Sharon just for the minutes Sharon is not available tonight Here's a copy of beaver best of management practices, and you've got one. I have one for Rose We have company How are you Doug? Good Orders are being passed around Do you know everybody Doug? I'm sorry. Do you know everybody? You know me click them in select board and Rose Pellchart And Sue is filming in for Jerome from Orca. All right You want to give us a quick update on the motor or sugar? Do you want to do Doug first? Okay So let's do it's we have Did this is Jack Hill Road, right? And I think the bids are Scammed in I think okay. We have one from the austere's one from gravel And one from No more. Oh, so so we can put it into the record The bid from Bowman Was a total of forty four thousand fifty four dollars and twenty two cents Right but the total I'm looking at is that the not the total very tall Where's that? Oh, okay Okay Along the last page it says it says total forty four oh five four twenty two The eight thousand Okay, I thought the total would be everything It doesn't it say that the total includes the assembly The group L one says including assembly total forty thousand three ninety seven Yeah, like the second from the last line up on that graph sheet Includes that other long the top number. So if you scroll down Yeah, see the The like Yeah assembly of the structure you see It's included in that So the total is Well one is Said but it doesn't in brackets says including assembly right underneath week, right? No, see if you look here It says 40,000 three ninety seven Include a good price including assembly. So is that the is that a total price? This is the total right their price Putting it together right. This is their price for putting it in the ground and including assembly They're saying everything that You go down to that land scroll down And then see there Alfred says no I can see it right here Yeah, but on but on this thing too. It says your next page on that one See what says assembly of new structure thirty five hundred. So they include it in the total So they included it in the total the forty three ninety seven Yeah, second line from That right? There's two different bits I don't know why they would include include all of them together. There's two different the assembly was broken out So you could compare it to what contact would charge for some and then the board could decide Based on that and then other considerations. We wanted to put it together with the bottom line price includes That's right. We're listed as assembly of new structure Yeah, that's on groville. What's it look like on the phones? You go to bones Yes, that's the way I'm reading is that right? No, I thought the other one. Okay, so if you go to Bowen's Bowen's the most Bowen's didn't include that Bowen's Did it include assembly? Yeah, so if you go to the last page of Bowen's Yes, so eight thousand eight for the assembly and forty four for the total fifty four If you go to the last page, yeah, it's the second line from the Yeah, and it shows you the assembly is eight thousand. Yes So what did so Bowen's bottom line is So Memorial is bottom line is thirty nine nine forty two, but they do include the yeah, yeah So everybody did the same if it's the bottom line that right? So it's thirty nine forty and forty four That are all pretty close right pretty close well with anybody have any experience with Yeah, we know we've had Bowen do work Right, so I've had experience with With Bowen, yeah I've not had experience with gravel. They've been on a couple of projects for us. They weren't chosen They were what we're not chosen. Oh, okay. They were they're out of apartment. They were a little bit once before We'll get with there. Yeah Yeah The model did the box culvert for us in the north callous That was the wall is oh the wall is culvert. They did a nice job the wall They did the box culvert two years before that. Yeah, they did a good job, right? Say that right. Yeah, they did the box. Yeah, the box culvert. Yeah, right and then Recently Grand Field Right to the wall at the wall. Oh, yeah with the gender And so they did everything to spec the outcome of that box culvert job was what we wanted job well done If it's any use they bid on a project for a cabinet last year and We're we're actually a little bitter town asked me to check references on and they had done some work on for the state and that was listed That project in north gals. They'd also done some work on repairing dams and things like that and People said they did great work and they would have them back Yeah, they're the Yeah, gravel is the forty three ninety seven right And have you had any experience with them? Yes great company They did the job in Cabot last year. They've done a couple They're doing one for East Montpelier. I hasn't started yet, but but bid on that They're going to do that They gravels the president he's got a twin brother dean that is on the job runs the equipment runs the job People So all family businesses each one Toby have any thoughts They'll seem like good good contractors probably I mean there's a $500 difference in the first and the second There's a more than a couple thousand dollar difference between I Would say you would sort of I would Like to open the door with that company because they are close And if we are So I would I would like to choose and they were any you work with them on that north callus Okay I've seen their work That's what's supposed to be so I just I just want would like to give them a chance here Given the fact that years ago. They were low bidders And we chose gene well because gene was local I don't remember the figures. I don't know the difference in the kids, but I Would like to try to heal that with crowds And for $500 difference, I think that that's Well, I mean your recommendations important, so Sounds good to me Like to make a motion to expand make a motion I make a motion that we Use gravel for the construction except the bid For Replacement of the existing structure on town highway number 33, which is a railroad It's grant number DC 1851. Is there a second second? Did you say yeah, did you say in the amount of oh no in the amount of 40,397 What's the time frame on this Can't your new road can't be closed before July 9th July 9th They'll have two weeks to do their installation Okay, so what's gonna be Is it gonna be that whole intersection going to be closed So from Mary Alice's back towards We do a contract that's just a bit, okay, so we have them And do you notify the others? All right select the ministers like that Who hopefully they don't shake your fist at me.  So all around that subject we should probably have a discussion about the guardrail that you have Yes, that's on the agenda. Yeah, it's probably good timing Yes, so we can't we prefer to go with the non shiny Undalianized and I think it's called a rusty core 10 or something And this is for the Jack Hill road project for the record is a price per section So it's $15 and 34 cents per foot Installed so that's So what's the total So what who's putting the guard?  I mean you're gonna change that So it's it's 387 and a half feet So I had a So that total is 6,000 Now we can't take and put the state won't Pay for this at all I won't even give you like what it would what they would give you for the other stuff and then you could deduct it from this I know but right they're applying once again, you know Interstate type road standard to a back road Or do you have to buy the full Like in so many pieces no, it's how many feet The number Alfred gave you 6,000 it's based on 400 So give or take whatever it actually turns out to be yeah That's core 10 It's at least a hundred bucks up what wow and the other stuff is Well Right and the advantage of that is it's already galvanized steel as opposed to rust and they will last longer It you know, it looks like it's been there forever, but it doesn't you know It doesn't have that quote-unquote rustic feel if that's what you're trying to achieve with I Would conjecture that that quartet will outlast my children's lights Lights on a back road. Yeah, probably so I think that's bill. It's fine. It's just you know, but So that I was up there and the trees And look and really took a look at that galvanized and that's the old galvanized. It's already it looks I think it looks horrendous so Well, our standards our road standards Suggest that we use this kind of Guard rail, yeah, so we can't afford the wooden one, but All right, so do we want my hearing that we want to go with this core 10? So is that a OT standard is actually Policy or is it actually written down in a regulation? Where does that come from that the requirement that if we they will only fund the galvanized If they were finding that the the core 10 the weathering steel guard rail wasn't lasting right on solid roads It's they weren't they weren't going to use it anymore on on any state roads right salted or not and some of them are are some of them are whether it had state money or federal money or both in it and They were reluctant to to have towns use it because of the state and of course of a town highway structures grant project Reimbursing the town for 90% of the cost and yet having something that's not going to last Salt being The flexible factor in there in some of it, you know, it's They're just trying to get away from it. Yeah, now there are My question was do you know whether they have a regulation or if it did a discretion Did someone write a policy memo from a pie? We're not accepting this anymore or was this didn't just go through rulemaking and they have a regulation The reason I'm asking is because if it's not in a regulation and they have that flexibility and discretion And it's a policy called by whoever's in charge Like way up the chain because more they just don't want to fund it. They don't want to prove it as Safe, right? So they don't want to fund it through a state grant I understand that but I'm not saying you can't use it No, I'm wondering in terms of their funding today Is this actually a discretionary thing that they're just holding a line on or is it something that they would have to go back through? rulemaking To do so I think you're asking my question. I guess I'm asking Doug. Yeah that process I Don't know how the decision was was derived and if there is an epoxy effect that That says that you will not use that now Is there's some up through 108 and the notch? Okay? That doesn't get salted in the winter that's closed. All right There's some up on 125 through ripped in up the air through part of the national forest Does that predate there the policy? Absolutely? Yes. Absolutely. Okay, and that's why yeah, and if that was to be changed now I don't think it would be grandfathered in Yeah, so those are the options right wouldn't this core 10 The used guard rail or the shiny galvanized stuff for the four options, right? All right, so am I hearing that we want to go with the core 10 and that would have to come out of our highway budget, right? We looked at company Lafayette highway specialties Yes, I wanted their prices are the same or better or worse They seem to offer a whole array of options. I just wanted the prices Yeah But I think I think we're what we're saying is we want to go with the core 10 core 10 We've only got $3,000 budgeted for guard rails and next year's budget Because this is going to come out of f y-19 So with with we can run that we run that budget line over. Yeah, right. I'm just saying that maybe next year we want to We're gonna have projects and we're going to use that we might want to think about I think we should also I maybe have invite aot down here to explain us to us Who at aot would be? If I was gonna contact somebody at aot Who about this who would the policy? Yeah, who would we talk to? Well, you Alec Alec yeah out for the be or Wayne Simmons Wayne took He took Rich Tatro's place after Kevin Ken Roby So I'll maybe we'll start with Alec. Yeah Yeah, it was an email that I Saw from Shawna Clifford and from District 7 That mentioned Alec Alec had given her the information about guard rails. Yeah So that's a good place to start Okay So how much we get another price do I mean we got time, right? If you can't you don't run out of time don't worry about it. No, I just I'm wondering do I wait Till the next meeting No, no, no, we're gonna go with the quartet No, I know the quartet but Lafayette can do it cheaper or whatever. Yeah Yeah, that's just a minute Yeah, that's our car if it's Nichols and I and you're more comfortable with the other guys Okay All right anything else that we need to hold up You want to hear about truck motors you want to hear about truck motors I Mean I think the minutes can just reflect that we are definitely want to go with quartet and Alfred's going to get another You know take another look at another vendor and make a decision on which one to use it's up to you And And schedule I would say when they can get to it, right? Yeah Okay, well, thank you Doug. You're welcome. Nice to see you. Nice to see you. Thanks. You're summer gone. Not good. Yeah So far so good This is a busy time of year right it is it really is yeah, it's still recovering from this black flood but I don't blame you those are Delicious, well, you're doing better than the moose are I'm sure Okay, um Thank you, Doug. Thank you Speaking of grants, let's do municipal roads grants and aid program participation You filled out the This is the thing through CVR PC. No, you had to sign that letter saying you were interested in right this big That's all it required Okay, but it but that was a letter that CVR PC did No, it was sent to the town and the town just needed you the town needed to say yes We are interested and I believe and I did send a letter to them. So that's For some reason, I thought it was through It is through CVR PC, okay, that's what I thought and this is for It's for just regular work on the roadside Identifying segments that have Berm removal that needs or crown adjustment. So it's our normal work But they're going to reimburse us as we do And this has to do with what CVR PC did that inventory It has to do with the inventory that we've done that identified all these areas where right the high risk Okay So in the first round we essentially highlighted peak and broken did the whole like the peak and broken and that was Roughly $15,000 worth of reimbursement This second round will identify other places where it makes sense to do a couple of roads in their entirety so that we Essentially focus and get all of our money back out of that Gotcha, so it's kind of an ongoing Well, it's what it is is they're trying to subsidize the work that they want us to be doing and if they give us money Then we're more up to do it Last year They gave us 12,500 this year. They're giving us 15,000 plus And there's a match so but we're doing the work anyways. It's just we get reimbursed for it. Nice So that's in place since you've sent your interested