And so we got through the challenge for the 12th Wiki Tree Challenge of 2022 and of course our guest star was Hugo award-winning fantasy and science fiction author Lois McMaster B. Jold. And I know we definitely had some fans in the crowd that were going back and forth between reading books and doing some research. Good for them. Yeah, and I'm sure you're ready to see what we found now. One person you were interested in knowing more about was your paternal grandmother, and that was Pearl Margaret Beaver McMaster. Yeah, about whom I heard nothing in my childhood because she died in like 1916 or 18. Yeah, really young. She married Charles Royal McMaster, I love his name, and he did go by Royal, not Charles. So she had first appeared in a census in 1900. She was about 15. She was attending school in South Huntington, Pennsylvania. Her father, 39, worked as a stone cutter and paid a mortgage on their home. Her mother was also 39, took care of the home and family. She had bore 10 children, but only five were living. So, you know, that has just had to have been tragic for her mother. Oh, yeah. The death, the kids death information on 19th century and earlier by genealogy stuff is just heartbreaking. Yeah, it really is. And it was so much more common then. Her siblings, John, Howard, Clarence and Helen were in the home. Now the following year when she was just 16, her father died of grip, which is a flu like symptoms. You know, and that was what they called it a lot of times when people died of the flu and they really didn't know what else to say about it. And so Pearl and three of her siblings took jobs to pay the bills. She worked as a sales lady, John and Howard worked as contractors and 15 year old Clarence apprenticed as a painter after school. She was only her sister Helen 13 at the time attended school and didn't hold a job. They'd also taken in a border as stenographer named Wallace. And there's actually no house that remains. This is the lot on the left there that Pearl had lived in with her parents and the home is no longer there. So not only was she not around to make memories, you know, and tell her story and her father's story who died young. The house that used to be there is not there anymore. Now at the, at the age of 27, of course, we said she married Charles Royal McMaster. They lived in West Newton, Pennsylvania, where he worked as a shipping clerk for the electrical company. Okay. Later. Yeah, he worked at Westinghouse for a long time. Robert was born a year later just two days after their first wedding anniversary. Okay. And then they were blessed with a daughter two years later. So of course here we have Robert Charles McMaster certificate of birth and we have the application for that marriage license. Okay. Yeah, they actually did a pretty nice job, you know, gathering a lot of information from it. Now, of course, there wasn't a whole lot else to find on her. She died at the age of 30 from an infection she gained after childbirth. So just, yeah, just 16 days after her daughter was born. Her brother in law, Arthur McMaster and his wife, Matilda took Pearl in. And then a little six year old Robert moved in with his mother. So royal took Robert with him, but you know, it's understandable that a female baby, you know, especially an infant, he would give to somebody that has a woman in the home. Yeah, take care of them. Excuse me. The children are reunited reunited finally by 1930. So they were both living with their father and their grandmother in Wilkinsburg by 1930. Okay. Now, again, the name of the person who took a full in. That would be Arthur McMaster and his wife Matilda. And I knew Arthur's name, but I'd never heard Matilda. That's a new one. And that's pretty close, you know. And then royal lived on for another 53 years, never remarrying that we could see. We didn't see any kind of another marriage certificate. That is correct, yeah. Yeah. Lived long enough for me to meet him. So he died when I was a teenager. So here's an ancestor that you knew about, but you expressed interest and whether the line was proven. So, you know, of course, Rebecca town nurse is known. Her name is known by a lot of people that have researched history around Salem. And, you know, following the line though to see if it's a proven line was is, you know, was what we did one of the things that we do instead of just going, oh yeah, that sounds right. Yeah, I got it. So we're going to step back through until we get to her and to do this. We went back to your great grandparents on the Thayer line, and that Samuel LinkedIn Jiro and his wife Laura Eta there Jiro. Now we know he attended Dartmouth College and then seminary school. He was ordained after his first marriage to Lucy Merriam, and he enlisted in the 14th New Hampshire in infantry during the Civil War. His wife Lucy died of course he remarried to your great grandmother Laura there. He had Samuel had one child with Lucy a daughter named Mary Clementine with a second wife Laura he had seven children. So that information in the Gerald genealogy which he compiled, incidentally, so it was pretty cool. Yeah, cheers. And then here, yes, he saw the importance of preserving our history and putting that scrapbook together, you know, which also contain the town's history. And I know he had called out to the town's members, you know, to add their own information of that and you know just stressing how much history was important. There's a picture of him in the Civil War years. Yeah, we'll send these to you just in case you don't have any and we tried to put the pictures in there that we can find so No, I don't have all of them. No, I don't have any of those. And he and Laura lived out long lives. He died at the age of 71 her at the age of 88. Six of their joint children survived them as did Samuel's daughter that he'd have with Lucy. One daughter he had lost at the tender age of 15 days. So, once again, those baby deaths are so sad. From there we go through Laura's parents, Warren and Pramilia there. He was a successful farmer and a deacon. She was said to be a devout and praised mother and wife. She had eight children all raised in New Hampshire. Laura lived at the age of 77, Warren to 92. And I thought it was really cool, you know, that we actually found those comments that were saying what a wonderful person the wife was, because generally you just hear about the men, you know, and what they do. And then that square is Pramilia sampler that's a sampler that she crossed it. So, I thought that was really cool. Yeah. The Gerald family and the New Englanders generally kept way more records than any other quadrant of the family. Yeah. So, from then we go on and now we're moving to Pramilia's grandparents Philip Nurse and Anna Putman. These connections were easily proven. The records in Salem, Massachusetts were really easy to find, you know, but Massachusetts as a whole, generally has a pretty good grasp of, you know, maintaining their records. They haven't lost them like some of the states where, you know, whole sections of records are gone. Now Philip had initially married his second cousin Sarah Putnam and had four children with her. And then when she died, he married her sister Anne and had five children with her. Okay. So, another big family. Open that way. Then we go to past Philip's parents, Francis and Eunice Putnam. And for that generation, they spelled it Norse instead of nurse. We didn't see it both ways in those older records. They had nine children. There were more records about the woman who was judicially murdered in Salem. Continue. Yeah. We did find both spellings. It's also noted that there was a third spelling in Massachusetts and they did notate in their records and USS. So you were supposed to look at all three spellings in order to find the records. Yep. And I know you know all about her, but other people that watch your interview may not know all of it. And her early life was remarkable only by the journey that her family made to settle early in New England. They had most likely arrived in 1639. She married John Nurse about 1644 in Salem. And it said they had eight children with the last being born in 1666. And then it wasn't until 26 years later that a group of young girls accused several of the local women of witchcraft. And for those that don't know a wave of hysteria spread through the Colonial Massachusetts. And a special court was convened to hear the cases of more than 150 men, women and children. And Rebecca was actually one of the first of those implicated. Yeah, there's some interesting articles on Wikipedia for the most readily accessible descriptions of what went on, which I have read in the past is pretty, pretty awful. It really is. You know, and I didn't realize she was, you know, until we looked into it more that she was so far past childbearing age so it's not even like, you know, one of the young middle-aged women that were gossiping and, you know, finding little things to pick at each other.  Everybody liked her, obviously, except for those few people.  