Welcome to Toffy TV, it is the final word, Bournemouth 3, Everton 1, Grim. As a result, Grim, the minute you knew that Everton could go into the top three with a win, we all knew he wouldn't. Ped's back after his holly, he looked refreshed, he's ready, he's enthusiastic, he's noddy, he's absolutely fumin. I'm joined by Andy as well. Ped, six wins in 41 away games, kind of set. It's shocking mate, it's absolutely shocking. Do you know what, right? It's very easy to sit here and would be easy to say this all started before Silver came in and they're trying to get a grip on it. But this, think about it right, three of our last five, six away games, Fulham, Villa and this, two nil nils against Palace and only a last day draw against Spage where it was like everyone was having a big party. It's awful and it needs to be sorted out and I don't like going back and just jumping on things that we've spoken about in the past. But this will get Silver the sack. If he can't sort this away for him out, then what is the point? Cos then you're hanging on with your fingernail, see your home form, thinking we've got to win every game and it's the pressure then put on your home games. Something I mentioned as well in my after match yesterday was we, I remember us sitting here last year and Arsenal had gone on like a 19 game on beaten run and they played like, you know, not the best teams after they lost their face too. But, you know, it doesn't matter who you play, the idea of going on a run like that to me where you've got to win a home game and then maybe win an away game and then a home game then a draw and blah blah blah. The idea of us getting anything away from home is just, when you see the way we've played in our last two away games, that ability to just go to away games and roll up your sleeves and dig out a win. I've seen much, much worse evidence being able to do that. Much worse. We are, sorry to say, soft. We are soft as shite, this evidence side, that we can't put performances away from home, that we put in away from home.  And when I see the manager sit on the touch line, Mr Grumpy Pants, then, yeah, it is the team right this time, but where's the passion in the club? Where does it come from? And I'm sorry, I don't want to go on it about the manager. I'm not going to stop it right now, but it needs to change. It needs to be sorted, ASAP. Anything to add? Yeah, I agree with nearly everything he said there, but no, soft. You look at whether they're either drawing or they go behind. You never think they're going to come back at the moment. Actually, do you know what it is? We place the level of our opponents. That's a lot of the time. You never put anyone to the sword. You talked about it before off camera, West Ham last year, we went there, we caught the traps, put them to the sword. We don't do that away from home. And the style of play, you know, when you brought Donbach and the team and you bring Schneiden, it ends up being very similar. So it feels that he creeps into that very predictable style of playing. Yeah, it's not for the look. We've played nobody. Exactly. We've played nobody and we've only got seven points. Luckily no-one else has got more than seven points. No and over we haven't played a tough game yet. We haven't. The teams we've all played a shite. Like the world game was tough, but you've seen on Saturday what they're actually made of. We've played nobody and the level of performances have just been pretty average so far. I know we're only five games into the season, but I'm starting to think about the plays we haven't got, rather than the plays we have got. The fact that we haven't got a midfielder who can literally run past the halfway line or run back towards our own box, it worries me. I just don't think we've got anywhere near. Do you know what? Even if we had the players, it's not even that. I'll go back to what I've just said. It's a mentality. It's a mentality of not being able to come out for a game and go, Who are we playing today? We're playing Bournemouth. Let's just get stuck into these for the first 20 minutes. Get a goal and keep going. Like we said, the West Ham game last season was the last time. The only time I've seen us do it in about four years, we went somewhere and just went, we're having these today. A minute one, we score off after four minutes against West Ham and we just kept going and we got the second goal. We should have won that game 6-0. 5-6-0, it wouldn't have been. At Tava Steve, we've won that game 5-6-0. I wouldn't have been shocked. And that's the only time I've seen it because we'd train up against and we'd just go, mmm, we're going to pass it, pass it, pass it. Go wide, pass it, pass it, pass it. Go wide. That's all we do. We're predictable and we're soft and as I said, these are the things that get managers to sack because if you look at the teams every week and it's just the same thing, you come predictable and then teams can work it out and beat you. I mean, if the team, the weekend, obviously wasn't helped by Anthony Gomez, Rib Injury, so he missed out. He went with Morgan Smeddlin and Fabian Delph at the centre of the thing, you know, and Dom come in, likely or wrongly up front instead of Moise Keane. I think the opening 10 minutes was okay. I think we'd had a shot in the opening 30 seconds. It was within the first five minutes. You know, we were on the front foot and we were knocking it round and we were forcing them back and they didn't really look like they had anything really on. We looked a little bit concerned about us, but it's the same old, same old with everything. A lot of our players just playing in front of them. We don't have enough shots. We don't pull people out of position. Once you get through the opening 15 minutes with us, the game settles down and that's exactly what it did. Then we feel too, like you said, it's real pity that Gabamon got the injury because I think he could have made a big difference to us just because of seeing the way he can travel with the ball. With Smeddlin and with Delph, me and Andy did the tactic show for Peyton and you see their positions and they're like holding hands in our half. Now, it's okay having one of them, but the other one then has to go and join it.  When you go into a game and you've got Smeddlin and Delph and you concede three times, that's a mean disalarm bells thing in there because you're not doing anything. For me yesterday, that was an opportunity to say, this is a game where we start on Davis, this is a game where we start on the right foot and we say, you know what, we're going to have a right goal. I listened to Soonest before the game and whatever you think about Soonest, he does say the occasional sensible thing. And one thing he said yesterday was, he said Everton and Bournemouth give away too many goals by trying to play it out of the back all the time.  And what are you saying? Over the first 10-15 minutes of this game, just go along, just play sensible, just get into the game, right? But straight from the beginning of this game, we were trying to all do those clever little passes around the back, get the ball to the keeper, get it into Delph and then Delph does that weird sort of way. I don't know, it's like a weird, he digs the ball out, but instead of just getting into the game and going straight from the off right, we've got Dom off-front, you know why? Because we think they're centre-backs of garbage and we're going to start gambling on these first 20 minutes, get into the game, maybe get a goal and then settle down and start playing a bit of football then. Now, it's meh, meh, meh, go wide all the time. Now we're back in the last season, the thing that got this manager, some time and some breathing space and some optimism was a lot of games. We did go long, we started it and Dom started playing from a higher level and that's not what we want to play all the time of course it's not, but in some games you've just got to go, you know what?  