mother Don't leave the money on the table. No, all right Thank you for sending me that list So what we're talking about money don't want to change the subject But this is not what is this got the this was Maybe we could sit down and talk about one these are gonna Have it and I could put something on front porch for on so the only problem with we don't have any idea timing wise I can't tell you that I'm gonna do one in June and one in August and one in September We sort of have that list and we work depending on the weather and people on vacation And so essentially the list of projects are there, but there's really no time frame that we've ever put into those projects Other other than a specific Grant project that has a timeline requirement So I'm wondering how the best way to do this because I've gotten some request that we do what would bury this Which is a weekly posting and that could turn into a lot of work and Not be very helpful. It might cause more problems than it solves So I'm wondering like for this Jack Hill road when I can put something out front porch for him now So when you're getting ready to do a project, could you like let me know? I mean we're we meet often enough So that I can just post something today for working with Alfie that sometimes he doesn't decide until 730 in the morning Which way he's headed up down the road to which project? So, you know giving you a week's a week's notice on what's in the project list can change overnight with weather and broken equipment and Repairs so it's really it's really hard for me to do any kind of You know, it's just not the way the highway department works as far as planning goes We keep a list of things we want to do and we keep check which is exactly what you have in your hand but the timing is irregular and I Don't want to be committed that I will be on Right now I guess church on August 15th, and if we aren't there people are going to wonder why aren't we? And that's what I'm trying to avoid by doing a weekly thing. I think that could turn into Well again being predictable about what the next project is really is a day-to-day decision Well, like for instance the bigger ones are the grants like the Jack Hill thing the loose road When we essentially that is that easier to have some kind of a time frame for well, we know Jack Hill, right? Great loose road and bliss road Essentially, it's a project in one place where we will camp out for three or four days or however long it takes So but we could give you a somewhat advanced notice of those on a all right That's reasonable shot, but if we're ditching on West County Road It's gonna be a hit-or-miss decision when that happens. Okay, and like when you're doing culvert work replacement Is that something that you plan ahead? Usually only a day or two ahead so we can only give you a day's notice And we would only know we would only really deal with trying to announce culvert replacement If it's really going to close the road for a longer period of time for Particularly if it's a if it's a high traffic road We would then I mean I would post something on front porch for insane take as I've happened right right take alternate routes Because for a day we're gonna close the road, okay, and I will continue to do that as you know as the projects Yeah, but only thing convenience to travel in public or they have to take a different route Okay, so then I'll post something about just kind of summer projects I'm from porch forum and let folks know about the Jack Hill Project when that's going to be and if you can you know if you can give me some notice about these other bigger projects Right, yeah And did read schnack talk to you about the Hayden bridge about the Okay, so we're gonna do steel backed wooden That was the intention I think of the select work right and I think you just put up temporary ones or something didn't you? So she doesn't like the Cortana But I guess she's going on what she was told She's going by what Tammy we know has been telling her Oh, she did Daylights out of it first because she was talking about the wooden bridge My knowledge Calis does not have a wooden bridge So I was very confused about a few years. I had to call her back and really get Down with her to what she was talking about So then when I finally got it out of her that she was interested in The wooden rail On that bridge and why that hasn't been changed yet Yeah, well, I ran I ran into read at the co-op and she asked me about it And as I understand it is if you go back through the minutes There was some discussion with the local residents about changing to wooden in the future And I think you guys agreed with that. Yeah, I just need to make sure that that's your attempt Yeah, whatever the minutes. Yeah, I mean if you go back and look at the minutes That's well, I haven't we do that's what I remember Right, and that's what we temporarily put the used stuff, but I don't look pretty good to use But if we do that Doug just said here asked us to write a disclaimer Because those rails do not stand up to crash. They're not certified for For a bridge. I thought we were putting The certified steel rail we were just putting a wood face on it It's two different rails. It's this one rail or it's quartet. Okay, I thought that there was a steel boxer out They put wood over the front No, no, it's two different rails. Okay. We got to change the posts. We got to change and the spacing isn't All that great for for the bridge 16-foot bridge and You've got to somehow mount those to the post the steel post that we've got on the bridge Can we have another public meeting? Yeah But it's going to be a challenge right to change it because it's totally different they the spacing the Post spacing is different. I can put this on the next spot. I can put this on the next select board We can maybe do a meeting out there at 630 Well, you that what they're the current looks like next meeting or stirring it Well meeting after so we can do that. Yeah, so we can their meeting of 23 Maybe we want to do a site visit out there and then maybe we can all come to an agreement Does that work sounds really good? I have a question like I I might have missed the very beginning of that conversation because I was reading the the road work schedule. So Am I getting this right that? Somebody didn't like the way the core 10 looks on the new north callous bridge Is that what? So maybe one or two people don't like the way I say it has to do it's What they're temporarily we'd already committed to putting wood we're trying to keep that historic village looking historic and We committed when we were going to do the project because remember there was a lot of controversy even about just Replacing the bridge right and one of the concessions or agreements was that we would put up the wooden rails But I think it may be Now are the wooden rails certified for a crash for a bridge? No, so I think that's an insurance issue. We need to bring up an insurance issue And it's also a disclaimer release of Doug the engineer that designed this Responsibility are you getting this? Yeah, I just Take a look at it. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I just I almost think like It's really Getting really nitpicky like I don't like the way those guardrails look, you know, let's change this I I don't like this. I don't like that and it's like You know one or two people I don't think we need to have a public hearing 630 I'm just trying to hear rows out out there in the field. Yeah, I don't get out much So that we have time to get back here on the 23rd. Yeah, and we will let the residents know Another project If you know then we have options we could do it next year if we decide to do it And but I just think it's worthy to go out there for everyone the eyeball the court See what it looks like in that install and when we're doing budgets We know we're gonna be using core 10 so maybe we want to think about you know If you know you have four or five projects that we're going to use that on we want to make sure we put money in the budget for that And the price per foot for the wood was a hundred Versus 15 You know So we need Yeah The rail that we put there is theme donals useless because it's Such short stretches. I don't know you could put it somewhere else right and get that value out of it Yeah, right, so it's gonna sit over back to the shop somewhere Right Yeah, history is expensive, right Okay, so I think I think it makes sense to do that and just want to talk about maybe we can Here too when they can grow Yeah Right Yes So I think because we had the public meeting and it was a huge outboring of people I think we owe it to them Out of respect and what we promised to meet with them and not just ignore Understand exactly the extra cost Let them kind of understand what we're facing So what why couldn't I'm not saying we should do this but this is just speculating why couldn't we Drill the guard rail that's there and just not the corners of the straight away straight pieces Why couldn't we drill in bolt two by ten PT? along the face and then nail two by Eight PT on the top and then they could put flower boxes on top and and it would essentially hide the guard rail and Could you do that and it would be cheap? Well, that would be cheap You're starting to shrink up, shrink to your distance, you're laying in space An inch and a half Oh, come on guys We got much to do I don't know if that's going to be pretty you put pressure treated on there people don't like pressure treated It's a chemical people don't like that. Yeah, yeah, that's true So that's another thing that but the way we're supposed to be that Well, and that's something I think we should tell them that the wooden ones are pressure treated and it's right there by the river So all right, so let's just let's just let's just right All right, okay What's talking money? This is the reimbursement form for the Hayden Bridge, which we're just talking about I need you guys to sign it so we can get Yeah, so if you all sign it, yeah, I don't think we'll get a motion for this to you No, you just need to sign it and give it back to me so I can get it to Shawna Then you can talk truck Every time So I finally got a very nice and fancy packet of stuff So I have Three prices for trucks here three different trucks To being international I want to be in Western star The two international there's two different choices being the motor the two different models one of them will accept a Cummings motor which we've had good luck with The other one is only international motor Which I'm afraid of I These are brand new trucks So maybe I should back up Well, I think so we so we decided we asked you to look into getting Least purchase option. I've got that Because if we buy a truck, I think we have to have a special town meeting Right well another problem that we face no matter if we lease or buy They don't come there a truck won't be here until September. That's the earliest But at least you have it for the winter No, that's that's the cabin chassis and then it's another two months to get the plow So The back of truck is busted and sitting up to culture No, well one of our one of our trucks is down Right, we're running the back of truck. We are Right now we've only got one truck broke down Not to say we haven't had other trucks break down the one time's been down at Walker for it's for a couple weeks now, so Anyway, maybe we want to talk about the repair now So the repair of the new truck I'm on the old truck The brand-new motor is going to cost us 29297 And that's right here the motor that's a brand-new Long block. Oh, that's install install price and that includes remove the old motor That's yes, that's our truck going down road again. Okay, so that's the total cost But that's the same kind of motor that was in it. Yes. Yeah, that's the only option For that truck, that's the only option So with that price J&B has given us the motor at cost. They're not making a nickel on it. So he says I have to believe them. I don't know why So a brand-new motor in that truck running going down 39,000 And they would pay us 50 on trade Yes We would sell we will he's changed it. It's down to 47 now Okay, because it's figured out here. He's figuring it would be Be another year older by the time the deal went down. So he took So the trade would be 47 K. So by putting that motor in we'd be making about $18,000 profit And if we didn't put the motor in we're only going to get 8,000 8,500 Well, hold on Right, so so J&B has a used motor And he said it was around the same amount of miles that our truck has on He originally told me Today hit this this quote. He quoted me 15 875 Installed installed running going down the road again. I told him he's got to do better than that When he left I said that's not gonna work. You need to do better. It's not my fault that this truck is broke It's not my fault that there's the core is no good because they're charging us 4 grand for the core because it's a bad motor through a rod Okay, so he gave me back with a price that It's much better than that was like 13 So he 13 something So roughly 13 K. Yeah further running truck with us will get secondhand order And would we still get the same amount of trade? 