The following is a presentation of TFNN, the Tiger Technician Hour with your host, Basil Chapman. Call now, toll-free at 1-877-927-6648. Hi, folks. I'm going to just see as someone give me a yell as soon as arm starts trading, A-R-M. I think, will that be the symbol? I think it'll be the symbol. No data. We'll see what happens. I love doing this live. Back at the back of the ranch. We're looking at, oh, this is my show. I've done this so many times today. The news and then the show and news and now another show. So let me do this. Okay. The Dow right now is trading up 175. This 200-period moving average is way down here at 33.893. Someone asked me about it. When does it come in? It's not even in the cards. I put this in my charts only because I like to have these techniques that I've used for decades because they are so informative. They are so prescient and they tell me an incredible amount, like the nine-period moving average that held so beautifully in the Dow. I had to use a different indicator to get the sell signal the exact day of the high August the 1st. But this nine-period moving average then eventually went pink and it's still pink. And we've got a technique that I call the chaff wave inside track repellent zone. And that's two parallel lines, very narrow lines within the context sometimes of a falling exclamation that's low highs and much lower lows turning around trying to make a cup formation. How does it break that resistance line? Well, we went above it just a little while ago when I was doing Tommy's show and I said, oh, let's see what happens. Oh, wait a minute. This is a half an hour into the day. The day is young. Anything can happen and the market keeps wanting to buy. You can see these surgeons all for the last two weeks or so. You've had these big balances but they give back a chunk by the end of the day. Day is young. Remember that. So the weekly chart is going to be so important. I'll talk about it tomorrow before I forget. For Jewish Tigers, I want to say Happy New Year coming and well over the Passover, etc. So we'll see what happens in the markets because the expression, as I recall, the expression is usually sell in Russia's Shauna and buy in Yom Kippur. But over the last 10 years, I think it's just, I don't know if it's worked more than once and I think when it did work it was kind of a miss by a couple of days. So all I can say is we're in a sell mode in the Dow at this particular point from the 1st of August and that won't change until we get back to about 35,200. I'll have to inaugurate a new buy signal, maybe even a buy mode, but we haven't got that. The weekly chart is so important to monitor going to Friday's close because Friday, the low today is, let's just go to this, there. The low today is 34,687 and we are some 50 points above that. If for whatever reason we actually close at the low of the day and tomorrow is a lousy day, if we close, there's a chap with a red Roman candle from last week. If we close under 34,291 for two Fridays for two weeks, we're looking at the next low down to the 33,500 level. If we close sharply above yesterday's high of 34,871, that's good.  We're looking to stay in this range for a little while longer and use up time rather than price in this consolidation phase, I've been calling it a consolidation phase. Now what I want to look at is within the context of patents, I don't want to go through everything again other than to just briefly say, S&P right now is up, the 13 has given back quite a chunk of its gain. This is a gray leg B. Look, yeah, is your gray leg B? Why? Because the stochastic didn't hold above 90% and it failed very quickly. And I didn't get a buy signal to buy mode. This is in a buy signal on the short term, the very near term. Overall, it's still in a sell mode, the bigger daily chart. The weekly chart hasn't even given a signal. It's still in a buy mode. It hasn't given a signal of a sell at all. If it closes under 4420 any day from now until a week from Friday, that's starting to hint that this consolidation is going to turn a little bit ugly. QQQ, yes, a demonstration. Now it's only a three cents at 374.25. Didn't even get into the Chapman wave, yes, this falling exformation. It didn't even get into the green or pink on this particular rally. Didn't even get into this. Look, these are easy techniques that I'm just using. Again, I demonstrate them in my webinars. If you're a subscriber, you can check them all out. I just discussed these things over and over. And look, it couldn't even get to the pink line and now it's pulling back. That the weekly chart is still fabulous, all right. And that's because you've got a mix. Look at Amazon. Oops, look at Amazon AMZ. And look at that. This is your leg D. I said three days ago there's a chance that Amazon will still go to a leg D. And there it is. There's your leg D. And it's a leg E over the 143.63 high. Now we've seen it so many times in the market where whether it's days, weeks, or even months and years, prices sometimes come back to within pennies, not just the dollars, but within pennies of the previous, I look at the previous, I was 146.57. Way back in, was it April or May? August of the week of the 19th of 2022, 146.57. Plunges down below 80. And now it's at testing. 146.57 was the high back in August. Here it is, not this August, a year ago. And it tested it once in 143.63. And today's, was it today's high? The high is 145.57. We're in one point away from that previous sign. This beautiful cup formation because he has your cup formation. Now I didn't draw a left side, right side price tie match on this. I didn't, I mean, I didn't draw the vertical line, but I drew this in and it came within a couple of dollars of the left side in the price symmetry, but it's extended a little more in time and it's fascinating. So that's what I'm saying. The reason why, look, Amazon's doing this. Apple is doing that. It had a fantastic move. It got out of its up channel. It broke the 914 when it hasn't gone pink. It's really close to going pink. This is the weekly chart. Let me just open this up a bit. There's your dreaded age. That's the pattern I'm talking about all morning. It just comes once, once the tide has changed. Oh, I took it away. I'm going to get it in right now. So I need, I want to discuss this and I'll do it in a moment. Please don't let me, for someone just remind me, just put tide in the den, put tide so that I can remember. So here's Apple with the dreaded age pattern I spoke about there when I was doing Tommy show a little earlier on. Not acting very well at all, especially with new products coming up. So I want to do this. So I was asked about this and I didn't get there. Dr. H wanted to know. So mRNA. This is Moderna. M. Moderna. M RNA. Come on, type it incorrectly. There it is. Moderna. So the question was, no, it wasn't. It was a statement. I'm looking to buy Moderna as a very long-term buy and hold. And I want to know where it basically was looking at. And I looked at it the other day as both a stock and as an option. I'll talk about that when we get back. And this is the play that I haven't implemented, but I am thinking I might consider it. But I'll talk about it when we get back. Now it's up 139. S&P is up 15. If you're looking for potential trading setups in the stock market, then Rocket Equities and Options Report is a newsletter you should try. Tommy O'Brien delivers options and equity trades when the markets present them using a combination of fundamentals and technicals. 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But this is the pattern, the Eiffel Tower straight up, straight down. I believe now I have to put a down arrow for this 10-minute chart at a peak F because it just flipped to S, which is sell on the, one indicated, the 914. But all the others have already turned down. And this is my biggest fear. One of the reasons why I stepped aside when I said to subscribe, I was thinking of getting three times long on the Dow if we got a pullback and then just raise stops as it was going up and take a little bit off. But it was just too much work and I just didn't trust it. I just couldn't trust it. So I said, I'm going to look at Murna. This is Moderna, Inc., Bightech, COVID, many other trials going on. And I then, someone in the den said, I would never own Murna. Evil stock, in my opinion. Short would be a different story. So it's funny because I have heard different comments people have made about Murna because I'm in the Boston area. I'm in Newton, Massachusetts, the garden city. And Murna is, Moderna is in a suburb about one suburb away, maybe two suburb away, fairly near here. We drove by recently by accident, I didn't know it was there. The most important thing about it is that I don't feel any way about these, about pharmaceuticals or the biotechs, anything. I am alive because of modern medical technology. There is no question about it. I'm alive. I'm happy as a clan. I would like if all the drug prices would come down, et cetera. I'd love that. But what it's done