I guess it's about your little it's fine. No, it's fine. No, it's fine. Yeah, it's like you've ruined it no more. I don't even know if I want to talk about it anymore. So what? Yeah, I'm just I'm going to go away now. Star Wars, the Trek and forces. Wait, that's that's the what about who's who's losing more right now? Track or Doctor Who? I mean, like money or viewership or quality, I guess. Who in total? Oh, my view is by quality, God knows. I have to imagine Doctor Who in the UK. I think they've they've dropped well below four million viewers now. Is that like an old? Yeah, they that's what I heard, which is atrocious.   Like, yes, yes, it is. Oh, that happened. I wonder. I can change all of my settings for EFAP again when it's started up, all the things I changed are now back to not being the way I wanted them. Just use stream yards, man.  Never works properly. You're not actually wrong about that.  How do you find it reliable? I know the fandom men is mostly use it. Yeah, it's fine. I mean, it's like, you know, in terms of like ease of use, like, couldn't be couldn't be better. I've never had a crash on me or anything like that or slow down. So when that yeah, I just remember when when we did a stream and all you could see in the window was like the corner of the browser window.  Well, at least that stream went well. It's all good. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I got I got I need like a little bit of a few minutes to fix this. So if you can just count talking about like Stonkrack or whatever. But we tried we tried to do that.  Well, now we have to talk about this. Now we have to talk to you to fill air if the stream isn't live. Can I? Yeah, I guess we can talk about, I don't know. Y'all keep your phone in your front pocket or your bad pocket from pocket. Yeah, always in my left front pocket for some reason. It just feels natural that way. Mine's always in my right. Because I always keep like loose change and stuff in my right one. Guess because I'm right handed and I can reach through it. I don't know. Oh, about that. There we go. Rags, give us your insight into the great phone. Yeah, the back pocket. Yeah, go for it, Rags. Yeah, I normally keep mine in my back pocket. I don't know what that just just sort of do it. I worry that someone will sneak up behind you and rob you sometimes. And I will transition it to my front pocket. Every once in a while, but not normally. But so what kind of people do you find yourself around where you make that transfer? Oh, black people. We always knew that about you. Yeah, on a more serious note, though, about Star Trek, I'm not actually in any way connected to it. But maybe one day, maybe one day, me and Rags can go through the entire thing. How about that, Rags? You've been sitting there. How about that? Which ones? All of the ones. Just just watch TNG on the context of that video that they put out. I did. I actually didn't see that. It's all the biker that you need. But some crackers in there. I just I love wharf just stood there, like dressed in like Robin Hood clothes. Like, I am not a merry man. But yeah, I just I keep hearing bad things about Picard. I'm like, what am I going to hear good things about a modern version of a thing? You know, the point I raised in one of my videos was right. See with Picard now, in terms of what they've done with his character, you know, if you substitute his vineyard for like the shitty island that Luke lives on and, you know, his wine for like that green alien to e-milk, then he is basically Luke Skywalker from like the last Jedi. You know, he's he's a guy who used to be awesome. And now he's this kind of sad old man who has had something bad happen and then just kind of gave up on life. I thought it was really funny in the in the the RLM video where they show that clip where he's like, oh, I'm not an actor. Like, I couldn't possibly like the newest episode. He's like a pirate. Yeah, a Russian pirate.  Right. Yeah. That that was that was bizarre.  You know, it's just a chance for him to just put himself into bizarre situations without any real like thought for character consistency or anything. They're they're bringing back more of the characters from what I've heard as well. Right. Like more of the classic ones from TNG to get these episodes going.   But she and Picard never actually met before. Like they've never been on the screen together. So like the idea of them having this reunion just seems totally meaningless. Almost weird, I guess, right?  Yeah, it's like, like, like Ray Ray, like, yeah, let's talk about all these crazy adventures that we had off screen, you know. Do you think Ray ever like sneezes and accidentally force lightnings people to death or something like that all the time, surely? Yeah, no disagreement there. Wait, more as a Star Trek fan. No, no, no, no, no. I don't know anything about it. According to Star Wars facts, that Ray had a holographic tutor on Insider 8080 and that allowed her to learn how to pilot ships. Yeah, that's what I heard. I mean, that is some genius writing like that right there. So the funny thing is I saw that tweet thread, right? So that tweet went out from that account and then someone said, so first of all, apparently it's different comments for being removed and more than one person had linked my video and that got removed from the tweets like hidden by the user. And I was just like, yeah, it's fair enough. So what else said, if this is true, if she lit all of this from like that computer, getting tutorials and stuff, how come she said I don't know when she was asked how she did all of it?   There's a new thing, someone in the Discord was directing me to this video that was like the novelization of The Rise of Skywalker, I guess. Oh my God, imagine that's gone. It's from Kylo's POV when he first meets Palpatine and he says in the book explicitly that you could tell this frail clone body was unable to contain the power of Palpatine or something like that. So apparently, according to the novelization, he's absolutely a clone of Palpatine. Which just raises even more questions. Why should you clone him? Why make such a shitty clone?  He's just got another clone, surely. Because the idea apparently is that his spirit after getting exploded twice, floated down to his clone facility and jumped into one of the clones. And it's just like, why couldn't he just do this forever? It's like, nah, Rey vaporized him. It's like, did she vaporize his soul too? You can't just vaporize his soul. What about all the other clones that he probably has? Yeah, I was waiting for an army explosion. He's probably downloaded into one of those Snoke clones in a jar. It's like, oh, well, that'll do. Yeah.  That's it. Waiting until someone else comes by in 100 years. Keeps him around in that jar. Apparently it's a dark empire that this happened. And I'm just like, some people were saying, like, it works. It works in the... Oh, I've got something messed up in my description. Thank you, Chatter. I will fix that in a moment. People are like, it worked in whatever other vision that they did clones of Palpatine. And I like... Expanded universe that Disney asked. Because they did not copy it without copying it.  Just let him die.  Make a new villain. Do whatever you want.  I don't... There's a lot of problems that come with this. Yeah. Well, when people can just be, you know, resurrected willy-nilly. Like you say, there's no reason to believe that anyone's really dead. Oh, and there's no reason to understand the nature of anyone. Trailer for episode 10. It'll begin with beta breathing. And be like, ah. No. I was just thinking about that Star Wars fact site. I'm sure these were the same people that put out a little infobike on ExoGo, where they're like, did you know that Sith loyalists indoctrinated the population of the planet to become servants? And they're the people who crude the 10,000 Star Destroyers. Like, what? Like, people live there. It's like a barren desert that's in permanent darkness. They collapse. You know, minerals from the minerals. I think my theory is on point.  They all just chow down all kinds of different visions of stokes, no cereal, no soup, no condoms. But if they're from that planet, like, could you imagine what kind of horrifying form life would have to take to survive there? Like, it wouldn't look like a human. Well, maybe they would be like a cave fish or something, like some horrible albino slug thing that's Yeah, but I don't want to help it. There's a want to be no slug fish. I just want to be back to my sexy body. I think it's indicative of how far it's gone when in Red Light Media's review, they were contemplating that the emperor poofed all of that into existence with the force. Yeah. That was their explanation. That's the best they could come up with because of how ridiculous it is. Like, that's where we're at, folks. Yeah. Well, when you're getting to the point where, you know, there's no resource constraints as we understand them. There's no infrastructure for anything. Stuff just appears whenever it's needed. Like, OK, well, there's no stakes for anything then because you can just make anything happen if you need it to. Well, yeah, it's like Ben dies to save Ray at the end. But you'll be back, probably. Yeah, he'll be fine. Death is at the end as we understand. No, there's no if Adam Driver has his way.  I was actually going to say the reason Kyla won't come back isn't because of the narratives because Adam Driver has better things to do. As if the narrative has literally been carried. No, it's not a problem. It's not a problem. We don't have rules or anything. It's fine. Don't worry about it. In fact, I'm glad it happened. And things could just happen.  And yet there are people out there who have made videos in defense of this movie. And that is how I'm segueing into in establishing. Welcome to EFAP 70 number six. We're making it. I actually checked. We're still on track for episode 100 being the two year anniversary of 77. I can't believe we made it. Oh, is it 77?  We made it three fourths of the way to a million. I don't think that's how that works, but I'm going to agree with it now because I didn't take math, math, egg and bison tenial episode of EFAP. We're octogenarians now. Did you know the mathematics in Welsh is math, math, egg, math, math, egg. Yeah. Because they use eggs to count. You know, so it's just became a shorthand of. I think it's the easiest way to look at it, right? You just go so one egg plus another one egg equals, you know. Simple. But do you know that some animals can count? Some animals can count. I mean, some potatoes can. Um, I think I saw a video of like a swan counting its children, I think. And someone was like, can swans count? And it's almost like, I think they can. They're going to take over. That's just the first step. Counting its children. Really? It's like, they were born with. Yeah, if swans figure out how to fly, we are boned.  Oh, my God.  Yeah. You know, you're in trouble. Like a lot of that thread. We're talking about that. Like, I think there's a subreddit for it, too.  They get really angry ones. Swans are both dicks. Yeah, they are because there was this, uh, like baby one that was stuck in some kind of fence and a guy was trying to get it out. Unlike the parent was just like, bruh, I started to attack him. He was just like, hey, I got. Geez, like trying to chill.  It is new, nutritious and good for you. I know, calm down.  And they'll decide that wherever you are is where they want to be.   You're going down, son. And I just wondered, like, would that be a similar situation with swans? Like you try and hit it and it's just going to like bounce off it. You suggest that we should watch a swan fight a kangaroo. I'd love it. Yeah. I think that's going to be someone needs to make that happen. He humanity.  I'll start with our brand new guest, Mr. Tldr. I'm assuming that's how you like to go by unless you have one of them human names. Well, it's normally just Tldr. Tldr it is. It depends how lazy you are about announcing it.  I guess I'll go with Tldr. There you go. Hello, that sounds like a Welsh word. Does it, though? Tldr, Tldr, Tldr. Mathematic. Mathematic. You got to do the Welsh accent. If you're going to say it, you're going to say. Mathematic. Mathematic. Yeah, we get it. All right. All right. OK. OK. You drink it. You could appreciate this. You've heard the Welsh accent, right? I'm trying to teach these people gradually. It's a really difficult accent to do for some reason, though. I don't know. It's very hard to do that way. No, no, you're not. The Welsh are, you're fine.  There's no denying it. And then everyone gets to watch more, but more Gavin and Stacey who get a feel for the accent. Yeah, I'll do it. That's like one of our biggest exports, probably. Outside of Anthony Hopkins, Christian Bale. They keep us on the map. But yes, welcome to the first ever episode that you've you've been on. I hope you're going to have fun. You prepped for this by checking out some Star Wars. Let everyone know what you thought of the sequel trilogy. How do you enjoy the Star War? I wish I was dead. Hmm. Well, he loves it. It's like the standard reaction I see. Yeah, I suppose I should explain for the audience. I saw the rise of Skywalker for the first time on Thursday. And then in preparation for this, I watched the entire sequel trilogy today. And now I have no will to continue living.  Oh, no. Well, I think that that would actually be pleasant by comparison.  That would be preferable to watching the sequel trilogy. See, we spread our misery out over three years, you know, just watching each of these as it hit the theaters. And yeah, you've you've taken it all in one go. That's EFAB is just like a health group, you know, a support group of recovering from what Disney have done. Oh, my goodness. Just discuss our our traumas. Like, what did they do? They destroyed Luke. Yes. Yes. They destroyed Hyperdrive. Yes. They destroyed the force. Yes. Yes. Oh, sorry. So it's like they destroyed Jar Jar. It's like, oh, well, no, he's he's fine. He'll be fine. And now. Hooray. I don't know how long Jar Jar will last. I think I would actually rather watch a Star Wars story, Jar Jar than Rise of Sky. I woke up. I think it would actually be better.  I'm actually kind of Jar Jar story. I mean, would you? Yeah. It would just be the official backstory for him where he goes and becomes a children's entertainer and dies of depression. You remember the popularity of that that idea that he was Snoke, right? And they were trying their best to justify it. It's like, I actually, like, unironically think if they had gone with that, it would have been a better written story than what we got. Jar Jar was Snoke. And I would have described them as like so bold to do something like that. Like, that truly that really would have severed my expectations.  You don't have to work hard if you subvert expectations. Oh, yeah, that's true. It all just sort of turns off at that point. You know, skill. But what can you do, I guess? This is the world we're in. Stop complaining, everyone. Just eat your slop. It's just a movie about space wizards for children. It's true. What even like has been coming out recently? We're still waiting for the year to pick up on me. I'm in movies, but yeah.  And it's starting to get really weird. Like, I feel like I should review Parasite. I just can't get around to it like. Why do you hate Asians?  