35 All right, so it takes you down to say 31 Say it's 16 It's 16 tip or 18 The return on investment The old motor in versus new one we can't we get a better return on the investment put a new motor in Right, and so it's not like we lose by putting new motor we get more money back But here's another There's not a new motor available. We'd have to we have to do a What do we call down truck critical? Which is a rushed thing rush thing you send them the specs they make of they build a motor for us And they make a church is used one I can have that truck running in two weeks And then we get the trade in right away. Okay. Well if we go that far The thing that I'm looking at is Winners about to And Well, what are we gonna do? We're not gonna even if we decide to buy a truck tonight We're not gonna have a truck until January if we put a used motor and we bring that thing back we put Five miles on it and it blows another motor. We're right back where we started It's got the same hours on it as our truck. Well, that's why I think you should leave the yard That's why I wonder this is not like it's a unique thing. No one's ever heard of these things blowing for right This is a common place thing and we know what miles hours blew out. I think it's big risk that now we're risking that 18,000 or 14,000 well, that's my $1000. I think it's worth that I think we live along with that's most highway partners don't have a backup truck is my understanding we do I Think we just that's a lesser risk than bringing this thing back and risking $14,000 It's your phone that's gonna ring when I can't I can't phone ringing is better than phone phone ring because it takes longer to open a route Is better than a phone for many phone to ringing and heads being rolled Or whatever threat threats of heads being rolled or hold at us Well, that's why I'm wondering just manage can you imagine the publicity? We're out we're on as the film rolls. We're on here again. Yeah, we brought the motor back We know this thing was on Potentially ends last legs and it blew after a thousand miles. He's not warranting this thing. Is he I will use motor So this is why I'm wondering but you're also you're also 13,000 versus 29,000 Yeah, but then we can't get anything for You're not gonna get anything it's way more than 13,000. That's why I'm wondering what our options are with So that if we're gonna do that you can get it ordered right away Yeah, well, that's what he's saying. It's still November It's whether it's lease or it's right But at least we know that we've got this truck ordered and we can limp along maybe using the spare If you say it's September then it's two months to me. That's November not January. Yeah So what are our options? Demand The slot is open to order the truck in September or October would not the chassis would not be delivered till November And then there's two months of build time. That's not what he said He said we would have the chassis in September and it's two more months to to layer on that Yeah, it's mark J&B for Western Star is March Do you get it all fit up? All right to have the truck the cabin chassis That's the problem. We're in yeah, I mean even if we decide to spend the money. We don't have a truck available, right? It's that much time out. That's why is there a use a different Western Star use truck We can buy somewhere. Yeah Not all plowed up No, but I want but then you say it takes like two months to get it off Retro fit it up, right? That might be even better We can find you use one that hasn't been pushing pushing snow Then it's then it's you know, it's potentially better shape for the hours. It may be hard to find I could look into the truck that he's going to take them up that use motor out of he said he allowed 35,000 for that's what he's got into it. I don't know if that's the same truck as we got No, I'm saying he's she de-semius. I'm gonna use Western Star truck My experience if somebody's got a Western Star they're keeping it. Yeah, because that runs They're not gonna want to get rid of but if it's out, maybe it's a bad growth, you know, you never know Somebody's welcome to do that research. I don't have time Greg loves to do that I mean, I think this is just a discussion, right, right? Because I think we all have questions and then once again you're buying somebody else's so the Western Star is there's such a backlog of Demand that they can't get some truck till March loaded. Well, their production is sold out for the year Wow, so they won't so it would be next year's production before you would see one now I talked with Charlie boys today And they have one slot left. They have a truck they could get that would Order in either September or October and would probably be here by November We have to commit to it pretty quickly Well, yeah, but we can't just do it. I mean is that a lease lease to lease to lease purchase. We can do the lease purchase, correct I'm waiting for the numbers on the municipal lease Yeah, the truck is a hundred and No, we're not gonna get the trade on the other truck You got a Charlie boys, right? You don't want that So if Jane Jane B doesn't have one that we could get that's least No, Jamie B slot for Western Star's are all used up until next year Well, I'm not certain of that. I guess I didn't I wasn't certain I wasn't aware of these slots when I had the conversation with Bill Clary So I he might have a slot. I don't know. I don't know that. Do you have his bills personal cell phone? Can we call him? Just to find out that question have it at the Card we he could say yeah, I can get you that truck. It's all I got's the office here in the car Yeah, I do have it at the shop I Mean it's a dilemma it really is I understand what you're saying, but But I mean, I need to know what you guys want to do. Are we looking at definitely buying a new truck? Or are we thinking about I thought we left here saying we're buying a new truck and we're not buying it international And we're buying a Western Star How to do it, but we want to maximize our return on on the broken-down truck that was the conversation We had and that's what I was talking about and that's and I remember we said let's look at a lease to lease to purchase because we haven't Town meeting kind of thing for buying a new truck, and you know what will happen So what other information do you have I have lease information, okay, so he Make copies Figured it on a hundred and eleven thousand dollars. No, that's just the truck how much hundred and eleven thousand For anyone That's just the Chance that's just the cabin chassis, right? That's a Western Star. Yes 111 K Okay, and then the rest of it It's a five-year lease Interest rate is three point nine nine At the end of the five years you own the truck payments would be 16,393 and then Could we lease purchase to plow equipment to Will the equipment fit from the can but It's used it's got seven years under it's belt It's rusty, so it's 16 393 just for the hundred and a lot Peace payment. Yes, and then how much is it for all the other stuff that goes on Around 70,000 total So that's all the Outfitting that's the body the plows the hydraulic pump 70,000 I think it was our last truck was 67. That doesn't only sound that bad to me, so it's a hundred and eighty thousand dollars Yeah, so how about considering putting an old motor in the truck and then just trying to sell it ourselves instead of trying to trade That way we can go somewhere else Put it on the marketplace try to sell it for 40 50,000 dollars So let's see you think we can have to tie it up. Do you think we can get that? I have no idea. I mean Toby's good at selling stuff. Yeah, I know but we also had a pickup truck some years ago for sale And we wanted to sound it cheap could we couldn't sell it? It's that's that's a whole nother job you know Alfie's car and truck sales Ribbons out that I wear no that's how credible in the state inflating. Yeah So well unless Toby's willing to take over trying to sort of the other thing to do is just fix the other Try to trade that in somewhere else besides J&B Well, it didn't that What's the other place? The deal where it's gonna cost more to fix the truck right if we don't go with J&B He's giving us a break. That's right I'm just giving us this hair out of the old motor. He's not charging us for as a lot of conversations Correct. He's only charging us for the install and he's giving us Upward new motors give us cost, but he has it. He already has a used motor in apps, right? Do they have a truck that we could rent? Well, this one at J&B's that while this one is being done They used to be both J&B and cars used to have a truck that they would rent But I know what about they got rid of it because of insurance purposes and the other place you can run the truck It's not like you're running, you know a mini-man obviously for summertime use Yeah, we could go run a truck for summertime use, but not everybody has a truck ready to plow and sing Right, so it sounds to me like what I'm hearing is We want to go with repairing And putting in this new motor in the old truck so that we can have it for trade You're gonna check with J&B to see if they have a slot for a Western star And we want to go with the lease purchase So we could do it sooner because we don't have to have time to have a special town meeting Because you got a you know, it didn't take between the election coming up and stuff It's gonna take this a month or a month and a half because you have to give so much notice to have a special town meeting See the 30 days or 45 days. So I just I have another question. Is it a question Toby brought up that We couldn't get a Western star until March or fit it up that came from J&B that information That's what he told me So maybe their slots are filled up correct that may be the issue and I talked to Cindy Latt and Charlie Boyce today He said he has one slot left But we're not gonna get the deal Well, I wonder if Charlie Boyce would tell that they pick that thing up at J&B and they would give us That's again complicated. Well, right They don't feel the responsibility of blowing up a motor in the truck they sold that's why I know that's why we have to leverage on J&B is rising Right If we take that truck anywhere else We're gonna Charlie Boyce. We're gonna pay full board to do it and if we Charlie Boyce only give us probably $8,500 for it too No, as it is as is with no motor and they'll give you $8,500 I'll give you $8,500 The way it is because then I'll take the load of sand too But we don't want to do that that's not that's not responsible to let that truck go for $8,500 You've got $6,500 with a rubber underneath right can't do that. I won't do it. Yeah. Yeah, that's not responsible So I think I think we're stuck. We have to fix that truck Right. We have to fix it. So the choices we have are either a used motor or a brand new motor Okay, so I think But what I promise we're obligating ourselves to buy from J&B and he may not have a truck for us No, no, no, no That's only if we accept the $10,000 from Navist J&B will still fix the truck. J&B will still fix these prices that I just gave you for fixing Are independent of 2010 So if we if we commit to buying a Almost a jump, but it's not an international if we commit to buying an international we take $10,000 off both of those fixes So 15 grand for the For the second hand motor now becomes five grand out of the town's market. Yeah And the 29 now becomes 19 if we commit to an international We don't want it. My stomach turns about right now. That's right. Yeah So I think that we are forgetting about that $10,000 And so now our decision is do we put a used motor or a new motor? Okay, so have to fix this truck and a new motor doesn't sound like So I think the question then you need to pose is Ask J&B If there any way we can get a truck on This this year models truck model truck because we heard that there's other other suppliers who could get us one Um, if they say absolutely not Then I think we then ask um, I lost my trend of thought Charlie boys Oh ask charlie boys, but they would give us trade on the running truck with the used motor So you're suggesting Right because we had this special order a new motor. That's a whole project. So get the used motor um, and then ask Um, I mean charlie boy charlie boy just needs to know we got a truck with this many hours on our model However, you calculate it what we give us trade you need to know about blown motor. They probably know about it Everybody in the state knows about this We're a test case again, yeah Yeah You've done a really good job doing research and getting prices and well I beat in $3,000 just in a conversation Right. He came up here with 15 15 9 and I got him down to 13 No, you had you did a good job on repairing that on that motor and and I think if we put the used motor in there and we limp it along We now still we haven't we have our spare truck back If it does get into winter And would you use that truck as a spare instead of the current spare? I would I would have to do that You would use the truck that we are We'd use the sparrows our primary this would just be back up. Yeah, and so we get the new truck and we're not racking up miles on it We're not, you know, we're not we're not going to load it to anybody Rackle into what's there over there or I think we just Park it park it as much as possible Cliff So they won't if we go With j&b the used motor they won't give us any kind of warranty At all that's confirmed Um, I didn't ask that specific question, but it's a used motor. I can't imagine we'd imagine Do anything other than saying our work would be they won't honor a warranty our warranty that ran out a month before this catastrophic incident right a month That was a manufacturer warranty, right? No, it was an extended Extended j&b it was a special j&b extended warranty extended warranty So The warranty is I'm pretty certain not not there for us. Yeah, we use motor How we got any quotes or rough figures indicating We didn't do a deal The j&b And we just got somebody to put a motor into that truck regardless whether it was used or new What that would cost I've got a price from Clarks, okay But again, they they would have to special order the motor and they have to Tool up and everything else and that's And that's that's what's pushing me to go with this used machine this used motor as I can have it in two weeks Right now it's right down the road in two I don't think we disagree with that I mean, that's the only thing that's attractive. I would love to have a brand new motor in there I would then I would then I could worry free for for a year. Okay. So here's this is Where what I'm hearing them so maybe we can all come to some kind of an agreement That We would put in the used motor Bring the truck back including the lotus hand It would become the spare And only be used by callus. You wouldn't loan it out to anybody Given the situation we would See if j and b Has a slot available for a western star at least to purchase um And if they don't then I think we have to go And look at this charlie boy's face, right? If you get I mean you got to have to find out like tomorrow the next day Whether they have a slot because what toky's saying is that other slot's available but not for long And so I think is that what I'm hearing is is that what you agree with? So the afrin has something that he can go on and get this done because it's been going on for meeting after meeting All right cliff so I just found the cliff Yeah, I agree with This course proposed course of action We we're not under any obligation of j and b to buy something from them if they put this used engine in for us At the what they the price they've given us that's right But if we did the new one, I think No, no, okay. So those prices I gave you does not include 10,000 There's no strings attached. There's no strings attached. Okay. So I think that's the other thing would be in going this route We put the used engine in we keep this truck on ice as much as possible And that also would provide an opportunity for toby to see if you could find a buyer for it. Well, it's sitting That's a good idea Can you do that toby? Okay, but you always stop the fire truck They have water instead of stand So the thing is once we put the motor back in then the truck is a tradable truck So wherever we go, we're going to get the best value, right? So that's the only thing that we really should consider once we get the truck back is to use it as a trade vehicle Right, if you can't sell it out right quickly, then we'll have to use it as a trade I think we should just make that phone call the Charlie boy and see what the trade would be with the truck Right, so I think it was a higher trade Right, it's 35,000. Pardon me.  