Yn ymwybod i chi'n cyfweld ar y tro i gyd, yn yr yr yr yr yr yr yr? Oh, ok. Oh, fawr. Wel, rydw i'n fwy o bwysig. Yn... Yn... Yn, ond, ymddangos ymwysig i chi gyd. Yn... Rydw i chi gyd yn ei wneud ymwysig ymwysig i gyd yn ei wneud ymddangos ymddangos ymddangos ymwybod i chi gyd ymwybod i chi gyd. Yn... Yn... Yn... Yn... Yn... Yn... Yn... Yn... Yn... Yn... Yn... Felly we've kind of got an idea of what this could look like which we could talk you through and then if you had some questions and thoughts then perhaps we could answer those and discuss those. Sure, so go ahead. Okay, great. Well, the context of this story is that Taiwan is successfully or is successfully countering the virus and using the power of digital democracy tools and countries around the world are looking to Taiwan and reaching out to Taiwan to learn and apply this approach. And in terms of on the world stage you are a tech and cultural icon in Taiwan and then this success is expanding abroad and people are looking to you to your leadership and things such as Taiwan can help is this kind of global outreach for Taiwan. So as the world continues to face these challenges it's crucial that the world understands that in order to replicate this success and understanding of the approach and the philosophy and your personal approach and your personal philosophy is key to this. But other countries to really understand. So I realise we haven't actually introduced ourselves so we can introduce ourselves and as an international filmmaking team and Chenyu, you'd like to introduce yourself? Well, I think Audrey knows. I've known Chenyu since before she had memory. Because Charlotte and I have worked on a few different projects from UK to Taiwan already and now she suddenly lives here. So we just wrapped up a film project with Guo Yi Hui. So I think we are certainly quite familiar with working together as an international team. Yes, yes. We worked on projects with Chenyu's work connecting music culture in Asia and in England and then we worked together on those projects, editing. Apart from that, because when we work together you will be more like research oriented type of projects but Charlotte's work as a filmmaker for Oxfam for three, four years which sent her to Iraq with Ethiopia and India. Yes, yes. It was wonderful to be introduced to Chenyu back in Liverpool. And actually recently Chenyu's more of a local than I am because I haven't lived in Liverpool for a while. And we worked on some projects together about Liverpool culture like The Beatles and the China Wind music and people connecting with it in England. But my other work has been work that engages with communities who don't often have a voice and don't have the tools to advocate and push for their needs and my studies were in law and community participation through theatre. So I took that and applied that to filmmaking. So often and sometimes that can be as simple as just the lens through which you see the power dynamics of a filming relationship. So often if I'm working with an organisation such as Oxfam who I was filming with in telling stories of conflict in Nigeria around Boko Haram or in Iraq the power dynamics of a group coming in with a media agenda from a charity and being Western and speaking mainly English. How to engage participation and how to tell a story that people whose story you're telling want to tell and how to draw that from them and work with them. That's kind of the lens that I bring to filmmaking and I worked in Iraq for six months and that was really wonderful because it's often quite heartbreaking to launch into a situation and sometimes it's a crisis emergency like a conflict or a drought or something so I have to kind of go to the desert in Ethiopia and meet with people and gather stories and then go back and edit them because we're trying to raise money but to be able to be in a place for six months and engage with families and tell a story it was really wonderful to be able to get to know people and tell stories in that way. So we bring our different kind of lenses to this project which we hope would contribute well because we have an international eye and we're both used to working cross-culturally and knowing what Western audiences are interested in and what gets their interest but also with a human-centered approach. So in terms of a story and the journey which we're interested in telling is that we love to show Taiwan's flourishing digital democracy, social innovation and virus prevention strategies through your life and work. We could start with kind of a montage of past interviews and bringing people up to where we are now in terms of how Taiwan has successfully dealt with the virus and how it has combated misinformation and things like that but then starting to show what the rest of 2020 brings, what the challenges bring and how that same approach that has been used is moving forward and continuing to develop the virus response or developing digital democracy. So we thought possible subjects that we could follow but we thought it would be wonderful to talk about your childhood and your work with the Sunflower movement and leading up to it but also branching off into your philosophy and perhaps using creative ways for audiences to reflect and react to that such as using narration with poetry recital but combining it with animation for a chance for things like that to sink in and reflect because it's about showing the philosophy and the approach as well as the practical outcomes of the work that you've done. But we thought kind of showing the digital democracy in action such as meetings that are tackling misinformation and developing plans and strategies showing those conversations, showing how the approach is applied and then also perhaps looking into any challenges that there might be and I've read that you see yourself as a facilitator and a conduit and that there are people who want you to be more of a leader more kind of telling others what to do and what is that clash and what keeps you focused on prioritising being a facilitator and not grabbing power or using your ego because that's a politician that a lot of the time we don't see and it's very interesting so what are the grapplings that you have to deal with and then we were thinking about it would be great to show your outreach to the international world through Taiwan can help what talks are you giving and can we be behind the scenes of those talks and see people's response to that and perhaps look at international hackathons and what your approach is through that and how that builds better participation and then looking at the apps that you've developed it would be really interesting to see behind the scenes of meetings where you're kind of dealing with the collaboration and voluntary collaboration and how this facilitative nature actually looks like in practice and discussing past successes with the wonderful saying of your work that it's fun and fast, fair and fun so to see that in action and recount past things such as the you only have one but man and the great response to the young boy who had the pink mask and stories like that that really illustrate your work and then also our thought was perhaps to follow a few people that you've interacted with and spotlight their lives so that we can see for an international audience a wider Taiwan in terms of people's life and also their thoughts about being citizen participants and the responsibilities that they feel or the role that they feel they have so that's kind of our thoughts as to the structure of the story of what we could or would like to do and then in order to create this and have something to pitch to a streaming service because we have contacts in the Guardian film documentaries so with Netflix and we thought to film some meetings and some examples and put that together into like a pitch a 10 minute pitch document short film we could then use it to see to give the opportunity for a streaming platform to invest in the film as a longer wider film so yeah and then we thought the type of audience that would be interested in this film the international audience would be type of people who are interested in democratic things and positive change in the world and would watch things like the knockdown the house or Joshua versus super powers oh yeah teenager versus super power and the great hack and kind of very people led documentaries that tackle a wider issue that people are very interested and concerned about but find it very difficult to engage with so it's great to engage with through a person so yeah so those are our thoughts and we have them aside from streaming platform contacts and interests to kind of bring them on board we have a standing invitation to screen the film from the Taiwan Studies programme at the University of Nottingham with some strong links there and so us and more screening opportunities so those are our thoughts and we'd love to know if you had any questions or any thoughts on it so there's multiple teams working on very simple things right now we have from France right Elaine the filmmaker has been pretty doing the same play and he filmed for example my conversation with Brian's one year so and some of my meetings and shadow me in the social innovation meetings and things like that and actually our filmmaker director also main contributor actually to the current version of the B-Taiwan Civic Participation website is doing all the footage taking of all the major like collaboration meetings preparatory meetings of the mostly open provision office of meetings and so on to get the footage out and so of course there's raw footage and there's this edited narrative that you're talking about and I think the angle that you're trying to present is pretty good but just yesterday Andrew Lyn at wire.com published something very much like the angle that you've just described and GD on Lewis Cross also did the preliminary analysis of a lot of that work for Wired as well Miller for BBC click did a long episode before the coronavirus but then the BBC click follow up with another episode so as it is not to discourage you but to say that there's a lot of footage to work with as materials and the good thing is that every single one that I've just named agreed to share either the transcript or the recording of their sessions with me under creative commons meaning that you can freely remix those works but then it also means it is a challenge you have to offer fresh perspectives and building on their work and so that's what we're looking at so as with any other director or filmmaker my condition is the same so this conversation is to be published on YouTube under creative commons and whatever footage that we work with ourselves and provided you or with you filming us need to be provided as creative commons education for other people to remix as well that's my only condition really Okay, yeah and the work that the French filmmaker is making is there a particular work? Yeah, I think he did one on Jiaxiao Wang and I think it was I'm not sure whether it's on Netflix or some other streaming device and it's all very confusing it is to be festivals and then the theatres and then the streaming services but now the order could be any order so we don't know so I don't know who is here pitching too but I think it's at the editing stage now and so for a BBC clique of course they've already aired a few episodes but we're also looking for future collaborations as well and that's the two main kind of outlets but of course if you would like to work with more outlets that's good there's also another team quite independent because they're crowdfunded headed by Adi, the YouTuber and also Jiqi, Jiqi and Aaron Niea and the designer they are the team behind that can help us so they've posted this near times advertisement but then build a website which was the main product and then people start the YouTubers I mean community started to reuse the materials they have and make trending videos that talk about how it's counter coronavirus efforts which went actually quite trending in many different cultures and Jiqi probably knows about that network and so I believe they would like to see this to also make some preliminary footage I did an interview with Mr Reeves pretty much the same topic but I think they could not at this moment find a mainstream outlet and so they have footages but I don't think they are doing more releases at this moment but of course that's also a friendly alliance that you can work with because they've interviewed quite a few people and that's off the top of my head I'm sure if I check the transfer website I can find more but these are the kind of concurrent teams and how did the teams negotiate access to meetings did they I mean would if we were to be able to film you yeah my open office I was like basically anything that takes place in social innovation lab soon as you check in advance and get consent from