Amen, so keep your place there in John chapter 6, and we're going to look at a few verses here in a minute. But this evening, first of all, take a look at your song of the week, your hymn of the week. What I'm going to explain to you this evening, if we look at verse number 2 of the hymn of the week, I'm on the winning side. The last line in that verse that says, And my soul is on the winning side. So this is a great hymn, one of my favorite hymns, and I'm going to show you tonight that despite the conspiracy against Jesus Christ, how we can know how God achieved this fact that our soul is on the winning side. In John chapter 6, look down at verse number 64. So begin, let's begin looking at this conspiracy against Jesus Christ. I know we all like a good conspiracy. Let's look at the conspiracy tonight. Let's look at the conspiracy against the Savior in the Bible. Now Judas, Judas Iscariot, who was Judas? Judas is kind of a, has kind of a special place in my life because Judas actually as a, as a Lutheran, my hang up, my problem was that I did not believe in eternal security. Now Judas was one, is one of the, he is the child, he is the person in the Bible that the Lutheran doctrinal statements, the Lutheran theologians will point to as proof that you can lose your salvation. And one of the, the beauties of Judas for me is it is very clear in the Bible that Judas never lost his salvation. Judas was never saved in the first place. And that was one of those moments that I just knew like something's wrong here with this doctrine that I'm believing that I'm reading. So let's look down at John chapter six and let's look at the first conspirator tonight, which is Judas Iscariot, which is one of the 12 disciples. Imagine that. One of Jesus's 12 disciples was this man. Look at John chapter six in verse number 64. Let's look at, you know, the state of Judas's salvation if we want to, you know, look at it that way. But look at what the Bible says in verse number 64. Jesus says that, but there are some of you that believe not. So here, Jesus, before this statement, he was giving some real hard doctrinal statements and it was being misinterpreted. And it was a, look, it was a hard saying and it was hard for people to understand. And they didn't understand it and they were offended and many disciples left, but not the 12. The 12 state. Look at verse 64. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believe not and who should betray him. And that shows you that Judas Iscariot was, if this is talking about Judas Iscariot, which it is, it's proved in a few verses. But that shows you right there that Judas from the beginning, number one, he wasn't saved because he believed not and Jesus knew it. Jesus knew it the whole time. And he said, therefore I say unto you, no man that can come unto me except it were given unto him of my father. From that time many of his disciples went back and walked no more with him. And then Jesus said unto the 12 of Judas Iscariot, will ye also go away? Then Simon Peter answered and said, Lord, to whom shall we go? Thou hast the words of eternal life. And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the son of the living God. So this is Peter saying this, okay, you will never find a place in the scripture where Judas claims and confesses that Jesus Christ is the son of the living God. And Jesus answered them. So Peter's kind of speaking for everybody here and Jesus sort of corrects them a little bit. Jesus says I've chosen you 12, he says that one of you is a devil.  Does that sound like someone who is saved? If Jesus literally calls him the devil. He's fake of Judas Iscariot. Now who's he talking about? The Bible tells us right here. He's speaking of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for he it was who should betray him being one of the 12. So Judas never acknowledged Jesus as Lord as Peter did right here. Judas was never saved from the beginning and the Bible is super clear about this. This is not something that is confusing. Look at Matthew chapter 10. Go to Matthew chapter 10. Here's another interesting little fact. When the disciples are listed in the gospels, the disciples are listed in the gospels. They're sort of listed, you know, if you've ever noticed this, from the closest to Jesus to kind of the ones that weren't closest to Jesus. Kind of like Jesus' inner circle and then it kind of goes out from there. Look at Matthew chapter 10. Let's look at an example of this. You'll see the same thing in Mark chapter 3 and Luke chapter 6 when it lists Jesus' disciples. Now the names of the 12 apostles are these. The first Simon who is called Peter and Andrew his brother and James the son of Zebedee and John his brother. Of course, so here's, you know, Peter, Andrew, James and John. These are the kind of the inner circle around Jesus. Philip and Bartholomew, Thomas and Matthew the publican, James the son of Alphaeus and Lebeus whose surname was Thaddeus, Simon the Canaanite and who's the last one listed? Judas and Scariot who also betrayed him. Same thing with Mark chapter 3, Luke chapter 6. The inner circles always, the closest were always listed first. Now turn to John chapter 12. But look, Judas, well actually turn to John chapter 17. Turn to John chapter 17. Judas was never saved. As a matter of fact, you know, he's actually called the son of perdition in John chapter 17. Turn there real quickly. John chapter 17. There's an interesting little parallel here before we move on with the conspiracy. But look at John chapter 17. If you have a red letter Bible, these are red letters. This is Jesus speaking right here and in verse number 12, Jesus says, well I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name. And those that thou gavest me, I have kept. He's talking to God the Father and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition that the scripture might be fulfilled. Judas here is referred to as the son of perdition.   Now somebody else is called the son of perdition in the New Testament. Just one other person. Turn to 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. Let's look at who else is called the son of perdition.  This is a real live reprobate is what we're dealing with here. Look at 2 Thessalonians chapter 2. Here's proof of that. Look at 2 Thessalonians chapter 2 and look at verse number 3. The Bible says, you know, talking about the day of Christ, talking about the rapture, talking about the day that the Lord will come back and gather us all together and take us to heaven. It says, before that day it says, let no man deceive you in verse number 3 by any means, for that day shall not come except there come a falling away first and that man of sin be revealed, talking about the antichrist here, not a antichrist, the antichrist of the end times, the antichrist that is working directly for who? Satan in the end times. What does it call him? The son of perdition, the same thing that Judas was called. And I'm going to show you tonight that not only was Judas never saved, he was rejected of God, he was a reprobate, so to speak, and he is like used by Satan. He was used by Satan to, you know, betray Jesus Christ. Now go back to John chapter 12. Go back to John chapter 12. Let's look at why Judas betrayed Christ.  He was betraying Christ on his own free will. He was doing this on his own free will.  