Hey Scott, was your phone ringing? Yeah in 1997. Was your 1997 phone ringing? Yeah, a little loud What does it sound like? A little like, whoops, not that Yeah, that's like that's like when I was a kid in the 80s I used to listen to this cassette tape of 50s era commercials. Yeah, that's the same feeling I get when I hear that Yeah, like if there's a certain part of your brain that it pokes Yeah, it doesn't have to be your nostalgia. It's weird. No Ladies and gentlemen a public service reminder if you're watching this video on the Daily Tech News show YouTube channel You're in the right place if you're watching this video on the ace detect YouTube channel Well, we're not gonna stop posting them there But we're not gonna get them there as fast as we used to because they auto post to the Daily Tech News show channel now at youtube.com slash Daily Tech News shows so go subscribe over there if you want to get them faster Oh Would you like to do a show Scott? Yeah, I would also I'd like YouTube to make it possible to just move videos between accounts One day they should do that wouldn't that be nice? Yeah, if you own multiple accounts Let me drag or even not set off content ID on your own stuff when you have to That one's pretty good. That would be nice, too. I like that. But yeah stance your question I have I'm as prepared as I've ever been were you born ready? Oh I had to really work at it Here we go Hey, you know that Tom Merritt. That's one guy that really knows where his towel is and Because he knows where his towel is I support him on patreon If you would like to do the same head on over to patreon.com slash ace detect Oops already pushed it This is the Daily Tech News for Wednesday June 24th 2015 I'm Tom Merritt It is Wednesday Scott Johnson is here all is right with the world We confuse the heck out of people Scott the last couple days Veronica's usually and on Mondays came in on a Tuesday Patrick Beja is usually on on Tuesdays wasn't here at all cuz he's on vacation Brecky Thomason was on Monday We don't even know what day he's supposed to be on cuz he just comes when he wants He's like a wizard. How you doing? It must be summer and I'm glad to be the big oak tree that won't move on Wednesday I'm just here. I'm solid. I'm not going anywhere, man.  You just sway in the wind I'm just trying to I was giving myself a minute to see if I can remember who did that song oak tree oak tree Is that a song not coming to me somebody ill all right sure I'll get a thousand tweets about it I'm listening they know their stuff. My guess is before this episode's over. We'll have an answer Yeah, and I'll go all right that guy. Meanwhile. I write down the headlines so I don't forget them TechCrunch reports that the Facebook messenger app is all groans up and his left home Messenger will now let users sign up even if they don't have a Facebook account and don't want a Facebook account You won't need dirty your fingers or your Identification with Facebook at all all you need is a first and last name and a phone number That's it. You could sign up for Facebook messenger feature rolls out today in the United States, Canada Peru and Venezuela With more countries to follow pretty interesting idea that they can we've talked about before how you know Forcing people to do it has been really weird or forcing them out into another app experience But the idea that if somebody may come to your app without any Facebook branding to draw them there and still choose your app It's a very odd idea to me. I guess it just depends on uptake of the app and who's using it Yeah, they really want people to use messenger as messenger the way they would use we chat or what's app or or any of those And some people are like I don't want to have a whole Facebook thing I just want to chat with my friends So if your friends aren't on Facebook now you can still chat with them on messenger They don't have to give up anything more than their phone number and maybe down the road It'll change their mind and they'll still want to sign up for Facebook. I guess that's Facebook's bet Well happy to see this small group being taken care of venture beat reports Microsoft has officially launched its Microsoft A soft office apps that would be word excel and PowerPoint for those not paying attention for the last 20 years For phones running Android 4.4 and up It's a huge move for a company that recently didn't like Android so much the apps were previously available as previews The apps can now be used for free and you can read preview make edits to documents stored in your one drive Google Drive box drop box SharePoint all the big major players Certain power user features like track changes or custom color shading require office 365 subscriptions But this is a pretty bold great move a continuing move by Microsoft to put their services and their software into platforms that make sense And I'm I'm excited for office users Especially because we're waiting for the new version of office apps for Windows phone and now we've got them for Android phone tablet iOS phone tablet and and the you know, I am not a big Fan or I guess I don't require phone versions of these so much but I know people who do and This is a this is a big deal if you're on an Android phone and it opens up office to a lot of people It's very minimal What you can't do with these it really is those kind of power user features Which would likely require you to get an office 365 subscription anyway if you're using the apps at those levels You'd be using the desktop apps. I'm guessing I'm probably want a subscription For those desktop apps to keep them updated. So yeah, this is a good deal all around Having a strange effect on me as a person who doesn't necessarily like office And I think the reason I don't is I hopped on the bandwagon that just said ah Microsoft you suck This version is terrible or whatever you it's too bloated and office has been terrible and not really having a good reason not to like it They're pulling me. They're pulling me back around with this openness. Yeah I think that was on purpose, but I'm a little surprised at how quickly I have turned my mental block about Microsoft around The idea that I'm sitting here While we were you know looking at this story earlier today and thinking, you know Maybe I should be editing my Google Docs in word sometimes not all the time But that's that's exactly what Microsoft wants me to be thinking because that just solidifies me as a as an office 365 subscriber So that's an Adela you crafty bugger such a media as Justin says run wild Morris day in the time Oak tree I had to look for it myself though little I'm impressed dude. I cannot believe you figure that one out Nice job. Yeah well Meanwhile Google decided right now that they didn't like me saying that about Google Drive So daily tech news shows lineup logged out and now it has reloaded. Okay. Good ours Technica reports on Microsoft MVP Patrick Barker's discovery that some Samsung PC run some Samsung PCs run a program called disable underscore windows update dot exe that Disables Windows update like it sounds Instead they run Samsung's SW update suite which does keep your windows up to date But some people are like I would rather just get the Microsoft updates directly. Why are you doing this Samsung customer support rep told Barker that Windows default drivers don't always work well with Samsung devices Like especially she used as an example USB 3.0 ports So Samsung runs its own software update mechanism to make sure the proper device drivers are applied Even if a user turns Windows update back on if they reboot the computer It will be turned off again by this by this Executable how long has that been a thing and they just discovered it Or has this been in there the whole time and we just never noticed