the other people who shows up in the same space is filmable it's very clear right so if it's within the cabinet property then we do our own filming and then we release it on our YouTube channel and then of course always under Creative Commons introduction which means that you can just work with that material but you don't get to bring your camera again but of course we are bringing cameras everywhere 360, Insta360 virtual reality and so on and there's a lot of footages but if you like your own footages then that's the social innovation lab it's an open space it's a park really there's no walls so feel free just to stream whenever you feel like and we'd also love to know kind of the rest of the year what challenges do you see coming up what do you think your key moments might be yeah the presidential happens is always a good lots of good optics and visuals and plenty of footages as well and each of the presidential hackathon teams carry their own very distinct story of cross-sectoral collaboration so that's the main event that I would encourage you to look to especially the award ceremony this year at the presidential hackathon also includes international teams as well as the counter coronavirus hackathon and so that's a lot of good stories another idea of course next year is the annual flag it's starting early next year we're going to have another presidential hackathon and hopefully these vaccines figures crossed it will be an even larger gathering okay great so the next presidential hackathon is the beginning of next year yeah so the process of course starts really early and then it goes all the way to September or something okay so it's currently taking place in the September is there a calendar? yeah it's a war ceremony you can check the website okay wonderful and with the filming yeah I'm wearing the presidential hackathon t-shirt okay nice that's great and with the filming would you be interested in shadowing you about in your everyday life perhaps going out for a meal and interacting with members of the public or seeing how it's like yeah there's plenty of footage just like that on our YouTube channel so I would encourage you to do that first like check the footage that you have in your access but as long as it's in the social innovation lab that's okay feel free to come I mean people do a lot of selfies and filmmaking there anyway so it's a free for all space and that's because it's designed as a open space yeah okay I think the visuals something I've seen recently is a photo shoot very fashionable one a lot of it is done in the social innovation lab the initial batch by the random persons on Twitter suddenly banding together and saying I really want to take a shot of Audrey's pictures and I just reply saying sure why not that initial batch was all taken in the social innovation lab I think the vote set was also in the social innovation lab UDN and many other mainstream media a verse which is going to be a new magazine it was also intelligent in the social innovation lab okay I was thinking that since you mentioned that there has been a lot of footages available and especially I think the last one last thing that you mentioned is it new because you said that they have some footages but they haven't really had a chance to maybe think about other mainstream they have two batches of footages one is just people, popular YouTubers interviewing and also our previous vice president did a crash course on epidemiology so you can check out all the footages they produce and the YouTubers' remixes of them in Taiwan can help that us but then they worked with a role at SCC did another set I think they did an interview with me also in our social innovation lab and also started drafting some plans but I don't think they have distribution arranged yet for the second set and they're cross funded so they have to make an account to the crowd that is a good use of their money Do you think that we will be good for Charlotte and myself obviously helping her to reach out to the team and then see that if they would want some monitoring I'm sure you can talk to Darius and Adi you probably already have their contact anyway I think I do but yeah they're easy to reach and I think Taiwan can help that us it's really interesting because it's a by itself they go sorry to tell like if your film talks about Taiwan can help that us I'm sure they'll be very happy because that's like what I call track zero diplomacy so it's really visible started multiple Twitter trendy hashtags and our own foreign service including myself referring to that all the time literally in the pre WHA video conference with 14 jurisdictions that's the main go to website that I invite them to check but our government has zero control over that website so it's our flagship like diplomatic corpse but it's cross funded and we have no control over it so that by itself is a really good story and the management of that website is that taking place in the social innovation that people who work there no it started on this platform called Zerdo and I believe Jane is somebody on it so they came as well well Jane you know it's everything it just so happens that we know it's at the farm very early so anyway yeah I had a also CC licensed public conversation with the person who worked with through their cross funding campaign so it literally started on a front funding website wonderful and in the rest of the year it's kind of the presidential hackathon preparing for that in the next year and then are there any other key challenges for Taiwan that you think are coming up that you will be involved in I don't know it's a miracle right so nobody is sure of what will look like for the event of pandemic itself the vaccine may get developed very quickly or it may not arrive by the end of the year we may expand the travel bubble significantly or it may not because of the third wave or fourth wave but we don't know and so what we are doing is to be as prepared as we can to stimulate local tourism and local economy and hope for the best in terms of the vaccine research I'm sure if you ask every other COVID team around the world they are pretty much conveying the same message okay do you have any other thoughts or questions no I think that's great so I think what we can do is to kind of plug into the research of the existing photos a bit more and there's chance I think we can develop something around that as a pitch and especially I think I feel that I'm quite interested in exploring the opportunities with collaborating with other teams and also collaborating with our filmmaker our filmmaker is very creative and actually the main branding of PDIS the kind of open government ideas that were at the beginning quite hard to convey directors and found all the very funny interesting ways to convey those messages so yeah he may have his own thoughts around that as well so yeah I think it sounds like there's multiple teams are working on this which is great because I think it shows that people are interested but in terms of the outlet for yourself or your team do you think that there's any type that would from your point of view be kind of useful or be kind of strategically or something that because I think that a lot of the footage like the idea of open source footage creative comments it means that it's transparent which is I think it's very important for the message interpretation so even if people who make hip-hop songs or the Dos Monos a band from Japan literally a rap band just took part of my interview footage and remixed it into their rap songs and that's not the kind of film that I imagined when we were producing this material but the great thing about creative comments is that they don't have to ask for my permission and that's the kind of open-ended creativity that I seek to foster and so at the moment that the most practical platforms are still YouTube and the usual channels like Flickr and so on but I mean that's just for the discoverability if people curate and edit and post it on wire and so on of course they tend to work with the target audience of that outlet at which point of course it becomes mostly their creation and I'm just the source material that they use Are you giving any talks internationally to any groups in the next month or two? Literally every day so If you check our PDIS YouTube channel you'll see that pretty much every day there's just conversations with international audiences as well as domestic ones Great sounds like there's a wealth of things to dig into and it's a great story something great for people to see and understand and I highly recommend for example if you're in your research you read a recent Wired article there's also a you can view source you can go back to this website and see the actual transcript that my conversation with the recorder how it looks like one is that there may be things that they omitted because it doesn't fit their target audience but you can nevertheless reuse and expand and the second thing is that the source material tend to hyperlink into other source materials each conversation with a professional investigative journalist serves this kind of a snapshot or outline of the available source materials out there because it does just too much material so anything that's more like a index or outline saves you time In the article when the journalist was exploring that my upbringing, dalwism, things like that was more interesting I think more interestingly your philosophy as being a facilitator and then the discussion that there are people who wish for you to kind of take a different approach Andrew Lennon had like five paragraphs he voted to get very attention and is that something that you see in your work that people discuss that with you in your work or is it more people talk about you to other people about that? It's on my head so how much force do I make of my suggestions on one side it could be coercive like it's my way or highway on the other side it could be purely nudging or suggestive but in the middle there's a whole spectrum of tonality that I can attribute to the messages that I send across but it's mostly in my head Do you have people in a work context or people when you're engaging with civil society saying that they wish that you would behave in a different way or show a different type of leadership? Any number of people saying that right now so if I just do a search right now on social media I said literally in the past one hour there's more than 100 people making concrete suggestions about my work and so it's literally hundreds of suggestions every hour and do you allow any of those to sway you? Of course if it's a better idea then I just take immediately and in terms of other politicians are they struck by your approach or have they changed their approach in response? Well I think this fast fare fun I merely describe what's out there so it's not like they hear fast fare fun and decided to be fast fare fun it's more like I summarise the political response system on virus pandemic and also the infodemic and it's a way that I summarise these learnings it's not like I'm a leading indicator I'm more like a trailing indicator in a sense that this happened and I did some theorisation Do you find it interesting that there's this political culture and understanding of leadership and there's a contrast with how you're conducting yourself do you see that kind of day to day do you see the difference? No I don't think there's certainly a contrast but it's not a difference the thing is that the contrast basically there's like vertical ministers that does this kind of reporting and there's a commanding relationship there's a top-down button-up because the ministries are structured vertically and we as horizontal ministers our ministry portfolio works horizontally in the sense that we look at different values and co-create common values out of those very different positions that each ministries take so just by the nature of the work of being a horizontal minister it basically says that my main contribution is going to be connecting those different pillars so it's contrasting of course there's some parts of the building that are connecting bridges there are some parts of the building that are pillars that are vertical but you wouldn't say these are differences like it is the bridges trying to convince the pillars to become bridges but anyway it's all a supporting structure I think that's part of the interview that was most interesting because it boils down to you staying strong in your philosophy and your approach and there's a culture out there that could change it but staying focused but that's what horizontal ministers do I'm sure the other seven horizontal ministers would say the same and the point here is that there are people who enjoy working horizontally more and there are people who enjoy working vertically more and for example when people in Japan compare Maine to their IT minister I often say it's not a good comparison because we do have a vertical minister or science and technology and what I'm doing is connecting the technology to for example education connecting the technology to for example health but I'm not by myself the health minister or the science and technology minister and these two ministers are also my father's age so there's room for those vertical pillars and horizontal bridges and that's my main point it was a really great article I've been reading lots of other articles and just haven't gotten to the meat of it and then this one without last night and I was just really able to dig in and see your work so I agree with Andrew's take on this and then we can go in and make some networks and make some plans and I think there's a lot out there to dig into OK awesome Thank you Thanks very much