But look at John chapter 12. Judas was operating under his own free will. And look at John chapter 12, look at verse number two. There they made him a supper and Martha served, but Lazarus was one of them that sat at the table with him, then took Mary a pound of ointment of spiked nard very costly and anointed the feet of Jesus and wiped his feet with her hair and the house was filled with the odor of the ointment. Then said one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which they, which should betray him. Notice how the Bible is just super clear every single time his name comes up that he's the one that will betray Jesus. Why was not this ointment sold for 300 pence and given to the poor? This he said, not that he cared for the poor. So we don't have to infer, you know, Judas is, you know, his, his, his motives here. The Bible just tells us it says he didn't care for the poor. He was lying in verse number five. He said he was acting like he cared for the poor, but he did it. He cared for the money. He said not that he cared for the poor, but because he was a thief. And he had the bag and he bear what was, what was put there in. So Judas was the one that was, he was kind of the treasurer of Jesus's ministry. And he was stealing money. He was stealing money from the ministry of Jesus Christ. Think about that. And he's upset that this expensive ointment got put on Jesus's head to anoint Jesus. And it's because he loved money. That's why. Look, that's not the only reason people betray. Okay, I mean, there's many reasons that people out of their own free will will, will betray. You know, money, power, influence, these types of things. But look, in Judas's case, it was just money. It was money. He did not believe and he was driven by money. Now let's look at the betrayal itself. Actually, go to verse 24 of Matthew chapter 26. Go to Matthew chapter 26, Matthew chapter 26, and look at verse 24. Verse number 24. The Son of Man, just one more example of how we know that Judas was not saved. Look at verse number 24 of Matthew chapter 26 and then we'll look at the actual betrayal that Judas was involved in. Verse 24 says, the Son of Man goeth as it is written of him. But woe unto that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed. We know now this is Judas. It had been good for that man if he had not been born. Right there you know that Judas was not saved.  Judas Iscariot was never saved. He never lost his salvation. He never believed in the first place. Okay, he was the son of perdition. Now could you really say about a saved person no matter how they lived their life, if they ended up dying and going to eternal life in heaven, could you really say that it would be better if they were not born? You couldn't, right? I mean that's not something that you would say about somebody who was saved. Even somebody who didn't live a good Christian life, at least they're in heaven. You know at least they got eternal life. But he'd been better for Judas Iscariot if he had never been born, because the guy's in hell. Is what Jesus is saying here. Now look at Matthew chapter 26 and look at verse number 14. Let's look at the actual betrayal itself. Here's the actual betrayal itself. And of course it was driven by again money. Look at verse 14. The Bible says in Matthew 26 and verse number 14, then one of the 12 called Judas Iscariot went unto the chief priests and said unto them, What will ye give me and I will deliver him unto you? And they covenanted with him for 30 pieces of silver. And from that time he sought opportunity to betray him. So here we have Judas going to, he sees value. He sees value in Jesus because he's hated by all these different people. But really Judas was really just kind of a tool. He was kind of a patsy so to speak in this conspiracy that we're looking at tonight. Because really if you go back in Matthew chapter 26, look at verse number two.  Look at verse number two of Matthew chapter 26, the same chapter. You know that after two days is the feast of the Passover and the Son of Man is betrayed to be crucified. That's Jesus speaking. Then look at verse number three. It says, then assembled together the chief priests and the scribes and the elders of the people. These are the religious leaders of the time that did not, again, they did not believe Jesus was who he said he was. And they consulted that they might take Jesus by subtlety and kill him. There's your conspiracy right there. So look, Judas was a tool used by the Pharisees to accomplish this goal of killing Jesus. And that is the very basis of a conspiracy right there that it was done in what? Look at verse number four, that it was done in subtlety. It was done in subtlety. It was done in secret. So let's look at the players here. We know that there's Judas who got paid to betray Jesus. Let's look at the Pharisees. Go to John chapter 11. Go to John chapter 11. So the Pharisees, we see that they used Judas. They paid Judas to sell out Jesus. But look at John chapter 11. There's a lot of evidence in the Bible that the Pharisees were conspiring for a while to get Jesus, to kill Jesus, to get rid of this guy. So in John chapter 11, it's the story of Lazarus in the Bible. Jesus raises Martha and Mary's brother Lazarus from the dead. In verse number 35, I think it's 35, but it's like the shortest verse in the Bible. Jesus was very close to these people. Jesus was very close to Mary and Martha. He was very close to Lazarus. And it says, when he saw, and this is like, I really like that verse in the Bible where it says, Jesus wept. Because what that shows just as a side note, it shows the humanity of Christ. It shows how Jesus was a man. He was God, but he was also a man. He had all the same emotions, all the same temptations, all the same feelings that people have, yet without sin, Jesus. So you say, why did he cry? You know, why did it was he upset? He knew he could raise him from the dead. He wept because he saw how sad that these people were because Lazarus was dead and he had compassion on them because he was human. He was a human being. Look at John chapter 11 and look at verse number 45. Now after he raises Lazarus from the dead, look, word gets out. Look, this guy just brought somebody back from the dead. It was a pretty big deal. Word gets out and this just shows you that many of these Pharisees, they were rejected, they were reprobates as well. They could not believe the Bible says. And the reason is, I mean, look, somebody comes to you and they say, this guy just raised somebody from the dead. Look, you have two options at that point.   Is what they said about Jesus. Look at verse 45. Then many of the Jews which came to marry and had seen the things that Jesus did, believed on him. So some people got saved. Some people got saved.  Then gathered the, so, some of the Jews saw this and just believed on Christ. They had that right attitude and they were just like, this is the Messiah. This is God. But the Pharisees, they had a counsel and they said, what do we do for this man do with many miracles? They even denied the miracles. If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him. And the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation. And one of them named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year said, unto them, you know nothing at all, nor consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, that the whole nation perish not.  And not only for that nation only, but that he also should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad. This is speaking about the Gentiles. Then from that day, this is the key verse I wanna point out, then from that day forth they took counsel together for to put him to death. Jesus therefore walked no more or openly among the Jews. So look, at this point, they're trying to kill him. And then we saw that again in Matthew 26, they're trying to kill him. But look, here's the problem, go to Matthew chapter 12. We'll look at one more example. Go to Matthew chapter 12. Jesus heals in Matthew chapter 12, Jesus heals a man's hand on the Sabbath day. In Matthew chapter 12, look at verse number 13. Matthew chapter 12, look at verse number 13. The Bible says, then sayeth he to the man, stretch forth thine hand, and he stretched it forth, and it was restored whole like as the other. Then the Pharisees went out. Again, seeing this miracle, they choose to not, look, they couldn't believe, the Bible says. They literally couldn't believe it. And that's the only thing that makes sense. They're seeing these miracles, and they went and they held a counsel against him, how they might destroy him. So you have this conspiracy of these religious leaders, the Pharisees, the Sadducees.  But look, this conspiracy gets even deeper, because even the Pharisees themselves, turn to John chapter 13, turn to John chapter 13, even the Pharisees themselves were just a tool. They were also patsies in this wider, broader conspiracy. So here's Judas, he's conspiring. His conspiracy is, I'm gonna betray Christ and I'm gonna make some money.  We are gonna lose our nation. He is going to, all the people are gonna believe him.  