Well, yeah, I mean Samsung is retreating from from the PC world a stage They're still available in in in several regions, but they they've shut down sales in some regions So it may just be the popularity of the platform is not as good It may be that Samsung software update suite works so well that you just never noticed Until now that's it's a good question like if nobody noticed till now Was it really a problem or it may be that it doesn't happen on every Samsung device Only a very few of them that have USB 3.0 ports in particular But this isn't the way it should work the default drivers should work And so Samsung's implementation in my my guess is Samsung's implementation must be a little wonky here It just it feels reminiscent of people complaining about bloatware on Android phones made by Samsung and that whole argument It feels like there's a lot of light from that shining on this and that's perhaps why people are up in arms But I didn't know they were pulling out of the PC market in such a big way So that'll be interesting with six days to spare so right under the wire Apple has signed deals that will put thousands of independent artists on Apple music billboard reports the label collective beggars group and rights group Merlin are on board after Apple agreed to pay artists for streams during the three-month trial period Source told billboard the optics don't look good If sorry if Apple backs down to indie labels But if they back down to an artist like Taylor Swift It shows they are sensitive to artist concerns unlike Spotify who blew Taylor Swift off when she complained about the free tier Apple music launches on June 30th This has been all the talk this week certainly daily tech news shows been inundated with talk about it But it is very interesting to see this happen and a lot of people want to quickly I just want to make this clear from my own point of view a lot of people want to very quickly get on the bandwagon and say Well look at Apple caving to the demands of of musicians and I don't know why anyone's saying that this is a really good sign And I don't care if it's Apple Google or whoever whoever decides that you know what? We need to start giving a fair shake to the people creating the content that makes our service even possible and we made a goof here Let's quickly course correct and let's do it again with this other thing with more independent artists Whatever it takes to get to a place where there is a more You know equity in that market is a really really good thing and for the life You may I can't understand how people are seeing this as take that giant corporate entity Little you know getting screwed by the little guy again or whatever I can't I cannot deal with that mentality This is good for music whether it's Apple or anyone else. I care who does it this hopefully sets a precedence for that And I think it's a good thing Sure. Yeah, I can't disagree with you although. I also think that this is Definitely a corporation caving to public pressure at the same time, right? I mean Apple was touting that they were going to give a higher percentage of their royalties to artists Taylor Swift came along posted a blog post saying yeah except for the free trial period After the beggars group in Merlin by the way had already written their own open letters about exactly that same thing But that's why this source from billboard is so interesting saying yeah They couldn't give into the labels because then the big labels would come back to Apple and say well, hold on You know why did why did you agree to do x y and z if you're going to just cave on this part? But if you can make it look like you're saying oh, we're doing it for the artists because an artist complained then suddenly It's worth the PR risk and you you can have a story to take back to the labels, but make no mistake This is not about any particular corporate enterprise coming to you know Coming to the realization that they need to be nicer to people This is this is all public pressure and and strategic moves Yeah, if we let them just do it they do it of course Yeah, but to be somewhat flexible is a good sign In the face of the pressure to be flexible in that wind is an important feature moving forward and I'm glad they did it I hope everyone else does it I hope Spotify and Ardeo and everybody else kind of goes along with with this because I don't know about you Tom But in 10 years, I don't want to be in a world where musicians Are the poorest people on the planet and nobody makes any good music anymore and we're left with you know You know big artists. I don't think that's like ever going to be a risk That's that's you're you're actually spouting the label line there Which is like well you need to have harder copyright law or will won't love a world without music And I don't think you mean it that way, but that is that is look We will have music we could have no payments and we would have music and we would have good music The question is how do we best go about? Rewarding people for that and how do we best go about? Motivating people to continue to make good music. That's what the conversation fair point The next web reports that Chinese smartphone maker Mizzou will release the Ubuntu edition MX for phone in Europe tomorrow price Is two hundred ninety nine euros and includes five point three six inch eleven fifty two by nine twenty pixels 1920 pixels Gorilla grass glass gorilla grass be really hard to see through that Gorilla glass three equipped to display sixteen gigs of internal storage 20.7 megapixel main camera two megapixel camera in front and comes with silver or gold detailing the MX4 will be offered using an invite System to try to build some anticipation. You have to go to an origami wall on Mizzou's website M E I Z U No word on release outside of Europe right now, but this is the best Ubuntu phone that's been released yet So Ubuntu phone fans get to your origami wall. Hey Tom, you got to get some of this gorilla grass man It's so strong PC mag.com reports the Lenovo doing one of my favorite things that I've heard about this week unveiled its first PC on a stick Love this idea the and I'm not going to say this right the Den center. How do you say idea center idea center? It's all like one big word though. It's weird. Yeah Anyway, the idea center stick three thousand This is what it's called the device works with most hdmi compatible monitors and televisions Which is an interesting twist on the tv the 129 dollar mini pc port? Or pc sports a 1.3 gigahertz intel atom processor by the way the same atom processor used in the intel offering 2 gig of ram 32 gig of storage wi-fi and bluetooth 4.0 connectivity It's got one micro usb 2.0 slot sd card reader and ships with windows 8.1 Upgradable to 10 on the 29 so we'll handle that You will need to bring your own 2.4 gigahertz wireless keyboard and mouse however to the party but This thing is uh, I'd say if you'd laid maybe two usb sticks Next to each other that's about the width and it's a little thicker than a standard usb stick I don't think People are going to use it for much more than a presentation or hey Here's some cool documents for the board meeting or something like that Like it's it's not enough storage and not enough ram capacity or cpu power to do much else And so I don't know what the real killer app here is but I just know they're really cool and for 129 I kind of attempted to get one It's kind of a weird New form factor that's all the rage And and I think google kicked it off with the chromecast and folks like lenovo and intel were like well We can give you a whole computer in there. We don't have to limit you Because the chromecast is essentially a computer. They're just limiting what it can do its operating system is minimal, right? So I you know I I'm not sure what these are