I'm Alice King with Rackspace Legal Department. I helped with the start of the project in 2010, and I helped move the project into the foundation with a large group of people, including Eileen. Welcome, Dr. Knight. It's a small group, so feel free to move on to this side of the room if you'd like, and we can just keep it a small intimate session. My name is Eileen Evans. I'm with HP, and I was gonna give a little bit about my history before diving into the topic here, just because I think it'll put some context around the discussion today. A lot of open-source experience prior to coming to HP. I've been with HP a couple of years. I worked for a short period of time following its acquisition of Sun Microsystems, where I worked for 12 years. So at Sun, I had the opportunity to participate and work on a number of open-source projects and technologies, from Open Solaris to Java to MySQL, legal experts, to drive some of the open-source strategies that we were working on, including when we open-source Solaris, I led those efforts and drafted CDDL. When we acquired MySQL, I actually stepped out of my role for a year at the time I was leading up legal support for the hardware division, but stepped out of my role for a year and focused on integrating MySQL and the acquisition. That was an interesting experience because MySQL was developed in a number of different countries, more than 30 countries, and it had some really interesting IP issues associated with it, as well as an open-source overlay. Then when Oracle acquired Sun in 2009, the EU issued a statement of objections. And at that point, I had the opportunity and was sent over to Brussels for a couple of months and focused on helping to push that through the acquisition through. And the main things that came up during that were issues around MySQL, and again, the issues of Oracle having control over MySQL and what that would mean from an antitrust perspective. So I had the opportunity to meet with national competition authorities, members of parliament, and European commission officials and help drive that to closure. So I had a fair amount of open-source experience prior to arriving at HP and then, I'm sorry, do I need to move over? OpenStack as a project. As you know, we've heard a lot about it this week. It's a tremendously, rapidly growing open-source project. It's grown at a trajectory that I don't know if anyone else has seen in the last decade.  Companies involved with it. There are more than 6,000 members. It's really taken off at an amazing speed, which we haven't seen before. And again, it was founded by Rackspace and NASA and distributed and recruited as an open-source project in July 2010 at OSCON. For those of you who might not have that historical perspective, I'll take you back in time in just a bit. So to six weeks before the announcement, before July 10th, I'm sorry, July 19th, 2010, there was a blog post by a guy named Josh McKinty. And he was a contractor for NASA at the time. He was working on some really cool technology in the cloud space focused on compute. He released a blog six weeks prior to this in the July 2010 time. Released this blog post to talking about this great new compute offering that he has made available. And blog post was run across by someone who forwarded it on to someone at Rackspace. The folks at Rackspace took a look at this and said, wow, this sounds really interesting. You know, we're also thinking about releasing some technology that's, you know, taking a look at this, it's written in Python. It seems really similar to what we're doing, but we've created something in the storage space versus what NASA created was really in compute. And they thought, gosh, wouldn't it be interesting if we combine these two? And following that, they thought, well, let's go and meet with the folks from NASA. Now, as many of you know, the federal government, that might be easier said than done. So again, sort of like this perfect storm of everything working together. The guy that it was forwarded to over at Rackspace, Jim Curry, he was the senior vice president handling business development. So he receives the calls that's related to him and he's like, wow, this is really cool. It seems like this is a great way we can collaborate together. So just coincidence, I mean, Jim Curry's dad worked for NASA for 40 years as an engineer. So he was able to make the connections and actually make the connections within NASA, reach the appropriate folks and get that dialogue started. So again, you know, how likely is it that Jim Curry's dad worked for NASA for 40 years? So nonetheless, they were able to make those connections. So they promptly got on a plane, a week later flew out to Silicon Valley and met with the folks from NASA. So Rackspace and NASA got together and met. And they started talking and they're thinking, wow, this is really amazing. It's almost like my long lost twin. These projects are so compatible. So they got together and they thought, what's, why don't we, since they're so compatible, why don't we decide, we're gonna release this together as one project. And they came up with, this is when they came up with OpenStack. They, you know, during this meeting, they went out to dinner following the meeting, everything's going well. They went out to dinner at this Thai restaurant. And then the bill comes a couple years so I can attest to this.  Let's put it that way. It wasn't easy for, you know, Rackspace couldn't pick up the tab because the government wouldn't allow that. So they had to split this bill 20 different ways in this Thai restaurant where they don't share food. So nonetheless, they did that. But I think it was interesting. One point Jonathan Bryce was telling me about this story and his comment was, he said, gosh, this is an education of what it's like to, you know, try to drive this forward and work with the government. I'm a little concerned, you know. But nonetheless, they ventured forth and five weeks after that, the approvals of the Rackspace Legal Department, no offense, no, no, no. NASA support and you needed NASA support from the legal department to open source projects and they had used open source technologies but they hadn't participated in an open source project of this magnitude and actually started an open source project. Those are very different things. I mean, I've been in legal departments, you know, working on open source course before at the end of July 19th, 2010. So which was pretty exciting. And I think because again, it sort of shows this perfect storm of everything working together and it was just really amazing if you look at that and also to where it has grown now, just two years models and also the contribution model for the OpenStack project. This is another area which I find particularly interesting in a couple veins. You know, one, again, looking at the story of this perfect storm and working together to develop and distribute this technology, one of the interesting things and key factors here was that NASA, both NASA and Rackspace recognized that in order to really drive broad adoption of this technology, they would need to distribute it under a permissive license and provide it under a permissive license such as Apache. So that was a really recognition by both of them that this is the way that they would have to do this project. And so again, that was the piece that took quite a while for getting the approvals in place. But the other thing about Apache licensing models, if you take a look at history of licensing models and what projects have been distributed under and what kinds of licensing models, if I take a look at some of my work at Sun, for instance, when we were open sourcing various technologies and contributing to various projects, one of the key features that we oftentimes would look at is the fact that, look, if you're trying to create a project and a community, you would need to provide an obligation for those contributors and participants to do obligation for them to contribute back. Otherwise, they wouldn't do it. That was sort of the understanding and the belief, I think, if you look back a decade ago. The interesting thing here is what we're seeing with open source projects going forward. And I think Rackspace, and the open stock stuff is a great example of that. When Rackspace did it under the Apache model, I think they were taking a leap of faith that folks contribute back because there was this obligation, sort of a social obligation, a community norm obligation to contribute back to be good community citizens, which I think we didn't, what we've seen and what you could see in the slides this morning when in the presentation of George's presentation, you could really see that there was a huge amount of contributions back from the community. And it was no longer, I think the interesting thing on those slides was there was a significant shift from most of the contributions being by Rackspace versus now Rackspace has taken a much smaller piece of that pie. I think that to me speaks volumes in terms of how to create a project and you can create a project and have contributions back and have that social obligation to contribute back without a forced contractual obligation to do so, which I think is fascinating. The other thing that I think is interesting here is the contribution model. And this one is one where I received a lot of questions both internally and from other companies as and initially when HP had signed the contributions really revolved around taking a step back. The questions were basically along the lines of we could perfect the contributor agreement if we just make some slight tweaks to the wording. We could make it better. And I think what Alice shared with me yesterday, she said there were a number of companies who also thought they could make slight tweaks and make it a whole lot better. But what we clearly in the sense that the contribution model, the licensing model, companies, individuals, developers feel comfortable with these. And they've been working for many, many years. So they clearly are good enough. So let's, we have to accept what's good enough and go with it and take a leap of faith that the folks in the community are going to be sort of a reliance upon that instead of saying we need to get the legal terms airtight. So I think that was another interesting, I think, piece of this puzzle as well is that again, huge kudos to Alice when we were working with her on this because again, she was very clear about the fact that no, there wasn't quite a quagmire to open that up because you can see if you change something that everybody else is gonna have some. So we try to stay right within even where there are questions about what it meant. We pointed back to the Apache Foundation FAQ, if you remember to clarify the scope of the license. So I think the reason the Apache license works is that people do now understand they have an obligation to contribute. Just a lot of insecurity with IP lawyers, they have to promise to commit something that hasn't been created yet. They