Get it up then, get it to the areas, let's start winning the ball higher up the pitch. No, it's all let's play from the back and then let's get it through meh field and then it's just slow and that's the way it's slow again to go it soft, it's slow, it's ponderous. So the players you want to have the ball, never get the ball in areas where it's free-flowing, it's fast, there's a bit of, you know, versatility but we're moving people around because by the time we've got the ball to them, they've got comfortably six players behind the ball and again, I just, I can't bear to watch another away game like this again because it's just, it's just shite and it's not evident that I want to watch and I criticised the manager last season on this. This is not evident, this is not the football I want to watch, it's not, it's not and if it's, so if you're not winning games from it then watch the point. We're not Man City and we never will be Man City, so why do we continue to play this style of football? Is that Silver's type of football now? Like before he came here, everyone known him as a counterattack man, you play front of the fork, you transition quickly up the field and as you say with Evan, it's very slow and ponderous.  It's not around the back as you say, Bomer can reset themselves, get the six men deep straight away and he can set themselves and then set the pressing game up. Whereas, you know, my belief is when Marcus Silver was at Sport and Lisbon when he was at Olympiacos, he transitioned fairly fast up the field to get man advantages and as you say, we don't pick out the players in space enough because we do allow teams to set up too easily and that's an issue. So my question is for the manager and this is what I'll probably answer more about the manager but why do we play this way?  I know he's been in some big teams in Greece or in sport and but I don't know, it just doesn't feel a natural style for him and I don't think it's a natural style for us either. I look, I agree with Perth with the Trond Davies thing. I think you look at them yesterday, they set up with Billing and they had, what's the name? Cwch. Cwch, Lewis Cwch, it was a cracking little player to be fair. They had them in the middle of the park. Now Billing, you know what Billing is. That was not Lewis Cwch's first game for nine months. I'm not being funny but you do.  We've already seen him at Tarrow Mings, we haven't even stretched them on. No, stop it. You get in nearly first five minutes and you say to someone like Tom Davies or Delth, see him over there, he's been out for nine months, go over and give him a smack, get straight into him straight away. You don't make it obvious but you make sure he knows and you know what, for the rest of the game, he starts thinking, I might not like this but you don't, you don't let players ease into games.  I just think the way the midfield was set up, there was just too many. Like I said we were too deep. When you look at Everton and we'll put it on the screen now. The positions where they are, you have a look at Dominic Halvert-Lewin for whatever reason. He's so deep, he should be high up when we look at Calum Wilson. He's between our two centre backs so the stretch in the space isn't it? We don't, we're bunched up so our midfield is sit on top of our two centre backs. Gilfy goes and sits on top of the striker so he takes up that space. Then you have that gap in the middle and then we just pass it and pass it and pass it and pass it. He's round and circle, he's round every time. And they bometh yesterday. Essentially I had 10 men behind the ball when we had the ball. Solanki dropped back in, King dropped back in, Wilson dropped in and he just put bodies. So we just went ddut ddut ddut ddut ddut. And there's not never changes. You have a look at our position where we go down the side. Someone has got eight pass points this season. Someone will have an absolute, they were so open at the back. They were so open at the back. The only time Don stretched them once and it was one in the keeper, luckily for them he got his arm to it. That would have made it 2-1. And I think there was maybe one other time that he stretched them. You're right, we don't stretch teams, we don't ask questions. It's so predictable, it's just we run to the centre of the park and then suddenly go wide and it's like why are you going wide? There's a big gap going through the middle there. Get some intelligent movement off one of the strikers and suddenly it all opens up and we don't. To be quick, one-on-ones. Don got put him behind and he couldn't lift the ball over the keeper. Our goal was probably with Charleston because that was the only time he was put one-on-one with their fullback running into space and he put a brilliant ball into the box. But that's why they select the Dominic Alford and I know a lot of people before the game were upset that he was playing over Moise Keen, but the fact that he did have the height advantage over their centre backs, they were increased. But we didn't use it down. What's the point? You're just passing it round the back and therefore you're not asking any questions. You're basically saying well up there is going to be one star to play and back here is going to be another star to play. But why are you passing it round, round the back four, when really, all you should be doing is just putting it forward? It's silver in his own head and the fact that that's I thought why Schneiderlin was playing because obviously he wanted to close the back door. But then you'd see to Delph, well you get up close to the striker, you cover that gap because he did it well against Wolves. We talked about how close he got to the striker, but he never... But that's the problem though, isn't it, is that Delph is a lovely footballer, but he's not a footballer that's going to base into the box. It's in the same area, Schneiderlin is. And Gomez is pretty similar, but at least when those two together there's a little bit of versatility. But Gomez is a good footballer. No, no, that's what I'm saying. And this comes back to something we were talking about last year, when how many games did we sit and watch ever and go? Why aren't we taking enough care of the ball? Why aren't we getting it, holding it for a couple of seconds and then moving it? And there was loads of times yesterday where we just kept on giving the ball away cheaply. Or kicking it out. Or kicking it back to there. Mae Delph was guilty of that. Keen was guilty of that. When it was like, no, can't that, just it doesn't need to be this amazing kind of football. We don't even play at full speed anyway, so you're not, even if the ball was precise, you're not going to rip them open. So take a couple of seconds on it. It just battles me now how we can have two different completely ways of... It's not even ways of playing, because it's a very similar way. Both home and away are both similar stars of playing. But it's just that one's played at a different tempo to the other. Because the fans are there and have to demand it. And we play higher up the pitch. When we're at Godderson in general, we have three in the final third. Away from home, we don't. We do the same thing we did to Romley Le Carr. So what's that then? That's mental. It might have worked yesterday on to Gomez's play, because even Brad's that control on the ball doesn't he? Now without that, should you not change your style of play? When he's not ready, just then go, actually lads, we'll tweak this, we'll go with Tom Long. It will be, say, get close to him, wake off him and then with Charleston, you go in beyond. That's what you should be doing. But again, as you say, Dom's dropping dead deep. Then you've got Guilfee next to him. And then the midfield and the frontman are basically 25 yards away from each other. And that's easy to mark. And then they've got Callum Wilson sitting on Michael Keane, because all they want is a long ball on to the channel. And they want to go one-on-one with Keane, I think, as we were saying on the tactics show, they've worked out a way to exploit evidence weaknesses. And I think against the four-man defence, like I said to you last week, three-man. We'll probably do well against Sheffey tonight this weekend, because they play three at the back. We'll get behind the full-back skill field, be able to cross the ball, wherever you are. Brains four, a low block, medium block, we can't break teams down. I think for me, we started off alright actually, we got on the ball, we were knocking it. I mean, they do you much, but you know, put the game, just the game. Just petered out, didn't it? We don't go to take anyone out. We're a reactionary team. The managers are reactionary managers.  