Sledaj, dva svoja dvodina. Srečno, smo vse predstavili tehnologične revolucije. If you are excited about artificial intelligence, you might be surprised what is coming next.  Steve Jobs also had some fantastic thoughts about it, but I will let our speakers tell you more about it. Today I'm very happy to introduce a very globally renowned scientist from the genetic field, the long-standing director of the Serbia Institute of Molecular Genetics and Genetic Engineering, the president of the governing board of the International Center for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology, and now the minister of science, innovation and technological development from the Republic of Serbia, Dr. Jelena Begovic. Please come to the stage. The other great speaker for today comes from a very different environment. He is a venture investor. He comes from London, from UK. He is founder of Salvage Ventures and the venture partner of Mubadala Life Science Fund. The last information I got is that it is worth 1.1 billion pounds. So please welcome Alas Dirtong, who will start the speech. Good morning, everyone. Thank you so much for taking the time to listen to us today. I'm going to be talking a little bit about the biotechnology revolution and how the changes over the last 10, 20 years will fundamentally change the world in the future. For most of human history, biology has been trial and error. And by trial and error, what we mean is that we were limited by what we could observe with the human eye and what we could do with our hands. It took a very long time for us to be able to realize that there was literally more than meets the eye, and healthcare and treatment was often relied on mysticism or tradition rather than science. And our ancestors now would probably look at what we have achieved scientifically and think that it was crazy. But as we can see, Arthur C. Clarke once said, any sufficiently advanced technology isn't distinguishable from magic. What changed over the last couple of hundred years is that we invented and created enabling technologies that have allowed us to go deeper and allows us to see more than meets the eye. Tools like the microscope, as you can see, allowed us to see cells and microorganisms, enabling technologies such as electricity and temperature control also enabled us to have a very deep view of science in a way that frankly, as I said before, our ancestors would never have been able to do. Things really, really advance further in the 1980s, in particularly around commercial technologies and companies which created biologic therapies, in particular Amgen and Genentec, two large American companies with the creation of a poet in Alfa and Somersotan, whereby they were able to manufacture these products in living cells, in Chinese hamster ovri cells and bacterial cells, by inserting the gene, a gene basically which allows them to produce certain products. And you can think of this in a similar way to how a factory might use a set of schematics to produce a particular product. This was basically done in biology and has created a wave of new technologies and new products across healthcare, life sciences, environment, climate and materials. Now we exist in a different way in 2023 where biology is not just a biotechnology, but biology exists as a technology. And what I mean when I say this is that, as you can see from the picture here, there are a number of different analogies that we can take and one of them is building. If you're a builder who just has a hammer, you're limited to building things in a very, very one-dimensional way, simply by hammering things.  This represents really the rocks that you have there. This is the trial and error biology that I described earlier. It's very challenging to know what you don't know and without the tools to see properly, you can't do more. The image in the middle represents biotechnology such that with multiple tools, such as a spade, a hammer, a screwdriver and other hand tools, you can build intermediately complicated projects such as a house as an example, but you're again limited by what the human body is able to achieve in contrast, the last picture represents modern construction. In order to build a skyscraper, you need many modern technologies and tools which didn't exist a long time ago. Hydraulic cranes, modern architecture techniques, fancy materials and regulations in order to make sure that standards are kept. This would be biology as a technology that I described earlier in that with a culmination of build-up of multiple technologies which are extremely complicated, as well as several projects which are, frankly, solving very, very large problems which would have been unthinkable before. And to take some examples of projects which have created biology as a technology, I've got three examples here. The first being the human genome project. This was a project that started in 1984 and functionally mapped all of the roles and structures of genes in the human body. It was functionally completed in 2001 and set a 9.7% completion of both structure and function of human genes. Enabling technologies and tools to build this included things like PCR sequencing, bioinformatics, and otherwise. And, again, without those things put together and combined, we would not be able to have the precision medicines with genetics that exist today such as Herceptin, a very powerful breast cancer treatment which relies on genetics to target. A second example could be AlphaFold and this was the solving of all the protein structures and confirmations done by Google DeepMind completed in 2020. Similar to the human genome project, this will enable a whole new revolution in proteomics and protein targeted therapeutics which, again, would not be possible without many enabling technologies such as long read sequencing, again PCR sequencing and otherwise which combine one combined together and computational biology, structural biology, etc. And by combining these things together, again, we were able to create a tool in an atlas which we would not be able to do before. The last example I have up here is CRISPR which is a gene editing technology, a far more advanced version of being able to edit a genome of a living organism compared to what Amgen and Genentec pioneered in the 1980s. Similar to the other two, it's an enabling technology that will enable fundamentally life changing treatments for humans but separately also actions and it's a pair of molecular scissors compared to the human genome project in AlphaFolg which could be much more viewed as schematics and an atlas. This is really all been enabled by interdisciplinary convergence of multiple areas of both life sciences, biotechnology, IT, etc. As well as a number of trends such as the falling cost of sequencing, cheap GPUs with incredible power, advanced artificial intelligence algorithms and otherwise. In the future we expect that these things will continue to converge and continue to build fundamentally changing technologies and products across all sorts of different areas not just life sciences and healthcare and therapeutics. To recap as I talked about before we understood biology as trial and error for the longest time. There was the birth of biotechnology about 40 years ago whereby we could edit and change cells to create products and we expect to enter a golden era of biotechnology where biology is used as a technology when new industries are created disrupted and reinvented. And some of the issues that we will hopefully try and solve with this revolution of biotechnology we can see above that we are going to hit a global population of almost 10 billion by 2050. There is going to be almost a 50% increase in global cancer deaths by 2030. Almost 20% of adolescents in the US diabetes, cardiovascular disease vati liver disease, cancer, etc. And still to this day 31% of all premature deaths worldwide come from cardiovascular disease and this includes war, famine, pestilence and everything else in between. There are still huge problems that need to be solved and biotechnology and biology as a technology will do these things. This is a multi trillion dollar opportunity for reinvention and economic gain. As a result of this for this golden era it isn't just about the technology there will be a new generation of life scientists and entrepreneurs with both very different priorities and very different backgrounds that will innovate materials and processes that have never existed before. And what I mean by this is similar to what Premier Lee mentioned in the plenary session this morning entrepreneurship will look very different in the future and not just in tech in life sciences as well. Science in 2023 has generally been not equal at a global level and actors who are able to improve global development of science and life science in biotechnology need to act together and cooperate in order to build this future that we're talking about a little bit now. So how are we able to capture and prepare for this revolution in biology and the changes that it will bring? I can only speak for myself as an investor but we see so many interesting opportunities in such a way now that didn't exist 10 years ago but I would like to now hand over to our Excellency Minister Begovic to talk a little bit about one country in Europe in which they are developing and building this huge revolution in biotechnology. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good morning everyone. So there are two questions that should follow this. Why should we prepare and when? So the answer to the first one is not only the biology and scientists will be influenced by this revolution in biology. We have to be aware that our economies our social systems and every single each individual on this planet will be influenced by this revolution. The second question is when to become when to start the preparations. The best answer is of course well the best time was 12 years ago. The second best time is today so we shouldn't wait. So why 12 years ago? Well 12 years ago I always refer to Steve Jobs I take him as a big visionary of our time a person who really influenced our lives on regular everyday basis so he foreseen that the merging between biology and technology between life sciences and the ICT is a new revolution and a new era that is coming. Although now we can say it's already here. So today we have companies that transferred big factories that are talking about thousands of square meters 10,000 square meters to microns, to living organisms we have companies that are offering the production of any kind of compound in a living organism. Then when you see that companies or agencies like Boston Consulting Group or McKinsey are talking about biotec and synthetic biology that is coming it's around the corner and it's going to change the industry it's going to move trillions of dollars within the economies well half of the population is very happy and I'm the one half of it but the second part of the population gets a little bit scary so what is happening what is going to happen with our societies what is going to happen with our jobs definitely the consulting and financial groups are talking about biotec so this is happening and this is going to influence our lives so let's see how we can prepare I am speaking from a point of the minister of science of a small country on Balkans in Europe on this planet so this is the country with the I would say almost the perfect spot on this globe because it's a spot where east and west meet north and south meet it's a country where you don't need visas to come to to come to Serbia whether you come from India from China, from United States Europe all around the world so it's a perfect spot to start something