Oh my goodness, what am I doing? The Maasai is a small community where they were originated from Congo Basin. So they have been living in big plains, they really like to have big places to keep their animals progressing, they need place with a lot of water as well for watering their animals. I want to find out that this house is for only one person? No, different families. If you have more cows, you are rich. Who is the richest person here? The guy here has 1,000 cows. 1,000 cows? How many women does he have? Eleven. Eleven women, eleven wives? Yeah. Ha! I want to come and stay here. How many wives do you have? Two. And I have only one. That's not fair man. I cannot come to the Maasai Mara without visiting the indigenous people of this great land.  Look at that. Can you count the number of cows that you see? Now I need to get dressed. I need to look like a Maasai before I come and talk to you guys man. I know the Maasai are tall people man. Why are you guys building short houses? Because for the winter, the wind problem, so you build short houses. Who? Because for the wind. For the wind? Yeah. So you have to go down when you want to enter your own house. Wow. That's something I never knew. Can I change? Yeah. Okay. This is my house. This is your house? Yeah. Nice. So first one. I need to take off everything right? Yeah. You have to. Yeah. I'll take off. I'll take off. Like anyway. Go down. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. Me. I'm the only unhealthy Maasai here It looks so fat, I am not So I need to come and stay here Is this how you guys dress everyday? Everyday Even in winter This is how we dress In winter, what do you do? We just dress in this man You don't feel cold? No Then Looks like a Maasai came Yeah Then Thank you Let's put on You guys made all these things by yourself? Yeah This is for beauty Yeah, for looking girls For what? Looking girls Looking ladies So when you have this It doesn't mean ladies will love you Oh wow Beauty and decoration We use them for dancing as well This feels so good Like I'm wearing The same attire that I wear in the house When do you want to wear this? When do you want to wear this? When do you want to wear this?  This one? This is for the lady make And the men they make coffee Like copper bracelets So let's go outside And then see more Welcome to the Maasai land Now the video can begin All you need to do for me is to like this video Subscribe because I know and believe that This is gonna be one of my best videos ever Whenever you see me like this It means I'm in my element This one? It's not Maasai Please take it off What's my Maasai name? Lamayan Yeah, it's a blessing name Wow From today call me Lamayan Lamayan Lamayan Can I tell you something?  You drink Okay let's go Maybe you drink Ah me, ah no Okay I'll taste it, don't worry I'll taste it Let's go to see the milk You have milk done by all the women? All people That's a boy Can you look at the boy? Oh okay Big man Can I help you? Hey Show me Show me Cheese It's not painful for the cow No You like to get the milk So much Wow I feel like touching the Breast of the cow The cow feel the pain Because it's so soft Can I, let me one more It's not coming out No just try Calm down Oh down Yeah But Like I feel like it's painful I feel like the kid is experienced The kid Yeah he's taking that man So many powers I want to find out Are these cows for only one person? No different families Different families? Like maybe 20 families here So if you get like this One family So like a group for the cows Like this one people Another one Like that So in one family How many cows do they own? Maybe it depends Because you don't have a number Because if you have more cows You are rich Who is the richest person here? The guy they have 1000 cows 1000 cows How many women does he have? 11 11 wives I want to come and stay here How many wives do you have? Two And I have only one That's not fair man I have no idea what they are trying to do But I am a little bit Scared of what's going to happen Because I feel like Whoa Just come this side The cow is strong Are you guys not going to hurt the cow? No That's a lot of blood Coming out of the cow man That's a lot of blood That's a lot of blood Sorry I need to apologize On behalf of the cow man Sorry Now they are trying to stop the blood They really know they are tough man Sorry Oh the blood stopped Already Wow What are you guys going to The cow that can't walk anymore What are you guys going to do with the blood? You are going to drink it Why? Right now The fresh one But why when you are slaughtering it Killing it then you drink the blood If you slaughter You don't drink the blood You take the fresh one The life cow What are you doing? Who asked this one? Me? No No It tastes good No No It makes me like a vampire I feel like You try this You all try then I try Taste But you got to respect the culture of people So you got to How do you guys drink this every day?  They are my side food Meat from cow It's cooked And milk From cow Mace Corn What are you guys going to do?  Okay so this dance This is for you. This is for all coming for you. Oh, okay. And also, there's one working around. Sometimes you go to the buoy for hunting. And also, sometimes you have a competition. The one in champion high, you don't pay dowry to get married. Wow! Yeah, because Maasai, if you get married, you'll have to pay 10 kaw for the family, for the girl. But if you come higher, you don't pay. How many wives can a Maasai marry? Maybe Maasai, you don't have limit for their wife. If you want to get 10 in wife, no problem. Wow! But now, maximum two wives. Now, maximum two wives. Okay, so... How many wives do you have? Two wives. Yeah. And how many cows do you spend? I spend seven cows, the first wife. Okay. Because the first wife, she choose by family. She choose mother and their father. But number two, I choose myself. Wow! So the one I choose myself, I pay 10 kaw. The one that your parent chose for you? Seven kaw. Seven kaw? Yeah. But why seven kaw? No 10. Because that time, I spend in the bush and I come back to the bush. So that time, you have big competition and you have big ceremony for my hay.  What do you do in the bush?  Five years in the bush? All by yourself? No, for the group, for the people. Okay. About maybe 20 people and old men, five old men and 20 boys.  You go to learn about throwing the bone harrow, throwing the spears.  So the first spear, the first spear you get the lion and then the lion belongs for you. Wow! Yeah.  Yeah.  So that's why if I get married, you allow me to give me discount to the wife. But if you jump higher, you don't pay him. You don't pay a house. So two ways of getting married, that you have discount in Masai land, if you kill a lion, or if you can jump higher.  You get free. Free? Yeah. If you jump higher, worth more than even killing a lion. Yeah.  Can I jump so high? So I have to pay how many? Ten cows. That's the maximum. Yeah. That's interesting. But I can see everyone has like, like, yeah, in the teeth. Because Masai, maybe if you're traveling, you go different places. All Masai will have to do that.  What about the hair of Masai? Like, if you, in the warrior, the warrior's allowed to have the hairs. Like 15? And then 20. So if you chop the hairs, so that you're allowed to get married, you become a man like me now. Hi. That guy. No. This one? It's a wig, yeah? No, that one is not really hair. Oh, okay. That's the, remember the one in the bush. Oh, okay. No, remember that time in the bush. That time, remember that time in the bush. Yeah. Everyone here goes to school. Yeah. Do you have a school for the Masai? Yeah, you have a school. But you know, you know Kenyan. Yeah. So many tribes in Kenya. Yeah. So maybe the people who come will make business here. So the school here is all people in Kenya. The kids are not allowed to dress like this. You don't dress like this. But I love how the Masai have been able to preserve their culture. It's really something that I think almost every African country needs to emulate. Because if you talk of Kenya, talk of the Masai. Do you guys represent Kenya out there?  Do you watch the Masai worship? Do you watch religion? It's the Masai. Masai, you pray a village. You pray? You pray the village together. Okay. Everyone. So the Masai do not have a church? Yeah. Yes, yes. Yes, in the village, yes? Okay. Or you move outside to the village and then pray your family together. Wow. So you pray to who? To nature. To nature, yeah. Wow. How did I choose your homestead? How do you choose your homestead? Where to live? Like my father used to keep in the village. Oh, your father? So my father decided I put here the village. He put here another village because my father used to keep all this area. Oh, wow. So if you say you put your home here. You put it here.  Yeah. Oh, but I like how you planted this tree. You planted this tree? This is a Kecha tree. Yeah. This is a Kecha tree. They have elephants like them. Yeah. And also any giraffes like them. And also this is our medicine from the stomach problem. And we have stomach full. This one is pool water. Then boiling. Then drink. Drink. Then shh. You're okay? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. This is my house. Oh, wow. So the house you live for animals, you live for my family. What do you mean? Yeah. You stay here? You stay here for the young cow and baby sheep and my family. You also live here? Yeah. You stay with animals? Yeah. So this is my first wife, another wife here. Another wife here? Yeah. So how many days do you spend here and then spend over there? Maybe I spend one week here and then another week here. Or if I want to sleep today here, I sleep another day. You're chilling, Prince. Yeah. You're really chilling. Yeah. I really want to be in your shoes. Who built this? It's the women. The women.  And then you come to put down in the lady. We'll build it. What is on top? It's the top. You put grass and also you put the cow dung. Okay. And sometimes you put a plastic. But the plastic, you don't work many years. So if you put the grass and wood and cow dung, you stay many years. Many years. Wow. But the house, that's for you. But if you stay two minutes, three minutes, you're high-sea better. Oh. Yeah. Okay. So this is my house. Okay. It's my son. Oh. That's the bed for the children. Okay. And that's my room here. And where is your wife? My wife is dead today. Oh. And then here is the case bed. So what guest? Yeah, friend. Who, like me? Yeah. And this is a fireplace. It's a place for cooking. For cooking. Yeah. And also in the house you don't like the big window because for the most people. So that's why I have small windows. Oh. Yeah. So the whole house has, that's the only ventilation. Yeah. But it's warm in here. Yeah. It's very warm. Yeah. And I told you I'll bind you there. Say young cow, baby cow. Yeah. Baby sheep. Yeah. Why you don't sleep outside? Because your problem is leopard problem. Leopard comes in. Yeah. Big problem for the young cow. At night leopard comes in. Yeah. So you don't sleep with leopards. Yeah. But I have people watching night. And I have about dog to birth night. Oh. Yeah. Do you have lion that comes in? Yeah. Yeah. But some animal problem for us is hyena. Ah. Hyena is coming every day. Every day. Every day. Are you guys going to take the cows for grazing this morning? Yeah. Who are the people who do that? Maybe for us. Okay. Maybe tomorrow me, guide tomorrow. Change. Change. But then when you go, you don't meet lions on the road? You meet. You meet them, but you don't scare.  The lions has eaten my side before. Yeah. But it's not dangerous. It's dangerous because you live together. Wow. Yeah.  You defend.  Nowadays you're not allowed. Yeah. But to defend ourselves. First the lion killed my cows. And I killed my friend. And also for me you defend. I killed the lion. How many times have a lion killed a my side? Well, you have about three weeks ago. What? You have my side killed by a lion. And eat them. Finish. Three weeks ago? Yeah. How many children do you have? Eight children. Eight children? Yeah. How long have you been married? Two wives. Yeah. Him, he has six. Oh, six? Another one, two. First wife? Yeah. He has six. How long have you been married? He's now about... I married two, eight. I mistakenly stepped in the cow dung. And I've been told that this is more blessing. Yeah. Blessing on what? Blessing about you get many cows or get many babies. Many cows or many babies. I'll pick many babies there. I'll pick many babies.


