All right. Why don't we go ahead and get started. I know people are still joining us, but we've already got a lot of folks with us and there's plenty to get on to today. So welcome everybody. I'm Cliff Lynch. I'm the director of the Coalition for Networked Information, and I'd like to welcome you to the opening day of the virtual event that's part of our December 2021 member meeting. It's really great you're here. I'm delighted to see so many member reps, guests. One of the wonderful things about the virtual environment is that we have been able to be a bit more flexible about having additional folks from our member institutions join us. And so I welcome those folks as well, who are able to be with us. I'd like to extend a special welcome to our international guests. I suspect this may be one of the easiest international trips you've ever made. I think making international trips in person for the foreseeable future is going to be challenging. I'd also like to extend a special welcome to a number of groups who are with us, the clear fellows and you'll be hearing from some of those later. The leading fellows, they are going to be presenting at the in person part of the meeting, which will take place next week, but we may have a few of them with us today. They are all CDP fellows. And I know we have at least a few members of the upcoming cadre of a RL leadership fellows and I would that that cadre officially starts as I understand it in January of 22. I was very pleased and happy to see that a number of active members of the CNI community were among those selected for that leadership cadre. So I congratulate those folks. So I note that we are running this session as a web meeting, not a webinar format as we have in our past virtual meetings. That means, among other things that you can see who else is here with us by looking at the participants. You can chat either directly with individual people or you can, you can share things with the group and I'd invite you to do that as appropriate I hope that will make things feel just a little bit more interactive. We also will be taking questions at the end of each session, assuming there's enough time. And we are on a tight schedule more on that in a little while. Please put questions in the chat as we go along, and we'll try and answer them either as the sessions running at the end offline whatever we are able to do. Please do stay muted unless you're speaking. That is one downside to doing things as a, as a web meeting. I also note that we have a slack channel and a set of sub channel set up for the meeting. This is primarily for people who want to communicate with presenters for the on demand pre recorded sessions. I do want to note that a few days ago we did release a very, very large wealth of pre recorded sessions some 40 odd of them, which are available and will continue to be available during the meeting and after the meeting publicly. We hope that you're finding time or will find time to have a look at those and that you're finding them useful and do feel free to use the slack channel where appropriate to try and communicate with the presenters. We also installed the presenters as well to of course put their email and other contact information in those pre record so just dropping them a line and setting up a time to talk with them is another possibility. Before we go any further, I'd just like to take a moment to introduce two relatively new members of the CNI team that many of you may not have met. There's a huge Pope, who is taken Diane's old role as communications coordinator, and Kennedy mangas who has been a tremendous help with a whole range of communication and social media issues. I am deeply appreciative of all of the work that both of them have done to get this series of in person and virtual events for this December happening. So, I wanted you all to be able to put faces with names I know many of you have been in touch with them through email. This has been a very intense fall for a number of campuses. This has been the first time that students have been back in full numbers since the pandemic started. In the broader world, we see events coming back. There are scholarly meetings happening now. I understand that the American Geophysical Union is meeting next week, as are we. They're a little bigger than we are I understand they're expecting over 10,000 people in New Orleans. You were in person at the Charleston meeting recently. I saw a few folks from our community at edge cause in October when they met in person in Philadelphia. Other kinds of activities are also coming back sports seem to be in full swing. We're seeing millions of people at both the college and the professional level. We're seeing performing arts concerts plays things of that nature, starting to come back carefully. One of the things that I continue to be struck by as I speak to our member institutions around the country and beyond is how very variable the paths that different institutions and different regions of the United States have taken in transiting the pandemic today. Some places were really shut down for a year. And as I say just have are just winding up their first semester with all the students back. Others basically never closed or didn't close for very long or didn't close down all that hard. And when we look at institutions internationally. Of course the picture is even more widely variable. So I would just remind everybody that there really is a lot of varied experience out there and one of the. One of the things that we all need to guard against is assuming that our our experience coming through this or our institutions experience is typical of all the other institutions experience. Having given that context let me talk a little bit about the December CNI meeting and how we've structured it. I'm hoping that at least for CNI this will be the beginning of our effort to map out how we've incorporated what we've learned during our period of forced virtual operation during the pandemic. And with our hopefully growing ability to come back in person and come together in person, and to, to try and understand how to combine those two. I hope that our experience will be useful to other in other organizations that are already grappling with this. I have a lot of unanswered questions here. I am confident we won't get this exactly right and that we're going to have to adjust and learn from what worked and what didn't work. Just as we have been consistently evolving our online events throughout the pandemic so please bear with us please help us, and please be mindful that even if you make a suggestion and we do something very different. I think that we are trying to listen to everybody but that there is an enormous lack of consensus about what the right things to do are going forward. I would just say that reading evaluations from our online events over the last year just makes your head spin because the views are incredibly different from respondent to respondent. The next rule we've tried to follow is to do what works well virtually in the virtual environment and to do what works best in person in the face to face environment. That seems straightforward enough but making the choices is trickier than it looks. I understand increasingly ever more that your time and in particular your attention is really precious and scarce, and that seems to be particularly true online. Not just zoom fatigue, there's some other things going on here, a sense of information overload that's become exacerbated by the move to virtual environments and virtual meetings. I'm still trying to fully understand the dynamic of what's going on here and I've had a lot of confirmation talking with people informally about this. And I'd love to talk further offline with people about exactly how these phenomenon are unraveling. In response to that sense of very scarce precious attention. We've scheduled a very limited series of online synchronous sessions basically two afternoons plus one hour. And we're running them on a tight time schedule. That may mean that we're not going to have much chance to do interactive Q&A and we'll have to handle them in the chat or you'll have to talk to presenters offline and I'm sorry about that. But that was the price of the trade off for the synchronous sessions we've tried to pick broadly important and high impact things, and also things that in an ideal world we might have liked to do in person, but that we couldn't do in person or that are impractical to do in person. For example, you will see international sessions in the synchronous virtual meeting that at least under the present circumstances would not have been feasible to do in person. I mentioned earlier we have a wealth of prerecorded sessions and I don't want to take anything away from their significance or importance or interest by noting that those were prerecorded rather than done in the synchronous sessions. We simply made judgments about what would be of interest to the largest number of people, particularly people who would actually be attending the CNI synchronous meetings. In many cases I suspect the highest impact for