The Lux Radio Theatre brings you Wallace Beery and Faye Bainter in Salute to the Marines. Ladies and gentlemen, your producer, Mr. Cecil B. DeMille. Greetings from Hollywood, ladies and gentlemen. The personal philosophy of the average Marine is set down for posterity in the last verse of the Marine hymn, which says, if the Army and the Navy ever look on heaven's scenes, they will find the streets are guarded by United States Marines. This week the nation marks the 168th anniversary of the Marine Corps, and we add our part to the celebration by presenting Wallace Beery and Faye Bainter in their Metro-Golden-Mayer hit, Salute to the Marines. At Midway, at Wake Island, at Guadalcanal, this service has written its record in fire and blood. But tonight's play is not that story. It's the personal drama of a sergeant major and his family, a veteran, who retired to peace and quiet, and in typical Marine style, found he picked the hottest spot in the world. A fortunate break enabled us to reunite two of Hollywood's busiest stars. Faye Bainter has just returned to town from a camp tour after making Crye Havoc at Metro-Golden-Mayer, and Wallace Beery has just finished the picture rationing at the same studio. You know, in recent months, many of us have learned not to take even the simplest things of life for granted. We think twice before we throw things away. Housewives combine accounting with cookery. Old newspapers and waste fats suddenly turn out to be valuable raw materials. And a simple thing like a cake of soap is something to be handled with care and respect, especially if it locks toilets up. Of course, the famous beauty of a few thousand years ago, like Cleopatra, would see nothing unusual in this at all. Beauty at that time was something to be preserved the hard way, and the possession of even one cake of Lux Turlet soap would probably have called for building a pyramid to keep it safe. Now for a little history in the making, and the first act of salute to the Marines, darling Wallace Beery as Bill Bailey, and Faye Bainter as Jenny, with Noah Beery as the Colonel, and Key Luke as Flashy. Tripoli. Hong Kong. You all. King. Manila. Delaware. Justo theory. These are but a few of their hallowed battlegrounds, for they fought and died in every corner of the world. We are proud to salute the United States Marines. Long before Pearl Harbor, the United States Marines were on regular duty in the Philippine Islands. In 1943, battalions were stationed on the outskirts of Cavite. There, these leathernecks were drilled and trained by the toughest and roughest leatherneck of them all, Sergeant Major William Bailey. His superior officers called him old Bill. Some of the men called him that old so-and-so. But on one thing they were agreed, Bill Bailey was all Marine, every inch of him. Company, halt! Order, arms! At ease. Well, men, I want to congratulate you. We've been three days on maneuvers, and I want to say that you men are in a class by yourselves. Yes, sir, I've been in the Marine Corps 29 years. I've trained thousands of boots, but you're the dirtiest, meanest, way back mob I ever saw. I'll give you just 30 minutes to police yourself into something that looks human and stand-inspection. Attention! Dismissed. Hey, that's pretty tough going, Bill, 30 minutes. Yeah. They couldn't scrape that mud off of themselves in 30 years. They're rounding in a good shape, ain't they, huh? Yeah, they're doing fine. Hey, where's that barracks boy of mine? I got to do a little mud scraping myself. Hey! Flicy! Hey! Sergeant! Hello, boss. Gee whiz. Hi, champ. You miss me? Sure. Three days you've been gone. Yeah. Say, turn the hose on this helmet, will ya? Sure, Sergeant. I fix it up all nice and clean. Attaboy. You've been training like I said? Sure. I do roadwork every day. Then I punch the bag, 15 rounds. But I could go 40, easy. That's easy, but you don't want to overdo it. You'll grow stale. It won't be long now, huh, Sergeant? I got to be in shape. Oh, sure. Top shape. Gee, I can hardly believe you being my manager, helping me win back my title. It's in the bag, kid. One fight in Frisco, just to warm up. Then a couple of more pouts at Hollywood Legion. Then Madison Square Garden, and the announcer pulled up my hand, winner and again world champion, Flashy Lucas! Sure, that's it. Sergeant, it ain't true that they don't come back, is it? I can do it. Can't I? Sure. Sure you can. Only take it easy, that's all. It won't come all at once, kid, you know? Oh, I know. Sergeant Belly? Yeah, what do you want, Orly? The Colonel wants to see you at Headquarters. The Colonel, huh? Well, have I got time to change my clothes? The Colonel said right away. Oh, look, the old...  What's the matter, Belly? You got a guilty conscience? Now, why should I have a guilty conscience? Tell me that. Now, look, Chum, all I know is three more times in that brig, and they're gonna name it after you. Orly you can go. I mean, Sergeant, the Colonel sent for me, sir? Yes, I did. I'm sorry I didn't have time to change, sir. I just brought the battalion in from the back country.  Well, the ordinary sent me to come as is. I suppose if the Orderly found you taking a bath, you'd have come that way, too. Yes, sir, if it was a Colonel's order, sir. Well, never mind. Sergeant, this gentleman is Mr. Agnew on the staff of the Secretary of War, the Philippine government. How do you do, Sergeant? Fine, thank you, sir. Mr. Agnew's government is undertaking a pretty big job, needs a lot of help. Thought of you at once, Bailey. That's kind of you, sir. Any little thing that I can do for you at any time, sir. It is quite a big thing, Sergeant. At the time is now. Yes, sir. Bailey, I suppose you know the Philippines will become completely independent in 1945. Yes, sir, I heard something about that, sir. Independence is something that must be preserved. After it is won, it must be defended. We are preparing for the day when we must defend ours, when there will be no more United States Marines in the Philippines. Oh, you mean the Japs, huh? Mr. Agnew is speaking theoretically, Sergeant. We're not at war with Japan. Oh, pardon me, sir. I got you, I got you. No names, huh? Bailey, I have an order to detach a certain number of officers and men to this training duty. I am sending you up to Zubig province to take charge of civilian training in that area. What? Me train civilians? Why, I... Just a moment, Sergeant. Don't hesitate to call on me if I can be of further service to you. Thank you. Good day, Colonel. Good day, sir. Good day, Sergeant. I'm pleased to met you, sir.   Is that training civilian stuff on the level, sir? Yes, it's on the level. Yeah, but I've got a job. I'm just not getting that first battalion whipped into shape so it'll look like something. Sergeant McCarty will take over. McCarty!  He's only been in the service 10 years. Besides them Filipinas, they're too little to make good fighting men. When God made the Filipino, he gave him so much heart that he had a skimpy little on the side of his body. Be ready to shove off for Zubig province the first thing in the morning. Yes, sir. Oh, sir, I hear that the first battalion is going to be ordered to China to relieve the legation guards? Possibly. Sir, I've never asked a favor of my commanding officer yet, but if that first battalion goes into active service, I've got to go with him. For 30 years I've stood on that dock watching somebody else take them in into action that I've trained. What did I get out of it? Nothing but fallen arches and a fish peddler's voice. It's very humiliating, sir. 30 years in the service and not a single battle-honor on my record to look at my old age. The Colonel knows I come up for retirement in a couple of months, and I don't want to be stuck way up there in Zubig province with things cracking wide open over there in Asia. I'll give you my word. If I'm ordered to Asia, you go with me. Thank you, sir. That's good enough for me, sir. Oh, by the way, you'd probably be seeing your wife and daughter if it's Zubig. Oh, yeah, yeah. My wife. Give Mrs. Bailey my best regards, will you? Yeah, yeah. It's all right, sir. She's living near there, isn't she? Yes, sir. She certainly is, sir. What's the matter, Bailey? Oh, nothing, sir. Oh, all right. That's all, Bailey. Send me a report from Zubig. Oh, let me know what men you want to take with you. Yes, sir.  