At this year's conference, I'm going to be talking about scaling up in my keynote. And I think that one of the things that we often forget is that the human beings and the organizations that surround software development are information systems too. So an awful lot of the problems that are associated with producing high quality software at larger scale are similar or at least related to the kinds of problems that we get with building software at a larger scale in general and the operation of software at a larger scale. So problems like coupling and concurrency and modularity in terms of how do you break an organization up into a series of small teams to be able to scale it. We know what the most efficient way of organizing things is for human beings in software development. But how do you do that and how do you organize to be able to do that and build coherent, sensible, great software?


Freedom! Today I want to talk to you about GearLocker. Now I know I haven't talked to you about GearLocker in a while. And some of you might not really know what GearLocker is. GearLocker is actually a program that I started a little while back. So that established better equipped YouTubers could actually come and give stuff to Freedom. And then Freedom then distributes it to people who act professionally. By doing things like writing really professional letters in the comments section of videos. Saying, this is who I am, this is what I want, this is why I want it, this is how I'll use it. No guilt, no nothing, just a professional request, letting us know how you'll use certain items. And that's exactly what I'm going to do in this video, except we are going to have an extravaganza. Where I'm going to show you a lot of items that I've been building up since about October or so, that I just haven't had time to make videos on. So here we go. We have a Samsung Meteor mic, this is actually one of my old microphones that I found in my closet. Still works perfectly good, and it even has a nice little pop filter or anything on it, so that's a big plus. It was used for about two years or so, and it still got a lot of kick in. It is a USB condenser mic. I would put it on par with my Blue Yeti any day, except it only uses cardoid pattern. It does not use the other three patterns, but for 99% of YouTubers, they'll never notice the difference unless you're recording two or three, or a group of people talking at the same time. We have this, this is a Philips webcam SPC1000NC. Now it's actually been a long time since I've seen one of these, or really had to do any research on one of these, but I believe that this does do 720p, which is great for face cams and things like that. If you're doing that, or if you're doing vlogs, it's great to talk to. Hey, how you doing? Oh, that's right, webcams, don't talk back. We also have this, this is a Sony Cyber Shot camera. Now this is primarily a still image camera, however it has a video function and can be used for a lot of things, like shooting videos of you and your friends doing pranks or something. I don't know, you guys are the YouTubers, make something up, use your imagination. That camera also comes with a very nice Samsung case, so you can put that in there. Oh, just to let you know, this is pre-loved and it's also not necessarily top of the line, but if you don't have a camera and you need one, it's better than what you have now. Someone sent these in, these are Rosewill headphones. Actually, it's a headset with analog input. If you're needing a gaming headset and you like analog, this is probably for you. If you want it, go ahead, start writing that letter down there. I have here a Netgear wired and wireless router. I'm not quite sure why somebody sent this in, but if you're in need of a new router or newer, new-ish, I previously love, this might be for you. For those of you who like to catalog your videos, you can always do so on DVDs. This is a portable DVD writer and we do happen to have one that we can spare here at GearLogger. So if you would like to catalog your video experiences and put them on some kind of old DVD, is that how they still say that? DVD. Here I have a Rosewill Wi-Fi USB adapter with cord so that if you are currently wired and you'd like to not be, you have this. If you like it, just let us know and professionally request it down there. This is a very interesting item someone sent in. This is a J5 Create wormhole. It's basically like a KVM switch that goes from PC to PC and allows you to kind of treat another or a different PC almost like it's your own. If you don't know what a KVM switch or what a wormhole device is, then this probably isn't for you. However, there are a lot of very creative ways that you can use something like this. Maybe if you have a secondary PC that you use just for rendering. I haven't had time to do the research on this one yet and I'm not quite sure the story behind it. However, someone did send in a brand new in the box Turtle Beach headset. So if you'd like a brand new headset, let us know in the comments section down below. Last but not least, I have an internal DVD-RW drive from LG. It is working and functional and it is SATA. Not the guy in the Philippines, the other kind of SATA. If you're a freedom partner and you need any of this gear, please let us know. Comment down in the description, write us a 4-5 sentence paragraph just explaining who you are, what you want, why you want it, how you'll use it. Do not guilt us, do not tell us your life story. And yeah, so until next time, I'm Anthony. Like, subscribe, comments, please.


The European Prime Minister, Abe Ahmed, says the government is open to talk with the rebel territory people's liberation front to end the 15-month conflict in the country. Abe's comment calmed days after. The United Nations Secretary-General, Antonio Gaterres, said the worst progress in the effort to end a civil war that's left thousands of people dead, displaced millions and damaged investors' confidence. On Monday, the Ethiopians' parliament announced the formation of an 11-member National Dialogue Commission, a panel tax with presenting proposal aimed at ending the smearing tension between the nation's ethnic and political groups and conflict that has disabilized one of Africa's most populous nations.


