recap. Soccer coming up come on now everybody let's get these breaks filled up full sellout promo tonight Eddie with a spot in museum baseball and flawless football. Matt with a spot in museum soccer. And okay with a spot in a sapphire soccer. Let's go guys six breaks left six breaks to get to our sellout promo three K and break credit seventy gold packs all of our hits here we had Brennan Malone Spence Kaufman Chase Estep Felene Celestine Justin Henry Maloy Ronald Hernandez Chase Estep and Manuel Torero Freddie Michelle Diego Mosquera Dimitrio Crisantes BJ Cook Dario Borreiro Abner Uribe Christian Serda BJ Cook Henry Chavilly Lamar King Jr. Luis Perales Jr. Marin Geraldo Quintero Connor Stain refractors the four ninety nine we have BJ Cook Trayfaltine Hans Montero Leonardo Bernal got purple the two fifty Kennedy Corona Jordi Vargas Hayes you speed us Lou Raywave is yellow after one fifty for the A's got to one fifty Aaron Sanchez Cubs atomic 200 La Verde angels green the ninety nine Peyton Williams Jays Joey Ortiz Orioles green lava Hernandez Marlins and gold Coyote for the Guardians pretty solid there thanks again everybody we're moving on now to some soccer for a bit


What's going on everyone? Sam here with late in sports cards. What? Sam here with late in sports cards from 10 box Tuesdays 10 box treasures basketball mix the number 167 random team style Look again at your random results as always you can find those on the website under the results tab Well as the link that's in chat. So good luck guys do it start with prism multi-sadu multi-sadu Really good. What? After Oh, is this your uh Yeah, I probably told you about it last year. Yeah Who's league is it? I gotta forget. No, it's just uh, it's this girl Heather. Oh, okay I was doing it when I was in Miami. Gotcha. Gotcha. Got me up here and I did it another year last year Oh, yeah I got Zion chain you've got trey murphy to potential like rpa's and uh um What's it called in uh uh nt as well Good luck. All right, man All right group break of the night everybody got personal. Let's come up after this Yeah, I probably won't finish till about 12 30 or so Deandre Aitin silver green Kyle Lowry josh green silver emergent rookie word de rosin james wiseman That's what I tell everybody going to the national for the first time like the smell is the worst Like Beasley green Peyton pritchard and a trade jones rookie silver sabon lee rookie green doba doba Watch your huge cash is Stanley silver trishon thompson green k g karyloos jr our cuff folds There you go dice roll Winner what I get a one one That's two out of three do it right now Let's go that's a winner that's way through that's a winner God damn it Silver maxi cleaver I've got a twin Xavier Tillman Peyton Pritchard Yeah I appreciate that to me that's actually pretty insane to be honest mill uh Jake layman green jeff teague obi toppen honestly One of the funniest podcasts is jeff teague's podcast dude He is Yeah, he is so funny like he'll tell stories From his nba days and like won't like he'll he's just truthful about everything. It is so funny.  That's tyrese maxi and devin booker Like he'll talk about like Like when he was on the bucks, I think he was on the bucks here. They won the championship And he was talking about like When they were playing the nets and they were down either 2o or 3o and they came back in one And he was like all right game one. He's like, yeah, we're we're you know shaking off the rust blah blah blah You know we're feeling each other. He's like then game two they'd be this by 42 points We're kind of like I don't know if we got that It's so funny Silver chaired allen green savior tillman Onyeko akong wu sedique bay and rj barrett He talks about like brinn forms who is like a bench player He's like he's like shut up brinn forms like brinn had no confidence the entire series that we were gonna win Oh my god, dude Even just look up, uh, I forget what the podcast is named like they'll post like clips on instagram and stuff Rodney hood green yonis And most like all the really funny ones are all story time with jeff c Like if vaughn's and when vaughn if when when vaughn's in here next i'll ask him and i guarantee he'll be like Dude, he's like the funniest guy ever. He's hilarious silver luka Because zion you mean the two of the nba Hey That's the guy who was coming trying to get you to get have his back about not getting the yellow I know this guy's Tony snow. I can smack him on my scramble day quarterback.  I ain't heard every other game Try not to think about it I've been pouring yet. Okay Jordan awara. This is the same thing every year, man.  They're lakers That is a christian wood red asia Yannis jimmy butler devon booker and keegan murray All right, uh Do optic fast break next now. I'll do prism fast break next. It's not going to be the big some will fork the nba Dude when psion's healthy dude, he is nasty though This go kendall brown as well as a jail in durin That is a blue tray young to 150 for the honks Bradley beal walker kessler denis rodman meaning there will be a pillow nine Likes to go until 100 luka Dame widescreen disco nine likes to go Hello Is it what says 1157 over here Purple jalen smith to 75 one of 75 It's over in less than a minute. Uh, it's oh Uh, that's great We got a bronze patty mills to 20 for the spur or the nets the nets, excuse me got auto david roddy going to the grizzlies That's on that grizz colloco brown and tracy migrady Visco dosha aghwaji Variations