Are you showing them everything? Guys, ignore it. Guys, here's our protein shake. Here's a water bottle. Did you brush your teeth today? No. Holy.  I just ate food. We just got back from... Wait, that was really gross. Did you brush your teeth today? Yes, I did. This morning, before the gym. That was the first thing I did in the morning. Did you brush your teeth in the morning? Okay, let me just tell you guys. Disgust.  Does it matter? You gotta brush your teeth after every single meal if you don't have this. Okay.   Listen, today is gonna be a really fun day. Also, ignore how crazy I look. This is all about to glow up, okay? I'm showing you guys my not-caron face. You look good. And I'm breaking out condo bed right now, which it's clearing up. But today, we and Bella are going on a little date night. So if you guys don't know this, before we got really busy, every Thursday would be our date night move-out. And what? We did this for two weeks. Yeah, and then we stopped. That's it. Okay, but basically that was gonna be our weekly thing, was every Thursday we were gonna try a different restaurant. I came up with that. Yeah, a different restaurant in Florida and have me time. Oh, us time. It didn't last. It didn't last. No. It's been like, what, three months? Yeah. So we're bringing it back. We're gonna bring back our Thursday date night. Today's currently Thursday. I know when you're watching this, it's not Thursday, but it is Thursday. If you don't believe me, let me show you guys. Thursday. We're not liars. You can trust us. So, today we are making a pact that if we film on Thursdays or any time we will be going on a date night. Hopefully. Every Thursday. No, why? You can't just say hopefully because then it's never gonna happen. Exactly, we're making a pact. Every Thursday we're going on a date night from now until forever. History and our relationship. So what do we got? It's so dark. We put in all these lights to not turn them on. I swear, Alexa, turn on all lights to 100%. Bam. There we go. All right, what are we cooking up? I'm making some lunch before I get ready and gloss myself up here. Making myself a low carb style cauliflower meat pizza bowl. You sound like you're actually like a dietitian. Like you know what you're talking about. Making a low carb. I said I didn't. I didn't know that. I don't think there's anything low carb about pizza. Let me just tell you that. I mean, there's 13G net carbs, which isn't the best, but it's got a lot of protein. Yeah, it's pretty good. I swear. You know those people that walk into a store and they're picking up every item and looking at the calories and stuff? That's me and Mariah now. Like if you see us in our supermarket, that's all we do. Our pantry is actually weak and we actually have to go shopping because we're actually having a really big party here for the 4th of July. I didn't even realize how big this party was gonna be.  Jules and Saad were supposed to be here. Okay, they were supposed to come. What are they doing? They're gonna be going to Mexico like a couple of weeks after so, yeah. They're picking Mexico over Mariah. Wow. So, they're being basic, whatever. Whatever. I've already been given a credit card. Loki, I would like to go to Mexico instead of seeing fireworks going on here. Maybe we'll kind of block their, I don't know what's going on. What are you talking about? They interfere with their vacations and say they're gonna go. It's all right, it's all right. We still got a lot of people coming over. But yeah, we have a lot of people. Probably there's gonna be like 15 other people here. Yeah, there is. Which is a lot. They'll be fine. Hopefully they all show up. I know. I mean, we don't know. Nobody shows up. That'd be our life. We gotta actually buy junk food because people don't be eaten healthy like this. We have to buy food that we are not gonna eat. Yeah. Except that one night. That one night. That's our cheat night. That's our cheat night. We have to make sure all the way up to Fourth of July though. We cannot cheat them. We have to take a pack that way. We just ate spicy Cheetos last night though. Hot Cheetos. Yeah, but that's okay though. That's our logic. It's okay unless it's not okay. Oh, wait, I wanna show you guys a new thing that people are drinking. So, I don't usually like tea or any type of tea. You're gonna look so big there. Do that again. Lean in. So, I actually, Bill's mom got me into this. It's Unsweet Gold Peak Real Brood Ice Tea and it's 43 milligrams of caffeine. And then you add this electrolyte lemonade. It makes it taste really good. Unsweetened ice tea is not good. And if you like it, you have some different taste buds. Wait, where's our protein? But Unsweetened ice tea is not good guys. Like, let me tell you, it tastes like grass. So, we add in this like supplement of lemon and it makes it taste like an art of polymer. It's so freaking good. All right, so we're currently mixing these up, but do I know it's funny? Even though we're going on date night, we act like we never go on date nights. We hang out 24 hours a day. We are with each other so much that Mariah sometimes doesn't wanna be together. We need to get a protein shaker with a ball in it. I'm actually gonna order that. But this