The day I get my orders. Thank you, sir. Now, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Hold it, you guys. Hold it.  Now, listen, listen. This here thing is a bayonet. Now, when I say fixed bayonets, you take it out and you... What's the matter? Hey, listen. Flashy. Come here. Yeah, boss? What are those guys babbling about? They know like bayonets. They don't. Well, I don't blame them for that. It takes a lot of nerve to handle that steal. Oh, they think bayonets, baby stuff. Baby stuff. Baby... Wait a minute. Wait a minute.  This bayonet is the wickedest weapon that was ever invented. A bayonet charge pushed home at the right minute will win for you when nothing else will. Now, watch that dummy. Here's the parry in the long thrust. Get it?  You see? Oh, what are they laughing at? They think you're very funny, boss. Well, you tell them I didn't get these stripes on my arms from being a comedian. Hey, quiet. Quiet. This is a very serious business. Like I was saying before, the bayonet is the wickedest weapon that was... Excuse me, sir. What's better, our way? What? How much more good do you use Bolo? Bolo? What, sir? A lot, son.  Oh, Bolo, not games. Bolo is nice, see? Oh, nice. Well, you put it away before you nicked your finger, will you? Excuse me, sir. You stick bayonet and dummy, leave just a little hole, yes? We make one swing, cut them up in half. Oh, go on. Oh, you watch. Well, doggone, see? No more dummy. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but wait, wait, wait a minute. You can't do that. Why, sir? What is to kill enemy, no? Why, we can't do it. Well, it ain't regulations, that's why. Hey, let me look at that doggone thing. Set up another dummy flash. You want to try this, your Bolo stuff. Sure, boss. Go ahead. Now, let's see. Oh, well, that's not half bad. Well, I'll tell you. Maybe we can stretch the regulations a little and use the bayonet and the Bolo together. All right, now, quiet, please, quiet. Oh, guys, I feel like I've been put through a washing machine. Mosley, you take over that second platoon tomorrow. I'll teach those guys close-order drillers. I'll spend the rest of my life in a padded cell. Yeah, we'll get one with twin beds.  I'm in gather, boys. What's going on out there? Hey, she just got back with a mail. Let me at him. Oh, Bert. Baker Callahan Bay. Hey, hey, give me that. Give me that. Where you been? You've had enough time to go down to the United States and bring back that mail. What'd you do? Stop on the road? Wouldn't you like to know? Hey, gang, the First Battalion's leaving for China. Hey, wait a minute. Hey, wait. Are you kidding, Hank? I saw him back in the sea bags.  And there's a transport stand in Biancavita with steam up. Is that kidding? It's a good thing you went after the mail. I might have missed the whole show. Anderson, here you take charge. What's the big idea? You don't think the colonel is going to take that First Battalion anywhere without me, do you? Something must have happened to my orders. Hey, Flicy. Here, boss. Come on, get a hold of a truck. You and me is heading for Manila. Come on, boys. This is what I've been waiting for. I'll send you a postal card from Shanghai. I left Anderson in charge down there. A very good man, Colonel. The minute I heard news that we were shoving off while I hightailed it right back here because I figured that something had happened to my orders, sir. Oh, yes, yes. Well, I promise that if I went, you'd go with me. Yes, sir. That's your very word, sir. Yes, sir. Well, sit down, Bailey. Sit down? Is the colonel feeling well? I never felt better in my life. I thought maybe it was the old fever coming back on you, sir.  A man can relax a little, can't he? Oh, sure, sure. Have a smoke, Bailey. Smoke? Yeah, have a cigar. Well, yes, I guess I will. Thank you, sir. Well, how's the training coming, Bailey? Oh, fine. It's silk, sir. You were right. Them little Filipinas are making great fighters. Of course, they've got their own idea as to how things should be done. Did you see Mrs. Bailey while you were up there? Oh, yeah, yeah. Once or twice. Is that all? Well, I'll tell you, Colonel, it's like this.  When she moved up there to Balagon to bill it with the rest of them passive screwballs and, well, we don't get along so good. Oh, I'm sorry. You see, Colonel, Ginny's all hepped up over this brotherly love stuff. She and her friends figure out that they can save the world by turning the other cheek. But Helen, Helen's different. Last time I saw Helen, she was quite a young lady. Yes, sir, she sure is. Well, excuse me, sir. Well, what's the matter? Well, here I am, just sitting here gassing and... Oh, that's all right. Yes, sir, but I expected to find the Colonel right up to his neck and work and blowing off steam, getting ready to go board that transport, sir. I'm not going aboard the transport. And neither are you. What? Oh. You kind of had me scared until I realized that she was only joking, sir. There's no joke. Lieutenant Colonel Barnes is taking the battalion. Barnes? Why, he's only a kid. Well, I've been told that fighting is a kid's business this day and age. The next war, if there is one, will be for young men, sergeant. But you can't let them do that to me. Not again, sir. It's the last chance I'll ever have to get that third decoration, sir. Sergeant, anybody can lead train men into battle, but train men to be led. That's nothing else to gain. That's your job, Billy. It's always been your job. Sir, I'm going with that person. Cutting if I have to go to the hill and store board that transport. No, you're not. You're staying right here in the Philippines and carrying out your orders like a good Marine. I know there's something wrong the minute you came to that study. I've been had by a two-bit shrew. A young man's war. Why can whip any man that you've got in the regiment? I've forgotten more than any man on board that transport will ever know. Sergeant, tomorrow we begin training another battalion. Is that all, sir? That's all. Oh, Bill? Yes, sir. Let me make it any easier if you remember. I'm not going either. Yeah, but with you it's different, sir. You've got your battle on this, and... Oh, that's all, sir. I'm sorry, Bill. Yes, sir. Oh, my. Sir. Yeah, they'll be leaving in the morning. Here I am just sitting and waiting, sitting and waiting for what? Come on home, bud. Come on back to the barracks. I'll go on away. I don't care. My hitch is up tomorrow, too. Thirty years. Let him go. Let him go. Let him go without me. Relax, relax, old timer. Huh? Take it easy. Here, have a cigar. Cigar? Why, you low-down... No trouble, please. No trouble, boss. What's the matter, old timer? Show that old timer stuff down the smoke stack. Will you sail or I'll bust you wide open. No, I won't either. No, I won't. Old timer, that's me. You got me, old timer. Why, there was Marines with John Paul Jones and there was Marines in 1812 on the Constantine. I'm in the Merchant Marine myself. That's okay. Don't apologize. I guess you're all right. Then there was the Marines with Decatur Tripoli. It was Marines that broke the Kaiser's back. Every battlefield all over the world has been crawling with Marines. And me, Bill Bailey, I've never been nowhere. Bill Bailey, I'm the only non-combat Marine in the history of the Marine Corps. Ah, tough luck. I always said the Marines was a crummy outfit. Why you, please? No trouble, Sergeant. I ain't going to let any seagorn civilian insult the U.S. Marines. I, yes, sir. I only said what you were saying. Oh, you was listening in on my private conversation, huh? Listen, hot shot. Don't you say anything about the Merchant Marine? Get out.  Fuck, why you? Sergeant, no trouble, no trouble. Oh, come on. This is a pleasure. Come on, open that door. Open that door. Let me out of here. Sit down, boss. Sit down and rest. Yeah, they're going to let us rot in this place. Is not so bad. Pretty good jail. Oh, yeah. Fine, yeah. Too bad we got licked. What do you mean we got licked? We were surrounded. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Here comes somebody to get out of here in no time. No, no, we won't get some M.D. Pick up old handsome. Don't try and be funny. What am I charged with? Oh, practically nothing. Destruction of civilian property, drunken disorderly, resistant to patrol, assault and battery upon members of Brother Services, who went 12 merchant sailors. It was 13 sailors.  