That's a lot of trade then we would get From in Charlie boys new new truck price would be about the same as Jane B's. Yeah, Jane B's was 111 Charlie boys is 116 He's a higher than everybody New York no, he's in Milton Right, but they also don't like this international. They know this international Right, I didn't know it's track right All right, so does that is that good is everybody on the same page? So with that, so I'm paying paying Jane B 13-5 for a used motor Install going down the road, right?  It's going to sit there unless it's absolutely We're not gonna load it out to anybody because we know what can happen I mean if anybody's in a drive, it's going to be for whatever reason it's going to be Like you or somebody that will pay attention to noise. I know everybody's a little bit gun shy about these motors I am as well But jambi's not going to put a motor in there. That's going to blow up tomorrow And he doesn't need that in his on his record. He can't know what's going on Internally, I mean they can sound good All right It wasn't a compression and what do you do with a motor you do compression It wasn't a compression issue It would test out perfect that I wrote it up blue would test out perfectly right And that was probably a bearing thing or overheating thing overheating, right? Yeah, so That just happens so and then the other piece of this is you're going to check with jb to see if they have a slot open If not, we're going to go Talk to charlie boy try to get them down to the price of jb So what 11 versus 116 that's five dollars difference 5000 And where did I see you The original quote that I got from Charlie Boyce was more than that So this is the latest that I got today. Okay, so there's very many Changes in respect to I would definitely take a look at those specs because there's a a lot of money can change That's right there 139 136 now That was the very first quote that I got from sandy So i'm just saying I got caught once before yeah, and that's why I don't do business with clerks is because they changed the spec We can only got a quoted me in price and then when the when it come time for us to decide The spec was totally different It was a lesser lesser truck the rear ends were less weight everything was less I don't do business with clerks because of that. They tried to pull one over on us. Yeah And so I will just make sure that those specs are Yeah, I mean you should have a station really scrutinized them. Yeah Okay, all right, so I guess the question is if the spec is good and we talk them down to 5000 plus or minus Are we moving ahead? Yes, and signing a lease and of course taking the slot so we can move ahead. That's what we want to do That tomorrow if you can clear all that out By tomorrow, and he's you agree to at least purchase tomorrow Is that good for you? Yes I'd love to drive into western standard All right, so so we will Find out the value We'll talk to say I'll talk to sandy tonight and say, okay, we're gonna you want to have a 2012 international with a plow on a body Traded in with a used motor in it ready to go give me the price of the trade in And I'll have alfred make sure that the spec is exactly what he wants And we'll try to we'll try to motorist Comments for hours comparable to the original truck Whatever so so basically what's on the odometer is what they're getting Now like they have to make any adjustments But if he has a slot we should jump on it for a western start. Yes, absolutely. I think that's that is what we're saying That's what I heard. I think I think if we can do that through jbs who we do you know out of obligation, but You got we got a department to run, right? If they can't meet our needs and And we're already it's already going to be late getting it, but give j&b the first option. Yeah, you know personally I don't know what their percentage markup is on these things, but when all fitted up We'd be buying from jmb 180 000 truck in with a warranty being Inspired for a mere month. They couldn't say look it's expired, but we're willing to Comp you a used motor. We got one in the back of the shop It's kind of kai would normally cost you 15 875, but we're going to give it to you That would have been would have been such an active good faith And it's for someone that does the kind of volume they do and when you run a selling equipment 180 k a piece I think that's really bad business personally I'm a little disappointed. Maybe their margins aren't that good. Well, a different company does the fit up So jb just does the cabin chassis I love jb did it all I don't know they do they do all their cabin chassis But still Clark just did you buy the three? No, no, no, okay Clarks sometimes will will buy the equipment so that they go to truck all together And that's how the truck fit it But not always not most most most towns that buy a truck buy a cabin chassis Then they hire hb fairfield or biking to to put it together It's only it's only on occasion that that a jb or a clark's will buy a truck Buy the equipment for a truck and put it together so they can have another showcase That's it. They're two separate And most road guys prefer one plow versus another versus a body versus this versus that so it's you know So you could build the truck And maybe nobody would like the combination you put together, so that's the problem you face as well And you use that to that extra 70 grand in the truck that you might not sell I think we're good have a good night's sleep Now you go now, right? Yeah, well that's that's just It's just the decision that we've been struggling with and I think we just made it right and I think I think it was a good process For all of us to understand. Yeah And like I said, I think you did a great job You're working with jayme b and negotiating and all that stuff something you're not done. Yes, thank you You're halfway there Anything else on the agenda that I need to be here for tell us about the trees All the trees I brought showing tell you didn't see it out there. Oh, is that what is that you brought a tree? I saw That's the basswood tree It's like six feet up it was hollow That piece that I cut out was speed up so the hollow part went even further Can I have a piece? Thank you That is cool. I don't know where is this tree. It's right there. Go look outside the door The door? Go look. You walked right by it. You walked right by it. Did anything else? And so now we went right ahead it was that jack-o'-lantern Moscow woods hearing on it and It was declared that it was that it was a hazard tree. All right, and that's the proof So so something we should trust our forest or our tree board. Yes, we should we're to carver to rats Didn't did a lot of dead things come running I mean a lot of critters come running out of it Didn't see them. I mean it happened so fast Yeah, I mean there's not a lot of basswood trees around Oh, there is It's a junk tree. It's really narrow around my field. Oh, unfortunately They kind of can look like ash. I'm like I'm gonna ash. I'm like, oh, no, it's basswood All right, well, thank you. I thought I was making a couple of drums out of the hollow. There you go. You know cut them into So where is the rest of the tree? It's underground it's gone. No underground Well, I don't have much of a place to put brush and stuff like that. So the project on apple hill We found a site uh sandy sandy The people that came in for the hearing They were here for the hearing on apple hill They have a pond That was supposed to was meant to be a pond. It's a big hole in the ground They want to fill it. So I've been bringing them dirt Oh good. So we have our ash done Well, yeah as long as as long as it's We'll accept it. They want to fill it soon. So I'm trying to get as much stuff in it as I can But they're super kind to oh, this is the old chamberlain place.  Yeah, trust me. I know all about that What was he doing trying to get a phone? Yeah, just wanted to put one in a place that was The absolute wrong place and I told him to do that. He drilled a well because he's gonna fill the well All right, so let us let us you can let us know if the next meeting or Or send us and send us an email or give me a call or We'll be coming out to the town garage. Don't forget next monday The July Second we're all soil right? Are you guys traded for topsoil or something? I went this and went this uh pat malone. He just gave it away. Can I So are you there July 2nd at the garage as far as I know? Okay, I guess it's just July 4th week. I just didn't know if you guys were all there I won't be going away Okay, because cliff and I'll be out like around 9 30 Wait, we're there at six I'm not coming there at six. I can hear it. Okay, so we'll see it six and if you're not there We'll just work without you 9 30 and I'll bring some goodies. How about that? Bye, thank you. Thank you very much Oh man, what a mess this whole motor thing has been going on for about months Oh way longer than that. Yeah, it's not the resolution. It's not a good one No, what else are you gonna do? There's better and there's worse, but there's no good one. No I mean, I think we're doing the best we can by the taxpayers Yeah, this way It's bad scene it is a bad scene and that and I don't blame alfred for not wanting to get another international Yep It gives them a really it gives them a black eye. It really does especially when they wouldn't really help us out Yeah, and we just have to make sure that on that capital plan for replacing these trucks I mean trying to get seven years out of something like that I know greg recommends a five-year plan, right? Well, maybe the western stars the last one. Yeah Well, I think that's something we have to look at. Yeah, maybe greg would agree that they are a better truck So, yeah, because you get a lot of use of the nation of the fighter plan based upon Five-year warranty Yeah, right, but he didn't know that this other truck was under a seven-year warranty and it was Seven years in one month. All right. We got to move on or else we're gonna be here forever Um, are you good John with all the truck stuff now? Me? Are you okay? Move on and start some more. I've heard enough about trucks. It's like that We didn't get a color Ready. I think now it's time to change the color. Okay. I want blue Is that a mp3 Jackson? All right conservation commission would like to use some money out of the conservation fund I think there's like four Grand or something in there now and eight thousand will be going in as of july 1st They obviously don't want to use that much They would like to have matt peters come and meet with them For like four hours. He charges 54 dollars an hour that comes to 216 dollars And then they're working with some of the landowners remember that had the natural resources inventory stuff done And some of those landowners they're working with to try to get them to pay half The town would pay half to do a better study So do we want to authorize them to Be able to spend up to a thousand dollars and then if they need more they have to come back to us Does that make sense? So a thousand So do the math again 54 dollars an hour They can they're going to ask matt peters to meet with the conservation commission At 54 an hour for four hours that comes to 216 dollars if matt works with Some landowners the ones that had the natural resources inventory done the landowner pays half of That's hourly wage the town pays half so that comes out to what 20 54 divided by 2 27 The town would pay 27 the landowner would pay 27 That gives them quite a bit of Um Hours to use if they use that money. Yeah So I would make a motion that we authorize the conservation commission To spend an amount not to exceed a thousand dollars For matt peters to do further work on the natural resources inventory Um Meeting with the conservation commission and meeting with landowners Further discussion I just hope that it doesn't become an accounting nightmare You know as far as landowners and You know, yeah, you know, so we got to make sure that they'll let them Yep, they got to figure that out because they got to give it that well It's really up to matt peters to our sign a contract. We don't we only obligated up to a certain amount, right? Okay, that's a good idea. Yeah, we're not going to be backing up the landowners. They don't know no We said at conservation commission So we can add an amendment to the motion to say that um Any work with landowners? The town is only paying half of matt's hourly rate Requires matt to And requires matt to do the to handle the contracting with the landowners and Cannot obligate the town for any more than 27 hours an hour regardless of what he receives That matt peters and Understands That the town is only obligating itself For the landowner work at a rate of 27 dollars an hour And it's up to him To collect any balances from the landowners and that the town is not Committing to covering defaults Yeah by landowners Thank you. Yeah Thank you rosen All right Is there a second to the amendment? Got it. Okay Okay, all those in favor, please say aye. Aye and the opposed hearing none Okay, and when katie does the draft minutes, I'll send them to the conservation commission so they know All right treasurer update So sandra She has been working her Yeah Well, I asked her to do this because she has a sick and injured daughter So I was trying to find a way for her not to have to come in excellent, um so in addition to the memo She put together the packet with Um the budget to actual on the delinquent tax report, so I guess this too a bit extra work for katie It was going to be for Sharon, but she's not here. Okay So I think we all read the memo The auditors I met I was in here Were you here with me? Yeah, we met the audit was one of the wednesday. We met the auditors. They're very good From powers and Sullivan and powers. I mean those guys in two days They read all these minutes and they reviewed this and they reviewed that and they went back to their office and said that they can Um, you know a couple more weeks and they'll close out fy 17 and they'll work on 18 Um One of the things we have to do tonight Is I don't think we want to Review this line by line here tonight this budget to actual but I will review it at home between now and the next meeting And maybe depending on what questions we have We can ask standard to come in and talk to the board or Put together some questions and get her to answer them for us Um So that's where we're at with the end of the fiscal year update Sullivan and powers We have the loan documents here to sign tonight. We talked about Um for the town hall And the interest rate is I was a score That was very good. Like I said, she's done a bang up job 2.74 Excellent for the $200,000 um loan for improvements to the town hall So we've got a bunch of places we need to sign it, but we need to make a motion for us to sign the town hall loan documents With the community The loan is from community