Okay, Ramki you're presenting. Okay, so I guess that we should start with the regular, ah, hello Fred. We should start with the general reminder that this call is recorded and then upload it at some point to YouTube. And the other thing is to remind of everyone that you should, or at least you are invited to enter your name into the meeting minutes. The link is posted in the chat. Sorry, I was having some trouble with my audio. Can you hear me now? Yeah, we do. So it is not joining. So do you want to take over leading the call? I can share the screen. Yeah, that sounds good. So go ahead and share the screen and we'll get started. Okay, as always, please add your name to the meeting notes. And if you're not able to add your name, please ask us and we'll add it for you. So before we get started, is there anything that anyone would like to add to the agenda? So Fred, I thought in the last use case call, we were chatting quite a bit about a common data plan API. Maybe if you have time, probably we could, and then I don't know how much you profited. We could even chat about it here, depending on the time and other topics. Yeah, so I think that sounds good. So go ahead and add it to the agenda. Let's go ahead and get started with the main things then. So we have three recurring talks now. One is this particular meeting. We have the network service mesh document on Wednesdays and the NSNM use case on Fridays. So we also are coordinating with the CNF test bed, birds of a feather. So, and that's every other week. So all of these calls happen at 8 a.m. Pacific time. Oh, can you add that to the very bottom because otherwise it's going to get missed there. Anyways, so we have on March 28th and 29th, we have Service Mesh Day, of which we have a talk in the Service Mesh Day where we're going to be showcasing Envoy and Network Service Mesh working together. Oh, great. So I have a little bit of work to finish on that, but I have a clear path now. We also have a intel out of the box network developer meetup that's coming up on April 2nd, the day before O&S. Definitely, if you're going to be in town on that day and are willing to come a day earlier, then I would really appreciate having people there to talk to people about Network Service Mesh and to let people know that like what it is you're expecting to get out of it or help people learn. We have O&S coming up, of which we have a series of talks accepted in a panel discussion where I'm pretty sure these topics will come up based upon the people there. We should also have a booth demo as well, and Prem and I need to coordinate on that, so Prem, we need to have a conversation soon so we can make sure that gets all set up properly. We have MPLS, SDN, NFE coming up, no talks there as far as I know, but topics should be interesting. We have Container World 2019 coming up with a talk accepted by Prem from Lumina and so that'll be in Santa Clara, California. We have KubeCon EU coming up and so if you're going to attend, make sure you book your hotels now. We have also a co-located event at KubeCon EU. I need to hit add up on the call for papers for that to make sure we don't miss it. We also have KubeCon in Shanghai coming up, of which the call for papers already closed. I'm not aware of any talks that have been submitted, but if anyone's attending, let us know and we'll see if we can pair you up with interesting people. We have ONS Europe in Antwerp, Belgium coming up, of which the call for paper is currently open and closes in June 16th. Feel free to submit a talk in that area. We also have MEF in 2019 in LA, which was very inconveniently located, but rather the timing is inconvenient because of KubeCon in San Diego. So we'll have a little bit of fun coordinating between the two of them, because we care about both. We finally have, in so many ways, if there's any other events that anyone is aware of, definitely let us know and we'll add it to this list. And with that, let's head to the CNCF project proposal. So can you open the project proposal up please? Request for it all. So Prem and I will have some good updates by next week, we are thinking, so more aligned with ONS. We would definitely take some time to speak and probably we can review next Tuesday and then submit just before the ONS. That was sort of the, one of the thought processes we had earlier to align with ONS. Yeah, so I just want to make sure we get this done a bit sooner because we have a demo that we're supposed to be showing off. So, and Prem is very kindly offered to help with that. No, exactly. So let's set a deadline. So we will have our input. I mean, can you directly modify, is it possible to directly modify or? To directly modify which thing? The proposal or how do we go about it? So this proposal is different. So the proposal that's up on the screen is the CNCF proposal for being part of the TOC. So for the proposal, I don't believe, I don't know if it's been submitted yet. I don't believe it has. So for this one, the best way to go to manipulate this one is, can you go to the very top so we can get the URL of it? So do you see it's under network service mesh slash network, or sorry, it's under edwarnakey slash TOC. So this is where it gets a bit weird. You can make a full request on a full request. The link is here in the in the meeting minutes. So the actually, I had a chat just before the call with with that. He's sorry that he cannot join. But the thing is that we have very, so last week he was at the open source leadership summit. And he was able to reach out to two of the TOC members of the CNCF TOC members. And we have kind of secured their sponsorship. Their names are put here. We have Joe Beta and Matt Klein. So based on this and some, some other communications, the proposal is that we do a final kind of review today to to the best of our of our possibilities. And if someone has, I mean, someone raises some big concern and wants to change something we can postpone. But if we kind of agree that this is the test that we want to submit, it will push it tomorrow, Wednesday. That's that was the plan. No, certainly totally spot on. Thanks, Joe. I was also talking to Joe in person. But one of the general feedback I also heard was it's good to add sort of the distributed cloud use cases. At least, you know, it spoke to him a broader picture. I do want to make sure that some of those is reflected. It's just that probably we may need a little bit of time. That's why I'm requesting it's a little probably I may need more than a week. Sorry, more than a couple of days. That's why the request is if you can set that deadline to maybe, you know, next week, I mean, the first thing next week, I mean, reviewed the next call and submit that we much appreciated. Basically, just bring the reflected distributed cloud use cases. So the only problem we're going to run into potentially is that we're hoping that we can get this part of the CNCF before cubecon.  So the problem we're running into is because the TOC had an election, they have a backlog of agenda items and projects. And so for us to join in, we end up at the back of the queue when we submit. And so the longer that we wait, the less likely it is that it gets looked at before cubecon. So that's the only thing. So, Fred, how about this? So give me 24 hours. Let me take a stab. I can understand the urgency. So let me let me take a stab at that part. I know it took the AI, but it's just been crazy. Let me take a stab at that part. And then we can finalize tomorrow. It'll not be a big addition, but bringing out the use cases in extra space. Yeah, that sounds good. Thanks for your understanding. So one of the questions is, Fred, if we submit this, is it possible to edit it again? It's a working document, right? So the way that we were doing it up to now is that you just go and add your comments. So I think that my comments were somewhere here in the document. And everyone else is just saying, okay, can you change this? Can you change that? And here, I have, for example, put my comments about the release process, and then it incorporated it. So the best I think that the way that you can do is just go here in the changed file and start saying, okay, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, whatever you want to do. That would be the fastest. And I guess everyone then can see it, reply, suggest things. Okay. Yeah, thanks, Nicolet. Cool. So I think, yeah, so once we put in the pull request, my intuition is it probably could have some minor changes to it, but I'm not certain with that. Because what will happen is we'll do the pull request. And that pull request will then end up on there, on there. Exactly here. I mean, that's what I was trying to see how, for example, it goes for the other guys. Yeah, actually, what we should probably do is once a pull request comes in, if there's any changes that are that are necessary, then they no longer go to edwarnakey slash to see for the pull request, or comments instead, they will go to the to the pull request from the CNC of slash to see. So my guess is we could probably still add some stuff through that particular process, but we probably want to keep those to minor edits as much as possible, unless they flag something that's really urgent. So let me do this right then. So what I'll do is I'll work with Prem on the changes right on us today. I'll also make sure that I have a quick sync up call with the ed on the changes proposed so that I mean, basically, you know, we can get to it much quickly and then target submission tomorrow. We can all review probably offline and make a submission tomorrow. So do you do you already look at the document because I look at the document we have some Nikolay, some ideas. It just that just didn't get the time to actually make that nice edit. We're looking to sort of get the use case to a point where we have some good clarity. I think the clarity is that we just want to reflect it. It's probably an hour or two work, but we want to get some crisp content here back from the use case and the architecture impact we're able to create. That's it. Do you want to add it here in the description? I mean, in this first part or it would be it would be a little bit in several places description in several places. Okay, so I'll I'll work on it today. So basically that's so Prem will find some time early today so that we can also sync up with yet probably with Fred Nikolay also we can quickly sync up. Yeah, so it's a couple of things on this as well. So please please make sure that you go over the the contents for for those of you who are listening in and make sure that make sure and any type of help on this would be would be appreciated whether whether it's some substantial addition or even just a minor typo or wording if you could if the wording could be more clear like anything is helpful in the space. And so in terms a few couple things I want to point out as well. So the current sponsors that we have from from the list are very strong. So we have Joe beta listed as a sponsor who is the one of the founders of Kubernetes and Matt Klein who's a founder of Envoy. So I think we have some pretty good backing on on the for the initial for the initial entry. And so it's primarily up to us in order to in order to hit it out of the park. So if and we also have as existing sponsors, Bill Canada Cisco and Doc AI. So if anyone wants to add anything in on that, oh, sorry, orange red hat and VMware. So if anyone else wants to add to their company into that as well as being interested in it, and wanting, you know, please, please add yourself to the to the list as well if you're if you're able to and you have the legal ability to do so. And so with that, I mean, the the request in the scenario is help us help us polish this help us make sure that everything is is represented that we care about that and help us make sure that it's a very well polished document. Okay, so what's the agreement? We will review again tomorrow. I think we I think we should let's let's let's get the the