At your age, sir. Why, you web put a gold brick long lamb out of here. Who sent for you, anyway? Well, you got a couple of visitors outside. Visitors who? Jenny and Helen. Their family, remember? Don't let them in here. Tell them I've been ordered to China, will you? I can't stop them. They got a pass. Oh, here you are, Mrs. Bailey. Make yourself right at home. Oh, William. William, Bailey. Yes, ma'am. Father. Hello, Helen. Well, here we are again. Huh? William, do you think I have to visit you in the bridge like a criminal? Oh, it's only temporary, ma'am. Mother, you talk as if Daddy has done something terrible. The whole thing is probably a misunderstanding. Sure, just a disagreement between gentlemen I can prove self-defense. Well, I'd rather have you here than in China. Bill, you don't know how we've prayed. Oh, no.  Every minute. Every minute. Since we heard the first battalion had been ordered into active service. Oh, I didn't think that you'd do that to me. Pray me out of the last chance that I've got to get that declaration. I might have known it. You started praying the very first day that we were married, and you prayed me out of every chance that I've ever had for active service. And it ain't fair either seeing a pie and praying back at you. Say, how did you know the first battalion was coming off to China? Mr. Casper told me. He's our neighbor up in Dalligan. How do you know it? It's a military secret. I don't make any difference anyway. I'm getting out of the Marines. I'm taking my retirement pay. William, are you really? I don't believe it. They couldn't pry you out of that uniform. I don't so feel you believe it either, Mama. I want to believe it, but you've lied to me. You fooled me so many times. I'm getting out. When I do, you ain't going to be married to the Marine Corps anymore. You don't know what this means. It's like starving all over again. But are you sure? Will they let you retire? Oh, probably after last night. They'll kick me off, Mom. No, they won't. I saw Colonel Mason. He said he hadn't heard you were in here. He doesn't even want to hear it. Yeah? Oh, well, what's the difference? I'm getting out anyway. From the Secretary of the Navy to Sergeant Major William Bailey, United States Marine Corps. The Secretary of the Navy extends to Sergeant Major William Bailey. Congratulations upon his retirement at the expiration of 30 years continuous service in the Corps. Throughout his long service, Sergeant Major William Bailey has distinguished himself by his devotion to duty. His unblemished record is and should be an inspiration to all hands in the naval service of the United States. This letter of commendation is to be attached to and made part of the service record of Sergeant Major Bailey by order of the Secretary of the Navy. Pass and review. Pass and review. Right. Right. Forward. Well, Bill, we're going to miss you. Thank you, sir. There goes the second battalion. They're on their way too, huh? That's right, Bill. Well, take care of yourself. Yeah, sure. So long, Bill. What's that?  Hello, Helen. Hello, Jenny. Well, it's lost. It's over. Come on, Bill. We're going home. Wait. I just want to see the colors leave.  You wouldn't want to be going with them, would you? Me? No. No. That stops not for me anymore. Didn't you know? This fighting business, that's for kids now. I'm just an old timer. In a few moments, Mr. DeMille presents Wallace Beery and Faye Bainter in act two of Salute to the Marines. Candid quizzes are the rage these days. You know, you ask yourself questions and say your appearance, and rate yourself on the answers. Here's what we mean. I'm looking in the mirror. Do I like what I see? First, my hair. Nice and smooth. Becoming hairdo, too. I'll give myself a full ten points on that. Now, for my complexion. Not bad. Not too good, either. Only five points on that, I guess. What's the score on the care you give it? Well, I've been thinking about that. I... I was going to try some real beauty care every night, so as luck-soaked facial screen stars you.  Well, usually it's late, and I'm tired. Oh, I'll be honest with myself. Guess I rate about three for effort there. Look, you could rate that again easy as pie. Of course I could. I will, too. Me, for an active lather facial with luck soap every single night. Beginning now. And, here's what she does. Moved lots of the luck soap lather well in. Oh, my, but it's creamy. Feels wonderful on my skin. Rinse with warm water. Flash on cold. And now a soft towel to pat skin dry. And it's only a few weeks later that she finds... Boy, my skin really looks a lot fresher. Feels smoother, too. I think I'll give myself ten points for complexion now. Thanks to my luck soap beauty care. Yes, it's true. Regular facials with Hollywood beauty soap do make complexions lovelier. Luck's toilet soap is gentle and mild. Just right to give delicate skin protecting care it needs. Try these luck soap beauty facial screen stars depend on. Let the rich active lather of this fine white soap work for you. Day by day it will help your skin to become softer, smoother, and lovelier to look at. Ask for luck's toilet soap tomorrow. And if your dealer is out of stock due to wartime conditions, he's sure to have more soon. Remember, luck's toilet soap, the beauty soap of the stars is worth waiting for. We pause now for station identification. This is the Columbia Broadcasting System. Act two of salute to the Marines. Starring Wallace Beery as Bill Bailey, Faye Bainter as Jenny, with Noor Beery as the Colonel, and Key Luke as Flashy. Bill Bailey, ex-Marine, has retired to the pacifist settlement of Balagan. And the neighbors have turned out in force to welcome him to their midst. On the porch of Jenny's bungalow, Mr. Kaspar, pacifist number one of Balagan, is holding forth on his favorite subject. Speak freely. Every time we listen to the radio from Europe we can thank our lucky stars that such things could never happen here in Balagan. Oh, but I'm afraid we've been neglecting our hosts. Oh, that's all right, that's all right. I've been listening. I suppose as an ex-soldier, Mr. Marine, ex-Marine doctor. Oh, yes. As an ex-Marine, I suppose you don't share our views at all, do you? No. No, doc, I don't guess I do. You see, Mr. Bailey, none of us in Balagan believes that soldiers are really necessary. Nothing personal, of course. I'm used to that.  Soldiers are the weapons of industrial overlords. Yeah, well, I wouldn't know nothing about that, Mr. Kaspar, but I... Mr. Kaspar, my husband is no longer in the service. He's worn his last uniform, thank goodness. Haven't you, William? Yeah, yeah, I'm retired. So, there's really nothing to discuss about it, is there? Well, good afternoon, Mrs. Bailey. I'll be running along. Oh, so soon, doctor. It was nice as it had come, so Bill could meet his new friends. I am sure you will like Balagan, Mr. Bailey. We are simple, home-loving, peaceful people. Yeah, I can see that. You haven't met all of us yet, but we're all the same. Mr. Karatou here runs our radio station. He's an electrical engineer, educated in the United States. Hmm, is that so? Oh, yes. I took my fire at the dog breed at the Cornell. Oh, you went to America and got smart and up. Not bad for a foreigner. Oh, yes, sir. I learned a lot. America's all very smart. Good afternoon, Mr. Bailey. Good afternoon. Thank you for coming. Goodbye, so long. Goodbye. Thank you so much. Goodbye, goodbye. Well, that's over. Now, didn't I tell you, Bill, aren't they lovely people? Yeah, well, maybe they're okay, but not a one of them could get by a good recruitment officer. What they need is some setting up exercises, something to put a ramrod down their back. Bill, stop living in the pub. You've got to learn to relax. Now that you're home, I'm going to show you how. You just leave everything to me. Sure. Here, do you want to finish the rest of these orders? Yeah, I ain't had nothing to eat yet at all. Hey, Jenny, what's this year's salty stuff you got spread on? Oh, yes, sir. I learned a lot. America's all very smart. Good afternoon, Mr. Bailey. Good afternoon. Thank you for coming. Goodbye so long. Goodbye. Thank you so much. Goodbye. Goodbye. Well, that's over. Now, didn't I tell you, Bill, aren't they lovely people? Yeah, well, maybe they're okay, but not a one of them could get by a good recruitment officer. What they need is some setting up exercises, something to put a ramrod down their back. Bill, stop living in the pub. You've got to learn to relax. Now I'm going to show you how. You just leave everything to me. Sure. Here, do you want to finish the rest of these orders? Yeah, I ain't had nothing to eat yet at all. Hey, Jenny, what's this year's salty stuff you got spread on the toast? And chovy taste, dear. Oh, I thought it was some kind of fish. Come on, dear, get to bed. You must be tired. Yeah. Well, that talking kind of got me down. Oh, Bill, it's so good to have your home. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's nice. A real home and real friends. I'm afraid I'll wake up and find out I've been dreaming. No, no, this is the real McCoy. Home is where a man belongs, ain't it, Helen? Well, some men. It is better than the barracks, isn't it? Oh, sure, sure. I feel like a country gentleman. Still miss your old companions? Oh, them lugs? Or if I never see any of them again, that'll be soon enough for me.   Oh, Jenny. Oh, don't mind me. You don't go right on with your billing and cooing. I'll wash the dishes. Night, Dad. Good night, Helen. Come on now. I'll turn down your bed and you can get a good night. William. Yes, ma'am. William, what are these things? Them? Oh, that... Well, that's... that's a uniform. Jenny, I said address blues. What do you know about that? I found it under your mattress. You did? Well, I was... I was kind of saving it for Halloween. William, you lied to me. Oh, Jenny, now how can you say that? You told me you'd given away every last uniform that you never wanted to see them again. You cheated. You hid this one. Yeah, I guess you're right. Oh, I ain't no good. I ain't got no willpower, especially when it comes to thinking about some other lug wearing my address blues. Oh, I fought and wrestled with temptation, but I lost. Maybe it's because I always had a picture of myself being buried in my blues. Gee, I can see myself right now laid out with my blues and all my medals on my chest. The idea why it's almost sacrilegious. I'll get rid of these right away. No, no, I'll wait, Jenny. When assembly blows up yonder and the Angel Gabriel calls a roll, he ain't never going to recognize Bill Bailey in civilian clothes. Maybe we shouldn't take a chance like that, honey. I'll answer the Angel Gabriel. Good night. Anybody home? Oh, come in, Mr. Casper. Sit down. I can only stay a moment, Mrs. Bailey. I'm, well, frankly, I'm a little embarrassed. What is it? Has Bill done something wrong again? Well, according to the principles we live by, yes. Mrs. Bailey, he's down at the garage. He has all the children of the town there and he and that Filipino boy brought with him. They, well, they're teaching the children to fight. Okay, okay, that's enough kids.  Gee, Flashy, I bet you were the greatest fighter in the world. Me, I was the world's champion. But Sergeant Bailey, he could be two world champions if he was not so busy protecting the United States. Ah, Flashy, I wouldn't talk like that. Could you have been Sergeant Bailey?  I didn't have no takers. Gee, Marines. Well, they was Marines by the time I got through with them, all right. Sergeant Bailey, tell us how you won that battle of Chateau Thierry single-handed. Oh, well, that, that was mostly luck. I don't like to talk about that. Oh, come on, tell us more about it. Well, okay, all right, I'll tell you a little bit about it. You know the guns got so hot that we could light our cigarettes off of them. Then we ran out of ammunition, so I said, boys, follow me. We'll charge them with the bayonets. Gee, the whole German army? All that was left of them. Why, we charged so fast that we fought our way right straight through Berlin and had to retreat back five miles to capture. Gee. Sure. Just before the battle started, the old general came up to me and he says, Bill Bailey? Oh, oh, yes, yes, kids, there was David way up on the mountainside, tending his little flock of sheep. It's all in the Bible. Williams.  I was just telling them they were very good little sheep, too, yes. I spent a lot of time with the good book when I was with the Marines. Jimmy Carson, where did you get that black eye? Frankie gave it to me. Yeah, I gave it to them, but I got one too. See, children, I I think you better go home. Oh, no. No, now go along, hurry up. Now go on. Look, Jenny, they-they was just played. Bill, I'm ashamed of you. What do you suppose their mothers are going to say about this? Well, I don't know. I- Bill, this is the end of my patience. All you've ever done since you came here is just stir up trouble. Oh, Mom, you know I wasn't doing nothing. Neeking away with those boys, drilling them, trying to make Marines out of them. Well, I was just playing, not just... I told you time and again that people here don't like that kind of playing. They're bringing up their children to believe that war and fighting is wrong. You come along and undo all their good works. It's getting so half the village doesn't speak to me. I've heard fifty people say that you were a bad influence. I'm almost sorry I'd wrought through the valley again. Sometimes I think it might have been better if I'd left you in the Marine Corps. Yeah. Maybe you're right, Jenny. The fishing boats! The fishing boats! Hiya, Mr. Casper! Oh, good morning, Mr. Bailey. Pretty busy here today. I like Saturday night the small town. Yes, there's always a stir when the fishing boats come in. People look forward to it. The fishermen spend a couple of days amusing themselves like children. Then they go back to sea again for weeks at a time. Well, they don't look like children to me, Mr. Casper. All jabs, ain't they? Yes, I've known them for years. Peace-loving, peace-sabiding men with hearts of gold. And they've been very good to me. Yeah, I can tell that. You do business with them, Mr. Casper? They bring me merchandise from Japan. They have a great sense of loyalty to their friends. Me? I don't like jabs, boss. That's all right. Plus, I ain't too fond of them myself. All my life I've tried to destroy such prejudices. We must extend the hand of peace and friendship to all men, except them as brothers. But don't expect me to have any brotherly love for one of them, their jabs. Every time I see one, I get boost pimples between my shoulder blades. Hey, them ships look pretty rich for a fisherman's blood that I've ever seen. Steel hulls, high compression diesels. Looks like something built for the Navy, don't it? Oh, the boats belong to a syndicate which employs fishermen. They must be staunchly built in a great cruising range, whilst sometimes they're at sea for months at a time. Travel thousands of miles seeking the best fishing grounds. Fishing grounds, huh? Well, maybe you're right. Maybe. Can't make myself realize it. Only 18 days until Christmas. Maybe I'd feel more Christmasy if I could see a field covered with snow. Oh, my mother, this is going to be the best Christmas the Bailey family ever had. We'll be together. William, we'll be late for church. Now, put down that newspaper, dear. I wouldn't believe that they're a little bowl-legged four-eyed monkey if he was standing on a stack of bibles as high as the Washington Monument. Who? Oh, that there Japanese ambassador, Kurosu. Now, Bill, it says tea's right there in the paper. It must hurt them to print the truth for a change. Mr. Casper says that most of the trouble in the world is stirred up by the newspaper. I don't care what Mr. Casper says. I don't believe Casper, and I don't believe this is your Kurosu guy. Hitler was fought in peace, too, when he went in there and blitzed Holland and Belgium, wasn't he? Oh, I think it's criminal to create bad feelings between the Japanese and ourselves when we've lived in friendship for years. Dad, the Japanese wouldn't fly an ambassador all the way to Washington to talk to you if they didn't mean it, would they? No, I don't know anything about that, but if I were still in the Marines, I'd have double watches set in all the men right on the battle stations. You're not in the Marines, and you are on your way to church. You old calamity holler. Come on now. Okay. Oh, Jenny, you