Our next session this afternoon will be for about an hour and there will be a public conference. And then... Is that on? It's on. It's on. It's on. It's on. Alright. I'll do that. So we'll be having our break at about 3.30, something like that, for a couple of weeks. And then we will continue the final session till about 4.30. So I'm going to hand you over now to our two single stars at the front here. Nick Lampis and David. Yay! Okay, is everyone having a great day? Simplify. Clarify. Demystify. Yeah, make it... Ah, yeah! That's what we want. It's not working. Can you hear it? Turn it up a little. There. How's that? That's better. Because 2000 is because... There. Ooh. The people at the front row there start to fly back. People at the back row, yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, maybe we can... You feel to open up with some questions? Yeah. You have any... There's a topic question back there. Probably legal. And the ego doesn't want to change. Do what wants to stay, you know, as it is. And the Holy Spirit is internally... You know, the high self is internally the changeless. So who is it? What is it? What is the audience? The cause. It's not the ego, but it's not the high self. What is the audience? What is it to half the need in making the decision to come here today? And it's not my ego. And it's not my high self. So what is it? Yeah. So the question is like, who is the audience for the course? And what is the part that made the decision to come here today? Then we're going to turn it. The course is written in a way that it has to be written in almost like a ladder so that there's different metaphors that can reach the mind wherever it seems to be or whatever it seems to be identified with. So, for example, when Jesus is really appealing to the mind to have a change of heart and turn around and really appealing to connect with it he will even say things like God is lonely or God is incomplete without you when really God is never lonely or incomplete but it's an appeal to see, oh, you are so part of God that you are so necessary and so important.  When we talk about who is the one who decided to come and you might also ask who is the one that's undergoing mind training? You could say it's the sleeping mind or the mind that has forgotten about God in heaven. It believes in separation and needs to be reached through words and through symbols. That sleeping mind is the one that is going to be taking steps and making an approach back. And Jesus does say that consciousness is the domain of the ego and can be trained and most of us are familiar with that when we think of reaching higher states of consciousness through meditation or through various spiritual practices we can think of consciousness as having levels and beginning to reach higher and higher states of consciousness. But ultimately we must come to a place to realize that all of those are like metaphors because the truth really has no exception. So in the end it will come down to like a decision in our mind of seeing we were completely wrong about everything. Everything we thought we knew. And then salvation is described as I do not know the thing I am, what I'm doing, where I'm going or how to look upon myself which sounds like a very, you might say, open, unknowing mind and then salvation will return to the mind that has realized it's completely wrong about everything. It's like there's an opening and it is to this clean, unsealed, open mind that truth returns exactly as it is. So I think it's best not to try to find an answer to your question in personal terms because when we look at ourselves as a person we will never be able to understand the world or the human condition but we can stay open in our mind to being shown the most direct pathway to the correction or to the solution and that takes a lot of trust. And that's what you were feeling about that. The problem or the answer you were sharing learning to open up to the answer to focus on if you want to share. Yeah, because a lot of the times when we think of a problem or expressing a problem we think that that problem is something that is a fact and all that we need to do is to try to find a solution but the fact is when we define a problem in our minds it is really more a statement when we define a problem it's not so much a question but a statement and underneath the definition of a problem there are many, many assumptions assumptions of I know that who I am I know what is the best for me I know what this world is about I know that there is an external world something external of me so there are a lot of assumptions that is supporting this question so every time we think of a question or we try to ask a question and try to find an answer there that's why you can see we're really not gonna go anywhere from that perspective so at the mind of course I attached upon it a little bit when we try to analyze a problem we try to do that because we think if I understand a problem fully I will find a solution and it's up to me to find a solution I need to find a way out and it's very, very disorientating to the ego to know that a solution is not up to us actually I remember years ago you actually said you came to UK for a conference and then you came back and you said something to the extent that nobody would understand the course until it's fully awakened so really what we're trying to do here is not try to understand this world not even try to understand the course because the whole way that we think is faulty so it does take a lot of trust for us to let go this temptation to define our problems define our lives and try to find a solution by ourselves the solution is actually given you know David said of course I actually mentioned you have received many answers that you haven't heard so the solutions are given moment to moment to guide us to guide the sleeping mind gradually waking up it's true identity and starting from practical guidance seemingly in this life