is how you're making it. Your mom said it's better than yours. Oh, that's perfect. Okay, we didn't have to use another one. One fills up two glasses. Bing bang, boom. How Starbuck makes their money right there? She said do it to your tasting. Oh, not that much. What? No, she put way less in it. You just pour it all in yours. It's literally not that much. It's just like a little bit. And this is totally safe. That's a lot actually. She said it's got electrolytes in it. It helps with like energy and stuff. All right, we're gonna do a taste test for y'all and I'm gonna put you on it. Actually, my mom is so cute. She wrote on here. So if you guys wanna go get this, it's lemonade at ultimareplenisher.com. Babe, see it's not mixing. It's the lemonade one. It'll be fine. We'll mix it up. It has bourbon in it. It doesn't have alcohol in it. You just saw it. Why does it look weird? All right, taste test time. How's the taste? Pretty good? I think that's A plus. I gotta try it on. Oh, that's perfect. That's perfect.  That's why we gotta get one of those gym shaker things to be able to actually mix it up. I use a shaker that bartenders use. Don't recommend for supplement shakes and stuff, but it worked. Well, it's some sort of powder. I'm just calling it a supplement. I don't know what it's called, but it worked. That's all I managed. Baby, can you hold my hand for this one last time? Dot me up. You know, I just wanna say I love you, but I've never been more excited to split up for a couple hours to get ready. Likewise. Because I think the challenge is who's gonna look better than the other? Me. Me. I think we're both gonna dominate. Yeah, we are. You have to come back. We have to come back and give each other a rating. Yeah. Yeah, I think the only way to go out together is to break up beforehand. Yeah. So, this is it.  I love you and stay safe, okay?  You gotta make sure you're staying safe and honed. And honed? Yeah, just like, feel safe. I love you have something better than that. At home. And relax and renew, okay? I like that. Dude, do I get wisdom, words of wisdom too? Yeah, what are your words of wisdom to me? You know, babe, you don't need a material item to make you look better, okay?  And no matter how much you cover yourself up to enhance your features or whatever, you're always beautiful no matter what. So don't get caught up in all the BS. Is that good? Who did it better? Guys, who did, comment down below who did it better? I think guys. Alright, get in there, go into us. We literally have like three hours till dinner anyway. So I'm just rushing it. Two, three, four, four hours. If you spend four hours getting ready. I will take a while in there though. Four hours? No, but I'm just, I'm not in a rush. Oh, we do have to film a TikTok, so I definitely do gotta get ready kind of quickly. Yeah, honestly. Honestly? Honestly? Alright, go up. Would you wanna stay and let the world, I wanna see you be brave out in this world without me. Bye, love you. Hey, listen, you was being brave enough babe. Alright, it is makeup time. So this is actually my first time doing my makeup on camera in my vanity room, I think. Like I'm obviously, I showed you guys everything, but this is like my first time actually doing my makeup. But I wanted to tell you guys, I wanna try to do something different today. I wanna try like a different makeup look. It kinda can either go both ways. It can either fail really bad and mess up the whole day or it can go really well and it'll be worth it. But I actually just got this new package PR from ColourPop and they brought, they gave me a freckle pen. So after I like apply the makeup and stuff, I'm gonna put it on, I'm a little nervous, but I wanna try. I just wanna give myself like a little bit of freckles. I feel like that'd be kind of cute for like a picture for Instagram or something, like something different. So wish me luck on that. I'm not quite sure how that's gonna, you know, turn out, but it could turn out really good. So I actually kinda wanna like do this all off camera and kinda surprise you guys. Cause I actually have something cool that I'm gonna try. I don't know how it's gonna turn out, I'm a little nervous. It could go, like I said, both ways. I already told you guys I'm doing the freckle thing, but there's something else that I'm doing. So I'm gonna surprise you guys too. I'm gonna finish up my makeup off camera, but let me just say too, I'm just so excited to see what Bill looks like. I don't know why I love when he dresses up. I think he just looks so freaking cute. Like, oh, I just love when he dresses up.  