that should grow to become international base of development and we definitely as a government came to the decision that we are going towards the development of bioeconomy to development new bio hub in Europe so far for past 7 to 10 years we invested heavily in innovation system through building science technology parks through building different small innovation centers because as a small country we want to reach every single entrepreneur, every single innovator every single scientist within our country we need them all so we want to gather them and we want to bring them together around one idea and this is the building of a new innovation ecosystem in our country in parallel and of course we have a huge and long successful history in education and success in science in STEM particularly in STEM areas so we are building the ecosystem for the future development we are investing heavily in national data center super computers so we are trying now to put together all the pieces of the puzzle that we already have together with the world economic forum we open a center for the fourth industrial revolution third one in Europe sixteenth in the world and we are focused in this center on biotec and AI because we see these actually as a fifth industrial revolution so the convergence between ICT AI and life sciences why these four key key areas of life because these are the major challenges healthcare system food production and agriculture energy and environment protection this is something that concerns all the countries in the world this is something that concerns every single individual on this planet so we are building a bio for campus it's a platform for collaboration it's a platform where we are bringing together academia, private sector government all the grey cells that we have in the country and all the infrastructure that we have in the country and in big investments in this bio for campus bio for comes from biomedicine, biotechnology, bioinformatics and bio diversity so for bios we will see the future development of our country so what are we doing we are actually not starting from the zero as I mentioned we have excellent science we have army of scientists we are just putting them together for the collaboration we are putting six faculties nine research institutes we are also building a new scientific science technology park for the support of startup community for the support of startup community in the area of biotec and AI because our country showed immense success in the development of ICT industry this is our second export field so we already have again all the pieces of the puzzle behind me you will see how this platform will look like with different core facilities but what is also important as much as our academia that's the private sector big pharma companies and R&D centers so we want to create an R&D center in Europe to become a really global spot for innovations of course this has to be international center to attract people not only for the region not only from the Europe but really from the whole world because the collaboration is the key we cannot do it alone no one can do alone we need different stakeholders but also we need as much as we can get a huge amount of gray cells because this is the only way how are we going to tackle all the challenges that are really growing and becoming destruction and huge problem for every individual on this planet the key is in communication we do have a lot of institutes but we figure out that we have to bring them together we have to bring them together with the government with the non-governmental sector and we have to start collaborating so I have one more minute but I want you to see this is going to be a new city in Belgrade this is going to be a game changer for our science this is going to be a game changer for science in the whole region and this is how we see the future development of our innovation ecosystem through education and through investments in science so this is our invitation for everyone to join the revolution in biology because all the centuries I can say there were centuries of mathematics so this is the constant it will stay the century of chemistry and physics and now we enter the 21st century with the biology with the core processes of life and nature and now we have a technology that is starting to change the evolution of all living organisms including the humans so imagine the implications of such a powerful technology to our lives in a very near future that's it, right? ok so thank you very much this is my invitation so please visit Serbia Belgrade before expo 2027 this is I think an excellent opportunity for you to see we're starting to build this city at the end of this year so we're planning to finish it in two years space for companies space for universities space for scientists and space for all the smart people in this world now first of all I would like to thank you for being here today with us and now we're at your disposal if you have any questions any comments anything that can give us any indication of I think crucial things and the changes that are ahead of us please good morning thank you so much for your presentations my name is Tetenda Murigo I'm a global shaper from the Harare Hub and I'm a biotechnology and biochemistry student at the University of Zimbabwe I would like to ask about more space for people who want to promote education for younger students particularly people within primary and secondary education one example that I could give would be creating of molecular biology kits that can be used in underprivileged communities whereby they don't have access to the physical laboratory but they still need to learn certain aspects of molecular biology appreciation of it as can we support biotic innovators within the science education space thank you for the science it's becoming really clear that we have to start with education as soon as possible because we need new generations that understand new technologies this goes the same with AI for instance in Serbia we introduce the programming and AI from the elementary school from the first first grade of elementary school from the fifth grade they already are learning python and different AI tools but this goes the same with the biotec yes I completely agree that some kits can be developed and actually you can isolate DNA without any kind of kit you know you need a juice you need some ice and some alcohol and you can really demonstrate to the kids what is DNA and some similar kits can be really applied also I think we should use more informational technologies through for instance YouTube you can find such amazing lectures on basics of molecular biology chemistry, physics that can you know understand the regular person that is not in this art or it can be understood by a kid but I think we should focus and I agree we should focus on younger generations because it's very difficult to foresee what is ahead of us and we have to prepare them for the new jobs for the new challenges that are very hard to foreseen at this moment but then again innovation and centers like this and centers in your country that are promoting science within young populations are very, very important I would just add also that it's what you focus on as well so the rise of everything that ministers talked about is underpinned by computational biology a lot of it actually and bioinformatics doesn't need a wet lab for the most part you need data and if you have the data and if you have a laptop you can be a scientist now in a way that you can never be before so I would also encourage countries and places where if you don't have access to a wet lab focus on what you do have access to double down on that Yes, yes Hi, good morning thank you for a very insightful presentation I think synthetic biology is the buzzword these days my name is Amit Kakkar I'm an MD in oncology part of the Novorodist Foundation very actively involved in both life science and sustainability investments we do have innovation hubs in Copenhagen right now and we're looking to see what we can do across the world I think one of the key questions is where does the innovation come from do you have the basic pool of innovators like academia and other innovators in Serbia right now and I apologize I'm not being rude here I don't have any idea about that and because we see that academia I live in Singapore and we see that coming in from ASTAR, NUS, China it comes from CAS, Speaking University Copenhagen it's from Arhus CPH Business School so can you elaborate a little bit more about the Serbian ecosystem where academia is concerned? Absolutely so the innovations come both from the industry and academia so we worked a lot on structuring the system because we were facing the situation where the invention is there and they started to somehow develop towards innovation and then in that chain in that pipeline something was missing so we had to build stronger supporting system the identification of innovation to explaining to scientists particularly in the areas where every single paper is also kind of innovation how to overcome those borders that they were in their brains in their minds and how to pursue innovation and what are the benefits of becoming an entrepreneur we don't expect of course that everyone will be entrepreneurs it's not a good thing because where the world will go in which direction if everyone were entrepreneurs so you always have in a population a percentage of those who are really willing to risk and the change of mindset up that a failure to fail is a good thing that I see also in Europe that it's still a problem so we are working a lot with faculties, with research institute with individual scientists through different trainings through different visits to other ecosystems just to create a minimum number of those who are willing to try successfully in ICT of course when we talk about biotech it's a completely different story it's highly risk it takes a long time it takes high high investments so it's ten times everything compared to ICT but nevertheless we decided that we will support and now we have a growth in number of companies that are biotech and combination of particular combination AI and bio, AI and medicine so we are now with the most of the we have mostly innovations in this field but we see now that other fields are growing particularly in agritech and medicine but it's a process I would also just add on that that as an investor what makes the biophore campus so interesting is that it becomes a hub for the region because currently no hub in that region the hubs in Europe and the UK Switzerland, Denmark as you mentioned Spain to some extent now with Moderna and BMS moving large R&D facilities there but there is no hub in Serbia or in the Balkans, or in Turkey or in Egypt or in any of the countries there and by building this the smartest people from those places will go to Serbia now at least as a starting point because it's a lot easier and it's a lot more valuable but it's going on in your beautiful country Belgrade is an amazing city Serbia is an amazing country and you really have to go mentioning the age of biology and life sciences mentioning this huge hub you are building I give you maybe it's not an advice but an idea, you mentioned Demososaurus in an alpha fold this is a fantastic story I think building up no matter this amazing vision for Serbia you have to tell stories you have to tell who are the ones who make the biggest achievements what is their story people always connect with stories you know it's easy to say we are this and do this and this but if you add a face on it, a story to it it's better to connect and I really encourage you to come to Belgrade Thank you very much I'm