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Hello, my name is Barathe Rajagapalm and I'm responsible for helping develop STs market and strategy for augmented virtual and mixed realities. You know, we are at a really interesting time today in the industry. We were seeing a convergence of technologies, products, solutions and services that span across a range of sectors from augmented virtual and mixed reality, certainly, to advanced driver assistance systems and autonomous driving, for unmanned aerial vehicles and drones, as well as a range of mobile robotics that spans everywhere from the industrial, commercial and consumer sectors. And what all these solutions and services and products have in common in these industries is a need for computer and machine vision. Wherever you have devices that are moving by themselves, machines that are having to sense and understand the environment will be a requirement for machine and computer vision. And so today, we'd like to show you a demonstration about one stage of machine vision. And so as you can well imagine, for a computer able to see, there are multiple technologies and multiple things that have to come to bear. And one of the key things is the ability to able to sense and map your environment and to able to reconstruct your environment. And so the demo today is all about 3D reconstruction and what's also called SLAMP, which is Simultaneous Localization and Mapping. And what that really means is that if I'm a robot, I'm standing somewhere, where am I? Where am I going? What's around me? And that's localization and mapping. And that's the core that's required in order to be able to have any kind of functionalities for machine and computer vision. So with that, let me go ahead and show you the demo and show you how it works. So what you have here in front of us here is an ordinary smartphone. This is a Google Nexus. And we're going to employ and utilize the built-in RGB camera of the Nexus as well as IMU, the inertial measurement unit of the accelerometer and gyroscope that's part of the phone. And in the back of it, we have fixed over here a 3D sensor. Now, this is external for the sake of ease of use or ease of demonstration. However, you know, with SDs, time-of-flight solutions and other solutions, we're going to embed within the phone itself a solution to do actual depth mapping, but again, for the sake of demonstration, we've decided to use an external device. So this device basically essentially is an infrared laser plus an infrared detector, which then allows the system to calculate the depth of all the objects in the scene or the field of view. And so in this demonstration, what's going to happen basically is the camera data as well as the IMU data plus the data from the 3D depth sensor will be merged together. And with that merging on every single frame that's coming through from the camera, we'll analyze all the key features, all of the key structures will track those in space and time. And then by doing that, we're able to then really have a much lower reduced set of data, which can then be processed by the algorithm, which can be done in real time. And so it's really important, always applications to do it in real time, so that's useful, so that's usable. And so we'll go ahead and kick off this demo and we will show you exactly what we mean by 3D reconstruction. In the display of the smartphone, you will see three images over here. The structural image is the one that once I start the demo, we will reconstruct the scene that's shown in front of you. On the lower left hand side over here to my left is the image as seen by the actual camera, it's of the cell phone itself. And on the lower right hand side to my right is also an image of a camera, but the IR camera from this device that I mentioned to you earlier. And so now with that, I'll go ahead and I'll kick off the demo. And what you'll see now over here is I'm going to go ahead, I'm going to pan this assembly with the camera and the structured light sensor around. And I'll go ahead and stop it here. And what I've done now, or what's happened here now is you actually captured the 3D scene and reconstructed it in real time. See that? It kind of looks like a picture, but it's really not. What we're able to do is we're able to apply very intelligent algorithms in combination with the data from the camera and as well as the 3D depth sensor as well as the IMU, put it together and with that be able to faithfully go ahead and recreate in real time a reconstruction of the 3D image. And that is the essence of 3D reconstruction or what's also known as visual slam or simultaneous localization and mapping. So why is this important? And what does it do for us? This is important because as I said earlier, this is the first stage of many stages required in order to develop really compelling applications for machine and computer innovation.  Or if I'm a robot that's navigating a city street to deliver something, same kind of a thing. You have to know where I am, where I'm going, what's around me. So in order to be able to do that, you have to have the ability of the machine to be able to see, know where it is, know where it's going, reconstruct a scene around it, and then our customers are partly able to develop applications that basically help it to navigate, identify objects and obstacles. So in the case of drones, you want to avoid, say, power lines. In the case of robots, you want to avoid people or other objects. And as I said, in the case of AR and VR, you want to be able to manipulate virtual objects in physical space. So that's the essence of 3D reconstruction and V-Slam or visual slam. So with that, I want to thank you for your attention. Should you have any questions, please feel free to chat to me, certainly. And, you know, let's look forward to working with all of you to help our customers and partners deliver great products.


I hope by now that these are familiar faces, so I'm not going to do any kind of extensive introduction In fact, I'm going to ask each of you if you could to just tell the audience who you are Just who you are and who you work for you know your name of your company, please Hello, my name is Oliver Karius I work for LGT venture philanthropy and we are an impact investor investing social into social enterprises in emerging markets Hello, my name is Faraz Khan originally from Pakistan and I am founder of a company called seed ventures that invest in grassroot businesses in emerging markets Hello, my name is Veronica de Souza. I am the co-founder and managing director of the RubyCup My name is Bo Seil. Me and two business partners actually two business partners and I Last year launched an investment firm called United impact which is really focused on investing in livelihood ventures in Asia So anything that boost incomes for low-income populations or provides new livelihood opportunities Thanks everybody Now I want all of you to know that these colleagues of ours don't actually know much about what I'm going to ask them And so I need to address you for just a second I'm going to ask you some really very simple questions, but there are questions that really require you to answer me with complete candor So whatever the question is, you know, think about it for a second if you need to and we really want to know, you know What the thought is that that comes in response and for the audience after we've had a chance to talk together We're actually going to invite you into this conversation a little bit too So you might be doing your own thinking as we go along here So to start this off Maybe I'll start with Bo if I could In the last couple of days, what if anything has happened for you that has been kind of a mover of the needle for you? Has anything happened that's really moved the needle for you in terms of your own work? Yeah, I mean as I think about it coming over here was a different perspective I'd been to SoCAP in the US a few times And we do most of our work in Asia, but I hadn't had a perspective on what was going on I think in the minds of folks over here So it was a very I guess you could say isolated perspective on how we on the West Coast and the different folks who I talked to Kind of viewed things and so for me it gave me a new perspective on approaches to sustainability What folks were really interested in when it came to even what impact really means And how we as a group actually need to message better in certain ways What people are looking for and what people are looking to learn Great, Oliver, you're here more How about you? Did anything happen in the last couple of days that moved the needle for you? Always Glad to hear it We're based, a small part of our team is based in Zurich So we've been watching a little bit what's happening in the impact investment space in Europe And I think against the context of what's happening politically I think it's super exciting to see that the image that comes to mind is like the wave is about to crash And we're on the surfboard and we're going to ride that wave And there's a constellation of a lot of interesting factors Whether it's capital, whether it's entrepreneurs, policymakers coming together and you get that buzz So I think it's really exciting and probably wouldn't have that same thing if you would have done it three years ago So interesting, there's some new perspective but also the sense that maybe there's a little of catching the wave finally Timing is starting to be right Somebody else said something to me the other day about early in the conference about the idea of feeling like they're a little bit on a surf ride It might have been you actually Veronica, how about you? I think a meeting with an investor before I came here Any meeting with any investor is a very scary thing for a social entrepreneur You're like how is my cash flow analysis actually looking and my estimated numbers for three years break even and you know And you're just scared of all the questions you're going to get And I think I always had this idea of what are the investors actually valuing So this gave me the opportunity to sit and listen to the insights of the thoughts And I think my surprise is that I found that the investors you are you investors are very similar to entrepreneurs Especially one session where it was discussed that what do you value and you value the people The idea obviously but the people that you work with and the relationships and the passion that you see in the project More than the numbers that is shown in the business plan And I think that is exactly what you value as an entrepreneur as well What you do and your passion so that made me very happy because now I know we speak the same language Did it give you more confidence? Yes, I think so because it takes away the it's like going to an exam and you think you have to know the whole curriculum Right And so you know like okay it's fine if you fail on some things as long as you have the right things right Then it's okay and you can actually use the advice and not have to know everything So yeah, much better prepared now And so the investor is less of a foreign quantity to you less of a mystery less of a fearsome something I still think that investors speak a very foreign language But I mean I need a translation sometimes even though I went to a business school And I still today honestly will say that I won't actually know whether I want that equity at what point in my business life But I do know now that I have contact and can actually ask people who are sitting on the other side and say Well, I have an offer from investor and I can call somebody or write them and say Can you talk me through this? Can you help me with this because you understand exactly what I'm saying It's not a scary thing Great transition to Faraz actually I just had this thought Faraz and I were in a conversation yesterday And one of the things he said when he was introducing himself was he said I actually don't do well with jargon do you remember when you said that So now here's an entrepreneur who's saying you know investors sort of speak this