can't do that, they can't let go. They're happy to give it back once they know what it is. So the Apache license removes any insecurity that somebody's gonna think of something wonderful and they're not gonna have a chance to look at it before it's already licensed, basically. So we did stick right within the Apache intellectual property model that we did not stay within the Apache sort of way of doing. So I think most startup open source projects you think of developers kind of organizing meetups and starting the mailing lists in their spare time at night and they're not particularly great at that kind of thing but we actually did it much differently. So we had professional staff, full-time paid positions that are business development, media relations, marketing. And this actually I think drove adoption of the project at least as much as the Apache licensing and just the fact that people were, you know, it was an idea whose time had come. I think if not for these kind of efforts we wouldn't be where we are today. So in the space of a year, we, again, we launched in July 2010. By the summer of July 2011 it was pretty clear that the community was large enough, stable enough, there were enough stable big players like HP involved that were committed that could actually take over the management of the, I think also there was a lot of unease about Rackspace being the sole manager, like if something happened to Rackspace, you know, a change of control, what would happen to the project. And I think also people just wanted clear, you know, legally binding commitment to yes, this is your voice in this community. If you participate, here's how you'll be heard. You don't have to just kind of trust that everybody's going to take your input and get along. So I made the decision to move to the foundation and Lou Mormon announced that at the Boston Summit. And I don't know if you remember, I think that after that we, there was a kind of a town hall meeting and there were about twice as many people in there as in here and there were about 500 ideas on how this should look. Yes. There were four. Very scary. So it was a very great idea that as the lawyer, you know, I'm thinking, how are we gonna do this? So two things kind of start working in parallel. First, there was lots of conversations going on. I think it took from October to April for it to kind of gel. But the two kind of thought trends that are going on is what is the foundation supposed to be doing? What is the role in this? And the mission of the project is still the mission of the project, right? The mission of the foundation is to support the mission of the project. To promote, empower, protect, sort of a steward, I think like a park ranger, it's my analogy.  So who's, how are we gonna organize people to do the things that are getting done now? So there was an existing technical governance contribution model, and then Rackspace was doing the business end of things. So how are we gonna move these to an end? So some of the things that I talked about during this months and months of conversation, Eileen was in a lot of conversations in groups, bilateral, just lots of talking and blogging, but we can take turns on these I guess. The thing is that it's not a blank slate. So there are a lot of things that people wanted to look at. Like for instance, maybe this was an opportunity to consider whether the Apache license was the right license. Should we switch to GPL somehow? Was the technical governance model actually right or should we kind of radically modify that? Why not, you know, why form yet another open stack or another open source foundation?  Tons of different interests. A lot of concern that all these disparate interests are not pulled together to achieve a final. I think one interesting thing here is what we kind of recognized is early on there were a lot of things that worked exceedingly well within the existing framework, such as I think one of the big key things that worked exceedingly well was really the technical meritocracy and the way the project was run from a technical perspective. In the sense that the reason it was taking off at the rate it was was largely because of the technology and just a recognition around that. And so again, what we looked at as a very fundamental level was, you know, if it's not broken, don't fix it. So in other words, we had, you know, the technical piece of this was working exceedingly well. We had, you know, this project policy board which really governed the direction of the project and it was run autocracy in the sense that, and it's still run that way today, but it's run in the sense that the folks who are contributing from a code perspective, those are the ones who can vote for the ones who are on the project policy board. It's the same with the tech. It became clear that the best way to move this forward was not to change that at all, to the extent we could possibly avoid it, but just to figure out how to move the rat space role. So when you're trying to think about how do you do that? These are the issues, like who defines who's open stack? Is that the technical community? Is it this business and, you know, to manage the business end of things? How do you balance between the two of them? A lot of fear that will sort of be taken over by money to interest and be corrupted and whoever wrote the biggest check would gain control of the direction of the project, which, I mean, the huge value, if you try to measure the value, it's the platform that's being built. And so there's no way of writing a check before half a million dollars begins to give you a way to control, you know, in order to make sure that everybody felt good that it wasn't pay to play and be driven by, because, again, this was between October, 2011, and basically the framework acknowledgement was signed in April, 2012. So it was a six-month period. And I think what was interesting during the six-month period was the fact that, you know, there were a lot of really meaty issues being discussed on the mailing list. Jonathan Brice and Marc Collier were out doing public speaking with a number of folks. They were doing, you know, WebExes. They were doing all kinds of ways to reach out and talk about what they were doing and the way in which they were trying to do it and their ideas, and they were incorporating all kinds of other ideas. So during this period of time, they were taking input from this larger community and also hearing all of these ideas. So again, I think there was initially a little bit of flak, because it was sort of an expectation, I think, right after that announcement that, boom, we get a foundation done right away. But instead, I mean, it was, I think it was November of 2011, which is like a month later, there was sort of to get some, you know, stuff on the mailing list of, well, why haven't we, you know, moved forward yet? Why isn't it, you know, why don't we have drafts yet? Things like that. How it was, it allowed this period of time where folks could talk and communicate and hear ideas and share ideas. And it really was a very open and collaborative process during that six-month period, which I think was critical and I think will help drive and did help drive that the way it was ultimately established as a foundation. Right, I mean, there was a lot of concern that we would make a mistake and we'd slow down the momentum by starting an acrimonious conversation or just get bogged down in the details. And so that was all worked out. Finally, before we sat down to wrote a short two-page summary of the high points and all the member companies that were committed to becoming platinum members or gold members signed this framework and they said, yes, these are the issues that we agree on, we're not gonna revisit these as part of the drafting process. That's where we established the three classes of members. So there were gonna be eight platinum level members and then there would be the gold members that would enable entry by smaller companies because the funding was based on a percentage of revenue with a cap and a floor. And then the individual member class that would get the entire community involved in the governance on this side of the. And then so each of those three was gonna have equal representation on this board, which means we're gonna have a huge board. But I think that's actually a kind of a unique feature here as well is the fact that the composition of the board includes those three equal classes of membership. And that's quite unique, I think, in an open source project. And I think that also fundamentally was driving the key things that we wanted to drive forward, mainly the technical meritocracy, driving this in a very open and collaborative way. So we all agreed on the framework. These are the companies that signed up and we started down the path of the real legwork. There were, again, two parallel efforts going on. So we asked that each platinum committer, a .1 lawyer, and that the gold committer's at .2, or right, to be a legal drafting committee and really write the whole, at the same time, the business leaders started organizing and meeting regularly. And Eileen was involved in both of those. Yeah, I did have the opportunity to be involved in both of those, which was really fascinating because I think, and part of our rationale up front was to create two separate sort of parallel tracks. You have the legal committee and the legal drafting piece, just following a lot of the legal issues associated with, again, going through the nuts and bolts, the bylaws, limitations of liability, typical indemnification, legal issues you encounter. And part of the thought process for separating those two tracks was the idea that if we keep those separate, we will have, the lawyers will have a forum in which to have these discussions about indemnification and limitations of liability and these legal issues that lawyers, quite frankly, want to have that dialogue about. To be honest, I mean, sometimes when I've had those discussions in front of clients, it tends to raise alarm levels, right? They tend to get a little more concerned if you're talking, well, I'm concerned about 10 million versus 20 million versus, I mean, so those kinds of things set clients off, whereas if you're doing that and you're just having that dialogue, realizing you're working through the, so I think that was actually very helpful. At the same time, we had a parallel track going with the business leaders. So I was fortunate enough to be able to participate in both of those, which was really, for me, it was a fun and interesting experience because at the time, within HP, I was in a rotation to a business group, so I had a legal business role within HP at that time. So I was operating, and then I have since participated on the board of directors and I'm representing HP there. So it was really interesting though, the legal committee versus the business discussion. In the business discussion, again, we'd have these very open, robust discussions, but I think part of it helped in the sense that