the global shaper from the Shenzhen hub my name is Chun Li Deng in Chinese, Chun Li I have a very close connection with Serbia because I volunteered in the United Nations rest and coordinate office in Serbia in 2021 and I participate in many sustainable projects based in Serbia such as the green economy green agricultural culture and as the role of our office we need to negotiate among the governments NGOs, private sectors and other stakeholders so my question is like when it comes to age of biology and life science sorry, should I stand up? so how can we negotiate with different stakeholders and to mobilize the resources and impacts among the stakeholders also the impacts and a good story at the regional level and global level ok, thank you well you know we are all representatives of different countries and on different levels if we talk about innovations science, I think science is good everywhere there are regions and countries that are better in this field or that field, better in mathematics better in some other areas but for the innovation system you have to create it and you have to communicate I totally agree with all the stakeholders, but it's also important that the government is supporting for instance such a big investments and big projects so you need a strong governmental support, you need a government who is willing to change even the legal framework in order to be more supportive and more attractive whether to scientists or to the private sector in order to attract more companies to your country also the communication with the public is becoming very important because biotech as I said at a certain point people are extremely happy but also you have citizens that are becoming scared of these new technologies so constant communication is also important and we are planning multimedia multifunctional center, something between art and biotech so we can really communicate with citizens so we don't end up with situation that we have fear in societies and this is going to be more and more intense as these technologies advance as I mentioned we are starting to change the evolution of our own species so when people become aware of it they should be prepared and they should have more knowledge so communication through media communication through some public dialogue it's very important for these new technologies that I don't know whether you want to add something I think you said it very perfectly to be honest OK we have one more one more, no one more that's it? they are not giving us a second more than planned thank you very much again and we can continue after this official


Here's the lineup for Senators with Technical, their goalkeeper Jonoje Steadman, the captain number two Dante Campbell, Othiel Anderson, Antoine Smith, Nikarta Smith, Najay Brown, Dante Hewitt, Deandre Hebert, Raul Hill, AJ Smith, and Giovanni Gordon, their coach by Omar Rambo Wetterburn. The lineup has a 4-4-2 with Stets, the captain is there, Dante Campbell looking forward for a great season this season. Let's see what he can deliver as he leads his team. The referees they have their own moment and let's have a quick look now at the Monroe College lineup, their goalkeeper Omar Farrakhan, Seriki Sivarian, Kristen Howell, Brashane Wind, Daniel Bowen, Javier Beckford, Ryan Bins, Tristan Ford, Yajonte Johnson, Jason Wilson and Marcus Forrester, their coach by Patrick Jackie Walters. The old Wiley tactician has many titles in schoolboy football as Jackie Walters. Goal, Central is by Technical won, Monroe College won. Yes, sunshine when this game started, Central is by Technical had the early proceedings of going in their favor, that header just over the crossbar, they had another shot from Najay Brown, goalkeeper Farrakhan who had an excellent game equal to the task. The goal would have opened in the 35th minute. Hewitt, a delightful ball into the path of Hibbert and he finished with the plumb. Yeah, four goals for him this season and that goal certainly will be in many of his highlight reels based on the magnitude of this encounter. The Stets Dabi, another look at the finish. Farrakhan who had a great game, you really can fault him. He really did well there. Did Hibbert to convert that one. That was a great goal. And all of Santa Cruz was excited. But look at this one for a finish from Wint to the captain Bowen. And what a strike that was, twisting his body, getting all his weight behind it. What a strike.  And two minutes later, the game was level. Here's another strike. Farrakhan had to do a double save there. From the hand and then from the chest. Stets would send this one.  Christopher Mason bringing an end to the proceedings. One all, Stets and Monroe. Here the full-time match statistics. 15 shots, nine to Stets. Six shots in target, four of them to Stets. 11 fouls a piece, a yellow card a piece. Four off sides for Stets. One for Monroe. Nine corners, five to Stets. Three saves made by Farrakhan in goal for Monroe. 53% of the possession to Stets. But the statistic that matters is the goals. One a piece. We go to Gerard. He has the water player of the match. Let's find out who it was. Thank you so much, Dean. The water player of the match, obviously none other than Daniel Bowen. Daniel, talk me through that goal. When you saw that ball coming towards you, what was going through your mind? Trust me. I don't even know what to say right now because I'm a defender and a goal like that isn't a defender goal. Trust me. It's a wonderful feeling and I'm so happy for that goal. Is it something that you go through on the training ground? Pardon me? Do you work on the training ground? No, I work on headers. I'm a defender. I score headers. Oh yeah. But it really was a good goal. Thank you. Did you like this result? Do you think that Monroe should have come out on top? Or can you live with it? It's not the result that we wanted but we got our point. That's the great thing. We do lose. All right. Well, thank you so much. Congratulations to you. Thank you sir. See you throughout the season. Thank you. Yeah, that was Daniel Bowen there, the water player of the match. Let's have a chat now with the Monroe coach, the man himself, Jackie Waters. Coach, talk to me about this game. Are you happy with this result? We're playing as states. It's always a difficult task. Always a challenge. I think all our players stood up to it. You know, our game was kind of out of character, how we normally play, what we had to make the adjustment in terms of the whole state's play. Yeah. Well, throughout the game, you were seated, very cool, very calm.  Well, understandably, during half time, we had a discussion about the game and what to want it to achieve in the second half. And sometimes football is not so much with the feet but up here, in terms of the head. So I think they basically understood that. And I must say, I have a wonderful assistant coach in Damon Stewart, aka Stupis, which is doing a tremendous job. All right, coach. Well, talk to me now about the trajectory, about the rest of the season. You're in the playoff positions right now, of course, and looking to get out of this group. Do you think you can do so and probably at the top of it? Yes, man. Without a doubt. You know, one would expect that states would have been in there. So the important thing is not to lose the states. That is critical. And we achieve that today. All right, coach. Well done to you. Yeah, man. Thank you. Thank you so much. That was coach Walter is there and embracing coach Oman Rediburn, who we'll have a chat with. Coach, throughout the entire game, you wanted your boys to be a little bit more confident on the ball. Were you disappointed about the fact that they were playing as if they were the O8 team? No, you know, you know, very physical game, you know, playing against Manu always, it'll be something special, you know, and I think the board team come out here today looking for three points, but God knows, we didn't need the one up to the vote. Unfortunately, I say, come down. I was very impressed with the defensive effort from the states team. It is something that you've placed a bit of an emphasis on for this season. Does that win titles for you? Yes, you know, because the end idea game to finish until referee work off, you know, so we intend to play until referee calling, you know, so it's a mixed feeling towards this game. Not 100% happy, not 100% sad, you know, but I really appreciate it. It was entertaining, and I think, as I said, the physicality of this game, I really love it today. Yeah, would you say though that this was the hardest game of the season for you, and do you see that getting this result means that you'll get out of the group? No, it is not really satisfactory. Three points all the way. Every game we play hard, you know, this zone is very competitive, no matter who we play against.  So, you know, it's all what the player come and deliver on the day, but as I said, not 100% glad, not 100% sad. Yeah, of course. Thank you so much. Big up on the set.


Hello and welcome to the session. In this session we are going to discuss the following question and the question says that the given box plots show the maximum temperature in degrees Fahrenheit recorded by the weather stations for two cities A and B. Study the box plot carefully and compare the two distributions. Now let us start with the solution of this question. When comparing two data sets one should discuss each characteristic of the data that is center, spread, shape and outliers and here we are given the maximum temperatures of two cities in degrees Fahrenheit. In order to compare the two data sets of cities we will discuss center, spread, shape and outliers of the two distributions. So first we will discuss center for the two distributions. We are given box plot so we can say the measure of center will be median. The vertical line inside the box is drawn at median so we see that median for city A is given by 40 and for city B it is equal to 31 so we can say that average temperature of city A is greater than average temperature of city B. Here we have seen that the average temperature of city A is 40 degrees Fahrenheit and for city B is 31 degrees Fahrenheit so we can say that average temperature of city A is greater than average temperature of city B. Now we are going to discuss shape of the two distributions. Now here we will see whether the two distributions are symmetric or skewed and in box plot we see length of the whiskers and position of median to take symmetry and skewness. In city A we see that the median is exactly at the center of the box and length of the whiskers is also same so we say that the shape of the distribution for city A is symmetric and for city B the right whisker is longer than the left whisker so we can say that the shape of the distribution is skewed to the right. Thus we say that the shape of the distribution for city A is symmetric and for city B is rightly skewed. Now we shall discuss spread for the two distributions. We know that the spread of the distribution refers to the variability of data. If the data cluster around the central value then the spread is smaller the further the observations fall from the center the greater the variability or spread of the data and here we can see values for city B are widely spread then the data set for city A and lastly we are going to discuss outliers. We know that an outlier is an observation that is numerically distant from the rest of the data since there are no outlying values in the two distributions we say that there are no outliers so in this session we have compared the two distributions in terms of center, shape of the distribution, spread and outliers. This completes our session. Hope you enjoyed this session.