foreign language And you know investors can do better frankly at speaking clearly to entrepreneurs Is this bringing up anything for you? This isn't quite the question I was going to ask you but here we are Absolutely I mean most of the investors, I wouldn't say most of them but the paradigm is basically changing Now the entrepreneurs are becoming the investors and you would find that those investors who have actually been entrepreneurs They're less jargon oriented Coming back to your original question I was just thinking and this conference has worked for me on two scales Intangible and intangible and for intangible I'll just quickly share an anecdote A year back my seven year old daughter she wanted me to take her to a video store and get her door at the explorer And I was busy in a meeting and she kept on calling me She called me once, she called twice, thrice and I said I'm in a meeting, I'm in a meeting And then she sent me a text message and said this is important, call me I called her and I said listen, her name is Lailama I said Lailama I'm really busy, I promise I'll take you And she said Baba can I say something to you? I said yeah And she said lack of commitment, now these are her words She was seven years, seven years, two months Lack of commitment is not conducive for relationship That was a needle mover And I looked around in the meeting and I said listen I gotta go I drove my car, I went back home, I picked up my daughter and my wife I got her the DVDs and I asked my wife for lack of commitment, conducive relationships Where is she getting this from? And Socap over here These are all those questions that made me realize that we are living in a world where the children are extremely informed They are very engaging and very daring compared to our generation And they ask questions, questions that we need the answers And Socap basically gave at least the direction to those answers That was the intangible bit The tangible bit was that I've been actually looking to create a window for Pakistani social entrepreneurship landscape for international investors and entrepreneurs And I found my solution with Bertola over here Oh fantastic And we're creating a project and hopefully in three and a half months time we create that window That's fantastic Great to hear Any thought that that brings up for you Kevin? Other than seven year olds who are overarching I've experienced those as a grandfather these days I think the commitment and the relationship I think I've seen four or five Swedish investors here who have come here because they've invested in a particular entrepreneur who's appearing here Somebody who was an investor in Pea Pupil Somebody who had done like Hampus Jacobson around Barista And they'd only seen the commitment to the individual And then when they got here they said, oh there's more like that, that's in context And so I think they were led by the commitment to the relationship And I think that it opened up This is really interesting Swedish investor Her father had a business that built things She has a business that is investing And she's looking to do that kind of investment But I think the relationship and commitment brought them here seeking context So I think that's a key thing that I'm seeing here, absolutely So you ended up with a new idea actually out of the last couple of days Bo did anything come up for you that was Did you actually generate any new ideas for your own fund for your new work? Did that happen to you too over the last couple of days? Or was it more about making connections and sort of this perspective that this is provided for you? Yeah, I mean all of our stuff is really Asia focused So it's very very nuanced in a lot of ways So from new ideas I would say no Connecting with some folks and also feeling like there were people that I could help connect with other people who I think they would have never come in contact with Because there is a divide on a geographical basis And I've heard a lot of people come up to me and say Have you tried to replicate that in a different geography? And I said we're always willing to do it, but I don't know where I would do it Or I think Veronica and I talked quite a bit about different people I know in Asia who could be very good partners as she starts to scale her business So it was really more on the connection side Great, Oliver how about you? Do you actually spawn a new idea for you the last couple of days? You know you're sort of seasoned at venture philanthropy It's more that a couple of ideas that we've been discussing with other investors We've got validation for that So one certain thing when we spoke to a lot of the entrepreneurs here And this is always the inspiring part Is we always here we need working capital That's a lot of times And we've been together with the Shell Foundation And some others we had an energy round table in Zurich in February Where this came up So the more we get this kind of validation It sort of spurs us on and say Okay what can we do in East Africa to create a working capital facility That all the entrepreneurs out there can just go there and say I need X to ship whatever Let me get on with it So it's put the ball back in our court to think through some of these structures That can be very simple But what is really needed out there to move the needle? It's more like impetus Like I need to do more to solve this problem I can do something about this I don't have to just sort of claim that it's somebody else's Yeah great great How about you Veronica did you have an actual new idea for your venture That came out of the last couple of days Anybody sort of change your entire strategic focus for example? No That's probably good news But for now I did have the privilege of having the table out here And doing the pitch here I think I have been very very lucky personally Because it's much easier to stand up here and say something And then anybody who's interested can come and find me Instead of me spending three days running around and finding you So what I do have is ten pages in my book with really stressful notes Of a hundred ideas from all of you that I spoke to Who had insights And both from you know Everything from who to partner with To rethink the way you brand it To should it be pink I mean on so many different levels And I have not had time yet to digest it I'm gonna do that when I come back And I'm very very proud to go back to my partners in Kenya And discuss all these ideas So I didn't have any new ideas But all of you did So thank you very much for that And the hundred ideas that Veronica is now digesting And I think as an investor it's also good to hear That you didn't change your focus Because of the last conversation you had That's also a reassurance of focus But then ideas to add to what you're already doing Or maybe change the branding Maybe change the color Maybe change some of the marketing around it But that's also a good thing Where you suddenly didn't say I'm working on something else No, I mean it's also I mean my business is very simple It's only one thing so if we eliminate that We have to hold on to something No, but I think When you put yourself out there And that's actually my experience too I've also had great discussions All the other fantastic entrepreneurs that are here And when you actually risk it And put yourself out there And don't always try to speak the language As if you are in control of everything Every time you meet a stranger But actually say the things that you don't know It's very banal But it really works It really, really helps So I think personally that is what Has benefited me the most Actually putting your skeleton And your meat and blood And then people can walk by And punch you in the nose And you realize where it hurts And where it's actually okay That's well said, yeah Sort of, yeah Thomas Jacobson finds your business interesting He might be a guy to continue to follow up with Here in Malmo who does investing He did give me his email and said contact me So we'll see, he responds And he responds, yeah The next question is a little more A little tougher In other words, it's really one that I care deeply And I know Kevin does That we've learned from you about But it's sort of the other side of the coin Which is did the last two days Inspire anything to come up for you That was like major stomach Sort of a little queasy Or either for your business Or for this enterprise of creating This market in the middle Was there any kind of worry, doubt Fear, disappointment Or just plain like You know, something I thought I felt so sure of is now feeling A little less secure And whoever of you feels ready To answer that should just pick up the mic And give us a candid response Please I still today Don't actually really understand What is the difference between an impact investor And a really good investor In general Like what is you know Because if you have a really good investor That takes care of all the different needs You have and helps you and supports you Trains you, understands your vision Whatever your business is I still have a difficulty understanding Where people position themselves in that And how the deals can be different I'm not in doubt about how many Great investors there are And that the market is different And that you're looking for different things But the matchmaking with the right investor Are you the right investor for me And not the branding or the name or the stage Or do we understand each other Do we speak the same language So that was still a confusion I guess And that's really good To be at that stage Where you don't know I think probably the Voxstra folks Maybe said it pretty well this morning And they're the Nordic Impact Investment Fund And they said When they sold it to investors They sold impact and then said They sold itself And so I think for at your stage You want someone who What they want is to make a difference And they want it to be financially Sustainable over time I do understand what impact investment is But in 15 years, 20 years Let's hope if we all continue in this direction There is no difference between Social business and business And I think it's interesting Because sometimes you can get stuck In words and definitions Are you at this stage? Are you an impact investor? Is this patient capital Or is this something else capital? And it's just been confusing to navigate In the whole And it's part of, you know, it's being developed But I just That was my stomach feeling after two fantastic days It's still You need the right investor who understands What you're doing and who has the beliefs And what you're doing and the impact that It's a great place for an entrepreneur To have a queasy stomach because What matters with you is really So significant when you Decide that it's time for you to access capital Which for you is now So I actually feel sort of good that Your stomach is turning over a little bit The other side of it though about The sort of the space of opportunity And sort of clarification That's the other side of what you're saying Which is I think part of where we are In terms of an evolution Who's next? Anybody? Again, on two fronts Extensive jargons Which actually make life Really difficult for Entrepreneurs especially Now I've been a grass-root entrepreneur When I go to people now and when I Invest, I don't ask them these very difficult Questions and ROIs and And seed and all that and I say What do you do? And he said, alright This is what I do, it's like alright So how much money do you make? In his language, in her language How do you do your business? And then It's up to me as an investor to actually Put these jargons And models according to the information So I think that needs to And that's an education for investors To actually redesign Their communication On the other front Not exactly a worry but The momentum that has been created In this gathering The fire, the excitement The exchange of ideas The thunder The continuity of that And this continuity Not only in terms of staying in touch Or networking or communication of ideas But actual actions A continuum Yes, how and Where that is going to go to I mean if this dilutes it fades down It would be one of the most unfortunate things I'm sure it wouldn't and That was a question that came in my head Just to follow up on one point Before I kind of make my other point I think that the communication does need To be better between entrepreneurs and investors One of the things that I'm finding a lot And it would be interesting to hear Oliver's thoughts as well is We have very limited teams And a lot of times I find myself Helping the entrepreneurs bake And iterate on their business models Which I think is great and we have a commitment To doing that One of the downsides of that Is the process If I have to go in And help someone completely rework their financials Because they haven't taken the time To figure out how do I present this In