because the mind is so fixated on this seemingly individual identity and life that's where it starts but all of this guidance and following is really coming back to allow the mind to start to receive the answer the answer the one answer but it seems take many many forms you know that is a habit that we are going to start to practice to form and in the Sermon on the Mount Jesus said judge not and so one of the questions that comes up is how do I go from a judgmental mind into a pristine clear pure expression of light how do I go from an addictive judgmental mind into this pristine pure state of mind that is the Christ it's almost like how do you go from darkness to light and the Holy Spirit is the bridge the Holy Spirit will seem to take the form of a voice not an eternity because there's no voices in eternity that's the ego when the committee meets in your mind you hear the committee meeting you go here we go again and the committee never agrees the committee's got a lot of opinions going on in there and well but be practical think of this and this and this and on the pro side but on the con side the committee is never agreeing but there are no committees in heaven so how do you go from judgment into a pristine state of spirit you go there through the Holy Spirit so it's almost like saying I'm lost but Holy Spirit you are with me in my mind and now you will take the form of giving me your judgments so that I can reach above to a state of pure non judgment so what are the Holy Spirit's judgments if the judgments are the bridge from an addicted judging mind to Holy Spirit judgments to non judgment the Holy Spirit's judgments are your guidance go here go there call so and so write this down that's the specific guidance the Holy Spirit taking specific form to reach the complicated ego mind and send judgment entirely so instead of just thinking that you should be still you should be quiet you should have a quiet mind when you follow the workbook lessons it is clearing the debris away so you can follow the guidance of the Holy Spirit the only purpose of course the miracles is to even touch with your internal teacher and that's why in a course in miracles it said this course is a beginning and not an end so you don't have to think I'm going to be working with this course all my life you can be thinking I'm just going to work with this course until I'm in touch with my internal teacher then I'll go on with my next level of lessons you see you're not tied to a book you're actually going to use a book to become highly intuitive to be highly in touch with your higher self and that's when it gets quite enjoyable because a lot of the parables that I share and Francis shares we share are parables to inspire and bless that are very practical that still seem to do with dealing with the symbols of the world it's still if you're given a teaching function or a travel function like we've been given there are lots of experiences with people and organizations and venues and airlines and railways and buses and all kinds of things that then can become inspiring parables that let's you know that you can live a life of ease and flow even relating to the world seemingly the world but the more that you follow the guidance the less you feel like you're in the world more like you're dreaming it like you're watching it which is wonderful a lot of us have had experiences dreaming and isn't a lucid dream a lot of fun you may have a dragon or a monster in front of you and you just are so happy because you know you're dreaming the monster and you're not at the mercy of the monster it's very empowering that's the result of guidance that's the result of practicing the guidance and so for me that's been the most important thing and the most convincing thing with the Course has been 30 years ago the Course came into my life and then about 25 years ago is when Jesus said okay now let go of your career let go of your jobs let go of everything in your life you are mine now and we're going on an adventure and I will lead you I will tell you where to go what to do who to meet I will give you practical guidance and so to me that's when things really kicked into gear 25 years ago where I wasn't just reading and studying the book I was like okay I'm here, you guide I will follow because getting in touch with your internal teacher will bring you into that place of willingness to be guided through experiences that show you that you're the dreamer of the dream that show you that you are not at the mercy of the world that you are dreaming the world which is very empowering and no one will wake up from the dream until they have an experience of being the dreamer you cannot wake up from someone else's dream so if you have believe you have an enemy or an arch enemy it's always bothering you you're never going to wake up from their dream they're just a figure in the dream they were just acting out agreements giving you an opportunity to forgive the grievance they never did anything to you they were simply acting out what you believe you did to yourself now earlier the idea came up of sin how does sin relate to all this sin we know from the Aramaic is missing the mark not some kind of black mark on your soul it's just missing the mark and the belief that you can separate from God comes down to a question of authorship and the question is this am I the author of myself or was I authored by God is God my author or do I author myself if God is the author I am spirit because God is spirit and God authors in spirit if I am the author of myself it's like saying to God hold on there I want to make myself up the way I want to be I want to try out being male female, masculine, feminine I want to try out being this culture, that culture all of what we call reincarnation what's under reincarnation is the belief that I can be the author of myself and keep remaking myself and reinventing myself over and over and over again in form and you see that's the