But I'm gonna do the rest of the makeup off camera and I'm gonna show you guys, so this is before it's just bronzed up and then this is after and this is the final look. So I don't know if you guys can tell but I'm gonna bring you guys up a little bit. I don't know if you guys can see the freckles. I think they look so cute. They ended up turning out super natural and pretty. When I first put them on, I was like, but honestly, this is such a vibe. I'm actually obsessed. I also did a few braids in the front. This one's a little bit more thicker than the other one, but I think it turned out really cute. Let me show you guys the fit. So I have on a, like a jumpsuit. I think it's super cute. It's kind of like see-through right here. I'm absolutely obsessed. I haven't showed Bill yet, so we should go out there and surprise him. I think he's in the shower right now getting himself ready. So I'm excited to see what he decides to wear. I told him I was wearing black and also I had this like cute little silver chain on which is super cute. But yeah, I'll rate my look. I'll actually show you guys more out there once I have my shoes on and everything. But I think it would look so cute to wear this Louis purse today. That is a vibe. I feel like that looks so cute. I feel like everything turned out super good. I was also gonna do, I was gonna do white eyeliner, but the white eyeliner honestly didn't really look good. So I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna cover it with black eyeliner. And then I did like half lashes. So I'm feeling pretty today. I haven't done a full face of makeup in a while and I'm feeling amazing. And I can't wait to take some pictures. Stay tuned for Instagram. Make sure you guys are following us on Instagram because you're not gonna wanna miss out on these photos. And we're gonna do like a little like photo dump while we're at dinner and stuff.  I think they're so cute. I'm obsessed, but I'm happy with how I look. So I know Mariah's been filming a lot of her getting ready and I was gonna do that, but I know she, there's a lot more that goes into hers than mine. Like all I gotta do is shower, put some fresh clothes on and then like just put on like my accessories and stuff, do my hair, but I'm all done. I wanna show you the finished fit before Mariah sees it. So you guys are gonna get the finished fit look right now. So basically what I did as you can see with my t-shirt, it's like, yeah, I guess it's like a button up t-shirt kind of vibe. The bath is actually in Boston with jewels and saw it along with these pants that I'm wearing.  I feel like these pants, which both of these are actually from Zara, which I'd never even heard of until I went to Boston and we went into a Zara store. But this is what I'm looking like tonight. I hope she likes it. I hope it looks snazzy enough. I hope I look snazzy enough, but I'm also wearing my Gucci shoes that Mariah got me for Christmas. I think it wasn't for my birthday. I think it was for Christmas and they're gonna match perfectly with the color blend of this because I'm wearing like kind of white here.   Like it's gonna accent it good. So this is my fit for the night. Let's go see Mariah's fit.  I don't know what left she has to do, but I know she's close. You have to look different ways. All right, I'm out. I'm not looking at you. I'm looking this way. Where are you at? You gotta, are you looking? Why are you looking at me? No, you're saying you don't look at me. You guys are ooey. We kind of match. Hold on, let's do it. Let's do a outfit check real quick. It's actually really cute, babe. But with my Gucci shoes, it's gonna look good. Oh yeah. I rarely ever dress myself because Mariah just has this image of me that she wants to see. So today I think I did pretty good. You did. You did. Those new pants on your top. Yeah, it's off of the Zara on this top. Oh, it looks cute. So you look good too. See what I added to my face? Yeah, this? No. And freckles. You noticed the freckles? Yeah, I noticed the freckles. Do you like it? Look at them, guys. Did you show Mariah's clothes? Yeah, I did. I was like, oh my God. Look at this girl. She has freckles. And then I'm gonna put on some heels. You're giving me that like hot, but I don't care vibe. You know what I mean? Like you don't care, but you know you got the goods. We're gonna be the best couple walking in the restaurant. We are. We're that couple guys that everyone looks at and they're like, I wish my husband was like, that was me, but in reality like we're all the same. So basically this is the fit for the day. You look hot. You look actually sexy. You look hot, but thanks. Damn. I wish I could look as good as you. Rate us down below. Who do you think did it better? Mariah or me? I know a lot of you guys are gonna be going for Mariah, but give me some creds. Oh, tell him. Give me some creds. Come on. Like, not bad, right? With the shoes whenever I put them on, I'll show you. These are actually the shoes that Mariah got me for Christmas. It was Christmas, right? Yeah. I'm not gonna show you guys my fit, my shoes yet because they're in the other room. Imagine. Look at that. Oh yeah, that'll look hot. Right? That'll look hot. That's what I'm saying. And it gives you a little bit more. Yeah. I'll be like two inches taller. But I'm also gonna be two inches up, so. Oh, it'll be perfect then though. It'll accent each other perfectly. I'm excited to eat. Like, it's only nine and four yet and I'm starving. That's what I told them. I'm like, we literally have so long to go. But it's okay. It's okay. It's coming. We just made it to the dinner spot that we're gonna be going to. We literally just pulled in the parking lot. Now we're trying to find a good place to take pictures. And this is what we're working with. I feel like this tree would be super dope. Like if you just go right up here. Like buy the tree though, right? Cause look at all the vines. That's so sick. I want to take pictures right here. You know what? I've been here before. Yeah, that's Palm Brokers. That's the steak place that we, me and my parents went to before. He used to be a cute spot for photos. Yeah, I would.  