Baby, my first impressions of the Reebok Float Ride Run Fast Pro, the second video publishing today. So what happened today? I did a six mile threshold run in this shoe. I'll just say I held 520 per mile pace and yes, I tried to go basically fast in this shoe because this is a fast shoe. It's a very lightweight fast racing shoe. You can use it for workouts as well, but I would put it more in the category of a racing flat. I will just say this is not my full review. We'll do that. I don't know if we'll take this shoe to 50 miles, but we'll do that after two, three, four runs for a full review. This is just my first impression after taking it out for the first time today. And yes, I've been sitting on the Reebok Float Ride Run Fast Pro for two months because it's been very snowy here in Denver, Colorado. It hasn't been great conditions for taking this shoe out, but today it was 70 degrees. It was incredible, just beautiful out. And it was the perfect moment to take this guy out. And a little brief history on Reebok. I had no idea. This Reebok was founded in Britain. I feel a little bad. Sorry to all the Brits out there. I didn't realize that in 19, I think it was 58, Reebok was started alongside another apparel company. And I probably should have known that the company started in England and Britain because I guess the classic line of Reebok apparel has the Union Jack flag associated. I should have made that connection. But now the global headquarters are based out of Boston, which I think, I think new balance is based there is Sockney based out of Boston as well, or at least in the greater Boston area. So there's a lot of shoe running shoe action happening in Boston right now and moving on to some specs for the Reebok float ride run fast pro just over three ounces in my size. It's being advertised, I think for as 3.5 ounces just over three ounces. I think that's 87 grams. Correct me if I'm wrong about nine about let's just call it 90 grams guys three ounces. We're talking a very, very lightweight running shoe for the drop on this shoe from heel to toe a six millimeter drop and that's my wheelhouse. I I appreciate 10 millimeter drops. A lot of Nike shoes are in the 10 millimeter range, but I really love that six millimeter drop. So from heel to toe and for the stack height, we're talking about a 18 millimeter stack height in the heel and a 12 millimeter stack height in the forefoot. All right, let's move on to the upper. It is a so the fabric on the upper here is an engineered mesh. And it's I'll just put it this way. It has a ton of holes in it. And yes, I think Reebok's, you know, trying to eliminate as much weight as possible with a shoe, but you're just just holding it up. You can see there is a ton of a ton of holes in there. And I think on a really, really hot day, that would be really nice to get some airflow and ventilation through the shoe. So it didn't bother me at all like having those holes. And I'll just mention also the tongue is paper thin, really thin through the tongue. And again, it looks like it. They took one of those three hole punches and just put put holes through the tongue there. It took a little bit of extra effort to get the tongue situated on the top of my foot in order to protect the top of my foot from the lacing system. But it wasn't it wasn't too it did take too much time. But I did have to pay a little more attention because it is so paper thin through the tongue that it didn't just it didn't want to just lay flat on the top of my foot. No, no major issue there. And let's talk about that midsole real quick. It's P-Bax Foam P-Bax P-E-B-A-X. And it is patented that foam is patented by a French company. And I think it's pretty special, everybody, very lightweight. The big question will become as I put more runs into the shoe, what will be the energy return with this P-Bax Foam? Like, yes, it's lightweight, which is awesome, you know, through your gate cycle as you're trying to go fast. But will I be getting some energy return? So as you land on the ground, you want a little bit of spring from the shoe to be given back to your gate cycle so you can continue on to your next stride and your next stride. So that'll be the big question mark for me through the midsole. What will what will the energy return be? And then moving on to the outsole. I don't even know how else to describe it other than to say, I got to read this. The nubby outsole is yet another unique piece of the pro. Rubber is one of the heaviest compounds on the shoe, so the brand got creative. The team at Reebok figured out how to glue little pods onto one piece, the outsole, and then stick that to the bottom of the shoe. So it's just a 0.75 millimeter piece.  While it looks almost like a golf shoe, and actually as I was running today, I was thinking to myself, that outsole, it either looks like a tennis shoe, and then I was like, you know what, it kind of reminds me of a golf shoe. I haven't done a ton of golfing in my life, but it has that similar look to it. The spike-like PU pieces worked on every surface I tried, from wet and dry roads to wood slats to concrete to grass. So that's a little bit about the outsole there. So basically what they're trying to do is eliminate some of the necessary rubber through the outsole in order to save weight. If this was one piece of rubber on the outsole, it might weigh another half an ounce ounce, I don't know. So Kudos Reebok for really pushing the boundaries. A lot of times we talk about the midsole and the upper, but to push the boundaries on the outsole gets me pretty darn excited. As far as fit goes, I went a half-size down. Now this is going to be a racing shoe for me, and I'll just tell you right now, 5K, 10K for sure, probably more in the direction of a 5K, okay, fast 5K shoe. You could race a 10K in it for sure. Could you do a half marathon? You could. Yeah, you could. I think there's probably better options out there. And the heel counter, so this is the collar of the shoe right here, and then this right here is the heel counter. Basically, it helps lock down your Achilles area, your heel, so that you don't get any slipping, and sure enough, it did the trick today at 520 pace. I didn't feel any heels slipping through the heel counter. And last but not least, I do have to talk about the price. $250. Oh, I'm so sorry. It's really expensive. I think Reebok is putting their hand in the game to push back against the vaporfly, to push back, well, now against the A6 MetaRide. Like $250 is very expensive. So, oh man, maybe wait for a sale. I will say they put a lot of thought into this shoe, and I really appreciate that they are making an effort to push the boundaries with respect to the weight of a shoe. I appreciate, and guess what? The Cookie Chase 5K April 7th or 8th in Denver, I'm racing it. Yes, I will be racing in this shoe. Absolutely, absolutely. And my gut reaction, my final thoughts, would I recommend it? Absolutely. At $250, probably not. I managed to find a pair from the UK for $180. Don't ask me what website it was from. I'll have to look it up. If you really wanna know, I'll do some more research to find it. But anyway, so I paid $180. I know that's still very expensive. Is it a $250 shoe? Probably not. Like that's just too much money. But $180, yeah, now we're starting to talk about something. So, I am, I'm very excited. I don't know how fast I can run a 5K in right now, but I do believe this shoe is gonna help me get across the finish line as fast as possible. And the key word is float. For the Float Ride Run Fast Pro. And the question of the day, it's actually gonna duplicate from the vlog from this morning. And I'm also gonna ask one second one in case you already answered that in the first vlog. Basically, are you shooting for a PR in 2019? If so, what distance are you honing in on? Are you dialing into, okay? So that's the first option or the second option for the question of the day. How was your run today? What did you do? Where did you go explore? Maybe you did a workout. Maybe you did a long run. Maybe you did, who knows? Maybe you went up into the mountains. And there you have it. Okay, I'm gonna make a request. If you're still watching, thank you for watching this entire video. Could you share this video with people, runners that you know, who really are interested in shooting for PRs at the 5K and 10K distance? I'd appreciate it if you could just grab the link, spread it around on social media. Maybe you can email it out to someone because I do think thus far, now listen, I know it's expensive, but thus far, this guy's winning the cake for me in 2019 with respect to chasing down PRs. All right, that's it for today. See beauty, work hard and love each other.