going to end up being best for But I love the idea that they're out there They're affordable and people can try all kinds of things from home media centers to to presentation displays to whatever I suspect I suspect some really cool hackery that'll happen. Somebody's going to come up with some amazing Hacks to this thing that will make it a must buy Not not unlike the way people use raspberry pies and other you know small platforms now to do interesting things So that's actually more interesting to me, but at a price of 129 that's hardly Anything to sneeze at and I think it would be fun just to have around like you got to have a quick way to hook up a tv Show a bunch of people some kind of cool slideshow And it's you know, yeah, and well, and it's you know, it's going to end up actually being Mostly bought by enterprise level customers who think oh, well, this is a very cheap way to roll out desktops instead of having And they're employed I can see my receptionist at the eye at the eye doctor having one of these Totally and everyone will be able to see it really well because you're at the eye doctor Australian broadband users take note the city morning herald reports isp x tell has terminated the accounts Of about 400 customers It says used data quote in excess of old plan requirements About a quarter of those who were understood to be on unlimited plans Got the boot anyway. They were using too much of their Unlimited x tell spokesman Ben Coleman confirmed that it was in response to the growing use of online video streaming like Netflix stan and presto The remaining x tell customers have been forced onto new plans Some of which people are complaining cost more but add more restrictions on data usage than the old plans Do you find that Australian listeners and fans complain to you more about Us when we complain about bad internet or plans that suck because I get this all the time if I even bring up on the morning show that Comcast did a thing They're all angry with me that that i'm even complaining at all with a unlimited Relatively secure great plan and they're all getting garbage plans And I didn't know if that was just me or if I was just hearing from one or two guys in Australia But this leads me to believe that it's it's a problem down there, man Yeah, it is a problem down there. There is no doubt about it Peter Wells rush to you are on the show quite often from Australia And they back it up in fact Peter Wells is usually the source of these kinds of stories He'll he'll drop them in our slack chat overnight. So we know what's going on About him. So I thank him for that and maybe the solution is to bring these stories up On the morning street from time to time as a as a peace offering like hey you guys You know when I complain about Comcast, I know I know you you've got those feels you've got those problems because And all your video games cost $90. I don't know what you guys. Oh, man, right photoshop is like $2,400. I don't understand what's happening Tech dirt reports. I can is considering a proposal limit or two limit rather Who can use a proxy to protect their private information when registering a domain name mark monitor a company which Specializes in takedown notices leads a group proposing that I can not allow domain holders associated with commercial activity quote unquote To hide their registration information like addresses phone number and email Register our name cheap has a site called respect our privacy.com arguing against The proposal I don't I don't know where I land on this. I don't essentially what's happening is mark monitor says We have a hard time Fighting the pirates if they can hide their address from us when we want to send our threatening legal notices So you should make it so that they can't do that. I can And you know name cheap and the EFF and a bunch of other organizations are like that's a horrible idea We could have a hard enough time protecting your privacy And if you don't put either a fake email Or or put your email behind a proxy on your domain name registration You are just basically saying please send me spam at that point and uh, and so that's the two sides of this argument This argument Well time will tell go go I can do as little as you can though because one day someone's going to get ticked And then you're going to be gone and yeah Uh, I spent way too much time Right before the show digging into akamai's q1 2015 state of the internet report which just came out like within the last hour Worldwide average speed rose 10 percent over q4 2014 And 30 percent year over year So the internet's getting faster all around the globe south korea still has the top highest average connection speed with a 6.3 Percent increase they're up to 23.6 megabits per second While singapore passed up hong kong for the highest peak Connection speed that means the the point at which the average is the highest rather than the average over the entire usage period Their peak was 98.5 megabits per second So almost a gigabit uh on average there Bulgaria remains the country with the highest level of internet adoption at 97 percent on the mobile side speeds range from a High of 20.4 megabits per second on average in the uk Who have the fastest mobile speed to a low of 1.3 megabits per second in vietnam? And australia had the top peak mobile speed at 149.3 megabits per second The total volume of mobile data traffic grew by 12 percent over q4 2014 So we're getting as we know a lot more people using mobile Well, it's too bad the u.s. Isn't a little higher on those lists I guess delaware what's delaware has got 18.6 megabits per average or averages. Let's see us Yeah, the delaware's average connection speed is 18.6 megabits per second I threw those notes in there because the argument is always well, of course south korea is a smaller country so it's easier for them to get 23.6 megabits per second and You know for for comparison if you're having that argument our Top average speed per state is the small state of delaware and they can only get 18.6 So even if you reduce the sample size in the united states The fastest example is still not as fast as south korea And overall the us is 19th Out of everyone which is still high on the list. There's 100 countries or more But 11.9 megabits per second on average right behind belgium. Yeah belgium of all places great. We like them John claude and all that. Yeah Time now for some news from you. Uh, in fact, you've been hearing some news from you We we got news from you all over this this thing But we always highlight a couple of them and I take that as a chance to encourage you to go vote on stories Daily tech news show dot reddit dot com help us out Let us know what you're interested in like jmb burr 26 did when he noted that windows central has a post That microsoft may ship hard copies of windows 10 after all on usb sticks Winfuture.de says they have a source telling him home and pro versions of windows 10 will be sold in retail stores on usb Instead of dvd kind of makes sense windows 10 home is listed at 120 bucks and windows 10 pro at 200 bucks So pricey usb sticks, uh, although existing windows 7 and 8 years There's can't get a free upgrade at launch on july 29. So this would only be if you're buying a new copy for a new pc Uh, see is that that's a thursday that week is that a wednesday? That's a Because that's nerd tacky the weekend and i'm just curious how many of us will enter that event with Possible pcs running windows 10 at that point make full windows I will have to hurry up and upgrade that morning before I fly out. That's what you're saying That's the trick tom be there because you're the tech guy. You got to tell us how that all went Okay, so now okay, so this the little private insight I have been wanting to buy either a lenovo or a dell And I had this