we agreed early on we'd have only one representative from each company. I think that helped significantly. I think early on there was representation from each company, but we realized that would be way too large given that there were almost 20 companies involved at that point. So I think that smaller group helped, and I think the working, the other nice thing is, as we started to work through issues, we started to develop relationships. We insisted that the meetings be in person. Again, recognizing that we needed to develop relationships, we were gonna start working together and continue to work together in the future. I think that was enormously helpful. Grapple some pretty difficult issues up front. I think the framework acknowledgement letter, which you talked about earlier with that two-page document, actually helped significantly as well, because what happened is again, some of those squirrely issues around board representation, around technical committee roles, those things were decided early on, which helped because we were able to say, well, that actually has dealt with in the framework acknowledgement. We've already agreed on that. Let's not revisit that, and those were some pretty tough issues that we dealt with. Right, so the framework set up the member structure, but it also, we said, it's going to be the Apache two-front license. We're going to have, we're funding to keep the momentum on the business side going. We're gonna decide what projects come in and are part of it, the release or get to bear the brand, the trademark, and so that ended up, that was a difficult one to solve, but we ended up dividing, balancing powers on that, so that the technical committee can make a recommendation that can incubate and then they can make a recommendation for promotion. The board has to approve, but the board can't act unilaterally or on its own initiative has to get a recommendation from the technical committee to act. So that was another point that we, so nitty gritty challenges we face is Delaware law doesn't necessarily support this concept of an independent technical committee. Delaware law assumes that everybody reports to the board, answers to the board, one of our basic principles. So it was really tough within the framework of Delaware law. Radcliffe joined us, I guess, for a couple of rounds of conversations. Radcliffe brought us. DLA Piper and helped us draft the bylaws, and it was really helpful because what we did is at that point is brought in independent counsel who was very familiar with Delaware law because again, if we look at the composition of the drafting committee, most of us were not corporate lawyers, instead most of us were open source or IP or licensing lawyers. So it was actually helpful to bring someone in who had that corporate experience and experience specifically with Delaware law. And also the other nice thing is Mark Radcliffe has a significant amount of experience with open source. So it was actually a really good, some of the other things we grappled with were whether we wanted to try to solve patent licensing issues within the scope of the intellectual property policy or whether we set that off to later. So basically we concluded that we're not a standards body. If we become one, it'll be by amending the bylaws and that we'll have to adopt a policy. So we're working on that now. I think it's a better conversation to have once the foundation was formed and there's a more legitimate sort of group of a way to have that conversation and get a result that it was no, there was maybe an acknowledgement that members might have other affiliations and that things might take shape even outside of this forum, but it was just not, there was nothing specific like that. It was just left for later. I guess more on the business side. There wasn't representation on the drafting committee, but in the business leaders, I don't, I think there was. Do you want to speak to that? You're the chairman of the board. I can chat and then Alan can, Alan's the chairman of the board as well so we work pretty closely together. As far as currently what we're looking at is a recognition that yes, from an international perspective, OpenStack is extremely important on a global basis. And I think there's a strong recognition among the board of that. And that's a big piece of where we're moving forward. And I'll also say we could internationalize the licensing and the other documents and the membership agreements. If we needed to, if we would entire, we would have that flexibility to manage international schemes in different countries. There's three different member classes. You have to figure out how the elections are gonna get held, but each one and the timing and the board terms, tedious work, the method of voting. So initially we had thought, well the board could be elected the same way that the technical community elects. They're representatives using the condorsed voting method. Turns out that we could ever discover in the context of a Delaware corporation so people were more traditional voting model, which created some extra work and discussion. We did elect the first board trying to find a service that could manage to Delaware law. A lot of conversations about how open the individual membership should be. Should it be open to anybody who showed up and wanted to join or should there be more stringent requirement? Inclusive, with anti-abuse things like saying individuals serve on the board that were working for the same, and the openness in the elections and the results and the voting would help prevent some of the abuses that might come about because you had this inclusive open of the discussion as well. Just making sure, because again we wanted to have broad diversity on the board and what we recognized really on is if we allowed more than two directors on the board to be from the same affiliated company, doing is basically negating what we were trying to accomplish at a high level. So we wanted to make sure we had that intact and that was a very big piece of it. The other piece of it was making sure that the balance of the board, because there was some discussion about what does that mean, gold membership versus platinum membership, do they get different rights? And what we decided as a board was, no, we don't want to have different rights, so there should be no different. If you're serving on the board, you're serving on the board and the board is one entity. We're not gonna have these different constituencies on the board that make up these different groups of classes. It was mainly because of monetary concerns in the sense that the first two were because recognizing that if we put the stakes too high, because there was some initial complaints on the, I think initially there was a discussion about what does it take, because again we recognized we needed funding to actually make this thing successful, but if we had only one class, then what it would do would be the smaller companies and things like that who couldn't maybe afford to, that that would be unfair to them. So what we did is tried to create something where and then again what we realized is that even if smaller companies are contributing less, they still have the equal, they're equal director on the board as well. We're all created as one board and one entity and that was one of the fundamental principles too that we, so we did, we finally had all these conversations, I think we went through six drafts, I don't know how many meetings the business leaders had and we finally did arrive like July, the middle of July at a final set that everybody was willing to sign off on and no further comments were made, so we published them and we set a ratification threshold, if X platinum level people committed an X gold and I think it was 200 individual members indicated they would sign on to this scheme that we'd consider ratified and we're at space with project assets to the foundation, so that happened very quickly. So that was, again the odds were there, so here's my homegrown pictures here, but there's Simon signing his membership agreement, the election, the board first sat August 28th, August 28th, and then very shortly after that, it's for agreement and there's Jim Coray after, there's our trademark specialist, he did a ton of work over the years to manage all these things, so these are lessons learned I got gone through and since we're a couple minutes over, we'll go through this fairly quickly, but again, I think that open dialogue period was incredibly helpful in 11 until April of 2012, that six month time period really helped us to work through some nitty gritty issues. The other thing that I think has allowed us to do, and this is something that I wasn't kind of cognizant of at the time, but it also allowed us to work and start working together very closely, so the business leaders, the folks on the business leaders and who participated at the business leader level, almost every company appointed the person who participated at that level as their representative on the board. That was extremely helpful because at our first board meeting on August 28th, it went really smoothly and to be very honest, I don't think it would have gone so smoothly and we would have been able to go through so many issues if we hadn't spent that time together in person working through really tough issues during a very short period of time, so again, I think that was a great benefit which I didn't fully appreciate at the time. You know, both Allison and I recognized early on as we've both been doing legal stuff for a long time and recognizing if you get 20 lawyers in a room, it's gonna take an awful long time to do something because we get a smaller group, much more efficient, so we recognized that early on and figured out a way to work together and kind of a cadence for working following some of these squirrely legal issues and then having the business leaders really get two groups is during every business leader meeting, we would have at least one hour where we would invite the legal folks in and kind of talk to them about what we were discussing during the meeting, just making sure that we were all aligned to at least communicate across, which is helpful. We got a little stuck sometimes in the drafting committee. The next thing for the foundation, what's coming up next? We need to address, or patent risk, we need to flesh out our intellectual property policy. We have Keith Burke out here from the OIN who's gonna speak at the next session, I don't know what our timing is, but in about 10 minutes to talk about the experience in the Linux community with some of those issues so if you can state. Thank you. Oh, great. Questions? OpenStack. Raxley said, formed an entity called OpenStack LLC to hold the assets that entity transferred the trademarks and other things. Period, as we go through the wind down process just in case there are any lingering assets or things that need to be transferred. Yes, if OpenStack LLC still exists. Yeah. Sorry, we should have repeated that. Sorry, Alan.