Live from Las Vegas, it's theCUBE. Covering Edge 2016, brought to you by IBM. Now, here are your hosts, Dave Vellante and Stu Miniman. Welcome back to Las Vegas, everybody. This is theCUBE, the worldwide leader in live tech coverage. Leanna Kemp is here. She's the founder and CEO of Everledger. Leanna, good to see you. Hello, hello.  Good job, Las Vegas. Again, Stu and I spent a lot of time here. Why did you start Everledger? We know some might say it's my mid-life crisis, but the reality is I've been in emerging technology for 25 years. In the mid-90s, now I'm giving away my age, I was in radio frequency identification. So at the chip and inlay level, supply chain tracking, a bit boring, really. But in the last 10 years, in the last 10 years, I've worked in jewelry and insurance, and that's given me an appreciation of the size of the problems that exist in the market. And coupled that with a whole lot of nerd, we have the ability to solve the problems that we're solving today. And describe that problem. It's a problem of provenance and transparency. Is that right? Provenance, fraud, document tampering. And when you mix all of those together, you have a pretty potent formula for black market trade. And sadly, some of that trade is really running into terrorist-funded activities. So it's a pretty big problem that I think now is a very real issue that's washing the front pages of every paper on a daily event. Diamonds, of course, is one of the vehicles for anti-money laundering. And if we can go and serve to reduce some of those problems, then it's worthwhile getting out of bed for. Okay, so you're attacking the diamond value chain. Why that? Because I guess you had a background in jewelry, okay. How are you solving that problem though? Describe that in a little bit more detail. So attacking is pretty aggressive. I think we're enhancing. So we're bringing transparency in a once opaque market. You know, we're enabling with the use of technology to bring transparency into the market so that we can start to reduce some of the problems around fraud. When you really think about, I mean, most people look at us as a blockchain company. I liken us to an emerging technology company. We're using the very best of blockchain and smart contracts and machine vision as an enabler to be able to identify fraudulent related activities and reduce them in marketplaces. And we're just starting with diamonds, but it's really anything that is appreciable of value that the criminals like to maybe get their grubby mitts on. When did you get this idea? Like what timeframe? 2010, 2011, 2015? I'm looking to be honest with you. I think this has been a cocktail of experience that really has brought it together at the right time. So, you know, as I said, my background has been really unfolding like a patchwork quilt. But when you really see the heightened anxiety that's going on in market now, particularly around synthetic diamonds that are of gem quality standards, there's no greater time to be able to bring confidence back into the diamond industry and the consumer networks. I guess my question is that what point did you say, okay, blockchain can be addressed to enhance this problem? Did you look at Bitcoin and say, hmm, that's interesting, not a currency, it's a technology that I can apply to?  So, you know, I'm really, I'm quite bored with Sudoku. So I would rather sort of look at what's going on in the tech space. And so when I really saw the emergence of Bitcoin, I understood, you know, where that application could lie. But because I wasn't from a banking background, it was patently obvious to me that I could decouple the currency from the ledger and really use the currency as a vehicle or a tokenization of assets. And the assets is diamonds, a girl's best friend. So why wouldn't you want to protect your assets?  And therefore there were concerns that, you know, some of those inscrubulous people that are trying to benefit off of like diamonds would use, you know, this cryptocurrency, they don't have to talk to banks, they don't have to talk to governments. So you've almost, you know, flipped the usage of the technology to something to help the world a little bit more. That's right, I guess when you really think about it, you know, the Bitcoin has often been assimilated with the anarchic world. And we're really bringing it to clean and transparency. So I guess there is a juxtaposition there, but everything's upside down for me. I'm from Australia, so it's perfectly normal. In the, go ahead. Yeah, it's just, you know, when you look at blockchain and kind of that core technology, you think we're really in the early days, what kind of usage do you see out, you know, beyond the ledgers or there are other applications beyond the diamonds that you guys are looking at? Yeah, you know, it's interesting. So in the early 2000s, I worked in WAP, you know, and I was so excited. I thought, wow, this tech is really gonna do something. So, you know, I empowered a team of 30 in Australia and wrote out an application.  Just disappeared. There was a very real danger that this technology was likely to face the same ill fate. And we often see in any emerging technology where there are heightened promises, they often end in disappointment. So actually, most of the decisions I've made in a startup, we're only 18 months old, have really been counterintuitive. You know, when it's the time to put the pedal straight down, I've often held back to really wait to see where the maturity of the technology was gonna lie. And in any emerging technology, and if you're a CEO of a startup, you have to be completely articulate about where the problem is that you're solving. But not only that, you need to take the time to really distill the technology to its purest essence and then enable that to be the potent shot, you know, that goes out first and foremost. And so this is a nascent technology. And maybe, you know, it has the parentage of a multilingual PhD scientist, but the reality is it's only just been born. We're not even nappy-fed-y. We're not even out of our nappies right now. So we need to give it the time to really grow. And we've chosen a niche market. It just so happens that it's a bloody big niche. So what took longer to figure out the problem or the solution?  I don't know, that's a really good question, actually. I think the problem, for me, I understood quite early, but I just didn't appreciate the size of the problem globally. And the extension of that problem into other areas. And really I think it's taken some time for the technology to be understood. We've taken a view that we'd like to see ourselves with the custodian of the technology. We don't want to go to market too early. We want to be sure that whenever the message is delivered to market, that it's something we've already delivered that we have built, that the engineering effort has already been afforded.  And so for us, it's about ensuring that we take the time to really give the right fertilizer to the growth. And that's a $50 billion problem you said this morning. Is that right? Is that there? Just in insurance. But we have banks as our clients too, so, you know, we're shooting hoops. So you're saying it's a multiplier of that $50 billion? Of course. Yeah. I mean, counterfeit. I mean, counterfeit good, if you extend it into luxury goods, it's $1.7 trillion.  And then another one and a half acts at retail. Where's the, where are the holes in that value chain everywhere?  Effectively. You know, we don't have a visibility of complete provenance through the supply chain. And in fact, it's not just limited to the diamond industry.  You know, there's the backdrop of affluence. And then of course, there's the atrocity of what goes on in terms of, or what used to go on so prolifically in blood diamonds. You know, effectively the industry isn't as burdened with technology as say financial services. It doesn't have the legacy of 50 years of technology that it needs to unwind. So when you really consider what's going on in the market today to bring emerging technology into this space, not limited to blockchain, even enabling new technologies like high definition photographs and machine vision, our marketplace has the ability to consume that technology quite rapidly. And when you think about the problems in our market or the restrictions in our market, it's really a lightning rod moment for us where we've just been fortunate enough to be able to build out a solid engineering rod to be able to capture that lightning bolt of problem. We've had a lot of discussions with, you know, IBM executives this week and they feel security is one of the things that IBM does really well. Talk a little bit about your relationship with IBM, you know, what IBM does well, what they're good at partnering with, how is it to work with IBM? What they could do better? Yeah. Absolutely. Let's, you know, we, in the very first 12 months of Everledger, we managed to onboard, you know, a million diamonds and most people were applauding the efforts of our engineering team and we certainly applauded ourselves but Christmas was a very lonely path for me because I started to become shivered by the thought of what would this mean if I went from a million to 10 million to 15 million and then into rough being able to track 320 million carrots of rough diamonds across 80 countries around the world.  You want to be able to look towards a technology innovator like IBM that has been around and reinvented itself over a trusted 100 years and that transactional trust is at the very core of this fabric. So some of the things that you look at in terms of a startup, maybe actually too isolated. A lot of technology companies that are in the blockchain space are just looking at the blockchain fabric. But for me, it was painfully obvious we needed to stretch further. We needed to realize that we have to deliver this into a cloud solution. We have to deliver this technology in such a form that has to be secured and the security needs to really be from the ground up at the root source, right the way through to the front end. And there's no other partner that's actually doing that. There are other service providers in the space that shall not be mentioned, but there of course are just taking whatever nascent technology has been built and putting it into the cloud. IBM has really taken the time to sew together the right security fabric. And that's about scale for you, right? I mean, you wouldn't be able to scale without it. I sleep it not knowing that we have IBM. As a CEO, I sleep it not. My understanding there's a container technology that you're using in here. Most people I think in containers is security is one of the holes there. So how do you feel with the security of containers today? And maybe you can share a little bit about what IBM's doing specifically for that. Yeah, I mean the container services team that we've been working with and today I had the absolute privilege. It was a diary note moment for me to present on stage with Donna. Her background in security has afforded us the ability to really deliver this quite quickly. The work that they have been doing is recognised not only, and I touched on the surface of the three markets that are real concern or focus for us is fraud and theft and cyber. And when you consider the container services and the security team that's wrapped this around I really think that actually one of the silent winners in this is the reduction in cyber crime. And that maybe that hasn't been focused on too largely and the $50 billion that I was talking about was really around document tampering and the overinflation of insurance claims. When you really think about it, it's actually cyber crime that I think we could actually truly solve as a part of this solution itself. So explain again, Leon, how does it work? So each diamond has a unique identifier. It's got a fingerprint on there. How does it get on there? So there are existing processes in industry. There are two parts to the market. First is rough diamonds and the second is polished diamonds. And as diamonds are crossing borders as a part of international trade, they're often inspected by gemologists. Those that of course have received licenses in the skill of identifying diamonds. And that's a spot inspection, is that right? Correct, but there's also actual machinery. So there are certain types of science that have been applied and have been applied for a number of years. And one of the challenges that we faced with ourselves is to IoT enable the diamond pipeline. So some of these machines have been in existence. They're highly calibrated and they have precision. But that data is often black boxed. It's not indeed ledgered or stored for public view or even inter-office view. And so one of the tricks that we've enabled is the ability to take all of those data points, 40 meta data points, as well as the reputation or the expert opinion and lay that data into the blockchain. So we're layering really a reputation score, not only of the person, the machine, but also the diamond and the validity of that diamond. And that can only come over time with large aggregated data sets. Okay, and that is your provenance. You said the world's provenance is locked in paper. Right, seeing how you're locking into the blockchain. Of course. I knew we had to talk to you, we better listen. Okay, so, all right, so, and then can you explain the banking crisis, the liquidity crisis in the diamond business? What's that stem from? Yeah, absolutely. It's really affecting the middle part of the pipeline. We have very large mining companies and of course, quite substantial retailers, but it's the middle part of the pipeline that's really being caused in terms of a squeeze. And so they are the diamond cutters and polishes, really generational businesses that have perfected the art and the skill of cutting diamonds. It's the middle part of the pipeline that's really being affected at the moment. And as I mentioned, there are two brave Western banks that remain supporting industry. The largest, which has been really in industry for quite some time, is ABN Amrow. And proudly, they still remain, and Barclays Bank. But we've seen an announcement more recently, we've standard, being pulling back out of the industry for a lack of transparency and a burden on their balance sheet. This, of course, has come from Bazel 3 and some of the regulations that's been pushed down from them. And if we're able to take certification and extend transparency, but also bring certification to the next level to enable a collateral management system to be built so banks can take the security on the underlying asset rather than just take a balance sheet position. It will lift the burden on their balance sheet. It will give them security of the diamond, and let's face it, diamonds are worth something. And as I said, when you start to understand the true effect of rough to polished, to track the diamond through its life cycle and give security is something that banks are open-minded about. Yeah, it's okay. So it's not a chicken and egg problem. It's a transparency begets liquidity. Is that right? That's the premise, anyway, that you're testing, basically making that bet with your company. We know much time, but I want to ask you about your company.  You started the company, you said 18 months ago. Funding, VC, give us the low-down. Sure, sure, sure. So I mean, I came into London in October of 2014, and I was desperate to talk to insurers. And so one of the largest insurers in the London market is Aviva. And they had a hackathon at Google. So I thought, hey, this would be all right. I'm just going to Trojan horse the event and see if I can have a talk to the CFO and COO. So I went there, they opened up some APIs and because I, of course, had a technical background, I thought those APIs are hopeless. There's not much I can do with that. But if you want to solve some of the problems here, this is what you can do. You can take diamonds, take certification and put it on the blockchain as a way to reduce fraud. And at that hackathon, I was awarded the innovation prize, but the managing director of Barclays Techstars was one of the judges and came to me and invited me to join them as a part of their accelerator in London, which began in March 2015. And of course I thought, this is crazy. Why would I want to do that? Why would I want to be in London with a bank? It doesn't really make too much sense.  But in any event, I returned and participated as a part of the Barclays Accelerator and have been supported through the process of the acceleration. But Barclays is both a bank and an insurance company in Africa. So the penny dropped and we put our head down. We wore some letters off the keyboard and Everledger was born. And away we go. So Barclays funded in part? Barclays in the Techstars Accelerator program have a seed funding event, which is a part of the acceleration program for startups if you're chosen and we were fortunate enough to be chosen. And since that time, we've been, we haven't disclosed who one of our backers are, but we will in time. And so we've been funded by a selected name in industry and we're actually just about to go into our Series A. So we're looking towards that in the next number of months. We're not even in Series A yet. So you've done this far without even getting to your Series A. 980,000. Well, we have revenue. So this is my last startup. I had to go through an intervention with my family to enable me to be here. So this is it. This is my last. We've heard that before. I promise, right? No, it's true. Opportunities beyond diamonds? Or is that just getting too ahead of our screens here? Diamonds, watches, art, fine wine. You know, and I'm completely empowered by how do we bring what the diamond industry did so well in the reduction of blood diamonds and bring ethical trade really to the forefront of the mind of the consumer and also the mind of the financial services market. So, you know, for me, it's really around that part of the world. If that Nexus Point comes together, then I'll keep getting out of bed for it. Awesome. Great story. Impressive entrepreneur. Thanks for coming on the queue. Yeah, thank you. London's not so bad. Keep, keep, comment? No, London's probably watching. All right, thanks again. Keep right there, buddy. With Stu and I have a back with our next guest. We're live from IBM Edge in Las Vegas. We'll be right back.