So, hello. You may remember from yesterday that when there was a discussion about various things that should be improved, Michael, also, I think it was Michael, highlighted that the signal ads and slot implementation that we use is kind of not very flexible. We use the linked class, which is basically like pointer, we're out in some class and there are some macros which make usage of it kind of easier, but not really because it's type unsafe. You can have only one handler for each call and there are some proper macros which don't really look very nice and there was this possibility of trying boost signals, so I kind of tried it. Actually, quite differently, I prefer the cute signal ads for mechanism because I find it more convenient to use, but I'm not re-implementing that for LibreOffice, so I went with boost and I tried it and yeah, I actually don't know if it works because the laptop is really slow to build, but it builds, so I assume it also works, so basically this is how you do something. For those who don't know, signal and slot mechanism is basically a signal, it's a notification something happened, so for example a push button can have signal pressed and slot is a function which can be connected to a signal, so if you have a button and you want to know when it's been pressed, you connect your slot to a signal and it will be called at the right time. So how do you declare a slot, the function will be called. In the class you used to do some declare link and you discovered it was called and what parameters it used and now it's just a function or member function. This is how you connect it. Before you had to use some set function and you use the macro and since this is boost, it's also not readable, you have to do this complicated stuff. This basically means that you, this is the signal object and you connect it and you need to use this bind stuff because it's a member function, the first argument is this and this is underscore one, it means that as another argument you will get the first argument from the signal. When you will be implementing this, just have a look at another already existing piece of code and copy and paste it and update and hopefully you don't get it wrong because at least the visual compiler that I used, the error messages just basically say you got it wrong. So yeah, well it's boost, it could be worse. And this is how you implement the function, so again you had some macro, it was class, this is what the handler was called, there was the argument and it was called this and now it's again just a function and this is basically how it works. So as soon as somebody converts it and I intend to do it as an easy hack, you will just use this, you will create a method like this and it will just work and be converting all the classes. Oh sorry, this is wrong. Sometimes you also need to disconnect because otherwise you would have dangling pointers so you can just have an object which will track the connection between them and you either disconnect explicitly or you will just use the class which will do it automatically and so this is how we actually implement the signal. So first the class had to recall, I remember the link and had a function we just assigned it and if you wanted two of them you basically couldn't so right now you use and this is a kind of, this is kind of again the not entirely obvious syntax, you basically declare a signal object and this means there is a function which returns nothing and takes one argument of this kind. And that's all. I will finish the verb and I will check if it actually works but I'm quite positive it does, so done.


well good morning everybody we're here picking up more of this steel again gotta watch these edges that they don't eat through my tarps so we're not 63,000 pounds or this isn't 63,000 pounds of steel this time this time it's only 56,000 pounds we've got our chains criss-crossed at the front there protecting it from either going side to side or you know flying off the front if I have to hit the brakes really hard and into my step oh we got the same at the back there doing the same thing there I did a mixture of straps and chains on this load this load like I said is 56,000 pounds I have enough securement on here for about 65,000 pounds so she won't be going anywhere just getting our tarps done today make all nice and pretty put our flags on it our oversized load signs clean ourselves up and we'll be on our way this load is going to Alberta so it's a four-day drive from here but I can't drive at night in Ontario on the two lanes so it might turn into four and a half because it's already noon by the time I get out of here it'll be a little later yet so I don't know good as far as we can today we'll just see what happens it's going to be heavy though it's not 63,000 but it's still heavy 56,000 pounds that's a that's a lot for this old Volvo it's a lot for the old girl hope you hope you're up for the challenge there we go all tied down looking pretty all my securement is under the tarps there a little bit windy out here that should be fun got our little lights out here that tell everybody hey I'm a little wider than you think watch out the flags if you don't see all this flags and signage man you'll probably go home it should be at home anyway all right everybody stay out of my way okay this is heavy I just want to get it to where it needs to go safely all right so my my first initial reaction on the new steer tires under load I'm impressed hashtag impressed and we haven't gone very far yet we're waiting for them to you know properly warm up and wear in but that along with those balancing rims pressed it's amazing how much shaking and uncomfortableness just a couple of bad tires can do what can do right I'm gonna have to look at my shocks on my front end as well because that could be what might have been causing the the cupping and I still got a little bit of a shake in my truck I don't know if that's coming from the trailer or not or you know a little bit of shake is okay but wow is it it's a lot better so my next thing I'm gonna have to look at is the front end shocks might need to get those replaced you know but by the time I'm done with all this stuff I might just overhaul this engine you know I've practically got a brand new truck already all I need is a new engine and we're golden we're good to go for another three four five years I'm glad that I solved the problem it's weird because the steer tire shake that I was dealing with it felt like it was an engine stutter like an engine hiccup like the engine was starting for fuel but I couldn't figure it out because I had full power and I had no problem starting the truck usually if you have air in your fuel system you'll have trouble starting your vehicle problems like that so it all came from the tires no it was like this little bit of a little bit of a vibration I still got a little bit of a shake I can feel it on my steering wheel oh wait now it's gone yet that might have just been the road could just be the road it's hard to tell I've dealt with so many shakes in the trucks that I've owned in my lifetime already that I pretty much narrowed it down when my truck starts shaking like I'm pretty good at pinpointing where it's coming from but this time it got me I've never had steer tires shake in such a irregular way that it felt like an engine stutter it was so weird it looks like we got our problems fixed uh at least one of them I mean there's always more problems I was telling you that the other day right this is trucking uh problems every day I don't know what the problem will be today but yesterday's problem has been solved so that's good really appreciated if we could wait about six months for the next problem to show itself but once again this is trucking we'll see we'll see what happens lulia we are out of toronto thank god oh I can breathe again you know the traffic wasn't so bad but you know but I'm just gonna say for a quarantine that's quite a bit of traffic still a lot of you people just you gotta be careful you people Don Terry got in trouble for saying that you people all you people on the road crazy toronto owners 100 meters keep to the left on highway 400 we're going here wash our hands grab some timmage then continue on our way I want this spot right here this is my spot I picked this one I'm hoping to make it up to north bay tonight yet before the sun goes down but we're gonna get as far as we can gotta get further in this so this won't be a very long stop it's the next morning and we're continuing our journey woke up in the morning and it was still here and we're still in the exact same spot as we went to sleep in so that's good so we do have the tri axle which means this load has a little bit of extra weight allowance you might say can haul more weight with more access it spreads the spreads the overall weight out more over the truck pardon me over the road I'm still waking up here I haven't even had my coffee yet we're not that oversized we're just 10 foot so it's those sheets of steel but like I was saying earlier I'm glad it's not as heavy as last time you really notice that difference I guess what did I say this is 56,000 6,000 pounds less than the last load and boy do I feel the difference feels a lot better so I'm just doing the pre-trip making sure everything's working here gonna run in grab a coffee and we'll continue this vlog on down the road to campus casing it's an absolutely gorgeous day here in north bay Ontario look at this blue skies hardly a cloud in the sky spring is in the air the flowers are not yet blooming but you know they're coming they're coming just pretend they'll be here soon this is canada this is in virginia I have my friends in virginia that have been showing me all the greenery they got there already must be nice they've got a Tim Hortons right over here and so far every Tim Hortons has been open for takeout heard reports in the news of truckers blocking drive-thrus or whatever or protesting that Tim Hortons isn't open I don't know how it is where you guys are but everywhere I've been right across the country every Tim Hortons has been open you just walk in I mean you can't sit down and eat and have your coffee inside but they'll give you your coffee and let you walk out yeah they're open so I mean like I said you can't eat inside because of the virus right now but you can walk in there and get a coffee for takeout I don't know what people are getting so upset about they keep saying can't find coffee anywhere all the truck stops are open they have coffee Timmy says coffee you can get food at Timmy's too I don't know what people are talking about where are all these stores closed and where are all these places that are refusing service to truckers I can't find them anywhere we've all seen those posts online right truckers whining and complaining saying oh they can't find a hot meal anywhere they can't find bathrooms anywhere they can't find coffee anywhere and they're going crazy and getting on the news and the news keeps covering these guys and I'm wondering like where are these guys that they can't get a coffee can't get bathrooms I don't have mentioned this before but it was in the news again last night oh truckers are essential workers they can't find food or bathrooms and coffee I haven't had one problem I don't know maybe it's where I'm not driving maybe it's in other areas I keep bringing it up because I feel bad because there's tons of people out there asking how difficult it is out there for us you know there's lots of people like going out of their way to bring truckers hot food and I don't want to discourage that I mean a free meal is always very nice but I don't know what these claims are based on there could be other states I guess because I know in the US every state is different some governors are going crazy right now with almost draconian how they're blocking and banning everything so like I said it's probably different in different areas but right across Canada from Ontario all the way to British Columbia every truck stop has been open for me every bathroom I haven't been refused a bathroom anywhere I've been able to get hot food takeout at any restaurant I want to all restaurants were open just for takeout just couldn't eat in all Tim Hortons are open for coffee every truck stops open all their showers are open and clean and I saw an article maybe it's still on here on my phone oh it's probably here it says truck driver blocks bc Tim Hortons drive through sparking new carryout option it's happened in Chilliwack British Columbia I was in Chilliwack not too long ago I mean maybe they've changed their laws and they've shut down Tim Hortons to people but this guy's like blocking the drive through protesting that he can't get a coffee saying the truck drivers are essential they need their coffee I'm like I agree with that we need our coffee we are essential but I mean what do you mean we can't get our coffee why are why why is this news we're fine but like I said maybe it's different there so let us know down below in the comment section if it's different where you are are you still able to get a coffee are you still able to find showers and are you still able to find food okay because remember grocery stores are still all open we can carry food in our trucks we've got fridges in the truck what's going on why is this always in the news let me know down below in the comment section I'm fine anyway and I've been fine this whole time but maybe that'll change I don't know we'll see what happens thanks for joining me today I was going to take us up to Kappa's casing on this vlog but I think we've talked long enough about our coffee situation because I've been very excited this is for me so we'll start right here tomorrow thanks for joining me don't forget to subscribe so you don't miss tomorrow's video


