Welcome back to the breakfast and class severe Africa time for us to check out the front pages of a national dailies We do have Mike a day by your who joins the conversation in no time I will set up with the nation newspaper and let's find out what's making it Looking at the front page of the nation newspaper. The board caption says United Nation United States senior Advocate of Niger to government act on Lagos hashtag and says reports That's a what you find another caption says why ask you can't go on strike by Chris in gigae and NASA rejects sharing formula another header says I IMF that's the International Monetary Fund in narrow will cut cost of diaspora remittances and You also find another caption here a kitty APC governorship aspirant to pay 22.5 million narrow for forms. I mean part of the conversation we had this morning on our top trending Governors insist on litigation to end Paris Club refund now and Five die 12 injured in Lagos gas explosion not a sad incident that happened That's the much we can take on the nation newspaper this morning Okay, and now on the daily independent It says there on broadband the bridging access gap in rural areas will linger says telcos gas explosion kills five in Lagos Wicked to IGP tell Nigerians motive behind invasion of Odile's residence and US says The US says it awaits Lagos response to end SARS report We could also find here. Buhari talks tough after banded skill 15 people in Sokoto XP DP chair Muaz who fled Nigeria day before 2015 presidential election says George national assembly intervenes in Nigeria UAE diplomatic role We can also find here headsman Leo butchers with cattle kill two and kidnap one in ondo I think those are the stories that we can share on the daily independent Away from the daily independence. Let's check out the leadership newspaper and the board caption reads 13 days to December Fest deadline MDA is food drag over compulsory Covid-19 vaccination for workers. That's the board caption for the leadership this morning and you find vaccination is compulsory Walkers insist. I take that again. Vaccination is voluntary. Walkers insist awaits memo Federal government launches massive vaccination campaign Friday says there are enough vaccines and manpower Still looking at the front page of the leadership You have non-implementation of narrow invoice for pot charges wassenfield scarcity That's also not the head of this morning only genuine negation can save Nigeria fire misquoted to say all of that and he says there's a writer saying we're poised to end killings says Southeast governors federal government unveiled sector to achieve new development plan and Kaduna to form 2022 budget from IGR and five killed in Lagos gas explosion Intimidation wouldn't get you presidency find out who's saying all of that on the leadership newspaper Now let's go to the punch newspapers Lagos and SARS report Federal government lists loopholes UN and US others demand sanctions So I'm going to advocate speed on white paper and amnesty calls for prosecution of attackers There are inaccuracies in the report. We are with white paper says federal government official All right Also on the Pontius born in federal government plans $100 billion Nigeria Brazil initiative on economy and food security We appeared case of Nigerian girl wrongly jailed in Cote d'Ivoire says the federal government Suspected headsmen kidnapped and kill on dope which has tricked to buy cows five dead 15 vehicles destroyed as phone call triggers Lagos gas explosion and also 300 Monarchs back in Tunibu for 2023 presidency says campaign a coordinator We can also find on the Pontius born in in our may reduce deposits in commercial banks IMF one CBN and By Javier Mila summons ministers as to as lecturers threaten fresh strike federal government blames theft and insecurity and and others as oil production plunges Those are the stories that we have time for on the Pontius morning. Mr. Mark. Adebayo. Good morning. Thanks for joining us once again Mr. Adebayo, can you hear us clearly? What will we of course way to connect properly with Mark Adebayo who's gonna be our analyst on the of the press this morning? We'll probably just you know talk through some of the stories Of course the federal government's reaction to the Ensa's report, you know, and it's saying that the federal government lists loopholes UN US and others demand sanctions song will do advocate speed on white paper I'm messy calls for prosecution of attackers and of course federal government officials saying there's inaccuracies in the report So we're gonna be speaking this morning with a renew who is who of course So we'll be joining us to discuss some of all these things and I'm not sure exactly what the response, you know that I was expecting from the federal government if they were going to be You know actually investigating properly or you know looking out for who? murdered Nigerians on the 20th of October 2020 and in the build-up also to the 20th of October because the papers the report says 96 bodies were on record 48 victims of the Togate and of course it says 11, you know possibly more But I'm not sure what the federal government's response really should be if it should be looking after inaccuracies in The report or actually should be, you know bothered at 96 Nigerians died. Mr. Dubai. Oh, good morning once again Yeah, good morning. Thanks for joining us. All right. Let's get you to speak on the Ensa's report It's made the headlines this morning on the punch. It says federal government lists loopholes UN and US and others demand sanctions and of course It says also there are inaccuracies in the report. We are wait white paper says federal government official Let's have your thoughts on that Okay, can you hear me now? Yes, we can go ahead, please Now the issue that you can see that the federal government is not you know Nigeria has not been lucky to have an empathetic leader since independence We have not been able to get a leader that empathizes with the people Look We are looking for loopholes. They are looking for errors. They're looking for their meeting excuses. I mean Human lives have been lost. I do know I'm sure it's even more than the 12 that they are declaring Lot of people have been injured a lot of people their lives have been have been destroyed by that incident You know, it has been proved that being established that soldiers and policemen went to leaky to shoot On arm protectors and kill some of them make some of them, you know Some are even missing that they have not been able to trace. I know what what what what is our government saying? They are looking for loopholes. Yeah, because for an issue They began addressing issues from the premise of lies or falsehood. They come out to say that Oh, so that didn't go there the attorney general of the federation came out to say that it was talks It was miscreants who put on a meal uniform to go to leaky to go and keep people The information minister of course that one is known for his inconsistencies and all sort of things So came out to say that even nothing happened at leaky even said that no police man No, the soldier went to leaky at all now a Committee set up by the state government as established that so just actually went to let it to keep people And the man the letter and corner who led the onslaught his name and pictures are out there Was established so the feedback government Rather begin to find a way to assuage the heart of the people the feelings of the people is now coming out To even damage their feelings the more and it is quite unfortunate It is tragic that we don't have leaders who defend us We only have leaders who defend themselves to protect themselves, you know, so It has been established What the fear that the future government should do is to apologize to Nigerians and to ensure that all the soldiers and policemen that were involved in the killing On the up to four clean off on our peace to protect us must be brought to go Anything other than that it is it is not accepted. Yeah, but we started by looking at the Current Nigerian government and their attitude because if you've clearly mentioned that they've you know started the old, you know In a conversation with being defensive and and not being factual and sometimes they will lie now try Lee Do you expect that there would be you know punishment for the people who have found corp people here? Then we do everything to protect them They do everything to protect those who are cooking those the killers of our use in leaky The boy government will do everything to protect them They will do everything to ensure that they are protected from Investigation from prosecution and sanction. They will do everything to do that, you know we Each time we have never in the initial of this country We have not had a government that speaks for the people that we have not we have not been lucky But this is the worst one in this government with protect anybody we speak up for anybody It would be that the federal government of Guari's presidency will come up and speak for the killer others We come up and speak for crazy roots. That's all if they want to speak for the people That's those are the good they speak for it's quite unfortunate. The thing is that I The civil society we have a lot of work to do now We have to ensure that the government does not bury this report We want to ensure that people are brought to boo We have to ensure that people are dismissed and sent to jail and that people have committed murder Should should take the the the full sentence of those who are committed murder This is a graffitian or profiled mother of Nigeria's who The only weapon they had that they was the Nigerian flag and they were sitting down How do you shoot somebody who's a who's in that you see in the kingdom of the animals in the kingdom of the Beast in the in the in the bushes What happens that when a lion wants to attack another lion and that lion goes down Respectfully the life of another tactic in those are animals who they have protocol of engagement if we need when they have a crisis But here in Nigeria soldiers who are supposed to be possible for them and other terrorists when against Unarmed peacefully protesting and shot them dead and then somebody comes out to say is a lie CNN was lying and they are media liars Transparency direction is lying You know The government comes out to lie and call other people liars why they are the last This thing cannot be buried. It will be a collective failure on the civil society if we allow this report to be buried Everybody including the governor who infacted the military to go to leki He came out of the night at the forces that are beyond their powers have gone to leki to create crisis Then the sonia came and say no the governor infacted them Everybody involved in the cumulative processes that led to the Mother of October 20 must be brought to justice That is what can sway the feelings of the families who have lost loved ones in this issue now Do you know that people that are still missing that they don't have no fun. They are corpses.  