core issue who is my author and if some of you watch my YouTube I do have a YouTube titled who's your daddy that's what I'm talking about in that video who is my creator on earth as a human being it seems like we have physical parents but we have a divine parent who authors us in spirit and we can't be both physical and spiritual one is temporary and one is eternal so you see that's the core issue in the mind is really who is my author who is my creator who is my source and when it gets confused on the horizontal level like with mom and dad there's going to be guilt who among us haven't had grievances with our parents we think of teenagers saying sometimes to their parents why was I born why did you even have me and bring me into such a crazy world you see the guilt gets projected in terms of the flesh but the solution goes it goes way down into the mind so this is the core issue it's really an identity issue every time you have an upset of any kind it's really am I the author of myself or was I authored by God and Jesus the way shower you might remember from the bible where Jesus said why do you call me good this is Jesus Christ speaking why do you call me good God he always was pointing back to the author he was always pointing to the author he was never pointing to a personal sense of self he was always pointing back at the creator and that's humble that's appropriate Jesus even says all is not an appropriate emotion with me all should be reserved only for God and there was a time when Helen Schuchman went into a Catholic church and Bill came in and they were kneeling down in the church in the pews and everything and suddenly Jesus appeared and Jesus came down to where they were kneeling and he kneeled down beside Helen and Bill isn't that beautiful it's like washing the feet of the apostles Jesus is with us he's like us in every way except for one and that's time he's accomplished he's transcended time but he's equal with us in every way and when we transcend time we go ha for me I've been the Christ all along but I was simply sleeping and I forgot who I was and who offered me I'm not sure I want that how many others are there I have them I want what you've got and you don't see it but all the course teachers have seen it for years you don't really see it really embodied and carry lived so much do you think it might be all like that first of all I teach there's only one of us so it's not like some bodies have got it and some bodies don't the persons don't wake up it's like a state of mind that sees we're not persons and never have been persons and so it's very natural it's very friendly it's very humble it's very inviting it's playful it's cheerful it will sing songs it's just so glorious and yet it cannot be attached or attributed to a body anybody and even with Jesus there's a couple places in the course where Jesus comes out and says forgive me your illusions and people have he's speaking in the first person and they're going wait a minute I mean I can see if my mother said forgive me or my child or whatever but Jesus Christ he shouldn't be saying that Jesus shouldn't be saying forgive me I'm getting a little concerned when Jesus says forgive me all he's really saying is forgive the man forgive the apostles forgive Mary Mary Magdalene forgive all of history is the living Christ when he says forgive me he's saying now you've got to pull it off of the character of Jesus even because the Jesus was a man and we know that Christ is not a man or a woman and we know that Christ is a pure idea in the mind of God it's not masculine or feminine so we have no reference point except to say okay I will let that go too I will not pin you to a man that lived 2,000 years ago some of you know that they keep coming out with Jesus movies we've had the greatest story ever told and Jesus of Nazareth and last temptation to Christ and all these Jesus movies recently we've had a couple we've got one very recently called the young Messiah which is amazing you start to see a young Jesus with these amazing miraculous powers and that's pretty good but then right before that there was a risen and the scene that I remember from risen was a Roman centurion was trying to find the body of Jesus is questioning the apostles they find Mary Magdalene they find the apostles at one point this Roman centurion is really questioning this apostle where is Jesus where is Jesus they are trying to find the body of Jesus to prove that he's dead and he doesn't live and finally the apostle just looks at the Roman centurion and says if I tell you the truth will you let me free and the Roman says yes where is Jesus he has to know where is the body of Jesus and the apostle finally looks at the Roman in the eyes and says he's everywhere he flies out the door and the Roman says look he's everywhere with glee he's everywhere in other words don't worry about the body of Jesus Jesus the Christ is everywhere and that is what you're wanting to tune into you want to tune into that feeling like it's everywhere it's unstoppable it's radiant it's glorious so ultimately I would say a good teacher will will teach him or herself out of a job in other words in this world we have teachers and we think that they have careers but ultimately the purpose of teaching is to teach yourself out of a job to teach yourself into an experience of who you are out of words and out of time and so we encourage everyone to link in and join in like you're doing right now like all I hear you saying is this is everything this is everything to me and we're like yes isn't this we're rejoicing yes this is everything and then all we can do is share from our hearts what the spirit sharing through us what worked what was our focus what did we give our attention to and what did we pull our attention away from you can't convince anybody there's no one to convince and so that's another aspect of awakening or enlightenment is you reach such a state of contentment and joy that you