Really horrific. One of the things I'd read about her before I was sure of the connection, which you have just proved. Thank you. Now I have kind of an ancestor to brag about. Ancestors who were hanged as highwaymen. But anyway, yeah, one of the things said about her was that she was deaf when she was tried rather deaf and couldn't really hear what was going on. So she did not make good responses. Yeah, and she seemed a little confused, you know, and of course being up in our olden years that may have just been that just age also. She didn't seem to understand who these people were and why these charges were being taken seriously. Now, before we move on to the next ancestor, though, we're going to take a look at some of the parties involved. And this was interesting. So Sarah Biber was one that, of course, accused many people of witchcraft and said she knew all details about their spells to raise the devil. And one of those people she accused was Rebecca. So to counteract that Rebecca's sister, Sarah testified that she watched Sarah Biber prick herself with pans from her clothes and then say Rebecca had harmed her. So even with a witness saying that she'd seen Sarah do this to herself, it didn't help two of her daughters and a son of law also testified on her behalf. Now, when the restaurant was written out, it was said that Rebecca committed much hurt and injury to the body of and cut them. The Lauren against her is what you see on the left. And of course, there was no real proof that she had harmed and in any way either and poor Rebecca was just still confused about the whole thing. And then the final person on the list. This one's of interest to you is Joseph Hutchinson. And he was one of the first accusers of Rebecca and the other women that the initial warrants were out and of course he sat on that special court that was convened. So to go back to the proven lines where we were at Philip nurse and his wife Anna Putman.  And she was the granddaughter of Joseph Hutchinson. So he's also an eighth grade grandfather of yours on the fair line.  Okay. But I know. And you know, it's funny how that there just the descendants wind up marrying and making those connections and later on we're like, Oh, wow, we got people on both sides. I had one of the judges and I had one of the supposed witches so yeah. So that's very Joe we never heard about him and the family tracking. Yeah, we had to do some careful tracking to double check the connection for that and it was it was true. And of course she threw herself at the mercy of the court and she was executed anyways. And you know it was almost 20 years before her name was cleared and it was accepted that she was innocent. Yeah, but there were just so many of them. Yeah, it was it was a not so it thing. Anyway, more. We have more we have another really interesting one and this is one of your a little bit closer fifth grade grandmothers and a wirebacker Hannah and her sister Elizabeth.  And then to her mother, Jane, and it goes finally from Jane to her father Daniel and out to Anna wirebacker so she's still out there. But you know she's she's mostly off that maternal line that comes from Lord Gerald. Anna and Elizabeth wirebacker were two of the. There were at least seven children born to Johannes wirebacker and Anna Catherine the best wirebacker. And they moved to Northumberland Pennsylvania in 1775 and what them was part of the frontier. They had a quiet life in Buffalo Township pending to their small farm with its two horses and three cows. Times were turbulent for all of those during the American Revolution so to add to the tension. The rock one nations had sided with the British and didn't welcome those that were on the frontier that were fighting for a new country. So as Anne's family had heard of an impending slaughter there was a rumor going around. They joined the others and what was later said to be, you can only call it a stampede of families, where people had just grabbed up what they could carry and they were all wildly fleeing the valley they just were sure the Indians, you know the Native Americans were going to come in and and slaughter them. And of course it didn't happen. There were some incidents that happen, but that particular one didn't. And by late 1780 or 1781 her family had moved back to Buffalo Valley to farm. That little particular area of Buffalo Township is among the oldest settlements in Butler County. So before the reorganization in 1854 it was one of the largest townships in the county, being nearly nine miles in length and eight miles in width. Some part of the township being heavily timbered was considered the most desirable and the agriculture thrive there so the sketch that you see there's also there's actually several of these that are from that township in that era. I don't know whose houses, you know which houses whose, but these were sketches that were done at the time. And so in 1781 while most of the family was out working the farm, Anna and her sister Elizabeth had stayed back behind. They were 14 and 16 so they may have been doing other tasks you know, cooking, washing clothes, whatever it is that needed to be done by young girls at that time. But the turbulent times were not quite over and the girls were seized by the natives that had raided the farm. They set fire to the cabin before they left taking both of the young girls with them. And the fire consequently was the first thing that was noticed they wouldn't have noticed so soon that the girls were gone if they wouldn't have seen the smoke rising from the house. But they got back too late to stop them. Now Anna escaped a few days later and made her way back to her family but her sister wasn't with her when she arrived. And so the initial tales of the abduction all stated that Elizabeth was never heard of afterwards. But in fact her father had located her after the war was over and it was interesting you know he had heard a rumor that you know this tribe had two young ladies, white young girls in their midst after the war was over. And him and some of the other dads that also had daughters missing you know decided to go travel out there and look for them. And they made the journey and they got out there and of course there is you know one of the girls that stayed back with the Native Americans was his daughter Elizabeth. And he had talked to her and said you know I want to bring you home well this is several years after she's already been there. And they told her that you know if if these men come and they actually take you girls back home I'm telling you that they will be slaughtered on their own home, they will not be allowed to live. They cannot take what is ours. And so what the lore is, is that she said, you know, I don't want anything to happen to you father. So I'm just going to stay and just know that I'm safe. And she actually wound up becoming the wife of the chief, the mother of a large family, and she lived beyond the age of 80, and she just stayed there. That is captives not wanting to go back is not an uncommon story you hear it repeatedly in these kinds of incidents from the period. So it's a complicated, complicated times. Yeah, emotionally and otherwise. Yeah, and especially after seven years you know and if they're not actually captive by that time they're just actively living in that community. You have to stop and think how much did they accept that as now being their home. And you have to think about, you know, what did they come from and was it really all that much better for some of these women, the lives that they were leading within their families. Life on the frontier was not easy, you know, for for any of them for the men out trying to work the farm for the women that are out trying to help the men work the farm and, you know, raise the family. Yes, the work is incredible. Yeah, these are the headstones for Adam and I'll send you a better picture of it and also for Anna. They had at least four children they raised them all their Butler township. And now, after everything that happened with that, she had tragedy later in life and I just feel for this woman and her family, you know, it was just seems like it was several things that really set them back. Her and Adam had had a set of twins.  Well they got to the creek and went to cross it and Anna's horse slipped and her and baby Anna went into the creek. So, yeah, so Adam was able to hang on to little Adam, you know, and get him out of the creek to safety but he couldn't do that and save his wife. And so, Anna and the four year old Anna both perished in the creek. So many drownings. People were not taught to swim back then. I don't know if it's just that right. I know and you don't know I mean if it's just was she not swimming, you know, did she get knocked into the rocks I mean you just have no way and no one but there's no way he could have held the baby and kept him safe and still, you know, pulled the wife out. But she was only 27 when she died, so he was eventually buried next to her in the night ex-cemitry and Haynes township. So, here we have another one, another set of eight great grandparents for you and this is Henry Adams and his wife, Edith Squire. They are eight great grandparents through your Geraldine. Now, this is going way back there so Henry and Edith married in 1609 in Charlton Mackerel, Somerset, England. He was a distiller of spirits and a farmer. They arrived in New England. Yeah. You had a distiller. Yeah. They arrived in New England in 1638. They traveled with seven sons and a daughter, and then another son that was adult, sailed and joined them later. And they were actually one of the earliest settling families of Mount Wallace in Massachusetts. Okay. They say he was known popularly as the founder of New England because of his extraordinary number of grandchildren. There were 89 of them. Good heavens. A lot of people were an ancestor then. Right. Definitely some big families. I couldn't keep track of 89 grandchildren. I just don't know what I would do. He had his large family for settling