Every single week, they sub the abysmal. We'll come on to the show. We went, they got a corner, which was a needless corner. Delf gave a free kick away, which was a needless free kick. They got a corner which we should have done better with. And from the corner.  Callum Wilson is offside in the same phase of play and is allowed to score. It's bizarre how it can be allowed. It's absolutely bizarre. He's in the middle of the goal offside. Now okay, they talked about a handball and whether it was or I don't think it was. Maybe they were checking that handball and forgot to check it for offside. It was mad, but regardless of it, they go on the love. It's given. But I told this goal, that goal was symptomatic of how we played. The goal itself, I know loads of people were talking about this zone on Markham. Give me a favour, we've conceded one goal from the zone on Markham in about nine months. The last time I remember conceding a goal from the zone on Markham was the Man City game. I might be wrong, but that's the last one that springs to mind. So what it comes down to, and this is what we talked about last year, it comes down to people doing their jobs. Look at the last game we played, you had me in a bang every time it was in the air. Where it's yesterday, people just, you could tell he'd been on international duty and he'd all been away. Michael Keane's head was clearly, and this is the big problem with Michael Keane, problem I've had on day one. He's had, he's clearly still on. What happened in the England game? He's all over the place. Mean is all over the place because he's been bleeding America. I've been on private jets and didn't want to kick a witch out or something when he played against them. Too many players yesterday were just not on it and this goal was a perfect example where it's normally, when we're playing well or when we're alone, we deal with that dead easily. We just get it away. It doesn't get to that point. People are on mark. Don's not at the back post looking around when there's a man behind them. We do our jobs and yesterday nobody was doing their jobs. So whether it was offside or not, I think it was the same phase of play. Recently. But it's soft and at the end of this game all three goals they've scored are soft. They're all avoidable and that's the frustration. We go behind and you're looking at it thinking, I did, I don't know about you two, but we went behind 20 odd minutes and I was thinking we won't win this game now because there's no belief that we can come from behind to win it. And so for the next 15 minutes, 20 minutes, the game just played out.  It was just a nothing of us. Sometimes you think watching it, you think we'll never score here. No matter how many chances you create, they just don't seem to be good enough chances. And sometimes when I watch it, it feels very familiar all the time. The same patterns of play, the same type of attacks, the same movement from the same type of players. And you watch it and go, there's no impetus for that. But there's no one like that and just ramming into the front post trying to go on to a ball. There's no energy, there's nothing. You know when you watch really good sides play and they continue to play a style because they believe in it and they know it'll probably get them. And if it doesn't get them at the win or whatever, the top side, it's normally because of outside influences or whatever. I've said this for over a year, we have this superiority complex that we're better than other teams and we're not. We have this idea that the way we play is better than others and we're not. Don't get worried, it'll get us a goal in the end. It's bollocks. We're not a very good team. We have good individuals that get us out of trouble now and again, but we're not a good team. The way we play isn't good. It isn't because it's so predictable. We sat here after the Villa game when it was the same thing again. We started very well and then they scored and then once they scored, the game just petered out. We've got to get back into this game as soon as possible. It was just went flat and it was like, a goal will come, a goal will come. That's what the players looked like, a goal will come, never come. On one hand, is that good that they've got this belief that they keep doing what they're doing? No, because where does the belief come from? No, because I think the problem with everything is, and this has been since Martinez, is when teams think that we're the better team, we can never break them down. We're not good enough to break teams down. It actually would be poove when teams, that's why we played well against your man United, because they thought we'll beat everything today. The bit of space opened up and then we exploited that. When we have to break a team down, I know we're the better team. We just haven't got it now. We haven't got quality in the team, but as we've discussed before... We've got no bollocks. Everyone's seen the video yesterday of Delth.  It's like we're travelling in it. No, we don't have any players that you look at and think, this player is going to drag us through this game. He's going to get us out of trouble. You know, there's no surprise why he wants to decorate. It's because he's a midfielder who can take the ball. I've seen him in the last minute of their game yesterday, he nearly won the game for Wofford. We haven't got a player in our squad who will drag you through a game of football. Yeah, Richard Ellison has his moments, of course he does. But there's nobody else. There's nobody that you go... When it comes to the crunch, that one player will do the job for us. We've got good players, but nobody's got an attitude where they're willing to roll up their sleeves. And this is the biggest problem of our Everton Football Club. No one's got that actual eye on the prize. There's nobody who's got that mentality. And we've all almost accepted that. And that's the biggest problem. It's like the Wayfans every game, they're there and they'll always be there.   I really am. I think we got control of the game again in the last five minutes of the first half. We started prompting and probing. We get the goal to go goal, go ball down the line. Rytialison does well get away. Lovely ball in and Dominic Alvelywm does really well. Good idea. Back where it comes from. So probably old school either, when he fought to get up there. I didn't think it was going to get this far. I thought he was all over the mic. I think he jumped first. That's why he didn't use him to climb. We did the bar with Rytialison earlier on with a great strike. We had Dom's one when he should have done better with the key. Rytialison did light and then couldn't get there. Gilfee's cross comes short as well. You know everything with the more progressive side. You go in at halftime. I wasn't satisfied at halftime. I thought it was terrible. If I was the manager at that point, I'd have made the change. Delf had been booked. Got himself booked stupidly because he had a cobop. I don't know, right?  But be clever. Easy lad, 29 is one leagues. But that's him. That's part of his character isn't it? We know that's part of his character. We've seen him at Man City. He gets frustrated and he starts kicking out. But at that time, these are the decisions the manager's paid to make. He doesn't make them. We weren't playing well just because we were backing the game. Doesn't mean everything's all right. Be ruthless and safe. There is a game to be won here. You've done nothing in the game. Bring a Tom on and we've got that force in the issue. I'll tell you why I didn't bring Tom on because he doesn't trust them. This is a problem with Premier League managers in total with young players. They don't trust them in them situations which they're never going to be able to be trusted unless you give them the chance. Not going to create the trust that way. But they're going, I'll leave the experience Frenchman on. That's what it's like.  