some of those prerecords is going to be on people who might not come to the CNI meeting or might not attend the synchronous components for one reason or another, and I would particularly encourage you to share with your colleagues at your institution and beyond those prerecorded sessions when you think they would be of interest. By contrast, while attention is really precious in the virtual environment, the in person meeting is sort of a speculative pre commitment of time, and a commitment to an experience. And what we're doing there is we are stressing interaction networking conversation and again broadly important high impact developments topics and issues and the sort of things where we hope that networking and in person can carry on beyond the individual sessions. The in person meeting, if you go or if you look at the schedule is much more leisurely than in the past. It's smaller. And we have a maximum of three and in many cases only two parallel sessions taking place in the non plenary slots. And using most of the project briefings to pre recordings has really given us room to change the character of the meeting and, and a certain sense to recapture, we hope what CNI meetings were like a number of years ago, when CNI was a somewhat smaller organization. So also that the in person meeting is now going to be comprehensively professionally captured on video, we will have a video crew in each of the rooms. So unless there's a session where the presenter specifically asks not to be recorded, we will make available a full, a full recorded record of those in person meetings. I want to mention the executive roundtables for a minute. These are going to stay virtual. They are something that turned out to work much better in the virtual environment, because we can bring in people that would be impractical to bring in in person. And that's really important for our ability to address a range of topics on the through the executive roundtables. We can also hold them more often than the lockstep schedule of the in person meetings as issues and time permits and requires. And to note, finally, as we talk about hybrid meetings in person meetings virtual meetings that we're going to close out the virtual conference with a presentation on Thursday, and a conversation about how scholarly societies are thinking about the future of meetings virtual and in person so that should be a very interesting bookend to my comments here and our experience here. Our executive roundtables that are being held in conjunction with this meeting are on priorities for major capital investments in digital infrastructure. Yesterday we'll hold the second convening on Friday. And I think you're going to find the report on this very interesting. This is this whole question of infrastructure and infrastructure investments is kind of a theme of this meeting I'll say some more about this in my opening in person plenary, but you can see that theme reflected in many of the synchronous sessions and also in the sessions in the in person meeting. So, as I say I'll have a little more to say about this in my opening plenary for the in person meeting, but do be mindful of that theme. Speaking of that. That takes me to the introduction to the next session and I'm going to start in a little early with some background and some framing remarks and I'm sorry for people who tuned in just for the, for the along came Google session. But you can pick up the recording for anything you missed because I'm starting a few minutes early. So, this is one of the great infrastructure investment stories of our time. Perhaps. And then I can think of off the top of my head on a similar scale is the development of internet to and read the research and education networks at Jerome and all the things that came along with that. But that's a very different kind of infrastructure investment than the story of the digitization of so much of our book cultural heritage. So we'll be joined momentarily by Roger Schoenfeld and Deanna Markham, hopefully, of Ithaca SNR. Deanna alerted me a day or so ago that that she might be a little late although I see a message that she has arrived while I've been speaking so that's wonderful. Both Deanna and Roger will be well known to you for their work at Ithaca SNR. Deanna though has had a fabled career, including a important stint as the associate librarian of Congress. That's where she played a really important role in so much of what the Library of Congress did trying to find its place in the digital world, and also at clear. So, I'm delighted to have them with us they've written this wonderful book which I was fortunate enough to be able to read in draft. And it's really, it's really just an extraordinary story of the, the whole move to digitize libraries. A number of people I've talked with about the book have described a strange experience reading it in that they're sort of reading a story of their own lives and of experiences that they went through personally. And it's surprising the number of people who shared that reaction with me, it may be that some of us are just getting to be of a certain age, but it's striking to me. And Deanna recently had a conversation with Brewster Cale of the Internet Archive and the video that's available at the Internet Archive site. We are going to carefully not duplicate topics that were covered there, but you really can get that sense from Brewster as well of, you know, you're, you're reading a book about things that you lived through and to some extent participated in. And I can't resist noting that in spring 2005, the opening plenary for the CNI spring meeting was the first public appearance of all of the five initial Google library participants. And we went up at the opening plenary session and talked about what they were doing. And at some level, that was the first time I think that the broader community really started to understand what was going on, beyond the non disclosure agreements that Roger and Deanna talked about that were part of the initial rollout strategy and part of kind of the way Google was approaching this broadly. Ironically, at the request of the participants that 2005 plenary sadly was not recorded. So I wish we could make that recording available but we can't. So CNI also lived through this experience. The book, which we're not going to summarize or reiterate I'm just going to tell you get it and read it. It's a it's a great book and I'm not going to do the boring thing of asking Roger and Deanna, can you please summarize the book in five minutes we have better things to do with our time. It tells the story of the prehistory of large scale digitization it looks at some of the dreamers, some of their dreams and goals, and then tells the story of Google's move and what that triggered in terms of fellow travelers competitors, the to open up parts of the collection that weren't clearly public domain, some very complex legal maneuvering about what to do with the corpus once it was digitized, the ultimate failure of a very interesting and controversial class action settlement, and through the creation of Hottie trust, which has been so critical during the pandemic, particularly to the humanities and social sciences as part of institutional instructional and research resilience. Fascinating the way this investment that was made for one purpose has turned out to be so critical for another purpose and it puts me in mind and this is the last thing I'm going to say before I start framing questions for Deanna and Roger. It puts me in mind of the kind of underestimated importance of the Google book scanning project and its outcomes as a preservation strategy. I remember Mary Sue Coleman, when she went in front of the American Association of publishers, which was not happy about this project. She was the president at the time of the University of Michigan, one of the ring leaders and most ardent participants of the Google book scanning project, and she basically said words to the effect of this project. Once she understood that this would provide a backup in case of catastrophe for the collections of the University of Michigan. She was morally obligated to move ahead with this project. And we can kind of see how that's played out in the pandemic and that role as a step towards preservation and resilience has proved to be incredibly important. So let me ask a few questions that really came to mind as I reread the book over the last couple of days. One thing that's always struck me is the way this captured the public imagination in a way that I've not seen anything else quite do. People don't think like this about YouTube, despite the fact that YouTube has carried gathered up a amazing amount of film and video cultural heritage. People don't think about the idea of the so-called celestial jukebox that Napster used to represent and that, in fact, the various music streaming services have come. At the same time, you know, we've collected up all these books here through the digitization project, and yet they are anything but a synthesis of knowledge. They are certainly not the final encyclopedia that you make passing