Oh, no, I don't really. Oh, it's going to be an interesting conversation. But I think it's not the ideal viewing experience. But, you know, it's enough to get by with if it's a good movie. Yes, ideally, it's best to just know all languages. Yeah, if we can just sort that out. Get around to that at some point might be right. Is that universal translator? One day, one day. Yeah, I suppose no reason not to get started if unless anybody else wants to talk about anything in particular, because I have now done setting everything up. Talked about the card. We talked about we did. Do we really have to talk about Rise of Skywalker? Can't we talk about just anything else? We can. Like the state of municipal storm drains or something. Go for it. I want to hear you take on municipal storm drains. Well, my opinion is on municipal storm drains. They were pretty good initially, because obviously a lot of the sewer system in the UK came from sort of the 1900s after the Industrial Revolution allowed for large scale brick manufacturing. And of course, the way that the storm drains and well, the entire drainage system at the time was constructed. It was arranged around a projected population. And we have now far exceeded that projected population, which means in the next few decades, there's either going to have to be a lot of work done at taxpayer expense underneath very heavily developed, residential and business areas. Or we're going to start seeing a lot more backups and drain problems. May even start contaminating drinking water. I'm pretty concerned about that. What would you say the the heyday of municipal storm drains was? You know, if you had to pick a decade where they were really nailing it. Oh, probably 1910. I think maybe 1920. So they're well past their peak then. Absolutely. It goes to show how long they've lasted, though, right? At least there's like some steady workmanship. It's like the what is it, the 1911, the gun that's been in like service for the longest time out of all guns, I think. Braggs, you know. Yeah, thank God we can talk about something else. I found this topic really grating. Hey. Funnily enough, the first video on the docket is actually it is about stalls, but it's also like I'm afraid Braggs and I have seen this one already because it's kind of infuriating. But it's from Wisecrack and they are going to argue why we should be nice to the Star Wars sequel trilogy. And their argument is going to surprise. All right, it will surprise. It's going to be fun stuff. So I'm going to give you all the link in a moment once Watch Together behaves. All right, there you go. Teal dear, have you used Watch Together before? Do you know if it works? It sounds like something I've used. I assume you go in there and you can watch things at the same time as other people. Yeah, we share the pause button. We don't share the volume. You can set yours to whatever you want. So obviously you pause it, pause for all of us, that sort of thing. Very useful. The show is not sponsored by Watch Together, though we would accept their patronage because they're wonderful. The show is sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends. They also hate Star Wars. Braggs, we will be the last people on this earth that are not sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends if we have to be. OK, that's going to happen. The revolution begins here. It's infecting every YouTuber I watch. It's like eventually they're just like, well, Quinta did it recently. And I think like he was posting on Twitter about those people being like, you sold out to Raid Shadow Legends. He's like, what? It's hilarious because like it's just the people. I think it's it's it's associated now as a thing that you shouldn't shill for, I guess, because it's shilled for so much. Yeah, the only one I've been offered recently that I actually quite liked was World of Warships. And I was like, man, I actually like the idea of my own battleship. Quite good. I'm going to see if there's anyone play Raid Shadow Legends like in On the Planet, I mean, wait, it's a game I've heard. Anyone in chat? Do you play it? Is it a lie? Does no one play it? Is it just actually a thing? Is it just Russian bots? Is that it? It's bad. I'm way. I wanted Jay to review it. He said he would. Nope. No, no. Apparently, Jay has played it, though. No, I did. Oh, there is someone. So how much money did you end up having to use microtransactions to make it work?   Oh, great. When you've been tricked into that circle, that's what you're in trouble. You need to reevaluate like why you even play games in the first place. Like, I don't know. I that's like, you know, if you go straight to the end cinematic go to theater by ticket for a movie.   That sounds pretty good. If it's a Disney Star Wars movie, I would take that off. Yeah, that's money was spent. Hey, that's a I saw someone in in chat ask it. I'm going to I'm going to do a variation of the question. Let's say Star Wars Episode 10 was coming out and the trailer looked awful and that they brought back Vader, all this other stuff. And then Disney emailed you. And this this applies to the whole panel here to show for the movie. How much would they have to offer before you'd say yes? More than my channel is actually worth because I would lose like ninety eight percent of my subscribers. I think what do you reckon? I mean, it depends on what the show is, I guess. So they go in full throttle. You have to say, I love this movie. I've had an early screening. It's incredible. The writing is impeccable. They take this they respect the everything about Star Wars fully. They fix all the problems. They appreciate the fans. The acting is amazing. Every every element of filmmaking is amazing. What would it take for you to say that? I don't think I don't think any amount of money could, honestly. Yeah, I would just say no. I'd be like, nah, I'll be fine.  It's like, no, I think my integrity is worth more than anything you do. One thing I will say is if they offered something like one point two billion, you can actually be like, depending on your contract, you can do it and then be like, right, I'm going to go and invest this in all kinds of like charities and to help the world in really significant ways if you get to that level of money. And I think what I would have to do is I would have to take the bullet and say, I want everything. I want full control of everything forever. So I could literally like all of your stock, everything. The entire company is my review. Yeah, because that way it could be like, right, that's it. Now I am shutting down your your Star Wars vision. You are not allowed to do anything ever again. Just that I would use it to destroy Disney. And everyone could hate me as much as it was. But at least after that, I could be like, look, guys, I'm so sorry. But it was in service of the greater good. Just. Yeah, I think that's why I would be like Thanos at the end of Infinity War.  It would be it's like, you know what I have to do here? You have to give me a thing. I'm going to rend your company down to the final atom. I sure as hell, except if they made me CEO of Disney afterwards, I'd be like, oh, we're going to make some changes. Lads, here we go. It's like every single remake of Disney classic movies would put them on hold. It was like, oh, no, I'd be like, but I heard them. I read some place that for this Mulan remake that they were taken like Shang's character, the love interest guy. They're splitting him into two different characters because they feel like Disney feels in the age of me, too. And having a female with a like a superior that's also a love interest just wouldn't be appropriate for these times. So they're just turning his character into two completely different characters now. Hurray. This this movie's just got wind written all over it. Like they finished filming it. Or is it being filmed now? Well, the trailers, I so I assume it's it's done filming. Because like this might go down as like it's something of a if it fucks up enough, it'll finally make Disney bleed in the remakes department because they're always bleeding all over the place with Star Wars. The MCU is on rocky ground, but the the Disney originals being remade seem to be like immune to losing money, but this one could be the one. Well, I mean, the original wasn't a big success, was it? Like that was one of their their few failures was Mulan. Was it? I mean, I don't I don't think it made like much money for them back in the day. So you basically got a live action remake of a movie that wasn't particularly popular to begin with. And now you're you're woken fine as well. So it doesn't really scream like success to me. You know, it could be another fun one going back to the shilling for the new Disney. Saying in your contract, I said, if anything else, I want you to make a remake of Song of the South and be completely true to the original, don't change anything. Don't change anything. No, that's slavery. See what would happen. So Mulan's budget was 90 million and it made 300 million. So, yeah, it's that's probably low for Disney standards, I guess. But I guess it still made a profit. It's just, yeah, it'll be interesting to see how it does. I don't know what to find out. Yeah, I need to I want to find out if Lady and the Tramp like lost some money or anything like that, because the reviews for that. Remember that that just sort of flew under the radar. It's just sort of disappeared. And it's kind of ridiculous that it's out. Like, yeah, but it it was not reviewed very well at all. And it looked terrible based on the trailer that I saw. But I think it's like a Disney Plus thing. So I'm not sure. Oh, yeah, I guess if it's Disney Plus, do they release like budget and, I don't know, anything really about I'm trying to find it now. And it's like, well, it used to be like direct to DVD sequels kind of thing. Yeah, I wonder if like all of that is actually not stuff we can find out. I'm really surprised they wouldn't have just tried to release that as a full thing. I guess they really want people to use Disney Plus. They'll release Lady and the Tramp to adventure. It's out in March 24th. I was not even out. Yeah, just under a month and that's coming out. See, we thought it was out. Release date November 12th, 2019. Oh, well, the one I've got says coming soon, March 25th, 2020. Maybe that's coming somewhere else. Lady and the Tramp. Yeah, yeah, in the US, it's November 12th. Yeah, maybe that that is. Oh, yeah, maybe it is the UK, I guess, released. OK, yeah, that's the 25th of March. That's that's when Disney Plus goes live in the UK, isn't it? Ah, that makes sense. Right. So yeah, so I guess it was limited by that. We've already been underwhelmed over here, but now you can look forward to it. Hooray. Let's watch it. I am excited. It'll be great. Yeah, I guess we can we can begin watching this wonderful video. Then it'll be so this is called Star Wars Anapology. Don't. I'm sorry, I feel like I have. I think that they have a lot to apologize for. I agree. Oh, yeah. Well, I like this video for this make sure it's working for everybody. This video is brought to you. All right. Did that show up for everyone? Yes, this is my favorite part. But this is also wisecrack edition sponsored by honey. I think we've we've we've watched. Is it two wisecrack videos over the course of EFAB? Is either one or two. They have some interesting ideas to put it that way. I think, right? We know one one. It was a Game of Thrones one, wasn't it? And something else was it? It was about the middle. The reason they don't like Game of Thrones is because people like the middle. That was the one with the the ad for the Walking Dead game that they play all the time. And if you get it, then you could play with your favorite YouTubers, which is us. Oh, that's right, Shadow Legends. Also, yeah, a drinker and one of these wisecrack videos, they argue that the reason people didn't like the ending of Game of Thrones is because people don't like it when things end. Like, yeah, that's totally it, guys. You got it. They spent a really long time on it. They talk about like the almost the history of like entertainment to a degree. They even go back to like coliseums and stuff. Their grasp of human psychology is firm. Well, I just like, is it possible that it's just really poorly written? It's like, you know. But yeah, they're going to explain to us why we need to apologize to Star Wars. You guys excited? Can't wait. I'm very excited. Let me actually turn on my AC and I'll be right back. Because it's getting hot. No problem. I'm going to get another drink actually before we start this. An alcoholism drink. Yeah, I've got the cracking out tonight. So you do it. I'm going to have to drink something. All right. I'll leave you alone. All right. I'm ready for ready. No, I had one before I came. I actually don't have any here. I have another drink. I don't have any beers. Should I have some? Well, if you're drinking, then I do. Are you like actually your character? Do you actually drink all the time? Probably more than I should. I like having you on. It gives me an excuse to drink. That sounds awful out of context, doesn't it? Then again, I'm pretty sure rags will give me an excuse to drink one beer. And I feel like I'm several pints of vodka behind him.  Now, I figure with last time I was sick. Now I want to have an EFAP where I am lucid and focused, relatively healthy, where I can really devote myself to just the content we're going through without alcohol getting in the way. Very well. Even though I kind of want to. Oh my God, someone in chat said Iron Man 3 is worse than Captain Marvel. Ooh. That's a hot take. I don't know if I agree with that. Captain Marvel's one of the worst things right together that movie. But no, I don't like Iron Man 3. Anyway, let's kick on. This is going to be wonderful and exciting. Bye, honey. This video sponsored by Insect Bomb. Is there an intro? How could you say that? Hey, Wisecrack, Michael here, ready to appear into the darkest abyss of all. Arguments about Star Wars. The rise of Skywalker burst into theaters. And perhaps unsurprisingly, left public opinion more split than Darth Maul. Like the last Jedi before. See, he got split in half, guys. That's what that reference means. All you Star Wars fans. Why did you? Well, I just feel like most people would know how Darth Maul dies. What a strange edit. It's just like, Drek, we should play the clip. We're Darth Maul is cut in half in case they don't get it. Just in case they forget. I think tells you everything you need to know not about them, about their audience. Super nor we can't just say it. We have to show it because I don't think that they might have seen it. His visual matched the thing he said. That's such good editing. I mean, I've been fine with it. If they just didn't go the clip, they didn't need it. What do I know? For it, the rise of Skywalker seems to be a love it or hated kind of film. Does it? I don't think I've heard anyone say they love this film. There is one person I've seen say I love it. And it's actually one of the potential videos that we might respond to in future. Oh, my God. Well, if it's the second video on the playlist, then yeah, it's one we'll get to in the future. I mean, all videos we get to are going to be in the future, Mahler. What about ones we don't get to? No, all the videos that we're going to get to are going to be in the future. Well, I could be in the past. Why not? Because that's not how time works. Well, technically, they are all in the past because they will already exist. So the videos are actually in the past now. Yeah, you're at school videos that we're going to look at some point in the future that haven't been made yet. They're not yet in the past. So we agree. Everything is simultaneously in the past and future. Just all time is like time is like a river. A flower, a circle.  