conversation with darin kitchen on the post show last week To run linux. I want to run linux arch on it. I haven't tried arch yet But the lenovo only comes with windows at least I can only find it with windows I know they sell it with linux installed, but I couldn't find a way to do that easily Uh, so I was thinking of buying it and then reinstalling But what if I bought it held onto it did the windows upgrade at nerd tacky? Oh I like this we could do it on stage. Yeah, that'd be weird during like the tms Panel or something. Why not? It's about tech. Man, we'll figure something cool. I did live windows upgrade I mean, it's not that exciting, but it'd be kind of a fun thing. Not really, but cool Captain kipper who's always sending stuff everywhere. This guy contributes to some of my shows as well Send us uh, this arse technica article reporting that the eff and others requesting an exemption in the us digital millennium copyright act To allow users to revive abandoned online games. It's very interesting Uh, however entertainment software association president mike gallagher criticized copy copyright arguments That rely on games or servers being considered abandoned or obsolete Arguing that games are often reutilized and repurposed on different devices and platforms The copyright office is also considering a dcm or a dmca exemption That would allow users to legally jailbreak video game consoles in the same manner as cell phones to allow for new functionality and play Homebrew software similar protection was denied in 2012 uh, so I have a couple things to say about this real quick the Idea that old games are abandoned. Let's just say we'll take an example. Uh, mba live 20 or 2009 if that even existed But those games come they have a lot of server functionality a lot of online play Storage of local scores or your scores are still, you know stored on the server and everybody scores are compared all the time And all this stuff and you can play each other when they decide to shut those servers down those games in a lot of cases Not all but they become Kind of useless you just don't have them, you know one of their huge portions if not all their functionality is removed A better example would be the matrix online a massively multiplayer online rpg that was shut down And you cannot play the matrix online unless you go hack together some sort of homebrew server and run You know some stolen software and make it run and then invite your friends Uh They are essentially dead I mean what what I think what people are asking for is look if the game's not going to be made anymore And the matrix online is officially gone and I can't pay you to let me play it anymore But I really want to play it. Why not let these things become public in some way Whether or not that has restriction on restrictions that say you can't augment it too much or change the code too much Whatever the the reasonable solution is I don't see any reason why you should keep that stuff locked away It's not doing anybody any good and there's not like there's some weird proprietary stuff there other than licensing That that's going to get out there. Maybe that's the whole thing is licensing Maybe you know Warner Brothers doesn't want to let go of that. I don't know Well, yeah, there's the idea of Overbroad protection because you never know when lost Vikings is going to be popular again And you'll want to pull it out of nowhere and start using it as a heroes of the storm character, right? Uh, so These companies say well, we yeah, okay. Maybe we don't have uh, maybe we're not using a game property right now But that doesn't mean we won't in the future. We want to protect that. I think there should be a middle ground though This is one of the reasons why people argue that copyright protection terms should be shorter Uh, because that would make these questions moot in a lot of cases But because it's 90 years plus the life of the author So pretty much forever right now, uh, it means that when you do have a fair use case It's really hard to carve it out and there are some legitimate places where people are like look We're not going to be hurting anybody If we use this abandoned game and the percentage chance that it's turned into something profitable for the company that owns the license to it Right now in the future, uh, is is very close to zero on top of that There's plenty of games like you mentioned scott that Nobody even has the rights to him anymore, but the rights aren't public domain So you're like, well, I don't know who owns the rights, but somebody does so you're not allowed to use them Yeah, and this the same thing kind of goes for this jailbreaking consoles thing I I understand in theory that it wouldn't be that different than a phone But for some reason it kind of is Um, it's a platform with a much larger capacity for piracy Then it is otherwise with a small device or a phone that may change over time But right now that's true. So if you you want to jailbreak a the playstation 4 or an xbox one The your potential capability for broad piracy infractions broadens Substantially and so I kind of get why that stuff gets denied But I'm also a big fan of let me buy a thing and let that be the thing I own and do to it what I want to legally So I don't know it's a it's a this stuff's interesting, but at the very least Uh, this is not the end of it. I think that this as we go more digital on everything this stuff's going to get more and more Um, talked about in the next few years, and I suspect we'll finally have some resolution at least to the idea that What you know, what does copyright mean for games and how long can something languish in obscurity before somebody can do something with it 15 years into the millennium now digital millennium copyright act not aging. Well, that's all I'll say That's a look at the headlines All right now some of you may be saying tom you mentioned that you look at the daily tech news show reddit And you take a cue from that and if you were paying attention tom You would have known that the top story earlier this morning was the hoverboard Well, we saved it for the main discussion. Lexus posted a teaser of an actual hoverboard They have a quote in there from their chief engineer harohiko tanahashi talking about doing impossible things It's beautiful bamboo surface that iconic lexus grill uses magnetic levitation and liquid nitrogen cooled superconductors and permanent magma magnets That's been in research for 18 months in germany and london undergoing testing right now with a pro skateboarder in barcelona And they promise video of that inaction because we didn't get to see it in action in the teaser today a video of that test in action coming soon Now scott johnson We covered the hendo hoverboard at the end of last year Which would was not working with liquid nitrogen as far as we know Although they wouldn't really tell us what it was working with but we didn't see any steam coming out of it like we saw with the lexus one And both of them the hendo and the lexus one Do require a metallic Base you can't just take them anywhere you want. I'm back. Uh, sorry So what do you think uh, or are you back? Maybe you're not back We're having a little problem today, uh folks with the old uh hoverboards don't go on water and apparently neither does scott Yeah, uh, so So scott or scott looks like he's there All I see is the picture. Okay Jenny uh, roger since you guys are are still hanging around we'll we'll try to and scott You just speak up if you're actually there and as soon as we hear you we'll we'll acknowledge that Is this is this all hype? Because because really here's the thing Uh, we we saw a hoverboard in december made by some folks who are pretty cool Admittedly saying you know, you're not going to be able to do this off a metal track