is, all I can say is that if they come out with whatever it is that works, I'm happy as a clan. Other things can go on, but I'm only looking at the chart. I couldn't care less with this chart was a Tory or a conservative, whatever it is, in any different country or any, whatever. I am looking at the chart and I'm going to go through that except a bell rang and it is John in Philly. John, I'm going to go straight to you. We'll come back to Moderna. How are you? Basil, I'm very, very well. And by the way, double thank you for pulling all your triple duty this past week, filling in for hosts who had obligations or vacations scheduled. So thanks a bunch. That's my pleasure. As long as I can do it, I'm around if I can do it. Thank you very much. And you would like to look at? You know, I'm calling to ask you about the bond features or the 30-year bond yield or, you know, Basil, it might be worthwhile just to look at the proxy for both of those and just scrutinize TLT. So I might ask you if you could pull up your TLT on multiple time frames your daily, weekly, monthly. And very specifically, Basil, I've got this question. Now, first I make the observation that, and I'm looking at a TLT chart myself, I see that in October of 2022 and August this year, TLT has made a low about 92. And my question is, as you do your work, do you see the set of conditions by which TLT busts under 92 and does so with wide price spread, accelerated selling? That would be the vocabulary of Tommy O'Brien. And if you do, how much lower or what? Excuse me, what might be your lower target if, in fact, 92 on TLT is busted? And if it is busted, what sort of downside targets you might come up with, please? So that is my question. Frankly, could I just listen off air? Listen off air and watch my charts closely because I cannot do the TLT without doing the TBT, the inversion. I love mirror images and that's what I'll do. So thank you so much for the call and let me get right to it. So the TLT folks is the Lehman 20-year Treasury Bond Fund. They call it the 20-year, but actually they have longer durations as well. But it's called the iShares 20-year Treasury Bond ETF. And right now it's trading down 48 cents at 93.73. So the pattern that I always talk about, markets made up of three core directional patterns as far as I'm concerned, straight line up, straight line down. That's one. Two is a cup formation. But the cup formation could be a V, but you're going from one point down and then back to that point, how you test the level when you're on the return is really important. That's number two. Number three is arch formation could be an inverted V, like we saw in the 10-minute chart, the Eiffel Tower straight up and straight down. But you're going from one point up. Usually that fails at a peak A or B. And if it does that and takes out the left side low, how low can it get? That means you've got a combination of one and two or one and three. One and two on the left here is look straight down, arch over, fail, and come back and retest. Have we got that? We've got it once. We've got it twice, a little one, three times. And the fourth one often is quite big. And that's the one that does the really, this is the, this is the eruption. This is where either you, it's an internal high with a residual low where you've got the earthquake and then you've got the aftershock, which can be bigger, smaller or not at all. And that's really what we're looking at here. So in that context, I'm going to move this aside and show you something else.  If I can find my mouse, there it is.  You come down. And then what do you do? You test the left side high. So you got that lowercase h, red h. We've seen that it often can, if it holds the left side, it can make another h which becomes a lowercase h to a lowercase m. Yeah, you've got the cup going from a cup to a U double U formation as a potential. Right. Get that out of the way. What do we have? We have the monthly chart, the 91.85 October low is right there.  And what do you do? You come back down. And I just need to test what that bell was. Okay, we'll get back there in a moment. Gara, you're waiting. Just hold on, Gara, we'll get to you. So there's the arch formation. And what did it do? It stopped right at 92.23. Not 91.85 but higher. That means so far it's a successful h pattern. It's actually got the h pattern to m right inside there. It looks like a bit of a heart. And now what is happening is there was one single spike, Chapman Wave red, inverted Roman candle. And now with the second week it looks like we're going to close under that. That's a big negative. The weekly chart shows the nine period moving average still pink and very wide. It means to get this pink green again above the 14, you would have to see 120 to at least 99.80 to 120 in the TLT. And that doesn't be possible right now. So that's the weekly chart with very protective. But look at this, the unbalanced volume. I'm going to go through that. It looks like it's oversold. And yes, the day. I'll be back and we'll talk about this. And Gara, if you don't mind holding, I'll be with you as soon as I'm finished this. 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But if you look at the TBT, this is the proof of the pudding that the TBT, the inversion has gone to a peak, a leg B right now underneath the 36.44 peak F high and that just says to me that the ultra short Lehman 20th Treasury Bond ETF is lagging and if you put it together with the TNX.X. Here we go. I typed it on the chart, type it in the little box. Here we go. Dollar, TNX. Let me check. I've got it there. Yep, TNX. There it is. Look, that almost retested the high of 43.33, the 43.33 high back in October of last year, plummeted in yields. This is the 10-year Treasury note. This is the yield down to the 32s and now look what's happened. 43.62 broke out in a peak E and it's saying to me if you look at the weekly chart, this is exactly the area where you would start to see some kind of resistance. So I'm looking at this and I'm saying before we break to the downside on the TLT, before we really break to the upside and the TBT and the 10-year TNX, I think we're very close and I'm watching this really, for instance, the dollar fabulous move up today. It too is getting close to resistance area. So within that context, within that context, what I can say is that I'm watching closely because if there's a TLT close on a weekly basis for two consecutive weeks, if the TLT closes below 89.33, let's call it 89, that's a different thing altogether than that TBT will retest its highs. But so far we're in this area of some support, but those are the levels I'm looking at. Garo, how are you? I'm very good. Thank you, sir. Thank you for taking my call. My pleasure. Yes, we're calling regarding REEK. I would appreciate if you have a look at your charting system to see that how far this may go up and comparing to ERX. Of course, ERX is a directional. I am long on both of them, REEK and ERX, but I have about 2,000, 3,000 shares with REEK. I want to see that. What is your idea regarding REEK and how far it can go? Please. So, okay, let me just do one thing at a time. So REEK is a trans-ocean limited offshore drilling, oil and gas. And I showed earlier on that Slumberger also kind of in that area had a better run to the upside and what I'd said about a month ago is I said, I think REEK is outstanding, but I think there's a lot from the chart. There's a lot of resistance under nine in the 6880 area. And I think that's still the case. So all I can say is looking out, I think this is a digestive phase. So the first thing I have to say is if there is a pullback in REEK and it's trading at 59 right now and at any point in the next week, let's take it all the way Friday a week, if by Friday a week, any day, it doesn't close, it just has to take out eight dollars and eight dollars. If at any point it closes under eight and it's at age 58 right now, it tells me that it's going to go into a sideways consolidation. All the technicals are suggesting that it is still a very strong stock, but I think it's starting to stall a little bit. Now the other thing is, in the very short term, there could be a catalyst that just gets it to trigger a balance to eight, 98, or nine dollars and two cents, just to touch nine. If it touches nine on the very short term, it's then raised the base of support, but absolutely what I would do is, if it gets to anywhere close to nine, I take a little bit off for money management and I just say, okay, now tell me where you're going, why? Because everything I'm looking at here is very positive, but it hasn't used that positivity to break out. And that just says to me, it's digesting the huge gains that it's had. That's what I'm looking at. So I hope that, let me give you the numbers again. A close under eight dollars says it's going to go into a sideways range. It will be within a border and the border could be between 750 and 860 or 880. And it'll be stuck there for a little while. Any break, it doesn't even have to close, but any break towards nine, if it just touches nine, that's a very good action and then I have to consider that it can go a little higher, but that's where I would take something off for money management, but it's active really. There's nothing wrong with it. I'm saying worst case is a consolidation. Best case is a sudden break from here to the upside. I hope that helps you. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. I put that to sell 3,000 shares at 860. I have about one penny, about 860 I'm going to sell them all. That was excellent. There you are, 860. It's going to sell it right now. And would you please have a look at ERX, please? So I have not done a notation on ERX. This is the energy bull two times long. So I'm going to take it from this trough right here in the daily chart and call this A, B, C. There's a peak A. There's peak B. And this almost made a scene. Now normally what I would do is if it's so close, I'd make this a phantom peak. I'd call it a peak C and make it red. And say, I want to be ahead of the game. I don't want to be behind. So it's 7114. This is a different chart. Yeah, all the technicals are positive and the price is moving up. It's fascinating because this is a conglomerate of others. It isn't just one stock. The magnet is good. Stochastic is flat at 87%. Unbalanced one is pulling back a little bit. So here I'm going to say to you, the left side high is just taken out and that's the week of the 17th of February of 70.34. It's already at 71.58. So the next high is going to be 74.79. So that corresponds to what I'm looking at in crude oil where I said the 74th is different things altogether but I'm saying the pattern says the crude oil at 74 is the left side high that would be a target and it's doing well. It's interesting that RIG, for instance, I had the question about slommage earlier on, yet it's stalling a little bit but it did break to the upside but it also has in the weekly chart a cup and ladle that says at some point even if it pulls back it should still go higher. So each one is a little bit different so I'm going to do them differently. RIG has the parameters I just said. It's just kind of stalling, not bad. It's just stalling. ERX is the actual ETF itself. Two times long. It's acting very well. In this case, I would say... Oh, that's a break. Oh, it's just a break. I would say... Time to start. Time to start. Thank you for your timeline. Okay, XLE, ERX, 6880 is your first support level and it's acting very well. Thank you, y'all. 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And it's telling me that the 10-minute chart on the E-mini, as I said before, buying just keeps coming in, this is not bare market, you know, bare market activity, you get the Dow futures down 280 to 350 early in the morning, the S&P is down 48 to 52, and then it tries to rally in fails and closes at the low of the day. Then the next day overnight, the overseas markets get spooked and they tank it, so the next day the S&P opens up horrible, then it tries to rally again, but it closes a second day and that VIX is screaming up into the high teens and then it goes to the 20s. This is completely different, that's what I'm talking about this as a daily, I've had the daily signals, the weekly signals haven't given anything yet, and that's the same thing, look here's the 10-minute chart, it went weak, it did a big pullback, the 45, 47-ish area, right down to the 44th, 29th, and now it's trying its best to just make a, it made the arch formation, now it's trying to make the V-shaped formation. So there is buying and I just need to cover something now, just for my mirror, so sorry Gary if you're still listening, I didn't quite finish, so the support on the XRE, ERX, is at 68.83 for the 9-period expansion moving average and 67.61 for the 14-period moving average, and you can see one is much higher than the other, it's really positive prices above it. So at any point, if you're looking longer term, which you might be, if at any point this starts to close underneath the 66.85, the low of the 11th of September, then all of a sudden that consolidation is going to be working for you, but even the cup formation or rectangle formation in the weekly says, hey, it's still doing quite nicely, so this overall that goes together with XLE, I was asked about that, XLE looks almost the same, and here I can't give any alternative count, this is a CF-C, I'm going to call it a C for now, I might have to change it, but it's acting well, getting a little toppy, but acting very well, and broke out of the falling X formation for a cup pattern, this looks closer to the XRE, and it's going for the left side high, in this case it's broken the one of the 27th, weaker the 27th of January of 91, 93.15, and it seems to be headed towards 94.71, it's at 93.38, and that gives you this cup formation in the monthly chart as well. So far, all of that's acting very nicely, now a couple of things I need to look at is just back to mRNA, so this is the way I would look at it, and I've hesitated with this, you remember there was a story that I was with my wife where she was having her eyes examined, so because she had drops I said, I'll take you in, and I'm sitting there, I've got my computer, it was during the day, I've got my laptop, and I've got my charts open, and this nurse, I don't know who it was, she goes past and she suddenly says, you know, I just got to ask you about that, she said, what are you doing? So I said, oh, this is the stock market, this is the charts, I'm just looking at them and putting in some lines and stuff, so she said, oh, you know, I've never known anything about it, but my boyfriend talked me into buying Moderna, and I'm almost sure it was right here, it was in the summer, it must have been somewhere around 80 or something, and she said, I know nothing about it, I said, oh, really? I said, you know what, hold it, don't do anything, but I never ever got to see her again to say that when it went from the 80s, or maybe it was 110, but it was really low, I forgot to tell her when it hit 49, 497.49, oh, by the way, take it a little bit off, she could still be in it, who knows, you never know, right, I said 110. So this is a stock that has a huge bunch of stories that are going from what I can understand, but as a chart formation, it's starting to form the sideways move that says this is the move that says either it starts to form a base of support or that's going to break like NG, natural gas, look at the space of support, but this is purely sideways within a range stuck in a range, and it could stay there for a long time, which it has, but this is different, here I know that winter's coming, here I know that at some point, there has to be an alleviation of the selling pressure, which means there must be a glut of natural gas somewhere that's just not being utilized. At some point that's going to be diminished and then you're going to start to get a break to the upside, that's different, here is purely gas work, so when I look at a chart, all I can say is, if you want to be long, I would much rather not have the stock, I just know that I'm spending X amount of money which could dissipate and go to nothing, but I know exactly what I can lose rather than hold the stock and see it start, if it starts to look, if this cracks key support and trades under $90 at any point, 95 was a low, here it is at 108, that's not bad percentage wise, but it was in the 400, almost 500 area, so all I'm saying is that, Doc, if you want to get into this and you did mention the option, I would look at the option and I'd go far out, I'd go maybe even December, November or December and I'd look at, I would actually prefer if this is the only thing you're getting, is to go in the money, in other words it's 110, I'd go for the 105s in the money and wait for it to diminish to the point where you're paying maybe three points over the strike, I don't know if that's going to be possible when it's so far out, but I try to get it as close to, and that means that it needs to retest the low that was made in the 103 area, I wouldn't even fuss between a point or two if you're looking at an option that way out, but 105, I'd even prefer 100, go with the thing, and it means that if it has a fantastic move to 140, you're not making as much as you thought, but you're doing really well, but you only have an option, it's much better than being stuck with the stock and it goes under 90, then I don't know what to say, so that's the way I would look at it and the more I think about it, there are so many other things I'd rather buy, a call option and looking out, and that's how I would look at it, so I hope that helps you, meantime I wanted to go through some other things as we were about to wrap up this section, so here we go, the dollar, DXY doing very nicely, oh the high of the day and my work 105.30, look at the EUR and the EUR, the dollar chart, I don't see anything here that says, and unless it's just a plummet like we saw in, what was it? AXM, oh Axom, unless we're looking at something that plummeted at a leg F and then just smashed, I don't see that right here, I just see just steady moves up, up, up, up, not up and away, but just up, up, up, and now look at the EUR, EUR is taking out in the GC, remember I said, for those of you who use Chapman methodology, when you get to a G, check carefully to see if it's not a GCSC and it's either going to make a cup formation to the downside, an arch formation to the downside or a cup formation to the upside, there it is, there's the G that we would have anticipated, not good and it's broken, that uptrend line, look at this chapter of inside track and channel and it's way under the second week now, oh this is not good, let me do the EUR as DJ PY as we go to the break, yeah just stuck. You might think that if you want to be successful at trading in the stock market, you're going to need a crystal ball, after all it's impossible to predict the future, right? 