a way that's easily digestible So there's always that balance We're very open to helping But then there's a lot of frustrations A lot of times that come from the entrepreneurs When I think that there were some things That they could have done to prepare their materials A whole lot better so I could actually Understand what they are doing We're very We realize we're in a messy business A lot That it's very early on We're based in San Francisco too One of the things I see from all my other friends Who aren't in impact investing But are raising money all the time They go talk to every one of their Entrepreneur friends They do their pitch 15 times And they put their materials together And they say how do I need to present this If I go talk to a client These guys and so they're really working on it And that's one of the problems about The space is that it's we're very Very fragmented from a geographic standpoint And having access to people who've gone through that Process is very difficult as well So one of my pieces of advice would be Don't be scared to talk to your investors And say I need to understand this But don't be shocked when I say I need you to go back and put this together Differently because I can't understand it And then you know kind of on the other side What's made me a little bit I would say concerned is And it's kind of been building A little bit And so it wasn't all here today But when I did hear some people Who are very well connected and understand How foundations invest And how people are looking at Program related investments And where money is flowing from And that traditional financial institutions Are not a source you can go after It did put me in that state where I thought We still are very early on in some ways And we've been able to raise tremendous amounts of funds And so the reports that come out And say we're going to have a 10x increase Every single year and the amount of funds going into this I think that we just need to be patient And we realize we have a long slug Ahead of us And you know just as My business partner was really There in the early days of venture capital Back in the valley It took a long time and it wasn't until They unlocked some different regulations That said that pension funds could now invest In other funds They started seeing money flowing And I think in some ways With fiduciary responsibilities Based on foundations of saying Either I need to do it as a program related investment Which I can't even It has to be primarily Not for profit And some other things And then they switch their investment hat on And then they need to say Hey I need to preserve all my capital And if I do a bad investment We still got a ways to go I think that's very True and I'm not surprised That's kind of feeling like a worry And as someone who's raised Capital previously in several Impact funds in California It looks to me like it's getting slower To raise funds not faster So Oliver The worry The niggling That we're not moving fast enough I think there's sort of a part of me Which is super excited And I can go away with incredible Insights and great new friends And that you can work with But also go away And the kind of problems That we're trying to solve We need to get moving And we need to get away From it needs to be completely Designed It needs to be this kind of risk Averseness somehow We have I think the belief In the resources that we have And the kind of visions that we all Carry in our mind to work together Much more collaboratively So what I would love to see at Socap For me is the kind of third P At the table If you think about public money Private money But also philanthropic money And where are the big companies That are setting up BOP funds That have tremendous resources For young entrepreneurs Where are they? There should be a table The policy makers should be at the table Saying hey here's a great new structure We need to That's a fourth P And for me that's one thing That I go away with How can we in the sector bring Those kind of piece together And make the cake bigger Rather than having to discuss How do we slice up this little muffin That everybody's happy And probably you're feeling some of that same Sort of sense of the I know I am That you know we've got to design Better for moving faster And actually Whether it was purposeful because you can Read my notes or inadvertent You've actually made a beautiful segue To my next question Which is actually the same question we're going to Invite you in the audience to help us answer And I'm going to ask you to follow Some rules in answering this question And I'm then going to ask the audience to follow So and you will be particularly good at this Because you've been practicing your Short pitch The question that we actually really Want to hear from you about is If you could design the next SoCAP You just offered a design point Actually if you could design the next SoCAP what would be The piece of design what would be The piece of content what would be The piece of new stuff That you would design in the next SoCAP You're the designer now you get the chance That my request of you and it's going to be My same request of the audience is You're going to have to answer succinctly So give it a little thought Because I'm going to need To hear from you in sort of a single Sentence as in In the next SoCAP what I would do Is design a matchmaking Day for investors and Entrepreneurs that would be an example That's not a good example to say but that would be An example of how I need to hear from you Because that's also how I'm going to invite You to do a presentation And Rosalie and Kevin and I are All as our whole team Super interested in genuinely hearing from you So starting with you And Veronica you are ready to answer So I'm going to let you go first And I think Rosalie is actually Yeah thank you very much I don't think matchmaking is that wrong But I would just I would do speed dating Speed dating Half an hour two minutes You have the chair That's what you introduce yourself to the person You sit in front of, that's it That was beautifully done You met all of my expectations too In terms of the process I would basically Design it in a way that Creates structure That each and every participant Should contribute Something in action Rather than just exchange of ideas Terrific Each and every participant Would exchange something in action Not just in ideas Beautifully done I have the image of a potluck And if I would design it I would build on your suggestion And answer three questions Why are you here What do you want to get out But also what do you bring So that it becomes a two way exchange Of capital Whatever it might be And particularly that last one So it's really about what are you bringing That I really particularly Focused on Rosalie are we going too fast A little too fast The Oh have you got You good Just one idea that I've always Thought through at conferences And I'm still trying to figure out The foundation for this but I feel like One of the things that we spend a lot of time Doing is providing background material As opposed to diving into nuance And as opposed to me Coming and giving you know Telling you for five minutes what I do If we could perhaps every single Panel that people are interested in If I just recorded a five minute video That was my spiel and Before people came to the panel You know put some onus on people coming to panels To actually know what you do And it's much more interesting so then If you and I are talking What are the lessons you've actually learned How would you deal with this as opposed to Getting introduced to one another Which they could actually you know I should be willing to do that And read on somebody's website really what it says I just think we'd learn a lot more So what you're talking about really Is both about being prepared to come To a panel but it's also about the panelists Being really prepared in advance With something that comes ahead of you And video is a great I think A great tool for that I went to a conference recently And there was a panel I went to Which honestly I had no expectations To be good it's the best panel I've ever been to in my life Because of how nuanced they got into the discussion I actually learned a tremendous amount About things that I didn't know It was really in depth about micro insurance And you really got to learn What some of the top thinkers The biggest challenge is that they were facing As opposed to just a very Blanket approach to what is it And all that and I think we've kind of gotten there I think people are and you will have People coming who won't know A tremendous amount and you know There will be some background material that needs to be provided What was coming to mind to me too Is if that also contributed to some of this Design to move faster you know If we could get into the nuance but come out of that With design components for what are the gaps We need to fill to move faster that becomes A really efficient use of all Of our commitment I think these are good ideas I don't think I If you look at take this as a potluck What do you give, what do you bring Without jargon I think we've heard that really clearly And Then the idea of quick speed Dating where maybe you get Into the nuance thing with Speed dating partner number seven Speed dating partner number twelve So I think you have to do some kind Of moderation between need to know What everybody's up to and then I want to know A lot more about what you're up to So I think some tools around What do you give and what do you Want but how do I Find out who's here that I don't Know and I think those are great I think those are great For you and the audience We're going to turn this over to you now We've got ten minutes That's plenty of time for some Great suggestions from you but I'm going To ask you to follow My basic sort of Ask which is when you're ready To talk it's a sentence, it's a very Specific concrete design element Otherwise Rosalie's hand will fall off And we won't be able to keep up But we're really interested in hearing from you As well so if you've got One and you're ready to go raise your hand And the quick moving beyond How do we get Twenty percent Of core foundation funds Into mission related investment By the close of the next administration Which would inject a hundred and forty Billion dollars Maybe if we'll write that in shorthand It would be twenty percent I'll work my way up Foundation Yeah Corpus Perfect thanks Arthur Ready to go? I would look at Socap itself as an enterprise And make a plan for Socap Ten years hence and then bring it Down okay impact which We're looking at Socap Ten years from now and then Who joins in three years from now five years Have a big plan like an enterprise And then break it down to what you want to do next year So start with the vision of ten years out And then reverse to here Have you got that? I feel like I know we're making you do the five Farthest work you okay Next I'd love to see more facilitated participatory spaces Can you say that one more time Because I'm not sure everyone heard you More facilitated participatory spaces All right more facilitated participatory spaces Do you mean like open space? Okay great thank you And actually building off of that I would love to see A wall where people can put their questions That they're sitting with Okay that we can all like learn from each other So somewhat like I was asking here When folks come up for you that's a question If there's a physical place Where you can put your questions And the second one for another participatory space Would be collaborative art space Where people can actually design the future That we want to see That's music to some of our ears I need to tell you that So Rosalie do I need to Got it okay Because we're ready to go with another one You would make you stand up if you don't mind I'd like to actually combine I think all four and a couple of peoples over here Sort of on the speed dating model But take people When they give what they're looking for Have some sort of metric For a participatory meeting Of say four or five people That don't really know each other And just have them brought together At a particular time during the conference Because I feel a lot of people here Don't know who the other people are And you just can't shift through this many people So if instead you did it by the metric Of what they're looking for And you can put a social entrepreneur A funder and X Y and Z So the design component would be sort of Put people together by what they're looking for And say that last part again In a small group Small space, small group Thank you very much Hello, my question is Can we encourage the design Of a transnational economic community Of impact pooling central capital And facilitating community and network development Through a commodatory process That would override the compartmentalised constraints You know what I'm