We brought a tripod so we can take couples pictures. Make sure to follow us on Instagram by the way, because we are gonna be posting these on Instagram. I haven't posted in a minute. So people start coming here. And our reservations aren't for another like 20 minutes. So we'll be good for now. All right girl, work it. I want to see all your different poses. Apparently Mariah has a ton of stuff. So let's see what we got. This is actually photo spot two. We only were in the other one for like 30 seconds because it was honestly not that good. The tree didn't provide that much lighting. So. It was a different one. It wasn't even as good. Like right here I was like, it's like too greenery. And then you go here. I can't even see it. Hold on. All right, so you guys can kind of see it. Oh, okay. There we is. All right, show mine. Show mine. Look at how good these photos came out. Ooh. Okay, Bill. Okay, I know it's kind of blurry to see in the camera, but if you follow us on Instagram, you'll be able to see them loud and clear.  But we are posting these photos probably like today. Tomorrow. Probably when we upload this maybe. Okay. Then when we upload this. So make sure to go to our Instagrams. Comment that you came from this video. Give it a frickin' heart. All right, let's go eat. Yeah, but now we gotta go find the restaurant because we are hungry and it's time to grub. I cannot wait. We've been waiting for this moment literally all day and it's here. All right guys, first appetizer is these. Jenga bread. Jenga bread. I'm gonna be showing you all the food as it comes out, but this is what we're doing first. My first taste test. What do you think? They good? And apparently everything here is small for fortunes, but it's so good. Doesn't even matter. All right guys, second meal is the French onion soup. Me and Mariah both have the same thing. And these are the drinks that we got. This is our first drinks as well. That actually matches Mariah's energy right now. And I usually don't like the drinking, but this is like really good. But look at how aesthetic this looks.  It looks like a pizza. It looks like a cheese pizza. This has gotta be like the best food, I think. 100%. All right, this is the actual entree. This is the final dish. Look at this. So I got this sushi slider thing. It's so weird. It's like tuna on a slider. Mariah got mashed potatoes, of course, and filet mignon. I would eat more than that. You would what? You know me, I love my mashed potatoes. Oh yeah, Mariah's gonna shout that down. But a dinner, what, 10 out of 10 so far? It's freaking crazy. We're gonna explain more after this, but like this food is actually insane. All right guys, we just got out of eating dinner. Oh my gosh. Date night dinner, how was it? You guys, that was probably the, honestly the best date night we've ever had. One out of 10, what do you think? Oh, it beat the scale. Like honestly, I think that is the best place I've ever eaten at, like a thousand percent.  Where is this like your favorite place to eat? The aftertaste is good. I said that earlier about something else too. I don't know what it is, but like the food was just so good. As if we hired him to be our chef. Our friend knows the owner, no we could, honestly. If we ever had a party, we can hire him. Oh, 100% One of our best friends is best friends with that owner. That's who recommended it, right? Oh yeah. And we had, I totally forgot to show you the salad that we had. But I had a salad and that was, only thing I didn't show. All I gotta say is if you live in Florida, go to Blanc, that's where it was at. And it's not even a promotion or anything, like I'm telling you right now, that has gotta be one of my, is that your favorite restaurant you've been to? Favorite when it comes to quality of food? Yes. Yeah, 100%. What's your favorite? What's your favorite place you've been to? How much do you think that was? We ordered a lot. And mind you, each drink was $10. We had three drinks. $100? It was 120. What? With tip, it was like 145. Guys, with how good that food is? 125 bucks, babe. That's, it's a fussin'. Okay, wait, I was just saying. The filet mignon was only, what, $25? What, $25? Because I remember when we first went, we didn't, the four, just, no. No, no, no. That's a lot of money. It is a lot of money, but let me tell you, we ordered a lot of stuff. If we only went there and we ordered an appetizer and dinner, it would have been like, probably 80 bucks. Yeah, which is honestly for- Double, like, Buffle the Y-Wings. It's worth nothing about it. For high end food like that, it's worth it.   