addition from from Ramkey. So you get that in as soon as possible. And I think the rest of it, we can probably we can probably do online but let's let's make sure that we at the very minimum commit to some times and to to get to get this thing in. And of course, as well. So I'll have my work with Prem and then get all the comments and probably I'm hoping to think up with Ed also because he's driving it so make sure that he's in sync. So basically, so we can target I think my take is we can target submitting tomorrow. Yeah, I think I think that sounds good. So let's so let's go ahead and so Ed is out for the morning. So I don't know if he's going to be around in the afternoon or not. But yeah, if you want, I can I can provide some feedback as well. You also and I'm pretty sure Ed is getting a lot of rest right now so he can be back in good form. Certainly, yep. Totally. Yeah, thanks Fred. Yeah. Yeah. And knowing Ed, he'll probably jump up and do something anyway. I know that. And then he generally sent a note that Tuesday afternoon is free. So that's what he's relatively free Tuesday afternoon. That's a counting on that. So I saw the other email. So yeah. Okay, so what else is there anything else on this particular document or are we are we good to go on this for the moment? Cool. So don't hear any descent for moving on. So let's go back to the agenda and let's talk about releases. So Nikolai, you have the floor. Yeah. Okay. So I just wanted to propose the release name poll. So essentially, because there were not really many feedback on the naming, I effectively chose and proposed and this is already merged in the in the main repo that we use the names of the constellations, like the Latin names. So I chose three names here proposed, like, you know, start with A. So my proposal here would be if anyone has any preference, just put your names beside. We'll probably do this for the next couple of meetings just to gather some names. And then we'll just select one. That's the best that I can think of. The other thing is to just send an email there through the group. But I don't think that this works very well. Or maybe I can create a doodle poll. I don't know what would be the best. I think that the meeting minutes should be good enough to just gather this like type of voting. I hope I'm not muted. No, we can hear you. No, you're not. Okay. So are there any preferences on the way that we vote for this? Or I mean, do we keep it in the notes? Do we use some other form? So do we do we want to stick with the A, B, C approach? Or is is there is there another approach that we want to take? I think A, B, C proposal seems to be good and less confusing. I also like the first one, the ability that is around galaxy names. Yeah, that's awesome. And galaxies and stars and yeah. Something very universal about it. So I use this link for a reference, just pick three kind of random names. So yeah, of course, other proposals are also welcome. Okay, let's just keep it here. If someone has any preference, just put your name beside your favorite or propose another one. I actually, regarding this, I just figured out, so Ramki, I will take maybe a couple of minutes before I give the floor to you. So licensing, I think this is also again, somehow related to the release. But we are supposed to have a PASH license, V2, but then we import a lot of components, which we are not really sure what their license is. I'm at least I'm not aware if we are. Yeah, we've reviewed them in the past, but we definitely need to go over them again, make sure that everything is set up properly and clear. I think that there are some tooling that can help us with that. But we have to look up a little bit. Yeah, and also one other thing is we also need to be careful about the third party libraries that we would need to use, which means we would need to enable the scanning of the code just to ensure that whoever gets a new library complies with the licensing thing. This is standard open source. So essentially, this is the list of the components that we depend on today, modules. Most of these would be compatible, but I guess that we have some, that could be, should be checked. Yeah, there are tools that are available, and you can link it to CICD. I can send you the list to Nicolay and then we can see to begin with, we can probably see if there's any free trial that is available. We can just enable it and then it scans through and gives a report. Okay. Yeah, so something that would be good to do would be to add that to pull request. So we can set up a little checker that just does a go mod vendor, so because then that'll download all of the dependencies that are listed there, and then we'll then run the license scanner on that vendor list. Okay. Yeah, I think that that's all I wanted to ask here and to just discuss a little bit. Ramki, command data plane API. Do you need to present something? Is there a link that I can open for you? No, it's more of a discussion. In fact, so maybe I would like to actually take some, I'm looking at the document and doing the update given the urgency. If the team is good, they can proceed that I will, I'm just going to start focusing on editing the document right away. The proposal, sorry, or we can probably do it next week after some more discussion on the use case team. But so what about this common data plane API? So the key was essentially one of the discussions that came up in the use case come discussions was essentially a common data plane API around abstracting features such as you know, fate limiting or other aspects across software and hardware implementation. You have your smartnecks, you know, you have these different implementations. Then the idea was how can NSM provide value through a common data plane API. That was the essence of it, but we didn't get into details. So that's what I thought we could deep dive, but my mind is now on the absolute near-term target and have several things to take care of today. So if the team wants to, I mean, discuss, continue discussing, perfect, but I may not be able to fully drive or, I mean, able to drive the second listening, but not drive this today. Sorry about that. So I think that I will refer to the documentation call where we are discussing a lot about defining what data plane is, what is the wire, micro wire link, et cetera. And my understanding is that the data plane, like actually the network service data plane, doesn't provide any features beyond basic link, like point-to-point link. So rate limiting, whatever it's, yeah. Do you want to pull up the glossary real quick? Yes. I still need like, Ed and Frederick and you to give it one more glance over, but the data plane has been like this super confusing point of contention in a lot of the document calls. And so what I did was I went through a lot of the specs and I broke down what we were already working on, all those little individual components. And then from an NSM perspective, we're kind of going with, you know, assuming that we all agree on a tomorrow's call, the data plane is basically anything that provides you all of these things. So I know we were talking about like the whole concept of like a mechanism or a channel, but actually found that, and I've been updating it in the PowerPoint stuff, so I'll add this stuff to this document later, but local mechanism is actually like the name of something in the code. And it's actually 90% of the time what we're talking about when we talk about a micro wire or all this stuff. Here we go. And so like the thing is, is whether I'm hitting like an end API service, which is in reality from a network standpoint, a control plane, you know, it doesn't matter as long as an SM can reach it to something, whether it's a physical device, whether it's a kernel, whether it's an SDN abstraction, if it gives me the connection with the wires and the network service as a whole, then it's kind of the data plane basically. It's going to make a lot of networking people's heads explode. But in reality, NSM is going to go and make a request to something, and basically what it's going to request is connections and wires, which will ultimately turn into a service. And we don't care how we get that theoretically, as long as whatever we're making the request to provides that for us. Does that make sense? So, Jeff, this is Fani here from SnapRoute. In my previous life, I've worked on a lot of VNFs for the telcos. At a high level, I agree with you, Jeff, no disagreements at all. But I think what me and Ramki and Prem and others were discussing was how to create that abstraction layer, which is as simple as the goal you stated, and still exploit the functional advantages of a, let's say, a DPDK or a VPP or a smart link. So, you have to ask though, other than the fact that you're just going to request a network service, we have to kind of start to delineate. And this is something I've wind about to Ed and Frederick is I feel like NSM is trying to solve some of Kubernetes data plane challenges as opposed to making Kubernetes solve its own data plane challenges. But my answer to your exact question would be device plugins. Like, whether it's, I'm requesting it from Kubernetes, I'm requesting it from OpenStack, or I'm requesting it from ODL, right? Like, if I have SRV capable compute, like I've got Nix with, you know, in virtual devices or can, you know, containerized devices that have the drivers in them and stuff. A device plugin should say, I have this resource available. NSM, when you come in with your NSC or your NSC, you should say, I need to deploy this network service, and it should make a request. Yeah, Jeff, I understand those basics, you know, absolutely. That's not what I'm saying. But I'm saying to this common API though, like if I request this service, and there's like, you know, the back end to reach out to Kubernetes and make this, you know, device plugin request, don't I still have a common API if all I have to do is write one network service? Yeah, the devil is going to be in the details. How do how do you make sure that network service mesh is able to run on all kinds of hardware accelerated or a DPDK accelerated implementations? And if you go back up, the MMIF versus we host user and all that, you know, that's where the details are going to be how the CNFs or the containers or the parts are going to interface with the data plane and still extract the hardware accelerations that are present downstairs is going to be the key. So at this particular moment, we focus primarily on enablement and not trying to make them have a uniform path once you perform that enablement. So if you have something that speaks DPDK, or you know, hey, have something that knows how to interact with SROV or kernel interface as an example, like it has to know how to actually properly interact with those like it doesn't obviate the need for that. And I feel like there is a good opportunity though for a simple CNF library that knows how to deal with these type of things. So in other words, you mask for a connection, and then it provides you with the ability to work with whatever it is that you that your hardware supports and ends up abstracting it out. But I think that that would be something that Network Service Mesh would enable. I'm not entirely sure that would be something that Network Service Mesh itself, at least not the main component. It could be a side project on the MSM that's attached to it as a library. That could be something that could support. But the core, get Network Service Mesh or sorry, get Network Service, or connect me to this data plane or so on, I think we should be careful to not try to merge these all into one and rather force all the users into one format or one node, because even with a nice client library that does 99% of what you want, there's still that 1% of things where when you need that flexibility, you really, really need it. And we don't want to force people into a mold where they're not able to get the things that they need. The other thing is, I don't know if everybody knows, but I have contacts in Intel being the big service provider guy. I have access to their little brain trust. And when we, we've mentioned DPDK a couple of times.   