realize there's nobody and no thing to convince it's like you rest in God you rest in an experience and to do that you have to have a desire for it and you have to give yourself permission to let go of all egoic responsibilities and that is one of the keys we can talk about because the ego has made up a whole world of false responsibilities to keep you from your one responsibility of accepting the atonement how many of us have given ourselves time to pray and meditate to take it easy and the more relaxed we get and the more joyful and loving we feel that there's this other voice in our mind that comes in and says come on, quit messing around and do some work why don't you be productive and get off your lazy ass you see this voice is so terrified of stillness and rest that it's going to try to counter our permission to be still with this false sense of you owe this you owe this you're responsible for this you're responsible for that and that's probably one of the greatest temptations that has to be faced is this sense of false responsibility so that's been something in our lives I know I've had to face it for Francis as well I was telling a group recently I said if you had like a thesaurus or a work glossary or dictionary of awakening you could put Francis' picture smiling face next to the awakening because she saw the road before her which was stepping out of the pursuit of all the things the world says you should pursue and she just said no thank you because Francis was was married she had her own business she was successful as the world judges successful it's the thing that the 7 billion are going towards you know like this piece of cheese at the end of the rainbow that you're supposed to like work hard for decades and hope hope that you get there she already was there at that point but there was an emptiness inside there was success there was an emptiness academic success financial success success of career married properties it was like ding ding ding ding as the world would say you've hit you've rang the bell all the things that you're supposed to bring the bell on and coming to the heights of that success there was an emptiness and something is missing even though I've achieved it accomplished and I've attained as the world would say there's something that's still not satisfied as the British poet Mick Jagger once said I can't get no satisfaction for something still even with all the success that was still not satisfied then the journey begins in earnest because then the pursuits are no longer going to be there then comes the pursuit of going inside and the pursuit takes a lot of dedication and commitment because I can tell you every step along the way the ego will come in in some form to say don't keep going because you have responsibility in this world and I remember I lose count so many times along this pathway this kind of responsibility comes up and when I was still believing that it came with a lot of guilt because one of the examples that I can remember right now is when I chose to leave Australia and come to to the United States to practice this way of living full time my mother just got the approval to live in Australia with like equivalent of a green card to live with me for the rest of her life from China I went through this two years of application process and right before I was about to go she got approval and she was about to pay because of her age the government, the Australian government requested that she pay $20,000 and as a guarantee then she can go if she let that go she probably never had the chance to get it again you know so she was telling me I want to live with you we went through this for two years do I pay this $20,000 or not if I don't I'll never be able to live with you again are you sure this is what you're doing aren't you are you certain you'll never come back I wasn't I didn't know I was going into the unknown I had no clue of where this pathway was leading there was absolutely no guarantee and with all of these questions in the mind there's no guarantee and the guilt and the responsibility all that I could say was I can make decisions on your own don't count on me that's the only thing I can say that's the only thing I can say is don't count on me make the decision for yourself because I'm making decisions now to go for my happiness and I'm going to be responsible for the choice that I'm making so you can be responsible for the choice that you're making too so she did, she paid and she hasn't but the thing is I can't remember how many times I was trying to convince her to believe in what I was doing and the more I was trying to do that the more frustrated she got to the extent she really wanted to bring me to a psychiatrist check my mind there was no point that I could you know convince her but just as I become I just thought okay I give up convincing the world to agree with me or convincing her or to ease my guilt I have to commit to my own responsibility about my mind I have to change my mind and dedicate to that so so over the years the more I'm dedicated to my mind I keep going the more certain I become in my own mind then she started to reflect that she really started to reflect that and I remember there was one point we met again and she came to visit me somewhere and she was so like riveted by the peace that she felt with me she was like what have you been doing can you tell me exactly what you have been doing because you changed you changed I don't know I can't describe yes you changed then I sent her the airport I was standing there and helped her check in and then she wrote email to me she said you know they upgraded me to business class because of you I said I didn't do anything I didn't even speak I just stood there she said no it's you it's you it's you and she was so surprised over the years now she's at the point she said can you be my teacher but really what are we teaching I can't really teach her with my words but the more that