RCR with Paul Brennan. Reality Check Radio. Friday morning at RCR is our political panel morning. Joining me, Marty Gibson. Hey, Marty. Good morning, how are you doing? Good cams later, the crunch. Good morning, how are you? I'm good, thanks, and Olivia Pearson. Good morning, Paul. Nice to be here again. Notice I was kind of more gentle with your name. Yes, you were because I'm such a lovely female.  Oh, no, we don't mind a bit of toxic masculinity, so long as it's the right kind. In the morning. All right, we're here to talk about some of the political shenanigans goings on, issues, whatever you want to say. Let's get straight into it. And what's all this about 16-year-old voters in local body elections? That's a new one on me, came out of the blue. On Wednesday night, Karen McEnulty pushed through or introduced a new bill under urgency. They considered, this is the new bill, it's called the Electoral Lowering Voting Age for Local Elections and Polls Legislation Bill. Who comes up with those names? I'm so asleep. Some genius. Locked into that little bill is a new category of electors, youth electors. And it provides a separate role for them, a new youth electoral role, to vote in council elections, and it provides for 16-year-olds and 17-year-olds to be registered on that role so that they can vote in local body elections. So why a separate role? Well, I don't know why, there's no explanation. There's no press release from the government. Normally when they're heralding new bills that are gonna do amazing things, they normally put out all these press releases, they seed it with the media, they do a big rah-rah, have their social media, but this has been kept very quiet. There's no reports of this anywhere in any of the media that are out there, except us of course. And if you're listening to my show yesterday afternoon, I did a mad rant about this. It big is belief that we're letting a generation or an age group of people that are worried about the planet boiling in a few years and at the same time can't work out whether they're a boy or a girl, and we're gonna let them vote in local council elections. It's just insanity. It's crazy. Well, 16-year-olds aren't gonna go out and vote in local body elections. So is this the thin end of a wedge?  Yeah, the only reason that they're going to... Jacinda Ardern always made promises about bringing down the voting age, didn't she? I remember that being one of her policies or things she was campaigning for back in 2021 around that time. And I mean, this is how they're doing it a little bit by stealth, is that they get them voting at the local body level and then in a couple of years time or next time that they're in government, hopefully they'll be out for a very long time, but they'll do a big campaign to make it an election lowering of the age for voting for the general election. And they'll say, they've already voted at the local body level, so why not let them go this far? It's very cynical because, you know, Labour and Greens have always been behind this idea of lowering the voting age, and that's because they want young people indoctrinated in climate alarmism to vote. It's that simple. I'd go back, I'd go upstream even from the Olivia and say that the part of the plan that goes before that is ensuring that we've got an education system that leaves over 50% of kids going through it functionally illiterate and enumerate. You know, that's an important piece of that too. Yeah, they want more clueless young people to vote. Yeah, so not only, you know, they can't read, but they certainly can't read and understand or the step above that read, understand and form a cogent argument against something. No, they certainly can't argue, but I mean, apart from that, apart from that, they don't pay tax, they haven't got jobs, they're brainwashed.  I do actually think that there's something very cynical about the whole of the great resets policies which all happen at a local body level. And I think this is another example, like 15-minute city, you know, they're bringing things in at the local level. If you see, sorry, if you see something like this come in, you can normally go back to the WF website and find its counterpart there. Yeah. I haven't tried with this, but certainly with the gender pay gap, that's right there. It's, there's always a counterpart. As I said, these guys are a screen and a keyboard. Hitler Youth. Remember, Hitler Youth? Well, not remember, but that was a useful tool, right? Yeah. Funny, my daughter and I were talking about this the other day, how corrupt totalitarian governments, authoritarian-style governments always want the youth, don't they? They do terrible things. Yeah, there's that creepy tendency to talk about how they're looking forward to these baby boomers dying off. You know, and you often hear people on the left saying that you'll be gone soon. And there's that smug, and we've got the kids. Oh, that's awful. I haven't said that. Mm, yep. How about a thank you for building such a secure platform to have such a great life? Well, the thing is, is they... They're not taught gratitude at school, Paul. No. They're not taught anything at school. The problem is, though, is that you're talking about, you know, the boomer generation being exterminated. Well, hello. What's happening now? There's not a big difference between, oh, I can't wait for these people to die, and I can't wait for these people to die. I've got to build some camps. Mm. But, you know, I think this is just an outrage on behalf of the government. They're sneaking something through under urgency, just a few weeks out from the election. Do any of the panel members have any confidence that Christopher Lux and Nicola Willis will overturn this?  Because I don't. Of course not. Of course not. Did they vote on it? Well, you know, they've got a majority in the Labour Party, so they can just shove that through under urgency. It goes to the third reading next week when I'm sure it'll be passed. There's been no coverage of any of their comment, though, in the media that I've seen up to this point that we're talking about it. They're in on it. The mainstream media are in on it. This will be the only thing, this will be the issue that only Reality Check radio covers, because the others are in on it. Who is this Karen McNulty, this creepy stare? John Ansel knows who he is. I've seen their interaction. Or should I say, Karen knows who John Ansel is? But what's his background? I know nothing about him. I know he's wired it up, but, you know, and he's got a beard. I know that. He wears shoes that are too big for him. I know that. He was so, he was one of those. He first came to my attention when they were pushing the Vax really hard to the young, you know, bribing them with candy floss and stuff like that. Remember those days in 2020? And Karen was right behind that kind of thing. Hence him getting assaulted by, not assaulted. Acosted is the word by John Ansel, which was rather lovely. Outside his caravan. Yeah, his, well, bus, whatever it was. His claim to fame is that he was a bookie for the TAB. Yeah, Bachelor of Arts. Yeah. His master's thesis was titled The Role of Political Positioning in Party Performance in the 2008 general, New Zealand general election. Oh, I wonder what position he took. Missionary. And it's reported that he was involved in the absconding of press gallery drinks in the boot of a car at some point. Man, there's something about a stair that just bothers me. You can watch him next time he's being, he opens his eyes real wide and doesn't blink. Maybe it's the PCP or something like that. Magic mushrooms. Well, the people that buy a wrapper like him, obviously. Dun-dun-ding-ding-ding. One can only hope that very few 16 year olds will take much of it and interest in local body politics. It's quite difficult to do even as an adult. But what happens, let's say all that goes through. There's an election which is a close run thing and it's determined by 16 year olds. How does the country cope with that? Well, how does the local body elections, the council's cope with that when you've got screaming 16 year olds throwing a pill. But people don't vote in local body elections so we don't have to worry about that. But at a national scale. Well, they haven't implemented that, but you just... No, but they will, right? They will. Absolutely. They're addicted to increasing their little group of controlled automatons by any means possible. So, you know, just like they're addicted to new taxes, they'll do this, they'll roll this out across the country and then we'll have 16 year olds not only blocking up the streets on school days, but they'll also be voting and causing complete mayhem in the electorate. Okay, we've got anything more to say about that. Just watch the space and we'll have to vote it when they try and put it out to the general election. A whole lot of kids recently won a court case in Montana blocking development because of its implications with climate change. So that's the next step. Yeah. And it's been cheered and it's set a precedent. That's come in here, you know, so. Come into a country near you. Yeah, child soldiers. Okay. Child climate soldiers. Where do we go next? Well, you know, stay local with air.  And frozen. Don't need the frozen. Yeah, but in 2026 is when they're going to do that. So it was an announcement of a potential announcement. They didn't know anything about how it was going to work. And here we are seven days later and they've just announced, they just announced yesterday that they're going to put a 12 cents a litre tax on fuel so that they can build 20 billion dollars of new roads, cycleways and other things that they've never delivered in their entire time and in the last six years. But here we are. We're going to whack a new tax on for you all. And they announced it without even a shred of sort of shame or self-consciousness that the $5 a week savings from GST has now just been wiped out if you fill your fuel tank up each week because a 12 cents a litre tax, of course is $6 for a 50 litre tank to fill up $6 extra in tax. And then they'll whack GST on top of that as well. So your savings from their GST policy have been wiped out and then some by these clowns. Yeah, I mean, they may as well just leave food alone. Why the obsession with roads? Why are they so obsessed with roads, all of these people? Because they like cars.  