So look at John 13 and verse 21. This is talking about the last supper, is what we would call it. Jesus is having the Passover supper here with his disciples and he's telling them some things. Look at verse 21. Then Jesus thus said, he was troubled in spirit and testified and said, verily, verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me. Then the disciples looked on one another, doubting of whom he spake. He's talking to the 12 now. And he's saying, look, one of you is going to betray me. Now there was leaning on Jesus's bosom, one of the disciples whom Jesus loved. This was John, Simon Peter, therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.  I mean, isn't that what we would all say? Isn't that what we would all say if Jesus was there and he said, look, somebody in this room is going to betray me. We're all like, who is it? Tell us, we'll take care of business. Look at verse 26. Jesus answered and says, he it is, to whom shall I give a sop when I have dipped it? I mean, he literally tells them. He literally tells them who it is. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon. And after the sop, Satan entered into him. Then Jesus said unto him, that thou doest do quickly. Now no man at the table knew for what intent he spake this unto him. Look, this just goes to show you, like the disciples, they just couldn't believe it. They couldn't believe it. They couldn't believe it. They were just, they'd been together so long. They'd done so many things together. They just couldn't believe it. Jesus literally said, whoever I hand this to, that's who it is. And he hands it to him and he says, go do it quickly. And they're just like, they just can't believe it. They're thinking, he must be talking to him about going to buy something that he needed for the supper or something else. Because Jesus was the one that held the bag. In verse 29, it says that, for some of them thought, because Jesus had the bag, he was the treasurer, that Jesus had said unto him, buy those things that we have need of against the feast, or that he should give something to the poor. But he just, they just couldn't believe it. They couldn't believe it. But the thing is, I mean, even Paul says in Acts 20, that grievous wolves shall come in. Look, we have to understand that too. Grievous wolves will come in. Grievous wolves will come in. And look, it may be hard to believe, but it's going to happen. Going forward in any ministry, that's what's gonna happen. That's why the disciples couldn't believe it though. They just, it's a shocking thing. But look, it's like almost, you know, the most brilliant plot you could think of. You basically have three conspirators here. You have three conspirators. Who do you have? You have Judas, then you have the Pharisees, and ultimately you have Satan running the show. And Satan is controlling all of it.  But let's break down the conspiracy tonight. Let's break down the conspiracy. Now that we see all the players, let's break down the conspiracy. So a conspiracy by its very definition is basically people trying to betray you and it has to be a conspiracy because of the very nature that they do it. The subtlety of it, it has to be a conspiracy. Look, it's people that are trying to outsmart you. It's people that are trying to betray you and outsmart you. They don't just come to your face. Look, they didn't just come to Jesus' face. As a matter of fact, he said that. When they came to arrest him, he's like, why didn't you just come get me in the temple? You cowards. The problem with conspiracies and people in conspiracies is that it's always behind your back. It's never to your face. It's all very sneaky and it's in a way, they do it in this sneaky way using all these different people because they think they can get away with it. They think they can get away with it. All three conspirators here thought that they could get away with this. Look, the Pharisees, think of the complexity of this conspiracy. Go to John chapter 18. The Pharisees, they wanted, what was their goal?   Why? Because that was illegal for them to do. The Pharisees, they were not in control of this nation. They were under Roman rule. They were not allowed to put anyone to death. That's a problem. If you wanna kill somebody and you're not allowed to put somebody to death, that's a problem. So think of what they did. They used Judas to get Jesus arrested and then look at John 18. Look at John 18. They bring him before the Roman governor who's actually in charge. And Pilate went out to them in John 18. Look at verse 29. John 18, verse 29. John 18, look at verse number 29. Pilate went out to them and said, what accusation bringing against this man? Even Pilate knew that this guy didn't do anything. And they answered and said unto him, if he were not a male factor, we would not have delivered him up to thee. Oh, great. Male factor means a criminal or somebody who's done wrong. They're basically saying, just trust us. Just trust us. We wouldn't even have brought him here if he wasn't a criminal. Then said Pilate unto them, take ye him and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, it is not lawful for us to put any man to death. And it's like, whoa, they're right the way telling Pilate right here. It's like, we want him dead. We want him dead and it's not legal for us to do so. So the Pharisees are not trying to use Pontius Pilate. They're trying to use the Roman governor to do this for them. Look at John, go to John chapter 19. Go to John chapter 19. How did they do that? Pontius Pilate, he's a super powerful guy. He's in charge of Jerusalem. He's in charge of this area. And I mean, he doesn't care about the Jews. That's obvious if you read about Pontius Pilate in the Bible, he could care less about them. How did they do it? How did they use him? Because they needed him to say Jesus had to be put to death because they couldn't do it. Look at John chapter 19. Look at verse, look at verse 10 of John chapter 19. Look what the Bible says. It says in verse 10, it says, then Pilate said unto him, so Pilate is standing in front of Jesus. And he's kind of like saying to Jesus, he's like, you're in a lot of trouble here.  He's like, what's going on? He's trying to get answers out of Jesus and Jesus just isn't really talking to him at all. And he says, speakest thou not unto me? Knowest thou not that I have the power to crucify thee and have the power to release thee? He's like, you're just standing here. I'm asking you questions. Why these people brought to you? Brought you to me and you're not even talking to me?   That's what he says. And look what Jesus says to him. Thou couldst have no power at all against me, except it were given to thee from above, therefore that he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin. There's a whole sermon right there too on how all sin is not equal. What he's saying is these Pharisees, these Jewish leaders that brought you to me is like, they're in real trouble. He's not saying, you're not sinning. He's like, but they're in real trouble for this. Now look at verse number 12. And from thence forth, Pilate sought to release him. So Pilate's like, this guy's innocent. So you're like, how did Jesus end up getting crucified? But look at the next verse. But the Jews cried out saying, if thou let this man go, thou art not Caesar's friend. Uh-oh. Whatsoever maketh him a king, speaketh against Caesar. They accused Pontius Pilate of treason if they let Jesus go. They used Pontius Pilate's care for his political standing, his position. They threatened him. They threatened him.  And you're not the friend of Caesar. They used him by saying thou art not Caesar's friend. But one thing about Pilate is he's the only one that was up front. At least he was straight in Jesus' face. He's just like crucify him. You know, he wasn't running around conspiring. He was the Pharisees that conspired. It was Judas that conspired.  The lords anointed. But it's best not to conspire against God. So you have this wide conspiracy that the Pharisees must have been thinking, like, we got him. We've done it. We got him arrested.  