near the coast and so they wound up staying in Braintree, Massachusetts, which is now known as Quincy. He died on the 6th of October, 1646 and was buried on the 8th of October. His will is dated in 1646 and was proved in June of 1647. And it mentions his wife, Edith and all but the three oldest children. They had nine children and all. So he had probably given stuff to those, you know, the older children when they had moved out already. But a monument was erected by his grave by his descendant, John Adams, the second president of the United States. Good heavens. And it's inscribed as follows. In memory of Henry Adams, who took his flight from the Dragon persecution in Devonshire and alighted with eight sons near Mount Wollaston. One of the sons returned to England and after taking time to explore the country, four removed to Medfield and the neighboring towns to Chelmsford. Only one Joseph who lies here, his left hand remained here, who was an original proprietor in the township of Braintree incorporated in 1639. This stone and several others have been placed by a great great grandson from a veneration of the piety humility simplicity, prudence patients temperance, frugality industry and perseverance of his ancestors. In hopes of recommending an imitation of their virtues for posterity. Hmm. People track their ancestors in that quadrants. They really did. Yeah. So see, you have some several very well known ones that you maybe haven't heard about because, you know, so much has been done on the Geraldine, but maybe not on the others. Now we know it's not just. The women's life is kind of get lost in the shuffle. Go ahead. Yeah, we know that men brave the frontier and face hardships but you know Edith raised those nine children while caring for the home in a new country, and except for a sister that migrated Edith had to help build and support a new home with no family around them. She continued to tend to the family and the land for five years on her own after Henry's death. Finally remarrying to John Fessel. Edith lived to the age of 84. John lived for another four years. He actually died at the hands of the Wapanoa tribe during a raid. He was 101 years old. Oh my God. I know. I said to my husband I said, how old was he going to be if they didn't come in and kill him at age 101. 102 maybe. 110 he might have walked around for another nine years. I don't know. That was pretty incredible though. And just the fact that the wife made it you know so long and so long on her own because I know not only do the women's stories get shuffled to the side but of course the women weren't weren't thought to be able to take care of themselves. And you know, yeah, take care of a home and the family and she obviously did just fine until somebody convinced her that marrying would be good. But yeah, she had to have been a really strong woman.  Yeah, there's more. Yeah, you had you had a lot of incredible ones. Now this one after touching briefly on an ancestor that was a distiller. I just wanted to make a nod to Johannes S. John Bieber, which is alternately of course Bell beaver. He was one of your fourth great grandfathers. And so we followed your father's side of the tree to get to the final job we went through his mother Pearl Margaret beaver McMaster. And to john H beaver on the john as an H beaver or beaver. He spelled it both ways. Then to his father DeWalt beaver. And I noticed that those were some pretty popular common names so there were a lot of johns and there were a number of DeWalt sprinkled that sprinkled in there. Okay, making sure you've got the right one must be a challenge for you. Yeah, yeah and you know then you're hoping they list the wives because because so many johns and john as it was just it was a lot. Now john was one of the 12 children born to DeWalt beaver and civilians time runner beaver. Once out on his own john married and bought some land farm. He started with a simple 150 acres he had two horses, three cows and four sheep. His wife Susanna died before 1799. As he married a second time. Now he and his wife Catherine had six children. And he now had increased his property that he and he owned 237 acres of land. Any kids you would need that much land. I know you definitely would. Yeah and you'd need the cows and the you know the milk and the chickens for the eggs and everything just to feed him. So, john continued to live a quiet life in Maxitani. He paid his taxes he served on a jury and he even signed a petition supporting his friend, john camps petition to run an in in his home. And it wasn't until john's probate file that we got further details. He had john had 10 children and all the exact amount of his siblings. His real estate in 1846 was valued at $13,411, which was quite a bit of money back then, you know, he also, this was interesting five beehives. You don't see a lot of mention of beehives back, you know, in the day but people had to have them. They got sweets. It was an excellent food source. And then additionally, he had a copper barrel kettle, which was found in his belongings which was generally used for distilling spirits. So, you know, it begs the question did he produce spirits for that friend john camps and did he sell spirits to help support his family. I will never know that unless a descendant comes forward with a family tale or some family lore. But what we do know is he was a successful farmer who cared for his family until the end and beyond. And then you have many ancestors and relatives that served in the military and here are just a few that served in the civil war and I'm sure you've seen a lot of these, but we definitely like to three know about three beyond that I know nothing so continue. And you know and if you were looking at might not be direct either but we really like to recognize and acknowledge our veterans. Your great grandfather Samuel LinkedIn Gerald serving company G of the 14th New Hampshire infantry. And it looks like his last rank was Sergeant. Your second great grandmother's brother, Gowan Drummond serving company E of the 206 Pennsylvania volunteer inventory. Your second great grandmother's other brother, andronic has drum and served in company F 206 regiment Pennsylvania infantry from 1861 to 1865. And then three of your great grandmother Laura at a fairs brother served in various units. So William McClure there served in company a of the 117th New York infantry. Leonard Edward there served as a Sergeant and company K of the 96th New York infantry. And then hire him or cut there served in company a of the New York infantry and he died from wounds five weeks after mastering in. Yeah, I think I saw about the 14th, New Hampshire 14th was about twice as many people with man died of disease than of wounds. It's kind of interesting statistic. Yeah, that is even Martin experiences as a doctor carry on. Yeah, well yeah and conditions and medical care and you know just such a combination of things back then. Now your second great grandfather Lawrence airs nephew Charles Edward Tupper serving company G of the second Vermont infantry. He died in a regimental hospital in 1861 from pipe late fever. Yep, taking a lot of them. And if you have your third great grandmother Jane Hennings served during the Civil War in the 138th Pennsylvania infantry so you had a lot of Pennsylvanian ones. And he died in 1863 age 28 in Locust Grove during the mine run campaign which was an unsuccessful attempt of the Union Army of the Potomac to defeat the Confederate army of northern Virginia. So definitely want to thank them all for their service and anyone that we have missed on this tree. Now I'm lucky tree we're all cousins by blood or marriage once we're connected to the global tree. You know we can check on anybody and see how many steps it is to or you know whether you're a direct cousin to somebody. And right now there are 26,284,283 people connected. So we're just going to take a look at a couple of you tree over here they're not necessarily to me well if I'm on waking tree we're connected. Now you asked about John Locke the philosopher. He's a cousin but it's quite a stretch. So John is your ninth cousin 11 times removed. At that point it is. Yeah, it really is. In the family somebody thought it was a connection so. I just think it's cool that our software will do this now you know it just it'll look so far back for a connection. I have I'm very vague on how cousins and cousins removed and cousins a number numbered you know actually works but probably yeah tips. Yeah, and if you do if you look on the charts on wiki tree. It'll show you every step along the way every person that's in between you and them and then you can see if it jumps online by marriage. Now this is your first cousin four times removed so not as far away. John Albie and he was interesting he was known as a Unitarian minister. He turned into a transcendental poet known for his friendship and his correspondence with Ralph Waldo Emerson, among others. He published a memoir that included his mother stories about his grandmother hold a fair Albie which is your fourth great grandmother. He described her as a large stout woman who were an immense bonnet that flared white in the front and big both silver spectacles. And he was interesting. One of the people that you know that he knew was Edison, and there's a story by daughter or granddaughter his about how he had stood there. And they did the two can type things with a string, you know trying to figure out how to make the phone work when he first came up with a concept. And you