mention of in the prehistory of the Google Books project, which in fact alludes to Gordon Dickinson's science fiction effort to create a orbiting compendium of knowledge around the earth. I wonder if you could reflect a little bit on your thoughts on why and whether and how this just so passionately captured the public imagination. We need to unmute you too. Okay. For one thing, I mean, it captured the imagination of librarians because Google was a surprise. They didn't make many announcements beforehand. They just went to the five institutions, worked out deals, and they started and then other people learned about it. But in terms of the public, I think the reason that they were so interested is that they could imagine a digital library that they could go to and use. And it was something that was very appealing to the to the broad public. I think that's exactly right. And I think that, you know, in a way the the celestial jukebox is a reflection of our cultural heritage, but the contents of the libraries of course also include our intellectual heritage as well and I can't help but wonder if, if, if that, that both within our community but also beyond it really captured, you know, attention in a different in a different kind of way and, and of course as Deannis says, you know, this was the stuff that libraries were in a way that for better or for worse. You know, libraries have not had at the time did not have as big of a of an investment in some of these other kinds of media formats to see the potential for being disrupted through Napster or YouTube or whatever and quite the same quite the same way so Yeah, I think I think that was a big difference as well. Let me let me take on another aspect of that. So, Google went for books. It went for libraries and, as those of us who've worked with digital content know that books are in some sense the hardest case for moving digital. Particularly if you want to do sustained reading as opposed to just, you know, check out a couple of pages. You can't print books locally with most technology that's around in the same way you can print, say journal articles, they need a lot of bandwidth they need a lot of navigation tools. My experience when I was back at the University of California saw us move into journals pretty early in the latter part of the 80s we started making online journals available. And certainly, you know, when you look at the history of J store. I believe that that's significantly predated the work on on the Google books project. Roger of course, you know is the chronicler of J store. So, I'm very interested in his views here. Why did, why did Google just go for books and and and not try and scoop up journals as well. It seems that particularly for some kinds of knowledge, the journals are going to be higher impact than the books. Thoughts on that. Great question. I, and I don't know that I know the answer to what Google's thinking was on this. I mean to your, to your point Clifford large scale digitization of journal back files it started roughly a decade before before the book was released with the books project. And so, you know there's a, there is a case to be made that the journals problem by no means was solved I mean we can certainly talk about open access and restrictions on access and, and discovery issues and all sorts of things, but in terms of the actual digitization of some of the most significant elements of the journal literature in really across the different fields. You know most of the major scientific publishers had already digitized their journal back files by by 2004 2005 I think a detailed look which shows so I yeah so I think I think I think the books were just in a different, in a different place it was seen as more of a title by title challenge as opposed to from the library perspective anyway as opposed to these, you know publisher engagements with the journals where they were, where they were scanning an entire back file for for an entire company and, and selling them back to libraries of course it's a very different kind of kind of model. In that sense one might argue that it was really Google's willingness to take on the risk of thinking about a library's holdings very much like a, like a back file of the journal. Where journal publishers understood the rights situation on the back file that was very clean but the libraries had been thinking book by book for digitization and Google was willing to think about it as a back file, and maybe that was part of the a back file, absolutely. And also, you know, at scale, and thinking about risk management in a totally different way than anyone in our sector I think probably ever has. That's an exaggeration but I mean the expense. Interesting. Really interesting. So, one of one of the pieces of the one of the central actors in the story you tell is our, our friend, Paul current, who you know really I think played kind of a pivotal role in getting the University of Michigan to commit to pretty basically doing comprehensive collection scanning and partnering. And there's, there's a sense in which the perfect is the enemy of a good of the good and Paul was the great advocate of the good and the possible in the story. And it feels like there's, there's a consistent thread of delays and roadblocks to the participation of other institutions, because of lingering distrust of commercial partners of Google's motives. And perhaps the potential disintermediation of libraries and librarians. I wonder if, and I think you're, you're the way you tell the story frames that very well and I wonder if you could expand or reflect a little bit more on that. Well, one of the reasons I admire Paul current as much as I do is that he was willing to take the risk. And I think it might have been hard for Google to find many library directors who were willing to do it. But he was notable in his willingness to take a risk and to tell the library community what he's doing. But, you know, that he just stuck with the facts throughout the process process. I just have enormous respect and writing the book helped me put him in context more. That was very helpful for me and I see how much we owe him, because other libraries then got interested in digitization projects. I think it's because of the leadership Paul showed. One of the things that has been a special treat for me in the process of writing the book has been some conversations that Deanna and I've had about leadership in, you know, in, in the library community and beyond. I think one of the things that really characterizes Paul's leadership was a deep pragmatism within the goals or vision that, you know, he had, he had come to come to hold and, you know, he definitely he and the team at Michigan and others definitely encountered all sorts of individuals who, you know, weren't, weren't sure that they wanted to take a pragmatic approach along the way they had different kinds of principles and it was, it was, it was a must have been a lonely experience at some points as, as well and I think it's a very interesting study in not just Paul's leadership individually but but a group of people that that collectively, you know, move, move this forward. And I think one of the reasons Paul was able to do it is he had been the provost at the University of Michigan, and he had more, maybe credibility or felt that he had a longer leash to play with. He did very well and I think he inspired other librarians to, to take a more responsible approach to their collections and start digitizing them and making them available. I mean, you really rereading the book, particularly for the second time for me really put Paul and his contributions in a in a very, you know, clear light. I really appreciated that. Speaking gears a bit. One of the things that has always been striking is the cultural disconnect between Google, which is basically the culture of computer science and libraries and the culture of librarianship. One of the things that Google just sort of doesn't get very well is metadata cataloging the, and also certain niceties and additions and things like that don't seem a high on the list. The, the, you know, Google's approach to things has always been full text processing and retrieval and we've seen this, you know, again and again and again. Nowhere is that disconnect that that cultural inconsistency stronger than in the books digitization project, I think. I know, Hadi has spent a lot of time trying to deal with the legacy of that but I wonder if you have thoughts on the extent to which that not only caused trouble but ultimately proved to be something of a barrier in getting library buy into the Google work. Certainly, it was, it was a big barrier and, you know, if you remember, at the time Google started the project, they were writing that they wanted to do books because they could then add them to the database they were already developing and they would give much more content. And so I don't, I don't think they ever saw this as a library project. But as a way to get content for their database and librarians were offended. I think, because of the, the kind of sloppiness of the first iteration of the project. The microfilm or not microfilming that digitization was not terribly good at the beginning. The quality wasn't that good. And they mostly ignored the bibliographic process that goes along in libraries with digitizing materials. So, I don't know, I think that Google had specific goals and set out to meet them and did, and libraries benefited a lot, but it took some time. Do you want to add anything on that, Roger?  