The secretions of the pangal in the yogic terminology is referred to as Amruta because once it begins in secretion, everything about you becomes sweet and beautiful. It is not the sexuality which limits it but it's the excessive identity with the physicality which limits it.  If you try to obliterate it, you will become even more perverted in your mind. A ninety-two year old man went to his doctor for a full miracle checkup. The doctor checked him up and he said, hey old boy, for your age you're doing great, everything is just fine with you. But the man asked, but doctor, what about my sex life? So the doctor asked, thinking about it or dreaming about it? The more you try not to think about something, the more you will think about it. This is the nature of the mind. So there are many reasons why one indulges in sex. For some it is just pleasure, for some it is a way of building this bond and companionship. Otherwise people feel they are going away from each other. They may be just fine, but a lot of people it is psyched in their mind that if they are not sexually involved, they are actually moving away. Not true? You can be very close to somebody and need not be involved in any physical manner, isn't it? But societies are psyching, especially in this part of the world, people are hugely psyched. If there is no sexuality, you don't really have a relationship. In fact, the word relationship, it's only… it took me some time to understand that here if you say a relationship, you are supposed to understand its sex-based relationship. Nothing else is a relationship. If I can have a very strong relationship with you and not be concerned about your body, isn't it? I may not be drawn to your body in any way, but I can have a very powerful relationship with you. But all those possibilities are completely discounted. A relationship means you must be in some way physically involved, or man, woman, or man, man, woman, woman, whatever you like. Essentially it's body-based. What kind of body is individual choices, but essentially it is body-based. This has happened because somewhere our identification with the body has gone beyond normal levels of identity. It is excessive identification with the body. That is why body-based relationships have become the crux of the society. One who is too identified with your physical body naturally is sex-driven, because that is the highest thing that he knows. There are ways we can make you find something which is far bigger than this. Once you taste something better, I don't have to tell you give this up or give that up. It'll anyway fall off, isn't it? There are ways to do certain sadhana, which is more intense than sexuality, which is more ecstatic than sexuality. On one level, if you look at it, it's all dimensions of yoga, one where the other are ultimately trying to activate the pineal.  It creates a whole inner pleasure, which makes all the outer pleasures look like kindergarten stuff. That's the reason yogis are just sitting with eyes closed, not because they're against pleasure. They're against small pleasures, that's all. So the Shambhavi, one thing that's happening is it stimulates the pineal secretion in a big way, which leaves you drenched in a certain level of sweetness throughout the day. It just leaves you in a certain state of ecstasy and blissfulness, because the pineal gland is active. This is one aspect of your physiology, which is very close to your consciousness. Rest of the physiology is about survival, but pineal gland is one aspect of your physiology, which is very, very close to transcending the physical. In the yogic traditions, this sweetness is referred to as amruta or the ambrosia or the elixir of life. One drop, if it comes into the system suddenly the whole system just cools down, the whole system is lubricated, functions at ease, the desperation in the system is gone, the desperation in the mind is gone. So ambrosia means you find your own pleasure. If you're extremely joyful within yourself, you find the amruta within yourself. You're extremely, you're an extreme state of pleasantness. Now being with people, not anymore about squeezing pleasure out of them, being with people is just out of… just being with them. Until now you're truly capable of love, otherwise it is just an open sesme trick. I love you, means whether I believe you or not for that moment they make themselves believe you because they're also in need of something, you're also in need of something, isn't it? It's a… it's like the, you know, Halibaba under forty, open sesme means it opens. This is just like I love you means many things open up. Now by doing this, I'm not saying it's right or wrong, that's the way people conduct their life, there's nothing to it, but by doing this the true possibility of knowing an intense sense of love within you is lost.  This is a con job, it's called a love affair, but it's a con job. But if you are extremely ecstatic by yourself when you're being with people, it's about sharing your ecstasy. It is about if they're not touched by it somehow to touch them with it rather than seeing what you can squeeze out of them. The whole fundamentals of your life will change, yes and no in a sense. It is not the sexuality which limits it, but it's the excessive identity with the physicality which limits it. So it is not sexuality per se which becomes the barrier, but the attachment it creates to the physicality which definitely becomes the barrier. This question is coming from certain amount of bits and pieces, the gossip that you have heard about how you could assimilate your own semen and raise it up to your higher possibility. Yes it is true, at the same time it is not because of abstinence that one does it, it is because of internalizing your energies that you do it. It is not simply that somebody is abstaining from sex and suddenly these energies are all organized and it's going up, it's not true. If your energies get organized and begin to move up, the need for sexuality may evaporate for you, but it doesn't leave you incapable. It doesn't leave you impotent, but the need is gone. It is just no more a compulsive thing and it is not just this one thing, all compulsiveness is lost. Essentially, most of the sexuality that's happening on the planet is happening because of a certain compulsiveness, isn't it? It's a compulsive drive. When you become conscious, when all compulsiveness disappears, this also disappears. It is just that because people are so body oriented, they are always thinking spirituality versus sexuality, they are not connected. They are not connected, one is of the body, another is of a different dimension. It is simply because people are so… because religions of the world, moral schools and the ethical schools have been always speaking against it, it has become such a big issue in people's minds, they think the only way to know something beyond is you must be away from this because somewhere you're not able to accept the simple biology of a human being, which is the tragedy that you cannot accept the simple biology. You either have to celebrate it or you have to push it down the drain, both are not needed. You can look at it for the limitation that it is and for the possibility that it is. So if because of the impurity of sex, your spirituality is going to get disturbed, I want you to know that your very birth is impure. When you come from such an impure birth, where is the possibility for you? There is no possibility for you. Only if you fell from somewhere else, if the stoke dropped you, there is some possibility of you becoming spiritual.  A six-year-old girl came home one day from school and asked mama, how was I born? And the mother was embarrassed.  A stoke dropped me too, mama, how is grandmama born? A stoke dropped her too. Then the girl became serious and she went down and sat down and started writing something in her homework. And the mother was feeling uncomfortable, she finished her cooking and then the girl had finished her homework and left the book there, she went and read. So the essay was about the family tree. So the girl had written, for three generations in my family, nobody had a natural birth. So because of observed ideas, either we exaggerated something or we tried to unnecessarily play it down. It has a certain role in your life.  If you try to obliterate it, you will become even more perverted in your mind. After all, now I'm speaking, this is a kind of energy. You are looking at me, this is a kind of energy. You're listening to me, this is a kind of energy. These are different expressions of the same life energy, isn't it? Now sexuality is also another expression of the same energy.    Now the next month is going to be trouble, isn't it?  Yes?  This is also the same thing. How much of it, first of all do you need it or are you doing it because of socially your sight? If there is a need, if I ask you to stop it, you will become perverted because it will all happen in your head. If somebody is telling you you have to do it, if you don't do it, you're not normal, another kind of perversion will come, both are not needed. After all you are not going after a man or woman, you are going after a certain level of pleasantness. So once you experience a certain level of pleasantness, wouldn't you like to dig deeper into this because whatever pleasantness happened, maybe you use the other person, but the pleasantness happened within you, right? So suppose anyway the pleasantness is happening within you, the other person is just a key to open this, wouldn't you like to have the key in your own hands, yes?  You don't need anybody, no, see, anything, anything in your life, either for pleasure, money, love, this, that, it doesn't matter what, for whatever, the moment you become dependent on another person, nobody on this planet is truly reliable, isn't it? I keep hearing these complaints all over. Some people, generally women, keep complaining, their husbands are excessively physical. Some women constantly complaining, he doesn't lay a finger upon me. Whatever happens, it's a problem because it will never happen exactly the way you want it. As long as another person is involved, nothing will ever happen hundred percent the way you want it, isn't it so? Yes or no? It never will. It doesn't matter if you get married to your god, it still won't happen. As long as your way of being, your sense of pleasure and joy is dependent on other person, you will always have a complaint. Doesn't matter how wonderful the other person is. So in this context, people might have talked about celibacy because they said, take some time off, because to extract pleasure out of somebody, you have to play any number of tricks. It doesn't happen simply. This is called as courting. Once you go to the court, the judgment day will come. It takes enormous amount of time, effort, energy and all kinds of other things, frustrations, jealousies, problems, everything attached to it. So somebody said, take time off from those things and see if this could be internally generated and then being with people will become more out of your love than out of your need, which is definitely a better way to be with people, isn't it? It is definitely a better way of honoring another human being, isn't it so? Give this a little more attention. It's a paying attention to that one and that one and that one. Give this one a little more attention. It will produce much more pleasure than any other one can produce for you.