going to ask you to do? You're the master by the way Of creating a sentence Would you mind coming down Physically coming down And giving Rosalie what she needs To turn that into a design element Just come on right on down Thank you very much I'm Rick Holt What I would like to do is combine several of these In a charrette type Where you have a table of interest And there's a point at which you have the pop-ups Which is a great thing But the table of interest allows people To go find the people that are there That represent a different interest That we could all aggregate to A little bit of a build I think on some of these design components But it's the charrette concept really Did you, are you okay? Who's next? I would build on some of the themes That were started here In terms of providing some scientific context So that entrepreneurs can identify Planetary opportunities With some of the large scale contextual threats And opportunities that are happening Within the planet On the global and local scales Are you speaking like a map With the planetary opportunities? I think there are different ways to communicate it But I think that the scientific data Provides a very important context That maybe is sometimes not necessarily Very obvious when we're just talking About addressing needs That there are other factors And having the resilience center here Was wonderful but to be able to continue That dialogue seems important So really having that scientific body Of facts and evidence behind I think that's a really important point I think we often all get sort of lost In the now it's a deal as opposed to What was the underlying assumption That led us to think that this was An area where we needed to invest Go ahead I would build up on those points And I would love to see an opportunity wall Which just says this is the idea Or maybe this is the need And this is the person to talk to Okay so again this is a physical wall And this is an opportunity And this is the person to talk to So you present your opportunity And actually the person to talk to gets Written up there Did I get it right though Because we don't want to get your design idea wrong Yeah there was right I just wanted like an overview board I could see me later and you say That sentence was completely wrong Thank you Hi Three simple ones One on the terminology issue Is a glossary page of Investor definitions in the handout That goes out Great To glossary Are you applause Thank you The second one is an entrepreneur If possible on each of the panels Alright Have that actual meaning Got that one And the third one I guess ties in with the science guy here About having some sort of Systems mapping What are the connections between some of these And potential negative impacts Of certain investments as relates to other Investments May I ask you one follow on to that Would you actually see that as a map Everybody is drawing on or do you How do you picture that Just tell me quickly Well we have these sketch artists Maybe there's a systems mapping sketch artist Great That's a great add though Thanks Whose hand We've got time for about five more I think if we keep this going at the right Thank you so much Yeah Hello I see we are like A lot more focused on the sharing Of the explicit knowledge More factual knowledge I think for next session We can more have a balance for sharing Of the tacit knowledge as well Like meaning more skill sharing Skill building personal Culturation Okay so skill building Personal like a Culturation Is that what you're talking I just want to make sure Yeah Okay thank you Sorry I don't want to move so fast That we miss your We miss it And we don't get what you're You know suggesting So that's why I'm stopping A little bit Please go ahead Hey Two simple ideas First is just a simple page That's going to be called What's next Where every single person Investor and entrepreneur Could put an action list So that we make sure That we go forward And the second is Just a video diary camera So one corner where There is a camera And people can leave a message For the people that They didn't manage to speak to So it can be a Speed It can be a pitch And an entrepreneur Sends to an investor He didn't manage to catch Or whatsoever Just a message for the future Okay But you're using a camera right Okay I've got it So you leave your message In video form Or in camera form Media form I'm sorry I don't want to discriminate To the people on the right side Since you only gave me Three more There he goes Bravo More science and more knowledge Sharing to encourage more Transdisciplinary dialogue Between social and environmental I've just noticed a bit of A division between the two And we really need to Learn from each other For these very urgent planetary Problems Did everyone hear that one In the interest of time That basically makes sure That we have an interdisciplinary Dialogue going on Lots of graphs Lots of knowledge sharing Data Things that allow that To become more integrated Correct My one sentence Recommendation is to bring in Representative citizens And communities In order to co-design A solution and implement them Instead of designing them Within a club of entrepreneurs And investors So the stakeholder The client Is here You okay? I'll give Yeah Sorry I think a lot of companies They come here And they find themselves At a crossroads So it would be really cool To have like a competition You're bringing one company They're at a crossroad And they're really open About their whole organization And everything And have SOCAP Just input everything Into that company Possibilities and contacts And then throughout The conference And then come up With some sort of Where should they go now? So it's the whole village So to speak Giving input to that Entrepreneur at a crossroads If I got that right Okay, thanks And I think we can do Two more Is that what you got? Okay I have an easy one Allow for more muse Allow for more time In the interactive sessions And give us some more Open space And I mean outside So it's not that noisy If you communicate More time More open space Physically open space Get us outside Following on the glossary If you could post some paper Somewhere where you Put the definitions Of the words And the jargon So that people that speak Other languages Could write down What they could be In other languages I'm trying to think about How I'm going to take that Back to where I live And I'm not sure How to translate All these things So be more aware Of a multilingual ability To translate At least in terms Of those very important Terms that can turn into jargon But thank you Oh, Speedy won And thank you to all of you Kevin, go ahead Yes, of course What I'm visualizing is There are four or five main grades Mandates, investors, entrepreneurs And regions, country regions If you can have Some sort of a diversity search In which, for instance I want to search someone Who is doing water investment In Guatemala Names come up So it becomes easier For any and everyone To get connected And be more specific about it Right, okay So again, it's the use of The tools that we can use On online media The SoCAP Connect But make sure that it really Can do that kind of, yeah I guess so Please, of course I just want to make one argument Against it Right now I think that Focus is very important Both for the entrepreneur And for the investor But the more Closed you are In what you do So the investor is I can search Menstruation Okay, nothing is going to come up But water Guatemala, right And so you'll be approached By somebody And you will not Actually be open to new ideas And just My personal experience is CEDA The grant that we got From the innovations against poverty Was completely open And that's the only reason Why we could get the seed funding So if you just keep on thinking I would rather try to You know Keep your focus But keep it open in some ways And not try to learn To think in the Boxes That can be a Yeah Well Kevin This is You know This is where I want to Come back to you And also to close this out As a Founder Of Socap convening And as a co-convener Of Socap with Rosalie This must sound to you Like a little bit Of familiar territory You know This idea of welcoming The outsider And keeping the open Open mind Along with this Craving, this hunger Obviously for people Design more ways To quickly interact Any thoughts or ideas? Yeah I think a lot Of the questions And a lot of the requests Are What I hear a lot Is that We don't want to be Drowned in jargon We do want some clarity And you know Bringing in science Bringing in some Systemic reality And yet being Open to Geez This new thing So I think it's You know Probably the The single piece of Research that stuck In my head today Was something from J.B. Morgan Where they said 60% of investors Would take a Discount to return And 60% Don't think They need to That's 120% That means They're not clear They're of two minds And yet They're taking action Before there's clarity I mean The good news is It's not clear It's really early And yet Lots of new things Are happening In response to the demand I mean And I think Maybe the best way I've Heard to sum up The core of this market Is that This is a market Arising in response To a moral hunger And action Goes first And clarity Comes afterwards That's What we're doing. And You know One of the things That I so appreciate About your hunger And appetite For joining us In this conversation About design Is that One of the things That really Made it so important To me to join This organization Is the idea Of a core value Of setting the table Well Which is one That I feel A very strong Personal Attraction to And it's one Of the core values And also I want to thank you all Because With a little effort On our parts We can listen carefully To what you want And you're helping us Set the table well For the next SoCAP So with that I think we're out of time We're probably out of energy Or almost Except for Bjorn Who I'd like to see run Like maybe Two or three laps If you could And I want to Give all of you A round of applause And thank you also To all of you For volunteering Last minute And leave it to you, Kevin Thank you for helping us Build the conference Thank you for helping us Build the market That is at the intersection Of money and meaning That is a movement And is also a new way Of using and Thinking about your money So thank you all Thank you very much


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State Statistics Service of Ukraine is actively worked under the IDP statistics, because since 2014 about 1.6 million IDPs have arrived to the government-controlled areas of Ukraine due to situation in Crimea, Donetsk and Glugansk regions. The majority of the IDP registered in 2014 and 2015. The IDP has a legal framework with several laws and regulations that ensure the rights and obligations of IDPs. This includes regulation on registration and deregistration of IDPs in the IDP register of the Ministry of Social Policy. The IDP register has not worked well for dead registration IDPs, and the current number of IDPs aren't certain. The estimate from the IDP register in January 2009 is 1.3 million, while OCHA estimated the number to be 800,000. Its voluntary to register and estimates by IOM shows that less than 5% choose to not register. That could be due to stigma or that they don't need any assistance. There are several challenges with using it, as a source of IDP stocks and flows. The lack of systematic approach to maintaining the register and updating with new information means that the number of IDPs most likely is overestimated. The current software is outdated and Ministry of Social Policy is currently upgrading the software for the register. They should facilitate maintenance and reporting. In parallel, the Ministry of Social Policy is revising the register to identify non-IDPs, returnees, double counting, etc. There is a dialogue between SSSU and MSP to cooperate to improve the IDP register, and MSP has indicated that they will share data with SSSU when the current improvements are in place. And it's critically important to get an accurate number of IDPs in Ukraine today. And the State Statistics Service of Ukraine is likely to be best placed among the different institutions and stakeholders to compile IDP statistics. Data on stocks, flows or characteristics of IDPs. They propose to establish temporary working group which will work together under the creation of solid statistical system of IDP counting. They propose to be members of this group to Ministry of Social Policy, to Ministry of Temporary Occupied Territories and some international organizations like International Organization on Migration and UNICEF. The aims of the group is to strengthen the scope and quality of IDP statistics, and to align definitions and other metadata on IDP statistics. Hope this example could be the best practice for other countries. Thank you for your attention.