But we're going to do a Kickstarter and we're going to put this kind of technology in the hands of people And they've been a little delayed with their test boxes, but they promise it's coming Now lexus comes out with a teaser trailer that doesn't show you anything Except something that's smoking hovering over what appears to be concrete But later lexus said was actually metal Uh, and you you can do this in a science experiment. Uh, the royal institution showed a science experiment Where you super cool a superconductor and put it over a magnetic track and it can hover and fly around So is this just a big trick? I don't think it's a big trick, but I don't I see it more of a as a pr and perhaps a rnd kind of Push because I mean realistically. I mean as a consumer product You maybe get a few people to buy them because I mean just think about the cost alone as well as the resources You would need if you're using superconducting magnets, you would need Something to cool them down to that temperature and you would probably need a giant vat of liquid nitrogen or some other material But it's it's interesting like we're the only thing that that levitates that does okay are maglev trains The ones they have in china and I think I'm not sure they have them in germany Even though they were designed to built in germany where they essentially do away Well, they have wheels But they do away with wheels when they run and essentially magnets pull the train up off the track The idea is that you get less resistance and therefore you can retain higher speeds and Potentially higher energy savings even though you would draw a lot of power just to lift the train up So it's Can you can you clarify that a little bit because my question was about this entire technology? I want you I watched a bunch of videos before today's episode I wanted to get clear on what had been done up to this point Kind of what the idea is behind the tech word tom shared in this great video showing this Kind of rad small scale example of how this sort of thing would work on a big Mobius ring, which is pretty neat mobius strip rather Um, but when it's when we talk about high speed trains in asia and other places Are they I mean, I've always assumed there were like magnets involved and that there was no resistance at all Only in the maglev trains a majority of the high speed trains still run on wheels But they run on special track that have to be high of high precision because you're in a rolling Doing close. I guess the new shin kansans do over 200 miles an hour They're they're running on special wheels and running on special track And that's part of the cost is that all that stuff costs money It's one reason why the whole california high speed rail Uh debacle is mired in so much controversy money It's because it costs a lot of money to make something go very very fast All right, but let's let's let's go back from getting into talking about the train industry But I want to pull us back towards hoverboards uh and and talk about that because There's less of a cost issue and as far as like roll out and in an industrial and more of a usage issue Which is the hendo hoverboard you could steer they showed how you could actually steer Uh, this lexus hoverboard looks more like it's It's just super cool super conductor, which I don't know if they've come up with nifty ways to steer They haven't said that yet, but it's not obvious that they have So then you have to be on a metal surface not necessarily a track But you have to be on a metal surface and you have to have put in some kind of steering Uh, and I'm not sure I'm I'm not sure just how usable this Actually is or if it's just for kicks, which may be fine. You feel like proof of concept is what's happening here They just want to show that look it actually really truly functions that a guy can safely Go the length of a football field without wiping out or dying and and maybe this could lead to innovations with car technology and other transportation technology that it isn't just limited Uh, you know to to a small personal device like that that to me seems like what they're doing because the ultimate goal would be Hey, every freeway has asphalt in it We figured out a way for that to repel the smooth surface of the thing and now we're all driving on You know, if you're talking usage scenario, I I have a very hard time believing that it would be used in any kind of mass produced consumer product However, I do see it being a replacement for traditional coaster style rides at amusement parks Where an individual instead of being strapped into essentially what is a rail a rail and and a wheel vehicle You could say like, oh it'd be like a slip and slide where you just kind of Do a luge or what's the other one skeleton where you just kind of lay on it and then you can kind of guide it And the great thing is of course, you're floating Right and so a lot of the dynamics that you would get if you're on a wheel vehicle would suddenly not be there anymore And you could get kind of the sensation of gliding Over but because you need a special track to do it. I don't I don't see it being used as a mass transit or a personal transportation device Well, my favorite my favorite about this. Oh go ahead, jenny I was just gonna say when can we use it as a skateboard? This is all I want to know I was gonna say the same thing which is like well, then you could just make a skate park when you rent these So it's kind of like bumper cars. Yeah, totally practical The hendo one seems a lot farther along and a lot more practical to me though It seems like they're just using copper surface Uh, which which doesn't require any any liquid nitrogen That seems easier to produce And they had an accelerometer gyroscope control system that they talked about where it would read your pressure inputs And then it would actually move the hoverboard not you But it would be as if you were moving it because it would respond to your tilts and and the way you move your foot That that seemed a lot better and they're having problems. They're having delays I'm a little suspicious of this lexus thing because hey gets back to the future two year And in october they want to like get a bunch of people looking at their videos and thinking about lexi Or whatever the plural of lexus Yeah, uh, so This just does seem to me like that royal institution video that scott was talking about Rit large which is a bit of an achievement, right? If you can support a human standing on it and maybe even provide some control I guess that is kind of cool But I I see the hendo one actually turning into Something that you could go to a skate park like jenny's talking about I'm not sure that the lexus one is anything more than a gimmick Well, if this is true that they've been in research for 18 months They've been working on it in germany and london and a pro skateboarder They don't give a name But a pro skateboarder is currently testing it in barcelona a video of which is supposed to surface soon I think that could say a lot and it may it may lean entirely toward it being a recreational type device and not A a stab at changing the way we transport when we transport I definitely see it as kind of a leisure activity like something that you would go to A park or perhaps like you know A warehouse that's set up for this and you pay like here's my here's my $10 entry fee You know they give you a rental board that they take care of Uh, you know you you get your few you know you get your you know 10-minute lesson and you go out and try And see if you can do a do a morning McFly Be kind of cool. Yeah, but it's also the the thing about the the hendo is that it's it's a relatively low ride height I mean, it's like what is it a an inch? Yeah inch off so You know that that could be interesting too because like