Hello and welcome to ongoing town meeting day coverage here at town meeting television We're bringing you candidates budgets and ballot information in advance of March 7th When you will go out and vote on all of those local issues And in Winooski, maybe help me out. Is Winooski mailing? Ballots to Residents no or not not. So if you want to vote in Winooski, and we're here today with Brynn Oakleaf and Charles judge Who are candidates for the two seats? And they're the Winooski City Council seats. I assume it's a two-year and a three-year seat. Is that correct? So both are two both are two-year seats. Great So if you want to vote in the upcoming election in Winooski, you will go either go to your local polling place or you can request a ballot in advance from your city clerk Welcome Brynn and Charles and we have Charles Zooming in or you know Virtualizing in from the sphere and we have Brynn here with us. So welcome. Thank you for joining us. Thank you I'm gonna start out with Little some questions Opening statement from each of you and if you're watching from home Feel free to call<PHONE_NUMBER> with your calls for these candidates and You know again, you're uncontested. You're not running against each other But if you will start with Charles on line if we can and let's hear from you Why you're running and what will be different for Winooski if you are elected? Hi, my name is Charlie judge I've been a Vermont resident for about seven years and I've been Winooski for four I Made the decision to run proceeding council because I feel that having someone who ranks in Winooski and identifies as a public worker will be essential to bring about the changes that Many of the residents have said they'd like to see majority of the Winooski residents are also renters Service operators And if elected, I'd say please my turn to support the progressive ideas and also simple and Yeah, it's my goal to work with the current city staff and see a chance to address housing and I Thanks Charles Charles, you might want it like we can get you closer to your microphone for the For the remainder of the questions. I'm hearing you a little Okay, I can speak up Excellent all right super Yeah, that's what my mother said speaking round the tones Bryn, welcome. And can you tell us why you're running for sure? Thank you. Well, I want to just thank Thank you and thank the voters of Winooski for being here. I'm running for a second term on the Winooski City Council I was first elected in 2021 so I and at the time I was a right-hand candidate And I this time will be on the ballot. So it feels very exciting I I for me. I really think that there are a number of initiatives facing the city We're in a time of rapid growth. We have Main Street revitalization. We're looking at using our federal ARPA dollars our COVID relief funds We have a number of equity initiatives underway And as well as economic vitality Opportunities so to me I I really am excited to be part of this growth and to ensure that some of our core values are Stay Stay top of mind as we go through this growth ensure that we're not losing our sense of community and things that we love about Winooski so much and in that collective community and pride and Culture so for me. I am very happy to be up for a second term Those are things I'm excited about most So the next question has to do with the budget and this is it's got two parts to this So we might take a little longer on this Will you be supporting the Winooski City budget of nine point two million? That's a six percent increase from last year's budget and that Gives us a tax rate increase of five point nine percent So you could talk to that and then do you support the school budget of twenty five point four million up? 20% from last year at an estimated tax increase of nine point six six percent So let us start with you Brad. Okay. Yeah, I voted to move this budget forward to the ballot So I I have approved it from the council side of things. I will be voting for it I think it's been a challenging year to ensure that The impact of taxpayers is as low as we can make it We're using some of the one-time COVID relief funds to reduce the cat tax rate from nearly 12% to Just oh just over 5% That's actually lower than the rate of inflation right now, which is 6.5 percent. I Think we had to make a lot of difficult decisions to Reduce some of our expenses while retaining core services that the community needs and values So I certainly will be voting for this Maybe just say a little like what's one of the core services that you think of that you're like Yeah, yeah sure Honestly, our community services department provide a great deal of programming to the community And that was really important to us to ensure that we retain that in this next fiscal year And part of that is having low no-cost access to those programs So that's something that meant a lot to to to my to me and to the remainder of the city council when moving that forward School budget and on the school budget I think they also worked really hard to ensure that the impact to taxpayers Is low and using one-time funds to bring it down from 20% increase to To the 9% that they're proposing I think the school is a heartbeat of our city so and We know full well that The the needs of our students are great. So yes, I'll be voting for that great and not to put you on the spot Do you happen to know the combined? impact on taxpayers at the school and the So the impact for a $225,000 home for the city tax rate increase is about $134 a year 134-136 I because it differs so much with the Homestead and education Applications, I can't say what combined that that would be yeah And that's still an estimated in tax rate increase correct That's what's moving forward to the ballot. Yeah, okay great Charles How about you the budget? Do you support the Winooski City budget of 9.2 million a 6% increase from last year With a tax rate increase of 5.9% and do you support the school budget of twenty five point four million up? 20% from last year at an estimated tax increase of 9.66 I do support the budget I want to let the brain and her sentiments about how to train us and that it's just It's a tough time for me in general And I think that Try to I The city has stated leadership across the board that they want to work at leading their access and those things have to be paid for. And I do think that's important to our schools, our communities, and our social media businesses. And we have to get to the control of the folks and get them across the board. So I do understand that teachers should go down and bring them up in the next couple of years. That is one of the goals at the state level as far as I've been informed. And hopefully seeing the effects of the tax increase will kind of make it clear to the standard that this kid will offer some of what he can do. Great. Thanks, Charles. I'll just briefly, Charles, do you have a favorite? Do you have something that really stands out? A core service that stands out to you from the city budget? Not on the top of my head. I recognize that I've got quite a learning curve before me. Maybe this is the first time I've ever run an attempt to be many official guys to be part of politics, traditionally or not to this role. But I'm looking forward to hearing about the things that he offered in that regard. Great. Thanks. Ballot items. So Winooski has two other items on the ballot. Article three that allows the city to accept funds from sources other than taxes. And article four that would give the city council the power to provide by ordinance protections for residential tenants from eviction without just cause. Tell us your thoughts on these and why you will or will not be supporting them in March. And we're going to start with you, Charles. I support both measures. I think part of three and four are the four late in a way. They are both focused on solving the housing problem in Winooski. Being able to have the revenue streams should be similar to tax burden on our residents.  It's a statewide issue. And I think just creating stability for people to fight some of the problems that come up. Some of the problems that come up. And some of the problems that happen in our community. And I just think that having people particularly new americans, like GTS, giving them that extra C-sign, it feels like a strong cause of death. Thanks so much, Bryn. Same question. Yeah, same question. So article three is standard on our ballot. It basically allows the city to accept funds from state and federal government. So definitely we'll be supporting that. It's critical to our budget that we accept funds from those outside sources. So article four. Can you just tell me why does Winooski have that? I haven't seen that on other ballots. Do you know why? You know, that's a really great question. I'm not sure if that's a holdover. I know that that's pretty standard for the city. So I would have to look into it. But it's a great question. That's fine. Article four. Yeah, so article four. I do support this article. It is a voter-back petition. I think that there's a bill proposed at the state level, H-301, that I would love to see adopted at the state level. I think at the core it's trying to prohibit bad actors. And we know especially in Chinden County that there are landlords that own properties in multiple municipalities in the area. So I don't see why there should be different standards held to these property owners depending on what municipality they're in. So I think it really is important to have that standard. And you know the rental population, it moves from municipality to municipality. So having expectations of protections in one municipality and then to lose them in another doesn't have the consistency of protection. So I do think hopefully the legislators will see a move from the municipal level since there are a number of ballot items in the state where this is coming up, that statewide law is needed and is of the best interest to our renters. So and really quickly, so just cause eviction and there's a ballot item in Essex as well. And Winooski, you say other folks. What does that mean? So I think rights and democracy has been spearheading the effort statewide, getting as many municipalities as possible to look at a charter change. And I think at the core of it is trying to move some legislation at the state level. But it would be good to have them in for an interview I'm sure. That goes right into the question of Vermont legislative initiatives. The Vermont legislative season is underway. What are some important initiatives to the community of Winooski that you will be tracking and supporting as part of your work as a city council member? And we're going to start back with you, Brent. Sure, great.  