barry smith jr. That is Shep rookie Usman jane That is disco pat bev disco lamellu killer Houston pink james wiseman 250 disco joellen bean ai drachmanoff British pat conaton silver cp3 kind of wafton Kilden johnson But no, I still think once jah's back. He's he's another guy when he's on the court. He's awesome to 150 jovic luka donchich Shade on sharp. He's got him a shredding. He's got a mature for sure But uh, if he does then he'll be fine. I think uh optic fast break now Bricks mcgowans disco josh minnaughts. Uh, we'll do a dice roll for these All stars this will just go for my guess is this break right here Uh, are this box one two three left four five six, right? It's gonna be a four and I go to the right with mine Yeah, no jordan pool. I mean Take that with a grain of salt with jordan pool Caleb houston rookie auto for the magic. There's another jingle Because the wizards are not gonna be a competitive team like they're gonna probably be They're they're gonna be at the end of the year one of the teams Is in the in the lottery for the top pick Beyonce murray anthony edwards, but you need somebody that are score points and it's gonna be pool pool Is probably gonna average like 28 points a game Between pool and kuzma. They're gonna both average Well over 20 anthony edwards purple to 99 So again take it with a grain of salt my beard white Tyrese martin. Oh, we got a gold jaded ivy go one of the pistons Two of ten Nice one there detroit Alvin Let's go Alvin.  I I think Pittsburgh could be really good I really do Kennedy Chandler Lonzo, uh, that is a disco herbert jones Let's go dude. That was awesome Okay, now ivy rookie Hollow of austin reeves I know I hope there's a let's see a logo man at an empty dude Caleb hueson yacob hurdle. We did it last week on ten box tuesday See if we can do it again Keegan mary purple triple j to 99 Disco at jail in a brunson. Well opt in Tyrese martin to 99. Nice one there for the hawks I think robinson reigning threes and base I'll do it for optic choice We got over 93 seven to go to get to 100 one Let's do it. Hey brian picking up the saints texans lions tomorrow. Let's go brian Tyler picking up a photo mixer spot Uh, what am I gonna do here? We're gonna break next. I'll do optic choice now I mean nt football tomorrow. Obviously Blake Blake is the big one, but uh, I mean we're getting to the point where like I know I saw shame. I was pretty pumped made to number four last week, which is pretty sweet Alex Caruso at j and ivy hollow autograph nikolas batum. I'll be going to the clippers I just went there la. Uh, kenyon martin jr The 88 gerrod allen choice exclusive blue grant williams to 24 Walker kessler and jaylon williams Very nice. I'll do prism hobby now Dust this real quick Yeah, we're starting to get to like the, uh close to the end of Like very close to the end for football of 22 stuff And then pretty close to the end of 20 uh, 22 23 basketball as well And chris paul retire after the next season. That's possible I thought he was going to tire at the end of last year, but I think it's probably got one You're gonna have one more shot to get a ring with golden state now silver tray Silver tray jones the other tray bary smith rookie Yeah, but there's a good chance chris paul. I could see chris paul retiring at the end of the year as well as it's not, uh Not a crazy thought gordon hayward to 199 on the blue for the hornets Uh, oh kevin garnett sensational signatures. Nice. Go into the timber wolves. Grats, uh, minnesota.  So that's great It's so funny the top comment on that. So we got like Like usman garuba and tai tai washington like a couple of rookies from the rockets for nothing and then we traded those two another young guy and the rudie gaze contract for patty mills And who's like a thousand years old at this point and the top comment on this hawks fan page I follow goes every time I think the front office is cooking and they go and do something like that. Yeah, like yep this Bruce brown to chew at 99 vb6 There's a lexie pokeshevsky. I just went there for the thunder poku are jeremy grant polsar and jake laravia and um It's just like of my four major sports teams, dude.  There you go. Shane 10 of 25 very nice, man. Take a mojo zion Take that for sure. You can throw that in the cap There's maddox lebron silver wendell carter jr. Terry eason isiah roby purple ice montae morris for the wizards to 149 There's hyper contavious cobble pope Oh, he wouldn't be my favorite. I was malachi brandon in there's why i went by malachi brandon rookie If he averaged 28 points a game. I mean hey, i'm more than happy to uh To have what's it called to have patty mills as an atlanta hawk, but until that time orange wave big ben wallis that's sick to 60 uh 19 of 60 for the pistons silver scary terry trevor keels there's a red wave london ball the bulls bradley bale hyper and jay nivy Pretty good box of prism there actually Uh, we'll do select h2 next Six more likes for 100 everybody. Let's do it. There is something taken there. We'll save that one to the end Maybe an rpa. Maybe a patch auto Hopefully cat there is zack levine courtside light blue to 99 for the bulls and silver donovan mitchell Six more until we're at 100 likes everybody. That would be awesome. Thank you all jayland suggs blue keldin johnson. Thank you to timmy for Reminding everybody as well to 25 Random five to go everybody Shade on sharp rookie. Uh, that is a red jayland. Williams. Yes, it is the 49 nice jade up for