know one would yell can you hear me and the other ones like yeah I can hear you. And yeah Alexander Bell. Alexander Graham Bell. So which one was he friends with. He was friends with a with a number of Alexander Bell he was Ralph Waldo Emerson. He was friends with a lot of them. Okay. And then, and I'll send you the, I'll send you the profile on him so you can see that all is on there. Now john Adams was born 19 October 1735 and brain tree. See daughter prominent family they had five children and 10 years still born daughter and daughter and 1777. And the second president in the United States and that is john and Lois our four cousins four times room or first cousins four times removed. Okay. Yeah. That was that's new. John Steinbeck was another connection, and he of course is an American author best known for his novels the grapes are off and of mice and men. It's typical, it's typical of his focus to be on the plight of the downtrodden, and you and john are first cousins four times removed. There's also new information. So those are fun, you know, there's other people you can look at in the future, and I'll give you the instructions for it you can just say hey is this person related to me if it's on with the tree and I'll tell you if they are and how far away. For the final thing I just want to take a minute to mention a few top people during your challenge week now Karen Lois your captain and she led your research team she did an incredible job, keeping everybody motivated and going. Chris O'Connell was the top score and he added 90 profiles so 90 ancestors to your branches during that one week. We had Homer feel who was the top bounty hunter, and he found some really great information out within the leaves so you know there will be a few more things and I will send you what we have on them. And you know you can take a look of course I can never fit it all into the presentations but. Yeah, you found way more than I was expecting. So we have the McMasters. How far did you get with the McMasters. Let me bring them up. It looks like we just took it to James McMaster 1801. We didn't have enough information to see where he could have come from in Ireland. I know we saw some stuff online that where people had you know speculated that he may have come. But we couldn't find any proof on where the actual location was so we didn't get to jump the pond for the Ireland masters. Another came down through Ontario I know my father's grandfather was a stonemason. He came down to Pennsylvania after the Civil War and you know beyond that on the McMaster side I'm a little like I know my dad did some checking at one point but. Yeah, James McMaster he was born 1801 and he's the migrating ancestors is what it said. And so he married in 1830 in Ontario. So him and his wife Esther Henry were in Canada. Okay. And that would have been my grand, great grandfather's father. Where are we at here we've got my dad, Robert my grandfather Charles Royal my great grandfather was his name Marshall. So he's your second great grandfather. Okay. So yeah I was really hoping that we could find enough to hand it off to our Ireland project you know and have them take a look at it and get a little bit further. But once again we did not have a location in Ireland that we could look in and narrow it down to and so that was as far as we got with that one. Okay. So did you gain new information that was interesting Lewis. Oh, absolutely yeah the person it's the new English keep the record. I was very pleased to to get the connection with Rebecca Norse confirmed. And the John luck actually turns out to be kind of true. So that was cool. But yeah all the all the ancestors I've never heard of, you know that didn't even appear on any of the bits and pieces of trees that I had seen. Really interesting crowd and of course the John Adams connection who wouldn't. Although that's apparently not rare. And yet you figure he has a lot of descendants but I mean really your distance to him is not that far off so. Cool. A lot of writing coves in my ancestry looks like. So did. Did I get to show you this was the type script that my mother had. Okay. I'm going to read those diaries of Cynthia locked Gerald and Mark now Gerald, which have gone into the, to the Gerald family of New Hampshire and the Civil War chapbook which I set your link to. When you put this stuff up if you would put a link to the Amazon page for that book. I would appreciate it very much. Yeah, definitely. There was there was Martin's diary for 1864. Yeah I've been reading some of the diary items and it's just fascinating the amount of detail sometimes you know they only had that little bit to write in for each day. And so you know the entries were limited on what it could be. And sometimes you still really got a sense of how they felt during that era, or, you know, what was important that it happened. Yeah, it's very direct and it's very unedited. Yeah. And it builds between the lines you know you begin to see the connections and realize what must have been going on. And there's what the figure that Samuel Gerald's wartime reminiscence look like. And, oh yeah, the genealogy of familial Gerald I do not have a copy of the book itself which was it's slimmer in volume but it was online, which we found in the nice photo copy. I was hoping one of the cousins had the hardcover book to show us but I think they weren't understanding what I wanted to see. It existed at one time because I copy passed through my hands I saw that I had. I'm not sure who got it, but now that it's online everybody's got it and there's no shortage. Yeah, and one way or the other I know they all had their own copies they said, you know, but I didn't get to see whether it was a hardcover, you know, a bound book or, or a printed copy. You had a maroon cover. Very, very fascinating stuff. Well, it has been an absolute pleasure and, you know, Lois I'm sure you want to look through some of the ancestors on your tree wanted and great things about what you tree was very good and I did not peek in advance. Well, you're free to peek now you know and I do love the story space that we have and so you know not that we're making up stories but we try and like bring these ancestors back to life for you and other descendants out of the documents that we do find and so you know I hope you are able to find other really great tidbits and then I'm going to send you some PDFs on some of the stuff we did gather up for the end here. I will have to send them on to my other relatives are not plugged into this they'll be interested I think that's great and it's further down the line. Do you have any questions of me. I'm not at this time. I'll have to look over the material and, and that should be fun. Thank you so much for inviting me did this thing I have never heard of it before and would not have guessed. It's been our pleasure Lois definitely talk to you later.


A few weeks ago, I did a video where I talked about it wasn't my lipstick that you liked. It was my lip liner technique that you were in love with. And I said in that video that if you wanted me to, I would be happy to bring you some lipstick combos. And the overwhelming response was, yes, please let's do some lipstick combos. We're going to do six today and I hope that you do enjoy them. Most of them will have lip liner, lipstick and lip gloss and a few tips and tricks in there as well. Now, if you didn't see that first video, it talks all about the technique of lining your lips and how important it is for the mature woman to line her lips a certain way to make her lips look the most voluminous that she can. So I highly suggest that you go back and take a look at that video and I will link it down below, hopefully in the first pinned comment along with the rest of these products that I'm going to be talking about. As always, I do have a numbering system where we will number the products and then we will list them down in the description box so that you guys can shop that way. If you'd like to just remember the number that's next to the product. All right, first of all, we're going to talk about what I have on. I'm going to stand up for you in a second, but right now I want to tell you that I have these cute heart hoop earrings that have just a beautiful silver diamond cut on them. They're so pretty. I love them. And then I just chose to pair it up with a serpentine sterling silver necklace. Love these so much. And I love that the silver goes so well with blue. Stay tuned to the end of the video for this lippie because it will be the very last one. Let's take a look at what I have on because I think you're really going to like it. This is a very dressy, very nice summer dress. But guess what underneath it has the shorts built in. So you're not actually wearing a dress. You're wearing a romper kind of underneath the lace. I love this and I don't care who says a word about it. I went for matchy, matchy and I even wore a wedge sandal that came in blue, which I will show you fairly close up. And I even broke out my blue little satin cross body, which I absolutely love. Let me show you both of these up fairly close. I'm just going to squat down. This is such a cute person. It is small, though. And so don't try to overstuff it if you're somebody that has to have a bigger handbag. I do have several of those that are in blue on my Amazon storefront. But this one is pretty small. It does have the cross body strap that you can use if you want to have it as a cross body purse. But how cute is that with the flap over and all the gold detailing on it? Then I'm going to take off the shoe and show you the shoe. Isn't it cute? It's just got like a one or two inch wedge heel. And these are super comfortable, super easy for me to wear. And yes, now we're going to get on into that video. I want to start by recommending to you all that you do a little bit of contour on your lips, you can do that with just a grayish liner, something that will really cause a shadow underneath your lip right there. It's just going to make your lip look so much bigger. I have used the Maybelline tattoo brow and this works so well. So you just basically paint it on underneath your lip right there.  