He, he's, it's just not worth it. Pilate's not gonna stick his neck out for this guy. He's not gonna risk his position and his power for some guy that he thinks is just some troublemaker. No, he's gonna make this problem go away. So he agrees to crucify Jesus Christ. Now, keep in mind that this conspiracy, this was all the free will of the Pharisees. This was all the free will of Pontius Pilate. This was all the free will of Judas, hatching this huge conspiracy against Jesus Christ. Now, you know what, you know what 4D Chess is? 4D Chess is this saying. Everyone's like, oh, that's 4D Chess. 4D Chess is when I can win a game of chess. I'm not saying I play 4D Chess. But I'm saying 4D Chess, that saying of 4D Chess, means I could win a game of chess against you by making moves, anticipating moves before you even make them. That's what, that's what this saying 4D Chess is. It's, it's political maneuvering.  And God is playing 4D Chess with the conspiracy against Jesus Christ. Because I, I could literally, if I literally knew the moves that you were gonna make when I was playing chess against you, I could put all, I could anticipate all your actions. I could put all my pieces in place. And when you moved into those places before you even moved them, I would know where you would be. And I would be able to take you down in that game. Turn to Zechariah chapter 11. That's what God did here with this conspiracy. Look at Zechariah chapter 11. All these people planning this conspiracy, planning all this subtlety, thinking that they were outsmarting Jesus, thinking that they were outsmarting the disciples, thinking that they were outsmarting, you know, Jesus's ministry. All of them were playing directly into the hands of what God knew would happen of God's plan. Look at Zechariah chapter 11 and verse number 12. There's a lot of prophecy on this. I'll just give you one example of what this, what I'm talking about. Look at Zechariah chapter 11 and verse number 12. The Bible says, and this isn't the Old Testament. This is an Old Testament prophecy of what would happen. And I said unto them, if ye think good, give me my price and if not forbear. So they weighed for my price 30 pieces of silver. And the Lord said unto me, cast it unto the potter, a goodly price that I was priced out of them. And I took the 30 pieces of silver and cast them to the potter in the house of the Lord. What in the world? You can imagine if that's all you had of the conspiracy before Jesus came, that you might not know exactly, that's kind of a glass darkly. We're looking at those verses right there. But now turn to Matthew chapter 27. Turn to Matthew chapter 27. Look at Matthew chapter 27 and look at verse number three. So here we see that in Zechariah chapter 11, you know, hundreds of years before Jesus comes, we see this kind of obscure prophecy about this potter, about these 30 pieces of silver. Like what is this all about? Look at Matthew chapter 27. Look at verse number three. Now we already know that 30 pieces of silver was the price that Judas received from the Pharisees. Look at verse number three of Matthew 27. Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself. Now this is the funny thing, because to me, reading the Bible, if you were gonna make any argument for Judas, you would argue that he got saved at the end of his life and not at the beginning, according to the Bible. I mean, he didn't, I'll show you that in a minute. But the point is, is that to argue that Judas lost his salvation, you know, like he was saved at the beginning, there's no argument for that. But at least people could, you know, misrepresent what repent means here and at least make an argument for that. That's not the doctrine that they take. But Judas, when he had betrayed him, he saw that he was condemned, repented himself. That just means he changed his mind. Repented himself, what? The Bible tells us what he changed his mind about here. It doesn't say he repented himself and believed on the Lord Jesus Christ. That's not what it says. Look what it says. And he brought again 30 pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders. He brought the money back. He brought the money back to them, saying, I've sinned and I've betrayed the innocent blood. And Judas, all he said here was I betrayed somebody that was innocent. He didn't say Jesus was Lord or that he believed on him. And they said, what is that to us? See it out to that. They're like, we don't care. We've got what we wanted, keep your money. But he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed and he went and hanged himself. He went and killed himself. And the chief priests took the silver pieces and said it is not lawful for to put them into the treasury because it is the price of blood. And they took counsel and bought with them the potter's field to bury strangers in. Wherefore that field was called the field of blood until this day. Completely fulfilling Zechariah chapter 11 verses 11 and 12. This, look, there's many prophecies of Christ betrayal but this is just one example of how all these people that were conspiring against Christ were just playing right into what God knew would happen. This is the genius of God's plan. Is that he used the free will of man, all these pawns, the Pharisees, Judas and ultimately even Satan himself to play directly into God's plan. God used Satan to defeat Satan. Think about that. Think about the genius of that. It shows us that as brilliant as Satan seems sometimes to us because sometimes I look at the things going on in this world and the things that people believe in the things that people are falling into. I'm just like, Satan is brilliant.  But it shows you that no matter how brilliant that we think Satan is and as much control as he seems to have over this present world that we will always be on the winning side because God knows exactly what Satan is up to. Look at Hebrews chapter two. Turn to Hebrews chapter two. Turn to Hebrews chapter two. And this is ultimately the brilliance of, I mean, this plan of salvation, it shows that even, I'm gonna show you how even Satan didn't know. Even Satan didn't realize how God was gonna do this. He didn't get it, he didn't understand and he fell right into this trap at his own free will. Look at Hebrews chapter two, look at verse 14. Look what the Bible says in Hebrews 2, 14. For as much then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same.  Notice that first, those first three words after that semi-colon. It says, Jesus took on flesh and blood. You need to think about this for a second. Jesus took on flesh and blood that through his death. Oh, nobody saw that one coming. Everyone was looking for this king. Everyone was looking for King David part two. Guess who else was looking for King David part two? Satan himself. Satan himself was looking for this worldly king to free the Jews, to be this conqueror, to bring back the nation. And Satan's like, all I got to do is kill him. But that's exactly how God defeated Satan right there. Look what it says. And through death he might destroy him that have the power of death, that is the devil. It's through the death of Jesus. It's through the death of this. Satan's like, there's the king, there's the Messiah. He knew he was there. I got to kill him. But it's through that death, through that death of Jesus Christ that he kills himself. That Satan is destroyed. It's, I mean, it's like, forget about it. It's brilliant. It's brilliant. Look, and here's the thing. This, notice how the Bible says here, it says that he has the power of death. Did you know that that's the only power that Satan has? The only power that Satan has is the power of death. Think about that for a second. Look, if the devil can keep people, if the devil can keep people in sin, in living in the flesh, in all this garbage and convince them that all these things are okay and all this, and keep them from believing on Christ, look, he wins. He wins.  The same place that Satan is going. The only real power that Satan has is the power of death. He can kill people.  And then their souls will be delivered to hell, to which those souls are already condemned. All he has to do is get them into sin. Look, all Satan has to do is get you into sin. That's the power he has over you.  Did you know that? If you get into sin and you get into all this garbage and you start living that kind of life, as a saved believer, Satan can shorten your life on this earth. God's chastisement can shorten your life on this earth.    