This is the first time I attend to the Wikimedia, because it is very near to where I live compared to some former, you know, former Wikimedia. And I work for Chinese Wikipedia as an editor for about five years. China has a big population, but only a few contributes to this greatest project, I think. I think it's a pity. So there's still a long way to go. I am from Syria, I live in Saudi Arabia. My age is 17 years right now, and I am coming to Kimania to share my experiences and knowledge with the others and to know more people of the movement of Wikimedia around the world. I think these two days I'll just try to learn about how you deploy education programs, how do you pitch to professors and teachers in schools about the benefits of Wikipedia, the benefits of Wikimedia projects. And I want to bring this experience and the practical practices to Taiwan. Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. We're the people who are doing that, and every year we keep cranking along and working and working. And I think Wikimedia is a great time to stop and reflect on the successes that we've had so far. And so I wanted to go through quickly just some of our milestones this year. When you've been at it as long as we all have now, over 12 years, it's easy to get a bit jaded about certain milestones, but to me they're still very, very exciting. When we look at the big numbers, 28 million articles, 286 additions, well that's a nice big number, but it's almost too big to contemplate. And certainly none of us is working in a project where the number 28 million has direct relevance to us. It's not something that we try to achieve. But what's interesting to me is the breakdown of languages that have different major milestones. So we now have 120 languages with at least 1,000 articles, and obviously those last 20 languages are all just barely over 1,000 articles. And what I would encourage people to do is to go out there and find those Wikis, go to the list of Wikipedias, and go see who's working there and meet them. Come out of your own home, Wiki, where you're used to working, and maybe at a moment when you're discouraged about some of our usual idiotic arguments that we all accidentally find ourselves in as Wikipedians. Go do something completely different. Go pick a language that you know very little about, hopefully a regional language in your area where they may speak your language. And go and try and find someone there who speaks your language. English is always a likely choice, but depending on the part of the world it might be French, it might be Russian, it might be something else entirely. And just go and chat with them and ask them how they're doing and ask them how you can help them and say, I'm sorry I don't speak your language at all, but I would love to spread the word and help you in whatever way I can. And it's an incredibly rewarding thing to do to go and meet those people who are just at the beginning of that journey. Last August, I flew to Frankfurt am Main, Germany for my first encounter with Wikimania. Here, at a local youth hostel, hundreds of people from dozens of countries gathered for a week's worth of conferences, conversation, and conviviality, all united by one goal, creating a free online encyclopedia in every language on Earth. Wikipedia.org, the website where this encyclopedia can be found, now ranks among the most visited and valuable in the world. It was created at virtually no cost by volunteers, these self-styled Wikipedians, using an innovative computer program called a wiki, which enables anyone to write and edit on a web page. Okay, so otherwise you would have seen it a lot more often. Okay, but just that one line, so we're good to go. Akadon is mainly where people who are developers or coders kind of thing who works on the software side of Wikimedia, they come and they join, sometimes they work on their own concepts, their own ideas, or sometimes they work with a guy like me who doesn't know much of the technical side but then who needs assistance. So I know what I need to be done, but I don't know how it's to be done. So the people would be here who can assist me or help me technically. My name is Linus Velukas. I'm a developer from Vilnius, Lithuania. Open source software is when you develop something and you want it to share with the world, and you want the rest of the world to use it and to improve it. If you are lucky, you release it under an open source license and from then someone takes it to use it for their own projects, for their own needs, and here she likely improves the software and gets it back to you. So you can then both use the same software. My name is Benny Lin. I'm from Solo Indonesia. One of my purpose here is to help Japanese Wikipedia to use their own script, which is a Japanese script. The script is not available to be used in a web page anywhere and MediaWiki is the first open source project that would enable people to type Japanese script as it was written 100 years ago. I'm a medical student and I'm interested in stuff that's related to promoting women into Wikipedia because there have been so few women editing Wikipedia in my country and as well as globally. So I'm talking with people who are interested in the same issues and trying to collaborate with them and I'm trying to learn from them. People from different parts of the world have different ideas. There are certain things which work in their culture which we can really assimilate into our culture. We had a very valuable conversation with people from South America, from Bolivia and Venezuela and Brazil. They have some good achievements in their Wikipedia and in Arabic Wikipedia we have a lack of awareness. People don't know how valuable their contributions are. It's very easy and we are in a level. People don't know till now that you can edit Wikipedia. My name is Tom Hogarth. I come from Perth in Western Australia. This is my first Wikipedia that I've attended and the conference hasn't even started. Yet I feel as I've got more than I could possibly have hoped for. The networking, the meeting people from other countries and putting a face to the other editors and realising how human they are compared to some of them compared to how they are online. A lot of people who are older who have computer skills probably don't understand that it will be very easy for them to edit and help and assist. In some cases some people have a sense of their proofreading or their wanting to check facts is something that perhaps a younger editor may not be so patient with. There are some maintenance project issues which can be time consuming but it's very satisfying. When you get to a point you've just finished working out a category or you've finished working out an article and getting it up and it's accepted by others and they actually look at it and they appreciate it.  I'm Vera de Kock, I'm from the Netherlands. I've been a developer with the Wikilev Monuments Project in the Netherlands and I'm also an administrator at Comments. Wikilev Monuments is a photo competition that started in the Netherlands about five years ago. It started out as a national contact test around our national monuments. The next year following that it was a number of European countries. Since then it has been an international contest involving countries around the world and this year China actually will be participating for the first time. This is the usual explanation for what is free software or free knowledge or open content. I didn't understand about it. I'm German, I asked an American who speaks German and I said Chuck can you explain me what does this mean? And he said Siko just forget it. In the English language you have a problem. The word free, many people think free that means you don't have to pay money for it. Yes and in German you don't have the problem. In German people would think anything of free but you don't use it in German. It's not necessary and it's just confusing because you talk to people about don't think of free beer. Well what will people do when you say that? When you're in Germany and you talk to people about free beer what will be the consequence? You will make them bark like a dog. Yes it's just distracting, it doesn't help you to explain. Free speech, what is free speech? It's Benjamin Franklin, it is a printing press, newspapers, it's a speakers corner in London Hyde Park. But no one will understand what you mean in this context. It is folklore, it's an insider joke just for Wikipedia and other crazy people. No one will ever have something of this. I use this, a suitable picture, I got it via Facebook, all audiences, I use it for the elderly, for young people and everyone between them.  