But it was amazing. Bill was just trying to hot box me in here. God. Hot box, you mean like it was hot in here? Yeah. 10 out of 10. I feel like this day night, that was probably the favorite place I've ever went for a day night. Yeah, honestly, it was, honestly, it's my favorite place to eat. Are you joking? And we were like, we were like slap happy at the end of dinner. Yeah, we went there. We just kept laughing. The tables, Loki, are so close together. No, it was so bad, like, this couple sits next to us and like, we're like this. Next to each other. The guy that set, this is like the only other youngest couple there. They were probably still what, 28, 30? I don't even know. Tell me that guy did not kind of look like me. A little bit. And she kind of looked like me. She was, she definitely was not the best looking girl in there though. This girl was. It's okay. Guys, we're going to end the video here. We hope you guys enjoyed this date night. We want to start doing more videos like these, like more vloggy, like real life stuff. Oh, my brain right here is coming out. Because it was super fun. We got some Instagram pictures, actually really good ones. If you want to go follow us on Instagram, like I said earlier, please follow us on Instagram and comment that you came from this video. And like, just like our recent post because that is also how we are doing our giveaways. We just gave away an iPhone 13 and we want to give away more. So as you can see me and Tim and Mariah are tired. We literally been like working all day and I know it's only seven o'clock at night, but like. Dang, it's already seven? Oh my God. It's seven o'clock at night, but like, that dinner. We were actually here for a while. I feel like I'm in a food coma. Oh, I'm definitely in a food coma. Dude, we ate so much food. Oh, I think that's the perfect time we went because I feel like that was before everyone got busy. Now it's busy there. 530, they opened at 5, 530 was the time to go. 5 could have been the time. We're definitely going to go back and we're going to bring our friends soon. Before we end the video, we want to give a post notification shout out to Sunshine Harley. Sunshine Harley shout out to you and that is also off of Instagram too. So you can get a shout out off of Instagram if you make sure to follow us. Also on YouTube, but like most likely on Instagram because we want to like see you guys on our Instagram and if you want to see more of us make sure to go follow us on there. But shout out to you. Thank you for watching our channel. And we will see you guys in the next video. But until then. 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We've now got David Scott who's talking about applying agile in real-world scenarios. Alissa apparently was going to jointly present it but she's had to be a late withdrawal unfortunately. So I'm looking forward to this talk. Obviously it's certainly uptake of agile methodologies and government is certainly a growing area there. And I think it'll be interesting to talk about particularly applying that in that risk-averse government context as well. So I'll hand over to David now from Doc House. Thank you very much. I hope everything's working well. Yes, it's absolutely right. It is a really interesting space to be in in terms of applying agile and understanding those limitations. And that's particularly what Alissa was keen to share today. So she does send her apologies to everybody but she's given me quite a bit of information to pass on to everybody. So we'll jump straight into it and start talking about applying agile in those real-world scenarios. It's in particular relation to a recent project that our team delivered for VCAT. Alissa is program manager there at VCAT across all things digital. And so she's the person who has to go and convince the board and convince the procurement departments to operate in an act that their projects will operate an agile way and to trust the processes and to trust her team that deliver them. And Doc House were fortunate enough to work alongside them and deliver a recent project for them. Talking about agile, we'll know it. You know, we'll think we know it. It's nothing particularly new here to ourselves and to this audience. But particularly what are we talking about? What am I talking with you about today? It's agile in the context of the real-world constraints of that vendor-client relationship, the government sector and with budget and timeframe limitations. There are all things that we have to take into account in day-to-day with almost all of the projects we deliver or the engagements we get brought in on. And often there can be big expectations with agile in it. You know, people have heard a lot about it and keen to operate in that way, but there can be misaligned understandings of how to apply it in reality. You know, when we look at a lot of projects and engagements with fixed timeframes, fixed budgets, fixed scope, that doesn't equal agile. And so what can we do to make it work for us and deliver the best results? I mean, ultimately, we realize and we know that there aren't endless budgets and endless programs of work. If you operate in that space, fantastic. Good luck and I hope you have a really good time. But we do have to take into account that define our engagements with our clients. So what are the organizational factors that might limit adoption of agile? And this is really where Elisa was keen to share with the audience some of those things which she has worked through in her experience in bringing agile on board and delivering successful projects. You know, public and