Why some of us are giving like bullets Okay, it was it was unnecessary for some guys to go to that place at all. It was unnecessary It was actually totally unnecessary. After all the guys who are about to disperse, you know by 839 They will disperse of this place. So I said to just by 7 o'clock to go kill them. Why? What did you switch was you run out of this country in the run her out of this country somebody Who should be given a CFR should be given a national award was sent out Like one may be going to attack the young lady began to call a liar We got to call a terrorist began to call our man of names and the lady Saying that this government is inhumane and who eliminated how to escape from Nigeria imagine It is a government for us and he's supposed to be a democracy a government of the people but Let's also continue in the same light of you know the issue because if you look at the nation newspaper The United Nation the United States is seem to be concerned seem to be interested You know with the fact that the federal government should implement the report of this panel submitted my question now Is do you think that you know the international community can and force compliance? Can force the hands of the Niger because we can actually predict what will happen? I mean what's on the street already saying that you know yes as much as we commend the effort of the panel toward extent to what Would he yield any results? That's also another one. So I'd like you to share your thoughts on that I also would also I don't know if you have seen that report the video where the chief of defense staff was saying that The means the channel which the report was actually put out is not a proper channel You shouldn't have been put out through that channel. Let's show your thoughts on this What is this? You know, I have never Trusted or depended on the traditional community to face your local problems for you. They can apply pressures What they need to do for us now the UN and the US what they need to do for us and all the International you know actors what they can do for us now is to match the world with action You know, it will work much like for instance. Why not anybody mentioned in that report? But therefore coming to your country, whatever they have your country in terms of money or property, you know Let them be such on them. They should not have access to anything any property They have after this country and any any account you have after this country, you know Let me apply individual sanctions against those people and apply such as against that you have to police that you have military so Of course any of our leader they should back them from coming to their to their countries to come and come and see medical care That will hit them that will make them do what is right. If you don't do that, they are not going to do what is right Nobody no president no governor no minister no commissioner No commissioner no councilor should leave Nigeria to go and see medical care and grow until they fix this answers matter And of course they need to end the source It does not end there. Nigeria police is still extremely oppressive with oppressive and unjust That's it killing people after the answers protest Minimum that minimum of 100 Nigerians are fully victim of police brutality In terms of a fatal fetalities, but in terms of a legal attention extortion army They are in their millions every day go to Nigeria rules. You see that one is a common place They didn't let anything. All right, Mr. Divayo anything from it or just as the point of correction that statement was accredited to the chief of Defense staff lucky rebel The chief of the staff What do you expect to do? What do you do? No matter how precious I trust you that they must have committed they would defend the other boys But you must remember that it is also in Nigeria and your children that they will fall victim of these things Yeah, let's quickly because of time let's also jump into other stories this morning on the daily dependent To of course stories on security there. It says Buhari talks tough After bandits kill 15 people in Sokoto It also says headsmen lure butchers with cattle kill two and kidnapped one in ondo Why he talks tough. He has been talking tough. He has not been acting tough. So that's one is not new You know every time you say when we come after you we will destroy you I don't consider that That's not a presidential President go after the killers And destroy them not that I will do this. He has said that a million times and nothing has happened It is a graffiti. They are killing general. They are killing soldiers every day is what and but and so called bodies All of them are theories, but the very government and if you to talk to to to to declare them as theorists It is our name people people are asking for the new the new Interpretion that they are calling theories so that the president is saying is threatening. He has been threatening Action without taking action. That's it It's nothing. Hey, but the theories are making just of the president. You know, you can't do anything. You can only talk You cannot act. They are not acting. They are not be I only I command our forces in the fields in the bad What they are doing But unfortunately, I do not believe that we have the kind of collaborative support that they're supposed to have from the federal government And the military I command that is where the problem is what happens to our intelligence community? You know before people are before the lay ambush, what what is the DSS doing? What is the DIA that I don't really tell you just doing what is the national Intelligence agency doing what what is their responsibility in telling you what you are seeing in the Gravation of the terrorist attacks in this country is the failure of intelligence. Our intelligence agencies have failed us They don't monitor the movement of the terrorist They don't they don't they don't look at the tactical movement and their tactical pedigrees to be able to pre-empt When they are going to strike and of course the Niger military is both of the times It's on the defensive instead of being on the offensive You don't wait on the SWAP or Bukwaram strike before you begin to pursue them Well pursue them and eliminate them. The Niger military has the capacity to professionalism to be able to handle Bukwaram. I bet you if you leave the Niger military within one month, Bukwaram will become a issue If you remove politics, remove a business from this whole issue of terrorism Remove politics, remove business, remove corruption. The Niger army, these are our soldiers I am proud of them. They will destroy Bukwaram and kill others and terrorists all over Nigeria within one month Give them one month without politics, without business. That's it Okay, let's move to the leadership newspaper where MBAs are foot-dragging over compulsory COVID-19 Vaccination. The question here is should vaccination or vaccines be compulsory? Should it not be a voluntary issue? It should be voluntary. It should be concessory Nobody should, especially if you are not travelling out of the country Nobody should force anybody to do to take a vaccine I do not. It will be constitutional, it will be legal, it will be ultra-virus To anybody to make it compulsory for anybody to take the job If you don't want to take the job for reasons of whatever, we should leave you alone Of course, the government over the world in this issue of COVID-19 government will say If you are not using your nose mask, if you are not taking the job, you can't do this We deny you some privileges and the rest of that But I do not believe, if you are able to prove that you don't have COVID-19 I don't think anybody should be forced to take the job If you are not travelling out of the country, I do not believe anybody should We are vital engineers to take the job But I do not believe the government should make it compulsory You can't force people to take the job But it is beneficial, I believe, considering all the medical literature we have read I believe it is necessary, not compulsory Well, we also need to improve on the number of vaccines we actually have available Before you start forcing people to take them Especially, that is what is happening in those states I don't know what is wrong with the government You are making this compulsory, why we arise Let that 2% of your people have been vaccinated Because that also, that is a feeling for them Why do you say you want to suck people People cannot come to the offices I mean, it's crazy, it's unreasonable All right, still on the daily independent Let's go back to talking Nigeria's challenges It says they are weak to IGP Tell Nigerians the motive behind the invasion of justice Audiliy's residence, share your thoughts on that Maka Dibayo Nigeria must get to the bottom of what happened To just immediately, on the night of Friday 29 October 2021 We must get to the bottom, we must know who did what It's a season of deniers I didn't know this person, they were not involved Now, 14 suspects have been arrested The same that are on the road All of them are security agents Either from the military or from the immigration service or the police How come it is only the civilians Among the coupons that were apprehended What happened to the soldiers, what happened to the policemen What happened to the immigration officer They must bring all the uniformed personnel that participated in that invasion They must bring everybody back Everybody must be brought back, they must be made to face And of course, you know We are disagreeing with Governor Miki He is calling on the IGP We are not going to get any transparent investigation from that We want an independent investigative panel To establish what really happened that night Why the attempted assassination of Justice Mary O'Donnell I don't know if we can call it an attempted assassination But I also want you to respond to some of the angles to it The fact that they are saying it's a fake policeman Or they are fake staffs of the security agencies And of course, the person who also said that he works For the Attorney General of the Federation And some of