So this is an ape, I forgot the species but this ape is anywhere in the jungle in Asia. And there was a famous photographer who had a lunch break. And then the ape came and he saw this camera and it's interesting and he played with it. And finally the ape made this picture by himself. And then I asked my audience, well I am showing you this picture. Am I allowed to do so? Is this legal? Do I have the rights? And people will say anything, they will say the rights. Well the ape took the picture so he has the rights, you must ask the ape. Yes? Or the photographer, yes the owner of the camera. No? It's the owner of the jungle or the piece of land where the ape lives or the government, they have the rights. And the only correct answer is no one has the rights because copyright is for humans and apes cannot, they have not the creativity you need by law to be a copyright holder. So this is public domain, you can use it. Something I hadn't expected before I started working on Wikipedia is how much ideology is involved in making it really open source and accessible to everybody. If you're copying something you have to make sure that it's clearly classified as being in the creative commons area. If there's any sign of any form of copyright by anybody you just don't touch it unless you have a special permission. Especially when you're working on illustrating the Wikipedia articles it's very tempting to skip the free part and just include pictures that have been published elsewhere on the internet and take a less absolute stand on copyright law but taking that absolute stand makes it possible to redistribute the entire work we've been doing to people that don't have access to the internet. So Wikipedia can be provided offline on computer, on a stick or on DVD like it was done in Kenya or on a new stick like Afripedia and Kiwis are doing currently in Western Africa. So there is an increased access of Wikipedia. But the question is how is Wikipedia used and how could it be used in better ways? One of the answers comes from one of the projects that have been implemented in Kenya and students that receive access to Wikipedia offline were extremely happy about it but what they noticed is that unfortunately Wikipedia didn't provide what they needed for their curricula. We are a big team and delegation from Kazakhstan. We came from 11 cities in Kazakhstan. So we came here for one common goal to develop Wikipedia. In our schools we have little Wikipedia clubs so there was our first meeting in Kazakhstan Wikipedia and since this meeting we helped to make Kazakhstan Wikipedia better and bigger. I would like to underline the importance of Wikipedia in our educational process because many international teachers who are teaching our students educate us with the help of Wikipedia and they also suggest us to use sites such as Wikipedia or Wikimedia in order to increase our knowledge. So the Wikimedia movement has been giving out grants for a number of years now. Probably the first grant givers out were the Wikimedia Foundation maybe the German chapter possibly also the French chapter. Last year we took a massive leap forward in our ability to give out grants and in the amount of money that we gave out as a movement together. And it looks like this. So last year the Wikimedia Foundation gave out just over 5.5 million US dollars to about 35 organizations around the world and to many, many hundreds of individual volunteers. So what you see on the right here is a chart of how that breaks down. So it's Germany, France, the United Kingdom, Switzerland and the Netherlands, India, Argentina and 27 other countries. The Global North gets the sort of lion's share of the dollars that we give out about 95 cents of every dollar goes to the Global North and about 5 cents of every dollar goes to the Global South. What we did in 2012-13 was we established the Funds Dissemination Committee which is a volunteer led group of people who make recommendations to the Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees for where the money should go. This past year I would say that what we focused on mainly was the infrastructure of grant making. We were doing a lot more grant making, a much bigger scale than we had ever done before. And so we had to focus on process and systems and structures and just how the mechanics of the work were done. Visual editor. So the purpose of the visual editor is to allow people to edit without their having to learn wiki syntax. The visual editor should enable more readers to become editors. But I actually don't want people to think of the visual editor purely as something for new people. It is designed for new people and the reason we're building it is because new people are too deterred by wiki syntax. But my hope and I think the hope of the people building it is that in the fullness of time it's going to be so efficient and so effective and so user friendly for lots of different kinds of tasks that most editors will use it for most purposes. It's not there now, but that's what we're hoping will happen. Nah. What's making you say nah here? I don't know how to do that. Okay. Tool box, ready? Template. Oh, look at all that. I want to know about it. I can't do it. I cannot add a section. I have no idea how to add a section. Okay, overall how'd you feel about it?  I don't know. I don't know how to call a title, author, work, date, access date, reference reference. It's formatting so the computer can read it, I guess. Whatever reads it, whatever. I don't know that much about it. Sure, sure. This is going to make people more confusing than now. I feel like somebody's scary to me. Well like there's like all this, I don't know, it just looks like hard to read. I don't like to look at it. You have no idea what this is. So that's why we're building the visual editor, right? We're building the visual editor because we purport to contain and we want to contain the sum total of all human knowledge. And if there are huge swas of the population who click edit and just back away, slowly frightened, we're not going to achieve our goals, right? So we need to make it easier for new people to edit Wikipedia. Mobile matters because mobile is the future, right? Most of us went on the internet for the first time 10 or maybe even 20 years ago and we did it from desktops and we did it from laptops. And that was sort of the frame for our experience. That was how we understood the internet. The mobile experience is a new and additional experience for us. But we know that all around the world, in India and many other countries, people are coming online for the first time using their mobile devices and they may never experience the internet in any way other than through a mobile device. And so mobile matters. It matters that people be able to read the projects on their mobile devices and it matters that they be able to edit the projects on their mobile devices. We used to have a saying around Wikimedia which I think probably people still say sometimes which was, you know, Wikipedia does not want to be written by people in rich countries for people in poor countries, right? We want everybody to continue to contribute. We want everybody to share the knowledge that they've got. Earlier this year a very surprising thing happened. We did not expect this. We did not plant the seed for this. We did not know this was going to happen. And when we heard at the Wikimedia Foundation about the story, we sent Victor out to document it for us to kind of find out what was going on and tell us the story. So I'm going to ask Chip backstage now to play us that short video. Hi, this is the letter which me and my classmates wrote to access to Wikipedia for free. It goes as follows. Open letter to Sulci, MTN, Fordacom and ATOM. We are learners in grade 12 at Sininjong High School. Joslovo Park, Wilnatin, Cape Town. We recently heard that in some other African countries like Kenya and Uganda, cell phone providers are offering their customers free access to Wikipedia. We think this is a wonderful idea and would really like to encourage you also to make the same offer here in South Africa. Our school does not have a library. 90% of us have cell phones, but it is expensive for us to buy ATOM. So if we could get free access to Wikipedia, it would make a huge difference to us. Normally, when we do research, Wikipedia is one of the best sites. And there is information on just about every topic. Think of the boost that it will give us as students and to the whole education system of South Africa. Our education system needs help. And having access to Wikipedia would make a very positive difference. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. If you're interested in registering for Next Year's Hackathon or you have an idea, go to Next Year's Wikimanias site and there's a link up here. You should be able to figure it out. It's not Wikimedia or Wikimanias 2013. It's Wikimanias2014.wikimedia.org slash wiki slash hackathon. Right up there, you can sign up as a participant or you can click on the brainstorming link and add your ideas. There's also now a brainstorming page for the main conference. So if you have an idea for Next Year's Wikimanias, we highly encourage you to go to this URL. It's just wiki slash brainstorming and add your idea there. So again, the hackathon page for Next Year's Up. If you've got some ideas, please submit them. This room is going to be open over the rest of Wikimanias. If you'd like to come back here and lounge, please clean up your belongings. We'll be closing the room at 5.30.  We appreciate you being here. Thank you.