It's the same thing when younger players should get a game. It is, yeah. Every week when I do the player ratings, I'm not having a go. But it's very hard because you go, what did he do in the game? What did he do? Look at his numbers. His numbers are 88% passion. He had the ball 52 times. No risk. We had on the tactics show, I put his dashboard on. Everything's a side, little side. No formal passion. It's just there. This is the ultimate problem, is the way we play.  And he goes to the side, you've got to make your mind up and you alluded to it before and it's a Sigarton situation. You've got to make a decision and say, Sigarton, right, you've got to play 10 yards further back now. In a Flath 3. If you want to play for this every team, you've got to adapt to that position because the team at the moment playing this four, two, one, two, one thing. It doesn't work. It's too predictable. It takes up space. It takes up space of other players. Snireland would be better in a Flath 3. Sigarton in there to be the ball player and we start moving the ball and we say to oppositions, the ball box is never getting forward because with Charleston just living in that half base. It's pin them back, yeah. And nobody's going to do the same thing and all we're going to do, the best team in the league, that's how they play. I'm not some other one in blue, I'm some other ones. That's how they play. They say to you, we're just going to win this ball in midfield and go back and go back and you're not going to be able to live with us. But we play this system and we're going to go in, but what I'm saying is, he's living in an area of the park that we just don't utilise. Yesterday, arrived time, could he not have, well he could have, he could have took off, Snireland. Set a delf, do his job, right? Drag the gilf i bach. But Bernard, and put a wobi centre. You could have 4-1, 4-1. He comes in, but later on in the box where a wobi, and he is good at wobi, but he wants to get centre. I don't think that's the problem though. I think the problem is, is that no matter what the make-up of those two midfielders is at the moment, right, whether it be Gomez, delf or Snireland as your three, they ain't going anyway. They ain't not box the box midfielders. Well Gomez used to be in Valencia though, this is the problem, everyone was wondering about signing him and what the ability is like as a pitch. Well maybe if he played in a carry, he would. Well you'd hope so, but now, it's like this quarterback where he's been sped around. So at some point, you've got to set, the manager's got to make your decision and just say, this isn't working away from home, right? At home, continue what you're doing. If you want, no more. But from away from home, we're going to start playing a flat three.  But the other thing that says to them is, your fullbacks can't come forward. Your fullbacks cannot come forward because the Charleston is going to be there and Bernard's going to be there and we're going to have a mobile striker. And that's got to be the change, I think, because we don't, since Garn has gone, midfield looks just looks ropy. I said last time he said he couldn't. He could play Delft, Sigarton and Gomez in there. He could play Delft, Sigarton and so on. For too long, I've centre forward. Whether it be Romelu Llywodraeth Carchw, Wayne Rooney, Dominic Alford-Lewan, Jankto Ocean, Moise Keane, Uman Yash. All, ended up being 30 yards away from everyone. Now when I watch City and I watch, I mean I watch City Saturday night they look like everything, they were passionate Di oedol o'r lot o'r ddeu. Dy'r so progresif. Dwi'n ffast. Di haf. But di haf three players who essentially don't really come back much. No, they don't. Di don't come back. So when they break, when they break, they're through. And this is when Spears are at their very best. It's what Tottenham do. They have three. High. So all of a sudden, they're swarming on you. Terrified.  Sorry.  But that's where your son, when he plays, or when Salah plays for Liverpool. I'm not saying for Charleston. I mean, for Charleston, could that agree he's got a son, and he's not got a salu, obviously. But if you put him in an area where you know he's going to hit, yeah, you leave him there, then don't you? You leave him there. You don't say to him come back. I mean, maybe we need it. Well, there's no maybe we do need the better right back. That's the next thing we need. But if you say to those two players, on either side, just live on the corners of the box. Don't worry about anything else. And this is all. And again, I'm not having a go with Gilffy Sigarton, because he's in such a luxurious position. He had the commentator saying yesterday, he's the only player in the team who can have a free role. Why? What's the point of that? What is he offering? What is he offering in that free role? He's offering very, very little. So you're not getting the best out of him. I hope maybe you do. But you know, once yesterday, he put a great, well, he put a ball in and the keeper had to knock it over. So you're not getting the best of Gilffy Sigarton in that role. So at some point you've got to go, this needs to change, because either I get the best out of Gilffy Sigarton or the best out of a charlison. I'd rather get the best out of a charlison. I think he's much more, he's got much more of an impact on the game. He'll score goals, he'll commit players, he'll get assists. Because he's just a better player in terms of what the Premier League offers. And Gilffy Sigarton, you could just say, do me a favour, play 10 yards for you at the back. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. I'd say that Gilffy Sigarton, I've had many conversations about it, yet the team is essentially, in a way it is built around Britain or as well, because you don't play down a car for learning to get the best out of Gilffy Sigarton. You need to stretch the place again in space. That's another problem, that's not Gilffy's fault. But the manager's trying to... He's like... I just think he's looking at all from a wrong position. If you want to play 4-3-3, play 4-3-3, that is favourite style. It doesn't matter who the player is. He plays there for Iceland. If he can't do it in the Premier League, he's on the bench. That's the end of the story. But then you've got a Wobie, you've got Gomez and Delph, you've got Schneider. You've got options. Play the system you want to play and just do it because you think you're the most comfortable and you think that's the best thing you can be. Don't play a system because your best player, whether he is or he isn't, is only favourite in that position. I don't understand that he can't... You just feel he can drop them because of the goals. But then you can't try something different. Even if it's Gilffy, just try something different. I honestly think, well, we could play in a 3. You can do that. You can do that. You've got an outcome on the side. You can play in an 8. I think Tom Davis could play in a 3. You've definitely seen it. He's got more insurance. Lot more insurance. We have to have players who can travel with the ball. You've got to commit teams.  I mean, look at the stats from yesterday. 60% possession, Everton. 14 attempts at 13, 6 on target, 76% ball success with passing. 