all of that I mean, of course, has denied and said he doesn't know that person And all these little details here and there Does that also show the level of inconsistency with the story Does that also show that we may not be making any headway? There are a lot of inconsistencies in the story But the police admitted that the Lawrence Ajudo Is a fake CSP Yeah, agreed, but they also admitted that There are security agents Identifiable, authentic, bona fide security agents From the police, from the army and immigration service They admitted that But all those ones, the same of them They said they escaped That they are on their own But they were able to arrange the prayer warrior The so-called Islamic prayer warrior They are able to apprehend the fake journalist They are able to apprehend the banker They are able to apprehend the fake CSP All of them are civilians The ones that are not in custody All of them are uniformed personnel Of the Nigeria Army, Nigeria Nutrition and Nigeria Police So we must know that Nigerians suspect there is an active attack at Kofaro And until you bring those, those who carry arms They are the ones, all the ones that carry arms The fact that this was an assassination attempt Is my personal opinion, you understand That's how I read it So it is not as if anybody said that But I, that is my opinion And I like what Franky Barr said Even if that happened They have thrown this country into a terribly Catastrophic crisis That nobody will be able to fatten the end of it So we must get to the end of it We are, all these ones we are, it's just Just more screen that we are hearing We are here to get to the real bottom Of what really transpired Who ordered that evasion Who approved the ammunition, the weapons Because how do we go to the Amoriyatid weapon Without somebody approving it Somebody, you must sign for it And take it, who approved it Who dispatched, there seems to be An interagency collaboration In the invasion of that woman's residence It's an interagency collaboration Immigration, army, police So, as somebody says The government doesn't know anything about it How is that even possible? That guy said he has The Kofa 29er comes through the office Of the 21st Federation Of course the IGF has denied him He said he has never seen the man before He has never met the man before He has gone, he claimed that Several assignments for Malamin But this one, Malamin did not send him The police must tell us Whether in the phone of that man Whether they did not find The telephone number of the IGF Or he gave us no communication There was never any communication between them Other through calls or text messages Or through chats They should be able to tell us that No, I think there's a desperate effort To cover up what really transpired From Wiki for calling on the government To really tell us what really happened And we should try not to allow this We shouldn't turn a general into a binary public We should not Because this is what this government is turning into We should not allow that We should know that the pedigree of this government Does not accelerate it from this issue When Wari came into power The first thing was to attack the judiciary The judges who have been attacking their beds Who have been taking away from their beds In the middle of the night It is 3 years to today So the government now says They know about this one Where the one who had gone after the judges When he came into power geleasedly under the guys that he was suspected He suspected that there were corrupt None of the judges that were embarrassed That were detained None of them went on to prosecution Because they were the grudner Established the case against them And this is democracy And I think the president must realize That he is religious soldier And that this is democracy Of he said he promised Now, we see that it's not even a Democrat at all who took a big born again. All right. It's a divide. Look at what he did in 1984. It's what he did against Maldico. It's what he did against Nambi Khan. So this thing keeps repeating itself. Illegal detentions and imprisonment of people. It is what is happening now. And then you are infuriating people's houses. It's supreme. It's a divide. Justice. Justice. Yeah. Of course, we're out of time for the press. But thank you very much. I always enjoy speaking with you. Thank you for your time and for speaking with us this morning. Thank you so much. Plesif Africa. You are number one in terms of human stories.  I think you deserve a national award. Thank you. Even though you are young. I agree. But you have taken the crown. Thank you. To those. I completely agree. Thank you very much, Mr. Adebayo. All right. And that's for off the press. So, of course, we're moving straight to today in history. Enjoy.


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I had challenging circumstances which prevented me from being here and that's all I'm prepared to say on the matter at the moment. We won't push yet. You're back and it's a step in the right direction. It is a step in the right direction. A big step in the right direction. Maybe several steps in the right direction. 13-14 steps in the right direction. Who knows if you count them. Dave is back. David it is the most joyous episode to be back for so far this season. Everton win. Everton's first victory. It's Ned's birthday. Now we'll go on to Ned's birthday in the random section. Because it won't be more random than Ned's birthday. Exactly and that's random enough. Everton went to the capital and won. It's the first time since Dominic Halvert-Lewin's goal at West Ham United back in 2021. But it was A, an unexpected result I would suggest.  I'd agree on both fronts. I didn't fancy it the way at Brentford at all in the current form. Brentford are useful as we know and we don't travel well. I didn't hold out any hope of us picking anything up there. But as you say, it was a great performance. It was a deserved victory. Could have been more even perhaps. A decori not hit the bar. So yeah, I think fully deserved and I think more important than... Listen, the three points are hugely valuable. It's made our position at the table look certainly more respectable than it did before. Because I was starting to get concerned about where the next points were coming from. Seeing as Maureen down there on one point. But I think more than anything else, it's hopefully a big confidence booster. All of them, bar none, needed some confidence in that squad. And hopefully those sort of performances and that kind of result will actually help them hugely going into the games ahead. Which again on paper would look favourable in terms of who we've got up. For the next two in the league and there should be points there. How important do you think that can be with the two games coming up? Because obviously two home games like Dave just said, you'd look at them and we always go six points there. History generally says Evan don't win the two home games. But this would be a great opportunity. This sign for Evan to really move away from the table. Well it takes the pressure off doesn't it? It takes the pressure off Saturday a little bit. Not looking for that first win. And gives us an opportunity. And if we can get that first win on Saturday then obviously it takes all the pressure off again the form of game. Like Dave said then you start to look at the table. You look at the points and you think like this is starting to look better.  There's pressure off everyone with everything going on at the football club. So yeah I mean of course it's not ideal waiting six games for your first win. And obviously it came in at a place that I don't think a lot of people thought we were going to get it. So yeah I think it just takes the pressure off. Hopefully it doesn't mean that anyone is complacent of course. Because Saturday is a huge game. But yeah takes that pressure off. I think as well one of the things you've got to look at is that and certainly what I took from the game of the weekend. That's got to be almost a bar I think now for the level of performance and the resilience. Because too many times Everton over in recent history this isn't all on. This isn't just under Sean Dyche. This was here with Frank Lampard and it was here with Rafa Benitez and Carlo to some extent. Everton's resilience levels aren't great. So we can see the goal and you're sitting there thinking there'll be another one along in a minute because it seems to totally and utterly throw us. And at the weekend there was one incident where it might have happened. Just after they'd scored, they nearly scored again. But other than that, Everton controlled it quite well didn't he really? Now I think you're right. I think the resilience was there in this game. And certainly I was watching it thinking that if they had played to that level against Shefford United then they would have undoubtedly won that, which would have been another two valuable points. But yeah, I think they showed what they should be doing week in, week out when you look at the players that we have in that. So I think sometimes it's easy to forget who we've got. And I'm not saying that we've got a sparkling squad, but in the likes of Decouray and people like that, they could players and when he's on his game and as he showed, he took his goal really well. He nearly followed it up with another excellently hit effort minutes later that hit the bar. It could have put the game to bed at that point. And yeah, they were playing in the way that I think they should really be playing in terms of who we have at our disposal on a weekly basis. We still got players to come back from injury. But above all else, I think it's a confidence thing for me. I just felt that as the games went on week in, week out, we were starting to get ourselves into a bit of a tailspin. And it's difficult to see how you get out of that. And if this result hadn't come when it did, you know, you go into the Luton's and the Bournemouths. And as you say, all the pressure's there. Everyone's thinking these are absolute must win games, which they still are by the way. I mean, nothing has changed on that front. They still are must win games because you've got to be getting those points now because there will be tough runs of games coming up. But there would have been so much pressure, I think, heaped on their shoulders that I think a lot of them would have buckled. And so to actually have a little bit of breathing space and a bit of freedom based on what happened last weekend, I think, is crucial going into this run of games. Ped, I mean, a big thing we talked about it