Hi friends, welcome back to my channel and a very special welcome if you're new here. My name is Jen. I'm a certified weight loss and nutrition coach. I'm on Weight Watchers and I count calories and macros. Happy Saturday. It is Saturday. It's massive grocery haul time. We needed quite a few things. I haven't been to Sam's Club in a month and a half. I haven't been to Costco in a month. So I have a huge $550 massive haul for you. Lots of new food finds that I'm really excited about. So if you're excited to give this video a big thumbs up. Subscribe if you're not because I do a grocery haul every Saturday in five videos per week. Check out the description box down below for nutrition coaching where I offer personalized to you macros and calories. Highly recommend. This is how I've lost 90 pounds in 2022 and 140 pounds total. And I offer one-on-one coaching for accountability as well. Links, discounts to my favorite things and come join our Facebook group. We would love to have you. So let's head on into the kitchen for this massive grocery haul. We're gonna start off this week's haul with a massive haul from Sam's Club. It's been about a month and a half since I've been to Sam's Club. And like I mentioned, we only go to Costco every two months now because Diesel's medication lasts for two months. So I needed quite a bit from Sam's Club. And I have some super, super, super exciting new food finds. So let's jump in. Food find number one that I cannot wait to try out will definitely test this out and what I eat in a day. These are the premier protein pancakes. You can see I bought two boxes because I have heard rave, rave, rave reviews about this. It is three pancakes per serving and there's 15 grams of protein, which is amazing. You can microwave them. They come packaged in individual servings. So it's going to be a great protein-packed breakfast. I love making my own protein pancakes, but I mean $10 for 24 pancakes. Ready to go is an incredible deal. So I'm super excited to try these out. And here's another new food find that I was excited about too. So Clio has had mini bars for quite a while, but these are new flavors, cherry and raspberry. There's four grams of protein per bar and only 60 calories. These are such a great sweet treat or a little snack after lunch or after dinner. And they're so low in calories and points and they're delicious. And I love that they're made with Greek yogurt. So you do get a little bit of protein. So I was really excited to see those. We've never bought this before. Troy loves popcorn. You guys know we've been on this mega popcorn cake. So he loves caramel corn. So I grabbed this because it was about $5. And I know that I've had this brand before, this popcornopolis. They come in those little, these little things, you know, like at the fair. So I thought that he would like having that as a snack. And then I already dug into these and these are incredible by the way. These are the lemon yogurt thinly dipped almonds. So these are like skinny dipped almonds. Same calories points as those. These are absolutely delicious. They do have a much thinner coating. So normally chocolate dipped almonds have a pretty thick coating. These are a little bit thinner, but they are absolutely delicious. I saw that they were limited time. I wanna say it was about $10 for the bag. Highly recommend if you can grab these at Sam's Club because delicious. I did pick up a huge bag of skinny pop. Again, Troy and his popcorn kick. You guys know I love my lesser evil. I ordered two bags from Imperfect Foods, but I don't want him to eat them like he did last time. So I picked him up the huge bag of skinny pop. I did grab some treats for my dogs. These are the beef jerky recipe beef brisket treats made in the USA, only four ingredients. I thought they would be a nice, healthy treat. Loves olives and these were less than $8 for two huge queen olive jars, which is a fantastic deal. I also love green olives. I love them as a snack. I love them, put them on a salad. So I picked up the two pack. I always grab plain non-fat Greek yogurt when I'm at Costco or Sam's. It's such a great deal.  In fact, I've been kind of missing my yogurt bowls. So I'm gonna bring those back into my life, so I will definitely go through this. And then I grabbed a huge thing of minced garlic. Again, a product we use all the time in cooking and I go through the small container so quickly. This was $5, so an incredible deal. Also, one of my other favorite things at Sam's Club is the fried pickle dip. I haven't had this in a while because I haven't been to Sam's Club in a while. I love this with vegetables. I love this on wraps, on sandwiches. It is so incredibly delicious. I have raved about this before. It's one of my very favorites. I grabbed some Kleenex because we were almost out. I didn't pick them up at Costco last time, so I think we're down to about two boxes. And then, you know I love my truefru. I did grab the white chocolate strawberries last time. Amazing, absolutely delicious. So this time I decided to get the dark chocolate raspberries as well because a couple of you told me that they are delicious. And these are just really great, great, sweet treat options with excellent, excellent ingredients. Some more of my favorite butter, which is Keri Gold. This is the butter I have been using. I still buy light butter for Troy and for baking. But for the most part, I have just switched over to regular butter, just less of it. The Chobani Zero Sugar Yogurts. These were on sale for $9 for 12 cups. That is such a great deal. This is actually one of my favorite yogurts and you get strawberry, vanilla, mixed berry and blueberry. Pied pods because again, almost completely out from my last Costco run. Brie loves the lighthouse dressings. This was $4.98 for this huge bottle of ranch. I also like to use this when I'm having vegetables to dip it in. But he loves ranch dressing and I thought that was probably the best deal I was going to find for lighthouse. I also picked up some more dishwasher detergent. We don't use pods. We usually use the Cascade Gel. I find that it gets my dishes a lot cleaner. And again, almost out from my last trip to Costco. I was going to get Reo's Marinara but Sam's Club only has the tiny jars so they're a little bit pricey. So I just grabbed the Clisico brand. We don't use this very often. A lot of times I will make a big batch of spaghetti for Troy to have for the week. So he'll go through the Clisico sauce probably quicker than I will but I thought three jars for $10 was a great deal. Troy's favorite cheese is Colby Jack. We were almost out of sliced cheese and again, such a great deal at Sam's Club. It's a couple of fruits for the week. I grabbed some blackberries and finally I found strawberries that weren't outrageously expensive. So I picked those up as well. And in fact, these look really, really good. I wanna say this was about $7 which at this point, at this time, at this juncture is a really good deal. We got paper towels and toilet paper again almost out from that last Costco run.  I actually really like these. These are great on the go snacks. I love to pair one of these with a string cheese or a yogurt for a protein packed snack. You get 16 bars of the dark chocolate sea salt and 16 of the caramel almond sea salt. I do have quite a few trips coming up pending Lola's doing well and these will be great to take with me traveling. I grabbed my favorite lunch meat which is the members mark uncured black forest ham. This was also on sale for 750 which if you know the price of lunch meat, that's a steal. So I picked that up. I grabbed a case of the Premier protein caramel. They didn't have a lot of options but I always pick up a case of protein shakes whenever I go to Costco or Sam's Club. Oh, meppers all for Troy. This is the Hartburn medicine.  