Sure. And it was hated. Sure. Right. The Skywalker. I think that was just hated or people were apathetic. I don't think anybody loved it. Right. I think apathy was probably the main one. I don't I don't think people vehemently hate it.  Well, way less people love the rise of Skywalker than love the last Jedi. Yeah, for sure. There are still some interesting people who think that the last Jedi is good and they love it. There's only like a month before we saw Rise of Skywalker that we checked out a brand new video talking about how good T.L.J. was. Like they just they'll be making those videos probably till the end of time. Rise of Skywalker people, though, they'll they'll peter out within the next month, probably. Well, unless one of these amazing videos, you know, it has all the reasons why it's true could happen.  Star Wars should be apologizing to an apology is George Lucas. We're going to pay you to apologize on our behalf. It's Jedi before it. The Rise of Skywalker seems to be a love it or hated kind of film. Regardless of which camp you fall into, though, there are probably some choices in the movie that irk you. Maybe it was the new narrative reveals or maybe it was the way the film handled or mishandled the choices of the previous installments. But what if all of these arguments miss the real point? Oh, my goodness. Only us at Wisecrack are smart enough to understand the real issues of the Rise of Skywalker will explain them to you. It's interesting because I feel like he's speaking to both camps right now. Like the the ones that think the film just doesn't make any sense. And the ones that think it contradicts TLJ. Like they're almost the two people he just referenced. And he's like, maybe you're both wrong. It's like you want to take on both of those camps at the same time. OK, you want to be the enlightened, alt centrist, fence sitter that everyone hates. I mean, he's saying that it's actually good. Oh, my. He's on the opposite side of the fence, shouting at us for being, you know, he's going to bring us over, though. We're going to get there. Man's making friends, not as a series of good and bad choices designed to make us eternally rage, but as part of a long storytelling tradition. That is to say, what if we view Star Wars as an epic and could dust it off and King Arthur as a storytelling tradition of producing shit? Hey, man, they've made it a tradition. If we view it as an epic. Well, the first question we all have is like to find epic, please. Well, wasn't that a movie? What, epic? Is that a movie? Yeah, wasn't that like a fairy movie or something? Epic, not a movie about gay people like with like they wrote on like owls and stuff. Fairy movie, like, I don't know. Epic movie, epic movie. Oh, epic movie I've heard of. Yeah, but not the one from 2007. Is which one you tell them about? What is is it the one from 2013? Yes, from 2013. Remember that? I remember like of it. I was called epic movie. Yeah, it was no, no, no, it was called epic. Oh, in low and lower case. Oh, here, here, here. Let me let me paste it right there. You remember this? Yeah, I'm hummingbirds. They were like little elf people. Oh, I didn't even know this existed. Yeah, remember it and don't remember it. Epic. What does it say? A teenager finds herself transported to a deep forest setting where a battle between the forces of good and the forces of evil is taking place. Oh, my God, Jay is in this movie. Oh, my God. Oh, my goodness. Oh, my God.  I'm sorry. Just fucking. Oh, OK. Oh, my goodness. Epic. Jay, Jay, Jay seems on board, actually. It does. At least you at least your colleagues in C.J. So that's my mind. All right, I just I just wanted to rip. I just I don't know if I was it's one of those movies that I almost think is like a figment of my imagination. I was like, did this actually happen? Yeah. Was this a film? Am I just combining like four other movies in my head? It called it epic. You should know better than to use the word epic when being being responded to by EFAP, you know. Brink of you there for that, right? Yes, lestily epic for you. Celestial. Oh, my. Anyway, yes. Just to say, what if we view Star Wars as in epic and could dusting off some King Arthur manuscripts help us finally come to terms with the sequel trilogy as a whole? Let's find out in this while the kid is King Arthur, hold the key to why Star Wars isn't actually King Arthur's going to pay you today. King Arthur, please do. Y'all lost the sex. Please do. I have read the Mabinogi on a few times. Now, please, please link this to that. I feel like this will be a thorough explanation of how King Arthur explained Star Wars. Good movie. Dost sucks, sir. How do you look, dude? Look how their faces kind of line up, though they don't. But look, it's so good on the rise of Skywalker and heads up. Spoiler alert for pretty much all of Star Wars ahead. But I got to give it up to honey. Honey is the free. I got to give it up to honey. Give it up to honey, boy. Look at that. I had to Chrome. It's free. 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I don't know about that. Like, it's kind of hard to be definitive. But if like, if you guys to guess whether or not the prequels or the sequels were better received, which one would you put your money on? Prequels prequels based on merchandise sales, if nothing else.  But, man, my imagination went wild with the prequels. I just I wanted the toys. I wanted the characters. I wanted to know what was up. I was like, oh, it's like a whole new Star Wars. And it's oh, man. In fact, a lot of people will tell you that the Phantom Menace was well received for a while. And Chris Stockman does that thing where he talks about how, like, everybody didn't realize everyone was I think he calls it Phantom Menacing. It's the process of being like you haven't come to terms with how bad a thing is yet or whatever. But if you compare, like, I would give you Force Awakens happily, even though at this point it's kind of diminished. But everyone knows TLJ was incredibly divisive. And then if I can rise a Skywalker, like, that just got shat on by everybody, like, critic wise. They don't like comparatively revenge of the Sith was quite I'm not going to say critically acclaimed, but enjoyed from my perspective anyway. I think the difference is like there really wasn't social media back then like we have now. So it's hard to know how that would have found the flames back then. I think it would have been a bit different how it would have been received, but yeah, I still think the prequels were better received over all than the sequel trilogy. Interesting. But you seem so sure of it. I wonder what the metric he's going by would be. I'm slash wisecrack. Now back to the show. Well, the sequels were generally better received than the prequels. Yeah, I'd be curious to read this article from Screen Rant. Oh, yeah, let's let's get a pause on that, actually. Now back to the show. Well, the sequels. So I linked it in the in the discord. I'm curious if they allow if Screen Rant allows comments.  It doesn't seem like they're citing their own article, unless it has like, you know, Screen Rant. Is that like part of wisecrack? Oh, maybe not. Sorry, I think I think I just saw the color and I was just the color scheme. Yeah, OK, but my second point was going to be it wouldn't even matter if it wasn't this, if the article doesn't actually cite anything metric, I guess, imperial, I should have said. Imperium. What am I looking for? Something that isn't someone thought this empirical. That was empirical. But yes, sorry, Screen Rant. That's they suck, don't they? Are they like the worst? Isn't that so? I think Jay's response. Yeah, I don't even like it's just some rag.  And we're in this this here. Star Wars The Last Jedi is the most divisive movie of the Star Wars saga, mostly because of its choices around certain characters and its writing in general, taking a step away from the script for a moment. It's again clear that this is on another level as a Star Wars film, not since the Empire Strikes Back has the saga been so visually stunning. The throne room action sequence. It's an inventive lightsaber fight with indelible imagery.  It means not able to be forgotten or removed as in like weapons from people's hands in post. I stick with it. Oh, it's a this is this is a bad article based on this one paragraph. I'm calling it. Don't. So what are they? What are they appealing to then as a whole? Just that it's better if we want to look at their little bullet points, I guess, how Disney has caused the prequels reassessment. The Star Wars prequels still have too many problems. And they have Disney's Star Wars sequels are much better movies. And they show a screenshot from the throne scene where Ray is kicking three people with her one foot. It's not just that she also deflects their lightsabers because they kind of all go in at the same time. She parries the blow. So she is strong enough to withstand three guys twice for size, hitting her all at the same time, just with her own strength. And then she kicks them away. The problem is bad enough that they all aimed to the same spot. So the fact that she was able to hold them all there as well. It's like, wow. Well, that's just that's just what you do in melee combat. You actually aim for the other person's weapon. That's how you nail it. Even if the weapons on the floor need to go for that weapon, even if the weapon disappears, which is very common in the Star Wars universe, unfortunately, I just hope it doesn't happen to you at the worst times. That's that's why I guess really bad. But yeah, I think it's safe to conclude that the sequel trilogy has been received worse. And if you wanted to say that's because of social media, I wouldn't even necessarily disagree. I should be like, OK, but it's still the truth, right?  I would want my my elite guards to have like guns. I don't know. Makes sense.  Not to bring up something slightly unrelated, but they do this in Star Trek Picard as well, where there's a character who's got a sword, not even a lightsaber that can deflect laser blasts or whatever, just an actual metal sword. And he's the guy they recruit because they need help. They need someone to fight for them. It's like, can it deflect phases? No, it's just a sword. Like, literally, if you tell it up to a phaser blast, it would just get vaporized along with you. Well, it's cool, though, right? Right. It just it looks cool visually and you get to slice people's heads off with it. So that's that's all that matters. There you go. Those were generally better received than the prequels. They've still attracted in a ray of criticisms. Fans and critics alike have been a lack of originality and apparent disrespect to what came before. Apparent. Apparent. It only seems that way. Guy, it's just that it's an overabundance of fan service and a lack of character development for friends both old and new. This ongoing discourse is manifesting. It's not so much the lack of development as in like subtracting all the development they did. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was funny because Rich Evans described Han Solo in The Force Awakens as he hadn't changed since the end of the OT.  He's a new hope on Solo, but incompetent.  He's kind of crotchety.  And for some reason, he's not even good at his job. People outside of Chewie.  So they're married to part of Chewie to do that. Spends a lot of time inside of Chewie, but that's another matter. Yeah, like I was they regressed him. They gave him counter development, if you want to call it that. And then Luke, they think, whoa, whoa. You want to go there? And then Leia is someone, I guess you could say, kind of stayed the same. I don't know. They just didn't do much with Leia. It's hard to tell. She's got no personality and she does nothing throughout any of the movies. Pretty much. She hugged Chewie once, maybe twice. Yeah, she talked to Hanna, but getting a new jacket. I mean, that was something that happened. Increasingly less impressive box office earnings for each installment of the series. With all that said, it'd be natural. That's insane. It is. It is. Because we could be looking at an alternate universe where, you know, episode nine got like, you know, three to four billion. There's no reason why I couldn't have. The domestic for Star Wars episode nine was only 509 million. I say only. So bad. That's like how much solo earned in total, didn't it? Does it cost like over 300 million? But yeah, from episode five, seven, seven, the Force Awakens, episode nine, the Rise of Skywalker. They basically just cut their earnings in half. And the biggest jump by far was between Force Awakens and TLGA. Yeah, you and that that opened big, didn't it? Because the expectation was there. Oh, yeah, I still remember when I went off a cliff after that. All of us were like, because after finishing the Force Awakens, there was such a like a hope for what was to come in terms of all this new stuff and it all just got executed immediately in the next film.  Anyway, the blurb for the last Jedi here. Rey develops her newly discovered abilities with a guidance of Luke Skywalker.  There's that interview where they they ask Mark Hamill. What? What was it like training Rey in the new film? This is before the last Jedi came out and he was like, maybe I don't even trade it. You don't know. I was just like, oh, my God, because he doesn't. The warning signs were there. Mark was trying to warn us of this. Yeah, I think that if everyone had loved the last Jedi, he probably would have been saying more.  He was probably like, OK, all right, it looks like people understand. I'm going to bow out. It's interesting, interesting to read the rest of the blurb here. It's like she gets trained under the guidance of Luke Skywalker, who is unsettled by the strength of her powers. Yep, that's what passes for character development. Like she's too strong and too awesome for Luke to handle. Do you remember? I just love the point that he's like, I wasn't scared enough there, but but I am now or something like that. It's like, what do you mean?  It's like you're pretty afraid of his power.  I can choke and mess this up. Hope it's so funny if he immediately tried to kill Rey after that training sequence. He was like, you're the next Kylo Red brah. Not again, Luke. It didn't work last time. She becomes dark from that. We're like, oh, I can commit, Luke. What is?  Meanwhile, the resistance prepares for battle with the first order. Like, no, they don't. They're running away the whole time. No, that's they're just preparing for battle. Oh, OK.  