private sector agencies are looking to agile as the new standard. You know, as its principles and the terminology becomes part of the product development vernacular. But if you wrongly apply it in environments with the inability to adapt agile, it can have detrimental effects on trust and throughput and the ultimate success of the project. So bringing on stakeholders who haven't had in-depth exposure to agile is a particular challenging government where the traditional view of rigorous, risk-averse project governance focuses on defining scope and a solution up front. So how do you build trust and confidence in the process? So some of the factors that limit adoption is around that not having a full understanding and not having been through it before. So there are opportunities to improve the understanding of agile within government at a leadership governance and procurement level, particularly at initiation, beginning with procurement. The requirement, it's often an articulation of a fixed deliverable or fixed deliverables. Example, in this timeframe for this budget, you'll get this. But this approach isn't aligned with agile or the broader innovation methodologies which involve discovery, data analysis, feature prioritisation and feasibility assessments to determine features and then plot a roadmap out for their release. So it'd be great to change the conversation to value from deliverables to value. What will deliver the greatest value without getting locked into solutions at the initiation stage? They're the conversations which Alisa had focused on getting through and working with. VCAT are quite mature with agile now so that they're quite successful across a number of projects and programmes of work right through the organisation. And so in the traditional view, agile is sometimes equated with a lack of rigor being perceived as too loosely defined. But conversely, what we have is actually quite rigorous processes so that we get to, in the product sense, release early and released often so that we get to see the delivery of the project and the features take shape as we go. And that's what builds trust and confidence in the process. So a lot of people are asking, what are the benefits of adopting it? What are the benefits of running programmes and projects utilising these methodologies? And as I said, because of its transparency and values-driven analysis and emphasising time boxing work to deliver proofs of concepts or MVPs, we mitigate those risks which are concerns and people have been concerned with up front and concerns around time blowouts, budget blowouts, these kind of things that it enables you to deliver better services at pace and that's something which particularly now the government is keen to achieve. And many organisations are keen to achieve with COVID impacts on business and having to change, pivot and deliver new services or services in new ways and do those quickly. And so putting the time in up front to understand value creation we're mitigating those risks of not delivering those transformative outcomes that we're hoping for at the start of the project. So how do we apply it? A large part of the success that Elisa and the VCAT team went through to get buy-in for this project was educating their stakeholders. There's a lot of education and work which went on to support the organisation, the stakeholders and write through the organisation to understand the agile methods so that they're adopted and through the continual demonstration of their vision the value that they're delivering and progress then throughout delivery they could see the trust in the process which we're constantly showcasing, playing back progress reports so that they could understand it and build the trust and confidence in the project's design delivery and then ultimately what was going to be released and then continually released thereafter. So then we get into some of the nitty-gritty about how we do it how do we operate in this way to deliver projects. Then in the context of this particular piece of work between Doghouse and VCAT which is common for a number of engagements it's where integrated as part of a project delivery team so that we have Doghouse team members working together in a larger product team alongside VCAT's subject matter experts, business analysts, program leads, delivery leads so we're integrated within and form one large delivery team and so that we have the trust to work together we utilise things like radical transparency and it's just about being open and honest and we know we're usually working to a fixed top line spend so we have an open and shared view of the burn down or spend of that budget we're not hiding any numbers or waiting for end of sprint time reports end of month invoicing to know who's been working on what for how long and we're integrated into that project team to get the best results and that openness and honesty is a huge part of that and so the team needs to understand what all those expectations are we have clear expectations set so that between vendor and client we know how each other is engaged and what the premise of the commercial agreement is so from a delivery team point of view from a vendor to technology provider point of view the