obviously on the final word and stuff like that was but having the likes of Dominic Calvertlyw and able to come on for better. So there was no dropping quality. Again, I said it yesterday, you could almost argue it was even a slight upgrade in quality just because of what Dom's done in the Premier. But that's key, isn't it? And then when Jack Harrison's bat, he played 45 minutes last week. When that comes in, as Dave just said there, there are players now who give the manager variations. Yeah, I think we've all spoke about the size of the squad. But at least if we've only got maybe like four subs, say, ready to go subs, then the quality doesn't drop off. And I think with, yeah, I think with Dom and Beto, with Jack Harrison and whoever's playing on the right-hand side, with Dan Duma and Dwight MacNeill, with James Garner. You've got players there, Patterson, sorry as well. James Coleman to come back. Yeah, you've got players there where there's not a lot of drop-off. So that in games like this, you can keep that continuity. You know, you'd rather have a bigger squad with the quality, but at least if you're going to have a smaller squad, make sure that the players coming on have the same kind of quality and can go in and do the similar jobs. And there's not much changing in our approach. And I think Dom coming on for Beto was massive because he just kept that pressure off. When you're thinking early on the season or maybe last season, you're keeping your main striker on for longer, who might then become tired of it. And then if you do swap them, it might be for Mopai or it might be at the Marey Greig. And that is... Ella Sims. Yeah, Ella Sims as well. And you're losing that element of quality, which allows the opposition. And we saw in the Sheffield United game, literally for the last 15 minutes, we were hamstrung because we had Beto, a front who wasn't coming off. We had Dwight McNeill on the right who wasn't fit. And we had Dan Durmer who didn't look like he was capable of playing the last 15 minutes. And that allowed Sheffield United to start getting up the pitch and not causing us loads of danger, but obviously stopping us from causing them danger. So, I think in this game, it allows us to just keep our foot on the puzzle. Absolutely. And Dave, that's something we've seen from other clubs who may be not as... you'd say, way as good as Everton, team-wise over the last couple of years. But what they did have is a level of play that were all similar skillset, if you like. So, even though we might say our best eleven is way better than this, if our best eleven is tired after 65 minutes and then, like Pett said, the options off the bench aren't great. Other teams were able... One sticks out to me last season at home, which was Wolves on Boxing Day. They made five changes and all five of them, you go. They could actually get in their first eleven. And that then changes won the game for them. We have to do that, don't we? Even though, like Pett said, we haven't got a huge squad. If we can get kind of like 14 or 15 players who we think could all play in our first team, when we're making them changes, there won't be a drop really, will there in quality? Competition for places is so important. And I think that you could see that, by the way, that Dominic bounced onto the pitch when he came on. I think it's really, really important that, rather than him coming on as the only real striking option, which is what we've had before, he's coming on for Beto. And he knows that it's not just him there. He knows that actually Beto could get a decent run in the team and actually keep Dominic out if things went slightly differently. So he's got to come on there. He's got to prove it. And I would imagine from Dominic's point of view, he's coming on kind of thinking, all well and good, but I'm the one with the Premier League experience. I'm the one that's been here longer. I'm the one with the goals tally. And actually it's given him something to fight for. I'm not saying that he wasn't fighting before and don't get me wrong, and I'm not criticising Dominic's attitude previously, but I think that there was a healthy bounce about him when he came on the other day. And I think that a lot of that you can put down to, you know, the fact that Beto is there and that they both need to be using the other one to spur each other on. And as you say, you know, with regards to the Wolves example as well, it is its competition for players in all positions and just hopefully a happier, buoyant squad. And winning games of football makes that a lot easier. Is there a risk of trotting out another overused cliché? It does though. I think players like competition as well or no. You know, you've got players, certain players who want to know they're playing all the time and they relax then and do that. But players like competition because, hey, if you look around the squad and see better plays in your squad, that makes you feel your part is something better. You know, we're trying to improve all the time and it gives you that edge because it's like anything at work, isn't it? Wherever your job you're doing, after a while, you do go through the motions it's human nature and then if someone comes in who might be, not after your job, but someone comes in and all of a sudden the spotlight's kind of on them as well, that picks your game up a little bit. You want to prove it and don't. I think you've right, don, bounced on to the pits the other day. Looking the best. See in his face. Exactly, just look the term and ready to go and he come on and it was amazing how quickly he got it. Because sometimes we've all played 40 when you're in a show, but sometimes it's really difficult to get up to the speed of the game. He was on it immediately. Because he knew that he had to be. That was the thing. He knew he had to be. He had something to prove and as I say, whether that was an intentional state of mind that he came on with or just, I suspect it was more kind of just in built. I think that he read the situation. He knew he had to come on. He knew that he had to at least match what Beto had done, if not more. He did that and he got his goal and job done. I think the body language when he came on, the body language when he scored as well. He made reference to obviously the fans who had booed him and criticised him in the past. He wasn't going to let that go. I mean quite rightly, I think to be fair. Let's hopefully see this as a turning point in the season early on in the season. We just need some more of those. If we can get, I mean listen, we should be getting six points on the next two games, but if we can get four points on the next two games, then our position will look dramatically better. I'm paired just before we go on. From that it is spite, isn't it? Now those two games, it will be difficult to feel both come with different challenges, but we must be quite lively. Luton have got their first point of the season as well, so they might feel better about themselves but from my event and perspective, even putting the cup game against Phil, it's on one side because it's slightly different. We've got to at least this weekend take the three points and follow up that away win with a home win. When you do that, you feel quite good. Absolutely, we've got to get three points this weekend. It's a team that we should be beating. People have beaten and have to beat them to put that daylight between us and them, even this early on. So pick a day of the games at home, you've got to win. You've got to, you've got to. Absolutely. Dave, just quickly then. Villar away in the cup. Obviously recording this before we've gone there to tough game, isn't it? How high is it on your priority list at the moment? This cup. Not particularly high to be honest with you.  But I think the situation that we find ourselves in now, you know, we're not really in a position to be enjoying a little sideline cup run. Yes, of course, I would like them to do well tomorrow night. But if they don't, I don't really care. I'm just more focused on Luton and Bourne coming up an actual points on the board, because that's all that's really important after the last two seasons. That's where our priority has to go. For us, every win has got to be converted into points rather than anything else. It's going to be tough going to Villar away. You know, they're a good side under Emory. They really are. And that, you know, in many ways, similar club to us, we've always said that. And I think somebody pointed out a few weeks ago that they were sort of drawing the parallels in terms of the fact that, you know, Villar are going one way and we're very much going another way, which isn't good. So, you know, it'd be good to make a good show of ourselves at Villar Park. But as I say, if we get nothing from it, I won't be losing any sleep. I'm pet gone and you can have the last word with that. And when Dave camped to be honest, I'd love us to win. And I think if we won and then got a favourable home, so you can't start going and say, you are, we could be in the quarters here. But if ever and where to be knocked out, it'll air because I don't like us losing friendly matches. But the focus for me is still holding on the two home games a little bit more. It is, but I think it's a really good time for this game because I think we've got those players coming back who we can get a look at and can give some game time to and mix it up a little bit and you can get a little look at those players. Maybe James Garn and Midfield might start down. Jack Harrison might come off the bench. Dan Jume. So there's a real good opportunity to see some of those players we've just spoken about that could come into this one. So of course, want to win the game. But you know, the focus for me again is on Saturday. Obviously we're all desperate to win a trophy, but I do understand what Dave's saying. It's about steadying the shift just right now. But for Willard, they're in bad. Four games in nine days for them. They might have kids playing for all me. They might feel the same. I know there's a little bit of anger from the fans for this game because of the prices. There's been a bit of a boycott. So it could be. Everything could happen for me. And then that's just a confidence. But I hope we don't want, I think what Dave's saying, don't want to stretch yourself too far. I wouldn't want to see players getting injured for a win tonight. So there's tomorrow. Well, yeah. It depends what country it is. It depends on when you're watching it, doesn't it? I mean, it could be last week.  