They're preparing for the battle of Crete. That's what the whole movie is doing. Yeah, it makes total sense. Less impressive box office earnings for each installment of the series. With all that said, it'd be natural to have a somewhat pessimistic view for the future of the Star Wars franchise with a warring fan base of burned out audience and sketchy corporate overlords. Is Star Wars doomed? We're going to go ahead and say nah, and not just because we're reckless optimists. That's because the so-called problems that have and likely will continue to plague Star Wars aren't new at all. It could even be argued that our biggest complaints about Star Wars aren't flaws. In fact, they're firmly established aspects of epic storytelling. By epic, we not only mean the. How do you even justify this? It's like the floors are good. They're in that's that's just how it works. You're like, what are you? Because I'm saying this, he hasn't made his argument yet, but I'm just like, oh, man, this is going to be tough. It's going to be a tough one. This isn't going to be another one of those other stories have flaws. Therefore, these flaws are fine idiots. Is it? I'm just I don't know if he's gonna be like, you know, in these in these epics, there was lots of plot holes and character contradictions, so it's OK that everyone. Yeah, there there there were, like, especially in the. So there are things that make no sense, and people do just go to some weird places sometimes. So those are these classic stories like these epic tales, like is it not just a result of them the way they were recorded? Like they were they were quite often memorized verbatim. And then, yeah, yeah, a lot, yeah, storytellers, and they would put their own embellishments on it. And what you end up with is a completely, you know, hodgepodge of, like, different variations from from each storyteller. But that's that's not what movies are. Yeah, like that's that's why there's so many not only variations of the stories, but why so many of the epic tales of old are actually very, very similar. There's something it was actually written by I want to say it was young, but there are a few other people who have sort of expanded upon this idea. And the idea is that when stories get transmitted through generations, although they change, certain key beats stay the same. And so what you end up with is basically a story that has a sort of universality to it across time. So whereas all the little details may change and some of them may update sort of the core parts, like sort of core story arcs for characters and whatnot stays the same.  Like if you were teleported to an alien universe and you retold the story of Star Wars original trilogy, you'd probably change a bunch of details. And then a kid that listened to you grew up and did the exact same thing in a different alien universe. It would keep changing, but most of the significant parts would probably be the same.  He grows up, he confronts his destiny, and then he becomes a hero. But you can change everything else about that, but those core elements will remain the same because they speak to people everywhere of all times. Yeah, I think it's a, to some extent as well, there's a process of elimination there. Like if you do certain things with the character, then you start to remove the audience's appreciation for that character and you reduce their likability. Like if your character, instead of being a downtrodden farm boy or whatever it might be, starts off as like an all powerful king, people aren't gonna empathize with that person because they're already at the top of the heap. You know, all these things they have to do in order to build up your investment in the story and the characters, it is that kind of process of elimination. That's why you end up with that hero's journey because it's kind of the slickest way to get that emotional response out of your viewer. Also, Jay said, I come soy. And is he trying to say that's what this person is? Cause Jay, that's mean, okay? Very, very mean. I wanted to make sure I highlighted how he's possibly the worst of the EFAT people in terms of insult throwing. Do you agree, Rags? Cause I think so. He's not very, it's not very good. Not very nice. Not very good, not very good. Long narrative poems like Beowulf on the Odyssey, but the other non-poem stories that resemble them have a knack for being retold over and over again. First, let's get the similarities between the Skywalker saga and historical epics out of the way. Star Wars has captured our collective attention for more than 40 years. And there's every reason to assume that it will continue to be passed down from generation to generation, much like the tales of- Um, but- Is this going anywhere? But the OT was, let's just say for the sake of argument, given to my parents in the theater. And then when I came of the right age, I saw those very same films with minor remastering differences, assuming I didn't see the originals. And then if my kid grew up to the right age, I could then show them the DVD or Blu-ray of A New Hope. That isn't the same as like spanning generations of stories being told, you know? Yeah, you get the same story because it's in a hard, fast state. Like it can't change from what it is. And if, I don't know if he's going this way, but if he was arguing that like the sequel trilogy is the original retold, I'd just be like, no, it's a sequel, but it's a really bad sequel. Look, it's not this, it's not the OT again. They came close to trying that, but Ryan Johnson wanted to go a different way. And then Rise of Skywalker, I don't even know what film you'd say it's copying outside of a couple of scenes. That plot line, man. Hold. The story and its characters are so thoroughly integrated into pop culture that everyone knows what Darth Vader sounds like when he breathes or what a lightsaber is, even if you've never seen a Star Wars movie. It's kind of like how even if you've never read Homer or Virgil, you know what an Achilles heel or Trojan horse is, but that's not the only way the Skywalker saga mirrors ancient epics. That's a very thin comparison.  Yeah, you know what something is, therefore it's the same as these other things. It's like, I'm trying to think of like something obscure. I guess he's trying to really say that, see lightsabers are like invaders breathing. They're like the phrases Trojan horse and Achilles heel. One's just had a head start by a few years. Just a few. Yeah, but the problem is he's comparing pop culture elements to things which, how do I want to phrase this? What's the term for a phrase that actually sort of has a bigger meaning? Something like barking up the wrong tree. There is a name for that kind of phrase. It's a metaphor. I think it might be idiom. Yeah, he's comparing something which is just like a motif basically to something which is there to transmit an idea. Like you say something is a Trojan horse. There's a whole bigger thing to something which you just recognize as like they're not comparable. Yeah, like a lightsaber versus like the equivalent of that would probably just be, I don't know, bow and arrow from something like the oldest stories as opposed to a lesson or an identifiable aspect through a selection of words that just came from that thing. It's a strange comparison, but even with that, that's a very thin connection. You have to weigh better than that. Yeah, it's also you're comparing something which is basically stories which are told to people again because there's a degree of universality to it and they have, the point of telling them is to make people learn something. Like the point of the story of the Trojan horse is that things may not be what they appear and sometimes what seems like it can be a good thing is actually a bad thing. Because obviously the horse, it was a gift. It was like, oh, we're gonna have peace and here is this amazing sculpture and it was full of people that killed everyone when they got out.  It's like, okay, wing, wing of Trojan horse. There are some people out there there are some people who are out there that might not even know anything about Trojan horse beyond like it's virus comparison. Yeah, they don't know it's, they don't know that it's from the Odyssey. Yeah, they don't know the Odyssey, but they know the meaning. They might even be able to tell you what it means as a result of reading that story but have no idea that story exists. The Iliad, sorry, not the Odyssey, the Iliad, but they don't know that it's about the Trojan war and they don't know anything about it. And comparatively, if you ask someone and they do know what a lightsaber is, chances are they know what Star Wars is and that it comes from that. Comparatively, Achilles heel, what story is that from? Most people will be like the one with Achilles. They'll probably say Troy. They'll probably say Troy and then they'll be referencing the movie. If they reference anything at all, they might be like, I don't know, it just means a weakness, right? Well, even if it was from Troy, I mean, that's still sort of, that's the story. It borrows classic epic storytelling techniques as well. And I guess before we go forward, I'm wondering what aspect of the sequels is going to transcend time and- Actually, you know what, there is one. I've just thought of one. A more accurate comparison would be to say comparing the Trojan horse to the hold-o maneuver. You say hold-o maneuver, people would be like, ah, suicidal run at something, one in a million chance to go through it. That would be a better similarity.  I actually think the other way that could actually end up being remembered is the same way as jumping the shark is. The is like, oh, they did a hold-o maneuver in this show. You're like, what do you mean?  Yeah, it's something really, really bad. But that would carry the same sort of weight because it's, you say this one thing and you think of a big scenario and what you learned from it. Guy Walker Saga mirrors ancient epics. It borrows classic epic storytelling techniques as well. To understand how, let's look to scholars Barbara Graziosi and Johannes Halbold and their analysis of Homer's work. As you may know, Homer was the author long attributed to ancient Greek stories such as- Before we go down this rabbit hole, remember, this is why Star Wars is actually good. And why we should apologize. This is where we have to go. We have to go to Greek philosophers to explain why Star Wars is actually good. It's like, do you know how things you don't have to do this with? Good things. You just enjoy them. You have to, the rationalization doesn't get this bizarre. But all right, let's see where he goes. There's the Odyssey and the Iliad. We once thought that Homer was a single person, a one man story machine churning out culture defining works. But now scholars mostly believe that Homer was in fact a pseudonym for a group of storytellers who built upon, strengthened, and further developed each other's work. Graziosi and Halbold developed a theory of resonance to describe the way these disparate storytellers worked together. They argue that in order to maintain a consistent world and a single authorial voice, the various storytellers employed specific narrative features in each new tale. These techniques included starting a story mid-scene or repeating specific phrases like high-hearted men and swift-footed Achilles or using precise formulas to introduce characters or speeches. Even the precise way a hero undressed was ritualized and repeated from story to story. The use of resonance told the audience that this story. So like, I'm wondering how much of this because we're looking at a, when we look at a story like the Iliad and when we look at combinations of stories that we've had for a long, long time, we have the benefit. It's kind of like how people say how music from like the 80s and stuff was way better than today.  So we only get a lot of the good stuff. And I'm wondering if at the time, how many of these authors and writers who knew about these stories pulled Ryan Johnson and completely destroyed characters in the narrative and they rewrote things and did all this stuff. And people didn't like it.  Like I think the sequel trilogy will be eventually sort of done to a lesser degree, but it'll just be, you know, the prequels, the original trilogy, some of the other stuff surrounding Star Wars. That'll be the stuff that people remember and refer to. I mean, because when people talk about, you know, the glory of Star Wars, they ain't talking about the rise of Skywalker. No, no one is. I think, you know, I guess the point he's making here is like, when you pass it through that kind of filter of multiple authors and being retold multiple times and stuff, what you end up with is a kind of classic story with the universal elements that everyone can relate to and stuff. That is your classic epic story. And that's what you ended up with, with something like the original trilogy. It's a story that deals with universal themes and ideas, universal characters, and it tells it in that classic epic way, which is fine. But then how, you can't apply that then to the sequel trilogy, which doesn't have any of those elements. You don't have a hero that people can relate to. You don't have the ideas of family and connection and stuff in any meaningful way, except for the dry shoe on it in. You have these weird attempts at those ideas, but execution is so bad, you almost like forget that that was kind of what they were sort of trying to do. Is he gonna argue that like lightsabers and space battles and Jedi and Sith are the equivalents? Like you see them throughout, they're the resonance. I'd be like, wow, that's superficial, isn't it? I think as well, you can't escape how the sequel trilogy was made. The fact that you've got completely disconnected storytelling from different minds and different goals and objectives. And so what you end up with is three movies that feature the same characters that tell completely different stories. So it doesn't even function in the same way that the original trilogy did. I guess we'll have to see. I wonder if... Go ahead. I was just gonna say how he develops this because I'm not 100% sure where he's going yet. Got the first half of the argument, I think. Establishing resonance with these old stories and how that matters to Star Wars right now.  And I just, I'm so curious what the fate of it will be in the future like. I mean, what will we remember? What will we forget? Will these things be treated like the new holiday special? You need to appreciate that image. I love the smiley thing. Oh my goodness.  Well, Jay just said we've already forgotten the solo. And it's just funny that this meme that soloed Rogue One won't even be here as well. Yeah, solo, every time someone mentions solo, I'm like, oh fuck, yeah, that happened. Yeah, the thing is I kind of forget about Rogue One as well. I'm just like, yeah, it killed a couple of hours. It was a movie. Like I never have any strong opinions about it one way or the other. Yeah, the main movies really do dominate the discussion. Especially these last two, they've just been wild. Yeah. Bori was part of the Homeric tradition and connected to past and future Homeric stories. At the same time, it implicitly promised the audience a specific experience. Like the Odyssey, Star Wars is a saga held by various authors, namely George Lucas, George Lucas, but worse. I don't like Sam. JJ Abrams and Ryan Johnson. And like the Odyssey, Star Wars used resonance to remain coherent. This is instantly apparent the moment a Star Wars film begins. And the bright yellow text roll. Really? Yeah. Come hear it. This just seems like, I don't know why you need two people to come up with this idea that everyone's like, well, yeah.  