I mean, one can almost imagine had things worked at just a little bit differently, seeing all of these library collections sort of subsumed into the mass of stuff that one, one get one searches one one types in the Google search box. Yeah, and losing the identity of a library versus stuff, you know, collected up off of the web. Providence structure all of all of that. Yeah. There's so many things we could talk about. Let me let me use our last bits of time here maybe to invite you to do some speculating. So, I look at where we've ended up with sound recordings and particularly popular music today, where we've ended up with video material, both of these have gone to a sort of a streaming model where very few people own anything. So there are these huge but at the same time, balkanized masses of content out there. The landscape for books is really different. And it's different for a lot of reasons. I wonder if you would reflect a little bit on how what what the end game looks like for books in comparison to those other kinds of media, and further if you might speculate a little bit and this is really speculative now. So suppose the settlement had been accepted. Would that have changed the end state. Well, maybe I'll, maybe I'll give a few thoughts and Diana may want to get into the counterfactual of what what what the world might look might have looked like otherwise. I think that I think that this, Diana and I are both approach a lot of our thinking in this project, in part through the lens of preservation, right not just discovery and access but but also questions about preservation and I think that, you know, in asking us to talk a little bit about the connection between where we are with books and some of these other more streaming driven content types I think I'll say for myself, it gives me great comfort to know that how to trust exists that the Internet archive exists that we have, you know, community friendly, not for profit services that have ultimately have control of the books and the digitized books and I think that that the opportunities that I'll say I certainly didn't foresee the need for a pandemic emergency access program through what we trust until all of a sudden we had a pandemic wasn't something I was planning for. But, but when that became possible, it became possible only because we weren't streaming that material from a third party but because, because there was a community controlled organization that that had had that content. So we're seeing some really interesting next stage developments in in books and what it means to have community control of books and I think some of the initiatives around control digital lending that have developed really accelerated over the last year or so earlier I think we're developing earlier certainly suggest a really different kind of model for a content type that remains a dual format content type when a library can can simply buy a print copy, and then scan it and lend it digitally if assuming that control digital lending passes the court tests that it faces. And I think that just suggests a really, really different set of possibilities than, you know, licensing a streaming service or whatever whatever content we maybe we might think about instead so I'll just I think that that's some of the ways in which the end game for books looks much more promising. I think even if it's a more complicated landscape then then we're seeing for some other content types. I think you're right Roger, and the thing that I keep reminding myself of is libraries been collecting materials for, for many decades, and they have amassed collections that matter because of their longevity and because of their preservation issues. And it, I think once people start thinking about what the libraries have put together. It's, it's very impressive. So I, maybe the, the comprehensiveness of collections has mattered more over time than anything else about the collections. That's a really fascinating answer to that. And, you know, I couldn't help thinking when you said Roger that it gives you comfort to think about where the books thing is landing. Pessimists that I am I of course flip that around and was thinking yes and it gives me great angst to think about where the recorded sound and video world is and how little of that is in any kind of hands for reliable preservation. That's absolutely right. And I think. And I think that the counterfactual to explore there is what would have happened if, if libraries had seen themselves as collectors of physical media in some of those content types in this to the same extent that it was mission centric to think about, think about books and there's a there's a lot, a lot of different scenarios we could we could tease out there. Well, in our last couple of minutes, while we're doing scenarios. What let's let's look at the future as more and more born digital books come out. And, you know, perhaps less books come out in both print and digital form. What happens to the great digitized collections going forward does does book scanning and digitization and the work of hottie in particular, kind of wind down. I mean, it's not, it's not that it stops it's not that the collection goes away, but it starts growing slower and slower, and most of the growth in digitization moves on to the endless supply of undigitized special collections that our institutions hold. How do you how do you see that that, you know, future playing out over the next 10 or 15 years. Well, I guess I'll say I do think that that attention is turning to distinctive collections I don't think there's any, any question about that and I think there's an enormous amount of opportunity there exactly as you, as you say. I'm less clear on how much longer we're going to be in a dual format environment for for books. Certainly, our publisher wanted to publish our book about book digitization in intangible form. You know, the economics of bookmaking and bookselling the reader readership preferences remain, you know, to a very large extent grounded on the print format. Certainly for long form reading and I don't think we're seeing as much evidence as folks might have anticipated a decade ago that that's going to change. It's going to change as quickly as folks had anticipated. So, so I, I'm not, I'm not really prepared to say that, you know, I think what I think what what's unclear to me is whether print books will become like the vinyl of our streaming environment, or if, or if print is is actually the optimal format for for long form reading and I think I think the jury's still out on that, at least as I see it. And I would add that, you know, for a lot of people, the book represents a connection to the knowledge that's in it, and holding the book, reading the book and print matters to a lot of people still. And I think that will continue for quite a while. I think so too. That's so that's really fascinating. I think I think we might have time for one comment or question from the audience if there is one just, I think the simplest thing to do is pop it in the chat. If people formulate that for a moment, I will say, thank you very much, not just for talking with us today, but for writing this book is really, really important to get this history out and to get it out. Well, you know, you could still, you could still interview the firsthand sources. I think this is, you know, a book that people are going to come back to for many years, and it really documents a very pivotal moment in, in our world. So, I'm so grateful to you for for writing it as well as for coming to talk about it and for everybody out there. Here's the book. I encourage you all to read it. It's a it's a very brisk and enjoyable read. Thank you, Cliff, and thanks for the good question you asked. And, and, and if I could just say thank you to you and really to the whole CNI community that's been a part of this story and that's served as some of the most intellectually fertile ground. I think for both of us in shaping our shaping our thinking on a lot of these topics. All right, there, there is a question in but I think I think we're probably a little tight for time, perhaps, one of you might want to say a word or two about it. Actually, there are a couple coming in that you might want to comment on in chat. I think I think probably we need to to wind down, we're going to take a short break here. And then we are going to come back at 210 Eastern. So in about nine or 10 minutes. And we're going to start the first of our synchronous project briefings. Great to have you both here. Thank you so very much. Thanks for having us. Thank you. We appreciate it. Yeah. All right. See you all in about 10 minutes.