But we've got roads. Yes, exactly. But we need bigger roads, particularly in Auckland. We need more roads. I mean, has anybody ever tried to get through the Green Lane roundabout at five o'clock? Yeah, it's impossible. It's bad at three o'clock. Yeah, but people say to me, can you come to a meeting in town at three o'clock in March? No, that'll be no. My meetings occur between 10 and two and even the two o'clock one. I'd really like that to be at one so I can get out of the place. Going into town, most Aucklanders want to go into town like they want to catch cancer. Yeah, they're very expensive, though, roads, and we don't have much disposable as a country at the moment. Do you know what's more expensive than roads? Tell me. Trains. And nobody uses them. They want to have these pipe dreams of light rail to Albany, where they couldn't even build light rail to Mount Roscoe. But apparently, we're going to have light rail to Albany. We're going to poke some tunnels through under the harbour, put light rail, and everyone's going to take it. No, they won't, because they don't do it. They're always saying they're going to do things, especially in election year, and they don't do them, do they, because they're too incompetent and they don't know. They just don't seem to give us anything that's useful. How about 20 billion on the health system? Build some new hospitals. Get that sorted out. Well, instead of spending the billion... I'd much rather have that than roads. Didn't I? Yeah, but you come from Wellington, so you're going to say this. No, I've spent five years in Auckland. I'm across it, I know. But it's where you spend your money when you don't have much of it. Well, there's a whole lot of things that are what have seen maybe, so they spent billions upon billions upon billions of dollars on the COVID Recovery Fund. They could have built a... They're still promising they're going to build... $500 million on rat tests, remember? $500 million on rat tests, billions on all that stuff. They promised a new hospital for Dunedin. It's still in the ground. It hasn't even started. You've got... I understand Labour is about to announce another new hospital. You know, where's all this coming from? We're actually a poor nation now, not a rich nation, and they're spending like they're a rich nation. It's ridiculous. And also, they don't have the staff to populate hospitals. They're struggling to fill the ones we've got, and that'd be better off looking at the causes, or, shall we say, the main cause, of why our hospitals are clogged with sick people with all these... I wonder what that could be. What might that be, Cam? What happened in the last three years that maybe... The mystery. That was a bit different. A bit a little bit different, and then, you know, we forced people to take that, and... Did you think that's got anything? Candy floss for the kids. KFC, that worked to treat in South Auckland. KFC for some jabs. They'll always do it. All right, so that's another thing that we'll never be. Can we go to America now? Oh, you love America, Olivia. I know. Yeah, go to America. Let's go to America now. Let's go. Well, I mean, it's just so... It's just the ongoing saga of you guys... You think we've got problems, right? You think, yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, this is the country you want to see them rectified in, and if they're not rectified there, then there's not much hope for us all. But, you know, the saga continues with Trump's indictment, 4.0, despiteful and malignant lawfare against Trump continues now, and with 17 others, including Mark Meadows, who was Trump's last chief of staff, Rudy Giuliani, who everyone loves to hate, although he was a formidable... America's mayor. Yeah, America's mayor. And that great female lawyer, Sydney Powell, who, you know, had an incredible record as an appeals lawyer. So they've all been indicted, 17 of them, along with Trump and Georgia, on reco-charges. Well, they're the mafia. They're the mafia, don't you know? Yeah, so it's just bizarre, isn't it? Because since apparently there was this grand conspiracy to overthrow the freest and fairest election that America's ever had, you know? So nobody's ever actually seen reco used in this way before, so it's been quite a shock to lawyers looking on. And media are making much of the very small irony that Giuliani used the legislation to, you know, successfully go after the New York mafia, the five families, the Salerno's, I think, were the top then. And now it's been used on himself. So you're hearing a lot of this, he's been hoisted on his own, petard kind of stuff toward poor old Rudy. But the only irony really worth mentioning in this vein is that Trump and the other 17 brave souls who kept asserting that the 2020 election fraud happened in an extremely widespread way that is still not understood by the average American voter. It was industrial level fraud, every which way that votes could be defrauded, they were defrauded from dead people on the voting registrars through to USB cards, flipping the votes on the machines at precinct level. It was a very wide net cast in the six battleground states for fraud and Georgia was the most obvious, I think, because it was so caught on film. Remember, the suitcases being pulled up from under the table. How can you even explain that away? You know, while the Republican scrutineers were sent home, and then there was a water that's state farm arena. The anyway, it just goes on or the Water League, the Water League at State Farm Arena, yeah, which was nothing more than a leaky urinal, urinal, however you say that word. So you actually have a crime family here, the Biden crime family getting Trump and those other brave souls standing with him on RICO charges. And just to remind everybody that RICO stands for Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organisations Act.  Well, did you hear Glenn Beck saying that there are basically two main reasons that they were doing this? And, you know, Trump's facing ninety one federal charges. Remember, seven hundred years in prison, although they did take that. But he said the main thing is deflecting from the muck that's coming out on the Biden crime family to keep that out of the news. And the second the second one is just as a caution to anyone who wants to mess with them, you know, if we can do this to an ex president, imagine what we can do to you. Absolutely. Did you see Jonathan Turley is an American legal scholar? Says as a first criminal indictment of alleged disinformation. Yeah. Yeah. When are they going to when are they going to when are they going to prosecute Fauci under the RICO? Well, well, I mean, if Rand Paul gets his way, but you'll never do anything with Merrick Garland as attorney general.  He's got a creepiest voice.  But regarding the RICO aspect, I want to say this again. Nobody has ever seen RICO used in this way before. This is a new one. It's a new aspect of lawfare. And Tim Palatory, he's a former Trump attorney. He was saying that on the upside, one of the things that really jumped out at him is something that they call continuity, where the enterprise on a RICO charge has to have some continuous purpose as opposed to just being an isolated incident. And he said that as this is an isolated incident, it's one election and it all centers around one election. It doesn't actually meet the RICO standard. And he believes it'll just be dismissed. But remember, the point is not to get these things properly litigated. Yeah, it's just to dog to take him out of play. But look, it was the same sort of stuff is happening here in New Zealand, too. And people don't pay attention. And just the last two days, for example, there's been the donors in the donations case that the SFO took against National Party donors, Labour Party donors, right? They've been appealing their sentences. And what people don't even realize, because the media hasn't covered it, is that the same sort of gerrymandering with charges and then how the cases are conducted has happened here where the Labour Party donors who we remain nameless and are suppressed. And one of them was a we can't even say what that person was, actually. They they all got off and it sees in the judgment from the judge. They all got off because the Serious Fraud Office never went and got an independent valuation for the artworks that they said were sold at an inflated value. And so the judge said, well, you can't prove that they haven't been sold at an inflated value. You've got no evidence to show what the real value was. So I have to equip them. The judge said that. And the judgment was that reported anywhere. No, not at all. So we've got the ruling party's functionaries and donors getting off on trumped up charges that should never have been taken in the first place because the Serious Fraud Office just forgot. Oh, oops, forgot to get a valuation for the artwork. It's the same stuff. It's happening here as well as the United States. And your opening comment, Olivia, was just perfect. If the the bastion of the free world, which is what the United States is supposed to be, if they fall, so do we.  And that was such an important principle that to see them become them fall this far. It's very much like we're watch. It's very much like the time of Cicero, actually. Again, I say that because you're losing. The national collapse, the currency is getting debased. The immigrants are flowing in and they've got no stake in the nation. They just want to see what's there. It's all there. Well, let's just let's just call this for what it is, right? Because you mentioned Cicero. This is nothing other than prescription. Which is what the Romans used to use when they made person and they made them an unperson and uncitizen. You have to leave. You're not allowed to have fire and water within the boundaries of Rome and you're prescribed. The state would take everything from you. They would deprive you of liberty and you had basically twenty four hours to get out of the boundaries of Rome, which, of course, we're ever expanding in Cicero's time. He he got caught on on the road down, you know, towards Naples. Let me think that's what they're doing to to Trump. They're prescribing him. They're tying him up with all of the stuff, essentially locking him up, wired and legal, legal battles so we can't fight the next election. Aren't they risking a civil war? Yes, they because this is constitutional crisis level. That's that's where they're going. There's no I mean, you know, they've had them before. But remember, probably remember the most probably the most famous constitutional crisis ever was the Barons and what 1215 England when they got King John to sign Magna Carta and he signed it and then immediately just just ignored it. You know, you got to second Barons war as well. Yeah, you know, exactly.  And in a constitutional crisis, look, it's probably what they need. But in 2020, that election was so obviously stolen. But look how far they're going to make sure that Trump is not allowed. No American will be allowed to accuse the government of fraud.  It's anti First Amendment, everything where this heads, though, is the same laws being used on them. Yeah, well, that's what Alan Dershowitz said, right? You know, this doesn't pass the Banana Republic test. If you took this to its logical conclusion, half of Congress would be in prison. Yeah, it'd be the end of Mitch McConnell for sure. Yeah, yeah, pretty Dershowitz has been such a soft cock toward the left for all these years with his liberal policies and liberal aspects of law. You know what I mean? These people really annoy me.  Too late. There must be a lot. There must be a lot to hide. There must be a lot to hide for them. Oh, there's a lot to hide.  