There's going to be a lot like this resonance stuff. Even if you go back to the Iliad and stuff like that, it's like, yeah, you can't all of a sudden introduce completely new otherworldly things to it. That don't make any sense. Like if things, it's almost like resonance is just the concept of, yeah, things are, storytelling is going to be consistent with itself to some degree. Some stuff you saw you might see again. Oh, okay. Oh, all right. What do you think is resonant with Toy Story and Rise of Skywalker? There's probably some stuff you could actually pick out.  It's like one for one. You're like, oh my God. You know, taken to the crazy degree, you get that Snowpiercer, Willy Wonka video where they actually like nailed it. I just mean the drawing resonance between two movies, one of which is a sequel to the other. I'm just like, this won't be hard.  Like why is this a point? Also, I love this drawing. Oh, no. Steel, dear. And Joe, help me. Joe. Man, that came up first. Oh my goodness. Poor Joe. Honey, Silo, 76. 76 silos. We have massive silos where we keep on. I had 75 other ones. Joe just fell in, man. Damn. All right. Pulls inexplicably through space while the iconic score plays. Hey, but this isn't resonance. This is just, this is a stylistic element that I wouldn't say this is resonant because it's not actually part of the story. It's a means of presentation. So it seems weird these, including this in resonance. I don't know. Because resonance, he specifically said it was story beats. This isn't story beats. This is just how you present something. Yeah. I'm just like, do we even care about motivation for something like this? Like, you know why this stuff is here? It's like, because they want to appeal. Like this is all, it's like, oh my gosh, just like the originals. Oh, yeah. Yes. This is the Star Wars brand. Like don't change, because it's the brand of Star Wars. Oh my God. His videos are like his videos. Yeah. Well, this is kind of what I'm getting at. He's like seeing it as like, oh, look at, look at these beats that are repeated in this wonderful epic. And it's just like, they're there because it works on you. And it makes you say stuff like that. More examples of resonance are peppered throughout each film. These range from scene transitions to character archetypes like the tragic hero. And do okay. No, it was a very strange mentor. Resonance. All right. These archetypes can't be, you can't say that these are archetypes that Star Wars resonated through Star Wars. It's like, no, this is just stories. Yeah. God, these are story beats which exist across time because they are universally by all people everywhere. All cultures share stories with these character archetypes. These archetypes are not limited to Star Wars. Well, sharing wisdom and redeeming yourself. These are like very, you know, they're tied to the human experience in many ways. Like, it's not hard to figure out why these things work so well, is it?  They're the ones that have got this resonating. It's like, what do you mean? Look at everything has this. Or the sage mentor to visual images that deliberately evoke earlier. Why do you think they did that? Yes.  Did you guys know there's two suns in the last Jedi? Do you know any suns there were in The New Hope? Do you know? But you don't. Oh my god. This is just to be one of those like 50 things you missed about Rise of Skywalker. Films in the series. First Lucas and now his successors deliberately use these resonances to establish Star Wars as a modern epic plane out, right?  Literally that. Even on my first watch through, when you force pushed Rey up to a magnifying glass to show her her fleet dying to tell her there's no hope, I was like, this is, you've just taken this scene from Return of the Jedi. This isn't even. Yeah. There's like, why do you even have a magnifying glass right there? There's such a gulf between using similar thematic elements and just blatantly copying what's already been done. There's no smart approach to that. There's no kind of clever undertones to any of it. It's just like, we can't think of anything else to do. We're just going to copy what we did before because that worked. I'm picturing Snoke scooting his old throne all the way up to the magnifying glass. He just does that thing where he grabs out on the sides and scoops his butt. Sort of wants some help. He's like, no, I can do this myself. Now it's fine. It's fine. It's good for me. Sure. You don't want a monitor built into your throne or something.  And would you rather not have a high definition? No, I'm going to the looking. I'm old. The transports are supposed to be cloaked and he just sees them in his magnifying glass. Like, guys, there's some transports over there. They're like, oh my God. Guys, look out the window. Pesky, de-cloak and scan again.  They have battery limits, you know. They could have 17 star destroyers, but they can't have a large battery. That's too much.  Right before our eyes. In fact, Abrams relies heavily on residents in the Force Awakens.  This is what I mean. Like, yeah, they are beating you up on the head with it, aren't they? They do not want you to forget. They will not allow you to forget. Remember Star Wars? Yes. Yes, I do. I think we all do. I don't. I kind of wish I didn't. And even more so in the rise of Skywalker, the Force Awakens. These scenes are the same. These scenes are the same. Yeah, one of them has had solo in it, and the other one does as well. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Wait, what are the other similarities? They talk to each other. There is acting in these scenes. In both scenes, there's acting. Rey is convincing Han to help them, and Luke is convincing Han to save Leia. It's the same thing. They're both on spaceships. Chewie is around in this room, both rooms. Finn is like C-3PO. I'm like, okay. Finn is just like C-3PO. Both Luke and Rey are orphans from a desert planet. You say this like we didn't realize. Yeah, what a crazy thing that they did that's kind of like the original. No, that's clever resonance. These were all things that the film got blasted for. I don't understand how you're highlighting them as like, this is really cool, interesting resonance. Because when he says the word resonance, it makes it sound better than they hit copy paste. Yeah, this isn't resonance.  Just because you're using a big word to describe it, that doesn't mean it's suddenly smart.  I'm resonating. This is genius. You don't understand. They weren't Star Killer based or man-made planet destroyers, and both the Empire and the First Order are wannabe space fascists. Similarly, the rise of- What do you mean wannabe? Like, they actually all. I was gonna say, weren't they both very successful? That's a whole conversation. How successful the First Order?  But still get to blow up six planets? Of course. It's a really... Like, you have no idea what their competence level is. It just depends on whatever they need to do. Vader would be so disappointed if he was alive, and he was evil.   You just think about it. How was Hux even in charge? What do you have to kill? Like, Hux is so young to be in charge, you know? We were talking about this before. Super competent. He's super good at his job. You've got a guy like General Pride, who seems a little bit better at what he does and a bit worse at what you've done. Like, why was he not just in charge to begin with? How is someone so young being promoted over him? Well, I remember reading in one of his wiki pages that his dad was a really respected First Order general, and I think that's what got him his position. And I saw that they made a mock-up image because his dad is Brendan Gleason in real life. And I was like, oh, man. I could really go for a Brendan Gleason him playing a character in the First Order who's super competent and threatening. And I was just thinking about how, like, what if Star Wars was good? What if Star Wars was good? So many things could be different. Yeah, like, what was, what was Snoke's justification for having Hux around?  Why don't you just have a useful smart person? Yeah.  That's just going to invite disaster.  What did I say? Did you? Yeah, I said a useful smart piece. Oh. Mine was less eloquent, I will give you that. I'm glad we're on the same page. Yeah, it's, it's, uh... Our brains, no, our brains have resonance. Well, this is the thing, this thing I always want to highlight. Whenever someone says plot holes and making sense and logic doesn't matter. And it's like, well, what about when the film is clearly trying to explain things to you? Does it matter then? Should you just ignore any explanation?  Like, Ryan Johnson thought about that and he was like, right, I'm going to have Snoke say this to explain it. And it's like, but that doesn't explain it. That it's like, who cares? It's like, well, you do. You just gave us a... Cared enough to start that. He's like, you started it. Exactly.  That just raises more questions. It's like when Hux is on the bridge of his, um, on the supremacy and they're chasing the rebel fleet.   It makes a dig sound. It's like, oh my God, he's in a... What's going on? Both feature a young Jedi training with a dying mentor. So if we're going that broad, both feature a young Jedi training with a dying mentor. It's like, wow. Probably get a dying mentor. That's nice and vague, isn't it? In terms of like, they're alive, but they are going to die. And you're like, so yeah. They're dying very slowly of old age. It's like Anakin is a young Jedi training with a dying mentor that is Obi-Wan. Like he's not going to die anytime soon, but he's dying. It's all resonance. Both begin with the rebels struggling after a crushing defeat. Both begin after a re... What?  Oh. So the beginning of TROS is the rebels recovering from a defeat that was in TLJ, but... If only they'd saved what they loved. But it was like a year later. I don't know. It seemed like they got forces out of nowhere. I don't know. Like, that's a weird... They did just seem to start off by saying, oh, we have like an army now. Yeah.  Like, it's so bizarre. Because in the last Jedi, they're like, oh, we sent out this communication and no one came to help us. Okay. But then in the next film, General Pride specifically says about the final order, this is going to increase our power 10,000 fold. And somehow, Lando goes into the universe to charge face first into that. Yeah, let's just explain. Somehow. Let's just play it out, right? So you come to me, Rags, and drink it. Let's just say we're three separate alien factions and you're like, I need help to take out the final order. And we're like, what's that? This is huge army of like a thousand star destroyers that all have Death Star technology, but they're all on one planet.  Just go with me.  Yes. Yes, they do. Don't think about it. Please just come with me. I'm the cool warrior. Ships or controls for your cannons. No, it just wouldn't have you need. You need to do that over like three movies, like justifying why all of the planets would come with you. And what they do is the opposite. They establish that the planets don't want to help the rebellion at all or the resistance, whatever. So we just sit here confused. We're like, yeah. And then suddenly the enemy is 10,000 powerful and everyone's like, well, you know what?  Well, when you turn up to that area, sense of where, you know, what the first order's real capabilities are either, you know, like, how do they have like, do they just have 10 star destroyers of their own left? Or do they have a thousands? You know, it's never, it's never explained. The Admiral was unironically defeated by horses. He was like, jam this speeders. And it's like, they're not using speeders. He's like, my God, what can we do against horses? If only there was something that we could do it, like a range to disable these organic things. Disable the horses. Disable the horses and the blasters.  And the hull of the ship is pretty much smooth. Amazing. You know, they could just do an even simpler thing.  There is no atmosphere up. There's so many things.  Even, you know, if you didn't mind too much about your ship getting damaged, you could just have a couple of TIE fighters come in and strafe them.  It would be funny if you said disable the horses. And he was like, what do you mean?  They're horses. Just open the window, lean out and start shooting. They probably have like little windows. They could open up. No, they don't have windows because they don't know which way is up. Come on, right? Oh, yeah, that's right. They have. Yeah. I don't know how they are. These guys haven't. It's like, we don't know which way is up. We've got no shields. We're under attack by space horses. It's almost talking about idioms earlier. Like when you say like, oh, he doesn't even know which way is up. Like the implication, someone's like lost their mind. So it was like, they literally do not know which way is up. That's where we're at. I can't believe they did that. Speaking of resonance, do you remember that time in the last Jedi where someone couldn't tell which way was up or in a new hope where someone couldn't tell which way was up? Do you remember that? Oh, it was when Vader was looking for Luke because he was hidden. It was like, damn, where is Luke? Which way is up? That's what it was. Yeah. Yep. Beautiful. And both feature a Palpatine concocted showdown between good and evil. Detractors might dismiss this as fan service or at best an overreliance on the stalled and retarded narrative. But the way Abrams mirrors Lucas actually forges crucial thematic and structural links between thematic and structural links. Oh, I've got to hear this explanation. I mean, yeah, he copied him. This is what I call grasping at straws. Desperate straws, labeled themes and structure. If you ever get anyone in the chat, if you ever like plagiarize anything, just give them this video and convince them that this is actually resonance. You're just mirroring the themes and the letters. You don't see funny. Well, you know, if I get a copyright strike from YouTube in the future, I'm just going to reply with, like, as my plea. I was just like, well, it's resonance. Yeah, learn about resonance. Don't you know that it's philosophers? Maybe this video would actually be, like, entertaining to watch, you know, like Quinton and Jenny Nichols and whoever, like, responding to a EF style just to see them get frustrated at this. Because who's going to like this argument? Nobody. Nobody likes every Star Wars film, as far as I can tell. Like, there's no prominent critics that I know that enjoy all of them. They usually pick a selection, right? So if this guy's making an argument for how all of it's great, it's just like, who are you appealing to? I mean, maybe like one guy who's like, yes, yeah, I was. That guy, Eric Butts, he probably likes all of them, right?  He'll find a way, that's the thing, he will find a way to love them all. It must be nice to have, like, that level of experience with Star Wars media, no matter what. Like, nice in terms of the experience, but then also like, I don't know, get ashamed of yourself, like, what have I become? I would be ashamed of myself.  Yeah, not him. I think we're pretty reasonable, actually. We're just bad people, really. Naturally. In the two trilogies, Abrams actually spoke to this during the promotion for the Force Awakens, stating, we very consciously tried to borrow familiar beats.  