got a dime for me to put in the box when I get there. Here you are, dear. Thank you, Jenny. All men who fear war and rumors of war should heart and under the voice of Isaiah. And they shall despair, soars into plowsheds and their spears into pruning hooks. Nations shall not lift up soars against nations. Neither shall they learn war any more. What was it? Japanese bombers. Bombers? Come on. Don't worry about me. I can walk, take care of the others. Let me hold him. No, please, Mrs. Carson, don't let him. Please don't. What is it? It's little Jimmy Carson. He's dead. Give him here. I'll carry him home. My baby. Get back in that church and get the injured out. Wait. Listen, boss, that Mr. Casper. He's making a speech. Casper? Where? Over here. All the people listening. Use them to drive the Americans who made you slaves into the sea. The Americans are your enemies. Haven't they always? You hear what he says? He's your friend? Well, he was this little boy's friend, too. This little kid I'm holding in my arms. He patted him on the head. Used to feed him candy. He sat at the same table with his mother and father and ate their bread and butter. This is what happens to his friends. The same thing will happen to you. He calls himself Henry Casper. Ask him what his real name is. Henry Casper, I'm proud of it. Major in the Army of the Phillip. Your name is rat. You came here with a flag of the United States wrapped around you, protected by the laws and the rights of the Americans. But all the time you were just a dirty, crawling, filthy, bilge rat. Squealing about peace in the brotherhood of man. Listen, folks. He says you're not Americans. I say that you are. You might not have been born in pure Illinois, but you're just as good Americans as anybody that was.  You wouldn't say for it if you listened to him. The bombers will come again and the Japanese troops are on the way. Sure, but this time we'll be ready for him. Why is he here? Take this boy home.  Why are you? Let me go. Let go.  Well, I'm a United States Sergeant Marine major. Folks, you heard what he said. The Japs are on their way. Well, you know what that means. None of you people want a war, but you're getting it just the same. War's like a sickness. Nobody wants it. That's millions of people get it. When you get sick, you send for a doctor. When you get a war, you send for a soldier. That's me. I'm giving orders from here on. Get all those women and children out of there. Get them across that there belligate bridge on the highway. We've got to evacuate them before the Japs get here. All right, hurry up. Get going. A decent remission, Mr. DeMille returns with Wallace Berry and Faye Bainter for Act III of Salute to the Marines. Now, here comes Libby Collins, our Hollywood reporter. Libby, you had me scared there for a minute. I was afraid you weren't going to get here. Sorry, Mr. Kennedy, I was almost late. But don't blame me. It's all because of Joan Fontaine. Explain, Libby. Well, I just saw a preview of her latest picture. And it was so fascinating, I sat here twice. Oh, now I understand, Libby. I'd sit through any picture twice that had Joan in it. She's lovely in this one, Mr. Kennedy. In spite of the severe hairdo and the prim bonnet she wears in the role of the Victorian Governor. 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See how smooth it makes your skin feel. What new freshness it brings. And remember, it's patriotic not to waste soap. Luxe toilet soap is hard milled to last, but you'll find it lasts even longer if you always put it in a soap dish that's dry. Now, Mr. DeMille returns to the microphone. One of our stars has just come back from an exciting journey. We'll find out about it after the play. Now the curtain rises on the third act of salute to the Marines, starring Wallace Bairie and Faye Bainter with Noah Bairie and Key Luke. The village of Balagan is in flames. An ex-Marine Bailey has taken over command. Alone, he stands in the rubble littered streets directing evacuation. But now, around the corner, appears a welcome sight. Three leather necks leading a platoon of Filipino soldiers. Mostly, Saunders! Hiya, Sarge! Where'd you guys come from? We're up the coast a couple of miles on maneuver. We heard the farms, we come down the run. Who's commanding? Lieutenant James, you'll be here in a little while. I see you've got meetings. We're on that hill. The same place that we worked out the last problem. Okay, Sarge. We'll stay here and defend this village from house to house. Three to three, rock to rock. Yeah, we've got a delaying action, huh? That's right. Okay. The Dapskets here will keep on evacuating the natives. Wait, you've got a radio man? Yeah, we've got Joseph. He can send. Pick up four men and take them over that station down the street. Tell headquarters what's happening here and tell them we need help. Right. The Dapskets across that Balagan bridge, they'll overrun the whole country in a couple of hours. Tell the Colonel we'll hold it as best began as we can send a demolition spot. We've got most of them out, Sergeant. What about Mrs. Bailey, Doc? She's down at the bridge with Helen. They're helping take care of the injured. You better get along down there, too, Doc. No. I want a rifle, please. Sometimes it's more important to be a man than a doctor. Okay, we can use men here. Boss, the Dapskets are landing. See? Yeah. Fishermen in uniform, huh? Well, let them come. Take your positions. Get on those machine guns. We'll give them their monkeys a dose of their own surprise. There they are, Sergeant. I'll make the ranger, but I'll hold you out. No. 85, no elevation. Okay. Here they come. I'll let them have it. That's it.  Ha-ha! Hey, you were right, Sergeant. 85 on the nose. Keep it going, you men. Hey, Sergeant, what's the matter? They got tanks with them. Tanks, huh? Well, let's see. Yeah. Okay. Both of them. All the boys to fall back. We'll have to now. They've got those guns right on us. Tell them to fall back to regroup at Lieutenant James' position on the hill. Fall back, guys! Follow me! Sergeant Bailey reporting, sir. Keep down, Sergeant. I'm Lieutenant James. Yes, sir? All the women and children got up at the bridge all right. Thanks to you. Me, sir?  I just figured we'd pay it kind of safe, that's all. What are your orders, sir? I think you know this position better than I do. You run the show, Sergeant. Yes, sir. Thank you, sir. The way I see it, those Japs are in a hurry to get across the Baligan Bridge. They'll come right up through here and right up the hill. It's the shortest route. And will you stay here? Yes, sir. I figured the Colonel will have that demolition squad here pretty soon. Then we can fall back across the bridge just before they blow it up. Good. We'll stay. Here they come again. Keep down. Short bursts, you guys. Say that ammunition. They got those tanks moving now. Soldiers! Don't let those tanks get behind us. Take three men and fall back and protect the road. Come on, guys. Use three. Take 20 grenades. You'll need them. Sergeant, can those Filipino boys handle a job like that? Yes, sir. I train those boys. That's good enough for me. Hey, Sergeant. He's the mission. Huh? Who? Bill. Bill. Jenny. Here. Get on quick. What are you doing here? I figured you were across that bridge. I thought there might be some here who needed help. Where's Helen? She's safe with the others. Dear Bill, I've brought this for you. What's that? Look at the house and fear. Where my uniform, huh? I dressed blue. Put the coat on. Yeah. Maybe I'll feel more comfortable again, huh? Hey, you better watch it, sir. I think I spot those blues a mile away. Well, you let them. I want them. How do I look for them? Oh, Bill. I think you look grand. They've fallen back. We ought to feel plattered, Sergeant. It's not everything they had at us. From all directions. Yes, sir. How you doing, Jenny? Fine. But I could use some more bandages. Look, Mom. You've done enough here. I'll send a couple of the boys back with you. Try and make the bridge, huh? They're still wounded here, Bill. Yes, but... As long as they're wounded, they need someone to take care of them. Anyway, you can't spare any men. I'm staying here. But look, Jenny... Hey, the tail is feeling up to the bridge. Yeah. We've got the demonstration target set. Any orders? Wait a second. Walls back across the bridge. That's a good trick if we can do it. Okay, Mom. Here we go. We're getting out. What about the wounded? You'll have to carry them. Up you go, boys. Watch it. Keep down. Keep down. Oh! Sergeant, they come back of us. They surround us. Yeah, well... I guess we're staying here, then. Bill, isn't that disobedient of orders? Still got a sense of humor, huh? Hey, mostly. Yeah? Sentimental to the colonel. Tell him we can't accept his invitation due to a previous engagement. There's a jet plane, Sergeant. Yeah. They stop firing down below. I guess they're going to let the plane finish us off. There goes the bridge. Well, nobody's going to use that for a long time. That's right. Nobody's going to cross that. Well, it's been a pleasure serving under you, sir. Oh, stop. I don't break no salute. I think you do. Here he comes. Give it to him. Nice shooting, there, flashy. Some fight, huh? This better than Madison Square Garden. Yeah. I'm some manager, ain't I, champ? Sure. You got instructions for this round? Sure I have.  