Well, DPDK says I'm not passing any of your packets because you don't meet my NUMA restrictions. So there's even like with these API challenges and stuff, if they're quickly solved, the fact is, is when we move into the Kubernetes space, I mean, we could probably get most of this done in the open stack space right now. But like, there's going to just be things where like, you could make the calls and you say, turn all this stuff on, and then if your infrastructure doesn't deploy it just right for you, you're not going to pass any traffic and you're going to be sitting there frustrated. So we are trying to work with like some of the, you know, upstream contributors on fixing some of these problems or at least letting us toggle some of the restrictions off. But the fast data plane stuff in Kubernetes is still a challenge just because of how Kubernetes wants to place pods and namespaces. Yeah, Jeff, I think I kind of agree with most of your stuff. What I was trying to point out was it's probably a subtle point. It's about the TX and RX path of a container. And in the last meeting, I was highlighting that trying to marry yourself into, let's say, SRIOE-based data plane has its implications. And so will be with DPDK or the upcoming SmartNix and so on. So the critical path, the TX and RX, let's say it's going to be a MMIF or a Vhost user, let's try to create an abstract interface so that the containers really, the pods really don't care what kind of an underlying data path they are dealing with. I'm not talking about get me a connection. That's a control plane function. I'm actually talking about the TX, RX and the packet interface that the pods will have, you know, right now with the evolving various flavors of data planes. Even on the VM side, I see there's so many ways to do the data plane interaction and that is causing a lot of vendor lock-ins and few other issues. So that's where I was trying to draw a caution. But I kind of agree, you know, it has to be at an abstract level and the network service shouldn't care about the lower level. Yeah, and that's a very good point. During the negotiation, my question I have for you, everyone is that kind of problem, is it really for NSM to solve? Exactly. That's a question about that composition. And then if you want to go and complexify that problem, it's an industry problem with everybody trying to fix something. And at some point, NSM can try and help us. But I don't think it's a role to solve this. Yeah, that's my personal opinion. That's what I was trying to drive to. It's like, NSM could say, we support DBTK and we support AstarioV, just as an example, right? And so now you have in your data plane, so the CNF may say that supports those things. Your data plane might work out, oh, DBTK is fundamentally broken in this environment, but I have access to AstarioV, so we'll give the user access to AstarioV as part of that. And then work with Kubernetes and the device bug in and so on, in order to drop in that device into your pod. And then the pod, the software in the pod is responsible. It'll be told this is an AstarioV device. So the software in the pod is then responsible for interacting with that device in the correct way. So if someone wants to make a library that knows how to talk to multiple types of data of, I guess you say, local mechanisms, I think that'd be absolutely fantastic. And it would be a really amazing mix with Network Service Mesh. But I don't think it's the core problem that Network Service Mesh is trying to solve at this moment. But I do think it would be a good library to work with or include or something that we would work very well with. And so I think the core Network Service Mesh part itself, at least from the server aspects of it and the Kubernetes aspects of it, needs to remain agnostic to those problems. And we could add a layer down the line or a library down the line, like maybe an NSM CNF builder or NSM CNF library. But that library, even if it fell under the NSM brand, would effectively be a standalone library that you could include in that would not rely on NSM itself to provide that functionality other than perhaps being a client or being able to provide the generator on the endpoint and so on. But effectively, it would not be part of the core NSM server aspect of it, if that makes sense. Can I make a suggestion? Because I mean, this is something that like Ian has been like losing his mind over as well, like this exact same thing, is we kind of gloss over some of the details on how like from a networking, sneaky networking person's perspective, the data plane is supposed to work, like the actual forwarding of packets, like I was lured in, you know, when I saw this at KubeCon with like these delusions of grandeur for CNFs. And I think that's what kind of drew a lot of us in here. I think it's maybe part of the use case call and Romkey, thanks for shifting it to Monday, I think I'll be able to start attending. Maybe for now too, we can start creating a list. So we're at least identifying what challenges are going to arise around like data plane in the forwarding sense of the term and not from the network sense of the term, network service missions, and just start chronicling that and stuff. Because I think part of the problem is, is a lot of times the more application-y people are like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we get it that this is a concern, but we don't care about it, which is fine. But I think those of us that care about our packets getting in and out of these servers really, really fast, just we get like the nervous tick when we're not addressing it. So maybe as part of this use case, we start looking at like what these local mechanisms are and like, you know, be nice if this library did exist, because then you could just drop it in when you're creating an NSC, like call this library, get a MIF, get an SROV virtual forwarder, you know, injected into this namespace, et cetera, et cetera, right? But I think part of the problem is, is we just keep glossing over it. And we told people that this was going to help them solve CNF challenges. And so if we're going to solve CNF, this, you know, the use case group's point is a huge part of that. And so maybe we should just start capturing what's needed. And then the people who really do want to focus on fast packet forwarding can kind of start working on that section of this within the NSM umbrella. Yeah. And I want to be careful with my wording on this. Like, I think it's, what you describe is an incredibly important problem. So the question is, is that something that NSM, as it is now, should solve? Or is that something that NSM should work with something, which could be an NSM library, a client library, that solves that problem? So, so my, my opinion is that NSM should remain simple, but should be compatible with and work with something that can, that can help with these type of things. And I think that we can work up to a, to a, essentially an ecosystem that knows how to, to solve these, these type of problems and not, not make the NSM core try to solve everything. Because then now we're talking about over complicating the system. But I do think it's an incredibly, incredibly important problem to solve because even the rubber has to hit the road somewhere. And that's it. That's, that's the, that's the spot in terms of the, in terms of the CNF. So, so it's definitely something that we, that we need to, that we definitely need to address. So, if I can also offer my, my opinion here, I, I agree with, with all the conclusions here. I also would vote for this to, to kind of start converging on what these things are, would look like more specifically. I think that what we can try to do is starting from the use cases, we can try to pinpoint some specific, I don't know, CNF and start looking at how this thing gets implemented in, in reality. Like, is it a VPP based, is it a DPDK based? Because I guess that, that depending on that we can figure out different ways to, to approach this library, right? I mean, I don't think that we should focus on very specific technology, but kind of having some, some concrete example that, and try to solve it and see how this looks like. Yes, and Nicolet, the solution was, and we can take more details on the use case, but you have an abstraction, plastic to VPP or OVP, or something like that. When I, I, I really like Frederic's point of view. One example I can give out is that, that's okay, but somewhere in, Someone's got all the time. Yeah, sorry. One extra, I really, I really like Frederic's point of view. One thing I would like to refer about the, how to integrate all those technologies and the data play inside is within Ligato, there was a people proposed in DPP, the MMIF, and they understood that sometimes a pod doesn't know MMIF and you need to find a way to make it work. And he actually said that let's build an abstraction that you add to the pod that makes it MMIF compatible without having to build a complete DPP within the pod. That's part, that was upstream part of the Ligato project. I see the same as an SM. So anybody, because there's something else like right now, in that depth people are proposing AF graphs, or you don't even have a network stack in the, in the container. That will come up overall with communities at some point. There should be a, a roadmap for those kinds of technologies that the day you have them, how to make them supportable in an SM. But that's not part of how an SM should work, should, should focus on. The trick is really getting access from the external world into a community spot where you have CNS and then get out. And how you can change CNS within the community spots or multiple clusters. And how to bring that out, build that. I think for me as a provider, that's my main first concern. And through that, I will work out the details in the kinks of do I need SIOV, do I need the XDP, AFXDP, do I need all those things? And that's where I think I really see the focus needed to be done. Yeah. And there's, there's a lot of. The big question is. Sorry, go on. Go ahead. That was a background noise. Okay. Yeah. So I think, I think a important part in this is that we definitely, so a lot of this stuff is still uncharted territory in the CNF world. So, for example, there are people who have loaded the DBK within a container and they've prototyped that. And we've had some prototypes with loading some of these things within pods, but with some very severe workarounds. Taylor can tell you all about it later on if you ask him. But a large part of this is like, how do we land ourselves to a point where we can start to productize and start to work out where the limitations are? And we're trying to address some of them with Intel as an example with DBDK where and with Kubernetes where you have like NUMA alignment problems and like, how do you get NUMA alignment? Or simultaneously, how do you make sure that DBDK works even if there is an alignment problem because you can still get a significant performance increase even if the alignment isn't there? So there's a lot of questions that are starting to come up with challenging the initial assumptions of each of these projects. And so we have a lot of work to go through in order to make some of these particular use cases works that's going to involve the broader community. So what's great about this though is that we have in this call, we have the people, the experts necessary and the people with the right leverage that I think we can enact and enable these changes and provide guidance to the rest of the community as well. So I think that it's going to be very important for us to have these type of discussions. How do we do SROD? How do you do DBDK and drive these type of things? Have someone have a person or a small group basically become the champions of that