Copied it. You just copied it, man. Everyone's just running in circles and tap dancing around it.  We all know. It's not a secret. And he's like, yeah, you know, there was a conscious effort to borrow familiar beats. So the rest of the movie could hang on something that we knew was Star Wars? Resonance also? Well, yeah, of course, it was Star Wars. It was like the movie Star Wars. You just copied the movie Star Wars. The rest of the movie could hang on something we knew was going to make money. I guess I should clarify for chat. Yeah, when we say copy, we're not actually saying it's a good copy. Very bad copy.  Like someone sat on the photocopy while putting Star Wars there.   That's kind of where I'm getting it. Cook explains Abrams' strategic repetition of everything from central themes to incidental dialogue. I got a bad feeling about this. I got a bad feeling about this. Oh, fuck, oh. Oh, my God. He used memes. Oh, Anakin says it too in the prequels. Whoa. But it doesn't account for the second complaint lodged by Star Wars fans. Okay. Why so many inconsistencies? Well, for that, let's jump forward in time to Medieval England and visit a- Why so many inconsistencies?  Let's go Medieval England. Let's go now, bro. Oh, Merry Man. I like it because like you kind of followed the argument for that one or whatever and you're like, okay, so explain the inconsistencies one. He's like, right, I need to tell you what Medieval England.  It's like, let's compare the storytelling techniques of ancient Greece or wherever with stories that were basically passed down from generation to generation verbally and totally changed and there was no way to produce a unified version of anything with early 21st century Hollywood cinema where you've got all of the technology you could ever need at your disposal to create the perfect streamlined story. You've got modern writing techniques. You've got everything you could possibly need. How are these two things in anywhere related? Obviously, there's going to be inconsistencies for stories that were made up 2,000 years ago. You don't have the same excuse now because you have logic and reason. And also because these stories are like years apart from one another and it's the same exact people working on them. Con, this is not comparable, but fine, let's let him compare it. Because and also, well, I guess it might pop up later. So we'll just we'll just sit on that. Let's keep that fucking. Very different epic. Our third and legend or our third Anna is what we call the total narrative surrounding King Arthur and his fabled Knights of the Round Table.  King Arthur with Clive Owen. I know that one. This is the one from this is new, right? This is a Guy Ritchie one. Yeah. This one I've heard nobody say this is good. It's not. I can't wait. Not Guy Ritchie is pretty reliable, but like he should not be doing like medieval epics. Yeah. It's a weird, weird choice again. And a sword and a stone. That'll be getting re-eminent soon in a photo. Fuck, really? Why not? Probably. Why not? Oh, I hope not. Track its development across the centuries and interestingly enough, it has a lot in common with the development. Oh, that looks ugly.  Yeah, it's bad. It looks terrible. So let's let's have a look to see that again for us, because we can largely track its development across the centuries and interestingly enough, it has a lot in common with the development and evolution of Star Wars. The first sustained depiction of the King Arthur legend appeared in the 12th century when Geoffrey of Monmouth penned The History of the Kings of Britain. For this, Geoff rounded up various fables and presented them as historical facts. The TLDR is Arthur gets a Throning. He knew you were watching this. He knew. He knew. He knew. He knew. He knew. He knew. He knew. He knew. He knew. He knew. He knew. He knew. He knew. He knew.  Oh my god.  Fights a whole bunch of Saxons and chats it up with a wizard named Merlin. Notice the glaring lack of magical swords, circular tables, heroic knights, and extramarital tryst. Not long after, a rogue poet added the round table to Arthur's story. In this way, the first Arthurian canon was essentially set. Think of this initial Arthurian canon called The Matter of Britain as there's already completely different Star Wars like this is not the same thing whatsoever.  And if you're going to try and equate that to George Lucas and then Ryan Johnson and JJ I should be like it doesn't work the same way because I don't think the bad guy was making a sequel. He was just changing almost adapting it and adding his own shit which by the way JJ can do all the time. If JJ wants to go and do that he can probably will do that. They probably will remake the original trilogy eventually and it's going to be devastating but whatever I'm going to do. But that'll be for then. The audacity. They will though. They absolutely will. But yeah a lot of this I can already it's just when those people write these stories it was almost like their version of it. But when they when JJ talks about my version of Star Wars or Ryan talks about my vision of Star Wars they're not using it in the same sense because these are direct sequels with the exact same characters and the exact same timeline that it's happening chronologically. It's the exact same story specifically. I think It's not like this is my take on an old story. The way to nail this would be like the nature of a sequel is that it relies on you having seen the one before it in order to create its payoffs as in if you watch Empire on its own you'll be like confused for a lot of it. If you watch Return of the Jedi on its own you'll probably be super confused though I think a lot of people actually did see Return of the Jedi on its own. I remember seeing a couple of people in chat saying that we covered it before. But the point is that sequels rely on the predecessor or prequel whatever being in stone. It's like those things happened therefore I can make and say these things because you have that in your head already. And so if you counter those things you've just like become antithetical to the entire point of your position in the timeline as a sequel.  He could he and it's a remake he could he could probably change some stuff it wouldn't count as a contradiction like if Obi-Wan doesn't die to Vader in the Death Star maybe he he stays alive until the second film or something he wants to experiment changing the story that way. We wouldn't say he can't be alive they are undead in the original version if it's an adaptation it's like changes we could talk about whether or not they're they're good and bad stuff which is what that's what seems to be happening with the example of Arthurian stories next guy what we were saying before about the guy traveling to different universes retelling the story of Star Wars it would happen that way. Yeah because it's it's not like it takes place if we're Star Wars it takes place in a universe where all kinds of different things are happening and everything but with these Arthurian stories there is a very set Arthur as a child there is Arthur growing up there is him as king there is a quest for the Grail there's going off to Avalon there's you know there are specific characters that are a part of it you know Mordred Nagravain and all these guys you can't really you could keep it going on and on and on but no one really does that no one takes the Arthurian stories and is like this is a in the same universe as the Arthurian legend but it's this random other character who's people don't do that with these stories it's almost like it wasn't really made for it in the way that Star Wars was they just retell the story picking and choosing what aspects they really like and then someone else does the same thing and someone else does the same thing but each one's totally independent of the other This era Star Wars both were chiefly guided by one person who crafted a unified canon though in Monlux case he synthesized quite a bit of folksy miscellaneous Disney even referred to the Lucas era movies as immovable objects when they acquired Lucas film but obviously so much for that yeah well that's clearly a fucking line now isn't it well apparently they hit an unstoppable force in that case everything exploded where was the link between the Arthurian legend to this did i miss it i think he's doing it now obviously the Skywalker saga didn't end with Lucas and Arthuriana was just getting started with Jeff over time new storytellers added more and more to the Arthurian soup their tales spreading organically and influencing one another yeah but those were their own personal adaptations of the same core story yeah they're not they're not sequels are they yeah yeah they're not a direct sequel it's like all of the original stuff for King Arthur is very very sparse it comes from the four branches of the mavenogion which actually came before the text which he's talking about which i think is the one called the matter of britain Arthur in the mavenogion is quite sparingly used you can look at even things like the story of the holy grail there are stories of the holy grail the holy grail itself actually comes from pre christian Celtic stories and there's a variety of those most of them coming from whales the original telling as far as i'm aware was that the holy grail was actually just stone and then the grail became related to a cauldron which was a cauldron which if you put a dead man back inside it he would come back out alive and that was the story from Bran the blessed i believe later on the grail then became something to do with the story of the fisher king or the wounded king which is ultimately a pre christian fertility story about a king who gets a wound it's always a wound in his thigh and it's always caused by a lance and sometimes the lance is bleeding perpetually as a result and sometimes it was bleeding before that because it was to do with fertility and infidelity and then later on the story of the grail evolved even further to be something which captured the blood of christ because it got mingled in with the the bleeding from the you know the fisher king or the wounded king story and then it became the cup of christ which he used at the last supper because you know it's you drink this and it becomes my blood that all happened over about four five hundred years it's the same story but there's so many different versions oh i'm sorry do i know our theory and legend better than the the author of this me whoops i feel like uh copyright kind of kills this whole argument too it's like why do you think there's so many versions of king author it's like oh probably because they did have a patent of the story when it came out to prevent people from making loads of them like if they did right now if stars didn't have copyright then people would just be people are making shit tons of fan fictions the eu was a thing until they got axed like we'd have all kinds of different versions remakes adaptations and sequels would all be floating around all over the place and there's a reason why we categorize them all differently just like authors our theory in different different variations you'd be able to actually identify exactly what it is like this is a sequel because I want to explore what happened to king author in his later years and you're like oh okay cool so which of the story's view chosen to make it a sequel too and you know they could either say like oh this one specifically by this guy or they could be like oh it's just sort of I'll try and imply in my story the history that I'm going with mostly a shit understanding of what it is like every time there will be a way to categorize it you don't just go nah it's just like Star Wars Ryan Johnson and JJ and the new writers Lucas was the old one make sense also there's no such thing as a contradiction at this point because it's just exactly this is them saying oh yeah well instead of this happening what if this happened instead of that happening what if this happens also this doesn't account for inconsistencies within their own stories as in rise of Skywalker can contradict the OT according to this retarded set of rules but it can't contradict itself right as in for example Rey being able to detect Chewie like miles away in space but she can't detect him when he's like a half mile away from her on the same place remember that there's just a standard contradiction these Arthurian stories don't contradict one another because they're they're not the same story exactly but even if we were to take his argument as valid which it's not it wouldn't be able to account for inconsistencies within the the specific individual stories right he hasn't answered the question that he's posed for inconsistencies he's just brought up something else that's completely different in almost every aspect and what a what a crappy standard as well it's like yeah you can take stuff from the originals to use as rules you'll be banking on but then you can also break them whenever you want because fuck it because because residents new addition to the legend scene the more it was incorporated into subsequent tales the best example of this was Kretien D'Chua's introduction of the holy grail and the cuckolding Lancelot and this way a democratic process of storytelling crafted and updated Arthurian democratic that's not democratic that's actually the opposite things as they go yeah this is yeah this isn't a democracy at all these people just deciding completely arbitrarily that they're going to make their own version of the story which is fine but that's not a democratic way to make a story they didn't all come together and decide on what the story would be agreed upon that actually kind of makes it sound like a conspiracy reasons for their additions to the canon notably D'Chua geared his work towards the taste of the French court which fancied itself quite chivalrous thus D'Chua's stories upheld good nightly virtues like courtly love authors like D'Chua and Thomas Mallory they all upheld that virtue they all did the Celtic stories did that as well the original ones by one of the stories of I think it was oh what's his name plural I think I think it was the story of plural where he goes into the other world and Anwen he goes there he exchanges places with the king of the place and the condition is something like you can become the king of my court you only have to go there in order to defeat my enemy and they do that and the king from the fairy land eventually comes back and is like ah you slept chastely with my wife in other words you didn't fuck my wife when you were impersonating me therefore I'm going to give you the spoils of Anwen you're going to get a load of gifts from this which is obviously you know a load of stuff from the other world so it's all enchanted amazing stuff and with people that story predates with their wives I know it'd be great wouldn't it but that that predates this guy's writing so the chastity is in all of these stories anyway but if we want to apply this this theory then to what we have in current day is by this rationale then you could have like different versions of the Star Wars movies released in different parts of the world as well to suit differing tastes yeah but I would say that the applicable vision is something like Lovecraft today loads of different people doing all kinds of stories the similar resonance