That's the kind of fighting you know best. Come on. What are you waiting for? Get moving. No, go. We stay here and fight with you. No. No, no. No, you ain't. You're going to fight all right, but you're going to fight the biggest battle of your life. You're all going to win new titles.  Them Japs are going to try and climb all over these islands. Killing them off is going to be a full-time job for all of you from now on. Now remember all the things I taught you and used them. So long, champ. Okay. Maybe they tried to climb over these islands, but there are going to be a lot of us can climb over them too. Sure. Well, you stay right in there and keep punching. Champ, you hear? Carry out the orders. Sure, boss. Sure. Watch it. Jenny, Jenny, you okay? I'm fine. I had a girl. Bill, it's hopeless, isn't it? Oh, I don't know. There should be. I know it too. Bill, I didn't realize all those 30 years while we were living them that they were leading up to just this one moment. I'm proud of you, Bill. Oh, mom. Then I'm proud. So proud of that uniform. So am I, mom. I only wish the Marines had a uniform for women, too. Well, maybe they will before the war's over.  He'd have enjoyed this. I bet maybe I'd get that decoration too. It is my privilege to present this highest of all decorations for Valor to his next again, Sergeant Helen Bailey, United States Marine Corps Women's Reserve. Sergeant Helen Bailey, received this in honor of a truly great Marine, your father, with the gratitude and in the name of the Congress of the people of the United States. We won't worry about the future of this great radio drama as long as we can get troopers like Wallace Beary and Pabainter. Thank you, CB. Always glad to get back here. 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But I discovered what entertainment really can mean, and we hit one small camp at the mountains where they hadn't even seen a woman in weeks. I've been in the theater since I was four years old. And this is the greatest thrill that's ever been for me. We're leaving for another tour tomorrow. Well, the best of luck to you, Pay. What's on the fire next week, CD? A romantic and tuneful drama of old San Francisco Wally. It's the 20th Century Fox musical hit Hello Frisco Hello. And our star is Alice Faye. Alice Faye plays an entertainer of the Barbary Coast Day. And you'll hear the big song hits that send everybody out of the theater humming. Our guarantee next Monday will not be a blue Monday if you join us for Hello Frisco Hello. I wish I could sing like Alice Faye. Good night, CB. Good night. Good night. Good night. Good night. All sponsors, the makers of Lux Toilet Soap, join me in inviting you to be with us again next Monday night. 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Welcome to the wide world of eSports, the show devoted to all things eSports. I'm your host, Catherine Norr. Today, my guest is Madeline Gilbert. She's the founder and president of Women of University of Hawaii eSports. Today, we're going to be talking about women in games, University of Hawaii and beyond. Welcome, Madeline. Thank you for having me. I'm super excited to be here. It's always lovely to talk to people about eSports, and especially women in gaming. Fantastic. So what is Women of University of Hawaii eSports? What do you do and why did you start it? That's, yeah, it's kind of a hard question to answer because there's so many components that are involved with it. But I actually work at University of Hawaii eSports as a player support coordinator. So right now, I'm managing all of our teams, our players, and basically just making sure everything functions well. And I've been doing that for about two years. So only a year ago did I really come up with the idea to create Women of University alongside one of my other colleagues, Allie, who runs the iLab. And it just kind of felt right. I felt like that space was needed, especially at the University, because there were a lot of women and marginalized genders that play video games, but weren't necessarily active in the University of Hawaii eSports space. And so creating a space that they felt safe in felt needed to kind of, I guess, create more awareness of women in gaming to make people feel safer to join and kind of increase the amount of women in gaming. So it's a really long answer, but after starting it about a year ago, I think everything has kind of happened that I wanted to happen, where we do have more women in gaming. Our program has about over a hundred people in it, and we've been able to succeed at doing different events about creating a competitive Valorant team and also just raising more awareness for treating people equally to creating a kinder space in gaming. So what was the fundamental problem that has led to this? There's quite a few. I think it boils down to that women in gaming and especially women in eSports is quite rare. And there are a lot of reasons that that is how it is. And a lot of it is just comes down to there's quite a sexist culture in gaming and in eSports where people are quite negative and actively attack women when they try and play games or they show interest in playing games or they say that they want to play competitively or even just want to compete against their friends. There isn't really a good environment that has supported women through that. And even personally, I've experienced a lot of sexism playing various games I have over the past few years and even working in eSports. And so this kind of issue of just really generalised sexism that there's no real reason it needs to exist is quite frustrating and is the reason I created the program. There's a lot of smaller issues in there of women tending to be actively ignored, especially in the eSports scene, that their opinions and thoughts aren't seen as valid or they're not listened to. I've experienced myself where people haven't listened to me or haven't respected me even when I've done nothing to prove otherwise. And that's frustrating because it's not right and you know it's not right and people should be supporting each other and should be uplifting each other and feeling inspired to create and to be in such an amazing kind of environment because eSports and gaming is really cool and it is something that's really inspiring to me. It holds a lot of opportunities and involves a lot of creativity. But to have this part of it is not helpful and is only dragging it down. So let me ask you a fundamental question. Are women and men, who's better at eSports? Are they the same or is there a gender difference? When it comes to playing games, obviously when we talk about sports, there are physical attributes that men might have the advantage in when playing certain games and you'd really have to focus on like more scientific specific studies. So I can only guess, but because there is a lack of women in games, because we haven't supported girls, younger girls playing games up until like older women, that there are just less women in games. And when there's less women, there's less of a chance to have higher ranking or like better gamers because there are so many men that play games. There is a bigger pool of men that are just extremely talented or have practiced for enough time. And so there's a significantly larger