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What's up? How are you guys today? Some of you might remember we already did a video on tattoos Where you know the general consensus was that they're not that great for you But I did some more research because I was actually thinking of getting one myself And my conclusion was that it's a horrible horrible idea You're probably gonna destroy your liver and the reason I was thinking of getting a tattoo is because I had Got a comastia surgery and the scars didn't look that great and I had a tattoo idea I always wanted from a while ago, but after seeing this It's it's not gonna happen. It's not gonna happen And this video is gonna be a little bit boring because we're just talking about the research studies But if you want a concrete reason that you should not get a tattoo This is going to be that video and also be sure to check the video We previously made for a more just general overview of tattoos So for our first study, we have tattoo inks are toxological risks to human health a systematic review of their ingredients Fate inside skin Toxicity due to polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons primary aromatic amines metals and overview of regulatory frameworks Tattoos with the help of tiny needles place tattoo ink inside the skin surface and unintentionally introduce a large number of unknown ingredients these ingredients include polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons PAHs heavy metals and primary aromatic amines PAAs Which are either unintentionally introduced along with the ink or produced inside the skin by different types of processes For example cleavage Stabilism and photodecomposition these could pose toxological risks to human health if present beyond permissible limits PAH such as benzo pyrine is present in carbon black ink PAAs could be formed inside the skin as a result of reductive cleavage of organic azo dyes They are reported to be highly carcinogenic by environmental protection agencies heavy metals namely cadmium lead mercury and timonium beryllium and arsenic are responsible for cancer neurogenative diseases cardiovascular gastrointestinal lungs kidney liver endocrine and bone diseases Mercury cobalt sulfate other soluble cobalt salts and carbon black are in group 2b Which means they may cause cancer in humans? Cadmium and compounds of cadmium on the other hand are in group 1 carcinogenic to humans, so This is really really bad and that study does an excellent job of explaining How much you're actually poisoning your entire body when you're getting a tattoo and this is why yeah You get a small tattoo here or there Maybe it's not the end of the world But as soon as you start doing these really big pieces and sleeves and full body stuff It's horrible horrible horrible for every single cell in your body and you're introducing these Toxins and heavy metals that you will never remove in your entire lifetime That's that's the most likely thing that's going to happen You're just gonna deal with the oxidative damage for the rest of your entire life And some people are healthy and robust enough that they can do that And it's just stored in the tissue and then maybe they just age a little quicker and don't look as young and you know When they get older and older, maybe it knocks a few years off their life But some people and I'm sure someone knows about like a tattoo form or like a side effects form where they talk about this It's very very Possible there's a lot of people that are being kind of swept under the rug with their symptoms after they get a tattoo So for our second study, we have Comparative toxological evaluation of tattoo inks on two model organisms our results in complex indicate that PR 170 of which is a type of tattoo dye initiated strong oxidative stress in both tested organisms as Manifested by the high increase in reactive oxygen species that were probably Not neutralized by the antioxidant enzymes. This implies that the antioxidant defense system was inefficient in protecting the organisms against the oxidative stress triggered by PR 170 leading to oxidative damage and That seems pretty obvious that the sheer amount of toxins in the tattoo ink Introduced in this really unnatural way directly into the skin The body can't deal with it. Maybe a tiny tiny bit, but overall We are not set up to defend against this level of toxins and then for our third and final study We have tattoo pigments are observed in the coop for cells of the liver indicating blood-borne distribution of tattoo ink Tattoo pigments are deposited in the skin and known to distribute to regional lymph nodes tattoo pigments are small particles And may be hypothesized to reach the bloodstream and become distributed to peripheral organs This has not been studied in the past the aim of the study was to trace tattoo pigments in internal organs in mice extensively tattooed with two different tattoo ink products TEM, which is a type of microscopic analysis identified intracellular tattoo pigments in the skin and in lymph nodes TEM in both groups of tattooed mice showed tattoo pigment deposits in the coop for cells in the liver Which is a new observation TEM detected no pigment in other internal organs Light microscopy showed dense pigments in the skin and in lymph nodes, but not in internal organs So what they found was that after tattooing these rats The ink did go as we know in the skin in the lymph nodes, but it was also sent directly to the liver Now maybe long-term The body will start distributing the ink to other organs as well But from this we can say okay, you know How much oxidative stress are you causing to your liver and in someone with compromised liver function? Is this going to be like a trigger like a catalyst that's going to cause them so many health issues that they can't recover from So, you know, what are our solutions here? Obviously don't get a tattoo Okay, if you really really want a tattoo, maybe a small one the natural inks Probably don't have as many carcinogens and aren't nearly as bad However, you know those tend to fade and the typical results from those natural ink tattoos people don't really like them At least That's my understanding of it. You want to optimize your overall health So if you're super healthy and robust, I mean, you're probably not watching my youtube channel to be honest But if you're really really healthy, you can probably deal with the oxidative stress from some tattoos Avoid with poor organ function So if you're in a situation like me where you have, you know, I have liver damage from the carnivore diet and all that type of stuff If you have some sort of pre-existing health condition related to your liver Avoid at all costs. I can't imagine this being like It's an it must be a nightmare if you have liver damage and then you start getting tattoos and Follow a detox diet So if you do have tattoos and you did get one you really want to tighten up your diet Make sure it's minimally inflammatory and that your body can deal with the oxidative damage from the tattoo As opposed to adding, you know, other lifestyle factors on top of that Which is difficult because most people don't really do that so if you guys Do want to support me you can go to frank-safa.com you can see all of my creative and Interesting products on all my various businesses As always guys, please drop a like on the video leave a comment down below Subscribe so that YouTube can unsubscribe you next week and be sure to check that notification bell So they don't notify you of my video Thanks again for joining guys. Let me know how you like this and I'll see you for the next video


You know, I'll never forget that day because meeting Darius actually changed my life. So I was three years old, I was getting ready to turn four and I seen her outside of a convenience store. My mother was inside. I used to collect business cards as a little kid and I flagged her down. So I pull over thinking he needed something and he talks a lot. I asked her for a business card. My four-year-old birthday party was in a few weeks. And he asked me if I would like to go to his birthday party. I said, well, maybe you might want to introduce me to your mom first. Make sure it's okay with her. That's how it all began. From that day forward, we started connecting. I'd stay at our house, go on field trips. We would go to the zoo, we would go to the circus. We ultimately went to Disney World and we had a blast. Just always was a part of my life. Years went by and his mom passed away. I was about eight years old and then I was adopted by Virginia. We'd just been together ever since. From the day I met Darius, there was just that click. And I enjoyed every minute I spent with him and I was unfortunate. I wasn't lucky enough to have children of my own. So taking him on these excursions and sharing things with him and watching his face light up brought me the happiness that most mothers feel when they see their children experience things for the first time. He is my son. I am his mom. Mike is his pops.  Ever since I was a young pup. Three years old till now, you know, I'm 30 years old, so she means the world to me. You never know whose life you're going to touch in a negative way or a positive way. And I'm proud to wear this uniform and I'm proud to hopefully have made a positive difference in someone's life being my son's. It's definitely my son.