I'm dedicated to my only responsibility she reflects that so immediately with this this dedication to reflect okay thank you for being peaceful thank you can you teach me that is how the world works really they reflect back our dedication they reflect back our devotion so it's really because yes recently actually I was talking to a friend and she was basically talking she had a lot of emotions because there was some kind of argument that she was involved in and she was saying you know she was made wrong and she felt guilty and she didn't know what to do to get out of this emotion because she felt so guilty and why this person keep making her wrong is a question of do I want to know the problem or do I want to know the answer because I said well so when you were made wrong and when you feel guilty your mind is calling for love right she said yep yep my mind is calling for love but he was like okay your mind is calling for love and the only thing the only solution for call for love is love you agree yep yep and the only way that we can bring the awareness of love to our mind is by giving it like okay yeah so it becomes very simple because she has been going through a long time of allowing the emotions coming up so she she has no problem she is not suppressing it but after we have been really allowing the emotion to come up it started to become a practice to accept the answer you know the problem will be how to stop this from happening whose fault it is but the answer is the only solution to a call for love is love and the only way to bring it back is by extending it so the best question in that moment instead of why do you make me feel this way how do I stop you what is your motivation is how can I start extending love in this moment what is truly helpful because when we perceive someone call for love or we perceive someone extending love they have the same effect on us the ego wouldn't say that the ego would say that's the opposite effect because someone extending love make me happy someone calls for love through projections, through anger, through attack make me feel hurt so it's opposite but the Holy Spirit says no, they have the same effect the same effect is they give you an opportunity to allow love to your awareness and to because of that all your brother demands gratitude and if that is clear there is really no difference there is no need to define specific problem it is in this moment how can we remember the solution and give that solution over and over again that's a practical application of accepting the answer it does take practice the mind is having a momentum of jumping into the questions but that is that's going to be our practice we just were in Portugal last week we met a friend two years ago and this friend just started a business with a machine called the quantum machine and she just started a month ago and she said well we can do a session so she hooked the machine to us it's very interesting because the machine supposedly is reading all your problems on the screen and I was lying there and a friend she was reading it she was taking a long time reading it and there was no explanation and she said okay it's all fixed and it's like such a symbolic scenario because to a mind that wants to know what is wrong this machine is not going to be very popular can you tell me what's the problem I can find the solution on my own and her approach is you don't need to know it's all fixed now so when we're having a good laugh afterwards saying what a beautiful example and symbol you know we don't need to know the problem because they're not really understandable anyway let's focus on okay solutions and solutions to me that's the fun of joining I love to accept invitations and Ian Patrick invited me over here and I've come over to England a number of times and just thoroughly enjoyed myself and then getting to be at these conferences with Nick and Anne I just said oh they're so wonderful on such humor oh this is so I would love and then we have dinner and oh yeah you'll have to come to our center sometime there's the invitation naturally it flows from a sense of connection and joy and love then invitation spring forth naturally spring the Holy Spirit in us that is doing that and then sometime we'll have to do that and then this is seemingly the fruition of that loving invitation and of course if you know with Nick and Anne this is basically an extension of their life they have a house and a community that's been going on and this for we just discovered last night it's like the oldest one it goes back before the miracles network they started they've been at this for a long time it's a lifetime of devotion and these natural invitations come forth from that heart and then it's very natural for me to accept invitations and collaborate this is like a quantum collaboration all of us are collaborating we've all chosen to be part of this quantum experience of all of us here together in this love and this presence and really that's a practical answer to what you were asking for really calling for this is our life this isn't this isn't like an activity that we do on the side everything our mind is devoted to this every second of every day even in dreams at night you know we have some interesting dreams but it's all centered around the purpose of awakening and the way it's played out for us just like with Nick and Anne really it's a devoted community right here in this area we have traveled and we meet people and we also have centers and people come maybe to take a retreat or to take some silence or to do some workshops or sometimes it's more of an extended stay we're all inviting and being invited and accepting invitations into an experience and it's the spirit that's behind it Jesus is arranging time and space for all of us we're calling on truth and love and time and space is being rearranged for us to experience that truth and love there's really nothing personal going on we can't really nobody