development team needs to know and understand that their whole days are being bought by the client as part of this relationship the whole sprints are being bought so that if they need to spend some time brushing up their skills or their knowledge on a particular framework that they might not have used recently that time that they might spend in the morning getting back up to speed on some view JS that goes against the project it's that they understand how the team's time has been procured and what that relationship is and we're embedded so that the client we're buying sprints of our time together and we're delivering throughput so people are sick or they have time off we manage the impact to the project velocity and we make up the missing days and we have through that we get trust and it's trust that it trust creates trust so that the vendor in VCAT and the client trust the delivery team that they've engaged to deliver the value and then they need to know and they trust that they need to understand that features will come but we need X number of sprints to build velocity to get there so then once we start getting to that velocity we can see that there's progress being made and that can be shared through the organization a little insight into how we do some of that is through sharing it's pretty old, pretty simple but this isn't just time tracking from within the doghouse team it's open and shared with VCAT so day to day I can have a live view of expenditure and burn down what are we planning to spend per sprint per day and what are we actually spending what are we actually consuming in terms of that burn down of that budget who is away and what days so where do we make up time and through that what are the results so you get efficiency when you collaborate together and work in this manner we get the tailored outcome of a product which is ultimately suited because it's been released early and often and the whole organization have been able to see it take shape and you end up with ultimately the most business value so the product, the site took over two years to deliver from start to finish, from VCAT's point of view from design through to delivery the website component, the transformation of the website took approximately about nine months and as you can see some of this information from Alisa or VCAT they're very happy with what they've received through that delivery it's given their customers a simpler a simpler, faster self-service experience their customers are able to find what they're looking for a lot more easily they're reducing the volumes on their call centres and through this through the course of this engagement we were hit with the changes of the working relationship through COVID and having working on site with the integrated VCAT team to being dispersed and everybody working remotely and not only that the huge impact that VCAT received in having all of their cases now heard online and the site, the new site that they've launched has been able to support that and provide their customers with much better ways of finding the information they require for their trials and reducing the volumes through to the call centre at the same time has been quite an amazing thing to deliver so with that let's say thank you for your time and Jeff, if there's any further comments or feedback that have come through anyone's got any that are welcome to come forward? Yeah, we've got a question from John about how do you tightly control scope so you don't add any more value than you really need and therefore control expenditure and meet expectations? It is a very good question, a very good point because we're trying to seek it through this style of engagement seeking to deliver as much scope and value as we can we are over the course of a project which might take say nine months in this case like I said we take a few sprints to get up and running and we can start to see what kind of throughput we can get it really takes probably at least four sprints before you start to see what your value is and you need to understand what scope is achievable and ultimately we know we're not going to be re-engaged if we can't deliver an ultimate deliverable of a high functioning, very usable website covering a lot of the features which were agreed up front but not contracted so the contract is for time and for time and for the team so how not to deliver too much scope it's really key for your top project management BA and probably top technical team to understand the efforts in the key features and particularly with a product owner to prioritise the key features that are going to be absolutely required and then what might make up an MVP in this context and anything beyond that sort of our benefits over and above so real prioritisation of your key features would be the big thing there Well we're running close to time now well thank you very much for that talk David that was really interesting and I think relevant as most government agencies and departments are now in some form or another going down that path with Agile some are more advanced some are still learning but I think it's really eliminating talk and really good to keep that discussion going between the government arena Thanks again Thanks everyone