topic and go and cover the entire end-to-end use case, not just be like, this is just the client side. Let's say this is how we do it from start to end production and so on with the idea of being to provide guidance for that level. And I think if we take this approach a few times, specifically with MIF, DBDK, SROD and so on, I think that we'll start to land into a point where we'll see those commonalities and then we'll have the right set of knowledge centralized enough that we can effectively go and build such a library or even work out, doesn't make sense to build such a library. But I think it does and go and build that thing and solve the problem across the entire board. So I think we have a real opportunity here. So I think we definitely need to start focusing on some of these questions, especially now that we're starting to get close to providing the initial, do we call it an alpha or a beta? We'll call it the A-release. A-release, yeah. A-release. So now we're getting close to a release. We're getting to a point where we can start asking these type of questions. And so anyone who wants to join in and help with that, please absolutely do so. Get involved with it. Make sure that the time schedules are good for you. And let's drive this thing. Can I put out one thing too on the concept of library? It's kind of like the methodology that the DBDK community took out. Since we're pushing NSM as a cloud-native networking solution, right? Part of that is if you're someone who doesn't want mutability in your world and we make it so that it's not a core function of NSM, then that abstraction is there. This simplicity remains and the standard applications people can come in, get a network service and go about their day. For those of us who constantly want to break our infrastructure, we can import these libraries and start adding more knobs to turn, more, you know, pod manipulations to like Bayer, et cetera, et cetera. And then it's on all of us obnoxious service providers to make life more complicated while leaving NSM in its natural state simplistic for the rest of the world. Yeah, absolutely. And that's that's a huge thing that Ed and I tried to focus on was to really early on in our design of this was to do something that made it very easy and natural to do things that that are considered to be standard. But at the same time, give you the capability to use it, use the project in ways that even both of us can't even dream of at this point. And so I think that flexibility within, you know, that's why we focus primarily on those high level APIs is that if you look at their simple APIs, but there's a lot of flexibility there. And so if if you find that we are failing at that at that requirement, and you don't have the right set of knobs to turn, then make sure that you bring it up to us so we can we can think through the problems. I just want to remind of this spec where which was started by Ed. It's about bringing physical nicks and physical networks in the NSM world through actually consuming them through through the abstraction of a network service. I mean, it's started like more than a month ago. Maybe we need to revisit it in regards to the current discussion, because this might change slightly the way that we approach it. I mean, if we find that this is useful, of course. Yeah, I would find it here again, I would like to reiterate and I reiterate what Devin made the comment that he made, you know, it's valid that we need to not be really reinventing how dpdk and all those things work. But I think it's important we define how we are going to use various such projects that are going on in parallel. And more importantly, are we abstracting enough so that the CNFs that are riding on the network service mesh really don't have to understand the low level details. And if if that effort has already been done, please bear with me. I'm just joining the party here. Yeah, I think how to use the various efforts that are already going on in the community and applying it to the CNFs of the network service mesh. I think that that focus will surely benefit this working group. Yeah. Actually, interestingly, I was talking to a few folks at Intel and they were indicating they may join network service mesh, which is a good news for the community. So and one other thing is probably we can also also invite MJ who evangelizes dpdk to some of the calls to get this input. Yes, since it's into how things would look at least from a dpdk perspective. Yeah, keep in mind the from a performance point of view, a lot of the deployments are going towards smartnicks as well. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I think it's not going to be dpdk centric, but I think it's important to abstract out the way and okay, I guess that we are on the top of the hour already. So one quick question. Sorry, this is not related to the topic, but this is related to the CNC proposal. So I just went through the proposal and I believe it's quite good and then it addresses most of the common issues. So the reason I'm asking this question is before we make any changes to it, if you feel that we can probably maintain at this level of abstraction, I think that would be good. Probably when myself and Ramke, we add to it, we will ensure that we maintain the same level and not really getting to the details of it. So would they call us for a review meeting type of thing? If they want more insights or my question is if you want, we can probably add some links to it and also to clarify any possible doubts. How does the review happen, Nicolay or Fredrick? So at the very minimum, I know that it ends up being presented at the TFC for CNCF. So I don't know if they make an immediate decision there or if there's a multiple rounds. My guess is it could probably go either way because they may reject it, but then say go fix some things and bring it back. But I suspect what they'll do is they'll probably hold a vote and decide whether it gets in or not. But I don't know if that happens on the first meeting or otherwise. Okay, sure. Okay. So then, okay, we will, myself and Ramke are going to meet after this meeting and then we'll probably check back with you on the edits here. Yeah, there's a CNCF project submission. Yeah, I saw that. Yeah. I guess you can also check what the other guys did here. Yes, I've gone through a few of them. Yeah, sure. Thanks. I'll connect back with the operator. Well, we're over our time so I don't want to keep people for any longer. Is there anything else that's urgent that we need to discuss or are we good to go? I think we're good to go. Yeah, just one quick update is that I believe the demo is confirmed, Frederick, and then it'll happen in the Elephant demo booth. And the intent is essentially to showcase how ODEAL talks with NSM. I'll connect back with you just to give you more details and we can probably present it here. Great, it would be great if you can show something. Yeah, it's fantastic. Great, we'll wish that. Thank you everyone and we will see you again next time. Yeah. Thank you, bye. Bye-bye. Thank you guys. Bye-bye. Thanks, bye. Thank you, bye.


Hello everybody. I am Umar Asher of the Berkman Klein Center. I am the Assistant Director of Research there, and I'm so pleased to be talking to Jacob O'Donnell Baden, who is the Co-Founder and Vice President of Legal and Engagement at the E-Governance and Internet Governance Foundation for Africa, E-Gigfa based in Ghana. And today we'll be talking more about the work of E-Gigfa as part of our series, speaking with leaders of institutions within the Global Network of Internet and Society Centers. So I'm so excited to talk to you today, Jacob. So excited that you're a new member of the Global Network of Internet and Society Centers, I think only as of a couple of months ago. So you're just starting to get oriented to the work that we're doing. And this video and this interview, I think will be a great opportunity for you to share a lot of the issues that you're thinking about, the work that you're doing, and what you're excited about in the coming year. So to start us off, I'd love for you to just add anything you'd like to for your introduction and about E-Gigfa and to talk about your center. What is the focus of your center and what is the work that you're currently doing? Thank you very much, Omar, and thanks for the opportunity to speak to you and also to share more about our center. So yes, I'm Jacob, but everybody, as you said, I am the VP for legal and engagement. I am actually a private legal practitioner also on the side. Yes, and E-Gigfa actually was established to conduct our research advocacy and basically to champion initiatives that would allow more people to be actively engaged as far as internet governance and E-governance processes are concerned from Ghana first, and then we are targeting the African continent. So basically that's our clear mission. Okay, and to achieve this, mainly we are doing capacity building, we are looking at research, and then also we have programs targeting the investing communities known as the internet governance collapse and also collaborating with other partners and even more importantly we have an initiative that's known as the School on Internet Governance. So E-Gigfa is part of the dynamic coalition for E-governance schools and yearly we have a yearly program starting this year and interestingly starting this very week. We started this initiative from somewhere, August, where beginning of the year we had fellows who were chosen to be part of this school. In between August and September, they did a one month online school where they got to take on courses from internet society, from ICANN, and then this week they are going to have a three day face to face meeting respecting the COVID-19 protocols as much as possible. So basically I would say that this is what we are doing, that's our mission and these are some of the programs that we have ongoing. That's excellent. So I would actually personally love to hear a little bit more about how that program went and who were the students or the fellows that were part of this particular program. And I ask that because there's a number of centers within the global network of internet and society centers that often host summer schools or winter schools, which are typically two to four weeks long, where it does engage a set of junior researchers or junior fellows who are looking to better inform policy issues but also learn. There are a number of these different summer schools and they're hosted by different centers, often in collaboration with one another so for instance I know of a summer school that's co hosted by a center in Germany and a center in Brazil and a center in India that often switches between those regions and there's a number of other institutions that also do these types of programs, also focused on different levels within education so the Oxford Internet Institute has a summer doctoral program. And the Birken Klein Center is running research sprint with masters and PhD students. So tell me a little bit more about the program. Yes, so for the Internet Governance School, it's basically targeting anyone who has interest. Okay, so what we identified was that whether we have people from the technical community, whether you have people from the civil society, academia, you have to realize that there's a gap because you attend like all these events and you realize that you don't have the proper representation. In fact, you meet some of these people and you tell them look do you know you can actually be active and help shape Internet development or the continent by by being part of, you know, the Internet Governance processes, and they are, they are lost. They don't know. Okay, so these students are people coming from academia. We have people from the technical community working in the ISPs working in the telecom provide telecom companies and the rest. People working in pure business side of things who are now getting to know and coming on board through this through this program and we've seen very strong enthusiasm. Okay, when did the online program or the online learning sessions, they really got exposed and they have a group we created a WhatsApp group in an email list where there's an active, you know, discussion even among the students, you know, so this week, for instance, we are really looking forward for the face to face session and and and and seeing what we can achieve achieve through that session. Yeah. That's excellent. So it sounds like when you were talking about the mission of the gig, and it's core core objective of capacity building. It sounds like you're doing this on an individual level with individuals coming from different sectors. And through that individual level you're also trying to build capacity cross whether it be the private sector or telecom civil society elsewhere. And then are you also doing this institutionally like are there other organizations that work on e governance whether it be or internet governance building Ghana or within the on the continent in the region that work on governance issues and how do you think about that capacity building question and did I did I get that right, or is there another way that you think about capacity building. Okay, so capacity, I mean to be able to have successful capacity building, you need to it's actually hinges on partnerships. Okay, so what we what we looked at was that okay who is doing what and doing it better. Okay, so starting from the individual levels, the people who formed a gig for. So there are four of us.  