And it must be very bad. Well, and this is the thing, too, is that Vivek Ramaswamy said on Twitter after hearing that the fault. Remember the Fulton County posted the indictment on its website when the grand jury was still convened? Yeah, I mean, this is like they was already choreographed, but they got the timing wrong. Well, that's that's that's the fixes in, as Lindsey said on his show that he got that bang on. And but Vivek was saying that, you know, Trump should since the four prosecutions against Trump are using novel and untested legal theories like Rico. It's fair game for him to do the same in his defense. Yeah. And so Vivek was saying that he should immediately file a motion to dismiss. And Mark Levin came out and said that they actually need to appeal to the Supreme Court to stop this because it's obvious election interference. Yeah, there's a term he used. What was the term? I've got it written here. We wrote it down. He's I mean, it's it's amazing the extent to which the the the Biden story is coming out. You know, they've got the money guy now whose name escapes me as well. And there's about 20 million dollars in bank transfers going to various the big guy, the big guy, the big guy, the big guy, the big guy, the big guy. The one with dementia and and yeah, these indictments are filed very quickly after something new comes out. So the next day. Yeah, bringing it home to New Zealand, just the silence from the media here really brings it home to me. How yeah, we're riding this all the way down. How secure are our elections? Oh, we've had this conversation. No, no, but you got to ask. You got to ask. I think they are. I mean, you know, I've been involved in elections since I was in Nappy's. Well, I can put this to meant what he said that it's right for a juicy hack just before the 2000 and was it 2020 or 2016? He visited here. Yeah, I remember that. Look, it's just too hard. It's just too hard because there's too many. You know, we we have scrutineers in all the booths. Yeah, I know we've been through this. I know we've been too hard because everybody in the major political parties knows what the numbers are, so they know what they are in the booths. They know. And so how do you hijack that between the booth and the returning? Yeah, but look what happens when you say that it's it's been rigged. Look, look what it's so obvious. The video is there in America. Everything's there. It's not enough. Yeah, but but Paul, honestly, in New Zealand, you couldn't do it. I guess you just get all the two major parties to do virtually the same thing. And so it doesn't really matter. Well, I read I read a really interesting document the other day. It was really, really long, but it was it was the discovery of exactly the mechanism of how they did the fraud in the states and the six battleground states, especially, and it was at precinct level. And it was the flipping of the votes on the machines. But we don't use machines. No, I was going to say so unless our system runs in that same way that they did. Yeah, well, Pam's explained it's quite different. Honestly, it's it's it's really it's real conspiracy level stuff to talk about it in New Zealand. For a start, you know, we we got too many people that that are involved in the process that no other people would talk about it. You know, the only sort of level of fraud that goes on in voting in New Zealand is plural voting, where someone, you know, I don't know, like Martin Bradbury and one of the elections was registered as Martin Bradbury spelled with a Y and Martin Bradbury spelled with an I. Now, I'm not accusing him of fraud, but he was on the electoral wall twice. Right. So you and vote often. That's the Labour Party's refrain. Vote early and vote often. There was a famous only hunger case where they had 42 people living at one address and they all happened to vote Labour, you know. So that can't be just one of one of one an electoral petition based on fraudulent plural votes in in who know. I still live there. But, Cam, would you say that it's impossible in New Zealand? Or would you just say it was not likely? It's very, very, very hard. I don't know. I watched up and I'm a film last week and they were doing all these calculations about whether or not the letting the bomb off in the atmosphere would set the atmosphere on fire. And the best they could come up with was there's a very, very, very, almost zero chance of it happening in the general who says, well, can't you make that zero? And he goes, oh, it's theoretical. We need to do it in practice and see what happens. It's a very small chance that it could be done in New Zealand. But I just don't I don't believe it's there's more low hanging fruit. OK, we don't need to end up with MMP. You can hijack the system that way with MMP. Yeah. All right. Shall we move on to the polls back to New Zealand? Yeah. And are we done with the US? I think so. I just I just wanted to say one little thing. One OK. And that was what Mark Levine was saying he was and we've made this observation before ourselves. But it's the process that's the killer, right? And they know it. And they're playing the process by unloading all these indictments by taking Trump off the campaign trail, by depleting his resources and by influencing voters. You know, and that's it's just a tarnish smear and besmirch him all the way through the election. I think it's going to backfire too. I really do in a massive way. Like his name recognition will be huge. People people like to have people to have a fair go. And they'll be sitting there and they'll be sitting there going, come on, this is this is unbelievable. We need to teach the Democrats a lesson and there'll be a bloodbath at the next election. Yeah. And it's as long as it's at the election and not on the streets. And the other thing is, you know, the Trump is an extremely loved president. You know, he can't go to a boxing match without being adored. He can't walk into a stadium without being adored. He can't go anywhere without people just swamping him, love bombing him. I've never seen. I've never seen. I never saw Obama treated that way ever. There is one problem, though, Operation Warp Speed, just saying. But maybe we should move on. No, that's easy to that's easy to. Well, it's easy to explain. He's still behind it, endorsing it. So that's a problem. Anyway, the polls. Back home, the polls, are they? Can you know about all the polls? Are they sitting about where you thought they'd be right now? No, all the polls are kind of aligning and it's looking like a National Act. New Zealand first across the line in opposition to the government parties and the racists in the Maori Party. I would I would have expected, firstly, that Christopher Luxon would be ahead in preferred Prime Minister polls. That the best he's done is draw level with Christopher Hickins in one poll. He should be ahead. You could have a situation where he becomes the Jim Bolger, the modern Jim Bolger who wins an election by accident, despite having negative favourables. He still ended up Prime Minister, but that was under first pass the post. I think National probably five to eight points shy of where they should be. This close to an election with a well, that's quite a bit. With a hated and despised government, and you can pin that down to the lackluster performance of Christopher Luxon and all his woke pals that are helping him there, Chris Bishop and Nicola Willis and all of them just totally wet and woke. You know, they they're moving around with a self-sustaining puddle that keeps all of their trousers damp. But and we're seeing in the votes that the people in the polls that people are starting to respond to politicians that are saying enough of this BS, we're sick of this woke stuff. We're going to start making a stand against all of this woke ideology, particularly the trans stuff. And you know, the person who's come out the strongest on that in the last couple of days has been Winston Peters, who's actually got a policy that says we're not going to allow biological men in in women's changing. He put it in a particular way, I think, yeah, yeah. He actually used the P word. He said we're not going to have people with penises in these in these rooms. And it was emphatic. And then he went further to say that we're not going to have it in in women's sports either. And if you are a sport in New Zealand and you are creating a place where biological men can compete on supposedly an equal footing with women, then we're not going to give you any more government funding. And I think that is a brilliant and brave policy. And there will be thousands and thousands of voters who were saying finally at last.  He didn't even rate anywhere. And all of a sudden he becomes the top, you know, female supposedly weightlifting. We're all sitting there incredulous, but these sports allowed it. We've got that the bloke who's who's changed his name and grown a pony tail and is now, you know, riding in mountain biking and cleaning up all of the female records and that it's that people think this is happening overseas and it's not happening in New Zealand. It's happening here. And we need to say no, we need to say stop. And it's the politicians that are saying enough that are going to start seeing their vote climb because everyone else is sick of the wokeness. I totally agree with that, Cam, because so many people they just want to see someone stand up for something that was sensible. And, you know, these boomers that didn't have a world like this had a really good world, actually. Before the next generation's really, really cocked it up for them. Yeah, they just want normalcy again. And all this stuff is so far out of the Overton window of normalcy that it's just frightening. And Winston saying that is brave. I mean, who would have thought that would be a brave thing to say? What a sad time we're living in when that's considered brave. But it is. And compared to Nicola Willis. Now, wasn't that just simpering wet drippiness from here? Absolutely. Well, that's it is it's they're they're wet behind the ears.  And this is remember, this is men impersonating women in order to have access to women's everything, sports, bathrooms and, you know, everything else that women hold sacred. So that is to say that Nicola is taking a taking a that's to say that they're not taking a position. She is taking a position. And that is that she and national are fine with this irrational and quite evil cultural nonsense. They're going along to get they're going along to get along. Yeah. And this needs the end. So did Stormtroopers, didn't they? Yeah, exactly. Don't want to punch that tar, baby. I know, but, you know. What about what about the issue of Luxon and is it pink and the Tova O'Brien comments? He's thrown another one of his colleagues under a bus. There was Maureen Pugh, I remember, and he's kind of done it again. Not not not very good. Loyalty, the public oil and Simon O'Connor. You know, it used to be the National Party prided itself on people uttering, you know, different views. And the leader would say, oh, well, you know, that's just Fred Fred. We're a broad church. That's just Fred being Fred. But no, now we get the tut, tut, the finger wagging, you know, that. Oh, no, that's not something that I've had words with Simon. I've had words with with Mr. Pink. Oh, it's also heavy, isn't it? And then you get the cringy apology. I'm so, so, so sorry. You know, they're not sorry. And just don't apologize. They're not sorry. Move on. And the nutters will be outraged about something else. And let's face it, it was just the media lovies that were upset that the skinny little, you know, failure of it of a journalist and radio host, you know, got smacked in the chops by by a politician. Yeah, what did he actually say? I didn't catch it. I think he said that she gave the ratings for today of him, and that's what took him out. But she could argue that you could actually argue that. Even even Mark Latham has had to go from pulling for from one nation. And you remember the comment he made about the homosexual? Oh, don't you? I can't say it on air, but I'll send it to you later because it's just so ball bouncingly funny. And and Mark Latham won't back down. But I think Pauline Hansen had to send him on his way eventually because it was a shame. It was a real shame, actually, because he's allowed his view.  