bank The amount of the loan is 200 000 The interest rate is 2.74 percent and the um loan runs from June 30th 2018 2018 2019 the first 2023 the first payment is due next year next at the end of june of 2019 because we're in 18 um And they're going to look at the audit when it's done So they were willing to to waive that requirement because it was being worked on Um So I think it's good. So so can we use that as the motion? Did you get that? So I'll make the motion I need a second second Okay, all those in favor, please say aye. All right Any opposed? All right, so I'll pass this around every place. There's a green arrow We need to sign And we'll have the money. Did she say anything? No, we don't have the money Yes It's like first or second week of july And that is what the voters authorized us to borrow so What else audit she explains about the audit Consolidation of bank account. Yeah, we did that last time. We had a motion last time. Yeah um, I Nemrick she's been working with um Cynthia from Nemrick who I met was wednesday, right? We met Cynthia Um, and they have done a bang-up job. She's going to be on friday this week Hand inputting each employee Into Nemrick because you have to do each person individually And don't forget she agreed to continue to pay the road crew weekly Wasn't an issue Um, so emrick will be online effective for july 1st She says great. I know Oh, I'm sorry. I'm not paying attention. Here we go. Thank you. Sorry Okay, a couple a couple other things. Um Right now Like the end of the year is june 30th that falls on a Saturday There will be some last minute invoices that need to get paid We don't meet again until july 9th So sandra suggested that we have Like maybe me and somebody else from the board Authorize the sign-off on Orders and instances like this where there's a holiday where there's the end of the fiscal year It's a kind of an emergency We need to have to we have to say who you Okay, yeah, all right. You do all that stuff So, um We just needed to have it in the record. Yeah, and then of course the orders would come to the board the next full meeting to be reviewed Just like we do now. Yeah All right, all those in favor, please say aye Okay Can I follow on your black pen because I don't want to sign this in blue. Oh, come on. I want to be symmetrical Okay, the new copiers here No, this is all black So did you see the new copier probably? Yeah, since you didn't notice the long I didn't notice the long the front porch Okay That's here and when that's installed Like katie or clear for somebody you're gonna want to be able to Magically be able to print So, um, it's got wi-fi like like bluetooth or something I don't know Can they set it up so that she can print from home? It might be able to if it's a wi-fi connection. Yeah, because then if we needed something for our meeting you could just Zing it there and it'll be all here and copy when we got here Wouldn't that be cool? You could also take your flying saucer down here Okay, yeah, they're installed tomorrow. So that would be a question. It's like a smart phone Can we access this from And sometimes you want to be able to get into stuff So you need to have access to You need you probably need to have some kind of access to that front. You're right. I don't need it Yeah, you know same thing we're here in the meeting and right put something So you and katie should both probably somehow have access But I'm sure we're in the building. That's not going to be a problem. The question is can it be done remotely externally? We're not on the network Yeah, I mean it would be nice if you could but maybe it's not possible. You could pull up and Go into a back door and I can print out reams and reams of paper in switzerland They'll take a mirror and figure out who did that Oh, so if you can do it from here to switzerland? Is that true? It's you can do that there? Yeah, but The caveat is is I have to get into their their enterprise resource management software Oh That would ultimately mean the trail that I could figure out. Hey, can you tell us? He's going to be on NCIS Helping them figure out all this stuff Is that right? I don't have to watch that Okay, um, I think that pretty much takes care of Sandra's email. I mean I'll accept that we still the legislature hasn't done anything have it Yes, they voted the budget through a third budget and it's on the governor's desk waiting signature to be vetoed And it's probably gonna get vetoed. Well, we'll see He's got till the other week To sign it I just can't see anyone vetoing that sending this statement to total disarray Pension checks are likely not to be paid Oh I don't think boy just talk about hitting people in three strikes in your out. There's this act 46 then right There's what was the prior thing um Of the school funding thing. Yeah And this and there was a third veto and the state got shut down That would not look good. That's But anyways, so you don't have a hurry Well, I heard you got this the house passed it this morning in the senate passed this afternoon unanimously So that means all the republicans Do they have enough to veto? I don't know because it's usually the they can have a vote House of vote that's unanimous in the senate vote that's unanimous But then when it comes to veto override that the parties tend to Uh-huh Yeah, so what happened to the second generation? Yeah, right So we may have to that's cool So we may have to I talked to candra If that happens and the state shuts down the stuff we can still set the town tax rate And we just may have to end up sending out two sets of tax bills One for the town and then when the Budget stuff gets done at the big house send out another Because what will happen is if we don't send out the town We won't have any money to operate Wow So I don't think they realize in Montpelier What this could mean to towns? All of all these towns are going to have to take out loans and anticipation of taxes or Send out two different sets of tax bills For us, I think sander. I asked the state usually reimburses us july 1 Or no, no, right they commit to it So that you know how to how much to set your school tax rate And then we send out the tax bills remember we send out the tax bill as one Now usually first installments the town the second is always at school So now what we might have to do is send out Just the town tax bill So that we have some money coming in in august to operate otherwise we're gonna have to take years ago though Two equal installments Right, but we're gonna have we may have to do it different and I think sander said it was going to be on it was like Less than 250 maybe to send out two separate tax bills, but we may have to So stay tuned We'll see what happens tomorrow. I don't know if you can watch sounds like you should be on cix Explaining this to the powers that be So here we are But I think it would I think we're gonna My recommendation would be that we would send out At least the town share so we have some money coming in in august So we'll see because it's due to 30 days after the right right So we would have to set the tax rate at our july 9th meeting Okay, I think that's I think that's pretty much it on the treasurer Right It's part of package. Yeah I mean we're down delinquent taxes We have like We're The total amount of delinquent taxes from when Not nadine, but Tax collector had it was like in the 200,000 nadine got it way down. We are now at 16,600 12 dollars in delinquent taxes compared to what we were probably five years ago six years ago So they've done an excellent job Okay, it's another stuff that's going on clg grant rfp freeze callus village If you remember right scott told us a while back that they had applied for the grant with Who is it with it's clg sir, so And we got the grant now they've put out the rfp's a really grand um Can you remind me madam chair what the work to be done? They have to hire a consultant to put together All of the historic building to put it on the national register Because it has to meet certain criteria to go on the national historic register So the consultant has to do all this work to Say this is historic. That's historic You know what's the benefit that that work once it's on this historic register. What's the benefit to the town? Um, it helps us to get grants for other things So let's say we had some maybe we had a bridge That need to be replaced in the village with wood garter else, right? There you go So it does it does give us some opportunities the um, I had this North KLS already has it kets corner All right, yeah So I had it written down. Wow How do you know so much because I read the homework Oh Right So anyways the grant is uh, I didn't oh here we go The National Historic Register Fool me again the grant is I am smart So the town we're asking the state for $7,700 and our in kind share is 7,160 So there's about 26 different people to send this RFP to And um I'll be helping to get that out. Maybe maybe Barbara and I can do it together Um, so there that's what that is. All right contract with the washington county sheriff This is um They're not raising our rates the hourly rate remains at 28 75 and I don't know if they're filled in the amount usually my time to mind your speed It's my town roads so We need to fill in the amount and the amount we budgeted for for Sheriff's patrols. No, I just had that ready to go Tell you 35 miles an hour is fast I was driving into adamant. I was going. I know I was going 30 actually I was going like 34 but I was looking at My gauges happened to be in that come around the corners It's time in after a late afternoon. I was shady and kind of looking dark and it was cloudy And there was a resident come across and it was like between the shade and everything and maybe my old eyes As a contributing factor I was like, whoa And I slowed down like wow, I didn't see it and they're like you need to slow down And I said I was going to speed limit. No, you weren't and I was 35 is fast. It's a big difference between 30 and 35 in terms of what you proceed That's why Do you want to approve the sheriff's contract and we fill in the amount when I find it in budget It's this late. It's like 3000. It's either 3000 or 3500 Why can't I it's it gotta be here where did it go? I just had it other disbursements Maybe not under highway. I know that Ambulance fire Well, while we're looking for that amount, we also need to 23 right now We also need to approve the Woodbury fire department contract And that is I checked the I checked the budget It's 17 850 for the truck Operating is 30,535 and that's exactly what we budgeted. Okay So we can have motion to approve and sign that did you notice Denise in their contract? They had a typo No, there is right there in paragraph six. It says in words the sum 28,650 Dollars and then a parenthesis. It says 30,530 Well, I'll scratch that The next amount is the same thing It says 7162 But yeah, so Good catch I just thought you were smart again Yes She's gonna say I am smart Did you find it in their rooms? No Okay, here's the woodbury thing. All right, so we're with 28,600 And $50 and that's not right I'm wondering if they plagiarized from the contract I think they just copied it And it's chance pay yet now who is the one that Contacted me And where else do you say that wasn't here twice for us three times They said all three of those numbers all three of those numbers Spelled out versions incorrect in all three clauses 7162 and it's 7633 Tell me again. Where's the other one? It's on the same paragraph Just three numbers 14,000 and it's not Okay, so we're just going to go with the she's initial. Yeah, so we're just going to go with the um Okay, we're writing them out. Where did what page was? Sheriff's patrol is on page 24 It's about two-thirds of the way down number six five five zero Sheriff's patrol Three thousand dollars three thousand So I assume that that's what we still want to go with And this contract runs from July 118 through June 30 of 19 And it's the same thing as The same contract as always, okay But we don't know how many To lengthen amount of the contract is three thousand dollars So did anybody make those motions? Okay, so I'll make a motion that we approve the washington county sheriff's department annual contract for three thousand dollars from 7-1 to June 30th, but next year Okay Anybody want to second that? All those in favor please say aye. All right. Okay, I'll send this around for There's two places to sign. There's two contracts. We keep one We send it we send it both backs of sam Can sign them and they keep one and they send us back one Okay, we're very fire department with the chain with the corrections to the Written dollar amounts. Let me see. Is there a safe for like for all of us? Yeah You want to make a motion? Yeah, and we'll move that we Accept the contract as proposed and as initial Then uh, and as with the typos corrected as as um, as noted as noted by Denise Okay, is there a second All those in favor please say aye Okay, that's those things done um I don't know how many people went to play, but it was very well done exceeded my I didn't know what to expect. I had no clue, but it was very very well done sold out. I think almost every night um And Now that the play is done We'll be meeting on wednesday morning um The work can begin on the renovations get he's is all lined up. He actually came out And that with alfred and the building General contractor committee So he's good to go David was concerned and as was historic preservation about the windows even though This guy has a lot of experience He was not they were not convinced That the windows would be safe. So what they suggested After talking to gatties Two places to sign That they'll like the windows go up and down both the top and the bottom go up and down. They're gonna like leave them Slightly open at the top and slightly open at the bottom. So if the building Moves it won't like bang up the windows find up the windows um Alfred's good to go on getting the road crew over there like mid august to help with the excavation Um, there's some issue with the septic Don marshal's been out to With the in elford dug the test pits with the town's equipment um So it may be We don't know yet. We might know by wednesday this week But it's it's definitely not going to be one that can be buried. It could end up being a mound It's got to be a mound No, or it could end up being like a tank that we have to have No Depending upon the size and frequency of the bits Really, it's just our municipal purposes. We're probably far But if we host the weddings or there's the play Right But that part with a mound system, yes That doesn't make sense to me. They can't put a larger tank in that for solids You pump the solids I don't know. We're waiting for more updates on this whole issue, but We also talked about the possibility of when people want to have a wedding or whatever that they have to rent the port of potty Right Yeah, right that mound system would be 40 foot wide by 100 foot long How many lines They didn't mention that I have no idea So that's one of the size 10 The good news is there's High bearing capacity For the soil there's high bearing capacity. So our foundation that we could Yeah So What we need to do is the way that the RRP went out The bids for the demolition are due in I think tomorrow The building committee is meeting on Wednesday So we needed we need to see if we can do a dump give Cliff and I the authority to say Yes, what do you mean by demolition? The demolition on the inside Who's doing that? The town is going to do I don't know if the town is going to pull off them.  