He can shorten your life on this earth. It's the only power he has is the power of death. That's it. But he cannot save. He cannot save anybody. He cannot offer life to anyone. I mean, think about it. Who would take this deal? Eternal life or eternal death. Who would take this deal? Yet everyone's taking the deal of eternal death. But that is the power that Satan has. He's pretty good at wielding that sword. But God, look, God's the brilliant side. That's what we're trying to get you to understand. You know, he could just destroy Satan and he will. He could just destroy someone. Instead, instead, God allows free will. God allows free will. And through free will, he used Satan. He used the Pharisees. He used Judas to destroy Satan. It's brilliant. It's just a brilliant plan. Turn to Isaiah chapter 55. Turn to Isaiah chapter 55. Let me close on just this thought. So you see, there's these people that thought they were pretty smart.  I mean, it worked. It met their end goal. But they were playing into God's hand to save the world. And, but they thought that they were pretty smart. But look at Isaiah chapter 55 and look down at verse number eight. Knowing all this, knowing that the Pharisees didn't see what God was doing. The Pharisees didn't see what kind of Messiah Jesus was. Satan didn't even, look, Satan himself didn't even see it. Satan fell into the bear trap and he destroyed himself by killing the Messiah. But look at Isaiah chapter 55. We always have to remember this. The Bible says this. The Bible says this and I'm sure you've heard this verse before but the Bible says, for my thoughts are not your thoughts. Neither are your ways, my ways, sayeth the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts, then your hearts. Look, then your thoughts. What God is saying here and what we actually see demonstrated in the conspiracy against Jesus Christ is that you don't have to understand everything. Here's the thing.  All you have to do in this Christian life is obey. That's it. All you have to do is what you are supposed to do. God does not need your strategic help. And a lot of us, you know, we might think and I've been this person before, we may think, well, you know, I just don't see. I just don't see the path out of this. I gotta find my own way. Look, God's ways are higher than your ways. All we have to do is obey. It's very simple for us as Christians. All we have to do is keep doing what we are supposed to do. Ultimately here, ultimately just like the hem of the week, ultimately just we have to make sure that we stay on God's side because God's side is the winning side. And this is a great example of why God's side will always be the winning side. Look, he's playing at another level. He's playing at another level above you. He's playing at another level about me. I don't care how smart you think you are. Look, he's playing at another level against Satan. All these things in the end times, you're like, how could Satan fall into all that? He's going to. Because God's plan is so much higher, he's at a different level than us. All we have to do is stay on his side and we win. That's it. And that's the beauty of this conspiracy against Jesus. And it just shows us that God's in control. God's going to win. And all we have to do is just be obedient to him and make sure we stay on his side. So I'm thankful even though it cost a heavy price to Jesus. God paid a heavy price for his plan. Look, he didn't make a plan that was the easy way for him. But I'm thankful that his plans are always better. He's 10 steps ahead of Satan. And we just stay on that side and we will be on that winning side as well. Let's bow our heads and have a word of prayer.


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Yeah, we're back. We're live three o'clock. This is Think Tech. I'm Jay Fidel. We're going to talk about the virus today. We're going to have a report on the virus from Rupemade Kandekar, who actually has written a book about it. And I can't wait to look at that book. It's just coming out today. Welcome to the show, Rupemade. So nice to see your smiling face. Good afternoon, Jay. And very nice. It's always a pleasure to meet you again. So let's talk about your book. Title of the book, we can see it there, Raging COVID-19 Pandemic, The Wuhan Conspiracy. Oh, very provocative question mark. Can you talk about your book? Can you talk about the essence of your book? This book is like, like you all can see the pandemic is still raging two years on since we met it. So this book is about going back to the roots and finding out whether the origin was zoonotic or was it lab. So it's a comprehensive book and unless, maybe we may never find the zero patient, but we can, this trail can lead us to an investigation about how we can prevent future pandemics. So it's kind of a little bit of a peek into the past to find out if we can do anything to prevent something like this again happening in the future. So it's a nice book, I hope. I have to look at it. I really do. Because, you know, we've all been thinking about it and it's a book whose time has certainly come. We need to know more about this because this is defining the human race now. You know, in the past I, let me ask you this one biochemical question.  The SARS-1 virus, which was before this, it had a higher fatality rate than this virus, but the disruption, the death and the distress that this virus has caused has made this virus more visible. SARS-1, the countries were just understanding what is a pandemic. We had an Ebola, but it was concentrated. Something like this, which came as the shock, we can compare it to directly the 1918 Spanish flu, which wiped off 50 million people. So it was in that time that the world was scared. And I think this is the second time that actually the world is thinking, where can I go? What can I do? How can I stop this? So that kind of fear, like you said earlier, it's the fear that is conquering us. And now, instead of thinking that the virus is the enemy, now there are blame games starting. You're thinking this government did this, this public figure is not doing it properly. This should have been done. This should not have been done. People forget it's a personal battle between you and the virus. It is not anybody else. The virus is going to affect you, but the blame games are on higher levels. It goes on the local, the district, the state, the national government. So these blame games are going to continue throughout, but nobody has to forget that the enemy is still and will remain the virus till we find a good vaccine for it. Well, there's so many questions I want to ask you. We should take about six hours here. So people say it has been said for the past year that this is ultimately going to settle down into an endemic where it'll be like the seasonal flu, and we'll have, you know, decent vaccines and so forth. By the way, I just took my booster shot two hours ago. I'm feeling stronger already. We'll all settle down into sort of an endemic and hopefully we can put a lid on it so it doesn't, it's not as threatening and scary as it has been. Do you feel that's going to happen or is this the kind of thing like in the Spanish flu? It sort of goes away.  