We love making breakfast sandwiches with these. And then also just having this on hand for a great source of protein. I did also grab a case of Diet Coke and a case of Gatorade Zero which Troy is already putting away out in the garage. So now let's go ahead and jump in to the rest of this week's haul. And here's what I picked up for the week from Kroger or my fry store. So this is a Kroger, Fred Meyer fries. They all fall under that same umbrella. So I got some salmon and this was such a fantastic deal. This is wild caught sockeye salmon. It was reduced to $4.80 each. I am doing salmon in my meal prep this week. So I was really excited to see this great price. In fact, I got some really great deals on meat today. If you go early enough in the morning you can generally get their markdown meat. And I just throw it in the freezer. It's generally a really, really fantastic deal like this salmon. I also found a pound of 99% ground turkey for $3.47. And then this big huge pack of 93% ground turkey. This is three pounds for $4.40. I mean, how amazing of a deal is that? And I like to mix my 93 and my 99 together. The 99 can be kind of dry but if you mix in some 93 it really helps make it a little bit better in my opinion. So I was excited to see that deal and then they did have their Laura's ground beef markdown to $4.79. Last time it was a dollar cheaper I think but I still picked it up. This is usually about $8. And then they had their Simple Truth organic ground beef for $3.48. That is an amazing, amazing deal. And this is 93.7. So I grabbed three pounds of that. The Laura's is also 93.7. So I scored on meat deals today. I didn't even know that Kroger had their own brand of sugar-free chocolate chips. I'm out of lilies and lilies were like $11 which is crazy. I usually buy them on nettrition where I buy my fiber gourmet pasta. So I'll just buy them with my next pasta order. So I grabbed these. I thought that I would try them. They're definitely worth a try and they were $2.99. Troy asked for a refill of his light butter. This is what he prefers to use. Like I mentioned in the Sam's Club portion I just use regular butter unless I'm baking but this is his favorite butter. I also grabbed these. These are my favorite things ever. They were so expensive. I think 750 which is insane for pretzels but these are the snack factory pretzel crisp bites. I like the little baby ones. I know they're not really any different than the big ones. I just prefer the baby so I picked that up. Two boxes of cereal for Troy. This is the toasted berry crisp from Kashi. That's his favorite. Unfortunately Kroger stores don't carry the big box. The big box is a much better deal at Walmart but since they don't have it I picked them up two of the small boxes. I need some dried cherries for my meal prep and then I did see that they had sugar-free butterscotch pudding. I was actually looking for a sugar-free vanilla for protein pudding but that seems to be hard to find. I couldn't find any so I did grab a box of sugar-free butterscotch. I really like protein pudding with the caramel protein shake and the butterscotch pudding. It's so good. A few jarred and canned goods. I needed some roasted red bell peppers for a recipe and then we fell in love with these little whole sweet petite pickles during Super Bowl so I restocked those. I actually was looking for the no sugar added ones and they didn't have them so I'm wondering if they're no longer available or if they were just out but I did pick up those because like I said we both really, really like those and then I had to get these. They were on sale for $3.99 and these are my favorite almonds. I love, love, love the wasabi and soy sauce and then I needed cashews for a recipe. Troy loves cashews so he'll eat the leftovers of those. He also asked for some things. He wanted some canned ravioli so I picked up two and then he wanted some soup as well so I grabbed a New England clam chowder. These were on sale for $3.45 which is a really good deal. Pick a noodle and then he loves tomato so I picked up three cans of soup and a couple cans of ravioli. I need cannellini beans for a recipe this next week so I grabbed three cans of the organic and they were four for five so I picked up a can of chili beans as well. Two gallons of 1% milk for Troy. He's been going through a little bit more milk since he's been eating so much cereal. I wanted some crackers and these just sounded really good. These are the Back to Nature plant-based snacks, crispy wheat. These are basically a wheat thin, just a little bit better ingredient so I picked those up for myself. I need bacon for a recipe and I love fully cooked bacon.  I don't care if it's on the stove, the oven, the air fryer, I hate it, it's messy so for me, pre-cooked bacon is a huge win. I was thinking about it and I should have bought the big pack at Sam's Club but next time I go to Costco I will pick up the big pack of pre-cooked bacon. I needed oat flour for a recipe. I know I can make my own but I can't be bothered so I decided to go ahead and just buy my oat flour. Egg whites, I never buy egg whites. I just usually use the white of the egg but eggs are so expensive. Even our farm fresh ones from our community that I thought next time I need egg whites I'll just use liquids. It's a much better deal so I picked those up. Now I love Lesser Evil and they have their little Valentine's Day packs. These were actually on sale for $2.50 for eight bags. I should have picked up more than one pack but I haven't even tried this one. It's white chocolate strawberry. Okay, that sounds amazing. These are only 70 calories per little bag. They have a nice cream ingredient. So I will try these and if I like them I may swing back by and buy a few more packs because $2.50 for eight bags is a fantastic deal. Troy wanted English muffins so I picked up sourdough for him and then they have this limited edition buttermilk but what I was most excited about and I'm gonna try these today is I found Cinnamon Plus Protein. Each one of these English muffins has eight grams of protein. That is amazing. That's more than a slice of bread and there are 140 calories. The same is traditional English muffins and I love that these are cinnamon. I'm gonna toast one up and maybe add a little bit of butter. Hopefully I like these and if I do I'll definitely be repurchasing. And then I did grab some produce. I have an imperfect foods box coming tomorrow. So I got some yellow squash for a recipe, some parsley, sugar snap peas, a couple of red onions, celery and then I needed lociendo, lociendo. I don't know how you pronounce it, kale. So I got the organic kale. Kale's on the dirty dozen and it's really, really high pesticide so I always, always buy kale organic and it was about the same price as the regular. So the other thing I picked up is a case of water which is in the garage. So let's jump into what's for dinner and what you'll see in Monday's meal prep. So here's what is on my menu for the week. As always, we're going out for dinner today, Saturday. Tomorrow I'm going to make tacos. I have some taco shells I need to use up. On Sunday or on Monday, I'm making the Tuscan white bean kale soup.  I am so excited for this recipe. Tuesday's leftovers, Wednesday I'm doing turkey meatballs with red pepper sauce. I have some frozen turkey meatballs I need to use as well. And then Thursday and Friday will be leftovers because we will probably have a lot of soup and the meatball dish leftover. And then here's what you're going to see in meal prep. Also super excited for this. For breakfast, I'm making cinnamon roll pancakes. For lunch, I'm doing a crispy salmon meal prep. And then for snack, I'm making cherry pie energy balls. I loved having the turtle ones this last week and this cherry pie one sounds amazing. So again, stay tuned for all three recipes on Monday. I hope you enjoyed this massive haul. Lots of new food finds, lots of great recipes coming your way this next week. So make sure you're subscribed and your bells on so you don't miss meal prep, what I eat in a day for that super recipe. I'm super excited for that. And if you enjoyed the grocery haul, give it a thumbs up. Again, subscribe if you're not. I would love to have you here. Check out that description box for nutrition coaching, links and discounts to my favorite things and come join our Facebook group. We'd love to have you. Happy Saturday and I'll see you in tomorrow's video. Bye.