Yeah But who's putting that together? It's it it already went out the the general contracting committee people. Oh, okay So And jim Clark Mm-hmm. What a group It's a good start group. Yeah, it is. It's a really good group. A lot of knowledge there. How long has jim been on? From the beginning The general contracting group And they meet like every Every sunday morning So um so that they can get started on the demolition Are you guys comfortable with Their recommendation and Cliff and I saying Sure saying that that makes sense and then we can bring it back to the full board. Yeah at the next meeting So we just want to put that in the minutes, Katie Um, so they're selling the old cook stove out of there or do you sell it already? Um, the the cook stove in the kitchen if I hadn't before it at my house, I would the Glenwood It's a nice old. It's a nice. It's a nice stove and there's the two round Wood stove And What else so what are they gonna do? They're gonna put them up for sale. Yeah after the play Katie Somebody it's almost sounds like Katie's name in maple corner All right, they're about totally new to the area. I wanted to get involved in the community Okay, we're something or other right and her and her husband are gonna take photos. Yeah, okay. Yeah work with um, kdk Yeah needed what try to get looking and doing auction type thing got yeah, see if See if we can get some money a little bit And the cook stove is really nice. Did you get the idea of another player? No This rules that I got one of those hugs at junk Oh, that's right. He's a good Um, nothing to fix. I know spare time my long list of things to fix If you know anyone who needs a range, there's more available. Yeah I've got nearly the same Glenwood in our kitchen. Oh, I love it. It's a great stove I mean you have a cook stove Okay, there's a guy who restores them up in Glover. Nice. Why don't we get another one? How is that? Build So anyways, that's kind of the update on the town hall Issues there's all these little bits and pieces of stuff. I've got a list of stuff to do. We're getting We've got to move the electric line to a temporary location When the building is done all renovated the electric line is going to be underground Um, but while they're working we have to have the power on a separate pedestal thing Along with the phone line and wi-fi so that the people working can have access to stuff Um And Andy Feliz is going to build the the pedestal thing. Really? Yeah So Yeah, what else is going on? There's a whole list of All these little odds and ends things that people you know, you don't even think about until it's like Oh, is he on the contracting committee too? Andy? No, he's not. I've just been hitting him up for Doing things because I think it's good to give the local guy the Some business what else but we should ask At this meeting on Wednesday That just occurs to me Since they're shutting off all of the systems Uh Yeah, they're already looking to get bodies I think that's on the list. I don't think that's one of my things to do They must have been on the beating one of them is out of town. Yeah, I think so Okay, if not, I'll look at the list. I thought I had it with me, but I don't think I do Because it's not in the minutes. Oh, it's not okay from the last meeting that I was at Well, if it's not there then we should bring it up Wednesday Because yeah, because they're gonna have to have someplace and we thought we could use some of the old Sinks and toilets, but we gotta put in low flow And then there was the issue that they found out about the the hard the wood on the downstairs floor We thought we could reuse it. Yeah, and I guess it's like paper thin After the flood and they had to The surface of it and it's got many places less than three quarters And even if you could pull it out, it's so brittle by the time you try to reinstall it You don't remember is that tongue and groove or that plank? I think it's plank. Yeah There's maybe one quarter of the materials that we would be able to use so Um Working with david in historical preservation to see what kind of options other towns that run into similar problems or other projects They run in similar problems what they've done. We know there is you know reclaimed Uh antique if you will wood out there available But it's expensive. So what we would look to do is if we could get a practical solution um the main floor area using historically accurate Wood but for like the kitchen in the entrance area use some other material and composite flooring or something like this So the areas that are going to get the heavy use and the mud off of people's feet and whatnot They even use grates in places so that We're not doing damage to the main wood floor. Right. So that's a I mean to for historic preservation purposes Floor is a big deal. Yeah But it could be really costly. So we're gonna have to work that out. The port of potty thing is on my list of things to do Oh, okay I've never ordered port of potty before It's the one that hard to come clock ends Hard to get is the one that they use that Curtis pond. I think Is that right So we'll see we are we already have a contract with them. Maybe we can just bump up on that one So somebody dumped a tire or two Next to the port of potty and trash can there And wonderful They save three dollars they spend four dollars in gas driving it there. Um Are you guys feeling here? No, what's going on with the town hall? Pretty much you can come to a meeting anytime you want eight o'clock. I'm waiting Wednesdays. Yep. Yeah, stop by And it's just I don't know what you happen to be in the area to stop in and Yeah Um I think they might be under this town the town hall. I don't think we put them on the website just because Road crew job description I didn't have alfred toby stick around for this discussion Not that they couldn't if they wanted to but we've been working directly one-on-one with alfred He's been very involved and Very vocal in a good way. He's been very cooperative So I think we're at a point now Um, it was in the the drive We're at a point now where we're ready to just sign off on it alfred's pretty much agreed to Everything in there. I think he's agreed to everything in there, right? He agreed to everything in there. Um, you know There's been some tweaks to the language, but the content and intent is intact as agreed upon with Really we try to Explain to him that we wanted to give him a tool that he can use in evaluations and also to justify Um, for instance, hey, right And he was very resistant to the idea of you know, we're titles or one on road crew worker two So the agreement as we came up with the entry level entry to and we defined that in terms of years of service But we also put in a clause that says It's determined by years of service within the position or as determined by the road commissioner If alfred feels that you know, you have been with the department five years, right? You have experience It's commiserate Well, we have one um and because we're on camera. I'm not going to mention names But we have one road crew worker who we need to do an evaluation for right away And what I want to do is take This if you guys will we can approve it tonight and put it into Like a spreadsheet and say, you know exceeds expectation All right meets expectations satisfactory Whatever so all that often has to do is go in and check the box. Thanks. Good And that way I think he would be able to justify to the board us That this particular employee is worthy of a merit increase based on his Abilities and his initiatives or credit for skills they bring to the job from previous experience, right? And it's important to recognize Right and we'd like to get going on doing this evaluation for this individual so that we can Make sure that he stays And their raises become effective july 1st anyway, right? But we're looking at maybe giving him an additional Merit because what we've been there several times at the shop and he is always Busy always busy Doesn't stand around his hands in his pocket always It was important for alford that he Have the tools to recognize when People are taking the initiative and exceeding expectations, right and he was in he's Demonstrated to us this particular person in fact does and I've seen it myself Yeah, I read the job description And I thought and there's no reason why we can't change it if it doesn't work or alford has a different Right, you know, so it's it because it says on the last page it can be updated You know by the select board at any time So could we get a motion to approve the job description by his job? Second second all those in favor, please say I Okay, that's done I wanted to give you a quick But an update of stuff that I've been doing and the auditors pointed out We do we have to do she's The auditors in this short time they were here went and looked at minutes and my pay Had only been authorized through the end of June so Um, I would ask that you reauthorize the site my monthly stipend yeah So we need a motion to do we're gonna do this. I so we need to decide how long I'd like to authorize it for the next quarter July, August, September End of September, okay, so we're not going to remember do it on a quarterly basis Okay My proposal Second I'm not going to vote, but there's three of you to vote. So All those in favor And I'm going to abstain Okay, you already gave us authority to review the demolition demolition bids To cliff and I And then we'll report back You already heard about the new copier. Here's a really nice Thing Remember melanie from father gill? She left father gill. She's got I didn't know she has five kids So she's home with the kids for a while and um She has been coming in On her own time free of charge to help sandra Um, and she would like to be she may want to be considered to be you know, we have the auditor by charter even though the Salomon empowers people Are liking the segregation of duties that we have currently We still maybe want to still think about having an auditor for the charter melanie may be willing to do this at a Volunteer basis why? because she said that Currently she doesn't sit on any boards or commissions or Anything like that to give back to a community And she likes calis and she loves calis and she likes us She lives in like Essex or Milton or wilson or something. She needs to get away from the kids probably But if we had an audit if she would be willing to do that Um, you know, maybe she only has to come in every month or quarterly and I would I think we need to pay our gas miles Even now very generous and also if she agrees to this I would think I would insist that she takes some kind of a stipend Yeah, I've got to say You know, I don't think anybody should do that especially With five kids for free But anyway, I thought it was really really nice of her and she knows our system And she's the one who was never encouraging us to switch to number And now we're almost there. So she's thrilled awesome Wow, fantastic. Yes We've already did the Not any warrants in between meetings Okay, well, um We talked about the person that needs to get evaluated on the road crew Um, we I mentioned with toby and alberg we're here. We signed the letter of intent to participate in the cvrpc DEC the municipal roads grant and aid program So that's just kind of like a re-upping um I went to the many commissions meeting On june 19. There was a couple of conservation commission members there It started off a little Awkward, but there's some history There but it ended up. It was a great meeting. They did they have worked so hard Every member of the planning committee of the planning commission was open-minded To making additional changes. They really really tried hard To hear what was said the first time around and Co-operate and make changes and they're willing to continue to make changes. Um Stephanie had some specific suggestions was this is specific to the shoreline. Yeah. Yeah um And they said they would rather Like not push it to get it to us to get it to a vote next march. They'd rather do it right than Try to bring it through which I thought was great They asked Stephanie to give them in writing Her ideas and and changes and she agreed to do that No, it went it went very very well they have clearly Listened and put in a lot of time and effort. I was really impressed. It's an amazing change Yeah, it's just Yep um So that was that we talked about the east catalyst nomination um Sandra asked the auditors Sullivan and powers Um about domestic partner stuff because I'm having ahead of the time with that And they found a federal regulation which now I have something to go on So I'll be picking that back up to See what's Oh insurance. Yeah, but for domestic partners one of the road crew wanted to know And they're still struggling with that. I'm still struggling with that, but we'll get there Um popular cemetery Is going to be come To the top of callus and something here to be clear by statute. We're obligated to take this right and are we aware that Things falling into the river Well, that's some of the stuff that we should be aware of We're taking on a huge Huge potentially huge liability here financially. Well, it can Jim Barlow review this before we Oh, yeah, I've already asked him to Is he laid out all these different things you got to make sure you do? And check out So, um, I mean, I don't know at the cost of Of course, I mean rip wrapping a stream is a big deal right permitting wise and stuff and there's a cost to that And the longer you wait, I'm guessing the more extreme their response is going to need to be and I don't My recollection it's a pretty high bluff there. I was never there. Where is it? And off of route 14 and salt sand and there are Graves that are Approaching the river the new the moving river bank And so then that You know do is are we gonna have to deal with the gravy location and the cost of that? Yeah, I just just want us to understand what we're getting into They're having a meeting on a Wednesday night, but I their meetings now always end up being when I have a Health center board of directors meeting but I can meet with A couple of the commissioners separately, but I've already got Jim in the loop And he's going to review any documents before anything happens um But I will bring these other issues