amount of them than there are women. Not necessarily that men are better than games, but I don't think women have had the opportunity yet to really prove that they could be good at games, too. And there are quite a lot of talented and very high ranking women in competitive games. But considering the large pool of like men that are in competitive games, it feels like there's barely any. Is this kind of like socialization when girls and boys are growing up and the girls are given Barbies and that boys might be given games to play? Video games to play or encouraged more? And maybe girls are not encouraged as much to play games? I'm kind of wondering if it starts like in childhood. I really strongly believe it does. I think one of the only reasons that I personally got into games was because of my brother, because my brother was the one who had a Nintendo DS or who even had like a Game Boy or something. And I saw him playing games all the time. And that made me feel inspired to myself. It wasn't because of my girlfriends or friends that I had growing up. No, like I think I had like one girl, at least when I like before 10 years old that played like a game, but we only played it because a big group of guys played the same game with us. And so the main reason that I have played games and competitive games over the year over the years is because of these like big groups of guy friends. And I haven't ever had a big group of girlfriends that I could play with. And so it isn't as inspiring or like appealing to kind of pick up a game when most of my friends aren't doing it. So I had to find a different space to play games, a different group of people.  They do talk about their daughters playing games. And I'm wondering if there's that if it's changing and that maybe, like especially like maybe COVID, maybe girls became more involved in playing games. What do you think? Is that is that something that is changing over time? I feel like it is. The amount of women that I've seen in competitive games and the amount of just people that I've seen playing games that identify as women or marginalized genders has definitely felt like it's increased. I can't say for sure, but it's just one of those like deep feelings where from being in the scene for so long and from being involved in gaming, you just start to notice things. And so I do believe that it has increased. And I think it will continue to increase because the more women that are being actively seen as playing games, the more people are going to be inspired by them to play games as well. So when you when you look at University of Hawaii and it's, you know, how they have embraced women in games, are there any rules to protect women or marginalized people in the gaming environment in collegiate eSports? There are as many women in collegiate eSports. I think the best way that I can represent that is as I'm managing all of our teams, we have about 120 players in UHE and out of 120 people every year, only one to three identifiers women. So that's a significantly small group. And then within that, there aren't really anything that we can do or we need to do to protect them because they are resilient. They've obviously proved that they are good players, that they can try out and make our team that they're worthy, that they can belong alongside everyone else on that team that are usually other men. And so for them, there are no like rules or stuff in place to kind of protect them because usually it's fine. And fortunately in UHE, it's quite a supportive community where we have been able to create a good environment for women to uplift and support them. I think that answers your question. Yeah, you know, it's interesting because I have this show I've had since July of 2020 and I have struggled to find women in gaming to be on my show because there aren't as many. And and actually a number of the shows have addressed women in gaming because that's, you know, the women that I see that are involved in gaming, they're involved in women in gaming and promoting women in gaming. Now at UHE, you mentioned, I mean, you're kind of in a supporting position with the teams. Are there other women that are, you know, make up, I mean, are women in those supporting roles or is that predominantly men as well? I would say that most of our programs like leadership is predominantly men. It's quite rare to me for me to be in this position and to also have another woman alongside me in a leadership position. Because as I'm running all of our teams and our players, my friend Ali, she's running our entire iLab, our competitive arena and open space for people to just play games in. And so for the fact that there are two of us in this space feels quite significant, and I think it's proven that by since we've been in these positions, more women have come out and felt comfortable to kind of be involved with UHE or to be supported by us because we're in leadership positions because we can kind of show them, you know, you can do this too. This is possible. It's not just men dominating the scene. When you're looking at eSports in Hawaii, is scholastic eSports or, you know, like other eSports environments, are they different? Do they have more girls involved? Or does it continue to be mostly boys and men? I think the collegiate scene is quite special because of how university kind of functions as quite a progressive institution where people are studying they're researching, they're learning. They're more open to different ideas and to have more kind of equal spaces. So over most of the programs in the U.S. that I personally witnessed, there are a decent amount of women that are leading, that are involved or have some kind of connection there. So I can't say for sure if University of Hawaii is special or different. I think we are unique in that because we're in Hawaii, we have quite a disadvantage where all of the servers that we play off of to play our games are on the mainland. And so we have kind of a lag when playing competitive games. So we're special in that sense in that that we are playing with a disadvantage and we're already kind of like everything's propped up against us. So we have a bigger determination here to kind of prove people wrong and to succeed even with these kind of difficulties. But when it comes to women in the program and women in other programs in the U.S. I think it's been quite nice to see a wide range of different people leading programs. Sure, sure. And, you know, I do run into a lot of female teachers in e-sports programs in like middle schools and high schools. And are you seeing that in Hawaii as well that you see people in middle school and in high school, you know, that girls and women are involved? I think in my personal position, because I'm leading a women in the e-sports program, I just have the tendency to attract other women or marginalized genders towards me. So I'm not sure if I have the best understanding of what the general scene here in Hawaii looks like because I'm kind of finding all of these underground people, these people that you wouldn't necessarily have seen before and talking to them or bringing them to the front line or stuff like that. So I think of my position, I'm quite lucky to be able to talk to all of these different people that might not have really showed up before or been in the public eye. When they come to you, do they tell you a story of discrimination or do they tell you their feelings about how they aren't comfortable but hopefully you and your organization can make them more comfortable? I think what has hurt me personally the most is when younger girls have come up to me and talked to me about the discrimination they've faced and the sexism that they've faced at such a young age and especially even some parents have talked to me about what their daughter is going through and what they've experienced. And that kind of stuff definitely hurts the most and impacts the most because to see these younger generations already being impacted by things that I'm still dealing with today is something that motivates me to change things even more that I have to change this because these younger girls shouldn't be dealing with that right now. So I have had experiences with that and unfortunately it just makes me feel sad but still like even more fired up to change things