Welcome to the metal voice Again a recurring guest you won the only and we'll all use that the one the only Frank Hannon from Tesla I want an only guitarist or well, I wouldn't say one only guitars, but a great guitarist Hey, well, thank you very much for having me on your show You know, yeah, we're definitely a twin guitar band Dave rude is our other guitarist and But I am one of the og original founding member guys Getting old man. We've got we're celebrating 40 years together me and the bass player Brian wheat and We're on a roll right now man. Tesla is on tour. We got some new songs that we're out with It's going great. I should have a preface it with Tesla has returned with a new single time to rock And I believe you co-wrote this song there's a tour coming up and It seems to be the theme that bands today, you know every time they go on a tour They're about to start a tour they release a song. Is that the strategy now versus releasing an album? What's the take? What's Tesla's take on that? Well, our take on it is that you know, we've made a lot of albums like I said, we're pushing a lot of years We've done a lot all of that And now at the phase that we're at this chapter of our career It's much more rewarding to Get together and focus just on one song without the pressure of trying to fabricate Ten songs to create an album now if you rewind back to our first album and the first, you know six albums that we made You know, that was a different time Yeah, I mean we spent years writing that first album in the clubs and had a lot of time these days, man, you know, it's just more Productive for us just to kind of focus on one song without any pressure and we're really enjoying that So is it just kind of like inspiration hits like last year? There's things going on in the world. Boom We get a cold blue steel now finally the world's opening out up and we're getting out there again Hey, it's time to rock and is it as simple as that? I'm inspired I write a song and let's put it out there and not wait for a record You're really you're you're describing it to a T. You're hitting the nail on the head there, man That's exactly how it is We're living more in the moment, you know of what's going on The process of making a full-length album would cause us like we've done before to lock ourselves in a room and Try to force them out. Whereas right now with the way we're doing it It's more in the moment and we get to enjoy the songs as they're relevant in the moment when we write them Going on with what's going on in the world or what we're being inspired by so yeah, you you really described that perfectly He's good at that. He's really good at that Frank. He's good at defining things. He's aware The where yeah, yeah Frank the stadium tour I mean one act that I thought would be there that wasn't it was Tesla I just I go how could Tesla not be part of part of the stadium tour that's going around right now We're was there any sort of conversations for that was was Tesla invited or maybe you guys were just busy Wanted to do your own thing Well, as you know the stadium tour got off to a rocky start just like everything did with the COVID You know when COVID hit that stadium tour was booked years ago 20s able to get going Well, it's been going all summer now, but you know, I don't know what happened there You know, yes, the answer is yes originally, you know, we've been friends with Def Leppard forever We've we've done shows with Motley crew and poison and and Tesla would have definitely been a great choice and and I think rounded off that package nicely we're we were You know, obviously would want to play in that arena or stadium so to speak But for some reason it didn't work out. I really don't know those are reasons that are beyond my control You know, I'm more of the music guy. I'm not really the business guy So there was some other business politics may be taking place that I have no idea about Would you do that though Frank so Frank? I mean so I saw the tour last week and and Joan jet goes on at like four o'clock in the afternoon for 45 minutes How do you feel about you know, I know you're out headlining now so you can play a new song You can play deeper cuts. You can play the hits. You're out there I'm assuming an hour and a half an hour 45 two hours Would you want to kind of do 45 minutes at four o'clock in the afternoon or I? Tell you man.  Yeah, you know And again, we're really happy for Joan jet. We're huge fans of Joan jet We toured with Joan jet and sticks a couple years ago together and man. She is an awesome iconic I Love rock-and-roll punk You know founder of metal with the runaways and the female movement. So we're real happy for Joan jet and You know, she deserves that spot. If not as much as Tesla so there's that and Yes, what you said is we you know, we're at a point now with our career where we're writing our new songs we want to have the ability to play a full show and we're realizing that We are pretty much Independent and the only people we can count on is the five of us in our band, you know Brian wheat Jeff Keith myself Dave rude You know and Steve Brown is playing drums with us now for us You know Troy's on a hiatus It's but You know the original members Brian wheat and myself and Jeff Keith we realize that we're independent we're producing our music ourselves now we're running our own ship and We're happy to be out headlining and and having that time slot to play our catalog of music How about Troy? Have you heard anything from him? Has he given any you know any sort of Idea when he's gonna be returning back to the band or he's just taking his time Yeah, we're just allowing the time for things to work themselves out you know He's got things that he's dealing with and You know during is not an easy life, man It's a very difficult thing being out there on a bus with everybody crammed in that tight situation And when you got stuff going on at home those things need to be taken care of so You know, but hey, man He's a long-standing member of the band and we're you know, we'll work it out time will work things out You know, he's a brother and Like I said time will work things out The founding members of the band are together and Steve Brown is playing drums for us at the moment and really doing a great job And we're just happy to be able to keep on working Yeah, good Steve is Wildmix brother. Is he not like? Yeah, Steve is not only Wildmix little brother But he is also a member of our local community here in Sacramento We've known him since he was a little guy. He used to come watch us play when he was a teenager and He has done other shows for us In the past filling in for Troy, so he's a member of our family as well Let me ask you this. I guess you had a good time in Montreal. I know that you tell us about your experience with Frank Marino Wow Frank Marino here That's Frank Frank's a friend of the show Frank's a friend of the show So and we know that when you were in Montreal not everyone gets access to Frank, but you got to spend some time with Frank Yes, and that was a dream come true, man Frank has always been like one of my biggest guitar heroes from the 70s and as a kid growing up and I met his nephew Mike and what a nice guy what a great family He found out that I was a huge fan of Frank Marino and Frank invited me over for pizza and coca-cola And I got to spend two wonderful evenings hanging out with Frank in his studio and listening to him talk and tell stories and we just laughed and had a great time and You know, it's really awesome when you meet one of your musical heroes and they turned out to be such a Great guy with a lot of heart and especially a guy who's been through so many ups and downs like Frank has It was very rewarding and very refreshing to meet one of my heroes and have them be so down to earth and cool Like he he is not only down to earth, but also otherworldly in his Musicianship and his creativity of the electronics and the things that he does and has done His guitar playing and his shows. I mean that DVD he did recently his most recent release the four-hour show That he worked on so meticulously It's just mind-blowing So to meet a guy who's got that much talent But also be so cool and inviting into his home was very Rewarding and refreshing experience for me Jimmy K here metal voice look at this The metal voice shirts are now on sale. Just go to a video description to find out on how you can purchase one So so speaking of any other kind of heroes of yours as you're out on tour that you're hoping to drop in on and have pizza with Like as so you scratched Frank off the bucket list.  