And we should be live I'm waiting for that update. All right. Great. Looks like we are alive. So hello and welcome everyone thanks for coming to this edition of the Community of Resilience and Sustainability Conversation Hour and thanks for being patient with rescheduling. We had some scheduling issues So so glad that so many more of you could make it to this time. So I think serendipity was on our side So I'll go ahead and hand it over to Maggie to introduce herself and then I'll go over some logistics. So thanks everyone Maggie over to you Hello everybody. I am Maggie Dennis the vice president of Community Resilience and Sustainability. I Want to welcome you all and say that we're looking forward to talking. We have some pre-submitted questions that we will go through Happy to talk about Any topic within my realm of responsibility? I do have some parameters I can't talk about specific cases And if there's something that I can't answer we're happy to see what we can do to find out Also, there's someone in the room with a Santa hat on so I am very much enjoying that Back to you Jackie All right, great. Thanks Maggie All right, everyone. So hi again. I am Jackie Kerner. I am the community the communication specialist for Community Resilience and Sustainability and thank you for everyone who's joining us live and Hey there to everyone who's joining after the fact With me in the room. We have several staff members who are available to ask questions So we might pass back and forth to see Some different perspectives and insights. We're going to take questions from YouTube and in the zoom room So if you didn't pre-submit your question, please do not worry You can go ahead and submit that if you are in the zoom room, you're welcome to Ask your question live. I'll go ahead and you can do one of these in the chat And I will get you in the queue or you can use the raise hand feature whichever is most comfortable And on YouTube, I will be sharing links from the zoom room on to YouTube So there might be a little bit of a delay, but I'll get those links over to you soon And if you are asking a question, please keep your question clear and concise because we have usually a very full hour And we do have a quite a few questions And if there are any questions, we don't get to we'll follow up in writing afterwards in the notes And a reminder to myself and anyone who has a great comfort level with English Please slow down when you're speaking because we have a very Very comfort level of English So speaking slowly and please if we do speak quickly it's Maggie and I are native English speakers Just raise your hand and ask us to speak more slowly We will not be offended and we'll actually appreciate that flagging and I do want to remind everyone that this space is covered by the universal code of conduct and encourage everyone to have good discussions and Keep it in the mood of the discussion And please ask those questions and let's go ahead and get started. Are you ready Maggie? All right, let's do it. Let me grab the document that I've taken the pre-submitted questions. I'll start with one of those All right, so our first question What does trust and safety do? When the universal code of conduct violations are reported as happening between chapter members Sorry, I have a cat joining here. Apologies Or between employees of chapters and the chapter leaders Do you have any advice for chapter employees who feel they've been mistreated by their managers? Especially if they have reason to fear retaliation. That's a long one. So I'll post that in the chat and I will post the question on YouTube for anyone who would like to read that because I'd be more comfortable All right Maggie, please go ahead Thank you, that's a complicated question. So I will try to do my best with it UCOC violations That occur on our sites may be looked at by trust and safety no matter who's involved in them They do typically tend to rely on local Admins local arbitration committees to handle conflicts within their own realm But if it happens on our sites and it is Particularly if it's egregious enough to violate the terms of use then trust and safety make it involved What happens is when a report is turned into trust and safety the trust and safety team evaluates it to see if it falls within their mandate and then Proposes to the foundation's attorneys whether we should or should not take the case if the foundation's attorneys agree that it's within the Mandate then it doesn't matter Who is involved? It will proceed now it's different when violations happen offline or In spaces that are outside of our direct ability to observe her control and what happens between chapter members is probably best handled between Within the chapter's own conflict resolution processes if it's not especially on our our wikis between employees of chapters and the chapter leaders is obviously Harder because if the person who is supposed to be adjudicating issues is involved We don't have many processes at this stage to deal with that kind of problem it's something that you may be able to take up with the affiliations committee or trust and safety might be able to help it depends on the nature of the conflict and It may also be something that has to be handled with in local Employer employee dispute resolution Processes, you know, like there may be laws in the country that you're talking about there may be processes within the country that can help so There's there's complications Internationally when it comes to chapters and their employees Chapters are independent entities. The foundation does grant them access to Trademarks, you know, and they do have the ability to seek grants But in terms of internal employee matters, they have very little real influence In terms of advice for chapter employees who feel they've been mistreated by their managers, especially if they have reason to fear retaliation Well, I wish I had a magic wand but Without knowing again what local laws what local options there are for people who have general employment disputes in a region I think that AFCOM is probably not a bad place to start I will say that AFCOM is not particularly set up to handle these kind of conflicts but nobody else is either and They may be able to help or they may be able to recommend another help option If not, you can always write to trustinsafety at ca at wickamedia.org As mentioned, there are limits on what they can do, but in the absence of a clear pathway Sometimes we just have to try and do our best I think I'm I think I'm done All right. Well, thank you Maggie for that Thanks, Nesma. Nesma shared the email address for any sort of reports in the chat in zooms I will paste that over into YouTube In just a moment. I'll get it started on our next question So Maggie, our next question is To whom should a person speak to report mismanagement of funds or other malfeasance within a chapter? Once again, AFCOM is is a good place to start although if the funds come from a grants distribution from the foundation the foundation's grants team is a good Good contact point if there's other forms of malfeasance that might cause problems with the trademark agreement Contacting the legal department. Not sure if there's a better address, but they can be reached at legal at wickamedia.org It's it's always a good place to start. All right, great. Thank you so much Maggie All right now this next question It relates to the access to non-public data personal data policy in 2021 the legal team suspended NDA recognition to applicants who live in Jurisdictions that have blocked access to wickamedia projects The legal team noted that this is an immediate solution and there will be long-term solutions After two years, could you share any updates with us? That announcement was September of 2021. So that's where the two-year reference has been. I'll paste this question into the chat Okay I Can't at this moment because the lawyers would be the ones I'd have to ask but I can ask the lawyers The one who I can usually type to when I'm in a meeting who can answer me immediately is off on paternity leave but we can definitely do follow-up after the call and get back On meta with the answer to this question as soon as possible Very great. I will note that for follow-up afterwards. So we don't forget that Um, let's see and the next question we have Some wiki sysops and also non sysop users may access users ip information or other Personally identifiable information Uh, when processing requests for unblocking account creation, etc Is nda required for these users or do they also need to meet other requirements? So I will post that in the chat So to the best of my knowledge, um Like the non sysop users like like account creators wiki sysops who have access to this information all must sign ndas This is again This is more of something that legal manages although the trust and safety team operates it in some cases trust and safety are like The hands to the legal body I'm not aware if there are other requirements, but I do I do know that nda is required for For people who have access to that information And I'm sorry if I didn't if I didn't answer specifically what's wanted. I'm happy to take a follow-up All right, let me grab the next question These are all very Very good questions if we need to follow-ups. So thanks everyone for sending such thoughtful questions When the foundation reviews a potential advocacy issue in support of wikimediants persecuted by government authorities and finds there are safety issues preventing public advocacy And there is a grassroots desire among the community to go forward with such advocacy With or without the foundation support by those who still want to do And be sensitive to safety issues Is it appropriate to make an exception to the policy of discussing individual cases? So the community can become more cognizant of the safety issues involved So i'll break this into two parts because there's an if not but let's start with part one Okay I just paste it in the chat Thank you All right scanning over it to make sure that I've understood it all So there are certainly occasions where the foundation is not in position to take public statements I think that most of you are aware that there have been cases where users have been imprisoned in some jurisdictions Where there has been a hope that the foundation would Agitate for action to be taken and we our human rights team, which is small but very experienced I'm really proud of them Has relationships with some pretty prominent advocacy organizations around the world who help guide us in what we do The foundation's mandate is pretty clear in terms of as a nonprofit how we use our funds and how we conduct our activities So there are some limitations to what we are supposed to do outside of advocating for and producing free knowledge sources there are also Factors that the foundation thinks about like If a person is in danger in a jurisdiction And the foundation becomes a powerful agitator for that person what happens to other people in that jurisdiction What happens to other admins on the wiki where an individual has been targeted by a government or or such So our hands are tied in some cases. This does not mean that the communities hands are tied So in terms of what we would discuss It would not I cannot think of too many occasions where it would make sense for us to to publicly broadcast Why or what's going on in a way that might actually cause the danger that we're trying to avoid But there are certainly some