10 dribbles, 21 tackles, 506 passes, 23 crosses. Those stats alone should tell you Everton won the game. When we've done the proper breakdown, the expected thing and how the game went, Everton should have, Everton, DJ'd more than Bournemouth. But the reality is, they put the ball in an every time. And it's seen in the villa game and it comes down to, it comes down to not being intimately, you know, being on the team. Well, okay, we get through the first 15 minutes of second half. I thought we were on the front foot. We were? Best of you. I was watching it on NBC, so the comment I got was, I can't be in this clip. And I think it was Andy Tarns and I was like, there's only one team going to win this now. They're in total control. And at that point, I'm thinking, make the slopes now. On the front foot, on the front foot. Killies off. Domet had gone out of the game. Whatever it is, he wasn't in the game. I thought, get Moise Keane on these. There's gaps, big gaps in the middle of them. They're right back. They're right back by the way. It was an absolute disaster. He's the right wing. A couple of times, he'd let us, he'd let with Charleston, stretch them and go behind them. And then the one in the second half, where he played the ball short, Domet stretched them. And then he nearly went round the cocky bit. So they, and again, there's no like, right, let's get Bernard on him. Let's start training that kid inside and out. That's one, one. And again, this is where life problems with the manager. He did it against Wolves.  These are there for the take and he doesn't. Luckily enough, he made the subs after him. We won the game. Fair enough. One, one yesterday. That's where you want a manager to go. This isn't good enough. This is not good enough. Being away from a way to be one-one with half an hour to go. And they're hanging on a bit. They're like, their energy levels are gone. Think, go and finish these off. Go and win the game. Put players on that and we'll win the game. But to be fair to Rial, he put Ryan Fraser on who's the danger man.  And that's where I think a lot of people have problems with the manager. And when we have us all like this, I think what happened at the end of the last season was a plaster. People were over the cracks. I said that. Now, listen, fine. He deserves to see out the season. And I'm not saying he deserves to sack now. But all this does is open up those cracks again with fans who do not have faith in this manager. And when you see instances like that and half an hour to go, you've got quality on your bench as well. Real quality in Bernard. And centre forward that you've paid a lot of money for and you've got big hopes for. And you're thinking, right, well, half an hour to go, Dom's done his job, he scored one.  Or just give them something else to think about. Stretch the legs of the first pair of legs. For me, we had to throw in a nice frustrate to me about what we could be in yesterday. We had to throw in 15 yards and slide there half. Right? And we're on the offensive there, hacking it anyway. And he throws the ball back to me, no? You didn't see it full-time, Sherb. And we play it to the other side and then we lose possession. And they break and Rytialysen goes running past our right back and smashes free. Now, we should have smashed them on the halfway line. Yeah, of course. And he waits till he gets to the edge of the box, smashes him. Then we don't have anyone screening the ball. And Ryan Freyser whacks it and Delth goes at it with his wrong foot instead of going at it with his other foot.  Terrible goal. Can anyone understand that? Surely, right? Actually, when I'm thinking about this now, I've got to put some blame on Jordan Pickford. Right? Because if you've got a wall, I was never a professional footballer and I did play in goal a few times, right? I was sort of always told by people that your wall should always, your player should always be one over. That makes sense. If you've got a wall direct, well, to stop the player killing the ball around the wall, your last man should go past your post. Yeah, it should, do you? So it's got a cailer. If you've got a cailer past a man, it's still not even going to come off, right? No, it won't. So surely our wall should have been one man further over that way? Because if it's gone through Delth, then it's gone straight at the goal. It was just too bad, though. But this is all routines that I've worked on, throw-ins I've worked on now. Soaked free kicks, defensive, offensive. And this is the problem as well. It's mixed messages, right? You've got to just go back to that team thing. So we throw this back. Why are we playing Dominic Carver-Lewin? He's in the team to win headers. You throw it to Dominic Carver-Lewin's head. Like, this is like a simple thing. I don't know if it's the manager or if it's the players.  I'm going to say thick errors. Like kicking people when we shouldn't do. Silly fouls. Kicking the ball out. A lot of smarty. Mining around the ball out when he should have kicked it out. We had a corner in the first half yesterday where the ball went out of the box to Guilfee Sigarton. We turned around to Sheamus Coleman and he kicked it back to Pickford. Once we added him under pressure. And it's like... Because they've got no faith in each other's ability. What do we mean as a football team? It's just... It's like these players have no confidence in each other. Or it's like one link in the chain. Let everything else down. And that's what it feels like at times. Sometimes I can't blame the manager because sometimes I think to myself I just watched these players and you pull your hair out.  That goal. The third goal is the most stupidest goal you've ever seen in your life. Right. Both centre-offs are absolutely living in Cloud Cuckalom for this goal by the way. It's a flowing... Where meaning is five yards in front of the man he's supposed to be marking, right? Which again, if you're an amateur footballer, right? Would never happen. Would never happen if you're an amateur footballer. Because you're always supposed to be goal-side. Michael Keane is next to the man he's marking. And instead of interpreting the situation and going, I'm keeping everyone onside here. But he can't because it's a throw-in. So if the ball does get thrown. No, what happens is it comes in. Meaning it goes and wins it and heads it. But what he should do then is not to drop off. But if he doesn't, Michael Keane's marking, Josh King, who's on the wing. So essentially it's Seamus Coleman's man. But he should look and go. There's a big gap here. I need to drop three yards. And he doesn't, he stays. And then when that ball, the recoil just knocks it straight ball. It happens in the fair start. The same thing. It was the same side. Michael knocked it in. And he couldn't get there. Is this something you get when you're a child? A child is, if you're the centre back and you go right at my job to go and win this ball. You centre me fair there. Goes and sits where you are. And says, I'm going to be there. Oh, you're full back. I'll sweep.  And then through the prism of being in the Premier League. And this is how we do things. We just get tossed aside. That's more than aside. The drop between the centre yards. That is his role. It's basic football though. And it's like, and then you're like... Do you think the keeper should have done more? He's gone nowhere to go, hasn't he? He's had to come off stage. He didn't do anything here. He'd come and then stop down. I don't know what he did. And he just left a big gap over there. And it was like, well, you're going to chip me. Cos I've come so far off my line. I'm not saying he would have made much difference. But I think, when he'd come, I think he should have carried on coming. He should have closed there a bit more. I'm trying to put him off. It's psychological though, isn't it? It's psychological though, isn't it?  You shouldn't have gone from being... You shouldn't have gone from being... What do we have got there? No. You shouldn't have gone from being the team that's opposed to should have gone on and won the game. To being 3-1 down. She's soft-headed as well. But it's not just that though. You can trace it back to our time with the manager not having the ball. But even after an hour, it was 1-1, we were in control. Right, so we could trace it off. You could trace it off though. For the first 15 minutes, it was all us and it was. But then you'd say, well, why are you thinking you're making it? Then that's safe. Then that's safe. I don't know. Again, this is what I come back to. Don't shoot the score. This is what I come back to. This is what I deal with. What is actually controlling a game?  