Yeah, if I could have pizza with them, that'd be pretty cool Most recently I met a more current band called fuel and Those guys were really cool and as it turns out they were high school fans of Tesla and my guitar playing and Carl and Mark Kevin those guys in fuel man. They've been through a lot of ups and downs as well in the music business I mean, they've been around for about 20 years now so they were really cool and They're a great band great songs On my bucket list though I made an album a few years ago a Frank Hannon solo album called six string soldiers that I wrote with Mike Arisa and Jeff Sandoval some very talented musicians out of Albuquerque, New Mexico and On that album. I have some very special guest guitarist including my One of my biggest influences is Rick Derringer Rick Derringer Rockwell Huchiku Still alive and well Edgar winner. He produced Frankenstein the most legendary instrumental of all time So that was amazing and I didn't have pizza with Rick, but I did order some Vietnamese soup for him And also spent the evening at my house and I grilled up some vegetables for any of Vegetarians so we made a vegetarian stir-fry and Rick Derringer played on a song on my six string soldiers album Another guitar that came over and played on the album was Pat Travers You know now these are guys from the 70s that really influenced me Frank Marino mahogany rush Rick Derringer Pat Travers and then my one of my biggest Musical influences as a songwriter and a guitarist is my father-in-law Mr. Dickey Betts from now I was gonna be one of my question. See I'm a huge southern rock fan.  We've been married for over 20 years She's a sweetheart and she understands me because I'm a guitar player her daddy's guitar player and a long time ago An old wise man told me If you're gonna date a girl make sure she loves her daddy And my wife loves her daddy. She has no daddy issues there. It's great And Dickey as a songwriter. I mean blue sky rambling man Jessica southbound Just some great classic stuff that actually influenced all the metal that you hear. I mean, I would bet you Finn Lizzie and Iron Maiden and all those guys are influenced by the almond brothers and Leonard Skinner I would bet a hundred bucks on that Yeah And as Dickey doing okay because please send them our best because we you know We know Dickey's getting up there and he's had his struggles here and there But everyone's always rooting for him. That's for sure He is a little fighter man. He's a tiger.  Have you met up with the family? Wow, okay, his brother was very hospitable and Dolores was an angel She has since passed away recipes You know, I have not had any time to be in LA Very much with COVID and with everything and now with Tesla being on the road so I have not had a chance to visit the school again, but they were very gracious to me and obviously Randy Rhodes is You know the founding father of neoclassical killer guitar playing I mean those first two Aussie albums really influenced me 1982. I was 16 years old in high school and Just unbelievable influence, you know, so That was a moment that I'll treasure and if you people want to see it They can find it on YouTube Frank Hannon visits Randy Rhodes his mother There's a documentary video that I made of that Yeah, what about on the last note, I guess Will you be are you working on an album? Is there ideas? Are they floating around? Are you jamming out ideas storing those ideas? Getting ready for an album or is it just we're just gonna or even a timeline or is there a timeline? Uh Myself personally, I have a lot of ideas and stuff for solo albums that are you know filled on my hard drives I did some music with Brian Tishi the amazing drummer that plays, you know with Dead daisies and white snake and he's a Frickin phenomena. You guys know Brian Tishi. Of course. Yeah, I know Billy idle Aussie Yeah, Brian foreigner. Yeah, Brian's played of everybody in everywhere. Yeah, Anzo bash Randy Rhodes tribute Brian Tishi is an amazing guitar player. He does the tribute to Randy Rhodes as well He and I recorded Three songs last year that have never been released I've got some instrumentals that are out of this world crazy Experimental stuff as a solo artist. I may put that stuff out, but I'm not in a hurry to do it I'm just archived it right now because I'm focusing all my energy on Tesla and Jeff Keith and I Being you know, the fundamental writers for the band We have another ballad that we're working on. It's called all about love and it's it's really like a segue From love song and that side of our band We did put out cold blue still time to rock when we got that ballad and We're just gonna keep cranking them out in the moment and then the album will come at the end of that Creative run and I can't give you a timeline, but we will put them all together on a collection Okay, that's fair enough. So what about the tour dates now? When does that start? Or it started already. You're already on tour. Well, I'm home right now for three days. This is my porch I'm enjoying my is I fly to Salt Lake City tomorrow and Do a couple more dates and then we do a whole Texas run all of September and Phil X amazing guitar player is in a band called dimer and they're gonna be opening the tour for us and Phil X is a Frickin, you know, you guys know Phil X. Of course, of course Canada He played in triumph. Yeah, he was in triumph. So, you know, I knew for Bon Jovi He was in Bon Jovi as well Yeah, he his band that he's playing with now is gonna be opening for Tesla all of September in in the state of Texas And then we're gonna be doing monsters of rock cruise. Oh, yes. Yes It's putting on a great 2023 festival on the sea and we're gonna be doing that We're also doing a huge festival in Key West, Florida in January along with some more Florida dates in January of 2023 so we're very busy and it's gonna be because you know why it's time to rock All right time to rock go get it now right you can download it I guess legally and buy it right I would think right on Amazon all the other you can even buy it Yes, and camp there's iTunes, you know, wherever you buy music if you want to help the band or you can stream it on You know Spotify or YouTube or anywhere else? Frank, it's been a pleasure. Yes. Go ahead brand new video. We just read video for Recorded in our hometown Brandon Goli and is the editor and the director of that.  It just came out All right, go support Tesla Tick tock time to rock you got the modern lyric in there tick tock is connecting with all the kids You know tick tock time in Iraq time of Iraq. Look at that. Yeah I'm doing any Any closing comments? Man metal rock Jamming all the music Everything man. I love it all. That's why they call me the heavy metal hippie because I love Judas Priest the grateful dead Their music echoes in my head tie-dye and leather. I'll wear them together You know why because I'm the heavy metal hippie On that note. Thank you very much very lively my friend very lively. We hope to see you soon out on the road Hey, thanks for having me on your show