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I used that as the full curve. That is the midpoint, the plum line. But when you're looking at the left side, you don't have to look at your plum line might move. So I chose this is a plum line and look what happened. It goes green and it goes green. It takes out that high that went to and look at this chapwave inside where it's target resistance line. I love to keep these lines and just let them float to the upside. So it floats to the upside. Where does it coincide? Right there, right at that exact moment, right there at 1052. 1052 goes to 45, 47.50. What was the high on the left side? 45, 47.75.  It's amazing how the symmetry of the market works. But it would be great if it had plum lines in the middle that we just perfect. Sometimes it isn't perfect. You have to choose. You have to know which one you're going to use. Now what we've done is the V-shaped pattern in the 10-minute chart. Look at that. I said the arch might go to a V-shaped pattern. And here we are, retesting that left side high. And that's what I meant. Then I said, buying just keeps coming in. But at the end of the day, we'll see whether or not you get the selling. This is one of the reasons why I wanted to choose for a position we just took a few days ago, something I've looked at for ages. I chose something that I've really liked. I disagree completely with the premise of the company, not the point. The point is the chart is the chart. And we got in and then we waited for a little bit of a pullback. And it gave us an extra point so that we could have a core position. And we've added to that. And now the ad can be the trading position, hopefully. And we've got our core position. I'd love to do that. And we'll see if it's going to work. So far as working with the day is y'all. See what happens. Have a wonderful rest of the day. Check out my platform. They will use that in the case of pretty nice things going on there. And I will see you tomorrow. Thank you for great work.


Welcome to ITU Telecom World 2016 Bangkok, Thailand. I'm very pleased to be joined this morning by David Harmon who is VP for Huawei Global Government Affairs. David, thanks so much indeed for being with us today. It's great to be here. Now, I'd like to start off by talking about broadband. It's a subject that's very close to ITU's heart. What is the most important factor in advancing broadband deployment in your opinion? Well, the fact of the matter is that last year the United Nations disclosed the figure that there are still 4.5 billion people in the world that do not have access to broadband. And when you think that there are 7 billion people living in the world, this is just simply an unacceptable figure. Because access to broadband is now a key aspect to economic planning for governments around the world. So in fact, access to broadband is as important as access to utilities, access to water, access to electricity. So in fact it's incumbent on us all, Huawei Technologies is part of this process, but this includes representatives from the educational research and governments around the world to bring forward initiatives to help bridge this digital divide, a digital divide that exists in all countries in the world but sadly one that exists in some countries more than others. And what about the government's role in this? What should government's priority be and what's Huawei's priority in this? Well, if you look at findings from different multilateral bodies, whether it's the ITU itself or the World Bank, International Monetary Fund, the OECD, all of these bodies have brought forward findings that demonstrate clearly that governments that invest in information communications technology, governments that invest in ICT can deliver stronger economic returns from that investment. In fact, if there's a 10% increase in penetration levels for broadband access, a country's GDP can grow by up to 1%. So ICT is now part of the economic process. It's not just an isolated policy, it's a policy that is intrinsic and an integral part of the development of key economic sectors in the country, whether in the field of transport, whether in the field of energy, whether in the field of health, whether in the field of education, of the provision of social services. And what about Huawei's position on this? Well, Huawei, as a company, we are a global leader in the field of wireless technology. So for example, wireless technology has a key role to play in helping to bridge this digital divide and in helping to bring forward these new services that can serve the needs of society, particularly in areas where copper lines may be traditionally weak. So in fact, the ITU Congress is being held here in 2016. There are 10 billion connections in the world today. In 2025, there will be 100 billion connections in the world. And in fact, of those 100 billion connections, only 10% will be person to person. So the mechanics of industry are going to be connected to the internet. Today, 99% of all sensors that are connected to manufacturing are not connected to the internet, but that's going to change. So Huawei is already forming partnerships with key individual companies and key vertical industries from the transport, from the energy, from the power, smart city, safe city, financial services and media sectors, so that we're going to develop new ICT solutions for these vertical industries as these changes take place. And it's not just about a multiplicity of connections. It's also to do with the speed of these connections because we are on the verge of entering the 5G era. So for example, if you're driving a car at 120 kilometers an hour with a 4G capability and you seek to stop, it'll still take 40 milliseconds to stop, that's a couple of meters with a 5G capability that'll take place in one millisecond. So with 5G, 1,000 devices can be connected in 100 square meter radius. So 5G is going to have a very far reaching effect for the transformation of how key industries carry out their activities and indeed feed into government planning and the tackling of key broader societal challenges. And what's next for Huawei in the region? With regard to this region here, well, of course, firstly, Huawei as a company, last year we invested 15% of our revenues into basic research and science. We employ 79,000 researchers and through the work of our researchers and scientists and through the international collaborations that they have that we are now devising new solutions, products and processes. So Huawei has three key businesses. One is supporting telecom companies around the world where we provide technology solutions to key telecom companies. In fact, 500 key telecom companies. So of course, we want to invest more and more into the era of 5G so that we can provide, we can ensure the transmission of information and new services can take place in a speedier, in a more secure and more cost effective manner. Equally, we're going to sell a minimum of 140 million handsets from our consumer division globally. And we have a growing enterprise division where we're providing technology solutions to governments and to industry alike. And finally, I'd just like to ask you, in terms of this event, ITU Telecom World 2016, you've certainly invested quite a bit of money in time, I know, in being here. What's the value of attending events such as this? The ITU is a key body that sets international standards for evolving technologies. Setting standards is putting in place the rules of engagement for companies that are involved in the field of mobile communications. So Huawei is a company, in fact, we hold a variety of positions in over, we hold over 300 positions in standard organisations around the world, and the ITU is a leading light in that context. So it's very important that we have a presence here, and Huawei's company hold key positions on a variety of committees within the ITU, and we hope that's the case for a number of years to come. Thank you very much, and you've been with us in the studio today, and wish you the very best of luck for the future. Thanks very much.