if you were to do a jump off it Would you auger the the bottom of the board into the Into the surface, you know on a skateboard when you when you when you do something like an all year or a ramp You come back down on the wheel the wheel still will turn even if you land on it really hard So i'm wondering what what you can and cannot do much bounce. Yeah It's really getting rich bioCal points out that Hover palette movers in a warehouse could be a use for this also the hendo needs thick copper It's not I said a sheet of copper, but that kind of applies a thin sheet It's a thick very thick sheet of copper there And lauroman says it's probably easier to have liquid nitrogen as opposed to copper Those aren't either ores the liquid nitrogen system that lexus is showing would still need a metal Surface to to work over but maybe it's a cheaper metal. I don't know copper's not not cheap Yeah, I don't think you could do a warehouse I I see I see flotation pads based on like Blown air like a hovercraft being more practical for a warehouse situation than Magnetics when it gets all when it gets practical for every situation is when we don't need to worry about the metal floor And I don't know what that is or what that is or how the technology ever evolves to it say accommodate Cement and asphalt and everything else that we already have sort of down But when that happens all bets are off and the world changes until that It's a little specialized because you got to change the surface of everything Now i'm glad we we we dragged jenny in here because I was going to drag her in here anyway for the pick of the day From al who decided to watch the Bethesda announcement and then wanted to order fallout 4 and then it was sold out But then found a website called now in stock net signed up for a free account They notify you by text email or both when your item you're looking for becomes available They have a large selection of items you can get notifications for like game systems video cards frozen merchandise cameras I assume he means the disney series not just like peas Oh, yeah Hot tickets for kids there right right. Yeah, that makes more sense So al signed up got a text alert around 8 30 last friday night while grocery shopping probably for frozen peas And was able to pre-order his copy from amazon He's now very happy and his wife thinks he's crazy But wanted to share because he's noticed this becoming a big issue people buying up stuff early and then selling it on ebay And those of us who are not quick enough get screwed Al says, I know it's capitalism, but it still sucks So anyway, this is not an advertisement. These pics are just from you and al said I I really wanted people to know about now in stock Now in stock net now. Jenny. I know you were able to get in on the fallout Order, did you use something like this? So I saw now in stock net in our email and I went and checked it out and I tried to order it from walmart But it went to a blank page So I feel like maybe walmart didn't have it as much in stock or it had just stolen out or something But I had it earlier right when I heard the the announcement signed up for the amazon alert And it came to my email and I clicked through and I pre-ordered and I am so look at me I'm already wearing wrist guards in preparation for my pip boy. Is it november yet? And when will it be november want to hear my prediction? Here's my prediction. Jenny you're gonna get that thing You're gonna wear it once put the phone in it show everybody laugh for about five seconds And then you're gonna never if it's comfortable if it's actually even vaguely ergonomic I'm going to wear it forever You just made sure that jenny will wear this for as long as possible What you're gonna do is you're gonna take it you're gonna put it away and then you're gonna wear it for Either halloween or some sort of convention cosplay Absolutely Send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show com and you can find my picks at daily tech news show com slash picks In fact, we put a lot of your picks there as well. I got a couple emails about undo send rich from lovely cleveland thinks That one of the benefits of using a desktop email client is that you can control when you send and receive your email I have outlook set to only send and receive at the top of the hour He says which basically gives me a nice big window for undoing any Misconceived missives. He says dts has benefited from this numerous times. I like all of his emails But maybe that's why as a side benefit it helps my productivity in that my inbox isn't constantly drawing my attention Away from the task at hand. I'm sure there's some mobile client that could do the same for your phone Luckily, I don't have to deal with that for work Obviously, it's not as convenient as a web mail client and using gmail undo send has saved me from a couple of typos But I actually like the control of a good old desktop client And then jason wrote in and said i'm excited about undo send I often send an email by mistake using the email shortcut command enter and it's super frustrating when this happens Having the ability to quickly stop the email from actually being sent is amazing I'm disappointed to see that the feature has not been included in the inbox by google But it is an inbox by google. It is I have inbox by google and I was able to do it under settings It wasn't at launch you had to you I don't think it existed at launch I may have come later in a patch, but uh, he's right that it wasn't always there, but it is It's very look it's there now jason Scott from blazing hot maryland who is also a co-executive producer Wanted to provide a follow-up on the story that veronica got a chuckle out on tuesday's episode about the navy paying a boatload of money He says bad pun intended to keep xp updated scott says i work with a lot of government agencies that have a very Legitimate reason to stay on xp one example is a very large-scale security system with the primary application being a 16-bit piece of software That depends on ipx which was deprecated in windows 7 We tried moving it to windows 7 and nothing worked. So we went back Another example is a highly specialized system for secure hf radio messaging that goes even farther back and runs on ms dos Yes, I am responsible to keep a few dozen machines running windows 3.1 up and running And it makes me giggle every time they call me with an issue In both cases the software makers have gone out of business since neither system shows any sign of breaking There's no motivation to spend taxpayer dollars on a more modern alternative Well, that's the drill that's the tear isn't it like we don't want to spend extra tax money on anything But then these kinds of things which you don't think of because they're so invisible to us they they Go old real quick and before you know it you're like man We're running this on dos this can't possibly be the best most secure way to do anything And we're unwilling to spend money on that. I don't know I think part of the the issue especially when you talk about Governments and especially the military there's a lot of these stuff is layered in other words There's a lot of processes that run on top of it And if it means that you change that then you got to change everything else that relies on it So it's not just directly that software even updating those machines. It's everything else That's the you know, it's the protocols It's you know the the whole thing that you know you you need whether it's For sending, you know secret messages or anything like that You you have all these, you know You have all these procedures and things that you need to follow that have to be rewritten And then they need to be reevaluated and then revalidated and tested again And if you already spend money doing all that I'm