Every opportunity I get to describe New Zealand's Labour Party.  He tried to shame everybody into not talking to me. Tried to shame. Nicky Harger comes up in every one of our shows. He really does. He's like, and now introducing Nicky Harger's spot. He's got a face you could punch all day long, though. But the point I'm making is that this cringy, you know, getting people to apologise for something that they said or did in the past. That was all in New Zealand. Kind of all started with that. You know, I got question after question, you know, you're going to say sorry to the Prime Minister. No, I'm not. You know, I expect the Prime Minister to come out and say, I'll talk to whoever I want, just like John Howard did in Australia when they were attacked over the exclusive brethren. John Howard said, well, the exclusive brethren, they're members of their citizens of Australia. And I talked to all the citizens, but no, John Key didn't do that. He went, well, I mean, and that solves it. Just saying that, right? Exactly. Yeah, exactly.  And then now he's apologised. He's admitted he's wrong, so he has to lose his job as well. I have said it's totally manipulative. It's it's it's the pussy-whipping of politics, actually.  It's so bad, but it's so. In fact, that's what women have bought to politics in the last 100 years, is this really wet, whiny apologise that is now so normal that it's a shock when someone won't apologise. And I can't bear it. I don't know if you caught Marie Buskie's counterculture interview with Josh Slokum, who writes the disaffected newsletter. That's worth listening to. He's talking about cluster B personality disorders and how they're basically infected politics and it's infected. You know, basically saying the people involved in these in these things like trans rights don't care about trans people. Feminists don't care about women. They they they want to get a fight. They want to fight. Yeah. And that's where the apology partly comes from. It is from this, you know, personally, the personality disordered people that we've left we've left in charge of us and in charge of the media.  I would rather than. Yeah, it's worse. Save it. And, you know, an apology. There's nothing wrong with a heartfelt apology that you do because you're not proud of your behaviour or whatever. That's quite different. But this is just manipulative and weak and emotionally undeveloped. I mean, what he could have said is, well, what bit of what my colleague said is untrue. Yeah. Because that's what happened. OK, just quickly on staying kind of loosely with the polls. I've seen an uptick could just be me in what I would call the hit pieces.  Is that a sign that there's a feeling of being threatened? The system is fighting back. Right. And they fear Winston because he knows how the system works and he knows how to unpick things. And they they want to control the narrative, especially the media. And that's why you see, you know, Hosking, Hosking's misses. What's Hosking and the misses got skin in this game? What does it matter to them? Well, I don't know. But then you have a look at Heather De Plessis Allen attacked Winston. You've got another piece yesterday by Hosking attacking Winston Peters. You've got Stephen Joyce having a piece in the Herald attacking Winston Peters. There's a concerted effort out there. Oh, absolutely. Richard Treble, Richard Treble, the guy who founded the act party, attacking Winston Peters. And nobody says, well, hang on, of course, they'd say that. It is a campaign, but there is demented as the Democrats. It's like acts banners that they put out. Right. See, David Seymour thinks that's hilarious. Nobody's actually set him down to explain that those billboards actually now look like Winston's billboards. And and all the people who see them are going to go, gee, that's a that's a good point that that nice Mr. Winston Peters has said there. And he looks so smart in that double-breasted suit. And look at that. Nice. My and look at that smile. It looks. Oh, it just he's just always a silver. Oh, I can't remember you. Yeah. And we don't get pulled again. That's a song that people know what that song means. Yeah. And we won't get pulled again. We're not going to vote for the National Party. We're not going to vote for the Act Party. We're not going to vote for Labour. We won't get pulled again. We'll vote for you, Winston. And that's what David Seymour has failed to understand and by attacking Winston Peters. We can't run a country if you're that dumb, can you? But also that what's her name? I'm sorry, the blonde with the Kate Hawksby. Her her hit pieces that she keeps doing. That's that's that's pure. Oh, that's our year. That's the Mrs. They sound remarkably similar, isn't it? Like she's it's it's a lot of those two have got the same voices. But it's the same thing when you see on on Twitter or X, as it's called now, where somebody says something positive about Winston Peters and you get some fool who comes in with. He he was the one who selected that one. They ignore that four hundred and forty thousand national party voters from twenty seventeen all ticked the Labour Party. Is that media programming? Is that media programming? Well, people say that because it's almost like line word for word. No, it's national party programming. OK, they they have this pathological hatred of Winston Peters, no matter what.  And then if you challenge them and you say, well, OK, on that basis, did Winston Peters select Jim Bolger in 1996? Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, that was a coalition negotiation. This is the insanity of the thinking of these people who are hostile. They come out with these lines. And then when you actually point out some salient facts to them, then they just resort to, oh, well, he just tells lies. Well, well, so does every politician. That other that interview you did, you did with Lee Donahue, right? Yeah, all of the redacted in the first candidate was was really revealing in terms of the degree to which that decision was shared among the board and the members and Winston Peters. I hadn't thought of that. It's like, well, these are the guys that's their party. It's not like he's making an arbitrary decision by himself. And that's exactly right. And people say, oh, he selected. He chose no, the caucus got together, the board got together. And they decided that, well, Bill English didn't have anything to offer. He wasn't negotiating. This is the best deal that we can get for our voters. And that's how it happened. Yeah, surely the thing to come out of that is that one side was were very bad negotiators to Bill English was negotiation. Yeah, you blew it, man. No, what do you say, Marty?  I said that about Luxembourg, I guess it could. I rate Bill English a bit more. We've run for quite some time, and I know we've got other issues that we're going to have to be very kind of selective in the duration we have left. Have we got anything more to say about the fallout from the BlackRock deal? Is there anything to say about that? I haven't. It's not a deal for a start. It was an announcement of an announcement that BlackRock was going to set up a fund. And Hipkins had to admit that under question. He said, oh, no, it's just an announcement. Yeah, it's an announcement. But the thing the thing I'd say about that, and I've said it before, is that the amount that that fund is about two billion is about what it's going to cost us to pay for our agricultural emissions every single year. Thanks to James Shaw mincing around the world and begging for them to be included, despite the fact they're not in the Paris Accord. So, you know, rather than just take our good luck that we've got 80 percent plus renewables and, yeah, we're going to pay a bit less.  So if we hadn't done that, we would have been able to use our own money to get to 100 percent rather than getting a sleeve caught in this. This is putting into perspective, Marty, right? You're right. You're saying this fund, it's tiny. BlackRock is worth ten trillion dollars. Now, trillion sounds like billion, right? But there's a difference. A billion dollars is one thousand million dollars. A trillion is a million million dollars. Yeah. So they've got ten million million dollars and they're putting two thousand million dollars into a fund, which it's Big Mac's chips and a Coke to those guys. Yeah. Yeah. Everything we do for climate somehow has to involve shackling our descendants with debt to bankers who print the money. We don't want to be first. We shouldn't be first at anything other than the Rugby World Cup. We shouldn't be first, right? We should be maybe fast followers, but never first, especially on things like climate change, because we'll just be bigger ourselves trying to say we're first. Well, our settings are on the worst case scenario still, as I understand it. You know, the predictions for the warming have gone backwards, despite the global boiling period, but we haven't adjusted our settings. Can I plant my pineapples and mangoes yet? Well, I mean, you know, when you say fast follower, I think we're going to be fast following Sri Lanka. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, we'll be fast following Germany without their power going up 500 percent because that's where the money is going to come from. It's going to be power prices skyrocketing. You know how we could lower our power prices? This built a couple more cold power plants and dig the coal that we've already got here so we don't actually have to buy it off to Indonesia.  I love doing that. Stick it in the bunker.  