circumstances where we may be able to talk to trusted users stewards arbitrators user groups to work with them to understand the circumstances better And to perhaps support them in ways to take action It has to be done with a great deal of delicacy because the safety of our community is my top priority And that includes those who are immediately directly impacted and those who may be And i'm complete with the first half Okay, I think you've made a great segue into the second part. I'll go ahead and post it If not in what other ways can the foundation help community members Convince the public advocacy such as letter writing campaign is a necessary part of securing An early release of the victims to understand the safety issues more fully. Let me rephrase that so it's a little gentler so if not The open advocacy in what ways can the foundation help community members to understand the safety issues more fully Well, I mean in helping people understand the issues more fully the best the best approach that I've really come up with And it may not be the best and i'm always open to hear more ideas Is is just talking kind of broadly about some of the concerns that we try to juggle About some of the reasons why we may not be as public with our advocacy as people would like us to be I wish we lived in a world where sharing knowledge was not radical and where it didn't get people in in such severe danger But in nearly 12 years at the foundation. I have seen that it is truly problematic at times and in fact In many ways, I would say it has grown worse in the last few years I I've told people that the foundation used to struggle to be taken seriously because wikipedia was Not accepted as a as a resource now it is and one of the side effects of being taken seriously Is that we and our users are seen as a serious threat? um In terms of of what else we can do to help There's there's a page on meta. I'm sorry that I do not know the the link offhand But we can get it for when we post the the notes There's a page on meta that talks about use of resources for advocacy and how that is done So, you know, like like banners or other use of movement spaces There may be situations where the community chooses to do something that the foundation is not involved in But it it might still be appropriate to use movement resources I'm also Frequently happy And I know my team is as well to talk to people who who want to pursue these goals Um, I know that there is a great deal of room for disagreement on how how these things are best done I know that uh, some people will simply disagree with the directions we're choosing and I respect that um, I will say that One of the things that we have seen in the last five years In the movement that I did not really know to be an issue before is infiltration So we we are aware for example that some of our communities have had infiltration from people who are Interested in defending their truth at all costs And uh, I can't always know if these are the ones who want to talk to me. So um, I have to be careful And that means that there may be some things I simply can't say Sorry, sorry again. I I don't have a magic solution No, thank you Maggie and jack posted the link. I believe to the global global advocacy resources I think human rights has some similar tips On their page as well. So I'll work to find that or jack seems to always find things faster. So maybe jack We'll find that faster Um, so here's the next question What would you say to those who find the authoritative research literature strongly in support of public advocacy? As the most effective and indeed necessary means of supporting such victims So I'll share that in the chat Thank you because I have to admit I got distracted looking for the link. I was talking about And and I found it. So if somebody could post that on youtube, I'd appreciate it Um Thor it's strongly in support. Okay. Uh, yes, as I said, there are differences of opinion and we have as I mentioned We have partners in this field who also disagree on occasion So, um I would say I respect you I'm sure that the the people that you're citing the researchers. There are many who agree with you Some of them may not be taking into account Our own context, you know, what we are here to do how we are here to do it the fact that like Um amnesty international for instance Everyone who joins the amnesty international sort of knows what they're doing Some people come to wikipedia because they want to create articles about pokemon and uh, they didn't necessarily join an organization that was suddenly going to Make their own country angry with them So we have to think about informed consent of our volunteers and whether or not our activities are going to put people in danger Who didn't come here expecting to be in danger that ranges from children, you know Not that we officially know we have children on our sites, but we all know we have children on our sites um to I mean, we've seen family members of of users threatened. So the risks are real So that's I guess what I would say is I respect that I understand that and I do understand the wisdom of the approach I don't believe that the foundation is always the best organization to do it And one of the things that we do is partner with organizations who are who can carry batons Where they need to be carried. Um, I'm going to ask our Lead for human rights if he wants to add anything, but he doesn't have to he just got back from vacation y'all No, thanks. Maggie and uh, thanks for the thoughtful question Now um I am also a university professor of teaching human rights And while there is a strong body of scholarship out there, which does indeed say that naming and shaming Which is what the question is talking about is effective. There is also it's contentious. How effective it is anymore was Very effective in the past whether it's going to be effective going forward It's certainly up for at least scholarly debate and I would just echo what Maggie says Um, you know, there are advocacy organizations like amnesty international for example many regional human rights advocacy organizations Which are better placed in terms of their networks. They're reached their name recognition as human rights advocates To actually be able to do the public advocacy Um, which is being which the question is focused on it would I'm not sure how effective the wikimedia foundation is as a human rights name In terms of actually successful advocacy and I think that's something to keep in mind if we're talking about helping people We want to be sure to make the strongest impact and that impact is going to come from the organizations again like amnesty and other You know international human rights watch and regional organizations access now and so on that have the already have the name recognition in the field already have A broad network of peers and media contacts in human rights and back room at you know advocacy with governments present So with regards to this question, I think it's really important That you know We do have partnerships in relationship with these organizations and that going the route of the where the you know expert advocates Are for human rights is probably most effective to protect our community Hopefully that answered your question and it's a very interesting scholarly debate If you are curious to deep dive into the literature It's very interesting to see how that's going with the winds are shifting a bit on with their name and shame Is the way to go forward Thank you Cameron And thank you all for participating in these very heavy intense questions We're going to shift a little bit here Maggie to trust and safety So trust and safety now has a case review committee who can review many of their cases What can be done when a movement organization like an arbitration committee Or an affiliate investigates an issue Oh, sorry, I skipped the line there. Let me go over to this one where bigger text is is helpful Getting to that age y'all where I think I might need some readers All right friends. Let's start again So trust and safety now has a case review committee who can review many of their cases What can be done when a movement organization like an arbitration committee or an affiliate Investigates an issue in their community and a person isn't satisfied That the outcome was fair For an example, if there is a concern about the validity of the evidence submitted Or to whom a person can Can turn to for review I'll share that in the chat Okay well Some arbitration committees, I believe have their own policies for internal review. I don't know if they all do I do not know how many affiliates have review options, but I do believe that there is Something going on in the universal code of contact land. I'm not as familiar with it though as my team So I'm going to ask I'm going to ask for For You're on camera. Can I call on you? Yes. Okay. I'm going to ask nezma who is our lead manager trust and safety to speak to this Yeah, so first of all, thank you so much for the question. My name is nezma. I support the trust and safety team um at the moment we are moving closer and closer to having the final draft of the eu4c charter And that will be building up the foundation for the universal code of conduct coordinating committee So the eu4c part of their responsibility is to handle complaints and appeals When communities are for example Not maintaining the universal code of conduct if the local self-governance has Not been able to support the universal code of conduct or deal with the universal code of conduct issues So that is going to be a place where a level of checks and balances will be able to be set up But this is obviously hyper focused on the universal code of conduct and the enforcement of the universal code of conduct Obviously arbitration committees, for example Do not only look at the universal code of conduct as the baseline, right? There are other challenges that do come up in arbitration committees So I do I do think that the eu4c will create that opportunity of creating another level of appeals when local self-governance has not Been you know has not been working for example And you know providing another appeal option. It's important to I'm going to say this again that it's hyper focused on the universal code of conduct And there are pretty clear rules about when the eu4c will get engaged in appealing for or supporting appeals or reviewing appeals So that will be up to the eu4c when the election Happens in the new year Which is like the aim for the spring of the new year Right now the focus is the universal the eu4c building committee has built up the charter Which was in community conversation over the summer and will be up for vote in the new year And so I think that is going to be definitely a place another space essentially to be able to get another opinion From the you know from community members, right because it will be an elected body Focused on that focused on appeals on investigations, etc So I think that is definitely going to be a space That will create a level of the case review committee, right? Because the case review committee just in case people are not aware Looks at appealable cases that the trust and safety team works on So that will be my answer Well, thank you, Nesma All right friends. I want to take this moment to remind you all That you can ask questions in the room So I really encourage you to do that Because you're all are here. So let's have your questions. And if you're in the youtube Watching the stream, I'm watching the chat. So feel free to ask your questions there as well So if you're in the zoom room, feel free to raise your hand or you can send the message to me And I'll voice your question. No problem And feel free folks on youtube to Ask those questions as well All right, let's go ahead and go on to the next pre-submitted question And thanks friends for submitting so many pre good pre-submitted questions this month. This is this has been great And unfortunately Maggie we're going back to human rights. We're making this one a heavy one y'all But these are all all good questions. So thanks for sticking with us friends Hi, what if anything can the human rights team do to support people who face different kinds of crises than you've described I know the team provides support to people who face persecution as a result of good faced Good faith activities on the sites. What about people in war-torn countries like currently in palestine? As Maggie has rightly said Um, there's very little that we can do in a war zone I compared to you know, local organizations international aid organizations humanitarian Organizations that are already present and on the ground Um, and I want to just preface also, you know, say that I have friends on both sides of the conflict Who have also lost family members on both sides of the conflict Um, and our team, you know, also the human rights team also has people who are impacted So this is not something that's way, you know, so deeply distant from us Um, but what we can do is, you know, first and foremost is, you know As we've done is reaching out to the communities and let them know that we're here On that they can contact us. They can talk with us.  