Let you have the ball. But you look at the stats there. Every game is the same, 60% roughly, 500 passers. But we don't do anything with it. Teams want us to be like that. A lot of the stats of the Aston Villa game are exactly the same. We had Villa, we dominated, we had everything, it didn't matter. But then the subs come on, right? Why didn't he make the sub a 2-1 though? No one went 2-1. Why didn't he go, because he was fuming? Because it was a bad goal. But even the subs are not good though. They're not good subs. Well, he made the two that everyone would have made, wouldn't he? You'd have put Moise Keen on and you'd have up and down. Right. But then you go with 2-1 down, it's going in the game.   You should have gone 1-2. No, no, that's fine. Let's stay in the same formation and keep everyone in the same positions. Right. That makes 3-1. Moise used to make those mad subs that everyone used to go mad about, like taking... It's like a reference on the back. No, but nobody used to be like, remember when he brought, when we were getting beat up Bolton and he brought height and grot. And it was basically to get Filania up front so he could change the game. Yeah, yeah. This manager doesn't make changes like that. What he did yesterday, but what he did yesterday, he just basically put a load of players on the pitch, you would play up front. And all that meant to them was, but we just have to sit back and defend. It was the same formation except we were inside. That's insane. All of this is just bringing more players in the mix. But it's not changing anything. It's not changing anything. Well, ironically though, we had more chances.  This is the same as the Villa game. I'm not saying he's right, because he quite clearly wasn't. He should have made the change at that time. Davis should have been on. You're right at 3-1. Why leave Delphine Sniadlin on? Take one of them off. Both of them are born a book in there. So take Sniadlin off because he offers less than what Delphine does. People can say what they want, whether they like Tom Davis or not. But I just think this is pathetic that the kid is not even getting a chance and the likes of World Cups is coming on. It's like a courtesy sub. What is the point? For me at that time, I had a bro Tom Davis on and said, go and sit in there with Delphine. Passed down at home. Right?  And you know what Tom will do more than anyone else? He'll try and get into the box. He'll run into the box. He gets clever files. And he gives us, whether people like him or not, at the moment, I just think this is an issue. The manager's got with the kid and I don't know where it's come from. Trace day of the season, it should have been him coming on the pitch. Knock a bammon. It should have been him coming on against Crystal Palace. And I don't know where this has come from. It's whisked face though, isn't it? That's what it is. Manager's because they think that the five bats went loose and sneak away from a sack. The all risk of this. Everyone outside the top six never take risks. Tom goes through the 21s. Palin has a brilliant experience. He's brilliant. Hold me feel that. Get asked the question on Friday. Would you never play him holding me feel that? No. No. So what happens if you've got no players, right?  Well, it worries me the fact that he has to say yes to say Michael Keane. Have you taken to pass it off on the back? I'm not going to get on the manager's back. The biggest issue. I will get on the manager's back. I will get on the manager's back. No, I will get on the manager's back. Because I'm sick and tired of watching these away performances where we turn up and we just lie down at the first instance of a problem. I am sick to death of these. It started before the manager. But guess what? The manager's job is to change things. Now we can do everything he wants on the training pit. He might be amazing. He might be the most chattyest manager in the world, right? But when it comes to a match day, when I get to see him, he's so he. He gives nothing to the fans and his substitutions are horrendous. So therefore he needs to change because he will get the sack. He will. Because know what? His job is not that hard. He gets given the players and then he has to do something with them. It's game manager. One of my point was going to be is that it's game manager. He is not a very good game manager. As you say, it's always reactionary. What else has he got there? Exactly. What else has he got to do? It's all preparation stuff. He does prep the team. As again, I wouldn't have done that team. I wouldn't have select that team. But I understood from a tactical perspective why, but as you said at halftime, you think one-one, right? We can go win this game because they're on the back foot and then it's a 60-minute team again. At that point then, a manager who's thinking right, I'm going to take this. We're going to win this game. But then I think he's scared. I don't know if there's a scare or a risk of this element to me. And why you wouldn't go 4-4-2 or 4-1-4-1 when you 3-1 down, trying to get more attackers on the pitch? No, it's the same formation. But at last time, shouldn't he be saying to the team, you've got 10 minutes here. You've got 10 minutes. I want to see. I want to see the levels go up 10% in the face. And if they're not, I'm making subs. Regardless of what the score is, I am making subs. And he didn't. He didn't make subs until we left 3-1 down. That's a disgrace as far as I'm concerned. That is a disgrace. Your subs come in these games. If you're a manager, which he is, and he seems to be, that tries to win every game, it seems to be, that's the theory, right? That you need to try and win it at 1-1 when it's even. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And he didn't. Now, I've backed him and I've backed him all the way through. That's fair enough. But at 2-1, he's got, if he's not, if he's shitting himself, pardon my friends, at 1-1, then the minute that free kick goes in and he's shaking his head and fuming, then he should have gone right.   This is still here because these aren't very good. There's half an hour left and we can score two or three. They're not your mates, right? They're not your mates. They're your employees. Right? If you send them out and you drag them off, you're quick enough to get Bernard out of the team at the moment of Obie King. So make those... Should he have been the one to come out? Let's be honest. No, let's be honest. I'm not criticising that decision. I am in a way because I think that sends a bad message. Exactly. Some players can get away with anything they want in this cup. Some players can get away with anything they want in this team and some players, like Bernard, who have seen nothing but consistency from the last, you know, from the end of the season to the beginning of the season, whether you think there's better players on their own. Some players get away with Mayday and some players at the first sign are out the door. Tom Davis, Bernard, whoever, there's other players. To me, it's not acceptable. It's not acceptable. Why did they donch that? Because the height advantage. Because the height advantage, which we never used? Because we never... It's a tactical... No, it's nonsense. No, it is. I understand that the Wolves game, we probably created more... We didn't play with great skins Wolves don't be wrong, but you think there's a bit of consistency. They showed that before the game, didn't they? They showed that, the amount of touches that he'd had. King. King had more touches inside the box in the Wolves game than then Dom had had in all the games. Now listen, if you want to bring Dom into the side, right? For his aerial ability, that's fine. Play that way. Go long. Stop asking about it at the back and just say to Michael King, right, again, this is where my manager comes in and goes. You don't mention it, but you go, you know what's happened in the first minute of the last game we played for England, where all the scrutiny is on him and that's all the man in the build-up was Michael King's dodgy, but he hasn't mean dodgy. He hasn't mean dodgy for six months for Evan, if that, he has moments, but he's being alright. But you get rid of that by going, over the first 20 minutes, just say don't. Go long. You say don't. You really mean it. People think these are factors or not. You really mean it's been away in America for such a jet lag, whatever. I don't know. For the first 20 minutes, just say don't. Just play off don't. Even Delf though. Delf's got a loving diagonal on him. Why isn't he just hitting the channel? I mean don't stretch them. Then you've got the players coming in at the end. That seems to just get thrown out the window because it's the Premier League. It's not. These are how football matches get won. I can't say, I can't stress that. I don't watch the games and stuff, but I see some of their moves. You do. You love them. Some of their moves. Some of their moves. 