I'm going to just pick, I'm just going to pick someone at random, now I don't want to penalise the people here at the front because I want to encourage people to come to the front, so what I tend to do when I do these things is go right to the back, the people who aren't expecting me to just walk all the way up here and ask them any kind of questions, so I'm going to get about three quarts of the way up here as I do on kind of ants and dex Saturday night take away if you watch that, and I'm just going to randomly go Leslie, what social networks do you use? Twitter, Facebook, Pinterest, Diego Good interesting use of Pinterest there, anyone else want to just chime in as I'm coming down here, maybe Ross? Facebook and Twitter Good choice, anyone else apart from Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, put your hand up, any very kind of exotic ones, we've got an REF guy up there, what do you use? A pub Very good, excellent So bearing all that in mind, Mary mentioned the graveyard shift, this is probably the graveyard shift because I'm between you and beer I want to take you through some thinking, so I've been on board with Moodle since about October I guess, it was just after Martin asked me to lead this project And so I want to kind of walk you through some of my thinking, and my hope is that this sounds like the most obvious thing in the world ever to you And really simplistic, that's what I'm hoping because then I've kind of done my job, if it seems complicated and a bit confusing, I haven't done my job I'm happy to answer your questions at the end and we might even have to take them to the world's best social network, i.e. the pub Okay, so the way that Martin describes or the brief that Martin gave me I guess was this A new open social media platform for educators focused on professional development and open content Now that's quite a wide brief as many ways in which you can interpret that And so some of the things that Martin was talking about yesterday, some of the things that Mary's been talking about All of these things are things that we want to be in Project MoodleNet But we can't build everything straight away, we can't just kind of build Facebook in a week, you know that kind of thing Not that you'd want to obviously with today's revelations in this weeks So Martin shared this diagram here from my good friend Brian Mothers Stick your hand up if you've ever seen Brian's drawings before, a few of you, thank you Now Brian's a good friend of mine, he's doing some consultancy with Moodle at the moment And you can see some of the landscape of things, and as Martin said, not everything's in here But it gives you a flavour of the kinds of things that we might want to eventually have in Project MoodleNet So on the left hand side, if you imagine at the moment, if I link to you, where do I link to? If you've got your own website, I might link to your website If you've got a LinkedIn profile, it might be that, it might be your Twitter bio But it's problematic as educators, where do we link to? We tend to link to things which we're appropriating for education Rather than things which are education specific So some kind of profile which hangs everything together, that's what we're thinking about But it's on the right hand side some really cool stuff Things like crowdfunding, things like supporting each other using local currency Things like tuning your dashboard and your feed and using openly licensed resources So this was kind of the starting point and just kind of to take you through some of the thinking Now you might wonder why I haven't been talking to all you guys Why have I been talking to people kind of outside of the current Moodle community And I guess one of the reasons for that is because as Henry Ford said If I asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses I need to make sure that this project ties in with all of your needs But if I start right in the middle, then we don't go wide enough And kind of blue sky thinking enough to get to where we need to be So I want to start way over here and bring it into the middle to meet your needs I don't want to start in the middle, I want to start over there So bearing that in mind, I've been talking to some of you while I've been here And I've added in some slides based on some of the conversations I've had yesterday and today and things like that And one of the things I was talking to Andy, so where's Andy? Andy Field over there, I used to be a history teacher and Andy used to be a history teacher And I know from when I used to use Andy's fling the teacher activities in my classroom And we were talking about some of this and I was trying to explain the kind of social network that I think we need to build here And I was saying, well, we don't really want to build a social network which is for YouTubers and Instagram stars That's not the kind of social network we're trying to build here We're trying to build the opposite end of the spectrum where the reason you want to use it is because of curated, interesting and useful stuff So an example of that might be someone like Stephen Downs' OL Daily, which I get every single day from Stephen Downs Stephen Downs is a great guy and he's going to give us some advice on this project as well But I don't follow Stephen Downs because he's a celebrity or I want to know the intimate details of his life I follow Stephen Downs because he curates on a regular and ongoing basis really good stuff which is useful for me And I'm sure all of you follow people like that And the reason you follow them is because they're cool and doing interesting stuff But also because they're immediately useful to your life and your role I can't believe that this blog post was over a decade ago But a guy called Hugh McLeod who's best known for drawing on the back of business cards as gaping void He said that social networks are based around social objects You have to have a thing that you're talking about So you can imagine on Twitter it's often Donald Trump Facebook it's often what you were doing last weekend Or whatever it is, you have to have something that you're talking about So I want you to bear that in mind when I go into some of the next stuff here Have any of you come across the social network thingyverse? Any of you come across that one? Okay, what type of social network is thingyverse? I don't know what type it is but it's used for sharing models of objects for 3D printing and stuff like that That's right, so before Christmas I was in the Netherlands And I saw some really cool stuff in libraries on 3D printing And I've been thinking about getting one for ages and I finally got one It's not expensive one but I needed to find somewhere where I could download stuff to print off with my kids So I searched and I found this social network thingyverse And there's all kinds of these networks There's ones around crocheting and knitting and all this kind of thing And they're not based around massive celebrities They're based around people sharing useful stuff So this person here you can see at the top left with his wonderful pose and his beard He has shared lots of stuff including this stackable battery holder Which he has 3D printed in two different colours And you can see that actually I don't know how well it's showing up on contrast at the back of the room But you can see that 15,345 people have liked this Just like you can do on Twitter and Facebook and stuff Some people have collected so they put it into a collection Some people have commented on it Some people have said that they made it and maybe taken a photograph of what they made and how it was different Some people have remixed it so they forked it You know if you use GitHub that kind of forking feature And some people have tipped him They've not only kind of said this is great and liked it But they've kind of donated money to him as well So if you look at his profile You might follow him because he's a really useful person to follow And you want to know when he designs new stuff But you're not following him because like he's a YouTuber and Instagram star You're following him because he's curating and making and doing really useful stuff And it seems to me that that's the kind of social network that we want We want to follow each other But not just because one person's an influencer We want to do it because they're curating useful stuff Now often I used to work for Jisk I used to work for Mozilla And often I see people providing technical solutions to what are essentially social issues Or pedagogical issues So I used to work on OER at Jisk I used to work on mobile and digital literacy And I'd see people saying well the reason why educators aren't using OER Is because we haven't got a good enough meta-search engine And I'm thinking I'm pretty sure I've seen about 15 projects That provide a meta-search engine for OER Now the problem isn't that there's a technological solution The problem just like when I was working on Open Badgers at Mozilla Is that it needs to be technological enough But it also has to have that pedagogical and social component So it needs to be a balance, the kind of sweet spot between these two things These two circles So when you do any kind of product management The advice that you get is that you should start with a cupcake If all of the things that Mardin and Mary and other things that people have said about Project MoodleNet Are like a massive wedding cake A massive three-tiered wedding cake With all the stuff that we want We definitely want to get there eventually But we can't get there by just providing users with some icing Or with just the board that we're going to build the whole cake off We have to provide something which is useful right from the start Otherwise no one's going to use it And so the metaphor I want to use is the humble cupcake The humble cupcake comes with three parts It comes with the cake, the icing and the decoration on top I love cupcakes, they're fantastic So what type of cupcake are we going to build here Because the brief that we've got for Project MoodleNet Is wide enough that