We've also done in a You know, large amount of, you know, different activities as we can do as I mentioned, you know, reaching out to the community, you know Joining the keep it on coalition To advocate for keeping the internet on, you know, as it's been restricted in Gaza numerous times since the conflict began Um, we we sit down and we meet when the conflict began and map out what can we do with the resources that we have With the threats that are being faced or the threats we anticipate Are going to emerge and how can we best meet those? So I I don't want to take up the whole session But that's what we do. We do try to do everything we can do to support the community given The limitations of the team and the fact that we are not a humanitarian Organization that can't actually, you know, be on the ground. So I'll share that link with you in just a moment Though hopefully that kind of give you a sense of the question But that you understand that we do sit and meet and try to do everything that we can do within our power Thank you Cameron for that And I want to hopefully share this this resource with you all recently the As of maybe six months ago. Yeah, has anybody asked about unicorns and puppies yet somebody let's look back to the conversation about cookies We were talking about before please Everyone share cookie recipes your favorite cookie Favorites comfort meal We'll just make a big bowl of that and eat that right now. So Friends in the in the chat. I'm going to share mental health resource center The human rights intern about six months ago Created a resource list. So I encourage everyone To check this out share it. This is a hard time for everyone We're all dealing with this from different angles and different experiences and Cameron. Thank you for sharing openly What you did Because I think that we're all dealing with the conflicts and have friends Dealing with conflicts. So I think that some of these resources might be helpful to Some of us on the call or some of us we know And it's always a difficult time When we're dealing with conflict, especially when we all care so much about this world Because that's why we're here working on free knowledge So thank you all for Taking such time to care for each other So let's take a minute and take a deep breath. Oh Um I'm going to go on to the next question Maggie.  I'm ready. All right. I'll paste it in the chat here Um You had uh, you lead a team that oversees disinformation How would your team handle a report that a group was organizing editing campaigns on wikipedia language project With which their own country was at war Well, this is a process question. So that's a lot easier um So ordinarily a report would be submitted to uh The team I believe c a at is where disinformation reports go. I'm sorry. I'm a little disoriented still from some of these heavy conversations Um, it would be thank you. Yeah c a at wikamedia.org It would be submitted to the group and then they would take a look what what Our disinformation team is looking for is not incorrect information. It's not bias not in an ordinary sense It's not the kind of thing that editors can handle through debate Discussion through clarifying sources. It is in fact Um coordinated campaigns of disinformation. So they're looking for They're looking for evidence that there are people who are paid or there are people who are coming together and working with one another in an attempt to bias content And when that happens what they what they first attempt to do is work with local functionaries like arbitration committees Or talk to the stewards or talk to administrators in a project and make them aware But so much depends on the situation that they they see I would say that We wouldn't automatically assume that in such a case there's There's bias. There's there's an attempted Disinformation campaign going on because there are many reasons that a group of wikamedians might choose to Organize an editathon in a language for which their own country was at war including demonstrating some form of solidarity Uh, we don't know, you know until we actually would look at such a case And i'm going to ask nasma if she has anything she'd like to add As in her role in trust and safety leadership Yes, so in situations like this as maggie said, you know, you send a report if you find out about anything like this Or i've seen something like this send a report to see at at wikamedia.org and an assessment is made specifically focusing on if Active mis or disinformation is actually happening on the platform in a coordinated manner It is important to note that a coordinated manner could potentially also mean Uh an editathon if it's you know, if you use the language of an editathon, for example I assume this is referring to um a couple of situations that i've seen in the past Before like years and years ago related to you know, a nation state creating Um a similar language of an editathon, but it's focused on potential misinfo So the the the key factor here is that looking at if it's a coordinated effort to Misinform and spread disinformation on the platform And if that is the case then that is what is going to be looked at and focused on It is important to note that we have a team That is a team of experts focused on disinformation with also have with language capacities as well So if the language is an editathon, for example, which by the way, it is very true There are some circumstances in which you know Language of community building can be used as a method to also spread disinformation right as maggie noted earlier As we've become more and more reliable and viewed as reliable by Countries for example in governments It increases the risk right of language being manipulated and also shifted And so just wanted to note that there is a team of experts that hyper focus on this and are very quick to know when Um when something is actually a coordinated effort and even if the language is an editathon For example, we will be able to see a very very easily what the challenges are and be able to tackle that in right in relationship with administrators and community members Thank you, nesma All right, I want to take a moment and also Read a rate that we have time and space To Had more questions. We actually got through the list of pre-submitted questions even though there were very heavy questions We got through those in a record amount of time actually for the number of questions. We did have So I want to open up the space for anyone in the Zoom room to ask a question again You can message me directly if you'd like for me to voice that For you or you're welcome to unmute and voice your question yourself um, and I also I think I see a question coming up in the YouTube chat, so let me grab that and I invite anyone else Watching on YouTube to share their questions. So I'll give you all a moment to type up your questions Or raise your hand Okay, uh, yon shares in the uh, youtube, uh, I think clarification Um, doesn't this question for the last question Doesn't this seem like a mix up of countries and languages? You cannot be really at war against a language And if so, uh, would all editathons and english wikipedia and countries in which us is at war, uh With be uh, what this question was about I don't know good good point yon. Um, and and you are right, uh languages are seldom at war. Um, but The answer is the same no matter where people suspect bias so But thanks for thanks for pointing that out. All right friends. I don't see any other hands raised um and The question that was asked directly. Um, Maggie will have a follow-up directly Um, is what that person prefers with you. So they'll they'll email with you directly um And any other questions Or discussions we can discussions thoughts feelings Cookie recipes. I mean I still invite those please. I like cookies And also I'm feeling a bit unwell. So if anyone has any remedies to to get better Um, I invite those as well Unfortunately, I've got that touch of that virus that I think everyone in the midwest has for several weeks At a time. I'm feeling just fine, but it sounded a bit rough So any I see briskers hand Oh riskery did you okay? I see you pop up. Please risker go ahead uh Since there's available time and believe it or not, this is my fourth meeting in a row where we've actually achieved the agenda I can't believe it Uh, I just thought I would uh share a little bit of an update on how the uh movement charter drafting committee is going and Pitch out there to everybody who is participating in this call whether in the zoom room uh On uh youtube or watching videos afterwards That we do do community sessions. Uh, we had one at the beginning in december one in november one in october And we'll be doing our next one in february At which point we're hoping Hoping to be able to have some revised drafts for people Uh, and we're looking at you know, we have really taken the community comments very seriously and are really trying to Work with them and and meld them into what we are writing So We want to say thank you to the community. Uh, it has been really really helpful to have people participating In such a wide range of ways. We have ambassadors in various communities. We met with a lot of people at wikimania and Over the last few months many of our members have attended regional conferences Where we've also talked with people and learned an awful lot about your thinking So we are really appreciative of the feedback that we are getting from our our global community whether in uh regional conferences participating on in our open calls Uh writing on meta and we are taking it seriously. We are going to be having something coming Probably early february. Uh, we are meeting in person again at the end of january and We had our last official meeting earlier this morning And we are looking forward to a few days of Not having to think about the charter now So I just wanted to share that update with everybody and If you have any questions about about, uh How the charter is going what we're working on have any suggestions as to what we can improve Please let us know because we we really do want to hear from The people who to whom the charter will apply So I am complete Thank you risker. Uh, I I really appreciate the work by the way that you and the others on the committee are doing um I know it is a challenge to come up with something that works for such a diverse and global community And really also encourage anyone and just get everyone you can involved to make sure that what they are doing Reflects the best of all of our thinking We tend to Narrow down when work goes on a while it gets to be just a small group of the most interested And that that's not always where where we get our best outcomes We have 15 more minutes And I sometimes tell people that awkward silences are the best way to get me to tell everything I know So I do hope somebody has questions or comments or conversation Otherwise, you'll all know my social security number by the end of the hour Does anyone it want to share Something that they're excited about that they've done recently this year is we're closing This calendar year anything that you've done on wiki No, Cameron, you want to jump in and share Well, not on wiki, but the reason I'm so jet lag is I just got engaged. That's what I was doing on the holidays I went had a conference for representing wiki media And then decided to extend it into a trip because it was in Africa never been and we got engaged So thankfully she said yes, so just thought let's share that. It's a pleasant jet lag Congratulations, Cameron Very happy I also want to invite either Nazma or patrick to talk about what the u4c is doing Where where that work is although I look forward to hearing more about about your next project Cameron I can quickly share. It's kind of hard after hearing an engagement. Congratulations Cameron So the u4c building committee has finished up the final draft the final draft of the charter after the community feedback So we are preparing for a vote in mid january. So things are just being translated right now for review So it's an exciting time the building committee has been working really hard to get this to a final state I know how much folks Want a u4c to be set up, you know to be able to create those checks and balances And so we are almost there. So just a massive shout out Uh to the building committee for spending that time Thank you. And I uh, we we have another question that's come in so Jackie can read it or question her if you want to ask a few questions up to you Yes, I'll give a few seconds Person who asked the question if you would like to raise your hand and read it Otherwise I will Yeah, you don't have to if you don't want to be a scene on the youtube video. It's fine. Yeah I will go ahead and read the question If there is a sexual harassment that has happened at one of the wikimedia events, how does it need to be handled? I've read this link about the About a certain situation The chapter handled this by creating one-year ban to the perpetrator But by now the ban has expired. I also want to know What I can do to support And help the community member and make sure that the wikimedia community is truly a safe space for everyone So we're very fortunate today to have the person with us who handles our on the ground event safety work Before putting her on the spot though. I want to say sexual harassment at At movement events can range from Contact that might be appropriate in one culture and is into another All the way up to sexual assault So the answer is always going to be somewhat context specific But with that with that said uh nesma, do you want to talk about it as an experienced event safety professional?  