can claim credit for it in a personal way because it's a vast plan one time Helen Shuckman who was the scribe of the course you know she was a research psychologist and she was starting to learn about Jesus through his dictations and Edgar Casey and so here was a research psychologist and Bill as well they were looking into things like reincarnation and astrology and different things like that which is beyond their academic training but at one point you know when Helen started devil and astrology she decided to ask Jesus she said I don't get this astrology thing she said to Jesus I don't understand how these stars and constellations you know have anything to do with human behavior in the lives of human beings can you give me a little bit of an insight on that and basically Jesus said yeah your mind is moving all those human beings on the planet around and behind that it's moving all the stars and planets around well I read that I just about fell off my chair I'm just reading the passage I almost got knocked off my chair because his explanation was so empowering like wow there's really just one of us and all of these bodies are moving around and what we think constellations and the astrological constellations are intimately tied in to our lives because it's all part of the projection and there's one mind that's moving at all well that's very empowering if you just begin to go with that and you start to say wow that means it's really all working together for my good that means that nothing has ever really happened against me that everything that seemed to occur was always happening for me that there's a divine plan behind all of this that's always working together for my good whether I'm aware of it or not there's a blessing behind everything practically speaking we invite I mean as soon as Francis had this experience of coming for a week I did a week retreat up in New South Australia she was just like okay this is my life I'm putting everything into this I'm going to go completely into this and then she had the means to she just started to look on the internet to see where I was teaching this country, that country, here, there this and that she was showing up at all the gatherings show up here, I'm in this country there she is again there she is again you see that's how one of her steps was she just felt a strong resonance and connection so she just thought I'm going to go participate in that actively participate and she had the means to do that and then at some point she came over to Monastery of course the Miracle's Monastery that we have in Utah and even that was like an immersion because it was going off to a far off land and going out to a desert in Utah that's interesting from your life in Sydney and now you're off to a desert in Utah doing God knows what out there but feeling a resonance feeling like that was where the invitation was and feeling a draw to it and that's the way that it works we follow the steps we follow the invitations and we see that there are invitations that are there for us if we stay open we just follow those happy invitations I never planned to travel in 40 countries I just kept getting invited by happy people I mean how do you say no to that you know really it's like happy invitation okay have you ever been there? No it's a happy invitation so then I answered a lot of happy invitation and I followed and then that was part of me getting happier and happier and then the funny thing about happiness is when you start to really get happy for no earthly reason people want to hang out with you people want to live with you they're in your living room 25 people in your living room before you know it and start living with you and you're like wow I never saw that one coming but I do feel happy and they seem to be getting pretty happy too and so you start to realize there is a plan of happiness there is a plan of joy happiness attracts happiness and the more happy you get the more happiness it keeps growing and growing and you never planned it that way at all none of us grew up talking to our parents about at the dinner table okay pass the peas happiness parents are like yeah that's the only reason you're here is to become happy don't worry about your grades job no don't you have to get a job be inspired be inspired be joyful marriage children well that's okay but be happy you know the most important thing is to be happy imagine if we if our parents had been saying that the Holy Spirit has been telling us that the whole time for millennium we've been told we're here to be happy we're here to experience divine ease joy that's that small still voice in our mind that's always been there for us we can ignore it or we can listen to it and when we listen to it it's like it sparks and triggers a momentum in us that just leads to step so really it's quite easy you know when we are open to it the invitations come and even though our past conditioning would have us refuse some of these we begin to say yes to the invitations and what I've found is there's many invitations I simply was saying no to a lot of the invitations and Jesus was like wouldn't you stop that it's me I keep giving you plenty of invitations why don't you say yes and accept that it's me inspiring you it's nothing personal that's going on so our invitation is truly a big yes we invite through what seems to be these kind of public gatherings through many many tools on the internet literally hundreds and thousands of hours of resources that are sprinkled all over the internet and people do find them and engage in them and have a good time with them and we love that that's why we put them there so people would be sparked we can extend the same thing that we feel oh comfort comfort time and David and Bob Rowan bought everyone some chocolate rich chocolate so thank you to David you can share share that with your comfort gold bars chocolate so feel free it can be a restroom break chocolate break a little bit of everything