Okay, starting from, let's say after Nick that's the regional internet registry for Africa, and then going to the IGF we have IGF ambassadors. And then we also have icon fellows. Okay, who've been exposed. Okay, and realizing that they have all this knowledge and they have so much to pour out. And that actually became the driver. And then also we have partnership with the e governance Academy. In fact, one of the initiatives that we organized this year, we have bi monthly webinar. Okay, and we were able to have a webinar with the e governance e governance Academy. And again, we brought people together that's different from the IG school but we're able to get people together from the government side and then from the private sector side to have an introduction, basically, on on e governance or proper e governance within and then research side also one of my team members is actually involved in e governance research. So I think it's a UN initiative. Yeah, so he also brought that kind of learning and experience to our work and Yeah, that's actually what's driving us as far as capacity building is concerned. Yes. That's great. I didn't know what I asked. Yeah, you did you did and and that really shares the spirit of the network of internet and society centers where partnership and collaboration is really the animating force behind the work that we're doing so it's, it's really about how do we create those connections how do we build knowledge, how do we augment the world, augment and inform policy making capacity building scholarship research through this very collaborative and networked approach. And so I'm so glad to hear it. If I can, if I can, if I can talk about partnership also. We're also able to seal the various strategic partnership with the global cyber alliance, you know, and we have, we have a representative from this institution, giving a session on cybersecurity during the during the school remotely. So, in fact, riding on on the partnerships we, that has actually actually enriched the face to face content. Okay, because we have a partnership with Africa Nick, and they are going to be part of the school, you know, they have the person in charge of engagement who will engage these students and and let them know how they can directly involve themselves with the work of Africa Nick in the Africa region. So, the most important thing what I'm trying to say is that the partnership has actually also enriched the capacity building efforts, as far as the Internet Governance School is concerned. Great. Thank you that's, that's a great addition. So I'd love to hear about your plans for next year, what is one thing that you're excited about coming up in the in the next 12 months. Yes. So, we are so so excited about the Internet Governance School. Okay, this year is the first edition. It's going so well. We are looking forward to how it's actually, you know, ends this week. I'm so excited because even now we've learned a lot on how we will be able to improve the program so next year definitely you have the School of Internet Governance coming up. We're going to again have a webinar series that's bi-monthly and it's going to touch on several topics around e-governance and Internet Governance specifically. Next year also, in fact, one call, and by the way, we started this organization about a year ago, okay, and one kind of arm of our initiatives or our work is one called the Internet Governance Clubs. And the Internet Governance Clubs mainly was to target the university communities, okay, so that we would be able to force strategic partnership with, let's say, the computer science department, information studies department, or other departments within the university system so that they would be able to add some content as far as Internet Governance is concerned in their syllabus for their students. And the idea was also to create, like, campus chapters, you know, so that we can help people young, especially from these communities, so they can actively participate. Now, this year we had challenges because schools had to close. We were far advanced with the engagement and we couldn't drive it. So next year we are really hoping that things will normalize. We in Ghana here we are going to have, we are going back to school in January.  Next year we are looking forward for further collaborations, especially in the area of research. As part of this School of Internet Governance, we've seen partners, you know, like the digital defenders who are willing to see how we can include digital rights, you know, initiatives in the program. Ideally we even wanted to create a separate, you know, a separate project for that, but because of time we had infused certain digital rights, you know, content in the school. So we are looking forward to a project that's actually focuses on digital rights, basically. So we have a lot in mind. We are looking forward for more partnerships, we've signed a lot of memorandum of understanding with organizations that share our vision, and we are actually finalizing and know that we will be able to roll some key projects for next year. That's great. And I think you anticipated my next question, which was going to be, what are opportunities for collaboration that you see and you would like to share. So I wonder maybe just to make it more specific. It sounds like you have many different forms of partnership that you think about with other organizations. So what, what specifically might that look like. And as you're thinking about other organizations within the network of centers, whether they in the region or other regions around the world, how can they be most helpful to you and how would you like to collaborate with them or what would you like to see if that doesn't already exist. Yeah, it's great. So, as far as collaboration is concerned, we realize that we are new in the ecosystem. And then we realize that there are other institutions that have been doing what we are trying to do for years. Now, what we are seeing is that there's a gap because as much as they will be doing what they are doing so right in their region, we realize that there is a gap in this region. And so when we think about collaboration, we are thinking about more kind of learning, getting more tools, and then extending the reach of their work, okay, and showing that our work also come, you know, to the limelight better so we are showing the global work piece as far as internet governance is concerned, work from our region also be highlighted. So basically right on each other's platform. Another part is also funding, because we have all these ideas that we are thinking about and how to actually get it going. Interestingly, we realize that some of these partners are running initiatives, and they also are looking forward to get same initiatives also running here in Ghana and in Africa. So it makes it easy, you know, it makes it easy. So that's what we are looking at. We are looking at more institutional capacity building so we can continue to do what we're doing very effectively, basically, and have more reach. So that's a great answer and I would also say there's, I've had another, I think the last conversation that I had with the center as well, also very, very new so established or renewed within the last year, and also had the same question about how do we think about not only initiatives but also this funding piece because sustainability of the work is so important and having that support is super important to actually really having impact, especially in research and policy. So this may be an emerging theme or I hope that perhaps there might be connection points between centers to share what's worked, what hasn't, how do we think about the funding ecosystem and landscape. I think there's a lot about the shifting landscape of digital rights generally, and increased attention, especially from policymakers but also disciplines within academia to digital issues on their impact on society so I think there's a lot for for all of us to talk about and to connect on within the global network of Internet and society centers. So before we end is there anything else that you'd like to share from your work from a gig for anything that you're thinking about that you'd like to leave our audience with. Well, thank you very much. So basically what I want to share is that there's a lot of work to be done, actually. So for us who are addressing the IG space, the little work we have started doing tells us that there's so much there's so much to be done, and everyone actually should have a piece, you know, of their work, you know, so if you have the knowledge, if you have the, you should have the passion, but if you've, you have that knowledge in IG Internet Governance, you should be willing to engage more you should be willing to share. And that's actually what's driving us we just could not set aloof and watch that you have a little representation when you get to the global stage.  You know, people who are not IT savvy by all means have to get IT savvy to be able to work remotely and also I think we should all get passionate and that's actually what's driving us and we look forward to like minded people people want to partner with us. People want more information about our work and contact us and we can we can engage and talk more from there. Thank you. Excellent. Thank you and how do people reach you. What's your what's the best way to do that. And by email so you go to our website you're going to get our information so www.agigfa.org www.agigfa.org you go there our social media handles are all over there you have our direct office lines and you can contact us and we can collaborate. Great. Well thank you, Jacob and thank you for this wonderful conversation and for this introduction to IGIGFA.  And thanks again. Thank you very much Amar. Thanks so much. We really appreciate the platform you've given us through this session. We are grateful also. Thank you.