It stops. It just stops of its own. And then, you know, decades later we find some other kind of virus is happening. Is that the way it's going to be or is it just going to be, you know, a contained constant level of new viruses that we will always have to cope with? I hope so optimistically that it finishes fast, but the immunity that we are thinking of the vaccines have not been that effective to stop the virus. And the virus is such that within two days it finishes you from a healthy person to a finished person. So, I mean, it is scary. People want to believe that it will phase out, which usually happens in viruses. If you do social distancing, if you contain yourself, you know, the quarantine measures are not that effective. People want to come out of the lockdown. People think that the virus is the pandemic is not over. If you think it's over, it has to be over in the world. So they have to follow rules. They have to follow personal rules. They have to follow social rules. They have to follow rules in the society in the nation. You can't go for shopping and say, let's let's let's tomorrow the pandemic. So it's not that you have to have complete faith in this concept of social distancing in the mask, taking the vaccines which are available and helping the governments. Do you agree with me? I don't know if you're covered in the book, but do you agree with me that this is a test of humankind? We have to collaborate. We have to work together. We all have to follow some fundamental rules. And if we don't do that, there'll be, you know, hundreds of thousands, millions of deaths that didn't have to happen. I mean, such as what's happening in the American South right now. And so far, you know, in some ways, we are collaborating in other ways we are failing to collaborate. But in any event, we're involved in this kind of biblical test of an existential threat. What are your thoughts? It's true, true Jay, like, we are so interconnected. We are so apart at the same time, you have to help each other to come together. And you know, the crisis are not stopping. Like you said, it's not stopping one comes the other goes. Now, if there's a crisis like we talk about, do people think about the pandemic people forget about the pandemic in this time, but the pandemic is still continuing its course. If you if you have an event, we think, let's go for it but you forget that there's a pandemic raging still. So you have to understand that it has to be really about coming together about this and global solidarity like we saw in any case, when India last time we had this program, when India was in a troublesome position, we had oxygen cylinders, oxygen concentrators flown in from Qatar, Oman, Saudi Arabia, UK, Austria, everybody came to help. It is, you know, your global obligation that makes you act together. So that help went a long way in bringing out India from this time. Is India, is India okay now. Much better than last time we spoke about, like the numbers the active cases have come down to around 1.14% of the population. And I'm just 380 active, like, affected people right now lower since March 2020. Very interesting. So it's not, it's not a crisis at the same level that it was. No. The oxygen supplies have increased to such an extent that they have been stocking up. You know, before the before the pandemic hit India was just producing around 4000 tons of oxygen, including industrial oxygen. But the way the government has ramped up the oxygen production has been phenomenal, because we have, we had industries which came in and were asked to provide their infrastructure to produce oxygen for medical purposes. If you see in the WHO the medical oxygen is given second priority. The thing is, just just rolling my tapes back on the last year and a half in this country in the news cable news. We hear about ventilators for extreme cases for, you know, fatality type cases. We don't hear that much about oxygen is is oxygen in addition to the ventilators. Is it part of the ventilators, or is it separate.  Is oxygen something else that we should consider as a way to survive. Yeah, because if the virus when it hits your lungs and it impacts your lungs to find difficulty in breathing. So you need, there are beds, the COVID beds where you're just quarantine. There are secondly there are oxygen beds where you're just given a supply of oxygen where you're just breathing in your edges to come out of it. And third is when you're unable to breathe and you need a ventilator to support your breathing. That is like a three stage phase out of the treatment for the pandemic. So one of those stages is just to take oxygen by itself without necessarily having a ventilator. Yes, you need oxygen to survive. And you see the overwhelming population of India. When so many people who affected we did not have enough oxygen to be supplied to these people. The health infrastructure showed a collapse, but when they started these facilities in sports playgrounds in race courses in in wedding halls, they started facilities to take care of these patients. We had wards built in in these facilities which segregated these patients. And now at today's date, currently in this month, India has a central government has supplied 26,000 ventilators to the state governments to keep in case the third wave hits. So we have an excess stock of supplies to deal with the fact the lessons have been learned very well by this government. What about ICU beds as India surplus of ICU beds. We do have ICU beds but these ventilator beds are known as ICU beds. Same thing. Yeah. Okay, I want to go I want to go back to this, this whole notion about cooperation and collaboration between, you know, groups that may not otherwise collaborate about things. In this country, almost unbelievable division, a political division I think of people who are quote unquote hesitant about taking the vaccine. And that is, we know, scientific point of view that's very dangerous. That's how you spread it that's how you develop your variance. So my question is, do you do you understand that from a psychological sociological point of view, why people would take action that undermines their very ability to survive. The vaccines have always been a part of society. They're pessimistic about the vaccines. And if you take statistics in India, 58 million or 58 cores of people have been vaccinated. And the government plans to vaccinate the entire population by 2024 that is the broad framework. Okay, now they are supplying vaccines free of cost to the state governments and the union territories to keep, and to give as and when the population needs it Now the vaccination drives have been so intense, but they cannot afford to miss these people who refuse to take the vaccines. They, they feel that it's not safe. If you see one person dying because of the side effect of a vaccine, you will say, I may not take it I should not take it, my family should not take it. It's not go through it there's a fear that keeps on playing. It's what do you say accentuated there, when you see the side effects of the vaccine if you feel if you've taken the vaccine, and you feel a bit of pain you say oh, it is that side effect of the vaccine, you will tell your friend he will say hey, I will not take the vaccine. I'm fine. I'm pretty fine without it. So, kind of why should I take it. So, the anti waxes are a minority, but in this pandemic with such a large, such a large heavy rate of transmissibility, we can't afford to miss these people. We need them to come and say, yes, let's vaccinate let's develop a hard immunity and like you said, let's take it to progress to just being a flu, a seasonal flu. And once that happens, we are, we are back to normal. So, would you would money would you create a vaccine mandate in a given jurisdiction and say you will take the vaccine, unless you are excused by a medical, you know, professional, you must take the vaccine. And if you don't take the vaccine, we're going to do bad things to you. Would you have a vaccine mandate. What about the fundamental rights Jake, everybody has the right to say they cannot they want, they do not know that comes in all the time, you can say you have to do this, my what about my personal freedom, they will be, you know, rolling down tears by if the government needs to do this we need somebody to say everybody has to take the vaccine. This is a must if you want to stop this because this is going to rage for two years, it can rage on for 12 years. So, if you want to come out of it, the anti waxes the psychological blockage that you have for not having this vaccine has to be left out. And, and it's, it's, it's a thing that you do not only for yourself, you do it for your community you do it for your nation, you do it for the world. The anti waxes sitting in a plane, and then infected people who will go around the society and then spreading it again, because you can the danger in this is because this virus, you can catch it again multiple times. It's not that if you catch it once, it will stop. You can catch it multiple times, even if you have had the life. So, you have to be a tad bit more careful than you were in the previous pandemic. We talked about the monoclonal antibodies that Trump took when he tested positive when he had the disease and Greg Abbott in Texas, the governor he