we can start in multiple places So imagine that we start with social networking Is anyone here part of the OERU network? Has anyone heard of the OERU network? Okay a couple of hands there OERU network, especially in higher education Is trying to encourage people to use open educational resources in higher education And they last week launched an instance of Mastadon Which is a distributed decentralized social network Which I use, I use Twitter less now and I use social.co up a lot more And until about last month as Martin and Mary and Baz and other people will attest I was convinced that this was the right way to go We were going to build on Mastadon on open standards and all this kind of stuff We were going to build Project MoodleNet on Mastadon And we were going to build start on social networking But I quickly realized that if you throw people into just another social network On top of Facebook and Twitter and LinkedIn and everything like that People come in, have a look around, see that there's not much stuff there And then kind of leave until more people are going to be there But of course you never get that traction because everyone's doing that So perhaps that's not the best place to start We could start on the right with professional development We could build a whole kind of area marketplace Where people can share courses And they can rate them And then people can kind of, we can build up from there But actually I think the best place to start And I'm willing to be wrong here because I was wrong last month Is with resource curation And I want to explain why Resource curation sits in between the technological and the pedagogical solution It's a technical solution But it's based on us having social relationships with one another Just like Thingiverse So imagine this kind of workflow The graphics are intentionally terrible because I did them Imagine that you search I used to be a history teacher, let's say you're searching for something to do with the Russian Revolution So I type in Russian Revolution into the project MoodleNet search There we go, I've just typed that in And I've got a million resources because it's searching across OER repositories It's searching YouTube, it's searching paid resources It's searching everything that we think might be useful to educators Once you get there you can do what's called a faceted search You'll be used to this from things like Amazon So on Amazon, let's say I'm searching for a pair of new genes as I was recently So I search genes and I click Prime Delivery 34 inch waist and blue And it comes up with fewer options And I find the one that I want and I buy it Similar kind of thing here I search Russian Revolution, I kind of narrow it down by Oh, I want a PowerPoint, I want it to be about Lenin And I want it to be about the October Revolution And I find the resource I want And the key thing, this is what we're thinking at the moment Is that you click that button, add to collection Which is such a simple thing It's a bit like Pinterest, like this lady up here was talking about You add it to a collection Because this is the kind of sweet spot between doing this meta-search Of all these millions and millions and millions of resources And randomly finding resources because you follow some people on Twitter Serendipidion Twitter is great, but I wouldn't want to base my teaching and learning kind of career on it And searching OER repositories is great But again, I can't always spend the time that I want to find the right resource So curating stuff is a really valuable thing to do within networks The thing to say about this is eventually This add to collection button might be a little kind of JavaScript bookmarklet Or it could be a browser button So that you don't have to go to Project MoodleNet to find the resources Or to add the resources You can just go around the web a bit like Digo or something like that And you can add them from wherever you are So it's not like you have to go somewhere to start your workflow You can just have your workflow wherever you start as it happens to be So how is this going to work? That's useful to me as an educator I can imagine when I was a teacher I can imagine doing something like that And creating little resource collections That would be fantastic But how is that social network? Well there's a difference between a people centric And a resource centric social network Like we were showing with Thingiverse And so the resource centric social network starts with something like this So you've got somebody, let's say this is me And I've collected three collections of resources there And you probably can't see but there's some little hashtags in there Made those a little bit too small maybe But there's little follow buttons on there There's a follow the person And someone comes along, let's say it's Mary Because Mary's wearing orange And I'm kind of wearing black Mary comes along and she looks at my resource collection one Mary's learning Russian So maybe she's interested in the Russian Revolution And she comes along and says this is great I really like these resources And so she's clicked on me to follow me And she's clicked on the resource collection To follow the resource collection And she starts asking some questions And she says this is a great dialogue Not about like hey what's the weather like Like oh isn't you know Justin Bieber cool We're saying stuff about the resource We're having a professional conversation About this particular resource collection So this could be anything It could be oh you seem to have tagged this With stuff to do with UK or English education I don't understand what level this is You know what kind of ages are you teaching here And we're having a conversation And it might lead to me then re-tagging this Or adding new tags on To aid discoverability So you can imagine now That when I don't know Martin comes along And searches for the Russian Revolution Now it's surfacing stuff Which are within collections Before you get to all the results So all of a sudden it's immediately useful to teachers Because they can find resource collections Which have been pre-curated By people who have been teaching this for Maybe a long time The other thing to say Is that the profile can be What we call an MVP An MVP dashboard So let's say that when you're logged in Now this is Mary now She's logged in to her profile She can use this as a very simple dashboard So here are her collections Resource collection A, resource collection B She's only just signed up So she's got a resource collection one She's following mine And you can see that she's following Some of the people there And the idea would be that she would use Her profile when she's logged in And to keep tabs On what's being added, removed, updated Within the resource collections This is a really super simple thing But right now I'm very convinced That this is a really nice place to start Because it's immediately useful to teachers So the question that everybody's Asked me today and this week And this month has been Well when can I start doing this If it was a cupcake When can I taste this thing And the answer is I'm using it for a technical lead Pretty soon And we need to make sure that we have The right people on board We're gathering people's feedback So we can build stuff and get the kind of Use that we want And then build things out from there I don't want to build this giant Wedding cake that isn't actually Immediately useful to people So we're starting with the cupcake Now then I'm not sure if this next image Actually works So we're actually starting With the resource curation And then we're going to put that inside a Russian doll But the Russian dolls aren't Russian dolls They're actually cupcakes I'm not sure if that completely worked And I said well the profile could be the person eating the cake I'm not sure that metaphor works But you can imagine what it is It's basically starting with the resource curation Getting that right as a use case And then building out the social networking features And the professional development from there So that's the thinking at the moment If you're interested in this project The canonical URL Is Moodle.com forward slash Moodle.net Which takes you to the wiki There's going to be a community call Which is linked to From that particular link And on the Moodle blog Next Wednesday And I've purposely had this after this Moodle moot So that you might want to come along As some questions bring some people along The idea is to have these community calls Every month As we kind of get people's ideas So that's the idea My email address is dugatmoodle.com As you'd expect So it is now 10 to 5 This session is supposed to finish at 5 o'clock I've got some time for questions I've also got a bit of a fog on my throat Excuse me So if you've got any questions Any observations Any comments about project Moodle.net As it currently stands in the conceptualisation phase Please let me have them I've been working with the university years ago Before that I had no clue at all About the existence of Moodle So on top of developing I could say the useful stuff I think how could you make it also The awareness of this outside of this network So the question was How can you make this Grow the awareness of this outside the network Now Martin and I have had conversations About the name that we give to this So the first thing I did Was to put the word project in front of Moodle.net Which Martin and I have had lots of discussions about But we need to kind of test this out Whether Moodle.net is going to be the right word for it There's huge benefits in calling it Moodle.net Because it's something which is first and foremost For Moodle users But also for the whole world, the public But some of the people I've spoken to Are saying well actually If you call it anything to do with Moodle Will other people use it as well So it's a really good question How can you funnel people in So that they join our community Rather than just use it over here And continue doing whatever they're doing It's an open question If anyone's got any answers