Garrett Cole is on the mound for the ninth inning through eight innings strong 112 pitches But he's licking his lips ready to throw some more and finish this out in Booney He's a little nervous because he's taken a bit of a gamble here But I'll do they know how to they gets on first pitch. It was an off-speed pitch now You got a man on first base and boonies ago. Oh, the pen is short Chapman's getting warmed up But he's been really bad lately need a quick out here first pitch fastball now It's 1-1 99 on the black to 90 in the almost like the same spot to same pitches Different speeds then goes 99 fastball to 85 slider. He's like, huh, okay I guess we're in a battle here and boonies jaw starts going even faster now as he gets tense 99 foul ball boon is like, oh my god. This is not good We got to get Chapman warming up for the next lefty and Garrett Cole says You're right. Okay, I'll throw a pickoff. I was pretty in the heat of the battle here But you're right. We should keep him at bay at first base the 2-2 pitch. Oh, oh misses his spot the ump is all Zoned in for the 3-2 which gets fouled back and then 99 in the zone putting playing out an out Then strike one. I was just no, I don't want to throw that.  He says yeah, okay fastball fastball and Fastball strike three screaming on the mound Complete game shut out for Garrett Cole's first time back to Houston First really good outing without using the sticky stuff him and Higgy share some laughs Voits all fired up and boonie says all right good call. You got me on that one


Take a look at this. I saw when I was looking up this thing. I Saw this and I was surprised to see it but an exclusive interview with Gene Kelly Take a look and that's his picture right there. Awesome. And Gene Kelly if for those of you that don't know He was one of the Great actors from I guess the Golden Age right 19 I don't know if he came was around 1940s, but he must have been in 1940s because this came out 1950, right? So I don't know if it was around 1930s, but it was around 1940s 50s 60s as well I believe and I've seen a few movies with Gene Kelly and he's fantastic And again, this has come up a couple of times now if you've never seen black and white movies the Golden Age Movies from that period for sure take the time to watch some of those movies from the 1930s 40s and 50s Okay, there there are some brilliant stories brilliant films being told and this is supposed to be a two-page interview Let's read some of this. Let's read some of this. Okay Exclusive interview with Gene Kelly must be done Question in your opinion, who is the most beautiful girl in Hollywood? Answer from Gene Kelly. The most beautiful girl in the whole world is Esther Williams. Wow. Wow. Wow. And that in Corporates Visijonomy Incorporates visijonomy figure expression and charm. These are where it's Faisal Incorporates visijonomy. I don't know. These are words that are lost to me Esther looks wholesome and dewy and in my opinion represents the typical American beauty That's cool. Of what personal habit are you trying to break yourself? Answer. I'm trying to make myself go to bed earlier at night, but it looks like a hopeless task Question, how do you feel when doing love scenes? Answer They aren't so different from any other deeply emotional scene you go through There's no personal feeling Involved at all. The only thing that bothers me is worrying about smearing the girl's makeup Are you an icebox raider? means Answer but the champions of the world but the champion of the world I make that would like look like a Like an amateur say I wonder if it could could be those pickle cheese liver worst Peanut butter sandwiches that keep me fall from falling asleep at night Icebox raider that probably means Going to the fridge at night and having midnight munchies or middle of the night munchies. That's what it is cool Are you are you a born dancer and Jean Kelly was an amazing dancer amazing dancer? Okay, I wish I were wow. He wasn't I wish I were then I wouldn't have cost my parents so much money For dancing lessons when I was a youngster I guess I was born with a certain talent for it because I started dancing when I was so young I don't even remember but I worked a good number of years to become a dancer and I do mean worked This is exactly what Richard Feynman has said in interviews and in writings and Richard Feynman is one of the Best-known physicists from the United States, right where he said he's never met a genius or Savant or anything Talent comes with hard work and Jean Kelly looks like he did a lot of hard work to dance, right? What is your favorite type of social dancing you'll be disappointed answer You'll be disappointed, but but here it is the good old-fashioned waltz Wow It's not spectacular and it doesn't require great ability Like the rumba or samba for instance, but I think it's the most Lyrical of all popular dancing steps awesome Do you wish you were?  I have a jewel average pan, and that's the kind of guy I like to play on the screen Do you like? Screwy hats on women. No Don't say any man What was your first professional appearance answer from Jean Kelly? Playing a nightclub engagement in Pittsburgh when I was when I went to college there I had to earn some money to see me through school after I'd taken turns at concert mixing and carpentry the bright idea flashed through my head that I might as Well put to practical use all the dancing lessons I had I'd had How did you propose to your wife? This is awesome Answer I got a contract to make pictures in Hollywood and realized I didn't want to go without Betsy, so I called her from Philadelphia where I was staging a show. She was then in New York and popped the $64 question. Of course, don't think she wasn't expecting me to do it These women are always ahead of a guy What is the unkindest remark you have heard about yourself? Answer a calmness once lied about me over the radio and said I had left my wife and child. Wow I wonder if Jean Kelly Stayed with his wife with what's her name? Betsy Do you talk to yourself when you're alone?  I always think of some snappy or brilliant remark, which I wish I'd said but didn't Very cool. I like Jean Kelly even more now really Let's keep on reading this What is What is the chief bone of contention at home? Okay The only one I can think of is that I never eat vegetables and Betsy is always trying to make me eat them And question in what way do you give into Betsy? Answer I eat them What performance of yours on the screen gave you the greatest thrill? Oh man, I can't wait Answer doing the shadow dance with myself in cover cover girl. Oh my god No one will ever know how difficult it was Every technician on the set said it couldn't be done and I sweated plenty to prove they were wrong I had to go to the head of the studio to get permission to do that bit in the dance Where I threw a garbage can through a large pain of window glass Because he thought it was too dangerous to attempt I had to stand only about 10 feet from the glass and he was afraid the shattering glass would hurt me I wanted Very much to do that dance Just as I had planned it and the greatest thrill of my life was completing it successfully I am going to go find download this music Shadow dance or get it from the library or rent it from somewhere and watch it I remember this scene when I was many moons ago when I was a kid watching this right? I'm not the soul but it was a period Where I was really into black and white movies and a lot of dance movies and stuff There's a scene I can't remember who's Jean Kelly or who it is that does the dancing in the rain And stuff and I remember this one as well and I'm going to try to track this down. Okay for sure for sure What is your greatest? extravagance Buying everything in town at Christmas without figuring out where I have Any particular person in mind to whom I can give it Oops, not usually any guys dance Right this one. We just read that one. Let's read the next one Whom would you most like to resemble answer at the age of 10? I wanted to look like my hero Douglas Fairbanks. Awesome Douglas Fairbanks Fairbanks senior, but I'm afraid The die is cast and it's too late for me to look like anyone but myself Who was your very first love?  