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What's up everybody, Jayce here for jayspeakscasebreak.com. Happy new release day 2020 top team museum baseball just released It's a 12 box case break random teams number one. So it's a full case break. How about that? Nice So again full case all 30 teams in no combo teams all cards ship Each box contains one autograph relic card one on card autograph One quad relic card and one relic card so four hits per box guaranteed case hits one museum collection frame autograph card One jumbo relic autograph card. So actually guys This random teams is probably going to get me to like 120 115 my best to get it done quicker. I Think this was a half case break for a second there. So there you go. Here's a dice. Well, here's a customer names Boom. Let's type in the team. Shall we that should be that's a good idea And let's roll the dice One and a four or five times one two three four and five So Marlins down to the D bags Yeah, I remember that Wi-Fi cord here was cut George the Marlins Daniel the Red Sox Chris of the Rockies Andrew the Ruer is Chris parent with the Royals Chris Maxow with the White Sox Michael with the twins Edward with the Reds Chris Maxow with the Mets Seth with the Nationals Eugene with the Dodgers sound with the Cubs Josh Cruz with the Orioles Debra with Phillies Mark K with the Padres Daniel Reese with the Mariners Paul Chung with the Rangers Cohen. You have the Rays George with the Indians Daniel the Braves Christopher with freeze with the Yankees Daniel the Cardinals Shawn You have the Angels Chris Walker with the Pirates Jeremy Agno With the A's Lloyd with the Giants Matthew with the Tigers Cohen with the Blue Jays Michael T with the Astros and Megan you have the Arizona Diamond bags All right, is anybody gonna trade or we're sticking with you. What you got? I Say those Cardinals for Nationals Seth and DeCons trying to trade you want to let me know confirmed that we can do that And we'll close the trade window All right, cool, sure when the clothes and we'll just do that one trade so Nationals Cardinals, oh wait, what am I doing? Yeah, so Seth, you know how the Cardinals, right? Plus Boom, all righty guys. So here you go. Oh, I already closed it Daniel, but I don't know if Chris is gonna trade the White Sox for the Boston Red Sox, but It's already close. Sorry This is a full case for you guys. Wow. All right. Yes. There is a case hit in this stuff. You get One jumbo relic autograph card and the framed autograph card is the case hit. So there's two of them actually All right, good luck. This is random teams number one Ryan Samberg clean Kershaw Trevor story Ozzy Smith That George Springer King Griffey, Jr. McCutcheon Jim Carl Stanton No, Senegal Nolan Ryan Ozzy Alby's and a canvas collection Bryce Harper We got Frank Thomas tonight in on Shane Beaver since this will endure Frank Thomas again and the first hit we got is a Gary Sheffield 25 out of 25 Pick your team number two is next Vikings. Yes, that'll be my last break and then Joe take over Here's a schedule should roughly around maybe 120 or so and Gavin Lux to 299 198 out of 299 for the Dodgers Going to Eugene We got a Cody Ballinger for the Dodgers relic, you know, three out of ten Another one for the Dodgers How about a third hit for the Dodgers three out of four in this box out of 75 clean Kershaw Trevor Relic. All right next one This is a full case 12 box case for it Susie was Ardo from the Tattis and the Rizzo and a Gavin Lux Canvas collection the Dodgers Christopher free to the Yankees you got me go for near 50 And the weeks were a bear our first one we got is Eugene Oswars For the Cincinnati Reds to 299 Max Kevlar to 299 Minnesota twins Michael you got a Ryan Zimmerman relic there for the Washington Nationals That's Danny little trade mojo And quad relic for the Astros Bringer Bregman Altuve and Verlander He's an Astros Michael the next one guys We're going to Alomar blue jays addition to 150 Bell Verlander the Grom You got Don Mattingly Lamenting Roger Clemens beaver Rifkin Scherzer Niko Horner a buster Posey 150 and a little canvas collection of Ronald O'Cuny and June Brace All right first we got a rookie autographed as soon as was Ardo 299 Oakland a is going to Jeremy a we got Trey Mancini relic for the Baltimore Orioles number to 50 Josh Proust Kevin B. Geo for the blue jays The relic and auto the 299 that is Luigi is going to Cohen last spot mojo Kevin's auto is pretty cool actually, right? At Delbert burto at Elberto Mondes Chapman Royals Actually Cali's I thought this was a half case break, but this is the full case break random teams So the Pikachu to be after this yeah, I think I'm trying to project it by like 115 120 Since the first thing took me like 30 minutes. I got to think about an hour here, so Hopefully by 115 ish 20 Should be done Four boxes in out of this ball some almost halfway there. Hi, Jesus was Ardo the canvas of Luis Robert I'd say by like for sure By 125 120 130 if you want to be safe don't go cock The ones you're in trouble of a canvas collection there Willie Mace Jackie Robinson 99 Openship at first we got his Chris paddock triple relic there for the San Diego Padres And I was he thought this was a half case break a queen. Oh nice one to 50 41 almost three off the jersey number For the red as well as the reds in this one Edward does so refer there you go man and Carlos Correa little cry baby Astros and Josh Hader for the brewers. All right, excellent Well, Carl, like I said, there's three new releases today The first pick your team is tied into that pack break which is down to like 20 or something Pick your teams is actually moving pretty quick number two now. We're down to 14 Like I said, I have no doubt that we're gonna break a couple of those tonight But just know that there's three new releases today and there's two more on Friday, so Everybody's scrambling to see what they can get into but we just started the stream early, right? So I've been here for one of you three hours now almost Joe be here till nine Sean probably be here till midnight past By till two again like he did last night. So there's plenty of time Big boppy David Ortiz our first we got it Angela Kutchin for the Phillies Debra Kirby Yates for the Padres Do a relic in auto Number to two ninety nine Lou Brock for the Cardinals So 149 trade mojo Seth and a quad relic here of the Padres My name is child for now. It's a T's will Myers and Chris pattern Podra's gonna mark. Okay. All right guys officially halfway through the break So I should be done with this by one 30.  Yeah, there's had three rookies in here Lucille Pujols and Gavin Lux Garrett that's Chris Bryant your Me go and do our start us off little pinstripes 31 out of 50 Yankees Kevin Kramer All right. Look at that Rockies patch in there. There's a little bit of yellow a little bit of blue. They go for the race. Oh Sorry, not Kevin Kramer. I was I thinking of that cure major 1925 You got Randy Johnson with quad relic For the Rockins, I don't you won't say Rockins again. This is d-backs be confused with the Megan and only one autograph here, but it's a boba shed 14 out of 25 what number see Last Bob Mojo Fortune out of 25 Superstar showpieces autograph Well, good thing Sean is this is a full case break. I thought it was a half case break so You still have the other half and there's a frame still here the other case hit the jumbo relic patch auto still here still chances of trucks And angels in general. This is a half-case break. Yeah, you would have went skunked probably the fact is that we still have another six boxes As a plate of the whistle final buzzer Last out Whatever you'd like to use Justin Verlander, Miller and Otto, JD Martinez, Chipper Jones You got a red 250 max Scherzer Henderson Keiston Jackie Robinson Ozzy Albees each of the many Machado and Don Alley Canvas collection And good luck first one is a Louise Robert. Man, what a case we got a Gavin Lux Louise Robert and a boba shed auto 160 out of 299 Chicago White Sox gonna Chris Maxwell Joey Gallo nice little three-color patch 299 for the Texas Rangers on the Paul You guys money grand all for the Chicago White Sox 22 out of 50 So this one actually had the second auto that was missing earlier Earlier that boba shell was the only autograph out of that box. She's supposed to get to this one's gonna have three autos So that makes up for it right here. No one there for the White Sox and the frame is Out of 15 5 out of 15. That's Ryan Sandberg for the Chicago Cubs and Sam K with the Cubs very nice Next one. Good Joe Vato, Josh Bell Ortiz, Ronald Cooner Jr. and Peter Lonzo Larkin and the canvas collection Mike Piazza Labor Tours, Brandon McKay rookie Chapman and Aaron Judge All right, first one is a quad relic here for the Mets That's the Grom Alonzo Comforto and Noah Cinnagard Number 96 out of 99 So we need to get some top loaders Hey boba, do you have 130s right there? Do you have 130s? Can I give you some? And we got a four out of five Momentous material patch Is that the one we're looking for? Is that a case here right there? Four out of five Salvador Perez for the Kansas City Royals It's like the one in 13 Kansas City Royals, that's Chris Perry. We have Brandon Woodruff The 299 for Milwaukee and we got Trent Grisham 299 for the Padres Four boxes to go including this one of your bias, Paul Lewis and a big hurt ranked Thomas canvas collection reproduction sketch Brandon McKay a nice little Canvas collection of looks like Vladimir girl Jr. Oh, that's a one-of-one That Actually looked very fake, but it was very real There you go little Vlad Junior this is trout as artists, but could be a J or something That's pretty cool. Very nice. Our first one. We got is Tommy Edmund This ain't those Cardinals trade mojo for Seth Quattro I like here for the Rizzle by a shoreburn Brian's Yeah, it was a Cardinal. Yeah, that was I think you only play for two teams. So It's Cardinals and Padres. So yeah, that was a Cardinals jersey Dejah LeMay you for the Yankees and for the Ray's brown love. All right, three more boxes guys Good good. I think we haven't broke with soccer. So you'll be able to do that later. Hopefully Gavin left Lizardo and George Springer. You have Paul Goldschmidt Cardinals canvas reproductions Caliwis by German markless To 35 little three-color packs for the Colorado Rockies Chris Walker We got Marcel Suna To 299 for the Braves Daniel Reese try to trade the Braves Couldn't trade mojo Clane Kershaw triple rally for the Dodgers Eugene and we got for the Chicago Cubs Robelle Garcia to 299 What a rookie autograph on card as well. All right, two more boxes. You guys good luck second to last box Votto, Strasburg, Caliwis. Looks like uh Scherzer The Nationals You got Cabrera to 99 Lizardo Austin Riley That is a momentous patch Otto Seven out of 15. So maybe that was the case there actually Braves Daniel You got Will Clark nice autographs. Uh, Giant's going to Lloyd Carlos Carrera 75 Astros Relic Michael T And we got a nice patch of Mitch Garver to 25 for the Minnesota Twins Alrighty last box Like I said, we're at a picketing number two It's the last one. I'll do it really quick. This was a full case. It took much longer And then Joel take over after that Not sure Tyler is anybody having trouble? Looks like we've been getting a couple orders in They aren't they just placed an order like two minutes ago Jeremy did a couple minutes ago about five six minutes ago James Jane Beaver, Don Manley, Sandy Kofax and Ichiro Jorge Soler for the Royals Ejula Mayu Yankees and we got Mike Soroka for the Braves And the last hit is Gary Sheffield Yankees 171 out of the 2.99 Uh, it's going to Christopher freeze and the Yankees And there you go everybody. That was the break. That was the full case break There you go Some nice stuff popping out of here Next up is a quick pick your team at the half case breaks. That'll be half the time took about 48 minutes. So about 20 or so for the next one. So I'm going to do the last one there and then Joel take over And then at the museum collection pick your team number three It's pretty much almost sold out as well. There's a one-on-one sketch there out of five frame Robert Otto we had a bulb of sheds And Gavin Lux somewhere in here. So pretty nice names. Unfortunately, I know there's some teams that Didn't get much when it comes to hits, but everything does ship So you will still get some base and hopefully some numbered inserts and serial numbered base cards as well. Appreciate you guys jaspscasebreaks.com


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