And I mean, that held our coal in winter. And we used to get it at school. It was great. The coal guy would arrive and tip it in there and that would fire up the boiler and the radiators in the classroom would keep us all snuggy. And it's part of doing your chores. You know, you see the news this week, though, there was all the schools have been told they have to get rid of all of their coal furnaces. And they've put in all this electric heating and they were bleating. They were bleating about how their power bills have now skyrocketed. Like, yeah, who would have ever seen that coming? And again, they could have bought the emissions to just keep those boilers for like two thousand dollars a year per school. Instead, it's it's cost them. But it's not a good look, though, is it, Marty? It's not a good look. We're not doing we're not doing our our bit. Oh, we need to be doing our bit. I want global warming. I want to be able to grow pineapples and mangoes in my back garden. Apparently, you can in Southland. Oh, well, don't know about Southland. But certainly in Northland, it's possible. I know that I talked to a guy who does it. It's it's completely doable. Good. So get into it. Don't move that winterless north down to the winterless south. Might not be. Well, there was evidence that Kumra used to grow around the wire wrapper. So it would have had to have been warmer, I think. Then and that was, you know, so it's happened before. I mean, the medieval warm period would have been. That's that would have been I'll have to talk about it. It's just a coincidence. Yeah, stop doing that. You'll get put on. I want you to apologize for that, please. That'll be a ricochet in public. Yeah, I'm so sorry. So we might not be able to get to the other issue, April. Is that the Chinese torture? Yeah, the court case that the full and gong have bought. Oh, no, let's get into that. Let's do that, too. Because it's great. Yeah, it is very interesting. So this story came up recently, which, you know, I just thought was fascinating. Also quite heartbreaking, though, and I hope it does go to trial. I'll try and be quick. Cisco Systems Inc is an American tech company that creates tracking and surveillance equipment that is then sold to the Chinese Communist Party. And it's used to persecute dissidents, most essentially, full and gong practitioners. Full and gong are about the gentlest people on earth, but these systems are also used to track all dissidents, including Christians and, of course, Uighur Muslims. So the CCP use Cisco Systems, which, of course, has a 24 seven help desk troubleshoot. So none of these pesky little dissidents can get away. The help desk is run from California. But I mean, how flipping awful is this whole concept? There has been a 12 year legal battle filed in California by full and gong practitioners that and they were helped by human rights activists. This could have very far reaching consequences for all American companies that have sold tracking and surveillance tech into China. So Republican Representative Chris Smith, who's from New Jersey, and he chairs the Congressional Executive Commission on China, he has spent China, China. He has spent 30 years in Washington fighting for human rights. And he says that this case is long overdue and wrongly delayed lawsuit underscores the excruciating pain and suffering that corporations like Cisco enable by deliberately cooperating and turning a blind eye to the Chinese Communist Party and its inherent egregious human rights, violations and repression in order to make a profit. Cisco, of course, has denied any wrongdoing and has labeled the allegations baseless. But the U.S. Circuit Judge Marsha Benzon, writing for the Appellate Court, has said that the plaintiffs had presented sufficient evidence to proceed to trial and that Cisco's actions amounted to aiding and abetting China's full and gong repression and had a substantial effect on the commission of violations of international law, including torture. So the complaint alleges that at the heart of the claim, Cisco designs the tools, manufactures the components and then provides ongoing assistance in the form of a help desk to the CCP and that it largely all takes place out of California. So anyway, it looks like it's going to court and now it's the U.S. Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. It was reversed in a lower district court back in 2014. But the decision to dismiss the claims against Cisco and John Chambers, its former chief executive and Freddie Chong, the former vice president of its Chinese operations. So now it's it's coming back and the three judge appellate panels, July ruling, did not determine the validity of the claims. Instead, that they said that the full and gong practitioners had presented enough evidence for their case to proceed to trial in California, where it was filed.  Oh, Black Rock and Vanguard. Well done.  Black Rock and Vanguard. I wonder what sort of calls they get to the help desk. Can you. Yeah, I can you imagine not working. How are I calling for information? I don't see anything. I'm dissident.  Hello. Help desk. How can we help? Yeah, yes, we've got one in our sights. What do I do? Not on screen.  I know he's gone into a cave. I mean, this is just so unhuman. So I was so disgusted, but I'm really glad. And I hope this goes to court in America because it will set a massive precedent for all the tech countries that you can't invent technology, sell it into China and then persecute people that have their organs harvested from it, especially gentle people who do no harm. Well, that's the optimistic way of looking at it, Olivia. I mean, a slightly darker way of looking at it is it's a trial run to bring it here. Well, of course, they'll bring stuff like somebody runs the credit social credit system. And of course, they're going to want one for New Zealand and one for Australia and one for Canada and one for the states. And yeah, but that's why these things need to be prosecuted. And it shows you how wicked these big corporate overlords are, too. They really are smashes of human liberty and human flourishing. They don't care if you can watch the painkiller on Netflix. I recommend it. It's about the development of Oxycontin. And you can sort of see it's a really good portrayal of corporate psychopaths and just how nefarious so many of those processes that these pharmaceutical well, we know all about that. Is that otherwise known as dope sick, Marty? I haven't seen that, no. Oh, because that's about Oxycontin, too. And I wonder if it's the same series, but that was very, very good. It's it's dramatised. It's it's great. So was this dope sick, pretty grim, but great. Any last words? Oh, you know, I was interested in just saying I saw Winston Peters interviewed, you know, and he's he's really had his feet held to the fire, as you say, about Kirsten Merfit specifically. And it's it's given me an uneasy feeling at how crumbly he's been about the whole thing, when he could so easily say, you know, as we were saying about the National Party leaders, hey, you know, you know, say, oh, you know, there's always conspiracy theories like the WF is trying to control us.  Our last two prime ministers have been WF young global leaders. They're implementing their policies and the media won't talk about it. What's so hard about that? And it it annoyed me that he didn't have a bit more ticker on that. Who was that, Marty? I was he was talking when Winston Peters was interviewed by on another station. Yeah. Oh, OK. Another another station with a smaller listenership and much much smaller. Just generally, a few other places, he's been equivocating of it. And I think I don't want to make an excuse. No, it's not what we need. And but I will say this about Winston Peters in the years that I've known him. He is an extremely cautious politician. And and for him to have actually agreed to have Kirsten as a candidate when she was part of another party. That's something that I've never seen Winston do before in 30 years. He values loyalty over anything else. And this is something that he would probably consider risky. But he's doing it anyway. He should have a look at those stats, New Zealand figures that have been released for the period from 1st of July, 2022 to the 30th of June, 2023. Which released, I think, this week. But, you know, they're showing that in the previous 12 months, we've had the deaths are up 14 percent. That's according to government's own data. He's aware of various deaths. Disabilities up 37 percent. Yeah. Disabilities up 37 percent. And what kind of cause that? I wonder. Yeah. I wonder. And even more, there's been a decrease of 28 percent in the natural life births. Yeah. There's plenty of material there where if someone tries to to bombast you into walking away from speaking the truth. In that interview that you were referring to, Marty, and Kirsten Murford, he was kind of walking that back. He was kind of like he was kind of walking. Her association with New Zealand first back a bit. Yeah, he was. He was saying, oh, we haven't decided.  It's a stand. That's a standard line from him.  Well, I don't know. You end up in a situation where you can make a really bad mistake at the time. You don't have to. You know, there's this talk of conspiracy theory. This isn't conspiracy theory. Just forget that. Like this is the risk that you take in in cementing it in early. And this is what is happening to the Labour Party right now. And it's probably exclusive information here for reality check. Listener listeners out there in that. Nacey Chen, who's Labour and List MP, who currently resides in Botany and is listed on their website as a Botany List MP. She was begged by the hierarchy in the Labour Party to put her name forward for Labour in East Coast Bays. And she agreed on the provisor that she would have a good list ranking. And Labour released their list at the end of July. I think it was the 27th of July. And Nacey Chen is listed at number 33. And on current polling, it's barely likely that David Parker will make it back in on the list. And she certainly won't. So what she's done is throwing her toys out of the cot. She's not going to be a candidate at all in either Botany or in East Coast Bays. And now Labour has a real problem because they've got a few short weeks to handle a number of selections for two electorates so that they can have a full gambit of candidates. Because if they don't have a candidate in every electorate, then the Electoral Commission applies a formula and reduces their funding. And so Labour's got a real problem.  And that's the problem we have. And it's even worse in smaller parties to do that sort of thing because smaller parties are really dependent on a whole lot of people taking a hiding for nothing in these electorates. But it's so very important for their funding from the Electoral Commission. Yeah, right. Oh, Labour will be able to find a teacher or a union hack. I'm sure they will. But but that's the risk you're in. It's a really bad risk to undertake if you're a small party because your potential pool of candidates to tap on the shoulder to take one for the team is really, really small. All right. OK, I think we're done. Yeah. Yeah. Another political panel. Well done and you have been. I want to thank Marty Gibson. Thank you, Marty. Thanks for having me. Thank you, Cam. Great to be here. Hope to be here next week. Always a pleasure. You're welcome, Paul. We'll do it all again next week, next Friday. We shall. If we're still here. Yeah, we've got a higher chance of being here than another radio station. RCR with Paul Brennan, Reality Check Radio.