Ah, that is awesome That is awesome What don't you like about yourself on the screen? I could write a book on the subject I literally turn green when I see myself do certain things For example, I like to get rid of my New York twig. I guess that's that accent maybe I know what swat is. I don't know what twig is What is your favorite food? Steak first of all and I've got a sweet tooth that's never satisfied. I can eat candy bars till dawn I can relate to that. I can relate to that What is your idea of a good time? Going away to a mountain retreat Having some people and books around and plenty of time to love What in general is your philosophy of life? Do unto others that you would have them do unto you. That rule covers a multitude of actions And remember, this is the golden rule, right? We've talked about this when we did the sort of a review or talking about skin in the game by Nassin Talib, right? So he's quoting the golden rule. Do unto others that you would have them do unto you For me, I like the silver rule better. I think it's more powerful what we talked about and the silver rule is Don't do unto others what you do not want done unto you, right? That way you're remaining passive. When you do things to others that you want done unto you You're being intrusive to a certain degree, right? What do you wish you didn't have to do? Answer, shave. I think it would be heaven to go without shaving for weeks. Awesome Jean Kelly You could have done it now back then. I guess Beards were not in and they weren't actually there's a movie out there where I forget who the actor is. He's a comedian actor, but he played some serious roles as well and he worked in a bank, I believe And on his vacation, he grew a beard. I forget what the movie's called. Wow, if you guys know, please post the comment He grew a beard on vacation and he came back and he wouldn't shave it off and everyone was looking at him on Waco There was a huge controversy Again What is your favorite costume around the house? answer t-shirt slacks and macaucons the The nice part about not being a great Lover type is that one doesn't have to live up to a reputation I can knock about in old clothes without anyone being disillusioned awesome Do you like to play Parlor games? I should say I do. Games are lots more fun for adults than for children Indications or charades is my Indications, I don't know that game or charades is my favorite What was your most embarrassing moment? answer In a high school version of Midsummer's night's dream as a Shakespeare play, right? I played bottom and while doing a little dance I heard the Chockel goes through the audience. My pants had fallen down.  Jeannie and Sweeney Nice, Jean Kelly Jeannie And Betsy Sweeney the first because it's a affectionate form of Jean I call her Sweeney for no other reason than that it rhymes What compliment meant most to you answer When Fred Astaire told me I was a great dancer Wow, wow, wow And Fred Astaire is one of the other Amazing actors from that period and considered to be Basically by almost everyone that I know of the greatest dancer In film, right with Jean Kelly a close second. Okay What is your personal recipe? For making friends and influencing people Okay Answer I don't know. I never thought about it. Maybe that's it. I just like people and show it Awesome This Was amazing interview with Jean Kelly right interview with Jean Kelly an exclusive interview with Jean Kelly From a 1950 Romance comics Called life story issue number 13 Okay, that also contains art by Wallace Allen Wally wood one of the greatest Comic book artists of all times in the same comic book From the golden age as one of the greatest Hollywood movie dancers of all time That is bliss Tastic


Okay, first of all, let me share on the Zoom chat room, the link to the collaborative notes. As a reminder, these notes will be published to GitHub. They can still be updated, but they won't be the same collaborative. Let me show my screen on the notes. And let's get started. Can you see my screen and can you read it? Yes. Okay, let's get started. So welcome everyone to the Jenkins Infrastructure Weekly team meeting. We are the 18th of January, 2022. So Mark, Stefan, Hervé and I are present today. Let's start with an announcement, if any. Last week, the security release that happened last week during the Wednesday. So the day after previous team meeting, everything went very well on the open source. So for the rest, I don't know. We were able to release in the timestamp LTS, one LTS, one weekly, and more than 20 plugins. So thanks everyone involved in that process directly and directly. Thanks for the support. That was quite a success. Even though just for later, a reminder is that we add a weekly that was triggered the day before accidentally, because we all have been bitten by the fact that weekly are triggered automatically each week. And if we disable a job on the UI, the automatic system might override that part. We need to find a solution. There is an issue on the Jenkins-Safari this process for that. So next time we should have a solution. So anyone with ideas and ready to implement, let's go for that. We can speak about that later, but that's a reminder. Next time we have to be careful on that part. It's not enough to disable the job. We are multiple culprits, so no problem. No one has to apologize. The security team is aware of that. They know that there isn't someone that messed up. It's just the team has been bitten that things happen. So let's improve together. There is a weekly that should happen today. I haven't checked the status yet. It might break because I've merged with the help of team yesterday, fundamental changes on the pipeline that run this release and packaging. And there might be, let's say, punctual weekly between today and next week. They might have some weekly because if we see too much rate or too much changes, we want to trigger intermediate weekly to validate the new process changes that might have been introduced in the meantime. Are there other announcements? Okay, before we go, I need someone to drive the meeting next week because I should be in day off. So I won't be able to run and prepare the meeting. Who's going to volunteer for that? We can share the burden between multiple persons. We'll flip a coin later. I can do that. Yeah. Thanks. Okay, is there other announcement? Someone has something to say about announcement. Okay, let's proceed. First, a few minor subject that we delayed during the past week because of all the activity. Repocijenkins.org have a certificate that was expected to be valid until March this year. Thanks a lot, Kosuki, for dealing with GFrog. It took time to generate the required elements and send a new certificate with its key encrypted to GFrog. They updated successfully immediately. So everything went well, no service outage. And now the new certificate is in place on Repocijenkins.org. So thanks, Kosuki. We've had it on the team calendar which is brand new, less than one year old. We have added an event three months before the end of next certificates so someone else will be able to take over. And the event on the calendar has the link to the Google group with instruction. So the next person in charge of that will be able to find the history and know how to do that and what we should provide to GFrog support next time. So thanks again for everyone involved in that part. Mark, Kosuki, and Olivier, I think. Next topic is Netlify. So thanks, Gavin. Gavin worked during the past week and during the Christmas holidays, at least in the European and American area. Integration and partnership started with Netlify. We have an open source account and we are able to provide a website preview for genkins.io, plugins genkins.io and I think a third one. Any of our static websites. So we used Netlify before for status. We still need to migrate status to this new. But that allows us to provide on each pull request automatically, Netlify generate the website and add a link directly into the pull request. So the author or reviewer of a pull request can click and see what the website will look like if that pull request will be merged which is really a nice improvement. So Damien, you said that we still need to migrate status.genkins.io to the open source account. Did I get that correct? Okay, thank you. Don't think there is an issue. So we have to write one. Status.genkins.io was already hosted on Netlify in production and running the preview sites, the native one, Netlify. But it was under Olivier accounts. And now that we have negotiated an open source account with multiple administrators, well, before that we were only able to use one admin. Migrating the website to the multi administrator will make sense and will avoid any bad surprise to Olivier bank account if we start having someone with a status.genkins.io. Okay, just to note, gave indeed a hard work on providing safe mechanism to ensure that this deployment preview happens and everything is run from infra-ci. So he took care of using the native GitHub deployment object which provides