I went way underneath my lip.  Now we're just going to let that sit and dry for a minute. And then we're going to take it off and I'll show you how easy it is to get that shadow underneath.  It's going to come off fairly easy. So this is what comes off. I don't know if you can even see that or not. That comes off in your left with a little bit of stain on your lips right there. And it just works so well to give you a little bit of shadow that's going to make your pout look bigger. I do have a video all about that. OK, now we're going to get into the combos. I do want to tell you that this is a Maybelline automatic eyeliner, but it's in clear. It just creates a barrier. So if you have a lot of problems with bleeding on your lips, go ahead and get one of these. You'll really like it. Also, Sephora sells one, which I will link down below, too, so that you can grab either one. All right. So in the video where I showed you how to line your lips, I did talk about a new 90s grunge lip where we have the darkness and the overlining of the lips a little bit with that 90s look that we all wore. The lipstick was beige and the liner was brown. Well, here is a brown liner from Anastasia Beverly Hills. The name of it is cool brown. So I don't know that it's really a cool brown. It looks more like a medium kind of in between a warm and a neutral brown. But we're going to go ahead and we're going to line our lips with it and follow that same routine out of that video. And so if you haven't seen that video, you need to go back and watch it because I'm going to use that this liner routine in every single one that I do. So here we go. Now, the pretty thing about this look is we're going to go more for a little bit of color instead of the beige. We're going to adapt to a little bit of color, a little bit more modern. I absolutely love this one that is a peach color from Flower Beauty. And this one is peachy nude. You can either take this for a very darker look with the peach. By the way, I should have shown you that on my hand. So there is the peach. We're matching up with the brown. You can either go with more saturation or you can go lighter. It just depends on you. Pursue your lips together. Kind of make it a little bit of a more natural line. Better than that stark line that we used to do when we did it in the 90s. And then I'm going to take the Maybelline Lifter Gloss that I probably will be using as a topper through much of this. And all I'm going to do is I'm just going to put it right in the middle just to bring a little bit of life, a little bit more shine to the lips. Now, if you are somebody that would rather have it matte, would rather have it satin, just skip the lip gloss part and you have a beautiful lip color. So that's number one. So I took that off. And as you can see, I still have that shadow underneath my lip. Hopefully that will last through all six of these color choices. The next thing I want to show you is actually from Maybelline. And this is called Gone Grage. This is one of my very favorite lip liners because it is that really cool tone shadow that really helps outline your lips. But it just creates kind of a little bit more dimension, a little bit more depth. And you can always overline with this and really not have a problem. So I'm going to go ahead and line. Goodness, I needed one of those. Mine was almost gone, so I barely got enough out of it to do this lip. I'm going to use one of my very favorites of all time lipsticks from Mac. This is called Creme de la Femme. It does have a little bit of frost in it. It is a beautiful lipstick with a lot of color payoff, but a little bit of that frost look to it. Now, the camera does wash that out just a little bit. I wish you could see how nice and vibrant that is. And if you love vibrant lipsticks, then you definitely will love that. I'm also going to top it off with this is the Sephora Outrageous Volume Lip Gloss. And again, I'm just going to put that in the middle. What I love about this lip gloss is it does have that plumping effect, but it also has just this beautiful little reflect that you can use. And it really does pick up a lot of shine without being sticky, without being tacky. And I love these glosses, love this combo. I think it's so very pretty and it's extremely feminine. And you're going to find that most of my combos are going to lean towards being those colors that are cool tone and a little bit of springy colors with a little bit of nude in there. So I hope that you did enjoy seeing Creme de la Femme from Mac on this one. All right, with the number three combo, we are going to take the Knicks and this is in prune. I've shown this a lot on my channel. It is a burgundy that has a little bit of purple in it. And it's not for everyone. But for me, it is one of those ones that is a staple. I love wearing it. It's very cool tone, but it gives you a lot of depth. So let me go ahead and again, I will outline. I personally think this is one of those just absolutely beautiful lip liners. I wear this with peaches. I wear it with pinks. I wear it with beiges. It looks good with so many different colors. And that's what I'm going to do is I'm actually going to pair it with a beige for you so that you can see this. Now, I think this one is called. I have a hard time seeing this. OK, this one is called Purely Nude. This is a Maybelline lipstick and I'm going to pair it with this lip liner. Now it really brought that lip liner down, but it also will bring some dimension to the lipstick itself. And now I want to go ahead and put one of my favorite butter glosses on top of it. This is Nick's Butter Gloss in Tiramisu. This is a cult classic that so many people wear. And what that's going to do, I mean, I feel like that went really flat when I put it on. But what it's going to do when I put this nicks on top of it, it's going to really brighten it up. And we're going to have dimension again, brought back. Not too much, just enough to cover it and make it come to life once again. So this is the lip combo with the Purely Nude and the Nick's Butter Gloss. Lip combo number four, we're going to go completely with Rare Beauty, except for our gloss, Rare Beauty has some of the most fantastic lip liners. They're so creamy. This particular one is called Lively. Here I go. And again, this one is that automatic, which is awesome. I'm going to go ahead and line. I put this one in here for my girls that love coral lipstick. And then I'm also going to use one of their, I think these are their shine lipsticks. But again, this one is coral and this is a beautiful lipstick. It's kind of actually a bright peachy pink. So let's try this one on. That is one of those lipsticks that just feels so silky and it feels more like a balm than it does actually a lipstick. So this won't last as long, but it feels fantastic and it has a lot of yummy ingredients in it. And now I'm going to just top that with the Buxom White Russian, which is one of my favorite toppers as well. It's kind of got a little bit of reflect in it so that you can just about put it onto any lipstick and it will really just amp it up. It really doesn't need it on this particular one. But if you want to have just a little bit extra, you can put the Buxom gloss on and it will make it shine just that much more. So that one is the Rare Beauty combos with the Buxom lip gloss. Now we're on to the number five combo. And this one is East End Snob from Rimmel, beautiful color. It is kind of just your basic rosy pink, a little bit brighter. Go ahead and line it so you can see it. I hope you're noticing in each of these combos how nice it is to have that little bit of shadow to make the lips look a little bit more plump. It just really elevates everything. OK, that's the liner. Now I'm going to take Primrose from Revlon, another great lipstick company. All of these are just fantastic lipstick, lipstick company. This one will match the lip liner so well, even though that's a beautiful look and you're matching almost perfectly, we don't want to get too matchy. So what I want to suggest to you is you take something like this from Sephora Collection and this is the gloss glosses and this one is in money. This is a trichrome gloss. I'm so sorry about the jets going over top, but this is going to elevate this lippy like no other. OK, did you see the magic happen with that? Wow, I love this gloss. I've talked about it so many times on my channel. I wear it with so many things. That's like my third or fourth tube of it. It is just so pretty and it just matches just about any lipstick that you put on. OK, the last one is the most dramatic and this is called Dahlia Desire and it is from Flower Beauty. I am not going to wear a regular lip liner with this. What I'm going to do is I'm going to take that eyeliner that I talked about just about dropped my mirror, that eyeliner and I just use it for a lip liner. So