apparently took that to day or two ago, when he tested positive. Would you endorse, you know, expanding that program to cover everybody who tests positive. The innovative treatments are so widespread we had something like this in India known as the plasma therapy where they were replacing your plasma. We had some I heard something about a lung transplant being happening. You have to go into complicating things. Keep it simple. You have to keep life simple and this buy treatment for this virus very simple. You can come in, come with more complications, you know, you're giving the medical community guinea pigs. Yes, absolutely. I think there'll be better vaccines going forward. I assume, you know, the stakes are high from a profit point of view, they'll be, they'll be looking into every possibility. But I want to I want to go to another area that you and I talked briefly about before we started the show and that is the economic side of things. We have had an acceleration in the infectious quality of the virus and we've also had an acceleration in the fear about the virus through social media and other media. And, you know, if anything happens, including side effects in one out of, you know, millions of millions of vaccine cases. And then, you know, people take that out of proportion and, and they get us afraid. And so they become, you know, hesitant. But the other side of the fear is people are afraid to have children. They were afraid to start businesses. They were afraid to go out and afraid to spend money to acquire things they don't see your future. But you think the future is very short term. A lot of people and that's very rational as far as I'm concerned. So, so then you have a predictable reduction in the in the in the gross national gross domestic product in a given country and if you add all the countries up. You have a reduction of a visible and continuing reduction in the gross global product. Wow, that is saying something. And I don't think that it's rack and pinion. What I mean is it doesn't happen today with a given number of new infections. Over time. And so you really can't get a handle on it right away. You have to sort of look back and see how did things change in the economy, just because we have more jobs right now. That may be that may not be a good metric. So I want to know your thoughts about that I want to know your thoughts about how all of this and the fear affects the economy. Not only today but going forward, not only in a given jurisdiction, but in in a global analysis. Like you rightly said, it's the will to thrive the the the zest to strive for success has just imploded people want to just cocoon themselves and say now why should I do this, and what will I get through this, and your long term stock options, and your savings are not now 10 years life agendas have been trashed. And you think that now let's just think about next week and next month and I should have immediate medical care money available with me, and I should not think of how I should get that promotion and how I should you know that that zest is reduced in nations as well. They're thinking now, instead of importing exporting they're thinking of how can I now do domestic production. In India, something like this is known as at money. Okay, so that means self reliance within your country. You can stay now let's go for exports imports let's let's make this country the biggest possible. What is that player in the international system. Let's just keep it to a lower level. And let's like you said it's just going from one stage to a lower stage to a lower stage to a lower they're not able to come out of it, because more than psychological it is like what should I do this for if the virus hits me tomorrow what should I do. I'm helpless against the virus. So why should I go out and thrive, or why should I go out and strive rather than try. So that affects productivity to such an extent that that you know you have to depend you feel like depending on somebody else for your daily needs. You feel okay fine I can get like the Indian program has fed around 80 million people for two years on relations, the government is providing them basic food. If a person is getting this, you will think let me survive this pandemic to this. I'm not going to go out for work. That brings down the productivity that brings down the domestic indulgement of the labor force. So people have to come out of this and come out and work, put your put your mask on and start work normal life has to resume. It's it's such a blockage. There is a virus. There is a psychological blockage. There is, there is a, and there is a whole cloak of fear surrounding this. So it will require too much of internal strength to come out of it. Yeah. Well you know it's interesting, because last year, and Trump was part of this he kept talking about a reopening, even after the virus had not peaked. He was talking about a reopening. He, he hadn't taken any affirmative steps to stop it. And he was talking about reopening and, and people, you know, they take the message of the leader and they started reopening everything. Okay, and it was of sorts a reopening about about a year ago. There was a false reopening in my opinion, because you know it was the wrong time for it. And you can say that there were more jobs you can say that the you know domestic product was doing a little better because people were going back to work, at least for a time trying to get on the reopening bandwagon. But then we've had, we've had serious surges since then. And now people are really questioning that raising the questions you just mentioned, more and more and more. And my own personal theory, I want to bounce it off you, is that people are not going to have the same level of reopening optimism that they did a year ago. Now they're going to really think twice before they rush back into a sort of an artificial normal normalcy to agree. Yes, yes, so correct, so correct.  You have New Zealand with one case of Delta virus closing down the country. I think everywhere else every household has one Delta variant person safely sleeping on the bed somewhere but this kind of panic. Is not called for you have to live with it Jay it's not going to go away because we are living in such a interconnected world when it starts from one goes to billion, 8 billion, you have to understand that it's going to be part of your life.  It's that, and you try to survive that will to survive has to be implicated mentally, rather than physically, and when you make it a part of life like just brushing your teeth.  I catch it, I catch it. Yeah, philosophical kind of philosophical building into your worldview, you know, and that that is for everybody in the world. On the other hand, we have to see how that affects the economy because I think countries and economies are going to have to build it into that they're going to have to find a way to evaluate their economy or motivate your or manage their economy with due regard for the fact that people are not going to be quite as vital, you know, you know, eager to participate in the economy because you can you can tell me this route body and I'll do it I'll listen to you. But not everybody will.  