the advanced check that maps to deployments that allows to say that commit is deployed at that place if you add commit on the prerequisite of new deployment, et cetera. And also the website is not built by Netlify. The website is built by infra-ci and there is a specific set of actions, libraries, pipeline libraries I don't know the details of implementation but this element ensure that the website is pushed by a Netlify command line directly to Netlify. The reason behind that is we are limited in amount of minutes of build on Netlify CI. We have a lot of free but given the high activity on these websites in terms of contribution we will completely burn these free credits. Instead, if I understand correctly given implemented something that we build on our own machine that we pay for and we use the Netlify preview that provide unlimited preview for free. He worked hard on the safety of that system meaning for instance on Jenkins.io an external contributor will see a CI build that will take care of building the website on CI Jenkins.io. So you have a feedback as contributor that is available publicly and in parallel infra-ci also trigger a build only for the deployment part so it build a copy of the site on its own and deploy it and then commit back add the commands to the pull request. So Damian just to be sure I've understood so there is now an infra.ci component for the www.jenkins.io site that really wasn't there or it's a new component that was not there before specifically in doing these deployments so they're not we don't have the credentials for Netlify deployments in ci.jenkins.io he successfully avoided putting those relatively sensitive credentials in there. Exactly. Okay, excellent. Thank you. So I will though it has impact on infra-ci I will talk about that on a subsequent task on the task list today but yes, that's the idea so Gavin and Tim did a really huge work on that part so that's really nice and the improvement for the contributor is huge. Are there any questions about Netlify? Okay. Quick one, rating Jenkins.io so it was reported a few weeks ago that there were some Apache tokens appearing on the page on different services including rating Jenkins.io so Hervé started the work and then finished it with the holidays so now we can say that rating Jenkins.io is not publishing you don't know if it's Apache directly by the web page or headers you don't have the version and you don't know the operating system it's a minor thing but still applied and it was a good opportunity to automate thanks to Hervé's work of all the docker images are now automatically built or rebuilt now we took the opportunity to add automating update people requests for production deployment so each time you have a new version of the image for rating now in the next day you will have a pull request open that say there is a new version of the container would you want to deploy it? That one was missing. Good job. Okay. There isn't any question we can move to digital ocean oh by the way rating Jenkins.io I'm almost sure there is an issue the idea will be to migrate that service on Kubernetes because it's running on a standalone virtual machine right now which makes low value so that could be a nice topic for Hervé or Stefan in the coming month it's just there is no priority on that but that's something to have in mind Next topic digital ocean Hervé Mike is yours Yes, so I started I tried digital ocean the telephone provider and started to experiment with it I will use it to create a new cluster on it and we will use it as a complementary agent for CI at Jenkins.io we intend to run this as an experiment for three months to see the easy associated cost and the other alternatives part two could be to add a new agent as digital ocean VM it's not started yet we could do it do these two parts simultaneously or one after the other it's not decided yet So as a reminder speaking here on Kubernetes are not directly related to the cost of infrastructure it's only human and technical costs because we have to change all the time, all the images to not use Kubernetes pattern but use what the Jenkins Kubernetes agent plugin expects from the way you use it so single container pod because there are issues in the implementation etc there are public issues but that cost us some effort that we that gave in publicly question for good reasons because if we have to build all in one images that take almost the same amount of time to get started than a virtual machine then maybe getting virtual machine could be better they will be on private isolated kernels they will allow us to not fear running Docker on these agents compared to pods we have a bunch of virtual machine provider everywhere it's just that we need one plugin for each cloud provider on Jenkins compared to Kubernetes that's one single plugin right but that Docker and Docker thing is or being able to run Docker on a virtual machine seems attractive to me yes so that's a balance good answer but gave in us for good reason that I think is right even if it frustrated me on the because we were working on Kubernetes in some times the reality is we have to question that or or improve the Jenkins Kubernetes plugin as a community because there are a lot of users that start complaining about these weaknesses so yeah that's time to question it or to question the first users we are a kind of quality before it's widely adopted and right now what we are suffering for sure we are not only to use that plugin so that's really something to push to the let's say cloud native relative subject maybe to other part of the community I'm not sure where will be the good start on that part because I think there some help is needed to improve that plugin thanks Hervé as a reminder that's part of the partnership with digital ocean we have limited credits on that area and we will have to write down a blog post once we will have started after one month of operation that should be a good start we can co-author the thing but they asked us to do this and we might want to put some logo somewhere but don't worry gave in will fuck us when needed one of the goals here is that if we start using that credits and it works very well and digital ocean is happy after one two months we will be able to negotiate with them if we need more so that's a great way to decrease our cost and the blog post is on how we use it yes exactly okay the goal for digital ocean is to have users that are not part of the websites telling them hey digital ocean is a nice platform because and it's also a way for them to get feedbacks, honest feedbacks on real life use cases it's completely fair yes especially they give us for free missions I mean yeah I mean that's fair that's fair we try and we say is there any other question or points about digital ocean topic just that the Jenkins at iosite does not yet have their logo on it and we may want to change the layout to admit that there are now different tiers of sponsors right now they're all a bunch of sponsors are listed as free and open source licensing programs where in fact their sponsorship many of them isn't about licensing it's about capacity Netlify and so we've got we've got some wording improvements to do on the Jenkins.io site good point so we have to keep that in mind thanks Mark next topic Stefan do you feel to present it yourself or do you want me to give a summary I'm sure you will do a better job I'm not sure okay Stefan is working as his first major task on the infrastructure to build all the docker images that we have on CI Jenkins.io into into a single image that will have exactly the same tooling as the virtual machine templates as a reminder the goal is developer shouldn't care whether they run their workload on CI Jenkins.io on a virtual machine or a container which means container will need to have the free GDKs the same version of GitHub and all the tooling except for the docker engine running for all the rest it's totally possible to have that one big images that will follow the principle we saw about Kubernetes and so the work of Stefan is to use Packer to build these docker images to have the same scripts that we use for virtual machines and the consequence will be we should drop the docker inbound agents repository that builds with docker file we should not need that one on Jenkins.io reminder only Jenkins.io right now the work is almost finished for being able to build the docker image so Stefan did all the heavy lifting behind next step will be deploying these images and we can start using it and we have delayed the work for the windows containers because multiple issues and the goal was to deliver as quick as possible