nothing goes outside the line. And then I'm going to take Dahlia Desire. I love this color. It is a bright, bold, berry and I absolutely love it. So here we go. So remember, this one has to act as your liner and your lipstick. So make sure you're a little bit more careful. OK, a couple things I want to tell you that gives you a little bit of tips and tricks when we're right here and we're talking about such a bright and vibrant lipstick is that if you have a tendency to have this lipstick bleed, if it's dark, or if you have a tendency to get it on your teeth, which I do all the time, you're going to want to blot it right now. Fairly well. And then you're kind of left with a stain and then go back in and give yourself a second coat of it. And I talked about this in the other video as well. That's going to make it bulletproof for you and not have to worry about bleeding so much. I'm going to take it and I'm going to touch the center of it with the Maybelline Lifter Gloss again. This one is in Pearl once again. Finish it off. And that is the sixth one. I hope that you did enjoy seeing these. If you did, please give it a thumbs up. Tell me all about your favorite lipsticks down below in the comment section. I'd love to hear some of your favorite lip combos. These are mine and I thought they would be really great for summer. So hope you all are doing well. Please be happy, be healthy, take care of yourselves. I love you so much and I'll catch you in my next video. Goodbye, my friends.


And here comes everyone. Yeah. Weeple. Oh my goodness. I'm just fixing that. Okay. Hey. It's something. It's the 20. What is it? What is the date? It's the 22nd of January. And it's Watch Me Work and I'm SLP and we've been doing this show now for a million years. No, I'm exaggerating. But we've been doing this show for a long time. Law since maybe 09 or 10, that's not even a year. Anyway, we're back. We're here. We do what we always do. We work together and then I take questions about your work and your creative process and it's really designed to be a time for you to see you as a creative person and to respect that and honor that and lift that up and cheer it on. And we have been recently in the last, I don't know what four months, we've been embraced by the New Work Development Department and Amritha is the head of the New Work Development Department. Do you want to say anything? I would love to SLP. Thank you. Hi everyone. I'm Amritha Remanen. I'm the director of New Work Development and so happy to be with all of you and with SLP. Hey, I'm Zoe. I'm also the New Work Department. Happy to see everyone. Yay. And we're here. So Zoe, do you want to explain to people how, should they, after the 20 minute work session, should they have a question, how to ask it? Yeah. Thank you. Once our 20 minute work session is over, if you have a question, please go ahead and use the raise your hand function on Zoom and then we will make a nice little queue of questions and then we will ask you to please unmute and we'll go about it that way. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. What else? I wanted to say something. I wanted to say hi. I wanted to say, it's good to see Chris. It's good to see Ace. Ace, where you been? It's good to see you. Hi. Hi. I was like, where did these go? I'm glad to see that you're back. Okay. So without, you know, I'm going to say hi to everybody. Anybody who ever watched that show where they said hello to people back in like the 60s, we're not going to go there. We're going to go here. We're going to go into our work. Okay. For 20 minutes. Here we go. Hey. Okay. Alrighty. That's 20 minutes of work and we're back ready to take your questions about your work and your creative process. Operators are standing by. Yes. Let's go out and use your raise the hand function and we will call on you to ask a question. Mikayla, please go on mute. Howdy. Hi. Hello everyone. I'm Mikayla. This is my second time coming here. Lovely to see you all. My question is I got inspired to write a show about grief and grief is something that I haven't personally been super close to, thankfully. And so my initial concern was how do I write about something that I don't understand. And then I thought, well, I have an imagination. And I started writing a story and it's a two-hander and one of the characters is based off of one of my dear friends and that character is dead. And I find myself struggling whenever I start writing because I'm picturing my friend in my head and I'm wondering how to separate the person from the character. Right. It's a great question. How to separate the person from the character. Let me just rewind it back a little bit. So let me just see if I'm hearing you correctly. Mikayla, you were inspired to write something about grief. Is that correct? Okay. And so how exciting, you were excited and then you became concerned because you said you don't have much experience with the subject. Okay.  Not in real life. Not in real life. She's based off of a living person, but in the story she's dead. Okay. So you have trouble separating the character from the living person. I would suggest that you do not put a living person in a play as a dead person if you have no experience with grief. That's a very strong suggestion, but I don't think you're out of respect for the actual person who is living. I think we don't want to put a living person in a play or a script that's a two-hander as a dead person if we have no experience with grief. I would say choose a person, maybe a historical person who's actually dead. I just think we run the risk of being disrespectful in the worst kind of way because you're saying it all up front that you don't know. You're going into a territory where you don't know. I would just make up a character. Just make up somebody. The person is a totally made-up person. Use your imagination to fuel that made-up person. Does that do you understand? I think you're very fortunate to not have much of an understanding about grief. That's amazing. You're very fortunate. You're very fortunate to be inspired to write something about grief. Yes, you can use your imagination to get you there. For me, the sticking point is you're using a real person and you're making them dead. Yeah, it's not like this is my friend. This is my friend in this story. I created a character, a completely different name. The way that I keep envisioning this character in my head as I'm picturing and writing, it's this person, this real person. I think I did that out of the fear of I need to know what this feels like, so I need to imagine this in real life, what this experience would be. Turn up the fire on your imagination then and just start really imagine this person as different from the person you know. She lives in a different city. She looks completely different. She's from a different country. Really use your imagination to make her as different as possible from this person that you actually know. I think that is a place to start. Yeah, yeah. And you've never lost anything, Michaela. Even your phone. That's my phone before. Okay. Good. You've never lost it. You never had a pet that passed away.  That's a start. You know, that's that's a start. Okay, well, I mean, it's a wonderful thing to explore, you know, because it's a it's a very strong emotion and it's just it's a difficult emotion to wrestle with and to embrace. But I think this project is going to give you an opportunity to do that. So that's really great. Just use your imagination to make it a different, you know, you know, so you're not imagine someone you know that to serve your purposes as a writer. Thank you. Thank you. Great question. Lisa, please go ahead and unmute. Hey, Lisa, how's it going? Hey, it's going pretty well. How are you? Yay. Good, good. Hi, everybody. This question, I feel like it's not a worthy follow up to a question about how do you write grief, but guess this is a much more logistical question. But as I mentioned in our last session, that I'd started writing a play based on a real person based on a piece of creative nonfiction I had written. And I was telling somebody that and they said, Oh, great. What kind of play is it? I said, it's like a play. And like, is it two acts? And I'm going and I wanted to say because I didn't because it was kind of rude. I went to go.  I don't know where it's going to go. And then of course, that's sort of me dismissing something as I tend to do. And I started thinking like, Well, I have an idea in my head where it's going to go. But maybe do I need more of a roadmap? Maybe I should consider a roadmap. I don't normally write from outlines. I have the outline in my head and I kind of have an ABC and sometimes I go to D and sometimes I stay on C. So I guess my question is, is there an advantage to working from an outline or a structure? I haven't written a play in a long, long time since I was like 12, I think. So new territory when I write fiction, I don't feel the need for it. But since this is a new format, a new genre, should I consider it? What's the advantage? Yeah, that's a great question. The advantage is that you're going to have a map. You walk out of the house. You've got your GPS or they used to have in Los Angeles, Thomas Guide. You kind of have a sense of where you might be going. So there's nothing wrong with it. You don't have to get too detailed with it. It won't, you know, hold you back. I'm more interested in the people you hang out with. Okay, so now we've got somebody who's going like, what's it about? And you're like, I don't want to talk about it.   