They're going to be depressed and not going to go back. And so, you know, the demographics are not perfect. And so we have to see how this all plays out. And really, ultimately, I think what you said will take place. It's just a question of time. We have to look forward and we have to build that into the question of time. So, let me but let me ask you about your book now because this is very interesting stuff about the conspiracy over the origin. I think it's a bit exotic or maybe laboratory developed, you know, virus this is scary. And just just as you've written your book, think tech does finish the documentary about the, the, the, the, well we call it the spiral in crisis, the alarming convergence of climate change and and pandemics, because we believe that there are we and our scientists believe they're a fundamental, you know, common denominators that create both. And so the question relates to the other and if we didn't have such a problem in climate change, we wouldn't have such a problem in in pandemics arguably. But my question is and in that, you know, examination that we made, of course, the issue came up about what happened in Wuhan. So let me ask you, what happened in Wuhan. Yes, because we need to get to this zero patient who was the zero patient and why did the research is that there are so many, you know, it's it's fun to take it as a conspiracy theory, then just take it as zoonotic origin because there are so many supporting sequences to state that it is lab created the genome sequences, the scientists disappearing the whistleblower is being crashed, and the creator is being rewarded. If you if you want to find out read about the bat woman of Wuhan. So, these things are more interesting in the sense and not just speaking China is not allowing the WHO to enter for a second time. The first visit was a chaperone visit. It was in such high security. And the statement was so bleak, saying that it was just, we don't know what it is and you know you can't give such a statement the whole world is suffering we need some answers. These answers need to be concrete and they can be, they can be absurd, they can be like maybe it was and maybe it is in a bad cave and maybe it came in the fish market, it can be like this, it has disrupted economies it has disrupted businesses, it has destroyed lives, it has taken destroyed families. So people need, they are accountable for answers. Aside from accountability group Marty, the other thing strikes me and I wonder what your thought would be about it. Let's let's I think it's fair to assume that the scientists in Wuhan, the virology Institute of Wuhan, we're working with this virus, I mean it got out of that that laboratory it was in that laboratory before it got out, and they were working with it. And in working with it they were learning at, you know, at a microscopic level. How, and at a DNA level how, how, how it worked what what is what is this virus how does this virus conduct itself. What are its mechanisms. And I guess, you know when you're talking about a virus they're not all the same there are millions and zillions of them. They're different, and they were studying the character, my guess is, they were studying the characteristics of this one virus, which may have come to them from a zoonotic, you know, origin but they were looking at all the details now, could it be group Marty that they know about the things about the characteristics of this virus, the mechanisms and behaviors of this virus that they have not yet shared things that would help the world deal with this virus. And therefore it's not just a question of accountability. It's a question of trying to get a better handle on the virus. Am I, is there anything in what I've said. So the sequence was shared six days after six days six days is a long time for the virus to start spreading. If the sequence was shared immediately and when they shared the sequence, they said this virus does not transmit. It does not affect humans at all is just one isolated case. So that six days allowing six weeks for residents of Wuhan to travel outside of Wuhan. And as you know, we have a large number of workers from Wuhan working in Italy. Which employs workers directly from Wuhan. That's how we had the pandemic. It's so hard in Italy first through which it's spread in Europe. So when you have these things being allowed. If they had this one case if they had these 100 cases they could have shut down Wuhan, but six weeks was a huge amount of time for the virus to allow a spread its wings rather. And as we know it's so interconnected it just it just burst in on to the global stage. Back in the early days, there was this thing about tracing and tracking and trying to find people who would get on a telephone, try to find software that would recognize risky engagements that you might have in your life, as to those who might be shedding their tears. But that has seemed to left the stage. And although my understanding is why he still has a very reduced team of tracers. Fact is we're not tracing. Would you agree with me if I said this thing has gone way beyond tracing. And there's very little we can do to trace these cases or is there something we can do. But this tracing is now outdated isn't it we can't find out these people from their homes, or we, you know, there's a digital platform in, in, what is that, in India, known as they have this, I hope that they, they track you on your mobile they show you how many people around you are affected. And I think that is, that is a far better option, because mobile phones mobile devices are with everyone. We have to develop these apps, the little bit of innovation is required to be able to track each and every person, though it may not be feasible. We have to try and we have to innovate because the transmissibility once it is restricted or other the mutations will cease to happen because this which is raging right now is the delta virus delta delta variant. Yeah. Well, there'll be more. Right, right. So that's why when it mutates and we get another alpha is that beta and which one now gamma isn't it. So now we're waiting for that to happen. Yeah, what's happening. Okay, you know, it strikes me that, let me let me say this, I, I believe, as with some of these other existential crises, for example, climate change that COVID has changed the world order. It's not only that it has changed our individual lives and the lives of our community. It has changed the world order we focus on different things. We spend time on it, which we could be spending on other things the priorities in our lives and in our governments, and in our engagements with other governments. The priorities have been changed. There's very little. There's very little news you hear on a given day that does not involve COVID. So my question to you is, is how profound is that change. I'll give you this. I'll explain this to you through an example, Jay. See, India, India is such a huge population, population country and we would have had to depend on the world for our vaccine production. As soon as our lockdown started in March 2050 2020. In April, we moved to focusing on production of vaccines production of vaccines for this billion plus people was more possible to cover our public know but no country would be ready to cover our population. Would it have been possible? No, they would have taken care of their domestic, their international exports and then looked at us. This domestic production that started in India helped us to have self-sufficiency in vaccine production. And then, once we have the self-sufficiency, we have international obligations, which we have to take care of. So the priority of focusing on so many industries were asked to focus on oxygen production on vaccine production remdesivir medicines were given to other industries saying like let's come together by your technology. You have these business houses who come together these charity organizations who helping. Let's take these vaccine to the most underprivileged people. You have so many networks working just to provide COVID protection. This export import of manufacturing products, everything has changed. And like you say, the global world order has changed in such a way that you are thinking that how can I make my population safe first. And then let's think about the other things. So when you have this COVID crisis going on, everything has taken a back stage. Everything. You have solidarity in production of vaccines. You have solidarity in playing blame games too. Yes, yes, we do. So let's target somebody and let's not leave this one. It's going on a long time now.  Well, we're, we're out of time with money. I just want to thank you from my heart for this discussion as the last, and I hope we can circle back and do it again and I hope things are better. The next time we do it. Now on your book can we flash a picture of your book one more time. Now can you tell us how we can now we can get the book. Raging COVID-19 pandemic, the Wuhan conspiracy question mark. So how can, how can, how can we get that book? Now it's going to be on Amazon. It's just printing, you know, it's just printing right now. And I'm so happy about it. So I'm going to look forward to this book and send you a copy ASAP. Okay. Thank you. Of course, and I'll send you our movie. Take care till the next time. Aloha.