already the Linux because it has value and then we can delay on windows so Damian for clarity then these it's a Packer image that's constructing a docker container or is it a Packer image that's constructing a virtual machine both both I see okay thank you Packer builds all the combination it say at the same times it build an Ubuntu image on Amazon for virtual machines on Azure for virtual machines local docker engine for docker images and install docker in the virtual machine so if there is no other question next topic about release process on the past weeks between the security release and the Kubernetes issues there were some changes required and some changes to start discussing about the release process for Jenkins the one we run on weeklies on LTS first one we have merges today the one release per pod not one container per pod for the the whole release process we already did before security release the Linux packaging section now it's also released so we'll prove that it worked today I've personally delayed the windows packaging process because see next one of the next we have the Next Week the goal is to just to apply the Kubernetes Jenkins plugin recommended practices and avoid the time you during releases there is upcoming modernization of the contents so at least using the GDK 11 to compile the final war and release Jenkins with that version of Java and finally Windows packaging So right now, to generate the Jenkins MSI from the Jenkins work, it's only a one-step packaging. We are downloading 15 gigabytes of Docker image on the Windows Server Docker container system. That's half of the time spent on a release, which both the security people and usual release people are not really happy about this. That means we should be able to decrease twice the time for release if we can solve that issue. Because for sure, we don't need the whole 15 gigabytes. So we have to work on that part. There are different paths, installing on-need, the required tools, et cetera, but there is some work to be done here, for sure. About that, thanks, Basil Crow started on the Jenkins CI packaging. That's the Jenkins CI repository that hosts the make file that define all from a Jenkins work file. You can build a Debian package, a SUSE package, a Red Hat package, or the MSI package. That logic is not on Jenkins Infra, which means the Jenkins Infra release and the Docker images we are building on Infra are only to reproduce that process. But that process should be tested already on CI Jenkins IO before. So Basil did a really huge work, and I think it's not finished yet, but there are much steps. But the goal is that we should have at least once per day a full build of a war that should validate that we can run. And I wonder, that's a personal proposal. If we shouldn't move all the dependency logic that say you need the tools to build the RPM, you need the tool to build Debian package, you need the Wix tool set to build MSI, all this logic should be available to developer on that repository. And our work on a release and Docker packaging should be only specific to our release process, meaning GPGA agent, inbound agent, but only tool specific to the Infra. That should help the developer experience to avoid the egg and chicken problem like we have today, which make the documentation hard to write. So let's get tuned on that subject. Finally, there is a subject I will want to start. We won't discuss it now. I think I propose a discussion topic on this course that will be stop using branches on the release repository. The goal will be one branch, one pipeline, one set of pod or agent definition. And then each Jenkins line, that are multi-branch and that's not the topic, each line will be one file or set of parameters. That change would have impact on the release process and the security procedures and the way we build and release Jenkins. So that's why discussion is needed before acting because there might be some consequences that we haven't foreseen. So that's why I prefer asking the question before discussing and see. But the value of that will be, we wouldn't have to transplant and cherry pick each change to hold stable. I will only have one process that we can run regularly and be confident with. So the safety check I think we need there is we need to understand one of the security teams strong requests that we do not have is the ability to, I believe it's stage or package a release in a staged fashion. So we can't generate a DEB file or an RPM or an MSI that isn't published immediately invisible. Do I understand that correctly? Yes, that's also one of the high value of this. It's the ones we have simplified that process. It will be an enabler for being able to stage release before the real release date. Got it, right. And so today the tooling does know how to stage the Jenkins war file before release but it can't do the packaging. And that creates this critical path, long lead time thing of building the Docker images takes a long time, building the MSI, building, et cetera. Okay, thanks Damien. Okay. One last important topic is that it's been, so the 13 of January yesterday and today we saw G frog repo.jenkins-ciog download slowness. There is an issue that has been open on our new L desk by end user. The consequence for end user is that every builds of Jenkins plugin that require an artifact from repo.jenkins-ciog is terribly slow, like less than five kilobytes per second in download when you are lucky. Let me find the issue. I love it, I love it. Okay, thanks. So we have asked G frog support for feedbacks to them. Sometimes they ask us for more details because I think they are running blind with our initial requests. So I haven't hired worked on an answer earlier today. So we gave them proof, we gave them reproducibility and we gave them the metric because not only the download that's slow on CI Jenkins-ciog, it fails the builds because we reached a one hour time out for builds that should take five or 10 minutes. It's easily reproducible on a local machine. When you start to see these errors, you run a Maven clean compile on your machine after cleaning up your local Maven artifact repo and it tried to download. We were able to reproduce on a bunch of different ISPs. So that's not a problem specific to CI Jenkins-ciog. We gave them metrics. There is a ping on point that our major duty is monitoring. And the response time is between six and eight seconds when that don't slow download happen. So there's something on the infrastructure. I think that's Jesse Glick that asked the question to let's say leverage the impact of this at least on the CI Jenkins-ciog area will be to think again about a service that will be an artifact caching system on our build system that could be used. So that will be, let's say it was, if I understand correctly, it was kind of engine exproxy. We have to configure our builds to use it. And if you use it, then that system act as a man in the middle. If it has the local cache file, then it serve it locally which is quite performance. And if it doesn't, then it ask it directly to GFrog system. So at least when that kind of incident happen which is not that frequent but still annoying at least the builds on CI Jenkins-ciog wouldn't be that slow unless you had a new dependency of course. So let's wait for GFrog and depending on their answer or their ability to solve or not solve the issue, then we can start a topic on that area or not. Are there any other question on that topic? So we have reached the 30 minutes of the meeting. So I propose that we delay the other subject to next week. Ah, yeah, because you're not here. Don't worry, you will have plenty of work.  Are there any other question or important topic to treat before we stop that we could have forgotten? Just that we've got to be sure we do the safety checks for the weekly release that you mentioned earlier. So there were changes in the release, in the scripts, right? And so detailed checks, I'll start those here shortly. I've got a release checklist that I run for weeklies to see that they're healthy. Okay. If it's okay, let's do this, the two of us, unless someone is interested. Or at least they will be available if you have, if you see anything on this check that we can fix and iterate. Yeah, I was just going to raise the questions in the Jenkins Release IRC channel and we can talk there as a way to discuss it. Is that okay, Damien, or would you prefer to care? That's okay. No, that's okay. Let's start the discussion and by default, if no one is available, happy to pair. Great. All right. Okay, I think that's all for today. Thank you. Thanks everyone. Thank you very much. Have a good update.