But, you know, because the other answer is how do we talk about our work to people who ask us weird, maybe unhelpful questions and expect us to answer them? And you're allowed to be, yeah, you're allowed to be like, well, I don't know yet. I'm just writing. Well, what's it about? I prefer to keep the lid on it, you know, water boils best when you keep the lid on, you know, unless you want to talk about it. But I find it's good to just keep quiet about things as we're writing them. I don't think an outline is bad. If you're not, if you have written fiction successfully and you haven't used an outline, an outline could be like three bullet points.  You know, think of one of your maybe favorite plays like, oh, I don't know. What's what's one of your favorite, let's think of one of your favorite plays. What's a play that you like? Or story that you like? I love Antigone, the Jean-Anne Wies. Jean-Anne Wies, Antigone. Okay, so what would the outline for that be? Like three bullet points. Right. It would be Antigone defies authority, buries your brother, pays for it. Right. That's an outline. That might be all you need. Do you know what I mean? You might want to put in a few more points in there in between, you know, to give it a little bit more structure, but that's all you need. And that could be helpful. You know, write an Antigone style outline. Three bullet points.  I live in Los Angeles. Okay, great. So I live in New York. Okay, so we're going. So here's my outline for like coming to visit you. I go outside and get in my car. I drive to Los Angeles. I get out of the car at your house. That's an outline. You know? And that's, and that's good enough. That'll get you there. Okay. I guess that's an interesting way of looking at outlines. It should work for you. You know, it's something that should be working for you, not something that adheres to some like, you know, how we should make outlines in some class or some outline school or some Roman numeral academy of outlining, you know, if it doesn't work for you, then it's not working. You know. Thank you very much for your question, Lisa. Thank you. Sharon, please don't meet yourself. Sharon. Hi, nice to meet you. Sharon. First of all, I love that this exists so much. It's my first time here.  And sometimes I like that because I love when I set out to tell story A and then story B occurs to me and C and D and E and E is so much more interesting than a. But I'm finding right now, for example, I'm trying to get a project started. And I keep going, oh no, it's this. Oh no, it's this. Oh no, it's this. And that happens to me also with projects where and I have a full draft. Every time I rewrite, it feels like I want to pursue entirely new ideas. So I, I wonder how you balance that reinvention with committing to an idea and the discipline of letting something be what you intended it to be. That's a great question, Sharon, or you could say letting something be what it intends to be. Yes, but then sometimes that gets me into trouble because I think it wants to be this now this now this now this. Then you think it wants to be something. Maybe. Yeah, we got to let it be what it is. Do you. Do you where do you live in New York, New York. Is there a place in your neighborhood where you can go walking like. Yeah, and I walk often. Great. Take your projects for a walk. What I'm saying is get it in your body. Yeah, you do you walk around and think about what you're writing, you go for walks often do you do that. Yeah, well I work in audio so I also do a lot of recording while I walk, but it's, I'll take this advice for like tomorrow, I need to go on a walk.   Once upon a time, as if you were talking to a seven year old. They still listen when they're seven. Once upon a time there was a that he did that he did that he did that he did that. And then she did this and then she does tell yourself the story a little bit of the story just tell over and over and over, like get into the groove. You need to I feel like you need to allow yourself like a like a in the olden days or there's vinyl, you know and vinyl had grooves vinyl records, right. And the grooves are made and there you can you can stay in the groove your your grooves aren't quite deep enough so they're skipping all around. So you go for a walk and talk to yourself. Get it in your body get in your body as much as possible and encourage yourself to stick with the whatever idea that seems most appealing to you when you start your walk. Okay, I really like that. And tell yourself, this is the right idea. This is one. The other ones are like, you know, have you ever seen that plant that's called like, I think it's called the mother of a million. Anyway, it's a succulent and it continues to grow with all the leaves. They have little things on them and they drop to the ground and they make other little plants, right. You have a mind like that it's amazing it's very fertile there's a lot going on, and yet you need to focus on the plant. One plant at a time. And not to worry your other plants will will flower and take root and all that. But talk to yourself. This is the right story. This is how it goes. I'm going to stick with this character. This is what she does or this is what they're doing. You know, yeah. And when you're walking, you know, try to do in this my maybe I'm not exaggerating I'm thinking just move your move your body, you know, a lot of times we sit and we're thinking we're thinking we're so amazing. Right. Okay, try that see see what it feels like to take your, your story for a while is it a play is that a novel isn't it what is it. That's a good question I usually work in radio drama, the radio drama form, but that's part of the thing also I'm like having trouble. I know it's going to be audio but I'm having trouble committing even if it's going to be a radio drama like usual or not. That's interesting. So, so it's not maybe not the group, it's the signal, you're turning the dial. You need to just lock in on the one, whatever station, I can on one station, that's the signal. Don't keep changing the signal right lock in on the station use your body to strengthen your communication with the station. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Great question. That was fun. Now I want to go for a walk. Hi, how are you? How are you doing? Well, so to me, thanks for coming. Thanks for showing up. Yes, very excited to be here. My question. I think it may be more of a spiritual question. I think it may be more of a spiritual question. But in terms of writing, I'm writing my first kind of full length since graduating school and it's been around five years. And in those five years, I've kind of worked in theater in different ways of acting, directing, producing, but I haven't kind of written and this is the first time I'm writing where I know it won't like be for sure read out loud or be produced in some way at least in like a university setting. So I'm having a hard time and I've been working on this for a few months now in writing something where I know where I don't know what's going to happen to it. And I know I, I feel like I do need to write this play, but sometimes I have these moments where I'm like, what am I doing this for? Is this ever even going to be seen? So I don't know how people kind of, you know, work with that and struggle with that and kind of push it out when you don't know what's going to happen to it. Right, right, right.  That's what happens you push it out you don't know what's going to happen to it. You become a parent and you know what's going on right. Well, you can give yourself more than half a chance. Right. Like two or three times and what you just said, you were sure that it wasn't going to get read out loud. Sorry rewind the tape. You know, start hypnotizing yourself like I'm writing this play I have to write this play. It's going to find a place it's going to find a home. Start on yourself that it's going to find some people I'm going to find some wonderful actors to read it out loud. I've got connections in this field. I've been worse since I graduated I've been working for X number of years right. I know people I know people who are going to want to read this. We have friends. You, we have to we need to recognize how much our self talk creates our day to day. Yeah, you know what I mean if I sat around going, nobody's coming to watch me work. Nobody's gonna be here. I don't know. I mean, it would be a totally different vibe right instead of like yeah people are going to come we're going to have a good time. I'm just, and we see what happens, but at least you're going to give yourself a chance. And it's hard to write or create. When you're not when you're not giving yourself a chance. I'm here because I want to give you a chance. I believe that if you write it. People are going to want to hear it. I believe that I don't even know what it's about, but you put the work in. You've got like how many years you said you were working doing stuff in theater. Right. Okay, now it's time for you to write your play. And you got to show up every day and you got to do the work and people will want to hear it. I bet you. I just know that. Okay, okay. And you tell yourself that every day, there are people who want to hear this. And I know there's at least like one person who wants to hear it and that's you. And it's worth it. It's so worth it. Mostly I write for me. I'm like, I want to hear it. Yeah. You know what I mean? And then I'm just, I'm just sort of entertaining myself and other people along the way. Sure. That's where it starts. You're entertaining yourself. You're pleasing yourself.  