Hello, welcome to Toffy TV. It is the match. Preview Sheffield tonight of Basis Everton. Again, Jack, that you'd think that Everton have got to win. Yeah, I mean, that was Wolves the other day as well, weren't it? It was, we could really do with winning this, and obviously we never. So a week on, we sort of need to win this even more now because, you know, we've conquered Doncaster, away in the FA Cup, in the Carabao Cup, picked up a major scalp. But in the Premier League, we're not in as good form, and we yet to score a goal, yet to pick up a point in things, really do need to change sooner rather than later. Otherwise, the magic of the Carabao Cup win won't be enough to keep Sean Dyson a job for much longer if we don't at least score a goal soon. Yeah, and obviously on the back of three Premier League defeats, two home defeats, we've got games coming up against Arsenal and Brentford away. We're going to be particularly very tough. This is a game where you're looking to think Everton really need to get their season going. Obviously, Sheffield's united yet to pick up a point harder. Being unlucky, obviously in all three games, they've lost by a goal in all three games. For a team that's been newly promoted, hasn't spent a hell of a lot of money, there'll be courage by that. I mean, that's again the difference between where we are and where they are. There'll be courage in that, and they'll be looking at this game thinking, this is a fantastic chance for us to take our first three points. They'll be looking at this thing and 12 kick-off at home. Big opportunity to support Everton more in the mud. We've got to go there on Saturday and we've got to put out a very professional performance and hopefully do the job. Yeah, it's not a six-pointed as such, but it is an opportunity to a team we're going to be competing with in similar positions as you would imagine, another team that some feel tipped for relegation. You can take some points off them as well and really put them in the same way you're saying. They want to put us favourite into the mud. We need to do the same to them. We need to leapfrog them. We need to make them the team that are going to put them bottom of the league and propel us upwards. To be honest, the one sort of positive I have for this game is, is the fact that last week Sheffield united played Manchester City. Obviously they're not going to have a lot of the ball. I think they ended up with about 15% or something. My mistake got them the goal. They're going to be looking at this game thinking we're going to have more of the ball. There's more emphasis to have the ball and go forward. I think that will benefit us. I think we're not going to go in there and get probably 50% possession. I think possession wise it will be pretty even. I think that's a bonus for us that they might have to come out and try and break us down. I know that hasn't been that hard. But I do believe that's a bonus for us because obviously when you play in Manchester City they'll be looking at that thing and they've got B21. They nearly grabbed a point late on. The crowd were, there was nothing to lose, the crowd were on it. But this week it's just become slightly different. It's almost, it becomes that must win game for them and can they grab all of the game? Can they go and actually create the chances? And I think that leaves me off the mystic. Yeah, well then come on off a decent performance in Luz Nepid city and actually scoring goals as well, albeit only two more than ever and they're the bigger hitters in front of goal at the moment compared to us there at home as well. So the emphasis is on them to take it to us. And maybe we've had two home games on the run now where we've made all the chances and we've dominated the game and we've done nothing with it. Maybe it'll actually help us to be a bit more selective with our attacks and to be the ones who are team has to come and break down. Sheffield and I would like to pack out the middles so they might well dominate the ball but it's what we make them do with it, that'll count. It's what we do when we win it back. That'll count as well. Yeah, they're coming off the back of a 0-0 in the league cup as well. They obviously got beat on penalties. So obviously goal scoring, you see from that game it's not their forte when they need to go and beat a side. It's not there. And I think that's somewhere we can definitely prosper in this game. We just have to get off on the right foot, don't we? Because obviously the home games for Evan have looked, we've looked all right. Obviously we've been beaten in both of them. But obviously against Villet and for the first half against Doncaster we were absolutely dreadful. We just don't seem to have an identity away from home. It's not saying we've got a massive one at home but away from home we just don't know how to dominate teams because we can't dominate teams. I suppose for this game the big plus point is obviously Beto's coming, came in 45-minute cameo, got us goal. And suddenly we do look like we've got a focal point in the team that can occupy the opposition to give them something to think about because I think we've been going into a lot of games. I mean, obviously the last game away, Villet, Dominic Arvillwn started but went off injured. But we just, we didn't know how to use them whereas I think with someone like Beto I think you can get more with less. I think the football we play is not brilliant.  That can actually make something out of them more than maybe Dominic Arvillwn has shown, not that he's shown a lot in the recent months and year but we certainly have some money. We might just be, I'm not putting too much pressure on but we might be able to transform the way we play at the top end of the pitch. Well, I've spoken a lot in the last few weeks haven't we, about the lack of identity in the 17 which has spoken about Adenzu and the final word for everything that's done, Caster. Having a striker like Beto who has a specific style to his game, there are things he wants to do on a football pitch, things he's good at. Running in behind, chasing long balls. That immediately gives you, it gives you the plan, doesn't it? It gives you something to go to. You need more than that. You can't just rely on that but immediately it's something. It's one piece of the puzzle taking care of, isn't it? A move you know that's on, a passion you can make. So that immediately, it gives us something we can aim to do, doesn't it? Yeah, it's, you know, it seems to fit straight into the team because the team have been crying out for that. Obviously there will be changes for this side. You know, we were recording this on Thursday so we don't know what's going to get done before obviously the weekend. I don't think it's going to make any difference. He's can't play in this game anyway. It would be, you know, it would be good if someone like Dwight McNeill is available, whether it's off the bench, whether it's, whether he starts, the manager didn't give too much away just said he's back on the grass. Whether he gives them another couple of weeks with the international break, I don't know but hopefully this will be the catalyst having someone like that, the catalyst for someone that in general we saw for the first time playing, you know, playing off the left this week as well. So if we can just get things going, update, I think take the pressure off the back line, hopefully get the midfield going. It's a lot of ifs, it's a lot of hopefullys. But that is the lift sometimes you need and if you can get through this game hopefully get a win when the international break comes to return from that. We have the likes of Jack Harrison, Dwight McNeill, any signings we brought in ready to go and just reshape this team a little bit. Cos again it's that thing of not starting the season with the players you need to take you forward and playing with a lot of players that we're already used to or we know we can't do the job and certainly with the injuries that hasn't helped but just give everyone a lift. Yeah, absolutely, just be going back to the football after the international break and just a much more positive stand-up, wouldn't you? Obviously if you do get a win it's not ideal to have two weeks away but I don't know if we can do about that but if we can come into that Arsenal game not in crisis mode with a win behind just hopefully a clean sheet as well and a couple of goals, you know, get that monkey off our back and just scratch that itch, just get rid of this pressure of needing to score a goal. I think the longer we go and not get them on the bigger issue it's going to become, isn't it? Yeah, I think the first thing we need to do is get me sure we get goals, you know, get goals and hopefully, you know, that turns into wins. It's not just about not winning games it's about not scoring goals, you know because if we had scored goals in those two-one games we're winning those games as far as I'm concerned. That's the big turn around. It's scoring goals without there being a mass change of things. It's saying this team can actually score goals it would have scored goals if it had the striking in that's the big thing for me. Everything else will change slowly the players coming back maybe getting used to you know, just sometimes it will be difficult beginning to see and you're still coming off that pre-season mode. It can be difficult for me it's scoring goals naturally it's taking those chances that you've already had in other games putting it in the back of the net I think that's the big thing for Evan and certainly that will start with this game. That's the differences from these two games to out of the three where we did dominate and we made unlucky to win but we were, it was our own fault we didn't take our chances we made enough chances to win and we didn't take them got a striker through the door now you know, he got ten goals last season so he's not a goal the game striker but he is more prolific than what we've got so hopefully now we can start taking the chances we've been making and we can show that the performance is there but you were just missing the crucial element of it to finish it off and that would immediately just calm everyone's arm a little bit I think. Let's have a little look at Sheffield United's team from the last game playing three obviously playing three, five, two you know, it's a mix it's not like lots of Premier League names in there obviously the name that we've pointed out there is Norwood let's just have a little look at his stats XA of 0.3 Pass accuracy 77, one key pass Jules 47% tackles per game two heat map obviously all over the pitch but they're not they're not exactly blessed with lots of talent they've come up, they haven't thrown the kitchen sink out they know what they're doing, they're bringing in some clever little some clever little freeze and stuff and obviously they brought Tom Davison it'd be interesting to see whether he was involved because he wasn't involved in the cup and it's just been on the bench so far so for them they are just trying to get through and they've had, as I said a couple of decent buys nothing to break but if they go down they'll take all that Premier League money and invest it again and then come back because they're not a team with massive resources but they're not blessed with technical ability but already Ilman Endai was there sort of a technical gifted player he's obviously left Oliver Norwood he's more of a worker so he's an engine in the middle of the park if you look at the team itself if you know three at the back they're trying to make a solid, honest hardware and team a big man, little man combination up front they're just trying to get the basics right on they can get by doing that the three at the back suggest to me that maybe we'll see Evan and go with the you know the striker and the player playing off set up again whether that's the core I ordered and you're playing off hopefully better because then you can go two up against three again you know, as big a disadvantage with just one man sort of lost up front on his own let's have a look at the Evan team from the last game in the Premier League um what can you see like you look at our side obviously can you see many changes from that side obviously Dan Duma was playing you know was playing up front James Garner's on the right, Dom was on the left obviously actually he doesn't get left back can you imagine many changes obviously Beto we imagine is going to come in yeah I think Beto starts up front and Dan Duma maybe becomes the winger replacing Dobbin I think Garner maybe stays at right wing just in the absence of any other replacements, you know Dice said Mithniol might be back and he's very non-committal on that if we're going on the side he's not coming back we're just going with what we've got Garner probably continues on the right side which isn't ideal but what else do we have yeah I mean after the recent performances I think James Garner could find himself playing right back I don't think Nathan Patterson started the season at all well and I think we saw from the sub at our time against Don Castler that the manager maybe trusts him more there if he's got the plays to play in midfield if McNeill's available he might start McNeill on the right Dan Duma on the left and obviously play Beto front that might mean Garner goes to right back I think actually Younger will continue at left back I don't think Michael Enco did anything in the game and I think Tarkowski and Branthwaith not that in the game means that they're going to start in this game as well so I think that'll be pretty much it but having Beto in there as we mentioned it's a huge plus point it'd be great if Don could be available as well maybe on the bench takes the pressure off the likes of Shimiti listen we don't know whether Mo Pies is going to still be at the club as well but suddenly having Don's available on the bench as well wearing a mask suddenly you've just got a couple of options haven't you just to change it up and give them something to worry about you can even go to up top to out and I'll strike as up top at one point potentially if Calvert Llewyn is available Dalty will be sure and Deish didn't seem very confident he would be he said he didn't want to aggravate the injury again fair enough but once he is back definitely you have got the option then of start Calvert Llewyn or start Beto or start both of them you've got options to play behind them whether it's Dan Joomer or Decorey or maybe even Shimiti gets a shot at one point you've got options for the wings McNeill, Harrison, Dan Joomer again hopefully another addition so that'll all come in the coming weeks at the moment was still a little bit limited I'd like to see James Garner right back but it's just for the fact that he might have to fill in a right wing I don't think we will but again in future weeks we've got that option there haven't we no we definitely have and I think some like Paterson might need to just be taking out the firing line just for himself, just for now go away with Scotland play for them a little change of scenery hopefully he gets back in the groove cos I certainly think he's got a future I just think he's just he's not quite being at it this season that might be helpful a lot of factors who's playing in front of him who's playing alongside him and for him it's not he's had injury problems and maybe just doesn't feel like completely 100% yeah who knows but there you go anyway let us know your thoughts in the comments on this one for me certainly it's a must win I think I haven't got to win this game I've got to get three points I've got to get that off there back and not be seen as the disaster club of the Premier League so let us know your thoughts in the comments on this one make sure to give this video a like subscribe if you haven't already if you want more great videos join us over on toffeeTVPremier the link is in the description QR codes coming up on the screen now see you later