So I think S100 is the ominous housing legislation that will further efforts not statewide again, something that we're already doing in Winooski is increasing housing density and encouraging three plus bedroom homes as well as furthering some affordable housing elements. So definitely keeping an eye on that. Additional housing as a Vermont Housing Improvement Program or H137. And that's to help increase properties that have changing an existing space into an auxiliary dwelling unit or an ADU. The mother-in-law apartment. Essentially, yes, you got it. And providing incentives for property owners that want to modify that space with a requirement that just has to maintain affordability for five years. So I'm very excited to see both of those pieces of legislation moving in. I think other things of interest are S60 are the local options tax. Winooski doesn't have, in order to increase our own local options tax, we need to go through the charter change process. So I think seeing that come up in the session now is of great interest to us. Additional, a couple of the third additional ones. S5, the Affordable Heat Act. I think it furthers the Global Warming Solutions Act that was adopted in 2020. And it really looks at the affordable component of that, which really will be of most interest to our residents. Great. All right. And you have the support of your reps on those so far? I believe, yeah, I believe so, yep. Charles, how about you? Legislative initiatives that you'll be tracking as part of your role in the city council? I feel like I sound like a bit of a broken record, but just as a fiction is, you know, really what I'm the most aware of and the most well-read on as far as statewide issues. I really, that's kind of the drum that I'm meeting on at the moment. And I think that that's an area that I need to improve in is being aware of what's happening, sort of upstream in a policy and legislation in the state. I think that being better aware of the first in what is going on will help make better decisions in the city council, I'm sure. And I think that the brandings of all of the knowledge that I've had, typically to significant amounts of that kind of stuff, and I would be relying on her a lot and I would like to sort of guide through a lot of some of your issues and broad changes. Great, thanks. Housing, I think I know where you're going to go on this, Charles, but is does housing, does Winooski have a housing crisis? What do you see as the nature of housing in Winooski and how to meet the need for safe and affordable housing for residents, students, and visitors? And so when we talk about the nature of housing you might talk about, is it heavy on the rental? Is it heavy on single family? Is it heavy on single bedroom units? Like talk to me about what does Winooski housing look like? I only heard about a third of what you just spoke. Yeah, does Winooski have a housing crisis? And what do you see as the nature of housing in Winooski? What is the makeup of housing look like? How do we meet the need for safe and affordable housing for residents, students, and visitors? Adopting form-based code is definitely helped and I think that's the way forward. I don't know if I would define Winooski as experiencing as a crisis, but that would also be reflected on my experience as a renter. I'm sure there are a lot of things in the housing crisis. I think that by continuing to invest in those projects that create to the potential opportunities that offer assisted rent units, like CCT, housing, authority, those kind of partnerships can be very effective, but we also need to keep in mind just what the market rate rent is at. And there's no those two. There's not a lot of affordable housing in Winooski, and I really like to use my position when I like to see CCT happen since I know it. Make sure that we're focusing on that, and I think it's for people that are already in the previous community, about how you can get into the graphics there, that I think don't make as much money in the new season as the $206,000 that maybe taking some addressing that I think has been really parallel to the next couple of years. And yeah, I can see how some people define this crisis. But I think that the worst can be avoided and that we're not in the area yet. Thanks so much, and Bryn, to you the same question about housing in Winooski. Sure, thanks. I think this is one of our priorities with the City Council is improving the number of homes that are available, looking at affordable homes, as well as market rate homes, as well as homes that are three-bedroom or larger. Improving density, so City Council has already worked on improving housing density through our ordinances, incentivizing three-bedroom or greater, looking at parking minimums to help, again, incentivize more affordable homes with developers. Just this past year, we've approved the Housing Trust Fund and approved our first application for the Housing Trust Fund. So that's a significant amount of work that has come through Councillor Duncan, who will be stepping out of his seat at the end of this term. Very excited about that. And I think all of that just helps to come together to achieve some of these goals of improving the accessibility to affordable housing, to market rate housing, to ensuring that there is competition. So the vacancy rate, I think, is below half a percent right now, and I think it's healthier. A healthier market is, I think, in the two to three percent range for vacancy, or even more, or even five percent. So having that competition also gives renters a buyer's choice that they don't have right now. Speaking to the Champlain Housing Trust, we just had the ribbon-cutting ceremony, for lack of another word, just opening Butternut Grove, 20 units of perpetually affordable housing off Malletts Bay this past year. So there's quite a bit of work that is happening, and there continues to be a lot of work that's happening. And I'm really excited to, you know, take another term and counsel to see more of those efforts move forward. Great. Let's do a quick round on the love of Winooski, so we can get to the other questions that are on this. Tell us what you care about, why you want to work as a city counselor for the community of Winooski. Really, what's your favorite spot in Winooski, and why do you live there? So I've been in Winooski, well, I've been in Vermont since 2009, and I've spent the majority, you know, probably 12 years, 10, 12 years of that time in Winooski itself, leaving briefly and returning. So I started as a renter and loved it enough to, I've become a homeowner. It's a place where I feel like I see my neighbors and friends with the city staff. And I really appreciate the sense of community. For being a city, it's the size just makes it feel more like a town in many ways, where you just know your neighbors. And some of my favorite places are Landry. I think we've made improvements to the tennis court so we can play pickleball there now. So I'll admit that I take advantage of that with my friends quite a bit. And the river walk, I think it's just beautiful space down there. It's very tranquil and amazing attraction for our city. Charles, what do you love about Winooski? Why do you live there? I really appreciate, again, Echoing Bryn, but it's a very warm, small, healing city for it being 700 plus residents. I love the access to natural space. I spend a lot of time in Gilbert, Patrofairy, and then also in San Miguel, mostly in summer, but like Gilbert in a great box. I really enjoy Rosy's Latte and chocolate. It's a perfect Friday treat. And I spend a lot of time in Fort orders for Friday Tuesday. And yeah, I came to Winooski because it was affordable and accessible to better economic opportunities than I had earlier, which is what I spent about no shame to be here. It's a great town, but I need to be, need to access the social service work and I was with the cops all the time. So I need to be closer and then every every sort of dollar is placed to grab my first one and then do flex. And yeah, it's been a great, great person. My goal is to open all the homes in Winooski if I can. And I think being on City Council will help me make that accessible to the whole community, like the young volunteers that are in justice. Not too far into the community yet. Yeah, that's a champion's sound. And that's very, could you hear me okay? Yeah, great. That's great. We are, we kind of blew through our time here and we have three questions left, four questions left. One on language access, one on public safety, one on climate change, and one on development and change. So I'm going to let you choose from the last four questions.  I'm just going to have you choose from one of those. What's your, what's the question that you feel strongly about and you want to answer? So we're going to start with you, Charles. All right, I choose climate change.  It has to be collective and it has to be, it has to have community support. When I think of like big change that's to see the radical movement of the parts of the country, I think about having composting in Burlington, as I sometimes require. We know the soil being out of places, having composting programs just kind of makes sense to keep our whole system stable. And that happened because people already believe in it. It's simpler to enforce something than has to be done. Locally, I think trying to hold private election services to high standards and make sure that they're following regulations and not putting natural resources around businesses and race kids essential and as well as long term picture holding people that profit off of burning fossil fuels, producing fossil fuels, and non-sustainable farming, I think addressing those people and making it more expensive to build a financial reserve is really the way forward for climate change. Great, thanks. And Brynn, your question of choice. Yeah, thank you. I actually am very excited to talk about language access. So we have nearly 20 languages spoken within the city of Winooski and we translate and interpret about 11 of them. We have a vast new American population and I think we are on the precipice of developing our own language access plan. The Office of Racial Equity just released their own language access report, which I think will give a great deal of guidance. Statewide Office. Correct, yeah. We'll give a great deal of guidance to our city staff as they undertake this next effort. I think especially because we have all resident voting that adds an additional pressure on us to ensure that our language access plan is strong, as well funded, and has full support of the city and city council. Great. Thanks so much. You did that. I spoke about that very quickly. So closing comments. We'll start with you, Brynn, and then Charles. Again, what are you hoping to do and how can people find out more about you? Sure. Yeah, thank you. I just want to say to voters, my work is not done. I feel like I too have a passion for the environment and I feel like there's a great deal more that we could be doing at the city level to reduce our own energy demand and improve upon our own efficiencies there. I think improving upon belonging within the city is also a crux of my core values moving forward and affordability. I think we need to ensure that we're maintaining a city that is affordable and I take that very seriously as we look at the budget. So if anyone wants to find me, you can look me up at Oakleaf4Wanewski.com. You can also find me under that on Facebook, as well as Instagram. All right. Thanks so much. And Charles, your closing comments. Yeah, if elected, my goals are really to be an advocate for representation for the learning class, for the learning of the class. I think that having an advocate might help bring some more community buy-in and I think that I'd like to use my time on some of these campuses and grant it to build that community buy-in and actively use it to withstand leadership and leadership that has yet to knowledge itself and present itself globally. I think getting the youth in the new scheme and getting the costs to support the system of the new scheme is something that goes on for many years. Thank you for your grant, your support of the pads, and I just hope you learn about those things and I'll wish there's a lot more to it. Great. Thanks so much. Thank you both for joining us tonight and thank you all for tuning in. You can watch Tom meeting television on Comcast channel 1087 on Burlington telecom channel 17217 and you can also subscribe on our YouTube page at youtube.com backslash town meeting TV. Thanks for watching and good night. Don't forget to vote March 7th. That's it.