Minna-san, konnichiwa. Wadashiwa, you, this. Hello, good afternoon. I'm Xiong-si. And this is the first time I'm representing my company, speaking internationally. So if you cannot tell, I'm very nervous right now. But let's begin. So my name is Xiong-si, and I work at Tsukse. Under the hardware enablement Taipei, Taiwan team. And I mainly work on VPF, but that's not the topic of the talk today. Today I'm going to talk about a brief walkthrough of how to work with OSS-Fuzz reported issues. And also a bit about how to submit patch to the Linux kernel mailing list, LKML for short. But my main focus today will really be the OSS-Fuzz reported issue. So let's dig into it. The journey begin here. And at Tsukse, we have a dedicated security team. They will monitor and track security issue for us. It was a normal hot and sunny Monday, because it was always hot and sunny at where I live. And that's why I'm wearing this. And anyway, so I got a report from the Tsukse security team saying there's an issue with the VPF. I'm the package maintainer. So therefore I have to look into it. And they for me the CVE number, and so I can look into it. The first thing I check out is the CVE description that's here. And it says that the VPF version 0.6 has some buffer overflow and the VPF object open function. That is quite specific, but not enough for me to fix the issue. So I keep on looking. There's this reference section in the CVE report. So I follow that link, and this brings me to somewhere else. So I could see that there is some information that I already know, but also some more new information that I don't yet understand. And also a few links to this website called OSS-Fuzz. So that brings a question. What is OSS-Fuzz? Looking into the documentation, it says that it's a free service that runs Fuzzer for open source project. And it's a service that was started by Google back in 2016. And later it's done in collaboration with the Open Security Foundation, which is all open SSF for short. Now, all that is good, but the problem is that I do not know what Fuzzer is at that point. So I had to look into it. So what are Fuzzer? Well, I find that instead of saying what they are, it's easier to describe them by asking like, what problem are they starting to solve? And the problem that they're trying to solve is around bugs. If you think about it, to fix bugs, there's actually two parts of the equation. First, the bug has to be discovered, and only then can the bug be fixed. So this raises the question. Can the bug be discovered before the user, before the developer, or even the researcher sees it? And basically, can the bug be discovered with minimum human involvement? And as you have guessed, the answer is yes. And Fuzzer is one way of doing so. And briefly, the Fuzzer works like this. So Fuzzer is a piece of software that feeds random input into a target. The target in my case is libbpf. And when it feeds this random piece of input, it also checks for unexpected behaviors. For example, program crashing will be an unexpected behaviors. And when such things happen, it's a bug. And we have found one. So that's basically how it works. And knowing how Fuzzer works and knowing what a Fuzzer is, we can look back at OSS Fuzz. So it's a free service that runs Fuzzer. In other words, it's a free service that tries to find bugs in open source software. And actually, it focuses more on the security issue of open source software. So back to this OSS Fuzz report. Well, I know now that this is a bug report, of course. But secondly, I also know that this is actually a bug report that is filed by software. So unlike your usual bug report filed by user, where you can interact with them and ask for more input and ask more questions, we don't get that benefit in this specific issue. But that said, OSS Fuzz actually provide us with a lot of helpful tools to develop this issue. But to get into the details, we had to get our hands dirty. And the first thing is that I want to see the issue for myself. With that, I can kind of get into more details. And OSS Fuzz helps me by providing a reproducer test case. So what is reproducer? Back to our introduction of Fuzz. Fuzz feeds random input into a target and waits for a bug to happen. Well, this random piece of input is the reproducer for such bug, which means that if I run this reproducer provided by OSS Fuzz, I should see the same issue again. The first thing is that I first need to set this to run the reproducer, I have to first set up the environment. And it's actually quite trivial. So the first thing to do is clone OSS Fuzz. And the next thing is to run OSS Fuzz provided helper to build the image. Here I have to provide a project name, which is, of course, the BVF. And this will try to get some container image, which could take a while, depending on your network speed. It may take 10 to 30 minutes. And this build a container image for building LibBPF. So it only creates this container image without LibBPF yet. It's just the build environment. So the next thing I have to do is clone LibBPF. And with that done, I can now finally build the BPF itself with a fuzzer. But for that, I have to give it three arguments. First is, of course, the project name, the BPF, and then the source to the BPF. And lastly, the sanitizer. So what is sanitizer? Again, referring back to our fuzzer introduction, we have some check for unexpected behaviors. And the sanitizer actually are the checks. So since there's quite a bit of unexpected behavior, different type of them, we also have different type of sanitizers. For example, for uninitialized memory use, we have the memory sanitizers to detect them. And for the shift out of bound, there is the undefined sanitizer. But for a flow, we had used the address sanitizer. And there's also one for data race, which is the thread sanitizer. So you don't really need to know all this because all this fuss report actually tells you that. In our case, we're using the address sanitizers. So that's what I'll use. And with that, it builds the BPF alongside the fuzzer. Now we have completed the environment setup, basically just four steps. And I can move on to running the reproducers. For that, I just download the link provided in the report, rename it, just to make it easier. And then again, using this OSS fuzz helper script, I gave it the reproduce command. And the BPF is the project name again. Reproducer pass will be the one that I just downloaded. And there's also a fuzz target name. So fuzz target is basically what interface or what function the fuzzer is testing. And again, this can be seen in the report. We'll be using the BPF object fuzzer in this case. And actually BP, the BPF only have one fuzz target. So it's always this one. And we put that into the argument. And now I can start to see something. So there's this address sanitizer report saying there's a heat buffer overflow. So if you think about it, it's just like six steps going from knowing nothing to reproducing the issue locally on your machine. So I'll say that's a very nice thing to have. And with the issue reproduced, the next thing is to try to diagnose what's wrong. And the sanitizer and OSS fuzz actually helps you a lot with it. The sanitizer report contains a lot of information. The first thing it contains is exactly at which function and which line of source code does the issue happen. So we can tell, we can see that it's here. But this heat buffer overflow issue actually requires more digging. You need to know the root cause by looking at where it is allocated. And for that, you look at the second part of the address sanitizer report. And I can see that it's occurred in the same function just a bit higher up. So I can tell that while the heat buffer flow happens here, the memory was actually allocated here using this some section count. And I can tell that the section count comes from elsewhere, from another field. So this is a point that it's hard to get too specific into the issue itself. So for the next part, I'll kind of just skim through and mainly for time constraint and not digging too much into detail. But in short, with just print f magic, I realized this number is zero. And looking into the spec, there's a part of the f spec saying that such a number can be zero. And in such case, the real value is stored elsewhere. So I have to look somewhere else. And just so happened that I could use some helper functions for it. So I could use this elf get section header number and to retrieve the real number that I'm looking for. So I apply the change. And next thing I want to do is to see if the reproducer still could trigger the issue. So I had to rebuild the fosters again, rebuild the BPF because it's compiled and I change the code. So compiled it. And the next thing is to try to reproduce again. So this time I see that no address sanitizer report coming out, which means I have fixed the issue. So all is great. So next thing is just to commit. And that concludes the first part of my talk. The first part about how to use OSS files, I hope it's clear enough that it's quite easy to use and you can surely, well, not surely, but most of the time you should be able to find the OSS report and reproduce the issue locally on your machine. And now move on to the second part, submitting a fix. So if you just ask as a random project, like where should I submit the changes, you can say GitHub and you'll be right like 90% of the time, but not for the BPF. So although the BPF has a rep thought, a repel on GitHub, the changes should be submitted to the BPF mailing list because the BPF is integrated into the Linux kernel source code. And then for that, we have to post our patch to the BPF mailing list. So it's not really LKML, like the topic kind of, the subject of this talk is kind of off, but please forgive me. It's, I think the process is close enough. So what I'm going to say next should apply to LKML as well. So posting patch to the BPF mailing list. So