not sure if you want to go through And redo it it reminds me the whole thing when the when nasa was looking for 80 86 pcs honey, baby because they needed to replace some of the uh the the shuttle Pcs aboard the shuttle or the the cpus aboard the shuttle to just find 80 86 is even if they had to pay extra for them because they're rare Then it would be to revalidate retest and get up to safety speed On the older stuff. So you may even with the amount they're paying for xp support. They may be saving money Yeah, plus you got to imagine there's some voices in government saying we'll move it all to the web What are you doing? That's quickly and so slow and back into it. I'm not protecting servers like Omp did yeah, and that gets bad real quick So I kind of get where they're at but it is funny to be it must be funny to be that guy that gets called to say Yeah, this three one machine of the final problem with program manager That is that is some good job security. Yeah, right? Uh and finally joe the pilot, uh wrote in a very comprehensive view of What happens with flight plan systems? Responding to what for onica and I were talking about yesterday regarding the polish airline And uh, it was way too long for me to read on the show But it was so good that I I put it up on the blog at daily tech news show dot com So I guess we now have a guest post for the first time Uh, so joe the pilot wrote it check it out daily tech news show dot com Uh, he said the the tldr version is just make sure your audience knows there's no way in hell A plane is in danger from a d-dos attack on a flight planning software system He says these are his words and he is a pilot pilots are dumb, but not that kind of dumb I'd say we're almost bulletproof from that kind of attack in every way However, I do apologize in advance for delays to the operation while the hackers hack Yeah, there you go. It's really well written. I I saw the post after you was great. Yeah, it's really good Yeah, thank you joe uh for for writing that in and for letting us post it Uh on on the blog. I hope people enjoy that and uh Shoot we got we got like four times a cast suddenly Thanks to a little internet glitches Thank you, jenny josephson for jumping in and saving the day Hey Go to tell it anyway dot com folks if you want to hear more of jenny's brilliance And her hosting abilities and storytelling abilities and amazing friends who have great stories Um, everyone who's on this show now is going to be on that show at some point. You've been warned. Oh, yeah Hey I think the time's already admission achieved I admitted when I was a villain. So if you want to find out what that was go check out tell anyway dot com Roger chang. Thank you for jumping in with the insights man. That was awesome. 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Justin robert young talk to you then Diamond club hopes you have enjoyed this bro The show is part of the frog pants network get more at frog pants dot com Excellent, I did it backwards order. It's all right screwed me up day was weird I got editing to do what I don't do editing The whole reason I created this like mouse trap like system This rhub goldberg system that I use is merely to prevent me from having to do editing I do that in the same thing in the morning show whenever there's a glitch like that I freaking hate it. Let me ask you. Do you want me to fix the video? Uh Sure Well, yeah, I'm saying I don't yeah, I love that idea of fixing the video But I don't know how that works on the youtube side I guess we leave the one that's going to be up there automatically until you fixed it and then take that one down and replace it Because you can't upload you can't replace one directly. You'd have to delete one. Yeah, I would have I Yeah, the only issue is it wouldn't show up and I actually know it would show up in order because it'd be the most recent one Yeah So I think that's Jenny that sounds right. We just we just we just leave this one up broken for the record Until until the fixed one is ready then upload the fixed one then delete the original one I mean, I'm an archivist. I say never delete the first one, but I leave it to you Well, let's unpublish it make it right make it make it unlisted Yeah, yeah That way people can still get to it if they want. Yeah, and then show up in them Yeah That's good um ps I should first of all we should do the titles and then I should make a disclaimer which was um What I meant to say about tell it anyways that I'm going to hound everybody on the show to be on that show At some point not that they're already booked because that would be presumptuous Oh, you're booked. I'll totally go also We've been waiting to ask you scott because a we've been waiting and be Nurtacular, that's a lot The hard part for me is going to be what story have I not already told right? That's the other thing too. It's like we want you to tell a real doozy to be honest Yeah, tin vex giving me uh giving me a hard time. He's like the that you were not the villain of that story tom You sandbagged Wait, do these stories have to be truthful? Yes I mean, I don't get all up on people about dates and times because I can't hardly remember the years in which he started There's no fact-checking staff if that was you do you have do you have a line where you draw about the content? No Okay, actually no all words. We don't like to be mean to other How it won't be mean Yeah, we don't like to be mean to other people who aren't on the show We like to give them the benefit of the doubt And so it can be any story from our past Yeah Anything yeah From your past, yes No, no, no, no day. I'm saving all my deep dark stuff for podcast sweeps I got some crazy stuff. I'm sorry. You need titles. Uh, I really like beggars can be choosers. I think that's so great Um, let's see Choose your own dtns I always love it. I don't I know tom. You don't like it when the show goes away But I actually love The all the diverging verses like we had a brief marvel secret wars and now we're back to the original timeline Um, what else? Um Gorilla grass man Gorilla grass man comma man has been a comma there before man. Uh, what hovers the hoverboards? I like the grammar. Not bad. I like the grammar choice Oh, where we'll go where we're going. We'll need magnets That's really strong back to the future 30th was just a couple days ago, right? Hoverboards, how do they work? Wait a minute. Is that an icp reference? Um Yes, yes, it is it must be right. It has to be it has to be that song miracles Yeah, how did that work magnets? How do they work? Uh, I don't know. I like I like icp references. So I'll I'll vote on that one. Uh, I like, uh Uh, where did it go? I lost it because I upvoted it. Oh smoke gorilla grass every day That was inevitably wonderful. Um You knew that was coming You mean like Smoke weed every day That's what I'm editing. Yeah, I know Uh, let's see. I'm looking for little deep cuts here, but I'm I'm thinking I really like beggars can be choosers Um The other thing if you want to know the other cool thing I just did for tell it anyway that I didn't know you can do Which is uh a one tom merit told me about the free music archive Which I didn't realize was from w f m u which I grew up listening to And so I just made a mixtape of all the music we've used on the show the best of it Uh a mix an online mixtape that you can listen to if you liked the music in the show You can listen to the music now, which I know my husband will be listening to obsessively As soon as he gets the link I'm of the belief that I think at least in uh general vernacular mix tape should replace Playlist. Yes agree I made a special mixtape for you It's so much more resonant of our past Um So so beggars can be choosers is the uh The uh, I don't know tom. Well tom's actually doing real editing