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You know Mamma Mia, comes the spring the birds of fly north. Well as Uncle Pietro is always the same. Who cares where the birds of fly as long as the girls will stay here. Mamma Mia, American a girls, they're really beautiful, very beautiful. Anyway it's not time enough to take a girl because it's time for me to go to my night school or class and to see my teacher Miss Spaulding. She's so nice. When I'm at the blackboard and Miss Spaulding is a teaching me penmanship and the hold in my hand I'm going to get so nervous I'm going to move. Mamma Mia the chalk is going to write by itself. Well I'm going out to school. Class alright, attention quiet please. Now I'll call the roll. Mr. Basco. Present. Mr. Harwood. Present. Mr. Olson. Present. Mr. Stop I give up. Please Mr. Schultz don't answer until I call your name. Now our lesson for today is geography, taking up the physical aspects of the earth including the various zones. Well I'm going to call my name. Alright, Mr. Schultz. Now I put an answer in temperamento. Class please. Now Mr. Harwood, our first geography question is what do we call the imaginary belt that runs around the center of the earth? Hickok. No. Mr. Basco. I don't know. Mr. Olson. I don't know. Mr. Schultz. Don't ask me I'm no Schreeler. Mr. Schultz you're not helping one bit. Now think class. Think of a great big mass. What name do we give to the thing that goes around the middle? Go ahead no teacher. Good for you Mr. Olson. What is it? A girdle. No no no it's the aquaher. Believe me the way the world is falling apart today it could use a girdle. Class I just told you what it is. Now the name of this imaginary line that goes around the earth is called Mr. Basco. Is it called the Mr. Basco? No. Mr. Basco. All during the class you've been staring out the window. What have you been thinking of? You. That young lady over there is spraying the weed. She is in love with the teacher. She loves Mr. Basco. Yes please please stop at this minute. I'm sorry Mr. Schultz. I'm sorry I'm making you nervous. Well I'm not nervous. Now back to our lesson. The aquaher is a girdle and it's called Mr. Basco. No. I mean Mr. Basco is bounded by. Thieves by the bell. Class is missed and Mr. Schultz you may remain here with me. I'm too old. Give Luigi a chance. Good night. Good night. Heavens what a class. Let me look at myself. This new lipstick does do something for me. Luigi wait for me. Don't listen to me. I'm breathing like an old accordion that's got one squeeze left in the box. Hello Schultz. Oh Luigi I got to apologize for the way I was acting in class. Well I was acting a foolish myself for Schultz. Instead of thinking about the geography my mind was on a little birds flying around together.  The boys and the girls are holding a hand.  Schultz sit down and spring a minute nothing to you. Sure that's when I defrost the ice bar. I got it. Luigi in spring you should go out with a girl. Oh please Schultz. Oh stop you're going out with my cousin Wolfgang's daughter Matilda. Sure sure this Saturday night you're taking her to the movies. But Schultz I'm never take a girl to the movies. Oh Luigi it's the same thing like going by yourself. Only when you go with a girl you don't look at the picture. Schultz why should I go if I'm not going to enjoy myself. Stop that Luigi stop. Now here's Matilda's telephone number.  No Schultz sir thanks sir but I'm taking her maybe I better not to run. Oh stop that don't put it off remember. He who hesitates never gets to the movies before the prices change. Come on Luigi I call Matilda and make the date for you. But Schultz don't be afraid. Are you a man or are you a mouse drop. All right Schultz you give him a courage. I'm going to start the spring off at the right away. This Saturday night the Luigi is taking a girl to the movies. And you know what the picture we're going to see Schultz. The picture about a fine Italian boy the life of a rally.  It's a spring all the way. Luigi my friend I love Luigi I love I love. Hello Charlie. Oh it's a nice day today huh. Smell of that spring. Luigi what are you so happy about.   Come on Schultz it's better than that. This Saturday I'm going to date the little girl. Oh Luigi I've been so glad to hear this. You finally going to go out with my daughter Rosa. No I'm going out with a girl. What do you think a rose is and don't answer that. Luigi why you'd better go out with a Rosa. She's a two fat.  Every time we talk about a Rosa that's all you could say. That's all I can see. You want to go out with a girl that's as skinny like a tooth to pick.   There's an oil super squalor. Saturday night the Luigi's are going to go to the movie. Oh you're going to take this girl to the movies eh. That's to show how big a green horn you are. What's the wrong with that. Everything. You go to the movies so what's to happen. For three hours are you girls are you looking at a cloud game. Well are you looking at a lantern.   Besides Luigi don't you know is a law against taking American a girl to movies on a first day. That's a violation of Emily's a poster. Emily's a poster what's that. That's like a Saturday evening a poster only Emily's a poster to take care of the rest of the week. Mamma Mia is a so much to learn. But if I'm a no can go to the movies or what else I'm a can do with a girl. First the day do you got to take her dancing. That's the American way. But a per squalor you know me. I'm a no kind of dance. In Italy all I'm a dance is a tarantella. And if I'm a go to American a dance I'm a just to stand around and do nothing.    So why you two wall a flowers and don't get married and have a little creeper. Stop. You know you're super squally. The dancer for me is a no possible. I think I'm a take a chance to call up a this a girl and ask if she's a want to go to the movies.  I'm a hope. Why not the first one. Oh you call yourself a telephone the company is a call that a person a person a cost you twice as much. Besides the she's the libel I want to go to a dance and then you really stuck. But squally what am I going to do. What am I going to do. What do you always do. You how to help her comes up a squally Luigi.  But squally you think if you talk to her she's a go to a movie with a man instead of a day. Oh I got a lot of experience with American girls. I must say hello baby. How's your body you paint in the town of Redwood Luigi. He's a good for that. He's got a handle like a paint the brush. You see I make her laugh but she's a do I take it for you. Well that's the sound to find the first one. So should I give me her name on the telephone number. I got to call her here and thank you very much.   That's just what I'm going to do for him and nothing. Hello. Is this a Matilda. And my friend Luigi Bosco is asking me to call you to say he's not going to take you to the movies.  That's right. If he's to go to see that the picture yellow sky to him it's a come out the red river. But don't worry Matilda Luigi's got a better idea. You like it to dance. That's fine. Luigi's are just the crazy to dance.  You like her. Can he really dance. He's a whole the family is a dancer. So his sister is a Gina Kelly. Life with Luigi continues in just a moment. But first Loretta Young Robert Cummings and Wendell Corrie will play starring visits to CBS Lux Radio Theater tomorrow night. And you'll hear them recreating their original motion picture roles in the current psychological screen drama The Accused. Be sure to hear this tense drama of the police courts tomorrow night on Lux Radio Theater. And now for the second act of Luigi Bosco's adventures in Chicago. We turn to page two of his letter to his mother.   And I'm going to take him a tilde to the movie. Mamma Mia you should see how nice summer dressed up. I'm a look in a men's fashion magazine and Tony's a shoe shine a parlor. And it's a say that a man's clothes should always a match. Well I'm aware in a purple shirt and an orange tie.  One sock is a purple the other is. Also I'm a wanna smell a good. But there was no aftershave a lotion in the medicine a chest. So I'm a make of my own the mixture. I'm a taker summer clothes summer rub and alcohol. Some oil the winter green glycerin and a rose water boil the whole thing up for 15 a minute. Then I'm a bottle of sweet there from the kitchen and a poor the whole thing over myself. Mamma Mia you should smell me. Just like a drugstore. Anywhere I'm a stand and a look at it to myself in the mirror when it's in the commercial. I don't know who you are. No good looking today. What do I smell. What's the matter shows Luigi what's your burning rubber tire. Open the windows let some fresh air in. Oh that's better. Luigi I was just talking to my daughter's mama and she tells me the girl is all excited about going dancing with you tonight. Yes I'm all excited. Dancing. What a post quality is a karma till then tell her I'm taking it to the movies.  