if you have not worked with mailing this before or you just heard of it for the first time, it's essentially a discussion form kind of like Stack Overflow and like Reddit, except all the exchanges are done through emails. And there's quite some specific requirement for, for sending emails, especially sending patches there. The first and foremost, the most important part I would say is the email subject because that's what everybody sees at the first site. And the email subject actually contains two parts. The first part in closing the square bracket is a prefix. Inside the prefix, you have to specify that I'm sending a patch by, by saying patch. And secondly, you have to specify what tree this patch should go into. So tree is essentially just what rep hold that your patch should go into. For that, you can look into the BPF mailing list developer guide and it tells you that there's actually two BPF kernel tree. The first is BPF. The second is BPF next. Now, since I'm sending a fix, I see that BPF tree itself is for fix. That's where I'll send. So I use BPF for the tree. Up next is the version. So what version of the patches patch set are you sending? So this is the first time I'm sending this patch. So version one. And for version one, you actually can just skip it. So that's fine. Now we move on to the last part of the prefix, the sequence number. This is also, this is mainly for a situation where you're sending multiple patches at once. And in my case, in this simplified case, I'm only sending one patch. So one over one, I can also skip that. This leaves me with the prefix of patch BPF. And up next is the component part. So for component, I find the easiest way to find it out is just to look at the Git log and put in your file and see what others says the component it is. So in this case, it's pretty clear it's just the BPF. And that's what I use. So last, and probably the most important part is the actual subject that you'll be using. And I find that it's really hard to come up with a good subject, like just right away. So what I do is I actually skip this part and postpone it until later. So I'll move on by generating a patch. Well, actually the email file that I'll send for my patch. This can be done with the Git format patch. And recall that we already have a prefix that will be used in our emails. So I gave it to this command with the subject prefix. And I also specify which commit it should output. Since I'm using the last commit, I just use hit minus one. And this will give me an email file that I could further edit. Fire up the editor. And this is likely what you'll see. So what I need to do next is to fill it up with some commit message. And I find that usually when sending patch to BPF mailing list or OKML, I find it's pretty nice to have some template. And the template that I'm using is basically abstract, followed by content, followed by summary. So abstract is just very short sentence, saying what this does and why I did this. The content will go into a bit more detail on the reasoning behind this change and followed by the summary that enclose everything. Since it is a fix, I usually get into more specific details. So I'll say what the symptom of the issue is and followed by the root cause. And so for my patch, in this case, this is what I'll say. For the abstract, I look at what my changes. So I replace a field with a helper call. So that's what I'll say. I say this commit replace this field with this helper call. And as to the why, well, because I want to fix a heap of flow issue. So that's it. Now I can move on to the symptom. For the symptom and for OSS Fuzz, I actually have a very good summary. And that is the sanitizer report. Paste it in and the maintainer usually will have a pretty good idea of what's going on. And for the root cause, I use the EF spec content, a bit summarize and reduce, but that makes a pretty good group cause discovery. And for summary, I just go over the reason again, followed by the changes I made. And now I can go back to fill the title. So the subject is, firstly, it has to have the components I added, but I also need the main part. And I find that it's usually pretty easy to extract something for the first part, the abstract of my comment message and just stick it there. So in this case, I decided to say, this just replace some field with the helper function call. Equally, I think I could also say that this commit fixed a heap buffer flow issue, but that felt a bit too general. So in this case, I thought it's better to be more specific and see my changes. Now we're almost done. You have to still add some more things. So first is the certificate of origin. So any patch you send to LKML, the kernel source code must come with a certificate of origin. Secondly, it would be nice to say that what this patch fix. So the main use for this is like this from maintainers like me or others can discover that there's some issue with the code base and releasing and apply this fix to some older release product. And it really helps with the whole process. And thirdly, if you have some link to some external reference like this case, it'll be nice to add it. And I had to do a bit of trick to make it work. But if I had the time, I'll talk a bit more about this.  And my configuration, my setup is basically MSNTP plus mute OAuth to script. And with that setup, I can actually send all the patches through Outlook. So if my setup could work with Microsoft, it probably could work with any setup out there. So it should be worth trying. And with that, I can send out the email with the send email command as the name implied. So you have to send it somewhere, which is the BPF mail in this. And it's also nice to have a dryer on to test your script, test this, whether it works before actually sending out. So once you make sure that everything works nicely, you can actually send out a message. And to be very complete, this would be the command line I would actually use. So the one on top actually just sent to the BPF mailing list. But ideally, you want to send also to the maintainers, not just the list. So just to make sure they get it and they see it. So for completeness, this will be the one I'm actually using. But I think if it's like a very simple fix and just one shot, I think nobody will show that you by sending just to the BPF mailing list. And when after your mail and send, I start a code review. In my case, the BPF maintainer says that there's something that bothers him with the code I have. And he suggests some fix that I should do. So it does the change. I make the use of helper function closer to the actual allocation as suggested and commit a man format patch. This time it's the second time I'm sending my patch. So I had to add a version to and also slightly added the patch. So when you're sending another version of your patch, you need to specify what changes are made. And usually this is done in something called the cover letter. So when you're sending multiple patch, you'll send the first kind of like a summary of what your whole patch set does. But since I'm only sending a single patch, in this case, I'll put my changes just before the stats of the diff. And this way I have something that the emails reader would see, but also would not make into the final get repo. And so I say that the changes I made, I actually go against a different tree. And here's the changes I've made and then send it. So that's pretty much the, I guess, the end to end process of going from finding an OSSFAS issue into having your patch accepted at the Dennis kernel source. And if you're interested, I think there's a lot of opportunity for contributing mainly against OSSFAS, but of course also against Dennis kernel. But this slide will be mainly about OSSFAS. So OSSFAS actually tried to build and fuzz a lot of different target. And right now there's actually quite a bit of target there failed to build, which means they're not getting fuzz. So if you want to help, you can look into that. And there's also a tracker for all the OSSFAS reported issue. That's also something you can work in. And there's some more resources, mainly on fuzzer and on synthesizers. And that would mark the end of my, I guess, the main talk. So yeah, arigatou gozaimasu. Thank you. So any feedback or questions? This is just some feedback. I work on the team that supports OSSFAS. If you, there is money that Google will give you if you help improve OSSFAS. So check out the bark hunters page of Google and you can learn more there. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for that. I forgot to mention. Yeah. I think there's some, as mentioned, there's some bounty. Let's see if I can open. So you really get paid, I think, quite a good sum of money if you try to integrate it into the existing open source project, the first one, right? So is there some, like, a threshold or some requirements for the open source project to be considered part of the award program? It will get checked for the criticality of the project. So, like, just picking some random project no one uses won't get a bounty, but you can get up to US$5,000 for really critical projects. All right. Thanks. I'll also add, like, this also includes, if you scroll down, improving coverage as well, which is, yeah. Yeah. So one thing I think I learned while looking at fuzzer is that besides issues that crashes or memory sanitizing issues, fuzzer could also be used against to find some logical errors, I believe. So I think one thing that math-related library could be fuzz is that if you have two implementation of the same library and you could try to give them the same input and if they give you a different result, that means something is wrong and this is a logical issue that someone should look into. All right. So I guess that sums up my talk. So if you don't remember anything, just remember that you can get paid by integrating OSS fuzz into important open source projects. And thank you, everyone.