Um, so in situations like this, um, often Different communities have different approaches to how long a ban could potentially be A good example of that is there is a recent issue that happened in a chapter of Of sexual harassment and the ban was actually five years for example Um, so what actually happens in these situations? It's important to note that the friendly space policy clearly states what is acceptable behavior and not acceptable behavior and action must be taken So that is one piece here, right? So then the how the community acts on it is one way Another thing that happens is that it surfaced to us the foundation. So mattering on the situation at hand Um, the you know, the severity of the circumstance how the community has been able to handle it We take the next steps to think about an event ban, which is a global ban Um, and so the global ban allows for if based off of the situation at hand If for example, the situation is quite severe or the community has tackled it But for example, additional measures are necessary We can move towards an event ban on an event ban would mean a blanket ban across all events Any foundation related events any community related events in complete space? There's an event ban And so I do think that the complexities obviously of sexual harassment from, you know, the unwanted talking Or you know reaching out to somebody To obviously the case of sexual assault the severity is what changes the level of the ban And it's important that no matter what the case is it's a maintenance of safe spaces, you know, we cannot also we cannot Unfortunately Promise a hundred percent safe space, but what we can do it's constantly work towards safer spaces, right? And I think that is the piece where the community working with the foundation is really important And often folks surface it up to us when they actually go through an investigation So that we can also assess on our end if this if it's necessary for an additional ban or additional measures To ensure that for example, if it's, you know, matter of a situation that the individual cannot actually attend any foundation wide events at all Moving forward and so I do think that the support, you know needed after a ban is lifted For example, if it's a year is a conversation that communities actually often have with the victim and the person that's actually being impacted And so that's why it's also a case by case scenario And obviously when we have situations where someone could potentially be a repeat offender That is also something that is put into consideration if the behavior continues that the larger ban happens Hopefully that makes sense there A tiny little bit of additional context For those who aren't familiar with the professional jargon and the immediate aftermath of an event Of an attack we refer to a person as a victim and of a sexual assault or sexual crime This is not a term that is preferred to be used long term Because it stigmatizes a person who's been hurt But for those of you who are familiar with the fact that we usually call people survivors when they have Moved beyond an incident the term victim here refers to a very narrow window of time The immediate aftermath of a crime Maggie I also follow up really quickly to state that if at any point I will say this to everybody right if we know if you see that A community member has actually gone through a ban But the behavior has continued and you know the maintenance of the self-governance processes have not continued to ensure safety of spaces This is a moment where you can refer to the trust and safety team That is partly what we're here for right so the times where if communities are unable to handle the challenge Or for example, the severity has risk has shifted You know, we are there to also be able to provide review And next steps on the situation at hand right to be able to maintain safer spaces in relation to our friendly space policy But also the maintenance of the universal code of conduct I just want to voice what Maggie put in the chat real quick and I do see your hand We can also help people connect with legal authorities for what's that's worth So Maggie and and Nesma. Thank you for speaking about that and thank you person who asked the question And considering safety of the whole community. Thank you All right friend with your hand up. Please go ahead Hello everyone, I'm Hari and I have a follow-up questions regarding Regarding what Raisha asked in the in the chat in the chat meeting and in the mini chat my first question is I haven't actually I haven't read the link Raisha link in the meeting chat If and and please correct me if I'm wrong if I'm not mistaken The chapter If the sexual harassment If the sexual harassment is happened in one chapter the chapter Is oblige to report this to the Wikimedia foundations? Is it correct? That's my first question. The second one is if that was correct If if that was correct and the and this Wikimedia chapter where when this when this sexual harassment happened we're not reporting this reporting the incident to the foundation what will happen to the chapter And the third one I would like to a response to what Nesma just Answered before or where the Where after the after the bed after the band towards the perpetrator is already ended and The community should the and the community should decide what what will happen next Towards this incidence What what what if the the Wikimedia of this actual harassment is very traumatized and Decided to no, I don't want no, I don't want to involve in any of wiki activities anymore What what? If that happened then what the community should Do or handle this kind of situation That's that that's all my questions. Thank you so much Okay, I think I I think I captured that and I also think I have to crowd source your first question I I am not actually deeply familiar with the chapter agreements because That has not been part of my work So I'm not sure if chapters are automatically required to report a potential criminal activity Or not does anyone in the room or on youtube know the answer to that question? If not, I will have to follow up on that part Each chapter agreement is unique. However, they are standard. I can link Okay, one of the chapters agreements in here. However, without they're they're all unique tweets chapter Okay, so I mean off the top of my head. The answer is I don't know And it might depend according to what jacks has on the individual chapter We'll have to check with a lawyer to see if they're required to report such things and if it's in their chapter agreement And they don't do it that I imagine that would Require some sort of penalty um and carol is sharing some links And uh, there's also a share from a member of the room of a general link So we'll have to look at that one But I will say in terms of your second question if the victim is traumatized and doesn't want to continue on wikimedia anymore I wish I had never seen that happen, but I have and it's not just victims of Of sexual harassment. It's victims of many different kinds of harassment or many different issues It's to the people who were mistreated In the absence of the ability to do that Uh, when I can only answer for myself when people come to me and they say after what happened to me in the movement I don't want to be here anymore. That makes me extremely sad. I give them my my empathy. I try to encourage them Um, I don't push them to change their mind because they need to feel safe where they are And I feel like it is incorrect for me to uh Make them doubt the severity of what happened to them I encourage them to come back if they feel moved to in the future I encourage them to reach out to me if they want to talk about coming back Um, and I continue to try to advocate for good policies and approaches across the whole movement to keep these things from happening Does anybody else have any input mesma anyone? In our last yeah, actually Yeah, racha actually brought exactly what I was going to say is that in relation to events Yes, it has to be reported. That's absolutely true. So that's actually what I was going to share Is that for events it does need to be reported for general situations that might happen That is obviously based off of the agreement that they have with the foundation Um, but yes, we do that's actually one of the things about how we're able to understand for the event bands as well Is that sometimes it's actually not happening at events that are foundation led events But actually community events and so that is why we are aware of situations that happen at events It is part of the agreement that you do have to let us know because it allows us to assess For events moving forward if this is something that needs to trigger an event ban So I just wanted to provide that clarity of there's a difference between Something that's happening at an event and how we focus on events compared to for example Activities of the chapter that are not event related that may also surface But the last point is as well is that if Unfortunately, as Maggie noted, there are so many people who have unfortunately left the movement because you're unable to engage after You know a case of harassment If you do know of a situation like that Where for example, we can provide additional support if needed For example, if things are not uh, the protections are not being set up Please reach out to us. We can be able to you know, do another review of the situation if needed Once again, it's after obviously the self-governance processes Have not worked and so I just wanted to also surface that as well There are limits of of course of how much we can do but we are Here to provide an extra firm hand if needed to maintain the universal code of conduct and our family space policies We are at time. So I'm going to take the liberty of saying how much I appreciate you all coming I hope that we make enough space for those of you who do show up to actually share your thoughts I value you and your presence And I'm sorry that this conversation our had such heavy conversation Unfortunately, that is the nature of trust and safety and human rights committee support is sometimes a happier place So I hope that you will all have good end of the year Those of you who are celebrating the end of the year or other holidays in the coming season I myself am off for a winter break and looking forward to it but I thank you for coming and keeping me company and talking about hard things because they matter Just want to voice that and say thank you everyone and invite you all to Unmuse your cameras go away or unmute and say goodbye to everyone Thanks for joining and being human together Sometimes that can be the most hardest And vulnerable thing of all it's so scary But thank you Maggie for opening up and being vulnerable with us and thank you everyone for opening up with these questions and Showing really how much you care because these hard questions Show how much this space means to you and how much we all mean to each other So thank you And see you all soon. Bye. Thanks all. Thanks Maggie. Thanks Jackie Thank you everyone