And when you sing your song, people want to hear it. Yeah. True. It's just true. Just take that for true.  Right. Mm hmm. Does that makes, does that make sense? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. At least a page a day. Okay. That's true. Yeah. At least a page a day. How many pages is it going to be? How long is it going to be? At 56 right now. Because I'm aiming for 90 or red summer should be 90. That's my number. I think it's great. You're more than halfway. Look at you. You can have a page a day for like, and you can be done by like, I don't know what mid-march, who's good in math, right? Mm hmm. Yeah. Okay. You can reach the end by the middle of March. The I had some marks. That was a big day for somebody. Right. Okay. And then like, yeah. And who's it for? Well, it's for us and why are you keeping us waiting? Okay. Sounds good.  Yeah. I love it. Thank you. Thank you. Great question. Thank you. Crystal. Hi, Crystal. How are you? How are you, darling? How are you doing? I'm doing all right. Not too bad. Not too bad. How's your shoulder? It's, uh, it's, it's functioning. I'm starting with light weights. And so we're on our way. We're on our way to being normal like match. Thank you. Thank you very much. So, um, I have decided to kind of put down the plate that I was working on. Just cause I'm not, I don't think it's ready to be written. Yeah, it's not ready for, for me or I'm not ready for it. The one about your elder, the elderly friend person. Yeah. Yeah. I've just, it's just, it's like wall after wall after wall. And so I said, you know what? Okay. Let's put it down for a while. Okay. So I don't know if you remember, there was another play that I was working on that I, I did put down because I remember specifically saying how like, it's very traumatic. It's very violent. It's very heavy. And you told me to write when I write to write with a candle to, to have that light with me when I write. So I do have a deadline. I have to present a new play by April or May. I think it is. I have to present something. I have to have something new. I was going to do this one. And it's, it's coming along quite well, a little scarily well in a way that it's like, wow, I don't know why this very hard material is coming out. So freely. I don't know if maybe I've just been suppressing it for so long because it's been a very long time. It's been years that I know I should have been writing it. My thing is that it's like, it's, it's a period play, I think, I think. Because it starts off out of sitting. But I'm, I'm having trouble. I don't want, I don't want to. This was something I had with the other one. I don't want to sound like stereotypical as far as like inaccurate as far as dialogue. Right. So I feel like I hear the characters very well, like, or the, the, I can feel their, their vibe, their aura. I have a good right. Right. Both women. When I'm writing, I'm like, it's, it's coming out, but I don't, I feel like I'm writing a little bit with a little bit of ignorance. Because I don't know the, the vernacular of that time that I don't necessarily know exactly which time it is exactly yet. And so I guess asking is, do I just, you know, write and write in all ignorance, just let it all out, write it all out? Or do I form like some sort of discipline in trying to, I don't know, I don't know if there's, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know. I want to be as authentic as possible. But again, like, I feel like, you know, there is a roadmap with this story. And so, like, I know where it's going to end. I know how it's going to begin. I know the middle. I know, I know the story very well.  I don't know. Yeah, no, I know the gatekeepers are, they wake up early and they go to bed late, don't they?  So I would say, for the first draft, we're talking first draft. Yeah. Right. As you said, in all ignorance, you know, so you're not going to get the rhythms of the language, right? Okay. Well, that might be what the second draft is for.   No, you do what you can to the best of your ability. You do the best you can with the tools you have. And then you do a rewrite, you know? You know, you're probably, after you write the first draft, you're probably, you know, run into somebody who is from that region and is familiar with that time period and they've got that way of talking that you say you need to become more familiar with them. Wow, they can just sit down and talk to you for an hour or so and then you get the knack of it and then maybe they read a draft later. Who knows? Things will fall into place. Right. Go ahead and just write it. You know the story, write it down. Okay. Does that feel comfortable? Does that feel like okay? Yeah, I think, well, you, we know each other a while. I can be a little hard on myself a little bit. Girl, gee, Lord have mercy.  Is that, you know, it's okay. That's okay. Okay. Yeah, say you had the vernacular down and you didn't know all the story. Well, then you were just writing all ignorance. You, so. Yeah. Okay, I can do that. Yeah, and tell yourself, I know what is it, who said that there was a beautiful quote, maybe it was Thoreau, maybe it was Emerson, I know by going where I have to go.  Yeah. Okay, respectfully. You'll, you'll make it better later. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Glad it's coming along so nicely. Yay. Thank you. Me too. And the other one will come around the other the other play will come around. Thanks. And it's, oh my God, so much time for another question from Rebecca, please unmute yourself. Hey, Rebecca. Hey. I'm good. I have an elderly cat that decided she wanted attention right at five, but I just wanted to report in that. And we had a conversation about getting ready for a opportunity to meet and I took, I took your advice and got everything ready and made sure my website was finished and created not a business card, but a postcard. Two-sided postcard that I really like. And then the person had knee surgery, so we haven't had it yet, but I'm ready. Yeah. Great. That's great. I'm glad you're ready. I'm glad you're ready. Yeah. Yeah. And I have little scripts for myself that I read occasionally so I don't, you know, there you go. Going to say. Oh, congratulations. Good for you. You know, you're putting yourself out there. It's going to, it's going to work out really beautifully. Yeah, really right. Yeah. Yeah. Yes, ma'am. Wow. There's actually an opportunity to, I don't usually submit to what I call contests, but, you know, calls for submissions that have money attached to them. But there is a reputable one that's doing a book of essays. And I thought, well, I have about 30 years of essays. Let's see what happens. Well, most of them have been published, but there's a couple that I would like to try to get published. So that's a little motivation to, to finish a couple of other things as well. Fantastic. Good for you. You're really a very hardworking writer, Rebecca. Oh, thank you. I, I try to, I try to make it happen. And, you know, I, I also have a lot of writing for work, which sometimes is really helpful and sometimes really isn't. So kind of balancing that is, is kind of my commitment to myself this year is. How do you separate the two? How do you, how do you separate the two? Well, some of it is how much research is required for the, the work writing is what frequently, you know, you know, an example is I'm, I'm trying to help an organization think about social determinants of health, which is kind of my, my work, my teaching work, but also something I understand is organizing. But it takes that takes a lot of research and I have to like, I have to set up the agreement so that it doesn't take all my time all the time. And I don't always do that, but I'm trying I'm getting clear about how much time. Some of these projects take that, you know, people are paying me to do, which is a really important thing. So it really is there are things I can write, you know, people think will take days and I can write in like three hours and it's like it's done and it's gone, but then there's other things. We won't tell them that you're so fast. Oh, I never do. No, no, no, no. That's the only way it makes it work with these other things that I love and the groups I love and I don't charge them enough so got to balance that out, but and a lot of times, the more complicated ones really inform writing projects I'm a little stuck on so. Yeah. Oh cool. So yeah. So I just wanted to check in. And I'm so happy, you know, we're having time. Thank you. That's great. Likewise. One minute. Kimmy D. Let's go. One minute. Hi, thank you. Sorry. I just want to hide as everybody in the high SLP. Could you tell me is there a way to find out if a title that you want has already been used. Titles aren't copyrighted. Oh, so I can. Okay, thank you. Call your play the grapes of wrath or Hamlet. All right. As far as I know, I mean, that's what I've been that's what I've been told titles are not subject to copyright. Thank you. Mickey Mouse's mouse. Yeah. Perfect question. It's six o'clock. I would have mercy. Are we back next week? I think we're back next week. Are we? Are we so we back? Yes. Okay, we got back next week. Yes. We're back next Monday, January 29 same time. And sending also love to howl round for hosting us. Love again to the new work development department at the public theater. Watch me work. We'll see you next week. Okay. Bye bye.