Happy Christmas anyway. Yeah, well done. Yeah, well done. Moving on then, moving on from that joviality and the joyous chatting.  It's amazing. Now it is amazing. This is another joyous moment. Ned, it's his birthday today. It's his birthday. He's a happy... He's a man now, 23. He's a man. He's had his 21st, and he's had his year of, you know... The poetry. Yeah. Well, sort of. The poetry with food and stuff. And now he's 23. So we expect to see a moment sure. You know, what are you thinking about, Ned? At 23. What do you want to see? We've talked about what you want to see from Evan and the squad players. What do you want to see from Ned? I'd like to see a wife by the end of the year. That, I mean that. What are you going to say by the end of the show? Well, you know. He's online. I'd like to have a new car by the end of the year. I'd like to... I think his mum would like him out of the house. I think so. Wife or no wife. It could be a show. Your mum, my Ned. What about that? We could pitch that to Channel 5. I think Channel 5 would be all of that. I think so. Yeah. Mario mum off to Ned. To Ned. To be a list. To copy a list. To be a register, I think. It's definitely a register. It's always a register. Could be anything. I mean Dave, Judy, man be your 23rd birthday in ancler focus or is it just a blur? I'm trying to think where I was in life. So I was 23 in 1997. Terrible season for Evan. Terrible season for Evan. Awful season. Yeah, 1997. So I had just started working at Radio 1. But I think it was my first birthday, actually, having joined Radio 1. You were there at 1? How young did they take them? I joined there December 96, age 22. So yeah, it was my first birthday there. So I suppose, yeah, it was quite an exciting time really. And I do actually, funny enough, I do look back at the age of 23. And I have said before that that is a really good age, not just because it's your 23rd today, Ned, but it is a really good age because you're past your 18s and your 21s. You're young enough, you know a little bit about the world. And we must stress it's only a little bit.  So yeah, I think 23 is a good age. And so for that, Ned, I would wish you many happy returns today and all the very best for your 23rd year ahead. When I was 23.  When I was 23. Basically a month. I started going grey. I wasn't then ever, but all I was going to say a month after I was 23, ever, money I fake up. There you go. There you go, Ned. So, you know, a month after your 23 ever might have won a home game. It's sad because I didn't... I didn't watch the game on Saturday. Why can't I have just mumble it? And we know what you're birthday and we're trying to be nice to you. But you're not in the podcast? When you were 23. When you were 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. 23. I was sliding slide real passers-through to the likes of Ryzynski. Great times. I liked Ryzynski. That's fine. He got off to follow me, thought follow him with a bigger club, he said. No, I know, I know, I know.  Here's another one where we're talking about random expletives. Here's one that you perhaps won't agree with. I quite liked Kevin Morales as well. No, I like Kevin Morales. He just ended badly with him, but he was good. I used to enjoy seeing him come on because I thought he had something natural about him, you know, and could change again. Don't you think the decline of Everton Football Club started when Kevin Morales took the ball off Leighton Baines? Against West Bromwell. If you were in the crowd, you were also in the Rocky film. In the Rocky film, yeah. And then Miss Creed. Missed the penalty, cos he wanted to have a message for one of their friends who he'd died, didn't he? On his shirt, and he wanted to score and showed the message, and missed the penalty. That's where the decline can be traced back to. There, and the had your case is more real. I think it started there. I think it actually started there. Well, it was Roberto Martinez's decline. That's where that started. Great times. We didn't expect to do it. We didn't expect to do it. An ex-Everton player, random Leighton's and Ned's. That's a great sign. It's a great sign. I scored a couple of great goals at the base. It was a 2-2 draw. The other one, we lost to one, but he scored a well. We played Wolfsburg away, and I believe I was there, and he scored the second goal. It was fantastic. Everton was super that night though. I imagine Everton being in Europe going away against the Kevin de Bruyne team, and absolutely batting them. Halcyon, the Halcyon days. The Halcyon days. Got a couple of random questions. I asked, right? I said random questions. When we asked the plenty of members. So, non-football. First question. Are there any plans to support infrastructure around the new stadium or match days? Sorry, that is not a question for this show. Is that not a council question? It is. I'll be honest, Alan. Thank you for your question. I'll be honest, we don't make infrastructure decisions on this podcast. You don't plan them either? No. Derek's what's the strangest piece of football memorabilia. You've got, again, ignoring the random football. He said strangest, hasn't he? We'll have that. OK, so go on, Peth.  I'll tell you what I have got. I don't know whether this is strange. I just think it's quite unique. I've got the blueprints for Finch Farm. Nice. There's ghostly images of Tim Cail, Ar Teta, and Andy Johnson on it. OK. It was like a special print that the people who built it did. I don't think many people have got that. I would have to guess that almost nobody has got that. I suggest you've got it. I'm the one who's got it. It's got weird ghostly images in the background of a couple of three players in particular. And I don't think anyone else has got that. So that's quite unique. Unique is the word. Unique is very much the word. I've got a Afcon winners medal in my house. I'm pretty sure it's Daniel Llamacati's or one of them. I don't know why I've ended up with that. I'm Robbie Fowler's boots. I think, again, it's Pumas that he's worn in the Premier League. Again, I don't understand why I've got them. Is this one just to be a big bag of swag? Yeah, yeah, yeah, basically.  And when I took it back, they were like... Just keep it. So it's in my loft somewhere so I need to dig it out because it can come in here. You could sell that. Robbie Fowler's boots, yeah, yeah. The lovely boots. Pumas Kings, they're very nice. Watch yours, Dave. It's already featured on this podcast before, but it's obviously Liam Osman's training shorts. Oh, yeah. Which I still wear to run into this day. It's impressive that, A, you still fit in them. B, you still run them.  And also, you know, Liam, fair play thing. You're keeping the Liam, the Leonard Osman legend alive.  Yeah, I think so. I'm going to go and get them again. It's going. The durability though. What's going to say? The durability. Something about the quality and the craftsmanship of the shorts. Will that listen umbro a renown for quality and craftsmanship? I think. Or I think certainly that's what they led you to believe. Well, if they weren't, they aren't... I'll be honest. I've got a pair of... I've got a pair of Duncan Ferguson's blue Everton's shorts from 1990. Man, you like the game, right? When he scored two. I've got those shorts. You should bring them in. Give them to me because they wouldn't fit you. No. Go on round the house kind of shorts. Go ahead, Dave. Let's have a look. There they are. 21. Leonard's num. They're just the quality of the shorts. Quality of the shorts. Fair play. I don't make them like they are anymore. They're thin and hardy. Incredible. There you go.  I don't think anyone's beaten an African nation's medal. I know. It is weird. It was actually on sale I was thinking. This is weird. What year is it from? 90 something. It's Nigeria. It's Nigeria. When Nigeria, buddy. There you go. I don't know. 1995. I'm a fatty plate for us, didn't I? So I don't know. 1995, 1996. Does he know you've got his ACOM medal? I think he probably had about four. I think he's went up and took loads. He had a lot of them. You know Colin who's normally here. He'll take his forum and he'll just never give it to him. Mark says, this is random. You're on the run from the police. Where are you hiding in this country and who would be your first call to help you? Interest on one. Shouldn't really call anyone, should you? You shouldn't. It's not a phone. It isn't millionaire. You shouldn't be phoning a friend, really. Because you're bringing them into. Exactly. You're making them part of it. I mean, where would you go? I'm sure Radio One would have done this, Dave, when you were there, some kind of thing like this. Surely. They've done a hide-and-seek thing, but it's more recent than our time. They did one a few years ago, and they had Greg James and Nick Grimshaw and stuff like hiding. But I think of the, I often, there's a programme called Hunter's, which I'm sure you're aware of, which is good for making you think about stuff like this. So, if we sort of mould the question round in terms of how you would negotiate Hunter, for example, which is kind of the same thing, is that because you've got AMPR everywhere and you've got CCTV and bus stations and everywhere on the street and at cash machines and whatever, I've always thought, surely, the way to do this, and it wouldn't be great telly, and this is probably why you're not allowed to do it, because it's probably slightly manipulated, one would imagine. That's certainly not the thoughts of me as a whole, but the thing is that I would probably just go to my friend's house next door and just go and try and spend two weeks in their, you know, in their spare room, upstairs, on the basis that I'd kind of go, right, listen, I'm just going to stay here. In fact, to be honest with you, it's not really any different to when I had to isolate the Omicron version of Covid, because I spent 10 days in this very room here and I didn't go anywhere, right? So it's the same kind of policy whereby if I was staying with you, let's suppose that we're next door neighbours and I'm on this show called Hunted and so I think, right, ready, steady go, all these people go legging off with their backpacks into the city centre and they get spotted on this camera and that camera and the train and whatever. I would just stroll around to yours, right, with a few changes of clothes. And a baseball cap, surely? Everyone, baseball cap, people don't see it. But you don't need it indoors for you because no one's going to be there. No, what, if you're strolling round to his house, you're going off there. Okay, fine, but it's hopefully not very far. We come round to yours and I say, right, I'm going to be here for a couple of weeks time. All I need you to do is can you just get me whatever I need in terms of the basics, whatever, you know, food, shower gel, deodorant, toothpaste, whatever it is. And at the end of the two week period, just give me a bill and then I will just transfer that money to you, all good. No one's had a check on any of my out goings and my credit card or anything and I've loved it. Would it help if I lived in a bungalow? No, I think that would actually be a downside because I think that if you're in a bungalow, I would be on ground level, therefore potential hunters could see me through the windows. Whereas the reality is that if I was upstairs, they're less likely to see it unless a stepladder's involved. I was just thinking of you, Dave. How do you mean? Oh, sorry. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. Fair enough. There you go. Yeah. Where would you go then, Pet? If Dave's doing it. Dave's come up with it. I think it's quite a good one. It's not good telly. It's a way to crack the show, I think. Say it's not good telly, but didn't that fellow, the canoeist, basically just like next up? Exactly. He did. Didn't he? He was dead. What a show. What a programme that was. It's not real life. No, well, no. But I'm saying when you watch, like the actual thing. That wasn't as good. That was good, but it was just mad because the footage of the interviews the police were giving at the time when he'd gone out to sea. The chief of police, or one of the leading investigators said, people are saying he's done a red deep head but it's nonsense. He's done it and he's literally done it. He literally was just living where he was. Do you know what, Dave? I'd buy into it.  Do you have a hat on? You'd have to change it slightly because you are quite... I don't think I'm big in Cornwall. You're a certain size with that. Have you been to Cornwall? When you say big in Cornwall, do you mean in terms of your status as one of the country's leading podcast house and media personalities? Or do you mean big in terms of your size in comparison with, say, an average Cornish fisherman? Are you saying Cornish fisherman or my size? I'm saying both, to be honest. I'm saying both. No, Cornwall is probably renowned for having big, freakish people. Hairy people. Very isolated. It's practically its own thing. Fair play. Devin knows how good Devin knows is. There you go. It's an interesting concept, isn't it? Where would you go? Where would you hide? Where would you go? Where would you go Barry? I'm a cat he's loved. Yeah, basically. Give him his Afcom medal back. Wales or Scotland, I think. You're always recognised in Wales. Not in Scotland. I mean, I don't know because I've been there. Scotland's vast though, isn't it? It's getting there though. You've got to get through all those things. I go to St Allen's, forget it. You'd be able to hide in St Allen's. I've got the technology. No, no.  So, therefore, I reckon you could get a couple of weeks out of it before someone in St Allen's went. Not from round there, are you? Absolutely. I don't think the hot on, you're not round from round here. Yeah, a caravan in St Allen's. Pachent. It's an interesting thing. It'd be difficult. And yet, it calling people is not... It can't be bringing other people on to it. Alexander Hoffle, Susan's brother, says, if you were a vegetable, what vegetable would you be and why? I think I'd be a potato because I just think in terms of a vegetable, it's a proper or rounder, isn't it? It's fair society. You can do everything the potato. There's not many vegetables that are as useful and as robust, certainly to our national cuisine, as a potato. So, I think that would be me. You know, sort of very much in every man type of vegetable. Vegetable of the people, I'd say, Dave. I'd say, yeah. That's what Dave represents to me. I mean, what about you? Spudwyn, Leon, Osmond Shorts. That's what Dave is talking about. Why not? Is an aubergine a vegetable? Yeah. Yeah, it must be. Well, I mean... I mean, why not? You have been called. I just like being everyone's favourite emoji. That's all there is. I said everyone's favourite emoji. It's up there. It's up there. Fair play to you. Fair play to you. I'd be broccoli. Would you? Good for you. Full of free radicals. Iron. Iron good for you. Iron. Feels brittle. You say brittle, but I think about the goodness I'm putting in you. Very... That's what might one was. There you go. I think about the goodness I'm putting in you. Is that... I'm just saying that's that. You take it anywhere you want them. Again. All fits in my pet. Great song. There you go. Think about the goodness I'm putting in you. There you go, shall we man? Continue profile, isn't it? Exactly. I mean, a Ned. You know, 23 now might be on the Tender. He's been on the Tender for ages. He's been on the Tender for ages. He's still lucky, I suppose, on the Tender. What it's there for doesn't actually work for Ned. No. What about this one? Because me and Ned were talking about this. This isn't funny. But me and Ned were screaming... Hang on, this isn't... Without going anywhere near it. This isn't harking back to the pre-recording conversation that you had. Because that wasn't funny? No, no, no. There was one before that. There was one before that. It's not funny. This isn't funny in any way. Why are you talking about it? Because it's just... You know, as someone who has frequented Florida... Yeah, sorry. I was wondering where you were going for that. There's a new story of an alligator walking down the road. With a human remains in its mouth. A 13-foot alligator was found walking along with a woman's remains in its mouth. 20 miles off west of Tampa. They've obviously sorted the alligator out. Because it was just one, you know, one ddringle on the road.  When you say sorted it out in what respect... The few mainly ended it, essentially. All right. Permanently. You know, what did I... Permanently. It won't be carrying any more human remains in its mouth. Yeah, it's dead. I mean, I think we get the point. It's dead. Do you think it was just showing people? Going with this? Well, what I'm thinking was Ned's nest, which is the biggest animal you could fight. Right? And then he said he could take an alligator. No, he couldn't take a 13-foot alligator. He couldn't take a 13-foot alligator. I said he couldn't take a 13-foot alligator. He said all you'd have to do is get on its back and put your arm round its neck. How are you getting on its back? Literally, my thing was like... Well, from behind. I think the best approach is always from behind. Well, you've got to take it from behind. Right?  Now, alligators and crocord, that's a famous for a roll. Quite famous for a roll. They are famous for rolls, death rolls, the cold. I don't... Yeah, but that's only in a water-based scenario. I don't think they can do a death roll on land. What if he tried, don't they? Would you like to try it with the eyeballs? The concrete? No, I wouldn't. But I'm pretty sure the alligators and crocodiles can't look behind them without the aid of an elaborate system of mirrors. I don't think they can do it. I don't think they can do any of that, which means that Ped could be onto something here, because if he was... Ned, not Ped. Sorry, Ned. Ped's not that mad. I always get them mixed up. Yeah. But if Ned was to approach quietly and stealthily from behind, I think that he would have a chance of actually getting into that position where he is on top of it and able to restrain it in the manner in which he suggests. Couldn't be first now. I see that. You know, I haven't worked with Ned for a number of years now. I still doubt that he will be able to do that. It is likely that he will be wearing someone else's shoes. Well Crocs. Crocs, Crocs, Crocs! Crocs! It would be quite ironic. It would be quite ironic, wouldn't it? That he's wearing Crocs. Ah, Crocs. Yeah, and they'd be a noise because they didn't quite fit. It squeaked. And that would give the game away and I think he... You'll have a squeezee on, Thomas Crocs. You're having a time... You've seen dangerous animals elaborate, please, into the microphone. ymlaen. Mae'n cael ei ddweud eich bod yn ymdod yn ymddyl. Gwell, mae'n gweithio ddim yn rhoi'n gweithio'n gweithio'n llwy ffordd, a mae'n 23. Gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio, ac mae'n 0-23. Mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio, ond mae yn disgwylio'n gweithio. Mae'n meddwl am y ddechrau i'n gweithio i'r ddweud i'r llwyngau gyda'i ddechrau a'r sgwrthflwng. r sewing is to you were both of you being unusually nice and unusually kind to Ned today. And now that I realised its his special day, it does make a lot more sense. So in that respect again, Ned on behalf of myself and Peter and Barry, we just like to wish you all the very best and many many happy returns. I bring him a cake and a $30 but a big 30 milk bar because he is getting it big time. Felly hynny yn gynllun hwynt ar y bod yn cyd-rhyw yw'r dyfodol sydd iawn. Felly hwnnw'n dych chi'n aelod. Felly e'w cilio cyllidau alywodd o'n mwy adeilad a'r cyhoedd. Mae gandd-dweithi'n ddim esemdd o'n cael ei hoffa, yn fawr o'n tro ar-dryniant. Felly yw'r ddechrau, Ndo'n hoffa! Mae angen ydi i'n cilio ar-dryniant! Felly yw'n hoffa, wrth gwrs, at yng Nghymweith, sy'n roi'n gofyn yn digwyddio mewn fitr. I hope that kills us so Barry, so I hope that kills us! As Evie Tounians, we know that don't we Sam? What a great way to fit. What were you saying before we finished? You could easily train a shark. You could easily train a shark, fair play to you. I can't disprove that theory because you were not. I haven't got a shark in here for you to train. I'm not sure sharks can be trained by anyone. A madsion no, just a madsion. Right, if Ned had the six sense,厦on drosio gydeunydd. The facility to be able to train shark. I'll be honest, I think, I think there's only one way we can find out if that works. And so, you know, let's see we can set that up. That's a channel 5 show, if ever a show. Yeah, Ned versus Shark, Shark Week. Shark and Discovery Channel. Fair play. It's a really short series. One episode. Ned versus shark. A really short episode, yna. Dyma dyma. Mae yna gwrdd. Yn dweud y nesaf yn yw'r ffyrdd. Yn y dweud. Yn y dweud. Dyma yna. Mae yna'n cael ei ddweud. Mae'n fawr ydw i'w wneud ychydig. Mae'r gwaith ei ychydig. Mae'n ddweud o'r hyn yn fawr i hefyd. Mae'n ddweud o'n gwneud. Mae'n ddweud o'r ffyrdd. Mae yna'n ddweud o'n ddweud o'n gwneud. i'w ddechrau'r cyfraffaeth. Felly mae'r gwaith yw'r cyfraffaeth. A gwybod yn ymgyrch yn ymgyrch. Yma.