up Because that's important to know Um And so how does that affect the budget? I mean all of a sudden I know our cemetery budget is built on what we have and now all of a sudden we have a new cemetery so I know and and they've only got I think there's maybe Because I asked how much money they had left in their endowment fund or whatever is a trust fund That's like three thousand and something dollars so But it is my statute and there's There are a few remaining funds carrying from the private nonprofit that we're taking in front Yeah, that's the three thousand and something dollars three thousand. Yeah So stay tuned on that one And I really think I want Jim to be really involved in this because I don't want us to get in a mess For sure So, um, I guess the question I had would you want We're paying Jim so much a quarter anyways Is everybody okay with us just Having Jim do this work and not take it out of the cemetery budget Yeah Because I mean I think it's illegal matter. It's pertaining to This is counted in yeah, it's it's illegal matter. It's the transfer of a real estate. Yeah Yeah, because they have to do deeds and Title searches and all that stuff So so there so that's What's going on with that? I noticed another My thing over the weekend. I was waiting for my phone. Oh, yeah, but I think I think that was the one that Judy sent the announcement out on that was going to happen Where are we heading with all that? Well, I wanted to know if you wanted to We put pressure on the school and yet there's other things going on There was no pressure. I don't guess I'm right. We didn't know about it. Right. Right. No, we didn't So the question is is do we want to put on the agenda For a future meeting to have to have a discussion about a special event ordinance Yeah, you know, okay And do we think other towns are doing that Berlin is I have a sample from Berlin And I'm not saying this whole thing with liability league. Is it a real true liability or is like you can you can get trouble for anything? Yeah, I don't know illegal thing. We need to Well, obviously have to have Jim involved in this that person. We don't why I have no no ordinance We don't have to I don't either But it is a liability issue And the school insurance wouldn't put a waiver I mean our insurance doesn't cover it our insurance won't cover it. Oh, it wasn't clear on that Well, we wouldn't be liable If somebody got hurt, right, that's why we have insurance, right our insurance would not cover that I'm not a hundred percent sure. I'll have to double check on it. But I my understanding was that we wouldn't Towns insurance wouldn't cover it because it was a school event.  Um, rest apartment. We talked about that Right. Oh I saw I'm one of my Little I don't read all those emails that come in about act 46 on that listserv But the Brattleboro select board Get a resolution. I don't know. I did not see that one. Did that come in? I don't know if Anybody pays any attention to those or not But we could reward it but do a similar Resolution, I don't know whether we could get the school board to go in on it jointly There's an email that the governor's office Did you get a response? I know they're really busy, right? Oh, yeah, they're doing busy detail. I'm not expecting that they get back in the right away So I'm not sure they're welcome up So, I don't know if you want me to draft a put together a draft and maybe we can look at it the next meeting I'm pretty proud of the representatives there. They're they're willing to stand their ground And make this state's gonna step in step in we want to see you do it. That's what I think needs to happen Um, I think just like I said that I've said over and over again. They're real constitutional issues Because it involves property that's held the fee simple title and you cannot take property Um From people remember I've got that compensation and the state can't do that and for the state to come in and commandeer Or allow a district to come into your property. Our school is held and fee simple title by our town So remember I think I got that deed where like I said over my dead body I will lay down in front of the police cars on that one Well, I think I've got that piece of paperwork that says that the property is the town's that's right I would support um drafting a resolution like that and you know just I I just feel like Maybe the way our supervisory union Is set up and maybe this is the way supervisory unions are set up in other parts of the state where we have our elementary schools That feed a middle and high school in a way. We kind of have a shared Or maybe they tried to prove that we've been doing this since the 1970s and so for us And the way everything works is fine And it's been a thoroughly researched issue For years that you know the board um the special board where you wouldn't regret them Yeah, we went Greg and I went to the meeting Wednesday. There was a lot of people speaking up Yeah, there were many, uh, as you said callous was very well represented and um 20 representatives or something and and um and and and I would definitely support drafting a resolution like that because um When that law was drafted it said, you know this alternate governance, you know, and then the alternate and We came up with the alternate and we're doing what we're doing and we shouldn't be just throwing out well and then like I raised the point that um The school belongs to the callous taxpayers. There's no the taxpayers are the ones that paid for that school And we we decided right not to incur debt to pay our bills as we went where we had a sinking fund There was a lot a lot of conversation And it's it's in the town's prerogative to use whatever approach you want and other towns chose to bond Well, we have bonded like right And stuff We were responsible. Yeah, and now the towns that I had to do something different We're going to have to help them pay off all that debt It's not there. Yeah, and as they mentioned at that meeting on Wednesday night Um, initially when this was sold to the residents of ramon, they said it was you know to um save money And now they're not saying that it's now. So now they're changing it to something else. Yeah Yeah, they're just And and to for me to believe that a a board with a single board With a handful of representatives rather than in all those All the volunteer effort we get from all the boards from all the towns There's only so much time in each volunteer's budget and When you reduce it to five people, they're gonna I don't know what they're gonna put their jobs and and they're gonna be more responsive to children's needs These outlying towns I don't see it happening. No, I don't either and michael dwayne stood up and made a very good point At the beginning of the meeting and he said can you guarantee that you will not hire An associate director to the director an associate director to the deputy of the director Assistant to the associate to the deputy because he knows how state government works because eventually we'll just all become You know, so unmanageable to be very top heavy Yeah, so, um, you know, I Definitely would support directing resolution because this is not okay Well, as I said, it's a travesty We're any of our representatives. They're senators or jannet answer there and kim jessef Did they speak jannet answer jannet answered a question that was presented Um, and I don't think kim really spoke did you? I don't know. I don't know if she is no. She didn't say she's my failure. I talked to her afterwards She's been a really great. Yeah so any who And that leads me to remind you that july 9th We have the meeting with the school board I think there's three things on the agenda One to talk about the trash people. So I have to brush up on that um back 46 and the Community engagement piece Which I put that last because I can see the whole meeting being taken up with those other two items And if we don't get to the third one We'll talk about it later. Yeah, these are the two most pressing issues right now. I have food ordered from East callas store That I'll pick up at 530 Great. I have a nice little dinner It's going to be vegetarian pasta primavera salad cookies that kind of stuff. So One hundred hundred bucks And I've ordered that store. Yeah, and I've ordered enough like so for katie cat fair So we can have enough or hopefully everybody. Yeah um Oh one thing worth noting is that susanna culver Was not at The meeting last was Busy No A couple of things I'd like to ask you guys For you to give us a quick update on the we need to do a minutes this time. We didn't do them last time Can you give it you've heard about the horse issue? I call it maple corner area. I was corrected. It's not maple corner So I don't know what area you call it, but it's over on that side of town western edge of county and it's um A resident named elizabeth shed spelled with an s and wilson is going Back and forth back and forth. He's contacted the ag department Um, I think over the last he just sent an email today with somebody else He had contacted cliffs gone with him a couple of times to elizabeth's house because I thought maybe So another person another body. She's been parking her wagon covered up with a blue tarp in the road The wagon some wagon she has horse wagon So I'm gonna ask cliff to give a cliff to give an update here's the wagon and the horses Yeah, she parked back up there it is And there's the the lighter colored horses the one that's got this big gaping hole In its chest. I think you've got a picture of that too, right? Yeah Where had that stick in it? So I'm actually thinking about calling I'm thinking about calling the state Veterinarian doesn't that doesn't aim isn't there a state veterinarian at the health department? Yes I'm thinking about calling that what do you think they all deal with uh Like rabies and stuff like that. Yeah, I mean you can call I don't think there's like nobody to take nobody to take care of this so there used to be Some other laws in place that we could have been in a position to do something about this As usual and recent times things have been thrown onto the backs of the towns from the state This is one of those cases and the recourses that are available to us seem to be Circular. Oh, well, you need to get law enforcement involved and law enforcement says well, you need to get your local animal control involved legally the only Recourse we would have to Create something called a pound keeper. This is straight from Jim And this is something we don't want to do if we did The pound keeper would have the authorization after submitting the Warning saying you need to address the situation if you don't address it by this state, we will impound these animals Because this animal control Wilson can only really deal with cats dogs the pound keeper can deal with other types of critters um The pound keeper does the requisite letters in the warnings and if nothing happens They have the authority to impound animals and then adapt what might it just becomes who's got the deeper pockets And where do you and where do you put the animal? And where do you put the animal and impound it and Jim said there's a limit to what the pound keeper can charge for a day Exactly, which is not it's like two dollars. Yeah. Yeah, so no one has to set up a facility And ultimately if we did not before a judge and a judge many times out of 10 plus is going to default and give the animals back to the person So is the issue that We happen to see These horses and we somehow someone noticed that there's a horse with a wound Wilson has gotten several complaints from neighbors about the horses running free in the area at night time on the roads Not under anyone's control and She insists that they're always under her control even when she's not with them even when she's not with them Mentally um She allows them to roll them on to other people's property and they you know forage Graze and whatnot There's clear cut evidence of this While we were there talking to her she actually answered the door this time on yeah, so is that A bar or is that a house? That's a house that's the very front of the property So where do you see the wagon? If you what road is that cliff color hill? Okay the color hill from The callous end or the Worcester end? This is from the callous end If you go down here, this is where you're going to intersect with Worcester road. So she actually parks on the Oh, she's on color hill. Yeah. It's dots been getting Yeah, the first time we went there the wagon was on the property actually Parked alongside this building over over here to this side of it Then we went back. We came up to the rise and we immediately noticed this She insists that it's not in the road It's clear here. It will sit and let her know that you know You got to go 18 feet from the centerline Of the road and that's considered part of the road in regards whether it's great it or not But that's on the travel Clearly on the travel portion And people have almost hit the horses in the at night and stuff right and there's no reflectors on this or anything So it's a hazard for night-time drivers as well So she said she would move it I'm pretty sure wilson is going to do a drive by another day or so just to see if it's still there um she One of the complaints that uh wilson received was from uh dorthy nailer And uh that they had clear Evidence that her horses had been grazing on their land She initially said well, yeah, I had them out there because um, you know, they said it was okay for me And wilson said okay, you have permission to be on the On the nailers land and she said yes, and he said well Who's it from because you didn't get from the nailers because I've talked to And they're saying they gave you the permission so then she changed her story She said no, I never had them if there's evidence of a horse being up there and grazing horse poop lying around inside my horses It's It's really hard to show that there is clear cut evidence of neglect or abuse Well, except for the gaping store She Wilson doesn't think she has a vet. He knows she is choose any kind of medical be it animal or human Um at some point last year She was thrown from one of the horses broke her leg She set the leg herself And she got a little bit healed. I didn't see her walk Um, but uh it healed she had neighbors helping her in the intra. Well, she was healing um, so If she's treating this wound that she's going to be using whatever homeopathic natural Treatments she's got she's a lot. It looks like the wound is being cleaned You know the grade and whatnot so um That's not like It's not being dealt with at all. I mean the horse looks muscular enough. I mean Well, that's like Wilson said it's clear that they're being fed. It's not emaciated. Yeah, both of them look really nice Yeah, the beautiful horse. I want to point elizabeth and I went by elizabeth Always looks at the the hooves of a horse and see how well it's being cared for