because there are the reason that I want to do this every woman and girl on the island and every marginalized gender I want to make this a better space for them. Sure. Now are there games that you believe are more kind of focused towards women and girls or do you think it's kind of gender or neutral? Well, in the end every game is gender neutral and even though most games that have been designed by men will attend to appeal more to men because they've been designed by men but there are still many games that even though are gender neutral you can see that there's a tendency for women to feel more comfortable playing them especially more casual games like Animal Crossing or every game has like left my brain but there's also like Legend of Zelda a lot of like Switch kind of console games and then recently Valorant as well has been a major game for women to play and that's why we were able to create a competitive team for only marginalized gender Valorant players because there was this large player base of female only players of female players and so there are like some games that I feel like have a stronger pull towards women or that they feel safer to play and obviously the larger number the more women will play in them but in the end every game is neutral anyone can play any game and they should feel comfortable to play every game Yeah, you know I thought you were going to say Valorant I'm just, I knew it What are your games that you play? I used to be a big Valorant player unfortunately the more that I've spent time like working in esports and actively working in my job and then also running women of UHE less time I have to play games So right now I'm kind of more focused on animal crossing ironically That's why it came to mind What do you hope for the future of women in esports? There is so much I hope for I've said this a few times before but my end goal is that this program doesn't need to exist because this is something that is created in the space of like a marginalized gender because women have been marginalized and because other like people in the LGBTQIA group have been marginalized as well as others this program had to be created to create a safe place but that shouldn't happen there should be more kindness in the community there should be more respect towards each other this program really shouldn't exist and though I'm thrilled to run it I'm so happy to create this environment for people my end goal is that it can disappear that we can have more equal gaming that people can respect each other that we can have more kindness Sure now just moving on to esports in Hawaii generally What's going on with UHE esports? How are things going right now in terms of growth and tournaments and performances? Honestly we've been having a really great year I think since I've joined the program two years ago one of the major competitive professional leagues the Overwatch League hosted one of their biggest tournaments here on campus and since we got that media attention we've been able to like have more opportunities for our students and to be able to kind of promote our program more get more students into it and it's just been fantastic we've sent a group of students to Korea last summer and we're going to be doing it again this summer to participate in an internship with Gen.G which is a major in esports organization in Korea and then on the team side of things our Apex team has absolutely smashed the scene they've like made everyone well known that they exist and our other teams equally have just been doing fantastic and in the end I feel so proud of them because they put in so much effort they work so hard and they're working at a disadvantage of not always having sponsorships or scholarships or being called a student athlete and yet they're still working this hard and they're still proving themselves and showing up to tournaments even with this kind of these hurdles Sir now you mentioned the Overwatch tournament I think was that played twice at UH and will they continue to have that at UH or is that done? So the Overwatch League came two years in a row I believe in 2020 and 2021 currently the esports scene is changing really dramatically quite quickly and so Overwatch League doesn't actually exist anymore it's being changed into something else and so what is happening behind the scenes there is something that I'm not entirely familiar with but we do hope that they're going to come back to us obviously it's always an option and it's always a possibility of something that can happen but anytime soon I'm not entirely sure we kind of just hope for the best and take the experiences as we can get them You know you mentioned the issue of lag or ping or latency that UH students or players have because the servers are on the mainland and you're not going to be able to react as fast or as people who are closer to the servers Now that's a challenge for people in Hawaii Another challenge that Hawaii sports has is travel and you know is there a travel budget for esports UH esports and are they able to travel or you know how is that working? As everything is it's quite complicated we have been able to send out teams and we probably still will be able to in the future it's always a sensitive subject and something that we can we have to discuss a lot as it's not as if we're taking a plane from like Texas to California it's from Hawaii to California and that's a considerable price jump so it's something that we are always facing the challenges of but we're constantly finding ways to figure out our options to find different ways that we can get them there So what are you planning a career in esports or is this something you're doing for fun while you're in college? This is something that I'm passionate about I think I found that I do have skills and just like the ability to do this kind of job in a way that I find is pretty satisfactory so I'm hoping that I can find a career afterwards in some kind of esports gaming space the esports world right now is quite uncertain so I'm never entirely sure what I want to do after I graduate but I tend to stay open to any opportunity which I think every student should do because you never know what's going to happen and if you just take everything that you can get and keep finding new opportunities then you'll get to where you want to go Do you know if there's any opportunity in esports in Hawaii in terms of careers? I think there starting to be because so many people leave Hawaii to go to the mainland to find jobs we really want to find solutions to keep them in Hawaii and to find more tech jobs for people here so I think that's something definitely we can see in the future as we start to kind of problem solve that issue there's definitely a space for collegiate esports in Hawaii and that is way easier to be a part of and then when it comes to the competitive scene I'm hoping we start to see more experiences and opportunities here So are you hearing from other people in esports at UH that they're planning careers in esports or they're hoping to have careers in esports? Absolutely I think one of our major jobs here and it's quite ironic because I'm also still a student but is to promote our students to be able to get a job in esports and that is through the connections that we can provide them the internship opportunities the just coaching and support that we can give them to apply for jobs when they leave and there are quite a few students interested in it and fortunately esports and stuff that they can learn in our program is stuff that you can apply to almost any job it just is useful skills useful tools that doesn't just make you only on this path for esports but for any company If someone is interested in your organization will we as you have called it women in UH esports how can they contact you or find you? So all of our socials are women of UHE so we also have a link tree that has all of our socials linked but you should be able to find those through that and any UHE esports is also the same just all of our tags are UHE esports Fantastic Well Madeline thank you very much we've learned a lot about women in esports Thank you so much All right and thank you to our viewers today my guest in two weeks will be Ed Lalier of Vanta Esports See you then


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