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I'm still talking about the APC Congress. The Governor Simon Lalong of Plattu State has commended members of the APC in the state for the peaceful conduct of the party's ward congresses in the area. Lalong made the commendation on Saturday during a visit to three wards in just north local government area to monitor the exercise. He visited Gangare, Ibrahim Katsina and Joss Jarawa wards, along with the Minister of Women Affairs, Dame Pauline Tallinn, the Deputy Speaker, House of Representatives Idris Wase and other stakeholders. He said peaceful conduct of the exercise was a sign of the commitment of the party to ensure that accountable and credible leaders handled its affairs. He said the gesture would consolidate on the efforts of the party to succeed in the 2023 elections, saying with this unity it will ensure that the APC will succeed in the state and the country. Hello, hope you enjoyed the news. Please do subscribe to our YouTube channel and don't forget to hit the notification button so you get notified about fresh news updates.


Hi, I'm Ajun Nakajima. We are working on TE-IO support, Trusted Execution Environment IO, where we can assign a device or device interface to trusted VMs. Today, we are presenting device attestation for confidential computing. This is the first step for the TE-IO. As I'll explain later, today, direct IO is not available for hardware-based TE-VMs, for example, TDX-VM. And I'll cover the first part of the introduction, and Joanne will cover most of the presentation. This is just the discrimers. First, I'll talk about IO virtualization in a virtualization-based trusted execution environment, TE, showing the types of configurations and use cases. I'll also talk about overview of architecture for trusted VMs with TE-IO to show how the device attestation is positioned in a big picture. I have a presentation tomorrow to talk about more details of the architecture and then implementations. So this table shows how physical devices are used in a TE environment. The first one is a trusted device. Obviously, such a device is not included in a TCV of a trusted VM. We cannot use that device directly assigned to the guest. And I'll talk about more details later. The second one is a trusted device. But still, we need to use a bounce buffer. I'll talk about details more. So let's go into the more details on the next page. Before that, currently, we have only one. We are seeing some use cases of two, but we haven't seen three yet. So this is the first one, untrusted device, and that device is not visible to the trusted VM. Instead, guests will see synthetic devices, such as VRTIO. And in that case, we cannot use that low data. And then the data needs to go to the shared memory or unprotected memory. So we need to copy the TVM, need to copy out or copying in the data. And then the device needs to do DMA against the shared memory. And then the device will see only encrypted data. To protect the data, the TVM needs to encrypt or decrypt the data when do the IO. So in this case, no direct IO. And notice there are two sides of an overhead. One is copying, copy out the data like this. And then encryption, decryption to protect the data or integrity of the data. And this model works when the device doesn't consume the data for computation. For example, like a network storage, we can send encrypted data to a network, like a TLS. Or the encrypted volume, we just create encrypted blocks. So this case is actually the most common case of the use cases today. Next one is the direct IO assignment. So let's say the TVM can trust the device in some way. Then assign the device to TVM. However, if the device doesn't share the key, then it cannot do direct IO to the TVM. Even if the device and then TVM share the key for the encryption, decryption, if the underlying data link is not trusted, then the TVM still needs to use the shared memory, like the type 1. And then also IO MME and then MMI are still managed by the BMM. So if a BMM is not trusted, there are some risks for the TVM. For example, MMI is used for the TVM to access device interface registers, such as command registers of the device. And it's possible that the BMM can set up mapping to a wrong device, for example. So there are such cases there, as long as the BMM is not trusted. Now this is the summary of physical devices in the TVM environment. As we saw, the first two both require bounce buffer, where the TVM needs to copy in, copy out, combined with the encryption. The first case, the TVM itself needs to decrypt and encrypt the data for the protection of the data. Second case, the device also needs to do that. The difference between the first and the second one is the device needs to consume the data for the computation. For example, GPU or FPGA, they need to consume the data. And if the data is encrypted, then it also needs to, the device also needs to encrypt the decrypt. Okay, so to minimize such overhead, we need to have direct assignment of a TEIO device. So that's our goal. So next I'll talk about how we can do that. Okay, so this is the new spec, it's called the TD-ISP, Trusted Device Interface Security Protocol. This is an architecture defined by the TD-ISP. I'm not going to talk about the details of this architecture, because I'll be presenting this in details tomorrow, as I said. But I'll just explain the minimal part of this one for this presentation. One important entity in this picture is TSM. TSM is a T Security Manager. It's a logical entity, and it's trusted, it's a part of a TCB of the all TVMs. Okay, and then on the device side, this is a device, single device. If you look at this device, we have physical function, TDI is the device interface, TE device interface. And it has a state that's defined by the TD-ISP. Also on the device side, there is a logical entity, which is device security manager. And TSM and DSM communicate each other using secure channel. So the challenge for the trusted devices is how that communication, especially the TSM and then DSM can communicate in a secure fashion. Another question is, how TE trusts the device? And Joanne will talk about more details on those subjects. Let's see how the device attestation works in a confidential computing environment. As Joanne mentioned before, we have two challenges need to resolve. The first one is that how the TE communicates with the device to get the device information. Since the TE is known as a TVM, it runs on top of VMM. The VMM may hijack any communication between the TVM and the device. As such, we need to establish an authenticated secure session between the TVM and the device. Here is the TE device communication model. There are two types of communication channels between the TE and the device. The first one is the management channel. Usually it is a software based. You can see that in the middle of the picture, there is a big yellow arrow between TSM and DSM. The TSM and DSM may use SPDM as a communication protocol. The SPDM protocol is standardized by the DMTF organization. It stands for secure protocol and data model. You can treat the SPDM protocol to be a lightweight network TLS. It supports secure communication between two endpoint devices on one platform. By using SPDM, the host TSM can get the device certificate and the device measurement in a secure manner. The TSM can set up an authenticated secure session with the DSM. Based upon that use case, it can be either one-way authentication or mutual authentication. The SPDM protocol is a transport layer similar to the TLS. It allows application protocol using SPDM secure session. The second usage of the management channel is to negotiate the data communication. Encryption key. The keys can be transferred by using SPDM application between the TSM and DSM. In the TEIO device use case, the PSAC standardized the IDE key management protocol. The IDEKM is secured by the SPDM session. The TSM and the DSM negotiate IDE stream encryption key and set the key to the hardware for data transfer. In the TE device use case, the device driver in the TVM may negotiate the software data encryption key with the device in SPDM session. The software data encryption key can be used to encrypt or decrypt the data in the bounce buffer. And you can see that in the bottom of the picture, there's a big yellow array between the host CPU, SOC and device hardware. And that is the hardware IDE session. The third usage of the management channel is a TDI interface management. The PSAC defined a TDI SP protocol to allow the host TVM and the VMM manage the device interface. For example, the VMM may assign one or more specific device TDI to one TVM. Then the VMM need to lock the device configuration. The TVM need to send the TDI SP start interface command to allow the device perform DMA access, etc. This is shown on the top of the picture. TDI one is assigned to TVM one, while TDI two is assigned to TVM two. The drone will discuss that topic tomorrow. Once this management channel work is done, the TVM and the device can transfer the confidential data via data channel. In the TEIO device use case, the standard PSAC IDE stream can be used to protect the data communication via hardware DMA. While in the TE device use case, the data in the bounce buffer can be encrypted by using the key to negotiate in above