You know for quality is going to shimmy you up with any other girl. But why why he asked Rosa why should Pasquale help you with a molehill when he can't get rid of his mountain shoes. It's a look to like my big day is a fall apart. I'm a no kind of dance shows how many you call up a motel then I see if she's a good for a movie with me. I love to Luigi but Matilda has already bought a special dress on dancing shoes. Now Luigi Luigi don't be afraid. There's nothing to dancing. It's the same thing like wrestling only it's not fixed. Come here close to me close to me now. I show you how. All right. Now first you take the girl you hold her close to you like this.  Can you squeeze it too hard. That's the way you hold a girl. What are you thinking of dancing. Just dancing. You're just a waste of your time away to me. No no wait Luigi I just got an idea. Why don't you go take a professional dancing lesson. Sure sure they're going to learn your quick.  Arthur Murray. No thanks I'm not that sort of man. What am I going to do with you Luigi Arthur Murray is a dancing school. Here let me look in the paper. Sure sure here here I got it. You see Arthur Murray's dance studio. With the magic step you can learn to dance in one lesson. Sure so you think they can teach me. Listen to this. With our beautiful young teachers holding you in their arms. Gliding you across the floor. You can learn this. Luigi I just got another idea. Who are the Schultz.  Schultz you're going to convince me. I'm going to go to Arthur Murray right now. Well Mr. Basko that's the simple Arthur Murray one two three step. So much for theory. Now shall we put it into practice. Oh well. Fine now just put your arm around me. Put your arm around me. Please maybe you got some more theory. Mr. Basko if you expect to do any dancing tonight you'd better start now. Well all right. Put your arm around me. Like this. Not both arms just one. Which one. The right one put it around me. But what are you waiting for. I'm wondering where I should have put it. Right here. Now I take my other hand and come closer. Like this. Closer. Huh. Closer. Mama me if I'm coming close I'm going to be behind you. Music. All right. Now Mr. Basko do as I taught you. Lead me. Mr. Burton I'm a no kind of move. Don't you remember what I told you. I'm a remember but I don't think of my feet was a listener. It's just beginner's pride. Just move your legs. There that's it. Hey. Look at me I'm a dancing. And the width of my other feet. Now just remember while we're dancing keep counting. One two three. I'm a remember. Mr. Basko are you counting. Yeah I'm up to 96. The step one two three. Why are you letting go of my hand. I'm a got a signal for a time. Driving a car. Now hold on to me and turn around. That's the way now we do. Back. Back. Back. I guess I'm a dipper too far back here. Mr. Burton is no use. I'm never going to learn in time with the dancer tonight.  Your girl will be surprised at how well you dance. Now just let's try that. Luigi thanks for taking me to this dance.  I think you're a nice too Matilda. Want a life to save her. Well there's a five different flavors. Before you know what the lemon. But this time is orange on the top. Well I try you later on the butterscotch. Okay. Gee if there's anything I like at dancing. Then why we just standing here watching. Before was a wall see you know what a dance. Now is a foxy trap. You still in the dance. I'm waiting for my kind of music. There's no place to go. Matilda. Is it a dance over. Then I'm pleased to get off on my shoulder.  Excuse me Matilda. I'm going to wash up a little. I'm going to be right the back. To some place. I'm going to come here in the street the car. I'm going to think I'm going to go home in an ambulance. My friend. Hello Luigi. Hello hello. Hello Pascuali. Hey Pascuali what are you doing in this a dance hall. Just to pass it by. Hey that's the matter with you. Hair's all over your face. The ties are gone. The clothes are all a mess. What's going to happen.  No Pascuali I was a dancing. With a girl. And what a girl. She's a jumper on like Uncle Pietro's a goat. After he's back into the barbed wire fence. And how she's a holler. Beating me with a rug. Ascending me. Tearing off some skin of Jackson. Luigi you was a dancer with a jitterbug.  If I'm going to know that. I'm going to come here with DDT. The body is all your fault. You told Matilda I'm going to take her to a dance. Luigi I didn't know how I was going to turn out. I was only trying to help you. Well Pascuali you want to help me. Then you dance with the Matilda. I'm going to home. I got a better idea Luigi. How's it going to be if some other girl is to go over to Matilda and say. Pardon me miss. You dancing with my boyfriend. And my finance. The house about. Before I change the direction of your nose. Pascuali where I'm going to get a girl. Who's to do that for me. Where do you think. I'm going to just to the girl. She also happens to be passing by. Papa you want me. Not yet. Wait till I call you. Rosa. Now. No. Rosa. Now. No. Can you play hard to get. Rosa. Yes Papa. Rosa say hello to Luigi. Rosa.  You go over to Luigi the guy that you say. Hey Pascuali Matilda he's a gun. There she is. She's a walk away with another fella. Now I'm going to go home and get a pair of hot water and soak my feet up to my neck. Hey hey Luigi why are you running. You have a bad time. You should have a little fun. Well you know relax. Rosa is such a wonderful and nice dancer. She is. Sure. Rosa is so good. They named a bigger dancer hall after her in New York. It's called a Rosa land. She stands the wall to box the trot. Well I'm a pretty tired but I try. Luigi drive you. What. Come on. And there's so many of me even though it's a spring and I'm sure to be walking in a park with a bird. For me is a turn out the other way. I'm laying here in a bed with a bandages. Don't worry I'm not to have such a big accident. It's just the way I was a dancer. Rosa is a fall on me. Doctor is a saying no bones are broken. Is it just that I'm a suffer from a shock. Anyway why I'm laying here. I'm thinking things over. And you know something about me. I think I'm a like it is a jive.  I think I'm going to try dancing again. He has some on the me every day in every way. I'm getting to be more like an American.  Why. Is written by Matt Benoff and Lou German and directed by Matt Benoff. Jay Carol Nasser starred as Luigi Basko with Alan Reed as well. And I'll stay tuned to it. I'll stay tuned to it. Thanks to the ignorant which follows immediately over most of these things. This is CBS for Columbia broadcasting.


Seventh grade teachers at Pequot Lakes have been embracing the new REACH program for this week's Golden Apple. Sarah Winkleman takes us to Pequot Lakes Middle School to hear about the changes in the classroom. Take on your assignment. The REACH program is all about strengthening student motivation through relationships, effort, aspirations, cognition, and heart. It's a lot more than MCA scores, GPA, ACT scores. At the middle level we have a great turning point in a kid's development where we can also focus on some really important skills like character. The REACH curriculum transforms regular coursework and assignments into a more personal experience for the students. It sparks with something that gets you going. It's something that you get really excited about. So for example in math if I find out that someone really loves hunting I can incorporate that into my math lesson and they get excited about the math lesson then because there's spark is incorporated in there. A survey at the beginning of the year gave the seventh grade students the opportunity to share their interests. So the teachers have been talking more about like what we like to do and we do a lot of discussing about it. Like talking about what we wrote down and other kids too so it's kind of cool to see what the other kids like to do and stuff which we usually don't get to see. It's a positive change that the students are noticing in the classroom. How do you feel a little bit better about yourself and you can talk to other people about like what you like and stuff like that? The students also participate weekly in some other activities that get them thinking about gratitude. We're not just throwing activities to the wind. We are honing them in based on what the students are telling us they need. Often we're stressed on the curriculum, get through the curriculum, practice for the MCAs whereas school shouldn't just be about get through the curriculum. It should be make the kids who they should be for the rest of their lives, make them good citizens and this REACH program really helps us focus on the good qualities of a person and who you should be as a person. During this crucial period in the students' lives that will help them move on in education and eventually the workforce. Reporting in Pequot Lakes, Sarah Winkleman, Lakeland News. Thank you for watching.