would be horrifying creatures from a different world or a world that we can't quite comprehend ritualistic stuff cults uh elements of like magic or uh black magic maybe I'm not sure what kind of categorization you probably put it in obviously the eldritch influence and then mystery existential horror all these things are going to be typically in a Lovecraft story but they could be completely different and contradictory because guess what the fucking copyright ran out on those things so it's all over the place and everyone's got all kinds of stories it seems to be that would be the key element to all of this to be honest with you the resulting canon and complete coherent manuscripts that were published widely again this mirrors the evolution of the Star Wars canon and the way it doesn't at all though Lucas was historically hands off with the Star Wars extended universe that sprang up after the original trilogy he did start to incorporate some of these new elements into the prequels for example Aela Sakura I'm sure curious I thought one of the things about the extended universe is that they like were compatible with all the Star Wars movies I think so yeah from what I know is the problem people loved about them yeah and they weren't retellings of the same story they were additions to the original story that acted parallel to them that existed alongside them you know what's funny the novelization that we were talking about at the beginning of the stream of Rise of Skywalker is almost a retelling because it's trying to fill holes while saying the same storyline which is funny considering everything he's been talking about it's like it's not a contradiction it's just a different version it's like what about a different version that's sole purpose is to for like unfuck the contradiction they make a book specifically for that we could then make a movie of the book yeah adapt the book that was an adaptation of the movie I don't know Christ that's how that's Disney's new strategy is they make a shitty movie and then they have somebody write a book that fixes all the problems and then they make another movie based on that book this is like iterative story telling we'll just keep making it until we get the perfect movie and Disney is somehow they keep the perfect film they keep making it worse though they go in the opposite direction it's 2347 and Disney is scientifically created the perfect story attendance is mandatory they keep like going left right up to how all different directions with from the OT when they conclude version 9 billion 643,102 it's just the OT they're like yeah I don't know it's still like it's in some underground super vaults on the Disney planet in the core hidden away this is it the perfect story we've done it do not let them the Amazonians they're coming they cannot have it tied it away disnoids that'll be the race of that the appellations the disnoids protect the disnoids the original story the best story disnoids it could work it could work next to song of the south as the world progresses on that film becomes like progressive somehow it all works we had it this whole time we were just we just were too blinded to see it to the original trilogy he did so can we call Disney Schill's disnoids disnoid to incorporate some of these new elements in the prequels for example Alasakura Korasan and Dooku's curved lightsaber hilt were all developed by different authors but Lucas was a fan so they're not retellings in any way he's just describing canon versus non-canon now yeah yeah like if i'm walking down the street halfway through having made my story and some guys like hey wouldn't it be cool if a giant snake monster attacked me on the street right now and i'm like hmm that's gonna be kind of an interesting thing to do my god did you write king Arthur exactly and then i'd be like i put that in my story and someone goes you'll see this just that's like that our theory of legend some guy told you about it and you put it it's like no stop okay just because Lucas read something in the EU that he liked and then he was like i'm gonna put that in my wasn't he okay with the extended expanding universe as well like he far as i know he was kind of like kind of like went towards it it was he spoke highly of it when he was doing that interview with Kathleen Kennedy and he's like you know i'm handing all this stuff over to you that's like treasure trove of stories and stuff and she's like yeah instantly takes into the back room he's got so broad now that like i'm just sitting up my desk writing a story and i see like a bug crawling around i'm like i'm gonna make a creature based after that and he's like you see just like an our theory of legend no no no no people categorization is very important okay just because you've you've taken many influences in creating what is considered the the mainline story canon sequels timeline a linear timeline of events doesn't then mean that's the exact same process as someone telling the same story but over many generations with different tellers going off of memory or books that they rewrite like it's a completely different process and how does this mean that inconsistencies don't matter like what I'm waiting for that dot to connect permission adopted them and just like post jeff king arthur storytellers diehard franchise geeks abrams and johnson creatively expanded the canon expanded the canon that's what they call it creatively expanded the canon sure that's what they did they creatively expanded the canon that description I don't know if I this is a very generous one I'm gonna go ahead and guess they thought that the sequel trilogy was good we're asked to draw and beaut a thuriana with courtly love abrams and johnson made contributions rooted in their individual philosophies about star wars precisely the problem they made their own movies they didn't care what came before yeah they made their own versions but they like lamented the fact they had to be sequels almost yeah it's like putting an adaptation into the sequel it's like what are you doing and it's like this is not what you put this it's like I don't know I just wanted to do this like what the fuck it's like the sequel to ramy spider man one is far from home you'd be like uh I don't see the I don't think so the connecting tissue I'm very confused of course they have very different philosophies abrams is all about evoking that warm fuzzy feeling that we all got when we watched our first star wars johnson on the other hand seems more inclined to explore the complexities of both the characters and the you know he does he wasn't no no no there was no complexity there if that's what you call complexity yeah I guess all right complexity some people can be good and bad and sometimes good and bad is just a point of view that was incredible like that thing that I told you was true from a certain point of view I can't think that you learned when you were eight years old yeah as soon as you develop a theory of mind begin to understand that other people also have their own experiences in the same way that you it's called the shit no one ever thought of this is died it's called resonance yeah you're right about that though they're just like they're using that word it's the nicest way you can put it copy and pasting horribly such a such an easy on the you say it's like it's just the sort of thing it's like me she will film student resonance you a pivs just a little pleb over there member it's the same thing I feel like resonance is just another word for like even it's almost like it's just your style something is your style because it's something that you do repeatedly to a degree everything from text you use to the music that you use to the transitions that you use that's your style that's what it makes it your style because it's something that you do that's repeatable and recognizable they're just taking something's style and saying it's resonant because it does strange as well for a bit more because he's he's almost you still like well how we typically use the word resonates we're usually talking about the effect something has on the person right it's like how does that resonate with you that sort of thing needs like to resonate through it's like the ripple effect through these films and it's almost like a subconscious thing that connects them all and it's like it's really not though clearly a part of these directors choices like these aren't accidents whatsoever even as that quote from jjabers being like yeah you know you know what we have to do you know and um I just I just think that it's the nicest possible way to describe that I'm trying to think of like an example it's like if you're like oh my god that person died you'd be like no they have simply ceased D-resonated D-resonated Rise us as much as that time Vader dropped the old paternity bomb on Luke no I thank god he played the clip oh he said the thing I was I was about to ask you guys what what is he referring to when uh there was a big moment in empire with Luke and Vader because I was like Darth Vader I drew a blank are the father imagine like Luke goes he told me you killed him he goes no and then Luke interrupts he goes you're my dad I know wow you're just gonna say it like oh okay like you knew he's like yeah hope you won't tell me like oh jeez I said you're really good friends oh okay so um oh you want to like you've been attacking me this whole time and you're cool with that oh what what else did he say about me while I was gone does he talk about me a lot he's like you were corrupted he's like oh I was corrupted was like okay which is always did he tell you about that time that I choked my wife what nothing no shoes into it it's I I mean your mother fuck did he did he mention younglings but I don't okay I'm glad about that I guess so Luke now that we're done here you want to like go get some tacos or something it's like no I still don't like you he's like oh oh you blew up a planet last movie was like yeah that wasn't really me that was Tarkin I was there but like you could have stopped it he's like no not really I don't I really don't know if I could have actually like yeah I could have maybe put my lightsaber I don't know it's not really it's not confirmed it's ultimately an issue of heart versus head oh why are they versus fucking tell me about it why are those things like they don't have to be opposed to each other if anything they like in real life they work best when they're combined yeah I'm curious like don't make the head the villain please don't do that we've had this before in so many different ways do you remember like one of the earlier e-faps where someone made logic the bad guy we were like don't do it don't do it logic shouldn't be the bad guy it's gonna be hard to explain that logically and guys now I'm thinking is evil creation is as valid or invalid as the other but combine them into one trilogy and you get a series of conflicting interpretations and clashing ideologies you can even sense a sort of jostling for power from film to film mm-hmm yeah there's a reason for that man maybe there's a fucking plan can you sense that we all know why kicked up in particular the last two films take previous plots and characters and either ignore or redirect or straight up bisect them arguably this worked to the detriment of the trilogy as a whole okay it's an arguably there's an arguably it's some arguably it just did with this in mind let's take a look at where Arthuriana and Star Wars start to diverge oh what do you mean stop today stop today what do you mean like a pop from every the year is 1123 AD you see up to this point both the Arthurian legend and Star Wars were pretty much the same thing but let's look at how they separate it's like no you haven't established that at all it all began the fucking nanosecond the story of Arthur was created the second we established the titles they already diverged but okay makes this whole thing try to undermine the really weak argument I've already made actual property laws you know those laws that let us buy and sell ideas these didn't exist way back when no one ever received a strongly worded cease and desist letter for writing a story about King Arthur and his magical sword but today Disney owned Star Wars for better or worse worse it's worse you fuck the franchise is Disney basically owns the entire practice around the world as well you're going to own the film industry in a couple decades probably yeah it's like Disney is basically the company that single-handedly turned intellectual copyright from hey I created this and I own it to the original author of this thing has been dead for like a century but we still own it even though they never actually gave it to us we still own it like Disney is pure evil when it comes to copyright and ownership they are just totally really shady shit wanting to keep like Mickey Mouse and stuff like that like so much of their stuff is out of copyright or it should be but because they just have so much fucking money they keep extending it and extending the best lawyers and those lawyers fight tirelessly to extend those copyrights I mean it you know it's the it's the rule right the less of a thing there is the more value it can accrue eventually so if you prevent Disney if you prevent Star Wars from being made all over the place by everybody then there's only one source we can get it from guys even if that source is a big old poopy sludge roll is public domain in like 2073 or something like that so in our lifetimes everybody in our lifetimes chat I feel like they'll just stand in no chance they'll probably be I was gonna say they'll probably be extended unless they've killed it by that they don't give a fuck they're like uh it's not worth anything anyway so they'll probably sell it back to Lucas for a dollar that he's like oh robot Lucas you have returned to me they all knew makes one movie and it's like 10 times better than anything they ever make and we're all just like wow here we go because you've been hiding your power level this whole time Lucas oh you know like that time some guy created fan movie that everyone really loved and Disney was like huh we made that you remember when that happened good times which one that Vader fan film still better than anything Disney's made that makes them the gatekeepers that means they get to determine what stories do or don't earn a permanent place in the lore consequently they can decanonize thousands of pages of stories with a simple press release and then steal their ideas yep at first they were pretty laissez-faire allowing Abrams and Johnson respectively to make the force awakens in the last Jedi on their terms which makes no sense doesn't it like they kill all of the you and then they're like yeah you guys go nuts it's like what seemed like you really wanted to control it but then you also didn't give a fuck the subsequent backlash compelled Disney to tighten their grip in episode nine that led to some serious backpedaling on previously introduced story elements and some arguably over zealous course correcting now this would be totally chill if we were going by medieval standards of storytelling but they that's not that's probably not true no because again you're talking about the difference between adaptations and sequel if you have like a big group of people in a bar right they're telling a story and it sort of ends it's like a half hour thing then you're like