steps. The second challenge is that how a TE trust the device. First, the TVM verify the physical device identity and the device version. The identity is usually presented as device X.59 certificate chain. The device version can be presented as the device firmware measurement or secure version number SVM. Those information is static info. The verifier should have some golden value as policy and manifest. You can pair with the data from the device with the manifest according to the policy. This step is also known as device attestation. Second, the TE need to verify the device interface information. For example, the interface capability and the configuration. Some of them is device dynamic data configured by the VMM such as an MMI address. As such, there's no golden values. The device driver need to perform some check. This figure should a typical attestation architecture. The TSM act as a tester. It use SPDM protocol to collect the device certificate chain and the measurement from the device DSM with security guarantee. The TSM only verify the integrity of the information. For example, every certificate in the certificate chain should be signed correctly by the previous cert to the self-signed root cert. And the LEAF certificate is used to verify the digital signature from the device in a secure session establishment. The measurement data is also transferred in a secure session. However, the TSM does not know the policy. As such, the TSM do not know which cert or measurement is acceptable or not. Data, TSM present the device certificate and the measurement information to the TVM as evidence for the device. Then the TVM can perform some local attestation. The TVM collect the endorsement from the endorser. For example, the device root cert. The TVM collect the expected golden value as the reference integrity manifest ring from the device manufacturer. Then the TVM use the defined policy to check the device certificate chain and the device measurement. The policy could be very strict. For example, only one specific device measurement from the device can be accepted. Such as the latest one published by the device vendor. Or the policy could be flexible. For example, the TVM accept the specific device secure version number SVN. As long as the device has this SVN, any other firmware measurement can be accepted. Or the policy could be a partial match. For example, the device may provide different measurement for code and configuration. The policy can say as long as the measurement for the code matches the device is accepted. The device measurement for the configuration can be ignored. Or in order to define the policy is out of scope of any standard as far as we know. The tenant owner can make their own decision. Besides local attestation, the TVM may support remote attestation for the device. In this case, the verifier is from remote. The TVM need to record all data such as device evidence, verification policy, ring and endorsement to the TVM measurement register and the event log. Then the TVM present those information to a remote verifier. Then the remote verifier may use its own endorsement, ring and policy to verify if the TVM is trusted. In the figure, we use the item name underscore R to indicate the data for remote verification. And that is different with the item used in local verification. Once the physical device is accepted, the TVM need to verify the device interface. The device interface information is returned via T-DISP protocol, which is a application protocol in SPDM secure session. The T-DISP can return the device interface capability as well as the configuration. The configuration is known as the device interface report. The DSM manages the T-DISP protocol on the device side. The T-DISP capability is usually a global static data. For example, what is the device address width? Which T-DISP commands are supported? Which interface report is the TDI specific dynamic data? For example, if the TDI allows the runtime device firmware update, if the PCI Express ATS or PIS is supported and enabled, if the MSRX capability message control register status is, and what is the signed MMIO range? The TVM gets those information via T-DISP protocol with the protection and the TSM. The TVM can verify it if the TDI capability is accepted, then the TVM can check the TDI report to ensure the data is correct set by the VMM, such as the MMIO range. In the last section, we will discuss the implementation. In Intel TDX, the TVM means the static guest OS. The TSM is a TDX module as a policy enforcer, and the KVM is the resource manager for all devices. And this table shows the data need to be verified by the TVM. From the high level, there are two categories of data. One is a physical device-related data which is transferred via SPDM protocol, and the other is device interface-related data which is transferred by T-DISP protocol. The device identity information is the X.59 certificate chain. It is transferred via SPDM guest certificate command. The device measurement may include the measurement of the ROM, firmware code, hardware configuration, firmware configuration, device debug state, device boot mode, version, secure version number, etc. This information is transferred via SPDM get measurement command. The device also returns the SPDM capability, for example, if the device can return a fresh measurement or static measurement. It is from the SPDM get capability. Last but not least, when VMM launched the TSM to set up the SPDM session, the VMM can indicate some session policies. For example, what if the session combination policy for the ROM time firmware update? This SPDM policy information should also be sent to the TVM for verification. The device interface capability includes the supported T-DISP command list, the device interface lock flags, the device address width, etc. This is from the T-DISP capability command. The T-DISP interface report includes multiple dynamic information. The TDI configuration capability from the device, for example, if the memory attribute is updatable, the configuration setting from the VMM, for example, if the ROM time firmware update is supported, or the ROM time setting from VMM, for example, what's the MMI range address? In Linux, there are multiple ways to verify the data. For example, the verification code could be built into the TVM directly. The verification code could be based on some policy, and the policy data could be static built in the TVM or dynamic input at runtime. For example, the SPDM root certificate, the SPDM device reference integrity manifest should be the policy data. They should be determined by the tenant user. While the T-DISP MMI range verification should be the code, and the kernel driver should check no overlap and accept MMI range to VMM. Also, the verification could happen in kernel or user space. As we discussed before, the T-DISP MMI check should be in a kernel while the device data station better be in a user space since the certificate verification or device measurement match according to the policy. Finally, we will show the device initialization flow as an example. The box without border means the existing steps, and the box with blue border means the TE device-related steps, and the box with red border means the TE-IO device-related. In which the dark green means the steps in TSM, not TVM. The first, the VMM can inject the PCI hierarchy to a guest. Once the T-SET device is found by the TVM, it goes through the PCI device filter. The tenant user is allowed to set up a forbidden device list, and those devices are not allowed. If the device is allowed, the driver can check if it is a TE-IO device. If it is, then TVM gets the device information from the TSM. For example, the SPDM certificate or measurement via SPDM protocol, the device interface report via T-DISP protocol, then the driver will perform local attestation to verify the SPDM certificate and measurement according to the policy. It also verifies the TE-DI interface report. If everything is okay, the TVM can accept this device as a TE-IO trusted device. If the device is not TE-IO device, the TVM may continue to check if the TE device, since the TVM may transfer the confidential data to the TE device, the TVM also need to perform device attestation for the device, and then accept the TE device. Last, if the device is neither a TE-IO device nor a TE device, then it is just a normal, untrusted device. The TVM should not transfer any confidential data to the device. Once the device type is determined, the driver can continue the device process. To summarize our talk, a device in a TVM can be untrusted, a TE device or a TE-IO device, and the TVM need to perform device attestation for the TE device and the TE-IO device before using, because this device needs to access the TVM confidential data. The standard body defines the SPDM protocol and the T-DISP protocol, and they can be used to manage the TE-IO device. It is important that Linux guest kernel and KVM add such infrastructure support. Tomorrow, Joan will talk the device IO in a trusted execution environment with more detail. And here is the link of the standard related to our talk, like SPDM, secure SPDM, PCI-related DOE, CMA ID, T-DISP, or some device related information. And thank you very much for your time.


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