Hello and welcome everyone to this episode of People's Health Dispatch. Today, we have two very eminent guests, Yogesh Jain and Sara Nabiya. I'm going to introduce both of them in some time. But we are going to discuss a very important, very timely publication, a book, COVID-19, A View from the Margins. It's a volume of essays documenting the experience of people from different walks of life at the frontline of COVID-19 response in India. This volume is the narration of the response as viewed by the by current formal civil servants, doctors working in rural urban areas, journalists from across various parts of the country and other parts of the world, various public health practitioners, some very seasoned, some new, economists, lawyers, and it is about the millions of battles being fought at the margin against COVID-19. Welcome, Yogesh. Welcome, Sara. Hi. Let me introduce both of our guests here. Yogesh is a pediatrician by training and a practicing public health physician. He's one of the founding members of Jan Swasa Sahiyam, where he has worked for 20 years. Based on his lived experience from rural Chattisgarh, state in India, he has advocated from provincial to international levels to highlight the causes and burden of the poorest in the world. He has served in multiple health commissions at the national and international level. Welcome again, Yogesh. We have with us also the co-editor of the book, Sara Navya. Sara studies public health and business at the Bloomberg School of Public Health, Johns Hopkins University. She has previously worked in advocating for HIV prevention for the marginalized populations, especially vulnerable women at the grassroots and national policy space. Welcome, Sara. So let me start with Yogesh. And then we can, of course, all of us can join the conversation. Yogesh, in the introduction of the book, you quoted Amit descent. You say, and I'm quoting it. What we can observe depends on our position, vis-a-vis our object of observation. It seems views from the margin is very central to this book. Why do you feel, why did you feel the need to seek COVID from the margin? You know, the fact that our observations are different, depending upon the position that we have in relation to the object that we are observing, is something which is very common sense. And at least in our Indian tradition, we knew about the provable elephant, where someone felt the different parts of an elephant from different places. But also when you stand a little at the margins, you're able to observe the more complete sort of object. If you were more central to the object of observation, you would only see a part of the whole, if the object was large. So in this case, and this has been also borne out by the fact that the people who ran the services for the, who responded to the pandemic as providers had a different view. There would be celebration about the technology, information technology that was done, or the public health measures, or the law and order measures that were sort of unleashed in a sense as well. But those people who decided often did not serve the consequences of those decisions as it has happened in a place where people are not represented in decision making for themselves. So I thought that this was to get the views of people who were at the margins of society around any axis that we can talk about whether it is in an unequal society, whether it is the gender or the geography or your social class or your pecking orders in terms of food availability and other axes of marginalization to get those views would be a critical thing to see actually what to get the views of the pandemic. In fact, recording of the documentation of the pandemic as it mattered to the people who were away from the position of power. And that would be the, that was the reason why we felt that this was needed to be documented. Absolutely. Sarah, your thoughts on this, anything you want to add here? So you see, at baseline, our society is unequal. Be it for India, where you are placed geographically is a big factor on what you have access to. And then there are other very important factors such as what religion you follow, what gender you identify as, what is your income level. All of these are important determinants of the level of health care and the level of social security that you enjoy. And I feel us as a society are accountable to each and every person in our society, irrespective of where they stand on all of these different indicators. So it is important to document and hold ourselves accountable as to how did we serve the interests of those who were disproportionately burdened. And that is why a view from the margins was so important. Like what do we usually see in peer reviewed literature? We see of the technological advances that have been made, the latest drug, what has been the scale of the testing. But how often do we talk about how access to these things that we are celebrating is actually reaching the people reaching the last mile. And somewhere this book is an attempt to address that gap speak of how we did in that last mile. So in order to prepare for future pandemics, it's important that we remember, record and celebrate not only our technological and scientific successes, but also be mindful of what are the efforts that we made to reach each and every person who all deserve the same level of care. And that is why this view from the margins was important to remind ourselves of how we did and how we can do better. Absolutely. And this pandemic time we have seen how inequities and the structural inequities in the society, how they have come out in open so glaringly. And when I am looking at the book, it's such a mammoth task bringing so many people together at this very crucial juncture. And it's really incredible work that you all have done. Sarah, let me start with you here. How did it all started and how was your experience in doing this? It was definitely a mammoth exercise and an amazing learning experience. But I think one of the main, for me as an editor, one of the X factors of this book is it brought together something around 70 odd authors. We have 35 chapters and a total of 70 odd authors. And I think being able to mobilize and get people to rally around the cause that credit solely goes to Yogesh sir's ability to kind of be the pipe-piper and get people to believe in what we were doing. Yogesh, your thoughts, your experience, how did you manage to bring all of this together? Well, this book took birth at the end of the first year of 2020. When we had already seen the whole of society response, at least through the print media and through other discussions that were happening. And if you remember that was a year that we used to all have so many webinars going on almost every day. And this was a time that we realized that what you heard from people or even this webinars was largely the mentioning of what the state was doing. Or what the other so-called people in power, whether it's technical power or socioeconomic power were doing. When we decided to get the views of the people or the impact of the people at the margins, we decided to look at for authors, those people who we feel, who we felt had a connection with the people. Often it's because the English, the language, the medium was considered to be English for the writing. We had to have people who would speak up for the people at the margins and not only the people who were at the margins. So thus we took people from who had connect at a physician level with their patients or with public health managers or administrators who were dealing with their own departments. Or the people, economists who are doing field level research or trying to collate views as well as a lot of health journalists were also contacted. Because we felt that they had an eye in the ear to the ground and therefore those were the things that we put together. We had brought up a list of 45 odd authors or a few of which finally did not so-called deliver their pieces, which happens in most books. But I think it was, I would say it was a matter of great happiness that almost everyone whom we had contacted agreed to very graciously and I would say the