and now what happened after that and you start the story again and it directly contradicts that first half an hour there's probably gonna be a patron in there that's like hey how's that possible what is shekin I thought that character was dead it's like you said he was dead no sir he's alive now because I wish to tell all stories about him it's like what that fucking nonsense we start I start how it works um outright when you get you're dead it's like ah but you see no one's ever really gone like let's push it gets his fucking sword out wait we're going calm down sir I'm simply telling my story thankfully nights in smelly armor are no longer a thing and smelly armor nights in smelly armor these days our society is completely saturated with media as a result we are a pretty savvy audience with more sophisticated standards when it comes to world-building stories what is the one side of that what do you mean like in theory in theory we are but no we're not in practice not even close because there are idiots like this who will defend anything I think people cared about impossibilities back there just as much as they do now when speaking to I don't know I'm just I'm finding how go ahead yeah probably their ability to like rationalize complex plots and pick holes in them and stuff you know like he's saying here they had less media available to them so they probably just didn't mind so much back then you know we've got some traveling minstrel who's telling us an amazing story that's that's fine to keep us entertained like now yeah we do have higher standards in terms of what's consistent and what we believe and you know what we consider good entertainment I would imagine I guess um he's just shitting on older people and by older people I mean really older people dead people dead people hell if we weren't then this no de-resonated people oh they de-resonated channel probably wouldn't even be a thing sure multiple interpretations could peacefully coexist in our thuriana but in bring bring me solo no de-resonation no de-resonation no he must be delivered to me completely deliver him to me completely resonated could you imagine if this dude here was one of those bounty hunters and you just see him like hang his head like oh no no de-resonation um in star Wars let me roll in back a sec with more sophisticated standards when it comes to world building and storytelling hell if we weren't Then this channel probably wouldn't all the TLJ apologies sure multiple interpretations could peacefully coexist in our thuriana But in Star Wars the conflicts with Different interpretation of the same story is not the same as a sequel They wouldn't even be that though like the original story would have been interpreted But then other interpretations would be interpreting the interpretations if you know what I mean They're just like this version of the story just will be different Well, yeah, like if we were like let's do King Arthur in space and someone's like that's your interpretation It's like it's not really interpretation I'm just Yeah, but it's stupid. It's like okay. Let's say we had different interpreted versions Okay Luke is not a boy. He's a girl in this version and Instead of having a lightsaber. He gets his but she gets her father's Nunchucks or like it doesn't change the the story as a thing and it's not set in space it's set in a small village somewhere and He sails Across the seas to the people who are developing the dangerous weapon But it's like oh that it's an Irish story and they're going to go and sail across the seas and fight the English because that's Nunchucks like it But it's just all those changes that we've made haven't changed the story So it's just Exists in our 30 on but in Star Wars the conflicts within the cannon and the scenes of rebuttal create a story telling discord That is glaringly apparent to the audience that discord is compounded by the fact that we're all consuming the exact same version of Star Wars No, shit Yeah, like what was the point of this whole video? Instead of you know hitting up our favorite local bard for a new possibly inconsistent retelling and the age of man It wouldn't be an inconsistent retelling If it was a like a different vision, that's kind of the whole point I mean if there is no solid objective text to go from all you're getting is interpretations There's nothing objective to reference back to and that's the difference here when it comes to these movies We have an objective text to look at and we can say this happens this happens this happens because it's there If you're just going on well, I heard this story one time and let me tell it and I'm gonna fuck some bits up There's nothing to compare it back to Yeah, that's media we're not as willing to forgive inconsistencies as the great Homeric fandom was so well start Let's be a so we have I mean how does he explain the fact that there are like thousands of denominations of like Christianity Like even those have like a like all these references and based on interpretations and what they think of this and that and the other thing like are those all retellings of it Like our is like friends are all the different versions of the Bible are they Retellings or interpretations or sequels. Yeah. Yeah This is why there is literally things like the testament according to James the testament according to Peter the testament according to John This is why these all exist, but they all share the same basic stories They just told in slightly different ways So what? Our war suffers from the same repetitions and inconsistencies of your classic epic It does so in an extremely media conscious society where every decision is held up to a reddit Well, then surely Because if he's trying to argue it's because of our modern society is like well How come every film doesn't have this reaction to it then? Like surely we'd be dealing with this with all kinds of not to say that we don't there's lots of movies that the supplies to but Is simultaneous like it's just the easy go-to from even earlier on to try and Matches argument with all the shit saying like 12 angry men is so inconsistent All of his rules are broken in the film, you know Terrible like nobody's saying that or at least I haven't seen anyone say that point being it's just like when it comes to Star Wars, it's like Arthurian legends when it comes to things that make sense. Oh, well, I don't know if I do Malone Red microscope Beauty in this light. Is it really all that surprising that the rise of Skywalker hasn't pleased everyone Star Wars? It's not about whether or not it pleased everyone Is the argument there that he's trying to say like it's hard for it to a reconciled Also, like it's a TLJ at the same time because I agree with him But it's not like TROS didn't shit the bed on its own anyway Do do either of you have any thoughts on such a thing? It would seem rags is having a call right now Oh, no This guy is saying a lot of words, but not he is speaking a lot, but saying very little Well, it's just like it almost seems like a cop out to to sort of be like that's not gonna please everyone It's like it's like when people say yeah, okay, it's not perfect like nobody nobody wants everything to be perfect, right? That's not Yeah, I mean In a 13 minute video, he's Basically reached the same conclusion that we all probably would have reached within the first 30 seconds in that You're trying to compare two things that are fundamentally difficult Fundamentally different like the Arthurian legends, which were in a completely different time and a completely different media and format and everything With modern-day Hollywood film making and you're ultimately acknowledging the disparity between the two and the fact that you can't Really compare them and that really, you know movies are held to a higher standard And that you've got a movie that ultimately turned out shit from a combination of bad writing and you know Poor oversight and having multiple directors telling their own versions of something that was supposed to be a sequential story Like this is something we all kind of knew straight away, but like he's just come Really like full circle in how he's actually getting to it It's just this seems like kind of a pointless argument He's making I'm curious if he's gonna say the word apology at any point in this or if this is just gonna be we're supposed to interpret That we're supposed to apologize because Inconsistency this is kind of a different version of plot holes don't matter, isn't it? Yeah, I'm still kind of waiting for him to actually Because so far his entire use of author basically well, there are different versions of the same stories over there Like therefore plot holes don't matter in the current era. What?   Oh, I don't know. It's a good question And let this is like what you said earlier the analogy you gave about a bunch of guys in a pub like telling a story, right? It's like if Three different guys were retelling the same event and they were all pissed and they gave like a different version of events You know The story makes one of them candid You can't hold that to the same standard as a movie like it's just ludicrous Yeah, and even but even still if you had a bar telling a story of some kind or traveling mission fucking decides to do it Whatever, but if they're like I said he has a character die, and then they're just in the next scene randomly It'll be like people will still have issues with that Like it's not just because of modern sensibilities and you might be like oh well Yeah, those inconsistencies and I'd be like oh, so it's not about being a consistent that it's about the degree of inconsistency Which I probably agree with to a degree Like the standard one like somebody I don't know this socks are really high up in one scene But then they're low down in the next scene be like oh, yeah Yeah, what's more contemporary storytelling idioms mean that Disney has to maintain a strict controlled cannon for a franchise That seems destined to defy the concept the rise of Skywalker and JJ Abrams worked within the confines of expectation and epic structure And attempts to conclude a saga over 40 years in the making across nine 40 years in the making is a bit Like that's not really accurate. Is it they started creating from 20 was it 12? They bought Star Wars All right, what I miss yeah Plus the OT was never created with the idea that the story would be concluded by a different company like 30 years later Yeah, the idea that the work has been going for 40 years. It's like This isn't a culmination of Jack shit, man This is a culmination of three or four years of Disney half-person This is you watched the OT in the cinema with your dad you come home And he's really drunk suddenly and you ask him to give you the next three movies another night And he's like the next three movies. Yeah, okay, so There's the ray. You're like what? She's a girl on desert.  No, you're gonna hear about the palpitism coming back.  Back. He's cool magic dark side.  Johnny.  I don't know I Want to go back. What what did he say about Star Wars is destined to defy something like he said something He was talking about like structure and consistency and was like Star Wars is destined to defy Canon or something retarded I think I think classic epic Smiths and legends ever were what's more Contemporary storytelling idioms mean that Disney has to maintain a strict controlled cannon for a franchise that seems destined to defy the concept The rise of skywalker and R.J. Abrams How is Star Wars destined to defy the concept of having a cannon that makes sense? Yeah, I don't see why it is no it is Star Wars is defying the concept that Things yeah, currently it is but that's not because that's it That's not what they this is the most hilarious thing you have this guy standing in front of J.J. and Ryan Operating to an audience like oh It doesn't make sense on purpose.  It does what do you go away? You ignore this man.  I'm not I'm not keeping them out of it I'm sorry Passionate and outspoken fan base. Let's see a crushing end to twig give that a try What do you guys think? Do you want Star Wars? Do you really want to know what we think? Yes, I want Star Wars to stay faith to canon.  Or is it more exciting when new authors interject new ideas? Fine the new ideas It's like as if they put in new ideas, but they need to be consistent with what has come before you can't break already Established rules with your new idea Well, I remember like the first complaints about the force Skype call coming in and a lot of the defenses were like you just want the force to Never evolve or grow or change you just wanted to be the same forever It's like I don't know I just wanted to make sense. I didn't know the force Skype call was a possibility.  I can't fall Let us know what you think in the comments as always a shoot. We made you a handy video for you to watch Hooray You'll totally check it out. I'm sure of it. Thanks to our patrons for making our channel and podcast possible hit that subscribe button And as always thanks for watching. He didn't tell us to ring the bell.  I'm gonna subscribe Yeah, what do you take me for my joke to you tell me to ring the bell later We did it I feel enlightened. Yeah They have that watch more thing does it say Star Wars explained by rise crack to you guys? Yeah, yeah But what do you mean what went wrong? It's just resonance bro. Maybe that's the argument Nothing actually did go wrong He's more like what went wrong with the audience. Why didn't Who stepped out of line what uh, I want to read some of these comments on the video top colored Well, it's only talk about so you got it was a poorly written mess without any creative vision. That's the problem But you see the light to dislike ratio on this video. This is where the fun begins The prequel memes have more staying power than all of the best parts of the sequel. Oh Absolutely Maybe if we can ignore bad writing if we can compare it to stories where inconsistencies were a feature I mean, you naturally have a this whole argument is so terrible The fact you have to go so far in order to make sequels look good says it all Yeah, that's kind of one of the opening things we said. It's like Might be in trouble first. We have to go back to King Oh So next up right do you remember ranks way back when Mr. Wolf's last podcast we covered a guide to Star Wars the last Jedi. Do you remember that I think so That video I think let me have a look. I'm pretty sure it did it did relatively well Like you know ratio wise and I guess if you count and so I think it inspired someone else to To make one for the rise of Skywalker They called it a guide to Star Wars the rise of Skywalker Oh boy, let me top off my drank a chair and we'll delve into Because I feel like after watching the rise of Skywalker. I need a tour guide next to me Yeah, let me just explain how this film works Like like the little earpiece that you click the next button when you get to the next scene and it explains to you what the fuck's Happening. Yeah, you'd be in the cinema They show Palpatine that you have to press a button it pulls it goes Would you like to know more that you press the button it says Palpatine is a clone after he was killed in the Death Star He managed to make his way to a local planet in which a clone facility was engaged His spirit entered a one of many clones and he was operating himself until The body was unable to sustain the