80, 70 yard hoops up though. Or long ball. Because the day, because the day. This is the problem. Right. This is the problem. When people are taking the piss because Jaeg am on to bringing a bleeding throwing coach and haven't got to how stupid's that. And he's going, how stupid's that?  You have a throw it on that side that led to the ball going over there and you can see that a goal isn't happening here because you know why we do that all our players not to do stupid things how when we need to put our foot through it or not ask about we don't ask about. It's marginal gains isn't it? That's what that's what we got. We had their final date second third so up and basically born with 55% of the time went down one side against Keen and Com because they obviously understand that that's where the evidence weakest in defences that's marginal gains. Everton you've got down to in the height advantage you don't play long balls that doesn't really matter. You don't try and step behind. Yeah it doesn't matter here. We just I'm honestly I'm not go. I think there's a combination. We've had a couple of defeats so the manager's on rocking ground. You've got to point out the issues that have not gone away. You need to make tweaks and I said at the end of last season the big issue was that as you said papered over the cracks then games we were allowed to play a safe way against the bigger sides man United Chelsea Arsenal and they covered up a lot of the cracks when we played for them we sort of seen again palace again at the end of the season didn't really work did it and then into the season smaller teams again they put them down can't beat them well. I said this all summer and people keep on saying it can we get to the top six can we get top six can we get top six Chelsea you're going to drop off Arsenal you're going to drop off Man United you're going to drop off need to get 65 points to get to the top six the only way you're going to get 65 points is by beating Villa away by beating Bournemouth away by beating Crystal Palace away that's the only way you're going to do it you'd have to win every single home game and win at least three or four to get 65 so any idea of getting to the top six is we're destroying that forget about what everyone else does the opportunities there because they're not as good if we can't win these games of football if we can't even see where the opportunities are to win games I think and I always go we spoke about this loads last season it's a default setting it's about winning games without actually having to do anything creative it's about saying no today all we're going to do is go along to Don and play off the drop all the time which Alison's going to get the ball every time and now we won games at the end of the season because we kept on doing the long throw that's a default where's that going that's completely gone actually that's gone out the window or why are we are we too good for that now are we too good for doing the basic things that win you games of football that get you through games of football and that's I'm going to go back to the argument of like trying to be too clever for your own good trying to think that you're better than what you are I think there's I honestly think there's an arrogance of a deservant team and the fans as well they think they're better than what they are the fans thinking as well and yeah we do we do as fans we do think we're better because we spend so much playing money that we deserve to be better but it's doing the jobs it's about players winning their own games of battles I think potentially we're better than most teams we can be certainly everyone outside the top on paper we might be we've got more points than we've got as a team and as a combination what I'm saying is actually doing it is a different thing and until you can do the hard work the rest of it's nonsense we saw in the car earlier about you talking about mentality like Chelsea and Arsenal their default setting because they've been winners for so long they'll win games that they shouldn't really win because a man United especially they still win games even though their team on paper isn't great because that's their club mentality they've always been winners and also it's like alright we'll leave from home we'll go to on down we're going to lose this now there's no way there's no way out to on down we're definitely going to win this if they go to on down they'll win 3-2 or draw in the last minute there's no doubt about it we don't believe that we never ask but it's not just a belief because it's right there at the bottom 6 away wins in 41 games but that's not just one manager that runs through like so many things that we saw they've run through the club because there's just no I don't know how do you change it you can't ask fans not to go to away games you can't I don't know what you do but someone at the club has got to step up and just say this is not acceptable this is not and it's not that's not being that's not being you know I don't know it's we're not just going it's five games in a season we're going to we're going to get rid of everything but someone has to stand up and say this is not good enough I expect the man at the Mishiri shouldn't be sitting there going this is fine he's put a lot of money into this club and at some point he's going to go I'm not putting any more money into this club I'm just going to get the stadium built but the team whatever what can I do I keep on throwing good money after bad whether it be managers whether it be players I agree totally actually but my other side silver right now people are saying he's either right man it is a good question obviously I've mentioned me down to the past of where he can get us to I think he can get us to a certain point maybe beyond that maybe not but do we do we cut this project show because it's not working out and then you're bringing out say you're bringing our test and for example he's going to want different types of players you don't have to start again and it's but now we're doing that why brands is there it is but then Satan managers once Satan so you have to find someone similar to silver then I'm not saying there isn't our test similar to silver no because it's a different style of football I don't think that's an issue though I don't think style of football is an issue because you need style of play but look at Pep when he first went to Manchester he didn't wear because he didn't have his place I honestly don't think we've got the players to suit this system no we haven't I think our players suit a different system probably they do and they might suit one or two players but it doesn't suit them all put it this way our next two away games are Sheffield, Wednesday and the League Cup and I think we go to Birmingham which is the hardest game for us that's where you're going to have to Bailey's the kind of place where you're going to have to roll your sleeves up obviously last season we ran off on the start and we started well as well and it's like that's the worst thing that's the worst thing I feel against Bayonet I've said that I look even