right now. So Um, I guess let me ask you this then So what should I edit should I just edit the part where tom disappeared? Or do I also do the one where scott disappeared because that's when we came on Oh boy, see yeah, see this is this is my argument for just leaving it be because Otherwise you're gonna get so many. Um, well, you can stay as long as all your transitions are okay. You're fine But if you had a bunch of You know like when tom maybe yeah, maybe there's a little transition tightening to do I can do that. I'm just wondering do you want me to like cut up The part where we're saying what happened to tom did tom did go somewhere, you know that Should use your editor judgment and do it What I just did for audio is I cut from where scott says the very last line that was written Which is you'll have to bring your own mouse and keyboard to where he picked up and said And if you stood these uh next to each other and Okay Because there's also the part where what about where you disappeared That is where he disappeared, isn't it that's where I disappeared for myself But I know what roger's asking because on the video. I didn't disappear there. You kept talking Oh, right, right, so but the pickup line is where we have scott start to say to usb So you just lose the first time he said that Yeah, there's two there's two instances where you guys disappeared like First time it was talking about the second time where you and jenny jumped in we can leave that one Okay, that one we kept going. We never actually stopped down. All right So I I'll edit the first one then not the second one Right. Is that what you were saying to jenny? Yep. Yep. Okay got it understood I just got a message from someone saying they've had trouble with hanging out all day Wonder if we were yeah, and then you know the google doc like refreshed on me In the middle of the headlines too. So google something's up with google. Yeah, it must be I wonder if someone sat on someone's keyboard Can you imagine if that was what what was the issue? It'd be great. They put a coffee cup on the delete button Janice from the counting dropped a donut on my computer So this beggars can be choosers, right? Did I pick that up? I think can was uh capitalized like beggars can be choosers. Got it. Thank you for choosing this title That's a good title They're a lot of good titles. There's always a lot of good titles. We have good titlers Um, also, I spent part of the show designing what I think might be the most amazing t-shirt for nertacular based on The fact that someone custom designed a t-shirt for nertacular Well, and I just got inspired We'll send send over a doodle or something.  LA. Come on. That's warm. I got warm since I came down here. Wasn't that bad earlier? Heat it up It's the summertime summer summer summer time All right, so I need to grab the video Okay, uh, yeah, you can't grab the video yet because we're still streaming it So don't try Who knows what'll happen everything Given the fact that I've had Probably more skype problems than I've ever had hangout problems. I'm still I'm still cool even after today If I was paying them thousands of dollars, then I might be more upset. You know, that's the thing I really want to see what their new gaming streaming thing is youtube play or whatever it is YouTube gaming. It's just going to be the youtube livestream tool with a little better interface. I think is it I'm hoping is better latency. Yeah, I want it to be better than all those three things you said Yeah I want it up. Maybe it is. Uh, I actually don't know anything about it even with my youtube wife She's in the creator space where they want to like her the only way she's involved in that at all would be like They want to have a creator come into the youtube space and do one of the gaming streams From there. Yeah. Yeah, you can actually work on the product Swiftie or somebody came in for the afternoon But I just hope that it's a strong play because they're they're going up against, you know The relative behemoth in the very specific niche of game streaming It seems like they'd want to do all they could to make it seem silly for us not to move over to youtube given their You know back in and everything so well, their big advantage is archiving, right? Yeah, they don't have to win at live right away to be successful They just have to compete in my head. I'm inventing a song called I got me a youtube wife. Oh man Can oh streaming don't cry Here here's the tune I got a tune for it here I remember you used to stand in the line of the bank and you would always hear that Oh, yeah, I can't hear your phone Back when the finish ruled the world I I'm finished with you All right Anything else I'm still publishing the show. I'm sorry this because of the Oh, that's right. I still need to drop in my notes at time. I yeah, I'm not I'm uploading though I'm I'm to the uploading stage. So what happened to the other it is so many tabs doing good The show Has so many tabs. I will put the uh, the audio version of what happened on alpha geek radio We'll actually be in the the treasure chest under the full bit, but I'm also putting the uh Deleted excerpt from 15 06 24 The treasure chest as well Very uh subscriber at the treasure chest access level They'll be able to find it in there now I don't know how interesting that is, but it's there. Um, what else is going on with everybody? These days Sort of ladies are coming up Ooh exciting. Is that today? It is Hold on City of stairs wrap up episode City of stairs. Oh, yeah Robert Jackson Bennett. I want to check that out. It's good guys seem book positive on it in previous episodes So you're now And uh, wow, did he set it up like he did a I don't want to spoil sword and laser too much But he did a great job of wrapping up the story So you feel good like I got I got a finish to the story But then really setting up the sequels so that you'll want to find out what happens to those characters That's a real skill to do that. Yeah it's clever I uh, I was I mean you've probably answered this before but do you mostly audio read these books or are you what are you doing? I do. Yeah, I'm reading nemesis games by james s a quarry on kindle Uh, but the because of 2x as a fallback measure Uh, I I usually listen to the sword and laser pick on audible or down or a downpour if I can That makes sense But uh, I usually don't listen to those on 2x unless I start running behind and I had to finish city of stairs on 2x Thankfully that narrator, uh, was very intelligible At 2x also good. They didn't record it at 2x. So you had to hear it at 4x think of that Right that would have been a problem. I only listen to the instance on 2x though. I'm good That's good Um, I don't know why we're interviewing quarry stockton tomorrow Fantastic, but I am and then uh, we have a probably a big show about the patch on friday and All kinds of stuff I listen to the angry chicken and uh, we have concerns and tell it anyway at 2x as well It's not just yeah, I don't feel so bad That's why I'm always telling jenny. She's got great energy You just talk so fast it is so good, right? That's right No, I feel like any show that's an hour and change is automatically eligible for 2x listening It's doubled the number of podcasts I can listen. That's right Okay, I do believe my time has come So, uh, oh no, I can't even sing that jeez. What was that? What were you saying? I almost just cost us a million dollars. Oh my gosh I almost just sang a beetle song about a road that goes along a long time and it winds and then that's the end Can I even describe it without having to pay money? No That weird-looking lady, uh All right, I'm out of the post but stay tuned for sword and laser and my so-called eight-bit life Immediately following the brand new quiz show stump roger hint. You can't