because she's a soldier a letter here Tracked into her. Um, they were right there by the road. You can walk over to them and they'll come over and see you because They're curious And they'll let you check with their hooves She was able to do a visual inspection from the side of the house Because they were right there just like you see here You're right there next to the road. You can see their feet at least the day we went by they were in another area where there wasn't even any Brush the brush or anything foliage around them so you can see their feet clearly But yeah, you could from my interactions with them. It seems like you could go over At um and they have water They have water as you can see here in this picture. Their bucket was tipped over. Yeah Um, there is no electricity on the property to run the well She starts the generator and gets so the electric fence Is in a solar charger the electric fence is solely on a solar charge. She won't run the generator Unless she absolutely has to because she doesn't like the sound of it The solar charge fences work pretty well. Yeah, but you know being a capacitor further on a line you're running Pardon me if it's got a big enough capacity for the line, you're right. That's right And you're maintaining it so you're not getting shorts from vegetation. Exactly. Yeah Um She's got about 11 acres. Um, she refuses to Clear out any of the trees to create a You know it just goes on and on the bottom line is this Release seems as if something bad is going to have to happen before anything changes Lawsons will wind up breaking someone's windshield. Oh, that'd be horrible And that's a little danger. That's a really I know and that's what we're worried about Lawsons have just to keep trying to impress these kind of things Maybe you know break through at some point, but from what I've seen it's going to be a really long time before that happens because You know, she immediately goes on the defense. It's everybody else's issue. She's always abide by law She's cognizant enough that she can lose her flaws and don't You know what what's required of how old the woman is she? That's hard to say. I would guess she's probably in her late 40s early 50s It has dude has Wilson talked to her dad again. He hasn't talked to his other father again But what's the woman's name? Elizabeth shed one with an ass instead of a z in elizabeth and two D's at the end Not related to the east calisthenes Wilson's feeling is is probably what's going to happen is the residents who are being impacted In the immediate area will band together and final suit civil action. Yes again in superior court I hope that's But you know when they say they found um Wilson talked to the attorney at the ag department who said here have people fill out this form So judy filled it out. I don't know if anybody else filled it out Submitted it and they get a and judy got a call from this woman at the ag department saying We don't We don't do this isn't you know, you can't use this form for for this and wilson said The attorney at ag sent him the link to the forum So you see where this is just Go around around circles um Jamie bone loose right across the street from the property And brought this point up with the cheese timer versus bailing time to the side of the road And uh, they're literally standing on the road grazing in grass at the road edge Yeah Just a One of the times when they were seeing running loose on the road, there was one that had a lead trailing behind it that Broke it for you. Yeah, I mean So just since I wanted to let you guys know what's going on in case you get calls or hear about it Or what I don't want you to hear about it. It's a great one. Yeah No, I appreciate being kept in the loop But I mean that was me at call the state police and they won't do anything Well, and but can't you just like a file a report so that they have it on record they have it on record Well, they get I mean, it's a thing. They mean they get the it is a public safety threat And that was my thing because they're in the road. Yeah, I'm trying to think of a way to save these horses from getting killed Yeah, or some or some resident having An accident and more word on some person getting killed Yeah, Wilson is diligently documenting everything that he can with any agency or be his own Every time we went to the property he was taking pictures and making notes. Yeah, you know and Very detail or into this if you know, I mean know that fact about it because he can tell if things have been moved Or if something's new anything this change he picks up on it immediately Excellent and we've got and we've gotten we've notified Jim Barlow So that we make sure that we're doing everything right on our end. Yeah, so I think we're being responsible About how we handle this is just not a lot of options. The state kind of just like oh well Figure it out. Take care of it And this was also confirmed by the one that I told you about that That's the And she said it the same exact same almost word for word is what Jeff told us It's an unfortunate situation. You really have to just get them to they really have to be willing to really question She's not gonna do that So the other she ride them. Yes, she rides them. She says one of them is fully trained And the other one she's training And um Even if it's not on a lead, it's under her control Which is a contradiction because if the horse isn't trained And it's not voice trained. So you think she she tethers them near the road such that they can graze on the limited grass It's there. That is what she's doing So that's her approach to roadside moment. Yeah. Yeah, there you go Maybe we could take no, I don't want the horses to eat while in person You get the stomachache. Well, they won't eat it out the grazer. Yeah, that's right roadside moment. There you go So thanks for the update and thank you for going with wilson. I was going to go with wilson, but I had Prior commitments. I couldn't um, can you you want just a couple of cvrpc? Meeting things you want any update you want to give us cvrpc Energy at its last meeting had a public hearing on the Energy element is the right terminology keeps shifting But there's an energy aspect to the regional plan the overarching plan is like a chapter deals with energy And there was an energy committee That developed language proposed language and you're on it, right? I Ex officio was on it Um, I actually asked to be appointed and there was no room on it and I wound up attending and they gave me the same level of participation and Access to the committee and in the committee process as someone who had been appointed. In fact, I Most not most many of the committee members that were appointed Didn't show and I showed for near everyone so but um and jan showed up for a number of them and Other members definitely cap ones showed up for a couple of the earlier ones um But in any event we came up with recommended language that language Um was presented to the full commission the full commission Discussed it and we made some changes to it. Um Minor changes and then at the last Um monthly meeting they noticed the plan amendment the energy plan amendment for Uh public hearing And no interested public showed up There was a relatively new representative on the commission from Warren who obviously very late in time raised objections to a number of the premises of the plan energy out plan and um Um But there were no changes made to those They were based on her under her misunderstandings as to why how we arrived at the language and Not again to specifics. She was wrong on it, but um the plan passed. Um, you need uh Forget what the vote needs to be but uh, no it needs to be it's a simple majority and we had more than that There was one abstention and one objection to war and rep objected There were some people that were absent and but even with the abstention and the absent those absent the Missing votes from those who were absent and the objection. We still have a majority vote So you so you were happy with how this came out. Yeah, I'm really happy and it gives us a lot of power Now does this have to be the town's to our town plan? No, so now so So until and unless the town updates its plan to incorporate The authorities that the relatively new statute passed in 2016 allows us greater say in the siting of energy projects um But we have to jump through a number of hoops And but once but we would need to um update our plan to have that say at the local level But until and unless we do that we have some overarching Say through the regional planning so it does this like a default to the regional if we don't have our own well No, the read there's Just a town plan right it's entered into the record at a public utility commission hearing on a project energy project And then there's the regional plan and then both the regional commission Can present a position and can participate at the public utility commission hearings Ask in the towns if they're interested in participating Um, one does not displace the other and one is not in lieu of the other But so we can't just like defer to that but the but the the overarching regional plan provides us Greater protection than we had before so in other words. We need to update our town plan with regard to energy And I think that's right. I think Jan's on it. She is totally on it and we have the regional planning commission staff that they they sent out a template a like a spreadsheet And they have these how they're a lot providing their staffing resources to the various towns and different Things we were really good. We were good reason and they are boy. You think that we were special They're they're working for us there We're going to help assisting the region the callous planning commission and development of our energy plan I'm guessing that's already underway. They're they have got every one of their staff is doing something to call us They are really amazing. They really are.  She really has her body together. Yeah Yeah, I think things have gotten a lot better She knows her stuff And eric warwall the guy who was handle handling the energy plan stuff He has has taken a job as the city planner for Or a city has a city planner for the city of windowsky So he's out of here Do they have somebody else hired? No, they'll they'll be advertising, you know, they have a very small staff for all the work They do every one of those people that I have dealt with has been helpful Beyond what I would have expected top notch. They're really really good. I don't know if there's can we I don't know if they have some kind of a thing where awards get given out to regional planning commission staffs or something like that But in my book, they've earned it No, we happy with them I mean, we had some issues in the beginning with Bonnie. We thought but she's coming over. She's coming a long way Yeah Yep, she's she's they um The staff are very respectful and responsive to the To the towns that they understand that they serve the towns Yeah, they don't try to impose your own perspectives. I mean, this is my I'm pretty new on the commission. So But my in my limited experience. That's what I'm that's my sense of I mean, we got Dan doing really democratic He's really great Dan's doing roads. Pam. Yeah, Pam. D. Andrew is doing that erosion stuff Watershed and I'm on that committee. Yeah, and actually I'm also On they have a projects project review committee. I was on that years ago for Woodbury It's a really important committee to be on it So any major project that comes through either that that is kind of like the actual regional and potential for regional impact Which is generally one that's we'll see act 250 hearings or permitting And and or if it's a utility project, it would go through the public utility commission rather than act 250 And and this project review committee Reviews those projects against the plan and they had a I was just appointed and they had a meeting put it Hit the wrong thing on my calendar. I missed the first week Really bummed it was last week. Um, so anyway So Kyle somebody named Kyle who has last name. I can't remember. He's from Middlesex And Is he an attorney? He's now works at the public utility commission, right? He he was at the act 46 And he talked to me like he knew me and I'm thinking I don't know you Yeah, he's been at the act 46 meetings He's he when we attended that meeting in Worcester a couple years ago. Yeah, he was at the front table He was one of the alternative committee members Right, and he's not in favor obviously about he was great. He in floor Right, um, but he came over and talked to me He's like, oh, how are you doing? I'm like, he's great Well, you were you were madham chair. You were very vocal at that meeting if you recall And uh, you're you're a Expressed positions were mirrored his so I'm sure he Remember is here from that. Yeah, he was Because he told me where he because he told me where he worked and I was like He just took this job. He's brandy. I told him to look up He's like general counsel to the commission. He's got it. I said, well, I hope it's better than it used to be Working there. Yeah, everyone loves it loves this new chair. Do they Tony rice man. Yeah. Oh, that's the limit Stephanie. Like yeah, everyone likes it So anyways, um, thank you for doing all that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we all end up doing awesome extra stuff. I like that So thank you. I used to do it for woodbury. Yeah Um, last thing is some minutes we have thanks for asking No, I got no, I wanted it. It's my job to report. I just forgot Katie what minutes do we have we have? Um, it's may 14th and june 11th And I think I sent you a couple of changes Um, and you had caught some things as well rose. Did you review the minutes? I um, I didn't just look at this may 14th. I just looked at two and 11 and they were fine. Yeah So I would make a motion and we approve the may What were they 11th 14 may 14th minutes And june 14th minutes june 11th june 11th may 14th june 11th with the changes as noted Second Right. Is there any further discussion? All those in favor, please say hi Okay, so don't forget July 9th monday come at six o'clock And I don't know whether bill kimble is joining us, but I did not invite him And so it may not it's just a local school board meeting, right? Or He shows up. He goes to all the local school board meetings. Well, that that's good Um, I didn't invite him to what meeting our meeting Well, it's a joint meeting stuff our meeting, right? Well, it's important meeting. I He's there if they they're represented from you 32 and if they invite him, that's fine, but I didn't invite him because it's not my thing to do right Be like us inviting maybe jimbarlo or maybe that's not right. No, we would invite jimbarlo. There's no there's no higher authority. No Lateral authorities. Okay Anything else to adjourn? Good. So be it Who's good man? Who's gonna second that motion that rose presented?