the thunder And silver jabari smith, uh, just if you're watching on your phone Brett it should be under the video title. You could hit like thumbs up Close the chat. Yeah, you can yeah, exactly. We got a gold Hello amaranth gold six of ten tiris martin or nine of ten rpa for the hawks congrats on that atlanta Nice three colored rpa Some select h2 hitting right there jake, uh, la rabia and a rj baron All right obsidian now 22 23 obsidian He came in just say happy birthday bot and then he left because he's uh Not controlled by a human he is a Probably came into his room. He was under the blanket with a flashlight Hey, you were supposed to be asleep by 8 30 Sorry, mom There's gordon hayward to uh 99 And a blue dwayne wade to 30 nice one there for the uh heat uh tyree talliburton gordon hayward That's a jalen brunson. That is gonna be a edmund sumner to 149 Nice one there congrats on that Oh, hello That is gonna be 17 of 25 palo ben caro green rookie eruption Congrats on that orlando. Who's got the magic? Orlando is brian. Let's go brian. Congrats buddy be chords and chat baby. Let's go big-time palo 17 to 25 coming your way my friend that is awesome We'll get that into a mag for you bry. That's a very nice card all right, we've got 22 23 impeccable asia team all now And then we'll finish off with nt brian. Congrats buddy We got a bar card. Let's go. We got a bar. Hell yeah, dude We will start with the pack here triple j asia red Photogenic would be pretty sweet now There's a luka. We've got Nice one here is terry eason 37 of 88 Rockets what you said it's better to get a nice low number insert parallel the medium to your player medium level parallel The top tier player probably i mean it depends like Some guys some like low tier guys have like super cult followings so that there are people that are willing to pay a lot for like Low tier players of low numbered parallels But like the safer bet would to be have a medium level parallel of a top tier guy Lenny wilkins eight of eight canvas creations for the trailblazers nice one there portland. That's cool Lenny wilkins card time. Come on, baby Oh, that's sick For the jazz john stockton Four of six one surround to find silver. Congrats, utah Four of six john stockton the all-time assist leader 21 22 nt basketball. Let's do it Quad auto shon for a sam and jake one of one a latent quad auto Gosh, man We do we took those pictures over there that one time. We're being here like that Five of five that is going to be callan sexton I think this will be a random right here. We've got a triple of tyrese halliburton tyrese maxi and Emmanuel quickly. Let me double check if anybody has multiple of them Sixers is tom b kings is and then nicks Is guy tc. Yeah, that'll be a random to those three teams at the end got first hit scottie barns 24 of 99 Nice one there for the wrappers on the rookie Yeah, you should be able to uh, I would say greg 13 of 25 game gear that is going to be damian lillard Nice one there for again the trailblazers game used Nice one here first rpa Let me go into the uh pacers 25 of 25 christ warte Recently was traded to sacramento Let's hopefully see some more minutes there 25 of 25 christ warte 71 of 99 that is going to be jaden springer true rpa Congrats on that one there philadelphia jaden springer That's actually not bad there brine. I forgot you had the pacers too Jeremiah robinson erl Dual uh jersey five of 99 for the thunder Jaylen johnson Nice one there 90 of 99 for the hawks Congrats atlanta Got nice one here nine of 25 that is going to be a jordan pool Uh, nt auto for the warriors at 98 Two more likes to get to 100 everybody And nice one here to end it go into the spurs seven to 99 tony parker On the treasured signatures Nice one there san antonio the mt box mt nt lid All right, let me do this random really quick guys again That is going to be for tiris halibur in tiris maxi and a manual quickly from what is that from inac i want to say Yes, i'm acut Okay, let me get that I see some spots shawn m with a bunch of random team spots. Thank you shawn for picking up the niners as well Bucks and bangles gone dan with the jets and a bunch more breaks. Thank you dan And dress with the jags a couple more spots as well okay Pleats Yes, it is brine. It is my birthday today actually or yet technically yesterday now Hey, thanks randy Kings who we got now 102 102 baby. Thank you all We did it Thank you all All right, let's go over to the random here guys again We've got the random for the triple plate tiris halibur in with the kings tiris maxi sixers and a manual quickly for the nicks Happy third birthday Six times on your random One two three four six that is gonna be going to the nicks. Congrats new york Going to the nicks. All right, do a quick recap here guys We had the plates of Halibur in maxi and quickly jaylon johnson jeremiah robinson earl. Thanks bratt. Thank you randy Thank you brine Damian Lillard scotty barns tony parker auto jordan pool auto jaden springer to 99 you out chris twarte, uh lennie wilkins terry eason Edmund Sumner tyrese martin lexy pokashevsky That is kevin garnett Nicholas patum kaleb houston david roddy zion 225 on the mojo That's awesome. What up towing. How you doing man? Good to see you brother Got john stockton on the bar card for a six A gold jaden ivy to 10 And then a palo to 25 And it's gonna do it for the break guys. Thanks again for the fill up next. We've got personals


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