beyond the Man City game we probably test Man City the way we play this it's that old man but then I look at the Bayonet game and think can we break them down and I worry we can't unless we change unless we tweak unless market service says right that's a 4-2-3-1 the stale evidence system go on wide crossing it it's time to change I've got no problem with crossing it if you wake it out there but not every single time do you know what this comes we've scored three of our last our last three goals in the Premier League have come from crosses so it obviously wakes but it's that idea like we spoke about load times like that Barcelona documentary where Pep was seeing something happening on the pitch the long ball to his last hand and saying well it's been successful it'll only be successful sometimes and that's what it feels like with the crosses it's like a lot of things have to go right to score from a cross cross has to get past the first man for the start we have to be more inventive with Charleston yesterday first half picks the ball whacks one in the keeper thinks it's gone over the bar it comes down on the bar and you think well there's an opportunity there second half he makes a lovely run gets to the edge of the box and it all opens up for him and you think just have a shot you've got one of the best long weight range shooters in the Premier League he couldn't skip a shot yesterday like that he doesn't get into that much well he's not creating space for himself but that's bad but does these players the question you could ask yourself is does the team fit the system the players fit the system that's no real let's be honest some players might do but it's time to look at that 4-3-3 that 4-2-2 4-4-4-4-4-4-2 maybe three at the back I wouldn't play three at the back but it's an option something different to try and get the best out of ten of the eleven players instead of one or two of the eleven and that's what that's what he needs to do or as pet says you're going to be looking at Christmas and we're going to go on with ten to eleven then is she going to accept another season of being ten to eleven? you'll be gone then if you get in the middle of Christmas you'll be done you have to be three or four points off the top six at most basically by Christmas I mean the plan's got to be to hang on to the coattails of the top six into the second half of the season will they be the top six? but that's not it doesn't really matter you've got to be looking and going ever need to be in and around the top six so you're going into the second half of the season and then you play it in half a season then you stay within you stay within think about it it's early on the season it's you know it can change I've got a lot of season of course it can change very very quickly no one's denying that that's not what worries me it's the mentality that's what worries me it's not having the ability to roll up your sleeves when it gets tough and nothing I've seen from Michael Silver's regime so far indicates to me that when things are tough we can sort ourselves out because when things were tough after the Mayside Diary by last season we just felt a bit you know over the Christmas period yes we'd be barely 5-1 and then two days later we go to a god awful Brighton team and get beat 1-0 every time we've come up in a situation where things were really tough for us we just seem to have fallen apart and that's got to be questioned because that's what will get your top six is being able to grind out results when you're not playing well or when you're not in a good situation have you played well for half or full half this season would you say we've played well for half I would say no I'm not even asked about playing well no I'm not asked about playing well but by playing well to me is I think that we're the best team in this game and I just don't see it having some control on the game yeah I don't see it I just don't see it and whether that's the man sometimes I think is it the manager and then sometimes the player is not doing the job and the fact that I can't decide would suggest there's a clear issue somewhere because I can't tell if it's Gilffy not doing his job by dropping down or the manager seems to be high all the time but what I will say is though if the players aren't doing it on the pitch then why aren't they getting sub? yeah exactly so there is the manager for you there is the manager for you whether the players are not doing it or not the manager has got seven subs there that he can call on six don't include the hologram that he can call on so call on them he's not doing it so questions that could be asked it's going to be a long six days long five days these should have changed as needed but what can you do six wins from the last forty one away games absolutely horrendous but in all fairness we went back through it to about 2014 and the most we won in the season was five which was the same as last season as I said before it's not the manager it's something that won't change in the club just garbage I thought that the whole point was but that was all going to get changed maybe it will listen as opposed the most level added of everybody will turn around and say the reset button was pressed last summer 15 months in let's see where we go with it still early days but I think the questions you've raised today you're absolutely right the substitutions need to improve people need to take responsibility Delph had a proper cobon yesterday so I'm open to team meeting because people need to realise that you can't just float through seasons you can't there's an opportunity there this season and watched man United and Leicester for a bit on Saturday both absolutely shite the pair of them Leicester just bang a ball as high and long as it will go on over he can get on the end of it United that much better and watch Wolves and Chelsea Wolves are horrific Chelsea were alright and Abraham was great and then teams will be in the mix West Ham will be in the mix Wafford Dunor at the bottom but Arsenal were all over the place so there is an opportunity but there will only be an opportunity if Everton get their act together now and start going right okay you can lose a game of football you will do Tottenham lost 14 games last season of finishing the top four but you've got to start being able to go away Crystal Palace who was shite last year won eight away games and Everton at the moment you can't see us winning one away game as you say with Delft watch that Roy Keane interview and him and Guy Neville saying that the senior players the winners set the example set the standard we need Delft to set that standard because clearly the standard is the day for a reason all I say is that the leadership isn't going to come from the players on the pitch it has to come from the manager and at the moment it's not coming from either no it's not so therefore a brand needs to start changing the captain but it's the title it's the whole team where the Coleman needs to be out of the team or not I think it's time to consider having to go with Stevie just for something different but even so that captain thing it's a title the whole team needs to set a standard of consistency we're not going to be in the top six with our consistency at the end of the day you can't go win three home games then lose the next three away's you can't do that that's not good enough oh well fucking you do another grim away performance in the blues but let's hope we can start winning some because we have like you said before we haven't even played anyone yet we took one point from nine away from home and scored one goal so I don't think I could have handpicked three better the way you're going to have an opportunity of winning points and we haven't done it so it's something the manager and the players have clearly got a shot so big thanks to you and for being here for this as grim as it was if you haven't subscribed please do so if you haven't subscribed please do so if you haven't subscribed please do so if you haven't subscribed please do so and pray that we can win on Saturday see you later