to that That would be great I think we need to build it And respond to users both within the current Moodle community But also outside as well Before So this is just off the cuff But I think if it's called Moodle.net And it's great Then people may want to use it No matter what they're using anyway And that is great for the Moodle branding So why not make it Moodle.net Make it great Make people want to use it No matter what systems they're using And make it So it's got the name of the system in it But actually it's much more than that Thank you I think I like to postpone decisions Until I absolutely have to make them But we'll see And it's also Martin's call as well My counter argument is If you saw something called Blackboard.net Or canvas.net And you're a Moodle user You probably wouldn't go there looking for resources So that's my point about that And the other thing is Is that are you hoping to repurpose Any of the existing resources On the line And the other one is that So my gut reaction to what you said Is that's very nice But how do I get to the One, how do I get to that good free stuff to download And two, you didn't sort of touch upon the idea And I know it's part of the plan To allow content creators to Using that horrible phrase Monetise some of their effort Yes, so the crowdfunding element The eight different elements Which you'll see if you go to The crowdfunding element The crowdfunding element kind of requires that Everything else is built Because if you want the crowdfunding element I don't know how quickly I can go right back to the start To that landscape This one here, surfacing the collective needs So a bit like the blended learning consortium You put some money in There's a bit of a walled garden And you get to build some stuff The open version of that So someone says, hey, we need a course on this thing You spec it out as a community You raise some money and someone builds it That kind of thing You need the community You need all the tools You need everything there So absolutely, that's correct I've forgotten your first question already What was it? So I don't want to build I don't think we need to build Another repository And base MoodleNet of that Having said that There are Moodle specific resources That maybe don't exist in another repository That we might want to build That's kind of coent thinking You need to have a word with Brian I genuinely thought that was an advert For McDonald's restaurants You don't recognise the MoodleNet? No, perhaps we need the little hat on the corner Okay, fair enough We need some colour on that as well It was just a quick sketch you did Any other questions? I'm looking at the people at the back I'm going to come up there again I know you've talked about linking educators I think it's a really good idea I'd also like to see there's a really nice model here for bridging that gap between the development community that's a Moodle There are people as developers that we follow because they develop good stuff that we use And I'd love to see maintaining that sort of crossover between that And actually making that a lot easier to follow That developer is cool I'm talking about David Smith pretty much Yeah, absolutely I think we need to build this first and foremost for educators But then definitely, as Martin said yesterday We need to make sure that we've got everyone in a similar kind of place We're not artificially separating people That's a really good point Another question over there I love that I'm doing my own running here Moodle HQ The relation between MoodleNet, Moodle.Net and Moodle.org How is it now and how will it be within a year? So we've seen a lot of the rings Especially the bit where there's one ring to rule them all Martin mentioned Moodle.org And maybe folding this into that eventually I think we've got a lot of work to do before we build out the social networking features of MoodleNet To get to the stage where we could do that Moodle.Net, as it currently stands, allows you to share courses And that's based on kind of some I think I might use the wrong words here Deprecated Moodle hub functionality Would that be a fair way of saying that Martin? So Moodle.Net right now is a Moodle site with some plug-ins It was this idea 10 years ago, 7 years ago That didn't, you know, this is the new effort at it, so a new stab That Moodle.Net will go away obviously when this is out Moodle.org forums I anticipate will be sucked into this as well But the Moodle.org will be the open source development community if you like So it's the tracker, the documentation, all the git information All of the plug-ins, that stuff is just .org And .com is all the commercial stuff and the overview of the whole project So I want to call it just Moodle.Net And we should reuse that domain Moodle.Net for the main page of this And I might have to do what my boss says at some point But what I was going to say, it's really useful actually If you've never met me before, it doesn't matter And it doesn't have to be a wonderfully crafted email Just say, hey Doug, have you seen this? I'm really interested in design patterns I'm not talking about even the UI I'm talking about workflows, I'm talking about have you seen this really niche community over here that does this Anything that you think will be interesting and useful for this One of the really valuable things I find from talking to people and just running this by people time and time again Is that it helps me kind of refine what it is that we're doing Sometimes I completely have changed my mind through talking to HQ stuff and the community and stuff So this is only going to be as good as the whole collective effort If it's just coming out of my brain it's going to be very good So we need to make sure we're surfacing all of that collective need And if you've got a very niche use case, don't hide your light under a bushel Come and tell us about it so that we can help and support you We're going to have to start small, we can't build this massive thing I need to build out my team, if you know someone who would be a great technical lead for this We're not necessarily going to build it in PHP So you know, I know it's shocking isn't it? Do let me know, so come and have a beer, have a drink, I'll be here tomorrow And just shoot me an email or find me on a social network that already exists Thank you very much


Hi everyone, Joe for JazzPeaceCaseBreaks.com with a hobby pack of 2022 Panini Mosaic Football. This hobby break or this hobby pack break is where we're going to give away the remaining teams in the Mosaic Choice Break. So Mosaic to fill Mosaic, that's coming up in the next video. But first the pack break itself, big thanks to this group for making it happen. There are the teams right there. Let's roll it. Let's randomize it six and a three, nine times. And dice roll for the giveaway part. One, two, three, four, five, six, and nine. Six and a three, nine times for the teams. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, and nine. Okay, lines down to the chis. Jan, what's going on? How much does a 2019 Panini Prism Silver Kobe Bryant PSA 10 sell for? No idea. But let me drop this link for you. I do use this service called 130point.com slash sales. Click that search for that information and then you should kind of be able to get an idea. All right, so big thanks to this group right here for making it happen. There's the other half right there. Let's just get on with it. Let's advertise by team, print, and rim. No trade windows in these little filler rakes. Oh, nice Kenny Pickett. I got a trail and burks right back here as well. That looks like that might have been a low number. But it's not. The Kenny Pickett Mosaic Parallel. Nice little rookie card here going to Nathan and the Steelers. Not bad. All right, now let's see who's going to win those teams. Let's flip back to the main list. Let's gather everybody's names one through 32. New dice, new list. And it's going to be the top 18. Top 18 after five. Two out of three, five times. Good luck. One, two, three, four, and five. Now apologies to this group here. Steve through Nathan and everyone in between appreciate you giving it a shot. Top 18 though, you've got teams. Jeremy's got a team. So does Nathan, Nathan, Johnny, Scott, Kime, and then Tristan, Steve, and Jeremy, Lucas, Steve Locke, Nathan, Nathan, Nathan, Jeremy, Steve, Nathan, and Lucas up top. So here's how it shakes out for you. And we'll put Moz 13 next to your name so you know that's where you want it. So Lucas, with the ATL, the Dirty Birds, Nathan with Detroit, Steve with New Orleans, Jeremy with Seattle, Nathan, Tennessee, Buffalo, Dallas, Steve with Carolina, Lucas with Cincinnati, Jeremy with Baltimore, Steve with the Chicago Bears, Tristan with Cleveland, this is for you, Kime with Denver, Scott with Houston, Johnny with Indianapolis, Nathan with Arizona and Vegas, and Jeremy with the Rams. Coming up in the next video will be the break itself. Jasper's casebreaks.com. We'll see you for that. Bye-bye.


Let me just tell you in a nutshell why this meeting this morning. Well, the Balkans, I think, all of us are aware of that, is a very sensitive part of Europe, which has been the source of many troubles in the 19th century, the 20th century, and in the new world, in the post-Soviet world, one of the key problems in East Europe is what about the Balkans, what about their integration in Europe, how can they overcome difficulties which go back to centuries behind us. And Serbia and Albania are two major, two key actors in this respect. So I wish to thank very much the two prime ministers who are with us this morning. And the first question I would like to ask each of you is to spell out your divergencies. What are you fundamentally disagreeing on? But before they state that, the remarkable point is that they talk together and the fact that they disagree on some major issues, as we will see, does not make impossible discussion, discussing and cooperating on many other matters. And that in itself is a very positive example of how governance in general in the world should work.