enthusiasm, participate in writing of this thing. And to accept changes that we suggested and we did propose to them specific questions that they should focus on in their chapter and I think most of them measured up rather well. It shows the commitment, it takes a lot of effort to bring in rigorous evidence at this very challenging time. Let us now get into a bit of content of the book. We have limited time, but one of the ideas that you have put forward here, you give us this term, syndemic approach to understand COVID-19. Yogi, would you like to elaborate on this because this becomes one of the very central theme of the book I feel. So we know that the pandemic or the epidemic across the different continents of COVID-19 was only one stream of thing that was happening. But it was its impact and its form was determined by the other socio-economic and political forces that govern any disease manifestation as mentioned in the first, as a quotation from Virko, who said, epidemics are manifestations of mass disturbance in our lives. And so the syndemic approach which Richard Horton of the Lancet has also said very strongly for that to be able to understand the impact of this pandemic, we cannot sort of just discuss the biomedicine of this pandemic or the responses to that. But we need to understand the underpinnings of the non-COVID illnesses that affect us but also the social and economic and political inequities and forces that determine how COVID pandemic would manifest itself and impact on people. So this approach, you reuse the word syndemic to explain this pandemic, if I may say. Absolutely. And in terms of method also, you have mentioned it very categorically that you wanted to bring in people's history or historical narrative into this. And at a time within our governments across the world, particularly also in India where there is a lot of effort from the state to change our history. Here is some of the historical facts when you bring in such a grounded method, it speaks a lot. I think this is a very important element of the book. I'm quoting here, often recorded history is the memory of states, perhaps meaning the memory of those people in power. States and nations are not people and communities. Accounts in the book are meant to create the people's history of the COVID-19 pandemic, seen from their point of view. How did you think about it? Why did you find it's important to bring in people's history here? So I would say here again, and Sarah might add later, who's a student of history. But for me, history is basically a struggle of memory against forgetfulness, so that we can use that in our future. And we felt that the memories of this pandemic that may be useful for people who study the problem later, would require the version of what happened in the pandemic of the people, rather than of the people who were the providers or the people in power. And thus, like Howard Zinn did it for the people's history of the indigenous people's history of the United States was different. And the history books are written by people who are in power, that goes down the lines. So we thought that it was our onerous task and I would say something that we did with pleasure, that we get the history as the people of the pandemic, as people saw it on their own or as people wanted to record it for posterity from their point of view, rather than what the governments and the so-called technical establishment would be explaining the, so about vaccines or about testing or about treatment or about the laws that were unleashed on us, the changes in the welfare programs that we had all had to be seen from the point of view of the people, rather than from the people who made those changes. Sarah, over to you. Yeah, so I think I pretty much concur with what was just said, but I'd also like to add that for me, I see the value of history increasing as time passes, right? The more ancient it becomes, the more valuable it becomes, because when you're in this very unusual, high-paced situation that COVID-19 has been, how much are we really dissecting, synthesizing and learning from? I'm not sure a lot. I'm not sure how very well we are introspecting right now, but the reason why it was important to have this historical record is, we would be doing a disservice to ourselves if we don't learn from this. And this is an attempt to create that record so that we would think that the books really served its purpose. If somebody 10 years later picks it up and says, you know, this is what we did right and this is what we did wrong. And, you know, we have to learn so and so from it and take this forward. So we want this book to serve as that account that will help people introspect and push us to kind of think and also accept things which may at times be uncomfortable, but what has really played out from this entire pandemic experience. So, and you'll see the last section of our book, which is more like field notes from COVID-19. That's why we've made a very intentional attempt to include people's stories. You know, the first two sections, the first two or three sections are more technical that way. You know, though we've taken, you know, people's perspective as to how they experienced testing, what was their experience with treatment. But the last section typically caters to stories because stories can be very powerful when you're trying to take a historical record. So that is why probably recording of people's history was so important. And we hope that its value will increase. You know, the further we move away from this. I'm sure thanks for bringing also bringing in the structure of the book, but I'm very sure that as public health students, we have to practitioners, we have to refer to your very well documented historical narrative from people's perspective of COVID. Any thoughts? How are you planning to like launch the book and have the release? What are your discrimination ideas? Sarah and Yogesh, anyone, please. Let me go on first. I would say the book is already there in circulation and we did not go for any formal release in a sense. We might have some sessions where we can probably read some sections from the chapters together with some of our co-authors, as time passes in different sites of the different places in the country as well as internationally. This book is going to be useful for people outside India also since, you know, I don't think other countries are rolling in equity and justice. So, you know, those would be useful there also. I'm sure that our authors are also looking forward to discuss and, you know, publicize the book among their ecosystems. Thanks. Sarah, any last thoughts? Anything you want to add here? No, just that I think pretty much everything on the, you know, how to get the book is covered. But to everybody who listens to this, I think when reading the book, you know, I would encourage readers to keep in mind that it is a first of its kind attempt not only to document a people's history, but it's sort of an off the people for the people by the people book on COVID in India. And that is an incredibly special thing about this book, you know, it's about the COVID experience in India written by Indians, you know, for Indians. So it's, you know, it's an attempt.  So when reading the book, you'll see that we've tried to kind of retain a lot of that ethos. A lot of times intentionally, we did not want an overly sanitized version of it, because ultimately I feel that is what kind of makes it so special to me as an editor. So yeah, just just that's kind of just one thing about the book.  I think with that note, let us close today's conversation. Thank you so much for your guest Sarah for speaking to us and giving your time. It was such a fascinating conversation. Thank you. Please read the book and also please subscribe to People's Health Dispatch newsletter. We are producing every fortnight and we are all almost completing one full year. So thank you again to all of you.